Toxic Man Hating 10⧸10 ＂Goddess＂ EXPLOITS Men？! (KICKED OFF) Andrew Wilson DESTROYS Misandrist？! ｜ Dating Talk #184
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we're joined by stand-up comedian and tech vet Andrew Wilson. We talk about what it's like to be a standup comedian, how he got into tech, and why he doesn't have a job.
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expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said,
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without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell
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us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, I'm Courtney. I'm 34, and I work
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at an emergency animal hospital. All right. And you're also a stand-up comedian. Is that
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correct? Yes, I do stand-up. Okay. How long have you been doing stand-up for? Like five years.
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All right. And you said you're an emergency vet tech, is that? I'm not a vet tech. Oh, you work
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at the... I do reception. Reception. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. And where are you from originally?
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Toledo, Ohio. Okay. How long have you been in Santa Barbara for? About three years or so.
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All right. Cool. Welcome. Yeah. My name is Lucy. I am 26. I'll be 27 in 16 days. And I live
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in Phoenix, Arizona currently. I'm a bartender, and then I do financial domination on the side.
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And you're from where again? Sorry. I'm originally from Wilmington, Delaware. Okay. And you do...
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What is financial domination? Yeah. Findom? Yeah. It's basically power exchange through money.
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It's part of the BDSM community. So it's like a kink. And how do you find your clients? Do you have...
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I have Twitter. I have loyal fans. Instagram. I don't really use Reddit.
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Loyal fans? Yeah. It's like only fans, but different. Yeah.
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So I'm still confused. What is it now? What do you do? So I basically, I play into certain
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kinks for men, and they give me money for it. Sometimes it's just the kink of financial
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domination, which they get off to giving me money. Yeah, but I'm still confused what financial
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domination itself is. What is that? I just said it's when men get off to giving me money.
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Oh, okay. Gotcha. What is your Twitter username? I'm just curious.
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I wouldn't bring it up, though. There's some not safe to work content on there.
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Yeah, we're not going to follow that up. Okay, cool.
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Hi, my name is Rihanna, and I'm 27 years old. I am from Thousand Oaks, California, about an
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hour away here from Santa Barbara. And I'm a poet, author, novelist, and business owner.
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27. Okay. Sorry, your Twitter, it's with a F-O-R or four?
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Hi, I'm Enya. I'm 18 years old, and I'm from Austria.
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Yeah. All right. What brings you to Santa Barbara?
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Okay. And how long are you in Santa Barbara for?
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How long will you be... So you arrived two days ago?
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Okay. And then you go back to Austria, back... And you're going to go to university, or...?
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Hi, my name is Natalie. I'm from Orange County, California. I'm 18, and I'm going to the University
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I'm Gracie. I'm 18 from Orange County, and I am a student at San Diego State University.
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I'm studying kinesiology for pre-physical therapy, and I'm doing health sciences, pre-professional.
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Kay. And I'm 30 years old. And right now, I'm actually a waitress at a high-end resort, but
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My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. It is, to my knowledge, the fastest-growing
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debate channel anywhere on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and occasionally
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All right. Welcome, everybody. So we're going to go around the table once more. We're going
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to get everybody's current relationship status. So are you single, talking, stage, situationship,
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friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, whatever it may be. If
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you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've ever
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been in? Go ahead. I'm currently in a relationship. The longest relationship I've ever been in
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is probably close to seven years, not the current one. The current one's like 10 months or so.
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Man. Okay. And you said your longest was seven-plus years.
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I am currently single, kind of in a few situationships, I guess. What was the other
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I actually just ended one, so I guess, yeah, one.
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What's the most amount of people you've been seeing in any given time?
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So your remaining situationship, how long have you been in that situationship?
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Six months? What about the one that just ended?
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And in the six-month period, have there been any other people kind of coming in, going,
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I had like a five-year-long situationship that I ended in like January, but it was very complicated.
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Were you at any point considered, like, did you consider each other boyfriend, girlfriend?
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No, we never put like a true label on it, but we were pretty like emotionally invested
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So, I mean, I don't know what he was doing behind the scenes, but he was a pretty decent
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I mean, yeah, it's a label, but like, I don't think he would call it a situation ship.
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And you said that it was five years, but long distance.
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You said he was pretty good when I asked you about if it was monogamous.
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Again, I don't know, because I don't try to like look too far into that, like, unless we're
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But when we were like engaged with each other, yeah, we were.
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And I had actually one question kind of going back a little bit to your intro.
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You describe yourself in your Instagram as a devalicious alpha bimbo evil genius.
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Um, I mean, it's kind of up for like viewer interpretation.
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Like, what do you think a devalicious alpha bimbo evil genius is?
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I don't really like put up with anyone's bullshit.
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Like, I'm kind of like sassy, prissy, you know.
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I don't know if there's a difference between an alpha and alpha bimbo.
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There's also other, there's alpha bimbo evil genius.
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So, what are the evil ways in which you treat men?
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I mean, regarding like my financial domination and also femdom, um, I guess you could call me evil.
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Because like I have them do pretty bad things to themselves.
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Well, I mean, there's some component of consent there.
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Are you a sadist for your own pleasure or simply for the money?
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I mean, I definitely like think it's fun to watch someone hurt themselves for me.
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Like, I would never like want to do that to a woman.
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I don't mean to ask you a million questions, but what is divine femininity?
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Like just believing in yourself and having confidence and I don't know.
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And going to your Twitter, thank you for providing that.
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Um, I am pretty good at seducing men and for some, it can be a very fatal attraction.
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Well, we'll get into that actually, but, um, you said you're pretty good at seducing men.
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So isn't that just kind of the life of a woman?
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I mean, I don't think all women like try to seduce men.
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Well, but I mean, like essentially you're saying I'm really good at getting men, but like, isn't
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But like, that's like a woman who says she has game and she's able to sleep with a lot
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I mean, there's plenty of people that identify with the fem cell community.
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So the thing is, is when he says, when he says fem cell, so the opposition of incel.
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So the male incel, the way that it's perceived is they want to have a relationship with women,
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So they're trying to, but they're just not succeeding.
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They're striking out over and over and over and over and over.
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So when you say fem cell, this would be the same exact thing applied to women.
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But what Brian's saying is he doesn't think that there are women who, if they decided to
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go, for instance, and sleep with a whole grouping of various men, they're probably going to be
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Whereas if men choose to do it, they may not be able to.
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But I think it's all just like, it depends on standards too.
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Because it's an incel, like, if it's regardless of their standards, they just can't.
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Again, I mean, I think there's someone for everyone.
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This is, I mean, that's what a fem cell is essentially.
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But, I mean, if we look at the actual terminology, so incel, involuntarily celibate, it's not clear
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to me if a woman just got on a dating app, even if she was remarkably unattractive.
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If she just made herself available for sex, she could get sex.
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It's not clear to me if that applies to like a remarkably unattractive man.
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If he makes himself available for sex, he's going to be able to get it.
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Well, I can give you kind of an easy thought exercise for this.
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Let's say you take one of the most unattractive men that you've ever met and one of the most unattractive women you've ever met.
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The sign just says, first car that pulls over, I'm sleeping with whoever's in it.
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The guy goes out with the sign versus the woman.
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So, but I gave you the scenario of the ones that are the most attractive you know.
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We have the factor of it's going to be an equal amount of men probably to women passing them or even more men than women.
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Inside of the scenario, who's going to pull off for which sex more?
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So that's the idea behind why Brian's saying being a fem cell likely isn't anything other than a standards issue versus I actually, you know, maybe have no standards and still can't close the deal.
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I mean, I think there's outliers in every situation.
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I'm just saying that even if we take the outliers, I think that the outlier females would still be able to get some outlier dude to sleep with them.
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But that might not be the case in the opposite direction.
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And then the follow-up question on that, and this might not be the way you move, but if you were inclined, like you made a decision, you woke up, you're like, you're in a brand new city.
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If you don't know anybody, if you're in a brand new city, but you're like, I want to sleep with somebody tonight, how certain do you think you could pull it off?
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Like, even good-looking men can't wake up and be like, I'm going to fuck a new girl today with certainty.
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They don't, even good-looking guys can't, like, they could maybe have 50-50, who knows.
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Even good-looking men can't, like, definitively say, I'm going to go out and I'm 100% closing tonight.
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Almost most women, if they were inclined to, could.
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Anyways, you said when it comes to the fatal attraction, fatal seduction, you're fatal for their bank accounts.
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Not yet, but I do have one that he's teetering on a very bad plane right now.
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I mean, I have a, I bartend, so this is, like, supplemental income.
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But he's teetering and that's part of the, his financial insecurity is part of the kink or whatever.
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Yeah, but, I mean, if you're, like, I don't know, true to the practice, then you're not really going to want to truly bankrupt someone.
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So, like, he has the freedom to close his laptop or block me or whatever if he really wants to.
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Do you associate a person who would be willing to bankrupt themselves to be mentally ill?
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So, like, aren't you kind of playing with mentally ill people?
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I mean, we go over, like, you know, consent and, you know.
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I mean, I'm not here screening them for mental illness.
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Yeah, but do you need to screen a person for mental illness if they want you to bankrupt them?
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Like, yeah, I get it's a kink, but you can understand that even through a person's perceived kinks, that would maybe be a good sign of mental illness.
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It could be, but that's really not my place to judge, you know.
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If you're the one who says, send me the money on behalf of your kink, and this could bankrupt you, who the hell else would be the judger here?
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I mean, if they have voiced that opinion to me, maybe, and if we have, like, a good relationship.
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But again, like, some of these guys will approach you and then just fuck off for, like, months, years.
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Got a guy who's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
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I mean, I don't force him to send me any money.
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I understand you're not forcing him to, but what I'm asking you is, if you have somebody who has the perception, at least a perception of mental illness, and you allow them to do thing X on your behalf, knowing that they're mentally ill, how are you not responsible for that?
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Well, I mean, then we'll have a conversation about that.
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But he has never come forth and said, I'm mentally ill.
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Yeah, but I mean, if you want to teeter on the edge of bankruptcy on purpose because it makes you fucking get off, right, wouldn't that be a sign to a normal person that that person's not well upstairs?
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I mean, again, like, it's really not, like, my responsibility to be monitoring someone's mental health.
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Again, if they bring it up to me and if they tell me that, you know, this is enough, like, I've had enough, cool.
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I mean, I'm pretty sure a lot of people in the BDSM community would qualify for mental illness.
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So there was a guy, let's say he was 55 years old.
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There was a woman who was 19 and she had a lower IQ, but she was considered an adult and functional member of society.
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And he was online and they're both adults and she was consenting and he was having sex with her.
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Would you find that to be an appropriate relationship?
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I mean, I think 19 is pretty young and I really don't like engaging with anyone under 21 in terms of that anyway.
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Do you think that if she's kind of under average IQ, but she's still a functional member of society, she's still an adult, she's still consenting, right?
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Do you have any issues with this guy taking advantage of her for sex?
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I mean, I think it's fucked up if you're 55 years old.
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He likes to take advantage of 21-year-old girls and have sex, but he likes it.
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I mean, you just said that she has a lower IQ, so, I mean...
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Do you think that this guy who sends you enough money to bankrupt himself has a high IQ?
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So the point is, though, is that she's still a consenting adult.
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It's not his responsibility to worry about her IQ, right?
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I mean, I've talked to him for six months now, more than that, longer than that, and we've had, you know, personal conversations.
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We've had kink-based conversations, and when he tells me he doesn't have money to send, I don't make him send it.
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So, and he'll send me, like, a small amount or something for coffee when he's broke.
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So imagine this going back the other direction of, yeah, he's 50, and she's a little bit low IQ, but she's a consenting adult.
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It's not for him to worry about whether or not she's under IQ or not, because she can consent, right?
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And so, you know, the thing is, is he just doesn't really worry about what might happen to her as a position of him sleeping with this woman who is 21 while he's 50, or 19 while he's 50, and who has a lower than average IQ.
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He just shouldn't worry about it, because she can consent.
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Again, you have a baseline conversation when you accept the submissive into your life.
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He's like, look, I don't give a shit about your IQ.
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Not sure if Redhead's too stupid to understand the depth of her evil, or she doesn't just like it.
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I encourage viewers to pray for her, but more importantly, her victims, as she's a literal predator.
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You get a lot of hate, but you're a good guy and one of the few who advocate for men.
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Yeah, a lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes that we don't really talk about.
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I mean, again, I'm a financial domination, so obviously I have some responsibility in it.
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But, again, I'm not sitting there forcing them.
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She's consensually at 21 with her low IQ sleeping with me.
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How you can make the moral equivalence that he's doing something wrong
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if you would not accept that you yourself also are doing something wrong.
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No, I think she accepts that she's doing something wrong.
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Well, it can't be quotes if you actually do think that.
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Do you continue the relationships if they're not paying?
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Because you're saying you're not forcing them to pay.
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But then do you continue talking to them if they're not paying?
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I mean, if they've sent a good amount, like they're my submissive,
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and I've taken them on as that, then sure, I'll talk to them.
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who was openly having a relationship like that with a 21-year-old?
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I mean, honestly, what do you think they would do?
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I think a big factor to consider in the hypothetical situation is the age gap.
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Because, like, what's the age gap between you and this guy?
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I'm just asking, what do you think the perception would be?
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Because men have a bad reputation for a good reason.
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Well, I mean, I literally have not heard yet a man, not once yet,
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tell me that they have teetered women on the brink of financial ruin,
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But I have heard this story that you're telling me dozens of times on this show.
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Yeah, I think you're omitting the fact, though, that, again, it's a kink,
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and I'm being approached, and this is what I do.
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Yeah, but in that case, it would just be a kink.
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There's plenty of kinks out there that people would view as taboo and wrong,
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Yeah, I know, but that doesn't mean that they're correct.
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So this idea of saying, well, it doesn't matter because it's a kink, though.
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I mean, I think correct is a very subjective word.
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Do you think that morality itself is subjective?
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then why would you ever get mad about what anybody ever does at any time,
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If it's all subjective and it's all just moral relativism,
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So then, yeah, I don't really know this idea of it's subjective.
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That just means you're saying there is no standard for morality at all
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Otherwise, you'd say it's okay to be a serial killer, right?
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I mean, I think we all know the answer to that.
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So if it's just your morals versus their morals,
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Obviously, he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.
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You have no standard from which to say he's doing anything immoral, right?
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but I do want to get everybody's relationship status.
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You do describe yourself as evil on your link tree.
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So, can you explain the Empress and the Goddess part?
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It's just an honorific that everyone in the community uses.
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I decided I wanted to change it up, make it Empress.
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But do you consider yourself like a goddess, just generally speaking?
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I Heart Exploiting Your Desires and Reveling in Your Tears.
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It's just like an essay on how to write I'm an awful human being.
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Do you enjoy like the money aspect of it, or do you genuinely enjoy what you do?
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I enjoy the money aspect of it, and I think it's funny.
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I mean, all my friends get a good laugh out of it.
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and my sub just wants to punch himself in the balls.
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When you say you get a laugh out of it, what do you mean?
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When they do humiliation stuff, yeah, it's funny.
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And my longest relationship, I've had a few that were, like, right around a year.
00:34:36.800
And you said you've been single for about a month?
00:34:48.120
And that was, like, the, I think there was a couple red flags, actually, that I, like,
00:34:56.840
And then at that point, I was, like, I don't deserve this kind of treatment.
00:35:01.160
So I was just, like, I think we should go our separate ways.
00:35:16.060
So we were, like, we were going on a camping trip to Grand Teton National Park.
00:35:24.180
So we were, like, splitting the cost of everything.
00:35:34.560
But I'm also tight on money as a business owner.
00:35:39.000
And then he had owed me money from, like, whatever the last transaction was.
00:35:43.140
And so then he was, like, oh, I just want to make sure that you're going to spend exactly, like, $12.
00:35:52.900
And then it annoyed me because I was just, like, well, if we've been on this whole trip and, like, not paying attention to cents and dollars, like, why are you doing this?
00:36:01.580
I was, like, if money is that big of an issue, we should have just bought our own separate things.
00:36:09.280
I was, like, wait, why are you doing two different orders?
00:36:11.300
And then he was just, like, oh, you are so unhealthy.
00:36:14.840
And, like, there was this little seven-year-old behind us.
00:36:18.280
You don't even know me well enough to yell at me.
00:36:26.380
But I took it as a sign that he was unhealthy because if he's yelling at me, like, I'm a store that's.
00:36:34.460
So then, yeah, it was, like, embarrassing and awkward.
00:36:37.340
And I was just, like, I just got out of a relationship with, like, not just, but my last relationship.
00:36:43.580
It was, like, very reminiscent of what I was in when I was 25.
00:36:47.940
And so then I was, like, oh, I'm just, thank you.
00:36:58.140
Right now I'm single, like, for six months or something.
00:37:03.860
And my longest relationship was one and a half years, I guess.
00:37:21.880
And then you're going back to Europe or are you staying in California for a bit?
00:37:29.060
I'm single and I haven't been in an actual relationship, really.
00:37:46.780
So what's the longest period of time that you've had anything with a guy?
00:37:51.500
Like, you met him and then you guys were hooking up or whatever it was, then you stopped talking.
00:38:02.780
And would you call that friends with benefits, situationship?
00:38:10.500
Just like, no, like, really like, I don't know, talking.
00:38:31.360
And the six-month one, is that the one that ended eight months ago?
00:38:39.280
It's kind of confusing because I initiated it maybe like three months in and then we had
00:38:47.560
a discussion, it happened on New Year's Eve and it just, it ended amicably at first and
00:39:05.900
Out of respect for him, I don't really want to go into details of it because it does have
00:39:10.600
to do with like his own mental health that I, I thought that I understood and it definitely
00:39:21.720
But in the very like last moments of it, it just definitely like.
00:39:35.620
I've been celibate for two and a half and I am dating on and off.
00:39:44.680
And you said you've been celibate for 2.5 years.
00:39:52.960
Was that a faith-based or personal decision for some other reason?
00:39:56.400
It's a, it was, it started off personal because I would say that a lot of people define celibacy
00:40:02.160
Like a lot of people will say that they don't even want to like masturbate, things like that.
00:40:07.560
I just did it because I just don't see a point of a guy touching on my body in a sexual
00:40:12.200
I personally, I just don't see a point in that.
00:40:15.600
So you're not waiting necessarily for marriage, but for a committed relationship?
00:40:18.880
It has to be a commitment, a committed relationship, yeah.
00:40:25.020
Like if I'm attracted to the guy and we're actually, he met my parents and everything,
00:40:36.200
I'm saying that now, but who knows I might want to decide to wait till marriage, but it
00:40:39.400
depends, but I'm definitely, I'm not doing anything.
00:40:48.140
Um, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
00:40:52.040
So I think actually before that, I know some of you, um, may not have watched the show prior
00:40:59.820
to your appearance, but for those of you who have any, uh, disagreements from anybody,
00:41:05.740
maybe you've seen the show, maybe you've seen clips, uh, why don't we start there?
00:41:14.560
With the show itself or something with like you or either something I've said, something
00:41:18.480
Andrew said or the show, the show's format, anything in regards to any criticisms, anything
00:41:33.080
No, well, she said, she said this podcast in particular, which makes me think other podcasts
00:41:52.880
Actually, there's a, maybe we'll just go to this.
00:41:55.400
We have a news article from the New York Times.
00:42:07.840
In Ukraine, while the pursuit of love might seem secondary to dealing with the horrors
00:42:13.500
and privations of the war, many Ukrainians say they need romantic relationships to help
00:42:23.820
There's some, uh, woman smokes a hookah at Forcage nightclub in Kiev last month.
00:42:30.600
Many women in Ukraine say they have a difficult time meeting men now because of the war.
00:42:35.980
Uh, men at war, women most affected, of course.
00:42:41.260
Um, for the past two and a half years, Katerina, blah, blah, blah, wanted to meet someone special,
00:42:53.480
I don't think it is, but then he, she met a soldier, but then he was sent to the front.
00:42:59.420
She traded text messages with another man, but those fizzled out because he was in no
00:43:04.600
mood to meet, fearing he might soon be drafted on the dating app Bumble.
00:43:08.040
She liked the looks of a hipster, but when she scrolled through his photographs, she noticed
00:43:15.120
I looked at his profile for 15 minutes and I felt so sorry for him.
00:43:19.740
Miss Barakna, 35, a marketing director for a clothing brand in Kiev, can you scroll down?
00:43:26.580
Said in an interview, she wondered if she could handle a relationship with a maimed war veteran.
00:43:36.040
Then she swiped left, removing him from potential matches.
00:43:44.140
Russia's full-scale invasion has upended nearly every facet of daily life in Ukraine.
00:44:07.620
Do you feel for the Ukrainian women that they're struggling to date because of the war?
00:44:13.980
Yeah, I was just about to say, to be quite honest, I can care less about what's going on.
00:44:17.680
This might sound bad, but in other countries, if we're not where we need to be out here in the U.S.,
00:44:23.260
I really don't care what's going on with anyone else.
00:44:28.360
No, no, no, even with dating, I honestly don't care about what their dating life is going on out there in Ukraine or Russia.
00:44:36.500
But you could assume, I guess the point of him reading the article is, because I agree with you,
00:44:41.740
but you can assume that if there was a war where the United States had a draft,
00:44:46.760
that women could be set in the same situation that they are in the Ukraine.
00:44:50.580
So if we were to kind of take this and hypothetically map it on to the United States,
00:44:55.680
and Brian's saying, should we really feel all that bad for the women who are suffering privation
00:45:03.260
from the fact that their men are off fighting a war mostly on their behalf?
00:45:08.300
I think that's what you're getting across here, right?
00:45:12.200
He should have just done a shot from the waist up and catfished, I feel like, if that's like any representation of how the women are going to be.
00:45:27.820
I mean, there's worse things that have happened with a catfish.
00:45:33.060
Yeah, what you could do is you could show up with a cane and then just say, like, you have a war wound, right?
00:45:41.000
You don't have to actually tell them what the wound, that's what you're saying.
00:45:52.040
It would make for an interesting and memorable date, that's for sure.
00:45:55.660
But no, I don't feel bad for women for being horny and not getting it.
00:46:01.380
Because at the end of the day, it's the men that are really struggling.
00:46:03.720
What is she, she just doesn't have anyone by her side.
00:46:06.280
Big whoop, these guys are literally dying to protect you guys.
00:46:08.260
She doesn't have to pay for her own meal, okay?
00:46:11.040
You know what's more risky than starting a relationship with a soldier?
00:46:24.320
These poor women can't get laid because men are dying on the front.
00:46:35.940
Anyways, I just thought that was, I saw that today.
00:46:51.100
Actually, who wants to be our, maybe I'll have you be our dedicated reader.
00:46:57.560
SS, thank you for the, I believe this is a Turkish currency.
00:47:14.160
In addition, raising three daughters right now.
00:47:16.400
And it's damn hard with so many skanky internet influencers and bullshit information spreading around.
00:47:23.080
Miss the times when we would go to our parents for the truth.
00:47:29.300
Appreciate you watching all the way from Turkey, man.
00:47:39.900
I bet Red would try to swindle elderly people in a hospice if it meant her getting a payday.
00:47:48.220
Go ahead, roll your eyes and keep justifying your evil.
00:47:56.460
They just, like, punch their balls and you're just like, whoa.
00:48:07.980
And then also, guys, just a reminder, I know you're sending some of these in via Super Chat.
00:48:15.500
That way YouTube doesn't take their brutal 30% cut.
00:48:19.600
Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the show so far.
00:48:22.120
Now, I do want to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
00:48:42.800
And you said you recently lost almost 70 pounds on a similar drug to Ozempic.
00:48:49.960
And you'd love to talk about your experience with how you were treated with men before and
00:49:13.120
So, 2.5 milligrams, which is like the starting dose.
00:49:21.700
But if you're eating above what normally would be and you take that drug, does it put your
00:49:27.180
appetite down to what you would now consider normal to be?
00:49:33.280
So, it wasn't like, I didn't take it to lose weight.
00:49:46.220
I mean, before I feel like a lot of it was, a lot of male attention that I would get was
00:49:52.160
more from like, kind of like in a gross like way.
00:49:57.700
Like more, I feel like it was easier to be sexualized when I was bigger than now, which
00:50:05.080
I think now the quality of guys is a lot better than I would say.
00:50:10.260
So, you were sexualized more when you were heavier?
00:50:12.880
Like, because usually the people that it would attract were more like.
00:50:31.460
So, if you had the buff chiseled chad who approaches you versus this, the other type
00:50:36.320
of guy who approached you, even if they had the same line, wouldn't one just still appear
00:50:41.620
to be icky from your perspective versus the other one?
00:50:49.440
Hello, pretty or something like that or beautiful or whatever the fuck it is they say.
00:50:55.760
If it's something gross, then it's just as weird from both sides, I feel like.
00:51:01.460
So, did just the more unattractive guys just have worse pickup lines?
00:51:07.020
What I was saying is before when I was, like, overweight, it just seemed that majority of
00:51:11.020
the guys that came up to me were more, like, coming straight off of from, like, a sexual
00:51:17.340
Like, not from, like, getting to know me kind of perspective.
00:51:20.300
And I don't know if that's a difference from me being more confident now in how I hold
00:51:23.480
myself or if that's from actual appearance-based wise.
00:51:26.760
Not because one subset of those guys just kind of gives you the ick and the other one
00:51:34.060
Well, like, I feel like, I mean, a lot of what I could say is that, like, the guys even
00:51:38.200
say it's, like, what did you say, chiseled Chad?
00:51:40.800
If they give me this, like, a gross pickup line, I'm still going to think it's gross.
00:51:45.800
But what I don't understand is I wouldn't think that there would be a variant in, like, a more
00:51:53.020
unattractive guy versus a more overly attractive guy in the way that they would approach a woman.
00:52:01.360
Like, what makes one creepy over the other one?
00:52:16.880
I think more so what she's referring to is the quality of a relationship that a guy is
00:52:22.780
And having seen it, like, personally from other people in my life, I think that it boils down
00:52:29.360
to guys seeing particularly older girls, like, physically as not relationship material or
00:52:47.280
Is there anything actually wrong with that, though?
00:52:52.220
It's just not what I was looking for now or then.
00:53:02.720
You got better treatment from the opposite sex.
00:53:05.240
I think just, yeah, better treatment from society in general, too.
00:53:08.020
I think people are a lot nicer to you after you've lost weight.
00:53:17.060
Because, let's be real, a lot of the times when we look at someone that's physically fit,
00:53:21.580
I wonder what they did to get to that, to get to that, to how they look.
00:53:25.380
When you look at someone that's overweight, you're like, ugh.
00:53:27.840
I mean, a lot of times when we look at someone that's overweight, we don't look at them like,
00:53:32.660
A lot of people say they look great, but you wouldn't want to look like that person.
00:53:39.620
Just like a nice lie, basically, is what you're saying.
00:53:43.800
And it's just like, I mean, unless they ask you for your opinion, you don't have to say
00:53:48.700
But if they ask you for your opinion, I mean, you can be honest.
00:53:52.000
And I don't think that's inherently a bad thing.
00:54:09.000
He wanted me to show him my stomach, too, which was also weird.
00:54:15.380
So, Caleb, cereal, I can't decide on what to ask.
00:54:21.140
Sorry, let me get that pulled back up here real quick.
00:54:25.440
What is your most embarrassing moment on the date of a romantic encounter or describe your
00:54:34.780
So, describe your ideal perfect man in detail, but also try to keep it relatively brief if
00:55:06.580
I guess I would have to describe my boyfriend, right?
00:55:17.420
I mean, I feel like I'm with a really great guy.
00:55:25.840
Maybe a couple physical, a couple personality traits.
00:55:30.260
He's a musician, which is cool to be with someone also in a creative area.
00:55:37.640
It's kind of how we met through musical comedy.
00:55:46.160
Someone who stands by his values and lives up to them.
00:55:52.060
And I think we have a very healthy relationship where we support each other, but don't have
00:56:31.160
Usually, I mean, like creative, but I would rather not date like an artist or anything
00:56:35.760
like that just because I find that the artists that I have dated in the past are not generally
00:56:48.520
So someone more, I think, pragmatic, maybe in the business world, like something like
00:57:04.160
But that's not your, I mean, ideally, if you're thinking of your ideal man, baldness wouldn't
00:57:11.960
Like you wouldn't be like, well, I'm not going to date you because you just have way too nice
00:57:17.860
I suppose I'm not specifically looking for a bald guy.
00:57:32.640
I just didn't think it would be a deal breaker for someone.
00:57:48.360
I like going out into nature a lot, so I would prefer to be with someone who likes a more
00:57:54.140
outdoorsy lifestyle, hiking, backpacking, camping.
00:57:58.320
As I mentioned earlier, I write books, so someone who also can have deep intellectual conversations
00:58:03.820
with me, maybe read my books, be one of the early readers of my books, someone who is
00:58:16.400
I'm learning Spanish as a second language, so maybe someone who speaks Spanish.
00:58:20.420
I do tend to like Latino men, so someone I can speak Spanish with and learn with.
00:58:25.540
But, yeah, I don't think I could say any, like, necessarily, like, physical features.
00:58:33.140
I've dated a lot of men from a lot of different backgrounds, but I do tend to really like Latino
00:58:40.540
Like, brunette hair, tall, of course, and brown or blue eyes, that's, and person.
00:58:55.440
He also has the same humor as me, because we have to talk, and the character is also the
00:59:20.780
Yeah, I'm pretty against guys that are shorter than me.
00:59:28.960
Like, if you're, like, my height, maybe a tiny bit shorter, it's fine, but, like, maybe
00:59:44.340
Like, I would get to know them and stuff, but...
00:59:56.600
So, bare minimum, your height, so they have to be 6'1".
01:00:06.140
So, like, what would be, like, I mean, I'm assuming 6'3", 6'4".
01:00:10.380
Ideal height is, like, if I could pick any height, it would be, like, 6'7".
01:00:37.320
What is the, like, bottom one percentile of female weight?
01:00:45.340
Like, if a guy was like, I will only date women under 100 pounds.
01:00:51.560
I've heard you guys talk about this on the podcast for comparing, like, height to weight.
01:00:54.860
I feel like that's, like, a not great comparison because height is something you cannot control.
01:01:05.900
I think it's more acceptable to judge on weight than it is height, in my opinion.
01:01:11.940
Yeah, so, I mean, wouldn't that make a worse case for women, then?
01:01:15.300
Because, well, because then men be like, well, if you're overweight, you can change that shit,
01:01:23.820
And so, if women are looking preferentially for men who are taller than them...
01:01:26.980
But there's a lot of guys that won't date me because I'm taller than them, so...
01:01:29.600
No, no, I understand that, but I'm just saying, from a preference standpoint, you're saying
01:01:33.640
it's okay to criticize based on weight because it's changeable.
01:01:37.740
No, I think it's fine to criticize on both, honestly, but yeah.
01:01:42.520
Well, I was just saying that I feel like it's, like, an uncare...
01:01:46.440
We'll be like, well, you can't judge me on my height, like...
01:01:49.340
Because, like, I'll judge you on your weight kind of thing, but I feel like it's not...
01:01:54.460
It's fine to criticize both, but I feel like it's just not a super fair comparison.
01:01:58.880
Because, like, if you have a preference towards more fit girls, that's fine.
01:02:01.200
Like, preference for taller guys, it's fine, but girls can change their weight.
01:02:06.980
That would still be worse than the preference, right?
01:02:10.520
Because you can actually do something about that.
01:02:19.260
I mean, and have you looked at the percentage of men that fall in that...
01:02:24.320
Yeah, like, I think you said 6'3", 6'4", but ideal, like, up into 6'7".
01:02:28.580
Well, yeah, 6'7", you're getting into, like, just a few thousand.
01:02:55.700
Yes, globally it would be even lower, but in the U.S., it's less than 1%.
01:03:01.200
I would say top five qualities would be somebody driven, smart, funny, kind...
01:03:27.520
If he does not want to get married and have kids, then there's no point in us even speaking.
01:03:31.620
I would like for him to have a good relationship with his family, because if you could treat your mother well, you're going to treat me well.
01:03:44.040
Weed, I don't really care much as long as you're not addicted to it.
01:03:57.660
As long as you look good, I just like physically fit in general.
01:04:00.380
Did you get any prospects from your last appearance?
01:04:05.920
And then the guy I was talking to during that time, him and I ended things because of lack of communication.
01:04:12.680
He met a different girl, and he didn't want to tell me that.
01:04:34.560
You said that you mainly agree with a lot of what Brian says and his views.
01:04:39.240
But I do disagree sometimes with his views on subjects like body count and other aspects of dating life.
01:04:45.520
So we can definitely get into the body count thing.
01:04:47.620
What would you know what some of the other aspects were that you disagreed with?
01:04:51.300
I think it's not necessarily like certain points.
01:05:03.880
Sometimes in like a little bit of a pushy manner.
01:05:08.020
Like when girls would come on not wanting to share.
01:05:10.700
Like I get because this is like a podcast about dating life.
01:05:27.940
I mean, the only pushback I also might give is.
01:05:30.240
Is if they make the argument that body count doesn't matter at all.
01:05:33.540
But they have hesitation to revealing what their body count is.
01:05:49.940
I feel like I agree with a lot more than I disagree.
01:06:32.920
I think you should ask that, like, third message.
01:06:55.700
I mean, I'll, like, still date a girl who hasn't any, you know?
01:07:16.800
Well, it's like, women, y'all have your preferences when it comes to, like, how big a guy is.
01:07:23.160
Like, I'm just, I'm, like, the only dude in the world who seems to.
01:07:46.000
I suppose if it's on the bigger side, that's cool.
01:08:01.160
I might identify as a BLM, so, you know, I can't.
01:08:08.240
Any, well, I mean, any girls here, like, have you ever been shamed?
01:08:25.400
I think, maybe not for the labia, but I think...
01:08:31.160
So, I was like, I think, no, I was just going to say, I think, like, when I was very young
01:08:38.540
and inexperienced, there were certainly, and was with young and inexperienced guys, oftentimes
01:08:44.780
there would be guys who, like, didn't want to go down on me because they thought it was,
01:08:56.860
I just think, and there, I came across that a handful of times.
01:09:02.440
They never specified, but I think it was more of a...
01:09:04.340
If you're a guy who doesn't want to go down, it's not because you have an in-ear-out.
01:09:16.460
You disagree with his views on subjects like body count.
01:09:20.260
So, I guess, what specifically do you disagree with?
01:09:23.720
I would say, I think that a lot of times when people are like, oh, I don't, like, I don't
01:09:28.800
really care about, I don't think it should matter, but then don't care to share.
01:09:34.340
But I also think that, to an extent, it doesn't matter, but it does.
01:09:40.320
So, I think that it's contradictory, but it can both be at the same time, if that makes
01:09:43.900
Well, I mean, I guess to argue the other person's side.
01:09:53.280
So, you could think something matters, but also not want to reveal it, like, to the broader
01:10:01.300
Like, like, but then why would you say it doesn't matter?
01:10:04.740
Because it, I think it's like a more of a general term, like, it doesn't really matter.
01:10:08.960
But, like, at the end of the day, it's more between, like, the partner and you.
01:10:15.700
I think it's more so being, like, the number doesn't matter, but telling this amount of
01:10:24.920
I think it's a bad way to put it, that it doesn't matter, but...
01:10:26.720
Well, let me give a counter example, if this is true.
01:10:31.040
What you're saying is, look, to the broader public, this may matter, right?
01:10:36.300
But to me and whoever my potential partner is, it doesn't matter.
01:10:39.240
But let me give you a thought exercise to see if this is true.
01:10:42.780
Do you think you would be more likely to reveal your body count if you had slept with
01:10:55.240
Whether or not you want to admit that it doesn't matter, clearly it matters.
01:10:57.540
Because otherwise, why would you reveal it at zero, right?
01:11:06.320
Like, for example, someone might, if we're talking about how much money somebody makes,
01:11:11.580
and in a dating context, for example, do you care about somebody's finances?
01:11:25.680
Oh, okay, well, how much money do you have in the bank account?
01:11:29.400
Someone might not want to reveal that not having anything to do with whether it matters
01:11:36.080
or not, just because they'd prefer to keep that private.
01:11:40.600
If I can understand the other side's position on this.
01:11:50.840
I think it's more that it doesn't matter in, like, a general context of who you're dating
01:11:54.780
and who you're talking to, but when you're on a platform like this, and there's a bunch
01:11:58.100
of people watching, it's something that you would want to keep private, I guess?
01:12:00.820
Yeah, but in that same situation, if you, in the personal finance department, made
01:12:06.440
$35,000 a year, yeah, maybe you don't want to reveal that to the public.
01:12:10.520
If you made $20 million a year, I don't think he'd give a shit.
01:12:13.020
I think he'd be like, yeah, I'd make $20 million.
01:12:14.880
But wouldn't you also be kind of, like, scared of putting...
01:12:19.840
So, I mean, the point of it, I still would contend, is that it matters.
01:12:28.580
Otherwise, they would have no problem revealing it.
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I think the number matters less and, like, where you are now in life matters more.
01:12:36.640
Like, if a guy had slept with 70 people in his early 20s and now is, like, you know, not
01:12:42.880
living that same lifestyle and is ready for, like, a locked down relationship, I think that's
01:12:48.480
I think that I'm going to agree with you that it seems to me from talking to many, many
01:12:56.760
women that men who were promiscuous and now are not promiscuous, they don't seem to give
01:13:05.820
Men seem to care a great deal about whether or not a woman was promiscuous or not promiscuous.
01:13:11.040
So, while I agree with you in principle, right, so I would agree with you, or I would even
01:13:17.520
make the claim, stronger claim, that promiscuity in men and women is equally as bad, but they
01:13:25.240
When they hold each other to the standard, right?
01:13:27.260
So, women don't view male promiscuity the same way men view female promiscuity.
01:13:32.040
I think society validates guys being like, oh, good on him.
01:13:35.480
I don't think it's just a form of social stigma.
01:13:37.800
I think that it mostly comes from the idea of paternity.
01:13:43.320
So, the idea being, you know, paternity testing is recent.
01:13:48.480
So, all throughout human history, the best way that you could assure that you knew that
01:13:52.180
that's my kid is if you knew that chick was only sleeping with you.
01:13:59.140
And so, I think that revolt kind of or disgust is built in with promiscuity when it comes
01:14:13.300
I think with the body count, though, when you think about it, you should realistically divide
01:14:19.780
it by how many years you've been sexually active.
01:14:22.620
Because when you do that, it really doesn't seem that bad.
01:14:28.120
Because I think if you have, like, a high body count, but you've been sexually active
01:14:31.500
for, like, 20 years, you know, it really, a couple people a year, it's like, when you
01:14:37.620
Yeah, but, so, again, I can agree with you in principle, but not in the practical.
01:14:44.960
So, again, let's look at it from a man's perspective.
01:14:51.140
I think that they could even kind of engage with what you're saying, right?
01:14:54.680
And you could even hold them to the same standard.
01:14:56.940
But they still want, if they're going to settle down with you, generally they want children,
01:15:04.160
Maybe not all of them, but generally they will.
01:15:07.160
The idea of pair bonding, or can you stay with me in the long term, if you've been with
01:15:12.840
way less men, they think that that number goes way higher, right?
01:15:17.540
If you've been with way less men, your chances of bonding with me forever and ever and ever
01:15:22.000
are going to be way higher than if you've been with, you know, a hundred men.
01:15:26.340
And think of it from their perspective this way, on the logic of, what do you have to compare
01:15:32.900
So, this is why virgins, for instance, who get married, they often do report higher sexual
01:15:38.440
satisfaction and they stay together for way longer.
01:15:41.420
And when social scientists investigate this, they go, okay, why?
01:15:49.720
So, let's say even the sex in this relationship was bad from your perspective, having been
01:16:01.920
If you have nothing to compare it to, I'm sure it's the best sex in the world.
01:16:07.020
So, that's one of the good reasons why having a low body count, probably really good for
01:16:17.360
I mean, so, if you take, for example, a 30-year-old who has a body count of 10 versus an 18-year-old
01:16:24.460
who has a body count of 10, clearly the promiscuity is greater in the 18-year-old.
01:16:30.360
I mean, it's the same body, it's the same body count, but...
01:16:37.240
So, let's say it's two women who are 30, right?
01:16:42.060
And one racked up 20 bodies from the time she was 18 until the time she was 30.
01:16:47.680
And one racked up 30 bodies at 20 and then slept with nobody else until they were 30.
01:16:56.200
I think that they would still look at the totality of the body count and be just as horrified
01:17:04.080
But, I mean, if the comparison is, for example, if the man is choosing between these two women,
01:17:11.080
say a 20-year-old who slept with 10 men in a period of two years versus a woman who's 30
01:17:20.100
who slept with 10 men over the course of 12 years, it could indicate two different things.
01:17:29.160
Yeah, I agree, but I would say if all things were equal, they were the same attractiveness
01:17:35.080
level, this and that, they would probably go for the 30-year-old.
01:17:38.360
But if they have the same exact body count and they have the choice of the more virile
01:17:41.900
19, 20-year-old, I still think they would go for that one if they had the same body count.
01:17:46.500
Yeah, but she wouldn't be seen as, like, faithful.
01:17:53.200
But in terms of, like, the actual, his thought process when it comes to the promiscuity component
01:18:00.900
of it, he can still determine, like, well, on this specific metric, the 30-year-old edges
01:18:07.140
out the 18-year-old, but I'm still more attracted to the 18-year-old.
01:18:13.860
I just think that in that case, if you're just going between these two isolated cases, I guess
01:18:20.740
I can agree with that in spirit, but I think when this is applied in a broader scale to
01:18:26.500
how men engage, or at least how I've heard them talk about how they engage with relationships,
01:18:32.240
they're looking at the overarching, and they say, okay, the amount, number of men you've
01:18:36.040
slept with is definitely going to determine how loyal I think you're going to be to me.
01:18:45.640
We're going to do a shout-out for Peo here, because we have a little, this is a perfect transition.
01:18:54.000
Guys, and also we're going to pull up, guys, drop us a follow.
01:18:58.900
If you have a, by the way, guys, it's been 26 minutes since we've had a Prime sub.
01:19:07.600
Yo, Peo, thank you so much for the stream, man.
01:19:09.420
Guys, if you're coming over from Peo's stream, we are going to start playing World of Warcraft
01:19:15.580
We're going to talk about the dating, like online dating in World of Warcraft.
01:19:19.600
So if you're coming from Peo, just drop us a follow, guys.
01:19:32.740
And also, we're going to show them the keyboard video.
01:19:40.200
Because we're going to, Peo's single, guys, he's a very, he's a big streamer in Canada.
01:19:52.000
So, in fact, because he's French-Canadian, I'm going to change the TTS voice to, hold on.
01:20:09.280
Okay, I'm going to do French-Canadian, we're going to call it Liam.
01:20:39.680
He's obviously, you know, this is some World of Warcraft footage on his personal Instagram.
01:20:55.720
Like, he'll, like, if you guys have a pool, he'll, you know, maintain the pool, I guess.
01:21:14.400
The photo up there, if you scroll back up, it kind of did look like Elon Musk.
01:21:22.400
I feel like you're trying to make sure that these girls will never date this guy.
01:21:52.580
I don't know if you guys like Blessed Blade of the Windseeker.
01:21:55.200
So, he had it on, like, two of his rogues in Classic.
01:22:05.140
Like, he's, but honestly, like, his PvP and duels, way better.
01:22:11.800
But, like, when it came to, like, PvP, like, solid.
01:22:20.440
So, going around the table, like, let's just say if you're single, would you date Pao?
01:22:24.500
One day, there's going to be a chick here who has spent years playing World of Warcraft
01:22:28.440
and is just going to start spurging at Brian when he does one of these rants.
01:22:34.540
Yeah, I'm going to be here when that date comes.
01:22:40.380
So, going around the table, would you date Pao?
01:22:49.100
Were we supposed to do a scale of 1 to 10 also, or no?
01:23:04.940
French is cool, I think, but I don't find him attractive.
01:23:45.240
If you're watching on Twitch, can you guys drop us a little follow in the chat?
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Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
01:24:17.960
I was going to say seven and a half, but eight.
01:24:50.700
I mean, it's honestly, if you go to his Twitch, I think it's one of his top clips.
01:25:01.440
Let me see if, probably the Twitch chat is going to help us out here.
01:25:07.980
Actually, I don't know if they can put URLs in the Twitch chat.
01:25:19.600
Because all the girls, except kind of you, said no for Peo.
01:25:23.680
But I think if I show you guys this video, it's going to totally change your mind.
01:25:59.320
No, he's actually like, I'm pretty sure he's like 6'3".
01:26:57.200
You might think your knee-jerk reaction is, that's gross.
01:27:02.200
Or, is that his commitment to being a top-tier gamer and streamer, that he doesn't clean
01:27:24.260
Like, I think he showers, like, once a week or something.
01:27:35.080
That's, like, good values, you know, but I just...
01:27:55.780
I thought initially, when it was blurry, that it was, like, weed.
01:28:00.280
And that, I would have maybe have been more acceptable.
01:28:05.120
But also, Payo, I will buy you a new keyboard pro.
01:28:12.620
Make more videos and dedicate them to Brian of the keyboards that look like that, just so that we can watch Brian Sperg for hours about it.
01:28:22.720
So, going back to this one, we have two 10s at the table.
01:28:34.500
I mean, I don't think other people would say I'm a 10, but I got to wake up every day and feel that way about myself.
01:28:41.760
Who do you think the prettiest girl in the room is?
01:28:48.960
So, why do you think she rates herself less than you rate yourself if she's the prettiest?
01:29:04.760
So, what are the features on her that make her prettier than you, even though you're a 10?
01:29:12.540
You said she's the prettiest girl in the room could have been you.
01:29:19.160
I don't really like, well, you want me to say what makes her prettier than me?
01:29:26.100
If you think she's the prettiest girl in the room.
01:29:28.540
Well, I think you should, I think she should rate herself higher.
01:29:37.660
So, what makes the other girls here less pretty?
01:29:43.300
I was going to say, well, I'm sorry, I'm trying to reconcile the possibility here.
01:29:48.960
If she's prettiest, then all other people who aren't as pretty must be less pretty.
01:30:01.100
I think maybe for me, and I hope I don't, like, offend you by this.
01:30:18.440
I mean, I tend to be attracted more to women of color than white women.
01:30:36.400
This question is asked because women often, when they are rating themselves, they're not
01:30:43.940
They're rating themselves on all kinds of other shit, which is tangential to the question
01:30:50.060
We're not asking you about if this is a day where you woke up with extreme confidence
01:30:54.880
and on a Tuesday you would have rated yourself a six because you felt less confident
01:31:05.480
So, if that is the case, that you're able to objectively rate people like this, including
01:31:09.320
yourself, as a 10, then I would assume that there's features that you have that make you
01:31:14.660
a 10 that other women do not have who are not 10s.
01:31:18.220
I don't know how objective it is because I think if I'm rating them, it's subjective.
01:31:25.760
But objective to you, even if it's subjective from their standpoint, it would still be objective
01:31:34.660
So, then that would be an objective standard from your perspective.
01:31:37.820
You could not be subjectively attracted to something, could you?
01:31:46.780
I don't think anybody else has two different colored eyes.
01:31:53.000
That's the big distinguishing factor, is that you have different colored eyes?
01:32:01.920
So, who's the second prettiest girl, do you think?
01:32:09.900
I would say, like, she stands out to me the most.
01:32:13.500
It would be hard for me to, like, level anyone else outside of that.
01:32:18.120
Is there a possibility that you think that saying out loud what you actually think could
01:32:26.220
And so, that's a motivation for why you don't actually want to say anything about it.
01:32:31.580
Do you think that it's reasonable for me, after being around thousands of women and hearing
01:32:36.980
them nitpick each other to death, especially the second one gets up and leaves the room,
01:32:41.000
that most women likely can ascertain the beauty standard in comparison to themselves with
01:32:46.780
other women almost instantly, but never actually want to say it to anybody, or say it within
01:33:05.180
Isn't it true that women can very quickly ascertain if another woman is prettier than them,
01:33:10.780
or has features that they wish they had almost instantaneously, and then will often nitpick
01:33:15.480
the shit out of them when they're not around, based on those standards?
01:33:19.420
I mean, sure, but I think that is just a matter of your character, right?
01:33:24.720
Maybe the nitpicking part, but not necessarily the, I do have a view.
01:33:32.120
And so you would say that most women have a view of this, and can very quickly ascertain
01:33:37.300
if another woman is more or less attractive than them.
01:33:43.020
Even if it's from your subjective standpoint, you would still have that standpoint, right?
01:33:47.700
There's also things that are, like, objectively attractive.
01:33:50.080
If you're very symmetrical, you're going to be more attractive.
01:33:52.440
I agree, but I just would prefer to take that off the table of universal standards,
01:33:57.180
because people don't like to deal in universals.
01:33:59.960
They like to deal in, especially when it comes to things which could potentially hurt somebody's
01:34:05.220
You know, it's really subjective, and it's really just kind of up to the beauty of the behind
01:34:10.400
So I'm just like, okay, we'll just go with purely that.
01:34:13.580
And if that is the case, then you still do have a standard for what you think is attractive
01:34:20.480
And so if that's the case, I just am always wondering why so many women lie when you ask
01:34:27.300
Are you going around a table of women like this, right?
01:34:30.780
Why would you say that the prettiest girl in the room rates herself lower than you who
01:34:35.100
claimed that you were one of the most beautiful, possibly in the world, out of 10, right?
01:34:39.500
That's putting yourself at the highest possible metric for all the beautiful women who have
01:34:49.120
It's not designed to break you down or hurt your feelings.
01:34:52.760
It's designed instead to see if the answer that you're giving is based around what you actually
01:35:02.460
I suppose, well, I suppose it's where it is the looks question.
01:35:06.880
So it's just, I guess I'm not with the, I'm not intending to lie.
01:35:14.480
But I think that socially, these things are built in, especially to women, where they think
01:35:20.320
one thing, but they're not going to verbalize what that thing is they think, right?
01:35:30.600
I don't think every, well, I guess we already kind of covered this.
01:35:32.980
I don't think every woman, like, we can definitely see the other features that make women, you
01:35:40.660
But I don't think that means that every one of us is going to go nitpick them, you know?
01:35:45.120
No, I'm not saying that you would nitpick them necessarily.
01:35:49.460
Or talk shit, but that you would be able to ascertain quickly if this woman is more
01:35:58.140
And so if I know that you agree that that is true, and every woman here seems to agree
01:36:02.820
that that is true, then if I asked you to honestly rate the woman next to you, would
01:36:16.220
Well, then I'd have to also start by lowering my own, because I suppose I wouldn't be a
01:36:22.980
10 if we're talking, you know, I feel like a 10 myself, but I suppose based on looks,
01:36:28.640
maybe I'd be, well, I'm not allowed to say a 7, so I would, I suppose I would do, I mean,
01:36:35.200
I think I'm very pretty, but I suppose I would do an 8.
01:36:44.880
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty attractive table of women.
01:36:49.680
Think of a woman who is a famous woman that you can think of who's under an 8.
01:37:13.380
I don't really think that I would rate anyone too, too low.
01:37:17.140
But that also might just be because it's socialized in me, you know?
01:37:25.240
And so the reason this question is asked, it's not actually ever asked to be offensive.
01:37:35.100
If I'm comparing myself to the most attractive men on planet Earth, right, 10s, yeah, I'm a fucking 4.
01:37:51.400
But the thing is, it's like, okay, at least a 5 is more rational and reasonable than I'm a 10 on par with the most beautiful women in the existence of the world, right?
01:38:04.960
Doesn't that sound delusional when you think about it?
01:38:07.340
And doesn't it sound narcissistic from people hearing it?
01:38:10.920
Doesn't it actually have the opposite effect when you think about it?
01:38:13.820
I mean, I think we all have to be a little delusional to get through our lives as the physical being that we are.
01:38:24.640
I mean, I don't think anybody is waking up and the first thing they say to themselves is like, oh, man, I'm a 4.
01:38:33.300
Yeah, you know, I think that's where I'm going to disagree.
01:38:36.400
So I think that there are tens of thousands of men who do exactly that.
01:38:43.220
They wake up and say, okay, I'm at the lower end of the socioeconomic tier and the physical attractiveness tier, and I need to change that quickly.
01:38:53.720
Well, I'll let you, yeah, you can take it from there.
01:38:58.180
Well, I was gone for a bit, so I don't remember where things left off.
01:39:04.220
But, yeah, that's all I'm saying is that I think that men do, because they have to operate in a hierarchical system, they do actually have to be objective and non-delusional about this.
01:39:15.160
Their attractiveness level, their socioeconomic status matters to them in a daily way that doesn't seem to apply to women.
01:39:21.640
And so, no, I don't think they're that delusional about it.
01:39:23.600
I think that they do indeed get up and go and look at the mirror and go, whoa, I really don't look very good, and I'm really broke, and I need to do something about that.
01:39:37.480
That's why the question is asked, and why men are constantly stunned by hearing that this podcast seemingly has the most beautiful women in the entire world on it all the time.
01:39:57.480
It's hard for me to just do looks with myself, though, even when the question is asked about looks, you know?
01:40:08.480
Have you guys, what do you think is more common, a mid-guy with a beautiful girl or a handsome guy with a mid-girl?
01:40:29.600
Now, this might be true, but one of the issues that I have with it is, there's a couple things.
01:40:39.300
On one hand, if you see your female friends, or just women you don't even know, and you're like, why is she with that guy?
01:40:50.620
I actually think women make awful appraisals of men's attractiveness as well as their own attractiveness.
01:41:05.000
So, if you have, like, huge swaths of women who think, whoa, all these women are settling, you're probably going to, like, be telling your girlfriends, you could do better.
01:41:15.080
And that's going to instill in your girlfriend's head, who's otherwise in a good relationship, who's otherwise in a relationship with somebody in her league, you're going to start putting things in her head.
01:41:25.580
And she's going to have things in her own head thinking, I settled for this guy.
01:41:31.360
Because if 80% of women appraise themselves higher than they actually are, and you have a far smaller subset of men who have this delusional self-appraisal,
01:41:41.200
then you're going to have women who find themselves feeling contempt, essentially, for their partners because they feel like they've settled when actually they're in a relationship with somebody who is their equivalent.
01:41:55.960
And also, not to mention, you guys have the benefit of makeup, which, and you'll judge yourself, here's how I look with filters, here's how I look with filters, and, sorry, I got distracted.
01:42:09.960
Here's how I look with filters, and makeup, and all this shit.
01:42:15.200
And you think that that's how you actually look.
01:42:18.280
That's not, the way you actually look is how you look without any makeup, just stepped out of the shower.
01:42:25.000
Now, the other thing is, when it comes to this, how do I want to frame this?
01:42:32.460
Well, I would take this even easier, kind of an easier way to rationalize it for me, is I think the opposite.
01:42:39.260
I think it's way more common to see the attractiveness switch.
01:42:46.280
So you think that it's mid-men with beautiful women, right?
01:42:55.240
And the reason I think it's the opposite is because of just how high I hear women rate themselves.
01:43:00.480
So I think if you're, for instance, it's no offense to you, no offense to you either, but if you're rating yourself on par with the most beautiful women on planet Earth, then what fucking guy isn't, in comparison, going to be mid?
01:43:15.220
And so if you're looking at every woman as a comparison to yourself and saying all of them are on par with you and that makes them a 10, or if that's, because I would consider that pretty average, right?
01:43:26.420
But if you're considering that to be a 10, then what fucking guy wouldn't be a mid?
01:43:34.760
I think I usually see guys who are way, way out of women's leagues with subpart women.
01:43:45.460
I just think that women's estimation of themselves is way too high.
01:43:52.880
So how do you think men treat women who they think they are settling for?
01:43:59.180
Do they treat them well or do they tend to treat them poorly?
01:44:10.940
I, uh, it's so tough because we're talking strictly based on looks and it's like relationships.
01:44:20.420
You know, like if, if you're mid my consideration, I mean, if we're, if we're still like looks and then that's fine.
01:44:29.540
I think they treat them similar to how they treat themselves.
01:44:33.320
Well, I mean, we have a woman here who said her treatment totally changed when she became more physically attractive.
01:44:45.560
And so taking her anecdotal example here, I would say this equally applies to women.
01:44:53.700
Women treat men who they're more attracted to better than they treat men who they're less attracted to.
01:45:03.500
But if as a woman, but let me ask you a question.
01:45:06.440
If you think you're more attractive than you actually are, how are you going to treat the men who are actually in your league?
01:45:21.240
Or if you do end up in a relationship with them, you're going to view it as settling.
01:45:25.300
And invariably, you're not going to treat them very well.
01:45:30.260
I'm not saying all women are inclined to treat people, uh, worse off.
01:45:34.100
But it occurs to me that we do tend to treat people, uh, differently based on our sense of how attractive they are.
01:45:43.580
If you settle for somebody, you might do less for them.
01:45:50.800
I think a lot of it for girls, too, is like a lot of attractiveness.
01:45:53.600
I know we're talking solely based off looks, but a lot of attractiveness is from personality.
01:45:57.840
I've seen guys that I like know that before I get to know them, I can be like, they're not very cute.
01:46:03.060
They're not that good looking, but once you get to know them and their personality, it can completely change.
01:46:06.880
And I'm notoriously known to go for guys that the rest of my friends don't find very attractive.
01:46:11.720
But that's solely because of their personality and how they hold themselves.
01:46:19.480
Yeah, so were they still 6'3", but they weren't good looking, but their personality was good?
01:46:32.340
I mean, height's a big thing, but I think that their personalities are more like the thing that gets them across from me.
01:46:42.240
If a guy's funny and like holds himself with confidence and stuff, it goes way further than me.
01:46:47.120
And what percentage of men do you think are funny?
01:46:49.960
And what percentage of men hold themselves with confidence or have charisma?
01:46:54.500
Probably a pretty high amount, but I think there's a fine line between confidence and charisma and like ego.
01:47:08.020
Well, I mean, I was just going to say I agree that men can make up for deficiencies by having outstanding personality, humor, etc.
01:47:20.380
But I still think some component of physical attractiveness needs to be there.
01:47:36.480
No, he doesn't have the humor or the charisma or the personality.
01:47:43.020
I find that when people don't hold themselves in confident ways, don't have the charisma, don't...
01:47:51.800
Even if they're like a 10 out of 10, there's just something about them that will always be less attractive to me.
01:48:00.640
He had an eight-pack, beautiful, but he was a liberal.
01:48:07.740
The things that he would say, I just couldn't do it.
01:48:12.580
His biceps were insane, but he was just stupid.
01:48:20.600
People tell him all the time, how the hell were you able to get Kishwan?
01:48:33.500
I didn't really choose the best guy the first time around.
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so if women tend to have a delusional and inflated sense of self
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they'll rate themselves higher than they actually are.
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They rate men lower than what those men actually are.
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I mean, how is this just not a recipe for disaster
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where women will just be perpetually chasing after men
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So, I mean, that's why I think this rating question is important.
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well above what their looks, prospects, and personalities warrant.
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I especially think the issue of women chasing men is rampant right now.
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I don't know if I entirely see the correlation between it
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and tend to avoid men who you say are in their league.
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when women demean themselves to the point of chasing men,
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whether they recognize they're doing it or not.
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Well, I think that the script has slowly been getting flipped with Gen Z.
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the movement towards we're just interchangeable widgets,
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it seems to be rejected pretty heavily by a huge subset of Gen Z.
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A bunch of them embrace it, don't get me wrong,
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but a larger subset of them say no than you would ever imagine.
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you can pay for the fucking dates and you can fuck off.
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And it seems to kind of reverse the script, right?
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And it's like, eh, you know, we don't really want to get involved
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And there seems to be a much larger subset of that now
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like doing the proactive things that men do to get women,
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I just mean like the men that they want to be with.
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because men will shoot their shots with women below their league.
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But the women will view this purely sexual interest
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And so a really attractive guy might pursue a woman
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That's why women often complain about fuckboys and the like
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but you typically don't hear men complaining about,
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It's not clear to me if the reverse is the same.
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I would go for someone who I felt was in my league
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I'm going to go out and get a guy who's in my league.
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But I do think after hearing all this discussion,
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I think there is one thing to admitting or saying out loud that you're a 10
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and then actually internalizing that and feeling that way.
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It seems like more women just ask the question,
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but then realistically in their everyday lives,
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That most women will identify themselves at an outrageously high
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you start to reduce why they're not being honest,
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you start to recognize these kinds of patterns that it has more to do with
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how I feel more to do with how I want to present more,
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more to do with that than how they actually think they rate compared to other
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I don't know that everyone would delusionally go after the most attractive
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But that would make all that would make our point for us.
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but you're going for whatever was in your league,
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then this idea that you were a 10 and amongst the most beautiful on planet
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A male 10 will sleep with a three to five for any number of reasons,
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will then believe they're in the same league just because the 10 bottomed out
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So I don't know why it stayed up for such a short period of time.
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so really good looking guy sleeps with ugly chick.
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Now ugly chick thinks they can have a relationship with a really good looking
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Because I think they tend to have a more like have emotional connection when it
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comes to sex and guys do like chemically in the brain.
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do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10 years time?
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Do you think you're more physically attractive now at 34 than you were at 24?
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but you'll be just as attractive at 36 than as you are now at 26.
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who's to say maybe I could get more attractive,
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how my parents and aunts and uncles and stuff have aged.
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66 is the peak you think of your attractiveness?
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So you said you'll be just as or more physically attractive at 56 as you are now at 26.
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Wait, can you just repeat the question to me just so I know you understand the question?
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What's going to make me more physically attractive?
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The initial question was, do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years,
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So why will you be more physically attractive at 56 as compared to now at 26?
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Because I'm going to be the same person I am, which is a pretty girl.
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So let me, so I'll just grant you that people can obviously, you can still be attractive
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in your 30s, 40s, 50s, but that's not the question.
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The question is, will you be just as or more attractive as a comparison?
02:00:48.980
Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
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And are you, you are familiar, I am with aging?
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He thinks the whole using woman a plural is intentional for whatever reason, which he
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Because he notices they don't ever confuse man a plural.
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This is a good observation by Ulysses, good observation, saying for some reason women
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can say men fine, but say woman for women all the time.
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I feel like it's easier to slip up with that, you know?
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How can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
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I don't know what's going to happen in 10 years.
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Are you going to engage in good faith or just troll?
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But so, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the maximum, you can't be an 11.
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You can break the scale by saying that you will be the most beautiful woman on planet
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That at 36, you're going to be the most beautiful woman on planet Earth.
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Hey, even Beyonce don't look as good as how she used to in her 20s.
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Adriana Lima, she was considered like the most beautiful person on Earth.
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And there's beauty in that, don't get me wrong, but I went to that's your peak.
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But not as good as when they were in your peak.
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And I'll probably be attractive 10 years from now.
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I can just grant, like, sure, you'll still be attractive in 10 years' time.
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But I'm just saying, I mean, like, that's my answer.
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Well, because you say, well, I will still be attractive in 10 years' time.
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You said just as or more physically attractive.
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But so, I mean, knowing what you know about aging, do people get wrinkles as they age?
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Does this impact, if somebody is very wrinkly or what have you, their skin isn't as, whatever, youthful as it used to be, does this tend to make someone more attractive or less attractive?
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She might let you if you give her your life savings.
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So, if you think you'll be, when do you think the peak is?
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So, if I could wave a magic wand that only advanced your outward physical appearance, it didn't, you know, you wouldn't pass away five years earlier.
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You wouldn't, if you were to get cancer at a certain age, you wouldn't otherwise get it five years sooner.
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Just your outward physical, and you live to the, um, you know, you, you still live just as long.
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If we could wave a wand, advance your physical appearance five years, six years, you would take it?
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I mean, I'm enjoying the age that I'm at right now.
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It's just, it's just your outward physical appearance.
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The crucible will pay for that surgery, an age surgery.
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I mean, it's only 10,000 bucks, and they can add all sorts of wrinkles and make you look way older.
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I don't think anyone's going to say that they're going to commit to doing that.
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Because the answers weren't good faith, and you don't actually think that in...
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Well, let's start with the first truth statement, then.
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Do you believe that you're going to be the same attractive level that you are right now in 10 years?
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If that is the case, you don't think you're going to be a smidgen more attractive?
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If you're going to be just as attractive then as you are right now, what would even be the harm of you doing an age advancement surgery?
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Because I don't want to go under the knife for no reason.
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Well, but it has the potential to make you yet even more attractive.
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I just said I could be just as attractive or I could be more.
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So why would I take that gamble when I'm happy the way that I am?
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Again, I don't have a crystal ball I can't see into the future.
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I do know that I have seen plenty of women that have just gotten more attractive as they age.
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And there's plenty of women that I'm sure think that they are less attractive as they age.
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Can you name one that you think, who's a famous one, who has gotten more attractive as she's aged?
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God, I can't pull it out of my brain right now.
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Scarlett Johansson has not gotten hotter as she aged.
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I cannot pull one out of my ass right now, but let me think about it for a little bit.
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You'll have to repeat what the question was for the panel.
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Do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years' time?
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I think the peak is probably between ages 25 to 35, and then you start getting wrinkles and aging.
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Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
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I think my standard for beauty will probably change, but I'll probably rank myself similarly.
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Do you think you're better looking at 20 than you are now at 30?
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I'm not worried about age, though, just because of how my parents look.
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But realistically, when I was in my early 20s, I was fire.
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Because you lose, like, you have, like, at least for me, when I was in my young 20s,
02:09:12.120
And it starts to, like, thin out the older you get.
02:09:16.480
I think it depends where you see yourself, too, like, in 10 years.
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I mean, for me, I consider that, like, I would want to have kids by that age.
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And I feel like physically-wise, it's probably less, like, your body changes a lot when you
02:09:28.620
Well, I mean, you got to think, like, 10 years of accrued sun damage, stress.
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That just, even if you took perfect care of yourself, your diet was perfect, you reframed
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from, like, staying out in the sun too long, healthy lifestyle, zero stress.
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You were just getting, like, you had servants that were fanning you with, like, a palm tree
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branch, and they were feeding you grapes and shit.
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You're still just naturally through the aging process, wrinkles, et cetera.
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And then most people don't go through 10 years without no stress whatsoever.
02:10:06.040
I also wanted to check into this a little more, because since we've been over this, I
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don't know how many times, but how many different women have very similar answers.
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So I went, and I went back and looked at legends, folk legends about the fountain of youth, right?
02:10:21.660
And I found hundreds, hundreds of legends about a fountain where you go in, or something
02:10:26.380
similar to this, where it reverses the aging process.
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Couldn't find any about a fountain of age, or people seeking to age their bodies.
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Could basically find almost no folklore on that.
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A couple of stories, but usually it was, like, evil and nefarious, right?
02:10:45.260
Why would you guys think that would be, that people would always be seeking to reverse
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the aging process, but they're never seeking to accelerate it?
02:11:05.120
And the association, then, for why men would be attracted to younger women is because they're
02:11:13.980
The general kind of idea that men are attracted to younger women is because they have beauty,
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Also, I mean, on top of that, if you look at products, they tend to attempt to repair
02:11:33.960
There is no cream out there for women that will give you wrinkles.
02:11:40.740
So, it's like, well, you wrinkle as you get older, but you're trying to fight against
02:12:19.700
If it's through subs, donations, or a combination of both.
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The best way you can support the Crucible is to become a member of the
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And, yeah, I mean, if you just want to support, honestly, just watching.
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And if you feel inclined to, you know, send in a super or TTS, I'm super
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But, yeah, honestly, liking the video, watching the video, et cetera.
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Redhead, you are barely three, so STF you, please.
02:13:03.180
I'm not a psycho, and I want to see what you look like.
02:13:12.120
They're not – I don't know why they're only showing up for a very short
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And then we have – I'm going to pull up the Super Nick.
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Billium of the Mars, Delusional Ginger, the only scale you're going to break
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Please eat a salad and run on the treadmill for once.
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I do go to the gym, and I do eat fairly healthy, but you have PCOS, or you did.
02:13:53.800
All right, Billium, the Mars, thank you for the super chat, I guess.
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You had some tweets that I thought were interesting, and we're going to pull those up.
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Actually, Nick, before we do really quick, let me just do a quick little check, double-checky.
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Can you just double-check them all really quick, make sure they're all okay?
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Guys, if you want, get a TTS in, get a read in.
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Yeah, I'm in a shitty mood, and I want to take it out on a stupid man.
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I'm in the mood to cause permanent damage to your bank account and your balls.
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I actually had a dude give me a fair amount of money to make a custom clip talking about
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how I wanted to make him infertile and render his balls useless.
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I mean, I believe in, like, rights for women, sure, but, like, would I call myself a feminist?
02:15:39.280
We'll get through all the tweets, and then we can...
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I love going to the pool at my apartment because heads always turn when I walk in.
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Doesn't matter if you consider yourself a fin sub or not.
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It may make me laugh every now and then, but I think I'm funnier, so...
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I honestly think if a man were to get shot in the front lines, a woman would be able to pick
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I'm just saying that you're, like, kind of erasing the fact that there are women that
02:16:58.460
I never said that there aren't women, but honestly, do you ever see a woman, construction
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worker, a woman on the skyscraper building cleaning the windows?
02:17:06.980
Do you ever see a woman out on the streets working on the pavement?
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Women choose to be in different, like, easier job titles.
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They have to do these hard jobs, because who else is going to do it?
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We're not going to actually choose to be an electrician.
02:17:39.800
If you had to choose between being an electrician or being an at-home wife, you're going to
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I think it's also a lot of how, like, men and women are raised.
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Like, men are taught from a young age how to fix things and stuff like that, whereas, like,
02:17:53.180
I mean, my dad taught me how to fix a lot of things.
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We can still definitely do it, but we're not going to choose to do it.
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It's also not instilled in us from a young age.
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Like, it is for men, so it comes more naturally to them, I would say.
02:18:03.460
Well, I don't think you should generalize that.
02:18:08.300
I'm not going to lie, but there are women that do fix cars, that do woodwork, that do
02:18:21.060
Would you, like, honestly, if I were to choose between a man or a woman to babysit my child,
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We just have, like, there's certain things I would trust women to do better than men.
02:18:29.920
Hey, Nick, can you go into the infographics tab?
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I was just going to say that when it comes to, like, certain job titles, I mean, we would
02:18:44.540
I mean, I would trust a man to save me if someone were to break into my house.
02:18:47.860
I mean, I know how to shoot a gun, but I'd rather a man try to jump in front of the bullet
02:18:53.120
I agree with that, but also, who do you think is breaking into your house, a man or a woman?
02:18:58.160
A man, but who else are we going to need to, like, get rid of that guy?
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Like, I mean, not everyone, I just think it's pretty stupid to just assume, to just think
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I just said that it is capable that women can do this stuff.
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It is, but, I mean, you wouldn't, you'd prefer a man to protect you.
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A man would rather prefer a man to protect them.
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Because you, aren't you just going to point you to outliers?
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Because there's outliers, there's exceptions to the rule.
02:19:44.840
Yo, Robert Tanner thinks you have a gift of 50 memberships.
02:19:49.560
I mean, these are the top 20 most dangerous U.S. occupations.
02:19:53.540
So, if you look at the far right, the percentage mail, logging workers, fishing workers, aircraft pilots, roofers, refuse collectors, truck drivers, iron and steel workers, farmers and ranchers, agricultural workers, recyclable material workers, mining, landscaping, construction workers, cement and concrete manufacturing, electrical, power line workers,
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police, police, maintenance and repair workers, tax drivers, tax drivers, tax drivers, chauffeurs, support activities for mining, mining.
02:20:27.520
So, if you bring that back up real quick, Nick.
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If you look at taxi drivers and chauffeurs, you'll note that in comparison to most of that chart, there's actually quite a few more women than you would think.
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If you had to guess why women would enter into that occupation to the point where it would drop it from the 95 percentile down to 85 percent, why do you think that would be?
02:20:59.720
Do you think maybe it's because driving is really fucking easy and the entry, the barrier to entry is really low to just drive?
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I mean, I think there's more to it than driving.
02:21:12.740
If you were to go over, for instance, to roofing, you see how that's 98.3 percent and fishing workers, 99.9 percent.
02:21:19.400
Do you say that those have a massive barrier to entry based on physical qualities, characteristics, and knowledge versus driving a taxi?
02:21:30.120
So, the thing is, is that even in these professions where you see that men are not in this 90th percentile, you see the barrier for entry physically would be far, far, far less, and that's why.
02:21:42.440
So, that's why these distinctions, when you point out outliers of women, can sometimes do X.
02:21:46.480
Nobody disagrees that women can sometimes do X.
02:21:53.400
I mean, a lot of the times, who else is going to bring, like, we have kids that we have to take care of.
02:21:57.700
We're not going to be able to go mining or do any of the stuff the guys are doing.
02:22:04.960
But didn't I just say that men are providers, so they should be doing these jobs?
02:22:08.800
Like, it shouldn't, like, I mean, if a woman wants to, by all means, go for it.
02:22:13.100
But I'm just saying, men are providers, so go do that job.
02:22:19.080
Well, you said that that's all they're good for.
02:23:00.000
Can you play a tune and show us how talented you are?
02:23:05.500
But you're an amazing goddess, talented goddess.
02:23:07.560
I am talented, but I also don't really want to, like, serenade a bunch of people that
02:23:12.480
I don't know if men are so useless that their only job is to be providing for you.
02:23:19.480
Like, I don't know what you're really bringing to the table.
02:23:21.800
You're just kind of consuming resources, right?
02:23:29.400
It means I don't know what you're doing to help assist with the building of society.
02:23:34.840
The answer that I could be domesticated and I can cook and clean and do all that, I
02:23:43.280
What I'm asking is what value are you bringing to society?
02:24:08.600
Life is always better when you have a male punching bag to abuse whenever you need it.
02:24:13.200
And you're referencing these mentally ill men that you take advantage of.
02:24:29.160
I mean, you have to understand this is an account that's based on kink.
02:24:38.720
Does this just work or do you actually really think that?
02:24:43.840
Sometimes I say stuff that might have a little bit of truth behind it.
02:24:55.360
So, is that the character you're playing or is that you?
02:24:58.000
I mean, I don't really think I play a character.
02:25:10.860
So, when you say to abuse, how do you abuse your male punching bags?
02:25:18.700
I've like kicked a guy in the balls and he's enjoyed it.
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We'll get through all of them and then I'll give my.
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It's always the fugliest normie man that assumes I'm a witch and that I'd ever waste my energy doing a spell on him.
02:26:01.060
Like, I think, like, spells, like, I mean, anyone can do a spell without outwardly saying they're doing a spell.
02:26:09.540
Like, so what would, if you're casting a spell, what would be a spell that you would cast?
02:26:32.300
But, I mean, do you ever cast a negative spell?
02:26:40.580
Well, you say you cast a spell of abundance, right?
02:26:43.760
Okay, so let us assume that you cast a spell for more money.
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How could you ever receive more money without somehow interfering with the will of other people who ordinarily would not produce whatever the situation would be necessary for you to get that money?
02:27:00.520
Well, so, like, let's, for instance, pretend that you're in front of your altar and you cast a spell for a bike.
02:27:05.200
Well, unless you believe that the clouds are just going to open up and drop a bike, I assume that you think a bike will come to you through some other mechanism.
02:27:17.160
So, if somehow this bike gets to you and it ordinarily would not have gotten to you absent this spell, how would you not be affecting other people's wills?
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I mean, I'm not affecting other people's wills because it's just a means for me to get closer to what I want.
02:27:30.880
Like, how is that affecting someone else's will?
02:27:34.500
So, let us assume for a second you wanted a glass of water that you would not ordinarily get.
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Your neighbor comes over and he gives you a glass of water, right?
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He ordinarily would not have given you the glass of water absent the spell or you wouldn't need the spell.
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I mean, maybe he just wanted to give me a glass of water.
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If it does work, then I don't see how you get around the fact that you are affecting people's will.
02:28:08.540
I don't know how manifesting abundance for myself, which is very vague, honestly, would interfere with someone else's will.
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Because I don't know how you would get the abundance, right, in any other way than affecting people's will.
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Or I don't see why you would need the spell to begin with.
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This is the big downfall and pitfall of the logic of magic.
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It's why out of all religious practices it makes the least amount of sense.
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Because magicians and witches always say that they practice white magic, the magic of abundance or growing or nurturing.
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But I don't see how you actually could do that without affecting the will of the things that are around you.
02:28:47.800
How do you know that it's not the will of those things to be affected, though?
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If it's the will of those things to be affected, why do you need the spell?
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I don't even know if I can make this make sense, but it makes sense in my head.
02:29:12.060
It was the will that she was going to do the spell to then impact the will.
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So it's still impacting, but it's still impacting the will.
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Prayer, you're asking God for something in his will, not trying to change the will of someone else.
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But I never said I was trying to change the will of someone else.
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So when you're praying to God, the assumption is God is omnipotent.
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So when you're praying, you're only asking to execute the will of God, never the will of you.
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Never the will of anybody other than the being of God itself.
02:30:02.520
Sometimes it's the idea of this universal constant, which then delivers the thing unto you that you want.
02:30:15.360
I have never been able to rationally figure out how that could be possible without affecting the will of other people.
02:30:21.040
And then how do you think, like, meditation plays into that?
02:30:26.040
Because, well, I guess, are we talking about impacting the will of ourselves or others?
02:30:32.060
Well, she was asking for abundance, so that would be the will of others.
02:30:38.820
That could be literally giving me the strength to go another level and do something for myself.
02:30:43.460
Like, I never said I was going to affect the will of others.
02:30:47.680
Well, no, I don't see how you would receive abundance, though.
02:30:51.240
But I said specifically externally, ever, externally, unless you were affecting the will of other people.
02:30:59.400
So, well, maybe you just have a small new brain.
02:31:02.340
If you just say, well, I light a candle so that I get up and I'm motivated to go to the gym the next day, right?
02:31:08.480
Fine, I guess, but I don't even know why that would require a spell, exactly.
02:31:16.980
Everyone ages in their own spiritual practices.
02:31:19.240
Wouldn't it you call more it manifesting, then, than a spell?
02:31:35.300
Well, then if you're manifesting, then I just don't see how you would manifest X thing, external, dominating, external will.
02:31:51.240
I actually just need you to agree to agree or give me an argument for how I'm wrong.
02:31:58.480
I told you that I'm not affecting the will of others.
02:32:04.820
So you only do spells and say specifically that this spell is for personal motivation, to do X thing and make it happen.
02:32:19.160
I mean, I don't know why it's such a big deal, to be honest.
02:32:24.000
Well, I only would think it was a big deal if a person ordinarily would not think that it was okay to affect the will against other people's will.
02:32:32.660
Didn't I just say in that tweet, though, that I wouldn't waste my time even trying to affect the will of him or said person, whoever I was talking about?
02:32:40.400
Yeah, but that might be a different way that you view that situation than you do magic or witchcraft.
02:32:51.220
So, no, it's not, it's not actually, though, an argument to say, well, no, I only do it as a manifestation of things which will come from me.
02:32:59.680
Unless you're telling me you only make spells and craft them and pray to whatever the thing is that you're praying to for self-motivation to actualize things from your own personal perspective, which I doubt.
02:33:11.920
I mean, again, it's meditation, it's just sitting there, focusing my thoughts, pinpointing what I want to work on, manifesting, like you said.
02:33:28.560
Well, how do you manifest stuff you want without affecting external wills?
02:33:37.380
I don't give a shit if you have a will, which ordinarily would not be affected by me, that I affect to get the shit I want.
02:33:49.600
Like, what if we were to take this on, like, a positive note, though?
02:33:52.740
Because, like, when people meditate, oftentimes it's with good intentions to impact others and to impact their will.
02:34:00.480
So, what she's talking about is different than meditation, though.
02:34:05.080
But hang on, but I want to engage directly with what you're saying, because you're making a good point, right?
02:34:10.740
What if the will I have is positive on somebody else?
02:34:13.160
So, let me give you a demonstration of how I think that you wouldn't really believe this, okay?
02:34:18.140
So, if you were to, let's say, do something horrible to your partner from their perspective, but from your perspective, it was, you're only doing this thing as a way to be positive.
02:34:32.960
But from their perspective, it was awful, right?
02:34:36.140
An example of this might be something as simple as, I don't know, slipping their medication into, you know, into their drink at night so that they were taking their medication, let's say.
02:34:49.480
To engage with this directly, I would like to know, isn't it also true that if somebody doesn't want their will affected, and you affect it even if your intention is positive, that you would still think that that was kind of fucked up or wrong in some way?
02:35:03.040
Well, I suppose what I'm, maybe, because what I'm thinking more is, like, if you take it from a perspective, if you're looking from, like, a spiritual perspective and meditating, like, I wouldn't, I'm not talking about slipping a pill in anyone's drink to help them out.
02:35:21.900
No, I'm just giving you an example of how you can have a positive intention.
02:35:25.800
But your positive intention, if you are affecting the will of somebody else, right, from, even from your perspective, I think you wouldn't think that was okay.
02:35:40.280
I'm just thinking more about spiritual practice with meditation and, like, but I don't, we don't really need to get into a whole, like, religious, spiritual thing.
02:35:55.800
Or, sorry, you should say it in your own words.
02:36:00.700
Now, does this, does this extend beyond the finndom?
02:36:04.240
Like, in a general sense, do you love hurting men?
02:36:06.960
I mean, if I'm, if I have a partner, I would never want to hurt him.
02:36:09.900
No, what about, it's not a partner, just eight men in general.
02:36:14.080
I mean, if they're not getting into the kink, then no, I don't really, like, I don't sit here and I'm like, hmm, I just want to hurt someone today.
02:36:28.580
I do find it funny, but they're, they're giving into the kink.
02:36:32.980
I mean, this, this, but the tweet itself doesn't say any, anything about, like, here's an asterisk, disclaimer, this is specifically about a kink.
02:36:51.740
And I mean, anyone that's looking at my account usually is within the community, so they would have an understanding of that.
02:37:01.020
I mean, even in your profile, there's no such asterisk or disclaimer that says, by the way, these are satirical or this is only within the context of this kink.
02:37:13.840
Like, and even if, I mean, so you're not really disclaiming a way that you are talking about just all men in general.
02:37:24.320
If you want to look at that tweet and get offended, that is on your own volition.
02:37:28.800
Like, I'm not sitting here being like, who am I going to hurt today?
02:37:31.500
I mean, you don't think that that's an offensive thing to.
02:37:33.620
I mean, it sure is offensive, but people say offensive shit every day.
02:37:39.880
Like, what if it said, what if a guy tweeted, I mean, I love to hurt woman?
02:37:44.460
Then you, I mean, everyone has the ability to argue against something.
02:37:53.780
Well, I'm just looking for a concession that it has absolutely nothing to do with your kink.
02:37:58.440
And this is actually just how you genuinely view men.
02:38:10.240
I mean, I'm into it in an extent of, like, it's a practice.
02:38:16.660
Like, if you're in a dom space or, like, for some, a sub space.
02:38:22.360
But it doesn't mean you're into it all day, every day.
02:38:25.980
They leave sub space where they work in the military.
02:38:28.860
I have plenty of subs that have done, you know, pretty important, like, crazy jobs.
02:38:41.320
I'm also into, you know, like, the humiliation.
02:38:46.460
So, you derive sexual pleasure by saying things on Twitter, such as, pull it up.
02:38:59.840
You derive sexual pleasure from either saying or doing those things.
02:39:04.320
I mean, if the situation is, like, a submissive is, like, getting off to that, then, yeah, I think it's hot.
02:39:14.580
So, you're deriving pleasure simply by virtue of saying that.
02:39:23.540
So, if somebody had a kink, for example, where they, because, like, I don't think you can explain away behavior purely, and here's the pretext or justification of a behavior.
02:39:38.100
There are certain things that are, can just be deemed objectively wrong.
02:39:47.060
What if somebody derives sexual pleasure from hurting animals?
02:39:50.500
How is this any different than you saying you like hurting men?
02:39:56.220
Because there are men, and men, a lot of men like hurting women, so.
02:40:07.060
Well, so your justification is, well, men do bad things, so I can also do bad things to perhaps even innocent men, because there's bad men out there who do bad things.
02:40:46.680
She brought up, she brought up like the kill shot here.
02:40:57.660
Okay, well then it can't just be marketing if you do believe this.
02:41:11.180
I mean, sure, you could call it not just marketing.
02:41:13.460
But in that sense, where I'm tweeting something general like that, that's marketing.
02:41:26.840
Yeah, in a context of BDSM, I enjoy humiliating men, yeah.
02:41:33.880
I mean, in my everyday life, I'm not going to go up to a man and be like,
02:41:36.320
you're fucking ugly, like, fuck you, like, for no reason.
02:41:46.020
Is this, sorry, is this account, though, specific to that?
02:41:49.960
Yeah, I don't use that account for anything else.
02:41:57.900
I mean, that's a really easy way to try to, like, shield from what we're trying to get at here.
02:42:03.920
But so when it comes to the marketing component, in the example I previously provided,
02:42:07.860
where if somebody was sexually gratified by harming animals, if they just defended it
02:42:13.780
while it's marketing, that still is not a defense to the abuse of animals.
02:42:33.020
But you're, so you're comparing, though, and maybe you're not.
02:42:36.620
Maybe you're just comparing general belief system, but you're comparing, like, hurting
02:42:40.460
men to hurting animals, whereas, like, hurting men in the context of sex is, like, a thing.
02:42:49.260
You're just making it, like, that's the personal preference?
02:42:51.900
Actually, he's kind of going with what you're saying here.
02:42:54.660
So Brian's, again, just trying to untangle the ideas.
02:42:58.800
So to untangle it is the idea here that this is just a character.
02:43:04.680
And if you're just playing a character, fine, right?
02:43:08.860
You're playing a character, and that's all you're doing.
02:43:11.840
But it seems every time we lean into, is this just a character, we get, no, this are actually
02:43:19.720
I mean, obviously, you can call it a character if you want.
02:43:22.020
I mean, there are men that I enjoy humiliating, like, in person.
02:43:31.340
I said, get the fuck out of my fucking picture, bitch.
02:43:33.060
Like, you know, I thought it was funny, and it was.
02:43:37.640
Yeah, I mean, I could see that being funny, to tell somebody to get the fuck out of your
02:43:42.920
I'm just, but what we're asking here, is this you, or is this a character that you are
02:43:50.160
I would say it is a character, 85% based on who I am.
02:43:56.660
So then, I guess the last question, I'm going to try to give you the easiest out possible.
02:44:01.620
So, if there was never money exchanged in hands again, right, would you do this for fun?
02:44:14.380
Like, so, it would depend, but no, I probably wouldn't give out free kink for no money.
02:44:25.480
I mean, personally, I wouldn't want to be partnered with someone like that.
02:44:31.180
I want to be partnered with someone that's confident.
02:44:40.820
I've got the kill shots on this side of the table tonight.
02:44:43.520
I'm still not convinced that it's a character, though.
02:44:47.620
I mean, I just think this is just your genuine self.
02:44:57.020
I mean, you can believe what you want to believe about me.
02:45:00.460
There's plenty of people in my life that can attest to my great character.
02:45:10.600
Maybe there wouldn't be a loneliness epidemic for men
02:45:13.420
if they all knew their place as inanimate objects
02:45:30.580
Because it's just like a kind of outrageous statement to me.
02:45:40.220
Do you genuinely believe that that's all that men are good for?
02:45:54.960
Because, honestly, like, realistically, if a man were to see that,
02:45:58.000
all the tweets that you post up, and you say, this is my job,
02:46:00.840
he's just only going to use you just to have sex with you.
02:46:08.380
But once you get older, you're going to start to feel a lot more lonely
02:46:11.160
when you start seeing all your friends, all your families settling down
02:46:20.700
I won't because I can vicariously live through them, you know,
02:46:27.520
Like, I don't need to have kids to feel fulfilled.
02:46:30.680
That's what makes women feel the most fulfilled.
02:46:35.780
Like, when women meet up with each other, one of the first,
02:46:38.860
especially if you're married and you have kids, how are the kids doing?
02:46:42.200
I mean, I saw Mike at his basketball tournament.
02:46:46.620
And the guys will talk about whatever the guys want to talk about,
02:46:49.280
Whenever women meet up and they have families, that's what we talk about.
02:46:58.620
That's just what's going to make us feel whole.
02:47:02.140
Okay, well, I have decided that I don't want children.
02:47:11.660
And if a man decides to come along, which that's actually not true.
02:47:14.720
There's plenty of women in this industry that are married,
02:47:29.720
It's going to be a different perspective for everyone.
02:47:31.820
I mean, I think to say that what you think is just fact,
02:47:37.440
that's what's going to make every woman feel fulfilled.
02:47:49.400
But if you don't have children, you don't have a man,
02:47:58.220
Because on your dying bed, you want to see all that you created,
02:48:05.280
They're all surrounding you on your last moments.
02:48:12.340
Like, you don't ever want to have to be in that position.
02:48:16.900
Like, I also, I'm choosing not to be in a relationship.
02:48:20.680
There's plenty of guys that I've been seeing that I've been like,
02:48:23.960
hmm, don't really think I see a future with you.
02:48:30.920
things haven't worked out with and it's kind of a, whatever,
02:48:37.180
But I'm just saying, I don't feel like I need to be with a man
02:48:41.180
And I know plenty of women that are in their 30s, 40s, 50s
02:48:46.040
that don't have partners or children and they're just fine.
02:48:52.060
Those types of women are going to keep women like us,
02:48:57.460
They want to see other women unhappy just like them.
02:48:59.640
I guarantee you what they want is that man and the kids.
02:49:02.140
They weren't able to get it because of their own bad decision making.
02:49:05.680
Yeah, but this is a podcast about straight couples.
02:49:10.120
But at the end of the day, a man and a woman together,
02:49:25.720
I think it's, like, you can still create fulfillment.
02:49:28.940
Can I ask if you've ever had a span of time where you haven't been searching for a relationship
02:49:34.380
or wanting something and, like, genuinely just sat with yourself and figured out what
02:49:44.380
But I'm not seeking out a relationship right now.
02:49:52.460
But I don't really place much importance upon them unless they prove to me that they are important.
02:49:57.280
So if you met a guy that was the one, and he said, you need to take all that stuff down,
02:50:06.060
Wait, do you not, you said you don't place much importance on men.
02:50:09.820
I mean, but removing it from the sort of micro level in terms of romantic prospects here,
02:50:17.180
you would at least admit that on a societal level, and I'm not even talking for reproduction,
02:50:27.420
I mean, I guess if you want to get, like, scientific about it, sure, you need men to reproduce.
02:50:40.480
I mean, I think that men are valuable in the sense that they provide.
02:50:57.660
So you're saying if a guy doesn't provide for me, like, money, resources, right?
02:51:02.800
Now, they might be providing in some sort of way that you're not aware of.
02:51:10.000
So men are unilaterally responsible for every bit of comfort and security that you're currently ungratefully enjoying.
02:51:28.520
Are we going to get into, like, the if all men disappeared thing?
02:51:35.880
So, essentially, like, everything that allows your life to be comfortable, men are unilaterally responsible for that.
02:51:53.320
Well, I think when you say providing, you're talking about, like, a sort of direct financial compensation to you.
02:51:59.960
I mean, like, providing, you know, a house to live in.
02:52:03.660
And I don't even mean that in the financial aspect.
02:52:08.700
Providing, you know, safe infrastructure, et cetera, et cetera.
02:52:19.200
You're a hopeless, pathetic gooner under the spell of dominant brats.
02:52:31.460
That might have been directed towards a specific person.
02:52:37.680
Like, if you hire a domi mommy, I think you're just a fucking gooner.
02:52:50.740
The only time I will ever be mean to another woman is if she disrespects me or someone I love.
02:53:19.680
What's the male versus female clientele at the bar?
02:53:50.060
But I would say, in my world with men, you're guilty until proven innocent.
02:54:09.060
If men in your life have always treated you right or treated you kind, you wouldn't be
02:54:34.440
Just every other man except your immediate family, they're not valuable unless they're
02:54:39.420
They're not valuable until they prove to me that they're valuable.
02:54:55.820
I mean, I don't really look to men for support.
02:55:02.000
You know, if you need to buy groceries, they're supporting your habits with food and all that.
02:55:12.880
Yeah, but you even said a couple minutes ago you wouldn't stop your profession even if a
02:55:18.100
You need those simp-ass men, those weak-ass dudes, to pay your rent, to feed you, to
02:55:24.880
Well, you know what's funny is that I enjoy the community.
02:55:31.700
But there's other women in that community that I really respect and I enjoy.
02:55:43.200
I was going to say, as you get older, you're going to see...
02:55:45.200
You're going to drop a lot of your old friends.
02:55:48.480
I have plenty of friends that I've been friends with for, like, 10 plus years now.
02:56:00.280
What you're doing is not something that you'd actually show to your parents.
02:56:08.680
There's no way you're actually happy with that.
02:56:14.140
I've done music videos that I shouldn't have done that I'm not happy with.
02:56:17.800
We're not all happy with the things and the choices that we've done in our lives.
02:56:21.040
I'm not happy that I've stolen from Walmart in the past.
02:56:27.600
Do you ever wake up, like, just tired of hating men?
02:56:37.520
Do you think that part of why you're single or have, like, a harder time dating men is
02:56:43.980
Well, you said it hasn't worked out or, like, it hasn't been the one that you're looking
02:56:48.860
But do you think it's because the kind of men that you attract?
02:56:51.460
I mean, sure, I might attract some shitty men, as all of us probably have.
02:57:10.020
They would have wiped you if they were okay with it.
02:57:13.020
I'm not out here being like, please, choose me, pick me.
02:57:37.120
And then the women who are bitter about it are like, yeah, pick them.
02:57:43.340
Yeah, it seems like it works out really well for the pick me's.
02:57:46.720
Because not only are they the ones who get picked, because they're pick me's,
02:57:50.400
but then the women who are always seething go, yeah, you need to pick them.
02:57:54.340
So, it's like, it just works out double well for them.
02:58:10.340
I mean, not sure if much explanation is needed on that one.
02:58:14.720
I mean, that's, like, kind of regurgitated from the other type of shit.
02:58:20.520
Men fear me because I'm hotter, funnier, smarter, and more interesting than them and their wives.
02:58:29.720
I mean, that's playing into the kink, honestly.
02:58:32.980
Like, I'm not really into the home-wrecking stuff, but I was playing into the kink that day.
02:58:37.540
So, you never willingly knew that you were messing with a guy that was married?
02:58:41.000
I mean, a lot of these guys are probably married.
02:58:46.660
I'm literally, like, I can't help that this is what they're into.
02:59:02.360
It makes you happy seeing people with wives beat into their fetishes.
03:00:06.400
Well, she had ja gesagt, dass die Männer sich aussuchen, auch wenn sie verheiratet sind,
03:00:18.320
Aber sie muss ja nicht, wenn sie verheiratet sind, sollte sie trotzdem Nein dazu sagen.
03:00:48.380
I really have only been in the mood to play Fortnite and make men cry lately.
03:01:06.960
It's kind of sad when you think about the fact that the patriarchy literally indoctrinates
03:01:21.520
So, why don't we get into the patriarchy stuff, and then we'll get into more actual dating
03:01:30.220
You know, the patriarchy has a lot to do with dating.
03:01:34.820
So, I asked earlier if you consider yourself a feminist.
03:01:46.520
Because you, oh my God, I'm having like a stroke tonight or something.
03:02:02.320
Before I have you answer that, I do want to ask everybody at the table.
03:02:06.580
I don't know what, I didn't sleep well tonight, yesterday.
03:02:13.100
So, just going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
03:02:25.000
People who say they're feminists and like want equality always talk about how women should
03:02:32.520
But like they don't consider that there's low jobs that like they should also have if
03:02:39.140
Like, ain't no girl out there flashing her titties in a park for equality.
03:02:45.200
Like, you got a lot of public flashers that are dudes.
03:02:47.840
Like, I'm interested in seeing a woman, you know, take that stand.
03:02:51.920
I mean, a ton of women do march in the nude for women's rights.
03:02:56.920
I'm saying like public flasher, public masturbator, like where are we at, you know?
03:03:43.680
The system of beliefs held by men who are, you know, overly in power to basically just
03:03:54.980
set the, their standard of what society should be based off their beliefs of, you know.
03:04:05.540
Are they, and are they in power because they're men?
03:04:20.480
But, I mean, do you think it might have more to do with, like, their class or status than
03:04:28.200
I think it usually starts with them having a penis.
03:04:31.220
I think they will get ahead in life a lot easier if they're men.
03:04:44.060
Like, to be quite honest with you, we could get into clubs without having to pay for shit.
03:04:47.580
We could get bottle service without having to pay for anything.
03:04:55.900
If a woman cannot do the exact same amount of work as a man, you can't expect that one
03:05:00.600
If a woman construction worker and a man construction worker were working right now together, the
03:05:05.120
man is carrying 100 pounds of weight, the woman could only carry 50, why the hell would
03:05:09.020
Why, what about a man who's an executive and a woman who's an executive?
03:05:16.500
If that woman is an executive, and let's say she gets pregnant, should she deserve the
03:05:20.000
same amount of money as the man that's actually still going to be at work?
03:05:22.400
Besides, you're at the mercy of the firm's argument, which is, if it were true, that
03:05:27.860
what you're saying is true, that women who are not in these construction jobs and this
03:05:32.260
type of thing, but rather in kind of comfy AC related jobs, like the men, and they're
03:05:37.640
getting paid less than them, then why wouldn't a man create an entire firm of women and then
03:05:43.220
destroy their competition because they're now paying their staff way less?
03:05:49.620
But am I wrong that women get paid less than men?
03:05:58.420
So this is what I'm questioning is the basis for this case, right?
03:06:05.000
If it is, then why doesn't, why don't, why doesn't a woman even, or a man, just hire a
03:06:10.460
firm of these women and pay them less than the firm that are hiring men because they would
03:06:17.560
You tell me, I don't know, I'm not a dude, I'm not making that decision.
03:06:21.320
If I hired a firm full of women, you bet I would pay them just as much as I'm, like,
03:06:35.120
I mean, I don't know who's been paying us less.
03:06:38.700
Well, then if it's men, then why wouldn't a man just have a firm of all women and pay
03:06:42.840
them less if they get the same amount of work out of them?
03:06:51.800
Why wouldn't a man have a firm of all women and pay them less?
03:06:57.060
I mean, because then they would destroy the competition who's paying the men more, right?
03:07:01.760
Okay, so, I mean, why don't we see that, then, if that's the case?
03:07:06.160
Because it's not the case that men are making more in those positions than women are.
03:07:11.000
If it was the case that you could pay women less to do the same job, then why wouldn't
03:07:15.860
you just make a firm and pay all of them way less for the same job?
03:07:22.000
So why don't you tell us what your sense of the wage gap is?
03:07:24.780
Because there's these numbers that get thrown around.
03:07:27.180
Women make 77 cents on the dollar as compared to men.
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Is that what you're talking about when you say the wage gap?
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Something like that, and then women of color make even less.
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The pay scale website on the wage gap, and then there's also, just do Google pay scale wage
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gap, and then also in the infographics folder, there is the, hold on, there's the wage
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folder, and in it, you mentioned women, you mentioned in women of color, so Nick, you're
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going to pull up just, it's in the wage gap folder, the Asian women one, but it's not
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number two, it's the one in the middle with the more straight, the straight lines.
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Do the Asian women first, then we'll do pay scale.
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This is the median weekly earnings of full-time workers, white men versus Asian women.
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So, my understanding of how this is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, they just take
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all the earnings of men, all the earnings, excuse me, all the earnings of white men compared
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Now, these are all full-time workers, mind you.
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Now, the wage gap that you referenced earlier, that encompasses all the money that men bring
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So, it could be making a comparison of a woman who has a part-time job as a barista, and part
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of that data is also comparing it to men who work on oil rigs, who get hazard pay.
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And then, where are you guys pulling your stuff from?
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Pay scale is a fairly, it's actually pretty, I think it's actually pretty left-leaning.
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You might even be able to right-click, and I don't know if it's an image.
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So, the uncontrolled gender pay gap, which is what you're talking about.
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Women earn 83 cents for every $1 earned by men.
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Or you're including, like, part-time and all that.
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Well, this is where you're not factoring, you're not controlling for anything.
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So, it's all the money that women make, all the money that men make.
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But it's not factoring in for the fact that, for example, men, all men, collectively, work more hours than women.
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They're more likely to work hazard pay, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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So, this measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications.
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So, if you actually control for each of these things and you start removing these variances, like hours worked, different job field, different choices, it shrinks down to 99 cents.
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Just out of curiosity, I always wondered this question.
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Even if it were true that men who owned firms of some type or another did hire women at a lesser wage than they hired men, who the fuck cares?
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If they're just like, I just don't want these fucking women to make as much as the men that I hire.
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Because he doesn't value women as much as he values men.
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Even if it's the same labor, he just doesn't value it as much.
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Well, then I think that says something about how he values women.
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Like, why would it be immoral, for instance, if you owned a business, you said, right?
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Why would it actually be immoral for you to be like, I just don't want to fucking hire men at all.
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I just don't want to even fucking hire them because I don't like their faces.
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Why would that even be actually immoral or problematic?
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I think it's problematic because you're not considering different perspectives that can contribute to the work that you're doing.
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Why do you need to consider other perspectives?
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Like, if you found a business, right, and you built it up for 10 years, and you're going to start hiring people.
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I was thinking about this, and I was trying to figure out what's actually immoral about that.
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I mean, I guess I just think it speaks to, like, the person's values, essentially.
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The reason these feminists and angry women are so upset is because they don't have a man to tell them to calm down and relax.
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Yeah, so I was just wondering if you could elucidate me, why you would actually think that that was immoral.
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Well, because you're saying, I don't like women.
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I don't want, like, that's such a, like, I don't think that that's, like, good moral standards.
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It's just, like, it kind of relates to all the shit that we've been talking about with her and how she wants to hurt men and shit, right?
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Yeah, I mean, maybe not, but let us assume that a man goes, you know, a woman's labor, right?
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It's worth as much as a man's insofar as the labor she actually does and the labor he's actually doing is about the same.
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But they just cause so many fucking problems, right?
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They're always at the HR department because they got too flirty with a guy at work.
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They're just a pain in the fucking ass to deal with.
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And if I have an all-male workforce, I don't have to deal with any of those fucking problems.
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That seems like it's a really justified and reasoned reason.
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Are you saying that all women are like that and that women are just causing problems in the workplace?
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Because I don't think that I've ever been like that in the workplace.
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I'm going to actually assume most women aren't like that.
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But I'm going to assume that there's enough of them that are that you're still gambling.
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And that if it's even 20%, I can understand the rationale and could not say it was immoral for a person to be like,
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yeah, I don't want to fucking deal with all that.
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But I could see that if someone was like, oh, I just don't want to hire them.
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But if it was like, oh, I'm going to hire them.
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But I'm paying them less because I think that they're doing more complaints.
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I think that, sorry, I lost my train of thought.
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But I just don't think that, like, all women are just inherently, like, going to cause problems.
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And you're like, ah, you know, in this factory, right, I can have a hot dog put, or a guy put the fucking hot dogs on the little pallet, and then it goes up.
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But I never have to deal with the, ah, it's getting harassed.
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Do you think there's a little bit of inherent sexism, though, in that?
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Like, I think there's, like, a little bit of inherent sexism in your words.
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Why would that be a problem to be sexist under those circumstances?
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So, in other words, sexism itself, I'm not sure is immoral in and of itself if it's indicating a behavior that you're trying to avoid.
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Wouldn't it be sexist, for instance, for you, at night, to walk across the street if a group of men are moving towards you?
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Uh, yes, because I would not walk, I would not change what I was doing if I saw a group of women.
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If I saw a group of men, I would be a million times more likely than I'm going across the street.
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Well, in, for my own protection, in that case, I would say yes.
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For your own protection, in that case, yes, I will be sexist.
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Although, mine could be life or death, yours is not a life or death.
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Or, right, it could be the life and death of your business.
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And, yeah, that's basically to the financial ruination, your life, family, everything else.
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I agree that maybe the stakes are slightly higher from the physical aspect, but the principle is the same.
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I'm sexist towards this group because even though most people in this group aren't going to do this, enough of them will that I feel like crossing the street, probably a good idea.
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And do you think men would blame you for doing that?
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So, why would men get blamed for not wanting to hire women?
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Would you say that men do the, like, you're saying that, what did you say, 10 or 5% of women cause problems in the workplace?
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Well, we're just assuming it for, like, the sake of the hypothetical.
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What about the men that can't keep it in their pants at work?
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But are you going to have that problem if you have an all-male workforce?
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Yeah, but if it's an all-woman workforce, then you have catty backstabbing fucking all sorts of other issues.
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You don't have the, oh, my dick is bigger than yours.
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Do you think that at all-female private schools versus all-male private schools, there's more complaints from the students who are men or more complaints from the students who are girls?
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I think that girls are also just more vocal about it, though, their complaints.
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So if I have a workforce of men who have complaints but shut their fucking mouths about them versus a workforce of women who have complaints and don't, which one would I want to hire?
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Yeah, but I think the all-woman workforce and all-men workforce have an equal amount of problems.
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If you're saying that one of them's complaining constantly and the other one's not complaining constantly, that's already a huge problem.
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I don't think it's kind of a subtle type of mind, honestly.
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The workforce, I think there's some level of professionality that women have when it comes to working, that they're just not going to be sitting there complaining 24-7.
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Let's assume you had two different offices that you could choose from.
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I mean, at that point, it would be which one I would be happier with.
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Yeah, which one do you think you'd be happier with?
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I don't really think there's a difference to me.
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I mean, maybe if, like, the male one, because I'd feel like, oh, you know, I'm kind of special.
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But, like, that's it, because I'm the only woman that was hired.
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And you don't think that that would have anything to do with the fact that there would be way less catty bullshit, backstabbing, bitching, whining, complaining, telling you all about how she's a mean bitch.
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The second she walks out of the room to you, and you have drama clicks all over the place.
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Well, if you're one woman with a bunch of men, like, you're going to...
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I would feel way more comfortable with a bunch of women.
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Here's what happens on a construction site, right, or something like this.
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They're all fucking exhausted from working their asses off, and they don't have time to whine and complain and click and do all that shit.
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Inside of office spaces, sales spaces, things like that, yeah, there's a bit of that for men.
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But to say it's anywhere on par like it is for women, you talk to women who are in these sales jobs, and they're like, oh, my God, these fucking bitches are awful.
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If you're not part of the click, they're just horrible and sufferable.
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But I think that's, like, putting a very, like, big stigma on women.
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It is putting a very big stigma on, but the question is whether or not the stigma is deserved.
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I think especially that's, like, one thing that I would say I disagree with.
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The podcast, the women that are selected to usually be on this podcast are somewhat kind of like that and represent a different kind of, like, the more problematic side of women,
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which I agree a large majority of women can be problematic.
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Well, have they ever told you what it's like to work in the beauty industry?
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She was talking to me about how all the sororities girls come in, and they talk shit on each other, and she just hears it.
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The stigma exists specifically because of the application.
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So what I'm saying to you is, if she's willing to cross the street based on her sexism, there's this low percentage of men who are actually predatory.
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In fact, almost every man you walk by in the middle of the night is not going to do anything to you.
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Do I blame you for crossing the street, though?
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Because I can understand, I can rationalize in my brain why a woman would want to do that.
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She's walking down the street in the middle of the night under some circumstance across the street.
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But it's equally rational to me then to say, okay, if I had a firm, right, and there was some inbuilt sexism based around the stigma, would it be rational for me to only want to hire men?
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I think it's rational to say I only would want to hire men.
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I don't think it's immoral that a person would move down that thought pattern of I'll only hire X based on social stigmas, which can cause serious problems to their business for their own protection.
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I don't even disagree that the stigma is not partially deserved.
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I mean, I don't disagree with it, but I also think that there's a good majority of girls that aren't like that.
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There's plenty of men with the mean girl mentality, too.
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I mean, I work with, I would say, equally men and women, and usually it's the men that are starting the problems, and all the women that I work with have acknowledged this.
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We have our problems every now and then, but I would say, like, mostly it's the men that are causing problems, and they are just equally as catty.
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And maybe you're basing this off a standard of men pre-social media, perhaps.
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But I think with the way that men are socialized today, a lot of them are mean girls.
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I think it's also a big thing is that men probably have less problems with men than women have with women, if you get what I mean.
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Hang on, so that would be a justification for stigma, though.
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Yeah, I don't disagree, but also in a workplace where it's men and women, I feel like there'd be less problems than having a full male staff or a full woman staff.
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Do you think that there's less problems socially, if you send kids to an all-boys school and an all-girls school, than if you put them in a co-ed school?
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That's also because they're private schools, more funding and more...
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You have private co-ed schools you can compare it to.
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It would be different kinds of problems, though.
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Okay, let's go through what you think these different problems would be.
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I think women tend to, yes, have more catty drama and play more of a mental game with each other, but men are more likely to have physical altercations over something stupid.
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Women like being conniving catty bitches with each other.
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What's the difference between me being violent towards a man, but men being violent towards each other and making it okay?
03:25:14.000
Like, you're saying, like, men just like this shit.
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And as long as they're violent by consent, it's all good with you, right?
03:25:26.380
You can do whatever you want, as long as it's by consent.
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So, anyway, the point is, though, is that if I'm looking at the standard of understanding why you would want to cross the street, you'd have that innate sexism, which is put in you, that this person potentially could harm me greatly.
03:25:42.780
Then all I'm saying is that I understand why it is that men would have the same exact feeling, the opposite.
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I understand why men would adopt the, I don't go around women without another man or another woman present who I trust.
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Or I don't go to private lunches with women unless there's a woman with me.
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I mean, I guess it was not something I had ever thought of.
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But having this conversation, I definitely, like, there's things connecting in my brain that I'm like, ooh, that is really interesting.
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And, like, not a perspective I've thought of before.
03:26:21.020
Yeah, once you absent the propaganda and you just have the conversation.
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I think as a woman who has broken out of that, like, caddy, like, because I was, I was, I would say, like, as in high school, I would, like, say that I was one of those mean girls I was trying to get at the top of this food chain, whatever.
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But, like, I went through a lot of growth, especially in my early 20s.
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I, like, moved away, you know, and it's like I went on a very, like, spiritual path of growth out in nature.
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And, like, so hearing that, like, it is disheartening only the fact that, like, I don't believe that in a workplace I would cause problems.
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That, like, let's say that would be, like, my dream job.
03:27:05.380
But, like, someone is only going to be hiring men.
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Like, I wish that I would still be able to get that chance to prove myself.
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But that would be the same way that the men walking down the street who were just walking over to talk to you.
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I just want to prove to you that I'm not a horrible predator.
03:27:26.280
Yeah, you've got your mace ready, everything else, right?
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And you would rather go, I could let you prove it and take the risk.
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I think a good transition point here based off of the previous conversation.
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Would you rather be alone in a forest with a random man or a random bear, but...
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And it's either a totally random bear or a totally random man.
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Just a random man plucked from the United States.
03:31:48.260
As someone who goes out on solo trips out in nature, I feel that I could see both scenarios.
03:31:59.660
No, I really would want to try and connect with a bear, though, on a soul level.
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You guys are giving me the looks like I'm the craziest person of mine.
03:32:16.300
You can picture things in your head and then tell that to the animal.
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More like just obviously you can't communicate with words, you know what I'm saying?
03:32:35.740
Like it's like we all talk to our dogs, you know what I'm saying?
03:32:37.360
Like my dog can understand things, not every word that I'm saying.
03:32:43.880
I'm saying I would like for humans to like rebuild our connection with these other animals.
03:32:49.980
That like that would be my reasoning for being like that could be interesting.
03:32:52.880
But like in terms of survival, I would pick a male human.
03:32:56.180
But hang on because you brought up something else interesting I got to ask about.
03:32:59.260
Do you feel like you can have such a connection with an animal that the animal can actually
03:33:12.840
It's never been with words or her barking, you know what I'm saying?
03:33:15.100
But like I believe that there is a love between us.
03:33:17.740
Do you think that through this type of medium of communication that you can create consent
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Like consent as in like please don't kill me bear like that?
03:33:34.300
No, only because let's say a cub comes along or like something.
03:33:39.280
Like as soon as their instincts kick in, that animal could then obviously turn and be like
03:33:52.040
So you can't actually talk to them through telepathy?
03:34:00.460
I think I could look in an animal's eyes and like feel their essence.
03:34:16.420
You could be touched by a tree or a field and like you can get an essence or like a – the
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Like just like wow or like be touched by something.
03:34:27.640
Well, I understand you can partake in the essence of something.
03:34:31.680
That's a religious – deeply religiously rooted concept.
03:34:52.900
I think you can transform your own self-awareness though or your awareness of like your consciousness
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Or like just – like I've had deeply profound experiences in nature.
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I'm sitting on a rock and I'm like becoming acutely aware of my awareness.
03:35:23.980
I did shrooms once when I was 18 and that was –
03:35:27.880
It was like a crazy – yeah, that was a whole thing.
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And then like I microdosed on shrooms a few times, but like these experiences were all
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my solo trips out in nature from the summer to the summer.
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For survival, I'm going to go with a male human.
03:36:05.040
Because I love to talk to random people and it would never be boring when it was with
03:36:20.880
Because like even a man, you can defend yourself against a man to some extent.
03:36:23.920
You're not defending yourself against a bear at the end of the day.
03:36:25.880
I was actually thinking about this very thing you just said because we have so many people
03:36:32.000
But the question is random man, random bear, right?
03:36:34.880
But if you had a random man, actually the chances that you would get a man who is really
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physically fit and in the prime of their life would not be very high.
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And the chances that you would get a bear that can kill you is way higher.
03:36:51.240
I was also thinking from the means, like, I'm taller than most men.
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Like, I feel like I have to be the bandage here.
03:36:58.440
The chances that you would get randomly selected, since you have an aging population, which far
03:37:03.700
outnumbers now the non-aging population, the chance that you would get a man prime of
03:37:08.840
his life, physically fit, and wanted to do you harm for no particularly good reason
03:37:16.620
Like, that would be super low, whereas with the bear, the chances that if you were in
03:37:21.300
a confined space with a bear, confined, even a forest.
03:37:28.520
I do want to show you a video that we can perhaps pull up another time, and you can tell me if
03:37:31.900
you think this would be a good argument to make for future shows.
03:37:35.160
So, Nick, just play the video really quick, and I'll give the context for why I would show
03:37:40.120
So, just this segment here, when there's people, like, slowly moving in a car, and there's
03:37:45.980
just, like, a bear kind of chilling, and then that's pretty much the extent of the segment,
03:37:52.200
and, like, I think the way I would frame the argument, I know nobody here picked bear,
03:37:57.420
would be, well, if it was just a random man in place of that bear, would you be more likely
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to exit the vehicle if it's that bear who's just strolling along in that car, right, or
03:38:16.040
You're absolutely way more likely to get out of the car if it was a man than that bear.
03:38:21.060
I'm thinking in that specific area where you're in the car.
03:38:24.800
Well, you should just put up a, what you should do if you want it to really hit home,
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get another video of just a random guy walking across the street in the same scenario.
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Be like, which one would you get out of the car for?
03:38:36.040
But I would think most people, if they're in a car, if they're in a car, they would feel
03:38:41.160
far less safe exiting the vehicle in that scenario if it's just, like, stack of cars, whatever,
03:38:53.280
I thought that might be a good video for future episodes, but let me read a couple chats here.
03:38:58.200
We have, let me start with the Streamlabs ones.
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We have, I think we should have the Austrian girl read.
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That's been in, like, every grocery store in the 90s forever.
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The delusional redhead is only a dumb because men allow you to be a dumb.
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My life is settled, married, self-employed, so I'm not in the pool of marketing myself
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Diggers guessing you are a single, not laid to get in shape morally and physically.
03:41:23.000
I'm wondering if there's a way we can, wait, Nick, so you can actually just quickly resize
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So just like shift and then go into the corner.
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Isn't it shift to, like, make it so it doesn't change the, uh...
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Uh, all right, we're gonna have you read this one.
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Um, I will say, I will, things I don't agree with because it may make me money.
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Because I have no values, and money is my only God, because I have no virtue.
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Okay, we have Robert Tanner here coming in in just a sec.
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Andrew, can you please, back to, about objective truth.
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This is a huge comment, and hard of much of these arguments.
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Yeah, I know, but I don't know how to speak correctly.
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Uh, well, you can, but I'm not trying to make these streams, uh, philosophy heavy.
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So, we're just trying to get into the ideas around dating and this type of thing.
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Sometimes a bit of philosophy comes up, but I don't think you want to get into objective
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versus subjective morality in a dating podcast.
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In any case, Robert Tanner, thank you for the message, and thank you for your, uh, I think
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you sent in, sent in previously some gifted, uh, memberships on YouTube.
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She needs a break from her head being stuffed so far up there.
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So, we have some dating apps from the girls that we'll review.
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You wanted to talk about, or I don't know if you wanted to talk about dating as a bi woman.
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You got to really advocate for yourself and stay safe.
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Guys lie about shit, and they for sure don't get tested regularly.
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I just think, like, if you're going to sleep with someone, you can't trust on faith that they're being honest about whether they're clean.
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Did anybody send me pre-show notes, like, this morning?
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Locally, there's a lot of spots in Santa Barbara.
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I've traveled as far as, like, Templeton and Tuscadero.
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You think female comedians are as funny as male comedians?
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I don't think there are as many female comedians.
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I feel like a lot of, like, women comedians, it's more laughing at.
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Like, they kind of subject themselves to being laughing at.
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So here's my ultimate question to prove if this is true or not.
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In any part of your bit, or your act, right, do you bring up your vagina?
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Every time, well, every time I tune in to a female comic, they're always talking about
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Like, I mean, I have, like, files and files of jokes in my head.
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Sure, some of them are going to include my vagina.
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Like, just as I've seen dudes talk about their dick, I don't really feel like it's...
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Most of them talk about everything but their dick.
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I see, like, everything that nobody sees on TV.
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And, like, I can, like, there's a lot of dudes that talk about their dicks.
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Well, anyways, to get into your notes here, so you...
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Not to look past red flags under the guise of being progressive.
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So, I dated a guy very briefly who exhibited a lot of red flags very early on.
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So, like, for example, he told me he had four kids.
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I understand that anyone I date in my 30s is probably gonna have some kids.
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And then it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.
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Tinder isn't what it used to be during the COVID days.
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And you have a great trope you do about dating how guys are tired.
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Perhaps maybe more successful than I've ever been.
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Although I haven't really been on dating apps historically, like, for long periods of time.
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I guess success is what we, you know, define it as.
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But in terms of, like, getting hookups and meeting people I wanted to meet.
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Uh, basically, like, if a guy comes first, like, that's okay.
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Like, he just needs to, like, replace it with something.
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Because I'm really sick of getting an athlete's pussy.
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Because, like, it doesn't bomb in a crowd full of people.
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But I also don't start it by saying, this is a joke.
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Can you give us the really short version of the murder date?
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He said he, like, did real estate, which he found out later was not actually true.
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So, I don't know how he knew this property or could get into it.
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Either way, we drive up, like, a windy-ass road for, like, a long time,
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which at that point I was starting to get uncomfortable.
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And he's also just driving kind of, like, maniacally.
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I think the intention was, like, to have a, like, kind of romantic sunset date.
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But I just kept getting, like, terrible feelings.
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There's, like, this probably doesn't mean anything.
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There was, like, a jug of water in the back of his car.
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And, like, I don't know if there's, like, a shovel on the property or what.
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And so we walk into the house and it's, like, unfinished.
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And I look back and the door is, like, about to close.
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Like, this is the last time I'm ever going to see a door, basically.
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And I just, I freaked out and, like, told him I didn't, you know, to take me back.
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He just kept talking about how he was a good person, which I don't think ever helps in those situations.
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And I was, like, can you just give me some space?
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Like, it just, like, it looked like the scene out of a horror movie.
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And I, like, saw myself above, like, are you going to get murdered?
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And it's crazy because I found out later I'd met another girl that he, like, had done this with another girl and, like, taken her to the spot.
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I don't know who, I don't know whose property or if.
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I just remember, like, that beginning conversation about this.
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And I'm not proud of it because we did hook up later.
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But in the moment, I was, like, and maybe that's what made it hot later.
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Not, like, not my proudest hook up, but I felt way safer when I was.
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Was this the same day that you went down the windy road to the house, spooky house?
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You said, you said, of course, my dumb ass ended up hooking up with him anyways.
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I'm like, I don't know what about me says daddy.
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And then he calls me mommy, like, shortly after that.
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And I was like, do you just have, like, are you little, like.
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And then when I told him I didn't like it, he called me mommy.
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Why talk about getting porked by some potential serial killer when you have a boyfriend?
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Imagine clowning your man like that on a platform with millions watching.
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Am I only going to talk about my current relationship?
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I think I said something like, please don't call me that.
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Like he said, he texted me and asked if I wanted to hang out.
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By the way, Nick, remind me about the dating apps.
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You said hot takes on dating, love, and respect yourself enough to leave at the first red flag.
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Had some new, like, self-respect and self-worth.
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So, I'm just, like, you know, dating, going on dates.
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I had been seeing this guy for, I want to say, maybe, like, almost two months.
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We, like, made it known that we were, like, exclusively seeing each other.
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I don't know if we were, like, boyfriend and girlfriend yet.
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We were, like, oh, we were, like, exclusively seeing each other to see where this goes.
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And he's, like, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
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He, like, comes back with this, like, super bright red face.
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And he's, like, I just, I drank two beers, like, right before we walked in here.
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And then he's, like, and then that's why I, like, I accidentally texted you when I meant to text my brother.
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And then he's, like, yeah, like, I sent a text.
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It was supposed to go to my brother, but it went to you.
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And I'm, like, okay, like, just now in the bathroom.
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And then the text that he sent to me, which was supposed to go to his brother, quote, said, I can be there at 10 p.m., love.
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And we had probably, like, I want to say, like, three weeks before that, like, been, like, oh, this is going really well.
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Like, we're going to exclusively just see each other now.
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And so did you keep seeing him or was that the end?
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Oh, no, this is actually where it gets funnier on my end, like, just, like, you know, making mistakes, stuff.
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So I, like, really just have too much trust in people almost.
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So I was, well, at first I was, like, oh, we better hurry up this date so you can go get to your 10 p.m., love.
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And then he was, like, no, like, I really meant to send that to my brother.
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But I was, like, I was, like, look me in my eyes and tell me that you, like, really met every brother.
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Stock market is collapsing and I am making a fortune.
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A lot of people soon are going to be unemployed.
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If I may make this argument to you for why this is a good thing that the stock market is collapsing.
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Because we'll probably get Donald Trump in office if it does.
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We'll probably end up with Donald Trump getting elected if the stock market crashes.
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About time I get a fucking lucky break in this fucking game.
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It's going to take me a million years to get this open.
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And you were, wait, telling us how it got funnier?
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Oh, the funnier part was the fact that I believed him that it was truly sent to his brother.
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But then he did something like he said we had a plan and then he like bailed on me.
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Well, if you do that too early, like, you get in your head too early.
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Have you ever heard of soul bonding with dragons?
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It's supposed to be the best kind of soul bond.
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We have to do cheers once everybody has their alcohol.
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We just hadn't worked up to moving on to those sexual things yet.
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What's the longest you've ever waited to have sex?
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Maybe they're waiting for a significant amount of time.
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Yeah, I was going to say, like, four months, five months.
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Okay, now, have you ever hooked up with people quicker than that?
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When I was in my early 20s, there was, like, a few people that it was just, like...
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I mean, they were people I knew, but it was just, like, oh, I like you.
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You never, like, hooked up with somebody the first day you met them?
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The first two years, I was a very small Christian school, actually.
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Still soccer at the second school, but UNC Asheville was a bigger school.
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I was, like, a junior in college, and then all my friends were, like, girl, you need to
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And, okay, anyways, I was getting off track there.
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Me and my mom were just talking about that the other day.
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I'm always trying to pull the ladder up, you know?
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You did say you had some indiscretions, though, when you were younger.
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Like, when I first had lost my virginity when I was 21, then...
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Oh, I thought you were about to say, like, you lost your virginity.
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It was, like, a guy you met, like, two days prior.
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We had been dating for, like, three or four months before I had slept with him.
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So, there's the guy, the texting guy, whatever.
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You were on a date where a guy got pissed after you outsmarted him.
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So, this was shortly after I was done dating the bowling guy.
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And I had met this guy playing pickup soccer in Nevada.
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So, I had to invite him over to my apartment one night.
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And I was like, oh, we can go to the store, buy, like, a board game and, like, play a board game.
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You know, you can, like, either, like, well, what I did was I put all of my ships all together in one clump.
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And then that way, if you, like, have one of, like, the four ship, but it's connected to the three, in certain ways, you might think that you hit a different ship than you actually hit.
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So, then they're looking or thinking that they need to look for something else.
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So, he wasn't, like, catching on to what I was doing.
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Like, you don't have the two ship left or, like, whatever.
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But I won that one because I had sunk more ships.
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Like, he just was having, like, this big ego about the game.
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And then, like, you know when you get vulnerable with someone, you, like, talk about your insecurities.
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So, I was, like, telling him how, like, oh, when I was younger, like, I, well, I still have bad B.O.
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But I had really bad B.O. when I was, like, a little kid.
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So, I was, like, telling him this, like, funny story that I thought was just funny.
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And then he was like, yeah, speaking of, like, you smelled so disgusting the other day at soccer that when I went to hug you, I literally almost puked.
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And I turned and I was, like, and I, like, really almost was going to upchuck.
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So, then I walk into the bathroom and I, like, look in the mirror and I start crying because that made me, like, hurt my feelings.
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And then I call my mom and I'm, like, mom, what do you think of this?
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So, then I texted him because he had just asked me to be his girlfriend.
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And then I said, I do not want to be your girlfriend.
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Yeah, I don't think playing board games is a good idea.
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Bro, if you want to, like, have enemies for life, bro, you can't play Monopoly with somebody.
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Bro, you know how frustrating, you know how easy it is to get tilted playing Monopoly?
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You spent two fucking hours, two fucking hours developing your board.
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And just from pure RNG luck, the other person just got better fucking roles.
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And then they're just, like, smoking you because your RNG sucks.
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No, if they're beating you at video games, that's different.
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Especially if it's a fighting game, they're just button mashing.
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You're like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
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Going to Natalie, you said, I also would love to debate about subjects like the importance
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I think from like a religious standpoint, I have issues with it, but I also know that
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we live in a world where not everybody is religious and we don't live in a perfect
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world and there's a lot, I think since everyone's not under the religious belief that they should
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be entitled to their own opinion, but I do think there should be way, way, way, way more
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So idea one, from your Christian purview, abortion is murder?
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From a Christian standpoint and what the Bible says?
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Because I know that everyone doesn't have the same views that I do.
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So now we're back to the idea of the serial killer again, remember?
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Remember earlier when we were saying that's subjective, so you can be a serial killer if
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I think that it's just not realistic to say that.
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Is it your duty to say we're going to run the world based on just sheer pragmatism?
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No, I agree, but I think that I don't believe that day of conception, but that is life.
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This is why I think that there should be more restrictions in the fact that there's girls
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that I've heard from that have gone and gotten multiple abortions, which is not good for
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And why I struggle to say that abortion shouldn't be legal is when it comes to the woman, the
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mother's health perspective, which I know is a small majority.
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And atopic pregnancy and abortion are two completely different things.
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And atopic pregnancy is literally when the baby has grown outside of the uterus.
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That those two are two completely different things.
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There's literally, that's because an abortion, you don't want the baby.
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And atopic pregnancy, you wanted that child, but the child just grew outside of you.
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Well, and the thing is, even if we were to grant that it was, we're just going to grant
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it for the sake of argument that in this particular case, you have to choose between two lives.
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You're trying to make the best decision you can.
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Well, Grant, in that case, the mother can always have more kids.
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But in this case, if you try to have that kid, it could kill them both, right?
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So we can just kind of grant that and say, it's a wash, right?
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I still don't, since that's not even close to the representation of almost every abortion
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done on planet Earth, I'm not really sure that bringing that up has any merit.
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So moving over to when life begins, when does it begin?
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Because when people say, oh, it's just a fetus, literally go on Google.
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I mean, I, I'm more so on the pro-life side, but when it does come to like, you know,
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grape and incest, that's where I'm just like, eh.
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But literally, if you, if you go on Google, it's free.
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99% of abortion, of abortions are literally because women are being reckless.
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Literally one percent, less than one percent is because of incest and grape.
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In the perfect world, I would love to say that, like, I'm not willing to grant that
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I'm not willing to grant that it would be okay under those circumstances.
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Let me give you, let me, maybe I can clear this up for you, right?
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Let's do just like a kind of a basic logic exercise.
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If you, right, in this hypothetical, uh, were horribly essayed, could you then go home and
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How come, how come this, this trauma, which happened to you, doesn't make it okay to kill
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Oh, that's because you can't murder your child.
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So then how could you be for abortion even during SA?
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Well, because, because if you're saying this is a life and this is a life, if you're an
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So if you say life begins at conception, then this would mean directly after the SA, this
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Then you would have to explain that justification.
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And she knows that there's no possible way she can.
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And so for her to be consistent, she would actually have to say, no, even during, or even
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as a result of SA, you would not be able to abort.
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That's the only really consistent, I understand the feeling of it.
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So do you want children to grow up in loveless households or in the system?
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Because that's what is a result if, you know, women get graped or incest.
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I mean, well, I think that a person who would end up a dominatrix probably grew up in a loveless
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I'm just saying, like, ultimately, no, I don't think that because you're poor, you have
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I don't think because you're a woman or your race or anything like this, you have a lesser
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I think that human beings have an ontological value.
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And so I'm a Christian, and I've always believed that this is true.
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Even before I logically reconciled my beliefs in a God, I always knew that human beings intrinsically
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I'm not ever going to say that because you're poor, you have no value.
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I'm saying a child would grow up in a loveless household if they're, I mean, I've read plenty
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No, I'm saying there's parents that are regretful and that don't want children.
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So you would want a kid to be raised in an environment like that?
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I mean, honestly, I wouldn't want to be raised in an environment like that.
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You'd rather be dead than raised in a loveless household?
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I'm just going to engage with this the best way I can.
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Let us assume for a second that you could read the mind of cows, okay?
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A cow is born specifically for the purpose of being eaten.
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Now, it's going to have a three-year life cycle or two-year life cycle until it gets as
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big as you can get it, and then you're going to humanely put it down and you're going to
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If you could ask these cows if they would rather exist for the two years or not exist
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for the two years, even knowing at the end of it they're going to get eaten, which do
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I mean, I personally, like, if I knew that my parents didn't want me, I probably wouldn't
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Then let's ask you, if you could live 20 years of your life, right, knowing that at
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the end of that 20 years, the lights would just go out, but you would get eaten by aliens,
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let's say, would you still choose to be alive if you had a good quality of life?
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So then why is it you subject yourself to any suffering?
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I mean, I think there's different levels of suffering.
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You literally perform suffering on people and think it's hilarious and fun.
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But I'm saying that in the context of a family, a kid that is growing up in an abusive environment
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And for some people, they don't ever win that battle.
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But can you agree with me that when it comes to trauma, if you're alive, you at least have
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And if you're dead, you have no shot of moving past trauma.
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But I think growing up, knowing that you are the product of grape or incest, that can't
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Yeah, but that's a trauma which can be surmounted.
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I want to embrace a doctrine of death instead of a doctrine of life?
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I want, even if it is so, that the conditions are not going to be optimal for a child who's
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born, I still think that we don't get to determine to kill them just because we think
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People can move past suffering, but they can't do it dead.
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I mean, I think people can move past suffering, but I think there are levels of suffering that
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you're going to have to just live with, but you're never going to heal from.
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And many people carry the scars of suffering that they never completely heal from.
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A death of a loved one, for instance, would be one such category of this.
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And isn't it still better to be alive with that scar than dead?
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I just think the context is a little bit different when you're bringing in the fact that you are
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Can a person, a product of incest and grape, go on to do amazing things?
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I'm not saying that they can't, but I'm just saying-
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Even if it's horrible, I just want the potential of knowing that they can to allow them to try.
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There are thousands of people who were conceived through SA.
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Is your worth based on how much your parents desired you?
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So, I never said that I was better than anyone that was conceived through SA.
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I obviously know that that's not anyone's choice.
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I'm saying that there are some people that can't live with that pain.
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Yeah, but you're still going to be suffering in your life, aren't you?
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I think that, unfortunately, this is preventable.
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You can't say that me going through something like a death of a loved one is the same as.
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It's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all?
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Well, if you had never loved, you could never go through the suffering of losing love, which
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Even losing the love of your life to another man or woman or whatever, right?
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It's still better and preferable, in other words, to go through the suffering of losing
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that than to have never positioned yourself to suffer at all.
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But I'm saying that I don't think you should subject an innocent child to that type of situation.
04:22:32.300
And not even just like the sense of you were the product of grape or incest, but the fact
04:22:37.280
that your parents, not all, but some parents resent that.
04:22:41.200
And I've listened to this girl talk about regretful parenting, and she reads stories that
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people post on Reddit and whatnot, or just send to her individually.
04:22:51.800
And they talk about how much they regret their children.
04:23:01.260
All of these people who exist currently, who are the product of SA, why aren't they unaliving
04:23:06.480
themselves if their suffering is insurmountable?
04:23:14.840
Meaning, they must have something that they're continuing to live towards and moving towards,
04:23:20.480
That makes their suffering surmountable to that of life.
04:23:23.800
Otherwise, they could and do always have the option of ending that.
04:23:27.940
And so it seems like it's powerful evidence that a person even conceived under those circumstances
04:23:33.360
would still prefer to be alive than dead, because the people who have been aren't unaliving
04:23:43.020
But it can't be the vast majority, nor even close.
04:23:45.660
I mean, I understand your statement, but I still stand on how I feel about it.
04:23:53.900
Wilson, how do you reconcile your Christian opposition to abortion with the historical
04:23:59.640
involvement of religious groups in wars that have resulted in the loss of many lives?
04:24:04.480
I don't see how those two things would need to be reconciled.
04:24:08.020
So, saying that you are essentially assassinating a child in the womb, because that's what I think
04:24:14.200
you're doing, from my perspective, though I understand that's politically charged language,
04:24:18.880
is far different than fighting a war of opposition.
04:24:21.580
Sometimes this is done defensively, sometimes offensively, but justifications for wars are
04:24:26.960
completely different than justification of killing innocent children.
04:24:30.720
I mean, it's still unnecessary carnage, you know what I mean?
04:24:40.620
Like, it's not necessary for you to be a dommy mommy.
04:24:57.080
But kind of backing up here, I would like to kind of challenge this just a little bit
04:25:02.440
The idea of, if you and I can agree that most people conceived under the condition of SA
04:25:08.800
are not unaliving themselves, then don't you think that they've been able to surmount
04:25:14.300
the very suffering that you want to eliminate the potential of them even being able to face?
04:25:19.640
Of course, there's going to be people out there that are able to move past their suffering
04:25:25.900
But I mean, I'm just saying in the sense of if you can prevent any sort of suffering that
04:25:31.580
I mean, part of life, like, you're going to lose a loved one.
04:25:39.240
But I want you to think about the logical conclusion of this statement.
04:25:46.700
And you're saying death is the ultimate way to avoid suffering.
04:25:50.140
So then the extension of this would be if you wanted to eliminate suffering in the entire
04:26:03.840
So when we kind of take this to its logical conclusion of we want to make sure people
04:26:09.380
can avoid suffering, well, you say we can do this by killing them.
04:26:16.980
But the extension of that is if suffering is the thing we're trying to avoid, why wouldn't
04:26:24.240
But I mean, I think there's, you know, certain types of suffering that do make you, like,
04:26:34.580
Again, I just think that that's something that is, you know, avoidable.
04:26:41.220
So I can't sway your mind even with logical argumentation?
04:26:44.180
Like even, is there anything I could do with logical argumentation that would sway your
04:26:59.360
Logic would be the proper and reasoned way in which to ferret out a position which is
04:27:07.240
So you can imagine there's that without that, nothing in this world would work, including
04:27:13.980
Like you use logic daily and reasoning daily just to get through your day, right?
04:27:19.100
So, I mean, you don't want to trump that with emotion.
04:27:22.340
Making an emotional argument would be, that would be counterintuitive, right?
04:27:26.400
You can have all sorts of terrible results from just like, listen to my emotions.
04:27:30.640
That would be, you don't want people to listen to your emotions, right?
04:27:40.040
If I pick a blue colored truck versus a red colored truck, that's probably an emotional
04:27:45.760
It's not because, yeah, it's not because I'm getting any like extra performance out
04:27:51.800
Actually though, you could use logic for that because, you know, like I think they say
04:28:01.160
But that doesn't really require a logical justification.
04:28:04.780
Nobody's, nobody's going to ask me to justify why I want to blue over a red truck,
04:28:10.900
So I'm, I'm willing to concede to you that I use emotions tons, right?
04:28:15.860
But when it comes to a position of life, death, things like this, reason should probably
04:28:24.420
I'll allow you each one final response on this and I have to move it on.
04:28:29.220
I mean, I think we're going to, I just want to answer that last question.
04:28:33.980
I just want to know if you think ultimately, even knowing that I do think that emotion,
04:28:37.960
it's valid, that, that doesn't mean that we should use it in lieu of reason, but we
04:28:43.820
should usually use reason in lieu of emotion if we're making big decisions.
04:28:47.380
I mean, technically you're correct, but I think it stems a lot deeper when it comes
04:28:59.080
Going back to Natalie, you said that a guy asked you on a date, told you that you post
04:29:08.300
So basically I, this is, I think, second date with the guy and we were at a mall and
04:29:14.980
I said like something like, oh, I have that shirt or something.
04:29:31.860
And then continued to proceed to tell me that he doesn't like what I post on Instagram
04:29:40.560
So I just feel like it's a little contradictory.
04:29:52.960
I mean, I don't think there's anything, actually anything wrong there, to be honest.
04:30:00.600
He would like talk about how he did nothing wrong in this scenario with the ex and like
04:30:04.120
show me receipts and this was our like second date.
04:30:15.920
We were at a mall and I said like, oh, I have that top.
04:30:21.180
It was like probably very similar to what I was wearing.
04:30:33.640
So if, would you have, would you attempt to prevent your boyfriend from wearing skin
04:30:48.840
That'd be embarrassing more than anything else.
04:30:55.420
But I think his concern was it being attractive.
04:30:58.680
Well, like it, it, it being appealing to other guys, I think was his concern.
04:31:06.360
I think, I think he was alluding to the fact that he thought I was a slut or something.
04:31:12.880
Well, I mean, so you were on a second date, right?
04:31:18.100
Well, I mean, so prior to dating, you had these photos on your Instagram?
04:31:26.700
Or like I went on dates, but I didn't like, he was not my boyfriend.
04:31:29.980
So he's trying to establish very early on what his boundaries were.
04:31:35.300
So prior to dating, I suppose he had no problem or absolutely no authority to say, you know,
04:31:41.860
you were engaging in what he considered a single behavior, but assuming the relationship
04:31:46.980
developed to the point where you guys were actually in a relationship, once you started
04:31:50.380
dating, he wanted you to act in a way more commensurate with and more consistent with being
04:31:56.940
And most women have no male guidance when it comes to this at all.
04:32:00.400
I think that's fine if we were in a relationship, but I feel like that's, we, we.
04:32:04.940
But then women will also argue, well, if it was such an issue, you should have told me
04:32:10.820
Well, I agree, but that's why I partially ended it besides him being obsessed with his
04:32:15.640
I think that to an extent, if I'm going out and going to parties and wearing something
04:32:21.080
that's like very risque for male attention, I'm in a relationship.
04:32:29.200
But like, I feel like the shirt would need to be shown for it to be like, for an example,
04:32:34.680
because it was just something that was very like, not anything that I think like anybody
04:32:40.360
would really at this table opposed to or call like over sexual or something like that, or
04:32:46.120
I think it was very normal talk, which is where I kind of had the problem amongst other problems
04:32:55.580
Like, yeah, we were in, we were in the mall and I'm like, oh, I have that.
04:33:02.800
No, I think she was on, were you on the second date?
04:33:06.880
And the thing with the bigger part was with me is I said to him, I was like, I post this
04:33:13.440
He found me through Instagram, like through mutual friends.
04:33:21.160
Like what's the, so again, though, prior to dating, he had no problem with you engaging
04:33:30.160
But now that he's, he, he met you on a second date, he probably wanted to see things further
04:33:37.240
He was starting to lay out his boundaries for what he considered acceptable behavior from
04:33:44.620
I feel like there's just better ways to go about it than being like, well, men are blunt
04:33:48.860
I mean, I think he sounds insecure, you know, and especially, I think, I mean, I think it
04:33:54.260
sounds insecure because it's like, especially if like she's saying that it was similar to
04:33:59.820
It wasn't, I don't go out wearing things that are like outrageous.
04:34:08.660
Well, we don't know what it, is there a photo of it somewhere on Instagram?
04:34:14.640
It was like a basic urban outfit or just think of a tank top.
04:34:19.540
I always find this idea odd of insecurity though.
04:34:22.640
I think it's insecure in the sense that, not insecure, but I think it's a lack of trust
04:34:27.020
that you have in your, say, potential girlfriend that you think that I would be going out and
04:34:36.940
But when I think of insecurity, I would think the opposite.
04:34:41.320
I would think that saying upfront what it is that you want or don't want would be a sign
04:34:49.740
A sign of insecurity to me would be like, I want to tell you this, this preference or
04:34:55.980
this thing, but I'm going to be passive aggressive or I'm just going to lead hints or things like
04:35:01.180
That would lead me more towards the thought of insecurity versus here's what I want and
04:35:06.540
That sounds like, like somebody who's secure and what their preferences are.
04:35:09.960
Well, what about brooding over your ex-girlfriend?
04:35:16.900
Totally agree with you on the obsession of the ex-girlfriend thing, red flag, I'd get
04:35:22.480
But on the idea of moderate dress, to Brian's point, I don't think that that could be insecurity.
04:35:29.400
That seems like a secure person would say that.
04:35:31.060
I think it's more of like the way that it was said and like the other comments that have
04:35:36.860
been made, I think is like kind of the thing that we're missing here where I was like,
04:35:40.640
you dress that way before, for male attention, which.
04:35:46.500
Like if, if you, I feel like it's hard to explain without seeing the top in question,
04:35:50.620
but like it's no different to what I'm wearing right now.
04:35:54.260
Was he kind of saying that in the context of the entirety of your social media?
04:35:58.180
He, it was like kind of two separate conversations where I started it with like, like I don't wear
04:36:05.000
that for male validation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
04:36:07.440
And he was saying that like the stuff that I've had on my Instagram is that you're telling
04:36:18.480
I think that's kind of where I had the issue with it.
04:36:20.760
We're saying that he thinks that I'm only posting this stuff and stuff like that for
04:36:25.260
Where in my head, it's like a lot of the stuff I post, especially after losing so much weight,
04:36:28.440
it's like, I'm really confident in how I look now and I'm proud of how far I've come.
04:36:37.120
That would be, that would be definitionally validation.
04:36:39.800
Not like I, not in like a sexual way, just being like, I'm proud of how far I've come.
04:36:50.020
Not in a way that would bring sexual attention.
04:37:12.560
At the wall with the cup of coffee, the white strip, the black shirt, the one where I'm
04:37:31.580
You think that I post that craving male validation?
04:37:33.420
Well, first of all, no, I would say that no, that's immodest.
04:37:34.840
But even if, even if I were to concede that it was modest, after looking at your social
04:37:41.360
media, if you, if you're going to tell me that you're not putting those pictures up because
04:37:47.000
you want validation for men, I'm very skeptical.
04:37:55.780
You just want to show women the transformation you're about.
04:38:02.300
But I can definitely understand why a guy would be skeptical of that.
04:38:05.780
I, I, I think that's fair, but I think it's a conversation to be had instead of just
04:38:16.600
It would be you saying, no, this is for the validation of a bunch of women.
04:38:22.140
I want a bunch of women to look at me, validate me.
04:38:24.960
And so he, he's going to look, he's going to be like, look, I just don't believe that.
04:38:29.320
And there's no, he, it's, it's not falsifiable.
04:38:32.460
In other words, you can't be like, that's not true.
04:38:36.260
You're telling me though, if you say right now lost a shit ton of weight, got a six pack
04:38:41.200
best shape of your life that you wouldn't want to show that off.
04:38:46.340
You wouldn't be proud of it if it's something that you worked for?
04:38:48.000
I might be, I might be proud of it, but that there's a difference between that and trying
04:38:51.900
to, um, uh, put myself in a situation where I was being sexually provocative towards the
04:38:59.300
Can I ask you that question as someone that does fitness?
04:39:07.480
Cause I've seen so many men that have had huge body transformations and then they take their
04:39:12.660
Cause they never felt comfortable doing that in the first place.
04:39:19.260
A lot of women, they lose a lot of weight and then they, you know.
04:39:24.500
One of which, his name is David Patrick Carey, Church of the Eternal Logos.
04:39:28.520
And this guy is fucking shredded and he does not post sexually provocative pictures of
04:39:34.540
himself, even though he's in, and he definitely had a body transformation.
04:39:40.520
And the reason he doesn't do that is because he knows that that's going to lead towards
04:39:45.960
validation from the opposite sex, which he doesn't want.
04:39:49.400
But I don't, if they choose to validate it, they like to see it good for them.
04:39:59.000
I'm trying to take myself in, put myself in the shoes of the onlooker.
04:40:03.620
So from the outsider's perspective, looking at it, there's no reason for me to conclude
04:40:09.020
that any man who was viewing that wouldn't think that you were trying to get the validation
04:40:15.940
None of the bathing suit posts were up at the time.
04:40:19.040
But there's no reason that I would assume that any random man viewing that wouldn't think
04:40:25.400
you were looking for sexual validation from men.
04:40:29.480
I think, I see what you're saying, but I think that's also like, if you want to get
04:40:34.120
to know me and separate that from my story and why I post that kind of stuff, because
04:40:40.940
The whole idea of the red flag is that just based on XXX behavior, whether you try to justify
04:40:48.720
it, for instance, she goes up on the house on Haunted Hill where this guy's going to fucking
04:40:54.140
She's like, if this fucking door closes, I am doomed.
04:40:59.800
He's going to put me in little pieces and put me in his freezer, right?
04:41:10.380
He didn't actually do anything wrong, but he gave like a feeling, a red flag vibe.
04:41:22.820
When they discussed it, she said he was like, but I'm a good person.
04:41:33.440
She was like, nope, I don't fucking believe a word that you're saying.
04:41:36.740
And so she's thinking from an outsider's look in, same thing, right?
04:41:40.740
They're probably going to think, big red fucking flag.
04:41:49.160
I'm just saying that you haven't contradicted yourself.
04:41:53.560
You don't post any of those pics for the purpose of male validation.
04:42:03.900
And I don't think that it was inherently wrong.
04:42:05.500
I think the way that it was presented was wrong, where he was saying, like, so you don't just
04:42:11.020
post pictures of your boobs for, like, validation in men, like, that's all you want from it kind
04:42:15.540
And then him assuming from that, that I've slept with a bunch of people and all that
04:42:19.080
stuff and deciding not to believe me when I told him no.
04:42:23.300
But I don't think there's actually anything wrong with men looking at certain cues that
04:42:27.940
tend to be associated with female promiscuity and just jumping to those conclusions.
04:42:33.620
Like, if a woman is blasted in tattoos, sternum tattoos, dresses a certain way, I'm going to
04:42:42.640
We actually had a woman on the show, like, two weeks ago.
04:42:50.220
One of them on her Instagram, like, had a sternum tattoo and, like, a full thing on her side.
04:42:57.080
I'm like, could a virgin be blasted in tattoos like that?
04:43:04.500
You don't need to have sex in order to get tattoos.
04:43:07.740
But I'm just going to jump to conclusions anyways as a guy and be like,
04:43:11.960
Since when does a woman with a sternum tattoo, like, how are you a virgin?
04:43:19.880
You think because I post that it alludes to that I'm not a virgin?
04:43:26.680
Yeah, he's just saying, he's saying from my perspective, this entire tattoo thing would
04:43:31.940
be a massive red flag that would cause me to disbelieve your motivations or disbelieve
04:43:39.160
And so in the same case here with this guy that you're dating, he's thinking the same
04:43:45.600
That was for girls because you wanted to show your body valid.
04:43:49.380
From his perspective, of course, you're not going to think that because every other woman
04:43:53.480
who's posting similar pics like this, and we're pattern recognition machines, right?
04:43:58.480
And most of them are out humping everything with a penis.
04:44:05.860
That way, I think it was more the way that he said it is what I took offense to and the
04:44:09.660
not believing me after conversation was like one of the many red flags that happened all
04:44:17.240
He was also just a very, not insecure because of the, you know, potential slut shaming,
04:44:22.420
but insecure in the fact that he was actually just a very insecure man.
04:44:24.620
Can you look right at the camera and say, he gave me the ick?
04:44:43.180
Going to Gracie, you said your first boyfriend's situationship cheated on you.
04:44:46.860
While you were out of town for your sister's wedding, you found out through other people
04:44:50.180
texting, asking if we were together and sending me pics of them together.
04:44:54.040
So you said first boyfriend slash situationship.
04:44:58.300
So it was your boyfriend or not your boyfriend?
04:45:00.760
On and off, but it was like a high school, sophomore year relationship.
04:45:09.740
But we were dating at the time of this happening, but we were like on and off affiliated with
04:45:18.600
So were there any overt communications about monogamy or just seeing each other?
04:45:24.040
We were exclusively seeing each other for the whole like year and a half that we were
04:45:56.900
And in the weeks leading up to the dance, I was like, oh, dang it.
04:46:03.480
And what set it off like immediately as just weird was that he asked if he could bring
04:46:12.260
I was like, first of all, why would you want to?
04:46:15.240
Second of all, I don't understand the point because everybody in the group they were going
04:46:21.560
Like all the guys, if they didn't have a girlfriend, they didn't bring anyone.
04:46:24.420
And I would say it's like 50-50 who didn't have girlfriends.
04:46:29.680
Wait, he asked you if he could bring another girl?
04:46:41.100
And I was already bummed because like, again, this was my first like guy who's ever really
04:46:47.920
So I was so excited to have like a dance, a guy to go to a dance with, you know?
04:46:52.980
But besides the point, I was way more excited for my sister's wedding.
04:46:55.960
So I go, I'm just like, okay, I'll make the most of it.
04:47:01.600
And the reception and ceremony happened to be the exact same day as the dance.
04:47:06.900
So like nighttime rolls around, I'm at the wedding party and I start getting these texts
04:47:12.960
from people and Utah is one hour ahead of California time.
04:47:16.700
So I'm getting texts like the night is winding down while the after party for whatever dance
04:47:24.240
And multiple people like from different friend groups start texting me like, do you like,
04:47:31.460
Like, cause everybody kind of knew that we were at least affiliated or just with each
04:47:37.420
So it was just like a weird vibe I'd imagine seeing from an outsider's perspective.
04:47:42.100
So I was receiving all these texts just kind of thrown off and I didn't want to talk to
04:47:48.440
him about it immediately because I was just like, this is going to ruin the night that
04:47:52.620
Like, I don't want to ruin my sister's wedding over this, you know?
04:47:57.320
And then eventually when I got back to my hotel room, the party was still happening.
04:48:01.380
So being a girl that I am, I made a fake Snapchat account.
04:48:08.540
I made a fake Snapchat account and I added him.
04:48:15.180
And I started snapping him like black screens, like trying to talk to him, like engaging in
04:48:21.380
And maybe like four snaps in, I'm like, oh, do you have a girlfriend by the way?
04:48:29.120
Cause I was like, what is he telling this girl?
04:48:31.200
Which by the way, if I'm with a guy at a party and he's snapping a girl he just added
04:48:37.980
Just a bajillion red flags going up regardless.
04:48:41.260
But he responds to that with, I don't have a girlfriend.
04:48:44.540
And I was just like, okay, I'm lighting his ass up.
04:48:49.220
But I decided to, again, keep it calm until I got back home to actually talk to him about
04:48:55.680
But everything kind of unfolded once I got back home.
04:49:01.020
And I saw photos from both his phone and two other people who, again, weren't in the
04:49:08.860
same friend group, just happened to like snipe them together at the party.
04:49:15.640
And yeah, I went over to his house, yelled at him to the point where his mom like came
04:49:28.380
And I'm typically not very angry, like as a person.
04:49:52.860
I had a list of things that I was going through, like that bothered me, that hurt me, just
04:49:59.660
And I was just one after another, you know, there were bullet points.
04:50:04.500
He got a couple words in, but there wasn't much for him to say anyway.
04:50:07.520
But yeah, I don't even think I could reenact it.
04:50:23.940
I was yelling because it started as just a conversation because I genuinely wanted to hear what he had
04:50:28.540
It was, to me, it was funny at that point because I was so over it.
04:50:32.240
But yeah, the switch definitely flipped and I started yelling at him pretty like.
04:50:43.300
He started like profusely apologizing after, well, at first he was trying to.
04:50:57.200
He, like they made out or something, something like that.
04:51:01.800
I don't, that's the issue is I still don't even know what fully happened, but I did see
04:51:10.640
So that, at least I know that happened, you know, exactly.
04:51:15.840
Your boyfriend lied to you about not being a what?
04:51:28.040
So this is the guy I dated for about six months.
04:51:31.440
At the beginning of the relationship, he seemed pretty insecure, just like kind of questioned
04:51:37.500
And one of the things he tried to bring up a lot was just like sex and body count and
04:51:44.280
And I don't know if he was trying to impress me or show me that he was like experienced
04:51:52.760
But he said that he had, I don't even remember what number it was, but like a decently, like
04:51:59.640
And I was just like, okay, like, I don't really care about that.
04:52:05.200
And come to find out after everything unfolded that he was a virgin and just never told me.
04:52:13.940
And not only did he not tell me, he would like make up stories about these girls.
04:52:20.700
And a lot of them I like personally knew, because this was a guy who went to the same
04:52:26.800
So I would like go out and see these people and be like, oh, so he's like had sex with
04:52:33.360
And then just, I found out through his friend after we broke up that he was a virgin, which
04:52:50.080
But like telling in-depth stories with name drops is a little, yeah, that's a little wild.
04:52:54.700
But even so, woman or man, like why would anyone, you know, like he just has to be a guy.
04:53:08.440
I just think that that is crazy, man or woman doing that.
04:53:11.140
That someone would be like making up stories about who they, oh, and I slept with her and
04:53:15.640
like, especially telling stories in depth, like man or woman, that's wrong.
04:53:21.760
Well, I mean, men would lie about it so that they, he can be seen as more experienced.
04:53:28.540
And then women will lie in the opposite way so they can come off as more innocent or pure
04:53:37.760
Like the best thing is just people to tell the truth.
04:53:40.940
Tell the truth about how many you've slept with.
04:53:43.840
I think it's also one thing to be like, say it's a number, like, oh, like I slept with
04:53:47.360
two girls, but telling like in-depth stories and saying people that you know and we all
04:54:02.000
Because I could maybe, like, I could sort of understand the justification of a man, like
04:54:06.300
if he's dating a girl who's not a virgin and he's a virgin, he wouldn't want, like, again,
04:54:11.600
I think you should tell the truth, but I can sort of understand, understand it a little
04:54:15.720
I'm not saying it's right, but you said love bombing and how easy it can be to be blind
04:54:26.860
Again, he was like the second guy who gave me a lot of male attention and I thought it
04:54:36.900
He like acknowledges things that I don't think most people see about me and I just felt really
04:54:41.360
seen and understood and supported and it ended up being a lot of manipulation that I
04:54:47.320
was kind of blind to until it was way too late and then even at that point, like, this
04:54:52.080
is the guy I tried to break up with like three months in.
04:54:53.900
And at that point, even after I broke up with him, because subconsciously, well, not
04:54:57.880
subconsciously, consciously, I knew that it was not good for me, that something was going
04:55:03.900
After I tried to, I was like broken down and I didn't, like I genuinely thought my life
04:55:10.220
was like going to be nothing without him, like all these just toxic thoughts.
04:55:14.540
And after a lot of, a lot of like thoughts on that, I realized that it was all just love
04:55:27.300
You said specifically for the women dating to decide if you like the guy, not if he likes
04:55:32.040
you or trying to fit the mold you think he wants you to fit.
04:55:38.440
It's super easy to go out with somebody and be like, oh, do they like me?
04:55:43.700
Like, I wonder what they think about me, especially as a girl.
04:55:47.480
Like we are taught to appease people, especially men just growing up.
04:55:52.240
And I think it's really easy to fall into that instead of thinking like, oh, how will this
04:56:00.740
Well, hold on, but it's not clear to me as a woman, if you would even give a fuck, if
04:56:09.380
like you wouldn't, if you don't like the guy, why would you give a fuck if he likes you
04:56:16.320
So the only scenario where you would come to this, like, does he like me thing?
04:56:22.200
Cause I hear this thing of like, you shouldn't worry if like the guy likes you, you have to
04:56:30.760
Cause that's what you wrote, dating to decide if you like the guy, but you're only going
04:56:40.500
You're going to, you're going to just try to fuck a guy you don't like.
04:56:43.440
I think that what, no, I think that what that means, what that means is some women, let's
04:56:52.740
No, let's say someone's going for validation that maybe they are liking this validation they're
04:56:58.200
getting from this person, giving them this attention, this love when they're going, wow,
04:57:04.920
So the question is rather than just looking, oh, and am I pretty enough?
04:57:17.640
Rather than getting caught up in the fact that he's giving you all this love and attention.
04:57:21.060
That's, I think, what the core is of that quote, though.
04:57:28.400
That's actually crazy because women are bombarded with attention and validation, and you guys
04:57:35.680
have no issue curving, ignoring, and rejecting those men.
04:57:43.140
Bro, like, you think if I just show interest in a girl, that's enough to get her to like
04:57:56.260
So how could it possibly be the case that I don't even see how that makes any sense?
04:58:01.780
Well, I don't know if I could necessarily explain it further, but literally, every single
04:58:05.180
woman is not like, oh, yes, it's 100% relatable.
04:58:11.020
Dude, you got to figure out if you like the guy, not like, does he like, like, it doesn't
04:58:18.720
It's more like, do you, not based off of like, not just initial attraction.
04:58:23.480
We're talking about people, I think, in general, if we can all agree that we're already initially
04:58:28.300
It's, do you like the attention that they're giving you and the validation and they're saying
04:58:33.140
So it makes you think, oh, like, I can really see a future with this guy.
04:58:36.740
If you're talking to him, it would, you wouldn't care.
04:58:39.420
But we're not talking about just like fucking the guy, we're talking about like going into
04:58:42.320
a relationship, like seeing if it's worth going into a relationship with, right?
04:58:45.880
But if the things weren't there that made you attracted to him, there would be no questioning.
04:58:53.300
Like, is he not just giving me attention and validation?
04:58:59.480
Is he a man that I could see being in my future?
04:59:02.220
Or is he just giving me the attention that I need right now?
04:59:15.840
Because I, I think the part that's blowing you off is like, or does he just like me?
04:59:18.820
It's more like he's saying the right things and giving me the attention and I am physically
04:59:29.820
And then now you as a woman are projecting all these things into the future.
04:59:33.140
And oh, and what the wedding's going to be like.
04:59:43.060
Like are these words just empty words with no promises?
04:59:46.200
Is he saying that to seven other women right now?
04:59:49.500
Like it's like a man could be giving me attention and I could be like.
04:59:54.960
Like someone could have like a hole in their heart almost.
05:00:05.900
But it's like rather than just jumping into a relationship with that person, which people
05:00:12.160
You can pause and actually assess who that person is and is there something more there
05:00:17.060
or is this someone who you're in a way just using to fill a void where you don't have
05:00:20.960
to face yourself and whatever struggles you're facing inside.
05:00:26.100
It's like liking the idea of a guy versus actually liking him.
05:00:30.300
I just don't understand this whole like, I shouldn't be focused on if he likes me.
05:00:38.840
Like, I think it's just easy to get lost in the idea of like, oh, this guy's into me.
05:00:47.320
This is maybe something that can apply to men, but women are bombarded with sexual and romantic
05:00:54.620
So you guys have no problem curving and rejecting guys who are into you.
05:01:03.380
You're saying every single guy who shows interest in you, you end up dating them?
05:01:27.180
I'm sure you have a lot if you're on Instagram, dating apps, in person, whatever.
05:01:30.620
I'm sure there's no shortage of men who find you attractive, who'd want to date you.
05:02:02.040
But we're saying only guys that we find attractive initially.
05:02:05.060
We're saying only guys that we find attractive initially, though.
05:02:13.080
You like a guy who you find physically attractive.
05:02:16.660
We're not talking about just, like, sleeping with the guy.
05:02:19.220
We're talking about having and establishing an actual relationship.
05:02:24.420
So you're essentially saying the same thing, just in different ways.
05:02:30.360
He's saying, listen, if the attraction in this type of thing wasn't there to begin with,
05:02:36.320
then you wouldn't give a shit if this person had any reciprocal interest or not.
05:02:45.040
I don't think that there's any way that that cannot be true.
05:02:47.260
But if what you mean by this is, even if that interest is reciprocal, I still have to make
05:02:53.240
a decision as to whether I actually do like him, then I don't think that there's any conflict
05:03:03.640
It's just, like, literally what going on a date is.
05:03:05.580
You're going on a date to find out if you vibe with someone.
05:03:09.460
I don't get how it's, like, a 10-minute discussion.
05:03:15.480
But going back to more of your notes, Gracie, you got some bombs in here.
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You think women and men play very different roles in relationships, and leaning into your
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role is what can make a relationship long-lasting, healthy, and fulfilling for both parties.
05:03:38.480
I mean, I think we kind of went into this with, like, the whole chasing whatever type
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But especially when it comes to, like, women just naturally being more emotional, like,
05:03:49.880
I think it's important for women to tap into that and allow for a man to be a, like, supporter,
05:04:05.780
Like, women should emotionally support men while women can.
05:04:11.640
Like, we have a strong suit in emotionally supporting people as a whole, and specifically
05:04:24.720
I thought you were laughing at the whole, like, women emotionally supporting men.
05:04:29.060
You wouldn't have much of a podcast if you all just sat here quiet, though.
05:04:34.980
Yeah, I don't argue about dating dynamics with, like, if I'm dating a girl, it's the
05:04:38.720
last thing I want to do when I'm not dating somebody.
05:04:48.260
Men are, like, women are, oh, you cheated on me in a dream.
05:04:56.320
It's your fault that I dreamt of you cheating on him.
05:05:02.640
Yeah, I was dating a girl once, and she was like, I dreamed.
05:05:10.400
But I think it's important to feel that and to, like, not that specific example, but to
05:05:23.340
I don't have, like, a fully, like, fledged out argument on this.
05:05:41.700
I think it depends on the type of woman to begin with, but typically, like, for myself,
05:05:49.520
I would be so happy to, like, raise children and be fulfilled in that way.
05:05:54.820
But once again, I can't speak for every woman, and I don't mean to, you know?
05:05:59.000
Well, you can still be submissive before you're married.
05:06:04.680
I'm here to learn and change my mind, so please.
05:06:24.520
You were looking at her, and then she said you.
05:06:26.640
The irony of me being a dominatrix, we're talking about submissive women.
05:06:43.760
I just started laughing because you were looking at her.
05:07:10.600
I don't want to take a polarized stance on that because I think...
05:07:18.620
Is that like the hot button issue, being submissive?
05:07:23.120
I just don't want to speak for people who might feel differently than me, you know?
05:07:30.080
For me personally, I would love to be a stay-at-home mom and be submissive to my husband.
05:07:36.340
But I'm not going to say that that's right for every woman.
05:07:47.740
Do you think that the results for most women, if they followed the idea of being a stay-at-home mom and submission to their husband,
05:07:57.560
that the results for most of them would probably be good?
05:08:02.560
I think in general, that is what brings women the most fulfillment.
05:08:08.760
But I do think that that may be different for some people, and that's why I don't want to make a point that's the same.
05:08:12.660
And another way that this could be said, just so you know, is that she thinks most women should be submissive.
05:08:29.560
I just don't want to speak for people who aren't me.
05:08:31.480
I think that you could also be submissive and have a career and be a career.
05:08:38.420
Why do you think more women aren't having kids?
05:08:40.760
I think you could be submissive and have a career unless your husband said, I don't want you to have a career.
05:08:51.100
And then if you said no to him, that would be what?
05:08:52.760
That would be the opposite of submission, right?
05:08:54.260
What I would define submission as is that it's a discussion between the, like say there's an issue, it's a discussion.
05:09:00.000
But ultimately, if the man is financially responsible for the family and is the leader of the family, that he takes the final decision.
05:09:08.740
If he makes the final decision, how is that not submissive?
05:09:11.040
Well, because what if he doesn't want your input on the decision?
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Because that sounds like, it sounds to me like if he doesn't want your input on it at all.
05:09:29.440
And then he goes, not on everything, but just maybe one thing or two things.
05:09:33.780
If he's just like, yeah, I don't fucking care what you think about this.
05:09:39.560
If it's like where the kids are going to school or where we're living, I would like to have some sort of opinion on it.
05:09:43.300
Yeah, but what if he says, yeah, that's just a lack of respect, not submission.
05:09:50.220
To not give a fuck about what your partner thinks.
05:09:53.280
In some instances, yeah, I wouldn't give a shit about what my wife thought about all kinds of things.
05:09:58.500
I wouldn't give a shit about what she thought about all sorts of different things.
05:10:07.780
If ultimately I'm the decision maker, if there's certain things that I don't want her input on.
05:10:13.080
Because you don't care about how she feels or her opinion, then?
05:10:15.240
Because ultimately, regardless of how she feels or her opinion, I'm going to do it anyway.
05:10:20.520
I mean, I think that's a lack of respect in the relationship.
05:10:23.520
Because you're not respecting her feelings or what she would maybe want, even though it's ultimately your decision.
05:10:27.360
Well, then it sounds to me like you don't really want submission.
05:10:34.080
And then occasionally you'll let him have the final say.
05:10:39.260
I'm still saying he can have the final say as long as it's a conversation that we can have.
05:10:46.560
And you're like, I want the kids to go over here because it's 15 minutes closer.
05:10:53.520
Otherwise, I'm going to have to rearrange everything.
05:10:55.080
It's going to be a big fucking pain in the ass.
05:10:59.100
And he says, yeah, I want him to go to this other school, though.
05:11:10.260
That sounds like I have to convince you that I'm right and have you okay it.
05:11:18.980
I would like to play a more submissive role in my marriage.
05:11:21.900
Maybe not complete submission, but a more submissive role.
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When I give you an example of a time where he says, I don't need to justify this.
05:11:34.820
You say, ah, well, it's not going to happen because you gave me no justification.
05:11:38.780
Hang on, let me finish, and then I'll let you talk.
05:11:41.260
You gave an example where he says, I don't need to give you a justification for this thing.
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I just need it done, and I'm the decision maker.
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I just think I wouldn't want to be a part of a marriage with someone that doesn't value my opinion.
05:11:57.880
But I would want to submit to them, just have my opinion.
05:12:00.140
As long as they did exactly what you want, you would submit.
05:12:02.720
No, so I'm not sure you're not listening to what I'm saying.
05:12:06.540
I'm saying that I'm fine with them making the ultimate decision if it coincides with everything you want.
05:12:11.520
But I would like there to be some logic behind it.
05:12:13.220
Them just saying because I want to is not like...
05:12:15.540
Wait, why does a person you're submitted to need to justify their logic to you?
05:12:23.340
But even if they say, I don't want to justify the logic to you, I just want this done, right?
05:12:29.640
I'm not doing that unless it's within the purview of what I want.
05:12:35.780
What I'm saying is I wouldn't be in a marriage with someone.
05:12:46.180
She's allowed to have her own definition of what she wants in her life.
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She can have a definition of submission as long as submission doesn't mean submission.
05:12:53.900
But I would like to be a more submissive role in my marriage.
05:12:58.480
If you say, I'd like to be more submissive, but I would just kind of add the qualifier.
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As long as you can justify to me what it is that you want to do and I agree with it, then that's the kind of marriage...
05:13:10.720
Because that's what you're actually saying you want.
05:13:18.080
It's basic respect, like she said, which I know that you disagree with, and that's fine.
05:13:28.200
Because it's to have an open conversation about it.
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The most respectful thing you can do is adhere to my word.
05:13:35.700
So if that's the most respectful thing you can do is adhere to my word, not question it, then how are you respecting me as my wife?
05:13:48.960
I'm saying that respect means one thing to you when it comes to how you're treated.
05:13:53.100
I'm saying that there's also treatment the other direction.
05:13:56.000
You're assuming that a man wants to be respected the same way you do.
05:13:59.820
And he has a whole different value structure of how he wants you to respect him.
05:14:07.380
I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
05:14:10.820
You give her whatever the hell she wants, but you have the ultimate decision?
05:14:15.700
The reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen, that's the last word in it, and I don't even want to have the fucking conversation.
05:14:26.900
Now, she may really want to, and I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't fucking care because it's my decision ultimately.
05:14:38.800
I just don't care to have her question my authority autonomy over the marriage.
05:14:45.700
But was there an initial conversation prior to that, or was it just like, we're doing this, don't ask me about it?
05:14:51.420
I would say more for bigger decisions in life, not necessarily little things.
05:14:57.400
Yeah, even larger decisions if ultimately I were to say, let's say I went home and I said, we're moving to Nevada in three weeks.
05:15:04.720
Get your bags packed, and I'm not going to have a fucking, I don't want to hear a word about it.
05:15:08.560
You're doing it, and that's the way it's going.
05:15:12.020
I think that ultimately it's my choice and not hers.
05:15:23.280
I mean, I don't think we're going to change each other's opinions, so I think it's fine.
05:15:27.560
Well, okay, from a biblical worldview, what does submission mean?
05:15:35.380
What we say, that man has the ultimate decision, yeah.
05:15:40.680
Does it say that a woman is to adhere to the word of her man like she would unto the Lord?
05:15:49.360
And does the Lord need to justify fucking anything to you?
05:15:55.260
I think the whole Bible is a justification of his moral.
05:15:57.620
Wait, so the Lord came down and said, I need you to walk down to Fifth Avenue.
05:16:07.640
Like you are unto the Lord if the Lord doesn't have to justify himself, but your husband does.
05:16:11.580
Because I have complete and full trust in the Lord, and he's a perfect person.
05:16:16.080
So aren't you supposed to obey your husband like you're supposed to...
05:16:24.140
Your cop-out is, yeah, God wants me to, but I'm not perfect.
05:16:32.060
But what does God instruct you to do with your husband?
05:16:35.900
What does God instruct you to do with your husband?
05:16:45.420
I'm assuming you and your wife are both Christian.
05:16:47.980
What if there was something that was just such...
05:16:50.540
Like, goes completely against the Bible that you wanted to do, and she tried to explain to you that was...
05:16:56.040
Well, then in that case, it would not comport with reason or faith.
05:17:10.480
Even not giving you a justification is not unreasonable.
05:17:13.460
What would be unreasonable is if he was like, we're going to go out tonight, and we're going to take a baby and sacrifice it to Satan.
05:17:20.240
That would not comport with the reason and the nature of God.
05:17:25.980
But what if she can't say no if she's supposed to be completely submissive to her?
05:17:30.760
No, she can say no if it doesn't comport with the nature and reason of God.
05:17:35.780
But that ain't going to be where your kids go to school, is it?
05:17:38.220
That ain't going to be where your kids go to school.
05:17:39.320
What if I said God's really calling you that they need to go to this Christian school and they need to do this, and my husband said, nope, sending them to public school?
05:17:45.120
Well, if you think that God married you up to the person who he also told you to submit to, but wants you to question him every chance you get and have him justify his decisions to you, right?
05:18:02.580
What if your husband says, oh, well, God told me you're stupid and wrong, and they're going over here.
05:18:06.900
What would your justification then be from your reasonable brain?
05:18:11.900
Well, I feel like that's an unreasonable statement.
05:18:13.880
Oh, I feel like it's unreasonable to go to him and say, God told me X against your will.
05:18:18.840
But there's logic behind that, being like, I want my kids to be raised in a Christian school and this, that, and that.
05:18:25.180
Yeah, but the logic also is the confrontation of adhering to your husband's word.
05:18:41.920
What I'm saying is I would like to be a part of the conversation and him make the ultimate decision.
05:18:48.440
That would be awesome if he lets you be part of the conversation.
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But he doesn't need to if you're submitted to him.
05:19:02.340
And I think that a man that I would want to marry would keep me a part of that conversation out of kindness and respect.
05:19:06.960
So you would move over to your preference of liberated woman, right?
05:19:17.580
Pull up the umbrella thing, then I got to move it on.
05:19:19.940
So I guess this is the biblical order of the family, Christ, husband, wife, children.
05:19:34.440
So my explanation for this would be that Christ and the adherence to Christ's word would be the top in the hierarchy for the family unit.
05:19:47.440
The next would come that the representation of Christ in a marriage is the man who is the head of the marriage.
05:19:55.100
Oh, so that was like who's in order of like power?
05:19:57.420
So just to explain it, though, is that the woman represents the body of the church and the man the head.
05:20:03.580
And so the man is representing the head of Christ.
05:20:06.900
That's his representation role in the marriage.
05:20:08.780
And then the woman is representing the body of Christ.
05:20:12.020
And so then the woman's direct responsibility is the children and the husband.
05:20:16.360
Husband's responsibility is the flagship decision maker for all of that.
05:20:26.280
Do you ever need to justify or does the top of that list, the Christ head, ever need to justify shit to you?
05:20:36.720
Okay, it never needs to justify anything to you ever, right?
05:20:45.760
Okay, now explain to me why the husband does have to.
05:20:52.360
Gracie, why are you dissing Riley after two years?
05:20:57.940
Ain't no way this 40-year-old bum with gray hair talking to these girls, Brian, a blank for real.
05:21:12.580
That's the, I've gotten that joke a lot, Natalie Huck, too.
05:21:17.540
My last name's Howe, but people mispronounce it, Huck, so Huck, too.
05:21:23.540
I was like, baby, we have friends who spent $200.
05:21:31.980
Oh, I was just asking on the husband head, why does he have to justify to you again?
05:21:37.360
Because I think, I, again, not saying he has to, but I think it would be very respectful
05:21:46.260
It would be nice, and I think someone that I would want to marry, I would love to see that.
05:22:00.780
She already had the chance of submitting to a man.
05:22:03.600
He wanted her to dress modestly and remove provocative photos off her Instagram.
05:22:07.580
She chose to call him insecure instead, egalitarian bullshit.
05:22:10.840
I never called him insecure for not wanting to buy what I was wearing.
05:22:14.240
I was also not, I was not girlfriend and boyfriend with him.
05:22:17.060
I would submit to a man if he's, if we're girlfriend and boyfriend.
05:22:20.960
So why do you have an expectation that a man fall into his traditional gender roles immediately, first date, but if he's starting to have these expectations of you on your end, you have objections to it.
05:22:32.880
Because when you submit to a man, it should be someone that you trust and you know is faith-based.
05:22:36.660
So why should you pay for a girl on a first date and you don't trust her?
05:22:39.920
Well, that actually avoids his question, though.
05:22:42.220
The question is, if the expectation is that he falls into a traditional gender role, that's the expectation from your end.
05:22:50.800
Why shouldn't his expectation be immediately on the first date you also do?
05:22:55.620
Because we have no sense of loyalty to, oh wait, you're saying like, why wouldn't I submit to him initially?
05:23:02.360
No, if your expectation, I'm not asking for commitment submission, but if the expectation of gender role is, from their perspective, Christian like your own, then they would expect that you not dress provocatively, et cetera, et cetera, right?
05:23:15.400
So after talking to a guy for like a week, I'm just supposed to delete every single thing?
05:23:19.420
Only if your expectation is that he falls into a traditional gender role.
05:23:23.740
So you're saying that a traditional gender role for a woman would be that they don't have these things posted or that's what I'm kind of confused about?
05:23:30.520
I mean, probably not, but even if we were to grant that they did, just the dressing provocatively and this kind of thing, if they said, okay, well, my preference is for you not to do that even on the first date, if your expectation is that they pay, that seems fair.
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That seems like the expectation of gender role is, at that point, complete, right?
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If your expectation is that he fucking pays for everything.
05:24:03.020
I wouldn't be offended if he asked to split or anything.
05:24:13.980
I wouldn't be like, if he was having trouble with money or whatever it is, maybe let's not go out.
05:24:31.420
Oh, I probably wouldn't be able to explain it better than he did.
05:24:33.360
I mean, it's just like, if you're expecting him to pay on the first date and do all the
05:24:36.440
things that a man is supposed to do, he's supposed to just automatically just do it.
05:24:39.420
Why can't you just automatically do what you're supposed to do as a woman?
05:24:42.900
So you're saying, as a woman, I'm supposed to dress more, automatically submit or dress
05:24:49.520
It wouldn't be an automatic submission because in the idea of marriage, because marriage is
05:24:57.780
It's not just a, you know, from the Christian worldview, it's sacramental.
05:25:01.780
So no, you're not going to do a sacramental marriage with a guy in the first date.
05:25:05.920
But if the expectation is that you follow a more traditional female gender role, then
05:25:10.780
shouldn't you be, I don't know, a bit more meek, let him not only lead on the date, but
05:25:15.420
kind of, you know, in this way, also not dress as provocatively.
05:25:19.640
Like those would be all the kind of typical traditional gender.
05:25:23.700
On the date, I wasn't dressed provocatively and I wasn't actively posting that stuff.
05:25:30.680
If his determination, in his mind, if he deems it to be provocative, I mean, do you think
05:25:39.560
Okay, no, no, just answer that question though.
05:25:42.180
You probably don't think they're provocative, right?
05:25:46.180
So your sense of what, just by, I know you posted those after your date, but your own
05:25:51.700
sense of what is provocative and what is not provocative does not compute with what
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So he would probably say that is provocative to post bikini thirst trap photos.
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And he's looking for different things than I was.
05:26:05.040
But if you're going to be submissive, your idea of what is provocative or not provocative
05:26:11.740
I agree, but I will only be submissive when I'm in a committed relationship with someone
05:26:17.560
Let's say you are in a committed relationship and the man says, I find these photos to be
05:26:22.820
provocative and you just ideally, you, in your head, you're like, no way, that's not
05:26:32.380
Will you be submissive to him even though you disagree with his assessment of the provocativeness?
05:26:39.000
I think at a point where I'm in a, like, committed relationship like that probably won't be when
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I'm this age and like, oh, it's just, I don't think I would be posting that in the first place.
05:26:47.900
You didn't answer the question, so let's try again.
05:26:58.280
If it's something that really upsets him, yeah, I would take them down.
05:27:03.760
If he's uncomfortable with it, I would take it down.
05:27:05.680
Would you fight him on it because you have a difference of view when it comes to if it's
05:27:10.880
If I really respect him and want to be submissive to this guy and I really trust him and I think
05:27:13.600
that he's a faith-based man of God, then if he said that he's uncomfortable with it or
05:27:27.460
I'm still confused, though, about, like, you had objections to him having these comments.
05:27:32.400
I mean, you kind of already just went over it, but you'd want a guy to pay for the first
05:27:36.520
date, do all these things, et cetera, et cetera.
05:27:38.620
You expect that immediately, but you took issue with him kind of trying to put in a
05:27:47.620
But it wasn't, I think, where we're having, like, differing here is that it wasn't said
05:27:52.380
in a, like, this is something that makes me uncomfortable or whatever.
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Like, it was more of a, like, basically, you're a slut.
05:28:06.500
I would like to note, though, before Brian moves it on, just this one last thing.
05:28:11.580
When we're talking about submission from a religious Christian sense, would you agree
05:28:16.400
with me that the reason that this is in place specifically is so that if decisions are made
05:28:22.360
that you don't like, even with or without, you know, your consent, essentially, that the
05:28:28.860
purpose of this is to say it doesn't matter because ultimately you're putting your trust
05:28:40.420
Blondie, just admit that you're a closet feminist and brain-hum was him saying bullshit.
05:28:50.620
I was just saying that the purpose of this for why you almost, it's blind submission in
05:28:56.960
a way to your husband, that specifically it's so that when these big decisions do come up
05:29:03.160
that you may fight him tooth and nail on because you can be such an influence on his decision
05:29:08.340
making, that the reason that you really shouldn't question the decision making much is because
05:29:14.440
it actually hampers his ability to lead properly.
05:29:18.320
And I was talking about this with literally my parents the other day.
05:29:20.920
My mom would have said that they're both two butting heads and that didn't work that
05:29:26.600
That's why I would say if it's ultimately a decision.
05:29:27.940
Hang on, but if you agree with that, then even by the standard of how you view reason,
05:29:34.480
it does actually comport with reason for him to make decisions and not discuss them
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We have some supers to read, but first, Nick, can you pull up, actually, just go to
05:29:51.720
Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow and a prime sub if you have one, twitch.tv slash
05:29:58.700
By the way, it looks like the Crucible rated us.
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I don't know if that was Rachel or somebody else.
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Good to see you guys in the chat, Crucible crew.
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Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever if you can get that pulled up.
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Guys, if you're watching on Twitch, drop us a follow.
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If you're watching on YouTube, drop us a follow.
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Thank you, Andrew, for fighting against their brainwashing.
05:30:47.800
These women don't even realize the extent of it, starting from Sesame Street on humans
05:30:56.180
Actually, Lowell Paladin, he makes a good point against the kind of antinatalist mindset, which
05:31:04.940
You know, Lowell Paladin, you're a really good contributor to the show, too.
05:31:15.560
How many male comments does she get on her Instagram versus how many women comment on
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If you want to go look at the posts, it's usually just all my girlfriends.
05:31:32.520
So, yeah, there's usually no male comments, but you can check it if you want.
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She already had a chance of submitting to a man.
05:31:49.960
He wanted her to dress modestly and remove provocative photos off her Instagram.
05:31:54.500
She chose to call him Insecure instead, the egalitarian bull.
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And also, the Insecure was separate from the dressing modestly.
05:32:08.020
We had the dating apps, but one was from Yellow?
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We can do the bow, but let's do the dating app first.
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Dance off with a crackhead at the Pirate Bar in Tampa.
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My simple pleasure, having a full pack of dude wipes.
05:33:36.660
I have all the people that asked this table to answer that.
05:33:54.040
So, there's a picture of me, and then it says, a life goal of mine, travel to all the national
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parks in a camper van and write my novels whilst doing so.
05:34:31.400
It goes, on the next picture, it has the full thing.
05:34:35.540
The hallmark of a good relationship is growth mindset, being aware of ego, know how to apologize
05:34:40.140
and take accountability, humor, laughter, gratitude, spontaneity, some similar hobbies,
05:34:55.220
You really think you shouldn't try to change another person?
05:35:00.440
Sure, you guys are going to impact each other and you're going to grow being together.
05:35:05.920
What I mean by that is if I have been with someone and then my mental health and my personhood
05:35:12.420
is actually getting worse because that's not the right relationship with me.
05:35:14.380
Instead of trying to change someone to be different than who they are, you know what I'm saying?
05:35:19.320
Yeah, but I think the idea of self and who you are, you probably agree with this, is pretty
05:35:28.380
So, I would say like a person who has no ambition who wakes up with ambition is a different
05:35:37.800
So, that would be positive change in a relationship.
05:35:41.560
But couldn't you run into this problem when you say positive change, right?
05:35:45.900
Of trying to give them positive change when it's not actually positive.
05:35:51.520
So, when you say don't try to change each other, you don't really mean don't try to change
05:35:56.120
I should change that because that's not what I mean.
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This is a, I think this is, this would be like pretty submissive, I think.
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Anybody else here think, like, they would be submissive, they want to be submissive to boyfriend?
05:37:18.300
Would you, if your husband wanted you to bow, would you do it?
05:37:21.900
I mean, I mean, if he's, if that's really what he likes, sure, yeah.
05:37:30.800
He just was like, he saw that video from my podcast.
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He's like, oh, that'd be cool if, like, my girlfriend or wife did that.
05:37:53.400
I would want to understand why he would want to be bowed to first.
05:38:05.420
I would laugh and do it after thinking about it.
05:38:07.600
But what if he was like, I want you to do this every time, if you're just at home, like,
05:38:12.840
and he comes home from work, every time he comes home from work.
05:38:21.900
Here, before I get into that, I'll have everybody answer.
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So going back to you, Gracie, you want to get married?
05:38:47.440
Would you want a man to get down on one knee to do it, to propose?
05:38:51.800
How much would you want him to spend on the ring?
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You'd be fine with, like, a cubic zirconia, like a $20?
05:38:59.680
I honestly think that some, like, crystals are kind of really cute.
05:39:06.240
So your whole friend group, all their husbands, spent thousands of dollars on a ring, and you
05:39:11.880
Well, honestly, I would probably be marrying somebody who is hardworking enough to be able
05:39:33.100
Yeah, but my husband would want to spend something on me, I'd assume.
05:39:37.620
But so you would be dissatisfied if he did not spend a sufficient amount of money on the
05:39:48.340
To be clear, you want a man to get down, looking up at you, get down on one knee, kneel in front
05:39:56.020
of you, which I think is far more submissive, submissive than you're still standing.
05:40:06.720
Well, yeah, it's traditional to get down on one knee.
05:40:09.180
It's not traditional to bow in how I was raised.
05:40:13.280
It's not traditional to bow to a man that walks into a room.
05:40:24.680
Well, you can desire things that are not, I mean, if we really can go into tradition, like
05:40:29.600
do you, are you, I mean, is the woman a virgin on her wedding night?
05:40:36.040
I mean, we can have a conversation about what's traditional, what's not traditional.
05:40:40.240
In any case, when a lot of women's expectations when it comes to the proposal is that he get
05:40:45.960
down on one knee with a ring of a certain expense, look up, oh, will you marry me?
05:40:54.040
So you want, you're okay with the guy doing that?
05:41:00.000
Andrew probably stood there through the ring at her.
05:41:07.460
No, I didn't do that, but I really wanted to lean into it.
05:41:13.200
You know, it's really funny, though, bringing up my wife because she's watched that clip
05:41:16.920
now, I don't know, like a dozen times, and she says that Brian's way off base, that that's
05:41:23.240
not submission, that that's just basic, she calls it basic bitch shit.
05:41:28.560
She says, who gives a shit if this, this is her words, I'm just paraphrasing her, right?
05:41:33.580
Who cares if this stupid broad bows and cooks his noodles?
05:41:39.460
Wait until he makes a decision that she doesn't like.
05:41:43.040
Then we'll see if that chick is submissive or not.
05:41:45.580
I think that that's a really valid point because it's like, what she's saying there is, you're
05:41:57.880
In the comparison to the expectation on the other side, I think you better bow.
05:42:06.760
And I think that that's what she's getting at with that.
05:42:13.860
Like asking for a bow that takes like no effort.
05:42:17.680
You burn like a quarter of a calorie doing it, probably less.
05:42:23.220
It'll please your husband or boyfriend or whatever if he wants it, I guess.
05:42:43.880
She's like, and if they won't do that basic shit, that chick ain't going to do nothing.
05:42:55.300
She went home and she was like, okay, I'm going to do it just to do it.
05:43:00.300
And she made his meal and she put it down and she bowed.
05:43:06.380
And she told him and he was like, well, do that more.
05:43:13.100
We've shown this video for 50 episodes now at this point.
05:43:16.160
So the amount of women who have DM'd me and said, I tried that with my boyfriend, tried
05:43:22.380
that with my husband, 99% of them say the husband, the boyfriend loved that shit.
05:43:30.660
One of them will, a couple of them will be like, oh, he thought it was kind of like, what
05:43:41.220
The same women who will be like, who will say, I wouldn't bow for a man.
05:43:51.380
We'll let a guy jizz on your face the first time meeting.
05:43:57.740
The same girl who's like, I wouldn't bow for a guy.
05:44:02.100
You make men punch themselves in the balls for you.
05:44:04.900
I mean, I wouldn't let a man jizz on my face the first time I met him.
05:44:13.760
You don't think there's women out there that like have one night stands and get blasted
05:44:17.960
I'm sure there are, but I'm not one of them, you know?
05:44:19.780
Don't touch the face, but she can punch them in the nuts.
05:44:23.520
I don't, I haven't punched them in the nuts and we kick them.
05:44:25.520
They won't, they won't bow for you, but they will literally let you inside of them on
05:44:43.220
Her notes, you're going to like this one, Andrew.
05:44:45.340
I know you can't stay for too long, but you'll have enough time to get into her with this.
05:44:54.520
Going around the table, what are your thoughts on age gaps?
05:45:03.620
Well, I just, I guess we're going to get everybody's input on this, but you can start
05:45:08.520
So the reason why I said that was because I would say that a girl, because she's still
05:45:15.060
I don't think that an 18 year old that is fresh out of high school is going to say, you
05:45:18.520
know, I'm ready to go get married and settle down.
05:45:26.620
Well, before we get into it, we'll let everybody share their opinions.
05:45:30.920
I think it depends on where both people are at in life and if it like coincides with where
05:45:53.260
That's just not something I would personally do or encourage my friends to do.
05:46:20.900
I think the oldest I would go is, like, Kelly Oubre.
05:46:43.960
But, like, as a blanket statement, probably not.
05:47:02.180
And then, really quick, just what's the, going back around the table, what's, like,
05:47:07.500
So, just say your age again, and then say the oldest that you would date.
05:47:13.200
The oldest out of the day is probably, like, 45.
05:47:34.440
So, you would all object to me dating a 19-year-old?
05:47:47.420
I feel like your lifestyles would be so different.
05:47:51.900
Like, I'm thinking of my life right now, like, going into college.
05:47:55.480
So, I would not, first of all, want to be dating anybody, but second of all, like, be
05:48:01.700
in the position to be in a relationship with somebody who is already, like, secure in their
05:48:07.120
lifestyle, knows what they want, is working on their career, like, that type of thing.
05:48:11.400
I would need time and space for myself to do that.
05:48:13.680
I mean, when I brought up some of those men who are really attractive, high status, even
05:48:18.200
though they're far older than I am, you seem to consider it.
05:48:22.300
The only person I said I would consider is somebody who's 25.
05:48:25.480
I mean, you were pausing there for Ryan Reynolds and-
05:48:34.140
So, you're saying Chris Hemsworth steps to you, super rich, handsome, status, A-list
05:48:42.200
I think I would genuinely question, like, why me?
05:48:49.900
Because there are so many other women in his same stage of life and in his circle, I'd
05:48:58.480
imagine, that are single and would be interested.
05:49:03.460
Like, why would you have to step down to somebody my age, you know?
05:49:05.900
So, the only reason that I'm against it is, like, I don't mind a big age gap.
05:49:13.440
But I would say that when you're, like, 20 and older, it's fine.
05:49:17.620
Because my dad was 32 when he met my mom when she was 21.
05:49:23.440
So, I mean, you have an example in your own life.
05:49:28.780
Like, 18, 19, you're literally fresh out of high school.
05:49:32.920
Your parents expect you to probably finish school or just start college.
05:49:36.120
They don't expect you to meet a 35-year-old dude and get married.
05:49:39.100
And realistically, a lot of fathers would not accept something like that.
05:49:43.540
I'm not saying women are obliged or forced to date older men.
05:49:49.060
But I don't see anything wrong if the woman wanted to and the man wanted to.
05:49:53.000
I can't actually think of anything wrong with it.
05:49:56.440
So, I've never, in other words, I've never, this is what I would say.
05:50:00.140
I've never actually heard a compelling moral argument for why I would be wrong if the age of adulthood is considered 18 for somebody with a significant age gap relationship to date or marry an 18-year-old.
05:50:13.860
I've never heard a compelling moral argument against it.
05:50:17.740
So, what is a 35-year-old, like, when you look at, when you're a 35-year-old man, you see an 18-year-old girl that can't even, she can't drink.
05:50:24.940
She can't legally do a lot of things at her age.
05:50:31.160
She could go into the army, whatever she wants.
05:50:35.340
But at 18, she can make decisions like that for her career and stuff.
05:50:40.220
But she can't determine who she wants to be with.
05:50:49.920
She can do everything in the world except decide who she wants to date.
05:50:54.520
I just said, I just personally, I don't agree with that type of an age gap because she's
05:51:00.420
I think, like, what is a 35-year-old man looking at an 18-year-old?
05:51:01.020
But let's say high school lasted until you were 20.
05:51:04.160
Then would the fresh out of the high school thing...
05:51:06.140
Because that's good rhetoric, right, to say fresh out of high school.
05:51:08.780
But if it lasted until you were 20, would you still say fresh out of high school?
05:51:13.580
So, the high school thing is not relevant here.
05:51:17.780
In high school, right, the idea here is that you think that there's some kind of ick factor
05:51:31.520
But I can't make a moral argument against them.
05:51:37.300
So, if I'm thinking of me at age 18 versus me even now at 27, mentally, what I'm able
05:51:45.020
to understand, how I'm able to articulate myself, the type of decisions I'm making are
05:51:54.100
Because that'll be the same case when you're 37.
05:51:56.740
So, why should we let you date right now at 27?
05:51:59.400
So, at 27, I shouldn't date a 40-year-old because, but, because, so what I'm saying
05:52:05.080
though, which I think it does have a good argument, is don't you think an 18-year-old,
05:52:10.020
like, their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed yet?
05:52:12.600
Like, why, why are they, why should they be, like, morally, don't you think that would
05:52:16.460
be wrong of the 35-year-old to be, like, I see it as almost like, that's like a little
05:52:23.540
Is your objection that the prefrontal cortex is not fully developed?
05:52:26.360
Yes, like, I, I wouldn't consider myself actually being an adult until I was 25.
05:52:30.500
That's the year I'd say, wow, I actually think I was an adult.
05:52:33.240
So then, by this logic, women should not be able to vote until they're 25.
05:52:40.520
I don't, well, I, I wouldn't say that I can say the same thing for men, but I would think
05:52:46.340
that we would be able to vote at the same time.
05:52:48.000
But wait, the objection is not that men should not be able to at 18 date 40-year-old women.
05:52:51.800
I know, I just didn't want it to be that an 18-year-old boy can vote and a 25-year-old
05:52:57.980
Because you're not saying that men shouldn't date 40-year-old women at 18 because their
05:53:04.880
I don't, I'm saying I can't get in the brain of them, I can't get in the brain.
05:53:08.760
Do their prefrontal cortexes develop at the same rate?
05:53:16.560
So you, so you want, so, so wait, so, so men can't make the decision to date until what,
05:53:28.140
Well, I'm not saying that it's like they absolutely shouldn't, it's illegal, but I'm saying when
05:53:34.140
you were saying, oh, I don't know if there's like a moral standpoint, I would.
05:53:36.600
You sound like I've heard a moral standpoint, you say, so if you say, if you're going to
05:53:40.640
make this claim, I'm not an adult until I'm 25 because my Abdullah Ablangada is not completely
05:53:51.320
Why the fuck would I let you do any adult shit then?
05:53:55.820
Why would I let you, why would I let you join politics?
05:54:00.800
So then if, if it doesn't develop till 25, then, then, okay, raise the age of consent
05:54:07.200
to 25, because that's when you're an adult, I'm all for it.
05:54:11.620
All I need you to hear, all I need to hear from you is women are incapable of, of giving
05:54:26.840
Oh, well, then I guess you can't say it's immoral.
05:54:28.880
I can only, I can only speak for me if I put myself and, and I know that I'm not.
05:54:35.520
No, I know that if I was 18, that absolutely would have not been a healthy or morally correct
05:54:40.260
situation for me to be with a man who's 35 years old.
05:54:49.000
Um, I have a master's degree, so in creative writing, and I have six books, so.
05:54:58.160
I do have a bachelor's in psychology, a master's in creative writing.
05:55:06.220
I'm willing to cede the ground that we should wait to call people adults till they're 25.
05:55:12.720
But that means the entailment of that is we have to treat them like they're not adults
05:55:18.440
until they're 25, which means no voting, no age of consent.
05:55:23.640
They can't be, they can't have sex with somebody who's 26 then, uh, until they're 25.
05:55:29.240
If they're 24, they can't have sex with a 26 year old.
05:55:31.760
It'd be like a 16 year old screwing an 18 year old, right?
05:55:40.000
If you're fine saying that that's what you want, then I can agree to it.
05:55:46.120
Then I would say I'd have to know on the back end more research of why it's actually 18
05:55:54.060
Because physiologically it's completely undamaging for females at age 18 to 21 to have children.
05:56:00.860
You could make the argument 17, 16, 15 on average, you're going to incur more damage.
05:56:07.360
It's a healthy age for child rearing, just like 19 is, 20, 21.
05:56:11.920
The reason they want to start early is so that you can have as many children as possible.
05:56:25.800
I'm absolutely certain that most men at 35 who wanted to get married to an 18 year old
05:56:35.280
The primary reason would be because they wanted to have lots and lots of sex with them and
05:56:46.660
That's the thing that gets me is like, how do I, how do you construct a moral argument
05:56:52.220
that that's incorrect for them to do if they're adults?
05:56:58.340
What's actually incorrect if that is their most fertile years between 18, 20, let's say
05:57:10.980
How long were you like looking at my daughter for you to even say, you know what?
05:57:23.420
Like your dad would be like, how long have you known this guy before you married him?
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How long were you talking to her for you to be like, you know, this is my potential life.
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Let's just grant they met, they first made contact, she was 18.
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So are you literally just scouting out just 18-year-olds or you just met her randomly one day?
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I'm going to assume that they're just scouting out 18-year-olds.
05:57:49.880
But you just don't think it's like a little weird?
05:57:54.460
Regardless of if I think it's weird or I think it's ick or I think it's gross or any number of different things, right?
05:58:02.260
The Orthodox, my religion, don't even endorse age gaps that wide, okay?
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But ultimately, I cannot think of why if it gives you the ick, that makes it immoral.
05:58:18.200
If I were to say LGBTQ gives me the ick, right?
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Would you accept that as being a valid argument for why they shouldn't be LGBTQ?
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Fuck no, you ain't going to accept that, right?
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So if you wouldn't accept that, then why the fuck would a guy ever accept that it gives you the ick as being something valid for anything?
05:58:43.980
Yes, but I don't think that my point about an 18-year-old potentially being too young is about an ick at all.
05:58:51.040
I think that someone who's 36 has double the amount of life experience as an 18-year-old.
05:58:58.600
Because a 26-year-old and a 26-year-old, one of them can still have double the life experience of the other.
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So would you make the objection, the same objection, if there's two 26-year-olds, one of them had double the life experience of the other one, would you make the same objection?
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So if I wouldn't, or I'm sorry, if you wouldn't make that same objection, then it gives you the ick.
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I was going to ask sort of almost a similar question as you, Andrew, on that.
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So you could have, for example, if you had a 40-year-old man who was a rock star, traveled the world, had all these experiences, sexual experiences, whatever,
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and then he wants to date a 40-year-old woman who worked, who lived in a small town, dull life, never went outside of her town.
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Or you can also have it the opposite direction, where you could say the 19-year-old girl, right, partied hard in high school and traveled the world with her family and all sorts of shit,
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gets married to a 35-year-old fuddy-duddy churchgoer who really hasn't had much experience outside of just gets up and goes to work every day.
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So you could even make the case the opposite direction, that it's possible for the younger person to have more life experience than the older person.
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Though I would grant probably not the case, right?
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Most certainly is in the case of most people that I've met who get married around the same age, that one is far more mature than the other.
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My thought then is, if the 18-year-old was mature enough and had the capability to meet at the intellectual level of the 35-year-old, then yes, I think that that could work.
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Then it can't be immoral for a 35-year-old to marry an 18-year-old.
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I don't understand the meet at the intellectual level.
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It just means that they're equally yoked somehow.
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And then that's another part of, you know, I'm thinking they, like, I was just thinking when I'm thinking of me at 18, holy hell, no way is that going with the 36-year-old.
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This is the same thing that when you think about the idea, because we argue this, right?
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But the truth is, it's like, basically nobody does this.
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Ultimately, most everybody dates within about three years and marries within about three years.
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But if you are going to kind of talk about the fringe cases, because they're interesting, and that's why we're talking about them, right?
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Then ultimately, I think we better have something more than, it's just kind of gross.
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Well, I mean, plenty of women have anecdotes about, you know, maybe not all the men they've dated are significant age gaps.
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But a lot of women have had age gap relationships, especially when they were younger.
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The overwhelming majority of them, they really are dating within a few.
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And this actually, the reason this makes a lot of sense is because you're a product of the people that you're around the most.
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And usually, it's going to be this friend group you're with in high school.
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If you're at work, it's probably going to be around the same age.
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If you're working at Starbucks, you're probably not going to be 50.
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So people tend to kind of meet each other around those same ages.
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But I'll tell you something really interesting.
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In the UK, they did a study where they took, and this is the Office of National Statistics.
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They took every marriage which had ever occurred in the UK, which was recorded, to look for a deviation in divorce rates.
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The assumption here being, because some stupid-ass study in the U.S. came out saying that age gap relationships fail at this massive rate.
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They went through and looked for the deviation to see if they couldn't find whether or not there was a significant difference in the divorces between age gap and non-age gap relationships.
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There was no significant difference at all, none, which means they worked out just as much as the ones that didn't, which kind of makes sense because it wasn't that long ago that age gaps, even when my dad was a kid, very common.
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My mom, like, same thing, my mom and dad, just like yours, massive age gap.
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So it sounded like everybody was, oh, you got to take off.
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We're going to maybe move the chairs around a little bit.
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Us two are going to have to leave pretty soon, too.
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And then I think we're going to move chairs around a little bit.
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So I think what we're going to do, Maddie, I'm going to put you back over here.
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And I'm just going to have you four shift down.
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You take that seat, and then you take that seat.
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I'm just kind of fixing the angles here a little bit.
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You can honestly, any mods, you can just permaban people who are saying they're going to leave, too.
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Two years later, she wants a divorce, and I find out that gifts like a wedding band can't be split in a divorce.
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What would you say to that relationship of an 18-year-old and a 35-year-old if they stayed married for 50-plus years?
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I just don't agree with that type of an age gap when you're a teenager.
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I mean, if they last for that long, then good for them.
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What do you think, like, the big jump is between, like, 18, 19 to 20?
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That's just what I think it is for me personally is maturity level.
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Like, you think after 19, everyone just, like, gets mature, and then at 20, you're, like, I don't know.
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Yeah, I know what you're saying, but it's just, it's probably also just how I grew up, and then the way that a lot of us are raised is to, like, they want us to go to college and do all these things,
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and then the last thing that they want to see is a 35, 40-year-old man hitting under 18-year-old.
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Like, scoot your chair, you scoot through your chair this way?
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I was just saying, it's just basically just, I would just say just how I grew up and how we're all raised.
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Like, we have, like, a whole, like, plan for our lives that our parents set for us.
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And then seeing, like, a 35-year-old dude hitting on your 18-year-old, you're going to be like, eh, that's a little weird.
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But if they last, then we have one more chat here.
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Women moving on to different men, if they don't conceive is normal for our species, birth control has destroyed the natural order.
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If she's not getting pregnant, finding a new man is good for species.
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I do want to, I mean, I'm going to keep it on age gap a little bit there because I had to get up for a moment.
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But I'm assuming you don't have any issue with sex work, right?
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So should 18-year-old women be allowed to do sex work?
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But, again, I mean, I guess you're a legal adult.
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I mean, I do see a problem with it just because, I mean, you're 18, 19, like you're still a teenager regardless of whether you're a legal adult or not.
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I don't understand, like, if there was a word that described an age range from, like, 10 to 30, right, I don't see how that's really helpful because, like, you'll, when this age gap conversation comes up, you'll use loaded language, like, but they're a teenager.
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Yes, a 19-year-old is technically a teenager, but so too is a 13-year-old.
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Now, can we agree that dating, like, if someone wanted to date a 13-year-old, that's way more, like, that's, first off, it's criminal.
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Like, if you're 22 and you're dating a 19-year-old, she's a teenager, right?
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But using the word teenager is very, like, it's a very intentional spin.
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No, you're attempting to pathologize it by using loaded language.
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No, I mean, I was just stating a fact, like, you are technically...
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But you're going to frame it as, in a way, why would you want to date a teenager when a teenager can also encompass a 13-year-old?
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But you're not a P-word if you want to date a 19-year-old.
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Right, but I'm just pointing out the way in which you use loaded language.
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So when you spin, it's like, okay, there's the truth, and then you're going to try to, like, shift kind of the perception of something by using certain language.
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Okay, well, that wasn't really my intention to you.
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Right, but, I mean, so teenager is simply represent, like, so teen, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, right?
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It's a term that applies to a very wide age range, right?
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So if there's an equivalent term that equated to, like, the age from 10 to 30, I'm sure you would agree that this really means nothing.
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You want to date a quibble, and that's from, like, 10?
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Oh, so you want to date a, you're 33, and you want to date a 30-year-old.
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I don't think anybody here has any objections to that, but if somebody wanted, like, a 30-year-old, wanted to date, like, a 10-year-old quibble, I just made this shit up.
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It would not really be useful for the sake of conversation.
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So just pointing out while they're a teenager, okay, that's not really an argument.
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You're still impressionable, and I don't think you have enough life experience at that point to be able to make those informed decisions, and that's my take on that.
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Okay, so then, I mean, I wasn't here, but so then women should just not be able to vote at 18 then, right?
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I mean, I would say you can't say, like, women.
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I feel like 18 is pretty young because I don't think that a lot of 18-year-olds really have a concept, a good concept of politics.
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So knowing this, like knowing that younger people tend to lean more liberal, especially women.
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I mean, they tend to lean more liberal in general.
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But knowing this, like let's say, when should the voting age be?
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But again, I don't really have any authority to even come up with that.
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I would say, yeah, 21 is at the age where you've, I think, dealt with enough things in life that you can, you know, hold your own as an adult.
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You probably have a plan by then at 21, like to get your life started.
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Maybe if you want to, you're like, you know what, I just finished college.
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I would just say 18, you don't know what you want to do with your life yet, majority 18-year-olds.
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Unless you're, like, very religious, which is fine.
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Or if you're, like, from the country or the south or something.
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But when you're 18, you don't really know what you really want to do.
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What does that have to do with who you can or cannot date?
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So, okay, just should 18-year-olds not be able to sign contracts, too?
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Well, don't they need a parent if they want an apartment?
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Well, that's, I mean, as an 18-year-old, you can legally enter into a contract.
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Whether people will enter into a contract with an 18-year-old without a cosigner, for example, that's another conversation.
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But at what point do we start, you know, removing agency from what society has deemed as an adult?
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So, you can't legally enter into a contract until you're 21.
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Well, I'm pretty sure you, to get student loans, if I'm not, or maybe it's something else.
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But I think you have to be 24 to be considered, like, an independent from your parent when it comes to getting, like, certain grants and stuff like that.
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I don't know about Pell grants, but I'm pretty sure an 18-year-old can get student loans.
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But there are certain grants that you just can't get as an 18-year-old.
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You have to have your parent, like, cosign on that.
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Yeah, but there's no, I don't think that's a law.
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These are just companies that, I don't know the specifics when it comes to car rentals.
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There's no law that precludes a company from renting to people who are under 25.
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These rental companies perhaps have made a determination.
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And I think you might be able to actually, I don't know precisely, but they've just made a determination that it's a liability to them to rent to under 25.
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Like, you have to do, like, a $300 cover for it.
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I just haven't really heard a compelling reason on this.
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But, so, like, what's the, so I've heard of, like, what are the actual arguments?
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It's just something that I personally just don't agree with.
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Majority of parents would not agree with that if they saw their daughter that's 18 trying to marry someone that's 30, 35.
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Initially, they probably wouldn't agree with it.
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Maybe over time once they get to know the man, they get to know his intent.
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Like, what he plans to, like, if their values mesh, then sure.
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Would you prefer to see her go to college and just have a string of men her age fuck her once and never talk to her again?
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Or see her in a loving, committed, monogamous relationship with a 30-year-old who treats her well?
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You're saying that she's going to get used while she's in college.
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Isn't that what happens to most women in college?
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Most college boys who are in their age range, a lot of them don't want a relationship.
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Some, plenty of women will find relationships in college.
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But I think a lot of women's experiences, they just go, they get from, they jump from neck guy to guy to guy.
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Like, what are the values that you instilled in your daughter?
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You never got played by a guy who was like, oh, I want everything, blah, blah, blah.
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But it's like this idea that, okay, if I date guys, you're just as likely to encounter toxic
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Actually, I would argue that comparatively speaking, you're probably a little more likely to run
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into a fuck boy at your age than if a guy's a little bit older.
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But I'm just like, okay, now, I'll even grant, though, like, if the comparison is, okay, long-term
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monogamous healthy relationship with a guy who's her age versus a guy who's 30, I don't
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think there's anything wrong if you were to say, I prefer it with a guy her age.
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But also, if a lot of women's experience is, okay, well, I'm getting mistreated by the
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men who are my age, I don't actually think there's any objection if they meet a guy who's
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a bit older and he wants a long-term relationship.
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I think that that's a probably better position to be in than to be just getting a string of
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Like, initially, no, it doesn't matter who you are, you're going to think it's odd.
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But as you get to know the guy and you get to see, like, you know what, maybe this guy
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is actually good for my daughter and I trust him with her life and her safety and they
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want to have, you know, they want to take things further, then that's fine.
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I'm just saying, initially, nobody's going to really, they're just going to think it's
06:18:26.860
I also think it's better in comparison, it's not necessarily better in general.
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Like, in comparison, being played after played, but not necessarily a good thing.
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Like, well, you were just comparing it to them getting, like, ran through, basically.
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I feel like in comparison, yeah, obviously the better option is the older man.
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But it's like, it's not necessarily the case that it's either being run through or a 35-year-old
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Sure, that's not always, like, going to be the case.
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And it could be the case that the 35-year-old, 40-year-old, whatever it is, just wants sex and
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But presented with that situation, I mean, a lot of the complaints we've had, over a
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thousand women come on the show, a lot of the complaints that we hear from girls who
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are in college, 18, 19, 20, 21, is these guys don't want commitment, they don't want to
06:19:28.020
And anyways, talking about my specific situation, so I would never be in a situation where I'm,
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like, going and hanging out at college parties or some shit.
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Like, I would date a girl who's older than me, too.
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But I actually don't see anything wrong with dating a girl who's 20, and I'm 35.
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Like, 19, like, freshman year of college, or, like, what are we talking here?
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It's more like where they are in life than, like, yeah, than, like, the actual age itself.
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Because you could have an 18-year-old that's still in high school, and then you could also
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have one that's, like, a junior or sophomore in college.
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Like, if, when I was on dating apps, I would put the age range from, like, 18 to 40.
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So I'll date older, I'll date younger, you know?
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To me, but it's not, like, I think some of your objections would be, like, oh, what if
06:20:31.540
this dude, like, his age range, he's 30-something, and it's, like, 18 to 20 only.
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He only is, like, going in for that, whereas I guess it's kind of like casting a wider net,
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I'm not even on date, if, I'm not on dating apps, whatever.
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What if a 19-year-old girl slid into my DMs, which happens?
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Well, if she's ready for a commitment, she's not trying to use you for a come-up, then what's
06:21:03.240
Bro, no girl can use me for a come-up, because I don't, like, I don't know.
06:21:05.860
No, if I'm dating a girl, bro, she's not, she's not getting on the show, she's not getting
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So, I'm not, yeah, I'm not really worried about that.
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You're, like, dating a girl, she's absolutely not coming on.
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I'm the word, bro, you can't clout, you can't really clout dig me.
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Like, if you're trying to date me so you can get clout, it's not, no.
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Like, that's why I laugh, I think, just to separate immediately, like, you already know
06:21:37.660
then that that girl's not coming at you for the clout, because you could let her not front,
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like, you're not, you can't use me for clout, because you're not coming on the podcast.
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Yeah, you're not, like, I'm not going to post you anywhere, you're not, we're not going
06:21:49.880
Like, if I got a girlfriend, I could have, I could have had a girlfriend for the past two
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Like, nobody, like, nobody who watches the show would know about it.
06:22:01.080
Are you getting it down on one knee with the $12,000 ring, saying, will you marry?
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I'm not getting married, that's a whole other thing.
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I don't know, fine, I'll, if she's, I was going to make a joke, never mind.
06:22:22.560
Well, a lot of religious relationships will last longer, right?
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I just didn't agree with, because she was saying that men are better parents than.
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It was just that she was saying on another podcast that men are better parents than women.
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I just, I wouldn't even say one is better than the other.
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But the reason why I would disagree is because a lot of the times when we're, as children,
06:23:12.460
We go to, we just go to our mom for literally everything.
06:23:15.820
And a lot of times when we ask our dad for something, go ask your mother.
06:23:18.300
Like, she's literally the, our mothers are the main ones that literally come to all of
06:23:22.720
our sporting events, anything that has to do with school, if we're sick, whatever the
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case may be, whatever, if we're in trouble, she's the first one that we call.
06:23:34.840
I'm not even saying that even mothers make better parents, but as far as the disciplinary
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I don't think one is better than the other, to be quite honest with you.
06:23:47.180
So if we compare single mothers to single fathers, who tends to raise better children?
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I'm talking about a two-parent household, though.
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A two-parent household where you literally have the mother and the father.
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That's where she, that was, that's what she was talking about.
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I'm not talking about single mothers, single, that's a whole different conversation.
06:24:04.420
I mean, if there are better parents in single-parent households, wouldn't it also apply to two-parent
06:24:13.200
So, well, I mean, you said that single fathers tend to do a better job raising children than
06:24:19.640
No, when it comes to discipline, that they're better at disciplining their children.
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And then they're literally always there for us, 100% of the time.
06:24:29.340
Even when they're busy, when they're tired, when they're taking a shit, they're always,
06:24:33.540
Right, but, I mean, I mean, this is not something I've really given a whole lot of thought, aside
06:24:42.920
No, yeah, the single-parent household, that thing is, I would just say, like, a lot of
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I think both people play a very important role.
06:24:50.800
So, Pearl was arguing, though, that men, even in two-parent households, play a more important
06:24:58.660
She was saying, oh, according to statistics, it says that men are just better at being
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And it's just like, Pearl, you know damn well, like, all the things I listed, like, when
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we're sick and everything, we always go to our mom.
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So, when she was saying that, it didn't make any sense to me.
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I even asked my mom about it, and she's like, what?
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She's like, your dad was out working the majority of the time, and I was always at home with
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And my mom also had a job, too, so I just didn't understand, like, what Pearl was coming
06:25:26.360
Well, I think she was probably making the argument.
06:25:30.720
She's essentially just saying, well, okay, when it comes to single parents, who does a
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And so, she's applying that metric to, well, it's probably somewhat applicable, even in
06:25:44.040
a two-parent household, where the dad's role is potentially more impactful.
06:25:51.100
I don't know if I agree with it, but that's probably what she's arguing.
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I think she was also saying that dads are more nurturing than the mothers, and I don't
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The moms will literally get on their whole nurse outfit and try to help fix the problem.
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Yeah, I just didn't know where you stood on that, or.
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I don't really, I don't think I really have a position on that.
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I think the normalcy of cheating has made it so women in particular have very low standards,
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because nowadays, everyone has a story about cheating that a man caring in the slightest
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Everyone has a story about cheating that a man caring in the slightest feels like princess
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I think, I don't even think this is very much of a hot take.
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It's just like, I think all of us can agree that we have either personally been cheated
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on or know someone very closely who has been, and it's been really normalized that now that's
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all really, that we have to compare relationships to is like, how shitty one guy has treated
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either you or your friends in the past that you're like, oh, he like opened the door for
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You know, it just has lowered standards in general, I think.
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So you're saying if a guy opens the door for you, that's like, whoa, okay.
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Bro, I ain't ever opened a door for a girl and she's like, want some pussy?
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I've never had a girl like, oh, that was so nice of you, Brian.
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I'm saying comparatively, when somebody treats you decently, it feels better because all you
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have to compare it to is the idea that men treat women shitty.
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Or is it the men that you go after, that you date, that you choose to be in relationships
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with, that you choose to hook up with, they treat you shitty.
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I'm not saying that it's entirely like men's fault or anything.
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I'm just saying as a topic of conversation, it is something to consider.
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So why is there a trope of, and even women will admit this, they're attracted to bad boys,
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they're attracted to jerks, they're attracted to assholes.
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Is it any surprise that you get cheated on and mistreated by the same type of men that
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But that's the type of men you find attractive.
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I'm more so trying to get at the idea that given that commonly women do go for that,
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and especially now I think that that has become more common, it also has made women's standards
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for men lower because when we think about how our last relationship treated us, typically
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A guy you were in a not-and-again, off-again situationship, not really clear if you guys
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But I'm just saying that overall, we have lowered our standards, I personally think.
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I think women have inflated their standards and expectations on men.
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You're talking about, like, normal, like, normal girls?
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The amount of money that I was making, if I made, like, 20K a year, I just always
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ended up with guys that were literally making around the same amount.
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We have to trust that you're even going to be able to be a good father to our kids.
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Like, how are they low if you're so picky, too?
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So, you women will have men who, if you wanted to...
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Like, men don't often have, like, multiple women in the pocket that they could, like, go
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to at any given time and just be like, I want a relationship with her right now.
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All the dudes in your friend-zone, if you go to them, I want commitment.
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But you don't have girls in the friend-zone, either?
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You think guys, just, like, average dudes, have, like, five chicks in the friend-zone that
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want to fuck them and be in a relationship with them?
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Well, I'm not saying I have, like, five guys just on my phone being like, oh, yeah,
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Okay, all of you take out your phones right now.
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I want you to text one of your male friends and be like, what's the best framing for this?
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Hey, what do you think about being more than friends?
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The way we put it was, have you ever thought of being one?
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Because girls will do this to, like, dudes who have a girlfriend.
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You got to do it to, like, a single male friend.
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Look, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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But what we, I actually, just for the sake of time, we can't really do it.
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But we've had women who've done this on the show.
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They text the guy, and the guy's like, I'm down.
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But you're saying that, like, you think that it's, like, and do you have girlfriends?
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Well, my boyfriend is friends with them also, but.
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My boyfriend is, like, this has the same stance.
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He thinks that any guy in the friend zone would be with any girl if they could, but.
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I'm pretty confident, like, even the guys who know she has a boyfriend, they might even
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If Maddie was, like, down, they'd probably take it.
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But, like, there's probably, like, a dude who would.
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And then if you broke up with Frankie, does that number change?
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Anyways, I don't know how we got to the friends thing.
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The increase in price men have to pay for lower value women.
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So, basically, like, women are bringing less to the table.
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I feel like your point, though, is not, though, that the expectations are higher, but it's
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Oh, you're attracted to the guys who treat you shittily.
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A lot of guys who, oh, you've never heard a girl say he's too nice.
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He's good looking, good personality, treats me well.
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You guys are looking for a guy who triggers your, like, anxious, like, something.
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Like, you want a guy to kind of be, like, a little, I don't know, treat you a little poorly.
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So, we had a guy on the show who said something.
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I don't co-sign this, but he says, if you treat them like dirt, they stick to you like mud.
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Um, look, I just think this whole, like, I don't know, the whole, like, click thing,
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it basically boils down to he doesn't trigger your anxious trauma response.
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I don't know, did you have more thoughts on that?
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You think the standards, like, are way too low for the dudes?
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I mean, honestly, I'm here to hear other people's point of view, so I really don't have anything.
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I just, I don't know, like, what are the standards, though?
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I'm just trying to hear, like, what the standards are.
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Just not, like, showing general interest as much.
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Um, so if a guy doesn't respond to you within three hours, it's...
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Like, then I think that's just kind of, like...
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I would say, if you're dating a guy and you don't hear from him at all for a whole day, that's a problem.
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You don't even tell me, oh, um, hey, I just want to let you know I'm thinking about you, but I won't be able to get back to you today.
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Like, a whole day and you're actually actively dating that person, that's a problem.
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We're gonna go into a row section, and then we're gonna wrap the show here pretty soon.
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Guys, I'm gonna lower the TTS trigger here, and then we're gonna wrap here pretty soon.
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So, do you think it's insecure for men to care about a woman's body count?
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I feel like if you don't know, like, especially if you don't know her, like, prior, like, who she was with, like, it doesn't really matter.
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I think it would be normal for anyone to be curious about who their partner's been with and what kind of life they've led before them.
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Yeah, I think body count matters for a woman, too, yeah.
06:40:08.300
Well, I mean, so, really quick clarifying question, though.
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Would you object to a man refusing to date a woman because he deems her body count as too high?
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You don't think that's an appropriate metric to disqualify somebody on, or...?
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It's the same thing, like, me saying I have a height preference.
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Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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Wait, but you said body count does matter, or it doesn't matter?
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I have an IUD, but it's for, like, health concerns.
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This stream completely changed my conceptions of women.
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Entire panel was a W, including two 18-year-olds.
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I was on it for four days because of my PCOS, and it fucked up my body, so I stopped going
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on it, and I really don't love it, or the idea of it in women, because I think it fucks
06:42:16.420
Yeah, I had the same issue when I was on it when I was younger.
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It was, like, to try and regulate my period, and then I ended up having, like, hair loss,
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It's, like, very unhealthy for the human body, and not natural, so.
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Yeah, I was on it for five years, from, like, 17 to, like, 22, around that, and I got off
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of it, and, like, again, like, it just fucks your hormones up.
06:42:46.160
Or are you on birth control, or have you ever been on it?
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I mean, to be safe, it's probably a good idea, but there's non-hormonal options, like copper IUD,
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that don't, I mean, there are some side, there's certainly side effects to it, but it doesn't, like, fuck her hormones.
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I mean, there can be increased bleeding, spotting, et cetera.
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Pain sometimes, but, um, I suppose that's better than getting pregnant, you know?
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I was going to say, unless you want kids, but I guess it's, if you're going to sleep with a girl early on,
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you're not going to want kids right away, so that makes sense.
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Who do you think is the primary victim of war, men or women?
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What about, like, okay, really quick, the Ukraine war.
06:44:47.960
Um, by the way, guys, the TTS is 30, if you want to get your final messages in before
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Like, why do you think they're both the primary victim?
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Um, because they're both being affected negatively by war?
06:45:25.500
Um, yeah, I think they're both primarily affected.
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Hats up to you, man, for unironically and unintentionally making a perfect documentary
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of what men are trying to avoid in this modern dating hellscape.
06:45:49.820
Is Valdev the one who always sends a TTS in when the person's, like, up from the, uh,
06:45:59.100
I'm going to pause that temporarily just so we can get through it.
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But if you guys want, uh, TTS will be paused just temporarily to get through a couple things
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and then we'll let them come in and then we'll wrap the show.
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There are negative impacts to war for both men, women, children, et cetera.
06:46:16.740
But is, you know, maybe worse for one gender over the other?
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But, I mean, women have to deal with, like, if they are relying on a man, they have to
06:46:37.360
deal with not having the man in the house, um, to help them.
06:46:43.180
So, um, who's the, I guess, when it comes, so you're talking about suffering kind of,
06:46:50.620
Does, uh, when a woman gets pregnant and goes through pregnancy, childbirth, uh, is
06:46:59.840
the woman the primary sufferer or is the man, like the husband?
06:47:04.900
Because it's really hard for me to see my, my wife or girlfriend.
06:47:11.760
And she, you know, she's going to squeeze my hand really tight when she's going through
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And she might give me a bit of a carpal, ah, my hands, you know, she squeezed my hand
06:47:25.500
I mean, like the woman and the children are being negatively affected and you also have
06:47:29.980
I'm being negatively affected by you going through the pregnancy.
06:47:40.680
Cause when you say that the majority of the people fighting are men.
06:47:46.440
But isn't that your role as a man to protect, to fight?
06:47:50.380
So they're putting their lives literally on the line.
06:47:59.240
So typically when it comes to war, now there will be ramifications, but let's say that you,
06:48:11.720
So if we're looking at this from the perspective of the United States.
06:48:17.580
So we went to Europe and we went to the Pacific theater in World War II.
06:48:28.380
Aside from Pearl Harbor, there was not really any military action geographically in the United
06:48:36.380
Actually, funnily enough, the Japanese like here locally in Santa Barbara, they like bombed
06:48:45.700
We were fighting in other countries and those were primarily the men.
06:48:49.520
Now the women, they lost their husbands or brothers or sons, whatever.
06:48:54.780
But like in this instance where, because for example, you could, you can make a stronger
06:49:00.860
argument if, well, if they're fighting on your turf and the women are also like civilian
06:49:06.980
Well, that's what I was going to say after that.
06:49:09.480
But so if we're looking at, for example, when it came to the U.S. involvement in World War
06:49:13.780
II, who would you say was the primary victim of war among United States citizens for World
06:49:21.780
I mean, there wasn't, I mean, other than Pearl Harbor, there wasn't anything going on
06:49:27.240
So I mean, primarily when you're talking about the physicality of it, sure, men were the
06:49:34.260
Now, so let's even bring this though and apply it to your woman and you live in a country
06:49:43.600
So there is a chance there for you to be, especially if you're close to the front, there's a chance
06:49:48.220
there for you to be bombed or you said there's civilian casualties, civilian casualties do make
06:49:56.460
But if we look at the Ukraine war, for example, so all the Ukrainian men had to stay in the
06:50:03.320
They couldn't, whereas women were allowed to flee.
06:50:06.340
So if you're a Ukrainian woman, you can just pass into a different country.
06:50:14.400
You're going to end up in London, Stockholm, wherever.
06:50:21.740
Some of those men were drafted into military service.
06:50:25.840
Not sure the exact numbers, as far as how many of those drafted men died.
06:50:31.720
If that was sort of the general thing that occurred in war, so men had to stay in fight,
06:50:38.000
women were able to retreat and flee, would that not be?
06:50:44.160
I mean, if you, again, if you're talking about like in the physical sense of being a victim,
06:50:49.620
But, I mean, I'm sure there's still women affected by it, like physically.
06:50:54.260
I mean, you also have the issue of like your whole entire life being derailed and you don't
06:51:22.900
I also have to get home because I have class tomorrow, but...
06:51:42.960
I mean, there's still like notes and we got to let the messages come through, but you
06:52:41.460
Question to all the girls on the panel, Israel or Palestine and why?
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Of course, the Austrian doesn't know about war victims.
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Wonder what her grandfather or great-grandfather was doing from 1933 to 1945.
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You're a CCP spy trying to sow discord in the West and undermine Western woman, worsening our reproduction.
06:53:26.060
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If a man gets blown up, the woman will be sad and hurt and find a new man.
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But that man cannot move on with his life and be unblown up.
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Miss Piggy, if it's men's role to protect women, then it's women's role to have our children.
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Good morning from Germany from a retired Iraq war vet.
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Grateful to be alive today by the grace of God.
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Ladies, name three branches of U.S. government.
06:55:16.580
Let me see if there's anything else here before we wrap up the show.
06:55:23.980
I think I should have freed the chat if you guys wanted to.
06:55:36.280
What women in their lives are really being affected?
06:55:39.420
I would like you to look a wounded soldier in the eye and tell them that you're a victim
06:55:54.660
Let me see about, let me just check who we're going to read.
06:56:02.360
Oh, we didn't even do, okay, we have to do Lucia.
06:56:11.300
You said your ex-boyfriend had another girlfriend without you knowing for eight months.
06:56:27.620
Here, I'll pause the messages so you can get through it.
06:56:36.800
But the funny thing, this is back when Instagram, like you could see who like was liking stuff
06:56:41.660
And he was liking all like these girls' pictures, not hers.
06:56:53.440
And she told me all these lies that he said about me.
06:56:56.920
And, you know, then he tried to like, you know, like I think hurt her like physically.
06:57:05.960
She actually just reached out to me pretty recently.
06:57:08.640
You said, um, why, why ugly men have high standards for women?
06:57:16.460
Like it's always the fugliest men have the most to say, in my opinion.
06:57:27.420
Well, like, but who are you to appraise men of how they look?
06:57:31.880
Well, again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
06:57:33.920
I mean, what I might think is a 10, someone might think is, you know, a five.
06:57:39.140
But like maybe these men who you think are ugly, like actually a lot of women, a lot of
06:57:46.500
And so wouldn't it be fair for them to have high standards?
06:57:50.000
Also, what's wrong with having high standards if like, even if you're not attractive?
06:57:54.040
I mean, I just think like you need to take a like good hard look in the mirror and be
06:57:58.640
like, all right, I'm a fugly man and I shouldn't have such high standards.
06:58:08.220
Should, should fugly women also think that way?
06:58:17.920
There's no, so there's fugly men, but not fugly women.
06:58:43.860
I mean, it pretty much just plays into the arguments I made during the 10 segment, but
06:58:47.800
you said that you disagree with a lot of things about the show, but usually the pick me culture
06:58:55.440
I just think like, if you agree with whatever, obviously you or like, um, your other male
06:59:09.300
Like, it's like, okay, you're automatically liked, you know what I mean?
06:59:17.620
Well, I mean, I invite, I actually give, uh, when it comes to booking people for the show,
06:59:22.580
people who disagree actually get a preferential, uh, treatment when it comes to slots and booking
06:59:29.280
So I'm actually very open to having my views challenged.
06:59:32.480
In fact, one of the first questions I think we asked was who has disagreements.
06:59:38.300
But so, um, obviously, isn't that just human nature?
06:59:49.120
I mean, yeah, but I think too, it's like, uh, some of the values that some women have,
06:59:55.240
like, it kind of contradicts like what it means to be a woman.
06:59:59.860
Like, there's a lot that goes into like femininity.
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And I don't think that like some women respect themselves enough to like truly stand up for
07:00:08.320
like objectively what is right, which is, I guess, subjective to some people.
07:00:17.860
Well, I mean, honestly, like I'm over this conversation.
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I just, she gets the kick out right before the show.
07:00:50.860
Let me let the chats come in and then we're wrapping the show.
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My buddy, who is a vet from Afghanistan, says I can't take advice from these women.
07:02:13.160
Don't Austrians go out to the club till like 4 a.m.?
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I mean, y'all party until like 3 in the morning getting fucking drunk and cross-faded.
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You can't sit in a high-rise apartment and just let me, like, be respectful.
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Thank you, everyone, for staying through the whole show.
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Thank you, Brian Slash staff, for putting on the great show as always.
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Maddie remains the most ideal woman in the room, though.
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Those of you watching on Twitch, we are going to raid.
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I guess we might as well show because I have to do my outro shit.
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Guys, it's been 26 minutes since we last got a Prime.
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If you can drop us a follow before you leave, drop us a Prime sub before you leave.
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If you're watching on YouTube, just drop, open up another tab, drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
07:03:38.680
Hey, Desi bro, thank you for clearing up the Twitch bug.
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You've been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, supports the show.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
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If you live in Santa Barbara, you can also DM us at whatever on Instagram.
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If you live in Santa Barbara, you want to join the team, whatever.
07:04:30.020
Guys, so we did a debate with CrayCrayDesiree on Thursday, and she like, I don't know what
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you would consider it a flash, an assault, an attack.
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Speaking as a fugly man, I am highly offended by Redhead.
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Can't believe he would disrespect his own like that.
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I mean, W, she gave me a, I mean, she just let me clip farm her, so she could have just
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kept it cool, but she gave me the kick, so farmed, like World of Warcraft.
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Drop us one last follow, and we're going to raid Woe Grandma here.
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We're going to do the raid, then we're going to wrap.
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All right, she's playing World of Warcraft Retail.
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Just tell her she should come on the show, boys.
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That thing said Riverbend, but it had added names.
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I should just start playing World of Warcraft instead of doing the dating podcast.
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Should I just play World of Warcraft instead of the shit?
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Maybe once I'm done, once I retire from this, I'll do it.
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Anyways, she's in the thumbnail, so we have to do a quick reaction to it because she's
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Would you date a, on one hand, she's wearing a cross, but also titties out.
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Is that like, kind of like, doesn't make sense, you know?
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I would say a bit too much makeup on the left and on the right.
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Not really commenting on the girl on the middle.