WALK OFF？! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist？! BOW Video 2.0？! She TESTED Him？! ｜ Dating Talk #202
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we introduce our first guest, a 20-year-old college student from California named Arlanena, and her best friend, Rachael, who's 20-years-old and from Vancouver, Canada.
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your name age location and occupation go ahead hi my name is arlena and i'm 20 i'm from san francisco but
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now i live in orange county and i do social media and i go to cal state fullerton for business marketing
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you're doing your uh undergrad all right and your major is business marketing business marketing got
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it okay all right welcome what about you hi i'm rachel i'm from vancouver i'm 39 years old and i'm a
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server vancouver vancouver i'm from montreal but i live in vancouver oh like montreal montreal that
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that's in quebec yeah quebec it's like east so you're like a quebecois i'm a quebecois when you're
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when you're a girl québécoise but if you're a guy québécois tu parles français oui ah c'est bien ça
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toi aussi un peu juste un peu mais pas très bien mais non tu parles bien ah merci ça me fait plaisir
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ah et bien donc peut-être peut-être peut-être maybe yes maybe you're good you're good on va parler
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un peu de français oui personne va comprendre mais eh bien on s'en fout c'est bien ça et toi and you
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hi there i'm bianca i'm 22 i'm from king city and i am a care provider for kids on the spectrum
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all right uh school are you in school at all or uh not right now not right now and did you say your
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occupation server server got it okay bartender or used to be no i did kind of everything in the
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restaurant industry okay but i'm a server all right and then um any schooling college or uh yeah
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performing arts i'm i make money serving but i'm a actress and musician and singer yeah did you go
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to school though like university i did performing arts i did nutrition school and i did uh photography
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school do you have i don't know if it's the equivalent in canada bachelor's they were all sort
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no they were all like sort of private schools oh beating cheeks donated 200.03 mei yuan i am
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testing the customization you did for me if it didn't work at what you said i am going to be
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upset also ladies feminists especially quit college if you are going learn to be a christian wife
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uh you know i i had the images but i actually had to get rid of all of them uh you can hide that
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just while he's gone um thank you beating cheeks though for the tts it's been a while man good to
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see you in the chat thank you so much for your uh tts uh so you get the little uh that's a certain
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website that's your sound until we can come up with some sort of other sound i had to get rid of the
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gifts or whatever but it's just images now um you were saying uh oh yeah schooling so they were
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they were all sort of like private schools and like one year program where you except the photography
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school was college so there's a thing in quebec it's kind of different you have like kind of it's
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kind of a pre-university like years and sometimes you can do something specific or you can do like
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courses that are pre-university for whatever program you want but the photography school was
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itself a program okay everything else just like a one year sure intensive what about you
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so hi everybody and hi life shamers uh my name is lb um i am 22 years old i am currently an optician
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slash optometrist as my occupation and i go to school at uci for biology
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wait optometrist yeah optometrist assistant oh assistant yes because isn't an optometrist a medical
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doctor uh i don't know if they're an md but they're an od correct yeah they are an od so are you an od
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um i'm trying to get into school for like to become an od but i'm currently just a college
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undergrad so i'm not an od right now i just work with an optometrist i'm not an optometrist okay i see
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okay yeah maybe i maybe you had misspoke but you said you were optom optician slash optometrist assistant
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oh okay did you say the assistant part yes you did yes chat like at the first like you clarified
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that you were an assistant but initially i don't think you left off the assistant i am an optometrist
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assistant thank you appreciate the clarification there and you're studying what again in university
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bio bio got it what about you hi i'm emma i'm 22 years old and i'm currently a student studying
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communications all right welcome back thank you for being able to kind of fill in here last minute
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since we had a couple cancellations uh mdog i'm morgan i'm 18 i go to santa barbara city college
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majoring in political science and she's also a star athlete yes soccer player
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okay never mind um anisa um i'm anisa i'm 19 i go to ucsb and i'm studying biology
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he's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer okay sorry that was cringe all right um my name's brian atlas i'm
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i'm 35 from santa barbara washed up over the hill has been youtuber content creator
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and stripper male stripper andrew what about you
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yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the crucible
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it's an entertainment channel on youtube i'm a political analyst political satirist
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all right welcome everybody welcome andrew so we're going to go around the table once more
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what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage
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situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule
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2024 uh if you're single how long have you been single
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what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead
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so i'm single and i've been single for a couple months now and my longest relationship would be four years
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so like three months you think or you've been single i mean
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so okay let's see and you said longest relationship four years
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uh it was more like mutual because of long distance
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was that the one that ended three months ago no that was in high school when i was in san francisco
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but i moved to orange county the one that ended three months ago how long was that relationship
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uh he broke up with me why because i was um he said that i was very like um clingy
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clingy okay yeah okay are you clingy was he wrong
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were there specific things that he told you he didn't like
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um it kind of like ended it really fast i feel like because he didn't take any accountability
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or anything like that but for what for like his actions and stuff like that what so yeah what did he do
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he would uh he would constantly like get mad at me
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and yell at yell at me in like public settings and stuff like that and he would blame me for it
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and with me so what what was an example of a time he blamed you
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like what was what was he like what was his justification for the public yelling
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um i feel like every little thing i have i do he would just like get really mad because he just
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had anger issues and um my love language is like quality time so i love like spending quality time
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with him but he saw that as really annoying so that's why he viewed it as clingy
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so you felt also you were you were walking on eggshells a bit
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yeah because he was quick to anger yeah okay uh if there's one thing
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aside from being clingy is there anything else you did wrong in the relationship that you can point to
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that was the only thing okay the cleanness all right all right um so he would like
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like like people around would hear him yelling at you or like how crazy was the yelling um it was
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pretty bad i would say well in a public setting we were um at disneyland and he would yell at me
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and other things that i can't say um like i can't i can't say it like hit you yeah in public yeah
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well i mean even if it was in private that would not be a good thing i'm just
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clarification there but uh yikes okay um at disneyland did like um did goofy come up and like
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fuck him up or some shit or what um no but people were staring and i think they wanted to like help
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me but it was like at midnight so everybody was tired and just going home at that point wait so just
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to be clear there were it was still disneyland there's still some people around but it was a
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lot of people a lot of people a lot of people and he was smacking you around and nobody came to help
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or anything people were looking for sure but no one helped damn okay um
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did you smack him back at least no no smack back i don't i don't hit no yeah okay well disavow
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disavow disavow that behavior um damn sorry to sorry to hear that that's uh
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would he yell at you in english or was it like a different language oh yeah english english was it
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like i yeah it's a white guy what's that thing the oxford study what's everybody talking about
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yeah white guy i'm a victim of oxford study yeah oh boy okay oh yeah wait how do you know about that
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yeah wait what is that what is that any i don't even know i just see the tiktoks an oxford study is
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like is it an actual study in like i think it is it's an actual study and they study in oxford university
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i believe i don't know but it's just about how like asian girls and white dudes tend to date each other
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can you ask grok austin can you pull up grok and see just what is the oxford study um okay damn
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good times by the way i heard before the show you two were talking in a different language was it
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philip was it tagalog yes okay you guys are filipina half oh half okay all right
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yeah let's uh let's see what grok has to say here make it a little bigger here what is yeah go
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ahead let's see what what that is all right what's grok gonna tell us hopefully it doesn't
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make it bigger in the context of discussions about interracial relationships specifically
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between asian women and white men users have pointed out that while there might be real
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research the way it's invoked online okay scroll down wait covet what scroll down
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well that's not helpful okay all right grok all right um good time so you're single now in any case
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you've been single for three months uh any rebounds or anything in the three-month period
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girl what do you know what do you know no it's it's it's her thing like um do i have permission you
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have permission i give you permission what are you gonna say no she's got permission i give you permission
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um she's just having fun right now that's all i'll say she she's having fun um
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huh i just have to tell her and what uh what what what kind of fun
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um so when i mean like fun like she's just talking she's like in talking stages guys
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but i just have to tell her like hey you gotta be careful right i tell her countless many times
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because i am that one friend that always tells her to be careful but that's how much i care about her
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um there are guys i feel um that kind of take advantage over her if she's not really being
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careful um especially if like they are implying that they want more out of her then um she should be
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giving they want more out of her than she should be given for clarification when i mean like want more
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out of her i think they just want head what yeah um like brian i've been told that you um you've been
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grok blocked what what's that mean well i guess if you don't know what that means then you've been
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grok blocked i've been grok blocked okay uh grok blocked yeah so
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like let's say we're at a party right and um like situation wise and some guys are chatting her up
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and it's pretty obvious that depending on his like like body language and how he's trying to get
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close to her um asking her like hey like you want to go get raising canes or something after this
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um or like let's go out after like what are you what are you planning on doing after this party
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she'd be like yeah i'm down i'm i'm good i'm down um i i had to tell her like dude do not do not go
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one-on-one with the dude because there is a high chance of where that's going to lead to right
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um especially where's that where's that where does that lead to it could be anywhere dude like
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s-ing the s-ing the d like it's not what you said yeah like getting head or some like like
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receiving head from her or from like or like doing more than that for instance
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like like that's like the like that's like and so that's what you're trying to prevent
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yeah basically you want her to just go full home run like you don't want no i'm just telling her to
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be careful like with sometimes like her eyes no like so my eyes or her hair what do you mean
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no sometimes because of the head no like because that's just hard to like get out you know if it
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gets in your hair like i'm just saying is that basically if she's one-on-one with the dude
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anything could happen and i just have to tell her to be careful or i try to tell her like i don't know
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if this is a good idea um if you are really moving forward to hang out with this guy like at least have
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some of her friends around so then that way like he can't like either take advantage of you you
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barely know this dude right you you've just met him at a party and you're already like full set ready
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to just hang out with him afterwards just one-on-one so you've been advising her in a friend capacity
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not to s the d too soon yes is that yes my understanding yes slop the d give head have
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sex whatever it is like just be careful that's what i pretty much advise her to do what when is an
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appropriate time to to do that like how like not the first night like it should be like maybe the
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second date or are you are you referring to um like going like second base third base with like
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someone like um the the you know the s-ing the d it's like oral sex right like like head um oral
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copulation or copulation yeah um i would say fellatio right yeah fellatio um so i think a good time to do
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that would probably getting to know the person um even more not even like after the third date i'm i
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think i would say i'm a little bit more traditional like i have to um or like this is what i would also
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like want to help her out on doing because i feel like she tends to rush into things a lot and so i
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would say like a good time to uh probably do something like second base or third base would be
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once you like already committed you know um i'm not unless like you want to go for casual like
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that's like well then like with not within my realm basically like pretty much you do whatever you want
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but if you are trying to be serious with someone and you are committing to your like committing to them
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i'd say like sex should be like after commit like committing to a relationship okay all right um
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so i guess just to move things along kind of go back really quick you've been single for three
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yeah yeah currently like you're seeing while hanging out with uh yes one just one just one
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are there other guys that you're talking to no no oh okay all right when's the last time you saw him
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a couple days ago okay all right what about you i am single been single for like a year and a few months i
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think and my longest relationship would be i'm not sure probably like around two years or two years
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two years yeah something like that ever married no any kids no uh so longest relationship two years
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uh is that the one that ended a year ago no okay uh who broke up with who in the two-year relationship
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uh i broke up with them and then the uh relationship a year ago who broke up with who i broke up with them
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okay all right um why the last one why the last how about the last one and the longest one
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uh last one i was just um i feel like he was a little uh emotionally unregulated like he would just
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things like he would just create problems basically out of nothing and i just never knew why and
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um i mean it was i think it was like insecurity and couldn't trust also because of isx so i i get
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that but it was just kind of like blowing out in my face a lot and i we're just getting into conflicts a lot
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felt was no reason and i was just i was just like can't be in conflicts
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this many times and are like all the time basically and then i was like i can't
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yeah it's just too intense to all the time okay
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what about you i'm single all right how long you've been single for uh a long time
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forever yeah okay never so never had a boyfriend no all right just like silly ones but like
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i don't i don't silly ones what do you mean like can you move your mic this way yeah this way right
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here yeah yeah they weren't like they didn't last that long so i don't what's the longest period
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anything's lasted like a month or two months two months so two months is the longest you've been
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talking to a guy yeah the guy okay two months uh never boyfriend girlfriend title no well
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your online boyfriend doesn't count no no no you met on this um
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i guess he did ask me out but i didn't like take it seriously like i didn't really like him
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so i don't know i just felt bad so i kind of just was like we parted ways you know
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wait so when you say he asked you out he asked you to be his girlfriend yes but i said yes oh you
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said yes i said yes but you didn't like him like i did but i like i didn't like i did but
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okay so yeah i felt bad because yeah i don't know i guess he was nice and all but like he had like
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a micro physically like i didn't like him he was just nice oh yeah he was nice he wasn't mean enough
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to you like if he was mean to you then you would have dated him like all the other girls here no
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like sorry did i say that out loud my bad yeah but
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okay yeah um so but have you had like friends with benefits no i did have like a situationship
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like two years ago but millionaire bachelor donated two hundred dollars andrew wilson aka third baby
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daddies are you running from millionaire bachelor who's i am your daddy now hi rachel
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there's a troll that was me around the internet okay um so no friends with benefits
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have you had a hookup um i'm not saying anything well i mean it's a dating podcast i know but i'm good i'm good i'm good i mean so are you a virgin then i'm not saying anything is that a i mean you're on a dating podcast we're talking about dating i'm not saying anything
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okay okay i mean okay so you're just gonna refuse to answer any questions no i'll answer questions but
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i'm just not gonna respond to the ones that i don't but without having an understanding of the scope of
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your relationship history i told you it's difficult for me to i told you i was in a situationship two years
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ago okay but like did you guys hold hands yes huh yes right but like is that the extent of
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your relationship experience is hand-holding because i'm gonna tailor questions hold on i'm
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gonna tailor questions to you based on my sense of your relationship experience
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so i mean if you're just refusing to answer a fairly basic question uh i mean how do i
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like we're all you're 22 right like we're all adults sex is a normal thing people have not a big deal
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nobody's judging you if you've had sex if you're a virgin nobody's judging you either
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you know um so given my further explanation do you want to perhaps contribute to the conversation and
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answer the question no okay what are you willing to answer them uh
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answer it but I'm just trying to explain to you my
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okay who broke up with who in the two and a half year relationship
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okay and then the one that ended three months ago who broke up with who
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uh you're so you've been single for three months any guys in the picture currently
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and uh the two year one who who broke up with who
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and then my longest relationship before that was a year
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let's save the bow video for a little bit later austin
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i'm going to just jump right into the pre-show notes here that we have
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perhaps i'll give you one and then you can give me another some point later
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you said you went on a date with an influencer that was love bombing you
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can you give us a bit of a kind of uh elaboration a little bit on this story
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um i don't know if i can say which netflix series it is
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like an extra who got paid like 200 bucks for a day or some shit
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uh so but you went on and he's an influencer too
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so he's not just an actor he's like does youtube or some shit
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although typically you don't hear them being done
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they're not as they don't really need the praise
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like an easier way to put it and I do feel that
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charming because they put on some sort of facade
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yeah let me let me try to give you like a maybe
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Yeah, but I think close mindedness is good, too.
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see a problem with that either i mean i don't see why that's problematic i mean there are specific
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things that we're all close-minded about but yeah sure but what i mean being being open-minded about
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that okay this person functions differently this person thinks with their emotions first and then
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thinks through the actions whereas like me for example yeah i think yeah sure but but here's
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the difference right here's the difference you and i value that differently and and that's where
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this kind of empathy thing comes up right is because i don't value everybody else's decisions
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equally i think a lot of people make stupid decisions that i don't value i think that they
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have bullshit lifestyles that i don't value and so i just say okay this is valueless to me i don't care
01:46:40.600
about i don't even want to understand it right it's completely valueless and i don't see a problem with
01:46:45.840
that you see what i'm saying yeah no 100 i mean that's why you wouldn't work with every single
01:46:51.000
person whether that would be as a friend or a relationship it all varies from a person to
01:46:54.960
person and definitely i mean i'm sure we all have opinions about oh yeah this person is doing
01:47:01.220
something weird and i don't want to interact with that but i'm saying if you're already if we're
01:47:05.680
talking about relationships and you're already pursuing this person and if you guys are already
01:47:09.280
close you should make uh you should make like amends to try to work on each other together and
01:47:14.980
understand each other better because i think the healthy relationship it's always should be a balance of
01:47:18.860
emotions and logic yeah i mean maybe but then the thing is is i think that all relationships are
01:47:26.600
going to have dominance involved one person's always going to be dominant over the other person
01:47:30.860
no matter what type of relationship you ever engage in i think any two consciousnesses which come
01:47:35.920
together one is going to dominate the other one no matter what right and so the thing is is like
01:47:41.380
when you say to find this balance right i say that you should find the deference who's going to be
01:47:47.460
deferred to and who's not going to be deferred to when it comes to the larger decisions and that's
01:47:51.840
where the christian ethic comes in of submission from my worldview so i if there's dominance in a
01:47:58.340
connection there must be the opposing quality or energy which is giving that balance in this kind of why
01:48:04.520
must there sorry why must there in order for someone to be more dominant in a connection there must be
01:48:12.320
someone more submissive what's there what must there yeah i don't well i don't understand the the premise
01:48:23.360
here so in order for someone to be more dominant one person has to be more submissive is that what
01:48:28.280
you're saying yes okay gotcha all right go ahead so this kind of reminds me of the golden main this is a
01:48:36.140
philosophical i can't never pronounce that maybe by aristotle but it's all about there can never be
01:48:42.800
too much excess or deficiency so i do believe everything must be balanced in order to work and
01:48:48.560
in this case if we're talking about emotion and logic in order to be an impartial person you do have
01:48:54.680
to understand all sides and not just through logic but with your emotions as well in order to get to a
01:48:59.380
sound decision um well yeah maybe but i still don't really understand what where you're going with
01:49:07.680
it like even if i were to assume that you needed to have emotions and logic i think i would agree with
01:49:11.940
that but i'm not i'm not really sure what the uh what the point here is when we're talking about
01:49:16.740
uh two consciousnesses which would always one would always need to defer to the other like it's
01:49:31.420
well i'm just i'm just trying to figure out the position that's all i'm not beating you up i just
01:49:40.280
want to figure out the position like what what is it you're actually trying to say here
01:49:43.820
well just because you did mention that you don't find it important to have balance i was just providing
01:49:51.060
an example of why i do believe balance is important in all areas of your life well balance to me would
01:49:57.960
assume like i was trying to balance this pin that it was equal on all sides or otherwise it would fall
01:50:04.640
over but as was just demonstrated by the gal next to you and i'm sorry i didn't catch your name
01:50:10.140
because you came in a little late um but she said well when we're talking about balance what if you had
01:50:15.860
the pin still balanced but it was like this right what if it was over on its side like this it's still
01:50:20.420
balanced right it's just all moving one direction but when you say balance i'm not sure that i'm
01:50:25.980
looking for equality or equality between logic and emotion i we just want balance here right that's
01:50:33.160
what you're saying yes nope yeah so i mean if that's the case then i wouldn't disagree with that
01:50:39.840
i'm just saying that i think that the deference to logic is and reason is usually going to be
01:50:46.780
and that men are generally speaking more reasonable and more logical and so generally
01:50:56.260
speaking i think that women should probably defer to men that's that's based my basic syllogism
01:51:01.960
i'd say to each their own on that stance um yeah that's all i'm gonna say what does that mean though
01:51:10.000
each their own to each their own if you do feel that way then in your own stance and in your own way
01:51:17.440
of logically thinking then so be it if you're gonna if we're gonna talk about this in the sense of like
01:51:23.660
relationships and stuff like that um someone who probably feels the same way as you is going to
01:51:29.200
compliment to you compliment that in that way will create that ultimate balance in in your way
01:51:34.820
right well i mean there are people that want to be furries and they will find someone who wants to
01:51:44.160
do that with them but do you object to his i think andrew's getting to kind of at least to some degree
01:51:49.940
this concept of women being submissive to men do you object to this in a relationship dynamic
01:51:56.840
context um i would say like it definitely is a trope that is quite common what do you mean a
01:52:06.880
trope like it's a relationship type that men are more dominant than women it's very common i understand
01:52:13.000
that but there's also like uh relationship relationship types that i feel like the woman wears the pants
01:52:19.420
does this make sense there are some um stay-at-home dads for instance um and the mom would be the
01:52:26.040
provider well we can go ahead and grant that there's all kinds of relationship dynamics there's are there
01:52:32.060
are women who are more dominant there are women who want to date soy boys and peg them um i'm not really
01:52:37.800
interested in that though what i am interested in is kind of more uh painting with a bit more of a broad
01:52:44.680
brush and seeing what works best generally speaking when it comes to relationships what do men generally
01:52:51.960
want what do women generally want because we can make all these carve outs about well i have a friend
01:52:58.420
who knows a brother who knows a guy and she pegs him okay cool um but i think what andrew's talking about
01:53:07.060
is he's taking a position he's not just saying well whatever floats your boat he's saying i think
01:53:14.060
andrew you can correct me the best relationships they work out best if the woman is submissive to the
01:53:21.940
man is that correct andrew that is correct yes yeah i'm saying that that it would be generally what an
01:53:28.380
what i would consider to be optimal i think that the deference to the man is generally going to make
01:53:34.340
most relationships more optimal yes i mean i agree kind of my yeah sorry go ahead sorry um i agree that
01:53:43.540
it's generally true but like she mentioned there still are exceptions like i would consider myself
01:53:48.100
like i want to be a provider for example stop the cap you want to be a provider i do yeah for a man
01:53:55.560
yes who should um can you provide for dinner for the whatever podcast tonight oh that would be a good
01:54:02.100
way to make up for the tardiness yeah then you can be a provider i mean i want to be provider for my
01:54:08.340
guy oh okay well no well so brian i guess you have to be a provider for all the women tonight
01:54:14.180
yeah we are going to do a pizza intermission but um so you want to be a provider for your guy so like
01:54:21.280
you'll pay on the first date yeah or we can split it but i am i am in college right now so of course
01:54:27.020
i'm still working myself up but i'm saying in the future i want to be a lawyer and you know i want to
01:54:31.340
make a career for myself i don't ever see myself as being like a stay-at-home mom or like a housewife
01:54:36.400
and there's nothing wrong with whoever wants to do that but that's why i'm saying it varies from
01:54:40.280
person to person and so you want uh so in every instance when you've been on a date with a guy
01:54:47.760
perhaps for dinner or some activity you always off because men will have a tendency to go ahead and
01:54:56.800
just pay the whole thing you'll make the offer and insist on going half um i'll make an offer yes
01:55:03.600
i'm not going to insist if they really want to do that i mean like i said it's if they want to do
01:55:10.060
that gesture why would i reject it but i would be willing to do that gesture as well how many first
01:55:14.020
dates have you been on for like i don't know maybe like actual dates um first dates maybe seven eight i
01:55:22.760
don't know did you pay the whole bill on any of them yeah in two of those two of them and then the rest
01:55:29.060
were split that was like i don't i don't know the exact number but i think like majority was split
01:55:37.160
all right well you want to be a provider do you want to be a provider um
01:55:44.040
i think um i tend to be someone who pursues the guy oh yeah but i understand that some men really do
01:55:55.200
love the chase and want to have that sort of provider um mindset and so to go back on like
01:56:03.940
andrew's stance if a man being dominant is like the most optimal uh relationship and a woman being a
01:56:11.400
little bit of being submissive i'd say in some ways yes um women like they know deep down that they
01:56:20.560
could provide they could do all sorts of things they're like a triple decker um give men a chance
01:56:26.780
you know for them to like open the door for you or pay the bill let them do what makes them feel good
01:56:34.940
wait you said you chase men or what did you say exactly i don't want to pursue yes i do chase you're
01:56:39.740
the pursuer yes i'm the one that usually either initiates but there are have there were men in the
01:56:45.120
past that have um you initiate have initiated uh okay was receptive what about um can you how does
01:56:54.780
that look um let me see here okay so and i definitely i definitely learned from like my past relationships
01:57:02.240
where i'm like okay um maybe this is not the way to go right um man shows interest me thriving in that
01:57:13.080
sort of attention um is trying to pretty much commit or see and feel out how the relationship is going
01:57:21.120
to go if you open all of your gates you know open all of being super open letting the pretty much
01:57:28.060
being the provider um giving the guy everything that he wants um i feel like slowly over time he's
01:57:35.300
going to question like okay what can i even do for you like wait hold on so you said
01:57:41.700
i asked you how you chase and the first words out of your mouth were the guy shows it takes initiative
01:57:49.040
yeah for i would say like for some of the situations i've had but um the one time that i actually did
01:57:55.740
pursue or the several the one time you pursued a couple times a couple times i pursued i was like
01:58:00.840
okay um like i obviously show interest and um it'll take a couple of times for like the guy to like
01:58:09.000
uh pick it up because some men are oblivious um hold on i need details here so you say yes
01:58:16.400
you you show interest but the men are oblivious they're not picking it up um so what are these
01:58:22.880
signs that you're giving i'm obviously chatting them up i'm asking like what are you doing like after
01:58:28.100
this i'm just like obviously like staring at them smiling um just being actively engaged
01:58:34.140
uh making like side flirting comments here and there uh with my ex from like high school like
01:58:42.600
i did chat him up and i was like you know what if i really want to then i could get it so
01:58:50.020
uh we just started talking and i even knew like um that he had feelings so i took the initiative to
01:58:57.860
like ask him out or um like pretty much make it official so that was that was my sense of pursuit
01:59:05.500
wait that was the one time you pursued that was like with my committed and then i tried to like
01:59:11.400
um for this for with this one guy um but he was oblivious to it but then i realized i was like
01:59:17.380
i don't know maybe maybe not not this guy so i stopped pursuing
01:59:23.760
i'm just a bit confused because you say you chase but then i mean maybe these guys are just totally
01:59:35.100
clueless you say you're making multiple moves and they're not getting a hint but it's like
01:59:41.220
i don't know it's like you look at a guy and is that you pursuing him no obviously like you
01:59:49.380
like you want to like get to know the person so you're going to be like talking to them constantly
01:59:53.700
um and trying to get their attention from time to time um so yeah how many first dates would you
02:00:06.240
say like seven seven okay and then um in all seven of these cases did you make first contact with the
02:00:19.400
guy um i would say at least like two to three two three of them i have some of the guys are not
02:00:29.740
some of the guys are not as confrontational um to like make the move and so i would make the move
02:00:35.900
and i would pursue it but only for two or three of the guys you made the first step of initiative
02:00:43.520
that's when they become like the committed relationships that i've had in the past
02:00:48.280
except for that one dude that was like okay i'm not feeling it wait so a minority you said you like
02:00:54.100
to chase but a minority of the men you've been on dates with you okay um so you approach them how
02:01:00.200
are you meeting them in person so um the three was in high school so two of them were in high school
02:01:09.040
i would just see them in class every day just like it's next to them chat it up you know um that's
02:01:15.680
how i would pretty much like get a feel and decide whether i want to like you know be with that person
02:01:23.800
have you ever approached a guy a guy yeah like like a situation you've never you they're not in your
02:01:32.140
social uh circle they don't go to school with you or maybe they go to school with you but you don't
02:01:36.780
have a class with him or whatever you saw him in school thought he was good looking did you ever
02:01:40.480
walk up to him and introduce yourself i did yeah but this was like i never met him but like beforehand
02:01:52.540
it was just like during like a college um involvement fair thought the guy was kind of cute
02:01:59.640
um and i wanted him to join my club so we me and my friend like we went up to him but i was like
02:02:06.740
yeah like what's her name and then we just chatted up but like it was very brief because he was busy
02:02:11.560
of all of the seven first dates that you went on how often did you ask for the phone number
02:02:20.540
or the contact info oh that's a good question none of them um no i i would say
02:02:29.400
let me see let me think because it's been a long time like i'm not gonna learn like know this on the
02:02:35.080
top of my head you know it's been a long time since what like asking for numbers for a guy
02:02:42.180
usually because like for me um and i think like this is how i would approach like friendships too
02:02:50.680
is like i don't i don't think about like wanting to like um be with a guy right away you know if he's
02:02:57.860
cute he's cute but i usually want to be friends first with the person and if anything like ever
02:03:04.420
sparks then like of course i would take things a little bit further but here's the thing
02:03:13.620
oh i don't know what happened about that okay um okay and then phone number wise um i would say like
02:03:21.820
couple of times uh i can't really give you like a definitive number um just because it's been a
02:03:27.120
while so it's like a passive thing that i don't like actively remember like okay um did you ask
02:03:35.700
these can be yes or no answers by the way just letting you know i would say i'm like yeah there
02:03:42.880
were times where i would have to initiate like hey like let's go on a date or something no no no
02:03:46.700
first date first not a guy you've been dating for three months you yeah first date first date yes
02:03:55.260
you planned the first date yes did you pay for the first date in any instance no it was split split okay
02:04:10.700
okay all right um just girls will say they like to chase but then you question them a little bit
02:04:20.280
and they'll say well i looked at a guy once and i winked at or like i winked at him did you go up to him
02:04:26.880
no it's like okay bro you don't chase um but okay all right um let's see here hey we're gonna go to
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02:05:19.440
destroyer stifler's gone today ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten you can't
02:05:24.920
pick seven starting with you go ahead my looks or everyone you're you're yeah you're just your own
02:05:33.420
looks can you scoot into the table a little bit um i would so not seven probably eight
02:06:01.020
i'm a 10 for sure all right wait why are you laughing you don't think that that's an objective
02:06:10.240
assessment you don't think i'm a 10 that hurts my feelings no you're a 10 you're a 10
02:06:16.900
because they said i'm a 10 i mean you're laughing like it's not true you're laughing like i'm some
02:06:26.560
hmm uh follow-up question on this do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years
02:06:34.240
time better looking in 10 years time i would say yes okay so you're 20 now so better looking at 30
02:06:52.000
uh 40 years time at 60 yes well here let's keep the camera on her please
02:07:04.080
does it just keep going until you die yes you're just you're literally the hottest
02:07:19.360
the day before you die is what you're saying yes okay all right um
02:07:25.920
okay do you take any forms of psychotic medication anti-psychotic medication by chance
02:07:38.080
me yeah no nothing nothing for depression i don't take any of that no okay when you know 30 40 50 60 70
02:07:49.600
when is when's the peak my peak when's the peak gonna be
02:07:57.200
i feel like there is no peak i feel like it just keeps on getting better
02:08:01.840
interesting before i get into that i'll have everybody else on the panel answer this question
02:08:07.600
you're 39 will you be better looking in 10 years time no no okay and then you're 39 were you better
02:08:14.720
looking 10 years ago at 29 yeah better looking 20 years ago at 19 well
02:08:31.600
i mean yes probably from like the yeah from the outside uh attraction yes
02:08:36.320
can we close the door please um okay what about morgan 10 years yeah after that no okay what about
02:08:46.640
you 10 years yeah okay so you're 22 so uh better looking at 32 uh 20 years time better looking at 42
02:08:56.960
i'd say so yeah okay and then better looking at 52 30 years time mm-hmm okay let's go to 40 years better
02:09:07.120
looking at 62 i'd say i'd be okay yeah let me just repeat the question in case there's any confusion
02:09:17.600
the question is not will you still be attractive the question is will you be more attractive
02:09:24.320
in 10 years time or 20 30 40 years time so you just to be clear
02:09:31.360
a 62 year old version of you would out compete yourself for men
02:09:39.120
yeah depends on the situation but i think no then in that case like
02:09:43.040
i wouldn't be i wouldn't be more attractive i mean the way i'm kind of seeing things is like
02:09:50.080
i see how my parents are and they're they're pretty they look pretty good for their age
02:09:56.080
um sure yeah you can still be good looking when you're older
02:10:00.240
and so that's why i'm a 10 let me ask you this if we put you how's your mom she's 60 we put you and
02:10:11.040
your mom in a room with a hundred single men no let's just do a thousand single men between the
02:10:17.840
ages of 20 and 60 you think you're gonna have and you can't you don't get to talk to them they just
02:10:29.040
see you both and they have to pick which one they want to date which one they think is more attractive
02:10:36.320
do you win or does your mom win can i see my mom i think my mom um i think like i just erroneous
02:10:49.600
erroneous i would think my mom because she's beautiful um and you're not i think i am too
02:10:58.240
and that's why i feel like when i get to her age i definitely will follow too so okay all right so um
02:11:08.160
but yeah if the question is more attractive when you're 60 rather than 20 i feel like it's 20 that's
02:11:14.560
have you ever heard of a popular it's a very popular thing that the kids are all saying online
02:11:19.200
now it's called cope have you ever heard the word cope yeah you know and what does cope mean
02:11:24.800
to cope is to make do with um like the issues you have issues at hand and you try to either compensate
02:11:40.000
or make do with your unfortunate um i guess like with your like um qualities that like are unfortunate to
02:11:49.840
you and so um in a way to like distract yourself from experiencing the emotions that come with those
02:12:02.800
is it do you think that most people would think like i'm assuming your mom's probably 20 plus years
02:12:09.360
older than you i would guess mom's 60 yeah do you mom's 60 yeah you think you i just want to make sure
02:12:17.440
that we're clear you think that any random guy any i'm not even saying age group just any random guy
02:12:25.520
would rather date your 60 year old mother over you i just want to make sure that we're clear and you're
02:12:31.440
absolutely not coping here right no no so they would yeah i would say yeah and you're not full of
02:12:40.320
shit no and of course not trolling either right no no okay or am i i don't know are you or yeah or aren't you
02:12:59.280
but yeah i have to say out there my mom is beautiful so
02:13:02.800
yeah well i mean she must be because every man on planet earth would much rather have her
02:13:11.680
at 60 years old than you at uh let's see if i wrote your age down here um i didn't catch it
02:13:18.800
uh is it 22 no yeah that's not right what is your age is it 22 22 yeah so they would rather have 60
02:13:25.040
year old grandma of over 22 year old jack that's that's your actual stance if she could provide and she
02:13:30.800
got the looks i mean nobody cared men don't give a shit about women who can provide nobody literally
02:13:36.800
men don't care at all about women being providers they like them because they're hot they don't care
02:13:42.000
about that's the big attraction that they have to women you know what they don't care about i'm going
02:13:46.480
to tell you all the things they don't care about you ready they don't care how much money you have
02:13:49.440
they don't give a shit they don't care if you work at starbucks they don't give a shit they don't
02:13:52.560
care if you're a manager at a mcdonald's and they're a multi-millionaire they don't give a
02:13:55.840
shit they don't care that you're great at philosophizing they don't care if you're phenomenal
02:14:01.120
at logic and they don't care about any of that what they care about more than anything else
02:14:05.840
is that you're hot that's what they care about that's so here's the hierarchy of needs you ready
02:14:10.640
you're hot and then there you go there's your entire heart there's the hierarchy of needs for men
02:14:18.560
i just given it to you there right there in a silver platter gave you the secret to life for
02:14:24.000
men right it's simple so i just i just wanted to explain that to you that your six-year-old mother
02:14:30.400
the dating mark is likely not going to outperform you at 22 years old that's pure cope okay
02:14:39.760
i mean if there's an opportunity to tap then any man would take right
02:14:44.560
are you saying if there's an opportunity to smash your mom your mom i mean some guys would
02:14:53.040
i would say i'm not sure yeah yeah we would agree yeah but nobody would ever disagree that some guys
02:14:58.240
some 79 year old guy is going to tap your mom yeah i'm sure i'm sure he will i'm sure he'll get his
02:15:03.680
ass out of his bed and he'll go over with his walking cane and he'll really give it to her but the
02:15:09.200
thing is like what does it have to do with anything though walking cane
02:15:27.760
i give you gold i give you gold and this is what i get you know gold he still has a rotary telephone
02:15:33.680
all right i'm okay uh going to you irene uh better looking in 10 years time yes 20 years time
02:15:48.480
yes 20 years time probably not okay so better looking at 32 year old for the both of you
02:15:55.200
uh emma better looking in 10 not at 20 okay all right okay that was an interesting conversation
02:16:05.920
uh one quick follow-up i suppose so if i had a magic wand that i could wave for you two and you
02:16:15.840
magic wand that could age your outward physical appearance so you would still you know obviously
02:16:22.000
as you get older you get closer to you know mortality whatever it would just age you outwardly
02:16:27.680
so your your health is the exact same you're you'll live just as long as you would otherwise live
02:16:33.360
but we age you to 70 we age you to 70 and you just stay that way for the rest of your life you remain
02:16:43.760
as uh you know looking 70 for the whole your whole life
02:16:48.240
do you take it if we can wave a magic wand right now yeah bet oh my god you guys are
02:17:00.400
i mean you already dug the hole right i mean you can't i mean you just have to bite the bullet
02:17:06.640
it won't stop my game let's go let's go it won't stop your game no
02:17:11.520
they won't stop your game you know brian for situations like this you need to get one of those
02:17:18.640
aging apps for the computer and then age them forward and show them what they look like you
02:17:23.040
know what that is a good idea can wait i'm gonna have the discord i'm gonna have our discord team do
02:17:29.520
it so guys if you can i want you and you right now look into this i need you hold on hold on scoot into
02:17:36.720
the scoot this way because you're out of frame well scoot the chair lady scoot into the table so
02:17:42.880
you're in frame okay look into this camera right here okay so guys grab your screenshot look into
02:17:52.960
the camera keep looking look grab your screenshots look into the camera hello okay and now we're gonna
02:17:59.280
have somebody in the discord hopefully they'll do it put it put them through uh aging thing make them
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50 or 60. hang on that goes for the crucible too and then if you guys get to it first uh toss it in
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the whatever um toss it in the whatever discord yeah if you can put it in the uh those of you who
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are in the discord right now leave my research tab open you're gonna post it in the research tab okay
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uh so you can do that i'm gonna read a chat here uh let's see we have techno trooper panel it seems men
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are staying single longer and sometimes forever is romance declining in america and why what is the solution
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to this um is romance declining in america and why what is the solution to this do you guys okay
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going around the table do you think romance is declining
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um i would say it really depends on the person like there's a lot of people that are lucky out
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there to have like healthy and romantic relationships where like others maybe not and a solution to
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this would be hmm maybe people getting out of their shell and like talking to people and going on dates
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uh is it the client like romance like being romantic or a couple i'm not sure i is chivalry dead
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is that what it is okay uh and did women kill it
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i mean part of it yes i think so i think guys are kind of scared because women
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did become kind of rough up in quebec like women are rough men like it's it's almost like inversed
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the uh the worlds are reversed and like men don't really go towards women because women just kind of
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like they're off they're off canadian women i'm telling you uh-huh yeah they're tight it's tough
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out there the quebecois yeah it's uh with their but uh is it the poutine you think that's what did
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it to the women i don't think that's the poutine but poutine did some really good things though
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canadian bacon did some amazing things i think you think it's trudeau like his fault
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like trudeau is at fault for many but let's not yeah but yeah i don't even talk about this but
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okay yeah i think so yeah i think part of it is like the yeah is chivalry dead i think
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i could only like say it from a perspective i i feel like my scope of the dating life is probably
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pretty pretty i would say small um just because i've been in the same community for years but
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i'd say it's declining it's still here but there's not a lot of uh men that are doing like typical
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chivalry things so yeah it's at a decline the same community like the pokemon like collection
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like look i'm like i'm from oc so um you mean the place that's right next to la like the biggest
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metropolitan area in the country yeah yeah it's tough out there in the greater metro la area
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10 million plus people it's hard it's very secluded basically in the forest out there
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orange camp don't look at me that way you're in the forest you're in the sticks
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no oc suburban like it's like i know i'm being sarcastic oh okay yeah you're in the rural
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the rural parts of orange county yeah are there rural parts of orange counties where we're in the
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skies orange county is pretty uh isn't it pretty republican so you're a trump supporter right um
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um no i don't i don't want to disclose that because like again okay you can do it no i i don't
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i need to like like a bernie bro no because i feel like kanye no okay my bad go ahead no i just feel
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like i need to do more research on like stances before i even like say anything because yeah who
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are you voting for not disclosing all right okay all right uh is chivalry dead oh you mean so okay
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hang on i just want to just want to say you're voting for kamala harris
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i'm not gonna lie dude i think i might forget the date to vote because i tend to forget certain
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things awesome that's actually good i'm glad if it but if if you did know the day to vote
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you'd be voting for kamala right i don't know i really don't know if it happens it happens if it
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doesn't it doesn't she's gonna write in timothy chalamet for president wait he's british never
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mind and not 30 he's not he's from new york i thought he was born in england i'm i'm pretty
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sure he's british timothy chalamet i i don't think so well he's okay i don't whatever um okay uh what about
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you is chivalry dead well so the question that was asked are we like kind of grouping romance and chivalry
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like sure i guess i feel that romance is on a decline but with chivalry chivalry as well it is
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declining but it's almost it has potential to be revived it's still somewhere i think yeah i mean
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it's somewhere it is it's gone that's where it is that's the somewhere that it is is gone your
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your thoughts go ahead um yeah it's definitely declining both romance and chivalry um i blame
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social media for that and hookup culture and people feeling like they always need to put up a
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front i think there's um not a lot of authenticity left and sure that's a problem emma what about you
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i think it's very well alive okay all right uh okay i'm gonna get through some of my notes here irene
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you do the tarot cards thing you describe yourself as the goddess of peace
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so okay let me explain that so it's not like it's not like i'm being um narcissistic or whatever
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my i my name irene actually the definition of it is derived from the greek goddess of peace
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okay um and then on your tiktok you're a sagittarius gemini and a pisces like three
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or whatever so there's like um there's little symbols a lot of people kind of get confused
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i guess it's not that noticeable but it's saying i'm sagittarius sun gemini moon and pisces rising
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that's beautiful thank you i have no idea what that means i can explain that's um
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uh you were on uh fresh and fit yes we both you you were sitting right next to myron
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question very important question did you or did you not sniff his chair when he got up
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um i did not that's a lie just kidding okay um did you guys say anything on that wait wait
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what what what what what what what yes you did yes you did yes you did don't lie yes you did
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like after the cameras were off though like you wouldn't dare like let that
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that should be caught on camera i would never but like you definitely like you it's just between
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did it smell like the justin bieber fragrance or is it more like aqua digio
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did i say that right that giorgio armani the one it's very popular
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dolce and gabbana more like okay all right just checking okay well chat's saying you did
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the chat says you did okay well that's crazy it's you not it's it's unanimous between two chats that
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you did this uh did you guys get into uh any debates on that show did you guys have any back
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good back and forth suit you on that one or did you just sit there and like just there was a lot
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of chaos that kind of prevented us from yeah because a lot of people were getting really emotional and it
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was just you know hard to state opinions but i actually been on first one for three times three
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times yeah wow that's patrick okay cool good times good times um but that specific episode no
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i mean a little bit we got to um talk a lot about like femininity and masculinity and we already know
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myron's take on that so sure all right yeah okay uh let's see we'll get through the rest of the notes
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actually you know what before we get into the notes i have to bring it back to uh let's see
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i did have a question um what should men do when it comes to dating for example you might say men should
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pay for first dates men should open the car door men should bring you flowers whatever it is maybe you
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agree with that maybe you don't but uh what should men do when it comes to dating
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i would say they would have to plan dates i think that's really important plan dates plan dates um to be
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a provider um provider okay and also like show like effort effort okay effort and
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yeah that's pretty much it all right what about you can we open the door uh i don't have any what
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i don't have any uh shoulds per se like i think every couple creates like their own synergy but i
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think and not specific to men or you know i just think you need to have good communication you have
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to be able to i mean minimally manage your emotions and be able to know yourself and i think you should
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okay i guess that's a should but again for men and women you should find a way to be somewhat fulfilled
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with your life on an individual level before i'm saying more like gender yeah gender roles like i
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don't i don't know i don't feel entitled to anything particularly repeal the 19th amendment donated 200
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ladies you're so boring painfully boring justify your right to vote
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uh repeal the 19th uh well thank you for the tts
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um does anybody want to respond to that the right to vote
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i mean we're part of society or the accusations of being boring yeah i mean
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yeah we might be i don't know what do you want to say
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okay bro just come on like like come on here and then talk i'd love to see you talk
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if you happen to i mean i'm on here right now if you'd like to have that argument
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but but just so you know i have been instructed by the powers of be not to have that are so i'm not
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going to but i just want to let you know in any future date if you would like to have that argument
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i'm willing to have it all right well i guess back to the whole uh what what should men
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do when it comes to dating yeah like i said i don't know i have any specific shirts no
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i think like yeah all right what about you me uh what should men do when it comes to dating i think
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i kind of agree i agree with you on that in a sense just one point of clarification it's easier if you just
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just say your own position instead of saying you agree just my position is is um like before you
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get into relationship i feel like men should pretty much be secure with themselves first
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for even pursuing yeah but you can say this about women so i'm asking like what should men specifically do
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what should men be what should they do so be good communicators shouldn't women also be good
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good communicators well it seems like a lot of these things even in terms of like planning dates
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or even uh like giving gestures doing a lot of things could be things that both genders could do
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but men specifically i think they could be pretty good listeners um even if they're not going to
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fully understand like how a woman would think would feel just listening in is like pretty good so there's
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nothing exclusive in your view nothing exclusive that men should do when it comes to their gender
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expectations and dating protector provider lead they could protect they can but should they they should
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okay i mean you're if if i'm i'm your woman then like protect me i'm you're obviously probably going
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to be um at least at least like slightly bigger right um yeah to the size that you could protect i'm i'm
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very small petite so you want the guy who's would protect you or capable of protecting you yes okay
02:32:06.320
and men should do that they should protect their girlfriend do you think men have an equal
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expectation on women that the woman should protect them no okay so gendered expectation then what about you
02:32:20.400
i personally appreciate chivalry so like those little things like making sure
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the woman is on the inside when they're driving by like the cars and opening doors obviously and of
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course if the man did ask to ask or plan the date i would appreciate them to pay for the meal or the
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dates okay you know you said you want something that's you know not doesn't apply for both genders and i
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i can't think about it right now because i feel like the things that i wanted to mention like
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consistency and being a great communicator and just being straightforward about what you want i think
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anything for you emma i think they should wear the pants and lead okay all right um and then
02:33:10.960
let me ask you guys a question really quick here so would you find fault in a woman if a woman said
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men should do xyz should do xyz so woman says men should pay for first dates men should open car doors
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men should be willing to sacrifice themselves in some sort of self-defense situation they should take
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the bullet men should take the bullet would you object to if a woman said that would that be wrong
02:33:41.840
of her to say that that men should pay for first dates is that is that wrong that's not wrong at all
02:33:49.120
no no objections okay pen um men should be paying cooking cleaning taking care of kids
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uh yeah i get your little looks to the side oh i just said a little troll
02:34:15.280
you know i don't know brian i don't know if you can let them off the hook
02:34:18.240
trolling my skin from boredom donated two hundred dollars these girls have the personality of a sex doll
02:34:32.720
i mean it would be helpful with the flow of the conversation if you simply
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answered the question in good faith so i mean is that actually your position or are you just going
02:34:40.720
to cop to the troll i would say um women are allowed to say like all like for men to pay for dates and
02:34:50.320
stuff like that okay so are you walking back the men should cook and clean and take care of the household
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or no i was just kidding i was just kidding okay all right yeah they're allowed to want that anybody's
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that would love to want whatever they want so no quarrel no quarrel with men should do if that's what
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it's if they want that is that if that's the yeah if that's what they want and then they have they
02:35:18.880
create that relationship and they have they offer each other kind of that complementary thing like yeah
02:35:23.600
any issue with a woman saying men should do this men should pay for first dates is that wrong
02:35:28.800
um up to that i would say like if she wants it then she could have it that way but um same goes for men
02:35:39.840
too they men could be like men women should be submissive or women should be in this sense you could
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think however you want to think um it's based on like what you want so i'm not really going to like
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say no you can't have this techno trooper donated two hundred dollars ladies would your parents be
02:36:02.880
okay with you dating a guy that comes from a broken home i like boring it's peaceful uh techno trooper
02:36:10.560
thank you for the tts um just show of hands would your parents be would your parents be okay with you
02:36:16.240
dating a guy that comes from a broken home show of hands i mean okay all right there you have your
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answer thank you techno trooper for the tts um any objections to women saying men should do
02:36:30.560
men should pay for first dates i believe it's wrong under the circumstance that the woman who's stating
02:36:36.800
that is not offering anything to the table either well maybe she is then no i don't believe it's wrong
02:36:43.040
okay yeah if that works for both of them you know if it's communicated and this is their preferences
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and it works then yeah there's nothing wrong emma what about you uh no objection no okay and then
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then just my fault my one follow-up to this is is it wrong if a man says women should be submissive
02:37:01.360
women should stay at home and take care of the kids women should cook women should clean is that sexist
02:37:07.040
honestly i would prefer it that way i'll be able to cook and clean and then do everything i don't
02:37:14.240
think it's wrong but i always wonder what you mean exactly when you say submissive and i think a lot
02:37:18.400
of women have trouble with that word um i don't particularly but i never know what it means exactly
02:37:23.680
because i think sometimes women hear like you need to shut up and do nothing and have no opinion and
02:37:29.520
just say yes to everything wait luckily you're asking the exact right well okay go ahead brian so just
02:37:35.760
just i'll i'll let you get to that but i want to just get the panel's answer on that
02:37:39.680
so of the things i listed if a man says you should do all those things sexist um it's just a matter of
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preference i don't think it's like um innately wrong to have like a preference or to feel and think the
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way you feel um hopefully that person could find the person that agrees with those um with those thoughts
02:38:01.760
as well you should be a politician what about you no all right um that wouldn't be for me that person
02:38:11.040
but there's nothing wrong with that again it's all about preferences i think it's fair to say okay all
02:38:17.600
right uh andrew do you want to have the exchange about the uh being submissive thing yeah well i just
02:38:22.640
wanted to clarify what it means it just means uh you do what you're told
02:38:25.600
yeah that's what i mean no matter what well no i mean it has to it has to um sync up with reason
02:38:36.000
so you do what you're told within reason but um but the thing is is that you know quantifying reason
02:38:42.800
this is why this why when i talk about kind of whenever you have two two different consciousnesses
02:38:48.960
which come into contact ones basically necessarily always going to dominate the other um in this
02:38:55.760
case i do think that men do tend to dominate relationships and i even think that that's a
02:39:00.880
good thing i don't i don't not only do i not think that's a bad thing i think that that's how things ought
02:39:05.600
to be but you you don't want like negotiations like you don't think that they're you you don't want
02:39:12.320
do generals do generals want to negotiate with colonels i don't know but does that mean that
02:39:19.120
you want that in your relationship okay i mean the answer is no so like i think i think that if it
02:39:26.480
you can have tons of objections or needs or things that you want from a submissive role uh that you can
02:39:33.120
ask for and uh and get right um between between two different individuals this can be a business
02:39:41.520
relationship this can be anything uh not just a relationship you can have two people who are in
02:39:47.440
these roles and one who's in the submissive role can request things within the confines of reason and
02:39:52.880
usually those things will be granted the the thing that happens though is that inside relationships
02:39:58.000
eventually two people come to an impasse who do we defer to
02:40:04.000
well that's the thing i feel like there is so let's say you have a you have a discussion then
02:40:08.400
it's like for me it's like the best idea should win but who gets to make the determination as to
02:40:14.240
what the best idea is well what happens what happens when you have an impasse and and it's kind of very
02:40:20.640
pretentious in fact when people say oh i want a person who we're never going to have an impasse or
02:40:26.560
we're never going to have a i think this is the way and he thinks this is the way or vice versa
02:40:32.480
that's every relationship that you're ever going to be in there's going to be an impasse which comes up
02:40:36.800
the question is who gets deferred to so you think everything is within the confines of what should
02:40:42.800
be and so does he right who who gets deferred to yeah i think when you say when you say well
02:40:49.760
those with the best idea yeah it's like well who gets to determine that well that's always in the
02:40:54.800
discussion i think like if you have a discussion with someone then you both are like the discussion
02:40:59.040
you think you're right and he thinks he's right yeah well then you yeah you i don't i don't think
02:41:07.120
because you're the man you it yeah no i don't believe that because you're the man you automatically have
02:41:12.000
the best idea or the best well somebody's got to be the tiebreaker especially when there's kids
02:41:16.880
involved right somebody has to be the tiebreaker especially when there's kids involved you can't be
02:41:21.680
at a perpetual impasse when it comes to your children's welfare for instance right somebody has to be
02:41:26.720
deferred to so the the question is who gets deferred to this is the great this is the great question
02:41:33.680
by the way of the 21st century and this is the question feminism cannot answer we must have children
02:41:40.640
and in order to have children we're going to have to have men and women sleeping together
02:41:44.480
and in order to have good results with those children usually those couples need to stay together
02:41:49.520
long term right or you're probably going to have bad results with the children every study
02:41:54.240
on planet earth confirms this so what happens when we're inside of these relationships and feminism
02:41:59.440
has taught you to be a strong empowered awesome epic woman boss babe in tight leather who can take down
02:42:05.120
300 pound men with machine guns with nothing more than your 120 pound in jitsu and uh you end up in an
02:42:13.920
impasse right you end up in an impasse with your husband now this used to be codified into law
02:42:18.960
and so the codification the law was well there's an impasse you're going to have to defer to the
02:42:23.840
husband and now that's no longer law and so now we end up in these well we can't make the decision
02:42:30.960
because neither party will back down so so how do we solve that is kind of the great question in modernity
02:42:37.280
yeah i mean i i just feel like two grown-ups will naturally figure it out together not just because
02:42:50.160
you choose you know i don't think it goes that way i think naturally like
02:42:54.080
they they're both people you come up when you will come up with like two people can't decide on gun
02:42:59.280
control no but like you can decide on where they want to go eat together they can't decide the whole
02:43:04.160
country's polarized 50 50 on abortion like we can't agree on basic things you think inside of
02:43:09.760
relationships though somehow it's going to just naturally occur like it isn't that kind of pie in
02:43:15.520
the sky uh you know kind of silly thing in a way no i think sometimes like uh because you you trust your
02:43:22.240
partner and you're like you know what okay we're going to try your way and then another impasse is
02:43:26.320
going to be okay it's going to try we're going to try the other way like it's oh wait wait hang on
02:43:31.920
that requires a concession that requires a concession we'll try it yeah but i think the
02:43:35.440
concession is sometimes going to be from the woman sometimes the concession is going to be from the
02:43:38.560
men like you know okay but here's the thing right yeah so it used to be codified into law that when
02:43:44.720
there was an impasse it deferred to the man it's no longer codified into the law anymore that it's
02:43:50.960
deferred to to the man you would agree with me that's true right yeah yeah and so when we have
02:43:55.920
these great impasses what happens when neither party backs down well i just think at some point
02:44:02.480
one party will back down it just naturally happens no like they don't see nothing but people divorce
02:44:07.680
rates are sky high yeah right out of wet out of wedlock uh relationships are sky high not people don't
02:44:14.800
even want to take the risk because of this idea that one party's not going to back down inside of
02:44:19.360
religious cultures of course there's a deference to the man and you tend to see the more religious a
02:44:25.040
person is the less they get divorced isn't that interesting because there's there's this tiebreaker
02:44:30.560
right there's this when we hit this impasse we now have somebody who's deferred to and both people
02:44:36.640
from the religious perspective agree that that deference is going to go towards the man but where
02:44:42.480
feminism's one of their greatest failures has come in is inside of relationships if we're both equal
02:44:48.880
who gets to be the decider when we have a situation where we can't decide but i think it
02:44:55.840
changes that's what i mean i think like it's it's if you can't figure it out together and if you don't
02:45:01.520
it it doesn't go one way or the other like sometimes one way sometimes the other way then
02:45:07.280
yeah maybe you're just incompatible and you shouldn't be together yeah i'd see that so so i'm
02:45:11.760
going to reject a couple things here outright you're not incompatible with somebody because you can't agree on
02:45:16.640
an issue and neither one of you will back down that actually does not assume that you're incompatible
02:45:22.080
with each other that could have issues of pride together it could be all sorts of issues um which
02:45:28.800
are inside of that relationship that actually have nothing to do with the fact that one of you is actually
02:45:33.680
right one of you is wrong but if you would agree and maybe you don't but if you did agree that we
02:45:40.720
should defer to kind of reason logic first i would think that most people would agree the sex that
02:45:46.560
has that mostly dominated is men not that there's not irrational men there are or overly emotional
02:45:52.000
men of course there are but generally speaking i would say that they're much more rational logical
02:45:56.640
that women are why shouldn't you defer to men like what what does that cost women exactly in a
02:46:02.560
relationship to just back down on their pride and defer to the man what does that really cost well i just
02:46:09.680
can't assume that because you're a dude you will have the best idea and the so you know what i mean
02:46:16.400
i just i don't see how you can't assume that because of gender you like yeah so then you you are agreeing
02:46:21.600
that you make bad choices when it comes to picking men everybody makes oh what me personally if i make
02:46:28.000
that well i mean not you personally i'm just saying women then women would have to concede that they're making
02:46:33.120
bad choices when it comes to picking men oh yeah 100 if if if that is the case that when they pick the
02:46:39.200
man somehow they can't defer to his leadership yeah and they have to defer to their own it seems like
02:46:45.520
they're picking very bad men right yeah and i think the opposite happens too i think some men pick really
02:46:52.480
bad women too but yes well i think that i well i would i would say it's an it's necessarily a trait that if
02:46:59.360
you have a woman who refuses to submit to your leadership she's a bad woman no matter what i would
02:47:05.040
say that that's always bad that she's always doing the wrong thing in that case as long as what you're
02:47:10.320
asking her to do comports with reason i i have no idea what the objection would ever be you're making
02:47:16.960
a bit of a face it looks like maybe you disagree with andrew do you in some aspects i do disagree
02:47:23.120
on certain things for instance um let me see here like um i i don't think that just because you're a
02:47:34.800
dude um like we would have like we would have to submit to pretty much your decisions um you have
02:47:43.280
to know no we don't and i know what i know you do so listen i'm gonna i want to explain a concept to
02:47:49.360
you real quick and then you can respond yeah do you know what force what force doctrine is do you
02:47:54.720
understand what that means say one more time force doctrine no well the idea here is essentially that
02:48:03.280
all rights which are granted on planet earth are granted by men and the way that we know that all
02:48:10.400
rights are granted by men is because we can look not only at the historic standard but currently right
02:48:15.760
now in modern year and we can see that every nation on planet earth if the men decide that
02:48:22.240
women have no rights they don't have any and the men do and so essentially what happens is women are
02:48:30.880
living based around the benevolence of men who can at any time of their choosing snatch their rights
02:48:38.560
away and there is zero recourse that women have for this and so i wanted to explain this to you
02:48:47.680
as we go through kind of um the what i'm going to consider to be a a preamble for your feminist
02:48:54.880
monologue about how wait a second we're equal that's an illusion there is no equality and there's
02:49:01.520
never been equality at any time any time and this is the standard globally men can take the rights
02:49:09.920
away from women and women can't do anything about it but the opposite is not true andrew can you do uh
02:49:17.520
can you um specify that you're making a a what is i'm not saying it should be that way he's not
02:49:25.040
trying to understand that i'm not saying we should do that i'm just expressing to you the concept
02:49:31.680
that this is the way things actually are and i can point to you uh dozens upon dozens of nations where
02:49:39.360
that is the case right now not that it should be that way but that it is it is the case that women get
02:49:47.440
their rights from men otherwise i don't understand where else they would get them from because a right
02:49:53.040
to me is just something which can be enforced right
02:50:02.320
well there was no questions well no i was i was actually um going to let her dive into what
02:50:08.960
she was going to say i just wanted to give her the preamble so that she understood she understood my
02:50:13.520
worldview she understood what i was where i was coming from yeah i do see where you're coming from
02:50:18.480
um and i feel like um or i know like the women's march and just like instances where i feel like
02:50:28.080
women have tried to or like fought for their rights with what foul with what it is a matter of when they
02:50:38.080
fight with bad language oh please oh we want our rights i mean honestly what do you think women
02:50:46.080
fought with what do you think they fought with do you think they went and like took their broom handles
02:50:50.160
and went beat the men over the head with them they whined in the streets they didn't fight they
02:50:54.160
didn't there was no fighting they didn't fight for nothing the act i mean that's the truth right
02:51:01.440
the act of the march is to pretty much promote like the rights of women and i feel like in order for
02:51:09.040
that to push forward it was through the recognition of men that also um have supported those rights as
02:51:17.920
well and it was a joint effort it's not just simply oh no i agree with that i agree that's a joint effort
02:51:26.160
that's why that's actually to my point but what happens if men decide it's no longer a joint effort
02:51:32.000
and they decide tomorrow ah men you know what women don't have any rights what happens to women's rights
02:51:38.320
then i guess we'll like what let's say a million women were marching in the streets for the rights and
02:51:47.520
men went no you get nothing what would what could women actually do about that
02:51:58.160
good question that is a good question i feel like um in that sense we'll never truly never
02:52:05.280
know unless it actually happens right oh no no it actually has happened more times than you can count
02:52:10.560
and it's happening right this second in dozens of countries where men say okay all you women your
02:52:17.120
second-class citizens and you can't do and you know what they do nothing they can't do anything
02:52:21.600
about it it is hard to seek asylum in like different countries um i feel and it takes yeah but what what
02:52:30.640
what if the globe did it what if the what if the men of the globe just went nah women second-class
02:52:36.080
citizens men decided that women could never make such a decision if women collectively tomorrow said all
02:52:42.160
men are second-class citizens we would laugh they could never enforce it in a million how how would
02:52:48.160
they ever enforce that they couldn't do it only men can do that right
02:53:00.400
that is a good food for thought i suppose yeah yeah well so so this is the thing right is um
02:53:06.800
what i say what i'm doing is i'm taking the macro like the the big picture and i'm looking at it
02:53:12.960
through the idea of force and then i put it into the micro too and so i think in the micro men are
02:53:18.640
expected to protect their women to protect their household and lay down their lives before their
02:53:23.760
women are expected to lay down their lives so on the micro they're expected to grant women's rights
02:53:28.880
and protect them and on the macro they're expected to do the same but i think that it's always been the
02:53:34.160
expectation that women defer to men because of that sacrifice that's what i think feminism has destroyed
02:53:50.480
that's all that's all i'm saying one sec i'm trying to arrange a little a little pizza here
02:53:56.800
getting a little getting a little pizza going uh over over rachel we were we were having a nice
02:54:02.000
little discussion there uh what are your thoughts there yeah i'm forest i know i understand what
02:54:06.960
you mean like i i get it and i also agree what you just said because i mean it's it's not even
02:54:12.880
agree disagree it's it is it's just the case it's just the case i mean unless you think about like
02:54:19.280
a super um sneaky organization of women getting guns and and even then like i wouldn't know because
02:54:25.680
then the army is full of you know what i mean if i don't know we went there yeah men are always in
02:54:30.080
the key position yeah you know like no matter what let's see how i mean that what kind of organization
02:54:35.920
but um so i get it but still still under no but it's still under relationship level even though i
02:54:46.240
understand the car but i still have an objective but i still know yeah because i still feel like i
02:55:00.640
it's like i wouldn't i wouldn't like um submit to his final decision necessarily because he's just a
02:55:06.400
man but because i trust him and i'd be like okay like you we're not going my way like he's not you
02:55:14.160
know i would probably that yeah i would be like because i trust him and then i would be let's let's do that
02:55:20.000
and then we see that it's not the right thing to do then we i don't know we can have another
02:55:23.360
discussion like like later you know heard this uh many many times i think it's a good it's a good
02:55:28.080
point to say i want to be able to trust the person i'm submitting to of course right yeah but i want
02:55:33.280
you to think about this right the situation basically every man you're ever going to be with pound for
02:55:39.840
pound might as well be a gorilla at any given time if they so chose they could literally rip you to
02:55:47.680
pieces if they wanted to and they don't they don't they could but they don't doesn't why doesn't that
02:55:55.520
ever like kind of make women trust men a little bit more that the fact of the matter is is that
02:56:02.480
they really could do that and they just don't do that but i mean the physical the fact that the man
02:56:08.880
is stronger physically does like doesn't change the fact that if i realize you're very messed up in
02:56:14.960
your head and you are irrational and stupid and you are like your decision or whatever you want
02:56:22.320
in the animal kingdom do women get a choice only in this one but yeah because
02:56:26.960
many different humans are different reason what's that well humans are different than the animal
02:56:32.560
kingdom well we're animals yes but we have we have consciousness and that that changes everything
02:56:38.400
well we just have the ability to use reason right and animals don't have that ability yeah and so
02:56:44.880
through pure reason which is a thing which by the way is pioneered by males exclusively almost
02:56:51.600
right there's almost no great philosophers who are females and it's not because they were barred from
02:56:56.480
it it's just because they just weren't interested in it a different different interest in what it is
02:57:01.360
that they wanted to do um though there were a few there were a few good philosophers who were women
02:57:06.480
especially there's some saints i could point to who were pretty good at it too um but it's through
02:57:12.880
reason alone that men have pioneered this idea of rights protections for women and things like this
02:57:19.200
but they never actually had to do it right they never donated two hundred dollars i appreciate that
02:57:26.080
these ladies seem to be open-minded about what andrew is saying it's hard to argue with but some do anyway
02:57:33.200
but don't be mistaken ladies men very much appreciate you yeah well i mean that's the thing
02:57:39.120
right it's um it's not an attack on women to try to get them to to understand um the bigger picture
02:57:45.520
imagine you're inside of a society where everything is essentially built for you everything is built for
02:57:51.200
you everything is built and tailored around the comfort of the people who are in that society all the
02:57:56.480
wires and all the wiring and all the electricity and all the tape everything that you enjoy essentially is
02:58:01.760
built underneath the guise of patriarchy with the illusion a female illusion of equality and that
02:58:09.520
equality doesn't really exist it's never really existed and uh the thing is is that that's a great
02:58:15.840
gift of benevolence that men give to women and women just kind of sneer at it and it's always been
02:58:22.480
bizarre to me because it's so obvious to any man who looks at it well if they wanted to if we decided
02:58:29.040
tomorrow to be lions right um women are going to do what they and the reason we can demonstrate that
02:58:36.080
that's true is because we can look at the entire world other than the west and see that that is the
02:58:41.040
case almost everywhere but here mm-hmm i do have an update we we got the old photos um
02:58:50.080
yo craze thanks for the gift for the gifted 20 subs man so we have uh old photos for her we got a lot
02:59:00.080
got a lot it would have been good if we did like a side-by-side i should have specified like do side-by-side
02:59:05.360
comparison like but whatever um let's pull them up let's see what we have here so
02:59:26.880
oh wait oh i thought there was did we delete it look better oh maybe it's on the video tab
02:59:36.080
look better okay all right let's just here let's just x out of it um is that that's you
02:59:44.080
so fun that's her all right scroll down i look like i can make good porridge
02:59:51.360
all right that's like you're pretty good hang on hang on hang on hang on pull that last one up brian
02:59:56.160
pull that last one up okay is this um is this rachel it's that's me oh wait i think that's me that
03:00:04.400
look oh but she didn't i know i wasn't part of this yeah she's not god oh my god but she looks
03:00:09.840
better than the other one did at 60. wait wait go back go back let's okay let's just get through
03:00:14.720
quick if we can uh wait oh my god they gave her a mustache what the it looks like they gave her
03:00:22.800
like a like an old mustache damn wait look at look look into this camera look into this camera
03:00:35.040
wait go oh the one below is like better looking better looking bro tell us the lie
03:00:42.320
troll we're not they were not answering the question that was that's an obvious one though
03:00:45.680
you know all right let's keep going yeah there was that oh my gosh oh come on that's good
03:00:54.800
that's a banger that's actually the geriatrics and the walkers you're gonna be able to get enough of
03:00:59.200
you the 20 year olds be lining up at the door too though right 100 yeah yeah 100 ridiculous
03:01:13.920
oh my god that was that's good hey put it back it was too good
03:01:20.080
damn it's a little cute i'd hit i mean i mean you would emma would hit yeah all right next
03:01:25.040
oh that's funny oh that's funny uh let's see here we got well who got andrew at 60 that we got
03:01:43.680
andrew at 60. oh oh i like this the the the this is actually really good oh so much better
03:01:51.520
this is so good like well no honestly whoever edit that like that's pretty good i'm very impressed
03:01:58.800
yeah it's uh all right what do we got this is thank you for the before and after by the way damn
03:02:10.000
all of a sudden 60 she got the lazy eye you know she'd be looking in two different directions
03:02:16.160
well things start moving you know yeah you know one
03:02:22.480
um wow okay can we get can we get a show of hands of of those of you who said that you would be hotter
03:02:28.480
as you get older uh would you revise your answer now show of hands if you would revise your answer
03:02:35.600
they're committed i don't know dude um like i could make some really good pho
03:02:43.360
right yes she would make really good i would make really good pho bruh yeah
03:02:58.640
now i just want to make sure that we got this answer though correct uh brian did ask you both
03:03:05.520
if you could be cosmetically altered so that you looked like that right this second but it took no
03:03:12.160
time off your life you both said that you would and you still would commit to that because if that is
03:03:17.040
the case right the crucible will in fact raise the cash to have you surgically altered to look like
03:03:23.920
that i promise we will do that so go ahead i will chip in if you're willing to do that and
03:03:29.440
the whatever podcast is going to chip in if you would be surgically altered to look like your 70
03:03:33.680
year old self go ahead and raise your hand i love this idea andrew i will equally contribute anyone
03:03:40.080
brian will equally contribute we will make sure that you are surgically altered to look like your 70
03:03:45.040
year old self raise your hand if you want us to do that also andrew if i can just i think to
03:03:50.320
sweeten up the deal we're not going to send you to turkey we're going to send you we're going to
03:03:54.880
keep you local we're going to get you the best plastic surgeon that plastic hollywood hollywood
03:04:00.880
plastic surgeon if you prefer south korea they're pretty good we can in fact i have a couple of
03:04:05.360
millionaire chatters who are like consider it done we'll just take care of it right this second
03:04:09.760
you're willing to take the commitment all the way to yes i would be hotter at 70 and it won't shave a
03:04:16.960
day off my life and it won't go ahead and tell us and we'll take care of that raise of hands if
03:04:22.160
you're going to do that see yeah i would i would okay all right are you doing like that's a legally
03:04:29.600
binding contract by the way so we will sue you if you don't do it just saying um draft up uh
03:04:37.520
drafted up boys drafted up such a liar too like why just keep with the cope with the live
03:04:42.720
right like he got caught you know you're trolling you know you're lying through your teeth you're not
03:04:48.240
going to do the surgery to look like that lady come on unreal but i'm i'm just saying what's that
03:04:56.080
word cope mean what's that you're just saying what i'll let time do its thing oh okay okay yeah
03:05:02.560
that makes sense yeah i just personally would not wait andrew i have a simpler idea no hold on i think
03:05:08.240
the plastic because the women when it comes to this plastic surgery thing will argue well hold on
03:05:13.280
when it comes to plastic surgery there's a risk to your health anytime you go under anesthesia
03:05:18.400
hollywood has makeup that without the use of plastic surgery that's very convincing so how about for
03:05:29.920
how do we do this we will fund their makeup expenses and for the the next 10 years we will
03:05:36.000
provide them for makeup provide you for the makeup one year we'll just do it for one year we'll provide
03:05:41.440
the cost every single day the makeup artist will come in and get you all dialed up as your 70 year
03:05:46.240
old self and you can go out to nightclubs and you can you get man you can do it up granny yeah maybe
03:05:53.600
wait we could get a prosthetic one of those prosthetic faces like the face mask they're very convincing
03:05:58.560
so you don't have to pay a dime not a dime spend it not a dime no surgery no surgery we'll take care of
03:06:07.280
it all right we'll talk after the show yeah we'll get it set up yeah by the way i just want to let you
03:06:13.760
know though the um that there has been a social experiment where this was done and the woman did
03:06:20.400
sadly uh take her own take her own life after just six months of this experiment another experiment was
03:06:27.920
done where a woman dressed as a man and sadly that woman also took her life after a very short
03:06:33.200
amount of time uh so i did i did want to let you know about the risk but don't worry it's not going
03:06:37.360
to take a single day off your life and you're going to be way hotter right oh andrew are you talking
03:06:41.440
about nora vincent i think that's yeah yeah well that's the second example the second example yeah yeah
03:06:46.400
yeah i look you guys gotta put your put your money where your mouth is gotta do it you gotta do it
03:06:54.720
you gotta do it you don't do it in fact i feel like the entire internet will help contribute to
03:07:00.880
that just to watch what happens we need after a week when you're on your knees crying and go my god
03:07:06.640
i can't believe how awful this is i think they will we got to do this experiment we got to do it
03:07:12.320
and if these two girls if they back out because they're scared no offense yeah this is open not
03:07:18.320
just to you we'll do it to for somebody else we'll do it we'll do it we'll do it we'll do it
03:07:30.640
by the way uh over to the whatever chat can you put a one in the chat if any of these women looked
03:07:38.960
better at 60 and a two in the chat if they didn't and then brian if you don't mind bringing up the chat
03:07:45.840
so that these delusional bimbos can see for themselves uh i would appreciate it
03:08:02.320
yeah that's a lot of twos man oh wait also chat i think that's a really good do you guys want to see
03:08:10.240
us do that every show we can do that every single show so those of you in the discord that's going to
03:08:16.640
be our new thing we're going to do it every single show do if you guys do do it though do like the
03:08:21.760
before and after like the pre can you put by the way did any more submissions it was that was the last
03:08:29.120
one okay all right we'll do that i think it's a good segment we'll add to it i do have a going back to
03:08:36.560
the being submissive conversation i want to show bow video version one before i show bow video version
03:08:44.720
two and i want you guys to react to this go ahead if you can pull up version one
03:08:56.240
oh boom yep i kind of missed it was it did it did we miss it no boom huge bow
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wow huge bow i this is my this is actually my ex-girlfriend we broke up unfortunately she was
03:09:11.840
she wasn't doing enough for me so i had very high standards like so yeah this is my ex-girlfriend
03:09:17.920
this is at my um my apartment and she's doing good i mean she wasn't perfect but you know she tried her best
03:09:25.520
i like i'm a fan of noodles so could you close the door um so one more time just so the bow really
03:09:36.320
quick the bow just did it boom huge bow okay would you bow for your for your man i would because
03:09:47.280
i feel like in asian culture it's just a respectful thing okay all right would you do it um if that
03:09:53.360
i guess if that was my culture but no all right would you would you do a bow for your boyfriend or
03:10:01.520
whatever i'm asian and i would not i would not bow for my boyfriend but may i you would not but if it's
03:10:08.960
like yeah like but like again um it's not something that i would have to do in my culture to bow to like
03:10:17.840
my significant other that would be for my elders no but he asked for it you wouldn't do it okay you
03:10:24.480
had something because yeah bowing is up but i love welcoming my boyfriend like because i get excited
03:10:30.400
for him to come home and i would like so bowing just feels weird but i would be like i often like just
03:10:35.280
jump on i don't know just so you would do it him you would do it you'd have the bow i wouldn't do
03:10:41.440
the bow but that would be my bow i would say like because to me that's like the welcoming thing oh he
03:10:47.520
asks you about i don't know that's fucking weird if it's not our culture that's kind of weird i don't
03:10:52.400
think that i mean i think it would be a joke he's a fucking ginger he's a ginger and he wants you to hit
03:10:58.960
the bow i mean that's a very early unrealistic um what do you mean because he's a ginger what's wrong
03:11:06.400
hold on they fucking bow scottish oh i mean i i see this just as a sarcastic thing then like i
03:11:14.400
probably would do it because i think okay would you mind would you mind if i just gave you briefly
03:11:17.920
a bit of pushback wait wait really quick before the pushback let me just get the answers from the
03:11:22.640
girls uh would you would you bow for your man no no way really quick why i i feel like it has to be
03:11:31.680
equally yoked in a relationship and the bow i i feel it's almost giving them more respect than
03:11:38.880
they give me in return wait remind me did you say you want a man to pay for the first date
03:11:46.320
if he does initiate the plans yes do you initiate plans no oh you're not equally yoked then are you but
03:11:52.480
i'm actually more comfortable in my submissive energy i don't initiate plans wait so you're more
03:11:58.160
comfortable in your submissive energy then why wouldn't you bow yeah yeah your dominant boyfriend
03:12:03.360
says i want you to bow every single time i come through the door so for me submissiveness is very
03:12:09.920
different from what traditional yeah because submissiveness to you means equality right so i feel
03:12:16.880
that everyone contributes different things and for me i would want a more assertive dominant boyfriend
03:12:25.520
um and by that i mean someone who's more decisive who's willing to take the lead when it comes to
03:12:30.960
logical things yeah let's get to the butt let's get to the butt but no i i just but bowing to your
03:12:38.960
significant other is not what's culturally acceptable it's not what why do you defer to
03:12:47.040
think culturally acceptable first of all inside of the united states is culturally acceptable for
03:12:52.880
a woman to shove a pineapple up her vagina on a screen for money what and you're worried about the
03:12:59.280
cultural acceptability of a fucking bow can you square that for me real quick i just thought this was
03:13:06.320
in relation to culture um however i just feel that that's not something that i'm comfortable with
03:13:12.640
doing because i'm used to greeting my elders with bows but not my significant partner yeah okay so this
03:13:19.280
doesn't really answer to the question that i asked you you said that it's not culturally acceptable but it
03:13:24.800
is culturally acceptable first and foremost is nothing culturally prohibiting anybody from bowing in the united
03:13:30.400
states and uh bows have been something which has been done in deference since early colonial times in
03:13:36.560
fact now uh right now in modernity there's nothing i can think of which isn't culturally acceptable it's
03:13:43.840
culturally acceptable for men to put on strap-ons and walk down the streets during certain parades
03:13:48.880
and yet somehow this the idea that culture somehow is the prohibition that's insane to me what is not
03:13:56.320
permitted here in fact i can't even think of one thing that every perversion i can think of is permitted
03:14:02.960
how could that be a barrier for entry to you bowing so when i said culturally acceptable i did misspeak
03:14:12.800
because i was going to get at the point that as someone who is asian i do it's a part of my culture
03:14:20.080
for us to bow to elders and in relation to that i'm more used to how it's done culturally and
03:14:28.960
i just do not see how it's related to like relationships and i don't think i owe them
03:14:35.440
that bow even if they were to ask that wait may i or sorry go ahead andrew if you want to continue
03:14:40.800
no no you you can jump in oh okay um question do you want to get married one day i do okay um do you
03:14:47.200
have any expectations on you know your boyfriend or whatever at the time you want him to get your
03:14:53.360
ring i'm assuming how much should he spend on the ring it doesn't matter for me you'll you're fine
03:14:59.200
with a cubic zirconia from amazon sure okay um do you want him when he proposes would you have an
03:15:08.880
expectation that he get down on one knee to do it yes because i do like some traditional values uh wait
03:15:15.920
so hold on you want a man by the way i think getting down on one knee is way more of a
03:15:22.000
bitch move than staying staying standing and just going like this first off if the guy's got bad knees
03:15:28.640
that's a big fucking ask but you want a guy to kneel for you get down look up at you like a little
03:15:35.680
bitch here's three thousand dollars here i got a fucking right here um please please will you marry
03:15:47.120
me fuck that i still think i still think it's way better to just bring up the example that
03:15:52.640
most women will get on their knees and allow a dude to jizz on their face that was gonna be
03:15:56.320
that seems wait yes that's way more that's not most wait and do it than a fucking bow i'm just
03:16:01.680
saying like that's way more degrading than a fucking bow what do you want me to say andrew that i was
03:16:07.600
i was just getting to that so have you ever given have you ever asked the d
03:16:16.160
have you ever asked the d don't feel like i want to share those okay she says oh my god heaven forbid a
03:16:22.320
woman gives a blow job in 2024 oh my god a blow what 1800s oh no okay
03:16:33.600
fine you don't do it but the same woman the same woman that says i would never bow for a man
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will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him that's a fact
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that's what i'm talking about that's why he's giving me that's why he's the goat
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it's also coming from what is the intention behind him wanting me to bow to greet him every day what
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is the intention of him wanting you to insert his phallus into your mouth and then expel some
03:17:19.760
fucking jizz bro bro it's crazy to me bro these girls will suck a dick they don't want to hit a
03:17:29.280
well i mean you're talking to her she she's not that and you're talking about i don't think it's
03:17:40.880
most women anyways wait she you're you're saying she she hasn't no but like she doesn't necessarily
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you said like within half an hour you would just like go with the guy and like as the d but then
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wouldn't want to bow she did that yeah but i'm saying like some girl you ever had one night stands
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oh my gosh i would say do do do do sorry how many do do do like so how quick like and how quick
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i just don't see how those are they correlate to me because sexual the sexualness of everything
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doesn't correlate to what i find respectful because i don't think that having sexual relationships
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with someone equates like what your values should be in a relationship i think you're allowed to have
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i just don't understand like there's so there's this objection to well i would well i get it though
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brian okay i understand look you're totally right it's perfectly acceptable for you to have nuanced needs
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inside of a relationship i can totally understand my logical reasonable brain that you could enter into
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a one-night stand with a guy a little blast a little over your face but not want to bow to the man of
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your dreams right i mean what man wouldn't want that out of his woman honestly
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i mean i don't even know what you're arguing with here brian she's absolutely right
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goat donated two hundred dollars she's gonna swallow but ain't gonna bow how
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do you like my new ones thank you goat i a pre goat emojis in the chat for goat thank you man
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appreciate the tts i look i just don't get it like you'll do all this for a guy and maybe it's quirky
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maybe it's unorthodox maybe it's a little out there but if you like this guy and he's got this
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like quirk or whatever and he's like hey i want i want to see you hit the i want to see you hit the bow
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when when you greet me you don't even have to do that in public because that'd be
03:20:20.720
that might be a bit embarrassing you should still do it but whatever and he's like yo i just i i want
03:20:26.560
the bow you're not going to do that for your man would you bow for your you're not gonna do that for
03:20:31.360
your man no the love of your life he's perfect you're gonna bow you're gonna bow for no woman
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what are you talking about why why would any guy ever bow for a woman wait wait question he's
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fucking perfect he's your perfect guy but he's got this one in your view red flag but he's perfect
03:20:50.160
and he'll never cheat on you and he's awesome in all the ways you'd like man to be awesome
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but he wants you to bow do you pass him up i do that is the most r slurred
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shit i have ever fucking hurt i'm you perfect but he wants you to bow and you're submissive
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what else are you not going to do for him then i don't see how that makes me r-word because i have
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certain expectations when it comes to relationships and there are certain things that i won't compromise
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on such as being submissive i don't think that you making someone bow and them disagreeing with
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it makes you not submissive submissive just because you're submissive does not mean that you lack respect
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for yourself wait so you would you would bow to other people though yes it's my question you you want
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to you want to work a job right you want to like have a job a career well maybe not a traditional job
03:21:55.120
i do want to become like an entrepreneur and so if you could have a job and it paid a hundred thousand
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dollars a year and the only thing you had to do is you were a greeter at a store and the requirement
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was you had to bow to each guest who entered the store and just greet them oh hello welcome
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so yes because of the money well i don't think so really because if you think about it there are
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certain things that men will never compromise on because it will go against their pride
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so just because a woman's perfect does not mean that he would always wait so let's say okay let's say a
03:22:43.280
woman i'm trying to think what a sort of such a benign request from a woman would be of a man but he
03:22:50.880
gets his perfect woman who will be loyal to him for the rest give him children but she has one benign
03:22:59.360
request that's just kind of a little oh that's a little i'm trying to think what it is i can think of
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one what is it maybe like if she requests him to always get his jacket off and you know lay it
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out front all the time for her and for her to sit down like a lot of men would disagree with that
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in return he gets his perfect woman but i i feel that a lot and that's the that's the mountain the hill they
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die on right but a lot of men aren't willing to do something that makes them seem vulnerable and
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especially in front of other people in my opinion
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i guess my question would be for you you got your perfect woman right
03:23:41.600
would you let it would you let her hold it like a hose when you pee
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every time every time you pee would you let her hold it like a hose she's like i don't think that's
03:23:54.160
that maps on one to one to the bow but uh so i have to go and get her every if i'm at
03:24:00.880
fucking work babe come to fucking work so you can hold my dick while i pee no like like you could
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just do it like once a day you can do it at home you know like you don't see anyone it doesn't
03:24:10.640
she's the perfect woman she's yeah i'll make the concession it's a little strange but fuck it yeah
03:24:16.080
for the perfect woman yeah you can hold my dick once or twice i invite welcome yeah yeah why not
03:24:25.440
it's weird it's i don't i think that's a bigger ask than the bow but sure
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yeah i think it depends on the intention bro i don't know if you guys know the definition
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actually i would like to get into the intention what do you mean the intention what is the intent
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yeah yeah no if it's like the intention is degrading no no no well that's what i mean if
03:24:46.560
like if if it's i don't know it can be a little fetish i guess or it can be like this is in his
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culture like a welcoming thing that that's different if it's like i'm the king and you are
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my slave beneath me type of feeling no i'm not slave i don't get why does it always have to be
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such an no but i'm just saying if but that's what i mean i mean if that's the intention of like
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what if he just says i'm the king and you're not the king you don't want the bow because that's how
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you show me respect when you come in my door for me personally i like the bow you hit the door
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i like the bow now i'm going to give you the western equivalence of this yeah you may think
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this is silly but you know what i really like my wife to do every once in a while right i've never told
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her this but i still like it anyway a good a nice curtsy you know a nice what isn't that isn't
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a curtsy what's a hurtsy a curtsy a curtsy a curtsy oh you don't know what a curtsy is like a
03:25:45.760
oh yeah yeah yeah if it's your thing that's fine what's wrong with a curtsy
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hey man if it's your thing and if that's you're you're both like comfortable with that like i have
03:25:57.360
no problem with that you've never curtsy i don't i mean probably sarcastically or like i've i mean not
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in a like serious uh i owe you like respect type of way is that what i wouldn't know when when i
03:26:11.600
would do yeah i think i mean i think it's respectful yeah i think i've never done that for 15 hours a
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day and he's in like the most god-awful conditions possible to bring home the bacon i don't see what's
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wrong with the curtsy i do i would do it differently like if i yeah if my boyfriend has been working all
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day like i'm gonna i i love welcoming my boyfriend so i would come to the door and hug him or i would
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i'd like to have like you know something cooked for him curtsy i mean honestly yeah maybe i'm just
03:26:39.120
thinking like it depends okay well i mean that's just the bow it's just about maybe the bow too maybe
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i said the bow fills me with the drive to go out and fight the world to provide you a home and food to
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prepare us just makes me 102 percent instead of 100 you still wouldn't then yes yo we got we got a
03:27:00.960
piece of party coming boys um we'll we'll do the roast session too while while everybody gets a little
03:27:09.600
little breather room to uh eat really quick around the table though to finish this off would you bow for
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your man no bow for your man if it's conan o'brien yes conan that's right conan over anisa
03:27:21.040
yeah oh there we go i think you used to say no right oh she's oh okay all right yo dave on jackson
03:27:28.240
by the way thank you very much man appreciate it oh you had something wait you got something no what
03:27:34.480
you got guys we're gonna lower the tts here to 20 we're gonna do a roast session give me a second
03:27:41.440
boys to get that going uh austin are you able to get the messages typed out or do you want me to do it
03:27:46.800
which message i'll do it i got it it's all good save that i'll read that one later i'll get them
03:27:53.040
pulled up later guys so roast session while everybody eats their pizza before that though
03:27:57.120
can we play that bow video 2.0 yes bow video 2.0 we'll continue the conversation though on the being
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submissive about blah blah blah but about video 2.0 uh it's just really quick just play it i guess
03:28:14.880
yeah sure but we might have to mute it or is it music yeah okay no no no yeah okay this is
03:28:23.360
okay what do you guys ladies this is a little but there's a twist
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would you do this for your man hold yep hold on oh no what oh no oh no what the
03:28:42.560
fuck dude oh wait there's no we didn't okay we did we didn't have didn't expect that somehow the
03:28:48.080
there was no thing showing on the video whatever like our reaction do you know what i'm talking about
03:28:54.160
austin yeah okay it's fine um does anybody want some oh yeah does somebody not want pizza it's
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pepperoni no i don't want you don't okay that's fine that's the most disgusting thing i've ever
03:29:08.080
seen on whatever dude why would you ever play that the beginning's good though right andrew the
03:29:13.600
beginning's good no no the twist ruined the entire movie for me bro but what if the guy loves
03:29:19.040
washing dishes what if it makes him feel strong and powerful and that's how
03:29:28.480
yeah well i mean we have a word for those men we call them bitches
03:29:34.160
yeah columbia chills i think we're good uh yeah she does emma doesn't want one i mean i've met i've
03:29:41.280
met a couple of men who tell me that they adore housework but they're always liberal progressive
03:29:45.920
scumbags every single time so guys tts is 20 we're gonna do a little roast session session we're
03:29:54.400
gonna do a little roast session so tts now set to 20 for uh oh did not mean that uh yeah tts set to
03:30:02.960
20 for i don't know 10 minutes while we you know take a little breather andrew's gonna keep us
03:30:07.920
entertained he's gonna tell us um he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna tell us about his
03:30:19.760
tell us a story from the the d gen days the d gen days andrew d gen days tts i never i've always been
03:30:28.080
nothing but a perfect stoic gentleman a philosophizer since i was a young man i've always
03:30:35.680
gone the straight and narrow brian how dare you make such insinuations as to say anything to the
03:30:42.560
contrary of that i'm sorry on uh yeah on unbelievable i would like to actually get into this though with
03:30:51.760
uh with rachel but you do look like you you can eat your pizza instead if you want this is the roast
03:30:57.760
section so everybody's about to get i'm not hungry i'm good all right yeah you're not you know my
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tops for donated twenty dollars the male equivalent of a bow is opening the car door for your woman no
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man is going to give up a perfect woman if she asks that any time she gets in the car you open the
03:31:15.280
door for her delulu women yeah blowing loads donated twenty dollars you can't bow but you'll bang a
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stranger and let him choke you and blow a load on your faces you'll need jesus and some clam cream
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the one before actually that was a great point the first super chat the first super super chat is is
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stating if you were a great woman a man would be happy to go and open your door for you
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it's like and and that's true they would they would go open your door every single time you got in the
03:31:53.440
car they'd open your door when you went into a building they would do all of that stuff but you
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can't even get a bow like you can't get a bow but i mean who decided that that's the equivalent maybe
03:32:07.120
it's something else maybe it's like i said like what i like to do is like welcoming my boyfriend doesn't
03:32:11.360
mean that i want to bow what who said who wrote what do you welcome him with i i usually jump in
03:32:18.800
his arm and hug him and just get excited but i just i just yeah i'm just excited when my boyfriend
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gets home usually when i have a boyfriend brian this daddy donated twenty dollars brian you are the
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last one on the panel that needs pizza you won't lose your dumpy that way tubby tubby tubby tubby
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it's true ma'am it's true but you know look i gotta i i got it chris tabernak donated twenty dollars
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you need you need the consonants and you need some emotion in it so yeah that face andrew
03:33:07.600
okay yeah i don't um yeah that that just sounded evil it sounded like yeah it sounded like an
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exorcism needed to happen donated twenty dollars look boys brian's out here cheating on his burritos
03:33:22.560
with a greasy pizza what a degen no surprise he got his plate first gulp gulp straight to the dumpy
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he he did get his plate first i'm not he he did and there was there was a lot of pizza on the plate
03:33:36.880
brian and it's all gone now i'm hungry bro i'm hungry that's fair gotta eat it's a long podcast a long
03:33:48.160
podcast man it's uh mentally it's it's uh you know it's the legendary trash panda donated 20
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andrew i'm getting another one i'm getting another one share one i had a problem processing yours
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the program automatically set the slider to 50 because you already look old af oh no
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twenty dollars and twenty four cents first time donation keep up the good work brian and andrew
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yeah we'll do grand meow will do so um chris donated twenty dollars so i see android 17 and vegeta up on
03:34:29.760
the shelf over there where did android 18 go isn't she up there too
03:34:37.760
what what what can it what kind of shitty dbz references 20 the part of the show where i can
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afford to voice my aussie dollar opinions w-based chat ladies feminism has made you less feminine
03:34:51.680
drop your ego buying isn't worse than taking it up the ass prehistoric queef donated twenty dollars
03:35:00.000
would you date a guy that farts a lot but is an absolute 8.5 overall
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i can answer this i would because brian sagging tits donated twenty dollars too slow please for the
03:35:16.880
love of god we can't handle any more garbage but ma'am i i need my i need my energy bro brian did you
03:35:25.040
tell him that dean agreed dean agreed live on the crucible to come on and do a dating talk panel he
03:35:32.000
agreed live right here to come on and do it and then do a debate afterwards did you tell him that
03:35:38.240
let's see if they stick if he sticks to it you know well i have them live on video you saw the video
03:35:43.200
right we'll see terminal underscore last donated twenty dollars three asians walk onto a podcast the host
03:35:52.880
says i've seen this one before all these donations and brian gets little caesars it's not
03:35:59.120
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03:36:32.120
Yeah, I noticed that there wasn't very many feminists recently
03:36:39.320
I did see a whole lot of people getting pulled out of floodwaters.
03:37:33.380
The problem is that they're not saving the kittens either.
03:37:47.660
Ultimately, the cats, they're a little bit smarter.
03:38:36.120
Chair 5, I also had a problem processing yours.
03:38:40.160
It kept giving you a mustache, so I took a closer look.
03:38:57.060
Just scoot your chair into the table a little bit, so you can...
03:39:16.500
If you get a home run in the first few dates, go steady.
03:39:19.620
Ever since cell phones were given to our generation, it added a whole texting face to dating BS.
03:39:49.440
I would suck a fart out that doesn't hold it like a bong hit Morgan.
03:40:05.320
Please add Trump saying shut up, silly woman, to the soundboard.
03:40:09.880
From the snake poem he reads at his rallies, so many places to use it.
03:40:14.640
By the way, this pizza roast session was a great idea.
03:40:21.920
Andrew, I broke down to a femme today why women didn't have bank accounts so they couldn't occur that back then,
03:40:27.920
and she just froze and said sounds like no freedom.
03:40:52.900
Do any ladies on the panel have armpit hair to show off?
03:40:59.520
It's a shame Brian was too cheap to spring for real pizza with pineapple.
03:41:18.700
If it were Springfield, Ohio, the Haitians would have saved the cats too.
03:41:31.820
A couple of eights on this panel are eights in a different sense, as in Brian would vomit
03:41:36.940
his burrito after looking at their faces for eight milliseconds.
03:41:46.820
Love the way words anymore are being appropriated and used without even understanding the standard
03:41:52.820
They just assign random definitions based on what they feel the word should mean.
03:42:18.420
Brickson, I'm sorry, but you aged 10 years in one year.
03:42:32.380
Dylan Joe, there once was a man from Peru who fell asleep in his canoe.
03:42:36.380
While dreaming of Venus, he played with his penis and woke up covered in goo.
03:42:53.400
We make more than enough to live off one income, but he can't do his hobbies otherwise.
03:43:05.940
Ladies, give us your best hawk tune if bowing is too much.
03:43:29.480
We're going to do the TTS at 100 now for the rest of the show.
03:43:34.020
I know there's some that are still coming through, so I'll give you guys a grace period.
03:43:38.820
If you're watching now, you're watching live, I guess here's the cutoff.
03:43:56.260
I like my coochies to look like moose knuckles.
03:44:11.220
None of you are pretty enough to lack a personality.
03:44:21.040
Brian may be big now, but I can sense a comeback.
03:44:24.440
Him and Andrew are going to get shredded and come for you neckbeards.
03:44:36.180
Would you be with a stud dude that farts a lot?
03:44:50.420
Please ask the ladies if they would still want equal rights if they had to draw straws
03:44:55.880
with men senior year of high school to randomly assign difficult, dangerous, and dirty jobs.
03:45:09.720
Without her, the next hottest one is Andrew's beard.
03:45:17.120
Which is, by the way, by the way, better than price.
03:45:20.400
If I should still be submissive, Andrew, should I get some extra help from the husband?
03:45:25.740
It's a lot to take care of the house fully and children and work full time.
03:45:31.840
First of all, well, I just want to point something out very quickly to you, Ashy.
03:45:37.480
And I don't think that you work full time so your husband can do his hobbies.
03:45:41.200
Just shut up and stop coping and fucking lying to me.
03:45:46.340
Nobody believes you that you're so altruistic you wanted to work full time and take care
03:45:50.940
of your children so your husband could pursue, what, golfing?
03:45:54.160
Just get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
03:46:03.560
There might be some stragglers, but we do have to bring it back up.
03:46:16.600
Brian, do you garnish those pizzas with cheese from under?
03:46:28.680
There was a TTS that came in before this at 100.
03:46:37.180
Thank you guys who participated in the pizza session and the roast session.
03:46:50.020
To the person who sent in 100 before we did that, it's not going to let me pull it up,
03:46:56.240
but I'm going to go through the history and I'm going to read it.
03:47:11.580
How much should your partner spend for your Christmas gifts?
03:47:29.420
I wouldn't want to spend time with him, but I don't...
03:47:41.920
I'd say, like, depending on what he's comfortable spending, but $20 is, like,
03:47:49.040
Around $50, but I also like things that are, like, handmade.
03:47:54.820
I don't think there should be a monetary value necessarily.
03:47:58.100
I mean, I'm a big gift giver, but no monetary value.
03:48:06.840
And Anissa, the only woman here who actually has a boyfriend, no offense to the rest of you,
03:48:12.680
how much do you expect your boyfriend for the little holidays, you know?
03:48:21.060
Daniel Nasiri, Brian, next time they refute the traditionally...
03:48:26.520
Sons of Liberty, my house in Florida was submerged by over four feet of ocean water.
03:48:36.620
Forward bow challenge them with the hypocrisy of providing the reverse bow with the hair-pulling,
03:48:42.600
So, basically, you'll arch your back in a different way for a man, but you won't do
03:49:12.000
I just want to make sure, then, right, that this will be a prying question.
03:49:16.280
You don't have to answer it, of course, but I assume that you've just never had sex
03:49:22.040
No, there's a difference between, like, pulled hair back and, like, being super whatever...
03:49:31.800
It seems like she'd be a wholesome partner, plus is a bit of a smoke show.
03:49:40.280
But he's saying that that is a submissive position to be put in.
03:49:44.900
If you're in that submissive position, your head is thrown back, and your back is arced.
03:49:49.540
It's essentially the same exact position, right?
03:50:02.780
It just sounded more aggressive, like you would let someone do that.
03:50:11.740
I mean, that is assuming that everyone here would let a man do that, and you don't want
03:50:16.200
I assume that women who have had sex multiple times with multiple partners have likely had
03:50:25.340
I'm sure that there's some who are just, like, straight missionary.
03:50:30.280
I just have a feeling it isn't going to be most of the women on this panel.
03:50:41.740
Raise your hand if you've never had doggy-style sex.
03:51:16.460
What's more submissive, a woman who bows or a man who pulls the chair out or holds the door open?
03:51:29.400
So what's more, I guess this is a question to you.
03:51:32.120
Well, I feel that it's more submissive of a woman who bows just because pulling the chair out is ingrained within, like, chivalry, and it just doesn't seem as submissive as that.
03:52:08.000
Would you bow to a woman if she was the perfect woman for you?
03:52:17.480
And here, I'll give you my justification for it.
03:52:20.340
I don't think that men are supposed to submit to women.
03:52:26.060
But not only is it an act of submission, it's a sign of respect.
03:52:29.320
I don't think that men should be bowing to women, ever.
03:52:35.960
But it's also a submission to, like this guy said, to pull the chair out and hold the door open.
03:52:43.520
I think that that's a sign of respect, absent submission.
03:52:46.500
You wouldn't consider those things a submission?
03:52:50.680
To make this question fair, I would like you to ask me, because putting, to Andrew's point, that is it more submissive.
03:53:01.200
So you'll have to ask me a question that would be more gender-appropriate.
03:53:14.300
So give me an ask from a woman for the perfect woman that would be gender-appropriate for me to do.
03:53:25.020
People have different ways of showing love and affection and respect.
03:53:28.540
Well, because even within the worldview of there being 10,000 genders, Brian most assuredly takes the gender of the traditional he-him, right, under this paradigm.
03:53:42.820
And so even under the paradigm of those who believe that there's 1,000 genders, they would have to show respect to the particular gender which the person is allocating to themselves, right?
03:53:53.220
I wasn't speaking about that there's 10,000 genders.
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I'm just saying even assuming there were inside of that worldview, you would still be assigning the respect portion of it to the gender the person assigned themselves, right?
03:54:15.200
So either he's the traditional masculine or assigns the traditional masculine, and not traditional in the sense of I go for tradition, but traditional masculinity.
03:54:27.360
If that is the case, he assigns that to himself, whichever way, inside the other worldview or his worldview, you would still be showing respect through that, right?
03:54:39.380
Okay, so you're just speaking from a traditional masculinity standpoint?
03:54:48.420
Well, because I think, so to your question, I think like if she was going to ask you something that's like gender equivalent for you, I think it would be something emotional.
03:54:55.620
So something as to, so the bow would be a respect.
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Scoot the mic to the edge of the table, please.
03:55:03.460
And for, I guess for you to the woman would be something like you have to listen to her, talk about her day.
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Which is about three, four, five times as long as it takes her breath.
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I'm just saying like, yeah, that's the equivalent, right?
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Once a day, once a day, I will listen to her for 10 seconds.
03:55:30.000
You know what, Andrew, perhaps I'm going to get flack for this.
03:55:36.300
There's a lot of, I mean, I think people don't underestimate what perfection is.
03:55:50.280
But for the perfect woman, I'm going to get flack.
03:56:22.240
His hobby is a band and spends roughly 1K a month on it.
03:56:33.780
Nope, you should still submit to an investment.
03:56:36.100
You're hoping that his band makes it big so you never have to work again.
03:56:45.940
Guys, I actually see, in order to secure her, I get the perfect woman handed to me on a silver platter, and all I have to do is bow, do one bow.
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The entirety of the rest of the relationship, she's perfectly submissive.
03:57:07.000
She's beautiful, feminine, all the traits that I want.
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Giant fucking giant Guinness World Record book labia.
03:57:26.060
Okay, but she literally lets me rest my feet on her back while I watch TV.
03:57:39.680
But, Andrew, you're going to have to take the L on this.
03:57:43.440
Andrew, you've got to take the L. I'm sorry, but okay.
03:57:45.120
I don't care if you show up every single night to the best food you've ever had,
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to the best sex you've ever had, to the most submissive woman who's ever existed,
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She will help you bury the dead body in the backyard.
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So, I don't say I don't accept the perfect woman.
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It's already a flawed woman if you're bowing to her.
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An imperfect woman, if you have to bow, that is the logical syllogism.
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So, if you're a perfect woman, hang on, she's perfect in every conceivable way except you have to bow.
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Therefore, you can never bow to a woman, Brian.
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That's the entailment of the position, that she's not perfect.
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If that perfect woman was perfect in every way and you did not have to bow, would you prefer that woman over a woman who was perfect in every way but you did have to bow?
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Well, then we have discovered there's an imperfection and, therefore, the perfect woman cannot ever exist if you must bow.
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Therefore, Andrew was right and you just took the fattest dell of your career.
03:59:32.060
No, but hold on, let me, let me just fucking rip out my chapter three from debateuniversity.com.
03:59:40.240
You son of a gun, here I got you, Andrew, because the perfect woman, but, that's it.
03:59:49.120
But you have to do this, which in the hypothetical presented would suggest that she is perfect, but this one thing.
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So then you're not, so, okay, but this doesn't make any sense because you're already making the claim she's not perfect.
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Hang on, the initial premise was that, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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My kids are one and two and we have a third on the way.
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I just want to give them the time they need so they grow up well.
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I'm just trying to point out that, yeah, that's an investment.
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Even if you're the primary breadwinner, you should still submit because that's still an investment.
04:00:51.420
Andrew, you're a proponent of marriage, Christian men, Orthodox Christian.
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Now, would you have any quarrel with a man kneeling to propose to his girlfriend?
04:01:13.540
Yeah, I don't think you should kneel to propose.
04:01:26.440
Well, okay, then I was hoping you'd say, eh, you know.
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You are, but I would take the alternative position.
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But look, I'm just saying, look, okay, you're trying to get me on a technicality, bro.
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I'm going to grant it and say, Andrew Wilson thinks you should.
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It's not an act of submission to kneel to ask for the marriage because what you're actually doing, right, is you're saying, listen, this is the one time in my life that I'm going to show you some vulnerability as I ask you for this great leap from you.
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Now, if this motherfucker got on his knees every other day to propose, you would agree that there's a problem there, right?
04:02:10.780
Like, if you said to me, Andrew, I bowed once to the perfect woman, that's different.
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Like, she's going to hit the door and Brian's going to bow?
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I'm not going to allow you to gish gallop, Andrew.
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I would rather live – die on my feet than live on my knees.
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Would you recommend that, then, that men propose with a bow, Brian?
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Ashley, if you stopped paying to send in TTS messages, you'd probably have to work less.
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So, he – instead of getting on one knee, he bowed his entire body over and held the ring up like so.
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Hold the ring straight up above your head and then bow your whole body over.
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I did debate myself recently in law, by the way.
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Can we have Andrew – debate Andrew really quick?
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Let's have – maybe we have – we should probably have Andrew or Austin do this.
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We have to save it for – I have a topic on this.
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You're trying to tackle me on the word perfect.
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In this scenario – I think here's the difference.
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And the genie says – the genie says, Brian, I will give you the perfect woman.
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She does not request this of you, but you must do it.
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You got to – Andrew, I'm not going to allow you to – I'm not going to – hold on.
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So, Andrew, the genie is the sort of arbiter, the executioner of this tragic, tragic burden on me to bow to this woman.
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But it's not the woman who is requesting me to do this.
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The genie has created the scenario, in order for me to get this perfect woman, I must do this.
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How can, in this scenario, the woman not be perfect?
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So, the genie could not actually grant the wish.
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If the genie says, great, I'll give you the perfect woman, but you have to bow to her, then the genie could not give you that woman because she would not be perfect.
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If you were talking to the genie, what about her would not be perfect?
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From your purview of what you consider the perfect woman, if you had all of those qualities, plus you didn't have to bow, but you also had all those qualities, but you did, which of those women would you take?
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Well, then we already know your criteria for the perfect woman.
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So, if you ask the genie for the perfect woman, if you ask the genie for the perfect woman and the genie says, I'll give you the perfect woman, but you have to bow, he's not giving you the perfect woman.
04:07:38.200
So, if a genie says, I'll give you a million dollars per day, but you have to do a bow, or the genie says, I'll give you a million dollars per day, and you don't have to do the bow.
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Do you not get the million dollars per day if you take the bow?
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Because if you say, no, I won't take the bow, you don't get the million dollars.
04:08:12.440
Yeah, well, then, yeah, it wouldn't be the same thing.
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So, you're getting two different criteria here.
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The second one, you don't bow, you don't get the million.
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What if a, hmm, I don't know if this is compelling, but a perfect woman, her standard for dating a man is that he needs to earn a million dollars a year.
04:08:47.800
She's a perfect, she is the perfect woman, but the man does not earn a million dollars a year.
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Is she no longer the perfect woman despite his own inadequacy?
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She would still be, she would still be the perfect woman despite this inadequacy because entailed in the premise is she's the perfect woman.
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She wants the perfect man, but the perfect man must make a million dollars.
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Listen, bro, we're getting caught up on the word perfect here.
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Let's get back to the spirit of the conversation, right?
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Now, you've managed to derail the conversation with this hyper focus on the word perfect.
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But, let's get back to the, the, the, the spirit of the question, which was.
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Would I, the perfect woman, I just have to bow and I get the perfect woman?
04:10:20.280
Okay, but in the entailment there is that you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow.
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And so, therefore, if you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow, it can't be the perfect woman, Brian.
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Just, just for, just for simplicity, simplicity's sake, I will go ahead and grant you that she is imperfect now.
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So, you will bow to the imperfect woman, Brian?
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You're, you're, you know, you're, you're a little trickster, Andrew.
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Andrew, she's, she, wait, Andrew, what about this?
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So, if, so, if you're saying that in every other way than the way that she makes you submit every single day to her, she's perfect.
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Yeah, so I, I would, yeah, I would hit the bow.
04:11:18.060
So then, so what you're saying is that you will submit to the woman who you think is perfect, even though the imperfection of her making you submit makes her imperfect, you would still submit if she had all the other criteria other than that, right?
04:11:34.720
Look, man, I know you're doing your Tai Chi, Judo, or whatever.
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You're trying to get me to be like, just to, to basically admit that I'm a soy boy.
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Yeah, I would bow, I would bow in deference to men who were above my station if I was in
04:12:16.640
So I just want, I just want to make sure we got this on record, that there are cases
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I will submit to the, the penultimate perfect woman.
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So you would submit to a less than perfect woman.
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I know it's a big word, Brian, but you would agree that the word supersede means to come
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And so if we're talking about perfect and we have perfect and then second perfect is
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And you would admit that perfect supersedes less than perfect.
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But let Andrew, let's say I don't accept this scenario.
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And in so doing, in so doing, in reality, I end up with a woman who,
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is orders of magnitude worse than this supposed, just slightly less than imperfect woman.
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Like, regardless of the circumstances, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to bow my head
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And even if that meant that I was in a worse situation than I was before that, I'm not bowing
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Okay, let me give you, I'm going to ask you a question, Andrew.
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If it's under threat of, if it's under threat of coercion, if that's what your hypothetical
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One of the women, and you, you have to pick one.
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One of the women is an atheist, liberal, feminist, obese, BPD, bipolar, depressed, on a slew
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of anti-psychotic, anti-anxiety, anti-depression drugs.
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And my choice is between that or the perfect woman, except she's not perfect because I have
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The other woman, beautiful, fertile, orthodox Christian, virgin, will give you seven sons.
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That Bible verse, I don't know the exact, I don't recall it.
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Children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hand of a warrior.
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And I just want to make sure all other things are equal.
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So everything else remains the same except these two conditions.
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Except, well, except the differences between woman A and woman B, everything else stays the same.
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Can you give me an example of what would not be?
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Yeah, so woman A, the heinous woman, I can pick between her, I can pick between this golden goddess who's fucking fantastic, except I have to bow to her.
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Everything else external to this stays the same.
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I know you're trying to get, I know you're trying to do something, Andrew, but sure.
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Then I'll take the heinous bitch and divorce her.
04:17:42.200
Now, this is a perfect example of your bamboozling trickery here, Andrew.
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Now there's, okay, so then all things aren't equal.
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I just, I told you who I would pick, and I told you why I would pick her.
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I'll engage with that a little bit, but I'm not gonna let you get away from this, Andrew.
04:18:30.460
Um, so, but you have to consummate the marriage.
04:18:38.760
Yeah, then I consummate the marriage, and then divorce her.
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That's this, Andrew, I can't, but you would, you would have carnal knowledge of an obese,
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Andrew will have carnal knowledge of an obese, pink-haired feminist who smells.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, wait a second.
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Isn't, consummate, isn't that, you know what I mean?
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In the night of your wedding, if you can't get it up, you are still consummating that marriage.
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I tried to give you all these conditionals that you could have changed, you know?
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You're being a little, you're being a little trickster.
04:19:23.620
You said consummate, Brian, not have to have sex with.
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Make a marriage or relationship complete by having sexual intercourse.
04:19:42.900
And then go to, go to definition, definition two.
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No, this is, this is the agreed upon definition of this word.
04:20:01.840
Well, there's multiple agreed upon definitions of the word, which is why there's multiple definitions, Brian.
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This is, this is the accepted definition by the broader public.
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Are you saying that you can never get married to a woman if you can't get it up?
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How do you consummate such a marriage if you can't get it up?
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No, but make complete by having sexual intercourse.
04:20:31.360
Sure, but how, but wait a second, so you're saying that any marriage, any marriage where the guy can't get it up, it's not consummated?
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According to definition one, technically, if you can, if you don't have sexual intercourse, technically, according to this definition, that is correct.
04:20:50.100
If you have a different definition, that's fine.
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I'm going to grant definition one in its entirety.
04:21:06.300
Andrew, do I need to bring you back to health class here?
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For the purposes of the, Andrew, you're being, you're being a little shifty.
04:21:16.140
I want to make sure, is it, if it's vaginal penetration, I'll just grant it, Brian.
04:21:24.780
I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say it's vaginal penetration.
04:21:27.160
Well, then, entailed in your scenario, this woman, we would never be able to consummate
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our marriage because I would never be able to get it up.
04:21:37.560
I'm trying to give you all the bones in the world here, Brian.
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Yeah, but do you, so this is why it's very important that we get into the details.
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Does the man have to ejaculate for it to be consummated?
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So basically, I just have to sit there while this beach whale rides me, and then I never
04:22:10.800
Yeah, I'm fucking taking that deal and divorcing that chick the next day.
04:22:16.480
I'm still divorcing that chick the next day, and I'm going to become a monk.
04:22:20.440
How about you can't divorce her, and you got to smash once a week?
04:22:26.040
Wait, so I have to, I have to have sex with this chick once a week?
04:22:30.900
Like, wait, so under the, so under the hypothetical, right, under the, I just want to make sure
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Either I bow to a woman, or I have to be with the most heinous whale person who's ever existed,
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and be put on Viagra and have sex with her once a week.
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I said, does any of this have to do with coercion?
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So, yes, under coercion, under absolute coercion, yes.
04:23:19.040
So, you don't have to have sex with her, but that's your wife, and you can't divorce her,
04:23:26.400
But, okay, got it, and all, hang on, and all conditions stay the same.
04:23:48.060
If all conditionals stay the same, then I would still take her,
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Am I willing to do something bad when I'm forced by a genie to marry a fat, heinous feminist
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who I have to be forced to have sex with every week?
04:24:24.680
First off, to be fair, to be charitable, you wouldn't have to go to another country.
04:24:33.180
You could just go for a walk in the woods in Michigan.
04:24:36.980
I didn't say, well, okay, the reason I would go to another country is because I renounced
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my U.S. citizenship and then divorce her in that country.
04:24:45.740
That's why I asked if all things would be equal, Brian.
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And I, the girls are, I got to get the girls back.
04:25:02.980
You know, they've had a chance to recharge here.
04:25:07.380
So, the choices between these two women, you can't go, you can't bring the woman into
04:25:20.420
Yeah, you can, yeah, you got to stay with them.
04:25:23.800
You can never find another woman, even if you, I give you the grant, the whole divorce
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And, and this is assuming you don't have kids, per, uh, almost perfect.
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I'm taking the woman and that I can get the divorce from.
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Even if, even if, even if it meant for all future men that they could always take a look
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at this one stupid asshole from Michigan who took the worst deal possible and made sure
04:26:08.120
he would not fall on his own sword so that he would not have to bow to a woman and all
04:26:18.380
You know, Andrew, do you remember earlier on in the conversation when the women over here
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were saying, I'm going to be better looking when I'm 70.
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Andrew, that's you that you, I'm going to be better looking when I'm 70.
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This intermission was brought to you by debate university.
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I'm not bowing the head to no fucking, I'm not doing it.
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I've gone 40 years without bowing my fucking head to a woman.
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And no matter how many genie bottles you come up with, I'm going to find the flaw in that
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If you guys want to learn how to become a master debater, you guys have to go to debateuniversity.com.
04:27:25.060
You know, look, I know that, you know, it's, it's a good course.
04:27:31.640
It's a good course, 80 plus videos, six plus hours of content.
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If you want to learn how to become a master debater like Andrew, how you just saw him master
04:27:50.960
You can tell that Brian has also taken a course in master debating as he has been master debating
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better than I've ever seen him master debate this fine evening on whatever.
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So I must admit you have really improved in your master debating skills, sir.
04:28:08.500
I'm a, I'm a journeyman master debater, but I'm hoping to one day get to like, you know,
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It's all, and a lot of, all, you know, a lot of, a lot of credit to you, you know, cause
04:28:33.280
I'm getting a little, a little sweaty here, you know, it's, it ain't easy going up against
04:28:39.640
You know, if you're going to, you're going to, what's that saying?
04:28:41.760
Like if you're going to step to the, step to the King, you got to have your, have your,
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Any, the thing about, if you're going to, if you're going to scuffed, just hide it in,
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StreamYard, no, sources, sources, sources, scroll up, scroll up, scroll, okay.
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Sorry guys, we had a little technical glitch there.
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So, uh, if your boss tells you five times a week, I want you to commute 30 hours in a car
04:29:51.500
and then come to work and show up at 8 a.m., will you do it?
04:29:55.900
So for me personally, I want to be an entrepreneur so that wouldn't really work with me.
04:30:03.040
Um, is it, can you envision yourself in some scenario where you would end up having a traditional
04:30:13.480
Do you realize most people will have a job where they have a boss?
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And then your boss says, show up at this time, doesn't he?
04:30:50.340
He says, show up at times that maybe you don't prefer, right?
04:30:59.920
What's the earliest a boss has ever told you, I need you here at this time?
04:31:16.280
And if your boss says, hey, move that over there, has, has a boss done that to you before?
04:31:31.420
Like if, yeah, if she requests me to do something.
04:31:35.080
Maybe they'd say it more politely, but they ask you to do it, right?
04:31:39.800
And you, uh, any other undesirable tasks that the boss has asked you to do?
04:31:55.980
How about everything that you do for work is something you otherwise wouldn't do, but
04:32:02.580
you're being given money to do it, pretty much, right?
04:32:14.040
So, I guess to wrap up the submissive conversation, I know we've lingered on it for a while, but
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so women were submissive to their husbands, but you've now traded this to be submissive
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And I would argue that employer is going to ask much more of you than your husband ever
04:32:40.960
I think, well, I mean, the big difference is like the relationship or relationships in
04:32:45.980
general are personal and the job for me is not personal.
04:32:50.100
If, like, my boss asks me something, I, I don't know, even if my boss yells at me, I
04:32:57.300
It's a different, like, a relationship is different.
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The, like, what my boyfriend's going to tell me is going to affect me way more than what
04:33:11.800
So, you said you would not bow for your perfect man, correct?
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And your perfect man, would he be a billionaire?
04:33:23.280
So, my, are you asking for my ideal perfect man?
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My definition of perfect isn't about what's on the outside.
04:33:35.500
So, just to be clear, you would not desire to date a trillionaire?
04:33:42.360
I just, so what are you, I feel that everyone's definition of perfect is very different.
04:33:47.800
I mean, if I could ask for everything, sure, I would enjoy for him to have some money, but
04:33:58.080
I would do a lot more than bow to marry a trillionaire, but, um, okay.
04:34:10.820
Wait, what else would you do to marry a trillionaire besides just bow, Brian?
04:34:18.420
Do you realize that's, like, a thousand-year dynasty?
04:34:41.900
oh, yeah, if I could marry a woman who's a billionaire, I would...
04:34:51.040
trying to gaslight me into previous conversations.
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They have zero evidence of, but okay, Brian, that's fine.
04:35:18.260
He would have all the other traits that would make him perfect, right?
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You don't need to do this tarot card reading bullshit.
04:35:30.280
I want you to stay at home, and you don't have to worry about anything.
04:35:41.660
So, my perfect man would respect that I have a passion or a hobby
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and would actually want to support me on creating a business for myself.
04:36:07.780
My objective is not to make money if I'm passionate about something.
04:36:22.380
You don't get to do your tarot card thing, and you get to marry a billionaire who's perfect.
04:36:28.400
That's kind of like almost sacrificing my own wants and needs just for a perfect relationship,
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If I paid you a million dollars right now to shave your head, would you do it?
04:36:51.040
Okay, I actually reacted a little bit, so yes, I would do it for a million dollars.
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I mean, I said I accidentally, you know, reacted too quick, so I would.
04:37:15.540
Any girl who would not shave their head for a million dollars?
04:37:26.040
I mean, it'll grow back within a few years, and you can get a wig.
04:37:32.140
I mean, I can't imagine, like, anyone who's intelligent, assuming, like, look, if you were a billionaire,
04:37:40.280
maybe I could see, like, eh, I'm not going to take the million.
04:37:44.240
Or you have, I don't know, $10,000, $20,000, $30,000,000.
04:38:02.640
Okay, so you wouldn't give up the tarot card thing for a trillionaire who's perfect?
04:38:13.860
But how would that be perfect to me if that's not the ideal kind of life that I want?
04:38:19.880
So it's like, would you, they're the best person, but there's this one downside.
04:38:27.960
It's not just like a little downside for me because it's something that consists of my entire life almost.
04:38:36.120
It's something that I want to constantly learn more about.
04:38:39.100
So for me to just give that up because someone wants me to is a big sacrifice.
04:38:58.280
Well, I'm still kind of figuring that out for myself because I have went through some
04:39:03.100
sort of religious trauma and I've developed a more closer connection.
04:39:07.140
Well, last, I'll let Andrew jump in here in just a sec.
04:39:14.200
Wouldn't the submissive thing be if your ultra wealthy husband said, I don't want you.
04:39:20.380
And he's like, well, I believe you practicing tarot cards is, I don't know the specific word.
04:39:27.520
It's a, is it a blasphemy or is it like a, what is it, Andrew?
04:39:46.400
I don't want you practicing tarot cards anymore.
04:39:49.000
For me, I, okay, so my relationship with God is much more important than my relationship
04:40:02.840
So for him to, I guess, make that or try to put that belief onto me is.
04:40:23.000
Andrew, before I have you, I know you want, wait, what the fuck?
04:40:33.000
Would you want your boyfriend or husband to take a bullet for you?
04:40:56.360
Bro, these girls literally want you to die and provide for them, but they won't bow.
04:41:10.080
She wants her husband to take a bullet for her, but she won't give up her tarot cards.
04:41:21.460
Yeah, can, I just wonder if you can help me out with a couple of things.
04:41:34.580
Yeah, I was just going to ask you a couple of quick questions.
04:41:38.740
I understand that you could be quite new to your faith.
04:42:04.600
Just so you know, in tarot, I just want to ask you just a quick question.
04:42:09.660
Do you use tarot to figure out kind of future events or current events?
04:42:16.660
Or current events, in a sense, yes, but I never use it to predict the future.
04:42:25.760
It's much more of a tool to kind of get the general idea of what's going on.
04:42:38.500
I do pray to God before I start my tarot readings.
04:42:43.120
Yeah, and when you're looking at tarot cards for current events, do the tarot cards ever
04:42:50.640
lead you in such a way where you know what current events are or give you some type of
04:43:01.620
Leviticus 19.26, do not practice divination or seek omens?
04:43:06.700
That's, you're doing both, hang on, you're doing both things.
04:43:09.060
You're seeking omens and practicing divination.
04:43:11.380
Divination would just be trying to figure out currently what is going on through some
04:43:21.740
And then omens would be the exact same thing, right?
04:43:24.360
You're looking at the cards for omens of what will happen or has happened or has happened.
04:43:29.980
So I have done a lot of research on this because of a lot of people who have a lot of controversial
04:43:38.620
And my argument is that when people have, maybe I wouldn't, maybe like Christian people
04:43:45.840
wouldn't call it mediumship abilities, but gift from God and ability to see more than,
04:43:52.460
I guess, like other people who may not be considered, I wouldn't say like I'm chosen or anything,
04:43:57.860
but there are those kinds of people within the Bible.
04:44:01.000
So would that be considered the same thing or not?
04:44:05.020
Like to be able to use your gift that was given to my God?
04:44:07.600
There's a distinct difference between revelation and utilizing tarot cards, which would be external
04:44:20.880
Well, what, what tools are, let me ask you something.
04:44:25.800
Where do you get the idea for what divine authority is?
04:44:33.880
To me, divine authority is belief in a higher power and having faith in a higher source.
04:44:45.740
And so, and so you are beholden to Christ's word and you believe that Christ is God, right?
04:44:52.560
So if Christ is God, you have to admit that this is the God of the Old Testament as well
04:45:00.580
So if that is the case, Leviticus 20, 27, a man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer
04:45:11.140
Does it sound like they want to see any divination, witchcraft, anything like that?
04:45:18.660
So I have read that verse many times and it's just a bit hypocritical and ironic when a lot
04:45:26.140
of people are able to just pick and choose which verses that they want to use to be able
04:45:30.880
But there are many Bible verses that mention how no one should be able to judge anyone
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Honestly, I don't have it at the top of my head.
04:45:44.140
The Bible actually instructs you the opposite way, that you're supposed to use righteous
04:45:47.300
judgment, especially as a Christian, so that you can judge the fruits of what is a thing,
04:45:51.640
How else would you know what is evil if you couldn't use judgment?
04:45:59.180
Like, how would you know what to stay away from and what was evil, what was bad if you couldn't
04:46:03.720
Okay, that's a good point, but I also don't think it's up to people to decide what is righteous.
04:46:17.240
I don't really want to argue about this, because this is something that I'm still rediscovering
04:46:27.640
within myself, and of course I knew that there were going to be many people who pulled Bible
04:46:31.440
verses to come against me and my practice, but I mean, that is what I believe, and I don't
04:46:41.400
So, even if you were wrong, do you believe it anyway?
04:46:58.200
I'm not saying I'm right either, and that's why I'm telling you that I'm rediscovering this
04:47:04.680
Well, who would you go to to determine if you were wrong or right when it came to spiritual
04:47:12.140
You're going to go to God, and does God talk to you?
04:47:15.120
I just pray to God I'm able to get more clarification that way, and if I do seek a mentor, then I
04:47:21.720
will, a trusted mentor that I truly believe they have a really good connection to God as
04:47:27.680
How do you know that you don't suffer from affirmation bias, where even though all tons
04:47:31.640
of people have told you that this is not Christianity, that you just choose not to believe them because
04:47:40.380
I've gone through a lot of spiritual warfare, debating between if this is right or wrong.
04:47:46.980
I truly believe that God does give gifts to people.
04:47:51.620
I'm not saying, like, oh, wow, I have, like, the ultimate gift here, but there are many
04:47:59.500
My question is, what would make it wrong for them to use that gift?
04:48:10.160
Yeah, nothing would make it wrong for them to use a gift from God.
04:48:13.660
But we are specifically instructed as what is and is not gifts from God.
04:48:20.340
We are instructed in this in Leviticus, but also even in the New Testament, we're instructed
04:48:25.260
in this multiple times by Christ's apostles, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with
04:48:34.140
I'm just telling you that we have 2,000 years of Christian history of every single saint who
04:48:43.140
exists explaining that this is not the thing that you should ever gravitate towards, and
04:48:50.220
And why is it that you have decided you figured it out, and all of them were wrong?
04:48:56.660
I've been constantly telling you that I am still rediscovering this, and so I don't...
04:49:04.260
When somebody corrects you, you don't take correction, or...
04:49:07.980
How do you rediscover a thing if people who do the thing tell you this is the wrong thing,
04:49:12.700
and you go, well, okay, but let me rediscover it.
04:49:20.220
Just like you mentioned about, like, having the righteous judgment, everyone should have
04:49:25.600
their own free thought, so I'm not going to just allow for people to correct me and just
04:49:33.740
Whoever you think is correcting you based on your affirmation bias or confirmation bias?
04:49:41.260
Like, who's the person who's allowed to tell you, okay, what you're doing here is wrong,
04:49:49.720
Are you the ultimate arbiter of what is Christian and what it's not?
04:49:55.240
I think the whole journey of spirituality and finding your religion...
04:50:01.860
It's about you finding the impartial, like, opinion yourself.
04:50:05.020
Finding these things and allowing yourself to almost formulate your own free thought in
04:50:20.800
How do you know it's not a demon who's chatting with you?
04:50:23.520
I don't think a demon would be the one who leads me back to my faith in Christianity.
04:50:33.820
Let's assume for a second that you were utilizing such a bastardized form of Christianity
04:50:37.780
that you could not separate it from modern Satanism, and you just called it Christianity.
04:50:43.980
Wouldn't a great deceiver convince you that a thing which was not Christianity was Christianity?
04:51:07.120
Oh, you know, two last things on the whole submissive conversation.
04:51:11.380
We have a video to react to, but before we do that, I guess the point I was trying to
04:51:16.420
make by asking you guys about, you know, what would you do for an employer?
04:51:19.540
It's like the same girl who will work a brutal fast food job dealing with a boss, excuse me,
04:51:27.960
barking orders, cleaning dirty dishes, the bathroom, shitty customers for like $15 an hour.
04:51:34.200
But like, say a good guy comes into the picture who has the money to support her family and make sure she never has to work a day in her life again.
04:51:52.160
It's just confusing to me because it's like your husband's going to ask way less of you than your employer.
04:52:01.140
You'll do all the, like the cleaning, the cooking.
04:52:05.580
An employer will ask you to do that if you're in like food service or something.
04:52:09.080
A lot of women have experienced, you know, in food, waitressing or whatever it is.
04:52:13.820
You'll do it for an employer, but you won't do it for your husband.
04:52:24.540
Or take it further in other, if it's, you know, if we're not talking about like a job that's a bit more physical,
04:52:31.660
That's a cold corporation, your boss, but you won't be submissive to a man who loves you and who you love back.
04:52:43.820
And the silence would indicate to me that I don't know if you guys agree.
04:52:50.580
Like you've come to this realization that you've all submitted to your, to the faceless corporation.
04:52:56.520
You go work for Facebook or Google or whatever.
04:53:01.500
But at the end of the day, they tell you, be here at this time.
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Do this, do that, sit in a chair, be good and obedient.
04:53:13.600
You've traded your submission to men for the cold, heartless corporation.
04:53:24.360
But the comparison is like, your comparison is like, if you were the men, well, that is your comparison or you're with a man that makes you not have to work.
04:53:35.060
You just said, the question was just, would you bow to your men?
04:53:46.140
And by the way, by this, through this conversation, I'm like, I don't think I, I don't know.
04:53:57.500
And now I'm like, maybe it's not like, maybe as a signer, like, maybe it's not as, but as I thought it was initially.
04:54:03.820
Cause I'm just, I always just think from my perspective, right.
04:54:09.640
Let's say there's a guy or I mean, I'll even like my own perspective.
04:54:13.560
Like if, if I'm making 2 million, $3 million a year and I want to date a submissive girl and you could be my life partner and I'll take care of everything.
04:54:30.480
And in fact, by helping me, you'll help me earn more money by taking some of the pressure off my life.
04:54:36.740
So by freeing up time for me, I'm going to go out there and earn just because of you, because you're in my life.
04:54:42.960
I'll go earn an extra half a mil a year because you're making my life easier.
04:54:47.380
And that enables me to work more and earn more.
04:54:51.640
But you can do that as a woman and I could come in your life and totally change it.
04:54:57.040
Or you can work for 70K a year, nine to five, be here at this time, wake up at this time.
04:55:05.300
But I mean, if the, if that means if like the money, whatever, first of all, like personally, my value is not necessarily a super, super rich guy, but yeah, I would be happy to have.
04:55:13.520
But like my criteria is like, if the guy's a dick and then he makes a lot of money and I wouldn't want to submit.
04:55:19.020
But if like, you know, what I need is a connection and what I need is like, I also need respect.
04:55:24.080
But I also need to be able to be myself, to be authentic and to do things that I love.
04:55:27.980
If I'm not able to do the things that I love, like play music or the things that I love really that fills my soul, then what, what's the point of me being in a relationship?
04:55:37.380
If I can be myself and do things that I love and vice versa, I think, and I think you don't, you shouldn't have to choose that.
04:55:46.600
No, because you said, you said, give up tarot, whatever.
04:55:49.500
Well, she does it for a profession to make money.
04:55:55.360
So for example, she could have a full, she could have a day.
04:55:58.740
She could work a full work week where she's got 10 new clients a day and she's doing a tarot reading for 10, 20 people a day.
04:56:16.900
I'm just thinking like if, if you could be involved with a guy that he makes a million dollars a year and you can be with him or you can make a hundred thousand dollars a year.
04:56:35.000
It's, it's, you know, that's, that's why it's like, you just tell me like a guy that's super rich and I don't have to.
04:57:01.180
I was saying that I would always want to work because I feel like I would just feel empty that I'm not pursuing something that I love.
04:57:22.160
Give it a decade when you're working and you're grinding for 10 hours plus a day at your job.
04:57:28.620
And then we'll see if you want to keep working.
04:57:29.820
Do you think there's guys who genuinely enjoy working?
04:57:40.180
But they don't have to go into the conflict that women do, the biological conflict of wanting to have a family and childbearing and nesting.
04:57:51.620
And the other thing is that even though I know men absolutely love to work, right, I think they absolutely would love to work on their passion projects even more than working at a job for a boss.
04:58:01.880
So if you were to say, okay, man, you're liberated with $5 million to pursue X, I think that they would choose that very quickly.
04:58:12.140
Okay, but personally, I think, like, even if I would want to have a child, you can childbear and then you go back to work if you really truly enjoy it.
04:58:19.340
Some women, you think there's not a single woman in this world who really doesn't enjoy working?
04:58:25.260
No, I would never say that there's not a single.
04:58:30.260
I would say that most women, the majority, the vast, vast majority of women have given the choice not to work or to work would choose not to work.
04:58:44.800
I think that men would still choose to work, maybe not jobby jobs, but they would still choose to work.
04:58:51.960
But, no, I don't think most women would choose to work.
04:58:54.580
And this bears out when you ask them if they would prefer to work or not work if they did not have to.
04:59:00.720
Most of them say that they would prefer not to.
04:59:02.360
So do you think, because I always struggle to understand that, because for me, I am, like you say, men are hardwired to want to work.
04:59:13.660
But for me, as someone who I could not see myself just not doing anything, I constantly have to be on the go and call them.
04:59:19.220
Well, I think we're speaking past each other, so maybe we can clarify some things.
04:59:30.200
Let's take a girl who works at Subway, and she says, I want to work, right?
04:59:35.080
What the hell is the difference between her making a Subway sandwich for a customer and making a sandwich for her husband?
04:59:41.580
I have never really understood that, you know what I mean?
04:59:46.820
It's just like, why do you want to go work for strangers instead of working for your family?
04:59:58.340
Like for me, as someone who I want to be a lawyer, that's completely different.
05:00:03.520
If I were to be a submissive woman, my lawyer skills or my debating skills or problem solving would not be helpful at all if I'm trying to be a submissive woman.
05:00:18.980
So, you know why we need really smart women raising children?
05:00:23.700
It's because I don't want really dumb women raising children.
05:00:26.440
So, all those women who have the capacity to be really, really good lawyers and doctors and things like this who have those really high IQs, I'd rather see them at home teaching their children.
05:00:37.980
That's where I'd rather see them for the next generation to turn out all of those great high IQs.
05:00:43.720
I want those women having babies, and I want them nurturing those babies and making the next high IQ generation, right?
05:00:54.300
But that's not wasting away in their cubicle for them if that's what they truly love to do.
05:01:00.520
I mean, if you're someone who wants to have kids, if you're a woman who wants to work a high occupation job and have kids, then for sure you've got to make some sacrifices at some point of the child's life when you're working that position.
05:01:12.520
But, again, it is possible, and I don't think you should put away your passion to raise a kid because that would...
05:01:20.520
If you want to work, if that's what you feel like you're compelled to do and you don't actually want to do anything but that, fine.
05:01:32.780
But for the vast, vast majority of women, the conflict does not come between I want to work or do not want to work.
05:01:39.660
It comes between I have to work, but I'd rather have a family.
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That's the real conflict which comes up because we value education over family.
05:01:51.920
That's why women get married in their 30s now because they want to have this social safety net, right?
05:01:59.980
So the big conflict really doesn't come into play between women who just demand to be at work because they want to be there all day,
05:02:07.200
but rather that they have to work because people have to work in modernity in order to make ends meet, right?
05:02:14.000
But let me ask you this, now that I've kind of given you my view on this.
05:02:19.120
Do you think that if you went down the street and asked women, would you prefer to spend the rest of your life working
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or would you prefer early on to be able to settle down with a man who could provide for you that you loved?
05:02:33.320
I mean, most likely they would want to have a family and settle down.
05:02:39.940
I would prefer a society where you made that easier for them to do that rather than a society which valued sending our best and brightest women
05:02:48.700
not to carry the future generation of children, which only they could do, but rather to slave the workforce underneath a boss.
05:02:59.900
I just think that there shouldn't be that much societal pressure to have kids if you don't want to.
05:03:06.360
Why shouldn't there be so much societal pressure instead to value going to college, for instance,
05:03:13.380
where useless degrees are handed out like they're candy?
05:03:18.060
In fact, it's so bad, the standards have gotten so low that anybody can do it.
05:03:23.140
College can't be about rewarding the best and the brightest or everybody couldn't get through college.
05:03:30.000
And so the standards have necessarily lowered in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
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A high school diploma is the equivalency of a high school education just 70 years ago.
05:03:41.060
So it's like, why shouldn't there be a national propaganda around a nuclear family and having children
05:03:47.260
instead of national propaganda and wasting your youth and your childbearing years going and getting a worthless degree
05:03:58.020
Because if you know that your true passion is being in this whatever occupation job that is,
05:04:04.700
and then you have a society pressuring you to have a kid, and you feel like, oh, I have to do this, I have to sacrifice this,
05:04:11.160
you're always going to regret not pursuing what you want to do, and that kid is going to know.
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That kid is going to know that you didn't do what you wanted to do.
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I mean, what do you think sacrifice is about, patriotism?
05:04:23.720
Do you think that many get drafted and have to go to war, right?
05:04:27.140
That they don't look back and go, oh, I could have done X and I could have done Y and I could have done Z?
05:04:33.920
There isn't such a thing in a nation as sacrifice for the nation.
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Why is this idea that everybody must endlessly pursue endless hedonism the best way instead of people pursuing what the greater good for the actual nation is?
05:04:48.000
That seems way wiser to me if you're going to propagandize an entire country.
05:04:53.620
Why not propagandize them towards procreation and having nuclear families and things which are really good for the health of the nation?
05:05:03.120
So you, okay, so you're being that as a grand scheme of things instead of in a particular family.
05:05:08.300
Because sometimes there are women and men who have kids and don't pursue something they wanted to do and that affects the family and that causes a generational trauma.
05:05:19.160
Because every human being on planet Earth has some pursuance that they weren't able to do.
05:05:23.840
The whole world is filled with failed rock stars and failed artists and failed, you know, professionals of all kinds who chased a dream that they were not able to achieve.
05:05:35.300
I mean, that's most people have some regret of something they weren't able to do.
05:05:39.660
And this kind of idea of that because people have kind of unachievable goals that we shouldn't kind of move society towards these achievable things, which most people can do, which have proven time and time again to increase the happiness levels of almost everybody around.
05:05:58.820
Okay, so you think for the greater good, it is important to pursue something that you don't want, even if that's going to make you and your family miserable, possibly.
05:06:15.740
If it necessarily was going to make people's families miserable, how could it be for the greater good?
05:06:23.000
Yes, so if it was for the greater good, the most amount of people would find it useful and the most amount of people would find this to be something which they would want to pursue.
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I mean, you were speaking about greater good and the way I understood you were speaking about the nation and perhaps even the world, how it would work better in the world.
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But then there are going to be those really unhappy families who just did this because that was the societal pressure.
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You would never in a million years, for instance, you would never say that there are going to be some people on planet Earth who perform better when they're doing drugs.
05:07:09.200
You would never say everybody should be able to do drugs because some people who do drugs perform better than others and have regrets they never did drugs.
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But I don't think drugs would affect anyone positively, to be honest with you.
05:07:35.280
Caffeine and sugar doesn't affect people positively?
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Oh, that's what I was about to say, unless you're talking about those things and, like...
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Like, do you mean something that was prescriptive or just you're going to go...
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There's all sorts of, like, for instance, you think narcotics, like painkillers, which are highly addictive, aren't highly useful to society?
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And so, like, this idea that, oh, wait a second, because some people would have preferred to have been on those drugs that we can't regulate or propagandize against them, that's insanity.
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This idea of endless hedonism and individualism with absolutely no thought to the greater society at whole is pure female solipsism.
05:08:25.100
Men seem to understand this very well, and the men I talk to go, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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But when you look at voting patterns, that's what those things move to.
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Patriotism, nuclear family, anti-degeneracy, that's what men vote for.
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Women vote purely around solipsism and let me do what I want, which is just crazy to me.
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If everyone understands that this is the optimal option, why do you think, especially in this day and age, there's so many people who disagree with that?
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Okay, I'm going to give you the answer, and you're not going to like it.
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For one reason, one reason only, because of women's suffrage.
05:09:00.540
Women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America, and women's voting patterns prove it.
05:09:05.800
And the truth of the matter is that women vote mostly against risk-taking, and because they vote mostly against risk-taking, they impede on people's freedoms.
05:09:18.040
And so individual people, men especially, who had the opportunity to vote out illegal immigration, keep the country exactly how they wanted it to be, that was all completely destroyed by female suffrage.
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Men, if only men had been able to vote in the United States of America, right now, the United States of America would be beyond the glorious, shining example on the hill.
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Every single time it's a vote for security over the freedom to actually pursue these higher values, women vote against it almost every single time.
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The primary problem is that the two sexes do not see eye to eye on what is valuable.
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And this is why I think that one's going to have to inevitably choose, and it'll always move back that way.
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All of this, what you see before you right now with egalitarianism, this will all reset eventually.
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Andrew, you're going to get canceled if you're talking like that, Andrew.
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I think I don't – I've never – actually, you know who knows this better than anybody?
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Feminist theorists know this better than anybody else.
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Feminists are the ones who came up with force doctrine.
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They were the ones who understood that men at any time collectively could take charge, and there was very little women could do.
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They knew all of this years and years before I was ever born, hundreds of years before I was born, in fact.
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They insisted – the feminists insisted that women had the right to vote, but when it came to women voting for the right to vote, they wouldn't let them do it because every time women had the opportunity to vote on their own voting rights, they voted against it every single time.
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We've been on this for a bit, but we do have one – the video and then a couple reactions.
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It's just the one we reacted to, I think, last week.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
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I went away with everything under the last boss, and it wasn't good for me at all, so I want guidance.
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But don't just, like, boss me around, you know?
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So, you want – I mean, he's talking in the workplace, but, like, this is what I see when women say they want a masculine man, dominant man, a man who's a leader, who has leadership characteristics, who takes initiative.
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You want all these traits, but you want to pick and choose.
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You want the man to be able to turn that shit on with a light switch.
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You only want him to be a leader in some contexts.
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In other contexts, you want him to be a good, submissive boy, pat him on the head.
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I mean, I don't think anything is black or white, generally.
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Like, you – I mean, if you want to talk about things like that, relationships, like, it just isn't.
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No, it doesn't have to be just one way or just the other way.
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And, first of all, I think that, like, you have masculinity and, like, femininity, let's say.
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And everyone's kind of, like, there on the spectrum, kind of, right?
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So, everyone's going to find someone that's, like, complementary to them.
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No, but, like, if you ask most women, like, they want a guy to take the lead, to take charge.
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In the dating context, you want the guy to make pretty much all the moves.
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And you want a man – oh, like, you see these memes.
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Like, I want a guy who's going to say, be ready at 7 p.m.
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But then you also kind of don't want – like, it's – they're totally mixed signals.
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And then, also, you say you want a leader, but, like, you don't want to follow is the big thing.
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In order for somebody to be able to lead, if you want a man who's a leader, you got to be a follower.
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You don't think you can sometimes be, sometimes not be?
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You don't think you can kind of, like, move around?
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You can, you can, but if you want the man to be a leader, I don't really think you can.
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If that's what you – like, yeah, there can be some dynamics like that.
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But if you want, broadly speaking, and I think women, broadly speaking, want men to be leaders.
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What you're saying is, like, they're contradictory with themselves.
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On a sort of biological evolutionary level, you're attracted to men who are leaders, who are confident, who take initiative, who are masculine, who are dominant, who have those leadership traits.
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But feminism has put it into your mind not to be a follower.
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If you want a leader, somebody's got to be the follower.
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And I can't lead with somebody who won't follow.
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But it doesn't mean that you must not have an opinion.
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It doesn't mean that you must not have an opinion.
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Like, I understand your synergy of, like, followers and a leader.
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But in any leader, follower, you still have, you're still going to have discussions.
05:15:59.520
You're still going to, just earlier you said, well, that's just weird.
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If I, if I'm, hold on, if I'm the CEO, if I'm the, if I'm the CEO of a corporation.
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It's not the, the, the employee should not be like.
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No, I'm, I'm using, I'm using an analogy to better articulate a point.
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Um, so my, no, not a, not an employee, but, uh, yeah.
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If she wants me to pay for the first date and do all this shit and be a leader and she
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But if you want to listen, ladies, if you want to start sliding into my DMS and hitting
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me up and paying for first dates and doing all this shit and moving things forward physically
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and sexually, then we can have a conversation about who should listen and who should be a
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I don't, I don't see how that equates to, to like not having an opinion, not, not like
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Like even earlier you said like someone that doesn't quarrel.
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I'm not saying you always, there's always going to be discussions.
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Well, whatever you want to call it, but like, you're never going to.
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Like, to want someone who's always going to agree with you.
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First of all, I would want to be challenged personally.
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I would want my boyfriend to want to be challenged so that we can like find, because for me, okay.
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So, but you guys, no, but you are, but I mean, if you talk about men, let's say like you're talking.
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I got to respond to the, you want to be challenged in a relationship.
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I don't, most men, we contend with the world in our lives, right?
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But if the home is not our recluse, if the home is not our peace and you're quarreling
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and nagging and just constant, constant conflict because you're challenging us, that's not a
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And I get that because my ex was kind of like that, but I'm saying like you're going to bump
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heads, heads, sometimes you're not going to always, you know, like I'm just saying it's
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going to happen, but there's a difference between that and like, yeah, always like creating
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Like, you know, you don't want a guy like that.
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But you like to just want to someone to constantly agree with you.
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It's like when you want, you don't want to, you don't want to know if you're wrong about
05:19:17.980
something or maybe you have to think something through a bit like further or like maybe there
05:19:25.460
Perhaps, perhaps if you don't mind, I would, I would like to just ask you two, two very simple
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Would you prefer to have a man who treated you more like an equal or who treated you
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more like he was in the dominant role and you were to be a submissive follower, which
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I'm not even a hundred percent sure because I haven't had a lot of relationships and I've
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So I, and I'm being honest, it's not that I don't want to answer.
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I'm just not sure what the synergy I would want to be in.
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Well, let me ask you the second, let me ask you the second question, as I understand your
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Do you think that most men would prefer their women to be in a submissive position or a dominant
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I agree that I think most men would prefer their women in a submissive role.
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And you agree with me that most men would prefer their woman in a submissive role.
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If that is true, then if you look for an equal role where you say, okay, wait a second, we're
05:20:40.400
Don't you necessarily narrow the field of men for yourself, like by an incredible amount,
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So when Brian says, it always sounds bad rolling off the top because we're so indoctrinated
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into egalitarianism, we're all interchangeable widgets and everybody's equal to everybody
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Clearly, though, you have a bit of life experience.
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Um, so, so the question then becomes, can't you value a person's opinion, but at the same
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Can't you say, I value what you're saying, but you're wrong and I'm going to do this
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anyway, because that's what's for the greater good of our family.
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Can't you value an opinion and dismiss an opinion?
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If, if like a message comes in, there was something covering them up, you can go to the
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Uh, so I was just, I, my, the end of my question is, can't you, at the same time you value
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I, I don't see the logic in dismissing an opinion that I value.
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If I value your opinion, I'm going to think about it.
05:22:18.160
But I dismiss the opinions of them all the time, right?
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Well, that's, that's a completely different scenario.
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My question to you was, can you value an opinion?
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But I just showed you how that's not illogical.
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But how do you, the way you value your kid's opinion is like, you know, that kids are,
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And the, it's different than the valuing of like your, your wife's opinion, right?
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I was just giving you a comparison, a very quick comparison to show you how you could value
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an opinion while at the same time dismissing it.
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You say, okay, this is valuable, but I outright dismiss it.
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Even though I care about your opinion, it doesn't mean your opinion is going to be correct,
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I don't see why that couldn't be applied in intersexual dynamics between men and women.
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So that's, I mean, that's what I'm saying is, yeah.
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So if we're, if we're looking at this objectively, when Brian says to you, well, wait, I want a woman
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You say most men want a woman who's submissive.
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Brian says, well, you should have an opinion, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to
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I don't see what you're actually disagreeing with.
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But I mean, I think it's the definition of value too, like in the sense of like when I
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talk about the valuing the opinion of like grown up adults, it's like, it's, it's, you
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value it because it's something that you can't actually like think about.
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And like, and again, it depends on situations, but like kids generally, like young kids, it's
05:24:22.900
like they're, you don't value it in something that can be, well, sometimes, yeah, it could
05:24:28.160
be tangible, but anyways, yes, your concept, I get your concept and yes, you can dismiss.
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You can really value an opinion and dismiss the opinion at the same time that you value
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And so the, what I, what I think happens, and this is just my opinion, but I think we have
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a lot of sloganeering where, especially under egalitarianism, we think a lot about the
05:24:56.060
It's like, yeah, I think your opinion does matter, but that doesn't mean that it's going
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to matter in every situation or that it shouldn't be dismissed and dismissed often because here's
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the thing you and I both know you you're, you're 39, you're not particularly young, right?
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A lot of people have a lot of opinions that are fucking stupid, right?
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So, I mean, and, and don't you dismiss those opinions all the time?
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Yeah, but I think we, like, this conversation goes back to our earlier conversation was like,
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but then we assume that like, because you're a man, then it's better.
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Well, then I'm going to ask you a couple other questions just to kind of figure this out,
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Would you say if you had to make the comparison, if you were on the spot, right?
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Which sex do you think is more logical and reasonable, men or women?
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If you think that men are more logical and reasonable, and you think that that is so,
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then why would my position of you should probably follow the logic and the reason be in any
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Well, first of all, I just don't think all men are logical and. . .
05:26:24.880
Yeah, more am I saying that all women are not logical and rational.
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Yeah, men generally are more logical than women, but I, and also, I don't think. . .
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Would you rather have a leader who is more logical and rational or more emotional?
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And you'd rather have a leader who is more logical and rational, and you think that men would
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prefer a submissive wife and you would prefer a leader, then it stands to reason to me
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My point is just . . . the way sometimes you talk about . . . or men talk about it, it's
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as if . . . or like . . . yeah, it's as if like . . . we shouldn't say anything.
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Like, it's just . . . it's improbable to just be with another human and just expect them to
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just never say anything, never get into conflict, never, like . . because that . .
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I think that that . . . I understand what you're saying.
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And to steal man it, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, what you're saying is, you hear
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a lot of rhetoric from different places which say, okay, we're going to just utilize women
05:27:29.260
as objects, or opinions don't matter, and they need to just do what the fuck they're
05:27:36.000
Yeah, if you go to the extreme, basically, of like, what we . . . or what women hear, I
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And I think that's the big pushback, generally.
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They don't say, we hate women's opinion, and we hate women, and we want them to all be
05:27:59.420
What they say instead is, this is the role that I want, the role that I want for you.
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I don't really hear women, or men, ever producing the rhetoric that women's opinions don't matter.
05:28:09.260
Rather, I hear feminist women claim that that's what men say.
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Ryan 07, Andrew, God bless you, thank you for shining the light on everything that I used
05:28:26.840
Question for the panel, what is the first thing you look for when visiting a new hotel?
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Do you take a blacklight with you to hotels, Brian?
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You know, maybe you got me thinking, maybe I've got to bring my own sheets and shit,
05:29:08.420
And I will flip the mattress just to check for bed bugs, you know?
05:29:22.520
What, are you doing fucking gang signs over there?
05:29:53.460
Listen, if I have to pick the, like, huge lesbian pink hair lunatic in my genie wish,
05:30:46.080
Now, to the women who said that you would prefer equality,
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I just wanted to kind of throw out what that would actually mean.
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Men expect to be treated the exact same way that they treat women.
05:31:17.560
Would that change your value assessment at all?
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So you want chivalry, but not at the expense of equality.
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So you guys would be in favor of, for example, women being drafted in the military?
05:31:51.260
So for me, I personally do believe that men are physically stronger than women.
05:31:57.040
I'm able to acknowledge these differences between genders.
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However, the question at hand was if I prefer this or that.
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I do think that physical standpoint is something different.
05:32:15.680
Because you're giving us a value judgment, you're saying between these two things, chivalry,
05:32:21.580
meaning that men are giving you all of the privileges that women get in society that men generally
05:32:26.560
give you, versus equality, meaning all those privileges are gone, but you can basically
05:32:37.160
I don't really know what else there would be, except you can just basically vote.
05:32:41.640
So you get that, but everything else is basically equalized, including the draft.
05:32:50.100
Like, you would have to get drafted at the same rates as men, fight in the front lines
05:32:54.500
If such a war came to pass, World War III, and you were drafted, would you go?
05:33:03.080
Would you let them strap you up with armor and send you to the front line?
05:33:07.780
If I have to do something like that, I'll do it.
05:33:10.960
And how do you think you would perform versus men?
05:33:13.140
I mean, like I said, I think there's a different physical capabilities for women and men.
05:33:22.040
I do still, like she said, acknowledge biology, and I understand that most women are-
05:33:33.740
Yeah, most likely you would do worse than the men.
05:33:35.300
And so doesn't it make more sense, then, if men are supposed to be the fighting force
05:33:42.340
and men are supposed to be people in those positions, that you don't have to be in those
05:33:46.520
positions, that they get additional privileges, not you?
05:33:51.000
Okay, but you're only bringing an example of, like, war situation, wars on situations.
05:34:00.720
Possibly more important than defending your nation against other nations.
05:34:04.840
If I was on the hierarchy of scale of what a government is supposed to do, the top priority
05:34:10.600
is going to be the protection of its citizens, right?
05:34:13.760
Yeah, that's going to be warfare, soldiers, force.
05:34:21.320
But what I'm speaking about is that, don't you think that, for example, like there's two
05:34:26.920
There's an emotional and just your intelligence and what you're able to do in a workforce
05:34:36.060
So perhaps men are more optimal to fight and protect the country, but there are other things
05:34:41.300
that women would be just as, if not more optimal to do in a normal workforce.
05:34:52.680
Other than reproduction, what is a woman going to ever be better at in any of these markets
05:35:03.300
If you're speaking on generalities, I had that exact same question impression, but I'm
05:35:08.500
I mean, I can't name you one, but I think that you-
05:35:13.200
So there's not a single thing that women are going to supersede men in, but men are
05:35:17.960
going to supersede women when it comes to force, but you deserve the privilege and not
05:35:23.160
What I'm saying is that women who do prefer equality, there's a reason why they prefer
05:35:26.440
that, because they understand that their value is in different areas of life other than
05:35:34.920
Yeah, but you're not really answering to the question.
05:35:40.800
If men are the ones who are tasked to defend the nation, and they're the ones who are going
05:35:45.020
to be tasked to do the force jobs, which they're tasked to do, why is it they don't
05:35:53.140
Your response to this was to say, well, that may be so, that men are equipped to do those
05:35:58.340
force jobs, but this does not mean that women could not excel in other jobs that men can't.
05:36:10.540
There, I don't know, like I don't have statistics of which gender does better which type of a
05:36:17.100
Well, I can tell you which ones there's more women in than men, and which ones there's
05:36:21.920
more men in than women, but even that wouldn't answer the question of which jobs women specifically
05:36:30.480
Well, actually, well, that's just an example about one of the societies, but in Malaysia,
05:36:36.340
there's actually a lot more women in computer science fields because they value their intellect,
05:36:45.500
We're going to, so without equivocation, men are better soldiers than women, yes?
05:37:01.180
I would say like a lot of social work, perhaps.
05:37:05.160
They're not, which social work are they better at?
05:37:08.960
Not that there's more of them, but they're better at it.
05:37:12.880
Like psychiatrists, everything that involves a lot of mental health.
05:37:16.540
How are women, and what makes women better at being psychiatrists than men?
05:37:22.620
Well, because they're more, I feel like if you're entering such a field, you have to
05:37:25.940
be able to be more empathetic, and we all agree that women are more empathetic.
05:37:30.860
And you also need to be very logical, and we agree that men are more logical.
05:37:36.700
I don't see how a man would not be just as good as a woman inside of the field of psychology
05:37:45.500
In fact, I think psychiatry-wise, there's actually more men in that field.
05:37:49.980
I think there's more women in the field of psychology.
05:37:53.300
Like I said, I don't have the exact statistics, and I'm not saying women would necessarily be
05:37:58.700
better, but from a physical standpoint, the only thing is that I know for a fact that men
05:38:06.120
But I don't think that you can pinpoint some other specific jobs and say one is better
05:38:13.120
So if that is the case, I would just agree with you, right?
05:38:19.460
Well, I think that there's some jobs we could say men are going to be better at it, right?
05:38:23.300
So for instance, I think men in general are going to be better at underwater welding.
05:38:27.660
I think they're going to be better at construction, at concrete laying.
05:38:32.220
I think that they're going to be better at an innumerable amount of jobs which require
05:38:39.480
However, I can't think of a single job which requires less physical strength that men are
05:38:49.300
I wouldn't say that these jobs women are better than men at, but some examples could
05:39:03.160
You mean, hang on, you mean the job that gay men have?
05:39:07.500
And that's how you get all of the fashion of the world is invented by men for women,
05:39:17.760
Okay, so another example that I thought of is you don't have to agree with this.
05:39:26.160
This is the case with including lifestyle, all of that.
05:39:35.540
So some jobs that I thought of are caretaking, nursing.
05:39:52.740
Hospitals are desperate to have male nurses because women do not have the physical strength
05:40:01.580
In the United States, there has been many, many such programs to de-stigmatize the gender
05:40:09.280
distinction in nursing so that men don't feel like they have to feel bad by going into
05:40:14.800
nursing because that's how desperate nursing stations are to have men.
05:40:20.540
Nobody would ever make the claim that female nurses are better than male nurses, only that
05:40:28.220
So how about patients who are dealing with dementia and Alzheimer's and things of that
05:40:34.680
Can you tell me what women are uniquely equipped to deal with when it comes to that that men
05:40:41.560
If we're going by the traditional roles that women and men represent, I do feel that women
05:40:45.400
are more empathetic and more nurturing and receptive.
05:40:48.160
Yeah, but a dementia patient's going to forget all about that, right?
05:40:55.480
But even if that's the case, that women are more empathetic than men, in all of those situations,
05:41:02.600
you would still need logic, reason, all of those other things, which you think that
05:41:06.060
men have the kind of, well, not the monopoly, but they're better at.
05:41:10.380
There's no way, you could never give me a trait set of why women would be better at taking
05:41:16.320
care of dementia patients than men without me being able to give you a trait set back
05:41:21.040
to say, okay, but this is why men would be better at it than women.
05:41:24.620
There are many jobs that need effectiveness and, you know, logic and reasoning, but there
05:41:30.240
are also jobs that exist that need that more patient and understanding kind of quality.
05:41:35.540
Well, that women teaching, nursing, teaching, teaching doesn't require logic and reason.
05:41:43.360
I would say teaching out of all the jobs you could think of requires logic and reason above
05:41:54.420
In my personal experience, maybe from kindergarten to, I guess, like middle school, it was mainly
05:42:01.580
more female teachers or at least like male teachers that embody that feminine energy.
05:42:07.020
Yes, I agree that there's more female teachers, but I don't understand the trait of empathy
05:42:11.160
for teaching, why that's more valuable than logic and reason.
05:42:17.420
I think that empathy go hand in hand with passion and with logic and reasoning.
05:42:22.080
You don't really need passion for whatever you're doing.
05:42:24.620
And if you don't have passion for your job, that can also be, I guess, transferred onto
05:42:30.580
the students that you're teaching and there's no effectiveness in teaching them either.
05:42:33.900
It's going to be passionate and very logical and reasonable.
05:42:39.080
You can be very passionate without having empathy for other people.
05:42:42.120
You can be like a passionate serial killer, passionate about what you're doing, but that doesn't
05:42:47.860
I don't understand, though, if you're going to teach people how to do X thing, isn't logic
05:42:53.980
and reason the thing you want above all other things?
05:43:04.100
I'm not saying you don't need to have these other things.
05:43:06.280
I'm just saying, wouldn't we value the logic and reason portion of teaching above everything
05:43:13.000
Well, I feel that I learned best, this is me personally, when a teacher was more passionate
05:43:19.080
about their job and they're not telling us to open our books to like page 91 logic.
05:43:23.440
Like, it has to be a mixture of both, but that is just my opinion.
05:43:31.000
I'm not saying they didn't use logic, but I'm saying that...
05:43:33.600
How does somebody like empathetically teach you math?
05:43:38.120
How would one go about empathetically figuring out how to teach a person mathematics?
05:43:44.900
You're trying to think, like, how I can make you feel the math?
05:43:51.800
Empathy is about being able to place yourself in other people's shoes.
05:43:55.080
So if there's students struggling with learning something, you would at least be able to...
05:43:59.320
You would at least need the empathy to at least be patient with them and to understand
05:44:04.800
Yeah, but how would you make them feel the math?
05:44:15.340
Let's pretend for a second that I'm, oh, I don't know, first grader,
05:44:23.020
What would be your first step to teaching me one plus one?
05:44:28.320
So for me, is it just one student that I'm teaching or is it a whole class?
05:44:33.460
And what is their, I guess, like, capacity of...
05:44:37.220
They have a normal capacity of a first grader, whatever that is.
05:44:45.760
Blows my mind that people think empathy is an overwhelming need in taking care of people
05:44:56.400
Yeah, I tend to agree with that, but I'm going to leave that aside for right now, Big Sass.
05:45:01.560
But if you're teaching a student one plus one, what do you think step one would be?
05:45:06.300
And that's why I did mention more other careers outside of math.
05:45:09.900
Like, I feel like you're using math because there's a lot of logic involved.
05:45:13.260
Let's start with it because you mentioned teaching.
05:45:17.360
You're trying to teach me the battle of the bulge.
05:45:21.700
So, for me, I'm talking about careers or teaching when it involves, like, arts, fine arts.
05:45:28.100
I feel like when you use science or history or things that have answers to it.
05:45:41.980
Like, I can't actually think of anything in regards to teaching where you wouldn't value reason and logic above everything else.
05:45:54.320
And I'm willing to give you the floor to demonstrate to me that I'm incorrect by just telling me any, pick any teaching subject you can possibly think of and tell me what step one to it would be.
05:46:09.080
Well, English and step one would be, for example, like, there are different English classes.
05:46:17.160
I just recently took literary device or, like, poetry, and you would need to feel that and be passionate about what and be able to understand.
05:46:31.220
I would first preface by saying that there's no wrong answers in poetry.
05:46:38.900
I would allow my students to kind of first, like, read through a poem and be able to, like, freely think and express what they truly feel from the poem.
05:46:51.460
And then based off that, we would have a discussion.
05:46:53.600
I don't understand, teacher, Edgar Allan Poe's poem here.
05:47:54.160
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05:48:21.860
Guys, it's been a minute since we last saw the Prime.
05:48:46.400
Try to get through a bunch of this as quick as possible.
05:49:01.960
I mean, we saw like old you and young you, so it's pretty much the same.
05:49:17.360
It's just like the inside edition thing, and then there's...
05:49:33.300
We have the publish list, and then the catcalling's turned, and then we have TikTok, and that's it.
05:49:41.540
Yeah, we'll save those for another day just because we're limited on time.
05:49:44.880
Here are a couple of rapid-fire questions going around the table.
05:50:10.900
I mean, there's a couple different definitions.
05:50:15.960
We would ask you first, what would you define as a feminist?
05:50:20.240
Well, feminism is about wanting equal rights between men and women, right?
05:50:49.040
That's the most charitable definition I would ever give it.
05:50:58.280
There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but to parade feminism as an equality movement is laughable.
05:51:06.220
Nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not pretend like feminists really give a fuck about equality.
05:51:14.500
The actual definition of it is, I think it's woman's advocacy plus a man-hating ideology.
05:51:26.540
That's my, that's my, that's what I think it is.
05:51:34.340
So, charitable would be the, the, the, the nicest.
05:51:41.220
But wouldn't you say that that's a definition when it comes to radical feminists instead of like genuine feminism?
05:51:48.580
Well, I can ask you a couple of questions to clarify this.
05:51:51.700
Do they, uh, is patriarchy theory a core tenant of feminism, even normal mainstream feminism?
05:52:01.720
Is patriarchy a core tenant of mainstream feminism?
05:52:14.720
I think what, I think you need to explain what it's the, what's the core, core ten or whatever you said.
05:52:26.160
Okay, that's what, I don't think she understood that.
05:52:31.440
And this ideology, ideology teaches primarily women what?
05:52:45.420
Do you think that the patriarchy has to do with an oppressor, oppressed narrative?
05:52:59.180
Okay, do you think women were oppressed historically then?
05:53:02.380
But they're no longer oppressed in any capacity to this day?
05:53:10.040
Uh, but you do think they were oppressed historically?
05:53:14.500
And so, but you're, but you believe there's a patriarchy.
05:53:19.940
Is this, does this patriarchy have a tendency to oppress women?
05:53:23.520
So for me, I just, I, I personally believe in, according to like the definition of feminism,
05:53:30.200
that it's just about advocating for women's rights when there is some sort of inequality.
05:53:36.840
And so I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
05:53:44.740
But I just feel like what you're defining is only going after, I guess, the, like, stereotypical feminist who's very radical in their beliefs.
05:54:00.020
So every single university in this country, college, whatever, every single one has a feminist study, gender study, women's studies program, right?
05:54:09.840
If you take Feminism 101, or whatever, the introduction to feminism, the lecture, whatever it is, do they teach you about patriarchy and female oppression?
05:54:27.200
And so it sets up an oppressor, oppressed narrative.
05:54:33.980
If you teach swaths of young women that men are to blame for everything, it's men who are the oppressors, and women are the oppressed, and women collectively are oppressed, and men collectively are the oppressors, are women supposed to feel positive or think positive things towards the oppressor class?
05:54:58.480
I don't think that's the objective, though, with true feminism.
05:55:01.320
If you take any feminism class, the words patriarchy, oppression, oppressed, oppressor, are going to come up.
05:55:19.740
According to feminist theory, men are the oppressors, right?
05:55:26.400
Do the oppressed get to have contempt for the oppressor?
05:55:33.700
Do the oppressed have to overcome the oppressor?
05:55:38.380
Do the oppressed have to defeat or, in some way, uh...
05:55:50.080
So this is a narrative that is taught to vast swaths of women, and it teaches women to hate men, and have contempt for men, and view men as having historically put on some sort of injury onto women.
05:56:09.320
Women have a historical and even current day grievance, a significant grievance, women as a group, towards men as a group.
05:56:20.160
So, I think that this would teach women to either have bias, on the low end, bias or bigotry against men, or on perhaps the more extreme end, have contempt or hatred towards men.
05:56:36.300
So that's why that's my sense of what feminism is.
05:56:39.660
Okay, I didn't know what we were agreeing to was your definition of feminism, rather than...
05:56:44.160
But I just walked you through it, and you agreed with me on all these things when it comes to the oppressor-oppressed dynamic.
05:56:53.620
Well, and I think it's fine to say, like, if you have a different definition or what you think feminism is, as opposed to what Brian just said, I think it's fine for you to tell us what that is.
05:57:05.720
I mean, for me, I do believe feminism is about advocating, like you mentioned, more for any, like, inequalities or even, like, advocating for women because of just almost, like, lifting up the women empowerment movement, in a sense.
05:57:29.420
And that doesn't have to come at the demise of men, but that is only when it happens in a more radical, I guess, violent way that maybe stereotypical feminists do.
05:57:47.280
It literally sounded to me like you just kind of agreed with Brian's definition of feminism, to be honest with you.
05:57:55.020
The only, like, kind of caveat that you threw in there was they don't have to be violent to overthrow the oppressor, but Brian never included that in his definition.
05:58:04.520
He just said, if there's an oppressed group, it is the oppressed group's duty to throw off the oppressor.
05:58:10.960
It sounds like you kind of agree with that, right?
05:58:13.660
I just don't think there's anything wrong with...
05:58:17.020
I guess, like, I almost feel like the feminism is when you acknowledge your role as a woman, a female within society, and being able to uplift other women in that manner, and I guess, like, advocating for any inequalities if they find some.
05:58:39.280
But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
05:58:47.300
You think that female advocacy is perfectly acceptable, right?
05:58:51.520
Okay, so when men advocate for men, is that also perfectly acceptable?
05:59:01.540
Feminism, I follow other women because they give me power.
05:59:05.160
Power from the oppression that doesn't exist, but because the media keeps telling me that it does exist, I'm gonna keep yelling about it.
05:59:16.220
Yeah, it's very kind of you to send in the dollars there.
05:59:23.340
You think it's okay for men to advocate for men, too, right?
05:59:27.100
So what happens when women advocate for women and men advocate for men, and we come to different conclusions as to how each should be treated?
05:59:36.140
So I'm almost thinking of the example of when men are able to recognize that society makes it so that they're supposed to repress their emotions, and that's why there's such a high unalive rate with men.
05:59:54.140
Well, hang on, I want to correct something very quickly.
05:59:58.560
Actually, men and women try and attempt to unalive themselves at about the same rate.
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So they take the final solution, they grab the pistol, and women take pills and shit like that.
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But men just happen to be far better at doing it.
06:00:17.100
So if a woman says, I want to be unalive today, and a man says, I want to be unalive today, they do try to off themselves at the same rates, roughly the same.
06:00:31.160
Right, but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I was going to say.
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It's that when men are able to recognize the, I guess, the reality of between man to man, what they go through in their day-to-day life because of them being a man, I don't think there's anything wrong with advocating for one another.
06:00:49.260
Yeah, sure, but what if they say, okay, well, the reason we're going through all this is because those women fucking suck.
06:00:54.260
But that's why I also said that I don't believe that it's all people who are that radical when it comes to feminism, and I wouldn't agree with that.
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You go to any university, you take an intro to feminism class, they're going to teach you patriarchy theory.
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They're going to teach you the oppressor-oppressed dynamic between men and women, and they're going to say men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed.
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There are still feminists who are actually, you know, like, thinking how she defined it.
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That, you know, just advocating for women's rights.
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In the same way, men should probably do that too.
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But the thing is that I think we both agree that there's fundamental issues in the mainstream feminism, like you mentioned, and there are some things that need to be changed.
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Because the matter of fact is, right now, it's not a patriarchy anymore.
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So there is some things that need to be changed.
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I almost think that feminists need to heal from the fact that we got out of this hole, you know, now it's more equal.
06:02:04.120
But as an idea of equality, that's what you meant.
06:02:10.820
Well, I mean, my pushback there, just one little nitpick, is when feminists say feminism's about equality, and I say the most charitable definition is it's a woman's advocacy movement.
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If there's a form of equality where women don't stand to benefit or it comes to women's detriment, but it's equality, feminists won't fight for it.
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So you're not, feminism's not an equality movement.
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And this is just, I mean, the perfect example is just forced military conscription.
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We've had over 100 years of women being able to vote.
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For men to be able to vote, we have to be subject to forced military conscription.
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We've got to register with the Selective Service.
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100 years, women are not, feminists are not saying, equalize forced military conscription.
06:03:01.940
And in that time period, we've had numerous, World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War, men were drafted in these wars.
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Men would still be alive had they not been drafted.
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There are men who are still alive who were drafted, who have terrible injuries.
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I'm talking specifically about Vietnam, who are still alive, who've got PTSD, all this kind of stuff.
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And so I don't really think feminists are, like, striving for equality.
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And if that means fighting for equality and that gets women benefits, they'll do it.
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But you'll never fight for equality if it could conceivably come to the detriment of women.
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And I don't think you can actually make an argument against that because the glaring example is forced military conscription.
06:03:57.980
I think it would, being drafted for anybody is a detriment to one's life if you're drafted into the military.
06:04:05.780
I think it's hard to argue that it's not a detriment.
06:04:10.280
It would be a detriment to women if they were subject to military conscription and all the negative ramifications that come with either being drafted
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or if you don't register for the Selective Service, there's various issues that can arise there.
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But where are the feminists in the streets, like, oh, I want to be drafted?
06:04:40.280
Okay, so then when you said the charitable definition was women's advocacy, then putting that aside, like, the equality or fighting for equality,
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wouldn't that just be, like, more of a movement to empower other women?
06:04:59.940
Sure, but you can't parade it around as an equality movement when it's not.
06:05:08.480
Well, I have a very quick question I'd like to ask everybody on the panel.
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Get everybody to participate while we're on the topic of feminism.
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So, just very briefly, I would like to kind of tell you guys a few things.
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You are aware that women couldn't have credit cards until very recently, and they couldn't
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Well, actually, I'm going to pull up the exact date, just so you have it.
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So, I think that this was, let's see, yeah, 1974, looks like.
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So, 1974, before they could have credit cards, right?
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Do you guys agree that that's fundamentally unfair?
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In the 1950s, when women couldn't have these things,
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can I get a show of hands of the women here who think that relationships right now in
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the year 2024 are more stable and better than they were in the 1950s, just by a show
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Can I get a show of hands of the women who think that the relationships in the year 2024
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Do you think that the relationships in the year 1950 were more or less stable than they
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Do you think that they were more stable in the 1950s?
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And do you think in the year 2024 that relationships are less stable than they were in the 1950s?
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So, can you explain, can any of you explain to me why it would be in a million years that
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even though women were suffering under this type of horrific oppression, that relationships
06:08:05.220
were better under that oppression than they are right now when women are the most liberated
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Do you think that they were stably bad or do you think that the relationships were better?
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When you talk to your grandparents, do they tell you how horrible things were or do they
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Honestly, like I had a lot of mixed opinions on that.
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Most of the time you talk to people who are older than you, especially significantly older
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In every conceivable way I can think of, it's not nostalgia, they were better.
06:08:51.280
But I think that has to do something with, also like I mentioned before, with social media
06:08:54.940
and people feeling like they have to put up a face and all that stuff.
06:09:03.940
That's really weird because the internet is a recent invention.
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People, don't you think people in the 90s, so let me ask you this.
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Do you think relationships were better or worse?
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So now, moving forward, right, you hit the internet age.
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You think that the internet age is what destroyed everything?
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Well, I don't think it's the only reason, but there's a big influence in that 100%.
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What is the thing about social media that destroyed everything between men and women?
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People try to portray themselves as someone they're not in social media.
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Everyone's are constantly trying to one-up each other.
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So what's the number one reason that you think things were better back then?
06:10:25.480
And by the way, the reason I brought this example up is because in the year 1980, women had those
06:10:34.120
They had those equalities, and yet you still say that the relationships were better, even
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And what is the thing about the internet that has messed relationships up?
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There's more easy access to more people because of the internet.
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So therefore, you're looking at more people than they did back then, where back then they
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And so therefore, that traditional marriage or traditional kind of love is dying out.
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People see that they have more options now, even if that's not the case.
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They're like, oh, there's this guy or this girl, and there's this...
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Okay, so you think that the entirety of relationship dynamics have been destroyed, not because of
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the feminist move for women to become empowered snobs, but rather because women have more choices
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They're going for a select group of men, maybe?
06:11:38.920
I think men also have those choices as well, and maybe I can consider...
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It's still more easily accessible for men with the internet.
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If you were localized and there was only 50 women who were in your community versus 50 men,
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right, wouldn't the women be far more accessible to the men and the women to the men?
06:12:11.420
Well, now it's a buffet, but let me ask you a question.
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Do you think on a dating app that a guy who's as attractive as you are just for a male as
06:12:22.040
opposed to a female, do you think that you get more people DMing you or he gets more people
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So that means that from the sexual selection perspective, you have way more options than
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Like, if you guys had to do, like, a competition, like, just to fuck it or whatever, like, who
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I don't like those two words in the same sentence.
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But, um, I'm, I would say, I guess, I guess me.
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Like, you would, but, but it wouldn't, it's not even a competition, right?
06:13:21.540
Yeah, and I can't not acknowledge the fact that, like, it's true that when you see, like,
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a woman's, like, dating profile versus a man's, and they could be equally attractive, it's
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always the women that get more matches, and I'm not going to deny that, but I do feel
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that because of the internet, it does still make it easily, more easily accessible to
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There's a lot of men who prefer to not commit to a lot of women anymore.
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Like, that's pretty common in this day and age.
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Yeah, but those men, I mean, most, wait, most men aren't willing to commit to a woman?
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But, but also, like, because I feel like, like, most men are invisible to y'all.
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Like, most, you, most men, you wouldn't even consider, whereas, like, most men, most men
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Most women definitely do not find most men attractive.
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Name one right you don't have that men do at this point in time.
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Yeah, well, what we were, um, what I was getting at, we were, we were, like, we were right there,
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is the idea that if the internet has messed things up and sexual selection for women is very high,
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then how come men are having such a hard time finding women?
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I feel like nowadays women are, I can't deny the fact that women now have this mindset, like, as a collective, um, I'm not saying I relate to it, but it is the truth where women are, like, oh, independent and, like, I don't need a man kind of energy.
06:15:36.320
So, therefore, men also have, like, proven, or not proven, but it's, it's, like, I guess, in a study where men have said that they're more intimidated by women nowadays because of the rejection that they'll face or this, um, fear of being seen as, like, a creep or something.
06:15:52.700
Yeah, you have 100 DMs for every one DM a man might get, possibly 1,000, possibly 500, right?
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But it's going to be significantly more, right?
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Men are going to DM you significantly more than you DM them, right?
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Do you think that it's possible that most of the women are responding to the same type of man?
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So, if you have a, this giant pool of men to select from now that you didn't have before, and now you can select for the, the top tier ones that you want, they're over six foot two, perhaps, they make a lot of money, they're very good looking, do you think that women would compete over those men?
06:16:47.160
And do you think if they were localized, uh, and they, they only knew about the men in their local area, pre-internet, they wouldn't have to compete, right?
06:17:06.160
Localized competition, meaning it's not a buffet, right?
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If you get a hundred DMs, you can go through one hundred guys and pick and choose, right?
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So, doesn't it stand to reason that if men are having trouble finding women, that women are going for this kind of top tier of men?
06:17:29.460
I still will stand by, like, the fact that I do believe both men, men and women have more access to dating and having more of a variety when it comes to dating due to the internet.
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And I'm not saying one is, like, getting it more...
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But I'm saying we both have grown with variety due to the internet at different scales.
06:17:59.100
Okay, but again, I'm going to ask you this again.
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If men get no DMs from women and you get 500 DMs from men, who has the selection buffet, men or women?
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And does it stand to reason that they would go for the best looking and the ones who were the best looking and made the most amount of money?
06:18:26.560
Yeah, and it would stand to reason that men would go for, like, the hottest women, right?
06:18:31.980
Okay, so then if that is the case, couldn't it be possible that women are just really all competing over a small select group of men?
06:18:46.900
And the idea here is that I agree with you that the internet is what destroyed dating.
06:18:51.640
I just wanted to kind of walk you through how it did.
06:18:55.140
Absent localization, right, meaning we live in a farm town in the 1950s, there's only 30 women to choose from, right?
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And those women don't have access to men external, those same men in the farm town,
06:19:10.680
so they're going to only have X amount to pick from.
06:19:13.100
But what happens when we open up that global market?
06:19:16.440
Well, now all women can compete for 10%, 5% of men, right?
06:19:35.320
Wait, these girls got to answer the question, too.
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How many DMs have you gotten in your whole life?
06:20:08.240
Also, I'm from, you know, I'm older, so, like, in the days, it was very different, but, yeah.
06:20:13.280
And now that I'm older, then it's not the same thing.
06:20:34.320
Um, dude, I don't even count, because, like, I don't really care about it too much.
06:20:39.400
Well, I mean, you don't need to give me a precise number, but over a thousand?
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And, wait, was it, like, nobody dudes, or was it clouded, like, famous dudes?
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She didn't give me away, because she doesn't even know who I, like, DM.
06:21:18.080
Well, actually, no, people that I would probably slide in DMs for would be, like, either, like,
06:21:23.500
I'm interested in them, so people in school, that I think are, like, kind of cute.
06:21:27.640
But have you ever slid into, like, a famous guy's DMs?
06:21:36.380
No, actually, technically, I wasn't trying to slide.
06:21:38.780
Like, he was trying to ask for, like, um, like, ideas for his, like, video, and I was
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He's probably, he's probably, like, like, 150K.
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I don't really use social media that much, but, I mean, the answer is still the same.
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I don't receive very many, and I never send any.
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There's no way you walked off this show and did not receive DMs.
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I don't think her Instagram was even in the thing.
06:23:04.720
If they're interested, they're going to ruthlessly hunt them down and send them a DM.
06:23:34.500
If you're looking at that, if you understand that women are receiving, you know, thousands
06:23:41.580
or hundreds more DMs than men are, then this necessarily would show that you have a much
06:23:50.980
wider kind of array of men to choose from than, you know, men have women, right?
06:24:10.400
But it gives you still this huge option men don't have, right?
06:24:15.940
But so, yeah, women have more options to, you know, perhaps hook up, but not necessarily
06:24:27.540
And let's see if this actually passes the test.
06:24:30.340
So, do you think that a man who wants to hook up with you is more likely to be interested
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in a relationship with you than a man who didn't want to hook up with you?
06:24:39.480
Like a man who's not sexually attracted to you?
06:24:42.040
No, I mean, both of them, of course, would want to hook up regardless of that.
06:24:46.340
But a man who's sexually attracted to you is going to be more likely to be interested in
06:24:52.820
I'm sure most of DMs we get are like really, you know, we were so hot or something like
06:25:00.760
So, those men would be more likely to be interested in you for dating as well, right?
06:25:06.040
I don't think so because I feel like if you start a conversation like this, you're kind
06:25:17.160
Oh, man, that really sounds like that guy just really hates your guts.
06:25:23.840
But in this day and age, most of the guys who DM, they don't want to pursue anything.
06:25:32.860
Maybe they end up liking your personality, but that's not their...
06:25:40.360
And so, if women are all getting the same DMs from the same guys, let's say, why wouldn't
06:25:46.540
they gravitate towards the best looking and the tallest and the most handsomest and all
06:25:50.980
of that, why wouldn't they gravitate towards those same men?
06:25:56.900
Yeah, so now you've run into the problem of hypergamy.
06:26:01.060
And hypergamy is showing, okay, now the marketplace is completely open, but now those top tier men,
06:26:09.060
all the women are pursuing them, and all of the other men, they're not getting pursued.
06:26:15.160
And they're not pursuing because they can't compete with that higher echelon of men.
06:26:21.100
That's why the entirety, the reason the entirety of the dating market is screwed is because
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of this one principle of localization versus globalization when it comes to dating.
06:26:31.000
I just think that's a phenomenon that existed before two.
06:26:37.700
Where did this phenomenon exist before the internet?
06:26:40.460
Like, you know, like that the hottest men are...
06:26:44.420
No, I mean, like, that's not just an internet thing that, like, women are the gatekeepers
06:26:52.020
and they're going to receive, they're going to be hit on more than, like, men are going
06:26:59.460
The idea here is not that women are going to get hit on more than men.
06:27:03.520
The idea here is that if you only have a localized pool of men to choose from, you're going to
06:27:15.620
So, let's say there's 100 men that you can choose from.
06:27:29.220
Once you have access to 20 million, right, who's going to say I'd only rather have 100
06:27:37.040
But ultimately, like you said, the hottest men or whatever are going to have their first
06:27:42.480
So, they're going to pick the hottest women or, like, whatever, right?
06:27:46.340
So, then women will have to go to the rest of the pool anyways at some point, right?
06:27:53.220
After they've had sex with that higher tier man.
06:27:57.480
And all of these different women have had sex with that higher tier man.
06:28:03.840
Some men have body counts into the several hundreds to thousands, right?
06:28:09.660
It's because many women are gravitating towards that same select group of men.
06:28:17.500
But if you're holding out for that man, what happens to you?
06:28:22.200
And so, that's why women get married later in life.
06:28:28.140
But they were gravitating towards that higher tier, right?
06:28:36.000
That's how women nowadays kind of value themselves.
06:28:40.820
And I think that's, like, the deeper root problem.
06:28:44.900
Where, like, you think if you have sex with this dude that doesn't really give a fuck
06:28:48.580
about you and it's not going to give you something stable, long-term, whatever.
06:29:00.480
Anyways, my point is, like, the values, the core values are not at the right place.
06:29:11.400
But descriptively, I'm just talking about what is happening.
06:29:14.240
What is happening is that we've opened up the marketplace for dating.
06:29:17.840
And you can date a guy right now in Ohio, right?
06:29:22.700
And in the 1950s, how would you have communicated with a guy from Ohio?
06:29:26.720
How would you have even met him or known how he existed?
06:29:32.740
Would you have just done, like, long-distance letter writing to each other after you happened
06:29:37.360
to stumble into him in your local community, right?
06:29:42.740
But right this second, if a guy from Ohio DMs you who's 6'2 and six figures, boy, it's
06:29:51.200
And before internet, like, people had to actually, like...
06:29:55.320
Like, it takes way more guts to go to a person in person than to DM a little message online.
06:30:05.920
So, the commitment's already way more when you're, like, okay, you know, it's either
06:30:10.300
you meet the person in a bar or, like, I mean, whatever, right?
06:30:12.620
But in physical form, then you have, like, you know, you gotta get, like, either the
06:30:18.940
So, that already creates, like, someone that value you is way more than just DMing you
06:30:27.440
Well, as somebody points out, they say, what about pen pals?
06:30:30.960
Well, I think that pen pals existed, sure, but you had to meet them.
06:30:34.440
Like, you had to still meet them locally somewhere.
06:30:41.920
You can go on a dating profile and you can post you.
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You can be like, here's my face and here's my body and I like hiking and walks on the
06:30:57.840
And so, this is the, if you want to know what destroyed all of dating, it's not really
06:31:05.380
I think that women's liberation and all of this type of thing leads to the idea of basically
06:31:14.500
reducing the moral grounding to the point where women will engage in hypergamy.
06:31:19.440
But I think the internet's what destroyed dating.
06:31:27.680
I'm just to hopefully get through as much as we can here.
06:31:34.900
But I'm showing you a bigger problem, which is hypergamy.
06:31:38.620
And that's what you weren't alluding to, right?
06:31:45.640
Let me just get through the couple things that we need to get through.
06:31:51.840
Do you guys think men are insecure if they care about body count?
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Like them being insecure about like our body count.
06:32:16.360
Do you think men are insecure if they care about body count?
06:32:39.120
So, do you think body count, like, doesn't matter or shouldn't matter?
06:33:08.480
No, I was just more like looking at you and seeing your reaction to your friend who you
06:33:31.960
But, yeah, I actually made a list because of this show.
06:33:35.860
Well, because I was like, I was like, yeah, I was like, I was like, oh, holy shit.
06:33:48.860
But I have the list and it's like, honestly, it's like over.
06:34:03.560
I feel like at that point, like, if you're making a list, like, you're probably, like,
06:34:30.780
Yeah, you were saying, like, you think about some, and you kind of do, and the things,
06:34:33.960
like, as I started doing it, like, two days, like, you know, like, your brain keeps working
06:34:39.040
when you're not, like, thinking about it, and I was like, oh, fuck, yeah.
06:34:41.720
And some guys, I didn't remember names, and some guys...
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I'm going to be honest with this, because it's not cool, but, you know, I was a problematic...
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Like, some guys, I was like, did I, or did I not?
06:34:56.520
And I don't think, yeah, and, like, I don't think I could have talked about it now, like,
06:35:00.860
yeah, you know, after one year of sobriety, I don't think I would have been ready, but
06:35:04.020
now it's like, fuck, it's such, like, so long ago, but, yeah, it's not, I'm not proud
06:35:10.120
Did you go, did you do chronologically for the list?
06:35:13.080
I try, you kind of do, because, you know, you need to do the list, yeah.
06:35:17.800
Yeah, but then, then it comes back, and then also some, come, some guys I had to write,
06:35:26.200
No, but then it would come back later, and I was like, oh, but, um...
06:35:41.540
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
06:36:02.240
I just feel like it doesn't have anything to do with the conversation, because I agree
06:36:07.220
Well, I mean, that's fair, but it does kind of have to do with the conversation, but if
06:36:44.580
You're telling stories about S-ing the D and shit?
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You said, man, my friend, I gotta tell her, like, she can't be S-ing the D too soon.
06:37:23.800
Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear?
06:37:33.000
Is it a room or are we talking about the woods?
06:37:36.660
You get spawned into the woods and then there's a button, two buttons, and you can press one
06:37:42.160
button, a random man spawns or a random bear spawns.
06:37:50.320
I mean, a bear is in its element when it's in the woods.
06:37:55.120
But because it's the random spawn, why is the man in the forest?
06:38:00.320
He just randomly gets, he was in his office in fucking Chicago.
06:38:16.300
So, you can't be like, why is this motherfucker in the woods?
06:38:18.960
You just press the button and that's why he's in the woods.
06:38:34.160
I'll exclude Alaska and Hawaii because it's not contiguous.
06:39:35.140
I'm just going to go in there and tell them what happened.
06:39:50.900
I think they're just trying to figure out the Discord.
06:39:56.700
So, okay, you pick bear because they're cute and cuddly.
06:40:18.820
So, you know, if you get shot and you die, you're like a victim, kind of?
06:40:50.940
Wrong for a man to not want to date a trans woman?
06:41:56.880
Yeah, there are some women that are stronger than some men.
06:42:17.480
Yeah, but generally speaking, men are taller, right?
06:43:27.520
I think as of lately, yeah, based on just like passing conversations, hearing other people
06:43:38.240
talk, and I'm like, ooh, okay, I mean, yeah, that's a little extreme, but...
06:44:40.880
Like, you wouldn't do close fists, but you'd smack him, right?
06:44:47.600
Yeah, I could definitely beat him in a fight, because women are stronger than men.
06:45:02.280
Just letting you know, if it's misdemeanor battery, the statute, even misdemeanor battery,
06:45:09.420
You've only been dating the guy for four months.
06:45:11.100
Just wait six more months so you can admit to being a man-beater, okay?
06:45:51.480
You don't gotta give me date range, start, end.
06:46:33.960
I think, was it World War II being 1940, 1950, and then World War I was, like, 1930, 1990, yeah.
06:46:50.560
Um, maybe 1922 for World War I, and for World War II, 1954.
06:47:18.760
No, because I'm thinking about when my grandma was deported.
06:47:24.880
Well, my grandma, she was deported from Estonia to Russia, and that was during the 1940s.
06:47:31.040
So, I'm just going to say World War II was 1940s.
06:48:37.320
I'm going to get through the notes really quick.
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We're going to do a roast session, then we're going to wrap the show.
06:48:56.360
Do you guys want to share the conversation you guys are...
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J'aime les canadiens plus que les français, c'est sûr.
06:51:15.860
Je dois un jour retourner à France parce que la France est aussi perdue.
06:51:30.440
Eh bien, donc, j'ai besoin, j'ai besoin de retourner à France parce que je devais, devais,
06:52:18.340
La France est perdue et je vais faire tout mon possible pour changer le destin, l'avenir
06:53:05.540
You said you come from a culture of bars and restaurants, so getting fucked and fucking
06:53:09.000
and kissing anybody, everybody, each other and thinking that this is just the norm, trying
06:53:14.100
to find love in the worst places, people, because the concept of love that you have is
06:53:19.200
But there's the recovery, growth, and wisdom that come from a past.
06:53:22.360
And I feel that's a very important part of dating that is rarely touched on, the fact
06:53:27.280
that humans question themselves, hopefully lull, and become better and wiser even than
06:53:38.300
You were working in bars and restaurants and clubs, getting...
06:53:49.920
Like, no, in the bathroom or whatever, but it's like, everybody gets so shit-faced.
06:53:57.180
Like, there's no kind of importance in it, you know?
06:54:01.620
Like, being with someone, there's an intimacy, there's something special about it.
06:54:10.400
And then you also said, I have an ex-narcissist, oh, boyfriend who destroyed my self-esteem.
06:54:15.780
On a positive note, forced me to rebuild myself and take my take of reality and regain confidence
06:54:22.600
Could also be interesting to talk about the man I fell in love with when I was 25, but
06:54:26.140
I was getting fucked up on booze and cheated on him and broke up with him, even if I loved
06:54:33.760
So, again, like, that culture of, like, the drinking and, like, going out and kissing anybody,
06:54:41.160
whatever, it's like, I had a really good guy that I really loved and he really loved me,
06:54:45.340
but I was just so caught up in, you know, but just, like, a shitty self-esteem and, like,
06:54:51.140
that's why, like, it comes going, like, drinking and kissing and fucking, it's like, you, it's
06:55:03.840
And you think that the only way to get love, or you think that love means that you have
06:55:11.140
Like, when you give sex, this is when you have value.
06:55:17.480
And when you have that very messed up concept, then you, you mess, you could mess up really,
06:55:27.120
And I think it, because, like, with that comes, like, this idea of, like, the emancipation,
06:55:33.240
you know, woman, like, it's like you're liberating, liberating to, to have sex and just be, like,
06:55:53.220
Yeah, I think you're talking about a redemption song.
06:56:03.400
But, like, you know, this, yeah, I just think this idea that, like, you're just, you love
06:56:07.660
casual, you don't need anything, you don't want anything from men, I just think it's
06:56:13.260
And I think alcohol really messes up with that whole thing, because when you drink, you
06:56:20.140
In your notes, you did also say that, uh, why I wasn't ready to accept a good man like
06:56:26.500
this, and how the, the guy you cheated on, uh, that you loved, uh, and how I messed everything
06:56:32.180
up because I was partying and lost and just unable to communicate, didn't understand myself,
06:56:36.600
didn't know how to care for someone or how to let someone care for me.
06:56:39.840
As long as you don't love yourself properly, you can't be in a relationship.
06:56:43.840
There's all this backstory to why you choose every single person you date, what are you
06:56:47.420
getting from them according to the concept of love you have and what you learned from
06:56:52.240
You said, I'd love to talk about honesty towards oneself.
06:56:57.680
Um, you said modern dating, I'm going to skip that one, but you said, uh, modern dating is
06:57:05.880
It demands the least amount of effort and it doesn't focus on what you really need.
06:57:15.400
Like sometimes you can like cop a In-N-Out burger, you know?
06:57:19.800
I just think it depends what you're looking for, right?
06:57:22.200
Like it's still fast food, but like it's at least a, like, it's like good ingredients,
06:57:35.440
But how, how really is going to like, you should choose things in life that really
06:57:41.000
That makes you feel, you know, that, that makes you grow.
06:58:10.060
You said you're, in your pre-show notes, it said you were in a relationship.
06:58:14.100
I was, um, I was just confused kind of how to answer that question because it was in
06:58:19.820
the middle of everything, you know, and I didn't want to just say something until it
06:58:28.980
Uh, you think you have a lot of different crazy situations happen in your dating life.
06:58:33.660
Uh, but I want to emphasize the difference I encountered from dating in Europe compared
06:58:44.100
Um, I, I do think that in Europe they have more of a, like, people commit, commit to serious
06:58:51.900
relationships, especially at my age, more often than here.
06:58:55.520
Uh, at least where I'm from, from Eastern Europe.
06:58:58.600
And I think a part of it has to do with, like, um, Western media less affecting, Eastern
06:59:04.580
Like, your, your, uh, West Europe and Eastern Europe are completely different.
06:59:10.640
And me, and because of the media is affecting way less countries like Estonia, Finland,
06:59:17.800
Um, I think the dating is more healthy over there.
06:59:20.700
I noticed that in America, like I mentioned with the social media and everything, it's just,
06:59:24.380
it's way harder to, to find someone who, I guess, really is trying to work problems out.
06:59:33.280
I think people back out on the first try they can get, as soon as things get a little
07:00:11.480
You said your talking stage lasted for seven months.
07:00:14.500
I learned a lot from that experience, and I will never allow myself to extend the talking
07:00:20.820
I think this sort of situation is actually quite common rather than unique, but its nature
07:00:29.860
So, usually, I think, in general, the talking stage for, like, between, like, people in a
07:00:41.640
relationship or trying to pursue a relationship is usually three months.
07:00:44.760
I think that's usually the average time of, like, when a guy decides, like, okay, I want
07:00:54.180
to commit, but we, it's pretty, like, I think it was more of a transitionary phase.
07:01:01.240
Like, this person was about to graduate and move back to their hometown, so didn't want
07:01:07.940
to admit it that it was a transitionary phase, but I, like, already accepted that it was,
07:01:11.560
I was part of that point in their life that I was pretty much the transition, and so it
07:01:18.380
extended for a bit too long, because I was just waiting, like, okay, like, are you going
07:01:25.680
to ask me out, or are you not going to ask me out?
07:01:28.580
Well, and we definitely did the thing that should be technically done after being asked
07:01:38.000
out, but, or, like, after establishing, like, exclusivity, but we didn't, so, and I think.
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I feel like I didn't, you know, I was kind of holding onto it a little bit.
07:02:22.040
Like, holding onto the fact that, like, oh, like, we could possibly be something because I've
07:02:33.120
No, bro, I'm not holding onto, like, I dig, like, a hose while they're peeing.
07:02:37.240
Yeah, that, that's what I was asking, because you were like, Brian would, I don't know, okay.
07:02:41.540
Is that, like, what you're into, or, I don't know?
07:02:47.580
Ah, you just revealed a lot of information there, bro.
07:02:50.780
I don't know, look, hey, some girls like to be peed on.
07:02:57.020
I don't think it's a lot of people's things, but hey.
07:02:59.280
We're not gonna, we're not gonna yuck your yum.
07:03:07.300
If you like to, golden, golden showers, your friend seems to know something, your friend
07:03:15.520
Yeah, because you're, like, literally telling the person, the person, I mean.
07:04:18.500
Yeah, so you're talking about your seven-month talking stage.
07:04:22.640
I think you were mentioning something about, like, he wanted to date you, but then when you revealed to him that you have this pee fetish, he kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
07:04:37.700
He was like, ah, man, I liked you, but now that you told me that this is weird.
07:04:52.340
I think you're asking the question to the wrong girl.
07:05:12.540
I'm just trying to have, like, a wholesome dating podcast, and y'all start talking about, like, piss play.
07:05:30.960
Look, I'm not into that, but that's cool for you, dog.
07:05:35.380
I'm not into that, but that's cool for you, bro.
07:05:48.720
Like, if people like the fetish, but I don't like that.
07:06:00.760
Dude, I don't like getting peed on, but I definitely like getting, like, tied up and shit.
07:06:17.300
We're trying to get Andrew back, by the way, chat.
07:07:02.740
What is considered a red flag from the other speakers?
07:07:07.360
That's a fun little topic that we can do pretty quickly.
07:07:36.040
A guy that doesn't know how to communicate, that gives no effort, and gaslighter, manipulator...
07:08:05.620
Girl, dude, the fact that we, like, entered this whole podcast with your situation is crazy,
07:08:25.020
If there was a black person in here, they'd be a fan.
07:08:33.220
If you're NorCal, I guess you get the pass, right?
07:08:41.020
Girl, I don't even want to say stuff like that, though.
07:08:51.860
Wait, what's the difference between NorCal and SoCal Asians?
07:09:13.820
I would say with NorCal, I feel like our fashion is completely different.
07:09:54.820
Because I feel like NorCal are more chill and more, like.
07:09:58.100
Bro, I think, like, NorCal is, like, NorCal guys are a bit more stoic.
07:10:52.300
I don't know too much about Texans besides guns.
07:11:00.300
What happened if you like a guy, and he says that he doesn't want a relationship, but he
07:11:06.220
but he found out you were with his friend last night, and he confronted you about that?
07:11:32.520
You keep, oh, you're the one telling her to chill out on all the blowjobs.
07:11:38.740
She's probably watching this right now, but I swear to God, no.
07:11:48.360
That I was hanging out with his friend at, like, 2 a.m., 4 a.m.
07:12:14.780
And when I hear stories like that, I'm just, I'm just like, why, though?
07:12:20.720
Like, what is it that you're, what is it that you're doing?
07:12:25.800
Like, he doesn't want a relationship with you, okay?
07:12:30.040
Like, did you do it out of spite or, like, you want, like, for attention so that the guy
07:12:34.580
that you actually, like, did you, was there, like, a subtext of?
07:12:39.480
Me and the guy that created content at Seaside.
07:12:50.720
But do you want to, you want to be in a relationship?
07:12:56.020
Do you want, do you want a committed relationship?
07:12:58.500
I would say, like, if I find the right person, yes.
07:13:05.860
I mean, I'm just saying, like, so that guy that's mad at you, you're not going to have
07:13:16.720
Like, what is it that you're, like, what is that you're actually getting?
07:13:20.200
Like, he has no, he has no reason, like, to get mad.
07:13:24.720
And that's why you should think of it as, it's not that deep.
07:13:33.240
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself, fool.
07:14:17.940
So, how I see the way, like, relationships are, kind of, in terms of, like, self-fulfillment
07:14:26.240
or, like, fulfillment through, like, another partner is transactional.
07:14:32.120
So, like, when you're in a relationship with someone, right, you like that person, you do
07:14:36.780
things for them, in a way, you're kind of expecting something back in return, right?
07:14:41.780
You love the person enough, but, like, to be realistic, there's always going to be some
07:14:45.920
sort of limitation to how much you're going to give.
07:14:54.280
Your partner is a customer that goes to your, like, store every day.
07:14:59.000
Let's say you gave them more charge of money, like, in return than they should get, right?
07:15:05.400
So, like, this guy needs 50 cents, but you gave him a dollar.
07:15:11.420
No, he's not going to complain about the dollar.
07:15:14.200
The more you keep making that sort of investment that, like, hey, like, I'll just keep giving
07:15:18.680
him a dollar, and, like, hopefully, like, you know, things are okay, bro's going to keep
07:15:29.660
Sometimes, in certain situations, maybe the guy's like, oh, you probably overcharged me,
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The more they don't complain, right, the more you're going to lose business because
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you're not keeping the exact amount of change you needed in exchange, right?
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And so, like, a matter of communication-wise is obviously, like, hey, checking in.
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Like, you're giving me a bit too much, or you're giving me under.
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So, that's why, like, you could use money as an analogy to pretty much explain, like,
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And ways to really, like, go about it is just a matter of communication.
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But some people are not really as good as communicating sort of needs or wants.
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Yeah, so, like, if you get into a relationship where, like, you give, you give, you give,
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and then you can create a synergy where the other person is just going to take and take
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and take and take if you don't have, like, good boundaries.
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If you've got the money and you want to spend it all the way, bro, there's girls out there
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If you've got the money, like, and you're like, I want to spend it all on you, like,
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Do you view relationships as transactional or not?
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The matter of self-fulfillment or, like, fulfillment in a relationship in terms of needs and wants
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Not saying that you have to quantize the amount of love.
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But, I mean, it's just, like, okay, like, uh...
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I want you to give me, like, 50-50 or 60-40, whatever.
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Bro, you should be the one that's, like, raining money on the women.
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Like, you could be that person and save a girl.
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Wait, no, but it only applies to, like, Asian women and men.
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I like the nerds that definitely have, like, a...
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Bro, if a man could do Rubik's Cube within, like...
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I swear to God, when she makes reels sometimes, I just...
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Yeah, like, what was your interaction with that?
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Did I say what comes around is the Vietnamese-Filipino combination is hella toxic.
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Bro, but, like, negative multiplied with negative makes positive.
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Okay, but, like, okay, let's say you were to date an Asian guy.
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If you were to date an Asian guy, which particular ethnicity of an Asian dude and why?
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We just not cover the fact that, like, we get more DMs than guys do, so.
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Oh, and then, honestly, you could go for a ladyboy.
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No, we just say, like, no, which one would you date?
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Okay, I'm not really attracted to Asian people.
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Nothing against Asian, but not physically attracted to.
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You saved this shit for the last five minutes of the show?
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We'll let the roast session come in in just a moment.
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I'm pretty sure we finished up all the pre-show notes.
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So my understanding of a pay pig is that there's these men who have a lot of money, right?
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But their kink is to spend on women that would dominate them.
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Bro, if I were to like hypothetically say, like speak, like hypothetically say that I
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do have a pay pig, bro, I'm going to go to Gentle Monster right away.
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Bro, I swear to God, dude, I'll get the metal frames.
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This is my optometrist assistant speaking out right now.
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Wait, so you're saying it would turn you on to Findamma, dude?
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A pay pig is someone who has a lot of money that wants to be dominated by a woman.
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It's just a matter of means that hypothetically seems like, like, why not?
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You know, I hear a lot of women that are like, oh, like he's just giving my money.
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You don't do any photos when you have a pay pay.
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No, but she's like, I just receive money with no, like, you don't have to do anything.
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They're just like, hey, I want to just give you money.
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I feel like you wouldn't want to get something.
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But spending 40 plus slash WK together will do that.
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But serving this table would be an example P-F-Y we drink as well.
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Blowing the high IQ Asian myth completely out of the water.
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You put them in the hood and they will become hood in just one generation.
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Ladies, chivalry is disappearing because real women do not exist anymore.
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Chivalry goes hand in hand with real femininity.
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Dragon Salon, is it any wonder why these three foes are single?
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Yo, chat, by the way, should episode 304 be the last episode of the whatever podcast?
07:29:02.540
You need to roast her because she's from Estonia.
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You need to roast her over there who's got a Fyndom thing.
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Wait, can you demonstrate, pretend Anissa here is a dude?
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Well, Anissa, Arnold, it's the closest I could think of.
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Are we talking about like financial dominatrix?
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No, I'm like so lost because I was like, wait, are we talking about how I would approach a
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dude if I was in a Fyndom like situation or if I...
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Yo, thank you so much for the first time donation.
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Yeah, so, um, like, I haven't seen you around in our club.
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So, um, just wondering, like, uh, like, what do you like to do?
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Bro, I'm like, but honestly, my words per minute is, like, 128.
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Yeah, since you're pretty good with your hands, I was wondering if you could, like, text your phone number online.
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But if I do it, if I play the sound, you gotta, what were you saying?
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See, I don't know how to feel about this situation.
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It's like, maybe I'm just a clown, you know what I'm saying?
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I'm gonna give it a shot, but I know I'm like, I need to do it for this.
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Okay, let me let the rest of the roast come through.
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I'd love to see who has the nicest teeth and who needs their tooth fixed.
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Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we wrap things up?
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My back is hurting, but I'm not big-backed because, obviously, I didn't finish my pizza.
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A big-back means, like, big stomach and your back be hurting.
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You can still get your last-minute roast in, last-minute $20 TTS.
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If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
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Maybe we'll post the BTS of that girl who walked off.
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The Asian woman in the white blouse is by far the most attractive, but it's mostly because
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Burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito,
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Burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito.
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I think it's reasonable to say that males increase in value with age and females become
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Because, Austin, can we just pull up like Young Brian photos?