Action4Canada - October 09, 2026


Pastor Webinar with Matt Trewhella on "The Doctrine Of The Lesser Magistrates"

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00:00:00.000 All right.
00:00:21.540 Welcome, everyone, to this very important pastor's webinar with Pastor Matt Trewella.
00:00:29.100 and today is Thursday, what is it now, September the 24th and I just want to welcome everyone to
00:00:38.940 this webinar and so before we get started I just want to say a quick opening prayer. We have our
00:00:46.460 founder of Action for Canada, Tanya Gosch, she's actually in court beginning right this moment
00:00:53.520 in Vancouver. As some of you may know, we have had a class action lawsuit going for almost six
00:01:00.520 years now against the federal and provincial government with regards to COVID mandates.
00:01:06.820 Believe it or not, that's still going on. And we are the only organization in all of Canada that
00:01:12.620 still has something on the tables and on the books with that. And with everything that's been going
00:01:19.240 on in the United States. I think the timing is great. The opposition has had numbers, numerous
00:01:25.300 motions to strike. And so this is their, what we're hoping is their last attempt. And if the
00:01:32.120 justice says, you know what, this is too important to let go, then the motion will continue and we'll
00:01:37.700 actually have our day in court. So let's just open up in prayer and ask the Lord to bless
00:01:43.760 this event, as well as our next event here with Pastor Matt Troella. So Heavenly Father,
00:01:50.820 thank you so much for this opportunity that we have to have our special guest, Pastor Matt,
00:01:55.100 from the United States. And we just pray that you'll bless this information that we'll be
00:02:00.040 sharing today. Let it be of encouragement to our hearts. And Lord, I also pray that you will just
00:02:05.760 bless Tanya and the team that are in court right now. I pray, Lord, that you will just
00:02:10.960 let justice reign in the court in Vancouver. And may your name be glorified there. We ask in Jesus
00:02:18.600 name. Amen. Amen. All right. So if any of you don't know me, my name is Pastor Dan Vashon. I'm
00:02:26.280 the National Church and Pastor Coordinator with Action for Canada. And I'm actually located in
00:02:32.660 Nova Scotia, Canada and Cape Breton Island, God's country. And it's an honor to be with you here
00:02:38.260 today. Now, just before we let Pastor Matt Troella loose, I want to just share my screen for just a
00:02:44.280 moment. In case that you are new to A4C, I want to just show you just a couple of things here.
00:02:54.840 You can find our website at actionforcanada.com. Let me just go to our homepage here for a moment
00:03:03.260 because a lot of things have been going on
00:03:06.260 and we have a ton, a ton of resources for you.
00:03:10.200 Tanya has been at this for, well, since 2015,
00:03:14.940 but officially since 2019, she launched Action for Canada.
00:03:18.840 And as you can see from all the tabs
00:03:20.240 that we have at the top here,
00:03:21.460 we have a lot of different things that you can find.
00:03:24.080 You can navigate through our website here.
00:03:27.520 We have at the very bottom here, most popular pages.
00:03:31.140 These are quick links with regards to some of the things that we have been dealing with, our current issues as well.
00:03:38.460 Just a little plug here. You see food security.
00:03:40.960 I have I also known as Prepper Dan and I do a series of videos, both available here in Rumble and YouTube on basically how to prepare, prepare for difficult days.
00:03:53.320 We have an incredible, incredible homeschool department led by Doris Livingstone.
00:03:58.640 And if there's a time today for homeschooling, today is the time.
00:04:04.060 Every Wednesday, we have Empower Hours.
00:04:06.760 Yesterday, we just had Dallas Brody.
00:04:09.180 If any of you live in BC, you know the state that you're in there in British Columbia.
00:04:14.700 And so Dallas Brody is the leader of 1BC.
00:04:18.160 And I believe that there will be an election.
00:04:20.260 I think the election just got called there a couple of days ago.
00:04:23.140 And so you'll want to just check out the Empower Hour that we just had there with Dallas Brody.
00:04:29.080 But every Wednesday at 4.30 PST, we have incredible guests there.
00:04:35.640 And you can find all kinds of our guests.
00:04:38.520 We had Ted Koontz from Vaccine Choice Canada just last week.
00:04:42.440 We had John Leak, who worked very, very closely with Dr. Peter McCullough the week before.
00:04:48.460 and then again speaking about our legal battle that is is going on right now and of course with
00:04:54.900 our incredible lawyer Rocco Galati and then Dr. Charles and I can go on and on there but
00:05:00.840 just you can find that on our website as well. Moving along here to some of our resources we
00:05:08.760 have quick tabs here that you can find all kinds of information here but I especially want to point
00:05:14.800 to you here one that may be interesting to you if you're in in uh in ministry is our church uh
00:05:21.380 church resources tab because our mission here uh we don't just do uh you know political issues or
00:05:29.940 current issues but uh we have an incredible department where we want to equip the church
00:05:34.860 to handle the current issues in a biblical way and our mission is to exhort equip and make disciples
00:05:41.700 We equip pastors to equip your congregations to deal with these hot button issues today
00:05:49.120 because pastors are so busy and, you know, it's a full time job just to prepare your
00:05:53.680 messages and and counsel your people and and, you know, run the ministries of your church.
00:05:59.860 And so we have established chapters across Canada and a lot of our chapters meet in churches
00:06:04.380 in small groups and they will specialize in different topics of hand.
00:06:09.220 And so we're kind of like a bridge type ministry where, you know, we equip people to handle some of these hot button issues.
00:06:17.820 But our church resource page has a lot of different information with regards to how we can equip you and how we can work with you.
00:06:28.540 Every year we have a prayer walk for revival that goes from Pentecost.
00:06:33.800 Sorry, from from Passover to Pentecost.
00:06:37.120 We've done it for four years now, for seven weeks.
00:06:39.900 And let me tell you, we've got videos on here that will show you some of our groups in it
00:06:44.600 coast to coast.
00:06:45.140 It has been such a blessing to be able to pray for our national leaders, our municipal
00:06:51.800 leaders, our provincial leaders.
00:06:54.280 And it has really joined churches together in communities and as people have gathered
00:07:00.740 to really reclaim our country back for the Lord.
00:07:04.260 And we also have an incredible prayer department.
00:07:07.900 We have an email where people can just submit prayer emails to go out to our prayer chain.
00:07:13.880 And we probably have about 120, 130 people on that prayer chain.
00:07:18.000 But also every Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays, we have a group of about 20 to 30 people that gather for about an hour and a half.
00:07:26.240 And it's like a core team of Action for Canada.
00:07:29.400 It's like the hub.
00:07:30.440 And we pray specifically for our Action for Canada team members, our prayer requests, our departments.
00:07:37.460 And this is a real prayer warrior army.
00:07:40.080 And this has been going on also for four years.
00:07:42.680 And then also we have all kinds of programs that we run through this department, parenting conferences, family conferences, youth and leadership programs.
00:07:51.480 All right.
00:07:52.280 So then I mentioned our church webinars, too.
00:07:54.160 For those of you that are registered for this webinar today, you will be getting an email in the next day or two with this recorded webinar.
00:08:03.220 We're going to just edit it a little bit.
00:08:05.820 And for the past few webinars as well, you can access these on our church resource page under church webinars.
00:08:13.480 And we did take a little bit of a pause for some time.
00:08:16.860 And that's one of the reasons for that is because I, well, last winter I spent about 10 weeks in a hospital.
00:08:26.100 I was fairly sick. I pretty much almost died three times.
00:08:29.860 One time, you know, ambulance dispatch was telling my wife how to do CPR on me.
00:08:34.040 But I came down with, you know, pancreatic cancer and I had my pancreas and spleen removed and gallbladder and about six other internal organs.
00:08:43.180 And I really shouldn't be here. Really, I'm walking. Miracle.
00:08:46.220 but I now have an insulin pump and, you know, they said I never gained weight. You know,
00:08:52.020 I lost about 50, 55 pounds, but I've gained about 35 pounds of that. And people keep telling me I
00:08:57.420 look good. Now they're not telling me I'm good looking, but they say I look good. So I'm going
00:09:00.860 to go with that. Okay. And so now that I've gotten some of this strength back, you know,
00:09:05.340 we're getting back into the swing of things and we're going to, you know, as the Lord gives us
00:09:10.340 strength each and every day, we're going to keep up these webinars. Now on that, in just a few
00:09:14.300 moments i'm going to launch a poll because i would like to know when is the best day that we'd like
00:09:20.140 to have these webinars once a month but i'd like to know when is the best day of the week uh for
00:09:24.800 you to meet live the best time given your time zone and also if you have any topics that action
00:09:30.520 for canada can you know do some research and get some guests related to this uh we would like to
00:09:36.200 know that as well okay so just be on lookout for that poll as i launch it here in the next little
00:09:41.160 little bit next and last um i want to know um some of you may want to uh join action for canada
00:09:49.380 what's that all about how can you be involved some of you that are in ministry may say you know
00:09:54.460 i'm too busy to address some of these topics you're talking about but i may have people in
00:09:59.380 my church that may be interested in that and so we will work with you um you know we can set up
00:10:05.360 a bit of a chapter. And maybe it's like the 15 minute cities, or maybe it's, it's the SOGI
00:10:12.000 curriculums in your school, or maybe it's, it's, it's one of the topics that we have some of the
00:10:17.300 current issues. And so we will work with you in developing a team. We'll teach you how to do
00:10:22.260 research. We'll teach you like where your towns, communities are on certain issues and how to
00:10:28.240 address those in a biblical way. That's why we exist. All right. And so we, we want to work with
00:10:34.480 you on all of those things. So with our meeting today, we've asked Pastor Matt Truella because
00:10:43.000 he's well-versed in what the Bible says about handling tough issues when the government tries
00:10:48.200 to step in. And as you know, a few months ago, Bill C-9 was enacted. There were tens of thousands,
00:10:56.420 if not hundreds of thousands of letters, cards, phone calls, emails sent to our elected officials,
00:11:02.500 and it's like they just blew us off and a lot of clergy people reached out to us and said well what
00:11:07.920 what what should i fear how will this impact me and we have a personal experience to share with
00:11:15.640 you before we launch uh our our speaker today because back in june our our founder tanya god
00:11:23.320 received a phone call on a sunday evening at her door and it was the rcmp and uh i i just want to
00:11:30.180 I will put the link to this in the chat.
00:11:33.260 This is the two RCMP officers here.
00:11:36.520 Let me just go back here to the beginning.
00:11:40.760 Let me just, like I've got a sunset here.
00:11:43.580 But when you look at that gentleman here, I mean, he looks like he just crawled out of bed,
00:11:47.840 but he identified himself as a Royal Canadian Man of Police with his partner.
00:11:52.320 His partner never said a word in the whole eight-minute interview.
00:11:55.340 and they're basically saying somebody complained about something that you posted and we're here to
00:12:00.980 investigate you and you're not under arrest yet and he kept saying that well we're not taking you
00:12:06.560 away yet you're not under arrest yet so this is the thought police because they don't like what
00:12:13.100 you're posting this is kind of like what in the uk what's been happening so tanya's first reaction
00:12:18.200 was are you real like you don't even look like a cop look and like in our core meeting she was
00:12:24.080 telling us, look how frumpy this guy is. So she actually called the RCMP and said, so this is the
00:12:29.720 guy that showed up. This is his badge number. Is he real? Is this a real thing? And they're like,
00:12:34.380 yep, he's a real officer. And yep, what he's investigating is actually real. And so she was
00:12:41.360 shot. And so she kept saying, whatever you have, give it to me in writing. And he kept saying,
00:12:49.240 well, you know, do you want to come to the station and talk about it? She's like, no,
00:12:51.660 of course not. And so three months later, nothing ever came of it. And so on September the 10th,
00:12:58.700 she posted the interview because she recorded it. And as you can see right now, there's 1.6
00:13:04.180 million views just on her Twitter account. Since then, Tanya has done 12 or 14 interviews
00:13:10.560 with podcasters all across North America and Europe. And she's got invites to do even more.
00:13:18.660 it has gone all over the world. People are saying, what is going on in Canada since Bill C9 has passed?
00:13:28.140 And pastors are like, should we be afraid? How does this affect us?
00:13:34.920 And so I'm pleased today that we have asked Pastor Matt Troella to be our guest.
00:13:39.840 He's been a guest with us before. He spoke at one of our homeschooling webinars with Doris Day.
00:13:46.540 Sorry, Doris Day. Doris Livingstone. And that was very well received.
00:13:52.040 And then he was a guest on our Empower Hour a few months later.
00:13:55.900 Well, Pastor Matt Troella is the pastor and founder of Mercy Seat Christian Church in Wisconsin, just outside of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, I believe.
00:14:04.540 And so I'm going to be putting the link to his church as well.
00:14:08.520 And Pastor Matt has a number of good resources.
00:14:12.080 Many of them are downloadable, printable that you will benefit from.
00:14:17.460 And he's going to be speaking tonight or tonight, today.
00:14:22.660 I've had his book for quite some time.
00:14:25.060 As a matter of fact, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates.
00:14:27.520 We have referred to this book as Leadership in Action for Canada numerous times.
00:14:34.500 And I will also put the link to this in the chat, but it will also be in the video description that you will be getting.
00:14:41.420 So I highly, highly recommend that you get this book and you familiarize yourself with what exactly does this mean?
00:14:50.100 Who are the leaders over us?
00:14:52.380 How has God put them over us?
00:14:54.180 For what reason?
00:14:55.520 And what is our duty to them when they start ruling against what God has said?
00:15:04.120 You know, if they start telling us what to do that does not go with what God tells us to do.
00:15:11.420 So without any further ado, Pastor Matt, thank you so much for being with us today.
00:15:16.320 I want to just share with you that if you have any questions, I encourage you to put them in.
00:15:22.300 Let's see. Is there a Q&A? There is no Q&A, but you may want to put them in the chat.
00:15:27.580 But we will have a live Q&A at the end.
00:15:31.540 So maybe write down some questions and we will do a Q&A at the end.
00:15:35.740 So, Pastor Matt, thank you again for being with us.
00:15:38.200 God bless you. And we look forward to your presentation.
00:15:41.420 Thank you very much. And I'm glad you're still on this side of the river with us, Dan. God bless you.
00:15:48.940 And it's really good to be out with all the rest of you here, too.
00:15:52.580 What I plan on doing is just giving you a short history of the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates and giving some application, both in history and also, you know, Dan mentioned COVID all the way up to this time in our lives.
00:16:10.120 but it's been a while since we prayed at the beginning
00:16:14.620 so I just want to pray again real quick
00:16:16.340 Lord I just ask that you help me to set forth
00:16:18.780 that which you've given me to declare
00:16:20.660 I pray that you use this talk for good
00:16:23.640 and that it lights a fire in the hearts of your people
00:16:27.280 and gives them strength and clarity
00:16:30.040 Lord we rejoice that you redeemed us
00:16:32.900 not with corruptible things such as silver and gold
00:16:35.740 but with the precious blood of your son
00:16:38.780 We just ask that you be glorified in this talk.
00:16:41.500 We ask this in Jesus' name. Amen.
00:16:44.540 So I think it's massively important that we bring Christian thought to every area of life, including the area of civil government.
00:16:51.780 And this doctrine of the lesser magistrate does exactly that.
00:16:56.560 It brings Christian thought to the civil government realm, both for the magistrates themselves and also for the people.
00:17:04.420 And just to clarify, when I'm talking about a magistrate, I'm talking about someone who possesses lawful public authority, whether by election or by appointment.
00:17:16.480 Someone who possesses lawful public authority, either by election or appointment.
00:17:23.860 That's what a magistrate is when we're talking about the interposition of the lesser magistrates.
00:17:29.900 and um i wrote the book um and published it and it's um sold over 150 000 copies now
00:17:38.920 for some reason this isn't going forward dan which isn't good uh let's see here
00:17:47.060 i should come back out yeah maybe just restart it yeah that's what i'll do stop sharing
00:17:57.720 share
00:17:59.560 share
00:18:01.420 all right
00:18:05.760 okay so anyways
00:18:10.340 kind of get
00:18:11.820 is that okay Dan or should I go to a full thing
00:18:14.620 yeah just go full thing
00:18:16.740 yeah maybe it'd be easier to see
00:18:18.300 there we go
00:18:20.940 it's working now thank you
00:18:22.260 so I wrote the book on the doctrine of lesser magistrate
00:18:25.380 and it's sold over
00:18:26.880 150,000 copies now
00:18:28.900 and thousands more over in
00:18:30.780 Africa. I gave the rights
00:18:32.580 in Africa to a brother over there 0.94
00:18:34.980 and
00:18:36.100 thousands and thousands copies on top of
00:18:38.860 what's gone out here have gone out there
00:18:41.040 because
00:18:42.920 they can print the book for 63 cents
00:18:44.900 over there. It's like an arm and a leg
00:18:46.820 to ship them, so it's like a no-brainer, right?
00:18:50.920 So the book has caused quite a
00:18:52.840 stir within the civil realm
00:18:54.760 and I thank God for that.
00:18:56.880 And I hope this little talk, if you haven't read it yet, what's your appetite to take time to read it?
00:19:04.020 I kept it short and without filler because I wanted people to read it.
00:19:09.780 So what the doctrine simply is, is that when the higher ranking civil authority makes unjust or immoral law, policy or court opinion,
00:19:18.460 the God-given right and duty of the lesser ranking civil authority is not to obey.
00:19:23.880 and, if necessary, to actively resist the superior civil authority.
00:19:30.820 So that's what the doctrine is in a nutshell, and the doctrine is found in history and in Scripture.
00:19:38.760 It's found in history in non-Christian, non-Jewish lands, showing that it's natural to man. 0.52
00:19:45.440 Emperor Trajan was giving a sword to one of his subordinates, 0.97
00:19:49.600 and he said to his subordinate, use this sword against my enemies.
00:19:53.360 if I give righteous commands. But if I give unrighteous commands, use it against me. That's
00:19:59.480 really the doctrine in a nutshell. If the superior ranking civil authority acts lawlessly, the duty
00:20:05.240 of the lesser authorities is not blithe compliance. Rather, their duty is what we call interposition.
00:20:12.360 They're to use their lawful office to stand between the people and the tyrant superior civil
00:20:18.760 authority and understand how important their inner position is i'm talking about these lesser
00:20:24.820 authorities and the examples unfortunately i'm going to be giving you today are from america
00:20:30.320 because i live here in america but um you know all governments in western civilization have
00:20:38.760 lesser authorities and you need to ascertain who those are in in your country but understand when
00:20:45.480 the superior ranking civil authority makes unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion,
00:20:51.660 they count on the blithe compliance of the lesser authorities in order to get their evil down to
00:20:59.200 the fabric of society. An example in America would be like the Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade.
00:21:06.200 You can murder the pre-born. All of the states went along with that. Their duty was interposition. 0.93
00:21:11.340 They should have said no. That's an immoral ruling. We will not murder anyone here in our state.
00:21:18.760 Unfortunately, what they did is they all hid behind the skirt of the court and said, well, I agree with you.
00:21:24.400 Abortion should be outlawed. That's what the politicians would tell us.
00:21:28.520 But the Supreme Court has ruled and all we can do is obey. And that's a lie.
00:21:33.320 And that's what the doctrine of the lesser magistrate does is it removes that mask, that lie off the face of the politician who wants to use the Supreme Court, in our case here in America, as justification for their action against the evil that's been done by the government.
00:21:52.040 um so anyways uh very important to understand that they count on the blithe compliance of
00:21:58.340 lesser authorities you have a duty to um establish relationship with your civil authorities
00:22:05.920 locally provincially and teach them this doctrine and that they understand their
00:22:12.360 duty in the sight of christ and so let me continue on here so the doctrine was first
00:22:17.220 formalized in 1550 in magdeburg germany this is you know you can find the doctrine in the old
00:22:24.500 testament the new testament you can find it throughout history history of the of christianity
00:22:30.100 and prior to the history of christianity but it wasn't formalized as a christian doctrine until
00:22:36.380 1550 in magdeburg germany and the churchmen there wrote the doctrine because their city
00:22:43.200 came into conflict with the emperor. And so they wrote this confession to show that their
00:22:49.260 magistrates were right to defy the emperor. The story about Magdeburg is a story
00:22:54.500 of a city that defied an empire and won. In 1550, Charles marched upon Magdeburg and there was a
00:23:07.040 13-month siege. The Magdeburgers ended up winning. Over 4,000 of Charles's men were killed.
00:23:13.200 468 Magdeburgers were killed. 0.95
00:23:15.320 But in the end, they were able to continue to practice their religion unmolested.
00:23:20.300 And they were actually responsible for seeing that the Reformation wasn't destroyed after that time.
00:23:31.020 If it hadn't been for their inner position, the Reformation would have been a blip on the radar screen of human history.
00:23:36.960 john knox who is um well known as um one of our uh one of the reformers said for now the common
00:23:50.460 song of all men is we must obey our kings be they good or be they bad for god is so commanded
00:23:56.600 and then he said true it is god has commanded kings to be obeyed but likewise true it is that
00:24:02.380 and things which they commit against his glory, he has commanded no obedience.
00:24:07.160 In other words, when civil authority makes law, policy, or court opinion that conflicts with the law of God,
00:24:13.440 God is to be obeyed over man.
00:24:16.080 This is a hallmark of Western civilization.
00:24:19.720 It has always been the hallmark of civilization.
00:24:22.760 If the state commands that which God forbids or forbids that which God commands,
00:24:29.000 we have a duty to obey God rather than man.
00:24:32.380 And that has been what Western men have always understood as their duty to uphold.
00:24:38.340 It didn't mean everything was perfect because of the fact that anything man's involved in never is perfect.
00:24:46.360 But what it did mean was that when men acted lawlessly, there was this standard to which they could point,
00:24:56.840 to which they could call men to repentance and reform and repair.
00:25:02.380 So very important to understand the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate.
00:25:07.060 Let's see here.
00:25:08.960 This thing isn't moving again, unfortunately.
00:25:19.480 So I will go out again, and I will come back in again.
00:25:29.340 Hopefully it'll work.
00:25:32.380 I really apologize for this.
00:25:40.240 I don't know why this is doing that.
00:25:54.480 So I think I'll just leave it on here
00:25:56.980 and see if that works.
00:26:02.380 so can you see that okay hopefully
00:26:08.620 yeah that's fine fine so the doctrine of the lesser magistrate is rooted in the historic
00:26:15.740 christian doctrine of interposition interposition interposition is where you stand in the gap
00:26:21.300 between the oppressor and his intended victim um one of the things that i was involved in years
00:26:27.100 ago was interposing at the doors of death camps here in America, where they murdered the pre-born.
00:26:33.980 I did about 15 months in jail for interposing on behalf of the pre-born.
00:26:39.920 And you can interpose one of two ways, either physically or verbally, or actually both.
00:26:47.700 And in that case, we were interposing physically. And I have these Bible verses down there. I have
00:26:54.700 many more in the book. Ezekiel 22 talks about how there's evil in the land. God says, I looked for a
00:27:00.660 man to stand in the gap, but I could not find one, he said. And therefore, he brought his judgment
00:27:08.200 upon the land. And one of the groups of people he looked to interpose were the princes, and the
00:27:13.380 princes were the lesser magistrates of that day. So understand the interposition of the lesser
00:27:17.900 magistrate is so paramount that it can actually abate the just judgment of God in a nation.
00:27:24.700 when they do interpose another example i have is in exodus the hebrew midwives remember they
00:27:30.780 were told to kill the male hebrew children instead they interposed on their behalf and did not kill
00:27:36.460 them and then another example i have is saul's foolish edict got us first samuel 14 remember his
00:27:44.620 son um jonathan started fighting with the philistines saul learns about it joins in the
00:27:51.360 battle and he makes his dopey decree, which is no one shall eat anything until the battle's over.
00:27:57.400 Well, Jonathan didn't hear about it. He ate something. It comes to the attention of Saul
00:28:01.440 afterwards, and he's ready to literally kill his own son for violating the king's law and order.
00:28:10.020 And it says in the scripture there that the people themselves rose up, interposed, and said,
00:28:16.400 not one hair shall be touched on the head of him who brought Israel such a great victory today.
00:28:21.360 When it comes to the inner position, when it comes to the lesser magistrates, they use their lawful office to interpose between the tyrant's superior civil authority and the people that they represent.
00:28:36.940 Extremely important to understand.
00:28:38.680 so if you read men from western civilization they've talked about how the law of god is the
00:28:49.320 objective standard to which all men and all governments of men are accountable it doesn't
00:28:54.620 matter if you read alfred the great in the ninth century john of salisbury in the 12th century or
00:29:01.700 this guy william blackstone in the 18th century they all pointed to the law of god as being the
00:29:07.560 objective standard to which all men and all governments of men are accountable to God.
00:29:13.880 The objective standard by which we know if a law is good or bad, whether it's just or unjust,
00:29:19.780 whether it's right or wrong. And William Blackstone wrote of this, and he said,
00:29:25.560 upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, talking about God's
00:29:30.340 written law, depend all human laws, he said. That is to say, no human laws should be suffered to
00:29:37.880 contradict these. So if a law is made contrary to the law of God, it's to be opposed and resisted
00:29:44.320 by the people. And we know it was talking about the law of God is found in scripture because
00:29:49.780 he went on to say it, talking about the law of God, is binding over all the globe in all countries
00:29:55.660 at all times no human laws over any validity if contrary to this and such of them as are valid
00:30:01.800 drive all their force and all their authority immediately or immediately from the original
00:30:06.300 the doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law and they are found only in the holy
00:30:11.480 scriptures so this was the thinking of western man this wasn't political theory if a law
00:30:17.840 contradicted the law of god it was to be opposed and um that had to go on many many times as i
00:30:25.100 I said earlier, the nature of man is such that he makes laws contrary to the law of God.
00:30:30.980 But you had this object of standard by which to judge the laws of men and to hold the governments of men accountable when they did wrong.
00:30:45.100 That's all been removed now.
00:30:46.640 We all now live in a statist hell. 1.00
00:30:49.440 God's law has been thrown under the bus, not only by the wicked, but also by almost all Christian denominations in the world. 1.00
00:30:58.820 They have thrown God's law. 1.00
00:31:01.800 So we've removed the object of standard.
00:31:04.600 And so the state is now able to make up law out of thin air, out of mere whim.
00:31:11.340 And because we've removed the object of standard, people can't see that that's wrong.
00:31:15.800 and it's very important to understand this matter of god's law being the object of standard like i
00:31:24.120 have many um libertarian friends who love my book except the chapter on god's law being the object
00:31:32.280 of standard by which um the laws of men are judged and i always point out to them well if god's law
00:31:40.760 isn't the object of standard, then who or what is? You? Me? The Supreme Court? Parliament? No.
00:31:50.120 God's law, divine law, trumps all human laws. And when men make laws contrary to his law,
00:31:58.420 those laws and policies and court opinions need to be withstood.
00:32:03.220 So another of our founders here in America was James Wilson.
00:32:09.700 He was on the first Supreme Court here, placed there by George Washington himself.
00:32:13.760 And he wrote of this also.
00:32:15.020 Again, this is just how all Western men thought regarding the law of God.
00:32:19.800 He said it's promulgated by reason in the moral sense.
00:32:22.520 It's been called natural.
00:32:24.100 It's promulgated by the Holy Scriptures.
00:32:25.880 It's been called revealed law.
00:32:27.540 As addressed to men, it's been denominated the law of nature.
00:32:30.120 Addressed to political societies.
00:32:32.000 it's been denominated the law of nations but it should always be remembered that this law whether
00:32:36.740 natural or revealed made for men or for nations flows from the same divine source it is the law
00:32:43.920 of god and wilson went on to say human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority
00:32:49.620 of that law which is divine and as he had mentioned up here it's it's found in the holy scriptures
00:32:57.520 Now, I don't know how many of you have ever read John of Salisbury.
00:33:00.820 I mentioned him a little bit ago.
00:33:03.300 He lived in the 12th century, wrote a book called Polycraticus.
00:33:07.100 It's a phenomenal work.
00:33:08.640 We have 11 children.
00:33:10.260 All of our children had to read Polycraticus when they were 13, 14 years old, 15.
00:33:16.180 You know, some are a little smarter than others.
00:33:18.600 And so we have this quote from John of Salisbury regarding the lesser authorities.
00:33:24.440 He said, loyal shoulders should sustain the power of the ruler so long as it's exercised in subjection to God and follows his ordinances.
00:33:33.760 But if it resists and opposes the divine commandments and wishes to make me share in its war against God, then with unrestrained voice I answer back that God must be preferred before any man on earth.
00:33:45.620 And again, it's the doctrine of the lesser magistrate.
00:33:49.600 Laws made which is contrary to the law of God.
00:33:52.080 And as I'll get to in a minute, or laws made which supersedes the limits given to civil authority, both in scripture and by a nation's founding documents, they are to be posed on that basis also.
00:34:08.000 In fact, this book by Alice Baldwin, it's another worthy read, as is Polycraticus, The New England Clergy in the American Revolution.
00:34:18.560 she said it was not left to rulers to be oppressive and arbitrary god from whom their
00:34:25.920 power ultimately was derived and that's an important concept that anyone in the three
00:34:32.600 great governments which are church government family government civil government the authority
00:34:39.120 or the power that they possess is derived from god in other words it's delegated authority and
00:34:45.300 I have a whole chapter on that.
00:34:47.600 But she says, God, from whom their power ultimately was derived, had limited that power.
00:34:53.160 That's right.
00:34:53.820 God limits the authority of the civil government.
00:34:57.240 Within each of the three great governments, family government, church government, civil
00:35:01.640 government, all meant to produce within the individual, the fourth great government, which
00:35:06.060 is self-government, each of these governments had their own role, their own function, and
00:35:12.220 their own limits.
00:35:13.460 And when the government goes outside its limits, chaos breaks out.
00:35:19.740 And that's why we live in the statist hell at this point, because civil authority has invaded self-government.
00:35:26.580 Civil authority has invaded family government. 0.98
00:35:29.320 And unfortunately, the churchmen have been busy playing the whore, ceding church government over to the state. 0.98
00:35:35.220 And we saw that in nines during COVID. 0.99
00:35:40.880 So here's a little bit.
00:35:42.560 I'll be brief with this because I know you're in Canada.
00:35:45.340 So in our country, we have, you know, a constitution and it limits the authority.
00:35:54.260 I'm doing a live thing.
00:35:56.880 I'm sorry about that.
00:35:58.100 So it limits the authority of the our federal government.
00:36:06.300 Even though our federal government is way outside the bounds of its constitutional restraints now.
00:36:12.560 In 1798 was the first time that they did that in the Alien and Sedition Act.
00:36:18.840 Two states immediately opposed them, Virginia and Kentucky.
00:36:24.700 And Virginia, James Madison wrote the Virginia Resolution in 1798.
00:36:30.300 It is a gem of a document.
00:36:32.160 You should read the whole thing.
00:36:33.460 But he says in part there, the states who are parties there to parties to the U.S. Constitution have the right and are in duty bound to interpose.
00:36:42.560 There's that word for arresting the progress of evil, the evil being done by the federal government and for maintaining within their respective limits the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them.
00:36:55.580 So our founders actually put it within our government polity, this doctrine of lesser magistrate and understand our founders here in America didn't want authority to rest in the hands of one man.
00:37:08.100 They were throwing off a king, getting rid of a monarchy.
00:37:10.100 They despised oligarchies
00:37:12.580 Power being in the hands of a small group of men
00:37:15.180 Like SCOTUS has become in our country
00:37:17.220 And so they pillared 0.99
00:37:19.780 Because they had a Christian view of the nature of man 0.99
00:37:22.660 Which is what? 0.99
00:37:23.900 He's wicked and in need of a savior
00:37:25.860 Because they held to that view
00:37:27.900 They pillared a true federalism
00:37:30.500 In a true federalism
00:37:32.340 All four of the great governments matter
00:37:34.400 Self, family, church, and state
00:37:36.980 And when it comes to state government or civil government within a true federalism, you have multiple levels of government, multiple branches of government, so that if any one branch or branches begins to play the tyrant, another branch or branches will check them, will interpose against them.
00:37:56.760 And that's what's going on here with Virginia and Kentucky.
00:38:03.380 Thomas Jefferson actually wrote the Kentucky Resolution.
00:38:06.420 Again, another gem, worth reading the whole thing if you ever get a chance.
00:38:11.460 And in there he said that whensoever the general government, talking about the federal government, assumes undelegated powers.
00:38:18.800 In other words, powers not granted to it in the Constitution.
00:38:22.320 Its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.
00:38:26.760 And that's the proper thinking for here in America. Unfortunately, what they all do, almost all of them do, talking about the magistrates, the politicians, is they say, oh, he should take care of that.
00:38:41.000 They do everything they can not to assume responsibility. And it's sickening to watch. So I'm in Wisconsin, by the way, welcome from Cheeseland.
00:38:52.620 And in 1852, we had a law called the Federal Fugitive Slave Act.
00:39:02.180 And in 1854, there was a runaway slave captured here in Wisconsin.
00:39:10.320 People actually gathered at the jail and broke him out of the jail.
00:39:14.000 He made it back on the Underground Railroad and died of old age in Canada, your country, 26 years later.
00:39:21.260 His name was Joshua Glover. It's a phenomenal story. This became a huge battle of jurisdictions between our state and the federal government. Our state defied the entire federal legislature and defied the entire federal judiciary, including the Supreme Court.
00:39:38.900 and our state Supreme Court, not just our state legislature, defied the federal judiciary.
00:39:46.280 And one of the resolves that they put out are resolutions they published, our legislature
00:39:51.520 in 1859, as they said, resolved that this assumption of jurisdiction by the federal
00:39:55.800 judiciary in a said case and without process is an act of undelegated power and therefore
00:40:01.540 without authority, void and of no force.
00:40:03.840 They're talking about the guy with the beard there. 0.98
00:40:05.780 um they're talking about him old age i'm forgetting his name right now it's pathetic 0.73
00:40:12.740 so anyway a sherman booth sorry about that sherman booth when he heard about joshua glover
00:40:20.040 being arrested he was a newspaper man in milwaukee near where i live he printed a bunch
00:40:25.080 of flyers jumped on a horse and rode his horse up and down the streets of um milwaukee yelling
00:40:31.580 at the top of his lungs. A man's liberty is at stake. Gather at the courthouse at 2 p.m.
00:40:38.880 5,000 people gathered. Booth himself said later he was stunned how many showed up.
00:40:45.320 And that's when the people finally gathered together and broke Joshua Glover out of jail.
00:40:52.460 The sheriff of Racine, where Joshua Glover was arrested, arrived by boat with 120 men at the
00:40:59.620 Port of Milwaukee, and they marched to the jail.
00:41:03.640 And Joshua Glover was sprung from jail.
00:41:06.420 And when they brought him out, he had been beat bloody by the federal marshals.
00:41:12.660 They put him on the back of a flat bed wagon.
00:41:16.940 He looked out over the sea of people and he said two words, glory, hallelujah.
00:41:24.220 And it's just a phenomenal story, the interposition of our state.
00:41:27.760 It all became moot because of the Civil War.
00:41:31.180 This was never parsed out in the judiciary or legislatures, both sides holding that they were the ones that should be listened to until the Civil War.
00:41:43.200 And the Civil War, of course, made it moot.
00:41:44.680 It was the end of slavery.
00:41:45.680 But here's what they also said in 1859.
00:41:48.020 Resolved that the government formed by the Constitution of the United States was not the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself.
00:41:57.760 But that, as in all other cases of compact, and that's what the Constitution has, a compact in various states and the federal government, among parties having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself.
00:42:11.980 And so our state was right, and we still have monuments up, even though 99% of Wisconsinites know nothing of this history.
00:42:18.740 You can still find plaques up in various parts of our state talking about this very matter of the Sherman Booth case and Joshua Glover.
00:42:27.760 One of our Supreme Court justices at the time, Abram Smith, he said this, he said, I know well its consequences and appreciate fully the criticism to which I may be subjected.
00:42:39.180 Talking about their inner position, their defiance to SCOTUS.
00:42:43.440 He said, but I believe most sincerely and solemnly that the last hope of free, representative and responsible government rests upon the state's sovereignties and fidelity of state officers to their double allegiance.
00:42:55.820 By double allegiance, he means they have an allegiance to the U.S. Constitution and to their state constitution, as he says, to the state and federal government, and so believing I cannot hesitate in performing a clear and indispensable duty.
00:43:11.080 He's talking about the duty to defy and to interpose, and that's what he did.
00:43:15.740 I'm not going to go into the Suffolk Resolve's very great history about how resistance always seems to start at a local level.
00:43:28.080 Here's some application today.
00:43:30.880 This is the state of Illinois. It has 102 counties.
00:43:34.820 That red county there is Madison County.
00:43:37.420 I'm in Wisconsin, just above Illinois.
00:43:39.320 During COVID, our governors would act like little emperors and come out every 72 hours with some new quote-unquote laws and policies regarding COVID.
00:43:52.240 And in May of 2020, the governor of Illinois, he decided to come out with his latest little decree, which was no businessman can open their business anywhere in the state of Illinois till I say they can open their business.
00:44:10.660 And now if you open your business before I say, you're going to be arrested and charged with a crime.
00:44:16.000 Well, the next day, in a state with 102 counties, only one county, Madison County, sits right on the Mississippi River, across from St. Louis, they gathered their county board together and they put out their own decree.
00:44:30.440 And their decree said our businessmen are free to reopen now. And then they cautioned the governor and the state legislature not to interfere with their businessmen and stated to them that they would use all their power to protect their businessmen.
00:44:46.000 Well, of course, that went over like a lead balloon with the governor.
00:44:50.620 You know, he was a socialist dog, and his name's Pritzker.
00:44:55.200 And so he held a press conference talking about how he was going to remove all their federal money, all their state money,
00:45:01.240 had a whole laundry list of bad things he was going to do to Madison County if they didn't get with the program.
00:45:06.700 He held that same press conference three days in a row.
00:45:10.640 The men at Madison County didn't flinch.
00:45:13.140 They didn't waver.
00:45:14.440 They stood resolute.
00:45:16.000 And then seven days after Pritzker had made that decree about the businessmen, the Illinois State Police put out a press release saying we will not arrest any businessman anywhere in the state who opens their business before Governor Pritzker says they can.
00:45:33.440 They had decided to stay with the men, stand with the men at Madison County in interposition.
00:45:40.200 So understand, if it hadn't been for the inner position, by the way, the next day, Governor Pritzker rescinded his order.
00:45:47.780 Understand, when the tyrant acts, if no one takes a stand against the tyrant, people don't see as tyranny for really what it is.
00:45:57.580 When bad things are going on by government leaders, suffering can be involved in the process.
00:46:03.840 Understand that.
00:46:04.660 But understand this, if no one stands, then in defiance of the lawlessness of the civil authority, then the civil authority is able to move on to building the next plank of their tyranny.
00:46:22.320 If someone does stand, like Madison County did, then the superior civil authority is one of two choices. He can either stay in his lair and rescind his dopey order, or it brings him out of his lair and he shows his fangs.
00:46:40.480 and then men more readily see him for the tyrant that he is.
00:46:46.160 And so that usually involves suffering by some people along the way
00:46:50.920 in order for that process to work out.
00:46:54.120 And understand also, the man who headed up Madison County at that time
00:47:00.120 is a brother in Christ.
00:47:01.640 He had read my book on the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate two years earlier,
00:47:05.720 had taught it to the entire county board,
00:47:07.560 and they were a burr in the saddle to Governor Pritzker, not over just that decree, but many
00:47:12.920 decrees that he made during COVID. That's how important this doctrine is. And there's Governor
00:47:18.600 Pritzker, the tyrant dog. And this is another example. This is a little red down there in the 0.99
00:47:27.360 left and down there in the corner. That's Newton County, Missouri. When Joe Biden took office,
00:47:34.540 He was going to use executive orders and other decrees to infringe on our Second Amendment rights, which Americans hold dear, as they should.
00:47:42.380 And this little county out of the whole country brought their county board together and they made an ordinance, not just a decree, but an ordinance.
00:47:53.780 And the ordinance stated that if anyone tried to infringe upon their Second Amendment rights of the citizens in their county, pardon me, the first thing was any law made to infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of their citizens is null void and no authority in Milwaukee, pardon me, in Newton County.
00:48:19.980 And the second part was any county official who sided with the federal government in trying to disarm their citizens would immediately be removed from office or fired from their job.
00:48:36.300 And number three, it instructed the sheriff to arrest any federal agents or otherwise that came into their county to infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of their citizens.
00:48:46.140 This is the doctrine of the lesser magistrate in action.
00:48:48.980 If you go to our website, defytirants.com, and you scroll through things, we have tons of examples from current over the last 10 years of interposition by lesser authorities.
00:49:05.300 And, yeah, I want to get done here.
00:49:07.820 This is our website here, defytirants.com. 1.00
00:49:12.320 I know you guys are up against this C9 thing. 1.00
00:49:17.060 I read about it and that is so incredibly wicked and the duty of the churchmen in face of such 1.00
00:49:25.420 tyranny is to preach the truth of God's word from their pulpits and that's exactly what every
00:49:32.380 churchman should be doing and I've preached numerous sermons about homosex over the years
00:49:40.600 I've been pastoring for 38 years and if you want to see some of the sermons so you can see
00:49:45.500 how important it is to speak about this matter because God's word does address every matter of
00:49:52.040 life. You can go to sermonaudio.com, sermonaudio.com. Just type in my name, Matthew
00:50:00.520 Truella. And when I come up, then just put in the search bar, homosex, homosex. And I did post
00:50:09.160 about eight of the sermons I did on homosex. And these were sermons just mostly on that matter.
00:50:15.500 I, of course, address it in other sermons in passing or whatnot.
00:50:20.040 And you can also see sermons that I've preached at YouTube.
00:50:28.080 And our channel there is Mercy Seat Christian Church.
00:50:32.640 Mercy Seat Christian Church.
00:50:34.740 And you can see the sermons there.
00:50:37.460 And churchmen often ask me once they realize that, you know, they shouldn't be indifferent towards the actions.
00:50:45.500 the unjust and immoral actions of their government,
00:50:47.680 that they have a duty to preach from the word of God regarding these things.
00:50:51.860 They often ask me, but how do I, how do I do it?
00:50:54.920 How do I make application?
00:50:56.000 I always point churchmen to my sermons out of Micah and Malachi.
00:51:03.740 Sermons out of Micah and Malachi, they're all up online.
00:51:07.180 And also my sermons out of Acts, the book of Acts.
00:51:11.900 and um it'll give you just all kinds of um examples of application um i have sermons that
00:51:22.720 tens of thousands of people listen to i have sermons that only hundreds of people listen to
00:51:27.980 um all over the board but one thing i hear from everybody around the world because i do hear from
00:51:35.140 people around the world is that they love the sermons because you actually apply it to everyday
00:51:43.240 life and to society. And that was just so common in the past in Christianity. If you go to our
00:51:52.100 website, defytirants.com, on the homepage, there's these little things that change every four or five
00:51:59.180 seconds. One of them is titled, Why Pastors Aren't Involved. And the reason we put that up
00:52:06.420 is because everywhere I've spoke, which is well over a thousand places now, people ask me during
00:52:11.980 Q&A, how do we get the pastors involved? And I know a bunch of you are pastors. So you might want
00:52:17.040 to watch that because it's extremely important for us to understand that God's word speaks to
00:52:25.240 every area of our life and every area of life. And we have a duty to present his word and law
00:52:31.540 to all men, and at times, obviously, to the governments and men also.
00:52:38.040 Extremely important. What we've created there, what's there at that thing, why pastors aren't
00:52:43.980 involved, is a 35-minute lecture on pietism. I go into the history of pietism, which began in the
00:52:50.740 17th century. And I go up to the present day, and I make application of how the churchmen have
00:52:57.220 created little slogans to make sure that anybody in their congregation who gets involved in civil
00:53:04.340 government matters is shamed out of it. And so they have these little sayings like,
00:53:10.060 we should just preach the gospel. We should just pray. I just expect sinners to act like sinners.
00:53:16.000 There's like 200 slogans.
00:53:18.100 The number one slogan that I've come across all my years is the one, we should just preach the gospel.
00:53:26.140 So I instruct people, you need to dismantle that, not only in the mind of your churchman, if he's that way, but also in the mind of your fellow Christians, many of who think that way.
00:53:36.420 And the way that we dismantle that little saying, that little slogan, we should just preach the gospel, which is meant, by the way, to belittle you, to make you feel unspiritual, put a wet blanket over you and keep you on their hamster, religious hamster wheel to nowhere, where we learn about the word of God again and again, but never apply it.
00:53:55.900 Number one is this.
00:53:58.380 Nobody just preaches the gospel.
00:54:01.180 Do you ever spend time with your wife?
00:54:02.880 Do you ever wrestle with your kids?
00:54:04.160 Ever use the restroom?
00:54:05.680 nobody just preaches the gospel. Number two, notice when they say we should just preach the
00:54:11.020 gospel. Like at your church, next time the church potluck is announced, see if someone jumps up and
00:54:16.260 says, oh no, we should just preach the gospel. Or when the church softball team is being organized,
00:54:22.560 see if someone stands up and says, oh no, we should just preach the gospel. No, nobody does
00:54:29.100 that. It's only when somebody brings up some civil government matter that someone invokes,
00:54:34.020 we should just preach the gospel because the churchmen by and large don't want people in
00:54:40.840 their congregation involved in civil government matters they want them back on their religious
00:54:45.540 hamster wheel to nowhere and they know that little slogan we should just preach the gospel
00:54:50.020 will make the person feel belittled that it's meant to neutralize them from being involved
00:54:56.680 in civil government matters to put a wet blanket over that so it's extremely important to understand
00:55:03.320 these matters. The third thing I always say to people is this, where are all these people just
00:55:10.000 preaching the gospel? Because I never see them anywhere. And I live every day and I go through
00:55:15.820 my day in public. No one ever comes up and is preaching the gospel. In fact, the only time I
00:55:20.940 see anyone preaching the gospel is if it's someone that I know. So everywhere I go, I have little
00:55:26.960 cards sharing the gospel because I think it's massively important. I have this one card that I
00:55:31.560 made i'm looking for it right now um where i got this website how jesus changed my life.com
00:55:40.120 it's just a little business card and so i give that to people during my day and i put it like
00:55:47.540 in credit card slots at the you know gas pump or i'm a man so put it up on top of the urinal
00:55:56.660 you know and then people can see it and take it if they want to type of thing and um so
00:56:02.860 i'm all for preaching the gospel but i'm all for the whole counsel of god's word and when you look
00:56:12.000 at the history of churchmen all the way back to the early church all the way back to the book of
00:56:16.360 acts they were involved in magistrates lives they were speaking to the magistrates and paul spent
00:56:23.320 the last numerous years of his life talking to the magistrates even chained to one you know so
00:56:31.400 it's like it's extremely important for churchmen to instruct the magistrates from god's word
00:56:38.480 in their role in their function and in their limits and what their duty is to christ
00:56:44.360 with the office they have been given so anyways um i don't even know what time it is i kind of
00:56:50.320 lost my phone here. But I'm going to stop because it's three minutes to one. And we did want to have
00:56:56.620 a little bit of time for Q&A.
00:57:04.680 That's great, Pastor Matt. Yep. Thank you. Thank you so much. If you don't mind, maybe just stop
00:57:10.880 and sharing your screen. Just before we do the Q&A, a couple things. I believe I do have the
00:57:17.680 poll up if you don't mind taking a minute just to answer the poll but i want to read a scripture
00:57:22.120 to you i was just sharing this with pastor matt before we uh we went live here in revelation 21
00:57:28.600 verse 7 and 8 all those who are victorious will inherit all these blessings and i will be their
00:57:35.260 god and they will be my children verse 8 very sobering but cowards unbelievers the corrupt 0.82
00:57:42.620 murderers the immoral those who practice witchcraft idol worshipers and all liars their fate is in the 0.95
00:57:50.760 fiery lake burning sulfur this is the second death i was i was mentioning to pastor matt the thing 0.93
00:57:56.760 that's always gripped me the first one that's mentioned is not the hitlers of the world or the 0.52
00:58:02.940 murderers it's the cowards the cowardly and with what we've been hearing not just with c9 but 0.51
00:58:10.560 COVID, and there is a real test in ministry these days. We need to be people of courage 0.95
00:58:20.340 in these last days. The early church faced it. We're facing it now. So anyone have any questions
00:58:27.880 that you would like to ask? Well, I will jump in and just say thank you so much for your jumping
00:58:34.300 in, helping out the church right now. As I look at your website, I am so looking forward to carving
00:58:39.980 up your resources you have such a depth of of information there and you as you as well at
00:58:45.720 action for canada wow your your website is you've got so many resources on the website so thank you
00:58:50.640 so much this is like the the one of the probably the best things i've attended in a long time as
00:58:55.240 far as things that are going to shape my action in the days to come amen thank you thank you
00:59:02.600 anyone else
00:59:09.980 i'd also like to say thank you uh matt for for giving this webinar and um i i came across your
00:59:21.100 your book during covet and uh it was a a big help to me i actually ran for office
00:59:27.260 um i think i saw luann ash on here uh we were together in the ontario party uh and um yeah i
00:59:37.100 And it was, I ran explicitly as openly as a Christian, standing firmly on the word of God.
00:59:46.460 And, you know, one question that I had, which I'm sure that you've given some thought to,
00:59:54.120 I kind of, I heard sphere sovereignty in there.
00:59:57.440 Um, and, uh, and, uh, you know, I think sometimes, uh, people can get, uh, have the question
01:00:07.880 in their head, okay, God's law, you know, Christ's lordship applies to every area of
01:00:12.260 life.
01:00:13.040 Um, you know, Jesus kingdom, uh, rules overall, uh, God's law applies to every area of life.
01:00:20.360 Well, what does that actually mean as it applies to, you know, um, the delegated authority
01:00:27.000 that christ has given to the to the self versus the family versus the church versus the states and
01:00:32.120 it if maybe you can kind of uh yeah uh you know how help us understand that a little bit and you
01:00:40.880 know maybe the difference between sins and crimes and stuff like that sure yeah again i go into it
01:00:47.340 in depth in my book about delegated authority um and you know so you have family government that
01:00:53.740 covers the sphere of the family and all that goes on there and what God intended all to go
01:01:03.080 out there. And then you have church government, of course, with all what God intended there.
01:01:08.220 And then you have civil government with what God intended there. By the way, in my book,
01:01:14.740 I have, and you don't even have to get the book. You could just go to our website,
01:01:17.980 at defytyrants.com, because I took the appendix in my book on Romans 13, because it's a big
01:01:24.420 bugaboo to a lot of people. And so I address Romans 13 in just 14 pages. And it's been a
01:01:33.580 massive help to so many people just reading that. So you can read it without getting the book,
01:01:39.060 just go into our website. We have it posted right there so people can share it with their
01:01:42.620 friends, with their family, with their pastor, whatever the case may be.
01:01:47.980 So I think that's extremely important.
01:01:49.740 But out of those three, you know, governments, it's meant to produce within the individual self-government.
01:01:58.300 And that's always been the watchword at our home.
01:02:00.440 We have 11 kids, 41 grandkids, two great-grandkids.
01:02:05.680 And self-government has always been our watchword.
01:02:08.840 We don't want to raise a bunch of dependents.
01:02:10.760 We want them to, you know, be in right standing with the Lord and govern their lives according to his dictates and obedience to him.
01:02:21.000 Extremely important.
01:02:23.660 One of the things I didn't really touch on as much, because when you were talking, Dave, yeah, you know, when the civil government makes law, policy or court opinion contrary to the law and word of God,
01:02:40.760 men must take a stand and um but the flip which i did mention but very briefly was that if they
01:02:48.880 exceed the limits of their authority um then they must be withstood so like what was going on with
01:02:56.560 covid was outside their authority and they were just making up laws they would call them they
01:03:03.720 There aren't even laws.
01:03:05.320 And people would foolishly obey them.
01:03:10.600 And I had one churchman, he has a huge following, you know, tens of thousands of people.
01:03:17.020 And he was taking the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate to task during COVID.
01:03:21.480 And I could tell he never read the book just by how he's misrepresenting things.
01:03:26.120 And so he said, he was of the opinion, which most are, that we obey the government no matter what.
01:03:35.820 Or we obey the government unless they say we can't preach the gospel.
01:03:39.100 Or we obey the government unless they tell us to personally sin, which none of that's true.
01:03:45.240 None of that.
01:03:45.760 And I debunk all of that.
01:03:47.620 And so he said that if the magistrate tells us to put pinwheels on our heads in order to go into the grocery store, we obey and put pinwheels on our heads.
01:04:00.240 And I was like, absolutely not.
01:04:02.040 They have exceeded the limits of their authority at that point, and they need to be resisted.
01:04:07.940 And so you don't put pinwheels on your head and go into the grocery store.
01:04:13.580 In fact, you don't put a mask on either and go into the grocery store.
01:04:17.680 And I never wore a mask once during that entire thing.
01:04:22.840 And I ended up getting thrown out of like five different places over that two-year period.
01:04:27.740 The rest, everybody would just look at you.
01:04:30.200 You know, and then, yeah, and most of them wouldn't say nothing.
01:04:34.040 My wife always said, it's because of the look on your face, man.
01:04:36.780 They're afraid to say something.
01:04:39.100 And so I was like, yeah.
01:04:40.600 so um but like the last time i was thrown out of a place was a best buy it's an electronic store
01:04:47.860 down here and um i walked in with my daughter was 15 at the time and two young guys were standing
01:04:54.820 there and the one guy says oh sir you have to have a mask on to shop here and i looked at him
01:05:03.260 and i said well we don't wear masks and he goes oh well we have just the thing for you
01:05:08.800 and he points down to this card table and here's a bunch of face shields on the card table.
01:05:14.680 And I looked down at the face shields and I looked up at the young man and I said,
01:05:18.260 if you think I'm going to put that on my face and walk around your store like Jojo the circus monkey,
01:05:24.720 you're living in a fantasy land. And I could tell no one had ever said that to him before.
01:05:31.040 We ended up in a great five minute conversation, which ended with me saying,
01:05:35.220 I mean, don't forget to tell your manager, Matt Chuelo will never shop here again, even when you get rid of your dopey mask mandate.
01:05:43.000 And I'm sure they were concerned about the $200 I spend there a year.
01:05:47.080 It's the principle of the thing.
01:05:49.000 People would tell me it's just a mask, Matt.
01:05:51.160 No, it's not just a mask.
01:05:53.300 Tyranny is built plank by plank.
01:05:55.480 And as long as you think you can accommodate tyranny, they'll keep strengthening their tyranny.
01:06:01.540 And this whole masking thing was part of a huge tyranny.
01:06:05.220 as people learned as time went on.
01:06:08.760 And so it's extremely important 0.98
01:06:10.180 when the tyrant raises his ugly head
01:06:13.180 that we do what we can do at a personal level
01:06:16.380 and at the same time join with other men publicly
01:06:19.280 and prod our lesser magistrates to interpose.
01:06:23.600 And that's what the county I live in did.
01:06:25.960 I live in Washington County.
01:06:27.100 We have 72 counties here.
01:06:29.260 We were the only county in the state.
01:06:31.420 I had taught the doctrine to our county board.
01:06:34.080 That's 26 individuals. Our sheriff was there. State legislators were there.
01:06:41.240 And so when COVID came along, six weeks into it, our county put out our first resolution saying we're not doing anything the governor's telling us to do.
01:06:52.480 And then we put out a second one shortly after that, where all of the lesser authorities upped their oath to our U.S. and state constitution.
01:07:02.620 and um and then the third thing we our county did was we're a very republican county we 0.97
01:07:09.860 rebuked and kicked in the butt all of the republicans because they weren't stopping 0.97
01:07:14.840 what our democratic governor was doing rather they were exploiting it for their own political 0.99
01:07:20.780 purposes and where i really ran into trouble with my county officials was when they kept taking the
01:07:26.880 money because they bought covid off with two mountains a mountain of lies and a mountain of
01:07:32.860 money and when the government officials saw that money they were like you know thorin in um lord
01:07:41.640 of the rings when he sees all the gold you know they're just like yeah glaze over you know and
01:07:48.920 oh we so they told me well we can't give up them if we don't take the money someone else will
01:07:54.060 And I said, let them. We should be a light on a hill to all the other counties and not take it because the money is used to convince people of the legitimacy of the fiction that they're teaching them.
01:08:06.900 So it's wrong to take that money and use it for those things, especially it's even hypocritical when you've already issued these resolutions.
01:08:17.180 So anyway, extremely important to understand when they exceed the limits of their authority, they need to be resisted.
01:08:25.540 They're limited by our U.S. Constitution.
01:08:28.640 They're limited by our state constitution.
01:08:30.640 They're limited by the word of God.
01:08:34.120 God doesn't teach a status tolerance word.
01:08:36.640 Anyway, thank you, David.
01:08:42.220 I wonder if I could ask a question.
01:08:44.220 and maybe maybe pastor dan can weigh in on this too i've been in deep conversations with my pastor
01:08:51.880 who only kept the church closed for about two weeks and then people started meeting underground
01:08:56.880 and then they got a little bit more bold okay but i've been uh explaining to him that canada
01:09:03.240 is a christian nation and ought to be governed as such and it's my understanding that canada as well
01:09:09.380 as the United States, has Christian foundation in our constitution going back a long way. But
01:09:15.880 his question always is, well, what does it mean to be a Christian nation? And he seems to have 0.67
01:09:23.100 this idea that I have, that you can call yourself a Christian, but just because you're a Cadillac
01:09:28.800 in the, doesn't mean that, you know, I can't remember that saying, but anyway, it doesn't
01:09:33.540 mean because you're sitting in a church that you're a Christian, or because you're living in
01:09:37.140 a Christian nation, you're a Christian. So all of this ties in with this lesser magistrate's idea
01:09:45.760 in my mind that we have a responsibility to be educating the public on these matters so that
01:09:52.840 they have a firm foundation on which to stand. But I want to know how to answer my pastor when
01:09:57.680 he says, I don't think Canada is a Christian nation. To me, in its simplest form, a Christian 0.97
01:10:06.800 nation as a nation that simply acknowledges Christ. And all of the nations in Europe have
01:10:13.120 thrown that out of their constitutions over in Europe. Until recently, Hungary actually returned 0.88
01:10:20.820 Christ to the founding documents. Here in Wisconsin, pardon me, here in America,
01:10:29.400 In our U.S. Constitution, there's nothing overtly said about Christ at all.
01:10:37.500 But understand, when you read the minutes of the Constitutional Convention that took place, which I've read, it's volumes and volumes long, and I've read quite a bit of it.
01:10:48.180 And I noticed that the representatives from the different states, the reason they didn't want anything about Christ or Christianity in the U.S. Constitution was because of the fact that they already had Christ and Christianity in their state constitutions.
01:11:07.340 And they were only delegating very few powers to this federal government, to this national government.
01:11:18.060 And so they didn't want, you can read the minutes came up again and again, they didn't want them talking about Christianity at all, because that was the domain of the states.
01:11:29.120 All they were delegating to the federal government was very few things, which, of course, now has all been turned on its head.
01:11:36.360 Now, the federal government thinks it rules everything here, and everybody thinks you just got to comply with them, but people are beginning to see the insanity of that, and that you have to take a stand, and interposition needs to take place, and what our founders originally envisioned, they can see clearly when they hear about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate.
01:11:59.640 I hope that helps a little bit.
01:12:02.880 I know I'm not from Canada, so I really had a loss on your history and how your government
01:12:08.340 polity is and those types of things.
01:12:11.940 Yes.
01:12:12.640 The one thing that came to my mind is I think your pastor may have listened to Keith Green
01:12:16.660 at one time that would say going to McDonald's doesn't make you a hamburger.
01:12:22.060 You know, and I think the fact that, you know, we say we're a Christian nation to me that
01:12:27.540 that states that we had a Christian foundation at one time and more of our leaders behaved like
01:12:36.820 Christians. Many do not today. Now, the one major difference and, you know, Luann, you'd be familiar
01:12:43.900 with this because Luann is one of our chapter leaders of Action for Canada. One of the things
01:12:48.840 that we have been harping on in the last number of months is the fact that King Charles, back in
01:12:56.500 2023 when he be when he ascended to the throne signed uh the coronation oath um basically
01:13:05.120 declaring that he will rule his domain which includes australia new zealand canada great
01:13:13.160 britain and wales and i believe ireland as a christian nation now he's not behaving at all
01:13:20.060 like it but he still he still signed it and so we are protected that way and bill c9 was passed
01:13:28.080 outside of those rightful limits uh and the attorney general that that she she oh like just
01:13:37.580 like you were saying pastor matt she did not have the authority to put her seal of approval to pass
01:13:43.860 this she exceeded her limits and so that that law is of ill and no effect but yet canadians
01:13:51.140 are behaving like oh what's going to happen c9 is now law well what we are teaching people is it's
01:13:57.220 not it's just like you know during covid when they would say wear a mask it's a law no it's
01:14:05.020 not a law well it's a mandate well a mandate is not a law and so we had to educate people
01:14:09.880 but by the end of it they'd still be like well you know we're not going to serve you in our store
01:14:15.380 you can put all your stuff at the checkout we're still not going to check you out it's like they
01:14:19.540 didn't care and so at this point in canada we are saying we are still founded upon christian
01:14:26.300 principles our rules and our laws our our foundations are still based upon god's word
01:14:33.460 and then you know the debate would be well which god you know we've had such uh mass immigration
01:14:40.320 here and we're like we are clearly proving it's the god of the bible and and so the debate goes
01:14:48.040 back and forth but we have such a corrupt prime minister you know all of his assets are in the
01:14:53.000 united states and he's like you know we're building strong canada no you're not you know
01:14:57.500 your your wife doesn't even live in canada she lives in the u.s you know so all of these things
01:15:03.360 it's confusing canadians and the cost of living is going beyond but we think that that's part of
01:15:10.120 the the agenda the elitist agenda but as believers and part of our department is we are interpreting
01:15:18.240 what's happening with what god's word says the signs of the times and you know i i believe the
01:15:25.260 Lord is coming back soon, but at the same time, we have enough going on in the world
01:15:33.440 that we could see the Lord gave us some signs.
01:15:36.500 You know, when the Lord says, when you see the blossoms on the fig trees, you know that
01:15:41.760 spring is coming.
01:15:43.160 And so we know that the day is coming.
01:15:45.400 The days are near where the Lord will return.
01:15:48.580 And so there is going to be hardship and there is going to be difficulties, you know.
01:15:53.500 And but in the meantime, we still have a job to do.
01:15:58.760 We still have work to do for the kingdom of God.
01:16:01.060 Every day is a blessing.
01:16:02.240 I say that from my experience, because, you know, every day that I wake up, it's like, oh, I'm still here.
01:16:08.020 Lord, what am I to do today?
01:16:10.520 And it is a battle.
01:16:12.740 And I get frustrated when pastors say, well, the Lord called me to ministry.
01:16:16.580 Therefore, I should be, you know, healthy and wealthy and all should go well with me.
01:16:21.540 And he's like, no, man, you're in a battle.
01:16:23.480 That's why the Lord says, put on your armor.
01:16:26.720 And it includes battle gear.
01:16:29.740 Yeah.
01:16:30.080 So at a real practical level, the churchmen, you know, like you guys know what your lesser authorities are.
01:16:37.520 I don't.
01:16:38.400 So you have to identify who those are down from whoever did what they did with C9.
01:16:43.760 And then you need to meet with them.
01:16:47.100 And a very practical level, like here, I don't know what you guys have there.
01:16:50.680 We have sheriffs. And like a pastor here would meet with a sheriff and see if he understands his duty in the sight of Christ to interpose against the evil that they're doing and instruct him in his duty if he doesn't know about it.
01:17:06.660 And then to just ask him point blank. So if I preach a sermon from the word of God, dealing with homo sex, what will you do? 1.00
01:17:16.680 and yeah what will they do we did this during covid met with sheriffs um over this very matter 1.00
01:17:26.500 with all the things they were telling them they had to enforce and explaining to them they don't
01:17:33.360 have to enforce them and we did see the interposition of over 500 sheriffs we have over
01:17:38.100 3 000 in our nation and about 500 of them um interposed and refused to go along with it
01:17:45.480 um so the churchman then knows when he preaches if that guy's going to show up and arrest him or
01:17:52.860 not and um but i don't know how it works there but you want to see if the more local authorities
01:17:59.960 um will stand for what's right or whether they're just rubber stampers and
01:18:06.680 you know don't care about anybody but himself yeah yeah and that's what we at action for
01:18:14.100 canada have been doing educating our people to go start at the local community and meet with our
01:18:21.480 local representative and meet with our council members uh municipal members school board trustees
01:18:28.140 and educate them yeah yeah very important that's great yep and you know even people who go along
01:18:37.420 this stuff at first as the tyranny continues to grow more and more people will defect um precisely
01:18:44.640 because you took the time to go and have that conversation and get to know them yeah yeah
01:18:50.600 yeah well thank you for the time here i really appreciate it yes thank you pastor matt um i'd
01:18:57.960 like to close off in prayer and um i i don't know i have i'm just waiting to hear from tanya how the
01:19:03.620 court thing went i haven't heard a thing yet so yeah anyway we'll keep in prayer but i want to
01:19:11.120 thank you so much for making the time to be with us once again and uh as i said we'll be sending
01:19:16.080 out the recording to each and every one of you that uh that registered and uh we we hope to meet
01:19:21.800 again next month i think i've got the guest down pat for something it's going to be a very important
01:19:27.760 topic but i want to thank you all for being here so heavenly father we want to thank you
01:19:32.200 As we enter this fall season, Lord, it's a time of anticipation.
01:19:36.600 My favorite time of the year, the days are cool, and we can still get lots of work done.
01:19:42.580 But Father, all of nature outside is just so full of your creative work, and we have so much to be thankful for.
01:19:56.740 Certainly, Lord, our countries are not what they used to be decades ago.
01:20:02.200 And times have changed.
01:20:04.800 But, Lord, each and every day we can find so many things to be thankful for.
01:20:10.120 The gift of life, the breath in our lungs, the beating of our hearts, family and friends in love, the gift of Jesus Christ, the death of the Son of God, the redemptive work of Christ.
01:20:30.800 the promise of a home in heaven the promise lord that someday is coming well we shall all be
01:20:38.160 gathered together in the presence of god and with the saints of old we long for that day this is not
01:20:45.960 our our home this is not our eternal domain lord but father we just so look forward to that day
01:20:53.440 but in the meantime lord you are equipping us and have equipped us to do such an important work
01:20:58.620 to be the light in this world and i thank you lord for those that we are able to to share our
01:21:05.380 faith with and uh for those that we are able to um uh to point christ to and those that that
01:21:12.680 are harvested into uh eternal salvation so lord i pray your special blessing upon pastor matt and
01:21:19.840 his family his growing family his ministry his church father and i pray lord for the work
01:21:25.760 continued work of action for Canada and all of our guests that were able to join with us today
01:21:31.260 and those that were not able to, may they benefit from this presentation today. And Lord, we just
01:21:37.220 pray that you will continue to bless as you enable us, Lord. And so we ask and pray that you will
01:21:46.400 bless our lands, bless Canada, the United States, Father, we ask this now in Jesus' name. Amen.
01:21:52.400 amen god bless you all thanks again for joining and we trust that we'll see you next time god bless you