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In this episode of the pod, we catch up with one of our good friends and streamers, EDdie. We talk about his life as a streamer, what it's like to be a Streamer in 2019, the Cardi B situation, and much more!
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what are we talking about what's this emergency meeting about i mean dude i just feel like you
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and i need to be talking on stream a few times you know a year you know just a few times a year
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bounce off genius from genius idea to idea you look good bro you look good looking good too man
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you're looking healthy i am healthy but i need to get a haircut i i'm looking homeless right now but
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i'm gonna get a haircut today actually you like still get that barber to come and do your hair
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on stream didn't you used to do that like ages ago yeah i still have he's downstairs right now
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sleeping taking a nap and then he's gonna come up here in a few hours and give me a cut wait your
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barber sleeps in your house no i have him sleeping in the tunnel system
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i'm not even sure if you're serious anymore man um what you've been off to bro you've been good
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yeah yeah we've been uh we've been working hard behind the scenes man you know keeping
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everything's running you know just uh same business as usual you know you see what it's
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like you've been out here yes i was in australia it was very nice um and people were saying that when
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you came out to the club with me i was like the first time i've ever seen you out in nightlife ever
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so you're always working man i'm gonna and hey i really appreciate you coming out and saying
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seeing me and stuff that was fun i have to come out to australia again this year
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it was actually it was actually uh well it was like three days right but it was it was pretty
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sick it was good i think australia like no one will like australia doesn't have like
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you know quote-unquote like famous people right so like even like you're walking around like melbourne
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it was like what the did your did your people tell you that people were following me to my hotel room
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yeah i heard that i heard about it man you you like had stalkers going on then
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they tried coming up to my room i was sleeping and they tried coming in my bed not my bed in my room
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they tried literally getting into my room it was the craziest thing i've ever seen um nuts bro nuts
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wait okay so can we talk i know i love them too i ended up yeah wait eddie uh can we talk about some
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kick shit a little bit yeah yeah what's going on all right eddie well i actually want to talk
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to you about what happened like a month ago the whole cardi thing right obviously cardi you know
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that whole thing where you know he took from kick do you think that was a win at the end of the day
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for kick do you think that we got the w in that situation oh yeah no it worked out great for kick but
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i don't know it still felt like no it still felt bad like in the sense that you know he he like had
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the wrong intentions you know i don't like that i i don't think he realized that he kind of did you
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kick everyone a favor and kind of brought himself down but nonetheless like those you know having those
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wrong intentions going into that situation the way he did doesn't sit right with me so i don't like it
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for that reason but you know i think all in all it was uh was was a was a big win for us isn't he
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isn't he meant to come back on and like you know fix up or what he you know the fact that he kind of
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screwed us over i don't think it's gonna happen i'm trying but i don't think it's gonna happen eddie
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i'm gonna be honest with you bro sorry ah well no i think it was uh all good in the end but how much
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how much did did did you like give him in total in the end i think it was half
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well i'll half the total payment it was about half the ticket yeah
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i think well but all in all like he got a lot of backlash for that right like that was no way
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worth it for him yeah i think you know obviously i don't think you'll ever do something like that
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ever again but at the end of the day bro as far as kick goes i think as a kick
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we got what number one we we did a lot of crazy so i think it worked out in kick's favor
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yeah yeah in in kick's favor in your favor i think in like the whole streaming community in general i
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think that kind of like signaled to the rest of the world like hey look like streamers are like
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i don't know it was like a big win for streamers in general right like you kind of like positioned
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yourself above someone of that stature which was huge and i think like everyone else kind of
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you know had a win off the back of that as well so yeah the ripple down effect was was pretty big
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i reckon yeah yeah i reckon it was great um bro okay so moving on from that wait i gotta ask you
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this bro because this is a big one for the chat wanted me to ask this one i'm just gonna i'm gonna
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i'm gonna dip around kick console are we pushing that it's still coming
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yeah so the um the next one the first thing's coming out is like the tv apps for apple tv and
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android tv so that's like ready to launch um like even today like uh upstairs like we will like plan
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around with the the tv apps and then next steps console which is kind of like similar in terms
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of technical um sort of requirements a little bit different but um a lot of you know functionality
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kind of is somewhat overlapping sorry roku as well as apple tv uh oh i might have to get back to on that
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one make a note about that assuming the idea is to cover everything right like yeah i'm assuming that
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if it's for the initial launch then yeah it'll get coverage right like we don't wanna we don't wanna
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leave any open um anyone let anyone down essentially no of course not uh x is coming to miami by the way
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he i officially got him to come with the miami uh kick warehouse dude he was meant to be there like
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last week no no he literally bought a house he's like he talked to my guy tab he's like yo
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top pick out a house for me he bought a house and he's living here like five days wait did he like
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buy a house without even looking at it yes like time like took like a like a video or something from
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he's like yeah yeah yeah and he bought it yeah all right now that'd be awesome tell you what the
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warehouse streams were doing really good what's like why haven't you been doing them lately
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i've been going through some lately bro um i went through a whole war in the past few days
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um my twitter community but we're recovering it we're getting it back
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is the community back it's coming back okay it's coming back um and i'll be back by by tomorrow
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remove that man like you gotta you gotta bring it back
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you're gonna you you can't that's like man you gotta find a solution you need to like more i don't know
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like yeah guess what there was some factors in play that that are pretty complicated i take it
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yes the community will be back i you know i i made a big mistake and i noticed to never ever make that
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mistake ever again too much going down but the end of day bro i took a power chip and i up and i
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took accountability so i'm gonna bring it back and we give the people what they want
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no that community special like as long as it's doing like you know good things and not getting out of
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hand right like i don't know i think there's there's there's something there's something
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truly special there you don't want to you don't want to take the shortcut of just like yeah letting
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it kind of die out or you know almost kill itself in a way that is detrimental so i don't know
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yeah well just you're saying you want the combat i'm bringing it back for you bros i got you boss you
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win all right at the same time no be careful though be careful right i guess like when you've got that
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much influence over stuff like you you're gonna get yourself yeah i i i see why you probably had to take
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it down but yeah just just make sure you got like the right process in place you know got you kick
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v2 anything you can say about kick version two um yeah no we're the beforehand the idea around kick
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v2 was like we need to get this thing out we need it done asap like you know and what was ultimately
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happening is we're kind of heading down this road of kind of rushing it out which wasn't a good idea so
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we we kind of said you know what like obviously the state kick is in technically isn't where we
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want to be like you know that's very clear uh we we want to be you know kick from a technical
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standpoint has a lot of room to improve a lot of places it needs to do better and the idea was like
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v2 is going to solve all this but then we realized like okay now we're kind of cutting corners again
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and we're just getting up and they're having to make a v3 so we've kind of taken a step back like
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no let's just get this 100 right let's do everything perfect um you know if something isn't
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you know at bare minimum equal to the competition if not better um then then we it's not done yet
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right so you know i don't think there's there's a massive um need to move quickly for the sake of
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moving quickly like kicking its current state it works right like it it's not the perfect experience i i
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know but it works it gets the job done so you know we can continue to keep moving forward with
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what we have at this very moment but when we do you know get this kind of v2 out then then we want
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people to go like this is this is the real deal um you know there shouldn't be any complaints it should
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be you know complete feature parity complete you know technical parity with the competition and
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you know i don't want to be sitting here after this launch making excuses again you know
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that that's kind of the most important thing so where um it's it's been worked on it's our main
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priority right now put it that way that's good it's it's been looking to launch this year
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this year it's not launched this year then yeah no no that would be that'd be a real issue yeah this
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year for sure for sure yeah all right cool i'm assuming in v2 stuff like the pole system the
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vod system the clipping system it'll all be revamped um yeah the clippings ordinary vods yeah need a lot
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of work like yeah no there's everything you mentioned that cool cool is there anything you
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could say about the creator program um you know you know i see people getting paid by the hour um i
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don't know how you value that but how what what could you say more about the crater program and how to get
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um yeah so the crater program i think is like yeah by far one of the coolest things kicks done i don't
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think it's got as much attention as i as i feel it deserves like it's you know it truly is game
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changing for anyone who kind of has between you know sort of 50 to sort of 500 average viewers because
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that's kind of that sort of weird spot in streaming where you kind of just don't have enough traction to
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you know comfortably um look after yourself but you know you you're kind of still forced to put in a
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lot of effort to make it up that step so kind of the kcip i hopefully kind of fills that gap
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um yeah right now it's it's probably based on a bunch of factors a big ones like your ccv you know
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your chat activity um stuff like you know viewer retention there's a few sort of main sort of factors
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that come into play when it comes to how much you get per hour but yeah you essentially get paid per
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hour to stream um but that's the that's the the bare bones of it um i think there's well over 300
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400 people now who have access to it um i reckon you know get on that asap it's it's not going to
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like you know you can't like quit your job and retire the moment you get on the kcip it's not like
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life-changing money but it certainly helps like be able to get ready to make that switch over the
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thing is as you grow like if you if you get on the kcip and say you know averaging sort of 50 100 viewers
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whatever you know as you grow and and get to say a thousand and then you know the amount you get per
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hour kind of 10 x's 20 x's depending on on how you're doing um and you know it can start to become
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a real full-time job and you know the ultimate aspect around it is to try to make it so we don't
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have to rely on subs you know i think that's the weirdest thing is streaming like the whole streaming
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culture where like everyone's sitting there relying on subs and like please give me subs like
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i don't know i i'm just not a big fan of that i think it leads to content being kind of not the
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greatest um when everyone's kind of in the back of the mind like how do i get subs to to make this
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worthwhile so the idea being hopefully that you know people stop relying so much on subs subs are
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obviously a big big bonus a big aspect of streaming still but they can you know more focus on creating
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great content that brings viewers not people that gift them subscribers or donations you know so
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ultimately i think that'll lead to better content being made viewer experience being better but we've
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got to give it time we've got to give it time it's still an infant it was only launched like a month
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and a half ago right still super new oh no 100 thank you for touching base on that um and then obviously
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you know this is a question i want to ask you personally did north korea ever get back to you or
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anything about the what we did with the impersonation no they never said anything i don't know they've
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definitely would have watched it like you know the kim jong-un would surely watch that that would
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have got back to him like he would have been briefed in the morning like on it for sure wait he saw that
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oh well i don't know for sure but i i assume so like that was dude that was making like
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headlines like dude you you know who was like talking about everyone was talking about it yeah so
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he 100 saw that i can't say 100 but i assume so like it was making like it was making his rounds right
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like you know surely he gets like informed on what's happening in the world in relation to him
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and on that day that was probably the most relevant thing like god he would have been like what the
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what the okay all right all right it's cool it's cool um that's fine uh okay cool cool cool yo do you
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think do you think i'll i can maybe put it together do you think we could do a kit con slash kick stream
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rewards type ceremonies um i know you have a lot going on with cake v2 this year and stuff like that but
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uh do you think this is a possibility where we could do a kick on and a kick awards ceremony
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i think the kick on would be awesome right like i think that there's like an actual real demand for
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it um it's just about executing it you know i think it has to be something pretty special i like i've
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said this before on like my stream like i think to begin with the whole idea around kickcom was going
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to be this kind of like you know almost like this small joke almost like you know we'll just do
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something you know maybe some kind of one day night whatever thing but i think you know there's
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actual demand for something along the lines of obviously what twitch does like you know a proper
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convention with with you know actual you know full organization behind it so no i i i think i think it's
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i think there's already been like variations of kick on i think against some of these dream hacks and and
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other events like we've had a lot of people from kick go and it just shows that there is uh you know
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there is a true demand for i think there's like 200 people from kick at dreamhack in atlanta or
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something like that i don't quote me on that number but um it just goes to show that wasn't even that
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wasn't even like properly like promoted by us fully it was just like amongst a few sort of communities and
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stuff so yeah it'd be awesome i think it'd be just i tell you what when you mentioned the way you put
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like the the streamer awards that'd be awesome because obviously there's like the streamer awards that are
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run by those um you know those those other ones i can't remember qt cinderella and and those ones
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or whatever the streamy awards and i don't know i don't i don't really i think those ones a bit
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you know a bit different i don't know i think we could do something better you know i think something
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cooler i think there's room to expand on it i don't think i don't think that's the best representation
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of what the streamer award should look like when people think of like streamer awards it kind of sucks
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that they think of that one you know so i think there's i think there's something better that could be done
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who knows but top top's in the chat top said he could put it together pretty well top has good
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connections he thinks he could put something cool so it'll be great if we if we end up you know
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executing it like you said um yeah yeah i mean one one step at a time though i think like you know
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you asked a question about like you know v2 and stuff you know i think kick's number one priority
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right now is like get the product yeah you know get that get the the app the tv app the console all that
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kind of stuff up to scratch and then once we're like all right now we're on an even playing field
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from a technological product perspective you know then that's when we start filling the gaps
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and all these like you know really um you know community focused aspects that's the way i look
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at it at least i love that i love that eddie what could you tell me about the moderation system i saw
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like there's more kick bands and suspensions being you know enforced i know you're a person that loves to
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obviously freedom of expression and you don't like really censorship but you know you obviously have to draw
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the line what could you say about the new moderation that you've been that what's been going on with
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kick lately yeah no i think i think just like anything right um you let things get
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you give you give kind of an inch and people start to take a mile kind of situation like obviously
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yeah i think over moderation is dangerous um i think it can get out of hand very quickly but the
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opposite as well as is just as equally dangerous right um you know i like to say freedom of speech
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shouldn't be a shield for hate speech right like i think you know you got to be careful what you say
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online especially if you have a really large following you know if you do have a lot of people
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you know tuning in that comes with responsibility and then you know that responsibility ends up
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also falling on the platform too so you know i i don't think we'll ever go down the pathway of like
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over moderating but at the same time like you know you if if you let things get out of hand it gets
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bad it gets it gets nasty and we don't want kick to be known for the wrong things like i think kick
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should be known for all the great success stories like there has been so many success stories on kick
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there's so many positive interactions people have so many positive streamers there's so many creative
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channels there's so many gaming channels there's so much good stuff going on on kick it really sucks
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when there's like this one person that everyone's like oh kick is like bad because this so you know
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obviously i think we've kind of realized that there's not we don't have a perfect system like we've got
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to continue to like make sure that our moderation policy is in line with what we want the platform to be
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known for and i think um you know it's a balancing act right it's a balancing act i don't think it's
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gotten you know it hasn't changed massively our philosophy towards moderation hasn't changed i think
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our processes i think there was i think that there's been evidence that the processes we have in place
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weren't flawless there was flaws in our process of how we ensure a safe platform without you know
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over moderating at the same time so yeah we're working on it constantly man that's the thing right i i think um
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you know ultimately we just want kick to be a positive place that people associate with positive
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things yeah i agree man look people don't think about people never really get the you never really
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see the flowers kick that's like look what happened i came to kick there was no app there was really no
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structure i came to kick and i really think that you know we want to really talk about you know what
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i've done for this and you know chad i've y'all too the community too the community really does done a lot
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so people don't really talk about how powerful that is right you have a crazy community that really
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really makes this type of this platform thrive um kick is kick has been through we have like it's
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about about it it's been about a year since i've been here and it's just it's crazy to see like what
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they've done and you know what other like what i've done and what xqc's done so we got to keep going
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oh yeah no that's the thing no one wants to pick up on the positive stories right that that's okay that's
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just how things are right like you know we we get that so um but yeah it's about removing those
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negative situations people can kind of start what other questions you guys grab onto and run with
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because you know i ultimately i think there's a lot of people that want to see kick fail like i i
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think that's fair enough and a lot of people go i told you so it's it's not working out it's it's
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it's all it's all gone to shit and you know that's um that that's fair enough but i just don't
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think we can give those people excuses to kind of run off with these crazy theories and stuff so um
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yeah um i yeah exactly i think it's also the communities right i think the fact that
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you know you for example and xqc and heaps of other people have not only brought all their
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community up but they've grown their community even bigger that's true that that's kind of like
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there's also so many small medium streamers that didn't even like the first place they streamed here
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it was on kick right they built their communities from the ground up and a lot of that's on the back
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of you bringing you know your community over like so you bring your everyone from from you know what
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you've built over here to kick and then you know the downstream effect of that is is that creates
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a hundred other communities you know uh throughout throughout kick that that normally would never
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have had visibility on another platform so um you know there is so many there's so many situations
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like that which which get overlooked and i think it's about you know focusing on really focusing on
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those stories no i love it eddie i don't want to hold too much of your time chav you guys have any
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more questions for eddie now's the time to ask um he's been you know asking a bunch of i mean
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answering a bunch of oh eddie i texted you those five people i really want to sign we got to push
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for those people i'm telling you it'll be big yeah well dude i was talking i was talking about
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them recently yeah we like almost all good to go okay cool so we got some new signings coming
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that's good okay no but yeah you're with the signing stuff right like what we what we decided
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to do was like especially with the kcip stuff like obviously everyone's like sat around when we
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signed like you know you and xqc and all these other guys and everyone's like oh why are you
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signing like these big guys and not the small to medium guys or whatever right like that's been a big
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focus recently is like getting these everyone like with a small to medium-sized audience so like
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that that's that's kind of where our focus lies but if you're telling me get these five people we'll
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get them right they're huge just get them to reach out make a group on telegram with with me you and
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them and then i'll make i'll like expedite this and we'll get them set up right but perfect like from
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our standpoint like rather making these big headlines like kick signs this guy kick signs that guy like
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we want to like look after like hundreds if not thousands of of these small to medium-sized guys
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because honestly that's what makes a platform a platform it's so small to medium-sized communities
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as well like we need people like you like that's fundamental but more importantly we also need
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you know hundreds of smaller communities to thrive as well right that's what that's what makes this
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more of a platform than just uh you know the aiden ross.tv or something eddie what do you think
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streaming is what like where it's streaming's out right now what do you think is in your in your
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in your in your eyes peak content what what where is streaming heading towards like as someone who
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owns you know one of the biggest streaming sites kick so what do you what do you see streaming going
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um i don't know right i think i think for a while there there was obviously like irls sort of you know
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stuff going on which was like you know i think like boozy right like came along kind of mixed the game up a
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bit and did some crazy stuff and you know i thought i was popping but i think it slowed down a bit like
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that's the thing with stream right it's all trends right it's peaks and troughs like you know suddenly
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one thing's the trend then the next one is right i i'm not sure what is coming up next to be honest
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with you but um you know i think irl streaming still has a lot to well eddie next year if it's
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properly like i think it just needs to be like you know people need to go with a plan like you know
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have some like wholesome content like i think irl streaming got like really like polluted with like
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you know trying to get reactions and doing like the crazy which was i guess for the first month
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like we're like whoa this is cool but it obviously just i did not get big stuff kind of snowballed
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and started being detrimental almost but yeah i'd love to see irl streaming get back on track and
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people do some really cool wholesome stuff like dude your stream with xqc where you guys were like
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skiing and stuff it was so fun cool i love that yeah i really like that that's one of the best
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well me and x out of kava we wanted to do more stuff like that now that he's going to be here
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we're going to work out of the warehouse we want to host like bi-weekly like our own like type of
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like you know like our own type of like event um and we're going to do some more content but uh eddie
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you know when gta 6 comes out next year it's going to break tons of you know so streaming is going to
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always be here and here and here and here so um you know we're going to see a lot of a lot of cool
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stuff yo what do you think about uh the f1 team how's your f1 team i know you own one now so
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before anyone really so what's it like owning your own uh f1 team it's cool it's actually like
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literally i think just before i got on this call with you i was like had the the film crew from
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drive to survive out here they're like kind of filming some segments and stuff and doing some
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which is pretty cool so that's cool you know getting amongst it and uh you know i don't know
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i think the f1 stuff's awesome right it's you know it's such a global sport like so many people
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know what's going on like the amount of people who bring it up now they're like oh it's seen the
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stake f1 team is it's sick right um i know i think the team though is it's got a bit of you
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know work to do i think that he had a rough start to the season but you know i think it's uh i think
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they'll they'll turn around it's it's interesting you know it really it's just it's just an awesome
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sport do you follow it no but not but i follow uh now soccer you can now buy a soccer team i'll
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follow them but you should buy an nba team i know you aussies don't know what that is but nba
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is basketball man it's fun it's good sport it's good sport yeah yeah i don't know i don't know i
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think uh an nba team that's that's kind of like a big deal right yeah like oh like a real big deal
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oh eddie um i wanted to tell you i'll talk about it off off camera with you um i'm starting my own
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product um and i want to know if you if you would like to pitch and if you like to pitch i might give
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you some equity i don't know but your own product or your with you like you launched your merch
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recently right i i did my i launched i don't want to call it merch but i want to brand my brand risk
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brand yeah and it killed it killed it did amazing you know our first drop um but i'm but i'm also i'm
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gonna make my own product i want to tell you about it more off camera but i want to get you involved be
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great i'll tell you what well we're involved in a few things already man i'm uh i'm keen to double down
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yeah um aiden you got you got that midas touch man you know whatever you touch turns to gold dude
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it's uh uh you know what's good i'm all i'm here to support thank you bro god that makes me oh man
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that's that's amazing eddie i love you man always love uh chat w eddie eddie i appreciate you bro for
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coming on last minute thank you so much we'll talk soon man uh all love uh thanks man appreciate you uh
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having me on the on the stream yeah and shout out to aiden's chat i'm gonna come drop by later and
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put some uh some emotes in yes and give some subs you can give some subs too
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all right all right bro thank you all right w eddie chat w eddie w eddie i don't go long
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ask about dude what i don't know what you guys are saying guys are spending this clip i can't watch
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a clip right now bro like what is this clip i can't even watch it okay yo yo yo i'm right here bro i i
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came to change the the the the is the history i came to change the game okay i'm for you oh wait my
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bad y'all couldn't see it here put it put it back on my bad my bad my bad eddie said i got the midas touch
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chat that's amazing why is this now my camera's not working i can't like dude what is going on okay
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there we go wait where's the where's the clip just because my boys aren't streaming i'm gonna ask if