06:21:44.160hang on uh so you've got um you've got a a certain dynamic there was what he's
06:21:52.960kind of independence uh they weren't just six 56 men without a network right they were they were
06:21:59.040highly networked they they knew where their ammunition their munitions were stored they
06:22:03.840knew uh who in their community was on their side they had done a vast amount of of detailed uh work
06:22:12.880to get to the point where that felt confident that it wasn't just 56 people signing their name to a
06:22:18.080declaration of independence and saying okay now we uh now we're on our own let's start now with
06:22:23.520trying to recruit people to our side right they had already done the footwork to collectivize a certain
06:22:30.160level of might uh and strength in the in their community so i think that would be the phase we're in
06:22:38.000right now is is that phase but and then out of that we produce this this um formidable option
06:22:47.680that gives people an off-ramp i don't know i just want to present that as we kind of navigate
06:22:51.600the rest of this year um is it nunya yeah nunya and then uh shabald spalder yeah thank you so i just want to
06:23:02.080make it clear that i i'm not i'm not dissing this um avenue of approach whatsoever i'm simply stating that
06:23:10.240the amount of not only intelligence but uh security that would entail something this big because this is
06:23:18.720going to bring down lots and lots of powerful people you know and we talked about family members
06:23:22.720children all that kind of stuff going down that's that's exactly what would happen so if if you don't
06:23:28.560have the amount of security and the amount of intelligence to throw at a problem like this
06:23:36.400it's going to end up in failures and it would be such a huge huge task to get something like this
06:23:44.160together i almost feel like what uh mythos was talking about would be a better first step you know
06:23:50.320we we go the the independence route we we set forth you know what rules and regulations that we can
06:23:58.080actually provide these people what protections we can provide these people and then once we have
06:24:04.000the people we have the intelligence we have the security then we put forth the plan so i i think
06:24:09.760that's a very good analogy there and i think that would be a better starting point i'll leave it
06:24:19.840you got it no thanks for that and i think yeah we just have to yeah just real real quick we have
06:24:24.880to think about what phase we're in there and i think this document is something that i'd be willing
06:24:29.440to sign if it made sense right i mean as somebody who is dealing with the same pressures in some sense
06:24:34.880maybe to a lesser degree i have less political power but if i can read a document that says here's
06:24:39.600your off ramp like i i think that is is kind of where we um start and i go okay cool now now how
06:24:46.800many people can we get to sign up for this and then from there you know how many then once we get
06:24:52.160a group of people then we go to a local you know politician and say hey we have all these people we
06:24:57.440are all on this same page are you on the same page as well because i think that we could get
06:25:01.280you on the same page and we could offer you some you know political protection or social protection so
06:25:06.320i see the hundreds there i like that idea too i think that's a navigatable um a solution in the in
06:25:13.760the near term uh so uh yeah um i don't see hands um is uh we had to mark falder but he dropped down
06:25:24.320um okay yeah i mean i think it's an interesting idea it's uh really it's going to take someone who
06:25:34.800has access to these politicians to be able to get in their ear and pose it to them uh in order to
06:25:42.640really give it likes uh they all have x accounts you could just post the document in a comment or something
06:25:54.320yeah i wonder and and i my my app is glitching out it's constantly unmiking myself i'm not meaning
06:26:02.320to that keep i keep muting myself and it unmikes uh it's really strange right now but um but i'm
06:26:08.960doing this purposely right now is i don't i don't know if you necessarily would want to post it sorry
06:26:14.720to cut you off there mythos no go ahead you necessarily would want to post it in the replies
06:26:20.000to their x account but i mean you can definitely mail it to them right it's probably a better avenue
06:26:26.960to take just uh you know already we're kind of putting maybe a bit too much out there i can already
06:26:34.720see frank being like guys play your cards a bit closer to your chest but uh it is it's an interesting
06:26:41.520idea and i think you know sending a letter to your congressman or senator with this uh
06:26:52.080you know the form letter in it and explain like hey um you know you can even look them up on track
06:26:59.120a pack and be like i know you've taken this much money from a pack and you know the quid pro quo is
06:27:07.200that you're going to be loyal to israel first and not to me and other american citizens who you
06:27:13.200represent um more and more people are waking up to this and you know we're not happy about it and if
06:27:22.800you want to make good on all the bad that you've done i've you know given you a bit of an exit strategy
06:27:37.200yeah again the the off-ramp has to be more uh agreeable and and in some sense more comfortable
06:27:43.360than staying on the the merry-go-round right uh nunya what do you got
06:27:50.400yeah i was going to go back to the protection aspect uh another aspect of protection uh that
06:27:57.120we're going to have to consider if anything like that would have to happen in the future
06:28:00.720uh clearly sending your you know a letter to your congressman right now about any of this wouldn't
06:28:05.520do any good you know until we have the manpower to actually do something but we're going to have
06:28:09.440to worry about other stuff too um there are a lot of massad operatives uh in the cia the fbi
06:28:17.040atf things like that and these operatives are going to become active if something like that were to
06:28:22.560you know go down so it goes back to that protection thing we're going to have to have our own
06:28:26.640people in those agencies uh in federal agencies uh military national guard those types of things
06:28:34.160before we could ever offer any kind of protection like that to anybody because once those operatives
06:28:38.880are active they're they're doing their job until it's done so it's just something else to consider
06:28:45.360uh yeah uh good point as far as the protections go i'm sure there's there's certain people that are
06:28:52.160going to jump for it whether they're protected or not and they'll live as an example if anything goes
06:28:58.320down people will say oh geez didn't weren't wasn't that the guy that tried to sue the manipulators that
06:29:03.680were going after him and uh then yeah you're right they would return to it so yeah you're you're
06:29:09.120right nunya uh it's it's a delicate situation but you know you look at you look at the uh massad
06:29:16.240operatives cia uh guys there's a lot of white dudes in there that hate what's going on and hate being
06:29:22.240manipulated by the massad operatives with the gun in their back and they're probably listening to this
06:29:27.680conversation right now and they probably want an off-ramp you know and the whole thing is like
06:29:33.280do you really think they could get to everyone like there might be some people that that get ghosted
06:29:39.600but for you know most people i mean it's not going to take too many like like as soon as the document's
06:29:46.000out there whether it's posted in the comments whether it's mailed to their to their house like hey we're
06:29:51.280concerned about your safety we think you're being manipulated and extorted to have these opinions
06:29:57.840and we think you don't like it and etc etc if we continue on that road like it's the same thing
06:30:04.240with the media with the with the uh intelligence agencies with all of it then everyone's gonna say
06:30:11.280like hell yeah we're being manipulated this is the name of the agent that's fucking corrupt and
06:30:16.800fucking threatening me this is the name of the bank that's corrupt and threatening me this is the
06:30:21.760name of the news anchor or the news uh corporation that's threatening me then all of a sudden we can
06:30:28.800have this wide swath of people just turn it just turning in these assholes across the board and sure
06:30:38.000maybe some people get hurt um but they live as an example of the proof of the document you see what i'm
06:30:45.200saying no i understand what you're saying uh i think another aspect that uh we haven't discussed
06:30:52.240yet also is let's say let's say we get put through right we got seven to ten people that are ready to
06:30:58.160fucking testify where are we going to find a judge how many corrupt judges and non-corrupt judges do we
06:31:04.960have out there these are things that have to be vetted they have to be researched uh because it doesn't
06:31:10.320matter what kind of information we have if the da uh is corrupt if the judge is corrupt i mean this
06:31:18.560this is such a multi-faceted uh approach that you you brought up here it takes so much manpower
06:31:27.680it's a years thing it's not something that can just happen within months it's a years thing but i do
06:31:34.000like the idea i just think it's it's something that you know we're gonna have to sit on and and if
06:31:39.280somebody actually goes forth and you know tries to make it happen it's just going to take some time
06:31:44.320well none yet you know i've brought this up just real quick real real quick internet um
06:31:51.600i've brought this up plenty of times mythos has invoked it as well
06:31:57.920number one we have to come to terms and grips with reality is that tyranny only releases its grip
06:32:06.640through bloodshed we're not going to vote our way out of this and lastly i'll say yes we have a duty
06:32:13.920to minimize casualties especially in regards to our kin and our countrymen however
06:32:22.480these corrupt judges and these da's they have addresses and i'm just going to leave it at that
06:32:29.520they have names they have addresses they have people they love etc etc we all do we all do and
06:32:37.760i think when we get serious about this and get serious about game planning these things yes we
06:32:45.840want to give these guys a way out yes we want to find a solution where they join the right side of
06:32:51.040history join the right cause in regards to reseizing our homelands but reseizing our homelands in my opinion
06:32:58.960is only going to come through a lot of money and a lot of force so unless we're doing what we need to
06:33:05.680do by networking fundraising acquiring wealth acquiring land and using the wealth and the land to acquire
06:33:14.720power and the means that we need in order to reseize our homelands through bloodshed then we're
06:33:21.200fucked okay i'm just going to clear up the the da's and the judges thing the same thing applies
06:33:28.320to them there's some judges that are being held hostage by these freaks and some of them are going
06:33:34.000to jump for it because you know i've been i've been in a corrupt dumb ass court it is the dumbest
06:33:39.520fucking thing ever so i know just you know i i know i get the the judges the intelligence agencies
06:33:44.720the politicians the banks and all that shit right um there's a lot of white judges
06:33:50.320or whatever you know maybe maybe a black judge or who cares right um that are being held hostage take
06:33:58.640the money or get the gun and it's like the same fucking like if a judge were to were to hop on this
06:34:05.920bandwagon and say like hey i'm not gonna i have no more like i hate releasing all these violent
06:34:12.320criminals into the street after two weeks in jail for killing people and i hate doing all this shit
06:34:18.320and we know they're being you know blackmailed and you know if it's just across the board like
06:34:25.200any one of these officials could pass it like a politician could pass it to a judge a judge could
06:34:29.840pass it to an intelligence agent a fucking you know like even in the military this shit would apply
06:34:35.600you know like oh hey i'm being threatened like oh i gotta do what i'm told uh against my own interests
06:34:42.640uh it would work across the board is is what i'm trying to what i'm trying to get at is if we do it
06:34:48.000right it could work across the board we could do it quick and we could do it correctly and i'm not
06:34:54.000knocking on any of you guys i'm just supporting what i believe is a very good idea
06:34:59.200internet and i'll and i'll agree you know i've had this discussion in some form uh on these uh on
06:35:09.680these airwaves so i like this thought process personally and i think this is a way forward uh
06:35:15.840what i found in in game gaming this out for me is that we do need a collectivized support system even if
06:35:25.440it's small we still need a collectivized support system that understands kind of where we're going
06:35:32.240with this and and and how to make this happen kind of what we're writing out you know this brain trust
06:35:38.400of sorts um and and that's that's what i think is important to have as we uh make these uh take
06:35:46.240these actions and get into this because i i think this is a part of the solution um and and a way we need
06:35:52.400to go the um um the the the thing i wanted to uh to draw out here is when we're talking about the
06:36:03.120easier softer way that we're um we're also looking at well the easier softer way for some of these guys
06:36:11.360is to to go ahead and do it without making it public right and kind of to the point steve made like putting
06:36:17.520it out on uh in public at first is putting the cart before the horse right to to go ahead and
06:36:27.520speak with some of these judges that we know are um open or or aligned with with where we in the
06:36:36.160document that we have put together that that states this purpose uh and this potential protection
06:36:43.680that we can go to them and say okay we have you know now we have 14 judges uh 17 da's uh 45 sheriffs
06:36:53.520all signed on to this document before even anybody knows it even exists right and that's i think that's
06:36:58.800an easier softer way also because it aligns everybody before they have to start taking any chances uh
06:37:05.680so i just want to put that out there nanya go ahead yeah and i think what you just said is uh
06:37:11.680very prevalent to the conversation it's uh it's not only an easier way to go through about doing it
06:37:17.600but uh it's a safer way for a lot of people too and one thing that i need well not that i need but
06:37:23.680one thing i'd like people to understand some of you do some of you may not is that an operation like
06:37:29.120this is going to require brothers that step up and are ready to take a bullet to secure these people's
06:37:35.760testimonies and that's something that uh we as a race and as a movement have to take into account
06:37:43.200take into account because this is going to be something let's say it happens you know within
06:37:47.760five years we we have to have people who are for the cause enough that they're willing to die for it
06:37:55.520and i can tell you right now i've got two kids but if it was something big enough that it was going
06:38:00.640to push it forward like that i would take a bullet if i had to you know my kids are going to be good
06:38:06.480and that's the mindset that you have to have if you're going to go forward with something
06:38:12.640on that kind of scale so it's just something for people to consider
06:38:17.200yeah i really like where this game theory is going if i could be completely honest it was uh internet it
06:38:23.840was your idea right yeah awesome yeah dude big brain big brain i think you uh did uh i think you
06:38:34.800thought this through it it it's going to take a lot of effort right and i'm not entirely opposed to
06:38:42.320giving people a a way out and a solution to show their patriotism right and service to their country
06:38:52.800because there is something to be said that a lot of this corruption is due to extortion blackmail
06:38:59.440or um you know threat of of violence against their loved ones so um yeah i'm i'm here for it it i think
06:39:09.600what nunya's just said is also important is that it it is a large it is a large operation and i think this
06:39:18.320is a perfect opportunity to say you know if we aren't networked amongst ourselves something of this
06:39:26.560magnitude can never get off of the ground so um i will shill this again and i'm sure steve is thinking
06:39:34.800the same thing um turn the url into the irl finding network of peers where you can make these ideas come
06:39:43.760into fruition rather than just conversations on the internet so um with that said um internet i'm i'm
06:39:51.920glad that we're following each other bro and um i think that we should you know keep comms open let's
06:39:59.200keep comms open and these ideas flowing why power
06:40:06.240i see mama peacock has her hand up and i'm curious mama peacock are you white
06:40:14.160yeah boy okay why are you simping for muslims well i didn't come on here to talk about
06:40:23.440mussels i was listening to this idea here and the irish had something sort of like this
06:40:31.520that was going on uh where some uh journalists got a bunch of people who had been involved in the ira
06:40:42.240to make recordings about uh the whole thing and then kept it away i mean you can do a lot with the
06:40:50.560journalists he kept the recordings and then they tried to get all these recordings so it got turned
06:40:56.960over to a university and then they all tried to get these recordings because they were trying to find
06:41:02.240out these people were still alive the journalists had promised everybody none of this stuff would be
06:41:07.840exposed while they were alive and i don't know if someone on here remembers that story i cannot remember
06:41:16.400who was doing it or anything but it was an interesting take on this
06:41:20.640and the other thing i want to say is if you want to protect congressmen and senators who are
06:41:26.720whistleblowing i mean we all saw what happened you know edward snowden from his job he's living in
06:41:34.560russia now i mean it's kind of uh you you have to be a much bigger organization i mean very big
06:41:42.240you have to have your own separate widespread media source that isn't dependent on any way
06:41:50.400with any of this other stuff you know any of the jew stuff and all that it has to be totally
06:41:56.560independent and that's how people used to get whistleblowing before but all the media has taken over now
06:42:03.040i mean all the media has been controlled since the advent of television uh and even radio uh three
06:42:12.800television networks all owned by jews in the 1950s but again back to my hold on back to my initial
06:42:20.240question why are you simping for muslims and saying they're non-trinitarian christians in your bio i'm
06:42:27.600muslim you're muslim yeah and you're white yeah
06:42:37.760it's not our favorite kind of white mama but uh you know where do you stand on this steve this is uh
06:42:42.480this is a dicey one what's uh what's the take here who's the who are you saying that to no i'm asking
06:42:49.920steve uh hang on there mama peacock what's your take here steve well considering that um you
06:42:57.440know muslims worship a man who married a six-year-old girl and consummated the marriage
06:43:03.600when she was nine well we don't want to get into theological debates here right they have a whole
06:43:09.920convert or die you know kill the infidel they it's very talmudic right the race gangs in the uk
06:43:17.760i mean if you want to get nasty about it at least we're not god okay so steve you you really dove
06:43:33.440into the theological debate here man i was kind of surprised at that move um but let's let's uh see
06:43:39.840uh hang on there uh let's uh what's fairy's take on this i don't know what the take has to be i was
06:43:48.560just talking about the subject no yeah no you're doing fine mom just uh just this is this is interesting
06:43:54.080this is a new kind of a new situation for me i've never you know kind of dealt with this here hang
06:43:58.720on this is sick very good yeah it's it's very simple adopting islam as an ideology as a white person
06:44:06.800is entirely unacceptable it's no different than race mixing islam is a historic enemy of our people
06:44:14.640has been for 1500 years um they have sought repeatedly to invade our territory rape our women
06:44:22.080take our uh possessions you know destroy our demographics and you know they continue to do so
06:44:30.320islam is a brown ideology of conquest and when our people convert to it they are assisting
06:44:36.640in that conquest so it's completely unacceptable um there is no debate here it's not like christianity
06:44:43.280it's not like heathenry um this is not a religion that has any connection to our people in any meaningful
06:44:50.160sense until the last um you know half century at best so like this is like obvious uh islamic converts
06:44:59.200are just as bad as muslims it's very simple like actual like sorry i should say islamic converts are just
06:45:06.000as bad as any other brown or race mixer or whatever yeah and i will say i gave her a bit of uh
06:45:15.440you know leeway just because they see how many mutual followers there are but when i was reading
06:45:20.400the bio like i didn't approve that request to speak and it's uh i was like what this is going on
06:45:26.960i don't i don't entirely agree with uh with fairy's take here um i think this is the theological debate
06:45:36.480that gets dicey nope there's no theological debate well yeah this is i'm entirely with fairy here of
06:45:44.320course you are because you're you're you're anti it's a religious thing so i'm coming from a place of
06:45:51.360of non-theological debate here where oh my this this no this is a fear this is her theology and
06:45:58.960and whether or not she supports the the political ramifications of that is an entirely different
06:46:05.920subject it's a very interesting one actually let me elaborate then because this is an incorrect way
06:46:11.840of assessing islam islam cannot be disconnected from its political ideology it is a religion and
06:46:20.160a political ideology they are intertwined so whenever you convert to islam you are accepting islamic
06:46:27.120political rule as well which seeks to ultimately convert all by sword or or by you know willingness
06:46:34.480to convert so the more of our people who convert to this religion and they will be like they're
06:46:40.560fuck they're not even fucking subtle about it right now what do you think they're going to be
06:46:44.320like whenever you know five ten fifteen percent of our population is you know part of their religion
06:46:51.840um you have to agree with fairy it it's a rule by the sword ideology it's a convert or die
06:46:59.760it is but i know well real quick real quick just real quick true islam is also
06:47:08.960conforming to desert ideology number one desert ideology and number two you have to learn arabic in order
06:47:20.880to be uh a true convert so it's inherently non-european yeah and i get it i get it where what we're in right now
06:47:33.440is is is unfortunately whether we want to admit it all together or not we're in a theological debate here
06:47:45.520and yeah that's right well but here's the thing it's it's very much racial you don't see
06:47:53.760that's it that's i just want to say it's not way to top out it is no it is because
06:48:00.160like ferryman said it is a religion of conquest and we've seen time and time again whether you want
06:48:09.520to look back to uh spain a thousand years ago or you want to look to modern day sweden or the uk
06:48:18.400islam is very anti-white they are more than willing to stab our women and men rape our children
06:48:27.760and you know convert our folk into their their brown ideology and don't get me wrong like as a
06:48:38.320christian i understand there's some problems with christianity you know this whole schofield
06:48:44.560interpretation of the bible uh there's universalism and um you know the modern day
06:48:51.760churches and jews chosen people yeah look look we gotta can't have a theological debate here bro
06:48:59.040because i'm gonna start talking about when i'm gonna start talking about look i'm gonna start
06:49:03.760talking about when the the christians killed the pagans over over religion like this is not
06:49:08.880or when the pagans killed the christian over exactly so so let's not like it's really this
06:49:14.880is the theological debate i expected us to void this you know really really well this is not a
06:49:21.920good road to go down in 1488 let me ask you something let me ask you one question would it be okay
06:49:28.880if mama peacock came in here and was like i am a jewish convert would you be okay with that
06:49:34.480no i'm not okay with christian the christianity so i i'm not okay with any of this stuff which is why
06:49:42.240we don't have these discussions if she's coming in and she's like i'm pro-white and you're like well
06:49:47.760what religion are you we've already we've gone across the line right i get it if you don't want
06:49:53.360to let her up on stage because of what's in her bio but to make this about her religion is exactly a
06:49:59.440theological debate it's absolutely not hold on no i look mythos i do have to agree with i do have to
06:50:07.600agree with ferry and and steve here i'm not choosing to take a side with more so christianity or any of
06:50:16.560the abrahamic faiths outside of what i can observe from historic fact now i know that you brought up you
06:50:23.040you know christians and pagans and and things like that i i will make an argument under this pretext
06:50:31.760from what i can observe knowing the 14 words and the 88 precepts here on 1488 radio islam is
06:50:41.280contradictory towards the 14 words and the 88 precepts that that's what i'm able to observe
06:50:48.720without turning it into a theological debate well i would observe the same thing from the stories in
06:50:56.000the bible as it pertains to white people and it's it's uh mental gymnastics for me to to observe
06:51:03.120anything else but we we don't dive into that because if if and i've heard mama peacock i'm not going to
06:51:10.560defend her here what i'm saying is that as an example she has uh explicitly said white people
06:51:19.360cannot be around brown people because this is a uh a clear racial issue that will destroy our people
06:51:30.560right so this is that she would be contradicting then her religion in in this argument that we're
06:51:38.480having she that's contradicting her religion is it not based on the conversation we're having
06:51:43.600oh i don't know of an all-white moss but here's i mean here's the thing i didn't ask that i asked i
06:51:49.200asked about that that that question right there i'm just i want to answer to that so we can just like
06:51:54.720put a bow on and we can move on to that but isn't that a contradictory statement based on what we're
06:52:00.480talking about she says that white people cannot live among brown people because it will destroy
06:52:06.640their race is this uh is this contradictory to her religion in that respect or what's your take
06:52:14.320it absolutely would be all right all right it's fair we can move on there yeah the quran is pretty
06:52:20.160explicit on that that it's not racial so she's she's she's a better white person than she is a
06:52:26.320muslim right because this is what words come out of her mouth at least in this sphere and i'm just using
06:52:31.920an example i would really like to move on because i think this is a terrible topic for 1488 uh where
06:52:41.360being anti-muslim is a great way to uh secure the 14 words but to uh to try to dissect islam
06:52:52.880and not dissect christianity which christianity is uh impacting our people much more than islam is or no
06:53:01.920well i would say they're impacting them in different ways i would say that there's a lot of
06:53:10.880there's a lot of christians who've done a lot of meaningful activism uh myself included and that um
06:53:20.640look for instance i'm a big fan of devin stack okay devin stack grew up mormon he's been doing some
06:53:27.520streams lately where he's diving into the christian question if you will and i enjoy listening to those
06:53:35.920as a christian and i do i enjoy them because he's pressing on very important issues about where
06:53:47.520christianity is at now without doing so in a demeaning or belittling way to the christian uh listener
06:53:58.000so like tact and delivery is everything and you know my my main thing here
06:54:06.800with trying to keep away from the theological debates is mainly because
06:54:11.360you know pagans and christians infighting with each other over theology doesn't build the white unity at
06:54:17.440every opportunity but i'm pretty sure like as far as you know this radio show goes like i'm allowed to
06:54:24.400be a panelist as a pro-white christian who has shown that my actions are pro-white but i don't
06:54:33.680think that there would ever be a panelist on this show that is a pro-white muslim or a pro-white but
06:54:40.880non-ethnic but converted jew but didn't we have one that claimed to be and we were very dismissive of
06:54:48.640her instead of um kind of the question here's what i would like to ask you steve because you are you are a
06:54:55.200man who reaches out and has a lot of empathy for our lost white people do you do you look at a lost white
06:55:04.960person who uh identifies as a muslim uh more or less um convertible than a than a white person who is
06:55:20.560you know supporting like israel or no king's day stuff like what
06:55:28.960is are they convertible or are they are they once they're
06:55:32.080they're identify as a muslim they're just lost to you or that's
06:55:36.480what's your i mean i wouldn't say that they're lost to me i just wouldn't know how to save them
06:55:42.640that's fair that's fair i just you know when it comes to you know white opportunity or white unity at every opportunity
06:55:48.960uh it's interesting hard line and i get some people have i i don't know any muslims i don't i don't have
06:55:55.840any muslims around me whatsoever i've never interacted with any so somebody who has may have a very different
06:56:03.920outlook on this than than i do um but i i just don't have any familiarity i just wanted to kind of see where
06:56:10.080the where the principle was there uh ferry go ahead yeah so there's like comparing islam to christianity
06:56:18.640in the european context is just ludicrous man and i'm not a christian but like i'll go to bat right
06:56:24.160here and just be like man it's been 2 000 years give or take that christianity has been in european
06:56:31.280society it was the dominant religion of our people for 1500 years during our greatest period of expansion
06:56:39.120um in history and it's inherently white coded so as as like obviously there's issues with it in modernity
06:56:49.760and there's been issues with it in the past but to say that um you know it's the same as islam or you
06:56:55.520can't see the difference just like that's not historically accurate it's not genuine it's also a straw man because i didn't make that argument
06:57:03.120well what you did it's in her bio it's in her bio that muslims are non-trinitarian christians and i was
06:57:09.920like that's that's her yeah that's her cognitive dissonance i'm just saying that i haven't made you
06:57:14.080did make that yes you did you put it in this you put it in the same category as islam i said if we're
06:57:19.920going yeah it's it's over a line of theological debate that would bring in a then but that's my point
06:57:27.200about that it's obviously not because christianity especially in the catholic context until very
06:57:34.160recently is inherently european coded and that goes down to like the very you know fundamental aspects
06:57:39.920of the religion from the dates you know the important holy days to all these things like
06:57:43.920this was something that merged with with you know previous heathen societies and yeah so the the idea
06:57:52.240that islam is on is even in remotely in the same category or that that's even like a comparable
06:57:57.360theological argument is just i don't know to me that's like just dismissive that's there but the
06:58:03.760the other the other aspect of this too is that um like this is a real problem that we have and it's
06:58:12.160something that we should address which is like we have to stop we have to recognize that islam is being
06:58:19.600pushed on our people and it's being done uh most predominantly to our young men and like i'll give
06:58:27.200you an example there's a kid from canada his name's tyson hawkley he kind of gets some things he doesn't
06:58:34.480really get other things but he's built himself like a little following um you know 30 something
06:58:39.280thousand subscribers on youtube and you know 30 something thousand followers on twitter and he's 17 years
06:58:46.080old and he's been spun over to this like he's considered i don't know if he did but he's considered
06:58:52.240converting to islam um he constantly is defending islam and it's because he um you know has listened
06:58:59.760to people like andrew tate and sneko and you know these other influencers and that in turn has made him
06:59:06.400anti-white the influence of these these muslims you know from the manosphere is having an incredibly
06:59:13.040detrimental effect on particularly our young men and like we see this with things like whether it's
06:59:18.560the gripers who have like this kind of islamic sympathy or you you know you'll often hear this
06:59:24.400from like the incel zoomer crowd types right um where they do the whole like islam thing and it's
06:59:30.800becoming you know like islam is right about women or whatever and it's becoming less ironic and more
06:59:36.800literal and so addressing this problem like that we have to stop tolerating it it's it's not something
06:59:45.280that should be collected on that on that right there that's um is when ht is having some of his
06:59:52.640discussions there's an argument that's made for well if you're going to try to uh talk somebody out of
07:00:00.560the thing what's to replace it and i would say that that kind of principle does apply to the the
07:00:05.760problem that you're remarking here as well uh is that that's that's my argument that's my chief
07:00:11.120art that's one of my chief get in here radio what you got it's actually george lincoln rockwell's
07:00:16.320argument well no i mean i think i've refined it i mean i i know rockwell's take on it but um rockwell
07:00:22.400also kind of sidestepped it so ideologically spiritually theologically rockwell sort of let well enough
07:00:28.480alone and he kind of kicked the can down the road whereas pierce his strategy was a true
07:00:34.000rip and replacement he said these abrahamic religions are anti-white christianity is extremely
07:00:40.160jewish uh here's cosmotheism so those are two distinctive strategies and approaches and i think
07:00:48.320one of the things i think is problematic when you're attacking somebody's personal theology and
07:00:52.480spirituality a there's it's extremely personal it's usually moral it's usually familial
07:00:57.600and b it's if you're not going to inevitably by default people assume if you're pagan woteness
07:01:06.000pre-christian and you're attacking christianity the the natural linear thinking would say well if you're
07:01:13.280going to try to if you're anti this and you believe uh paganism then i feel like a lot of guys stop short
07:01:22.400of just saying why don't you just adopt my worldview because if you just use the propaganda analogy if you
07:01:27.440use the the ideological analogy it fits perfectly and that's long my big contention is why not just
07:01:34.240go the full measure like when we ideologically propagandize people we are fully trying to
07:01:38.720indoctrinate them and convert them to our worldview and our ideological position there's
07:01:43.360sort of a half measure with this being purely anti-abrahamism without offering some sort of suitable
07:01:49.680replacement and it's usually does that make sense i i have it i really wasn't prepared to talk about this
07:01:54.960this this is not the space we usually get into this but um i i've thought through this and i just feel
07:02:00.080like trying to take a criticize without something to replace it that is uh sufficient i feel like
07:02:07.600is a bit of a blind spot with some of these more deeper guys who want more and um like people are
07:02:14.720converting to fairy's point people are converting to islam because they they they because they think tate's
07:02:19.680based and they think tate is sufficiently anti-woman and he's masculine and he put he puts hoes in their
07:02:25.840place and he doesn't really push that's my fucking point he doesn't necessarily push islam but he is islamic
07:02:36.080so do you see the gap in not having a sufficient replacement they automatically align with islamists
07:02:42.720because tate's an islamist and he's fucking they think that he's based so that's literally a case
07:02:49.120in point that just reinforces my entire argument and again i don't think about this shit as much as
07:02:54.320some other guys do i will fully admit that this is not my wheelhouse or my lane but i think that the
07:02:59.280ideological scenario is a perfect comparison of why are we not doing the same approach if guys are going
07:03:05.920to go down the 18 and the anti-abrahamic path and they're going to be anti-christian why not just
07:03:10.880fucking own it and say i think wotenism is is the way to go that's my personal theology and spiritual
07:03:16.080belief system i think that i have a better way we do the exact same thing ideologically
07:03:22.640can i ask a question here radio isn't isn't the argument being made that um that islam is is taking
07:03:31.120our young men and and the same thing we don't we're we're arguing but we don't have a sufficient
07:03:37.360replacement for what these men are looking for right we we are missing something here ideologically
07:03:43.840we're just saying well you can't be that or you're rejected but we're not offering you or you can have
07:03:49.120this christianity you can do this christian thing if that's if you need something but they're not
07:03:54.400attracted to it they're not attracted to christianity because it's entirely cut like all the institutions
07:04:00.560are cocked so i've talked about this before the thing that draws people in like the thing that
07:04:07.600attracts people is strength okay particularly when it comes to things like religion and politics
07:04:13.600so if you are not projecting strength if you are projecting weakness people are not interested in
07:04:20.160it and they will start gravitating towards something that does project strength and so that that's why you
07:04:25.440have these converts it's why you know what for the love of christ it's why as much as i hate to say this
07:04:31.680it's why so many women are fucking race mixing because our men are projecting weakness and then we have
07:04:38.480these other foreigners walk into our lands and just do whatever the fuck they want and if you understand
07:04:44.400female psychology that's fucking attractive to them i don't care like i don't care if that hurts your feelings or you
07:04:49.760don't like that opinion that's the fucking truth the reason you're seeing some fucking polish girl
07:04:54.400walking down the street with a fucking brown is because they're projecting strength and conquest and
07:04:59.440we're projecting retreat and surrender that's why they're that's why it's happening so when it comes to
07:05:06.240that that's the christianity aspect of it but what radio was getting at is also correct which is
07:05:11.280there's this issue of attack it does not matter what you're attacking we can use christianity here is
07:05:15.920the example attacking something attacking an institution um because you don't like it without
07:05:22.800a suitable replacement is something that is inherently leftist coded okay that's that's
07:05:29.360deconstructivism that's leftism that's communism it's bolshevism march whatever you want to call it
07:05:34.960that's exactly what that is rip it down because i don't like it i don't know what we're going to
07:05:39.440replace it with but i'm sure it will be better than whatever we tear down which is obviously incorrect
07:05:44.320that always leads to something worse and this i've made this argument for example with when it comes
07:05:49.200to the monarchy in the uk and you know people reject the crown and they don't like um you know
07:05:54.800the royal family or whatever and they're like just get rid of the king get rid of the monarchy and it's
07:05:58.880like why would we destroy a you know 1500 year old institution because you don't like the current
07:06:07.120family's politics like that's such a like a leftist iconoclastic thing to do you always have to and
07:06:12.720this this is exactly right i'm glad you know that's that you agree you always have to offer
07:06:17.520a replacement well pierce figured this out quickly pierce was a formerly trained astrophysicist
07:06:23.440smart guy lincoln was a smart guy jill always was a highly underrated intellectual but pierce was a
07:06:29.360true intellectual and he saw a clear problem if he's going to go if he's going to just claim and
07:06:33.920proclaim that christianity is jewish and anti-white and there's a strong argument made there that that's
07:06:38.080true he created his own religion which is no small feat was it popular successful does it exist
07:06:44.080much to this day not really but he created his own complete one-to-one theological spiritual
07:06:51.600religious replacement and he tried to institutionalize it was it wildly successful
07:06:56.480no because you're trying to uproot and replace a multi-millennial entrenched bureaucracy but that i
07:07:01.920can at least get behind that and understand that it just feels like a half measure when you don't
07:07:07.680have a suitable or just substantive replacement and that goes on the ideological side so i just wish
07:07:14.720there was the same depth on the theological and spiritual and religious side and the same fervor on on
07:07:21.840finding a suitable long-term replacement as there is on the ideological side and that's why my lane is
07:07:27.360and will continue to be more ideological that's that's my lane that's my comfort zone you guys won't
07:07:32.320a lot of people won't like this but i think in regards to like what radio brought up cosmo see what was
07:07:39.440it cosmo yeah cosmo the theism um you know hermetic alchemy spiritual alchemy these things are also
07:07:49.600inherently european and if we're looking at things like hermetic alchemy right the alchemists had to move
07:07:57.280in silence using the language of symbols in order to present spiritual truths amongst themselves
07:08:04.400and i would argue that it wasn't the church that brought about revelations and wonders within the
07:08:10.960golden ages but it were it was the hidden mystery schools of these higher thinkers of these individuals
07:08:19.120that had to move in silence and have these in-depth spiritual conversations through letters that were
07:08:25.680coded in symbols um if you look at for example freemasonry and the wonders that freemasonry brought
07:08:34.240in regard to building churches all across europe it it wasn't because they were participants in the church
07:08:42.800that they came to those higher truths and brought these amazing um feats of architecture to to us so i would
07:08:52.640say that the answer and the replacement is still funded is still found within our european history
07:09:00.720it's just that european history has been suppressed and bogged down by these giant institutions that
07:09:06.560crave power and wealth people refuse to look into any other answers outside of it and it in all honesty
07:09:14.240it's it's kind of frustrating because i i know we don't talk theology here but god's staring at every
07:09:21.600single one of us in the face it just takes you looking into it and it's not necessarily going to be
07:09:27.360found within the confines of any given ideology it's there it's there guys the replacement is here it's
07:09:35.200always been here do you want it or do you don't are you willing to take a risk are you willing to put the
07:09:40.960time into it are you willing to sacrifice 30 minutes of your day to do a deep dive in something
07:09:46.080you never heard of before because if not then we're going to continue to be ruled by these
07:09:51.760fucking retards all right steve go ahead man your hands up and then let's get some other hands too here
07:09:58.880yeah i completely agree with uh ferryman on um you know projecting strength and is an attraction for
07:10:07.040people to ideologies whether it's political or spiritual um and both uh ferryman and radio
07:10:15.280touched on this more so radio about having a suitable replacement like do i agree with fit side up
07:10:20.880on spirituality no but do i respect him yeah absolutely because when he comes up and he does
07:10:28.560counter signal christianity he at least has uh a suitable replacement even if i disagree with it
07:10:36.240same thing with uh ron murray you know being a church of the creator guy um they're not just
07:10:42.640trying to deconstruct one thing they they are trying to convert you over to another white religion and
07:10:50.160so i can have respect for that even if i disagree with them um you know do i wish that and not to
07:10:58.080say that they were perfect back then but do i wish that the christians of today were more like
07:11:02.400the christians of the kkk absolutely is that something that we need to to solve for absolutely
07:11:10.480do i necessarily know the winning recipe success on how to do that no i'm trying to figure it out
07:11:16.720um but i think for a lot of the the white christians out there you're gonna have to
07:11:24.640be able to reform the world view i mean some of them you can convert them out of it and if you can
07:11:33.360look i'd rather save the white race and save christianity that's where i'm at um but for the
07:11:39.440ones that can't be converted out of it you have to reform their view of christianity to something that is
07:11:46.560pro-white and whether that's christian identity whether it's just um you know a more
07:11:55.920uh white version you know less cocked version of christianity whether that's a catholic or protestant
07:12:02.480one then then that's the play right and different plays are going to work for different people
07:12:09.200um but yeah i i don't see uh islam as being compatible with white society and it's not a
07:12:19.040white religion and people can say like oh well christianity was born in in the levan and all this
07:12:25.040well europeans have had more influence on christianity than christianity uh has had on europeans so it is
07:12:32.320a white religion at this point yeah i i agree with that to a point steve but i wouldn't one i'm even as
07:12:38.320a christian i wouldn't want to go so far as to claim christianity of today as a white religion
07:12:43.520because it's so fucked off and full of you know of cucks i mean this is kind of uh that's that's
07:12:52.160well well they call it christianity i'd call it universal but they do right it's and we had this
07:12:58.400discussion slightly on white uh on lunch uh white power lunch hour yesterday which is you know is the
07:13:05.600nature of baloney right baloney and it's pure form is a great meat right baloney and it's oscar meyer
07:13:13.360form is still called baloney and it's what people think of when you say baloney so this is this is
07:13:19.600one of the issues that we deal with here right so did you do a lunch meat metaphor is that that just
07:13:25.760i just i just crushed i just crushed the room and me and steve are now on the same page again with my
07:13:30.960lunch meat uh metaphor so watch out bro i got i got i got tricks on the chat today boys my uh my
07:13:40.400is uh is showing how much of a dad he is he's he's going full dad my lunch pail is full okay i i come
07:13:48.320with i come to white power lunch hour with a full lunch pail um yeah um no yeah go ahead one drive
07:13:54.640yeah so uh the full disclosure i have been hot and cold on the church my whole life it's it's it's
07:14:04.080just you know all the priest kids stuff in the 90s i'll give it can you hear me okay yep yeah you're
07:14:13.760coming in loud and then you know just um the the the fucking cuckery and the woke is i'm so
07:14:21.840so despite my profile pic which i felt was the most offensive one i could find for jews um
07:14:31.200i i i am more spiritual than than than you know more religious than religious 100 um
07:14:42.320um so i i think the um the replacement observation i think that was a really smart observation and it
07:14:50.640made me think you know what in terms of a replacement i think one of the things that you know when i
07:14:56.320did go to church um you know it was uh you know the local church uh friends and neighbors and and that
07:15:04.720community within a community um i enjoyed um and i think that you know in terms of a replacement and
07:15:12.640i'll pose it as a question because i don't know that's if it is a question is that part of the
07:15:19.200replacement you've got this community here that will welcome you with open arms and we love our people
07:15:26.160um and then you're kind of you know on your own in terms of higher power we really don't you know
07:15:34.160i don't know i don't know if that's undefined yet or or what or or maybe that's sort of in that's
07:15:39.440evolving and that's um coalescing into um that that higher power because i do believe in a higher power
07:15:46.480um at least that much so i don't know i'm throwing it out there in terms of replacement community plus
07:15:51.840some undefined belief in a higher power is to attract you know especially the younger people
07:15:57.760right um so yeah i'll leave it there and uh love to hear your feedback thank you well you know one
07:16:05.040tribe i would argue that service to your race is a religious endeavor it is a spiritual endeavor
07:16:17.760right acts of charity um plans for the future right these are these are things that are tenants
07:16:25.360of the church right you you plan for the future because you're planning for the afterlife acts of
07:16:30.640charity helping the poor or so on and so forth you know i know the argument that race is my religion
07:16:37.840doesn't sound very deep but if you choose to look at it and try to dive deep and meditate on well what
07:16:46.720does it mean that race is my religion well that means that you are going to replicate religious
07:16:53.200tenants in regards to how you view race and how you serve your race so i would say like i made a little
07:17:01.680bit earlier is that we have the replacement right in front of us the only argument that i i would have
07:17:08.640is that we haven't found the proper unified front and messaging to replace it but i i would honest to god
07:17:18.320say that if somebody says race is my religion it makes complete sense you have ancestors involved you have
07:17:27.280future kin involved you have acts of service to your people you have spiritual connection as means of bridging
07:17:36.000communities and community building etc etc etc this is what the church offers you the church offers you
07:17:43.440everything that i just mentioned except you're flipping the script instead of serving four walls in an
07:17:49.600institution you're serving your folk you're serving your people for a better future for the 14 words
07:17:56.640perfectly stated all right donovan then wilhelm go ahead yeah okay so for me it is the white power
07:18:10.240brotherhood it is natural law and then it is i'm getting interested in the church of creation
07:18:18.560so you know i don't know the idea of like you need a replacement like i i don't i'm not replacing
07:18:25.360anything i guess i'm just finding this um in my uneducated like uh perspective what i've seen
07:18:33.280of christianity is they are not on my side and islam even more so um so yeah that's just like
07:18:42.880ferriman's talking about strength and power it's like yeah i mean i've lacked that so it's like i'm trying to find a
07:18:50.320a trying to find a vehicle in which i can articulate to other people a way and a method that does make us
07:19:02.400powerful so that's that's where i'm at i'm wondering what you guys think
07:19:10.400all right wilhelm if you want to get in on that or what we were talking about before go ahead
07:19:15.520oh just uh in regards to like wotanism and uh christianity being uh you know offering being
07:19:24.000like an offering someone that you're trying to like you know convert to your world's view uh offering
07:19:30.320them a religion so to speak like whether it be christianity or wotanism well like you can't really
07:19:37.040offer uh wotanism to someone because then it just sort of devolves into what christianity is
07:19:43.360and people sort of view uh i mean most pagans most pagans these days sort of like treat paganism
07:19:50.800like they do christianity and it is sort of um it's like a polluted religion i mean it's not really
07:19:58.320meant to be a religion you know what i mean so there's that there's a quote it's uh the god that people
07:20:05.040choose uh shows whether they are the type to be led or whether they are the type to lead
07:20:12.080and wotanism is um it's sort of a more individual individualistic uh aristocratic
07:20:19.520religion whereas christianity is a um an inclusive uh universalist religion so
07:20:28.320people are just going to choose what they want at the end of the day you can't really convert someone
07:20:32.080to like uh to wotanism and but you can definitely convert more more people to christianity because it is
07:20:40.320most people want to be led and as freeman was saying that people respond to strength
07:20:46.160and uh whether they see uh strength in a leader they um or whether they find the strength within
07:20:53.840themselves uh most people will start off you know in wotanism and paganism and find their way through it
07:21:01.120and uh the the the best possible outcome from that from finding wotan and the uh germanic gods and uh
07:21:10.080the old gods is being is saying that i don't i'm not a pagan and i don't follow a religion whereas most
07:21:16.960people today the most people that i see um sort of pushing for paganism and wotanism in this in this
07:21:24.800movement if you want to call it that um don't really view it that way they treat it like a
07:21:30.320religion you can ask them you know what are the gods and they say oh the gods are real the gods are
07:21:35.360real and it's like well what how how are the gods real do you see them um personified in yourself or do
07:21:41.760you see them uh as like a man in the sky as uh sort of christians view jesus or the the one god sort of
07:21:50.320things so i think that's just uh you know if you're going to try and convert someone to you
07:21:56.080to your world's view you don't you sort of have to keep it secular and you have to keep religion
07:22:02.480out of it i mean they're going to find as i said they're going to find what they want at the end of
07:22:06.640the day when it comes to religion and um you know wotanism and paganism is uh is exclusive it's an
07:22:16.480exclusive thing it's imagine if the whole world where i imagine if everyone followed wotan or if
07:22:23.040everyone praised wotan and did all this shit and did all that and made sacrifices it would just be
07:22:28.000stupid it's just fucking it's lame so you know i i think it's sort of like a bit of a moot point
07:22:34.640or a moot argument trying to um you know the whole thing is just a bit i don't know i think it's a bit
07:22:41.760regressive so uh yeah i don't know if anyone feels the same way but yeah i i mean i i identify with
07:22:52.160some of those points there uh brian go ahead yeah thanks um yeah i was saying like or i was thinking
07:22:59.360like do we think the word religion was a white creation or a jewish creation
07:23:06.080jewish so then why are we talking my instincts say jewish so why are we talking about religion
07:23:23.920oh um i guess we had a white lady who came in with some islamic sympathizing messages on her
07:23:31.680and posting it playing this whole conversation who cares well we're talking about it because uh
07:23:38.160because the uh my co-host and and ferryman um had strong opinions about it uh and then to be honest
07:23:45.920an opinion about a jewish i had features wait wait we raised hands here brian hang on um i had uh wanted
07:23:52.960to move on from this for a long time but since we're we're all the way down this road i do want to add
07:23:59.440for me and i identify as a christian because i've listened uh to enough i kind of searched my soul
07:24:05.360and and but i don't identify as a christian in any sense that it exists today right so christianity has
07:24:12.800no home for me right which is why for most of my life i i didn't identify as a christian because
07:24:19.840it was it's it's a religion that i've never in my entire 45 years ever thought was based like this
07:24:30.480whole thing is filled with uh dispensationalism uh end of times rapture uh you know beheadings um you
07:24:43.040you must convert or die uh and and to be honest that's what i got you know and people are like
07:24:47.840well that's not christianity well i don't know christianity today that that fits a version that
07:24:53.360i would find agreeable so it goes back to the the baloney standpoint right the baloney is what it is
07:25:01.600when you say baloney to me i imagine oscar meyer baloney i have no idea what other kind of baloney
07:25:08.080you're talking about you're like oh no that's not real baloney and you're the only one who has real
07:25:12.880baloney everybody else's baloney is full of cucks is full of retards has pastors preaching end of times
07:25:22.000gog magog so when we come to identifying christianity we have to be honest with ourselves when we say
07:25:28.880christianity we can't say well my version of christianity that i believe in is the one i'm talking
07:25:34.400about we have to take a look at what modern christianity is today and say that's actually
07:25:39.200what christianity is and unless you have a replacement for that you're stuck with that at
07:25:45.200this point and and i think that's the most honest take uh i can give uh if you got any rebuttal on it
07:25:51.040but i do i'm really uh ready to move on from uh from like i don't know i don't know why i don't know
07:25:58.880why we let this go as long as we did like the point wasn't theological it's islam is not compatible
07:26:04.560with european society simple as closed case so like muslim converts absolutely rejected from
07:26:11.680that's fine i don't think that's an opinion i think that's basic pro-white i get it that's what that's
07:26:18.560when people have strongly held opinions sometimes they think they're facts i'm not going to disagree
07:26:22.240with you i don't think we need to debate that any further because we can just agree to disagree and
07:26:26.080that's the easier way to get off of this subject we can just what do you say you you disagree that
07:26:32.320muslims should like should be included in pro-white positions like you think that so let me ask you
07:26:37.280this then because like it would no i don't i i don't then why are we agreeing to disagree on on all
07:26:45.040things islam and again because i don't know any muslims you do you know you mentioned tyler hockley
07:26:51.200there's a lot there's a lot we can go down i don't think it's productive but here's here's my
07:26:56.000question would you rather have a pro-white muslim which you don't think exists i get that but
07:27:01.920in this scenario would you rather have a pro-white muslim or a race mixing christian
07:27:08.240neither they can both die yeah exactly it's neither i'm in that boat too but but it but you
07:27:15.680that's not the question the question is which one would you rather have if you had to have one
07:27:19.680there's only two choices both both of these are yeah like this this like there we go so we get
07:27:27.440you know so we can just it's it's an dude it's an impossible question to answer and honestly
07:27:34.400i would oh man this is if i had to choose one
07:27:39.600fuck that is a tough question man i don't i honestly can't even answer it like to me they're the same
07:27:44.400i appreciate that i appreciate that that's that's tough enough but but that's kind of it and that's
07:27:50.160where i'll leave it i'm okay with that let's let's dearly move on i i've wanted to move on since we
07:27:55.600started uh you know purity spiraling about this that's the way i'm gonna put it we don't have to
07:28:00.800agree let's go uh fix go ahead so you got to look at someone who's a convert a white person who converts
07:28:11.520to muslim or to be islam right they're gonna be pretty well read more well read than they were
07:28:17.840as a christian because most of the things people learn about christianity is when they're young
07:28:22.640and let's be honest they're not going to grow up reading the bible so they're not gonna they're not
07:28:26.240going to be as invested right and the biggest problem i have with with a muslim convert is that
07:28:35.280islam is a universal religion that doesn't make room for racial identity it really doesn't it's just
07:28:41.040kind of it's the same it's the same critique i have with all abrahamic religions but the difference
07:28:46.400between a christian who grew up christian and a muslim who or a muslim convert is the christian
07:28:53.280probably never read his bible and so i can talk to him and we are going to have similar views about
07:29:00.080what we're observing because they're not really working from a christian worldview or moral system
07:29:04.720they're working from a secular mix with christian morale you know american moral system is what we
07:29:10.800can call it for this conversation and so it's easier to to talk to them because they don't really
07:29:17.280know what the bible says anyways but when it comes to a muslim convert they're gonna fucking know the
07:29:22.160quran mostly like why would you convert uh to to be a muslim if you don't fucking read the quran as an
07:29:29.920adult right and so you're dealing with someone who's coming from a strict islamic worldview
07:29:38.080and a moral system and that moral system is anti-white in nature because it doesn't have room
07:29:44.560for race and racial identity right and that's really bad and i'm not i don't think we should write
07:29:52.160them off we should do our best to save them bring back to being pro-white and find freya because that's
07:29:57.040the true past but other than that other than that you have to look at the uh the person what how
07:30:03.920hardcore they're going to be about the beliefs and there's nothing in abrahamism that makes you pro-white
07:30:08.800or uh race first right and so therefore you're going to be dealing with someone who's really devout
07:30:16.080who's really educated in their religion and trying to un-deprogram that to make them pro-white
07:30:22.480so it's going to be really fucking hard and what the normal christian who just grew up in the faith
07:30:28.880it's probably is going to be easy to deal with because they never actually read the bible like
07:30:32.640the normal average christian has never read the fucking bible and so they're they just have american
07:30:38.640moral politics and you can deal with that easily you can show them you can bring to the fold because
07:30:44.320they're not really invested in as someone who has studied spent uh hours reading the quran and that's
07:30:52.080my two cents on the situation all right so clarification there if somebody identifies as a muslim
07:31:01.760it we are putting a certain assumption in there of how devout they are and how right if they're a
07:31:09.600convert if they're a convert if there's someone who grew up in america right well this yeah it begs
07:31:16.160it begs a lot of questions that's all i'm getting at like just uh you know there is an onion to peel
07:31:22.240there uh we don't need to do it but you know you would agree with that right there's uh well yeah not not
07:31:30.080what shoe doesn't fit all but like the if if you're gonna get a white man who is who grows up as an
07:31:37.040adult and then he starts studying the quran and then he converts he's probably going to be
07:31:41.280very invested and very knowledgeable about the quran and so his moral system is going to be more
07:31:47.120aligned with the islamist religion and in islam just like all abrahamic religions it doesn't make
07:31:53.920room for race or all being pro-white you know the old testament has several verses forbidden race mixing
07:32:02.000deuteronomy libiticus genesis it's very racial well again like those are the uh that's the old
07:32:09.200old part but the point the point when i'm making about the quran is there are universal religions that
07:32:14.880in which you can uh marry whoever is in the faith and it's essentially christian you can only marry in
07:32:19.760the faith not in your race right it doesn't really say that and but my point is is that someone who converts
07:32:25.520as an adult to islam is probably going to be more invested and more knowledgeable about the quran
07:32:31.840than a christian who just grew up as identifying as christian and so they're easier to talk to and
07:32:38.000they're easier to win over but someone who's working from this set of rules is going to be a whole dynamic