Alex Jones Show - 20030117_Gibson_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:09.000 You want answers?

00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:25.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the second hour of this live, Friday, worldwide edition.

00:00:32.000 Blasting out on the AM and FM dial, simulcasting at InfoWars.com and Net, and on Global Shortwave at 12.172 and 93.20 during the day and 5.085 and 68.90 at night.

00:00:45.000 Coming up in the third hour, we'll get into how they're imploding the borders, creating a Pan-American U.S. 0.98

00:00:50.000 Union.

00:00:52.000 We'll also get into how they're now arresting Americans for defending themselves in their own homes against intruders.

00:00:58.000 We'll get into the staged war with Iraq and much, much more in the third hour. 0.71

00:01:05.000 In the second hour, and that's right now, I am honored to be joined by Hudson Gibson, and he's almost 85 years old.

00:01:15.000 He's been well aware of the New World Order for 50 years. 0.85

00:01:19.000 I've seen his son, Mel Gibson, on national news, on live shows, talk about how his father taught him about the New World Order.

00:01:25.000 And I always love to talk to folks who have been aware of the New World Order longer than most of us have been alive.

00:01:32.000 In many cases, longer than our parents have been alive.

00:01:35.000 And Hudson Gibson, of course, was a railroad worker.

00:01:38.000 He volunteered for World War II.

00:01:42.000 He came back from the war and worked on the railroad.

00:01:46.000 He then got into organic farming.

00:01:49.000 He then moved to Australia and now has come back to the United States and lives in Texas, my state, where I hail from.

00:01:57.000 He's going to be with us for the next 58 minutes.

00:02:01.000 Mr. Gibson, it's great to have you on the show today, sir.

00:02:04.000 I'm glad to be here.

00:02:05.000 It's a great privilege.

00:02:06.000 Oh, no, it's a privilege to have you on because I want to know how you raised 11 children and kept them out of the clutches of the New World Order.

00:02:13.000 That right there is an incredible achievement in and of itself.

00:02:18.000 Well, I just told them that you don't believe what you read in the papers.

00:02:24.000 You don't believe every newscast, radio or television.

00:02:30.000 Of course, I caught on to that newspaper deal when I was, uh, I had a job where I, in the middle of the day off, and I watched those Armie McCarthy hearings, if you recall.

00:02:41.000 And, uh, I watched him and, uh, was very careful about what I saw and what I heard.

00:02:46.000 And then I'd read the account in the next day's paper.

00:02:50.000 And the only thing even similar were the names of the people involved.

00:02:56.000 They just lied, they slanted, they biased, You know who the devil is doing this and why?

00:03:04.000 What's the purpose?

00:03:07.000 Well, we know the purpose, world government, and we'll talk about your view on the war.

00:03:12.000 We'll talk about the biggest problem, the infiltration and control of the churches, period, Protestant and Catholic, worldwide.

00:03:19.000 And we'll also get into the U.N.

00:03:22.000 takeover, how the Masons tie into this.

00:03:25.000 We'll get into your view of this current war with Iraq, the economy, and much more today.

00:03:32.000 I also heard you talk about Prescott Bush.

00:03:35.000 Prescott Bush, Bush's grandfather, current President's grandfather, you watched the McCarthy hearings.

00:03:41.000 What happened every time McCarthy got into the fact that the government was controlling the communists?

00:03:45.000 What would Prescott do?

00:03:48.000 Well, he would put out some statement and You know, calling attention to the fact that McCarthy was all wrong.

00:03:56.000 He was against him every step of the way.

00:03:58.000 That's the only thing that made him notable.

00:04:03.000 Whenever anyone asked, Joe, hey, did you hear or see what Prescott Bush said about you? 0.99

00:04:11.000 Oh, he said, you mean Connecticut's mental midget. 0.97

00:04:15.000 I've seen those tapes. 0.97

00:04:16.000 I didn't see them all.

00:04:17.000 Invariably, that's what he said.

00:04:18.000 Yeah.

00:04:22.000 You know, Prescott was given the biggest fine up until that time, a million dollar fine, for trading with the Nazis, and running 53% of Nazi steel production through his outfit, and so we got the same thing today with George W. Bush, King George II.

00:04:38.000 We're talking to Hutton Gibson, and Mr. Gibson, we're going to break, we'll be right back in three minutes, okay?

00:04:45.000 Okay, fine.

00:04:46.000 Fantastic, just relax there for the next three minutes, we'll be right back and we'll go through this.

00:04:51.000 Step by step and get your unique analysis of the New World Order and the problems we face on how to get America back.

00:04:59.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:05:06.000 It is Friday, the 17th of January, 2016.

00:05:18.000 2003, I'm Alex Jones, your host this broadcast is in defense of liberty, eternal resistance to tyranny.

00:05:26.000 We beg God for his guidance and help in this fight against the dehumanizing forces of the New World Order.

00:05:33.000 We are joined by 84 year old World War II volunteer veteran And of course, father of the famous actor and patriot Mel Gibson, who's well educated on the New World Order.

00:05:46.000 One of the few outspoken voices nationally and internationally against this system.

00:05:49.000 We're honored to have a man who has incredible knowledge of the New World Order.

00:05:54.000 uh...

00:05:55.000 cotton you now i was reading all of the an article in the hollywood

00:06:00.000 reporter i'll go this is accurate you say don't trust the mainstream

00:06:03.000 media obviously did you really win the big national can't championship on

00:06:07.000 jeopardy in nineteen sixty eight

00:06:09.000 i did but they sure have exaggerated the amount of money papa but but but but but but but but but but but but but

00:06:25.000 but but but but but but It surely is.

00:06:28.000 No denying it.

00:06:29.000 It's there. 0.71

00:06:30.000 As soon as you say plots, you're crazy, but things like this don't happen by accident.

00:06:35.000 Even when I even brag about it and tell us they're going to give us a New World Order, I guess they figured we were too far gone to oppose them.

00:06:45.000 Would you say that we are in the final stages of a super tyranny, sir?

00:06:51.000 We're getting very close to it, yes.

00:06:53.000 We're going to have to wake up in a hurry and do something.

00:06:59.000 Absolutely.

00:07:00.000 You know, there's so many issues we talked about last night on the phone for 30 minutes.

00:07:04.000 Let's start with the real root of the problem. 0.99

00:07:07.000 The churches in America, both Protestant and Catholic, have turned into whores for the New World Order. 1.00

00:07:13.000 They're now getting federal money. 0.99

00:07:15.000 They're anti-gun.

00:07:17.000 They're open border.

00:07:18.000 They're pro-New World Order, from the Baptists to the Catholics. 0.87

00:07:21.000 How has this happened in your 50-plus years of study of the New World Order, sir?

00:07:26.000 Well, it's been a takeover.

00:07:28.000 In the Catholic case, it was Vatican II, called by that anti-Pope, I have to call him, John XXIII, good Pope John.

00:07:39.000 The only Pope in history ever praised by the Masons, or the first one at least, on his obituaries, which came years too late.

00:07:52.000 That is to say, his obituary would have been better if it had been printed Ten years earlier.

00:07:57.000 And the government now wants to take over the churches and have them as mouthpieces.

00:08:06.000 Bush announced on Monday his faith-based initiative for the occult New Age green groups.

00:08:12.000 Does that concern you to see this one-world environmental Gaia religion being promoted by Bush?

00:08:18.000 Does that sound like something conservative to you?

00:08:22.000 I don't know.

00:08:23.000 What are they conserving?

00:08:25.000 Certainly not Civilization.

00:08:28.000 Certainly not religion.

00:08:32.000 It's, uh... Fantasy, that's all it is.

00:08:38.000 Did you hear that Greenland's cabinet just fell, was dissolved for conducting satanic rituals publicly? 0.95

00:08:44.000 That's the London Guardian.

00:08:45.000 Did you hear about that?

00:08:46.000 No, I didn't.

00:08:49.000 Greenland?

00:08:51.000 It's getting more and more bizarre.

00:08:53.000 Here's the headline.

00:08:54.000 Cleansed Greenland cabinet falls.

00:08:56.000 The Greenland government collapsed yesterday because of a row about a phenomenon associated more commonly with the medieval period than the 21st century witchcraft.

00:09:05.000 So I guess, you know, you're talking about this infiltration.

00:09:09.000 In your study, how does skull and bones and all these other groups tie in to this destruction of the church in America?

00:09:15.000 Well, they're all in on it.

00:09:19.000 As I say, the root of it is in Rome.

00:09:22.000 And they simply follow the lead.

00:09:26.000 Pretend they're under obedience to somebody who has proven that he's not a Pope.

00:09:34.000 First of all, you know, you've got to be a Catholic to be a Pope. 0.78

00:09:37.000 That's the first requirement.

00:09:41.000 And we've had four in a row now that have no possibility of satisfying that requirement.

00:09:50.000 Well, the current Pope, and I've got his statements, has said, I know a lot of conservative Catholic groups have criticized it vehemently, has said that we need a one world religion, that all the religions worship the same God.

00:10:01.000 That sounds like an anti-Christ doctrine to me, Mr... Exactly, that's what they've been working toward.

00:10:06.000 They take the most numerous church, one with the most adherents, and infiltrate it.

00:10:13.000 They get over and dilute its doctrines and its worship.

00:10:17.000 The point where anybody can join it without a qualm of conscience.

00:10:21.000 Because they found out One World Atheism doesn't work, now they have to have a One World Religion.

00:10:26.000 And, uh, when you come down to it, we're going to have a One World Ruler.

00:10:30.000 And who's going to be the One World Ruler?

00:10:33.000 The odds are pretty good it's going to be another one of these antipopes. 0.99

00:10:37.000 Amazing.

00:10:38.000 Wars.

00:10:39.000 You were a volunteer for World War II.

00:10:41.000 Can you briefly tell us about your service there and then even within the war woke up to the phoniness and your view on this Iraq situation today.

00:10:51.000 Can you break that down for us Mr. Gibson?

00:10:54.000 Well, they did everything wrong.

00:10:59.000 World War II.

00:11:01.000 The first place Why was a fleet concentrated in Pearl Harbor?

00:11:07.000 You wouldn't even do that in the armiest days, would you? 0.98

00:11:11.000 You know, the house shit is okay, and nothing's the matter? 0.96

00:11:15.000 You wouldn't do it then. 0.99

00:11:17.000 It's strategically... uh... how could you say?

00:11:24.000 Unjustifiable.

00:11:25.000 So, uh, then they had this war set up, and they got the fleet out of the way, And we couldn't go back and attack Japan. 0.90

00:11:35.000 We had nothing over there.

00:11:38.000 Nothing in that region that would conduct a war, so we went to Europe.

00:11:44.000 And we were headed for Europe long before that because Roosevelt had done a deal with the over-aged destroyers and given them to Britain. 1.00

00:11:53.000 I think it was... Lend-Lease.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, Lend-Lease, but there's about 90 vessels of war.

00:12:00.000 And on top of that, we had the Just infantry divisions sitting in Iceland.

00:12:05.000 So they could relieve British, so they could go home and wait for us to come and invade the continent. 0.99

00:12:12.000 Meanwhile, the globalists funded Hitler and set him up and encouraged him with Neville Chamberlain against shutting up these boogeymen. 0.68

00:12:20.000 You also talk about how then, once we won the war, we divided it up with Stalin, who was at least as bad as Hitler. 0.90

00:12:28.000 Your comments to that, Mr. Gibson?

00:12:30.000 I'd say he was far worse than Hitler. 0.94

00:12:32.000 He's got a fine record of murder.

00:12:35.000 Millions and millions of people in the Soviet Union.

00:12:39.000 What he did in Ukraine is inexcusable.

00:12:43.000 What did you think when you read the papers and they were calling him Uncle Joe and how good he was?

00:12:49.000 Well, I have a very strong stomach, so I didn't throw up all the time.

00:12:54.000 What are these wars really all about, Mr. Gibson?

00:13:00.000 Wiping out the flower of the youth.

00:13:03.000 Getting rid of the people that are ready to oppose any takeover.

00:13:09.000 The people who can carry a gun and use it.

00:13:14.000 That deal where Roosevelt came out in the middle of the war and said we will have nothing but unconditional surrender?

00:13:22.000 That prolonged the war about two years.

00:13:25.000 And thousands of people died on both sides every day.

00:13:28.000 For that.

00:13:31.000 Well-headed, deliberate murder.

00:13:38.000 What do you think about the current situation?

00:13:40.000 Iraq's surrounded for 12 years, being bombed into submission.

00:13:43.000 They told Saddam to invade Kuwait.

00:13:46.000 He'd always followed his orders, attacking Iran, and with Turkey attacking the Kurds. 0.92

00:13:50.000 He was given the spray planes by the U.S.

00:13:52.000 government.

00:13:53.000 Senate reports admit this in 1994.

00:13:55.000 Alfonso D'Amato.

00:13:56.000 They left Saddam in power in 1991, so they had an excuse to encircle the country and commit genocide. 0.99

00:14:02.000 Now, today, what do you think about the war with Iraq?

00:14:05.000 What war?

00:14:06.000 What's that really all about?

00:14:08.000 Well, it seems to be set.

00:14:11.000 We're going to war whether we want to or not. 0.94

00:14:15.000 Every time they go in and find nothing, they get madder because he must have hidden it better.

00:14:20.000 He's not all that bad.

00:14:26.000 He has the country there with the most tolerance for Christians in the whole Arab world.

00:14:35.000 And one of the things they did when they were bombing with these missiles and bombs that they could drop in your vest pocket, they bombed the only Catholic cathedral in all of the Arab world.

00:14:47.000 Well, I know that.

00:14:48.000 I also saw that Saddam bought all the Christian churches, pianas, and then it came out that Israel actually funded in 73 Hamas. 0.75

00:14:56.000 They have been pushing and creating the radical Islamic groups to radicalize countries as a pretext to attack them.

00:15:02.000 Have you come upon that information?

00:15:04.000 Well, yes, I see it.

00:15:06.000 I'm not in a position to confirm it, but I've heard it.

00:15:11.000 It's just abso... You're aware of the Hegelian dialectic of problem-reaction-solution, aren't you?

00:15:11.000 It's amazing.

00:15:17.000 Yes.

00:15:19.000 Creating a crisis to offer a solution.

00:15:20.000 Can you speak to the Hegelian dialectic, Mr. Gibson?

00:15:24.000 Well, it's... It's been put in practice by the communists for certain.

00:15:31.000 What we call a communist compromise, where they...

00:15:35.000 Uh, they'll come in and grab your house and lot, property, and then, uh, uh, they'll offer you your car back if you'll let them have the license plate.

00:15:46.000 Good compromise.

00:15:47.000 Yeah.

00:15:50.000 There was another example of that.

00:15:51.000 A guy in New York who owned a, uh, auto glass store, he would go out and bust windshields at night so people would come to him in the morning and get him replaced.

00:15:59.000 No, that was good, yes.

00:16:00.000 So that's kind of a problem reaction solution system.

00:16:06.000 About this business with the 5th Infantry in Iceland occupying the December 8th.

00:16:17.000 My brother's 1st Sergeant, he was there in the 10th Infantry Regiment and he was sitting beside his bunk and along comes the 1st Sergeant and throws a silver star on his bunk.

00:16:30.000 For what?

00:16:31.000 That's that German plane you shot down six weeks ago.

00:16:34.000 We weren't at war, we couldn't give you anything.

00:16:38.000 So what were they doing there?

00:16:41.000 We're talking to Hudson Gibson, and he's obviously the father of Mel Gibson, and he's been fighting the New World Order, been aware of it for 50 years.

00:16:49.000 We'll get into a bunch of other issues after this quick break.

00:16:52.000 Stay right there, Mr. Gibson, okay?

00:16:55.000 We'll be right back.

00:16:56.000 Stay with us, folks.

00:16:59.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:17:06.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:17:12.000 I know that we have loaded phones and we'll get to your calls in the next segment because Mr. Gibson has been kind enough to take calls.

00:17:22.000 And I've got a bunch of notes written here of questions I want to raise, but Mr. Gibson, any points that you'd like to address?

00:17:29.000 Because you did your first radio interview as Hutton Gibson.

00:17:33.000 You'd been on Pastor Butch Paul's show once before, but not as obviously saying that, of course, you were Mel Gibson's father.

00:17:40.000 But you were on his show last night, and now you're doing radio interviews.

00:17:42.000 You're on this show, your second interview.

00:17:44.000 Why did you feel that you had to go public about the current phase of the New World Order?

00:17:52.000 Well, there seems to be little realization of it.

00:17:58.000 Anyway, not anyway enough.

00:18:00.000 And people simply don't believe you when you mention this stuff.

00:18:06.000 Now, at the same time, though, I'm seeing a major renaissance, a major awakening, though it's not fast enough.

00:18:11.000 A big professor, the dean of the University of Oklahoma, was on the front page of the Daily Oklahoma yesterday, saying it's a, quote, new world order takeover.

00:18:21.000 He said, quote, a new Rome.

00:18:24.000 Is that encouraging?

00:18:26.000 Yeah, very.

00:18:28.000 Depends on what side of the fence you're on, doesn't it?

00:18:33.000 No, I wouldn't think that was a great thing for our side that they are taking over.

00:18:40.000 It's nice to hear it said, though, in public.

00:18:44.000 Ah, very astute.

00:18:45.000 So you see it as them in the current takeover phase throwing it in our face now?

00:18:51.000 Yes, they've been telling us.

00:18:54.000 The word has passed around.

00:18:59.000 George Bush Sr.

00:19:00.000 used it on a couple of occasions.

00:19:06.000 You know, that's the incredible thing.

00:19:07.000 You can show somebody the facts, show them the legislation, and then they'll tell you, oh no, that's not true.

00:19:13.000 Why do people decide not to face facts?

00:19:16.000 Because it's too frightening, or?

00:19:17.000 Well, I don't know.

00:19:19.000 I think possibly they're, again, the fault of the school systems, where no one's taught logic anymore.

00:19:26.000 Facts don't mean anything.

00:19:31.000 Just, uh, let's go along like Pollyanna.

00:19:35.000 Everything is great.

00:19:39.000 Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better.

00:19:43.000 Go on.

00:19:45.000 It's great for tranquility.

00:19:47.000 If you go around with blinders on your eyes and plugs in your ears, you're going to be perfectly happy.

00:19:55.000 But the globalists are abusive and wicked, and if you go along with them, it's going to be very painful in the end. 0.81

00:20:01.000 I mean, their abuses are just legion. 0.93

00:20:06.000 They get you from every side, don't they?

00:20:08.000 Yes, sir.

00:20:10.000 A key question I want to raise...

00:20:12.000 How did you bring up 11 children and now you have 48 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren?

00:20:18.000 How did you raise your children to where they were so intelligent and so aware of the New World Order?

00:20:24.000 I mean, earlier you said, teach them not to trust what they see in the newspaper to question it, but I'm sure there was more to that.

00:20:30.000 For parents out there desperately trying to protect their children from this New World Order, how did you instill that in them?

00:20:39.000 Well, mostly by my After I got injured and moved to Australia, I got into a battle, and it was to get the church back.

00:20:52.000 And they could see that what was going on there, even in the little group we were trying to get things back, people would knife you in the back.

00:21:04.000 Everywhere there's evidence of a plot to take over the world.

00:21:11.000 You can't miss it.

00:21:14.000 In the church, for instance, they have this Vatican Council II.

00:21:18.000 They have popes that implement whatever they were.

00:21:24.000 I mean, it's mostly fog.

00:21:26.000 It's one thing that we always had.

00:21:29.000 Our doctrine was as clear as a human could make it.

00:21:33.000 Because we simply knew what we were talking about.

00:21:41.000 Kept it as simple as we could, considering it's a divine revelation.

00:21:48.000 And there was no question what was meant.

00:21:51.000 But to control... If somebody in the church said something, you knew what he said.

00:21:55.000 But to control the present and the future, you've got to destroy history, don't you?

00:22:00.000 You do, absolutely.

00:22:01.000 And that's another thing they did.

00:22:03.000 Among the things that they... In one archdiocese that I know of, and it certainly wasn't unique, All the priests were told to destroy everything in their own libraries, which they bought and paid for, some of them in the thousands of dollars, on their subject.

00:22:21.000 Destroy everything printed before 1958.

00:22:22.000 before nineteen fifty eight what are they after?

00:22:30.000 trying to rewrite history Stay right there.

00:22:32.000 We're talking to Hutton Gibson.

00:22:33.000 We're honored to have him.

00:22:34.000 Father Mel Gibson.

00:22:35.000 We're going to come back.

00:22:36.000 I've got a few other key questions for him.

00:22:39.000 Then we're going to go to your calls at 800-259-9231.

00:22:41.000 Please stay with us.

00:22:47.000 We're on the march.

00:22:49.000 The Empire's on the run.

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00:22:56.000 Do you wish you had a dollar?

00:22:58.000 Alright ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

00:23:15.000 Thank you for joining us today.

00:23:17.000 I know we've got a lot of callers here that would like to talk to Hutton Gibson.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, I'm impressed with folks that have known about the New World Order 50 years ago.

00:23:27.000 Hutton, I mean, was your big wake-up call when you saw You would watch actual hearings going on in Congress, and then read the newspaper and it was a 180 from what you actually saw take place.

00:23:44.000 Was that the big wake-up call?

00:23:45.000 When did you really learn about who was behind the New World Order and this move for a global system?

00:23:52.000 Well, I knew a few things before that, but that was a fine illustration of what I'd already suspected for one thing and another.

00:24:02.000 For instance, This, uh, shipping of, uh, nuclear material to Russia during World War II.

00:24:10.000 Uh, we, uh, we knew about it out in the Pacific.

00:24:15.000 And, uh, when I got home, nobody had ever heard of it.

00:24:18.000 And then they grab a couple patsies and fry them.

00:24:22.000 Yeah.

00:24:23.000 Heh.

00:24:25.000 And, uh... There's, uh, just, uh, evidence was everywhere.

00:24:31.000 The big sellout to Russia was, uh, Certainly a tip off.

00:24:37.000 I know a lot of fellows in the war who wondered why they went.

00:24:42.000 What were they doing out there fighting for our side and giving all the benefits to the Communists?

00:24:50.000 Now in your study of the New World Order, Would you agree that communism is a creation of the international bankers and the elite as a kind of a smokescreen for global empire to be set up?

00:25:02.000 Because the communists, according to Professor Carol Quigley at Georgetown admits, really worked for the bankers to help set up this global power structure, this polar world, which they're now merging together, the two sides.

00:25:16.000 You see America not reforming, But sliding towards tyranny, and Russia and China are the same as they always were, our government just tells us that they're good now. 0.99

00:25:28.000 What is this new world order?

00:25:30.000 I mean, it's certainly not just a communist system.

00:25:33.000 No, the communist system was a method set up by an enemy.

00:25:38.000 I was talking to my uncle, who must have been almost 50 years ago, and He's a lawyer, and he's been watching the government for years, and he said, if it weren't for this red menace, this communist menace, I would favor tearing down the whole system and starting over. 0.66

00:26:04.000 Too many laws, too much interference, nothing is right anymore.

00:26:08.000 Can't get anything straight.

00:26:10.000 But, see, at that time, neither of us quite realized that that's what the communist menace was for.

00:26:18.000 They set this up and certainly the bankers financed it, well known who financed it, and they just maintained this so-called menace, which couldn't get out of its own way.

00:26:36.000 But we were supposed to give up our liberties so that we could fight This terrible menace.

00:26:42.000 Well, it's the same thing today.

00:26:43.000 We've got to fight Al-Qaeda. 0.51

00:26:45.000 We've got to give our rights up to fight Al-Qaeda while they leave the northern and southern borders wide open.

00:26:50.000 Then it turns out Al-Qaeda was CIA created.

00:26:54.000 It was the big New York banks and British banks that sent the money to Lenin in 1917.

00:26:59.000 That's publicly out there who shut up the Communists in power.

00:27:04.000 So it's the same story over and over again.

00:27:06.000 And I totally agree with your analysis I want to do something here, Hutton Gibson, because we air this quite often here on the show, and it really states why we have to fight evil, whether we're going to win or not.

00:27:22.000 Because it's the right thing to do, and living under tyranny isn't living at all.

00:27:27.000 So let's go ahead and play that clip, and this is somebody that Hutton will recognize.

00:27:32.000 Go ahead and hit it, Mark.

00:27:33.000 What will you do without freedom? 0.96

00:27:37.000 Will you fight?

00:27:43.000 Against that?

00:27:44.000 We will run!

00:27:44.000 No!

00:27:46.000 And we will live!

00:27:47.000 Die? 1.00

00:27:49.000 Fight, and you may die. 0.99

00:27:51.000 Run, and you'll live. 0.78

00:27:54.000 At least a while.

00:27:56.000 And dying in your bed, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies That they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

00:28:22.000 Alright, I'm sure you've heard and seen that before, Mr. Hutton.

00:28:27.000 Yeah, who was that?

00:28:31.000 That's my last question for you, then we'll go to these calls.

00:28:33.000 I'm really honored to have you on the show today, and I appreciate you staying with us this hour.

00:28:39.000 I mentioned this to you last night and asked if it was okay to bring it up.

00:28:43.000 I know you came on to talk about the New World Order, but this all ties together. 0.91

00:28:47.000 Your son has made the best films of the last decade, the most patriotic, the most uplifting, Braveheart, The Patriot, and other films that really illustrate examples of tyranny where the general public can understand it.

00:29:01.000 We're all very thankful for that, very thankful for your education and guidance that helped produce this.

00:29:07.000 Uh, but your son was on the O'Reilly Factor and said that the media had been harassing you and that he was very angry about it and that he's getting harassment that he's never seen at this level before because he's making this historically accurate film, The Passion About Christ, that he's filming in Italy right now.

00:29:24.000 Do you have any comments or a response to that, sir?

00:29:29.000 Well, you expect to get the, uh, the shaft when I'm up here doing something good.

00:29:39.000 There are just too many devil worshippers out there.

00:29:44.000 You know, it's maybe a phrase, but it is accurate. 0.98

00:29:50.000 Like, what did St.

00:29:51.000 Paul say?

00:29:52.000 All the gods of the heathen are devils?

00:29:55.000 Absolutely. 0.61

00:29:57.000 And one of them was Mammon.

00:30:01.000 Richards.

00:30:03.000 The love of money is the root of all evil?

00:30:07.000 What is the mainstream media doing that would make your son so angry?

00:30:11.000 Are they harassing you?

00:30:14.000 Well, I'm not sure.

00:30:19.000 Now and then you get an approach.

00:30:20.000 Someone wants to talk on your own subject, which is, in my case, this terrible thing that's happened to the church.

00:30:33.000 And then it's going to be taken out of context.

00:30:36.000 And used against you.

00:30:37.000 I think that's what happened to the last thing that came along.

00:30:42.000 I'm not sure.

00:30:43.000 But I always figured, you know, every knock is a boost.

00:30:47.000 Every time I've been taken to task in public, I've picked up a few more subscribers to my wars now.

00:30:56.000 Well, they had a term in World War II.

00:31:01.000 If you're not taking flak, you're not over the target.

00:31:05.000 Right.

00:31:06.000 It's true.

00:31:08.000 So, absolutely.

00:31:11.000 Anybody doing anything good is going to be attacked by the establishment, and that's always a sign, you know, where their smoke is fire, that you're getting the job done.

00:31:20.000 And I'm very excited to hear that this production is taking place.

00:31:25.000 All right, folks, we're going to take calls now for Mr. Gibson, Hutton Gibson, and just have a question or a comment and then let him respond.

00:31:32.000 So I want to get a lot of calls in in the 20 minutes we've got left.

00:31:36.000 Let's talk to Bill, you're up first.

00:31:40.000 Where are you calling from today, sir?

00:31:42.000 Good morning.

00:31:43.000 Where are you calling from?

00:31:44.000 I'm calling from Missouri.

00:31:46.000 Welcome, go ahead.

00:31:47.000 You're on the air.

00:31:48.000 I'd like to just say I think he's doing a fine job and ask what both of you think about going after the state legislatures who send volunteers down to the borders.

00:32:01.000 We have to protect the borders or we'll lose it all anyway.

00:32:06.000 Okay, right now they're getting rid of the borders for a Pan-American Union.

00:32:10.000 In the polls, 90-plus percent of people in Arizona want the militia down there.

00:32:15.000 What do you think should be done about the destruction of our national sovereignty to the globalist, Mr. Gibson?

00:32:22.000 Well, I've always been a great advocate of states' rights.

00:32:27.000 I've been swindled out of them, the federal government.

00:32:30.000 Not just here, but in other countries, too, as soon as you have a federal government, It infringes on all the state rights, which it was not given in the first place.

00:32:39.000 The state reserved all its rights.

00:32:41.000 Doesn't the 17th Amendment tie into that how they took the state's senators, which were appointed by the elected legislatures?

00:32:48.000 That's right.

00:32:49.000 That's bad.

00:32:51.000 I mean, they make them supposedly subject to the people, and it doesn't mean that at all.

00:32:57.000 It means subject to the party.

00:33:01.000 Another thing we ought to get rid of is the party system.

00:33:06.000 Absolutely.

00:33:06.000 We get somebody we send up there to represent us, and he represents us maybe here and there, but a few of them have done properly, but most of them simply take their orders from the party whip.

00:33:22.000 They're not representing us, they're representing an oligarchy, a party.

00:33:27.000 And George Washington decried the two-party system.

00:33:33.000 Yes, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

00:33:34.000 TJ in Florida, you're on the air with Huntin Gibson.

00:33:37.000 Go ahead TJ, go ahead.

00:33:38.000 Yeah, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

00:33:39.000 Welcome.

00:33:40.000 I think that Mel Gibson should make the pitcher Atlas Shruggedon his next pitcher.

00:33:41.000 I think this would wake up a lot of people and it wouldn't hurt anybody.

00:33:53.000 Hey, that would be a good idea.

00:33:55.000 Or maybe a remake of 1984.

00:33:57.000 Or 1984.

00:33:59.000 Hey, you lived in Australia for a while.

00:34:01.000 I lived in the Fiji Islands for eight years.

00:34:05.000 And when I came back to the United States it was like coming back into a different world.

00:34:08.000 Everyone was speaking a different language.

00:34:13.000 23rd, John the 23rd, his name was Ron Colley.

00:34:16.000 He went to the same seminary as what Joseph Stalin did, and he was a Jesuit. 0.52

00:34:22.000 And if you look up the Jesuits, they're a pretty frightening organization.

00:34:26.000 I think Uncle Sam is acting more like Uncle Joe.

00:34:28.000 Let's get a response from Mr. Gibson.

00:34:32.000 Would you like to comment on what DJ just said?

00:34:35.000 Well, Uncle Sam is certainly acting more like Uncle Joe all the time.

00:34:41.000 I don't think Roncalli was a Jesuit.

00:34:44.000 I'm not sure.

00:34:44.000 I never heard that.

00:34:46.000 But I know that he was not a Catholic.

00:34:46.000 All right.

00:34:50.000 All right.

00:34:50.000 Thank you for the call, T.J.

00:34:52.000 Let's talk to John in Pennsylvania.

00:34:53.000 John, you're on the air.

00:34:54.000 Go ahead.

00:34:56.000 Thank you for taking my call.

00:34:58.000 Mr. Gibson, I'm a Catholic and I have a question for you.

00:35:05.000 I'm a Franciscan of the Order of St.

00:35:07.000 Francis of Assisi.

00:35:10.000 How can I get a hold of you?

00:35:11.000 Are you in the United States?

00:35:14.000 Well, we're not here to give out his personal information, but yes, Mr. Gibson is in Texas.

00:35:20.000 Mr. Gibson, you've had a newsletter for decades that basically just goes out.

00:35:28.000 How can people get your newsletter?

00:35:29.000 I think that's a good question.

00:35:32.000 Well, and can I have a follow-up if I can?

00:35:34.000 Okay, go ahead and follow up and we'll get his answers.

00:35:36.000 Okay, um, Mr. Gibson, uh, who is your bishop?

00:35:40.000 Um, I'm very surprised that somebody knows that we've had, uh, forty anti-popes in the church.

00:35:47.000 Um, our last valid pope was, um, uh, past the twelfth.

00:35:52.000 My question is, who is your bishop right now?

00:35:54.000 Because for all I know, there's only two bishops left in the Catholic Church that haven't apostatized.

00:36:00.000 And that's, uh, Archbishop Vazalos in New York.

00:36:06.000 Okay, I'm going to have to let you go.

00:36:08.000 Go ahead and comment on what he had to say, if you'd like, Mr. Gibson.

00:36:12.000 Well, there is Bishop Vazalos.

00:36:17.000 He may or may not be a bishop, but he's not a Catholic bishop.

00:36:24.000 The other one, I suppose, is of the same stripe.

00:36:28.000 So it's all here?

00:36:29.000 I have no particular bishop.

00:36:32.000 We are here without bishops.

00:36:33.000 That's the trouble.

00:36:36.000 There are bishops in the world, but they're not much in... I know there's none in Australia.

00:36:42.000 And there's very few, even acclaimed to it, anywhere else.

00:36:46.000 So they're basically all New World Order minions?

00:36:50.000 Yes, they belong to this phony new church.

00:36:55.000 Alright.

00:36:56.000 Almost all of them, and we cannot Recognize them as our superiors, or we join them.

00:37:02.000 We either object to them, or we follow them.

00:37:07.000 How do folks get your newsletter, if they like to?

00:37:10.000 It's uh, just write me, uh, Huck and Gibson at uh, uh, 13121 Louetta Road,

00:37:21.000 PMD 205, Cyprus.

00:37:26.000 That's the tree, not the island.

00:37:29.000 C-Y-P-R-E-S-S. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Texas 77429.

00:37:34.000 And, uh, how much is the newsletter?

00:37:38.000 Oh, I charge five dollars a year.

00:37:40.000 You might get, uh, you're not guaranteed a number of issues.

00:37:44.000 I try to get out four a year, which I've been doing for the last seven or eight, anyway.

00:37:49.000 Uh, at the moment, I'm a little short on material.

00:37:52.000 I didn't get four out this past year.

00:37:55.000 Well, I appreciate that information.

00:37:55.000 All right.

00:37:57.000 That address one more time for folks that may have missed it.

00:38:02.000 13121 Blue Weather, L-O-U-E-T-T-A Road, PMB 205, Cypress, C-Y-P-R-E-S-S, Texas, 7-7-4-2-9.

00:38:18.000 And I want to make it clear that it's not just the Catholic Church, it's the Protestant Churches, it's all the major organizations, it's the NRA, it's every group we're supposed to be able to count on.

00:38:31.000 Every time I investigate them, they're run by top New World Order minions.

00:38:35.000 Has that been your experience, Mr. Gibson?

00:38:38.000 Oh, yes.

00:38:39.000 The courts are run by them.

00:38:42.000 Everybody seems to be in the soup.

00:38:45.000 Run by the Globalist.

00:38:47.000 Yes.

00:38:49.000 Let's take... Go ahead.

00:38:50.000 There's an exception there in the Chief Justice in the Alabama Supreme Court.

00:38:56.000 No, yeah, but he's under big-time attack.

00:38:58.000 Yes.

00:38:59.000 He had the nerve to put the Bible in the Justice Building.

00:39:07.000 How dare him?

00:39:08.000 State Court.

00:39:10.000 Mark in Minnesota.

00:39:11.000 Mark, you're on the air with Hutton Gibson.

00:39:13.000 Go ahead, Mark.

00:39:15.000 Hey, gentlemen.

00:39:17.000 These Chapter 501c3 laws, I've always thought it was kind of baffling because a church is prohibited from engaging in any sort of meaningful political activism.

00:39:28.000 But that's not true.

00:39:29.000 The First Amendment clearly states government stays out of churches.

00:39:32.000 Churches don't stay out of government.

00:39:34.000 Yeah, but the way, of course, these laws are set up, churches are prohibited from engaging in any sort of meaningful political activism for being merely tax-exempt.

00:39:43.000 But then the two major political parties, Their sole purpose is to engage in political activism, not only are they tax-exempt, but they receive millions in taxpayer subsidies.

00:39:53.000 And I think that's a little baffling.

00:39:55.000 And then some people want nothing but entirely government-subsidized campaigns.

00:39:59.000 Well, I mean, Bush announced on Monday they're going to fund the green religion Gaia cultist.

00:40:07.000 I mean, this is out of the... Mr. Gibson, isn't this a total violation of the First Amendment?

00:40:13.000 Certainly.

00:40:14.000 As long as it does not belong in the religion business at all.

00:40:17.000 It's fair to listen to religion, not to make rules for it.

00:40:21.000 But first they created the reverse of that, where the government bosses the churches, and now they're going to have the government just take over the churches.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 Hold on just a second.

00:40:32.000 That is textbook tyranny.

00:40:34.000 I'll let you finish up on the other side with our final segment, unless Mr. Gibson would like to stay over a little bit with us in the next hour.

00:40:34.000 Hold over, Mark.

00:40:40.000 We'll ask him during the break.

00:40:42.000 Our final segment to talk to Mark and Roger and Bradley and others.

00:40:47.000 We'll be right back.

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00:40:54.000 We'll be right back.

00:40:58.000 Thanks for listening to the M2K Talk.

00:41:10.000 Mr. Hudson Gibson, Father Mel Gibson, has agreed to stay with us 20 minutes into the next hour so that we can take all your calls.

00:41:18.000 Plus, I have a lot of news items.

00:41:20.000 I want to just mention a news item and get his response to that later in the show.

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00:42:41.000 Educate people, because they're going to keep blowing stuff up and then blaming it on imaginary enemies as a pretext for domestic police state crackdown with the Hegelian dialectic.

00:42:50.000 And we got a bunch of callers here, and Mr. Gibson, we were talking to Mark in Minnesota, we'll bring Mark back up, and Mr. Gibson back up.

00:42:57.000 Mark was talking about this takeover of the First Amendment.

00:43:02.000 Do you see any way to reverse this, Mr. Gibson?

00:43:07.000 Well, as far as I can see, there's the method of expatriation and repatriation.

00:43:19.000 What if just 10% of the churches said, no, we're not going to follow your orders?

00:43:22.000 They could never enforce it on all of them.

00:43:24.000 As you said, it's the leaders of the churches telling them to go along with this, isn't it?

00:43:29.000 Yes, it is, definitely.

00:43:32.000 The idea that the government is giving you something by exempting your religious contributions is nonsense.

00:43:43.000 The idea that they can tax your income is nonsense.

00:43:46.000 I... they...

00:43:50.000 If you... especially a working man...

00:43:54.000 You know, a tax is theoretically supposed to be on a gain.

00:43:59.000 A man goes to work for another man, and he works for a certain wage, and this is a quid pro quo. 0.58

00:44:10.000 He's putting in his labor for the other man's money.

00:44:14.000 And there's no gain involved.

00:44:16.000 It's a straight out quid pro quo deal.

00:44:18.000 It's an unconstitutional tax.

00:44:20.000 The income tax is unconstitutional.

00:44:24.000 It's certainly unconstitutional.

00:44:27.000 But even before the Constitution, such an item, such a method would be criminal.

00:44:34.000 And of course it started with Karl Marx, at least he's the man that publicized it, as one of the The ways to put the Communist Party in charge.

00:44:45.000 And then our government adopted it.

00:44:47.000 What does that make our government?

00:44:49.000 Communist.

00:44:50.000 Command and control.

00:44:51.000 Finish up, Mark, with what you were saying real quick.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, Father Malachi Martin, before he passed away, he wrote numerous books talking about Satanism inside the Vatican and the Vatican's complicity in the New World Order.

00:45:07.000 And I was just wondering if Mr. Gibson has read any of his work and what he had to say about Father Malachi.

00:45:13.000 Okay, thanks for the call.

00:45:14.000 We'll get his comment.

00:45:15.000 Go ahead, Mr. Gibson.

00:45:16.000 Well, I've read some of Malachi's works and I think he was part of the plot.

00:45:21.000 So you think it was this info?

00:45:24.000 A good deal of it, yes.

00:45:26.000 Alright, stay right there.

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00:45:30.000 Hutton Gibson, Father Mel Gibson in the third hour.

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00:46:19.000 We have the Father of Mel Gibson, Hutton Gibson, an expert on the New World Order.

00:46:24.000 I've been very impressed by his detailed knowledge, because I've been studying it for a decade, been on the air for eight years, and his knowledge is probably greater than mine on the history itself, whereas I study the propaganda, the manipulation, the legislation day-to-day.

00:46:37.000 It is really an honor to have him on the show, talking about, you know, parenting, history, the New World Order, and taking your calls, talking about the infiltration of the Church, How the globalists are destroying our society.

00:46:54.000 And a very interesting point was brought up.

00:46:57.000 Father Malachi Martin wrote the keys to this blood in other books that I've read.

00:47:00.000 And only talked about some of the New World Order system.

00:47:03.000 And in the last segment, Hudson Gibson said that he thought that he was putting out some misinformation, one of their agents.

00:47:10.000 They do that a lot.

00:47:11.000 They mix a little bit of truth, a lot of lie, or a little bit of lie with a lot of truth, as a poison pill.

00:47:16.000 Why would you say that?

00:47:17.000 I mean, give us your summation of what the New World Order really is, and how it's really run, compared to what Malachi Martin had to say, Mr. Gibson.

00:47:28.000 Well, how it operates in the church is to, uh, empty...

00:47:34.000 is change definitions on everything.

00:47:38.000 Don't...

00:47:40.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:47:41.000 They don't know what they're talking about, and they want to make sure you don't know what they're talking about.

00:47:46.000 So every time you turn around, a word means something else again.

00:47:53.000 Well, it's like liberal versus conservative.

00:47:57.000 It's what you get is a fog in place of the clarity we used to have.

00:48:02.000 They scramble the definitions when really they don't give you any choice at all.

00:48:05.000 It's the same system under different labels.

00:48:10.000 Exactly.

00:48:11.000 Wouldn't you call that a false choice?

00:48:14.000 Yes, I would.

00:48:18.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

00:48:19.000 Let's talk to Roger in Pennsylvania.

00:48:22.000 You're on the air with Mr. Gibson.

00:48:24.000 Go ahead.

00:48:25.000 Yes, and thank you, gentlemen.

00:48:27.000 And before my one and only question, I just got to say this is such a superb interview, and I've got a slew of questions for the future.

00:48:34.000 So I hope you two will conspire, make this on a regular basis, frequently.

00:48:41.000 And Mr. Gibson, I wanted to ask, on the movie biz now, I don't know, I don't follow the leftist liberals and the film critics, etc., but certainly your son's work is popular with us average Joes, and of course they can't quite say they hate Braveheart, etc., even though it's anathema.

00:49:05.000 They did attack the Patriots.

00:49:06.000 Well, even though these terrific movies are anathema to everything they stand for.

00:49:12.000 And I guess they just... I just wonder what your read is on the nature and the effectiveness of the lefties' attacks on your son, and if you care to expand on that.

00:49:28.000 God bless you all.

00:49:31.000 Mr. Gibson, any comments to what he just said?

00:49:34.000 No, you expect a leftist attack.

00:49:36.000 I don't think it worries either.

00:49:43.000 Well, absolutely, and it shows that people want good shows.

00:49:51.000 They want things that inspire and buoy liberty and freedom and love of God and country.

00:49:58.000 And it shows that people don't really want what Hollywood is force-feeding us.

00:50:01.000 Would you agree with that statement?

00:50:04.000 Well, they have their choice, haven't they?

00:50:06.000 If they don't want to go and watch the nonsense, then they do go and watch the good stuff.

00:50:13.000 It indicates that we are using our heads.

00:50:17.000 Of course, they appeal a great deal to people that are extremely young, and in these days, young equals uneducated because of the collapse of our school system.

00:50:37.000 My design We'll be right back with Hutton Gibson.

00:50:41.000 We got one more segment with him.

00:50:42.000 Time to take your calls at 800-259-9231.

00:50:44.000 Stay with us.

00:50:47.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk.

00:50:52.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:50:58.000 Telling it like it is.

00:51:00.000 In their face.

00:51:01.000 They want to enslave you and your family, ladies and gentlemen. 0.97

00:51:04.000 It's human history.

00:51:05.000 It's always happened since the beginning.

00:51:10.000 And I've always been impressed when I've seen Mel Gibson on national television, he always, when it's live, talks about the New World Order and fighting against the tyranny.

00:51:18.000 And now we know why, because his father has been an expert, has been studying the New World Order for decades, and knows his history well to the point that he won the big championship Jeopardy in 1968 before they moved to Australia.

00:51:32.000 Knows his history, and I guess those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

00:51:37.000 And a famous statesman said that.

00:51:41.000 It is very important to know history, because if you don't know history, you don't know what's happening today.

00:51:46.000 You know, that's really the point of all of this, is not knowing what good is, not knowing what evil is.

00:51:52.000 You have no definition, so you have no rudder.

00:51:54.000 You have no compass.

00:51:55.000 You don't know where you're going.

00:51:56.000 Take Pat Robertson two years ago, Mr. Gibson.

00:52:00.000 The big, you know, leader here in America, the big Christian leader.

00:52:03.000 It's not just the Catholics, it's the Protestants.

00:52:05.000 He said on CNN, China's doing what it has to do, this is a quote, with forced abortion and infanticide.

00:52:13.000 And then his clarification was even worse.

00:52:15.000 He said, well, they do need aggressive Planned Parenthood. 0.85

00:52:18.000 This is pure evil, 50 million abortions. 0.99

00:52:22.000 Bush won't even ban partial birth abortion.

00:52:24.000 You watch, he's not going to ban it, folks.

00:52:26.000 And I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but he's been blocking people from doing that.

00:52:29.000 Went after Trent Lott when he tried to bring that up with that story.

00:52:33.000 And then I had so-called Christians email and call me and go, you shouldn't attack Pat Robertson like he was the Protestant Pope or something.

00:52:43.000 How dare you do this?

00:52:45.000 When he's saying, because he wants his TV network in China, that China is doing what it has to do. 0.58

00:52:51.000 Mr. Gibson, how can people call themselves Christians but support forced abortion and infanticide? 0.71

00:52:57.000 How do they do that?

00:52:58.000 They don't.

00:53:00.000 It's not possible to be a Christian and support abortion.

00:53:05.000 Even un-forced.

00:53:08.000 I mean, this freedom of choice is nonsense, too.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, I mean, if I go out and kill somebody, that's not my choice. 0.94

00:53:14.000 I just killed someone. 0.80

00:53:16.000 Yeah.

00:53:17.000 But, but, I mean, how can, how can Pat Robertson, did you hear about that when he did that?

00:53:25.000 I did hear about it, yes.

00:53:26.000 Yeah, well, I've got the clip, and I've got his CBN website statement, where he made, I mean, I, I'm, and I got calls, people saying, I'm going to try to get you off the radio here locally, because you talk bad about Pat Robertson.

00:53:39.000 What about those babies?

00:53:41.000 Who's going to stand up for them?

00:53:46.000 You know, one way, it's a very short-sighted thing.

00:53:50.000 Look how much public debt is on everyone as soon as he's born.

00:53:55.000 And they're killing off half the people that are going to pay the taxes eventually.

00:54:00.000 Well, you had ten children and adopted one, and I've looked at the national statistics.

00:54:07.000 There are more people wanting to adopt good middle-class families More, just a little bit, the number's a little bit higher of people that want to adopt for how many abortions they have.

00:54:18.000 People have to go to the third world to get adopted children. 0.99

00:54:21.000 So, and take partial birth abortion. 1.00

00:54:23.000 That baby can be adopted.

00:54:25.000 That baby is viable outside the womb.

00:54:27.000 Why kill it?

00:54:28.000 But they won't even get rid of that!

00:54:31.000 What does that say about George Bush? 1.00

00:54:35.000 Well, we have to say he was one heck of a hypocrite. 1.00

00:54:40.000 And, uh, complicit, uh, An accomplice to murder. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Accomplice to murder, I would agree.

00:54:47.000 Let's go ahead and see how evil we've gotten as a society.

00:54:50.000 We just sit here and allow this.

00:54:52.000 Let's talk to Bradley in Arizona.

00:54:54.000 You're on the air with Hutton Gibson.

00:54:57.000 Go ahead.

00:54:57.000 Yes, hello?

00:54:59.000 Yes.

00:54:59.000 Thank you for taking my call.

00:55:01.000 A great show today.

00:55:01.000 And I just wanted to ask Mr. Gibson what he considers reliable news sources and where does he get a lot of his news.

00:55:11.000 For current events happening today.

00:55:13.000 Let me just stop you. 0.99

00:55:14.000 I would imagine he would say, don't believe anybody, check it out for yourself.

00:55:18.000 Am I accurate in saying that, Mr. Gibson?

00:55:20.000 That's correct, yes.

00:55:23.000 Okay, thanks.

00:55:24.000 Is that all?

00:55:24.000 Yes.

00:55:25.000 Okay, would you like to elaborate on her question, Mr. Gibson?

00:55:29.000 No, I think it's enough.

00:55:33.000 Okay.

00:55:34.000 Let's talk to John in Texas.

00:55:36.000 John, you're on the air.

00:55:37.000 Go ahead.

00:55:39.000 Can you hear me?

00:55:40.000 Loud and clear.

00:55:42.000 Are we fighting supercomputer, brainwave, mind control, you know that disinformation machine?

00:55:50.000 Are we fighting demons?

00:55:52.000 Alex doesn't like for you to say this, but are we fighting aliens?

00:55:58.000 Whatever we're fighting, how are we going to fight back?

00:56:01.000 We can't get violent.

00:56:02.000 Everything we do, they can outmaneuver us.

00:56:05.000 I'm not a defeatist.

00:56:07.000 Sir, if we educate people, we can fight them physically if need be to defend our families, and we still reserve that.

00:56:15.000 Can you get me some equipment to block out this?

00:56:19.000 Okay, sir, I appreciate your call.

00:56:22.000 Certainly, the government admits they have microwave guns, mind control weapons now.

00:56:26.000 That's been in the mainstream news.

00:56:27.000 Would you like to comment on anything that John just said, Mr. Gibson?

00:56:32.000 Well, it's just that if enough of us get up and fight, they can't throw us all in jail.

00:56:39.000 Can't kill us all.

00:56:40.000 And they're going to lose eventually if they take on the population.

00:56:45.000 Well, you know... Because we are a rather ingenious tribe.

00:56:50.000 We can work our way out of almost anything, as long as it's there in front of us.

00:56:56.000 As long as we know we're under attack and that there is indeed a war.

00:56:59.000 Yes.

00:56:59.000 And wasn't that what the Federalist Papers did?

00:57:02.000 Isn't that what the Committees of Correspondence did before the Revolutionary War?

00:57:07.000 Where they told folks who the enemy was, how they were violating our rights, and how we could fight back?

00:57:12.000 Yes.

00:57:14.000 They won.

00:57:14.000 And they did it.

00:57:15.000 But they had to get past the fear factor.

00:57:19.000 Yep.

00:57:21.000 Well, look, I mean, Of course, you have to say that the weapons these days are far more complex and efficient.

00:57:28.000 But I talk to prisoners.

00:57:29.000 But they're not all that good.

00:57:32.000 I talked to troops.

00:57:33.000 I talked to police.

00:57:34.000 A lot of them are starting to wake up, Mr. Gibson.

00:57:37.000 And so, we're fighting for the minds, the hearts, the souls out there.

00:57:40.000 We can win this fight, especially because of the folks that have been there for 50-plus years, like yourself, fighting this New World Order and educating others.

00:57:47.000 And the people you've educated, like your son, are now out there educating others with films like The Patriot and Braveheart and others.

00:57:57.000 I would just say this quickly, and then we'll take some calls, that I have had incredible success. I've done 600 radio interviews

00:58:05.000 plus in the last year and a half, and I've probably had 50-60 calls that disagreed and several thousand that agreed.

00:58:12.000 So I'm seeing a major awakening.

00:58:13.000 Whereas eight years ago on this show, I could load the phones with people that disagreed with me. Now you can't

00:58:18.000 find them.

00:58:19.000 So I do think there's a major shift. Is that because the New World Order is so out in the open now that they can't

00:58:25.000 deny it anymore?

00:58:26.000 I hope it's that far out in the open.

00:58:31.000 There are people that we simply won't see it.

00:58:33.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:58:35.000 Or have too much trouble.

00:58:37.000 Well, they've gotten away with this much tyranny so far while we're still armed with guns.

00:58:42.000 Imagine what they have planned is so horrible that they're so obsessed they've got to disarm us.

00:58:48.000 They've got something planned so horrible they know we'll physically fight back.

00:58:52.000 Would you agree with that statement?

00:58:53.000 Oh, certainly.

00:58:54.000 What happens if they get our guns?

00:58:57.000 We're cooked.

00:58:58.000 That's all there is to it.

00:59:00.000 If there's no No possibility of retaliation.

00:59:05.000 And they can go ahead and do what they please.

00:59:08.000 A slave is disarmed.

00:59:11.000 A disarmed man is a slave, exactly. 0.93

00:59:13.000 Politicians love disarmed peasants.

00:59:16.000 I love that bumper sticker.

00:59:19.000 All right, let's take some calls.

00:59:20.000 Let's go ahead and let's talk to Jim in Michigan.

00:59:27.000 Jim, you're on the air.

00:59:28.000 Mr. Hutton, it's a pleasure to talk with you.

00:59:32.000 I'm a Catholic that's been through a mines group and I figured out that the Reds are the Redcoats and they're behind the destruction of our church. 1.00

00:59:40.000 And I believe in Veronica Lucan, which has never been checked out by the church, and Bayside Prophecies, and also I believe that we're in, Sister Faustina, we are in the Divine Mercy right now.

00:59:50.000 And I hate this damnation of all the Jesuits. 0.92

00:59:53.000 There was Father John D. Smet, Bishop Frederick Berga, who Berga County was named after, Father Pierre Marquette, who Marquette County was named after.

01:00:02.000 They were very holy people.

01:00:04.000 They should be saints.

01:00:06.000 And let me, thanks for the call, let's get A response from Mr. Gibson on what you just said.

01:00:10.000 Go ahead, Mr. Gibson.

01:00:12.000 Well, I'm all for canonizing those Jesuits you mentioned. 1.00

01:00:19.000 But they don't canonize people anymore.

01:00:22.000 that they've reduced the requirements and they've got more canonizations than you can shake a

01:00:28.000 stick at more than at any time in history

01:00:31.000 and they are not capable of canonizing anybody.

01:00:38.000 That's what the problem is.

01:00:40.000 We have a fellow in Rome canonizing people, but he's not a Pope.

01:00:45.000 And the investigation is gone.

01:00:49.000 Mr. Gibson, would you say the entire Catholic Church, and I would say the Protestant leaders as well, are servants of the New World Order at this point across the board?

01:00:58.000 Almost all, yes.

01:01:01.000 And it's like that with almost every other major organization.

01:01:04.000 One more call.

01:01:05.000 Tom in Ohio.

01:01:06.000 You're on the air with Hutton Gibson.

01:01:08.000 Go ahead, Tom.

01:01:08.000 Yes, Mr. Gibson.

01:01:10.000 It's an honor to talk to you.

01:01:12.000 I'm glad there's a few people like you still around in the world who tell us what's going on.

01:01:18.000 When did you first feel this coming on, discover this new world order and realize it was happening?

01:01:23.000 Thanks for the call.

01:01:24.000 You got a bad phone.

01:01:25.000 Go ahead, Mr. Gibson.

01:01:26.000 Any comments on that?

01:01:27.000 Well, about the time the World War II ended and we gave everything to Russia.

01:01:33.000 The war itself was conducted wretchedly.

01:01:36.000 Very poor strategy.

01:01:39.000 Plus 26,000 U.S.

01:01:40.000 troops that were captured by the Communists or in German camps were taken by the Russians too.

01:01:48.000 Were you aware of the 26,000 U.S.

01:01:49.000 troops taken by the Russians and enslaved?

01:01:52.000 I didn't know how many.

01:01:52.000 I know there was none.

01:01:56.000 Nobody ever saw them again.

01:01:58.000 Off they are.

01:02:01.000 I want to thank you, Hutton Gibson, for joining us, and I want to thank you for all your fine work, and I hope in a few months' time we can have you back up on the show at another date.

01:02:10.000 Do you think we can do that?

01:02:11.000 I hope so.

01:02:13.000 All right.

01:02:13.000 Well, God bless you, and I really appreciate you joining us.

01:02:16.000 Any final words to the listenership out there?

01:02:19.000 Well, we don't know whether we're going to win, but we have to fight.

01:02:25.000 And why do we have to fight?

01:02:27.000 Because we're on the right side.

01:02:29.000 We're on God's side.

01:02:31.000 Absolutely.

01:02:32.000 Hutton, thank you again for joining us from your home in Texas, and be sure to say hi to all your great children, especially Mel for his fine work, and God bless.

01:02:42.000 Thank you.

01:02:43.000 All right, there goes Hutton Gibson.

01:02:45.000 I'll be right back with your calls and more news.

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