Tradthot E-GIRL 💍 DRAMA？! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men？! She IS The Table？! ｜ Dating Talk #255
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first female guest on the show, Heidi. She's a college dropout with a Bachelor's degree in Media and Communications from the University of Pennsylvania and a master's in Social Media Communications from Monmouth University. She talks about how she got her Bachelor's and how she's been dating since she was 18 years old. We also talk about how much she's paid for her college education and what she's studying to get her Master's degree, and what it's like being a millennial in the 21st century.
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the whatever channel. Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So,
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please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead.
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Hi, I'm Heidi. I am 25. I'm from Pennsylvania. I live in LA now. And I do marketing for TikTok shop.
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And I also do content creation, fashion and beauty focus. And I have two degrees in college. So, yeah.
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What degrees do you have? I have a bachelor's of arts in music business and then a bachelor's of
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science and communications PR and social media. Which university? Same one for both? No. Monmouth
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University for music business and then Wilmington University for communications PR and social media.
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All right. Very cool. Welcome. What about you? My name is Pauline. I'm 33. I live in LA and my
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highest education is just a few years of college. All right. And occupation? Oh, personal assistant.
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Oh, personal assistant. Okay. And you're from LA? I'm from LA. Born and raised in LA. Okay. Yeah.
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And you said education was? A few years of college. That's all I could. What were you studying,
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I mean? I couldn't figure it out. I wasn't a fan of the education. I was thinking veterinary medicine.
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Then I went, it was just all a mess. I even went into art. Everything was politicized. So,
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I got out of college. It's a mess. All right. Yeah. You got your associates or? No,
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no degree. Highest degree would, high school education, otherwise highest. Yeah. All right.
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What about you? Hi, I'm Elizabeth. I'm 21 years old. I'm from Chicago and I live in LA now. I'm a
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livestream host for TikTok shop. So, I sell like a product. You know, I work with an agency and I also
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dance on the side and my highest degree, I didn't finish. I was going to, I guess, high school. I dropped
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out. Gotcha. And you said you're 23, right? 21. I'm 22. Oh my gosh. I just turned 22.
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And when you say you're a dancer, you're not a stripper? No, I do a professional.
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Okay. Actual dance. Ballet or anything like that? I used to do ballet. I'm like mainly jazz,
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funk, hip hop, contemporary, freestyle. All right. Very cool. How tall are you, by the way?
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Five nine. All right. Let's get rid of her seat booster. She doesn't need a seat booster. Do I
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need a seat booster? That's how I feel. I felt like I was a boosted a little bit. All right. She's
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like, you're dwarfing the two girls next to you. Yeah. Just take it. So, what am I doing? Oh, just,
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uh, yeah. Oh, I had, I literally had a booster. That's too funny. Yeah. Scoot into the table. I'm
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just going to do a couple quick adjustments here. Actually, that feels a lot better. Can I have you just
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tilt your microphone down for me? Yeah. You, so you notice everything. You really do. And then
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what I'm also going to do, I should have done this before we went live. I just need to do a couple
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adjustments here. Can I have you just scoot to your right that way a little bit? Okay. And then move
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the mic along, along with you a little bit. Uh, scoot it, uh, scoot the mic, scoot the mic.
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Yeah, that works. That's good for now. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. What about you?
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Hi, my name's Mars. I'm 20 years old. I am a digital content creator. I do short form content.
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I have my own YouTube channel. I have my own podcast. I model, I act, I make music. And aside
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from that, I am studying business administration and artificial intelligence at the University of
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Southern California. Fight on. USC. Yes. Okay. That's a private school, right? It is a private
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school. What's the tuition for it? It's disgusting. It's like a hundred thousand dollars a year, I believe,
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but I have a full ride. You have a scholarship? I do. I'm a trustee scholar. I have a full merit
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scholarship to USC. What's that? They pay for all of my tuition and it's because of my merit,
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which is academics, leadership, service, et cetera. What is the merit though? It's not need-based aid.
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Like it's not financial aid. It's just, I did really good in high school in terms of GPA, extracurriculars,
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my essays. That's what merit is. Merit encompasses your leadership, your academic achievements,
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and your service. Okay. So your GPA was good. What was your GPA? In high school, we only did
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weighted GPA in my high school. I grew up in DC. I now live in LA. It was a 4.45 GPA. I don't know what
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my unweighted GPA was though. That was my weighted GPA. Gotcha. And you're studying what again? I'm
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studying business administration and artificial intelligence applications. Gotcha. And you said
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you're originally from DC. I am. Gotcha. Grew up there? Yes. Okay. Born and raised. All right. What
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about you? Hi, my name is Ellie. I'm 18 years old and tomorrow I start my first day of senior year
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in high school. Good for you. Enjoy it. She's a super senior. Every time. Nice. Super senior. I'm not a super senior.
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It's a reasonable age, you guys. And, uh, you do, uh, you have a job or anything? No, I'm completely
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unemployed. Unemployed. Okay. And, um, and you're from where again? San Diego. San Diego. Okay. What
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about you? Hi, my name is Zena. I am 21 years old and I am a content creator and I currently go to the
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American Musical and Dramatic Academy, which is a performing arts college. I, my major is musical theater.
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Okay. Yeah. And are you focusing on anything specific with that? Um, well, that is specific.
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Like my school only has four majors. So it's only acting, film, acting for camera, musical theater,
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and dance. But there's like crew. So are you in doing the crew component or you're, you're on stage?
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No, because so, well, no, because it's musical theater. You learn all of it.
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Like, like you don't just learn. Well, there's like the lighting people. Well, well, yeah, that's why there's
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different majors, like acting for camera, acting, musical theater. Like when I choose my major to
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be musical theater, I don't just learn on the stage. I also learn like background stuff,
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light, writing my own script, writing my own song, like all of it goes into it.
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Okay. So you're a theater kid. Sure. Okay. And, uh, you're, are you more of a singer,
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more of an actor, all of the above? I'm all of them. All of the above? Yes.
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Are you currently in a, any sort of plays currently or anything? No, not currently.
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Okay. What's your favorite musical? My favorite musical is called Epic. It's a story based on the
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Odyssey. If you guys like Greek mythology, it's a really good one. All right. And you're from LA?
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Yes. I'm from Hollywood. What about you? Uh, hi, my name is Kamiya. I'm 25. I'm currently a PA student,
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physician assistant student at West Coast University. Um, and I do not work right now.
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And, uh, where are you from originally? I'm from, uh, Oceanside, but I, uh, now live in Orange County,
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South Orange County. Got it. Okay. What about you? Hello. Uh, my name's Jamie. Did you just say
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bet? I did. How old are you? I'm supposed to ask a woman her age. Well, you're about to say it.
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Okay. Well, yeah, tell us your intro. What's the intro here? Uh, hi, I'm Jamie. I am 36 years young.
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Um, from Baltimore, Maryland, but I currently reside. I'm sorry. I'm 36. Trust me. It's too old.
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You're too old to say bet. Yeah. We're the same age. You can't say bet. I have a teenage son.
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I can say bet. That might make it worse. I don't know. It does. But so, uh, where are you from?
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Uh, I'm from Baltimore, but I also, I need your stress ball too. Just, um, she has a stress ball here.
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I'm very stressed. I'm going to steal your stress ball from the time to time. Uh, so you're from
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Baltimore. I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. Isn't it dangerous? It is pretty dangerous. Yeah. Well,
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it depends on like whether or not you're in the gentrified area or if you're in the un-gentrified
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area. Is that where the wire was based? Yeah. The wire, you know the show? Yeah. Okay. Of
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course I know the show. I'm from Baltimore. Yikes. Um, yeah. Um, occupation, uh, I am a substitute
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Montessori teacher. What's Montessori for the people that don't know? It is, uh, it's a teaching
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style. You can either go to public education. You can be part of, you know, Waldorf education.
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You can be part of Montessori, but it basically, it it's, it's a way in which you teach kids from
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like tiny, tiny all the way up until like graduation age. Yeah. What is the way though?
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What's the way? Um, so essentially Montessori is based around certain principles like care for the
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self, care for the environment, um, care for gosh, what's the other one? I'm terrible. I'm only a sub.
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I'm only there like maybe a couple of days a week. Just care for the self, uh, care for the environment.
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And yeah, one more. Basically it gets your kids, um, to learn how to be independent starting from
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like a young age. Like we have kids as young as like maybe 10 weeks in the school. Um, so it places a,
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uh, a big emphasis on independence and like finding what your jam is and then just like
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learning everything that you can about it. So. All right, cool. All right. That's, uh, and oh,
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uh, education. I'm a college dropout. I did go to school for radio, but it was not like a four-year
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institution. Okay. Got it. All right. Well, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once
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more. What's everybody's relationship status, uh, longest relationship you've been in. And if you're
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single, how long have you been single? Good. I am single. I've never been in a relationship.
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Okay. So yeah. You're 25, right? Yes. Okay. Uh, longest period of time you've dated somebody?
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Like a situationship? Yeah, sure. I would say like two years. That's dating. A little closer to the
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mic. You said two years? Two years. Yeah. Was it on again, off again? Uh, only went no contact once, but
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you went no contact. Both of you went no contact or one of you did? Both. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. Why? Temporarily. Yeah. Mutual no contact. And he broke no contact. Okay. Who initiated
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the break? He did. Well, it was like random. It was like very random. How long did that last?
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Yes. Like three months, maybe during Mercury retrograde.
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Word. Came back during Mercury retrograde. How long ago was that? December.
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It's the last time you saw him was in December. No, I saw him like last week.
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Oh, the break was in December. Yes. Yes. Okay. So you saw him last week. Yes.
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And you've known him total for two years. No. I've known him for like seven.
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You've known him for seven, but you've only been what for two years?
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Like talking, a situationship for two years. Did you hook up with him seven years ago?
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No. Six years ago? No. Five? Two years. Maybe a year. Okay.
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I hooked up with him a year ago, but we started like flirting two years ago. I was a virgin
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two years ago. Hmm. So he's the only guy you've been with? Yes.
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Like once. Wait, what do you mean once? Like he took my V card and that was about it.
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Hmm. Wait, what? Hold on. The worst. You had sex only one time? Yes. Ever? But yes.
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You've been in a situationship with him for two years. You had sex with him a year ago. You still
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continue to see him. You already lost your virginity to him, but now you don't have sex with him anymore?
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No, he has to earn it. Hmm. So like, so like, wait, so what do you guys do? Bro,
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you're fucking lying. Your friend's lying. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. She's not lying.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've been around it. Yeah. I have a question. So what do you guys do
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when you hang out? Like, like, like what makes, what makes, what makes it a situation? Like we do
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other things, but I'm not like having sex with him. Okay. I'm just sorry if that was an intrusive
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question. No, it's okay. Okay. But why haven't you made it official? Like that sounds like dating
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because he's a whore. Oh, okay. Well then I understand. Why are you still talking to this
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guy? Cause he's like, it's, it's just like a complicated situation. You know how better
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dick exists though? Like, well, she's only had one. I mean, okay. All right. So like,
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there was like, we were best friends. So it was like a little bit more than besties. Well now,
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but like before it was like strictly platonic and then we both moved out here and then it like
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got complicated. Do you think he's watching right now? No. Need splits. Definitely not.
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I'm frustrated for you. I'm frustrated for you. Well, what, what's, how are you frustrated and why
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you frustrated? Because like y'all are besties. Why is he such a whore then? Cause he has commitment
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issues and, uh, he's also a sex worker. So that's how he makes his money. Huh? So I'm not going to
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stop him from getting his bag, especially in this economy. Is there anything that he could do other
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than sex work though? Uh, I mean, yeah, but like, I'm so confused. It goes, it's getting deeper.
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It's all true though. Is that an actual question? Is there anything else you could do?
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Like, are you actually, you, you care that much? I don't know. I personally don't care how somebody
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gets their bag. I wasn't talking to you. Um, what he does only fans then? Yes.
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How long has he been doing that? Three years, four years.
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How old is he? 25. Okay. So what does he do on OF? I don't look at it. I'm not a subscriber,
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so I wouldn't know. I don't ask about it. That's none of my business. Open the doors please. Um,
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so he's hooking up with other women. Yeah. Not just for work, but also just for fun, like civilians.
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Uh, yeah, probably. Yeah. Okay. And you're upset that he won't commit to you or what? I'm not upset
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about it. I just know what the situation is and that's okay. I know he's not looking for commitment
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right now and that's fine. Okay. What are you looking for? I'm just trying to be successful in
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L.A. So I'm not really too worried about a relationship status. Like, of course, I want
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to find a partner, but I'm more worried about like becoming successful, getting money and like
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living my life, being happy. Like a relationship doesn't contribute to that. Like it can, but like,
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it's not all I'm focused on. Um, wait. And so why are you with him? I guess I'm just confused.
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Well, I'm not going to break a friendship over something like that. Like we're still friends
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at the end of the day. Like if we're a situation ship, like one day and like besties the next day,
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it's like, we're not always like in that situation ship stage, I guess it's kind of like best friends
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one day. And then like other times it's like, Oh, we're flirting today. Like the lines are wired.
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how did the whole like losing your virginity thing was that planned? Was it a spontaneous thing?
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Uh, it was kind of spontaneous, but like I was sleeping over at his house, like
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Wait, you were like living with him? No, no, no. I would just go over and sleep over.
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Real though, very real. Just put your name on the lease.
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And I guess, was alcohol involved or were you guys both sober?
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Uh, I don't really drink at all. He drinks, but like alcohol wasn't really a factor.
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Uh, is there any reason you guys haven't hooked up again?
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Like he'll come sleep over and like, that's that, like, I'm not gonna let him.
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Yeah, but like, I won't let him sleep with me again.
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Okay, um, what do they call that? There's a term for that.
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Uh, I think it's like a, a blowjob Betty or something.
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Okay, um, though, it's just kind of, I mean, it's just a little confusing, I guess.
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It is confusing and it's not like I'm loyal to him if he's not going to be loyal to me.
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So it's like, I still keep my options open, but I just don't sleep with people in general.
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No, he was always in social media and got into sex work after, like, I've known him for two years.
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And yeah, it was like when OnlyFans started becoming bigger and more normalized.
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So I don't know if I missed this, but do you hook up with other people?
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So, but like a hook up, yeah, but like, not like the S word.
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It's, it, I don't know, like, I don't know, stuck in the D.
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Because if I make out with somebody, it's somewhere in there.
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But if I make out with somebody at a party, are you adding them to your body count?
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I'd be a separate body count if you're like, you're just making out.
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But I feel like the minute that genitalia hits like a crossover zone, like even if like,
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you know, they're just rubbing it on the, you know, um, that would.
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People define sex very differently in this day and age.
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So, you know, I don't have penetrative sex with a penis with a girl, you know, but I still
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I think you can define it in your own ways, but I probably define sex a little bit differently than you do.
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I mean, even, even the LDS folk try and skirt like that by the whole like soaking thing.
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But it's like, you know, if, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.
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You said you don't want to add a body, but you already have said body.
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She asked if I wanted, like, if I was hooking up with other people.
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But like, it's not like I'm not seeing other people.
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Like I, it's not like I won't go on a date with another person or like, I still have my
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Interesting situation you've found yourself in.
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You've been hanging out with him for two years, but it's non-exclusive.
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You lost your virginity to him, but you only had sex once.
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He's a sex worker and he fucks other women for business and pleasure.
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And you date other people too, but you have varying degrees of foreplay with them, but
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You only S the D, the guy who fucks other women.
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So you, like a new guy comes into the picture, you, you know, maybe, you know,
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But you reserve the S-ing the D for the man who has his penis in other women.
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I'm actually just getting into, I've dated a couple people, but nothing.
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But you were in your longest relationship seven years ago.
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No, it lasted a couple years, that relationship.
00:27:13.940
I've had second and third dates, but the value system that we, we didn't share values, fundamental
00:27:20.340
And I can find that out within a couple of dates, you know?
00:27:23.300
So I'm like, is this the guy I want to spend my life with?
00:27:28.580
What are the fundamental values that you're looking for?
00:27:46.820
It's kind of a dying art form I'm noticing with guys.
00:27:57.380
I'm very good at reciprocating communication, but the dating world is a mess right now.
00:28:03.140
The sexual marketplace is an absolute disaster.
00:28:21.380
Since teenage, I've always wanted marriage, kids.
00:28:41.940
I'm actually a catechumen in the Orthodox Church.
00:28:53.700
I've been going to this particular Orthodox Church.
00:28:55.940
And the good thing about it is it's pre-denominational.
00:29:01.780
It's not like degenerate women on the podium, gay pride events in church.
00:29:28.980
And I'm currently single, but like in a complicated situationship.
00:29:37.940
We were talking for six months, five, six months.
00:29:48.340
So your boyfriend, girlfriend for five to six months, or was it just casual?
00:29:54.580
Like, you know, we were both loyal to each other.
00:30:01.300
But I don't think that we were seeing other people.
00:30:11.940
It was kind of like, I crashed out on him on accident.
00:30:20.020
I crashed out on him just because of like a situation.
00:30:23.940
Like he needed to show up to something and he didn't.
00:30:27.380
And it was just more so like, he's really busy.
00:30:44.100
Like I had a showcase for dance and he said that like the morning,
00:30:54.980
but like his message was like also like confusing.
00:31:00.820
And then 1145 hit around and I was like, where did you go?
00:31:08.180
And so like, we had an argument with him and I hung up on him.
00:31:20.100
So he was in LA for work and he just decided not to show up.
00:31:40.020
That's probably pretty valid to just not show up to that.
00:31:45.300
I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean,
00:31:52.500
I get it because he's been working since 8 AM and it's in LA.
00:32:00.260
Cause the showcase doesn't end until like 2 AM and,
00:32:05.220
I'm there for you for your work stuff, you know?
00:32:20.260
He sells cars, does stuff like revolving the business.
00:32:22.020
Wait, did he text you something along the lines of,
00:32:32.420
it was like kind of confusing because it was like,
00:32:36.420
And then it was like, yeah, I have to head back to my car.
00:32:39.220
And then, um, then it was like, all of a sudden never heard anything.
00:32:44.660
Like I was waiting around and hoping that he would still show up.
00:32:47.780
Wait, but did he say something along the lines of.
00:32:58.260
Like you didn't say no, that he wasn't coming until like,
00:33:03.300
I, he was like, I probably won't be able to make it all this stuff.
00:33:06.500
And I was like mad because I would have rather have known.
00:33:22.660
He said that I, he said, I still have to head over to my car.
00:33:28.980
Hey, I'm not coming or something along those lines.
00:33:31.300
He said that after the show, once the show was already starting,
00:33:34.980
like at that time, like within that time period,
00:33:39.140
Like, so round, he was like, I probably won't be able to make it.
00:33:43.060
And I was giving the hope that he was still probably show up.
00:33:47.860
So he said, I'm probably not going to be able to make it.
00:34:02.180
because the thing is that he was telling me all these times that he was,
00:34:07.860
Was your performance contingent upon his being there?
00:34:15.380
No, it's just an audience member sitting there for four hours while you do like interpretive
00:34:21.220
The thing with this, with this showcase, it's like, this is where agencies are.
00:34:27.700
This is where a lot of people started and get signed and get booked for things.
00:34:31.380
Everyone gets booked at these types of showcases.
00:34:37.540
him being there would have been like a great part of it.
00:34:39.140
Cause I don't invite anybody to my dance stuff.
00:34:41.380
Like nobody, if I invite you to my dance stuff, like that's like my world, you know?
00:34:45.300
So like when you don't show up for me in that way,
00:34:49.940
But I mean, him being there wouldn't have an impact on your career.
00:35:02.980
And how long you've been with him for five to six months?
00:35:10.340
I understand both sides, but I understand his side too.
00:35:14.420
He probably could have given you more heads up.
00:35:20.820
Like it was like, he was in town for work and could have just driven like 10 minutes
00:35:33.700
I know that's not what it is, but going to a dance recital.
00:35:50.340
So it's not the number one priority for a straight male to go to his girlfriend's dance recital
00:35:55.460
for three hours after he just busted his ass all day.
00:35:58.500
I will tell you though, he could have given you a bit more heads up.
00:36:01.380
But beyond that, man, this guy's, if he's willing to, the fact he was willing to initially do it,
00:36:10.500
That was the only, that was the only one, five, because we don't really perform like that.
00:36:19.940
And so it's, you said it's three to four hours long.
00:36:22.500
Well, when we go on, we just like end up leaving right after and go do something else
00:36:30.100
Like we were like show there's like, we closed the first act.
00:36:35.220
I think that a straight man was even considering going to a dance recital.
00:36:48.020
What does him being straight have to do with the team?
00:36:51.220
Like I was, as somebody who goes to school for it, there's a lot of straight guys there.
00:36:57.700
And I'm just saying, I think, I see where you're coming from because it's not the fact
00:37:07.620
It's the vulnerability of knowing that you don't invite people to it.
00:37:11.460
And then as somebody who's in like, who like does dance showcases and stuff,
00:37:16.020
And I get where you're coming from because of my, I understand that you had a long day,
00:37:19.780
but it's mostly just the fact of like, Hey, give me notice.
00:37:22.180
Like, like, like if I support you and this is my first time inviting you to my show,
00:37:27.620
I feel like if you're 10 minutes away, you can at least like pop in, like sit in your
00:37:32.020
car for a couple of minutes and like decompress.
00:37:34.340
I think, yeah, I feel like if you're pushing through to support him and his things, it's
00:37:40.980
And he didn't do that when he was supposed to show up.
00:37:42.820
I think you took that personal and you had a few hours of stress because you didn't hear
00:37:47.940
So that those two hours of stress, you took very personal because he could have let you
00:37:51.620
know a few hours in advance, which I agree with.
00:37:56.980
Like, again, like this is where you get booked.
00:37:58.900
Like, I'm like, okay, I need to like put my, and I had a spring knee.
00:38:02.020
So this was like my first like time back on stage and like six months, like, you know,
00:38:07.620
so it was more so like, okay, this is super important.
00:38:11.220
Like, you know how it is, like tech rehearsals and the run through and then the actual show.
00:38:14.340
And you're sitting there for like six, eight hours just before the show.
00:38:30.980
Um, how, how long in advance do you tell him that you're having your...
00:38:40.340
And do you bring a lot of people in your inner world very often?
00:38:45.940
Cause I don't bring my family, like my family, like I love my mom, but she is always working
00:39:01.940
I mean, like we were going back and forth with each other.
00:39:04.180
So like, it could be like 45 minutes at, like at night or like during the, like, we don't
00:39:08.500
really, I mean, during the day, it could be like an hour and a half, two hours.
00:39:15.060
We got lucky if we saw each other twice a week.
00:39:21.060
Cause the time that we spent together, like it, it, it was like energetically like crazy,
00:39:26.180
you know, just like, it just feels so much better instead of seeing a person every freaking
00:39:34.180
Like I, well, at least you guys kind of have space.
00:39:39.460
But I also think she was upset because when he did show up, like when he would see her,
00:39:44.180
it was just like, oh, and you couldn't show up for that.
00:39:46.580
It was kind of just like, as a friend, it was like, bro, like you had one job, like you
00:39:53.060
But you come like during these times, it was just like, oh.
00:39:57.060
Everything's always kind of a test and sometimes a test.
00:40:00.180
It's going to be kind of destined to fail, you know, I understand where you're coming
00:40:04.260
from, but that's, it was kind of not set up ideally.
00:40:10.420
That's like, I feel like it was like, I feel like it was destined to fail on his part.
00:40:17.220
If you, if you gave him notice and he knows his work schedule better than anybody else.
00:40:22.420
So I feel like even if he did have a hard day, he should know his own capabilities, like,
00:40:27.060
and not dedicate himself to that in the first place.
00:40:37.540
Y'all two done dedicated to come on the show at meet at 4 p.m.
00:40:46.500
So don't tell me about, well, if you dedicate yourselves to something, you should do the,
00:40:55.620
If you're going to dedicate yourself to something, well, you better make sure you're always perfectly
00:41:14.900
Actually, like maybe boyfriend, girlfriend, what's the title?
00:41:20.340
And I was like, and I was like, Oh, I love you.
00:41:28.580
Unless honestly, if your girlfriend, if she's not your girlfriend and she hasn't said, I love
00:41:32.260
you, it's too soon for the, Hey, spend two hours at the dance.
00:41:36.420
Something super personal to you that you don't even bring your mom to.
00:41:42.660
If it's, look, if the guy is, it's a Pokemon tournament and you want your girlfriend to
00:41:47.380
come to the Pokemon tournament, that's valid dance though.
00:42:20.660
You gotta be dating for nine months before you can, like.
00:42:23.300
I think, I think it's just the fact that he said that he was gonna go.
00:42:32.580
You, you got, you have to have said I love you before you can take a girl to a baseball
00:42:39.700
It's boring for a dude, but taking a girl to a baseball game, she has to be in love with
00:42:46.020
you before you can take her to a baseball game.
00:42:48.260
A guy has to be in love with you before you take him to your dance thing.
00:42:52.340
Why do I have to wait five, six months before I go to a baseball game?
00:43:26.980
No, he messaged me last night and I didn't open it until this morning.
00:43:34.900
Because the thing is, I went complete ghost on social media, like just to get a break from
00:43:40.260
And I think he was wondering where I was physically.
00:43:43.860
Wait, you went on a break because of what happened between you and him?
00:43:50.100
So it's like, that's like what I do all the time.
00:43:51.860
I haven't had a break since January and like honestly before then.
00:43:54.740
So I was like, let me just take a break from, you know, scrolling, all that stuff.
00:44:00.100
So I think he was wondering what he couldn't have, but like, you know, he probably was wondering
00:44:05.700
So he snapchatted me and didn't open it until this morning.
00:44:11.860
Because I think he wanted to see where I was actually physically.
00:44:16.500
If you could, if you could just text me, like I can be anywhere.
00:44:20.820
He said that he scraped his elbow because he was skateboarding.
00:44:28.260
He was just looking for an excuse to talk to you.
00:44:41.220
This is the communication that becomes a problem.
00:44:53.380
I was literally walking over to the stage about to cry.
00:44:58.820
And then, um, I went straight to my phone and I didn't see any notifications from him.
00:45:06.580
And I instantly went outside, called him the first time it declined after the second ring.
00:45:14.180
And so, and then I called him again, I called him again and he answered on like the second or third
00:45:34.420
And I go, you could have told me that you weren't coming way before instead of the time of the show.
00:45:42.020
And then I was like in the middle of like about to say more things.
00:45:45.940
I was just like, it doesn't sound like it was a crash out, but the things that I had a very much,
00:45:52.020
Like there was other things that were said that I like can't even recall.
00:45:54.500
Cause like my brain was just like throw everything out.
00:45:57.700
And he was, and as I was about to say something else, he was like, well, I have a long drive home.
00:46:01.700
And before he could even hang up on me, I hung up on him.
00:46:05.140
And that was the first time I've ever crashed out on him.
00:46:11.060
Like, did he, did he understand how important this was?
00:46:21.620
Look, you can't, you can't block at every moment of conflict.
00:46:34.100
I can't even like reenact it because like, are you okay?
00:46:45.780
I, I fell off my skateboard and I got a boo boo.
00:46:53.620
It was like, I don't even know how to explain it because like, she's heard me angry.
00:47:08.740
I was trying to have like a more like calm state, but I was just like, what the, like,
00:47:12.340
what the F like, you know, even through text message, it was like, I don't swear him like
00:47:16.580
Like it was like, what the F like all this stuff.
00:47:18.500
And that was when I was just like, why didn't the F did you not show up?
00:47:23.860
He was like, I'm really tired and I've worked all day.
00:47:29.540
And you've been acting weird for the last couple of days, but we were fine this morning.
00:47:36.580
And then that's when like, I was about to say more things and literally just everything out.
00:47:41.780
So I didn't want to look absolutely crazy, crazy because I, you know, I don't want that.
00:47:46.420
But like, that was when he was like, oh, well, I have a long drive.
00:47:50.260
And so that's when I hung up on him before he could say anything else.
00:48:03.620
This is a minor slight that was blown out of proportion.
00:48:07.700
I will, I will grant that he should have given you more notes.
00:48:18.900
It's kind of weird that you guys haven't had a subsequent follow up conversation.
00:48:30.820
So this was like last week, last, last Thursday.
00:48:36.180
Um, he texted me at like 3 PM and I wasn't really expecting him to call me anyway or text
00:48:44.020
me because I was like, okay, well, we both, you know, need that space anyway.
00:48:47.860
And so, and then he texted me and he goes, yeah, like, I just can't do this.
00:48:53.620
Like, you know, I just can't put, you know, I just can't put the energy and the time.
00:48:56.740
Like, I feel really bad that I can't make anything like at all.
00:49:00.020
Like you get mad at me and it makes me feel bad.
00:49:02.660
So it's just like, I just need to limit all distractions, which is true.
00:49:07.380
I know he does because we have the same schedule.
00:49:09.700
So that's why it's really hard for us to see each other.
00:49:11.540
So I was like, okay, you know, and I was like, what made you come to this conclusion
00:49:21.780
And he's just like, I'm just not prioritizing my work.
00:49:24.980
I feel like I'm not making it on time to work and all this stuff.
00:49:32.260
And he was like, I'm going to be traveling all this stuff.
00:49:37.220
And so I came back calmly, wrote him a whole thing of everything that I had to say.
00:49:40.740
And, you know, I apologized for being really mean to him that night.
00:49:44.580
And I was like, I should have came to you in a different way.
00:49:46.740
I was like, I had a lot of things going on in the back of my mind and I just wanted you there.
00:49:51.220
And so, um, we ended things on a good note in a way, but yeah, his last message was
00:49:56.260
just like, I'm distancing myself from friends, you, everything I need to focus on my career.
00:50:05.220
It sounds like a breakup, but, um, had you guys hung out earlier that day?
00:50:17.460
Oh, you guys were seeing each other once a week before that.
00:50:22.500
And we were like, we were already, you know, it was really hard because like,
00:50:28.980
So like, we didn't see each other like three weeks before that.
00:50:31.300
Then we saw each other, I think like one or two times before this happened.
00:50:36.500
Uh, you said this, what occurred was perturbing?
00:50:45.620
Uh, perturbed being, uh, irritated, annoyed, bothered by the situation.
00:51:03.860
I thought there was a bit more gravitas to perturbed.
00:51:14.820
I think it's a dick move to invite a guy to a dance recital.
00:51:31.300
It's not like a normal dance recital, like with ballet.
00:51:41.220
It's like the movie Step Up, like that type of dance.
00:51:54.580
Like this is where like it's professional dance.
00:51:58.900
If you're not a straight guy and if you're not a dancer.
00:52:22.420
And if a guy wants to sleep with a woman, do they often lie to get laid?
00:52:31.140
Have you ever liked a guy, but he had a particular interest that, uh, you really liked him, but
00:52:36.900
his interest, you weren't super interested in it, but you feigned a level of like, oh,
00:52:43.940
But you're like deep down, you're like, eh, not really that interested, but you're, you're
00:53:01.460
Like as a guy, you're not gonna, you're not gonna, oh, you're a dancer.
00:53:11.380
You're going to be like, oh my God, that's really cool.
00:53:16.020
Guys are not going to be like shit on your hobby or your passion.
00:53:24.580
So truth be told, your boyfriend or guy you're seeing or whatever, or why I guess you guys
00:53:28.740
are broken up now, uh, probably has like next to no interest in dance.
00:53:32.980
He's just like interested in you and he's feigning interest in dance.
00:53:36.820
So when you guys say straight guys have interest in dance, no, it's because you guys like dance
00:53:40.900
and the guys are going to be like, straight guys like dance.
00:53:42.820
No straight, like straight guys are not like, oh, wow.
00:53:51.620
They just want to build stuff and geek out over things.
00:54:12.340
We got moving on, but thank you for sharing all that.
00:54:26.500
It's literally because like you could, they could be dancing with another girl and I don't want
00:54:29.700
Like it's like, but you could be dancing with another guy.
00:54:33.620
It's just like, I don't want to feel like I'm competing with my person like at all.
00:54:40.660
But then why would, then wouldn't it be the case that a guy could dance and not dance with
00:54:54.500
Like, it's like, oh, well, I don't want to go to that class.
00:54:58.900
I've never seen a male breakdance or dance with women.
00:55:02.820
I've like, that's not the way you're referring.
00:55:07.780
Well, I guess there's different forms of dance.
00:55:10.020
I've lost dance classes because of the guys I've been dating.
00:55:15.620
Well, no, sometimes they're, sometimes they're like really weird or like, or like some dancer
00:55:20.500
guys are like one of those guys who dance with every girl and they're like, they're just
00:55:25.380
But like, yeah, big ego because they're like, oh, I can dance.
00:55:31.220
And it's like, okay, like trying to compete with.
00:55:51.940
Like he, wait, is it like car sales, car maintenance, uh, car sales, car sales.
00:55:58.020
Like a car guy to go to a dance, a hip hop, jazz dance thing.
00:56:05.620
Of course, this was a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.
00:56:10.820
This was a, this was a train wreck waiting to happen.
00:56:15.060
Save that, you know, save it like a year down the road.
00:56:20.260
I think it's too soon to, to get the guy to go the dance thing.
00:56:23.940
Did you expect it to be a train wreck kind of pre expect it?
00:56:30.580
So it kind of turned out the way you expect it almost.
00:56:44.500
You're like, I'm looking to buy a car and like, listen to a sales pitch.
00:57:06.260
My longest relationship, you know, I too am in Gen Z and have fallen victim to situationships.
00:57:13.620
I had a situationship on and off for about three years.
00:57:19.780
Um, yeah, that's, that was my longest relationship.
00:57:46.740
Have you ever had a long-term relationship with a guy?
00:57:54.100
I'm only 20, so that was back in high school, and how real can that be?
00:57:58.420
You know, it's kind of like puppy love, and I still give it its credit and its flowers.
00:58:03.460
It felt very real, but it's different when, you know, you're an adult and you have a career
00:58:08.020
and job and school and so many other factors to think about.
00:58:16.180
I get that question super often as a bisexual girl.
00:58:19.380
Um, it honestly changes based on who I'm interested in of the season.
00:58:25.700
If I'm, if I have a crush on a girl, then I obviously feel more gay.
00:58:29.460
If I crush, if I have a crush on a guy, then I feel straighter.
00:58:35.140
Um, yeah, it kind of just depends who I'm interested in at that current time of life.
00:58:46.820
There's never been a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
00:58:50.340
Um, and probably for the foreseeable future as I finished my last year of high school.
00:59:22.820
Um, my longest relationship was about five years on and off throughout high school.
00:59:37.220
So I've been single for about like a couple months now.
01:00:13.860
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but she's my friend.
01:00:16.660
You know, what's funny is that I was wearing the engagement ring the other day.
01:00:23.060
I'm not wearing it right now because it's getting cleaned.
01:00:40.740
Well, actually, technically, legally speaking, engagement rings.
01:00:45.700
Well, I mean, if they don't press it, like they do have a legal claim to getting it back.
01:01:00.900
Because what are you going to do with the ring?
01:01:04.580
Like, are you going to give it to another woman?
01:01:06.340
If I was another woman and I found out you gave me an engagement or you gave to some other
01:01:15.220
And you said you've been single for three months.
01:01:18.180
So were you, what was the thing three months ago?
01:01:26.420
Like we got together like a little bit before my birthday, which is in March.
01:01:31.140
And then he got into a motorcycle accident and yeah.
01:01:39.300
And he like broke his pelvis, his shoulder and like his legs.
01:01:48.500
We had a couple instances in the hospital where like things got a little heated and we had
01:01:53.620
some miscommunication and then he ended up like getting out the hospital.
01:01:57.700
He was really distant and then he ended up breaking up with me kind of abruptly.
01:02:02.820
It wasn't, I wouldn't call it a like good breakup only because like the, when he broke
01:02:08.580
up with me, he texted me and was like, I can't do this anymore.
01:02:12.980
We were together for like a month, but like I, but like I've known, but like I've known
01:02:18.740
So like, so like I wasn't mad that he broke up with me, nothing like that.
01:02:22.980
I was mad that like after he texted me, he was like, I want to call you to like do it
01:02:36.660
I text him like, Hey, when are we going to call?
01:02:50.660
I'm like, Hey, I'm not mad at you that you couldn't call me or anything, but please
01:02:55.140
don't dedicate yourself to something that you're not going to follow through on.
01:02:59.940
And then he texted me like this whole long thing about how like, he doesn't owe me anything
01:03:05.300
and that he doesn't want to cater to me and that I'm probably cheating on him.
01:03:09.380
It was like this really like big thing for no reason.
01:03:16.100
Cause wasn't he trying to call you to like talk about your breakup?
01:03:22.180
I remember showing you those texts and you were just like, yeah, I don't miss this one.
01:03:27.220
So you guys were together for a month, but you'd known each other for friends or like
01:03:35.460
And he initially texted you the breakup message, but then he wanted to do a phone call.
01:03:41.940
When you say you knew each other beforehand though, what was the extent?
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Um, we met on like a set for one of his like short films that he was doing and we just like
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connected and like became like really close friends from that.
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When you say close friends, what does that mean?
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Like kind of hooking up, but also we're friends like we're hooking up, but like, you know,
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He like, so from the point of the first time you hooked up to the point of when it became
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But you said you were only with him for a month.
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Like I feel like boyfriend, girlfriend, you're going on dates.
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It was more, I would say it's friends with benefits.
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Cause it's not like, it's not like we were going on dates and like.
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Cause you said, well, you weren't going on dates.
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What is the incentive to then transition into taking a girl out on dates after he's like,
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I think some of you guys want a more emotional connection.
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Cause I was about to say you guys were only together for a month.
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That's probably, uh, like phone call or in person territory.
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Although at least maybe the, I want the panel to weigh in on this.
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I kind of think even if it's been a year or two, just do a text.
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I, I think it's circumstantial because we all live very busy lives.
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Like sometimes I'm not going to be in the same city as my partner.
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I would rather not string them along or them not string me along.
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And it's just, if we're not feeling any type of way, let's just rip the bandaid off.
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I do see the element of respect in trying to have an in-person conversation, but I also
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feel like our generation tries to force closure.
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Like sometimes things are just over and that can just be a text and we can all move on.
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And I think that, uh, I mean, me personally, at least from my, if a girl is breaking up with
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me, I think even if I've been dating her for two years, I'm okay with the text.
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Now, if I had other further questions, I would appreciate, but I'd probably just be like,
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It's like, if the relationship's coming to an end, why is a conversation even necessary?
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Especially given the circumstances of like, he just got out the hospital.
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It's like one of those things of like, okay, that I can definitely understand why you're
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And it, like for me, I wasn't mad that he sent the text.
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I was mad that he said he wanted to call and then ghosted me all day and then didn't
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Yeah, it was just like, I was just, I was just mad that he insisted on this stupid call
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I'm surprised none of you are actually giving me more pushback on my been dating for two
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But like, what if you get the text and they're like, yeah, I just want to be friends.
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Cause I, I don't, I don't feel that way either.
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You know, I understand having this emotional connection to your ex, but I don't know.
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I've tried to do the whole being friends with your exes thing, but it never works.
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Someone always like feels more emotionally invested than the other person.
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And it's just, I don't know, Tara, yummy and Jake Weber.
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I don't know how you guys do it, but I, I don't think that it's
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And that's, that's the thing too, with the whole like text message thing.
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The reason I'm okay with the text message when we're ending our romantic relationship
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is because I can look back on our romantic relationship with so much fondness.
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But when that chapter is over, you know, I'm onto the next book.
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If I continue to try to be friends with my ex, because you have all that history and
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Like if we worked together on like different sets, like that's totally cool.
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But I don't, I don't think I could truly be good friends with an ex.
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I mean, I think it should be, things should be amicable.
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Like it shouldn't be if possible, but I'm not keeping tabs on them.
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But going back really quick to the, the texting as a breakup measure, uh, a little surprised
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here because I've, I've heard a lot of women say they, they want to have that conversation,
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maybe more so if the woman's the one getting dumped than if they're doing the dumping.
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Um, I pride myself in, you know, I have many positive traits, characteristics, uh, many,
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many, uh, one of which I'm very humble, humility, uh, but I did think of a unique trait that I do have.
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Kind of like a, uh, you know, a weird one kind of, I'm very easy to break up with because,
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uh, you know, whether it's been one, two, three dates or we've been dating one, two, three years,
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uh, you know, cause look, some women might have like safety concerns with a guy they're seeing.
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Oh, what is he? Is he going to kill me or some shit? Uh, you know, what the fuck? Is he going
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to be angry? So, you know, sometimes some men can be scary, but look, to be clear, most men,
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you break up with them, it's going to be fine. But like, maybe you guys have had a situation
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where even like a guy you've been on one date, two dates, three dates with, they lose their
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fucking mind. Absolutely. They lose their mind. And you know, it's weird. I've had this experience
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with women where I tell them and I, I try not to ghost. I try not to ghost. Although sometimes I,
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why are you laughing, Nick? What the fuck? I try, but I, I actually, you know, I've had experiences
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where I'm like, ah, I should have ghosted because I try to do the right thing. You try to do the right
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thing. And you're like, you know what? I'm a, I'm a caller. I'm gonna do it in person or out to send a
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text. And I'm always very polite. I'm like, you know, Hey, listen, uh, it was really nice meeting you.
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I just don't think we really connected. I didn't, I don't know if it was the right,
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right match. I wish you nothing but the best, super polite. And they lose their fucking mind,
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lose their mind. And they could just be like the previous text they sent me was,
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I had such a great time with you. I want to see you again, blah, blah, blah. And then they,
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then they're like, you're a fucking piece of shit. I didn't even want to be with you anyway.
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You're fucking ugly, blah, blah, all this shit, right? I'm like, what the fuck? I was trying to be the
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nice guy. Do the, not ghost you. Right. And then I, I do the thing and then they lose their mind and
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they, they use it and then they'll push. They'll be like, well, why do you want to stop seeing me?
01:11:44.260
No, but I'm like, look, listen, um, I have made my mind up. Right.
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Uh, I don't really want to like dive into it. Sometimes I'll tell them. Yeah. Sometimes I'll tell
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them. If it's, but if it's something that's going to hurt their feelings, it's like, you know,
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like if it's something about the way they look,
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they're like, that's going to give them like long-term insecurity. I'm not going to say it,
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but if it's just something like, oh no, uh, you watch the Kardashians or something. I don't know,
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something stupid like that. You should disclose in the text message. Hey, I could have ghosted you,
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but I'm doing a really nice thing. Oh God. That's perfect. That is exactly what I would do.
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I don't know. I tried to, uh, if they push it, but no good deed goes unpunished.
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It's true. It's true. But I've had girls lose it. Yeah. They lose it.
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And, uh, so sometimes I think I'm kind of like, you know, ghosting is sometimes valid,
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especially for women. Sometimes y'all have likes this guy could be crazy. Yeah. I can see that.
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In some situations, I think ghosting is acceptable. I think you can, at the very least,
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if you send a clear cut breakup text message or you want to end things message, you've been on one,
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two, three dates with this person, whatever. Oh yeah. You send a polite message and they push it.
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I think then once you've made a clear bound, you, you, not a boundary, but you've made it pretty clear,
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like, Hey, this is over. I think you can ghost from there. If they're trying to push for an argument.
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Um, so also wait, I had something for this. Uh, but yeah, I'm very easy to break up with. The girl can
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say, uh, Brian, I, you know, I don't think, you know, it's not, not the fit. I'll just be like,
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okay. I guess that comes from experience. It's nice meeting you. So, you know, it's like when I
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was younger, I'd probably just not even respond. That's kind of a dick move, but yeah. Um, you
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know what? She's ending things. What? I don't, I don't know her. Uh, yeah, you don't, no, you don't
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know her or her if she's ending things. Yeah, no, it's fair. Rose garden. Yeah. But if I've been
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dating her for a while for sending me a text. All right. Sometimes you try to end things and then they
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show up at your job and then they, you can definitely smell alcohol on their breath because
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yikes, you know, they didn't even like, you know, lock up their bike properly. And then,
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you know, you're trying to like, Hey, like you're being a little loud. I mean, you know,
01:14:10.660
you try to call the police and you're like, yoink. And then they break your phone right over their
01:14:15.220
knee. Wow. That happened to me last week, but it can happen. Sometimes it does. Sounds very
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hyper-specific. I might be a bit bummed out, you know, but yeah. Yeah. I'll just be like,
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I'm not going to lose it. I'm just going to be like, all right, well, uh, Hey, it was, uh,
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I understand. It was nice meeting you. Yeah. But it's not going further. You have to detach.
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I understand that. It's a great quality to have. You're easy to, I look for that in a woman.
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Yeah. Cause I want some stock or like I break up with a girl and I feel trapped in the relationship.
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Cause I'm like, Oh shit. She's going to like, and I kind of wonder if you break up in person,
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if it kind of leaves the door open, that's what I was going to say. Because when you're breaking up
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in person, you're seeing facial cues, all these, like even kind of the hint of maybe it can kind of
01:15:05.460
work out. You just don't know. Hold on. I am. Wait, wait, but I've always broken up with my exes
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in person. I just find it as a respect factor, especially two years of a relationship. I'm not
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cold like that. If I, but if I sent a text to a girl who I've been seeing for two years,
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I think she'd justifiably be upset if there's a text, but I think maybe what I, what everybody
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could do, if you're okay with the text, like first date, be like, by the way, if this ends up
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working, I give you permission to just dump me over text message. I don't need to like,
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I don't want to go meet you at the mall. So you can just, I don't want to drive to the mall to
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be broken up with. Just text me. Literally don't waste my time. When it comes to breaking up in
01:15:52.580
person, I actually, you know what? The best sex is don't break up with me sex. So I might
01:16:00.020
have to reconsider mine. It's very earnest. I've done that. I disagree. Gentlemen, if you're
01:16:06.260
considering breaking up with a girl, maybe do it in person because she might be like,
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you might get a last little something, something. I feel like it could be awkward.
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The best sex is don't break up with me sex. Oh God. Trust me. That's kind of fun. I mean,
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that'll do it. Just start to choke them. Yeah. I'm into that. Sorry.
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If you've categorically attracted not so good guys, aggressive alcoholics or something kind of crazy,
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they might have a crazy streak. I can understand some distance. In my case, I've never attracted
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bad guys. You know, they were fundamentally good guys, but just not for me at the time.
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So it's just a respect factor for me. I understand. All right. I'm trying to think if there's anything
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else on the, uh, ghosting thing and breaking up. No, I think that's pretty much it. Um,
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relationship status. Uh, I am currently engaged to my fiance of, uh, six years. It'll be six years
01:17:03.540
this week. Um, yeah. You've been together six years total. Yeah. We were, we met, uh, in college.
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We met on Tinder. Um, what a love story. Yeah. Uh, we did a situationship for about a year and then
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made it official almost a year to the day. So this is your longest relationship. Yes.
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Any other relationships besides this one? I had one in high school. I was a junior
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in high school. We were together for about two years. Um, after I graduated, we decided to end
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things just because we're going to college and I didn't want to do long distance relationship.
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All right. What about you? Um, I am married. Um, we've been together nine years
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We, is this your longest relationship? Yeah. That's my longest relationship. Second longest,
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I think would be actually with my first son's father. I have two boys. Um,
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okay. That was a shit show. Wait, so you have two kids? Yes. Two sons, two sons,
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one from your, you said first marriage or first relationship? Well, he did propose.
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That was a shit show. It should have never happened. Honestly.
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He played music. We were caught up in the moment, you know, it is what it is, but it didn't,
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it didn't last long. Wait, so let's do a bit of a timeline here. Uh, how old were you when you started
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dating the baby daddy? Uh, yeah. 19. 19. How old were you when you got pregnant? Uh, 19.
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How soon into meeting him did you get pregnant? Oh gosh. I think we were seeing each other for like
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maybe three, four months. Not my best hour, not my finest. Okay. And then, so you, and then at 20,
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you gave birth, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I had Jude, um, at 20 and then when he was, yeah. Like Jude Law?
01:18:52.980
Yeah. Yeah. Like, Hey Jude. Hey Jude. Okay. Yeah. Um, gosh. So how long did you stay with him?
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Two years max. Okay. Does he pay child support? He's supposed to. Is, what's the custody arrangement?
01:19:09.540
Uh, I believe, uh, the papers say it's supposed to be 50, 50, but, um, so just for background,
01:19:16.580
we met, I, I'm from Maryland. We met in Maryland. The whole thing happened in Maryland. Um, I met my
01:19:23.460
now husband in 2016. Um, we got married in 2017, moved out to Kansas. So now I'm a Midwestern gal. Um,
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um, and he's never been out, not once to see him from Maryland to Kansas. He insists that we need
01:19:41.780
to go there because it was never his decision for me to move out to Kansas. Pretty sure that's not
01:19:47.220
legal. What do you mean? It's not. If you have a 50, 50 custody arrangement. Yeah. Yeah. That's
01:19:52.740
actually very true. What's not legal? You're not. The fact that her baby daddy will not. Yeah.
01:19:59.540
What's supposed to. Wait, wait, wait. Wouldn't it be not, wouldn't it be not legal if you have a 50,
01:20:04.500
50 custody arrangement for you to move your child to a different state? Hold on. When it comes to the
01:20:12.660
legal culpability here, I actually think she's in the wrong. The legally you would be wrong. Well,
01:20:18.340
if you have a 50, 50, if you have a 50, 50 custody arrangement, one of the parents can't unilaterally
01:20:24.420
move the child to a different state. Now I don't know the specifics, but it, you do have a 50,
01:20:31.940
50 custody arrangement. Yeah. When you were living in his state, was he seeing the child?
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Sometimes. Okay. But so did, was there a court order granting you permission to move states? Yes.
01:20:47.700
So you did go to the court and asked to move. Absolutely. Yeah. That's all in the board.
01:20:50.980
Yeah. Just to be clear that definitively you did this, you went to the court. Yes.
01:20:57.540
Okay. He didn't dispute this. So he was, he didn't like it, but I mean, also, hold on. Wait,
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how did you wait if there's the 50, 50 in place? Yeah.
01:21:10.260
Basically what had happened was they, uh, they altered the agreement to where like, you know,
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he's supposed to go there for summers and then, you know, Mike's supposed to come out here and,
01:21:20.100
you know, while out here, out to Kansas to see him, but that never really happened. Yeah.
01:21:24.900
So, and also it got to a situation to where it was like, ah, you know, are you, are you good? Like,
01:21:30.020
are you okay? Like, I'm not going to send my, my little kid out there, you know, to be in a
01:21:35.540
potentially, you know, not so great situation. So I earned on the side of conscience of caution.
01:21:49.220
Because he doesn't come out and he doesn't, he doesn't partake in his visitation rights.
01:21:53.140
But I'm a little confused. You were initially in breach because you were alienating.
01:21:59.860
Well, when you were still living in the state that he was living in, you were preventing him from.
01:22:06.260
Didn't you just say that you thought in your determination that things with him were shifty.
01:22:20.340
Oh, the customer, the new custody arrangement is.
01:22:24.420
When you moved here, your, the kid would go to him in the summertime.
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And then he's also supposed to come out here to visit.
01:22:34.260
Like there are times when he's supposed to come out here to visit, come out to us.
01:22:40.180
And now, I mean, honestly, there's really not much of a relationship there now.
01:22:43.300
He's, he's usually up to the parents when they want to do the 50, 50.
01:22:50.420
And I don't, I've, it's been years since I've looked at our court papers because now like,
01:22:57.540
So, and they don't really have much of a relationship now that way because my son's
01:23:09.540
So initially though, when you were contemplating this move.
01:23:16.180
No, but before you moved, when you were contemplating the move, you said from Maryland to Kansas.
01:23:41.140
So, did you take into account what the father wanted?
01:23:59.860
Was he, has he been arrested for like DV or something like that or.
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There either was, or there wasn't domestic violence.
01:25:05.060
It was like right around about then that I was like, this is probably not a great situation.
01:25:14.420
I mean, at one point he lived right around the corner and still was not very involved.
01:25:23.220
So you guys were like punching each other or shoving?
01:25:36.020
What I remember is that he choked me and I fell back and hit my head on the floor.
01:25:46.020
So you guys were having an argument and you guys were separate, like standing far apart
01:25:53.540
Our apartment was like maybe the size of like a small apartment.
01:25:57.060
So he walked over to you and choked you like this or a little bit more to it.
01:26:01.700
It was like I said, it was a long time ago, so I don't remember all of the details,
01:26:04.340
but basically I think it's surrounded like, you know, like, was it a BJJ rear naked choke?
01:26:11.540
Kind of like a, like a, are you guys a choke slam?
01:26:34.900
So like he would get mad, like if other people were looking at me and he would
01:26:45.460
So can I ask, and I don't mean this in any type of way, and I'm, you know, happy and
01:26:50.420
proud of you for getting out of that situation.
01:26:53.620
But when you were in that situation, because I have had friends who have been exposed to
01:27:01.220
At that point in time, did you excuse his behavior and like lie to the cops?
01:27:07.460
Or were you like, okay, I recognize that this is a problem.
01:27:15.460
A little column A, a little column B, you know, um, again, 19 was not my finest hour.
01:27:25.140
Um, and at the time it was like, you know, this is, this is my son's father.
01:27:30.260
I should probably try and make this work kind of deal, you know?
01:27:34.500
And then like, there were substances that happened to find their way into our house.
01:27:41.540
And then, you know, just, it got from bad to worse.
01:27:45.700
And it became like a situation to where like, this is not good.
01:27:56.980
And if he can put his hands on a female, then he could put his hands on a kid.
01:28:05.300
Um, but it just, it wasn't, it was not a good situation.
01:28:09.460
And it wasn't, we weren't, we weren't exactly equally yoked either.
01:28:14.180
So, you know, and I know you mentioned you haven't looked at it in a while,
01:28:18.100
but you do technically legally have a 50, 50 custody arrangement.
01:28:22.020
You also mentioned that he's not very present in your son's life at this point.
01:28:31.620
Because he started talking about like some flat earth stuff.
01:28:36.580
He's a little like disconnected from reality at the moment.
01:28:40.500
And, um, I know I have not talked to his mom recently.
01:28:45.060
But I believe my son has talked to his mom recently.
01:28:48.180
He is currently, I think in the midst of a divorce.
01:28:55.060
In the home with his, his current wife of two kids.
01:29:02.900
That's, that's super interesting, but he hasn't made it a big deal legally at all.
01:29:07.140
The fact that he's not super close currently with.
01:29:10.420
I don't think that he would know where to start.
01:29:14.500
Like I started, I started the custody agreement because I mean, at the time that we broke up,
01:29:22.420
you know, we were both completely and totally entitled to our son.
01:29:26.660
He could have come at any time and been like, hey, I'm just going to take my kid and head
01:29:34.420
But before it got to that point, better safe than sorry, you know?
01:29:38.420
And I mean, I really wasn't trying to take his kid away from it.
01:29:40.900
If anything, I was like, hey, like it's your weekend coming up.
01:29:47.700
He went out to visit one of the first summers that we lived in Kansas.
01:29:53.380
And I think, God, he was only like, sure, it was only like maybe seven, eight years old
01:30:00.820
Um, he went out to Maryland and from what I understand,
01:30:11.780
You know, but his father also didn't have a car that was legally his.
01:30:15.700
And sometime in 2014, 2015, I remember he was in a really, really bad accident,
01:30:24.180
Of course, he's not going to tell me anything, honestly,
01:30:36.340
Is to like, no, when a guy doesn't show up for you.
01:30:39.460
No, when a guy is not trying to commit to you, don't have a baby with that person.
01:30:48.660
But yeah, no, it, it was one of those things like where it was, by the time I realized
01:30:57.780
Because it's got to be really hard on him not to have his biological father.
01:31:02.180
So I met my now husband when Jude was like six.
01:31:15.460
Like, but going into his teenage phase, he's kind of going through that identity.
01:31:20.740
Does he yearn for his biological father or he's completely blocked?
01:31:27.460
And did he, did he ever resent you for whatever choice you made in that situation?
01:31:34.660
Cause I know that you mentioned you were basically in charge of arranging the custody
01:31:48.660
Can I ask why you didn't push to take full custody knowing his violent history?
01:31:58.820
I think evidence to really like, and I really didn't want that.
01:32:03.860
If anything, like I wanted him and still, I would love for him to step up and be like
01:32:12.420
But from what I've seen and I'm not a doctor, but he exhibits a lot of like narc traits.
01:32:17.460
Like it's, it's really more about like, like having access to what he wants.
01:32:22.580
And if he doesn't have access to what he wants, he loses shit.
01:32:27.460
Or like, you know, we'll blame other people, blame any other thing.
01:32:34.900
Does your husband and your baby daddy have a relationship at all?
01:32:43.380
You know, people oftentimes in any sort of dispute or conflict or disagreement, there's
01:32:49.220
a tendency for people to do this thing where they downplay or omit their own culpability
01:32:58.020
in a situation or what they did wrong in a situation.
01:33:02.020
They exaggerate or fabricate the ways they acted rightly.
01:33:08.500
They exaggerate and fabricate the ways the other person on the other side of the conflict
01:33:17.780
acted wrongly and they downplay and omit the ways the person on the other side acted rightly.
01:33:28.180
What is his position if he were to articulate his position on the conflict?
01:33:33.380
Is he just going to say, I 100% agree with everything that she says.
01:33:41.700
No, he would say that I am a horrible person for taking his child away.
01:33:55.060
Um, he would probably also say something along the lines of, uh, me being a complete
01:34:13.060
Uh, well, that's everybody's, uh, relationship status.
01:34:16.180
So, uh, you have two kids, two different fathers.
01:34:33.620
Uh, so, uh, we're going to move on to, we have a react.
01:34:37.460
I want to wait until chair number two is back though, to do that.
01:35:01.780
For one Ethereum, we'll pop a ball of Cristal, $500 bottle of, uh, champagne there.
01:35:21.940
We're going to get into some of the pre-show notes then.
01:35:34.420
For, for those of you who are single though, quite a few of you here are single.
01:35:59.220
I look forward every day to hearing her stories of whoever it may be, because it's always someone
01:36:04.820
new and I'll be honest, it's kind of hard to keep up with, but she keeps my life exciting.
01:36:27.140
Now that you're back, we're going to get into our first thing that we're going to react to.
01:36:30.340
So, guys, on Twitter, on X now, I guess, there was a recent major drama, major drama in the
01:36:39.460
right-wing, e-girl, trad thought, conservative community.
01:36:46.500
So, uh, this, uh, conservative influencer girl named Sarah, uh, she was dating a guy,
01:36:52.740
got proposed to, and she posted a photo on X of her ring, which we're going to pull up right now.
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That's her in a field of flowers or some shit with, uh, a ring.
01:37:22.420
Congrats, Sarah, even though she, uh, we, I guess, I, there wasn't a beef, but she talked
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But I, I want to preface this by saying, I actually mostly pretty much side with her,
01:37:34.580
even though we have some like beef from whatever.
01:37:38.580
No, I mean, she talked some shit a couple months ago on fucking X, even though she's
01:37:46.180
But despite that, I just want to say I'm siding with her mostly on this issue.
01:38:00.180
Uh, she writes, hottest right-wing e-girl taken off the market.
01:38:06.500
Parentheses, conservative women will always use their marriage and family to build their
01:38:18.180
To which Sarah responds, once you stop getting ran through by black guys, it could happen
01:38:28.180
Pearl, who I think is in her mid to late 20s, uh, she, she likes black men.
01:38:53.060
Uh, and then this is another, we've had, we've had all these girls on the show.
01:39:00.580
We've had her on the show two times, two or three times.
01:39:05.060
We're not going to focus in too much on that, but I saw it.
01:39:23.220
This is, uh, she's, she's kind of conservative lady, but, uh, not really kind of whatever.
01:39:48.180
So Morgan, if you skip to the bottom there, Morgan, who another cons conservative, I guess, uh,
01:39:57.780
Ho this is in response to Emily saying the ring is small might want to sit this actually
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Uh, Ellie, you're going to read the girl from the bottom Morgan's tweet.
01:40:08.420
You give it up for free, ho might want to sit this one out.
01:40:13.300
And then, uh, read Emily's Morgan, your baby daddy abandoned you.
01:40:17.380
You're raising a bastard child, but yet somehow some way you think you're better than me or
01:40:23.620
You gave it up for free, got left in the dust and now post rage bait on X to supplement
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the inadequacy of your monthly child support payments.
01:40:44.100
None of that is true, Emily, but unlike you, I don't lie.
01:40:48.980
You got fingered in the middle of a hotel lobby at TPUSA event while everybody watched and
01:41:05.140
Morgan, you are a single mother with a public video admitting you have HPV.
01:41:31.860
It's going to be hard to be a trad wife when your man can't even afford a ring.
01:41:35.780
How do you guys expect to have a house, land, multiple kids?
01:41:44.580
Can you actually do the rest in a valley girl accent?
01:41:47.380
Conservative men need to stop being broke and gaslighting women like we don't deserve
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So you want me to give up my job, my career, my financial independence, push multiple babies
01:41:59.540
out of my body, cook, clean, be loyal, and a loving feminine wife forever?
01:42:05.300
And y'all can't even afford a nice ring for us.
01:42:16.020
Oh, and then, so she got, oh, read this in the valley.
01:42:20.820
Women just hate other women, and it boils down to jealousy.
01:42:34.500
That last one though, she was like a couple days before being all catty about the ring.
01:42:39.860
She was saying women are just so jealous of each other.
01:42:48.740
And I think maybe I'll start off by saying this, you know, sometimes we get into conversations
01:42:53.140
on the show and women say something along the lines of, you know, if women ruled the world,
01:43:02.660
Honestly, I think we are more emotional than men, even though men can be very emotional.
01:43:07.940
And I don't think that's anti-feminist of me to say that.
01:43:25.620
As someone that just got engaged, I do feel like that's a pretty, pretty shitty thing to say.
01:43:31.540
I think the size of the ring should never be the sticking point.
01:43:37.860
I think it's how much love and effort you put into the relationship.
01:43:42.820
I, my, my fiance and I, we chose our ring together.
01:43:45.540
However, I would have accepted anything because he's my, he's my man.
01:43:48.980
Um, so I don't, I can see why she said it because I think it is kind of, um, what's the word?
01:43:57.540
Like, it's just like her, like having your hand in a field of flowers.
01:44:05.540
Like, if you wanted the focal point to be the ring, I feel like it should have been on a more,
01:44:09.140
like, I think it was pretty much the center of the, yeah.
01:44:15.860
If you see a hand in a picture like this, it's, I'm looking for the ring.
01:44:18.900
I feel like it's, I feel like, I feel like styles though, different tastes.
01:44:21.940
I just think that's why people were saying it was small.
01:44:24.500
Cause like compared to the field, it was like, it was like, there was too much in the background.
01:44:52.580
I've had an issue with Pearl for a little while.
01:44:58.980
She walks and talks like a football player, you know, and she kind of goes around and she
01:45:04.740
And I, I like, I always supported Kevin Samuels and she kind of goes around asking people to
01:45:09.220
rate themselves, but on a scale of one to 10, what would you rate Pearl?
01:45:12.340
And she's kind of the head of the red female talking point of the red pill.
01:45:19.780
I mean, I, I, I put her in the same camp as like, um, who are those guys fresh and fit?
01:45:33.140
And she's actually like the people that are like living the values, right?
01:45:38.020
Also, I think we spend entirely, entirely too much time on the internet and we put
01:45:42.100
entirely too much credence on like what we post on the internet.
01:45:54.580
Well, I have a question because I don't know who these people are to be completely honest,
01:45:58.340
but I was very entertained by that little discourse.
01:46:04.020
I'm assuming lifestyle, maybe political, because you mentioned
01:46:11.380
Like, I don't know if you're getting engaged, obviously you're going to post about it.
01:46:14.500
I don't know if it was valid for that other woman to be like,
01:46:20.420
Like, no, this is just something that happened in her life and she's sharing it, right?
01:46:27.700
I feel like, I feel like regardless if she was a content creator or not,
01:46:31.380
she still would have posted a picture of the engagement.
01:46:35.140
I think just the backlash she got for it was a little extreme.
01:46:38.180
Yeah, I think it was like fueled by other things.
01:46:41.060
But it kind of goes to show the issue with the conservative movement.
01:46:45.380
The women are highly feminist, but in such a level where they can't,
01:46:49.380
you can't even say they're conserving anything.
01:46:51.380
There's nothing traditional about conservative, most of them.
01:46:55.220
But that's why I left the conservative movement, because I noticed this.
01:46:59.060
You know, they're willing to do degenerate things,
01:47:01.060
promote wear bikini shots, look like OnlyFans models online,
01:47:11.860
That's super fair though, because from what I understand of you so far,
01:47:17.140
you just align yourself with traditional values, which is what conservative women preach,
01:47:22.500
but maybe don't necessarily actually fall into.
01:47:26.660
And there's a total lack of consistency with their message and how they dress
01:47:35.780
I mean, ultimately, look, I think she just posted a picture of her hand in a ring.
01:47:49.140
They're like, well, why are you like the caption?
01:47:53.540
Why aren't you posting any pictures with the husband?
01:47:57.460
Of the, you know, why aren't you posting a picture together?
01:48:00.820
I don't know if she's public with the guy though.
01:48:03.700
I've seen a picture of them, but she's kind of private about it.
01:48:07.940
It should be that, because she's not in a safe arena politically.
01:48:18.100
And I mean, but Pearl initially, her initial criticism wasn't the worst.
01:48:25.380
It was, but then when Emily came in with the ring size thing, and then, well, I mean,
01:48:32.900
look, Sarah responded to Pearl, probably not the most, well, I guess that's on brand for
01:48:43.060
Sarah, like with the second black dick comment, um, probably a little, uh, women will escalate
01:48:58.260
Like a person can slightly do something wrong and you're just going to like murder them.
01:49:07.140
Whereas I feel like men are a bit more proportional in their responses.
01:49:14.100
Like the guy who, a guy, not to say that guys can't go nuclear, like, for, and when I,
01:49:21.220
I mean, if somebody calls me a stupid doo-doo face and then I tell them that their mother
01:49:29.140
never loved them, that's like an escalation that's a bit, you know, it's a bit, you know,
01:49:35.700
it's like I would give a proportionate response when you're, you're a butt face.
01:49:40.100
That's proportion, you know, to, you're a doo-doo face, but you're a butt face.
01:49:44.580
But like, somebody will just say, oh, you're, you're a doo-doo face.
01:49:48.980
Well, your mom never left you and I hope you die.
01:49:51.700
Like, that is, that's the, y'all women sometimes, not all the time, go nuclear, you'll, you'll
01:50:01.700
Is it bad that it sounded like, to me, that you just won the conversation?
01:50:11.300
The fringe meeting is funny, I live for the bit.
01:50:19.780
Oh, there's a, oh, really quick, we'll just do somebody's TikTok, one of you has a TikTok
01:50:23.220
that I saw, make it full screen, no audio reminder on that.
01:50:28.580
I'm out of storage, but tag me and I'll repost it.
01:50:31.940
I have like a fake account on TikTok, I'm like just scrolling.
01:50:44.900
My best friend matched with a man on the dating app, and we thought it was a party, but it
01:50:48.740
turns out it's a dating couch to see who, so can you explain that, what happened?
01:50:52.420
Okay, so I actually, I actually misinterpreted the entire situation.
01:50:56.180
Um, he was a dating coach, and I heard couch, so I already posted the video, and I was like,
01:51:02.580
whatever, I was like, I'll just leave it, like, and I guess he saw it, but you can explain
01:51:07.780
the story, because I was just like, not there at all.
01:51:11.540
I just was like, I'll just post something, I misinterpreted on my end.
01:51:16.500
Wait, so it was a, you matched on a dating app?
01:51:21.020
She posted the video, I was the one it was about.
01:51:25.980
And he invited you to like a film shoot or something?
01:51:28.960
Well, he's, like, I don't meet up with guys solo for the first time, it's like, you need
01:51:34.120
to be in a public space, like, I don't trust you, I don't want to meet up with somebody
01:51:38.040
I don't know for the first time, like, I need it to be very public, or, like, around, like,
01:51:43.280
a double date or something, just in case, like, something were to happen.
01:51:47.360
So, he was like, oh, just come to this party, and I was like, okay, yeah, sure.
01:51:51.960
He was like, you can bring a friend, and so I went, and it was like, I don't know, 15 girls
01:51:57.880
on a couch, and two guys there, and I was like, is this a party?
01:52:03.100
And he was like, yeah, it's a party, and I was like, this doesn't look like a party,
01:52:07.580
and, like, he was like, yeah, we're just going to go around and, like, do icebreakers,
01:52:12.020
get to know everybody, and then he, like, was asking dating questions, and I had, I
01:52:18.200
know, like, I knew a few girls there, and I was like, oh, like, how do you know him?
01:52:22.740
And they were like, oh, dating apps, like, we sleep with him, and I'm like, did you, like,
01:52:30.100
Like, so I texted him, and I was like, hey, what's going on?
01:52:33.840
Like, is this where you just try and find a girl for the night?
01:52:38.660
And he basically was like, oh, come down to my bedroom and, like, talk, and I was like,
01:52:46.920
So I, like, confronted him, like, outside of the circle, and I was like, hey, I know this
01:52:57.360
And he, like, kind of explained, oh, I'm a dating coach, and I just try and figure out
01:53:03.980
situationships with women and try and coach them on their dating skills.
01:53:07.700
I try to coach men on their dating skills, and I just, like, I'm trying to find somebody,
01:53:25.800
He was like, like, he tried to get me to hang out multiple times, and I was, like, kept
01:53:32.280
And then he was like, oh, like, I get you're uncomfortable, like, meeting up solo.
01:53:40.720
And then that was the idea of the party, was to, like, just find a girl for the night.
01:53:50.480
It was all girls that he slept with previously, and I was, like, the new girl.
01:53:56.820
Was he expecting, like, a sexual experience with all of you guys?
01:54:02.580
Was he expecting, like, something more between all of the entire group?
01:54:06.860
No, I think he said they do those parties, like, every week.
01:54:12.340
And he, like, has those girls there every week, and they're just friends now.
01:54:16.800
And it was just very weird, because one of the girls, like, slept with my roommate.
01:54:25.160
It was just, like, I don't even want to be here.
01:54:28.060
And he, like, kept inviting me over afterwards, and I just didn't go.
01:54:41.780
Because we walked in on one of the meetings that they had.
01:54:44.460
It was, like, him doing his coaching thing with all these guys there.
01:55:06.860
The hag next to Brian says her son doesn't resent her for stealing him from his father.
01:55:13.580
But trust me, once he learns how women behave writ large, he will.
01:55:27.020
Do you have a response to, like, what he said, though?
01:55:35.820
So, I mean, if he wants to, like, later on have, like, this in-depth relationship with him, I'm not stopping him.
01:55:48.620
We're going to go into some of the pre-show notes that you guys had sent in before the show.
01:56:00.660
Tell us about, here, why don't we start with the disagreements first?
01:56:03.820
You said you disagree with the red pill movement.
01:56:06.600
Encouraging established men to date much younger women in their 20s.
01:56:15.320
They're at totally different stages of their lives.
01:56:17.440
So, you know, men, when they reach an established point of their life, they really worked hard to get there.
01:56:26.580
So, if we're talking about dating women, you know, in their 20s who have nothing to lose, they don't even probably know who they are or care about the guy enough to value him or that, she can take him for everything he has.
01:56:43.560
It's actually a liability to his well-being to bring such a young person into his life romantically.
01:56:51.820
She has more of an incentive to take everything from him.
01:56:54.400
So, I think with myself, for example, in my 20s, I didn't really know who I was.
01:57:00.080
That's why my relationships at the time didn't work out, because I was figuring myself out.
01:57:04.620
But I couldn't imagine getting married and bringing kids into the situation.
01:57:12.860
So, although in my 20s I was more, let's just say, because it's true, you're more attractive, more physically fit in your 20s.
01:57:19.460
So, physically I had more of an appeal to a guy, but emotionally I was not able to give him what he wants and to fulfill his needs.
01:57:27.980
In my 30s, I'm not as attractive as I was in my 20s, but my mind's in a different place, completely different place.
01:57:34.280
What needs do men have that you can fulfill in your 30s but not in your 20s?
01:57:42.260
So, you were not, I thought you said you were always traditional.
01:57:44.260
I would say, but emotionally speaking, I had issues, you know.
01:57:49.380
So, I wasn't able to fulfill the duties of tradition as opposed to now.
01:57:59.480
I didn't know what my purpose was, all these different things.
01:58:01.820
But little did I know my purpose is very simple, you know.
01:58:04.820
In my mind, what my purpose would be and what I want is to be married and have kids because that's my legacy.
01:58:13.240
So, that's what I look to fulfill and I'm ready to fulfill that and to be an asset, not a liability.
01:58:20.520
But assuming, like, if it is the case that for some men, they have this preference for dating younger women, I guess what is your objection there?
01:58:30.900
Because you say you disagree with that, I guess?
01:58:32.520
They can, whatever they prefer, they can, they can do, they can fulfill that on their own.
01:58:36.680
It's not necessarily against what's an innate preference, but just something for them to think about.
01:58:48.220
But I can't, you can't stop them to do what they want to do.
01:58:50.620
So, you're saying, well, you're saying a young woman can be more of a liability than an older woman?
01:59:07.280
I'm able to, I, I, I understand my place and I want to fulfill that.
01:59:12.680
But in my 20s, I could not actually articulate that.
01:59:16.280
So, at the time I could take somebody for everything they have.
01:59:19.500
I'm not saying I would do that personally, but it's possible, you know.
01:59:22.880
But you could still take somebody for everything they have.
01:59:28.080
But I just think, again, it's just more of a sketchy situation with younger women.
01:59:34.160
And also, biologically, our prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until we're like 26, 27.
01:59:43.520
And my issues at the time, you'd never, I would never guess I'd actually get out of it.
01:59:46.700
But I'm so far out of it and I got the light that I'm like, oh, wait, everything's okay.
01:59:56.260
Just seeing the light as in the issues that you had in the past.
02:00:02.760
I actually overcame them on my own and took accountability.
02:00:06.700
What do you think about the notion that women, younger women are more mature than older men?
02:00:17.280
I felt like emotionally and maturity-wise, we were at the same, not the same, but like a little bit closer in level than like, you know.
02:00:28.640
I'm talking like a guy in his 40s, 50s, dating a 20-year-old.
02:00:32.760
That's a really big age gap and really a different life cycle.
02:00:37.640
I think that women tend to mature quicker than men, just to generalize.
02:00:43.020
She always told me to kind of go for older guys because guys take forever to mature, it feels like, you know.
02:00:48.800
So, yeah, I think that obviously, I think that there obviously is a power dynamic when you are dating someone.
02:01:03.320
I think that, well, you know, you're an 18-year-old girl compared to a 25-year-old guy.
02:01:12.200
He has like seven years of life experience on you.
02:01:17.440
Yeah, but I don't know why we just, but you agree some people mature at different rates.
02:01:23.780
I'm just saying it's something to acknowledge, not that there's anything inherently wrong with it.
02:01:29.560
Because I do think that, I mean, you guys are engaged.
02:01:33.760
And I also, my most recent ex was like five years older than me.
02:01:40.720
And also, I also think like what women want nowadays, like the stability, the financial freedom, is you're going to find that in an older man.
02:01:49.040
We're not dating someone that's the same age as me because we just don't, we're just, it's just financially, there's just no way.
02:01:59.500
I noticed men after 30, they really start figuring themselves out and they kind of just age like fine wine after that.
02:02:06.000
So, it's kind of like, oh, they really, they're more established.
02:02:08.840
It's very attractive when they get to that point.
02:02:10.840
Let's go back to this power dynamic thing, though.
02:02:13.660
What, I don't really get what that means and what the implication is there.
02:02:17.800
Like, are we just supposed to acknowledge that there is a power dynamic, but go ahead and date the person anyway?
02:02:23.280
No, I think it's something to just be mindful of.
02:02:27.000
Yeah, I think what I mean, let's say I'm an 18-year-old girl and my boyfriend at the time is 25.
02:02:33.400
I think that there may just be a controlling element in dating somebody who is a little bit more established in career in their life.
02:02:54.280
But, like, I mean, if you're 18 and you're dating a 25-year-old, it doesn't...
02:02:57.740
Like, you don't think that's inherently a little...
02:03:05.400
I don't think in every situation it's weird that a 25-year-old guy is dating an 18-year-old.
02:03:11.500
But I think it does raise the question, why aren't they dating someone their own age?
02:03:23.620
If you're 25 and you're dating someone who is 18...
02:03:38.860
If you are a guy and you're 25 and you're further along in your career, you want to date somebody
02:03:44.100
that, you know, you're interested in that's 18, I mean, you could lay the groundwork for
02:03:59.360
Is teaching your partner your likes and dislikes and vice versa, is that grooming?
02:04:12.060
Would that be grooming if it was people of the same age?
02:04:14.560
It would be grooming if he was 25 and she was 16.
02:04:23.180
As a 25-year-old, I would never even look in the direction of an 18-year-old.
02:04:30.980
Yeah, women's preferences are different, though.
02:04:45.160
So you're saying, oh, well, these older guys who prefer to date younger women, they do that
02:04:49.820
because they can't find women their own age to date.
02:04:52.660
I would argue, though, that a guy who's attractive enough to date a younger woman is going to be deemed attractive by the women in his own age also.
02:05:03.460
Because as a woman or as a guy, in order for you to be attractive to a younger woman, you can't just be the average 30, 35-year-old guy.
02:05:15.040
So most of the time when a younger woman dates an older man, it's for money.
02:05:22.120
A 45-year-old dating a 25-year-old, it's usually going to be for money.
02:05:27.480
But, like, for example, a 20-year-old with a 30-year-old don't necessarily think it's because of money.
02:05:32.200
It could just be that guy's really attractive and he wants to date a 20-year-old and she wants to date a really attractive guy who has his shit a bit more together than, like, the other college frat boys that she's dealing with.
02:05:47.140
And to your point, all I'm trying to say that makes me, you know, raise an eyebrow at a 25-year-old dating an 18-year-old girl is you commented on about it yourself, how you feel that you've matured and learned so much now in your 30s versus your 20s.
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I think that not everybody is at a high level of maturity at 18.
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And I think that some guys know that and there could be room for exploitation in those.
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I don't know why you're, like, gasping like I'm saying something crazy.
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I think holding the expectation that there's always a sense of exploitation is a problem because I don't think that's the case.
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What would you say about women 25 dating an 18-year-old?
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I think I truly believe every situation is circumstantial.
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But I think that I've met incredibly immature 18-year-olds and I've met incredibly mature 25-year-olds that I think would not make any sense together.
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Yeah, but there's kind of a sense what you're framing it with exploitation.
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And I don't think guys, most of them, have that sort of intention with women.
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It's just, you know, something I would consider.
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As somebody who was 18 and dated a 25-year-old, I'm just going to input real quick.
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I completely get what everybody at this table is saying.
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And, like, when I was 18 and I was dating a certain 25-year-old, like, sometimes it would
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feel more of, like, a mentor-student type thing instead of a relationship.
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Not because, like, he was trying to purposely put me down or anything, but because he had
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knowledge that, like, I just hadn't experienced yet.
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But sometimes when we would talk about, like, my issues or my problems, he would more come
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to it of a standpoint of, this is what you need to do, and I know better because I'm
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So I completely, yeah, I completely get what you're saying.
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Well, I feel like you're misconstruing what she's saying.
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Just, I was just, I was just saying, I was just saying that sometimes, like, like, when
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not saying I don't want advice from my partner, but there is a fine line between getting advice
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And she was saying it was a mentor and worship role.
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Sometimes, sometimes when we would talk about stuff or, like, or, like, he would give me
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advice on things, it would feel more of a mentor, mentee type thing versus we're in
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a relationship boyfriend, girlfriend, like, type thing because it didn't feel like he
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It felt like he was telling me what to do because he had these life experiences.
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Did you have the conversation of, like, hey, when you say it this way, when we have these
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We did, we did have that conversation multiple times and he just, like, wasn't getting it.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what's the conversation you had?
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Like, for example, like, a conversation that I had with him was I was preparing a scene
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for class and there was, like, a trigger warning in it that I wasn't particularly comfortable
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with and because we were picking the scenes, I, okay, go ahead, go ahead.
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Well, I'm not going to say what the trigger is.
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Just, yeah, but, um, trigger warnings and, okay.
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But he, like, but, but, like, I told him, I was, like, I feel like since we haven't turned
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in the scene yet, I'm going to talk to my partner about switching the scene because
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I'm extremely uncomfortable with this role and the way that she's portraying it's just
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And the way we were talking, like, the way he was talking to me, he was, like, he was,
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like, well, in the industry, you're not going to be able to change your scene.
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So if you already picked it, you should just do it because in the industry, like, I'm, because
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in the industry, they're not going to let you change it.
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And all I was trying to explain to him was, hey, we haven't turned in the scene yet.
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It's not like it's set in stone that I have to do it.
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If I can pick a scene before then, I'm going to choose a different scene.
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And he was just, like, and he was just, like, I just think it's stupid that you're not
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listening to me because if you already chose the scene with your partner, I don't think
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And what are you going to do if your partner doesn't want to change it?
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And you should just learn how to deal with it because in the real world, you're not going
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I don't know if that's an age thing as more as just his personality.
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And, like, it felt like he was telling me what to do and more of, like, he wasn't giving
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And I have a question for you just because I also have been, like, in a, like, little
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I experienced some people who didn't even bat their eyelashes at that, but I also did
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So I am just asking you, did you experience any of that in your personal life when you
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Sorry, I'm trying to make eye contact with her.
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I, at first, yeah, especially when I brought him home to my parents, they're like, oh,
02:11:16.940
he's a little older, but I, I think I've, I've kind of set myself up to, like, want an
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So I kind of already had the mindset going into that.
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Like, yeah, like you said, like, it could be a, a, a little bit of a power dynamic just
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because he's a little older, a little more established, and I'm not, I'm just starting
02:11:41.840
You know, I was thinking about this the other day, this power dynamic thing and how older
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guys supposedly have more power in a relationship because of, like, material, either material
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or they're more mature, but I was, I was thinking, like, I think there's this unspoken power dynamic
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that exists between somebody who does have power and then somebody who doesn't.
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So, for example, and this would be somebody who has less to lose.
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So, like, let's say there's somebody really famous dating a nobody.
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We would say, okay, there's a power dynamic that exists here.
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This person's really rich, they have status, influence, whatever, and they're dating a
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But I was actually thinking the power dynamic exists in the other way because here's this
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And if this other person comes out and tries to destroy this other person's reputation, well,
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reputationally, that can't really go both ways.
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But many women ruin famous men's reputations all the time, sometimes justified, oftentimes
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just, he broke up with me, I'm upset, let me just ruin this dude's reputation or put stuff
02:13:09.220
Um, and it's difficult when you're the person in a relationship who does have something to
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It's usually never beneficial for you, depends on the, you know, accusation or whatever,
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almost never beneficial for you to respond to it because you're giving oxygen to it when
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otherwise if you ignore it, you hope it just doesn't give it any oxygen, you just move on.
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Uh, but oftentimes, yeah, I think a lot of the times there's a, there's a reversal, a flip,
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an inverse of the power dynamic where the, the person who has less to lose can go scorched earth
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And I, I guess one example I could think of this is like, let's say somebody, somebody has
02:13:58.880
Like they could just, I don't know, they could cause drama.
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And this is assuming like in a relationship dynamic, there wasn't anything, there wasn't
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Just this person is bent out of shape because this other person wants to end the relationship
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I hear you on that, but the reputation, I think if that person that has the, not as much
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reputation as a person that they're trying to attack, I think I would also think of like,
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um, does that person, how am I trying to say this?
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Like, would that person, would you give that person the time of day?
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Like if you're a nobody and you're accusing or you're doing something, I'd be like, all
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It's kind of like, I can see where you're going, but I think also the reputation or the
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You know, like how likely are you to listen to that?
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And I hear where you're coming from and that does happen sometimes and they do succeed
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in their prerogative of destroying whoever it may be, whether it's for valid reasons or
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But I feel that's an anomaly in the typical power structures of the type of relationship
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You know, like somebody extremely powerful who feels untouchable, like Diddy, to be honest,
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you know, and like that whole power structure with, you know, Cassandra and everyone else
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We don't have to get too into that, but that's kind of where my mind goes in the most extreme
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of ways when we're talking about that particular power structure in this industry.
02:15:37.040
Well, there's a lot, I don't know the details of the Diddy case.
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And in fact, I mean, he was caught on camera, right?
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So, I mean, there's clear irrefutable evidence, not just like he did this.
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But I think the principle would still even apply then.
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You see someone like him, and of course he apparently did do really terrible things,
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We don't live in a system of justice, so I don't, I don't, he might get off.
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I don't know the details about the case, but like, reputationally, the guy's done for.
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I mean, totally done for, and I don't know if that's a great example, though.
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I'm trying to think if there is like a recent celebrity.
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This was at like the height of the Me Too movement.
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He went on a date with a girl, and she, she Me Too'd him, and the, the, the headline was,
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Like there's, everything was consensual, but she just didn't like the sex, I guess.
02:17:08.860
And she went on, and, but he kind of, it was at the height of the Me Too, he kind of got
02:17:13.060
a little bit canceled, a little bit, but you read the article, she just wasn't really feeling
02:17:24.680
But she had consensual, I think they, they had sex, it was consent, well, yeah, you fucked
02:17:38.380
Has anybody been following on TikTok the, I'm in love with my psychiatrist, Kendra?
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There is this girl on TikTok, wait, this relates to what you were saying, but she like has this
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like almost 30 part series about how her, how she's been in love with her psychiatrist, and
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like everything that happened, and like as you're watching it, it's literally nothing.
02:18:03.820
Yeah, and she, she's saying stuff like, like, like, like there was this one example where,
02:18:08.380
she like, she like was talking about doing in-person visits, because they were meeting
02:18:12.880
on Zoom, and she was like, and she was like, oh, can I like have an in-person visit?
02:18:18.060
And he was like, no, I don't really do in-person visits, I more do Zoom, and like her interpretation
02:18:23.040
of that was, oh, he doesn't want me there, because he knows that if I'm there, there's
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going to be so much tension in the room that we're just going to like, put each other's
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And it was like, like, she was saying like stuff like that, and then she was like, the
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entire time he kept up his boundaries, he just couldn't let himself go with me, and
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Like, like, like what she's saying, it's just him, it's just him putting up boundaries.
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Like, like, he's not reciprocating anything, and she's saying it as she's like explaining,
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he's like, I love his boundaries, but like, he's in love with me, and he's been stringing
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But nothing she's saying is corroborating that.
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But that type of behavior, we need to get better at calling out, though, because that's
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Yeah, people were, and then she turned off the comments, but I've been following Kendra.
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I mean, the whole thing is like, I haven't kept up with whatever, and I just walked into
02:19:10.240
this conversation, but it's her being in love with her psychiatrist, right?
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So clearly she's mentally ill, that's like an established fact.
02:19:31.960
She's like a serial dater, and she goes on dates every couple days.
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It's been a few years she's been going on dates, and people are like, are you really
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She's like in New York, and she's dating multiple.
02:19:48.960
I would put money that she asked ChildGPT for interesting video calls.
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The only person I've seen that's remotely close to that is this dude named Ryan.
02:20:02.000
He has insane stories where he throws parties at his house, and he hooks up with all these
02:20:07.360
girls, and he goes on TikTok and tells story times about it.
02:20:16.780
The minute we started monetizing bullshit on the internet is the minute that we saw this
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In our culture, obviously, rage bait thrives on social media.
02:20:43.200
People play character, which is very interesting.
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Social media is just such an oversaturated market.
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I feel like, how do you stand out without being authentic?
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But we're selling our authenticity for clicks and monies.
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And it's like, you could be living a much better life without all of that shit.
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Yeah, I mean, humans weren't created to live this way, but that's our society.
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No, you can do what you do because you can be an example to other people.
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Most of the women in my age range are girl bosses, a.k.a.
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How likely is someone to walk away when they've spent their life believing men are supplemental?
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Yeah, just, you know, I think when you want to date a high quality woman who doesn't necessarily need a man, you just need to try to make her life easier in whatever regard that means.
02:22:13.360
What makes her high quality if she doesn't need a man?
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Like, what are the characteristics that a high quality woman has who doesn't need a man?
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This is me personally, and this is not affiliated with any political stance.
02:22:28.460
I think that a high quality human being is just someone who tries to be a positive impact on the people around them and who are passionate and driven.
02:22:36.340
And they're working toward their goals, whether they're going to school or they have an established career.
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They're just driven and motivated and they're respectful.
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I don't have a specific, oh, this is what women have to do to be high quality versus men.
02:22:55.960
We could have a conversation about gender roles if we want to get into that.
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But I think I just meant more high quality person.
02:23:01.760
And if this commenter had something more specific in terms of the type of women he's talking about, I think I'm not about feminism at all.
02:23:13.100
I've been anti-feminist since high school because it's really destroyed dating and getting married and having kids.
02:23:23.920
Because an unequal society is what I would call a safe society.
02:23:28.520
What I understand about feminism, it's a civil rights movement in the West.
02:23:38.020
Because it creates, it placates off of the natural inclination for women to be corrupt.
02:23:55.680
And the reason why I've been anti-feminist since high school, because again, I'm a product of the-
02:24:30.540
Women have a particular innate capabilities that can make them very corrupt and manipulative.
02:24:37.280
And I noticed with feminism, it really magnifies that.
02:24:39.880
Because it actually calls it a civil rights movement in the West.
02:24:43.400
And it's a fake civil rights movement in the West.
02:24:45.860
But it really just ends up becoming a big government situation, which is what most civil rights movements in the West is all about.
02:24:54.440
It doesn't really, it's not an inequality thing.
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But I'm at the point now where I'm like, less rights for women, the better.
02:25:02.780
Because it's actually becoming such a cancerous society.
02:25:16.720
You were making a face when she was talking about not liking feminism or whatever.
02:25:23.720
So I'll give you guys all a chance to state your disagreements, I guess.
02:25:30.220
I'm a content creator that focuses on fashion and beauty content.
02:25:44.160
Making sure women feel like they should be able to be independent.
02:25:50.380
They can have a successful job and career without relying on a man.
02:25:56.080
A man should be able to support you and support your dreams and careers and aspirations without
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I don't think anybody technically needs a man to do any of that.
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I think you can want one, but I don't think a woman needs one.
02:26:13.340
I am financially independent, always have been since I was the age of 15.
02:26:18.080
I've always had a job, always knew how to work, knew how to pay my bills.
02:26:21.900
I never needed any support from anyone, including my family.
02:26:29.120
So without women's rights, are you saying that women shouldn't be able to be successful?
02:26:38.180
I want to live my life the way I want to live it.
02:26:40.880
I don't want it to rely on what a man wants me to do.
02:26:44.440
Do you want kids or marriage or anything like that?
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I want to be married, but I don't want kids because I'm just not a person that finds a
02:27:02.220
What's the point of getting married if you're not going to have kids?
02:27:03.880
To be happy, I just want, right, that is the purpose of marriage.
02:27:07.840
Literally, the point of marriage is to have kids.
02:27:11.260
I thought the point of marriage is to have a life partner.
02:27:20.220
You can stay with somebody for your whole life without marriage.
02:27:29.820
I want to have, like, a partner that supports me through everything I do.
02:27:33.040
I want to support them through everything that they do.
02:27:38.000
I personally want to, like, I want to have a wedding.
02:28:00.700
I want to be a wife, but I don't want to be a mother.
02:28:06.520
What about the marriage specifically, absent your own desires?
02:28:12.960
Like, the supporting one another and having that bond.
02:28:36.860
I can want a man, and I do want a man, but I don't need one.
02:28:41.960
I'm kind of on the same wavelength as her because it's like, I mean, I don't need a man, but I want one.
02:28:48.580
Like, I moved across the country, like, by myself and found a place within the two days.
02:29:11.660
Yeah, I particularly am, you know, stuck on your claim that you think women should have
02:29:31.840
I don't necessarily believe that women should not vote.
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Because I'm going to sound like a hypocrite, I voted my first, you know, twice.
02:29:43.400
But I started getting into feminism and how it's really corrupted and how women in government
02:29:54.660
And in my view with voting, you know, prior to women voting, men, landowners were voting.
02:30:02.360
But as soon as we gave women the right to vote, they have a proclivity to being commies.
02:30:10.600
I understand, I think, the generalization that is making you make that claim.
02:30:18.360
And I think perhaps the women that aren't voting in alignment to your values and morals
02:30:23.460
are uneducated women and uneducated people in general.
02:30:30.880
And I know that education is not accessible for everybody in our country.
02:30:34.120
But for, you know, our government to function in the way that is going to be best for our
02:30:40.820
society, I think that there should be a base level of education.
02:30:43.720
Because recently there's been a lot of uneducated people who have been voting.
02:30:48.040
And those are the people who have been showing up and showing out.
02:30:50.840
And I think that maybe those people don't align with your morals and values.
02:31:01.240
Because there's a lot of dumb men who are voting.
02:31:04.120
And just to take away educated women's ability to vote, I don't think that's fair.
02:31:09.780
Well, we're over-educating ourselves in the West.
02:31:18.420
Does that not feel like almost regressive, though, that thought process?
02:31:26.880
I appreciate an imbalanced society where women are not at the helm.
02:31:31.480
When a society is declining, we're putting women on the helm of that ship.
02:31:35.920
And men really have to guide it into stability.
02:31:39.160
Now, I'm not a fan of men who are kind of like feminists, too.
02:31:43.240
There's a lot of guys that are feminists, and they're also a liability to what I would
02:31:46.780
like to see as a traditional, safe, and civil society, you know?
02:31:51.240
A lot of guys are actually allowing this to unfold, and it's very problematic.
02:31:55.780
Did you know that guys actually allowed women the right to vote?
02:32:02.580
Actually, no, most women really weren't, like, for all of that.
02:32:06.860
It's actually a stressful world to get into politics, especially for women.
02:32:14.740
I did not vote the first, I think, like, one or two times that I could.
02:32:22.500
But, like, going back to, like, those years where I could have voted but did not, like,
02:32:35.320
But do you not feel the minority of women who are educated and who do enjoy taking part
02:32:42.020
of our democratic process should be able to vote?
02:32:46.640
You really don't think so just because they don't agree with you?
02:32:50.380
It comes into question if it's really a democratic process.
02:32:53.320
It's an absolute disaster, the democratic process.
02:32:59.100
It's innate to human nature to kind of become in our own tribe.
02:33:02.820
But, yeah, it's not really a democratic process.
02:33:06.360
You had something also you wanted to touch on from a couple minutes ago.
02:33:13.820
So I completely get what you're saying in, like, a you need.
02:33:18.260
I guess maybe because I come from a household where, like, my mom and my dad were high school
02:33:25.980
So my mom had raised me and my sisters and my brother and stuff.
02:33:30.460
So, like, what makes the question I have for you is do you think that after, like, my dad
02:33:36.280
had died, do you think that my mom should have found another man?
02:33:40.220
Because, like, in traditional sense, like, that's.
02:33:50.160
So if she would have walked away from him, it wouldn't have been okay for her to be a
02:33:56.420
Well, she made the choice and now she has to suffer as a single mom.
02:33:59.640
You know, having a two-parent household makes a world of a difference raising children, especially
02:34:12.460
It's dangerous to be in a cohabitation situation.
02:34:16.840
Single mother households can be dangerous, too, because the women are so exhausted raising
02:34:21.880
They might even put children in a dangerous situation just for their comfort level, you
02:34:27.100
And that kind of thing is a liability to the children.
02:34:30.580
You know, a lot of convicts are actually products of single mothers.
02:34:36.900
For almost 21 years of my life, aside from, you know, my mom.
02:34:55.100
And, I mean, like, she's been in a relationship with my, I guess, my stepfather.
02:35:01.620
But I didn't need any man in my life to be like, you know, like, do, like, sports and
02:35:22.480
But my mom was, you know, to say, like, they turn into felons and all this stuff.
02:35:28.620
And she didn't need, she still doesn't need the man that she's with.
02:35:35.740
But, like, you know, I wouldn't say that, oh, they turn into felons or convicts.
02:35:43.680
My father was actually more dangerous than anybody.
02:35:47.600
It's also a statistic that people with two parents' household usually have, like, abuse in the home or, like, mommy or daddy issues.
02:35:55.900
It can, but it can also be, but just as it's statistically that, like, just as it's statistically that, like, people with, like, single mothers are prone to, like, be felons or convicts.
02:36:06.420
That's the same thing that people that come from a two-parent household.
02:36:10.640
And there's two-parent households that have, you know, Jeffrey Dahmers.
02:36:19.660
It actually causes an identity crisis, especially for young men.
02:36:23.520
You know, they need their fathers to know who they are.
02:36:25.920
Women can't really train, teach guys how to be men.
02:36:35.080
Because, well, guys are truly, what I understand, is they're less likely to walk away from a relationship.
02:36:41.800
They'll even suffer in the relationship to save it.
02:36:45.100
You think they're more likely than women to do that?
02:36:49.920
And also, I just wanted to say your claim as well, how abuse in two-parent households isn't as common.
02:37:00.220
So I think that's just something to acknowledge.
02:37:03.140
Well, wouldn't it also not be documented in one-parent households also?
02:37:09.660
No, there's documentation and statistics on that.
02:37:12.860
In any scenario where you say, well, in this scenario, it's not documented, well, then, by extension, it also would not be documented in the other circumstance also.
02:37:23.960
Well, yeah, but if we're talking about children.
02:37:25.720
She's right in the sense that, yes, some crimes or some abuse is not documented, but that would apply across the board.
02:37:33.500
I think we were comparing two different statistics, though.
02:37:35.820
It was kids who become felons in single-parent households versus abuse in two-parent households.
02:37:44.100
So I see what you're saying, but it was two different measures that we were comparing.
02:37:47.080
Well, I think the stat is that people who come from one-parent households, what the stats show is that they're more likely to be criminals.
02:38:01.700
I mean, single parenthood, single motherhood is really put on a pedestal in our society.
02:38:06.080
It's actually cancerous to society because you procreated with this man, and now he's this evil guy that you have to run away from, but the child is a reflection of this man.
02:38:19.720
So obviously what I'm saying is not a sense of every case of single parents, but it's really hard on kids because they kind of end up resenting the single mothers for this behavior because most of the time there's a selfish behavior on the single mother's part to leave.
02:38:39.260
Like, they don't want to sit and actually work something out.
02:38:44.220
We're going to let a couple chats come through.
02:38:47.740
Just so we all know, Chair 5 is the star of the show.
02:38:59.220
She will climb walls soon, and heads will start doing 360.
02:39:08.240
Oh, I think I'm kind of resembling the ring girl right now.
02:39:22.060
What is everyone's take on trauma dumping or trauma bonding as a main source of connection in a relationship?
02:39:57.020
But, like, I think, like, I think, like, trauma dumping can be situational.
02:40:04.500
I think sometimes, like, like, somebody could be, like, in, like, real, like, distress and just, like, really need that.
02:40:12.940
I think trauma bonding, while it can't be good in a moment, I feel like it's nice to know that there is a shelf life for it.
02:40:20.340
Like, sometimes a trauma bond could be something that you need in that moment to heal.
02:40:24.940
And, like, not saying all trauma bonds are, like, good.
02:40:28.240
I've had toxic trauma bonds just as much as the next person.
02:40:31.660
But I have had a trauma bond where that person kind of, like, we healed each other and then we went our separate ways amicably.
02:40:38.800
So, I feel like there is a possibility to trauma bond with somebody and heal from it.
02:40:45.000
Like, you have a shared experience that was extremely traumatic and because of that you have a newfound friendship and or relationship because of it.
02:40:54.000
If you trauma bond, you're, like, literally inflicting trauma on this person and then rolling it back so that they're bonded to you.
02:41:06.520
It's actually creating intimacy based on your shared traumas.
02:41:15.480
It could be your thing, but it could also just be two people who they're not inflicting it upon each other or one person is not inflicting it on the other.
02:41:24.780
They go through a traumatic experience together.
02:41:34.580
There's, like, a set thing as it relates to this.
02:41:42.380
It could be somebody said, I don't know if you said something else on that.
02:41:46.880
No, I just said that it's two people that come with their own traumas and they have an intimate relationship that really bonds them based on those traumas.
02:41:55.300
I don't want to hear a girl's trauma until she's farting.
02:41:59.980
If she hasn't farted in front of me, it should be never.
02:42:13.460
If it's too soon for you to fart in front of me, it's too soon for you to be telling me about your bullshit.
02:42:24.500
So, in other words, don't tell me about your fucking trauma.
02:42:33.120
Like, if she would be uncomfortable farting in front of you, she definitely should not be telling you her trauma.
02:42:40.220
Wait, so you don't believe that your girl should fart in front of you?
02:43:02.840
If it's less than a year and she's already farting, it's over.
02:43:15.480
Like, a year into the relationship, if she starts farting.
02:43:28.220
If you give me a couple weeks, I can get over it.
02:43:31.460
Bro, some of y'all diets are all fucked up and shit.
02:43:41.160
But, what I'm saying is, as it relates to this trauma stuff.
02:43:48.040
If it's too soon to fart in front of your boyfriend, it's too soon to share your traumatic past with him.
02:43:54.580
So, farting in front of your boyfriend is a form of trauma dumping.
02:44:05.500
So, if your girl farted in front of you, you would not want to have sex after that.
02:44:15.160
What if she's like the baddest bitch this planet's ever seen?
02:44:21.840
If she farts in front of you over the one year mark, she's a five.
02:44:30.080
And then, I actually just got a whiff of something.
02:44:49.720
Well, it's also, if it's a noisy fart, because sometimes it's just silent and deadly.
02:45:05.040
This cat has been just, Felicity back here gave me some cat food.
02:45:17.000
Like, she farts so bad, it clears a room, the cat.
02:45:24.060
Felicity got me some cat food, and now her farts are all fucked up.
02:45:30.480
I got a cat, and I'm telling you, I used to look at this cat with admiration, but now
02:45:38.380
I'm just kind of regretting my choice now, because I'm just kidding.
02:45:45.440
But if you can't, if you can't fart in front of your man or your woman, how do you expect
02:45:54.160
Why are you not saying I have farting contests in the morning?
02:45:59.220
Here's what women, here's what women should do.
02:46:01.260
If you, if you gotta fart, and say you're, we're kicking it, you gotta go into another room.
02:46:10.620
I don't care if it's hailing, it's fucking below freezing.
02:46:14.620
You gotta, as women, you gotta go outside, fart out there.
02:46:26.920
I'm letting them rip in front of a girl with, the first couple dates, no.
02:46:30.460
But like, after we've, yeah, like, after a couple weeks.
02:46:37.660
After a couple weeks, yeah, you just let them rip.
02:46:39.460
Wait, so it's okay for you to do it, but not for her?
02:46:46.980
I think it's immature for a woman to fart from.
02:47:08.060
But, you know, look, yeah, it's a double standard.
02:47:12.820
I'm going to hope that you're trolling on that one.
02:47:16.960
This is a great way for you to tell us that you're just dropping massive farts.
02:47:23.500
So, here, tell us, admit it on the internet, that you just fart all the time in front of
02:47:30.600
Do you fart on his, like, you'll go up to him and be like, what were you about to say?
02:47:41.020
I will do a little twirl in the air and I will lift my leg up and I don't care.
02:47:58.620
And I think maybe because we're so comfortable and also I do work in the medical field, I
02:48:04.560
It's not going to be a perfect one-to-one comparison.
02:48:14.420
I'll throw out a couple scenarios and you tell me how it would maybe change the dynamic
02:48:18.560
that you have with your, your boyfriend or you're engaged, right?
02:48:29.360
You are kicking it with your boyfriend slash fiance.
02:48:48.960
No, my boyfriend or my fiance, he's a 6'5", very big dude.
02:48:57.760
I'm saying if he did do that, though, would you be like, ugh?
02:49:05.000
Maybe in the moment, but like not, like it wouldn't, it wouldn't drop him down from a,
02:49:09.980
it's 5 to a 0, like you were saying, and never laughing.
02:49:15.340
Also, farts are not something that you can control.
02:49:19.040
Not everybody is afraid of spiders, but everybody farts.
02:49:24.060
That's why I insist she sleeps in the other room.
02:49:31.400
What if, what if your boyfriend, I don't know if this is realistic, but whatever.
02:49:54.240
Like I actually have like a guy that does do that and I just think it's funny.
02:49:58.540
I'm like, yeah, I think he'll call me queen, he'll call me girly pop.
02:50:01.900
No, but like he just likes, cause that's how I am.
02:50:11.220
Like, so when he does it, I'm just like, oh, like this is so funny.
02:50:19.340
I'll talk Sally and it just pisses everyone off.
02:50:32.740
Not this one, Ellie, but I'm going to have you read.
02:50:45.280
If men and women don't have unique roles, there is no logical reason for one to find and keep
02:50:51.840
Lack of purpose is why we're stuck with hookups and divorces.
02:51:03.620
I do believe in gender roles, but just not to the extremity that you two do.
02:51:07.280
And, you know, I have nothing but respect and hearing your perspective and viewpoint.
02:51:13.660
I think that in every function, like a family, for example, I think about it almost like a
02:51:21.520
business in the sense that everyone has their role to fill.
02:51:24.420
And I think that as women, we have estrogen, men have testosterone.
02:51:29.620
I think that we are biologically just better for certain tasks.
02:51:32.780
Now, that's not me saying that I think we should eliminate the reality of choice, such
02:51:37.820
as if women want to vote, I believe that they should, even if, you know, biologically, because
02:51:44.580
of our hormones and estrogen, maybe women are better caretakers than men.
02:51:49.340
I think that is kind of just a biological truth, but that doesn't mean I think all women should
02:51:54.520
only be caretakers and they only belong in the kitchen and they should have no other aspirations.
02:52:00.600
Well, women do have free will and the right, the right to choose.
02:52:05.220
But what's, but what's kind of meaningful is, is the question you have to ask yourself.
02:52:16.120
I heard a little something going on over there.
02:52:23.380
How do you guys feel about gender roles in our society and our world?
02:52:36.900
I think that everybody in the house has their role, whether that, and I literally agree with
02:52:42.500
Um, I personally, I have felt more in my feminine era with my, my, my fiance, because he's allowed
02:52:54.600
But I understand that's not everybody's reality.
02:52:56.960
So, and kind of going back to what we were talking about earlier is feminism.
02:53:00.660
I think feminism gives you the right to choose which one you want.
02:53:13.000
I have a question for you guys, um, about femininity and masculinity.
02:53:16.600
Do you, do you find with women who are taking these masculine roles or do you think they're
02:53:22.100
safe within themselves being in a more masculine role?
02:53:24.700
Well, actually, can you elaborate on that question?
02:53:29.880
Do they feel safety within themselves taking on a masculine role and kind of going into
02:53:33.900
a more male dominated area if it might not be innate to what they would do?
02:53:38.280
I would say as somebody who identifies as gender fluid and sometimes pushes into those
02:53:43.700
masculine roles, specifically when I'm like dating women, I feel like I am very like, I
02:53:50.160
feel like I'm more confident in a way of it's not something that I'm particularly not
02:53:56.740
necessarily used to, but not something that I, that I push into like, like often.
02:54:02.020
So when I do, I feel like a different kind of confidence and not only confidence, but
02:54:07.700
established within myself of like, not only do I know who I am, but I'm so secure in who
02:54:13.620
I am that I can wear whatever I want, do whatever I want, fit whatever roles that I want with
02:54:19.000
no, like anxiety of the judgment that comes around me because I know who I am inside.
02:54:27.720
Like as like, like just to like, like, I feel like that's really like I'm secure.
02:54:35.180
So with femininity, um, did you guys feel like it's easy for you to be feminine?
02:54:46.320
So without that, if it's situational, you take more of a masculine role.
02:54:51.060
Which is kind of, I would imagine means that you have a lack of safety within yourself.
02:54:59.920
So masculinity, you know, um, because women are in, you know, feminism has, uh, created
02:55:08.020
this masculinity amongst women where they actually have to now go into male spaces and
02:55:12.980
be in a more masculine environment and taking on a masculine aura.
02:55:17.860
You know, um, but what I understand with femininity, since it seems to be like a lost art these
02:55:24.140
There's, there's a sense of safety in being feminine.
02:55:29.580
And not be stressed about doing nine to fives and doing all these things that are meaningless.
02:55:34.120
But to be feminine is like, just like you said with your, your fiance, you feel safe.
02:55:38.640
But I also think like me, cause I'm, I feel like I'm a little more masculine.
02:55:46.000
Cause he's, he's more masculine than I am obviously.
02:55:47.940
So he kind of like helps me bring my femininity out.
02:55:51.080
But I also feel like being masculine, I've had to do that sometimes to kind of be taken seriously.
02:55:57.880
And I know that's, that might be a little weird, but sometimes I have to bring more of
02:56:02.580
an aura to the table because if you don't, you're going to get eaten alive.
02:56:06.860
You're going to get shut down and you're going to be taken seriously.
02:56:08.640
So especially being a business woman and you know, obviously male dominated fields, you
02:56:14.120
have to make sure that your voice is being heard.
02:56:16.520
And sometimes the only way you can do that and get the respect that a man will get, not
02:56:21.220
only the, you know, admiration, oh, she's so pretty, whatever, but actually you're hearing
02:56:24.720
what I'm saying and you're recognizing that I'm intelligent.
02:56:27.340
You have to be a little bit more blunt and a little bit more masculine and be a little
02:56:31.860
less tapped into your femininity to get that necessary respect in the world of business.
02:56:40.560
I was going to say, I don't see how you can't do that.
02:56:46.300
How are you supposed to compete if you're, if you're not even like in the same.
02:56:52.100
Do you think, do you think, do you think when, oh, sorry.
02:56:56.880
No, I was going to say is, do you think that women behaving more masculine, less feminine
02:57:04.140
Some people might align more with masculinity, but it's actually more chaotic and less innate
02:57:10.480
But do you think that the masculinity response is like a trauma response?
02:57:14.940
I think it's just a learned response in art and from society, from history.
02:57:20.020
Men dominate the government, a lot of businesses, a lot of fields that women have aspirations
02:57:28.300
So it's, what else can you do except for learn from the past and the past is male centric.
02:57:36.020
I thought there were more women in government nowadays.
02:57:43.900
But they also had things that they were doing like within the world of like politicking
02:57:52.260
But that's because they did not have the choice.
02:57:59.060
You know, and what does she have to do to get there?
02:58:08.200
For what you were saying too, in terms of femininity, I think that at least for me,
02:58:13.160
and I would love to hear your guys' perspectives too, I heard a lot of situational and circumstantial
02:58:18.400
circumstances when you want to tap into your femininity.
02:58:21.080
But for me, I think, yes, I acknowledge that I'm young, I'm only 20, but I've gone through
02:58:26.580
a lot of life experience that makes me feel pretty secure in who I am.
02:58:30.200
I feel that I know who I am and I'm sure I will discover who I am as the years go on
02:58:38.000
But I feel that my security in knowing who I am kind of allows me the comfort and space
02:58:45.220
to fall more into my femininity than maybe I did when I was a angsty, tomboyish middle
02:58:58.500
I believe that I have a sense of masculine energy almost just because, again, the whole
02:59:05.960
But I feel very tapped into my femininity and how I present.
02:59:16.340
Situationships mean that they do not respect your time or your agency.
02:59:23.700
The hottest woman at the table is the one with greys.
02:59:30.960
Wait, I'm confused, though, because did they not just say women should vote?
02:59:42.960
I think he called you hot at the same time, so.
02:59:45.180
Well, I think that's, I think what he, I'm not, I thank you.
02:59:52.000
For those of you who are single, you said you had a roster?
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I have five guys and two girls on the roster right now.
03:00:34.480
I mean, there are people who I'm interested in getting to know better, but I'm kind of
03:00:38.360
in a place in my life in my career where I want to focus on my projects and, you know, myself.
03:00:44.820
I'm not necessarily interested in having a long-term committed partner right now.
03:00:55.700
Everything's just so fresh, you know what I mean?
03:01:00.340
I mean that I met this guy like three weeks ago and we haven't done anything and maybe
03:01:09.220
I might be interested in him, but I just, I don't need to rush into anything right now.
03:01:13.460
When's the last time you hooked up with somebody?
03:01:36.240
And just Italy, you didn't go to like any other countries?
03:01:41.260
I was just in Greece before that, but they were like two separate trips.
03:01:45.580
And did you, were there any other guys in Italy or was it just.
03:01:56.780
Like a month ago, maybe even two, I was in Greece.
03:02:34.060
How many guys were you hanging out with when you were in Greece?
03:02:37.880
Well, that's an interesting question with certain implications, but I'll just say I had a fun
03:02:43.900
With, oh, it was a singular night that you saw all the guys?
03:02:47.200
I had one fun night and I have nothing more to say.
03:02:50.860
Wait, it was one particular night and there were multiple men in the particular night.
03:02:54.820
I am a bisexual human being who likes being bisexual.
03:03:27.760
And it was each and every way because bisexual.
03:03:41.940
But, I mean, there was just one particular night or were you having some fun on other
03:03:45.940
That was just, no, because I did a group hostel with a bunch of friends.
03:03:50.840
So, I was mostly in my, you know, just enjoying time with my friends, but, you know.
03:03:58.800
But in Italy, your most recent trip to Italy, were there?
03:04:30.320
I've been to, you know, Mexico, Peru, a few other places.
03:04:55.280
Well, you know, it's a very different culture than in America.
03:05:05.920
Did you, while you were in Japan, not with a Japanese guy, but with, like, another tourist?
03:05:12.640
Again, I did a study abroad with my college, USC, there.
03:05:18.100
Basically, just all day, we were touring different companies, studying different classes, and then
03:05:28.020
Yeah, I mean, I hooked up with a French guy when I was in Spain.
03:05:47.180
So, before we get into that, we're just having fun.
03:05:53.660
You know, like, I think in this generation, it's pretty common to have a roster.
03:06:07.180
You know, people can have different definitions of what they consider a hoe or slut or whatever.
03:06:14.220
I simply like to have fun, and I think we're all sexual beings, and there's nothing wrong
03:06:19.140
with having sex if you're doing it in a safe way and you're not hurting anyone.
03:06:29.480
How big was your roster when you did have a roster?
03:06:33.280
Honestly, I wasn't as methodical about it as, you know,
03:06:38.940
It's kind of just, if I meet someone and I connect with them and we both find each other
03:06:43.180
attractive, you know, sometimes things just happen.
03:06:48.100
It was never like, oh, I'm going to see this person on that day and this person on...
03:06:55.140
But there were periods where you'd be dating multiple, like, people at the same time.
03:07:00.740
And when I say date, I use that term pretty loosely.
03:07:09.980
Yeah, there was, you know, there's periods of that for sure.
03:07:29.420
I mean, not for going to their performances, but for...
03:07:49.100
And her and I were literally talking about him.
03:07:50.960
And all of a sudden, he just popped up on my messages.
03:08:01.140
Because it's like, I'm not really interested in even doing that.
03:08:04.640
But, like, you know, when I was with my ex-boyfriend, like, two, three years ago, like, I had a roster before him.
03:08:09.920
And I was just like, well, I guess, you know, I'll take you.
03:08:17.800
But, like, I feel like when I do, it's not like, like you said, like, hanging out with them.
03:08:22.740
Like, oh, like, you know, or, you know, doing things with them.
03:08:31.020
But, like, even before, like, the guy I was talking to, now, like, I was on Hinge.
03:08:39.780
And so, like, obviously, we're both talking to different people.
03:08:42.880
But, you know, just something just clicked, like, you know.
03:08:47.040
When you did have a roster, how big was the roster?
03:08:53.360
Because I just either would ghost them or they ghost me.
03:09:04.340
And, you know, I would always end up them being, like, loyal to that one person.
03:09:18.340
Well, I have, like, I could probably text any guy in my phone that I wanted to hook up.
03:09:25.700
Like, I have, like, I have, like, a list of guys that I'm interested in.
03:09:44.760
And, like, that's the one I'll, like, gravitate towards.
03:09:47.160
But if he's, like, not available, like, I have people I can easily hit up to hang out at any given moment in time.
03:09:53.300
I have massive DMs of just, like, random guys trying to take me out.
03:10:00.860
Like, I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm hooking up with all these people.
03:10:10.100
So, it's just, like, but I have access to a lot of guys that want me.
03:10:16.820
So, how, I mean, if you had to try to ballpark a number, what would you say for the roster?
03:10:22.700
I get calls from guys, like, different guys every day about, like, 20 times a day of different men calling me.
03:11:07.380
There's times where she leaves the room to go on the phone.
03:11:13.260
I usually, like, get these calls and everything, and I usually get yelled at because of how
03:11:18.460
many guys talk to me and how many guys I'm around all the time.
03:11:24.960
Like, the situationship especially, we would always get mad being like, oh, you're always
03:11:32.200
And I'm like, okay, well, you're not my boyfriend, so I'm going to hang out with whoever.
03:11:37.200
Well, question for you, and I know you want to come in, but have you ever tried to maneuver
03:11:50.380
I'm sure they would want to commit to me, like, in a second.
03:12:01.120
Because they're still my, like, I personally think they're my friends.
03:12:08.980
I don't know if they're trying to sleep with me, but I'm saying if I were to ask them to
03:12:17.540
I'd say there's, like, 95% chance if a guy is straight and trying to talk to you.
03:12:24.600
They weren't trying to sleep with me, but if I asked them to sleep with me, they probably
03:12:28.420
Well, that's kind of, yeah, that's what I was giving you.
03:12:31.740
Do you think it's possible, you as a man, to have purely platonic friendships with women
03:12:47.440
In practice, the lines get blurred quite a bit.
03:12:52.400
I think that one of the big things is when you enter into a new relationship, some people
03:13:00.120
might be kind of whatever when it comes to you having friends of the opposite sex.
03:13:09.920
It is realistic to assume that down the road, down the line, that you could get into a relationship
03:13:20.480
with somebody who has a boundary or standard that you don't have friends of the opposite
03:13:26.480
And typically, people are, unless it's a really, really good friend, people are going to prioritize
03:13:30.880
their romantic relationships, oftentimes over their friendships.
03:13:36.360
So if at any given moment, this friendship that you've invested in and developed over
03:13:42.340
time can just be instantly nuked because they have a boyfriend or girlfriend who has this
03:13:48.320
boundary of, I don't want you hanging out with people of the opposite sex.
03:13:52.200
I don't feel like that's a great foundation for a relationship.
03:13:58.160
If you want to have a, you know, a guy friend or a girlfriend, some people are fine with it.
03:14:04.200
But I think it makes for really unstable relationships if at, like, the drop of the hat, they get
03:14:09.940
into a new relationship and this person doesn't want them to be hanging out with them.
03:14:13.920
The other component is that more so from the guy's perspective and the girl has female, male friends, excuse me, the girl has male friends.
03:14:27.860
It can happen, but typically men are not, like, friend zoning a bunch of girls.
03:14:31.920
So, like, if you have a friend group, but initially the guy had a romantic or sexual interest in you, I don't really, like, he's just waiting.
03:14:41.600
So, again, it's logically possible that the guy could have had an initial romantic interest.
03:14:47.680
You friend zone him and then it's a genuine friendship.
03:14:50.160
But even then, I don't want to be dating a girl who's hanging out with a guy who either, well, certainly if he did fuck her or did have a relationship with her, but he wanted her.
03:15:03.540
Most dudes are waiting in the, they're waiting in the wings, waiting for the girl to get single, waiting for their opportunity.
03:15:10.560
And if given the opportunity, like, all of you could probably pull out your phone right now, text your male friend, and allude to wanting to hook up with him tonight, and he's going to jump at the chance to hook up with you.
03:15:25.180
As a woman, to be honest, and, you know, always stay humble, but I think you're all beautiful women.
03:15:33.220
And, you know, creating authentic, genuine male friendships, it's difficult.
03:15:38.300
And I acknowledge that, you know, I think, honestly, majority of my guy friends did hit on me and probably did want to hook up with me at one point.
03:15:47.400
And I would like to think, you know, we have a genuine, authentic friendship at this point, but there's not really much you can do, honestly, as a woman who values your relationship and friendship with this guy.
03:15:57.940
If they feel that way and you don't, yeah, I think a lot of guys do settle in being friends with women that they can't necessarily have something more with.
03:16:09.560
Well, the girl friendzones the guy, but, I mean, his romantic or sexual attraction to you hasn't evaporated because now your friends, like, he's probably like, well, if she gets to know me more.
03:16:26.220
Or maybe it's just that one night, that one lucky night.
03:16:28.680
If I hang out, you guys are hanging out, you guys are drinking a little bit.
03:16:32.180
And then how many stories, yeah, how many stories are like, oh, we started out as friends.
03:16:38.980
Well, doesn't that just have friends with benefits, right?
03:16:46.280
I think there's a difference between friends with benefits and a situationship.
03:16:50.580
I think a situationship is something a little more.
03:16:53.200
Friends with benefits is honestly just friends with a sexual component added into it.
03:17:01.100
Well, I think friends with benefits, friends with benefits to me seems that there's a bit more, I guess, definition to what the dynamic is.
03:17:11.420
Like, it's kind of clear that there's not necessarily, like, there's been some defining that this is a casual thing.
03:17:21.140
It's like, it's like, it's on the tracks, it's on the rails to potentially becoming a relationship, but it's not defined yet as a relationship.
03:17:53.780
Let's see if I have any questions related to the roster.
03:18:12.080
I mean, I believe we're the only bisexual women at this table.
03:18:18.460
But I think that we have more incentive, too, because we get different things from...
03:18:56.660
I use that definition, like, so loosely, though, because, like, when I see other girls, I'm
03:19:04.240
Like, I don't have a crazy high body count or whatever, but by my definitions and my normal
03:19:08.980
lifestyle, it was, you know, higher than my usual activity when it comes to sex.
03:19:18.980
So, basically, I lost my virginity to my boyfriend back in high school, and after we broke up,
03:19:26.540
I did not have sex until, like, my senior year of high school.
03:19:30.120
But once I hooked up with the first person, again, my senior year of high school, it's
03:19:34.460
kind of like the floodgates were open, and I was like, okay, let me have my fun.
03:19:37.500
I'm about to go to college and never see these people again.
03:19:39.680
Like, you know, I had some fun with some people at that point.
03:19:44.480
And then I went to college, and things settled, which I know is shocking, because I went to
03:19:49.560
USC, and it's, you know, some people call it the University of Sexy Classmates.
03:19:53.400
There are very attractive people who go to USC.
03:19:56.820
But, yeah, you know, I was just in a relationship.
03:19:59.180
I broke up, like, we broke up, and I was celibate for a long time.
03:20:05.040
And then, you know, I just became sexually active again at that point.
03:20:08.420
And there was just from nothing to a good amount to, you know, settling, if that makes
03:20:16.620
Curious for, has anybody here ever hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
03:20:23.480
I mean, I did admit that I had a foursome, so does that count?
03:20:31.920
The threesome was a girl and a guy, but the foursome, as I mentioned, two guys and one
03:20:40.900
Yeah, it'd be, like, one guy, and then, like, later in the night, or the next day, another
03:20:50.800
Um, the story was, I had slept with this guy, like, the day before to get back at one
03:21:02.880
Yeah, so, and then the next day, the guy that was already on my roster had asked me to hang
03:21:09.100
out, and I couldn't say no, because he already asked me to hang out, so it was just, like.
03:21:18.000
They were housemates, and I didn't know they were housemates until after.
03:21:29.480
I found out that day, because I walked out of the other guy's room, and then the guy
03:21:34.320
that I slept with the day before was looking dead at me in my eyes.
03:21:51.760
Okay, and then you went back to the house, and then hooked up with the other guy who lived
03:22:04.300
Switching gears here, question for the whole panel.
03:22:09.020
Is it a deal-breaker if a guy uses the word retard or retarded?
03:22:20.380
You dumped a dude because you said the retard or retarded?
03:22:23.180
I think that it is important to be educated on, you know, the history of certain words,
03:22:32.260
including slurs, but I will say that I like South Park, and my humor is a little raunchy,
03:22:40.060
There I say cancel-worthy, but, yeah, I respect everybody.
03:22:52.560
The N-word, that's a deal-breaker, but, you know.
03:23:10.860
It's only a deal-breaker if he won't say retard.
03:23:23.420
Like, I don't know, you, like, spill something, and he's like, good job, retard.
03:23:30.900
He's not, like, actually trying to insult you, you know?
03:23:35.720
Although some people would be offended by that.
03:23:37.040
I remember, this was early in the woke, the woke days.
03:23:49.400
I was on this date with this girl, and we were hanging out.
03:24:02.620
And I think I, I'm trying to remember exactly what happened.
03:24:06.960
I think I either spilled something or, like, I dropped something.
03:24:39.420
So I was, actually, I'm not going to say how I doubled down on it.
03:24:47.880
Not because of the, she, she was like, it was, she, she was literally shaking.
03:24:56.160
Like, how could this guy say, I didn't call her a retard.
03:24:59.540
I wasn't saying, like, I hate people who are actually retarded.
03:25:13.120
Um, I should see if she'd be down to come on the show.
03:25:27.000
It would have been the most retarded relationship ever.
03:25:36.140
The, the, I have somebody special who's asking me to ask a couple of questions.
03:25:40.480
We're going to blast through these really quick.
03:25:42.540
Uh, has anybody here ever gone revenge on the next?
03:25:50.100
Like, uh, it could be, uh, putting baloney on the car on your heart day.
03:26:05.140
Um, but I actually recently had a surgery, so I can't smoke for like a week.
03:26:12.900
Back when I was 16, um, I was a victim in a car crash and my nose broke and it never healed properly.
03:26:23.520
Think what you want, but I just genuinely can't breathe.
03:26:29.520
So I'm on the perks right now and I'm zimmed up and I'm feeling great.
03:26:37.700
Uh, so revenge, tell us the revenge you got on the guy.
03:26:43.140
So I have two, uh, the first one, this guy was just like being really weird and he wanted
03:26:49.180
commitment and then all of a sudden he didn't want commitment, didn't know what he wanted.
03:26:52.760
So I was like, oh, so you're trying to find somebody better.
03:26:58.720
So I met up with my friend at a party and I was like, Hey, I need you to like do something
03:27:04.380
And he like took a picture with me so I could post it on my close friends, only have that
03:27:11.720
And then he came crawling back and I just like ghosted him after because I was just
03:27:20.180
Like a picture of me making out with another guy like two days after he said, oh, we can
03:27:25.000
And then he came crawling back being like, oh, I know what I want now.
03:27:31.380
And then the other revenge was when I was recently in no contact.
03:27:34.820
Uh, I was talking to his roommate, also his best friend and had his best friend like come
03:27:43.780
Um, I won't go into that, but like, yeah, like I feel like that was revenge because that
03:27:53.280
Like territory wise, like his friend would not do that to him and his friend did.
03:28:09.520
So he was like no contact and I didn't know why he went no contact.
03:28:14.340
So it was more of like, okay, well, if you went no contact, I'm going to hang out with
03:28:20.180
your roommate, even though I know you hate that.
03:28:22.360
I even talked to your roommate and I knew his roommate was interested in me, but it was
03:28:29.040
kind of off, like I was off limits to his roommate on a friend boundary between him and his roommate.
03:28:39.360
So it's just, Ooh, revenge from both ends, I guess.
03:28:43.040
Cause his roommate was trying to get revenge on him.
03:28:54.100
Um, well, this guy had like broken up with me and like went no contact and like, it was
03:29:01.700
like, it like meant weirdly a lot to me and like, I was mentally unstable at the time.
03:29:08.020
So I clearly wasn't thinking clearly, but me and my best friend, shout out to my best
03:29:13.520
She was a G for this, but we decided to, um, put baloney on his car and burn his things
03:29:25.740
Like, like things that like, he like gave me like over time, like clothes, like trinkets,
03:29:31.420
I put it in like a little tiny trash can and burned his gift.
03:29:39.300
I don't know if pulling the, I don't know if putting the baloney on the car was a crime.
03:29:59.540
He like, he like, campus security came and asked me and I said, it wasn't me.
03:30:28.000
This was, this was before that, within that like, that like time when I was single, because
03:30:34.520
I like was on and off with a guy that I was seeing at my school for, for about like a
03:30:41.520
year and he like ended things with me abruptly and like blocked me and stuff.
03:30:48.580
He like, he blocked me and like told my roommate, he was like, I can't do it anymore.
03:30:57.760
Do you think there's anything that triggered that?
03:31:01.240
Um, I think what triggered it is like, we had like a conversation about me leaving to
03:31:06.940
go for a semester because I was deciding to move to New York and he just like, wasn't
03:31:13.340
Like I would ask him and be like, Hey, how do you feel about this?
03:31:20.560
And like, and like we were having another conversation about New York and I was like, I feel like you've
03:31:26.420
just been really mean to me since I decided this.
03:31:28.640
I don't understand and like, and like, I feel like you don't want to be friends with
03:31:33.700
And he was like, so you don't want to be friends.
03:31:36.480
And I was like, see, I never even said that, bro.
03:31:38.980
Dude, I hate when, I'm going to say guys, I'm sure women do this too, but I hate when
03:31:45.480
It's like, oh, so you never even cared about me.
03:31:53.420
So the cops came to, no, campus security, not the cops.
03:32:11.160
So, I mean, he blocked you and then you fucked his car up.
03:32:17.540
I feel like it's the lack of, I try, okay, okay, okay, okay.
03:32:21.820
Okay, so, so a little bit more, a little bit more back, a little bit more back story.
03:32:27.540
We tried, I attempted to converse with him before this multiple times.
03:32:38.420
Hey, she said she was being petty and she was mentally unstable.
03:32:41.120
And I made it clear, we were talking about revenge.
03:32:55.320
Do any of the girls, here, show of hands, did she, do you guys think she did something wrong?
03:33:01.080
Yeah, I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong.
03:33:03.420
If you don't raise your hand, I'm going to assume the opposite.
03:33:31.780
I would never joke about anyone else's trauma or circumstances.
03:33:37.000
I think you need to find light in darkness sometimes.
03:33:53.360
I will say, I regret the extent of which I, like, I didn't need all that.
03:34:02.560
I could have just burned the stuff in the trash can.
03:34:06.860
I could have just burned the stuff in the trash can.
03:34:14.220
If you put baloney on a hot day, it'll, like, stick to it.
03:34:20.880
I would like to know if this is actually a felony or if you pull that out of your butt.
03:34:28.440
Well, I mean, so depending on the amount of property damage it does, again, I'm not entirely
03:34:33.560
sure how much the extent of the damage it can do.
03:34:36.160
But, like, having to repaint your entire car can be, like.
03:34:38.880
I think it was just one piece of baloney, right?
03:34:58.540
We have, Ellie, I'm going to have you read some of these chats.
03:35:07.780
Yo, Ellie, do you think Netspen is going to take Blade's Throne?
03:35:14.820
I do not think Netspen is going to take Blade's Throne.
03:35:26.760
This one's, we're just going to blast through these questions super quick.
03:35:31.180
Not related to dating at all, but it's just kind of fun.
03:35:45.660
How about the, what decade was you, uh, World War I?
03:36:20.580
I am trying to remember, if you asked me when I was 16, taking AP World, AP U.S. Go.
03:36:26.400
But it's like, I don't study this stuff anymore.
03:36:46.060
I just realized Zara Nicholas was overthrown, so I'm way off.
03:37:04.400
Yeah, but you don't learn that shit in college.
03:38:01.880
I think things kicked off at the end of the 1930s, and then it ended, I want to say, in like
03:39:07.740
Because of our stream yards is all scuffed, normally we have a chat that comes through.
03:39:15.440
Somebody in the chat, Stifler, I think, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of
03:39:31.660
It's kind of awkward to give myself a high rating.
03:40:00.940
I just said six because it's just weird to rate myself.
03:40:23.340
I will say there were some high rankings here at the table.
03:40:30.060
Just curious, though, since we do have one person who rated themselves the highest.
03:40:38.040
So, but the other women, they ranked themselves all lower than you.
03:41:25.720
So you must make some determinations as to, like, oh, this girl's more attractive than this
03:41:31.760
But all the women here are just across the board.
03:41:48.760
And I feel like everybody should have given themselves a ten because that's what we all
03:42:09.640
The look that you, you, like, looked her up and down?
03:42:17.640
Does anybody, you know, she, she calls herself a ten.
03:42:21.580
Do any of the women at the table here who didn't rate themselves a ten feel, do you guys
03:42:27.800
I think that, I don't know if it's an accurate rating.
03:42:39.640
Can I ask you, because obviously everyone has different types, different metrics of
03:42:44.600
who they consider beautiful, attractive, whatever.
03:42:47.100
What is a ten and a woman to you, since none of us are here, apparently?
03:43:17.840
I mean, people will often say, like, Megan Fox when she was younger.
03:43:44.280
I don't even know if I want to look at Megan Thee Stallion right now.
03:43:55.180
She's an independent artist, and she's this famous.
03:44:18.160
But without makeup as a ten, because I know you're not really pro-makeup.
03:44:27.400
The girl who was in Smallville that I always cite to that nobody agrees with me is a...
03:44:31.520
I don't think she's a ten, but she's a solid...
03:44:50.280
Nick, don't pull it up, because you're going to...
03:44:52.860
Everyone in the chat, if we show her the old photos, let me see what I can find.
03:45:06.900
I'm trying to see if I can find some good photos.
03:45:09.980
Here, Nick, while we do this, just Google Kristen Kruick, and fine.
03:45:35.960
They're going to give us the fucking mini photo.
03:45:43.540
So I'm going to see if I'm getting the same photos.
03:46:34.800
That was, like, my celebrity crush when I was there.
03:47:44.440
Well, she's pretty, but you kind of have more of a soft, simple.
03:47:54.100
I'm not simplifying it, but that's what I mean.
03:48:16.400
I think the audience probably knows who that is, Michael B. Jordan.
03:48:22.780
Do you think that you could get Michael B. Jordan?
03:48:43.460
And let me tell you, if he ever said, let's go, I'm going in a heartbeat.
03:48:48.860
But like realistically, it probably wouldn't happen.
03:48:56.920
I mean, you could go to the models like Adriana Lima.
03:49:10.180
Oh, is that the guy with the age gap relationship?
03:49:29.240
And how awkward for her daughters that are his age.
03:51:12.220
Okay, I don't know any of these fucking people.
03:52:33.620
This was 2019, but we still occasionally see each other at parties.
03:52:38.240
He doesn't really do the dating thing, and he's very open that he doesn't do that.
03:52:53.340
He recently is voice acting for anime, actually.
03:53:03.020
He talks about turning down girls all the time that are tens.
03:53:06.880
His friends always are like, I can't believe you turned that girl down.
03:53:14.280
But he initially slid into your DMs, and you just weren't feeling it?
03:53:24.160
If you wanted to, do you think you could land him?
03:53:31.920
Because I don't feel like I'm successful enough to really need to be.
03:53:36.640
Like, I am very passionate about my career and focusing on myself and being the best version
03:53:42.020
of me before trying to commit to somebody that's already at their success level that
03:53:55.280
I would say right now, I want to get more into modeling and commercial modeling.
03:54:01.860
Right now, I'm financially stable and in a career that I enjoy.
03:54:05.900
Um, so it's more of just getting into that dream field rather than just a career I enjoy
03:54:16.500
So you're not successful enough to get with him, is what you're saying?
03:54:24.840
I'm just saying I'm not worried about chasing those types of men right now.
03:54:31.740
I want to be very well off myself before I go after somebody that's already very well
03:54:36.860
You could still accomplish being very well off while you're with somebody that is also
03:54:42.680
And perhaps, like, with greater resources and connections, too.
03:54:46.500
I mean, but then again, I say that, and I mean, I was working at Home Depot when I met
03:54:49.920
I feel like when you're going after somebody with that status, sometimes it can come off
03:54:54.640
as you're a clout chaser, especially in the social media fields.
03:55:04.460
Guys don't really care about success like that at all.
03:55:08.760
It's maybe in social media, but that's not really like.
03:55:12.360
Like a provider kind that you want to go the long run with.
03:55:30.520
That's that's what I think it's a confidence thing.
03:55:35.640
I do think that there can be objective metrics of the analysis of beauty, but there
03:55:42.040
are obviously some people value Eurocentric features.
03:55:52.080
And when women rate themselves highly, I believe that's just a reflection of their own personal
03:55:59.540
Even if you don't agree with their rating, I don't necessarily see an issue in a woman.
03:56:03.300
Yeah, but can I just say a woman who's just like, oh, I'm a six and I'm fine with it.
03:56:10.800
I think, you know, it's different for everybody.
03:56:18.540
I'd rather under salt than over salt, if that makes any sense.
03:56:24.440
Sometimes if there's versions of yourself, you can look back on and be like, oh, I was
03:56:33.260
It's like definitely thought I was an eight, 10 years ago.
03:56:53.680
Well, yeah, you gave me a 10, but like, is that your actual, like, that's what you'd rate
03:57:17.060
I feel like from an objective standpoint, you would be like, like, not from my personal
03:57:22.340
I feel like you'd be a 10 in other women's eyes.
03:57:25.180
From my eyes, I would say more 5, 5.5, only because you're out of my age range, if that
03:57:36.020
So, I like people who have, like, a lot of hair on their head.
03:57:46.980
Like, I like guys with a full head of hair all around.
03:58:19.140
He's always making appointments to go get his hair cut.
03:58:24.260
So, but in your perspective, if you and me were dating, and this just looks right,
03:58:39.640
No, but, I mean, you said that from your perspective...
03:58:44.900
Or, sorry, you said I'm a 5.5 and you said you're a 10.
03:58:47.660
So, from your perspective, you'd be settling in terms of looks.
03:58:58.860
I don't think your rating of me is off, but I think your rating of yourself is so off
03:59:17.700
I'll rate you guys if each of you individually are okay with it.
03:59:24.140
I would like you to start with her, though, because she just rated you.
03:59:33.520
My rating of you is not going to change because you gave me a 5.5.
03:59:37.460
It's going to remain the exact same as, like, I assessed it even before that.
03:59:41.140
I'm not going to, like, do this vindictive thing or whatever.
03:59:44.560
I mean, it would be kind of nice to go around this way.
03:59:48.360
Are you doing objective or, like, personal type based?
04:00:00.600
It would be subjective because it would be my...
04:00:03.320
Like, another guy could give you a different rating.
04:00:06.360
Well, I just wasn't sure if you were doing, like, practical beauty standard or you're just personal
04:00:11.460
Like, that's what I meant, like, just to clarify.
04:00:27.000
And you guys are wearing makeup, so I'm going to, like, in the brain, remove your makeup
04:01:31.920
I date white women, Latina women, Asian women, occasionally black women, Native Americans.
04:01:50.700
Wait, what's your basis for giving us the rating?
04:01:58.860
Can I ask you, since you couldn't find a particular person who exemplified this, but describe your
04:02:23.040
So you rate yourself, you rated yourself a six, wasn't it?
04:02:33.740
You believe that you are more attractive than, what, half of the women here?
04:02:46.580
You said, like, the same level as half, because he rated, like, half the girls' fives, five
04:02:54.400
I don't even remember the ratings I gave, but I think most of the women I rated above a
04:03:15.360
So I rated most of the women, like, on look space is more attractive than me, I guess.
04:03:31.400
I said it feels like you're not into black women.
04:03:46.700
I have questions that I don't want to sound like a pick me.
04:03:48.500
I'm just curious, like, to understand how your brain works.
04:04:05.320
How, you know, without being, whatever, just speak freely.
04:04:13.840
How can she be a 10 since she's your highest rating?
04:04:25.480
That would be rated her the highest at this stage.
04:04:41.500
There's really not a whole bunch that I think people can do to improve.
04:04:54.640
Well, I feel like he's made it clear he's not into.
04:05:01.660
She would have to enhance herself a certain way, but you don't like that.
04:05:03.680
If Ellie had fake boobs, she'd go down in rating.
04:05:27.260
Everything he thinks will make somebody better.
04:05:34.820
It's just another extension of, like, disingenuity.
04:05:42.980
Except for, I guess, if he's really looking inward on somebody, then it can't really change much.
04:05:51.480
Yeah, I think Ellie's kind of, like, her stats are kind of maxed out.
04:05:58.940
She's going to crawl right through this screen.
04:06:07.060
I mean, there's, like, probably, there, there's, in terms of making yourself more attractive beyond just looks, though, yeah, there's things that people can do.
04:06:14.980
Like, which I guess gets us into our next topic.
04:06:41.540
You said you wanted to talk about beauty standards, feminism, the bow.
04:06:51.600
I mean, you know, or even, like, a curtsy or whatever.
04:06:57.720
You said that you're in line with most of what I say.
04:07:16.000
If you have big labia and you've ever tried to trim those bad boys or wax them,
04:07:20.860
I don't think that you'd probably be like, yeah, big labia.
04:07:39.720
But, I mean, if that's your preference, then rock on, man.
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I feel that men don't typically say such bold things.
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Well, most men will say, like, they either have misconceptions about it.
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Like, oh, she's been, like, if a girl has an outie, she's fucked a bunch of dudes.
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And then, yeah, that's just not how that works.
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Then women have a preference against small peens.
04:08:59.760
I definitely have some female friends who, like, dare I say, can't handle.
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I have female friends who have boyfriends who are below average,
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and they're perfectly happy because it's about the motion of the ocean
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Anyways, I mean, there's not really too much to debate there on the labia thing.
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Let me get back into the frame of mind that I was when I wrote this.
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I think you did it because BLM also stands for something else.
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But I definitely have always been an advocate for women with large labia.
04:10:37.440
It's like, you should definitely message me if.
04:10:46.940
I've been labia catfished before, though, which is frustrating.
04:10:50.340
You know, I don't think I've ever heard a sentence like that.
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Have you ever had a dude who said he had a big dick, didn't have a big dick?
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I rarely have the conversation about genitalia prior to the action.
04:11:17.980
But it's not like, oh, he said it was big and then it wasn't.
04:11:20.820
It was like, oh, I had, I had hopes that it would be bigger and I was disappointed.
04:11:28.280
Did you not talk to him after the disappointment?
04:11:32.420
Because it's like, was it the one-time thing because of the small peepee?
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Like, I've definitely, like, been interested in guys before who, you know, I'll be honest, had small penises.
04:11:44.200
And it's just unfortunate when you, because it's not their fault.
04:11:53.420
And, you know, let's say they're not very proficient in other things, such as foreplay.
04:12:00.560
It's like, what are you even meant to do at that point?
04:12:09.100
I would rather them know what they're doing already, to be honest.
04:12:37.500
Oh, but you were saying how you don't, you're not having that conversation often, right?
04:12:45.160
But I have heard stories about how some guys will say that they're packing.
04:12:49.420
And the girl's like, no, it wasn't, no, not packing.
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To generalize, I would say that most men prefer innie's.
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And this is, and I show this to my new girls I'm dating.
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I show, you gotta, you gotta kind of, you know, get the girls on the right track.
04:14:41.560
She didn't stir them good enough, so I had to scold her and tell her to do it better.
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And she asked me to be speaking Japanese the whole time.
04:14:59.100
Forget whatever, the clothes, whatever, dinner, whatever.
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I just don't think that video was a prime example.
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Well, she didn't mama bird your beer and your noodles into your mouth, so I'm thinking she's
04:15:38.740
No, I just think that's what you should come to expect.
04:15:44.560
I mean, after a long day at work, you want to be chewing your food?
04:15:49.160
That is a, you raise a fair point there, Ellie.
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It's, that's very considerate, considerate of you.
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But, you know, I am, I can sufficiently chew my food.
04:16:04.400
We can see why, we can see Ellie is a based housewife over here.
04:16:14.940
Because I felt like that video showed her being your assistant, not a girlfriend.
04:16:36.140
But if a guy paid, like, if a guy took you up on that offer, like.
04:16:39.860
Because women, women say, I offer as a token gesture, but don't actually expect or want
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And it would be an issue if the guy took you up on your token fake gesture.
04:16:53.140
If they took me up on it, it would just show me more about his perception and his viewpoints.
04:16:59.060
And what's his perception and viewpoint if he takes you up on the words that came out of
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Like, it's like, okay, you don't want to pay for a first date, like.
04:17:14.000
Not, not necessarily, but in other words, you're saying.
04:17:20.040
I'm doing you the favor of coming to the dinner.
04:17:24.060
How often, have you ever asked a guy out for a first date?
04:17:29.340
Of all the first dates you've been on, how many, like, what's the percentage breakdown?
04:17:42.780
How many of those did you, were you the one asking the guy out?
04:17:50.000
So whoever asks, so your point about, well, whoever asks should pay, it would make sense
04:17:56.900
if men and women were asking each other out at equivalent rates, but they clearly aren't.
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Men are overwhelmingly the ones that have to initiate.
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Most men, average men are definitely not getting the experience of ever being asked out, period.
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Maybe like super attractive guys have women in their DMs, so forth.
04:18:14.200
But I guess, so you do want men to pay for first dates, it sounds like.
04:18:23.980
And it's a sign of respect when a woman bows, cooks me dinner, and takes care of the household
04:18:32.540
I think it can also be labeled as an assistant.
04:18:37.540
Well, so would you, would you also label it as like, I'm looking for a mom?
04:18:43.220
Like if I want a woman to do my laundry, to cook for me, those sorts of things.
04:18:47.920
Am I, so I've heard some women make a criticism of you're looking for a mom, not a girlfriend,
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And sometimes a lot of those guys have mommy issues, which is why girls are like, oh,
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When it comes to what you're looking for in a guy, you said you want a guy to pay for
04:19:14.020
The first date, it's a sign of respect, but do I expect them to pay for all the dates we
04:19:19.260
Have you ever, the guy who was the S worker, would he pay for the dates?
04:19:43.880
But women who say, men who want women to cook, to clean, to do their laundry, take care of
04:19:50.860
household chores, they're not looking for a wife.
04:19:56.920
Well, then I can just turn this around on women and say, well, as a woman, if you want
04:20:02.120
a guy to provide and protect, you're just looking for a dad, not a boyfriend, not a husband.
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I don't think that there's anything wrong with wanting those things and wanting a guy who
04:20:24.240
But what I'm saying is, you guys want men to adhere to our traditional gender roles.
04:20:32.280
So when it comes to the expectation on men and men's duties in a relationship, it's might
04:20:37.900
as well be the 1950s for men still have to provide, still have to protect.
04:20:42.740
But when it comes to women's roles, it's all negotiable, totally negotiable.
04:20:55.580
A woman can make money and provide for herself.
04:21:02.580
So why do you want a provider and a protector if you can do it yourself?
04:21:08.380
I think if I'm going to be in a relationship with somebody, I shouldn't have to go without
04:21:18.160
So when I'm in a relationship, I want a woman who can cook and clean and take care of the
04:21:27.120
I think it's more of like, that's all you expect out of it.
04:21:40.880
Is it bad that I have high expectations or is it?
04:21:46.360
I don't think you're asking too much, but I think it's just like the type of person.
04:21:51.880
Like I expect more like emotional things out of a relationship, not superficial.
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But you said if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, there won't be a second.
04:22:12.180
Well, I think wouldn't it also be respectful for the woman to pay for the first date then?
04:22:16.440
If paying for the first date is just about showing respect, then, well, I guess you would have to make the argument to show mutual respect.
04:22:29.060
Hold on, but earlier you said if the guy asks me out, he should pay.
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I mean, if he's like, yeah, let's go halfsies, I'm like, okay.
04:22:45.820
Kind of just shows where you're at financially.
04:22:51.680
Like, it's logically possible a billionaire could go on a date with a broke woman and be like, we're going to split the bill.
04:23:00.100
But then I kind of feel like he's, like, that I'm not worth his time.
04:23:04.560
Like, he's basically telling me, you're not worth my money.
04:23:14.340
And he probably spends his time with multiple other women.
04:23:17.120
I mean, that's a huge projection and a huge assumption.
04:23:22.560
Finding a quality date, I guess, would be step one in all that.
04:23:26.920
I mean, a first date should be something relatively simple.
04:23:30.520
I think my first date with my now husband was like, hey, come walk my dog with me, you know.
04:23:39.000
And, I mean, eventually, like, as dates went on, yeah, no, he paid.
04:23:48.000
It seems like even feminists put men at the default of being traditional always.
04:23:53.700
It's always the desire and the want to take those.
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But then women don't want to take on a traditional role, which is what he wants.
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Women kind of tending to the household and catering to their men.
04:24:08.040
That's what we've always done throughout history.
04:24:12.060
So I kind of fall into more traditional mentalities when I date.
04:24:18.120
I don't believe in that 50-50 shit, to be honest.
04:24:21.220
I think a man should be a provider and protector.
04:24:23.340
And I do agree and align with a lot of what you're saying that a woman should provide to
04:24:28.780
But at the same time, I also consider myself a businesswoman and I'm working so much.
04:24:37.480
Would you be satisfied if you and your partner were in a situation where you could pay for
04:24:43.460
a chef, you could pay for a driver, you could pay for people who are going to help with
04:24:47.460
those housework tasks so she can focus on her passions and loving you in a different
04:24:57.340
Well, let's say that she runs her own business.
04:25:01.820
Let's say she does what you do and she has her own brand.
04:25:10.120
Well, I suppose it depends at what stage do you meet them.
04:25:14.680
Once a woman's already deeply involved in something, most men are probably going to have to make
04:25:29.100
But if she's not already in that dimension, then that's not the kind of dynamic I'd want.
04:25:37.500
But you're asking from my own personal perspective.
04:25:40.560
So my own personal perspective, I'm doing fairly well.
04:25:49.480
So your question is, pay for like a cook to come in?
04:25:56.640
And I didn't even mean it in the sense that like, okay, now that you have people who are
04:26:00.320
fulfilling these roles, she's just fucking watching Love Island all day and doing nothing.
04:26:06.100
Yeah, I meant that, let's say that she has other things that occupy her time that either
04:26:11.920
fulfill her soul or brings in money or whatever.
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Would you be okay if she spent her time doing that rather than cooking or cleaning or things
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Because at the end of it all, yes, I understand that those things are important to you.
04:26:27.220
But don't you see that anybody can fulfill that?
04:26:29.580
And in your partner, in your wife, you obviously like her for more than just, oh, she's proficient
04:26:35.480
You think she's attractive and you like her personality, ideally.
04:26:39.180
Well, I would say that there does become a point, a level of wealth where offsetting
04:26:47.100
some of these tasks to somebody else, like it would almost be a no-brainer.
04:26:52.900
Like if I was a billionaire, I don't think I would be like, okay, you're going to clean
04:26:57.760
Like if I was a billionaire, I'm like, you don't need to clean the house.
04:27:00.220
Although perhaps there's some circumstance where like the cleaner is busy today.
04:27:04.920
And it's like, if there is something that needs to be cleaned and the cleaner, I mean,
04:27:09.080
if you're a billionaire, you probably have like in staff that lives in your house.
04:27:13.520
So it's hard to like put yourself in that paradigm of like that level of wealth.
04:27:18.960
So I think that level of wealth, of course, you're, you're probably looking to your partner
04:27:23.260
not to take on the like mundane house chores, but you are looking, you're still going to
04:27:28.860
look to her to defer to you, to defer to your leadership, to be submissive.
04:27:35.340
But that's probably not going to necessarily entail like, okay, now you're going to like
04:27:42.700
do housework that I can like pawn off to a third party.
04:27:47.240
You can do it for a couple hundred bucks or have like, have staff that just paid salary
04:27:54.340
So, but I don't know, there, there's like, it depends to what degree you have third parties
04:28:06.300
Uh, I might have her go get me something on the other side of the house or something.
04:28:14.120
Like, I guess my question is, are you so traditional to the sense that you don't even want your
04:28:20.940
You want her full-time job to be taking care of your kids and, you know, making sure the
04:28:26.480
That's, I mean, so when we do have kids though, cause I was thinking more so.
04:28:31.300
Prior to kids, but when we do have kids, uh, we can have assistance, but I want, I don't
04:28:38.300
want to, uh, pawn your kids, pawn the kids off totally to the point where she then pursues
04:28:50.380
Like if she needs somebody there to help out with stuff, but I'd still want her being the
04:28:54.340
primary role when it comes to raising the children.
04:28:57.900
Uh, so in that sense, um, if I was so wealthy to the point, yeah, okay.
04:29:04.580
The, the cleaning, yeah, we can have somebody else take care of that.
04:29:07.540
But when it comes to the kids, then all of your attention that would perhaps if I earned
04:29:12.320
less would have gone to these more mundane tasks, cleaning, cooking, we can, we can have
04:29:18.340
I think that we can have a clean, like people clean, come in and clean, but you're going
04:29:22.500
to then dedicate more of your time to the kids.
04:29:25.260
I think that's a totally valid claim, honestly.
04:29:30.040
So from what I understand, you would like your wife to be the primary caretaker of your
04:29:35.640
I'm just curious how involved, obviously you would be the breadwinner in this situation
04:29:42.040
How involved would you like to be in raising your kids?
04:29:45.460
I mean, definitely involved, but it, it depends to what degree I'm working or if I'm retired.
04:29:53.580
So, and I mean, I could give you my own personal, you know, stance on my own or my projection
04:30:01.140
of where I think I'll be in a couple of years or what I think like a guy who, it depends
04:30:07.500
again on the level of income and wealth that's going to factor in a lot in terms of your free
04:30:14.560
I would still spend a good amount of time with children, but it would not be anywhere
04:30:18.640
near approaching the amount of time that, uh, my girlfriend or whatever could be taking
04:30:25.840
So, uh, but if I was retired, I'd spend a lot of time with the kids.
04:30:33.260
Like if I retired early, if I retired at 40 or something, I would also be spending a
04:30:39.700
Cause you know, you got to raise some like little warriors or whatever.
04:30:42.840
I want to raise some warriors, warriors, warriors.
04:30:56.100
I would say at least when the kids are young, probably like, it's hard to project, you know,
04:31:02.180
how things, anything, you know, who knows what can happen.
04:31:06.620
But probably the first couple of years, probably not.
04:31:10.240
I mean, she's going to be primarily handling that if I retire early, which I think is kind
04:31:18.520
Um, then I'll definitely be more involved as they, you know, five, six, seven, eight,
04:31:57.960
Um, so, um, I would expect my partner to do as much as I do.
04:32:05.600
Um, I think especially in the, in the first few months, um, your sleep is very precious
04:32:16.920
I don't think it has anything to do with gender.
04:32:24.380
Um, so I don't like, I mean, if, if she's not working and I'm taking care of everything
04:32:32.660
I think that's totally valid, but let's say they're both working.
04:32:36.040
They're both like just getting by, then it's like, obviously both members, I would say
04:32:40.760
have to put in a relatively equal support in taking care of your child, you know, because
04:32:49.160
Uh, so I'm actually graduating at the end of this year.
04:32:51.600
I take my exam in January and then I won't be working for a few months.
04:32:55.240
You're, you're going to be a physician assistant, right?
04:32:58.160
Wait, you're graduating from PA school or what's that called?
04:33:06.380
So, I mean, you want to be a boss babe basically.
04:33:09.080
Um, yeah, I, I chose PA specifically because I knew I wanted to have more of a work-life balance
04:33:13.840
and that would be better than going to medical school for my situation.
04:33:17.900
So that's kind of, I want, I wanted to have a more of a family unit than me working all
04:33:22.220
And I think PA education or PA, the profession allows you to do that more, but still be in
04:33:31.660
But I mean, at least the kind of dynamic I'm looking for, it would be, I'm taking care of
04:33:36.700
everything and she doesn't have to work, but the expectation there is she's going to
04:33:41.740
take, be taking on more of the burden when it comes to raising the children.
04:33:52.240
I mean, we've gone our whole lives being selfish, right?
04:33:54.760
I've spent 33 years of my life focusing on myself, doing my own thing.
04:33:59.000
And then once you kind of fulfill your purpose, which is creating a family and continuing the
04:34:04.200
legacy, it's a sacrifice and it's not going to be fun.
04:34:06.700
It's not going to be easy, but that's the purpose of life.
04:34:12.980
Because your degree doesn't even matter almost.
04:34:17.200
But I want to get back to what our conversation that we were having.
04:34:23.460
So I guess going back to it though, you were saying, well, Brian, when we played the
04:34:28.300
bow video, you're like, you seem to have some objections to that sort of thing.
04:34:32.940
Um, I guess I'm still trying to figure out what, what's, what are the objections?
04:34:41.640
I think it's a hundred, a hundred and not 50, 50 equal partnership.
04:34:46.360
So, um, what I'm providing just as much as the guy, like, I don't expect them to provide
04:34:52.360
more, I work, I don't expect them to financially, I mean, I don't expect them to do everything
04:35:13.780
If they choose to do that, that's fine, but I'm not depending on them.
04:35:26.240
Have you lived with a guy that you've been seeing?
04:35:30.960
I mean like a guy you were dating, although I guess you've never had a boyfriend.
04:35:37.300
If you were, if you were in that sort of situation, would you want the guy to take care of the
04:35:46.500
Um, it depends on, I'm totally okay doing 50, 50 on rent, but if they want to pay full rent,
04:35:54.180
that's totally up to them and their comfortability and their financial stability.
04:36:03.080
But if they wanted to, you wouldn't put up a fight.
04:36:07.580
Wait, you said you believe in equal partnership.
04:36:11.680
So why would you not then, even if the guy was open to paying for everything, why would
04:36:18.200
you not then go ahead and insist on paying 50, 50?
04:36:22.340
That doesn't mean I wouldn't pay utilities or other bills that the house needs.
04:36:25.960
No, let's say he was like, I'm paying for everything.
04:36:27.880
Then that just, it's more about how you give and receive love.
04:36:32.220
Like for me personally, I give and receive love through gifts and quality time.
04:36:37.300
Like that is my thing for how I give and receive love.
04:36:46.900
But I thought you believe in equal partnership.
04:36:55.360
So I can spoil my partner just as well as he can spoil me.
04:37:10.660
You pay like, you have a room in the house or how's it work?
04:37:15.500
So if you guys get your own place, it's probably going to be $2,000, $3,000.
04:37:22.800
You're going to be spending, buying him $4,000 worth of gifts.
04:37:27.220
Like if he's paying all the rent, you're going to spend $4,000 a month on gifts for him?
04:37:35.360
I think there's more that you can give to a person than just financial value.
04:37:41.280
Okay, but you're talking about equal partnership.
04:37:45.080
So if you're having an equal partnership, shouldn't it be like mostly equal?
04:37:49.980
Yeah, but if they're insisting, why should I have to fight that?
04:38:02.340
Not every partner is going to want to pay all of rent or can pay all of rent all the time.
04:38:07.980
Like if they lose their job and they're not able to cover rent, I'm willing to step up.
04:38:14.400
But I mean, why hasn't this been the case when you've gone on dates?
04:38:18.680
Like you've said overwhelmingly the men pay for the dates.
04:38:23.500
Right, but if you believe in equal partnership, shouldn't...
04:38:30.360
Like from a bird's eye view, what do you do to equally contribute to the start of a relationship?
04:38:41.760
Like a lot of guys just aren't like there emotionally.
04:38:44.940
So I'm willing to be there for people emotionally.
04:38:57.220
So okay, guys, for example, here would be like some of the burdens or some of the things you might not want to frame it as a burden that guys do early on to develop or build or initiate a relationship.
04:39:13.540
They're going to be the ones taking on the burden of initiative, taking on the burden of rejection or potential rejection.
04:39:25.560
They're probably going to go for the first kiss.
04:39:26.980
They're going to move things forward physically from there.
04:39:29.340
All of that initiative burden falls on the man.
04:39:33.100
Additionally, there's the financial component that the guy has to pay for dates.
04:39:35.880
so traditionally that's what men do and early on what do women do early on to
04:39:43.180
when it comes to the development of a budding relationship um
04:39:50.080
i think it's more of just like contributing values contributing values like i'm not gonna
04:39:59.480
go on a date with somebody that i don't share values with i'm not gonna give them the time
04:40:03.400
of day i'm not gonna waste somebody's time i don't just go on dates to for a free dinner like a lot
04:40:10.420
of girls just do that like i'm not that type of person so i think you're asking the wrong person
04:40:15.340
that question you've never done that no okay um i date with intention
04:40:22.880
oh you date with intention like i don't know you've you've said you have a roster you've not
04:40:30.420
had a boyfriend you like if i'm going on and you're currently i'm not just gonna question
04:40:36.020
question wait wait their time hold on i wouldn't go on the date in the first place you're currently
04:40:41.240
in a complicated situation with a male porn star and you've have you been going on dates during the
04:40:49.380
course of this like complicated relate situationship with the male sex worker occasionally how could you
04:40:58.360
possibly be dating with intention like if i'm going on a date with a girl and she's like got feelings
04:41:05.020
and hangs out with a dude and like oh because when you guys are sexually active together you're not
04:41:13.220
having sex but you're like doing oral sex or whatever how is it dating with intention if i'm going on a
04:41:18.600
date with a girl and she's she's involved with a guy who took her virginity
04:41:24.220
and s-ing his d from time to time and he's a sex worker how is that dating with intention you're not properly
04:41:32.540
single but i'm not taken i'm not exclusive there's no loyalty so the dating intention is that i'm not
04:41:42.360
going on a date with somebody i'm not interested in not going on like i'm going on a date to see
04:41:48.480
like is there compatibility there could this be a partner like if they commit like okay i'm gonna be
04:41:55.880
loyal to them how would you feel if you were on a date with a guy who is in the exact same situation
04:42:01.040
as you but with like the person he's seeing as a woman most guys are in our generation yeah is that
04:42:07.520
good or bad i mean it just is what it is i'm used to that but is that good or bad like do you think
04:42:14.660
it's good for example do you think i don't think it's good but i think it's normalized in our
04:42:19.120
generation like everybody in our generation has a roster it doesn't mean it's not everybody but um
04:42:24.760
i mean you you wouldn't have any issue like you would i guess this is why you're just constantly
04:42:33.140
kind of trapped in situationships you're kind of tied down dating this guy who's a sex worker
04:42:40.000
who you give bjs to how frequent once a week or something i don't know you give him bjs from time
04:42:48.720
to time and then like then have you ever done this have you ever gone on a date with a guy the same day
04:42:55.520
you gave him a bj no that sounds like a yes but you don't want to admit to it uh oh man that's
04:43:03.100
brutal imagine going on a date with a girl she gives you a kiss goodnight but she like sucked a
04:43:07.880
dude's dick early in the sorry that's a beauty or what if a guy pays for a date have you ever done
04:43:13.680
this have you ever gone on a date with a dude oh and then he buys your dinner or whatever and then
04:43:21.000
you go over to male sex worker's house and do what you do with him i've been on a date with a guy
04:43:30.740
and the other guy called me and asked me to come over and i didn't you you give a 24 hour you give
04:43:42.580
didn't go the next day it was okay 48 hour grace period i see i don't know man i don't know shit
04:43:53.420
are you really date you said you were dating intentionally though that's yeah that's a very
04:43:59.760
specific thing like i i think in order to date intentionally you have to be properly single
04:44:04.940
if you have a side piece or whatever some dude you're seeing and
04:44:09.240
you're seeing him and then you're going on dates how is that intentional if i get asked on 15 dates
04:44:18.600
a day and i don't go it's because i'm not interested but if i go on a date i clearly have
04:44:24.500
interest and there's intention behind me going on that date in the first place meeting up with you
04:44:29.400
taking time out of my day to even go on that date do you have feelings for this dude yeah what are
04:44:36.840
feelings like if he asked me to be his girlfriend i would say yes oh okay wait wait the porn star so
04:44:44.300
are you like holding out that that's the future potential possibility wait a second god i hope not
04:44:49.620
no but like i think like if that was a possibility i would say yes well how about this here's the
04:44:58.220
scenario let's say you're so you're still seeing him currently say you just start like going on a
04:45:03.320
date with this new guy and it's still really early on so there hasn't been a conversation about
04:45:08.680
what's this going to be maybe you've gone on two three dates with a new guy but you're still seeing
04:45:14.620
this guy this guy says the the s worker guy who you took your virginity whatever you've been seeing
04:45:20.760
him for a year he says i want you to be my girlfriend you you stop with the two to three date
04:45:28.460
guy right i'm assuming yeah okay how can you be dating intentionally if a guy's been on two or three
04:45:35.160
dates with you but there's like this dude in the background who you're secretly pining for
04:45:41.440
and nobody said it was a secret well okay it's a it's more about communication if you're communicating
04:45:47.580
that with the person you're you tell so-called dating hold on you you tell the guys you go on first
04:45:52.780
dates with by the way i'm dating intentionally so i just want to let you know i'm currently
04:45:58.700
providing oral sex to a male sex worker who took my virginity who i'm secretly kind of in love with
04:46:06.700
but not really well but i would be his girlfriend at any point if he asked me
04:46:11.640
if you tell that you tell guys that if a guy on a dating app is asking me out and i go on a date with
04:46:18.840
him and he's like hey by the way i'm going out with five other girls like this week it's like okay
04:46:24.740
you're exploring your options i'm exploring mine what's the difference like i'm gonna be open that
04:46:31.100
hey we're not exclusive i don't owe you anything not dating with intention though yeah that's not
04:46:37.780
really intentional dating i would say so wait the porn star that you said was a whore yeah is this the
04:46:46.900
because you said he was a whore earlier and that was one of your issues with him
04:46:52.840
yeah because he but you want him to make you would want to be exclusive with him you want to be
04:46:58.220
uh thank you for that 20 memberships thank you keep sorry go ahead continue you would want to be with
04:47:03.240
the whore yes i wouldn't want him to be a whore when he's with me but you don't get to complain
04:47:09.200
about him then but he's already yeah like proven he is a whore like he is a hoe for sure you could be
04:47:16.300
doing so much better do you do you think that if you got off of social media and found another
04:47:24.460
form of income that maybe would be providing you the same like you know equivalence to what you're
04:47:30.240
getting now and like removed yourself off of dating apps and social media and all that do you think
04:47:35.120
that one you would be getting as many people interested and two would you maybe be finding like
04:47:43.440
better people possibly perhaps i mean i went to college twice that's not what i asked um i've
04:47:52.840
already experienced that life before social media i've gone on those dates with those normal guys
04:47:58.760
like and it's it still didn't work then why am i gonna like there's more options now yeah but it
04:48:07.080
doesn't seem like they're quality options just to seem like quantity over quality like if you found a
04:48:11.800
guy that is not a sex working whore or a you know a non-committal type or like unemotionally
04:48:19.840
emotionally unavailable like say you found like your perfect dude
04:48:23.080
like would you get rid of all this extra shit yeah of course of course if i found somebody that
04:48:32.820
had like the same values i have and like we had that mutual bond and like we really like liked each
04:48:38.600
other and he was willing to commit to me yeah i'd be more than willing to drop everything but you've
04:48:43.760
also stayed in that's why i am like still exploring options i'm not just loyal to that guy who is a
04:48:51.460
whore i seems like you are but i wouldn't be going on dates with guys if i wasn't interested in seeing
04:48:59.440
other people that's definitely not necessarily true i mean it might not be true for other people but
04:49:06.020
that's my thing i'm not just going out with any guy that asks me out yeah i mean that would probably
04:49:12.680
be crazy and stupid but a lot of people do just for the free dinner yeah okay well that's not right
04:49:18.240
either yeah i don't agree with that i mean yeah if you've already said that you're not interested or
04:49:28.040
willing to settle down with anyone because you haven't leveled up to the point to where you feel like
04:49:32.600
you need to be in order to do that what if the perfect guy were to come along would you drop that
04:49:37.580
to be with him yeah yeah i think that's true yeah i do think that's true i hope that for you i guess
04:49:45.800
you know i think you could probably find it maybe not in la but i think you probably find it but that
04:49:52.800
would be dating with intention that would be like dating with the intent to be with someone and maybe
04:49:58.660
not wade through a briar patch of man whores and social media guys doesn't seem like you're going
04:50:04.420
to get what you want by doing the same thing that you're doing now and have been i respect your point
04:50:13.120
of view i respect that okay well i don't know if i got a definitive answer on this but okay the bow
04:50:21.940
video you're very upset very upset by the bow video uh just bow i guess what what was the
04:50:30.160
objections again for the to the bow i just don't think that's a form of respect from the girl like
04:50:38.940
i mean it's actually quite like i just what if he bows back what if he bows to you i wouldn't like it
04:50:46.720
he wasn't he wouldn't do that so it's just the ick no it's just icky you know i wouldn't do that to
04:50:51.920
my man it's just like but you it's like showing that but you do bow actually in other ways oh well
04:51:00.280
like wait you're what it's essentially she just locked her teeth wait what actually i think the d
04:51:06.580
bowing but she does it's a it's a form of a bow you get it oh right well this is a point i actually
04:51:15.480
make um because like you know i i get the initial knee-jerk reaction to the bow is like whoa first
04:51:23.000
off it's like people culturally don't really don't do that in the united states yeah so there's that
04:51:28.440
component but it's also just like even if it was like moving i guess removing the like
04:51:34.560
uncommon cultural component of it yeah there's there's another objection to i'm not willing to
04:51:42.880
do this sort of act of subserve like submission to a guy like that's icky to me to like do like it's a
04:51:51.660
ask from the guy's perspective i'm not going to do that which what he won't hold on that fucking
04:51:59.080
words out there because you said i'm not going to do that thing that he wants me to do but then i
04:52:03.400
start thinking about it it's um by the way the bow it didn't just coalesce out of the ether people
04:52:09.820
have been even in white cultures have been doing bows although it's like not common anymore um so
04:52:16.560
it's not like i'm culturally appropriating like there's asian cultures or whatever um would you
04:52:21.900
bow for the uh for the perfect man no just curious going around the table who here that's crazy i'll
04:52:28.040
come back to the perfect man thing who here would bow for a guy well you know would you bow for a guy
04:52:34.540
yeah maybe yes it's kind of it's not even my culture like that yeah but if you're you're married
04:52:40.640
if i'm japanese that's a that's a given no you're white well what are you i'm white are you italian
04:52:46.240
spaniard okay yeah so definitely not like a bow culture we don't even do that but if your husband
04:52:51.680
watched the whatever podcast and he's like you know that brian guy's onto something you're setting
04:52:56.460
a weird temple he's onto something you know hey look we eat something have you ever but i understand
04:53:03.040
have you had chops have you used chopsticks yeah okay so there you go yeah once in a while i'm not
04:53:08.520
i mean i'm not using it makes sense right they bow in the catholic church uh you know oh yeah we do
04:53:12.960
a little bit do you watch any anime attack on titan or something no i don't get into anime okay
04:53:17.160
whatever i used to draw anime but yes you would bow but okay would you bow i don't know i don't think
04:53:21.920
so don't think so would you would you bow for for a guy i don't think it's part of my culture
04:53:26.720
or lifestyle but if it really was so important to him once about we could have a conversation
04:53:32.500
could have a conversation about it we could have a conversation what's the okay let's uh we're gonna
04:53:36.540
role play like we're dating okay well for you i feel like it almost excuse me miss okay i wish for
04:53:43.780
you to bow let's have the combo i feel like it feels like a power thing for you you've made it clear
04:53:49.560
that you want your woman submissive and it's not a cultural thing if it was cultural i would
04:53:54.160
totally respect it yeah but it's not and for those reasons i probably wouldn't bow to you
04:53:58.540
i see okay i'm gonna bite the bullet and agree that it's it's a hundred percent of power thing
04:54:04.020
what would actually be wrong in engaging with it well i think it's just a matter of preference i
04:54:08.760
don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it it's just not my cup of tea so i won't be drinking
04:54:13.800
it well it was nice knowing you uh goodbye we're over okay uh ellie would you i think you know my
04:54:21.560
answer to this okay she wants to throw it up in your mouth as well i'm okay i've actually reflected
04:54:27.700
on this and i wish i hadn't done the demo bow and the first and the first time i was here
04:54:32.300
retracting i'm retroactively taking back my bow rude because my perfect husband isn't here right now
04:54:38.140
and i would only do it for him you gotta go like this to get back maybe well technically what if
04:54:45.240
your perfect husband is watching the stream and you would be bowing to him well by technicality but
04:54:51.400
he's not here and so he wouldn't know it's directed towards him okay uh but you would bow of course okay
04:54:58.620
would you bow uh for a guy if it was in his culture no yes whitest dude you've ever seen
04:55:06.040
then no or blackest dude you've ever seen i don't know then no there's not bowing in either of those
04:55:12.240
no i guess i guess not because i like it's like what mars is saying and like i feel like
04:55:18.580
it just i it's just not my cup of tea like um i'm gonna go with maybe
04:55:26.900
well you're you're your fiancee oh um if you woke up in the morning he was like babe
04:55:35.200
hey i've been i've just watched the whatever podcast i've been thinking i'm carrying his baby
04:55:40.880
baby so i i feel like i'm not gonna just break up with him over that i'd be like yeah like we
04:55:46.800
could talk about it i guess it's kind of weird but then i'd have him do something equally as weird
04:55:51.360
just to even it out for me like what what would be equally as weird uh you have to kiss my feet
04:55:56.000
yeah that's not equally as weird that's way more weird that's that's way worse well it's it's
04:56:04.760
something in return of what i'm giving you because that's a weird request especially out of the blue
04:56:08.980
like that if you started the relationship like that then that's up to you if you want to leave
04:56:13.280
but if it starts like in the middle of it like i don't know what i would do but we're like our
04:56:18.540
grandparents doing that that you know married for decades you know i i'm sure there's ways that
04:56:25.080
they've showed women of the time have showed subordination without bowing like that in the
04:56:29.300
west i've never seen that yeah it's just in his meals cooking his meals and all sorts of things
04:56:34.440
taking care of other things didn't yeah didn't women in like the 1920s used to have like a martini
04:56:39.400
ready at home for their husbands maybe that sounds about right that was their tribute to their
04:56:44.020
why is he drinking a martini that is such a feminine drink beer for men only no or like
04:56:50.680
like two fingers of whiskey neat or whatever like i was gonna be a martini i don't know i don't know
04:56:56.680
i just like like those little glasses a little make me a cosmopolitan cosmopolitan
04:57:02.560
would you bow would you bow yeah sure okay john if you're watching this
04:57:14.380
yeah is it like a dominance thing he made it clear it's a it's not it's not it's not a bdsm
04:57:21.160
yeah i understand that respect it's not like it's a respect thing and i think like okay so it goes
04:57:25.460
back to i remember the third principle care for each other's by the way care for the environment care
04:57:29.260
for the self care for others um even in like montessori principles like we were taught to
04:57:34.700
like you know have like the utmost respect for your environment so like i mean as young as like
04:57:39.400
preschool in like some asian countries and most asian countries they actually have like the kids
04:57:45.100
cleaning the classroom yeah and like taking off their shoes before you come in and like you know
04:57:50.500
preparing snack and sharing it with friends like it is it it's a it's a thing of hospitality of
04:57:58.640
spirituality it is uh a way of showing kind of sort of like this god's love of of some sort you know
04:58:07.040
and especially to your man because i mean like if he's taking care of you if he's protecting you
04:58:11.840
if he's making sure that he's walking on the side of you know the sidewalk with the street you know he's
04:58:17.680
going to be the first one that's going to uh take on a home intruder or like an alligator or whatever
04:58:23.740
like so the least you can do is be i guess submissive to your guy yeah i like that actually
04:58:29.620
but you're man not just some fucking boy well it's like that that would be the dynamic is she's
04:58:36.240
submissive it's a temperature check it's something that takes no effort it takes no skill anybody can
04:58:42.480
do it i suppose you have to be like able-bodied to some degree like if you're really really disabled
04:58:48.200
you can't do it like you have to be a paraplegic quadriplegic actually to not be able to do a
04:58:53.600
well i guess well you could still bow in a wheelchair i guess but if you're quad
04:58:58.360
it's just you can't do a bow in which case you have way bigger problems than the fucking bow
04:59:05.120
conversation but uh jenny flexion to show respect i think there's levels to submission though
04:59:12.800
like that and even in like actual you know cultures that partake in bowing like in japan for example
04:59:18.880
that was something i experienced when i was in tokyo like the further you bow it's like the deeper
04:59:23.640
respect yeah yes that you give to the person so it's like do you want your bitch on her hands and
04:59:28.840
knees like you know what i mean like where's your she could be like a i think you know i haven't
04:59:34.240
actually have i done this i don't know maybe some ex or some who knows she's a table for me and i eat
04:59:39.940
my food off of her oh okay you're into that just kidding that's not regular tables are better women
04:59:44.960
are not that great of tables okay i don't know my husband would is that is it more sexist is it
04:59:51.920
more sexist to say women don't make good tables they're not sturdy enough i think or is it women
04:59:57.420
have curves so i think that it makes sense that they wouldn't have the best foundation for a table
05:00:03.000
we're kind of squishy yeah maybe all late yeah no i don't know anyways uh i guess a couple things on
05:00:10.320
the bow thing it again it's totally effortless it takes no effort it's an easy thing you can do
05:00:17.600
to show that you respect your man you're going to be submissive you might in your head you're like
05:00:24.680
this is not something i normally do but i like this guy so much that i'm going to do this kind of
05:00:29.700
like eccentric kind of goofy thing at least in your perspective initially i'm going to do this
05:00:36.180
because he asked for it and i like him and i want to do things for him and i want to please him
05:00:43.780
that's what it's checking for but i want to kind of do a bit of a reversal here and examine some of
05:00:50.860
the asks that women have of men uh who here wants a guy to open the car door
05:00:57.220
show of hands show of hands i teach my boys that you want the guy to open the car door should a man
05:01:03.200
open should a man open the car door for a woman yes i believe so should a man open like a door to
05:01:09.800
a restaurant yeah you know open the door whatever for a woman yes should a man observe the sidewalk
05:01:15.280
rule so walking closer to the street in the case of i don't know there's a car blast some water
05:01:21.420
if it's raining or there's there's water in the gutter or even there's an oncoming oncoming danger
05:01:28.060
and he like he's closer to the street so he can protect her from the danger of the streets i agree
05:01:35.020
he's mean streets so hold on um and then of course we've had the conversation a lot of you think men
05:01:39.980
should pay for first dates uh i don't know there's a women put a lot of shoulds on men but when men
05:01:49.840
start saying women should do x oh y'all get very i think i think my take on it is more cultural
05:01:57.740
like i'm not opposed to the bow as the as as what it is and the respect factor of it but the culture
05:02:03.920
i've never grown up doing that or i've ever done that in my life it's just a cultural thing for sure
05:02:07.960
but i understand the sentiment of it and i hear where you're coming from but i feel i've tried to
05:02:13.300
remain consistent and not have double standards and yeah i have these expectations of men i understand
05:02:19.360
that women also fall into gender roles and i'm not ignoring that i'm not like oh men should do this
05:02:25.140
this and that but i don't have to do anything except for whatever i want as a woman like no i i see where
05:02:28.980
you're coming from i feel like you're generalizing a little bit but that probably is the most popular
05:02:33.920
sentiment of what you know women who you've conversated with well i mean i've conversated
05:02:41.020
with a whole bunch of different women but i uh i guess hmm what what there's so many different
05:02:49.200
directions i can take this convo here we could go to the perfect well first i i want to say to all of
05:02:55.560
you like all those things the man should open the car door the man should open the door observe the
05:03:01.600
sidewalk rule so you're placing an expectation on a man the level of physical effort it takes to open
05:03:08.400
the car door or open a door is more than a bow yeah there's no effort to a bow i understand that
05:03:13.240
there's no effort to the bow so it's whereas these other tasks like for example if i pull up in my car
05:03:18.280
and i'm picking you up on a date i realize not all women want this or care about this but
05:03:23.920
you want me to get out of my car walk all the way around like women have the physical strength
05:03:29.980
and capacity yeah to open a car door i don't expect even all the time them opening let's say
05:03:36.700
as someone who does enjoy men who open their car doors i hear where you're coming from that it's
05:03:42.140
tedious but it's really not such a high effort thing at the end of it all to get out of your car and open
05:03:47.540
the door so i agree that it's it is low effort right but it's more what i'm saying is it's more effort
05:03:52.680
than a bow okay so what i'm saying is it's very like super easy for a woman to do this thing but
05:03:57.720
there's a bunch of whereas you're asking men to do we do something could we use another example
05:04:01.520
except for bowing though because i feel like that's kind of i'm about to ask okay how about
05:04:05.260
this um would you agree that perhaps in a traditional relationship relationship dynamic
05:04:10.960
there'd be an expectation for the woman to do laundry yeah okay cool on the first time the first
05:04:17.000
time a girl comes to my house uh-huh she can do my laundry the first time first time you don't feel
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that's a little it can even be too fast for the laundry i feel like laundry like you know washing
05:04:28.480
your underwear that's kind of wait question have you ever hooked up with somebody on the first date
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like first time i'm not judging honestly i have not on the first date but i have hooked up italy
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can i finish i've hooked up wait can i finish i've hooked up with someone at a club before but it was
05:04:42.260
not a date and then i brought them home it was you know we knew the intention the question there is
05:04:48.180
have you ever hooked up with somebody the first time you met them yes i mean you want her to do
05:04:55.380
your laundry though aren't you preoccupied with other things foreplay do you think it's foreplay
05:05:01.820
that's your foreplay oh i get so turned on if she she goes and does my laundry that's okay i am not
05:05:08.360
opposed to that i think it's a little intimate but the laundry's intimate i but not fucking hey i don't
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know that's what's crazy okay this is what's crazy about the no to the bout like women will say
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no i don't want to cook for a guy no i'm not going to make a sandwich no i'm not going to do laundry
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no i'm not going to hit the bow but within hours sometimes minutes not saying you just
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some of y'all women will be gobbling a dick within minutes or hours you'll be sucking a dick
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s-ing the d you'll be you'll let a guy come inside of you but i'm the bad guy i'm the bad guy for
05:05:42.880
wanting my laundry done i'm the sexist but you will let a man insert his penis into you dear
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madame you will let a man which hey if you want to do with me that's okay but you will allow a man to
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blast inside of some girls want to be blasted on their face hold on let me play a noise for that
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shit oh you want a guy to blast all over you blast word yeah and i'm the bad guy because i want her
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to cook and do a little bow and i wait i would be more i feel like we're losing the plot no this is
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the plot the plot is on do you think that opening a car door and a girl doing your laundry is on the
05:06:32.040
same plane do you think that like do you think that's both low maintenance what if it's not
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underwear what if it's just like well no no i would say it's i feel like it is higher effort than
05:06:42.620
opening a door though yeah i i would say i would say i'm not saying that you don't like i'm just
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saying that i feel like but it is higher laundry and opening the car door comparing those two things
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i would say laundry laundry is more is higher maintenance i don't think that compares to
05:06:58.280
opening a door how about this i'll propose a really simple one if women have an expectation
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that men pay on first dates you have to actually break down the math so the math would look something
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like this a lot of you are on the younger side so i don't think it would be unreasonable that
05:07:11.000
some of you younger women you know 22 20 18 21 uh you might go on a date with a guy who maybe makes
05:07:17.640
20 an hour maybe even less if you want a guy to pay for the first date let's say it's reasonable
05:07:23.540
that on the first date the guy the total check cost is 100 bucks that's not like a super fancy
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place that's mid-tier place drinks appetizer main main course dessert tip a guy's paying 100 bucks on
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the first date half of that he's paying for you we're not going to count his half that he's paying
05:07:44.120
for himself if a guy is going to spend 50 for you 100 total but 50 for you and he makes 20 an hour
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you're asking him to work two and a half hours to take you on the date and let's say he works a
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physically demanding job let's say he's a laborer let's say he's digging ditches let's say he's lift
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he's he's moving he's he's a mover and he moves heavy objects whatever it is makes 20 an hour
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you guys are asking a guy to take you on a date two and a half hours of work so think about that
05:08:20.980
saying that's like a ludicrous claim though or like what do you mean do you think that that's
05:08:25.760
not an equal exchange because if it's if this guy clearly is attracted to you wants to get to know
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you better you don't think that's a fair trade-off the two and a half hours of labor for the two hours
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of your time for example that's another power dynamic that happens to exist that benefits women
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i typically think when it comes to relationships of any kind whether it's friendships dating or business
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the person who's doing the reaching out versus the person who's like receiving the offer has way
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more leverage and they have the power and they can set the terms right so uh but essentially you're
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you're saying well it's the guy who they're coming to you they're asking you out so there there's like
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the expectation that he's going to pay or whatever um sorry it's not even that's what i'm saying you're
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just saying you're making it very clear for us to remember that in this scenario the guy works a
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grueling job and he's giving up two and a half hours of that grueling job to go on this date but
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to me if i say yes to a guy going on a date i am obviously physically attracted to him and
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you know i try to be very present and engaging when i go out with people um i like to get to know them
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i don't know you know maybe some girls i actually know for a fact yeah some girls do use guys just
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to get the free meal or whatever but that's not what i would i guess offer to the date i would have
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an engaging conversation and you know what i mean it's it's not like he's getting i think it's a worth
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it trade it's just like my ultimate claim his two and a half hours of labor for that date i feel like
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that's a fair exchange no but the uh is it a fair exchange
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both of you are putting in the time whatever amount of time you spend on the date like there
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on the actual date he also spends said time on the date so then you're getting into a bit of a
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transactional territory there uh-huh uh what about the time it took to get prepared for the date
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that's true yeah it takes you two and a half hours to uh yeah some days yes it does well look
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from my perspective i know some guys are maybe have a different perspective i'm not a big fan of
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makeup so um it doesn't always have to necessarily be makeup okay fine you gotta shave your legs you're
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gonna do your hair you're gonna do your hair does that really take two and a half hours sometimes
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sometimes if i go on the first date with a girl and i give her a no makeup pass i say you don't
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have to wear makeup on this date you can do the other shit that you do to get ready is that how
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sometimes sometimes finding the outfit doing the hair taking the shower outfit pass too uh wear some
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sweatpants and uh a hoodie then where are we going yeah where are we going where do you wear
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okay so so so to consider like the point of dating like the idea of dating is what you want to have
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some time to get to know this person why just for the hell of it no i i would assume if you're going
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out with i don't really like go through my dms and say yes to every guy who asked me on a date it's more
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we had a physical interaction and i enjoyed our conversation i thought you were cute and i would
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like to get to know you better maybe we have similar hobbies similar passions but then what
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what do you mean but say like you have similar hobbies similar passions you guys are like cut
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out for one another and then what like what happens after that well i also i date i i do date
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intentionally i i have my fun i've made that clear you know as in italy whatever i have my fun but when i
05:12:09.660
choose to be in a relationship with someone it's because i see a future with them and you know i
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could see us yeah i'm thinking way down the line but yeah i could maybe see us getting married maybe
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having kids if you know things keep going according to plan and we continue vibing with each other and
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we're compatible um so i don't know yeah we would just keep going out i don't have a particular timeline
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i think that it's different in every relationship that you're in do you think that the guy who really
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wants to be with you gives a shit about your outfit or like well i'll be honest like
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and you know lots of people have different opinions on this but i'm a very look good feel good do good
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type of person so when i'm done up like i'm wearing a cute outfit i have my makeup on i feel good about
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myself and i feel like it sets me off on the right tone to take on my day so it's not it's honestly not
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even really about them i do do it for me but at the same time i'm not going to say oh i don't care what
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they think obviously like i want them to think i look good and whatever but it's it's deeper so
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just to bring it back to the vow though because that's where this conversation stemmed from
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is the reason i was bringing up okay men if you want a guy to pay for the first date the entailment
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of that is he's going to have to work x amount of hours in order to be able to afford the date
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uh-huh that kind of seems like a bigger well it's it's not that it just seems it is a bigger ask
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than a woman bowing okay so you guys place this much bigger ask but then you scoff at this idea
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of doing a completely effort effortless bow like imagine imagine here let me try to do a role reversal
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here imagine if it was the case and look i realize some people go 50 50 but i think generally speaking
05:13:57.740
uh even women who are like more like she claims to be 50 50 or whatever but like you can still as a
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woman go into a date and there will still be guys who will pay for your meal and like even if despite
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your own wants of 50 50 i have a question just one sec but i'll get to it uh so my question is
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if there was a reversal and i as the guy said in order for you to go on a date with me you need to
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do you need to pay for the date you need to work you know however much time it takes you to earn
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bless you 50 bucks yeah you need to work that much before you go on a date with me yeah well i think
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you're kind of just calling attention to the gender roles that this society has kind of enforced our
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whole life which is men being the provider and protector so what do men get so that leads to
05:14:52.840
kind of the bigger picture here is they get to go on a date with an attractive girl what do these
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do women have to men what do men get out of them being traditional like what do we get out of that
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well i feel that your question is more focused on long-term relationships because you are focused
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more on the traditional things such as caretaking and housekeeping that maybe aren't going to happen
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on your first date unless you invite the girl over to go do your laundry and clean your underwear
05:15:24.280
um or bowing for example i think you're trying to equate these two things that are different because
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let's say you're you're kind of hyper focusing on how men have to put this monetary and financial
05:15:41.880
value down to go on a date with a woman and all a woman has to do is bow but obviously one of these
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things is related to money one of these things is almost related to respect and some sort of power
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play because i think some women might not want to bow to you because yes again it's just reinforcing
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this submissive version of themselves like they're they're being submissive to you when they bow to you
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and that may not be every woman's cup of tea i don't know i feel like they're not necessarily
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equal i'm sorry if that wasn't super clear i'm still figuring my own thoughts out not equal like
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the bow is worse is not worse but it's i feel like you're trying to equate money with the bowing
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and the bowing i think is more nuanced than something as simple as okay two hours of labor
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yeah that's i mean i don't think that that's simple necessarily uh-huh what it is i in the grand
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scheme of things it's simple but it's far less simple than a woman simply doing a bow right
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right that that's it's super easy it doesn't cost you anything anybody can do it okay i see where
05:16:57.220
you're coming from i think that in society men paying for dates is more common than women bowing
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to yes i i agree so i think for that reason right so i think you're stuck on the cultural
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i i am i'm trying to wrap my head on this of it yeah if there was some other thing though
05:17:17.200
that is more of a cultural cultural norm right but does manifest itself through female submissiveness
05:17:23.240
yeah what what would that be i'm trying to think of an example do you ladies have any how about this
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how about this this may not occur on the first date but making you food maybe yeah so it's maybe
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the first time she's coming over to the house ever whether that's the second date third date further
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down whatever it is and i ask her uh-huh well i'd hope she just took it upon herself to do this
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i mean it could be the laundry women should just walk into the laundry room i'm telling you ladies i
05:17:57.460
know you're gonna fucking hate this i know the feminist mind virus has plagued you the first time
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you go to a dude's house don't rush to his bedroom rush to his laundry room you don't think some men
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would find that odd they would find it odd they would find it odd in the sense that they've never
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had that experience and it would be kind of perhaps could be deemed quirky but how could it i don't
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think most men are going to view it as a negative if you were like oh hey oh nice place give me the
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oh uh where's your laundry room do you have any laundry yeah could i do a load for you really quick
05:18:37.080
yeah perfect is that a green instead of taking a load of laundry instead of taking a load do a
05:18:45.380
load of laundry i think look all a lot of girls are willing to take a load true not as many women
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are willing to do a load of laundry actually really quick girl i think look i think uh look
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you gotta especially if you're dealing with a guy who has a lot of options you gotta set yourself
05:19:07.800
apart because give pussy a guy who's attractive like that that's not gonna make you stand out
05:19:15.300
like that you gotta bring more to the table than just sex yeah and so how are you gonna do that
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won't do it for you what if she has like the baddest labia you've ever seen but she's not gonna do
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your laundry guinness world it has to be guinness world record-breaking like the fucking
05:19:30.560
dmz won't leave her alone sure okay if she has a guinness world record labia uh the bow won't be
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a deal breaker in that circumstance okay anyways back to my point i'm back to my point i think uh
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if i'm telling you i'm giving you game you don't want to hear it because i'm listening no not you
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okay you seem the world you seem pretty open-minded i don't know if you're gonna agree at the end of the
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day and that's fine but uh you've been a good sport with everything but i'm telling you these
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small little things that take a little effort i know you're gonna feel kind of cringe doing it
05:20:08.520
but it will put it will make the guy like you more and some people are gonna say oh you don't want
05:20:16.220
to be a pick me i'm telling you you do these small little gestures that don't really take much
05:20:20.800
work don't take much effort and it the guy is gonna be like if your goal is to get the if you
05:20:26.340
just want to fuck the guy then whatever who cares is that what you really want though yes if you want
05:20:32.040
the guy if you want the guy doing these small little things will set you apart and it's it look
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there's certain things i think to myself like for the perfect woman or like a really amazing woman
05:20:46.080
there are certain things i'm willing to compromise on like what uh shit i mean i'm not gonna go into
05:20:52.540
that but uh there's certain things anyways uh good talk
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i'm not gonna go into it but uh okay well here i'll give the example this is even crazier
05:21:08.420
from the guy's perspective i would for the perfect woman i would do a bow and that's a big l from a
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dude oh interesting to do a bow to a woman yeah i did not expect but like for the perfect woman
05:21:21.400
yeah i'll even fuck it why not but in my head i'm like okay the perfect woman is like a trillionaire
05:21:27.200
and like trillionaire trillionaire like physically everything about her is my type personality
05:21:34.300
everything about her is my type yeah i'm never gonna ever encounter this in real life yeah so yeah
05:21:39.800
okay i'll sure i'll do a fucking bow once a day why not what about your future wife
05:21:45.360
would you want your potential prospect to be looking up your house on zillow before meeting you
05:21:51.000
wait what yeah like finding the layout of your home so she can get to the laundry room oh right
05:21:56.960
yeah you mentioned that uh last time uh sure okay yes yeah check yeah write that down you guys
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yeah right if anyone's plotting uh but you know i think uh here maybe to do the laundry
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clean cook no you don't like any of this you don't like these ideas i feel like
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if i'm going on a first date oh i feel like if i'm going on a first date or anything like
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what is the guy expecting of me after that date because i have a friend that goes on a lot of dates
05:22:36.020
and every time he pays he gets upset if the girl doesn't give out oh well i mean i don't think so i
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think in our generation a lot of guys only want to go on a date if the girl is going to put out at the
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end of that date so then there are a lot of girls that won't go on the dates in general because
05:22:53.080
they don't want to put out yeah i mean i think they just want to get to know with the person
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yeah i think that's like a shitty dynamic for a guy to be like if i do this then you should
05:23:02.960
like the guy what is i think it's what is your intention going on that date and spending money
05:23:08.900
on that date i just want to clarify one thing on that though i don't think it's like i'm kind of
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i think it's okay for the man to want to hook up with you but if he expects it
05:23:24.400
because he paid for the date and like that manifests itself in behavior and he's like
05:23:30.860
trying to guilt trip you and like he gets all butthurt that you didn't hook up with him i have
05:23:36.320
a lot of guy friends then that's yeah that's wrong that complain after and they're like i
05:23:40.000
don't think it's wrong for the man to have the desire but if he has the expectation and he gets
05:23:48.680
bent out of shape if you don't yeah yeah that's goofy shit that's goofy shit that's a boy and it's
05:23:53.820
gonna it's gonna lose you the girl uh so yeah i don't know don't do that i mean that's the only
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thing but how do you know when a guy is going to be that type of guy i suppose you i feel like yeah
05:24:08.040
you gotta find out i mean there's probably some tells some indicators but okay final thing on the
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then we have to move it on to a new topic will you bow for the perfect guy no no i forgot who said no
05:24:24.280
who said yes i said i'd have a conversation but i'm likely to lean no but you said you want the guy
05:24:29.220
to pay for the first date right i do and what if the guy says listen i'm open to paying for the first
05:24:36.000
date but i want to have a conversation with you about it first how would you feel about that i think
05:24:42.260
it's because paying for the first date as a man is more accepted in the social norm whereas bowing
05:24:49.040
isn't that's where i'm hesitant to the bowing so i don't i think that's like some bullshit you should
05:24:54.840
pay for the first date so my my perspective on the bow i i personally think i think it is a sign of
05:25:01.720
respect but i think it's also kind of a playful thing okay like if she's kind of giggling are you
05:25:06.240
sure yeah you don't want her to be like locked the hell in and like you know really oh i mean that's
05:25:11.780
good too that's what do you prefer though really think about it really think about it what do you
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want i want her to do the bow okay if she giggles while she does it i'm not bent out of shape over it
05:25:22.060
okay uh i didn't know how serious this was because it is a serious no i i don't my approach
05:25:28.540
my approach to it is it could like if she wants to take it seriously uh i don't want her to do it in
05:25:36.040
the mocking way like i'm doing this uh begrudgingly right right right but if she's doing it
05:25:41.060
with it maybe okay she can if she wants to or if she wants to take it more seriously like then
05:25:48.000
that's good too heard um perfect guy would you bow for the perfect guy perfect guy is he exact looks
05:25:57.680
all your looks requirements all your personality requirements loyal will never cheat uh billionaire
05:26:04.800
that's the perfect guy won't bow for the perfect guy it's like if i couldn't have him unless i bowed
05:26:10.780
then okay i'd bow yes that is the you must bow everyone would bow you're lying if you said you
05:26:17.380
wouldn't bow or you hate your life it's one of the two um i would bow would you bow for the
05:26:22.940
sex worker dude who you're giving no are you saying that's your dream guy
05:26:27.900
i don't think so i mean um you wouldn't do it wait i have a question for you um
05:26:34.300
if a company you're you do modeling right or you said you do modeling uh for certain brands yeah
05:26:41.240
okay what if a uh i don't know what's a fucking hold on guys i know sorry i'm gonna get to the
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ttss in just a sec i see a couple ttss coming through i know you guys are probably waiting for
05:26:54.760
them i apologize for the delay i'm gonna get them in just a sec
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i don't know some big modeling company or some maybe fuck it uh walmart goes full retard and they
05:27:07.680
want to hire you to uh work at walmart nine to five monday through friday but they're going to pay
05:27:13.940
you 10 million dollars a year to do it all you have to do is uh just do a little bow to all the
05:27:20.260
guests that walk through that's it you greet you're a greeter that gets paid 10 mil a year
05:27:25.020
no offense to you no offense to anybody at this table probably even myself well yeah even myself
05:27:31.340
and i will see probably nobody here is going to make be making 10 million dollars a year
05:27:37.360
no offense anybody probably not going to happen uh i mean some of you might say speak for yourself
05:27:43.640
anyways would you take that job how long am i doing that job for oh i mean it could be as
05:27:54.640
maybe you're like you know what i can live off of 10 mil so i'll do it for a year yeah because it's
05:28:00.960
a greeter it's their way of greeting it's not a form of like submitting to your partner like if you
05:28:07.920
said you're submitting to your employer instead i think that's more of just the way they're asking
05:28:15.280
me to greet their guests and every employer has different ways of greeting guests like i've worked
05:28:20.240
at an amusement park and had a weird ass for me to like greet the guests i've worked at in retail
05:28:25.560
where a character in like a what were the suits called a mascot suit no i'm not short enough okay
05:28:31.860
um what kind of jobs have you had like have you ever worked retail have you worked at a restaurant i
05:28:36.820
worked at in retail for the past two years i was a personal stylist i worked at an amusement park in
05:28:43.380
three different jobs what was the amusement park job uh i did ride photo i did front gate photography
05:28:49.920
i did food service food service and then the food service job did that ever involve cleaning
05:28:56.520
yeah and it did it ever involve like taking uh orders from customers you know like okay what can
05:29:03.800
i get you hey how's your day going yeah can i get you some more water yeah that's not i'm not mocking
05:29:10.040
your voice yeah this is my girl voice no i get it um and then you had a boss who would say show up at
05:29:16.120
this time yeah you had a boss that said go over there do this yeah yeah sometimes were they mean to
05:29:21.560
you have you ever had a bad boss um not mean in that way okay but you've had a boss who gave you
05:29:31.060
direction yeah yeah basically okay how much did you get paid for that job uh at the amusement park
05:29:39.440
five dollars an hour it was in pennsylvania is it hershey park whoa five dollars an hour yes was that
05:29:47.400
like 15 years ago a while ago shit that's still their minimum wage 725 is the minimum wage in
05:29:53.240
pennsylvania currently because i was under 16 oh so they exploited you but so just back to this
05:30:01.600
though been there so it's interesting to me though so i i gave you the opportunity to do
05:30:08.440
a bow once a day for your perfect man and this perfect man could be a billionaire to the point
05:30:15.000
where you're set up for life if you're with him and i assume you'd want to stay with him for life
05:30:19.680
because he's the perfect guy right my perfect guy wouldn't make me do that well it's perfect
05:30:25.960
but this right yeah so like perfect but i don't know it could be anything like they're perfect but
05:30:33.720
i prefer brunettes but they have blonde hair like everything else about them is perfect but x thing
05:30:39.160
so it's interesting to me you'll do like this you'll work the you worked for five dollars an hour
05:30:48.140
yeah and you were submissive to your employer for five dollars an hour but you could be with a guy
05:30:58.040
who asks one thing of you just this one thing that's way easier than all the things you had to
05:31:04.560
do at that job but you won't do it because it's why the meaning behind that one thing it kind of
05:31:12.820
devalues me as a person you think being a wage slave for a giga corporation is not
05:31:19.880
you don't think that that is worse i don't know i mean when i was 15 years old and that's the only
05:31:27.260
place i can get a job because i'm literally 15 years old well yeah why would i not take a job i can
05:31:34.000
have that's not really in dispute here what's in dispute is now you're 25 and i don't do those
05:31:40.440
jobs anymore sure but i'm presenting to you a hypothetical yeah and i i mean i'm not sure
05:31:45.300
even the jobs you currently take there's somebody who's directing you somebody who's telling you to
05:31:51.640
do xyz is that fair in the current job i have no i'm like i work for myself what do you do for work
05:32:00.280
social media content creation and brand marketing yes but i'm telling them what to do
05:32:06.880
okay so you're consulting or whatever yeah okay you have had experience though yes working some
05:32:12.280
shitty job i like i get that you don't do it now you did do those jobs you would in the future do
05:32:18.100
a job where somebody was giving you orders to do something if it paid like 10 million dollars a year
05:32:23.940
as a crazy example working at walmart literally doing the thing that you won't do for your perfect guy
05:32:31.700
because it's the value is different it like getting paid to do something is different than
05:32:39.720
my partner asking me to submit to him like if he's asking me for a kiss on the cheek every day like
05:32:47.020
greeting him when i when he gets home from work okay that's different than a bow
05:32:51.120
it's just it it's emblematic of the unwillingness for women to do an even harmless benign
05:33:01.600
ask because of the determination that it's submissive i think it's devaluing me as a human
05:33:09.580
it's like okay usually if like somebody's going to bow to you it's like they're your servant this so
05:33:16.320
this brings us to our next i'm not their servant would you want a guy to be willing you want a guy
05:33:20.520
to protect you right yeah okay so i think it devalues men that women want men to die for them
05:33:27.940
so how does this work out even the sidewalk rule observing the sidewalk rule women want men to
05:33:34.960
walk closer to the street so the entailment of that is if a car comes like barreling down the road
05:33:41.960
and i don't know goes whatever they're drunk or fucking tire blows whatever he's more likely to
05:33:47.340
take the blow from the car and die or be injured than the woman that's kind of where this stems from
05:33:52.880
that that that's the originate well not totally the origination that goes further back like
05:33:57.440
streets were dirty so i don't know whatever fucking i think horses and shit um
05:34:04.300
oh what i was gonna say i think the difference between that and the situation is that men want
05:34:10.440
to do that i've talked to a lot of men that want to die for their family i love it men want to do
05:34:17.940
want they want to be protectors they want to be do you not feel any instinctual almost desire to
05:34:26.000
protect your woman yeah uh yeah i do absolutely i think that's what you're saying basically but
05:34:31.820
women have an expectation on men that men do fulfill that role and there's i think if the expectation on
05:34:40.400
men is you have to be willing to die for me you better be willing to fucking bow for me if you have
05:34:47.340
an expectation that i have to fucking die that's way crazier that's a bigger way bigger ask way
05:34:54.960
bigger ask but yeah of course i want to protect i'll protect my girl shit i remember a couple years
05:35:00.500
back i was kicking it with my girl and there was a raccoon and she was scared of the fucking raccoon
05:35:05.620
and uh and i fucking i'm not going to go into detail but i took care of the raccoon oh shoot you killed
05:35:14.620
it no i didn't i didn't say i killed it i took care it was off the record i made it an offer it
05:35:22.800
couldn't refuse the raccoon was being aggressive i didn't want the raccoon to give my fucking
05:35:28.420
girlfriend rabies yeah probably rabid so raccoon put you in a self-defense situation and i dealt with
05:35:34.140
good but i put myself at risk okay raccoons have raccoons can fuck somebody up oh they can they're
05:35:41.940
not playing okay i have a question for you because i think this might clear something yeah let's clear
05:35:47.420
clear it up okay would you rather would you rather die in in combat or or protecting your family or
05:35:54.560
would you rather die um i don't know i need another scenario die i don't know by falling down the
05:36:02.200
stairs yeah chuckle on a sandwich protecting my family protecting my family based valor yeah
05:36:09.600
because it's like you yeah you want to die you want that like no but i'd rather die in honor
05:36:15.040
obviously but if you have the choice and and obviously you would choose combat because you
05:36:23.420
want that right no i wouldn't what no i would not pick combat what you wouldn't want to die out and
05:36:28.820
like a shootout and like be like yeah i'm a fucking man i protected my family like that's
05:36:32.380
fucking cool no i thought you would well i thought you put them together stop stop stop hold on the
05:36:40.020
original comparison was would you rather die protecting your family or die at war no no if
05:36:46.180
it's between the two i would much rather die protecting my family than in some war no no it was
05:36:52.840
either or and then that situation or would you like rather die falling down the stairs choking
05:36:57.480
on a sandwich or something that was the well i think i don't think you thought that that question
05:37:01.520
i think maybe i didn't i think even those two like there there's a big difference obviously you're
05:37:06.260
dying for honor both of the scenario but you're making a larger closer impact when you're dying for
05:37:10.240
your family versus dying for a country per se and not all our wars are totally justified so
05:37:19.020
y'all want a protector and the ultimate potential manifestation of a man being a protector is
05:37:27.620
to die protecting you and you can't hit a bow i can't i can't argue that i mean it is an ultimate
05:37:34.640
sacrifice yeah i'm bowing good w's i said that i would so yeah some of the people here said no
05:37:43.360
i still don't get the like the walmart thing though that's my confusion because i'm getting
05:37:48.180
paid you're getting but if you're with but if you're with the billionaire like a somebody who's
05:37:57.380
a billionaire that's a lot more than for them i'm their partner yeah but if you're like if you're
05:38:03.120
that's why i said are you looking for an assistant or a girlfriend are you looking for a boyfriend or
05:38:09.640
a father a bodyguard i'm not oh yeah that's a good one are you looking for a husband a boyfriend
05:38:17.960
or a bodyguard i don't like it's like i just want a partner i want a friendship i want somebody to grow
05:38:27.060
with me are you looking for a boyfriend or an atm machine are you looking for a boyfriend
05:38:33.840
a boyfriend or a pay pig i i don't care about money i support myself you definitely care about
05:38:39.440
money i mean you said you want a guy to pay for first dates and be a provider i'm financially
05:38:44.100
independent okay so you date a guy who makes i want a man i don't need a man there's a difference
05:38:49.080
mcdonald's or doesn't have a job i have you'd be fine with that your preference
05:38:54.640
uh i would like values i want a man that has drive and motivation and like wants a career for himself
05:39:04.340
but i don't expect his career to be like rich i don't need a man to be rich do you want to be the
05:39:12.020
breadwinner no i don't need to be the breadwinner do you i don't know i don't know if you're realizing
05:39:16.540
how like circular and how like completely fucked your logic is i think you know i think you're i don't
05:39:22.320
values have not quite fully been defined and i don't really know because the value is based on
05:39:28.800
the connection i have with that person it's i'm not going after money it's not about that you said
05:39:33.560
earlier that you could be like three four dates in with a guy and that if mr sex worker whore comes
05:39:41.560
back and was like i will commit to you you'll be like okay i feel like that proves that she doesn't
05:39:47.900
based off of monetary value because this is a guy who is a sex worker if he wanted i'm just i'm just
05:39:56.020
saying in the argument that you guys are making right now and saying that she believes in more
05:39:59.100
monetary value i feel like that example does not go with your argument okay um well we have a couple
05:40:05.980
chats we got to get through here we're gonna shift off of this topic uh okay wait did i oh davon
05:40:13.160
i'm sorry bro this i apologize for the delay devon jackson donated 100 did i do this one what do i get
05:40:20.020
in return your fucking bills paid a man that's willing to die for you a man that wants to make
05:40:26.500
your life as easy as possible and give you options it takes a half sec to be why fight it
05:40:32.840
thank you davon what yes what do men get in return what do men get happiness happy you get happiness
05:40:42.220
no it's a lot of stress a lot of stress for the women for the guys or for the guy for the guy
05:40:47.220
to deal with a woman yeah but women get stressed out too innately but it's all stressful but it's all
05:40:52.820
supposed to be about love but you get that too yeah so but the there's one direction in which
05:41:01.100
the protecting and the providing goes so what's the one direction that women give to men
05:41:08.400
not the fucking band giving them children because that's the one thing that men can't do
05:41:14.660
that that is the answer but she doesn't want to have kids so what is the one thing i don't even like
05:41:19.720
kids yeah what's the what's the one thing the one direction oh my one direction not the fucking band
05:41:25.260
the one thing that by the way davon that i'm sorry your tts took so long if you send in a 10
05:41:34.220
we'll treat it as a a read if you if you want you don't have to but we'll give you a like a sort of
05:41:40.000
freebie kind of if you want to send in uh what do men get one directionally
05:41:49.480
protect me be my security guard be my atm machine provide
05:41:56.920
what do men get what duties do women have to men
05:42:02.600
to be there for them but that goes the other way yeah it does but a girl doesn't have to do that for
05:42:11.420
all men like girls choose to do that right but a guy can stay with a girl just because she's prettier
05:42:18.960
just because she's young a lot of guys just pay to be with women that's so i i agree so here's where
05:42:25.160
i i guess i agree men are getting ripped off men are not getting a fair deal so i agree that like a
05:42:32.800
woman so if a woman is doing the respect the loving the caring for that man why is that not a fair
05:42:40.580
trade-off when he could just pay for a girl that doesn't care about him i'm not really following
05:42:46.720
you're asking for an assistant does she actually care you're asking for a security guard in an atm
05:42:51.660
machine i'm not yes you are you want a guy to protect and provide yeah men are really good at
05:42:59.760
admitting how they can sacrifice i noticed they're really good at communicating that but women have such
05:43:04.620
a hard time discussing what they can sacrifice what do women crazy what do women bring to the table
05:43:10.180
usually what we're sacrificing is is our i don't know for to some degree like our ability to you
05:43:17.760
know work and make money and all that but like you're also like raising kids you're taking care
05:43:21.860
of your home sacrifice that's a good you know yeah right but it's but it's a but it's a valid one
05:43:26.360
it is absolutely one i would gladly like not work for like a decade if like i got to you know stay
05:43:32.420
home and take care of my home take care of my kids take care of my animals take care of my man
05:43:36.920
take you know but women will submit to their employer but they won't submit to their husbands
05:43:42.160
that's that's what i'm saying won't keep you warm exactly it means nothing i think that in you know
05:43:47.960
withholding the traditional values of a woman being a caretaker both you know of the house and of the
05:43:54.400
family i think that in a sense she's sacrificing her autonomy in a way that maybe you aren't as a man
05:44:00.880
because she cannot let's say she has a passion she wants to be a musician or whatever she wants
05:44:06.420
to be a doctor she's focused on those household tasks rather than pursuing that i mean you can
05:44:14.320
treat it as a hobby i mean like you know i enjoy music i enjoy yeah but i'm just saying she wouldn't
05:44:19.060
be able to achieve her career goals if that was her priority you know so i would review that as a
05:44:26.500
privilege though the privilege to not have to work men don't unless there's rare i hear where
05:44:32.620
you're coming from there's really rare situations where some people do love what they do so men have
05:44:38.340
really only two scenarios they can ever fall into they they can get into a 50 50 or they can be the
05:44:44.740
primary breadwinner but it's really rare that a man can ever go into any sort of dating situation
05:44:51.700
with the expectation that the woman is going to take care of everything i realize that it
05:44:56.240
occasionally happens i think the women financially yeah i think the women are typically really
05:45:01.240
dissatisfied with that dynamic even boss babes are like the fuck is this scrub yeah definitely but i
05:45:08.600
kind of think that's a privilege to like if you find a guy who's willing to take care of you
05:45:13.320
that's a privilege to not have to work working sucks yeah that's a good working sucks i think it's a
05:45:20.660
difference in values though because i will say that i i myself i don't consider myself money
05:45:26.980
motivated i know plenty of other women who aren't money motivated i i know plenty of struggling artist
05:45:33.360
friends who would choose that life over maybe a more soft and comfortable life but they're not
05:45:38.540
pursuing their passions right well then then you get into the passion people can have a choice i think
05:45:44.960
people can have choices but i think as a woman if you're going to start holding men to
05:45:50.200
traditional gender expectations traditional gender roles i think look a lot of women can
05:45:56.100
still get it you can be a total degenerate modern woman and still get men who are going to pay for
05:46:01.560
dates be a protector do all these things i'm just saying from a bird's eye perspective looking down at
05:46:07.060
the chessboard it seems like a pretty raw deal for men women continue to reap the benefits of
05:46:12.900
traditional behavior and men but they won't be traditional women women have completely uh not
05:46:19.440
revoked isn't the right word women have forsaken their traditional roles but still demand men adhere
05:46:26.220
to theirs and i think women can still get it but it's a really raw deal for men i'm gonna let a couple
05:46:32.360
chats come through before i do though i want to try to get the people who haven't been able to say as
05:46:37.100
much to do you want to weigh in on this convo or nothing to add ellie what about you you want to
05:46:41.440
weigh in nothing you want to just keep death staring yes the cameras okay rock and roll we have a chat
05:46:47.240
here davon oh thank you man appreciate it man oops devon jackson donated 100 cheers man thank you
05:46:53.020
i'm more than happy to pay the full amount to make these women think for once in their lives
05:46:57.720
chair one is awful and chair four talked about paying for chefs and maids men get nothing from women
05:47:04.300
like this who's chair one and chair four uh chair one you're chair four what did i do so i guess
05:47:09.720
here i'll pose the question again i'll pose the question again what women want men to do xyz women
05:47:17.780
want men to be protectors and providers that's one directional that goes from men to women what
05:47:23.960
do women do what duties do women have what do women do uniquely to women we raised the kids
05:47:34.220
we have well to you since it's kind of directed to you could you repeat the question one more time
05:47:39.140
i didn't want to take up more time speaking so what duties do women have either to men or to society
05:47:45.460
um well in terms of gender roles i feel like i've discussed the duties that women have yeah i said
05:47:52.720
theoretically if me and my partner were in a position where we were financially free and able
05:47:58.580
to get help around the house such as a chef and maid that would be ideal for me just because i have
05:48:03.980
other interests and hobbies but i do think those are things that women traditionally provide so i
05:48:11.500
think that you think but i mean realistically speaking most people are not going to have the
05:48:15.620
level of wealth yeah so i i i think in that scenario then the women can provide that if you adhere to a
05:48:25.180
traditional relationship which is the topic of this conversation i'm gonna let some more chats come
05:48:30.180
through uh inaccroachable i apologize for the delay on these you sent
05:48:34.800
inaccroachable donated 100 the only reasonable thing to do after a woman does your laundry on the
05:48:43.400
first day sorry for the delay what's your ring size so he's saying essentially if a woman that's
05:48:49.700
wifey material yeah you do the laundry i don't know you want to get the guy maybe you know do the
05:48:57.320
thing i'll add it to the inaccroachable i apologize for the delay for getting that in um if you want
05:49:03.300
to send in a 10 we'll treat it because of the delay i know it doesn't totally make up for the delay of
05:49:09.500
pulling it up you want to send in a 10 we'll treat it as a a read uh tts basically thank you man
05:49:15.520
thank you walmart thank you walmart boss donated two hundred dollars i would bow for the 10 million
05:49:22.180
then head over to mykonos for a vacation easy that's what that's where i get confused is
05:49:28.380
you'll do all these things within the framework of an employer employee dynamic
05:49:35.460
and by the way your employer will fire you when it's just there's no loyalty like employers especially
05:49:44.360
major corporations won't show you any loyalty the moment you become whatever whatever they're
05:49:51.540
they're gone they're gonna fire you you could work for a company for actually you know what i want to
05:49:56.540
tell you guys something uh my dad was working for this company for something like 20 30 years
05:50:03.080
he recently retired and uh i hope he's okay with me i'm not going to share details but um
05:50:09.980
and he was working he could have and he was well paid he was uh i'll leave i don't want to go into
05:50:16.760
details but he could have like jumped ship oftentimes the best way to make more money
05:50:22.740
is not to ask for a raise it's to go to a different company that's the way most people
05:50:27.380
have like big jumps in their salary and their income he stayed with this company for 20 30 years
05:50:33.900
something like that and uh they let him go sorry he was kind of planning on retiring
05:50:41.320
a little bit later down the line soon anyways but they fired him he was with them for 20 30 years
05:50:47.960
no there wasn't any uh i don't know it's like the typical hr
05:50:54.680
he got paid severance but it was very impersonal and he was upset by it because he's like hey i've been
05:51:01.740
working for this company for 20 30 years and not even like a thank you for your if you're gonna
05:51:08.340
fire somebody who's worked for you for 20 30 years yeah you should you know have a little not just like
05:51:14.540
the hr lady who's been there for six months calls you in who's fucking mid-20s you know is this he's
05:51:20.180
an you know older guy you you have i don't know maybe the ceo says something whatever so he's a
05:51:25.960
little upset by that that's what's gonna happen though with your corporations you're gonna you're
05:51:30.480
gonna work work work you're gonna labor labor labor and they'll just get rid of you and they're
05:51:34.660
gonna i'm telling you a corporation the boss whatever kind of work you're gonna do it's gonna
05:51:41.340
ask way more of you than the husband will yeah and it's meaningless work too so that's where i'm
05:51:45.640
confused with this i won't bow for the perfect guy but i will clean tables and clean toilets and
05:51:51.940
clean bathrooms and do all this for a company and make 20 an hour five dollars an hour but you won't
05:51:59.940
bow for the perfect guy okay just kind of i don't know whatever shit shit okay all right we've got
05:52:08.900
more chats coming through uh thank you man uh iron man underscore 960 donated 100 i would like to
05:52:19.260
see all of these women do an experiment they should start a profile as a man and try to get a woman to
05:52:25.040
date them using mid pick and their income can't be more than the median income why would we do that
05:52:32.240
that wouldn't work sounds like a lot of work yeah i'm already that is that is a good idea do we have
05:52:39.240
uh oh we do have uh age do we have nick do you have those pulled up age and gender swap okay we'll get
05:52:49.040
to that in a bit we're like my brother thank you iron man though thank you that is a good point
05:52:54.520
you know i think the big thing is if you were to put i don't know i think average women don't want
05:53:00.920
average men that's and if you guys were to hop on a dating app and like gender swap your photos
05:53:08.260
you'd be like damn she if i was born a man i'd be an incel basically do you think average men want
05:53:17.460
average women 100 oh yeah absolutely how often do you think mothers before anything is signed and
05:53:23.380
before being asked to do so volunteer to get dna tests done for their babies that's right i have no
05:53:28.860
idea volunteer zero percent zero zero percent really i yeah maybe there's a couple there's
05:53:35.740
like a couple women who are like the only reason you would volunteer to get a dna test if you're
05:53:40.060
not sure the yeah open or polyamorous relationship which i feel like if you're volunteering or it could
05:53:48.340
just be like a really based woman you're trying to figure something out who volunteers i guess it
05:53:52.340
should be mandatory oh by the way guys tts is down to a hundred now we've lowered it if you guys want
05:53:57.360
to get the tts in hundred dollar tts christopher donated one hundred dollars if you want the man
05:54:05.360
you could at least provide him the security that the family is actually his and offer to get the dna
05:54:12.260
test done as soon as possible before he even asks i think that's totally valid and i would hope that
05:54:18.240
well in in the sense it wouldn't even need to happen because you're so sure it's yours but
05:54:22.920
it would happen out of the respect and the comfort and knowledge of knowing that's but i feel like i
05:54:30.180
feel like if you have different though that's that's your child i feel like you have to just some men
05:54:34.120
have been tricked you know raising a kid that's not actually there's biologically women have too
05:54:39.640
because the babies they can get switched at birth oh that's true that's true like way more than you
05:54:45.520
would think yeah damn boozled uh we have baja here thank you christopher though thank you
05:54:50.900
donated one hundred dollars after listening to everyone talk ellie is the only single girl that
05:54:57.260
is a wife ellie barely talked so i think that says a lot about you i finally find a wife material girl
05:55:03.460
but i am out of her age range oh what does that mean um i'm scared right how old are you
05:55:10.940
baja what would you have like a send in a resume oh baja she hasn't that's not an outright rejection
05:55:18.800
what details do you want to know about baja baja yeah age would be great ethnicity probably you
05:55:26.160
only did location such a real name good time um i mean that's pretty much it baseline and then
05:55:34.540
everything else more details just age and race that age race i mean he says i'm good wife material
05:55:39.980
i mean i'll take what i can get that sounds like a great deal he wants you to baby bird him
05:55:46.020
of course yes obedience first you want to know his job you want to know anything else job i mean
05:55:54.700
yeah i'd hope that um he's not a sex worker i'd maybe ask for his shots fired test results test results
05:56:02.740
yeah just like you know sexually transmitted diseases how many sexual partners he's had in his
05:56:08.760
entire life body count yeah how good at math are you yeah exactly here we'll do this baja age
05:56:15.120
race job body count and how many if you have um oh and if you're vaccinated if you have vd
05:56:23.320
that's you want them to be vaxxed or not vaxxed well don't say that because then he's going to say
05:56:28.840
whatever you want yeah i need to tell me if he's vaccinated or not the the fauci ouchie okay all
05:56:35.660
right she needs to know all right we have young serpent young underscore serpent donated one hundred
05:56:44.400
dollars it is depressing to watch the current dating scene feels like a lot women today want an atm
05:56:51.380
bodyguard and model all in one but don't want to be partners what happened to the 80s slash 90s type
05:56:58.900
of love is there anything specific you're asking though what do you want out of the partnership what
05:57:03.500
what does 80s 90s type of love mean what does that mean as a woman i think johnny polygon said it really
05:57:10.700
well the worst thing to happen to your love life was the internet okay yeah so just being present i
05:57:17.500
guess i have a good one on this young serpent she does ask what do you mean by 80s 90s type of love
05:57:24.540
young serpent if you want to send another one in tell us what what that is what is 80s 90s type of love
05:57:31.900
who here has a tiktok account who here doom scrolls try not to but all right how about this
05:57:42.120
how about this forget the bow forget the bow your boyfriend in his determination
05:57:47.740
this is a bit redundant has deemed that it's bad for you to be on tiktok doom scrolling and he says
05:57:58.400
i want you to delete tiktok from your phone and instagram reels and snapchat and facebook and
05:58:08.080
her piece of mind let's just let's just keep it tiktok's the most arse retarded so
05:58:14.140
we're loud we're we've guys here at the chat we've eased up on some of our uh you know tos language we've
05:58:24.920
we've eased up on it i guess all these platforms are like more chill with some of the shit anyways
05:58:30.360
um what was i saying you were saying your boyfriend wants to delete oh yeah tiktok's the most retarded
05:58:37.180
so he's just like whatever you can have facebook reels whatever but you have to delete tiktok
05:58:44.300
is he asking or telling me he can put parental controls on my phone if that needs to be
05:58:50.340
parental controls i think that's a good argument and what you were talking about how being somebody
05:58:56.020
mentioned it i think it was you about how being online is like the worst thing for your relationship
05:58:59.600
and i think that is what whoever made the comment about wanting the 80s 90s type of love it's yeah i
05:59:06.460
think social media does have a lot of cons to it but i will be honest i am a content creator and i do
05:59:11.920
make money from social media i see a lot of the pros i acknowledge that there are cons to it such as
05:59:17.700
doom scrolling and frying your brain and your dopamine and comparison xyz i wouldn't do it
05:59:23.440
though because i do enjoy the lifestyle that i live because of social media but i think that there
05:59:28.840
is a lot of beauty and humanity to being totally disconnected from social media it's just i'm not
05:59:33.860
in a place where i can do that to be honest so what if it was all just gone tomorrow then i think that
05:59:38.600
would be beautiful but but like that's not a reality well okay so like how would you feel if you
05:59:43.920
didn't eat breakfast this morning i'd i'd probably be okay so there's the hypothetical engagement there
05:59:50.220
like if it was all gone uh-huh no social media no internet uh-huh gone yeah what would you do
05:59:58.940
learn to live without it i feel like that's not what you asked that's like your but that's like
06:00:03.780
your livelihood so i mean obviously i mean it's not my only source of income it is one of my sources
06:00:09.240
of income and i just i enjoy social media i like making a little thirst trap sue me i like being a
06:00:15.400
gen z baby um so yeah i would figure out how to live without it and i'm sure that you know we would
06:00:22.080
all have much more genuine relationships with the people around us if social media doesn't exist but
06:00:26.500
it does exist and it's not going to go anywhere so i welcome a blackout i hope one day it's never
06:00:33.720
gonna happen total black with the way the technology is advancing it's never gonna happen
06:00:37.900
never know uh question for ellie though you know the chat's fucking simping over you but ellie can
06:00:43.920
you you know what we got to change it change shit up a little bit okay ellie do you want to tell us
06:00:48.880
tell the chat like what red flags you have red flags of which there are many right gosh that i have
06:00:56.480
that you have personal red flags about me yeah like okay dispel some of this like caution proceed
06:01:03.440
with caution um red flag i guess i'm really insecure and i think that kind of comes off narcissistic
06:01:14.880
sometimes because i'm so like worried about like my image or whatever and that kind of like i always
06:01:21.040
think about how others are perceiving me so that can get annoying maybe um i use a lot of filler
06:01:26.780
words like almond like i am a zoomer so i'm on my phone all day um i don't really get out much
06:01:33.520
um i don't know what else there's some probing questions that i can go with here
06:01:39.840
any of like something about your background or something that is red flag or what's the craziest
06:01:46.240
thing you've ever done to like a partner or an ex or something i don't have any she hasn't even
06:01:50.460
held hands she's very pure oh yes wait would you hold hands with a girl huh well yes not in a
06:01:55.680
romantic way okay yeah no there's there's no homo relations going on here good for you i haven't
06:02:04.360
found that out about myself yet job right on nothing wrong with those homo relations by the way
06:02:09.540
chat you made a good choice what uh awkward what about like like you like you you turn your socks
06:02:18.000
inside out like when you're done like a red a real red flag i feel like that's a beige it's not really
06:02:23.740
that right um do you have any mental illnesses well i did get prescribed zoloft but i never picked up
06:02:32.380
my prescription because um like i don't know ssris are kind of freaky yeah they have that okay oh dude
06:02:39.740
we got decoy voice in the chat you know what uh hey nick pull up decoy voices instagram wait let me
06:02:45.900
just uh decoy voice i'm gonna get you a girlfriend bro i'm your wing i'm winning the guy who i am no
06:02:52.200
somebody else uh decoy let me check do you have photos on your instagram or is it just like you post
06:02:57.540
uh do you post oh okay oh wait okay decoy bts on instagram all right pull him up uh oh i got you
06:03:08.540
decoy all right he's a youtuber now look 3 000 followers on instagram but let me just you know build
06:03:16.300
him up a little bit here click on that youtube link from decoy voice click that shit uh wait hold
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on check it before just just do a quick check make sure it's like there's nothing
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you know he's not posting like weird shit it's fine it's clean okay yeah go ahead we gotta be
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careful when we open up links live you know all right pull it up all right oh look at this guy hey
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by the way get this fucking guy to a million subscribers what the fuck this guy's been grinding
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50 49 000 subscribers away i like his thumb get him get him over the uh get him over the precipice
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get him over the edge that sounded weird okay uh scroll down this guy does good views okay he's not
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nothing uh oh my goodness 500k views five days ago congratulations man so successful guy don't let
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the 3 000 on instagram whatever and there's more to somebody than their following count okay pull up
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the instagram again though just want to say he's not a scrub he's no scrub all right okay he's with
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brett cooper he got her pregnant can you click the brett cooper picture click the click the brett
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cooper picture the girl good job decoy you know i knew i knew you had it in you he got her pregnant
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just kidding that that's a he's never mind exile that scroll down click the tim pool one
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like the picture of the cat all right he got tim pool pregnant just kidding x out that uh he's
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playing what is that game you're playing what is the pickleball pickleball he has a cat single
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pickle look at that he's athletic no he's athletic all right so going around the table that's so real
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you should ask him play the video the or play the the video where he's walking what's he saying
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click it he put it on video tab and yes what he's saying all right he didn't know he he's he thought
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he was just lurking in the chat he didn't play the
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offices for a little meet i decided to go hang out at the promenade where i used to work it's actually
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really sad to see how bad this place has gotten because half the stores are not even open anymore
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and like there's a guy busking behind me and it's like on a night like this at least when i was here
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they used to make like hundreds of dollars a day and basically he's busking yeah you can just uh
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it's just sad okay you heard his voice forget about it what's his what is his accent
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i don't know are you boston yeah something like that i see i hear it he lives in la yeah decoy in
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the chat is he still he might not even are you watching dude are you in chat is he is he in the
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chat i haven't seen if he's been typing he probably like is he is he in the chat decoy
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are you in the chat uh i'll keep an eye on it if you're watching what's your accent dude going
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around the table would you date decoy did he ask for this no i'm just is this your homeboy he's my
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homie okay he's my homie and by the way i just want to say before you make your decision huge penis
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giant penis and very charming and rich and he's korean he says he's korean he says all right
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he might want the bow he's gonna hate me after most likely uh going around the table would you
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go on a date with and by the way some of y'all are in la he's in la you know i can hook it up uh
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would you date decoy date or go on what's his name what's your name dude here we're gonna call
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him jack i don't know what's his real i don't know what go on a date or yeah go on a date with
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him i would give him a chance oh decoy voice there you go uh what about you you're no not not my type
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okay what about no no you don't like asian guys no i do actually i'm actually really into asian guys
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he's korean i know um what's the problem i'm very very very into the guy that i'm in that situation
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with oh like you said you were single though i am single but i'm making i'm gonna fight for this one
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the guy wait just to be clear the guy who yes very rudely yes i had a huge problem with it if you
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recall i know didn't show up to your really really important dance recital and then he hasn't talked to
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for a week well i can't check my phone now but i know he was blowing up my phone before i got in
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here okay i just haven't been able i'm just saying for decoy i don't know if decoy was is was in the
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whatever but he would have showed up to that dance thing you know that he would have showed up for
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sure would you date him i'm a personality girl so i would have to have a conversation with him maybe
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stalk social media a little bit maybe yeah but how do you make an initial decision have you been on a
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dating app honestly like no oh okay well i mean like how do you make an initial assessment like
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oh i'm gonna date a guy well i typically meet them in some sort of social setting and we just have a
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conversation and we either click or we don't are you sick am i sick i had surgery two days ago oh that's
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right it's fucking that's right yeah i sound very nasally and my nose is also very swollen you saw would
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you be you would maybe he takes you to uh maybe if he was super funny he's hilarious yeah he has a
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huge penis then we could maybe talk is it from what i recall it was an issue the penis thing was an
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issue for you the small penis he has a huge one this is good information valuable information giant
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okay ali would you date him um yes but i think for like a pretty stupid reason i think he reminds me
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of like the really buff dad in the train to busan movie and that just like brings like a connection
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of courageousness to me so i think that's why i'm saying yes mostly okay what about you would you
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date him um no not my type what about you if you were well you guys are in maybe you guys don't have
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to answer i guess because you're i would sure sure obviously in a very different universe
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all right all right decoy voice there you have it wingman boom easy any people with a check mark
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in the chat ever want to get wingman i'll do it for you all right so well you know if you're cool um
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we have more chats coming through baja finally with the details yay oh i'm excited thank you baja
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baja donated 100 so like i said out of your age range in white five feet 10 inches 175 pounds i live
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in the midwest born in texas i like to make people laugh i have not been vaxxed strong immune system
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how do you feel sounds like a really great contender of course obviously not thinking about
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the age thing but you're you sound like a catch to me what's your cutoff i'm like
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30 but like 30 is a stretch already yeah thank you baja appreciate it based thor donated 100
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dollars i legit got here cancer from these 304s question for the panel you're dating a guy you
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really like him everything is going well you invite him over for dinner what dish are you making to
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impress him can i ask what 304 is what area code oh okay something like that slow cooked pot roast
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garlic mashed potatoes around the table pasta pasta lasagna lasagna oh my god well i am peruvian and
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portuguese and one of my favorite dishes is pollo abraza it's just a rotisserie chicken basically i love
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it so i'd probably make that sweet ellie so i have like a really strong visceral connection to soup
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like it's kind of that's another thing maybe a red flag if you don't like soup but stews and soups are
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like everything to me so i'd probably have to share a little bit of my love for that with them
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with a i don't know a hearty minestrone or something like that all right that's unique okay what about
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you um i would either make sancocho or potato balls what about you i would make a seafood dish with
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a seafood dish uh with um vegetable and a starch like potatoes what about you yeah definitely a
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steak somewhere up in there potatoes and probably like a salad or like i don't know i'm hungry just
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thinking about it now i'm literally hungry right now i'm gonna go get food i did rob
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oh yeah he's called serpent donated one hundred dollars with 80s slash 90s type of love i meant
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genuine connection and not the transactional bs that we see a lot of today chair four summarized
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it pretty well tbh thanks for engaging y'all peace i fw bryans thank you thank you appreciate it
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thank you for the clarification there yeah i want that like
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1800s love um arranged marriage love you know different things are different but
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i just have to think about it that's crazy the outfits are fine just kidding just kidding
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just kidding is fire uh let's see here we got to do uh going around the table
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do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time better looking so you're 25 better looking at 35
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perhaps maybe per chance perhaps perhaps what about it in 20 years at 45
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i think so i see how my sister looks how old's your sister 50
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sister yeah full sister yep my mom had me at 46
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so your sister was born at does she have kids no because she could have kids
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that are your age yes my brother has kids that are my age how's your brother
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70 no he's is he younger than your sister yeah he's 44
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how old are his kids one is 26 now and the other is damn about to be 21
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hold on whoa the math is not fucking math wait so you wait wait wait wait i got it i got this shit
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hold on let him cook hold on let me fucking cook
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that doesn't wait her mom would have had her around 16 right 16 17 18 19
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wait hold on am i just retarded i think i'm retarded wait
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i know i know so she's i think i'm either 70 now
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whatever it happens as the show gets into its later hours
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better looking uh better looking in 30 years at 55
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uh 50 i feel like 10 years in 30 that's a big difference
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for her though we'll get we'll get to you we'll get to you
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it i don't necessarily think better looking but i don't think i'm gonna be ugly
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okay uh is there any point where like do you have a peak when do you think you'll peak
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okay uh were you better looking at 23 or better looking now
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yeah isn't your mom like an actress or something
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like sometimes people like ask of worst sisters
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so i think i will be more attractive in 10 years
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and i think i will be more attractive at 30 than 40
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we have put all of you through an ai age advancement
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we're gonna see if you guys are gonna be better looking
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are you gonna let your friend laugh at you like that
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are you a bit upset that your bestie your best girlfriend just laughed at how you're gonna look when you're an old grandma
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i think that's a great representation of what she would have looked like if she was in that movie
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you kind of look like the evil woman from rapunzel
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she looks like you turned into a caucasian lady
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look so slightly different from the third picture to the second picture
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to be honest like more masculine presenting woman
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i like pretty girls and boys with clothes basically
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these critical industries you remove men for 72
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have the requisite strength to have enabled the
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industrial revolution revolution well i totally
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like that there's well i'm not going to go into
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jobs these are still predominated almost entirely by men
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jobs they haven't given they haven't been given
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the female brain isn't wired like that the male
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brain is so different well i wouldn't even make it
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strength um but here pull up uh nick pull up the
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discord we'll really quickly uh go into uh men at
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work and while you're doing that i'm just going to let
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base thor donated 69 69 tts get them in trying to
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understand women at this point thank you man they put
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hair on their hair put eyelashes on their eyelashes put
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nails on their nails women are so fake these days
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brian remove the makeup 304s yo thank you base thor
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appreciate it man thank you for the message maybe if
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toast donated 69 dollars i don't understand the money
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requirements i live in midwest i just bought a house
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five bed two bath i make 45k a year and still have money to
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save for a family you'll need to make better decisions
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okay toast how much does your partner make in a year
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i don't think he might have not had one i don't know
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dollars zuma women better pray to the god they don't
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even believe in that artificial wombs don't become
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oh shit thing i can't see a single reason to be with one i've sent them
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i don't know if i agree with that but thank you chau for the message
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we got pen maker here coming in thank you man thank you pen maker
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pen maker donated 69 dollars chair two is based but only in hindsight
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stay the course the rest of the panel is more cooked than brian's burritos
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it's true a burrito sounds uh you can eat a fat burrito
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just windows fine uh just play that first one just mute the audio
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uh just full screen with it really quick i ain't doing that
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no way yeah women ain't doing this start from the beginning again really
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there's no way even just watching i agree though i agree that men are
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right but i feel like people women live in those buildings but they'll never make
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them um so let's do click on the manhole worker
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i i've never seen women do this one what go ahead just play it oh is this the
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uh such a dangerous career field wait is it gonna actually show
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women ain't doing that x out that it has to be done somebody's gotta do it
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x out that uh you know firefighters scroll up scroll up
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bricklaying talk better scroll up uh here we'll just do these last two
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oh the one with the cockroaches oh shit play that one full screen
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oh no hell no real what good balance they have yeah i was just thinking that
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so the buildings you occupy somebody has to build the buildings
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yeah all those you know the the air-conditioned office jobs that you guys
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yeah how about that y'all don't want to do these jobs somebody gotta do them
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yeah you're you are right yeah i don't need no man
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y'all you see a spider 20 feet away you guys lose your minds 100 yes sir
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i think most of us agree with you i don't know who disagrees
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we're gonna move on though really quick i'm gonna blast through a couple of these
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uh how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date
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okay ellie 5'7 mike mike mike mike mike 5'7 5'5
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this is every every scenario you bring up you bring up on those questions i'm thinking
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they're perfect and then they're also you know two inches tall
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and then i'm thinking okay well that would make us up for it all
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all right what about you um i'm five five and i would say
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five four is like my minimum uh five eight and minimum six foot what about you
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uh i'm five two and i mean i'm short so but my husband's like six two six one
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would you rather cross paths with random man or random bear on a hike a bear
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man a man man man a bear man man yeah uh why do you pick bear why do you pick bear
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why don't you pick man i know how to escape a bear you yes i went to church camp we learned about how to escape
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a bear tell us the steps for escaping a bear grizzly bear or what you have to like
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tell us show us get big and huge yeah show us yeah but you have to act differently for different
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bears and then you have to for which bear though you're gonna die if you get the wrong
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bear backwards because they can't see diagonal direction okay so you feel more confident um with the
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the the the bear basically yeah because you don't know what a man's gonna do a man could kill me i
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can't just run away from a man okay uh all right and why do you pick bear i just watch a lot of true
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crime i know a lot of statistics about stuff like that i'm seeing a man in the woods i'm already
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thinking i'm getting got just automatically most most men don't don't commit this crime that's what
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most men so you know if you're if you were betting in the woods yeah most if i see a man or bear i i
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just i would rather see a bear i would rather see a bear personally because if i'm seeing a man out
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there my first thought is i'm gonna get gut stop the cap i'm not no i'm so serious you know that you
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walk by 32 serial killers in your life like that shit's scary if you run into a bear how do you know i
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would rather i would if i'm in if we're talking about the scenario in the woods i would rather run
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into a bear that's just my reasoning you guys does it come down to this like the man could essay
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you is that kind of the thing it's just like if i'm in the woods and i see an unknown man like
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obviously like that that's just weird like for for me i'd be my guard would be up not that it wouldn't
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be up with a bear but i'm saying there's something i'd rather see i'd rather see a bear how many times
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have you crossed paths with an unknown male and something happened a lot i'm sure you've gone
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hiking walking and you've crossed paths many times have you been raped or what none of your business
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well there's a reason why you're avoiding them well i don't think that's avoiding them i feel like
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there's nothing wrong with wanting to not run into a man in the woods but if you can't avoid the bear
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but i feel i feel like i feel like there's nothing wrong with me like i'm not judging your fact that
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you chose a man just saying like i chose the bear because i don't i would rather run into a bear than
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see a strange man in the woods imo okay um just a couple things on this so i my analysis is i think
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women greatly underestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random bear and greatly overestimate
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the risk profile of an encounter with a random man uh if you guys had to say though like
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what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to either harm you or say you it's
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probably a low percentage statistically but we obviously are products of our own environment
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and experiences and maybe the women who shared that they would rather run into a bear have had
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bad experiences with men in the past that make them inclined to have that answer sure i want to just
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we're not going to linger too long on the bear thing but i do want to propose the following so
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from your perspective do you think it's okay for women to have i guess this view or hesitancy
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towards men because of either statistics that might be out there whether true or false
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or their own experiences with men of course i think it's a protective measure right i i don't
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think there's anything wrong with it i think in an ideal world that wouldn't exist but that's just
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a reality okay and do you think that the the average bear is more or less or the same i guess
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more or less dangerous than the average man i would probably say more dangerous men more dangerous or
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the bear i was i was i would rather see a man on a hike i see so here's i guess my issue with it is
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the rhetoric surrounding the whole picking the bear thing uh-huh it does seem a little
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bigoted a little sexist okay and here's why if we were to change the hypothetical and we were to
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change it too would you rather come across a black person or a bear okay i think it would be racist
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to not to to pick the bear over a black person so then i think it would logically follow that it
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must be sexist to pick bear over man why would you think that it's racist to pick a bear over a
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black person why would i think it's racist yeah why would you think that's racist unless your reason
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is race why would that be racist like like that's like my thought process you don't think it would be
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racist like a white person's like i want to i would definitely pick a bear not initially not
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initially unless they said their reason was race like that wouldn't be my initial thought you're
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saying like the reason might be gender as opposed yeah the re the reason might just might just be i
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don't want to run into a random person like like you specifying they're black might not necessarily
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mean that they don't want to run into them like i don't think unless they say oh i'm i don't i want
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to run into a bear because i don't want to run into a black person because i don't like black people
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that's completely different than like then like i'd rather run into a bear than a black i'll use
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the same standard that you use the standard would be because of negative experiences that i've had
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or because of statistics that are either true or false that's the reason for the pick that's the
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same standard that's the same standard that you use for men yes i would use statistics i never said
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because of my own experiences sure you do realize other racial groups could point to certain
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statistics and say there's a discrepancy in criminality between the races yes and honestly
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for me i feel like that's your prerogative because it's a hypothetical question and if that's your
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answer then that's your answer i can't really change it well well i'm not i'm not saying it's
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specifically your answer but i'm saying that like for me it's like that's your prerogative i may not agree
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with it or i may not like it but there's really nothing i can do about it because it's your
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opinion okay and the least i can do is respect it well sure i guess you can accept that it's my opinion
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but would you make a determination that my opinion happens to be racist
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not not unless you gave me other reasons to think that you're racist
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well if it's the case that in let's say not necessarily me but a person in the scenario
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uh they're white and they specifically don't choose the black person they choose the bear
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because they say that well i've had one two or three negative experiences with a black person
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because of that or you know they cite crime statistics i don't want to encounter a black
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person because of that i would say that that's racist you really agree with i i i think it's racist
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i don't think i mean that is kind of the definition of racism is judging an individual or a group of
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individual on the entire or the actions of like a percentage oftentimes a small percentage of said
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group yeah so for example the majority of black people are not criminals right there happens to be
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some statistics that indicate that when it comes to uh racial crime statistics right that black people
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are overrepresented as it relates to certain crimes yeah i wouldn't then say all black people are
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criminals or i'm scared of black people because of x yeah i think that would be racist yeah that makes
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sense i understand that i think you have something on this yeah so i think i've run into bear on
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multiple occasions i grew up in pennsylvania in the woods like we had bear all the time we had bears at
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my house we had bears at camp like i'm not scared of a bear there are tons of different people
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a bear is just a bear it's an animal like it will attack you if you threaten it yeah um but a
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person you don't know if they have a weapon on them you don't know what type of person they are you
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don't know if they're a crackhead in the woods you don't you don't know who they are or what type of
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person they are they could be very unwell they could be a criminal they could be a serial killer
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you don't know what you're encountering in that situation but with a bear you know what you're
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encountering you're in the woods you're in wildlife it's more normal to encounter a bear you would
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expect a bear you would expect deer you would expect rabbits you would expect fox a wolf you're
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on a hike the question is you're on a hike men and women go on hikes all the time so it's not weird
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to run into a man when you're on a hike it said in the woods no would you rather cross paths with a
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random man or random bear on a hike okay what you said was woods though that's what you've been
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saying that's what we've been well the from the questionnaire what's written on the questionnaire
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is doesn't say woods it could be in the woods on a hike i still think a bear but are you is this in
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response to the introducing the racial component to the conversation yeah because you don't know who
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that person is would you rather encounter a bear or a black person a bear in general it doesn't matter
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who the person is i mean i think that's kind of a racist position to hold but i would way rather
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run into whether it's a man whether it's a woman a black person than the bear is that what you just
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said you rather oh you'd rather no no she picks the bear even if it's just black person even if it could
07:28:14.660
be a black it might be a black woman too yeah she still picks the bear yeah i expect a bear in the
07:28:19.540
woods i'd that's and i've encountered baron never had an issue encountering a bear and how many bears
07:28:25.300
have you encountered i've encountered five in one day okay you walk past hundreds of men in a day
07:28:37.700
in our area we have so many things happen with men every day in my neighborhood like it's not safe
07:28:45.060
wait you spend twenty thousand dollars a year but you live in a dangerous neighborhood la is dangerous
07:28:49.940
there's parts of la which are relatively safe i worked at century city mall and somebody killed
07:28:56.500
themselves like it's not safe hold on suicide is that's what's safe for them
07:29:03.300
didn't impose harm on somebody else i just don't know why if you're making like you say you want a
07:29:07.380
guy who makes four hundred thousand dollars a year why would you like slum it when you're making that
07:29:11.940
much money like why would you live you say you live a luxury lifestyle why are you living in
07:29:15.940
you said you live in a dangerous part of l.a i guess is all of l.a dangerous all of l.a is dangerous
07:29:22.420
really like alisades is dangerous yeah yeah by the way i don't know l.a neighborhoods what we're
07:29:30.260
talking like actual downtown l.a like i live in a luxury apartment it's about three thousand dollars a
07:29:35.540
month but just being in the heart of l.a there's like fentanyl homeless people like two blocks down
07:29:41.780
that's kind of just the reality of that city okay but if you're walking down i get that i will not
07:29:47.380
walk down the street i will not even cross the street in my neighborhood because it's so dangerous
07:29:55.140
are you comfortable sharing where you what neighborhood you're in you don't have to
07:29:57.860
we're in mid-city on the border of culvert it's supposed to be a very nice area is it i don't know
07:30:02.980
it's better than downtown it's better than obviously not that nice of an area but that's how it is in l.a
07:30:09.940
like there's shootings all the time like if you are on the citizen app you don't know where these
07:30:15.940
things are happening unless you shootings like i don't know yes like a blonde doesn't seem like
07:30:21.540
fbi in front of our place the swat team yeah i don't think you're a high priority target for a
07:30:27.860
shoot i mean it could happen but i don't know if you're like high priority there's a lot of gang crime
07:30:32.180
in l.a like there's a lot of are you in a gang is that what it is there's a lot of drive-by shootings
07:30:36.580
in our area like wait what's the typical like what do they say like where are you from is that what
07:30:42.420
they say is that where are you from not where are you from where are you from i don't know whatever
07:30:49.060
who you roll with g okay white boy don't hurt him don't hurt him white chocolate
07:30:57.060
gangster okay all right i don't know um i'm just saying i don't know how about this um would you
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rather leave your baby with a woman or a bear that's such a yeah yeah this is a tough one i'm
07:31:15.700
gonna need to take a few yeah a woman well because there there are statistics that show that women are
07:31:25.220
way more likely to commit infanticide so killing of a infant than a bear than a man that's your own
07:31:33.780
actually but the the the statistics show that women are overrepresented in this crime of infanticide
07:31:41.860
should we leave our babies with oh so you're saying women kill more of their own children than men
07:31:48.020
is that the statistic okay they're more likely to kill their infants intentionally or unintentionally
07:31:54.340
intentionally there's a lot that goes into that are women yeah i would well yeah postpartum
07:32:00.660
depression yeah wait hold on are we are we about to like no are we about to hand wave away oh no
07:32:05.620
absolutely not you guys trying to justify bro there's psychological explanations for people's
07:32:11.780
behavior that doesn't mean it's a justification and what they did was right there's just always an
07:32:16.260
explanation you're also saying a random woman or or the mother of that i feel like realistically
07:32:23.460
i know random one like i wouldn't you guys were hand waving away
07:32:30.580
what was the reason for it from a psychological perspective hold on but if like a guy wait wait
07:32:37.380
so i wouldn't do this i wouldn't do this thing where like if a guy essayed a woman but he had mental
07:32:42.020
health issues i wouldn't just be like well he no i'd be like yeah he's a piece of i don't
07:32:46.260
care what mental health issues yeah that's not what we were trying to do obviously i completely
07:32:54.260
agree with you it's there's just an explanation not an excuse there's just explanations for things
07:32:59.140
for sure for sure for sure love it moving on uh let's see anybody any disagreements nope nope nope nope
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okay we're gonna blast through some of the questions on the questionnaire oh nick thank you for the
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reminder just came to mind nick def uh okay hold on i'll come back to it uh okay let's see
07:33:21.140
does anybody uh oh you're what are your pronouns she they she anybody else a they
07:33:29.780
a zur any zers at the table i had a teacher who was a zur
07:33:33.700
what the fuck are you doing to your ears ellie calm down oh okay she was taught she's been
07:33:45.380
oh uh just you have the pronouns so are you are you like non-binary i'm gender fluid you're gender
07:33:51.940
fluid yes so some days you're a he or just they um some uh only like my really really close friends
07:34:02.980
do like he and stuff they but like um outside of that mostly she they sometimes you're he yeah only
07:34:11.460
with like really close people what what pronouns do you use for her i have just only used she her and
07:34:19.620
i think if it was a big enough deal you would have told me to call you by other pronouns i've only called
07:34:25.300
her she her though cool so some days you're a man and some days you're a woman and some days you're
07:34:38.100
non-binary and you're a they ellie how do you feel about this i feel about the pronouns what are your
07:34:45.700
thoughts they in specific yes how do you feel about they they you seem like a pretty cool they um i don't
07:34:54.900
know too sorry i think them how do you feel about them um i mean it doesn't obstruct anything in my
07:35:05.460
daily life so i don't really care that much how do you really feel about it because ellie's not
07:35:12.900
she's a 4chan um frequenter and she has some very spicy takes on this and i feel like she's not
07:35:21.380
fully what's spicy takes you seem like you know more than i do are you are you are you homophobic
07:35:30.020
are you homophobic no are you homophobic no you keep saying she has hot takes i'm like what is she
07:35:35.540
about to drop no she's like everything is lukewarm here uh so you guys uh didn't have a chance to
07:35:42.660
answer the questionnaire so but i'll direct uh do you think a man dating a transgender woman is straight
07:35:51.780
i think if they the the woman the trans woman went through gender reassignment surgery um and has
07:36:00.100
fully transitioned in terms that they're fully on estrogen and hormones because honestly you you
07:36:05.940
cannot tell for a good handful of trans women then i would say yes i can i can tell sure okay um
07:36:13.940
i'm trying are you wait you are no you're pregnant exactly like you're pregnant how the
07:36:26.580
go ahead go ahead that's just my i believe that if the woman fully transitioned um then they're
07:36:32.180
straight but i don't know i again i am very open-minded when it comes to sexuality gender life in general um
07:36:38.420
so i don't know i i it does nobody's hurting me i respect everybody so what if they haven't had the
07:36:44.820
gender reassignment search so just the bottom surgery are they would that be straight if they
07:36:49.620
have had bottom they have not have not well they're a woman right i think that gender and sex are two
07:36:57.220
different things i think sex is related to your genitalia and your hormones such as estrogen or
07:37:02.580
testosterone but gender can be more of a fluid spectrum obviously people feel different ways
07:37:07.620
about that but that's my opinion in my social analysis of it your sex no sex you have xx chromosomes
07:37:13.700
or you have xy chromosomes you can be a biological male or you can be a biological female and i think
07:37:20.020
there's a third there's like you intersex yeah yeah i mean it's super rare and most transgender people
07:37:27.140
are not interested yeah yeah so i think if gender reassignment surgery hasn't gone through
07:37:33.540
personally i think that if you as a man are attracted to somebody who has the same genitalia as you
07:37:40.820
that is just not what the definition of being straight is you know i think that you have to
07:37:45.060
have a sexual attraction to you know female genitalia but that's just me and again i don't know i'm
07:37:52.340
always open to any perspective when it comes to that that's just how i feel right now well so so straight
07:37:58.820
is short form slang for heterosexual right and so sexuality relates to your attraction to someone's
07:38:07.220
sex exactly uh even granting the differences in gender identity so somebody's a male but that gender
07:38:14.740
identity is that of a woman right uh it's baked into the term itself heterosexuality so heterosexuality
07:38:23.700
two males even regardless of the gender identity so if one of them if two males one of them is
07:38:29.220
cis i kind of annoying term but uh and the other is a transgender woman that is that can never be
07:38:37.540
if two males are having sex it can never be straight even if um they've gone through gender reassignment
07:38:45.620
surgery they have they had a sex reassignment surgery that's not well i wouldn't grant that you can change
07:38:52.100
your sex okay well i i think honestly i'm not the most educated on it okay so it's impossible even when
07:39:00.580
you fully transition like if i had surgery and went through testosterone and stuff it's not possible
07:39:08.260
because people do change their sex on their government ids what do you think about that because
07:39:13.060
you're saying it's just a gender reassignment surgery is that not technically well if i was
07:39:16.820
somehow managed to like convince the government that i was 10 years younger than i actually am
07:39:23.700
and they were like okay well like i bamboozled them and then they put it on my id that i was actually 25
07:39:31.460
instead of 35 or whatever uh-huh would my age actually be 25 or would it be 35 yeah but that's not
07:39:37.380
real what is real is the fact that you can change your sex on your id not the fact that right but
07:39:43.940
just because something is reflected on a laminated government issued card doesn't mean it's true
07:39:50.980
so even if you had like the surgery the tea the like estrogen everything you changed everything
07:39:59.220
you changed the sex for you would be like if a male still male
07:40:04.580
it wouldn't be it wouldn't be straight yeah it wouldn't be straight to you no it wouldn't okay
07:40:10.580
i guess i can kind of see where i can see it from yeah can you no i can see it wouldn't be straight
07:40:17.220
i understand where you're even even if she's got perfect fake titties and she kind of looks like
07:40:24.580
a woman even though i have some disputes over this whatever i don't know there's some women in thailand
07:40:28.900
who i guess do a pretty good job whatever uh and the they got the the vagina right it's not that's
07:40:35.140
not pussy it's not it ain't pussy it's a gaping hole it's a they incise a hole into you and invert
07:40:42.100
the penis in right the the penis tissue is in that's not pussy i just ate i understand what you're saying
07:40:50.340
it ain't pussy uh you know as somebody who's familiar with uh labias not a pussy not labia
07:40:57.620
not labia not pussy it's inverted penis it's interesting they have the the actual procedure
07:41:04.100
they do it like there's a video for it there's several at this point but like they do it with
07:41:08.180
play-doh and they show you how it's done i'm seeing it it's crazy it's wild yeah it's crazy i hear where
07:41:14.980
you're coming from can i ask you just you know if you're comfortable talking about it which i assume you
07:41:19.220
are just what your opinion on transgender and lgbt people are well the lgbt and transgender is different
07:41:28.100
lgbt well what do you think the t stands for right there's lesbian there's gay there's bisexual that's
07:41:35.220
kind of really different so you have different opinions on sexuality versus gender gender identity
07:41:42.740
uh so okay i'll i mean i guess i'll say this so trans people exist it's a phenomenon i'm not denying
07:41:49.140
it uh gay people bisexual people exist this is obviously something uh speaking specifically on
07:41:55.300
the trans thing though uh what's my general thought on it is that i guess like do you respect trans
07:42:02.340
people is my baseline question or do you think it's just an abomination an abomination that's an
07:42:08.900
interesting word uh do i yes i i would say i respect trans people i would say that
07:42:16.340
these people i i don't think that they should receive because they're trans i don't think they
07:42:23.860
should be hurt in any sort of way i don't think they should be bullied i don't think that they
07:42:28.740
should i i wish for them to have happy lives i have no ill will or hatred in my heart for people who
07:42:34.820
who are trans however i don't subscribe to this idea well a couple different ideas uh i don't
07:42:45.220
believe that you should give children puberty blockers i don't think trans women should be
07:42:50.100
competing i agree with both of those in women's sports uh there is i don't really have uh what's the term
07:43:01.380
i don't have a dog in the fight really but probably shouldn't go into women's bathrooms
07:43:09.860
okay yeah um i see where you're coming or women's changing rooms and if you're like
07:43:18.020
i'll use their new name like if there used to be bob and now they're jessica i'll use jessica i won't use
07:43:25.780
the pronouns but i will use their new name okay and uh but besides that i think that
07:43:38.660
i don't i don't buy into it yeah i don't buy into it i wish them well i i don't have any hatred for
07:43:44.100
them uh i think that there's like certain at least with like children stay away from the kids like they
07:43:53.620
can if look if you want to transition when you're 18 people you can't be stopped whatever uh although
07:43:59.940
i may probably have some opinions on that like is it like you're going to be a physician assistant
07:44:06.580
like is this in contravention of like do no harm like chopping off men's penises like mutilating
07:44:14.580
people under the guise of health care but like what if they have a mental illness i've definitely seen
07:44:20.020
it firsthand and i've definitely come across it so i mean ultimately like my perspective is i think
07:44:25.540
there's a mental illness component to this like in the same way that we wouldn't like affirm somebody
07:44:30.900
who's schizophrenic right like whatever their delusions are i do think that uh there's a mental
07:44:38.260
illness component to this okay can i add something yeah sure um i think for me it's hard to understand
07:44:45.780
why it wouldn't be considered a mental illness one because if you do consider it you get covered by
07:44:50.260
insurance a lot of the times and the procedures get covered um and this is like purely insurance
07:44:56.420
purposes like if you use gender dysphoria or whatever you can get certain things covered in
07:45:01.300
certain like benefits from that but to me like it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't
07:45:09.780
be and i don't think that's a bad thing though like i don't think that's i feel like you guys have
07:45:15.060
opposite arguments i said i feel like you guys have opposite arguments in the sense that you're saying
07:45:20.340
you feel it should be classified as a mental illness so insurance can comfort the transition
07:45:25.540
right am i getting that right yeah i feel he doesn't think yeah think well you don't buy into it right
07:45:35.460
so you probably don't think that people should be transitioning in the first place that doesn't
07:45:38.740
mean you wish them any ill will or whatever i acknowledge that they have the choice to do it
07:45:44.660
and america grants us certain freedoms to do things that i might not necessarily agree with but uh
07:45:52.740
like i mean should the government be like paying for it or there's there is like a consideration when
07:45:59.620
it comes to the healthcare field like is there a component of it's making them a lot of money yes and
07:46:06.420
you become a lifetime like patient patient too right so there was a there's a debate true there's a
07:46:14.260
debate on um modern debate the modern debate channel um i want to say it was like maybe two months ago
07:46:21.060
um and there was something that was brought up about like how it can be identified in early childhood as
07:46:28.020
late in homosexuality um but something about the way in which it is handled like if there are some
07:46:37.140
i wish i could remember totally recommend going back and listening to this though um but he was
07:46:43.460
basically saying that if it's identified in early childhood typically with boys it shows up as just
07:46:49.860
homosexuality and once you know for a period of time that they come off of the puberty blockers things kind
07:46:55.860
of sort of like end up you know running their natural course and they they are just simply gay
07:47:01.860
men and they don't want to become women but there was also a um a conditioning point too and i
07:47:11.940
i'm forgetting what what he said but can i ask you a question though let's you want kids one day i do
07:47:16.420
okay let's say your 10 year old son comes to you says hey mom i think i'm a girl
07:47:22.340
how do you proceed i think that um i'd probably go to therapy not on some conversion but just to
07:47:31.940
educate myself on what exactly that means for me as a parent i probably would be respectful in the
07:47:38.660
sense that i would support my child in let's say my son wanted to become a girl um and become my
07:47:45.060
daughter i would call her by she her whatever name she wanted to go by maybe i would immediately
07:47:50.740
um obviously i'm i'm you're used to calling your son by he him calling your son by the boy name so
07:47:57.380
there would be a period of transition but i would try to remain respectful like right away i understand
07:48:01.380
yes yes i would i would you might make mistakes i would need to have a conversation with my partner
07:48:05.780
but eliminating my partner and their opinion and their thoughts and everything and this is let's assume
07:48:09.620
your partner completely agrees with is going to completely agree with you on everything
07:48:13.380
and i realize that yes there would be some mistakes that occur because you're making whatever you
07:48:18.180
accidentally misgender them a couple times right but would you immediately just start they they
07:48:23.460
come to you and say i think i'm a girl i want you to start using my new name and my pronouns she
07:48:28.820
her to be honest i think i would need to talk to a life coach and a psychologist a children's
07:48:33.460
psychologist before telling you for sure that i would do that just to make sure that there's not
07:48:37.380
going to be any long-term ramifications in case that they do go back on their gender and they
07:48:42.500
you know what i mean de-transition but i would try to be supportive in the best way that i can by
07:48:47.380
calling them by their new pronouns new name allowing them to express themselves in fashion and makeup and
07:48:52.340
whatever it may be but i would like immediately though i i i'm gonna say yes but i would if this
07:48:58.580
was a real scenario i would educate myself um but i would not allow my child to do any gender reassignment
07:49:06.660
or any hormonal things before 18 and honestly i pose the question too if that should even happen
07:49:12.420
before the age of 25 just because your brain is not fully developed well hold on but what if the
07:49:17.700
the medical community said actually this gender affirming care is what is medically indicated and
07:49:26.980
they say that well if you want your trans transgender child to have the best transition possible you
07:49:36.260
should transition them and put them on puberty blockers to stop male puberty so that they can
07:49:42.100
you know their voice doesn't get deeper certain you know body hair they don't go through male puberty
07:49:47.620
that that is the they're saying this that that is the best case thing and that's what the medical
07:49:55.540
yeah i mean if you're telling me that medical professionals are recommending that then yes of
07:50:00.820
course i i would do that i have no problem with it socially so if that is the best thing to
07:50:06.100
do medically to make my child happy and healthy then of course i would do now do you believe that
07:50:11.140
certain doctors can be a lot ideologically captured you do you mean biased or what do you mean by that
07:50:18.980
like they're ideal ideologically captured so repeating the word doesn't help me understand
07:50:23.220
it any better okay uh you realize that for example uh you said you'd go to a therapist
07:50:28.820
yes therapists are overwhelmingly left-leaning uh-huh so they're typically going to have like ideology that is
07:50:35.700
uh in line with like mainstream leftist or left-leaning propaganda which would relate to lgbtq stuff
07:50:44.420
specifically transgender stuff and the transgen the the official position of the transgender community
07:50:51.140
is that it's absolutely acceptable and fine and encouraged uh-huh to medically transition children
07:51:00.420
and to give them puberty blockers can i i think that um i'll just finish let's get the answer and then
07:51:07.060
you can do it um i did mention that i would also go to a psychologist and a life coach which aren't
07:51:12.500
necessarily left-leaning you think all life coaches are left-leaning i don't know why you'd go life to
07:51:17.140
coach but like a psychologist or psychiatrist they're all of them are a lot of them are women
07:51:23.060
and a lot of them tend to lean left okay um i would try my very best to get a um diverse sample
07:51:32.020
of opinions okay what exactly was your question well you wanted to come in on this six i had no
07:51:39.140
clue it was going to go on this long okay i'm sorry but i had a blast uh let me just before you
07:51:44.100
leave let me see if you have any notes here we need to get to go for it real quick uh sorry uh it's
07:51:52.660
paulina right yes uh really quick there's only one note here for you you said your ex-boyfriend took
07:51:58.580
you to a bar on a first date you don't drink um oh my experience okay yeah oh he waited outside
07:52:07.060
your house till seven okay i don't know if there's anything there not really anything there he just
07:52:10.980
he had a skewed you'll take her seat yeah by the way guys for the rest of the panel we're going to get
07:52:15.140
this wrapped up here pretty soon okay thank you i appreciate it too because i'm my guys nice meeting
07:52:20.180
you all right uh oh why is oh audio audio unmute the audio please props to ozark and crew i'll
07:52:28.420
priest if needed when let me know all right thank you oh this driftwood appreciate we have some chats
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the show w felicity joining the panel pen maker donated 69 dollars their minds are so open that
07:52:50.340
their thoughts are falling out we are talking for sure thank you man appreciate it thank you pen maker
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we have christopher coming in here in just a moment guys if you want uh get a we're not doing a roast so
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slash whatever it's about to come in here in just a sec sorry guys there's christopher donated 70
07:53:18.500
should trans women be counted in abortion statistics should trans men have to register for the selective
07:53:24.900
service um my question is why would trans women be counted in abortion yeah how they don't have a
07:53:31.380
biologically that's not even possible yeah um or maybe or maybe that's your point or maybe that's
07:53:37.860
your point maybe that's your point for the latter part of that question i guess in terms of getting
07:53:42.820
drafted yeah if you want to be a trans man i do believe you should have to get drafted if there's a
07:53:48.660
mr should i that what you wanted thank you for coming in today why are you gay you are gay you are a
07:53:56.500
transgender and a gay rights activist you're la gay i love how transgender is like a slur like you
07:54:04.260
are all right all right uh we can't linger too long on the on that topic though um a couple more things
07:54:11.380
here and we'll hope we'll get this wrapped up as soon as possible um wait this okay for you um
07:54:21.140
um did you say that you make like the people who you're interested in like long-term potential
07:54:27.620
boyfriends you make them wait before hooking up i did not say that okay never mind then i don't know
07:54:34.740
somebody said hey brian you should ask her about this because it's interesting i mean i you know i
07:54:39.540
hooked up with a random person in italy and greece and yeah no i don't feel that way yeah i mean the
07:54:44.580
reason it comes up is like sometimes there's a frustration when it comes to like women will have
07:54:49.220
two different standards like on one hand they'll hook up with certain guys really quickly oftentimes
07:54:54.420
if they're traveling they'll just have fun and then they come back home and they're uh oh i'm gonna wait
07:55:01.060
well i want to wait three months to have sex because i'm that kind of girl but really they're not
07:55:05.540
i will just say that i know in having guy friends that guys tend to look at women differently after they
07:55:12.740
put out and do you do you disagree with that i think some guys can yeah yeah personally i don't
07:55:19.780
really have any qualms about i don't feel like i need to wait yeah exactly that and i feel like my
07:55:24.980
ideal partner wouldn't feel any type of way about it either which is why i don't but i i know that
07:55:30.180
some men think oh women should be pure and divine and no bodies and i take their cherry and blah blah
07:55:36.100
blah like this purity thing and i understand that there could be religious components to that and i you
07:55:40.420
know i validate and i respect everybody but that's just not how i live my life okay
07:55:47.140
oh he's back they're waiting for you girl hey ellie sorry to bother you once more but good luck in your
07:55:57.140
last year of school i know you will do great if by the end of school you haven't found somebody
07:56:04.580
find me on the socials and wait for you that is so kind and thank you for the for the prosperous
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wishes on my last year of school nice have you thought about college at all thank you i appreciate
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it you know where you want to go i'm gonna apply to all the ucs okay you know you you give me city
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college you think yeah well i mean i like that's fired anyways whatever yeah whatever whatever oh
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my god who the hell all right 15 uh women do not have equal rights to men in the usa jamie
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you agree heidi you agree you think women do not have equal rights to men the usa
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uh why is that and then do you two agree with that i don't think women have equal opportunity i don't
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know about equal rights so don't have equal opportunity but okay you agree with it i agree
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okay uh why do you agree with that because of the job market a lot of places hire men over women
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okay it could be like a job that a woman is more qualified for but they're still gonna
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have the job to a man how majority of companies now will place your resume through ai scanners and ai
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scanners are biased toward white men ai is fucked okay well why do you think they ask your gender
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on your application because they base it on the history of all their employees so this is
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i don't want to speak to something i don't know about so this ai thing you've presented to me
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haven't heard of it okay don't really know what i do know is that there's massive amounts of
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affirmative action that has a preference towards hiring women and then like you're in the you're in the
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entertainment industry right and it's run by men hold on in hollywood there's literally i i forgot if
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it was the grammy or not i'm sorry the grammys is music the oscars said your productions in order to
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qualify for certain awards uh i don't know if academy academy awards is that the tv wait academy
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awards and oscars are the same right i don't know wait what's the one for tv there's tv and then there's
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film the oscars are the emmys okay so i'm pretty sure it's across the board between both film and
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television they say you need to have this men much diversity and you need to hire this many women and
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these sorts of worlds and you need to have uh this many and they just got rid of that racial groups
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i don't know did they yeah those are companies okay but there's absolutely been like massive hiring
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freezes for white men but they just got rid of the diversity act uh the diversity act yes some some
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companies are rolling back their diversity initiatives but trust me hollywood is still cooked
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hollywood is still cooked there's a massive hiring preference towards women and minorities
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because men run the industry they already are all in the industry there are barely any women at these
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companies i've worked at them which companies i've worked at warner like warner music group like
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i've applied for the music industry yeah in the music industry it is mainly run by men
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it's mainly run by men they're not doing a good who's the most like famous uh isn't the most like
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well-paid and like taylor swift she's the highest paid musical you're really taking the one
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extremity and anomaly i mean this idea this idea that like women are held down in the entertainment
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industry no i'm talking the highest paid music is a woman all right but i feel like taylor swift is
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a good example as to a woman who hasn't been treated the greatest because con because kanye came up to
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her while she was getting her award and she is no way no way no way no way and that was unprovoked
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unneeded and for what and for i feel like that's a good example for a strong black woman for at at
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an award ceremony where they had the best video of all time yeah exactly but that's what i mean
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that's a good example but i bet you if that was a man up there he wouldn't have done that i bet you
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i could have still done that but he didn't he did that to a woman he had the best video of all time
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though okay but that is incredibly rude he had the best video of all time but i feel like that's
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incredibly rude to go up there and i don't say had the best video of all time but beyonce had the
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best video of all time but i feel like i deserve that to be honest i'm not talking about becoming a
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singer i'm not talking about becoming an actor and actress it's in the corporate industry of the
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entertainment business it is run by men all of the executives are men all of like the highest paid
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people at these companies are men okay now you're looking at the apex though like there's been massive
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hiring freezes when it comes to men when it comes to white people especially white men massive
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hiring because they're all in there that's all they have in those buildings but there's affirmative
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action for women so yeah for a reason uh but okay besides the hiring stuff is there anything
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else when it comes to women do not have equal rights to men in the usa besides men can't kill
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their kids any oh we're talking about abortion now i see well she brought it there huh um that was my
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main point with the equal rights thing it was mainly about jobs jobs okay uh what's for you what women
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don't have equal rights why is that uh for me i feel like i feel like that's actually a really good
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example is like the abortion i was when i was thinking of equal rights i was also thinking about
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like the job scene but um like with everything that's going on right now and talking about taking
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away the abortion laws to allow us to have abortions i feel like that's a prime example of how women are
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not having the right to choose okay so i i understand that abortion is mostly something that impacts women
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but i don't think it's evidence of an inequality that exists but i feel like between men and women
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if you if you want but i feel like it's but i feel like it's an inequality because if men are being
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forced if it's an issue that only concerns women to be honest women go through pregnancy but i feel like
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it is an inequality yeah i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like
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i feel like it is an inequality well so if i'm sorry if men had to carry babies if men have the
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if men have the laws would not be getting revoked that they would not be being forced to give child
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birth when it guarantees their death like i feel like but but men aren't being forced to stay it's
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not like they're being forced to help raise the kid they're forced to i would like to hear your
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opinion not all the time strongly about this not all the time they don't always pay child support i mean
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they don't they don't yeah well so yeah sometimes you just pick wrong you know well so i mean i feel
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like i personally feel like it's an inequality if the guy is totally broke then yeah you can't get
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blood from a stone but if the guy does have some resources he does he is making money yes the court
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the courts are very effective at collecting child support so so yes women can through the court
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through the state force men to pay child support but as it relates to the abortion issue i understand
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that it is an issue that women deal with but it wouldn't be an example of not having equal rights
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to men i feel like do you feel just theoretically that if men were the ones who carried and went through
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pregnancy and you know there were situations where men would die if they went through childbirth or
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maybe they got raped and you know they have to carry exactly do you think that maybe the laws would
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be different when it came to abortion you really don't think so you really don't no no i don't think
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so that's very interesting i mean it's it's a here's the thing it's a uh super crazy hypothetical that
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we obviously would not be able to know i don't think the laws would necessarily be different all
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right i think i mean whatever i guess you make the argument for why the laws would be different then
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well because most people who are in positions of power in this country are men and you don't think that
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they would favor toward men you don't think that not really no because the law is kind of sort of about
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what's fair and equal what's fair and equal about a woman having to give childbirth and dying on the
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table because so in this scenario the women they don't give extrapolation birth that's not an
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extrapolation that's a real thing that happens i understand that's a real thing that happens but
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like it also like doesn't happen as well but it does happen that's so like i don't understand your
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logic at all regardless of your opinion on abortion yeah i said what i said yep men don't have
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the right to kill their kids and in certain states women can do that well can i ask you do you think
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that there's a certain term date where you see it as women viewing their kids or you think it
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starts at conception conception okay because it's i mean it's scientifically like what it is are you
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religious well even there's like a secular argument so are you religious though well of course i am
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that's just a question but you know you can't unring that bell even even secularists believe that
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yeah yeah you could be an atheist and be pro-life yeah no i was just asking her if she was i wanted
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to get full context yes we can't really linger too long on the abortion convo but i again i understand
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that abortion is an issue that women care deeply about whether on one side or the other but i don't think
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it would be evidence of a uh women not having you don't think like a right that a man has you don't
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think women being taken away their right to choose is an inequality between women and men
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well there's no court so if it was the case that men also could get pregnant just as women could get
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pregnant okay but where's the accountability abortions and women couldn't this would be evidence of an
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inequality but because abortion is something that uniquely just very simple very keep things simple
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uniquely impacts women but what i said was so you don't think that women having their right to choose
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taken away is an inequality between men and women right so when we're talking about equal rights we're
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doing a comparison between the rights that men have and the rights that women have in this case
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this is something unique to women so men don't have either a right to abortion or no right to
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abortion okay but they have the right to impregnant a woman but men also have something that's what i
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mean hold on men don't have a right to get pregnant men have men don't but like but like but like
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if men can get women pregnant but women don't have the choice to keep that's what i mean they have the
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choice that doesn't really logically follow men have the right to vote on that though so do women
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but so then why should men be able to vote women that's still any who's bothering the kids
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that's getting aborted and even still that's not what i said in some states women perfectly
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well have the right to choose whether or not but men are able to hold on if i can finish please
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women do have the right in certain states to have an abortion what men do not have the right to do
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in all states is to kill their child that's what i said that's the point that i was making that's the
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inequality women do have the right to choose just not in certain states do you think that if so if a
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woman gets pregnant and she wants to choose to have an abortion but the husband or man doesn't
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want to have have her have the abortion what do you think should happen then then she should not have
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the abortion so first why does she want to have the abortion and second why does he not want to
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have an abortion are they buried were they trying is there something wrong with this child realistically
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i'm just thinking like one night's in you're not you're in college you just don't want to have a
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advocate i mean i think irresponsible like yeah but you know i think i think we can all agree that
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there's oh mr meow donated 69 american women are the most protected class in the world right there
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this kind of leads into our next thing here again though i'll just say uh again abortion whether
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whichever side of the aisle you fall on this is something that uniquely
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impacts women well okay i'll just leave it uniquely impacts women but it has it doesn't pertain to
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an inequality of rights between or comparison between men and women like the the true equality
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on this issue would be given the status that men have zero say
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women should like what would be equality between men and women i know you won't like this would be
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to have absolutely zero abortion rights that would create equality between men and women no it wouldn't
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this is why feminism is not feminism is not an equality movement it's a uh it's a woman's advocacy movement
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because where feminists won't fight for equality if women won't stand to benefit in some way
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wrap that around your how does taking okay so just to make it just to make sure i understand you're saying that
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that just taking it away in general and having like like no abortion allowed for both men and women
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yeah that's equal to that's equal to you why that would be because that would but you just said you
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just said that men can't have abortions that's correct because they can't get pregnant but but so
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how is that being equal but wouldn't you agree that that is equal you might not like it but it would be
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equal how is that being equal to take away a woman's choice that's what i mean is that you're
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taking away her choice yeah i'll make it super simple like they have the choice to impregnate
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her she should have the choice women can't have abortions that meets the definition of
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if a man chooses to get a woman pregnant she should be able to have the choice if she doesn't
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i'm i'm actually not it's not equitable yes it's all but it's not yeah but we're talking about
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equal so i'm not making well by definition you're correct hold on i'm not making a uh a dis uh i'm
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not making a prescriptive claim i'm not making a uh i'm speaking about what is i'm not saying i'm not
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taking a position right now on the right topic of abortion but i am speaking descriptively as it relates to
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rights and equal rights it would be the case that there would be an equality an equality that is
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created if both you know women could get abortions that would match up with the current status for men
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descriptively that's true okay but i feel like you could also switch that and if men have a choice
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to impregnate a woman then i feel like a woman should have a choice to not want to be pregnant
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yeah because you know well that is well no no no no no no no no i feel like i feel like you do
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like like men do have a choice to impregnate a woman that is a choice there's kind of ignoring rape
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right now that obviously happens yes okay yeah but that is a real but that's a real thing do you not
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feel you know like with excess or rape that we're getting off under any circumstances abortion the
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abortion convo is kind of dull to me okay it's hard it's new it's very nuanced yeah but i'm speaking
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i'm keeping it to the equal rights component of the conversation i think your argument's dumb so i'm
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gonna pee the argument is well what's dumb about it well it's just men can't get pregnant therefore
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they can't have abortions so yes men not having abortions and women not having abortions yes that is
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an equal thing but like it's not equitable yes it's equal but it's just who cares that he wants
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the kid i feel like that's not what he's that sucks arguing that does suck well i mean that's a huge
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part that i think it's a component and it i believe everything should be a discussion but i think a
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woman should still have everything should be a discussion but the woman should have the final
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like what's the point it's a discussion to get his input i don't know because you're you're going
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you're going you're the one carrying this child for nine months you could die going through child
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birth i just think that it's a higher risk that the woman's taking it right but especially here in
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the western what does it have to equal rights okay it's men can vote women you're just like
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shoving it off hold on you guys want to keep diverting to the abortion argument okay what is your
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what's your argument it pretend i'm not trying to have like a back and forth pro-life pro-choice
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i'm speaking strictly about the differential and rights between men and women in this case
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there is not a differential like men don't have a right that women don't yes yes i agree with this
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as it relates to this yes men have zero reproductive rights men have no reproductive rights
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quit so the you would either have to give men reproductive rights right and then that could
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it wouldn't i guess that'd be equity right because men can't have abortions but they could have like
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they could say oh i got you pregnant but i don't want to be a father so i don't have any uh i don't
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have to pay you child support even if you want to keep the kid i don't have to be in the kid's life
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even if you want to i i relinquish all my paternal responsibility okay and this is called sometimes
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they call it a paper abortion they call it legal paternal surrender okay but it's not a thing oh
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there's no state where a guy can say do a paper abortion where he says you know i'm not financially
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ready i'm young i don't want no it's not a thing men the woman could what and there's some crazy
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scenarios i know you brought up the essay thing the condom she could do that a woman could essay
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an underage boy get pregnant and then force him to the victim to pay child support like that will
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hold up in court though really absolutely so a woman could essay uh an underage boy up in court yes
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yes yes she could be charged i mean she could be charged with a some sort of alternate crime right
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but as it relates to the child support component he's now financially responsible for that child
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he would have to pay child support i see to his uh perpetrator okay yes would be yeah well yeah i
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think i think it's so i mean look that's obviously like really rare scenario but generally speaking
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there's plenty of men out there who you know they they've got a girlfriend or they have a one-night stand
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to get the girl pregnant she keeps the kid he's on the hook for 18 20 21 plus years right and on the
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18th birthday so we could start making arguments well it wouldn't be totally equal but the equitable
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thing would be okay in states where women have abortion rights let's give men a right to escape
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that's fantastic i i vote for you okay but it's i i'm not sure if that will ever happen there's massive
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systems and infrastructure lawyers court systems uh the the government bodies the like cps or whatever
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child support whatever there's massive infrastructure that wants to keep this the status quo and aren't
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going to give men an equitable uh exit from an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy right and you think those
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reasons are for profit uh yeah there's like i think there's typically uh i don't know if it's like
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lawyers organizations that uh want to keep it this way because lawyers make a ton of money right
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fighting over child support and yeah and courts enjoy it because it's a it's a revenue stream for them
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uh so yeah i think that'd be i mean my perspective is in states where abortion is legal men should have
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a corresponding right to say well i'm not financially ready for they don't even need a reason in the same
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whatever the circumstances a woman can get an abortion a man should be able to say
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i don't want to pay child support i don't want to have any responsibility i think i think that's fair
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there's obviously nuance if women can murder their unborn children men should at least be able to
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abandon them okay that's a very extreme claim with harsh wording but i think i see where you're
08:17:17.220
coming from i feel like men will still abandon them even if they can't legally do it oh well they should
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be a little bit more intentional about who they be fucking we have some chats coming through everyone
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wrap it up wrap up your willy devon jackson yeah thank you oh really man this panel is
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fucking ass load men have no right to choose he can't force her to have the abortion hey come for him
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not for us it's 100 her decision that is not an example of an inequality that favors men
08:17:53.460
the man the man can't force her to have the abortion or not have the abortion anyways well legally
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not legally legally so seven around this core wizard donated 69 dollars 95.9 percent of abortions
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all states do not allow abortion in the case of danger to the mother's life that's not a thing in
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texas to the mother's life and on the vote seach one you are not drafted but vote on war what was that
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last comment about chair one you're not drafted but vote on war oh because you said uh men get to
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vote vote on abortion but men can vote on women's rights just like women can vote on a bunch of
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stuff that but like strictly impacts men if you're talking about the government officials that get the
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right to take away women's rights there's more men in those chairs well i mean the why should they
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actually there's more women there's there's a larger electorate body that is comprised of women there's
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more women voters than there are men voters it's not about the voters it's about the people that are
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in the supreme court deciding who well now you're shifting the goalposts to the supreme court because
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those are the ones who are able to take away the rights they kicked it back to the states the states
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then vote on their own state supreme court has an outlawed abortion states make the determination yeah but
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they're the ones that reversed roe versus wade yeah which pushed it back to the states
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yeah but what i'm saying there's more men in those chairs making those decisions than women so it's not
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equal are there yes there's seven judges it's not uh there's not judges okay so it's odd it's still an odd
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number and most of them are men all they all they did was hand the matter over to each of the 50 states
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to vote on it we gotta move off of abortion though um desert jorge donated 69 dollars keep your
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fucking legs closed you strumpets loads damn what the fuck they're coming here at the end 69 tts
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streamlabs.com thank you for your money uh men are more privileged in society than women heidi you agree
08:20:11.220
with this does anybody else agree with this men are more privileged in society um i think you know
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there's different qualifications for what that even means like pretty privilege for example like
08:20:22.900
girls going out to a bar not having to buy for a table or wait in a line or buy drinks like okay
08:20:27.860
maybe women's lives are more privileged in that regard but i think to generalize i would agree with
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that claim i have to go to the bathroom sounds good okay heidi you circle this uh men are more
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privileged in society than women how so jobs just jurbs just the jobs um how i how so i guess in what
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way it's the odds of getting the same job as a man it's the same with race same with race yeah a white
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man is more likely to get the job a qualified black woman would apply for well i don't know the statistics
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on that but at least as it relates to gender the same qualifications and they're still going to
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choose so look there's massive there's massive amounts of uh hiring priority in massive in all
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from massive corporations all the way down there's tons of affirmative action that places a priority in
08:21:27.220
hiring women if you look in urban areas you look in cities uh single childless women under the age of 30
08:21:34.260
they out earn their male counterparts women are out earning men especially in 2025 you look at major
08:21:41.060
cities women are frequently frequently out earning men there's plenty of job opportunities for women
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this idea and then further if we're looking at differentials or gaps you know you'd like to say
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okay well women don't get these really glamorous jobs women don't make as much money even if i go
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ahead and grant that this is true and i have some disputes as to this
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men occupy the absolute worst positions there are we watched some videos earlier
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so men are way more likely to die on the job they're more likely to be crushed on the job
08:22:17.460
they're more likely to have arms and legs and fingers severed on the job they're more likely to
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freeze to death on the job they're more likely to burn to death on the job more likely to be crushed
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to death on the job there's all kinds of gaps that exist why is it that we only focused on the
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amount of money that's made as it relates to gaps the wage gap but we don't look at the
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you know i think honestly the bigger gender grievance which is that men are way more over
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represented in workplace fatalities and workplace injuries why don't we ever examine those gaps
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well because it's not the same job you're not doing the same job if i'm working
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i don't know i'm a donald's i'm gonna expect to get the same as my male counterpart but they do though
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women do get paid in fact oftentimes they've done audits of these companies they didn't audit of or
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google did a self-audit and they're like oh we're a feminist and we want to make sure that the women are
08:23:13.140
paid the same they actually found out that they were paying women more than the men how do you
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explain that are the women negotiating and the men aren't well if it was the reverse you would
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just say that that's sexism no so if the men were just well that's actually one of the components for
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why men uh there's an earnings gap men are more likely to negotiate when women are more likely to
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take the first offer or take a lesser offer because men are usually offered the job over a woman
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like i said if the qualifications are the same on paper are they yes like uh-huh theoretically if you
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and a woman apply for the same exact job qualifications are the same and i'm not talking
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like physical labor jobs i'm talking like corporate jobs like what about uh you think i'm more likely to
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be hired as a uh like a teacher yeah children there's lots of male teachers um are there more
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female teachers or male teachers like in the elementary school level i think there's more female but it's also
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choice of what career you want to go in i agree there's a lot there's choices men make certain choices some
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of those choices happen to pay men more women make a lot of choices a lot of those choices happen to
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pay women less because of choice not because of sexism but hr is the one that is hiring which is
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predominantly made up of feminist left-leaning women why don't feminist left-leaning women who run the hr
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departments why aren't they hiring women because it goes through ai goes through ai there's an answer
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but hold on but ai is like within the past two three years women were running hr departments for
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decades so what's going on there i mean i am 25 ai has been around since i've been applying for jobs
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they teach us how to make resumes for the ai scanners like it's been like what three years
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i didn't say i'm talking ai in general like the ats scanners are the ones that are going through the
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resumes and deciding which resumes get pulled for the jobs and you're saying that there's evidence that
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they're just disqualifying all women why do you think they choose to put on the application gender
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ethnicity there is no reason why a job needs to know that when you're applying for a job you can decline to
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answer and i forget sometimes i do and i get more interviews when i decline to answer um but there
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there was a study that came out that released that an ati company ats um for a major company was biased
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toward white men i'm not saying that's every company but i'd have to see the study i haven't seen it
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yeah no it does exist though uh but again i i guess my question to you is why why is it that we only
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hyper focus in on the money component and not all the other things i'm not focusing on the money
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component i'm talking about the opportunity to have a job why is it that 94 of workplace fatalities
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happen to men like i think dying is kind of a bigger deal because some women make a few dollars labor
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right wasn't that what we talked about that for a while right but why isn't there a fight for like
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equality and feminism like let's get more female bricklayers what's going on there
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why can't like we're not biologically as well adapted as you guys are to so fulfill those jobs
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proficiently question for you yes if you knew that there was a risk for a job that you could die
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or be maimed would you probably want to be compensated for that of course okay do you think
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jobs where there's a risk of injury or death people are probably less likely to do that job
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i yeah i would i would say for the most and there's a greater demand for that job
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um it depends sorry when i say i guess there's a demand from the
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not not from the employee side but from the employer side
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yeah could you give me because there's less people willing to do the job
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yeah okay and are men more likely to work dangerous and dirty jobs yes okay so if it
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even from your perspective it would you would have to be paid more to do that job
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whereas most people would be fine in an air condition like you don't need to be oh man you
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don't need to be paid more to work an air-conditioned office job like no you don't have to be convinced to
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do that yeah i'm confused what's like the question well i'm saying that one of the components and by
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the way the wage gap there's like multi it's multi-varied multiple reasons for why this earnings gap
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exists first off the wage gap is oftentimes the number that's quoted it's just comparing all the
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money that men make to all the women that money make it's not factoring in hours worked type of job
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uh location yeah uh field of work all these other factors over time etc etc etc so one of them is
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though men are more willing to work these like dangerous right undesirable jobs and undesirable
08:28:40.020
jobs because they're undesirable oftentimes tend to be rewarded uh-huh uh more because of their
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undesirable nature like if you're working a job where it's like you're an underwater welder and delta
08:28:54.340
p there's a chance you get sucked into a tube and like instantly vaporized you should probably be
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compensated well for taking on the risk of doing underwater welding for sure i agree with that hazard
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pay right yeah right men are much more likely to engage in hazard pay that's only one of the many
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metrics by which this earnings gap manifests itself but when you start accounting for uh all these
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different variables and you compare like for like it shrinks to just one cent men earn one cent more
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than women but i think it's more of the problem in companies where they are paying a man more than they
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are paying a woman for the same exact job if she can prove it she can follow a lawsuit well that's why they
08:29:38.020
tell you not to discuss your financials with co-workers they tell you not to tell your co-workers
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how much you're getting paid because most of the time it's unequal well i mean i'll i'll propose this
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that was my wage gap really quick show of hands who here wants a guy to pay for first dates just show
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of hands super quick okay so i think ignoring even all the things i listed the fact that men work more
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they work more hours they work more overtime they're more likely to relocate they're more likely to do
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xyz different thing that happens to be correlated to higher pay i argue that it's actually women cause
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the wage gap women through your own sexist expect gendered expectations you want men to pay for first
08:30:23.380
dates you want men to be providers this creates a mating pressure that exists only on men it doesn't exist
08:30:30.580
in the reverse it doesn't exist back you create you want men to pay for first dates to be providers
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they're going to be more motivated to make money they're going to be more motivated to work harder
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i think issues like the wage gap are nuanced but i agree with you that women do contribute to part of
08:30:47.460
the problem well if the standard is as a woman i want a man to pay for dates i want to be a provider
08:30:53.380
yeah that would create a social pressure a mating pressure that exists one direction but doesn't
08:30:59.460
exist the other direction right like as women you want money like for yourself yeah but it's never
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part of the calculus yeah that men are not looking for women of like i'm making a bunch of money so uh
08:31:14.100
women want to fuck me right or sorry men want to fuck me well i guess you're bisexual so maybe it works
08:31:19.780
out if you're bi i don't know but yeah it's not like women can absolutely be super motivated obviously
08:31:27.220
wanting to take care of yourself being financially secure that is very motivating but you don't have
08:31:32.740
this added level of pressure or motivation on the basis of uh finding a boyfriend yes like you can be
08:31:42.980
broke yes and guys are still going to want to deal with you but if you're a broke guy that does have an
08:31:48.820
impact on your dating process i totally agree with that some women deal with broke dudes but it does
08:31:54.260
have an impact in the very simply you all want a guy to pay for a first date yeah if a guy can't afford
08:31:59.940
to pay for a first date i hear that i i agree that it's harder to date as a poor man an attractive man
08:32:08.740
than a poor unattractive woman it's tough out there it's all right one more thing from the questionnaire
08:32:14.580
we're going to let some chats come through and then we're going to get this wrapped uh two chats
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coming in desert judge donated 69 dollars take some fucking accountability with regards to who you
08:32:28.180
let fuck you raw and inseminate you i mean yeah take some accountability yeah yeah all right oh uh we're
08:32:38.500
gonna do uh the makeup removal actually wait i'll wait for that temporarily uh final thing from the
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questionnaire sorry two more things from the questionnaire my bad a woman's passion not matter
08:32:50.100
talking about body count you agree uh elizabeth you agree ellie didn't even circle anything okay
08:32:59.700
um she just agrees she disagrees on everything um okay who here thinks a woman's passion not matter
08:33:06.660
body count i think everything's nuanced it's nuanced okay i know you hate me no it's okay no no you
08:33:14.980
you've been super respectful no absolutely no hate thank you um why are we judging men for their body
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counts you can if you want to nothing stops women from judging men for it i don't think a body count
08:33:31.540
should determine your value to another person it doesn't determine the value but it makes me
08:33:38.340
worry about your your choices and your judgment sometimes like if a guy if he slept with over 200
08:33:44.260
women i'd be like hmm it's a little like what's going on what's going on there you know i'm like
08:33:48.580
is everything okay mentally like i think in our generation it's a little different just because
08:33:54.020
the body count number for like the average person is gone up for our generation specifically
08:33:59.140
because of the sleeping around culture um has it i don't know it definitely i think it's gone down
08:34:05.860
actually two ways i think down it might have gone down i see that gen z is having less sex because
08:34:12.740
nobody wants to talk to anybody in person but then i also hear specifically i think the extremes are so
08:34:19.620
much higher probably yeah and i think that also like there's been a pull away from like
08:34:24.740
typical values i think too in a very very big way um and i mean like even going so far back like i'm
08:34:34.740
like i said i'm 36 my parents right like my parents had their values but they didn't always like push
08:34:43.060
their values on to us i have four siblings um so i mean you know we kind of called it like we see it
08:34:51.060
you know and if we didn't see it then we made it up so okay well uh i guess uh so who here thinks
08:34:59.700
just show of hands uh body count doesn't matter shouldn't matter passion not matter you said shouldn't
08:35:07.140
matter it doesn't matter it matters i don't i couldn't i couldn't 100 agree with that claim so i
08:35:13.220
can't raise my hand that body count does not matter at all under yeah i don't think it matters i
08:35:18.340
couldn't i couldn't agree with that sure uh well here i'll ask this uh if body count
08:35:25.060
shouldn't matter it doesn't matter what's your body count one
08:35:30.740
felicity two five into the mic five five i'm not sharing this do you want to do range ballpark um
08:35:38.500
um under 25. did you lose track no it's just that's nobody's business but mine okay so you do
08:35:47.140
know the number i do know it's track but yeah did you stop counting um i you know it's not like every
08:35:53.140
time i had sex i went and wrote it in my notebook but you know i i have a an idea i could recall all the
08:36:00.420
times if i wanted to ellie zero um i don't know off the top of my head ballpark range uh more than 10.
08:36:09.220
so could be a thousand well no no more than 10 less than 25. okay did you lose track uh
08:36:19.540
no i'm just not really a counter okay stopped counting i guess what about you
08:36:24.980
eight okay i'm married and i'm not giving that information me just okay out of respect for my
08:36:31.940
husband dad definitely not you don't want to do a little ballpark or i mean it's less than eight
08:36:37.540
for sure do you guys want to give your like girl count like how many girls you would you like that
08:36:46.020
i don't know just that maybe you're more comfortable being like i done
08:36:48.740
fuck kissed a couple chicks yeah um i would well for me it's just the the area i grew up in there
08:36:54.980
wasn't a lot of gay girls so i would say coming to you know la that has changed probably like
08:37:03.300
i would say a fourth of my sexual experiences have been with women maybe maybe even a third
08:37:11.060
i would say half my sexual experiences have been with women okay uh two questions on this uh
08:37:17.940
would you date a guy who previously had sex with men
08:37:23.380
yes no no if he was the top okay that's real interesting what if he was the bottom no
08:37:32.500
no i like a masculine man yeah i would um i don't know would you date a guy who previously had sex with
08:37:42.340
prostitutes like he he's clean he paid that's clean but or like he just happened to date a
08:37:48.500
prostitute or like he purchased he purchased her services i see no no no no no no no no no
08:37:57.940
what what if it's just one time i don't care no one time why are you that down bad like go on tinder
08:38:03.140
bro we have dating apps it's 2025 literally it's not rough i'm not in favor of men seeking out
08:38:10.820
prostitutes but i'm thinking necessary like maybe you just wanted you know whatever i think it's kind
08:38:16.180
of lame i guess but whatever all right uh oh um can women so this is this would apply just to youtube
08:38:26.420
because nobody else indicated uh here on this uh can women be sexist towards men yeah yeah everyone
08:38:35.140
can be sexist everyone can be racist everyone can be yeah we're human wait can can anybody be can you
08:38:41.380
be racist towards white people of course yes i don't know i believe that i i believe that i could
08:38:48.180
as i'm latina i can be racist toward any other race or black people be racist towards white people
08:38:55.060
um i don't maybe stereotypical is a better i don't know if racist is the right word would you what do
08:39:00.100
you think i think it's the right word but what do you i just don't know okay what do you think
08:39:03.460
i stop no no i'm not thinking i don't i'm trying to think of like what to say i don't think you can
08:39:13.780
be racist i'm just that are you black yes i'm puerto rican and black okay but so as somebody who's
08:39:21.700
i guess half black then like is it what is it called afro latina is that the term i don't know
08:39:27.860
is it i don't know is that offensive i don't know um as somebody who's black can you be racist
08:39:35.140
towards a white person i don't think personally i can like like okay okay wait okay let me let me
08:39:42.420
actually wait let me explain this me and my me and my other black friends have talked about this before
08:39:48.820
we think that because systematically like when it comes to black people and white people because white
08:39:54.900
people have kept us down for so long and we're finally in this sense of like empowerment we don't
08:40:00.260
think you can be racist towards a white person because that's just reparations can you give me
08:40:04.900
an example yeah racist toward a white person yeah give me an example and i'll tell you whether or
08:40:09.380
not like oh crackers can you do that that's not the same gravity as that no it is not
08:40:15.540
don't say the n-word if you oh yeah i'm not going to just because we're on stream
08:40:18.820
yeah i would say for example if a black person assaulted a white person because they're white
08:40:36.100
i would okay yeah that's oh well yeah that's a that's a crime that's all yes that's a hate crime
08:40:41.940
so therefore it is racist right oh i feel like that's just assault wait wait because they're white
08:40:46.980
because they're white oh yeah that's racist then yeah totally so black people can be racist towards
08:40:52.820
white people yep you heard it here first is it do you think it's racist though i think that's
08:40:57.940
high key hot take i think that's reparations but that's my personal thing
08:41:03.220
that's a personal thing but but but genuinely but genuinely i do think that like like don't be
08:41:10.260
don't be somebody's ass don't do that don't i wow i don't think that's okay no no no i'm not
08:41:15.940
saying violence is okay i'm not saying violence is okay i don't promote the violence okay all right
08:41:22.340
well um i do think that uh anybody can be racist towards anybody it's just
08:41:28.260
race-based bigotry hatred it's longer than i i'm getting beautiful we're getting tired okay good talk
08:41:37.700
well i mean that's it for the questions pretty much um we're gonna let some chats come through
08:41:42.500
before we do we do a segment so uh do it quick if you want to get this wrapped up uh people take off
08:41:49.060
their makeup on stream so you guys i'm only wearing so as you know i just had surgery i have stitches
08:41:55.700
right here okay i need like hydrogen peroxide you know what i have like a whole thing when it comes
08:42:00.740
to i don't the other i mean you know i can it's just uh all right ellie's probably not a good idea
08:42:08.020
i know hey have me on next time so your your makeup is just like perma on no i when i get back to our
08:42:15.780
hotel i have to there's just a lot of steps to it right now because i need to make sure it's sanitized
08:42:21.060
and i don't know what all right we got some troopers here everybody else is doing it that's fine she's
08:42:24.820
she's recovering from a from a surgery so i'm only wearing her too guys just letting you know when
08:42:30.260
you're done when you guys are done hold it up for the camera i'm gonna let some chats come through
08:42:35.460
here we go here's mine we're out of here within like five minutes
08:42:57.780
if it was the case that you could get away with paying women less corporations could just take
08:43:01.940
advantage of this and just hire only women and save like 20 30 on payroll well put wizard thank
08:43:08.740
you i have another one from mozart's bugatti good name donated 69 dollars women mad at men women mad
08:43:16.500
at being women asexual i'm far from there are only two sexes on earth and you're at war socially with
08:43:22.980
each other get a life because you're cooked you're an asexual npc wow who's that for i'm not sure
08:43:31.940
thank you mozart's bugatti good name uh who if you're done hold it up let's see the damage okay
08:43:38.100
there it is we got the damage over here hold it up hold it up mine's looks so like i only use
08:43:46.100
hold it up micellar water good times oh i love micellar water yeah yeah if you guys need to use two
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feel free we're very generous here at the whatever podcast you know if you need to we're not going to
08:43:58.820
be stingy with the makeup lights guys final call if you want to get a uh tts in i'll give you we're
08:44:04.580
wrapping within five so you have a bit of time to get a tts in get it in boys 69 tts final if you want
08:44:12.340
the final word okay i know you're not a big piece if you want a final word here on the show final call
08:44:18.740
tts get them in boys oh it was a good panel you guys were good uh i thoroughly enjoyed this
08:44:25.300
conversation i enjoyed it it was fun and i appreciate you obviously we disagreed on some
08:44:29.300
things but you were very respectful and you had like an open mind to the conversation yeah totally
08:44:33.220
i think that's i appreciate that super important i feel that not enough people try to look um at
08:44:38.420
multiple perspectives nowadays when it comes to nuanced issues and that's something that i believe
08:44:42.100
in so i appreciate that no it's a sign of intelligence to being like hearing a position that
08:44:48.340
you perhaps don't agree with or you know whatever so you're very fair you're very reasonable you were
08:44:53.460
very good faith so thank you i appreciate and everybody else was for the most part except for
08:44:58.820
felicity she talked too much tonight rude uh so i'll start the uh and mary remember to do the little
08:45:06.260
outro thing with the little audio thing uh by the way guys a couple things here stay until the end
08:45:13.940
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08:45:50.100
want to say oh also by the way no no woman here is only fans right no no even in the past plug them
08:45:57.380
or something no no but like sometimes a criticism you get on the show is like oh you guys only bring
08:46:03.220
on of girls but like no i'm getting my degree babe i got into some crazy yeah majority of our guests
08:46:11.220
don't do of but it's like this perpetual thing that annoys me you just bring on prostitutes i'm like no
08:46:18.180
most of the girls are normal most of the women are normal girls who come on the show so not one single
08:46:25.940
of girl on this panel not one not her not felicity not anybody okay so anyways moving on uh gg i want
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it uh double checking everything one moment folks all right cool oh we just have
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the fuck okay i mean brian where's your wet wipe oh i didn't do it right i gotta take the cake off
08:47:52.980
um anyways uh thank you guys thank you panel you guys were dope uh is there anything we're forgetting
08:48:00.740
nah nah we did every okay that was a good show thank you guys okay uh good night guys good night
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