Whatever Podcast - Toxic Man Hating 10⧸10 ＂Goddess＂ EXPLOITS Men？! (KICKED OFF) Andrew Wilson DESTROYS Misandrist？! ｜ Dating Talk #184

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00:03:56.520 without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell

00:04:00.680 us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, I'm Courtney. I'm 34, and I work

00:04:05.720 at an emergency animal hospital. All right. And you're also a stand-up comedian. Is that

00:04:11.000 correct? Yes, I do stand-up. Okay. How long have you been doing stand-up for? Like five years.

00:04:15.340 All right. And you said you're an emergency vet tech, is that? I'm not a vet tech. Oh, you work

00:04:21.180 at the... I do reception. Reception. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. And where are you from originally?

00:04:25.480 Toledo, Ohio. Okay. How long have you been in Santa Barbara for? About three years or so.

00:04:32.140 All right. Cool. Welcome. Yeah. My name is Lucy. I am 26. I'll be 27 in 16 days. And I live

00:04:39.380 in Phoenix, Arizona currently. I'm a bartender, and then I do financial domination on the side.

00:04:45.760 And you're from where again? Sorry. I'm originally from Wilmington, Delaware. Okay. And you do...

00:04:50.960 What is financial domination? Yeah. Findom? Yeah. It's basically power exchange through money.

00:04:57.560 It's part of the BDSM community. So it's like a kink. And how do you find your clients? Do you have...

00:05:04.280 I have Twitter. I have loyal fans. Instagram. I don't really use Reddit.

00:05:10.680 Loyal fans? Yeah. It's like only fans, but different. Yeah.

00:05:14.380 So I'm still confused. What is it now? What do you do? So I basically, I play into certain

00:05:23.000 kinks for men, and they give me money for it. Sometimes it's just the kink of financial

00:05:28.620 domination, which they get off to giving me money. Yeah, but I'm still confused what financial

00:05:33.560 domination itself is. What is that? I just said it's when men get off to giving me money.

00:05:38.920 Oh, okay. Gotcha. What is your Twitter username? I'm just curious.

00:05:45.980 Lust for Lucia.

00:05:48.420 L-U-C-H-I-A?

00:05:51.200 L-U-C-I-A. Okay. 0.97

00:05:53.260 I wouldn't bring it up, though. There's some not safe to work content on there.

00:05:56.320 Yeah, we're not going to follow that up. Okay, cool.

00:05:59.860 Lust for Lucia. Okay. 0.67

00:06:01.880 Yeah, Lucia. Okay. What about you?

00:06:05.320 Hi, my name is Rihanna, and I'm 27 years old. I am from Thousand Oaks, California, about an

00:06:12.760 hour away here from Santa Barbara. And I'm a poet, author, novelist, and business owner.

00:06:19.680 Age? Sorry.

00:06:20.840 27.

00:06:21.400 27. Okay. Sorry, your Twitter, it's with a F-O-R or four?

00:06:27.560 Four, like the number.

00:06:28.640 The number. Okay, I see. Okay. What about you?

00:06:31.180 Hi, I'm Enya. I'm 18 years old, and I'm from Austria.

00:06:34.480 Yeah. All right. What brings you to Santa Barbara?

00:06:37.680 I make a language trip.

00:06:40.240 Okay. You go to EF?

00:06:42.040 Yes.

00:06:42.760 Okay. And how long are you in Santa Barbara for?

00:06:49.280 Two days. I arrived for...

00:06:52.340 How long will you be... So you arrived two days ago?

00:06:55.060 Yes.

00:06:56.200 And you'll be staying for how long?

00:06:58.560 Two weeks.

00:06:59.640 Oh, only two weeks.

00:07:00.540 Yeah, only two weeks.

00:07:01.220 Okay. And then you go back to Austria, back... And you're going to go to university, or...?

00:07:07.040 Just normal school.

00:07:08.760 Okay. All right. What about you?

00:07:11.120 Hi, my name is Natalie. I'm from Orange County, California. I'm 18, and I'm going to the University

00:07:16.660 of Missouri for health sciences.

00:07:18.800 All right. Welcome. What about you?

00:07:20.720 I'm Gracie. I'm 18 from Orange County, and I am a student at San Diego State University.

00:07:26.560 Oh, what do you two study? What do you study?

00:07:29.260 I'm studying kinesiology for pre-physical therapy, and I'm doing health sciences, pre-professional.

00:07:34.560 All right. Got it. What about you?

00:07:37.060 Hi, my name is Kishwan. I'm from San Diego.

00:07:41.100 Kay.

00:07:41.500 Kay. And I'm 30 years old. And right now, I'm actually a waitress at a high-end resort, but

00:07:46.960 I also do personal training on the side.

00:07:48.980 All right. Andrew?

00:07:50.700 My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. It is, to my knowledge, the fastest-growing

00:07:54.540 debate channel anywhere on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and occasionally

00:07:59.580 I like to engage in debates.

00:08:01.860 All right. Welcome, everybody. So we're going to go around the table once more. We're going

00:08:07.720 to get everybody's current relationship status. So are you single, talking, stage, situationship,

00:08:13.680 friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, whatever it may be. If

00:08:18.580 you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've ever

00:08:22.400 been in? Go ahead. I'm currently in a relationship. The longest relationship I've ever been in

00:08:28.780 is probably close to seven years, not the current one. The current one's like 10 months or so.

00:08:34.480 All right. And orientation?

00:08:37.820 I'm bi.

00:08:38.720 Gotcha. And your current partner is a woman? 0.99

00:08:40.720 Man.

00:08:41.340 Man. Okay. And you said your longest was seven-plus years.

00:08:44.440 Mm-hmm.

00:08:44.660 Okay. With a man or a woman? 0.93

00:08:46.140 With a man.

00:08:46.480 Got it. What about you?

00:08:48.100 I am currently single, kind of in a few situationships, I guess. What was the other

00:08:54.920 question?

00:08:56.080 Longest relationship?

00:08:57.480 A year.

00:08:58.940 You said you're in a few situations.

00:09:01.460 I actually just ended one, so I guess, yeah, one.

00:09:06.180 Just one?

00:09:06.900 Yeah.

00:09:07.340 But you were...

00:09:08.480 I just ended one this week.

00:09:09.900 You had two.

00:09:10.560 Two.

00:09:11.100 Yeah.

00:09:12.020 What's the most amount of people you've been seeing in any given time?

00:09:20.540 Maybe like three.

00:09:23.100 Three? Okay.

00:09:24.540 Yeah. At like the same time, yeah.

00:09:26.540 So your remaining situationship, how long have you been in that situationship?

00:09:31.460 Like six months.

00:09:33.260 Six months? What about the one that just ended?

00:09:35.760 Like six months, yeah.

00:09:37.960 Around the same time.

00:09:39.040 Around the same time.

00:09:39.840 And in the six-month period, have there been any other people kind of coming in, going,

00:09:48.460 short-term?

00:09:49.300 I had like a five-year-long situationship that I ended in like January, but it was very complicated.

00:09:57.920 Complicated how?

00:10:00.500 He had substance abuse issues, you know.

00:10:03.960 We were long distance.

00:10:06.820 Things just didn't work out.

00:10:08.280 I still have a lot of love for him, though.

00:10:10.580 So long distance.

00:10:11.700 So was it off again, on again?

00:10:13.520 Yeah.

00:10:13.740 On again, off again?

00:10:14.480 Yeah.

00:10:14.940 And which one of you ended the situation ship?

00:10:17.200 I did.

00:10:17.680 I blocked him.

00:10:18.360 You did.

00:10:18.580 Okay.

00:10:19.060 Okay.

00:10:20.920 Were you at any point considered, like, did you consider each other boyfriend, girlfriend?

00:10:25.740 No, we never put like a true label on it, but we were pretty like emotionally invested

00:10:29.920 in each other.

00:10:31.280 Okay.

00:10:31.680 So it wasn't monogamous?

00:10:35.700 Again, we didn't put a label on it.

00:10:37.120 So, I mean, I don't know what he was doing behind the scenes, but he was a pretty decent

00:10:41.320 person, I think.

00:10:42.220 So I don't know.

00:10:43.460 Well, isn't the situation ship a label?

00:10:45.740 I mean, yeah, it's a label, but like, I don't think he would call it a situation ship.

00:10:49.600 What would he call you his girlfriend?

00:10:52.760 No.

00:10:53.340 So what would he call it then?

00:10:55.740 I don't know.

00:10:56.420 We were involved together.

00:10:57.520 You guys were just seeing each other?

00:10:58.740 Yeah.

00:10:58.920 And you said that it was five years, but long distance.

00:11:05.760 On and off, yeah.

00:11:06.680 On and off.

00:11:08.680 You said he was pretty good when I asked you about if it was monogamous.

00:11:13.640 So was he loyal to you?

00:11:15.900 Again, I don't know, because I don't try to like look too far into that, like, unless we're

00:11:20.520 actually dating.

00:11:22.660 Like, actually like boyfriend, girlfriend.

00:11:25.360 Were you monogamous with him? 0.80

00:11:27.380 Yeah, I was really into him.

00:11:28.620 I didn't talk to anyone.

00:11:29.120 For the whole five years?

00:11:30.340 I mean, obviously it was on and off, so no.

00:11:32.300 But when we were like engaged with each other, yeah, we were.

00:11:36.220 All right.

00:11:36.860 And I had actually one question kind of going back a little bit to your intro.

00:11:41.460 You describe yourself in your Instagram as a devalicious alpha bimbo evil genius. 1.00

00:11:50.560 Yes.

00:11:51.480 What does that mean?

00:11:53.880 I'm a little confused.

00:11:54.840 Um, I mean, it's kind of up for like viewer interpretation.

00:12:00.340 Like, what do you think a devalicious alpha bimbo evil genius is? 1.00

00:12:05.300 Like.

00:12:06.160 I don't know.

00:12:07.280 I don't know.

00:12:07.940 I think it's pretty straightforward.

00:12:08.740 Well, let's start with devalicious.

00:12:09.960 Do you consider yourself a diva?

00:12:11.340 Yes.

00:12:12.200 What makes you a diva?

00:12:13.300 Um, I don't know. 1.00

00:12:15.340 I don't really like put up with anyone's bullshit. 0.99

00:12:18.240 Like, I'm kind of like sassy, prissy, you know. 0.99

00:12:24.160 And you said you're an alpha.

00:12:27.180 Mm-hmm.

00:12:27.980 I don't know if there's a difference between an alpha and alpha bimbo.

00:12:31.200 There's also other, there's alpha bimbo evil genius. 1.00

00:12:34.600 A lot of descriptive words here.

00:12:36.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:36.920 Um, evil genius. 0.99

00:12:40.380 So, are you evil or are you an evil genius? 1.00

00:12:42.620 Or both? 0.99

00:12:43.780 Both.

00:12:44.580 So, what makes you evil, I suppose?

00:12:47.280 Um.

00:12:47.920 The way you treat men?

00:12:49.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:50.760 So, what are the evil ways in which you treat men?

00:12:53.180 I mean, regarding like my financial domination and also femdom, um, I guess you could call me evil.

00:13:00.320 Because like I have them do pretty bad things to themselves.

00:13:03.260 Like hurt themselves.

00:13:04.380 So, you're talking like BDSM?

00:13:05.960 Mm-hmm.

00:13:06.920 Well, I mean, there's some component of consent there.

00:13:09.340 There is consent, yeah.

00:13:10.380 But you could call me evil. 0.59

00:13:12.220 So, you're a sadist? 0.88

00:13:13.840 Yes. 0.85

00:13:14.560 Okay.

00:13:15.440 Are you a sadist for your own pleasure or simply for the money?

00:13:18.640 Kind of both.

00:13:19.460 I mean, I definitely like think it's fun to watch someone hurt themselves for me.

00:13:25.140 But like, this is like men.

00:13:26.560 Like, I would never like want to do that to a woman. 0.99

00:13:28.600 Why is that?

00:13:29.700 Because I prefer women to men. 0.95

00:13:33.040 Romantically or in general?

00:13:34.120 No, just like as people.

00:13:36.360 Why is that?

00:13:37.920 Because I think, you know, I'm a woman.

00:13:39.740 I think I'm more aligned with female values. 0.96

00:13:42.700 Which are what?

00:13:44.500 Um, being feminine, divine femininity. 0.68

00:13:48.100 I don't know.

00:13:48.960 What is the, I'm sorry.

00:13:49.880 I don't mean to ask you a million questions, but what is divine femininity? 1.00

00:13:53.880 Um, it's just basically being like a boss.

00:13:58.440 Like just believing in yourself and having confidence and I don't know.

00:14:06.500 Um, okay.

00:14:08.360 And you also just, well, okay.

00:14:11.320 You describe yourself as alpha.

00:14:13.460 Yes.

00:14:14.020 What does that mean?

00:14:15.120 I'm dominant.

00:14:16.120 So I'm alpha in most situations.

00:14:18.400 Yeah.

00:14:19.320 Okay.

00:14:19.620 And going to your Twitter, thank you for providing that.

00:14:23.220 Yeah, of course.

00:14:23.340 You call yourself a fatal seductress.

00:14:25.880 Mm-hmm.

00:14:26.880 What is that?

00:14:28.520 Um, I am pretty good at seducing men and for some, it can be a very fatal attraction.

00:14:35.260 Maybe not like fatal in the literal sense.

00:14:37.400 Literally fatal.

00:14:39.220 But I mean, fatal to their finances, sure.

00:14:41.820 Well, we'll get into that actually, but, um, you said you're pretty good at seducing men. 0.99

00:14:49.180 Yes.

00:14:50.560 So isn't that just kind of the life of a woman? 0.99

00:14:55.920 I mean, I don't think all women like try to seduce men.

00:14:59.500 Well, but I mean, like essentially you're saying I'm really good at getting men, but like, isn't

00:15:05.460 that just the default setting for women? 1.00

00:15:08.060 I mean, sure.

00:15:09.320 Like if that's how you look at it.

00:15:10.920 Yeah.

00:15:11.820 But like, that's like a woman who says she has game and she's able to sleep with a lot 1.00

00:15:16.680 of men. 1.00

00:15:17.240 It's like no shit. 1.00

00:15:19.060 Any woman can sleep with a lot of men. 1.00

00:15:21.620 I mean, there are, there are fem cells. 0.86

00:15:23.820 There are fem cells out there. 1.00

00:15:25.740 So.

00:15:26.160 I actually don't even believe that's a thing.

00:15:28.420 I mean, there's plenty of people that identify with the fem cell community. 0.96

00:15:32.760 Well, they identify.

00:15:33.520 There's people who identify as being dogs too.

00:15:36.080 True.

00:15:36.800 Very true.

00:15:37.680 I'm seeing them.

00:15:38.360 Yeah.

00:15:38.840 So the thing is, is when he says, when he says fem cell, so the opposition of incel.

00:15:44.560 So the male incel, the way that it's perceived is they want to have a relationship with women,

00:15:52.660 but they're, they're not capable of doing so.

00:15:55.420 Yeah.

00:15:55.600 So they're trying to, but they're just not succeeding.

00:15:58.840 They're striking out over and over and over and over and over.

00:16:01.260 So when you say fem cell, this would be the same exact thing applied to women. 1.00

00:16:07.080 Yeah.

00:16:07.700 Yeah.

00:16:07.900 But what Brian's saying is he doesn't think that there are women who, if they decided to

00:16:13.580 go, for instance, and sleep with a whole grouping of various men, they're probably going to be

00:16:19.860 able to do it if they chose to do it.

00:16:21.500 Whereas if men choose to do it, they may not be able to.

00:16:24.440 But I think it's all just like, it depends on standards too.

00:16:27.920 So, I mean, some people have high standards.

00:16:31.600 That wouldn't be incel.

00:16:32.740 Do you have that comic cartoon?

00:16:34.800 Because it's an incel, like, if it's regardless of their standards, they just can't.

00:16:36.600 It's like whatever.

00:16:37.640 They just can't do it.

00:16:38.620 They can't close the deal, as it were.

00:16:40.520 Right.

00:16:41.060 Again, I mean, I think there's someone for everyone.

00:16:43.340 So, I don't know.

00:16:44.960 It's kind of like this.

00:16:45.640 That's a good question.

00:16:46.540 Go ahead and pull it up.

00:16:47.940 I'm so lonely.

00:16:50.120 Right.

00:16:50.960 This is, I mean, that's what a fem cell is essentially. 0.77

00:16:53.140 But, I mean, if we look at the actual terminology, so incel, involuntarily celibate, it's not clear

00:17:00.160 to me if a woman just got on a dating app, even if she was remarkably unattractive. 1.00

00:17:05.360 If she just made herself available for sex, she could get sex. 1.00

00:17:09.580 It's not clear to me if that applies to like a remarkably unattractive man. 0.98

00:17:14.080 If he makes himself available for sex, he's going to be able to get it.

00:17:17.760 Well, I can give you kind of an easy thought exercise for this. 0.65

00:17:19.840 Let's say you take one of the most unattractive men that you've ever met and one of the most unattractive women you've ever met. 0.98

00:17:27.500 You put a sign in their hand.

00:17:29.120 The sign just says, first car that pulls over, I'm sleeping with whoever's in it.

00:17:33.640 Okay.

00:17:34.040 That's the sign.

00:17:35.320 The guy goes out with the sign versus the woman. 0.67

00:17:38.520 Who gets stopped for first?

00:17:39.720 I mean, again, it depends.

00:17:45.360 Depends on?

00:17:46.700 A lot of factors.

00:17:48.040 Okay.

00:17:48.540 So, but I gave you the scenario of the ones that are the most attractive you know.

00:17:53.540 So we have that factor, right?

00:17:55.740 We have the factor of it's going to be an equal amount of men probably to women passing them or even more men than women.

00:18:02.020 They're holding the sign.

00:18:03.720 So we know what the scenario is.

00:18:05.520 Inside of the scenario, who's going to pull off for which sex more?

00:18:11.500 I guess women. 1.00

00:18:12.480 Yeah, women. 1.00

00:18:13.320 So that's the idea behind why Brian's saying being a fem cell likely isn't anything other than a standards issue versus I actually, you know, maybe have no standards and still can't close the deal.

00:18:27.880 Right?

00:18:28.580 Yeah.

00:18:28.900 I mean, I think there's outliers in every situation.

00:18:31.700 I agree.

00:18:32.140 Look, I agree.

00:18:33.140 I'm just saying that even if we take the outliers, I think that the outlier females would still be able to get some outlier dude to sleep with them.

00:18:43.720 But that might not be the case in the opposite direction.

00:18:46.720 Fair enough.

00:18:47.020 And then the follow-up question on that, and this might not be the way you move, but if you were inclined, like you made a decision, you woke up, you're like, you're in a brand new city.

00:18:57.960 If you don't know anybody, if you're in a brand new city, but you're like, I want to sleep with somebody tonight, how certain do you think you could pull it off?

00:19:09.320 100% certain I could.

00:19:11.160 I mean, that's not really my thing. 0.99

00:19:12.480 Like, even good-looking men can't wake up and be like, I'm going to fuck a new girl today with certainty. 1.00

00:19:19.700 Right. 0.99

00:19:19.840 They don't, even good-looking guys can't, like, they could maybe have 50-50, who knows.

00:19:26.240 No guy.

00:19:27.280 Maybe some guys.

00:19:28.520 Very few men.

00:19:29.240 Even good-looking men can't, like, definitively say, I'm going to go out and I'm 100% closing tonight.

00:19:36.360 Almost most women, if they were inclined to, could. 0.96

00:19:40.520 Fair enough.

00:19:41.220 Anyways, you said when it comes to the fatal attraction, fatal seduction, you're fatal for their bank accounts.

00:19:49.880 Have you bankrupted any men?

00:19:52.280 Not yet, but I do have one that he's teetering on a very bad plane right now.

00:19:59.740 He's not doing very well financially.

00:20:01.680 Because he's financially supporting you.

00:20:03.860 Not supporting me.

00:20:04.740 I mean, I have a, I bartend, so this is, like, supplemental income.

00:20:08.520 But he's teetering and that's part of the, his financial insecurity is part of the kink or whatever. 0.86

00:20:15.720 Yeah, but, I mean, if you're, like, I don't know, true to the practice, then you're not really going to want to truly bankrupt someone.

00:20:24.200 And, again, I mean, this is all consensual.

00:20:25.740 So, like, he has the freedom to close his laptop or block me or whatever if he really wants to.

00:20:34.580 Okay. 0.79

00:20:35.840 Do you associate a person who would be willing to bankrupt themselves to be mentally ill?

00:20:43.000 I mean, possibly, but, again. 0.61

00:20:48.080 So, like, aren't you kind of playing with mentally ill people? 0.71

00:20:51.340 I mean, we go over, like, you know, consent and, you know.

00:20:54.500 How can a mentally ill person consent? 1.00

00:20:56.860 I mean, I'm not here screening them for mental illness.

00:20:59.220 I'm not a psychiatrist.

00:21:00.220 I'm not a psychologist.

00:21:00.840 Yeah, but do you need to screen a person for mental illness if they want you to bankrupt them?

00:21:05.200 Doesn't that, doesn't that scream not well?

00:21:08.560 I mean, it's a kink. 0.99

00:21:09.560 Like, yeah, I get it's a kink, but you can understand that even through a person's perceived kinks, that would maybe be a good sign of mental illness. 0.97

00:21:18.420 It could be, but that's really not my place to judge, you know.

00:21:22.660 Well, I think it is your place to judge.

00:21:25.020 If you're the one who says, send me the money on behalf of your kink, and this could bankrupt you, who the hell else would be the judger here? 0.98

00:21:33.460 Who else could make the judgment but you?

00:21:35.880 I mean, if they have voiced that opinion to me, maybe, and if we have, like, a good relationship. 0.99

00:21:40.540 But again, like, some of these guys will approach you and then just fuck off for, like, months, years. 0.99

00:21:46.860 Sometimes they'll never come back. 0.99

00:21:47.980 Sure.

00:21:48.040 So it's like...

00:21:48.980 Yeah, no, I understand that.

00:21:50.320 But I'm talking about this specific case.

00:21:52.360 Mm-hmm.

00:21:53.060 Got a guy who's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

00:21:55.340 I mean, I don't force him to send me any money.

00:21:56.920 I understand you're not forcing him to, but what I'm asking you is, if you have somebody who has the perception, at least a perception of mental illness, and you allow them to do thing X on your behalf, knowing that they're mentally ill, how are you not responsible for that?

00:22:14.580 Well, I mean, then we'll have a conversation about that.

00:22:16.640 But he has never come forth and said, I'm mentally ill.

00:22:19.120 Again, it's a kink, so... 0.99

00:22:20.920 Yeah, but I mean, if you want to teeter on the edge of bankruptcy on purpose because it makes you fucking get off, right, wouldn't that be a sign to a normal person that that person's not well upstairs? 0.61

00:22:36.960 It could be.

00:22:38.160 Just not to you?

00:22:39.820 I mean, again, like, it's really not, like, my responsibility to be monitoring someone's mental health.

00:22:46.440 Again, if they bring it up to me and if they tell me that, you know, this is enough, like, I've had enough, cool.

00:22:52.680 Like, you know what I mean?

00:22:54.940 But I'm not going to sit there and baby them.

00:22:58.060 Like, this is a kink, a consensual kink. 0.94

00:23:00.080 We're both adults.

00:23:01.760 And if he's... 0.53

00:23:02.800 I mean, I'm pretty sure a lot of people in the BDSM community would qualify for mental illness.

00:23:09.300 You know what I mean?

00:23:10.840 So there was a guy, let's say he was 55 years old.

00:23:15.100 There was a woman who was 19 and she had a lower IQ, but she was considered an adult and functional member of society.

00:23:23.880 And he was online and they're both adults and she was consenting and he was having sex with her.

00:23:31.620 Would you find that to be an appropriate relationship?

00:23:34.660 I mean, I think 19 is pretty young and I really don't like engaging with anyone under 21 in terms of that anyway. 1.00

00:23:41.120 Okay, she's 21.

00:23:41.820 But, I mean, repeat the question again.

00:23:45.960 Do you think that if she's kind of under average IQ, but she's still a functional member of society, she's still an adult, she's still consenting, right?

00:23:54.680 She can consent to a car loan.

00:23:56.000 She can consent to a cell phone bill, right? 0.92

00:23:59.100 Do you have any issues with this guy taking advantage of her for sex? 1.00

00:24:03.640 I mean, I think it's fucked up if you're 55 years old. 1.00

00:24:07.860 Well, why? 0.99

00:24:08.160 But that's his kink. 1.00

00:24:09.140 He likes to take advantage of 21-year-old girls and have sex, but he likes it. 1.00

00:24:14.500 It gets him off. 0.99

00:24:15.860 It's his favorite.

00:24:17.620 That's a little different.

00:24:18.380 So what's the problem?

00:24:19.020 Oh, it is.

00:24:19.820 What's different about it?

00:24:20.680 I mean, you just said that she has a lower IQ, so, I mean... 0.92

00:24:23.640 Do you think that this guy who sends you enough money to bankrupt himself has a high IQ?

00:24:28.040 I mean, he has a good job, so...

00:24:29.720 So the point is, though, is that she's still a consenting adult.

00:24:33.700 It's not his responsibility to worry about her IQ, right?

00:24:38.800 I mean, I guess you make a fair point.

00:24:41.420 Again, I don't really care.

00:24:43.900 But in that case, do you think he should care?

00:24:47.940 Sure.

00:24:48.460 If he wants to care, then care.

00:24:49.840 But again...

00:24:49.940 You don't think that that's a double standard?

00:24:51.260 I mean, I've talked to him for six months now, more than that, longer than that, and we've had, you know, personal conversations.

00:24:59.420 We've had kink-based conversations, and when he tells me he doesn't have money to send, I don't make him send it. 0.86

00:25:07.240 So, and he'll send me, like, a small amount or something for coffee when he's broke.

00:25:10.920 So imagine this going back the other direction of, yeah, he's 50, and she's a little bit low IQ, but she's a consenting adult.

00:25:18.420 It's not for him to worry about whether or not she's under IQ or not, because she can consent, right?

00:25:24.400 She can consent.

00:25:25.900 And so, you know, the thing is, is he just doesn't really worry about what might happen to her as a position of him sleeping with this woman who is 21 while he's 50, or 19 while he's 50, and who has a lower than average IQ.

00:25:39.020 He just shouldn't worry about it, because she can consent.

00:25:42.860 Does that sound reasonable to you?

00:25:44.600 I mean, it's a different situation.

00:25:45.940 Again, you have a baseline conversation when you accept the submissive into your life.

00:25:53.520 You go over terms and conditions.

00:25:55.880 He did that. 0.99

00:25:56.540 He's like, look, I don't give a shit about your IQ. 1.00

00:25:59.640 I just want to have sex with you. 1.00

00:26:01.220 And she's like, okay. 1.00

00:26:04.440 Jayvanic donated $200. 1.00

00:26:06.920 Not sure if Redhead's too stupid to understand the depth of her evil, or she doesn't just like it. 1.00

00:26:11.960 I encourage viewers to pray for her, but more importantly, her victims, as she's a literal predator. 1.00

00:26:18.260 Yeah, so let's go through this.

00:26:20.420 So they agree to this.

00:26:21.900 They've agreed.

00:26:22.620 They're both consenting.

00:26:23.440 There's more coming in.

00:26:24.040 Just FYI.

00:26:26.360 Sorry, guys.

00:26:27.220 One sec.

00:26:27.640 We're letting the TTS come through.

00:26:34.140 John Slater, 1990, donated $200.

00:26:37.480 Hey, Brian.

00:26:38.460 Just wanted to drop you some support.

00:26:40.180 You get a lot of hate, but you're a good guy and one of the few who advocate for men.

00:26:44.740 Oh, thank you, man.

00:26:45.160 You deal with a lot, both on and off the show.

00:26:47.500 So cheers to you.

00:26:48.880 John Slater, thank you for the TTS, man.

00:26:50.680 Also, Giovanni, thank you for the TTS.

00:26:52.980 Yeah, a lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes that we don't really talk about.

00:26:58.000 But thank you, John Slater.

00:26:59.480 Really appreciate your support.

00:27:00.380 Thank you, man.

00:27:01.000 Go ahead, Andrew.

00:27:01.660 Anyway, yeah, so they both consent.

00:27:03.780 So that part, they have the conversation.

00:27:05.920 They're both consenting.

00:27:07.240 She is an adult.

00:27:08.320 She is a functional member of society. 1.00

00:27:09.680 She's just kind of dumb. 1.00

00:27:11.840 Okay, I mean... 1.00

00:27:13.160 Not his responsibility, right? 1.00

00:27:14.780 Don't dumb people need sex, too, though? 1.00

00:27:18.180 Okay, fair. 1.00

00:27:18.700 No responsibility, right? 1.00

00:27:20.200 Mentally ill people need to get some sex. 1.00

00:27:22.220 I mean, again, I'm a financial domination, so obviously I have some responsibility in it. 0.99

00:27:26.920 But, again, I'm not sitting there forcing them.

00:27:30.820 I'm not...

00:27:31.300 Neither is he in this situation.

00:27:32.420 I'm not approaching them.

00:27:33.060 Like, they approach me.

00:27:34.280 So imagine a guy saying this exact same thing.

00:27:37.220 But he's a man.

00:27:37.660 I didn't force her.

00:27:38.940 I'm not telling her she has to.

00:27:41.280 I'm not doing any of that.

00:27:42.800 She's consensually at 21 with her low IQ sleeping with me. 1.00

00:27:45.760 What's the problem here?

00:27:47.700 He's a man taking advantage, and he's 55.

00:27:51.060 And he has...

00:27:52.980 He's taking advantage.

00:27:54.780 Are you taking advantage?

00:27:57.040 I mean, sure, you could look at it like that.

00:27:59.120 So then I don't see how they're...

00:28:01.180 How you can make the moral equivalence that he's doing something wrong

00:28:04.760 if you would not accept that you yourself also are doing something wrong.

00:28:08.880 Do you think that...

00:28:09.440 No, I think she accepts that she's doing something wrong.

00:28:11.580 That's how I want to hear from her.

00:28:12.540 Oh, okay.

00:28:13.140 Sure, I accept that I'm doing something wrong.

00:28:15.240 Okay.

00:28:15.860 But she doesn't care. 0.71

00:28:16.820 Yeah, doesn't care.

00:28:17.460 Well, it can't be quotes if you actually do think that.

00:28:23.120 Then it's not wrong.

00:28:25.060 It would just be wrong, right?

00:28:27.740 Sure.

00:28:28.420 Okay.

00:28:29.060 I have a question.

00:28:29.760 Do you continue the relationships if they're not paying?

00:28:33.000 I mean, like...

00:28:33.680 Because you're saying you're not forcing them to pay.

00:28:35.780 But then do you continue talking to them if they're not paying?

00:28:37.700 I mean, if they've sent a good amount, like they're my submissive,

00:28:40.220 and I've taken them on as that, then sure, I'll talk to them.

00:28:45.000 All right.

00:28:45.760 Do you think society...

00:28:47.500 What do you think society would say to a guy

00:28:50.700 who was openly having a relationship like that with a 21-year-old?

00:28:55.400 How do you think they would judge him?

00:28:56.920 Just society in general?

00:28:58.100 They would tar and feather him.

00:28:59.640 I don't know.

00:29:00.260 I mean, honestly, what do you think they would do?

00:29:02.400 I think a big factor to consider in the hypothetical situation is the age gap.

00:29:07.000 Because, like, what's the age gap between you and this guy?

00:29:09.540 He's like 47, and I'm 26.

00:29:12.520 Okay.

00:29:13.740 That's something to consider, at least.

00:29:14.780 Still a massive age gap.

00:29:15.800 Yeah.

00:29:16.400 But the question still, I still...

00:29:19.360 I'm just asking, what do you think the perception would be?

00:29:22.900 I already said it would be a bad perception.

00:29:25.020 It would be a bad perception.

00:29:25.880 Why do you think it would be that way?

00:29:27.120 Because men have a bad reputation for a good reason.

00:29:33.220 What's...

00:29:33.700 Well, I mean, I literally have not heard yet a man, not once yet,

00:29:41.200 tell me that they have teetered women on the brink of financial ruin, 0.99

00:29:45.340 and they don't give a shit. 0.99

00:29:46.720 I have not heard that one time. 0.99

00:29:49.540 But I have heard this story that you're telling me dozens of times on this show.

00:29:53.480 Yeah, I think you're omitting the fact, though, that, again, it's a kink, 1.00

00:29:57.760 and I'm being approached, and this is what I do.

00:30:01.440 Yeah, but in that case, it would just be a kink. 0.97

00:30:05.320 There's plenty of kinks out there that people would view as taboo and wrong,

00:30:09.760 and people still do them anyway.

00:30:11.580 Yeah, I know, but that doesn't mean that they're correct.

00:30:14.120 So this idea of saying, well, it doesn't matter because it's a kink, though. 1.00

00:30:18.600 What is correct to you, though?

00:30:19.480 How do we apply that to them?

00:30:21.040 I mean, I think correct is a very subjective word.

00:30:23.720 Do you think that morality itself is subjective?

00:30:26.540 I mean, yeah.

00:30:27.540 Well, then if morality itself is subjective,

00:30:29.480 then why would you ever get mad about what anybody ever does at any time,

00:30:33.120 at any place, anywhere?

00:30:36.060 Sure.

00:30:36.600 Like a serial killer.

00:30:37.800 What's wrong with that?

00:30:39.000 Subjective.

00:30:40.080 Subjective.

00:30:40.480 I mean, you're reaching right now, but...

00:30:43.560 Is it subjective or objective?

00:30:45.620 I mean, a serial killer.

00:30:46.980 I mean, yeah, serial killers.

00:30:48.160 Is it subjective or objective?

00:30:50.580 If it's all subjective and it's all just moral relativism,

00:30:53.540 then you could never make a judgment,

00:30:55.940 a value judgment on a serial killer being bad

00:30:57.940 because that's just relative, right?

00:31:01.160 Sure.

00:31:02.000 So then, yeah, I don't really know this idea of it's subjective.

00:31:06.900 It doesn't mean much to me.

00:31:07.980 That just means you're saying there is no standard for morality at all

00:31:12.100 when clearly you don't think that.

00:31:15.000 Okay.

00:31:15.140 Otherwise, you'd say it's okay to be a serial killer, right?

00:31:21.840 I mean, I think we all know the answer to that.

00:31:23.920 It's not okay to be a serial killer.

00:31:25.440 Why not?

00:31:25.920 If it's just subjective.

00:31:28.060 Because it's morally wrong.

00:31:29.880 And these are my morals.

00:31:33.040 Everyone has different values.

00:31:34.460 So if it's just your morals versus their morals,

00:31:38.120 subjective or subjective,

00:31:40.000 then from his standard, the serial killer,

00:31:41.980 they're not doing anything wrong, right?

00:31:43.540 Well, he's a serial killer.

00:31:44.880 Obviously, he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.

00:31:46.840 He's doing it.

00:31:47.600 So you can't.

00:31:48.440 You have no standard from which to say he's doing anything immoral, right?

00:31:52.780 I'm not.

00:31:55.380 Negative underscore 200 donated $200.

00:31:59.520 Yellow top kind of looks like a Skarjian. 0.98

00:32:02.260 Look it up.

00:32:03.840 Like a what?

00:32:05.500 I don't know what that is.

00:32:08.540 What?

00:32:09.880 Tell me more.

00:32:14.920 Okay.

00:32:15.560 All right.

00:32:15.960 I'm not sure what that is.

00:32:16.860 Is that like a Star Wars thing or something?

00:32:19.200 I don't know.

00:32:19.840 Yeah, I'd love to respond.

00:32:21.520 Thank you.

00:32:21.860 I don't know.

00:32:22.440 I don't know.

00:32:23.700 A couple other clarifying things here,

00:32:26.040 but I do want to get everybody's relationship status.

00:32:29.160 You do describe yourself as evil on your link tree.

00:32:34.940 No, that can't be true.

00:32:36.800 That's subjective.

00:32:37.940 Subjective.

00:32:38.660 You also refer to yourself as Empress Lucia.

00:32:42.820 Lucia.

00:32:43.560 Lucia.

00:32:44.780 And Goddess Lucia.

00:32:46.100 So, can you explain the Empress and the Goddess part?

00:32:51.960 I mean, it's a title.

00:32:54.220 Oh, also Princess.

00:32:55.000 I'm an honorific.

00:32:55.680 Also Princess.

00:32:56.520 Yeah, Princess.

00:32:57.140 Femme Dom Princess.

00:32:58.100 Yes.

00:32:58.380 It's just an honorific that everyone in the community uses.

00:33:03.240 They pick which one they like.

00:33:04.900 I started out as Goddess.

00:33:06.280 I decided I wanted to change it up, make it Empress.

00:33:08.680 I liked the sound of it, and that's about it.

00:33:11.580 But do you consider yourself like a goddess, just generally speaking?

00:33:15.900 Sure.

00:33:16.400 Yeah.

00:33:18.320 Okay.

00:33:21.340 And then also on your Twitter, it says,

00:33:25.380 I Heart Exploiting Your Desires and Reveling in Your Tears.

00:33:29.560 Yes.

00:33:33.500 It's just like an essay on how to write I'm an awful human being.

00:33:37.640 Sure, if that's what you want to think.

00:33:39.120 There's like everything that's stated here.

00:33:40.340 But it's a kink. 0.97

00:33:42.660 Can I ask a question?

00:33:43.640 Do you enjoy like the money aspect of it, or do you genuinely enjoy what you do?

00:33:47.520 I enjoy the money aspect of it, and I think it's funny.

00:33:50.420 Like, I think it's fun.

00:33:51.360 I have a great time doing it.

00:33:52.760 I mean, all my friends get a good laugh out of it.

00:33:56.320 I get a good laugh out of it.

00:33:57.600 And there's days where I'm having a bad day, 0.99

00:33:59.140 and my sub just wants to punch himself in the balls. 0.99

00:34:01.920 I think you enjoy watching that, though. 0.99

00:34:03.720 It's funny, yeah.

00:34:04.640 When you say you get a laugh out of it, what do you mean?

00:34:07.140 Like, do you laugh at them?

00:34:08.860 When they do humiliation stuff, yeah, it's funny.

00:34:12.360 And they encourage me to laugh at them.

00:34:14.180 They love my laugh.

00:34:15.920 Mm-hmm.

00:34:16.680 Okay.

00:34:18.220 Well, we can come back to some of that stuff.

00:34:20.280 Yeah, let's get to the other girls. 0.99

00:34:21.400 I don't want to take up all this time.

00:34:23.360 What's your relationship status?

00:34:25.540 My relationship status is single.

00:34:27.280 I've been single for a little over a month.

00:34:30.480 And my longest relationship, I've had a few that were, like, right around a year.

00:34:36.120 Okay.

00:34:36.800 And you said you've been single for about a month?

00:34:38.680 Yes.

00:34:39.200 Who ended it?

00:34:40.240 I did.

00:34:41.620 Why?

00:34:42.020 He yelled at me in a store.

00:34:45.800 We had been dating for a few months.

00:34:48.120 And that was, like, the, I think there was a couple red flags, actually, that I, like,

00:34:55.360 was kind of letting go.

00:34:56.840 And then at that point, I was, like, I don't deserve this kind of treatment.

00:35:01.160 So I was just, like, I think we should go our separate ways.

00:35:03.720 And how long had you guys been together?

00:35:07.540 Just, like, three and a half months.

00:35:11.220 Okay.

00:35:11.760 Yeah.

00:35:12.100 And he yelled at you in the store?

00:35:13.840 Yeah.

00:35:14.260 What happened?

00:35:16.060 So we were, like, we were going on a camping trip to Grand Teton National Park.

00:35:22.960 We were running a half marathon.

00:35:24.180 So we were, like, splitting the cost of everything.

00:35:26.060 You know, like, oh, I'll buy this gas.

00:35:27.240 You buy that gas.

00:35:28.120 Like, let's split the groceries.

00:35:30.320 And he had lost his job.

00:35:32.060 And then he was, like, tight on money.

00:35:34.560 But I'm also tight on money as a business owner.

00:35:36.380 And so, like, money, I think, was a stressor.

00:35:39.000 And then he had owed me money from, like, whatever the last transaction was.

00:35:43.140 And so then he was, like, oh, I just want to make sure that you're going to spend exactly, like, $12.

00:35:49.220 Like, $12 including tax, not excluding tax.

00:35:51.380 And I was, like, penny pinching me.

00:35:52.900 And then it annoyed me because I was just, like, well, if we've been on this whole trip and, like, not paying attention to cents and dollars, like, why are you doing this?

00:36:01.580 I was, like, if money is that big of an issue, we should have just bought our own separate things.

00:36:05.900 And then we, like, got at the checkout line.

00:36:07.520 And he was, like, doing two orders.

00:36:08.640 So I was just confused.

00:36:09.280 I was, like, wait, why are you doing two different orders?

00:36:11.300 And then he was just, like, oh, you are so unhealthy. 0.50

00:36:13.460 I can't even believe how unhealthy you are.

00:36:14.840 And, like, there was this little seven-year-old behind us.

00:36:16.640 And I was, like, this is really embarrassing.

00:36:18.280 You don't even know me well enough to yell at me.

00:36:20.320 And so.

00:36:21.080 Unhealthy?

00:36:21.800 Yeah, that's what he yelled. 0.99

00:36:24.200 The fuck does that mean, unhealthy? 0.99

00:36:25.900 I don't know. 0.99

00:36:26.380 But I took it as a sign that he was unhealthy because if he's yelling at me, like, I'm a store that's. 1.00

00:36:30.060 Sounds like some fucking liberal shit. 1.00

00:36:31.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:36:33.440 Oh, sorry.

00:36:34.220 Yeah.

00:36:34.460 So then, yeah, it was, like, embarrassing and awkward.

00:36:37.340 And I was just, like, I just got out of a relationship with, like, not just, but my last relationship.

00:36:43.580 It was, like, very reminiscent of what I was in when I was 25.

00:36:47.940 And so then I was, like, oh, I'm just, thank you.

00:36:50.780 So.

00:36:52.400 Yeah.

00:36:55.520 Okay.

00:36:56.280 All right.

00:36:56.740 Yeah.

00:36:57.600 What about you?

00:36:58.140 Right now I'm single, like, for six months or something.

00:37:02.780 Six months.

00:37:03.160 Yeah.

00:37:03.860 And my longest relationship was one and a half years, I guess.

00:37:08.500 Okay.

00:37:09.340 Yeah.

00:37:10.340 Have you met any guys here in Santa Barbara?

00:37:14.620 Any?

00:37:14.860 Not yet because I arrived two days ago and.

00:37:17.800 Still new?

00:37:18.380 Yeah.

00:37:18.780 And you were only here for two weeks?

00:37:20.260 Yeah.

00:37:20.620 Okay.

00:37:21.160 So.

00:37:21.440 Yeah.

00:37:21.880 And then you're going back to Europe or are you staying in California for a bit?

00:37:25.860 Back to Europe.

00:37:26.520 Okay.

00:37:26.760 Got it.

00:37:27.400 What about you?

00:37:29.060 I'm single and I haven't been in an actual relationship, really.

00:37:33.380 I mean, like, two days, but.

00:37:35.060 Two days.

00:37:35.400 I don't really count that.

00:37:37.060 Two days.

00:37:38.220 So.

00:37:38.980 But you have maybe had short term with a guy?

00:37:45.100 Talking stages.

00:37:45.860 Yeah.

00:37:46.140 Short term.

00:37:46.780 So what's the longest period of time that you've had anything with a guy?

00:37:51.100 Probably.

00:37:51.500 Like, you met him and then you guys were hooking up or whatever it was, then you stopped talking.

00:37:57.520 Probably like four or five months.

00:37:59.120 Four to five months.

00:38:00.060 Okay.

00:38:00.300 Yeah.

00:38:01.120 I think.

00:38:02.780 And would you call that friends with benefits, situationship?

00:38:08.920 Not even situationship.

00:38:10.500 Just like, no, like, really like, I don't know, talking.

00:38:16.020 It's a talking stage of a situation.

00:38:17.660 Talking.

00:38:18.400 Yeah.

00:38:18.720 Sure.

00:38:19.240 Situationship.

00:38:20.040 Situationship.

00:38:20.620 Yeah.

00:38:21.160 Okay.

00:38:22.320 All right.

00:38:23.240 And what about you?

00:38:24.560 I'm single.

00:38:25.280 Have been for about eight months.

00:38:27.260 And my longest relationship was six months.

00:38:29.920 All right.

00:38:30.660 Six months.

00:38:31.360 And the six-month one, is that the one that ended eight months ago?

00:38:35.780 Yes.

00:38:36.560 Who ended it?

00:38:39.280 It's kind of confusing because I initiated it maybe like three months in and then we had

00:38:47.560 a discussion, it happened on New Year's Eve and it just, it ended amicably at first and

00:38:54.160 then just kind of like blew up after that.

00:38:56.040 But it was, it ended fine.

00:38:57.900 We just don't, no longer speak.

00:38:59.240 Something blew up?

00:39:03.760 Yeah.

00:39:04.440 I.

00:39:04.980 What was the blow up?

00:39:05.900 Out of respect for him, I don't really want to go into details of it because it does have

00:39:10.600 to do with like his own mental health that I, I thought that I understood and it definitely

00:39:19.240 put a damper on our entire relationship.

00:39:21.720 But in the very like last moments of it, it just definitely like.

00:39:27.440 Sure.

00:39:28.480 Ended it.

00:39:29.300 What about you?

00:39:30.760 So I'm currently single.

00:39:33.220 I've been single for four years.

00:39:35.620 I've been celibate for two and a half and I am dating on and off.

00:39:41.540 My longest relationship was a year and a half.

00:39:44.680 And you said you've been celibate for 2.5 years.

00:39:48.100 Mm-hmm.

00:39:48.800 Okay.

00:39:49.380 Mm-hmm.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:50.320 Congratulations.

00:39:52.060 Okay.

00:39:52.960 Was that a faith-based or personal decision for some other reason?

00:39:56.400 It's a, it was, it started off personal because I would say that a lot of people define celibacy

00:40:01.540 differently.

00:40:02.160 Like a lot of people will say that they don't even want to like masturbate, things like that.

00:40:07.560 I just did it because I just don't see a point of a guy touching on my body in a sexual

00:40:11.100 way if we're not together.

00:40:12.200 I personally, I just don't see a point in that.

00:40:14.160 Like what am I really getting out of that?

00:40:15.600 So you're not waiting necessarily for marriage, but for a committed relationship?

00:40:18.880 It has to be a commitment, a committed relationship, yeah.

00:40:21.160 It doesn't have to necessarily be marriage.

00:40:22.440 I don't even think I could wait that long.

00:40:25.020 Like if I'm attracted to the guy and we're actually, he met my parents and everything,

00:40:28.000 I don't think I could wait that long.

00:40:30.840 I don't think you should.

00:40:32.100 Well, it, it, it, it depends.

00:40:35.540 It depends.

00:40:36.200 I'm saying that now, but who knows I might want to decide to wait till marriage, but it

00:40:39.400 depends, but I'm definitely, I'm not doing anything.

00:40:42.200 Okay.

00:40:42.800 Outside of a committed relationship.

00:40:44.220 Yeah.

00:40:44.380 Nope.

00:40:44.800 Okay.

00:40:45.280 I don't see a point.

00:40:47.020 All right.

00:40:48.140 Um, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.

00:40:52.040 So I think actually before that, I know some of you, um, may not have watched the show prior

00:40:59.820 to your appearance, but for those of you who have any, uh, disagreements from anybody,

00:41:05.740 maybe you've seen the show, maybe you've seen clips, uh, why don't we start there?

00:41:09.480 If you have any disagreements.

00:41:10.840 Oh, I love that.

00:41:14.560 With the show itself or something with like you or either something I've said, something

00:41:18.480 Andrew said or the show, the show's format, anything in regards to any criticisms, anything

00:41:23.180 with this, with this pockets in particular.

00:41:25.760 No, I agree.

00:41:27.020 No, not that I've seen.

00:41:29.620 I mean, and I've watched a lot of your videos.

00:41:31.260 Are you surprised by that?

00:41:33.080 No, well, she said, she said this podcast in particular, which makes me think other podcasts

00:41:38.760 of its type she'd have criticisms for.

00:41:40.740 Yes, of course.

00:41:41.480 Okay.

00:41:42.100 I don't agree with everything.

00:41:43.460 Well, there's so many.

00:41:43.940 Yeah, there's a lot.

00:41:45.280 Yeah.

00:41:46.500 Hmm.

00:41:48.200 Okay.

00:41:49.040 Um, let me see where we can start off then.

00:41:52.880 Actually, there's a, maybe we'll just go to this.

00:41:55.400 We have a news article from the New York Times.

00:41:57.840 Nick, if you could pull that up.

00:41:58.980 The dating woes of Ukrainian women. 1.00

00:42:03.560 Um, war shatters the dating scene for women. 1.00

00:42:07.840 In Ukraine, while the pursuit of love might seem secondary to dealing with the horrors

00:42:13.500 and privations of the war, many Ukrainians say they need romantic relationships to help

00:42:19.840 them cope.

00:42:20.620 Nick, can you scroll down a little bit?

00:42:23.080 All right.

00:42:23.820 There's some, uh, woman smokes a hookah at Forcage nightclub in Kiev last month. 0.99

00:42:30.600 Many women in Ukraine say they have a difficult time meeting men now because of the war.

00:42:35.980 Uh, men at war, women most affected, of course.

00:42:41.260 Um, for the past two and a half years, Katerina, blah, blah, blah, wanted to meet someone special,

00:42:46.420 but war always gets in the way. 0.99

00:42:48.540 Damn it. 0.99

00:42:48.720 How is this not, this must be ironic. 1.00

00:42:51.220 There's no way that, okay.

00:42:52.880 It's not ironic.

00:42:53.480 I don't think it is, but then he, she met a soldier, but then he was sent to the front.

00:42:59.420 She traded text messages with another man, but those fizzled out because he was in no

00:43:04.600 mood to meet, fearing he might soon be drafted on the dating app Bumble.

00:43:08.040 She liked the looks of a hipster, but when she scrolled through his photographs, she noticed

00:43:13.140 his amputated leg.

00:43:15.120 I looked at his profile for 15 minutes and I felt so sorry for him.

00:43:19.740 Miss Barakna, 35, a marketing director for a clothing brand in Kiev, can you scroll down?

00:43:26.580 Said in an interview, she wondered if she could handle a relationship with a maimed war veteran.

00:43:32.540 Yeah.

00:43:32.700 Tough, what, that's hard for her. 0.73

00:43:36.040 Then she swiped left, removing him from potential matches.

00:43:40.040 I feel I'm not ready for that.

00:43:41.700 Scroll down.

00:43:44.140 Russia's full-scale invasion has upended nearly every facet of daily life in Ukraine. 0.52

00:43:49.640 Okay, scroll down.

00:43:51.460 Is there more people?

00:43:53.960 Scroll down, scroll down.

00:43:55.880 Okay, well, whatever.

00:43:57.580 I think we get the gist of it.

00:43:58.740 So, what are your guys' reaction to that?

00:44:04.920 Is it hard there for the Ukrainian women? 1.00

00:44:07.620 Do you feel for the Ukrainian women that they're struggling to date because of the war?

00:44:12.600 Don't you have, like, bigger issues?

00:44:13.980 Yeah, I was just about to say, to be quite honest, I can care less about what's going on.

00:44:17.680 This might sound bad, but in other countries, if we're not where we need to be out here in the U.S.,

00:44:23.260 I really don't care what's going on with anyone else.

00:44:26.200 Sorry.

00:44:26.560 Well, not really the question, but...

00:44:28.360 No, no, no, even with dating, I honestly don't care about what their dating life is going on out there in Ukraine or Russia.

00:44:35.500 I don't care.

00:44:36.500 But you could assume, I guess the point of him reading the article is, because I agree with you,

00:44:41.740 but you can assume that if there was a war where the United States had a draft,

00:44:46.760 that women could be set in the same situation that they are in the Ukraine.

00:44:50.580 So if we were to kind of take this and hypothetically map it on to the United States,

00:44:55.680 and Brian's saying, should we really feel all that bad for the women who are suffering privation

00:45:03.260 from the fact that their men are off fighting a war mostly on their behalf?

00:45:08.300 I think that's what you're getting across here, right?

00:45:11.360 A little bit.

00:45:12.200 He should have just done a shot from the waist up and catfished, I feel like, if that's like any representation of how the women are going to be. 1.00

00:45:25.380 I don't know. 0.99

00:45:25.800 Just spring the amputated leg on them. 1.00

00:45:27.000 Right, yeah.

00:45:27.820 I mean, there's worse things that have happened with a catfish.

00:45:30.840 Why not?

00:45:31.520 You know?

00:45:33.060 Yeah, what you could do is you could show up with a cane and then just say, like, you have a war wound, right?

00:45:38.720 Yeah.

00:45:39.080 And so that's why you kind of walk this way.

00:45:41.000 You don't have to actually tell them what the wound, that's what you're saying.

00:45:44.320 Yeah.

00:45:45.540 I mean, you don't know them.

00:45:46.820 And then at dinner you just take a leg off.

00:45:49.380 I mean, hey.

00:45:52.040 It would make for an interesting and memorable date, that's for sure.

00:45:55.660 But no, I don't feel bad for women for being horny and not getting it.

00:46:01.380 Because at the end of the day, it's the men that are really struggling.

00:46:03.720 What is she, she just doesn't have anyone by her side. 1.00

00:46:06.280 Big whoop, these guys are literally dying to protect you guys.

00:46:08.260 She doesn't have to pay for her own meal, okay?

00:46:09.820 Oh, my gosh.

00:46:11.040 You know what's more risky than starting a relationship with a soldier?

00:46:16.720 Being a soldier?

00:46:17.760 Being a soldier.

00:46:18.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:19.240 That's why I am.

00:46:20.020 Being a soldier.

00:46:20.600 He's more at risk than she is.

00:46:24.320 These poor women can't get laid because men are dying on the front. 1.00

00:46:28.620 Damn. 1.00

00:46:29.280 So hard. 1.00

00:46:30.140 It's hard out there for those Ukrainian women. 1.00

00:46:33.940 Hard out there.

00:46:35.940 Anyways, I just thought that was, I saw that today.

00:46:38.440 Thought it was interesting.

00:46:41.580 Yeah, men being forced to become meat shields.

00:46:46.000 Dating scene for women most affected.

00:46:49.740 Okay, let me read these chats.

00:46:51.100 Actually, who wants to be our, maybe I'll have you be our dedicated reader.

00:46:55.160 So you just read.

00:46:56.200 Sure.

00:46:56.740 If you can read this.

00:46:57.560 SS, thank you for the, I believe this is a Turkish currency.

00:47:01.380 Thank you for the 3,400 Turkish.

00:47:04.880 Currency.

00:47:05.600 It's called Turkish lira, I think it's called.

00:47:09.680 Okay.

00:47:09.940 I think that's what it is.

00:47:11.140 Go ahead if you want to read it.

00:47:12.040 Here to support the show mostly.

00:47:14.160 In addition, raising three daughters right now. 0.99

00:47:16.400 And it's damn hard with so many skanky internet influencers and bullshit information spreading around. 0.99

00:47:23.080 Miss the times when we would go to our parents for the truth. 0.99

00:47:26.460 Miss Salaam from Turkey.

00:47:28.640 Hey, thank you, man.

00:47:29.300 Appreciate you watching all the way from Turkey, man.

00:47:31.780 Thank you.

00:47:32.140 Thank you.

00:47:32.940 Then we have another one from Order 55.

00:47:36.540 Also, congrats on the three daughters. 0.98

00:47:38.760 Yeah.

00:47:39.900 I bet Red would try to swindle elderly people in a hospice if it meant her getting a payday. 1.00

00:47:47.180 You're sick. 0.99

00:47:48.220 Go ahead, roll your eyes and keep justifying your evil. 1.00

00:47:51.820 Again, it's a kink. 0.96

00:47:53.640 It is an evil kink. 0.99

00:47:54.440 I'm not even going to lie.

00:47:55.840 I mean, sure. 1.00

00:47:56.460 They just, like, punch their balls and you're just like, whoa. 0.99

00:47:58.340 Like, I think that's insane. 1.00

00:47:58.940 Oh, I don't say whoa.

00:47:59.760 I just laugh.

00:48:00.660 I know, but that's insane.

00:48:01.280 Isn't that worse, though?

00:48:03.060 Laughing?

00:48:03.720 Wait, you just what?

00:48:04.860 I don't say whoa.

00:48:06.000 I just laugh.

00:48:07.320 Okay.

00:48:07.980 And then also, guys, just a reminder, I know you're sending some of these in via Super Chat.

00:48:12.320 Still appreciate it.

00:48:13.480 We do recommend doing it via Streamlabs.

00:48:15.500 That way YouTube doesn't take their brutal 30% cut.

00:48:17.980 But thank you, guys.

00:48:18.540 Really appreciate it.

00:48:19.600 Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the show so far.

00:48:22.120 Now, I do want to get into some of the pre-show notes here.

00:48:29.500 So, let's see.

00:48:31.080 We have, why don't we start with Natalie?

00:48:39.220 Yes.

00:48:39.820 So, you're 6'1".

00:48:42.320 Yes.

00:48:42.800 And you said you recently lost almost 70 pounds on a similar drug to Ozempic.

00:48:48.740 Yeah.

00:48:49.640 Ozempic.

00:48:49.960 And you'd love to talk about your experience with how you were treated with men before and

00:48:54.440 after the weight loss, the 70 pounds.

00:48:57.260 So, yeah.

00:48:57.900 Why don't you tell us about that?

00:48:59.920 I'd like to clarify first.

00:49:01.380 It's like Ozempic.

00:49:02.560 It's a GLB 1 and 2.

00:49:03.820 But it's for insulin-resistant PCOS.

00:49:06.520 So, not just for weight loss.

00:49:08.460 But it makes you lose your appetite.

00:49:09.980 Yeah.

00:49:10.160 Essentially.

00:49:10.700 No.

00:49:11.160 I mean, I'm on the lowest dosage.

00:49:13.120 So, 2.5 milligrams, which is like the starting dose.

00:49:15.460 It doesn't really like, I eat very normally.

00:49:19.120 So, yeah.

00:49:19.640 Not really.

00:49:20.880 What was the question?

00:49:21.680 Yeah.

00:49:21.700 But if you're eating above what normally would be and you take that drug, does it put your

00:49:27.180 appetite down to what you would now consider normal to be?

00:49:30.520 I was eating normally before, too.

00:49:32.800 Okay.

00:49:33.280 So, it wasn't like, I didn't take it to lose weight.

00:49:36.080 I took it for the PCOS and insulin resistance.

00:49:39.000 Okay.

00:49:39.080 Okay.

00:49:39.560 Gotcha.

00:49:40.340 What was the question?

00:49:41.120 Sorry.

00:49:42.100 Your before and after experience.

00:49:43.140 You didn't hear it.

00:49:43.700 Oh, before and after.

00:49:44.340 Sorry.

00:49:45.820 Yeah.

00:49:46.220 I mean, before I feel like a lot of it was, a lot of male attention that I would get was

00:49:52.160 more from like, kind of like in a gross like way.

00:49:57.700 Like more, I feel like it was easier to be sexualized when I was bigger than now, which

00:50:03.860 is something I find like surprising.

00:50:05.080 I think now the quality of guys is a lot better than I would say.

00:50:10.260 So, you were sexualized more when you were heavier?

00:50:12.520 Yes.

00:50:12.880 Like, because usually the people that it would attract were more like.

00:50:18.500 Were what?

00:50:19.620 What were they?

00:50:20.520 Older and just like grosser. 0.95

00:50:22.100 Tell us what they were.

00:50:22.960 Older and grosser.

00:50:24.000 I think the audience knows what I'm, okay.

00:50:26.580 I'm sorry.

00:50:27.720 They weren't buff chiseled chads?

00:50:29.500 No, they were not.

00:50:30.480 Yeah.

00:50:31.200 I mean, few.

00:50:31.460 So, if you had the buff chiseled chad who approaches you versus this, the other type

00:50:36.320 of guy who approached you, even if they had the same line, wouldn't one just still appear

00:50:41.620 to be icky from your perspective versus the other one?

00:50:44.020 I feel like both would be icky.

00:50:44.800 It depends what they pull.

00:50:45.800 Like, what do they say?

00:50:47.460 I don't know.

00:50:47.920 Just like.

00:50:48.720 Something gross. 0.99

00:50:49.440 Hello, pretty or something like that or beautiful or whatever the fuck it is they say. 1.00

00:50:52.740 I don't know what the fuck they say. 0.99

00:50:53.820 I mean, sure. 0.98

00:50:54.360 Thank you.

00:50:55.760 If it's something gross, then it's just as weird from both sides, I feel like.

00:51:01.460 So, did just the more unattractive guys just have worse pickup lines?

00:51:05.900 No, I'm not saying that at all.

00:51:07.020 What I was saying is before when I was, like, overweight, it just seemed that majority of

00:51:11.020 the guys that came up to me were more, like, coming straight off of from, like, a sexual

00:51:16.100 value and that was it.

00:51:17.340 Like, not from, like, getting to know me kind of perspective.

00:51:20.300 And I don't know if that's a difference from me being more confident now in how I hold

00:51:23.480 myself or if that's from actual appearance-based wise.

00:51:26.760 Not because one subset of those guys just kind of gives you the ick and the other one

00:51:30.920 doesn't.

00:51:31.800 Well, no, because it can be, like...

00:51:32.700 You don't think that plays into it at all?

00:51:34.060 Well, like, I feel like, I mean, a lot of what I could say is that, like, the guys even

00:51:38.200 say it's, like, what did you say, chiseled Chad?

00:51:40.800 If they give me this, like, a gross pickup line, I'm still going to think it's gross.

00:51:45.320 Yeah, right.

00:51:45.800 But what I don't understand is I wouldn't think that there would be a variant in, like, a more

00:51:53.020 unattractive guy versus a more overly attractive guy in the way that they would approach a woman.

00:51:57.780 What would be the variant there exactly?

00:51:59.900 In the way that...

00:52:01.360 Like, what makes one creepy over the other one?

00:52:03.700 What they say.

00:52:04.700 What they say.

00:52:05.120 Yeah, well, what would they say?

00:52:07.900 I don't know.

00:52:08.720 I've gotten a lot.

00:52:09.400 This is more based off height.

00:52:10.240 Like, can I climb that tree?

00:52:11.520 Like, I think that one's gross.

00:52:12.760 I don't like that one.

00:52:16.880 I think more so what she's referring to is the quality of a relationship that a guy is

00:52:20.980 looking for when they approach her.

00:52:22.780 And having seen it, like, personally from other people in my life, I think that it boils down

00:52:29.360 to guys seeing particularly older girls, like, physically as not relationship material or

00:52:39.000 not taking them as seriously as smaller women. 0.95

00:52:42.360 They just want to bang, basically?

00:52:43.700 Yeah.

00:52:44.100 Okay.

00:52:44.740 She articulated that way very well, yeah.

00:52:46.620 Okay.

00:52:47.280 Is there anything actually wrong with that, though?

00:52:51.040 Not necessarily.

00:52:52.220 It's just not what I was looking for now or then.

00:52:55.140 So, yeah.

00:52:56.180 Hmm.

00:52:56.400 I mean, it makes sense.

00:53:00.000 You got more attractive, right?

00:53:02.720 You got better treatment from the opposite sex. 1.00

00:53:05.240 I think just, yeah, better treatment from society in general, too.

00:53:08.020 I think people are a lot nicer to you after you've lost weight.

00:53:11.320 Hmm.

00:53:11.600 But, yeah.

00:53:12.380 That's just my personal experience.

00:53:13.700 I mean, it could be different for everybody.

00:53:15.140 No, it's true.

00:53:15.880 Yeah.

00:53:17.060 Because, let's be real, a lot of the times when we look at someone that's physically fit,

00:53:20.600 we're like, oh, wow, they look great.

00:53:21.580 I wonder what they did to get to that, to get to that, to how they look.

00:53:24.660 They look fantastic.

00:53:25.380 When you look at someone that's overweight, you're like, ugh.

00:53:27.840 I mean, a lot of times when we look at someone that's overweight, we don't look at them like,

00:53:30.560 wow, they look great.

00:53:31.580 We just don't.

00:53:32.660 A lot of people say they look great, but you wouldn't want to look like that person.

00:53:35.680 You know you wouldn't.

00:53:37.340 It's just what it is.

00:53:38.360 I 100% agree.

00:53:39.620 Just like a nice lie, basically, is what you're saying.

00:53:42.800 Yeah, it's just a nice lie.

00:53:43.800 And it's just like, I mean, unless they ask you for your opinion, you don't have to say

00:53:47.160 anything about how they look physically.

00:53:48.700 But if they ask you for your opinion, I mean, you can be honest.

00:53:52.000 And I don't think that's inherently a bad thing.

00:53:53.820 Mm-mm.

00:53:56.180 Yeah.

00:53:57.600 Okay.

00:53:58.520 I had a guy tell me to shave my arms once.

00:54:01.040 Oh, no.

00:54:01.560 I saw that.

00:54:03.920 Did you?

00:54:04.720 Did you?

00:54:05.180 Yeah.

00:54:05.400 Did I shave my arms?

00:54:06.660 I did not.

00:54:07.640 No.

00:54:09.000 He wanted me to show him my stomach, too, which was also weird.

00:54:12.180 Is this on stream or in person?

00:54:15.240 Yeah.

00:54:15.380 So, Caleb, cereal, I can't decide on what to ask.

00:54:17.780 I only get one for panel.

00:54:18.960 What is your most embarrassing moment on...

00:54:21.140 Sorry, let me get that pulled back up here real quick.

00:54:25.440 What is your most embarrassing moment on the date of a romantic encounter or describe your

00:54:28.800 ideal perfect man in detail?

00:54:30.720 Brian, you can pick.

00:54:31.680 I think I'll go with the second one.

00:54:34.780 So, describe your ideal perfect man in detail, but also try to keep it relatively brief if

00:54:42.660 you can.

00:54:43.220 Mm-hmm.

00:54:43.940 Go ahead.

00:54:44.680 So, just describe your ideal man.

00:54:46.780 Yeah.

00:54:46.980 By the way, do you have heterochromia?

00:54:48.440 I do.

00:54:49.260 Yeah.

00:54:49.640 Partial, though, right?

00:54:50.540 Yeah.

00:54:50.820 Yeah.

00:54:51.400 Go ahead. 0.86

00:54:52.600 You didn't use your lesbian joke. 1.00

00:54:54.440 I know.

00:54:55.160 What?

00:54:55.260 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 You're right.

00:54:56.540 I should have.

00:54:57.200 She said she had a lesbian joke. 0.97

00:54:58.420 People ask me if I have heterochromia.

00:55:00.420 I'm just like, no, I'm bisexual.

00:55:02.520 I like it.

00:55:03.260 It's good.

00:55:03.580 Thank you.

00:55:05.760 My ideal man.

00:55:06.580 I guess I would have to describe my boyfriend, right?

00:55:10.060 Isn't that what I should do?

00:55:12.560 Sure.

00:55:12.640 So, I like a bald guy, 5'9", blue eyes.

00:55:16.800 Yeah.

00:55:17.420 I mean, I feel like I'm with a really great guy.

00:55:20.260 That's what he looks like.

00:55:21.400 He's really supportive.

00:55:23.860 And are we describing physical features?

00:55:25.840 Maybe a couple physical, a couple personality traits.

00:55:30.260 He's a musician, which is cool to be with someone also in a creative area.

00:55:36.920 I sing.

00:55:37.640 It's kind of how we met through musical comedy.

00:55:41.860 But yeah, he's got a great work ethic.

00:55:44.420 I'm very honest.

00:55:46.160 Someone who stands by his values and lives up to them.

00:55:51.400 Yeah.

00:55:52.060 And I think we have a very healthy relationship where we support each other, but don't have

00:55:57.640 to be attached at the hip.

00:56:00.140 We have our separate time.

00:56:03.140 We're good communicators.

00:56:04.780 I feel like he's very honest.

00:56:06.380 And I feel like I lucked out.

00:56:11.900 Okay.

00:56:12.840 Yeah.

00:56:13.200 Cool.

00:56:13.560 What about you?

00:56:15.600 Tall.

00:56:16.460 Usually not blonde or ginger.

00:56:18.560 I know ironic, right?

00:56:21.680 Makes a good amount of money.

00:56:23.960 No mommy issues.

00:56:25.860 Let's see.

00:56:27.860 Let's see.

00:56:31.160 Usually, I mean, like creative, but I would rather not date like an artist or anything

00:56:35.760 like that just because I find that the artists that I have dated in the past are not generally

00:56:42.380 good people.

00:56:46.000 I've had that same experience.

00:56:47.940 Yeah.

00:56:48.520 So someone more, I think, pragmatic, maybe in the business world, like something like

00:56:52.900 that.

00:56:55.800 When you said, when you said bald.

00:56:58.780 Yeah.

00:57:00.880 He's bald.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:02.220 I get that you're describing him.

00:57:03.460 Yeah.

00:57:04.160 But that's not your, I mean, ideally, if you're thinking of your ideal man, baldness wouldn't

00:57:11.020 be a deal breaker.

00:57:11.960 Like you wouldn't be like, well, I'm not going to date you because you just have way too nice

00:57:16.000 to hair, right?

00:57:16.980 Like that wouldn't happen, would it?

00:57:17.860 I suppose I'm not specifically looking for a bald guy.

00:57:20.640 He just so happens to be bald.

00:57:22.820 But I like it.

00:57:24.500 I like a smooth head.

00:57:25.700 Feels good.

00:57:26.440 Freshly shaved.

00:57:27.160 Yeah, sure.

00:57:27.620 Sure.

00:57:27.920 If he had hair, that'd be great, but yeah.

00:57:32.640 I just didn't think it would be a deal breaker for someone.

00:57:35.560 No.

00:57:36.640 What?

00:57:36.900 To have hair?

00:57:37.580 Yeah, to have hair.

00:57:38.280 It's like, I need a bald guy. 0.75

00:57:40.300 I hate people with hair. 0.97

00:57:42.120 I need them completely bald. 0.98

00:57:43.360 They know their waxes on a personal level.

00:57:48.360 I like going out into nature a lot, so I would prefer to be with someone who likes a more

00:57:54.140 outdoorsy lifestyle, hiking, backpacking, camping.

00:57:58.320 As I mentioned earlier, I write books, so someone who also can have deep intellectual conversations

00:58:03.820 with me, maybe read my books, be one of the early readers of my books, someone who is

00:58:10.820 artsy.

00:58:11.520 You guys are just saying, like, no arts.

00:58:13.160 I'm like, oh, arts, creativity, dancing.

00:58:16.400 I'm learning Spanish as a second language, so maybe someone who speaks Spanish.

00:58:20.420 I do tend to like Latino men, so someone I can speak Spanish with and learn with.

00:58:25.540 But, yeah, I don't think I could say any, like, necessarily, like, physical features.

00:58:33.140 I've dated a lot of men from a lot of different backgrounds, but I do tend to really like Latino

00:58:36.940 men, usually, so.

00:58:39.600 Okay.

00:58:40.340 Yeah.

00:58:40.540 Like, brunette hair, tall, of course, and brown or blue eyes, that's, and person.

00:58:55.440 He also has the same humor as me, because we have to talk, and the character is also the

00:59:02.640 same, has to be the same.

00:59:07.440 Preferably taller than me.

00:59:08.660 I'm 6'1", so brown hair, usually.

00:59:12.660 That, like, limits your options right away.

00:59:14.760 I know, I know, it's brutal.

00:59:16.560 Significantly limits your options.

00:59:18.120 I mean, I'm not, like, actually, no.

00:59:20.780 Yeah, I'm pretty against guys that are shorter than me.

00:59:23.260 You're going to go for an athlete.

00:59:24.340 I'll be honest.

00:59:25.240 So it's just a no.

00:59:27.140 I mean, not necessarily, like, a no-no.

00:59:28.960 Like, if you're, like, my height, maybe a tiny bit shorter, it's fine, but, like, maybe

00:59:33.420 not for marriage.

00:59:34.840 I was, like, just fine.

00:59:36.160 Well, then, if not for marriage, for what?

00:59:38.660 I mean, like, if...

00:59:39.800 Casual sex?

00:59:40.400 No. 0.66

00:59:41.300 No.

00:59:41.800 Then for what, then?

00:59:43.120 I don't know.

00:59:43.660 If they're just nice.

00:59:44.340 Like, I would get to know them and stuff, but...

00:59:46.240 But they have to work harder?

00:59:48.220 I mean, yeah, they'd have to work harder.

00:59:49.960 If you're shorter, you have to work harder.

00:59:51.580 That's what I would say.

00:59:52.220 She would lead them on, but... 0.62

00:59:54.320 I mean...

00:59:54.760 And so you're 6'1", you said...

00:59:56.600 So, bare minimum, your height, so they have to be 6'1".

01:00:01.520 Yes, yeah.

01:00:02.300 But I'm assuming you'd still prefer taller.

01:00:04.600 Yes, I would much rather prefer taller.

01:00:06.140 So, like, what would be, like, I mean, I'm assuming 6'3", 6'4".

01:00:10.380 Ideal height is, like, if I could pick any height, it would be, like, 6'7".

01:00:14.660 But that's really limiting your options.

01:00:17.400 I know, but that's not very, like, realistic.

01:00:20.180 Have you tried the NBA?

01:00:21.540 Yeah.

01:00:21.820 I mean...

01:00:23.140 Swimmers?

01:00:23.720 I gotta do it.

01:00:24.500 Yeah.

01:00:24.780 Actually, yes, swimmers, yeah.

01:00:26.120 Yeah, they're really long.

01:00:27.040 Yeah, they're really long.

01:00:30.120 I ain't heard of that one.

01:00:31.740 Yeah, in dark features.

01:00:33.060 Okay.

01:00:35.480 So, 6'1".

01:00:37.320 What is the, like, bottom one percentile of female weight? 1.00

01:00:43.740 Bottom one?

01:00:44.840 Yeah.

01:00:45.340 Like, if a guy was like, I will only date women under 100 pounds. 1.00

01:00:50.080 Okay, actually, this is...

01:00:51.560 I've heard you guys talk about this on the podcast for comparing, like, height to weight.

01:00:54.860 I feel like that's, like, a not great comparison because height is something you cannot control.

01:01:00.040 You're born that way.

01:01:01.420 Weight is, like...

01:01:02.280 But, yeah, I agree.

01:01:02.720 So, it's more acceptable to judge a woman. 0.99

01:01:04.520 Well, yeah, that would be worse.

01:01:05.900 I think it's more acceptable to judge on weight than it is height, in my opinion.

01:01:11.060 Yeah.

01:01:11.160 I agree.

01:01:11.680 Yeah.

01:01:11.940 Yeah, so, I mean, wouldn't that make a worse case for women, then? 1.00

01:01:15.300 Because, well, because then men be like, well, if you're overweight, you can change that shit, 0.99

01:01:20.780 but I can't change how tall I am. 0.99

01:01:23.820 And so, if women are looking preferentially for men who are taller than them...

01:01:26.980 But there's a lot of guys that won't date me because I'm taller than them, so...

01:01:29.600 No, no, I understand that, but I'm just saying, from a preference standpoint, you're saying

01:01:33.640 it's okay to criticize based on weight because it's changeable.

01:01:36.260 Yeah.

01:01:36.380 But not height.

01:01:37.740 No, I think it's fine to criticize on both, honestly, but yeah.

01:01:40.440 Oh.

01:01:40.920 Yeah.

01:01:41.440 Okay, because I thought you said the opposite.

01:01:42.520 Well, I was just saying that I feel like it's, like, an uncare...

01:01:44.880 Like, guys get...

01:01:46.440 We'll be like, well, you can't judge me on my height, like...

01:01:49.340 Because, like, I'll judge you on your weight kind of thing, but I feel like it's not...

01:01:54.460 It's fine to criticize both, but I feel like it's just not a super fair comparison.

01:01:58.880 Because, like, if you have a preference towards more fit girls, that's fine.

01:02:01.200 Like, preference for taller guys, it's fine, but girls can change their weight. 0.99

01:02:05.540 Yeah, but again, wouldn't that...

01:02:06.980 That would still be worse than the preference, right?

01:02:09.420 Because then you're saying...

01:02:10.520 Because you can actually do something about that.

01:02:12.600 I can't do anything about it.

01:02:13.860 No, yeah.

01:02:14.260 That's all I am, right?

01:02:14.960 I think it's completely fair, yeah.

01:02:15.980 Yeah.

01:02:16.340 Okay.

01:02:17.340 Okay.

01:02:19.260 I mean, and have you looked at the percentage of men that fall in that...

01:02:22.880 Are taller than me?

01:02:24.320 Yeah, like, I think you said 6'3", 6'4", but ideal, like, up into 6'7".

01:02:27.960 Yeah.

01:02:28.580 Well, yeah, 6'7", you're getting into, like, just a few thousand.

01:02:31.200 Yeah, I want a D1 baby, and that's... 1.00

01:02:34.320 Oh, damn. 0.99

01:02:35.480 And she's going to get it. 1.00

01:02:36.640 Yeah.

01:02:38.440 The percentage is probably very low.

01:02:40.100 I don't know what it is, but...

01:02:41.320 Yeah, well, I think...

01:02:41.700 So, 6'3", and up, it's less than 1%.

01:02:44.800 I believe it, yeah.

01:02:46.380 I mean, out of, like, everyone?

01:02:47.520 Globally, or, like, in the U.S.?

01:02:49.200 Well, it's probably...

01:02:50.680 I think it's lower.

01:02:51.260 Globally, even, it probably isn't much...

01:02:53.080 I feel like globally it would be lower.

01:02:54.960 That's why I'm asking.

01:02:55.700 Yes, globally it would be even lower, but in the U.S., it's less than 1%.

01:02:59.360 Yeah.

01:03:00.180 What about you?

01:03:01.200 I would say top five qualities would be somebody driven, smart, funny, kind...

01:03:09.400 Nick, can you open it?

01:03:11.040 Yeah.

01:03:11.520 And supportive.

01:03:13.880 And then brunette. 0.97

01:03:16.060 That's quality six.

01:03:19.020 What about you?

01:03:19.460 For me, he has to be athletic.

01:03:23.600 I like at least 5'9 or taller.

01:03:26.220 He has to be family-oriented.

01:03:27.520 If he does not want to get married and have kids, then there's no point in us even speaking.

01:03:31.620 I would like for him to have a good relationship with his family, because if you could treat your mother well, you're going to treat me well.

01:03:39.500 That's just how I see that.

01:03:40.920 He can't smoke.

01:03:41.960 I don't like smoking cigarettes.

01:03:44.040 Weed, I don't really care much as long as you're not addicted to it.

01:03:46.580 You're not addicted to alcohol.

01:03:47.760 No substance abuse.

01:03:49.560 But yeah, and I like darker features.

01:03:51.920 Black men, I like white men too.

01:03:53.280 White men are good. 1.00

01:03:54.000 They look good.

01:03:54.460 I mean, I don't judge.

01:03:57.660 As long as you look good, I just like physically fit in general.

01:04:00.380 Did you get any prospects from your last appearance?

01:04:03.960 No.

01:04:04.780 No prospects.

01:04:05.660 Okay.

01:04:05.920 And then the guy I was talking to during that time, him and I ended things because of lack of communication.

01:04:10.620 He was living in Seattle.

01:04:12.680 He met a different girl, and he didn't want to tell me that.

01:04:15.120 So I was like, okay.

01:04:17.260 Maybe this time.

01:04:18.380 And he was my type.

01:04:19.420 He was buff.

01:04:20.220 He was Hispanic. 1.00

01:04:21.160 And I was like, damn. 1.00

01:04:22.120 But then found someone else out there. 0.99

01:04:23.560 There's another on the way.

01:04:24.460 Bummer.

01:04:25.100 Slide into her DMs.

01:04:26.580 Going back to it.

01:04:27.700 Going back to.

01:04:28.620 We'll do a little K's anytime soon.

01:04:30.580 Hopefully.

01:04:32.100 Going back to Natalie here on your notes.

01:04:34.360 Yeah.

01:04:34.560 You said that you mainly agree with a lot of what Brian says and his views.

01:04:38.660 Yes.

01:04:39.240 But I do disagree sometimes with his views on subjects like body count and other aspects of dating life.

01:04:45.520 So we can definitely get into the body count thing.

01:04:47.620 What would you know what some of the other aspects were that you disagreed with?

01:04:51.300 I think it's not necessarily like certain points.

01:04:53.120 I think it's more how it's presented.

01:04:54.460 Like what do you mean?

01:04:55.820 The tone.

01:04:57.060 I mean, sometimes.

01:04:58.240 Yeah.

01:04:59.020 Yeah.

01:04:59.500 I feel like.

01:05:00.360 Well, how tell me how it's presented.

01:05:03.200 I don't know.

01:05:03.880 Sometimes in like a little bit of a pushy manner.

01:05:06.620 Not necessarily disagree with it.

01:05:08.020 Like when girls would come on not wanting to share. 0.86

01:05:10.700 Like I get because this is like a podcast about dating life.

01:05:13.080 So it's something that.

01:05:13.900 Like not share what?

01:05:15.240 Body count.

01:05:16.000 Whatever it is.

01:05:16.640 I usually don't.

01:05:17.580 I mean, I might ask them like a secondary way.

01:05:21.960 Like, oh, okay.

01:05:22.660 If you don't want to give a number.

01:05:24.100 What about.

01:05:24.600 How about the range?

01:05:25.440 Yeah.

01:05:26.000 I typically don't push though.

01:05:27.940 I mean, the only pushback I also might give is.

01:05:30.240 Is if they make the argument that body count doesn't matter at all.

01:05:33.540 But they have hesitation to revealing what their body count is.

01:05:37.080 Then.

01:05:37.680 That's.

01:05:38.120 Yeah.

01:05:38.740 I mean, I agree with that too.

01:05:40.440 That's the only pushback I give.

01:05:41.980 But I really.

01:05:43.040 Don't think I tend to.

01:05:45.100 Somebody doesn't want to answer that question.

01:05:46.660 I don't think I.

01:05:47.360 Yeah.

01:05:47.860 Put up too much resistance.

01:05:49.000 Was there anything else?

01:05:49.940 I feel like I agree with a lot more than I disagree.

01:05:52.640 Yeah.

01:05:52.800 Let's talk about what you disagree.

01:05:54.660 Oh, I don't know.

01:05:55.600 This is hard.

01:05:56.280 I like.

01:05:58.440 Other aspects of dating life.

01:06:00.220 What are the other aspects?

01:06:01.700 Is it the big labia matter?

01:06:03.000 You disagree with that?

01:06:04.440 Oh, no.

01:06:05.660 Who's bi? 0.72

01:06:06.580 Who's bi? 0.72

01:06:07.500 I'm bi.

01:06:08.060 You have.

01:06:08.540 You guys have a labia preference?

01:06:11.920 I've actually not been with a.

01:06:13.280 With a girl. 0.64

01:06:14.540 But.

01:06:14.760 You're attracted.

01:06:15.160 I believe I would be.

01:06:16.420 Yeah.

01:06:16.880 So if that comes into my.

01:06:18.560 Like.

01:06:19.000 Would you have.

01:06:19.640 Do you think you would have.

01:06:21.620 A labia preference? 0.96

01:06:22.160 A big labia.

01:06:23.660 I don't know. 0.57

01:06:24.440 I don't know if I would.

01:06:25.840 You don't have to do it.

01:06:26.920 You haven't crossed the threshold.

01:06:28.080 Don't do it.

01:06:28.300 I mean, Brian, is that something that you ask?

01:06:29.780 Like, is that a prerequisite for a date?

01:06:31.820 Like.

01:06:32.520 Yeah.

01:06:32.920 I think you should ask that, like, third message.

01:06:35.920 I'm kidding.

01:06:37.320 I'm kidding.

01:06:38.600 That's how you get them.

01:06:39.860 Yeah.

01:06:40.380 But I do think.

01:06:41.300 Yeah.

01:06:41.500 Like, if a girl's, like, into me.

01:06:42.740 And she's just, like, BTW. 1.00

01:06:44.520 Yeah.

01:06:44.660 That's a good question.

01:06:45.300 Is it like a.

01:06:46.080 Is it like a weird Christmas for you?

01:06:47.980 Like.

01:06:48.320 Every time it's just a different reveal.

01:06:50.440 And you're like.

01:06:51.160 Ah.

01:06:51.480 Oh.

01:06:51.860 What?

01:06:52.060 It's the wrong one.

01:06:53.460 Sorry.

01:06:53.880 It's the wrong one.

01:06:54.760 It's the wrong kind.

01:06:55.580 No.

01:06:55.700 I mean, I'll, like, still date a girl who hasn't any, you know? 0.98

01:06:58.900 Like, I can work with it.

01:07:00.420 Oh, my God.

01:07:01.400 You can work with it?

01:07:02.420 But, I mean, like, yeah.

01:07:03.340 This is a nice little surprise.

01:07:04.540 Like, if it's just an.

01:07:07.880 You really are perfect.

01:07:10.380 Oh, God.

01:07:12.020 Yeah.

01:07:12.340 I think women should lead with that, though. 1.00

01:07:14.580 That should be, like, a Tinder question.

01:07:16.120 Like, a Tinder prompt.

01:07:16.800 Well, it's like, women, y'all have your preferences when it comes to, like, how big a guy is.

01:07:23.160 Like, I'm just, I'm, like, the only dude in the world who seems to. 0.97

01:07:27.420 You want a girl who wants to talk her labia. 1.00

01:07:30.180 Yeah. 0.93

01:07:30.580 She's got a. 0.83

01:07:31.340 She can, like, tie in knots, too.

01:07:32.880 Right.

01:07:33.400 Yeah.

01:07:33.700 Sign me up.

01:07:34.380 Yeah.

01:07:35.380 But, uh.

01:07:37.000 And you're bi, right? 0.52

01:07:38.300 Yeah. 0.75

01:07:38.520 So, do you have a labia preference? 0.97

01:07:39.900 You prefer innies or outies? 0.95

01:07:41.280 Not.

01:07:41.740 Not really.

01:07:43.520 No care?

01:07:44.160 I like all shapes and sizes.

01:07:45.780 Really?

01:07:46.000 I suppose if it's on the bigger side, that's cool.

01:07:47.980 There's more to work with.

01:07:49.700 You know?

01:07:50.000 More to work with?

01:07:50.680 Yeah.

01:07:51.280 All right.

01:07:51.700 There you go.

01:07:52.280 All right.

01:07:54.160 Anyways.

01:07:54.700 So, you're on the BLM side of this thing?

01:07:56.700 I think so.

01:07:57.440 Yeah.

01:07:57.860 Yeah.

01:07:58.240 Hashtag BLM.

01:07:59.080 Yeah.

01:07:59.500 Big labia matter. 1.00

01:08:00.140 Yeah.

01:08:01.160 I might identify as a BLM, so, you know, I can't.

01:08:04.780 There you go.

01:08:05.320 Can't knock them.

01:08:06.140 Can't knock them.

01:08:07.220 Can't knock them.

01:08:08.240 Any, well, I mean, any girls here, like, have you ever been shamed?

01:08:10.480 Shamed?

01:08:11.700 Shamed for the labia?

01:08:14.340 No.

01:08:14.980 Shamed?

01:08:15.340 Mm-hmm.

01:08:15.940 Shamed?

01:08:16.560 Nope.

01:08:17.900 Shamed?

01:08:18.460 Shamed?

01:08:19.180 Anybody?

01:08:20.220 I feel like when I first started...

01:08:22.500 Gracie?

01:08:23.000 Shamed?

01:08:23.500 No.

01:08:24.000 Oh, okay.

01:08:24.360 Just checking.

01:08:25.400 I think, maybe not for the labia, but I think...

01:08:27.320 She's like, no.

01:08:28.220 No.

01:08:29.060 He made direct eye contact three times.

01:08:31.160 So, I was like, I think, no, I was just going to say, I think, like, when I was very young

01:08:38.540 and inexperienced, there were certainly, and was with young and inexperienced guys, oftentimes

01:08:44.780 there would be guys who, like, didn't want to go down on me because they thought it was,

01:08:49.340 like, gross, but I don't think it was me.

01:08:51.020 I think it would have been any female. 0.66

01:08:53.200 Wait, are you saying because you have an Audi?

01:08:55.680 No.

01:08:56.140 No, no, no, no.

01:08:56.860 I just think, and there, I came across that a handful of times.

01:09:00.540 I mean, I guess it could have been.

01:09:02.440 They never specified, but I think it was more of a...

01:09:04.340 If you're a guy who doesn't want to go down, it's not because you have an in-ear-out.

01:09:08.000 Exactly.

01:09:08.760 Yeah.

01:09:09.320 Anyways.

01:09:09.840 Yeah.

01:09:12.140 Okay.

01:09:13.040 So, wait, Natalie, going back to you.

01:09:14.840 Yes.

01:09:15.100 You said...

01:09:15.880 What did I say?

01:09:16.460 You disagree with his views on subjects like body count.

01:09:20.040 Yeah.

01:09:20.260 So, I guess, what specifically do you disagree with?

01:09:23.460 Okay.

01:09:23.720 I would say, I think that a lot of times when people are like, oh, I don't, like, I don't

01:09:28.800 really care about, I don't think it should matter, but then don't care to share.

01:09:32.500 I understand, like, that's contradictory.

01:09:34.340 But I also think that, to an extent, it doesn't matter, but it does.

01:09:40.320 So, I think that it's contradictory, but it can both be at the same time, if that makes

01:09:43.760 sense.

01:09:43.900 Well, I mean, I guess to argue the other person's side.

01:09:47.440 No, that doesn't make sense.

01:09:48.520 Well, here, Andrew.

01:09:49.360 To argue the other person's side, Andrew.

01:09:53.280 So, you could think something matters, but also not want to reveal it, like, to the broader

01:10:00.520 public.

01:10:01.300 Like, like, but then why would you say it doesn't matter?

01:10:04.740 Because it, I think it's like a more of a general term, like, it doesn't really matter.

01:10:08.960 But, like, at the end of the day, it's more between, like, the partner and you.

01:10:13.620 So, then it matters.

01:10:15.700 I think it's more so being, like, the number doesn't matter, but telling this amount of

01:10:20.400 people is what matters.

01:10:21.460 Yeah, I agree.

01:10:21.960 Then it matters.

01:10:22.960 Yeah.

01:10:23.280 So, here, I'll give you a...

01:10:24.920 I think it's a bad way to put it, that it doesn't matter, but...

01:10:26.720 Well, let me give a counter example, if this is true.

01:10:29.640 So, I understand what you're saying.

01:10:30.740 Yeah.

01:10:31.040 What you're saying is, look, to the broader public, this may matter, right?

01:10:36.300 But to me and whoever my potential partner is, it doesn't matter.

01:10:39.240 But let me give you a thought exercise to see if this is true.

01:10:42.780 Do you think you would be more likely to reveal your body count if you had slept with

01:10:46.260 zero men versus 20 men?

01:10:48.300 Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

01:10:51.140 Well, then it matters.

01:10:52.300 It matters a lot.

01:10:54.100 I mean, if it depends how comfortable...

01:10:55.240 Whether or not you want to admit that it doesn't matter, clearly it matters.

01:10:57.540 Because otherwise, why would you reveal it at zero, right?

01:11:00.520 Because then there's no shame, right?

01:11:03.640 Well, I mean, to actually think about it...

01:11:05.260 I think there also is shame in zero.

01:11:06.320 Like, for example, someone might, if we're talking about how much money somebody makes,

01:11:11.580 and in a dating context, for example, do you care about somebody's finances?

01:11:15.660 And they say, doesn't matter.

01:11:20.060 I don't care.

01:11:21.840 My financial situation doesn't matter at all.

01:11:25.680 Oh, okay, well, how much money do you have in the bank account?

01:11:29.400 Someone might not want to reveal that not having anything to do with whether it matters

01:11:36.080 or not, just because they'd prefer to keep that private.

01:11:39.640 Yeah.

01:11:40.600 If I can understand the other side's position on this.

01:11:44.520 Yeah.

01:11:44.800 Like, they don't want to...

01:11:46.100 That it matters.

01:11:46.780 That's because they don't want to get robbed.

01:11:47.540 Right, no, no, no, sure.

01:11:49.440 Sure.

01:11:49.920 I wouldn't want to say how much money I meant.

01:11:50.840 I think it's more that it doesn't matter in, like, a general context of who you're dating

01:11:54.780 and who you're talking to, but when you're on a platform like this, and there's a bunch

01:11:58.100 of people watching, it's something that you would want to keep private, I guess?

01:12:00.820 Yeah, but in that same situation, if you, in the personal finance department, made

01:12:06.440 $35,000 a year, yeah, maybe you don't want to reveal that to the public. 0.99

01:12:10.520 If you made $20 million a year, I don't think he'd give a shit. 0.99

01:12:13.020 I think he'd be like, yeah, I'd make $20 million. 0.98

01:12:14.880 But wouldn't you also be kind of, like, scared of putting...

01:12:16.980 They got security.

01:12:17.760 Yeah, they don't care.

01:12:18.680 I mean, that's true.

01:12:19.280 They don't care.

01:12:19.840 So, I mean, the point of it, I still would contend, is that it matters.

01:12:24.980 It clearly matters.

01:12:26.440 And clearly people think it matters.

01:12:28.580 Otherwise, they would have no problem revealing it.

01:12:31.300 I think the number matters less and, like, where you are now in life matters more.

01:12:36.640 Like, if a guy had slept with 70 people in his early 20s and now is, like, you know, not

01:12:42.880 living that same lifestyle and is ready for, like, a locked down relationship, I think that's

01:12:48.140 fine.

01:12:48.480 I think that I'm going to agree with you that it seems to me from talking to many, many

01:12:56.760 women that men who were promiscuous and now are not promiscuous, they don't seem to give 0.99

01:13:02.300 a shit very much. 0.98

01:13:03.440 The opposite is not true. 1.00

01:13:05.820 Men seem to care a great deal about whether or not a woman was promiscuous or not promiscuous.

01:13:11.040 So, while I agree with you in principle, right, so I would agree with you, or I would even

01:13:17.520 make the claim, stronger claim, that promiscuity in men and women is equally as bad, but they

01:13:23.500 don't view it the same way.

01:13:24.800 I agree.

01:13:25.240 When they hold each other to the standard, right?

01:13:27.000 Yeah.

01:13:27.260 So, women don't view male promiscuity the same way men view female promiscuity.

01:13:32.040 I think society validates guys being like, oh, good on him.

01:13:35.480 I don't think it's just a form of social stigma.

01:13:37.800 I think that it mostly comes from the idea of paternity.

01:13:43.320 So, the idea being, you know, paternity testing is recent.

01:13:48.480 So, all throughout human history, the best way that you could assure that you knew that

01:13:52.180 that's my kid is if you knew that chick was only sleeping with you. 1.00

01:13:56.740 How else could you determine it?

01:13:59.140 And so, I think that revolt kind of or disgust is built in with promiscuity when it comes

01:14:05.440 to women, but not for men.

01:14:09.080 They just don't view it the same way.

01:14:10.860 I think it's a fair argument, yeah.

01:14:11.920 Yeah.

01:14:13.300 I think with the body count, though, when you think about it, you should realistically divide

01:14:19.780 it by how many years you've been sexually active.

01:14:22.620 Because when you do that, it really doesn't seem that bad.

01:14:24.960 I mean, depending on the number.

01:14:26.420 Like, if you do have a judgment on it.

01:14:28.120 Because I think if you have, like, a high body count, but you've been sexually active

01:14:31.500 for, like, 20 years, you know, it really, a couple people a year, it's like, when you

01:14:36.620 think about it.

01:14:37.620 Yeah, but, so, again, I can agree with you in principle, but not in the practical.

01:14:44.960 So, again, let's look at it from a man's perspective.

01:14:47.760 Well, they're not going to do that.

01:14:49.360 They're just going to see the full number.

01:14:50.580 Is that what you're saying?

01:14:51.140 I think that they could even kind of engage with what you're saying, right?

01:14:54.680 And you could even hold them to the same standard.

01:14:56.940 But they still want, if they're going to settle down with you, generally they want children,

01:15:02.080 right?

01:15:02.640 Just generally speaking.

01:15:04.160 Maybe not all of them, but generally they will.

01:15:07.160 The idea of pair bonding, or can you stay with me in the long term, if you've been with

01:15:12.840 way less men, they think that that number goes way higher, right?

01:15:17.540 If you've been with way less men, your chances of bonding with me forever and ever and ever

01:15:22.000 are going to be way higher than if you've been with, you know, a hundred men.

01:15:26.340 And think of it from their perspective this way, on the logic of, what do you have to compare

01:15:31.720 me to?

01:15:32.900 So, this is why virgins, for instance, who get married, they often do report higher sexual

01:15:38.440 satisfaction and they stay together for way longer.

01:15:41.420 And when social scientists investigate this, they go, okay, why?

01:15:45.920 That's kind of odd.

01:15:46.780 And, well, there's nothing to compare it to.

01:15:49.720 So, let's say even the sex in this relationship was bad from your perspective, having been

01:15:54.500 with 50 guys, let's say, but hypothetically.

01:15:58.680 Would they both have to be virgins? 0.92

01:16:00.360 Yeah, both of them in this case. 0.84

01:16:01.920 If you have nothing to compare it to, I'm sure it's the best sex in the world.

01:16:05.140 Right.

01:16:05.760 Right?

01:16:06.300 That's true.

01:16:07.020 So, that's one of the good reasons why having a low body count, probably really good for

01:16:13.540 longevity instead of bad.

01:16:14.820 I would also agree with her.

01:16:17.360 I mean, so, if you take, for example, a 30-year-old who has a body count of 10 versus an 18-year-old

01:16:24.460 who has a body count of 10, clearly the promiscuity is greater in the 18-year-old.

01:16:30.360 I mean, it's the same body, it's the same body count, but...

01:16:35.460 I'm going to have to argue this one.

01:16:36.560 Okay, sure.

01:16:37.240 So, let's say it's two women who are 30, right?

01:16:42.060 And one racked up 20 bodies from the time she was 18 until the time she was 30. 1.00

01:16:47.680 And one racked up 30 bodies at 20 and then slept with nobody else until they were 30.

01:16:54.160 Why would... 1.00

01:16:54.640 I don't think a man would give a shit. 0.99

01:16:56.200 I think that they would still look at the totality of the body count and be just as horrified 0.99

01:16:59.700 either way.

01:17:01.260 Yeah, that's a fair point.

01:17:03.320 That's a fair point.

01:17:04.080 But, I mean, if the comparison is, for example, if the man is choosing between these two women,

01:17:11.080 say a 20-year-old who slept with 10 men in a period of two years versus a woman who's 30

01:17:20.100 who slept with 10 men over the course of 12 years, it could indicate two different things.

01:17:29.160 Yeah, I agree, but I would say if all things were equal, they were the same attractiveness

01:17:35.080 level, this and that, they would probably go for the 30-year-old. 1.00

01:17:38.360 But if they have the same exact body count and they have the choice of the more virile

01:17:41.900 19, 20-year-old, I still think they would go for that one if they had the same body count.

01:17:46.500 Yeah, but she wouldn't be seen as, like, faithful.

01:17:48.880 Because if she's still...

01:17:49.560 Neither would the 30-year-old.

01:17:50.820 That's the problem.

01:17:51.460 It may be the case.

01:17:52.420 It may be the case.

01:17:53.200 But in terms of, like, the actual, his thought process when it comes to the promiscuity component

01:18:00.900 of it, he can still determine, like, well, on this specific metric, the 30-year-old edges

01:18:07.140 out the 18-year-old, but I'm still more attracted to the 18-year-old.

01:18:10.100 Yes, if all things are equal.

01:18:11.640 Yes, I agree with that.

01:18:12.900 Yeah, so.

01:18:13.860 I just think that in that case, if you're just going between these two isolated cases, I guess

01:18:20.740 I can agree with that in spirit, but I think when this is applied in a broader scale to

01:18:26.500 how men engage, or at least how I've heard them talk about how they engage with relationships,

01:18:32.240 they're looking at the overarching, and they say, okay, the amount, number of men you've

01:18:36.040 slept with is definitely going to determine how loyal I think you're going to be to me.

01:18:40.900 That's definitely in their mind.

01:18:43.640 Oh, hey, yo.

01:18:45.180 Hey, Nick.

01:18:45.640 We're going to do a shout-out for Peo here, because we have a little, this is a perfect transition.

01:18:49.880 Peo, thank you for the raid.

01:18:51.300 Hope you had a good stream, man.

01:18:52.540 Nick, pull up Twitch really quick.

01:18:54.000 Guys, and also we're going to pull up, guys, drop us a follow.

01:18:57.420 Thank you for the raid, Peo.

01:18:58.900 If you have a, by the way, guys, it's been 26 minutes since we've had a Prime sub.

01:19:02.640 I think it's bugged.

01:19:04.000 Help?

01:19:05.300 Maddie?

01:19:05.900 Help.

01:19:06.260 Help?

01:19:07.600 Yo, Peo, thank you so much for the stream, man.

01:19:09.420 Guys, if you're coming over from Peo's stream, we are going to start playing World of Warcraft

01:19:13.080 here soon in a couple minutes.

01:19:15.580 We're going to talk about the dating, like online dating in World of Warcraft.

01:19:19.600 So if you're coming from Peo, just drop us a follow, guys.

01:19:22.060 We'll always talk about dating.

01:19:23.000 Also, we're going to have the girls rate.

01:19:25.140 Warsong Gulch dating.

01:19:26.720 Exactly.

01:19:27.240 We're going to have the girls rate. 1.00

01:19:28.440 Yo, Donkey, thank you for the Prime.

01:19:29.860 Rate, Peo, on a scale of 1 to 10.

01:19:31.740 Would they date him?

01:19:32.740 And also, we're going to show them the keyboard video.

01:19:35.180 Okay?

01:19:35.720 All right.

01:19:35.960 Thank you for the rate, Peo.

01:19:36.940 Nick, so can you find the keyboard video?

01:19:39.040 Can you find his Instagram?

01:19:40.200 Because we're going to, Peo's single, guys, he's a very, he's a big streamer in Canada.

01:19:46.680 What's his body count?

01:19:48.660 He's French-Canadian.

01:19:50.160 He's French-Canadian.

01:19:51.460 French-Canadian.

01:19:52.000 So, in fact, because he's French-Canadian, I'm going to change the TTS voice to, hold on. 0.96

01:20:00.480 I'm trying to change it to Canadian.

01:20:02.240 One sec.

01:20:03.220 To Canadian.

01:20:03.640 Where is it?

01:20:04.560 Where is it?

01:20:05.400 Is there an English Canadian voice?

01:20:06.500 There's a Canadian voice?

01:20:08.120 There is a Canadian voice.

01:20:09.280 Okay, I'm going to do French-Canadian, we're going to call it Liam.

01:20:13.540 Okay, so if any TTS is going to.

01:20:14.580 No, you've got to call it Gary after you.

01:20:15.920 Nick, can you pull up his Instagram first?

01:20:18.460 Okay.

01:20:20.480 Can we get his Instagram going?

01:20:23.720 All right, here he is.

01:20:25.680 All right.

01:20:26.520 He lives in, is it Quebec?

01:20:30.300 He's a Quebecois? 0.78

01:20:31.620 Quebecois?

01:20:32.480 All right.

01:20:33.460 Scroll down.

01:20:35.100 Okay.

01:20:36.080 So, skateboarder, obviously.

01:20:38.060 You know.

01:20:39.680 He's obviously, you know, this is some World of Warcraft footage on his personal Instagram.

01:20:43.400 Next.

01:20:43.700 Scroll down.

01:20:44.860 Wait, go back up.

01:20:47.020 That's AI.

01:20:47.940 The one with the beard?

01:20:48.820 No way.

01:20:50.000 Click on the one of him cleaning a pool.

01:20:53.860 Look, so he's, like, kind of domesticated.

01:20:55.720 Like, he'll, like, if you guys have a pool, he'll, you know, maintain the pool, I guess.

01:21:01.700 Next.

01:21:02.480 Also, look at the tricep.

01:21:03.640 He's obviously been, like, working out a bit.

01:21:06.160 Scroll down.

01:21:10.360 He kind of looks like Elon Musk.

01:21:12.900 He kind of looks like Elon Musk.

01:21:14.400 The photo up there, if you scroll back up, it kind of did look like Elon Musk.

01:21:16.780 Click on the one where he's shirtless.

01:21:18.360 Can we see that one?

01:21:21.640 Okay.

01:21:22.120 Next.

01:21:22.400 I feel like you're trying to make sure that these girls will never date this guy.

01:21:30.980 No, he's.

01:21:31.500 How old is this man?

01:21:32.600 How old is he?

01:21:33.440 He's, like, 40.

01:21:34.800 No, I don't know.

01:21:35.340 I think he's, like, 20.

01:21:36.320 He's not 40.

01:21:37.360 He's not 40.

01:21:38.080 No way.

01:21:38.480 36.

01:21:39.100 Wait.

01:21:39.640 Hold on.

01:21:40.020 Wait.

01:21:40.120 Click.

01:21:41.360 Do the shirtless one.

01:21:42.880 Scroll down.

01:21:44.180 Keep scrolling.

01:21:45.480 He's been posting a lot on Instagram.

01:21:47.160 He's been dropping thirst traps.

01:21:48.820 Click the sword one.

01:21:50.260 So, this is him with, like, Thunderfury.

01:21:52.580 I don't know if you guys like Blessed Blade of the Windseeker.

01:21:55.200 So, he had it on, like, two of his rogues in Classic.

01:21:58.700 Like, no easy feat, right?

01:22:00.480 So, he's obviously, like, he's a parser. 0.99

01:22:03.420 Like, he's a pumper in the raids and shit.

01:22:05.140 Like, he's, but honestly, like, his PvP and duels, way better. 0.95

01:22:09.360 Like, PvE, he wasn't big on PvE.

01:22:11.800 But, like, when it came to, like, PvP, like, solid.

01:22:15.300 Like, big on duels, but also, like, PvP.

01:22:17.860 Like, he'll just smoke somebody.

01:22:20.440 So, going around the table, like, let's just say if you're single, would you date Pao?

01:22:24.500 One day, there's going to be a chick here who has spent years playing World of Warcraft

01:22:28.440 and is just going to start spurging at Brian when he does one of these rants.

01:22:32.000 And I'm going to be here for that day.

01:22:34.540 Yeah, I'm going to be here when that date comes.

01:22:37.380 Lower it.

01:22:38.760 Lower it.

01:22:39.300 Lower it.

01:22:39.620 Lower it.

01:22:40.380 So, going around the table, would you date Pao?

01:22:44.780 I'm sorry, but no, I would not.

01:22:47.200 No.

01:22:49.100 Were we supposed to do a scale of 1 to 10 also, or no?

01:22:51.860 No.

01:22:52.900 Just maybe would you date him?

01:22:54.320 Would you date him?

01:22:55.580 Maybe.

01:22:56.000 I thought he was cute.

01:22:57.060 Oh, Pao.

01:22:58.180 Okay.

01:22:58.960 No.

01:23:00.160 No.

01:23:01.080 No.

01:23:01.240 Is it because he speaks French?

01:23:03.960 No.

01:23:04.940 French is cool, I think, but I don't find him attractive. 1.00

01:23:09.700 Okay.

01:23:10.260 What about you?

01:23:11.120 No.

01:23:11.620 Why no?

01:23:11.960 Oh, I don't think we got answers here.

01:23:13.720 I said no.

01:23:14.840 I said no.

01:23:15.500 Oh, okay.

01:23:15.920 No, thank you.

01:23:17.100 Andrew?

01:23:17.460 Thank you.

01:23:18.060 What do you date?

01:23:19.180 If you were single.

01:23:20.180 Like, that's the one.

01:23:22.720 He's straight.

01:23:24.240 It's taken him a really long time to answer.

01:23:26.300 Sorry, Andrew.

01:23:26.980 Okay.

01:23:27.220 He's really contemplating.

01:23:28.320 He's like, hmm.

01:23:29.340 And Nick, just really quick.

01:23:30.760 Just maybe this will turn things around.

01:23:32.600 Can you show us the keyboard video?

01:23:33.900 Okay.

01:23:34.040 And then mute the...

01:23:35.240 I have no idea.

01:23:38.800 I think...

01:23:39.760 Can you work on that?

01:23:41.460 That's why I muted it.

01:23:42.400 I was trying to find that.

01:23:43.520 So, Pao, thank you again for the raid.

01:23:45.240 If you're watching on Twitch, can you guys drop us a little follow in the chat?

01:23:48.840 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

01:23:51.060 He's trying to find the keyboard video.

01:23:53.020 While we're doing that, why not?

01:23:54.260 We'll just get into this.

01:23:55.380 Stifler.

01:23:56.200 Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.

01:23:58.580 You can't pick seven, starting with you.

01:24:00.040 Go ahead.

01:24:00.440 Rating my own luck?

01:24:01.380 Yeah.

01:24:02.200 Oh, a ten.

01:24:03.280 Ten?

01:24:03.620 Okay.

01:24:04.100 Ten.

01:24:04.660 Ten?

01:24:05.480 I'm going to go for an eight.

01:24:06.880 Eight?

01:24:07.360 Yeah, eight.

01:24:08.080 Eight?

01:24:08.760 Can we like seven point something?

01:24:10.420 Or no?

01:24:10.840 No sevens at all. 0.99

01:24:11.500 No sevens at all. 0.99

01:24:12.120 No sevens at all. 0.99

01:24:13.620 On like a really good day, eight.

01:24:16.040 I think an eight.

01:24:17.960 I was going to say seven and a half, but eight.

01:24:21.860 Today?

01:24:22.220 Okay.

01:24:22.700 Andrew, would you rate yourself?

01:24:23.900 Four.

01:24:24.920 I give myself a five.

01:24:27.440 So, ten, ten.

01:24:29.440 Eight.

01:24:29.980 Eight.

01:24:30.340 Okay.

01:24:30.700 Go ahead.

01:24:30.840 This is like solely appearance, right?

01:24:32.300 Nick, do you have the video?

01:24:33.460 Okay.

01:24:34.000 For today.

01:24:36.380 For today?

01:24:37.420 No, just your appearance.

01:24:38.280 Oh, as a whole, how you see yourself.

01:24:40.080 Oh.

01:24:40.700 I probably love.

01:24:41.320 I mean, no, I probably do a ton.

01:24:42.680 Just your physical appearance only.

01:24:44.640 Yeah.

01:24:45.120 Okay.

01:24:45.500 I like it.

01:24:46.020 I like it.

01:24:46.380 Okay.

01:24:46.640 Can we get the video going?

01:24:48.560 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:24:50.700 I mean, it's honestly, if you go to his Twitch, I think it's one of his top clips.

01:24:57.420 Okay.

01:24:57.980 I'm pretty sure.

01:24:58.760 Um, maybe, hold on.

01:25:01.440 Let me see if, probably the Twitch chat is going to help us out here.

01:25:04.280 Hold on.

01:25:05.600 All right.

01:25:06.140 Hold on.

01:25:06.600 I'll see if I can.

01:25:07.980 Actually, I don't know if they can put URLs in the Twitch chat.

01:25:11.360 Sorry, guys.

01:25:17.420 We're trying to find his video.

01:25:19.600 Because all the girls, except kind of you, said no for Peo.

01:25:23.680 But I think if I show you guys this video, it's going to totally change your mind.

01:25:28.040 All of you.

01:25:28.880 No, not you.

01:25:29.480 It's going to change the guys who said no.

01:25:30.920 All of you.

01:25:30.980 Sorry.

01:25:31.140 How are we doing on the video?

01:25:39.820 The keyboard?

01:25:46.700 I literally just typed in Peo keyboard video.

01:25:48.920 I think I've already found it.

01:25:50.220 Hello?

01:25:50.600 I have a question.

01:25:50.760 Do you know how tall Peo is?

01:25:53.100 Yeah, I'll put, I mean.

01:25:54.480 He doesn't look like he's over 6'1".

01:25:56.080 Okay.

01:25:57.120 Found it.

01:25:57.860 Definitely not in that 6'7".

01:25:59.320 No, he's actually like, I'm pretty sure he's like 6'3".

01:26:02.820 Honestly.

01:26:03.660 He's a tall guy.

01:26:05.260 We'll decide after the keyboard video.

01:26:07.220 Okay.

01:26:08.400 All right, Peo.

01:26:09.360 Is he still in the chat?

01:26:11.580 Is he still in the chat?

01:26:12.520 Peo, are you still in the chat, dude?

01:26:15.520 Peo, are you in the chat room?

01:26:16.800 I'm trying to hook it up.

01:26:18.420 Yeah, play that.

01:26:20.140 Yeah, put the sound on all the way.

01:26:23.160 Oh.

01:26:28.540 Wait.

01:26:34.400 Yo, is it a, it's a rice?

01:26:41.820 What is this?

01:26:44.000 We got a new friend.

01:26:50.040 No, I think it's a rice.

01:26:51.500 I'm not sure, man.

01:26:52.400 I don't want to touch it.

01:26:55.120 No.

01:26:56.120 So, hold on.

01:26:57.200 You might think your knee-jerk reaction is, that's gross.

01:27:00.760 But, is it gross?

01:27:02.200 Or, is that his commitment to being a top-tier gamer and streamer, that he doesn't clean

01:27:08.300 his keyboard?

01:27:09.800 He's so dedicated, so focused.

01:27:12.260 He has no time cleaning his keyboard.

01:27:15.300 He doesn't have time to do it.

01:27:18.280 Does he shower?

01:27:19.720 Does he have time to brush his teeth?

01:27:21.580 Like, once a week.

01:27:22.740 Does he piss himself while he's playing?

01:27:24.260 Like, I think he showers, like, once a week or something. 1.00

01:27:26.040 Fucking disgusting. 1.00

01:27:27.640 No way. 1.00

01:27:28.400 I feel like that video made it worse.

01:27:30.500 I thought that would help.

01:27:31.780 No.

01:27:32.520 I mean, I appreciate the commitment.

01:27:35.080 That's, like, good values, you know, but I just...

01:27:38.160 He reminds me of my cousin.

01:27:39.620 Yeah.

01:27:41.020 Huh.

01:27:41.600 I was going to say my brother.

01:27:42.320 He has a fun laugh.

01:27:44.480 Yeah, he's got a great laugh.

01:27:46.680 Great laugh.

01:27:47.380 You threw him under the bus, Brian.

01:27:48.700 You threw him under the bus.

01:27:49.800 No, I thought it would help.

01:27:51.680 Because, like, the girls, like, would know.

01:27:53.340 Like, that's dedication.

01:27:54.400 If your keyboard's that dirty...

01:27:55.780 I thought initially, when it was blurry, that it was, like, weed.

01:27:59.260 It was blurry.

01:28:00.280 And that, I would have maybe have been more acceptable.

01:28:03.740 I don't know.

01:28:04.000 No, it was like crumbs.

01:28:04.880 Yeah.

01:28:05.120 But also, Payo, I will buy you a new keyboard pro.

01:28:08.600 Can I buy you?

01:28:09.520 I will buy you any keyboard you want.

01:28:12.160 All right.

01:28:12.620 Make more videos and dedicate them to Brian of the keyboards that look like that, just so that we can watch Brian Sperg for hours about it.

01:28:18.980 Exactly.

01:28:19.880 Okay.

01:28:21.160 And make his OCD go nuts.

01:28:22.720 So, going back to this one, we have two 10s at the table.

01:28:30.780 Really?

01:28:32.060 Yeah.

01:28:34.500 I mean, I don't think other people would say I'm a 10, but I got to wake up every day and feel that way about myself.

01:28:41.760 Who do you think the prettiest girl in the room is? 1.00

01:28:46.360 I would say I think you're very pretty.

01:28:48.540 Thank you.

01:28:48.960 So, why do you think she rates herself less than you rate yourself if she's the prettiest? 0.82

01:28:53.760 I don't know.

01:28:54.380 I think that would be a question for her.

01:28:55.980 Yeah, I know.

01:28:56.340 But you're bisexual, right? 0.95

01:28:57.940 Mm-hmm.

01:28:58.300 So, it's easy for you to rate women, isn't it? 0.96

01:29:01.320 Sure.

01:29:01.880 I suppose.

01:29:03.340 But I'm not tending to rate them.

01:29:04.760 So, what are the features on her that make her prettier than you, even though you're a 10?

01:29:09.200 I didn't say she was prettier than me.

01:29:12.540 You said she's the prettiest girl in the room could have been you.

01:29:15.860 Oh, I thought you meant outside of me.

01:29:17.300 I mean, I suppose, I don't know.

01:29:19.160 I don't really like, well, you want me to say what makes her prettier than me?

01:29:26.100 If you think she's the prettiest girl in the room.

01:29:28.540 Well, I think you should, I think she should rate herself higher. 0.98

01:29:31.120 I definitely think that.

01:29:33.120 I just think she's pretty. 0.87

01:29:35.720 And the prettiest girl in the room.

01:29:37.660 So, what makes the other girls here less pretty? 1.00

01:29:40.240 All right, then maybe I'm a nine.

01:29:41.640 Okay.

01:29:42.060 It's not that they're less pretty.

01:29:43.300 I was going to say, well, I'm sorry, I'm trying to reconcile the possibility here.

01:29:48.960 If she's prettiest, then all other people who aren't as pretty must be less pretty.

01:29:54.720 Because otherwise, she can't be the prettiest.

01:29:57.460 All right.

01:29:58.200 That's fair.

01:29:58.940 Sure.

01:29:59.080 So, what makes the other girls less pretty? 1.00

01:30:01.100 I think maybe for me, and I hope I don't, like, offend you by this.

01:30:06.000 I think it's more, I'm attracted more to her.

01:30:09.920 Based on which, what features, what things?

01:30:13.700 I think she has a nice style.

01:30:15.680 Her eyes are very pretty.

01:30:17.600 Thank you.

01:30:18.100 Yeah.

01:30:18.440 I mean, I tend to be attracted more to women of color than white women. 0.71

01:30:23.840 Okay.

01:30:24.480 So, it's a preference.

01:30:25.720 Okay.

01:30:26.140 So, who's the second prettiest girl?

01:30:28.960 This is so foul.

01:30:31.040 Why?

01:30:31.920 I just don't like rating people in general.

01:30:34.700 I know, right?

01:30:35.020 But this is the thing.

01:30:36.400 This question is asked because women often, when they are rating themselves, they're not

01:30:42.140 actually rating themselves based on beauty. 0.97

01:30:43.940 They're rating themselves on all kinds of other shit, which is tangential to the question 0.98

01:30:47.480 that we're asking. 0.96

01:30:48.460 We're not asking you about your feelings.

01:30:50.060 We're not asking you about if this is a day where you woke up with extreme confidence

01:30:54.880 and on a Tuesday you would have rated yourself a six because you felt less confident

01:30:58.900 on a Tuesday.

01:30:59.520 Just purely physical attractiveness.

01:31:03.680 That's all we're asking.

01:31:05.480 So, if that is the case, that you're able to objectively rate people like this, including

01:31:09.320 yourself, as a 10, then I would assume that there's features that you have that make you

01:31:14.660 a 10 that other women do not have who are not 10s.

01:31:18.220 I don't know how objective it is because I think if I'm rating them, it's subjective.

01:31:23.860 Wouldn't you say?

01:31:25.180 Sure.

01:31:25.760 But objective to you, even if it's subjective from their standpoint, it would still be objective

01:31:31.360 from yours.

01:31:32.220 Only you know what you're attracted to.

01:31:34.380 Sure.

01:31:34.660 So, then that would be an objective standard from your perspective.

01:31:37.820 You could not be subjectively attracted to something, could you?

01:31:41.200 I guess that's fair.

01:31:42.060 Yeah.

01:31:43.180 I mean, my eyes, I would say, is a big one.

01:31:46.780 I don't think anybody else has two different colored eyes.

01:31:50.160 I think it's a unique feature.

01:31:52.160 I like that.

01:31:52.860 Yeah.

01:31:53.000 That's the big distinguishing factor, is that you have different colored eyes?

01:31:59.160 I mean, it's one of them.

01:32:00.520 Sure.

01:32:01.560 Okay.

01:32:01.920 So, who's the second prettiest girl, do you think?

01:32:03.960 This is so annoying.

01:32:06.800 I don't know.

01:32:09.900 I would say, like, she stands out to me the most.

01:32:13.500 It would be hard for me to, like, level anyone else outside of that.

01:32:18.120 Is there a possibility that you think that saying out loud what you actually think could

01:32:24.480 potentially hurt somebody's feelings?

01:32:26.220 And so, that's a motivation for why you don't actually want to say anything about it.

01:32:29.820 I mean, certainly.

01:32:30.840 Yeah.

01:32:31.580 Do you think that it's reasonable for me, after being around thousands of women and hearing

01:32:36.980 them nitpick each other to death, especially the second one gets up and leaves the room,

01:32:41.000 that most women likely can ascertain the beauty standard in comparison to themselves with

01:32:46.780 other women almost instantly, but never actually want to say it to anybody, or say it within

01:32:52.080 the earshot of other women?

01:32:53.800 Why is that wrong?

01:32:55.280 I'm not saying it's wrong.

01:32:56.280 I'm just asking if it's true.

01:32:58.360 It is true.

01:32:58.980 It is true.

01:32:59.560 It's 100% true.

01:33:00.340 100% true.

01:33:01.000 Is it true?

01:33:02.320 Yes.

01:33:02.980 True?

01:33:03.780 Repeat the question.

01:33:05.180 Isn't it true that women can very quickly ascertain if another woman is prettier than them, 0.99

01:33:10.780 or has features that they wish they had almost instantaneously, and then will often nitpick 0.99

01:33:15.480 the shit out of them when they're not around, based on those standards?

01:33:19.420 I mean, sure, but I think that is just a matter of your character, right? 0.98

01:33:24.720 Maybe the nitpicking part, but not necessarily the, I do have a view.

01:33:30.060 Yeah, that's what I mean.

01:33:31.060 You see what I'm saying?

01:33:31.900 Yeah.

01:33:32.120 And so you would say that most women have a view of this, and can very quickly ascertain

01:33:37.300 if another woman is more or less attractive than them.

01:33:40.560 Yeah, sure.

01:33:41.160 I mean, beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

01:33:42.820 Sure.

01:33:43.020 Even if it's from your subjective standpoint, you would still have that standpoint, right?

01:33:47.700 There's also things that are, like, objectively attractive.

01:33:49.800 I agree.

01:33:50.080 If you're very symmetrical, you're going to be more attractive.

01:33:52.440 I agree, but I just would prefer to take that off the table of universal standards,

01:33:57.180 because people don't like to deal in universals.

01:33:59.960 They like to deal in, especially when it comes to things which could potentially hurt somebody's

01:34:03.800 feelings.

01:34:05.220 You know, it's really subjective, and it's really just kind of up to the beauty of the behind 0.97

01:34:09.160 the beholder bullshit, right?

01:34:10.400 So I'm just like, okay, we'll just go with purely that. 0.97

01:34:13.580 And if that is the case, then you still do have a standard for what you think is attractive

01:34:18.860 or not attractive.

01:34:20.480 And so if that's the case, I just am always wondering why so many women lie when you ask 1.00

01:34:25.860 them this question.

01:34:27.300 Are you going around a table of women like this, right? 0.85

01:34:30.780 Why would you say that the prettiest girl in the room rates herself lower than you who 1.00

01:34:35.100 claimed that you were one of the most beautiful, possibly in the world, out of 10, right?

01:34:39.500 That's putting yourself at the highest possible metric for all the beautiful women who have

01:34:43.340 ever existed on planet Earth.

01:34:44.700 Okay, I'm a four.

01:34:46.240 Like, do you want me to lower my number?

01:34:49.120 It's not designed to break you down or hurt your feelings.

01:34:52.760 It's designed instead to see if the answer that you're giving is based around what you actually

01:34:57.840 think or what you think people want to hear.

01:35:00.800 That's what it's really for.

01:35:02.460 I suppose, well, I suppose it's where it is the looks question.

01:35:06.880 So it's just, I guess I'm not with the, I'm not intending to lie.

01:35:12.700 Well, I'm not even saying you are.

01:35:14.140 Yeah.

01:35:14.480 But I think that socially, these things are built in, especially to women, where they think 0.93

01:35:20.320 one thing, but they're not going to verbalize what that thing is they think, right?

01:35:24.820 Because it's not part of be nice, right?

01:35:29.700 Sure.

01:35:30.600 I don't think every, well, I guess we already kind of covered this.

01:35:32.980 I don't think every woman, like, we can definitely see the other features that make women, you 1.00

01:35:38.240 know, more attractive than us.

01:35:40.660 But I don't think that means that every one of us is going to go nitpick them, you know?

01:35:45.120 No, I'm not saying that you would nitpick them necessarily. 0.99

01:35:48.840 Or talk shit. 0.99

01:35:49.460 Or talk shit, but that you would be able to ascertain quickly if this woman is more 1.00

01:35:54.440 attractive than you or not. 1.00

01:35:55.740 Sure.

01:35:56.160 Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

01:35:57.640 Okay.

01:35:58.140 And so if I know that you agree that that is true, and every woman here seems to agree

01:36:02.820 that that is true, then if I asked you to honestly rate the woman next to you, would

01:36:07.040 you?

01:36:11.940 Do you want me to?

01:36:12.980 Yeah.

01:36:13.700 You want me to rate her?

01:36:14.980 Yeah, honestly.

01:36:15.920 Okay.

01:36:16.220 Well, then I'd have to also start by lowering my own, because I suppose I wouldn't be a

01:36:22.980 10 if we're talking, you know, I feel like a 10 myself, but I suppose based on looks,

01:36:28.640 maybe I'd be, well, I'm not allowed to say a 7, so I would, I suppose I would do, I mean,

01:36:35.200 I think I'm very pretty, but I suppose I would do an 8.

01:36:38.260 An 8?

01:36:38.680 I suppose I would do an 8 for you as well.

01:36:41.620 And the one next to her?

01:36:42.720 I mean, they're all probably going to be 8s.

01:36:44.480 All of them?

01:36:44.880 Yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty attractive table of women. 1.00

01:36:49.680 Think of a woman who is a famous woman that you can think of who's under an 8. 0.68

01:36:56.860 Lizzo.

01:36:58.800 That was real quick.

01:37:00.600 I don't know why Lizzo.

01:37:02.160 You're thinking about that.

01:37:03.320 Melissa McCarthy popped in my head, randomly.

01:37:07.360 That's a really weird one.

01:37:08.420 That's a really weird one, yeah.

01:37:09.520 Oh, like a 4, 5, 4?

01:37:13.380 I don't really think that I would rate anyone too, too low.

01:37:16.280 Right.

01:37:17.140 But that also might just be because it's socialized in me, you know?

01:37:19.840 Right.

01:37:20.220 So.

01:37:21.520 As far as the hurting the feelings things go.

01:37:23.860 Sure, yeah, yeah.

01:37:25.240 And so the reason this question is asked, it's not actually ever asked to be offensive.

01:37:30.280 It's asked to determine the delusion level.

01:37:32.320 Like, what is the delusion level? 0.99

01:37:35.100 If I'm comparing myself to the most attractive men on planet Earth, right, 10s, yeah, I'm a fucking 4. 0.98

01:37:42.400 Of course. 0.98

01:37:43.380 Of course that's true. 0.99

01:37:44.700 Fucking old, right? 0.99

01:37:46.580 Haven't taken great care of myself. 0.99

01:37:48.160 I'm a 4, for sure.

01:37:49.520 Brian, he's delusional.

01:37:50.560 He ain't a 5 either.

01:37:51.400 But the thing is, it's like, okay, at least a 5 is more rational and reasonable than I'm a 10 on par with the most beautiful women in the existence of the world, right?

01:38:04.960 Doesn't that sound delusional when you think about it?

01:38:07.340 And doesn't it sound narcissistic from people hearing it?

01:38:10.920 Doesn't it actually have the opposite effect when you think about it?

01:38:13.820 I mean, I think we all have to be a little delusional to get through our lives as the physical being that we are.

01:38:20.640 But sure, I'm sure.

01:38:22.920 You think we have to be delusional?

01:38:24.640 I mean, I don't think anybody is waking up and the first thing they say to themselves is like, oh, man, I'm a 4.

01:38:31.780 Let me go about my day.

01:38:33.300 Yeah, you know, I think that's where I'm going to disagree.

01:38:36.400 So I think that there are tens of thousands of men who do exactly that.

01:38:43.220 They wake up and say, okay, I'm at the lower end of the socioeconomic tier and the physical attractiveness tier, and I need to change that quickly.

01:38:50.640 Yeah.

01:38:53.720 Well, I'll let you, yeah, you can take it from there.

01:38:58.180 Well, I was gone for a bit, so I don't remember where things left off.

01:39:04.220 But, yeah, that's all I'm saying is that I think that men do, because they have to operate in a hierarchical system, they do actually have to be objective and non-delusional about this.

01:39:15.160 Their attractiveness level, their socioeconomic status matters to them in a daily way that doesn't seem to apply to women. 1.00

01:39:21.640 And so, no, I don't think they're that delusional about it.

01:39:23.600 I think that they do indeed get up and go and look at the mirror and go, whoa, I really don't look very good, and I'm really broke, and I need to do something about that.

01:39:34.280 Okay.

01:39:34.880 Yeah.

01:39:35.880 I think that that's kind of the distinction.

01:39:37.480 That's why the question is asked, and why men are constantly stunned by hearing that this podcast seemingly has the most beautiful women in the entire world on it all the time.

01:39:51.920 Well, I also, it's, no, that's fair.

01:39:56.200 That's fair.

01:39:57.480 It's hard for me to just do looks with myself, though, even when the question is asked about looks, you know?

01:40:02.640 But, anyway.

01:40:04.940 Yeah.

01:40:05.380 Okay.

01:40:06.580 Well, question for the whole panel.

01:40:08.480 Have you guys, what do you think is more common, a mid-guy with a beautiful girl or a handsome guy with a mid-girl?

01:40:16.320 What's more common?

01:40:18.360 Mid-guy, beautiful girl.

01:40:19.620 Let's just start over there.

01:40:21.280 I'd say mid-guy with a beautiful girl.

01:40:23.440 Mid-guy with a beautiful girl.

01:40:24.700 Mid-guy with a beautiful girl.

01:40:26.600 Yeah, we can all agree on that.

01:40:28.120 Yeah.

01:40:29.200 Okay.

01:40:29.600 Now, this might be true, but one of the issues that I have with it is, there's a couple things.

01:40:39.300 On one hand, if you see your female friends, or just women you don't even know, and you're like, why is she with that guy?

01:40:47.960 He's mid or whatever.

01:40:50.620 I actually think women make awful appraisals of men's attractiveness as well as their own attractiveness. 0.99

01:41:00.760 And so, social pressure is a very big thing.

01:41:05.000 So, if you have, like, huge swaths of women who think, whoa, all these women are settling, you're probably going to, like, be telling your girlfriends, you could do better.

01:41:15.080 And that's going to instill in your girlfriend's head, who's otherwise in a good relationship, who's otherwise in a relationship with somebody in her league, you're going to start putting things in her head.

01:41:25.580 And she's going to have things in her own head thinking, I settled for this guy.

01:41:29.260 I'm better looking than this guy.

01:41:31.360 Because if 80% of women appraise themselves higher than they actually are, and you have a far smaller subset of men who have this delusional self-appraisal,

01:41:41.200 then you're going to have women who find themselves feeling contempt, essentially, for their partners because they feel like they've settled when actually they're in a relationship with somebody who is their equivalent.

01:41:55.960 And also, not to mention, you guys have the benefit of makeup, which, and you'll judge yourself, here's how I look with filters, here's how I look with filters, and, sorry, I got distracted. 0.98

01:42:09.960 Here's how I look with filters, and makeup, and all this shit.

01:42:15.200 And you think that that's how you actually look. 0.98

01:42:18.280 That's not, the way you actually look is how you look without any makeup, just stepped out of the shower.

01:42:23.220 That's how you look.

01:42:25.000 Now, the other thing is, when it comes to this, how do I want to frame this?

01:42:32.460 Well, I would take this even easier, kind of an easier way to rationalize it for me, is I think the opposite.

01:42:39.260 I think it's way more common to see the attractiveness switch.

01:42:46.280 So you think that it's mid-men with beautiful women, right?

01:42:52.480 You see that a lot.

01:42:53.160 I guess.

01:42:53.920 Yeah, I think it's the opposite.

01:42:55.240 And the reason I think it's the opposite is because of just how high I hear women rate themselves. 1.00

01:43:00.480 So I think if you're, for instance, it's no offense to you, no offense to you either, but if you're rating yourself on par with the most beautiful women on planet Earth, then what fucking guy isn't, in comparison, going to be mid? 0.98

01:43:14.120 Sure. 0.97

01:43:14.580 You know what I mean?

01:43:15.220 And so if you're looking at every woman as a comparison to yourself and saying all of them are on par with you and that makes them a 10, or if that's, because I would consider that pretty average, right? 0.97

01:43:26.420 But if you're considering that to be a 10, then what fucking guy wouldn't be a mid? 0.98

01:43:32.560 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:43:33.300 But I think it's the other way around.

01:43:34.760 I think I usually see guys who are way, way out of women's leagues with subpart women. 1.00

01:43:43.240 That's how I perceive it.

01:43:45.460 I just think that women's estimation of themselves is way too high. 1.00

01:43:50.040 Another question for the panel.

01:43:52.880 So how do you think men treat women who they think they are settling for?

01:43:59.180 Do they treat them well or do they tend to treat them poorly?

01:44:02.500 Poorly.

01:44:02.980 Poorly.

01:44:03.640 Poorly.

01:44:04.120 Poorly.

01:44:04.760 Do you have an answer?

01:44:10.940 I, uh, it's so tough because we're talking strictly based on looks and it's like relationships.

01:44:19.100 Yeah.

01:44:19.280 There's more to it than that.

01:44:20.420 You know, like if, if you're mid my consideration, I mean, if we're, if we're still like looks and then that's fine.

01:44:26.260 Yeah.

01:44:26.380 We're still talking about that.

01:44:28.740 Um, I don't know.

01:44:29.540 I think they treat them similar to how they treat themselves.

01:44:33.320 Well, I mean, we have a woman here who said her treatment totally changed when she became more physically attractive.

01:44:40.360 She used to weigh more. 0.99

01:44:41.980 She now weighs less.

01:44:43.100 The treatment has totally changed.

01:44:45.560 And so taking her anecdotal example here, I would say this equally applies to women.

01:44:53.060 Yeah.

01:44:53.700 Women treat men who they're more attracted to better than they treat men who they're less attracted to. 0.97

01:45:00.080 I think that's just a subconscious thing.

01:45:02.760 Yeah.

01:45:02.920 Right.

01:45:03.500 But if as a woman, but let me ask you a question.

01:45:06.440 If you think you're more attractive than you actually are, how are you going to treat the men who are actually in your league?

01:45:16.340 You're going to just outright reject them.

01:45:20.440 You're going to ignore them.

01:45:21.240 Or if you do end up in a relationship with them, you're going to view it as settling.

01:45:25.300 And invariably, you're not going to treat them very well.

01:45:28.300 Not, not in all instances, of course.

01:45:30.260 I'm not saying all women are inclined to treat people, uh, worse off.

01:45:34.100 But it occurs to me that we do tend to treat people, uh, differently based on our sense of how attractive they are.

01:45:43.580 If you settle for somebody, you might do less for them.

01:45:46.820 You might not treat them as well.

01:45:49.120 Sure.

01:45:49.940 That's fair.

01:45:50.800 I think a lot of it for girls, too, is like a lot of attractiveness.

01:45:53.600 I know we're talking solely based off looks, but a lot of attractiveness is from personality.

01:45:57.840 I've seen guys that I like know that before I get to know them, I can be like, they're not very cute.

01:46:03.060 They're not that good looking, but once you get to know them and their personality, it can completely change.

01:46:06.880 And I'm notoriously known to go for guys that the rest of my friends don't find very attractive.

01:46:11.720 But that's solely because of their personality and how they hold themselves.

01:46:17.020 How tall were they?

01:46:17.700 How tall were they?

01:46:18.140 Or wait, are you asking?

01:46:19.360 Or no?

01:46:19.480 Yeah, so were they still 6'3", but they weren't good looking, but their personality was good?

01:46:24.140 No, not necessarily.

01:46:25.040 I mean...

01:46:25.660 I thought you only dated 6'1 and above.

01:46:29.780 My height and above is like, yeah, almost 6'1.

01:46:32.140 Yeah.

01:46:32.340 I mean, height's a big thing, but I think that their personalities are more like the thing that gets them across from me.

01:46:42.240 If a guy's funny and like holds himself with confidence and stuff, it goes way further than me.

01:46:45.940 Are all men funny?

01:46:47.120 And what percentage of men do you think are funny? 0.97

01:46:49.960 And what percentage of men hold themselves with confidence or have charisma?

01:46:54.500 Probably a pretty high amount, but I think there's a fine line between confidence and charisma and like ego.

01:46:59.880 Sure, these are all different things, but...

01:47:02.860 Yeah.

01:47:05.660 I would say that...

01:47:07.060 Oh, sorry, go ahead.

01:47:08.020 Well, I mean, I was just going to say I agree that men can make up for deficiencies by having outstanding personality, humor, etc.

01:47:19.180 They can make up for it.

01:47:20.380 But I still think some component of physical attractiveness needs to be there.

01:47:26.640 Yeah.

01:47:27.340 But, yes, sure.

01:47:29.560 If they can...

01:47:30.600 But what if a guy doesn't have those things?

01:47:35.020 Doesn't have the physical traits?

01:47:36.480 No, he doesn't have the humor or the charisma or the personality.

01:47:40.440 It's probably a no-go.

01:47:43.020 I find that when people don't hold themselves in confident ways, don't have the charisma, don't...

01:47:48.780 They become less attractive to me.

01:47:51.280 Okay.

01:47:51.800 Even if they're like a 10 out of 10, there's just something about them that will always be less attractive to me.

01:47:56.520 The way you think really matters.

01:47:58.160 Yeah.

01:47:58.580 There was a guy that I was talking to.

01:48:00.640 He had an eight-pack, beautiful, but he was a liberal.

01:48:04.420 And I was just like, I can't do it.

01:48:06.760 Just the way that he...

01:48:07.740 The things that he would say, I just couldn't do it.

01:48:09.520 You did the right thing.

01:48:11.260 I'm telling you, he was sexy. 1.00

01:48:12.580 His biceps were insane, but he was just stupid. 1.00

01:48:15.580 Not big in it. 1.00

01:48:16.380 It really does matter. 0.95

01:48:17.460 My first boyfriend, he actually was ugly. 0.89

01:48:19.680 He was not attractive. 0.93

01:48:20.600 People tell him all the time, how the hell were you able to get Kishwan?

01:48:22.780 He says, my personality.

01:48:23.980 And it's true. 0.56

01:48:25.780 He was a conservative?

01:48:27.160 No.

01:48:27.760 I was like 17.

01:48:29.360 Oh.

01:48:29.840 He's in prison now.

01:48:33.500 I didn't really choose the best guy the first time around.

01:48:35.960 Dodged a bullet.

01:48:36.540 Yeah.

01:48:37.480 I mean, I guess going back to my point,

01:48:39.520 so if women tend to have a delusional and inflated sense of self 1.00

01:48:44.200 as it comes to their physical attractiveness,

01:48:47.360 they'll rate themselves higher than they actually are.

01:48:49.920 They rate men lower than what those men actually are.

01:48:53.080 I mean, how is this just not a recipe for disaster

01:48:55.960 where women will just be perpetually chasing after men 1.00

01:48:59.260 who are out of their league

01:49:00.340 and rejecting the men who are in their league?

01:49:03.940 So, I mean, that's why I think this rating question is important.

01:49:08.940 Frankly, I think most women are trying to date 1.00

01:49:10.820 well above what their looks, prospects, and personalities warrant.

01:49:15.520 I'd say some women, not all.

01:49:20.980 I agree.

01:49:22.740 I especially think the issue of women chasing men is rampant right now. 0.97

01:49:27.800 I don't know if I entirely see the correlation between it

01:49:30.740 being because they rate themselves more highly

01:49:32.920 and tend to avoid men who you say are in their league.

01:49:36.200 But I definitely think that it's a problem

01:49:40.380 when women demean themselves to the point of chasing men, 1.00

01:49:44.180 whether they recognize they're doing it or not.

01:49:46.220 Well, I think that the script has slowly been getting flipped with Gen Z. 1.00

01:49:51.860 So the idea of egalitarianism,

01:49:55.560 the movement towards we're just interchangeable widgets,

01:49:58.200 which has become socialized in society,

01:50:00.080 it seems to be rejected pretty heavily by a huge subset of Gen Z.

01:50:05.540 A bunch of them embrace it, don't get me wrong,

01:50:07.040 but a larger subset of them say no than you would ever imagine.

01:50:12.140 And so they seem to look at this and go,

01:50:15.340 ah, you know, if you really think we're equal

01:50:18.320 and you really think that you're awesome, 1.00

01:50:19.920 you can pay for the fucking dates and you can fuck off. 1.00

01:50:24.140 And it seems to kind of reverse the script, right? 1.00

01:50:27.000 Now the women kind of have to chase them. 1.00

01:50:29.000 And it's like, eh, you know, we don't really want to get involved

01:50:32.380 if this is going to be a lot of work 0.99

01:50:34.860 and a pain in the ass and this type of thing. 0.97

01:50:37.560 And there seems to be a much larger subset of that now 0.99

01:50:41.720 than there was definitely for millennials.

01:50:45.720 Just one point of clarification, Gracie.

01:50:48.100 When I say chasing,

01:50:49.620 I don't mean that they're necessarily

01:50:51.820 like doing the proactive things that men do to get women,

01:50:56.000 although they are,

01:50:56.760 but so when I say chasing,

01:51:01.380 I just mean like the men that they want to be with.

01:51:04.000 So the man could still be taking initiative

01:51:06.160 because men will shoot their shots with women below their league. 0.96

01:51:11.900 But the women will view this purely sexual interest 1.00

01:51:15.840 and think that this is somehow equating

01:51:19.700 to like long-term romantic interest.

01:51:23.920 And so a really attractive guy might pursue a woman

01:51:27.680 who's less good looking than him.

01:51:30.760 Doesn't mean that she'll ever get commitment

01:51:32.900 or anything like that. 0.99

01:51:34.480 That's why women often complain about fuckboys and the like 1.00

01:51:37.040 because there's just a differential there. 0.98

01:51:41.960 And it does happen to men,

01:51:46.540 but you typically don't hear men complaining about,

01:51:50.080 well, I slept with her once and then, 0.99

01:51:54.740 I mean, look, there's some women who do this, 1.00

01:51:58.160 but I slept with her once. 1.00

01:52:00.140 I wanted more, but she didn't.

01:52:02.240 Some women do this, 1.00

01:52:05.180 but it's not a common complaint among men.

01:52:09.660 And the differential is,

01:52:11.080 so as a man,

01:52:13.340 if we can sleep with a woman, 1.00

01:52:15.240 there's a very high likelihood

01:52:16.580 we can get her in a relationship. 1.00

01:52:18.500 It's not clear to me if the reverse is the same.

01:52:21.720 It's not clear to me if a woman, 0.99

01:52:23.660 just because you can sleep with a guy,

01:52:26.360 that you can with certainty

01:52:28.520 get him into a relationship

01:52:30.580 if that's your goal.

01:52:35.280 I'm just,

01:52:36.400 doesn't that make sense though

01:52:37.480 based on what you just explained?

01:52:39.160 So like a guy,

01:52:41.000 I'm like, did I hear this right?

01:52:43.200 So a guy sleeps with a girl 0.93

01:52:44.760 and thinks he could get her in a relationship.

01:52:47.680 Is that what it is?

01:52:48.600 But then it's not the same.

01:52:50.400 Yeah, like as men,

01:52:52.540 if we can sleep with you,

01:52:54.460 if we want a relationship,

01:52:56.440 there's a pretty good chance

01:52:58.100 we can get that girl in a relationship. 1.00

01:53:00.540 It's not clear to me

01:53:02.080 if a girl sleeps with a guy 1.00

01:53:04.380 that she can in all instances

01:53:06.580 get the guy in a relationship.

01:53:10.980 I think that's fair.

01:53:12.460 It's true.

01:53:13.400 Because here's one of the reasons.

01:53:15.540 So in order for us men,

01:53:17.400 in order for us to sleep with a girl, 1.00

01:53:19.020 typically from the girl's perspective,

01:53:20.960 from the woman's perspective, 1.00

01:53:21.940 we have to be at least attractive enough

01:53:25.860 to be in a relationship with you.

01:53:29.120 So if you have,

01:53:30.200 and it goes sort of very opposite ways.

01:53:32.740 So for you to sleep with a guy, 0.92

01:53:36.980 even if it's casual,

01:53:38.600 you'll typically want the guy to be,

01:53:41.340 like you'll go out of your way

01:53:42.840 to find like a super attractive guy

01:53:44.660 to do that.

01:53:46.680 Yeah, it's a fly.

01:53:47.460 Cool.

01:53:47.620 Whereas when it comes to women, 0.94

01:53:52.300 or excuse me,

01:53:52.880 when it comes to men,

01:53:55.680 we'll sleep with a girl 1.00

01:53:56.700 who just on the basis of her looks alone, 1.00

01:53:58.880 we just want to have sex, whatever. 0.54

01:54:01.320 She'll never get commitment.

01:54:03.360 She'll never get a relationship. 0.93

01:54:04.480 We'll still sleep with her. 0.89

01:54:05.620 Like just on the basis of her looks,

01:54:08.020 like we'll sleep with her,

01:54:09.540 but based off of her looks, 0.94

01:54:11.480 we would never be in a relationship with her.

01:54:13.620 She'll never get commitment.

01:54:15.120 She'll never get a relationship. 0.93

01:54:16.280 Does that make,

01:54:19.760 does that parse for you?

01:54:21.280 Like, so for example,

01:54:22.560 if a guy's trying to get laid, 0.94

01:54:24.140 like he just wants quick sex, 0.77

01:54:26.320 he'll lower his standards. 0.99

01:54:28.200 Whereas women, 1.00

01:54:29.740 if they want to just get sex, 0.99

01:54:31.980 they'll actually, 0.88

01:54:33.200 typically,

01:54:33.840 they're not going to lower their standards,

01:54:36.020 looks wise.

01:54:36.880 They're going to raise their standards,

01:54:38.500 looks wise.

01:54:39.640 They're going to be like, 0.97

01:54:40.600 well, if I just want casual sex, 0.97

01:54:41.800 I want it to be the hottest guy I can get it. 0.53

01:54:44.620 Whereas for a relationship,

01:54:45.780 they might recognize,

01:54:47.540 well,

01:54:47.760 I can't get that hot guy into a relationship 1.00

01:54:49.920 because he just wants sex. 0.94

01:54:51.880 So I have to be more realistic

01:54:53.460 when it comes to the physical attractiveness

01:54:55.860 of a long-term partner.

01:54:59.500 Does that make sense?

01:55:00.300 Yeah,

01:55:00.520 that's fair.

01:55:01.660 But I,

01:55:02.000 yeah,

01:55:02.560 I don't know that every,

01:55:03.800 well,

01:55:04.220 again,

01:55:04.600 this isn't going to apply to every woman, 1.00

01:55:05.860 but like,

01:55:06.780 I feel like I,

01:55:07.740 I, 0.97

01:55:08.040 if I wanted sex, 0.99

01:55:08.740 I would go, 1.00

01:55:09.940 just sex, 0.98

01:55:10.520 I would go for someone who I felt was in my league 0.80

01:55:13.280 and or above,

01:55:14.760 you know?

01:55:15.740 Yeah,

01:55:15.960 so the most beautiful men on planet earth,

01:55:17.800 right?

01:55:18.360 For sure.

01:55:18.940 Tens.

01:55:19.620 Tens,

01:55:20.140 right?

01:55:20.680 Well,

01:55:20.940 listen,

01:55:21.400 after discussing,

01:55:22.620 I lowered my number,

01:55:24.000 okay? 0.99

01:55:24.480 So don't shit on me. 0.91

01:55:26.260 But I'm just, 0.97

01:55:27.240 I'm just saying,

01:55:28.040 from the perspective of a woman who says,

01:55:31.960 I'm a 10,

01:55:32.880 they say,

01:55:33.360 well,

01:55:33.480 I'm going to go out and get a guy who's in my league. 0.99

01:55:35.600 That's every fucking guy who exists, 0.99

01:55:37.640 right? 0.99

01:55:38.060 Sure.

01:55:38.860 But I do think after hearing all this discussion,

01:55:41.120 like,

01:55:41.360 I think there is one thing to admitting or saying out loud that you're a 10

01:55:46.200 and then actually internalizing that and feeling that way.

01:55:49.100 It seems like more women just ask the question, 1.00

01:55:52.000 like myself,

01:55:52.840 would say,

01:55:53.240 yeah,

01:55:53.340 I'm a 10,

01:55:53.920 but then realistically in their everyday lives,

01:55:56.120 I don't think they actually,

01:55:58.180 neither do we,

01:55:59.540 we think the exact same thing.

01:56:00.960 Well,

01:56:01.120 no,

01:56:01.300 not that we're saying,

01:56:02.120 so we're saying the exact same thing,

01:56:03.480 right?

01:56:03.660 Is that,

01:56:04.440 yeah,

01:56:04.600 you're,

01:56:04.860 you're correct.

01:56:05.500 That most women will identify themselves at an outrageously high 1.00

01:56:09.720 number,

01:56:10.680 eight,

01:56:11.100 nine,

01:56:11.500 10,

01:56:12.240 um,

01:56:12.940 you know,

01:56:13.200 something in this category,

01:56:14.380 but I don't think that they're being honest.

01:56:18.300 And when you,

01:56:19.360 you start to reduce why they're not being honest,

01:56:22.640 you start to recognize these kinds of patterns that it has more to do with

01:56:25.640 how I feel more to do with how I want to present more,

01:56:29.900 more to do with that than how they actually think they rate compared to other

01:56:34.100 women. 0.81

01:56:35.140 Right.

01:56:35.620 So then if that's the case,

01:56:37.260 I don't know that everyone would delusionally go after the most attractive

01:56:40.700 guy.

01:56:41.580 Does that make sense?

01:56:42.620 Right.

01:56:42.800 But that would make all that would make our point for us.

01:56:45.360 It'd be saying,

01:56:46.000 so if you wouldn't,

01:56:46.920 weren't going after the most attractive guys,

01:56:48.740 but you're going for whatever was in your league,

01:56:50.520 then this idea that you were a 10 and amongst the most beautiful on planet

01:56:54.020 earth clearly can't be the case.

01:56:56.660 So that's the point,

01:56:57.840 right?

01:56:58.500 No.

01:56:58.760 And I think I got around to the point.

01:57:03.080 We have a chat here from Giovanni C.

01:57:05.640 Can I have you read it for us?

01:57:08.100 Thank you,

01:57:08.640 Giovanni.

01:57:08.960 Brian is spitting.

01:57:11.080 A male 10 will sleep with a three to five for any number of reasons, 0.92

01:57:15.100 drunk,

01:57:15.540 bored,

01:57:15.880 et cetera.

01:57:16.760 But that three to five,

01:57:17.920 well,

01:57:18.480 will then believe they're in the same league just because the 10 bottomed out

01:57:22.480 for them.

01:57:23.040 Okay.

01:57:24.180 So I don't know why it stayed up for such a short period of time.

01:57:26.720 I need to fix that.

01:57:27.680 But yeah, 0.99

01:57:28.120 so really good looking guy sleeps with ugly chick. 1.00

01:57:30.200 Now ugly chick thinks they can have a relationship with a really good looking 1.00

01:57:33.540 guy. 0.99

01:57:35.260 That's his point.

01:57:36.340 Women hold more value over sex than guys do. 1.00

01:57:38.960 I would say generally,

01:57:39.980 or like have a more women, 0.99

01:57:41.660 women, 1.00

01:57:42.280 women. 0.81

01:57:42.660 Yeah.

01:57:43.020 Women. 0.81

01:57:43.580 Women. 0.81

01:57:44.120 Yes.

01:57:44.400 That's what she said.

01:57:45.400 It sounds like you're saying woman,

01:57:47.100 woman, 1.00

01:57:47.840 women, 1.00

01:57:48.360 women, 1.00

01:57:48.980 women, 1.00

01:57:49.460 sorry,

01:57:49.900 women. 0.81

01:57:51.220 Women. 0.81

01:57:51.620 Yes.

01:57:52.360 Because I think they tend to have a more like have emotional connection when it

01:57:56.760 comes to sex and guys do like chemically in the brain. 0.99

01:57:59.760 Scientifically,

01:58:00.300 that happens too.

01:58:01.360 So,

01:58:01.580 okay.

01:58:01.940 Yeah.

01:58:03.700 Oh,

01:58:04.180 last question on this.

01:58:05.300 do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10 years time?

01:58:11.980 Starting with you.

01:58:13.200 No.

01:58:14.280 Okay.

01:58:15.060 Do you think you're more physically attractive now at 34 than you were at 24?

01:58:20.200 Um,

01:58:21.340 I guess not.

01:58:26.120 Thank you.

01:58:28.700 Guess not.

01:58:29.800 What?

01:58:30.120 Uh,

01:58:31.380 no,

01:58:31.660 I,

01:58:31.860 I suppose I was more attractive at 24.

01:58:34.980 Okay.

01:58:35.520 What about you?

01:58:36.280 In 10 years?

01:58:37.260 Yeah.

01:58:37.520 Um,

01:58:37.960 yeah,

01:58:38.180 I'll stay the same.

01:58:40.080 Okay.

01:58:40.500 So you're 26.

01:58:41.380 You'll,

01:58:41.860 uh,

01:58:42.160 be not more attractive,

01:58:44.600 but you'll be just as attractive at 36 than as you are now at 26.

01:58:48.860 I mean,

01:58:49.120 who's to say maybe I could get more attractive,

01:58:51.140 but yeah,

01:58:51.520 I think I'll probably say the same.

01:58:52.660 So minimum same,

01:58:53.680 possibly more attractive.

01:58:55.340 What about 46,

01:58:56.600 20 years time?

01:58:57.880 46,

01:58:58.580 probably the same.

01:58:59.240 Yeah.

01:58:59.380 I mean,

01:59:00.100 just based on like genetics,

01:59:02.180 how my parents and aunts and uncles and stuff have aged.

01:59:05.980 I think so.

01:59:06.680 Yeah.

01:59:07.300 Okay.

01:59:07.780 30 years,

01:59:08.480 56.

01:59:10.660 Sure.

01:59:11.540 Yeah.

01:59:13.400 Are you just trolling or?

01:59:14.960 I'm not trolling.

01:59:15.700 I'm being for real.

01:59:18.880 Do you?

01:59:19.320 Okay.

01:59:20.400 10 more years,

01:59:21.680 40 years.

01:59:22.580 I think we'll probably tap out at 66.

01:59:25.220 66 is the peak you think of your attractiveness?

01:59:28.860 Yeah,

01:59:29.220 sure.

01:59:30.100 Okay.

01:59:30.460 And so I'm just curious.

01:59:31.540 So you said you'll be just as or more physically attractive at 56 as you are now at 26.

01:59:37.760 Why do you think that is?

01:59:39.960 Because I'm pretty.

01:59:42.080 Because I'm going to age well.

01:59:43.260 Wait, can you just repeat the question to me just so I know you understand the question?

01:59:49.040 What's going to make me more physically attractive?

01:59:51.440 Is that what you're asking?

01:59:53.360 What?

01:59:53.900 I didn't say what.

01:59:55.440 Okay.

01:59:55.860 Repeat the question.

01:59:57.220 Well, okay.

01:59:57.580 The initial question was, do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years,

02:00:02.200 20 years, 30 years?

02:00:03.420 Yeah.

02:00:03.760 Right.

02:00:07.180 That is your understanding, correct?

02:00:09.180 Yeah.

02:00:09.320 Okay.

02:00:09.980 So why will you be more physically attractive at 56 as compared to now at 26?

02:00:15.880 Why?

02:00:16.440 Because I'm going to be the same person I am, which is a pretty girl.

02:00:21.120 And I'm going to, I don't know.

02:00:23.680 So let me, so I'll just grant you that people can obviously, you can still be attractive

02:00:29.020 in your 30s, 40s, 50s, but that's not the question.

02:00:33.680 The question is, will you be just as or more attractive as a comparison?

02:00:42.460 Answer still yes?

02:00:44.780 Yeah.

02:00:45.220 Yeah.

02:00:45.580 Still yes.

02:00:48.980 Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.

02:00:51.200 And are you, you are familiar, I am with aging?

02:00:56.120 Yeah.

02:00:56.420 The whole aging thing?

02:00:57.720 That thing? 0.97

02:00:59.980 Ulysses Tepagan donated 200 dollars.

02:01:02.400 Yo, thank you, Pagan.

02:01:03.060 Audio?

02:01:03.140 He thinks the whole using woman a plural is intentional for whatever reason, which he

02:01:06.620 have no idea why.

02:01:07.840 Because he notices they don't ever confuse man a plural.

02:01:14.280 Interesting.

02:01:15.040 Hey, Pagan, thank you, man.

02:01:16.160 Appreciate the TCS there.

02:01:18.200 This is a good observation by Ulysses, good observation, saying for some reason women 1.00

02:01:24.020 can say men fine, but say woman for women all the time.

02:01:27.980 I don't understand that.

02:01:29.020 That's really weird to me.

02:01:31.580 Confusing.

02:01:32.220 It is very confusing.

02:01:33.400 It sounds similar.

02:01:35.000 Women and woman? 1.00

02:01:36.320 It doesn't sound that similar.

02:01:37.560 Women, woman. 1.00

02:01:38.520 I feel like it's easier to slip up with that, you know?

02:01:41.680 Maybe.

02:01:42.000 So, I'm a little confused, though.

02:01:44.540 You said you were a 10.

02:01:46.020 Yeah.

02:01:46.320 How can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?

02:01:51.100 Because I'll be an 11 in 10 years' time.

02:01:53.920 I don't know.

02:01:54.780 I don't know what's going to happen in 10 years. 0.50

02:01:55.680 Are you going to engage in good faith or just troll?

02:01:58.260 I'm not trolling.

02:01:59.440 I'm being for real.

02:02:00.580 Right.

02:02:00.940 But so, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the maximum, you can't be an 11.

02:02:06.340 So, that's not really productive.

02:02:08.640 We can't break the scale.

02:02:09.660 Uh, no.

02:02:12.600 Okay, fine.

02:02:13.340 Then I'm...

02:02:13.640 You can.

02:02:14.240 You can break the scale by saying that you will be the most beautiful woman on planet

02:02:18.840 Earth who exists currently.

02:02:20.800 That would be the 11.

02:02:22.600 Okay.

02:02:23.120 And that's a good faith answer?

02:02:25.060 Yeah, it is a good faith answer.

02:02:26.260 Okay.

02:02:26.440 I mean, this is what I think personally.

02:02:28.180 I'm a Martian.

02:02:30.180 Did you know that?

02:02:31.020 I come from the planet Mars.

02:02:31.640 Can I see your credentials?

02:02:32.480 No, you don't need my credentials.

02:02:34.000 It's a good faith answer.

02:02:35.560 I'm being for real.

02:02:36.640 You're being for real.

02:02:37.160 That at 36, you're going to be the most beautiful woman on planet Earth. 0.99

02:02:41.020 That's a good faith answer, Andrew.

02:02:43.320 Hey, even Beyonce don't look as good as how she used to in her 20s. 0.99

02:02:46.280 I mean, I think she looks great.

02:02:47.720 But I mean, again, beauty...

02:02:49.180 She didn't look like as good as she used to. 0.95

02:02:50.220 She was insane.

02:02:51.660 Adriana Lima, she was considered like the most beautiful person on Earth.

02:02:54.980 She has kids, stuff like that.

02:02:56.080 Like, you wrinkle, you age.

02:02:57.000 Angelina Jolie.

02:02:57.820 And there's beauty in that, don't get me wrong, but I went to that's your peak.

02:03:00.680 But not as good as when they were in your peak.

02:03:03.020 I don't know what my peak is going to be.

02:03:04.540 I haven't gotten that far.

02:03:06.680 But I do know that I'm attractive.

02:03:08.460 And I'll probably be attractive 10 years from now.

02:03:12.520 But that's not...

02:03:13.220 Okay, that's not the question.

02:03:14.340 Yeah.

02:03:14.780 I can just grant, like, sure, you'll still be attractive in 10 years' time.

02:03:18.900 I know what you're saying.

02:03:20.040 But I'm just saying, I mean, like, that's my answer.

02:03:22.080 I don't know why that's not good enough.

02:03:24.340 Well, because you say, well, I will still be attractive in 10 years' time.

02:03:28.060 But you understand that's not the question.

02:03:31.420 More attractive.

02:03:32.460 Yeah.

02:03:32.700 You said just as or more physically attractive.

02:03:36.380 I said, yeah, just as.

02:03:37.920 Okay.

02:03:38.580 But so, I mean, knowing what you know about aging, do people get wrinkles as they age?

02:03:47.000 Sure, they do, yeah.

02:03:47.720 Does this impact, if somebody is very wrinkly or what have you, their skin isn't as, whatever, youthful as it used to be, does this tend to make someone more attractive or less attractive?

02:04:00.200 I mean, I think.

02:04:04.000 Uh-oh.

02:04:04.760 You can try.

02:04:05.160 I don't know why that came in as a TTS. 0.99

02:04:08.060 She's a witch. 1.00

02:04:09.080 May we burn her. 1.00

02:04:10.300 Okay. 0.99

02:04:10.660 She might let you if you give her your life savings.

02:04:12.840 True.

02:04:13.200 Um, yeah, I mean, again, I think maturity.

02:04:18.000 Thank you, Steve.

02:04:19.080 Uh, some people are into that.

02:04:22.040 Um.

02:04:22.640 Okay.

02:04:23.200 So, that's my answer.

02:04:24.700 I'm going to stand on that.

02:04:26.580 Some people are.

02:04:28.520 Okay.

02:04:30.100 I'm struggling here a little bit.

02:04:32.260 So, if you think you'll be, when do you think the peak is?

02:04:36.520 46?

02:04:37.780 36?

02:04:38.580 56?

02:04:39.720 Mm, probably the peak will be, like, 30.

02:04:42.160 I mean, can we, like, not do, like, 10 years?

02:04:43.920 Like, 31.

02:04:45.580 30, flirty, and thriving.

02:04:47.380 Mm-hmm.

02:04:47.880 So, if I could wave a magic wand that only advanced your outward physical appearance, it didn't, you know, you wouldn't pass away five years earlier.

02:04:57.300 You wouldn't, if you were to get cancer at a certain age, you wouldn't otherwise get it five years sooner.

02:05:01.580 Just your outward physical, and you live to the, um, you know, you, you still live just as long.

02:05:07.020 If we could wave a wand, advance your physical appearance five years, six years, you would take it?

02:05:15.320 I mean, I'm enjoying the age that I'm at right now.

02:05:18.500 I'm not in any rest state.

02:05:19.940 It's just, it's just your outward physical appearance.

02:05:20.620 You would still be the same age.

02:05:23.080 Okay.

02:05:23.680 Sure.

02:05:24.340 Why not?

02:05:25.980 You would take it?

02:05:27.480 Yeah.

02:05:27.760 The crucible will pay for that surgery, an age surgery. 0.67

02:05:31.260 Noted.

02:05:32.080 Okay.

02:05:32.620 So, you would take that?

02:05:34.560 Sure.

02:05:35.140 I mean, it's only 10,000 bucks, and they can add all sorts of wrinkles and make you look way older.

02:05:39.220 Beautiful.

02:05:40.080 Then we can really, uh...

02:05:40.740 Would you actually do it?

02:05:41.440 Yeah.

02:05:42.580 Would you commit to doing that?

02:05:44.160 I don't think anyone's going to say that they're going to commit to doing that.

02:05:47.600 Because the answers weren't good faith, and you don't actually think that in...

02:05:53.440 Or two things can be true at the same time.

02:05:55.300 Well, let's start with the first truth statement, then.

02:05:58.120 Do you believe that you're going to be the same attractive level that you are right now in 10 years?

02:06:02.740 Sure.

02:06:03.100 Yeah, I do.

02:06:03.680 Okay.

02:06:03.700 If that is the case, you don't think you're going to be a smidgen more attractive?

02:06:08.920 I think there is a possibility.

02:06:10.520 I can't see the future.

02:06:11.520 I don't know what's going to happen.

02:06:12.080 Sure, you can't see the future.

02:06:13.280 You're just guessing right now, right?

02:06:14.800 Yeah.

02:06:15.260 Educate a guess.

02:06:15.940 If you're going to be just as attractive then as you are right now, what would even be the harm of you doing an age advancement surgery?

02:06:23.300 Because I don't want to go under the knife for no reason.

02:06:25.400 Well, but it has the potential to make you yet even more attractive.

02:06:31.100 I just said I could be just as attractive or I could be more.

02:06:35.880 We don't know.

02:06:36.440 So why would I take that gamble when I'm happy the way that I am?

02:06:39.500 But you did say that you would peak at 31.

02:06:43.400 Possibly.

02:06:44.000 I said possibly.

02:06:46.460 So now you don't think you'll peak at 30?

02:06:48.520 What did you say? 0.99

02:06:49.120 30 sassy and flirty or some shit? 1.00

02:06:51.120 30 flirty and thriving, actually. 1.00

02:06:53.140 30 flirty and thriving.

02:06:54.540 Again, I don't have a crystal ball I can't see into the future.

02:06:58.960 I do know that I have seen plenty of women that have just gotten more attractive as they age. 0.99

02:07:06.120 And there's plenty of women that I'm sure think that they are less attractive as they age. 1.00

02:07:10.340 Yeah.

02:07:10.540 Can you name one that you think, who's a famous one, who has gotten more attractive as she's aged?

02:07:16.020 God, I can't pull it out of my brain right now.

02:07:18.780 I mean, I'm on the spot.

02:07:20.280 Scarlett Johansson.

02:07:20.360 Scarlett Johansson has not gotten hotter as she aged.

02:07:22.360 You don't think?

02:07:23.020 I think she's pretty attractive right now. 1.00

02:07:24.820 Pretty attractive, but not hotter as she aged. 1.00

02:07:26.560 I cannot pull one out of my ass right now, but let me think about it for a little bit. 1.00

02:07:33.980 Okay. 1.00

02:07:37.040 Oh, up to me.

02:07:39.720 You'll have to repeat what the question was for the panel.

02:07:41.680 Do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years' time?

02:07:45.900 I think I will not be more attractive.

02:07:47.420 I think the peak is probably between ages 25 to 35, and then you start getting wrinkles and aging.

02:07:54.420 Okay.

02:07:55.240 Yeah.

02:07:55.400 Well, you guys are 18, so...

02:07:58.320 Well, I guess I could still ask it.

02:07:59.780 Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?

02:08:02.900 No.

02:08:04.020 Oh, okay.

02:08:04.460 28?

02:08:05.060 No.

02:08:05.580 No.

02:08:06.120 I think my standard for beauty will probably change, but I'll probably rank myself similarly.

02:08:12.320 So, better looking at 28?

02:08:14.820 I think, like, the same.

02:08:16.000 Same?

02:08:16.480 What about 38?

02:08:18.400 Probably less attractive than 28.

02:08:21.180 Okay.

02:08:21.760 What about you?

02:08:22.720 No, I don't think I'll be as attractive.

02:08:24.380 In 10 years' time?

02:08:25.320 I thought I looked great in my early 20s.

02:08:27.000 Like, I was damn near perfect, I thought.

02:08:28.680 And do you think...

02:08:29.300 Now?

02:08:30.500 And so you're 28.

02:08:32.120 You're 28.

02:08:32.720 Do you think you were better...

02:08:33.400 I'm 30.

02:08:34.560 Oh.

02:08:35.160 Wait.

02:08:35.460 Why did I put 28?

02:08:37.280 You're 30?

02:08:38.140 Yes.

02:08:38.440 Okay.

02:08:38.640 Do you think you're better looking at 20 than you are now at 30?

02:08:40.880 Oh, yeah.

02:08:41.480 Yeah.

02:08:41.760 Oh, yeah.

02:08:42.580 Oh, yeah.

02:08:42.600 My stomach?

02:08:43.500 Oh, my God.

02:08:44.020 Yeah.

02:08:45.540 Yeah.

02:08:47.480 All right.

02:08:48.060 Yeah.

02:08:48.640 There we go.

02:08:49.400 100%.

02:08:49.900 WK in the chat.

02:08:53.360 WK.

02:08:54.080 WK in the chat.

02:08:54.340 I'm not worried about age, though, just because of how my parents look.

02:08:56.920 But realistically, when I was in my early 20s, I was fire.

02:09:00.440 I was good.

02:09:01.460 Yeah.

02:09:01.940 I feel like 20 to 6 to 28 for me.

02:09:05.280 Yeah.

02:09:05.740 Because you lose, like, you have, like, at least for me, when I was in my young 20s,

02:09:09.500 like, college, I have, like, a round face.

02:09:11.420 Right.

02:09:12.120 And it starts to, like, thin out the older you get.

02:09:15.080 Oh.

02:09:15.580 I don't know.

02:09:16.480 I think it depends where you see yourself, too, like, in 10 years.

02:09:19.700 I mean, for me, I consider that, like, I would want to have kids by that age.

02:09:23.180 And I feel like physically-wise, it's probably less, like, your body changes a lot when you

02:09:27.840 have kids.

02:09:28.340 Oh, yeah.

02:09:28.620 Well, I mean, you got to think, like, 10 years of accrued sun damage, stress.

02:09:33.360 That just, even if you took perfect care of yourself, your diet was perfect, you reframed

02:09:40.400 from, like, staying out in the sun too long, healthy lifestyle, zero stress.

02:09:46.300 You were just getting, like, you had servants that were fanning you with, like, a palm tree 0.99

02:09:51.520 branch, and they were feeding you grapes and shit. 0.96

02:09:54.900 You're still just naturally through the aging process, wrinkles, et cetera. 0.99

02:09:59.000 And then most people don't go through 10 years without no stress whatsoever.

02:10:03.980 Stress does tend to age you a bit, too.

02:10:06.040 I also wanted to check into this a little more, because since we've been over this, I

02:10:11.680 don't know how many times, but how many different women have very similar answers. 1.00

02:10:15.000 So I went, and I went back and looked at legends, folk legends about the fountain of youth, right?

02:10:21.660 And I found hundreds, hundreds of legends about a fountain where you go in, or something

02:10:26.380 similar to this, where it reverses the aging process.

02:10:29.980 Couldn't find any about a fountain of age, or people seeking to age their bodies.

02:10:35.680 Could basically find almost no folklore on that.

02:10:38.340 A couple of stories, but usually it was, like, evil and nefarious, right?

02:10:42.240 That was the idea behind it.

02:10:45.260 Why would you guys think that would be, that people would always be seeking to reverse

02:10:48.480 the aging process, but they're never seeking to accelerate it?

02:10:52.140 Why do you think that would be?

02:10:55.720 Youth is beauty.

02:10:56.800 I think it's pretty similar.

02:10:58.100 Why else do women get Botox? 1.00

02:11:00.240 They know that youth is beauty.

02:11:02.080 That's just what it is.

02:11:03.000 Tighter skin, no wrinkles.

02:11:04.460 We all know this.

02:11:05.120 And the association, then, for why men would be attracted to younger women is because they're

02:11:08.600 beautiful, right?

02:11:09.740 Right.

02:11:10.040 I don't think I'm ugly.

02:11:10.900 But, I mean, that's why, right?

02:11:13.980 The general kind of idea that men are attracted to younger women is because they have beauty,

02:11:20.700 and that's what they're after.

02:11:22.060 Also, I mean, on top of that, if you look at products, they tend to attempt to repair

02:11:29.880 skin damage that is accrued as you age.

02:11:33.960 There is no cream out there for women that will give you wrinkles. 1.00

02:11:38.160 There's anti-wrinkle creams.

02:11:40.740 So, it's like, well, you wrinkle as you get older, but you're trying to fight against

02:11:45.740 the wrinkles.

02:11:48.380 So, you know what I mean?

02:11:49.940 You know what I mean?

02:11:51.220 Anyways, we have a couple chats here.

02:11:53.060 Robert Tanner.

02:11:55.380 Oh, is it not?

02:11:56.320 Hold on.

02:11:56.580 Let me see what's going on here.

02:11:57.880 I don't know why it's not coming up.

02:12:01.500 One sec.

02:12:03.320 That's peculiar.

02:12:05.260 Oh, I know why.

02:12:06.260 I apologize, guys.

02:12:07.100 This got turned off.

02:12:08.680 Not sure why that happened.

02:12:10.580 Okay.

02:12:10.960 One moment, guys.

02:12:11.720 Let me get these out.

02:12:14.160 All right.

02:12:14.680 We have Robert Tanner.

02:12:15.760 Hey, like the channel.

02:12:16.420 Been supporting for a bit.

02:12:17.500 Honestly, let me know how I can best support.

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02:12:38.220 That's super helpful, watching the videos.

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02:12:46.120 But, yeah, honestly, liking the video, watching the video, et cetera.

02:12:49.380 Appreciate it, guys.

02:12:50.300 We have SS here.

02:12:52.380 Hey, thank you, man.

02:12:53.180 Rate Maddie and the Rubber Doll.

02:12:55.000 Don't have a nicer way of saying this.

02:12:57.320 Redhead, you are barely three, so STF you, please. 1.00

02:12:59.880 You're giving me psycho vibes. 0.82

02:13:02.100 Do you want to respond to that?

02:13:03.180 I'm not a psycho, and I want to see what you look like. 1.00

02:13:06.760 Damn. 0.99

02:13:07.680 Shots. 1.00

02:13:08.900 Fired.

02:13:09.300 Shots fired.

02:13:09.920 Shots fired.

02:13:10.980 Okay.

02:13:12.120 They're not – I don't know why they're only showing up for a very short

02:13:17.460 period of time.

02:13:19.460 Let me see if I can fix that, guys.

02:13:23.880 Hold on.

02:13:26.840 That's peculiar, but okay.

02:13:30.420 And then we have – I'm going to pull up the Super Nick.

02:13:33.920 Billium of the Mars, Delusional Ginger, the only scale you're going to break 0.99

02:13:36.560 is – wait, damn, bro. 0.99

02:13:37.600 Please eat a salad and run on the treadmill for once. 0.99

02:13:41.800 I do go to the gym, and I do eat fairly healthy, but you have PCOS, or you did.

02:13:48.080 I don't know if you reversed it.

02:13:48.940 Yeah, I do.

02:13:49.100 I have PCOS, so there's that.

02:13:52.060 But I think I look great.

02:13:53.800 All right, Billium, the Mars, thank you for the super chat, I guess.

02:14:00.680 I did want to come back to some of your stuff.

02:14:04.280 Lucia, did I say it right, the song?

02:14:06.080 Lucia.

02:14:06.840 Lucia.

02:14:07.480 I don't know.

02:14:08.120 You had some tweets that I thought were interesting, and we're going to pull those up.

02:14:14.340 Actually, Nick, before we do really quick, let me just do a quick little check, double-checky.

02:14:24.260 Can you just double-check them all really quick, make sure they're all okay?

02:14:29.480 Guys, if you want, get a TTS in, get a read in.

02:14:33.320 Be sure to get those in, guys, if you want.

02:14:36.260 And are they all good, Nick?

02:14:40.000 Yes.

02:14:41.080 All right, we've got some tweets.

02:14:42.360 We've got some tweets we have to react to.

02:14:44.160 These are interesting, for sure.

02:14:48.820 Okay.

02:14:51.960 Can I have you read them? 1.00

02:14:53.420 Yeah, I'm in a shitty mood, and I want to take it out on a stupid man. 1.00

02:14:56.780 I'm in the mood to cause permanent damage to your bank account and your balls. 1.00

02:15:02.460 What? 1.00

02:15:06.580 Permanent damage to the bank account.

02:15:09.360 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:09.900 And balls. 0.98

02:15:10.620 And balls. 0.99

02:15:11.120 Yeah, I'll leave that one out. 0.99

02:15:12.320 I actually had a dude give me a fair amount of money to make a custom clip talking about 0.99

02:15:18.840 how I wanted to make him infertile and render his balls useless. 0.99

02:15:22.700 So, again... 1.00

02:15:25.520 Are you a feminist? 1.00

02:15:26.380 Just curious.

02:15:27.440 I wouldn't market myself as a feminist, no. 0.98

02:15:30.740 I mean, I believe in, like, rights for women, sure, but, like, would I call myself a feminist?

02:15:36.120 No.

02:15:36.440 All right.

02:15:37.720 Well, we can get into that a bit later.

02:15:39.280 We'll get through all the tweets, and then we can...

02:15:42.120 Can I just have you read them?

02:15:47.800 Yep.

02:15:48.660 I love going to the pool at my apartment because heads always turn when I walk in.

02:15:53.300 Yes, I'm a beautiful, red-headed goddess.

02:15:55.440 And what of it?

02:15:56.420 Stop the cap! 0.99

02:15:57.340 Okay.

02:16:02.240 They turn the other way.

02:16:06.160 That's very funny.

02:16:07.180 I'm a goddess.

02:16:08.640 I am a goddess.

02:16:10.100 Thanks for repeating it.

02:16:11.980 This is hilarious.

02:16:13.120 I want to hear...

02:16:13.600 I want to see more.

02:16:14.420 Okay.

02:16:16.480 Go ahead.

02:16:18.500 Men were created to provide. 1.00

02:16:20.360 That's literally it.

02:16:21.320 Doesn't matter if you consider yourself a fin sub or not.

02:16:24.040 I stand by that.

02:16:24.880 And that's all men are good for is... 0.88

02:16:27.560 Providing.

02:16:28.240 In your view, is to provide.

02:16:30.560 It may make me laugh every now and then, but I think I'm funnier, so...

02:16:34.500 Men do a lot.

02:16:35.700 Yeah.

02:16:36.160 Men created this table, them chairs.

02:16:38.420 They fight in the wars for us.

02:16:40.120 Women do that, too. 1.00

02:16:41.400 Who?

02:16:41.980 What women do you... 1.00

02:16:43.000 You really think women are on the front lines? 1.00

02:16:45.040 Like, really?

02:16:45.620 Erroneous.

02:16:46.340 I don't know.

02:16:47.400 I'm not in the military.

02:16:48.600 You don't want to be, either. 0.96

02:16:48.620 I honestly think if a man were to get shot in the front lines, a woman would be able to pick 1.00

02:16:51.580 up his body and take him to safety.

02:16:52.920 No, I don't.

02:16:53.860 I'm just saying that you're, like, kind of erasing the fact that there are women that

02:16:57.260 do stuff like that.

02:16:57.280 No, I never said that.

02:16:58.460 I never said that there aren't women, but honestly, do you ever see a woman, construction 1.00

02:17:01.680 worker, a woman on the skyscraper building cleaning the windows? 0.75

02:17:05.140 Do you ever see a woman getting to the car? 1.00

02:17:06.980 Do you ever see a woman out on the streets working on the pavement? 1.00

02:17:09.800 I don't know that all of us are fair.

02:17:10.900 My mom's a woodworker.

02:17:12.640 Like, you're...

02:17:13.040 How often do you see that, though?

02:17:15.120 I think you see it more and more.

02:17:16.540 But especially now.

02:17:17.540 I agree, generally, with what you're saying.

02:17:19.120 Women choose to be in different, like, easier job titles. 1.00

02:17:22.560 Teachers.

02:17:23.440 I'm not saying being a nurse is easy, but...

02:17:24.960 Teaching is not easy.

02:17:26.400 Yeah, teaching is very hard.

02:17:27.340 Teaching is not.

02:17:28.100 It's a very safe, easy job.

02:17:29.960 Men have to... 0.65

02:17:30.820 Men don't really have a choice. 0.69

02:17:32.000 They have to do these hard jobs, because who else is going to do it?

02:17:34.400 We're not going to actually choose to be an electrician.

02:17:36.760 We're just not.

02:17:38.360 We're just not.

02:17:39.140 I don't know.

02:17:39.800 If you had to choose between being an electrician or being an at-home wife, you're going to 1.00

02:17:44.120 be an at-home wife and get taken care of. 1.00

02:17:46.120 We all know this.

02:17:47.000 I think it's also a lot of how, like, men and women are raised.

02:17:49.300 Yeah.

02:17:49.540 Like, men are taught from a young age how to fix things and stuff like that, whereas, like,

02:17:52.180 maybe some girls are, too. 1.00

02:17:53.180 I mean, my dad taught me how to fix a lot of things.

02:17:55.100 It doesn't stop us, though.

02:17:56.020 We can still definitely do it, but we're not going to choose to do it.

02:17:58.840 It's also not instilled in us from a young age.

02:18:00.620 Like, it is for men, so it comes more naturally to them, I would say.

02:18:03.460 Well, I don't think you should generalize that.

02:18:05.440 Like, maybe you don't.

02:18:06.540 And I personally don't want to do those jobs.

02:18:08.300 I'm not going to lie, but there are women that do fix cars, that do woodwork, that do 1.00

02:18:15.120 build stuff, that do fight in the military.

02:18:17.920 So, I mean, come on.

02:18:19.180 When it comes to harder jobs, men do that. 0.99

02:18:21.060 Would you, like, honestly, if I were to choose between a man or a woman to babysit my child,

02:18:24.680 I would choose a woman.

02:18:25.460 We just have, like, there's certain things I would trust women to do better than men.

02:18:28.300 Well, sure.

02:18:28.800 And men better to do than women. 1.00

02:18:29.920 Hey, Nick, can you go into the infographics tab?

02:18:34.060 It's just called Dangerous Jobs 1.

02:18:36.480 Go ahead.

02:18:37.400 Okay, continue.

02:18:38.660 Oh, no.

02:18:38.940 I was just going to say that when it comes to, like, certain job titles, I mean, we would

02:18:42.340 trust women to do certain things versus men. 0.98

02:18:44.540 I mean, I would trust a man to save me if someone were to break into my house.

02:18:47.860 I mean, I know how to shoot a gun, but I'd rather a man try to jump in front of the bullet 0.91

02:18:51.060 besides myself.

02:18:52.300 I mean.

02:18:53.120 I agree with that, but also, who do you think is breaking into your house, a man or a woman?

02:18:58.160 A man, but who else are we going to need to, like, get rid of that guy? 0.97

02:19:01.560 Like, I mean, not everyone, I just think it's pretty stupid to just assume, to just think 0.97

02:19:07.520 that men and women are on the same level.

02:19:08.820 We're just not, we're not equal.

02:19:09.980 I never said that, though.

02:19:11.360 I never said that they were on the same level.

02:19:14.220 I just said that it is capable that women can do this stuff. 1.00

02:19:17.660 It is, but, I mean, you wouldn't, you'd prefer a man to protect you.

02:19:24.460 Realistically, we all would.

02:19:25.560 A man would rather prefer a man to protect them.

02:19:28.700 I mean, it is what it is.

02:19:30.880 Sorry.

02:19:32.500 I mean, that's your take on it.

02:19:34.720 I mean, isn't it?

02:19:35.480 Did you have it?

02:19:36.240 Isn't it your take, too, honestly?

02:19:38.200 Because you, aren't you just going to point you to outliers?

02:19:39.960 All right, so.

02:19:41.220 Because there's outliers, there's exceptions to the rule.

02:19:44.180 It doesn't mean that there's no rule.

02:19:44.840 Yo, Robert Tanner thinks you have a gift of 50 memberships.

02:19:47.220 Nick, go ahead.

02:19:47.740 Pull it up.

02:19:48.260 Thank you, Robert Tanner.

02:19:49.560 I mean, these are the top 20 most dangerous U.S. occupations.

02:19:53.540 So, if you look at the far right, the percentage mail, logging workers, fishing workers, aircraft pilots, roofers, refuse collectors, truck drivers, iron and steel workers, farmers and ranchers, agricultural workers, recyclable material workers, mining, landscaping, construction workers, cement and concrete manufacturing, electrical, power line workers,

02:20:16.860 police, police, maintenance and repair workers, tax drivers, tax drivers, tax drivers, chauffeurs, support activities for mining, mining.

02:20:22.860 Now, let's get into that even more.

02:20:23.860 Now, let's get into that even more, even.

02:20:27.520 So, if you bring that back up real quick, Nick.

02:20:30.520 If you look at taxi drivers and chauffeurs, you'll note that in comparison to most of that chart, there's actually quite a few more women than you would think. 1.00

02:20:42.200 But why would that be?

02:20:44.700 If you had to guess why women would enter into that occupation to the point where it would drop it from the 95 percentile down to 85 percent, why do you think that would be?

02:20:54.420 Just for that particular career?

02:20:55.840 I don't have a guess for that.

02:20:58.840 I don't know.

02:20:59.720 Do you think maybe it's because driving is really fucking easy and the entry, the barrier to entry is really low to just drive?

02:21:07.080 I mean, I think there's more to it than driving. 0.90

02:21:10.200 Well, let's see.

02:21:10.760 Let's look at the rest of the chart.

02:21:12.740 If you were to go over, for instance, to roofing, you see how that's 98.3 percent and fishing workers, 99.9 percent.

02:21:19.400 Do you say that those have a massive barrier to entry based on physical qualities, characteristics, and knowledge versus driving a taxi?

02:21:27.760 I mean, sure.

02:21:28.620 It's a different profession.

02:21:29.820 Right.

02:21:30.120 So, the thing is, is that even in these professions where you see that men are not in this 90th percentile, you see the barrier for entry physically would be far, far, far less, and that's why.

02:21:42.440 So, that's why these distinctions, when you point out outliers of women, can sometimes do X. 1.00

02:21:46.480 Nobody disagrees that women can sometimes do X.

02:21:49.740 But most women cannot do X. 1.00

02:21:51.600 And also because we have children.

02:21:53.400 I mean, a lot of the times, who else is going to bring, like, we have kids that we have to take care of.

02:21:57.700 We're not going to be able to go mining or do any of the stuff the guys are doing.

02:22:01.540 Yeah, that's fair.

02:22:01.780 Because they have to get out and do it.

02:22:03.200 We have to take care of the kids.

02:22:04.960 But didn't I just say that men are providers, so they should be doing these jobs? 1.00

02:22:08.800 Like, it shouldn't, like, I mean, if a woman wants to, by all means, go for it. 1.00

02:22:12.240 Then she can.

02:22:13.100 But I'm just saying, men are providers, so go do that job. 0.93

02:22:16.600 Go learn a trade.

02:22:17.640 Go do something, you know?

02:22:19.080 Well, you said that that's all they're good for.

02:22:22.140 Yeah.

02:22:23.740 And what are you good for?

02:22:25.300 A lot of things.

02:22:26.340 Like?

02:22:27.200 I'm funny.

02:22:28.320 I'm smart.

02:22:29.080 You haven't demonstrated that yet.

02:22:30.140 I'm a, okay, well, that's your opinion.

02:22:31.760 Neither of those qualities of them.

02:22:33.180 I'm a musician.

02:22:33.860 I dance.

02:22:36.460 You dance?

02:22:37.460 Yeah, the list goes on and on.

02:22:39.140 What a great quality.

02:22:39.940 You can dance.

02:22:40.940 What do you bring to the table, though?

02:22:42.620 What do I bring to the table?

02:22:43.820 I'm smart.

02:22:44.800 I'm funny.

02:22:45.960 I'm attractive.

02:22:47.360 I have talents.

02:22:48.860 What talent?

02:22:49.360 I just said, I'm a musician.

02:22:52.620 I dance.

02:22:53.000 What kind of music do you play?

02:22:54.220 I play a lot of different music.

02:22:55.900 I play my guitar, so I play, like, all rock.

02:22:59.100 There's a guitar here.

02:23:00.000 Can you play a tune and show us how talented you are?

02:23:02.760 I don't want to do that.

02:23:03.820 Don't want to?

02:23:04.920 I mean, I could.

02:23:05.500 But you're an amazing goddess, talented goddess.

02:23:07.560 I am talented, but I also don't really want to, like, serenade a bunch of people that

02:23:11.600 didn't ask to be serenaded. 0.95

02:23:12.480 I don't know if men are so useless that their only job is to be providing for you. 0.99

02:23:17.500 It sounds like you're just a typified eater. 0.99

02:23:19.480 Like, I don't know what you're really bringing to the table.

02:23:21.800 You're just kind of consuming resources, right?

02:23:25.300 But what does that even mean?

02:23:26.840 Can you at least cook?

02:23:27.700 Yeah, I can cook, actually.

02:23:28.880 I'm a really great cook.

02:23:29.400 It means I don't know what you're doing to help assist with the building of society.

02:23:34.840 The answer that I could be domesticated and I can cook and clean and do all that, I

02:23:40.300 can.

02:23:41.000 I can.

02:23:41.960 No, that's not what I'm asking.

02:23:43.280 What I'm asking is what value are you bringing to society?

02:23:46.000 To society.

02:23:47.160 Like, nurses do. 1.00

02:23:48.420 I mean.

02:23:49.340 By being me, I don't know.

02:23:50.400 By being you.

02:23:51.640 I'm enough.

02:23:52.720 I am enough.

02:23:54.180 Okay.

02:23:58.200 Let's do the rest of the tweets.

02:24:00.860 How many are we doing?

02:24:02.620 Oh, just a few.

02:24:03.440 Let's do them all.

02:24:04.100 Yeah, let's do all.

02:24:05.200 Let's put this bigger.

02:24:07.300 Can you read it? 0.97

02:24:08.600 Life is always better when you have a male punching bag to abuse whenever you need it. 0.99

02:24:13.200 And you're referencing these mentally ill men that you take advantage of. 1.00

02:24:16.380 Mentally ill. 0.96

02:24:16.520 These are recent.

02:24:17.760 These are recent.

02:24:18.540 These are so recent.

02:24:20.260 That was a few days ago.

02:24:21.880 Yeah.

02:24:24.560 Go on.

02:24:25.080 Pull that one up again.

02:24:26.280 One more time, Nick.

02:24:27.280 Is this like about men?

02:24:28.300 Also, you got to fix it.

02:24:29.160 I mean, you have to understand this is an account that's based on kink.

02:24:33.100 Like, BDSM.

02:24:34.100 So, I mean.

02:24:34.840 But do you actually mean it?

02:24:36.040 Is this like networking purposes?

02:24:37.780 Yeah, exactly.

02:24:38.320 Is it networking?

02:24:38.720 Does this just work or do you actually really think that?

02:24:40.200 Yeah.

02:24:40.500 I mean, I can't really answer that.

02:24:42.660 Like, sure.

02:24:43.840 Sometimes I say stuff that might have a little bit of truth behind it.

02:24:48.840 But also, I mean, this is a job for me, too.

02:24:51.660 So, you're playing into the kink a little bit. 0.88

02:24:55.360 So, is that the character you're playing or is that you?

02:24:58.000 I mean, I don't really think I play a character.

02:25:00.400 I am me.

02:25:01.480 And I'm.

02:25:01.880 Then that's you.

02:25:02.680 Sure.

02:25:03.240 Okay.

02:25:04.020 Pull that same one up again real quick. 0.99

02:25:05.800 Male punching bag to abuse. 0.98

02:25:10.860 So, when you say to abuse, how do you abuse your male punching bags? 1.00

02:25:15.160 I punch them. 0.99

02:25:16.800 Oh, like physically? 0.98

02:25:18.000 I mean, I have. 0.99

02:25:18.700 I've like kicked a guy in the balls and he's enjoyed it. 0.98

02:25:21.180 So, yeah. 0.99

02:25:21.620 Wow.

02:25:21.740 Wow.

02:25:23.680 Okay.

02:25:29.080 Okay.

02:25:29.580 We'll get through all of them and then I'll give my.

02:25:31.680 Okay.

02:25:32.020 Go ahead.

02:25:34.960 It's always the fugliest normie man that assumes I'm a witch and that I'd ever waste my energy doing a spell on him.

02:25:41.820 Pack it up, Miss Delusional.

02:25:43.360 Go take a hard look in the mirror.

02:25:45.880 Fugliest normie man.

02:25:47.940 Interesting. 0.97

02:25:48.600 Okay.

02:25:49.600 Are men concerned you're doing spells?

02:25:52.240 I've gotten a comment before.

02:25:54.460 Do you do spells?

02:25:56.560 I can neither confirm nor deny.

02:25:59.140 And that's just being real.

02:26:00.780 I don't.

02:26:01.060 Like, I think, like, spells, like, I mean, anyone can do a spell without outwardly saying they're doing a spell.

02:26:08.880 Yeah, what kind of.

02:26:09.540 Like, so what would, if you're casting a spell, what would be a spell that you would cast? 0.98

02:26:14.260 When God damn love you. 0.94

02:26:16.120 I mean, like, abundance. 0.99

02:26:17.400 What?

02:26:17.560 An abundance spell.

02:26:23.020 Like, I have an altar.

02:26:24.380 I sit in front of my altar.

02:26:25.720 I light candles.

02:26:27.520 I kind of meditate and manifest abundance.

02:26:31.060 Sure.

02:26:31.400 You could call that a spell.

02:26:32.300 But, I mean, do you ever cast a negative spell?

02:26:35.120 No, I don't believe in casting.

02:26:36.900 A dark spell or something?

02:26:38.100 Well, wouldn't all spells be a negative?

02:26:39.840 No.

02:26:40.580 Well, you say you cast a spell of abundance, right?

02:26:43.440 Yeah.

02:26:43.760 Okay, so let us assume that you cast a spell for more money.

02:26:46.600 How could you ever receive more money without somehow interfering with the will of other people who ordinarily would not produce whatever the situation would be necessary for you to get that money?

02:26:59.680 What do you mean by that?

02:27:00.520 Well, so, like, let's, for instance, pretend that you're in front of your altar and you cast a spell for a bike.

02:27:05.200 Well, unless you believe that the clouds are just going to open up and drop a bike, I assume that you think a bike will come to you through some other mechanism.

02:27:13.820 Somebody still had to build it.

02:27:15.140 They still had to do X, Y, and Z.

02:27:17.160 So, if somehow this bike gets to you and it ordinarily would not have gotten to you absent this spell, how would you not be affecting other people's wills?

02:27:24.780 I mean, I'm not affecting other people's wills because it's just a means for me to get closer to what I want.

02:27:30.880 Like, how is that affecting someone else's will?

02:27:33.180 Well, I just explained it to you.

02:27:34.500 So, let us assume for a second you wanted a glass of water that you would not ordinarily get.

02:27:39.200 This is why you cast a spell.

02:27:41.020 Your neighbor comes over and he gives you a glass of water, right?

02:27:44.420 He ordinarily would not have given you the glass of water absent the spell or you wouldn't need the spell.

02:27:49.400 Didn't you affect your neighbor's will?

02:27:51.100 I mean, maybe he just wanted to give me a glass of water.

02:27:53.620 I don't know.

02:27:54.360 Well, then why would you need the spell?

02:27:56.600 Because it's just a spiritual practice.

02:27:59.800 So, it doesn't work?

02:28:01.680 How do you know, though, that...

02:28:03.040 If it does work.

02:28:03.620 If it does work, then I don't see how you get around the fact that you are affecting people's will.

02:28:08.540 I don't know how manifesting abundance for myself, which is very vague, honestly, would interfere with someone else's will.

02:28:16.540 Because I don't know how you would get the abundance, right, in any other way than affecting people's will.

02:28:22.600 Or I don't see why you would need the spell to begin with.

02:28:25.240 This is the big downfall and pitfall of the logic of magic.

02:28:29.300 It's why out of all religious practices it makes the least amount of sense.

02:28:33.600 Because magicians and witches always say that they practice white magic, the magic of abundance or growing or nurturing.

02:28:42.680 But I don't see how you actually could do that without affecting the will of the things that are around you.

02:28:46.740 I don't even see how that's possible.

02:28:47.800 How do you know that it's not the will of those things to be affected, though?

02:28:53.020 You know what I mean?

02:28:54.120 But here's the thing.

02:28:55.460 If it's the will of those things to be affected, why do you need the spell?

02:28:59.580 It's not that I need it.

02:29:01.060 It's that I choose...

02:29:01.840 No, no, no.

02:29:02.240 Hang on.

02:29:02.560 No, I mean, like, it was the will...

02:29:07.160 I don't even know if I can make this make sense, but it makes sense in my head.

02:29:11.200 No, I see what you're saying.

02:29:12.060 It was the will that she was going to do the spell to then impact the will.

02:29:17.640 Does that track?

02:29:18.000 So it's still impacting, but it's still impacting the will.

02:29:21.180 Yeah, but it was, like, always supposed to.

02:29:25.220 Then why would you need the spell?

02:29:27.420 Yeah.

02:29:27.840 You wouldn't need the spell.

02:29:28.660 You wouldn't need the spell.

02:29:29.400 So you always go back to ground zero.

02:29:33.500 How do you translate this to, like, prayer?

02:29:36.520 Prayer, you're asking God for something in his will, not trying to change the will of someone else.

02:29:41.200 But I never said I was trying to change the will of someone else.

02:29:42.400 So when you're praying to God, the assumption is God is omnipotent.

02:29:46.840 So when you're praying, you're only asking to execute the will of God, never the will of you.

02:29:51.860 Never the will of anybody other than the being of God itself.

02:29:56.300 Witchcraft's the opposite.

02:29:57.740 Witchcraft is asking universe. 1.00

02:29:59.400 Whatever the hell they are praying.

02:30:02.520 Sometimes it's the idea of this universal constant, which then delivers the thing unto you that you want.

02:30:09.340 Sometimes it's called the law of attraction.

02:30:11.240 Sometimes it's called other things.

02:30:13.400 But that's basically what it's doing.

02:30:15.360 I have never been able to rationally figure out how that could be possible without affecting the will of other people.

02:30:21.040 And then how do you think, like, meditation plays into that?

02:30:26.040 Because, well, I guess, are we talking about impacting the will of ourselves or others?

02:30:30.820 This is getting slightly confusing.

02:30:32.060 Well, she was asking for abundance, so that would be the will of others.

02:30:34.700 Or how would that be the will of others?

02:30:36.240 Are you asking abundance for yourself?

02:30:37.580 Oh, yes, abundance for myself.

02:30:38.820 That could be literally giving me the strength to go another level and do something for myself.

02:30:43.460 Like, I never said I was going to affect the will of others.

02:30:46.220 You're putting words in my mouth.

02:30:47.680 Well, no, I don't see how you would receive abundance, though.

02:30:51.240 But I said specifically externally, ever, externally, unless you were affecting the will of other people.

02:30:58.080 I just don't see how that's possible.

02:30:59.400 So, well, maybe you just have a small new brain.

02:31:02.120 I don't know.

02:31:02.340 If you just say, well, I light a candle so that I get up and I'm motivated to go to the gym the next day, right?

02:31:08.480 Fine, I guess, but I don't even know why that would require a spell, exactly.

02:31:12.260 The idea of spelling is old, right?

02:31:14.900 I mean, it's a spiritual practice.

02:31:16.980 Everyone ages in their own spiritual practices.

02:31:19.240 Wouldn't it you call more it manifesting, then, than a spell?

02:31:22.060 Yeah, what do you manifest?

02:31:23.000 I mean, yeah.

02:31:24.680 You could call it manifesting.

02:31:25.960 There's multiple words for it.

02:31:27.560 What's another word for it?

02:31:29.400 It's spelling, spells.

02:31:30.980 Yeah, so the spell is designed to manifest?

02:31:34.540 Sure.

02:31:35.300 Well, then if you're manifesting, then I just don't see how you would manifest X thing, external, dominating, external will.

02:31:44.440 I just don't understand how that can be done.

02:31:46.200 Well, we can agree to disagree.

02:31:47.840 Yeah, but no, we can't agree to disagree.

02:31:51.240 I actually just need you to agree to agree or give me an argument for how I'm wrong.

02:31:56.240 I literally just gave you an argument.

02:31:57.900 What is the argument?

02:31:58.480 I told you that I'm not affecting the will of others.

02:32:01.640 I'm affecting my own will.

02:32:04.260 Does that make sense?

02:32:04.820 So you only do spells and say specifically that this spell is for personal motivation, to do X thing and make it happen.

02:32:12.800 Personal abundance.

02:32:13.440 Only if it comes from you.

02:32:15.020 Wouldn't that just be self-disciplined, then?

02:32:17.700 You can call it whatever you want.

02:32:19.160 I mean, I don't know why it's such a big deal, to be honest.

02:32:24.000 Well, I only would think it was a big deal if a person ordinarily would not think that it was okay to affect the will against other people's will.

02:32:32.660 Didn't I just say in that tweet, though, that I wouldn't waste my time even trying to affect the will of him or said person, whoever I was talking about?

02:32:40.400 Yeah, but that might be a different way that you view that situation than you do magic or witchcraft.

02:32:46.880 Sure.

02:32:47.260 So, yeah, I'm just, I'm untangling the ideas.

02:32:51.220 So, no, it's not, it's not actually, though, an argument to say, well, no, I only do it as a manifestation of things which will come from me.

02:32:59.680 Unless you're telling me you only make spells and craft them and pray to whatever the thing is that you're praying to for self-motivation to actualize things from your own personal perspective, which I doubt.

02:33:11.920 I mean, again, it's meditation, it's just sitting there, focusing my thoughts, pinpointing what I want to work on, manifesting, like you said.

02:33:24.680 Do you ever manifest stuff you want?

02:33:27.480 I mean, sure.

02:33:28.560 Well, how do you manifest stuff you want without affecting external wills?

02:33:32.940 I don't care if I'm affecting external wills.

02:33:34.340 There we go.

02:33:35.100 I don't care.

02:33:36.300 That's what I was looking for. 0.99

02:33:37.380 I don't give a shit if you have a will, which ordinarily would not be affected by me, that I affect to get the shit I want. 0.99

02:33:46.080 But I'm not a psychopath. 0.99

02:33:47.720 I'm not a sociopath.

02:33:49.600 Like, what if we were to take this on, like, a positive note, though?

02:33:52.740 Because, like, when people meditate, oftentimes it's with good intentions to impact others and to impact their will.

02:33:59.340 You know what I mean?

02:34:00.480 So, what she's talking about is different than meditation, though.

02:34:05.080 But hang on, but I want to engage directly with what you're saying, because you're making a good point, right?

02:34:10.740 What if the will I have is positive on somebody else?

02:34:13.160 So, let me give you a demonstration of how I think that you wouldn't really believe this, okay?

02:34:18.140 So, if you were to, let's say, do something horrible to your partner from their perspective, but from your perspective, it was, you're only doing this thing as a way to be positive.

02:34:30.880 It's helping them in some way.

02:34:32.960 But from their perspective, it was awful, right?

02:34:36.140 An example of this might be something as simple as, I don't know, slipping their medication into, you know, into their drink at night so that they were taking their medication, let's say.

02:34:46.980 I think I'm coming from a more...

02:34:48.740 Yeah, but hang on.

02:34:49.360 Okay.

02:34:49.480 To engage with this directly, I would like to know, isn't it also true that if somebody doesn't want their will affected, and you affect it even if your intention is positive, that you would still think that that was kind of fucked up or wrong in some way?

02:35:03.040 Well, I suppose what I'm, maybe, because what I'm thinking more is, like, if you take it from a perspective, if you're looking from, like, a spiritual perspective and meditating, like, I wouldn't, I'm not talking about slipping a pill in anyone's drink to help them out.

02:35:21.140 I'm thinking about, like...

02:35:21.900 No, I'm just giving you an example of how you can have a positive intention.

02:35:25.460 Right.

02:35:25.800 But your positive intention, if you are affecting the will of somebody else, right, from, even from your perspective, I think you wouldn't think that was okay.

02:35:35.720 Sure, yeah.

02:35:38.420 Yeah.

02:35:40.280 I'm just thinking more about spiritual practice with meditation and, like, but I don't, we don't really need to get into a whole, like, religious, spiritual thing.

02:35:48.700 Yeah, I mean, that's fine.

02:35:49.700 We can move it on from there.

02:35:50.700 Yeah.

02:35:51.500 We got more tweets. 0.96

02:35:53.900 I love hurting men.

02:35:55.800 Or, sorry, you should say it in your own words. 0.98

02:35:57.720 I love hurting men.

02:35:59.440 Heart.

02:36:00.700 Now, does this, does this extend beyond the finndom?

02:36:04.240 Like, in a general sense, do you love hurting men?

02:36:06.480 No.

02:36:06.960 I mean, if I'm, if I have a partner, I would never want to hurt him.

02:36:09.900 No, what about, it's not a partner, just eight men in general.

02:36:14.080 I mean, if they're not getting into the kink, then no, I don't really, like, I don't sit here and I'm like, hmm, I just want to hurt someone today. 0.99

02:36:21.660 Like, again, this is kink-based. 0.90

02:36:24.080 But didn't you say that you enjoy it?

02:36:27.340 Like, you find it funny?

02:36:28.340 Yeah.

02:36:28.580 I do find it funny, but they're, they're giving into the kink. 0.98

02:36:32.980 I mean, this, this, but the tweet itself doesn't say any, anything about, like, here's an asterisk, disclaimer, this is specifically about a kink.

02:36:47.300 Like, your tweet lives on its own.

02:36:49.640 Yeah.

02:36:50.240 Yeah.

02:36:50.980 It does.

02:36:51.740 And I mean, anyone that's looking at my account usually is within the community, so they would have an understanding of that.

02:36:57.560 It's a public Twitter profile.

02:36:58.580 Anybody could stumble upon your, your thing.

02:37:01.020 I mean, even in your profile, there's no such asterisk or disclaimer that says, by the way, these are satirical or this is only within the context of this kink.

02:37:13.840 Like, and even if, I mean, so you're not really disclaiming a way that you are talking about just all men in general.

02:37:23.060 Because I don't have to disclaim.

02:37:24.320 If you want to look at that tweet and get offended, that is on your own volition.

02:37:28.280 You know what I mean?

02:37:28.800 Like, I'm not sitting here being like, who am I going to hurt today?

02:37:31.500 I mean, you don't think that that's an offensive thing to. 1.00

02:37:33.620 I mean, it sure is offensive, but people say offensive shit every day. 0.95

02:37:36.260 What if the roles were reversed? 0.99

02:37:39.880 Like, what if it said, what if a guy tweeted, I mean, I love to hurt woman? 0.92

02:37:44.460 Then you, I mean, everyone has the ability to argue against something.

02:37:48.320 If you feel that strongly, say something.

02:37:50.600 And if you don't, whatever.

02:37:53.780 Well, I'm just looking for a concession that it has absolutely nothing to do with your kink. 0.68

02:37:58.440 And this is actually just how you genuinely view men.

02:38:01.120 This is my kink.

02:38:03.380 Your kink or your, it's not your kink, right? 0.91

02:38:06.620 Well, I mean, like, I'm.

02:38:07.620 You're just doing it for money.

02:38:08.680 It has nothing to do with your sex.

02:38:10.240 I mean, I'm into it in an extent of, like, it's a practice.

02:38:14.900 Like, it's BDSM.

02:38:16.660 Like, if you're in a dom space or, like, for some, a sub space.

02:38:21.140 Like, this is what you're into.

02:38:22.360 But it doesn't mean you're into it all day, every day.

02:38:24.220 Like, you leave, like, subs.

02:38:25.980 They leave sub space where they work in the military.

02:38:28.860 I have plenty of subs that have done, you know, pretty important, like, crazy jobs. 0.71

02:38:34.640 You know what I mean?

02:38:35.100 But it's not your kink. 0.87

02:38:37.020 It's their kink.

02:38:38.340 I mean, my kink is financial domination.

02:38:41.320 I'm also into, you know, like, the humiliation. 0.93

02:38:44.000 Like, I enjoy humiliating men.

02:38:45.200 I think it's fun.

02:38:46.300 Yeah.

02:38:46.460 So, you derive sexual pleasure by saying things on Twitter, such as, pull it up.

02:38:55.420 Yeah.

02:38:55.940 The last one. 0.97

02:38:57.860 I love hurting men. 0.99

02:38:59.840 You derive sexual pleasure from either saying or doing those things. 0.98

02:39:04.320 I mean, if the situation is, like, a submissive is, like, getting off to that, then, yeah, I think it's hot. 0.97

02:39:12.800 No, but you said it's your kink.

02:39:14.580 So, you're deriving pleasure simply by virtue of saying that.

02:39:18.920 Yeah.

02:39:19.240 I get pleasure from it.

02:39:20.200 I get pleasure from tweeting like that.

02:39:21.720 I think it's fun.

02:39:22.780 I like it.

02:39:23.540 So, if somebody had a kink, for example, where they, because, like, I don't think you can explain away behavior purely, and here's the pretext or justification of a behavior. 0.99

02:39:35.520 It's a kink. 0.98

02:39:36.500 It gives me sexual pleasure. 0.85

02:39:38.100 There are certain things that are, can just be deemed objectively wrong.

02:39:43.220 So, like, hurting animals.

02:39:44.960 Would you agree that that's wrong?

02:39:46.420 Yeah, that's wrong.

02:39:47.060 What if somebody derives sexual pleasure from hurting animals? 0.99

02:39:49.560 Then that's fucked up. 0.99

02:39:50.500 How is this any different than you saying you like hurting men? 0.99

02:39:56.220 Because there are men, and men, a lot of men like hurting women, so.

02:40:01.780 I'm not sure I totally follow there.

02:40:05.840 What was hard to follow?

02:40:07.060 Well, so your justification is, well, men do bad things, so I can also do bad things to perhaps even innocent men, because there's bad men out there who do bad things.

02:40:21.080 To conceivably innocent women. 1.00

02:40:23.540 These aren't innocent men.

02:40:24.720 They're coming to me for this.

02:40:26.540 You know what I mean?

02:40:27.040 Well, nobody came to you on your Twitter.

02:40:29.080 That's just you putting it out into the ether.

02:40:30.960 Well, yeah, it's called marketing.

02:40:33.180 So then you don't actually believe it.

02:40:34.940 No, she does believe it.

02:40:35.840 I do believe it.

02:40:36.580 It's her, she's.

02:40:37.220 So then it's not just marketing.

02:40:38.440 Yeah.

02:40:38.720 I mean, it is marketing.

02:40:39.840 I am marketing myself.

02:40:41.160 But you're putting that out into the ether.

02:40:42.500 So here, ex-person, ex-person.

02:40:45.140 Hang on, hang on.

02:40:45.660 This was, wait, wait.

02:40:46.680 She brought up, she brought up like the kill shot here. 0.87

02:40:51.320 So the logic is, I do believe this.

02:40:55.920 No, I don't.

02:40:56.580 It's marketing.

02:40:57.660 Okay, well then it can't just be marketing if you do believe this.

02:41:00.840 I said, I didn't say I don't believe it.

02:41:03.420 I just said it's marketing.

02:41:04.860 No, but you said that you enjoy it.

02:41:06.640 Right.

02:41:06.780 I do enjoy it. 0.90

02:41:08.040 I enjoy humiliating men.

02:41:10.080 It's not just marketing, yeah.

02:41:11.180 I mean, sure, you could call it not just marketing.

02:41:13.460 But in that sense, where I'm tweeting something general like that, that's marketing.

02:41:17.880 Okay, but you also believe it.

02:41:19.720 Sure, yeah.

02:41:20.360 That it's not marketing.

02:41:21.820 Well, not just marketing, right?

02:41:23.420 It's something you believe.

02:41:24.500 Right, but then you.

02:41:24.900 It's marketing your set of beliefs. 0.76

02:41:26.840 Yeah, in a context of BDSM, I enjoy humiliating men, yeah. 0.91

02:41:31.980 Not external, this context?

02:41:33.880 I mean, in my everyday life, I'm not going to go up to a man and be like, 1.00

02:41:36.320 you're fucking ugly, like, fuck you, like, for no reason. 1.00

02:41:39.300 Well, I mean, the evidence already exists. 1.00

02:41:41.820 You post misandrist comments on Twitter.

02:41:46.020 Is this, sorry, is this account, though, specific to that?

02:41:49.960 Yeah, I don't use that account for anything else.

02:41:51.760 It's not like a personal account.

02:41:53.100 You would consider it like a BDSM account?

02:41:55.880 Yes, yeah.

02:41:56.560 It's labeled as that.

02:41:57.900 I mean, that's a really easy way to try to, like, shield from what we're trying to get at here.

02:42:03.920 But so when it comes to the marketing component, in the example I previously provided,

02:42:07.860 where if somebody was sexually gratified by harming animals, if they just defended it

02:42:13.780 while it's marketing, that still is not a defense to the abuse of animals.

02:42:19.320 I mean, I don't co-sign the abuse of animals.

02:42:21.840 I love animals.

02:42:22.120 What about the abuse of men?

02:42:23.920 Sure, I co-sign them.

02:42:24.700 You're fine.

02:42:25.340 Okay, well.

02:42:26.180 But do you eat animals?

02:42:27.500 Huh?

02:42:27.880 Do you eat animals?

02:42:28.940 I do, yeah.

02:42:29.760 I can't care that much about them.

02:42:33.020 But you're, so you're comparing, though, and maybe you're not.

02:42:36.620 Maybe you're just comparing general belief system, but you're comparing, like, hurting

02:42:40.460 men to hurting animals, whereas, like, hurting men in the context of sex is, like, a thing.

02:42:47.040 You know what I mean?

02:42:47.640 But is that not the comparison you're making?

02:42:49.260 You're just making it, like, that's the personal preference?

02:42:51.900 Actually, he's kind of going with what you're saying here.

02:42:54.660 So Brian's, again, just trying to untangle the ideas.

02:42:57.820 No, so, me too.

02:42:58.800 So to untangle it is the idea here that this is just a character.

02:43:02.740 Is she just playing a character?

02:43:03.940 Okay, yeah.

02:43:04.680 And if you're just playing a character, fine, right?

02:43:07.540 Okay, we can concede.

02:43:08.860 You're playing a character, and that's all you're doing.

02:43:11.840 But it seems every time we lean into, is this just a character, we get, no, this are actually

02:43:17.020 what I believe, not just the character.

02:43:18.280 I said it was a kink. 0.99

02:43:19.720 I mean, obviously, you can call it a character if you want.

02:43:22.020 I mean, there are men that I enjoy humiliating, like, in person.

02:43:27.820 Like, I was in Vegas about a month or two ago.

02:43:29.780 Some guy tried to photobomb my picture. 1.00

02:43:31.340 I said, get the fuck out of my fucking picture, bitch. 1.00

02:43:33.060 Like, you know, I thought it was funny, and it was. 1.00

02:43:37.640 Yeah, I mean, I could see that being funny, to tell somebody to get the fuck out of your 0.99

02:43:41.220 picture shot. 0.99

02:43:41.940 Fine, sure.

02:43:42.920 I'm just, but what we're asking here, is this you, or is this a character that you are

02:43:49.860 playing?

02:43:50.160 I would say it is a character, 85% based on who I am.

02:43:55.760 Okay.

02:43:56.660 So then, I guess the last question, I'm going to try to give you the easiest out possible.

02:44:01.620 So, if there was never money exchanged in hands again, right, would you do this for fun?

02:44:11.320 Well, Findom is my main kink.

02:44:14.380 Like, so, it would depend, but no, I probably wouldn't give out free kink for no money.

02:44:21.740 What's the fun in that?

02:44:22.560 With a partner or something?

02:44:23.940 Like, do you enjoy it?

02:44:25.480 I mean, personally, I wouldn't want to be partnered with someone like that.

02:44:30.880 Yeah.

02:44:31.180 I want to be partnered with someone that's confident.

02:44:33.100 Then that's a character.

02:44:34.480 Then that's a character.

02:44:35.760 Sure, it's wrong.

02:44:36.420 I don't really care.

02:44:40.340 I'm still not... 0.96

02:44:40.820 I've got the kill shots on this side of the table tonight.

02:44:43.520 I'm still not convinced that it's a character, though.

02:44:47.620 I mean, I just think this is just your genuine self.

02:44:53.620 Demeanor, yeah.

02:44:54.920 I mean, I don't have to convince you.

02:44:57.020 I mean, you can believe what you want to believe about me.

02:45:00.460 There's plenty of people in my life that can attest to my great character.

02:45:04.680 And I'm sure there's people that couldn't.

02:45:06.700 Okay, next tweet.

02:45:08.760 Let's close the doors, Nick.

02:45:10.600 Maybe there wouldn't be a loneliness epidemic for men

02:45:13.420 if they all knew their place as inanimate objects

02:45:15.560 devoted to my financial pleasure.

02:45:20.840 Okay.

02:45:23.620 Why are the girls laughing at this? 1.00

02:45:30.580 Because it's just like a kind of outrageous statement to me.

02:45:33.540 Is it?

02:45:33.940 Yeah, it is.

02:45:34.520 I think that's kind of crazy.

02:45:36.260 Sure, call it crazy.

02:45:40.220 Do you genuinely believe that that's all that men are good for?

02:45:42.540 Is it just fight?

02:45:43.360 I think it's situational.

02:45:45.760 Yeah.

02:45:47.000 Like, do you want a husband one day?

02:45:49.200 Maybe.

02:45:49.780 I haven't really decided on that yet.

02:45:51.320 Go ahead.

02:45:54.960 Because, honestly, like, realistically, if a man were to see that,

02:45:58.000 all the tweets that you post up, and you say, this is my job, 0.99

02:46:00.840 he's just only going to use you just to have sex with you. 1.00

02:46:02.720 That's it. 0.99

02:46:03.100 He will never take you serious.

02:46:04.180 He will never give you children.

02:46:05.160 He'll never give you the home that you want.

02:46:06.260 I don't want children, so.

02:46:07.540 You're saying that now.

02:46:08.380 But once you get older, you're going to start to feel a lot more lonely

02:46:11.160 when you start seeing all your friends, all your families settling down

02:46:13.620 with their kids, with their dogs, their cats,

02:46:15.580 their kids going to their sporting events.

02:46:17.120 They're cheering their kids on.

02:46:18.840 You're going to feel lonely.

02:46:20.700 I won't because I can vicariously live through them, you know,

02:46:25.960 be an aunt, whatever.

02:46:27.520 Like, I don't need to have kids to feel fulfilled.

02:46:30.680 That's what makes women feel the most fulfilled. 0.98

02:46:33.360 That's not true.

02:46:34.520 Like, that's your opinion.

02:46:35.780 Like, when women meet up with each other, one of the first, 1.00

02:46:38.860 especially if you're married and you have kids, how are the kids doing?

02:46:42.200 I mean, I saw Mike at his basketball tournament.

02:46:45.460 He did a great job.

02:46:46.620 And the guys will talk about whatever the guys want to talk about,

02:46:48.360 but they always talk about kids.

02:46:49.280 Whenever women meet up and they have families, that's what we talk about. 1.00

02:46:51.540 Because kids make us feel happy.

02:46:52.920 I want to be a mother one day.

02:46:54.340 I don't ever not want to have children.

02:46:56.700 I want to have a husband.

02:46:57.600 I want to have all those things.

02:46:58.620 That's just what's going to make us feel whole.

02:47:00.500 That's literally the main two things.

02:47:02.140 Okay, well, I have decided that I don't want children.

02:47:05.140 I don't think it would make me feel whole.

02:47:08.240 I am happy with myself.

02:47:09.680 I'm happy with what I do.

02:47:11.660 And if a man decides to come along, which that's actually not true.

02:47:14.720 There's plenty of women in this industry that are married, 1.00

02:47:17.700 that are in happy, healthy relationships.

02:47:20.620 And some of them do have kids.

02:47:22.500 So, I mean, that's not true.

02:47:24.820 The rest of us are childless, cat ladies.

02:47:29.720 It's going to be a different perspective for everyone.

02:47:31.820 I mean, I think to say that what you think is just fact,

02:47:37.440 that's what's going to make every woman feel fulfilled.

02:47:40.240 That's just not true.

02:47:41.840 And I mean, two things can be true at once.

02:47:43.740 You can have your belief.

02:47:44.960 I can have mine.

02:47:45.920 You know what I mean?

02:47:46.320 Nobody wants to die alone.

02:47:47.580 I never said I was going to die alone.

02:47:49.400 But if you don't have children, you don't have a man, 0.63

02:47:51.240 you're going to die. 0.97

02:47:51.700 By definition, you're going to die alone. 0.92

02:47:52.880 You're not going to have anybody.

02:47:53.840 That's not true.

02:47:56.180 I don't agree with the children part.

02:47:58.220 Because on your dying bed, you want to see all that you created,

02:48:02.360 the family that you created.

02:48:03.320 You want to see your kids and your grandkids.

02:48:05.280 They're all surrounding you on your last moments.

02:48:07.560 That's what, just like, you just do.

02:48:09.860 You don't want to be sitting there just like, 0.98

02:48:10.940 damn, nobody came for me. 0.96

02:48:12.340 Like, you don't ever want to have to be in that position. 1.00

02:48:14.580 That's what you want.

02:48:15.060 And I have plenty of great friends.

02:48:16.900 Like, I also, I'm choosing not to be in a relationship.

02:48:20.680 There's plenty of guys that I've been seeing that I've been like,

02:48:23.960 hmm, don't really think I see a future with you.

02:48:26.620 And, like, that's on my own volition.

02:48:29.060 Like, sure, have there been guys that, like,

02:48:30.920 things haven't worked out with and it's kind of a, whatever,

02:48:34.880 like, on their terms?

02:48:36.220 Like, sure.

02:48:37.180 But I'm just saying, I don't feel like I need to be with a man

02:48:40.180 to feel fulfilled.

02:48:41.180 And I know plenty of women that are in their 30s, 40s, 50s 1.00

02:48:46.040 that don't have partners or children and they're just fine.

02:48:50.160 No, they're not.

02:48:51.260 No, they're not.

02:48:52.060 Those types of women are going to keep women like us, 1.00

02:48:54.080 the younger women, in that position. 0.99

02:48:56.280 They're not happy.

02:48:57.460 They want to see other women unhappy just like them. 1.00

02:48:59.640 I guarantee you what they want is that man and the kids.

02:49:02.140 They weren't able to get it because of their own bad decision making.

02:49:04.180 What about lesbians? 1.00

02:49:05.300 They don't want men. 1.00

02:49:05.680 Yeah, but this is a podcast about straight couples. 0.88

02:49:07.740 No offense to the gays.

02:49:09.020 I mean, you guys do what you want.

02:49:10.120 But at the end of the day, a man and a woman together,

02:49:13.140 we create population.

02:49:14.160 We create the economy.

02:49:15.680 Two girls doing this. 0.90

02:49:16.980 Guys doing this.

02:49:17.840 That doesn't create population. 0.55

02:49:19.160 It doesn't.

02:49:20.040 This is, like, for straight people.

02:49:22.060 No offense to gays.

02:49:22.860 Should I not be on here, then? 1.00

02:49:25.040 You're bisexual. 0.90

02:49:25.720 I think it's, like, you can still create fulfillment.

02:49:27.680 I feel like that's in a different way.

02:49:28.940 Can I ask if you've ever had a span of time where you haven't been searching for a relationship

02:49:34.380 or wanting something and, like, genuinely just sat with yourself and figured out what

02:49:37.720 you want?

02:49:38.780 Yeah, I have.

02:49:40.580 Plenty of times.

02:49:40.800 Like, how long was that?

02:49:42.360 Like, six months to a year.

02:49:44.380 But I'm not seeking out a relationship right now.

02:49:46.780 Again, I'm very happy by myself.

02:49:49.440 I have some men that I talk to here and there.

02:49:52.460 But I don't really place much importance upon them unless they prove to me that they are important.

02:49:57.280 So if you met a guy that was the one, and he said, you need to take all that stuff down,

02:50:00.340 you're not doing that anymore.

02:50:01.560 Would you stop doing it?

02:50:02.740 No.

02:50:05.700 Okay.

02:50:06.060 Wait, do you not, you said you don't place much importance on men.

02:50:09.820 I mean, but removing it from the sort of micro level in terms of romantic prospects here,

02:50:17.180 you would at least admit that on a societal level, and I'm not even talking for reproduction,

02:50:23.640 that you very much need men.

02:50:27.420 I mean, I guess if you want to get, like, scientific about it, sure, you need men to reproduce. 1.00

02:50:34.020 No, I excluded reproduction.

02:50:36.940 Okay, sorry, I missed that.

02:50:39.060 So.

02:50:40.480 I mean, I think that men are valuable in the sense that they provide.

02:50:45.240 That's about it.

02:50:46.100 What if they don't provide?

02:50:47.700 Then they're not valuable to me.

02:50:49.120 In terms of money.

02:50:49.980 They're not valuable to me.

02:50:51.000 Well, but I'm not saying on the micro level.

02:50:55.560 What do you mean by that?

02:50:56.520 You're saying, like, large scale in society.

02:50:57.660 So you're saying if a guy doesn't provide for me, like, money, resources, right?

02:51:02.800 Now, they might be providing in some sort of way that you're not aware of.

02:51:08.880 Okay.

02:51:09.520 Well, okay.

02:51:10.000 So men are unilaterally responsible for every bit of comfort and security that you're currently ungratefully enjoying.

02:51:18.860 Then let me be ungrateful.

02:51:21.880 I don't know what you want me to say.

02:51:23.020 Like, I'm pretty firm in my beliefs.

02:51:26.300 Okay.

02:51:26.860 So.

02:51:28.040 Oh, man.

02:51:28.520 Are we going to get into, like, the if all men disappeared thing?

02:51:34.800 Oh, we wouldn't last.

02:51:35.880 So, essentially, like, everything that allows your life to be comfortable, men are unilaterally responsible for that.

02:51:50.620 Everything.

02:51:51.440 Providing.

02:51:52.220 Yeah.

02:51:53.320 Well, I think when you say providing, you're talking about, like, a sort of direct financial compensation to you.

02:51:59.180 Not really.

02:51:59.960 I mean, like, providing, you know, a house to live in.

02:52:03.660 And I don't even mean that in the financial aspect.

02:52:05.880 I think, like, building it.

02:52:08.700 Providing, you know, safe infrastructure, et cetera, et cetera.

02:52:13.420 Okay.

02:52:13.840 I suppose at least you acknowledge that.

02:52:15.520 Let's do the next tweet.

02:52:18.100 You're not a man. 1.00

02:52:19.200 You're a hopeless, pathetic gooner under the spell of dominant brats. 1.00

02:52:22.800 All brat summer. 1.00

02:52:24.080 Is this directed at a specific person or?

02:52:29.960 Just men in general.

02:52:31.460 That might have been directed towards a specific person.

02:52:35.140 I mean, I agree with that tweet, though. 1.00

02:52:37.680 Like, if you hire a domi mommy, I think you're just a fucking gooner. 1.00

02:52:44.660 A domi mommy? 1.00

02:52:45.320 Yeah. 0.88

02:52:45.780 I think you're just a gooner at that point.

02:52:48.480 Next.

02:52:50.740 The only time I will ever be mean to another woman is if she disrespects me or someone I love.

02:52:56.440 Baseless hate only brings you misfortune.

02:52:59.960 Do you hate men?

02:53:00.880 I feel like that goes for everyone.

02:53:01.660 Yeah, that goes for everyone.

02:53:03.120 Kind of, yeah. 0.51

02:53:04.380 You hate men? 0.74

02:53:05.940 I mean.

02:53:07.380 But you want them to provide for you?

02:53:09.020 Hold on.

02:53:09.540 Let's let her answer.

02:53:09.840 And you rely on men for money? 0.98

02:53:11.060 But you hate them?

02:53:11.480 I don't rely on men for money.

02:53:12.720 I'm a bartender.

02:53:13.460 That's literally your actual profession.

02:53:15.540 No, that is a side gig.

02:53:17.240 I'm a bartender.

02:53:18.200 I provide for myself.

02:53:19.680 What's the male versus female clientele at the bar? 0.98

02:53:22.840 Honestly, men be drinking. 0.93

02:53:24.340 There's plenty of women that come in. 1.00

02:53:25.960 Yeah, that's not what I asked, though.

02:53:27.360 Is it more men than women?

02:53:29.060 No, I would say it's equal.

02:53:32.160 They do.

02:53:33.580 I work in the restaurant industry.

02:53:34.800 A lot of men drink.

02:53:35.900 I mean, yeah.

02:53:36.460 A lot of men do drink. 0.55

02:53:37.840 That's a good call out.

02:53:38.720 I know, yeah.

02:53:40.420 But I do want to dive more into this.

02:53:42.660 You said you hate men, kind of.

02:53:45.500 Yeah.

02:53:45.840 I mean, I think it's, again, situational.

02:53:48.520 I mean, there's some men that I don't hate.

02:53:50.060 But I would say, in my world with men, you're guilty until proven innocent.

02:53:58.380 Did something happen?

02:53:59.500 Is that why you have a certain...

02:54:01.040 That's what I was wondering.

02:54:01.680 Yeah, because something must have happened.

02:54:03.380 I mean, I don't...

02:54:04.920 Sure.

02:54:05.580 Something probably did happen.

02:54:07.480 Because a woman... 1.00

02:54:09.060 If men in your life have always treated you right or treated you kind, you wouldn't be

02:54:13.120 thinking the way that you're thinking.

02:54:13.980 You wouldn't even have the job that you have.

02:54:15.640 Do you have any brothers?

02:54:17.040 I do have a brother.

02:54:17.720 I have an older brother, yeah.

02:54:18.840 Do you hate him?

02:54:20.280 No.

02:54:21.420 Is his only worth to provide for you?

02:54:23.480 No, he doesn't provide for me.

02:54:25.160 He's my brother.

02:54:25.900 I love him.

02:54:26.400 So he has worth outside of providing for you?

02:54:28.140 Yeah, he's my brother.

02:54:29.540 I love him.

02:54:29.840 What about your father?

02:54:30.560 Same thing?

02:54:31.380 He's my father.

02:54:32.740 So he has value outside of...

02:54:34.440 Just every other man except your immediate family, they're not valuable unless they're 1.00

02:54:38.420 providing for you?

02:54:39.420 They're not valuable until they prove to me that they're valuable.

02:54:43.060 By providing for you?

02:54:45.600 Sure.

02:54:45.960 It could be providing for me, yeah.

02:54:47.480 What are the other ways they could prove it?

02:54:50.740 No, actually, I think it's just providing.

02:54:52.520 You're right.

02:54:53.920 Not support?

02:54:55.820 I mean, I don't really look to men for support.

02:54:57.860 I have plenty of women in my life. 1.00

02:54:58.840 You can do it with your job.

02:54:59.760 Okay, well...

02:55:00.280 They're supporting your...

02:55:02.000 You know, if you need to buy groceries, they're supporting your habits with food and all that.

02:55:07.380 I mean, they're paying for everything.

02:55:08.660 They're supporting everything.

02:55:09.920 But they're not.

02:55:10.560 I just said that.

02:55:11.340 That's supplemental income.

02:55:12.780 I mean...

02:55:12.880 Yeah, but you even said a couple minutes ago you wouldn't stop your profession even if a

02:55:16.980 good man came into your life. 0.98

02:55:18.100 You need those simp-ass men, those weak-ass dudes, to pay your rent, to feed you, to 1.00

02:55:23.460 clothe you. 1.00

02:55:24.020 I do.

02:55:24.880 Well, you know what's funny is that I enjoy the community.

02:55:27.620 Like, I have friends in the community.

02:55:28.920 I enjoy the community.

02:55:29.660 There's no way.

02:55:29.880 Yeah, but you don't respect those men.

02:55:31.700 But there's other women in that community that I really respect and I enjoy.

02:55:34.960 But you're not trying to date those women.

02:55:36.180 No.

02:55:36.440 You're not trying to marry those women. 0.97

02:55:36.880 But they're my friends.

02:55:38.980 And your friends are...

02:55:41.020 You know, as you get older...

02:55:42.300 No, you're 26.

02:55:43.200 I was going to say, as you get older, you're going to see...

02:55:45.200 You're going to drop a lot of your old friends.

02:55:46.900 But you're stuck.

02:55:48.480 I have plenty of friends that I've been friends with for, like, 10 plus years now.

02:55:52.880 And they support what you're doing right now.

02:55:54.860 Yeah, they do.

02:55:55.560 They don't see anything wrong with it.

02:55:56.560 They don't say, well, maybe you shouldn't.

02:55:58.200 Those aren't real friends.

02:55:59.040 I'm sorry, girl.

02:55:59.700 No, they're real friends.

02:56:00.280 What you're doing is not something that you'd actually show to your parents.

02:56:03.200 Hey, mom and dad, look at what I'm doing. 0.99

02:56:05.240 I made this guy punch himself in the balls. 0.99

02:56:06.880 My mom knows about this stuff. 0.99

02:56:08.680 There's no way you're actually happy with that.

02:56:10.900 I wouldn't be happy with that.

02:56:11.920 I'm very happy.

02:56:13.140 No.

02:56:14.140 I've done music videos that I shouldn't have done that I'm not happy with.

02:56:16.960 I mean, let's be real.

02:56:17.800 We're not all happy with the things and the choices that we've done in our lives.

02:56:20.540 I mean, sure.

02:56:21.040 I'm not happy that I've stolen from Walmart in the past.

02:56:23.020 You're not happy with what you're doing.

02:56:24.640 You know you're not.

02:56:25.340 There's no way.

02:56:26.060 I'm pretty happy.

02:56:26.860 There's no way.

02:56:27.600 Do you ever wake up, like, just tired of hating men?

02:56:30.360 Like, that must be exhausting.

02:56:32.100 No.

02:56:33.180 Really?

02:56:33.500 I wake up, yeah, pretty fulfilled.

02:56:37.020 I have a question.

02:56:37.520 Do you think that part of why you're single or have, like, a harder time dating men is

02:56:41.940 because of what you do?

02:56:42.720 I never said I have a hard time dating.

02:56:43.980 Well, you said it hasn't worked out or, like, it hasn't been the one that you're looking

02:56:46.960 for.

02:56:47.800 Yeah, because I haven't found the one.

02:56:48.860 But do you think it's because the kind of men that you attract?

02:56:51.180 Yeah. 0.97

02:56:51.460 I mean, sure, I might attract some shitty men, as all of us probably have. 0.95

02:56:56.940 But no, I've attracted some really great men. 0.86

02:56:59.700 Like, and it just hasn't worked out.

02:57:01.620 Why?

02:57:02.120 Time, place.

02:57:02.880 Like, there's, timing is everything, you know?

02:57:06.180 And they're okay with what you do?

02:57:08.020 Yeah.

02:57:08.880 No, they're not.

02:57:10.020 They would have wiped you if they were okay with it.

02:57:11.960 I don't want to be wiped.

02:57:13.020 I'm not out here being like, please, choose me, pick me.

02:57:15.320 Like, that's not, like, what...

02:57:16.340 It's not trying to be a pick me, though.

02:57:18.240 It's a natural inclination to want to be.

02:57:21.760 But, like, that's natural for you.

02:57:24.500 Like, I am, I've always been independent.

02:57:27.720 Like...

02:57:27.960 No, I mean, like, biologically speaking.

02:57:29.700 Yeah.

02:57:30.740 Biologically speaking, I don't want children.

02:57:32.780 I think the pick me's are smart.

02:57:34.440 Because the pick me's go, pick me.

02:57:37.120 And then the women who are bitter about it are like, yeah, pick them. 1.00

02:57:40.400 It's like...

02:57:41.680 Yeah, like a 40-year-old.

02:57:43.340 Yeah, it seems like it works out really well for the pick me's. 0.97

02:57:46.720 Because not only are they the ones who get picked, because they're pick me's,

02:57:50.400 but then the women who are always seething go, yeah, you need to pick them. 1.00

02:57:54.340 So, it's like, it just works out double well for them.

02:57:56.580 I mean, I'm not seething.

02:57:57.600 I'm pretty, like, content.

02:58:01.160 Okay.

02:58:02.280 Next tweet.

02:58:03.680 Oh, yeah.

02:58:06.240 I love stealing a man's soul and his wallet. 0.98

02:58:09.980 Heart.

02:58:10.340 I mean, not sure if much explanation is needed on that one. 0.99

02:58:14.720 I mean, that's, like, kind of regurgitated from the other type of shit. 0.99

02:58:17.940 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:58:18.780 Next.

02:58:20.520 Men fear me because I'm hotter, funnier, smarter, and more interesting than them and their wives.

02:58:24.700 Hee-hee. 1.00

02:58:25.160 LOL.

02:58:27.120 Erroneous!

02:58:28.300 Erroneous!

02:58:29.720 I mean, that's playing into the kink, honestly. 0.91

02:58:32.160 Like, I won't even lie.

02:58:32.980 Like, I'm not really into the home-wrecking stuff, but I was playing into the kink that day. 0.89

02:58:37.540 So, you never willingly knew that you were messing with a guy that was married?

02:58:41.000 I mean, a lot of these guys are probably married.

02:58:43.820 Oof.

02:58:44.680 That's not good.

02:58:45.840 Okay.

02:58:46.660 I'm literally, like, I can't help that this is what they're into.

02:58:49.860 And it's not really my, like...

02:58:51.300 I mean, you could help it.

02:58:54.040 I wouldn't even cross the kink. 0.98

02:58:55.740 I said, I can't help what they choose to do.

02:58:58.040 I can help what I choose to do.

02:58:59.320 And I...

02:58:59.740 This makes me happy.

02:59:01.660 It doesn't.

02:59:02.360 It makes you happy seeing people with wives beat into their fetishes. 1.00

02:59:05.840 Get cheated on.

02:59:06.360 And get cheating on their wives.

02:59:07.400 I never said that.

02:59:08.420 And first of all, if they're cheating...

02:59:09.840 You said this is what makes me happy.

02:59:11.340 You're taking that out of context.

02:59:12.620 It's being implied in what you're saying.

02:59:13.900 I just said I wasn't into home-wrecking.

02:59:15.460 Wait, you have something?

02:59:16.600 It looks like you were...

02:59:17.420 No, it looks like you were about to talk.

02:59:19.180 She said it.

02:59:19.980 She said it.

02:59:20.420 Oh, we got to give you a chance to talk here.

02:59:22.180 Go ahead, say it.

02:59:23.100 Say it.

02:59:23.380 Even if it was already said.

02:59:25.960 You can say it in German.

02:59:27.240 How about that?

02:59:28.080 Yeah.

02:59:30.400 Say it into the mic.

02:59:33.160 In German?

02:59:33.860 Yeah, say it.

02:59:34.460 You're from Austria.

02:59:35.420 Yeah.

02:59:37.000 You don't speak German?

02:59:38.560 Of course I speak German.

02:59:39.980 There you go.

02:59:40.820 Say it in German.

02:59:42.040 Can you say something?

02:59:42.880 Yeah, just say it in German.

02:59:44.280 Okay.

02:59:45.580 Wait, I have to think.

02:59:47.260 Or like Austrian. 0.59

02:59:49.320 Wouldn't it?

02:59:49.740 Austria.

02:59:50.200 Well, they speak German.

02:59:51.920 Yeah, German.

02:59:52.340 I know they do, but...

02:59:53.140 Isn't Austrian its own language, too?

02:59:55.160 I think it's just a different dialect.

02:59:56.040 I know Austrian is German, too.

02:59:57.980 Like Germany. 0.88

02:59:59.240 I'm just asking.

03:00:00.200 I don't know.

03:00:00.740 Trying to get culture.

03:00:05.380 Go ahead.

03:00:06.040 In German.

03:00:06.400 Well, she had ja gesagt, dass die Männer sich aussuchen, auch wenn sie verheiratet sind,

03:00:14.860 dass...

03:00:15.400 Yep.

03:00:16.100 Und sie kann halt machen, was sie will. 0.68

03:00:18.320 Aber sie muss ja nicht, wenn sie verheiratet sind, sollte sie trotzdem Nein dazu sagen.

03:00:24.260 Yeah.

03:00:24.740 I 100% agree.

03:00:26.120 I feel like we're going to be just ladies. 0.99

03:00:29.880 Boom.

03:00:30.960 Nice.

03:00:31.520 Okay.

03:00:33.660 Okay.

03:00:34.700 Next tweet.

03:00:35.500 Next tweet.

03:00:36.280 I think we did this so I'm going to pump it.

03:00:38.320 Men are pun...

03:00:39.060 Yeah, we saw that one.

03:00:39.800 Yeah, we did that one.

03:00:40.660 Did we?

03:00:41.180 Yeah.

03:00:41.640 Did we?

03:00:41.880 No.

03:00:42.400 I think it was something similar, though.

03:00:43.800 It was probably something similar.

03:00:44.580 That one was way too memorable.

03:00:45.760 It was similar.

03:00:46.620 Yeah.

03:00:47.640 Next one, then.

03:00:48.380 I really have only been in the mood to play Fortnite and make men cry lately.

03:00:54.660 Okay.

03:00:56.440 I understand the Fortnite part.

03:00:58.060 Cool.

03:00:59.060 Glad you do.

03:01:00.940 You guys have something in common?

03:01:03.460 Yeah.

03:01:04.280 A lot of Fortnite cards.

03:01:06.960 It's kind of sad when you think about the fact that the patriarchy literally indoctrinates

03:01:11.120 women to hate other women for being women. 1.00

03:01:13.460 You look like a clown. 1.00

03:01:14.880 The patriarchy. 1.00

03:01:16.160 Is that the last tweet, Nick?

03:01:17.360 I believe so.

03:01:17.840 Okay.

03:01:18.740 Just double-check if it is.

03:01:21.520 So, why don't we get into the patriarchy stuff, and then we'll get into more actual dating

03:01:26.480 stuff in a bit.

03:01:28.420 It's related.

03:01:29.660 It is, yeah.

03:01:30.220 You know, the patriarchy has a lot to do with dating.

03:01:33.180 Sure.

03:01:34.820 So, I asked earlier if you consider yourself a feminist. 1.00

03:01:41.020 You said no.

03:01:42.700 I wouldn't label myself as that.

03:01:44.420 I'm sure I align with feminist values, yeah. 1.00

03:01:46.360 Right.

03:01:46.520 Because you, oh my God, I'm having like a stroke tonight or something.

03:01:50.100 I don't know what's going on.

03:01:51.120 I'm out of it.

03:01:52.300 You use a lot of feminist coded language. 1.00

03:01:55.020 Sure, yeah.

03:01:55.380 Yeah.

03:01:56.040 Patriarchy, for example. 0.68

03:01:57.940 So, what is the patriarchy?

03:02:01.720 Actually, wait.

03:02:02.320 Before I have you answer that, I do want to ask everybody at the table.

03:02:05.000 I'm all over the place tonight.

03:02:06.580 I don't know what, I didn't sleep well tonight, yesterday.

03:02:08.940 Oh my.

03:02:09.260 What is going on?

03:02:10.080 Tonight.

03:02:10.320 I'm all over the place today.

03:02:13.100 So, just going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist? 1.00

03:02:16.080 I don't know, I guess.

03:02:22.360 I feel like, this is how I feel about it.

03:02:25.000 People who say they're feminists and like want equality always talk about how women should 1.00

03:02:29.520 be like executives and CEOs and stuff.

03:02:32.520 But like they don't consider that there's low jobs that like they should also have if

03:02:37.280 we truly want equality. 0.61

03:02:39.140 Like, ain't no girl out there flashing her titties in a park for equality. 1.00

03:02:44.480 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

03:02:45.200 Like, you got a lot of public flashers that are dudes.

03:02:47.840 Like, I'm interested in seeing a woman, you know, take that stand. 1.00

03:02:51.920 I mean, a ton of women do march in the nude for women's rights. 1.00

03:02:55.940 That's not what I'm saying, though. 0.54

03:02:56.920 I'm saying like public flasher, public masturbator, like where are we at, you know? 0.97

03:03:02.340 It's a joke. 0.98

03:03:03.060 It's a joke.

03:03:04.000 Chill out.

03:03:06.120 It's a joke.

03:03:06.980 I was a little lost.

03:03:08.440 Sure.

03:03:08.840 I guess I'm a feminist. 1.00

03:03:10.300 I don't know.

03:03:11.820 Thank you.

03:03:12.680 Thank you.

03:03:13.420 And the greater side, it kills.

03:03:15.300 Make me laugh, funny lady. 1.00

03:03:17.500 Well, I can't get a word in.

03:03:22.220 So, yes, feminist? 1.00

03:03:23.320 Sure, yeah.

03:03:24.080 Okay.

03:03:24.740 I think you said no.

03:03:25.540 Rock and roll.

03:03:26.320 What about you?

03:03:27.120 No.

03:03:28.040 No.

03:03:28.960 Absolutely not.

03:03:30.940 Oh, whoops.

03:03:31.780 Did not mean to press that by that.

03:03:32.820 No.

03:03:34.580 No.

03:03:36.340 Okay.

03:03:36.740 All right.

03:03:37.340 But you did mention the patriarchy.

03:03:40.940 Yeah.

03:03:41.120 So, why don't we go into that?

03:03:42.300 What is the patriarchy?

03:03:43.680 The system of beliefs held by men who are, you know, overly in power to basically just

03:03:54.980 set the, their standard of what society should be based off their beliefs of, you know.

03:04:05.540 Are they, and are they in power because they're men?

03:04:08.520 I mean, sure, probably.

03:04:11.280 Mm-hmm.

03:04:13.960 And so, what percentage of men are in power? 0.93

03:04:17.140 A lot.

03:04:17.880 I don't know.

03:04:18.460 That's a very specific question.

03:04:20.480 But, I mean, do you think it might have more to do with, like, their class or status than 1.00

03:04:26.040 the fact that they have a penis? 1.00

03:04:27.800 No. 1.00

03:04:28.200 I think it usually starts with them having a penis. 1.00

03:04:31.220 I think they will get ahead in life a lot easier if they're men. 1.00

03:04:36.500 No.

03:04:37.700 No.

03:04:38.980 Men have it way hard.

03:04:40.040 Men actually have to work to become something. 0.95

03:04:41.960 We are just, we're just here. 0.99

03:04:44.060 Like, to be quite honest with you, we could get into clubs without having to pay for shit. 0.98

03:04:47.580 We could get bottle service without having to pay for anything. 0.99

03:04:49.340 But can we get paid the same as men?

03:04:51.060 We do.

03:04:51.760 If we didn't, that'd be, that'd be an issue.

03:04:53.500 What are you talking about?

03:04:54.380 Women do not make as much as men. 0.86

03:04:55.900 If a woman cannot do the exact same amount of work as a man, you can't expect that one 1.00

03:04:59.460 to get paid the same.

03:05:00.600 If a woman construction worker and a man construction worker were working right now together, the 0.99

03:05:05.120 man is carrying 100 pounds of weight, the woman could only carry 50, why the hell would 1.00

03:05:08.120 that woman get paid the same? 1.00

03:05:09.020 Why, what about a man who's an executive and a woman who's an executive? 0.80

03:05:13.320 Is she putting in the same amount of work? 0.86

03:05:14.580 Yes.

03:05:14.840 I wouldn't, I mean, let's be real here.

03:05:16.500 If that woman is an executive, and let's say she gets pregnant, should she deserve the 1.00

03:05:20.000 same amount of money as the man that's actually still going to be at work?

03:05:22.400 Besides, you're at the mercy of the firm's argument, which is, if it were true, that

03:05:27.860 what you're saying is true, that women who are not in these construction jobs and this

03:05:32.260 type of thing, but rather in kind of comfy AC related jobs, like the men, and they're

03:05:37.640 getting paid less than them, then why wouldn't a man create an entire firm of women and then 1.00

03:05:43.220 destroy their competition because they're now paying their staff way less?

03:05:48.980 Yeah, why not?

03:05:49.620 But am I wrong that women get paid less than men?

03:05:53.680 Because I don't think I am.

03:05:54.680 I think that's pretty common knowledge.

03:05:55.980 Yeah, but if that is the case, right?

03:05:58.420 So this is what I'm questioning is the basis for this case, right?

03:06:01.640 If it were the case that that were true.

03:06:03.840 Which it is.

03:06:05.000 If it is, then why doesn't, why don't, why doesn't a woman even, or a man, just hire a 1.00

03:06:10.460 firm of these women and pay them less than the firm that are hiring men because they would 1.00

03:06:15.960 make a killing with an all-woman staff? 0.95

03:06:17.560 You tell me, I don't know, I'm not a dude, I'm not making that decision.

03:06:21.320 If I hired a firm full of women, you bet I would pay them just as much as I'm, like, 1.00

03:06:27.140 I'm not going to pay them less.

03:06:28.640 That seems backwards.

03:06:32.220 Yeah, but you would think a man would, right? 0.99

03:06:34.460 Potentially.

03:06:35.120 I mean, I don't know who's been paying us less.

03:06:37.860 I don't think it's women. 1.00

03:06:38.700 Well, then if it's men, then why wouldn't a man just have a firm of all women and pay 1.00

03:06:42.840 them less if they get the same amount of work out of them?

03:06:46.500 I mean, that's a question for a dude.

03:06:48.800 I can't answer that.

03:06:49.920 Why couldn't you answer that?

03:06:51.800 Why wouldn't a man have a firm of all women and pay them less? 1.00

03:06:55.600 I don't know.

03:06:57.060 I mean, because then they would destroy the competition who's paying the men more, right?

03:07:01.760 Okay, so, I mean, why don't we see that, then, if that's the case?

03:07:06.160 Because it's not the case that men are making more in those positions than women are.

03:07:11.000 If it was the case that you could pay women less to do the same job, then why wouldn't 0.98

03:07:15.860 you just make a firm and pay all of them way less for the same job?

03:07:19.840 So you're talking about the wage gap, right?

03:07:22.000 So why don't you tell us what your sense of the wage gap is?

03:07:24.780 Because there's these numbers that get thrown around.

03:07:27.180 Women make 77 cents on the dollar as compared to men. 0.64

03:07:30.360 Is that what you're talking about when you say the wage gap?

03:07:32.580 Yeah.

03:07:32.900 So what is the number that you think it is?

03:07:34.740 It's around that.

03:07:35.840 Like 80 cents on the dollar?

03:07:37.000 Something like that, and then women of color make even less. 1.00

03:07:39.860 Yeah, Nick, we have something on that, too.

03:07:41.940 So two things, Nick.

03:07:42.800 The pay scale website on the wage gap, and then there's also, just do Google pay scale wage

03:07:49.500 gap, and then also in the infographics folder, there is the, hold on, there's the wage

03:07:57.520 folder, and in it, you mentioned women, you mentioned in women of color, so Nick, you're

03:08:04.720 going to pull up just, it's in the wage gap folder, the Asian women one, but it's not

03:08:13.540 number two, it's the one in the middle with the more straight, the straight lines.

03:08:18.360 Do the Asian women first, then we'll do pay scale. 1.00

03:08:20.420 Okay, so you mentioned women of color. 0.92

03:08:25.480 Actually, Asian women out-earn white men. 1.00

03:08:28.880 This is the median weekly earnings of full-time workers, white men versus Asian women.

03:08:32.620 That's two minority categories.

03:08:35.660 In higher paying jobs, is what you're saying.

03:08:37.480 No, across the board.

03:08:40.260 Am I white men?

03:08:41.580 Doing a comparison to comparison.

03:08:43.000 So, my understanding of how this is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, they just take

03:08:49.760 all the earnings of men, all the earnings, excuse me, all the earnings of white men compared 0.54

03:08:54.080 to all the earnings of Asian women.

03:08:56.780 Now, these are all full-time workers, mind you.

03:08:58.680 Now, the wage gap that you referenced earlier, that encompasses all the money that men bring

03:09:05.840 in and all the money women bring in. 1.00

03:09:07.440 So, it could be making a comparison of a woman who has a part-time job as a barista, and part 0.92

03:09:13.860 of that data is also comparing it to men who work on oil rigs, who get hazard pay.

03:09:19.920 And then, where are you guys pulling your stuff from?

03:09:23.520 Nick, you can pull up pay scale.

03:09:24.780 Pay scale is a fairly, it's actually pretty, I think it's actually pretty left-leaning.

03:09:30.820 It's a fairly reputable company.

03:09:33.260 Can you scroll down, Nick?

03:09:34.120 There should be, like, a circle chart.

03:09:38.740 Scroll down.

03:09:40.980 Okay.

03:09:41.560 Can you scroll in on that one?

03:09:43.520 You might even be able to right-click, and I don't know if it's an image.

03:09:46.740 The gender pay gap in 2024.

03:09:48.760 So, the uncontrolled gender pay gap, which is what you're talking about. 0.98

03:09:51.940 Women earn 83 cents for every $1 earned by men. 0.77

03:09:54.400 Or you're including, like, part-time and all that.

03:09:56.260 Well, this is where you're not factoring, you're not controlling for anything.

03:09:59.400 So, it's all the money that women make, all the money that men make. 1.00

03:10:02.600 But it's not factoring in for the fact that, for example, men, all men, collectively, work more hours than women.

03:10:09.620 They're more likely to work overtime.

03:10:12.120 They're more likely to relocate.

03:10:13.600 They're more likely to work hazard pay, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

03:10:16.700 Wait, pull it back up real quick.

03:10:18.180 The controlled gender pay gap.

03:10:19.980 So, this measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications.

03:10:24.640 All men and all women. 0.99

03:10:26.320 All men. 0.93

03:10:26.880 Well, it's same job, same qualifications.

03:10:30.200 So, if you actually control for each of these things and you start removing these variances, like hours worked, different job field, different choices, it shrinks down to 99 cents.

03:10:43.220 It's still below.

03:10:45.220 Right.

03:10:45.680 But it's, I mean, it's still.

03:10:48.300 You make a penny less than a man. 0.98

03:10:50.080 Man, that's rough.

03:10:53.200 But let me, well, let me ask you this.

03:10:55.200 Just out of curiosity, I always wondered this question. 0.99

03:10:58.840 Even if it were true that men who owned firms of some type or another did hire women at a lesser wage than they hired men, who the fuck cares? 0.98

03:11:08.800 Why is that even a problem? 0.99

03:11:10.860 If they're just like, I just don't want these fucking women to make as much as the men that I hire. 1.00

03:11:15.980 Why is that actually a problem? 0.99

03:11:18.920 I mean, it's a moral problem.

03:11:20.380 What is the moral problem? 1.00

03:11:21.960 I mean, that dude's like a piece of shit. 1.00

03:11:24.140 Why? 1.00

03:11:24.700 Why would it make him a piece of shit? 1.00

03:11:26.500 Because he doesn't value women as much as he values men. 1.00

03:11:29.480 He doesn't value their labor as much.

03:11:32.300 But if it's the same labor?

03:11:34.400 Even if it's the same labor, he just doesn't value it as much.

03:11:36.740 Well, then I think that says something about how he values women.

03:11:40.080 Yeah, but how would it actually be immoral?

03:11:42.060 Like, why would it be immoral, for instance, if you owned a business, you said, right? 0.97

03:11:47.180 Why would it actually be immoral for you to be like, I just don't want to fucking hire men at all. 0.99

03:11:51.860 I just don't want to even fucking hire them because I don't like their faces. 0.96

03:11:55.240 Why would that even be actually immoral or problematic? 0.98

03:11:58.240 I think it's problematic because you're not considering different perspectives that can contribute to the work that you're doing.

03:12:04.100 But it's yours.

03:12:05.280 Why do you need to consider other perspectives? 1.00

03:12:07.320 Like, fuck the other perspectives. 1.00

03:12:08.340 It's your shit, right? 1.00

03:12:09.340 Like, if you found a business, right, and you built it up for 10 years, and you're going to start hiring people. 1.00

03:12:15.560 And you're like, I don't fucking like women. 1.00

03:12:18.180 I just don't like them. 1.00

03:12:19.220 I don't like them.

03:12:20.220 So I'm not going to hire any.

03:12:21.840 I was thinking about this, and I was trying to figure out what's actually immoral about that.

03:12:29.040 I mean, I guess I just think it speaks to, like, the person's values, essentially.

03:12:35.640 Like, that they don't.

03:12:38.260 John Smith donated $200.

03:12:40.640 Hey, John.

03:12:41.120 Thank you, man.

03:12:41.460 The reason these feminists and angry women are so upset is because they don't have a man to tell them to calm down and relax. 1.00

03:12:48.660 Are you going to do it, John Smith?

03:12:50.560 Thank you, John Smith.

03:12:51.460 Calm down.

03:12:53.320 Relax.

03:12:53.920 Oh, my God.

03:12:54.540 Relax.

03:12:55.100 I think I just came.

03:12:56.420 Oh, my God.

03:12:58.480 But anyway.

03:12:59.260 What the?

03:13:00.120 What?

03:13:00.340 Yeah, so I was just wondering if you could elucidate me, why you would actually think that that was immoral.

03:13:07.220 I get that you wouldn't like it.

03:13:08.640 Well, because you're saying, I don't like women. 1.00

03:13:11.280 I don't want, like, that's such a, like, I don't think that that's, like, good moral standards. 0.99

03:13:16.400 It's just, like, it kind of relates to all the shit that we've been talking about with her and how she wants to hurt men and shit, right? 0.95

03:13:22.380 Like, it doesn't feel so far away from that. 0.99

03:13:24.600 Yeah, I mean, maybe not, but let us assume that a man goes, you know, a woman's labor, right? 0.99

03:13:30.780 It's worth as much as a man's insofar as the labor she actually does and the labor he's actually doing is about the same. 0.99

03:13:37.100 But they just cause so many fucking problems, right? 0.91

03:13:39.700 They cause all sorts of issues. 1.00

03:13:41.700 They complain a lot.

03:13:43.060 They're always at the HR department because they got too flirty with a guy at work. 1.00

03:13:47.380 They're just a pain in the fucking ass to deal with. 1.00

03:13:50.460 They're just a pain in the ass. 1.00

03:13:51.580 And if I have an all-male workforce, I don't have to deal with any of those fucking problems. 1.00

03:13:55.660 That seems like it's a really justified and reasoned reason. 0.99

03:13:59.380 Are you saying that all women are like that and that women are just causing problems in the workplace? 1.00

03:14:03.840 Because I don't think that I've ever been like that in the workplace.

03:14:05.700 I'm going to actually assume most women aren't like that. 1.00

03:14:07.900 Okay.

03:14:08.540 But I'm going to assume that there's enough of them that are that you're still gambling.

03:14:12.440 And that if it's even 20%, I can understand the rationale and could not say it was immoral for a person to be like, 0.94

03:14:19.740 yeah, I don't want to fucking deal with all that. 0.88

03:14:22.240 I literally just don't want to deal with it. 0.86

03:14:24.260 To not hire them.

03:14:24.900 Yeah.

03:14:25.160 To just not hire them.

03:14:26.080 Yeah.

03:14:26.560 To just be like, hey.

03:14:27.080 I have my own business.

03:14:28.260 I mean, I don't plan on hiring anybody.

03:14:29.940 I like just working for myself.

03:14:31.120 But I could see that if someone was like, oh, I just don't want to hire them.

03:14:35.280 I don't think that that's an issue.

03:14:36.240 But if it was like, oh, I'm going to hire them.

03:14:39.040 They're doing the same work.

03:14:39.600 But I'm paying them less because I think that they're doing more complaints.

03:14:42.380 Like, you know?

03:14:42.800 I don't know.

03:14:43.180 I think that, sorry, I lost my train of thought.

03:14:48.760 But I just don't think that, like, all women are just inherently, like, going to cause problems.

03:14:54.100 I totally, completely, 100% agree.

03:14:57.560 But let's say it's 10%, which is a lot.

03:15:00.700 That's a lot.

03:15:01.440 Can you just fire the one who is?

03:15:03.400 That's like one in ten women that you hire. 1.00

03:15:05.260 Well, but the problem's already caused, right?

03:15:07.620 The issue's already there. 0.97

03:15:09.260 And you're like, ah, you know, in this factory, right, I can have a hot dog put, or a guy put the fucking hot dogs on the little pallet, and then it goes up. 0.99

03:15:17.480 Or I can have a woman do it. 1.00

03:15:18.640 They do it about as fast.

03:15:20.060 They do about as much work.

03:15:21.420 But I never have to deal with the, ah, it's getting harassed.

03:15:25.160 Do you think there's a little bit of inherent sexism, though, in that?

03:15:28.000 Like, I think there's, like, a little bit of inherent sexism in your words.

03:15:30.900 My question is not whether or not it's sexist.

03:15:34.080 Okay.

03:15:34.340 My question would be, who cares if it is?

03:15:36.900 Why would that be a problem to be sexist under those circumstances?

03:15:41.040 I just don't understand, Hope.

03:15:41.960 So, in other words, sexism itself, I'm not sure is immoral in and of itself if it's indicating a behavior that you're trying to avoid.

03:15:49.720 So, for instance, wouldn't it be sexist?

03:15:51.420 Why are you bagging on her, then?

03:15:52.040 Well, I'll explain.

03:15:53.360 Wouldn't it be sexist, for instance, for you, at night, to walk across the street if a group of men are moving towards you?

03:16:00.740 Oh, my God.

03:16:01.520 Uh, yes, because I would not walk, I would not change what I was doing if I saw a group of women. 1.00

03:16:06.940 If I saw a group of men, I would be a million times more likely than I'm going across the street.

03:16:10.180 So, are you sexist?

03:16:13.140 Hmm.

03:16:14.140 I think it's just me.

03:16:14.700 I mean, I...

03:16:15.520 Are you sexist?

03:16:16.780 Well, in, for my own protection, in that case, I would say yes.

03:16:20.620 For your own protection, in that case, yes, I will be sexist.

03:16:26.300 And aren't we saying the exact same thing?

03:16:28.200 Although, mine could be life or death, yours is not a life or death.

03:16:31.220 Are those different?

03:16:32.720 Or, right, it could be the life and death of your business.

03:16:37.240 And, yeah, that's basically to the financial ruination, your life, family, everything else.

03:16:43.000 I agree that maybe the stakes are slightly higher from the physical aspect, but the principle is the same.

03:16:48.120 I'm sexist towards this group because even though most people in this group aren't going to do this, enough of them will that I feel like crossing the street, probably a good idea.

03:17:00.720 And do you think men would blame you for doing that?

03:17:02.680 No. 1.00

03:17:03.080 Fuck no. 1.00

03:17:03.680 They're like, go across the street. 1.00

03:17:05.680 We know that there's predatory men. 1.00

03:17:07.020 Fuck yeah. 1.00

03:17:07.540 Right. 1.00

03:17:08.100 So, why would men get blamed for not wanting to hire women?

03:17:12.260 That's my thing.

03:17:13.140 That's why I'm like, is it immoral?

03:17:14.820 Oh, I have a question.

03:17:16.580 Would you say that men do the, like, you're saying that, what did you say, 10 or 5% of women cause problems in the workplace?

03:17:22.740 Well, we're just assuming it for, like, the sake of the hypothetical.

03:17:27.260 Would you not say the same thing about men?

03:17:29.300 No.

03:17:29.860 Really?

03:17:30.560 Yes.

03:17:30.860 Really?

03:17:31.460 Yeah.

03:17:31.780 What about the men that can't keep it in their pants at work?

03:17:34.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:17:35.800 Dealousy, competitiveness.

03:17:36.920 But are you going to have that problem if you have an all-male workforce? 1.00

03:17:41.880 But you're saying if I hire women.

03:17:43.420 But what if it's an all-woman workforce? 1.00

03:17:44.960 Yeah, but if it's an all-woman workforce, then you have catty backstabbing fucking all sorts of other issues. 1.00

03:17:49.900 Same with men. 0.99

03:17:50.280 Do you not have that? 1.00

03:17:50.300 You don't have the, oh, my dick is bigger than yours. 1.00

03:17:52.140 Like, I sell more than yours. 1.00

03:17:53.340 Then let's test this, okay?

03:17:56.160 Do you think that at all-female private schools versus all-male private schools, there's more complaints from the students who are men or more complaints from the students who are girls?

03:18:06.160 I just...

03:18:07.280 If you had to guess.

03:18:08.900 Probably.

03:18:09.600 Probably the girls. 0.99

03:18:10.660 Why not?

03:18:11.380 Wait.

03:18:12.160 Wait.

03:18:13.180 Why do you think that?

03:18:14.580 I think that girls are also just more vocal about it, though, their complaints. 1.00

03:18:17.680 So then they're going to cause more...

03:18:20.100 So hang on.

03:18:20.740 Yeah, exactly.

03:18:21.140 Men fight.

03:18:21.440 So wait a second. 0.99

03:18:22.020 So if I have a workforce of men who have complaints but shut their fucking mouths about them versus a workforce of women who have complaints and don't, which one would I want to hire? 0.99

03:18:30.680 Yeah, but I think the all-woman workforce and all-men workforce have an equal amount of problems. 1.00

03:18:34.260 They're just different.

03:18:36.480 Yeah, no.

03:18:37.340 If you're saying that one of them's complaining constantly and the other one's not complaining constantly, that's already a huge problem.

03:18:44.140 I don't think it's kind of a subtle type of mind, honestly.

03:18:46.300 The workforce, I think there's some level of professionality that women have when it comes to working, that they're just not going to be sitting there complaining 24-7. 1.00

03:18:53.200 Really?

03:18:53.760 Well, let me ask you a question.

03:18:54.660 A competent woman, yes.

03:18:55.640 Let me ask you a question.

03:18:56.820 Like, give me your honest answer.

03:18:59.500 Okay?

03:19:00.440 Let's assume you had two different offices that you could choose from.

03:19:05.340 One office employed 300 women.

03:19:08.340 The other office employed 299 men and you.

03:19:13.060 Two, okay, 299 men plus you.

03:19:16.300 Which office would you prefer to work at?

03:19:20.760 Which one's better?

03:19:21.820 Or are you saying they're equal?

03:19:22.520 They're equal.

03:19:24.060 They give you the same pay, right?

03:19:27.300 I just, I don't think it really matters.

03:19:29.440 I mean, at that point, it would be which one I would be happier with.

03:19:32.000 Yeah, which one do you think you'd be happier with?

03:19:35.320 Depends on who the boss is.

03:19:37.100 The boss is a man in one. 0.50

03:19:38.920 In both cases?

03:19:39.400 No, in the other one, it's a woman.

03:19:40.540 I don't really think there's a difference to me.

03:19:44.120 No?

03:19:44.440 You wouldn't care?

03:19:44.980 I wouldn't care at all, no.

03:19:45.540 There would be no preference?

03:19:47.100 I mean, maybe if, like, the male one, because I'd feel like, oh, you know, I'm kind of special.

03:19:50.840 But, like, that's it, because I'm the only woman that was hired.

03:19:53.020 Like, I'm, you know.

03:19:54.100 But, like, besides that. 1.00

03:19:54.620 And you don't think that that would have anything to do with the fact that there would be way less catty bullshit, backstabbing, bitching, whining, complaining, telling you all about how she's a mean bitch. 1.00

03:20:04.220 The second she walks out of the room to you, and you have drama clicks all over the place. 1.00

03:20:08.720 I don't disagree with that.

03:20:09.840 What I'm saying, those men have equal issues.

03:20:12.520 No.

03:20:13.380 Just in different ways.

03:20:13.920 Here's what happens on a construction.

03:20:15.200 Well, if you're one woman with a bunch of men, like, you're going to... 1.00

03:20:17.060 I would feel way more comfortable with a bunch of women. 1.00

03:20:19.600 I would feel more connected to them.

03:20:21.420 I would work better.

03:20:22.380 I would be more motivated.

03:20:24.060 Here's what happens on a construction site, right, or something like this. 0.99

03:20:28.020 They're all fucking exhausted from working their asses off, and they don't have time to whine and complain and click and do all that shit. 0.99

03:20:34.140 They just don't. 0.99

03:20:35.320 Inside of office spaces, sales spaces, things like that, yeah, there's a bit of that for men. 1.00

03:20:40.200 But to say it's anywhere on par like it is for women, you talk to women who are in these sales jobs, and they're like, oh, my God, these fucking bitches are awful. 1.00

03:20:48.020 They're backstabbers. 1.00

03:20:49.160 They're connivers.

03:20:50.080 They click up.

03:20:51.120 If you're not part of the click, they're just horrible and sufferable.

03:20:55.120 But I think that's, like, putting a very, like, big stigma on women. 0.99

03:20:59.160 I don't think, especially in a workforce.

03:20:59.960 It is putting a very big stigma on, but the question is whether or not the stigma is deserved.

03:21:04.400 I think no.

03:21:06.160 I think especially that's, like, one thing that I would say I disagree with.

03:21:09.020 The podcast, the women that are selected to usually be on this podcast are somewhat kind of like that and represent a different kind of, like, the more problematic side of women, 1.00

03:21:18.300 which I agree a large majority of women can be problematic. 1.00

03:21:20.720 Have you ever talked to a hairstylist before?

03:21:23.040 I mean, yes.

03:21:24.480 Well, have they ever told you what it's like to work in the beauty industry?

03:21:28.940 I got my hair done three days ago. 0.99

03:21:30.620 She was talking to me about how all the sororities girls come in, and they talk shit on each other, and she just hears it. 1.00

03:21:35.600 All day. 1.00

03:21:36.280 All day.

03:21:36.860 Every day.

03:21:37.360 I'm not disagreeing with that at all.

03:21:39.100 But that's the thing.

03:21:39.940 That's why the stigma exists.

03:21:41.700 The stigma exists specifically because of the application.

03:21:46.320 So what I'm saying to you is, if she's willing to cross the street based on her sexism, there's this low percentage of men who are actually predatory.

03:21:54.740 In fact, almost every man you walk by in the middle of the night is not going to do anything to you.

03:21:59.600 Do I blame you for crossing the street, though?

03:22:01.700 Not really.

03:22:02.880 Not really.

03:22:03.560 Because I can understand, I can rationalize in my brain why a woman would want to do that. 1.00

03:22:08.580 And I'd recommend to my wife to do it. 0.82

03:22:10.080 She's walking down the street in the middle of the night under some circumstance across the street.

03:22:13.660 Do you have a wife?

03:22:14.200 Totally rational.

03:22:15.060 Yes, I have a wife.

03:22:16.180 Totally rational to me.

03:22:17.700 Okay.

03:22:17.820 But it's equally rational to me then to say, okay, if I had a firm, right, and there was some inbuilt sexism based around the stigma, would it be rational for me to only want to hire men?

03:22:30.680 I think it's rational to say I only would want to hire men.

03:22:33.660 I don't think it's immoral that a person would move down that thought pattern of I'll only hire X based on social stigmas, which can cause serious problems to their business for their own protection.

03:22:48.380 That's all I'm saying.

03:22:49.540 Yeah.

03:22:50.080 I don't even disagree that the stigma is not partially deserved.

03:22:53.500 It is.

03:22:53.900 I'll be the first to admit it.

03:22:55.780 All of us have gone through high school.

03:22:57.340 You know what girls are right there. 1.00

03:22:59.220 It's partially deserved, but I think it's... 1.00

03:23:01.480 It's that mean girl shit, right? 1.00

03:23:02.740 Yeah. 1.00

03:23:02.840 I mean, I don't disagree with it, but I also think that there's a good majority of girls that aren't like that.

03:23:08.920 There's plenty of men with the mean girl mentality, too.

03:23:11.560 I mean, I work with, I would say, equally men and women, and usually it's the men that are starting the problems, and all the women that I work with have acknowledged this.

03:23:19.820 Like, we're all really, really cool.

03:23:21.600 We have our problems every now and then, but I would say, like, mostly it's the men that are causing problems, and they are just equally as catty.

03:23:30.820 And maybe you're basing this off a standard of men pre-social media, perhaps.

03:23:35.560 But I think with the way that men are socialized today, a lot of them are mean girls.

03:23:42.840 I think it's also a big thing is that men probably have less problems with men than women have with women, if you get what I mean.

03:23:51.240 Totally agree.

03:23:51.940 Like, men and women... 0.96

03:23:52.580 Hang on, so that would be a justification for stigma, though.

03:23:55.860 Yeah, I don't disagree, but also in a workplace where it's men and women, I feel like there'd be less problems than having a full male staff or a full woman staff.

03:24:02.360 Well, then answer me this.

03:24:04.000 Do you think that there's less problems socially, if you send kids to an all-boys school and an all-girls school, than if you put them in a co-ed school?

03:24:11.820 I think co-ed schools have less problems.

03:24:13.660 They don't.

03:24:14.580 Well, additionally...

03:24:15.580 Non-co-ed schools have less problems.

03:24:17.700 That's also because they're private schools, more funding and more...

03:24:20.220 The public schools tend to be...

03:24:21.180 You have private co-ed schools you can compare it to.

03:24:23.660 It would be different kinds of problems, though.

03:24:25.060 It's different kinds of problems.

03:24:26.460 Okay, let's go through what you think these different problems would be. 0.99

03:24:29.100 I think women tend to, yes, have more catty drama and play more of a mental game with each other, but men are more likely to have physical altercations over something stupid. 1.00

03:24:38.380 Yeah, but men like that shit. 1.00

03:24:39.740 Exactly, and women like... 1.00

03:24:40.900 Women like it, too. 1.00

03:24:41.640 I think that's...

03:24:42.440 I agree.

03:24:43.500 Women like it, too. 1.00

03:24:44.420 They're catty.

03:24:44.860 They like the drama with that.

03:24:45.480 You're right.

03:24:45.780 You're making every point for me right now.

03:24:48.020 I totally agree.

03:24:49.380 We're not disagreeing with you.

03:24:50.120 So, wait.

03:24:50.140 So, men enjoy being violent with each other.

03:24:52.540 Totally agree.

03:24:53.440 Couldn't agree more. 0.99

03:24:54.220 There's a reason the UFC is a gay. 1.00

03:24:54.600 Women like being conniving catty bitches with each other. 1.00

03:24:57.260 Couldn't agree more. 1.00

03:24:58.220 I don't think they all... 0.99

03:24:58.780 I think catty bitches is a little bit absurd. 1.00

03:25:01.500 So, what's the difference... 0.99

03:25:02.460 I'm not sure.

03:25:03.640 Hold on.

03:25:03.920 I want to make a point.

03:25:04.780 What's the difference between me being violent towards a man, but men being violent towards each other and making it okay?

03:25:10.080 They're both bad.

03:25:11.220 They're...

03:25:11.420 Okay, fair enough.

03:25:12.520 But why is that... 1.00

03:25:14.000 Like, you're saying, like, men just like this shit. 1.00

03:25:16.040 Because it's like... 1.00

03:25:16.560 And you're justifying it.

03:25:17.460 Because they're violent by consent.

03:25:19.360 Yeah.

03:25:20.120 There's a reason I think the UFC exists.

03:25:21.740 And as long as they're violent by consent, it's all good with you, right?

03:25:25.800 True.

03:25:26.180 Yeah.

03:25:26.380 You can do whatever you want, as long as it's by consent.

03:25:28.840 So, anyway, the point is, though, is that if I'm looking at the standard of understanding why you would want to cross the street, you'd have that innate sexism, which is put in you, that this person potentially could harm me greatly.

03:25:42.780 Then all I'm saying is that I understand why it is that men would have the same exact feeling, the opposite.

03:25:49.620 This woman could destroy me. 1.00

03:25:51.200 I understand why men would adopt the, I don't go around women without another man or another woman present who I trust.

03:25:57.420 Or I don't go to private lunches with women unless there's a woman with me. 1.00

03:26:01.300 Or I don't go around women without my wife. 1.00

03:26:03.760 I totally understand that.

03:26:05.160 It makes a lot of sense to me.

03:26:06.500 It does make more sense to me now.

03:26:09.680 I mean, I guess it was not something I had ever thought of.

03:26:11.960 Yeah.

03:26:12.100 But having this conversation, I definitely, like, there's things connecting in my brain that I'm like, ooh, that is really interesting.

03:26:17.680 And, like, not a perspective I've thought of before.

03:26:19.480 I think it makes me.

03:26:21.020 Yeah, once you absent the propaganda and you just have the conversation.

03:26:24.560 Yeah, yeah.

03:26:24.640 It's interesting how you say that.

03:26:25.820 Yeah, it is interesting.

03:26:28.220 I think as a woman who has broken out of that, like, caddy, like, because I was, I was, I would say, like, as in high school, I would, like, say that I was one of those mean girls I was trying to get at the top of this food chain, whatever.

03:26:41.220 And since growing out of that, leading people.

03:26:42.900 It's super highly competitive, too, right?

03:26:44.640 Oh, so competitive.

03:26:45.680 I don't think I won.

03:26:47.340 But, like, I went through a lot of growth, especially in my early 20s.

03:26:51.240 I, like, moved away, you know, and it's like I went on a very, like, spiritual path of growth out in nature.

03:26:57.000 And, like, so hearing that, like, it is disheartening only the fact that, like, I don't believe that in a workplace I would cause problems.

03:27:03.320 That, like, let's say that would be, like, my dream job.

03:27:05.380 But, like, someone is only going to be hiring men.

03:27:08.320 I'd be like, no way.

03:27:09.220 But, like, I promise I'm not going to come.

03:27:10.620 Like, I wish that I would still be able to get that chance to prove myself.

03:27:13.880 Sure.

03:27:14.300 You know?

03:27:15.300 That's the only thing.

03:27:16.040 But I do understand what you're saying.

03:27:17.040 Yeah, I understand.

03:27:17.740 But that would be the same way that the men walking down the street who were just walking over to talk to you.

03:27:21.700 He's like, I just want to prove to you.

03:27:23.220 I just want to prove to you that I'm not a horrible predator.

03:27:25.680 And I, like, have my.

03:27:26.280 Yeah, you've got your mace ready, everything else, right?

03:27:28.720 Right.

03:27:28.840 But I was just trying to prove.

03:27:29.680 And you would rather go, I could let you prove it and take the risk.

03:27:32.800 Right. 1.00

03:27:33.300 Or I can cross the fucking street. 0.99

03:27:34.680 That is really interesting. 0.99

03:27:36.320 I'm, like, that's really interesting.

03:27:37.980 That was actually, it was fantastic.

03:27:39.560 Yeah, that was good.

03:27:40.560 Argumentation by Andrew.

03:27:42.420 Shout out to us.

03:27:43.440 Yeah, two things really quick.

03:27:44.740 Then we'll get into the next topic.

03:27:46.400 Nick, could you pull up the view counter?

03:27:47.640 We haven't done that in a while.

03:27:48.820 Guys, there are.

03:27:50.980 How many we got?

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03:28:27.200 Guys, I think the prime is bugged.

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03:28:55.220 Son of Vulcan.

03:28:56.240 Could be.

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03:30:20.720 All right, guys.

03:30:21.400 Not you.

03:30:21.820 He did terrible.

03:30:22.640 But she did good. 0.99

03:30:23.880 Oh, no.

03:30:25.640 All right.

03:30:26.480 Maybe she needs a chorus. 1.00

03:30:27.480 She could have laughed.

03:30:28.420 You know, she could have laughed.

03:30:29.060 I think a...

03:30:30.080 Total icebreaker.

03:30:31.280 I think a good transition point here based off of the previous conversation.

03:30:36.620 Here's the scenario.

03:30:37.980 Would you rather be...

03:30:39.540 So here's the scenario, right?

03:30:42.740 Would you rather be alone in a forest with a random man or a random bear, but...

03:30:48.980 So you get randomly dropped.

03:30:51.180 You get randomly dropped.

03:30:53.360 Spawned.

03:30:53.980 Randomly spawned.

03:30:54.780 Spawned.

03:30:54.980 Spawned.

03:30:55.280 Good word.

03:30:55.840 You get randomly spawned in a forest.

03:30:58.780 And it's either a totally random bear or a totally random man.

03:31:01.460 So the man...

03:31:02.220 Why is he in the forest?

03:31:03.480 Not really part of the equation.

03:31:05.560 Why is he alone?

03:31:06.180 Not part of the equation.

03:31:07.520 Just a random man plucked from the United States.

03:31:10.640 Only the U.S.

03:31:11.740 Only the U.S.

03:31:12.560 Yes.

03:31:12.760 Oh, my God.

03:31:13.060 Only the U.S.

03:31:13.740 What was the other thing in the forest?

03:31:15.360 Did you say a bear?

03:31:15.660 Or a bear.

03:31:16.260 So you pick between a random man...

03:31:17.820 I feel like a bear would be cute.

03:31:18.500 Or a random bear.

03:31:19.460 So hold...

03:31:20.540 Oh, okay.

03:31:20.860 Go ahead.

03:31:21.320 What's your question?

03:31:22.020 Is it like how big is this...

03:31:22.500 Into the mic.

03:31:23.320 How big is this bear?

03:31:24.660 Yeah, random.

03:31:25.640 Random.

03:31:26.000 Random.

03:31:26.400 So it could be like a cub.

03:31:27.560 It could be a baby bear.

03:31:28.360 Adult is going to be... 0.78

03:31:29.160 Cubs are still bashing.

03:31:29.900 No, no, no.

03:31:30.440 Hold on.

03:31:30.880 It's going to be an adult man or adult bear.

03:31:32.680 Okay.

03:31:32.920 But it could be a black bear.

03:31:34.340 It could be a grizzly bear, brown bear.

03:31:37.080 Polar.

03:31:37.460 Polar bear.

03:31:38.320 Sure.

03:31:38.840 It can even be a polar bear.

03:31:40.840 So starting with you, which do you pick?

03:31:43.740 Man.

03:31:44.500 Okay.

03:31:45.380 I'll probably go with a man, yeah.

03:31:48.260 As someone who goes out on solo trips out in nature, I feel that I could see both scenarios.

03:31:55.180 You guys all know Pocahontas, okay?

03:31:58.460 And brother bear.

03:31:59.660 No, I really would want to try and connect with a bear, though, on a soul level.

03:32:04.760 I really would do that.

03:32:06.200 You guys are giving me the looks like I'm the craziest person of mine.

03:32:08.720 Actually, I've heard of this before.

03:32:13.260 Let me see if I get it correct.

03:32:15.700 Okay.

03:32:16.300 You can picture things in your head and then tell that to the animal.

03:32:21.620 Like a dolphin, for instance, perhaps.

03:32:25.500 Like telepathy, you mean?

03:32:26.620 Mm-hmm.

03:32:27.900 More like just obviously you can't communicate with words, you know what I'm saying?

03:32:32.540 Yeah.

03:32:32.600 But like being in the same energy.

03:32:35.740 Like it's like we all talk to our dogs, you know what I'm saying?

03:32:37.360 Like my dog can understand things, not every word that I'm saying.

03:32:42.040 But like me and my dog have a connection.

03:32:43.880 I'm saying I would like for humans to like rebuild our connection with these other animals.

03:32:49.980 That like that would be my reasoning for being like that could be interesting.

03:32:52.880 But like in terms of survival, I would pick a male human.

03:32:56.180 But hang on because you brought up something else interesting I got to ask about.

03:32:59.000 Yeah.

03:32:59.260 Do you feel like you can have such a connection with an animal that the animal can actually

03:33:05.580 in a way speak to you?

03:33:07.440 Like bond.

03:33:08.440 Yeah.

03:33:10.220 I believe so.

03:33:11.320 I believe I have a bond with my dog.

03:33:12.840 It's never been with words or her barking, you know what I'm saying?

03:33:15.100 But like I believe that there is a love between us.

03:33:17.740 Do you think that through this type of medium of communication that you can create consent

03:33:23.860 between animals and humans?

03:33:27.440 Like consent as in like please don't kill me bear like that?

03:33:31.320 Sure.

03:33:34.300 No, only because let's say a cub comes along or like something.

03:33:39.280 Like as soon as their instincts kick in, that animal could then obviously turn and be like

03:33:44.320 I'm protecting my cub and kill me.

03:33:45.940 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

03:33:46.360 Even if you've built up this.

03:33:47.660 I just like being around animals.

03:33:49.660 I want to witness them more in nature.

03:33:51.280 That would be more.

03:33:52.040 So you can't actually talk to them through telepathy?

03:33:55.420 Or can you?

03:33:57.180 No.

03:33:58.100 I think you can connect those soul to soul.

03:34:00.460 I think I could look in an animal's eyes and like feel their essence.

03:34:04.540 I believe that.

03:34:06.000 Yeah.

03:34:06.420 I mean I'm even willing to grant that.

03:34:08.320 Yeah.

03:34:08.520 But I'm just not sure what that means exactly.

03:34:11.220 You know what I mean?

03:34:11.640 Yeah.

03:34:12.800 Like even with trees though.

03:34:15.280 Like trees are alive.

03:34:16.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:34:16.420 You could be touched by a tree or a field and like you can get an essence or like a – the

03:34:23.360 only way I can think of is like a vibe.

03:34:24.720 You know what I'm saying?

03:34:25.380 Like just like wow or like be touched by something.

03:34:27.640 Well, I understand you can partake in the essence of something.

03:34:29.740 Yeah.

03:34:30.180 I get what that means.

03:34:31.680 That's a religious – deeply religiously rooted concept.

03:34:34.340 Yeah.

03:34:34.960 I understand that.

03:34:36.280 Yes.

03:34:37.320 It's what that means exactly.

03:34:39.340 Like what can you do with that?

03:34:41.020 Right.

03:34:41.480 Well, I think –

03:34:42.960 But can you make the tree grow different ways?

03:34:49.720 No.

03:34:50.200 No.

03:34:51.040 No.

03:34:51.480 No.

03:34:51.800 No.

03:34:52.160 No.

03:34:52.580 No.

03:34:52.900 I think you can transform your own self-awareness though or your awareness of like your consciousness

03:34:57.840 next to other consciousness.

03:34:59.400 You know what I'm saying?

03:34:59.960 Or like just – like I've had deeply profound experiences in nature.

03:35:05.480 You're just in the desert.

03:35:06.400 I'm by myself.

03:35:07.040 I'm sitting on a rock and I'm like becoming acutely aware of my awareness.

03:35:09.640 But were you doing drugs?

03:35:10.620 The truth.

03:35:10.880 No.

03:35:11.320 Not –

03:35:11.960 No.

03:35:12.860 No psychedelics ever?

03:35:13.860 No.

03:35:14.280 You've never done any psychedelics?

03:35:15.720 Oh, I have.

03:35:16.180 I have.

03:35:16.480 I knew you did.

03:35:18.180 I went – yeah.

03:35:20.420 I did –

03:35:20.940 Did you see the DMT elves?

03:35:22.660 I've never done DMT.

03:35:23.980 I did shrooms once when I was 18 and that was –

03:35:27.440 Oh, okay.

03:35:27.880 It was like a crazy – yeah, that was a whole thing.

03:35:29.760 And then like I microdosed on shrooms a few times, but like these experiences were all

03:35:34.100 my solo trips out in nature from the summer to the summer.

03:35:36.300 I'm sorry.

03:35:36.640 I do have to interrupt.

03:35:37.760 I'm sorry.

03:35:38.020 I do have to interrupt.

03:35:39.000 Let's get back to the question here.

03:35:40.660 It's my fault.

03:35:41.120 It's okay.

03:35:41.420 It's okay.

03:35:41.820 Yeah.

03:35:42.540 Sorry.

03:35:43.100 What was the –

03:35:44.520 Bear or man?

03:35:45.920 Oh, that question.

03:35:47.140 Yeah.

03:35:49.080 So long ago.

03:35:52.380 For survival, I'm going to go with a male human. 1.00

03:35:55.160 Oh, I would say man.

03:36:00.800 Yeah.

03:36:02.560 Okay.

03:36:05.040 Because I love to talk to random people and it would never be boring when it was with

03:36:11.400 a stranger.

03:36:12.760 Mm-hmm.

03:36:13.520 I'm going to go man too.

03:36:15.320 Same.

03:36:16.260 Man.

03:36:17.640 Hmm.

03:36:18.220 All man. 0.87

03:36:18.940 Nobody said bear.

03:36:20.880 Because like even a man, you can defend yourself against a man to some extent.

03:36:23.920 You're not defending yourself against a bear at the end of the day.

03:36:25.880 I was actually thinking about this very thing you just said because we have so many people

03:36:30.280 answer man.

03:36:32.000 But the question is random man, random bear, right?

03:36:34.880 But if you had a random man, actually the chances that you would get a man who is really

03:36:39.880 physically fit and in the prime of their life would not be very high.

03:36:43.060 Very slim.

03:36:43.880 Yeah.

03:36:43.980 It would not actually be very high.

03:36:45.760 And the chances that you would get a bear that can kill you is way higher.

03:36:50.460 Way higher.

03:36:51.240 I was also thinking from the means, like, I'm taller than most men.

03:36:54.260 Like, is it so?

03:36:55.060 Like, I feel like I have to be the bandage here.

03:36:58.140 Yeah.

03:36:58.440 The chances that you would get randomly selected, since you have an aging population, which far

03:37:03.700 outnumbers now the non-aging population, the chance that you would get a man prime of 0.98

03:37:08.840 his life, physically fit, and wanted to do you harm for no particularly good reason

03:37:14.380 is super low.

03:37:16.240 Right.

03:37:16.620 Like, that would be super low, whereas with the bear, the chances that if you were in

03:37:21.300 a confined space with a bear, confined, even a forest.

03:37:24.340 Your dinner.

03:37:25.180 Yeah.

03:37:25.620 You could see dinner, you know?

03:37:26.860 And maybe you could vibe with the bear.

03:37:27.780 I do, Andrew.

03:37:28.520 I do want to show you a video that we can perhaps pull up another time, and you can tell me if

03:37:31.900 you think this would be a good argument to make for future shows.

03:37:35.160 So, Nick, just play the video really quick, and I'll give the context for why I would show

03:37:39.200 this specific video.

03:37:40.120 So, just this segment here, when there's people, like, slowly moving in a car, and there's

03:37:45.980 just, like, a bear kind of chilling, and then that's pretty much the extent of the segment,

03:37:52.200 and, like, I think the way I would frame the argument, I know nobody here picked bear,

03:37:57.420 would be, well, if it was just a random man in place of that bear, would you be more likely

03:38:03.620 to exit the vehicle if it's that bear who's just strolling along in that car, right, or

03:38:11.600 just if it's a random man?

03:38:16.040 You're absolutely way more likely to get out of the car if it was a man than that bear.

03:38:19.940 Right.

03:38:20.140 Absolutely.

03:38:21.060 I'm thinking in that specific area where you're in the car.

03:38:24.800 Well, you should just put up a, what you should do if you want it to really hit home,

03:38:29.260 get another video of just a random guy walking across the street in the same scenario.

03:38:33.720 Be like, which one would you get out of the car for?

03:38:36.040 But I would think most people, if they're in a car, if they're in a car, they would feel

03:38:41.160 far less safe exiting the vehicle in that scenario if it's just, like, stack of cars, whatever,

03:38:49.660 and the bear just walks by.

03:38:52.020 I don't know.

03:38:53.280 I thought that might be a good video for future episodes, but let me read a couple chats here.

03:38:58.200 We have, let me start with the Streamlabs ones.

03:39:01.080 We have, I think we should have the Austrian girl read.

03:39:06.760 And your name's Enya, right?

03:39:09.000 Yes.

03:39:09.420 Are you named after the band?

03:39:13.240 Enya?

03:39:14.120 Or is that, no, she's a musical artist.

03:39:16.560 I think that's one.

03:39:17.160 Actually, yes.

03:39:17.780 You're named after her?

03:39:18.720 Yeah.

03:39:19.300 What's her, Sail Away? 1.00

03:39:21.580 Is that one of the songs?

03:39:22.440 What's the other one?

03:39:24.400 That's such an awful song.

03:39:26.060 It's a terrible song.

03:39:26.900 Don't, hey, don't doggone, Enya, Andrew.

03:39:31.400 There's Caribbean Blue.

03:39:32.900 What's her other banger?

03:39:34.200 Hold on.

03:39:34.760 Enya?

03:39:35.100 That's been in, like, every grocery store in the 90s forever.

03:39:37.900 Only time.

03:39:38.520 Oh, there's only time, Orinoco Flow.

03:39:42.400 Wait.

03:39:43.100 Yeah.

03:39:43.840 Only time, Orinoco Flow, Caribbean Blue.

03:39:47.260 Anyways, okay.

03:39:48.240 So we're going to have you read.

03:39:49.700 You get to read, right?

03:39:50.780 You're here to learn English.

03:39:52.540 We're going to practice your English reading.

03:39:55.060 So you read that.

03:39:57.480 Go ahead.

03:39:58.240 The delusion.

03:40:00.240 You got it.

03:40:00.940 Yeah, you have that.

03:40:01.620 You got it.

03:40:02.200 You got it.

03:40:02.620 Or wait.

03:40:03.380 Oh, yeah.

03:40:03.700 I can barely read it, too.

03:40:05.700 The delusional.

03:40:08.080 You got to do it into the mic.

03:40:09.800 Speak into the mic.

03:40:11.060 Sorry. 1.00

03:40:12.340 The delusional redhead is only a dumb because men allow you to be a dumb. 1.00

03:40:19.840 You're, I don't know how that is. 1.00

03:40:22.300 I don't know why I keep it.

03:40:23.460 Sudon.

03:40:24.220 You got it.

03:40:27.360 Sudon.

03:40:27.880 This is obviously very, it's advanced English.

03:40:29.960 Overestimates their position and value.

03:40:32.840 Everything you know was built by men. 0.97

03:40:35.300 Well done.

03:40:35.820 That was really good.

03:40:36.340 That was good.

03:40:36.840 Yeah.

03:40:38.340 EF classes are paying off.

03:40:40.400 All right.

03:40:41.100 We have.

03:40:41.340 I feel like for two days.

03:40:42.700 Oh, okay.

03:40:43.860 Thank you, Gillies.

03:40:45.740 And then we have SS. 0.89

03:40:46.580 SS, please no World War II references, please.

03:40:50.660 Okay.

03:40:51.380 Go ahead.

03:40:52.940 My life is settled, married, self-employed, so I'm not in the pool of marketing myself

03:40:59.160 for gold.

03:41:00.340 Diggers guessing you are a single, not laid to get in shape morally and physically.

03:41:06.900 Wait. 1.00

03:41:07.480 Damn. 1.00

03:41:07.760 And then the last part, you missed it? 1.00

03:41:09.480 Yeah, because of this.

03:41:10.960 Oh, there's the last part?

03:41:12.000 Like this part?

03:41:13.320 This part.

03:41:15.040 Dot.

03:41:16.000 What?

03:41:16.780 This is Sparta!

03:41:20.400 It's too far away.

03:41:21.460 No, it's okay.

03:41:22.140 You're doing good.

03:41:23.000 I'm wondering if there's a way we can, wait, Nick, so you can actually just quickly resize

03:41:26.740 it, I think.

03:41:28.060 And then you would just control Z it.

03:41:30.640 So just like shift and then go into the corner.

03:41:34.220 No, shift.

03:41:35.660 Hold shift.

03:41:36.300 Shift.

03:41:36.900 And then put the mouse over the corner.

03:41:40.460 Red dot.

03:41:42.260 This one?

03:41:42.880 Yep.

03:41:43.120 And then just hold, make it bigger.

03:41:48.460 That might help.

03:41:49.860 Maybe.

03:41:50.860 I'm not sure, though.

03:41:51.580 We'll see.

03:41:53.420 You might have to, okay. 1.00

03:41:56.760 God damn, that was a tip. 0.99

03:41:58.040 Are you sure you're holding shift, sir? 0.99

03:42:01.640 Maybe control shift?

03:42:03.040 Try control shift?

03:42:07.480 Scuffed?

03:42:07.920 Do you want to resize that?

03:42:15.780 Are you talking to George?

03:42:17.200 Mm-hmm.

03:42:18.120 Isn't it shift to, like, make it so it doesn't change the, uh...

03:42:21.480 I'm not doing that shift.

03:42:25.520 Just try it.

03:42:27.220 Just try it.

03:42:27.660 Oh.

03:42:31.040 Yeah, there you go.

03:42:31.360 So shift, bro, that's weird.

03:42:32.760 Yeah.

03:42:32.940 Normally shift will, okay.

03:42:34.780 Uh, all right, we're gonna have you read this one.

03:42:36.920 If you're OBS guy, my OBS guy.

03:42:40.240 Um, I will say, I will, things I don't agree with because it may make me money.

03:42:45.860 Regardless of the damage it does on others. 1.00

03:42:49.260 Oh, fuck. 1.00

03:42:51.860 You changed it in the wrong one. 1.00

03:42:54.920 Okay, can you put it, just control Z.

03:42:57.820 Control Z.

03:42:58.700 Okay, now do it.

03:42:59.680 Okay, go ahead.

03:43:00.400 One more time.

03:43:01.400 Sorry, guys, we're trying to get her some, like, English in.

03:43:04.480 We've teamed up with EF to...

03:43:06.920 Is a sponsor.

03:43:08.820 We've teamed up with EF to help people learn English.

03:43:12.540 Okay.

03:43:13.060 All right, let's try now.

03:43:14.040 Because I have no values, and money is my only God, because I have no virtue.

03:43:21.120 Thank you, Giovanni C.

03:43:22.520 Appreciate it.

03:43:23.660 Read by the, uh, the, uh, wonderful Enya.

03:43:27.520 Okay, we have Robert Tanner here coming in in just a sec.

03:43:32.420 Thank you, Giovanni.

03:43:33.680 Appreciate it.

03:43:34.600 Go ahead.

03:43:35.560 Andrew, can you please, back to, about objective truth.

03:43:39.180 This is a huge comment, and hard of much of these arguments.

03:43:45.140 Subjective, reality, we all perish.

03:43:47.720 Look at the, how do we say that?

03:43:50.000 Nazis.

03:43:50.620 Wait, you don't know this one?

03:43:51.500 Yeah, I know, but I don't know how to speak correctly.

03:43:54.800 Who felt their truth was correct.

03:43:56.860 You can switch it back, Nick.

03:43:59.160 That's awful.

03:44:00.940 That was crazy.

03:44:05.300 Andrew?

03:44:05.740 Uh, well, you can, but I'm not trying to make these streams, uh, philosophy heavy.

03:44:12.060 So, we're just trying to get into the ideas around dating and this type of thing.

03:44:15.520 Sometimes a bit of philosophy comes up, but I don't think you want to get into objective

03:44:19.280 versus subjective morality in a dating podcast.

03:44:21.880 Probably not the best idea.

03:44:24.340 Save them for debates.

03:44:26.400 In any case, Robert Tanner, thank you for the message, and thank you for your, uh, I think

03:44:30.360 you sent in, sent in previously some gifted, uh, memberships on YouTube.

03:44:34.660 So, thank you, man.

03:44:35.160 We have Jess White here. 0.94

03:44:36.500 Are you able to see this one okay?

03:44:38.020 Yeah, it's okay.

03:44:38.880 Someone get red a pineapple to sit on. 1.00

03:44:41.500 She needs a break from her head being stuffed so far up there. 0.94

03:44:46.580 A3 at most with an ugly attitude. 0.92

03:44:49.840 She will be alone with her cats like the rest.

03:44:52.680 Only time will tell.

03:44:54.220 Do you have cats?

03:44:55.180 I do.

03:44:55.600 I have two.

03:44:57.320 Hey, I have two cats.

03:44:58.600 Wait, Nick, why did you play that, bro?

03:45:07.180 But also a wife and kids.

03:45:10.260 Um, okay.

03:45:11.340 All right.

03:45:11.840 Jess White.

03:45:12.780 Shout out to Australia.

03:45:14.980 She is from Australia, Andrew.

03:45:17.140 Just saying.

03:45:17.800 Uh-huh.

03:45:18.260 Sure.

03:45:18.940 Okay.

03:45:19.560 Just thought I'd let you know.

03:45:20.740 Who is?

03:45:21.480 Jess.

03:45:22.260 The one.

03:45:22.780 Okay.

03:45:23.000 Do you have any Australian currency?

03:45:25.540 Any?

03:45:26.200 Any?

03:45:26.960 Any Australian currency on you?

03:45:29.740 I don't know what we're talking about.

03:45:31.860 Okay.

03:45:32.300 Let's get into it.

03:45:33.240 Let's.

03:45:33.440 I'm going to try to get through all the show.

03:45:35.100 They never have Australian currency.

03:45:36.720 We have.

03:45:39.500 What's that, Nick?

03:45:40.180 Dating apps.

03:45:41.060 Oh, dating apps.

03:45:41.800 We have got people's dating apps.

03:45:44.360 We'll get to those, guys.

03:45:45.400 So, we have some dating apps from the girls that we'll review.

03:45:47.920 We'll get into that a little bit later.

03:45:49.620 So, let's see here.

03:45:51.020 Why don't we go to Courtney.

03:45:52.080 Courtney, you're a stand-up comedian.

03:45:53.620 Yeah.

03:45:53.780 You wanted to talk about, or I don't know if you wanted to talk about dating as a bi woman.

03:45:59.500 In any case, you said it's rough out here.

03:46:01.280 You got to really advocate for yourself and stay safe. 0.99

03:46:05.620 Guys lie about shit, and they for sure don't get tested regularly. 0.99

03:46:10.240 I don't think it's just guys. 1.00

03:46:11.300 I just think, like, if you're going to sleep with someone, you can't trust on faith that they're being honest about whether they're clean.

03:46:18.960 or not.

03:46:19.940 Sure.

03:46:20.520 That's kind of.

03:46:21.120 That's valid.

03:46:21.800 Yeah.

03:46:22.160 That's fair.

03:46:22.860 You said that you, oh, wait.

03:46:25.920 My notes did not update.

03:46:27.340 That's unfortunate.

03:46:29.780 I'm going to have to pull it up via Instagram.

03:46:32.000 Did anybody send me pre-show notes, like, this morning?

03:46:36.000 Oh, no.

03:46:37.440 Mm-mm.

03:46:38.720 Courtney, I know you sent me something.

03:46:40.440 Nobody else.

03:46:41.160 I don't know if it was today.

03:46:41.500 I think it was yesterday.

03:46:42.440 I did yesterday.

03:46:43.440 Where do you do stand-up?

03:46:45.500 Anywhere I can.

03:46:47.640 Locally, there's a lot of spots in Santa Barbara.

03:46:50.100 I've traveled as far as, like, Templeton and Tuscadero.

03:46:54.080 Done some festivals.

03:46:56.580 Long Beach, LA.

03:46:58.440 You think female comedians are as funny as male comedians? 1.00

03:47:01.200 I think it depends on the comedian.

03:47:03.600 Just on average.

03:47:04.880 I don't think there are as many female comedians. 1.00

03:47:08.440 That's why we would use the average.

03:47:09.760 Yeah, I'd say so, from what I've seen.

03:47:16.600 Okay.

03:47:17.580 I feel like a lot of, like, women comedians, it's more laughing at. 1.00

03:47:20.720 Like, they kind of subject themselves to being laughing at.

03:47:23.820 And, like, male comedians, it's actual.

03:47:25.180 So here's my ultimate question to prove if this is true or not.

03:47:29.360 Just from my perspective. 0.99

03:47:31.720 In any part of your bit, or your act, right, do you bring up your vagina? 0.99

03:47:37.440 Um, there's some bits, sure. 0.99

03:47:42.160 Every single time.

03:47:43.380 Every time, well, every time I tune in to a female comic, they're always talking about 0.99

03:47:48.300 their, I have no idea why.

03:47:49.620 It's not my go-to.

03:47:50.840 Like, I mean, I have, like, files and files of jokes in my head. 0.99

03:47:54.100 Sure, some of them are going to include my vagina. 1.00

03:47:57.260 Like, just as I've seen dudes talk about their dick, I don't really feel like it's... 1.00

03:48:02.340 Yeah, some male comics do. 1.00

03:48:04.760 I've noticed, though, that most of them don't. 1.00

03:48:07.780 Most of them talk about everything but their dick. 0.99

03:48:10.460 You're not in the world, though. 0.99

03:48:11.560 Like, you see what you see on TV.

03:48:13.620 I see, like, everything that nobody sees on TV. 0.99

03:48:18.300 And, like, I can, like, there's a lot of dudes that talk about their dicks. 0.99

03:48:21.980 But... 1.00

03:48:22.300 Kevin Hart always jokes he's Shaq's dick. 1.00

03:48:25.420 Like, his size. 1.00

03:48:27.160 Yeah.

03:48:27.620 I feel like it's pretty even.

03:48:29.000 Kevin Hart's not a very funny comedian.

03:48:31.120 Didn't say he was, I was just saying.

03:48:32.560 Well, anyways, to get into your notes here, so you...

03:48:39.420 Sorry, I just lost it.

03:48:41.200 These stories are probably wild.

03:48:45.120 I don't know why my Dropbox got scuffed.

03:48:47.620 Sorry, guys.

03:48:48.180 Okay.

03:48:48.920 You said that you don't...

03:48:52.960 Not to look past red flags under the guise of being progressive.

03:48:56.720 Oh, God.

03:48:57.420 What does that mean?

03:48:58.300 Uh, that's taken out of a full-ass story.

03:49:01.880 But, uh...

03:49:02.940 So, I dated a guy very briefly who exhibited a lot of red flags very early on.

03:49:11.480 But I was like, that's fine.

03:49:13.700 I'm progressive.

03:49:14.860 So, like, for example, he told me he had four kids.

03:49:17.660 It's like, yeah, he's in his 30s.

03:49:20.060 I understand that anyone I date in my 30s is probably gonna have some kids.

03:49:22.760 So, I was like, I like kids.

03:49:24.940 I could be a stepmom.

03:49:26.200 We can move past it.

03:49:27.640 Then he tells me he has four baby mamas.

03:49:31.060 Yeah.

03:49:31.580 It's a lot of justification that happens.

03:49:33.980 So...

03:49:34.180 Was he black?

03:49:35.040 He was.

03:49:35.680 Oh.

03:49:36.060 Yeah.

03:49:36.500 Yeah.

03:49:37.260 Um...

03:49:37.740 So...

03:49:38.220 What kind of stereotype is that?

03:49:40.280 I mean...

03:49:41.620 Yeah.

03:49:42.000 So, that's all I'm saying is, uh...

03:49:44.560 Like, I...

03:49:47.000 Well, and I have, like...

03:49:47.820 I was working on a bit about this.

03:49:49.760 I was like, it's 2024.

03:49:51.360 Like, you know, you can have four kids.

03:49:53.340 They can be with four different baby mamas. 0.99

03:49:55.000 Like...

03:49:55.480 And then it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

03:49:57.840 So...

03:49:58.840 Yeah.

03:49:59.560 Okay.

03:50:00.140 And you said, uh...

03:50:02.160 Let's see here.

03:50:02.900 Hold on.

03:50:05.460 Tinder isn't what it used to be during the COVID days.

03:50:08.280 And you have a great trope you do about dating how guys are tired.

03:50:13.120 Oh, yeah.

03:50:15.940 So, what's the thing with COVID?

03:50:17.120 What's the thing with...

03:50:18.020 Uh, COVID?

03:50:18.860 I was very successful on dating apps.

03:50:21.420 Perhaps maybe more successful than I've ever been.

03:50:24.120 Although I haven't really been on dating apps historically, like, for long periods of time.

03:50:28.700 I think people were looking...

03:50:30.880 I guess success is what we, you know, define it as.

03:50:34.420 But in terms of, like, getting hookups and meeting people I wanted to meet.

03:50:38.680 And, yeah.

03:50:39.680 I had a lot going on.

03:50:41.340 But that's all.

03:50:41.860 Uh, I probably would not do as well today.

03:50:45.320 Which is fair.

03:50:45.980 And what about guys are tired?

03:50:48.000 Yeah.

03:50:48.460 This is just a joke.

03:50:49.840 Uh...

03:50:50.360 Well, don't tell us it's a joke.

03:50:51.860 I mean...

03:50:52.880 It is.

03:50:53.840 I don't...

03:50:53.980 Okay.

03:50:54.360 All right.

03:50:54.800 Go ahead.

03:50:55.040 Uh, basically, like, if a guy comes first, like, that's okay.

03:51:02.900 You know?

03:51:03.380 Like, he just needs to, like, replace it with something.

03:51:06.480 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:51:06.980 Like, a vibrator, a dildo, like, his big toe. 0.99

03:51:10.260 Like, I don't care. 0.99

03:51:11.560 You know?

03:51:11.820 Just, like, wash your big toe. 1.00

03:51:13.120 Because I'm really sick of getting an athlete's pussy. 1.00

03:51:15.980 There's not, like, a ten act in for that. 1.00

03:51:18.300 You know? 1.00

03:51:19.540 Joke about your vagina. 1.00

03:51:21.180 There you go. 1.00

03:51:21.840 I pulled it out just for you.

03:51:24.020 I pulled it out just for you.

03:51:26.180 Okay.

03:51:27.000 Good times.

03:51:28.000 Good times. 0.74

03:51:28.300 It's fun to bomb here.

03:51:29.480 Because, like, it doesn't bomb in a crowd full of people.

03:51:33.980 But I also don't start it by saying, this is a joke.

03:51:36.680 Well, it's a different setting, you know?

03:51:38.380 So, let's see.

03:51:41.620 Something about the meth guy.

03:51:44.160 Same guy.

03:51:44.680 And the 7-Eleven.

03:51:45.600 That's the four kids, four baby mamas. 0.99

03:51:47.400 Same guy, yeah.

03:51:48.160 Yeah.

03:51:48.840 Okay.

03:51:49.420 What about the murder date?

03:51:50.980 Can you give us the really short version of the murder date?

03:51:53.500 Yeah.

03:51:54.080 Yeah.

03:51:54.340 So, I went on a date with a guy.

03:51:56.340 Anyway, we went to get sushi.

03:52:00.120 The sushi place was closed.

03:52:02.020 So, we took it to go to a second location.

03:52:07.140 He said he, like, did real estate, which he found out later was not actually true.

03:52:13.120 So, I don't know how he knew this property or could get into it.

03:52:17.400 Either way, we drive up, like, a windy-ass road for, like, a long time,

03:52:21.200 which at that point I was starting to get uncomfortable.

03:52:23.240 And he's also just driving kind of, like, maniacally.

03:52:26.340 We get to this house.

03:52:27.720 It's, like, an unfinished house on a hill.

03:52:30.520 I think the intention was, like, to have a, like, kind of romantic sunset date.

03:52:34.520 But I just kept getting, like, terrible feelings.

03:52:37.940 Like, we get there.

03:52:41.900 There's, like, this probably doesn't mean anything.

03:52:44.580 There was, like, a jug of water in the back of his car.

03:52:47.420 And, like, I don't know if there's, like, a shovel on the property or what.

03:52:50.440 But there was, like, some stuff.

03:52:52.060 And so we walk into the house and it's, like, unfinished.

03:52:56.960 It's, like, kind of, like, a spooky room.

03:53:00.240 And I look back and the door is, like, about to close.

03:53:03.660 And I had, like, a panic attack.

03:53:05.100 I was, like, this door closes.

03:53:06.240 Like, this is the last time I'm ever going to see a door, basically.

03:53:08.860 And I just, I freaked out and, like, told him I didn't, you know, to take me back.

03:53:15.460 I didn't want to continue this date.

03:53:17.600 I was really freaked out.

03:53:19.660 You know, and he was, like, I'm a good person.

03:53:22.920 He just kept talking about how he was a good person, which I don't think ever helps in those situations.

03:53:26.700 You know, he's, like, you can ask anyone.

03:53:28.000 I'm a good person.

03:53:28.760 I've worked with homeless people before.

03:53:30.200 And I was, like, can you just give me some space?

03:53:31.800 Like, it just, like, it looked like the scene out of a horror movie.

03:53:36.800 And I, like, saw myself above, like, are you going to get murdered?

03:53:41.000 Like, so, I mean, that's all it was.

03:53:43.400 And it's crazy because I found out later I'd met another girl that he, like, had done this with another girl and, like, taken her to the spot.

03:53:50.700 And it just, it was just weird.

03:53:53.700 It was just very.

03:53:54.480 Was it his house?

03:53:55.600 No, it wasn't.

03:53:56.920 I don't know who, I don't know whose property or if.

03:53:59.640 Did the other one stick it out?

03:54:01.800 Uh, I don't remember.

03:54:04.760 I just remember, like, that beginning conversation about this.

03:54:08.080 Yeah, this guy does this or something.

03:54:10.420 It was just.

03:54:10.940 Well, but.

03:54:11.940 It takes women to a nice picnic spot. 1.00

03:54:14.360 It certainly wasn't.

03:54:15.420 You haven't finished the whole story.

03:54:17.180 No, I know.

03:54:17.240 And I know.

03:54:17.980 And I'm not proud of it because we did hook up later.

03:54:21.540 So that's on me.

03:54:24.480 Very regrettable.

03:54:25.800 But in the moment, I was, like, and maybe that's what made it hot later.

03:54:30.180 I don't know. 0.92

03:54:30.700 It's kind of, like, a weird fucked up thing. 0.97

03:54:32.720 But maybe. 0.92

03:54:35.100 What?

03:54:36.380 Uh, yeah.

03:54:38.040 Not, like, not my proudest hook up, but I felt way safer when I was.

03:54:42.660 Was this the same day that you went down the windy road to the house, spooky house?

03:54:46.920 Yeah.

03:54:47.400 Yeah.

03:54:47.720 Same day?

03:54:48.320 This was all within the same.

03:54:50.160 Yeah.

03:54:51.560 So.

03:54:52.560 Yeah. 1.00

03:54:52.840 You said, you said, of course, my dumb ass ended up hooking up with him anyways. 1.00

03:54:57.000 Yep. 1.00

03:54:58.620 Mid hook up, he says what?

03:55:00.180 Oh, yeah.

03:55:00.640 He called me daddy.

03:55:02.400 I know.

03:55:03.720 Yeah.

03:55:04.640 I'm like, I don't know what about me says daddy.

03:55:07.860 Like.

03:55:08.020 I could see it.

03:55:08.540 That's a good idea.

03:55:10.680 Yeah.

03:55:11.180 And I, like, told him right away.

03:55:12.560 I was like, please don't.

03:55:13.800 I know.

03:55:14.220 I was like, please don't.

03:55:15.760 Wow.

03:55:15.940 Like, please don't.

03:55:17.000 And then he calls me mommy, like, shortly after that.

03:55:20.660 And I was like, do you just have, like, are you little, like. 0.99

03:55:23.580 That's fucking disgusting. 1.00

03:55:25.300 Yeah. 1.00

03:55:25.820 Like, are you orphan Annie?

03:55:27.560 And I'm like, daddy warbucks? 1.00

03:55:28.940 Like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

03:55:30.320 It was wild. 0.99

03:55:31.920 So.

03:55:32.580 He called you daddy?

03:55:33.800 He called me daddy.

03:55:34.720 And then when I told him I didn't like it, he called me mommy.

03:55:36.860 Wait.

03:55:37.140 So you said, I don't like it.

03:55:38.420 Then.

03:55:38.620 Yeah.

03:55:39.020 His.

03:55:40.480 His idea.

03:55:41.760 Let me try the other one.

03:55:42.780 His idea is to try mommy.

03:55:44.840 Yep.

03:55:45.440 He's definitely a gooner.

03:55:46.620 Wait, ladies. 1.00

03:55:47.320 I don't know what a gooner.

03:55:47.600 Which would you prefer?

03:55:48.600 Which would you prefer?

03:55:49.800 Being called daddy or mommy?

03:55:51.620 Is that a question?

03:55:52.740 Mommy?

03:55:53.340 No.

03:55:54.120 I don't know.

03:55:55.200 I basically was like, go back to daddy.

03:55:57.440 How to choose.

03:55:58.900 Jive Anik donated $200.

03:56:01.460 Okay.

03:56:01.700 Why talk about getting porked by some potential serial killer when you have a boyfriend?

03:56:07.240 Do you have zero respect for your man? 0.60

03:56:10.080 Imagine clowning your man like that on a platform with millions watching.

03:56:14.220 They weren't together at the time. 0.99

03:56:15.960 Yeah, that's kind of a dumb point. 0.93

03:56:17.180 I'm on a dating show. 0.93

03:56:18.420 Am I only going to talk about my current relationship?

03:56:20.580 It would be pretty boring. 1.00

03:56:22.160 I mean, she already talked about her vagina. 1.00

03:56:23.900 Right. 0.99

03:56:24.480 That's all I talk about.

03:56:26.180 It's all fair game.

03:56:28.120 Giovanni.

03:56:29.200 Giovanni.

03:56:29.840 Giovanni.

03:56:30.280 Okay, all right.

03:56:32.340 So then he called you daddy.

03:56:35.320 And then you said what to him?

03:56:37.560 I said, I don't like that.

03:56:39.400 I think I said something like, please don't call me that.

03:56:42.200 Oh, right.

03:56:42.840 You already said the orphan anything.

03:56:44.300 Yeah, yeah.

03:56:45.160 And then he texted you again.

03:56:47.980 Don't say anything like that.

03:56:48.920 Yeah, and I said no.

03:56:50.520 Okay.

03:56:50.880 Yeah.

03:56:51.300 Okay, that's an interesting one.

03:56:53.360 And did you continue to date him after?

03:56:55.340 No, that was the one experience I ever had.

03:56:58.160 And that was just it?

03:56:58.980 Yeah, yeah.

03:56:59.780 Like he said, he texted me and asked if I wanted to hang out.

03:57:01.960 I said no.

03:57:02.900 Interesting.

03:57:03.360 I was very ashamed that I hooked up with him.

03:57:06.180 Ashamed.

03:57:06.680 But, you know, we all make mistakes.

03:57:09.820 By the way, Nick, remind me about the dating apps.

03:57:14.500 Make sure I don't forget about those.

03:57:16.280 Going to Rihanna.

03:57:18.960 Is that how you say your name?

03:57:20.020 It's Rihanna. 0.89

03:57:21.200 Rihanna.

03:57:21.560 You have a bachelor's in psychology.

03:57:24.100 Yes.

03:57:24.580 You said hot takes on dating, love, and respect yourself enough to leave at the first red flag.

03:57:29.020 Maybe you two have something in common there.

03:57:31.660 Okay.

03:57:32.520 Definitely at daddy.

03:57:36.100 Yeah, I put the red flag up.

03:57:37.860 That's a big red flag for sure.

03:57:40.060 Tell us about the bowling date.

03:57:41.800 Oh, God.

03:57:42.480 This is so funny.

03:57:44.180 So, I moved to Vegas last summer.

03:57:48.660 I, like, leased a apartment.

03:57:49.700 It was the first time I moved out on my own.

03:57:51.500 I was, like, freshly single.

03:57:52.900 Had some new, like, self-respect and self-worth.

03:57:55.320 So, I'm just, like, you know, dating, going on dates.

03:57:58.660 I had been seeing this guy for, I want to say, maybe, like, almost two months.

03:58:04.560 We, like, made it known that we were, like, exclusively seeing each other.

03:58:07.980 I don't know if we were, like, boyfriend and girlfriend yet.

03:58:10.260 We were, like, oh, we were, like, exclusively seeing each other to see where this goes.

03:58:14.720 And then we were bowling.

03:58:16.420 And he's, like, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom.

03:58:17.920 And I'm, like, okay, sounds good.

03:58:19.040 And I'm, like, doing my bowl.

03:58:19.920 And I'm waiting for him.

03:58:20.780 He, like, comes back with this, like, super bright red face.

03:58:23.120 And he's, like, oh, gosh.

03:58:25.280 Like, he was acting weird.

03:58:26.720 I'm, like, oh, like, what's going on?

03:58:28.740 I've never seen him like this.

03:58:29.540 And he's, like, I just, I drank two beers, like, right before we walked in here.

03:58:34.020 And I'm, like, oh.

03:58:34.900 And I'm, like, that's weird.

03:58:35.880 That doesn't seem like you.

03:58:36.780 Like, I was, like, okay.

03:58:37.280 And then he's, like, and then that's why I, like, I accidentally texted you when I meant to text my brother.

03:58:45.720 And I'm, like, what?

03:58:46.600 And then he's, like, yeah, like, I sent a text.

03:58:48.960 It was supposed to go to my brother, but it went to you.

03:58:51.000 So then he goes out to take his bowl.

03:58:52.020 And I'm, like, okay, like, just now in the bathroom.

03:58:53.820 So I go to my phone.

03:58:55.280 And then the text that he sent to me, which was supposed to go to his brother, quote, said, I can be there at 10 p.m., love.

03:59:02.640 Wait, and how long were you dating him for?

03:59:07.620 We were dating for, like, almost two months.

03:59:10.260 And we had probably, like, I want to say, like, three weeks before that, like, been, like, oh, this is going really well.

03:59:15.440 Like, we're going to exclusively just see each other now.

03:59:18.780 Okay.

03:59:19.480 And then he said, yeah.

03:59:21.520 Okay.

03:59:22.180 And so did you keep seeing him or was that the end?

03:59:24.420 Oh, no, this is actually where it gets funnier on my end, like, just, like, you know, making mistakes, stuff.

03:59:30.980 So I, like, really just have too much trust in people almost.

03:59:35.740 Like, I just believe them when I shouldn't.

03:59:38.100 So I was, well, at first I was, like, oh, we better hurry up this date so you can go get to your 10 p.m., love.

03:59:43.540 And then he was, like, no, like, I really meant to send that to my brother.

03:59:47.320 And I was, like, this is so silly now, too.

03:59:50.340 I'm, like, that's just so crazy.

03:59:51.500 But I was, like, I was, like, look me in my eyes and tell me that you, like, really met every brother.

03:59:56.820 And he's, like, I really met every brother.

03:59:58.120 And I was, like, okay, like, I believe you.

04:00:00.000 And so then I saw him.

04:00:01.620 I never slept with him or anything.

04:00:02.780 We just, like, had only ever made out.

04:00:04.200 That was it.

04:00:04.680 Wait, you guys were dating for two months?

04:00:06.520 Yeah.

04:00:07.200 And you didn't smash?

04:00:09.900 No, didn't smash.

04:00:10.960 But, um.

04:00:12.120 Wait, you had a question?

04:00:13.220 Yeah, you didn't know that he has a brother?

04:00:15.360 No, he.

04:00:16.120 So.

04:00:19.000 Amazing.

04:00:19.360 He had two younger brothers.

04:00:22.040 But the message was not meant for.

04:00:24.720 Right.

04:00:25.400 Yeah.

04:00:25.940 It was for another girl. 0.87

04:00:27.300 Yeah.

04:00:27.480 Yeah.

04:00:27.780 For another.

04:00:29.100 Wait, you got.

04:00:29.920 Y'all were dating. 1.00

04:00:32.080 Oh, shit. 0.99

04:00:33.760 Robert Tanner donated $1,000. 1.00

04:00:36.840 Pop champagne.

04:00:38.800 FYI.

04:00:39.740 Stock market is collapsing and I am making a fortune.

04:00:42.900 Yep.

04:00:43.420 Do not drink champagne.

04:00:45.420 A lot of people soon are going to be unemployed.

04:00:48.420 As I am right now.

04:00:49.980 Help those that are all about to suffer.

04:00:52.420 Can I get, like, a paper or towel or whatever?

04:00:55.820 Yeah.

04:00:56.480 But here's the thing.

04:00:57.380 Hang on, Robert.

04:00:58.320 If I may.

04:00:59.460 If I may make this argument to you for why this is a good thing that the stock market is collapsing.

04:01:04.760 Because we'll probably get Donald Trump in office if it does.

04:01:07.480 We'll probably end up with Donald Trump getting elected if the stock market crashes.

04:01:12.740 So, it's not all bad news, bro.

04:01:15.000 Not all bad news.

04:01:15.560 Hey, Robert Tanner.

04:01:16.540 That's our topic. 1.00

04:01:16.920 You're a fucking legend. 1.00

04:01:19.260 You want Trump? 1.00

04:01:19.500 He's a brave and decent man.

04:01:21.100 I want Trump, too.

04:01:21.220 He's a pioneer.

04:01:22.040 Hell yeah.

04:01:22.820 Trump's great.

04:01:23.480 Wait, you want Trump?

04:01:24.360 No.

04:01:24.880 Oh, okay.

04:01:26.300 Hold on.

04:01:27.060 This is for Robert.

04:01:27.900 Are you a Harris? 1.00

04:01:28.340 I'm a fucking legend. 1.00

04:01:29.760 You're a fucking legend, Tanner. 1.00

04:01:31.540 Yes! 1.00

04:01:32.180 About time I get a fucking lucky break in this fucking game. 1.00

04:01:34.480 About fucking time, bro. 1.00

04:01:35.540 And I clutch the goddamn grenade launcher. 1.00

04:01:37.700 That's fucking right. 1.00

04:01:40.120 All right. 0.98

04:01:40.920 Sorry.

04:01:41.420 It's going to take me a million years to get this open.

04:01:43.580 And you were, wait, telling us how it got funnier?

04:01:47.560 Did you...

04:01:48.240 Oh, the funnier part was the fact that I believed him that it was truly sent to his brother.

04:01:53.000 So, then I still saw him for like a week.

04:01:54.460 But then he did something like he said we had a plan and then he like bailed on me.

04:02:00.040 Wait, hold on.

04:02:00.700 Y'all were exclusive but not having sex?

04:02:04.640 Yeah, I did.

04:02:05.800 Are you religious?

04:02:07.600 No.

04:02:09.160 You wait two months to...

04:02:10.880 I think I wait longer.

04:02:11.960 I've waited four. 1.00

04:02:12.780 What the fuck? 1.00

04:02:13.480 Yeah, I wait a long... 1.00

04:02:15.180 It depends how comfortable I am with someone.

04:02:16.660 I feel like that's why.

04:02:17.360 You're bonding your souls, huh?

04:02:19.360 It takes a while.

04:02:20.120 That's why he's something.

04:02:21.020 Yeah, that's your serious.

04:02:21.860 And, like, if you do that...

04:02:23.440 It's a soul bond, Brian.

04:02:24.460 It's a soul bond.

04:02:25.660 It's a soul bond.

04:02:26.580 Well, if you do that too early, like, you get in your head too early.

04:02:31.240 You're like, oh, wow, this is great.

04:02:32.280 Have you ever heard of soul bonding with dragons?

04:02:35.080 Maddie, can you pour the liquor from us?

04:02:37.260 I've not. 1.00

04:02:37.720 Take that shit. 1.00

04:02:38.400 It's a thing. 1.00

04:02:39.020 Take that shit. 1.00

04:02:39.500 Soul bonding with dragons from, like, a show? 1.00

04:02:41.400 Yeah, soul bonding with dragons.

04:02:43.320 Okay.

04:02:43.680 It's supposed to be the best kind of soul bond.

04:02:45.680 You mean, like, Avatar?

04:02:46.960 No.

04:02:48.020 When they soul bond?

04:02:48.980 No.

04:02:49.720 Just a little champagne.

04:02:51.800 No champagne.

04:02:53.180 Okay.

04:02:53.600 That's it.

04:02:53.920 That's good.

04:02:54.420 Okay.

04:02:55.360 Nothing can.

04:02:55.840 Champagne.

04:02:56.840 I'll take champagne.

04:02:57.960 Yeah, I'm not going to deny that.

04:02:59.840 It's just these three who can't drink here.

04:03:01.660 These three can't drink.

04:03:02.300 That's us in the middle.

04:03:03.180 You can't.

04:03:04.320 Huh?

04:03:04.700 What?

04:03:04.880 Uh, yo, Robert Tanner.

04:03:08.640 We have to do cheers once everybody has their alcohol.

04:03:11.680 Wait, so hold on.

04:03:14.660 Two months?

04:03:16.220 How, but what, in what way are you exclusive?

04:03:20.180 Well, we were exclusively dating each other.

04:03:24.260 We just hadn't worked up to moving on to those sexual things yet.

04:03:28.920 That get you, like...

04:03:29.520 And you're not religious?

04:03:30.560 I'm not religious, no.

04:03:33.280 And are you, like, a virgin, or...?

04:03:35.640 No, I'm not a virgin.

04:03:37.560 So you're not religious.

04:03:39.080 Not religious, not a virgin. 0.97

04:03:40.180 But you're not a virgin.

04:03:41.460 Who am I?

04:03:42.000 But you're waiting months.

04:03:43.100 You know, who am I, game?

04:03:43.820 Just a high-value woman. 0.99

04:03:44.840 Wait, I'm just curious.

04:03:45.940 Wait, have you...

04:03:46.600 What's the longest you've ever waited to have sex?

04:03:51.300 With someone I was seeing? 0.98

04:03:53.900 Such a coomer, Brian.

04:03:55.780 How is that coomer?

04:03:56.560 How is that coomer?

04:03:57.360 Maybe they're waiting for a significant amount of time.

04:04:00.560 Yeah, I was going to say, like, four months, five months.

04:04:05.860 Okay, now, have you ever hooked up with people quicker than that?

04:04:10.680 When I was in my early 20s, there was, like, a few people that it was just, like...

04:04:15.060 I mean, they were people I knew, but it was just, like, oh, I like you.

04:04:19.040 You never, like, hooked up with somebody the first day you met them?

04:04:22.180 No.

04:04:22.800 Did you go to college?

04:04:24.260 I did go to college.

04:04:24.900 Where did you go?

04:04:25.360 The first day?

04:04:25.660 To school?

04:04:26.020 The first two years, I was a very small Christian school, actually.

04:04:29.820 I played soccer, and then the...

04:04:31.420 Still soccer at the second school, but UNC Asheville was a bigger school.

04:04:34.840 But they were small schools in North Carolina.

04:04:38.900 He's not buying my story.

04:04:40.940 He's like, I don't buy this.

04:04:41.820 I believe it.

04:04:42.460 It's possible.

04:04:42.940 I was a virgin for a very long time.

04:04:44.280 I was a virgin until I was, like, 21.

04:04:45.580 I was, like, a junior in college, and then all my friends were, like, girl, you need to 0.99

04:04:49.880 have sex because you're crazy being a virgin. 0.99

04:04:52.120 And I was like, what do you mean? 1.00

04:04:53.180 I mean, like, yeah.

04:04:54.320 Oh, good time.

04:04:54.780 And your friends led you astray.

04:04:55.860 Cheers to Tanner.

04:04:56.600 You went nice friends.

04:04:57.420 Cheers to Robert, the great Robert Tanner.

04:05:00.660 Cheers.

04:05:02.060 Salud.

04:05:02.480 Cheers.

04:05:03.460 Thank you, Robert Tanner.

04:05:04.400 Your patronage is very much appreciated.

04:05:06.280 Thank you, man.

04:05:08.020 And, okay, anyways, I was getting off track there.

04:05:11.780 I know.

04:05:12.080 Bad friends.

04:05:12.580 Me and my mom were just talking about that the other day.

04:05:14.460 Oh, well.

04:05:14.860 Live and learn.

04:05:15.580 Yeah.

04:05:15.920 Grow.

04:05:16.200 Grow.

04:05:16.340 But so you said you did have, like...

04:05:18.020 I'm always trying to pull the ladder up, you know?

04:05:19.840 Yeah.

04:05:20.160 Always, every time.

04:05:21.240 Yeah.

04:05:22.100 You did say you had some indiscretions, though, when you were younger.

04:05:25.280 Yeah.

04:05:25.620 Like, when I first had lost my virginity when I was 21, then...

04:05:31.400 Wait.

04:05:32.380 Hold on.

04:05:33.120 Yeah.

04:05:35.000 When you lost your virginity, you lost it... 0.73

04:05:38.620 To a boyfriend.

04:05:39.900 Oh, I thought you were about to say, like, you lost your virginity.

04:05:42.420 It was, like, a guy you met, like, two days prior.

04:05:44.660 Oh, no, no.

04:05:45.680 We were dating.

04:05:46.960 We had been dating for, like, three or four months before I had slept with him.

04:05:50.380 All right.

04:05:51.060 Okay.

04:05:51.540 Yeah.

04:05:52.020 Fair enough.

04:05:52.600 Fair enough.

04:05:53.400 Back to your notes, in any case.

04:05:55.180 So, there's the guy, the texting guy, whatever.

04:05:57.940 He's gone.

04:05:59.060 You were on a date where a guy got pissed after you outsmarted him.

04:06:03.200 This is funny.

04:06:05.640 No, you go ahead.

04:06:06.740 Okay.

04:06:07.480 So, this was shortly after I was done dating the bowling guy.

04:06:12.640 And I had met this guy playing pickup soccer in Nevada.

04:06:16.800 I thought he was cute.

04:06:17.600 He had a camping tattoo on his arm.

04:06:18.720 So, I was like, oh, we can bond over camping.

04:06:21.320 So, I had to invite him over to my apartment one night.

04:06:23.860 And I was like, oh, we can go to the store, buy, like, a board game and, like, play a board game.

04:06:29.560 You know, get to know each other, have fun.

04:06:30.880 So, we went to the store.

04:06:32.100 We decided on battleship.

04:06:33.840 And there is some strategy in battleship.

04:06:35.720 You know, you can, like, either, like, well, what I did was I put all of my ships all together in one clump.

04:06:43.220 And then that way, if you, like, have one of, like, the four ship, but it's connected to the three, in certain ways, you might think that you hit a different ship than you actually hit.

04:06:50.760 So, then they're looking or thinking that they need to look for something else.

04:06:53.000 Right?

04:06:53.600 So, he wasn't, like, catching on to what I was doing.

04:06:56.020 And then he was like, oh, I don't understand.

04:06:57.160 Like, you don't have the two ship left or, like, whatever.

04:06:59.760 And then I was like, well, I do.

04:07:01.460 And then he was like, show me your board.

04:07:02.980 And I was like, okay.

04:07:03.920 So, then I show him the board.

04:07:05.000 And then he's like, so we need to restart.

04:07:06.460 But I won that one because I had sunk more ships.

04:07:07.760 I was just like, okay.

04:07:08.380 Like, he just was having, like, this big ego about the game.

04:07:11.400 Like, I was just like, okay, whatever.

04:07:12.860 So, we play again.

04:07:14.020 And then, like, you know when you get vulnerable with someone, you, like, talk about your insecurities.

04:07:17.080 So, I was, like, telling him how, like, oh, when I was younger, like, I, well, I still have bad B.O.

04:07:21.120 But I had really bad B.O. when I was, like, a little kid.

04:07:23.400 So, I was, like, telling him this, like, funny story that I thought was just funny.

04:07:26.780 And then he was like, yeah, speaking of, like, you smelled so disgusting the other day at soccer that when I went to hug you, I literally almost puked.

04:07:35.220 And I turned and I was, like, and I, like, really almost was going to upchuck.

04:07:39.100 And I was, like, okay.

04:07:40.900 So, then he left.

04:07:42.300 Well, no, then he kisses me.

04:07:44.480 I know, right?

04:07:45.660 That's so mean.

04:07:46.760 So, then he kisses me and leaves. 1.00

04:07:48.440 That's fucking disgusting. 1.00

04:07:50.720 Yeah. 0.99

04:07:51.620 So, then I walk into the bathroom and I, like, look in the mirror and I start crying because that made me, like, hurt my feelings.

04:07:56.020 And then I call my mom and I'm, like, mom, what do you think of this? 0.77

04:07:59.400 That's so silly. 0.60

04:08:00.200 So, then I texted him because he had just asked me to be his girlfriend. 0.90

04:08:02.820 I told him I was thinking about it.

04:08:04.020 And then I said, I do not want to be your girlfriend. 0.95

04:08:06.440 And then I never talked to him ever again.

04:08:08.760 Kind of funny.

04:08:09.400 But also sad.

04:08:11.040 I like that.

04:08:11.500 Battleship and BO.

04:08:12.500 Yeah, I, like, didn't deter him, though.

04:08:15.060 Like, he was still about it.

04:08:17.040 Yeah.

04:08:18.160 I know.

04:08:18.880 Interesting.

04:08:19.500 Yeah, I don't think playing board games is a good idea.

04:08:24.060 Really?

04:08:24.340 Like, Monopoly?

04:08:25.820 Bro, if you want to, like, have enemies for life, bro, you can't play Monopoly with somebody.

04:08:31.480 That is so true.

04:08:32.340 Yeah.

04:08:33.160 I don't know. 1.00

04:08:33.500 You don't get competitive over that shit. 1.00

04:08:34.920 No. 1.00

04:08:35.420 Bro, you know how frustrating, you know how easy it is to get tilted playing Monopoly?

04:08:39.320 Not that easy.

04:08:40.160 You spent, dude, you spent. 1.00

04:08:41.080 The fucking game. 1.00

04:08:41.720 Dude, who cares? 1.00

04:08:43.080 You spent two fucking hours, two fucking hours developing your board. 1.00

04:08:47.400 And just from pure RNG luck, the other person just got better fucking roles. 1.00

04:08:51.980 Two hours playing this goddamn slow-ass game. 1.00

04:08:54.560 And then they're just, like, smoking you because your RNG sucks. 1.00

04:08:58.300 Okay, good talk. 1.00

04:09:00.640 No, I don't see it.

04:09:01.900 Good talk.

04:09:02.760 I don't see it.

04:09:03.200 Let's see.

04:09:03.680 What else here?

04:09:04.360 Going back to Natalie.

04:09:05.940 Yes.

04:09:06.700 No, if they're beating you at video games, that's different.

04:09:09.180 Fair enough.

04:09:09.900 Especially if it's a fighting game, they're just button mashing. 1.00

04:09:12.180 That's bullshit. 1.00

04:09:13.220 That is bullshit. 1.00

04:09:14.380 They're just button mashing. 1.00

04:09:15.320 You're like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. 0.99

04:09:16.700 You shouldn't have won that. 1.00

04:09:18.020 That's bullshit. 1.00

04:09:18.760 That's a strategy. 1.00

04:09:19.820 I mean. 0.99

04:09:20.160 Yeah, just hit random shit. 0.98

04:09:23.100 Going to Natalie, you said, I also would love to debate about subjects like the importance 0.99

04:09:26.940 issues of Christianity.

04:09:30.360 I'm not going to talk about that other one.

04:09:32.040 Being a traditional woman and schmushmortion. 1.00

04:09:36.940 Oh.

04:09:38.260 So what's the, are you Christian?

04:09:40.620 Yes.

04:09:41.120 Okay.

04:09:41.780 What denomination?

04:09:42.380 Being a Presbyterian.

04:09:45.140 Okay.

04:09:45.720 Being a traditional woman and schmushmortion. 1.00

04:09:49.080 So you're against schmushmortion. 1.00

04:09:51.820 Abortion.

04:09:52.460 You're against it or?

04:09:53.760 I'm sort of a middle ground here.

04:09:56.560 Are we, should I explain?

04:09:58.320 Yeah.

04:09:59.580 I think from like a religious standpoint, I have issues with it, but I also know that 1.00

04:10:05.240 we live in a world where not everybody is religious and we don't live in a perfect

04:10:10.480 world and there's a lot, I think since everyone's not under the religious belief that they should

04:10:18.220 be entitled to their own opinion, but I do think there should be way, way, way, way more

04:10:22.180 restrictions on schmushmortion.

04:10:24.160 Well, I don't understand though.

04:10:27.740 Let's back up.

04:10:28.760 Yeah.

04:10:28.980 Let's untangle some ideas again, right?

04:10:30.980 Yeah.

04:10:31.480 So idea one, from your Christian purview, abortion is murder?

04:10:35.840 It is.

04:10:42.420 That's kind of where I struggle.

04:10:43.920 From your Christian worldview?

04:10:46.300 Sure.

04:10:47.000 Yes.

04:10:47.300 Is it?

04:10:49.000 From a Christian standpoint and what the Bible says?

04:10:51.500 From your Christian standpoint?

04:10:52.480 Yes.

04:10:53.380 Yeah.

04:10:53.660 From your Christian standpoint?

04:10:55.140 Yes.

04:10:55.280 It is murder?

04:10:56.100 Yes.

04:10:56.640 Okay. 0.99

04:10:57.460 Then why the fuck would you make murder legal? 0.98

04:11:00.240 Because I know that everyone doesn't have the same views that I do. 0.98

04:11:05.300 Why would that matter?

04:11:07.300 So now we're back to the idea of the serial killer again, remember?

04:11:10.300 Remember earlier when we were saying that's subjective, so you can be a serial killer if

04:11:15.060 you want to?

04:11:15.740 Well, you can based on that view.

04:11:17.960 You're actually enabling that view.

04:11:20.560 I think that it's just not realistic to say that.

04:11:23.660 I don't think...

04:11:25.820 Is it your duty to be realistic?

04:11:27.760 Huh?

04:11:28.160 Is it your duty to be realistic?

04:11:29.520 Is it your duty to say we're going to run the world based on just sheer pragmatism?

04:11:36.360 That's not Christianity. 1.00

04:11:37.400 That's something else, right?

04:11:38.480 No, I agree, but I think that I don't believe that day of conception, but that is life.

04:11:46.220 Well, when is it?

04:11:47.540 Yeah, when is it then?

04:11:48.100 This is where I struggle.

04:11:48.840 This is why I think that there should be more restrictions in the fact that there's girls 1.00

04:11:59.440 that I've heard from that have gone and gotten multiple abortions, which is not good for

04:12:04.500 your body.

04:12:05.000 It's not long-term.

04:12:06.720 Or the baby.

04:12:07.440 And why I struggle to say that abortion shouldn't be legal is when it comes to the woman, the

04:12:15.180 mother's health perspective, which I know is a small majority.

04:12:17.660 That's an atopic pregnancy. 0.99

04:12:18.900 And atopic pregnancy and abortion are two completely different things.

04:12:21.340 And atopic pregnancy is literally when the baby has grown outside of the uterus.

04:12:24.640 That is a life-saving procedure.

04:12:26.360 Yep.

04:12:26.580 That those two are two completely different things.

04:12:28.260 No dispute there.

04:12:29.520 There's literally, that's because an abortion, you don't want the baby. 0.64

04:12:32.580 And atopic pregnancy, you wanted that child, but the child just grew outside of you.

04:12:36.560 So those aren't the same.

04:12:38.040 Yeah.

04:12:38.320 So when they say it's life-saving, it's not.

04:12:40.160 You're literally killing a life.

04:12:41.180 Well, and the thing is, even if we were to grant that it was, we're just going to grant

04:12:46.960 it for the sake of argument that in this particular case, you have to choose between two lives.

04:12:50.880 You're trying to make the best decision you can.

04:12:53.260 Fine.

04:12:53.620 Well, Grant, in that case, the mother can always have more kids. 1.00

04:12:57.120 But in this case, if you try to have that kid, it could kill them both, right?

04:13:00.740 So we can just kind of grant that and say, it's a wash, right?

04:13:04.580 And just even allow those.

04:13:06.580 Yeah.

04:13:07.640 I still don't, since that's not even close to the representation of almost every abortion

04:13:13.520 done on planet Earth, I'm not really sure that bringing that up has any merit.

04:13:18.400 So moving over to when life begins, when does it begin?

04:13:22.320 It begins at conception.

04:13:25.460 You got me trapped.

04:13:26.480 I'm not going to lie.

04:13:27.620 Yeah.

04:13:27.800 Because when people say, oh, it's just a fetus, literally go on Google.

04:13:30.320 The definition of fetus is baby.

04:13:32.400 It's basically.

04:13:32.880 That's literally what it is.

04:13:34.140 Yeah.

04:13:34.520 I know.

04:13:34.780 I can agree with that.

04:13:35.720 Yeah.

04:13:35.820 I mean, I, I'm more so on the pro-life side, but when it does come to like, you know,

04:13:40.640 grape and incest, that's where I'm just like, eh.

04:13:44.720 But literally, if you, if you go on Google, it's free.

04:13:48.700 It's there.

04:13:49.740 99% of abortion, of abortions are literally because women are being reckless. 1.00

04:13:53.640 They make mistakes.

04:13:54.640 The baby's an inconvenience.

04:13:55.940 You chose the wrong dude.

04:13:57.420 Literally one percent, less than one percent is because of incest and grape.

04:14:01.000 Yeah.

04:14:01.300 In the perfect world, I would love to say that, like, I'm not willing to grant that

04:14:04.760 though, either.

04:14:05.440 It is.

04:14:06.160 So like, no, no, no.

04:14:07.300 I'm not willing to grant that it would be okay under those circumstances.

04:14:10.740 Yeah.

04:14:10.880 That's where I'm just like.

04:14:11.400 Let me give you, let me, maybe I can clear this up for you, right?

04:14:14.120 Let's do just like a kind of a basic logic exercise.

04:14:17.420 Okay.

04:14:18.040 If you, right, in this hypothetical, uh, were horribly essayed, could you then go home and 1.00

04:14:26.540 kill your son? 0.99

04:14:28.440 So I'm not speaking. 1.00

04:14:29.420 Hang on.

04:14:30.360 No.

04:14:30.680 Wait, what?

04:14:31.000 I just want you to answer the question.

04:14:32.420 Could you do that?

04:14:33.080 What do you mean?

04:14:33.540 How come?

04:14:34.740 Wait, I don't understand.

04:14:35.600 How come, how come this, this trauma, which happened to you, doesn't make it okay to kill 0.92

04:14:40.840 your son? 0.99

04:14:41.540 Because that's mine.

04:14:42.400 It's growing, my baby's growing in me.

04:14:43.780 Also part of me.

04:14:44.260 No, no, no, no, no, no.

04:14:45.320 Your son is out of the room.

04:14:46.440 Oh, out of me?

04:14:47.000 Oh, that's because you can't murder your child.

04:14:49.120 That's like a living, breathing room.

04:14:50.960 And when do you think it's a child?

04:14:53.220 Literally right when, yeah, I know.

04:14:54.860 So, so then, so then wait a second.

04:14:58.500 So then how could you be for abortion even during SA?

04:15:01.180 I know what you're saying.

04:15:02.320 Are you saying that the son is a product of?

04:15:04.820 No.

04:15:05.940 So then how is that connected?

04:15:07.700 I don't understand.

04:15:08.060 Well, because, because if you're saying this is a life and this is a life, if you're an

04:15:14.580 SA, are you allowed to take a life?

04:15:16.100 The answer is no.

04:15:18.060 So if you say life begins at conception, then this would mean directly after the SA, this

04:15:24.060 is now a life.

04:15:25.140 Then you would have to explain that justification.

04:15:27.660 And she knows that there's no possible way she can.

04:15:29.760 And so for her to be consistent, she would actually have to say, no, even during, or even

04:15:36.420 as a result of SA, you would not be able to abort.

04:15:39.800 That's the only really consistent, I understand the feeling of it.

04:15:43.760 Sorry to comment.

04:15:44.520 So do you want children to grow up in loveless households or in the system?

04:15:50.100 Because that's what is a result if, you know, women get graped or incest. 1.00

04:15:56.500 I mean, well, I think that a person who would end up a dominatrix probably grew up in a loveless

04:16:01.760 household, but I don't want to abort you. 1.00

04:16:03.500 Shit. 1.00

04:16:05.000 I mean, that's your opinion. 1.00

04:16:07.120 I'm just saying, like, ultimately, no, I don't think that because you're poor, you have

04:16:12.820 lesser value as a human being.

04:16:14.500 I don't think because you're a woman or your race or anything like this, you have a lesser 0.98

04:16:19.020 value as a human being.

04:16:20.680 I think that human beings have an ontological value.

04:16:23.700 And so I'm a Christian, and I've always believed that this is true.

04:16:27.960 Even before I logically reconciled my beliefs in a God, I always knew that human beings intrinsically

04:16:32.940 had value.

04:16:33.860 I'm not ever going to say that because you're poor, you have no value.

04:16:37.620 But that's not what I'm getting at.

04:16:38.460 It is what you're getting at.

04:16:39.480 They're of lesser value.

04:16:40.880 How can you say?

04:16:41.720 No.

04:16:42.420 Okay. 1.00

04:16:42.960 Well, then why do you want to kill them? 0.96

04:16:44.600 I'm saying a child would grow up in a loveless household if they're, I mean, I've read plenty 0.89

04:16:48.700 of...

04:16:49.200 So they have lesser value, right?

04:16:50.380 To society?

04:16:51.080 No, I'm saying there's parents that are regretful and that don't want children.

04:16:55.400 So you would want a kid to be raised in an environment like that?

04:16:58.400 But would you rather be dead?

04:16:58.940 But why do you... 0.97

04:16:59.520 Hang on.

04:17:00.000 Hang on.

04:17:00.300 I mean, honestly, I wouldn't want to be raised in an environment like that.

04:17:02.580 You'd rather be dead than raised in a loveless household?

04:17:06.340 Okay. 0.71

04:17:06.820 No.

04:17:07.340 No.

04:17:07.440 But I'm saying as a fetus...

04:17:09.720 As a fetus.

04:17:10.800 You're...

04:17:11.440 You don't have that, obviously.

04:17:13.280 Well, let us...

04:17:13.960 Hang on.

04:17:14.680 I'm just going to engage with this the best way I can.

04:17:17.140 Okay.

04:17:17.220 To kind of walk you through the logic here.

04:17:18.540 Let us assume for a second that you could read the mind of cows, okay?

04:17:29.280 That you could.

04:17:31.400 A cow is born specifically for the purpose of being eaten.

04:17:35.100 Now, it's going to have a three-year life cycle or two-year life cycle until it gets as

04:17:40.020 big as you can get it, and then you're going to humanely put it down and you're going to

04:17:43.320 eat it.

04:17:43.620 If you could ask these cows if they would rather exist for the two years or not exist

04:17:49.500 for the two years, even knowing at the end of it they're going to get eaten, which do

04:17:52.320 you think they would pick?

04:17:56.900 I don't think they would pick.

04:17:59.180 Like, I just don't...

04:17:59.960 I mean, I personally, like, if I knew that my parents didn't want me, I probably wouldn't

04:18:04.380 want to be alive.

04:18:05.380 Then let's ask you, if you could live 20 years of your life, right, knowing that at

04:18:10.340 the end of that 20 years, the lights would just go out, but you would get eaten by aliens,

04:18:15.500 let's say, would you still choose to be alive if you had a good quality of life?

04:18:18.980 No, I wouldn't want to subject myself to that.

04:18:20.900 You wouldn't?

04:18:21.480 No.

04:18:21.880 Okay.

04:18:22.160 So then why is it you subject yourself to any suffering?

04:18:25.620 I mean, I think there's different levels of suffering.

04:18:28.720 I mean, you're a dominatrix. 0.98

04:18:30.040 You literally perform suffering on people and think it's hilarious and fun.

04:18:34.040 I mean, yeah, true.

04:18:34.820 But I'm saying that in the context of a family, a kid that is growing up in an abusive environment

04:18:42.020 by no fault of their own.

04:18:43.640 That's suffering, yeah.

04:18:44.480 Yeah, it is suffering.

04:18:45.440 And for some people, they don't ever win that battle.

04:18:47.740 For some people, some people are stronger.

04:18:49.760 But can you agree with me that when it comes to trauma, if you're alive, you at least have

04:18:54.300 a shot of moving past trauma?

04:18:57.040 Sure, you do.

04:18:57.720 But there are people that-

04:18:58.800 And if you're dead, you have no shot of moving past trauma.

04:19:01.560 That's fair.

04:19:02.440 But I think growing up, knowing that you are the product of grape or incest, that can't

04:19:08.820 be an easy weight to bring around with you.

04:19:11.620 Yeah, but that's a trauma which can be surmounted.

04:19:14.480 Death cannot be surmounted.

04:19:15.740 I don't think that's something that you-

04:19:17.400 In other words, why would I want to-

04:19:19.740 I want to embrace a doctrine of death instead of a doctrine of life?

04:19:26.580 I want the doctrine of life.

04:19:28.480 I want, even if it is so, that the conditions are not going to be optimal for a child who's

04:19:35.440 born, I still think that we don't get to determine to kill them just because we think

04:19:41.980 perhaps they might have a bad quality of life.

04:19:45.340 People can move past suffering, but they can't do it dead.

04:19:47.980 I mean, I think people can move past suffering, but I think there are levels of suffering that

04:19:52.380 you're going to have to just live with, but you're never going to heal from.

04:19:55.900 Maybe, but at least you're alive.

04:19:58.460 And many people carry the scars of suffering that they never completely heal from.

04:20:01.920 A death of a loved one, for instance, would be one such category of this.

04:20:05.740 And isn't it still better to be alive with that scar than dead?

04:20:09.140 I just think the context is a little bit different when you're bringing in the fact that you are

04:20:14.480 the product of incest or grape.

04:20:16.680 Like, that's not a grape feeling.

04:20:18.240 And also, you have to deal with the-

04:20:18.900 Can a person, a product of incest and grape, go on to do amazing things?

04:20:23.360 Sure they can.

04:20:23.940 I'm not saying that they can't, but I'm just saying-

04:20:25.740 All I want is the potential.

04:20:26.860 All I want is the potential.

04:20:27.920 Even if it's horrible, I just want the potential of knowing that they can to allow them to try.

04:20:38.320 Jai Vanik donated $200.

04:20:40.880 There are thousands of people who were conceived through SA.

04:20:44.500 Tons.

04:20:44.880 Are they lesser than you?

04:20:46.160 They're not lesser than you.

04:20:47.240 Is your worth based on how much your parents desired you?

04:20:49.940 No.

04:20:50.380 So, I never said that I was better than anyone that was conceived through SA.

04:20:54.560 I obviously know that that's not anyone's choice. 0.99

04:20:56.800 You want to kill them. 1.00

04:20:58.120 I never said I wanted to kill them. 1.00

04:20:59.600 Well, I mean, that's what you're doing.

04:21:01.020 I'm saying that there are some people that can't live with that pain.

04:21:04.140 Yeah.

04:21:04.400 And here's the thing.

04:21:05.780 The vast majority of them can.

04:21:07.840 And humans are resilient.

04:21:09.820 Humans go through horrific things.

04:21:11.800 And they're able to move past those traumas.

04:21:14.180 Knowing that that is true.

04:21:15.960 That you've gone through suffering.

04:21:17.500 That's horrible.

04:21:18.740 And so is everybody at this table.

04:21:20.380 And you're going to.

04:21:21.440 You're going to keep going through suffering.

04:21:22.820 That's part of the human experience.

04:21:24.560 It's still optimal.

04:21:25.640 That's preventable suffering.

04:21:26.180 Yeah, but you're still going to be suffering in your life, aren't you?

04:21:29.600 Yeah, you're still going to feel bad.

04:21:30.400 You're going to suffer.

04:21:31.260 Yeah, but in a different way.

04:21:32.480 I think that, unfortunately, this is preventable.

04:21:37.160 You can't say that me going through something like a death of a loved one is the same as.

04:21:44.440 Those are two completely different traumas.

04:21:47.020 Have you ever heard this in an old quote?

04:21:49.680 It's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all?

04:21:52.320 Yeah, I have heard that.

04:21:53.120 What do you think that means?

04:21:55.240 I mean, I think I take it for face value.

04:21:57.420 It's better to.

04:21:58.080 Well, if you had never loved, you could never go through the suffering of losing love, which

04:22:02.540 is one of the worst types of suffering.

04:22:04.160 Losing a kid.

04:22:05.340 Losing a parent.

04:22:06.900 Losing a sibling.

04:22:08.640 Even losing the love of your life to another man or woman or whatever, right?

04:22:12.340 It's still better and preferable, in other words, to go through the suffering of losing

04:22:17.420 that than to have never positioned yourself to suffer at all.

04:22:21.520 Do you agree?

04:22:22.220 I mean, that's fair.

04:22:23.180 That is a fair statement.

04:22:24.320 But I'm saying that I don't think you should subject an innocent child to that type of situation.

04:22:32.300 And not even just like the sense of you were the product of grape or incest, but the fact

04:22:37.280 that your parents, not all, but some parents resent that.

04:22:41.200 And I've listened to this girl talk about regretful parenting, and she reads stories that

04:22:48.400 people post on Reddit and whatnot, or just send to her individually.

04:22:51.800 And they talk about how much they regret their children.

04:22:54.840 And like, that's not fair.

04:22:59.860 That's not fair to the children.

04:23:01.260 All of these people who exist currently, who are the product of SA, why aren't they unaliving 1.00

04:23:06.480 themselves if their suffering is insurmountable?

04:23:10.360 Because they're not suicidal?

04:23:12.120 I don't know.

04:23:12.640 Because their suffering is not insurmountable.

04:23:14.840 Meaning, they must have something that they're continuing to live towards and moving towards,

04:23:19.700 right?

04:23:20.480 That makes their suffering surmountable to that of life.

04:23:23.800 Otherwise, they could and do always have the option of ending that.

04:23:27.220 But they don't.

04:23:27.940 And so it seems like it's powerful evidence that a person even conceived under those circumstances

04:23:33.360 would still prefer to be alive than dead, because the people who have been aren't unaliving

04:23:37.920 themselves.

04:23:39.600 I mean, I'm sure there are some that are.

04:23:41.640 Some, sure.

04:23:42.620 But...

04:23:43.020 But it can't be the vast majority, nor even close.

04:23:45.660 I mean, I understand your statement, but I still stand on how I feel about it.

04:23:49.340 I mean, I'm just saying...

04:23:50.760 Negative underscore 200 donated $200.

04:23:53.900 Wilson, how do you reconcile your Christian opposition to abortion with the historical

04:23:59.640 involvement of religious groups in wars that have resulted in the loss of many lives?

04:24:04.480 I don't see how those two things would need to be reconciled.

04:24:08.020 So, saying that you are essentially assassinating a child in the womb, because that's what I think 0.99

04:24:14.200 you're doing, from my perspective, though I understand that's politically charged language,

04:24:18.880 is far different than fighting a war of opposition.

04:24:21.580 Sometimes this is done defensively, sometimes offensively, but justifications for wars are

04:24:26.960 completely different than justification of killing innocent children.

04:24:30.720 I mean, it's still unnecessary carnage, you know what I mean?

04:24:33.520 It's not always unnecessary.

04:24:34.720 Sometimes it's necessary carnage.

04:24:37.900 Necessary is a loaded word.

04:24:39.140 You've got to be careful with it, right?

04:24:40.620 Like, it's not necessary for you to be a dommy mommy. 0.89

04:24:43.300 I mean, I wouldn't call myself a dommy mommy.

04:24:45.480 Yeah, but it's not necessary, right?

04:24:47.880 I mean, sure, it's not necessary.

04:24:48.960 It's not necessary.

04:24:49.940 No, it's not out of necessity.

04:24:51.360 That's a very loaded, it's a very loaded word.

04:24:55.420 Okay, sure enough, loaded.

04:24:57.080 But kind of backing up here, I would like to kind of challenge this just a little bit

04:25:00.680 more before we move on.

04:25:02.440 The idea of, if you and I can agree that most people conceived under the condition of SA

04:25:08.800 are not unaliving themselves, then don't you think that they've been able to surmount

04:25:14.300 the very suffering that you want to eliminate the potential of them even being able to face?

04:25:18.640 I mean, sure.

04:25:19.640 Of course, there's going to be people out there that are able to move past their suffering

04:25:23.840 and make something of it.

04:25:25.760 Yeah.

04:25:25.900 But I mean, I'm just saying in the sense of if you can prevent any sort of suffering that

04:25:30.380 doesn't need to be had.

04:25:31.580 I mean, part of life, like, you're going to lose a loved one.

04:25:35.260 That's inevitable.

04:25:37.440 But this is something that can be avoided.

04:25:39.240 But I want you to think about the logical conclusion of this statement.

04:25:44.100 Suffering can be avoided, right?

04:25:46.700 And you're saying death is the ultimate way to avoid suffering.

04:25:50.140 So then the extension of this would be if you wanted to eliminate suffering in the entire

04:25:54.520 world, what would you do? 0.99

04:25:56.060 Just kill everyone, right? 1.00

04:25:57.240 Right. 1.00

04:25:57.560 Does that make sense to you?

04:25:59.380 I mean, yeah, it does make sense to me.

04:26:00.800 Yeah.

04:26:01.080 So you wouldn't want to do that, right?

04:26:02.760 No.

04:26:03.140 Of course not.

04:26:03.840 So when we kind of take this to its logical conclusion of we want to make sure people 0.99

04:26:09.380 can avoid suffering, well, you say we can do this by killing them. 0.99

04:26:13.200 I agree. 0.99

04:26:13.920 I guess that would avoid all future suffering.

04:26:16.980 But the extension of that is if suffering is the thing we're trying to avoid, why wouldn't

04:26:21.680 we just do that with everybody?

04:26:23.280 I get that.

04:26:23.940 No.

04:26:24.240 But I mean, I think there's, you know, certain types of suffering that do make you, like,

04:26:28.220 quote, unquote, stronger.

04:26:29.280 I mean, you got to appreciate.

04:26:31.320 Like most kinds.

04:26:32.480 Most kinds.

04:26:32.960 Most kinds of suffering.

04:26:34.580 Again, I just think that that's something that is, you know, avoidable.

04:26:38.280 And that's where I stand on that, you know?

04:26:41.220 So I can't sway your mind even with logical argumentation?

04:26:44.180 Like even, is there anything I could do with logical argumentation that would sway your

04:26:48.040 mind away from how you feel?

04:26:50.600 No.

04:26:51.580 No.

04:26:51.740 I feel the way I feel.

04:26:52.720 And I've felt this way for a long time.

04:26:54.400 Do you think that feeling should trump logic?

04:26:56.580 I mean, what is logic?

04:26:59.360 Logic would be the proper and reasoned way in which to ferret out a position which is

04:27:04.840 coherent.

04:27:07.240 So you can imagine there's that without that, nothing in this world would work, including

04:27:12.960 how you get up.

04:27:13.980 Like you use logic daily and reasoning daily just to get through your day, right?

04:27:18.200 Fair enough.

04:27:18.960 Yeah.

04:27:19.100 So, I mean, you don't want to trump that with emotion.

04:27:22.340 Making an emotional argument would be, that would be counterintuitive, right?

04:27:26.400 You can have all sorts of terrible results from just like, listen to my emotions.

04:27:30.640 That would be, you don't want people to listen to your emotions, right?

04:27:34.100 I mean, I think emotions are valid.

04:27:35.720 Sure.

04:27:36.600 Not saying they're invalid.

04:27:38.000 I make tons of emotional decisions.

04:27:40.040 If I pick a blue colored truck versus a red colored truck, that's probably an emotional

04:27:45.200 decision.

04:27:45.760 It's not because, yeah, it's not because I'm getting any like extra performance out

04:27:49.380 of the blue.

04:27:49.900 I just emotionally like blue.

04:27:51.800 Actually though, you could use logic for that because, you know, like I think they say

04:27:54.580 red cars get pulled over the most.

04:27:56.480 Yeah.

04:27:56.640 I'm just saying in this case, I'm not.

04:27:57.980 Yeah.

04:27:58.220 I just like blue more.

04:27:59.280 Fair enough.

04:27:59.640 Fair enough.

04:28:01.160 But that doesn't really require a logical justification.

04:28:04.780 Nobody's, nobody's going to ask me to justify why I want to blue over a red truck,

04:28:08.560 right?

04:28:09.580 That's not really a big deal.

04:28:10.900 So I'm, I'm willing to concede to you that I use emotions tons, right?

04:28:15.860 But when it comes to a position of life, death, things like this, reason should probably

04:28:21.880 trump emotion, shouldn't it?

04:28:24.420 I'll allow you each one final response on this and I have to move it on.

04:28:28.120 Yeah.

04:28:28.380 Move, move it along.

04:28:29.220 I mean, I think we're going to, I just want to answer that last question.

04:28:31.200 We're going to keep moving in circles.

04:28:32.980 Repeat it.

04:28:33.980 I just want to know if you think ultimately, even knowing that I do think that emotion,

04:28:37.960 it's valid, that, that doesn't mean that we should use it in lieu of reason, but we

04:28:43.820 should usually use reason in lieu of emotion if we're making big decisions.

04:28:47.380 I mean, technically you're correct, but I think it stems a lot deeper when it comes

04:28:55.720 to this subject.

04:28:56.660 Okay.

04:28:58.560 All right.

04:28:59.080 Going back to Natalie, you said that a guy asked you on a date, told you that you post

04:29:03.620 and where, what you post and where, what?

04:29:05.920 You want me to just explain?

04:29:06.860 Okay.

04:29:06.960 Yep.

04:29:07.640 Sure, please.

04:29:08.300 So basically I, this is, I think, second date with the guy and we were at a mall and

04:29:14.980 I said like something like, oh, I have that shirt or something.

04:29:17.640 He's like, you wear that?

04:29:19.320 Yes.

04:29:19.640 It was a tank top, by the way.

04:29:20.880 It wasn't anything very revealing.

04:29:22.980 And he's like, you wear that?

04:29:24.420 And I was like, yeah.

04:29:25.560 He's like, I wouldn't let you out like that.

04:29:29.120 Okay.

04:29:30.060 Like, why are you out with me then?

04:29:31.860 And then continued to proceed to tell me that he doesn't like what I post on Instagram

04:29:36.200 or what I wear, but asked me out on a date.

04:29:40.560 So I just feel like it's a little contradictory.

04:29:43.880 Yeah.

04:29:45.000 Also was obsessed with his ex, but.

04:29:47.680 Ooh.

04:29:48.720 Just red flag after red flag.

04:29:51.260 Yeah.

04:29:52.960 I mean, I don't think there's anything, actually anything wrong there, to be honest.

04:29:57.760 The obsession with the ex, that's kind of.

04:30:00.200 Yeah.

04:30:00.600 He would like talk about how he did nothing wrong in this scenario with the ex and like

04:30:04.120 show me receipts and this was our like second date.

04:30:06.980 Oh yeah, he was not.

04:30:07.780 Well, okay.

04:30:08.400 We got to do these one at a time.

04:30:09.720 So you were on a date with a guy.

04:30:11.320 Yeah.

04:30:11.600 And you were wearing an outfit.

04:30:13.240 You were wearing the outfit or you were.

04:30:15.300 No, no, no.

04:30:15.920 We were at a mall and I said like, oh, I have that top.

04:30:19.720 It was literally just a tank top.

04:30:21.180 It was like probably very similar to what I was wearing.

04:30:23.860 I'm wearing right now.

04:30:24.660 Just like cut off.

04:30:26.440 He was like, I wouldn't let you wear that.

04:30:28.440 If you guys were in a relationship.

04:30:30.860 I mean, I'm assuming that's what he meant.

04:30:32.920 Well, can I ask you a question?

04:30:33.640 So if, would you have, would you attempt to prevent your boyfriend from wearing skin

04:30:41.660 tight jean shorts?

04:30:44.560 I feel like yes.

04:30:45.340 Cause that's very unattractive.

04:30:48.840 That'd be embarrassing more than anything else.

04:30:50.840 Right.

04:30:51.080 But couldn't that apply to your situation?

04:30:55.420 But I think his concern was it being attractive.

04:30:58.680 Well, like it, it, it being appealing to other guys, I think was his concern.

04:31:04.120 Like risk gay? 1.00

04:31:04.980 Yeah, sure. 0.97

04:31:05.900 Okay.

04:31:06.180 Yeah. 0.99

04:31:06.360 I think, I think he was alluding to the fact that he thought I was a slut or something. 0.99

04:31:12.480 Right. 0.97

04:31:12.880 Well, I mean, so you were on a second date, right?

04:31:15.840 That's quite the icebreaker.

04:31:16.340 Second date.

04:31:17.160 Yeah.

04:31:18.100 Well, I mean, so prior to dating, you had these photos on your Instagram?

04:31:22.700 What do you mean?

04:31:23.220 I don't know.

04:31:23.620 He, he, he had, you had.

04:31:24.580 I didn't date him.

04:31:25.880 I did not date him.

04:31:26.700 Or like I went on dates, but I didn't like, he was not my boyfriend.

04:31:29.760 Right.

04:31:29.980 So he's trying to establish very early on what his boundaries were.

04:31:34.260 Yeah.

04:31:34.980 Right.

04:31:35.300 So prior to dating, I suppose he had no problem or absolutely no authority to say, you know,

04:31:41.860 you were engaging in what he considered a single behavior, but assuming the relationship

04:31:46.980 developed to the point where you guys were actually in a relationship, once you started

04:31:50.380 dating, he wanted you to act in a way more commensurate with and more consistent with being

04:31:55.560 in a relationship.

04:31:56.940 And most women have no male guidance when it comes to this at all. 1.00

04:32:00.400 I think that's fine if we were in a relationship, but I feel like that's, we, we.

04:32:04.740 Right.

04:32:04.940 But then women will also argue, well, if it was such an issue, you should have told me 1.00

04:32:08.500 sooner, you should have told me up front.

04:32:10.820 Well, I agree, but that's why I partially ended it besides him being obsessed with his

04:32:14.220 ex.

04:32:14.700 I just wasn't comfortable.

04:32:15.640 I think that to an extent, if I'm going out and going to parties and wearing something

04:32:21.080 that's like very risque for male attention, I'm in a relationship.

04:32:24.860 I don't think that's right.

04:32:26.480 But if it's.

04:32:26.760 For you to do.

04:32:27.360 For me to do.

04:32:28.040 Okay.

04:32:28.220 I don't agree with that.

04:32:29.200 But like, I feel like the shirt would need to be shown for it to be like, for an example,

04:32:34.680 because it was just something that was very like, not anything that I think like anybody

04:32:40.360 would really at this table opposed to or call like over sexual or something like that, or

04:32:45.240 risque even.

04:32:46.120 I think it was very normal talk, which is where I kind of had the problem amongst other problems

04:32:51.520 that I had with him.

04:32:52.200 But that one just was kind of laughable.

04:32:53.720 Now he said he like opened with this.

04:32:55.580 Like, yeah, we were in, we were in the mall and I'm like, oh, I have that.

04:32:59.740 Then it worked.

04:33:00.700 You went on two dates with him.

04:33:01.860 It worked.

04:33:02.800 No, I think she was on, were you on the second date?

04:33:05.060 This was on the second date.

04:33:06.360 Oh, you were on the second date.

04:33:06.880 And the thing with the bigger part was with me is I said to him, I was like, I post this

04:33:12.720 stuff.

04:33:13.440 He found me through Instagram, like through mutual friends.

04:33:16.960 You saw my Instagram.

04:33:18.380 You liked it.

04:33:18.940 So it obviously worked.

04:33:20.720 Right.

04:33:21.160 Like what's the, so again, though, prior to dating, he had no problem with you engaging

04:33:28.080 in that sort of behavior.

04:33:30.160 But now that he's, he, he met you on a second date, he probably wanted to see things further

04:33:36.000 along.

04:33:37.240 He was starting to lay out his boundaries for what he considered acceptable behavior from

04:33:42.660 a potential girlfriend.

04:33:44.160 Sure.

04:33:44.620 I feel like there's just better ways to go about it than being like, well, men are blunt

04:33:48.180 communicators.

04:33:48.860 I mean, I think he sounds insecure, you know, and especially, I think, I mean, I think it

04:33:54.260 sounds insecure because it's like, especially if like she's saying that it was similar to

04:33:58.460 this top.

04:33:58.800 It was, it was very modest.

04:33:59.820 It wasn't, I don't go out wearing things that are like outrageous.

04:34:02.660 Like I really, I don't.

04:34:04.880 And I have, I just think that.

04:34:08.660 Well, we don't know what it, is there a photo of it somewhere on Instagram?

04:34:12.360 Yeah, I think it's on my Instagram.

04:34:13.340 Similar to what she's wearing now.

04:34:14.640 It was like a basic urban outfit or just think of a tank top.

04:34:18.520 It was a tank top.

04:34:19.540 I always find this idea odd of insecurity though.

04:34:22.640 I think it's insecure in the sense that, not insecure, but I think it's a lack of trust

04:34:27.020 that you have in your, say, potential girlfriend that you think that I would be going out and

04:34:34.640 wearing these things to attract other men.

04:34:36.820 Yeah.

04:34:36.940 But when I think of insecurity, I would think the opposite.

04:34:41.320 I would think that saying upfront what it is that you want or don't want would be a sign

04:34:46.240 of security, not a sign of insecurity.

04:34:48.980 I think it just wasn't.

04:34:49.740 A sign of insecurity to me would be like, I want to tell you this, this preference or

04:34:55.980 this thing, but I'm going to be passive aggressive or I'm just going to lead hints or things like

04:35:00.520 that.

04:35:01.180 That would lead me more towards the thought of insecurity versus here's what I want and

04:35:05.360 here's why I want it.

04:35:06.540 That sounds like, like somebody who's secure and what their preferences are.

04:35:09.960 Well, what about brooding over your ex-girlfriend?

04:35:11.680 I just think it's secure.

04:35:12.940 Hang on.

04:35:13.500 Again, we're going to untangle the two ideas.

04:35:16.900 Totally agree with you on the obsession of the ex-girlfriend thing, red flag, I'd get 0.98

04:35:21.620 the fuck away from that. 0.97

04:35:22.440 Yeah. 0.96

04:35:22.480 But on the idea of moderate dress, to Brian's point, I don't think that that could be insecurity.

04:35:29.400 That seems like a secure person would say that.

04:35:31.060 I think it's more of like the way that it was said and like the other comments that have

04:35:36.860 been made, I think is like kind of the thing that we're missing here where I was like,

04:35:40.640 you dress that way before, for male attention, which.

04:35:44.800 Did you?

04:35:45.500 No, not at all.

04:35:46.500 Like if, if you, I feel like it's hard to explain without seeing the top in question,

04:35:50.620 but like it's no different to what I'm wearing right now.

04:35:54.260 Was he kind of saying that in the context of the entirety of your social media?

04:35:58.180 He, it was like kind of two separate conversations where I started it with like, like I don't wear

04:36:05.000 that for male validation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

04:36:07.440 And he was saying that like the stuff that I've had on my Instagram is that you're telling

04:36:12.840 me that it's not for male validation.

04:36:15.480 It wasn't in, in my head for male validation.

04:36:18.480 I think that's kind of where I had the issue with it.

04:36:20.360 I see.

04:36:20.760 We're saying that he thinks that I'm only posting this stuff and stuff like that for

04:36:23.880 male validation.

04:36:24.780 Gotcha.

04:36:25.260 Where in my head, it's like a lot of the stuff I post, especially after losing so much weight,

04:36:28.440 it's like, I'm really confident in how I look now and I'm proud of how far I've come.

04:36:33.160 Let me show.

04:36:33.440 Well, we'll pull up your Instagram.

04:36:34.380 I mean, that's for validation though, right?

04:36:37.120 That would be, that would be definitionally validation.

04:36:39.800 Not like I, not in like a sexual way, just being like, I'm proud of how far I've come.

04:36:43.660 I'm proud of what I look like.

04:36:45.520 I'm going to show it off.

04:36:47.560 But not in a sexual way.

04:36:49.060 No.

04:36:49.540 Here, pull it up. 0.79

04:36:50.020 Not in a way that would bring sexual attention.

04:36:51.920 Really?

04:36:53.200 Okay.

04:36:54.740 Scroll down a little bit slow, please.

04:36:57.440 This is for you women out there. 1.00

04:36:58.820 This is.

04:36:59.440 This is for women at all. 1.00

04:37:01.680 I can show you the top of the question.

04:37:02.980 Put us on the other side, Nick.

04:37:04.840 Put us on the other.

04:37:05.700 The top in question is no, go down.

04:37:07.480 Is it the one where you're at the table there?

04:37:08.960 No.

04:37:09.360 Scroll down.

04:37:10.900 It is.

04:37:11.760 This one where the. 0.71

04:37:12.560 At the wall with the cup of coffee, the white strip, the black shirt, the one where I'm

04:37:16.980 wearing like a cardigan over it.

04:37:17.840 Top left corner.

04:37:18.680 That one.

04:37:19.460 That was the exact top.

04:37:21.540 Okay.

04:37:22.220 Yeah.

04:37:23.920 I kind of agree with him.

04:37:25.620 That you wouldn't.

04:37:26.220 What?

04:37:26.940 No.

04:37:27.500 You think that's not modest?

04:37:28.520 Well, I don't, I don't think, um.

04:37:31.580 You think that I post that craving male validation?

04:37:33.420 Well, first of all, no, I would say that no, that's immodest. 0.99

04:37:34.840 But even if, even if I were to concede that it was modest, after looking at your social

04:37:41.360 media, if you, if you're going to tell me that you're not putting those pictures up because

04:37:47.000 you want validation for men, I'm very skeptical.

04:37:51.600 And so maybe I'm wrong.

04:37:54.060 And that's, that's all for women. 1.00

04:37:55.780 You just want to show women the transformation you're about.

04:37:58.460 Maybe that's true.

04:37:59.520 Okay.

04:37:59.780 I'm not in your head.

04:38:00.640 I can't tell.

04:38:01.480 That's fair.

04:38:02.300 But I can definitely understand why a guy would be skeptical of that.

04:38:05.780 I, I, I think that's fair, but I think it's a conversation to be had instead of just

04:38:09.140 being a blanket statement. 0.97

04:38:10.100 We're assuming that I'm a slut. 0.98

04:38:12.360 Like, you know what I mean? 0.99

04:38:13.580 Yeah.

04:38:13.960 But I mean, what would the conversation be?

04:38:16.600 It would be you saying, no, this is for the validation of a bunch of women. 1.00

04:38:22.140 I want a bunch of women to look at me, validate me. 1.00

04:38:24.740 Right.

04:38:24.960 And so he, he's going to look, he's going to be like, look, I just don't believe that.

04:38:29.320 And there's no, he, it's, it's not falsifiable.

04:38:32.460 In other words, you can't be like, that's not true.

04:38:35.040 Cause he can't read your thoughts.

04:38:36.260 You're telling me though, if you say right now lost a shit ton of weight, got a six pack

04:38:41.200 best shape of your life that you wouldn't want to show that off.

04:38:43.360 I would not know.

04:38:45.180 In fact, it'd go out of my way.

04:38:46.340 You wouldn't be proud of it if it's something that you worked for?

04:38:48.000 I might be, I might be proud of it, but that there's a difference between that and trying

04:38:51.900 to, um, uh, put myself in a situation where I was being sexually provocative towards the

04:38:58.480 opposite sex.

04:38:59.300 Can I ask you that question as someone that does fitness?

04:39:01.760 Yeah, I was thinking.

04:39:03.940 So honestly, I don't agree.

04:39:07.480 Cause I've seen so many men that have had huge body transformations and then they take their

04:39:12.000 shirt off finally.

04:39:12.660 Cause they never felt comfortable doing that in the first place.

04:39:14.800 And then they like how they look.

04:39:16.240 They're proud of the results that they've got.

04:39:18.220 Yeah.

04:39:18.440 And then it's same with women. 0.98

04:39:19.260 A lot of women, they lose a lot of weight and then they, you know. 1.00

04:39:22.000 Look, I also know ortho bros.

04:39:24.140 Okay.

04:39:24.500 One of which, his name is David Patrick Carey, Church of the Eternal Logos. 0.98

04:39:28.520 And this guy is fucking shredded and he does not post sexually provocative pictures of 0.99

04:39:34.540 himself, even though he's in, and he definitely had a body transformation. 0.99

04:39:39.080 He just doesn't do that.

04:39:40.520 And the reason he doesn't do that is because he knows that that's going to lead towards

04:39:45.960 validation from the opposite sex, which he doesn't want. 1.00

04:39:49.400 But I don't, if they choose to validate it, they like to see it good for them.

04:39:53.520 That's not why I post it.

04:39:54.900 I get that.

04:39:55.680 I totally understand.

04:39:57.160 And I even believe you.

04:39:58.740 Yeah.

04:39:59.000 I'm trying to take myself in, put myself in the shoes of the onlooker.

04:40:03.620 So from the outsider's perspective, looking at it, there's no reason for me to conclude

04:40:09.020 that any man who was viewing that wouldn't think that you were trying to get the validation

04:40:13.440 in a two-piece bathing suit.

04:40:15.940 None of the bathing suit posts were up at the time.

04:40:17.960 Okay.

04:40:18.140 I got it.

04:40:19.040 But there's no reason that I would assume that any random man viewing that wouldn't think

04:40:25.400 you were looking for sexual validation from men.

04:40:27.480 There's no reason for me to think that.

04:40:29.480 I think, I see what you're saying, but I think that's also like, if you want to get

04:40:34.120 to know me and separate that from my story and why I post that kind of stuff, because

04:40:38.260 I'm proud of I am.

04:40:38.760 But what about this idea of red flags?

04:40:40.940 The whole idea of the red flag is that just based on XXX behavior, whether you try to justify 0.95

04:40:48.720 it, for instance, she goes up on the house on Haunted Hill where this guy's going to fucking 0.98

04:40:52.000 serial axe murder her, right? 1.00

04:40:54.140 She's like, if this fucking door closes, I am doomed. 1.00

04:40:57.260 My life is gone. 1.00

04:40:58.660 This guy's going to hack me up. 0.97

04:40:59.800 He's going to put me in little pieces and put me in his freezer, right? 0.91

04:41:02.380 That's what she's thinking in her head.

04:41:03.880 Am I wrong?

04:41:04.800 Oh, no.

04:41:05.660 Massive red flag, right?

04:41:07.280 Did he even do anything wrong, though?

04:41:09.460 Not really.

04:41:10.380 He didn't actually do anything wrong, but he gave like a feeling, a red flag vibe.

04:41:16.000 Now, the daddy thing.

04:41:17.120 That was crazy.

04:41:18.080 But when they discussed it, it was fine.

04:41:19.340 That's why I'm like, I think.

04:41:19.980 No, no, no, no.

04:41:21.040 It really wasn't fine.

04:41:22.540 I didn't really find that.

04:41:22.820 When they discussed it, she said he was like, but I'm a good person.

04:41:26.500 You can talk to my besties.

04:41:27.760 They say I'm the greatest.

04:41:29.240 They say I'm phenomenal.

04:41:30.540 They say I'm fantastic. 1.00

04:41:31.260 And she wasn't buying none of that shit. 1.00

04:41:33.440 She was like, nope, I don't fucking believe a word that you're saying. 1.00

04:41:36.740 And so she's thinking from an outsider's look in, same thing, right? 1.00

04:41:40.740 They're probably going to think, big red fucking flag. 0.99

04:41:44.900 I see how it's contradictory. 1.00

04:41:45.820 You see what I mean?

04:41:46.500 I'm not disagreeing with you.

04:41:47.980 Well, it's not contradictory.

04:41:49.160 I'm just saying that you haven't contradicted yourself.

04:41:52.580 I totally believe you.

04:41:53.560 You don't post any of those pics for the purpose of male validation.

04:41:57.360 I really don't.

04:41:58.080 100% believe you.

04:42:00.000 But if we can flip the coin for a second.

04:42:02.780 I could see the perspective.

04:42:03.900 And I don't think that it was inherently wrong.

04:42:05.500 I think the way that it was presented was wrong, where he was saying, like, so you don't just

04:42:11.020 post pictures of your boobs for, like, validation in men, like, that's all you want from it kind

04:42:15.160 of thing. 0.97

04:42:15.540 And then him assuming from that, that I've slept with a bunch of people and all that

04:42:19.080 stuff and deciding not to believe me when I told him no.

04:42:22.460 You know what I mean?

04:42:23.300 But I don't think there's actually anything wrong with men looking at certain cues that

04:42:27.940 tend to be associated with female promiscuity and just jumping to those conclusions.

04:42:33.620 Like, if a woman is blasted in tattoos, sternum tattoos, dresses a certain way, I'm going to 1.00

04:42:39.760 assume, for example, she's not a virgin.

04:42:42.640 We actually had a woman on the show, like, two weeks ago. 0.84

04:42:44.540 Andrew, you were there.

04:42:46.300 Three girls claimed to be virgins.

04:42:48.760 I don't know what the truth was.

04:42:50.220 One of them on her Instagram, like, had a sternum tattoo and, like, a full thing on her side. 0.99

04:42:57.080 I'm like, could a virgin be blasted in tattoos like that?

04:43:03.720 I suppose. 0.99

04:43:04.500 You don't need to have sex in order to get tattoos.

04:43:07.740 But I'm just going to jump to conclusions anyways as a guy and be like, 0.53

04:43:11.960 Since when does a woman with a sternum tattoo, like, how are you a virgin? 1.00

04:43:19.880 You think because I post that it alludes to that I'm not a virgin?

04:43:23.020 No.

04:43:23.440 No, no, no.

04:43:24.260 No.

04:43:24.680 And he wasn't even conflating it to you.

04:43:25.760 It was about the sternum.

04:43:26.680 Yeah, he's just saying, he's saying from my perspective, this entire tattoo thing would

04:43:31.940 be a massive red flag that would cause me to disbelieve your motivations or disbelieve

04:43:37.560 the things that you're saying.

04:43:39.160 And so in the same case here with this guy that you're dating, he's thinking the same

04:43:42.700 thing, right?

04:43:43.740 Sure.

04:43:44.560 Oh, yeah, sure.

04:43:45.600 That was for girls because you wanted to show your body valid. 1.00

04:43:48.460 You know what I mean?

04:43:49.380 From his perspective, of course, you're not going to think that because every other woman

04:43:53.480 who's posting similar pics like this, and we're pattern recognition machines, right?

04:43:58.240 Yeah. 1.00

04:43:58.480 And most of them are out humping everything with a penis. 1.00

04:44:00.540 So they're like, ah, I'm not sure, right? 1.00

04:44:03.700 Yeah.

04:44:04.340 I could see how it was presented.

04:44:05.860 That way, I think it was more the way that he said it is what I took offense to and the

04:44:09.660 not believing me after conversation was like one of the many red flags that happened all

04:44:14.340 on that same date.

04:44:15.220 Gave you the ick.

04:44:16.160 He gave me the ick several times. 0.99

04:44:17.240 He was also just a very, not insecure because of the, you know, potential slut shaming, 0.94

04:44:22.420 but insecure in the fact that he was actually just a very insecure man. 0.93

04:44:24.620 Can you look right at the camera and say, he gave me the ick?

04:44:27.180 Which camera do I look at?

04:44:28.100 That one.

04:44:28.720 That one?

04:44:29.040 Which one?

04:44:29.440 Which one do I look at?

04:44:30.720 Look at this one.

04:44:32.000 This one.

04:44:32.400 Center?

04:44:32.920 Nope.

04:44:33.360 This one.

04:44:34.640 Ready?

04:44:35.600 We're good?

04:44:36.120 There you go.

04:44:36.540 One, two, three.

04:44:38.280 He gave me the ick.

04:44:39.420 The major ick.

04:44:40.700 The major ick.

04:44:41.560 I do have to move things on here.

04:44:43.180 Going to Gracie, you said your first boyfriend's situationship cheated on you.

04:44:46.860 While you were out of town for your sister's wedding, you found out through other people

04:44:50.180 texting, asking if we were together and sending me pics of them together.

04:44:54.040 So you said first boyfriend slash situationship.

04:44:56.940 It's working out well for you.

04:44:58.300 So it was your boyfriend or not your boyfriend?

04:45:00.760 On and off, but it was like a high school, sophomore year relationship.

04:45:05.020 Very immature.

04:45:06.200 I didn't know very much.

04:45:07.440 He didn't either.

04:45:09.740 But we were dating at the time of this happening, but we were like on and off affiliated with

04:45:15.600 each other for like a year, year and a half.

04:45:18.600 So were there any overt communications about monogamy or just seeing each other?

04:45:23.420 This is exclusive.

04:45:24.040 We were exclusively seeing each other for the whole like year and a half that we were

04:45:27.420 affiliated.

04:45:31.020 Was there an overt conversation about that?

04:45:34.380 Yes.

04:45:34.780 Multiple times.

04:45:35.960 Okay.

04:45:36.300 So we're monogamous.

04:45:38.320 We're just seeing each other.

04:45:39.780 Okay.

04:45:40.220 Yeah.

04:45:40.860 Okay.

04:45:41.200 Well, I mean, he cheated on you.

04:45:42.340 So I'm from California.

04:45:44.860 My sister lives in Utah.

04:45:46.320 She's like nine years older than me.

04:45:48.580 She was getting married.

04:45:49.980 And once again, like this was in high school.

04:45:52.060 So there was an upcoming dance.

04:45:54.720 I think it was homecoming or something.

04:45:56.900 And in the weeks leading up to the dance, I was like, oh, dang it.

04:45:59.820 Like I can't go.

04:46:00.520 My sister's wedding is happening.

04:46:02.160 Blah, blah, blah.

04:46:02.560 I communicated it.

04:46:03.480 And what set it off like immediately as just weird was that he asked if he could bring

04:46:08.800 another girl. 0.96

04:46:10.120 And I was just thrown off in general.

04:46:12.260 I was like, first of all, why would you want to?

04:46:15.240 Second of all, I don't understand the point because everybody in the group they were going

04:46:19.940 with didn't have a date.

04:46:21.560 Like all the guys, if they didn't have a girlfriend, they didn't bring anyone.

04:46:24.420 And I would say it's like 50-50 who didn't have girlfriends.

04:46:29.680 Wait, he asked you if he could bring another girl?

04:46:32.160 Yes.

04:46:32.460 He asked me if I could bring another girl.

04:46:34.780 Savage.

04:46:35.940 To the dance or to the wedding?

04:46:37.660 To the dance.

04:46:38.260 Oh, okay.

04:46:38.820 I was going out of town for the wedding.

04:46:40.420 That's not right.

04:46:41.100 And I was already bummed because like, again, this was my first like guy who's ever really

04:46:46.320 shown interest in me.

04:46:47.920 So I was so excited to have like a dance, a guy to go to a dance with, you know?

04:46:52.980 But besides the point, I was way more excited for my sister's wedding.

04:46:55.960 So I go, I'm just like, okay, I'll make the most of it.

04:46:58.980 Like this is such an exciting thing to be at.

04:47:01.600 And the reception and ceremony happened to be the exact same day as the dance.

04:47:06.900 So like nighttime rolls around, I'm at the wedding party and I start getting these texts

04:47:12.960 from people and Utah is one hour ahead of California time.

04:47:16.700 So I'm getting texts like the night is winding down while the after party for whatever dance

04:47:21.900 was going on is happening.

04:47:24.240 And multiple people like from different friend groups start texting me like, do you like,

04:47:29.600 are you guys dating officially?

04:47:31.460 Like, cause everybody kind of knew that we were at least affiliated or just with each

04:47:35.540 other and weren't seeing other people.

04:47:37.420 So it was just like a weird vibe I'd imagine seeing from an outsider's perspective.

04:47:42.100 So I was receiving all these texts just kind of thrown off and I didn't want to talk to

04:47:48.440 him about it immediately because I was just like, this is going to ruin the night that

04:47:52.160 I'm having.

04:47:52.620 Like, I don't want to ruin my sister's wedding over this, you know?

04:47:55.800 So I let it be.

04:47:57.320 And then eventually when I got back to my hotel room, the party was still happening.

04:48:01.380 So being a girl that I am, I made a fake Snapchat account.

04:48:04.720 Nobody knows this, not even like my sister.

04:48:08.540 I made a fake Snapchat account and I added him.

04:48:12.760 And of course he added me back immediately.

04:48:15.180 And I started snapping him like black screens, like trying to talk to him, like engaging in

04:48:19.800 conversation with him.

04:48:21.380 And maybe like four snaps in, I'm like, oh, do you have a girlfriend by the way?

04:48:27.840 Just to see what he would say.

04:48:29.120 Cause I was like, what is he telling this girl?

04:48:31.200 Which by the way, if I'm with a guy at a party and he's snapping a girl he just added

04:48:36.340 on Snapchat, that is so weird.

04:48:37.980 Just a bajillion red flags going up regardless.

04:48:41.260 But he responds to that with, I don't have a girlfriend. 0.99

04:48:44.540 And I was just like, okay, I'm lighting his ass up. 0.97

04:48:46.380 Like this is not happening, whatever. 0.92

04:48:49.220 But I decided to, again, keep it calm until I got back home to actually talk to him about

04:48:54.000 it.

04:48:55.680 But everything kind of unfolded once I got back home.

04:48:59.280 I was just kind of over it.

04:49:01.020 And I saw photos from both his phone and two other people who, again, weren't in the

04:49:08.860 same friend group, just happened to like snipe them together at the party.

04:49:12.540 Cause they were like, this is wrong.

04:49:14.000 She needs to know about it.

04:49:15.640 And yeah, I went over to his house, yelled at him to the point where his mom like came

04:49:21.300 out and was like, I think it's time to go.

04:49:24.140 Like the neighbors can hear you.

04:49:26.260 But yeah, that was the end of that.

04:49:28.380 And I'm typically not very angry, like as a person.

04:49:32.020 So it took a lot out of me.

04:49:34.140 But yeah.

04:49:34.600 How did you yell at him?

04:49:36.960 Like pretend I'm your ex boyfriend.

04:49:39.300 Oh, I was.

04:49:40.360 Go ahead.

04:49:40.700 Yell at me.

04:49:41.120 I had a whole like.

04:49:43.460 No, let's do it.

04:49:44.120 It wasn't even.

04:49:44.780 Roll play.

04:49:45.060 Let's do it.

04:49:45.540 Go ahead.

04:49:46.060 I would have to really dial in right now.

04:49:47.900 Yeah, dial in.

04:49:48.540 I'm trying to think.

04:49:49.500 Cause I had a whole like list.

04:49:52.860 I had a list of things that I was going through, like that bothered me, that hurt me, just

04:49:58.600 everything.

04:49:59.660 And I was just one after another, you know, there were bullet points.

04:50:02.960 Yeah, exactly.

04:50:03.640 I had bullet points.

04:50:04.500 He got a couple words in, but there wasn't much for him to say anyway.

04:50:07.520 But yeah, I don't even think I could reenact it.

04:50:11.960 How about just the tone?

04:50:13.440 What was the tone?

04:50:15.840 I don't know.

04:50:16.740 It was very therapeutic.

04:50:18.020 I can say that, but.

04:50:21.440 Were you yelling?

04:50:22.380 You said you were yelling.

04:50:23.040 I was yelling.

04:50:23.940 I was yelling because it started as just a conversation because I genuinely wanted to hear what he had

04:50:27.980 to say.

04:50:28.540 It was, to me, it was funny at that point because I was so over it.

04:50:32.240 But yeah, the switch definitely flipped and I started yelling at him pretty like.

04:50:38.180 Hmm.

04:50:39.000 Okay.

04:50:39.340 Pretty angrily.

04:50:40.560 Well, what did he say?

04:50:42.780 Was he making excuses?

04:50:43.300 He started like profusely apologizing after, well, at first he was trying to.

04:50:48.780 So he was with, was he just with a girl?

04:50:53.300 Like were they doing things?

04:50:55.600 Yes.

04:50:55.860 Maybe I missed that part.

04:50:57.200 He, like they made out or something, something like that.

04:51:01.800 I don't, that's the issue is I still don't even know what fully happened, but I did see

04:51:07.100 a like photo of them like making out.

04:51:10.640 So that, at least I know that happened, you know, exactly.

04:51:14.400 Yeah.

04:51:14.960 Next thing.

04:51:15.660 Okay.

04:51:15.840 Your boyfriend lied to you about not being a what?

04:51:20.200 So this was my most recent boyfriend.

04:51:22.880 And if we can, can you just condense?

04:51:25.420 You got to try to condense it.

04:51:27.420 Okay.

04:51:28.040 So this is the guy I dated for about six months.

04:51:31.440 At the beginning of the relationship, he seemed pretty insecure, just like kind of questioned

04:51:36.440 a lot of stuff about me.

04:51:37.500 And one of the things he tried to bring up a lot was just like sex and body count and

04:51:43.680 that type of thing.

04:51:44.280 And I don't know if he was trying to impress me or show me that he was like experienced

04:51:51.080 or something, which to me kind of put me off.

04:51:52.760 But he said that he had, I don't even remember what number it was, but like a decently, like

04:51:58.280 a moderately high body count.

04:51:59.640 And I was just like, okay, like, I don't really care about that.

04:52:02.680 I understand.

04:52:04.060 I don't really care.

04:52:05.200 And come to find out after everything unfolded that he was a virgin and just never told me.

04:52:13.940 And not only did he not tell me, he would like make up stories about these girls.

04:52:20.700 And a lot of them I like personally knew, because this was a guy who went to the same

04:52:25.380 high school as me. 0.93

04:52:26.800 So I would like go out and see these people and be like, oh, so he's like had sex with 0.99

04:52:31.440 her. 1.00

04:52:31.640 He's had sex with her. 0.99

04:52:32.320 Like, okay, noted. 0.97

04:52:33.360 And then just, I found out through his friend after we broke up that he was a virgin, which

04:52:40.120 isn't a problem, is not a problem at all.

04:52:42.620 It's just a lie about it.

04:52:43.680 Why would you lie about it?

04:52:44.620 In-depth stories about it.

04:52:45.360 Exactly.

04:52:45.940 Why would you lie about it?

04:52:47.560 Women lie about being virgins all the time. 1.00

04:52:50.080 But like telling in-depth stories with name drops is a little, yeah, that's a little wild.

04:52:54.700 But even so, woman or man, like why would anyone, you know, like he just has to be a guy.

04:52:59.320 We're not, we don't have to throw it out.

04:53:00.880 Like, well, women. 0.99

04:53:01.420 But, you know, I think that's so crazy.

04:53:03.940 Hold on, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.

04:53:05.620 One person at a time.

04:53:06.800 Go ahead.

04:53:07.860 Oh, no.

04:53:08.440 I just think that that is crazy, man or woman doing that. 1.00

04:53:11.140 That someone would be like making up stories about who they, oh, and I slept with her and

04:53:15.640 like, especially telling stories in depth, like man or woman, that's wrong.

04:53:19.600 Yeah.

04:53:19.660 It was off-putting to say the least.

04:53:21.760 Well, I mean, men would lie about it so that they, he can be seen as more experienced.

04:53:28.540 And then women will lie in the opposite way so they can come off as more innocent or pure 1.00

04:53:34.900 or whatever.

04:53:35.860 So both are wrong though.

04:53:37.760 Like the best thing is just people to tell the truth.

04:53:39.800 I think you should be honest.

04:53:40.940 Tell the truth about how many you've slept with.

04:53:42.320 Yeah, of course.

04:53:42.340 I think you should be honest.

04:53:43.540 Yeah.

04:53:43.840 I think it's also one thing to be like, say it's a number, like, oh, like I slept with

04:53:47.360 two girls, but telling like in-depth stories and saying people that you know and we all

04:53:51.160 know are the ones that he had slept with.

04:53:53.220 Were you a, were you a virgin?

04:53:55.260 Yes.

04:53:55.680 At the time, yeah.

04:53:56.340 You were both virgins.

04:53:58.300 Aw.

04:53:59.580 Right?

04:54:00.940 Okay.

04:54:01.360 Yeah, they were both virgins.

04:54:02.000 Because I could maybe, like, I could sort of understand the justification of a man, like

04:54:06.300 if he's dating a girl who's not a virgin and he's a virgin, he wouldn't want, like, again,

04:54:11.600 I think you should tell the truth, but I can sort of understand, understand it a little

04:54:15.200 bit.

04:54:15.720 I'm not saying it's right, but you said love bombing and how easy it can be to be blind

04:54:20.780 to it.

04:54:21.740 This is the same guy.

04:54:23.300 Okay.

04:54:23.740 Can you be brief though?

04:54:24.840 Yeah.

04:54:25.080 I mean, it's just kind of general stuff.

04:54:26.860 Again, he was like the second guy who gave me a lot of male attention and I thought it

04:54:33.300 was great, whatever, like he's really into me.

04:54:36.000 This is great.

04:54:36.900 He like acknowledges things that I don't think most people see about me and I just felt really

04:54:41.360 seen and understood and supported and it ended up being a lot of manipulation that I

04:54:47.320 was kind of blind to until it was way too late and then even at that point, like, this

04:54:52.080 is the guy I tried to break up with like three months in.

04:54:53.900 And at that point, even after I broke up with him, because subconsciously, well, not

04:54:57.880 subconsciously, consciously, I knew that it was not good for me, that something was going

04:55:02.400 wrong.

04:55:03.900 After I tried to, I was like broken down and I didn't, like I genuinely thought my life

04:55:10.220 was like going to be nothing without him, like all these just toxic thoughts.

04:55:14.540 And after a lot of, a lot of like thoughts on that, I realized that it was all just love

04:55:22.700 bombing.

04:55:25.640 Okay.

04:55:27.300 You said specifically for the women dating to decide if you like the guy, not if he likes

04:55:32.040 you or trying to fit the mold you think he wants you to fit.

04:55:35.520 Yeah.

04:55:35.980 I mean, I think that kind of says it all.

04:55:38.440 It's super easy to go out with somebody and be like, oh, do they like me?

04:55:43.700 Like, I wonder what they think about me, especially as a girl.

04:55:47.480 Like we are taught to appease people, especially men just growing up.

04:55:52.240 And I think it's really easy to fall into that instead of thinking like, oh, how will this

04:55:58.360 guy be able to further my life? 0.99

04:56:00.740 Well, hold on, but it's not clear to me as a woman, if you would even give a fuck, if 0.99

04:56:09.380 like you wouldn't, if you don't like the guy, why would you give a fuck if he likes you 0.99

04:56:15.680 or not? 0.98

04:56:16.320 So the only scenario where you would come to this, like, does he like me thing?

04:56:22.200 Cause I hear this thing of like, you shouldn't worry if like the guy likes you, you have to

04:56:27.680 think, do I like the guy?

04:56:29.440 Like, right?

04:56:30.760 Cause that's what you wrote, dating to decide if you like the guy, but you're only going

04:56:35.640 to be thinking that if you like the guy.

04:56:38.360 No, no.

04:56:39.400 Can I add something? 1.00

04:56:40.500 You're going to, you're going to just try to fuck a guy you don't like. 1.00

04:56:43.060 No, no. 1.00

04:56:43.440 I think that what, no, I think that what that means, what that means is some women, let's 1.00

04:56:49.180 say they are.

04:56:50.100 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

04:56:51.180 I'll let you say your thing, but it's okay.

04:56:52.740 No, let's say someone's going for validation that maybe they are liking this validation they're

04:56:58.200 getting from this person, giving them this attention, this love when they're going, wow,

04:57:01.820 this is so great.

04:57:02.840 Oh, like, because they're receiving this love.

04:57:04.920 So the question is rather than just looking, oh, and am I pretty enough?

04:57:09.160 Am I good?

04:57:09.500 Am I skinny?

04:57:09.940 Am I, am I this enough for this person?

04:57:11.500 Hey, take a pause, woman. 1.00

04:57:13.820 Look at this guy.

04:57:14.800 Who is he?

04:57:15.320 What does he do?

04:57:15.900 Do you like it?

04:57:16.480 Do you guys have things in common?

04:57:17.640 Rather than getting caught up in the fact that he's giving you all this love and attention.

04:57:21.060 That's, I think, what the core is of that quote, though.

04:57:23.280 Okay, hold on.

04:57:23.640 This is crazy.

04:57:24.520 Right?

04:57:24.980 Am I right?

04:57:25.520 Exactly.

04:57:25.720 Thank you.

04:57:26.620 That was part of it.

04:57:27.080 No, no, no.

04:57:27.460 That's actually crazy.

04:57:28.400 That's actually crazy because women are bombarded with attention and validation, and you guys

04:57:35.680 have no issue curving, ignoring, and rejecting those men.

04:57:41.560 Right?

04:57:42.580 You're right.

04:57:43.140 Bro, like, you think if I just show interest in a girl, that's enough to get her to like

04:57:50.620 me back?

04:57:51.360 Hell no. 0.99

04:57:51.840 Women are way more picky than men are. 1.00

04:57:54.000 Women ask for way more than men do. 1.00

04:57:56.260 So how could it possibly be the case that I don't even see how that makes any sense?

04:58:01.780 Well, I don't know if I could necessarily explain it further, but literally, every single

04:58:05.180 woman is not like, oh, yes, it's 100% relatable. 1.00

04:58:07.620 No, it's like an empty platitude.

04:58:09.940 It's like an empty platitude.

04:58:11.020 Dude, you got to figure out if you like the guy, not like, does he like, like, it doesn't

04:58:18.100 make any sense.

04:58:18.720 It's more like, do you, not based off of like, not just initial attraction.

04:58:23.480 We're talking about people, I think, in general, if we can all agree that we're already initially

04:58:26.340 physically attracted to.

04:58:28.300 It's, do you like the attention that they're giving you and the validation and they're saying

04:58:31.700 the right things to you?

04:58:33.140 So it makes you think, oh, like, I can really see a future with this guy.

04:58:36.740 If you're talking to him, it would, you wouldn't care. 0.97

04:58:39.420 But we're not talking about just like fucking the guy, we're talking about like going into 0.98

04:58:42.320 a relationship, like seeing if it's worth going into a relationship with, right? 0.98

04:58:45.380 Yeah.

04:58:45.880 But if the things weren't there that made you attracted to him, there would be no questioning.

04:58:50.640 But we're saying like.

04:58:51.580 On a deeper level, not just physical.

04:58:53.300 Like, is he not just giving me attention and validation?

04:58:55.600 I find him physically attractive.

04:58:56.880 Is there something deeper here?

04:58:58.260 Can we have good conversation?

04:58:59.480 Is he a man that I could see being in my future?

04:59:02.220 Or is he just giving me the attention that I need right now?

04:59:06.800 I think that's the kind of difference.

04:59:11.760 Do you get, you get what I'm saying?

04:59:13.020 I mean.

04:59:13.340 Is that confusing?

04:59:14.260 A little bit, a little bit.

04:59:15.840 Because I, I think the part that's blowing you off is like, or does he just like me?

04:59:18.820 It's more like he's saying the right things and giving me the attention and I am physically

04:59:22.740 attracted to him.

04:59:24.320 But is there something like deeper here?

04:59:25.900 Like is there an actual connection?

04:59:27.040 And is it just word without action backed up?

04:59:29.820 And then now you as a woman are projecting all these things into the future. 0.99

04:59:33.140 And oh, and what the wedding's going to be like.

04:59:34.520 And then it's just like, whoa, pull it back.

04:59:36.700 Look at this guy.

04:59:37.400 What does his Monday through Friday look like?

04:59:39.120 Is he just playing video games 24 seven?

04:59:41.720 Does he have a job?

04:59:43.060 Like are these words just empty words with no promises?

04:59:46.200 Is he saying that to seven other women right now?

04:59:48.300 Like, you know what I'm saying?

04:59:49.500 Like it's like a man could be giving me attention and I could be like.

04:59:54.960 Like someone could have like a hole in their heart almost.

04:59:57.740 Like there's something missing.

04:59:58.640 So then a man's giving you this attention.

05:00:00.220 You are almost for a time.

05:00:02.420 It's this, it's an instant gratification.

05:00:03.940 Oh, yay.

05:00:04.700 Oh, that, oh, that's great.

05:00:05.900 But it's like rather than just jumping into a relationship with that person, which people

05:00:09.600 can do because it feels good.

05:00:11.380 This instant gratification.

05:00:12.160 You can pause and actually assess who that person is and is there something more there

05:00:17.060 or is this someone who you're in a way just using to fill a void where you don't have

05:00:20.960 to face yourself and whatever struggles you're facing inside.

05:00:23.860 Bars. 0.86

05:00:24.700 Thank you.

05:00:25.040 I just feel like that's dating.

05:00:26.100 It's like liking the idea of a guy versus actually liking him.

05:00:29.220 So just dating.

05:00:30.300 I just don't understand this whole like, I shouldn't be focused on if he likes me.

05:00:35.820 I need to figure out if I like him.

05:00:37.980 Yeah.

05:00:38.840 Like, I think it's just easy to get lost in the idea of like, oh, this guy's into me.

05:00:43.300 So I have to be into him back.

05:00:45.740 Women are, hold on. 1.00

05:00:47.320 This is maybe something that can apply to men, but women are bombarded with sexual and romantic

05:00:53.520 attention.

05:00:54.620 So you guys have no problem curving and rejecting guys who are into you.

05:00:59.740 You do it all the time.

05:01:02.400 So I don't understand that.

05:01:03.380 You're saying every single guy who shows interest in you, you end up dating them?

05:01:08.720 No.

05:01:09.180 And I also don't feel like...

05:01:09.960 You're an attractive woman.

05:01:10.120 You're all attractive women. 1.00

05:01:12.240 Well, hold on.

05:01:13.280 Why are you with me?

05:01:14.580 Hold on.

05:01:15.520 We're all tens.

05:01:16.760 Everyone of us is a tens.

05:01:18.320 Everyone's...

05:01:18.920 Oh, sorry.

05:01:19.460 You're all tens.

05:01:20.240 You're all tens.

05:01:21.280 Man.

05:01:21.620 All tens.

05:01:23.340 Brutality.

05:01:23.980 You're all attractive women. 1.00

05:01:24.980 I'm sure you have a lot of potential suitors.

05:01:27.180 I'm sure you have a lot if you're on Instagram, dating apps, in person, whatever.

05:01:30.620 I'm sure there's no shortage of men who find you attractive, who'd want to date you.

05:01:35.900 I'm also sure that there's no shortage of men.

05:01:38.900 No shortage. 1.00

05:01:40.180 God damn. 1.00

05:01:41.320 What the fuck? 1.00

05:01:41.700 Two for two. 1.00

05:01:42.320 Sorry.

05:01:42.560 I swear.

05:01:43.060 It's the champagne.

05:01:44.220 I'm drunk. 1.00

05:01:46.060 That strong ass... 1.00

05:01:48.080 It's actually German champagne. 1.00

05:01:50.000 Hey.

05:01:51.100 So there's no shortage of...

05:01:53.860 Why can't I say this word?

05:01:56.060 There's no shortage of men you just reject.

05:02:01.540 No shortage.

05:02:02.040 But we're saying only guys that we find attractive initially.

05:02:04.760 Huh?

05:02:05.060 We're saying only guys that we find attractive initially, though.

05:02:07.360 And they're giving us the attention.

05:02:09.280 It's like, do you like him on a deeper level?

05:02:11.000 Or is it...

05:02:11.100 Oh, no.

05:02:12.100 You're attractive.

05:02:13.080 You like a guy who you find physically attractive.

05:02:15.460 Heaven forbid.

05:02:16.660 We're not talking about just, like, sleeping with the guy.

05:02:19.220 We're talking about having and establishing an actual relationship.

05:02:21.280 I think you guys are arguing past each other.

05:02:24.420 So you're essentially saying the same thing, just in different ways.

05:02:29.260 So Brian's right.

05:02:30.360 He's saying, listen, if the attraction in this type of thing wasn't there to begin with, 0.97

05:02:36.320 then you wouldn't give a shit if this person had any reciprocal interest or not. 0.95

05:02:43.760 And so that's true. 0.98

05:02:45.040 I don't think that there's any way that that cannot be true.

05:02:47.260 But if what you mean by this is, even if that interest is reciprocal, I still have to make

05:02:53.240 a decision as to whether I actually do like him, then I don't think that there's any conflict

05:02:57.760 here.

05:02:58.260 I think that that makes sense on both angles.

05:03:00.560 Is that what's going on?

05:03:02.260 Yeah.

05:03:02.960 I think it's...

05:03:03.640 It's just, like, literally what going on a date is.

05:03:05.580 You're going on a date to find out if you vibe with someone.

05:03:09.460 I don't get how it's, like, a 10-minute discussion.

05:03:12.300 Anyways, I will move it on a little bit.

05:03:15.480 But going back to more of your notes, Gracie, you got some bombs in here. 0.88

05:03:18.960 You just kind of intuit some things, right?

05:03:20.840 Yeah.

05:03:21.340 It's like, yeah, this is just how it is.

05:03:23.360 What is your eye?

05:03:24.200 She's got bombs. 1.00

05:03:26.180 Some of them I may not want to elaborate on.

05:03:28.820 Sure.

05:03:29.180 You think women and men play very different roles in relationships, and leaning into your

05:03:33.040 role is what can make a relationship long-lasting, healthy, and fulfilling for both parties.

05:03:37.600 So what are the different roles?

05:03:38.480 I mean, I think we kind of went into this with, like, the whole chasing whatever type

05:03:44.140 of thing.

05:03:44.900 But especially when it comes to, like, women just naturally being more emotional, like, 1.00

05:03:49.880 I think it's important for women to tap into that and allow for a man to be a, like, supporter, 0.99

05:03:56.520 you know?

05:03:57.700 What do you mean supporter?

05:03:58.880 I don't want to say supporter.

05:03:59.840 More like a provider.

05:04:00.900 Listening to you bicker? 0.71

05:04:02.900 No, I kind of mean it the opposite way.

05:04:05.780 Like, women should emotionally support men while women can. 1.00

05:04:11.640 Like, we have a strong suit in emotionally supporting people as a whole, and specifically

05:04:15.880 men, while they typically would provide. 0.63

05:04:18.940 And I think that is great.

05:04:19.820 Why did you laugh at that?

05:04:24.720 I thought you were laughing at the whole, like, women emotionally supporting men. 1.00

05:04:29.060 You wouldn't have much of a podcast if you all just sat here quiet, though.

05:04:32.180 True.

05:04:32.360 Oh, I'm not talking about that.

05:04:33.320 I'm talking about in a relationship.

05:04:34.980 Yeah, I don't argue about dating dynamics with, like, if I'm dating a girl, it's the 1.00

05:04:38.720 last thing I want to do when I'm not dating somebody.

05:04:43.240 But it's okay.

05:04:44.700 Women, they support their man. 0.99

05:04:47.220 Isn't it the opposite, though?

05:04:48.260 Men are, like, women are, oh, you cheated on me in a dream. 1.00

05:04:53.000 Oh, fuck you. 1.00

05:04:55.060 Oh, you cheated. 1.00

05:04:56.320 It's your fault that I dreamt of you cheating on him.

05:05:00.260 Yeah, I've done that a couple times.

05:05:01.500 Oh, you've done it.

05:05:02.640 Yeah, I was dating a girl once, and she was like, I dreamed.

05:05:05.920 Now make me feel better about my dream. 1.00

05:05:07.620 Fuck you. 1.00

05:05:07.920 You were in my dream. 1.00

05:05:08.460 Now make me feel better about my dream.

05:05:10.400 But I think it's important to feel that and to, like, not that specific example, but to

05:05:16.260 tap into your emotions as a woman.

05:05:18.620 Wait, so what are the different roles, though?

05:05:21.200 Like, so the woman emotionally supports.

05:05:23.340 I don't have, like, a fully, like, fledged out argument on this.

05:05:26.660 What about the woman is submissive? 0.93

05:05:28.320 What do you think about that?

05:05:29.800 I think that in a marriage, I think that.

05:05:32.840 Well, who said anything about marriage?

05:05:34.400 I think in a marriage.

05:05:35.360 Should be on the first date.

05:05:36.400 Nick, pull up the bow video.

05:05:37.700 Oh, my gosh.

05:05:39.340 I need this on the first date.

05:05:41.260 First date.

05:05:41.700 I think it depends on the type of woman to begin with, but typically, like, for myself, 0.99

05:05:49.520 I would be so happy to, like, raise children and be fulfilled in that way.

05:05:54.820 But once again, I can't speak for every woman, and I don't mean to, you know?

05:05:59.000 Well, you can still be submissive before you're married. 0.90

05:06:04.680 I'm here to learn and change my mind, so please.

05:06:08.280 How do you say submissive in German?

05:06:10.680 I don't know.

05:06:11.820 You don't know?

05:06:12.560 I don't know.

05:06:13.360 You don't know?

05:06:13.720 Do you know what I'm talking about, though?

05:06:15.160 Say it another time.

05:06:16.540 Well, why did you laugh?

05:06:17.660 What was funny?

05:06:20.660 Because everyone else was laughing.

05:06:21.520 Because you were looking at her, and then...

05:06:23.480 Wait, I'm what?

05:06:24.520 You were looking at her, and then she said you.

05:06:26.640 The irony of me being a dominatrix, we're talking about submissive women. 0.98

05:06:30.700 Wait.

05:06:31.620 Is that...

05:06:32.240 I don't think that was...

05:06:33.200 No, I was just curious.

05:06:33.960 I just don't think she...

05:06:34.640 I didn't even make a connection.

05:06:36.240 I'm looking at her.

05:06:36.840 I don't know.

05:06:37.540 Was it the way I was looking at her?

05:06:39.300 I'm not sure it's going on.

05:06:40.440 I was looking at you?

05:06:41.920 No, I just...

05:06:43.120 Her?

05:06:43.760 I just started laughing because you were looking at her.

05:06:46.520 Oh, like from five minutes ago?

05:06:48.220 Well, not from five minutes ago?

05:06:49.980 Yeah.

05:06:50.380 Like the 10 thing, and then I...

05:06:51.720 I'm so fucking lost right now. 0.79

05:06:53.140 I don't know what's going on. 0.96

05:06:54.540 It was like a delayed...

05:06:56.420 Hold on.

05:06:56.780 It was like a...

05:06:58.220 Five minutes later?

05:07:02.340 No, it's good.

05:07:03.400 Wait, it's okay.

05:07:04.340 That's kind of all I have to elaborate on.

05:07:06.000 Should women be submissive to men? 1.00

05:07:10.600 I don't want to take a polarized stance on that because I think...

05:07:14.560 No, take a polarized stance.

05:07:15.460 I don't want to.

05:07:16.180 You can, though.

05:07:16.980 But I don't want to.

05:07:18.080 And I think that...

05:07:18.620 Is that like the hot button issue, being submissive?

05:07:21.600 I don't think that's pretty tame.

05:07:23.120 I just don't want to speak for people who might feel differently than me, you know?

05:07:27.240 No, you can.

05:07:28.580 For me personally...

05:07:30.080 For me personally, I would love to be a stay-at-home mom and be submissive to my husband.

05:07:36.340 But I'm not going to say that that's right for every woman. 0.99

05:07:38.680 No, you can say that.

05:07:39.640 Say it.

05:07:40.040 I don't want to.

05:07:40.880 Say it.

05:07:41.060 And I'm not going to.

05:07:41.520 Say it with your chest.

05:07:42.440 Don't say it.

05:07:43.120 I'm not going to.

05:07:43.860 Say it with your chest, Gracie.

05:07:45.380 Well, let me ask it a different way.

05:07:47.740 Do you think that the results for most women, if they followed the idea of being a stay-at-home mom and submission to their husband,

05:07:57.560 that the results for most of them would probably be good?

05:08:02.280 Yeah.

05:08:02.560 I think in general, that is what brings women the most fulfillment. 1.00

05:08:08.540 Yeah.

05:08:08.760 But I do think that that may be different for some people, and that's why I don't want to make a point that's the same.

05:08:12.660 And another way that this could be said, just so you know, is that she thinks most women should be submissive. 0.91

05:08:18.760 I just want to let you know that.

05:08:19.960 Okay.

05:08:20.620 So now both of you got what you wanted.

05:08:22.040 Thank you.

05:08:22.260 Boom.

05:08:22.740 Wait, is that a bad thing to say?

05:08:25.500 No, we're trying to get her to say it.

05:08:28.320 You can say it.

05:08:29.560 I just don't want to speak for people who aren't me.

05:08:31.480 I think that you could also be submissive and have a career and be a career. 0.98

05:08:36.700 I don't think that's the stupid thing. 0.98

05:08:38.420 Why do you think more women aren't having kids? 1.00

05:08:39.760 I think you're right.

05:08:40.760 I think you could be submissive and have a career unless your husband said, I don't want you to have a career. 0.94

05:08:49.460 I think being submissive and independent.

05:08:51.100 And then if you said no to him, that would be what?

05:08:52.760 That would be the opposite of submission, right?

05:08:54.260 What I would define submission as is that it's a discussion between the, like say there's an issue, it's a discussion.

05:09:00.000 But ultimately, if the man is financially responsible for the family and is the leader of the family, that he takes the final decision.

05:09:07.140 It doesn't sound like submission.

05:09:08.740 If he makes the final decision, how is that not submissive?

05:09:11.040 Well, because what if he doesn't want your input on the decision?

05:09:15.920 Okay, then no.

05:09:17.200 Okay, well then, hang on.

05:09:20.760 That's really weird.

05:09:22.760 Because that sounds like, it sounds to me like if he doesn't want your input on it at all.

05:09:28.540 Input at all.

05:09:29.440 And then he goes, not on everything, but just maybe one thing or two things.

05:09:33.500 That's fine. 0.96

05:09:33.780 If he's just like, yeah, I don't fucking care what you think about this. 0.94

05:09:37.000 I'm going to do this. 0.90

05:09:38.060 I think it depends on what the matter is.

05:09:39.560 If it's like where the kids are going to school or where we're living, I would like to have some sort of opinion on it.

05:09:43.300 Yeah, but what if he says, yeah, that's just a lack of respect, not submission.

05:09:47.260 I think it's a lack of respect.

05:09:47.820 I don't think it's submission.

05:09:48.700 How is it a lack of respect? 0.98

05:09:50.220 To not give a fuck about what your partner thinks. 0.99

05:09:53.280 In some instances, yeah, I wouldn't give a shit about what my wife thought about all kinds of things. 1.00

05:09:58.500 I wouldn't give a shit about what she thought about all sorts of different things. 0.99

05:10:02.520 I wouldn't give a fuck. 0.99

05:10:03.980 But here's the thing. 0.99

05:10:04.920 Why should I?

05:10:06.640 Because she's part of the partnership, too.

05:10:07.780 If ultimately I'm the decision maker, if there's certain things that I don't want her input on.

05:10:13.080 Because you don't care about how she feels or her opinion, then?

05:10:15.240 Because ultimately, regardless of how she feels or her opinion, I'm going to do it anyway.

05:10:20.520 I mean, I think that's a lack of respect in the relationship.

05:10:22.280 Why is that a lack of respect?

05:10:23.520 Because you're not respecting her feelings or what she would maybe want, even though it's ultimately your decision.

05:10:27.360 Well, then it sounds to me like you don't really want submission.

05:10:29.120 You want equality.

05:10:30.660 I don't.

05:10:31.120 And then that's fine.

05:10:32.060 It's equality where he pays for everything.

05:10:34.080 And then occasionally you'll let him have the final say.

05:10:37.200 Isn't that kind of you?

05:10:37.960 Not occasionally, no.

05:10:39.260 I'm still saying he can have the final say as long as it's a conversation that we can have.

05:10:42.580 Well, let's find out.

05:10:44.160 So you're with your husband.

05:10:45.860 Yeah.

05:10:46.160 Okay?

05:10:46.560 And you're like, I want the kids to go over here because it's 15 minutes closer.

05:10:50.780 Yeah.

05:10:51.180 Okay?

05:10:51.500 And that's going to make my day possible.

05:10:53.520 Otherwise, I'm going to have to rearrange everything. 0.99

05:10:55.080 It's going to be a big fucking pain in the ass. 1.00

05:10:56.980 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

05:10:57.900 I want him to go here.

05:10:59.100 And he says, yeah, I want him to go to this other school, though.

05:11:02.120 Why?

05:11:02.780 Yeah.

05:11:03.040 And he says, because I do.

05:11:06.200 Sorry, but...

05:11:06.800 Ah, yeah.

05:11:07.560 So that doesn't sound like submission to me.

05:11:10.260 That sounds like I have to convince you that I'm right and have you okay it.

05:11:16.820 That's what that sounds like to me.

05:11:18.260 This is the thing.

05:11:18.980 I would like to play a more submissive role in my marriage.

05:11:21.900 Maybe not complete submission, but a more submissive role.

05:11:24.760 Yeah, that's not submission. 0.99

05:11:26.000 That's just egalitarian bullshit. 0.99

05:11:27.560 You're masking as submission. 0.99

05:11:28.700 When I give you an example of a time where he says, I don't need to justify this.

05:11:33.580 This is what's going to happen.

05:11:34.820 You say, ah, well, it's not going to happen because you gave me no justification.

05:11:38.780 Hang on, let me finish, and then I'll let you talk.

05:11:41.260 You gave an example where he says, I don't need to give you a justification for this thing.

05:11:46.700 I just need it done, and I'm the decision maker.

05:11:48.720 You said, nope, that ain't going to fly.

05:11:51.180 I never said it's not going to happen.

05:11:52.540 I just think I wouldn't want to be a part of a marriage with someone that doesn't value my opinion.

05:11:55.900 Yeah, that you have to submit to.

05:11:57.460 I get it.

05:11:57.880 But I would want to submit to them, just have my opinion.

05:12:00.140 As long as they did exactly what you want, you would submit.

05:12:02.720 No, so I'm not sure you're not listening to what I'm saying.

05:12:04.480 That is fantastic.

05:12:05.320 You're not listening to what I'm saying.

05:12:06.000 I'm listening.

05:12:06.540 I'm saying that I'm fine with them making the ultimate decision if it coincides with everything you want.

05:12:11.520 But I would like there to be some logic behind it.

05:12:13.220 Them just saying because I want to is not like...

05:12:15.540 Wait, why does a person you're submitted to need to justify their logic to you?

05:12:20.440 Because I think that's basic respect.

05:12:21.820 Oh, okay, it's basic respect.

05:12:23.340 But even if they say, I don't want to justify the logic to you, I just want this done, right?

05:12:28.180 You say, no.

05:12:29.640 I'm not doing that unless it's within the purview of what I want.

05:12:33.760 You're missing the purview.

05:12:34.640 I'm not saying no.

05:12:35.780 What I'm saying is I wouldn't be in a marriage with someone.

05:12:37.600 Right, that you would have to submit to.

05:12:40.440 No.

05:12:40.700 So it's like pass it in.

05:12:42.320 Okay.

05:12:42.640 I don't think submission...

05:12:44.000 Sorry.

05:12:44.180 I think you can have...

05:12:45.280 That is fine.

05:12:46.180 She's allowed to have her own definition of what she wants in her life.

05:12:48.520 She can have a definition of submission as long as submission doesn't mean submission.

05:12:52.000 I'll admit that it's not complete submission.

05:12:53.900 But I would like to be a more submissive role in my marriage.

05:12:56.700 Is that a good stance?

05:12:58.180 Oh, yeah.

05:12:58.480 If you say, I'd like to be more submissive, but I would just kind of add the qualifier.

05:13:03.260 As long as you can justify to me what it is that you want to do and I agree with it, then that's the kind of marriage...

05:13:10.720 Because that's what you're actually saying you want.

05:13:12.600 I feel like it's beyond just that.

05:13:14.660 It's basic respect, like she said.

05:13:17.340 What's that?

05:13:18.080 It's basic respect, like she said, which I know that you disagree with, and that's fine.

05:13:22.620 But at the end of the day, that is respect.

05:13:25.300 What about the respect the other way?

05:13:27.600 For the person who is the decision maker?

05:13:28.200 Because it's to have an open conversation about it.

05:13:30.340 We're having a conversation right now.

05:13:32.180 To ask about it.

05:13:32.760 The most respectful thing you can do is adhere to my word.

05:13:35.700 So if that's the most respectful thing you can do is adhere to my word, not question it, then how are you respecting me as my wife?

05:13:42.240 I'm asking for reasoning.

05:13:43.640 We have different definitions of respect.

05:13:45.680 Different definitions of respect.

05:13:46.700 No, we have the same definition of respect.

05:13:48.960 I'm saying that respect means one thing to you when it comes to how you're treated.

05:13:53.100 I'm saying that there's also treatment the other direction.

05:13:56.000 You're assuming that a man wants to be respected the same way you do.

05:13:59.100 He doesn't.

05:13:59.820 And he has a whole different value structure of how he wants you to respect him.

05:14:03.760 How do you show respect to your wife?

05:14:05.360 Oh, all sorts of ways, right?

05:14:07.380 I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.

05:14:09.220 I adore her.

05:14:10.320 Absolutely adore her.

05:14:10.820 You give her whatever the hell she wants, but you have the ultimate decision?

05:14:13.080 Oh, yeah.

05:14:13.780 Yeah.

05:14:14.000 But here's the thing. 0.98

05:14:15.700 The reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen, that's the last word in it, and I don't even want to have the fucking conversation. 0.97

05:14:24.600 We don't. 0.97

05:14:25.980 We don't. 0.95

05:14:26.900 Now, she may really want to, and I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't fucking care because it's my decision ultimately. 0.62

05:14:35.380 So you don't care about how she feels? 0.88

05:14:37.120 I don't know.

05:14:37.480 I didn't say I didn't care how she feels.

05:14:38.800 I just don't care to have her question my authority autonomy over the marriage.

05:14:44.240 I don't care to have her do that. 0.67

05:14:45.700 But was there an initial conversation prior to that, or was it just like, we're doing this, don't ask me about it?

05:14:49.060 Depends on the context.

05:14:50.980 Sometimes.

05:14:51.420 I would say more for bigger decisions in life, not necessarily little things.

05:14:56.540 I think it's very situational.

05:14:57.400 Yeah, even larger decisions if ultimately I were to say, let's say I went home and I said, we're moving to Nevada in three weeks. 0.96

05:15:04.720 Get your bags packed, and I'm not going to have a fucking, I don't want to hear a word about it. 0.60

05:15:08.560 You're doing it, and that's the way it's going. 0.99

05:15:10.440 And you think that's respectful?

05:15:11.720 W.

05:15:12.020 I think that ultimately it's my choice and not hers. 0.92

05:15:16.100 Okay, but do you think that's respectful?

05:15:17.520 And how she shows me respect.

05:15:18.020 Yeah, that's how she shows me respect.

05:15:19.340 That's how the Bible wants it.

05:15:21.760 What the?

05:15:22.600 Oh, boy.

05:15:23.280 I mean, I don't think we're going to change each other's opinions, so I think it's fine.

05:15:27.560 Well, okay, from a biblical worldview, what does submission mean?

05:15:32.660 Being true in faith.

05:15:35.380 What we say, that man has the ultimate decision, yeah.

05:15:39.260 Hang on, hang on.

05:15:40.680 Does it say that a woman is to adhere to the word of her man like she would unto the Lord?

05:15:48.720 It does say that. 0.99

05:15:49.360 And does the Lord need to justify fucking anything to you? 0.99

05:15:53.240 He does. 0.99

05:15:54.100 What?

05:15:55.260 I think the whole Bible is a justification of his moral.

05:15:57.620 Wait, so the Lord came down and said, I need you to walk down to Fifth Avenue.

05:16:01.860 Oh, well, obviously not.

05:16:02.380 Wait, wait, wait, hang on.

05:16:03.560 Why?

05:16:04.240 Then I don't understand.

05:16:05.060 How are you submitting to your husband?

05:16:06.440 Because I've...

05:16:06.980 Hang on.

05:16:07.640 Like you are unto the Lord if the Lord doesn't have to justify himself, but your husband does.

05:16:11.580 Because I have complete and full trust in the Lord, and he's a perfect person.

05:16:16.080 So aren't you supposed to obey your husband like you're supposed to...

05:16:20.540 The Bible also says we're not perfect people.

05:16:22.380 So you're basically just...

05:16:24.140 Your cop-out is, yeah, God wants me to, but I'm not perfect.

05:16:28.500 That's your cop-out?

05:16:29.460 No, I'm saying my husband isn't perfect.

05:16:32.060 But what does God instruct you to do with your husband?

05:16:34.620 What if there was something that...

05:16:35.900 What does God instruct you to do with your husband?

05:16:37.360 I'm not going to let you avoid it.

05:16:38.900 What is he instructing you to do?

05:16:40.680 Be completely submissive.

05:16:42.160 Be completely submissive.

05:16:42.980 But what I'm saying is if you came...

05:16:45.420 I'm assuming you and your wife are both Christian.

05:16:47.380 Yeah.

05:16:47.980 What if there was something that was just such...

05:16:50.540 Like, goes completely against the Bible that you wanted to do, and she tried to explain to you that was...

05:16:56.040 Well, then in that case, it would not comport with reason or faith.

05:16:59.540 And so...

05:17:00.100 That's what I think.

05:17:00.640 All I want is reason behind it.

05:17:01.960 So for instance...

05:17:02.640 Well, no.

05:17:03.280 It's not a lack of reason.

05:17:05.900 To tell you to do a thing.

05:17:08.280 That's not unreasonable.

05:17:10.480 Even not giving you a justification is not unreasonable.

05:17:13.460 What would be unreasonable is if he was like, we're going to go out tonight, and we're going to take a baby and sacrifice it to Satan.

05:17:20.240 That would not comport with the reason and the nature of God.

05:17:23.780 So that's a huge distinction.

05:17:25.980 But what if she can't say no if she's supposed to be completely submissive to her?

05:17:30.760 No, she can say no if it doesn't comport with the nature and reason of God.

05:17:33.880 Yeah, she can say no.

05:17:35.780 But that ain't going to be where your kids go to school, is it?

05:17:38.220 That ain't going to be where your kids go to school. 0.72

05:17:39.320 What if I said God's really calling you that they need to go to this Christian school and they need to do this, and my husband said, nope, sending them to public school? 0.57

05:17:45.120 Well, if you think that God married you up to the person who he also told you to submit to, but wants you to question him every chance you get and have him justify his decisions to you, right?

05:17:57.560 And then you go to him and say, God told me X.

05:18:00.360 That's fair.

05:18:01.220 God told me he wants him to go here. 1.00

05:18:02.580 What if your husband says, oh, well, God told me you're stupid and wrong, and they're going over here. 1.00

05:18:06.900 What would your justification then be from your reasonable brain? 1.00

05:18:10.280 What would you say then?

05:18:11.900 Well, I feel like that's an unreasonable statement.

05:18:13.880 Oh, I feel like it's unreasonable to go to him and say, God told me X against your will.

05:18:17.560 And he says, that's great.

05:18:18.840 But there's logic behind that, being like, I want my kids to be raised in a Christian school and this, that, and that.

05:18:24.260 You get what I'm saying?

05:18:25.180 Yeah, but the logic also is the confrontation of adhering to your husband's word.

05:18:30.200 But I'm not saying that it's a definite no.

05:18:32.600 I'm not saying that.

05:18:33.500 I'm saying I would like to be a conversation.

05:18:34.980 No, no, no.

05:18:35.000 What do you mean it's not a definite no?

05:18:36.500 It's not your decision.

05:18:38.920 It's his decision.

05:18:41.920 What I'm saying is I would like to be a part of the conversation and him make the ultimate decision.

05:18:47.420 And you know what?

05:18:48.020 That's it.

05:18:48.440 That would be awesome if he lets you be part of the conversation.

05:18:51.500 What a great and swell guy.

05:18:53.140 Yeah.

05:18:53.360 But he doesn't need to if you're submitted to him.

05:18:57.460 That's the point.

05:18:58.220 I'm not saying he does.

05:18:59.400 Yeah.

05:18:59.920 No, I'm not.

05:19:00.620 I'm just saying I would like to.

05:19:02.340 And I think that a man that I would want to marry would keep me a part of that conversation out of kindness and respect.

05:19:06.740 Right.

05:19:06.960 So you would move over to your preference of liberated woman, right? 0.95

05:19:11.600 No.

05:19:12.240 Okay.

05:19:15.820 Well, two things, Nick.

05:19:17.580 Pull up the umbrella thing, then I got to move it on.

05:19:19.940 So I guess this is the biblical order of the family, Christ, husband, wife, children.

05:19:28.020 Do you agree with this chart?

05:19:30.520 This is like what's priority in your life?

05:19:33.480 Or what do you mean?

05:19:34.440 So my explanation for this would be that Christ and the adherence to Christ's word would be the top in the hierarchy for the family unit.

05:19:45.140 Yes, 100%.

05:19:45.500 You and I would agree on that.

05:19:46.380 I would 100% agree on that.

05:19:47.440 The next would come that the representation of Christ in a marriage is the man who is the head of the marriage.

05:19:55.100 Oh, so that was like who's in order of like power?

05:19:57.220 Yeah.

05:19:57.420 So just to explain it, though, is that the woman represents the body of the church and the man the head.

05:20:03.340 100%.

05:20:03.580 And so the man is representing the head of Christ.

05:20:06.600 Yeah.

05:20:06.900 That's his representation role in the marriage.

05:20:08.780 And then the woman is representing the body of Christ.

05:20:11.280 Yeah.

05:20:11.720 Yeah.

05:20:12.020 And so then the woman's direct responsibility is the children and the husband. 0.99

05:20:16.360 Husband's responsibility is the flagship decision maker for all of that.

05:20:20.060 Mm-hmm.

05:20:20.500 Right?

05:20:21.000 Yeah.

05:20:21.380 Okay.

05:20:22.080 No disagreement, no.

05:20:23.200 So then put that chart back up. 0.99

05:20:26.280 Do you ever need to justify or does the top of that list, the Christ head, ever need to justify shit to you? 0.99

05:20:35.560 No, because he's perfect. 0.98

05:20:36.720 Okay, it never needs to justify anything to you ever, right?

05:20:40.580 Christ?

05:20:41.340 Yeah, the top of that.

05:20:42.260 Absolutely not, no.

05:20:43.220 Okay, what comes next?

05:20:45.300 Husband.

05:20:45.760 Okay, now explain to me why the husband does have to.

05:20:52.360 Gracie, why are you dissing Riley after two years? 1.00

05:20:54.460 Bro is innocent.

05:20:55.260 He ain't do nothing.

05:20:56.420 Also, Natalie, do you need some food?

05:20:57.940 Ain't no way this 40-year-old bum with gray hair talking to these girls, Brian, a blank for real.

05:21:03.140 Wait, Natalie, why do you need to?

05:21:07.320 I don't get that.

05:21:08.340 I don't get my part, but.

05:21:10.240 Oh, wow, okay.

05:21:11.460 Hey.

05:21:12.580 That's the, I've gotten that joke a lot, Natalie Huck, too.

05:21:16.280 Mm-hmm.

05:21:16.760 Oh.

05:21:17.540 My last name's Howe, but people mispronounce it, Huck, so Huck, too.

05:21:20.880 They spent their own money on that.

05:21:22.700 I know, that's what I was thinking.

05:21:23.540 I was like, baby, we have friends who spent $200.

05:21:25.420 Hey, y'all.

05:21:27.200 Okay.

05:21:29.520 Cool.

05:21:30.860 Anyway.

05:21:31.120 What were we talking about?

05:21:31.980 Oh, I was just asking on the husband head, why does he have to justify to you again?

05:21:37.360 Because I think, I, again, not saying he has to, but I think it would be very respectful

05:21:42.800 and kind.

05:21:43.760 Yeah.

05:21:43.980 Well, I mean, I agree.

05:21:45.400 It would be nice of him to do that.

05:21:46.260 It would be nice, and I think someone that I would want to marry, I would love to see that.

05:21:48.880 But you're not advocating that they need to?

05:21:51.460 Not necessarily, no.

05:21:52.340 Yeah, okay.

05:21:53.020 Yeah, that was it.

05:21:53.860 Yeah.

05:21:54.820 Okay.

05:21:55.480 Let's do the dating app reviews.

05:21:56.980 Let's start with, let me read this.

05:21:59.540 Actually, I got to read two chats.

05:22:00.780 She already had the chance of submitting to a man.

05:22:03.600 He wanted her to dress modestly and remove provocative photos off her Instagram. 0.99

05:22:07.580 She chose to call him insecure instead, egalitarian bullshit. 0.97

05:22:10.840 I never called him insecure for not wanting to buy what I was wearing. 0.98

05:22:14.240 I was also not, I was not girlfriend and boyfriend with him.

05:22:17.060 I would submit to a man if he's, if we're girlfriend and boyfriend.

05:22:18.740 Should a guy pay on the first date?

05:22:20.180 Yeah.

05:22:20.960 So why do you have an expectation that a man fall into his traditional gender roles immediately, first date, but if he's starting to have these expectations of you on your end, you have objections to it.

05:22:32.880 Because when you submit to a man, it should be someone that you trust and you know is faith-based.

05:22:36.660 So why should you pay for a girl on a first date and you don't trust her?

05:22:39.920 Well, that actually avoids his question, though.

05:22:42.220 The question is, if the expectation is that he falls into a traditional gender role, that's the expectation from your end.

05:22:50.800 Why shouldn't his expectation be immediately on the first date you also do?

05:22:55.620 Because we have no sense of loyalty to, oh wait, you're saying like, why wouldn't I submit to him initially?

05:23:02.360 No, if your expectation, I'm not asking for commitment submission, but if the expectation of gender role is, from their perspective, Christian like your own, then they would expect that you not dress provocatively, et cetera, et cetera, right?

05:23:15.400 So after talking to a guy for like a week, I'm just supposed to delete every single thing?

05:23:19.420 Only if your expectation is that he falls into a traditional gender role.

05:23:23.740 So you're saying that a traditional gender role for a woman would be that they don't have these things posted or that's what I'm kind of confused about? 0.96

05:23:30.520 I mean, probably not, but even if we were to grant that they did, just the dressing provocatively and this kind of thing, if they said, okay, well, my preference is for you not to do that even on the first date, if your expectation is that they pay, that seems fair.

05:23:45.680 That seems like the expectation of gender role is, at that point, complete, right? 0.94

05:23:52.160 That he expects me to dress more modestly.

05:23:54.700 Sure. 0.99

05:23:56.840 If your expectation is that he fucking pays for everything. 0.97

05:23:59.000 I'm not saying he pays for everything. 0.97

05:24:01.000 Well, what do you pay for on a date?

05:24:03.020 I wouldn't be offended if he asked to split or anything.

05:24:07.540 Oh, man.

05:24:08.320 He just went real modern.

05:24:10.720 He just went real modern suddenly.

05:24:12.100 Okay, no, no, no.

05:24:12.840 Here's the thing.

05:24:13.980 I wouldn't be like, if he was having trouble with money or whatever it is, maybe let's not go out.

05:24:19.920 Maybe let's go somewhere else.

05:24:21.180 I'm open to things.

05:24:22.600 But I just don't see how that correlates.

05:24:26.400 Because of the expectation of the gender role. 1.00

05:24:30.540 I would like to hear your question.

05:24:31.420 Oh, I probably wouldn't be able to explain it better than he did.

05:24:33.360 I mean, it's just like, if you're expecting him to pay on the first date and do all the

05:24:36.440 things that a man is supposed to do, he's supposed to just automatically just do it. 0.81

05:24:39.420 Why can't you just automatically do what you're supposed to do as a woman? 1.00

05:24:41.880 That's what he's saying.

05:24:42.700 That's the point.

05:24:42.900 So you're saying, as a woman, I'm supposed to dress more, automatically submit or dress

05:24:48.160 more modestly.

05:24:49.000 That's why I'm kind of lost.

05:24:49.520 It wouldn't be an automatic submission because in the idea of marriage, because marriage is

05:24:56.340 a sacrament.

05:24:57.780 It's not just a, you know, from the Christian worldview, it's sacramental.

05:25:01.640 Yes.

05:25:01.780 So no, you're not going to do a sacramental marriage with a guy in the first date.

05:25:05.920 But if the expectation is that you follow a more traditional female gender role, then 0.98

05:25:10.780 shouldn't you be, I don't know, a bit more meek, let him not only lead on the date, but

05:25:15.420 kind of, you know, in this way, also not dress as provocatively.

05:25:19.640 Like those would be all the kind of typical traditional gender. 1.00

05:25:22.960 That's what I'm kind of confused about.

05:25:23.700 On the date, I wasn't dressed provocatively and I wasn't actively posting that stuff.

05:25:27.340 But I mean, you, that's your view.

05:25:30.680 If his determination, in his mind, if he deems it to be provocative, I mean, do you think

05:25:37.140 your bikini photos are provocative?

05:25:38.660 I wasn't posting that.

05:25:39.560 Okay, no, no, just answer that question though.

05:25:42.180 You probably don't think they're provocative, right?

05:25:44.620 Not really, no.

05:25:45.840 Right.

05:25:46.180 So your sense of what, just by, I know you posted those after your date, but your own

05:25:51.700 sense of what is provocative and what is not provocative does not compute with what

05:25:56.320 he finds, right?

05:25:57.940 So he would probably say that is provocative to post bikini thirst trap photos.

05:26:02.340 I mean, that's fair.

05:26:02.880 And he's looking for different things than I was.

05:26:04.200 And that's why I didn't.

05:26:04.740 Right.

05:26:05.040 But if you're going to be submissive, your idea of what is provocative or not provocative

05:26:09.740 is irrelevant.

05:26:11.740 I agree, but I will only be submissive when I'm in a committed relationship with someone

05:26:15.600 and I wasn't with him.

05:26:16.340 Here's a question.

05:26:17.560 Let's say you are in a committed relationship and the man says, I find these photos to be

05:26:22.820 provocative and you just ideally, you, in your head, you're like, no way, that's not

05:26:27.580 provocative.

05:26:28.240 I a hundred percent disagree.

05:26:29.760 I don't view it as provocative at all.

05:26:32.040 Yeah.

05:26:32.380 Will you be submissive to him even though you disagree with his assessment of the provocativeness?

05:26:39.000 I think at a point where I'm in a, like, committed relationship like that probably won't be when

05:26:44.460 I'm this age and like, oh, it's just, I don't think I would be posting that in the first place.

05:26:47.900 You didn't answer the question, so let's try again.

05:26:50.860 So you have photos posted to your Instagram.

05:26:54.220 You said take them down?

05:26:55.500 You don't think they're provocative.

05:26:57.020 He does.

05:26:58.280 If it's something that really upsets him, yeah, I would take them down.

05:27:00.220 No, it doesn't even upset him that much.

05:27:01.620 He just doesn't want you to have them up.

05:27:03.480 Sure.

05:27:03.760 If he's uncomfortable with it, I would take it down.

05:27:05.680 Would you fight him on it because you have a difference of view when it comes to if it's

05:27:10.360 provocative or not?

05:27:10.880 If I really respect him and want to be submissive to this guy and I really trust him and I think

05:27:13.600 that he's a faith-based man of God, then if he said that he's uncomfortable with it or

05:27:18.420 whatever, I would take it down.

05:27:21.640 Okay.

05:27:23.360 Did you want me to have a different answer?

05:27:25.420 No, no.

05:27:27.460 I'm still confused, though, about, like, you had objections to him having these comments.

05:27:32.400 I mean, you kind of already just went over it, but you'd want a guy to pay for the first

05:27:36.520 date, do all these things, et cetera, et cetera.

05:27:38.620 You expect that immediately, but you took issue with him kind of trying to put in a

05:27:45.260 boundary there when it came to your address.

05:27:47.620 But it wasn't, I think, where we're having, like, differing here is that it wasn't said

05:27:52.380 in a, like, this is something that makes me uncomfortable or whatever. 0.99

05:27:57.440 Like, it was more of a, like, basically, you're a slut. 1.00

05:28:00.920 Fair enough. 1.00

05:28:01.680 You know what I mean?

05:28:02.560 It wasn't, like, a conversation. 1.00

05:28:03.960 It was just, you're a slut. 1.00

05:28:05.560 Okay, then why are you on a date with me? 1.00

05:28:06.500 I would like to note, though, before Brian moves it on, just this one last thing.

05:28:10.460 Yeah.

05:28:11.580 When we're talking about submission from a religious Christian sense, would you agree 1.00

05:28:16.400 with me that the reason that this is in place specifically is so that if decisions are made

05:28:22.360 that you don't like, even with or without, you know, your consent, essentially, that the

05:28:28.860 purpose of this is to say it doesn't matter because ultimately you're putting your trust

05:28:35.160 Ulysses, the pagan, donated $200. 1.00

05:28:40.420 Blondie, just admit that you're a closet feminist and brain-hum was him saying bullshit. 1.00

05:28:46.500 I am not a feminist. 1.00

05:28:48.640 Thank you, pagan. 0.77

05:28:49.500 Let that be known.

05:28:50.320 Go ahead, then.

05:28:50.620 I was just saying that the purpose of this for why you almost, it's blind submission in

05:28:56.960 a way to your husband, that specifically it's so that when these big decisions do come up

05:29:03.160 that you may fight him tooth and nail on because you can be such an influence on his decision

05:29:08.340 making, that the reason that you really shouldn't question the decision making much is because

05:29:14.440 it actually hampers his ability to lead properly.

05:29:17.440 I agree with that.

05:29:18.200 Yeah.

05:29:18.320 And I was talking about this with literally my parents the other day.

05:29:20.920 My mom would have said that they're both two butting heads and that didn't work that 0.81

05:29:25.480 way.

05:29:25.720 But if you agree.

05:29:26.600 That's why I would say if it's ultimately a decision.

05:29:27.940 Hang on, but if you agree with that, then even by the standard of how you view reason,

05:29:34.480 it does actually comport with reason for him to make decisions and not discuss them

05:29:39.340 with you.

05:29:40.240 Sure.

05:29:40.720 I've never looked at it that way, but yeah.

05:29:42.460 Right?

05:29:42.740 Sure.

05:29:43.020 Yeah.

05:29:43.280 Yeah.

05:29:43.660 Okay.

05:29:44.480 Yeah.

05:29:44.800 All right.

05:29:45.180 Really quick.

05:29:45.800 We have some supers to read, but first, Nick, can you pull up, actually, just go to

05:29:50.960 Twitch.

05:29:51.720 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow and a prime sub if you have one, twitch.tv slash

05:29:57.920 whatever.

05:29:58.700 By the way, it looks like the Crucible rated us.

05:30:02.340 Oh, in the YouTube chat?

05:30:03.820 Yes.

05:30:04.520 Oh, awesome.

05:30:05.140 I don't know if that was Rachel or somebody else.

05:30:06.940 Yeah, that was Rachel. 0.93

05:30:08.860 Oh, awesome.

05:30:09.320 Thank you, Rachel.

05:30:09.800 Appreciate it.

05:30:10.340 Good to see you guys in the chat, Crucible crew.

05:30:12.820 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever if you can get that pulled up.

05:30:15.960 Guys, if you're watching on Twitch, drop us a follow.

05:30:17.560 If you're watching on YouTube, drop us a follow.

05:30:19.080 Open up another tab.

05:30:20.320 Also, drop us a prime sub if you have one.

05:30:23.220 Drop us a prime sub if you have one.

05:30:25.320 It's been an hour since we last had one.

05:30:27.340 I think it's bugged.

05:30:28.100 Help.

05:30:28.580 Help.

05:30:29.620 Yeah.

05:30:30.680 And then, cool.

05:30:35.480 And then, I need to, oh, no, no, no, no.

05:30:38.740 Hold on.

05:30:39.200 No time.

05:30:41.240 Okay.

05:30:42.120 Maddie, can you read this?

05:30:43.560 Sure.

05:30:43.900 Thank you, Andrew, for fighting against their brainwashing.

05:30:47.800 These women don't even realize the extent of it, starting from Sesame Street on humans 1.00

05:30:52.840 making babies are bad. 0.95

05:30:54.520 Humans that don't are smart.

05:30:56.180 Actually, Lowell Paladin, he makes a good point against the kind of antinatalist mindset, which

05:31:03.740 has gripped society.

05:31:04.940 You know, Lowell Paladin, you're a really good contributor to the show, too.

05:31:08.840 I appreciate that, man.

05:31:09.720 It's very kind of you.

05:31:11.120 Yeah, thank you, man.

05:31:11.900 And then he has another one.

05:31:14.540 Question for Brian.

05:31:15.560 How many male comments does she get on her Instagram versus how many women comment on

05:31:21.240 her sexy photos?

05:31:22.660 Who is really validating her?

05:31:24.560 Can I answer this?

05:31:26.520 Yeah.

05:31:27.540 Zero men actually comment on that.

05:31:29.140 If you want to go look at the posts, it's usually just all my girlfriends.

05:31:32.520 So, yeah, there's usually no male comments, but you can check it if you want.

05:31:40.740 Okay.

05:31:42.020 All right.

05:31:43.260 We have Lowell Paladins again.

05:31:46.540 Hey, thank you, man.

05:31:46.940 I appreciate it.

05:31:47.660 She already had a chance of submitting to a man.

05:31:49.960 He wanted her to dress modestly and remove provocative photos off her Instagram.

05:31:54.500 She chose to call him Insecure instead, the egalitarian bull.

05:31:58.240 We already read that.

05:31:59.000 The Insecure.

05:31:59.460 We already read that one.

05:32:00.160 And also, the Insecure was separate from the dressing modestly.

05:32:03.540 You already explained it.

05:32:04.480 Yeah.

05:32:04.820 I don't even want to.

05:32:05.240 Okay.

05:32:06.200 Let me get into more of the notes here.

05:32:08.020 We had the dating apps, but one was from Yellow?

05:32:11.960 Or who were the dating apps from?

05:32:14.780 Okay.

05:32:15.240 Just pull them up.

05:32:15.960 We'll do those quick.

05:32:17.100 Yeah.

05:32:17.380 Huh?

05:32:17.480 We can do the bow, but let's do the dating app first.

05:32:22.500 Okay.

05:32:25.020 All right.

05:32:27.720 All right.

05:32:28.440 You check these, right?

05:32:29.960 They're fine?

05:32:32.980 Yeah.

05:32:33.380 They're good.

05:32:37.840 Okay.

05:32:38.340 Best travel story.

05:32:39.040 Dance off with a crackhead at the Pirate Bar in Tampa.

05:32:41.560 Okay.

05:32:42.200 Next.

05:32:43.200 Oh.

05:32:43.480 Okay.

05:32:43.960 Okay.

05:32:47.480 26, micro-celebrity.

05:32:50.200 You're a micro-celebrity?

05:32:52.700 Yeah.

05:32:53.240 Known by many, but not by most.

05:32:55.700 Okay.

05:32:56.200 Cool.

05:32:56.940 Next.

05:32:59.180 Jack off.

05:33:00.220 All trades.

05:33:01.280 Jack off.

05:33:03.100 It's a joke.

05:33:03.900 Yeah.

05:33:04.720 Green flags I look for. 0.86

05:33:07.460 Okay.

05:33:07.940 My simple pleasure, having a full pack of dude wipes.

05:33:12.900 Okay.

05:33:13.480 Nice.

05:33:14.140 Next.

05:33:14.980 Or is that it? 0.99

05:33:15.660 What the fuck is a dude wipe? 0.99

05:33:17.720 It's like a wet wipe, but for dudes. 0.99

05:33:19.800 That's whatever.

05:33:20.300 I don't know.

05:33:20.600 Wait.

05:33:21.220 Say pencil, but replace the sill with his.

05:33:23.620 Relax, liberals.

05:33:24.440 It's hard.

05:33:25.160 Dark humor.

05:33:25.760 Okay.

05:33:28.000 All right.

05:33:29.800 Wait.

05:33:30.560 Libra, are you voting Trump?

05:33:32.180 No, I'm not.

05:33:33.360 Man.

05:33:34.140 I thought there was hope.

05:33:36.040 Thank you, Ollie.

05:33:36.660 I have all the people that asked this table to answer that.

05:33:39.900 Was there a question?

05:33:42.100 Okay.

05:33:42.760 What was the next dating app?

05:33:44.100 Next dating app?

05:33:45.420 I don't.

05:33:46.240 I'm not even registered to vote yet.

05:33:48.160 Okay.

05:33:48.680 It wasn't.

05:33:49.360 Okay.

05:33:49.740 I need to.

05:33:50.900 Let's have you read the prompts.

05:33:53.680 Okay.

05:33:54.040 So, there's a picture of me, and then it says, a life goal of mine, travel to all the national

05:33:58.500 parks in a camper van and write my novels whilst doing so.

05:34:01.780 Little smiley face.

05:34:03.320 Okay.

05:34:04.800 All right.

05:34:05.440 All that.

05:34:06.300 Not political.

05:34:08.200 Figuring out my dating goals.

05:34:09.440 Monogamy.

05:34:10.200 Bye.

05:34:10.720 Okay.

05:34:11.220 Voting Trump.

05:34:13.460 I don't know who I'm voting for.

05:34:15.020 Probably not Trump.

05:34:15.720 I don't know.

05:34:16.080 I don't know.

05:34:16.440 I don't really know a lot about politics.

05:34:18.680 Pictures of me.

05:34:20.760 I'll pick the top of you, sorry.

05:34:22.100 Next.

05:34:22.180 I don't know.

05:34:24.040 Is that it?

05:34:24.700 Yeah.

05:34:29.460 You can read these.

05:34:31.020 Okay.

05:34:31.400 It goes, on the next picture, it has the full thing.

05:34:35.540 The hallmark of a good relationship is growth mindset, being aware of ego, know how to apologize

05:34:40.140 and take accountability, humor, laughter, gratitude, spontaneity, some similar hobbies,

05:34:44.100 some different hobbies.

05:34:44.920 Don't try to change the other person.

05:34:46.840 I don't know, man.

05:34:47.900 That sounds like a lot of work. 0.99

05:34:50.140 Damn. 1.00

05:34:52.460 Okay. 1.00

05:34:52.840 Cool.

05:34:55.220 You really think you shouldn't try to change another person?

05:34:58.680 Change in terms of growth.

05:35:00.440 Sure, you guys are going to impact each other and you're going to grow being together.

05:35:02.640 That's what's going to happen.

05:35:03.920 But not change.

05:35:05.920 What I mean by that is if I have been with someone and then my mental health and my personhood

05:35:12.420 is actually getting worse because that's not the right relationship with me.

05:35:14.380 Instead of trying to change someone to be different than who they are, you know what I'm saying?

05:35:19.320 Yeah, but I think the idea of self and who you are, you probably agree with this, is pretty

05:35:25.160 wide, right?

05:35:26.260 Right.

05:35:26.520 There's a lot of variables that make you you.

05:35:28.380 So, I would say like a person who has no ambition who wakes up with ambition is a different

05:35:34.380 person.

05:35:35.280 Right.

05:35:35.860 Wouldn't you?

05:35:36.960 Yes.

05:35:37.500 Yeah.

05:35:37.800 So, that would be positive change in a relationship.

05:35:40.060 Yeah, but it's change.

05:35:41.260 Yeah.

05:35:41.560 But couldn't you run into this problem when you say positive change, right?

05:35:45.900 Of trying to give them positive change when it's not actually positive.

05:35:49.920 Oh, that can definitely happen.

05:35:51.320 Yeah.

05:35:51.520 So, when you say don't try to change each other, you don't really mean don't try to change

05:35:55.280 each other, right?

05:35:55.880 Yeah, you're right.

05:35:56.120 I should change that because that's not what I mean.

05:35:57.740 Yeah.

05:35:58.100 Okay.

05:35:58.760 Makes sense.

05:35:59.380 Good point.

05:36:06.080 Okay.

05:36:07.980 Let's see.

05:36:08.600 Going back to some of the notes here.

05:36:10.800 Actually, no.

05:36:11.420 Why don't we do the bow video really quick?

05:36:13.020 Was that it for the dating app stuff?

05:36:14.900 Yeah.

05:36:15.380 Okay.

05:36:17.380 All right.

05:36:19.980 Yeah.

05:36:20.840 Go ahead.

05:36:22.040 I think this is a good example.

05:36:23.640 Hold on.

05:36:24.360 Stop.

05:36:24.880 Start from the beginning.

05:36:25.700 They weren't paying attention.

05:36:26.860 Go ahead.

05:36:28.620 Go ahead.

05:36:30.460 Oh.

05:36:31.140 Boom.

05:36:31.640 Huge bow.

05:36:33.340 This is a, I think this is, this would be like pretty submissive, I think.

05:36:38.960 Like pretty submissive, you know?

05:36:42.280 All right.

05:36:44.980 You know, just dinner's ready.

05:36:47.240 Come home from a long day at the podcast.

05:36:49.220 Opening the beer for me.

05:36:53.260 Stirring the noodles.

05:36:55.060 It's like, great.

05:36:57.240 Boom.

05:36:58.340 Good technique.

05:36:59.540 Okay.

05:36:59.740 Boom.

05:37:00.200 And then one more time.

05:37:01.080 Let's see the bow one more time.

05:37:03.500 Boom.

05:37:04.240 Huge bow.

05:37:05.480 So, just curious for you, I guess.

05:37:09.220 Anybody else here think, like, they would be submissive, they want to be submissive to boyfriend?

05:37:14.980 Am I supposed to raise my hand again?

05:37:16.380 Yeah.

05:37:18.300 Would you, if your husband wanted you to bow, would you do it?

05:37:21.900 I mean, I mean, if he's, if that's really what he likes, sure, yeah.

05:37:28.420 I don't see the point in the bowing, but.

05:37:30.800 He just was like, he saw that video from my podcast.

05:37:33.700 He's like, oh, that'd be cool if, like, my girlfriend or wife did that.

05:37:36.720 Would you do it?

05:37:37.380 I'd laugh and do it, but yeah.

05:37:39.020 You'd laugh and do it?

05:37:39.740 Because I think it's kind of funny, yeah.

05:37:41.580 Oh, okay.

05:37:42.020 But you'd do it.

05:37:43.100 I mean, sure.

05:37:43.840 So, going around the table.

05:37:44.560 I see no harm in it.

05:37:45.340 Would you do it?

05:37:45.760 Yeah.

05:37:46.400 Yeah, they were going to karate fight.

05:37:47.680 Yeah, exactly.

05:37:49.600 Gracie?

05:37:50.180 I don't think I would.

05:37:52.220 Maybe laugh about it.

05:37:53.400 I would want to understand why he would want to be bowed to first.

05:37:56.680 He just wants it.

05:37:58.320 He wants to bow.

05:37:59.160 He doesn't want to have to explain.

05:37:59.780 I mean, I don't think I'm in it.

05:38:00.180 He doesn't have to explain.

05:38:01.200 I would laugh.

05:38:01.660 Just do it.

05:38:02.040 Yeah, I'd laugh and do it.

05:38:03.400 It's like, namaste.

05:38:04.480 But you wouldn't do it?

05:38:05.420 I would laugh and do it after thinking about it.

05:38:07.260 Okay.

05:38:07.600 But what if he was like, I want you to do this every time, if you're just at home, like,

05:38:12.840 and he comes home from work, every time he comes home from work.

05:38:15.680 I wouldn't do that.

05:38:16.880 You wouldn't do that?

05:38:17.900 No, I wouldn't.

05:38:18.600 But you want to get married, right?

05:38:21.380 Yes.

05:38:21.900 Here, before I get into that, I'll have everybody answer.

05:38:24.640 Would you do that?

05:38:26.220 Would you hit a bow?

05:38:26.860 I think so.

05:38:27.940 You think so?

05:38:28.560 Yeah.

05:38:29.220 Based?

05:38:30.060 Based Austrian?

05:38:33.560 It'd have to be the right person.

05:38:36.940 Otherwise, no.

05:38:38.360 Okay.

05:38:38.960 Would you do it?

05:38:39.780 No.

05:38:40.240 Okay.

05:38:40.780 All right.

05:38:41.180 She would ask him to bow.

05:38:42.460 All right.

05:38:42.640 Wait.

05:38:43.940 So going back to you, Gracie, you want to get married? 1.00

05:38:46.860 Yes, I do.

05:38:47.440 Would you want a man to get down on one knee to do it, to propose?

05:38:51.800 How much would you want him to spend on the ring?

05:38:55.160 I don't really care about that.

05:38:56.440 You'd be fine with, like, a cubic zirconia, like a $20?

05:38:59.460 Yeah.

05:38:59.680 I honestly think that some, like, crystals are kind of really cute.

05:39:03.400 By the way, would you be fine with a CZ?

05:39:05.580 Yeah.

05:39:06.040 Genuinely, I wouldn't really care.

05:39:06.240 So your whole friend group, all their husbands, spent thousands of dollars on a ring, and you

05:39:10.420 get a $20 CZ?

05:39:11.880 Well, honestly, I would probably be marrying somebody who is hardworking enough to be able

05:39:17.640 to afford a nicer ring.

05:39:19.340 Sure.

05:39:19.620 He could afford.

05:39:19.960 Well, okay.

05:39:20.280 For example, I could afford a $7,000 stake.

05:39:23.840 I'm not spending $7,000 on a stake.

05:39:27.160 I couldn't afford a $7,000 stake.

05:39:29.220 Yeah, you could, Andrew.

05:39:30.040 You're doing that.

05:39:31.240 Okay.

05:39:32.380 Not that good.

05:39:33.100 Yeah, but my husband would want to spend something on me, I'd assume.

05:39:37.280 Right.

05:39:37.620 But so you would be dissatisfied if he did not spend a sufficient amount of money on the

05:39:41.720 ring, correct?

05:39:44.320 Maybe I would be.

05:39:45.820 So you would?

05:39:46.380 Yeah, I would be.

05:39:47.420 So then, wait.

05:39:48.340 To be clear, you want a man to get down, looking up at you, get down on one knee, kneel in front

05:39:56.020 of you, which I think is far more submissive, submissive than you're still standing.

05:40:05.680 You just hit a bow.

05:40:06.720 Well, yeah, it's traditional to get down on one knee.

05:40:09.180 It's not traditional to bow in how I was raised.

05:40:13.280 It's not traditional to bow to a man that walks into a room.

05:40:16.300 Okay, so tradition aside, what's the matter?

05:40:23.140 What do you mean?

05:40:24.680 Well, you can desire things that are not, I mean, if we really can go into tradition, like

05:40:29.600 do you, are you, I mean, is the woman a virgin on her wedding night?

05:40:33.940 Is the husband a virgin on his wedding night?

05:40:36.040 I mean, we can have a conversation about what's traditional, what's not traditional.

05:40:40.240 In any case, when a lot of women's expectations when it comes to the proposal is that he get

05:40:45.960 down on one knee with a ring of a certain expense, look up, oh, will you marry me?

05:40:54.040 So you want, you're okay with the guy doing that?

05:40:56.220 I think it's cute.

05:40:56.500 I like it.

05:40:56.800 Is that how it goes?

05:40:57.520 Is that how you did it?

05:40:57.660 I don't think it's wrong to like that.

05:40:59.160 Will you marry me?

05:41:00.000 Andrew probably stood there through the ring at her.

05:41:02.800 You're my wife now, Rachel.

05:41:04.760 We're married.

05:41:05.220 We're married through it, right?

05:41:06.460 Yep.

05:41:07.460 No, I didn't do that, but I really wanted to lean into it.

05:41:12.220 I really wanted to lean into it.

05:41:13.200 You know, it's really funny, though, bringing up my wife because she's watched that clip

05:41:16.920 now, I don't know, like a dozen times, and she says that Brian's way off base, that that's 1.00

05:41:23.240 not submission, that that's just basic, she calls it basic bitch shit. 1.00

05:41:28.560 She says, who gives a shit if this, this is her words, I'm just paraphrasing her, right? 1.00

05:41:33.580 Who cares if this stupid broad bows and cooks his noodles? 1.00

05:41:37.020 That's basic. 1.00

05:41:38.160 That's basic.

05:41:39.460 Wait until he makes a decision that she doesn't like.

05:41:43.040 Then we'll see if that chick is submissive or not. 1.00

05:41:45.580 I think that that's a really valid point because it's like, what she's saying there is, you're 0.99

05:41:50.200 not really asking for shit. 0.98

05:41:51.780 You're not asking for nothing. 0.99

05:41:53.440 You're just like, oh, okay.

05:41:54.580 With my cup of noodles, give me a bow.

05:41:57.880 In the comparison to the expectation on the other side, I think you better bow.

05:42:03.520 I mean, honestly, I think you better bow.

05:42:06.760 And I think that that's what she's getting at with that.

05:42:09.360 That's all.

05:42:09.820 So that's a really good point.

05:42:12.780 It is a good point.

05:42:13.860 Like asking for a bow that takes like no effort.

05:42:17.680 You burn like a quarter of a calorie doing it, probably less.

05:42:23.220 It'll please your husband or boyfriend or whatever if he wants it, I guess.

05:42:28.500 I don't really see what the issue is there.

05:42:30.740 I don't see any issue.

05:42:31.880 I don't see the harm in it.

05:42:33.120 It's just like, okay, like you want me to bow?

05:42:34.760 Sure.

05:42:35.840 I agree.

05:42:36.600 I like what your wife said. 1.00

05:42:37.860 There's some basic shit. 0.99

05:42:40.220 But you want a guy to get down on one knee? 0.99

05:42:42.840 Well, and that's what she's saying. 0.99

05:42:43.880 She's like, and if they won't do that basic shit, that chick ain't going to do nothing. 1.00

05:42:48.480 She ain't going to do nothing. 0.99

05:42:49.940 If a girl won't bow for you, she won't do any. 1.00

05:42:52.320 What's crazy.

05:42:52.900 Wait, actually, what's crazy.

05:42:53.600 Remember that TradCath girl? 0.99

05:42:55.300 She went home and she was like, okay, I'm going to do it just to do it.

05:42:59.820 Yes.

05:43:00.300 And she made his meal and she put it down and she bowed.

05:43:03.500 And he loved that. 0.99

05:43:04.060 And he was like, what the fuck was that? 0.99

05:43:06.380 And she told him and he was like, well, do that more. 0.99

05:43:09.420 That's awesome.

05:43:11.020 We've, okay, I'll tell you this.

05:43:12.520 I'll tell you this.

05:43:13.100 We've shown this video for 50 episodes now at this point.

05:43:16.160 So the amount of women who have DM'd me and said, I tried that with my boyfriend, tried 1.00

05:43:22.380 that with my husband, 99% of them say the husband, the boyfriend loved that shit. 0.99

05:43:30.660 One of them will, a couple of them will be like, oh, he thought it was kind of like, what 1.00

05:43:33.500 the fuck are you doing? 0.99

05:43:34.180 Are you okay? 1.00

05:43:34.660 But then like, they still liked it anyways.

05:43:38.320 So, but here's the crazy thing, Andrew.

05:43:41.220 The same women who will be like, who will say, I wouldn't bow for a man. 1.00

05:43:51.380 We'll let a guy jizz on your face the first time meeting. 0.91

05:43:53.720 Just saying. 0.97

05:43:54.300 It's true, bro.

05:43:57.740 The same girl who's like, I wouldn't bow for a guy. 1.00

05:44:00.680 What are you raising your eyes for? 1.00

05:44:02.100 You make men punch themselves in the balls for you. 1.00

05:44:04.900 I mean, I wouldn't let a man jizz on my face the first time I met him. 0.99

05:44:09.040 That's just, I mean, I honestly like. 0.99

05:44:11.300 You got to punch him in the nuts a few times. 0.99

05:44:12.800 Don't touch the face. 1.00

05:44:13.760 You don't think there's women out there that like have one night stands and get blasted 1.00

05:44:17.840 on the face?

05:44:17.960 I'm sure there are, but I'm not one of them, you know? 0.99

05:44:19.780 Don't touch the face, but she can punch them in the nuts. 1.00

05:44:21.760 Sorry. 0.99

05:44:22.120 Bro, I'm telling you, dude. 0.99

05:44:23.520 I don't, I haven't punched them in the nuts and we kick them. 0.96

05:44:25.520 They won't, they won't bow for you, but they will literally let you inside of them on 0.95

05:44:32.540 the first date, bro.

05:44:33.900 That's crazy.

05:44:35.420 That's crazy.

05:44:36.040 I got to get up for a bit.

05:44:36.840 Can you?

05:44:37.180 Oh, actually, before I get up, I get up.

05:44:39.760 Going to Keshu, Keshuang? 0.97

05:44:41.800 Keshuang, yeah. 0.99

05:44:42.360 Keshuang. 0.87

05:44:43.220 Her notes, you're going to like this one, Andrew.

05:44:45.340 I know you can't stay for too long, but you'll have enough time to get into her with this.

05:44:49.940 She says, men 30 plus dating 18 year olds.

05:44:53.220 I don't agree to that.

05:44:54.520 Going around the table, what are your thoughts on age gaps?

05:44:58.540 I can't wait to hear it.

05:44:59.920 So your position really quick.

05:45:01.480 We'll get the rest of the panels.

05:45:02.480 Oh, you want me to do it quick?

05:45:03.620 Well, I just, I guess we're going to get everybody's input on this, but you can start

05:45:07.440 since it was your point.

05:45:08.280 Okay.

05:45:08.520 So the reason why I said that was because I would say that a girl, because she's still 0.99

05:45:12.360 a teenager, just fresh out of high school.

05:45:15.060 I don't think that an 18 year old that is fresh out of high school is going to say, you

05:45:18.520 know, I'm ready to go get married and settle down.

05:45:20.020 That's just not where she's at mentally.

05:45:21.860 Okay.

05:45:22.260 So, well, what if she's 19?

05:45:24.720 21 is the youngest.

05:45:25.900 20, 21.

05:45:26.620 Well, before we get into it, we'll let everybody share their opinions.

05:45:30.360 Go ahead.

05:45:30.920 I think it depends on where both people are at in life and if it like coincides with where

05:45:36.220 each other are at.

05:45:37.460 Here, maybe I can just throw out a number.

05:45:40.080 25 year old or 35 year old.

05:45:43.980 Should I do?

05:45:44.700 We'll just say 19 year old.

05:45:46.260 I don't think that's, I don't like that.

05:45:49.060 Don't like it.

05:45:49.700 No.

05:45:49.920 Okay.

05:45:50.500 Why?

05:45:50.820 Just give you the ick.

05:45:52.500 Look in the camera.

05:45:53.260 That's just not something I would personally do or encourage my friends to do.

05:45:57.540 What about Ryan Reynolds?

05:45:58.560 Would you date Ryan Reynolds?

05:46:00.120 Oh.

05:46:01.960 He's 47 or something, right?

05:46:04.340 I wouldn't date Ryan Reynolds, no.

05:46:05.860 You would smash Ryan Reynolds?

05:46:07.400 He's married.

05:46:08.300 Yeah.

05:46:08.640 Well, okay.

05:46:09.240 A lot of issues to bring up here.

05:46:10.740 If he was single.

05:46:11.340 If he was single.

05:46:12.720 If he was single.

05:46:14.780 Or what about, who's the guy who plays Thor?

05:46:16.840 I don't know.

05:46:16.980 I just don't like that hypothetical.

05:46:17.080 What about the guy who plays Thor?

05:46:18.740 Oh, he's sexy.

05:46:19.540 Chris Hemsworth.

05:46:20.500 What about?

05:46:20.900 I think the oldest I would go is, like, Kelly Oubre. 1.00

05:46:26.100 Who the fuck is this? 1.00

05:46:27.040 Kelly Oubre. 1.00

05:46:28.220 Isn't it like, who the fuck is that guy? 1.00

05:46:29.300 Justin Jefferson. 0.99

05:46:30.760 Like, they're, like, mid-20s, though.

05:46:32.640 Mid-20s is the oldest.

05:46:34.180 He's, like, 25, 28.

05:46:35.080 Right?

05:46:35.520 Justin Jefferson's, like, 25, I think.

05:46:37.040 Right?

05:46:37.300 All right.

05:46:37.580 Well, that's fine.

05:46:38.140 Okay.

05:46:38.420 So, Tiki, not cool with 35-19. 0.76

05:46:41.540 Okay.

05:46:41.780 What about you?

05:46:42.500 I think it depends where you are in life.

05:46:43.960 But, like, as a blanket statement, probably not.

05:46:46.400 Probably not?

05:46:47.040 Yeah.

05:46:47.220 Probably not.

05:46:47.680 Okay.

05:46:47.720 Probably not cool with it.

05:46:49.100 Okay.

05:46:49.320 What about you?

05:46:49.840 19 and 35, or what?

05:46:52.760 Hmm?

05:46:53.440 19 and 35, you say?

05:46:55.180 Yeah.

05:46:56.000 No.

05:46:56.680 No?

05:46:57.040 What about you?

05:46:57.800 Yeah, I say no.

05:46:58.820 It's too big of an age gap.

05:47:00.020 No.

05:47:00.780 Hmm.

05:47:01.240 Interesting.

05:47:01.820 Okay.

05:47:02.180 And then, really quick, just what's the, going back around the table, what's, like,

05:47:05.980 the oldest that you would date?

05:47:07.500 So, just say your age again, and then say the oldest that you would date.

05:47:11.080 Kay, starting with you?

05:47:12.500 I'm 30.

05:47:13.200 The oldest out of the day is probably, like, 45.

05:47:15.540 Okay.

05:47:15.700 I'm 18, probably 20, 21.

05:47:19.280 I'm 18 out of to, like, 21, 22.

05:47:21.960 I'm 18 and 20.

05:47:24.460 I'm 27, and I'd probably date up to, like, 35.

05:47:28.520 I'm 26.

05:47:29.480 I'd probably go up to, like, maybe 36, 37.

05:47:32.800 Okay.

05:47:33.180 So, I'm 35, right?

05:47:34.440 So, you would all object to me dating a 19-year-old?

05:47:37.840 Yes.

05:47:38.640 Why?

05:47:40.700 I mean, 19, yes, legally, an adult.

05:47:43.920 Why would I want to?

05:47:45.480 Because I want to.

05:47:46.080 Wait, no, you said that.

05:47:46.940 Oh, go ahead.

05:47:47.420 I feel like your lifestyles would be so different.

05:47:49.280 How would it be different?

05:47:50.940 A 19-year-old?

05:47:51.900 Like, I'm thinking of my life right now, like, going into college.

05:47:55.200 Mm-hmm.

05:47:55.480 So, I would not, first of all, want to be dating anybody, but second of all, like, be

05:48:01.700 in the position to be in a relationship with somebody who is already, like, secure in their

05:48:07.120 lifestyle, knows what they want, is working on their career, like, that type of thing.

05:48:11.400 I would need time and space for myself to do that.

05:48:13.680 I mean, when I brought up some of those men who are really attractive, high status, even

05:48:18.200 though they're far older than I am, you seem to consider it.

05:48:21.980 I was curious.

05:48:22.300 The only person I said I would consider is somebody who's 25.

05:48:25.480 I mean, you were pausing there for Ryan Reynolds and-

05:48:31.100 I paused.

05:48:31.720 I thought about it, but no, my-

05:48:34.140 So, you're saying Chris Hemsworth steps to you, super rich, handsome, status, A-list

05:48:40.180 celebrity, you're turning it down?

05:48:42.200 I think I would genuinely question, like, why me?

05:48:45.700 Because you're attractive.

05:48:46.200 I just think it would be weird.

05:48:47.460 Because you're attractive.

05:48:48.260 I think it would be weird.

05:48:49.280 Why would it be weird?

05:48:49.900 Because there are so many other women in his same stage of life and in his circle, I'd

05:48:58.480 imagine, that are single and would be interested.

05:49:02.900 Okay.

05:49:03.460 Like, why would you have to step down to somebody my age, you know?

05:49:05.900 So, the only reason that I'm against it is, like, I don't mind a big age gap.

05:49:12.760 I don't care.

05:49:13.440 But I would say that when you're, like, 20 and older, it's fine.

05:49:17.620 Because my dad was 32 when he met my mom when she was 21.

05:49:20.540 That's a 12-year age gap.

05:49:21.700 Are they together?

05:49:22.520 Oh, yeah.

05:49:22.800 They're still married, yes.

05:49:23.440 So, I mean, you have an example in your own life.

05:49:25.400 So, why would you object to it?

05:49:27.120 Well, I said, like, 20 and older.

05:49:28.780 Like, 18, 19, you're literally fresh out of high school.

05:49:31.580 You're probably about to go to college.

05:49:32.920 Your parents expect you to probably finish school or just start college.

05:49:36.120 They don't expect you to meet a 35-year-old dude and get married.

05:49:39.100 And realistically, a lot of fathers would not accept something like that.

05:49:42.780 Sure, that's fine.

05:49:43.540 I'm not saying women are obliged or forced to date older men.

05:49:46.920 In fact, most women don't want to. 1.00

05:49:49.060 But I don't see anything wrong if the woman wanted to and the man wanted to.

05:49:53.000 I can't actually think of anything wrong with it.

05:49:56.440 So, I've never, in other words, I've never, this is what I would say.

05:50:00.140 I've never actually heard a compelling moral argument for why I would be wrong if the age of adulthood is considered 18 for somebody with a significant age gap relationship to date or marry an 18-year-old.

05:50:13.860 I've never heard a compelling moral argument against it.

05:50:17.740 So, what is a 35-year-old, like, when you look at, when you're a 35-year-old man, you see an 18-year-old girl that can't even, she can't drink.

05:50:24.940 She can't legally do a lot of things at her age.

05:50:28.160 She's just an adult.

05:50:29.980 She can vote, sure.

05:50:31.160 She could go into the army, whatever she wants.

05:50:33.340 She could do all those things.

05:50:34.120 So, she's an adult.

05:50:35.340 But at 18, she can make decisions like that for her career and stuff.

05:50:39.500 But as far as, like, getting...

05:50:40.220 But she can't determine who she wants to be with.

05:50:42.360 She can just run the country. 1.00

05:50:44.180 So, she can vote to run the country. 0.95

05:50:46.140 She can join the military.

05:50:48.100 She can sign a contract.

05:50:49.180 She can buy a house. 0.85

05:50:49.920 She can do everything in the world except decide who she wants to date.

05:50:52.720 She can't drink alcohol.

05:50:53.200 Well, I didn't say she didn't have to.

05:50:54.520 I just said, I just personally, I don't agree with that type of an age gap because she's 1.00

05:50:57.240 literally fresh out of high school.

05:50:59.020 Yeah, but let's say high school...

05:51:00.420 I think, like, what is a 35-year-old man looking at an 18-year-old?

05:51:01.020 But let's say high school lasted until you were 20.

05:51:04.160 Then would the fresh out of the high school thing...

05:51:06.140 Because that's good rhetoric, right, to say fresh out of high school.

05:51:08.780 But if it lasted until you were 20, would you still say fresh out of high school?

05:51:12.320 No, you're 20.

05:51:13.040 Yeah, right.

05:51:13.580 So, the high school thing is not relevant here.

05:51:17.060 You don't think so?

05:51:17.780 In high school, right, the idea here is that you think that there's some kind of ick factor

05:51:23.580 from you as to why this is icky.

05:51:26.440 I get that.

05:51:27.300 Totally understand. 0.98

05:51:28.380 I think age gaps are fucking icky too. 0.97

05:51:31.520 But I can't make a moral argument against them. 0.98

05:51:35.080 Can I try and add it?

05:51:36.000 Yeah, I'd like to hear one.

05:51:37.160 Okay.

05:51:37.300 So, if I'm thinking of me at age 18 versus me even now at 27, mentally, what I'm able

05:51:45.020 to understand, how I'm able to articulate myself, the type of decisions I'm making are

05:51:50.320 completely different.

05:51:51.980 Let me tell you why this is a bad argument.

05:51:53.600 Okay.

05:51:54.100 Because that'll be the same case when you're 37.

05:51:56.740 So, why should we let you date right now at 27?

05:51:59.400 So, at 27, I shouldn't date a 40-year-old because, but, because, so what I'm saying

05:52:05.080 though, which I think it does have a good argument, is don't you think an 18-year-old,

05:52:10.020 like, their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed yet?

05:52:12.600 Like, why, why are they, why should they be, like, morally, don't you think that would

05:52:16.460 be wrong of the 35-year-old to be, like, I see it as almost like, that's like a little

05:52:20.740 bit of a prey type thing.

05:52:22.300 Well, let's find out.

05:52:22.400 That's double the age.

05:52:23.540 Is your objection that the prefrontal cortex is not fully developed?

05:52:26.360 Yes, like, I, I wouldn't consider myself actually being an adult until I was 25.

05:52:30.500 That's the year I'd say, wow, I actually think I was an adult.

05:52:33.240 So then, by this logic, women should not be able to vote until they're 25. 1.00

05:52:40.520 I don't, well, I, I wouldn't say that I can say the same thing for men, but I would think 0.90

05:52:46.340 that we would be able to vote at the same time.

05:52:48.000 But wait, the objection is not that men should not be able to at 18 date 40-year-old women.

05:52:51.800 I know, I just didn't want it to be that an 18-year-old boy can vote and a 25-year-old 0.82

05:52:55.120 woman couldn't vote. 1.00

05:52:56.360 That's all I wanted to add in.

05:52:57.880 Yeah, but why not?

05:52:57.980 Because you're not saying that men shouldn't date 40-year-old women at 18 because their

05:53:02.180 prefrontal cortex isn't developed.

05:53:03.180 No, I think they also shouldn't.

05:53:04.880 I don't, I'm saying I can't get in the brain of them, I can't get in the brain.

05:53:08.760 Do their prefrontal cortexes develop at the same rate?

05:53:12.280 No, men develop slower.

05:53:13.900 No, men's are slower. 0.99

05:53:15.260 Slower.

05:53:15.760 Men's are slower. 1.00

05:53:16.560 So you, so you want, so, so wait, so, so men can't make the decision to date until what,

05:53:23.140 28 in an age gap relationship?

05:53:27.240 Who's saying that?

05:53:27.900 She said that.

05:53:28.140 Well, I'm not saying that it's like they absolutely shouldn't, it's illegal, but I'm saying when

05:53:34.140 you were saying, oh, I don't know if there's like a moral standpoint, I would.

05:53:36.600 You sound like I've heard a moral standpoint, you say, so if you say, if you're going to

05:53:40.640 make this claim, I'm not an adult until I'm 25 because my Abdullah Ablangada is not completely

05:53:46.360 developed yet.

05:53:48.640 Right.

05:53:48.880 It's like, okay, that's fair. 0.99

05:53:51.320 Why the fuck would I let you do any adult shit then? 1.00

05:53:53.660 Why would I let you vote? 1.00

05:53:54.660 Why would I let you buy a house?

05:53:55.820 Why would I let you, why would I let you join politics?

05:53:58.760 Honestly, though, that could be true then.

05:54:00.620 Okay.

05:54:00.800 So then if, if it doesn't develop till 25, then, then, okay, raise the age of consent

05:54:07.200 to 25, because that's when you're an adult, I'm all for it.

05:54:11.620 All I need you to hear, all I need to hear from you is women are incapable of, of giving 1.00

05:54:18.300 consent until they're 25.

05:54:21.920 That's all I need to hear.

05:54:22.960 And then I'm with you.

05:54:24.380 I can't speak for all women. 0.96

05:54:26.840 Oh, well, then I guess you can't say it's immoral.

05:54:28.320 No, I can't.

05:54:28.880 I can only, I can only speak for me if I put myself and, and I know that I'm not.

05:54:33.480 So you couldn't consent till you were 25?

05:54:35.520 No, I know that if I was 18, that absolutely would have not been a healthy or morally correct

05:54:40.260 situation for me to be with a man who's 35 years old.

05:54:44.940 All right.

05:54:45.420 So, so yeah, the, so the idea here is.

05:54:48.460 That's funny.

05:54:49.000 Um, I have a master's degree, so in creative writing, and I have six books, so.

05:54:56.520 I thought you had something in psychology.

05:54:58.160 I do have a bachelor's in psychology, a master's in creative writing.

05:55:00.680 Oh, nice.

05:55:01.320 Okay.

05:55:01.700 So anyway, the idea here is that's fine.

05:55:06.220 I'm willing to cede the ground that we should wait to call people adults till they're 25.

05:55:12.720 But that means the entailment of that is we have to treat them like they're not adults

05:55:18.440 until they're 25, which means no voting, no age of consent.

05:55:23.640 They can't be, they can't have sex with somebody who's 26 then, uh, until they're 25. 0.85

05:55:29.240 If they're 24, they can't have sex with a 26 year old. 1.00

05:55:31.760 It'd be like a 16 year old screwing an 18 year old, right? 0.99

05:55:34.200 Be the same exact thing.

05:55:35.680 So you would have to raise the age of consent.

05:55:37.660 You'd have to raise the voting age.

05:55:38.820 You have to raise all of that.

05:55:40.000 If you're fine saying that that's what you want, then I can agree to it.

05:55:44.400 Right.

05:55:46.120 Then I would say I'd have to know on the back end more research of why it's actually 18

05:55:50.640 right now.

05:55:51.700 You know what I'm saying?

05:55:52.840 So I don't know.

05:55:53.560 I can't.

05:55:54.060 Because physiologically it's completely undamaging for females at age 18 to 21 to have children. 0.83

05:55:59.720 That's why.

05:56:00.860 You could make the argument 17, 16, 15 on average, you're going to incur more damage.

05:56:06.020 18, usually not.

05:56:07.360 It's a healthy age for child rearing, just like 19 is, 20, 21.

05:56:11.920 The reason they want to start early is so that you can have as many children as possible.

05:56:15.860 This is the idea behind it.

05:56:17.320 So your fertile years are in front of you.

05:56:19.460 So it makes sense actually.

05:56:21.000 Okay.

05:56:22.060 So you don't think it's ever just a sex thing?

05:56:24.160 You're 35 looking at 18 year old?

05:56:25.800 I'm absolutely certain that most men at 35 who wanted to get married to an 18 year old

05:56:33.080 would be doing it specifically. 0.75

05:56:35.280 The primary reason would be because they wanted to have lots and lots of sex with them and 1.00

05:56:40.260 make babies. 0.99

05:56:40.920 Yes, absolutely.

05:56:42.020 I would concede that 100%.

05:56:43.800 Just not sure what the problem with that is.

05:56:46.660 That's the thing that gets me is like, how do I, how do you construct a moral argument

05:56:52.220 that that's incorrect for them to do if they're adults?

05:56:55.260 So if they're 35, they're 18, they're adults.

05:56:58.340 What's actually incorrect if that is their most fertile years between 18, 20, let's say

05:57:03.120 26.

05:57:04.520 And see, it's almost compelling the other way.

05:57:07.180 Right.

05:57:07.660 But any person's going to question it.

05:57:09.380 Like, how long were you guys dating?

05:57:10.980 How long were you like looking at my daughter for you to even say, you know what?

05:57:14.260 I want to talk to this girl.

05:57:15.440 She's 18.

05:57:16.680 They would ask the same questions at 29.

05:57:20.780 Yep.

05:57:21.360 No.

05:57:21.980 But just granting.

05:57:23.000 Yeah, they would.

05:57:23.420 Like your dad would be like, how long have you known this guy before you married him?

05:57:27.480 Regardless of your age, right?

05:57:28.580 You have an 18 dating 35.

05:57:30.340 How long were you talking to her for you to be like, you know, this is my potential life.

05:57:32.520 Let's just grant they met, they first made contact, she was 18.

05:57:37.260 Mm-hmm.

05:57:38.800 Yeah.

05:57:39.960 First made contact, 18.

05:57:42.120 So are you literally just scouting out just 18-year-olds or you just met her randomly one day?

05:57:45.800 I'm going to assume that they're just scouting out 18-year-olds.

05:57:48.520 They just adore them.

05:57:49.880 But you just don't think it's like a little weird?

05:57:51.560 You don't think that's like a fetish?

05:57:52.880 I have like teenagers.

05:57:54.460 Regardless of if I think it's weird or I think it's ick or I think it's gross or any number of different things, right?

05:58:02.260 The Orthodox, my religion, don't even endorse age gaps that wide, okay?

05:58:06.920 So I can actually make a moral argument.

05:58:09.540 But ultimately, I cannot think of why if it gives you the ick, that makes it immoral.

05:58:17.180 A counter example.

05:58:18.200 If I were to say LGBTQ gives me the ick, right? 1.00

05:58:22.460 Would you accept that as being a valid argument for why they shouldn't be LGBTQ? 0.59

05:58:27.800 That would be the reason, yeah.

05:58:29.160 Would you accept that? 0.99

05:58:31.160 Fuck no, you ain't going to accept that, right? 1.00

05:58:32.960 So if you wouldn't accept that, then why the fuck would a guy ever accept that it gives you the ick as being something valid for anything? 1.00

05:58:42.460 You know what I mean? 0.98

05:58:43.980 Yes, but I don't think that my point about an 18-year-old potentially being too young is about an ick at all.

05:58:51.040 I think that someone who's 36 has double the amount of life experience as an 18-year-old.

05:58:54.900 So why should they keep it up?

05:58:58.600 Because a 26-year-old and a 26-year-old, one of them can still have double the life experience of the other.

05:59:03.700 And you know this.

05:59:04.500 That's true.

05:59:05.080 So the thing is, it's like...

05:59:06.620 So an 18-year-old could have the...

05:59:08.260 Can I ask you a question?

05:59:08.820 Hang on.

05:59:09.260 So would you make the objection, the same objection, if there's two 26-year-olds, one of them had double the life experience of the other one, would you make the same objection?

05:59:17.340 I know you have a point there.

05:59:18.340 So if I wouldn't, or I'm sorry, if you wouldn't make that same objection, then it gives you the ick.

05:59:25.640 Okay.

05:59:26.400 There's got to be an ick factor, right?

05:59:31.040 I'll have to think on it.

05:59:32.060 Okay.

05:59:32.500 That's fair.

05:59:32.860 I was going to ask sort of almost a similar question as you, Andrew, on that.

05:59:37.080 So you could have, for example, if you had a 40-year-old man who was a rock star, traveled the world, had all these experiences, sexual experiences, whatever,

05:59:45.580 and then he wants to date a 40-year-old woman who worked, who lived in a small town, dull life, never went outside of her town.

05:59:56.760 That's still double the life experience.

05:59:58.380 That's the point.

05:59:59.040 That's...

05:59:59.400 Right.

05:59:59.580 The life experience is so asymmetrical. 0.98

06:00:04.300 Or you can also have it the opposite direction, where you could say the 19-year-old girl, right, partied hard in high school and traveled the world with her family and all sorts of shit,

06:00:13.600 gets married to a 35-year-old fuddy-duddy churchgoer who really hasn't had much experience outside of just gets up and goes to work every day.

06:00:23.020 So you could even make the case the opposite direction, that it's possible for the younger person to have more life experience than the older person.

06:00:28.440 Though I would grant probably not the case, right?

06:00:32.720 Most certainly is in the case of most people that I've met who get married around the same age, that one is far more mature than the other.

06:00:39.460 Right.

06:00:39.640 That is definitely the case.

06:00:41.480 So it doesn't actually give me the ick.

06:00:43.560 My thought then is, if the 18-year-old was mature enough and had the capability to meet at the intellectual level of the 35-year-old, then yes, I think that that could work.

06:00:52.800 Then it can't be immoral for a 35-year-old to marry an 18-year-old.

06:00:57.120 Right.

06:00:57.420 I don't understand the meet at the intellectual level.

06:01:00.160 It just means that they're equally yoked somehow.

06:01:03.180 Yes.

06:01:03.920 Because I can always...

06:01:04.640 Do you ever hear an 18-year-old girl speak?

06:01:06.000 Jesus.

06:01:06.920 Yeah.

06:01:07.200 I mean, we have three at the table.

06:01:09.640 Well, by the way, they were very articulate.

06:01:12.960 Absolutely.

06:01:13.760 Very articulate.

06:01:14.020 And then that's another part of, you know, I'm thinking they, like, I was just thinking when I'm thinking of me at 18, holy hell, no way is that going with the 36-year-old.

06:01:21.700 Right?

06:01:21.920 Well, and let's face it, too.

06:01:22.520 But I can't speak for everyone.

06:01:23.560 This is the same thing that when you think about the idea, because we argue this, right?

06:01:30.060 But the truth is, it's like, basically nobody does this.

06:01:33.180 This is the fringe of society.

06:01:35.560 Ultimately, most everybody dates within about three years and marries within about three years.

06:01:40.740 But if you are going to kind of talk about the fringe cases, because they're interesting, and that's why we're talking about them, right?

06:01:48.920 Then ultimately, I think we better have something more than, it's just kind of gross.

06:01:54.780 You know?

06:01:55.280 I think we do.

06:01:56.280 Is it really all that fringe, though?

06:01:57.680 Well, I mean, plenty of women have anecdotes about, you know, maybe not all the men they've dated are significant age gaps.

06:02:04.260 But a lot of women have had age gap relationships, especially when they were younger. 1.00

06:02:10.820 But the overwhelming majority of them don't.

06:02:13.820 That's what I mean by kind of the fringe.

06:02:15.820 The overwhelming majority of them, they really are dating within a few.

06:02:19.880 And this actually, the reason this makes a lot of sense is because you're a product of the people that you're around the most.

06:02:26.000 And usually, it's going to be this friend group you're with in high school.

06:02:30.340 And you meet people through them.

06:02:31.900 They're going to be around the same age.

06:02:33.200 If you're at work, it's probably going to be around the same age.

06:02:35.620 If you're working at Starbucks, you're probably not going to be 50.

06:02:37.820 You're probably going to be 20, right?

06:02:39.800 So people tend to kind of meet each other around those same ages.

06:02:44.160 So it kind of makes sense why that occurs.

06:02:46.500 But I'll tell you something really interesting.

06:02:49.000 In the UK, they did a study where they took, and this is the Office of National Statistics.

06:02:54.900 They took every marriage which had ever occurred in the UK, which was recorded, to look for a deviation in divorce rates. 0.98

06:03:01.920 The assumption here being, because some stupid-ass study in the U.S. came out saying that age gap relationships fail at this massive rate. 1.00

06:03:12.220 It was all total bullshit. 0.99

06:03:14.200 They went through and looked for the deviation to see if they couldn't find whether or not there was a significant difference in the divorces between age gap and non-age gap relationships. 0.96

06:03:22.400 There was no significant difference at all, none, which means they worked out just as much as the ones that didn't, which kind of makes sense because it wasn't that long ago that age gaps, even when my dad was a kid, very common.

06:03:36.960 My mom, like, same thing, my mom and dad, just like yours, massive age gap.

06:03:41.840 Worked out fine.

06:03:44.480 Worked out fine.

06:03:45.280 So it sounded like everybody was, oh, you got to take off.

06:03:49.100 Okay.

06:03:49.980 Thank you for coming, Andrew.

06:03:51.080 Appreciate it.

06:03:52.600 We're going to maybe move the chairs around a little bit.

06:03:55.160 We'll try to wrap soon.

06:03:56.160 Nice to meet you guys.

06:03:57.220 Nice to meet you.

06:03:58.100 Have a good night.

06:03:58.680 Thank you for coming, Andrew.

06:03:59.680 Appreciate it.

06:04:00.320 Appreciate it.

06:04:01.940 Us two are going to have to leave pretty soon, too.

06:04:03.960 We have a commute.

06:04:05.100 Yeah.

06:04:05.300 And then I think we're going to move chairs around a little bit.

06:04:14.760 So I think what we're going to do, Maddie, I'm going to put you back over here.

06:04:19.420 And I'm just going to have you four shift down.

06:04:26.420 Actually, wait.

06:04:27.020 Let's just do this.

06:04:27.620 You two stay there.

06:04:28.820 You take that seat, and then you take that seat.

06:04:31.860 So just shift over one.

06:04:33.080 I'm just kind of fixing the angles here a little bit.

06:04:36.300 Sorry, guys.

06:04:37.140 One sec.

06:04:37.520 As we readjust things here.

06:04:39.820 Appreciate it.

06:04:40.920 Appreciate it, guys.

06:04:43.540 All right.

06:04:44.420 Mods.

06:04:44.960 You can honestly, any mods, you can just permaban people who are saying they're going to leave, too.

06:04:52.100 You just permaban the mods.

06:04:55.400 Go ahead, mods.

06:04:59.140 So, okay.

06:05:03.040 Let's see here.

06:05:03.920 I need to do some super chats here.

06:05:06.600 Maddie, can you read these?

06:05:08.580 Spent $11,000 on a wedding ring.

06:05:10.940 Two years later, she wants a divorce, and I find out that gifts like a wedding band can't be split in a divorce.

06:05:17.540 Never again.

06:05:18.020 $11,000 is a lot.

06:05:22.480 All right.

06:05:22.980 That's a lot on the ring.

06:05:24.900 Thank you, old man.

06:05:25.680 Marie, appreciate it.

06:05:26.980 We have another one coming in from him here.

06:05:29.920 What would you say to that relationship of an 18-year-old and a 35-year-old if they stayed married for 50-plus years?

06:05:37.300 Would you still have a problem with it?

06:05:38.700 I just don't agree with that type of an age gap when you're a teenager.

06:05:43.520 If it's 21 and older, I don't care. 1.00

06:05:45.520 I mean, if they last for that long, then good for them.

06:05:48.320 What do you think, like, the big jump is between, like, 18, 19 to 20?

06:05:54.580 It's just maturity level.

06:05:56.520 That's just what I think it is for me personally is maturity level.

06:05:59.220 Like, you think after 19, everyone just, like, gets mature, and then at 20, you're, like, I don't know.

06:06:06.120 Do you know what I'm saying?

06:06:07.620 Yeah, I know what you're saying, but it's just, it's probably also just how I grew up, and then the way that a lot of us are raised is to, like, they want us to go to college and do all these things,

06:06:17.580 and then the last thing that they want to see is a 35, 40-year-old man hitting under 18-year-old.

06:06:23.020 Hmm?

06:06:23.160 There's an angle.

06:06:25.100 You want to adjust it?

06:06:27.800 Just adjust her. 0.91

06:06:32.540 Yeah, so can you scoot this way?

06:06:36.500 Like, scoot your chair, you scoot through your chair this way?

06:06:39.600 You scoot your chair, move your chair.

06:06:46.820 Did that change anything?

06:06:48.560 Yeah, I made it better.

06:06:49.700 Okay.

06:06:51.060 All right.

06:06:52.380 Go ahead.

06:06:53.940 I was just saying, it's just basically just, I would just say just how I grew up and how we're all raised.

06:06:57.680 The majority of us is, like, to go to school.

06:06:59.380 Like, we have, like, a whole, like, plan for our lives that our parents set for us.

06:07:02.760 And then seeing, like, a 35-year-old dude hitting on your 18-year-old, you're going to be like, eh, that's a little weird.

06:07:09.420 That's just how we grow up.

06:07:10.440 It's just, like, a teenager.

06:07:12.000 It's just weird.

06:07:12.900 But if they last, then we have one more chat here.

06:07:22.360 Hold on.

06:07:23.000 Let me pull this up.

06:07:23.940 Women moving on to different men, if they don't conceive is normal for our species, birth control has destroyed the natural order. 1.00

06:07:33.600 If she's not getting pregnant, finding a new man is good for species. 1.00

06:07:38.440 I do want to, I mean, I'm going to keep it on age gap a little bit there because I had to get up for a moment.

06:07:42.540 So, I mean, you do OnlyFans, correct?

06:07:46.420 Me?

06:07:46.860 Yeah.

06:07:47.100 I do Loyal Fans, but not in that context.

06:07:49.140 Oh, not OF.

06:07:49.920 But I'm assuming you don't have any issue with sex work, right?

06:07:52.600 No, I don't.

06:07:53.560 Okay.

06:07:53.960 So should 18-year-old women be allowed to do sex work? 1.00

06:07:59.760 I mean, I don't think I would co-sign it.

06:08:05.420 But, again, I mean, I guess you're a legal adult.

06:08:07.600 I mean, I do see a problem with it just because, I mean, you're 18, 19, like you're still a teenager regardless of whether you're a legal adult or not.

06:08:17.220 I don't understand, like, if there was a word that described an age range from, like, 10 to 30, right, I don't see how that's really helpful because, like, you'll, when this age gap conversation comes up, you'll use loaded language, like, but they're a teenager.

06:08:35.180 Yes, a 19-year-old is technically a teenager, but so too is a 13-year-old.

06:08:41.720 Now, can we agree that dating, like, if someone wanted to date a 13-year-old, that's way more, like, that's, first off, it's criminal.

06:08:52.160 Well, yeah.

06:08:52.640 I think that's reprehensible.

06:08:54.300 That's so different than dating a 19-year-old.

06:08:58.860 Like, if you're 22 and you're dating a 19-year-old, she's a teenager, right?

06:09:03.700 But using the word teenager is very, like, it's a very intentional spin.

06:09:11.560 I mean, I get what you're saying.

06:09:12.940 No, you're attempting to pathologize it by using loaded language.

06:09:15.880 No, I mean, I was just stating a fact, like, you are technically...

06:09:19.800 Yes, factually, you are a teenager.

06:09:21.980 Yeah.

06:09:22.260 But you're going to frame it as, in a way, why would you want to date a teenager when a teenager can also encompass a 13-year-old?

06:09:31.360 And that's, like, P-word territory, right?

06:09:33.140 Yeah.

06:09:33.840 But you're not a P-word if you want to date a 19-year-old.

06:09:39.140 I still think it's weird.

06:09:40.560 Like, I just don't.

06:09:41.760 I don't agree with it.

06:09:42.200 Right, but I'm just pointing out the way in which you use loaded language.

06:09:44.580 I get what you're saying, yeah.

06:09:46.120 Do you know marketing spin?

06:09:47.680 Do you know the term spin?

06:09:49.180 Yeah.

06:09:49.880 So when you spin, it's like, okay, there's the truth, and then you're going to try to, like, shift kind of the perception of something by using certain language.

06:09:58.420 Okay, well, that wasn't really my intention to you.

06:10:02.020 I was just stating a simple fact.

06:10:03.940 I still think it's weird.

06:10:05.100 I don't agree with it.

06:10:07.180 Right, but, I mean, so teenager is simply represent, like, so teen, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, right?

06:10:14.840 It's a term that applies to a very wide age range, right?

06:10:19.140 So if there's an equivalent term that equated to, like, the age from 10 to 30, I'm sure you would agree that this really means nothing.

06:10:27.680 Oh, you want to date quibbles.

06:10:31.900 You want to date a quibble, and that's from, like, 10?

06:10:34.720 A quibble is from 10 to 30.

06:10:38.480 Oh, so you want to date a, you're 33, and you want to date a 30-year-old. 0.97

06:10:42.360 I don't think anybody here has any objections to that, but if somebody wanted, like, a 30-year-old, wanted to date, like, a 10-year-old quibble, I just made this shit up. 0.99

06:10:50.740 I don't know what the fuck. 0.99

06:10:51.740 I don't know. 0.99

06:10:52.380 It would not be useful.

06:10:54.380 It would not really be useful for the sake of conversation.

06:10:57.220 So just pointing out while they're a teenager, okay, that's not really an argument.

06:11:02.720 You're still young.

06:11:04.060 You're still impressionable, and I don't think you have enough life experience at that point to be able to make those informed decisions, and that's my take on that.

06:11:12.360 Is that the voting thing?

06:11:13.700 Yeah, he talked about voting.

06:11:15.160 Okay, so then, I mean, I wasn't here, but so then women should just not be able to vote at 18 then, right? 1.00

06:11:21.820 I mean, I would say you can't say, like, women.

06:11:25.240 I would say just all people.

06:11:26.680 I feel like 18 is pretty young because I don't think that a lot of 18-year-olds really have a concept, a good concept of politics.

06:11:33.640 Or the economy, really.

06:11:34.640 Or the economy.

06:11:36.240 So knowing this, like knowing that younger people tend to lean more liberal, especially women.

06:11:42.960 I mean, they tend to lean more liberal in general.

06:11:45.160 But knowing this, like let's say, when should the voting age be?

06:11:49.880 25?

06:11:50.900 No.

06:11:51.900 Younger?

06:11:52.740 Yeah, I would say, like, maybe 21.

06:11:55.400 But again, I don't really have any authority to even come up with that.

06:11:58.620 So at 21, you can date any age then?

06:12:00.740 21, you can date a 50-year-old.

06:12:02.740 I would say, yeah, 21 is at the age where you've, I think, dealt with enough things in life that you can, you know, hold your own as an adult.

06:12:12.640 You probably have a plan by then at 21, like to get your life started.

06:12:16.820 Maybe if you want to, you're like, you know what, I just finished college.

06:12:18.760 I want to start dating.

06:12:19.480 I want to have a family.

06:12:20.620 I don't see a problem with that.

06:12:21.540 I would just say 18, you don't know what you want to do with your life yet, majority 18-year-olds.

06:12:26.040 Unless you're, like, very religious, which is fine. 0.99

06:12:28.180 Or if you're, like, from the country or the south or something.

06:12:31.180 But when you're 18, you don't really know what you really want to do.

06:12:35.000 I mean, we just don't.

06:12:37.320 We have no idea.

06:12:38.040 We change our minds 24, like, all the time.

06:12:40.300 Okay.

06:12:40.720 What does that have to do with who you can or cannot date?

06:12:44.760 So, okay, just should 18-year-olds not be able to sign contracts, too?

06:12:49.880 No contracts?

06:12:51.480 Can't?

06:12:52.220 Well, don't they need a parent if they want an apartment? 1.00

06:12:54.880 Is that where you're going?

06:12:55.960 Well, that's, I mean, as an 18-year-old, you can legally enter into a contract.

06:13:00.560 Whether people will enter into a contract with an 18-year-old without a cosigner, for example, that's another conversation.

06:13:08.100 But at what point do we start, you know, removing agency from what society has deemed as an adult?

06:13:16.000 So, you can't legally enter into a contract until you're 21.

06:13:21.000 You can't get student loans.

06:13:24.260 You can't do all these things.

06:13:25.380 Like, at what point?

06:13:27.140 Well, I'm pretty sure you, to get student loans, if I'm not, or maybe it's something else.

06:13:32.460 But I think you have to be 24 to be considered, like, an independent from your parent when it comes to getting, like, certain grants and stuff like that.

06:13:41.080 So, I think a Pell grant.

06:13:43.120 I don't know about Pell grants, but I'm pretty sure an 18-year-old can get student loans.

06:13:47.120 Well, yeah, they can get student loans.

06:13:48.260 But there are certain grants that you just can't get as an 18-year-old.

06:13:51.220 You have to have your parent, like, cosign on that.

06:13:53.980 I'm just saying.

06:13:54.740 I mean, you can't rent a car under, what, 25?

06:13:58.980 Yeah, but there's no, I don't think that's a law.

06:14:01.220 These are just companies that, I don't know the specifics when it comes to car rentals.

06:14:05.340 There's no law that precludes a company from renting to people who are under 25.

06:14:09.960 These rental companies perhaps have made a determination.

06:14:13.540 And I think you might be able to actually, I don't know precisely, but they've just made a determination that it's a liability to them to rent to under 25.

06:14:21.680 Majority of them, you can.

06:14:22.760 You just have to pay, like, larger fees.

06:14:24.260 Like, you have to do, like, a $300 cover for it.

06:14:26.980 Because, like, you're more liable.

06:14:28.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:14:29.840 So, yeah.

06:14:32.020 I don't know.

06:14:32.680 I just haven't really heard a compelling reason on this.

06:14:38.100 I mean, that's fine.

06:14:39.980 I mean, what do you want me to say?

06:14:41.540 Majority of parents.

06:14:41.720 But, so, like, what's the, so I've heard of, like, what are the actual arguments?

06:14:45.200 I mean, like.

06:14:47.020 It's just something that I personally just don't agree with.

06:14:49.240 And let's be real.

06:14:50.120 Majority of parents would not agree with that if they saw their daughter that's 18 trying to marry someone that's 30, 35.

06:14:55.220 Sure.

06:14:55.920 They won't.

06:14:56.560 Initially, they probably wouldn't agree with it.

06:14:58.240 Maybe over time once they get to know the man, they get to know his intent.

06:15:00.980 Like, what he plans to, like, if their values mesh, then sure.

06:15:04.460 But initially, a lot of people just don't.

06:15:06.560 Well, let me ask you a question.

06:15:07.800 So, you have a 20-year-old daughter.

06:15:11.420 Okay.

06:15:11.560 We'll say 19-year-old daughter.

06:15:13.120 We'll keep her a teenager, I guess, whatever. 1.00

06:15:16.560 Would you prefer to see her go to college and just have a string of men her age fuck her once and never talk to her again? 1.00

06:15:26.820 Or see her in a loving, committed, monogamous relationship with a 30-year-old who treats her well? 1.00

06:15:34.560 Which would you prefer?

06:15:37.200 Well, obviously, the second one.

06:15:39.120 Okay.

06:15:39.340 You're saying that she's going to get used while she's in college.

06:15:41.880 Isn't that what happens to most women in college? 1.00

06:15:45.320 Am I wrong?

06:15:46.260 No, that's not.

06:15:46.880 Am I wrong?

06:15:48.500 Most college boys who are in their age range, a lot of them don't want a relationship.

06:15:54.920 Some do.

06:15:55.760 Some, plenty of women will find relationships in college. 1.00

06:15:59.260 But I think a lot of women's experiences, they just go, they get from, they jump from neck guy to guy to guy. 1.00

06:16:09.940 They have a string of one-night stands. 1.00

06:16:12.440 The guys are fuckboys. 1.00

06:16:13.740 They don't want to commit. 1.00

06:16:15.080 It was also the way you raised your child.

06:16:16.840 Like, what are the values that you instilled in your daughter?

06:16:19.760 Because not all college girls are like that. 0.86

06:16:21.780 I honestly was not like that.

06:16:23.240 I wasn't just hopping from wiener to wiener.

06:16:25.180 I just wasn't doing that.

06:16:27.040 And it's just like, I'm in a lot of-

06:16:28.280 You never got played by a guy?

06:16:29.640 Oh, of course.

06:16:30.140 I was in two relationships.

06:16:31.400 You never got played by a guy who was like, oh, I want everything, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

06:16:35.740 He fucks you and then it's over. 0.68

06:16:37.640 You've never had that? 1.00

06:16:38.300 I was in two relationships, yeah.

06:16:39.460 It was just horrible.

06:16:40.240 Have any of the girls here had that? 0.99

06:16:41.780 Have you had that?

06:16:42.320 Of course.

06:16:43.160 What's the question?

06:16:43.740 Have you had that?

06:16:44.240 Just been played by a guy?

06:16:45.340 Huh?

06:16:45.520 Just been played by a guy in general?

06:16:48.240 Right.

06:16:48.600 You got played by a guy?

06:16:49.480 He was your age?

06:16:50.500 You've been played by a guy?

06:16:52.040 And a lot of times we do dig in our age range.

06:16:53.940 No, no, no.

06:16:54.180 But it's like this idea that, okay, if I date guys, you're just as likely to encounter toxic

06:17:01.560 guys, abusive guys.

06:17:03.100 Actually, I would argue that comparatively speaking, you're probably a little more likely to run 0.99

06:17:09.320 into a fuck boy at your age than if a guy's a little bit older. 0.98

06:17:15.520 I think, anyways. 1.00

06:17:19.600 Well, I don't disagree with that.

06:17:21.140 But I'm just like, okay, now, I'll even grant, though, like, if the comparison is, okay, long-term

06:17:28.760 monogamous healthy relationship with a guy who's her age versus a guy who's 30, I don't

06:17:33.600 think there's anything wrong if you were to say, I prefer it with a guy her age.

06:17:36.740 But also, if a lot of women's experience is, okay, well, I'm getting mistreated by the 1.00

06:17:47.040 men who are my age, I don't actually think there's any objection if they meet a guy who's

06:17:51.140 a bit older and he wants a long-term relationship.

06:17:55.700 I think that that's a probably better position to be in than to be just getting a string of 0.99

06:18:05.740 like, fuck boys and one-night stands. 1.00

06:18:08.280 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

06:18:08.920 Like, initially, no, it doesn't matter who you are, you're going to think it's odd.

06:18:12.440 But as you get to know the guy and you get to see, like, you know what, maybe this guy

06:18:16.300 is actually good for my daughter and I trust him with her life and her safety and they

06:18:20.100 want to have, you know, they want to take things further, then that's fine.

06:18:22.860 I'm just saying, initially, nobody's going to really, they're just going to think it's

06:18:25.480 weird, it's odd.

06:18:26.860 I also think it's better in comparison, it's not necessarily better in general.

06:18:30.340 Like, in comparison, being played after played, but not necessarily a good thing.

06:18:35.740 I mean, it can be.

06:18:37.160 Like, well, you were just comparing it to them getting, like, ran through, basically.

06:18:40.380 I feel like in comparison, yeah, obviously the better option is the older man. 0.98

06:18:43.380 Well, yeah, of course.

06:18:44.240 But it's like, it's not necessarily the case that it's either being run through or a 35-year-old

06:18:49.940 man.

06:18:50.580 Sure, that's not always, like, going to be the case. 0.86

06:18:53.160 And it could be the case that the 35-year-old, 40-year-old, whatever it is, just wants sex and

06:18:58.260 never wants to talk to you again, too.

06:18:59.580 That could be the case.

06:19:01.500 But presented with that situation, I mean, a lot of the complaints we've had, over a

06:19:07.300 thousand women come on the show, a lot of the complaints that we hear from girls who 1.00

06:19:12.280 are in college, 18, 19, 20, 21, is these guys don't want commitment, they don't want to

06:19:16.900 commit, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. 1.00

06:19:19.620 Fuck boys, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

06:19:21.900 Here it's all the time. 1.00

06:19:23.180 And so, yeah, I don't know.

06:19:28.020 And anyways, talking about my specific situation, so I would never be in a situation where I'm,

06:19:33.800 like, going and hanging out at college parties or some shit.

06:19:37.700 Like, I would date a girl who's older than me, too. 0.81

06:19:40.000 But I actually don't see anything wrong with dating a girl who's 20, and I'm 35.

06:19:45.620 I don't see what that is.

06:19:46.560 Also, well, okay, how about she's 19, then?

06:19:48.980 Is that what?

06:19:50.900 Okay, she's 19.

06:19:52.140 20.

06:19:52.920 Go ahead, Brian.

06:19:54.160 19.

06:19:54.680 Hold on. 1.00

06:19:55.900 You fucking weirdo. 1.00

06:19:57.160 I think it depends, like, what kind of 19. 1.00

06:19:58.920 Like, 19, like, freshman year of college, or, like, what are we talking here?

06:20:03.680 Like, how young are they, really?

06:20:07.400 That's what I'm saying.

06:20:08.060 It's more like where they are in life than, like, yeah, than, like, the actual age itself.

06:20:13.380 Because you could have an 18-year-old that's still in high school, and then you could also

06:20:16.660 have one that's, like, a junior or sophomore in college.

06:20:19.500 Like, if, when I was on dating apps, I would put the age range from, like, 18 to 40.

06:20:24.840 So I'll date older, I'll date younger, you know?

06:20:27.920 To me, but it's not, like, I think some of your objections would be, like, oh, what if

06:20:31.540 this dude, like, his age range, he's 30-something, and it's, like, 18 to 20 only.

06:20:37.580 He only is, like, going in for that, whereas I guess it's kind of like casting a wider net,

06:20:42.500 you know?

06:20:43.140 Yeah.

06:20:43.380 So, I don't know.

06:20:47.040 What about, okay, how about this scenario?

06:20:49.660 I'm not even on date, if, I'm not on dating apps, whatever.

06:20:53.280 What if a 19-year-old girl slid into my DMs, which happens? 1.00

06:20:57.960 Well, if she's ready for a commitment, she's not trying to use you for a come-up, then what's

06:21:02.140 the problem?

06:21:03.240 Bro, no girl can use me for a come-up, because I don't, like, I don't know.

06:21:05.860 No, if I'm dating a girl, bro, she's not, she's not getting on the show, she's not getting

06:21:10.460 any clout, that's it.

06:21:12.440 Okay.

06:21:12.940 So, I'm not, yeah, I'm not really worried about that.

06:21:15.320 Okay.

06:21:18.840 Why are you laughing, bro?

06:21:20.380 No, it's just, because your response is funny.

06:21:21.800 It's just always going to be on.

06:21:23.020 You're, like, dating a girl, she's absolutely not coming on.

06:21:25.020 I'm the word, bro, you can't clout, you can't really clout dig me.

06:21:28.500 Right, I was just laughing.

06:21:29.420 Like, if you're trying to date me so you can get clout, it's not, no.

06:21:33.700 Like, that's why I laugh, I think, just to separate immediately, like, you already know

06:21:37.660 then that that girl's not coming at you for the clout, because you could let her not front, 0.99

06:21:41.320 like, you're not, you can't use me for clout, because you're not coming on the podcast.

06:21:44.600 Yeah, you're not, like, I'm not going to post you anywhere, you're not, we're not going

06:21:47.960 to do vlogs or some shit.

06:21:49.880 Like, if I got a girlfriend, I could have, I could have had a girlfriend for the past two 0.93

06:21:53.340 years, nobody would know about it.

06:21:54.940 Right.

06:21:55.260 Until the engagement.

06:21:55.920 Like, nobody, like, nobody who watches the show would know about it.

06:21:59.940 Until the engagement.

06:22:00.880 Yeah.

06:22:01.080 Are you getting it down on one knee with the $12,000 ring, saying, will you marry?

06:22:06.060 $12,000 ring is insane.

06:22:06.980 I'm not getting married, that's a whole other thing.

06:22:08.860 I ain't getting married.

06:22:10.020 Hell no.

06:22:11.740 No marriage. 0.79

06:22:12.280 Because of the government, huh?

06:22:12.860 Why?

06:22:13.640 I don't know, fine, I'll, if she's, I was going to make a joke, never mind.

06:22:17.080 What if she's Christian? 0.95

06:22:19.800 What's that have to do with her?

06:22:20.840 And will bow to you every single day.

06:22:22.560 Well, a lot of religious relationships will last longer, right?

06:22:24.940 I guess.

06:22:27.220 Here, let's finish up the notes here.

06:22:28.800 We'll try to wrap up pretty soon, hopefully.

06:22:32.600 You had some beef with pearly things.

06:22:35.500 Yeah.

06:22:36.280 I just didn't agree with, because she was saying that men are better parents than.

06:22:41.020 Can you put that mic on the ground?

06:22:42.780 Which mic is that, Nick?

06:22:44.520 Can you mute that mic?

06:22:45.640 Yeah.

06:22:45.960 Yeah, just put it on the ground.

06:22:47.900 Five.

06:22:49.540 Okay, I guess so.

06:22:52.760 Go ahead, sorry.

06:22:53.440 It was just that she was saying on another podcast that men are better parents than women.

06:22:58.480 And you disagree?

06:22:59.500 I disagree.

06:23:00.140 I just, I wouldn't even say one is better than the other.

06:23:02.260 I think we compliment each other.

06:23:03.320 But the reason why I would disagree is because a lot of the times when we're, as children,

06:23:07.840 when we're sick, who do we go to?

06:23:09.220 We go to mom.

06:23:10.040 And we need help with homework.

06:23:10.820 We go to mom.

06:23:11.680 Mom, my stomach hurts.

06:23:12.460 We go to, we just go to our mom for literally everything.

06:23:15.820 And a lot of times when we ask our dad for something, go ask your mother. 0.92

06:23:18.300 Like, she's literally the, our mothers are the main ones that literally come to all of

06:23:22.720 our sporting events, anything that has to do with school, if we're sick, whatever the

06:23:25.980 case may be, whatever, if we're in trouble, she's the first one that we call.

06:23:28.600 So you think women make better parents? 1.00

06:23:31.320 I wouldn't, oh, sorry.

06:23:34.840 I'm not even saying that even mothers make better parents, but as far as the disciplinary

06:23:39.140 goes, men. 0.84

06:23:39.580 You think it's the same?

06:23:40.880 Huh?

06:23:41.240 So you think it's the same?

06:23:42.320 Yeah, I think we compliment each other.

06:23:43.420 I don't think one is better than the other, to be quite honest with you.

06:23:45.740 Well, can I ask you a question?

06:23:46.860 Sure.

06:23:47.180 So if we compare single mothers to single fathers, who tends to raise better children?

06:23:52.900 Oh, the dads.

06:23:53.500 I'm talking about a two-parent household, though.

06:23:55.600 Oh.

06:23:56.200 A two-parent household where you literally have the mother and the father.

06:23:58.600 That's where she, that was, that's what she was talking about.

06:24:00.620 I'm not talking about single mothers, single, that's a whole different conversation.

06:24:03.740 I'm talking about a two-parent household.

06:24:04.420 I mean, if there are better parents in single-parent households, wouldn't it also apply to two-parent

06:24:10.780 households?

06:24:12.100 A single-parent household would apply to? 0.53

06:24:13.200 So, well, I mean, you said that single fathers tend to do a better job raising children than

06:24:18.780 single mothers. 0.99

06:24:19.640 No, when it comes to discipline, that they're better at disciplining their children. 0.66

06:24:23.380 Mothers are way better at nurturing. 1.00

06:24:25.400 And then they're literally always there for us, 100% of the time. 0.99

06:24:29.340 Even when they're busy, when they're tired, when they're taking a shit, they're always, 0.98

06:24:32.640 it's always there. 0.94

06:24:33.540 Right, but, I mean, I mean, this is not something I've really given a whole lot of thought, aside

06:24:41.020 from the single-parent component of this.

06:24:42.920 No, yeah, the single-parent household, that thing is, I would just say, like, a lot of

06:24:45.620 the times, the parents are just better.

06:24:46.360 I think both people play a very important role.

06:24:49.500 Yeah.

06:24:50.800 So, Pearl was arguing, though, that men, even in two-parent households, play a more important

06:24:56.040 role.

06:24:56.480 Yeah, that's what she was saying, yeah.

06:24:57.220 Did she say why?

06:24:58.660 She was saying, oh, according to statistics, it says that men are just better at being

06:25:02.860 parents.

06:25:04.300 And it's just like, Pearl, you know damn well, like, all the things I listed, like, when

06:25:07.880 we're sick and everything, we always go to our mom.

06:25:09.640 We're hungry.

06:25:10.020 We go to mom.

06:25:10.740 Like, that's just what we do.

06:25:11.980 We just go to our moms 100% of the time.

06:25:14.380 So, when she was saying that, it didn't make any sense to me.

06:25:16.840 I even asked my mom about it, and she's like, what?

06:25:18.860 She's like, your dad was out working the majority of the time, and I was always at home with

06:25:21.520 you girls.

06:25:22.360 And my mom also had a job, too, so I just didn't understand, like, what Pearl was coming

06:25:25.980 at with that.

06:25:26.360 Well, I think she was probably making the argument.

06:25:28.680 I think I maybe saw part of the clip.

06:25:30.720 She's essentially just saying, well, okay, when it comes to single parents, who does a

06:25:34.920 better job, single father, single moms? 0.99

06:25:37.600 And so, she's applying that metric to, well, it's probably somewhat applicable, even in

06:25:44.040 a two-parent household, where the dad's role is potentially more impactful.

06:25:51.100 I don't know if I agree with it, but that's probably what she's arguing.

06:25:54.300 I think she was also saying that dads are more nurturing than the mothers, and I don't

06:25:57.400 understand how that even makes sense.

06:25:58.860 I'm not sure.

06:25:59.780 Dads tell us to shake it off when we get hurt.

06:26:02.400 They say, oh, you'll be all right.

06:26:03.340 That's just how they are.

06:26:05.180 The moms will literally get on their whole nurse outfit and try to help fix the problem. 1.00

06:26:10.220 That's fair.

06:26:10.920 Okay.

06:26:11.360 Well, she's not here.

06:26:12.340 No, yeah.

06:26:12.780 I'm just saying, that's just the one thing.

06:26:13.940 That's not my position, but.

06:26:15.100 Yeah, I just didn't know where you stood on that, or.

06:26:16.960 I don't really, I don't think I really have a position on that.

06:26:19.100 I'm talking about two-parent household.

06:26:20.900 Let's see.

06:26:21.480 We have, we need to get back to Gracie.

06:26:25.320 We have more notes from Gracie.

06:26:28.620 Let's see.

06:26:31.340 She's ready.

06:26:31.980 I think the normalcy of cheating has made it so women in particular have very low standards, 1.00

06:26:36.700 because nowadays, everyone has a story about cheating that a man caring in the slightest

06:26:43.380 feels like, wait, what?

06:26:45.900 I can elaborate.

06:26:46.660 Everyone has a story about cheating that a man caring in the slightest feels like princess

06:26:49.820 treatment.

06:26:51.580 I think, I don't even think this is very much of a hot take.

06:26:54.460 It's just like, I think all of us can agree that we have either personally been cheated

06:26:59.800 on or know someone very closely who has been, and it's been really normalized that now that's

06:27:07.920 all really, that we have to compare relationships to is like, how shitty one guy has treated

06:27:13.080 either you or your friends in the past that you're like, oh, he like opened the door for

06:27:16.900 me.

06:27:17.040 This is amazing.

06:27:18.020 You know, it just has lowered standards in general, I think.

06:27:22.220 Yeah.

06:27:22.660 I'm not sure I buy into this.

06:27:24.000 So you're saying if a guy opens the door for you, that's like, whoa, okay.

06:27:29.260 Yeah. 1.00

06:27:29.420 I'm going to fuck him. 1.00

06:27:31.160 No, it's just shocking. 1.00

06:27:32.860 That's not what I say. 1.00

06:27:33.620 Bro, I ain't ever opened a door for a girl and she's like, want some pussy? 1.00

06:27:37.480 Oh my God. 1.00

06:27:38.080 I've never had a girl like, oh, that was so nice of you, Brian. 1.00

06:27:43.420 Let me throw you a pussy. 1.00

06:27:45.180 It's never happened. 1.00

06:27:45.980 I'm saying comparatively, when somebody treats you decently, it feels better because all you 0.92

06:27:54.160 have to compare it to is the idea that men treat women shitty.

06:27:59.320 Or is it the men that you go after, that you date, that you choose to be in relationships 0.99

06:28:05.160 with, that you choose to hook up with, they treat you shitty. 0.98

06:28:09.780 Yeah, it is that. 0.96

06:28:10.940 But I think that it's a lot more common.

06:28:12.700 Who's to blame?

06:28:14.140 I'm not saying that it's entirely like men's fault or anything.

06:28:17.320 I'm just saying as a topic of conversation, it is something to consider.

06:28:20.620 So why is there a trope of, and even women will admit this, they're attracted to bad boys, 1.00

06:28:26.820 they're attracted to jerks, they're attracted to assholes. 1.00

06:28:29.320 Is it any surprise that you get cheated on and mistreated by the same type of men that 1.00

06:28:34.260 you're intentionally pursuing?

06:28:36.200 That's not what I'm really trying to get at.

06:28:38.100 But that's the type of men you find attractive.

06:28:40.480 Sorry, most women find attractive. 1.00

06:28:42.940 I'm more so trying to get at the idea that given that commonly women do go for that, 0.70

06:28:50.560 and especially now I think that that has become more common, it also has made women's standards 0.98

06:28:57.100 for men lower because when we think about how our last relationship treated us, typically

06:29:05.440 we'll have horror stories from it, you know?

06:29:08.800 And then that'll automatically...

06:29:11.280 Horror stories.

06:29:11.920 Well, to be dramatic.

06:29:13.200 Horror stories.

06:29:14.040 To be dramatic, you know?

06:29:15.580 A guy you were in a not-and-again, off-again situationship, not really clear if you guys

06:29:21.620 are even dating, he was with another girl?

06:29:24.420 Like, that's your horror story?

06:29:25.640 I'm being dramatic when I say that, obviously.

06:29:27.040 Okay, all right.

06:29:28.300 But I'm just saying that overall, we have lowered our standards, I personally think.

06:29:32.880 I actually disagree.

06:29:33.700 I think women have inflated their standards and expectations on men. 0.99

06:29:40.340 Okay.

06:29:40.620 You're talking about, like, normal, like, normal girls?

06:29:43.400 Yeah.

06:29:43.920 Like, normal.

06:29:44.320 All girls. 0.60

06:29:45.180 Mine have always been...

06:29:46.520 No.

06:29:47.100 I literally always dated guys on my level.

06:29:49.240 The amount of money that I was making, if I made, like, 20K a year, I just always

06:29:52.420 ended up with guys that were literally making around the same amount.

06:29:54.960 I don't...

06:29:55.280 I've never went higher like I should have.

06:29:57.260 So, wait.

06:29:57.660 But, like, okay.

06:29:58.320 Who do you think is pickier, men or women?

06:30:00.540 Women. 0.81

06:30:01.000 Women. 0.81

06:30:01.580 Women. 0.81

06:30:02.160 Well, we have to be.

06:30:02.820 Women. 0.81

06:30:03.120 Women. 0.81

06:30:03.420 We have to trust that you're even going to be able to be a good father to our kids.

06:30:05.780 But so, like...

06:30:06.460 Et cetera.

06:30:07.840 Your standards can't...

06:30:09.120 Like, how are they low if you're so picky, too?

06:30:14.660 I think the standards are still really high.

06:30:17.940 They just accept bad behavior more.

06:30:19.860 Yeah.

06:30:20.640 That's a good way to put it.

06:30:22.560 Yeah.

06:30:23.400 You know?

06:30:23.980 No, but all of you...

06:30:25.140 Just curious.

06:30:25.640 Who here has ever friend-zoned a guy?

06:30:27.720 Can somebody translate to German, please?

06:30:34.480 Do you know friend-zone?

06:30:36.280 Yeah.

06:30:36.880 Of course.

06:30:37.600 Yeah.

06:30:38.020 Have you had a guy in the friend-zone?

06:30:40.300 Like, so...

06:30:40.780 Oh, yeah.

06:30:43.540 Right.

06:30:44.120 So, you women will have men who, if you wanted to... 1.00

06:30:49.140 Like, men don't often have, like, multiple women in the pocket that they could, like, go 0.82

06:30:55.120 to at any given time and just be like, I want a relationship with her right now.

06:31:01.160 And you think women do? 1.00

06:31:02.040 Sex, yeah, but nice. 0.97

06:31:02.760 Your friend-zone. 0.90

06:31:03.940 All the dudes in your friend-zone, if you go to them, I want commitment.

06:31:07.460 I want a relationship.

06:31:08.900 They'll give it to you.

06:31:09.860 But you don't have girls in the friend-zone, either?

06:31:11.520 Guys don't have girls in the friend-zone. 0.81

06:31:13.780 You think guys, just, like, average dudes, have, like, five chicks in the friend-zone that 1.00

06:31:18.940 want to fuck them and be in a relationship with them? 1.00

06:31:21.400 Well, I'm not saying I have, like, five guys just on my phone being like, oh, yeah, 1.00

06:31:24.900 we're in the friend-zone.

06:31:26.600 Like, you know what I mean?

06:31:27.540 Okay, all of you take out your phones right now.

06:31:29.700 I want you to text one of your male friends and be like, what's the best framing for this?

06:31:36.320 Hey, what do you think about being more than friends?

06:31:39.580 Or how do we typically do this?

06:31:41.400 I'll do it right now.

06:31:42.160 I'm not doing that.

06:31:43.340 Oh, yeah.

06:31:43.780 I did that last time.

06:31:44.500 I mean, he called me gay.

06:31:45.680 Oh, that's your, like, okay.

06:31:47.340 Yeah, exactly.

06:31:48.940 And he would say no.

06:31:49.800 Corey.

06:31:50.180 I would literally do that.

06:31:51.280 I'll do it right now.

06:31:52.120 Do you want me to?

06:31:52.540 I can call him, even, if you want.

06:31:53.760 No, we can't do call.

06:31:54.520 I can call, but you can tag.

06:31:55.800 Can I get my phone?

06:31:56.920 The way we put it was, have you ever thought of being one?

06:32:00.600 Oh, yeah, that's better.

06:32:01.840 Wait, hold on, wait.

06:32:02.480 There's a few clarifications here.

06:32:04.200 Does he know you're on the podcast?

06:32:06.960 Yes.

06:32:07.600 I mean, I posted all my story.

06:32:09.920 Okay, secondly, is he single?

06:32:12.180 Yes.

06:32:12.780 And is he straight?

06:32:13.760 Yes.

06:32:14.100 Because girls will do this to, like, dudes who have a girlfriend. 1.00

06:32:18.340 You got to do it to, like, a single male friend.

06:32:20.660 He's single and straight.

06:32:21.520 He's single.

06:32:22.240 Very single.

06:32:24.040 No hate.

06:32:24.940 No hate.

06:32:25.240 Okay.

06:32:25.540 I'll love.

06:32:26.080 Look, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

06:32:28.200 But what we, I actually, just for the sake of time, we can't really do it.

06:32:31.620 But we've had women who've done this on the show. 1.00

06:32:34.740 They text the guy, and the guy's like, I'm down.

06:32:37.260 Oh, that's so cute.

06:32:40.420 That's sad.

06:32:40.840 But you're saying that, like, you think that it's, like, and do you have girlfriends?

06:32:45.320 Like, girl space friends?

06:32:46.800 Like, you both aren't friends.

06:32:47.940 Yeah, you guys aren't friends?

06:32:48.960 We're co-workers.

06:32:49.980 Okay.

06:32:50.440 Yeah, strictly business.

06:32:51.420 I also have a boyfriend that knows.

06:32:53.120 Strictly business.

06:32:54.100 We work together.

06:32:54.340 Do you have girl space friends?

06:32:58.760 No.

06:32:59.620 I don't.

06:33:00.340 Honestly, I don't.

06:33:00.840 Yeah, but her boyfriend trusts her around you.

06:33:04.040 Like, her boyfriend trusts her around you.

06:33:06.000 He's my boss.

06:33:07.460 I know. 1.00

06:33:07.980 Yeah, but he's still got a penis. 1.00

06:33:09.640 What the fuck? 1.00

06:33:13.000 Okay, do you have guy friends? 1.00

06:33:17.280 Sure, yeah.

06:33:18.480 And do you think they're all attracted to you?

06:33:22.360 Probably.

06:33:22.880 Yeah, actually, yeah.

06:33:24.640 Your boyfriend allows that?

06:33:26.780 Well, my boyfriend is friends with them also, but.

06:33:29.500 My boyfriend is, like, this has the same stance.

06:33:32.580 He thinks that any guy in the friend zone would be with any girl if they could, but.

06:33:37.840 I'm pretty confident, like, even the guys who know she has a boyfriend, they might even

06:33:43.260 know the boyfriend.

06:33:44.860 They might know her boyfriend.

06:33:46.700 If Maddie was, like, down, they'd probably take it.

06:33:53.560 Sorry, Maddie.

06:33:55.960 They probably would.

06:33:57.040 Maybe, like, one, but, like.

06:33:58.220 Maybe not all of them.

06:34:00.480 I think they all.

06:34:01.120 But, like, there's probably, like, a dude who would.

06:34:04.120 And then if you broke up with Frankie, does that number change?

06:34:09.180 Probably.

06:34:09.580 They're, like, trying to hit.

06:34:11.560 Probably.

06:34:12.120 You're trying to hit.

06:34:13.460 They'd probably go for it.

06:34:15.300 No, I wouldn't, but, yeah.

06:34:17.240 Probably.

06:34:18.180 They would.

06:34:18.500 Anyways, I don't know how we got to the friends thing.

06:34:20.080 How did we get to the friends thing?

06:34:21.380 We were talking about what?

06:34:22.240 Like, your thing.

06:34:23.600 Oh, the cheating.

06:34:24.420 Expectations.

06:34:25.640 Standards.

06:34:26.480 The standards.

06:34:29.880 There's this thing called hoflation.

06:34:32.600 So, I actually think the reverse is going on.

06:34:34.680 So, like, the quality.

06:34:41.640 Do I get into the hoflation thing?

06:34:44.920 I forgot even how it goes.

06:34:47.240 It's, like, something like.

06:34:49.080 So, how does it go?

06:34:52.060 How does the hoflation go, guys?

06:34:53.680 I've totally forgot it.

06:34:54.740 I haven't argued this in, like, over a year.

06:34:57.040 What is it?

06:34:57.720 Nick, are you Googling hoflation?

06:34:59.560 Yep.

06:35:00.540 Hoflation.

06:35:01.040 Okay, let's look at hoflation.

06:35:03.940 The increase in price men have to pay for lower value women. 0.58

06:35:09.400 The men have to pay for? 0.72

06:35:10.740 Well, not literally, like, with money, but.

06:35:14.660 So, basically, like, women are bringing less to the table. 1.00

06:35:18.380 They're more promiscuous. 0.63

06:35:21.400 And their expectations of men are way higher. 0.54

06:35:26.460 It's true, bro.

06:35:27.440 I would agree to some of that, yeah.

06:35:29.160 I feel like your point, though, is not, though, that the expectations are higher, but it's

06:35:33.560 that we accept shittier treatment, right?

06:35:36.700 Or was it?

06:35:37.100 Oh, you're attracted to the guys who treat you shittily.

06:35:40.840 I'm not saying me.

06:35:41.960 I'm just saying, sure, in general.

06:35:44.340 I don't know.

06:35:45.240 I miss part of the conversation.

06:35:47.360 A lot of guys who, oh, you've never heard a girl say he's too nice.

06:35:53.620 I mean, yeah, I've said that.

06:35:54.520 He's good looking, good personality, treats me well.

06:35:57.920 But there just wasn't the click.

06:35:59.640 There wasn't the vibe.

06:36:00.760 There wasn't the chemistry.

06:36:01.920 You guys are looking for a guy who triggers your, like, anxious, like, something.

06:36:08.920 Like, you want a guy to kind of be, like, a little, I don't know, treat you a little poorly. 0.99

06:36:14.660 It's fucked up, bro. 0.99

06:36:15.640 So, we had a guy on the show who said something. 1.00

06:36:18.500 I don't co-sign this, but he says, if you treat them like dirt, they stick to you like mud.

06:36:25.760 Oh, God.

06:36:27.460 I don't co-sign that, but that's what he said.

06:36:30.140 Oh, God.

06:36:31.640 Wow.

06:36:33.260 Don't co-sign.

06:36:34.380 Disavow.

06:36:35.580 Disavow.

06:36:36.700 But, what, you guys never heard about this?

06:36:39.780 The knife?

06:36:40.260 Hoflation? 0.74

06:36:41.080 No, the whole, uh...

06:36:42.040 The nice guy thing?

06:36:44.300 Huh?

06:36:44.580 The nice guy thing?

06:36:45.980 Like, the nice guy thing?

06:36:47.960 Um, look, I just think this whole, like, I don't know, the whole, like, click thing,

06:36:54.280 it basically boils down to he doesn't trigger your anxious trauma response.

06:36:59.540 Right.

06:36:59.700 Which you confuse for love.

06:37:01.120 Right.

06:37:02.800 Boom-roasted.

06:37:03.680 That was really good.

06:37:04.700 Boom-roasted, yeah. 1.00

06:37:05.820 That was some good shit. 1.00

06:37:06.820 Good shit. 1.00

06:37:07.480 Yeah. 1.00

06:37:08.460 I don't know, did you have more thoughts on that?

06:37:09.920 You think the standards, like, are way too low for the dudes?

06:37:13.120 Not really.

06:37:13.580 I think that was a good discussion on it.

06:37:15.500 I don't have anything to add.

06:37:16.520 Come on, you can give a little pushback.

06:37:18.560 Go ahead.

06:37:20.260 I mean, honestly, I'm here to hear other people's point of view, so I really don't have anything.

06:37:24.580 All right.

06:37:25.880 That's valid, I guess.

06:37:27.980 I just, I don't know, like, what are the standards, though?

06:37:30.740 Like, the standards are so low.

06:37:32.180 I'm just trying to hear, like, what the standards are.

06:37:34.860 The low standards.

06:37:35.560 I mean, not responding quickly, I guess.

06:37:44.320 That's just an example that came to mind.

06:37:46.740 What's wrong with that?

06:37:48.620 Just not, like, showing general interest as much.

06:37:50.920 Um, so if a guy doesn't respond to you within three hours, it's...

06:37:56.220 No, I think three hours, that's, like, fine.

06:37:58.100 But I'm saying, like...

06:38:01.520 Maybe he's busy.

06:38:02.780 Yeah, maybe he is.

06:38:04.160 But also, I'm busy, too.

06:38:06.560 Like, people are busy.

06:38:09.100 No, like, multiple days, like, a week.

06:38:11.940 Like, then I think that's just kind of, like...

06:38:14.000 I would say, if you're dating a guy and you don't hear from him at all for a whole day, that's a problem.

06:38:18.560 A whole day.

06:38:19.560 You don't even tell me, oh, um, hey, I just want to let you know I'm thinking about you, but I won't be able to get back to you today.

06:38:26.060 I mean, if you at least say that.

06:38:27.700 Like, a whole day and you're actually actively dating that person, that's a problem.

06:38:32.820 Word.

06:38:34.580 Word.

06:38:36.020 Hold on, guys.

06:38:36.680 Maddie, can you ask the VC question?

06:38:40.440 And then, uh...

06:38:41.800 You want me to ask me the two questions?

06:38:44.620 Yeah, sure.

06:38:45.660 I'm gonna...

06:38:46.260 We're gonna go into a row section, and then we're gonna wrap the show here pretty soon.

06:38:49.280 Guys, I'm gonna lower the TTS trigger here, and then we're gonna wrap here pretty soon.

06:38:55.660 TTS should be at 30 now, FYI.

06:38:58.460 Then we're gonna wrap the show.

06:39:00.380 Go ahead, Maddie.

06:39:01.340 Does body count matter to you?

06:39:04.720 Let's go.

06:39:06.680 Starting with you going around, I guess.

06:39:09.640 Do you mean by a guy for me?

06:39:12.300 Body count.

06:39:13.280 Yeah, I know, but...

06:39:15.540 Okay, hold on.

06:39:16.500 So, do you think it's insecure for men to care about a woman's body count?

06:39:24.020 No, I don't think so.

06:39:25.620 Okay.

06:39:25.800 Um, I mean, yeah.

06:39:29.260 I feel like if you don't know, like, especially if you don't know her, like, prior, like, who she was with, like, it doesn't really matter.

06:39:36.760 Like, she has life experience. 1.00

06:39:39.120 Like, she does shit. 1.00

06:39:40.380 Mm-hmm. 1.00

06:39:40.820 You know?

06:39:41.520 Mm-hmm.

06:39:41.680 Why be insecure about that?

06:39:43.420 Okay.

06:39:45.900 Um, I don't...

06:39:47.560 I think that he can care about it.

06:39:49.300 I think it's normal, too.

06:39:50.100 I think it would be normal for anyone to be curious about who their partner's been with and what kind of life they've led before them.

06:39:55.960 Mm-hmm.

06:39:56.900 Okay.

06:39:58.060 That's the same thing, yeah.

06:39:59.580 Yeah, I agree with Rihanna.

06:40:00.920 Like, it matters to an extent.

06:40:02.040 Yeah, I think body count matters for a woman, too, yeah. 1.00

06:40:08.300 Well, I mean, so, really quick clarifying question, though.

06:40:11.820 Would you object to a man refusing to date a woman because he deems her body count as too high?

06:40:17.040 Do you think that's wrong?

06:40:18.040 You don't think that's an appropriate metric to disqualify somebody on, or...?

06:40:22.180 I think it's fine.

06:40:22.940 I think it's up to them to determine, yeah.

06:40:24.900 Yeah.

06:40:25.120 It's a preference, I mean.

06:40:26.580 It's the same thing, like, me saying I have a height preference.

06:40:28.680 I don't think it's, like...

06:40:29.940 Mm-hmm.

06:40:30.260 No, yeah.

06:40:31.100 Go ahead, Maddie.

06:40:32.200 What's everybody's body count?

06:40:34.400 Starting with you.

06:40:35.340 One.

06:40:37.260 Like, 20-something, probably?

06:40:41.220 I don't know.

06:40:41.560 I don't have a ledger.

06:40:42.240 I don't really count.

06:40:43.360 Mm-hmm.

06:40:44.660 Mine's nine.

06:40:46.580 One.

06:40:47.420 I'm not going to share that.

06:40:49.060 Four.

06:40:50.780 I've shared mine a million times.

06:40:54.000 Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.

06:40:57.060 No, mine really is just one, yeah.

06:40:59.320 Mine really is just nine.

06:40:59.960 Wait, but you said body count does matter, or it doesn't matter?

06:41:05.220 I think it does, like, to an extent, it does.

06:41:07.880 I see.

06:41:08.480 Okay.

06:41:09.300 Go ahead, Maddie.

06:41:09.860 Ask the other BC question.

06:41:12.880 What other BC?

06:41:13.420 Birth control?

06:41:14.480 Oh.

06:41:15.040 Is anyone on birth control?

06:41:16.760 I'm not even having sex.

06:41:17.760 Even be on it.

06:41:18.320 I have an IUD, but it's for, like, health concerns.

06:41:21.320 Like, non-hormonal?

06:41:22.300 Yeah.

06:41:22.800 Non-hormonal.

06:41:25.080 No, I'm not.

06:41:26.940 And I'm also having sex.

06:41:27.300 Or have you guys ever been on it? 0.95

06:41:28.500 Yeah.

06:41:28.660 Jive Anik donated $30.

06:41:31.220 This stream completely changed my conceptions of women. 1.00

06:41:35.080 Entire panel was a W, including two 18-year-olds. 0.75

06:41:39.720 Only Elle was red-headed Paul Blah, predator.

06:41:42.040 Jesus, what does that even mean? 0.91

06:41:44.560 Oh, my gosh.

06:41:45.260 Okay.

06:41:47.820 Wait.

06:41:48.560 Wait, so, like, have you ever been on it?

06:41:50.820 Yeah.

06:41:51.380 Yeah.

06:41:51.720 When I was in a relationship, you had an IUD.

06:41:53.480 I was on it.

06:41:53.900 Which way are we going?

06:41:54.840 Are we starting with it?

06:41:55.400 We started.

06:41:55.940 Oh, okay.

06:41:56.380 Gotcha.

06:41:56.860 Both relationships I was in, I was on it.

06:41:59.240 I was on it for four days because of my PCOS, and it fucked up my body, so I stopped going 0.99

06:42:04.200 on it, and I really don't love it, or the idea of it in women, because I think it fucks 1.00

06:42:09.140 up your hormones.

06:42:10.120 Yeah.

06:42:10.520 Over time, it does.

06:42:11.480 Over time, it does.

06:42:12.300 Like, being on it for a long period of time.

06:42:14.000 Yeah.

06:42:14.580 Yeah.

06:42:15.560 Yeah, it does.

06:42:16.420 Yeah, I had the same issue when I was on it when I was younger.

06:42:19.020 It was, like, to try and regulate my period, and then I ended up having, like, hair loss,

06:42:22.280 weight gain, a whole bunch of things.

06:42:23.240 Oh, wow.

06:42:23.340 So, then I'm not on it, yeah.

06:42:25.080 Haven't been on it.

06:42:26.000 And then also just learning about it.

06:42:27.980 It's, like, very unhealthy for the human body, and not natural, so.

06:42:31.520 Yeah, I was on it for five years, from, like, 17 to, like, 22, around that, and I got off

06:42:37.180 of it, and, like, again, like, it just fucks your hormones up. 0.75

06:42:40.020 I do not recommend.

06:42:44.300 What was the question?

06:42:46.160 Or are you on birth control, or have you ever been on it?

06:42:49.440 No.

06:42:49.700 No.

06:42:52.340 What other questions do you have, Madison?

06:42:53.960 Would you want a girl to be on birth control? 1.00

06:42:59.320 Would I?

06:43:00.140 Yeah.

06:43:00.840 Would you care?

06:43:02.560 I mean, to be safe, it's probably a good idea, but there's non-hormonal options, like copper IUD, 0.98

06:43:09.240 that don't, I mean, there are some side, there's certainly side effects to it, but it doesn't, like, fuck her hormones. 0.99

06:43:14.820 Um, so. 0.99

06:43:17.980 What are the side effects to those?

06:43:20.040 Of a copper IUD?

06:43:21.260 Yeah.

06:43:21.680 I mean, there can be increased bleeding, spotting, et cetera.

06:43:25.200 Pain sometimes, but, um, I suppose that's better than getting pregnant, you know? 1.00

06:43:30.940 Yeah.

06:43:31.580 That's probably preferable.

06:43:34.320 But, well, how about, actually, I don't know.

06:43:36.500 Unless you want kids.

06:43:36.980 What's that, Maddie?

06:43:38.060 Oh, never mind.

06:43:38.960 Wait, what?

06:43:39.360 I was going to say, unless you want kids, but I guess it's, if you're going to sleep with a girl early on, 0.98

06:43:44.500 you're not going to want kids right away, so that makes sense.

06:43:46.440 Yeah.

06:43:46.880 Let's go around the table on this question.

06:43:49.380 Who do you think is the primary, oh, my God.

06:43:51.820 Who do you think is the primary victim of war, men or women?

06:43:54.600 Somebody in the chat asked me to ask that.

06:43:56.660 It wasn't my idea.

06:43:58.700 They forced me to.

06:43:59.740 Primary victim of war, men or women.

06:44:03.380 I don't know.

06:44:04.080 Um.

06:44:07.920 I have to think.

06:44:09.360 Okay, we'll skip.

06:44:16.980 Go ahead.

06:44:17.380 I think both.

06:44:18.260 I think they're equally primary victims.

06:44:21.220 Well, you have to choose one.

06:44:24.660 I don't, I'm not going to take a stance.

06:44:26.400 I, I, yeah.

06:44:27.040 What about, like, okay, really quick, the Ukraine war.

06:44:29.660 What do you think about for the Ukraine war?

06:44:32.160 Um, I think both.

06:44:33.880 I think they're both victims of war.

06:44:35.580 All right.

06:44:36.860 Um, men.

06:44:37.700 Okay.

06:44:38.600 Men.

06:44:39.360 I'd say men.

06:44:40.700 Men, because they're getting blown up.

06:44:42.560 I think men also.

06:44:43.820 Really quick for you.

06:44:45.200 Um, so I guess really quick.

06:44:46.440 I, I'm, we won't linger on this one.

06:44:47.960 Um, by the way, guys, the TTS is 30, if you want to get your final messages in before

06:44:53.240 we wrap up here.

06:44:54.980 So, um.

06:44:59.880 What was I going to say?

06:45:00.840 Uh.

06:45:02.300 Oh.

06:45:03.100 So, I guess, like, what, why?

06:45:05.960 Why?

06:45:06.340 Like, why do you think they're both the primary victim?

06:45:09.280 Um, because they're both being affected negatively by war?

06:45:15.000 Like, it doesn't, like.

06:45:16.080 Tarek donated $30. 0.99

06:45:18.140 Damn. 1.00

06:45:18.660 I bet the redhead has a hairy butthole. 1.00

06:45:20.740 What the fuck? 1.00

06:45:21.580 Jesus lord. 1.00

06:45:23.220 You want to find out?

06:45:24.700 Ha ha.

06:45:25.140 Whoa.

06:45:25.500 Um, yeah, I think they're both primarily affected.

06:45:29.160 I mean, they're.

06:45:31.280 Valdev donated $30.

06:45:33.460 Caught up on the day episode.

06:45:35.860 Hats up to you, man, for unironically and unintentionally making a perfect documentary

06:45:40.500 of what men are trying to avoid in this modern dating hellscape.

06:45:44.660 Love White Top.

06:45:46.600 Which one?

06:45:47.340 Oh, she was.

06:45:48.360 Oh.

06:45:49.820 Is Valdev the one who always sends a TTS in when the person's, like, up from the, uh,

06:45:54.400 table or whatever.

06:45:56.800 Uh, okay.

06:45:57.740 Thank you, Valdev.

06:45:58.580 Appreciate it.

06:45:59.100 I'm going to pause that temporarily just so we can get through it.

06:46:01.100 But if you guys want, uh, TTS will be paused just temporarily to get through a couple things

06:46:05.140 and then we'll let them come in and then we'll wrap the show.

06:46:07.260 So, uh, okay.

06:46:08.800 Really quick.

06:46:09.720 Uh, so negative impacts on both men and women.

06:46:12.320 I actually agree.

06:46:13.240 There are negative impacts to war for both men, women, children, et cetera.

06:46:16.740 But is, you know, maybe worse for one gender over the other?

06:46:23.300 Um.

06:46:24.400 I mean, no, I'm still going to stand on both.

06:46:27.500 I think that both are negatively affected.

06:46:30.180 I mean, yeah, men are getting blown up.

06:46:32.400 But, I mean, women have to deal with, like, if they are relying on a man, they have to 1.00

06:46:37.360 deal with not having the man in the house, um, to help them.

06:46:41.240 I don't know.

06:46:41.540 Yeah, so can I ask you a question on this?

06:46:43.180 So, um, who's the, I guess, when it comes, so you're talking about suffering kind of,

06:46:48.820 right?

06:46:49.360 Men suffer, women suffer. 1.00

06:46:50.620 Does, uh, when a woman gets pregnant and goes through pregnancy, childbirth, uh, is

06:46:59.840 the woman the primary sufferer or is the man, like the husband?

06:47:04.260 The woman.

06:47:04.900 Because it's really hard for me to see my, my wife or girlfriend.

06:47:09.180 It's hard for me to see her in pain.

06:47:11.760 And she, you know, she's going to squeeze my hand really tight when she's going through

06:47:16.280 labor.

06:47:16.820 And she might give me a bit of a carpal, ah, my hands, you know, she squeezed my hand 0.99

06:47:21.360 really tight.

06:47:22.020 I don't have the biggest hands, whatever.

06:47:24.120 That's not the same concept though.

06:47:25.500 I mean, like the woman and the children are being negatively affected and you also have

06:47:29.460 like.

06:47:29.980 I'm being negatively affected by you going through the pregnancy.

06:47:34.360 Hmm.

06:47:34.760 I mean, he can't do much about it.

06:47:37.040 He just has to sit there and watch.

06:47:38.580 Yeah.

06:47:39.140 Fair enough.

06:47:39.960 But.

06:47:40.680 Cause when you say that the majority of the people fighting are men.

06:47:43.740 Sure.

06:47:44.360 So then.

06:47:44.720 But they're like primary.

06:47:46.440 But isn't that your role as a man to protect, to fight?

06:47:49.260 So why are you complaining about it?

06:47:50.380 So they're putting their lives literally on the line.

06:47:51.980 Then you can do it.

06:47:53.100 They should.

06:47:54.540 You're not complaining though.

06:47:55.600 They're just asking do men.

06:47:57.020 So let me ask you this then.

06:47:59.240 So typically when it comes to war, now there will be ramifications, but let's say that you,

06:48:05.460 you're 19.

06:48:08.180 Well, let me think here.

06:48:09.640 World War II.

06:48:11.720 So if we're looking at this from the perspective of the United States.

06:48:17.580 So we went to Europe and we went to the Pacific theater in World War II.

06:48:23.120 Were we involved in the Africa theater at all?

06:48:26.080 Well, anyways, that's besides the point.

06:48:28.380 Aside from Pearl Harbor, there was not really any military action geographically in the United

06:48:35.320 States.

06:48:36.380 Actually, funnily enough, the Japanese like here locally in Santa Barbara, they like bombed 1.00

06:48:40.760 an oil derrick or something like whatever.

06:48:43.480 That's besides the point though.

06:48:45.700 We were fighting in other countries and those were primarily the men.

06:48:49.520 Now the women, they lost their husbands or brothers or sons, whatever. 1.00

06:48:54.000 Hard for them, right?

06:48:54.780 But like in this instance where, because for example, you could, you can make a stronger

06:49:00.860 argument if, well, if they're fighting on your turf and the women are also like civilian 1.00

06:49:06.160 casualties.

06:49:06.980 Well, that's what I was going to say after that.

06:49:08.740 I mean.

06:49:09.480 But so if we're looking at, for example, when it came to the U.S. involvement in World War

06:49:13.780 II, who would you say was the primary victim of war among United States citizens for World

06:49:21.280 War II?

06:49:21.780 I mean, there wasn't, I mean, other than Pearl Harbor, there wasn't anything going on

06:49:26.240 on American soil.

06:49:27.240 So I mean, primarily when you're talking about the physicality of it, sure, men were the

06:49:31.480 primary victims.

06:49:32.600 Okay.

06:49:33.280 Now, if we then.

06:49:34.260 Now, so let's even bring this though and apply it to your woman and you live in a country 0.98

06:49:41.900 that's being invaded, right?

06:49:43.600 So there is a chance there for you to be, especially if you're close to the front, there's a chance

06:49:48.220 there for you to be bombed or you said there's civilian casualties, civilian casualties do make

06:49:54.400 up, both men and women.

06:49:56.460 But if we look at the Ukraine war, for example, so all the Ukrainian men had to stay in the

06:50:02.540 country.

06:50:03.320 They couldn't, whereas women were allowed to flee. 1.00

06:50:06.340 So if you're a Ukrainian woman, you can just pass into a different country. 0.84

06:50:11.360 You're going to end up in Austria.

06:50:13.420 You're going to end up in Germany. 0.96

06:50:14.400 You're going to end up in London, Stockholm, wherever.

06:50:19.020 All the women could leave. 1.00

06:50:20.420 All the men had to stay.

06:50:21.740 Some of those men were drafted into military service.

06:50:25.840 Not sure the exact numbers, as far as how many of those drafted men died.

06:50:31.720 If that was sort of the general thing that occurred in war, so men had to stay in fight,

06:50:38.000 women were able to retreat and flee, would that not be? 1.00

06:50:42.820 I mean, sure.

06:50:44.160 I mean, if you, again, if you're talking about like in the physical sense of being a victim,

06:50:48.700 yeah, obviously.

06:50:49.620 But, I mean, I'm sure there's still women affected by it, like physically.

06:50:54.260 I mean, you also have the issue of like your whole entire life being derailed and you don't

06:51:00.040 know like the circumstances.

06:51:01.420 Can she come back for a bit?

06:51:02.320 We're going to wrap in like 10 minutes.

06:51:04.000 Can she just?

06:51:05.360 It's kind of urgent.

06:51:06.400 Like we have to get home.

06:51:07.240 I'm...

06:51:07.720 Can you just finish up the show?

06:51:10.020 We're going to wrap in like 10, 20 minutes.

06:51:12.760 It really is urgent.

06:51:15.020 What's urgent?

06:51:16.800 I...

06:51:17.160 We just have to be calm too.

06:51:18.840 Like it's...

06:51:19.460 Our parents are getting stressed out.

06:51:21.900 They're getting...

06:51:22.900 I also have to get home because I have class tomorrow, but...

06:51:26.820 Right, but 10...

06:51:27.880 You guys can't spare 10, 20 minutes?

06:51:29.400 I don't think that's a big ask here.

06:51:30.660 It's just not something that's in the cards.

06:51:34.380 I'm sorry.

06:51:35.100 We have to go.

06:51:35.920 20 minutes is also much longer for me.

06:51:39.400 Okay.

06:51:40.340 Now?

06:51:41.280 I mean...

06:51:42.360 You got...

06:51:42.960 I mean, there's still like notes and we got to let the messages come through, but you

06:51:48.780 can't even stay for 10 minutes?

06:51:53.840 I'm sorry.

06:51:54.580 We have to go.

06:51:55.860 Yeah.

06:51:56.380 Yeah.

06:51:56.900 There's an emergency.

06:51:58.200 I mean, I don't have my phone or anything.

06:52:00.740 What's the emergency?

06:52:01.820 Just curious.

06:52:03.020 What's the urgent?

06:52:03.680 Because our parents just really want us home.

06:52:07.920 For...

06:52:08.680 For real time.

06:52:11.120 I mean, we have to drive back for two hours.

06:52:13.460 Yeah.

06:52:13.820 No, you can...

06:52:14.400 Look, you're free to leave.

06:52:15.380 I'm just...

06:52:15.820 Sorry.

06:52:16.220 Thank you so much.

06:52:20.540 What do you think?

06:52:21.280 All right.

06:52:21.440 I'm just going to let the chats go in.

06:52:22.960 Mike Mafia donated $30.

06:52:25.240 Is the redhead even real? 1.00

06:52:27.200 Talking about birth control.

06:52:28.900 Make sure she gets back on it.

06:52:31.480 Maybe you should go on birth control. 1.00

06:52:37.020 Mike, thank you.

06:52:37.980 30 donated $30.69.

06:52:41.460 Question to all the girls on the panel, Israel or Palestine and why?

06:52:46.440 You woo 69 69.

06:52:51.480 Okay.

06:52:52.260 Thank you.

06:52:53.000 Josh donated $30.

06:52:54.540 Of course, the Austrian doesn't know about war victims.

06:52:59.040 Wonder what her grandfather or great-grandfather was doing from 1933 to 1945.

06:53:07.660 Ed Gergens donated $29.99.

06:53:11.300 No. 1.00

06:53:12.440 Boss, my ass, Maddie. 1.00

06:53:14.020 You guys gotta leave. 1.00

06:53:14.780 We all know this is your operation.

06:53:16.160 Hey, Desmond, can you have them go?

06:53:16.720 You're a CCP spy trying to sow discord in the West and undermine Western woman, worsening our reproduction. 0.83

06:53:23.800 Nice try.

06:53:24.720 Sorry, I was not listening.

06:53:26.060 Church underscore of underscore Scientology donated $30.

06:53:29.460 If a man gets blown up, the woman will be sad and hurt and find a new man.

06:53:35.840 But that man cannot move on with his life and be unblown up.

06:53:39.000 Can we leave?

06:53:39.660 Oh, my God.

06:53:41.120 Rob underscore be donated $30.

06:53:43.520 Thank you, guys.

06:53:44.100 Austria, 8.5.

06:53:45.540 Redhead, 5.1.

06:53:47.200 Adventure chick, 7.2.

06:53:49.000 Blonde, 8.3.

06:53:50.280 Brunette, 7.5.

06:53:51.880 African queen, 7.9.

06:53:53.740 Maddie, 10.0.

06:53:55.260 Brian, 69.0.

06:53:56.460 All right.

06:53:58.180 Thank you, man.

06:53:59.140 Billion donated $30.

06:54:01.540 Miss Piggy, if it's men's role to protect women, then it's women's role to have our children. 1.00

06:54:07.120 Two can play at this game.

06:54:11.260 Okay.

06:54:13.980 Squadown donated $29.99.

06:54:18.220 You said isn't that the man's role?

06:54:20.960 Why would he complain about it?

06:54:23.120 Isn't your role to have children?

06:54:24.680 Why are you complaining about it?

06:54:28.520 That's the role that they want.

06:54:31.960 Walking Roscoe underscore on underscore YouTube donated $33.33.

06:54:38.480 Good morning from Germany from a retired Iraq war vet.

06:54:43.380 Grateful to be alive today by the grace of God.

06:54:46.660 Brian, you and Andrew Rock.

06:54:49.060 May Christ save you all.

06:54:50.820 Ladies, name three branches of U.S. government. 1.00

06:54:56.980 Anybody?

06:54:57.900 Three branches.

06:54:58.980 Legislative, judicial, executive.

06:55:01.300 Boom.

06:55:02.420 Kayshon came in with a clutch. 1.00

06:55:04.500 Fucking clutch answer there. 1.00

06:55:05.920 And I'm black. 1.00

06:55:06.780 Wait, what does that have to do?

06:55:08.640 What does that have to do with anything?

06:55:11.680 Okay.

06:55:12.340 All right.

06:55:13.860 Appreciate it, walking Roscoe.

06:55:15.800 Thank you, guys.

06:55:16.580 Let me see if there's anything else here before we wrap up the show.

06:55:20.340 We'll get a Twitch raid going.

06:55:22.840 One sec, guys.

06:55:23.980 I think I should have freed the chat if you guys wanted to.

06:55:28.500 Urgent.

06:55:28.980 We must urgently, urgent get home.

06:55:31.540 Old man Marine donated $30.

06:55:34.020 What of the single men in a war?

06:55:36.280 What women in their lives are really being affected? 1.00

06:55:39.420 I would like you to look a wounded soldier in the eye and tell them that you're a victim

06:55:43.660 of war as much as them.

06:55:46.600 Okay.

06:55:47.140 I probably would.

06:55:48.140 Oh, don't do that.

06:55:50.480 Don't do that.

06:55:52.080 Okay.

06:55:53.480 I'm not sure what that was about.

06:55:54.660 Let me see about, let me just check who we're going to read.

06:55:56.920 You don't want to disrespect the vets.

06:55:58.460 I mean, I don't, but they actually get hurt.

06:56:02.360 Oh, we didn't even do, okay, we have to do Lucia.

06:56:05.620 Lucia.

06:56:06.620 We didn't do all your notes, Lucia.

06:56:07.860 So we'll do those, then we'll wrap the show.

06:56:11.300 You said your ex-boyfriend had another girlfriend without you knowing for eight months.

06:56:16.700 Jai Vanek donated $30.

06:56:18.540 Let the Austrian chick go home. 1.00

06:56:20.900 She did nothing wrong.

06:56:21.920 We're going to wrap up.

06:56:22.960 We're wrapping up here in like five minutes.

06:56:26.460 Really quick here, thing.

06:56:27.620 Here, I'll pause the messages so you can get through it.

06:56:29.900 Yeah, he, I was 20 years old.

06:56:31.940 He was 24.

06:56:34.700 He was dating a whole other girl.

06:56:36.800 But the funny thing, this is back when Instagram, like you could see who like was liking stuff

06:56:40.820 and whatnot.

06:56:41.660 And he was liking all like these girls' pictures, not hers.

06:56:44.280 So I thought it was another girl.

06:56:45.640 I had no idea.

06:56:46.440 I had a hunch.

06:56:46.980 And then she like reached out to me.

06:56:50.960 She explained her story.

06:56:52.360 Like we became friends.

06:56:53.440 And she told me all these lies that he said about me.

06:56:56.920 And, you know, then he tried to like, you know, like I think hurt her like physically. 1.00

06:57:01.820 So yeah, he was a piece of shit. 1.00

06:57:04.780 And she and I are cool. 1.00

06:57:05.960 She actually just reached out to me pretty recently.

06:57:07.940 Oh, wow. 0.97

06:57:08.640 You said, um, why, why ugly men have high standards for women? 0.99

06:57:14.160 Yeah, I think it's very strange. 0.95

06:57:16.460 Like it's always the fugliest men have the most to say, in my opinion.

06:57:23.400 And you're, you're still a 10, right?

06:57:25.280 Just absolutely checking on that.

06:57:27.180 Yeah.

06:57:27.420 Well, like, but who are you to appraise men of how they look?

06:57:30.680 What if they think they're a 10?

06:57:31.880 Well, again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

06:57:33.920 I mean, what I might think is a 10, someone might think is, you know, a five.

06:57:39.140 But like maybe these men who you think are ugly, like actually a lot of women, a lot of

06:57:44.280 women think they're 10s. 1.00

06:57:46.080 Okay.

06:57:46.500 And so wouldn't it be fair for them to have high standards?

06:57:49.440 No.

06:57:50.000 Also, what's wrong with having high standards if like, even if you're not attractive?

06:57:54.040 I mean, I just think like you need to take a like good hard look in the mirror and be

06:57:58.640 like, all right, I'm a fugly man and I shouldn't have such high standards.

06:58:06.700 That's my take.

06:58:08.220 Should, should fugly women also think that way? 1.00

06:58:11.860 I don't think women are fugly. 1.00

06:58:15.680 I think somewhere.

06:58:17.920 There's no, so there's fugly men, but not fugly women. 0.88

06:58:20.940 Absolutely.

06:58:22.500 Yeah.

06:58:23.100 Okay.

06:58:23.800 Interesting how that, that works.

06:58:25.500 So all, are all women 10s? 0.90

06:58:27.580 Sure.

06:58:27.900 Yeah.

06:58:28.460 Are all men 10s? 0.62

06:58:29.680 No.

06:58:32.320 Interesting how that works.

06:58:36.820 Not even really.

06:58:38.960 It's fine.

06:58:40.500 Yeah.

06:58:43.020 It's okay.

06:58:43.860 I mean, it pretty much just plays into the arguments I made during the 10 segment, but

06:58:47.800 you said that you disagree with a lot of things about the show, but usually the pick me culture

06:58:53.440 that gets encouraged on the show.

06:58:54.880 Yeah.

06:58:55.440 I just think like, if you agree with whatever, obviously you or like, um, your other male

06:59:03.480 ho or co-host, I don't know.

06:59:06.060 Um, I think that you get a cookie.

06:59:09.300 Like, it's like, okay, you're automatically liked, you know what I mean?

06:59:13.940 Or you probably don't know what I mean, but.

06:59:17.620 Well, I mean, I invite, I actually give, uh, when it comes to booking people for the show,

06:59:22.580 people who disagree actually get a preferential, uh, treatment when it comes to slots and booking

06:59:28.300 on the show.

06:59:29.280 So I'm actually very open to having my views challenged.

06:59:32.480 In fact, one of the first questions I think we asked was who has disagreements.

06:59:36.860 Let's dive into it.

06:59:38.300 But so, um, obviously, isn't that just human nature?

06:59:43.960 Uh, yeah, cool.

06:59:45.660 You agree with me.

06:59:46.600 Oh, you disagree with me.

06:59:48.120 Isn't that just like.

06:59:49.120 I mean, yeah, but I think too, it's like, uh, some of the values that some women have, 1.00

06:59:55.240 like, it kind of contradicts like what it means to be a woman.

06:59:59.860 Like, there's a lot that goes into like femininity. 1.00

07:00:03.120 And I don't think that like some women respect themselves enough to like truly stand up for 0.92

07:00:08.320 like objectively what is right, which is, I guess, subjective to some people.

07:00:14.320 So what is that?

07:00:16.100 I mean, that's a lot to delve into.

07:00:17.860 Well, I mean, honestly, like I'm over this conversation.

07:00:20.560 You're over the conversation.

07:00:22.900 I mean, it's, um, like we've.

07:00:25.080 It's okay.

07:00:25.440 You can leave.

07:00:26.000 Okay, fine.

07:00:26.920 You can leave.

07:00:27.600 I'll let you leave early then.

07:00:29.780 I also.

07:00:30.660 Yeah, just hang tight.

07:00:31.440 You get to stay.

07:00:32.080 We're going to wrap the show.

07:00:32.840 I just, she gets the kick out right before the show.

07:00:35.880 Oh, hold on.

07:00:36.740 Because I have class tomorrow.

07:00:38.040 No, just.

07:00:45.200 Farmed.

07:00:46.920 Peace out.

07:00:47.640 Peace out.

07:00:48.240 You too, homie.

07:00:49.800 Cool.

07:00:50.520 Okay.

07:00:50.860 Let me let the chats come in and then we're wrapping the show.

07:00:53.280 So, this is how the.

07:00:55.440 Old man Marine donated $30.

07:00:58.300 Hi, Kay.

07:00:59.380 How are you?

07:01:00.560 Can I take you on a date?

07:01:02.480 I would move back to SD for you.

07:01:04.880 You're beautiful and based.

07:01:06.820 Much love.

07:01:07.840 Light brown skin.

07:01:09.180 Light brown skin.

07:01:10.460 Light brown skin.

07:01:11.920 Kissing face.

07:01:13.100 Kissing face.

07:01:14.240 Kissing face.

07:01:15.260 Why did it take light brown skin? 0.84

07:01:15.880 Redhead. 1.00

07:01:16.380 You're the devil. 1.00

07:01:17.160 And not. 0.99

07:01:18.640 Harsh.

07:01:19.160 She donated $30.

07:01:20.760 Oh, she can hear it.

07:01:22.040 Orn Kark is so delulu. 0.70

07:01:23.460 You're a 10 if the scale is out of 1,000.

07:01:26.580 Speaking of scales.

07:01:29.780 Wow.

07:01:31.560 All right.

07:01:33.720 David Tuzetziak donated $30.

07:01:36.880 This is not my opinion.

07:01:38.780 I respect everyone that debates.

07:01:41.420 My buddy, who is a vet from Afghanistan, says I can't take advice from these women. 1.00

07:01:46.500 But I do personally respect people's opinions.

07:01:50.200 Respect. 0.99

07:01:53.520 Damn, bro. 1.00

07:01:54.160 It's hard to put some shoes on, eh? 1.00

07:01:55.420 Shit. 1.00

07:01:56.200 All right. 0.99

07:01:56.540 We're going to do a raid, guys.

07:01:58.120 We're going to raid somebody.

07:01:59.440 Who are we going to raid?

07:02:00.820 Over there on Twitch.

07:02:02.400 Let me see who we have.

07:02:06.640 Bro.

07:02:07.360 Okay.

07:02:07.820 Here's the.

07:02:08.300 Yo, you're.

07:02:08.920 Look.

07:02:09.640 I'm trying to be nice.

07:02:10.360 You're 18.

07:02:11.320 Have you ever gone down to a party?

07:02:12.920 Don't.

07:02:13.160 Don't Austrians go out to the club till like 4 a.m.?

07:02:16.260 Sure.

07:02:16.820 Bro, you can wait two minutes.

07:02:18.540 It's cool.

07:02:19.600 It's fun.

07:02:20.600 Bro, these 18-year-olds.

07:02:21.460 Oh, it's 11.50.

07:02:24.460 11.50. 0.96

07:02:25.500 I mean, y'all party until like 3 in the morning getting fucking drunk and cross-faded. 0.97

07:02:30.700 You can't sit in a high-rise apartment and just let me, like, be respectful. 0.98

07:02:35.780 Let me wrap the show.

07:02:36.600 Mr. Aconite donated $30.

07:02:38.700 Thank you, everyone, for staying through the whole show.

07:02:41.840 Thank you, Brian Slash staff, for putting on the great show as always.

07:02:46.540 Maddie remains the most ideal woman in the room, though.

07:02:50.360 Much love.

07:02:51.060 All right.

07:02:53.380 Thank you, man.

07:02:53.960 Appreciate it.

07:02:55.380 Here.

07:02:55.920 We're not even going to...

07:02:57.220 I'm just going to raid somebody.

07:02:58.240 We're not going to even show it.

07:02:59.480 Those of you watching on Twitch, we are going to raid. 0.99

07:03:02.540 I guess we might as well show because I have to do my outro shit. 0.99

07:03:05.400 But we'll just do Woe Grandma. 1.00

07:03:07.620 We'll just raid Woe Grandma. 1.00

07:03:09.000 Let me get through the outro if you guys want.

07:03:11.380 Last call.

07:03:11.840 Get your TTSs in.

07:03:13.560 Okay.

07:03:14.560 One sec.

07:03:15.520 Let's wrap.

07:03:17.620 Oh, last thing.

07:03:18.540 Twitch.

07:03:19.160 Nick, can you pull up Twitch?

07:03:21.020 Guys, just go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:03:23.460 Drop us a follow.

07:03:24.000 Drop us a Prime sub.

07:03:25.120 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:03:26.220 Drop us a follow.

07:03:26.720 Drop us a Prime sub.

07:03:28.080 Guys, it's been 26 minutes since we last got a Prime.

07:03:30.900 If you can drop us a follow before you leave, drop us a Prime sub before you leave.

07:03:34.120 Really appreciate it.

07:03:34.740 If you're watching on YouTube, just drop, open up another tab, drop us a follow in the Prime sub.

07:03:38.680 Hey, Desi bro, thank you for clearing up the Twitch bug.

07:03:41.720 Appreciate it.

07:03:42.260 Drop us a thing for the Prime, man.

07:03:43.640 Thank you.

07:03:44.040 I thought it was bugged, but appreciate it.

07:03:46.040 Okay.

07:03:47.660 GG.

07:03:48.200 Well played to the panel.

07:03:50.400 Last call.

07:03:50.960 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

07:03:54.960 Well, thank you for tuning in tonight.

07:03:58.000 You've been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

07:03:59.660 I appreciate that.

07:04:00.240 Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, supports the show.

07:04:02.880 We will be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

07:04:06.680 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara. 0.96

07:04:09.820 We're looking to expand the whatever team.

07:04:11.860 If you live in Santa Barbara, you can also DM us at whatever on Instagram.

07:04:15.280 If you live in Santa Barbara, you want to join the team, whatever.

07:04:20.100 Nick, let's get the raid going.

07:04:21.400 Do you have Will Grandma pulled up?

07:04:22.520 Yep.

07:04:23.200 Okay.

07:04:23.380 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

07:04:26.260 Oh, sorry.

07:04:26.760 Sorry.

07:04:26.980 Last thing.

07:04:27.420 Also on our Discord.

07:04:28.240 Pull up the Discord really quick, Nick.

07:04:30.020 Guys, so we did a debate with CrayCrayDesiree on Thursday, and she like, I don't know what

07:04:36.840 you would consider it a flash, an assault, an attack.

07:04:40.240 That's available on our Discord.

07:04:41.940 Discord.gg slash whatever.

07:04:43.740 Speaking as a fugly man, I am highly offended by Redhead. 1.00

07:04:47.800 Can't believe he would disrespect his own like that.

07:04:50.600 I mean, W, she gave me a, I mean, she just let me clip farm her, so she could have just 0.93

07:04:55.880 kept it cool, but she gave me the kick, so farmed, like World of Warcraft.

07:05:02.320 Okay.

07:05:04.120 All right.

07:05:04.820 Thank you guys who watch on Twitch.

07:05:06.580 Drop us one last follow, and we're going to raid Woe Grandma here. 1.00

07:05:09.820 I'm going to send the raid now.

07:05:10.680 Thank you guys who watch on Twitch.

07:05:11.820 We're going to do the raid, then we're going to wrap.

07:05:12.860 All right, she's playing World of Warcraft Retail.

07:05:17.200 She's playing Retail there. 1.00

07:05:19.560 She's 83, guys, so be nice to her.

07:05:21.560 Be nice.

07:05:22.200 She's 83.

07:05:23.000 Just tell her she should come on the show, boys.

07:05:25.560 Tell us she should come on the show.

07:05:27.060 Well, it's not there now.

07:05:28.720 It's a world quest.

07:05:30.500 That thing said Riverbend, but it had added names.

07:05:34.660 I'll never get that.

07:05:35.460 Honestly, guys, I should not.

07:05:37.300 I should just start playing World of Warcraft instead of doing the dating podcast.

07:05:40.680 What do you think?

07:05:41.180 Chat, what do you think? 1.00

07:05:41.920 Should I just play World of Warcraft instead of the shit? 1.00

07:05:43.860 Oh, it's more whatever. 1.00

07:05:45.920 It's more whatever.

07:05:48.240 All right.

07:05:48.640 All right.

07:05:48.940 That's cool.

07:05:49.520 Okay, cool.

07:05:49.980 We can leave it.

07:05:50.960 Oh.

07:05:51.980 Hello.

07:05:52.560 Okay.

07:05:53.940 All right.

07:05:54.480 I think that's it.

07:05:55.680 Just double checking.

07:05:56.520 Are we good on everything?

07:05:57.740 I think we're good.

07:05:58.920 I think that's everything, right?

07:05:59.900 Not forgetting anything?

07:06:00.820 Pretty sure.

07:06:02.980 Oh. 1.00

07:06:03.340 Okay, fuck it. 1.00

07:06:09.280 You got to pull it up really quick. 1.00

07:06:10.380 Just to be safe.

07:06:12.300 Lol Paladins donated $30.

07:06:14.980 Come play sod with me, bro.

07:06:16.420 Maybe once I'm done, once I retire from this, I'll do it.

07:06:19.080 Okay, pull up the thumbnail really quick.

07:06:21.500 Yeah, I do want to apologize.

07:06:22.940 The girl on the left and the right, same girl.

07:06:25.460 She flaked.

07:06:26.460 No-showed.

07:06:27.100 We had another girl who no-showed.

07:06:29.380 Super frustrating.

07:06:30.380 These people just no-showed.

07:06:31.320 It's very frustrating.

07:06:31.880 Anyways, she's in the thumbnail, so we have to do a quick reaction to it because she's 0.99

07:06:36.000 in the thumbnail.

07:06:38.500 Would you date a, on one hand, she's wearing a cross, but also titties out. 1.00

07:06:43.200 Is that like, kind of like, doesn't make sense, you know?

07:06:46.480 Also, a bit too much makeup.

07:06:47.840 I would say a bit too much makeup on the left and on the right.

07:06:50.720 Way too much makeup.

07:06:51.580 Not really commenting on the girl on the middle.

07:06:54.260 She was here, whatever.

07:06:55.100 Don't care.

07:06:56.600 Too much makeup.

07:06:58.600 The eyelashes.

07:06:59.540 I don't know.

07:06:59.800 You guys know the fake?

07:07:00.900 You got fakes?

07:07:01.660 You got fakes on?

07:07:02.480 I don't know. 1.00

07:07:02.900 The fucking fake eyelashes. 1.00

07:07:05.320 I'm not about it. 1.00

07:07:05.980 It's kind of crazy.

07:07:06.900 Madison, do you wear fakes?

07:07:08.060 I have the same thing.

07:07:08.820 I don't like the fake eyelashes.

07:07:10.000 Don't like the fake eyelashes.

07:07:11.380 Don't like the lip filler.

07:07:12.580 I think this chick has lip filler. 1.00

07:07:14.400 A little too much makeup for my taste.

07:07:16.240 You know what I'm saying?

07:07:17.100 A little too much makeup.

07:07:18.440 A little.

07:07:19.000 The eyelashes.

07:07:19.900 I don't know.

07:07:20.420 Not really my thing.

07:07:22.220 Look, big.

07:07:23.540 A little too much.

07:07:24.280 A little too much.

07:07:25.060 Anyways, okay.

07:07:25.820 All right.

07:07:26.500 She was in the thumbnail. 1.00

07:07:27.540 She no-showed, so fucking scumbag. 1.00

07:07:29.780 All right. 1.00

07:07:30.920 Okay.

07:07:32.020 07's in the chat.

07:07:33.840 Good night, guys.

07:07:34.700 Hope you guys have a good night.

07:07:35.440 Good night.

Whatever Podcast - August 05, 2024

Toxic Man Hating 10⧸10 ＂Goddess＂ EXPLOITS Men？! (KICKED OFF) Andrew Wilson DESTROYS Misandrist？! ｜ Dating Talk #184

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