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00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating

00:00:16.440 hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. We're going to just jump right into guest introductions and

00:00:22.300 I'll come back to some of the quick announcements. So guests, go ahead and introduce yourself. Go

00:00:29.920 ahead. Hi, I'm Selena. I'm 21 years old and in my free time, I'm an influencer. You can find me at

00:00:38.880 Selena the Yapper and I am also from DC and I go to school at Georgetown University. I'm in my senior

00:00:45.980 year. What are you studying there? I'm studying foreign policy. Foreign policy. Okay. And you said

00:00:51.600 your senior year? Yes. What do you want to do after you graduate? What do I want to do? I mean, I need

00:00:57.960 to take a year, study for the LSAT and hopefully go to law school. Okay. And in the meantime, I do

00:01:04.900 TikTok. Gotcha. What kind of law do you want to practice? I would like to be a defense attorney.

00:01:12.520 Criminal defense. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. And Yapper, what is, for those that don't know, what's a Yapper?

00:01:19.380 Yapper. So a Yapper is someone that talks a lot. Okay. And I would say on TikTok, I talk a lot. I talk

00:01:27.240 about everything, pop culture, politics, dating, whatever I feel like talking about. All right. Rock

00:01:35.060 and roll. I'm sure we'll get into some of that during the show. What about, what about you?

00:01:41.100 Hi, my name is Celine. I'm 21. And right now I'm located in LA. I currently am in school for

00:01:50.080 cosmetology. I've not attended like formal university yet. But I have plans to obviously

00:01:56.100 go into cosmetology, do hair, makeup, nails, along with other, you know, freelance modeling and

00:02:04.080 I make clothes, et cetera. Just stuff along that line. All right. And, uh, you said you're from LA?

00:02:11.840 Yes. Gotcha. And any school, you said no school? I have not attended university yet. Gotcha. Are you

00:02:17.880 planning to later or? I think it kind of depends on what path I'm going to take. You know, when it

00:02:22.980 comes to like fashion and cosmetology, I feel like if you have a good eye, you don't necessarily need

00:02:28.160 the credentials to back it up as long as you can prove what you're talking about, what your vision

00:02:33.860 is. Um, and I think I'm pretty good at that. So if necessary, then yes, I will go to school.

00:02:38.640 But if not, if I don't need to, then no, just going to stick to cosmetology. Got it. What about you?

00:02:45.160 I'm Grace. I go to UCSB. I'm studying zoology. I'm from Venice Beach, California. Um, and I also work

00:02:53.880 at the UCSB Rec Sen as an intramural soccer referee. So. All right. Do you play soccer?

00:02:58.540 I do. I've played my entire life. Gotcha. Age? I'm 19. And, uh, what do you, zoology, right?

00:03:04.200 What do you want to do with that? I want to do animal conservation and try to help endangered

00:03:08.020 species not be endangered anymore. Gotcha. Sophomore? Yeah, I'm a sophomore. Okay. What about

00:03:11.940 you? Hello. I'm Natalie. My artist name is Morena La Chingona. I'm 27. I'm from San Diego.

00:03:17.740 I went to SDSU. And yeah, I'm in the music industry. I'm a music artist. I'm also in

00:03:22.860 the cannabis industry. All right. What did you study at SDSU? Hospitality. Hospitality.

00:03:28.920 Have you worked in hospitality at all? Well, I do events with cannabis. So yeah, it goes

00:03:33.480 together. Gotcha. And you're a singer? I'm a rapper. Rapper? Okay. Well, in that case. A

00:03:38.800 Spanish rapper. Let's hear something. Can we get a beat? Yeah. Get a beat.

00:03:43.020 Yo soy la morena. Me dicen la más bella. Todos me quieren y las haters son las bellas.

00:03:47.660 Hago lo que quiero y todos se calientan. A mí me vale madre. Los mando a la verga.

00:03:54.180 Nice. Okay. Rock and roll. Rock and roll.

00:03:55.800 Spanish. A little English, but more in Spanish. Sweet, sweet. What about you?

00:03:59.840 I'm Essie. I'm 26. Uh, I am a influencer and OnlyFans creator. And I'm from good old Indiana.

00:04:07.660 And I did not go to college, just high school. Gotcha. How long you been, uh, and you live

00:04:12.320 in Los Angeles, you said? Mm-hmm. Uh, how long you been in LA for? Um, almost four years. Gotcha.

00:04:17.900 How long you been doing OnlyFans? About five years. Five years. What do you do on there? Um,

00:04:23.020 I just do, I play like the girlfriend experience and very like the more so innocent. I wouldn't,

00:04:28.600 I don't do full nudity or anything like that. Uh, no nudity whatsoever? Um, I do topless.

00:04:35.880 I just started doing topless things. Okay. So, but that's it. That's the extent of it.

00:04:40.500 Not even in the past. No, not even in the past. Okay. No, no boy, girl stuff. No, no, no. Okay.

00:04:46.680 All right. What about you? My name is Lauren. I am a 31. I am a single mom of three from Tyler,

00:04:54.580 Texas representing the 903. I am a small business owner, a nonprofit founder, a devout Buddhist,

00:05:01.200 and occasionally a political activist. No college, some college. I dropped out after one

00:05:06.340 semester. All right. Gotcha. And, uh, from Texas, you said? Yes, sir. Gotcha. What about you?

00:05:14.760 Hi, my name is Samara. Um, I'm 22 years old. Um, I am a caregiver. I'm staying at home mom right now.

00:05:22.180 And then I had some college. I'm planning to go back, hopefully. Okay. Uh, where are you from?

00:05:29.280 Ventura, California. Gotcha. And when you were in college, what were you studying?

00:05:33.340 Mortuary science. Okay. Got it. What about you? Uh, my name is Erica. I am from Oregon and I am

00:05:39.460 also a caregiver and I'm currently 24 years old. Currently 24. So close to 25 years old. All right.

00:05:47.020 Rock and roll. Uh, before we get into relationship status for everybody,

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00:10:40.120 short because all labia can't matter until big labia matter. Um, as someone who only dates women

00:10:46.680 with large labia, this is like a really like close issue to my heart and, um, it's the pressing issue

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00:11:18.500 discord.gg slash whatever. Oh, speaking of which we received a very flattering, uh, I post behind

00:11:25.420 the scenes happenings. Uh, and we, I, I received, uh, from, from Celine, she sent some voice notes.

00:11:33.080 Oh, so I've, I've, uh, I've put the voice notes to some of your Tik TOK dance videos and we're going

00:11:40.660 to play that. So why don't you, uh, play that right now? I'm okay with this. It's okay. Yeah. I

00:11:45.180 actually go ahead. Yeah. Full, full screen, full screen audio and started from the beginning.

00:11:50.680 Wait guys, don't quote me. Also, I know it's content, but I'm really tired of you guys only taking on

00:11:57.200 dumb bitches and bimbos and fucking sluts on your show. Like, please have some respect for the

00:12:03.280 female community, I guess, and cast somebody who isn't a total fucking idiot. Like, no wonder

00:12:09.760 some of the incels think that all of us are like this. You guys are showcasing the most dumb bitches

00:12:16.100 I've ever seen in my life. I've literally never seen a more dumb group of women in one spot than

00:12:22.480 your page. So thank you for that. Very nice. Very nice. So real. Wow. That's crazy. I can

00:12:31.740 appreciate that. So guys, uh, behind the scenes, discord.gg slash whatever discord.gg slash, uh,

00:12:39.080 whatever. And they just pull it up in the stream yard here. Uh, the link. Yeah. And, uh, yeah,

00:12:44.660 if you want to see, I post a bunch of behind the scenes, I try to post quite frequently on there.

00:12:49.100 So, uh, and you can also interact with, uh, me, you know, I'm, I try to, I try to talk a little

00:12:54.940 bit in the general chat. So, um, by the way, I disavow what you said. That's crazy. It was

00:13:01.420 a little extremist bimbo, uh, you said bimbo bitches. Well, and what was the other one? I said

00:13:10.480 it lightly. I've never referred to any of my guests as, as stupid or dumb. Well, they're not

00:13:16.940 here today. I don't think you have to refer to them. I think that everybody knows without

00:13:21.520 you referring to them as that. Well, Hey, you guys are some real misogynists here. It

00:13:26.500 was only a select few. I would never, I never, I, first off, I don't think I, Nick, have

00:13:31.000 I ever like called a girl a bimbo on the show or privately? Well, some people take it as a

00:13:35.620 compliment. That's true. I don't. Does anybody here take it as a compliment? Not necessarily.

00:13:41.020 Is it a compliment? What do you think? Um, I think how, so what, I guess, what made you

00:13:49.220 send that message? Like, did you feel like you wanted to be on here really badly? There

00:13:53.740 was a specific video that I did see. Um, a few actually. Um, sometimes they just ask very

00:14:01.340 targeted questions to obviously not the brightest people in the room. That's very insulting to

00:14:07.900 the women. It's okay to not be that bright. It's okay. Some people just, it's not their

00:14:11.860 strong suit, but I have seen the tendency to ask, you know, the, not the brightest people

00:14:16.700 in the room, the questions, and then you get the, not the brightest answer. And the comments

00:14:20.900 are like, everybody's women suck. Can you make that noise again? No. Okay. I mean, I think

00:14:28.180 that's based if you have base takes, like if you're coming on here and you have base takes,

00:14:33.780 which you may, we haven't gotten there yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there. We'll get

00:14:37.660 there. Um, anyways, that was funny. So that's behind the scenes. I actually, I really appreciate

00:14:41.460 that. Touched the heart, honestly. To showing the video or just a little, the montage. Yeah.

00:14:46.740 I really love that actually. Well, uh, you're welcome. Um, we'll send it to you if you want

00:14:51.740 to upload it to your, I do. So, uh, okay. We're going to get back to, oh, relationship status.

00:14:59.760 So, uh, tell me your relationship status. So I'm currently single. Um, I was in a situationship

00:15:08.520 with a red pillar and that actually is what motivates a lot of my content. Um, I like to

00:15:14.580 spread awareness against the epidemic, which is red pill men. Okay. Epidemic. Yep. Of

00:15:22.080 red pill men. What is an epidemic? It's a crisis. It's crises. Yes. Correct. What,

00:15:29.700 what is the crisis? The crisis is that red pill ideology is being spread to all of these

00:15:36.000 men. Actually, the United Nations also recognizes it as a crisis because red pill men are more

00:15:43.180 likely to kill women. I actually, so are you, when you say red pill, are you referring to

00:15:50.460 what? I'm referring to men that are extremely misogynistic and hate women. Are you unfamiliar

00:15:58.680 with what red pill is? Well, I mean, there's a whole bunch of terms or, so are you unfamiliar

00:16:04.240 with red pill? Well, why don't you explain it to me when you use the term red pill? What

00:16:08.160 do you mean? Okay. So the red pill movement came specifically, they're referring to the

00:16:13.200 matrix when kind of men take the red pill and they become awakened to the fact that a lot

00:16:20.340 of women are dangerous for society. Okay. Did you just say that the fact that women are

00:16:25.900 dangerous to society? No. Well, that's your position. I never said that. I said, this is

00:16:30.180 what men who are red pillars do. Really quick before I have you continue with the definition,

00:16:36.500 you cited to the United Nations. Yes. Which is incredibly biased, but okay. Okay. What is

00:16:42.480 the United Nations bias to? Oh, there's massive left-wing bias in the United Nations. And like,

00:16:47.600 for example, yeah, yeah. So for example, like they have a UN women, they don't have like a

00:16:52.360 corresponding UN men. Why would they? What do you mean? Wouldn't that be equality?

00:16:57.320 So women have been oppressed for centuries. Are women oppressed currently? Some may argue,

00:17:03.960 yes. In the United States? Yes. Some may argue that. Is the red pill predominated? Do I think,

00:17:09.740 do I think women are more oppressed than my other minorities? Not necessarily. Okay. So you're

00:17:14.960 talking about intersectionality. Yes. I think white women may not be oppressed as women of color,

00:17:23.100 but if we're talking specifically about black women, they are far more oppressed. And yes,

00:17:27.840 they are disadvantaged because they're facing racism, but also misogyny.

00:17:33.280 Mm-hmm. Okay. So anyways, but back to the United Nations being biased. Yeah. It's very biased.

00:17:39.140 Okay. So you're telling me that the United Nations that has a security council that is filled with the

00:17:44.040 United States, China, and other countries are left-leaning. Yeah. It's, it's, if you look at,

00:17:52.240 for example, the UN women like Twitter account or like what they're doing, it's basically feminist

00:17:57.580 propaganda. So feminism is more a left-wing ideology. So I would say if you're like propagating

00:18:03.400 feminism, that is a left-wing bias. Okay. So what the United Nations does, a lot of what they do

00:18:08.760 has to do with advocating against genital mutilation in Africa. Okay. So of women.

00:18:16.960 Of women.

00:18:17.420 So is that like problematic? We shouldn't fight against that?

00:18:20.360 Oh, I'm against that a hundred percent.

00:18:21.720 Okay. So, so who else is going to do that work if we're not talking about the United Nations?

00:18:26.260 If we're going to bring up genital mutilation, um, I think it's fair to bring up the fact that

00:18:32.360 actually male genital mutilation is actually far more prevalent and common throughout most, uh, well,

00:18:37.960 I don't know about in certain countries, but, uh, at least in the United States, for example,

00:18:42.000 in many Western countries, uh, yeah, uh, male circumcision is completely rampant. And actually

00:18:48.400 there doesn't seem to be any sort of attention or push brought to this outside of like male spaces.

00:18:53.760 Okay. So are you trying to compare circumcision to female genital mutilation?

00:19:01.200 Yeah. Well, I'm prepared to say this. So like, so there's a difference because as a man,

00:19:05.040 I agree that, okay, go ahead. Yeah. I agree that there's a difference and I would be willing to

00:19:09.400 grant, for example, like if we're comparing a one-to-one situation where like a woman has her

00:19:13.980 clitoris removed versus like a fairly, um, commonplace, like medical circumcision, I'd be willing to

00:19:22.740 absolutely grant that like the female genital mutilation is worse. However, there's far more

00:19:27.920 instances of circumcision than there are of FGM. Okay. So if you are a man who is circumcised,

00:19:35.260 can you still use your, can a woman who has, who's FGM? Can you still have an orgasm?

00:19:43.320 Uh, there's different types. Well, so, so I would say just to be charitable for the majority of men.

00:19:49.180 Yeah, probably. Okay. However, versus, okay, that's, that's fine. And then we need to also

00:19:54.940 look at, let me finish if you're going to ask, ask a question. So I would at least point out that,

00:20:00.800 uh, it's not always the case that circumcisions happen without any sort of, uh, side effects or

00:20:08.700 even like total loss of the penis. In fact, oftentimes, yes, in some cases with circumcision,

00:20:13.880 there's total loss of the penis. There's like severe scarring, um, all kinds of things that

00:20:19.260 can happen. Okay. So here's what I'm, here's what I want to say though. Yeah. I think there

00:20:24.660 is a difference between why female mutilation happens versus circumcision happens. Okay. So

00:20:31.920 a lot of the time circumcision happens, it actually started in religion and a lot of religions believe

00:20:38.180 that it was better. It was, it was either cleaner or, or it was a way to show some type of religious

00:20:46.040 whatever. Okay. Versus female mutilation started. So a woman cannot experience pleasure because a lot

00:20:55.140 of people, a lot of the countries where you see female mutilation, they don't want that woman to

00:21:01.680 experience pleasure. They don't want her to have an orgasm. They don't believe women should be having

00:21:06.080 sex for reasons other than having children and childbearing. And so that is the difference.

00:21:12.860 That is a key difference to note. I mean, my understanding of the research I've done,

00:21:17.660 this practice of female genital mutilation, it's actually something that's upheld by the women in

00:21:23.040 these societies and women will practice it on other women. So it's not like some evil, evil conspiracy

00:21:30.040 of men that are like holding these women down and mutilating their genitals. It's actually typically

00:21:34.440 something that is both practiced by the women in either the tribes or in these societies. And in

00:21:40.840 addition to that, it's, it's also, uh, something that's kind of, there's, there's a social pressure

00:21:45.660 more so that, that women enact this upon other women versus some sort of patriarchal structure that

00:21:52.240 is like oppressing women into getting FGM. So a lot of people in specific countries aren't

00:21:58.600 necessarily as educated on that. And so they may feel that way, but I do agree with your point that

00:22:05.320 it may not be only the men, like men are these monsters that are forcing women to get mutilated.

00:22:15.300 But I think a lot of the causes for a circumcision versus mutilation are different. And we need to look

00:22:23.840 at the root causes for that. Uh, do you want kids when you're older? I don't know. If you were to

00:22:31.580 have sons, would you have them circumcised? It depends. I would look, I would look at the health

00:22:38.760 benefits. I would look at how it would affect them when they grow up. And then I would base it off of

00:22:45.640 that. I would want my kids to live a long, healthy life. So whatever would allow them to do that, I would,

00:22:50.700 I would do. Yeah, sure. I mean, I'm prepared to say like FGM and just, just to be clear,

00:22:56.440 FGM is like terrible and it should be completely abolished in the countries that practice it.

00:23:01.040 At least as it relates to the United States though, FGM is completely, you can't do that.

00:23:06.260 You can't do FGM. It's a, it's a criminal offense here. It's like a routine medical practice when,

00:23:11.700 uh, there's a newborn boy. So do you feel that it harms those children to be circumcised?

00:23:19.060 Yes. Uh, it does not. I think it doesn't harm my child. I mean, there's varying levels. I think it

00:23:23.980 does. It doesn't. But they're in pain afterwards, aren't they? I mean, there's a whole bunch of

00:23:29.280 different arguments. Like for example, like you're inflicting a psychological wound by like,

00:23:33.540 I mean, they scream and they cry when you do this procedure. Um, so there could be like some

00:23:38.120 potential argument as to like psychological damage that could be, could be done. And in addition to

00:23:44.220 that there, while I would be willing to grant that in most cases, yeah, you have a circumcision and

00:23:49.380 your penis down the road ends up working completely fine. I would argue that there is a proportion of

00:23:54.600 people who do have, uh, who do get, or boys who do get circumcision, who then grow up to have either

00:24:00.540 scarring issues. They have, um, they have trouble with, uh, they, they have less sexual pleasure

00:24:06.360 because it, that is like a, not to be graphic or whatever, but there's like pleasure. Uh, what's

00:24:13.420 the nerves? Thank you. There's like nerves that are removed. So, I mean, does it, they probably,

00:24:19.420 you know, still enjoy sex, but it like diminishes to some degree, the sexual pleasure that they would

00:24:25.280 have otherwise had. So what do you say to religions like Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths that

00:24:32.240 encourage that? Oh yeah. I'm, I'm absolutely against it. I don't care what your religion says.

00:24:37.400 Doesn't really matter. We should completely do away with, uh, circumcision.

00:24:42.280 I think that a CT scan would show pre and post circumcision that there is trauma in the child's brain.

00:24:50.200 And sometimes they lose like part of the, the glands. They lose part of the head. Uh, in, in some

00:24:56.720 rare instances, they'll lose the entire penis. Um, I, I believe that a part of circumcision, like coming

00:25:04.220 into place in the first place was because of Puritan culture. They wanted it in some instances,

00:25:10.580 they wanted to remove the pleasure nerves for me. Yeah, sure. That could be, I think that could

00:25:15.800 probably be the case. And I think there are, there is some religious component to male circumcision,

00:25:21.940 but I don't want to get too far down the rabbit hole of male circumcision. We were relating it to the

00:25:26.260 UN and my position was just that, uh, the UN as an organization clearly has a bias against men.

00:25:34.740 So, so I don't think it's like a particular. So how does the United Nations harm men? How does it

00:25:41.820 press? I didn't necessarily say they harm men, but I might be able to make that argument. Okay. So you

00:25:46.700 feel that the United Nations, do you feel that it should exist? Uh, should it exist? Well, I'm not

00:25:52.880 really like a politics geopolitics guy. So I would have to look into the benefits like politically

00:25:58.680 of having the UN or whatever. However, like, I do think it's again, not really my wheelhouse,

00:26:05.660 but at least as it relates to your claim about you citing to the UN saying, well, the red pill

00:26:11.280 ideology, it's like a, you know, it's a emerging, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but there's

00:26:17.040 this argument that the red pill is emerging terrorist threat to the United's dangerous

00:26:21.880 threat. And I think it's completely overstated. So can you, so do you feel that you yourself are

00:26:28.460 a red pillar? What you'll have to define red pill. Well, if you are, can you define what you believe

00:26:34.260 in? Well, it depends. People have different definitions of it. Okay. So what is your personal

00:26:38.880 definition? Well, first I would start off by saying, and I know you don't like this categorization

00:26:42.460 or label either. I would say I definitely lean conservative. And I know in your notes, you say

00:26:46.920 you don't like conservative, but as it relates to the red pill, uh, there's all kinds of really

00:26:51.780 like there's really extreme stuff where you're getting into like, basically like as it relates

00:26:58.660 to some people can like, you can be red pilled on like veganism. So like, okay, but I want to make

00:27:04.400 sure we're being precise about like the terms here. So when I think of red pill, you mentioned the

00:27:08.920 matrix. I think that that's a fair characterization. So I think taking the red pill, I guess, spoiler

00:27:15.140 for the matrix movie. So to take the red pill means you're pulling away the, the wool, what's

00:27:21.560 the term? When, when the wool over your eyes, you're basically seeing the truth of the world. And

00:27:28.060 there's a lot of propaganda and you, I, you, I think it'd be fair to say there's propaganda on both

00:27:32.080 sides. Perhaps there's like Republican conservative propaganda and there's leftist liberal Democrat

00:27:37.900 propaganda. And then there's the truth. And so I believe in the red pill. It's just the truth.

00:27:45.020 So, and if those truths tend to be uncomfortable, we, we accept that regardless. So, so I would

00:27:52.680 acknowledge like in, in the sense that I've taken the red pill, I believe in truth over discomfort,

00:28:00.320 but like if there's like a specific red pill ideology, like you, for example, uh, Andrew Tate,

00:28:06.240 some people would label him as a red pill and he's like, believes in polygamy and he believes,

00:28:11.700 I'm trying to think like a good example I could give as it relates to Andrew Tate. Um,

00:28:17.240 what's a, what's a Andrew Tate red pill argument? Do you have any that?

00:28:23.460 So that basically men are more oppressed than women are.

00:28:27.780 Does Andrew Tate argue that many, like many people and proponents of the red pill ideology

00:28:35.280 argue that do you believe that? Do I think men are more oppressed than women? Perhaps in some

00:28:41.500 ways. Yes. And you know what? Fuck it. I'll just bite, I'll bite the bullet. Yeah. I can. I mean,

00:28:47.120 sure. I'm prepared to bite the bullet. Sure. Okay. So, okay. So then tell me more, tell me more about

00:28:52.240 that. Yeah. So, and I think first off it's geographic, a bit geo geographical related, but

00:28:58.500 at least in the United States, I'd be prepared to afford this argument or, I mean, this would

00:29:04.540 actually apply to almost all nations, almost all States. So throughout all of human history,

00:29:12.060 the story of feminism is women have been oppressed. Women have had it worst. Men have had more privileges.

00:29:18.520 Men have had all these positions of power. Men were the oppressors. Women were the oppressed.

00:29:23.920 For sure. Well, I kind of dispute that. And I think that perhaps you can make the argument that

00:29:29.420 a very, throughout all of human history, a very, very small proportion of men did have power. But I

00:29:35.260 wouldn't say those men had power because they were men necessarily. They just happened to be from a long

00:29:40.520 line of people who already had power. So power begets power. So I don't think it necessarily has to

00:29:45.760 do with the fact that they have a penis and that they're men. This seems to be quite a bit of an

00:29:50.080 oversimplification of really like complex power structures that exist in society. Because like,

00:29:57.280 I would just point to the, like the 99% of both men and women who had absolutely no power through

00:30:02.540 human history. So this idea that, well, men as a group, and let me just ask your position on this,

00:30:08.560 are men as a group, the oppressor class?

00:30:10.480 It depends. It is a lot more nuanced than that. I do. I can agree with that. I think

00:30:16.160 when we're talking about class struggle, that is one thing. Okay. But then we're going to talk

00:30:22.160 about if we're talking specifically about gender, if we're looking at male and female, men, yes,

00:30:29.460 have tended to maintain power and have held onto that power. Right. So if we're looking at,

00:30:37.320 for example, the Bible, okay. Um, and something that's been there since people can cite it from

00:30:45.800 how people have been citing it from the beginning of time. Okay. The Bible in itself has misogyny in

00:30:54.720 it. Right. So if you're looking at the Adam and Eve argument, men have used that for centuries to

00:31:00.880 oppress women saying that women caused original sin. Women are the root of all evil. Eve took a bite

00:31:08.400 of the apple. So it's women's fault. Okay. And that has really led to so much misogyny that is at the

00:31:17.700 hands of men wanting to oppress women. Wait, men want to oppress women because of...

00:31:24.700 Of their faith. Potentially. Because of the original sin. Potentially. I've, yes, I've heard

00:31:30.020 that argument multiple times. Well, I'm not, so just to be clear, I'm not going to forward any

00:31:33.680 religious arguments. I'm agnostic. Okay. Although I do have pro-Christian sentiments. So, yes. But I'm

00:31:39.020 not going to have a theological debate with you. Yeah. And I'm not saying we should have a theological

00:31:43.160 debate. Are you religious? Are you... But I am not, I don't, my religious beliefs don't necessarily

00:31:48.980 bleed into my political beliefs. Are you religious though? In my personal life, yes. What, are you

00:31:55.300 Muslim or? Yes. Okay. But I will say, this is what I will say. I will say that a lot of Christian ideals

00:32:03.720 bleed into, yes. If you don't mind, really quick, just on the, you're Muslim. Yes. Do you think Islam is

00:32:12.600 less oppressive than Christianity? I think that the media wants to frame certain narratives. I think

00:32:20.220 if we're talking about religion... Sure. A lot of times religion can be weaponized against women and

00:32:30.700 used to oppress them. Okay. And if we're talking about the West, of course the West is going to want

00:32:37.660 to frame Islam, whatever, as oppressive, this, this, and that. Am I making the argument that

00:32:44.140 Christianity is more oppressive than Islam? Not necessarily. But, I mean, we, I don't think it's

00:32:51.280 just media framing. So, I mean, we have, we have, for example, Islamic doctrine that we can look at.

00:32:58.720 Okay. Let's talk about that. What Islamic doctrine is oppressive to women? Oh, well, I mean, again,

00:33:03.880 I'm not a theological expert, but what I could point to, for example, like I think in Muslim

00:33:08.460 majority countries, you tend to see less freedoms for women. So, if you look at most Western countries

00:33:14.040 that are either Christian or have like a Christian heritage, women have like really robust freedoms

00:33:21.380 in either Christian countries or historically Christian countries. So, what do you define as

00:33:25.960 freedoms? Sorry. Oh, sure. Like ability to vote. Well, I mean, like, for example, do you think United

00:33:31.480 States is more, at least as it relates to women, is more free than like Afghanistan, which is a Muslim

00:33:36.920 country? Yeah. But like in what regard? So, if we're talking about women owning land. All of them?

00:33:42.040 Like currently? Yes. So, if you're going to say, so, so are you saying that freedom equates to how

00:33:48.120 women get to dress or are we talking about right to own land, et cetera? You think the only restriction

00:33:58.560 on women's freedom in Afghanistan is their dressing ability? No, I never said that. I'm just asking you

00:34:05.240 to define freedom. Freedoms. Like if we're talking, okay. So, if we're talking about, for instance,

00:34:12.480 Saudi Arabia versus if we're talking about Afghanistan versus if we're talking about Iran,

00:34:17.120 it's all different. I mean, I would, I would probably argue, again, I'm not the expert in like

00:34:23.360 all, you know, Muslim majority countries. Yeah. So, that's, so, so, sorry, sorry to interrupt you,

00:34:28.820 but it's, that's what I'm saying. It's very nuanced. Sure. So, I, I can't speak to all Muslim

00:34:33.760 majority countries. Sure. I would just say. And then if we're, if we're talking about countries

00:34:38.340 that are under the Taliban or ISIS, et cetera, that's also very different. And you, you did cite

00:34:46.380 to female genital mutilation. You, you are aware that FGM is typically practiced, uh, well, not,

00:34:56.660 not exclusively, but it is more so practiced in Muslim majority countries than in Western

00:35:03.140 Christian countries. Yes. Okay. So, again, that doesn't, that doesn't mean I, I agree with that

00:35:12.100 practice. I think everyone, for example, if we're look, if we're citing the KKK, the KKK can't claim

00:35:18.200 to be Christian nationalists and they still kill black people. Okay. So, what I'm saying here is

00:35:23.700 people take faiths and they become extreme. They can take an iteration of faith and take it way too

00:35:29.860 far. But that is the, so I, when I'm speaking for, oh, in my personal life, I practice religion.

00:35:36.280 That does not mean that I stand for a lot of the ways that it has been corrupted and a lot of

00:35:42.100 social things that it imposes on women. Well, hold on, but you, you really quick,

00:35:47.780 you, you invoked the KKK here when we're talking about like the Islamic influence in Muslim majority

00:35:54.420 countries. So I, wait, hold on. I think that's a bit of a false equivalence to say that first off,

00:35:59.900 the KKK has no political capital at all in this country. And to, it's a false equivalence because

00:36:07.820 the Taliban has robust political power in Afghanistan and the top, that's not like.

00:36:16.060 So yeah, but there was a time that the KKK had robust influence here in the U S right.

00:36:20.720 So necessarily, I mean, I would agree. So I would agree. Historically, the KKK, uh, was,

00:36:26.360 was bigger, had more influence, perhaps, uh, what is it? 50s, 60s, 70s, but not anywhere near

00:36:34.640 approaching the level of influence and power that like the Taliban has in Afghanistan.

00:36:40.340 Okay. And I, I agree that the Taliban and its practices are incorrect. I'm not, but what I am,

00:36:45.640 so what I'm, what I was pointing to with the KKK example is that a lot of time religion can be taken

00:36:51.140 and manipulated. And so I'm saying in that specific instance, do I think that is a perfect iteration of

00:36:57.780 what Islam should look like? Absolutely not. But am I here to defend Islam? No, I'm here to protect

00:37:04.960 women's rights. And I think a lot of the times religion is, can be great. And it's a great thing

00:37:10.140 to practice and keep in your life. Do I think it should bleed into politics and how we practice

00:37:15.660 certain things and how women are treated? No, because it can always be co-opted.

00:37:19.200 Well, I guess just because you invoke to the conversation about religion and you seem to have

00:37:24.640 shifted blame towards Christianity, I was simply just pointing out you yourself are a Muslim where,

00:37:30.820 I mean, I, I think it would just be, it's objectively the case that at least as it relates

00:37:37.680 to the religion, it seems far more oppressive to women's freedoms than Christianity. And then if you

00:37:44.100 look at the fruits, you look at the fruits of Christianity, you look at Western countries that are

00:37:48.800 either are Christian or have a Christian heritage, Christian history, you can compare them to

00:37:53.960 Muslim countries, Islamic countries. There's, it's, they're far more rife with

00:37:59.960 lacking in rights for women. I mean, to be honest, I disagree in the sense that I think a lot of the

00:38:10.380 times, there's a few things I want to say here, right? I don't want to have a theological argument

00:38:15.800 with you, but I think if we're looking into the specific texts, when it comes to the Quran versus

00:38:22.360 the Bible, the Quran is less oppressive to women, especially at the specific time that it came down.

00:38:30.080 I think it is a matter of interpretation when it does come down to that. I think that your

00:38:34.680 over generalization of the Bible itself is harmful.

00:38:38.900 Um, I don't necessarily think it's an over generalization. I'm just saying if we look at

00:38:44.340 the texts themselves, right? So I've studied both the Bible and I've studied the Quran and I've looked

00:38:49.160 at both of those texts. And by looking at the texts, I can tell you that the Bible is more oppressive

00:38:54.560 towards women, especially at the time that it came down and the practices that were imposed on

00:39:00.180 the women that were there. Okay.

00:39:02.440 I think you are just experiencing selective exposure.

00:39:05.560 No, I'm telling you that I read the text. It's not in a selective exposure, but I am.

00:39:10.060 What I will say is that the way that those religions are practiced and people have taken

00:39:14.980 them and people have grappled with them and what people have extracted from them and began

00:39:20.560 to practice is very different than what's written in the text itself.

00:39:23.980 Those are fringe or extremist groups that the entire community should not be defined or labeled

00:39:29.460 by.

00:39:30.220 Okay. I agree.

00:39:32.000 That's not what you said. You were demonizing the entire Christian.

00:39:35.120 No, I was not demonizing Christianity. I was saying what was in the Bible is...

00:39:39.620 You were saying that Christian men were weaponizing Adam and Eve's story.

00:39:42.700 Yes. And that is true. But I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole...

00:39:45.880 But not all Christian men weaponize it.

00:39:47.620 Okay. Yes, yes. But I was citing as an example.

00:39:50.160 And all Christian men interpret it that way.

00:39:52.420 I agree. I never said all men. I said specifically that a lot of times religion is pointed to as

00:39:59.640 this is why women deserve to be oppressed. So I was citing that. And the same thing can be said for

00:40:04.780 Islam. A lot of men use that, use the Quran, as a way to oppress women. Any religion can be used to

00:40:12.220 oppress women. And so what I was saying was from the beginning of time, women have been oppressed

00:40:17.400 due to men's iteration of certain religions.

00:40:19.880 Well, this toxic or this oppressive behavior that you're observing is an individual, not a community.

00:40:27.020 Yes. I'm saying that religion can be weaponized. That has nothing to do with the entire religion

00:40:33.680 as a whole. I'm saying people can take religion regardless of what the religion is and weaponize

00:40:38.440 it. There will be extremist groups of any and every group that exists, but you should not label or

00:40:43.900 define a community by them. I never labeled anything as that. I just said...

00:40:46.880 You said Christianity is oppressive. I said men can take Christianity and weaponize it.

00:40:52.880 I think that's an overgeneralization. Saying that men can weaponize Christianity is an

00:40:57.000 overgeneralization? Yes. They can. They can. They can weaponize you.

00:41:01.540 They can and they have. It's possible, but that is an overgeneralization. I don't think you know

00:41:05.540 what that means. She never said the majority of men. Hold on. Well, let me let some chats come

00:41:09.640 through and then... Jacob Joseph donated $200. Chair one, you cited to the United Nations the same

00:41:16.780 United Nations that put Iran on the Human Rights Council. Can you please tell me about Iran's

00:41:22.240 record on women's rights? So, yeah, sure, friend. Joseph.

00:41:28.900 A message from the government of Canada. Hold on. What?

00:41:31.600 Pasty George donated $200.04. So, according to chair one, men such as myself who refuse to

00:41:39.860 enter into a relationship with a Western woman or any woman influenced in any way by feminism

00:41:45.420 are bad and more likely to unalive women. LOL.

00:41:50.320 Sorry for the delay on these guys. Sorry, two came in there. Do you want to address Jacob first

00:41:55.780 and then Pasty?

00:41:56.460 Sure. What I'm going to say to Jacob, right, is if you want to look at Iran, right, and you want to

00:42:06.540 look at what happened, okay, you can blame the United States and you can blame the West for that,

00:42:13.640 for staging a coup. The CIA was involved. Look it up. And putting Iran back into an oppressive regime.

00:42:21.600 And your response to, uh, Pasty George? Um, he said, oh, that we, that men who reject feminism

00:42:32.640 want to unalive women. Um. Anybody, really quick before you respond, uh, anybody want champagne?

00:42:39.560 I'm okay. Champagne? Champagne? Champagne? No, thank you. One, two, three, four. Do you happen to have

00:42:44.740 cider? No. No. Um. Champagne? Yes, yes. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. So, I don't think, I think, yes,

00:42:52.480 they have tendencies to be more dangerous towards women if you believe that you don't want to engage

00:42:58.820 with any women that have anything to do with feminism. That's a bit concerning, and I think

00:43:03.680 that men who believe that would be more violent towards women. That's it. Well, too late now.

00:43:08.900 Well said. Thanks. Do you want to? I'm okay. I'll take it. Uh, Celine, I know you wanted to jump

00:43:18.320 in on something there. Yes. Um. I don't know if you still have that. I'm, I'm not entirely educated

00:43:23.720 on the, the actual texts in the Quran, and I, I've read the Bible as a kid, but not in recent times,

00:43:30.000 so I'm not going to sit here and act like an expert, but from my knowledge, the literal, if we're

00:43:36.560 talking about just the text here, not the connotations, not the implications, not the

00:43:39.920 people behind the text, if we're talking about the text, I would argue that Islam is arguably

00:43:47.000 more oppressive than Christianity, just text-wise. I would say that Christian people that I have had

00:43:54.920 experience with have been a little bit more oppressive, but that's honestly because I've

00:43:58.640 met more Christian people than I have met Muslims. Um, but again, from my knowledge of the text,

00:44:04.700 it's much more oppressive. We're going to move off, uh, religion here, but really quick,

00:44:08.740 we'll do a cheers. We'll do cheers to Pasty George. He does champagne pop, uh, to, um, to

00:44:16.080 peace in the Middle East, I guess. Peace in the Middle East. Uh, since we're on the topic, uh,

00:44:22.200 Salou. Peace everyone. Thank you, Pasty George. It's very nice.

00:44:25.360 Oh, straight from the bottle. Okay. Um, we'll finish off on the back and forth and we'll get

00:44:35.400 it back to the dating stuff, I guess. Um, okay. So the UN look, my, I guess my position is just

00:44:40.880 you cited to the UN, I guess they did a study that these red pill men are. Yes. Correct.

00:44:48.300 Um, I don't think that UN is a particularly reputable, uh, source. So, but I mean,

00:44:58.020 I don't know if you had more on that or more in red pill. Uh, yeah. I mean, you were just,

00:45:05.620 I, I, I asked your relationship status and then you started talking about red pill and

00:45:10.300 all this stuff. No, I just said that I, that's when I encountered a red pill man who hated women

00:45:15.660 and it really opened my eyes up to the dangers that red pill is. How did your ex-boyfriend

00:45:21.620 hate women? Like, what did he demonstrate to you that made you believe that? Um, okay.

00:45:25.520 So it was a situation ship. Didn't get that far. Thankfully. So he didn't even care to make

00:45:30.880 it serious. Huh? So he didn't even want to make it serious. So how do you know that like

00:45:36.500 he wanted a real relationship with you if he wasn't like taking you seriously and like giving

00:45:40.660 you what you wanted? Like you obviously weren't getting what you wanted out of the red pill guys.

00:45:45.660 So you dipped on him. What did you like about him? Um, sorry. I'm just going to address what

00:45:52.140 you said first, which is how did I know? I think I kind of began to understand that he was red pill

00:45:58.620 when he started saying that statistically women cheat more than men do. And then red flags started

00:46:07.300 going off. I'm like, what is he talking about? That's crazy. That's just not true. Right. And so he

00:46:11.720 was saying all this stuff. Um, his behavior was just very hateful. A lot of the stuff he'd say,

00:46:17.680 um, it would be like insults, disguises, jokes, stuff like that. And I was like, damn. And then after I,

00:46:25.800 I took say the female red pill and I was awakened to, I was like, damn, you really hate women.

00:46:33.880 And then I began to go down this red pill pipeline. And I realized that a lot of what he was saying,

00:46:41.120 other men were saying the same thing. Um, talking about like sub five, sub whatever.

00:46:48.340 That's black pill. Oh, okay. For the record.

00:46:51.180 Well, there, there's like the, and I don't like these like terms and labels just because they're

00:46:56.180 so convoluted, but there's all kinds of different categorizations. There's like the manosphere.

00:47:00.900 And then there's like the red pill and then there's the pickup artists and then there's

00:47:03.940 the incels. And then there's the, uh, and there's like, I, my understanding is there's

00:47:09.000 a whole bunch of disagreement along all these, the looks maxers, which is like the, like you

00:47:14.560 have a recessed maxilla and your, your Stacey's and I don't, I don't, I'm not really familiar

00:47:22.140 with all that lingo, but, um, you, did you feel like in danger when you were dating him

00:47:29.080 or whatever? So I personally, it didn't really get that far to that point. So no, I, I did

00:47:35.600 not feel in danger. Oh, okay. But you, you said you took the female red pill. So you're

00:47:40.400 red pill. No, no, no, no, no, no. Fine. I I'll take that back. Female pill. The female

00:47:46.160 pill. Okay. So yeah, I'm going to make it up. The pink pill. What is the, what is the female

00:47:51.540 red pill or the pink pill? So it's something I'm coining. You're coining. I'm coining the female.

00:47:56.160 She coined it. There you go. I'm creating it. And it's to be awakened. It's to be awakened

00:48:01.920 to what is going on behind the scenes. That's my definition. What men are saying. That's

00:48:07.020 my definition. Okay. Well, it's now mine. I'm co-opting that term. I am co-opting that

00:48:11.700 term for my own views. Maybe we're both red pilled. No, I'm not red pilled. I'm going to,

00:48:16.760 I'll say, yeah, I'll say it's like my own definition and it's that we need to wake up to what these

00:48:23.440 men are saying online. We need to learn it and be able to spot them. Once we learn what they're

00:48:28.980 saying, we can take those methods. We can get them under our belt and we can learn to defend

00:48:34.120 ourselves and stay away from all red pill men until they learn that they need to change. And I think

00:48:39.680 that that can happen if we learn about what's going on. I see. Okay. Thank you. And you wrote in

00:48:47.080 your notes here that red pill men need to be eradicated. Yes. So all red pill men are toxic.

00:48:54.140 All red pill communities are toxic in your opinion. Um, if you believe that women are less

00:49:01.340 oppressed than men are and that females are the root of all evil, then wait, wait, one thing,

00:49:07.360 really quick on the first part there. When you say, uh, if you think that men are more oppressed

00:49:12.800 than women, what, what would actually, like you agree that women think that about, they don't think

00:49:19.420 that, but they think that women are more oppressed. I mean, maybe some women take the red pill. I

00:49:24.020 don't know. Maybe they've been brainwashed as well. No, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that

00:49:27.720 women think the inverse. Women think women are more oppressed. I think certain people think the

00:49:34.860 inverse because there could be women, there could be men that believe that women are more oppressed

00:49:39.560 and there could be women that believe that men are more oppressed. Right. But you, okay. You would

00:49:43.020 acknowledge that whether a man or a woman could believe and do believe that women are more oppressed

00:49:48.520 than men. Women are more oppressed. So men and women should acknowledge that. I didn't say should,

00:49:55.560 I'm saying they do. Okay. Sorry. Could you repeat what you said? So do you acknowledge that there are

00:50:01.380 women and men, I would categorize them as feminist who do believe that women are more oppressed.

00:50:07.240 Yes. Correct. Right. Do you believe that? Yes. Yes. So I'm trying to understand then what would

00:50:13.700 actually be wrong if somebody thought differently than you and did think that men were more oppressed

00:50:19.420 because that's basically the mirror of your belief. Okay. If your belief isn't wrong, why would it be

00:50:24.800 wrong for men to think, or even women to think that men have it worse or that men are more oppressed?

00:50:30.740 So I'm just saying like factually, right? If someone's, if someone's believing something that's

00:50:36.040 factually incorrect, I feel bad for them. I believe that they deserve to get educated.

00:50:40.300 How do we measure suffering?

00:50:43.200 So are we talking about oppression here? How do we measure?

00:50:46.260 Yeah. So I would look at it systematically.

00:50:48.960 System.

00:50:49.240 I would look at systematically, right? Over the years, what have been the systems in place? What

00:50:56.220 have been the rules? What have been the regulations? What have been the laws? And then once we look at

00:51:00.580 all of those systems, we can then come to a conclusion, right? So if we're looking at all

00:51:06.560 of the systems where women couldn't vote, women couldn't have their own credit cards, they couldn't

00:51:10.620 buy certain things, they needed men, right? That's what we call systematic oppression. Have

00:51:15.760 men faced that? No. Oh, men absolutely have. What systematic oppressions have they faced?

00:51:21.100 Oh, I love that you, and I love the framing of system. I'm so intrigued. I love the framing

00:51:25.600 of system. Are you familiar with the selective service system? No. Oh, are we talking about

00:51:31.480 the military? It's related to the military, yeah. Like deployment? You don't know, well, there's

00:51:39.500 the volunteer military, but I'm talking about selective service system. Are you familiar with

00:51:44.120 this? Is this, are we talking about? Wait, how can you, hold on, how can you have any position

00:51:48.640 on like equality and feminism if you don't even know the primary way and mechanism in

00:51:54.340 which men can be or are oppressed? The military? The selective, you're not, you don't even know.

00:51:59.000 The military industrial complex? Well, that's, hold on, military industrial complex is completely

00:52:03.980 different. Okay, so then can you explain it to me? Just, but just to be clear, you're not

00:52:06.760 familiar with the selective service system. No. I suppose, oh, I suppose. Okay, yes, thank you. Why

00:52:13.600 don't we just call it drafting, my friends? Because that's the formal term for it. That's

00:52:16.260 not like some gotcha where I'm using some like, hold on, hold on, where I'm using some like

00:52:20.480 vague, nebulous term to, no, it's literally the government's body. So it literally took

00:52:25.400 one word of her just saying it's drafting and it was all clear to me. So we could have

00:52:29.560 said, we could have used it. But I got what he meant. We could have used the most common term.

00:52:34.660 The selective service system is incredibly common. Okay, okay, so you're here acting like,

00:52:38.040 I don't know what that means, what it's like a basic government requirement. I do know

00:52:42.980 what that means. It's just typically referred to as drafting. Okay, and who is subject to

00:52:47.280 the draft in this country? Men. Are women ever subject to the draft or ever? Well, it has

00:52:53.200 not occurred. It has not occurred since feminism and third wave feminism hit, either third or

00:53:02.200 fourth wave. It has not occurred. So I do not know if there is a current draft if women would

00:53:06.780 be drafted as well. I'm unfamiliar with that. What hasn't happened? Men being forced to get

00:53:13.620 drafted. Well, I mean, feminism started in Seneca Falls in the late 1800s. Okay, yes. So there

00:53:19.160 absolutely were military drafts from the, even before the Civil War, before you could even say

00:53:25.640 there was like a, I would point to Seneca Falls, I believe in 1881 for like the genesis of feminism

00:53:32.120 in this country. The Civil War was prior to that, where there, men were drafted. Okay, so. But you're

00:53:39.680 saying there hasn't been a draft. When has been the last, when was the last draft? Vietnam, 1970s.

00:53:45.460 Okay. Yeah. So. After. So. After the right to vote. Okay, when? Utah, what do you mean when?

00:53:53.160 Sorry, I thought she was, she was. No, I was just. Well, so you have, you have women's right to vote.

00:53:58.180 Okay. You know what? Let's talk about the draft. Yeah, sure. So as it relates to the system that

00:54:04.720 exists, you said men haven't been systemically oppressed in any sort of way. I would argue that

00:54:09.540 forcing men who are otherwise unwilling to, that don't want to put life and limb at risk,

00:54:15.900 this is absolutely oppressive. If there was a government policy that, for example,

00:54:20.560 either did this to women or did like what I would argue the counterpart would be. So like,

00:54:25.320 for example, if you had a military police, like abducting women and forcing them to give birth,

00:54:31.240 this would absolutely be completely oppressive to women. Women have not really ever faced that.

00:54:37.640 However, throughout all of human history, but at least as it relates to United States law,

00:54:41.560 men have been forced by the United States government, which is a system. In fact, it's the most

00:54:46.800 powerful system in the entire world. They get forced. They get for, they got forced and they have

00:54:52.780 been forced as recently as Vietnam, the Vietnam war. There'd be men who would still be alive today

00:54:57.820 had they not been drafted. There are men who are alive today who have PTSD, who have missing limbs,

00:55:04.060 who have all kinds of problems. So yes, absolutely. Systemic oppression has been something inflicted

00:55:10.400 upon men. This is what I want to say. I agree with you. I think the military industrial complex

00:55:15.040 needs to end. I think the draft is terrible. I think war is awful. And I think the war that has been

00:55:20.920 executed by the United States is awful, right? But what I'm going to say here is that is one system,

00:55:30.280 as opposed to the multiple other systems that have specifically only been inflicted on women.

00:55:38.380 Okay. So if we're going to look at that one system and say, and we're going to say, okay, this one

00:55:44.560 system is a place where men have been oppressed. But then when it comes to the economy, when it comes

00:55:50.240 to rights to vote, when it comes to this, when it comes to all of these other things,

00:55:55.800 women have been oppressed, right? So if you can give me more examples, I would love that.

00:56:03.180 Can you give me an example of how women are currently being oppressed or an example of how

00:56:06.720 you are currently being oppressed as a woman? So I think that if we look around, right, and we look

00:56:14.060 at a lot of the violence that has been subjugated on women, a lot of the beauty standards, the domestic

00:56:21.980 violence, the sexual violence, et cetera, all of those are forms of oppression where women are being

00:56:28.460 oppressed by men and they're constantly put in danger because of those things.

00:56:32.900 I would actually argue that a lot of those have a lot more to do with feminism because it is a lot

00:56:37.400 of this. My choice is okay. Cause it's my choice. And so if it's my choice to show off my skin,

00:56:42.940 then now I'm setting that beauty standard that is in fact harming others in the end.

00:56:48.560 I'm sorry. How does that have anything to do with sexual violence at the hands of men?

00:56:52.700 Because I'm saying that it's, that's your choice in feminism, you know?

00:56:57.840 How does my choice have anything to do with sexual assault and domestic violence? Is it like

00:57:03.600 it's not exclusive to women? A sexual assault is not exclusive to women. Yeah, I'm not saying it is,

00:57:08.020 but rates are higher for women. And you know that that's not, you know, that you're demonizing a

00:57:13.080 small amount of men. Why? I mean, sorry, you're demonizing a large group of men based off what

00:57:18.140 very, very few do. And that's not fair. Again. So if we look at the rates of sexual assault and

00:57:25.220 domestic violence, they're much higher, right? In being inflicted upon women. Okay. So I'm just

00:57:32.060 talking about facts. So actually, I think that feminism has evidence of being dangerous because

00:57:36.580 the domestic violence crimes are escalating only in females and it's decreasing in men.

00:57:43.960 Hold on. Let's not shift the goalposts here. You were referencing systemic oppression.

00:57:48.040 Yeah, exactly. Governments are not forcing women to be essayed. So yeah, um, you would have to point

00:57:55.700 to like systemic oppression. Okay. So, so right. Like that's individual, individual crime, which is

00:58:02.060 bad, which is wrong. Yes. And I, okay. So I was, yes, I was referencing that based on today. Okay. If

00:58:08.380 we're talking about myself, what I'm personally facing, but then if we want to talk about systemically,

00:58:12.960 do you think that just all of a sudden those systems have dissipated just because the systems

00:58:17.980 have been eradicated doesn't mean that their effects aren't still there?

00:58:21.980 Give me an example of how you're actually currently being oppressed.

00:58:27.400 How I'm currently being oppressed. Okay. So because those systems have been in place so long

00:58:32.900 where women shouldn't have jobs, women shouldn't have financial stability, women shouldn't be in

00:58:37.800 charge of their own finances. A lot of families have come to think that that is the truth. They have

00:58:44.780 come to accept that they have come to see that as the correct way of living. And so a lot of families

00:58:51.820 don't prioritize their daughters getting educated or their daughters getting jobs or etc. I'm saying

00:58:59.240 maybe 20 years ago. Hold on. So what, what do you have to say then? My, my understanding across the

00:59:07.180 nation in the United States, the higher education gap, it's like 60, 40, 60% women. And this was the

00:59:15.000 case since 1980. So since 1980, 45 years ago, more women have been going to college and graduating from

00:59:22.720 college, going to university. So perhaps historically, this might've been the case, but now that the gap

00:59:28.120 exists in the other way, are you prepared to say that there's, uh, there's discrimination and sexism

00:59:33.180 against men given the disparity? Am I, no, I'm not prepared to say that. But there's a gap that

00:59:39.780 exists. Yeah. And, and, and why is that gap there? Maybe because women are being presented with more

00:59:46.640 opportunities just because they're women. But can we at least do a correction on this idea that

00:59:51.280 women are like disincentivized to go to university because more women go to university than men.

00:59:57.980 And I'm not, this isn't like fake news. We can, we can look it up. Uh, we could, if you guys go to a

01:00:03.760 specific university, perhaps it's even the case that the university you go to, uh, I'll know if

01:00:08.560 anybody here, you go to UCSB, the split, I believe is 55%, 45%. That's a 10% gap. There's more 50, 55%

01:00:17.680 women. Is the female not, is the female population not higher than the male population? It wouldn't

01:00:24.460 account for the, uh, perhaps very, in a very small way, it wouldn't account for such a massive gap

01:00:31.360 in higher education. Yes. I'm, I'm saying ideologies of certain families. I'm not saying,

01:00:40.060 absolutely. I'm not saying, Oh, specifically in the university, universities are accepting less

01:00:47.640 females than they are accepting males. But what I'm saying is there are certain families who don't

01:00:53.240 incentivize their daughters to go to school. That's more of a cultural issue.

01:00:58.120 Yeah. I mean, I, that's probably true. I don't think I would disagree there, but I mean, in terms

01:01:04.420 of what we actually see bared out by the data, more women go to university. This isn't, I'm not making

01:01:11.720 this up. We can Google it if you just want to, uh, reference it, but yeah, more women do go to,

01:01:17.100 uh, university and it's not by a small margin. I think in total, I I'm, it's either,

01:01:23.240 there are one or 2 million more women that go to university than there are men. And so this

01:01:28.880 accounts for a, uh, 60, 40 split in favor of women. What's your point?

01:01:38.300 What do you mean? Like she was saying that, well, these women, you know, they're, they're oppressed

01:01:44.000 because there's not a push, you know, that we're trying to limit how many women go to university,

01:01:48.360 but actually in terms of actual college enrollment, uh, getting a diploma, women are outperforming

01:01:54.620 men in that particular regard. So it's just a correction of, of factual inaccuracy.

01:02:00.560 Okay.

01:02:00.800 We should start off systemic oppression, right? So like as history is going on, we are changing

01:02:05.120 that as women. Who's changing that? You, men aren't changing that for us. Women are changing

01:02:08.440 that for us. So we could be in school and be in all these places.

01:02:11.680 I mean, from my personal experience in terms of the women, my life, the women I've seen,

01:02:16.860 it's always been a very normal ideology. Like women are ambitious. We go to, you know,

01:02:22.840 most mothers from my knowledge are pushing their daughters to go to school. It, that is completely

01:02:28.780 a cultural issue.

01:02:30.240 I wouldn't say so. It was like that in my house growing up. They were kind of more focused on

01:02:33.940 my brother.

01:02:34.680 Well, you live a little more Midwest.

01:02:36.020 Midwest. Right. That's why I'm like, I think like it's more so.

01:02:39.820 Which is culture.

01:02:41.460 Well, I don't know if Midwest is necessarily, I think it's just like more so what's rural

01:02:47.320 areas is the right term that like they focus on the men.

01:02:50.660 There is a culture to that though.

01:02:52.360 I don't think there's a dispute that absolutely there's absolutely anecdotal examples where

01:02:57.100 perhaps, uh, in certain families, there's like a, you know, Oh, the, the son has, you

01:03:02.420 know, I, I don't dispute that this happens, but, uh, in terms of the propaganda that's

01:03:07.020 out there, I mean, I don't think that there's like the propaganda I see is, uh, family, marriage,

01:03:14.140 children, at least directed towards women, family, marriage, children, secondary, college,

01:03:19.480 career, primary. And I don't really see much propaganda in the other direction where it's

01:03:24.400 like, no women stay. No, don't, don't go to college.

01:03:28.840 I will say that propaganda is more again in the, in the personal family life. Like you

01:03:35.680 don't see that online. Now I will say like, I maybe 10 years ago, you know, when I was

01:03:40.340 a little kid on the internet, it was different. But as of right now, I would say there's no

01:03:44.600 real propaganda against like women going to school unless it comes to motherhood. But again,

01:03:51.600 like in the families, the cultural aspects of that. Yeah, for sure. You're going to see

01:03:55.280 parents being like, no, I want my daughter to do this, this, this, and this, and this.

01:03:58.180 But that again is the family, the culture.

01:04:02.240 Coming back to this though, just because I mentioned the selective service system, this

01:04:07.100 is a robust system. Uh, it's, it's a part of the United States government. And you might

01:04:15.120 say, well, it's been so long. Cause I think you're maybe alluding to that in, in your argument,

01:04:20.340 you were saying, well, well, well, it happened so, so long ago, although I would argue my

01:04:25.920 counter to that would be, even if this was the case, well, I have two arguments that even

01:04:29.680 if it was the case, like if I, if I were to dismiss like any, uh, claims related to like

01:04:35.280 racism or like ways in which, uh, black people or other people of color might be disadvantaged

01:04:43.520 in the United States. And I just said to you, well, you know, like slavery was a really long

01:04:48.080 time ago. So it doesn't matter. You would like, you would probably say that's ridiculous

01:04:51.680 in that, in this same way, just because the last draft we actually had happened. Uh, even

01:04:57.780 if we looked at world war one, world war two drafts, though, those are hundreds of thousands

01:05:02.160 of men who were casualties of war in the Vietnam war, tens of thousands of men, casualties of

01:05:07.980 well, I mean, including injuries, hundreds of thousands as it relates to Vietnam war. And,

01:05:12.420 but also even today, it's not just like when there's actually a draft, women have a privilege

01:05:19.260 that men don't. And the privilege is as follows in order for me, me as a man to be able to vote

01:05:24.380 and women often bring up, well, women didn't have the right to vote, which is a separate

01:05:28.080 conversation we can get into in order for me as a man to have to vote. I have to register

01:05:33.680 with a selective service and I have to be potentially subject to military conscription in order for me

01:05:40.740 to be able to vote. I have to do something that you don't. This seems like women are then treated

01:05:46.380 then as a sort of privileged class in society. And in addition to that, even if there's not a draft,

01:05:52.160 even if I never see any sort of war, I'm probably aged out of it, but there are of course, you know,

01:05:57.080 young adult men from the age of 18 to 25 or whatever, who would be subject to it. There's other,

01:06:02.480 there's other issues with it too. Uh, you're, if you don't register with the selective service,

01:06:07.280 you're barred from federal loans. You're barred from federal jobs. Yeah. You can't, um, I'm trying

01:06:13.820 to think what I mean, technically it's a felony. There's a $250,000 fine. If you don't register with

01:06:18.380 the selective service, you can't vote. Uh, what was it? Student aid, student, student loans. I guess

01:06:24.620 same thing. You're barred from certain federal jobs, certain federal programs. So it seems like

01:06:30.200 there's, in order for men to have a right, men need to do more. Men have a duty to the United States.

01:06:39.580 What corresponding duty do women have? And I really can't think of one.

01:06:48.200 So what, what specifically are you asking me? Are you asking me, should women have the right to vote?

01:06:57.200 Systemic duty. No, I'm just, I'm not saying we should, I absolutely not making the case of

01:07:02.860 repealing the 19th. Uh, women do have the right to vote. I'm just saying attached to men's right to

01:07:10.980 vote comes a burden and a duty that is completely absent and as it relates to any sort of duty women

01:07:18.800 have. Men have duties. I, women don't. Yeah, I agree. It's not fair that, you know, men have

01:07:27.760 responsibilities that women don't yet. We have the equality and the privileges girl. What I'm not

01:07:33.660 going to lie. I can't disagree with what Brian's saying. Okay. Let me just break something down

01:07:38.720 for you. Queens. If you guys are confused, right. On what duty did women have? Am I queen too?

01:07:44.460 But legal duty. Can I be, sorry, go ahead. If you desire to be, right. So who was taking,

01:07:50.880 who was holding down the household, right. When men were off at war, right. So, oh, oh, oh,

01:07:56.440 legal. Okay. So what? They were just going to leave the kids in the street because it wasn't

01:08:00.700 like, girl, come on now. How hard do you think it is to clean and take care of a house?

01:08:05.120 It's a duty to take care of a child. Oh my God. It's not the house. No way. So you think that

01:08:10.600 it's simple to take care of the kids in the house? I don't think it's about that. I don't

01:08:14.300 think it's about that. Okay. What is it about? Until you have the privilege of having his kids,

01:08:17.580 I wouldn't even make that argument. Oh my God. What did you just say? So it's a privilege for a

01:08:24.880 woman to bear a man's child? I believe so. Yes. If it's a good man. What if it's being like

01:08:30.680 forced upon them? Is that still a privilege? Oh, hell no. Can you clarify? Like, okay. So

01:08:36.000 abortion is a big issue right now. Like Roe v. Wade just got like overturned in some states.

01:08:41.560 And so if women are being forced to give birth because it's not legal in their state to have an

01:08:48.260 abortion, is it still a privilege to you? I would still say, yes, abortion is a privilege.

01:08:52.800 Wait, no. That women currently hold that we should not have. Wait, to have a child. I'm saying,

01:08:57.300 it is a privilege to have a child. It's an honor. I agree with that. I'm sorry, but life is still

01:09:03.180 precious. Oh. Wait, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking, do you think it's a privilege to be

01:09:08.060 forced to have a child? I don't think it's great. What is force in this situation? What constitutes

01:09:14.840 this force? Someone gets raped and they can't have an abortion. That's force. Well, by that,

01:09:19.860 I would say, no, you don't have to have, I wouldn't. Okay. But hold on. I think it's fair. I think it's fair to at

01:09:24.940 least do an accounting of, you know, what percent of abortions or unwanted pregnancies are a result

01:09:32.320 of essay or incest as compared to just had a boyfriend, had a one night stand. It wasn't

01:09:41.700 non-consensual sex. 99% of abortions are not, it's just like, oopsie. Oopsies.

01:09:51.620 Where is the statistic from? But I just want to. I mean, it's accurate, but. So where is it from?

01:09:58.100 Where'd you get the statistic? I don't have the exact. I think it's a grand 5% of them that are

01:10:03.900 medically necessary. I did forget. Okay. So let's talk about economically necessary. What, so you'd

01:10:09.940 rather the mom carry out. I didn't say economically. I said medically. Let's add that to the statistic,

01:10:15.080 right? So just because it's medically necessary doesn't mean that the kid is going to. But I don't

01:10:18.880 think that really falls in line with morals and what we. Well, if we're talking about the economy,

01:10:24.580 if you're talking about not being able to support a child, that is entirely different than your want

01:10:29.020 to have a child or your need to care for a child. I'm going to let some chats come through. We're

01:10:33.120 going to come right back to this convo. Hold on. Oops. It was paused. My bad. Whoa. Sorry. One sec,

01:10:38.300 guys. We have a few, we have a couple of things going on. Do you have the stats while we're just

01:10:42.400 waiting on this channel? Thank you. She always, boy, boy, she always take her. AI is fine. So

01:10:52.540 like, wait, they did no research. Can you spell? Don't count me out yet. Don't count me out yet.

01:10:58.640 Uh, a message. I just haven't fired it. We'll come back to it. 50%, 40%. $200 and four cents.

01:11:06.880 Share one about pregnancy. Do you believe in pro-life or pro-choice? How are you oppressed in the

01:11:13.380 current male patriarchy? Do I believe in pro-life or pro-choice? Pro-choice? How are you?

01:11:21.940 Sorry. No, keep going. Keep going. Oh, um, okay. How are you oppressed in the current male patriarchy?

01:11:30.680 I explained that. Do you want to, um, what was his question? Oh, are you pro-life or pro-choice? I

01:11:37.080 assume pro-choice. Yeah. Okay. Um, and then how are you oppressed in the, I explained that. That was

01:11:42.540 our conversation. I guess we did already talk about that a little bit, but I do want to go back to that

01:11:47.340 statistic, right? We'll pull it up. Nick, do you have it? Uh, the image, just open image and new tab

01:11:52.960 just so we have, um, okay. Reasons for seeking an abortion, make it bigger and make us smaller.

01:11:58.640 Yeah. All right. Uh, so zero point, make it bigger, uh, 0.4% rape and incest, 0.3 risk to the woman's

01:12:08.260 life or major bodily function, 2.2 other physical health concerns, 1.2 abnormality in the unborn child,

01:12:15.600 95.9% elective and unspecified reasons. So that would include like financial reasons.

01:12:21.540 Yeah. At least it's not 99. So, so that statistic, right? So when you are looking at a statistic,

01:12:27.380 first of all, you need to understand where did this stat come from, right? So is it, is this a pro

01:12:32.840 life organization, right? First thing, probably is. Second thing that I want to say is it's objective.

01:12:40.280 It's probably not. A lot of the internet is not objective. The next thing I want to say is it does

01:12:45.520 not account financial situation, right? It doesn't account if two people are homeless and have a kid

01:12:50.380 and are about to birth a newborn. That's also going to be living on the street. Well, that would fall

01:12:54.580 under the 95%. Yes, exactly. But when you're telling me, oh, this statistic is why is abortion

01:12:59.780 necessary? As if it's, it's, it's just two people having fun, right? They could have the kid,

01:13:05.060 they could financially support it. They could send it to college. They could feed it, right? But a lot of

01:13:08.920 the time that's not true, especially in this current economy that we're living in. You can prevent a

01:13:13.800 pregnancy though. Yeah. A hundred percent preventable. You can prevent it. Okay. And then

01:13:19.180 this, this, the other thing I want to, I want to ask is why do you feel that abortion is a privilege?

01:13:25.560 It's a privilege because it's a choice that women get to make that men don't and men are needed to

01:13:30.080 make up half of that DNA that that baby uniquely has. I think it goes actually a little deeper than

01:13:35.380 that as it's as well as the fact that basically men don't, they don't go through pregnancy.

01:13:45.080 Obviously women go through pregnancy and we experience a lot of things during pregnancy.

01:13:50.860 There's a lot of complications, implications, whatever you want to talk about, but that's more

01:13:55.060 of like social, that's social issues. Those are issues in individual and we're not talking about

01:13:59.860 systemic things or anything like that. If we're talking about that, we can talk about in other

01:14:04.520 countries where abortion is not available whatsoever, even when it's medically necessary.

01:14:12.020 Hold on. Let me really quick. I need to read the chat here.

01:14:15.720 Chair one is majorly misaligned. She may not be red pill, but she always takes the pill for sure.

01:14:22.500 Channel. Thank you for the super chat. I guess we have pasty George coming in here with a message.

01:14:29.240 George Jorge coming in here. Thank you. Channel ID. Appreciate that guys. If you want to

01:14:34.500 get a read in from the government, it's a hundred TTS 200 pasty George donated $200 and four cents.

01:14:41.100 Chair one. If you are oppressed, then how is it that you are able to wear, get educated

01:14:45.880 by designer clothes, paint your nails, style your hair, wear makeup, and even start an only vans.

01:14:53.100 If you chose to.

01:14:54.160 Why is that your definition of oppression? You think that just because a woman, a woman

01:15:00.940 gets to do her hair and have nails on, she's not oppressed. What?

01:15:08.180 Maybe the education part. Okay. That was, that was, that was one thing. And it didn't even cite all

01:15:14.480 the other issues that I talked about. Yeah. But so really quick here going, I guess going back to the

01:15:20.120 central topic, then I would like to hopefully bring it to some of the dating stuff. Yes. Um,

01:15:24.880 you know, we were talking basically this whole stemmed from, uh, you say like red pill is an

01:15:31.360 epidemic. Red pill men are an epidemic. You want to eradicate, I think was the word you used. You

01:15:36.860 want to eradicate red pill. Just really quick. What do you mean by eradicate? Like, do you want to,

01:15:41.100 if you were eradicate, if they need to stop having those thoughts, I want to eradicate that way of

01:15:46.780 thinking, what if they don't, um, what do you do? I would put them in prison. Educate them.

01:15:51.540 You, you want to do, no, I never said that. I said, I want to educate them. You want to put them

01:15:57.760 in education. No, I never said that. You, you want to, why is that the first thing that came to mind?

01:16:03.720 Well, I mean, okay. So you want to, I want to reeducate them. You want to reeducate them. So,

01:16:08.880 so I want to provide them resources where they can learn that this doesn't have to be their way of

01:16:14.940 life. They don't have to cling onto this, this desperate attempt to feel worthy, right? They

01:16:21.680 don't need that. They can, they can find love. It's okay. Okay. And then going back to the topic

01:16:28.940 though. But I do just want to go back to this topic of abortion. Cause I do feel some like crazy

01:16:33.380 claims were made. We haven't even figured out what everybody's dating status is. Well, your claims

01:16:37.520 just blew me away, girl. I've never heard that before. Because we didn't, it was sort of a

01:16:42.960 derailment from the original topic. But this is important. Why are we wasting time talking

01:16:47.040 about red pill when, when someone has claims? But you said red pill. Don't talk over each

01:16:52.020 other. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to make a note and then time permitting later,

01:16:56.700 we can come back to the abortion debate, but that's a separate conversation. So again, the,

01:17:01.320 the topic was about, uh, is someone scared to talk about abortion? I mean, it's not really my

01:17:07.600 wheelhouse. Um, why would you assume I said that? Because we, you don't want to talk about it.

01:17:12.020 You just keep circling back to red pill. Let's talk about red pill. Well, that was the original,

01:17:15.460 original topic. Okay. So we don't, we can't open a new topic. It's not that I'm scared. It's that

01:17:21.020 I want to finish off this topic and then time permitting, we can come back to the abortion

01:17:25.660 topic later. So you feel like there's more to discuss on this topic on abortion on red pill. Oh

01:17:33.920 yeah. There's plenty. I didn't, we didn't even finish. Goodness gracious. Well, ultimately I,

01:17:38.040 I forwarded my position about, cause you laughed and you said, well, how men are in systemically

01:17:42.780 oppressed, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I presented, I think a quite compelling way in which men

01:17:47.600 historically have been oppressed. Men are currently oppressed today by a system. Um, I'd like to

01:17:53.580 perhaps hear a rebuttal from you or some sort of, because your position is there's not systemic

01:17:58.240 oppression directed towards males. I believe there is. I present. So are you willing to revise your

01:18:03.700 position? Do you think I'm wrong? So I want to ask you this, right? What do you feel should happen

01:18:09.700 here? Right. So you're saying that these men have been oppressed. What should occur now?

01:18:15.540 Yeah. I think two, I guess two things. One, as it relates to any sort of discussions as to

01:18:22.240 either oppression or, uh, privileges or rights in this country, I think feminists need to stop with this

01:18:29.860 bullshit that women have uniquely been oppressed in this country and that there's no dimensions at all

01:18:39.140 as to male victimization, male suffering and male oppression. Um, so there at least needs to be some

01:18:45.200 acknowledgement that yes, actually men have it perhaps worse in X, Y, Z way. Men have unique

01:18:50.900 problems that uniquely affect them as it relates to their gender, much in the same way that women have

01:18:55.920 unique problems that impacted them uniquely and their gender. Feminists seem absolutely wholeheartedly

01:19:01.640 against making any sort of giving any sort of grounds to the possibility that, cause it completely

01:19:07.900 destroys the framework of feminism as painting women as victims and men while painting women as oppressed

01:19:15.380 and men as the oppressors because it completely demolishes your entire framework. Okay. So that's the

01:19:21.120 first thing. The second thing is in, in the interest of equality, women should be drafted.

01:19:29.180 Okay. So on, okay. So on the topic of women being drafted, sure. I'm not against that. I'm, I'm against

01:19:39.320 war. So I'm against everyone being drafted. Right. Right. Now when it comes to women being oppressed,

01:19:47.280 right? So we talked about systematic struggles. What we didn't talk about is social issues, right?

01:19:53.460 We didn't talk. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Did you have something to say? Well, it seems like you're

01:19:58.080 about to say anyways, moving it on. Let's focus on this. Let's focus on this. No, I wasn't going to

01:20:04.900 say that. I was going to say, if we want to address it as a whole, if we want to look at oppression as an

01:20:09.660 entirety, we need to address both the systematic and the social. But if you want me to talk on the

01:20:15.420 systematic, yes, sure. If you want to say that men have been oppressed because of the draft,

01:20:20.380 you have that, right? That's one thing, but it's ignoring, it's ignoring the fact that it is because

01:20:27.300 you're not looking at how women weren't allowed to be in certain positions of power, how women

01:20:31.660 weren't allowed to get certain jobs, how women weren't allowed to get an education, how women

01:20:36.540 were not given access to financial independence. Right. So that is a long list of things that we as a

01:20:44.060 society have widely recognized. Now you pointing to me and saying, okay, this is the draft, right?

01:20:49.800 That's one issue. And if a woman wanted to be drafted, she can be drafted nowadays. If she,

01:20:55.840 okay, if she wanted to, she can volunteer, but the implied in this idea, hold on, hold on.

01:21:02.720 Baked into military conscription is the idea of against one's will. So yes, women and men can

01:21:10.560 volunteer and they do. However, when we're talking about, so, so hold on, if a woman wanted to be

01:21:16.640 drafted, she, that, that removes the component of an unwillingness on the woman's part to participate

01:21:22.620 in the military. Okay. So that wouldn't, uh, that's like, hold on. That's almost like,

01:21:27.820 that's like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let me just repeat back your argument to you. That's like

01:21:32.300 a woman who, um, wait, hold on. How do I frame this? It's like, okay. So you want to, you want

01:21:41.240 to hang up on the fact that I miss said literally one word, right? So I, I, I meant volunteer. I meant

01:21:48.280 a woman, a woman can volunteer herself to join the military. So I'm saying, what does it have to do

01:21:53.740 with the draft? So what I am saying is that that is not a, I want to do this, but I cannot,

01:22:01.500 right. It's something that's imposed on men that is not imposed on women. Yes. Okay. It is not,

01:22:07.620 I'm going to take this away from you while I'm going to give it to men. So what I'm saying here

01:22:13.940 is that what we need to, what I'm asking you is, can you name more things that you feel men deal

01:22:21.340 with that can list out the list of like five examples that I've given you how, of how women

01:22:26.680 have been oppressed. Right. So I'm, I can give you systematic and I can, I haven't even gotten

01:22:31.160 into social issues that women face and social oppression that they face. So I'm listing out

01:22:35.900 five, six systematic issues. Can you list out six systematic issues that men deal with?

01:22:41.160 I didn't commit to memory all the ones that you listed, but yeah, I could, I could do it.

01:22:44.500 I could do it again. Yeah. Really quick though. First, I'm going to, I'm going to need a concession

01:22:48.860 before I move on to the next thing. Are you willing to acknowledge that as it relates to a selective

01:22:54.580 service, forced military conscription, this is uniquely a male problem. It's something that uniquely

01:22:59.440 impacts men. And it's something that is in many ways, uh, oppression of men that doesn't

01:23:05.140 apply to women. And it's a, it's a paradigm in which men have it worse as compared to women.

01:23:10.780 But wait, but who's doing that? Men are doing that. Men are pushing other men and women.

01:23:15.680 So women are calling you getting, making you get drafted? No. Women are also voting. How would

01:23:22.080 it be relevant? They weren't voting at the time. Oppressing the men is the draft, right? But like

01:23:26.580 women aren't doing that. Thank you. We have a constitutional, hold on. So men are oppressing

01:23:31.180 other men. That's what you're saying. That makes literally no sense. It's a byproduct of the

01:23:34.780 patriarchy. It's what men did to themselves. I mean, they did that to themselves. I think there's

01:23:38.740 some nuance to that. Wow. That's a great red herring. That's a great red herring. I'm happy to get

01:23:43.820 into who's to blame for the systems that have been established for centuries or millennia.

01:23:51.080 That's a separate, that's a great red herring. Congratulations on your red herring. I'm still

01:23:56.580 having to see. Hold on. I have not, I have not received, I have not actually received an answer

01:24:04.640 to my question. So I'm happy to address the red herring, but address my question first.

01:24:09.620 Okay. So I need to address that you want the answer that you want me to give.

01:24:13.820 I think I laid out a compelling argument. Okay. Is my argument wrong? So is your argument

01:24:19.700 wrong? I respond, right? With her point. And I'm also responding. That's not a response.

01:24:25.580 Okay, fine. Who set that? Okay. So what, who set that system up? Men set that system up.

01:24:30.400 Yeah. We can talk. That's a separate convo. Okay. I'm happy to engage you there,

01:24:34.400 but that's a separate convo. My questions still stand. Your question still stands. Right. So the

01:24:39.360 difference between what I am saying of the list of systematic things that I gave you, right?

01:24:48.360 Those. Which I'm going to address, but you need to answer my question first. Those were

01:24:52.780 inflicted upon women. Yes. By taking away rights from them. Yeah. Yeah. Bad thing has happened. Many

01:24:59.020 bad thing has happened to women. Bad things. I'm asking you. Right? Yeah. Plural. Sure. Yeah. S.

01:25:04.560 But you're, you're still evading my question. I would like an answer to my question. Is it possible

01:25:09.380 for a feminist to ever do an acknowledgement of any sort of dimension in which men can be oppressed

01:25:17.140 or be less privileged than women? By the way, let me finish before you jump in, but go ahead.

01:25:24.360 Sorry if I upset you with that. I'm not upset, but it would be nice for me to be able to finish my

01:25:28.120 thought. I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt your feelings. My feelings aren't hurt. I don't need

01:25:32.060 the sassiness though. Go ahead. Wait, I'm not being sassy. I was trying to be nice. That's you being

01:25:36.980 nice? Yeah. I'm a little too old. I was literally just checking in on you. Thank you. I appreciate

01:25:42.460 that. I've been checked in on. I feel better now. Go ahead. Okay, good. That's all I wanted.

01:25:48.080 Clearly. What? You're good. Go ahead. I'm trying to make people feel comfortable. Let's get back to

01:25:53.100 the condo. I just wanted to make you feel comfortable. Is that wrong of me? I feel like

01:25:57.260 you're evading. Can we get back to the condo? I'm not. Oh, I'm evading now. Okay. Because now we're

01:26:01.420 having a meta conversation and you're not addressing my points. Okay, sorry that I am evading. I hope

01:26:05.720 this is a persona. Yes, you are evading. Just address my point. Okay, so I will address your point. If we're

01:26:11.400 going to talk about oppression as a whole, it is a group of people imposing a structure upon

01:26:19.360 another group of people, therefore oppressing them, right? So did women impose the military

01:26:27.680 draft upon men, therefore oppressing them? No. But can you make... By proxy.

01:26:33.560 So then tell me how women were the ones who opposed it on that. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, sure.

01:26:37.520 So, okay. I would look to... Yeah, yeah. I'll answer your question. So World War II, the Vietnam

01:26:42.920 War, Korean War... I'm trying to think if there was any other conflicts in between there. Probably

01:26:48.980 some more minor conflicts that I don't even... I don't need to bring up. So ever since 1920s,

01:26:53.220 women have had the right to... The complete right to vote since the 1920s. The United States

01:26:59.380 is a constitutional republic. You vote in a representative. You're... On behalf of your vote,

01:27:05.720 you vote in a representative who operates in the Senate, the House of Representatives, the

01:27:10.920 executive branch, so the president or whatever. These systems of government would then make

01:27:16.100 a determination if there's going to be a military draft. It happened in World War II after women

01:27:21.100 got the right to vote. It happened in Vietnam after women got the right to vote. It happened

01:27:25.480 in the Korean War after women got to write the vote... Got the right to vote, excuse me. So

01:27:29.800 by proxy and through our democratically elected officials, which again, ever since the 1920s,

01:27:36.020 women have had perfectly equalized voting rights as it relates to men. So yes, women absolutely

01:27:43.300 are involved in the vote, voting in elected officials who do vote to send men to war. This

01:27:52.040 idea that... And you women pick who your representatives are going to be. You get to vote on them.

01:27:58.640 Everybody picks men and women.

01:27:59.880 Right. Collectively.

01:28:00.860 So you're saying...

01:28:02.300 You still haven't answered my question though. So I've just answered multiple of your questions.

01:28:06.120 Yeah, but I'm asking...

01:28:07.400 Answer my question.

01:28:08.500 I'm asking... That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I want you to prove that it is in fact

01:28:12.160 oppression. Okay.

01:28:13.780 Wait, hold on. So you don't think men can oppress... Let me grant your position. You're

01:28:18.440 right. It's an evil patriarchy. Men have all the power. Men can't oppress other men?

01:28:24.020 Yes. Yes. So when...

01:28:25.980 Okay, great. So even if I grant your position, but I dispute it, then men are oppressed.

01:28:30.700 So what I'm... Let me... Can I talk? Thank you. Men... Okay. We're talking about the oppression

01:28:40.880 of a gender, right? So if we're talking about oppression when it comes to women, men, we are

01:28:47.560 talking... You want me to say that men have been oppressed by the opposite gender, correct?

01:28:54.620 No, I didn't say that necessarily.

01:28:56.360 Okay. But if we're talking about oppression and sex, the only opposite sex that could have

01:29:01.040 oppressed men would be women. I'm not looking...

01:29:03.160 We're talking about gender and oppression, correct?

01:29:05.520 I'm not looking at it through the paradigm of what is the gender of the oppressor?

01:29:10.420 Maybe it's...

01:29:10.620 But that's what we're talking about.

01:29:11.800 No.

01:29:12.220 Where you're talking about dating and we're talking about...

01:29:14.580 What?

01:29:15.320 ...the different sexes.

01:29:16.300 My question to you is not what is the gender of the people who are inflicting suffering or

01:29:22.580 oppression?

01:29:22.600 That's literally what we've been talking about for the past 35 minutes.

01:29:25.300 We've been talking about men and women.

01:29:26.900 What have we been talking about then?

01:29:28.300 Oh my God.

01:29:29.080 When did I make the claim?

01:29:31.060 I never made a claim about the gender of the oppressors.

01:29:33.960 I was making a claim about the gender of the oppressed.

01:29:37.780 Do you agree with that?

01:29:40.080 Okay.

01:29:40.660 Okay, sure.

01:29:41.860 Men, selective service.

01:29:44.320 That has to do with the gender of the oppressed.

01:29:46.840 Okay, yes.

01:29:47.440 And if we're talking about two different sexes, who else would be the oppressor?

01:29:52.440 We're not talking about oppression in the general world.

01:29:55.260 We are talking about two various sexes and oppression, right?

01:29:59.800 So we're talking about the two various sexes and the relationship to that oppression.

01:30:04.680 I don't think power is quite as black and white as you think.

01:30:09.000 I understand.

01:30:10.060 And a lot of them...

01:30:10.540 I don't think it's just men bad.

01:30:12.780 Men have all power, men bad.

01:30:14.720 I agree with you.

01:30:15.260 I think it's more complicated than that.

01:30:15.900 And I agree.

01:30:16.760 I never said that.

01:30:17.900 I did not simplify it to that.

01:30:20.240 And I don't think it is that simple.

01:30:22.420 You guys literally did.

01:30:22.980 Well, who's oppressing the...

01:30:25.060 That's exactly what you did.

01:30:25.740 Yes, I understand that.

01:30:26.860 But if you want me...

01:30:27.320 Exactly what you did.

01:30:28.140 Okay, I know.

01:30:28.580 And if you want...

01:30:29.180 No, no, no, no.

01:30:29.840 That's not what I did, first of all.

01:30:31.360 No, it is not.

01:30:32.140 You employed...

01:30:32.720 I'm saying we are talking about men and women.

01:30:34.900 If you want me to get into the imperialist, capitalistic structure that this world is,

01:30:39.320 I can talk about that too.

01:30:40.420 But I'm keeping it to men and women because this is a dating podcast.

01:30:45.860 Okay.

01:30:46.260 But anyways, back to your point, I'm sorry that you could potentially get drafted.

01:30:53.300 I understand that that could scare you.

01:30:55.200 It could make you feel uncomfortable.

01:30:57.400 Is this genuine, what you're saying right now?

01:31:00.240 It seems a bit sarcastic.

01:31:01.380 Why is it...

01:31:01.980 Just because I talk like this doesn't mean it's not genuine.

01:31:05.140 Well, there's a bit of a deadpan to your delivery, so...

01:31:08.180 That's just how I talk.

01:31:10.340 I'm sorry.

01:31:12.120 Okay.

01:31:12.420 Just naturally condescending.

01:31:15.640 I'm not trying to be condescending.

01:31:17.500 If you feel condescended, I'm sorry.

01:31:19.480 It's okay.

01:31:19.820 It just comes naturally, I suppose.

01:31:21.680 Okay.

01:31:23.400 I mean, but I feel like, for example...

01:31:25.340 For example, really quick.

01:31:28.100 I think it's very easy for me to say the following.

01:31:32.020 That there were periods in human history where men possessed rights that women didn't.

01:31:36.820 And I can acknowledge this.

01:31:38.180 And this would be like, we might bicker about certain, you know, how long it potentially

01:31:44.400 lasted or, you know, the severity of some of these things and the accuracy of some of

01:31:49.640 these things.

01:31:50.020 But I can...

01:31:50.860 I have no problem saying that, yes, there were instances in human history, or like recent,

01:31:56.940 more recent human history.

01:31:58.160 And there are paradigms in which women had it worse.

01:32:01.380 I'm simply asking, as it relates to this specific topic, forced military conscription, the draft,

01:32:07.720 the selective service system, can you acknowledge that as a metric, a paradigm in which men have

01:32:14.800 it worse than women?

01:32:15.620 That's my question.

01:32:16.320 It's very simple.

01:32:17.160 Okay.

01:32:18.040 If we're not talking about oppression, without the oppression into the argument, if we're just

01:32:24.840 talking about there is draft, men drafted, women not drafted, if we're talking about

01:32:30.840 that, specifically that, I can say that that's sad, that's unfortunate, and it's hard for

01:32:39.280 men, sure.

01:32:40.620 Do I think it is a byproduct of the patriarchy?

01:32:43.920 You can think that, yeah.

01:32:45.100 I do think it's a byproduct of the patriarchy.

01:32:47.360 Do I recognize that it could perhaps be a unique experience for men?

01:32:51.580 Sure.

01:32:51.780 I can recognize that, okay?

01:32:53.800 But do I think it is the byproduct of the fact that we live in a patriarchal society?

01:32:59.560 I do think that.

01:33:00.760 And do I think that it means that men are oppressed by women?

01:33:03.740 No, I don't think that.

01:33:04.720 That wasn't my position.

01:33:05.520 Okay, I'm glad.

01:33:06.680 That's not your position.

01:33:06.940 My position is not that men are oppressed by women.

01:33:11.140 I'm not really so interested in exploring the potential perpetrators of oppression, which

01:33:19.000 I think is a really nuanced topic that doesn't just relate to whether you have a vagina or

01:33:25.480 a penis, but has a lot more to do with, probably has a lot more to do with, you know, wealth

01:33:33.220 differences, class differences, and just like existing power structures, less so to do with

01:33:39.580 men, because if we do make it about men, then we're getting into an apex fallacy.

01:33:45.660 So men are basically, you know, there's some difference, 50% of the populace.

01:33:51.340 What percentage of men, which I think in the United, what is the population in the U.S.?

01:33:55.320 Like 300, 400 million, 350, 380 million or something.

01:33:59.700 I don't know, half that or men or whatever.

01:34:01.040 What percentage of men have really any say whatsoever?

01:34:07.640 Like the average man has no more say in the system than does a woman.

01:34:13.540 Also, I guess I would ask, for those of you said, well, who set that system up?

01:34:19.160 Do you think men deserve current disadvantages then?

01:34:23.760 Say the answer.

01:34:24.560 Well, you said, well, men set that system up.

01:34:26.640 Well, because you were talking about like, okay, that's the oppression that you're facing

01:34:29.740 is the draft, right?

01:34:30.520 So I was like, well, who set it up?

01:34:31.380 Into the mic.

01:34:32.340 It was men.

01:34:33.300 Right.

01:34:33.720 But so do you think men deserve current disadvantages then?

01:34:37.220 Current disadvantages, which are?

01:34:40.280 Just the draft.

01:34:41.600 There's others, but just the draft.

01:34:43.560 Do you think they deserve it?

01:34:45.140 Do men deserve it, even if it is the case that men set the system up?

01:34:50.580 Yes!

01:34:50.940 They deserve the draft.

01:34:55.880 I'm trying to assume.

01:34:57.540 They deserve the draft, and they set it up.

01:34:59.740 Or any other way in which men may have it worse than women in society.

01:35:05.400 Because men have more power in society, do the men who are negatively affected, do they

01:35:11.060 deserve those current disadvantages?

01:35:15.340 Damn.

01:35:16.320 I mean, you can...

01:35:17.120 Because it's like, you set it up, so it's like it's on you, and like, damn, you did it

01:35:20.620 to yourself.

01:35:22.300 But he did bring up earlier how women were...

01:35:24.140 I don't think we should say that here.

01:35:25.480 Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

01:35:26.700 But an 18-year-old man, what did he do?

01:35:34.140 Because I don't believe in collective guilt.

01:35:35.500 Man, it's a system, right?

01:35:36.680 It's the system, yeah.

01:35:38.120 But these systems, these power structures, and these hierarchies...

01:35:42.720 But then, okay, what did he do, right?

01:35:44.060 What did that 18-year-old, that man, right?

01:35:45.500 Nothing.

01:35:45.680 But then, same thing with the women.

01:35:46.700 What does she do?

01:35:47.560 So it's like, do any of them deserve it?

01:35:50.300 I guess no, right?

01:35:50.960 I think the point is that it goes both ways.

01:35:53.960 What?

01:35:54.640 If an 18-year-old man doesn't deserve it, an 18-year-old woman doesn't deserve it?

01:35:56.980 I also wouldn't say 18-year-old man or woman.

01:35:59.100 I would say teenager, because...

01:36:00.520 I think it's astonishing how quickly concern for the vulnerable vanishes when the vulnerable

01:36:08.420 happens to be male.

01:36:10.600 I find that interesting.

01:36:11.760 But why is it only vulnerable because it's a man?

01:36:14.360 I'm saying if it's both.

01:36:15.980 Like, do you say if it's vulnerable, if it's a woman, too?

01:36:18.160 It's both.

01:36:18.900 It's both.

01:36:19.320 It's the system.

01:36:19.820 The system made it.

01:36:20.520 But you, your position was men set the system up.

01:36:23.600 Yeah.

01:36:24.520 Thus, my interpretation of that, your argument would appear to be, well, it doesn't, it's

01:36:33.040 not as bad.

01:36:34.560 It's not as bad.

01:36:35.540 And we can kind of hand wave it away.

01:36:37.640 You know, any problems that men could conceivably face, we can kind of hand wave it away.

01:36:43.180 I would say it was not as bad because, like, men are a little stronger than women.

01:36:48.260 So, like, in the war sense, it's not as bad as a man fighting than a woman fighting.

01:36:53.800 Well, that's a...

01:36:54.940 That's an opinion.

01:36:55.960 For sure.

01:36:56.680 Yeah, it is my opinion.

01:36:57.340 That's why I said it.

01:36:58.280 No, like, literally, it's an opinion.

01:37:00.120 I don't think that means that they necessarily deserve that, even though their men set that

01:37:05.540 system up.

01:37:05.800 I think that the people who set up systems like that are also the ones that don't have

01:37:09.560 to do it.

01:37:10.540 Yeah.

01:37:10.820 Yeah.

01:37:11.540 But I don't think any man deserves that.

01:37:13.840 I'm honestly just, like, really intrigued about all of you guys' dating experience.

01:37:18.720 Like, I don't think it's fair that I'm the only one that had to share.

01:37:21.900 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:22.260 That's not the case.

01:37:23.160 I just feel like...

01:37:23.280 That's what we've been waiting to get around to for, like, a half an hour now.

01:37:25.740 Well, I just don't feel that I should be the only one to share, you know?

01:37:29.280 I'm just surprised.

01:37:29.920 I know.

01:37:30.300 I really do want to hear other people, too.

01:37:32.060 Same.

01:37:32.780 Oh, my God.

01:37:33.820 I'm happy to try to move it on a little bit, but...

01:37:36.740 Well, I'm just curious about other people here, as well.

01:37:39.120 Yeah, I agree.

01:37:40.140 I would just say men didn't set anything up as a monolith in response to your guys'

01:37:46.540 well, what about men?

01:37:48.700 They set the system up.

01:37:50.520 Most men, majority of men, 99.99% of men, weren't sitting at the table when these systems

01:37:56.720 were built.

01:37:57.200 So who was at the table?

01:37:58.320 Oh, a bunch of old men.

01:38:00.580 Other men.

01:38:01.820 Like, still...

01:38:02.940 Girl, we're talking other men.

01:38:05.560 What?

01:38:06.000 Then what's the point?

01:38:07.840 What's the point?

01:38:08.500 Can you tell me the point?

01:38:09.260 I feel that that will come with the full discussion.

01:38:11.980 Girl, you...

01:38:12.840 Okay.

01:38:15.800 So...

01:38:16.240 Yeah, this would just be an apex fallacy, and I would say it has more to do...

01:38:19.720 So I'm asking you, who set that system up?

01:38:22.680 Do you think that you should be punished for something that your great-great-great-great-great-grandma

01:38:26.900 did just because you're a woman and you got a coochie?

01:38:29.800 Like, that doesn't make any freaking sense.

01:38:31.820 I love that word.

01:38:32.740 No, I just love that word.

01:38:33.580 Is this question from saying cooters?

01:38:35.060 Okay, I'm asking...

01:38:36.460 So now you are evading my question.

01:38:38.460 I'm not evading any question.

01:38:39.100 So who set the system up?

01:38:41.540 People in power.

01:38:42.180 Men who are in power.

01:38:43.000 Who was in power, sir?

01:38:44.660 You're deflecting because women are still responsible for voting that system in to keep

01:38:49.320 men drafted.

01:38:50.500 I'm talking about the old system, but more women were voting.

01:38:52.000 Women are still responsible.

01:38:53.660 At least half responsible.

01:38:54.900 Okay, so we're, like, going in circles.

01:38:56.960 It's a shared responsibility.

01:38:58.640 We vote together.

01:38:59.280 It's a democracy.

01:39:00.160 Girl, you literally think...

01:39:01.100 So it's both men and women.

01:39:02.040 You literally think that a woman carrying a child is a privilege, okay?

01:39:07.900 So...

01:39:08.220 It's an honor.

01:39:08.920 I know where you stand.

01:39:09.880 Don't go back to that.

01:39:10.920 We're not going to go back to that.

01:39:12.460 No, I'm just saying that I know where you stand.

01:39:14.160 You're deflecting.

01:39:15.300 You really are.

01:39:15.860 You can't even stay on the damn point.

01:39:18.120 At least I'm talking.

01:39:19.520 You're talking too much.

01:39:20.460 Let somebody else talk a little bit.

01:39:21.740 Okay, you don't want to be quiet.

01:39:23.460 Please and thank you.

01:39:24.300 Look, what you're doing is you're blaming the entire gender for decisions made by elites.

01:39:30.260 I'm sorry.

01:39:30.780 I'm talking too much.

01:39:31.680 I don't think I should talk anymore.

01:39:33.020 And you're not listening.

01:39:33.920 Maybe you should do that more.

01:39:34.780 It's just lazy.

01:39:35.260 It's a bit lazy thinking.

01:39:36.620 Like, to just say...

01:39:37.680 To blame an entire gender for decisions made by, like, .00001 of that gender.

01:39:43.940 Like, when the men who were in power, when they died, their power didn't, like, disseminate

01:39:50.180 to 99.999% of men.

01:39:52.800 It typically went down.

01:39:54.600 Went to another man.

01:39:55.360 Well, it could be familial, too.

01:39:57.020 So we had many queens throughout history.

01:39:58.860 By the way, speaking of this, they actually did an analysis of comparing monarchs, male

01:40:05.240 monarchs to female monarchs.

01:40:07.680 Queens were way more likely to wage war than men.

01:40:10.440 So this idea that, well, you know, if we had women in charge, then there wouldn't be wars,

01:40:14.920 and it would be some peaceful utopia, is actually ridiculous.

01:40:18.560 It's actually ridiculous.

01:40:19.520 So I don't really see this, the purpose of pointing the finger or placing blame on men

01:40:26.820 for the ways in which, whether it's men or women, find themselves to be disadvantaged

01:40:32.600 historically or even today.

01:40:35.100 So who set the system up?

01:40:36.980 Men.

01:40:37.580 People in power.

01:40:38.420 Men.

01:40:38.900 People in power.

01:40:39.340 Men in power.

01:40:40.960 People in power.

01:40:41.920 I mean, they just happen to be men, though.

01:40:43.760 Like, logically, if we think about it, if it was the other way around, what would really

01:40:48.680 make it different?

01:40:50.720 I feel like it's human nature to fall into those same patterns.

01:40:53.840 I mean, look, I'll just say, do you guys believe in inherited guilt?

01:40:57.200 No.

01:40:57.980 Yes.

01:40:59.080 You believe in inherited guilt?

01:41:00.820 So if we're talking about...

01:41:03.020 Maybe somewhat.

01:41:03.760 There should...

01:41:04.420 Right.

01:41:04.640 So if we're talking about certain structures and systems that were in place, like, for

01:41:08.440 example, to give an example, slavery, right, people make the argument, oh, well, we were

01:41:15.660 not the slave owners, therefore, everything is good now.

01:41:19.040 But no, because that was a systematic system that was systematically in place, a lot of those

01:41:24.940 people continue to have effects and negative consequences from that system, like economically,

01:41:32.580 educationally, et cetera, et cetera.

01:41:34.620 So that is what I do believe in.

01:41:37.300 Who inherits the guilt?

01:41:39.380 I think there's two aspects at play here, right?

01:41:43.660 So the victims, they have, they are extremely disadvantaged, right?

01:41:50.920 They're disadvantaged economically.

01:41:52.400 They're disadvantaged financially, sorry, economically, educationally.

01:41:56.900 And they also carry a lot of the mental burden that comes with that, right?

01:42:03.040 So do you believe in epigenetics?

01:42:05.880 You're talking like generational trauma?

01:42:07.820 Yes.

01:42:08.760 Well, you're, you're kind of moving off the topic here.

01:42:12.100 I'm asking about inherited guilt.

01:42:13.700 So, so, okay.

01:42:14.580 Okay.

01:42:15.020 So, so what I'm saying is about the victims, they carry that with them.

01:42:19.740 Okay.

01:42:20.220 So then when it comes to the people who were the oppressors, I do believe that there should

01:42:26.400 be some effort to make reparations there because now those are a class of people that have a

01:42:34.000 lot more than their victims.

01:42:35.820 I do believe that there should be a way for them to mend things over and try to make it

01:42:41.080 right.

01:42:41.320 When I reference inherited guilt, I'm talking about as it relates to the conversation we're

01:42:46.520 having here, as it relates to men.

01:42:49.580 Okay.

01:42:50.140 So do you think because men, there was a patriarchy, there is a patriarchy because men set the system

01:42:56.500 up, that's your position, that's your position, do you think men today who we would agree have

01:43:02.320 had nothing to do with the setting up of these decades, centuries, millennia, year old systems,

01:43:13.060 do you think men today, an 18 year old boy who lives in Kentucky, do you think he has inherited

01:43:18.820 guilt on behalf of other men?

01:43:20.780 I think he reaps from the benefits of those systems, right?

01:43:25.820 Does he have inherited guilt?

01:43:28.220 I think he reaps the benefits and if his sister-

01:43:32.400 Yes or no, does he have inherited guilt?

01:43:35.400 It depends on the person.

01:43:38.440 Let's, let's, his great granddad was, great, great, great granddad did have some political

01:43:47.460 power.

01:43:47.880 He was a senator back in the, uh, 1800s and so that senator had, you know, whatever, had

01:43:55.920 political power back then.

01:43:57.500 Has he inherited guilt?

01:44:01.120 I mean, I cannot objectively give you a statement for that.

01:44:04.760 I can.

01:44:05.500 Okay.

01:44:06.740 Um, well, objectively, yeah, but if we're, none of this is objective, we're talking subjectively

01:44:12.500 here most of the time, but I would say that to a degree, as a man, in regards to sexism,

01:44:21.240 misogyny, whatever you want to call it, the umbrella, you do have some inherited guilt.

01:44:28.000 You should be chivalrous.

01:44:29.220 You should be respectful.

01:44:30.340 You should be a decent human fucking being, honestly.

01:44:32.460 But, um, I don't think that you should be dishing out thousands of dollars.

01:44:39.160 Like, there's this weird expectation that people have for men to go out of their way.

01:44:45.160 And there are ways to just be what women want that don't include going out of your way.

01:44:51.720 Just in everyday life.

01:44:52.660 You can be casual about it, lol.

01:44:53.880 But, I mean, in terms of, like, so, okay, do men collectively have, well, not to you,

01:45:07.320 but to you both, do, I, well, yeah, to you both, I guess, do men have inherited guilt collectively?

01:45:17.380 Inherited guilt.

01:45:18.980 So they feel guilty that, they feel guilty.

01:45:21.340 No, it's not that, it's not that they necessarily feel guilty, but you think they're guilty.

01:45:28.040 I think they're guilty because they, grandfather was a senator that made them do that.

01:45:33.380 Or just, all men set up the system, yo.

01:45:39.880 Do I think they're guilty?

01:45:42.440 Yes.

01:45:43.980 Do men, do men, is it original sin?

01:45:47.700 Are men guilty?

01:45:49.060 Not the original sin.

01:45:49.860 Are men guilty, simply by virtue of their gender, of something?

01:45:55.840 Of setting that system up.

01:45:57.780 I mean, that seems to be your position.

01:45:59.280 Is it your position?

01:46:02.700 Yeah.

01:46:03.780 Okay, so I'm guilty of the patriarchy?

01:46:07.820 Because you guys made it.

01:46:09.600 That's nothing to do with me.

01:46:10.720 Y'all figured that out.

01:46:11.900 Y'all did that to each other.

01:46:13.260 So if you feel oppressed because of the draft, because men did that.

01:46:17.400 What the fuck?

01:46:18.860 Okay.

01:46:22.080 But do you think, like, you can look to men as a group, can you look to men as a group and lay blame at their feet for...

01:46:34.040 For creating the system.

01:46:35.700 Yes.

01:46:36.200 They created the system, yeah.

01:46:37.780 Well, especially, like, so this would obviously entail an inclusion of, like, newborn babies.

01:46:42.700 So immediately upon birth, you know, there's even guilt inherited to the one-year-old child who's a boy.

01:46:53.380 No, it's within the system.

01:46:56.640 What was that baby doing with the, like, are they going to get drafted?

01:46:59.800 No.

01:47:00.460 It's, like, once of age, and then the system, they get played into the system, and then they have to get played into the system.

01:47:07.900 You guys did it.

01:47:09.700 The men did it.

01:47:10.400 You said that.

01:47:11.240 You feel oppressed because of that, right?

01:47:13.620 But who oppressed you?

01:47:16.180 It was people who created the system.

01:47:18.320 I don't know if you're fully understanding the question.

01:47:20.000 I'll ask you, do you think men collectively, as a group, inherit guilt?

01:47:26.920 They reap the benefits of the patriarchy, yes.

01:47:29.920 Doesn't answer the question.

01:47:31.760 I'm saying they reap the benefits of the patriarchy, and because of that, because of that, right, there is more on them, right?

01:47:43.280 Like, there is a little bit more of the blame on these men, because they are reaping the benefits, and they're not doing anything to not continue to uphold the patriarchal system.

01:47:54.180 So if you are a man, and you're benefiting from that system, right, and you're just sitting there like, well, I mean, I guess the system was designed for my ancestors, but I'm just going to sit here and reap all the benefits and have, and just, you know, not do anything about it, then, yeah, I do think there should be a little bit of blame.

01:48:14.220 Because of the ways that your father or your mother have treaded against people, are you to blame?

01:48:26.780 So if my mother and my father were oppressing all of these people and—

01:48:32.600 They harmed somebody.

01:48:33.760 Okay, okay, I'm answering.

01:48:36.440 Are you to blame—

01:48:37.440 I know, I got the point.

01:48:38.800 Or are you to be held responsible?

01:48:41.000 I got it the first time you said it.

01:48:42.420 Just clarifying.

01:48:43.980 Um, now, again, what I was saying before you interrupted me.

01:48:50.040 I'm just trying to—okay, go ahead.

01:48:52.060 Okay, well, did you or did you not interrupt me?

01:48:54.760 Which you told me not to do to you.

01:48:56.720 Well, I mean, well, hold on.

01:48:57.280 As the host of the show, I do need to butt in a little bit just to direct the flow.

01:49:00.100 I know, but I was trying to say my point.

01:49:03.200 Okay, well, then go ahead, and then I'll ask the question again.

01:49:05.940 Also, with, like, the amount you have me talking, I almost feel like I'm the host, to be honest.

01:49:10.760 That is a personal choice.

01:49:13.500 It's not a personal choice.

01:49:14.920 Are the questions being directed at me?

01:49:18.320 Okay.

01:49:18.940 You were first in line and just never stopped.

01:49:21.060 Okay, then tell the host to stop directing questions at me, girl.

01:49:24.780 I think it's a conversation.

01:49:26.460 She's just not talking.

01:49:27.400 They're talking to each other.

01:49:28.660 Well, then, do you want to just—you want me to just ask the question and move it on?

01:49:32.840 No, no, no.

01:49:33.740 I'll answer.

01:49:34.460 I mean, I was just—I just felt a little bit interrupted.

01:49:36.880 Go ahead.

01:49:37.200 Kind of, like, hurt my feelings.

01:49:39.260 Okay, go ahead.

01:49:40.700 Sorry.

01:49:41.280 Go ahead.

01:49:41.500 Thanks.

01:49:44.540 Thank you for the apology.

01:49:45.900 It means a lot.

01:49:46.760 I mean, I'm just trying to do—just—I'm trying to keep it moving.

01:49:50.280 Go ahead.

01:49:50.640 Well, you're being, like—

01:49:51.740 This is, like, the craziest meta conversation.

01:49:53.960 She is sticking by her guns.

01:49:55.000 You have to—

01:49:55.400 This is, like, the craziest meta conversation.

01:49:56.520 I might as well have just hopped on VR chat.

01:49:58.520 Go ahead.

01:49:58.980 Just go ahead.

01:49:59.660 Just go ahead.

01:49:59.960 Boy, what?

01:50:01.500 No, just go ahead.

01:50:02.320 Okay, so basically what I would like to say is if my parents are oppressing people, right, and I wake up and I inherit that, I'm just sitting there like, oh, I have all the fruits of these oppressed people.

01:50:17.060 Sure.

01:50:17.260 And they're still being oppressed, and I'm not doing anything to change it.

01:50:21.400 Then, yeah, I would be at blame.

01:50:23.060 I would be to blame.

01:50:23.940 But if my parents—

01:50:25.360 Laves are no longer present.

01:50:27.280 Who is talking about slaves?

01:50:29.420 Look, ultimately—

01:50:30.620 Ultimately—

01:50:32.500 We're talking about my parents.

01:50:33.780 Yes.

01:50:34.440 But we were talking about on the instance if they—

01:50:36.740 Look, I never—

01:50:37.160 My parents do not own slaves, obviously.

01:50:39.500 Hold on, hold on.

01:50:40.100 Okay, so—

01:50:40.720 You guys are just all over the place now.

01:50:43.300 Um, I'm—I didn't—I was responding to your point.

01:50:48.020 Look, I think believing in inherited guilt is just morally bankrupt.

01:50:55.700 It's completely morally bankrupt.

01:50:56.880 That's not morally bankrupt.

01:50:58.180 It's completely morally bankrupt.

01:50:58.720 You benefit—you're benefiting from your—the fruits of your ancestors.

01:51:03.220 And so you are—

01:51:03.920 Hold on, hold on.

01:51:04.820 The son is not guilty for the crimes of the father.

01:51:08.500 This is a moral principle that you see like it's a principle in law.

01:51:13.360 I didn't say that.

01:51:13.580 I didn't say that.

01:51:14.540 They're guilty.

01:51:15.080 I'm saying if you're reaping the benefits but you're not doing anything about it, then you—

01:51:18.780 Then there is some guilt there.

01:51:20.460 But if you are reaping from the benefits of the patriarchy but you don't—

01:51:24.220 You're not morally guilty for the crimes of your ancestors.

01:51:28.800 Yes, I'm—that—you're trying to bring two things that are not related and make them related.

01:51:35.120 Inherited guilt, it's exactly what we're talking about.

01:51:36.800 No.

01:51:37.080 It relates to this idea that men set that system up.

01:51:40.560 No, no.

01:51:40.820 Yes, yes, yes.

01:51:41.940 No.

01:51:42.580 By definition.

01:51:43.820 Yes, Selena.

01:51:44.680 No.

01:51:46.160 No whatever.

01:51:49.540 No leader of whatever.

01:51:53.220 Okay.

01:51:53.580 I mean, look, ultimately, I think it's morally abhorrent to hold somebody—

01:51:58.580 But that's not what I'm saying.

01:51:59.920 Okay.

01:52:00.140 What I'm saying is if you're reaping the benefits and instead of being, like, acknowledging the wrong that your forefathers did, right?

01:52:12.400 Instead of acknowledging, like, damn, that was fucked up.

01:52:15.700 Okay?

01:52:16.000 And then trying to do something to remedy it or change it, then you are guilty.

01:52:22.600 Are you guilty because your ancestors did that?

01:52:26.160 No.

01:52:27.220 But you're guilty because you're doing nothing to change it.

01:52:30.380 You're just upholding the quo.

01:52:32.780 I'm not—

01:52:33.380 Thank you.

01:52:35.640 What I'm not saying is, oh, just because your grandparents are terrible people that you're a terrible person.

01:52:42.140 I'm not saying that.

01:52:43.220 So, you know what?

01:52:44.480 I can say that I disagree.

01:52:46.960 I disagree that inherited guilt should be a thing, right?

01:52:50.200 But what I am saying is if you're put into that position and you're not doing anything to remedy it, that is when it becomes a problem.

01:52:59.280 I mean, people—I think people have personal agency.

01:53:01.860 I don't think you're responsible for the crimes committed by your relatives, your—

01:53:06.900 Yeah, I never said that.

01:53:07.720 I said if you—

01:53:08.080 Well, you did.

01:53:08.620 That's why I can't understand why you can't just agree with him on that aspect and then elaborate your point and add on to that.

01:53:15.100 Why can't you agree where you agree and disagree where you disagree?

01:53:18.500 Did I not just do that?

01:53:20.920 No!

01:53:21.600 I—

01:53:22.160 No!

01:53:23.440 One second.

01:53:24.040 Girl—

01:53:24.640 Sorry for the delay.

01:53:27.540 George, sorry for the delay.

01:53:29.060 Women did a great duty during World War II in helping the war effort, but what are they doing now?

01:53:35.280 Are they doing essential infrastructure work now to keep modern society running?

01:53:39.700 Mm-hmm.

01:53:44.040 Yes.

01:53:45.880 Look, I think he's—

01:53:47.560 Yes.

01:53:47.820 He's alluding back to my question of in order for men to be able to vote, men do have a duty.

01:53:55.260 Women have no corresponding duty.

01:53:57.060 That would put women, at least within that paradigm, in that regard, as privileged.

01:54:03.480 Okay.

01:54:03.960 In order for a man to have a right, he has to do something extra.

01:54:07.440 Mm-hmm.

01:54:07.940 Women just—you just get that shit for free.

01:54:10.200 Okay, but did you not hear what my point was?

01:54:13.080 Now you're evading my points.

01:54:14.960 What was your point?

01:54:16.900 So—

01:54:17.540 For this.

01:54:18.480 What?

01:54:19.360 What was your point?

01:54:20.500 Sorry.

01:54:20.820 Okay, so what I said is if you are benefiting from something that harmed people, and then you wake up, and you have those benefits there, and you are not doing anything to change it, does that make you guilty?

01:54:36.260 Yes.

01:54:38.100 Are you talking about the draft, or—

01:54:40.420 No, I'm just talking about in general.

01:54:42.880 I get what she means.

01:54:43.800 She's talking socially.

01:54:44.920 Thank you.

01:54:45.380 If you're a man, and you know what your ancestors did, and you're actively being an asshole in your day-to-day life, then that's fucked up.

01:54:53.740 Thank you.

01:54:54.360 It's basically—

01:54:55.140 A message from the government of Canada.

01:54:57.080 Pasty George donated $200.04.

01:55:01.220 Chair one, what do you think about illegal immigrants who are U.S. being detained and then deported back to their own countries?

01:55:08.540 Also, chair eight is based.

01:55:11.080 This is actually a great question.

01:55:13.060 Thank you.

01:55:13.720 Now, what do I think about this?

01:55:18.220 I think it's wrong, and I think it's fucked up.

01:55:23.580 What do you think?

01:55:28.500 What do I think about—so, I mean, as it relates to illegal immigration, I don't think people should illegally come here.

01:55:37.900 Girl, you need to chill.

01:55:39.640 You need to chill.

01:55:41.620 Wait, who?

01:55:42.140 She's just, like, freaking out over everything.

01:55:46.060 Dude.

01:55:46.460 Yeah, I mean, I would say we have laws in this country as it relates to immigration.

01:55:53.420 There is a pathway to immigrate here legally.

01:55:57.220 If you're here illegally, it's within the purview of law enforcement and the United States government to expel people who are here illegally.

01:56:08.320 Much like if I went to Japan and I was like, Japan's fucking dope, I'm just going to stay here.

01:56:13.940 If I didn't go through the process that Japan has outlined to moving to Japan, they can deport me.

01:56:20.580 I don't see anything wrong with Japan doing that, and I don't see anything wrong with any nation doing that.

01:56:28.620 I don't see it wrong here in the United States.

01:56:30.940 Okay.

01:56:31.060 So, here's the problem with that, right?

01:56:33.840 Sure.

01:56:34.400 Tell me the problem.

01:56:35.560 People immigrated here.

01:56:38.640 A lot of people who they call, quote-unquote, illegals, which I don't believe in that.

01:56:42.920 Why would it be, quote-unquote, illegal?

01:56:44.980 No one is illegal on stolen land, first of all, right?

01:56:49.000 Oh, boy.

01:56:50.120 What do you mean, oh, boy?

01:56:50.820 She's doing the finger snapping, by the way.

01:56:52.540 Yeah, because it's common sense.

01:56:55.440 Well, stolen land, okay.

01:56:57.200 Right.

01:56:57.560 So, we came, and we stole it from the Native Americans.

01:57:02.080 Which tribe?

01:57:03.540 There were many tribes.

01:57:05.000 Who stole it from another tribe?

01:57:06.740 The Mayas.

01:57:07.300 There were the Mayas.

01:57:08.240 There were the Incas.

01:57:09.140 Have you heard of them?

01:57:10.660 That was in Mexico.

01:57:11.940 No, it was part of, it was also part of North America as well.

01:57:15.820 Apache.

01:57:16.680 Wait.

01:57:17.120 Apache.

01:57:17.840 The Incas were in North, like, in the United States.

01:57:22.380 I don't, I'm not a...

01:57:24.000 The Mayans had part of what is now, I think, Texas.

01:57:27.960 Well, there were the Mayans and the Aztecs, which was predominantly, I believe, in Mexico.

01:57:32.020 Yeah, but there was still part of Texas.

01:57:33.960 But anyways.

01:57:34.460 Sure.

01:57:34.900 Okay, that's beside the point.

01:57:36.440 There were many tribes here.

01:57:37.520 And the Mayans and Aztecs conquered all kinds of different tribes.

01:57:41.440 Oh, my goodness gracious.

01:57:42.760 Am I wrong?

01:57:43.520 Okay.

01:57:43.900 The human sacrifice?

01:57:45.240 So, oh, Lord.

01:57:46.180 You do realize land, most of these lands were conquered from one tribe to the next to the

01:57:53.180 next.

01:57:53.600 Do you think, like, Native Americans...

01:57:54.640 Oh, wait.

01:57:55.000 Hold on.

01:57:55.380 One question.

01:57:55.880 Do you think Native Americans were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man

01:58:00.300 in North America?

01:58:01.540 Yes, we were.

01:58:02.740 Oh, you're Native American?

01:58:04.440 Yes.

01:58:04.860 Oh, talk more.

01:58:06.500 Hold on.

01:58:07.680 The Chippewa, all these...

01:58:10.100 Hold on.

01:58:10.580 You think the Apache, all these tribes, you think they were a peaceable people before the

01:58:17.140 appearance of the white man in the United...

01:58:20.320 Or, well, I guess it wasn't the United States.

01:58:21.740 In the Americas?

01:58:22.840 Yes, we are.

01:58:22.860 Yep.

01:58:23.520 And they love nature.

01:58:25.200 They don't exploit land.

01:58:26.580 All right.

01:58:27.060 They're not capitalist core.

01:58:28.880 Weren't Blackfoot Indians cannibals?

01:58:30.160 I can't, like, if you can't even acknowledge that, like, the history of humanity, regardless

01:58:35.620 of your background, was, like, pretty brutal and, like...

01:58:40.200 Okay, and the white man's background wasn't brutal either?

01:58:43.200 I'm not...

01:58:43.480 Like, wasn't, like, the most bloody in the world imperialist?

01:58:47.220 I'm not making that claim, but...

01:58:48.080 Okay, so, so, I'm a little confused.

01:58:49.840 But this idea, this idea that, like, Native American tribes were living peaceably amongst

01:58:55.680 each other...

01:58:56.420 We were.

01:58:57.280 No, you weren't.

01:58:57.880 Yeah, they were.

01:58:58.460 No, I was...

01:58:59.260 There are sevens.

01:58:59.660 You can't tell me as an indigenous person.

01:59:01.920 Are you an expert in Native American history?

01:59:04.060 You're not either.

01:59:04.940 I'm literally an indigenous person, yes.

01:59:05.840 How would that make you an expert in Native American history?

01:59:08.340 How does that make you?

01:59:09.300 Is that any word to say?

01:59:10.380 Because I have looked into this a little bit.

01:59:12.340 So, you're an expert.

01:59:13.360 You, as a white man, are an expert in Native American history.

01:59:16.580 Could it be possible that a white person has more understanding of Native American history?

01:59:20.380 From books to books to books, or from mouth to mouth to mouth?

01:59:22.780 Exactly.

01:59:23.560 So, just to be clear, are you going to be perpetuating misinformation?

01:59:26.800 Is it actually your position that all Native American tribes in the Americas were a peaceable

01:59:32.480 people?

01:59:33.420 Is that your position?

01:59:34.100 We are.

01:59:34.780 We were living our beautiful lives.

01:59:37.240 The fuck...

01:59:37.580 And then y'all came over here.

01:59:38.840 It's our shit.

01:59:40.120 Be intellectually honest.

01:59:42.520 This is my history.

01:59:44.340 There is documented...

01:59:44.520 This is my history.

01:59:45.760 We are still here.

01:59:46.940 We are still being peaceful people.

01:59:47.860 You do realize...

01:59:48.480 We're still here.

01:59:49.380 You know that, right?

01:59:50.000 We're still here.

01:59:50.920 We're still being peaceful people.

01:59:52.140 I can have a conversation with somebody who's willing to engage logically.

01:59:56.300 But if you're just not willing to, at least...

01:59:58.380 You do realize that there are Native American tribes who document...

02:00:02.460 Not white people.

02:00:03.460 Native American tribes who documented either their barbarism or the barbarism of other tribes.

02:00:10.320 What about the barbarism of the white man?

02:00:12.520 Yeah.

02:00:12.900 Definitely happens.

02:00:13.740 So what I'm saying...

02:00:14.740 Definitely happened.

02:00:15.340 What I'm saying...

02:00:16.080 Hold on.

02:00:16.480 But first, I need to address this misinformation here.

02:00:19.220 You're going to...

02:00:19.900 In order to be intellectually honest in this conversation, you are going to have to acknowledge...

02:00:24.160 We're still peaceful people.

02:00:26.000 We're still here.

02:00:27.860 Wait.

02:00:28.100 I'm talking historically.

02:00:29.520 I'm talking historically.

02:00:30.300 Historically, the villages we're making...

02:00:32.560 Growing our corn.

02:00:33.700 Growing our fields.

02:00:34.460 Talking to the gods.

02:00:34.740 You don't think there was rampant...

02:00:35.860 There was rampant amounts of...

02:00:37.580 Of course there's conflict.

02:00:39.280 Inter...

02:00:39.320 Inter...

02:00:39.760 Inter...

02:00:39.840 Inter...

02:00:39.960 There was massive amounts of conflicts between the different tribes.

02:00:43.740 Of different tribes, yes.

02:00:47.360 Within our own tribes, there's leadership.

02:00:49.700 Okay.

02:00:49.980 Nice goal.

02:00:50.420 Nice goal post-shift.

02:00:51.780 Okay.

02:00:52.760 Okay.

02:00:53.340 I'm ready.

02:00:53.640 So...

02:00:54.640 What I'm going to say...

02:00:56.640 In this point here, right?

02:00:58.560 So...

02:00:58.960 It is stolen land.

02:01:01.100 From who?

02:01:01.720 Conquered.

02:01:02.280 The Native Americans.

02:01:07.520 Settler colonialism.

02:01:08.580 Is it not settler colonialism?

02:01:10.260 Which tribe?

02:01:11.980 Apache.

02:01:14.440 Where?

02:01:15.080 Which part?

02:01:15.680 Which part of the U.S.?

02:01:16.560 Okay.

02:01:16.600 Can I...

02:01:17.020 And who did...

02:01:17.560 And who did...

02:01:18.020 Yeah, but which...

02:01:19.200 Which tribe did the Apache take their land from?

02:01:21.720 Okay.

02:01:21.980 So can I start?

02:01:23.600 Look...

02:01:23.820 Can I continue my argument here?

02:01:25.000 I think...

02:01:25.440 One thing...

02:01:25.540 I don't think you say which tribe doesn't mean...

02:01:27.800 It means a lot, actually.

02:01:29.200 It means a lot.

02:01:29.780 No, it doesn't.

02:01:30.240 Because it points to the fact for much of human history, conquest was the rule.

02:01:34.920 Okay, sure.

02:01:35.440 I think we shouldn't be going to war.

02:01:37.880 We shouldn't have conquest.

02:01:39.180 But historically, that was the case.

02:01:40.440 Okay, sure.

02:01:41.220 So can I continue now?

02:01:42.500 And by the way, look, you might not like it, but historically, the precedent is set.

02:01:47.720 Conquest was a valid means of, yes, getting land.

02:01:52.260 Okay, so can I continue?

02:01:54.160 What I'm trying to say is there is a difference between conquest and being violent and point-blank barbaric, right?

02:02:07.140 So when you're coming into a land and you're killing all the people that were there so you can settle there and create what is the United States of America, that is barbaric.

02:02:17.840 How did we get to this topic?

02:02:20.040 We're on stolen land.

02:02:21.240 Yeah, I'm not even done here.

02:02:23.680 No, but how did we get on to the stolen land?

02:02:25.840 It doesn't matter how we got on here.

02:02:27.460 I'm trying to make a point.

02:02:28.340 Oh, because we're talking about immigration.

02:02:30.360 Yes.

02:02:30.820 So, right, so I'm saying no one is illegal on stolen land.

02:02:33.740 Okay.

02:02:33.920 So say there's been some, okay, but that's one facet of it, right?

02:02:39.400 But I'm going to come to more present day.

02:02:43.260 Okay.

02:02:43.500 Say someone, because of the violence of the United States and a lot of Western violence that's been placed on, if we're going to talk about Mexico, we'll talk about Mexico, okay?

02:02:56.000 And what capitalism has done to their economy and the extraction and whatever.

02:02:59.840 However, someone decides, you know what, I'm going to hop the border and I'm going to come to America.

02:03:06.160 America, they come here, they're paying taxes, they're doing all that, they're just like illegals, okay?

02:03:13.720 They've been here for 20 years, they had kids here.

02:03:17.420 Suddenly, bam, one day they're at work, they're hardworking, and some random wearing a mask and glasses doesn't want to be identified, comes, steals them, and deports them back to Mexico.

02:03:31.340 And maybe their parents came here when they were super young and had them when they were like two in Mexico and now they're here.

02:03:39.100 They've never even grew up in Mexico.

02:03:41.300 Why do you do this, though?

02:03:43.220 Because I told you no one's illegal on stolen land.

02:03:46.400 So no crimes, I'm a bit confused, there's no, so if I just want to barge into your house, are you just going to let me kick it on your couch?

02:03:55.240 That's, that's different.

02:03:56.060 You stole the land.

02:03:57.140 No, no, no, queen.

02:03:59.380 That's not even the case.

02:04:01.000 So you don't believe in borders?

02:04:03.560 Honestly?

02:04:04.640 Borders are man-made.

02:04:05.940 Yep.

02:04:06.920 Wait, hold on, if borders are man-made, then what land was stolen?

02:04:10.400 The land of the Tonga people, Los Angeles.

02:04:13.380 But hold on, there's, there's, is it stolen land?

02:04:18.360 Or is it not?

02:04:18.740 Okay, so.

02:04:19.320 If there's no borders, what are the borders?

02:04:21.900 Because you put it up.

02:04:22.820 I'm a, it borders are man-made and you stole it.

02:04:25.820 Wait, but hold on.

02:04:26.580 Okay, can I explain it?

02:04:27.760 I can explain it to you.

02:04:28.780 How can we steal something that doesn't exist?

02:04:30.880 How can you make a border?

02:04:32.320 You're saying, what are the Native American borders of their land?

02:04:36.260 But hold on, there are no borders.

02:04:38.420 Your argument defeats itself.

02:04:40.900 Native land, there's not an actual border.

02:04:43.680 You can't be illegal.

02:04:44.760 There isn't.

02:04:45.680 Hold on.

02:04:46.080 The Tonga people, the, the, there wasn't no exact border.

02:04:51.680 So.

02:04:52.360 Okay, so at the time, it's free land.

02:04:54.540 Okay, this river, this river, from this river to this, uh, that's.

02:04:58.380 They didn't have borders.

02:04:59.300 Borders are man-made.

02:05:00.420 By the way, it is, it is actually a crime.

02:05:02.480 It's called improper entry.

02:05:04.000 It's 8 U.S.C. 1325.

02:05:05.860 It's a crime.

02:05:06.680 Yeah, I know.

02:05:07.660 But again, no one is stolen on illegal land.

02:05:10.520 But what if they were here for so long?

02:05:13.120 All of the, the Mexicans that were here in Los Angeles that were taken, who were born

02:05:19.000 here, and taken during the bracero program.

02:05:22.540 The, the what?

02:05:23.340 The bracero program is when they told us to come over here and work, and then they fucking

02:05:28.140 took us, and then they took even people who already were here, who were born here forever.

02:05:32.560 I mean, if you're born here.

02:05:33.520 Even the other day, a Native American was taken by ICE.

02:05:36.120 Where the fuck are you going to take her?

02:05:37.820 Yeah, sometimes people.

02:05:38.280 This is her land.

02:05:38.980 Yeah, sometimes I guess people can be improperly detained or whatever.

02:05:42.680 If you're a citizen of the United States, you're not getting deported.

02:05:46.740 They have.

02:05:48.020 You can maybe point to an, like, I don't know, I would need a fact check on this.

02:05:52.620 If you're a United States citizen, you're not being deported.

02:05:55.660 And if you did, you're improperly deported.

02:05:58.460 Yes, exactly.

02:05:58.880 And you would be allowed to gain reason.

02:06:00.280 I'm sure it happens every once in a while.

02:06:01.880 Once in a while.

02:06:02.420 It's not supposed to.

02:06:04.220 Especially nowadays.

02:06:05.040 In any case, though.

02:06:05.920 Like, just even having brown skin is to get taken and kidnapped.

02:06:11.860 That's ridiculous.

02:06:12.840 That's completely ridiculous.

02:06:13.640 It's happening.

02:06:13.660 A Native American literally got taken by ICE.

02:06:16.520 I mean, I have seen it, but that's not like her.

02:06:18.260 Stop talking over each other.

02:06:19.180 Stop it.

02:06:19.900 Stop.

02:06:20.140 So, even if these errors, law enforcement errors do happen, and they are wrong, I'm going to grant it, what of the 99% of the time where they are actually deporting somebody who did enter the country illegally and who are not American citizens?

02:06:38.480 And do you believe in due process?

02:06:40.500 Do I believe in due process?

02:06:42.140 Yeah, sure.

02:06:42.740 And they're not getting that.

02:06:44.520 Are they afforded due process?

02:06:46.200 No, you're not a citizen.

02:06:46.700 Are they afforded due process as a race?

02:06:48.720 Even me, as an American, I don't get due process, and they take me.

02:06:53.020 But they are going to add me.

02:06:53.600 Have you been taken?

02:06:54.740 Do you have an anecdotal experience where you were...

02:06:56.780 There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many stories of these people.

02:07:00.880 Okay, then that's wrong.

02:07:01.980 Great.

02:07:02.580 Should demonstrably, people who are here demonstrably illegally be deported, yes or no?

02:07:08.880 Have they been deported?

02:07:10.220 We can agree that it's wrong that American citizens are incorrectly detained or even incorrectly deported.

02:07:17.160 100% wrong.

02:07:18.120 Shouldn't happen.

02:07:19.660 Maybe they should even be compensated.

02:07:21.540 Cool.

02:07:21.840 We can agree on that.

02:07:22.840 Should people who are clearly here illegally, should they be deported?

02:07:25.260 Do they have due process?

02:07:27.580 Should they have due process?

02:07:29.220 I'm not familiar on what extent you...

02:07:31.880 Should they have representation in court?

02:07:34.860 I think if you...

02:07:36.620 If they have work permits and they still get deported, yes.

02:07:40.180 You're not supposed to be able to work here.

02:07:41.700 All of that happened illegally.

02:07:42.320 Yes, you can, yes.

02:07:43.820 You're not supposed to.

02:07:44.180 You have a visa.

02:07:44.840 It's a work visa.

02:07:45.700 Everyone does it.

02:07:46.300 They go to Europe.

02:07:47.040 They go...

02:07:47.320 You can have a work visa.

02:07:47.840 You are all over the place with your argumentation.

02:07:48.820 You can have a work visa.

02:07:50.900 Yeah, but do you think...

02:07:52.620 Oh, my God.

02:07:53.420 What percentage of the people being deported have a valid work visa?

02:08:00.040 Most of the time, they have expired in their process of doing it.

02:08:04.400 I can argue with Selina a little bit.

02:08:06.540 I can't argue with her.

02:08:06.780 They're here illegally.

02:08:08.080 Here's the law.

02:08:09.100 They're here illegally because they have not...

02:08:12.420 They don't have a valid...

02:08:13.740 Shut the fuck up!

02:08:14.340 Oh, we...

02:08:14.840 And do you believe the way that is happening?

02:08:17.020 Is it okay?

02:08:17.760 $500 so you can shut the full cup.

02:08:21.100 Shut chair one up for 10 minutes.

02:08:22.840 The full confidence and vocal fire is actually making me want to turn off the strings.

02:08:28.980 All right.

02:08:29.480 Here.

02:08:29.680 Let me let a few chats through.

02:08:30.740 Then we can revisit.

02:08:31.700 Okay.

02:08:31.960 They wanted to mute your mic for 10 minutes.

02:08:35.240 Keep an eye on that.

02:08:36.420 Thank you for that.

02:08:37.160 Ogle.

02:08:37.640 Appreciate it.

02:08:38.440 Thank you for your...

02:08:41.560 Sort of...

02:08:42.020 That thing.

02:08:43.580 Also tiresome.

02:08:44.460 Chair one is colossally...

02:08:46.920 Put her in a timeout.

02:08:48.900 Always the most...

02:08:49.660 Hey, guys.

02:08:50.140 Be nice.

02:08:50.580 Come on.

02:08:50.820 What the fuck?

02:08:51.100 It's not nice.

02:08:51.660 Dunning-Kruger in Intelligence and Looks.

02:08:56.040 Never will these women understand the sacrifice men have made for their rights.

02:09:00.000 What the statement?

02:09:01.380 Yeah.

02:09:01.700 Freedom isn't free.

02:09:03.360 Well put.

02:09:04.100 Also tiresome.

02:09:04.760 Thank you for your message, man.

02:09:05.700 Really appreciate it.

02:09:06.240 Thank you.

02:09:06.540 Teddy Westside.

02:09:07.180 Hey-ya.

02:09:07.760 I'm donating $200.

02:09:10.240 Tie-dye girl.

02:09:11.520 I need you.

02:09:12.300 Step up the savagery.

02:09:13.480 Is that not...

02:09:14.000 Chair four, please quit while you're ahead.

02:09:16.240 Nope.

02:09:16.400 Chair one, me and the chat agree.

02:09:18.660 You need to shut up.

02:09:19.880 Brian, please have Nick on one of your episodes.

02:09:24.880 Nick?

02:09:25.600 My producer?

02:09:26.760 Okay.

02:09:27.760 Maybe.

02:09:28.400 We'll do that.

02:09:29.440 Thank you.

02:09:30.660 Yo, Teddy Westside.

02:09:33.220 Legendary.

02:09:33.940 I fucked it up.

02:09:34.820 Okay.

02:09:35.040 Thank you, man.

02:09:35.400 Have you donated $200?

02:09:37.000 Why isn't it doing the thing?

02:09:37.820 Chair one, I have this really fun game that I think you should play.

02:09:40.680 You wasted your money for that.

02:09:41.740 It's called The Quiet Game.

02:09:44.140 You have to be quiet for 30 minutes.

02:09:46.320 Otherwise, you have to give Brickson $20.

02:09:49.200 What a waste.

02:09:49.660 Well, Ogle did do the microphone mute, so...

02:09:52.920 What a waste of $200.

02:09:54.980 Ogle is coreamerica.fund donated $200.

02:09:59.340 I don't want to add homonym, but chair one's vocal fry is annoying AF.

02:10:03.420 I loved listening to you talk.

02:10:07.680 I'm starting to feel bad, actually.

02:10:09.720 I don't feel bad.

02:10:11.140 This is like all my TikTok comments.

02:10:13.180 Don't worry, I'm used to it.

02:10:14.200 Okay.

02:10:15.160 Ogle underscore america.fund donated $200.

02:10:18.640 Oh, boy.

02:10:19.240 Oh, no.

02:10:19.580 Anyone saying Native Americans were living in peace is willfully braindead as a defense mechanism.

02:10:25.020 By the way, just to be clear, it's not an attack on Native Americans.

02:10:33.100 It's just an acknowledgment of objective truth.

02:10:37.180 A lot of these tribes, they were warring with each other, and I think that that should...

02:10:44.660 So then everyone should war with us?

02:10:46.540 No, that's not what I'm arguing, but I think it is worth pointing out

02:10:53.420 that if we're talking about stolen land, like the most recent tribe that you would argue possessed that land,

02:11:01.840 did they steal it from somebody else?

02:11:04.360 And so it gets very complicated as to historical land ownership.

02:11:08.940 Well, who then do we return stolen land to?

02:11:12.280 Because even today, you have different Native American tribes who they argue with each other,

02:11:19.460 no, the Black Hills are mine.

02:11:21.040 No, this is the Chippewa, this is the Apache, this is the Chumash.

02:11:27.060 They contest who owns or who historically owned these lands.

02:11:35.460 Well, you can historically contest that we own them first.

02:11:38.840 They were ours, and we take care of them.

02:11:40.380 That's honestly, as a Native American, indigenous person, all we were here to do is take care of the land.

02:11:45.860 We were here to take care of the land, make sure the land grows, make sure Mother Earth is one with herself.

02:11:51.680 Shut the fuck up!

02:11:53.620 Oh, he doubled it.

02:11:54.420 Pasty George donated $500 so you can shut the food cup.

02:11:58.960 Another shut the fuck up for an additional 10 minutes for chair one.

02:12:02.480 Oh, boy.

02:12:02.740 You are now being oppressed.

02:12:03.880 He's oppressing.

02:12:05.040 Oh, man.

02:12:05.560 This is what we were talking about.

02:12:08.000 Pasty George, you are awesome.

02:12:09.460 Thank you for being here.

02:12:10.380 Dude, stop it.

02:12:11.380 Pasty George got money.

02:12:12.460 Thank you, Pasty George.

02:12:13.240 Appreciate it.

02:12:14.120 You got money.

02:12:14.760 Oh, wait.

02:12:16.040 Hold on.

02:12:17.200 Here.

02:12:17.840 I'm going to pause that for a moment.

02:12:19.500 We have a super chat here that I'm going to read.

02:12:22.540 Hey, I got to wait.

02:12:23.960 She's away from the table.

02:12:25.180 I apologize, guys.

02:12:25.880 Here.

02:12:26.920 Here.

02:12:27.380 Why don't we finish relationship status, then I'll let the rest come in.

02:12:30.620 Yes.

02:12:30.720 Oh, yay.

02:12:31.340 Finally.

02:12:32.660 Oh, my God.

02:12:33.320 I forgot.

02:12:33.920 That was crazy.

02:12:34.560 Relationship status.

02:12:35.180 Right.

02:12:35.640 Literally.

02:12:36.220 Complicated.

02:12:36.820 Complicated.

02:12:38.320 Okay.

02:12:39.060 Complicated.

02:12:39.520 I can elaborate.

02:12:40.920 Yeah.

02:12:41.400 Go ahead.

02:12:42.440 So, I am currently in a relationship.

02:12:44.760 I, it's not public because he did cheat on me.

02:12:48.860 Oh.

02:12:50.720 But we are since, uh, working it out.

02:12:53.760 Uh-oh.

02:12:54.180 Okay.

02:12:54.460 Did you cheat on him?

02:12:55.380 No.

02:12:55.840 Okay.

02:12:56.220 How long has it, have you been seeing this guy?

02:12:58.440 Uh, we've been together.

02:12:59.420 We just celebrated our two-year anniversary on November 11th.

02:13:03.340 Two-year.

02:13:04.440 Okay.

02:13:05.060 Longest relationship?

02:13:06.140 Yes.

02:13:06.600 Okay.

02:13:07.200 Uh, what about you?

02:13:08.020 Relationship status?

02:13:09.240 Single.

02:13:10.280 Uh, hold on one sec.

02:13:12.140 Okay.

02:13:12.480 How long have you been single for?

02:13:15.580 Um, I guess since, like, the beginning of my senior year of high school.

02:13:19.800 So.

02:13:20.000 Two years?

02:13:20.620 Two years-ish.

02:13:21.200 Okay.

02:13:21.540 Longest relationship?

02:13:23.040 Uh, about a year and a half on and off, I want to say.

02:13:27.880 Okay.

02:13:28.360 It was six months on and off?

02:13:30.360 No, like a year and a half.

02:13:31.260 Oh, sorry.

02:13:31.660 Sorry.

02:13:31.940 I missed the year part.

02:13:34.620 Okay.

02:13:34.960 One and a half.

02:13:36.680 All right.

02:13:38.240 Okay.

02:13:38.680 Who broke up with who?

02:13:40.560 Um, it was complicated.

02:13:42.600 He was going to college and it was just, like, kind of mutual that we didn't want to continue

02:13:47.720 it.

02:13:48.640 All right.

02:13:49.260 What about you?

02:13:49.980 Single.

02:13:50.660 How long have you been single?

02:13:52.320 For some time.

02:13:53.140 I don't, I don't claim these people's, I have, like, situationships.

02:13:57.840 Situationships.

02:13:58.320 Okay.

02:13:58.680 Um, longest relationship?

02:14:01.620 I don't claim them.

02:14:04.760 I don't claim them.

02:14:06.180 Oh, my.

02:14:07.480 Um, okay.

02:14:09.360 Uh, what's the longest time you don't claim somebody?

02:14:16.740 I'm not claiming them.

02:14:17.700 I'm not claiming them.

02:14:18.500 I'm not claiming them.

02:14:19.100 Well, okay.

02:14:19.600 I get you're not claiming them, but, like, the person that you don't claim, what was the

02:14:25.460 period of time you don't claim?

02:14:29.420 Being with them.

02:14:30.640 Yeah.

02:14:31.620 Like, five months.

02:14:32.800 That's your, okay, so that's the longest anything you've had is five months.

02:14:37.580 Okay.

02:14:38.300 Um, do you currently have a roster?

02:14:41.560 I do.

02:14:42.820 Okay.

02:14:43.180 Uh, and, uh, how big is the roster?

02:14:50.060 Five.

02:14:51.000 Five guys?

02:14:52.020 Oh, no, no, no.

02:14:52.500 Like the restaurant?

02:14:53.060 Some of them fell off, you know?

02:14:54.620 Wait, so the roster is how big?

02:14:56.820 It's on and off.

02:14:57.700 It's on and off.

02:14:58.320 Well, what's the biggest it's ever been in your entire life?

02:15:01.320 Like five.

02:15:01.940 Five.

02:15:02.360 Okay.

02:15:03.160 Um, and they're, they're all guys, right?

02:15:06.440 Yeah.

02:15:06.640 Like, okay.

02:15:07.740 Um, and you're like kind of just having fun with all of them or?

02:15:11.340 I'm just seeing who treats me, who treats me right, who treats me better.

02:15:15.900 Um, and how, um, what's the long, of these, like, five or so guys, what's the longest that

02:15:22.280 you've been seeing any one of them?

02:15:26.320 Like.

02:15:26.720 A couple months, a year?

02:15:27.860 No, like, two years.

02:15:30.720 Two years.

02:15:30.880 That's, like, the longest one, yeah, for, like, the situationships.

02:15:33.960 Situationships.

02:15:34.340 Yeah, like, he's on and off, on and off.

02:15:35.980 Like, we don't live in the same city.

02:15:37.880 Has it ever been boyfriend, girlfriend?

02:15:39.600 No, situationships.

02:15:40.960 Okay, and, um, have you ever said, I love you, to him?

02:15:46.980 I mean, I say it all the time.

02:15:48.640 I say it to everyone, though.

02:15:49.980 No, like, I love you in that way.

02:15:53.660 I think so.

02:15:54.500 I mean, I say it, like, all the time.

02:15:55.320 Does he say it to you?

02:15:56.360 We're always like, oh, I love you.

02:16:02.580 So, wait, you don't, like, do you not mean it in that way?

02:16:05.760 Yeah.

02:16:06.280 You know, like, how you might say, you say it to, like, a girlfriend.

02:16:09.320 Yeah, I say it like that.

02:16:10.480 One of your female friends, I mean, by that.

02:16:12.860 We just keep it.

02:16:14.240 Okay.

02:16:14.980 And, but, uh, is he seeing other girls?

02:16:19.500 I think so.

02:16:20.040 I think I'm seeing other people.

02:16:20.920 He's seeing other people.

02:16:21.820 Okay.

02:16:22.200 So, you're hooking up with him?

02:16:23.680 Mm-hmm.

02:16:24.400 And you said there's a few other guys in the picture.

02:16:26.480 Are you also hooking up with them, too?

02:16:29.300 Here and there.

02:16:30.580 Here and there.

02:16:31.340 Okay.

02:16:32.620 We don't all live in the same city, so.

02:16:34.960 Okay.

02:16:35.520 All right.

02:16:35.960 All right.

02:16:36.040 Um, going back to you, you've been single for two years.

02:16:43.300 Uh, do you have a roster?

02:16:46.420 Yeah.

02:16:47.180 How big is the roster?

02:16:48.860 I don't want to disclose that information.

02:16:51.600 Oh, come on.

02:16:52.180 It's a, it's a fun little convo.

02:16:53.880 Well, this is, like, to so many people.

02:16:54.980 I'm not trying to, like.

02:16:55.280 There's nobody watching.

02:16:56.220 All the people, the guys on the roster.

02:16:59.100 Nobody watches this shit.

02:17:00.920 I'm fucking a has-been.

02:17:02.380 I'm a fucking has-been.

02:17:04.460 You know, fucking over-the-hill YouTuber.

02:17:07.000 Fuck.

02:17:07.280 Nah, nobody watches this shit.

02:17:09.060 It's a few people.

02:17:10.940 Three, four, five, six, seven?

02:17:12.540 Six, seven.

02:17:13.040 Six, six, seven.

02:17:14.280 No.

02:17:14.920 I'm kidding.

02:17:15.260 I'm kidding.

02:17:15.860 I don't know.

02:17:16.200 I don't want to give an exact number.

02:17:17.560 I don't think it really matters too much.

02:17:18.740 Ballpark.

02:17:19.500 Well, okay.

02:17:20.220 There's, like, what?

02:17:21.120 Eight billion people in the world.

02:17:22.540 Like, so what if I was?

02:17:23.600 Half of us?

02:17:23.620 That's what we're going off of?

02:17:25.080 A few guys.

02:17:25.720 Can I just have you scoot your mic that way, like, two inches?

02:17:28.900 Got you.

02:17:29.880 Okay, so at its biggest, how about that?

02:17:34.300 Right now, whatever.

02:17:35.400 But at its biggest, how big was the roster ever?

02:17:37.720 At one time?

02:17:38.500 Yeah.

02:17:41.080 I don't know.

02:17:41.720 Maybe, like, four.

02:17:43.080 Four?

02:17:43.460 Okay.

02:17:43.860 Can we take a few?

02:17:44.640 Three?

02:17:44.800 And that was during college or whatever?

02:17:47.460 I don't know.

02:17:48.040 Yeah.

02:17:48.640 Yeah.

02:17:48.960 Like, or was it in high school?

02:17:50.980 Not in high school.

02:17:51.680 In high school, I was in a relationship pretty much the whole time.

02:17:53.560 Right, right, right, right.

02:17:54.260 Okay.

02:17:54.800 I love two guys.

02:17:55.780 Okay, so you got a roster.

02:17:59.020 What's the, of one of the guys in the roster, what's the longest period of time you've been

02:18:03.620 seeing him?

02:18:04.820 Like, including, like, guys that I've dated?

02:18:08.480 Just, like, your current roster right now?

02:18:12.480 Like a year.

02:18:13.660 One year?

02:18:14.340 Mm-hmm.

02:18:14.480 Okay.

02:18:15.500 And at no point have you guys called each other boyfriend, girlfriend?

02:18:18.920 No.

02:18:20.020 How often do you see him?

02:18:21.900 I'm trying to fade.

02:18:23.440 Fade?

02:18:23.940 So, I'm trying to fade that.

02:18:24.720 What do you mean, fade?

02:18:25.480 Right away.

02:18:26.120 Like, I'm trying to, like, distance myself.

02:18:28.420 Like, curve.

02:18:28.780 He's, like, really, like, he's, like, really, like, into me, and I just, like, don't.

02:18:32.340 It's, there's a lot going on with that, so I need to not, it just, it would be mean if

02:18:36.060 I, like, gave him more attention.

02:18:37.820 When's the last time you saw him?

02:18:39.380 Last weekend.

02:18:40.620 Did you guys hook up?

02:18:41.700 Yeah.

02:18:42.820 Do you typically just, like, you know, you'll see each other on the weekend, just, like,

02:18:46.080 have a little fun time, just hook up kind of thing, or?

02:18:48.760 Um, it's definitely, like, more complicated than that.

02:18:51.380 I don't want to get a lot into that.

02:18:52.220 Has he said, I love you?

02:18:53.760 Yeah.

02:18:54.480 Have you said it to him?

02:18:55.660 No.

02:18:57.360 Yikes.

02:18:58.720 Hey, if you're watching this shit, it's not happening, man.

02:19:02.420 You got to move on.

02:19:03.360 You got to, and she, it sounds like, don't give up.

02:19:05.360 I have love in my heart for him.

02:19:06.800 Don't give up.

02:19:07.380 I just don't want to.

02:19:07.840 Yikes.

02:19:08.200 It's, he wants something that I don't want, so it's not, it's not going to work out.

02:19:14.320 Oh.

02:19:14.920 That is interesting.

02:19:15.980 Okay.

02:19:16.580 In a weak moment, though, I need to not turn to him.

02:19:20.520 Uh, okay.

02:19:21.620 And then, like, the other guys, are you kind of just having fun with them, too?

02:19:24.700 Well, UCSP has, like, a hard situation where, like, okay, basically all the women, I would

02:19:29.460 say, like, maybe, like, 90% of the women are, like, just drop-dead gorgeous 10 out of 10.

02:19:35.440 Um, and all the guys are just not really that way.

02:19:40.800 Um, and so the standard for women is really, really, really high.

02:19:44.020 And so, especially, I'm in a sorority, so that's also another thing, is that all these frats

02:19:50.140 throw parties, and there's maybe, like, 100 guys in a fraternity and maybe, like, 300 girls

02:19:55.400 in a sorority.

02:19:56.020 And so there'll be, like, 50 guys at a party and, like, 300 beautiful women.

02:19:59.140 And out of the 50 guys that are there, there's maybe, like, five of them that are really cute.

02:20:03.860 And then out of those five, there's, like, maybe, like, one of them that's a good person.

02:20:06.820 So every single guy is surrounded by, like, 100 girls.

02:20:09.400 It's really a struggle.

02:20:11.340 Um, and so I don't even know what my point was, but it's just, it's hard at UCSB.

02:20:16.820 So, like, really, the guys, like, even the mid ones get really, really cute girls.

02:20:21.700 Um, I could talk about this forever.

02:20:23.380 And it just, like, makes their ego get really high.

02:20:25.540 And then they can kind of, like, treat women horribly and still get play because there's

02:20:30.620 so few options for us beautiful women out there.

02:20:33.240 What does treating a woman, what does that, when you say treating a woman horribly, what

02:20:37.040 do you mean?

02:20:37.320 Just, like, they're players?

02:20:38.440 What do you mean?

02:20:38.860 Like, yeah, like, you'll have a really great moment with a guy.

02:20:41.760 And it'll feel, like, really intimate and awesome.

02:20:43.880 And then they'll, like, just never talk to you again.

02:20:46.880 Have you ever done that to a guy?

02:20:49.000 Um, no.

02:20:50.460 I don't ghost people.

02:20:51.380 I mean, do you think, well, not ghost, but, I mean, this guy who you've been, you said

02:20:58.740 you have a roster of a couple guys you're currently seeing.

02:21:00.920 And it seems like this guy, does he want to, he want exclusivity?

02:21:06.280 Yeah, I don't want to get into him.

02:21:07.640 That, well, you're about to say yes.

02:21:09.300 Well, it seems like what you're accusing these men of doing is precisely what you're

02:21:13.460 doing.

02:21:14.000 No, it's not.

02:21:14.940 Because I open, I, like, openly communicate with all the people that I've ever seen.

02:21:19.220 Um, and a lot of people do not openly communicate.

02:21:21.060 I feel like I'm very emotionally mature in that way.

02:21:24.180 And I can.

02:21:24.600 So, what do you tell the men, then?

02:21:26.540 What do you tell them?

02:21:28.040 Well, there's, it just depends on the situation.

02:21:31.140 What do you mean?

02:21:31.560 What do I tell them?

02:21:32.160 Well, you.

02:21:32.520 In what situation?

02:21:33.180 You tell them, you say you're very open, I assume, about the fact that you're not looking

02:21:38.940 for a relationship and you're dating and sleeping with multiple people.

02:21:42.180 Mm-hmm.

02:21:44.000 Is that what you tell them?

02:21:48.180 Yeah.

02:21:48.540 Okay.

02:21:53.060 But yet, it seems like there's one guy who has confessed his love for you, wants to be

02:21:58.460 monogamous, wants to be exclusive, wants to be boyfriend and girlfriend.

02:22:02.800 And I got a bit of a sense that it seems like maybe a little bit of stringing him along.

02:22:10.540 No, that's what I'm saying.

02:22:11.560 I'm not stringing him along.

02:22:12.680 That's why I'm not seeing him anymore.

02:22:13.700 I mean, how long has he wanted more?

02:22:20.260 I don't know.

02:22:21.180 Probably since we met.

02:22:22.700 Oh.

02:22:23.220 And you've been seeing him for a year, so you've been stringing him on for a year.

02:22:26.100 Well, I haven't seen him for a year.

02:22:27.340 It's been like small segments of time.

02:22:29.080 He's had like a girlfriend in between.

02:22:30.840 It's been like very like scarce.

02:22:31.740 Okay.

02:22:31.760 Well, it's complicated then, I guess.

02:22:33.940 Okay.

02:22:34.200 It's very complicated.

02:22:34.640 And would you say, like, kind of your experience, is that pretty, like, among the other women who go to UCSB, do you think it's pretty common?

02:22:44.560 Like, just kind of, you know, a bit of a roster, dating multiple people, is that a pretty common thing?

02:22:52.160 Well, yeah.

02:22:52.540 The culture at UCSB is very hookup culture.

02:22:54.920 There's people that are really not looking for relationships at all.

02:22:57.480 And I kind of thought that a little bit coming into college, but it really has been dramatic and a lot more than I would have expected, that it's just people just want to fuck and that's it.

02:23:10.140 And so, I don't know.

02:23:11.520 I'm like, honestly, I would not even say that I have a roster right now.

02:23:14.540 I'm protecting my peace from now on.

02:23:17.460 Okay.

02:23:18.000 All right.

02:23:19.160 And you said you had a roster of five.

02:23:21.400 And you're, are you?

02:23:22.240 Give and take.

02:23:22.520 Give and take.

02:23:22.900 But of the men who are on your roster, whether it's three, four, five, are you hooking up with all of them?

02:23:30.500 No, Noreen.

02:23:31.180 Like, we live in different cities.

02:23:32.640 But when you do see them?

02:23:33.580 Yeah, when I see them, yeah.

02:23:34.480 You hook up with them.

02:23:35.420 Okay.

02:23:36.020 Essie, what about you?

02:23:36.780 Your relationship status?

02:23:38.160 I'm in a relationship.

02:23:40.080 Okay.

02:23:40.680 All right.

02:23:42.160 How long have you been seeing that person?

02:23:46.660 We've been together, it'll be six months, end of this month.

02:23:50.700 Okay.

02:23:51.060 Okay.

02:23:52.940 Longest relationship?

02:23:54.800 A little over a year.

02:23:56.460 So I'd round down and say a year.

02:23:59.260 Okay.

02:24:00.260 All right.

02:24:00.840 What about you?

02:24:02.740 I, my most recent relationship was with my ex-husband when we were together about two years and three months.

02:24:10.020 Have you been married before?

02:24:11.460 I have.

02:24:12.660 Two times?

02:24:13.820 Twice.

02:24:14.580 Married two times.

02:24:15.360 Okay.

02:24:15.980 Let's start with the first one.

02:24:17.180 How long have you been married to your first husband?

02:24:21.060 Less than two years, around that time.

02:24:25.720 Do you have kids?

02:24:26.820 I do.

02:24:27.260 I have three kids.

02:24:28.060 Three kids from how many men?

02:24:30.400 They all have different fathers.

02:24:31.640 All three of them have different fathers.

02:24:33.160 Correct.

02:24:33.660 And you're single currently, correct?

02:24:35.060 I am.

02:24:35.900 Okay.

02:24:36.340 The struggle is real.

02:24:36.780 Your first husband, is he the father of the first child?

02:24:41.960 No.

02:24:42.380 My first, my oldest daughter was conceived from a four-month relationship.

02:24:50.340 And how old were you when you had your first kid?

02:24:52.280 22.

02:24:53.880 Essie, can I have you just center your mic, like center it to your body again?

02:24:57.560 You were 22?

02:24:58.580 Correct.

02:24:58.980 Okay.

02:24:59.960 Is he in the picture, that guy?

02:25:02.800 Yes.

02:25:03.560 We co-parent.

02:25:04.320 We have a co-parenting relationship.

02:25:05.820 Shout out.

02:25:06.120 They're great.

02:25:06.740 Okay.

02:25:07.160 Him and his wife.

02:25:08.440 And does he pay you child support?

02:25:10.820 Yes, he does.

02:25:11.460 How much does he pay you?

02:25:12.940 About $300-ish.

02:25:14.700 $300 a month?

02:25:15.940 Yeah.

02:25:16.300 Okay.

02:25:16.940 Is it 50-50 custody?

02:25:19.060 Yes, but I have primary custody.

02:25:21.300 Primary.

02:25:21.900 Yeah.

02:25:22.140 Okay.

02:25:22.900 All right.

02:25:23.640 And so that's the first guy.

02:25:26.060 First marriage, is that the second kid?

02:25:28.160 Yes, sir.

02:25:28.520 Okay.

02:25:29.000 And you were married to him for two years?

02:25:31.200 Approximately.

02:25:31.960 Did he pay you alimony?

02:25:33.780 Alimony, no.

02:25:35.500 Okay.

02:25:36.120 Does he pay you child support?

02:25:38.260 Yes, he does.

02:25:38.920 How much does he pay you?

02:25:40.160 Roughly $400.

02:25:41.880 $400.

02:25:42.680 Okay.

02:25:44.200 And then the third child, is that from your second marriage?

02:25:48.080 Yes, sir.

02:25:48.940 Okay.

02:25:49.280 How long was that second marriage?

02:25:50.720 Two years and three months.

02:25:53.360 Okay.

02:25:53.840 Does he pay you alimony?

02:25:55.020 Yes, he does.

02:25:55.780 How much?

02:25:56.040 Not alimony, child support.

02:25:57.500 Did he ever pay you alimony?

02:25:59.680 No, sir.

02:26:00.440 Okay.

02:26:00.660 How much does he pay you in child support?

02:26:03.480 $650.

02:26:04.480 $650.

02:26:05.360 Okay.

02:26:05.900 Your first divorce, did you initiate, or first marriage, did you initiate the divorce?

02:26:10.400 Yes, sir.

02:26:12.200 Second marriage, did you initiate the divorce?

02:26:14.920 Yes, sir.

02:26:15.360 Okay.

02:26:16.460 What was the reasons?

02:26:19.120 Most recent divorce was, we weren't compatible on our values, mostly regarding around intimacy,

02:26:29.200 sex.

02:26:29.780 He had like a hidden pornography addiction that I wouldn't have ever entered a relationship

02:26:36.600 with him had I known that that was the case.

02:26:39.400 And he misled me, gaslighted me, told me that that wasn't an issue.

02:26:45.740 We disagreed on our values initially, but he said that he would never do anything to betray

02:26:50.860 my trust, and I would just have to trust him.

02:26:52.900 He kept his phone under lock and key, and anytime I would confront him, we would have discussions

02:26:59.760 about it.

02:27:00.260 I was very, very open and honest about my clear boundaries on pornography consumption

02:27:06.780 to me, and I made it very clear that I do consider that cheating, getting any kind of

02:27:11.660 sexual gratification outside of our relationship really hurts the trust and the foundation and

02:27:17.160 the intimacy.

02:27:18.180 So after two and a half years of like gaslighting and always having that instinct, like just something

02:27:24.200 was off, like yeah, I finally found out the truth, and so there was really no like reconciling

02:27:31.240 after that.

02:27:31.900 The damage had already been done.

02:27:33.380 Yeah, that really sucks.

02:27:34.180 I think that pornography addiction is like a really big prevalent issue, especially in

02:27:38.060 younger men.

02:27:38.700 It's awful.

02:27:39.700 Yeah, it is.

02:27:40.440 Did you try to work through it with him, like offer him to go to therapy for his addiction?

02:27:44.220 I did.

02:27:46.540 Intimacy was always really like, it just, it was always really emotionally disconnected for

02:27:52.400 us.

02:27:52.960 I'm really empathetic and emotional and all that stuff, and he was, it was purely physical

02:27:57.480 for him.

02:27:58.880 So there was always a disconnect there.

02:28:01.220 I would always try to bridge that gap, and he wasn't really receptive or reciprocative

02:28:06.620 until divorce papers were on the table.

02:28:09.920 Then he wanted to change his tune, but it wasn't until then.

02:28:13.180 And then the second marriage, reason for divorce?

02:28:15.760 The, well, so that was my, the first marriage, is that the one?

02:28:20.140 Because that was my, I was.

02:28:21.160 Oh, the most recent one.

02:28:22.820 I was referring to the most recent one.

02:28:24.620 Is that you watched adult stuff?

02:28:26.440 Yeah.

02:28:26.940 And then the first one was the reason for the divorce?

02:28:29.740 Yeah.

02:28:30.060 Our, my first marriage, we got divorced.

02:28:35.740 We just, I don't know, we weren't compatible.

02:28:38.720 We had a lot of just really immature fights and disagreements, and then it became like a bitterness,

02:28:45.720 and then it just really, our relationship just degraded because we didn't really treat each

02:28:50.580 other like we cared about each other anymore.

02:28:54.920 So.

02:28:56.600 Hold on.

02:28:57.100 Sorry.

02:28:58.400 Trying to, I never did the story, so I'm trying to get to it.

02:29:02.220 Okay.

02:29:03.180 Relationship status for you?

02:29:04.640 I'm happily married.

02:29:05.960 Married?

02:29:06.300 How long you've been married for?

02:29:07.860 Uh, since April.

02:29:10.740 Any kids?

02:29:11.640 Yes, one.

02:29:12.640 One kid.

02:29:13.240 All right.

02:29:13.500 From your husband, I'm assuming.

02:29:15.500 All right.

02:29:15.840 And you're 22, right?

02:29:16.900 Yes.

02:29:17.720 All right.

02:29:18.360 That's pretty, pretty young.

02:29:19.380 Pretty young there.

02:29:19.900 Congratulations.

02:29:20.840 Thank you.

02:29:21.820 All right.

02:29:22.960 Turn your eyes unmuted.

02:29:25.960 Oh.

02:29:26.260 You're back.

02:29:26.540 Selena, congratulations.

02:29:27.920 Welcome back.

02:29:28.900 I didn't even realize I was muted.

02:29:31.160 She was just enjoying the other people talking.

02:29:33.740 Yeah, thank you.

02:29:34.360 You are now back.

02:29:35.560 What about you?

02:29:35.900 But I just need to say one thing.

02:29:37.100 Oh, my God.

02:29:39.280 Oh, my God.

02:29:41.100 Pasty George, where are you?

02:29:42.520 You're there again.

02:29:43.740 Pasty.

02:29:44.140 We love you.

02:29:45.000 Side eye.

02:29:45.560 You're a real one.

02:29:46.480 That man sounds like he's controlled by lust.

02:29:49.280 And most men are super lustful and controlled by their lust.

02:29:53.980 They can't control it.

02:29:54.360 And I'm sorry about that.

02:29:55.600 They can't control it.

02:29:56.720 Exactly.

02:29:57.500 I appreciate it.

02:29:59.480 What the heck?

02:30:00.020 I wouldn't say can't.

02:30:01.160 Yeah, I would say just choose not to because I think it's a matter of discipline.

02:30:04.920 Discipline's doing something.

02:30:05.960 Whether or not you want to do it.

02:30:07.180 Let me just move this on.

02:30:08.220 What about you?

02:30:09.580 Did you say relationship status or did I miss that?

02:30:11.480 No.

02:30:11.700 Yeah, I haven't said it yet.

02:30:12.640 I'm happily married.

02:30:13.540 Been married since August.

02:30:14.920 And my longest relationship is now over four years.

02:30:17.900 Congratulations.

02:30:18.580 Congrats.

02:30:18.860 Thank you, guys.

02:30:19.620 Congrats.

02:30:20.040 Congrats.

02:30:20.500 We have some chats coming through.

02:30:22.480 And I'll get to those supers.

02:30:23.360 Sorry for the delay on this.

02:30:27.480 In each one, you live in the freest, most prosperous country in the history of the world.

02:30:32.640 And you demonized the very men who gave that to you.

02:30:36.000 Just awful.

02:30:38.100 Boy, what?

02:30:39.540 It's true.

02:30:39.760 That's an embarrassing comment.

02:30:41.000 Yeah, it's like we said earlier, freedom isn't free.

02:30:43.100 I think that's where that comment came from.

02:30:45.720 Sorry for the delay on that tiramisu.

02:30:48.280 She stepped away, so I just wanted to wait because your TTS was directed at her.

02:30:53.320 I wanted to wait a moment until she returned and until the mic mutes came off.

02:30:58.260 So, sorry for the delay on that.

02:30:59.920 We have, can I have you read?

02:31:01.700 I don't know if you can see.

02:31:02.460 Yeah.

02:31:02.720 Essie, you get to read.

02:31:04.220 Yay.

02:31:05.100 I'm reading the full thing?

02:31:06.100 Yeah.

02:31:06.580 Okay.

02:31:09.020 Is it Barrio Wisdom?

02:31:10.480 Barrio Wisdom.

02:31:11.420 Mexican-American here.

02:31:12.300 I voted for Trump.

02:31:13.120 Chair four is typical 304 hot cheeto eating Latina with liberal views.

02:31:16.480 We do not claim her.

02:31:17.320 Good luck.

02:31:18.280 Up to your next non-existent rap career.

02:31:20.320 We don't claim you.

02:31:21.620 We don't claim you.

02:31:22.900 Yeah, you seem like a sellout with all set of streets.

02:31:26.220 Latinos for Trump are embarrassing.

02:31:27.960 Yeah, that's called being a sellout.

02:31:28.600 I don't know about the Trump part.

02:31:30.540 Embarrassing.

02:31:31.080 All right.

02:31:31.620 Thank you, Barrio Wisdom.

02:31:33.120 We have Dalimar here.

02:31:37.220 I'm sorry.

02:31:38.420 Detained is not arrested.

02:31:39.640 Arrested is not deported.

02:31:40.880 You incompetent effing children.

02:31:43.560 You not even know what the fuck due process is.

02:31:45.740 Illegal aliens are automatically, I can't read that part.

02:31:49.960 Deportable.

02:31:50.360 Deported.

02:31:50.920 You do not get a jury trial.

02:31:52.860 Everyone has the right to due process.

02:31:54.380 It's every citizen.

02:31:56.120 I thought this was a dating show.

02:31:57.400 Yeah, me too.

02:31:58.580 Hey, I don't know.

02:31:59.340 Some people brought it to other places.

02:32:00.880 Just going off of laws here, you have to be a citizen to get due process.

02:32:04.660 Everyone deserves due process.

02:32:05.880 I can agree with that sentiment that everybody deserves it, but if we're looking at the facts

02:32:11.580 here, not everybody gets it, and they deserve it.

02:32:13.800 Shouldn't we really bog down the United States government with unnecessary, like, are we going

02:32:18.880 to, like, give people, like, what if they all opt for jury trials?

02:32:24.280 Economically, it's not feasible.

02:32:25.980 It's not feasible judiciously.

02:32:28.560 What?

02:32:28.820 Is that the right word?

02:32:30.920 Judicially.

02:32:32.080 Thank you.

02:32:33.000 Judicially.

02:32:33.400 Yeah, I have a list for something, I guess.

02:32:35.120 Thank you for that, but it's just not practical.

02:32:40.360 It's really not practical.

02:32:41.420 There's so much money in the world.

02:32:42.720 It's so practical.

02:32:44.080 No.

02:32:44.480 It is.

02:32:44.880 No, it's not.

02:32:45.520 I think any of these.

02:32:46.440 Kumbaya.

02:32:47.000 All right, here.

02:32:47.480 Can you read this one, Nessie?

02:32:49.220 If it was all Kumbaya in North America, pre-Columbus, then why do the cliff dwellers exist?

02:32:54.700 Question mark.

02:32:55.460 They versus barbarians?

02:32:57.740 I'm not familiar.

02:32:58.300 I don't know what the cliff dwellers.

02:33:00.260 I'm not sure what that is.

02:33:01.660 Red herring.

02:33:03.400 That, how is it?

02:33:04.840 I'm not.

02:33:05.360 Okay.

02:33:06.040 Sure.

02:33:07.320 All right.

02:33:08.180 Thank you for that.

02:33:11.140 Pasty George says this.

02:33:14.580 Patrick Diver says that.

02:33:16.840 Jack, Paul Russell, Essie, if you can read this one.

02:33:20.120 Chair eight is awesome.

02:33:21.300 Chair one is absolutely stupid.

02:33:22.900 Chair four is also ridiculously dumb.

02:33:24.840 Chair four needs to read the book Empire of the Summer Moon.

02:33:27.800 Oh.

02:33:28.400 You wish you were as smart as me, Jock.

02:33:30.480 No, he doesn't.

02:33:33.660 Yeah, he does.

02:33:35.000 I can call family say that because I know who that is.

02:33:37.220 So Georgetown educated, about to get my degree in foreign policy.

02:33:41.300 So I'm pretty sure he does wish he was as educated.

02:33:43.880 Obviously, your education hasn't gotten you very far because you got your ass handed to

02:33:46.840 you in the first hour.

02:33:48.100 Girl, no.

02:33:49.280 My ass was not handed to me.

02:33:50.560 My education has gotten me quite far.

02:33:52.700 Being arrogant doesn't make you smart.

02:33:54.440 I'm not arrogant.

02:33:55.220 It doesn't make you right.

02:33:55.900 I'm not arrogant.

02:33:57.080 I'm just stating facts.

02:33:58.580 Okay.

02:33:58.720 So now stating facts is being arrogant.

02:34:00.700 Cute.

02:34:01.360 Sure.

02:34:01.840 If you had facts, maybe you'd state them too.

02:34:03.860 You just have opinions and you want to project them as facts.

02:34:06.480 They are facts.

02:34:07.280 They're not.

02:34:07.420 Most of what I'm saying is factually correct and I've learned it through reading books.

02:34:13.300 Yeah.

02:34:13.600 I don't know what kind of books you're reading, but I've read books and that's some bullshit.

02:34:16.840 Why are you being so rude and jealousy?

02:34:18.420 I just don't understand.

02:34:19.920 You know, I'm not going to talk actually.

02:34:21.100 I'm talking about jealousy.

02:34:21.640 You want to, you're like directly pointing, like why are you being so rude?

02:34:23.960 I think you're projecting because I, this, no, this energy literally came from her trying

02:34:28.100 to accuse somebody of being jealous.

02:34:30.400 Nobody's jealous.

02:34:30.900 Yes, you are.

02:34:31.640 Yes, you are.

02:34:33.480 I just think that there needs to be this, uh, we need to be able to let two things be

02:34:38.380 true at once.

02:34:39.940 We can agree on certain aspects and disagree on certain aspects and they can still both be

02:34:44.160 true.

02:34:44.800 You don't got to be rude.

02:34:45.460 Can we just all be nice to each other and talk about dating?

02:34:47.860 That's a good idea.

02:34:48.840 But I love the points that you're saying.

02:34:50.120 I kind of like that.

02:34:50.660 I love them.

02:34:51.280 I kind of like that.

02:34:52.400 Hold on.

02:34:53.860 I feel like it's curating a lot of hate and anger.

02:34:59.020 What do you mean by curating hate?

02:35:00.860 Because it's very black and white.

02:35:02.760 Like, I just feel like the conversation that we've been having has been, um.

02:35:06.000 On, on my side?

02:35:07.380 On.

02:35:08.020 Or on their side?

02:35:08.740 I think there's a lot of just underlying feelings of, um, anger in what we're talking

02:35:15.000 about because it obviously, like, is very, I mean, that makes sense why it's like that.

02:35:19.940 I just, I don't even know what I'm trying to say.

02:35:21.420 I just literally just don't want to be talking about this because it's so annoying.

02:35:25.960 Honestly, never mind, never mind.

02:35:27.040 I'll speak in another second.

02:35:28.780 Just man-hating misandrists.

02:35:31.040 I, I would consider myself to be a, a, by definition, a feminist, but I think that when

02:35:38.100 you come into a discussion like this and you're unable to be wrong or at least to agree

02:35:42.400 to, like, hey, this might be true.

02:35:45.040 Uh, I don't necessarily emotionally agree with that, but, like, objectively it can be

02:35:48.920 true.

02:35:49.520 If we can't do that, then there's no point in even having this conversation.

02:35:52.400 So, like, do you think, like, because you feel that you're not, like, a feminist or

02:36:00.760 whatever, you are better than other women?

02:36:02.980 No, I don't.

02:36:03.600 I'm a pretty humble person.

02:36:05.260 Okay, so do you feel that we hate men?

02:36:10.180 I don't think all feminists hate men.

02:36:11.820 Do you think I hate men?

02:36:12.560 But I do think that feminist extremists hate men.

02:36:14.380 And a lot of what you're saying does seem like man-hating behavior.

02:36:17.280 So, standing up for women's rights isn't hating men.

02:36:23.140 But placing all of the blame on men is hating men.

02:36:26.240 And what you're doing is you're devaluing the suffering that men go through and then

02:36:29.740 the men victims.

02:36:31.140 What?

02:36:31.940 Yes.

02:36:32.540 Girl.

02:36:33.060 I think it's the way you're saying it.

02:36:34.660 Yes, exactly.

02:36:35.180 It's not like you're specifically saying that, like, oh, all men are this and all women are

02:36:40.280 great.

02:36:40.840 It's just the way that you've come into the conversation, how you've discussed things.

02:36:44.860 It seems like you're leading more to, like, men suck completely.

02:36:49.580 I mean, I do think men suck.

02:36:51.160 I think a lot, because of the patriarchy, a lot of men have arrogance and they mistreat

02:36:58.960 women.

02:36:59.440 Do you agree?

02:37:00.840 No, I don't agree.

02:37:01.880 So, you think men don't mistreat women?

02:37:03.840 I'm not saying that.

02:37:05.580 I do not think that a majority of men mistreat women.

02:37:08.400 I do not.

02:37:09.380 Why do you think there are phrases like, ugh, men suck?

02:37:12.640 Because I think women are petty and dramatic.

02:37:15.240 Okay, so just because, like, you're going against other women doesn't mean, like, men

02:37:18.860 are going to choose you.

02:37:20.000 I'm not.

02:37:20.500 Pick me.

02:37:20.900 I'm married.

02:37:21.520 I'm already sold.

02:37:22.540 I'm off the streets.

02:37:24.000 The streets?

02:37:25.040 Yeah, we're all you are.

02:37:27.460 So, you think because I'm not married, I'm on the streets and I, like, really need a

02:37:30.980 husband?

02:37:31.040 You're really bitterly and desperately single.

02:37:33.500 Yes.

02:37:35.240 You're obviously not happy.

02:37:36.940 Your attitude does not scream, I'm happy and I love my life.

02:37:39.940 I don't think this conversation is progressive at all.

02:37:42.080 I mean, I think my attitude is critical.

02:37:44.640 I'm critical of the world.

02:37:46.060 I'm not here sitting like, la, la, la, la, everything's all good.

02:37:48.740 Well, your attitude is a reflection of yourself and if you don't respect the others around

02:37:52.360 you, that I don't see why anybody should respect you.

02:37:54.340 I'm not disrespecting.

02:37:55.680 You are.

02:37:56.100 I'm just stating facts.

02:37:56.300 You're saying men suck.

02:37:57.820 That's not disrespectful.

02:37:58.800 It is.

02:37:59.360 It really is.

02:37:59.980 That's stating facts about the pain.

02:38:01.680 It's not.

02:38:02.320 Okay, well, I'm sorry.

02:38:03.440 You're the one that literally just said it's a privilege to carry a man's child and that

02:38:06.980 abortion should be a thing.

02:38:07.260 You're still bringing this up three hours later?

02:38:09.840 I mean, it's a pretty big point.

02:38:10.720 I've never heard it.

02:38:11.680 You're going to keep deflecting back to that fucking point?

02:38:13.820 That's not deflecting.

02:38:14.780 I'm saying I've literally never heard that before.

02:38:15.820 You're going way off fucking topic because you think you have a point.

02:38:20.580 Can we please change the conversation?

02:38:27.640 I just don't think either of you guys' minds are going to get, like, changed.

02:38:31.100 No, I mean, I'm just interested in, like, having semantics.

02:38:35.100 I believe in good faith debate.

02:38:36.660 I am willing to have my mind changed.

02:38:38.060 I am interested in seeing, like, where this is coming from because I've never really spoken

02:38:43.480 to someone that thinks this way, especially a woman.

02:38:46.960 So, I'm interested in kind of understanding.

02:38:53.040 I'm wondering why the discrimination and the intolerance for men is appropriate.

02:38:57.240 You think I'm discriminating against men?

02:38:59.200 You are discriminating against men, yes.

02:39:01.920 So, by recognizing the patriarchy exists and by recognizing the oppression that men have

02:39:09.540 done to women, I am being discriminatory?

02:39:13.380 No, you have this delusional theory that everything is men's fault.

02:39:16.180 I never said everything was men's fault.

02:39:18.280 I said there are certain things that men have enacted upon women.

02:39:21.960 Okay.

02:39:22.460 But anytime someone tries to add on to that or elaborate, you rebut it or, like, completely

02:39:27.580 shut it down.

02:39:27.600 Because I disagree.

02:39:28.700 It's called just disagreeing with a point.

02:39:30.800 I feel like...

02:39:31.180 Which is the point of a podcast.

02:39:32.440 Going back to, like, the privilege thing, I can see how it kind of, like, shocked you

02:39:36.220 that she said.

02:39:36.860 I agree.

02:39:36.900 But I feel like coming from women who can't have kids, it is a privilege to have a child.

02:39:43.300 I mean, she said having a man's child, but it is a privilege to have a child, because

02:39:48.100 there's a lot of women who can't do that.

02:39:49.520 Okay, yeah, but that was not what I was saying.

02:39:51.420 Your child.

02:39:52.080 I was saying, I was replying to, it's a privilege to carry a man's child.

02:39:57.680 You're retorting with irrelevant information because it triggered you and you think that

02:40:01.160 you have a point and you don't.

02:40:02.720 I do.

02:40:03.300 You really don't.

02:40:04.400 I do have a point.

02:40:05.520 Sure.

02:40:05.860 Anyways, so what do you define as the streets?

02:40:11.840 I mean, I'm listening to a bunch of girls who got mile-long rosters.

02:40:16.700 That's for the streets.

02:40:18.140 You guys are in the dating scene.

02:40:19.680 You are a part of the sex culture that is on the streets.

02:40:23.700 Because when you're taken off the streets, you are getting married.

02:40:27.920 So you think, so what about a man that has a roster?

02:40:30.700 Is that okay?

02:40:31.780 That's really not my place to have an opinion on, because I'm not a man.

02:40:35.560 But you're defending them very frequently.

02:40:37.840 So I find it hard to believe that you don't have an opinion on that or an answer for that.

02:40:41.460 I'm trying to figure out why women think that we have the right to tell men what to do and

02:40:45.500 what our expectations are of them, when we rarely have any expectations of ourselves.

02:40:50.100 But you also think that abortion should be illegal.

02:40:53.400 So you're saying you find it hard for men, or for us, to have expectations for men and

02:40:58.700 what they can and can't do, but you are, it's the opposite.

02:41:01.800 You have the opposite belief about abortion.

02:41:03.660 I'm allowed to have beliefs.

02:41:04.760 I'm not, I do not have the power to go up to somebody and say that you cannot have an

02:41:09.420 abortion and force them to not have an abortion.

02:41:11.420 I do not have that power, so I can't physically do that.

02:41:15.220 Okay, that wasn't my point, but.

02:41:17.160 I'm allowed to have an opinion, and I'm allowed to have a political one.

02:41:19.940 I'm allowed to have opinions on sexual reproduction, because I am a woman.

02:41:23.460 Yeah.

02:41:23.580 So do you judge women that sleep with multiple men?

02:41:27.920 Yes.

02:41:28.560 Why?

02:41:29.640 Because I think that you are disrespecting yourself and the people that you're pretending

02:41:33.340 to try and have a relationship with.

02:41:35.640 What if you're just sleeping with them and not having a relationship with them?

02:41:38.560 Well, I don't see what there is to gain from not having genuine, authentic connections.

02:41:43.300 So.

02:41:43.720 Pleasure?

02:41:44.000 You can get that from a vibrator.

02:41:47.140 I don't know why you need to go get STDs from a bunch of dudes.

02:41:49.940 You don't need to get STDs to have sex with people.

02:41:52.420 Yeah, but there's also a greater chance if you are actively having sex with a great number

02:41:56.160 of people.

02:41:57.360 I mean, yeah, if you use protection, it's like, you don't.

02:41:59.420 So what if a man had a roster of like seven girls?

02:42:02.840 Would you still date him?

02:42:04.780 Probably not.

02:42:05.460 No, probably not.

02:42:06.520 But that's the thing is that we should be holding people to the equal standards that

02:42:10.760 we hold ourselves to and not more.

02:42:12.880 So if like if a guy had a higher body count than you, you wouldn't date him or be with

02:42:17.740 him?

02:42:18.540 Honestly, that's not possible in my case because my husband's a little bit older than me.

02:42:22.280 So I think it's natural that he has a little bit higher of a body count.

02:42:25.520 So yeah, no, I'm not going to judge men for having a higher body count than me.

02:42:29.080 Also, I personally enjoy the experience.

02:42:30.540 But you'll judge women for having a higher body count than you?

02:42:33.520 Yeah, I'm going to do that.

02:42:34.900 So why are you judging women for having a higher body count than you and not men?

02:42:38.640 Because it does reflect on you at the end of the day and it reflects in your attitude,

02:42:42.400 your personality.

02:42:43.560 I mean, how you're presenting yourself.

02:42:45.300 I it really does.

02:42:46.340 Do you have a lot of friends that are women?

02:42:48.160 I do.

02:42:48.800 You do?

02:42:49.480 I do.

02:42:50.300 Did your husband have a high body count?

02:42:52.060 Huh?

02:42:52.280 I honestly don't know what his body count is.

02:42:53.980 I didn't ask.

02:42:56.620 And I don't know why.

02:42:57.780 Why would I?

02:42:58.600 Oh, girl, you're in for a surprise.

02:43:02.440 I'm really not.

02:43:03.500 What's the you're in for a surprise?

02:43:04.900 Because you're never going to end up married.

02:43:06.420 I'm glad.

02:43:07.060 You said he's a little bit older than you.

02:43:10.680 Girl, I'm not even trying to be mean.

02:43:12.080 He's a little bit older than me.

02:43:12.640 That's what I'm going to know.

02:43:13.120 What's like the age gap between you?

02:43:14.680 About 20.

02:43:15.340 Let's just not be mean.

02:43:16.720 Were you his first marriage?

02:43:19.420 Yes.

02:43:22.200 Okay.

02:43:23.060 That's good.

02:43:24.660 Wait, how old is he?

02:43:25.980 Oh, he just turned 44.

02:43:27.880 Okay.

02:43:28.240 He's not.

02:43:28.900 When you said older, I thought like 60 years.

02:43:32.460 Whoa.

02:43:32.760 Do you live here in California?

02:43:33.960 No.

02:43:34.460 Where are you from?

02:43:35.140 Southern Oregon.

02:43:37.060 Well, I think it's a difference in values as well from where we're from.

02:43:40.320 I think for your, especially age too.

02:43:42.220 Like if you're an older man, I'm not going to judge your body count the same way I would

02:43:47.180 judge a man who's like 21.

02:43:49.120 Right.

02:43:49.700 I would still kind of judge it though.

02:43:50.960 I'd average it per year.

02:43:51.780 Because I think that there is a level of judgment that is acceptable.

02:43:56.800 It's like, oh, you know, there are reflections in your actions to your life, but I do believe

02:44:01.460 that a lot of things are situational.

02:44:02.980 Like with your situation, your husband is older.

02:44:06.140 So are you like objectively speaking, it's most likely that he would have a higher body

02:44:11.000 count than you because you're younger.

02:44:12.400 It just makes sense.

02:44:13.520 Right.

02:44:13.800 But hopefully it's not like 300 or something.

02:44:16.280 No, definitely not.

02:44:17.580 Because that would be difficult to achieve.

02:44:20.120 When it gets to the numbers that are difficult to achieve, that's when it's like, okay.

02:44:24.240 You would think they're difficult, but some men, I hear it and I'm like, you're a 30.

02:44:28.020 How is your body count like 600 women?

02:44:30.240 I've met them too, but those are the men, they, I feel like it goes for women too.

02:44:36.540 When you're that type of person, you give off that type of vibe and people stay away.

02:44:39.920 May I ask, like, are you expected to do like any duties around the house?

02:44:44.320 No.

02:44:44.440 No, I volunteer myself because I feel like, you know, I have time to do it.

02:44:48.880 And so I do it.

02:44:50.280 That's nice.

02:44:51.920 So if you, so you're not like, he doesn't like expect you to clean or anything.

02:44:55.660 I don't have to.

02:44:56.580 Or like, do you, like you can have a job.

02:44:58.460 I don't have to do anything, but I contribute as much as I can towards my relationship voluntarily.

02:45:04.640 Are you allowed to have a job?

02:45:05.940 Yes, I have a job.

02:45:06.600 Okay.

02:45:06.820 So that's called feminism.

02:45:07.820 So you're a feminist.

02:45:09.060 No, I'm not a feminist.

02:45:10.780 But those privileges were all granted to you by feminism.

02:45:13.860 Oh, I'm not a career driven person.

02:45:16.300 This isn't a career.

02:45:17.360 It's a job.

02:45:18.120 There's a difference.

02:45:19.220 Okay.

02:45:19.520 Yeah.

02:45:19.760 But all of that is granted to you by feminism, therefore making you a feminist.

02:45:24.240 Granted to me by feminism.

02:45:26.640 What do you mean?

02:45:27.540 Before that, you wouldn't have been able to have a job and you'd be expected to do all

02:45:31.140 the domestic duties of the household.

02:45:32.660 Who said that I want to have a job?

02:45:34.560 So you don't want a job?

02:45:35.360 Maybe I just want to get out of the house for a few hours a day, you know?

02:45:39.080 Maybe I really enjoy my job so much it doesn't feel like work.

02:45:42.140 Like, white girl.

02:45:44.800 I know.

02:45:45.380 It's really incomprehensible to really love your life and what you're doing.

02:45:49.100 No, I'm just saying that you are enjoying a lot of the benefits of feminism.

02:45:51.940 I'm enjoying a lot of the benefits of the so-called patriarchy that you find oppressive.

02:45:56.000 There's a difference between modern feminism and just like the point blank.

02:45:59.940 If we're talking about the definition of feminism, I feel like most women would be considered

02:46:03.760 feminists.

02:46:04.420 So yeah, the definition of feminism would be equality for all men and women and everyone.

02:46:08.840 But it's evolved.

02:46:10.400 It's different now.

02:46:11.200 Right.

02:46:11.460 And a lot of modern feminism goes towards encouraging more rights of women and promoting the...

02:46:18.280 It's a little extremist.

02:46:19.560 Yeah, it is definitely a little more extremist.

02:46:21.840 And then promoting hatred towards men, which devalues the male victims and makes them feel

02:46:26.500 unheard and unseen.

02:46:29.820 Yes.

02:46:30.140 No, I totally agree with that.

02:46:31.440 I think that that is something that's very important.

02:46:33.340 Um, I just, me personally, again, I'm on the same page as you, like dish out which, you

02:46:39.280 know, which you want to receive.

02:46:41.120 Right.

02:46:41.660 Um, I think that there are unfortunately a lot of men and women who are actively perpetuating

02:46:47.520 and speaking on, especially online about these really extremist opinions.

02:46:51.540 Right.

02:46:51.880 And it kind of like doesn't leave room for the middle ground, which I feel like is most

02:46:57.180 normal people.

02:46:58.180 Right.

02:46:58.440 And that's why I'm not trying to make any grand claims, like hating all feminists.

02:47:02.580 Like that's not, it's inaccurate.

02:47:04.780 You're overgeneralizing and you're labeling an entire group built on an individual's behavior.

02:47:10.020 Exactly.

02:47:10.940 No, I totally agree with you.

02:47:12.360 Would you be a stay at home wife if your husband wanted you to, or you were, had the

02:47:16.140 financial opportunity to do that?

02:47:17.200 Once we have kids, I will be a stay at home mom right now.

02:47:19.580 I'm just trying to keep myself busy.

02:47:20.720 I don't have enough house to clean.

02:47:22.760 What attracted you to your husband?

02:47:24.900 Oh man, it's really hard to say.

02:47:26.480 I think it was just, he offered me the stability I could never find in anybody else.

02:47:32.820 And he gave me the opportunity to change for the better.

02:47:35.240 And I honestly would have never been with him if I didn't change and just be better.

02:47:39.240 You know?

02:47:39.600 How do you feel about the age difference?

02:47:41.540 It honestly doesn't bother me.

02:47:43.360 Not even a little bit.

02:47:44.900 I really like the silver fox thing.

02:47:48.300 Okay, I have some questions.

02:47:50.180 What?

02:47:51.200 What years were World War I, starting with you, Selena?

02:47:54.400 Why is this funny?

02:47:58.320 This is just what I asked.

02:48:00.620 World War I, okay.

02:48:02.780 It was...

02:48:03.880 Wait, if you know it, do you know it for sure?

02:48:06.220 Because if you know it for sure, don't answer, guys.

02:48:08.060 Okay.

02:48:08.500 Okay.

02:48:09.160 Then I'll be quiet.

02:48:10.680 You know it.

02:48:11.420 I think so.

02:48:12.660 You want to guess?

02:48:13.400 No, you don't know it.

02:48:20.320 Just have them answer.

02:48:22.320 Well, sometimes they're like, I know it.

02:48:24.320 And then they ruin it for everyone.

02:48:26.220 Just have them answer.

02:48:27.340 Okay.

02:48:28.020 World War I.

02:48:30.400 I want to say...

02:48:33.400 We're going to say 1910.

02:48:45.900 That's just your range, or are you guessing the year 1910?

02:48:50.140 I'll say...

02:48:51.240 I'll say like around 1910, 19, maybe 14 was the end.

02:48:57.660 Okay.

02:48:58.140 What about you?

02:48:59.720 I'm not going to lie.

02:49:00.680 No, you have to answer.

02:49:01.560 I don't know.

02:49:02.440 You have to guess.

02:49:03.800 Okay.

02:49:04.340 Then if I have to guess, I'll say like 1930.

02:49:08.640 To?

02:49:11.040 A year later.

02:49:12.560 So 1930 to 1931.

02:49:14.280 I'm not a politics person, guys.

02:49:16.000 That's history.

02:49:18.500 I thought it was 1914.

02:49:19.760 War is a political, though.

02:49:22.200 Okay.

02:49:22.440 Don't talk over her.

02:49:23.800 Okay.

02:49:24.220 1914.

02:49:25.380 To?

02:49:26.240 To...

02:49:26.940 I don't...

02:49:28.680 I literally listen to so many history podcasts over the summer about World War I.

02:49:31.560 War I, so it's like pissing me off that I can't remember.

02:49:33.640 But like, I'll just say 1914 to 1918.

02:49:37.120 Okay.

02:49:37.680 Next.

02:49:38.880 Same answer.

02:49:40.260 But?

02:49:41.620 1914 to 1918.

02:49:43.480 Okay.

02:49:43.820 Next.

02:49:45.600 I think I might be wrong now.

02:49:47.440 I'm going to say 1922 to 1926.

02:49:52.140 Okay.

02:49:52.440 Next.

02:49:53.520 I believe it was 1914 to 1918.

02:49:57.100 Next.

02:49:58.220 1914 to 1918.

02:50:00.160 1914 to 1918.

02:50:02.160 Yes.

02:50:02.420 Yes, it is 1914 to 1918.

02:50:04.000 You know what?

02:50:04.560 Oh, I was kind of close considering how clueless I was.

02:50:08.240 I don't think you were very close, but I appreciate it.

02:50:11.660 Okay.

02:50:12.080 It's close.

02:50:12.400 What years were World War II?

02:50:16.440 I'm going to say 1930s.

02:50:19.240 To?

02:50:20.500 Like, I'm just going to say sometime in the 1930s.

02:50:22.800 Okay.

02:50:23.620 Next.

02:50:25.260 Same thing, I guess.

02:50:26.640 Yeah, you have to be original.

02:50:28.000 You have to give me years.

02:50:29.400 Okay.

02:50:30.120 Then I'll say something outlandish.

02:50:32.140 1980.

02:50:33.240 You have to, like, really get it.

02:50:35.260 You can't just be like, oh, what she said.

02:50:38.400 Well, World War II came after the first one, so I'm going to assume it was after 20.

02:50:45.300 So?

02:50:46.260 Let's say 1925.

02:50:47.640 1925 to three years later.

02:50:51.680 So 1925 to 1920.

02:50:53.360 Okay.

02:50:54.040 Next.

02:50:55.620 I want to say, like, 1942 to, like, it could have ended in 1942, though.

02:51:04.380 I don't know.

02:51:07.080 It could have also been 1932.

02:51:09.040 I'm just, I'll say 1932 to 1938.

02:51:14.640 Okay.

02:51:14.980 That doesn't sound right, but I know it's going to be wrong.

02:51:16.880 I'll say 1942 to 1944.

02:51:20.400 Okay.

02:51:20.720 Next.

02:51:21.260 I'm going to say 1934 to 1937.

02:51:24.740 Next.

02:51:26.800 1932 to 1937.

02:51:30.840 Next.

02:51:31.580 It's 1939 to 1942.

02:51:34.200 Next.

02:51:34.640 That's me, probably.

02:51:36.120 I honestly don't know, so I'll guess.

02:51:38.120 Guys, guys.

02:51:38.700 1940, 1943-ish.

02:51:41.700 It was 1939 to 1945.

02:51:44.160 Okay.

02:51:44.580 Okay.

02:51:45.260 Okay.

02:51:45.660 I only know this from this podcast, though.

02:51:49.440 Get it.

02:51:50.580 Name a continent.

02:51:52.500 Africa.

02:51:54.240 Oceania.

02:51:55.980 North America.

02:51:58.020 Next.

02:51:59.500 South America.

02:52:00.680 Next.

02:52:01.440 Australia.

02:52:02.360 That was already said.

02:52:03.880 Australia was already said.

02:52:05.060 Oceania.

02:52:06.060 Oceania.

02:52:06.100 It's included in Oceania.

02:52:07.420 Yeah.

02:52:07.700 Oh.

02:52:08.440 That's right.

02:52:10.200 Do I have to guess again?

02:52:11.660 You have to guess a different one, yeah.

02:52:13.300 We can't repeat.

02:52:14.360 No repeating.

02:52:14.680 Did they say North America?

02:52:16.020 Yeah.

02:52:16.880 South America.

02:52:17.860 Yeah.

02:52:18.680 That one.

02:52:19.820 Oh, God.

02:52:20.560 What would have we got out of the way now?

02:52:22.220 What else do we have?

02:52:22.840 No, I've left.

02:52:24.120 Oh, did you say Africa?

02:52:25.680 Yes.

02:52:25.900 Yes.

02:52:26.120 Okay.

02:52:28.300 Okay, so.

02:52:31.520 Yeah, Africa.

02:52:32.580 No, Africa was already said.

02:52:36.340 Europe.

02:52:37.340 Okay, next.

02:52:38.840 Shit.

02:52:39.460 Running out.

02:52:39.900 You took no.

02:52:40.900 No, we have enough.

02:52:41.760 Is Antarctica a continent?

02:52:43.760 Yes, next.

02:52:44.640 Ah.

02:52:45.780 Next.

02:52:47.140 Is Russia a continent?

02:52:48.660 No.

02:52:49.080 I mean, yeah, I don't know.

02:52:49.780 I didn't think so.

02:52:50.260 I thought it was just a country, but that thing is fucking huge.

02:52:53.540 No, there's one more.

02:52:54.760 It's within a continent that hasn't been said.

02:52:56.540 Okay, okay.

02:52:57.420 There's one more.

02:53:02.960 It's pretty big.

02:53:04.340 I know.

02:53:04.960 I was just saying it's huge.

02:53:12.020 I don't know.

02:53:14.820 It's Asia.

02:53:15.620 Asia.

02:53:16.300 I see, I see.

02:53:17.620 My husband told me that wasn't continent.

02:53:20.480 What a jerk.

02:53:21.420 He set you up.

02:53:22.660 I don't know.

02:53:23.500 Guys, no repeating, by the way.

02:53:26.000 Name three countries.

02:53:29.580 Three countries?

02:53:30.700 Yeah.

02:53:33.080 Switzerland.

02:53:34.920 That's one.

02:53:36.380 The United States.

02:53:38.300 That's two.

02:53:40.220 Haiti.

02:53:41.160 Okay, next.

02:53:42.480 Australia, New Zealand, and Greenland.

02:53:46.700 Next.

02:53:47.880 Colombia, Brazil, Argentina.

02:53:51.660 Next.

02:53:52.220 Wait, am I supposed to not say what everyone else has said?

02:53:54.220 Yeah.

02:53:54.680 Oh my God, that's so hard to remember.

02:53:55.920 I still have the easy one.

02:53:57.300 Well, I think I'll remember, so I'll tell you.

02:54:00.040 Okay.

02:54:00.300 What did we already not say?

02:54:06.020 Let's see.

02:54:09.280 Canada.

02:54:10.460 Okay.

02:54:12.020 And we already said Russia.

02:54:14.920 No, that wasn't said.

02:54:15.960 Oh, Russia?

02:54:16.740 Yeah.

02:54:16.940 Did we say Ireland?

02:54:30.060 Nope, that's already been said.

02:54:31.520 Or that's been, you just said that.

02:54:33.060 No, you just said that.

02:54:33.960 Oh, okay, okay.

02:54:34.240 That hasn't been said already.

02:54:35.340 Next.

02:54:36.580 Sweden, Ireland.

02:54:38.040 That was already said.

02:54:38.900 Sweden?

02:54:39.220 It was Switzerland.

02:54:40.060 Switzerland.

02:54:40.620 It was Switzerland.

02:54:40.980 No, I just said Ireland.

02:54:42.500 You just said Sweden?

02:54:43.740 Wait, what?

02:54:44.040 Not Sweden, no.

02:54:45.640 She just said Ireland, so.

02:54:47.140 Okay, can I say Sweden?

02:54:48.680 Yeah.

02:54:49.080 And then Norway and Finland.

02:54:50.860 Okay, next.

02:54:53.160 Congo, Kazakhstan, and Mexico.

02:54:55.460 Next.

02:54:57.640 China, Japan.

02:54:59.640 I'm trying to think of another one off the top of my head.

02:55:03.600 Oh, shit.

02:55:09.060 That's a good one.

02:55:09.840 I don't want to steal it.

02:55:10.980 I feel bad.

02:55:11.760 Yeah, I guess Thailand, I don't know.

02:55:13.160 Guys, guys, don't be giving a hint.

02:55:14.300 Yeah, I was like, I feel bad now.

02:55:15.760 All the easy ones were taken.

02:55:17.980 They're all, there's a lot.

02:55:18.960 I liked the challenge.

02:55:19.800 It was fun.

02:55:22.320 Okay, what was your final one?

02:55:24.100 Oh, somebody said Thailand.

02:55:25.360 Okay.

02:55:26.880 Whatever.

02:55:27.600 I know, I feel bad.

02:55:28.560 I cheated.

02:55:29.720 Whatever, I'll let you pass.

02:55:31.460 You would have had it.

02:55:32.160 We were asking, name three countries.

02:55:35.740 I mean, I know you didn't hear most of them, so you can just throw out whatever.

02:55:38.960 Palestine, Congo, Sudan.

02:55:45.620 Okay.

02:55:45.920 I think you said Congo.

02:55:46.980 Yeah.

02:55:47.280 I said Congo.

02:55:47.740 Oh, I could do that.

02:55:48.840 Well, she wasn't here.

02:55:51.340 Oh, that's true.

02:55:51.560 I love Ghana.

02:55:53.160 You guys should visit Ghana.

02:55:55.880 Okay.

02:55:57.680 What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?

02:56:04.740 I would say close to what I would be making.

02:56:09.780 I'm, like, hoping, like, around 100K.

02:56:13.420 Like, that's my goal on what I want to be making.

02:56:15.720 So, dual income would be pretty good.

02:56:20.300 Okay.

02:56:20.860 Next.

02:56:24.020 I've never really considered a number.

02:56:26.860 It's more about the lifestyle.

02:56:28.000 I personally see myself making at least 80K a year.

02:56:34.580 I'm not really intending to live some lavish lifestyle or anything, but just enough to support a home, maybe a couple children, our pets, and basic utilities go out on the weekend, stuff like that.

02:56:47.660 Like, however much you would need to have a normal life, really.

02:56:50.560 Just as long as the bills are paid?

02:56:51.780 Yeah.

02:56:52.320 Hell yeah.

02:56:52.960 Okay.

02:56:53.660 Next.

02:56:55.140 $500,000.

02:56:56.360 I'm just kidding.

02:56:57.120 No, I don't feel that way.

02:56:58.740 I don't know.

02:56:59.360 I just, I don't really care about money as much as, as long as I really, really fuck with the person that I'm with.

02:57:04.200 It's not really a factor.

02:57:05.680 I mean, as long as they're not, like, obviously I want them to be, like, driven and have goals and have something that they're focused on, but they don't, it doesn't really matter to me, like, how much they're making as long as I truly fuck with them.

02:57:20.360 What about you?

02:57:20.960 Um, minimum 100K.

02:57:24.320 Okay.

02:57:25.280 Um, what about you?

02:57:28.220 Like, 65K.

02:57:29.460 I think character and compatibility matter more.

02:57:35.420 Okay.

02:57:36.460 Um, continuing down the line, please don't make me have to prompt you every time.

02:57:41.900 Uh, I think minimum, like, 30K.

02:57:44.560 Okay.

02:57:45.400 30K?

02:57:46.060 I don't care.

02:57:47.340 We have to survive, girl.

02:57:48.860 Uh, we make less and we survive.

02:57:50.460 What?

02:57:51.180 Wait, where are you from?

02:57:52.440 Ventura.

02:57:53.820 I'm moving next month, so.

02:57:55.820 I'm moving.

02:57:56.600 I have to head out, so they told me to say it on the show.

02:57:59.080 Um, hold on.

02:58:00.160 Let me at least get into your notes here really quick.

02:58:02.580 Um, one sec.

02:58:04.940 Um, one sec.

02:58:04.980 Um, um, you wrote, uh, that you went on this date with a guy who did real estate.

02:58:19.340 He came to pick you up in a car, and you thought he would have had a better car.

02:58:24.080 Mm-hmm.

02:58:24.360 Show of hands from the other women panelists, have you ever had this experience where maybe

02:58:28.020 a guy claimed he had a certain career, talked a big game about his money, but then shows

02:58:32.820 up, and maybe he's not really aligning with his, uh, how he displayed himself online or

02:58:42.460 something like that.

02:58:43.120 Uh, anybody else?

02:58:46.240 No?

02:58:46.580 Mm-hmm.

02:58:47.040 Okay.

02:58:48.900 Uh, but that's how you felt, though.

02:58:51.240 Yeah.

02:58:51.780 And then, yeah, then that was, like, the question about, like, the worst date or, like, unique

02:58:56.020 date.

02:58:56.500 Yeah, and then he just ended up getting really drunk, and it was-

02:59:00.220 Was it an issue, though, that he showed up in, like, a worse car than-

02:59:02.980 It was just a surprise.

02:59:04.180 I was like, oh.

02:59:04.740 Yeah.

02:59:05.260 I feel like that's how men feel about makeup.

02:59:09.080 Like, you don't actually look like that.

02:59:12.980 You can look better.

02:59:13.740 I mean, makeup doesn't change much of your face, to be frank with you.

02:59:17.920 It does, or a picture versus in person.

02:59:20.440 You can take an amazing picture with makeup, and in person, it can look totally different.

02:59:24.320 You are correct that if you are taking a photo with makeup, the photo can look a little

02:59:31.940 bit different.

02:59:32.920 Well, you can even do, like, almost illusion-based makeup, where it's, like, changing your facial

02:59:36.760 structure.

02:59:37.500 But if you're seeing someone in 3D, does it really make that much of a difference, other

02:59:44.040 than changing the color of, like, certain things, right?

02:59:47.820 Like, makeup is just color-based.

02:59:50.120 No, because makeup also goes and it, like, redefines your face, so it, like, completely

02:59:53.340 changes how the structure of your face just looks.

02:59:56.260 Like, so a lot of people do get that deep into makeup.

02:59:59.060 As somebody, I think I have a place to speak on this.

03:00:02.300 As somebody who does very heavy makeup, it's very stylized.

03:00:05.380 Yes, yes, yes.

03:00:06.020 It's very stylized.

03:00:07.160 I do this makeup.

03:00:08.420 It's, like, Chinese style makeup.

03:00:09.840 Yeah, it reminds me of, like, anime eyes.

03:00:11.220 It's so pretty.

03:00:12.560 Yes, it's very intentional.

03:00:13.840 I will say that you're both right to a degree.

03:00:18.160 Makeup doesn't shift my entire face.

03:00:20.060 Right.

03:00:20.260 In certain lightings, you're going to see that shadow.

03:00:22.660 You're going to see it.

03:00:23.800 Like, you're going to see my...

03:00:24.700 Well, you're contouring.

03:00:26.340 You're doing a lot.

03:00:27.360 There is a lot going on.

03:00:28.460 But at the end of the day, while I would say in a picture, yes.

03:00:32.480 With certain lighting, yeah, I can hit that.

03:00:34.240 And I look like a totally different person.

03:00:35.460 But when people are looking at me, I still...

03:00:38.720 I look a little weird, for sure.

03:00:40.420 But I don't think that you would, like, not be able to recognize me if I took it off.

03:00:47.220 Well, I mean, we do a segment at the very end of the show where we have everyone take

03:00:50.700 off their makeup.

03:00:51.540 So if you want to participate in that...

03:00:53.500 What?

03:00:54.300 That sounds fire.

03:00:55.120 It's awesome.

03:00:55.740 I'll consider it.

03:00:57.280 We have makeup lives.

03:00:59.620 Okay, but...

03:01:00.480 That is...

03:01:01.400 I actually think, though, on that topic, I think in terms of the attraction,

03:01:05.460 difference that can be created through magic, I guess, makeup or making up that you're

03:01:12.460 richer than you actually are, I think makeup has a far more pronounced effect than a guy

03:01:19.960 who is making up things about his career or financial situation.

03:01:24.120 So, like, the difference that, like, makeup can make in terms of a man being attracted to

03:01:28.800 you or more attracted to you is way more than if a guy...

03:01:32.240 Look, by the way, a guy should not lie about that shit.

03:01:34.240 That's fucking lame.

03:01:35.460 But if he does...

03:01:36.760 Oh, I'm a fucking baller.

03:01:38.580 I'm rich.

03:01:40.660 Maybe that has some impact, but I don't think it's as much as the impact that makeup does.

03:01:47.600 Let's see.

03:01:48.300 And then I guess some of your other notes here.

03:01:51.880 Okay.

03:01:52.680 You don't believe in using dating apps.

03:01:54.380 You feel like it should be natural in fate to meet humans.

03:01:57.100 The universe will always put the right people in front of you.

03:02:01.400 I mean, I guess, at least related to dating apps, I partially agree with you in terms...

03:02:05.560 I think dating apps are bad for both men and women.

03:02:08.600 Although, perhaps for different reasons.

03:02:11.140 But I think it's only women who can say stuff like that.

03:02:14.080 Like, fate and universe will put the right person there for me.

03:02:17.860 Because I think women don't really initiate.

03:02:20.900 So for you women, it does feel like the universe put this man here.

03:02:26.200 While for men, we have to take a very proactive approach when it comes to meeting off of dating apps.

03:02:34.400 So, like, I think women can say the universe and fate.

03:02:37.640 But, like, if a man's like, you know what?

03:02:39.460 I'm just going to kick back and not do anything and be passive.

03:02:44.140 Universe and fate is not going to award you a girlfriend.

03:02:47.180 Men have to take action.

03:02:48.680 Men have to take initiative.

03:02:50.180 And so I think it is a different little perspective there.

03:02:52.000 I take initiative, too.

03:02:53.040 I take initiative, too.

03:02:54.320 I feel like similar.

03:02:54.940 Hold up.

03:02:55.400 Hold up.

03:02:56.100 So, look.

03:02:57.420 I acknowledge that, like, some women sometimes...

03:03:01.020 I'm not saying it's a universal.

03:03:02.520 Like, women never approach men.

03:03:04.400 However, I would argue that 99% of the time, when somebody's approaching somebody, the man's approaching the woman.

03:03:11.040 When a man's sliding into the DMs, or when somebody's sliding into the DMs, it's a man sliding into the DMs.

03:03:17.660 When it's a man making the first move...

03:03:21.000 Or, sorry.

03:03:21.380 Oh, my God.

03:03:21.820 I need to rephrase it.

03:03:23.020 If it's somebody making the first move, overwhelmingly, it's the man.

03:03:26.020 I've had many moments that I'm like, I see a guy, and I see that he sees me, and then he doesn't come up to me.

03:03:30.880 So I'm like, you know what?

03:03:31.320 I'm going to go up to him.

03:03:32.020 And then he's like, oh, I thought he wanted to talk to me.

03:03:34.940 And I was like, see, like, why didn't you?

03:03:36.900 Well, I mean, I would make it simple like this.

03:03:38.760 Of all the times...

03:03:40.480 How many times have you been approached by men?

03:03:42.520 Hundreds?

03:03:43.180 Yeah.

03:03:44.040 Thousands?

03:03:45.980 How many times have you approached men?

03:03:48.000 Hundreds.

03:03:49.040 Hundreds?

03:03:49.800 Fifty.

03:03:50.220 Fifty by and a half.

03:03:51.580 Bruh.

03:03:51.960 No, but I really do.

03:03:52.880 I feel like a lot of times, men, like, they tell me that I'm intimidating, or like, they...

03:03:57.320 I don't know.

03:03:57.680 They always say, like, oh, that they wanted to talk to me.

03:03:59.400 I don't know, you don't really seem that intimidating, no offense.

03:04:02.560 Should that be...

03:04:03.180 You do.

03:04:03.500 You're intimidating.

03:04:04.080 I think because I'm really tall.

03:04:04.740 I don't think that...

03:04:05.060 I think because I'm really tall.

03:04:06.280 I'm, like, I'm five and eight.

03:04:07.700 They'll climb you.

03:04:09.700 I don't know.

03:04:10.480 I think you look at, like, the average woman's experience versus the average man's experience.

03:04:14.640 I think, like, the average woman's, like, probably, by the time she's 30, has been approached hundreds of times.

03:04:21.120 If not that, then, like, at least dozens, right?

03:04:24.260 I think the average man, by the time he's 30, zero.

03:04:29.360 No.

03:04:30.280 Maybe one time, but zero.

03:04:32.120 So, I think, like, I don't know, for women, like, it feels like fate or the universe, but that's because men took the proactive steps to allow that sort of perception to even be possible.

03:04:50.540 So, I don't know.

03:04:51.160 I'm happy he did.

03:04:52.020 I'm happy he made my perception.

03:04:54.080 Um, okay.

03:04:56.760 Uh, anyways.

03:04:59.160 So, but I, my impression, I mean, the, we were expecting you to stay till, like, 11, 12.

03:05:04.900 It's, like, eight, eight o'clock, so.

03:05:08.100 There's a lot more to the show, so.

03:05:09.960 Is it going to be dating?

03:05:11.060 Is it going to be more on, like, race?

03:05:13.180 It's, I mean, it's going to be all over the place, you know?

03:05:15.880 Who knows?

03:05:17.960 Didn't you bring up the native, I don't remember.

03:05:20.120 No, someone said it on the thing.

03:05:21.860 Okay.

03:05:22.120 I was in the bathroom.

03:05:23.380 Well, we were talking about illegal immigration.

03:05:24.680 I was in the bathroom.

03:05:25.380 We were talking about illegal immigration, I guess.

03:05:27.840 Okay.

03:05:28.420 Uh, so you're staying, then.

03:05:29.500 I love it.

03:05:30.540 I'm not.

03:05:32.540 Goodbye.

03:05:33.140 Thank you.

03:05:33.600 Have a good night.

03:05:34.060 Okay, here, I'll have a recording.

03:05:34.540 Get home safe.

03:05:36.020 Good night.

03:05:36.880 Careful, so just take it for a sec.

03:05:39.240 Uh, here, I'll be over there.

03:05:43.980 Bruh, I want to move.

03:05:45.380 I, like, hate this.

03:05:46.520 Oh, I'm sorry.

03:05:47.800 Where are you going?

03:05:48.700 Right there.

03:05:49.680 Oh, okay.

03:05:50.580 Because I, like, low-key hate this.

03:05:52.660 It hurts your neck kind of, doesn't it?

03:05:53.980 Yeah.

03:05:54.240 And I, like, have to keep seeing if I'm on the front.

03:05:56.060 And now we get to sit together.

03:05:57.580 He's probably going to have you sit there again.

03:05:59.960 Okay.

03:06:00.260 Okay.

03:06:07.380 The first chair is special.

03:06:09.080 The first chair is special.

03:06:10.960 It's the best one.

03:06:11.940 Yeah.

03:06:13.220 I mean.

03:06:13.960 Felicity asked them to name.

03:06:17.080 Already.

03:06:18.220 Name Felicity one power from each side from World War II.

03:06:27.220 Ooh.

03:06:28.180 Right.

03:06:28.580 I don't even know that.

03:06:29.840 I don't even know.

03:06:30.440 I don't even know.

03:06:31.600 Same girl.

03:06:32.220 High school was a while ago, guys.

03:06:34.800 Yes, I school.

03:06:36.040 Well, you know it.

03:06:37.860 Oh.

03:06:38.060 Do you want me to say?

03:06:39.060 Yeah, you can say it.

03:06:40.740 Okay.

03:06:43.080 Actually, does anyone else?

03:06:44.220 Which war did he say again?

03:06:45.420 No.

03:06:45.900 A power from each side.

03:06:47.480 But which one?

03:06:48.440 World War II.

03:06:49.140 Oh, World War II.

03:06:49.960 Okay.

03:06:50.880 Just name one.

03:06:52.500 Soviet Union.

03:06:53.600 Axis versus Alex.

03:06:54.740 Well, you stole my.

03:06:55.500 Yeah, Axis.

03:06:56.200 Wait, are we talking about one or two?

03:06:58.540 One from each side.

03:06:59.480 He said two.

03:07:00.900 Oh, okay.

03:07:01.780 Yeah.

03:07:02.360 So, I guess name.

03:07:03.800 Soviet Union.

03:07:05.020 Okay.

03:07:07.280 The United States.

03:07:09.200 Okay.

03:07:09.680 Germany.

03:07:09.980 I don't know if that's the power was going there.

03:07:11.360 I thought we were naming one from each thing.

03:07:12.840 Oh, we're just going.

03:07:14.220 Girl, I don't know.

03:07:15.620 What did we already say?

03:07:16.860 United States, Germany, and Russia.

03:07:18.980 I don't know.

03:07:19.340 Russia.

03:07:20.180 Oh, we already said that's the Soviet Union.

03:07:22.500 China.

03:07:23.540 Nope.

03:07:24.220 Girl, I don't know.

03:07:25.540 David.

03:07:26.260 That's the biggest one.

03:07:27.440 Like, shit.

03:07:28.960 Japan.

03:07:29.600 Didn't they do Pearl Harbor?

03:07:30.940 Yes.

03:07:31.360 Yes.

03:07:32.220 R.I.P.

03:07:33.140 It happened.

03:07:33.680 Oh.

03:07:34.380 That did happen.

03:07:35.240 I'm honest.

03:07:35.740 Still can't talk about it.

03:07:36.540 Wait, guys.

03:07:37.560 Okay.

03:07:38.400 So, like, the mics, the people, like, they can't tell the difference between, like, who's talking.

03:07:43.680 So, if we're all, like, talking or, like, saying, like, little side things, they can't differentiate where it's coming from.

03:07:49.720 I'm back.

03:07:51.180 Was the UK one?

03:07:53.460 Oh, sorry.

03:07:55.380 Okay.

03:07:56.460 Sorry.

03:07:56.920 We have some chats we're going to get through.

03:07:58.400 A message from the government of Canada.

03:08:01.820 Pasty George donated $200.

03:08:04.380 Thank you.

03:08:05.220 Pasty.

03:08:05.960 Chariot is right.

03:08:07.640 Why are feministic women vilifying men while also trying to force them to meet their expected standards, which includes traditional male roles and duties like chivalry?

03:08:19.280 Um, okay.

03:08:20.160 No comment?

03:08:27.800 No comment?

03:08:29.120 Okay.

03:08:29.780 Thank you, Pasty.

03:08:30.520 Jack Paul, thank you for the soup chat.

03:08:32.100 Okay.

03:08:33.300 Oh.

03:08:33.540 So, uh, yo, Tim, I don't want to, like, ah, he's sending a 500, but he didn't do three.

03:08:41.220 It's got to be through Streamlabs.

03:08:45.080 Here's the compromise, Tim.

03:08:46.740 Hey, six, seven.

03:08:48.020 Tim, here's the compromise we're going to make.

03:08:49.820 Um, you can mute her microphone in one hour.

03:08:56.480 Bad.

03:08:57.100 Um, you need to send, uh, just, I don't want to, send a, send a read via Streamlabs, streamlabs.com slash whatever.

03:09:08.360 I'm not going to fully screw you on it, but it does have to be done through Streamlabs.

03:09:13.540 We can't do it through YouTube.

03:09:16.460 Um, so.

03:09:19.820 Um, we'll do it later.

03:09:22.920 If you want, send in a 10, and you will, or, you know what, here.

03:09:26.900 You can send in a 10 at the other time you want it.

03:09:31.000 Or, uh, huh, how do I do this?

03:09:36.940 Actually, you got it, because YouTube, oh, my God.

03:09:40.800 Um, send in the 100 on Streamlabs, and we'll do it another time.

03:09:44.420 And you, you get to pick the time, okay?

03:09:46.720 Uh, I'm not trying to screw you, but thank you for the soup chat.

03:09:49.080 Why are they all trying to mute me?

03:09:50.740 Y'all are kind of obsessed.

03:09:51.340 Spicy, oh, Essie, can I have you read these next ones?

03:09:53.760 Yeah, Chair One, I wish you were as right about what you say as you are confident.

03:09:57.360 By the way, your voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

03:10:00.880 CBH, oh, sorry, it's eight.

03:10:02.200 Chair Eight is based and has a brain.

03:10:05.180 Thank you, Spicy.

03:10:05.980 So, so, first of all-

03:10:07.560 Hey, Chair One, since-

03:10:08.660 Hold on, you can do your response, go ahead.

03:10:10.560 So, first of all, my name is Selena, not Chair One, okay?

03:10:14.720 Second of all-

03:10:15.400 Rude, how dare you call her Chair One?

03:10:16.980 Yeah, that's kind of weird.

03:10:18.020 That's fucked up.

03:10:18.620 Like, I actually, I have a name.

03:10:20.000 Call her Selena from now on.

03:10:21.640 Um, and since you're so obsessed, you can go to my TikTok, at SelenaTheYapper, on TikTok

03:10:29.040 and Instagram, and leave your lovely comments there.

03:10:32.520 Okay, plug.

03:10:33.020 Essie, go ahead.

03:10:34.000 Okay, plug.

03:10:34.360 Hey, Chair One, since you're Muslim, did you know Muslims have had slaves longer than what

03:10:38.760 America has been around?

03:10:40.060 Not to mention, way more brutal to their slaves.

03:10:42.420 Do you feel guilty?

03:10:43.180 So, PJG, um, if you didn't, if you didn't understand that, America has not existed as long as slavery

03:10:53.660 has been around, so, yes, that makes sense, because America did not exist thousands of

03:11:00.260 years ago.

03:11:01.620 Is that?

03:11:02.720 Wait, is that?

03:11:03.840 You are not prepared.

03:11:07.400 It's like a World of Warcraft TV scene.

03:11:09.880 Do I feel, also, do I feel guilty?

03:11:13.180 Yeah, I think about it a lot, and I try to reconcile how slavery was permitted within religion.

03:11:22.580 Even though that religion, when it came down, it fought to eradicate and end slavery, I still

03:11:27.940 have a hard time with reconciling that it was even allowed to exist.

03:11:33.060 So, yes, I do deal with guilt.

03:11:34.960 It's called being a caring human.

03:11:38.500 While I was away, Selena, I heard you say something that I took objection to, and you said that

03:11:53.380 you think men suck.

03:11:56.140 Okay, yeah.

03:11:57.340 I'm actually a little disappointed that none of the women decided, like, I think, for example,

03:12:02.180 I would never think to say women suck.

03:12:04.460 I think that's a misogynistic, bad thing to say.

03:12:07.480 Disavow it.

03:12:08.140 Disagree with it.

03:12:10.380 Do you believe that?

03:12:12.240 That men suck?

03:12:13.200 Yeah.

03:12:13.880 Yeah, I think there are a lot of men that suck.

03:12:17.280 But that doesn't mean all men suck.

03:12:19.600 Did I say all?

03:12:21.200 What did she say?

03:12:22.620 I said men suck.

03:12:24.580 Which would imply all men.

03:12:27.540 Okay.

03:12:28.320 Well, then I recant that.

03:12:29.580 I say majority of men suck.

03:12:32.460 A majority of men suck.

03:12:34.520 Really?

03:12:34.600 I'm still prepared to object to even your reframing.

03:12:39.080 Okay, well, majority.

03:12:40.840 Well, actually, before we get into that, who agrees with her?

03:12:44.820 You agree?

03:12:45.900 I would say a majority.

03:12:46.600 Some of them.

03:12:48.020 But she's saying all men or majority of men suck.

03:12:51.460 Into the mic.

03:12:52.280 Into the mic.

03:12:53.540 Agree?

03:12:53.940 I love some of them, and I don't like some of them.

03:12:56.040 Sure, there's bad men.

03:12:57.200 There's good men.

03:12:57.860 But when we're talking about the majority, we're talking, when you say majority, what percent?

03:13:07.000 I'd say, if I'm being generous, 60 to 70%.

03:13:14.580 Well, let's not be generous.

03:13:16.040 Let's be realistic from your perspective.

03:13:19.400 Okay, we'll say 65.

03:13:22.520 65 is your, like, realistic estimate of the amount of men that suck.

03:13:28.300 65%.

03:13:28.780 Okay.

03:13:30.740 I see.

03:13:32.320 I probably agree with 65%.

03:13:33.900 65% of men suck.

03:13:35.760 Yeah.

03:13:36.880 Suck.

03:13:37.840 Yeah.

03:13:38.900 What is suck?

03:13:39.440 Like, how about evil?

03:13:42.020 Oh, that's different than suck.

03:13:43.380 Yeah.

03:13:43.560 It is different than suck.

03:13:44.760 What about our trash?

03:13:46.660 Let's do that one.

03:13:49.240 I would say 65.

03:13:51.580 Still 65?

03:13:52.380 What about you?

03:13:53.040 Because I think suck and trash are close.

03:13:54.100 What do you mean by, like, our trash?

03:13:54.900 How would you define our trash?

03:13:57.160 Whatever your sense of what trash.

03:14:00.260 I think trash is worse than suck.

03:14:02.500 Right.

03:14:03.060 Okay.

03:14:03.280 So it's a bit worse of a categorization than suck.

03:14:08.420 Still 65?

03:14:10.560 Like, our absolute trash.

03:14:12.620 Maybe, like, 50.

03:14:13.960 50.

03:14:14.640 Okay.

03:14:15.060 Wow.

03:14:15.540 What do you think?

03:14:16.280 50.

03:14:16.700 50.

03:14:17.140 Okay.

03:14:18.300 I have a question.

03:14:19.180 Do you guys think...

03:14:20.580 Are you against sexism?

03:14:24.260 Yeah.

03:14:25.120 Is sexism wrong?

03:14:28.260 Yeah.

03:14:28.960 Okay.

03:14:29.440 Are you against sexism?

03:14:30.820 I'm against sexism, and I think it's wrong.

03:14:32.320 And is it wrong?

03:14:34.160 What about you?

03:14:35.300 Against sexism?

03:14:36.120 Is it wrong?

03:14:41.140 That's how I feel right now.

03:14:43.060 You got this.

03:14:44.200 You got this.

03:14:45.680 Is sexism wrong?

03:14:47.520 Yeah.

03:14:48.840 Okay.

03:14:51.020 If I were to say, and I don't believe this, but if...

03:14:55.360 How about this?

03:14:55.860 If a man were to say, majority of women suck, women suck, women are trash,

03:15:02.320 would you object to that categorization?

03:15:06.080 Yes.

03:15:07.620 Yeah.

03:15:08.060 I'd ask him why he feels that way.

03:15:09.700 So, great.

03:15:10.700 Now, and...

03:15:11.540 But do you believe you guys are being sexist towards men?

03:15:14.180 No.

03:15:14.800 Because I think that...

03:15:16.040 How?

03:15:16.540 Sexism is based on the historic oppression of a group of people,

03:15:21.920 and since men have historically not been oppressed,

03:15:24.740 I don't think you can be sexist towards them.

03:15:27.360 You don't think you can be sexist towards men?

03:15:30.380 No.

03:15:31.400 As a woman, no.

03:15:32.060 How do you define sexism?

03:15:36.380 Hatred towards...

03:15:37.540 Or just being unfair towards a gender,

03:15:41.620 and they've also been historically oppressed.

03:15:46.300 Okay.

03:15:47.640 So you're basically...

03:15:48.960 Add that.

03:15:51.900 Sexism equals prejudice plus power?

03:15:55.480 Yeah.

03:15:56.780 Okay.

03:15:57.100 So, for example...

03:15:59.820 Let me give you a scenario.

03:16:01.940 A woman murders a man who's a stranger.

03:16:06.740 It's not in self-defense.

03:16:08.020 And she does so because he's a man.

03:16:10.500 Is that a sexist act?

03:16:14.600 I just think that's like a crazy hypothetical.

03:16:18.840 Has that ever happened?

03:16:20.020 Do you think men do that to women?

03:16:22.400 I don't think so.

03:16:23.740 I don't think anyone's murdering anyone because of their gender.

03:16:26.140 Hasn't...

03:16:26.980 Well...

03:16:27.440 What?

03:16:28.260 Well, I mean, some feminists would disagree, I guess, but...

03:16:30.540 Point, though.

03:16:32.640 Regardless of...

03:16:34.180 Oh, well, I don't know.

03:16:35.380 I don't know.

03:16:35.800 Well, do you think people get, like, assassinated for their political beliefs?

03:16:39.220 Or, like, their identity?

03:16:41.000 Yeah.

03:16:41.520 Like, for example, if I reframe this to a racial lens,

03:16:47.040 do you think in the history, like, has a white person ever killed a black person

03:16:51.060 for, like, racially motivated reasons?

03:16:52.940 Yes.

03:16:53.620 And perhaps...

03:16:54.460 Okay, yeah.

03:16:54.740 There could be sexist-motivated reasons to kill someone.

03:16:59.020 So, in this hypothetical, though, and I grant that it's probably rare,

03:17:03.420 where a woman murders a man because he's a man,

03:17:05.900 it's not self-defense or anything like that, just kills him.

03:17:09.580 She hates men, and she wanted to kill a man.

03:17:13.200 Yeah, okay, yeah.

03:17:13.780 Is that sexism?

03:17:15.480 I would just say that's, like, crazy.

03:17:17.400 I don't, like...

03:17:17.800 Sure, it would be really crazy.

03:17:19.300 Sure, okay, yeah, sure.

03:17:20.260 You could call it sexism.

03:17:21.080 Is it sexism?

03:17:21.700 Yeah, maybe it's not, like, super black and white.

03:17:23.300 Okay, but I'm confused, but she's...

03:17:25.180 I mean, under your definition of sexism,

03:17:28.700 wouldn't she be precluded of having committed the sexist act?

03:17:32.780 It's just, like, not that black and white like that, I don't think.

03:17:38.920 Personally, I think being discriminatory is being discriminatory.

03:17:42.620 It's, you know, straight across the board for me.

03:17:44.860 I mean, be it racism, sexism, et cetera.

03:17:47.600 That's just...

03:17:48.040 It's pretty black and white to me.

03:17:49.340 I think there's a difference between discriminating against women when they have been historically

03:17:53.660 oppressed versus discriminating against man, a man who hasn't been.

03:17:57.380 Could we argue that sexism could exist without the historical context?

03:18:01.620 Like, it could exist.

03:18:02.840 You could still discriminate somebody based on their sex without historical context.

03:18:07.040 You could just judge them on their sex.

03:18:09.640 Maybe you just think that your sex is better because you're you and they're them.

03:18:12.820 Oh, I have a good question to test this.

03:18:19.020 Let's see.

03:18:21.500 Do you realize...

03:18:23.020 Would you acknowledge that a black person could hold racist sentiments towards Asian people?

03:18:32.140 Yes.

03:18:32.980 Because black people in America have not...

03:18:35.560 In terms of black oppression in America,

03:18:38.020 I don't think you can make the argument that, like, Asian people oppressed black people.

03:18:48.460 I just feel like it's just a different situation.

03:18:51.540 Well, can Asian people be racist towards black people?

03:18:54.660 Yes.

03:18:55.300 Can black people be racist towards Asian people?

03:18:57.640 Yes.

03:18:59.060 Oh, okay.

03:18:59.580 Well, that's different, though, because that's different than, like, men and women.

03:19:06.200 And it's, like, man, there's men and women.

03:19:09.460 And then, like, men have oppressed women.

03:19:11.540 And it's just a different hypothetical than, like, if you're talking about black and Asian people.

03:19:15.900 Because it's not like there's a specific oppressor in that duo.

03:19:20.960 Right.

03:19:21.440 But I'm just...

03:19:21.980 I guess I'm trying to see...

03:19:23.420 In this instance, would you argue that both of these races have been historically oppressed?

03:19:29.480 Yes.

03:19:29.760 Both of them have been historically oppressed.

03:19:31.420 Okay.

03:19:31.760 And so, absent one of these races being the perpetrator of said historical oppression,

03:19:39.340 then how would you come to...

03:19:41.820 Like, how would you arrive at a determination that somebody's been racist if it...

03:19:46.600 Your definition was...

03:19:48.600 Well, perhaps it...

03:19:52.820 Hmm.

03:19:57.640 Trying to think here.

03:19:58.620 So, again, just so I'm clear, your definition is, in order for somebody to be racist towards somebody else,

03:20:05.600 or for somebody to experience racism, they have to be part of a minority group and experience prejudice.

03:20:19.780 Yeah.

03:20:20.260 Okay, so I guess, technically, then, minorities can be racist.

03:20:25.980 Under this definition, minorities can be racist to other minorities,

03:20:29.300 because regardless of which direction the racism is going, they're both part of a...

03:20:37.120 Although the person doing the racism is not an oppressor, which confuses me.

03:20:43.780 How do you reconcile racism being able to exist between two oppressed racial groups?

03:20:54.500 So, I'm curious.

03:20:56.000 With that logic of sexism, would that mean that you also don't think that you can be racist towards a white person?

03:21:03.320 Yeah, I don't think you can be racist towards a white person.

03:21:05.300 Unless it's, like, okay, there are, like, instances, like, Irish people were really affected by, like,

03:21:13.260 there was a lot of hatred towards Irish people, and that led to, like, the potato famine and everything.

03:21:19.500 Right, right.

03:21:19.940 But if you, like, look at me, and you look like another, like, reddish-haired girl,

03:21:24.160 like, you wouldn't be able to really tell, like, which one of us is more Irish,

03:21:27.020 and maybe you're just going to judge us based off the color of our skin.

03:21:30.100 I still feel like that would be racist, even without the historical context of slavery.

03:21:35.740 I just think it's, like, you could call it racism.

03:21:37.740 It's just, it's super, super, like, it's super different if there's historical oppression.

03:21:42.780 I still think that, yeah, I still think it's harmful discrimination at the end of the day,

03:21:46.460 and then even when you're projecting this onto men, it's also creating this, like, weird fear around men and a prejudice.

03:21:53.760 And it is, you know, I think it's harmful to society, personally.

03:21:58.140 What exactly?

03:21:58.940 The prejudice and the discrimination of men, and, you know, basically saying all men are bad because of what few men do.

03:22:06.760 I don't think all men are bad.

03:22:08.200 Why do you think 65% of the men are bad?

03:22:10.240 Wait, really quick.

03:22:11.160 I think most men suck.

03:22:12.800 I don't know if my producers hid this, but normally I keep these up so I can shout them out.

03:22:18.080 Kat, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, and Ogle, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.

03:22:22.980 Well, I guess the reason I bring this up is you, I guess if you're racist towards white people or you're sexist towards men, from your purview,

03:22:34.740 assuming the racist thing being done is equivalent in the sense that it's the same thing.

03:22:40.760 So, for example, a white person walks up to a black person and punches them in the face because they're black versus a white person, and let's say they have comparable strength or whatever.

03:22:50.060 A black person walks up to a white person and punches them in the face, and they both suffer the same injury, and the pain is equivalent or whatever.

03:22:59.080 Would you agree that those are both racist acts?

03:23:07.620 Like, sure, you could say they're racist.

03:23:09.260 They're just super, super different.

03:23:11.680 How are they different, though?

03:23:13.360 Because black people have been oppressed over history.

03:23:16.240 I suppose I understand, but in terms of the harm done, can you make a case for why one is worse than the other?

03:23:24.640 Yeah, a white man punching a black man is, like...

03:23:29.240 Because they're black.

03:23:30.200 Because they're black is feeding into a massive racist agenda.

03:23:36.720 It's also not that.

03:23:37.940 It's also the systemic repercussions that come from it, right?

03:23:41.360 So if a white man is punching a black man, white men tend to have a lot more privilege judicially in the courts when it comes to...

03:23:49.120 I don't think this is the case at all.

03:23:49.760 It definitely is the case.

03:23:53.700 Versus when black men are being tried, they tend to face much higher sentencing, much longer jail time, and much higher fines.

03:24:06.680 So, yes, while the action may be the same, the repercussions that come for it in terms of judicial repercussions, in terms of arrests, etc., are much higher.

03:24:19.760 Well, perhaps this might be the case, and perhaps you might be able to point to some evidence of bias or discrimination in the court system.

03:24:27.640 But again, my point relates to the harm inflicted on the individual.

03:24:32.720 So that's a secondary thing.

03:24:34.220 If you're the perpetrator of a crime, perhaps you do encounter biases in the court system.

03:24:40.400 Sure, I'll go ahead and grant it.

03:24:41.800 But I'm pointing to something different, which is the racist component of that.

03:24:47.920 So that's like secondary downstream effects of somebody's violence.

03:24:53.920 I mean, if we're talking about race here and racism, sure.

03:24:57.960 If by definition, textbook definition, people can be racist to white people.

03:25:01.860 Do I think it has the same systematic implications and harm?

03:25:04.820 Absolutely not.

03:25:06.320 Well, I mean, I don't see how you can get around from assuming two people, a black person and a white person, have the same level of force.

03:25:13.500 Yeah, I just explained judicial repercussions.

03:25:16.440 Right.

03:25:16.740 But you're saying harm.

03:25:18.420 So when I'm thinking of harm, I'm thinking of the victim.

03:25:20.860 And in this case, if you have two men, one white, one black, who are equivalent strength, and they throw the same punch,

03:25:26.980 the actual physical harm done to the person, I would say, is equal.

03:25:31.940 And then if it was racially motivated, the racial component of it is equivalent.

03:25:39.700 It's wrong for both.

03:25:42.320 Yes, sure, of course I can agree that it's wrong for both.

03:25:46.300 But I'm saying the implications are much higher when it is a person of color that has been systematically oppressed.

03:25:53.800 And then on top of that, if we were going to talk about the victim, one victim may seek justice from the person that harmed them, while another may not.

03:26:01.460 I mean, look, I actually, I'm not sure I fully even buy into your position on that, though.

03:26:07.040 I think I would say.

03:26:07.860 So you don't think that police have bias towards people of color?

03:26:12.600 I think it can exist.

03:26:14.040 However, I would actually point to, for example, I think there's a lot of hand-waving, actually, by the media,

03:26:21.660 and also, actually, in terms of the social pressure that's enacted upon the judicial or the criminal court system.

03:26:29.080 Only in some cases, only if it's televised.

03:26:31.440 Hold on.

03:26:31.960 I think it actually, first I'll start with the media.

03:26:34.860 I actually think that the media absolutely has a field day when the perpetrator is white and the victim is black.

03:26:43.420 However, you reverse the roles, I see oftentimes there's a lot of hand-waving by the media.

03:26:48.800 And we can actually point to this.

03:26:50.820 There's been many police killings of white men that are actually worse than George Floyd's killing.

03:26:57.120 And they've been completely hand-waved away.

03:26:59.320 There's one absolutely appalling video where I've seen two, I saw two, actually, around that time period,

03:27:08.460 where one guy was made to crawl, a white man was made to crawl to the police, and they killed him with a firearm.

03:27:16.700 I can't recall the name of the case, but people in the chat might actually be able to, if anybody in the chat knows the one,

03:27:22.540 Tony Timpa, I think it is.

03:27:23.860 And then there was another one where it wasn't in the hallway, but the white man was killed by a police officer.

03:27:29.980 When white men are killed by police officers, tons of media hand-waving don't really care.

03:27:36.260 There's not mass protests and riots.

03:27:39.560 It's absolutely the case.

03:27:41.040 And then also, though—

03:27:41.740 When white people are killed in the media, it is always sensationalized, especially missing men, missing white men,

03:27:47.540 or missing white women, or missing white children, versus black men and women who are missing—

03:27:51.460 Remember the high school track meet where some 18-year-old white boy, he was stabbed to death by a black male high school student.

03:28:04.240 Okay.

03:28:04.600 Stabbed to death at a track meet.

03:28:06.900 Right.

03:28:07.500 And there was a lot of hand-waving in the media.

03:28:10.560 No, that was also very popularized.

03:28:12.240 They raised—they raised, like, millions of dollars or something for a GoFundMe for—

03:28:17.840 Okay.

03:28:17.860 There was also a white woman who called a black child—

03:28:21.700 Don't say the word.

03:28:22.600 I know what you're talking about.

03:28:23.340 I don't say the word.

03:28:24.840 Just don't say the word.

03:28:24.900 I would never do that.

03:28:26.080 I know what you're talking about.

03:28:26.980 But—

03:28:27.300 That's wrong, by the way, that she was behaving that way.

03:28:29.480 Yeah, and she also got $1 million in a GoFundMe as well.

03:28:32.360 You know, like, we can—

03:28:33.180 Sure.

03:28:33.500 We can give the—we can cite all these examples, but if we're looking at it statistically speaking,

03:28:40.800 black men are killed at a higher rate by the police for doing way, way less than a white man would be doing.

03:28:51.520 Yeah, I mean, I'd be probably, at least per capita, you—I would actually have to—

03:28:56.080 Hmm, I'd have to look at the per capita stats, but—

03:28:58.920 I mean, if we're talking about the police force, the police force was literally created as a way to police slaves and give them back to their owners.

03:29:06.840 That's ridiculous.

03:29:07.020 No, that's accurate.

03:29:08.320 That's fake news.

03:29:08.860 It was—no, it's not fake news.

03:29:10.240 It was created—

03:29:10.820 You don't think—you think—hold on.

03:29:12.120 You think police enforcement, law enforcement is—

03:29:15.120 So—

03:29:16.040 Isn't, like, thousands of years old?

03:29:18.760 No, I'm talking about specifically in the United States.

03:29:21.180 The reason it became—the reason it was created and become so popularized was because of property, specifically slaves running away.

03:29:30.380 That is how our modern-day police force started.

03:29:33.360 It's not fake news.

03:29:34.220 Fake news.

03:29:34.320 It's not fake news.

03:29:35.060 Completely fake news.

03:29:35.840 I go to university and I study this.

03:29:38.340 Where do you get your news from?

03:29:40.460 Hold on.

03:29:41.020 You—where do you study it in your, like, sociology?

03:29:43.660 No.

03:29:43.980 I study foreign policy at Georgetown University.

03:29:46.360 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you've gotten some sort of, like, ridiculous propaganda presented to you.

03:29:52.240 No, there's no propaganda.

03:29:53.520 So just to be clear—

03:29:54.180 It's accurate research studies and papers that I read.

03:29:57.060 So just to be clear, there was no law enforcement prior to slavery in the United States.

03:30:04.280 Oh, my God.

03:30:05.400 You think law enforcement—

03:30:07.500 I'm saying our modern-day police force was started.

03:30:10.800 That's ridiculous.

03:30:11.500 That's not ridiculous.

03:30:12.280 Search it up.

03:30:13.060 You'll find it.

03:30:13.920 Yeah, I'm sure there's a bunch of, like, woke, liberal bullshit, like, revisionist history or whatever.

03:30:20.600 Nope.

03:30:20.840 Here, answer this.

03:30:22.320 Are there other things that law enforcement can concern itself besides slave-related matters?

03:30:31.340 It was created in order to protect property, okay?

03:30:37.320 At the time—

03:30:38.520 What?

03:30:39.760 This is a complete revisionist—

03:30:41.920 Okay, so if you want to—if you just want to brush away my point and laugh at it without citing accurate facts, then, okay.

03:30:48.120 I can demonstrate it just simply logically.

03:30:50.080 I don't need you to demonstrate it logically.

03:30:52.720 I can demonstrate it logically.

03:30:54.140 I do my research.

03:30:55.000 I know what I read.

03:30:55.920 Okay, so do you think there were any societies that existed where—can crime exist absent slavery?

03:31:05.420 Sure.

03:31:06.820 Okay.

03:31:07.580 So if crime—

03:31:07.900 I'm telling you the modern-day police force that we know now—

03:31:13.720 Okay, you know what?

03:31:15.120 You can laugh.

03:31:15.680 Go ahead and laugh.

03:31:16.800 To say that law enforcement in this country existed strictly due to slavery—

03:31:23.800 I never said it strictly, but I said that the police force that we currently have at its grandiosity,

03:31:32.220 we have so many of those officers because slaves were running away and they needed enforcement to ensure that the slaves could remain in their owner's possession.

03:31:48.180 There's probably no dispute that, yes, when slavery was legal, yes, law enforcement had a hand in, like, slave-related, like—

03:31:57.180 And that is when it became—that is when the—

03:31:59.500 But this idea that, like, law enforcement wasn't, like, a base necessity for society and civilization, that's—you seem to be, like, ignoring the general idea that crime is a thing and we're going to have law enforcement officers combat crime and investigate crime.

03:32:17.160 Yeah, I understand that.

03:32:18.240 And I'm not ignoring that.

03:32:19.200 I'm saying it became as rampant and as large and what we know it today to be the modern police force due to slavery.

03:32:31.720 It's okay.

03:32:32.780 We're off topic here.

03:32:33.860 You can't do it to—

03:32:34.940 I think this is what I was referring to by the argument earlier of, like, we can't just agree when it's necessary.

03:32:41.560 I feel like there are plenty of points where Brian has made, and it's, like, objectively, just agree with him.

03:32:46.220 Just agree with him.

03:32:47.260 And then go from there.

03:32:49.120 W.

03:32:49.580 And then go from there.

03:32:51.260 Sorry.

03:32:51.640 I don't agree.

03:32:52.660 So, look, let's—

03:32:53.560 I'm not going to pretend to agree just to, like, appease someone.

03:32:56.080 We don't need to—we don't need to linger on it longer.

03:32:58.740 But it's not all the arguments.

03:32:59.120 But my question—we're going back to this whole—look, you said that men are trash.

03:33:04.280 You agree.

03:33:04.980 You think men suck.

03:33:05.900 You think men suck.

03:33:06.640 You think men are trash.

03:33:07.920 You guys are against sexism.

03:33:09.340 How do you reconcile thinking it's, like, that counterstatement if it were to be said about women?

03:33:15.920 How can you say that that's wrong to say but then not say that it's wrong to say that same thing about men?

03:33:22.860 Okay.

03:33:23.400 I wouldn't say that men sucked if I didn't experience that in the past.

03:33:27.440 Like, if men didn't suck, I wouldn't say that.

03:33:29.300 Okay.

03:33:29.620 Perfect.

03:33:29.960 So, it's a very common phenomenon.

03:33:35.180 And I think because there isn't pushback in society when this is directed towards men, essentially, if we take your position to its logical conclusion, somebody who is, like, severely racist can say,

03:33:52.880 because I had bad experience with this group, racial group, I can be racist.

03:34:00.840 What you're telling me now is you've had bad experiences with men.

03:34:04.240 I'm sorry that's happened to you.

03:34:06.000 That's terrible.

03:34:06.920 Maybe they were really bad, right?

03:34:09.640 That doesn't give you, or a racist, for example, justification to map that on to an entire race or, in this case, to an entire gender.

03:34:19.700 Okay, so, in my life, if we did, like, a sample study and, like, we used, like, my life as a sample, and I could say 65% of the men that I've interacted with generally suck, then, and that's, like, a pretty, like, I mean, I guess, like, it wouldn't be the most accurate sample in the world because I have, like, lived in one place my entire life.

03:34:40.920 It's not like I've, like, been all over the world.

03:34:42.860 Sure.

03:34:43.020 So, but, I don't know, I feel like it makes sense to apply that to the rest of your life, or to the rest of the population.

03:34:50.100 You're going to have to be consistent, though.

03:34:52.020 So, you're going to have to grant, then, if a white person can tell you, you know, I've had 65% of this racial group, I've had bad experience with them.

03:35:04.040 Based on your metric, you're going to have to say your racism is fine.

03:35:10.740 Where you and me differ is, I would say, that's wrong.

03:35:15.620 Yeah, I don't think it's correct to, like, be a white person and say I've had, like, 65% horrible experience with this discriminated race and then be racist.

03:35:24.040 Why is it okay for women, then, to do it?

03:35:27.320 To do what?

03:35:28.400 To have, hold hateful, to hold sexist.

03:35:35.140 I don't hold hate in my heart, though.

03:35:36.940 I don't let that become hateful.

03:35:39.520 I don't have any place in my heart for hate.

03:35:40.780 Well, you, okay, your position, 65% of men are awful, and you seem to say, like, okay.

03:35:47.220 And what else would I base my, you asked me to say what percent of men do I think suck?

03:35:51.920 What would, what evidence would I use if not, like, my own past experiences?

03:35:58.700 Like, where would you draw, like, what percent of men do you think suck?

03:36:02.000 And where are you getting that?

03:36:03.020 And why are you thinking that?

03:36:04.840 Well, I mean, ultimately, I think my point here is that I think, obviously, you can't undo the bad interactions you've had in your past and in your present.

03:36:16.380 But when you start mapping that on, and then you start having just generalized negative resentment or negative attitudes towards a group of people based off of your previous experiences with some people who belong to said group, I don't see how you can get around not labeling that as sexism or, as I described, as racism.

03:36:44.080 I mean, I don't think I'm sexist.

03:36:46.380 Well, I mean, okay, if I said that the majority of women are trash, is that a sexist statement?

03:36:54.220 Like, if you've had that experience, then it would make sense for you to think that.

03:36:59.040 But would it be sexist?

03:37:01.680 Like, sure, I feel like we're debating, like, the language of it.

03:37:05.740 I don't, I, I don't think so.

03:37:08.420 Okay.

03:37:10.100 I don't know, do you think I'm crazy for thinking that, like, 65% of men suck if I've had that experience?

03:37:16.380 Um, I mean, I think.

03:37:19.420 Where do you want me to get, like, where do you want me to draw, like, percentage from if it's not my, my own experiences?

03:37:24.760 There doesn't really need to be a percentage then.

03:37:27.440 Well, yeah, so am I supposed to just not answer the question then?

03:37:29.560 I'm just answering especially.

03:37:29.660 Are 65% of, uh, the men in your family, father, brother, cousins, are they trash?

03:37:37.360 Do they suck?

03:37:38.220 I only have really one man in my family, or maybe two.

03:37:40.340 I have my uncle and my grandpa are the only, like, men in my family, and they're both great.

03:37:44.340 But they're, they're, like, two people within, like, the hundreds of men that I've met.

03:37:48.580 Sure.

03:37:49.480 I guess, uh, you have, it may be the case that perhaps you have disproportionately had bad interactions with men.

03:38:00.060 Uh, I, I, look, I don't know you.

03:38:03.440 65% seems excessively high.

03:38:05.980 Maybe it's hyperbole.

03:38:06.860 But, I mean, think of all the men that you walk past when you're walking to class, and those are completely uneventful.

03:38:15.840 Like, are you telling me 65% of the men that walk past you, like, jeer or catcall you or say something inappropriate?

03:38:25.360 My, my guess is you probably, when you were walking to class at UCSB, you pass by hundreds of men every day, and they completely ignore you, and no bad things happen whatsoever.

03:38:35.520 Yeah, but those aren't men I've met.

03:38:37.560 So, how would I say if they suck or not?

03:38:39.800 I have no place to say that if I've never met them.

03:38:42.580 Uh, right.

03:38:43.380 But that would have to, you would have to encapsulate that to some degree, uh, as it relates to your, perhaps not as extensive experience with a wide range of men who have not harmed you in any way.

03:38:57.240 Wait, so what's your question?

03:38:58.800 Or what are you, what's your statement that you're saying right now?

03:39:01.860 Uh, well, I mean, look, you guys are saying that a really rude thing.

03:39:05.520 Really large proportion of men and you're mapping on like of the men you've met, might it be the case that you 65% of the men you've had like longer interactions with those men sucked.

03:39:20.580 But then when you do this thing where you map, map that onto 65% of men, you didn't say 65% of men you met, you said 65% of men bad, suck, trash, whatever.

03:39:36.340 It would be like, okay, maybe like say I, uh, uh, you know, of the, uh, 100 Asian people that I encountered 50 per 55% of them were, I had a bad experience with them.

03:39:55.380 I don't think I can map on that experience to all Asian people.

03:40:01.000 I think that'd be, I think that'd be racist.

03:40:03.300 Yeah, I agree.

03:40:05.360 Well, then you'd have to say that your position is sexist.

03:40:09.640 If you want to call me sexist, you could call me sexist.

03:40:11.660 I don't think I'm sexist.

03:40:12.860 How about you?

03:40:14.680 It's about the stance you're taking.

03:40:16.700 Yeah.

03:40:16.960 Okay.

03:40:17.140 I'll say also aspects, maybe instead of like, they suck, like aspects of them suck.

03:40:21.460 I would say like, well, I mean, everyone has aspects of them that suck.

03:40:24.380 Like, it's just like.

03:40:26.020 Here, I guess here's an easy test.

03:40:28.960 If you make a statement about men and then you replace men with women.

03:40:34.480 And if your statement starts sounding sexist or you replace men with a racial group, you can, it can be black people.

03:40:41.420 And then you, you input black person instead of men.

03:40:45.140 And if your statement starts to sound problematic, if it was said about black people, then you have to contend with the fact that if the statement becomes racist, then there's a very good chance that the original statement was sexist in the direction of men.

03:41:04.560 Yeah, I can see your reasoning there.

03:41:05.840 Selena, you said, what did you say?

03:41:13.300 All men are suck or something or most men suck or?

03:41:17.200 Most men suck.

03:41:18.120 Majority, I think is what she said.

03:41:20.980 Okay.

03:41:21.340 I mean, I kind of take issue with this.

03:41:25.400 I don't think most men suck.

03:41:26.700 I think there are, there are men who do suck.

03:41:29.780 There are bad men out there.

03:41:31.180 There are evil men out there.

03:41:32.420 I think there are small, small minority of people, of men.

03:41:36.740 What would you say percentage wise?

03:41:39.340 Well, I, I, we would have to assess what exactly we're, we're talking about here.

03:41:43.880 So I would say, okay, let me ask you this.

03:41:52.580 When you're talking to women, I don't know if you like talk to them or if you like.

03:41:58.860 I do it pretty frequently.

03:42:00.180 I do it pretty frequently.

03:42:02.580 Yeah.

03:42:03.700 Okay.

03:42:04.060 That's good.

03:42:05.060 Just on the show.

03:42:05.980 I'm talking about the podcast.

03:42:07.480 Oh, like in your personal life.

03:42:09.620 Do you have like friends that are women or.

03:42:11.720 Yeah, sure.

03:42:12.620 Okay.

03:42:12.940 That's good.

03:42:14.620 Um, so I would say like, if you're talking to them, you'll talk to a lot of women.

03:42:20.440 They'll be like, yeah, men like really suck.

03:42:22.320 And I'll be like, why girl?

03:42:24.260 Like, tell me what's going on.

03:42:25.960 Oh, I got cheated on.

03:42:27.440 He did this to me.

03:42:28.680 He did that to me.

03:42:29.820 Sure.

03:42:32.240 And it's not as often that I speak to men and they're telling me, oh, I got cheated on

03:42:38.160 to be frank with you.

03:42:39.380 And so that's, that's one aspect of it.

03:42:43.940 Another aspect of it is I think a lot of men get.

03:42:48.360 They like women based on attraction.

03:42:53.240 Okay.

03:42:53.680 So if you are attractive, they will like you versus if they find you unattractive, they

03:42:57.960 don't like you.

03:42:58.480 Right.

03:42:58.700 And then when that attract, when that attraction fades, they're looking for something new.

03:43:04.380 And a lot of them are controlled by lust.

03:43:06.100 Whereas I personally believe with women, a lot of women fall for men based on emotional

03:43:11.400 connection, not necessarily looks.

03:43:13.020 I've met so many women where I have a conversation with them.

03:43:15.840 They're like, yeah, at first I didn't find him attractive.

03:43:18.520 And then I spoke to him and then I got to know him for a few days and oh my God, he's

03:43:22.340 like so attractive.

03:43:23.140 I'm so into him.

03:43:24.240 I do not meet many men that tell me the same thing.

03:43:27.320 I rarely met a man where he said I didn't find her attractive at first, but I fell for

03:43:31.020 her after time.

03:43:32.380 I can agree with that.

03:43:34.800 This idea that, that women are these completely devoid of caring about physical looks, I think

03:43:41.720 is kind of ridiculous.

03:43:42.620 I mean, I think for both men and women, physical attraction is very important part of dating.

03:43:48.600 But I think it's more important for men.

03:43:50.280 Oh, I think it's more important for men.

03:43:53.840 This is somewhat debatable, but I mean, perhaps to a slight degree, perhaps men.

03:43:58.860 I think that there are traits that men can possess as it relates to their personality that

03:44:03.820 can bolster their attractiveness or make them attractive to women like humor, status,

03:44:08.920 success, fame, these sorts of things are typically will be attraction triggers in women, even

03:44:15.980 if they're lacking in like physical, like more conventional physical attractiveness.

03:44:20.620 Uh, however, I think that actually men are much more, um, even if this is the case, men are

03:44:31.100 much more, um, I think men have a broader range of what they will find attractive in a woman.

03:44:39.040 So like you'll, most women, and I don't know if this came up earlier, I think a lot of women will

03:44:43.860 say, and I think it's even in your notes, you're like, there's so many beautiful women, but like

03:44:49.200 there's barely, didn't, didn't we talk about that earlier?

03:44:51.660 There's like barely, or no, it was you.

03:44:53.560 Oh, these sorority frat parties, whatever, 300, like all these beautiful women in the

03:44:58.880 sororities, but the frat parties, it's like 50 dudes and like five of those dudes, they're

03:45:04.500 just cute.

03:45:05.280 And then like one of them is not a douchebag or whatever, whatever you said.

03:45:09.140 Right.

03:45:09.560 So it's like, yeah, I mean, objectively, I think women are more attractive.

03:45:12.660 Well, so here I, on that though.

03:45:14.460 Sure.

03:45:15.200 I think that women are really generous judges of female attractiveness and their own attractiveness

03:45:21.840 and they're really harsh judges of male attractiveness.

03:45:26.260 I agree with that.

03:45:27.280 And so, and so actually I think like, I think there's a whole bunch of things here.

03:45:34.240 Like, uh, there's a lot of things that are completely out of men's control that women

03:45:39.160 care about a lot that are going to like, okay, hair, penis size, um, height, height,

03:45:45.700 height is huge.

03:45:47.300 Height is huge.

03:45:48.200 These are traits that are physical traits that women care about a lot that are completely

03:45:52.640 out of men's control.

03:45:53.700 Whereas like, I think a lot of the things that men care about, uh, a lot of those can

03:45:58.780 be pretty easily manipulated by women.

03:46:01.440 Maybe manipulate's not the best word.

03:46:03.160 Well, at least like makeup, facial attractiveness, women can manipulate that through makeup.

03:46:08.000 Uh, and then like in terms of body type, the things that men care about when it comes

03:46:12.360 to body, women can, I mean, when it comes to weight, women can lose weight.

03:46:16.720 Men can't change their height.

03:46:18.540 Men can't change if, I mean, they can't change their penis size.

03:46:22.440 There are some interventions for hair loss, but if you're bald, you're fucking bald.

03:46:27.940 I mean, but I would say the thing about women though is because of men's standards, because

03:46:37.320 of a lot of the structure of the patriarchy and because of these beauty standards that

03:46:42.380 have now been placed on women, we see the popularity of plastic surgery, lip filler, Botox, BBL, stuff

03:46:48.600 like that.

03:46:49.220 And a lot of that, while some people may disagree, I do think a lot of that is because a lot

03:46:54.480 of women have been judged by men and they don't feel attractive and they don't feel that

03:46:58.360 men are attracted to them.

03:46:59.660 And so I think with women, yes, there are more ways.

03:47:03.560 I agree with you.

03:47:04.300 I think women have more ways to improve their appearance a hundred percent, but I think a

03:47:09.760 lot of that is due to the criticism they had faced for men that they feel pressure to undergo

03:47:15.640 surgery, be under anesthesia, pay thousands upon thousands of dollars just to change how

03:47:20.820 they look so a man can be attracted to them.

03:47:22.540 Whereas men, women are not as harsh when it comes to their appearances.

03:47:26.940 Therefore, men don't really change and they somehow still end up with a girl.

03:47:32.440 I mean, but if it is the case that like, I think most women, like, I think most men find

03:47:37.480 most women attractive.

03:47:39.060 Most women definitely do not find most men attractive.

03:47:43.800 So, well, I think with the rise of social media, things have changed.

03:47:47.800 The access to perfect women has decreased and now a lot of men are expecting that into their

03:47:55.680 in their day-to-day lives.

03:47:58.020 Well, I think this would cut both ways a little bit, but, um, I mean, I think it cuts on that.

03:48:06.100 I think that's both ways.

03:48:07.320 Perhaps it does, but there isn't as much of a culture of like met male Instagram models

03:48:13.700 as much as there is women Instagram models.

03:48:16.660 And so should women stop doing that?

03:48:19.080 That's not necessarily what I'm saying.

03:48:21.180 I'm not saying that women should stop doing that.

03:48:23.340 I'm just saying that let's just get rid of social media, except for YouTube.

03:48:28.700 We can keep YouTube.

03:48:29.800 No, we need to look, I, I guess maybe we might agree on this.

03:48:34.880 Like, I think social media has a lot of harms to both men and women.

03:48:38.260 I think, um, yeah, especially on self-image.

03:48:41.020 I will say, right.

03:48:41.840 I think it, there are benefits of social media for sure.

03:48:44.980 There, there are ways through social media, you can raise awareness, you can understand

03:48:49.700 things that maybe people around you have been telling you are not true, but overall, it's

03:48:55.320 been harmful, like on a balance of in totality.

03:48:59.120 Okay.

03:48:59.580 It's been harmful.

03:49:00.120 But what I will say to that point is, yeah, I think, I think a lot of men now are desiring

03:49:12.000 these like beautiful, perfect influencer models that they see online and when they're not finding

03:49:17.780 it in person and, and it goes for men and women, but I think a lot of women put on themselves

03:49:23.660 those standards that they're also seeing online, make it, making it even harder.

03:49:26.600 I mean, I've talked to women who have said, I can't find a man until I get surgery or I

03:49:32.440 can't find, no man is going to find me attractive.

03:49:35.060 I mean, no, it's true.

03:49:36.420 I do think they are putting those standards on themselves.

03:49:38.640 I agree.

03:49:39.460 I agree.

03:49:40.060 A quick response to the plastic surgery thing.

03:49:41.900 I mean, at least my own position, I know some men have different opinions on this.

03:49:45.800 I actually think it's kind of a red flag for like in terms of a man who's like into the

03:49:52.140 plastic surgery look or whatever.

03:49:53.900 No offense to Essie.

03:49:54.760 What the heck?

03:49:55.620 Why'd you immediately look at me?

03:49:57.040 The fake titties, I guess.

03:49:57.760 What?

03:49:58.500 I think, I'm sorry.

03:50:00.180 I'm sorry to throw you under the bus.

03:50:01.220 I couldn't tell.

03:50:02.100 Sorry.

03:50:02.300 Sorry.

03:50:02.620 How do you know their fate?

03:50:04.720 I have, I can see from my peripherals.

03:50:07.860 My peripherals, I'm not even looking at her fake tits.

03:50:11.320 I'm looking, I'm looking at you dead in the eyes, fake titties.

03:50:14.900 What?

03:50:15.440 Right there.

03:50:16.440 So anyway.

03:50:16.680 Why am I catching the stress?

03:50:17.160 No, but look, look, look.

03:50:17.980 You are still so pretty though.

03:50:19.240 So pretty.

03:50:19.920 Slow and fly.

03:50:21.200 I didn't know they were fake.

03:50:22.320 So I think that, so I think when it comes to plastic surgery, Selena, I think that there

03:50:27.740 are certain things when it comes to plastic surgery that women do for the male gaze, but

03:50:31.940 I think that there are other things when it comes to plastic surgery and makeup and clothes

03:50:35.460 and all this that women do for the female gaze.

03:50:37.460 For example, I think lip filler, I don't think, look, I think generally speaking, cross-culturally,

03:50:45.020 like big lips are deemed as generally more attractive than thin lips.

03:50:48.800 However, like lip filler is something else.

03:50:51.180 Like lip filler, it, I don't know.

03:50:53.980 That shit looks weird as fuck.

03:50:55.340 It's a different look.

03:50:55.740 It's a different look.

03:50:56.220 I don't, no offense to any of those.

03:50:56.820 It does not look natural.

03:50:57.880 No offense to girls here without lip filler.

03:50:59.500 It looks weird.

03:51:01.040 Okay.

03:51:01.360 What does it look like?

03:51:02.600 Okay, so it doesn't look like natural, big, plump lips.

03:51:08.180 Okay, can I ask, can we do an experiment?

03:51:10.440 Like if you look from the side.

03:51:11.680 Okay, who here do you think has lip filler?

03:51:14.160 Oh, I don't know.

03:51:14.900 I don't want to like stare at y'all's lips.

03:51:17.200 No, I mean, I want to see, I want to see if men can tell.

03:51:19.440 Show me your profile.

03:51:21.300 Oh, that'll, yeah, that'll do it.

03:51:22.820 Yeah, so you can tell more so from, I mean, unless they have really intense filler where

03:51:28.160 you can tell from the front.

03:51:29.460 But if you look at the side, the lip bulges out in a way that never occurs in natural

03:51:39.940 lips, even natural big lips.

03:51:42.380 So, I mean, I'd have to see side profiles of all the women here.

03:51:46.860 Essie, you've maybe had some filler?

03:51:49.380 No.

03:51:51.260 Okay.

03:51:51.620 I get a lip flip.

03:51:52.520 Oh, you have a lip flip.

03:51:54.220 But it's only a good filler there.

03:51:55.980 Okay, they do this.

03:51:56.940 I have a, okay, lip flip is different.

03:51:59.940 Lip flip is different than filler.

03:52:02.140 Same difference.

03:52:02.240 They're so different, though.

03:52:03.220 They are different.

03:52:03.380 It just paralyzes your lip muscle.

03:52:05.020 No, but it is, you had this procedure on your lips, right?

03:52:08.480 But it doesn't make them bigger.

03:52:10.440 Well, kind of.

03:52:11.500 No, it just makes it so when you smile, your lip muscle can't move up.

03:52:14.820 Well, it does make it look bigger in the sense that it.

03:52:17.220 Yeah, the appearance.

03:52:17.540 The appearance.

03:52:19.000 It flips the lips up.

03:52:21.960 It doesn't actually make them bigger.

03:52:23.000 When I say lip filler.

03:52:24.100 What appearance-wise?

03:52:25.020 But I, see.

03:52:26.380 Okay, do you think I've had.

03:52:27.320 And she just has a lip flip.

03:52:28.420 Do you think I've had lip filler?

03:52:31.680 Turn to the other way.

03:52:34.660 This might be a tough case, but maybe a little bit.

03:52:38.840 I could be wrong.

03:52:39.560 Look, I could be wrong.

03:52:41.640 I have had lip filler.

03:52:42.980 Oh, yeah.

03:52:44.640 Let's go.

03:52:45.540 But see, you can't really tell.

03:52:47.900 That was good.

03:52:49.180 He did it?

03:52:50.020 Okay, he inferred.

03:52:52.180 Inferred?

03:52:52.500 That was an inferred guess based on context clues.

03:52:54.620 You were about to lie, by the way.

03:52:55.480 We'll give him that.

03:52:56.100 No, I wasn't.

03:52:56.640 I don't have no lip filler.

03:52:58.080 No.

03:52:58.420 Fuck you.

03:52:59.200 We'll give him that.

03:53:00.000 I was seeing your, I was giving you context clues.

03:53:03.520 I see you.

03:53:04.460 Okay.

03:53:05.100 I was.

03:53:05.600 All right.

03:53:06.200 Look, but I think, me personally, I don't, I, I'm not into the plastic surgery.

03:53:13.520 So do you have a girlfriend?

03:53:14.980 Hold on.

03:53:15.420 Let me finish my point.

03:53:16.100 Like, it's not a deal, like if a girl has some plastic, it's not a deal breaker, but

03:53:20.500 it's my preference if she doesn't have plastic surgery.

03:53:23.820 So that's like Botox lip filler, BBL, uh, lipo belly, what all, all that, that shit.

03:53:29.820 No.

03:53:30.380 And I think, um, I like, and I'll tell you this, my position, it's not even like, well,

03:53:36.980 Brian, but yeah, you want a girl with big boobs.

03:53:38.640 Like, yeah, sure.

03:53:39.160 Big boobs are nice.

03:53:40.000 Big butt is nice.

03:53:40.540 But like, I would prefer a cup flat over perfect fake titties.

03:53:45.100 I'd prefer a little, a little booty or no booty over like the perfect BBL.

03:53:50.640 I'd prefer a little belly fat.

03:53:52.980 Give me a little belly fat over the weird lipo, like dehydrated belly.

03:53:57.060 That shit looks weird.

03:53:58.060 Belly button.

03:53:58.960 I don't know.

03:53:59.300 It looks weird.

03:53:59.960 Give me a small, small upper lip over fake lip.

03:54:04.100 Give me a giant labia.

03:54:06.820 Oh my God.

03:54:07.760 Give me Guinness world record book labia over like a perfect any that was labiaplasty or

03:54:17.460 whatever.

03:54:17.760 I really, really love it when you bring up like the big labia movement.

03:54:20.600 No, because I never thought about how uncomfortable it made men when women would go around and

03:54:26.040 be like, I want a guy with a big dick.

03:54:27.820 But now it really like put it into perspective.

03:54:30.280 And I really admire that BLM that doesn't take advantage of people.

03:54:33.600 And I look, I think you think, wait, what?

03:54:37.760 Okay.

03:54:38.260 There's a difference between actually caring about black people and black.

03:54:41.220 Right.

03:54:41.620 Instead of profiting off it.

03:54:44.560 But I don't know.

03:54:45.480 Look, there are some men that are, are into the plastic surgery stuff.

03:54:49.800 But, but I think like, look, if you have a girlfriend and she's coming to you and she's

03:54:53.920 got like a cup, B cup or whatever, we're bigger.

03:54:56.380 And she just wants to go bigger.

03:54:57.680 I, I think you as a man in, in that relationship, have a duty to say, I like you, how you are.

03:55:04.780 You're beautiful.

03:55:05.300 How you are.

03:55:06.540 You don't need that.

03:55:07.660 And I think instead of being like, yeah, babe, go get plastic surgery.

03:55:11.460 You need to, you need to say, I mean, look, ultimately it's her.

03:55:15.760 If she's going to make a decision, she's going to make a decision, her choice.

03:55:18.240 Right.

03:55:18.420 But, uh, I think you need to like, try to build her, her, her not confident, I guess

03:55:25.720 confidence, self-esteem, her, her constitution.

03:55:30.020 You need to build her constitution.

03:55:32.180 Yes.

03:55:32.640 Okay.

03:55:32.980 You're beautiful.

03:55:33.620 You don't need lip filler.

03:55:34.500 You don't need Botox.

03:55:35.780 I see what you're saying, but a lot of the time say, okay, say this, you're dating this

03:55:40.580 girl and you're telling her, she's like, she's feeling insecure.

03:55:44.780 You're like, babe, you don't need a boob job.

03:55:47.620 You're so perfect.

03:55:48.700 And then you're on porn hub at night searching up girls with big, you know what I mean?

03:55:53.780 So sure.

03:55:55.160 I'm a lady, a guy, by the way.

03:55:56.400 I don't big.

03:55:57.240 Oh, you are so special.

03:55:59.300 Yeah.

03:56:00.060 Um, like it's not big, but big, big boobs.

03:56:02.820 I'm a big lady.

03:56:03.540 You're like huge.

03:56:04.320 I like you.

03:56:08.260 I don't know.

03:56:09.420 I, well, like, so I don't think men, if they're in a relationship, they shouldn't be watching

03:56:13.400 porn or, I mean, look, if it's long distance or whatever, if, if it's not like an addiction

03:56:18.520 and like, I think there is a level of porn consumption that can be like minimally harmful

03:56:25.580 to, to you as an individual or like not harmful at all.

03:56:29.480 So what about like Instagram?

03:56:31.340 Like say a guy is on, you have a girlfriend, you're on Instagram and you're liking like

03:56:35.640 all of these.

03:56:35.900 You shouldn't be doing that.

03:56:36.600 I shouldn't be doing that.

03:56:37.720 Okay.

03:56:37.940 That's good.

03:56:38.580 That's a, that, but here, you shouldn't even be doing that shit when you're single.

03:56:43.600 Like that's an L for like that.

03:56:45.780 You shouldn't do that.

03:56:46.500 But definitely in a relationship, I don't think you should be liking like IG girls.

03:56:53.000 So why do you think guys do that?

03:56:54.700 I see a lot of guys.

03:56:56.080 It's a lot of respect.

03:56:57.460 I think it's a couple of things.

03:56:58.480 I think it's this, I think it's a society, but I think a lot of dudes are fucking degenerate

03:57:03.360 gooners that are fucking porn brained.

03:57:06.640 And I think that that's bad and we should move away from that.

03:57:10.460 We should encourage men, we should encourage men to, uh, like, look, I, again, I think there's

03:57:17.740 like, if you're a single guy and you watch porn and you're not like fucking just jerking

03:57:24.580 it 24 seven and it's like, whatever, I don't think it's super harmful to yourself, but I would

03:57:30.960 actually say, look, move away from watching porn, reduce your porn consumption as much as

03:57:35.200 possible.

03:57:37.200 But when you're in a relationship, assuming like you guys see each other frequently,

03:57:39.920 uh, you should save that for your girlfriend.

03:57:44.240 Um, and look, ideally you move away from it completely, whether you're in a relationship

03:57:48.620 or not.

03:57:49.640 Um, or look, maybe your girl, if she's okay with that, she can send you some stuff and

03:57:55.000 you could watch her shit.

03:57:56.420 Like, but it's just, she's sending you stuff.

03:57:58.300 Right.

03:57:58.940 Um, and I, I think that that would perhaps be a solution there.

03:58:03.080 Like if you're long distance or some shit, you don't see her for like, you know, it's

03:58:06.860 three months between, Oh no, let the guy jerk off a little bit, I guess.

03:58:10.420 Right.

03:58:10.880 Give him some slime.

03:58:11.340 Like three months, you know, let the guy, let the guy blast a little bit.

03:58:14.660 You're right.

03:58:15.320 Just don't tell me about it.

03:58:16.780 Do you condone cheating?

03:58:20.860 No, I don't think so.

03:58:22.040 Okay.

03:58:22.560 No, that's good.

03:58:23.880 Do you think like that's most men condone cheating?

03:58:27.520 I've met a lot of men that encourage it and think it's cool.

03:58:30.080 Yeah.

03:58:30.220 You shouldn't.

03:58:30.740 I think if you've agreed to be monogamous with somebody, you should not do that.

03:58:35.320 I think I've seen cheating is bad.

03:58:36.740 I think I've seen a lot of females too online who are like bragging about, you know, being

03:58:41.060 promiscuous while in a relationship too.

03:58:43.720 So I feel like it's kind of like on both sides there.

03:58:46.040 Like the lack of commitment is something that could be based person by person, not just

03:58:50.380 based on sex.

03:58:52.380 Do you think being a degenerate gooner makes you suck?

03:58:57.140 I, I, so, uh.

03:59:00.080 Cause you could say like a lot of people suck.

03:59:02.360 A lot of men are degenerate gooners.

03:59:04.200 It's like, it's kind of, we're saying kind of the same thing.

03:59:06.460 The severity of the suck.

03:59:08.380 Yeah.

03:59:08.800 Cause it's like, what makes someone suck?

03:59:10.260 Cause that was kind of like, I think that was a big issue in our debate when we were talking

03:59:13.080 about it.

03:59:14.220 You could say that like.

03:59:15.640 We should have defined the term.

03:59:16.900 That's like California is calling people weird.

03:59:18.820 Making someone's like, you could say like using suck as a very like generous, like if you

03:59:25.600 were going to be like very liberal about the way that you like were to define suck.

03:59:28.900 Like I'm kind of thinking like, oh, like he sucks if like.

03:59:33.320 Yeah.

03:59:33.560 Like he doesn't like clean up dishes or something after I like cook for him.

03:59:39.020 And that's like, I don't know.

03:59:40.180 Or like, that's like a very easy way to describe it.

03:59:42.260 So like you could use it in that way or you could say like someone sucks if they like killed

03:59:45.360 their friend.

03:59:45.820 I mean, yeah.

03:59:46.680 So, I mean, here's what I would say.

03:59:48.140 If you're in a relationship with a girl and you're like, if you're liking IG models, pictures

03:59:53.760 on Instagram, and this is going to cause your girlfriend distress, that's a sucky thing

03:59:58.640 to do.

03:59:59.060 Yeah.

03:59:59.480 And, but even if you're not in a relationship, I just think that that's kind of like a,

04:00:04.560 a simpy, like absent the impact on a potential girlfriend, it's kind of just like a simpy

04:00:11.820 thing to do.

04:00:12.660 And look, maybe I'm an older, I'm a bit older, right?

04:00:15.260 A different generation.

04:00:16.620 Like on Instagram, I don't follow anybody.

04:00:20.020 Like, I just don't care.

04:00:21.820 Like I don't, I don't follow people on Instagram.

04:00:23.880 I don't like, I'm not like gooning looking at chicks photos.

04:00:26.660 Uh, I also, I don't get that.

04:00:28.500 Like if you're a guy, why are you like on Instagram?

04:00:32.020 Like, wouldn't you go the maximum distance if you're, I guess, why go to Instagram?

04:00:36.980 Like, why not just go all the way to porn?

04:00:39.480 I guess.

04:00:39.860 It's easy to defend when it's on Instagram.

04:00:42.160 You can gaslight somebody into thinking like, oh, it's really not that serious.

04:00:46.060 I just liked her post.

04:00:47.960 But are you guys willing to do this trade though?

04:00:51.480 So I, I absolutely agree with you guys.

04:00:53.460 I think men being these like little porn brained, uh, idiots, just, oh my God, look at, look

04:01:00.360 at her ass.

04:01:01.200 Let me like all her foot.

04:01:02.540 Oh my God.

04:01:03.480 Uh, that's weird.

04:01:05.540 But should, is there, what do you take this trade?

04:01:10.860 Men should stop doing that.

04:01:12.760 And women should stop putting out that sort of thing on Instagram.

04:01:17.340 I'm okay with that.

04:01:17.940 Do you take the trade?

04:01:19.100 It's a good trade.

04:01:19.840 Do you take the trade?

04:01:20.900 I'll take it.

04:01:22.600 Is that a fair trade?

04:01:23.460 I don't know.

04:01:23.880 Maybe you're like, eh, I don't know.

04:01:25.280 It feels pretty fair, you know, like both parties are equally not contributing to the

04:01:30.280 same problem, you know?

04:01:31.900 Sure.

04:01:32.340 I think we should be, you know, trying to make, uh, efforts on both sides instead of

04:01:36.160 just placing blame on one or the other.

04:01:38.780 Girls need to have more self-respect.

04:01:40.580 I'm going to, I'm sorry for the delay on these.

04:01:42.500 I'm, we can come back to this conversation if any of you would like, but we have some chats

04:01:45.760 coming through.

04:01:46.280 A message from the government.

04:01:47.080 I'm very sorry for the delay.

04:01:48.520 I'm sorry.

04:01:49.220 We can write into it.

04:01:50.040 Two hundred dollars and four cents.

04:01:51.540 Oh boy.

04:01:52.180 Sorry, this came in a while ago.

04:01:53.260 To jazz one, three, and four.

04:01:55.380 What do you think about Charlie Kirk's views and what he fought for?

04:02:00.000 What did he fight for?

04:02:01.200 Oh boy.

04:02:02.880 What do you think I think about that?

04:02:05.000 Like, come on.

04:02:05.900 Actually, you did a video on it here.

04:02:07.340 Wine is a strong word.

04:02:08.280 Pastey, I'm going to, I wrote a note.

04:02:09.560 Oh yeah, I did do a video on that.

04:02:11.220 Here, Pastey, I'm going to, just to let the other chats come through, just so they're not

04:02:13.920 waiting too long.

04:02:14.540 I'm going to write a note and I'll come back to that.

04:02:16.540 A message from the government of Canada.

04:02:19.320 Sorry for the delay.

04:02:20.040 Pastey, George donated $200 and four cents.

04:02:23.940 Chair one is getting slave catchers or man hunters confused with city district police

04:02:28.680 officers.

04:02:29.860 In the old days, slave or man hunters were hired to track and capture in place of police.

04:02:35.880 LMFAO.

04:02:37.080 Thank you, Pastey.

04:02:38.200 This is true.

04:02:40.300 George.

04:02:41.080 Thank you, man.

04:02:41.780 Appreciate it.

04:02:42.380 Thank you, George.

04:02:43.660 We have three more coming.

04:02:46.980 We have Indy.

04:02:48.120 Tim B underscore Indy donated $200.

04:02:51.380 Hey.

04:02:52.040 Oops.

04:02:52.540 Sorry, Brian.

04:02:53.980 Seech.

04:02:54.880 One, the reason for the mute is that you are the most annoying guest I have seen on whatever.

04:02:59.720 Damn, what the fuck?

04:03:00.380 Your uninformed opinions are not facts.

04:03:03.200 Oh shit.

04:03:04.120 Tim Indy.

04:03:04.940 We might be from the same town.

04:03:06.260 Wait, what?

04:03:06.820 Was that our muter?

04:03:07.800 Really?

04:03:08.760 I don't think so.

04:03:09.460 I don't think so.

04:03:10.080 No, I think it was.

04:03:10.900 It was a Tim, right?

04:03:11.680 I don't know.

04:03:13.240 We'll do that later.

04:03:14.920 A message from the government of Canada.

04:03:16.660 Yeah, it was Tim.

04:03:17.280 Pastey George donated $200.04.

04:03:21.140 Uh-oh.

04:03:21.520 Shares one, three, and four are the classic examples of feminism influenced women who slept

04:03:27.140 with men who were in the top 10% that smashed and dumped them with no commitment.

04:03:32.380 They got hurt and now hate men, LOL.

04:03:36.020 What do you mean top 10%?

04:03:38.100 What does that mean?

04:03:38.720 We got those go-goo, we got them go-goo men.

04:03:42.540 That's what that means.

04:03:45.040 Word.

04:03:46.440 That's really funny.

04:03:47.860 He has another one coming in.

04:03:49.540 Thank you, Pastey.

04:03:50.120 A message from the government of Canada.

04:03:52.180 Pastey George donated $200.04.

04:03:55.320 If so many women, especially feministic women, are strong, independent, who don't need a

04:04:01.580 man or their opinions, including attention, then why do women need makeup, cosmetic procedures,

04:04:08.280 et cetera?

04:04:08.720 So I do think that a lot of the standards of, you know, like facial plastic surgery, et cetera,

04:04:17.700 stem, we touched on this earlier, stem from women having insecurities about themselves.

04:04:22.660 It's less what the men are putting on them sometimes.

04:04:26.020 And that is why we can cite, oh, plastic surgery, this, this, that.

04:04:30.640 So do I think it's always influenced by men?

04:04:34.220 Sometimes, yes.

04:04:35.560 Other times, no.

04:04:38.060 All right.

04:04:39.020 Essie, can I have you read these ones?

04:04:40.960 I still can't get past this.

04:04:42.700 How do you think that black people and women are the only groups that were historically oppressed?

04:04:47.340 Surely that cannot be.

04:04:48.500 What is going on here?

04:04:49.820 I don't think anyone said that.

04:04:50.460 I didn't say that.

04:04:50.960 It was, I believe, because of the discussion earlier about how you can't be racist to white

04:04:59.040 people.

04:05:01.280 Essie, you're?

04:05:02.540 You go to Georgetown and study foreign policy and you didn't know what World War I and World

04:05:06.700 War II dates, or the World War II dates?

04:05:09.080 Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

04:05:10.100 Get a refund from college.

04:05:11.500 You think anyone at the UN doesn't know the dates of World War I and World War II?

04:05:15.180 Wake up to yourself.

04:05:16.340 Honest, though.

04:05:17.300 Oh, honest to God.

04:05:18.180 That's just embarrassing.

04:05:19.100 So, I got it in the ballpark.

04:05:22.060 I'm sorry that I didn't memorize those perfect numbers.

04:05:26.660 Yeah.

04:05:27.380 I don't know what else to say.

04:05:28.460 If you're going to base my intelligence off of me memorizing a few numbers, sure.

04:05:34.420 Go ahead.

04:05:34.880 But don't you think if we're going to be having a comparative analysis of the oppression

04:05:41.320 or privileges that men or women have, don't you think there's just like some base level

04:05:48.680 of, like, if it is the case, well, it's not just if it's the case, it is the case that

04:05:54.800 through military conflict and warfare, this is a really, I don't know if you guys would

04:06:01.020 call it intersectional, like a really great example of ways in which men definitely had

04:06:05.980 it way worse than women today and historically.

04:06:09.140 I feel like if you are unaware, like, for example.

04:06:15.200 It's not necessarily being unaware.

04:06:16.680 It's like the ballpark of, like, a few years.

04:06:19.360 And, again, I'm like a history foreign policy major.

04:06:24.100 I'm not like that.

04:06:25.220 Well, it's not even so much just the years.

04:06:26.980 Like, no, I mean, I know the timelines.

04:06:29.660 I know the events.

04:06:30.480 I know the details.

04:06:31.240 So if you're going to be like, oh, when is this specific year?

04:06:33.160 That's more memorization than it is understanding.

04:06:36.080 But, I mean, warfare, and this goes, in fact, even beyond just forced military conscription.

04:06:42.540 Warfare is something that uniquely, and this isn't just the draft, actual war itself is

04:06:51.180 something that a way in which men have uniquely suffered in history.

04:06:57.720 Now, just to be clear, almost all of society suffers when war happens, but men are the primary

04:07:04.300 victims, primary sufferers when there is a war.

04:07:08.700 And so sometimes I feel like people don't have a full grasp of the gravitas, the heaviness

04:07:18.160 of war and, like, the suffering experienced in war.

04:07:23.980 And I don't really think, I think a lot of feminists don't have an appreciation for, like,

04:07:30.860 and, you know, you say, Brian, you only talked about the war thing.

04:07:35.420 Truthfully, you're not going to like this take.

04:07:38.920 You said, well, women have X, Y, Z, and there's five different social things where women have

04:07:44.500 it bad, and there's five systemic ways in which women have it bad.

04:07:48.160 And I could, by the way, I could list, like, other ways men have it bad.

04:07:53.580 I actually think if we look at just war, just war, and we, and look, I don't want to do,

04:08:01.380 like, Victim Olympics or whatever, what is it?

04:08:05.480 I think that's the term, Victim Olympics.

04:08:08.480 I actually think, as it relates to comparisons between male grievance and female grievance,

04:08:13.900 just on that one, ignoring all the other ways in which men might have it bad, just on warfare,

04:08:21.680 male suffering is, I honestly think, historically, modern day, orders of magnitude greater than

04:08:32.420 women's collective suffering.

04:08:33.960 Are you, like, okay, so.

04:08:39.420 So I get that there's been, there's a lot.

04:08:41.440 Okay, so the violence inflicted upon men, right?

04:08:45.240 So we're talking about war.

04:08:46.680 We're talking about going, shooting a gun, maybe getting killed.

04:08:52.680 And then we're going to compare it to.

04:08:54.140 Pretty bad thing.

04:08:54.460 Yeah, I never said it wasn't bad.

04:08:56.520 And then we're going to compare that to a lot of women who also deal with issues like

04:09:01.940 domestic violence, sexual harassment at higher rates, who deal with childbearing and giving

04:09:11.440 birth.

04:09:12.860 Well, I don't think that that would.

04:09:14.020 We're talking about violence.

04:09:15.560 And we're talking about, I guess, the magnitude of things that they have dealt with, right?

04:09:21.800 I thought we were just talking about the war.

04:09:23.620 That's what I thought.

04:09:24.740 Okay, I'm, we're, I'm.

04:09:26.620 No, I see where she's going.

04:09:28.240 Okay, thank you.

04:09:31.600 Women deal with a lot as well.

04:09:36.780 Okay.

04:09:37.200 Yeah, absolutely agree.

04:09:38.080 So when you say worse, I don't, I, obviously we can't necessarily, like, compare.

04:09:45.800 There's not, like, a perfect way of comparison.

04:09:49.280 But I do think that there is a lot, a lot of violence that's inflicted on women that has

04:09:53.800 been inflicted throughout all of history.

04:09:55.980 Whereas if we're talking specifically about the draft, that was certain periods of time.

04:10:00.660 Well, I mean.

04:10:01.340 Where most men, I mean, I mean, forced military conscription.

04:10:07.400 But I mean, even men who are willing, although I, I don't like, for example, in, there wasn't

04:10:20.120 like World War II movies, or I don't think people really understood war historically.

04:10:28.460 Like, we have access to a bunch of, well, we actually, it's not just like fictional depictions

04:10:32.960 of war.

04:10:33.340 We have non-fictional depictions of war, like actual footage of war, and we have firsthand

04:10:39.040 accounts of people.

04:10:40.440 But, like, in the 1914 or whatever, I don't know if, like, a 17-year-old boy from, like,

04:10:48.840 Kentucky had a real appreciation for what he was going to experience when he went to,

04:10:55.600 like, the, like, deep forests of France, like, in, like, the Argonne Forest, or, like, Amiens,

04:11:03.540 or wherever.

04:11:04.380 Wherever.

04:11:05.100 I don't think they had appreciation for, like, the shell shock they were about to experience.

04:11:08.900 By the way, World War I, completely new style of warfare.

04:11:12.440 There was chemical weapons being used.

04:11:15.820 Trench foot.

04:11:16.620 These people were, like, literally, you, do you know what trench foot is?

04:11:21.300 Ooh, it's bad.

04:11:22.260 So, basically, these men were in trenches, and they were, there was a lot of rain, right?

04:11:26.420 So, it was completely wet and cold, and they were in these wet boots that they never changed.

04:11:31.640 They never changed their socks.

04:11:33.220 They were in these wet environments for, like, days, weeks, months, on end.

04:11:37.260 Basically, their entire foot would end up.

04:11:40.940 Like, rotting.

04:11:41.840 Basically, rotting, right?

04:11:43.680 And so, there, and that's just one, like, really kind of small component of, like, the suffering

04:11:49.100 that almost exclusively men experienced during warfare.

04:11:53.400 I think the sheer number, too.

04:11:55.360 So, even, I guess what I was trying to get with that is, I don't know if, like, during

04:11:59.100 World War I, World War II, men going, like, the 18-year-old volunteer force really had

04:12:04.960 an appreciation or understanding of, like, okay, I'm going to come back with, like, severe

04:12:09.740 shell shock, severe, now we call it PTSD, severe battle fatigue, as they called it, I guess,

04:12:15.640 back then.

04:12:17.020 So, even the volunteer force, but even the men who were forced into military conscription,

04:12:22.560 I think that this, I don't think women have a really, I don't think women have, like,

04:12:29.440 a full, full understanding of the suffering experienced by men in the world.

04:12:34.420 Okay, but I don't think men have a full understanding of the suffering that's been experienced by women.

04:12:38.420 And I think if we're talking about the sheer volume of women that were forced to carry pregnancies

04:12:44.840 at very young ages and were also forced to get married at such a young age and bear the

04:12:51.600 children not even understanding, like, sometimes they didn't even know really what sex was or

04:12:56.100 how, like, how hard pregnancy can be, right?

04:13:01.440 Wait, are you talking, you're talking about, like, child marriages or, like, child...

04:13:06.400 We could say, like, 16.

04:13:08.320 That was also happening.

04:13:11.140 I would feel remiss to not bring this up.

04:13:16.240 Fuck, I don't know.

04:13:17.820 Oh, my God.

04:13:18.940 Do you know what I'm going to bring up?

04:13:20.080 No, but I know it's going to be annoying.

04:13:23.680 Aisha, are you familiar with this person?

04:13:26.000 Okay, I've done a lot of research on this.

04:13:28.280 That was not the case.

04:13:29.440 Are you sure?

04:13:34.060 If you want to go, like, back in historical records and talk about that, we can do that.

04:13:39.660 I've had certain professors say that it was actually 16.

04:13:42.900 It was...

04:13:43.820 Some professors have said it was 17.

04:13:46.260 And then if we're going to look back in Europe, that also was occurring.

04:13:49.800 Okay.

04:13:50.500 Also, we can even get into the age of the Virgin Mary.

04:13:53.820 We can talk about how women in Europe were also forced to carry pregnancies.

04:13:58.020 We're not going to make this, like, oh, this is just a Muslim issue.

04:14:00.940 Sure.

04:14:01.360 To bring it back, though, ultimately, I'm not discounting that many, many terrible things

04:14:08.140 have happened, do happen to women.

04:14:10.820 There's no dispute there.

04:14:12.080 I'm not going to dispute you at all that there's absolutely ways in which women uniquely suffer

04:14:16.220 and have unique bad experiences in life.

04:14:18.740 But I think what feminism has done is when women and feminists collectivize and say, well,

04:14:26.300 hold on.

04:14:26.980 Women have had it so much worse than men, and men are evil, and men are bad, and men are

04:14:31.320 to blame.

04:14:32.600 Well, then, you've now opened the door for me to now make an assessment, to make an analysis

04:14:38.180 of, like, well, hold on.

04:14:40.460 Let's actually analyze this.

04:14:41.940 If we're going to do, if you're going to, as feminists, make the claim, women have suffered

04:14:46.620 more, well, compared to what?

04:14:49.900 Okay.

04:14:50.220 Compared, then I'm going to just say, well, okay, then let's look at how women have suffered

04:14:54.720 and how men have suffered.

04:14:56.140 Okay, so we've talked about the war thing.

04:14:58.620 Sure.

04:14:59.220 But it's, isn't your position-

04:14:59.920 Can you give me more examples?

04:15:01.280 I can.

04:15:01.860 One quick question.

04:15:03.000 Okay.

04:15:03.220 One quick question, and I promise you I'll get into those other examples.

04:15:06.920 Is it okay for women to say, women, historically in current day, or maybe just historically for

04:15:12.360 some women, I believe, women have suffered more than men?

04:15:16.780 Yes, I agree.

04:15:17.720 And that's totally fine to say, right?

04:15:20.100 Then why would it ever be wrong for men to be like, eh, actually, we think this, we believe

04:15:27.400 this, and here's why we believe these things?

04:15:31.440 Sorry, could you repeat that one more time?

04:15:32.840 Well, I guess, so I think it originates almost back to the very beginning where you're like,

04:15:37.940 well, these men, they think that they're oppressed and they think they've had it bad and blah,

04:15:41.840 blah, blah.

04:15:42.220 Yeah, so-

04:15:42.700 And it's like, but it's, we're essentially playing the feminist game, which is feminists

04:15:48.620 are saying, let's view society through female grievance.

04:15:53.920 And then I'm, now we're meeting you, we're meeting you where you are and saying, hmm, let's actually

04:16:01.060 view society, let's, sure, let's view society through male grievance.

04:16:07.020 Okay, so I'm giving you examples, and I'd like you to give me more examples than just war,

04:16:12.660 because you've been harping about war for like a couple hours now.

04:16:15.920 And I want to hear more.

04:16:17.680 Okay, let's go.

04:16:18.700 Do you want like systemic or do you want more social?

04:16:22.540 I would say both.

04:16:23.820 I would say both, right?

04:16:24.820 And I want them, let me just say one thing.

04:16:26.600 I want them like, right?

04:16:27.700 So the examples I've cited have been systemically, women have not been allowed to get an education.

04:16:33.820 We're not in, like not allowed to financially be independent, could not vote, could not work.

04:16:41.720 Okay, that's, we're going to say those for systemic.

04:16:43.600 And then for socially, we're going to say, you know, they deal with the pain of childbearing.

04:16:51.120 A lot of them were forced to bear children.

04:16:52.740 And then we're going to talk about domestic violence that happens at higher rates for women.

04:16:58.780 And then also sexual assault that happens at rates that are much higher for women and sexual harassment.

04:17:06.640 And I would like claims other than just war that are on par with that.

04:17:12.900 Oh, okay.

04:17:13.760 Well, I mean, now you're shifting the goalposts a bit, like on par with that.

04:17:17.780 That would be up to your interpretation.

04:17:19.720 I mean, not necessarily up to my interpretation.

04:17:21.600 I think that are equivalent to that, that you can say, no, men have suffered equally or more.

04:17:29.220 Well, now you're shifting the goalposts a bit here.

04:17:30.540 I'm not shifting the goalposts.

04:17:31.660 We're talking about have women suffered more than men.

04:17:34.520 Well, yeah, but you can't just brush aside the military component.

04:17:37.300 Okay, so I'm adding military.

04:17:38.800 I'm adding military and military can be one factor, but military alone does not equate to all of the factors that I just listed.

04:17:45.180 So do you remember?

04:17:45.980 Yeah, yeah.

04:17:46.300 So I'll get into it.

04:17:47.020 So I'll start with systemic first.

04:17:48.580 So systemically, remember earlier when you said, as compared to white people, black people, there's bias in the court system against black people.

04:17:58.720 They're more likely to be convicted of a crime.

04:18:00.880 They're more policed.

04:18:02.200 They do longer jail sentences than white people.

04:18:05.420 And that's your position, right?

04:18:09.060 Yes.

04:18:09.720 Okay.

04:18:10.200 So all those things in terms of the bias that exists in the court system or by policing as it relates to black people, these same, actually, it's even larger.

04:18:19.060 The differences that you can point to in discrepancy between, like, sentencing, length, likelihood of actually deciding to prosecute something, the discrepancy that exists between white and black, it goes from this to this if we're comparing between men and women.

04:18:37.700 Now, you would say there's racism in the court system, racism in policing because the discrepancy exists.

04:18:44.640 Well, in that case, I would have to say that there's absolutely discrepancy in sentencing guidelines.

04:18:50.400 Well, not guidelines, but in actual sentences.

04:18:54.180 Women are more likely to get probation.

04:18:56.860 Women are more likely to receive less harsh punishments.

04:19:00.020 There's a whole – oh, by the way, the prison system is, like, way, way more of a smooth ride for women than at least men who are in men's prisons.

04:19:11.020 Although I'll be charitable here, it's – men contribute to the harshness of the prison environment to some degree.

04:19:21.660 So I'm not going to say it's women's fault that that's the case, but it is the case that if you're a woman and you go to prison, that's going to be a bit more smooth sailing than, like, if you're a man and you go to prison.

04:19:32.660 You go to Gen Pop as a man, you just – wait, come on.

04:19:35.960 You can't – hold on.

04:19:36.980 You go to Gen Pop as a man, immediately you have to racially segregate and you have to, like, literally – oh, sorry.

04:19:42.600 It's all good.

04:19:43.080 If you go to Gen Pop in prison, like, you're basically part of a prison gang now and, like, there's mass amounts of violence and, look, I'll be fair.

04:19:55.700 Yes, it's men who are doing the violence, right?

04:19:58.260 Of course, it's male-female segregated.

04:20:02.580 Women in prison, there's probably higher levels of violence than, like, out in the real world, but it's nowhere near as, like, how intense –

04:20:11.320 Like, the – I don't know if you watch any of these, like, prison shows or whatever.

04:20:14.760 The prison politics for, like, men is fucking insane.

04:20:18.580 Like, you think it's racist on the outside?

04:20:20.460 Trust me.

04:20:20.920 It's – like, you can't sit with black people.

04:20:23.500 You can't have – you can't sit –

04:20:25.320 Yeah, I know.

04:20:25.400 I actually worked at prisons.

04:20:27.220 Okay, so you know that.

04:20:28.780 So the reason that I'm disagreeing with you – I'm not going to say I fully disagree, but I do think a lot of that is inflicted and has been inflicted by men, okay?

04:20:41.400 By the other men in the prison system.

04:20:43.440 Yes, okay, so –

04:20:44.580 But there's no way – there's no getting around the fact that, like, prison for men is way worse and way more violent.

04:20:52.520 But because it is inflicted upon men by men, right?

04:20:55.700 Sure.

04:20:55.960 If we're looking at the women population, a lot of the women, they have to leave their kids.

04:21:01.320 They have to leave their families.

04:21:02.740 There are – a lot of women are raped in prisons by male guards and forced to carry their children, sexually harassed, sexually assaulted.

04:21:11.060 Sure, they're also raped by women in prison.

04:21:13.160 That happens.

04:21:13.820 I mean, there's a lot of –

04:21:15.280 So if you want to cite, oh, the violence is so bad for men.

04:21:19.560 Like –

04:21:19.600 It's worse for men.

04:21:20.400 Okay, but that's because men are with other men who happen to be more violent.

04:21:24.760 Do you agree that men are –

04:21:26.340 Coming to that conclusion isn't any more productive, though.

04:21:29.240 I was just saying that we can't blame the victims in that situation either.

04:21:32.100 But I'm not blaming the victims, but I'm saying that men are being violent towards other men.

04:21:38.140 But then when women say, okay, well, men are all – like, so do you agree that – you're saying that the – okay, so you're saying that it is more violent in male prisons, correct?

04:21:49.780 So do you think men are more violent than women?

04:21:54.460 Yeah, sure.

04:21:55.160 I'd probably grant it.

04:21:56.080 Okay, so men are more violent than women, and then women are saying –

04:22:00.300 I just want to caveat it, a really small percentage of men.

04:22:05.020 Okay, but in general, men tend to be more violent than women and are able to –

04:22:09.440 But I have to caveat it just by saying, like, most men are, like, completely harmless and would never hurt a woman or any –

04:22:15.460 But men are more capable of being violent.

04:22:18.260 Sure.

04:22:18.840 Well, men have a greater physical strength than women.

04:22:21.840 Okay, so they're more capable of being violent, and they're more violent.

04:22:24.980 And so in this situation, you know, like, we're saying, okay, women are saying, yeah, well, we are dealing with all this violence from men because men are more violent, and we need feminism, and we need to protect ourselves.

04:22:39.980 So essentially what I'm saying here is, yeah, I think that is sad that men deal with that, but at the end of the day, it is inflicted upon by men.

04:22:52.780 Men are proponents of that, and that –

04:22:55.980 But hold on, like, if you go to prison – look, by the way, DUIs are terrible, but if you go to prison for, like, a DUI manslaughter or whatever, like, congratulations, you're now –

04:23:05.940 Like, if you're black, you're part of a black prison gang.

04:23:08.160 If you're white, you're part of a white prison gang.

04:23:10.100 You're going to be doing all kinds of probably, like, crazy shit.

04:23:12.780 You're in gen pop.

04:23:14.460 You're going to be, like, witness or even experience, like, levels of violence that are, like, absolutely insane as compared to out in the streets.

04:23:22.400 So – but that's kind of, like, a second – like, one of my points.

04:23:27.540 What I was pointing to was you were saying, well, okay, black people as compared to white people, they're over-policed.

04:23:34.540 The sentencing disparities exist.

04:23:37.020 I was – my central point as it relates to the criminal justice system – systemic, right – is that men – like, women can commit certain crimes.

04:23:45.920 They get more leeway when it comes to sentencing.

04:23:48.780 It's true.

04:23:49.700 You can do analysis of sentencing.

04:23:51.580 You compare certain crimes for certain crimes.

04:23:53.740 You can do this with white and black, by the way.

04:23:55.800 You compare a woman who commits a crime.

04:23:57.300 Compare a man who commits a crime.

04:23:58.760 He gets a harsher sentence.

04:24:00.260 Less likely to get probation.

04:24:02.620 Prosecutors go after men way, way harsher, way, way more.

04:24:07.560 So that's an example of systemic disadvantage that men experience.

04:24:11.680 And honestly, I don't even necessarily disagree with that.

04:24:14.460 But I think the biggest point that I want to make here is, yes, you know what?

04:24:21.960 I can agree that men, you know, they're facing these violences.

04:24:26.960 They're this, they're that, they're that.

04:24:28.020 But at the end of the day –

04:24:31.020 Contrarians.

04:24:34.500 But at the end –

04:24:35.320 But it's other men, right?

04:24:37.860 But at the end of the day, that is a byproduct of the patriarchy that men have created and inflicted upon themselves, right?

04:24:46.280 So what do we do about that?

04:24:47.220 So, no, no, no, no, no, can I finish my point, please?

04:24:50.380 Can I just –

04:24:50.900 Men have not inflicted it upon them.

04:24:54.240 Okay, can I just finish my point quickly?

04:24:56.520 99% of men have no more say than 99% of women.

04:25:01.380 You can't say, well, there's billions of men in this world and they had no more say in the systems that exist than you or other women.

04:25:11.560 We have no more say.

04:25:13.180 Does my vote count more than your vote?

04:25:17.220 Okay, can I just finish my point?

04:25:19.760 Does my vote count more than your vote?

04:25:22.300 Can I please finish my point?

04:25:23.580 Answer my question, then finish your point.

04:25:25.120 I was just saying something and you interrupted me.

04:25:26.780 Just to answer the question.

04:25:27.420 It's a yes or no.

04:25:28.720 Can I please finish my point?

04:25:30.140 This, like, literally has nothing to do with my point.

04:25:32.360 It's related, but okay.

04:25:33.420 It's not.

04:25:36.400 So, what is the patriarchy, right?

04:25:39.680 Oh, boy.

04:25:40.200 It was framed in a –

04:25:42.060 Was that thunder?

04:25:44.260 Yeah.

04:25:44.620 Sorry, guys.

04:25:45.220 There's just, like, a crazy thunder.

04:25:46.760 Hell, yeah.

04:25:47.840 Rock and roll.

04:25:49.040 Let's fucking go.

04:25:50.840 Okay, go ahead.

04:25:52.980 Go ahead.

04:25:54.900 Okay.

04:25:55.840 So –

04:25:56.260 Wait, I'm sorry.

04:25:57.540 We're getting a little hot.

04:25:58.700 Could we maybe turn the –

04:26:00.420 Yeah, yeah.

04:26:00.760 We'll open the –

04:26:01.440 Open.

04:26:02.120 Go ahead.

04:26:02.540 Thank you so much.

04:26:03.700 Just one door, please.

04:26:04.620 It's getting hard to think.

04:26:05.480 The patriarchy wants to frame men as these strong, better-than-women, more smarter, whatever.

04:26:14.560 Whatever you want to say, okay?

04:26:16.340 And then women are more fragile and they are –

04:26:20.320 Can we get a lint roller on her mic?

04:26:22.320 Some of her fluff from her thing.

04:26:25.220 Can we get a lint roller?

04:26:26.460 Oh, she – I think she – okay.

04:26:28.840 Beautiful.

04:26:29.960 Go ahead.

04:26:31.160 Oh, can you scoot your mic to the – like, to the edge of the table?

04:26:36.020 Like, scoot your mic a little closer?

04:26:38.920 No, scoot your mic closer.

04:26:41.700 Wait, can – but hold on.

04:26:43.060 You asked me to give you – can I get through my list of things?

04:26:47.580 Can I get through my list of things or – because you asked me a question.

04:26:51.800 I feel like I should respond.

04:26:54.140 You're not even letting me finish my point.

04:26:55.960 No, but you asked – I need to get through all mine before you give your rebuttal.

04:26:59.980 Let me just finish, okay?

04:27:00.940 Okay, then let me – give me space then to finish.

04:27:04.280 Go ahead.

04:27:05.860 Okay.

04:27:07.900 So, this was created by men and men inflicted it upon women, okay?

04:27:15.920 They wanted the traditional, oh, you stay at home, you take care of the kids, we do this,

04:27:22.060 we do that.

04:27:23.280 And so, when we are talking about this disparity and you're saying, oh, well, these men are

04:27:27.820 oppressed and they – I can't help but not really feel bad because, honestly, you guys

04:27:34.420 kind of inflicted it upon yourselves.

04:27:37.160 And then you're going to sit there and be like, okay, well, yeah, now we're forced to

04:27:41.520 join a gang and we're forced to be violent and we're forced to do this and we're forced

04:27:44.540 to do that.

04:27:44.980 But in reality, men did that to themselves.

04:27:50.800 They framed it that way.

04:27:51.900 They wanted women to stay home.

04:27:53.220 They wanted women to be passive.

04:27:55.400 They wanted women to do the domestic work and they go out and they get the money and

04:27:59.420 they're the ones that get to be violent and they're the ones that go to war.

04:28:03.540 And so, with that, I'm going to say, like, I feel bad but I'm sorry.

04:28:08.920 That's the way it was.

04:28:10.600 It was a system created for men by men.

04:28:13.340 And then if there are some problems with that system, then I don't know what to tell

04:28:20.660 you.

04:28:21.000 Yeah, but again, this is like, goes back to the inherited guilt.

04:28:25.780 Men are not a hive mind.

04:28:27.460 99% of men, 99.999% of men have no more power than does a woman in this country.

04:28:36.780 These systems preexist everybody who's lived.

04:28:40.120 These systems were basically set up for the powerful, for the elite, or rather by the powerful,

04:28:46.640 by the elite.

04:28:47.260 I mean, in terms of societal structure, yeah, things aren't perfect, although I'd push back.

04:28:54.660 Like, I think, you know, it's interesting to me.

04:28:57.280 At no other point in human history have women had more freedom, have had more rights, have had more privileges, have had more comfort, have had more access to education, have had all these benefits.

04:29:10.520 And it also, correspondingly and coincidingly, at no other point in human history have women had more hatred, more contempt for men.

04:29:23.380 At no other point in human history have women been less grateful for the bounty, which is almost exclusively bestowed upon you by benevolent men.

04:29:39.200 What are we talking about?

04:29:41.200 Well, I'm saying that you say, well, women are oppressed.

04:29:45.220 Women, by the way, I actually think it's, maybe you disagree.

04:29:48.420 Women have equal rights to men.

04:29:50.160 First off, women have completely equal rights to men.

04:29:53.380 If you disagree, perhaps we can get into that later.

04:29:56.520 Women have more freedom.

04:29:58.400 They have more choice.

04:29:59.600 They have more privilege, more benefits, more comfort.

04:30:03.420 And when, specifically on comfort, almost all the comforts that you and I, I'll be fared, and men enjoy is because of the genius and the labor of men.

04:30:17.200 Oh, goodness.

04:30:18.980 Look, the ingenuity of men, the genius of men, the labor of men.

04:30:23.380 It's okay.

04:30:24.300 She kicked the mic, whatever.

04:30:26.560 I didn't know.

04:30:27.080 All the things that you take for granted, everything you take for granted.

04:30:33.300 Oh, my God.

04:30:34.180 Everything you take for granted, I'm telling you.

04:30:37.640 Even in modern day, you might say that men.

04:30:41.180 Men, what did you say, men, the patriarchy, that men built the system, and then you add on to it for the benefit of men.

04:30:52.320 I reject the, for the benefit of the men.

04:30:55.420 I agree with you that men built the system.

04:30:58.120 Men built the entire infrastructure that allows all of us, including men, but especially including women, to have the most comfortable and prosperous and healthy lives, while perhaps health could be somewhat disputed in some regards, that has ever existed in all of human history.

04:31:16.660 And the complete ungratefulness of women.

04:31:20.200 Oh, my God.

04:31:21.340 You are.

04:31:21.960 I'm not being ridiculous.

04:31:23.240 You are.

04:31:23.640 At no other point in human history have women had so much contempt and hatred and disdain for men when it is due to men's genius and ingenuity and labor and physicality that has enabled women to live the most comfortable lives they've ever been able to live.

04:31:42.860 And there's a bottleneck.

04:31:44.460 There's a bottleneck to every cascading invention due to men's increased physicality.

04:31:50.720 Look, I know this sounds crazy.

04:31:52.320 Oh, it is.

04:31:53.820 In order to live in a skyscraper, there were cascading previous inventions that were necessitated on male strength, strength that women don't possess, that enabled us to build buildings far into the sky for you to live in comfortable, air-conditioned, not just live, but to have a job in a comfortable, air-conditioned office.

04:32:17.920 All of these comforts, it wasn't the evil patriarchy.

04:32:22.240 It was benevolent men who were just honestly typically low – maybe I don't want to say low class, but it was typically often like poor men who labored and built this country.

04:32:35.600 And you guys don't give a fuck.

04:32:38.040 You don't care.

04:32:38.840 It's through men's sacrifice, men's labor, men's genius, men's ingenuity.

04:32:45.720 Okay, so can I just – please stop.

04:32:47.560 This is like really starting to make me uncomfortable.

04:32:49.860 I don't see how – look, you've had a lot of time to dunk on men.

04:32:52.980 I would at least like a moment to perhaps bolster men in this conversation.

04:32:58.300 Okay, so do you think men would have been able to –

04:33:00.760 I think there's a complete lack of gratitude, complete lack of gratitude.

04:33:03.860 We have – and by the way, the benevolent nature of men, majority of men are great.

04:33:07.700 Oh, you guys are so benevolent.

04:33:08.920 We're absolutely benevolent.

04:33:10.300 We're absolutely benevolent.

04:33:11.760 But I think it's a complete overlooking of the historical reality that through men's labor, yes, we have created all the comforts that you so ungratefully take for granted, I guess you could say.

04:33:26.000 Okay, and I find it kind of disgusting.

04:33:29.220 Like I find – I'm not saying you're disgusting, but I find this lack of appreciation completely disgusting.

04:33:34.500 So do you have appreciation for the women that – for women that birth men?

04:33:38.580 Yes.

04:33:38.820 Do you think men would even be here or exist if it was not women who birthed them?

04:33:43.720 Yes, absolutely.

04:33:44.440 Do you think men would be able to build those fancy skyscrapers you talk about if women didn't birth them and endure months of carrying a child and pushing them out into the world?

04:33:55.380 It takes two to have a child.

04:33:56.900 Okay, I know, but I understand that.

04:33:59.220 But I'm saying if a woman didn't want to have a child, would we get those fancy skyscrapers?

04:34:05.560 If women were not sacrificing their bodies to have children, would we get those fancy skyscrapers?

04:34:10.460 Men are sacrificing their bodies through the labor.

04:34:11.460 So I just – this whole argument of, oh, women should be grateful and do this, no.

04:34:16.180 Yeah, but men are grateful for women.

04:34:18.560 Not a lot, no.

04:34:19.820 Well, I am.

04:34:20.480 Okay, I'm glad that you personally are, but –

04:34:23.400 The difference between me and you is if you were to call me a misogynist, I would reject the label.

04:34:28.140 If I were to call you a misandrist, you would smile and smirk and rightfully –

04:34:31.680 No, I don't hate all men.

04:34:34.040 Hold on.

04:34:34.660 You said all men like suck or whatever.

04:34:36.580 I said most men suck.

04:34:38.340 You would rightfully embrace the label of misandrist.

04:34:41.900 That's the difference between me.

04:34:43.420 Did I ever embrace that?

04:34:45.080 I think you're misandrist.

04:34:45.940 I think you're just trying to categorize me.

04:34:50.680 Are you sure about that?

04:34:53.980 Have I openly said I'm a misandrist or did you place that on me?

04:34:56.760 Are you a misandrist?

04:34:57.740 I mean –

04:34:57.920 I just said I don't hate all men.

04:35:00.480 Do you hate most men?

04:35:05.280 Hate is a strong word.

04:35:06.660 I don't hate anyone.

04:35:09.020 So you don't – there's no men that you hate?

04:35:13.120 I think hate is a very strong word.

04:35:15.020 Do I dislike their behavior?

04:35:18.780 Well, of course, bad behavior ought to be disliked.

04:35:22.240 But I do think you have a sort of general –

04:35:26.020 Yes, I do.

04:35:27.680 But I do – I want to get back to this point here that you're talking about, about like needing to be grateful, et cetera.

04:35:34.000 It's funny because, okay, sure, men were out there building those skyscrapers.

04:35:38.200 But who was at home, who was nurturing the kids, who was birthing the children, who was carrying them, right?

04:35:44.160 If men did not have women taking care of the homes, doing all of that, men would not have been able to work.

04:35:52.580 And genuinely, the population would not have grown at all.

04:35:58.000 We wouldn't even have the labor force that we have today.

04:36:00.420 So if we're saying great – should –

04:36:03.500 Women should be appreciated for that, absolutely.

04:36:07.560 And, you know, they – it has an impact on their body.

04:36:11.200 It's going through pregnancy.

04:36:15.440 It's not some easy, smooth-sailing thing.

04:36:20.040 And women should be appreciated for it.

04:36:23.400 My issue, though, my position is I have a sense among feminists that there is a complete lack and disregard for all of the contributions of men.

04:36:37.460 I can sit here and say women have absolutely contributed.

04:36:40.240 You cited – it's interesting that you actually cite to childbirth.

04:36:44.480 But, yes, I think men, and at least me, that's a wonderful contribution that women have made and will continue to make.

04:36:56.680 And I hold no, like, generalized resentment.

04:37:00.520 I'll get you in just a second.

04:37:01.300 Because you don't have a reason to hold resentment.

04:37:03.140 Ah, so you're saying that there is justification for –

04:37:08.140 So what is the justification for, like, generalized resentment towards men?

04:37:13.560 So do you know what an apex predator is?

04:37:20.040 You're about to say some sex shit, but go ahead.

04:37:23.940 No, I'm not.

04:37:24.920 Okay, tell me.

04:37:25.520 I would say that women's greatest danger is a man.

04:37:35.200 And I think when it comes to violence inflicted upon them, I think when it comes to, like, having a domestic partner who is a man,

04:37:43.540 when it comes to sexual assault, sexual harassment, all of that, the greatest threat to women is men, right?

04:37:54.820 And so because of that, of course, there will be resentment there.

04:37:59.220 I mean, I would like to see, like, a breakdown of statistics, but I would say that –

04:38:04.800 Sure, I'm sure you can find statistics.

04:38:06.960 Come on now.

04:38:07.340 I'm not denying that women are victimized by men.

04:38:09.460 There's no denying that.

04:38:10.000 Like, come on.

04:38:11.160 No, but hold on.

04:38:12.100 You say, like, the number – I would, like, probably point to, like, various health problems, illnesses, cancer, like, dying of old age.

04:38:18.340 Okay, yeah, certainly, certainly.

04:38:19.900 But I'm not talking about – I'm not talking about nature.

04:38:22.840 That's not what I'm talking about.

04:38:24.020 I'm talking about predator in terms of –

04:38:25.440 So is nature the number one predator, I guess?

04:38:27.380 Okay, that's not –

04:38:27.580 I don't know.

04:38:28.760 Come on.

04:38:29.300 Don't you think it's like –

04:38:29.580 You know what I'm saying.

04:38:30.360 I believe that you're smart enough to understand the argument.

04:38:34.100 So, okay.

04:38:34.980 I would hope.

04:38:35.420 It's like – but even if it's the – yes, absolutely.

04:38:39.100 Men do bad things to women.

04:38:40.380 There's no disputing that.

04:38:41.680 But you're saying that men are apex predators.

04:38:44.320 That's, like, an – that's incredibly sexist.

04:38:46.340 There's no getting around that.

04:38:47.460 Why is that sexist?

04:38:50.080 If I – okay, here.

04:38:51.260 Let's try this.

04:38:52.420 Let's replace –

04:38:53.580 If someone were to say black people are apex predators, would you find that racist?

04:39:02.720 Okay.

04:39:03.740 I'm going to explain this to you.

04:39:05.200 I'm just going to explain it to you because you're not getting it.

04:39:07.520 No, no.

04:39:07.620 I'm getting it.

04:39:08.400 No, you're not.

04:39:08.820 So here's what you're going to do.

04:39:09.880 No, no.

04:39:10.240 Wait, wait, wait.

04:39:11.080 Can I –

04:39:11.440 A race does not make you more –

04:39:14.120 It does not make you more productive.

04:39:17.360 It does not make you –

04:39:18.900 Oh, are we going to get into this argument?

04:39:21.080 Hold on.

04:39:21.600 So here's what you're going to do.

04:39:22.980 You're going to say –

04:39:23.260 Are we going to talk –

04:39:24.000 So –

04:39:24.220 No, no.

04:39:24.540 Hold on.

04:39:24.940 This is what you're going to do.

04:39:26.100 And look.

04:39:27.280 You're going to say – and you might even be able to cite to correct statistics.

04:39:31.560 And I'm going to go ahead and grant that, yes, men, at least as it relates to crime statistics,

04:39:37.660 yes, men are overrepresented as compared to women.

04:39:40.980 Men are convicted of more violent crimes than women are, right?

04:39:44.120 You're going to say that.

04:39:45.600 And then you're going to say you as an individual and other individual women, they've all had

04:39:51.500 or most of them have had bad experiences with men.

04:39:55.020 And then you're going to say –

04:39:56.260 Oh, my God.

04:39:56.740 Don't tell me what I'm going to say.

04:39:57.880 Hold on.

04:39:58.120 You don't know what I'm going to say.

04:39:58.800 This is your position.

04:39:59.780 You don't know what I'm going to say.

04:40:00.960 Hold on.

04:40:01.460 But is it not your position?

04:40:02.700 So you're going to say, well, because of these crime statistics and because I had bad

04:40:08.620 experiences with men, I can basically be sexist towards men.

04:40:15.400 Now, congratulations.

04:40:16.880 Using your own framework, using your own metric, you've enabled really racist white people to say,

04:40:25.420 well, hold on.

04:40:25.760 Oh, that has nothing to do with that.

04:40:27.580 No, it doesn't.

04:40:28.900 Yes, hold on.

04:40:29.360 Let me finish.

04:40:30.560 A white person can say, you know what?

04:40:34.980 I've had bad experiences with this racial group.

04:40:37.200 And hold on.

04:40:38.720 Crime statistics seem to indicate that this racial group is overrepresented.

04:40:44.800 Okay.

04:40:45.080 I'm not talking about race.

04:40:46.480 I'm talking about gender.

04:40:48.020 It's an extension of your logic.

04:40:49.380 No, it's not an extension of my logic.

04:40:50.760 It's absolutely coherent.

04:40:52.700 Let me just finish.

04:40:53.840 So if a white person can point to crime statistics that would say this racial group commits more

04:40:59.040 violent crime than my racial group, you've just opened the door to racism and justifying

04:41:04.780 racism.

04:41:05.480 Oh, wow.

04:41:06.180 Really?

04:41:06.660 The difference between me and you is, is that I would think, for example, even if these crime

04:41:11.920 statistics are true, and they are, that you would not, it would be racist to then map

04:41:17.540 that on to all people or most people of that racial group.

04:41:22.540 You cannot attribute a minority of a group who are, who are, you know, doing bad things

04:41:28.400 or really terrible crimes or really terrible crimes for anyone.

04:41:31.660 If they're committing these violent crimes, you cannot map that on to all members or most

04:41:38.400 members of that group.

04:41:39.280 That would be racism.

04:41:40.280 That would be racism.

04:41:41.280 That would be racism.

04:41:42.280 However, with you, where we differ, when I can point and say that would be wrong to do

04:41:46.980 with women, it would be wrong to do with racial groups, you seem to make a justification that it is okay to do that as it relates to judging

04:41:55.480 men as a group.

04:41:56.980 You cannot, it's essentially basically an apex fallacy.

04:42:00.920 You can't, okay, a small proportion of the group does a bad thing.

04:42:05.340 Sure.

04:42:06.120 Absolutely.

04:42:07.220 That you can't then say, draw from that and say, well, then all men are bad or most men

04:42:14.060 are bad.

04:42:15.180 That's sexist.

04:42:16.300 Okay, CEO of not understanding my point.

04:42:22.780 You are choosing to understand me.

04:42:26.200 You are choosing to misunderstand.

04:42:27.580 So, okay.

04:42:28.140 Did you or did you not say men are apex predators?

04:42:30.080 Yes, so I'm actually going to explain right now.

04:42:32.440 Say it back to me.

04:42:33.720 Are men apex predators?

04:42:35.360 To women?

04:42:36.600 Yeah.

04:42:37.020 Yes.

04:42:38.000 That's a really sexist statement, but go ahead, defend it.

04:42:40.560 So, what I was trying to say before you interrupted me with an example that does not,

04:42:46.300 correlate to anything I am trying to say.

04:42:49.000 It parses, but okay.

04:42:50.040 No, it doesn't.

04:42:50.880 It parses, but okay.

04:42:51.940 It does not.

04:42:52.960 And I'm about to explain why.

04:42:53.900 Wait, show of hands, does it parse?

04:42:56.860 What I'm saying, does it parse?

04:42:59.020 Does it make sense to you?

04:43:01.060 I don't know.

04:43:01.760 That's a lot of women who disagree.

04:43:03.920 I mean, she's your home goal, I guess.

04:43:05.480 I get what she's saying, too, though.

04:43:06.140 But I think that there just needs to be.

04:43:08.100 Oh, can I have you scoot your mic this way?

04:43:09.580 Yes.

04:43:11.480 Go ahead.

04:43:12.060 Do you want to finish your point?

04:43:13.080 I didn't even get to finish my list of all the ways in which men have been

04:43:16.300 kind of it bad.

04:43:17.200 Oh, my God.

04:43:19.540 Well, I guess George wants to say something.

04:43:21.300 So, a message from the government of Canada.

04:43:22.840 Sorry for the delay.

04:43:23.580 Hastie George donated $200.04.

04:43:27.700 As for gooning, women's PDF is on the rise,

04:43:30.500 and women's weird BDSM and fetish books are trending,

04:43:33.600 including non-human taboo.

04:43:35.780 Check out female gooners must be stopped by shoe and head,

04:43:39.060 who is a woman.

04:43:39.380 Oh, yeah.

04:43:39.720 Women do all kinds of gooning.

04:43:41.420 It's crazy, bruh.

04:43:42.300 Yeah.

04:43:42.880 Bruh.

04:43:43.300 Sorry.

04:43:43.900 That was cringe.

04:43:44.740 My bad.

04:43:46.100 Do you want to finish your point?

04:43:47.420 Go ahead.

04:43:48.760 Okay.

04:43:49.320 Do you have any other, like, strange comments to show me?

04:43:52.940 Sure.

04:43:53.560 I mean, why not?

04:43:54.560 Essie, can you read this one?

04:43:56.840 Chair one, how do you reconcile your feminism with Islam

04:43:59.640 when the Quran itself allows for polygamy?

04:44:02.860 Anissa 4-3, an established man has asquaman,

04:44:09.300 maintenance, with authority over woman.

04:44:12.220 Anissa 4-3-4.

04:44:14.260 Sorry, I can't read that.

04:44:15.960 Okay.

04:44:16.660 So this is, oh, my God.

04:44:20.320 Okay.

04:44:20.720 This is, like, a whole other topic.

04:44:22.520 But what I'm going to address this quickly.

04:44:24.820 What I'm going to say on this point is that polygamy has been around for centuries.

04:44:33.140 And am I necessarily saying that now I agree with polygamy in this historical,

04:44:39.040 or in this time frame that we are currently in?

04:44:42.080 I disagree with it.

04:44:43.820 At the time that the Quran was revealed,

04:44:46.960 do I think that it may have been a necessity at the time?

04:44:50.220 Sure.

04:44:50.620 Especially where women's rights were.

04:44:53.640 So that is more nuanced than just, oh, polygamy.

04:44:58.900 Your religion allows polygamy, therefore it is sexist.

04:45:04.360 All right.

04:45:05.280 Okay.

04:45:05.700 Shall I respond to your question?

04:45:07.480 No, I do not.

04:45:07.820 I'm a little shell-shocked.

04:45:08.960 Okay, what are you shocked about?

04:45:10.380 And I do want to try to bring in some of the other panelists here soon,

04:45:13.320 because I feel like it's been a...

04:45:14.940 Okay, then go ahead.

04:45:16.320 Okay, well, then really quickly, I'm going to respond to your thing.

04:45:18.220 Okay, wait, I'm not done with my point.

04:45:19.580 But what I...

04:45:20.820 Okay, here, I'll say it quickly.

04:45:22.520 Oh, my God.

04:45:23.380 So what I'm going to say to this is,

04:45:27.240 when we are addressing the apex predator issue,

04:45:32.340 men, when it comes to people,

04:45:35.520 when it comes to non-natural causes,

04:45:38.580 men harm women the most.

04:45:41.020 And part of that is due to the fact that they are advantaged physically.

04:45:46.460 Most men can physically overpower women.

04:45:49.080 But he agreed with that.

04:45:51.220 Okay, I'm not done with my point.

04:45:52.920 Sorry.

04:45:53.500 I didn't.

04:45:53.920 So when you try to tie that fallacy,

04:45:57.860 which most of your argument was about race,

04:46:00.040 and when you try to tie it to race and make this and make...

04:46:02.320 It's not fallacious.

04:46:02.360 No, no, no, no, no.

04:46:03.180 It's not...

04:46:03.560 It's...

04:46:03.960 The point that I'm making here is,

04:46:06.300 if we are talking about race,

04:46:08.420 one race is not arguably and much, much, much stronger

04:46:13.020 to the degree that a man can overpower a woman, okay?

04:46:18.080 Yeah, that would just relate to capacity.

04:46:20.280 So...

04:46:20.840 That would just be about capacity.

04:46:22.360 Okay, so what I'm saying here is that,

04:46:24.560 no, the race thing makes absolutely no sense.

04:46:27.260 Because if we have statistical proof and evidence

04:46:29.580 that if women are harmed other than by nature,

04:46:34.980 it will come from a man.

04:46:36.980 We cannot say, oh, yeah,

04:46:38.500 women have no reason to be afraid of men

04:46:40.960 or scared of men or assume that they are harmful.

04:46:43.440 Because in nature,

04:46:45.000 if you have an apex predator,

04:46:47.040 of course you're going to assume the worst from them.

04:46:49.080 A deer isn't going to go lay with its belly open to a tiger

04:46:52.400 and not assume that it's going to harm it.

04:46:56.240 I saw the TikTok.

04:46:57.900 But every tiger eats deer,

04:46:59.200 not every man grapes women, so...

04:47:01.400 So it's basically just harmful gender essentialism.

04:47:05.580 So it implies that men or most men are violent,

04:47:10.340 they are predatory.

04:47:11.580 I completely reject this.

04:47:13.400 There are some men who are violent,

04:47:15.120 some men who are predatory.

04:47:15.860 Yeah, and you don't know which man is and which man isn't.

04:47:18.280 So therefore you must proceed with caution.

04:47:19.320 But imagine like a racist saying,

04:47:21.420 you don't know which black person...

04:47:24.800 Okay, that's...

04:47:25.160 You don't know.

04:47:25.780 Like that would be racist.

04:47:26.480 That doesn't...

04:47:27.200 That's racist.

04:47:28.400 You're sexist then.

04:47:29.840 No.

04:47:30.560 Oh my goodness.

04:47:32.560 You go.

04:47:33.220 No, no.

04:47:33.460 I'm interrupting.

04:47:34.300 You're implying that being a predator

04:47:36.860 is like a natural inherent trait of men.

04:47:41.400 And if these are negative,

04:47:42.580 if there's a negative connotation there,

04:47:44.440 I don't know how you get around it being like,

04:47:46.840 like that men are biologically destined to...

04:47:51.420 I'm not saying that they're biologically destined.

04:47:54.180 I'm not...

04:47:54.560 It's sexist because you're reducing men

04:47:57.160 to like some single negative trait.

04:48:00.180 Mm-hmm.

04:48:00.760 Okay.

04:48:01.660 It also denies the diversity of male behavior.

04:48:06.360 I am not saying that inherently...

04:48:10.840 You called men apex predators.

04:48:14.680 You are saying inherently...

04:48:16.240 Okay, then sure.

04:48:17.560 I think if we're going back in history,

04:48:20.600 yes, there has been a lot and a lot

04:48:22.520 and a lot of violence inflicted upon women

04:48:24.580 at the hands of men.

04:48:25.960 Sure.

04:48:26.140 And there are a lot of men

04:48:28.380 that are extremely violent

04:48:29.880 and do have the capacity to do that.

04:48:32.180 But am I going to say,

04:48:33.460 oh, every single man is going to do that?

04:48:35.120 No, I'm not.

04:48:35.720 You're going to say the majority of men though,

04:48:37.660 which is where I still take issue.

04:48:39.840 I don't think she's going to change her mind.

04:48:42.880 I think if you demonize men,

04:48:44.220 you demonize women, it's sexist.

04:48:46.600 You demonize men, it's sexist.

04:48:48.580 I feel like the apex predator conversation

04:48:51.080 is such an over-complication

04:48:53.040 of a simple statement,

04:48:54.320 which is like,

04:48:55.340 oh, as a woman,

04:48:56.500 you have to be careful

04:48:57.280 which men you hang around.

04:48:59.160 He could kill you.

04:49:00.360 It's like obvious.

04:49:01.220 Don't be naive.

04:49:01.560 But that's just so commonsensical.

04:49:04.160 I think that...

04:49:04.960 Why is that the point?

04:49:07.120 Yeah, I think that...

04:49:07.980 But I do think that being discriminatory

04:49:09.700 towards men based on their sex,

04:49:11.640 it's prejudice

04:49:12.240 and it's harmful to society

04:49:13.960 because you're promoting hatred,

04:49:15.920 you're promoting the act of...

04:49:17.860 It's not productive.

04:49:18.620 Yeah.

04:49:18.920 It's not productive.

04:49:19.820 Well, you're encouraging hate crimes against men

04:49:21.700 because you're basically saying that

04:49:23.080 you can't be sexist towards men

04:49:24.940 because they're in a position of power.

04:49:26.340 But it is possible.

04:49:27.460 There absolutely is ways to be sexist to men

04:49:29.320 that are unprovoked.

04:49:30.340 I think there's a way

04:49:31.160 on an individual level

04:49:32.400 to acknowledge

04:49:33.280 individualistic safety concerns

04:49:36.080 and move through the world

04:49:37.680 in a way that is going to, like,

04:49:39.740 mitigate your potential risks.

04:49:43.000 However, when you start, like...

04:49:45.840 Did I just fucking bird hand?

04:49:47.480 Fuck.

04:49:48.360 I just did.

04:49:49.480 Yikes.

04:49:50.080 Clip it and ship it, boys.

04:49:51.940 I think that the issue stems from

04:49:54.480 if you then use it

04:49:57.820 as, like, a cudgel

04:49:59.620 to, like, bash men

04:50:01.440 or, like, to create a stigma...

04:50:04.000 Yeah, there's no reason to do that.

04:50:05.260 Then we're getting into this territory.

04:50:07.160 Like, I think it's fair to take precautions

04:50:08.640 if you're, like, going on a date.

04:50:10.600 I mean, even our fathers tell us, you know...

04:50:12.000 You're going on a date.

04:50:12.860 Like, okay, meet somewhere in public

04:50:15.520 or whatever.

04:50:16.460 And, like, you know, whatever.

04:50:17.520 You can take precautions.

04:50:18.940 And I don't think that that's necessarily...

04:50:21.480 Like, I don't think that's, like,

04:50:24.480 creating harm.

04:50:25.660 But when you start propagating in society,

04:50:29.220 like, hey, wow, men are bad.

04:50:31.920 Men are evil.

04:50:32.880 Like, I think that that does a lot of harm to men.

04:50:35.080 I agree.

04:50:35.400 And I actually think it harms women because...

04:50:37.080 It harms women a lot.

04:50:38.240 A lot.

04:50:38.840 Like, it's going to harm...

04:50:39.660 Like, look, ultimately,

04:50:41.600 if you basically teach women

04:50:43.080 to, like, have this, like,

04:50:45.500 seething hatred or contempt for men,

04:50:48.020 like, that's going to be

04:50:48.800 completely catastrophic

04:50:49.860 to your friendships,

04:50:52.020 which I guess you're against

04:50:53.320 men and women being friends.

04:50:56.860 It's catastrophic to your friendships.

04:50:59.220 Catastrophic to your familial relationships.

04:51:01.780 And catastrophic especially

04:51:03.440 to romantic relationships.

04:51:05.460 Completely catastrophic.

04:51:07.400 I think we can take

04:51:09.120 individualistic safety precautions

04:51:10.980 and not, like, go ahead and map

04:51:13.080 this on, like, bad things

04:51:14.660 that have happened to you

04:51:15.580 or other women

04:51:16.500 and then just, like, map it on

04:51:18.040 to an entire gender.

04:51:19.180 Much in the same way

04:51:20.080 that we would object

04:51:20.920 to mapping on one's bad experiences

04:51:23.420 with, like, a person of X group

04:51:25.100 and not being like,

04:51:26.460 hey, we're against saying, like,

04:51:28.580 all people from this group are bad.

04:51:30.580 And it's crazy.

04:51:31.500 We even have to have

04:51:32.120 this conversation.

04:51:33.020 I don't know.

04:51:33.600 Shit.

04:51:34.140 Yeah, I think it should be

04:51:34.900 pretty easy for us to, you know,

04:51:36.600 empathize with each other's

04:51:37.660 suffering on both ends.

04:51:39.400 But it doesn't seem that simple

04:51:40.700 at the end of the day.

04:51:41.940 You know, Brian actually

04:51:43.060 asked a question earlier

04:51:44.120 that I wanted to go back

04:51:45.560 to a little bit.

04:51:46.240 It was what makes women

04:51:50.560 talking about, like,

04:51:52.740 men sucking different

04:51:54.040 than when men talk about

04:51:56.360 when women suck.

04:51:57.200 Yeah.

04:51:57.420 And again, I don't think

04:51:58.240 there's a difference, really.

04:51:59.240 Yeah.

04:51:59.540 But I do think that

04:52:01.200 in a lot of the contexts

04:52:02.640 I've seen that situation,

04:52:04.800 a woman will bring up

04:52:05.840 an issue that she has

04:52:07.300 and then instead of empathizing

04:52:10.000 and just, like,

04:52:10.940 continuing the conversation

04:52:11.820 from there,

04:52:12.900 a man will be like,

04:52:13.840 oh, but what about

04:52:15.880 our suicide rates?

04:52:17.400 What about, you know,

04:52:18.000 like, I think,

04:52:19.100 and that goes for women, too.

04:52:20.040 Like, if you are using

04:52:21.120 your experiences

04:52:22.880 and your trauma

04:52:23.780 or whatever you've gone through

04:52:25.340 as a way to put

04:52:26.340 somebody else down,

04:52:27.800 it's kind of pointless

04:52:28.680 and really unproductive.

04:52:30.240 Right.

04:52:30.760 I think it becomes an issue

04:52:31.620 when it starts to target

04:52:32.500 a specific group

04:52:34.000 or demographic

04:52:34.720 and not when it's just, like,

04:52:35.940 an overgeneralized opinion

04:52:37.160 about people in general.

04:52:38.320 Like, oh, you know,

04:52:39.020 sometimes people suck,

04:52:40.300 but when it boils down

04:52:41.240 to men suck.

04:52:42.200 Yeah, I don't think

04:52:43.020 it's productive.

04:52:43.980 All right.

04:52:44.460 Spicy Tirmisu,

04:52:45.200 I don't know

04:52:45.780 what is worse,

04:52:46.460 the hot garbage

04:52:47.440 spewing from chair one's mouth

04:52:49.700 or the fact that

04:52:50.380 there are a handful

04:52:51.860 of women on this panel

04:52:52.740 nodding in agreement,

04:52:54.000 like maybe chair three,

04:52:55.440 chair four also.

04:52:57.080 Yeah, I mean,

04:52:57.960 they're not saying it,

04:52:58.840 but they agree

04:52:59.240 with that shit.

04:53:00.460 David,

04:53:01.820 Tirmisu,

04:53:02.600 thank you, man.

04:53:03.260 David,

04:53:03.720 women use makeup filters

04:53:04.800 to childishly consolidate

04:53:06.860 the top men

04:53:07.600 they all want.

04:53:08.700 Why do women come on

04:53:09.660 whatever to brag

04:53:10.320 about billionaire guys,

04:53:11.540 total lies?

04:53:12.220 Come on,

04:53:13.180 no woman on whatever

04:53:14.380 ever had a billionaire

04:53:15.200 that is peacocking.

04:53:16.400 Peace out.

04:53:18.000 Yeah, I know

04:53:18.600 who you're talking about.

04:53:19.220 That's probably true,

04:53:19.900 David.

04:53:20.480 Thank you, man.

04:53:21.200 Vernad,

04:53:21.700 Verna Deezer,

04:53:23.040 Canadian.

04:53:24.140 Essie,

04:53:24.420 can you read this one?

04:53:25.760 When someone says

04:53:26.480 men hurt women,

04:53:27.460 it ignores the fact

04:53:28.340 that the only reason

04:53:29.260 that women is being

04:53:29.980 protected at all

04:53:31.520 is because other men

04:53:32.420 step in to stop

04:53:33.100 the harmful man.

04:53:34.460 If men as a group

04:53:35.460 were inherently harmful,

04:53:37.060 then there would be

04:53:37.700 no men defending women

04:53:38.640 from other men.

04:53:39.840 Yeah, you know,

04:53:40.400 like...

04:53:41.000 Have you heard of a gun?

04:53:43.000 A gun?

04:53:44.380 Well, okay, I mean...

04:53:45.620 Come on,

04:53:46.080 it's not always

04:53:46.700 men defending women.

04:53:47.800 A lot of times

04:53:48.340 they could also be

04:53:49.140 self-depress.

04:53:49.380 Hold on.

04:53:49.960 So the majority,

04:53:51.060 look,

04:53:51.540 men get a lot of flack,

04:53:53.040 but I think,

04:53:53.640 you know,

04:53:53.980 also in terms of

04:53:54.940 what I was talking about

04:53:55.720 earlier with the lack

04:53:56.700 of gratitude,

04:53:57.700 when it comes to

04:53:58.780 acts of bravery,

04:54:00.080 acts of heroism,

04:54:01.520 men are very much

04:54:02.540 overrepresented there.

04:54:04.400 When you see some

04:54:05.280 like natural disaster,

04:54:06.680 you look at the flooding

04:54:07.980 that happened in Texas,

04:54:09.600 it's a man carrying

04:54:10.620 some old grandma.

04:54:11.620 It's a man going

04:54:12.500 into the rushing waters

04:54:14.320 and grabbing a dog

04:54:15.840 or a man saving kids

04:54:17.940 or a man saving women.

04:54:19.360 You don't see women

04:54:20.320 like wholesale,

04:54:21.680 like,

04:54:22.160 yeah,

04:54:22.420 we're going to rescue people.

04:54:23.940 So I think

04:54:24.320 you need to balance

04:54:25.680 your like...

04:54:26.760 Men are so horrible

04:54:27.700 in all these ways.

04:54:28.700 What about male bravery?

04:54:30.120 What about male courage?

04:54:31.800 What about...

04:54:32.580 I don't know why you're lying.

04:54:34.180 Like,

04:54:34.480 almost all acts of...

04:54:36.260 The vast majority

04:54:37.160 of acts of bravery

04:54:38.200 and courage

04:54:39.240 and life-saving

04:54:40.200 and emergency-saving.

04:54:41.800 It's men.

04:54:43.260 Where's the gratitude there?

04:54:45.440 Firemen.

04:54:46.640 Predominantly men.

04:54:49.780 I think there's

04:54:50.580 a complete lack of like...

04:54:52.560 Look,

04:54:52.960 yeah,

04:54:53.200 there's some...

04:54:53.700 There's bad men out there.

04:54:55.240 They've done bad things.

04:54:56.180 But what about

04:54:56.700 all the like

04:54:57.920 great things men do?

04:54:59.120 Not even in life-saving situations.

04:55:01.420 What about just like

04:55:02.320 the...

04:55:03.320 Even...

04:55:04.000 You might laugh at this.

04:55:04.900 Just the plumbers.

04:55:06.700 There's not a lot of...

04:55:06.900 Why would I laugh at that?

04:55:08.220 I don't know.

04:55:08.700 You might be like,

04:55:09.260 that's silly, Brian.

04:55:10.080 That's kind of minuscule.

04:55:11.860 I mean,

04:55:12.580 shit,

04:55:13.340 literally,

04:55:13.820 no pun intended,

04:55:14.980 would hit the fan

04:55:15.880 if we didn't have people

04:55:17.660 who...

04:55:18.500 It's almost men

04:55:19.420 who do the dirty,

04:55:20.400 dangerous,

04:55:21.060 gross,

04:55:22.740 hazardous jobs.

04:55:24.100 Like,

04:55:24.360 I don't think you understand

04:55:25.760 if all...

04:55:27.360 Like waste...

04:55:32.000 Like literally...

04:55:32.560 Garbage men.

04:55:33.300 If they just stopped,

04:55:34.720 like that shit piles up

04:55:35.820 and shit gets really uncomfortable.

04:55:38.180 And there was a...

04:55:39.120 I don't know if it was recently

04:55:40.240 or maybe it was a couple years back,

04:55:44.260 but there were garbage men

04:55:45.820 who go on strike

04:55:46.560 and trust me,

04:55:48.040 shit gets really uncomfortable

04:55:49.480 when trash isn't being collected.

04:55:51.880 And like all these little pieces

04:55:53.920 of infrastructure

04:55:54.680 that exist in this country,

04:55:56.140 which are...

04:55:57.100 It's like 99% men

04:55:58.540 who are doing these

04:55:59.280 like critical infrastructure jobs.

04:56:02.620 Like,

04:56:03.440 you can thank men

04:56:04.740 the lights that are on.

04:56:07.180 Look,

04:56:07.620 we live in Southern California.

04:56:08.800 It doesn't get too cold,

04:56:09.900 but you live in like a cold region

04:56:11.940 in the United States.

04:56:13.880 Yeah.

04:56:14.660 The electrical grid,

04:56:16.180 the electrical system,

04:56:17.780 that's like...

04:56:19.100 When it's fucking snowstorming

04:56:21.560 and there's a catastrophic breakdown

04:56:24.880 and, you know,

04:56:26.000 the power grid failure

04:56:28.400 or utility pole collapses

04:56:33.400 or whatever,

04:56:34.240 it's not some five-foot-two woman

04:56:36.500 going out at 3 a.m.

04:56:38.180 in the snow,

04:56:39.140 in the rain,

04:56:39.800 in the hazard.

04:56:41.260 It's a man who's going to get that back on.

04:56:43.780 And there's a complete lack of gratefulness

04:56:46.000 for the sacrifices men make

04:56:47.700 and how men really...

04:56:49.640 Yeah, you don't like to hear it.

04:56:50.920 I get it.

04:56:51.320 You don't like to hear it.

04:56:53.020 All this critical infrastructure,

04:56:55.200 if men just disappeared,

04:56:57.260 if men...

04:56:57.760 You might like that, right?

04:56:58.640 Would you like men to disappear

04:56:59.980 if you could?

04:57:01.160 Did I say that?

04:57:02.160 I'm asking you.

04:57:03.040 You didn't say it.

04:57:03.840 I'm asking you.

04:57:05.460 Do you think the world

04:57:06.620 would be better without men?

04:57:07.620 Do you have an answer?

04:57:14.760 Do I think the world

04:57:15.420 would be better without men?

04:57:17.280 Like, assuming women

04:57:18.240 could, like,

04:57:18.920 asexually reproduce

04:57:19.900 or whatever.

04:57:21.980 So you could, like,

04:57:22.820 not...

04:57:23.240 The species doesn't die.

04:57:24.640 If I could, like,

04:57:25.200 choose to live in, like,

04:57:26.600 a world with just women...

04:57:28.760 Yeah.

04:57:29.680 I think I probably would.

04:57:30.780 I think that'd be cool.

04:57:31.360 Okay, what about you?

04:57:33.040 Ask again the question.

04:57:34.560 Bro, what the fuck?

04:57:35.840 I'm just associating.

04:57:37.700 Okay, would...

04:57:38.700 Would you prefer to...

04:57:40.620 I mean, come on, yeah.

04:57:41.400 Calm down, down.

04:57:42.740 Bro, I mean...

04:57:43.200 Why is that, like...

04:57:44.140 The conversation...

04:57:44.940 Pay attention.

04:57:45.560 Okay, the conversation

04:57:46.460 has been going on

04:57:47.660 for so long.

04:57:48.400 Come on.

04:57:48.620 It's going to continue.

04:57:49.680 The question is...

04:57:50.280 Like, I'm saying

04:57:50.780 you can't be mad

04:57:51.400 because someone did that.

04:57:51.980 Would you prefer...

04:57:52.940 Would you prefer to

04:57:53.940 live in a world

04:57:55.040 without men?

04:57:56.580 I like men.

04:57:57.420 I like men and women.

04:57:58.180 Okay, your answer?

04:58:00.000 Probably.

04:58:02.160 It's also interesting.

04:58:03.200 Like, if somebody asked me,

04:58:04.500 Brian, would you prefer

04:58:05.100 to live with...

04:58:05.520 Like, immediately...

04:58:06.420 Of course you wouldn't

04:58:07.360 want to live with other men.

04:58:09.220 Right, because I'm not

04:58:09.840 a sexist like you.

04:58:10.780 No, because who wants

04:58:12.140 to live with other men?

04:58:12.660 Why do you have to

04:58:13.220 think about that, by the way?

04:58:14.420 Why is there even a pause?

04:58:15.740 Like, it just demonstrates...

04:58:17.700 I can't think.

04:58:18.540 Hold on.

04:58:18.900 It's literally some, like, insane...

04:58:20.840 Oh, so I can't think.

04:58:21.960 I just need to, like,

04:58:22.760 have all my answers,

04:58:23.920 like, on dock for you.

04:58:24.800 Well, I feel like...

04:58:25.540 I feel like certain answers

04:58:27.360 would beget, like,

04:58:28.980 an instantaneous...

04:58:30.000 Okay, well, this wasn't a...

04:58:31.140 Of course I wouldn't want

04:58:31.900 to get rid of all men.

04:58:33.200 Oh.

04:58:33.660 If you could snap your fingers,

04:58:35.800 like, you had the power

04:58:36.880 to do it,

04:58:37.520 to get rid of all men,

04:58:38.780 would you do it?

04:58:39.280 I would need to think on it.

04:58:41.540 That's a big decision.

04:58:44.260 But just to be clear,

04:58:45.220 the knee-jerk reaction is not...

04:58:47.720 Whoa, that's terrible.

04:58:49.180 Of course I wouldn't get rid

04:58:50.000 of all men.

04:58:50.900 That's not your knee-jerk reaction?

04:58:53.340 I get that you'd have to think

04:58:54.780 about it.

04:58:55.020 Like, are we talking about,

04:58:55.820 like, oh, men just never existed?

04:59:01.280 Men did exist,

04:59:02.440 but you snap your finger

04:59:03.580 and they're all gone,

04:59:04.520 and women can asexually reduce...

04:59:06.000 Okay, this is what I'm gonna say

04:59:06.920 to this, right?

04:59:07.700 I can't believe it's not

04:59:09.400 an automatic...

04:59:10.580 No, that's ridiculous.

04:59:11.720 Okay, but go ahead.

04:59:12.980 What do you have to say?

04:59:14.000 You done?

04:59:14.940 I am done.

04:59:15.520 Go ahead.

04:59:15.800 Okay.

04:59:19.100 So, what I want to say

04:59:20.640 to your point...

04:59:22.380 Yeah.

04:59:22.900 ...is, do I believe

04:59:24.780 that I want to eradicate

04:59:27.880 all men?

04:59:28.880 No.

04:59:29.580 Not right now.

04:59:30.520 I think...

04:59:31.640 Okay.

04:59:34.020 I wait for one more

04:59:35.040 to do her dirty,

04:59:35.760 and this will be done with them.

04:59:36.920 I don't know why

04:59:39.100 that triggered my bad.

04:59:39.920 Just blame it on me.

04:59:40.660 You see how far

04:59:41.440 the termites have spread

04:59:42.740 and how long and well

04:59:43.700 they've dined.

04:59:45.500 Why did you just blame that?

04:59:47.220 That was weird.

04:59:48.340 Maybe next week.

04:59:49.480 Okay, we're wrong.

04:59:49.980 I can't believe you're

04:59:50.720 that shocked by her answer

04:59:51.800 because of...

04:59:52.380 I mean, I would have assumed

04:59:53.420 she would have said that

04:59:54.240 based on all of the conversations.

04:59:57.180 I guess given, yeah, context,

04:59:58.300 it's not that surprising.

04:59:59.040 But wait, I'm confused.

04:59:59.360 It seems like...

05:00:00.980 So, be honest, though.

05:00:03.040 You could just snap your fingers,

05:00:04.100 and they don't die

05:00:05.820 like a harmful death.

05:00:06.660 They just disappear.

05:00:07.540 All the men disappear.

05:00:08.800 So, it's not like you're...

05:00:09.920 You know, you're not

05:00:10.700 torturing them or something.

05:00:11.620 Kill them, right.

05:00:12.080 They're just like, boop.

05:00:13.160 All gone.

05:00:13.820 Me, Nick.

05:00:14.700 I don't know if there's

05:00:15.120 any trans people here.

05:00:15.980 All gone.

05:00:17.740 All trans people.

05:00:19.740 That was an unnecessary comment.

05:00:22.300 Well, I mean, males.

05:00:23.480 He doesn't know.

05:00:24.380 Okay, whatever.

05:00:25.480 Disregard that.

05:00:26.640 Whatever.

05:00:27.300 So, what I want to say to you,

05:00:29.780 my friend.

05:00:30.480 Why don't you just,

05:00:31.060 instead of telling me

05:00:32.100 you're going to tell me something,

05:00:33.540 just say it.

05:00:34.080 Is there like a problem

05:00:35.100 with me saying that?

05:00:35.960 It just takes so long

05:00:36.820 to say something.

05:00:37.940 It kind of like,

05:00:39.140 so this is what I'm going to say.

05:00:42.220 Just say what you're going to say.

05:00:44.200 Can you use that accent more often?

05:00:46.140 I love that.

05:00:46.760 It's so great.

05:00:47.460 Your little valley girl accent.

05:00:49.440 I would love to have

05:00:51.320 another conversation.

05:00:52.080 I feel like this one is...

05:00:53.440 She's like...

05:00:55.080 Very good debater, by the way,

05:00:56.580 but never changing her mind

05:00:57.860 on anything.

05:00:58.120 So, I did want to bring up...

05:00:59.900 Wait, wait, wait.

05:01:00.360 Hold on, hold on.

05:01:01.400 Okay, so just to be clear,

05:01:03.100 it's not an immediate...

05:01:04.360 Like, you snap your fingers,

05:01:05.940 men are...

05:01:06.340 Why is this like the seventh time

05:01:07.760 you've asked the same thing?

05:01:09.380 To clarify?

05:01:10.060 So, just...

05:01:10.820 Is it yes?

05:01:11.920 Yes, or how about

05:01:13.060 just a yes or no

05:01:13.720 for simplicity's sake?

05:01:15.480 If you had the power to do it

05:01:16.980 and you could snap your fingers

05:01:17.920 and all men disappear

05:01:19.040 and women can asexually reproduce

05:01:21.100 or, I don't know,

05:01:22.440 y'all can fuck each other.

05:01:23.720 I don't know.

05:01:24.540 Whatever.

05:01:24.920 So, it's not the end

05:01:25.600 of the species, right?

05:01:26.860 Or maybe you want that.

05:01:27.920 Maybe you think humans

05:01:28.820 are a blight on the world.

05:01:31.060 Oh.

05:01:31.840 I don't know.

05:01:32.300 Some people believe that.

05:01:33.140 I can get behind that.

05:01:33.520 Some people believe that shit, so...

05:01:35.060 Okay, so what I'm gonna say to you...

05:01:37.460 Would you...

05:01:37.880 If you had the power to do it,

05:01:39.020 would you do it?

05:01:41.380 That is more complicated

05:01:43.240 than just a yes or no answer.

05:01:45.320 It's more nuanced than that.

05:01:46.880 And not everything

05:01:47.520 is black and white.

05:01:48.200 Okay, so what's your nuanced answer?

05:01:50.420 So, okay.

05:01:52.520 Not everything is just yes, no.

05:01:54.680 There's nuance.

05:01:55.920 There's like the middle.

05:01:57.040 I don't think there's nuance to that.

05:01:59.060 That's...

05:01:59.540 Okay, okay.

05:02:00.200 I'm gonna refrain from...

05:02:01.440 Go ahead, go ahead.

05:02:03.580 If there's nuance to it,

05:02:04.660 it's probably no, right?

05:02:07.700 It's not compelling enough.

05:02:09.300 Make the point.

05:02:10.180 Make the argument.

05:02:10.800 Please, please, please.

05:02:11.500 I want to move it on.

05:02:12.100 Oh, God.

05:02:14.940 Men are harmful to women.

05:02:18.400 I think I would have

05:02:19.240 a more peaceful life

05:02:20.560 if men were not there, frankly.

05:02:25.160 Okay?

05:02:25.980 Does that mean that I think

05:02:27.640 all men are bad?

05:02:29.200 No.

05:02:30.040 But I think a good amount of men

05:02:32.760 make it extremely difficult

05:02:35.220 for women in day-to-day life.

05:02:37.020 And so I would need to...

05:02:38.700 There are...

05:02:39.280 Yes, you're right.

05:02:40.240 There are pros to men.

05:02:42.280 There are also cons.

05:02:43.360 So I would need to take time,

05:02:44.720 evaluate the pros,

05:02:45.660 evaluate the cons,

05:02:46.540 and then come to a conclusion.

05:02:51.320 So are we keeping up?

05:02:52.600 Really quick.

05:02:53.280 And then you said,

05:02:54.880 yes, you would.

05:02:56.260 Well, you were talking about

05:02:57.260 like a separate world,

05:02:58.540 like what I want to live.

05:02:59.240 So I was thinking...

05:03:00.080 Would the...

05:03:00.720 Well, you're saying the...

05:03:03.060 Well, would the world

05:03:04.920 be better without men?

05:03:06.820 To which you said yes, correct?

05:03:08.320 I think I would not

05:03:12.600 snap my fingers

05:03:13.320 to get rid of all men

05:03:14.280 at this moment.

05:03:15.380 And that's not that I'm saying

05:03:16.780 that I would do that

05:03:17.440 in the future.

05:03:18.160 But I think if there was

05:03:20.120 like a big world

05:03:23.440 that I could step into

05:03:24.400 where men haven't been around

05:03:25.840 for the beginning of time

05:03:27.160 and it's all women,

05:03:28.500 I think if there's

05:03:29.320 a complete society set up

05:03:30.940 that's like,

05:03:31.980 I don't know,

05:03:32.460 like a utopia or something

05:03:33.500 where it's all like...

05:03:34.160 Like you think about

05:03:34.800 like Wonder Woman,

05:03:35.480 like where she came from, right?

05:03:36.540 Like, you know,

05:03:36.980 like the Wonder Woman movie.

05:03:38.020 I'm like thinking about that.

05:03:39.160 Like I would love

05:03:39.800 to step into that world.

05:03:40.680 That sounds beautiful.

05:03:42.000 I also like am bi.

05:03:43.400 So like it's chill.

05:03:44.480 I could get bi.

05:03:45.260 No pun intended.

05:03:46.420 But...

05:03:46.780 Well, I think there's a...

05:03:47.980 Ha ha.

05:03:50.200 There's a societal reliance

05:03:51.720 on men that extends

05:03:52.840 beyond just romantic prospects.

05:03:56.420 But how about this?

05:03:57.400 You have total power.

05:03:58.620 Like you have superpower

05:03:59.480 or something.

05:04:00.480 And with your superpower,

05:04:01.940 let's say we're not

05:04:02.920 going to like unalive

05:04:04.520 or disappear all men.

05:04:05.820 But you can like forcefully

05:04:08.720 move all men

05:04:09.760 to some island or some shit.

05:04:11.380 And all the women

05:04:12.200 can have their own

05:04:13.140 fucking places and shit.

05:04:14.520 Ha ha.

05:04:15.520 Would you do that?

05:04:16.240 Well, I think there's like

05:04:16.920 a lot of men

05:04:18.320 that are in power right now

05:04:19.600 that there's some good ones

05:04:21.380 and there's some bad ones.

05:04:22.220 And I think if we got rid

05:04:23.460 of all of them right now

05:04:24.260 and put them on an island,

05:04:25.400 then that would...

05:04:26.880 A lot of things would crumble

05:04:27.700 and make things very hard.

05:04:28.940 Some more classism,

05:04:29.980 less sexism.

05:04:31.400 Wait.

05:04:31.600 Sorry.

05:04:32.000 You're saying it would be worse

05:04:34.900 if we did that to the men?

05:04:36.200 Or I'm just confused?

05:04:36.600 No, I'm just saying

05:04:37.340 that if we all put them

05:04:38.080 on an island,

05:04:38.780 like all the men

05:04:40.140 that are like what you were saying,

05:04:41.100 like plumbers

05:04:41.560 and like firefighters

05:04:42.140 and all that shit,

05:04:42.620 like we wouldn't have that.

05:04:43.660 Okay, that's fair.

05:04:44.600 And so like men do play

05:04:45.280 a very important part

05:04:46.140 in our current society.

05:04:47.200 Yeah.

05:04:47.680 And so I think

05:04:48.480 it would be really,

05:04:49.240 really hard

05:04:49.600 for a very long time

05:04:50.660 if we did that.

05:04:51.980 But how about this?

05:04:53.000 In this scenario,

05:04:53.840 so look,

05:04:54.880 that is my position

05:04:55.980 that like there would be

05:04:56.920 major cascading

05:04:58.200 like infrastructure issues.

05:05:00.260 Yes, I agree.

05:05:00.640 If you just like instantly

05:05:01.620 disappeared all men.

05:05:03.300 It would be the same

05:05:03.780 if you got rid of all women too.

05:05:05.540 Like, I mean,

05:05:06.520 okay, not to the same effect,

05:05:07.900 but it would like,

05:05:08.460 there would still be

05:05:08.980 catastrophic like events.

05:05:11.440 Well, where I dispute you

05:05:13.180 with here a bit,

05:05:14.160 my dispute here a bit

05:05:15.300 would be

05:05:15.740 as it relates to like

05:05:17.320 infrastructure jobs.

05:05:19.760 So there's so few women

05:05:22.020 in critical infrastructure jobs

05:05:23.880 that there would be like,

05:05:27.060 obviously there's like

05:05:27.960 the social catastrophe

05:05:30.520 of like,

05:05:31.600 holy shit,

05:05:32.040 my mom,

05:05:32.560 my wife,

05:05:33.180 my sister,

05:05:34.100 all these people are gone.

05:05:36.260 Like that's

05:05:36.840 horrible.

05:05:37.980 Yeah.

05:05:38.100 Terrible.

05:05:38.980 But like,

05:05:39.740 I'm more so

05:05:40.440 when I'm talking

05:05:41.060 about infrastructure,

05:05:42.100 I'm more so looking

05:05:43.080 at it from like,

05:05:44.040 okay,

05:05:44.420 in a comparison

05:05:45.500 between men and women,

05:05:46.500 who is more represented

05:05:48.100 in like telecommunications,

05:05:51.280 electric,

05:05:52.380 like the electrical grid,

05:05:54.040 who does these like

05:05:56.540 farming,

05:05:59.300 trucking,

05:06:00.200 transportation,

05:06:01.460 firefighters.

05:06:03.200 I'm sure I'm missing

05:06:04.360 like a ton,

05:06:05.300 a ton,

05:06:05.620 maybe people in the chat

05:06:06.560 can give me like,

05:06:08.260 maybe somebody in the chat.

05:06:09.460 The oil rig workers.

05:06:10.500 People who work

05:06:11.340 on oil rigs.

05:06:12.740 Like 90%

05:06:13.620 of the wood mill.

05:06:15.540 Roughnecks,

05:06:16.060 loggers,

05:06:16.840 all this,

05:06:17.360 all this stuff.

05:06:19.720 If all the men disappear,

05:06:21.920 like there will be

05:06:23.240 just within,

05:06:27.660 okay,

05:06:28.020 so here's what happens.

05:06:29.100 Wait,

05:06:29.240 I agree with you.

05:06:30.140 Yeah,

05:06:30.500 but I guess what happens

05:06:31.840 is within like three days,

05:06:34.580 electricity is gone.

05:06:36.480 Yeah.

05:06:37.300 That,

05:06:38.000 so telecommunications

05:06:39.120 is gone.

05:06:41.660 You have,

05:06:42.620 within like a week,

05:06:44.180 your food supply

05:06:45.500 completely devastated.

05:06:47.560 I mean,

05:06:47.840 you have like certain foods

05:06:50.040 in places where,

05:06:51.240 you know,

05:06:53.480 last,

05:06:53.920 obviously some foods

05:06:55.000 are not as perishable

05:06:56.260 or not perishable

05:06:57.360 or whatever.

05:06:58.080 Well,

05:06:58.340 I guess on the long enough

05:06:59.160 timeline or whatever,

05:06:59.960 but then you don't have

05:07:01.960 police force,

05:07:02.580 so there's going to be

05:07:03.100 mass looting by the women.

05:07:04.640 You guys are going to loot

05:07:05.480 all the grocery stores.

05:07:07.560 Fires,

05:07:08.120 fires will eventually break out.

05:07:10.800 There's not enough

05:07:11.600 women firefighters,

05:07:12.440 so you're going to basically

05:07:13.680 like most cities

05:07:15.000 within a few days,

05:07:16.220 maybe one or two weeks,

05:07:19.580 they're all going to be burned.

05:07:21.220 But like the fires are,

05:07:22.620 there's not enough

05:07:23.540 women firefighters.

05:07:25.000 I'm sure there's a whole bunch

05:07:26.240 like water processing.

05:07:28.620 There are men

05:07:29.360 who are involved in this,

05:07:30.380 like shit,

05:07:31.440 when it comes to infrastructure,

05:07:33.440 shit just breaks.

05:07:35.620 Shit goes wrong.

05:07:36.540 And there's men

05:07:37.340 who know how to fix it.

05:07:38.400 And there's maybe

05:07:39.460 one or two women

05:07:40.640 who know how to fix that shit.

05:07:41.700 But there's not enough women

05:07:43.120 where like,

05:07:45.360 if all men disappear,

05:07:46.300 like that shit's,

05:07:47.980 I don't know,

05:07:49.080 anyways, whatever.

05:07:50.140 I think we'd be

05:07:50.640 a little bit better off

05:07:51.560 if there was more women

05:07:52.660 who prioritize

05:07:53.380 like homemaking skills.

05:07:54.980 Like maybe if you could

05:07:55.760 bake your own bread

05:07:56.540 or can your own veggies.

05:07:58.100 That's like trending now though.

05:07:58.980 Yeah, you're right,

05:07:59.580 you're right.

05:08:00.100 I think I love it too.

05:08:01.600 I think it's amazing.

05:08:02.500 If you ever need

05:08:02.960 some sourdough starter,

05:08:03.840 I got you.

05:08:04.440 Love that.

05:08:05.060 Yes.

05:08:06.820 Love that in healthy doses.

05:08:08.400 Oh yeah.

05:08:08.860 Yo, Selena,

05:08:09.540 we need you back here.

05:08:10.640 I'll be doses.

05:08:11.620 Because,

05:08:12.120 sorry.

05:08:12.680 Hold on,

05:08:12.780 let me play this

05:08:13.300 really quick.

05:08:15.360 Wretch Guy donated

05:08:16.440 $202.02.

05:08:19.180 Men and women

05:08:20.080 are both victims

05:08:21.100 of a very small

05:08:22.160 percentage of bad men.

05:08:23.520 I didn't see it.

05:08:24.060 Men are two times

05:08:25.100 more likely

05:08:25.740 to be victims

05:08:26.420 of violent crimes

05:08:27.640 and three times

05:08:28.560 more likely

05:08:29.160 to be victims

05:08:29.880 of robberies

05:08:30.740 from the bad men.

05:08:31.920 I mean,

05:08:33.460 as it relates

05:08:34.160 to total violent crime,

05:08:36.020 it is true,

05:08:36.640 yeah,

05:08:36.860 that men are more

05:08:37.480 likely to be victims

05:08:38.380 of violent crime here.

05:08:40.800 Do we have a chance?

05:08:42.300 No,

05:08:42.500 I think we're good.

05:08:43.600 Okay,

05:08:43.940 read 100,

05:08:44.620 TTS 200,

05:08:46.040 if you guys want

05:08:46.700 to get it in.

05:08:47.800 Look,

05:08:48.680 I guess my kind

05:08:49.840 of befuddlement,

05:08:52.940 it's amazing to me

05:08:54.380 that you need

05:08:54.920 to think about it.

05:08:56.140 Oh my God,

05:08:56.640 not this again.

05:08:58.400 Are we done with this?

05:09:00.240 Well,

05:09:00.420 because you walked away,

05:09:01.540 I guess my issue

05:09:02.520 is like,

05:09:03.040 if you asked me,

05:09:04.220 hey Brian,

05:09:04.960 if you could snap

05:09:05.840 your fingers

05:09:06.420 and all women

05:09:08.580 just disappeared,

05:09:10.300 it's like an instant no.

05:09:12.040 Okay,

05:09:12.480 I'm not going to talk

05:09:13.320 about the same thing

05:09:14.140 over and over and over.

05:09:15.080 Is there like a new topic?

05:09:16.480 But you have an issue

05:09:18.520 with like,

05:09:19.300 you think red pill bad.

05:09:21.400 You've said multiple

05:09:22.940 like really objectionable things

05:09:25.060 on this podcast

05:09:26.580 that is frankly

05:09:28.080 worse than anything

05:09:30.180 I've heard Andrew Tate say.

05:09:32.680 Like,

05:09:33.220 you saying you have

05:09:34.320 to think about

05:09:35.540 like it not being

05:09:37.460 an immediate no.

05:09:39.640 Absolutely not.

05:09:40.540 I wouldn't unalive all men.

05:09:43.800 Like,

05:09:44.000 just.

05:09:44.580 Okay,

05:09:45.040 can I say something?

05:09:45.960 Andrew Tate says,

05:09:47.260 you know,

05:09:48.060 oh,

05:09:48.560 I don't think women pilots

05:09:50.080 are good.

05:09:51.080 And you can have

05:09:51.760 objections to that.

05:09:53.020 That's nowhere near

05:09:54.560 as bad

05:09:55.840 as saying

05:09:58.600 you have to,

05:09:59.840 you can't just give

05:10:00.660 an immediate knee jerk

05:10:02.080 no

05:10:02.740 to unaliving

05:10:04.540 all men.

05:10:05.580 Okay.

05:10:05.920 Do you realize,

05:10:06.580 like it's not even,

05:10:07.320 is it processing?

05:10:08.180 Is it clocking,

05:10:09.220 bruh?

05:10:10.080 Oh my God.

05:10:10.880 That was like so embarrassing.

05:10:12.440 Is it clocking for you?

05:10:13.780 Are you using slang?

05:10:14.360 Is it clocking for you?

05:10:15.600 I'm not trying to be rude,

05:10:16.660 but that was really embarrassing.

05:10:17.900 It was embarrassing.

05:10:18.800 You're so right.

05:10:19.720 Guys,

05:10:20.100 but you know what's more embarrassing?

05:10:21.260 You know what's more embarrassing?

05:10:22.940 Is not having a knee jerk.

05:10:24.580 Like if somebody asked you a question,

05:10:25.960 do you think we should unalive

05:10:27.220 like half the population of her?

05:10:28.760 I never said that.

05:10:30.220 We said,

05:10:30.820 you said I have to think about it.

05:10:32.440 Magically word,

05:10:32.880 magically snap your fingers

05:10:34.160 and they're going to disappear.

05:10:35.180 Yeah,

05:10:35.300 they,

05:10:36.020 unalive,

05:10:36.540 yeah,

05:10:36.720 disappear.

05:10:36.880 That's not unalive,

05:10:37.960 my friend.

05:10:38.540 You didn't say,

05:10:39.100 oh,

05:10:39.260 would you kill them?

05:10:40.040 Yeah,

05:10:40.220 now,

05:10:40.520 okay,

05:10:40.780 so your position,

05:10:42.660 if it's just they disappear,

05:10:44.140 yeah,

05:10:44.380 still look really objectionable.

05:10:46.040 Okay,

05:10:47.260 raise your hand

05:10:47.860 if you want a new topic.

05:10:48.880 I just,

05:10:52.040 I'm not,

05:10:52.720 look,

05:10:53.500 that might be

05:10:54.740 the craziest thing

05:10:56.920 and a lot of women

05:10:57.740 have sent some crazy shit

05:10:58.780 on this show.

05:11:00.200 You don't give a knee jerk,

05:11:02.260 absolutely not.

05:11:03.000 Oh my God,

05:11:03.620 how many more times

05:11:04.500 are you going to repeat

05:11:05.120 the same thing?

05:11:06.180 This isn't good.

05:11:07.380 I think it's going to be

05:11:08.140 really hard.

05:11:08.580 This isn't good

05:11:09.020 for like media consumption.

05:11:10.740 We need to change topics.

05:11:13.860 I guess I'm still stuck on it

05:11:15.800 because it's such as insane.

05:11:18.300 Okay,

05:11:18.620 so tonight when you go to bed,

05:11:20.160 you can think about it.

05:11:20.980 I will think about it.

05:11:21.740 And you can contemplate it.

05:11:22.520 It's going to haunt me.

05:11:23.900 This conversation

05:11:24.860 is going to haunt me.

05:11:25.420 And if you want to follow up

05:11:26.700 and you have more questions.

05:11:27.300 This is what I was talking about.

05:11:28.800 Wait,

05:11:28.980 are we going to,

05:11:29.380 I feel like we,

05:11:30.540 you know,

05:11:30.920 we disagree,

05:11:31.800 but I feel like it's been fun.

05:11:33.200 Are we round two?

05:11:34.220 Are we going to do a round two,

05:11:35.580 Selena?

05:11:35.620 Well,

05:11:36.020 so if you,

05:11:36.880 if you're,

05:11:37.180 you get to yap.

05:11:37.780 Oh my God.

05:11:38.880 Sorry.

05:11:39.560 Oh my God.

05:11:39.940 If you're interested

05:11:41.080 in more of me,

05:11:42.300 you can go to my TikTok

05:11:43.300 at Selena the yapper

05:11:44.540 on TikTok

05:11:45.160 and Instagram.

05:11:46.360 No,

05:11:46.380 but I'm a round two.

05:11:47.060 You said we can do a round two.

05:11:48.400 I never said that.

05:11:49.500 I said we can do a round two.

05:11:50.560 Okay,

05:11:50.880 well,

05:11:51.120 I never said that

05:11:51.900 and it takes two

05:11:52.780 for consent.

05:11:53.540 Oh my God.

05:11:54.040 Did you know that?

05:11:55.880 Are you down

05:11:59.000 for a round two?

05:12:02.080 Okay,

05:12:02.340 we'll talk after this show.

05:12:03.520 No consent.

05:12:04.100 Oh my goodness.

05:12:05.640 Okay,

05:12:05.920 um,

05:12:06.320 here.

05:12:06.960 I'm going to focus.

05:12:10.320 Okay,

05:12:10.660 like,

05:12:11.120 Oh my God.

05:12:11.560 Can we move it on?

05:12:15.580 I'm just saying like,

05:12:16.880 you want to bring up

05:12:17.660 me talking about Charlie Kirk.

05:12:19.100 You want to bring up,

05:12:20.040 why don't we talk about that?

05:12:21.240 There's so many other topics

05:12:22.400 on the table.

05:12:23.180 moving.

05:12:23.680 Okay.

05:12:24.060 I'm actually,

05:12:24.900 I want to open it up

05:12:26.520 to some of the other,

05:12:27.760 so we can maybe save

05:12:28.740 that shit for later.

05:12:29.900 Are you trying to say

05:12:30.840 that I've been

05:12:31.500 hugging the conversation?

05:12:33.280 You have been directing

05:12:34.020 the conversation towards me.

05:12:35.460 That is not my fault.

05:12:36.540 I was over there.

05:12:37.880 You start saying,

05:12:38.520 and Selena,

05:12:39.040 come back.

05:12:39.440 Selena,

05:12:39.680 come back.

05:12:40.340 That's not a me issue.

05:12:42.160 You're the content.

05:12:42.860 did you have something

05:12:43.780 that you wanted to,

05:12:44.840 I know you were

05:12:45.680 raising your hand,

05:12:46.520 but it was a little while ago.

05:12:47.580 Honestly,

05:12:47.860 I don't remember.

05:12:48.480 Okay,

05:12:48.680 that's fine.

05:12:49.140 I'll move it on.

05:12:50.040 I kind of wanted

05:12:50.660 to round back to the,

05:12:52.220 you were talking about how,

05:12:54.000 um,

05:12:54.540 what is it?

05:12:55.160 You were saying

05:12:55.500 modern,

05:12:55.820 either modern feminist

05:12:56.760 or most women,

05:12:57.460 they have this ungrateful

05:12:58.460 attitude towards men,

05:13:00.520 the sacrifices that they make

05:13:01.820 and what they do

05:13:02.300 to protect and provide for us.

05:13:04.180 And I just wanted

05:13:04.940 to ask everybody,

05:13:05.820 does everybody at the table,

05:13:08.240 do you think that a man

05:13:09.300 being a coward

05:13:10.000 makes him less attractive?

05:13:12.960 Yeah.

05:13:13.460 Yes.

05:13:13.880 Yeah.

05:13:14.320 Absolutely.

05:13:15.120 Coward.

05:13:16.260 I think it would depend

05:13:16.960 on the context.

05:13:17.760 Like,

05:13:18.140 like he squeals and cries

05:13:19.500 when he sees a mouse

05:13:20.300 and then he makes you

05:13:21.000 go get it.

05:13:21.900 Or he makes you turn

05:13:22.940 the light on

05:13:23.420 because he saw

05:13:23.880 something scary at night.

05:13:24.900 that would be really

05:13:27.580 unattractive to me.

05:13:30.240 I think I can agree

05:13:31.060 with that.

05:13:32.280 That's very unattractive.

05:13:32.960 It might like humanize

05:13:33.320 them to me a little bit.

05:13:34.120 I don't know.

05:13:35.340 I like that.

05:13:36.560 I do like that.

05:13:37.620 Vulnerability is good.

05:13:38.780 Like,

05:13:39.000 I don't want them to think

05:13:39.920 like you can't get scared

05:13:40.940 of the mouse.

05:13:41.720 Yeah.

05:13:41.900 But when you're,

05:13:42.580 ah,

05:13:43.420 get the mouse.

05:13:44.600 But don't put it on me

05:13:45.500 if I'm scared of the mouse

05:13:46.520 too,

05:13:46.960 you know?

05:13:47.920 I feel like it's still

05:13:48.520 to be scared of a mouse

05:13:49.120 but it's not chill

05:13:50.080 if it's like someone's

05:13:50.820 like coming at me,

05:13:51.560 like I want you to step

05:13:52.320 in front of me.

05:13:52.780 Yeah,

05:13:52.960 your man should be able

05:13:53.840 to protect and defend you.

05:13:54.880 So like,

05:13:55.160 being in a coward that way,

05:13:56.400 like that's not chill.

05:13:57.160 Yeah,

05:13:57.260 you don't want your man

05:13:58.500 to stand up behind you.

05:14:00.040 I'll get the mouse.

05:14:03.460 I'm trying to remember

05:14:04.320 there's that,

05:14:04.920 um,

05:14:05.940 there's that one real short guy

05:14:07.080 and he talks about

05:14:07.720 how his wife's an MMA star

05:14:09.380 and he's like,

05:14:09.980 yeah,

05:14:10.260 like she protects me

05:14:11.420 and I'm like,

05:14:11.840 oh my God.

05:14:13.560 That's cute.

05:14:14.220 It's cute though,

05:14:15.160 yeah.

05:14:15.340 As long as they're happy.

05:14:16.380 It is cute.

05:14:17.460 Yeah.

05:14:17.940 That's true,

05:14:18.360 as long as they're happy.

05:14:19.320 Yeah,

05:14:19.500 I just genuinely wanted to know,

05:14:20.820 kind of wanted to pivot back

05:14:21.620 to that one topic

05:14:22.340 before we move on.

05:14:23.160 Thank you guys.

05:14:24.040 I also,

05:14:24.720 I do think that like,

05:14:26.640 we might need to touch on the,

05:14:28.180 what gratitude means

05:14:29.880 to everybody here.

05:14:31.400 Cause when I hear like,

05:14:32.720 oh,

05:14:32.860 we should be,

05:14:33.680 we should have gratitude

05:14:34.240 towards men and what they do.

05:14:35.560 I don't think,

05:14:36.340 oh,

05:14:36.420 I'm going to get on my fucking knees.

05:14:38.180 Right.

05:14:38.460 Well,

05:14:38.580 I don't think anybody

05:14:39.020 thinks that.

05:14:39.800 Yeah.

05:14:39.920 The general assumption

05:14:40.640 is that you should just be

05:14:41.740 generally grateful for men.

05:14:43.500 Exactly.

05:14:44.080 So I don't understand

05:14:45.340 why that would be a sentiment

05:14:46.460 that not everybody

05:14:47.140 at the table can agree with.

05:14:48.360 Right.

05:14:48.740 Right.

05:14:49.680 I think if anything,

05:14:50.240 we should both be grateful

05:14:51.140 for both women and men.

05:14:52.920 Exactly.

05:14:53.420 Well,

05:14:53.660 you can say one without having,

05:14:55.820 like we can compliment men

05:14:56.920 without being like,

05:14:57.480 but what about women?

05:14:58.360 You can just give a compliment

05:14:59.600 to a man or be grateful for a man.

05:15:01.160 Exactly.

05:15:01.180 You don't always have to reference

05:15:02.340 when speaking about men.

05:15:04.680 I totally agree.

05:15:07.220 Can I ask more

05:15:09.680 about your relationship?

05:15:11.760 Yes,

05:15:12.120 you can.

05:15:12.580 I'm just curious

05:15:13.300 why you said

05:15:14.200 that you got back with him

05:15:15.260 after he cheated on you.

05:15:17.280 Well,

05:15:17.760 it wasn't physical.

05:15:19.200 Oh.

05:15:20.400 I,

05:15:20.740 but I do consider

05:15:21.380 the porn thing

05:15:22.120 cheating as well.

05:15:22.900 Mm-hmm.

05:15:23.680 I think because

05:15:24.880 I see a genuine shift

05:15:26.480 in his perspective on it.

05:15:28.600 He genuinely saw

05:15:30.440 that that was

05:15:31.220 a really negative thing,

05:15:32.220 not just for our relationship,

05:15:33.380 but for him.

05:15:34.700 I saw that shift

05:15:35.900 in his perspective.

05:15:36.820 I saw that shift

05:15:37.360 in his actions.

05:15:38.740 The way that he treats me

05:15:39.760 is completely different.

05:15:40.980 He has completely

05:15:41.460 shut that out of his life.

05:15:42.420 So I do believe

05:15:43.280 that like the right man,

05:15:45.340 somebody who actually

05:15:46.100 is just genuinely unhealed

05:15:47.800 and has issues

05:15:48.560 Yeah.

05:15:49.060 and wants to change

05:15:50.100 will change.

05:15:51.160 But obviously

05:15:52.340 that's not everybody's situation.

05:15:54.260 And at the end of the day,

05:15:55.080 you know,

05:15:55.460 if something does happen,

05:15:56.360 it's not your fault.

05:15:57.540 Exactly.

05:15:58.140 I've come to the realization

05:15:59.420 that what he did

05:16:00.940 has nothing to do with me.

05:16:02.260 Right.

05:16:02.780 Realistically,

05:16:03.260 it has nothing to do with me.

05:16:04.780 That is an issue

05:16:05.920 that he has

05:16:06.640 because of

05:16:07.180 what happened in his childhood

05:16:08.520 or what happened with him

05:16:09.680 sexually as a kid.

05:16:10.840 There are reasons for that

05:16:12.200 that don't relate to me

05:16:13.300 and I don't need to make it

05:16:14.300 my problem.

05:16:16.060 It also affects me,

05:16:17.340 of course.

05:16:17.720 Do you feel like you guys

05:16:18.560 have been like learning

05:16:19.420 and growing

05:16:19.860 and changing

05:16:20.340 the past two years

05:16:21.120 of being together

05:16:21.780 outside of this one

05:16:22.680 bump in the road?

05:16:23.400 Absolutely.

05:16:23.700 I think that a relationship

05:16:25.720 like this is completely new

05:16:26.720 for me.

05:16:27.320 I've never really been

05:16:28.540 in a serious relationship.

05:16:30.460 But apparently

05:16:31.720 this is not a new situation

05:16:33.680 for him.

05:16:34.440 Oh.

05:16:35.200 So the reason that

05:16:36.560 you guys ended things

05:16:38.160 or he cheated?

05:16:38.400 Well, it never ended.

05:16:39.340 Okay.

05:16:39.780 I actually,

05:16:40.380 I never actually broke up

05:16:41.320 with him.

05:16:41.440 So did you like find out

05:16:42.880 about it or did he like open it?

05:16:44.200 I went on his computer

05:16:45.720 after we had broken up

05:16:47.480 for a little while.

05:16:48.340 We were both kind of

05:16:49.340 unsure about the relationship.

05:16:50.380 A lot of arguing,

05:16:51.320 stupid stuff, honestly.

05:16:52.200 Um, and we had finally

05:16:55.720 kind of worked past that

05:16:56.920 actually and I got back

05:16:58.380 or we got back together

05:16:59.560 and I actually was

05:17:00.520 at his house.

05:17:01.420 I went on his computer

05:17:02.200 minding my business,

05:17:03.380 you know, trying to play a game.

05:17:04.700 I go on Twitter

05:17:05.680 and I kid you not

05:17:06.740 over thousands of bookmarks

05:17:08.820 of just OnlyFans model,

05:17:09.980 OnlyFans model,

05:17:10.580 OnlyFans model.

05:17:11.500 It took me hours.

05:17:12.720 I had like,

05:17:13.140 I went through

05:17:13.560 and screenshot everything

05:17:14.380 on my phone.

05:17:14.960 It took me hours

05:17:15.760 and I confronted him obviously.

05:17:17.940 Yeah.

05:17:18.100 And he was very shameful

05:17:19.020 about it, you know,

05:17:20.020 very guilty.

05:17:21.020 Um, before I get into dating,

05:17:24.300 I did, there was some,

05:17:25.860 like a chat or something

05:17:27.040 that came through

05:17:27.540 I wanted to touch on

05:17:28.320 really quickly.

05:17:29.040 It was really quickly

05:17:30.020 just related to the

05:17:30.820 immigration thing.

05:17:31.660 I promise we won't linger on it.

05:17:33.820 Um, is anybody here

05:17:35.420 either an immigrant

05:17:36.460 or a child of immigrants?

05:17:39.800 Okay.

05:17:40.600 Child.

05:17:41.380 Um, what's just,

05:17:43.220 what's your background,

05:17:44.080 I guess?

05:17:46.300 What do you mean?

05:17:47.820 Oh, just like

05:17:48.420 where your parents from?

05:17:49.480 You said your parents

05:17:50.320 are immigrants

05:17:50.800 or are you,

05:17:51.360 are you an immigrant?

05:17:51.920 Oh, no, no, no.

05:17:52.780 My, so my parents

05:17:53.720 are immigrants and

05:17:55.180 Like first generation.

05:17:56.420 Yeah.

05:17:56.920 So they

05:17:57.540 So,

05:18:02.340 Oh, I see it.

05:18:05.400 Um,

05:18:06.480 just turn that thing

05:18:08.880 back and put,

05:18:10.100 put the thing

05:18:11.180 at the very bottom.

05:18:12.180 This thing.

05:18:13.280 This thing.

05:18:13.720 The clown.

05:18:14.040 Oh, oh, oh.

05:18:14.940 And then turn it

05:18:16.120 towards you.

05:18:17.600 Oh, oh.

05:18:18.120 Okay.

05:18:18.540 And then scoot your mic

05:18:19.620 to the very edge

05:18:20.160 of the table.

05:18:21.540 Okay.

05:18:21.940 Um, so your parents

05:18:22.920 are what?

05:18:24.400 Or where are they from?

05:18:25.340 We're Palestinian.

05:18:26.820 Palestinian.

05:18:27.240 Both your parents?

05:18:28.220 Yes.

05:18:28.480 And then you said

05:18:29.920 you have?

05:18:31.060 Oh, my father

05:18:31.960 is an immigrant.

05:18:32.720 He's from Haiti.

05:18:34.280 Haiti.

05:18:34.800 Okay.

05:18:35.680 Uh, and it was you?

05:18:37.120 Mexico.

05:18:37.800 Mexico.

05:18:38.440 Uh, were you born there

05:18:39.820 or were your parents

05:18:40.560 born there or?

05:18:42.580 Parents.

05:18:43.740 Okay.

05:18:44.000 So you're, you're

05:18:44.700 born in the United States.

05:18:45.700 Okay.

05:18:46.260 And then you?

05:18:47.480 Yeah.

05:18:48.040 Um, my, my, my mom

05:18:49.740 and my grandpa

05:18:50.180 are from Mexico.

05:18:51.440 Heck yeah.

05:18:52.160 Mom and grandpa.

05:18:52.940 Okay.

05:18:53.180 But both your parents

05:18:54.020 were born here?

05:18:55.620 No, my mom

05:18:56.680 and my mom came

05:18:57.620 from Mexico

05:18:58.140 and so did my grandpa.

05:18:59.220 Okay.

05:18:59.460 I just, I was curious

05:19:00.260 about this.

05:19:00.820 Um, if, uh,

05:19:03.400 I guess we can start

05:19:04.720 with, we'll start

05:19:05.600 with Mexico.

05:19:06.900 If the United States

05:19:08.320 went to war

05:19:09.880 with Mexico,

05:19:11.640 what sought,

05:19:13.980 which country

05:19:15.140 do you side with

05:19:15.980 starting with you?

05:19:17.140 Mexico.

05:19:17.640 What about you?

05:19:18.200 United States.

05:19:19.000 United States.

05:19:19.600 And then if the United States

05:19:21.200 went to war with Palestine,

05:19:22.540 which country

05:19:23.420 do you side with?

05:19:25.600 Why would the United States

05:19:27.060 go to war with Palestine?

05:19:28.180 That is so,

05:19:29.100 that is much more nuanced

05:19:30.980 than, oh,

05:19:31.740 which side do you side with?

05:19:35.000 Uh, well, I mean,

05:19:35.900 that's just a hypothetical.

05:19:37.280 Okay.

05:19:37.620 Yeah, but I would need nuance.

05:19:39.060 I'd need context.

05:19:39.840 I need to understand

05:19:40.640 what was occurring.

05:19:41.340 So I'm, I can't answer

05:19:42.840 that question.

05:19:43.300 I'm sorry.

05:19:44.100 I'm just going to

05:19:44.600 not answer that question.

05:19:45.680 I think the question's just,

05:19:46.800 uh, your answer should just

05:19:47.760 be based off your own principles

05:19:48.960 or your own morals.

05:19:49.860 Like what side would you choose

05:19:51.740 in that situation?

05:19:53.380 Whatever side is morally correct.

05:19:55.240 So it has to be debating

05:19:56.860 on like the topic

05:19:57.680 or the reason of conflict.

05:19:59.040 I'll just make it super easy.

05:20:00.400 Let's just,

05:20:01.040 since it is a hypothetical,

05:20:02.380 let's assume the contribution

05:20:04.120 to the conflict is equal.

05:20:07.700 So both sides,

05:20:08.960 it's not like,

05:20:10.100 I don't condone war,

05:20:11.280 but it's not just like,

05:20:12.280 oh,

05:20:12.400 the U S is a bully

05:20:13.460 and they're no,

05:20:14.260 it's just like,

05:20:14.920 uh,

05:20:15.580 this side did something

05:20:16.560 this equally,

05:20:17.920 uh,

05:20:19.020 equally responsible

05:20:21.420 or whatever.

05:20:22.160 I don't condone the war.

05:20:23.460 Do you think it's possible?

05:20:25.380 Do you think it's possible

05:20:25.640 for war to not exist?

05:20:29.360 Hold on.

05:20:32.160 If you have to pick,

05:20:33.680 I said,

05:20:34.480 I don't condone war,

05:20:35.480 so I would condone neither.

05:20:37.260 Well,

05:20:38.260 hold on.

05:20:38.920 Um,

05:20:39.440 what,

05:20:40.280 let's say you had the op,

05:20:43.020 you,

05:20:44.260 women get drafted

05:20:45.260 and I do not condone war.

05:20:48.520 I'm not going to answer

05:20:49.480 a hypothetical scenario

05:20:51.140 that I don't understand

05:20:52.860 any of the context.

05:20:53.960 I don't know what's going on.

05:20:55.180 Like,

05:20:55.620 come on.

05:20:56.120 And this is like,

05:20:56.740 I'm just curious.

05:20:57.540 Okay.

05:20:58.120 Just make your point.

05:20:59.320 The USA,

05:20:59.720 just make your point.

05:21:01.060 Okay.

05:21:01.540 Well,

05:21:01.660 you don't need a hypothetical.

05:21:02.880 Hold on.

05:21:03.180 You're not going to dictate

05:21:03.800 the terms of my hypothetical.

05:21:06.040 So if the USA goes to war

05:21:08.620 with Mexico,

05:21:09.420 which country do you side with?

05:21:12.100 I need to know

05:21:12.920 what's going on.

05:21:14.460 Equal contribution.

05:21:15.600 Okay.

05:21:15.820 I don't know.

05:21:17.220 I don't think it,

05:21:18.280 you,

05:21:18.660 you,

05:21:18.960 if you had to pick one,

05:21:20.320 which one do you pick?

05:21:21.680 It depends on specifically

05:21:23.340 what is occurring.

05:21:24.100 There's no such thing

05:21:24.660 as neutral distribution.

05:21:25.720 There would have been a reason

05:21:26.680 that war was,

05:21:27.620 the war was started.

05:21:30.680 I don't think she wants to answer.

05:21:32.640 I don't think you're going to answer.

05:21:33.360 I mean,

05:21:33.760 I,

05:21:34.360 I don't,

05:21:34.820 I don't think you need

05:21:35.680 to muddy the waters like this.

05:21:36.960 I mean,

05:21:37.380 I just like next,

05:21:38.880 next question.

05:21:39.660 Like,

05:21:39.720 is it hypothetically?

05:21:40.480 Or you can just make your point

05:21:41.760 to the people that answer.

05:21:42.800 Is it logically possible

05:21:44.200 that two countries

05:21:45.780 can be in the wrong

05:21:47.360 in a conflict?

05:21:48.420 And like,

05:21:49.160 maybe it's not exactly 50-50,

05:21:50.800 but it's like 45-55.

05:21:52.320 And like,

05:21:52.980 they,

05:21:53.180 they have a dispute

05:21:54.180 and it's not like,

05:21:56.660 it's not like good guys,

05:21:58.560 bad guys.

05:21:59.260 It's just a war.

05:22:00.340 People.

05:22:01.100 Okay.

05:22:01.920 So what is your point here?

05:22:03.440 I'm just trying to get an answer.

05:22:04.960 Okay.

05:22:05.280 Well,

05:22:05.440 I don't have an answer

05:22:06.380 to that question.

05:22:09.020 Uh,

05:22:09.380 okay.

05:22:09.700 Um,

05:22:12.340 is there,

05:22:12.940 chat,

05:22:13.320 is there a way for me

05:22:13.940 to reframe?

05:22:15.160 Oh my God.

05:22:16.580 Are you that desperate

05:22:17.900 for an answer?

05:22:18.920 Come on now.

05:22:19.580 Well,

05:22:19.800 or you could just be good faith

05:22:20.980 and answer the question.

05:22:21.720 It's not me trying to be bad faith.

05:22:23.480 It's me genuinely.

05:22:24.660 I do not have an answer.

05:22:26.020 It's,

05:22:26.400 it's much more complicated

05:22:27.900 than that.

05:22:29.240 So I think that maybe

05:22:30.520 a good example

05:22:31.160 would be like a war

05:22:32.220 over the claim

05:22:33.260 of unclaimed territory.

05:22:34.940 So then they would be

05:22:36.140 equal to blame

05:22:36.980 and equally in the right

05:22:37.900 because they both want

05:22:38.920 something for the same reason.

05:22:40.480 I think that would be

05:22:41.580 a,

05:22:41.920 a good hypothetical

05:22:43.100 if you want to

05:22:44.120 think more about

05:22:45.140 what side that you would take.

05:22:48.040 Wait,

05:22:48.500 what's your major again?

05:22:49.760 It's foreign policy.

05:22:51.260 Yes.

05:22:51.820 Which is why I'm asking you for,

05:22:53.780 isn't this like your real?

05:22:55.140 Yeah,

05:22:55.320 it is.

05:22:55.720 Which is why I'm asking you

05:22:56.900 for specific examples.

05:22:58.320 You can't just say

05:22:58.880 two countries are at war.

05:23:00.320 Okay.

05:23:00.580 And war and conflict

05:23:02.060 is much more nuanced

05:23:03.280 than that.

05:23:03.840 I would know.

05:23:04.360 And I granted in this specific,

05:23:05.840 can you stop interrupting please?

05:23:07.840 I granted in this

05:23:08.740 specific circumstance

05:23:10.100 that like there's

05:23:11.680 some equal contribution

05:23:12.920 to the conflict

05:23:13.720 that's arisen.

05:23:16.980 That's the circumstance.

05:23:22.360 Okay.

05:23:28.380 Like I said,

05:23:29.260 I do not know.

05:23:33.460 I don't,

05:23:34.080 but I'm okay.

05:23:35.400 She doesn't know.

05:23:36.400 What was the question again?

05:23:39.200 Oh,

05:23:39.560 the question was just like

05:23:40.560 if,

05:23:41.000 if America went to war

05:23:42.520 with Palestine.

05:23:43.440 Oh,

05:23:43.840 so that's like her,

05:23:44.780 you know,

05:23:45.040 her parents are Palestinian.

05:23:46.360 She's Palestinian.

05:23:47.560 That makes sense.

05:23:48.340 If the United States

05:23:49.140 went to war with Palestine,

05:23:50.420 do you side with,

05:23:53.900 like,

05:23:54.220 are you,

05:23:54.540 do your loyalties lie

05:23:56.240 with the United States

05:23:57.640 or with Palestine?

05:23:58.600 Yes.

05:24:08.920 What is your,

05:24:10.380 like,

05:24:10.980 yes to what?

05:24:12.200 Do you just not hear the question?

05:24:13.520 Are you choosing not to

05:24:14.520 acknowledge it?

05:24:15.700 Leave the mic

05:24:16.180 at the table.

05:24:17.920 Okay,

05:24:18.660 so,

05:24:19.720 listen.

05:24:21.760 Listening.

05:24:22.360 Oh my God.

05:24:22.840 I told you

05:24:23.820 that

05:24:25.340 I can't,

05:24:27.720 like,

05:24:27.900 I,

05:24:28.080 I would side

05:24:29.100 with whatever

05:24:29.540 is morally correct.

05:24:30.700 Okay,

05:24:31.160 so,

05:24:31.820 whatever reason

05:24:33.160 there is.

05:24:34.040 It's morally neutral.

05:24:35.300 How about that?

05:24:35.740 It's morally neutral.

05:24:36.640 Okay,

05:24:36.940 so then I can't

05:24:37.900 give you a side

05:24:38.460 because war

05:24:39.020 is never morally neutral,

05:24:40.400 right?

05:24:40.640 You don't go,

05:24:41.260 you're not going

05:24:41.720 to start killing people

05:24:42.740 just over something

05:24:43.680 that is,

05:24:44.200 like,

05:24:44.320 neutral.

05:24:44.860 Check this out.

05:24:45.140 Check this out.

05:24:45.760 What if,

05:24:46.740 you know,

05:24:47.760 there's a mind virus

05:24:48.900 that infects

05:24:50.140 all of humanity?

05:24:51.080 Oh,

05:24:51.500 hold on,

05:24:51.940 hold on.

05:24:52.300 And here's the context

05:24:53.240 for the war.

05:24:53.880 This is,

05:24:54.140 you need help.

05:24:54.560 Here's the context

05:24:55.160 for the war.

05:24:56.160 What?

05:24:56.660 Hold on.

05:24:57.180 Here's the context

05:24:57.840 for the war.

05:24:59.560 Hey,

05:25:00.500 let's say I'll put it

05:25:01.680 in the context

05:25:02.220 of,

05:25:02.520 like,

05:25:02.800 the United States,

05:25:03.560 Mexico.

05:25:04.560 Yo,

05:25:04.880 what's up,

05:25:05.340 Mexico?

05:25:06.440 Hey,

05:25:06.900 what's up?

05:25:07.640 What's up,

05:25:08.060 fool?

05:25:08.420 What's up?

05:25:09.460 Hey,

05:25:09.740 what's up?

05:25:11.140 Hey,

05:25:11.620 let's go to war,

05:25:12.660 I say.

05:25:13.740 And it's just,

05:25:14.620 like,

05:25:14.760 some dumb shit

05:25:15.480 like that.

05:25:15.900 Like,

05:25:16.320 hey,

05:25:16.540 you want to just

05:25:17.060 go to war?

05:25:18.080 Okay,

05:25:18.340 that is stupid.

05:25:19.380 That would never occur.

05:25:20.140 Let's do it.

05:25:20.980 Let's say that's the context.

05:25:22.440 That does not make sense.

05:25:23.720 I know it's hypothetical.

05:25:24.260 Okay,

05:25:24.640 so what I'm saying

05:25:25.820 is I,

05:25:28.720 bruh.

05:25:30.640 Do you watch sports?

05:25:32.820 No.

05:25:33.060 Like,

05:25:33.240 are you a sports person?

05:25:34.080 Okay.

05:25:34.360 Not at all.

05:25:35.760 Um,

05:25:36.960 okay.

05:25:37.460 Like,

05:25:37.700 which team do you prefer?

05:25:40.220 Oh,

05:25:40.740 boy.

05:25:41.160 Oh,

05:25:41.500 my God.

05:25:41.520 Do you prefer team U.S.

05:25:43.080 War is not like a team.

05:25:44.580 It's not like playing a game.

05:25:45.740 Okay.

05:25:46.380 Okay.

05:25:46.840 Wait,

05:25:47.140 but,

05:25:47.280 but,

05:25:47.620 so,

05:25:48.220 you won't engage.

05:25:49.900 Thank you.

05:25:50.300 You had your chance.

05:25:51.440 So,

05:25:51.640 to you,

05:25:52.280 you said you're a U.S. citizen,

05:25:54.660 right?

05:25:54.900 Mm-hmm.

05:25:55.400 Okay,

05:25:55.720 are you a citizen of Mexico or no?

05:25:57.740 I'm gonna be.

05:25:58.980 Gonna be,

05:25:59.420 okay.

05:26:00.360 Isn't it crazy

05:26:01.440 that America

05:26:03.000 allows people

05:26:05.020 to be citizens

05:26:05.940 of the country

05:26:06.820 where if-

05:26:08.340 Allows.

05:26:08.880 I was,

05:26:09.380 is my birth destiny.

05:26:11.820 Right,

05:26:12.120 it allows you.

05:26:13.180 Um,

05:26:13.540 allows people

05:26:15.920 to be citizens

05:26:17.280 of the country

05:26:17.940 that,

05:26:19.680 but if it came to a war

05:26:21.280 with their,

05:26:22.520 like,

05:26:23.760 uh,

05:26:24.140 like,

05:26:24.640 historical,

05:26:25.340 historical,

05:26:25.960 familial,

05:26:26.820 uh,

05:26:27.500 you know,

05:26:27.820 the,

05:26:27.980 the land of their parents

05:26:29.060 or whatever,

05:26:30.000 they would quicker side

05:26:31.980 with a country

05:26:32.800 they're not citizens of.

05:26:35.720 That's crazy.

05:26:37.660 I pick Mexico

05:26:38.800 and Palestine

05:26:39.320 every time.

05:26:40.200 Wait,

05:26:40.740 even,

05:26:41.580 you'd pick Palestine?

05:26:42.980 Yeah.

05:26:43.540 You're not even,

05:26:46.620 like,

05:26:46.780 you don't have a tie

05:26:47.600 to Palestine?

05:26:48.180 Okay.

05:26:48.960 That's interesting.

05:26:51.100 Bro,

05:26:51.460 this is crazy.

05:26:53.700 Chat,

05:26:54.300 chat,

05:26:54.540 chat.

05:26:54.800 Zero patriotic pride here.

05:26:56.100 Do you see how

05:26:57.000 fucking crazy it is?

05:26:59.200 It's already happening.

05:27:00.280 What are you talking about?

05:27:00.960 It's already happening.

05:27:01.860 You guys are already

05:27:02.720 going after us.

05:27:04.540 Even if I am

05:27:05.240 the United States citizen

05:27:05.960 just because I have browns.

05:27:06.980 Of what?

05:27:07.820 I'm a dual citizen

05:27:08.820 of the United States

05:27:10.940 and France.

05:27:12.200 Oh.

05:27:12.400 However,

05:27:12.840 and by the way,

05:27:13.700 I was born in France.

05:27:15.680 However,

05:27:16.240 I've lived.

05:27:17.380 You're an immigrant.

05:27:19.000 I'm not an immigrant.

05:27:19.820 I'm a citizen.

05:27:20.160 You were born in France.

05:27:21.180 Oh,

05:27:21.580 shit.

05:27:21.760 I'm a citizen

05:27:22.360 of the United States

05:27:23.400 because I'm not

05:27:25.960 a fucking immigrant.

05:27:26.780 You're an immigrant.

05:27:27.920 Wait,

05:27:28.200 you're an immigrant.

05:27:29.620 No.

05:27:30.000 Yeah.

05:27:30.300 I'm not.

05:27:31.300 No,

05:27:31.600 because I have

05:27:32.280 So you're literally

05:27:32.780 an immigrant.

05:27:33.900 No.

05:27:34.540 Okay,

05:27:34.820 so you're getting

05:27:35.520 deported to France.

05:27:37.020 No,

05:27:37.700 holy shit.

05:27:37.760 So they're literally,

05:27:38.680 ICE is going to raid.

05:27:39.820 You think you have

05:27:40.700 a gotcha,

05:27:41.640 but it's completely

05:27:42.380 not a gotcha.

05:27:42.980 But like ICE could

05:27:44.040 raid you and take you

05:27:45.040 to France.

05:27:45.440 No,

05:27:45.620 it couldn't

05:27:46.140 because I'm an American citizen.

05:27:47.280 Why is it rage, baby?

05:27:47.840 This is not okay.

05:27:49.080 You're actually ridiculous.

05:27:50.860 This is like kind of scary for you.

05:27:52.600 Do you know how citizenship works?

05:27:54.340 So my mom is an American citizen.

05:27:57.200 If an American citizen woman

05:27:59.320 gives birth overseas,

05:28:01.700 that bestows America

05:28:02.780 immediately.

05:28:03.700 Well,

05:28:03.920 I think you have to do

05:28:04.600 paperwork or whatever.

05:28:05.840 Of course.

05:28:06.380 I was an American citizen

05:28:08.160 since the time I was a young child.

05:28:12.160 I wasn't an immigrant.

05:28:13.340 Your dad's French.

05:28:15.300 Yes,

05:28:15.840 my dad is French.

05:28:16.560 So you had to physically.

05:28:18.640 Yeah,

05:28:19.000 and he came here legally

05:28:20.100 and he went through,

05:28:21.520 he went through the process

05:28:22.900 of becoming a citizen

05:28:24.800 of this country.

05:28:25.940 And how long did it take him?

05:28:26.460 Legally,

05:28:27.000 a long time.

05:28:28.060 And the reason it took so long

05:28:29.600 is because the immigration system

05:28:31.360 is backed up

05:28:32.360 with a bunch of legal bullshit.

05:28:33.940 So anyways,

05:28:34.760 back to my point.

05:28:36.140 Even though I was born

05:28:37.400 in a foreign nation,

05:28:39.020 even though I have

05:28:39.980 dual citizenship,

05:28:41.720 I've lived the majority

05:28:42.900 of my life

05:28:43.720 in the United States.

05:28:44.940 You've never lived in France?

05:28:45.760 I have.

05:28:46.840 He was born there.

05:28:47.980 But no,

05:28:48.320 but have you,

05:28:48.680 like,

05:28:48.880 did you ever live there?

05:28:49.820 I moved here when I was five.

05:28:50.920 And you've never gone back?

05:28:52.900 What?

05:28:53.160 You've never gone back?

05:28:53.760 I've gone back,

05:28:54.360 yeah.

05:28:54.600 I've gone back.

05:28:56.240 He was conceived

05:28:57.240 and born in France.

05:28:59.920 I don't know why you,

05:29:00.800 is that like an own?

05:29:02.140 Oh my God,

05:29:03.000 you seem really anti-immigrant

05:29:04.520 at this point.

05:29:05.080 So anyways,

05:29:05.880 it's really,

05:29:07.760 now you're defending immigrants.

05:29:10.200 There's a big difference

05:29:10.940 between legal

05:29:11.840 and illegal immigrants.

05:29:13.860 This isn't even necessarily

05:29:14.980 a conversation

05:29:15.560 about immigration.

05:29:16.800 It's a conversation.

05:29:17.600 So as I was about

05:29:19.360 to finish my point,

05:29:20.560 despite me having

05:29:21.880 dual citizenship,

05:29:23.160 despite me having been

05:29:24.320 born in another country

05:29:25.400 and having lived there

05:29:26.480 for the first like

05:29:27.100 five years of my life,

05:29:28.260 I've lived the majority

05:29:29.220 of my life

05:29:29.980 in the United States.

05:29:31.300 I consider myself

05:29:32.340 an American first

05:29:33.640 and my loyalties,

05:29:34.940 if we were to go to war

05:29:35.720 with France,

05:29:36.640 even though I have

05:29:37.360 dual citizenship,

05:29:38.500 even though I have

05:29:39.180 like familial history

05:29:40.400 in France,

05:29:41.300 even though I live,

05:29:42.240 you know,

05:29:42.440 I was born there,

05:29:43.060 lived there for a period

05:29:44.020 of time,

05:29:44.780 my loyalties

05:29:45.600 are undeniably

05:29:47.960 to the United States.

05:29:50.020 Undeniably.

05:29:50.660 Okay, King.

05:29:51.620 But it's interesting

05:29:52.440 where with some people,

05:29:54.940 even though in your case

05:29:56.500 you were born here,

05:29:57.520 you're an American citizen,

05:29:58.720 you're not a Mexican citizen,

05:30:00.360 your loyalties lie

05:30:01.580 with Mexico.

05:30:03.120 How can,

05:30:03.980 oh God.

05:30:04.760 Yes, it does.

05:30:06.520 Bro,

05:30:07.420 America,

05:30:08.060 holy shit,

05:30:08.520 it's kind of cucked.

05:30:09.320 It's like actually,

05:30:10.420 like this,

05:30:11.780 it's kind of cucked,

05:30:12.660 bro.

05:30:12.820 Like imagine,

05:30:15.000 it's so cucked,

05:30:15.880 bro.

05:30:16.080 It's so cucked.

05:30:16.880 American citizens

05:30:17.940 hate America.

05:30:19.500 What the fuck,

05:30:20.580 bro?

05:30:20.960 America's a continent.

05:30:22.000 I don't hate America.

05:30:23.320 America's,

05:30:24.100 hold on,

05:30:24.540 America,

05:30:25.020 no, no, no.

05:30:25.160 It's a continent.

05:30:26.260 America can be used

05:30:27.980 interchangeably

05:30:28.760 with the United States

05:30:29.620 of America.

05:30:30.580 The country is a continent.

05:30:32.140 America is a continent.

05:30:32.500 Well,

05:30:32.620 there's North America

05:30:33.340 and South America.

05:30:34.560 Yeah,

05:30:35.000 so I love America.

05:30:36.280 Okay,

05:30:36.660 congrats.

05:30:38.020 That doesn't make any sense,

05:30:39.480 but okay.

05:30:39.780 She got me,

05:30:41.120 she thinks she got me there

05:30:42.180 with a little,

05:30:42.540 Oh,

05:30:43.140 you're American.

05:30:44.340 Yeah,

05:30:44.820 I'm a Native American.

05:30:48.120 Oh my God,

05:30:49.140 dude.

05:30:49.520 Sorry,

05:30:49.820 sorry,

05:30:49.940 so sorry.

05:30:50.520 Holy shit.

05:30:51.140 I am.

05:30:51.720 What,

05:30:51.880 what,

05:30:52.080 what,

05:30:52.360 what,

05:30:52.580 what,

05:30:52.740 what can you get through that?

05:30:53.640 You met her at a very

05:30:54.680 Cherokee princess time

05:30:55.980 in her life.

05:30:57.560 Always been.

05:30:59.600 10 out of 10,

05:31:00.540 and not Cherokee.

05:31:02.080 So I'm like,

05:31:03.720 I'd kind of like to know

05:31:04.720 more about like your

05:31:05.460 relationship status.

05:31:07.100 Like,

05:31:07.400 do you,

05:31:07.680 have you ever been

05:31:08.340 in a relationship?

05:31:09.160 I've had multiple

05:31:10.840 long-term relationships.

05:31:13.300 Oh.

05:31:13.920 Yeah.

05:31:14.900 What about the girl

05:31:15.400 who checked your phone?

05:31:16.880 Oh,

05:31:17.180 you saw her.

05:31:18.140 I dated her for a while,

05:31:20.260 quite a while.

05:31:21.120 I've had like two year,

05:31:22.480 one year,

05:31:22.740 I've had long-term relationships.

05:31:23.560 So have you ever cheated

05:31:24.620 in a relationship?

05:31:25.920 No.

05:31:26.720 Never?

05:31:27.360 Nope.

05:31:28.160 And most of the relationships,

05:31:30.140 have you initiated the breakup

05:31:32.340 or have they?

05:31:34.780 Are you just curious?

05:31:36.000 I feel like the way

05:31:36.680 you ask questions is like,

05:31:38.340 okay,

05:31:39.460 um.

05:31:40.000 Why?

05:31:41.080 I've,

05:31:41.540 I've ended some,

05:31:42.560 I've ended some relationships

05:31:44.020 and,

05:31:44.740 uh,

05:31:44.960 I've been broken up with.

05:31:47.220 Mm.

05:31:47.600 And do you feel like that frames

05:31:48.980 your ideology on dating?

05:31:51.460 Uh,

05:31:51.960 the breakups or?

05:31:53.120 Yeah.

05:31:53.420 Like,

05:31:53.700 like your experiences.

05:31:54.800 Do you feel that contributes

05:31:55.940 to like how you perceive women

05:31:57.740 and how you perceive dating?

05:31:59.740 Uh,

05:32:00.240 I feel like he's the only one

05:32:01.200 who hasn't done that.

05:32:01.680 Well,

05:32:01.780 I think most people

05:32:02.780 from their own dating experiences

05:32:05.440 would draw from their experiences

05:32:08.860 and interpretations

05:32:10.540 as it relates to how you view dating

05:32:12.700 or how you view the opposite sex.

05:32:14.940 Almost all of the people

05:32:16.540 I've had long-term relationships with,

05:32:18.780 um,

05:32:19.440 you know,

05:32:19.800 we ultimately ended up breaking up.

05:32:21.520 But with the exception of,

05:32:23.120 like,

05:32:23.420 one,

05:32:25.080 in terms of my long-term relationships,

05:32:26.460 I have very positive things

05:32:28.800 to say about my exes.

05:32:30.000 There was one girl

05:32:31.180 where it was a little,

05:32:32.340 uh,

05:32:33.320 nothing crazy,

05:32:34.660 not like,

05:32:35.880 but it was a little bit toxic.

05:32:38.380 One,

05:32:39.160 but of the majority,

05:32:40.500 the majority of my long-term relationships,

05:32:41.940 they were great women.

05:32:44.380 Um,

05:32:44.880 it didn't work out

05:32:45.760 as I think things can not work out.

05:32:47.700 And,

05:32:48.520 you know,

05:32:49.460 there's not somebody's at fault

05:32:50.980 or,

05:32:51.360 you know,

05:32:51.580 somebody was abusive

05:32:53.260 or somebody,

05:32:54.740 um,

05:32:55.120 I think sometimes

05:32:55.920 it's a mismatch

05:32:57.140 and nobody's did something wrong.

05:32:59.500 Just,

05:33:00.080 so,

05:33:01.320 uh,

05:33:01.720 do you think your job

05:33:03.080 has anything to affect

05:33:04.480 your relationship?

05:33:05.180 Like,

05:33:05.640 the fact that you talk

05:33:06.560 to all kinds of women all day?

05:33:08.300 Uh,

05:33:08.600 I suppose some women

05:33:10.280 might be like,

05:33:11.160 wow,

05:33:11.880 he's hanging out

05:33:12.980 with a bunch of women.

05:33:13.960 Maybe they-

05:33:14.360 Do you think that's a problem

05:33:15.020 in a relationship?

05:33:16.060 Mm-hmm.

05:33:16.900 Um,

05:33:17.520 I think some women

05:33:18.780 can have an issue with it.

05:33:20.380 What about you?

05:33:21.520 Oh,

05:33:21.780 do I have?

05:33:22.780 I don't,

05:33:23.440 I don't think,

05:33:24.580 me personally,

05:33:25.160 I don't think it's an issue.

05:33:26.560 But,

05:33:27.100 um,

05:33:27.280 Side eye.

05:33:29.360 I mean,

05:33:30.000 look,

05:33:30.220 it's a conversation podcast.

05:33:32.640 Has it ever affected your relationship?

05:33:33.900 Why is it only women?

05:33:34.800 Oh,

05:33:34.980 yeah,

05:33:35.120 sure.

05:33:35.420 There's no flirting happening.

05:33:36.380 That's what I'm saying.

05:33:37.500 Not inflating anybody's egos.

05:33:38.960 Yeah,

05:33:39.280 sure.

05:33:39.500 I think probably girls I've,

05:33:40.780 I've dated have maybe been like,

05:33:43.580 had some issues with like,

05:33:45.080 jealousy or like,

05:33:46.440 yeah,

05:33:47.020 sure.

05:33:47.500 Would you ever stop for the right one

05:33:49.280 if it was an issue?

05:33:50.760 For the right woman

05:33:51.560 or the perfect woman?

05:33:52.880 Ooh.

05:33:54.020 The right woman.

05:33:54.840 There's no such thing as perfect.

05:33:56.720 Well,

05:33:56.920 when I think,

05:33:57.860 would I stop for the right woman?

05:34:00.060 Is the right woman a billionaire?

05:34:02.360 Then yes.

05:34:03.540 I'll do a lot of shit

05:34:05.060 for a billionaire woman.

05:34:07.320 Would you be a good husband

05:34:08.600 for a billionaire wife?

05:34:10.060 I'll be a stay-at-home dad.

05:34:11.360 Hell yeah.

05:34:11.940 Hell yeah.

05:34:12.220 That's the only condition.

05:34:13.560 We're going to pump out so many kids

05:34:15.320 and I'm going to fucking

05:34:16.520 just kick it with the kids.

05:34:17.940 Hell yeah.

05:34:18.360 I'm going to kick it with the kids.

05:34:20.140 Brian's a cool dad.

05:34:21.180 We're going to go to the beach.

05:34:22.200 I'm going to go to the beach

05:34:22.900 with my kids

05:34:23.400 and never have to work.

05:34:24.680 And like,

05:34:24.980 I have like a masseuse

05:34:26.080 and a maid

05:34:26.780 and a chef.

05:34:28.620 See, men would love to have our jobs.

05:34:30.340 That's always a billionaire lifestyle.

05:34:33.020 Shit, yeah.

05:34:34.200 You're not getting that

05:34:34.880 from the woman

05:34:36.060 who's working at Walmart.

05:34:38.560 Oh, definitely not.

05:34:39.720 So otherwise you wouldn't.

05:34:42.020 So, I mean,

05:34:42.740 you ask me like,

05:34:44.340 or the woman is so obscenely wealthy

05:34:46.240 that like,

05:34:47.420 neither of us has to work.

05:34:50.500 Yeah, sure.

05:34:51.320 I'd give up my job.

05:34:52.300 Whatever.

05:34:52.540 So if there's any fucking,

05:34:56.880 nah, I wouldn't take the feminist though.

05:34:59.580 Or well, hold on.

05:35:00.440 Let me think about this.

05:35:02.000 Never say never.

05:35:02.800 Maybe a really, really, really good feminist.

05:35:03.720 She would have to,

05:35:04.420 we would have to align

05:35:05.500 with like our core guiding principles

05:35:08.780 and beliefs and morals or whatever.

05:35:10.540 There would have to be alignment there.

05:35:14.520 But you see no issue with your job

05:35:16.640 and then like having a separate relationship.

05:35:18.240 Like you don't see any issue

05:35:19.100 because it's totally professional.

05:35:20.900 I mean, like just.

05:35:21.760 It's not professional.

05:35:22.960 Well, the environment

05:35:24.460 that you're surrounding yourself.

05:35:27.180 Wait, so what?

05:35:28.280 You're not conflicted.

05:35:29.200 Like you wouldn't expect

05:35:30.320 like a woman to have an issue with it.

05:35:32.920 All the girls you talk to.

05:35:34.500 He said some woman might have an issue with it.

05:35:36.220 Yes.

05:35:36.560 Some women might have an issue with it, but.

05:35:39.520 But you don't have an issue with it.

05:35:42.840 No, I don't.

05:35:43.740 I don't have an issue with.

05:35:46.340 Like a woman, if she,

05:35:48.000 look, if a woman wants to date me.

05:35:49.980 Then she has to accept it.

05:35:51.660 She's going to have to accept it.

05:35:53.480 I mean, but she would know going in.

05:35:55.600 Yeah.

05:35:56.120 What the deal is.

05:35:57.240 Hmm.

05:35:58.100 You said you would do a lot for a billionaire woman.

05:36:00.140 Would you,

05:36:00.620 would you submit to a billionaire woman

05:36:02.620 physically and emotionally?

05:36:04.840 Oh.

05:36:06.720 Hmm.

05:36:09.760 I thought it was a fun question.

05:36:11.140 Sorry.

05:36:11.760 Not if it was in the,

05:36:13.180 not if it was like within the purview

05:36:15.660 of like a degradation.

05:36:17.160 Okay.

05:36:18.000 Thing.

05:36:18.500 Yeah.

05:36:18.620 You're not into what you're not into.

05:36:20.060 When you say submission though.

05:36:21.860 So like,

05:36:22.200 she's the boss.

05:36:23.220 Yeah.

05:36:23.360 Like she wears the pants.

05:36:25.220 I think that would.

05:36:26.380 But is she bossy?

05:36:29.200 I think it has more personality.

05:36:31.180 I think it would be hard.

05:36:32.340 Like,

05:36:32.600 so I,

05:36:33.540 I have like a strong inclination

05:36:35.580 towards like wanting to be a leader

05:36:39.000 in my relationship.

05:36:39.900 So we'd probably butt heads.

05:36:43.020 Uh,

05:36:44.140 but if,

05:36:47.120 if she's just a billionaire

05:36:48.300 and she's like,

05:36:49.360 look,

05:36:50.500 um,

05:36:51.680 I'm a fucking billionaire,

05:36:52.680 Brian,

05:36:53.140 you don't have to work.

05:36:55.480 Who's not taking the fucking deal?

05:36:57.200 Right.

05:36:57.960 No,

05:36:58.180 no.

05:36:58.320 I think that's the kind of the thing I like

05:36:59.580 about like the gender roles

05:37:00.720 and being able to swap them like that

05:37:02.180 because it really does work out

05:37:03.380 as long as you're evenly contributing

05:37:04.980 the way that you should be

05:37:06.420 to the relationship.

05:37:07.540 It doesn't matter really,

05:37:08.600 you know?

05:37:08.940 I mean my ideal though

05:37:10.280 in that situation,

05:37:11.080 like she could be the breadwinner

05:37:13.660 or whatever,

05:37:14.240 uh,

05:37:15.260 but I would still want to have

05:37:16.680 a leadership role

05:37:17.500 in the relationship.

05:37:19.160 Now some things can be negotiated.

05:37:21.180 Like

05:37:21.600 my thinking here is,

05:37:26.000 and some guys in the chat

05:37:27.100 might be like,

05:37:27.640 that's an L.

05:37:29.000 That's an L,

05:37:29.820 Brian.

05:37:30.180 No,

05:37:30.400 you should continue to be a,

05:37:31.660 like a,

05:37:32.240 uh,

05:37:33.580 fucking slaving away with work

05:37:35.700 so you can maintain like full,

05:37:38.180 uh,

05:37:39.740 I don't,

05:37:41.760 not dominance,

05:37:42.620 but you can maintain full autonomy.

05:37:47.240 I don't know if that,

05:37:48.220 I want to think of the appropriate framing.

05:37:51.020 Some guys wouldn't do the trade.

05:37:52.520 Basically,

05:37:52.920 they'd be like,

05:37:53.660 no,

05:37:53.880 I'm going to continue breaking my body

05:37:56.060 for like 30 years

05:37:57.220 so I can like have a bit of an edge up

05:37:59.620 in my relationship.

05:38:00.460 There are some like

05:38:01.880 pragmatically speaking,

05:38:04.480 there are some things

05:38:05.960 that I would consider negotiable

05:38:07.500 if she's a fucking billionaire,

05:38:09.540 but I'm not going to falter

05:38:12.020 on my values.

05:38:13.500 Like she can't be a piece of shit.

05:38:15.780 Like I'm not going to date.

05:38:17.340 Yeah.

05:38:17.520 Like even if she's a mate,

05:38:18.700 like a super rich,

05:38:20.400 but she's a terrible person.

05:38:22.020 Like,

05:38:22.460 no,

05:38:22.640 I don't care.

05:38:23.100 Then I don't want to be

05:38:23.680 in a relationship with you.

05:38:24.980 Maybe I'll marry you for five years

05:38:26.280 and then get the alimony,

05:38:27.280 but just kidding.

05:38:28.760 She's a feminist.

05:38:30.760 What if she's a feminist?

05:38:31.860 Is she a billionaire?

05:38:32.520 And she's really rich.

05:38:33.480 How radical of a,

05:38:34.760 if she's like milquetoast.

05:38:36.280 Definitely getting that alimony.

05:38:39.140 She's pink pilled.

05:38:40.220 Oh,

05:38:40.360 whatever.

05:38:40.660 I'll just argue with her all the time

05:38:42.080 and she can pay for all my shit.

05:38:45.140 I don't know.

05:38:45.880 Some people,

05:38:46.440 some people are going to disagree,

05:38:48.640 but like think about the guys in the chat

05:38:50.360 who work like backbreaking jobs.

05:38:53.240 Are you willing to compromise

05:38:54.780 on a few small things

05:38:56.420 to never have to work again?

05:38:58.240 Like my perspective,

05:38:59.560 what if,

05:38:59.800 what if you're a man

05:39:01.760 and I'm not saying like date somebody

05:39:05.280 who like is a good fit for you.

05:39:07.240 I'm not saying you have to,

05:39:08.380 this billionaire person

05:39:09.420 baked into this hypothetical.

05:39:10.980 She's a terrible person

05:39:12.480 and she's going to like be abusive

05:39:14.040 or she's going to like,

05:39:15.660 you know,

05:39:16.740 I'm,

05:39:17.100 I'm assuming she's also like a good person

05:39:19.140 and we get along

05:39:19.920 and all this sort of stuff.

05:39:20.900 But in terms of the relationship dynamic,

05:39:23.020 are there certain things

05:39:24.540 I'd be willing to like bend on

05:39:27.940 in terms of like idealistic relationship dynamic?

05:39:33.220 Yeah.

05:39:34.300 Cause I think,

05:39:35.520 okay,

05:39:36.440 I have to,

05:39:37.820 let's say like part of this is like,

05:39:40.160 I have to be,

05:39:42.300 well,

05:39:43.400 if she's a billionaire,

05:39:44.180 she doesn't have to like work really,

05:39:45.600 right?

05:39:45.740 Got the,

05:39:48.380 the peasants.

05:39:48.980 How about this?

05:39:49.460 The expectation,

05:39:50.520 if she's a billionaire,

05:39:51.940 the expectation is like,

05:39:54.520 neither of us work

05:39:55.900 and we equally are responsible

05:39:57.820 for like the,

05:39:58.860 raising the children.

05:40:01.200 I take that trade instantly.

05:40:02.800 And that's an,

05:40:03.340 if her billionaire butt didn't go get a nanny.

05:40:05.720 I'll take the trade.

05:40:06.900 I don't know.

05:40:07.360 I take the trade instantly.

05:40:09.060 I think to myself,

05:40:10.200 shit,

05:40:10.340 you're going to free me up,

05:40:11.540 free up the next 20,

05:40:12.900 30 years of my life

05:40:13.720 to not have to work.

05:40:14.800 Sign me up.

05:40:18.400 Okay.

05:40:18.600 Let me move off of that though.

05:40:19.760 But you could use some of your house husband allowance

05:40:21.460 to pay a housekeeper.

05:40:24.360 Oh yeah.

05:40:25.000 Shit.

05:40:25.220 If she's a billionaire,

05:40:26.160 everything's taken care of.

05:40:27.300 So I don't know.

05:40:29.340 Actually really quick on this topic.

05:40:32.000 I know some of you have like really strong career ambitions,

05:40:35.420 whatever.

05:40:36.360 I think you want to be a lawyer.

05:40:39.580 Zoology or something,

05:40:40.960 right?

05:40:41.200 Animal conservation.

05:40:42.560 For the perfect man

05:40:43.780 and then entailment here would be,

05:40:45.620 he's like super wealthy.

05:40:46.800 So you wouldn't like financially,

05:40:48.520 you wouldn't have to work.

05:40:50.120 I get that when it comes to careers,

05:40:51.980 sometimes people like,

05:40:53.020 it's not just about the money.

05:40:55.000 I get that.

05:40:56.540 For the perfect man who could be super wealthy,

05:40:59.380 do you completely give up your educational and career ambitions?

05:41:06.420 Perfect.

05:41:06.960 No.

05:41:07.500 Nope.

05:41:07.920 Okay.

05:41:08.240 Yes.

05:41:08.580 Yes.

05:41:12.420 Yeah.

05:41:13.480 Okay.

05:41:14.880 Into the mic?

05:41:16.360 No.

05:41:17.780 No.

05:41:18.420 Okay.

05:41:19.260 Essie?

05:41:19.840 Yes.

05:41:21.040 Yes.

05:41:21.980 Yes.

05:41:22.660 Fuck yeah.

05:41:24.080 No.

05:41:24.720 Okay.

05:41:25.020 So it's just no,

05:41:27.320 I think.

05:41:28.080 And no.

05:41:29.820 Interesting.

05:41:31.840 Well,

05:41:32.300 that doesn't include hobbies,

05:41:33.540 right?

05:41:33.700 What if the music thing doesn't take off though?

05:41:36.900 Well,

05:41:37.120 I work in cannabis.

05:41:39.440 So you,

05:41:40.480 like,

05:41:41.380 can I ask you a question?

05:41:42.200 In terms of like men you've dated,

05:41:44.980 have any of them even been anywhere near or the men that are even out there in the dating pool?

05:41:51.280 Have any of them even been near perfect?

05:41:55.260 Near perfect.

05:41:56.360 Not near,

05:41:56.980 right?

05:41:57.300 Not near,

05:41:57.920 right?

05:41:58.460 Most,

05:41:59.540 this probably goes both ways.

05:42:00.740 Like,

05:42:01.560 we are going to have to settle on some things that we want.

05:42:05.260 Like,

05:42:05.560 we're probably not going to get that like a 10 out of 10 in looks and their personality is 10 out of,

05:42:09.460 and their 10 out of 10,

05:42:10.880 uh,

05:42:11.400 you know,

05:42:12.480 humor or whatever,

05:42:13.560 all these,

05:42:13.940 all the traits that you care about.

05:42:15.860 There are some things that are not going to be maximized,

05:42:18.240 right?

05:42:18.380 I guess that's where love comes in,

05:42:19.580 right?

05:42:19.960 Like,

05:42:20.220 well,

05:42:20.320 I feel like there's also this,

05:42:21.400 like,

05:42:21.420 even with love.

05:42:22.440 Oh,

05:42:22.660 go ahead.

05:42:23.040 I feel like there's also this expectation to have like everything in common with your partner and then having similarities and having things in common are totally different.

05:42:30.400 Like,

05:42:30.760 you can have commonalities without doing everything that each other does.

05:42:34.860 So you want to be,

05:42:36.060 by the way,

05:42:36.560 your billionaire husband or whatever could like,

05:42:39.120 literally give you a pot farm on your house.

05:42:42.720 So you're in the cannabis industry.

05:42:44.540 Like,

05:42:45.020 what do you do?

05:42:45.460 Sales?

05:42:45.500 Yeah,

05:42:45.600 but if he's an asshole,

05:42:46.860 like,

05:42:47.280 that's what he's saying.

05:42:48.140 You don't have to compromise your moral values.

05:42:49.680 No,

05:42:49.820 he's a perfect man.

05:42:50.280 So this means like,

05:42:52.180 perfect.

05:42:53.620 The only trade-off that you have to make is you can't do career.

05:42:59.560 You can't do nothing.

05:43:01.160 Well,

05:43:01.400 you can,

05:43:01.660 you can,

05:43:02.280 you can still make music.

05:43:03.440 You just don't like make money.

05:43:04.460 You can't make money off of it.

05:43:05.440 You can't.

05:43:05.980 No,

05:43:06.100 but you're getting money.

05:43:07.060 So it's like the same thing.

05:43:08.040 You couldn't.

05:43:08.620 No,

05:43:09.040 because in his money is anything a man can gives you.

05:43:12.380 He can take away.

05:43:13.160 I want my own stuff.

05:43:14.640 Hold on.

05:43:15.140 But when we're talking perfect here,

05:43:16.440 an extension of this would be not going to take it.

05:43:19.380 No,

05:43:19.740 he's with you forever.

05:43:21.100 Yeah.

05:43:21.440 Like he's not going to dump you.

05:43:22.680 He's not going to.

05:43:23.640 He's perfectly loyal.

05:43:25.820 Perfectly loyal.

05:43:26.580 Damn.

05:43:26.780 Never leaves you.

05:43:29.800 Treats you amazingly.

05:43:32.160 So like,

05:43:32.940 think about you've,

05:43:34.360 you'll never have a fight with this person ever.

05:43:37.460 No cop,

05:43:38.240 no drama,

05:43:38.800 no conflict.

05:43:39.420 Maybe some chicks like that.

05:43:40.500 I don't know.

05:43:41.900 No rainbow scenario.

05:43:44.160 Sometimes I fight everyone's while just for fun.

05:43:45.880 Don't do the trade.

05:43:47.400 If it's perfect like that.

05:43:49.080 I said perfect man.

05:43:51.340 Who's also super rich.

05:43:55.060 Yeah.

05:43:55.860 Yeah.

05:43:56.540 Yeah.

05:43:56.860 You do it.

05:43:57.280 Okay.

05:43:57.500 There's no,

05:43:57.900 but that doesn't exist.

05:43:59.200 Right.

05:43:59.680 It doesn't exist.

05:44:00.600 Yeah.

05:44:00.940 It doesn't exist.

05:44:02.420 So.

05:44:03.220 I still got to work.

05:44:04.320 Perfect man.

05:44:04.640 I mean,

05:44:07.000 I think like a lot of what I do,

05:44:08.280 I do it cause I'm passionate about it.

05:44:09.980 Not because of like the money.

05:44:11.720 You could still follow your passions.

05:44:15.240 Without having.

05:44:15.880 No,

05:44:16.200 I mean,

05:44:16.420 I'm just saying like,

05:44:17.560 I don't think a perfect man would have me stop my career.

05:44:21.040 And like what I'm passionate about.

05:44:22.520 Well,

05:44:22.560 that's the trade off,

05:44:23.400 right?

05:44:23.660 Yeah.

05:44:23.960 So he's perfect,

05:44:25.560 but this.

05:44:26.740 You birth him into creation by giving away your career.

05:44:29.920 I mean,

05:44:30.300 I just think like.

05:44:31.700 Yeah.

05:44:32.340 Stuff that I do specifically,

05:44:34.340 like career wise,

05:44:35.360 I'm just very passionate about it.

05:44:37.260 So I wouldn't want to give that up.

05:44:39.120 You'd want to be an attorney,

05:44:40.180 right?

05:44:40.780 Yeah.

05:44:41.960 Really high rates of alcoholism,

05:44:44.080 super stressful job.

05:44:48.020 Public defender or criminal?

05:44:49.820 Criminal defense.

05:44:50.640 Criminal defense.

05:44:52.160 I mean,

05:44:52.960 they can make good money,

05:44:57.540 but like,

05:44:58.020 it's not crazy,

05:44:59.060 you know?

05:45:00.440 And a billion dollars.

05:45:01.460 That's a lot of money.

05:45:02.240 Yeah.

05:45:02.360 Never have to work a day in your life.

05:45:03.700 You can travel wherever you want to go,

05:45:05.360 eat whatever you want,

05:45:06.600 have like a staff of people taking care of everything.

05:45:10.460 Don't do the trade.

05:45:13.260 I don't think like money is everything.

05:45:15.520 I think there's more.

05:45:16.980 Isn't that kind of pretty good though?

05:45:18.660 It is.

05:45:19.080 It is nice.

05:45:20.100 I can get,

05:45:20.840 definitely give you that.

05:45:21.520 I think it's,

05:45:22.800 it would be like very nice,

05:45:24.020 but I think like with law and also like the work stuff I do with like

05:45:30.940 influencing,

05:45:31.880 like I genuinely enjoy doing it.

05:45:33.860 I think I'm like passionate about it.

05:45:36.120 Like I would,

05:45:37.320 even if like doing TikTok stuff didn't make me any money,

05:45:42.180 I'd probably still do it.

05:45:43.300 Cause you could do that staying with your billionaire husband,

05:45:45.360 because that's not a career.

05:45:46.740 It's just,

05:45:47.400 you know,

05:45:47.560 a small income.

05:45:48.680 He's basically just saying you don't need that money.

05:45:51.000 I got it for the sake of the hypothetical.

05:45:52.640 She has to give it up.

05:45:54.120 She can't do social media.

05:45:55.540 Okay.

05:45:55.960 Okay.

05:45:57.260 Like that is something that I genuinely am passionate about and like excites me.

05:46:01.960 And you know what's better than passion?

05:46:03.600 What?

05:46:04.040 Never having to worry about money your entire life,

05:46:07.640 having every,

05:46:08.860 anything you want,

05:46:10.720 you can buy it.

05:46:11.440 Anything you need,

05:46:12.440 you can have it.

05:46:13.180 You can financially support the charitable causes that you carry on.

05:46:16.080 I know,

05:46:16.280 but I think money isn't what wakes me up in the morning.

05:46:18.700 Like my passion for life and certain things is what gets me up in the morning.

05:46:23.700 Have you been to Hawaii?

05:46:24.520 No.

05:46:24.860 I love it there.

05:46:25.880 Mm-hmm.

05:46:27.080 I know,

05:46:27.520 but.

05:46:27.600 You can be very passionate about going to Hawaii.

05:46:28.720 I agree,

05:46:29.100 but I think you can.

05:46:29.700 Living in Hawaii.

05:46:30.320 You can live in Hawaii.

05:46:30.960 You can buy an Islander.

05:46:32.640 I know,

05:46:33.000 but I,

05:46:33.220 I know many people that have like access to all the money that they want and

05:46:37.100 they're still not happy.

05:46:38.360 I actually have a question message from the government of Canada.

05:46:41.400 Pasty George donated $200 and four cents.

05:46:45.660 Shares one,

05:46:46.660 three and four can vote and have been for a while now.

05:46:50.120 We can thank them for this messed up society where immigrants are running

05:46:53.780 wild and kids are being tricked into taking buberty blockers.

05:46:57.080 That's a little dramatic.

05:46:57.440 Thank you,

05:46:57.800 Pasty George.

05:46:59.380 Uh,

05:46:59.640 I do have to move it on just for the sake of time.

05:47:02.400 Uh,

05:47:02.580 Asmongold,

05:47:03.200 ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.

05:47:05.800 Is that actually Asmongold?

05:47:07.020 It is for sure.

05:47:07.920 I love him.

05:47:08.240 Uh,

05:47:08.540 can't pick seven.

05:47:10.640 Looks,

05:47:11.100 scale of one to 10,

05:47:11.840 can't pick seven,

05:47:12.540 starting with you.

05:47:13.200 Why can't pick seven?

05:47:14.900 It's six or eight.

05:47:15.980 Because it's like the most average number that women pick.

05:47:18.620 Yeah.

05:47:18.920 Gotta pick a sign.

05:47:19.880 Quick,

05:47:20.100 quick,

05:47:20.260 quick.

05:47:20.520 I don't like this rating thing.

05:47:22.820 Next person.

05:47:24.280 Oh,

05:47:24.720 we should rate each other.

05:47:25.500 I hate rate.

05:47:26.760 I don't,

05:47:27.080 I think it's like superficial.

05:47:28.680 I think it's like derogatory to rate women.

05:47:31.520 Well,

05:47:31.660 you can rate men.

05:47:32.500 Do you,

05:47:33.260 you can rate.

05:47:34.220 I think rating people in general is derogatory and reduces them to simply their appearance.

05:47:39.620 Uh,

05:47:40.140 would you date a guy who's shorter than you?

05:47:42.480 I date a guy that's probably the same height as me.

05:47:45.200 Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?

05:47:48.200 Like,

05:47:48.680 how short are we talking?

05:47:50.660 How tall are you?

05:47:51.780 Five,

05:47:52.220 six.

05:47:52.860 Five,

05:47:53.180 four.

05:47:53.320 Honestly,

05:47:57.120 I probably would.

05:47:58.100 I've dated really short guys.

05:47:59.800 Is it your preference to date somebody taller though?

05:48:02.500 Yeah,

05:48:02.760 I would prefer someone who's taller.

05:48:04.560 So there is,

05:48:05.540 there is an idea that somebody can check off all your preferences and technically be this

05:48:10.280 like quote 10 out of 10 guy.

05:48:14.560 I think,

05:48:15.640 yes,

05:48:16.180 but,

05:48:16.320 but it's,

05:48:16.920 I mean,

05:48:17.360 there have been very,

05:48:18.460 very attractive men who I'm not interested in because of their personality.

05:48:21.660 I don't think we can reduce everything down to,

05:48:24.020 oh,

05:48:24.160 she's a,

05:48:24.560 this number.

05:48:25.060 She's a,

05:48:25.360 this number.

05:48:25.800 She's a,

05:48:26.120 that number.

05:48:28.440 What,

05:48:28.940 if you had to though,

05:48:30.300 would like,

05:48:30.780 would you be able to say what you think you are?

05:48:39.540 Reduce myself to a number?

05:48:40.900 Gun to your head.

05:48:41.780 I don't think it's possible to reduce myself into a number.

05:48:45.540 I guess I'll just,

05:48:46.180 do you think you're a 10?

05:48:48.920 In terms of conventional beauty standards,

05:48:51.640 like Western beauty standards and what the West deems attractive.

05:48:57.640 Do you want to just answer the question?

05:49:00.160 I think as a punishment for not answering the question,

05:49:02.320 we should all be able to rate somebody.

05:49:04.740 Here,

05:49:05.120 I'll give you a,

05:49:05.760 that's a yellow card.

05:49:08.220 Yellow card for Selena.

05:49:09.920 Flagged.

05:49:10.320 All right.

05:49:11.160 Uh,

05:49:11.360 okay.

05:49:12.820 That's a yellow card for Selena.

05:49:14.460 It's like sports.

05:49:15.380 No,

05:49:15.720 I know what a yellow card,

05:49:16.460 I play soccer.

05:49:17.120 It's like a warning.

05:49:17.660 It's a five minute mute.

05:49:19.140 Um,

05:49:19.540 okay.

05:49:20.500 Your answer.

05:49:21.380 Um,

05:49:21.780 I would say objectively a six with everything on,

05:49:25.400 maybe an eight.

05:49:26.920 So six without,

05:49:28.480 like makeup.

05:49:29.640 Okay.

05:49:29.760 Without,

05:49:30.000 yeah.

05:49:30.320 10.

05:49:30.660 I love myself.

05:49:31.360 10.

05:49:31.720 Okay.

05:49:31.940 What about you?

05:49:32.520 10.

05:49:33.000 10.

05:49:33.380 Okay.

05:49:33.800 Eight.

05:49:34.320 Eight.

05:49:35.160 Six.

05:49:35.640 Slightly above average.

05:49:36.860 Five.

05:49:37.480 Okay.

05:49:37.700 What about you?

05:49:38.260 I'm going to say six.

05:49:38.940 I give myself a five.

05:49:40.920 Uh,

05:49:41.440 okay.

05:49:41.740 So we have 10 and 10.

05:49:43.640 What,

05:49:43.860 Essie,

05:49:44.100 what did you say?

05:49:44.760 Eight.

05:49:45.120 Eight.

05:49:45.340 Okay.

05:49:46.160 Uh,

05:49:46.520 so I'd like to talk to the two most beautiful women at the table at this moment.

05:49:51.580 Um,

05:49:52.620 can you tell me a guy who you think is a 10?

05:50:00.020 Like looks wise?

05:50:02.180 Yes.

05:50:02.400 Cause it's like,

05:50:02.780 yeah.

05:50:02.980 And then the attitude comes in.

05:50:04.260 Yes.

05:50:05.240 Oh my God.

05:50:05.640 He's super sexy.

05:50:08.440 Oh my God.

05:50:09.040 You know,

05:50:09.300 Roman Reigns.

05:50:10.700 Do you want to do anyone?

05:50:11.880 The wrestler,

05:50:12.980 the pro wrestler.

05:50:13.820 Yeah.

05:50:14.020 Yeah.

05:50:14.120 Yeah.

05:50:14.260 I know.

05:50:14.640 He's sexy.

05:50:15.860 Okay.

05:50:16.200 And then,

05:50:16.680 uh,

05:50:16.980 tell me a girl who you think is a 10.

05:50:23.620 Oh,

05:50:23.980 me.

05:50:25.080 Well,

05:50:25.420 besides you,

05:50:26.180 besides you,

05:50:27.520 like a famous,

05:50:29.080 like,

05:50:29.260 like,

05:50:30.060 Salma Hayek,

05:50:31.280 Salma Hayek.

05:50:32.480 Yeah.

05:50:32.680 Okay.

05:50:33.220 So,

05:50:33.480 uh,

05:50:34.440 Roman Reigns,

05:50:35.320 that's your league in terms of dating.

05:50:37.340 And then Salma Hayek,

05:50:38.700 that's your like looks equivalent.

05:50:41.480 Okay.

05:50:42.720 Uh,

05:50:43.040 and then name a girl,

05:50:44.200 name a guy.

05:50:45.000 Who's a 10?

05:50:46.700 I don't know.

05:50:47.580 Um,

05:50:48.060 maybe like Chad,

05:50:49.580 Michael Murray.

05:50:50.460 Pull that up.

05:50:51.260 When he was younger.

05:50:52.520 Chad,

05:50:52.540 Michael Murray.

05:50:54.300 Young Chad,

05:50:55.280 Michael Murray.

05:50:55.720 And then,

05:50:56.560 um,

05:50:56.940 for a girl,

05:50:57.740 Megan Fox.

05:50:59.620 Yeah,

05:51:00.100 sure.

05:51:00.320 Megan Fox is a 10.

05:51:01.020 Megan Fox is a 10.

05:51:02.320 Okay.

05:51:03.340 Um,

05:51:04.180 let's get the,

05:51:04.880 the thing pulled up here when you get a chance.

05:51:08.020 Okay.

05:51:08.900 Young.

05:51:09.640 There it is.

05:51:11.500 That's who we're talking about.

05:51:12.860 Yeah.

05:51:13.220 Yeah.

05:51:13.400 That's who she's talking about.

05:51:14.560 Okay.

05:51:14.780 So just,

05:51:15.460 and so you would say like,

05:51:18.280 that would be like a good looks match for you.

05:51:20.660 Like you,

05:51:21.520 cause you're a 10,

05:51:22.700 your looks match with young Chad,

05:51:24.280 Michael Murray.

05:51:25.520 That's your league.

05:51:27.100 I don't know.

05:51:27.780 It comes down to more than like looks that where I'm looking.

05:51:30.880 Just looks though.

05:51:31.720 Just on the looks front.

05:51:32.760 I get that.

05:51:33.120 He's like,

05:51:33.520 I guess a famous actor or whatever.

05:51:35.300 You can't consider that,

05:51:36.580 uh,

05:51:37.840 just on the looks basis.

05:51:40.320 Yeah.

05:51:40.660 No,

05:51:40.800 no,

05:51:40.820 there's other people that I think are tends to like other guys.

05:51:43.760 Yeah.

05:51:44.560 No,

05:51:44.840 but are you in like the league of the dude?

05:51:47.640 Yeah.

05:51:48.060 I'm not going to say that I'm anything less than a 10.

05:51:49.960 That'd be negative self-talk,

05:51:51.400 which would be not.

05:51:52.120 Honestly,

05:51:52.500 y'all would look good together.

05:51:53.800 Y'all would look good.

05:51:54.580 Thanks.

05:51:54.820 Well,

05:51:54.920 he's like 15 now.

05:51:56.040 young,

05:51:56.380 young.

05:51:58.000 Uh,

05:51:58.560 okay.

05:51:59.360 Um,

05:51:59.680 and then Megan Fox,

05:52:00.720 would you say that,

05:52:02.100 uh,

05:52:02.720 maybe young Megan Fox or whatever,

05:52:05.380 would you say that you are just as good looking as me?

05:52:08.740 I know you guys look different,

05:52:09.700 but are you just as good looking as Megan Fox?

05:52:12.120 Sure.

05:52:12.580 I mean,

05:52:12.780 mindset is everything.

05:52:13.520 So if I tell myself that I'm like beautiful on a 10,

05:52:16.020 then like,

05:52:16.460 I'm going to act that way and I'm going to live that way.

05:52:18.700 And like,

05:52:19.260 whatever you choose to believe is that way.

05:52:21.780 It doesn't matter to me.

05:52:25.660 Uh,

05:52:26.180 okay.

05:52:27.000 So,

05:52:27.400 um,

05:52:28.940 Salma Hayek.

05:52:30.620 So you are,

05:52:32.240 what the fuck was that?

05:52:34.280 Uh,

05:52:34.760 so you are just as good looking as Salma Hayek.

05:52:38.240 I think she just had the boobs,

05:52:40.540 her boobs.

05:52:41.480 Well,

05:52:41.680 how about just facial?

05:52:42.740 Face.

05:52:43.320 Just face.

05:52:45.620 Yeah.

05:52:46.240 Yeah.

05:52:54.700 Okay.

05:52:55.360 All right.

05:52:55.640 Um,

05:52:56.060 wait,

05:52:59.920 rate me.

05:53:03.200 I gave myself a five,

05:53:04.600 by the way.

05:53:05.740 You don't have to use that.

05:53:06.620 Of course,

05:53:06.900 you can go lower or higher.

05:53:09.440 I mean,

05:53:10.000 probably a four.

05:53:11.840 Four.

05:53:12.200 Okay.

05:53:12.760 What do you rate me?

05:53:13.440 I don't want to rate you.

05:53:14.400 That's fine.

05:53:14.780 I don't want to rate other people.

05:53:15.140 That's fine.

05:53:15.560 You don't have to.

05:53:16.640 Uh,

05:53:16.960 so,

05:53:17.280 okay.

05:53:17.640 You're a 10.

05:53:18.400 I'm a four.

05:53:19.020 If,

05:53:19.320 if we were dating,

05:53:20.260 of course we never would.

05:53:21.920 Um,

05:53:22.320 never.

05:53:23.520 Sorry.

05:53:23.880 just,

05:53:24.280 just,

05:53:24.300 yeah.

05:53:25.680 Um,

05:53:26.160 yeah,

05:53:27.160 I wish.

05:53:28.460 He said no first.

05:53:30.560 Girl,

05:53:31.240 it's a no over here.

05:53:32.320 Like,

05:53:32.640 you know,

05:53:32.940 look,

05:53:33.280 I,

05:53:33.420 I like Latina women,

05:53:34.540 but you know,

05:53:35.020 my,

05:53:35.280 my wheelhouse is white and Asian women.

05:53:37.540 So anyways,

05:53:38.100 um,

05:53:39.660 what people can have a type.

05:53:43.400 Yeah.

05:53:44.980 Thank goodness.

05:53:47.040 So anyways,

05:53:48.060 um,

05:53:48.580 you're really on the Valley girl stuff tonight.

05:53:50.740 I love it.

05:53:51.260 You would be like severely settling for me.

05:53:54.780 Okay.

05:53:55.300 Just,

05:53:55.840 it's a hard,

05:53:57.340 it's hard out there,

05:53:58.040 boys.

05:53:58.340 It's hard out there.

05:53:59.060 Um,

05:54:00.240 I guess my question is,

05:54:01.580 I don't know.

05:54:03.840 I'm not saying every woman here is average.

05:54:06.120 Can I point,

05:54:06.780 can I point out how humble this absolutely drop dead gorgeous woman was while we're all going around and having to listen to other people call themselves tens.

05:54:13.040 Like,

05:54:13.520 Oh my God,

05:54:14.200 that is amazing.

05:54:15.000 I'm gonna have to kiss you.

05:54:16.840 You guys should all think you guys are tens.

05:54:18.780 Coming soon to her.

05:54:19.820 I think that you can be,

05:54:20.600 I think that you can be like self-aware and acknowledge your flaws and also think that you're,

05:54:25.660 you know,

05:54:25.860 a good person and that you deserve good things.

05:54:27.940 But I think that's giving yourself grace,

05:54:29.720 not being realistic.

05:54:31.500 Right.

05:54:31.720 Like I said,

05:54:32.500 please listen.

05:54:33.140 I said,

05:54:33.380 I think that's,

05:54:34.080 I'm listening.

05:54:34.360 You're talking,

05:54:35.200 you're not listening and talking at the same time.

05:54:37.560 I'm saying you just need to give yourself grace.

05:54:40.160 That's not saying be delusional and call yourself,

05:54:42.740 you know,

05:54:43.100 perfect.

05:54:43.900 Cause nobody's perfect.

05:54:45.180 I think you can feel like you're perfect.

05:54:47.260 I think that if you tell yourself that you're perfect,

05:54:50.360 you will never want to grow,

05:54:51.740 change or be better.

05:54:52.680 And that's a problem.

05:54:54.460 Why can't look,

05:54:55.700 here's my question.

05:54:56.520 Um,

05:54:57.560 why can't average women just be like,

05:54:59.620 you know what?

05:55:00.060 I'm average looking.

05:55:01.680 Why can't average looking?

05:55:03.060 I don't know.

05:55:03.860 Just be like,

05:55:04.480 you know what?

05:55:04.900 I'm average looking.

05:55:06.220 Why is it?

05:55:06.500 I see,

05:55:06.940 I see men online being like,

05:55:08.140 I'm so hideous.

05:55:09.320 I still like,

05:55:10.940 honestly,

05:55:11.220 why can't we do it too?

05:55:12.120 Sad boys.

05:55:13.600 Why can't people be confident and happy?

05:55:16.740 Well,

05:55:16.800 I think,

05:55:17.240 but I would think at least my position would be,

05:55:20.580 I think it's more confident to just be like,

05:55:23.460 I'm a five,

05:55:25.220 I'm a six.

05:55:26.760 And I don't,

05:55:27.460 I don't feel bad.

05:55:28.620 If you feel like you're a five,

05:55:30.040 do you think anybody didn't rate themselves correctly?

05:55:32.720 According to your rating of them at this table?

05:55:34.400 I'm not going to rate anybody unless they like insist I do.

05:55:38.300 But,

05:55:38.760 um,

05:55:39.280 yeah,

05:55:39.620 there were some,

05:55:40.520 uh,

05:55:41.820 elevated ratings at the table.

05:55:47.500 If you want to feel like,

05:55:48.460 why does that matter to you though?

05:55:50.640 What's that?

05:55:51.100 Why does it matter?

05:55:51.680 I don't think it matters.

05:55:52.820 Well,

05:55:53.240 well,

05:55:54.000 we wouldn't have to be having this conversation if it didn't.

05:55:55.800 Well,

05:55:55.980 it matters.

05:55:56.680 I guess it matters in the following way.

05:55:58.720 So one of the problems I see dating podcast as it relates to dating.

05:56:03.280 Well,

05:56:04.260 one is obviously the truth.

05:56:05.720 It kind of matters and being,

05:56:07.800 I think humbleness is a virtue.

05:56:10.480 Modesty is a virtue.

05:56:12.260 And it seems like there's this sort of pride and ego.

05:56:16.340 I,

05:56:16.860 as it relates to confidence,

05:56:18.000 I think it's just as,

05:56:19.880 if not more confident instead of saying you're a 10,

05:56:22.500 just saying I'm a six and I'm a hundred percent fine with that.

05:56:26.620 I don't have like negative self image,

05:56:28.700 but like just there are certain things like that,

05:56:33.080 you know,

05:56:33.560 look,

05:56:33.960 beauty is subjective,

05:56:34.860 but not in like the strict philosophical sense.

05:56:37.160 I think that there are objective components to beauty in the same way that like,

05:56:42.480 why do we see certain patterns like facial symmetry,

05:56:46.460 skin health,

05:56:47.460 like these sorts of things,

05:56:48.720 like overwhelmingly there are certain like repeated universal things that people will deem to be physically attractive.

05:56:55.100 And it's like,

05:56:55.840 okay,

05:56:56.080 why do some people get modeling contracts and others don't if beauty is strictly subjective?

05:57:01.820 Although there's a bunch of,

05:57:03.360 well,

05:57:03.960 that's besides the point,

05:57:05.680 but sorry,

05:57:06.600 I'm what your question again was,

05:57:09.060 I'm sorry.

05:57:09.720 Well,

05:57:09.920 what was it?

05:57:11.020 Yeah.

05:57:11.320 Oh,

05:57:11.560 why do I care?

05:57:12.200 Okay.

05:57:12.440 As it relates to dating.

05:57:13.460 So I think,

05:57:14.040 and I think men can fall into this too,

05:57:16.280 but I do see this as a more frequent pattern with,

05:57:19.380 with women,

05:57:19.960 but I'll start with the criticism of men first to hopefully,

05:57:23.280 I guess,

05:57:24.700 make it make more sense.

05:57:26.060 Do you guys know any guys who think they're like hot shit,

05:57:29.340 but they're not?

05:57:30.420 Yeah.

05:57:30.900 Yes.

05:57:31.260 Like maybe they are cocky.

05:57:32.660 Maybe they have an ego.

05:57:33.840 Maybe look,

05:57:34.560 sometimes it's not even about their looks.

05:57:36.020 Right.

05:57:36.960 But sometimes these guys are cocky for a variety of reasons.

05:57:41.680 And they do think that they're like hot shit or good looking.

05:57:45.240 Right.

05:57:45.600 I think they call it big D energy.

05:57:47.900 Maybe.

05:57:48.340 But,

05:57:48.940 and I think that that's prideful.

05:57:51.980 I think that that's wrong in men.

05:57:55.080 And I think these men,

05:57:57.020 if they have this like unrealistic self-assessment of themselves,

05:58:02.420 I think what they're going to do is they're going to be like,

05:58:05.540 I deserve a 10 out of 10 Victoria's secret model,

05:58:08.800 fucking batty.

05:58:10.520 Nah,

05:58:11.100 dude,

05:58:11.440 you don't deserve,

05:58:12.420 like if you're fucking overweight and you're living in your mom's

05:58:16.740 basement and you're no,

05:58:19.200 well,

05:58:19.360 I don't want to introduce like factors that aren't related to looks,

05:58:22.380 but if you're not a good looking guy,

05:58:25.620 uh,

05:58:27.100 and you're just like unremarkable in other ways too,

05:58:29.520 but you think you're hot shit,

05:58:31.260 is it,

05:58:32.700 are you going to ever get into,

05:58:34.520 like,

05:58:35.040 are you going to ever date the woman you think you deserve?

05:58:38.340 Probably not.

05:58:39.100 Like if,

05:58:39.540 if you're some like neck beard playing video games and you're overweight and

05:58:44.160 you're smoking weed all day and you're in your mother's basement while you're

05:58:47.500 doing all this shit and you're not that good looking,

05:58:50.880 I'm sorry,

05:58:51.560 you're not getting the fucking 10 out of 10 baddie.

05:58:53.980 It's not happening.

05:58:55.720 And in that same vein,

05:58:57.020 I think if women think that they're more attractive than they otherwise are,

05:59:02.120 I think the manifestation of that is going to be,

05:59:05.360 you're going to be aiming for a certain caliber of guy that is out of your

05:59:11.780 league is out of your league in the same way that men can do that.

05:59:15.320 Like,

05:59:15.760 I think people got to be realistic about their prospects.

05:59:18.760 Like it is the case.

05:59:20.580 Like not every guy is going to get,

05:59:22.680 you know,

05:59:23.180 a 10 out of 10 like stun or smoke show model.

05:59:26.900 Like,

05:59:27.280 it's just,

05:59:27.820 it's just not,

05:59:28.800 I've never had a Victoria secret model slide into my DMS.

05:59:32.500 What the fuck?

05:59:33.300 And it's like,

05:59:34.360 Hey,

05:59:34.600 make a billion.

05:59:35.420 I don't expect it.

05:59:36.280 I don't have an expectation.

05:59:37.520 And I think expectation can be where people get into trouble.

05:59:41.140 But one difference that exists,

05:59:42.760 it's bad for men and women,

05:59:44.440 but one difference that exists is if I slide into,

05:59:48.840 um,

05:59:50.040 like a really beautiful girl's DMS,

05:59:53.040 like a,

05:59:53.520 a supermodel or something,

05:59:55.520 I'm not getting anything like it.

05:59:58.340 Or if I see a beautiful girl,

05:59:59.740 like a real,

06:00:00.520 like just clearly she's beautiful and she's out of my league.

06:00:03.540 Like you think,

06:00:04.200 right.

06:00:04.360 For example,

06:00:05.340 um,

06:00:06.000 you say you see a lot of beautiful girls with like less attractive.

06:00:09.920 Yeah.

06:00:10.140 Right.

06:00:10.460 Yeah.

06:00:10.940 So like if I step to a really beautiful girl and it's just,

06:00:13.980 look,

06:00:14.640 I'm,

06:00:16.980 she's out of my league.

06:00:17.740 She's way more,

06:00:18.440 she's more,

06:00:18.940 more attractive than I am.

06:00:20.080 Right.

06:00:21.020 I'm not,

06:00:21.660 I'm probably not getting a conversation.

06:00:23.940 I'm not getting a number.

06:00:25.140 I'm not getting a kiss.

06:00:26.140 I'm not getting a date.

06:00:27.480 I'm definitely not getting sex.

06:00:29.980 This is where men and women,

06:00:31.080 I think differ a little bit.

06:00:32.620 Um,

06:00:33.740 men and I'm,

06:00:34.700 men are wrong for what I'm about to describe,

06:00:36.880 because at least my perspective is,

06:00:39.300 I think if you're going to choose to have sex with somebody,

06:00:42.000 I think you should have,

06:00:43.900 sometimes it doesn't work out.

06:00:46.120 I get that.

06:00:46.880 You should have a baseline level of,

06:00:49.280 I want to pursue something with this person.

06:00:53.600 That's my,

06:00:54.340 I think that if you have sex with somebody,

06:00:56.360 there should be at least some inclination towards,

06:00:59.140 I'm not just using them for sex.

06:01:00.900 I'm not using them for X,

06:01:02.140 Y,

06:01:02.320 Z.

06:01:03.180 I want to see where this goes.

06:01:05.080 Sometimes,

06:01:05.620 Hey,

06:01:06.320 you,

06:01:06.500 you sleep with somebody,

06:01:07.640 you date them for a while.

06:01:08.820 It doesn't work out.

06:01:09.640 I get that.

06:01:10.320 That happens.

06:01:11.500 But I think the difference is where women get into trouble is women do have

06:01:18.540 limited sexual access to men outside of their league.

06:01:22.500 And I think,

06:01:22.980 look,

06:01:23.300 I'm going to say it's pro it's wrong,

06:01:25.480 but men will,

06:01:29.320 without any intention of ever wanting you for a relationship,

06:01:32.800 will sleep with women that on the sole basis of their looks alone,

06:01:39.340 like maybe the girl's great,

06:01:41.660 but,

06:01:42.840 uh,

06:01:44.480 on the looks basis,

06:01:45.880 he's like,

06:01:46.700 I would never be in a relationship with her.

06:01:48.940 So even if she,

06:01:50.000 he,

06:01:50.500 uh,

06:01:50.940 that girl meets all like the personality criteria,

06:01:53.660 the man will never give that girl a relationship just because her looks

06:01:57.800 aren't there.

06:01:58.840 But what,

06:01:59.640 what men will do,

06:02:01.020 like if a woman offers up,

06:02:02.800 let's say like a,

06:02:04.140 uh,

06:02:04.340 let's just say for the sake of conversation,

06:02:06.620 a woman who is less attractive than a guy offers up some pussy on the silver

06:02:12.960 platter.

06:02:13.320 Here's some pussy,

06:02:14.260 sir.

06:02:15.620 The guy's going to take the pussy.

06:02:17.120 Well,

06:02:17.420 thank you.

06:02:17.740 If,

06:02:18.080 if I step to,

06:02:19.520 if I step to like a girl who's one,

06:02:21.820 two,

06:02:22.040 or we could go two,

06:02:23.560 three,

06:02:23.720 four points above me in terms of looks.

06:02:27.240 And I'm like,

06:02:28.060 here's some Dick easy Dick.

06:02:30.440 Um,

06:02:30.960 uh,

06:02:31.100 you know,

06:02:31.320 we'll get along and I'll make some jokes and you'll have a good time.

06:02:34.420 Here's some Dick.

06:02:35.740 Would you like some Dick?

06:02:38.040 I'm not,

06:02:38.860 she's not taking the Dick.

06:02:40.180 She doesn't take the Dick.

06:02:41.740 I don't get anything.

06:02:43.300 Like I stepped to a model.

06:02:44.620 I don't get anything.

06:02:46.080 You want double it and pass it all.

06:02:47.980 But women,

06:02:49.280 but women,

06:02:50.000 y'all can step like women who y'all can step to a NFL player.

06:02:55.520 You can step or he can step to you,

06:02:57.980 but he doesn't want more than just sex.

06:03:00.660 Y'all can step to a,

06:03:01.780 like a guy outside your league and you're offering a pussy.

06:03:06.440 He'll,

06:03:06.940 he'll take the pussy.

06:03:07.680 Thank you for the pussy miss.

06:03:09.980 And,

06:03:10.380 and by the way,

06:03:11.360 he might,

06:03:11.900 and look,

06:03:12.880 I'm not saying it's right,

06:03:14.140 but,

06:03:15.080 and I think some women are actually,

06:03:17.440 you know,

06:03:18.420 they're probably okay with it.

06:03:20.500 Sort of.

06:03:21.260 They're like,

06:03:22.320 like you think a woman,

06:03:23.260 uh,

06:03:24.180 who's like trying to like sleep with like some famous rapper or Chris Brown.

06:03:27.780 Are they thinking,

06:03:28.820 you know,

06:03:29.120 he's going to,

06:03:30.500 he's going to hit.

06:03:31.480 If I give him some pussy,

06:03:32.440 is he going to be my husband?

06:03:34.220 No.

06:03:34.240 He's going to hit and dip.

06:03:34.780 No.

06:03:35.120 So I think some women get the game.

06:03:37.680 But I think the danger is,

06:03:39.180 is that again,

06:03:40.560 guys can't really be offering like easy dick to women outside their league.

06:03:45.560 And like fall.

06:03:47.060 That's not going to,

06:03:47.920 she's going to be like,

06:03:48.640 no,

06:03:48.800 I'm good.

06:03:49.680 Uh,

06:03:50.080 not.

06:03:50.700 Whereas men will,

06:03:52.920 will dick down,

06:03:55.300 dick down.

06:03:55.860 Not that's like a double entendre.

06:03:58.580 So like,

06:03:59.740 uh,

06:03:59.880 you can step to a guy.

06:04:01.700 I'm telling you,

06:04:02.560 you step to a guy.

06:04:04.780 I don't know.

06:04:05.300 I'm kind of repeating myself.

06:04:06.040 No,

06:04:06.160 I agree.

06:04:07.040 How,

06:04:07.560 how does it hurt your chances as like a single parent in the dating field?

06:04:11.320 Wait,

06:04:11.340 what does that have to do?

06:04:12.380 It's just,

06:04:12.960 I'm,

06:04:13.260 I don't know.

06:04:14.000 Oh,

06:04:14.440 um,

06:04:14.820 different,

06:04:15.400 uh,

06:04:15.680 subject.

06:04:17.180 So,

06:04:17.620 I mean,

06:04:17.980 I think for both men and women,

06:04:20.200 maybe men care about this a bit more.

06:04:22.100 I do think if you're a,

06:04:24.060 uh,

06:04:24.620 you already have kids,

06:04:25.520 right.

06:04:26.220 Whether you're a man or women,

06:04:28.100 although I think men probably fare a little bit better if they're a single father or whatever.

06:04:34.460 I think it's probably most people's preferences,

06:04:37.000 um,

06:04:38.220 to like date somebody who's not,

06:04:40.060 and I'm not using,

06:04:41.780 I'm not trying to reuse this in a rude way.

06:04:43.120 Who's not encumbered with a child.

06:04:46.560 And look,

06:04:47.320 I don't want to frame it as like,

06:04:48.440 it's a bad thing encumbered,

06:04:49.800 but I think like a woman who doesn't have a kid,

06:04:52.580 probably she has a preference towards not dating single fathers.

06:04:57.520 That preference is probably stronger in men,

06:04:59.640 not wanting to date single mothers.

06:05:01.360 But yes,

06:05:02.020 I think if you have a child,

06:05:03.680 I think it does complicate dating for,

06:05:06.280 for both,

06:05:06.920 for both.

06:05:08.520 Um,

06:05:09.460 does that,

06:05:09.940 I don't know that what I just explained though,

06:05:11.440 with the,

06:05:11.880 like,

06:05:12.000 why does the looks thing matter?

06:05:13.400 Does that kind of make any sense or not really?

06:05:17.280 Wait,

06:05:17.620 I just still don't understand why it's harmful for,

06:05:19.800 like people to have confidence and think that they're beautiful.

06:05:22.940 Well,

06:05:23.180 I guess what I was trying to get at with the,

06:05:24.980 like men will sleep down or whatever.

06:05:28.400 Women will have sexual access to men outside their league.

06:05:32.040 And I think what ends up happening is some women will get perpetually,

06:05:35.580 uh,

06:05:36.460 they'll be,

06:05:37.060 they'll like their egos will be inflated incorrectly.

06:05:39.300 It's part of that.

06:05:40.600 And also,

06:05:41.300 so either they,

06:05:42.380 either they think,

06:05:43.600 you know what?

06:05:45.760 I know these guys don't want a relationship,

06:05:47.440 but I really,

06:05:48.800 really enjoy like having sex with like really attractive men.

06:05:52.260 And I know they're fuck boys and whatever.

06:05:54.460 But then I think in the same way that porn brain fucks over men,

06:05:58.060 I think you can have like fucking a guy who's really attractive,

06:06:04.300 but will never give me commitment brain for women.

06:06:08.440 So to the point where like,

06:06:10.720 for example,

06:06:11.380 let's say if we reverse it,

06:06:13.880 let's say I could just like run through chicks that were hotter than me.

06:06:18.520 Don't you think I would feel less incentivized,

06:06:21.260 but none of them will give me a relationship.

06:06:23.400 Yeah.

06:06:23.840 Like none of these girls would ever get,

06:06:25.720 but they're just using me for sex or whatever.

06:06:28.640 Or I think most men would be hard pressed to be like,

06:06:33.260 well,

06:06:33.360 why would I ever like get into a relationship when I just have access to sex

06:06:39.260 with women who are more attractive than the women who are like have an

06:06:43.520 expectation of monogamy.

06:06:46.020 So I know it's not a perfect comparison,

06:06:49.260 but I guess as it relates to the looks thing and being realistic,

06:06:52.260 I think one thing that uniquely impacts women is at least being somewhat

06:06:58.620 realistic with your dating prospects,

06:07:00.360 because just because a guy will dick you down,

06:07:03.900 doesn't mean he'll wife you up.

06:07:05.880 Right.

06:07:06.640 And I think,

06:07:07.720 I think women are more like,

06:07:09.880 I think women operate differently.

06:07:11.540 And frankly,

06:07:12.720 to your guys's credit,

06:07:15.240 your women are more selective.

06:07:17.320 They're more picky.

06:07:18.040 That's not a bad thing.

06:07:19.000 I think that's a good thing.

06:07:20.220 But like,

06:07:20.880 I think for,

06:07:21.600 for a woman to have sex with a guy and this isn't universal,

06:07:25.300 like there's probably some things you could,

06:07:26.960 you,

06:07:27.180 this one girl,

06:07:28.140 she,

06:07:28.360 whatever.

06:07:29.420 I think for a woman to have sex with a guy,

06:07:32.460 the guy has to be at least attractive enough for her to be in a relationship with him.

06:07:38.620 Now his personality might be like,

06:07:40.840 I wouldn't date him based off his personality,

06:07:42.480 but I think on that front,

06:07:45.640 his,

06:07:46.000 he has to,

06:07:46.620 to have sex with a guy,

06:07:48.180 he has to be at least attractive enough that you would be in a relationship with him.

06:07:52.900 Like his looks.

06:07:53.840 Cause you could maybe say that there's like some guys in terms of their physical appearance,

06:07:57.620 like maybe they're really wonderful guys,

06:08:00.080 but you're just not attracted to them.

06:08:02.160 So you wouldn't even like you,

06:08:05.380 you wouldn't be in a relationship with them despite their really good character,

06:08:09.660 but they just,

06:08:11.220 the physical attraction isn't there.

06:08:12.580 Is that fair to say?

06:08:14.020 Yeah.

06:08:14.180 I would say I wouldn't have sex with a guy that I'm not attracted to period.

06:08:17.180 Right.

06:08:17.560 But men will have sex with women that they aren't,

06:08:25.100 attracted to like attracted to because it's like more of like a physical,

06:08:30.100 just like release thing.

06:08:31.400 Yeah,

06:08:31.640 exactly.

06:08:31.960 It's like,

06:08:32.500 yeah,

06:08:32.600 yeah.

06:08:32.880 Spot on.

06:08:33.420 Yeah.

06:08:33.620 Spot on.

06:08:34.560 And so,

06:08:35.020 but that's where some women could get into trouble where it's like,

06:08:38.300 okay,

06:08:39.860 I'm used to this caliber of guy.

06:08:42.580 Is that like potentially like,

06:08:46.040 am I going to be dissatisfied?

06:08:48.540 Like,

06:08:49.020 oh,

06:08:49.320 but here,

06:08:49.980 okay,

06:08:50.280 here's the bucket of men who are willing to commit to me.

06:08:53.660 And it's not overlapping with like the same hotness,

06:08:57.300 the level of hotness.

06:08:58.300 exactly.

06:08:58.860 So like,

06:08:59.180 here's the bucket of men who will commit to me and like their attractiveness,

06:09:03.020 maybe it's a range or whatever,

06:09:04.220 but like their attractiveness kind of levels out at here.

06:09:08.420 But the men who are willing to just like have sex with me,

06:09:11.540 their attractiveness might be in this other bucket.

06:09:15.380 They'll never give you commitment,

06:09:16.700 never give you a relationship,

06:09:17.540 but they'll have sex with you.

06:09:19.580 Those men might,

06:09:20.820 and it might not even just be looks.

06:09:22.300 It could be like,

06:09:23.640 it could be,

06:09:24.260 you could have an experience with a guy with massive amounts of status.

06:09:27.820 So it's like,

06:09:28.460 how do you,

06:09:29.320 how do you go from like,

06:09:31.820 uh,

06:09:32.600 you know,

06:09:33.040 you're,

06:09:33.360 you're a good looking college girl.

06:09:34.620 I don't know if like any,

06:09:35.700 I don't know if you're really out there on social media,

06:09:37.580 but like there's college girls who are like dealing with like,

06:09:41.240 like major athletes,

06:09:43.060 NFL players.

06:09:43.760 I don't know if you have any sorority girls who you've heard stories from or

06:09:46.060 whatever,

06:09:46.300 or just girlfriends who are in sororities.

06:09:48.040 Cause I'm not trying to like talk shit about sorority girls or anything,

06:09:50.980 but like these women will have access.

06:09:53.920 So like,

06:09:54.320 how do you go from like dealing with some NFL NBA player and you're like a

06:10:00.160 sophomore in college,

06:10:01.640 and then you're going to go deal with some dudes who share a bedroom and have

06:10:09.660 a share a bathroom with like three other people.

06:10:14.780 So it's like,

06:10:15.600 I think once you get a taste of a good life,

06:10:18.720 like,

06:10:19.320 I guess the way I would frame it is,

06:10:20.960 um,

06:10:22.820 do you,

06:10:23.140 did you live in the dorms?

06:10:24.380 Yeah,

06:10:24.600 I did.

06:10:24.880 And you like,

06:10:25.600 did you have like a communal bathroom or was there a bathroom in your dorm?

06:10:28.920 It was like over 50 girls sharing like one.

06:10:30.960 50 girls sharing one bathroom.

06:10:32.460 And did you have like three girls in your room?

06:10:35.040 Yeah.

06:10:35.180 You had a triple,

06:10:36.440 right?

06:10:37.020 So it's like,

06:10:37.780 then do you currently have your own bedroom?

06:10:40.500 I'm in like a massive double with like one.

06:10:42.060 Now you're in a double.

06:10:42.940 So it's so much better.

06:10:44.960 Double's a bit better.

06:10:45.620 But then,

06:10:46.280 I mean,

06:10:46.600 maybe growing up you had your own bedroom.

06:10:48.740 Yeah.

06:10:49.220 That's superior to like having a double or triple,

06:10:52.000 right?

06:10:52.540 Yeah.

06:10:53.200 And have,

06:10:53.620 did you have your own bathroom growing up?

06:10:55.440 Uh,

06:10:55.660 no.

06:10:56.080 Okay.

06:10:56.320 But like,

06:10:57.360 so in terms of like in the future,

06:10:59.860 you're probably going to be successful.

06:11:01.680 You're going to have like your snazzy apartment and maybe you'll have like

06:11:06.520 housemates maybe,

06:11:07.760 or you have your own like really nice one bedroom and you can like,

06:11:11.680 you know,

06:11:12.640 play music and walk around naked or I don't know,

06:11:15.340 do whatever you want to do.

06:11:16.380 And you have your own bathroom and you know,

06:11:18.580 your refrigerator can be exactly how you want it.

06:11:20.760 Once you have that experience,

06:11:23.040 I feel like it's hard to go back to the dorms to like,

06:11:26.240 once you've lived off,

06:11:27.680 yeah.

06:11:27.900 To go back to living in like a dorm room and you're sharing a bathroom and

06:11:32.400 you live with other people in that same vein.

06:11:34.820 I think there is a component where you get a taste of the good life,

06:11:38.540 but you get a taste of like a caliber of man.

06:11:44.120 And it's like the,

06:11:45.260 but that's not the guy who's going to give you commitment.

06:11:47.080 So that's why I think that I guess,

06:11:50.960 I don't know if that makes any sense or what.

06:11:52.180 Yeah,

06:11:52.260 no,

06:11:52.360 that makes sense.

06:11:52.940 I,

06:11:53.160 I like,

06:11:54.720 I don't know.

06:11:55.200 I feel like I could,

06:11:56.800 I don't even know what to say to that.

06:11:58.360 I agree with that.

06:11:59.060 I see the logic.

06:12:00.440 That was actually a really good point that you made.

06:12:03.820 Oh,

06:12:04.160 thank you.

06:12:04.440 I'm kind of impressed.

06:12:06.380 I'm like,

06:12:07.020 kind of like shocked,

06:12:08.900 I guess.

06:12:09.580 Like,

06:12:09.740 does it,

06:12:10.140 does it,

06:12:11.200 um,

06:12:12.320 I didn't mean to interrupt you there,

06:12:13.360 but does it like map onto experiences that either you're in?

06:12:17.080 Or female friends have had,

06:12:18.380 or that you've had.

06:12:20.000 I think for sure,

06:12:21.460 like I've definitely heard that,

06:12:23.240 but I think,

06:12:23.780 okay,

06:12:24.000 what I want to say though,

06:12:25.120 on one point that you made,

06:12:26.840 I think it is not as clear.

06:12:30.220 A lot of times these guys,

06:12:31.880 what they will do to get to their end goal,

06:12:35.200 which is sex is a lot,

06:12:37.960 a lot of these guys know,

06:12:40.120 even like the,

06:12:41.160 the successful as they know that no women,

06:12:43.280 woman,

06:12:43.800 that women in general just aren't going to go sleep with them.

06:12:46.160 And so they give them a taste,

06:12:48.800 I guess you could call it of what it would be like to be in a relationship with them.

06:12:54.240 And that is where that disparity comes in,

06:12:56.680 where some women believe,

06:12:58.300 okay,

06:12:58.500 no,

06:12:58.840 I can,

06:12:59.660 you know,

06:13:00.440 like bag this NFL player,

06:13:02.180 or I can bag this successful guy because this one guy wanted a relationship with me.

06:13:07.860 It just didn't work out.

06:13:08.600 Right.

06:13:08.820 So that is that nuance.

06:13:10.860 It's these men aren't going into it with,

06:13:14.400 Oh,

06:13:14.500 I just want to sleep with you.

06:13:16.260 They're trying,

06:13:16.780 they're going to take you out.

06:13:17.820 They're going to give you a taste,

06:13:19.180 sleep with you.

06:13:20.020 And then whatever.

06:13:21.860 Yeah.

06:13:22.340 So,

06:13:22.580 I mean,

06:13:22.940 uh,

06:13:23.400 I actually completely agree with you.

06:13:26.060 It,

06:13:26.560 it is a strategy of men.

06:13:28.800 Uh,

06:13:29.280 and I,

06:13:29.620 I don't agree with it,

06:13:30.580 but it is a strategy of men to,

06:13:33.460 in an,

06:13:33.740 in an effort to get the pussy and an effort to get laid,

06:13:37.280 because maybe the girl's like,

06:13:39.020 look,

06:13:39.340 I don't,

06:13:40.000 I'm not interested in casual sex.

06:13:41.300 I just,

06:13:41.600 yeah.

06:13:42.100 And so the guy in furtherance of trying to get laid is going to lie or misrepresent his long-term intentions.

06:13:49.740 Yep.

06:13:50.180 So yeah,

06:13:50.900 the guy's like,

06:13:52.160 and I think that that's wrong.

06:13:53.720 Whoa.

06:13:54.120 I think it's completely wrong.

06:13:55.500 Wait,

06:13:55.700 we're agreeing.

06:13:57.100 Yeah.

06:13:57.400 There you go.

06:13:58.100 We have an agreement.

06:13:59.020 But I,

06:13:59.700 I,

06:14:00.020 I do think,

06:14:01.420 um,

06:14:03.320 like it's not a crime,

06:14:04.520 but it's,

06:14:05.260 it's definitely wrong.

06:14:06.660 To misrepresent your like long-term intentions to a woman,

06:14:10.160 um,

06:14:11.820 in an effort to get pussy and an effort to get,

06:14:14.120 to get sex because it's,

06:14:16.560 uh,

06:14:16.960 it's a bit misleading.

06:14:18.760 Now,

06:14:19.380 however,

06:14:20.020 I do think a bit more nuance here.

06:14:23.040 I do think sometimes it's also fair,

06:14:25.940 like just because a guy has,

06:14:28.540 has,

06:14:28.840 has had sex with you.

06:14:30.960 I don't think,

06:14:32.680 and this goes in both directions.

06:14:34.840 I don't think just because you had sex that that guarantees continuity.

06:14:40.500 Yeah.

06:14:40.900 Like for example,

06:14:41.920 um,

06:14:42.460 let's say the guy does have long-term intentions,

06:14:46.000 but I don't know after,

06:14:49.040 I'm not,

06:14:50.520 when I say after sex,

06:14:51.400 it could be like days,

06:14:52.440 weeks later,

06:14:52.920 like you just end up being a horrible person.

06:14:56.060 Yeah.

06:14:56.880 Then it's like,

06:14:57.760 but some women will be like,

06:14:59.120 Oh my God,

06:14:59.820 God,

06:15:01.040 he's such a jerk.

06:15:02.120 He lied to me and he dumped me after like a couple of days or a week.

06:15:06.240 And it's like guys,

06:15:07.780 just to be clear,

06:15:08.220 guys absolutely lie about their intentions.

06:15:10.180 And they like going in,

06:15:11.460 they had no intention of like,

06:15:12.960 they were just going to like sleep with you once or a few times and then like,

06:15:16.500 yeah,

06:15:16.920 discard you.

06:15:18.160 But I do think there are sometimes instances where the guy did have good intentions.

06:15:22.920 You guys did hook up once,

06:15:24.720 twice,

06:15:24.980 three times.

06:15:26.000 And then like,

06:15:27.460 and maybe it's not a fit for the girl.

06:15:29.480 Like the girl.

06:15:30.200 Yeah,

06:15:30.480 no,

06:15:30.800 I think,

06:15:31.520 yeah.

06:15:31.720 She's like,

06:15:32.120 ah,

06:15:32.320 it's not the right fit.

06:15:33.240 You know?

06:15:34.020 Yeah,

06:15:34.280 no,

06:15:34.500 that,

06:15:34.740 that makes complete sense.

06:15:35.940 I'm just saying like when we're having the conversation of,

06:15:39.640 Oh,

06:15:39.780 so these women are thinking that they can,

06:15:43.380 you know,

06:15:44.240 like bag a certain type of guy.

06:15:46.260 Yeah.

06:15:46.660 It's because the guys are letting them think that,

06:15:50.020 or I guess that's the intention.

06:15:52.760 Yeah.

06:15:53.200 I think,

06:15:53.520 well,

06:15:53.620 I do think there are guys who lie or misrepresent about their long-term.

06:15:57.880 And so if,

06:15:58.560 if,

06:15:58.860 if you're dating these guys who are giving you that,

06:16:01.040 and then they're like,

06:16:02.260 Oh,

06:16:02.880 you know,

06:16:03.320 I guess it didn't work out.

06:16:04.340 I guess,

06:16:05.760 whatever.

06:16:06.340 It makes sense.

06:16:07.700 Why?

06:16:09.100 A lot of women would feel that way.

06:16:11.840 I guess my,

06:16:13.480 my thinking is,

06:16:14.640 is that because women,

06:16:16.640 women do have access to like these more attractive men that they,

06:16:23.320 then they overlook guys who are like,

06:16:26.900 actually,

06:16:28.740 yeah,

06:16:29.140 would be genuinely interested in long-term relationships and treat them well and

06:16:33.380 not be fuck boys and not be jerks or whatever.

06:16:35.740 Um,

06:16:36.220 yeah,

06:16:37.420 true.

06:16:37.940 And,

06:16:38.260 and I,

06:16:39.560 but I also think there's a component of when they,

06:16:43.080 the women do,

06:16:44.380 some women will be like,

06:16:45.780 we'll get into relationship with guys who are on their level.

06:16:48.920 But I think there will be this.

06:16:50.960 Sometimes there will be this like pining for that guy.

06:16:58.000 Like,

06:16:58.500 that's the guy I really wanted.

06:17:01.840 I had,

06:17:02.660 and the sex,

06:17:03.400 like the sex was better.

06:17:06.820 And like,

06:17:08.140 cause look,

06:17:08.680 I mean,

06:17:08.900 if you're really fucking crushing on a guy,

06:17:10.700 just like if he's really attractive,

06:17:12.520 like that's going to have an impact on like your arousal and your sexual attraction to a guy.

06:17:18.880 I think it's not strictly looks.

06:17:20.800 I think there's other components too,

06:17:22.180 but I think that that can,

06:17:24.780 in the same way that men are porn brained and they're looking at all these hot chicks with giant tits and fucking porno,

06:17:31.360 whatever,

06:17:31.660 all this shit.

06:17:32.280 And that's going to warp like,

06:17:34.640 okay,

06:17:34.980 I'm here with like average Mary or,

06:17:37.300 you know,

06:17:37.420 whatever it is.

06:17:38.140 I'm average.

06:17:38.540 I'm an average guy.

06:17:39.360 I'm dating average Mary Sue.

06:17:42.240 And they're have access to like,

06:17:45.440 like fucking insane 10 out of 10 bad.

06:17:48.880 Porn girls or whatever,

06:17:50.460 how that could have an impact on like the sex.

06:17:54.840 I think it can have that same impact can also go impact women too.

06:18:02.000 Like you,

06:18:02.720 in some ways it could be worse because like porn is like,

06:18:06.600 there's a separation,

06:18:07.660 but when you've had like a taste,

06:18:09.800 it's like you can reach out and touch it.

06:18:12.280 Not like physical.

06:18:13.980 I'm using that like metaphorically.

06:18:15.720 I mean,

06:18:16.240 like it's the,

06:18:16.940 it's within your grasp.

06:18:18.880 So it's like,

06:18:19.600 there's,

06:18:20.220 there's a stronger,

06:18:21.800 uh,

06:18:22.920 there's a stronger like achievability,

06:18:26.020 like maybe just the next guy,

06:18:28.480 the next guy.

06:18:29.120 I,

06:18:29.440 whereas like,

06:18:30.040 I bet a bunch of dudes who are like jerking it to like fucking hotties in porn or whatever.

06:18:34.960 Like that has negative impacts on relationships,

06:18:37.620 but I don't think those guys genuinely believe like some dude in fucking Idaho is like jerking it to,

06:18:43.520 I don't know.

06:18:43.700 Who's a hot porn chick?

06:18:44.960 Essie.

06:18:45.640 They're jerking it to Essie.

06:18:46.880 I don't know.

06:18:47.120 You should have just said her as a hot porn girl.

06:18:50.940 And they're like,

06:18:51.600 bro,

06:18:51.700 they're not like,

06:18:52.740 I think most of them realize like,

06:18:54.340 I don't ever have a chance with,

06:18:56.660 with Essie or like,

06:18:57.840 you know,

06:18:58.280 one of these.

06:18:58.660 Oh man,

06:18:58.960 who was that beautiful girl that you had here last week?

06:19:02.000 Red hair.

06:19:03.200 Amaranth.

06:19:04.180 Yeah,

06:19:04.560 I think so.

06:19:05.000 Yeah.

06:19:05.280 Yeah.

06:19:05.460 She's gorgeous.

06:19:06.160 Gorgeous.

06:19:07.760 She's,

06:19:08.280 she's cool.

06:19:09.240 I do think that,

06:19:10.220 you know,

06:19:10.520 women and men look at beauty differently just because like we're kind of raised to think that like all women are beautiful and men kind of have more realistic standards on that.

06:19:19.740 Sure.

06:19:21.020 Here,

06:19:21.520 I'm going to blast through this a little bit.

06:19:24.360 I want to get into some of the pre-show notes that some of you sent me.

06:19:26.820 I'm going to try to move through them quickly.

06:19:29.620 Going to you,

06:19:31.560 Celine.

06:19:32.520 Hold on.

06:19:32.960 Let me pull this up.

06:19:34.980 Celine.

06:19:35.840 Celine.

06:19:39.080 Give me one sec here while I get the notes pulled up.

06:19:42.480 Ill-fated.

06:19:43.420 Okay.

06:19:43.840 Yeah.

06:19:48.340 Super minor.

06:19:49.140 I'm just curious.

06:19:49.740 So you're,

06:19:50.120 you're Blasian.

06:19:51.860 Yes.

06:19:52.340 Is your dad black?

06:19:53.500 Yes.

06:19:53.920 Okay.

06:19:54.120 Is he like full?

06:19:55.680 Yes.

06:19:56.300 So he's,

06:19:56.740 he's full.

06:19:57.260 And your mom's,

06:19:57.940 he immigrated from Haiti.

06:19:59.400 Your mom,

06:20:00.140 is she like Chinese,

06:20:01.100 Vietnamese,

06:20:01.960 Filipina?

06:20:02.640 Chinese.

06:20:03.200 And then like a weird mix of different Pacific Islanders.

06:20:08.620 Okay.

06:20:09.060 Gotcha.

06:20:09.980 You said you've been in therapy for a long time and you feel like you're a pretty stable

06:20:12.780 person with relatively simple desires and goals in a relationship.

06:20:16.700 How long have you been in therapy?

06:20:17.900 Um,

06:20:19.220 I've honestly been going like throughout different periods of my life.

06:20:23.720 How young were you when you first?

06:20:25.820 When I was first,

06:20:26.460 I was about like 12.

06:20:28.940 Okay.

06:20:29.380 And was it like for anxiety,

06:20:30.820 depression?

06:20:31.900 Um,

06:20:32.320 I always had like a,

06:20:33.580 a bit of a hard time in school.

06:20:35.780 So it stemmed from that.

06:20:37.740 Gotcha.

06:20:38.400 Um,

06:20:38.800 okay.

06:20:39.640 Uh,

06:20:39.960 in terms of your disagreements,

06:20:41.460 you disagree with most of what is said on the podcast.

06:20:44.380 Although you've seen,

06:20:45.340 you haven't seemed super competitive.

06:20:46.980 I was being a little facetious.

06:20:48.880 Oh,

06:20:49.200 okay.

06:20:49.760 Um,

06:20:50.040 well you said that like other participants or me,

06:20:52.780 myself,

06:20:53.560 I,

06:20:53.880 I guess twist words,

06:20:56.320 black and white statements.

06:20:57.720 We try to rage bait or whatever.

06:20:59.240 I will say,

06:20:59.880 I honestly haven't gotten that from you at all today.

06:21:02.020 I've seen it before.

06:21:04.000 Okay.

06:21:05.000 Well,

06:21:05.440 I think you were,

06:21:06.080 uh,

06:21:06.360 somebody was saying earlier,

06:21:07.420 sometimes you play devil's advocate.

06:21:09.460 Yes.

06:21:10.080 But I do understand that a part of it is you're the host.

06:21:13.300 It's kind of your job.

06:21:14.480 Although I would say most like sometimes I'll be a,

06:21:18.260 like a bit hyperbolic or whatever,

06:21:19.700 but like almost everything I say,

06:21:21.780 I believe in,

06:21:22.720 like,

06:21:23.200 I'm not just like taking the contrarian position,

06:21:26.980 like almost everything I say,

06:21:29.560 I believe in.

06:21:30.640 So,

06:21:30.860 um,

06:21:31.780 uh,

06:21:32.280 we already talked,

06:21:33.380 we played your video where you talked about the dumb bitches,

06:21:36.060 bimbos.

06:21:36.780 I don't like,

06:21:37.620 by the way,

06:21:37.960 I don't like that characterization.

06:21:40.580 You know,

06:21:40.760 it was a little over the top,

06:21:42.980 you know,

06:21:43.420 extremist.

06:21:44.300 Um,

06:21:44.580 I definitely don't think that every single woman on this podcast has

06:21:47.820 been like,

06:21:48.400 Oh,

06:21:48.600 stupid.

06:21:49.300 Bimbo.

06:21:49.900 Uh,

06:21:50.260 you said also,

06:21:51.460 I mean,

06:21:52.520 you said you never subject one of your friends.

06:21:55.660 Oh,

06:21:55.900 never,

06:21:56.460 never,

06:21:57.540 never.

06:21:57.940 What about tonight though?

06:21:58.740 If they were on tonight,

06:21:59.360 it would have been that bad.

06:22:00.420 I think tonight would have been manageable.

06:22:02.620 Yeah.

06:22:03.180 But my friends are a little bit more sensitive.

06:22:05.960 Hmm.

06:22:06.880 Aren't you in a,

06:22:07.660 are you in a band?

06:22:08.760 Oh no,

06:22:09.280 sorry.

06:22:09.420 I'm thinking about somebody else.

06:22:10.940 I wish.

06:22:11.960 Um,

06:22:12.340 okay.

06:22:12.700 Like could be.

06:22:13.700 Sign me.

06:22:14.120 Uh,

06:22:14.840 let's see.

06:22:15.540 Morena.

06:22:16.640 Did I say your name right?

06:22:17.640 Morena.

06:22:18.360 Morena.

06:22:20.500 Come on,

06:22:22.160 French boy.

06:22:23.420 Brian can't use his tongue like that.

06:22:25.240 Wow.

06:22:25.900 Oh,

06:22:26.020 geez.

06:22:27.260 Well,

06:22:27.500 he doesn't eat pussy.

06:22:28.180 He said it like 7,000 times.

06:22:29.700 Oh no.

06:22:30.180 But be a lamb.

06:22:31.460 Isn't that so true?

06:22:32.560 What if it was a massive labia?

06:22:33.760 Oh,

06:22:34.240 is she,

06:22:38.620 so there's other considerations there?

06:22:41.960 Wait,

06:22:41.980 no,

06:22:42.160 okay.

06:22:42.440 It was,

06:22:42.840 I don't,

06:22:43.440 but okay.

06:22:43.960 Like she's clean,

06:22:44.880 right?

06:22:45.840 Obviously.

06:22:46.580 And she's loyal and she's not like cheating or some shit.

06:22:48.720 Yeah.

06:22:49.040 In the hypothetical.

06:22:49.940 Yeah.

06:22:51.980 I want to add she's a billionaire.

06:22:53.600 Is she the perfect?

06:22:54.160 Yeah.

06:22:54.300 Is she a billionaire?

06:22:55.240 Okay.

06:22:55.600 If she's a billionaire and she's like clean or whatever,

06:22:58.480 I do that trade.

06:22:59.780 I take the trade.

06:23:01.380 Wait,

06:23:01.620 this is progress.

06:23:03.020 Look,

06:23:03.660 I,

06:23:04.180 I take the trade.

06:23:06.460 I love that.

06:23:07.060 I will take the trade if she's a billionaire.

06:23:11.660 I'll eat pussy.

06:23:12.600 What about if she's a millionaire?

06:23:15.400 I don't know.

06:23:16.300 Not enough.

06:23:17.260 Millionaire doesn't really have the same weight.

06:23:18.900 Okay.

06:23:19.040 What were you saying before?

06:23:20.020 Oh yeah.

06:23:21.340 Um,

06:23:21.460 uh,

06:23:21.920 yeah.

06:23:22.940 What was I saying?

06:23:23.860 I don't know.

06:23:24.220 Oh,

06:23:24.360 if it's the most giant,

06:23:25.460 if it's like the,

06:23:26.600 no,

06:23:26.840 no,

06:23:26.940 before that,

06:23:27.500 before that,

06:23:27.840 in order for me to meet and date the woman with the most giant labia in the world,

06:23:34.860 I'd think about it.

06:23:35.820 I might,

06:23:37.180 I might have to do oral,

06:23:39.180 I guess.

06:23:39.640 Um,

06:23:39.920 wait,

06:23:40.120 what was the thing?

06:23:40.860 Oh,

06:23:41.120 Marina.

06:23:41.720 She was doing like the tongue thing.

06:23:44.100 And I see that.

06:23:45.120 Yeah.

06:23:45.520 Um,

06:23:47.400 do you want me to like try to wait?

06:23:50.180 Hold on.

06:23:50.480 Yeah.

06:23:51.440 Try it.

06:23:52.200 Like,

06:23:52.480 can I,

06:23:53.000 I don't know if it's like racially insensitive,

06:23:56.000 but we're rolling the tongue.

06:23:57.500 It happens in multiple different languages.

06:23:58.840 Oh no,

06:23:59.160 I was just going to be like a Vato.

06:24:00.440 Oh my gosh.

06:24:01.620 You really did it earlier.

06:24:03.420 You did it earlier.

06:24:04.320 Didn't stop it before.

06:24:05.400 Hey,

06:24:05.420 orale.

06:24:06.440 Orale,

06:24:06.880 orale.

06:24:07.080 Orale.

06:24:07.480 Orale.

06:24:09.040 Hey,

06:24:09.700 say,

06:24:10.320 hey,

06:24:10.960 why are you talking shit about my girl?

06:24:13.100 Why are you talking shit?

06:24:13.760 She ain't shit,

06:24:14.040 fool.

06:24:14.540 She ain't shit.

06:24:15.240 No.

06:24:15.620 Hey,

06:24:15.840 Selena,

06:24:16.180 every time she,

06:24:16.880 every time you get up,

06:24:17.780 she's been talking shit.

06:24:18.880 Don't include me and you're like weird.

06:24:21.000 Okay.

06:24:21.640 All right.

06:24:22.060 She's not.

06:24:22.780 Selena.

06:24:23.380 We love her.

06:24:23.980 Selena is not abused.

06:24:25.240 Anything for Selena.

06:24:26.280 Selena is not abused.

06:24:27.240 Um,

06:24:28.040 okay.

06:24:28.320 Uh,

06:24:28.860 let's see in your notes here.

06:24:30.220 I think we,

06:24:31.180 uh,

06:24:32.280 I think we already talked about it.

06:24:33.900 Um,

06:24:34.620 okay.

06:24:34.980 Blue Jay.

06:24:36.220 Uh,

06:24:36.620 that's me.

06:24:37.340 Hi,

06:24:37.540 that's you.

06:24:38.260 Uh,

06:24:38.720 let's see.

06:24:39.840 What about the ice cream thing?

06:24:41.540 Ice cream.

06:24:44.360 Oh,

06:24:44.800 something about the zipper.

06:24:47.160 Oh,

06:24:47.620 my husband.

06:24:48.600 Oh,

06:24:49.500 no,

06:24:51.040 no.

06:24:52.320 Oh,

06:24:52.760 you don't want to tell the story?

06:24:53.520 I can tell the story.

06:24:54.340 It's fine.

06:24:54.680 How about I give a quick recap and you tell me if it,

06:24:57.800 it's,

06:24:58.320 it's good enough.

06:24:59.140 Sure.

06:24:59.460 It's okay.

06:25:00.240 So she's her,

06:25:00.900 tell it.

06:25:01.420 It's her story.

06:25:02.440 Don't speak for a woman.

06:25:03.620 It was my first date with my husband.

06:25:05.240 I feel like,

06:25:05.760 you know,

06:25:05.900 just,

06:25:06.460 I want to,

06:25:06.980 I'm just curious.

06:25:07.820 I just want to move things quick.

06:25:09.400 No,

06:25:09.600 I just like want to hear it from the original experience.

06:25:11.980 I can tell it really quick.

06:25:13.000 Okay.

06:25:13.360 Tell it really quick.

06:25:13.920 Go ahead.

06:25:14.080 Yeah.

06:25:14.280 So we had our first date,

06:25:15.740 um,

06:25:15.960 when my family was away and I invited him over and we watched a couple of movies together.

06:25:19.380 And then when he went upstairs to meet my guinea pigs,

06:25:21.040 cause that's what he commented on on my,

06:25:22.960 um,

06:25:23.260 my dating profile,

06:25:24.280 he went to the bathroom and his zipper broke and he had like prided himself on telling

06:25:29.280 me that he wouldn't try to like do anything on the first date.

06:25:32.400 And then he came out and he's like,

06:25:33.660 I'm so sorry.

06:25:35.300 He's like,

06:25:35.800 my zipper broke and I'm not trying anything.

06:25:38.120 So it ended up with me trying to fix his zipper on my bed while he sat there in his

06:25:41.980 boxers.

06:25:43.580 And it's the funniest first story because he texted,

06:25:46.640 um,

06:25:46.920 my brother and my sister-in-law and he was like,

06:25:49.440 um,

06:25:50.260 my zipper broke and I'm in my boxers on the bed.

06:25:52.440 I don't know what to do.

06:25:53.940 You know what?

06:25:54.520 I think,

06:25:54.900 I think he was trying something.

06:25:55.980 Oh,

06:25:56.380 you're married now.

06:25:56.980 He really did it.

06:25:57.800 You're married now.

06:25:58.680 So he was trying something.

06:26:00.740 And,

06:26:01.220 uh,

06:26:01.480 let's see here.

06:26:02.760 Uh,

06:26:04.360 okay.

06:26:04.680 You have like a weird stalker guy.

06:26:06.520 We were not going to get into that,

06:26:08.000 but the guy you met like before your husband,

06:26:09.940 super weird.

06:26:11.420 Um,

06:26:11.880 let's see.

06:26:13.200 Oh,

06:26:13.400 why do you guys always stereotype women with blue hair and piercings?

06:26:16.720 Yeah.

06:26:17.140 Why do you guys always stereotype?

06:26:17.800 I think I normally I go to like green hair or whatever.

06:26:20.560 Well,

06:26:20.680 I think it's like,

06:26:21.340 it quacks the green,

06:26:22.380 it quacks like a duck.

06:26:23.400 It walks like a duck.

06:26:24.440 It acts like a duck.

06:26:25.980 I don't know.

06:26:26.580 I think there is like,

06:26:28.540 I would,

06:26:28.840 I would say that probably like liberal leftist women are more likely to color,

06:26:36.000 like color their hair than like more conservative women.

06:26:39.080 I was liberal before.

06:26:40.500 But like,

06:26:40.980 could you,

06:26:41.500 but could you be like a conservative women and be like,

06:26:44.620 have a,

06:26:45.480 you know,

06:26:45.800 a more like alt aesthetic or whatever?

06:26:48.480 Absolutely.

06:26:49.480 Um,

06:26:49.840 I don't think it's like,

06:26:50.680 if you have blue hair,

06:26:52.020 you're a hundred percent.

06:26:52.780 I just think it's more common among like people who are more liberal leftist.

06:26:58.020 I actually,

06:26:58.920 by the way,

06:26:59.720 I don't know.

06:27:00.240 I'm like when I'm a bit of a,

06:27:03.920 what's the term that you all use?

06:27:05.480 Unc.

06:27:06.060 Am I an unc?

06:27:06.860 You're a chopped unc is what the kids say.

06:27:09.080 Chopped unc?

06:27:09.760 What the fuck,

06:27:10.700 Essie?

06:27:11.180 How old are you?

06:27:11.820 I'm not saying you're chopped.

06:27:12.680 I'm saying kids say chopped unc.

06:27:14.200 Oh,

06:27:14.360 like if you're older or whatever.

06:27:15.540 I don't know.

06:27:16.740 Like back in my day,

06:27:17.940 like if I saw a girl with like a,

06:27:19.860 like red hair,

06:27:20.700 purple hair,

06:27:21.520 blue hair,

06:27:21.900 whatever,

06:27:22.120 I didn't think like anything about her politics.

06:27:24.620 I was just like,

06:27:25.400 Oh,

06:27:25.500 she's just alt.

06:27:27.060 Like,

06:27:27.440 I just thought she was like emo or something.

06:27:29.160 There's like the septum ring theory now.

06:27:31.120 Oh,

06:27:31.480 that's a thing.

06:27:32.040 Yeah.

06:27:32.680 I actually kind of aesthetically like,

06:27:35.620 I feel like the colored hair has kind of been tainted by like the political,

06:27:40.660 like that,

06:27:44.880 like,

06:27:46.300 but I actually think aesthetically,

06:27:47.940 I kind of like like the colored hair.

06:27:51.500 Like,

06:27:51.960 I think it kind of looks cool,

06:27:53.140 but it's almost like 95% of the time.

06:27:56.400 Like she's probably going to disagree with me on everything.

06:27:59.280 So,

06:27:59.560 um,

06:28:00.380 let's see here.

06:28:01.200 Um,

06:28:01.940 you said also that women have such high expectations for being the bum bottom of the barrel.

06:28:07.340 Yes.

06:28:08.160 Damn.

06:28:09.060 Women expect the world,

06:28:10.420 but won't give the world to their man.

06:28:12.360 Do you want to elaborate?

06:28:14.900 Not like huge.

06:28:16.220 I mean,

06:28:16.640 it's quite true.

06:28:18.220 The most of the women that you have on here,

06:28:19.480 they want,

06:28:20.160 they expect so,

06:28:21.660 so much of men,

06:28:22.600 but then as soon as it's like tables are turned,

06:28:26.180 they,

06:28:27.240 they don't,

06:28:28.280 they don't want to abide by anything.

06:28:30.820 You say that like women expect a bunch from men.

06:28:33.760 It's super crazy.

06:28:34.940 Um,

06:28:35.660 like six figures,

06:28:36.880 handsome,

06:28:37.540 tall,

06:28:37.940 et cetera,

06:28:38.260 et cetera.

06:28:38.580 Um,

06:28:40.980 okay.

06:28:43.340 What do you provide for your man?

06:28:45.680 Well,

06:28:46.100 I mean,

06:28:46.440 I,

06:28:46.700 I was working,

06:28:47.640 but then I had my son.

06:28:48.620 So we're planning on me staying home now.

06:28:50.560 And I actually agree with all of like the traditional values.

06:28:54.120 I love doing all of that stuff.

06:28:55.520 You cook and clean and all of that.

06:28:56.680 I love doing it.

06:28:57.460 Except for when my child is screaming.

06:29:00.260 Do,

06:29:00.760 do we have the,

06:29:01.980 is,

06:29:02.700 do we have the like age?

06:29:04.420 Okay,

06:29:04.800 guys,

06:29:05.040 we,

06:29:05.220 we have a fun segment now.

06:29:06.640 Uh,

06:29:07.280 we've put all of you through AI.

06:29:09.160 We've put all of you through AI.

06:29:11.040 No,

06:29:11.860 just kidding.

06:29:12.220 Oh,

06:29:12.520 well,

06:29:12.760 really quick.

06:29:13.220 I have to ask super quick question.

06:29:14.480 If you can give me quick answers.

06:29:16.200 Uh,

06:29:16.600 do you think you'll be better looking,

06:29:19.020 uh,

06:29:19.900 as you age?

06:29:20.700 And I'm going to use 10 year marker.

06:29:22.460 So you're 21.

06:29:23.300 Will you be better looking at 31?

06:29:25.760 Yes.

06:29:26.420 And then let's go 20,

06:29:27.740 41.

06:29:29.260 Yes.

06:29:30.180 As compared to now at 21.

06:29:34.140 Perhaps,

06:29:34.740 but I,

06:29:34.980 I feel like as you age,

06:29:37.980 you do get look better,

06:29:39.400 both men and women.

06:29:40.860 Like you age into yourself.

06:29:43.640 Okay.

06:29:44.300 Um,

06:29:44.860 51.

06:29:46.020 No,

06:29:46.600 okay.

06:29:47.240 Uh,

06:29:47.600 better looking in 10 years time.

06:29:49.520 Yes.

06:29:50.620 You know what?

06:29:51.160 She is kind of like the,

06:29:52.760 she,

06:29:53.140 she has Asian and black.

06:29:55.320 The two best.

06:29:56.160 Like black don't crack.

06:29:58.200 I'm honestly going to,

06:29:59.260 yeah,

06:29:59.540 agree.

06:30:00.000 I feel like that's a good,

06:30:00.900 there is a limit though.

06:30:02.220 That's a good combo.

06:30:03.140 There is a limit though.

06:30:04.100 You know,

06:30:04.400 I feel like it's a good combo.

06:30:06.040 Um,

06:30:06.680 unfortunately for us white people.

06:30:08.840 Why'd you look directly at me?

06:30:10.360 I'm so scared.

06:30:11.420 I feel like we,

06:30:12.540 we don't have a lot of luck in the,

06:30:14.560 you know what I mean?

06:30:15.080 Uh,

06:30:16.440 okay.

06:30:16.700 Anyways,

06:30:17.040 um,

06:30:19.360 but,

06:30:19.620 uh,

06:30:20.100 you're 19 better looking in 10 years time.

06:30:22.080 You think?

06:30:22.560 Yeah,

06:30:22.680 I think so.

06:30:23.440 Uh,

06:30:23.680 20 years time,

06:30:24.380 39.

06:30:24.920 Probably not.

06:30:25.480 Okay.

06:30:25.680 Uh,

06:30:26.160 27 better looking at 37.

06:30:27.980 Yeah.

06:30:28.160 I think I like 15 too.

06:30:30.240 Oh my,

06:30:30.880 this girl,

06:30:31.480 50.

06:30:32.260 That's your peak.

06:30:33.000 Okay.

06:30:33.460 Uh,

06:30:33.720 and then are you better looking now at 27 than you were at 18,

06:30:37.840 19?

06:30:38.860 I look the same,

06:30:40.080 same.

06:30:40.480 Okay.

06:30:41.060 Uh,

06:30:41.380 SC you're 26,

06:30:42.540 right?

06:30:42.740 Uh,

06:30:43.380 better looking in 10 years time,

06:30:44.620 uh,

06:30:44.980 36.

06:30:46.040 Naturally aging.

06:30:46.880 Probably not.

06:30:47.640 Yeah.

06:30:47.780 Just naturally aging.

06:30:48.520 Um,

06:30:49.480 and then are,

06:30:50.040 do you think you're better looking now or better looking like 18,

06:30:52.520 19?

06:30:53.080 I think I'm better looking now.

06:30:54.520 I've had a lot of cosmetic stuff.

06:30:56.560 Okay.

06:30:57.680 Uh,

06:30:58.560 didn't you,

06:30:59.000 I think you posted something on your Instagram.

06:31:00.740 I saw the transformation.

06:31:02.200 It's.

06:31:04.120 It's,

06:31:04.620 it was a transformation.

06:31:05.820 Which one?

06:31:06.340 I posted one that was a fake.

06:31:07.780 That was a joke.

06:31:08.620 Oh,

06:31:08.820 I posted a real one.

06:31:09.980 Uh,

06:31:10.420 31 better looking at 41.

06:31:13.480 No,

06:31:13.920 I will not look this good at 41.

06:31:15.840 Okay.

06:31:16.100 And then were you better looking at 21?

06:31:18.500 Versus now?

06:31:20.100 Marginally,

06:31:20.620 probably.

06:31:21.220 Uh,

06:31:21.620 22 better looking in 10 years time,

06:31:23.200 32.

06:31:23.980 Yeah.

06:31:24.780 42.

06:31:25.380 No.

06:31:26.340 24,

06:31:27.000 uh,

06:31:27.440 34.

06:31:28.080 No.

06:31:28.980 Okay.

06:31:29.340 We have put all of you through AI and we've aged all of you.

06:31:33.020 So this is what the future holds.

06:31:34.220 I put myself through too.

06:31:35.620 So all right.

06:31:36.940 Uh,

06:31:37.420 ready to go?

06:31:38.800 All right.

06:31:40.000 Boom.

06:31:41.120 Wow.

06:31:42.300 Oh my God.

06:31:43.220 That is not accurate.

06:31:45.000 Wait,

06:31:45.280 go back.

06:31:46.160 Wait,

06:31:46.480 like,

06:31:48.040 sorry.

06:31:49.140 I,

06:31:50.080 first of all,

06:31:50.600 I'm not white.

06:31:51.580 I'm not going to age like that.

06:31:52.940 The first picture is really cute.

06:31:54.780 The last one's crazy.

06:31:55.980 Okay.

06:31:56.200 I mean,

06:31:56.320 your skin didn't really get any darker or lighter.

06:31:58.280 It got more red.

06:31:59.920 That's how white people age.

06:32:01.560 That's more like,

06:32:02.940 the last one's more like 80,

06:32:04.340 90.

06:32:04.700 Thank you.

06:32:05.140 Yeah.

06:32:05.600 Yeah.

06:32:06.000 Yeah.

06:32:06.320 Yeah.

06:32:07.000 Yeah.

06:32:08.040 Next.

06:32:08.760 Wow.

06:32:10.940 What a start.

06:32:11.940 Ready?

06:32:12.120 I don't think mine's going to be accurate.

06:32:14.520 Oh.

06:32:15.460 Okay.

06:32:15.860 You know what?

06:32:16.460 Not bad.

06:32:17.200 You look kind of good.

06:32:18.120 That's not bad at all.

06:32:19.000 In the middle there,

06:32:19.880 you look like you could be like some famous actress.

06:32:21.720 So it's like a cigarette mom in the last one.

06:32:23.400 Yeah.

06:32:24.000 You know what?

06:32:24.440 I look like my mother.

06:32:25.440 I'm okay with this.

06:32:25.940 I like how you have the split dye though.

06:32:27.780 That is kind of cute.

06:32:28.900 Yeah.

06:32:29.460 All right.

06:32:30.000 Uh,

06:32:30.360 next.

06:32:33.300 Beautiful.

06:32:33.920 Yeah.

06:32:34.340 Beautiful.

06:32:34.740 Are you kidding?

06:32:36.240 We still have such soft features.

06:32:39.000 Like even in the AI aging photos.

06:32:40.960 Like you still have the soft cheeks and soft eyes.

06:32:43.720 And I love that for you.

06:32:44.980 Really bad.

06:32:45.640 That's beautiful.

06:32:46.520 You would make cookies or something like that.

06:32:48.860 You look sweet.

06:32:49.660 I don't want to crush you.

06:32:51.980 Ooh.

06:32:52.480 Okay.

06:32:52.780 Not bad.

06:32:53.520 Not bad.

06:32:54.880 Not bad either.

06:32:55.400 You had like a hundred too.

06:32:56.520 Yeah.

06:32:56.700 That's pretty good.

06:32:57.860 I think that's a good photo of you too.

06:32:59.180 I don't want to see mine.

06:32:59.980 We can skip over mine.

06:33:02.100 Next.

06:33:05.460 All right.

06:33:06.480 Wait,

06:33:06.700 Batty.

06:33:07.620 Also.

06:33:07.920 And you know what?

06:33:09.940 You guys are on my blacklist.

06:33:11.980 Oh shit.

06:33:12.740 I didn't do this too.

06:33:13.340 Can you make this your profile picture on Instagram?

06:33:15.460 The last one?

06:33:16.020 Oh my goodness.

06:33:16.920 I look like my mom.

06:33:17.320 Wait,

06:33:17.460 the first one's also AI.

06:33:18.340 The first picture.

06:33:19.120 She looks like somebody really familiar in the next picture.

06:33:22.280 I was like,

06:33:22.600 he didn't really recognize my face right.

06:33:23.340 Trying to like put my finger on it.

06:33:24.960 Put the lines on it.

06:33:25.640 Uh,

06:33:26.040 next.

06:33:30.300 Oh God.

06:33:31.200 Oh man.

06:33:33.680 Please no.

06:33:34.240 There you go.

06:33:35.140 You look like a rocker chick.

06:33:36.060 It's good.

06:33:36.360 All right.

06:33:36.640 Next.

06:33:38.620 Oh God.

06:33:39.600 Oh man.

06:33:41.620 All right.

06:33:42.300 There you go.

06:33:45.180 What was that about?

06:33:46.460 Next.

06:33:49.480 Oh man.

06:33:51.020 Not bad though.

06:33:52.200 I like slowly look more and more like a man.

06:33:56.240 All right.

06:33:56.800 I may not be smoking hot when I get older,

06:34:00.340 but I look like I'm smoking pot.

06:34:02.400 Oh wow.

06:34:03.500 Wait,

06:34:03.960 beautiful.

06:34:05.240 Wait,

06:34:05.640 why is she?

06:34:06.100 I really love it.

06:34:09.000 Oh,

06:34:09.300 Felicity's gone.

06:34:09.980 Yeah.

06:34:10.560 Felicity's nose is ageless.

06:34:11.980 Next.

06:34:14.360 Oh wow.

06:34:15.040 Oh my God.

06:34:17.320 You have fucking Santa Claus over here.

06:34:18.840 Oh man.

06:34:20.040 Why did it make you balding in the last ones?

06:34:22.240 Well,

06:34:22.420 it's accurate.

06:34:23.280 It's accurate.

06:34:24.380 You know,

06:34:24.920 I probably have a year or two left.

06:34:26.740 What was that?

06:34:30.540 Santa Claus and Saint Nick.

06:34:32.540 Yeah.

06:34:33.260 Oh.

06:34:34.480 I get it.

06:34:35.540 Saint Nick.

06:34:36.220 Saint Nick.

06:34:37.240 Yeah.

06:34:37.560 Like that Nick?

06:34:38.400 Yeah.

06:34:39.400 Oh yeah.

06:34:40.140 We'll do it for Nick sometime.

06:34:41.480 And then we've gender swapped all of you.

06:34:44.220 Oh my God.

06:34:44.620 I like this one.

06:34:46.220 I like this one.

06:34:47.080 I'm excited to see all of them.

06:34:48.120 I love this.

06:34:49.060 I'm a little androgynous.

06:34:51.120 The question is,

06:34:53.560 would you date the male version

06:34:56.400 of you?

06:34:57.900 I'd be so much uglier as a guy.

06:35:00.020 Hey,

06:35:00.300 wait until you see it.

06:35:01.680 Maybe it's a-

06:35:02.480 Am I working your favorite?

06:35:03.600 You might be a handsome man.

06:35:04.460 I don't know.

06:35:04.680 I've done the Snapchat.

06:35:05.740 What if your male version like Mawg's-

06:35:08.120 You got a transition.

06:35:09.480 It's not happening.

06:35:10.240 Oh.

06:35:11.860 Oh wait,

06:35:12.560 you got a transition?

06:35:14.720 Selena.

06:35:15.380 Selena the yapper.

06:35:16.540 Wow.

06:35:16.900 He's fired.

06:35:18.520 Do you,

06:35:19.800 would you date him?

06:35:21.920 She's like trying to find a reason to say no.

06:35:23.960 That's like an eight out of ten man at least.

06:35:25.780 And he's a feminist.

06:35:27.380 I like how they do facial hair and I post money scripts on Instagram is what it's giving.

06:35:32.040 I kind of fuck with it.

06:35:35.700 All right.

06:35:36.980 Like.

06:35:37.980 I like the beard one.

06:35:38.900 He's kind of bad.

06:35:40.080 Okay.

06:35:40.980 Let's go next.

06:35:45.740 Oh.

06:35:46.460 Oh,

06:35:46.780 I'd fuck with him.

06:35:48.760 Over the last guy.

06:35:50.100 He's kind of cute.

06:35:52.840 I don't think this is accurate.

06:35:54.940 They're funny.

06:35:55.240 Would you,

06:35:55.420 would you date him?

06:35:56.760 No.

06:35:57.880 I think the hair was kind of a failing.

06:35:59.600 Yeah.

06:35:59.880 Yeah.

06:36:00.300 Yeah.

06:36:01.220 Something's wrong.

06:36:01.940 Why did he give you dandruff as a man?

06:36:03.760 You have such pretty hair.

06:36:05.120 Do you have a brother?

06:36:06.340 I,

06:36:06.820 I have many brothers actually.

06:36:08.360 Oh wow.

06:36:08.920 Oh,

06:36:09.360 your dad was busy.

06:36:10.940 Oh.

06:36:12.160 both of them were busy actually.

06:36:13.560 Two marriages.

06:36:15.340 Two marriages.

06:36:16.000 I'm the only kid that they had together.

06:36:17.660 Okay.

06:36:18.180 Okay.

06:36:18.620 I see.

06:36:18.940 I see.

06:36:19.080 So a lot of half siblings.

06:36:22.140 Next.

06:36:24.020 Oh.

06:36:26.020 God damn.

06:36:27.640 I told you.

06:36:28.900 I don't know.

06:36:29.880 You can compete with some male celebrities for hottest man of the year.

06:36:33.480 He looks like.

06:36:34.200 He probably is,

06:36:34.980 but it's okay.

06:36:36.360 That's like every single man in CSB right there.

06:36:38.380 That's Chad.

06:36:39.700 They're for real.

06:36:41.400 That's Chad.

06:36:42.840 Yeah.

06:36:43.260 His name is Chad.

06:36:43.640 What if he's a nice guy though?

06:36:45.760 I don't know if he's a nice guy.

06:36:46.560 If he's a nice guy.

06:36:48.160 Sure.

06:36:48.600 If he's a nice guy.

06:36:49.300 Yeah.

06:36:49.360 No,

06:36:49.500 he's cute.

06:36:49.940 Sure.

06:36:50.740 Next.

06:36:51.300 Sure.

06:36:51.880 Okay.

06:36:53.460 Wait,

06:36:53.940 they did do dirty with that one.

06:36:55.060 They did do you dirty.

06:36:56.000 I don't feel like that one's bad at all.

06:36:57.540 It's not.

06:36:57.980 His hair is decent.

06:36:59.700 Yeah.

06:36:59.900 He's still got,

06:37:00.220 it's still got a nice jawline.

06:37:01.660 Good cheekbones.

06:37:03.020 He's symmetrical.

06:37:04.300 Very symmetrical.

06:37:05.160 Yeah.

06:37:05.580 Yeah.

06:37:05.900 Okay.

06:37:06.360 She's good.

06:37:07.400 She's digging it.

06:37:08.000 She's digging it.

06:37:09.940 No.

06:37:10.460 Is that a no?

06:37:12.040 Would you date him?

06:37:13.160 I'll date me.

06:37:15.480 All right.

06:37:16.000 Clone her.

06:37:16.620 Clone her and she can date herself.

06:37:18.180 Clone her.

06:37:18.620 Next.

06:37:20.240 Ooh.

06:37:22.140 You look like a guy who does cocaine in the bathroom.

06:37:26.840 Oh my goodness.

06:37:27.860 If I was a guy,

06:37:28.920 I would be that guy.

06:37:30.280 Hell yeah.

06:37:30.920 Get it.

06:37:31.940 That was a man I would be.

06:37:33.400 Chad,

06:37:33.960 do you see what I'm seeing here?

06:37:36.500 You know what?

06:37:37.220 I would totally hit.

06:37:38.500 You'd make a really hot couple just saying with yourself.

06:37:41.300 Thank you.

06:37:42.540 Siblings are kidding.

06:37:44.360 Yeah,

06:37:44.820 no,

06:37:45.040 I would.

06:37:45.240 That's my read.

06:37:46.300 For sure.

06:37:47.020 Very handsome man,

06:37:47.880 very beautiful woman.

06:37:49.260 Thank you.

06:37:50.000 He definitely had a head transplant.

06:37:52.600 And I totally would as a man.

06:37:55.160 I think I tried to make him a silver fox a little bit too.

06:37:59.900 Next.

06:38:00.260 Oh God.

06:38:02.240 Oh,

06:38:02.780 wait.

06:38:03.400 I'm scared.

06:38:04.160 Do it again.

06:38:05.340 I'm scared.

06:38:06.440 Oh,

06:38:06.760 wow.

06:38:07.720 No.

06:38:08.340 Oh,

06:38:08.820 wow.

06:38:09.460 You know what?

06:38:10.360 Why do you have a purple mustache?

06:38:11.660 It could be worse.

06:38:12.180 You like him?

06:38:12.720 It could be worse.

06:38:13.980 He definitely does real estate.

06:38:15.380 I just love those cheeks.

06:38:16.340 They look so cute.

06:38:17.500 He's just a little,

06:38:18.300 he's a little chubby.

06:38:19.340 Look at those cheeks.

06:38:21.100 Oh my goodness.

06:38:22.580 Yeah,

06:38:22.740 with the beard,

06:38:23.520 that's pretty hot.

06:38:24.320 He looks like a nice guy.

06:38:25.800 He looks older than you though.

06:38:28.140 I mean,

06:38:28.680 that's my type.

06:38:30.260 Would you date the male version of you?

06:38:34.400 Oh my God.

06:38:35.280 That one looks like my brother.

06:38:38.240 No.

06:38:39.140 Hey,

06:38:39.440 bro.

06:38:40.640 At least we know it's accurate.

06:38:42.060 It's my half brothers.

06:38:43.460 Only half.

06:38:45.860 Yes.

06:38:46.540 Well,

06:38:46.780 I guess you're married.

06:38:47.640 So I don't know.

06:38:48.340 Next.

06:38:51.340 Not bad.

06:38:51.860 I feel like I looked better last time.

06:38:54.320 They did you right.

06:38:55.400 The beard.

06:38:56.560 Wait,

06:38:56.920 you look like.

06:38:57.140 I would still date myself though.

06:38:59.040 If I was single.

06:39:00.500 Who's that guy who's on trial for murder?

06:39:04.280 No.

06:39:06.080 With the joke or the smile tattoo.

06:39:10.100 Do you know who I'm talking about?

06:39:11.180 I don't know his name,

06:39:11.980 but yes.

06:39:13.480 Kind.

06:39:14.280 Eh,

06:39:14.640 whatever.

06:39:15.160 Like,

06:39:15.400 I get what you mean.

06:39:16.140 It's the hair.

06:39:16.960 Something like that.

06:39:17.780 Yeah.

06:39:18.320 Next.

06:39:18.860 Well,

06:39:18.980 thank God I'm not a man.

06:39:19.820 Cause then I'd be a criminal.

06:39:20.740 I guess.

06:39:22.680 Next.

06:39:23.040 This is maybe one of the better ones.

06:39:27.840 I've seen them do it.

06:39:28.600 Felicity.

06:39:29.120 They change it every week.

06:39:30.180 Yeah.

06:39:30.900 This is for sure.

06:39:32.200 One of the,

06:39:32.520 we got,

06:39:32.840 can Mary,

06:39:33.500 can you send this to Felicity?

06:39:35.580 She's going to love that.

06:39:36.820 Here,

06:39:37.460 take a quick,

06:39:38.040 oh.

06:39:38.500 Ooh.

06:39:39.880 You're so pretty.

06:39:41.860 this is inaccurate.

06:39:43.340 What the fuck?

06:39:45.320 What the fuck?

06:39:46.380 They made her go like,

06:39:47.120 literally gave you Facetune.

06:39:49.400 Oh.

06:39:49.680 And like a facelift.

06:39:50.740 Hold on.

06:39:51.100 They just colored his lips.

06:39:52.440 Hold on.

06:39:52.940 All of them get like,

06:39:55.480 uh,

06:39:56.020 not photoshops,

06:39:57.260 but like the AI cleans the,

06:39:58.560 for everybody.

06:39:59.740 Nah,

06:40:00.140 something ain't.

06:40:00.700 Wait,

06:40:00.780 do we have the other one?

06:40:02.380 Because I look even better in that.

06:40:03.780 Yeah,

06:40:03.980 the other one.

06:40:05.160 Like,

06:40:05.400 this isn't even the same face shape.

06:40:07.100 You should have long hair.

06:40:08.080 How did all,

06:40:08.680 what?

06:40:09.240 I don't like the short hair.

06:40:10.000 Where did all the fat in your face go?

06:40:11.940 Bruh.

06:40:12.300 That's beard.

06:40:13.740 It's covering.

06:40:14.620 First off,

06:40:15.220 Selena,

06:40:15.820 they matte,

06:40:16.320 so when they go from female to male,

06:40:19.540 they masculinize the face.

06:40:21.200 And when you go from male to female,

06:40:22.700 they feminize the face.

06:40:24.740 I guess it makes sense.

06:40:25.780 They make you look like a Karen.

06:40:26.720 I don't know about all that.

06:40:28.300 You need longer hair.

06:40:30.040 But you do look beautiful in that.

06:40:31.580 The AI is uglier.

06:40:34.260 Oh.

06:40:35.260 Well,

06:40:35.720 thank you.

06:40:36.120 I appreciate that.

06:40:37.040 Wait,

06:40:37.300 do you have the other one there?

06:40:38.300 Like the old one that we use?

06:40:40.100 No.

06:40:40.520 Just if you scroll up in the,

06:40:41.920 uh,

06:40:43.200 research,

06:40:43.800 it's there.

06:40:44.500 It's there.

06:40:45.020 I think the AI means.

06:40:45.940 I think they did.

06:40:46.820 Oh,

06:40:47.040 my bad.

06:40:47.640 They did me dirty.

06:40:48.840 Like I,

06:40:49.220 there's a better one.

06:40:51.020 They made me.

06:40:51.760 Set you up.

06:40:52.320 I need to see that.

06:40:54.600 Oh.

06:40:55.520 This is not.

06:40:56.200 This is the one I think.

06:40:57.960 Oh my God.

06:40:58.920 Wait,

06:40:59.100 this one's looking better.

06:41:00.480 I think.

06:41:01.000 It's more accurate.

06:41:01.220 Yes,

06:41:01.300 I would date that version of you.

06:41:02.760 Why y'all kind of look like that?

06:41:03.820 Brianna is really hot.

06:41:06.680 This is not.

06:41:07.880 If I was a chick,

06:41:08.940 Oh my God.

06:41:10.280 Wait,

06:41:10.420 what the fuck?

06:41:11.460 You'd get it.

06:41:12.060 If you were a chick.

06:41:13.180 Would you want to be a girl?

06:41:14.300 I would finesse.

06:41:15.360 No,

06:41:15.480 I'm just kidding.

06:41:15.920 I wouldn't finesse.

06:41:16.620 I'm just kidding.

06:41:17.180 I could if I wanted to though.

06:41:20.360 Okay.

06:41:20.960 Would you want to be a girl if you could?

06:41:23.480 Uh,

06:41:23.960 that's an interesting question.

06:41:25.840 Would I want to be a girl?

06:41:28.100 You know,

06:41:28.340 it's like,

06:41:28.600 what is the experience of being like the opposite sex?

06:41:34.820 Um,

06:41:35.780 I think,

06:41:37.660 uh,

06:41:38.360 I think all the,

06:41:41.880 sorry,

06:41:42.040 I'm like kind of just thinking this through before I give a response,

06:41:45.140 a rushed response.

06:41:46.120 Uh,

06:41:46.640 I,

06:41:46.880 I would say that,

06:41:47.720 uh,

06:41:49.380 not that there's anything wrong with being a woman,

06:41:52.280 but I'm happy being a man.

06:41:56.520 Like you,

06:41:57.260 I'm sure you feel like,

06:41:58.600 I'd find like you're want to be a woman,

06:42:01.840 right?

06:42:02.960 Yeah.

06:42:03.360 I like being a woman.

06:42:05.200 Okay.

06:42:05.740 Yeah.

06:42:06.200 Okay.

06:42:06.980 Yeah.

06:42:08.120 Cool.

06:42:08.700 Would you do the helicopter though?

06:42:10.360 If you were dude?

06:42:12.240 Yeah.

06:42:12.820 It's like the first thing women do.

06:42:14.240 Right.

06:42:15.280 Helicopter the,

06:42:15.980 the dick.

06:42:18.380 Chill out,

06:42:19.140 Selena,

06:42:19.760 bro.

06:42:20.140 What the heck?

06:42:20.820 Good night,

06:42:21.160 pasty George.

06:42:21.920 Okay.

06:42:22.480 Uh,

06:42:23.400 pasty George.

06:42:23.960 Thank you for this.

06:42:24.580 You're leaving pasty George.

06:42:25.920 Good night.

06:42:27.140 Pasty.

06:42:27.460 We're about to do the roast session.

06:42:28.820 How fucking roast pasty.

06:42:30.540 We need you.

06:42:31.020 Yeah.

06:42:31.180 We're going to do it.

06:42:31.960 Oh,

06:42:32.040 we haven't started.

06:42:35.300 Let's see here.

06:42:36.100 Finishing up.

06:42:36.700 There's a few more notes from some of you.

06:42:38.060 I'm going to blast through them.

06:42:39.060 Then we're going to do a roast session.

06:42:40.700 Uh,

06:42:41.360 S E,

06:42:42.320 uh,

06:42:42.660 it got,

06:42:43.100 you've been on the show.

06:42:44.060 It was over two years ago.

06:42:45.000 I think you were on twice.

06:42:46.640 I believe once with Kansas Owens.

06:42:48.880 Um,

06:42:49.680 has anything changed related to dating besides the fact that you're dating somebody now,

06:42:55.980 I guess?

06:42:57.200 Um,

06:42:57.640 no,

06:42:58.920 I don't think anything has necessarily,

06:43:00.620 I think for me,

06:43:01.300 I've been able,

06:43:02.880 like with my relationship now,

06:43:04.660 um,

06:43:05.800 I've been more of an active listener for like his needs and his wants.

06:43:09.320 Cause before I was working on myself a lot and so very self-centered.

06:43:13.580 So now this is my first relationship where I've opened up to like what the man needs and wants.

06:43:18.000 Oh man.

06:43:18.460 And not being like,

06:43:19.660 I don't care about your needs or what you want.

06:43:21.820 I love that for you.

06:43:22.680 And I love that for your relationship.

06:43:24.280 I mean,

06:43:24.520 that takes a lot from you to be able to be like,

06:43:27.460 Oh wow,

06:43:27.980 I'm like,

06:43:28.620 I can be better.

06:43:29.680 Yeah.

06:43:30.240 I'm going to put my ego to the side sometimes and be like,

06:43:32.480 okay,

06:43:32.740 I'm actively listening and hearing you out.

06:43:34.640 Right.

06:43:34.940 It does suck sometimes.

06:43:37.280 Uh,

06:43:37.700 S E in previous notes,

06:43:38.960 you sent you,

06:43:40.040 right.

06:43:40.900 And I think this is going to draw the ire of some of the women here.

06:43:43.860 You,

06:43:44.720 uh,

06:43:45.260 maybe you've changed on this.

06:43:46.580 You pay for first dates.

06:43:49.020 Any of the women have thoughts on that?

06:43:52.020 That's awesome.

06:43:53.420 I think it's cool.

06:43:55.040 Choice.

06:43:55.740 Feminism.

06:43:56.240 Thank you.

06:43:56.920 I like that.

06:43:57.300 You're like,

06:43:57.620 kind of like taking some of the power.

06:43:59.240 I think,

06:43:59.560 yeah,

06:43:59.760 right.

06:43:59.980 I kind of feel like that's kind of what you're doing too.

06:44:01.760 Is you're like,

06:44:02.100 no,

06:44:02.220 I'm paying for the first day.

06:44:03.220 I wear the pants.

06:44:04.180 Like I'm the breadwinner.

06:44:06.680 It's a fun flip.

06:44:07.920 It's a power move.

06:44:09.000 Yeah.

06:44:09.360 Power move.

06:44:11.360 And then afterwards she goes home.

06:44:13.580 Um,

06:44:13.740 and pegs the guys.

06:44:15.300 Whoa.

06:44:18.240 That's the superpower.

06:44:19.620 What Morena.

06:44:21.760 Oh,

06:44:21.920 Hey,

06:44:22.260 what do you think about that?

06:44:26.480 Good for you.

06:44:27.640 Thank you,

06:44:28.020 queen.

06:44:28.160 But like,

06:44:28.600 do you think that that's kind of like an L for the girl to pay for whatever she

06:44:31.920 want to do?

06:44:32.660 Love that.

06:44:33.600 Thank you.

06:44:34.560 All right.

06:44:35.020 Let's see who else we have here really quick.

06:44:38.300 Uh,

06:44:38.780 give me one sec here.

06:44:40.500 Oh my goodness.

06:44:42.740 Selena,

06:44:43.240 there's so many notes of yours.

06:44:44.500 We're probably not going to get through everything,

06:44:45.840 but we'll hit some of your notes.

06:44:47.760 And,

06:44:48.200 uh,

06:44:48.460 if you're down for the round two,

06:44:49.880 we'll run it back.

06:44:50.800 We'll do round two.

06:44:51.680 Oh my goodness.

06:44:52.300 Come on,

06:44:54.180 Selena.

06:44:54.480 You enjoyed this a little bit.

06:44:55.500 I,

06:44:56.220 okay.

06:44:56.640 Maybe not.

06:44:58.280 Okay.

06:44:59.000 All right.

06:45:00.180 Uh,

06:45:00.620 okay.

06:45:00.860 We did SC.

06:45:01.860 We did,

06:45:02.880 we did blue Jay.

06:45:05.000 We did Marina.

06:45:07.120 We did you.

06:45:09.940 Oh,

06:45:10.440 Erica.

06:45:10.920 Uh,

06:45:11.140 you're,

06:45:11.780 you already talked about your age gap though.

06:45:13.800 Uh,

06:45:14.140 we talked about that earlier.

06:45:15.180 Anybody here like have an issue with age gap relationships or.

06:45:17.960 I think for me,

06:45:19.460 I have an issue when the woman is under the age of like 23.

06:45:25.020 Hmm.

06:45:25.980 Um,

06:45:26.500 I just feel like.

06:45:30.240 Women.

06:45:30.860 What is it?

06:45:31.140 Like our frontal lobe develops at 25.

06:45:33.420 So your concern is like women being taken advantage of,

06:45:36.380 and there being some sort of inequality there.

06:45:38.520 I don't think it's necessarily like,

06:45:40.880 I don't think the intention on either end is to take advantage.

06:45:45.540 I just think it just happens to be the case when a woman is like very young

06:45:49.000 and naive.

06:45:49.720 Yeah.

06:45:50.440 Um,

06:45:50.920 that she just doesn't know any better with certain situations.

06:45:53.360 Right.

06:45:53.720 So I don't think like the man's intent is always to be like,

06:45:55.840 Oh,

06:45:55.940 I'm going to date a yoga girl.

06:45:57.020 Right.

06:45:57.320 I do also feel like the argument that everybody kind of matures at a

06:46:00.520 different age is also valid because I feel like a lot of people were

06:46:03.160 really forced to grow up really early.

06:46:04.860 And then that does give them a sense of,

06:46:07.460 you know,

06:46:07.720 uh,

06:46:08.120 adulthood early on,

06:46:09.400 but that can also give like some misinterpretations of responsibility.

06:46:14.360 Oh,

06:46:14.780 we do have,

06:46:15.340 okay.

06:46:15.580 So we have Lauren,

06:46:16.320 then we have your notes and then,

06:46:18.140 uh,

06:46:18.900 that's it for the notes.

06:46:20.360 Um,

06:46:21.160 Lauren,

06:46:21.720 you're a,

06:46:22.220 you mentioned this at the beginning,

06:46:23.560 you're a Buddhist,

06:46:24.340 a devout Buddhist of 13 years.

06:46:26.740 Yes,

06:46:27.140 sir.

06:46:27.500 I ordained as a nun at a temple in San Antonio back in 2018.

06:46:32.020 The Buddhist nun.

06:46:33.140 That's a thing.

06:46:33.740 That is a thing.

06:46:34.460 That's a female version.

06:46:35.560 So are you like celibate or is that different for Buddhism?

06:46:38.960 Uh,

06:46:39.200 you're celibate as long as you're in robe and ordained,

06:46:42.360 you take on like the eight precepts as a woman.

06:46:45.120 So that's no lying,

06:46:46.500 no killing,

06:46:47.120 no stealing,

06:46:47.840 no sexual misconduct,

06:46:48.980 no intoxication of the mind,

06:46:50.820 no beautification,

06:46:51.960 no sleeping on higher,

06:46:53.940 luxurious sleeping places,

06:46:55.560 no entertainment.

06:46:56.360 So you do all that and then you focus on your spiritual growth.

06:47:00.000 So how would you like additionally get into that?

06:47:02.320 I find Buddhism really,

06:47:03.620 really,

06:47:03.840 um,

06:47:04.480 really compelling and really interesting.

06:47:06.340 I had a friend introduced me back in 2012 and it really resonated with me because it really focuses on the premise of eradicating suffering,

06:47:14.480 human suffering.

06:47:15.140 And so,

06:47:15.760 uh,

06:47:16.840 went through a lot of that early on.

06:47:18.880 And then,

06:47:19.540 uh,

06:47:19.960 that really gave me a path to liberation from that.

06:47:23.860 Yeah.

06:47:24.200 I love,

06:47:24.580 I love Buddhism.

06:47:25.220 I like this idea of like spirituality being in yourself and you being able to like grow

06:47:29.700 that.

06:47:30.100 And the great thing is you can be a Buddhist and a Christian if you so desire because there's nothing in Buddhism that really contradicts Christian.

06:47:37.220 There might be something in Christianity that contradicts your ability to be a Buddhist potentially,

06:47:42.520 but I'm not an expert on that.

06:47:45.320 But,

06:47:45.500 uh,

06:47:46.340 were you arrested for at January 6th?

06:47:49.540 I got,

06:47:50.900 uh,

06:47:51.320 investigated by the FBI,

06:47:52.980 but thankfully I didn't get arrested.

06:47:55.840 Okay.

06:47:56.060 But you were at Jan 6th.

06:47:57.460 I was,

06:47:58.080 I got some pretty cool footage.

06:48:00.060 Good times.

06:48:00.580 Wow.

06:48:01.120 Good times.

06:48:01.920 Um,

06:48:02.080 we're going to blast through.

06:48:03.740 So Selena's gone,

06:48:04.700 but I'm going to blast through a couple of things in the questionnaire.

06:48:07.580 Uh,

06:48:07.980 some of you put like squiggly lines.

06:48:09.820 Does that mean maybe?

06:48:11.460 Yeah,

06:48:11.860 that was a little more of like a,

06:48:14.300 not really yes or no question,

06:48:16.340 but if I didn't circle it,

06:48:17.620 then it's probably leaning towards no.

06:48:19.980 Okay.

06:48:20.560 So one of them for you,

06:48:22.540 you,

06:48:22.880 women are just as physically strong as men.

06:48:25.140 So you're iffy on that one or.

06:48:27.420 I think that if we're talking on average,

06:48:30.060 no,

06:48:30.740 but I've,

06:48:32.780 there are plenty of women that are just as strong as men.

06:48:36.000 Like the average man.

06:48:39.160 Maybe not.

06:48:39.760 So that would be an exception to.

06:48:41.340 Maybe not like a bodybuilder,

06:48:42.720 but like the average man,

06:48:44.040 I think there are women that can compete with the average man.

06:48:46.160 Mm.

06:48:49.680 Um,

06:48:50.320 yeah.

06:48:50.760 So there,

06:48:51.320 there definitely are women who are stronger than some men.

06:48:55.600 But yeah,

06:48:56.180 if we're talking on average,

06:48:57.260 then no,

06:48:57.800 on average,

06:48:58.540 no,

06:48:58.760 the strongest people are usually are men.

06:49:01.840 Yeah.

06:49:01.980 Not,

06:49:02.160 well,

06:49:02.220 not just usually.

06:49:04.300 Um,

06:49:05.640 and then also Lauren,

06:49:07.140 you also circled this.

06:49:08.620 So you agree women are just as physically strong as men or.

06:49:12.640 Was that like a miss circle?

06:49:15.000 Yeah.

06:49:15.400 That must have been an accident.

06:49:17.280 Okay.

06:49:17.900 All right.

06:49:18.180 Then I,

06:49:18.680 nothing to.

06:49:19.200 Probably similar thought process to me.

06:49:21.560 All right.

06:49:22.400 Uh,

06:49:22.880 here,

06:49:23.400 let's go to since,

06:49:24.560 uh,

06:49:26.360 let's see.

06:49:27.900 Uh,

06:49:28.420 okay.

06:49:30.080 Grace.

06:49:31.560 Um,

06:49:32.740 we're not going to go through all of this,

06:49:34.440 but there are a few things here we can touch on briefly.

06:49:37.220 Um,

06:49:38.260 oh,

06:49:38.680 wait.

06:49:40.040 Okay.

06:49:40.400 So women do have equal rights to men in the USA,

06:49:43.040 but there's still like sexism or whatever.

06:49:45.120 Yeah.

06:49:45.880 Okay.

06:49:46.360 And you say,

06:49:47.260 uh,

06:49:48.020 but sexism is still so prevalent and we live in a very male centered patriarchal world.

06:49:56.380 Okay.

06:49:57.640 All right.

06:49:58.520 Um,

06:49:59.000 let's see here.

06:50:00.580 So you say,

06:50:01.480 uh,

06:50:01.780 you do agree though.

06:50:02.580 Women are oppressed in the USA because of sexism and yeah,

06:50:09.360 the patriarchy.

06:50:10.180 Yes.

06:50:10.900 What just,

06:50:11.560 what is the patriarchy?

06:50:13.000 Like what's your sense of the patriarchy?

06:50:15.300 Um,

06:50:15.780 just like a male,

06:50:20.040 like just a male centered way of thinking and just prioritizing men.

06:50:28.200 Prioritizing men.

06:50:29.020 What are the ways in which men are prioritized?

06:50:32.760 Just in everything.

06:50:34.240 I feel like,

06:50:36.580 and specifically I,

06:50:38.040 for a second,

06:50:38.380 I wanted to do,

06:50:39.260 um,

06:50:40.100 like women's healthcare because in healthcare,

06:50:42.700 there's a lot of studies that are just only,

06:50:45.160 um,

06:50:45.700 taking in like men into,

06:50:47.480 um,

06:50:49.580 Oh my God,

06:50:49.960 it's getting so late.

06:50:50.740 My brain is like not working,

06:50:51.800 but there's like a really large gender gap in,

06:50:54.280 um,

06:50:55.260 science and health for men.

06:50:57.520 And like things like Advil,

06:50:58.760 like are tested on like male cells and not female cells and male bodies and female bodies are very different.

06:51:03.200 And that's kind of,

06:51:04.460 you can kind of link like the reason that like a lot more women have like,

06:51:12.180 I mean,

06:51:12.520 I'm not like saying exactly it's because of this,

06:51:15.080 but like women deal with like a lot of headaches and like a lot of like body issues.

06:51:20.640 And like the menstrual cycle is like very taxing.

06:51:23.300 And like the entire world is kind of organized based on like the male hormone cycle,

06:51:27.280 which is like you have your high,

06:51:29.860 like highest level of testosterone in the morning and then it drops onto the night.

06:51:32.540 So like a nine to five shift would kind of like prioritize men in the way that it,

06:51:38.800 you get up early and then you have energy and then it drops towards the end of the day and then you're off work.

06:51:43.240 But like,

06:51:43.580 whereas for women it's like,

06:51:44.520 it fluctuates by monthly.

06:51:46.860 So like when you're ovulating,

06:51:47.800 you have the most testosterone and you have the most energy and like can do the most and are most active.

06:51:52.500 But like the days before you get your period,

06:51:54.660 you have less energy and it's not like the typical work cycle is based on women's hormones.

06:52:01.780 It's based on men's.

06:52:02.680 So should we restructure society to have work only be done or when women are ovulating?

06:52:11.800 No.

06:52:13.120 Okay.

06:52:13.380 Um,

06:52:14.060 and I guess my question is,

06:52:15.780 um,

06:52:16.680 you,

06:52:19.500 you mentioned like medicines,

06:52:21.140 they're more frequently tested on men,

06:52:23.320 less frequently tested on men a lot of the times.

06:52:26.040 Well,

06:52:26.440 I can think of a couple different reasons why this is,

06:52:29.040 you mentioned hormones.

06:52:31.220 Uh,

06:52:32.300 if it is the case that like women's,

06:52:34.780 uh,

06:52:35.900 greater fluctuation in their hormone profile,

06:52:38.440 uh,

06:52:39.420 could this have an impact on the,

06:52:41.980 uh,

06:52:42.880 the outcomes of a study done on the medication?

06:52:45.440 Whereas because of men's more like steady,

06:52:48.140 like it's less of a,

06:52:50.400 Oh,

06:52:50.620 what's the term for it?

06:52:51.640 Um,

06:52:53.040 what,

06:52:53.300 what's the term in a study where controlling for,

06:52:57.420 I get what you're saying,

06:52:58.120 but men's hormones are actually less stable because they fluctuate more frequently.

06:53:01.040 So because men are a bit more steady as it relates to their hormones,

06:53:06.640 that's less.

06:53:07.840 Because when you think about,

06:53:09.240 if you were to like look at a graph,

06:53:10.560 like it'd be like on a month large scale for like women.

06:53:13.540 So like,

06:53:14.080 say like their testosterone goes like this.

06:53:15.820 Right.

06:53:16.160 And so it's like on a month.

06:53:17.280 So when you like break it down like day by day,

06:53:19.280 it's like at a stable level,

06:53:20.860 but then for men it's one day and it goes like this.

06:53:24.400 So then if you break it down by one day,

06:53:26.160 it's like a more the,

06:53:29.040 um,

06:53:30.300 like the slope of the line is more drastic for,

06:53:32.840 for men and with their hormones.

06:53:34.600 Yeah.

06:53:35.500 I'm not an expert in hormones or whatever,

06:53:37.840 but,

06:53:38.420 um,

06:53:39.020 I,

06:53:39.300 it's in,

06:53:39.720 I'm confused though.

06:53:40.640 On,

06:53:40.880 on one hand,

06:53:41.700 the nine to five is better suited to men because of their,

06:53:46.160 their hormones.

06:53:47.320 Women's hormones seem,

06:53:48.520 I am under the impression that women's hormones is a bit more variable,

06:53:52.300 but then I'll just,

06:53:53.540 if,

06:53:53.960 if it is actually the case,

06:53:55.080 I'll just go ahead and take your word for it.

06:53:56.640 I'll abandon that argument.

06:53:58.240 The next thing I would then move to is because women,

06:54:00.960 uh,

06:54:01.480 are the only ones that can get pregnant.

06:54:03.680 Uh,

06:54:04.120 and even if the woman is,

06:54:06.260 you know,

06:54:06.920 uh,

06:54:07.760 it is the case that if a woman is involved in medical trial and we're,

06:54:11.120 you,

06:54:11.720 uh,

06:54:12.120 testing experimental drugs on her,

06:54:14.820 um,

06:54:16.140 we don't want to potentially like,

06:54:18.180 it's not just this experimental drug could then,

06:54:21.140 uh,

06:54:21.760 harm her,

06:54:22.460 but it could also harm,

06:54:24.000 uh,

06:54:26.000 a potential child.

06:54:27.640 Like birth defect.

06:54:29.060 What's that?

06:54:29.440 That she could have in the future.

06:54:30.260 Is that what you're saying?

06:54:30.820 Or like they wouldn't do with pregnant woman.

06:54:32.580 Well,

06:54:32.820 so like we,

06:54:33.740 we avoid like,

06:54:34.840 uh,

06:54:35.120 I'm trying to think there was like a medication that women took for headaches,

06:54:38.700 like way back in the fifties or something,

06:54:41.180 but they found out if anybody can remember the birth defects,

06:54:44.260 but I know actually,

06:54:44.960 but,

06:54:45.180 but,

06:54:45.800 and it created really severe birth defects when these women were pregnant.

06:54:49.480 So I think one of the reasons why there's like,

06:54:51.780 at least from the researcher perspective of like hesitation of wanting to have

06:54:55.600 women be more represented in,

06:54:58.300 um,

06:54:58.800 in like medical research is one of the components is the fact that women can get

06:55:03.920 pregnant.

06:55:04.680 Sometimes there's unplanned pregnancies.

06:55:07.200 Um,

06:55:07.720 in this case,

06:55:08.900 I mean,

06:55:09.160 I perhaps you could just say,

06:55:10.660 well,

06:55:11.000 okay,

06:55:11.240 then the women for the course of the study have to remain like completely

06:55:14.860 celibate to avoid the risk of,

06:55:17.180 uh,

06:55:17.600 you know,

06:55:17.980 getting pregnant and,

06:55:19.020 and potentially there being like really,

06:55:21.100 really serious birth defects.

06:55:22.960 Um,

06:55:23.460 or maybe like only pro choice women,

06:55:25.720 I guess,

06:55:26.100 cause then they,

06:55:26.560 I guess they could just abort the kid.

06:55:27.840 But I mean,

06:55:28.220 that's kind of,

06:55:28.820 that's another conversation.

06:55:30.460 But,

06:55:31.000 um,

06:55:31.420 I think that that's one of the reasons,

06:55:33.620 but also I'm not sure if the framing of this as being like a,

06:55:38.980 like,

06:55:40.440 I think if we were only medically experimenting on women,

06:55:43.860 I kind of think feminists would argue,

06:55:46.920 they would say,

06:55:47.780 wait,

06:55:48.720 hold on.

06:55:49.260 You guys are using women's bodies to test these potentially harmful,

06:55:53.560 dangerous medications on women only.

06:55:56.700 And these men are just not having to be met.

06:55:58.860 I think like women are always going to default to this wanting to view the,

06:56:02.580 this through the lens of victimization.

06:56:04.620 Um,

06:56:05.140 like,

06:56:05.520 Oh,

06:56:05.880 they aren't get pumping us full of experimental medications that may or may

06:56:10.400 not cause cancer or cause like really bad side effects.

06:56:13.840 I think there's a more compelling argument on this specific topic.

06:56:18.160 I actually think men are more,

06:56:21.760 are so desperate to make money that they're going,

06:56:25.660 maybe women are smarter in this capacity.

06:56:27.800 Women are like,

06:56:28.640 nah,

06:56:28.840 I don't really want,

06:56:30.060 I don't want to risk my health to be medically experimented on.

06:56:33.880 And even if I get paid for it,

06:56:35.100 men are like,

06:56:36.880 fuck it.

06:56:37.540 Give me the drugs.

06:56:38.720 Give me the shit.

06:56:39.860 I need money.

06:56:41.000 So perhaps that speaks to a socioeconomic argument that men feel more desperate to the point

06:56:47.540 that they're resorting to like allowing,

06:56:49.740 like who knows what this medication or experimental treatment might do.

06:56:55.060 And then I think the other thing would be,

06:56:57.120 I just think,

06:56:58.060 I don't know.

06:56:58.600 I don't think it's like a privileged position to be medically experimented on and given like

06:57:05.000 exploratory drugs.

06:57:07.420 I actually think that that's perhaps a bit like a,

06:57:13.000 I don't think that that's a benefit.

06:57:15.120 Well,

06:57:15.300 it's a problem when women are not getting healthcare that is specific to their body and that like

06:57:21.940 hurts them.

06:57:23.040 Also,

06:57:23.220 you can look at,

06:57:23.780 I think that's fair.

06:57:23.920 So HPV disproportionately kills women more than it does in men.

06:57:28.440 It affects both men and women,

06:57:29.560 but there's a large connection to it killing women.

06:57:33.500 And why is that?

06:57:34.800 It's because there's a massive gap in healthcare to help women specifically.

06:57:41.880 Wait,

06:57:42.040 there's a,

06:57:42.540 because of HPV,

06:57:43.820 there's a gap,

06:57:44.960 but wouldn't this be addressing like women's specific health concern?

06:57:51.280 Like there's been a massive rollout of like Gardasil.

06:57:56.300 So I'm,

06:57:56.920 I don't think they're ignoring women's health concerns on this particular thing.

06:58:01.360 Well,

06:58:01.380 it's kind of pushing it to the side.

06:58:02.380 I don't know.

06:58:02.680 I'm just saying that.

06:58:03.440 Sure.

06:58:03.980 Like just an example of the patriarchy being prevalent in our society today is because there's

06:58:10.060 massive gap in research done.

06:58:12.520 The health stuff.

06:58:13.440 Yeah.

06:58:13.660 All the health stuff.

06:58:14.380 Because then it's just like women are not getting the health or it's just also so many

06:58:18.500 concerns that like women have will be like,

06:58:21.040 Oh,

06:58:21.200 like I have a headache.

06:58:22.000 And like,

06:58:22.600 have you heard of like,

06:58:23.400 like male sickness?

06:58:24.240 Like when guys get sick,

06:58:25.320 like they like act like they're like dying.

06:58:26.860 They're like,

06:58:27.120 Oh my God.

06:58:27.660 Like I like am like dying.

06:58:29.720 Could it be the case though,

06:58:31.000 that the,

06:58:33.480 because of the physiological differences between men and women that men do experience?

06:58:40.220 I mean,

06:58:40.520 this,

06:58:40.980 I don't know if there would be like objective markers you can measure,

06:58:45.040 but because of the difference in physiology between men and women,

06:58:48.660 could it be the case that men do like when they are having the flu or COVID or whatever it is

06:58:55.940 that they do actually,

06:58:57.880 it may be impacts them more.

06:59:01.920 Yeah.

06:59:02.320 I think that as women,

06:59:03.160 we have to have a higher pain tolerance because like,

06:59:05.940 yeah.

06:59:06.080 Cause like giving birth and stuff,

06:59:07.320 like we actually pass that threshold of pain that would normally like kill a man.

06:59:12.260 Yeah.

06:59:12.660 And so I think it's really impressive and powerful that women can do.

06:59:16.160 But I also think that,

06:59:17.680 yeah,

06:59:17.780 when it comes to like reproductive rights and stuff,

06:59:19.840 it's really controversial.

06:59:21.420 Yeah.

06:59:21.820 No,

06:59:21.980 I do think that women have a higher pain,

06:59:23.560 higher pain tolerance than men on average.

06:59:25.300 I would say.

06:59:25.840 So,

06:59:26.120 okay.

06:59:26.300 There's the patriarchy.

06:59:27.880 Um,

06:59:29.020 you say women are oppressed in the USA.

06:59:31.260 Just,

06:59:31.600 I'm really quick.

06:59:32.460 How are,

06:59:33.360 uh,

06:59:33.700 how are women oppressed in the USA?

06:59:35.960 I feel like we talked about this for like three hours.

06:59:38.720 Just really quick.

06:59:39.560 What's your like recap on it then?

06:59:41.120 Um,

06:59:42.560 like,

06:59:43.120 are you,

06:59:43.620 you're a woman.

06:59:44.300 Are you oppressed?

06:59:46.360 Like as a white woman,

06:59:47.380 I'm not as oppressed as like a lot of like any woman of color.

06:59:51.660 But are you still oppressed nevertheless?

06:59:53.560 Less.

06:59:55.640 Like,

06:59:56.720 yeah,

06:59:58.480 because I'm a woman.

06:59:59.340 Yeah.

07:00:00.140 So,

07:00:00.560 how so though for you?

07:00:06.640 I don't know.

07:00:07.440 I just,

07:00:08.520 just give me one thing.

07:00:09.840 Quick.

07:00:10.040 First thing that comes to your mind.

07:00:12.080 Um,

07:00:13.200 I don't know.

07:00:15.920 I was thinking we can order who,

07:00:17.400 anybody here hungry?

07:00:18.220 We're going to order some food for you guys.

07:00:19.720 Sound good?

07:00:20.220 Yeah.

07:00:20.840 Sound good.

07:00:21.580 Mary,

07:00:22.000 can you see what is available?

07:00:23.800 Anybody here have any dietary restrictions?

07:00:28.440 Like,

07:00:28.600 can you eat pepperoni or something?

07:00:31.100 No dietary restrictions.

07:00:32.840 Pepperoni pizza.

07:00:33.580 Who's in favor?

07:00:34.320 No cheese.

07:00:36.020 I can't have.

07:00:36.760 Oh my God.

07:00:37.720 You're going to pick it off.

07:00:38.280 No,

07:00:38.760 I can't.

07:00:39.620 Oh,

07:00:39.900 wait,

07:00:40.720 wait,

07:00:40.960 wait.

07:00:41.160 Okay.

07:00:41.640 I see what,

07:00:42.620 uh,

07:00:42.860 what about,

07:00:43.360 do you want olive?

07:00:44.860 Do you like olive?

07:00:45.940 Okay,

07:00:46.360 Mary,

07:00:46.560 can you do one pepperoni,

07:00:48.260 one olive pizza?

07:00:49.120 Is Ivy pizza pub open?

07:00:53.800 I think just,

07:00:55.660 it's fine.

07:00:56.540 It's fine.

07:00:57.340 Um,

07:00:58.220 sorry,

07:00:58.500 what was that?

07:00:59.860 Somebody was putting something out?

07:01:01.320 um,

07:01:02.000 if,

07:01:02.360 I was asking if Ivy pizza pub was open,

07:01:04.160 it's like the best pizza nearby.

07:01:05.440 Yeah,

07:01:05.640 yeah.

07:01:05.820 Um,

07:01:06.160 cool.

07:01:06.800 No,

07:01:07.040 okay.

07:01:07.280 I like,

07:01:07.680 I was like really slut shamed in middle school and like,

07:01:10.180 I could say like that was an example of like being oppressed,

07:01:13.240 like for my gender.

07:01:14.380 Slut shaming.

07:01:15.100 Wait,

07:01:15.340 were you like sexually active in middle school?

07:01:18.260 Um,

07:01:18.960 like,

07:01:19.200 I don't want to get into it,

07:01:20.240 but I was like definitely slut shamed in middle school.

07:01:23.060 When middle school,

07:01:23.980 that's like seventh,

07:01:25.000 eighth.

07:01:26.880 I thought that was,

07:01:27.760 it's like fourth,

07:01:29.200 fifth,

07:01:29.460 sixth.

07:01:30.360 Isn't it?

07:01:30.840 No,

07:01:31.220 no,

07:01:31.360 no.

07:01:31.760 Wait,

07:01:32.300 six,

07:01:32.540 seventh,

07:01:32.800 eighth.

07:01:33.960 No,

07:01:34.160 I was in middle school in sixth,

07:01:35.620 seventh,

07:01:35.860 eighth grade.

07:01:36.700 Wait,

07:01:37.300 I would say in eighth grade,

07:01:38.600 I was very slut shamed.

07:01:41.280 And I was not sexually active.

07:01:43.300 Wait,

07:01:43.520 like probably like,

07:01:44.480 okay.

07:01:45.160 Like for like things that I wore.

07:01:46.260 People can make things up or like extending explicit photos,

07:01:49.480 stuff like that.

07:01:50.020 Yeah,

07:01:50.220 it was just like.

07:01:50.940 Wait,

07:01:51.140 sending,

07:01:51.580 well,

07:01:51.820 hold on.

07:01:52.120 Anybody who's under the age of 18.

07:01:53.860 Yeah,

07:01:54.100 I know.

07:01:54.400 But like a lot of people do that.

07:01:56.100 Well,

07:01:56.200 they shouldn't.

07:01:56.920 Okay.

07:01:58.060 They shouldn't.

07:02:00.180 Let's see.

07:02:01.000 Okay.

07:02:01.280 So the slut shaming in middle school oppression.

07:02:05.220 When I think of oppression,

07:02:06.220 though,

07:02:06.300 I'm typically,

07:02:07.080 typically thinking of like some sort of like,

07:02:12.140 like law,

07:02:12.940 government,

07:02:13.740 like a law,

07:02:15.120 government.

07:02:15.460 Well,

07:02:15.660 you could say like birth control rights and abortion rights.

07:02:19.920 I would,

07:02:20.420 is oppressive towards women when you're not allowed to do that.

07:02:24.340 I would argue that women are the only ones that have reproductive rights.

07:02:27.580 So that's actually an example of how men are unequal to women.

07:02:30.880 Wait,

07:02:31.180 male have men have reproductive rights too.

07:02:33.500 Not when it's regarding to the infancy of a child.

07:02:37.800 Okay.

07:02:38.720 Well,

07:02:39.000 reproductive would,

07:02:40.140 I think it would,

07:02:42.200 men have parental rights once the child is born.

07:02:46.840 But as it relates to reproductive rights,

07:02:48.820 I don't really think men have any,

07:02:50.380 any reproductive rights.

07:02:52.140 Like for example,

07:02:53.100 if the man wants to keep the kid,

07:02:55.020 the woman wants to abort it.

07:02:56.840 Man can't do anything.

07:02:58.480 The woman,

07:02:59.440 or excuse me,

07:02:59.940 the man wants the woman to get the abortion.

07:03:01.880 The woman wants to keep it.

07:03:03.140 Can't do anything about it.

07:03:04.600 Okay.

07:03:04.800 Sure.

07:03:05.080 Yeah.

07:03:05.400 Yeah.

07:03:06.580 So are you oppressed though?

07:03:10.140 I just like,

07:03:11.280 don't even know.

07:03:12.120 All right.

07:03:12.580 Okay.

07:03:13.120 Is there,

07:03:13.580 do you feel like there's rights or opportunities that you don't get,

07:03:16.860 but men do?

07:03:18.280 Well,

07:03:18.500 she says that men,

07:03:19.820 men and women do have equal rights.

07:03:22.180 Yeah.

07:03:22.820 Yeah.

07:03:23.240 Okay.

07:03:23.720 Then I don't see really quick to you.

07:03:25.720 Uh,

07:03:26.040 Celine,

07:03:26.940 uh,

07:03:27.160 you say women are oppressed in the USA really quick.

07:03:29.100 How?

07:03:30.640 Uh,

07:03:31.160 that was a mistake guys.

07:03:33.160 Oh wait,

07:03:33.720 can you take the little bottle and the thingy ma bobber off the table?

07:03:37.420 Yeah.

07:03:38.100 Um,

07:03:38.820 okay.

07:03:39.160 That was a mistake.

07:03:40.140 Uh,

07:03:40.760 Selena,

07:03:42.460 for some reason you did not circle.

07:03:45.820 Maybe you don't think women are oppressed in the USA.

07:03:48.280 Okay.

07:03:49.100 Um,

07:03:50.500 let's see with,

07:03:51.460 uh,

07:03:52.240 going back to grace,

07:03:53.940 finishing off your questionnaire.

07:03:56.060 Uh,

07:03:56.480 you think men are more privileged in society than women.

07:03:59.260 We talked about that though.

07:04:00.380 Uh,

07:04:00.740 people of color can't be racist towards white people.

07:04:03.940 We talked about that.

07:04:05.800 Basically.

07:04:06.760 Do you still hold that position or was I at all convincing?

07:04:10.380 No,

07:04:10.800 I still hold it.

07:04:11.680 Still hold.

07:04:12.140 So,

07:04:12.340 so like black people can't be racist towards white people.

07:04:15.860 I think we should ask that.

07:04:16.960 That's like,

07:04:17.440 what about Asian people?

07:04:18.420 I actually loved that,

07:04:19.560 that piece earlier,

07:04:20.540 but I couldn't say anything.

07:04:21.700 Sorry.

07:04:22.080 I didn't mean to cut you off there,

07:04:23.060 grace.

07:04:23.260 If you want to continue.

07:04:24.640 Like you could call it racism by the definition of racism,

07:04:27.700 but I think it's completely different because of the history.

07:04:30.640 So if I'm willing to grant that,

07:04:32.740 uh,

07:04:33.640 if we're taught,

07:04:34.220 so if we're talking about different kinds of racism,

07:04:36.320 like,

07:04:36.680 so I think there's like individual racism,

07:04:38.580 but then there's like the systemic racism that I think you're alluding to.

07:04:43.560 Uh,

07:04:44.040 I think I'd probably be absolutely prepared to agree in grants that black

07:04:48.100 people in this country have faced certain systemic racism that like white

07:04:52.080 people haven't like case in point slavery,

07:04:55.000 case in point,

07:04:55.940 like other things I could cite to.

07:04:57.340 Yes.

07:04:57.800 But like when I'm thinking of racism,

07:05:00.540 I think it can occur on the micro and the macro level.

07:05:05.860 So the macro level would be like slavery,

07:05:08.780 right?

07:05:09.180 Macro,

07:05:09.700 uh,

07:05:10.480 micro level would be like a black person goes up to a white person.

07:05:16.520 Actually,

07:05:17.000 it doesn't go up to them and sitting behind them on a transit on a train.

07:05:21.340 And while stabbing them to death,

07:05:23.940 stabbing a white woman to death,

07:05:25.280 uh,

07:05:25.940 says something about their skin color and calls,

07:05:28.520 I don't know.

07:05:29.060 What was the thing with the,

07:05:30.100 the train?

07:05:30.960 What was the girl's name?

07:05:31.700 He said something along the lines of,

07:05:33.220 I got that white.

07:05:34.600 I got that white bitch.

07:05:35.900 Yeah.

07:05:36.480 Could that be evidence of a racially motivated,

07:05:40.920 uh,

07:05:42.200 a racist incident?

07:05:45.480 Yeah.

07:05:46.740 Okay.

07:05:47.780 Um,

07:05:49.300 all right.

07:05:50.660 Um,

07:05:52.100 so perhaps,

07:05:52.880 I don't know if this is a middle ground here.

07:05:54.720 Uh,

07:05:55.200 black people more so than white people face,

07:05:58.840 uh,

07:05:59.340 have faced more or most of the systemic discrimination in this country.

07:06:06.960 Uh,

07:06:07.520 well,

07:06:07.720 you might say all of it,

07:06:10.040 but,

07:06:10.320 um,

07:06:11.240 yeah,

07:06:11.520 on a micro level,

07:06:12.880 white people can experience like racism.

07:06:18.340 Yeah,

07:06:18.680 sure.

07:06:19.220 On the,

07:06:19.540 like,

07:06:19.820 uh,

07:06:20.260 it's just like so different,

07:06:23.060 but not just an individual level,

07:06:24.560 but like for,

07:06:25.360 it could be in other ways too.

07:06:28.340 But how about this?

07:06:29.940 Would this,

07:06:30.440 um,

07:06:30.720 would this be an example of systemic racism?

07:06:34.360 While Barack Obama was president of the United States,

07:06:37.740 um,

07:06:38.680 and you said earlier with your definition of race,

07:06:41.180 I think either sexism or racism,

07:06:42.560 was it prejudice?

07:06:44.280 Uh,

07:06:44.840 racism equals prejudice plus power.

07:06:46.740 Mm-hmm.

07:06:48.100 Yeah.

07:06:48.480 So Barack Obama being the executive,

07:06:51.980 the,

07:06:52.160 the top executive,

07:06:53.080 uh,

07:06:54.280 well,

07:06:54.540 excuse me,

07:06:54.900 let me rephrase,

07:06:55.660 being the leader of the most powerful country in the world,

07:06:58.960 being the leader of the executive branch of the United States,

07:07:02.680 uh,

07:07:03.760 well,

07:07:04.140 the United States,

07:07:04.800 the United States government,

07:07:05.680 if he had a policy where he refused to hire white people in any,

07:07:12.100 uh,

07:07:12.440 any roles in the white house,

07:07:14.120 would this be a systemic oppression or a systemic systemically racist policy?

07:07:22.160 Yes.

07:07:23.420 Okay.

07:07:24.080 All right.

07:07:25.140 Well,

07:07:25.380 nothing else to argue with there.

07:07:27.180 I think your final thing here,

07:07:28.460 grace,

07:07:28.900 women can't be sexist towards men.

07:07:30.560 Any revision there?

07:07:32.160 Micro.

07:07:32.360 It's like the same,

07:07:33.140 same thing.

07:07:33.760 Same thing.

07:07:34.220 Same thing.

07:07:34.680 Okay.

07:07:34.940 So a woman could like walk up to a dude and like stab him just because he's a

07:07:39.600 man and she hates men.

07:07:40.720 And this would be sexist for you.

07:07:42.660 Yeah.

07:07:43.260 But you don't think systemically that women have,

07:07:45.980 uh,

07:07:47.660 that,

07:07:48.020 that you think women have been more systemically oppressed than men have.

07:07:53.020 Yes.

07:07:53.380 Okay.

07:07:54.180 All right.

07:07:55.680 Um,

07:07:56.160 let's see here.

07:07:58.920 Okay.

07:07:59.540 Uh,

07:07:59.960 let's hold on.

07:08:02.360 Selena,

07:08:03.320 Selena,

07:08:03.540 any thoughts on any,

07:08:04.360 any of those women can't be sexist towards men,

07:08:06.240 people of color can't be racist towards white people.

07:08:08.740 Any,

07:08:09.320 anything there?

07:08:11.820 I mean,

07:08:12.640 I,

07:08:12.920 I think on those points,

07:08:15.720 like,

07:08:16.300 yes,

07:08:16.540 by textbook definition,

07:08:17.840 sure.

07:08:20.560 Racism,

07:08:21.120 sexism.

07:08:21.680 Yeah.

07:08:21.800 That can exist to men,

07:08:23.380 to white people.

07:08:24.120 But when it comes to on a systemic and bigger scale,

07:08:30.240 we just haven't,

07:08:32.980 we just haven't seen that happen.

07:08:34.480 Cause,

07:08:34.740 cause some people,

07:08:35.580 and look,

07:08:36.520 I,

07:08:36.740 on the systemic front,

07:08:37.740 I'll just,

07:08:38.260 for this,

07:08:39.380 for the simplicity sake,

07:08:40.320 I'll go ahead and grant it.

07:08:41.260 Like,

07:08:41.540 yeah,

07:08:41.700 probably it's the case that in some ways,

07:08:44.160 or at least with race,

07:08:45.240 I think it's pretty clear cut to me that,

07:08:47.080 yeah,

07:08:47.460 there's definitely differences in like systemic oppression of black people.

07:08:50.340 However,

07:08:51.260 some people outright say you can't be racist as like a,

07:08:55.760 just broad overall statement.

07:08:57.500 You can't,

07:08:58.680 a black person can't be racist towards a white person.

07:09:02.180 Do you agree with that?

07:09:04.140 I mean,

07:09:04.600 there is a textbook definition of racism,

07:09:07.080 right?

07:09:07.420 And that's having a certain prejudice to a racial group.

07:09:11.500 So of like textbook,

07:09:14.120 right?

07:09:14.360 We can't argue with the textbook definition.

07:09:17.220 And then the same with women being sexist towards men.

07:09:19.400 Like some people say women can't be sexist towards men because I mean,

07:09:24.480 I think oppression,

07:09:25.960 I think with those arguments,

07:09:27.480 it's,

07:09:27.840 it's,

07:09:28.120 it's,

07:09:28.420 it's more nuanced when they say can't be,

07:09:31.500 I don't think they mean textbook definition can't be.

07:09:34.380 I just think they mean on a larger scale,

07:09:38.000 it,

07:09:38.620 it just would not equate.

07:09:40.960 Sure.

07:09:41.720 That's why you need to reframe that.

07:09:45.040 Honestly,

07:09:45.840 that's why I was talking about earlier about the needing to disagree.

07:09:50.400 Because we got to the same point.

07:09:54.680 And then going to Natalie.

07:09:58.400 I thought you,

07:09:59.240 you wrote Natalie.

07:10:00.440 Yeah,

07:10:00.600 that's my real name.

07:10:01.340 Oh,

07:10:01.540 that's your,

07:10:02.140 Oh,

07:10:02.780 you have to have SoundCloud name.

07:10:04.340 I get it.

07:10:05.800 You just really quick on the people of color can't be racist towards white

07:10:09.120 people.

07:10:09.500 Um,

07:10:11.540 any thoughts there?

07:10:13.180 Yeah,

07:10:13.420 I agree.

07:10:15.060 On a,

07:10:15.940 are you talking like systematic,

07:10:18.180 uh,

07:10:18.600 systemic level?

07:10:19.820 Or like,

07:10:20.620 for example,

07:10:21.220 can like a,

07:10:21.920 a person who's Latino,

07:10:23.660 uh,

07:10:24.780 walk up to a white person and like really dislike white people and like stab them to

07:10:29.360 death.

07:10:29.660 Is that racist?

07:10:30.700 I don't believe in reverse racism.

07:10:33.140 You don't believe in reverse racism.

07:10:36.660 Um,

07:10:37.100 what about like racism?

07:10:38.540 What about between different,

07:10:39.680 uh,

07:10:40.000 differing groups of people of color?

07:10:41.620 So like,

07:10:42.400 can a black person be racist towards an Asian person into the mic?

07:10:48.680 I guess.

07:10:50.020 Can a Mexican or,

07:10:53.640 uh,

07:10:54.380 what's the categorization?

07:10:55.360 Uh,

07:10:55.900 can somebody who's Latino be racist towards a black person?

07:11:01.340 I guess.

07:11:02.760 Okay.

07:11:03.540 Um,

07:11:04.360 can an Asian person be racist towards white people?

07:11:07.980 Can an Asian person be racist towards white people?

07:11:13.180 Yeah.

07:11:13.480 I don't think you can be racist towards white people.

07:11:15.600 Across the board.

07:11:16.540 Yeah.

07:11:17.060 Black people,

07:11:17.620 Native Americans,

07:11:18.680 um,

07:11:20.040 uh,

07:11:20.540 whatever other racial group.

07:11:23.500 Okay.

07:11:24.100 So like that instance where there's that girl who's on like the train or the transit or

07:11:29.020 whatever,

07:11:29.280 and the black guy sitting behind her like stabs her to death.

07:11:33.220 And like,

07:11:33.880 while he's stabbing her to death,

07:11:35.760 he's saying like,

07:11:36.560 I got that white bitch.

07:11:39.060 I think white people invented racism.

07:11:40.900 Sorry.

07:11:41.200 What white people invented racism.

07:11:44.260 True.

07:11:44.840 Wait,

07:11:45.280 hold on.

07:11:46.240 Are you just to be clear?

07:11:48.300 I just,

07:11:49.200 hold on.

07:11:50.100 Hold on.

07:11:51.020 I said what I said.

07:11:53.780 Doesn't make it make sense.

07:11:54.880 Hold on.

07:11:55.680 You're not going to like this.

07:11:57.100 So actually I think you're,

07:11:58.960 you do realize that,

07:12:01.900 that in Western countries,

07:12:04.420 Western countries,

07:12:07.660 the United States are the most tolerant culture.

07:12:19.260 Like,

07:12:20.100 for example,

07:12:21.840 uh,

07:12:22.740 I,

07:12:23.120 I,

07:12:23.340 I mean,

07:12:23.800 can you think of a more tall,

07:12:25.560 like,

07:12:25.800 I,

07:12:26.100 Oh my God,

07:12:26.680 bro.

07:12:26.820 I can't even,

07:12:27.420 I think she's,

07:12:29.460 I think she's rage baiting.

07:12:31.080 Hold on.

07:12:32.880 Do you think like the racism in,

07:12:35.240 uh,

07:12:35.800 like various Asian countries is fucking insane.

07:12:39.480 Uh,

07:12:40.000 racism.

07:12:40.520 I'm not super familiar with racism,

07:12:42.700 like in Latin American countries,

07:12:44.240 but like,

07:12:45.320 I think there's like even inter,

07:12:47.400 like fucking Venezuelans hate the,

07:12:49.440 like they,

07:12:50.300 uh,

07:12:50.540 Peruvians fucking hate Chileans and shit.

07:12:53.680 Like that's the level of it,

07:12:55.560 right?

07:12:55.940 They hate their fellow Latinos of different,

07:12:59.140 whatever break.

07:12:59.800 Maybe that's a nationality thing.

07:13:01.040 I don't fucking know.

07:13:01.820 In any case,

07:13:02.800 the fucking,

07:13:03.660 uh,

07:13:04.340 if you look at Asian countries,

07:13:06.200 bro,

07:13:06.620 Holy shit,

07:13:07.640 dude.

07:13:07.760 So Japan,

07:13:09.140 Japan,

07:13:11.060 Korea,

07:13:11.960 China,

07:13:12.520 they all are like at odds with each other racially.

07:13:17.320 Okay.

07:13:18.860 America.

07:13:19.340 I know you hate,

07:13:20.300 I know you maybe don't like America.

07:13:22.480 America is incredibly tolerant.

07:13:25.020 It's there are still Western countries are the least racist countries.

07:13:30.060 That's not true.

07:13:30.980 What the West invented racism.

07:13:32.960 That's ridiculous.

07:13:33.940 No,

07:13:34.320 it's not.

07:13:34.940 Wait,

07:13:35.180 hold on.

07:13:36.360 Racism is,

07:13:37.560 is,

07:13:38.420 uh,

07:13:38.620 okay.

07:13:38.800 You know what?

07:13:39.960 Uh,

07:13:40.840 what,

07:13:41.100 what's the word for it?

07:13:42.100 Racism knows no race.

07:13:44.800 Okay.

07:13:45.060 You know what?

07:13:45.520 I can give you that.

07:13:46.520 I can give you that in the sense that,

07:13:47.980 okay,

07:13:48.180 maybe,

07:13:48.740 but the,

07:13:50.640 the structural structural racism that we see today was literally invented by the West

07:13:59.540 in order to propagate an imperialist agenda and to,

07:14:03.680 why are we laughing?

07:14:07.140 Imperialist agenda.

07:14:08.060 Okay.

07:14:08.460 Like what,

07:14:09.740 what do you mean?

07:14:10.740 What do you not know what imperialism is?

07:14:12.360 I can explain that.

07:14:13.060 Yeah,

07:14:13.180 go ahead.

07:14:13.500 Explain it to me.

07:14:14.780 You,

07:14:15.180 you want me to explain what imperialism?

07:14:16.920 What do you mean when you say imperial?

07:14:18.540 When I say imperialism,

07:14:19.900 I'm talking about the West going,

07:14:23.280 going into foreign nations and imposing.

07:14:29.560 It is,

07:14:30.080 it's imperial imperial interest and also imposing capitalism.

07:14:34.900 Borders don't exist on stolen land.

07:14:39.420 What's,

07:14:40.360 what are you saying?

07:14:41.260 Wait,

07:14:41.420 what?

07:14:41.640 So,

07:14:41.880 okay.

07:14:42.180 Hold on.

07:14:42.400 We're talking about like colonial right now in this context.

07:14:45.300 This makes no sense.

07:14:46.840 Well,

07:14:47.000 I mean,

07:14:47.320 it's,

07:14:47.640 it's,

07:14:48.100 it is kind of,

07:14:49.220 there are some corollaries when it comes to immigration,

07:14:51.420 but I won't go down that rabbit hole.

07:14:53.980 But,

07:14:54.240 um,

07:14:55.180 I mean,

07:14:55.440 I,

07:14:55.660 it's interesting to me.

07:14:56.440 You think it was invented by the evil white man or whatever.

07:14:59.560 I mean,

07:15:00.620 it was,

07:15:01.160 was,

07:15:01.540 do you know what Darwinism is?

07:15:03.360 What was Darwin?

07:15:04.880 When was Darwin alive?

07:15:06.240 You think Darwin pre like,

07:15:08.780 no,

07:15:09.020 I'm saying racism only started after Darwin in art.

07:15:14.120 Did I say that?

07:15:15.540 I asked you,

07:15:16.460 do you know what Darwin?

07:15:17.620 Okay.

07:15:18.060 Well,

07:15:18.340 I can,

07:15:19.140 do you,

07:15:19.480 I can explain who Darwin is to you.

07:15:22.520 Sure.

07:15:23.060 Okay.

07:15:23.260 Tell me.

07:15:25.820 So with the modern construction of racism that we,

07:15:29.560 we see here in America today,

07:15:31.180 a lot of it was propagated by Darwinism and a lot of the time,

07:15:40.100 certain things that were put in the Bible.

07:15:43.600 Wait,

07:15:44.100 hold on.

07:15:44.540 You do real,

07:15:45.300 wait,

07:15:45.580 I don't know why you're reverting to this.

07:15:48.120 Like,

07:15:48.780 by the way,

07:15:49.900 honestly,

07:15:50.560 look,

07:15:50.860 you're not going to like this.

07:15:52.840 Islam was spread by the sword.

07:15:55.320 Like that's the Genesis.

07:15:57.280 Okay.

07:15:57.860 So you're just going to find like the,

07:15:59.680 that the,

07:16:00.200 the conservative talking point you see online and bring it up.

07:16:03.220 Islam was literally spread by the sword.

07:16:05.680 Where does it say that?

07:16:06.560 What do you mean?

07:16:06.940 Uh,

07:16:07.640 all like history books ever.

07:16:10.020 Islam.

07:16:11.240 Can you like cite,

07:16:12.400 um,

07:16:13.100 specifically what part of the text it says?

07:16:15.580 Does it,

07:16:16.140 does it say that in the text?

07:16:18.200 I'm not an expert in like Islamic theology.

07:16:21.060 So if you don't know,

07:16:22.220 then why are we speaking on it?

07:16:24.260 I can't cite to like the specific.

07:16:26.360 Okay.

07:16:26.760 So,

07:16:27.000 so I,

07:16:27.920 but,

07:16:28.120 but that's the thing,

07:16:29.080 right?

07:16:29.700 It was spread by the sword.

07:16:31.700 And by the way,

07:16:32.800 and Christianity was spread by the sword.

07:16:34.820 Okay.

07:16:35.140 Before,

07:16:35.460 before,

07:16:35.980 look,

07:16:36.420 I,

07:16:37.540 if somebody in the,

07:16:38.360 hold on,

07:16:38.680 let the host finish speaking,

07:16:40.740 please.

07:16:41.020 Thank you.

07:16:41.600 Appreciate it.

07:16:42.540 Great.

07:16:43.000 Holy glaze.

07:16:44.100 So before,

07:16:45.300 uh,

07:16:46.720 Christendom ever set foot in any Muslim country,

07:16:49.900 there were massive Muslim conquests into Muslim,

07:16:54.900 or excuse me,

07:16:55.620 there are massive,

07:16:56.240 massive Muslim conquests into Christian nations and Christian territory and Christian countries.

07:17:04.340 So you,

07:17:05.660 you had,

07:17:06.400 uh,

07:17:06.820 I believe it was the Ottoman empire reaching,

07:17:09.640 correct me if I'm wrong,

07:17:11.220 if it's not the Ottoman empire,

07:17:12.440 reaching all the way into like Austria,

07:17:17.440 V I believe Vienna,

07:17:18.860 right?

07:17:19.540 So this idea that like a lot of the,

07:17:23.140 by the way,

07:17:23.460 a lot of the crusades were like,

07:17:24.580 I believe in response to Islamic aggression.

07:17:29.060 Sure.

07:17:30.960 Okay.

07:17:31.740 Spain,

07:17:33.240 massive,

07:17:34.180 like Spain took centuries to reconquer its land.

07:17:39.580 Spain was Christian and there were massive Muslim conquests through Northern Europe into Spain,

07:17:47.040 into Portugal.

07:17:48.000 And then you had it all the way into Vienna,

07:17:51.480 Austria.

07:17:52.680 There were massive,

07:17:53.780 massive amounts of Muslim conquests into Christian territory.

07:17:58.700 So what's your point here?

07:18:01.300 My point is this idea that like Christianity is some like war mongering people.

07:18:07.700 A lot of these,

07:18:08.760 you referenced the crusades.

07:18:10.260 A lot of that was in response to the conquest.

07:18:15.420 It was,

07:18:16.160 it was re taking land that was taken from Christendom.

07:18:23.040 Okay.

07:18:23.660 Anyways,

07:18:23.980 I'm not,

07:18:24.340 look,

07:18:24.520 I'm not a theological expert.

07:18:25.760 This isn't like an area of expertise for me,

07:18:28.220 but like this idea that white people bad and like other,

07:18:33.680 uh,

07:18:34.580 nationalities,

07:18:35.660 other groups of people who aren't white,

07:18:38.480 having like committed atrocities throughout all of history.

07:18:41.540 Like,

07:18:42.020 I don't understand.

07:18:42.620 Is it white people who have always been the ones like all these people are peaceful and they're just,

07:18:50.140 and the white man comes in and he just wants war or have all civilizations,

07:18:58.060 whether they're white,

07:18:59.660 whether they're Asian,

07:19:01.420 whether they're you,

07:19:02.060 whatever the Mongol,

07:19:03.440 hold on,

07:19:03.740 the Mongolian conquest,

07:19:05.420 they made it into your,

07:19:06.740 uh,

07:19:06.960 Europe.

07:19:07.880 Okay.

07:19:08.480 So.

07:19:09.600 So this,

07:19:10.180 this idea that like all races besides white people have always been a peaceable people.

07:19:14.820 It's kind of crazy.

07:19:15.600 So I never said that.

07:19:16.740 I never said that,

07:19:17.700 um,

07:19:18.620 all people have been a peaceful people.

07:19:20.300 What I'm,

07:19:20.660 you said white people invented racism.

07:19:22.480 Okay.

07:19:22.880 So you think when the Mongolian conquest,

07:19:24.840 that's not racist,

07:19:25.920 the Mongolian,

07:19:26.660 hold on,

07:19:27.180 hold on.

07:19:27.580 You think the Mongolian conquest as they were like,

07:19:30.640 okay,

07:19:30.980 can I just,

07:19:31.480 hold on.

07:19:32.020 Let me just finish this.

07:19:32.740 The Mongolian conquest,

07:19:34.480 as they're completely scorching their way through Eurasia,

07:19:38.120 you think that they,

07:19:39.060 there wasn't like probably some,

07:19:41.200 like a racial component to,

07:19:43.200 uh,

07:19:43.940 well,

07:19:44.140 I don't think,

07:19:44.460 I think it was more conquest related,

07:19:46.180 but you think like racism,

07:19:48.620 so I don't know why we're going into conquests.

07:19:51.160 Do you think the Mongols,

07:19:52.400 do you think the Mongols didn't like view themselves as like racially superior to like the white tribes and like the,

07:19:59.040 I I'm trying to think of it precisely.

07:20:00.620 Can I just,

07:20:01.320 can I like,

07:20:01.860 you don't think they didn't think that themselves is like racially supreme or anything like that.

07:20:05.880 So we are talking about modern day racism.

07:20:12.140 I don't know if the Mongols felt themselves racially supreme,

07:20:15.520 but that was motivated through conquest,

07:20:17.740 right?

07:20:18.040 Back then it was about garnering land.

07:20:20.080 It wasn't necessarily as much as,

07:20:24.580 um,

07:20:25.200 it wasn't necessarily,

07:20:26.080 it wasn't necessarily as much specifically about race.

07:20:32.800 Now,

07:20:33.000 when we're moving into modern day capitalism,

07:20:35.560 Oh boy.

07:20:37.580 Which was invented by the white man.

07:20:41.520 Cap,

07:20:42.140 hold on.

07:20:43.180 Oh my God.

07:20:44.020 How are you going to dispute this point?

07:20:45.720 Capitalism was created by the West.

07:20:49.360 Hold on.

07:20:50.140 Modern day.

07:20:50.900 Why are you confused?

07:20:53.660 Modern day capitalism.

07:20:56.760 Hold on.

07:20:57.400 This.

07:20:58.320 Okay.

07:20:59.220 Sorry.

07:20:59.640 Finish your point.

07:21:00.420 Finish your point.

07:21:01.440 If that's what you're going to do every time I speak,

07:21:03.580 like I can't have a good faith.

07:21:05.640 I'm still struggling to really comprehend,

07:21:08.020 to wrap my brain around why you think that the Midwest is responsible for racism when we didn't invent slavery.

07:21:14.140 Wait,

07:21:14.360 this is,

07:21:14.520 hold on.

07:21:14.940 This is,

07:21:15.200 this is,

07:21:15.380 this is claim that white people invented capitalism.

07:21:18.300 The Silk Road,

07:21:19.780 they were trading spices.

07:21:21.060 You don't think that there was commerce in like parts of Asia?

07:21:24.720 Commerce is not capitalism.

07:21:28.120 I have gold bar.

07:21:30.640 You give me spices for gold bar.

07:21:34.540 Oh my God.

07:21:35.400 Okay.

07:21:35.620 Then,

07:21:35.920 then,

07:21:36.360 then fine.

07:21:37.000 I'm retarded.

07:21:37.580 Explain capitalism to me.

07:21:39.420 And how,

07:21:39.880 where does the gold standard come from?

07:21:41.740 I mean,

07:21:42.100 if it's not worth money,

07:21:43.620 if the barter system doesn't correlate to monetary value,

07:21:46.300 then where does the,

07:21:47.760 where does that even come from?

07:21:50.500 So,

07:21:51.820 modern day capitalism

07:21:53.180 is based on colonialism and imperial conquest.

07:22:01.780 Okay.

07:22:02.260 So,

07:22:03.040 our current system,

07:22:05.300 which is our modern day form of capitalism,

07:22:10.700 is built upon exploiting populations

07:22:16.280 and extracting from those exploited countries

07:22:22.200 that we exploit

07:22:23.680 and taking their resources

07:22:27.940 in order for us to get wealthier.

07:22:31.100 Can we agree upon that?

07:22:33.120 How are we taking resources from other countries

07:22:35.160 if we're like paying for them?

07:22:36.840 Oh my God.

07:22:39.480 Exploitation.

07:22:40.700 Do you know what that is?

07:22:42.840 Yes.

07:22:43.280 I,

07:22:43.460 I can wrap my head around exploitation.

07:22:45.620 Okay.

07:22:46.040 So,

07:22:47.020 we are paying them.

07:22:48.560 We pay them

07:22:49.440 their minimum,

07:22:51.340 if not less,

07:22:52.140 like cents for their labor.

07:22:55.060 And then,

07:22:56.000 after that,

07:22:56.980 we take

07:22:58.400 those goods

07:23:00.020 that are worth

07:23:00.800 a lot more

07:23:01.700 and

07:23:02.900 we

07:23:04.000 build wealth

07:23:05.760 off of exploiting people.

07:23:07.520 So,

07:23:08.980 I think we can,

07:23:10.100 in our,

07:23:10.580 in our own country,

07:23:11.680 in our own government,

07:23:12.540 we can control minimum wage

07:23:14.220 because that is something that's,

07:23:15.600 you know,

07:23:15.800 it's within our control.

07:23:17.100 But to be able to tell another country,

07:23:18.960 oh,

07:23:19.080 you have to pay your workers

07:23:20.260 so-and-so

07:23:20.940 in order to sell to me.

07:23:21.740 even pay others

07:23:23.020 the minimum wage.

07:23:24.980 I'm saying,

07:23:25.640 you're saying that we're,

07:23:26.680 we're taking resources

07:23:27.440 from other countries.

07:23:28.520 Wouldn't other countries

07:23:29.300 be setting the standard

07:23:30.240 for the minimum wage,

07:23:31.580 not us?

07:23:32.440 So,

07:23:32.980 do you not think

07:23:33.680 that we are

07:23:34.260 extracting resources

07:23:35.540 from other countries

07:23:36.420 and exploiting them?

07:23:37.400 You think we should be offering

07:23:38.300 to compensate them

07:23:39.040 in ways that they

07:23:40.020 aren't asking for?

07:23:41.620 Okay,

07:23:42.220 that's,

07:23:42.840 yeah.

07:23:43.600 Um,

07:23:43.920 I,

07:23:45.080 I,

07:23:46.280 I just,

07:23:46.880 this is,

07:23:48.000 I just feel like

07:23:49.120 it's basic economic fundamentals,

07:23:51.440 you know?

07:23:51.740 Yeah,

07:23:51.860 that's basic,

07:23:53.140 that's exploitation 101,

07:23:54.720 yes.

07:23:55.900 I just say you don't know

07:23:57.120 how economy works.

07:23:59.200 Economics.

07:23:59.880 I'm not gonna,

07:24:00.560 I'm not gonna clear,

07:24:01.580 like,

07:24:01.800 I'm sorry,

07:24:02.480 I,

07:24:02.900 I,

07:24:03.760 I'm just not gonna have this.

07:24:05.260 If it,

07:24:05.540 clearly you believe,

07:24:06.840 like,

07:24:07.100 okay,

07:24:08.480 if there are certain people,

07:24:12.280 we can just,

07:24:13.520 if,

07:24:13.700 if we don't,

07:24:14.380 if we're not legally mandated

07:24:15.960 to pay the minimum wage,

07:24:17.420 we don't have to.

07:24:18.780 And,

07:24:18.940 and,

07:24:19.440 like,

07:24:20.000 that is exploitation.

07:24:25.300 Okay.

07:24:25.840 Textbook definition.

07:24:27.180 All right,

07:24:27.640 so what are,

07:24:29.160 are we going to do about it?

07:24:30.540 What can we do about it?

07:24:32.700 At least pay

07:24:34.340 the people

07:24:36.640 that are working

07:24:37.200 in the foreign countries

07:24:38.160 that we're exploiting

07:24:39.220 a minimum wage.

07:24:40.960 But other countries

07:24:41.640 don't have,

07:24:42.060 like,

07:24:42.100 the same dollar value

07:24:43.240 that we do either.

07:24:44.340 So you have to think

07:24:45.000 about that.

07:24:45.820 Okay.

07:24:47.820 I do,

07:24:48.140 I'll move it off of this,

07:24:49.340 but,

07:24:49.620 um,

07:24:49.980 final few things here

07:24:50.940 from the questionnaire.

07:24:52.280 Uh,

07:24:53.380 let's see.

07:24:54.780 It is,

07:24:55.660 what the heck?

07:24:56.260 These are weird.

07:24:57.040 Um,

07:24:57.460 past should not matter.

07:24:59.600 Body count.

07:25:00.880 Uh,

07:25:01.300 Celine,

07:25:02.040 you agree.

07:25:03.140 Past should not matter.

07:25:05.260 Grace,

07:25:05.620 you say it depends.

07:25:07.520 Natalie,

07:25:08.540 okay,

07:25:09.420 that's pretty much it

07:25:10.420 for everybody.

07:25:11.260 Uh,

07:25:11.660 okay,

07:25:11.940 well,

07:25:12.300 um,

07:25:13.120 I think it was only

07:25:13.780 you,

07:25:14.980 and then Grace,

07:25:15.780 you said it depends.

07:25:17.180 Uh,

07:25:18.140 going around the table.

07:25:22.060 What's your body count?

07:25:24.560 Starting with you.

07:25:25.340 Oh,

07:25:27.660 with me?

07:25:28.000 Yeah.

07:25:28.140 Oh,

07:25:28.280 yay.

07:25:28.600 Okay.

07:25:29.100 Um,

07:25:30.100 five men,

07:25:30.640 two women.

07:25:31.740 Oh,

07:25:32.160 whoa.

07:25:32.720 Wait a minute.

07:25:33.440 I didn't know about it.

07:25:35.340 You?

07:25:36.000 One.

07:25:37.300 Okay.

07:25:37.520 I have to say.

07:25:38.060 You have to.

07:25:39.020 Into the mic,

07:25:39.480 into the mic,

07:25:39.920 into the mic.

07:25:40.480 Ten.

07:25:41.040 Okay.

07:25:41.640 Essie?

07:25:42.340 I think,

07:25:43.160 mine's either 12 or 13 now,

07:25:44.580 I think.

07:25:44.920 Okay.

07:25:46.160 Natalie?

07:25:46.800 I don't know.

07:25:48.060 Did you lose track?

07:25:49.320 Yeah.

07:25:50.000 No,

07:25:50.160 no,

07:25:50.400 no,

07:25:50.520 no.

07:25:50.600 Did you,

07:25:52.620 wait,

07:25:52.820 wait,

07:25:52.920 wait,

07:25:53.040 hold on.

07:25:53.340 Natalie,

07:25:53.640 Natalie.

07:25:54.820 Did you lose track?

07:26:00.000 I don't think so.

07:26:00.940 Do you,

07:26:01.400 do you want a ballpark?

07:26:03.100 You want a ballpark?

07:26:05.360 You're just going to sit,

07:26:06.520 does this question offend you or?

07:26:09.880 Get it.

07:26:10.420 Do you want an energy drink?

07:26:11.460 Get this girl an energy drink.

07:26:12.840 You want an energy drink?

07:26:15.480 Energy drink?

07:26:20.040 Do you?

07:26:22.420 Those energy drinks are pretty effective.

07:26:23.900 Don't even say anything.

07:26:24.980 Just use your hands.

07:26:26.640 And you can go like this for,

07:26:28.020 you know,

07:26:29.540 20,

07:26:29.960 30,

07:26:30.380 40.

07:26:36.300 Okay.

07:26:36.840 You want,

07:26:37.260 here,

07:26:37.520 I'll help.

07:26:38.340 Thumbs up or thumbs down?

07:26:40.240 Over 50.

07:26:42.960 Thumbs up,

07:26:43.740 thumbs down.

07:26:44.980 If you don't do a thumbs up or thumbs down.

07:26:47.240 I don't think she's going to answer the question.

07:26:48.580 It's over 50.

07:26:50.280 It's a yes.

07:26:51.940 Over a hundred?

07:26:53.240 Your body?

07:26:53.660 Oh my God.

07:26:54.600 Natalie,

07:26:55.560 you are such a little player girl.

07:26:57.700 Oh my God.

07:26:58.420 You have so much game,

07:27:00.000 Natalie.

07:27:00.640 Oh my God.

07:27:01.440 I'm so proud of you.

07:27:03.000 A hundred?

07:27:04.500 Natalie,

07:27:05.020 a thousand?

07:27:06.200 How do you find,

07:27:07.120 Natalie,

07:27:09.640 how do you find the time

07:27:11.520 between your,

07:27:12.520 your emerging rap career

07:27:14.540 and just sleeping with all these men?

07:27:19.040 Okay.

07:27:19.480 Good talk.

07:27:20.560 Grace,

07:27:21.140 body count.

07:27:22.220 It's just not information

07:27:23.640 that I want the public to know about.

07:27:24.960 Do you want to do like a ballpark?

07:27:26.660 No.

07:27:27.280 Do you want to do a less than,

07:27:29.300 Nope.

07:27:31.120 Less than 20?

07:27:34.000 No,

07:27:34.180 I'm going to stay mysterious.

07:27:35.020 Above 20?

07:27:35.720 I'm going to stay mysterious.

07:27:36.900 Ooh.

07:27:37.200 53?

07:27:37.540 That's just not something

07:27:38.280 I want the public to know.

07:27:39.340 I don't need to disclose

07:27:40.360 sexual information on myself

07:27:41.440 to the entire world.

07:27:42.600 I'm going to ask everybody,

07:27:44.760 well,

07:27:45.000 okay,

07:27:45.140 whatever.

07:27:46.200 Body count?

07:27:48.000 Four.

07:27:48.780 Four.

07:27:49.660 Selena.

07:27:50.420 I don't disclose.

07:27:51.720 Is it below 20?

07:27:54.880 Bruh.

07:27:56.040 It's more.

07:27:57.720 It's okay.

07:27:59.420 I don't disclose this information.

07:28:02.720 This is private.

07:28:05.660 Multiply it by three

07:28:06.720 and that's the real number.

07:28:08.780 How about this?

07:28:09.900 Wait,

07:28:09.920 did you say yours?

07:28:11.060 Yeah.

07:28:11.480 Okay.

07:28:12.060 Oh,

07:28:12.360 sorry.

07:28:12.600 I don't know

07:28:12.980 if it's a fear of privacy

07:28:13.920 or a fear of being exposed,

07:28:15.820 honestly.

07:28:16.240 Let's do this.

07:28:17.200 What age did you lose

07:28:18.300 your virginity?

07:28:19.100 I was 17.

07:28:20.380 Oh,

07:28:20.880 man.

07:28:21.200 I'm really sad

07:28:21.920 to admit this.

07:28:23.020 Really didn't have

07:28:23.840 great examples growing up,

07:28:25.020 but I was 12.

07:28:26.760 Way young.

07:28:27.980 Yeah,

07:28:28.280 I don't advise it.

07:28:29.500 That's honestly

07:28:30.000 why I'm here.

07:28:30.660 I was 20.

07:28:31.620 20?

07:28:32.740 17.

07:28:33.900 18.

07:28:35.360 Oh,

07:28:35.700 come on.

07:28:36.120 This one's not bad.

07:28:38.180 Natalie.

07:28:39.160 Girl,

07:28:39.600 I just said I was 12,

07:28:41.160 but like,

07:28:41.740 I can't get much worse

07:28:44.700 than that.

07:28:46.360 We're going to,

07:28:47.000 we're going to,

07:28:47.800 you don't get a slice of pizza

07:28:48.740 if you don't,

07:28:49.660 if you're just going to sit there

07:28:50.520 pouting the rest of the night.

07:28:52.120 Come on,

07:28:52.600 just,

07:28:52.960 this isn't a bad one.

07:28:55.780 Oh my God.

07:28:56.900 Are you going to answer

07:28:57.420 other questions

07:28:58.040 or are you just going to sit there?

07:28:59.460 Done for.

07:29:00.520 Is she just ignoring me?

07:29:02.640 Yeah,

07:29:02.960 I think that it's just

07:29:03.840 being a bad guest.

07:29:05.640 A bad.

07:29:06.600 Oh my God.

07:29:07.640 Holy.

07:29:07.980 Girl,

07:29:08.340 shut the fuck up,

07:29:09.600 honestly.

07:29:10.200 Shut the fuck up.

07:29:12.060 That's the first thing you said.

07:29:14.080 I'm glad you finally said something.

07:29:16.920 Why don't you just go home?

07:29:18.540 You suck his dick

07:29:19.480 the whole damn episode.

07:29:20.380 I mean,

07:29:20.880 loaves.

07:29:21.580 Wham.

07:29:22.520 I have a controversial opinion

07:29:24.040 and now I'm a pig.

07:29:24.820 No,

07:29:25.120 you don't,

07:29:25.620 girl.

07:29:25.860 You just,

07:29:26.420 you just ain't shit,

07:29:27.880 bitch.

07:29:28.280 That's a yellow card for you,

07:29:29.240 by the way.

07:29:30.360 Yeah.

07:29:32.040 Do you have more?

07:29:32.520 I'm kind of giving her

07:29:32.860 what she wants

07:29:33.640 by giving her a yellow card

07:29:34.800 because isn't that

07:29:35.320 no talking for five minutes?

07:29:36.680 Now she doesn't have to talk.

07:29:38.960 You got to reverse it.

07:29:40.120 Yeah.

07:29:40.240 She has to talk shit.

07:29:41.020 Do you have more?

07:29:43.060 How about you just talk shit

07:29:44.280 to her uninterrupted?

07:29:45.140 Is there a green card?

07:29:46.000 I mean,

07:29:46.460 hey,

07:29:46.740 it's obviously getting more

07:29:47.500 of a reaction

07:29:48.000 than your direct questions.

07:29:50.380 a green card.

07:29:53.640 If you want,

07:29:54.420 just put some in plates

07:29:55.460 for the guests.

07:29:57.040 How many,

07:29:57.440 do you know how many slices we have?

07:29:58.920 Do you have enough

07:29:59.380 for two slices per guest?

07:30:00.880 I'm sure we do.

07:30:02.300 She,

07:30:02.860 if she's just not going to talk,

07:30:05.160 you know,

07:30:05.460 part of the yellow card,

07:30:06.440 you don't get pizza.

07:30:08.280 That's exploitation.

07:30:09.520 You know what?

07:30:10.040 Give her one pepperoni.

07:30:11.700 Exploitation.

07:30:12.160 Give her one,

07:30:13.180 do you like pepperoni?

07:30:14.860 Maybe a few olives?

07:30:17.020 Do you want applesauce?

07:30:19.120 You're not yourself

07:30:20.060 when you're hungry.

07:30:21.740 I have that.

07:30:22.600 Do you want some applesauce?

07:30:23.900 Hey,

07:30:24.560 Natalie,

07:30:25.020 Natalie,

07:30:25.520 Natalie,

07:30:25.960 Natalie,

07:30:26.820 Natalie,

07:30:27.320 Natalie,

07:30:28.060 Natalie.

07:30:28.920 Natalie,

07:30:30.760 Natalie,

07:30:31.160 Natalie,

07:30:31.920 Natalie,

07:30:32.700 Natalie,

07:30:32.900 Natalie,

07:30:33.800 let me,

07:30:34.820 let me feed you,

07:30:35.920 girl.

07:30:36.180 I'm good.

07:30:36.560 Girl,

07:30:37.020 I'm good.

07:30:37.960 Let me,

07:30:39.400 let her go.

07:30:40.320 Girl,

07:30:40.660 let me,

07:30:40.860 girl,

07:30:42.440 let me get you like a,

07:30:46.860 no,

07:30:47.140 hold on,

07:30:47.440 I'm not kidding.

07:30:48.200 She almost cracked a smile.

07:30:49.600 She almost cracked a smile.

07:30:50.880 You're not yourself

07:30:51.520 when you're hungry.

07:30:52.200 I think she's going to lunge

07:30:53.220 across the table in a second.

07:30:55.200 Natalie,

07:30:55.620 can we get you something,

07:30:58.040 girl?

07:30:58.420 Can we get you an energy drink?

07:31:00.200 Can we get you,

07:31:01.040 can we get you applesauce?

07:31:03.880 You need alcohol?

07:31:04.660 You want more champagne?

07:31:05.800 I think what would make her feel better

07:31:06.860 would probably be like,

07:31:07.660 stop.

07:31:08.380 Like,

07:31:08.660 maybe everybody needs a laugh.

07:31:10.860 I just feel she's being stonewalling.

07:31:13.120 Like,

07:31:13.340 imagine,

07:31:13.820 you know,

07:31:14.320 I'm just,

07:31:14.820 I'm trying to say.

07:31:15.680 It's giving toxic boyfriend.

07:31:17.920 Toxic boyfriend?

07:31:18.720 It is.

07:31:19.520 Natalie,

07:31:20.180 like,

07:31:20.460 is this what you do in relationships,

07:31:22.200 Natalie?

07:31:23.420 Natalie.

07:31:23.740 She's in relationships.

07:31:25.500 Babe,

07:31:25.760 please,

07:31:26.280 respond.

07:31:26.440 Damn,

07:31:26.500 you can't be stonewalling me like this,

07:31:28.080 Natalie,

07:31:28.400 what the fuck?

07:31:30.500 Natalie has a two-hour drive home.

07:31:32.480 Ooh.

07:31:33.220 I got a one-hour.

07:31:34.020 All right,

07:31:34.340 well,

07:31:34.620 you know,

07:31:35.200 look,

07:31:35.520 we all can't be,

07:31:36.780 okay,

07:31:37.520 um,

07:31:37.960 oh,

07:31:39.280 you know what,

07:31:39.880 Natalie?

07:31:40.840 I accept,

07:31:42.200 I accept it.

07:31:44.120 I'm not mad.

07:31:46.240 I'm just disappointed.

07:31:48.660 No,

07:31:49.200 dad.

07:31:49.680 I'm not mad.

07:31:51.840 I'm just disappointed.

07:31:53.220 Okay,

07:31:53.680 um,

07:31:54.440 finishing off,

07:31:55.220 oh,

07:31:55.500 uh,

07:31:55.900 age,

07:31:56.200 you lost your virginity?

07:31:57.560 Did,

07:31:57.860 um,

07:31:59.900 I just don't want to disclose any sexual information.

07:32:03.140 Feel that?

07:32:03.900 Yeah,

07:32:04.160 I respect it.

07:32:05.320 I mean,

07:32:05.600 I,

07:32:05.740 I don't really want to either,

07:32:07.140 but I don't have an issue.

07:32:08.980 Um,

07:32:09.480 I was 17.

07:32:10.840 Yeah,

07:32:11.100 there's,

07:32:11.600 um,

07:32:11.860 there's nothing wrong there.

07:32:13.120 Um,

07:32:14.020 Selena,

07:32:14.760 do you want to answer the question?

07:32:18.900 Is she in the,

07:32:19.640 like,

07:32:19.780 the bathroom or something?

07:32:20.820 Okay,

07:32:21.260 whatever.

07:32:21.700 Um,

07:32:22.060 we can skip that then.

07:32:22.900 Probably not though.

07:32:23.500 Uh,

07:32:23.800 okay,

07:32:24.120 final things from the questionnaire here.

07:32:26.880 Uh,

07:32:27.400 okay.

07:32:29.140 Selene,

07:32:29.660 you say men should provide protect.

07:32:31.280 Men should be chivalrous.

07:32:32.780 Iffy on men should pay on first dates.

07:32:35.160 Uh,

07:32:35.740 iffy on husband should be willing to die protecting you,

07:32:38.240 take the bullet.

07:32:39.400 Uh,

07:32:39.760 you will,

07:32:41.180 iffy on,

07:32:41.800 if you're going to keep your last name,

07:32:43.440 I,

07:32:43.660 I don't know if there's nothing.

07:32:44.540 Are they ends next to the thing?

07:32:46.580 What's that?

07:32:46.920 Are they ends?

07:32:47.720 They kind of look like ends.

07:32:48.540 They're squiggly,

07:32:49.520 which I,

07:32:49.860 I guess just means maybe.

07:32:52.100 Well,

07:32:52.720 I'll go to Grace then.

07:32:54.240 Uh,

07:32:54.440 Grace,

07:32:54.820 you say men should pay on first dates.

07:32:56.560 Men should provide protect.

07:32:57.900 Men should be chivalrous.

07:32:58.960 I don't know.

07:32:59.460 I don't have like strict,

07:33:00.580 like,

07:33:01.380 opinions on all of these though.

07:33:02.540 I don't know.

07:33:02.780 I was kind of just like,

07:33:03.460 but like,

07:33:03.680 let's say,

07:33:04.120 uh,

07:33:04.460 you go on a date with a guy and he,

07:33:06.440 uh,

07:33:07.080 the,

07:33:07.440 you get dinner or whatever.

07:33:08.400 And he's like two checks when the waiter comes.

07:33:12.280 Um,

07:33:13.140 is that like an issue?

07:33:18.080 Around,

07:33:18.600 I guess.

07:33:19.000 Um,

07:33:19.460 I feel like it's kind of rare.

07:33:22.100 It's rude.

07:33:23.260 It's for the guy to not pay for the date.

07:33:25.080 I feel like it's rude for either party to do that.

07:33:27.840 Like the perfect size.

07:33:28.900 To say two checks?

07:33:30.020 Yeah.

07:33:31.000 Oh,

07:33:31.300 you mean like it's rude to the waiter?

07:33:33.560 No,

07:33:33.620 not rude.

07:33:34.280 I would say that like,

07:33:35.840 I like,

07:33:36.520 it would be nice,

07:33:37.160 like for both of us to offer.

07:33:38.800 Like I always offer to like,

07:33:40.820 but if the guy takes you up on your offer and you guys do split it,

07:33:44.400 will you feel the type of way?

07:33:46.080 I mean,

07:33:46.540 it depends.

07:33:46.900 I'm also like a lot of the guys that I've been on dates with are like my age,

07:33:49.840 college students that are like struggling with money.

07:33:51.560 So I get it.

07:33:52.420 Okay.

07:33:52.720 I see.

07:33:53.420 All right.

07:33:53.800 But I also love being paid for.

07:33:55.480 It's nice.

07:33:56.000 Cause I'm also a broke college student.

07:33:57.640 Uh,

07:33:57.900 Natalie,

07:33:58.440 men should pay on first dates.

07:34:00.140 Men should provide,

07:34:01.080 protect men should be chivalrous.

07:34:03.860 Yes.

07:34:05.120 Oh my God.

07:34:05.800 And that,

07:34:06.680 the five minutes is over.

07:34:07.800 you're going to keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.

07:34:14.520 Do you want it?

07:34:15.300 Yeah.

07:34:18.500 Wait,

07:34:18.940 sorry.

07:34:19.220 You said me?

07:34:19.900 No,

07:34:20.180 I'm talking to Natalie.

07:34:21.720 What are you doing,

07:34:22.680 Natalie?

07:34:24.140 Are you,

07:34:24.600 this isn't like controvert.

07:34:26.060 This is just like me.

07:34:27.140 Okay.

07:34:27.400 Can you just like leave her alone?

07:34:30.320 Well,

07:34:30.740 I think if you've been invited on like a podcast where you talk.

07:34:33.780 Well,

07:34:33.940 I mean,

07:34:34.280 it's been like eight hours.

07:34:35.940 Like how much longer are we going to stay?

07:34:37.800 You were yapping too much.

07:34:38.980 Oh,

07:34:39.060 come on.

07:34:40.340 So like,

07:34:40.880 how long do you think this is going to go?

07:34:42.540 I don't know.

07:34:43.020 We'll get this wrapped soon.

07:34:44.120 Like how long can I have like an estimate?

07:34:46.540 Probably 30 minutes.

07:34:47.460 Okay.

07:34:48.100 Well,

07:34:48.520 that's the goal,

07:34:49.240 but come on.

07:34:51.080 If I don't get down,

07:34:52.740 like if people just,

07:34:54.340 I get that you're tired or whatever,

07:34:55.980 but like it wastes time if I'm just like trying to pull,

07:35:01.060 like pull teeth.

07:35:01.940 I know,

07:35:02.180 but I think like this is,

07:35:03.660 it's,

07:35:03.900 it's get,

07:35:04.320 it's garnering to the point where like,

07:35:05.800 you know,

07:35:06.040 if we've been on here for like seven and a half hours and there's no like break,

07:35:09.840 there's no break.

07:35:11.660 Like it's not broke.

07:35:12.400 Okay.

07:35:12.620 But like,

07:35:12.940 you can get up.

07:35:14.060 You can get up at any time.

07:35:15.160 When does it get to the point of like,

07:35:16.480 this is exploitation?

07:35:17.720 You know what I mean?

07:35:18.540 Oh,

07:35:18.760 it was exploitation.

07:35:19.340 I bet everybody volunteered to be here.

07:35:21.280 Thank you.

07:35:22.460 It was exploitation at hour one.

07:35:24.460 Exploitation at hour one.

07:35:25.820 Thank you.

07:35:26.900 Can't we leave?

07:35:27.520 You've all been exploited.

07:35:29.280 Nobody's forcing us to stay here.

07:35:30.820 Not physically,

07:35:31.960 not legally.

07:35:32.500 This is how women use language to like try to paint something in the most unflattering,

07:35:37.580 uncharitable,

07:35:38.480 bad,

07:35:38.820 bad faith,

07:35:39.640 bad light way possible.

07:35:41.040 I mean,

07:35:41.440 what is it called when you literally like,

07:35:42.860 you know who are exploited?

07:35:44.100 Uh,

07:35:44.520 slaves,

07:35:45.320 not like somebody who's like in a,

07:35:48.000 like,

07:35:48.240 oh my God,

07:35:48.960 that's so crazy.

07:35:50.220 Exploitation.

07:35:50.840 You guys are all here willingly.

07:35:52.320 Nobody's being forced to do anything.

07:35:54.000 We're feeding you.

07:35:54.940 There's drinks,

07:35:55.700 there's champagne.

07:35:56.800 That's not,

07:35:57.540 come on.

07:35:57.860 That's crazy.

07:35:58.720 You guys are all here.

07:35:59.720 We're having,

07:36:00.140 it was a fun convo.

07:36:01.420 It was pretty lighthearted for the most part.

07:36:03.640 No fucking freak outs or anything.

07:36:05.280 That's crazy.

07:36:06.120 Exploitation.

07:36:06.700 Get the,

07:36:07.580 get out of here with that shit.

07:36:09.660 Okay.

07:36:09.960 So anyways,

07:36:10.560 I will love it.

07:36:12.080 Um,

07:36:12.480 all right.

07:36:14.200 So Natalie,

07:36:15.180 you're going to keep the fuck.

07:36:17.960 I don't speak Spanish.

07:36:18.720 Speak.

07:36:19.040 Can you speak English?

07:36:20.080 So I can understand.

07:36:21.440 Oh my God.

07:36:22.260 I can say,

07:36:22.900 what did this girl say?

07:36:23.900 She's,

07:36:24.400 uh,

07:36:25.060 you got a 20,

07:36:26.080 uh,

07:36:26.540 27 year old woman.

07:36:28.260 She doesn't claim any of the guys she's been with the longest consecutive period of time.

07:36:33.580 The longest consecutive period of time she's ever been with a guy in her 27 years of life is five months.

07:36:40.180 I can kind of start to see why that's the case.

07:36:42.900 If,

07:36:43.420 if this is how you're acting in front of cameras in 4k,

07:36:47.160 I can't imagine how you would act with your boyfriend.

07:36:50.680 It's completely ridiculous.

07:36:54.840 Continue the stone wall.

07:36:55.860 By the way,

07:36:56.600 stone walling is like a really terrible tactic to do.

07:37:00.160 Is this what you do?

07:37:01.420 Oh my God.

07:37:01.840 She's not even going to give me an answer.

07:37:03.720 Congratulations on your stone wall.

07:37:05.240 Real mature.

07:37:05.960 Are you really 20?

07:37:06.740 Like what?

07:37:08.020 Okay.

07:37:09.160 That's crazy.

07:37:10.760 Completely disrespectful.

07:37:12.340 You guys and the girls here might be like,

07:37:14.120 wow,

07:37:14.340 Brian's being really harsh.

07:37:16.800 Agreeing to come on a podcast where you're going to discuss things and she's going to throw a temper tantrum and do this little,

07:37:22.940 uh,

07:37:24.420 like it's,

07:37:25.480 it's completely childish to completely shut down like this.

07:37:29.080 We've offered her.

07:37:30.820 Okay.

07:37:31.320 Whatever.

07:37:31.660 It's obviously frustrating,

07:37:34.720 but whatever.

07:37:35.660 Um,

07:37:37.020 okay.

07:37:37.740 Uh,

07:37:38.080 Selena,

07:37:38.540 you say men should pay on first dates.

07:37:40.040 Men should provide,

07:37:40.720 protect men should be chivalrous,

07:37:42.220 but you are going to keep your last name.

07:37:46.280 Oh my God.

07:37:48.020 This is,

07:37:48.440 you want to know why the wage gap exists?

07:37:50.360 By the way,

07:37:50.660 the wage gap doesn't exist is because you guys are in a comfortable,

07:37:54.200 uh,

07:37:55.440 studio.

07:37:56.040 You guys are in a comfortable studio and this girl's fucking,

07:37:59.600 Oh my God.

07:38:01.780 I have to put in a,

07:38:03.000 a work day.

07:38:04.660 I have to work for six,

07:38:06.460 seven,

07:38:06.660 eight hours.

07:38:08.300 Uh,

07:38:08.940 every,

07:38:09.300 okay.

07:38:09.520 Everybody else does it kind of weird or whatever.

07:38:12.260 Um,

07:38:13.720 it's just weird,

07:38:14.420 man.

07:38:14.660 It's fucking stonewalling.

07:38:15.940 It's pouty.

07:38:16.520 It's ridiculous.

07:38:19.560 And if she just participate,

07:38:21.000 like it's wasting time too.

07:38:22.420 If her goal is to get out of here,

07:38:24.320 just give me the answer.

07:38:25.820 Don't do,

07:38:26.500 put on this act.

07:38:27.380 That's forcing me to waste more time.

07:38:29.680 Whatever.

07:38:30.020 I'll move it on.

07:38:30.700 I only got to wonder who the performance is for.

07:38:33.160 Yeah.

07:38:33.660 White girl.

07:38:35.740 Selena,

07:38:36.560 men should pay on first dates.

07:38:37.840 Men should provide,

07:38:38.520 protect men should be chivalrous.

07:38:40.760 Hold on.

07:38:41.460 Sorry.

07:38:41.760 I'm just curious.

07:38:42.700 Yeah.

07:38:42.820 Listen to me right now.

07:38:44.160 Uh,

07:38:45.200 but you're going to keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.

07:38:47.740 So do you want to get married?

07:38:50.480 Um,

07:38:51.300 if like the right person comes along,

07:38:53.320 sure.

07:38:55.140 Okay.

07:38:56.160 Um,

07:38:56.480 I guess my question to you is it seems like you want a man to fall more so

07:39:01.380 into his traditional gender roles,

07:39:03.120 pay on first dates,

07:39:04.320 provide,

07:39:04.740 protect,

07:39:05.460 be chivalrous.

07:39:07.900 Why aren't you like,

07:39:09.400 I guess,

07:39:09.920 how do you want first,

07:39:11.340 how do you reconcile being a feminist,

07:39:14.040 but also holding men to traditional gender roles?

07:39:16.980 I don't,

07:39:19.700 I mean,

07:39:20.040 I expect them,

07:39:20.940 I would say I expect them to protect.

07:39:23.940 Wait,

07:39:24.320 can you just straighten your mic and fix it?

07:39:26.400 Sure.

07:39:27.140 Okay.

07:39:27.960 Provide as well to a certain degree,

07:39:30.320 but when it comes to like traditional gender roles,

07:39:39.800 which is the man is providing and the woman,

07:39:41.600 the woman is staying home,

07:39:44.540 I personally would be providing as well.

07:39:49.220 Right.

07:39:49.720 But I mean,

07:39:50.100 in regards to certainly these things,

07:39:52.480 you affirmatively said men should be chivalrous.

07:39:55.420 Men should pay on first dates.

07:39:56.540 I watched one of your Tik TOK videos.

07:39:58.340 You said 50,

07:39:59.360 50 is bullshit.

07:40:00.280 The man should pay for everything.

07:40:01.860 Um,

07:40:02.420 that seems to fall more so in line,

07:40:04.480 less with feminism and more with like a more traditional gender dynamic.

07:40:08.520 You're clearly anti-patriarchy.

07:40:10.280 You might even be like getting into misandry territory.

07:40:14.680 Perhaps that actually makes sense then.

07:40:17.080 Why?

07:40:18.000 Well,

07:40:18.440 I mean,

07:40:18.780 essentially it's like,

07:40:19.880 well,

07:40:21.500 you dislike men so much.

07:40:22.840 What else are they good for them to be a wallet for you?

07:40:25.380 In any case,

07:40:26.220 I saw your video.

07:40:27.140 You're against 50,

07:40:27.940 50.

07:40:28.840 Okay.

07:40:29.360 Thank you.

07:40:29.820 Right.

07:40:30.080 Is that,

07:40:30.560 is that correct?

07:40:31.380 You're against 50,

07:40:32.180 50.

07:40:32.460 The man should pay for not just the first date,

07:40:34.720 second date,

07:40:35.060 like,

07:40:35.320 et cetera,

07:40:35.800 et cetera.

07:40:37.040 Why,

07:40:37.440 how can you call yourself a feminist?

07:40:40.100 How you,

07:40:40.580 can you be in favor of equality?

07:40:42.080 How do you reconcile that with holding men to their traditional gender roles?

07:40:46.900 This would seem to like uphold the patriarchy,

07:40:49.380 which your claim to be against.

07:40:53.880 So.

07:40:54.400 what I have to say to that is I think that when it comes to relation,

07:41:04.880 having a relationship with a man,

07:41:07.320 it benefits the man more than it does the woman,

07:41:09.900 the woman,

07:41:10.460 the woman that he's with.

07:41:11.680 So that is to when men are paying,

07:41:17.200 I think it kind of alleviates that gap.

07:41:21.160 Do all relationships benefit the men more than the woman?

07:41:25.120 I would say most relationships when men are with a woman,

07:41:31.220 it benefits the man more than it does the woman.

07:41:34.600 70%,

07:41:35.200 80%,

07:41:35.720 90% of relationships.

07:41:36.860 I'd say 80%.

07:41:38.080 80%.

07:41:38.780 Okay.

07:41:40.500 Uh,

07:41:40.980 that's kind of interesting.

07:41:42.020 In that case,

07:41:42.640 what are the benefits?

07:41:44.360 I don't know if I want to go down that,

07:41:45.880 but,

07:41:46.240 um,

07:41:48.120 so I understand maybe if,

07:41:49.800 even if it is the case that men do benefit more in relationships,

07:41:53.760 which I think is a bit dubious.

07:41:55.620 No,

07:41:56.020 they do.

07:41:57.100 Well,

07:41:57.700 I can contest this.

07:41:59.640 Why would this,

07:42:00.940 even if this was the case though,

07:42:02.660 why would this warrant?

07:42:05.300 Like,

07:42:05.560 why would this warrant you deviating from feminism and equality?

07:42:09.820 So men,

07:42:11.300 traditional gender roles for men,

07:42:14.080 modernity for women.

07:42:15.300 Okay.

07:42:15.520 That's not,

07:42:16.360 that's not necessarily the truth because I would be fine to pay for my own stuff.

07:42:24.200 I do pay for my own stuff.

07:42:26.580 Majority of the time.

07:42:27.680 And why do you advocate for women not doing 50-50?

07:42:30.940 Okay.

07:42:31.380 So what I,

07:42:34.420 what I personally believe is that I find it more attractive when a man does pay.

07:42:41.740 And I think most women would agree.

07:42:45.520 And so for me,

07:42:46.940 that is why I expect,

07:42:50.280 or I would desire a man to pay.

07:42:53.040 So despite,

07:42:54.460 so I,

07:42:55.740 I don't think women are beholden to like their base,

07:42:59.680 like base level,

07:43:01.760 like Evo psych biological drives.

07:43:06.100 So yeah,

07:43:06.720 provide,

07:43:07.020 provide,

07:43:07.040 provide,

07:43:07.100 protect.

07:43:07.640 That's going to just be like baseline appealing for like the vast majority of women.

07:43:13.440 You're not beholden to that though.

07:43:15.480 So like what I guess is preventing you from dating a guy who maybe he wants 50-50 on providing and protecting,

07:43:22.660 and he wants to go 50-50 on first dates.

07:43:25.360 I mean,

07:43:28.240 I personally think that if I am in a relationship with that guy,

07:43:33.000 the benefits of being in a relationship for him would be much higher than for me.

07:43:41.200 And so I personally would not care to be in that relationship.

07:43:46.160 So is your,

07:43:46.780 is your claim that,

07:43:48.100 sorry,

07:43:49.160 just one moment.

07:43:50.020 So is your claim that not only do men solely benefit from relationships with women,

07:43:55.400 but simply a woman's presence benefits his life and betters it?

07:44:00.060 Is that your claim?

07:44:01.200 Yeah.

07:44:01.380 I think that with that logic that men don't actually have to invest in marriage to reap those benefits.

07:44:07.540 He would just need a pretty lady around in a pocket full of money.

07:44:12.300 How do you think he's getting that pretty lady around?

07:44:15.280 Probably because he has money and he's a value.

07:44:18.660 Probably because many women are chasing him.

07:44:21.860 Okay.

07:44:23.340 I'm just saying with that,

07:44:24.640 with that logic,

07:44:25.560 I could deduce that men don't actually need to invest in a real relationship with you to benefit what you think is.

07:44:31.380 that they are going to benefit from.

07:44:33.020 Okay.

07:44:33.360 Sure.

07:44:33.920 I,

07:44:34.160 I could personally argue that,

07:44:36.180 um,

07:44:37.220 men benefit more in marriage than relationships.

07:44:42.280 Cause when you're a girlfriend,

07:44:43.740 you're not really supposed to be doing all that stuff.

07:44:46.260 And if you are,

07:44:46.900 that's on you.

07:44:47.720 I feel like,

07:44:48.360 I think you're,

07:44:49.000 pull up about video.

07:44:50.960 Let's do away with all this.

07:44:52.720 Let's do it.

07:44:53.360 I don't mean to interrupt you,

07:44:54.900 but,

07:44:55.180 um,

07:44:56.040 well,

07:44:56.720 what specifically are we talking about?

07:44:58.020 Cause I'm talking more of like wifely duties.

07:45:00.420 What were you going to say?

07:45:02.040 Yeah.

07:45:02.440 Yeah.

07:45:02.560 No,

07:45:02.700 I love this.

07:45:03.300 I love this.

07:45:03.980 So I think that yes,

07:45:07.960 women should absolutely do be doing the wifey shit as soon as possible.

07:45:13.240 They should be doing all that shit as soon as possible.

07:45:16.880 Maybe it doesn't have to be the first date,

07:45:18.640 but I think that should come quick.

07:45:20.200 Well,

07:45:20.340 I guess the expectation here is if you expect men to do the husbandly duties.

07:45:26.400 And so like a manifestation of that would be a,

07:45:29.920 well,

07:45:30.180 manifestation of providing would be to pay on dates,

07:45:32.780 pay on first,

07:45:33.340 second,

07:45:33.560 third dates.

07:45:34.860 I wouldn't consider that a husband duty.

07:45:36.960 Well,

07:45:37.440 hold on.

07:45:37.780 If it's an extension of providing,

07:45:39.760 like why can't,

07:45:41.620 in terms of women's preference for men paying on first dates,

07:45:45.200 why can't men just do the uno reverse or reverse,

07:45:48.920 you know,

07:45:49.160 whatever it is and say,

07:45:50.720 hold on.

07:45:51.780 you know how like women will say,

07:45:53.420 Oh,

07:45:55.220 you want me to cook and to clean and to take care of the household or whatever.

07:45:59.140 I'm not your mom.

07:46:01.880 What's stopping men from then saying,

07:46:03.840 okay,

07:46:04.020 you want to play this game?

07:46:05.860 I'm not your dad.

07:46:08.040 I'm never going to protect you.

07:46:09.880 I'm never going to provide for you.

07:46:11.700 I'm never going to pay for you.

07:46:13.380 So on one hand,

07:46:16.280 women expect men to do the husband,

07:46:18.200 some of the,

07:46:18.960 at least husbandly shit right away.

07:46:22.360 Okay.

07:46:22.940 I can actually,

07:46:23.760 I can agree with that.

07:46:24.520 And so I guess,

07:46:26.600 but anytime we say women should do the wifey things,

07:46:31.100 I'm not your mom.

07:46:33.240 In fact,

07:46:33.900 even wives,

07:46:34.980 even wives are saying,

07:46:36.400 I'm not your mom.

07:46:37.880 I think that sentiment is more in regards to men that are just,

07:46:43.640 are not providing emotionally.

07:46:47.120 And I think that,

07:46:48.360 yeah,

07:46:48.760 if you're bringing money to the table,

07:46:50.660 laundry done,

07:46:52.360 dinner done,

07:46:53.320 but if you still need to show up in other ways.

07:46:57.200 Well,

07:46:57.700 I think both,

07:46:58.220 both men and women need to show up,

07:47:00.480 but I just think it's interesting that it's,

07:47:03.260 there's no problems saying that men should women always say men should,

07:47:12.740 but there's a lot of pushback when men say women should like you,

07:47:18.820 you might say,

07:47:19.600 well,

07:47:19.980 uh,

07:47:20.740 men should be able to do this.

07:47:22.220 Men should be able to do that.

07:47:23.900 But if we say women should do this,

07:47:28.340 women,

07:47:28.840 men should be,

07:47:30.040 take initiative.

07:47:30.920 Men should be leaders.

07:47:32.440 Men should be XYZ,

07:47:33.800 whatever.

07:47:34.600 But if men say women should be submissive,

07:47:37.280 women should be followers.

07:47:40.320 Women should cook.

07:47:41.300 Women should clean.

07:47:42.300 That's sexist.

07:47:43.980 But when women say like,

07:47:46.080 so I don't know if any of you responded to like men should,

07:47:48.360 husband should die.

07:47:50.400 Grace,

07:47:51.080 husband should be willing to die protecting you.

07:47:52.960 Take the bullet.

07:47:54.760 Women.

07:47:55.120 I mean,

07:47:55.280 I like would want,

07:47:57.340 I would assume that the person that I was,

07:47:59.400 if I had a husband,

07:48:00.020 like I would die for them too.

07:48:01.620 So it goes both ways.

07:48:03.540 So I,

07:48:03.740 I get that.

07:48:04.460 And that's a fair thing to say.

07:48:05.800 However,

07:48:06.320 I guess the framework that I would put this in is as a woman,

07:48:11.700 if you lack that willingness or you,

07:48:15.900 for example,

07:48:16.260 in a situation where you were to display cowardice,

07:48:19.740 like let's say you ran away from like you were,

07:48:23.200 you were scared or it could even be something as simple as like a spider.

07:48:26.860 You see a spider.

07:48:28.860 Oh my God,

07:48:29.640 spider.

07:48:30.060 You see a rat.

07:48:31.160 You see a mouse.

07:48:32.080 Oh my God,

07:48:32.820 mouse rat.

07:48:34.520 A man,

07:48:35.400 if you act scared or you're a cat acts like a coward or whatever,

07:48:40.720 men aren't going to lose attraction for you for that.

07:48:43.400 But as a man,

07:48:45.100 if a man acts scared towards a spider,

07:48:47.280 towards a rat,

07:48:48.040 towards a mouse,

07:48:48.720 or if he's a coward,

07:48:50.780 he displays cowardice.

07:48:52.640 He doesn't protect you.

07:48:54.580 You're going to have a negative assessment of him.

07:48:58.760 You're going to have a negative assessment of him.

07:49:01.420 So.

07:49:02.640 I don't think,

07:49:03.260 we talked about this earlier.

07:49:04.040 I don't know if you were at the table when we talked about it,

07:49:06.680 but we were talking for a second about like,

07:49:08.460 if a guy like screamed at a mouse or something.

07:49:10.820 Yeah.

07:49:11.020 I'd be like,

07:49:11.440 oh,

07:49:11.520 that's like kind of humanizes them a little bit.

07:49:13.180 And it's like kind of funny.

07:49:15.340 But like,

07:49:16.220 if they weren't willing to take a bullet for me,

07:49:17.900 then that becomes a problem.

07:49:19.300 But like being scared of like a spider or something is like,

07:49:21.480 I don't really care.

07:49:22.800 Okay.

07:49:23.000 But in terms of,

07:49:24.340 sure,

07:49:24.480 maybe that's like trivial to you,

07:49:26.980 but in terms of like a situation,

07:49:30.480 like,

07:49:30.680 okay,

07:49:31.240 your man on a run,

07:49:33.400 like in a situation where it's maybe life or limb or something,

07:49:36.480 and he runs away like a coward instead of like,

07:49:41.740 maybe standing by your side or whatever,

07:49:43.660 there would be like,

07:49:44.500 for most women,

07:49:45.320 I don't know about the case for you.

07:49:46.420 There would be like really,

07:49:48.320 really massive,

07:49:49.260 probably really massive negative consequences there.

07:49:52.460 Most women are going to lose attraction.

07:49:54.320 That's going to be a major issue.

07:49:55.820 Whereas like if my girlfriend,

07:49:57.600 if like,

07:49:58.560 I don't know,

07:49:58.960 some shit goes down and she screams and runs away and hides and she's

07:50:03.600 scared.

07:50:04.560 I don't lose attraction for her.

07:50:06.480 Like I don't,

07:50:07.260 because I don't look to women to be protectors.

07:50:09.920 Women look to men to be protectors.

07:50:11.180 Can I ask you a question then?

07:50:12.140 Sure.

07:50:12.580 So if like some guy is,

07:50:15.260 or some girl is coming up to you and it's like slaps you and like your

07:50:18.660 girlfriend's standing next to you and like runs away,

07:50:21.240 like you're going to be like pissed about that,

07:50:23.160 right?

07:50:23.660 If a girl walks up to me and slaps me and my girl doesn't do anything,

07:50:29.860 like I,

07:50:30.280 I wouldn't care.

07:50:33.100 Like I wouldn't,

07:50:33.580 I wouldn't lose attraction for her.

07:50:36.360 It's a question of like loyalty versus like cowardice.

07:50:37.640 Well,

07:50:37.740 I wouldn't lose attraction for her,

07:50:39.280 but I would also understand if she was like,

07:50:41.180 fuck you bitch.

07:50:42.040 Like,

07:50:42.460 right.

07:50:42.800 I wouldn't,

07:50:43.280 right.

07:50:43.640 I wouldn't be surprised,

07:50:44.700 I guess.

07:50:45.500 Although I think,

07:50:46.260 uh,

07:50:46.640 I don't know if I really of the women I date,

07:50:49.380 I think most of them would just be like,

07:50:50.740 wow,

07:50:50.940 that's really weird.

07:50:52.640 Let's leave this situation.

07:50:54.200 Yeah.

07:50:54.480 I don't know.

07:50:55.120 I feel like a lot of guys wouldn't try and put their girl in the middle of

07:50:57.360 conflict either.

07:50:58.380 I think best case scenario,

07:50:59.740 they would try to get her out of that situation.

07:51:01.620 I would probably just,

07:51:02.560 I think like running away from like your side.

07:51:05.040 And like,

07:51:05.520 if you,

07:51:05.980 if something's facing you,

07:51:07.840 that's like scary and somebody like leaving your side,

07:51:09.980 I think that's a different question.

07:51:10.960 Like that brings up like a loyalty thing and like having your back versus like

07:51:13.820 being scared of like a spider or mouse.

07:51:15.280 I think it's like a completely different topic.

07:51:16.480 Let's do the bow video,

07:51:17.480 Nick.

07:51:17.700 Can you pull up the bow video?

07:51:19.020 They're going to love this.

07:51:21.100 All right.

07:51:21.820 Uh,

07:51:22.060 this is,

07:51:22.380 this is,

07:51:23.460 uh,

07:51:23.560 my ex-girlfriend.

07:51:25.260 I show this video as like a tutorial to future girlfriends.

07:51:28.660 So they know what to do.

07:51:30.420 All right,

07:51:30.920 go ahead.

07:51:31.240 Play it.

07:51:33.480 Huge bow.

07:51:34.260 You see the bow.

07:51:34.940 I expect to bow when I come home.

07:51:36.740 She needs to bow.

07:51:38.220 Oh my God.

07:51:38.720 It's a show of respect.

07:51:40.420 And then look,

07:51:41.200 you know,

07:51:41.480 this was after a long podcast day.

07:51:43.380 So I,

07:51:43.640 you know,

07:51:43.940 I,

07:51:44.220 she's doing the laundry.

07:51:45.860 Dinner ready.

07:51:46.780 I get home dinner ready.

07:51:48.500 She greeted me with a smile,

07:51:49.540 by the way,

07:51:49.960 greeted me with a smile about cracks open my beer.

07:51:54.060 And then my,

07:51:55.240 the dinner's ready.

07:51:56.800 And,

07:51:57.240 uh,

07:51:57.580 yeah,

07:51:58.100 you know,

07:51:58.480 this is not you.

07:52:00.020 What are you talking about?

07:52:01.680 Uh,

07:52:02.100 let's do,

07:52:03.460 uh,

07:52:03.660 ready,

07:52:03.940 Nick,

07:52:04.220 play it again.

07:52:04.820 Just the bow.

07:52:06.860 Boom.

07:52:07.260 You see the depth,

07:52:08.400 big smile,

07:52:09.420 submissive hand posture.

07:52:10.920 I,

07:52:11.380 when I come home,

07:52:12.260 I need a bow.

07:52:13.520 So I need to depart.

07:52:16.480 Unfortunately,

07:52:17.040 we are almost,

07:52:18.360 we need,

07:52:18.800 we got to finish a few.

07:52:19.840 You need to give me like a time because my ride is about to leave.

07:52:23.940 Well,

07:52:24.120 let's blast through some things then.

07:52:25.620 Okay.

07:52:25.820 Can I get like a time?

07:52:27.920 Uh,

07:52:28.440 like,

07:52:28.700 like 10 minutes,

07:52:29.560 20 minutes,

07:52:30.120 25,

07:52:30.860 25 minutes.

07:52:31.920 No,

07:52:32.360 I,

07:52:32.840 this has gone way past the scheduled time.

07:52:35.540 You were,

07:52:36.380 you,

07:52:37.060 a lot of times,

07:52:37.800 you said it was going to end,

07:52:39.160 you know,

07:52:39.600 when you said it was going to end,

07:52:40.700 how long,

07:52:41.480 how long,

07:52:41.600 when people stonewall,

07:52:42.200 when people stonewall,

07:52:42.940 it's not the stonewalling that.

07:52:44.560 That's the issue.

07:52:45.260 That's not the issue.

07:52:46.200 I think,

07:52:46.560 I think,

07:52:46.660 okay.

07:52:47.160 So now that this conversation is extending things,

07:52:50.640 I don't,

07:52:51.100 I'm sorry,

07:52:51.620 I need to leave.

07:52:52.800 Okay,

07:52:53.260 look,

07:52:53.460 so part of you do,

07:52:55.960 you'd also do need to respect my time and the time that you told me I was going to be on this podcast.

07:53:01.240 Right.

07:53:01.600 So I,

07:53:02.200 I do have a flight later,

07:53:04.240 a little bit later,

07:53:05.900 may go later,

07:53:06.600 may go.

07:53:07.060 So not that you never said it was going to go two hours later,

07:53:09.820 right?

07:53:10.360 May go later.

07:53:11.060 So let me go later.

07:53:12.000 Isn't two hours.

07:53:13.260 So I do need to go home.

07:53:15.620 Okay.

07:53:15.840 So you,

07:53:16.320 can you do,

07:53:16.920 you said what?

07:53:17.800 20 minutes.

07:53:18.420 Let's do 20 minutes.

07:53:19.120 Can we do 15?

07:53:20.140 Let's do 19 and a half.

07:53:23.460 We love you,

07:53:24.420 Selena.

07:53:24.700 Can we please do 15?

07:53:26.420 Guys,

07:53:26.800 I'm trying to wrap up.

07:53:27.680 I mean,

07:53:28.000 I mean,

07:53:28.360 no,

07:53:28.900 no,

07:53:29.200 it's not fair.

07:53:30.280 It's also not fair for our time.

07:53:33.200 I have an 8am.

07:53:34.120 Okay.

07:53:34.340 We're going to do fine.

07:53:35.400 Whatever.

07:53:35.720 We're do 15.

07:53:36.620 We'll do a,

07:53:37.380 it's one Oh one AM.

07:53:38.360 Now we're going to do one 16.

07:53:40.040 And you said this was going to end at 11.

07:53:42.200 Like,

07:53:42.460 do you see how that's not fair?

07:53:43.780 It did say that it may go on.

07:53:45.440 Yeah.

07:53:45.720 It said 11 may go longer.

07:53:47.380 Right.

07:53:47.660 But that's not true.

07:53:49.080 Okay.

07:53:49.300 I agreed to the 15.

07:53:50.420 Let me move it on because this,

07:53:51.960 the conversation about the length of time or whatever is meta and boring.

07:53:57.160 Okay.

07:53:57.200 Well,

07:53:57.380 it's disrespectful to my time,

07:53:58.820 but okay.

07:53:59.460 Okay.

07:53:59.780 Well,

07:54:00.060 I think you've said plenty of disrespectful things today.

07:54:02.340 I think you're a misandrist.

07:54:03.740 Okay.

07:54:03.960 You can think whatever you want.

07:54:05.520 Well,

07:54:05.940 I'm,

07:54:06.280 I happen to be right in any case.

07:54:07.580 Okay.

07:54:07.700 Well,

07:54:07.840 I think you're a dick.

07:54:09.560 Okay.

07:54:09.960 For having polite,

07:54:11.340 respectful.

07:54:11.660 You're not polite.

07:54:12.520 You've clearly upset one of your guests and you're literally doing nothing to reconcile.

07:54:16.520 What is there to reconcile?

07:54:18.500 So just to be clear,

07:54:19.720 this is,

07:54:20.040 so you invited someone onto your podcast and they are clearly upset.

07:54:25.040 And now,

07:54:25.440 yes,

07:54:25.780 she's upset.

07:54:26.500 And she displayed massive amounts of rudeness and disrespect to me in the platform.

07:54:32.540 Okay.

07:54:32.960 How is that disrespectful?

07:54:34.500 I'm not responsible.

07:54:35.340 If somebody just decides to cry,

07:54:38.140 that's not necessarily a reflection.

07:54:40.200 I mean,

07:54:40.500 it kind of is.

07:54:41.740 You would think that you would kind of,

07:54:42.860 if I started crying when she was being rude earlier,

07:54:45.300 is that my fault or is it her fault?

07:54:47.760 If you were crying,

07:54:49.000 I would check up on you and make sure that you were okay.

07:54:51.920 Especially if you were a guest that I invited.

07:54:54.300 Women cry over keeping up with the Kardashians.

07:54:57.220 Who's to say that this is like a real,

07:54:59.240 like,

07:54:59.580 what is her grievance?

07:55:01.160 What's her grievance?

07:55:02.160 You were very rude.

07:55:02.820 That she's tired?

07:55:03.480 No,

07:55:03.880 you're rude.

07:55:04.000 She was really rude to me.

07:55:05.740 She was really rude to me.

07:55:06.560 How was she rude to you?

07:55:07.580 And I matched her energy.

07:55:08.520 She was stonewalling?

07:55:09.560 I haven't said anything to you.

07:55:10.060 Yes,

07:55:10.320 you have.

07:55:10.860 You said some,

07:55:11.420 you muttered some shit in Spanish.

07:55:13.120 I haven't said anything to you.

07:55:13.460 You muttered some shit in Spanish.

07:55:14.860 You were talking shit.

07:55:16.240 No,

07:55:16.520 I didn't.

07:55:16.820 But in addition to that,

07:55:18.240 that's an assumption.

07:55:19.240 Look,

07:55:19.500 I actually want to get into some actual content.

07:55:22.160 I don't want to have the meta conversation about the fact that she's teary-eyed.

07:55:25.480 I mean,

07:55:25.860 I'm just saying that that's quite disrespectful.

07:55:28.200 If you're inviting someone onto your podcast as a guest.

07:55:31.200 I don't need to.

07:55:32.100 What podcast do you think we're on?

07:55:33.160 Hold on.

07:55:33.500 I don't need to.

07:55:35.240 The sensitive podcast?

07:55:36.540 What's the word for it?

07:55:37.480 Please stop.

07:55:38.320 No.

07:55:39.280 I don't know if you used the word sensitive,

07:55:40.880 but.

07:55:42.080 Well,

07:55:42.300 the first time somebody ever told you,

07:55:43.840 you know,

07:55:44.040 you looked really surprised.

07:55:45.160 It's not my job to appease people on the show.

07:55:48.920 Yeah.

07:55:49.080 It's an individual's responsibility.

07:55:50.660 I'm not here to coddle her.

07:55:52.420 I'm not here to coddle her.

07:55:53.660 It's not necessarily coddling.

07:55:55.520 I mean.

07:55:55.880 It is coddling.

07:55:56.380 You want me to coddle her?

07:55:57.300 No,

07:55:57.580 I want you to check up on a guest.

07:55:59.440 And also,

07:55:59.900 I mean,

07:56:00.300 we did go.

07:56:01.100 Why don't you guys just stop talking about me?

07:56:02.340 Yeah.

07:56:02.880 Let me actually.

07:56:03.760 I don't want to talk about her crying.

07:56:05.560 I want to finish it.

07:56:06.680 We have like.

07:56:07.240 Okay.

07:56:07.640 11 minutes.

07:56:08.480 Let's blast through some shit.

07:56:10.200 All right.

07:56:11.340 Okay.

07:56:11.700 I'm going to blast through your notes,

07:56:13.080 Selena.

07:56:13.480 So,

07:56:14.140 you said men are not the prize.

07:56:16.820 Yeah.

07:56:17.580 Okay.

07:56:19.140 I think.

07:56:20.220 I think that they're.

07:56:21.520 Well,

07:56:21.820 whatever.

07:56:22.140 I'm not going to even engage there.

07:56:23.880 Um,

07:56:25.240 you say women are better than men.

07:56:27.220 Yes.

07:56:28.320 In your own words though.

07:56:29.600 How would you describe that?

07:56:31.180 Is it?

07:56:31.640 I mean,

07:56:31.920 do you want to just repeat that?

07:56:33.640 So.

07:56:35.000 Are women better than men?

07:56:37.340 Can I,

07:56:38.080 can I finish?

07:56:39.100 Well,

07:56:39.300 just answer the question.

07:56:40.180 Then.

07:56:40.340 Yes.

07:56:40.740 I answered the question.

07:56:42.140 Yes.

07:56:42.840 Okay.

07:56:43.600 How is that non-sexist?

07:56:45.200 Women are better than men in many ways.

07:56:48.020 Um,

07:56:48.780 scientifically speaking.

07:56:49.880 I don't care.

07:56:50.380 Honestly,

07:56:50.740 I don't care.

07:56:51.740 Scientifically speaking.

07:56:52.620 I was about to,

07:56:53.580 I was about to finish my point.

07:56:54.920 Okay.

07:56:55.200 You know what?

07:56:55.800 Go ahead.

07:56:57.660 Scientifically speaking,

07:56:59.300 men's frontal lobe is less developed than a woman's.

07:57:04.120 And hold on.

07:57:05.320 This makes women better.

07:57:06.880 This is a,

07:57:07.620 this.

07:57:08.020 If,

07:57:08.320 if they are capable of more.

07:57:10.500 Going backwards.

07:57:12.060 Complex thinking.

07:57:14.580 Yeah.

07:57:15.740 So people.

07:57:17.380 Wait.

07:57:17.820 So the moral worth that you place on a human being.

07:57:21.320 Let's go ahead and grant a grant that you,

07:57:23.520 so you think women are more intelligent than men.

07:57:25.780 If they have a more developed frontal.

07:57:27.700 So moral worth is determined by one's intelligence.

07:57:30.960 So why don't you just unalive people who have like really low IQ?

07:57:37.780 Why don't you just unalive?

07:57:38.640 Where did this go into unalive?

07:57:40.280 Yeah,

07:57:40.720 it's literally fucking eugenics.

07:57:43.020 What?

07:57:44.260 Do you see how that doesn't make,

07:57:45.580 do you see how you're taking one thing and then you're placing it on another thing and

07:57:49.060 you're thinking that it's.

07:57:49.800 Women are better than men.

07:57:51.000 You said women are better than men.

07:57:52.800 Yeah,

07:57:53.140 I agree.

07:57:53.700 And you're pointing to this.

07:57:55.180 That doesn't.

07:57:55.680 Allegedly.

07:57:55.760 So now it's getting into,

07:57:57.260 oh,

07:57:57.460 you want to unalive men.

07:57:58.600 You want to do this.

07:57:59.240 You want to do that.

07:57:59.800 Okay,

07:58:00.320 sure.

07:58:01.060 You did have to pause when I asked you.

07:58:03.600 Oh,

07:58:04.020 oh,

07:58:04.180 now we're talking about pauses.

07:58:05.600 Okay,

07:58:05.800 let's talk about the numerous times you've needed to pause and think.

07:58:09.200 Hold on.

07:58:09.540 It's not about the pause.

07:58:10.380 And the numerous.

07:58:11.320 If,

07:58:11.660 if you ask me,

07:58:12.820 hey,

07:58:13.100 Brian,

07:58:13.440 do you,

07:58:14.200 uh,

07:58:14.580 if you could,

07:58:15.800 would you like unalive an entire gender?

07:58:17.380 I wonder why I needed to think.

07:58:19.140 I mean,

07:58:19.940 okay,

07:58:20.380 so I wonder why I needed to think.

07:58:22.020 Instant no.

07:58:22.660 Uh,

07:58:23.040 I wonder why I needed to think.

07:58:24.820 Maybe it's because.

07:58:26.420 I wonder why I needed to think.

07:58:27.900 Maybe it's because we've been on this set for eight hours.

07:58:30.460 I haven't had one break.

07:58:31.760 And then you've kept me for two hours longer.

07:58:33.800 You've gotten up multiple times.

07:58:35.120 For five seconds.

07:58:36.280 For multiple minutes.

07:58:37.260 For five seconds.

07:58:37.700 That's secondary though.

07:58:38.740 Sure.

07:58:38.920 What does that have to do with.

07:58:39.720 That has to do with,

07:58:40.500 I wonder why I'm needing to think.

07:58:41.940 Oh my God.

07:58:42.300 Maybe I need to process because I've been up all day.

07:58:44.760 That conversation was super at the beginning of the podcast.

07:58:47.340 Okay.

07:58:47.900 I've been up all day,

07:58:48.820 but okay,

07:58:49.560 sure.

07:58:49.780 So I need time to think.

07:58:51.300 That's crazy.

07:58:51.780 Oh God forbid a woman thinks.

07:58:54.740 Oh my God.

07:58:55.200 God forbid a woman thinks.

07:58:57.800 No,

07:58:58.220 it's not about the fact that it should,

07:58:59.860 it should be.

07:59:00.940 Okay.

07:59:01.220 Don't.

07:59:01.620 Hold on.

07:59:02.300 It should be.

07:59:03.380 And I would tell this to anybody.

07:59:04.660 If a,

07:59:04.860 if a man was sitting across from me.

07:59:06.600 I could cure less when you would tell a man.

07:59:08.980 Oh,

07:59:09.520 says the CEO of interrupting.

07:59:10.820 I'm the host.

07:59:11.340 Says the CEO of interrupting.

07:59:12.620 You're not the host.

07:59:13.340 Get over yourself.

07:59:13.720 Says the CEOs of interrupting.

07:59:15.440 Let me get through this.

07:59:15.940 Says the CEOs of interrupting.

07:59:17.520 Can you stop interrupting please?

07:59:18.200 The CEOs.

07:59:19.340 Can you stop please?

07:59:20.600 Okay.

07:59:21.580 If a man was sitting across from me and he said,

07:59:24.620 and I,

07:59:25.080 the question was posed to him,

07:59:26.740 would you,

07:59:29.340 if you could snap your fingers and all women disappear.

07:59:32.260 Can you please stop staring at me like that?

07:59:33.760 It's making me a little bit uncomfortable.

07:59:35.220 Stop.

07:59:35.460 Just stay focused.

07:59:36.600 I am.

07:59:37.040 I'm just,

07:59:37.440 I can't.

07:59:37.940 Stop.

07:59:38.220 Stop.

07:59:38.600 Stop.

07:59:40.300 I would tell that man that is a completely despicable position.

07:59:44.540 The fact that you can't even immediately knee jerk say.

07:59:46.980 Okay.

07:59:47.260 Sure.

07:59:47.600 No,

07:59:47.800 I would never get rid of,

07:59:48.840 hold on.

07:59:49.100 That's crazy.

07:59:50.080 Oh,

07:59:50.620 that's totally crazy.

07:59:51.480 I would say that the fact that you can't even,

07:59:53.840 you can't even just say,

07:59:55.420 no,

07:59:56.260 I,

07:59:56.440 of course I would never get rid of all men.

07:59:57.920 That the fact that you,

07:59:59.120 Ooh,

07:59:59.220 let me think about it.

08:00:00.140 I'd have to weigh the pros and cons.

08:00:01.960 Okay.

08:00:03.120 Crazy.

08:00:03.660 Okay.

08:00:04.120 It's the fact that none of the women here,

08:00:06.200 like,

08:00:06.580 well,

08:00:06.680 I think some of the women objected,

08:00:08.120 but maybe they didn't voice it.

08:00:09.720 I think that's interesting.

08:00:12.480 Okay.

08:00:12.720 Good for you.

08:00:13.420 Anyways,

08:00:13.720 I'm glad you think it's interesting.

08:00:15.220 I'm glad you actually,

08:00:16.000 I'm actually glad you think at all.

08:00:17.760 Yeah.

08:00:17.880 Stop filibustering.

08:00:19.060 Okay.

08:00:19.460 Red pill men need to be eradicated.

08:00:21.940 Yep.

08:00:22.380 We talked about that.

08:00:23.400 So eradicated.

08:00:24.220 You said,

08:00:24.680 reeducated.

08:00:26.060 Is that correct?

08:00:27.460 I said that they need to not be red pill anymore.

08:00:31.620 Okay.

08:00:32.220 Um,

08:00:32.540 you said that you hate conservative men,

08:00:34.680 probably the worst iteration of men,

08:00:36.920 whatever that means.

08:00:37.980 Correct.

08:00:38.740 If you became dictator with total power,

08:00:41.380 uh,

08:00:42.360 but,

08:00:42.720 and you could,

08:00:43.600 I would never be a dictator,

08:00:44.960 but if you could like,

08:00:46.460 so I would never want to be a dictator.

08:00:48.420 I would never want to be a dictator on like some other people.

08:00:51.860 So even if it could mean like all,

08:00:53.980 like your feminist utopia could be,

08:00:55.980 uh,

08:00:56.360 realized.

08:00:58.640 Okay.

08:00:59.120 Feminist.

08:00:59.640 If you're the dictator,

08:01:00.620 you're the dictator.

08:01:01.560 You can establish a matriarchy.

08:01:03.360 You can do what you want.

08:01:04.740 Okay.

08:01:04.920 I don't like,

08:01:05.780 again,

08:01:06.080 you wouldn't be,

08:01:06.600 okay,

08:01:06.680 fine.

08:01:06.960 Whatever.

08:01:07.240 She won't engage with the hypothetical question for you.

08:01:09.240 It's not,

08:01:09.360 I'm not engaging with the hypothetical.

08:01:10.800 I don't have fantasies about being a dictator like some others.

08:01:13.660 It's not about a fantasy.

08:01:14.420 It's just,

08:01:14.780 it's a,

08:01:15.000 how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast?

08:01:16.720 It's not a fantasy,

08:01:17.840 but okay.

08:01:18.780 If,

08:01:19.300 um,

08:01:20.280 if,

08:01:21.860 how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

08:01:32.240 Really?

08:01:32.640 All we need to ask.

08:01:33.620 What is this question?

08:01:35.200 Oh,

08:01:35.780 what?

08:01:36.120 Okay.

08:01:36.580 How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning?

08:01:39.360 What is this question?

08:01:47.000 It's all coming full circle.

08:01:49.340 Just answer the question.

08:01:50.760 How would you feel?

08:01:52.900 It's just one of my,

08:01:53.840 it's one,

08:01:54.160 you know,

08:01:54.400 I ask all these hypotheticals.

08:01:56.080 It's a super easy one.

08:01:57.320 How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

08:02:03.680 I mean,

08:02:04.480 I would eat lunch.

08:02:05.520 Would I not?

08:02:06.360 There are some days that I don't eat breakfast in the morning.

08:02:09.140 Wow.

08:02:12.880 Okay.

08:02:13.400 Um,

08:02:14.040 you say most women are way better looking than men.

08:02:16.420 We already talked about that.

08:02:17.400 You say,

08:02:17.980 um,

08:02:18.980 most men don't deserve the,

08:02:21.380 wait,

08:02:22.540 how about this?

08:02:22.980 If you were a dictator and you could like get rid of all conservative men,

08:02:26.880 would you do it?

08:02:27.400 Okay.

08:02:29.280 Whatever.

08:02:29.660 I don't have fantasies about being a dictator.

08:02:31.720 Okay.

08:02:32.080 You say most men don't deserve the women they are dating and the woman can always do better.

08:02:38.580 Kind of talked about that.

08:02:39.920 Uh,

08:02:40.240 you say most women are way better off without a man in their lives.

08:02:43.960 Yep.

08:02:45.160 Okay.

08:02:45.860 Do you consider yourself a fem cell?

08:02:50.880 No.

08:02:51.400 Do you consider yourself a misandrist?

08:02:53.460 I've already addressed that.

08:02:54.660 I don't hate anyone.

08:02:56.340 You have strong dislike for men.

08:02:58.220 Is that fair to say?

08:03:02.340 Certain men.

08:03:03.480 Certain men.

08:03:04.100 Okay.

08:03:04.280 Like you.

08:03:05.060 Like me.

08:03:05.700 Okay.

08:03:06.300 Uh,

08:03:06.580 you really don't like men though,

08:03:07.920 do you?

08:03:08.380 I mean,

08:03:08.700 I really don't like you.

08:03:09.840 Yeah.

08:03:10.740 And most men.

08:03:13.600 Majority.

08:03:14.440 Majority.

08:03:14.920 Yeah.

08:03:15.260 Uh,

08:03:15.480 in terms of your politics,

08:03:16.440 are you liberal leftist?

08:03:18.200 I'm a leftist.

08:03:19.520 In terms of the economic system,

08:03:21.040 you would prefer to see you're clearly anti-capitalist.

08:03:24.760 Would you prefer socialism?

08:03:27.460 Or would you prefer going further?

08:03:29.300 I would prefer,

08:03:30.320 no,

08:03:30.640 I would prefer an iteration of socialism.

08:03:33.140 Yes.

08:03:33.440 But not communism.

08:03:34.920 Or yes,

08:03:35.440 communism.

08:03:36.080 Okay.

08:03:36.840 Um,

08:03:37.500 but we should get rid of capitalism.

08:03:39.820 Yes.

08:03:40.340 Okay.

08:03:41.060 Um,

08:03:41.920 you say also stop treating men like the prize.

08:03:45.380 Yes.

08:03:45.820 They're not the prize.

08:03:46.720 Men are never the prize.

08:03:48.100 Um,

08:03:48.660 you say girl having a boyfriend is not impressive.

08:03:52.060 Yeah.

08:03:52.460 It's not impressive.

08:03:53.180 If it's not impressive,

08:03:54.080 what is it to have a boyfriend?

08:03:55.620 Is it embarrassing?

08:03:58.640 Um,

08:03:59.140 depending on how he treats you.

08:04:00.840 Yes,

08:04:01.020 it could definitely be embarrassing.

08:04:02.340 Well,

08:04:02.520 assuming he's like an average guy and yeah,

08:04:04.800 he treats her well,

08:04:05.720 but he's not like,

08:04:06.540 you know,

08:04:08.180 if you,

08:04:09.180 if you pride yourself in having a boyfriend,

08:04:11.500 yes,

08:04:11.700 it is embarrassing.

08:04:13.200 That should never be your pride and joy.

08:04:15.660 It should never be something that you think is impressive.

08:04:19.620 Okay.

08:04:20.780 Um,

08:04:21.180 let's see.

08:04:22.120 You say you feel bad for girls who have a man.

08:04:25.560 If he treats them poorly.

08:04:26.780 Yeah.

08:04:27.520 Also in one of your videos,

08:04:28.880 you said something along the lines of guys are fucking stupid.

08:04:33.380 Yeah.

08:04:34.480 Do you've considered that like problematic at all?

08:04:37.000 Or

08:04:37.240 it depends on specific,

08:04:44.800 like if he's a smart guy.

08:04:46.680 Yeah,

08:04:47.040 there are smart men out there,

08:04:48.140 but you said like,

08:04:49.360 as a blame,

08:04:49.840 like if I said,

08:04:50.480 women are fucking stupid,

08:04:51.620 wouldn't you say like,

08:04:52.440 that's really misogynistic.

08:04:54.080 So can you please like cite exactly what I was saying in this video?

08:04:58.580 I believe it was related to your video about,

08:05:01.200 um,

08:05:03.680 uh,

08:05:04.080 I mean,

08:05:04.540 I don't really have time to pull it up,

08:05:06.540 but you,

08:05:07.060 you do like,

08:05:09.040 this is a quote from you guys are fucking stupid.

08:05:11.640 I think it was,

08:05:12.380 Oh,

08:05:12.720 stop treating men like the prize.

08:05:14.020 I think it was that video.

08:05:15.400 And you said guys are fucking stupid.

08:05:20.960 I think,

08:05:22.140 yes,

08:05:22.380 there are many men that are stupid.

08:05:23.880 Yes.

08:05:24.240 I don't specifically remember the specifics of the video.

08:05:27.700 If you want to watch it,

08:05:29.120 you can watch it at Selena,

08:05:30.080 the app on Tik TOK.

08:05:31.300 Right.

08:05:31.700 But if I were to say women are fucking stupid,

08:05:34.160 wouldn't you have a problem with that?

08:05:38.140 Yeah,

08:05:38.520 I would.

08:05:38.960 Would it be sexist?

08:05:40.700 Sure.

08:05:41.140 I mean to say that,

08:05:41.580 would it be misogynistic?

08:05:43.380 Yes.

08:05:43.880 Okay.

08:05:44.160 So then you're sexist and misandrist,

08:05:46.580 or at least the statement was misandrist.

08:05:51.060 No,

08:05:51.500 I don't think that statement means that we hate men.

08:05:57.240 Well,

08:05:57.600 it would be like a prejudice towards men.

08:05:59.240 You think they're fucking stupid.

08:06:00.860 Okay.

08:06:01.240 Yeah.

08:06:01.380 It's a prejudice.

08:06:02.380 Uh,

08:06:02.600 you say women shouldn't be friends with men.

08:06:04.840 Um,

08:06:06.740 yeah,

08:06:07.140 I mean,

08:06:07.440 we talked about that.

08:06:08.320 Charlie Kirk,

08:06:09.080 there's definitely no time for that.

08:06:11.960 I did watch your video on Charlie Kirk there.

08:06:13.540 I found numerous issues with your presentation and the Charlie Kirk thing.

08:06:17.400 Of course you did.

08:06:18.140 Um,

08:06:18.600 you,

08:06:19.600 uh,

08:06:20.300 I guess called him like a bad white,

08:06:21.800 bad white person.

08:06:22.980 I'm not sure why his race was involved,

08:06:24.760 but okay.

08:06:25.300 Why would it not be involved?

08:06:26.500 He was a white supremacist.

08:06:28.040 Charlie Kirk was not a white supremacist.

08:06:29.460 Yes,

08:06:29.680 he was.

08:06:30.760 He was not a white supremacist.

08:06:32.340 Okay.

08:06:32.540 We can talk about this.

08:06:33.340 I guess we'll have to talk about it at some other point.

08:06:36.740 Um,

08:06:37.960 you said that something about ice,

08:06:39.900 like you said,

08:06:41.180 what doesn't,

08:06:42.060 uh,

08:06:42.620 you were relating to how,

08:06:45.160 okay,

08:06:45.580 I'm not going to get into the immigration stuff.

08:06:47.700 Uh,

08:06:48.160 you don't go 50,

08:06:49.020 50.

08:06:49.480 We already talked about that though.

08:06:51.180 Um,

08:06:51.680 I asked how you reconcile feminism with being against 50,

08:06:56.240 50.

08:06:56.540 I don't know how you reconcile believing in equality,

08:07:00.440 being a feminist,

08:07:01.140 but like no to 50,

08:07:02.540 50 kind of interesting.

08:07:04.780 Um,

08:07:05.220 you're against the,

08:07:06.200 what you bring to the table.

08:07:07.480 You say it's scientifically proven women bring more to the table than

08:07:10.780 yes,

08:07:11.420 men.

08:07:12.360 Um,

08:07:13.460 I,

08:07:15.000 I,

08:07:15.300 that's kind of weird.

08:07:16.520 You also say like all these super successful men,

08:07:19.100 most of their success can be,

08:07:21.100 uh,

08:07:21.680 credited to their like wives and girlfriends.

08:07:24.300 I think that's kind of dismissive of the agency.

08:07:26.820 Sometimes.

08:07:27.380 Yes.

08:07:27.860 I think that's a bit dismissive to the agency of men.

08:07:30.460 Like I think men achieve things absent,

08:07:33.240 whether they have a girlfriend or not,

08:07:34.760 they achieve things through their own will and through their own actions.

08:07:38.600 Well,

08:07:39.040 I think it's a,

08:07:39.800 it's a women.

08:07:41.420 Have many positive impacts on,

08:07:43.820 uh,

08:07:44.740 a man's life and can certainly help in certain ways.

08:07:48.160 I think to diminish like the success of successful men and just say,

08:07:53.220 Oh,

08:07:53.460 mostly the women,

08:07:54.500 the women were there.

08:07:55.420 And I think that's kind of unfair in the same way that if like,

08:07:57.920 there's a super successful woman,

08:07:59.260 um,

08:08:01.140 well,

08:08:01.580 her boyfriend,

08:08:02.460 her husband,

08:08:03.100 you know,

08:08:03.600 propelled her into success.

08:08:04.920 I'd be like,

08:08:05.540 nah,

08:08:06.240 maybe he like was a good backbone for whether you're a man or a woman,

08:08:11.400 you can be a good backbone for a relationship,

08:08:13.080 but I think people can come to success regardless of their relationship status.

08:08:17.940 Um,

08:08:18.460 you say women get drained in relationships.

08:08:21.060 They do.

08:08:21.920 I think,

08:08:22.440 I think the opposite.

08:08:23.280 Okay.

08:08:23.640 It's been more than 15 minutes.

08:08:25.740 Uh,

08:08:26.380 but anyways,

08:08:27.120 uh,

08:08:27.480 Oh,

08:08:27.700 national boyfriend posts.

08:08:29.020 You,

08:08:29.340 the chopped man epidemic is upon us.

08:08:31.980 You seem to have criticisms of men's physical appearance.

08:08:35.520 I think that's interesting when before you said,

08:08:38.000 I can't make determinations as to like physical appearance on the scale of one to 10,

08:08:41.280 but I'm sure as,

08:08:42.380 at least as it relates to men,

08:08:43.700 you could,

08:08:43.960 I don't rate them with the numbers.

08:08:45.500 Okay.

08:08:45.800 That wall,

08:08:46.400 uh,

08:08:47.100 chopped or not chopped,

08:08:48.100 I guess then you can still do a hierarchy there.

08:08:50.420 I don't do it on a number.

08:08:52.920 You say,

08:08:53.480 do you think it's embarrassing to have a boyfriend?

08:08:56.180 Like I said,

08:08:56.960 if you make it your whole personality,

08:08:58.200 yes,

08:08:58.540 it's embarrassing.

08:08:59.360 Okay.

08:08:59.660 I don't think most women make it their whole personality,

08:09:01.740 but sure.

08:09:02.080 Some women do.

08:09:02.900 And that might be a little cringe.

08:09:05.100 Uh,

08:09:05.500 you say you don't have a boyfriend.

08:09:07.020 Thank God.

08:09:08.140 Yes.

08:09:09.660 It seems like a little bit of a anti-male sentiment there,

08:09:13.440 but okay.

08:09:14.340 Yeah.

08:09:14.660 Like what if you meet a guy who treats you really well?

08:09:17.460 Yeah,

08:09:17.680 sure.

08:09:18.140 And you love him and he loves you.

08:09:19.560 I don't know if you,

08:09:20.380 have you been in love before?

08:09:21.920 Yeah.

08:09:22.840 Okay.

08:09:23.580 Good.

08:09:24.020 Okay.

08:09:24.280 It's been 15 minutes.

08:09:25.500 It's time for me to leave.

08:09:27.020 Uh,

08:09:27.260 and then you say,

08:09:28.020 okay,

08:09:28.200 we already,

08:09:28.840 the red flags to look out for,

08:09:30.920 uh,

08:09:31.640 okay.

08:09:31.900 We don't have time.

08:09:32.480 Okay.

08:09:32.680 If you'd like to continue the conversation,

08:09:34.740 we can do so at a later time.

08:09:35.940 I do.

08:09:36.920 Uh,

08:09:37.360 you say you use men.

08:09:41.140 We can have this conversation at a later time.

08:09:43.140 Okay.

08:09:43.340 It's time for me to leave.

08:09:44.460 Uh,

08:09:45.060 polarized algorithms.

08:09:46.960 Women are in danger.

08:09:48.140 Red pill.

08:09:49.520 Uh,

08:09:49.960 okay.

08:09:50.280 We talked about some of that,

08:09:51.340 I guess.

08:09:52.240 Door dash girl.

08:09:53.200 Don't have time.

08:09:54.200 Would you date Luigi Mangione?

08:09:57.180 This is for the whole panel.

08:09:58.320 Yes.

08:10:01.340 The guy who assassinated the healthcare CEO.

08:10:03.880 Yes.

08:10:04.240 You would date him.

08:10:05.000 Okay.

08:10:05.160 No,

08:10:06.160 I don't know him.

08:10:06.980 You don't know the guy.

08:10:07.700 Remember like the,

08:10:08.940 a lot of girls thought he was a cute guy.

08:10:10.780 He,

08:10:11.000 I'm really not online.

08:10:11.720 This is like back in,

08:10:12.800 well,

08:10:12.960 this is big news,

08:10:13.640 but back in like,

08:10:14.600 uh,

08:10:14.740 December,

08:10:15.160 2024,

08:10:15.620 I believe.

08:10:16.800 Uh,

08:10:17.180 he,

08:10:17.620 he murked a healthcare,

08:10:19.880 uh,

08:10:20.520 CEO in cold blood in the street.

08:10:23.960 Like he assassinated him.

08:10:25.680 Probably wouldn't date anyone that assassinated someone.

08:10:27.440 No.

08:10:27.720 All right.

08:10:28.160 Essie.

08:10:28.600 No.

08:10:29.480 What do you,

08:10:30.300 well,

08:10:30.500 you guys are all relationship married,

08:10:32.000 whatever.

08:10:32.860 Okay.

08:10:33.620 It's time.

08:10:34.860 It's time.

08:10:36.260 Time.

08:10:37.340 Five rounds.

08:10:38.780 Okay.

08:10:39.100 Sorry.

08:10:39.380 No,

08:10:39.920 please.

08:10:40.780 Like,

08:10:41.180 good night.

08:10:42.760 Good night,

08:10:43.520 chat.

08:10:43.920 See you later.

08:10:46.020 I did give the finale there.

08:10:48.520 I know some of you might be open to like staying.

08:10:51.500 Uh,

08:10:51.920 I'm going to wrap the show in like five minutes,

08:10:54.040 but I did say,

08:10:55.640 give the heart out.

08:10:57.300 So if you want to take the heart out,

08:10:58.820 you can.

08:10:59.320 Otherwise,

08:10:59.560 those of you who are down to just stick around for another five minutes while I

08:11:02.920 just say the intro,

08:11:03.980 you're more than welcome.

08:11:04.820 I'd appreciate it if you stay,

08:11:05.880 but I understand it has gone late.

08:11:07.680 And I did say you guys could leave at one 15.

08:11:11.180 So I'll leave it up to you guys.

08:11:13.760 Thank you.

08:11:14.740 Bye chat.

08:11:15.560 Find me at Selena,

08:11:16.600 the yapper on Tik TOK and Instagram.

08:11:19.100 There's your red card at the end.

08:11:20.440 Red card for you too.

08:11:21.820 I don't know.

08:11:22.120 That's not a red card.

08:11:23.360 Red card.

08:11:23.960 I believe it's when you just like get up.

08:11:26.640 It looks orange.

08:11:27.500 That's not red.

08:11:28.460 I'm literally leaving.

08:11:29.620 It looks orange.

08:11:30.140 After an agreed upon agreement.

08:11:32.240 Looks like a burnt.

08:11:33.160 Did we not agree that I was leaving?

08:11:34.460 So I'm not tapping out of the conversation.

08:11:36.760 No,

08:11:37.220 I'm not tapping out of the conversation.

08:11:39.340 Don't pull up the red card.

08:11:40.700 Oh my God.

08:11:41.300 It's not that.

08:11:41.800 It's not that deep.

08:11:42.580 Yes,

08:11:42.800 it's not that deep.

08:11:43.560 I'm just having a little fun here.

08:11:44.720 I don't like that stuff.

08:11:45.980 Okay,

08:11:46.260 fine.

08:11:46.540 Then you left on your own free will.

08:11:47.960 There you go.

08:11:48.680 That's not true.

08:11:50.240 We,

08:11:50.480 this is an agreed upon leave.

08:11:52.120 No,

08:11:52.420 I know.

08:11:52.580 That you agreed upon.

08:11:53.700 I'm not arguing with you on that.

08:11:55.440 So that's not a red card.

08:11:56.880 I'm doing a little bit.

08:11:58.020 No,

08:11:58.420 this is not a bit.

08:11:59.020 She does.

08:12:00.640 I love her.

08:12:01.560 All right.

08:12:01.760 You'll be a very good lawyer,

08:12:03.000 Selena.

08:12:03.780 Well,

08:12:05.020 you'll be a very argumentative lawyer.

08:12:07.720 All right,

08:12:08.080 Selena.

08:12:08.500 Love you,

08:12:08.860 Selena.

08:12:09.620 One thing,

08:12:10.480 Selena,

08:12:10.860 I do want to say,

08:12:12.000 I know we,

08:12:12.680 I'll say something nice here at the end.

08:12:15.420 Look,

08:12:15.860 Selena,

08:12:16.480 I know we agreed or sorry,

08:12:18.340 hold on.

08:12:19.160 Sorry.

08:12:19.480 I know we disagreed on a lot.

08:12:21.960 I think overall you were a good sport.

08:12:24.760 You're,

08:12:25.000 you're kind of funny.

08:12:25.740 Not gonna lie.

08:12:26.320 Like in a,

08:12:26.940 not like in an insulting way,

08:12:28.120 but in like a,

08:12:28.760 I know I am funny.

08:12:29.960 She was funny.

08:12:30.600 You are kind of funny.

08:12:31.900 Thanks.

08:12:32.980 I know we disagree on almost everything.

08:12:35.020 You probably hate my guts.

08:12:36.380 I just want to let you know,

08:12:37.680 absolutely no hard feelings.

08:12:40.640 I don't,

08:12:41.700 after the shows,

08:12:42.620 I'm,

08:12:42.900 I never,

08:12:43.280 I'm upset with anybody.

08:12:44.920 You were a good sport.

08:12:46.500 We talked a lot.

08:12:49.220 It'd be interesting to finish up at a later date.

08:12:52.600 Some of these other things that I'm sure we could have further discussion on,

08:12:56.860 but I do want to thank you for coming.

08:12:58.300 And I know you're,

08:12:59.200 you got to get out of here,

08:13:00.080 but I do want to thank you for coming.

08:13:01.560 The girl back there,

08:13:02.240 I don't know if she's still there.

08:13:03.300 Thank you for coming too.

08:13:04.260 I know we disagreed.

08:13:05.240 Sometimes shit gets heated on the show.

08:13:07.320 I don't hold any,

08:13:08.820 uh,

08:13:10.040 no hard feelings basically.

08:13:11.140 So thank you.

08:13:11.920 Thank you for coming.

08:13:12.600 I mean,

08:13:12.860 I do think that you're certainly a special guy and you have a lot of special.

08:13:17.020 Are you calling me retarded?

08:13:17.800 What?

08:13:18.640 She fucking caught me,

08:13:19.680 Selena.

08:13:20.120 She is.

08:13:20.640 Are you calling me fucking retarded?

08:13:21.480 I just want to say that you two make a power duo.

08:13:25.940 You two are certainly special together.

08:13:29.180 Yeah,

08:13:29.420 don't.

08:13:29.580 I would tell her husband to look out.

08:13:32.980 No,

08:13:33.360 he feels very safe and secure in our relationship.

08:13:35.040 I don't know.

08:13:35.120 I don't know about after watching today,

08:13:36.940 tonight's episode.

08:13:37.700 Leave it to the single woman.

08:13:38.900 I mean,

08:13:39.180 the way that you were looking at him,

08:13:42.600 girl,

08:13:42.860 I don't know.

08:13:43.440 I'm sorry.

08:13:44.200 I pay attention to the host.

08:13:45.680 I was way more respectful of the host than you were.

08:13:47.580 At least I can say that.

08:13:48.400 You were so respectful.

08:13:49.480 Oh my God.

08:13:49.700 I was trying to say something nice at the end there.

08:13:51.480 And you got to get all catty with each other.

08:13:53.100 you were so respectful this entire show.

08:13:55.700 You're so respectful.

08:13:56.680 Have a great night and get home safe.

08:13:58.000 I hope you have a,

08:13:58.900 you get a gold star for being so respectful.

08:14:01.500 And I hope the host gives you that gold star.

08:14:03.480 I'm sure.

08:14:04.740 Good night.

08:14:05.820 Bye.

08:14:06.560 Bye.

08:14:08.160 Bye.

08:14:08.720 All right.

08:14:09.120 Good night.

08:14:09.520 Thank you.

08:14:09.900 Thank you.

08:14:10.220 Appreciate it.

08:14:10.740 Appreciate it.

08:14:11.540 Oh,

08:14:11.780 Essie,

08:14:12.400 you're just well,

08:14:12.940 for the outro or whatever.

08:14:15.660 Essie,

08:14:16.140 do you want to move there?

08:14:17.740 Yeah.

08:14:18.440 And then I'll know,

08:14:19.200 just get your beautiful face in the front.

08:14:21.240 Did you want to do the makeup thing?

08:14:24.300 Anybody for the makeup thing?

08:14:25.440 I'll do it.

08:14:26.280 W,

08:14:26.780 Essie.

08:14:26.800 I think I'll pass on this time.

08:14:28.860 You'll do it?

08:14:29.420 I'll pass on this one.

08:14:30.380 Okay.

08:14:30.680 Round two.

08:14:31.460 I'm going to go to sleep when I go home.

08:14:32.380 There you go.

08:14:32.700 All right.

08:14:34.300 Mary,

08:14:34.800 just like the door and stuff or whatever.

08:14:38.140 It helped.

08:14:39.000 All right.

08:14:40.000 So,

08:14:40.360 okay.

08:14:45.660 Well,

08:14:46.080 guys,

08:14:46.380 we won't have time for a roast session.

08:14:48.780 Obviously,

08:14:49.200 I'm going to wrap the show because,

08:14:50.960 oh,

08:14:52.600 what the heck?

08:14:53.980 Oh,

08:14:54.280 I don't,

08:14:54.600 that's weird.

08:14:54.980 No way.

08:14:55.580 Good morning.

08:14:56.240 Thank you,

08:14:56.660 Dino Man.

08:14:57.040 Appreciate it.

08:14:57.620 Okay.

08:14:58.140 There's not going to be a roast session,

08:14:59.440 guys.

08:14:59.600 It's already super late.

08:15:00.800 We didn't even get to finish all the notes,

08:15:02.640 but before I wrap,

08:15:04.100 any final thoughts from any of the panelists?

08:15:06.820 Speak now forever.

08:15:07.560 Hold your peace.

08:15:08.620 I had fun.

08:15:09.460 Yeah,

08:15:09.640 me too.

08:15:10.000 This was a great chat to be a part of.

08:15:11.880 Thank you guys so much.

08:15:12.820 I had a really,

08:15:13.620 really good time.

08:15:14.240 I think that we all made some pretty good disagreements and agreements,

08:15:17.160 and I feel a little bit smarter leaving here today.

08:15:20.260 You know what?

08:15:21.720 I still stand by what I said in that video.

08:15:26.660 Because?

08:15:27.960 It was kind of ironic and silly,

08:15:29.800 and I love that.

08:15:30.460 I do think that my point was immediately proven.

08:15:34.020 Cool, cool, cool.

08:15:35.800 And I didn't have much of a point to the inbox.

08:15:37.420 Who are you throwing under the bus?

08:15:39.580 Nobody.

08:15:40.300 You said your point was proven.

08:15:41.640 Who was the bimbo or whatever?

08:15:42.980 They're gone.

08:15:44.360 They're gone.

08:15:47.280 I mean,

08:15:47.820 I thought...

08:15:48.460 Neither of them were bimbos.

08:15:50.480 I think they were very nice.

08:15:51.180 By definition.

08:15:51.600 You are easily one of the most respectful,

08:15:54.280 big name OF girls that I've ever met.

08:15:56.680 Oh, thank you so much.

08:15:57.680 They're probably captains.

08:15:59.340 They are talking massive shit.

08:16:01.740 Oh, yeah.

08:16:02.800 Yeah.

08:16:03.440 And by the way, that's her.

08:16:04.680 She called them the bimbo.

08:16:05.800 I don't think they're bimbos.

08:16:07.240 Hey, I didn't.

08:16:08.340 Listen.

08:16:08.740 Okay, whatever.

08:16:09.460 We're not going to talk shit.

08:16:10.040 I think coding.

08:16:11.840 All right, chat.

08:16:13.240 Chat, what do you guys think?

08:16:14.460 That was a hell of a fucking panel, I think.

08:16:16.600 What a night.

08:16:17.700 That was a lot of panel.

08:16:18.820 All right.

08:16:19.980 Confidence gets you everywhere.

08:16:21.200 That's what I learned.

08:16:22.120 Oh, boy.

08:16:24.620 You're not doing the makeup?

08:16:26.600 Not today.

08:16:27.480 All right.

08:16:27.920 We have a super chat here from.

08:16:29.700 Oh.

08:16:31.220 Actually, you know what?

08:16:31.940 Screw it.

08:16:33.920 Essie, can I have you read these two super chats?

08:16:37.720 OMFG.

08:16:38.220 Chair one doesn't even know what utopia means.

08:16:40.160 Brian, move on to the next.

08:16:41.320 She's not worth our time.

08:16:42.880 XOXO.

08:16:43.400 I just kind of felt that.

08:16:44.500 I know.

08:16:44.940 I feel like we could have discussed so much more.

08:16:46.940 Chair one, do you hate your parents?

08:16:49.340 Hey, guys, sorry that she's gone,

08:16:51.420 so I know you maybe wanted her to respond or whatever,

08:16:53.960 but unfortunately, yeah, she left.

08:16:55.180 Before I could get to the super chats.

08:16:57.780 Thank you, guys.

08:16:58.480 Christopher, thank you for the super chat.

08:16:59.920 Ames, thank you for the super chat.

08:17:02.600 Let's see here.

08:17:03.580 Guys, really quick final things.

08:17:06.200 If you enjoyed, oh, I need to shout out Venmo Cash App people.

08:17:09.100 Troy, thank you for the 10.

08:17:10.800 Alyssa, thank you for the 20.

08:17:12.000 John, thank you for the 30.

08:17:13.000 Adam, thank you for the 20.

08:17:14.920 Thank you, guys.

08:17:15.520 Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.

08:17:16.780 Really quick, we'll pull up Twitch.

08:17:17.900 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.

08:17:21.740 Drop us a follow.

08:17:22.380 Drop us a prime sub.

08:17:23.100 Two hours since the prime sub.

08:17:26.720 Tier one.

08:17:28.340 Minds, thank you for the tier one.

08:17:29.420 Guys, check if you have a prime sub.

08:17:31.320 Drop us a prime sub.

08:17:32.240 Drop us a follow over there on Twitch.

08:17:33.960 Shop.whatever.com.

08:17:35.360 Get yourself some merch.

08:17:36.500 Shop.whatever.com.

08:17:37.640 Discord.gg slash whatever.

08:17:39.140 Like the video, guys, if you enjoyed the stream.

08:17:41.460 And, of course, Big Labia Matter.

08:17:43.760 All right, guys.

08:17:44.560 Like the video.

08:17:45.340 Like the video as we're wrapping things up.

08:17:48.900 Uh, Andrew.

08:17:50.620 Okay.

08:17:51.200 Thank you, Andrew.

08:17:51.920 Appreciate it.

08:17:52.460 Average IQ of the panel did spike.

08:17:54.120 Uh, maybe.

08:17:54.740 I don't know.

08:17:56.060 Uh, thank you for that, man.

08:17:57.160 Appreciate it.

08:17:57.700 Like the video, guys.

08:17:58.540 Okay.

08:17:59.000 Uh, well, I'd like to end the stream by seeing if we can't use this as a moment to give you,

08:18:04.340 Essie, a call to action.

08:18:05.860 You're the only woman on this panel who does OnlyFans or even, well, with those girls leaving.

08:18:11.140 Oh, really?

08:18:11.820 You're the only OF girl, uh, only sex worker or whatever.

08:18:15.660 Call to action, Essie.

08:18:18.880 Call to action.

08:18:19.720 Call to action.

08:18:20.660 Tonight on the Whatever Podcast, would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?

08:18:29.600 What am I getting out of it for stopping?

08:18:31.240 Your soul.

08:18:32.660 Oh.

08:18:33.300 Based.

08:18:33.720 Uh, unfortunately, no.

08:18:34.960 I sacrificed my soul for others.

08:18:36.460 All right, well, I tried.

08:18:38.500 Anyways, uh, okay, GG.

08:18:40.740 Well played.

08:18:41.640 To the panel.

08:18:42.300 Last call.

08:18:42.900 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

08:18:44.960 Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.

08:18:48.200 You have to wait about 20, 30 seconds, but wait until the stream ends and leave a comment.

08:18:53.180 You know, say something nice about one of the panelists.

08:18:56.160 Leave a positive comment.

08:18:57.580 Uh, leave a nice comment.

08:18:58.560 It helps with the algorithm, and I read them afterwards, so it's nice to hear, uh, some

08:19:02.900 positive stuff after sometimes some pretty brutal debates and whatnot, so, uh, and it

08:19:08.740 can be, you know, nice about the show, nice about one of the gals, so, yeah.

08:19:12.440 Uh, thank you guys for tuning in tonight.

08:19:14.260 Thank you to the wonderful panel here who made it to the, uh, the outro.

08:19:17.940 Thank you, guys.

08:19:18.920 We made it.

08:19:19.720 Thank you for being good sports.

08:19:20.560 Thank you for being good sports.

08:19:21.780 You could have been anywhere to the viewers.

08:19:23.800 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

08:19:26.580 I appreciate that.

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08:19:32.100 We're demonetized with that.

08:19:34.800 Not all videos are demonetized, but, you know, um, we, we don't get sponsorships.

08:19:39.420 A lot of the conversations are like kind of, uh, they're not exactly PG or whatever.

08:19:45.140 So a lot of the videos get like ad suitability, demonetized age restriction shit.

08:19:51.300 So we're viewer supported.

08:19:52.560 So thank you guys who have, uh, who have supported tonight in the past.

08:19:58.220 We're going to be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

08:20:01.380 Got a great show Sunday, guys, with some solid panels coming up.

08:20:04.760 Be sure to tune in.

08:20:05.800 Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM at whatever on Instagram.

08:20:08.780 If you, am I forgetting anything, Mary?

08:20:10.380 Or, okay.

08:20:11.880 I want to see 07s in the chat.

08:20:15.160 07s in the chat, boys.

08:20:17.140 07s in the chat.

08:20:18.000 Um, oh, really quick for the makeup thing.

08:20:21.680 Uh, can you hold it up and show us the damage?

08:20:25.440 I'm not even done.

08:20:26.880 Hold it up.

08:20:27.500 I feel like mine could be even more.

08:20:28.480 Hold it up.

08:20:29.320 You're still working on it?

08:20:30.720 Now you got to pop the color contacts out.

08:20:33.140 Everything.

08:20:34.820 Uh, you're still working on it?

08:20:36.080 Here, pop, show, show it a little again.

08:20:38.220 Just show the damage.

08:20:40.060 Boom.

08:20:40.700 All right, there it is, folks.

08:20:41.880 Okay.

08:20:42.080 Uh, well, are we forgetting anything, Mary?

08:20:44.880 Are we good?

08:20:46.400 All right.

08:20:46.860 I probably forgot a whole bunch of stuff.

08:20:48.980 But, uh, okay, guys.

08:20:50.880 07s in the chat.

08:20:52.740 Good night, guys.

08:20:53.780 Good night.

08:20:54.900 And we will see you guys next time.

08:20:58.100 Good night, guys.

08:20:58.540 Good night, guys.

Whatever Podcast - November 17, 2025

＂YOU ARE MlSOGYNlST!＂ Feminist ACCUSES Brian？! Misandrist？! BASED Girl RETURNS! ｜ Dating Talk #269

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