In this episode of Out of Order, host Alex Jones is joined by Pamela Hennessy, the media coordinator for the Schindler Family, and Paul Joseph Watson, author of Order Out of Chaos: Elite Sponsored Terrorism in the New World Order.
00:00:35.000Alex is away on business and we'll be back and return to the airwaves on Thursday.
00:00:39.000We've got quite a lineup for you today.
00:00:43.000Get sat down and get ready, because we're going to take you on a tour through several different interesting things that are developing.
00:00:51.000The first thing we're going to be talking about today, at the bottom of the hour, we're going to be joined by Pamela Hennessey.
00:00:56.000She is the volunteer media coordinator for the Schindler family.
00:00:59.000Now, some of you may not have heard of the Schindler family, but we're going to be talking about that.
00:01:05.000Basically what the Schindler family saga is about is a woman lies in a state of coma in the hospital in Florida and the courts are attempting to have her tube removed which would essentially cause her to die.
00:01:20.000Her family is fighting a very, very hard struggle to stop this action from taking place, and we were just informed today that Governor Jeb Bush in Florida has ordered a temporary stay, and that what they're trying to do, he actually filed a memorandum in support of preliminary injunction in the case of disabled Pinellas County woman, and we're going to talk about that with Pamela Hennessy at the bottom of the hour.
00:02:11.000And one of the things you really need to be aware of is that For example, Terry Schiavo, who is the person that is lying this whole thing with the courts, the only reason that they want to disconnect her tube and cause her to die is because she's made herself vulnerable because of a $750,000 medical fund that she acquired via a medical malpractice lawsuit payable to her inheritor when she dies.
00:02:43.000So, essentially, her husband is capable of making the choices to do this, and the government is more than willing to step up to the plate and end this woman's life.
00:02:55.000I think it's absolutely ridiculous, and we're going to talk about that.
00:02:59.000Then, coming up at the top of the second hour, we're going to be joined by Paul, let me get to his name here, Paul Watson.
00:03:14.000He's got a book called Order Out of Chaos.
00:03:16.000Elite Sponsored Terrorism in the New World Order.
00:03:18.000Now, his book blows wide open the official story behind a multitude of both historical and modern day events.
00:03:26.000Now, Paul Watson uses mainstream media reports to exhaustively document how governments are exploiting and even carrying out terrorist attacks to further their unified political agendas.
00:03:36.000If you remember, yesterday we were joined by Paul David Collins, who was talking about state-sponsored terrorism.
00:03:42.000Now, every reference article in Watson's book is available online, so you can cross-check the facts for yourself.
00:03:49.000We're going to find out today when we talk to him how both the Clinton and Bush administrations protected Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network before September the 11th.
00:03:59.000We're also going to find out about the highest levels of the U.S.
00:04:01.000government were complicit in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
00:04:06.000Many of the named 9-11 suicide hijackers are still alive.
00:04:11.000And the real culprits have never been officially identified.
00:04:15.000British MI5 has infiltrated the IRA and they're carrying out terrorist attacks to maintain a divided Ireland.
00:04:22.000We're also going to hear from him on chaos mongers who are arming tyrants worldwide as a pretext for endless war and empire building.
00:04:30.000And of course, this is something that has been demonstrated numerous times in the mainstream press.
00:04:34.000We're also going to talk about a despotic New World Order and how it's being constructed, how it threatens us all, and what we can do to stop it.
00:04:41.000And of course, the other interesting thing, as I mentioned yesterday, we're going to be joined by Greg Pallast, who just released an article called Arnold's Enron Secret.
00:04:50.000We're going to come to all of that, coming back from the break, and we'll get to that too.
00:04:55.000You're going to like that story about Arnold, and of course we're going to be joined at some point today by Alex Jones, who is going to give us a special report.
00:05:01.000Stay tuned, you're listening to the Alex Jones Show.
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00:08:26.000And we're going to cover some very interesting topics between now and tomorrow.
00:08:30.000And of course, when Alex returns, he will also continue bringing you breaking news and keeping you abreast of what's going on.
00:08:38.000Now, as I mentioned, we're going to have Terri, Pamela Hennessey is going to join us at the bottom of the hour to talk about the case of Terri Schiavo.
00:08:45.000And that's going to be very interesting.
00:08:47.000And also, some of the things that are happening in the news today that you can find on www.infowars.com.
00:08:54.000We're going to cover some of those real quick before we get to our guest.
00:08:58.000You also, we're going to open up the lines as well to you, so you can call in at 1-800-259-9231.
00:09:06.000And you can go ahead and start calling now if you'd like.
00:09:13.000Now, coming off of the InfoWars.com site, there was an interesting story today.
00:09:17.000There's actually several interesting stories, but the one that Particularly, I found interesting is Israel has gotten the green light from George Bush to strike Syria's terrorist base.
00:09:30.000Now, this is kind of an interesting article because this comes off of the AP, but essentially what's going on here is that the Israeli warplanes attacked an Islamic Jihad training base deep in Syria for retaliation in a suicide bombing at a Haifa restaurant that killed 19 people.
00:09:47.000Now, Israeli media said that it was the first Israeli attack on Syrian soil in more than two decades.
00:09:53.000The strike, which occurred late Saturday or early Sunday, targeted the Ainshah Saheb camp about 10 miles northwest of Damascus, and that was according to Israeli officials.
00:10:04.000The base was being used by several terrorist organizations, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the army statement said.
00:10:11.000Now, Syria has been warned more than once by the United States that it should close all of the facilities of the Islamic Jihad.
00:10:20.000Apparently it has not done so, and it is their policy, the Israelis' policy, after what happened in Haifa, to go after Islamic Jihad wherever they are.
00:10:29.000Well, the Syrian government has made no immediate response.
00:10:33.000Now, speaking on the Al Jazeera television network, Abu Imad al-Rafai, an Islamic Jihad spokesman in Beirut, Lebanon, he denied that there were any Islamic Jihad bases in Syria.
00:10:43.000Now, the interesting thing is that on April the 16th, 2001, Israeli warplanes blasted a Syrian radar station in Lebanon, where Syria is the main power broker, killing three Syrian soldiers.
00:10:55.000That strike was the first in five years against the Syrian military, and came in retaliation for an attack by Syrian-backed guerrillas in which an Israeli soldier was killed.
00:11:05.000Now, the interesting thing about this article is that, kind of in keeping with some of the ideas that I've been tracking, Syria is one more of those stepping stones before Iran, and then ultimately my belief is that the goal is to control the entire Middle East, Because when you get right down to it, our government, in conjunction with the Israeli government, desires to control the oil, because that would... You know, oil is one of those things that every nation in the world, no matter where you are, every nation in the world requires some form or derivative of oil.
00:11:43.000And, you know, when you're talking about the New World Order and the people that are trying to take control of everything, it stands to reason that you would want to control one of the most important items on the planet, and that is oil.
00:11:57.000With that control, you would be able to bring any nation to its knees, and control it economically and politically.
00:12:05.000And I think that's kind of an interesting thing, because that is where I think a lot of this is going.
00:12:11.000The other thing that was interesting, too, is Big Brother is now watching your children.
00:12:15.000And we've got a couple of articles on Infowars.com you want to check out.
00:12:19.000One of them is about security cameras that are watching Lee Lee School.
00:12:22.000I think that's the proper way to pronounce it, I'm not sure.
00:12:25.000But anyway, this is very interesting, because as you know, they will go to any extreme, any length.
00:12:33.000to make sure that they get this uh... they get this plan into place uh... this comes this article comes from uh... uh... let's see here to the news press published by newspress dot com uh... and its security cameras that are watching the lee lee school this is the first high school uh... in collier with this system and uh... the article goes on to say that graffiti sprayers burglars and other criminals beware personally always preface uh... these kinds of actions with You know, a thing that is somewhat justifiable or makes you feel more comfortable with what they're doing.
00:13:08.000The article says Big Brother is watching you at Lely High School.
00:13:11.000He's also watching students moving from class to class, eating in the cafeteria, and hanging out in the courtyards.
00:13:18.000The school just became the first in Collier County to install security cameras in hallways, the cafeteria courtyards, and around the outside of the school.
00:13:26.000The system, with 30 cameras, cost $40,000, but school officials say it's worth it.
00:13:32.000Yes, I am enthusiastic about the camera, said Ed Messer, Manager for District Safety and Security.
00:13:38.000He says it's not a privacy issue anymore, it's a safety issue.
00:14:21.000The tracking units to monitor children and teenagers are disguised as watches, mobile phones, and belts.
00:14:28.000And they've hit Australia to the outrage of civil libertarians and parent groups.
00:14:32.000Now, the latest in spy gadgets available in Australia are being marketed to anxious parents.
00:14:38.000They include a computer device and software that can record email and chat room conversations, and a clothing spray that can tell if teens are having sex.
00:14:48.000Australian company Internav's mobile phone sized global positioning system tracking device has emergency alarm button and software so parents can zoom in on a child's whereabouts using a home computer.
00:15:00.000Now this device is going to cost $895.
00:15:02.000Again, you know, these are examples of how silly things are getting, you know.
00:15:09.000The other thing we're looking at too is Skull and Bones.
00:15:14.000Now, there was a recent program on 60 Minutes about the Skull and Bones.
00:15:17.000Alexander Robbins, I believe, was featured on that.
00:15:20.000The Skull and Bones, as many of you probably know, is the Yale secret society that our president and his father and a lot of other social engineers have belonged to.
00:15:31.000A lot of people suspect or believe that the Skull and Bones is like the center of the onion in some ways.
00:15:39.000It provided the nexus for where these guys all got together and, you know, planning their takeover of the world.
00:15:46.000It's interesting to note that a lot of interesting people have been members of Skull and Bones throughout the years, and even the history of it is kind of interesting to track.
00:15:57.000Now, the other thing we're looking at, too.
00:16:03.000Finally, somebody got wise to something that was going down in Florida.
00:16:08.000Okay, this is the webcast of a concert by a Florida band.
00:16:12.000Hell on earth that was supposed to occur this past Friday night and feature a live suicide did not happen.
00:16:19.000And kind of along that same line, kind of illustrating how Hollywood is warping the minds of your children, there's a new movie out called Kill Bill.
00:16:27.000Quentin Tarantino has been pushing the extreme violence to 12-year-old kids.
00:16:37.000The film is Tarantino's first major film since Jackie Brown, six years ago.
00:16:41.000And it tells the story of an elite assassin, played by Uma Thurman, who is on a mission of revenge against her former employer, Bill, played by David Carradine.
00:16:50.000Now, Kill Bill is reported to be extremely gory, even for Tarantino, well known for his violent gangster flicks.
00:16:56.000Uh, such as Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, as well as the shock horror vampire movie, From Dusk Till Dawn.
00:17:03.000Now, at a press conference before the London premiere on Thursday, Tarantino said that over 100 gallons of fake blood had been used for the movie, and described how one fight scene in which Thurman dismembers 88 opponents with a Japanese sword took over eight weeks to shoot.
00:17:20.000Uh, she says, uh, or Tarantino said that he wanted to think of every way he could for her to disband and put an end to her enemies.
00:17:29.000Now, the director went on to talk about a gang rape scene in the movie, which he said was a sequence of hell of which he was very proud.
00:17:35.000Now, seated next to Thurman and other stars in the film, Daryl Hannah and Julie Dreyfuss, Tarantino said Kill Bill was a feminist statement, a film about girl power.
00:17:47.000Thurman also told journalists that her favorite scenes were when she used her sword.
00:17:51.000She says, I'm a very possessive person of my sword.
00:17:54.000She became one with it, she earned it, and she has to learn the hard way how to handle that thing.
00:18:00.000Well, Kill Bill is in two installments, with a second volume expected to be released next year.
00:18:04.000Again, this is an example of, you know, how Hollywood is, you know, really got their sights set There's a dynamic here.
00:18:18.000When they use violence, oftentimes they use sex and violence together.
00:18:23.000People wonder why no one has any respect for women.
00:18:27.000They wonder how come our children have a confusion about their sexuality.
00:18:32.000And not only that, what's expected of them as boys and girls or as men and women, Because Hollywood sends out one message and then society dictates another.
00:18:41.000You know, we've been talking, at times, we talk about moral relativism.
00:18:44.000Well, if it's okay, if it's my truth, it's okay for me, I can do this.
00:18:49.000And this is what the movies teach kids to believe.
00:18:51.000And then, of course, when they go out and do that, you know, you end up with all kinds of horrendous, horrific things occurring as a result of this.
00:18:59.000And if you ever wonder why your kids are confused, well, that's a big part of it.
00:19:03.000Because Hollywood is trashing their minds.
00:19:06.000Uh, and you know, that's something that parents have a responsibility to make sure that their kids are not filling their minds.
00:19:12.000I mean, you put garbage in, you're going to get garbage out.
00:19:15.000And Hollywood has taken a tremendous role.
00:19:18.000And facilitating the deconstruction of your minds.
00:19:23.000Not just kids, but also adults as well.
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00:24:27.000I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will be back on Thursday.
00:24:31.000think. We're going to continue the fight. 1-800-259-9231 is our number. 1-800-259-9231.
00:24:38.000I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will be back on Thursday. Alex is away
00:24:44.000on a business, and he will be giving us a special report.
00:24:50.000We're supposed to get one today from him as well. He's out in California, taking that
00:24:55.000business out there with Arnold Schwarzenegger. We're going to hear from Greg Palast during
00:25:04.000the third hour. Greg has dug into some interesting things and has come up with Arnold's
00:25:09.000Enron secret. That's going to be very interesting.
00:25:12.000That's a nine billion dollar secret that he has and there's a lot at stake of course.
00:25:16.000Nine billion dollars is a lot of money.
00:25:18.000But anyway, coming up, as I mentioned earlier, at the bottom of the hour, we're going to be joined by Pamela Hennessey.
00:25:23.000I want to read to you real quick a letter from Terry Schiavo's father, who has appealed, he's gotten injunctions to stop the feeding tube from being removed.
00:25:34.000Judge Greer in Florida has ruled three separate times to have it removed.
00:26:05.000Now, as I mentioned, this is an older letter, but the substance of what we are going to be talking about is contained in this.
00:26:11.000Now, as Terry's father, I have been designated as spokesperson for the family, and more important, as a voice for Terry appealing to you to join us in our efforts to reverse this travesty of justice.
00:26:44.000She has made herself vulnerable because of a $750,000 medical fund that she acquired via a medical malpractice lawsuit payable to her inheritor when she dies.
00:26:58.000Now the precedence that Terry's trial and ensuing verdict establishes should frighten everyone.
00:27:03.000Basically, any person that is impaired who cannot speak their mind is vulnerable to be legally executed.
00:27:10.000In Terry's case, where money is the motivation, the risk increases substantially.
00:27:15.000This ruling could potentially open the door to eventually include everyone who is a burden to his or her caretaker or a drain on the state.
00:27:25.000The court's verdict endorses a current movement attempting to legalize euthanasia in the United States.
00:27:30.000This is what this is really all about.
00:27:32.000Now, after hearing Judge Greer's verdict, our family reacted with a variety of emotions.
00:27:36.000The thought of our daughter's death by starvation is inexpressible.
00:27:39.000There is also empathy for the parents and families of murder victims, particularly when the person guilty of committing the crime goes on trial and is acquitted due to dishonest testimony given by witnesses under an oath of God.
00:27:55.000Now Terry's trial has attracted national media coverage.
00:27:58.000People have responded from across the country offering their support.
00:28:01.000There have been communications from people who also have family members impaired by brain damage and have recovered.
00:28:07.000They relate scenarios where their family member was in the identical situation as Terry.
00:28:12.000Like Terry, their child or sister would smile, laugh, cry, moan, show signs of recognition, and appear as if they were trying to speak.
00:28:20.000In every case, the neurologist interpreted these actions as reflex.
00:28:24.000In every case, the neurologist's prognosis indicated that there was absolutely no chance of recovery.
00:28:30.000Remarkably, and contrary to the negative diagnosis, they report that there was recovery.
00:28:34.000Most notable was a young man who walks daily, unassisted, on a treadmill, and a woman who, after 20 years, has fully recovered.
00:28:42.000Now also, we have the recently publicized case of Patty White Bull, who recovered after 16 years, and Terry Wallace, who recovered after 19 years, in a condition similar to my daughter.
00:31:17.000And I want to encourage you to join my program as well on Saturday nights.
00:31:21.000Now, before I get to my guest, Pamela Hennessy, to talk about this really heart-rending story about Terry Schiavo, I want to mention to you that, you know, the most important thing that you can do to combat what is taking place in our culture, our society, is to be informed.
00:31:39.000An informed citizenry is a prepared citizenry.
00:31:43.000And Alex has taken great pains to construct Put together information.
00:31:52.000He's somebody who goes out and gets these stories.
00:31:54.000He's cobbled all of this into several videos and a book that I highly encourage you to get.
00:32:00.000Now, not only do you want to get the book and the videos for yourselves, but you should order them for family members, friends, if you have anybody, contacts in your communities.
00:32:12.000I would get this stuff out to everybody that you can because, again, The more informed we are, the better prepared we are to deal with whatever comes down the pike.
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00:32:26.000Now this is the greatest evil that mankind has ever faced, and it is among us.
00:32:31.000It's a scientifically crafted global dictatorship.
00:32:33.000Sworn to enslave every man, woman, and child.
00:32:35.000Now, the United States government at all levels has fallen under the control of the desperately wicked New World Order clan.
00:32:41.000And indeed, we are hearing about this every day.
00:32:44.000The events of September the 11th mark the initiation of the final sick push of the Illuminati to consolidate their One World Order and transform Earth into a prison planet.
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00:33:53.000I just wanted to say that I don't believe there's any correlation that's really been proven between movie violence and real violence in a nation.
00:34:01.000I do disagree with that because there has been a considerable amount of study on that.
00:34:10.000I don't know if Alex has had her on the program, but I've interviewed her.
00:34:14.000She has spent a considerable amount of her life documenting the correlation between not only the You know, practical violence or violence that takes place in the world as a result of this.
00:34:28.000But she's also documented chemical changes that occur to a person's brain by observing, watching this.
00:34:35.000And there's also chemical changes that occur while watching pornography.
00:34:39.000Now, Japan is a large consumer of violent films and even comic magazines for children.
00:34:46.000And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.
00:34:50.000Likewise, I think there are many countries throughout what would be considered a decadent Western nation, which have low murder rates, unless, of course, they start banning guns and generally importing third-world immigrants who generally perpetrate more of the crimes in Europe.
00:35:09.000So I would contend, for most people and most kids, Watch a violent movie.
00:35:15.000They're generally not going to commit acts of violence, and I don't think that happens frequently at all.
00:35:21.000I think the concern is legitimate, but I think the existing laws that restrict kids from seeing rated R movies are adequate.
00:35:28.000I don't think that, you know, and I do believe that adults have the right to see violent movies.
00:35:33.000Well, sure, you do, but here's the thing.
00:35:36.000I would also concede that there may not be a direct Correlation.
00:35:41.000But I think that the important factor to keep in mind is that when people watch extreme graphic violence, it does a couple of things.
00:35:49.000Number one, it desensitizes them to violence, and it makes them more susceptible, I would think, to becoming violently oriented to where violence would be an option in whatever practical life activities they might engage in.
00:37:00.000Some media reports she had a heart attack, but that's not true.
00:37:04.000In any event, during this collapse of this medical incident, oxygen was cut off to her brain for several minutes, and because of that, she suffered profound cognitive disability.
00:37:18.000At that stage, Terry's husband, Michael Chivo, Uh, filed a medical malpractice suit.
00:37:28.000He said he was, uh, he expected his wife to live 50 or more years.
00:37:34.000The jury awarded him, uh, just over $1.5 million.
00:37:39.000And, uh, as soon as he had the money in the bank, he entered a, a do not resuscitate order into Terry, Terry's chart.
00:37:46.000He ceased any aggressive therapy for her.
00:37:48.000He's not given her therapy in over 11 years.
00:37:52.000And he petitioned the courts in 1998 to remove Terry's gastric tube.
00:37:58.000Terry receives nutrition and hydration via a G-tube and removing that tube will cause her to die of dehydration and starvation over the course of 10 to 14 days.
00:38:42.000The courts have found her to be in a persistent vegetative state, but there are 14 doctors On record now, and under penalty of perjury, who say she is not, Persistent Vegetative State, or PVS, is misdiagnosed 43% of the time.
00:39:01.000And no, so she's definitely very aware, but she does have profound brain damage, and she's not been given therapy or rehabilitation, so she's not But she's still a living human being, which is the most important, paramount fact here.
00:39:18.000And the problem with this particular court case and what is going on in Judge Greer's court, Florida has a very solid definition of what TVS is.
00:39:31.000And that is somebody who is completely unaware of their environment and completely unable to interact.
00:39:45.000And the danger part in all of this is that video evidence was submitted into the court and Judge Greer and doctors appointed by the husband in this case, the husband who wants Terri dead, said, well, you know, she's doing something, but it's not very consistent.
00:40:04.000So they're kind of lowering the bar for people who are disabled.
00:40:10.000The reason I want to ask you this is because I'm going in a direction with this.
00:40:14.000I think the audience should understand a couple of elements here.
00:40:18.000How did you get involved with this kind of a case?
00:40:22.000I actually, I had read about Terry's case in the newspapers for a couple of years.
00:40:29.000And in what I read, I always heard that she was comatose, she was hopeless, she was a vegetable.
00:40:36.000And then one day I heard on talk radio, I heard a host talking about the case, saying that she was not.
00:40:44.000So I went to the website, I read the court documents, I saw photographs of her, and what I saw horrified me.
00:40:54.000And so I got involved immediately and offered my help to the family to get the word out there that Unfortunately, what's been reported in the media is just not correct.
00:41:06.000What I'm amazed at in our culture today is the, you know, this is a culture of death.
00:41:21.000Myself, personally, I take compassion, like you do, with the idea that I don't think under any circumstance the government or any person has the right to decide whether a person who's disadvantaged incredibly in the state, to decide for that person whether that person should live or die.
00:41:40.000Well, I agree with you a hundred percent, and it's funny that you open this segment you know mentioning that it's important for people to do
00:41:49.000their homework and to find things out for themselves
00:41:53.000if your listeners will do a google or yahoo search on that phrase
00:41:58.000culture of death uh... they'll actually find a lot of articles and a lot of
00:42:02.000information that will probably frighten them
00:42:05.000the culture of death is is uh... a movement that i truly believe is afoot in this
00:42:26.000And the problem is, is that although they give you the hype that it's very controlled, state controlled, it's very controlled, The fact of the matter is that now it's becoming too convenient for the doctors and the medical people to just, you know, go ahead and do it.
00:43:48.000And a lot of very important historians believe that that was sort of a stepping stone into what happened, into the Holocaust.
00:43:56.000You know, that's an interesting thing you brought up because one of the things that I believe personally is that once, and this even kind of reflects back on the call that we had just a minute ago with Paul about violence and that type of thing, I think once you get to a point where you're so desensitized to the dignity and the value of human life, It just becomes easy to justify this action and that action.
00:44:21.000We analyze the activities of global elites that are enslaving the planet with these crazy notions.
00:44:31.000They're actually the purveyors of the culture of death, I believe, because their whole goal is to control and manage the population.
00:44:59.000I was asked personally to give a no resuscitation order on my grandmother.
00:45:05.000I refused to do it and the doctor and the nurse were very indignant about it and I was just I was shocked I was I was in shock when they asked me to make that decision and I said absolutely not.
00:45:34.000What's important is you have a human life here.
00:45:36.000That person has as much right to life as anybody else, and no one should have the authority or the ability to make that decision for me.
00:45:44.000No, you're absolutely right, and the decision to withhold nutrition and hydration from Terry Schiavo is being based on a concept that there is a quality of life, and who Seriously, who is to judge what quality of life is?
00:46:00.000You know, the argument could easily be made that Terry is never going to run a marathon, she may never get a position in Congress.
00:46:11.000Well, neither am I. I mean, we're using the wrong things to define what life is.
00:46:18.000Life is no longer an aware A human being, life is what you're able to accomplish.
00:46:26.000Or if you're a burden on the state, as Terry's father so aptly points out in his letter, if you're a burden to the state, if you're any kind of a problem to anybody, you know, this is the interesting thing, too, about the insurance question, you know, the health insurance question.
00:46:38.000They're maneuvering people into believing, you know, they scare the heck out of you.
00:46:43.000The insurance, again, this is my personal belief, insurance companies have actually got control of the medical market because they have allowed these prices to go so far out of reach that people can't afford healthcare.
00:46:58.000And the insurance companies gain control over your destiny, your health destiny, and your life.
00:47:03.000Because now they're in a position to dictate to the doctors and the hospitals what will be paid for and what will not be paid for.
00:47:10.000And inside of that equation is the question of whether or not, if you reach a certain plateau of economic burden on them, Well, guess what?
00:47:19.000They may say, we're not paying anymore.
00:47:21.000So they're either going to turn you out to the street or they're going to euthanize you.
00:48:18.000Stay tuned, there's more to come on the Alex Jones Show.
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00:51:54.000i want to uh... encourage everyone in the audience this is something i think
00:51:57.000is very very important everybody in the audience should take up
00:52:01.000because the pamela is fighting for They should contact the governor's office in Florida, Jeb Bush, who has, Terry will report here, filed a motion in court.
00:52:14.000I would encourage everyone to let the governor of Florida know that we will not tolerate state-sponsored executions of this nature.
00:52:24.000Pamela, what has Jeb Bush done recently?
00:52:26.000Well, as of today, Mr. Bush has filed an amicus brief into the case.
00:52:32.000Now, there's not a lot there that I can really comment about without being an attorney, but your listeners can.
00:52:39.000It is a public record, it is a court document, and they can view that on our updates if they go to Terry's website, and that is terrysfight.org, T-E-R-R-I-S, fight.org.
00:53:22.000One thing that I would like to say to your listeners that they really should do, you know, we're talking about this culture of death, and I think over the past 20 or so years, you know, attorneys have tried to encourage their clients through family law to have an advance directive or a living will or some other medical proxy that should they become incapacitated, what they will and will not accept as medical treatment, Your listeners need to re-examine the documents that they have governing their health care, and they should also seek out a life support directive.
00:54:03.000Now, the reason I say that is because, like Florida, a lot of states are adapting statutes that say food and water is life support, which is ridiculous.
00:54:18.000So, I would say to your listeners that they really need to examine that and talk to their attorneys, talk to their spouses and to their children about what their precise wishes are and make sure that it does get into writing.
00:54:35.000Terry had no living will and no advance directive.
00:54:38.000Her husband testified in court, you know, she told me back in the 80s she wouldn't want to be on life support.
00:57:17.000A very fine audience and a very fine program.
00:57:20.000Now, as I mentioned, we're going to be joined by Paul Joseph Watson here in just a moment.
00:57:25.000He wrote a book called Order Out of Chaos, the elite-sponsored terrorism and the New World Order.
00:57:29.000And this kind of reflects back to yesterday's program when we talked with Paul David Collins about his book, The Hidden Face of Terrorism, and how a lot of terrorism is actually state-sponsored.
00:57:41.000And when you get down to doing the math, It kind of makes sense, you know, and that's kind of what we're going to be talking about today.
00:57:47.000He's going to talk about how both Bush and Clinton, again, you know, another thing I believe is that the bipartisan issue is nothing more than a smokescreen.
00:57:56.000We heard from a caller yesterday about the socialism, you know, how he thought it was, you know, well and good and all of that.
00:58:48.000It is nothing more than a bunch of money-grabbing control freaks Who want to manage every aspect of your life, and control you, and get you to produce the things that they want as they live in paradise, if you will.
00:59:06.000And, you know, personally it's a very repugnant, repulsive thought, because I'm not an economic unit of measurement.
00:59:14.000I am a human being, and I am a productive human being, and I have a mind, and I think for myself.
00:59:22.000Uh, so I don't want them telling me what to do.
00:59:24.000I despise them telling me I have to wear a seatbelt.
00:59:27.000Uh, you know, I get tired of being told what to do.
00:59:29.000And if you ever wonder, at the end of the month when you get your paycheck and you look at all this money that flies out of your account, you start to figure it out when you start looking at where all this money goes.
00:59:39.000Because, you know, the very reason why you can't afford anything anymore is because They have homogenized everything in business.
00:59:47.000They've distilled it down to just a few select corporations that own everything, and the prices are fixed, and they're designed to keep you with your nose to the grindstone, and constantly just breaking your backs, working hard, so that you have nothing at the end of the month, but you've got to keep paying them.
01:00:07.000And, you know, it's like a catch-22, and it just keeps on going, and it keeps on going.
01:00:14.000But anyway, also I want to mention, too...
01:00:16.000That my program is called A Closer Look.
01:00:19.000It's aired on Saturday night on GCN, the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:23.000And of course, GCN, in my estimation, is the world's authority on what's really happening in the world because they have brought together a lot of very, very controversial talk show hosts who are out there doing the work and digging up this stuff and bringing this stuff to you so you can be informed.
01:00:40.000And my program and Alex's program tackle very similar issues, and we really do cover the bases.
01:00:48.000A Closer Look airs on Saturday evening at 6 to 8 Mountain, 8 to 10 Eastern, and I encourage you to listen to that program as well.
01:00:55.000My website, too, is www.4acloserlook, that's the number 4, acloserlook.com.
01:01:03.000I encourage you to go check that out as well.
01:01:06.000Now, as I mentioned, we're going to be joined by Paul Joseph Watson coming up after the break.
01:01:13.000And also, Alex will join us briefly during this hour to bring us a special report from Los Angeles on the Arnold Schwarzenegger debacle.
01:01:21.000And as I mentioned, we're going to hear later on in the third hour from Greg Palast, who has dug up Arnold's Enron secret.
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01:04:55.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:04:59.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:05:04.000And again, sitting in for Alex is Michael Corbin, and Alex is away.
01:05:08.000He is going to be updating us from Los Angeles, California this morning, or this afternoon, I should say, in just a little bit.
01:05:16.000He's out there covering the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial recall effort, and Arnold's Buying to take over as governor of the state of California.
01:05:27.000And as we're finding out, there may be other reasons for why this is occurring.
01:05:32.000This may have been something that's been brewing for a couple of years.
01:05:36.000It's kind of like an insurance policy, if you will.
01:05:38.000We're going to find out all about that, too, as we'll be joined by Greg Pallas during the third hour.
01:05:43.000We're getting our guest, Paul Joseph Watson, lined up.
01:05:46.000And in the meantime, I want to invite you to go to www.infowars.com.
01:05:53.000There is a whole litany of breaking stories concerning the New World Order, what's going on with it, and the whole thing.
01:06:01.000What's really interesting, there's an article on there from AP about the FBI sending Hamas money in the late 1990s.
01:06:07.000Now, again, We're going to be talking about state-sponsored terrorism and how this kind of thing occurs.
01:06:15.000And this article kind of illustrates that, again, you know, there's been some strange things going on.
01:06:22.000As I mentioned, Paul Joseph Watson talks about how the Clinton administration and the Bush administration were helping to finance Osama bin Laden.
01:06:33.000Now, again, this is an AP article concerning the FBI.
01:06:38.000While President Clinton was trying to broker an elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians, the FBI was secretly funneling money to suspected Hamas figures to see if the militant group would use it for terrorist attacks.
01:06:50.000Of course they're going to use it for terrorist attacks!
01:06:52.000Wonder what the heck they thought they were going to use it for?
01:06:56.000The counter-terrorism operation in 1998-99 was run out of the FBI's Phoenix office in cooperation with Israeli intelligence and was approved by Attorney General Janet Reno.
01:07:07.000Several thousand dollars in US money was sent to suspected terror supporters during the operation as the FBI tried to track the flow of cash through terror organizations.
01:07:18.000The FBI said in a rare acknowledgement of an undercover sting that never resulted in prosecution.
01:07:25.000Quote, this was done in conjunction with permission from the Attorney General for an ongoing operation and Israeli authorities were aware of it.
01:07:33.000Now, one of the FBI's key operatives, who has had a falling out with the Bureau, provided an account of the operation at a Friends Closed Immigration Court proceeding.
01:07:43.000Arizona businessman Harry Allen testified he permitted the FBI to bug his home, his car, and his office, and he allowed his Muslim Foundation's activities in the Gaza Strip to be monitored by agents and arranged a peace meeting between major Palestinian activists and gained personal access to Yasser Arafat during more than four years of cooperation with the FBI.
01:08:05.000Now, Ellen's FBI handler in the late 1990s was Kenneth Williams, an agent who later became famous for writing a pre-September the 11th memo to FBI headquarters, warning that there were Arab pilots training at U.S.
01:08:21.000Well now, Ellen, a Muslim convert, testified that he was taking a trip to the Gaza Strip to bring doctors to the region in the summer of 1998, when Williams asked him to provide money to a Hamas figure.
01:08:32.000You know, one thing as a sidebar to this, I interviewed a guy named John Loftus, who is an attorney, and he's worked in the intelligence agencies for many, many years.
01:08:43.000One of the things that he said, and again this kind of goes back to what we're talking about, about, you know, what did the government know about the activities of these terrorists before September the 11th?
01:08:52.000He was talking about, you know, that there's such things as intelligence blocks, where the agency like the FBI have These intelligence blocks and agents out in the street who might be doing their job, going out and digging up intelligence on these groups and things like that, may be legitimately trying to pursue these groups and find out what they're up to, but when they get the reports written and they submit their reports for any kind of prosecution or warrants or that type of thing, the upper echelons of the agency tell them, uh-uh, no, you back off of this thing or you back off of that thing.
01:09:26.000And, you know, in a lot of ways, again, you know, who makes these kinds of decisions?
01:09:31.000You know, who decides whether or not something should be pursued or not, and at what point is it justified that they are allowed to ignore something as paramount as that?
01:09:53.000get some comments from you guys one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one
01:09:58.000going on with this our article here about the uh... f_b_i_ it ellen testified that the operation that he was involved
01:10:06.000in uh... ended abruptly in nineteen ninety nine when he and
01:10:09.000williams had a series of disagreements over the operation
01:10:12.000and disputes that began when ellen angered the f_b_i_ by having an affair
01:10:16.000with a chinese woman suspected of espionage Now, Clinton's National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, said in an interview that the White House wasn't informed of the FBI activities, quote, we were not aware of any such operation, and that was according to Sandy Berger.
01:10:30.000I wonder why they weren't aware of it.
01:10:33.000Uh, FBI officials said that they tried to get Ellen to end the relationship and his work was terminated for failing to follow the rules.
01:10:40.000Now, what goes on here is interesting, is that Melvin McDonald, who is the former U.S.
01:10:44.000Attorney in Phoenix, who has championed Ellen's cause, said that the FBI's abrupt end of the investigation squandered an important intelligence opportunity.
01:10:54.000He, quote, he says, uh, Harry had been a tremendous resource to the Bureau.
01:10:57.000We did not have that many people like him with connections like that to the Middle East.
01:11:01.000Now, former State Intelligence Committee Chairman Dennis DeConcini, another Ellen supporter, said Ellen's work could have greatly assisted the FBI, but instead, you know, they've been busy turning their back to it to allow, to basically allow it to happen.
01:11:21.000Also, Congressional reports out now that says the terrorists could buy special equipment from the Pentagon.
01:11:27.000Again, you know, another one of these Interesting stories that ABC News has provided that the GAO found that the Department of Defense has not attempted to determine who is buying some of these exotic weapons, biological weapons.
01:11:44.000According to a draft report, which came out by the General Accounting Office, which was obtained by ABC News, according to this report, which is due to be released today and discussed in a hearing of the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Congress ordered the GAO, its investigative arm, to set up a phony company to see how easy it would be to buy surplus lab equipment from the Pentagon.
01:12:06.000Now, using fake names, GAO investigators went to a website that sells Pentagon surplus and ordered items that were needed to produce bacteriological weapons, including evaporators, centrifuges, bacteriological incubators, and protective clothing.
01:12:25.000So anybody can really walk in and buy it.
01:12:28.000In its report, the GAO found that the Department of Defense has not attempted to determine who is buying excess biological equipment and how these items were being used.
01:12:37.000Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of how inefficient and how incapable the government is of protecting you from terrorists.
01:13:13.000You know, they may not have had a plane hijacked in a long, long time, but nevertheless, they're still having bombs going off in Israel, killing lots and lots of people, and there's nothing that they can do to stop it.
01:13:27.000I mean, this ABC News report illustrates that there is no way that the government is able to protect you from terrorism, from anything like that.
01:13:37.000You have a responsibility to your families, You have a responsibility to your communities to be responsible and take care of the things that you take care of.
01:13:48.000Defending your family, defending your property, and taking care of your own.
01:13:53.000And that should not be left to the government to do, because the government cannot do it.
01:13:56.000It's not an efficient system, nor is it possible to do.
01:14:07.000As I mentioned, coming up a little bit later on in the bottom of the hour today, Alex Jones is going to be joining us from Los Angeles to give us a special report.
01:14:15.000On his observation of what's going on out there in California, where Governor Gray Davis is in the recall effort to recall Governor Gray Davis.
01:14:25.000There's two things that we were talking about yesterday, and that is, we're going to talk with Greg Powell today about his discovery of Arnold's Enron secret.
01:14:34.000But more importantly, the election is coming up.
01:14:37.000You know, it's my belief from just observing what's going on out there, it's my belief that one of the things that they're trying to do is they're going to get Schwarzenegger in a position to assure that California, and we know they've got Florida sewed up because of the fiasco that took place back in 2000, they want to assure that they have California and Florida, which are two very, very important states, uh... to uh... to bush
01:15:00.000uh... for getting reelected and uh... you one of the things that may be occurring out
01:15:04.000here is is they're getting uh... their their ducks in a row if you will
01:15:08.000in advance uh... of the election which is going to take place
01:15:14.000the interesting thing about this whole thing is uh... what palaces discovered
01:15:17.000about uh... this nine billion dollar uh...
01:15:22.000the asker with and ron and how important it might be
01:15:26.000that uh... are will be elected because apparently are old attended
01:15:31.000A meeting on May 17, 2001 at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, where he and Enron Chieftain Kenneth Way met with convicted stock swindler Mike Milken, and Alex mentioned Milken yesterday.
01:15:46.000Well, the deal is that there's been a suit filed by California, the state of California, by none other than Cruz Bustamante, demanding that the $9 billion in profits that were taken out by the oil companies during that fiasco back in the late 90s and in the early 2000s, demanding that that $9 billion be refunded to the state of California.
01:16:07.000Well, of course, our president and others in his orbit have a vested interest in some of these companies that Looted the nine billion dollars, and they're going to make sure that it doesn't come back to you.
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01:24:13.000Yeah, they're going to keep doing it until they're done.
01:24:15.000The only way we're going to change this country, I'll tell you, the only way we're going to change it is people in this country are going to demand people ballot.
01:24:22.000Well, that's one way, but I mentioned yesterday one of the things that's going to, the only way I see that this is going to be reversed is for every person in the United States and around the world to get back to what is right and get back to, you know, the basics and think right, because Until that happens, until we get over our greediness and our material, you know, we cannot be totally materialistic and hope to succeed as a culture or as a people.
01:24:50.000You're not going to get anybody in there to do the right thing unless you get paper ballots.
01:24:54.000Well, you've got to get people in there that understand that they're there at the behest of the people, not at the behest of the corporations or the ruling elite.
01:30:02.000Then you add to that his dad being the Gestapo officer and police chief, hanging out with Kurt Voltheim, the high-level Nazi, former head of the UN campaigning for him in 1986, when confronted by reporters saying, I don't care about the Nazi stuff with Kurt, I love him.
01:30:19.000Then you add to that all the other things he's doing, open borders, anti-gun.
01:30:24.000That's a whole other story of how the so-called neocons are falling after themselves, worshipping Arnold.
01:30:31.000But to have them in the news focusing on, oh, these allegations with the sex with the women, it's much more serious to have the comments where he wants to be a dictator, he wants to be worshipped by crowds at Nuremberg, he admires Hitler.
01:30:46.000So really that's, I'm sure that now from watching it and from being here on the ground, that that's the diversion, that's the distraction, because he couldn't survive having to say, oh well, I don't know why I said I loved Hitler.
01:30:59.000Uh, but he can't survive all the sexual garbage.
01:31:02.000And they're saying on the news, they've got Democrats up there going, well, Bill Clinton did this, and so what if Arnold did it?
01:31:09.000So also, morally, they're lowering the bar a whole other level.
01:31:12.000And I would predict today that Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to be elected.
01:31:17.000of the big reasons is a lot of the state has the Diebold touchscreen voting system, and
01:31:23.000Diebold was caught in the 2002 election manipulating votes right here in California.
01:31:29.000And Diebold and others are doing everything they can to keep this story under wraps, but
01:31:32.000at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com we have a touchscreen electronic voting fraud section
01:31:38.000that really proves that all of this is going on.
01:31:40.000But I would predict, and it's not a hard prediction to make, that on the one way or another we'll
01:31:45.000end up the apologidator, or however you want to say it, will be the next governor here
01:31:52.000in the fifth largest economy in the world.
01:31:55.000Then you've got Orrin Hatch, who admitted to the Associated Press that there's a Republican and a Democrat version of a bill to start the repeal of the 22nd Amendment to the U.S.
01:32:04.000Constitution so that Arnold can run for President.
01:32:09.000So they've got big plans for Arnold Schwarzenegger, and now they've lowered the bar even further You can pose in the gay pornomags, you can be anti-family, anti-gun, pro-open border, you can say you want to be a dictator, you admire Adolf Hitler, you want to be worshipped like Adolf Hitler was worshipped in Nuremberg, with the mass totally shutting off the thinking process is what Arnold basically said.
01:32:45.000But if you're a real conservative, a real patriot, a real Christian, you'll be called a devil worshipper by the Pat Robertsons of the world who say that forced abortion and fantasy is a good thing in China.
01:32:55.000So they're really scrambling the terms now, today, and there's a conditioning process going on where they go, well, the bar's been lowered, this is just no big deal, you know, all these women coming out and saying this.
01:33:07.000You know, Alex, granted, and the observation is very accurate, the sexual scandal, you know, from a political standpoint, with everything that's come before Arnold, is a very manageable scandal that doesn't really detract necessarily from the candidate.
01:33:37.000I mean, the World Bank and IMF have said in their own documents that whenever they come in and blow out an economy and consolidate it, which is where they get their power from, they print the money.
01:33:50.000Everything's about getting us overextended, getting control of us.
01:33:54.000That they will just put in different puppet leaders to take the blame.
01:33:58.000A few years ago, in the last year, in Argentina, they had, what, six different leaders in about a six-month period, every month bringing a new one in, blaming him, as they took the bank accounts, as the economy fell apart, as the World Bank took control of the water supplies, the natural resources.
01:34:17.000the roads, the telephones, basically the whole thing went into receivership of the IMF and World Bank
01:34:22.000and so they come in and the IMF and World Bank take control of the government
01:34:26.000they call it the IMF riot Then when there's no food, people go even more crazy.
01:34:31.000Then they have to call the army out to quote, restore order.
01:34:35.000They want things to race all the way to the bottom, like they've done in Iraq and many other countries, like they've done in Serbia, like they're doing in Argentina.
01:34:42.000Just with the economics, not with the military.
01:34:45.000And then after they've been able to do that, they can then come in and totally rebuild the entire economy with 100% ownership of the New World Order.
01:34:53.000So, it's the same thing with Arnold or Bustamante.
01:34:57.000Or any of these people, you put in the establishment candidate with the left flavor or the right wing flavor, but the actual actions are identical, just the rhetoric might be slightly different.
01:35:10.000And so Arnold is perfect for this Hollywood surface culture because he is a total and complete puppy.
01:35:19.000He looks like a robot when he's out there walking around with little kids, you know, children for Arnold.
01:35:28.000I mean, the whole thing is staged with a pack of goons around him, protecting him like the game show host was protected in The Running Man.
01:35:56.000We'll just give them bread and circus.
01:35:57.000We'll just give them a bunch of hype instead of real substance.
01:36:02.000Instead of somebody like a McClintock, who by the way is not perfect, but at least is pro-gun and wants to control the border.
01:36:09.000I mean, this is a great example for the globalists and the media of how they can sell socialism and big government and Nazism and perverted garbage at every level and still make it palatable and sell it to the people.
01:36:23.000So this is also a test for the population of will they buy this type of bondage.
01:36:29.000I think the answer is, at least out here in California, The propagandas work quite nicely on them.
01:36:35.000You know, on Infowars.com, you have an article on there about the Nazis in W's closet.
01:36:41.000This is kind of an example, too, of the kinds of people that he surrounds himself with, and these guys are about their own unified agenda to take over things.
01:36:53.000Greg Palast is coming up in the next hour to talk about his discovery of the Enron secret, Arnold's Enron secret, which may Have something to do with why it was so important to get Arnold in as governor because of this nine billion dollar profit.
01:37:07.000Nine or ten billion dollar profit that was taken by the oil companies.
01:37:10.000One of George Bush's favorite games to play.
01:37:37.000Yeah, like, power people don't want more power.
01:37:39.000And then we know from months ago, and again it's in the article I wrote back on On September 3rd, actually, I wrote the article the week before that.
01:37:47.000And I mean, I had mainstream news articles then about Arnold in some smoky room in Beverly Hills Hotel hanging out with the Enron chief and Michael Milken, the junk bond dealer, the felon, and they're all in there.
01:38:01.000I mean, Arnold's involved in all this.
01:38:03.000Arnold is a really serious, quote, businessman in all these backroom deals.
01:38:07.000He's connected to all these different people.
01:38:09.000So you're going to see a further milking and raiding of the state if they tell people, there's no more money, we're in debt.
01:38:15.000You're going to have to, you know, we're going to raise all these taxes.
01:38:20.000And then they suck the conservatives in to go, OK, how are we going to pay for it?
01:38:23.000When in trinity, look at the comprehensive annual financial reports, the double set of books that states, counties, and cities have, these guys have plenty of money.
01:38:30.000So again, it's just about a process of Buffalo and California with a spectacle, a smokescreen, and they're accepting all this.
01:38:36.000And there's Arnold going, we're going to stop this corruption.
01:38:45.000And he's more intimately involved with Enron and with Bush and his cronies that did it than Governor Davis, who, by the way, was involved in the scam with him as well, according to the Sacramento Bee.
01:38:56.000A couple years ago, I saw the articles where he would buy Power for the state at $137 a megawatt and sell it back to the power providers for a dollar.
01:39:04.000So I mean, you know, Davis is dirty too, but I mean, just to have one of the chief demons up there going, we're going to deal with this, this is absolutely terrible.
01:39:14.000You're good to me, you're going to have real, honorable, good work from everybody.
01:39:26.000I mean, it's like going to a hockey game or something where we all have stacks of t-shirts throwing out the bread, you know, in the circus and some heavy metal band going, we're not gonna take it.
01:40:44.000Sure, just one or two, because I've got to go out here and cover this story, and I've also got some meetings over here as we fight the New World Order, ladies and gentlemen.
01:41:21.000I was calling, I might be a little bit off beat, but you're talking about open borders and the Patriot Act and what is it, Homeland Security?
01:42:26.000They were, quote, scripting terror alerts for political gain, ordering the CIA and FBI to put out fake terror assessments to, quote, create hysteria.
01:43:31.000Disarm us, repossess our way of life, get us dependent, get us into the system, either our welfare or the criminal justice system, or into big pharma and the psychological Uh, you know, scams that are run by the psychiatrists and the psychologists, uh, get you somehow adjudicated to have some type of problem, financially, criminally, mentally, get you into their system.
01:43:55.000So I would take a caller you don't like the new gun bill they've got in the Senate sponsored by Republicans and Democrats that'll, if you've ever had a misdemeanor, you won't be able to own a gun, it'll register all gun owners, you don't like that, you feel like that's conservative.
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01:48:57.000Anyway, let's take a call before we get to the Great Palace, of course, is going to be joining me at the beginning of the next hour, but let's take a call.
01:49:17.000I think you were talking about this Homeland Security and Patriot Act and all the tightening down that's going on right now.
01:49:24.000I wanted to let the listeners know that this tightening down stuff really started in the mid-80s, just since 9-11.
01:49:36.000Everybody's got a focal point on it, but I remember in the mid-80s, like 85 or 86, all the federal courts And the big cities started putting in the metal detectors and the high security.
01:49:49.000And then some of the bigger cities that could afford it started putting it in all their state and city buildings.
01:49:55.000And this was in the 80s when things were, you know, back to the way they were normally.
01:50:00.000And you had to wonder, I used to ask myself, well, who are they protecting themselves from?
01:50:04.000There were no terrorists running around back then.
01:50:06.000They were protecting themselves from us!
01:50:09.000And you know, Brad, the thing is, is that, and you bring up a really good point.
01:50:13.000This all occurred in very subtle ways and it was always predicated upon one lone gun nut or somebody that did something that got them, they were able to whip the public into a frenzy to start accepting us.
01:50:28.000There was a woman that was getting a divorce, filed for the divorce, her husband came into the courtroom, shot her dead, and immediately the media jumped on it, we've got to have this, we've got to have that, and as a result of that they've got all these protections and securities in place for this one incident.
01:50:45.000But I'm like you, you know, I'm not a terrorist, you know, and who are these laws really construed against?
01:50:52.000Absolutely, and then the other thing I wanted to bring up is A caller back or so was talking about the paper ballot.
01:50:58.000You know, we all know these voting things are a sham.
01:51:01.000But you know, I have to kind of agree with Lysander Spooner, the writer back in the 1800s, where he basically said that a secret ballot doesn't do anything but create a secret government.
01:51:52.000Okay, coming up, I mentioned we have Greg Fallis joining us at the top of the hour.
01:51:56.000Greg is going to be talking about his investigation into Arnold Schwarzenegger and we're going to find out about his nine billion dollar dirty little secret with such luminaries as Kenneth Wei from Enron and Mike Milken, the convicted junk bond dealer.
01:53:27.000He's Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.
01:53:32.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:53:37.000And again, I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for the Away on Business, Alex Jones.
01:53:41.000And as you've heard the last couple of days, he's been providing updates, special reports from Los Angeles, covering the Arnold Schwarzenegger Devacol, if you want to call it that, which it certainly is.
01:53:55.000And the fix is in, and they are... they just continue, they just keep going at trying to raid, you know, the state and rid it of the corruption, only to replace it with a much more corrupt system.
01:54:09.000www.infowars.com www.infowars.com and also www.
01:54:20.000There's loads and loads of news on there to keep you up to speed on what's going on.
01:54:24.000It's kind of interesting when Alex was talking about Schwarzenegger and his Austrian connections and his love of Hitler.
01:54:30.000You know, there's an article on the UnforWars.com website titled, The Nazis in W's Closet.
01:54:35.000When Adolf Hitler needed money, who did he call?
01:54:39.000Well, he called George Bush's granddaddy and he was, you know, a lot of times people don't realize what's happened in the past and how much it affects what is happening now.
01:54:52.000And again, you've got to stay informed because you begin to realize, you start connecting the dots and you start seeing where all this stuff goes.
01:54:59.000I interviewed a gentleman on my program on A Closer Look, his name is Carlo Calvi, the son of the deceased Vatican banker Roberto Calvi.
01:55:08.000And, you know, Calvi was big in the Vatican Bank scandal.
01:55:14.000Of course, the Bushes and his relative families, they seem to have a propensity for scams.
01:55:22.000Peter Bruton wrote an excellent book on George Bush Sr.
01:55:26.000and the Iran-Contra scams and all that.
01:55:29.000Those people raided billions and billions and billions of dollars from innocent people in the United States from savings and loans.
01:55:36.000And, according to Calvi, the Bush family apparently does have some leanings toward Nazism and Fascism, because Calvi reported a meeting between Michele Sindona, who was a mafia guy in Italy, and a guy named Phil Guarino, here in the United States.
01:55:55.000Now, Guarino, if you do some research on Guarino, He was a big campaign fundraiser for the Republican Party, going back to Ronald Reagan and George Bush, and mysteriously he kind of disappeared from the scene during the campaign of George W. Bush.
01:56:10.000My estimation was it was kind of a form of damage control because they didn't want this question to come up.
01:56:16.000But you know, there are the connections there, and it's undoubtedly I mean, it's as obvious as the noses on our faces that what they're doing is this police state activity with Tom Ridge and the Homeland Security Act and all of these things with Poindexter, with Total Information Awareness, etc., etc.
01:56:36.000These guys are hell-bent On completely taking away all of our liberties and robbing us of our ability to think for ourselves, to protect our families and our property, and to enslave us in a total police state.
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01:57:18.000And we can't afford to be sleeping at the switch here right now, because things are really reaching a critical mass.
01:57:24.000Uh, the next presidential election is coming up next year.
01:57:27.000It's going to be interesting to see how this all pans out.
01:57:30.000The hope is, as we've been talking on the program, the hope is that if we get informed and we know what's going on, we can use our vote and our voice to put a stop to this and end this totalitarian regime that's on the horizon.
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02:06:21.000We're going to be getting Greg on here in just a moment.
02:06:25.000Real quick, to update you on what he is going to be talking about, there is, apparently
02:06:31.000he has been given documentation that discusses the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger was in
02:06:38.000a meeting on May 17, 2001 at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, which you heard Alex
02:06:45.000This meeting was attended By Enron Chieftain Kenneth Ley and convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.
02:06:53.000Now, what is interesting about this is that Bustamante had planned, Davis, Grey Davis and Bustamante had planned to make Enron and other power pirates, then ravaging California, pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits that they carried off.
02:07:08.000Now, here's the story, and we're going to talk about it with Greg, is the story that Arnold Schwarzenegger does not want you to hear, and that is that the biggest single threat to Ken Flay and the Electricity Lords is a private lawsuit that was filed last year under California's unique civil code provision, 17-200, which is the Unfair Business Practices Act.
02:07:28.000This litigation heading to trial now in Los Angeles would make the power companies return the nine billion dollars that they filched from California electricity and gas customers.
02:07:40.000Okay, so when we get Greg on, he's going to talk about this because this is a very paramount thing because if Schwarzenegger is elected, this whole thing could go away and those guys would get to keep the nine billion dollars that they stole out of the pockets of the Californians.
02:08:08.000About Germany and suggesting that your listeners should read more history, I was going to suggest that they try to find a copy of William H. Shire's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, or possibly Shire's Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler.
02:08:24.000There are so many similarities to what happened in Nazi Germany and what's going on now.
02:08:33.000The Reichstag fire, I'm here in Oklahoma City.
02:08:36.000Shortly after the bombing, I was calling it the Reichstag bombing.
02:08:40.000But Hitler's speech before the Reichstag after the fire in 1933, when he called for the Enabling Act, that was almost word for word George Bush's speech.
02:08:54.000Makes you kind of wonder where they're getting their material for his speeches, right?
02:09:17.000You know, it's interesting because one of the things that also precipitated Hitler's power, coming to power in Germany, was the fact that he used the street thugs to terrorize the citizens.
02:09:32.000Yeah, and one of the things we're seeing now, you know, a few callers back mentioned the fact that there were certain things that were occurring in the 80s that were a lot more subtle, that were kind of paving the road to where we are today.
02:09:48.000One of those things too that I observed was the proliferation of gang members.
02:09:53.000And not only just proliferation of gang members, but the well-armored and well-funded gang groups out of California that eventually have populated a lot of the major cities in the United States.
02:10:08.000And when you look at what's going on down on the street level, It makes you kind of wonder where they got their money, where they got their guns, and you know, the drug business.
02:10:18.000Right, we even have it here in Oklahoma.
02:10:22.000Yeah, and the cops act like, well we can't clean these guys up because there's too many of them.
02:10:27.000But, you know, the problem is that if they really wanted to put a stop to it, they could.
02:10:31.000But they don't, because they're being told to lay off.
02:10:33.000Because those kinds of investigations would lead to some interesting places, as Gary Webb noted in a series of articles that he did for the San Jose Mercury News, when he discovered the CIA's involvement in funding some of these gangs with drugs and weapons.
02:10:50.000My lady friend managed an apartment complex here in the city back in the 80s.
02:11:55.000Yeah, he's done a lot of research on this stuff, and you know, one of the things that, when we were talking about, you know, being informed and reading books and things like that, I highly encourage the audience also, if you can get a copy of Painted Black by Carl Rashke.
02:12:09.000This book was written in 1990, so it's a little bit hard to get, but Painted Black kind of outlines the aesthetics of terror, what Rashke, who's a comparative religion professor at DU in Denver here, He outlines this thing about what he calls the Aesthetics of Terror, and it's kind of a history of terrorism.
02:12:27.000And he kind of lays down the groundwork, too, to illustrate that not only is terrorism and Satanism walking hand in hand, but they are one and the same.
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02:19:00.000And, uh, this is in the middle of what we call the California energy crisis, the middle of the California energy Swindle about Ken Lay and his power company cronies ripping off the state.
02:19:13.000And the whole discussion was about undercutting the investigations by the state and federal government.
02:19:23.000Now, back in May of 2001, they didn't know who they could put up against Gray Davis as governor.
02:19:30.000Mainly, they were concerned about his lieutenant governor.
02:19:34.000A guy named Cruz Bustamante is actually on the ballot now, probably the number one challenger to Schwarzenegger, it's just a recall win.
02:19:41.000He had filed a lawsuit a month before the meeting, which was demanding $9 billion back from these power pirates, and stands a very good chance of succeeding, unless of course a governor of the state steps in and gets in the way, and that's kind of a The purpose of the meeting was to get rid of the short circuit lawsuit.
02:20:24.000And they had not only Schwarzenegger, but they had Reardon, who was the mayor of Los Angeles, who they thought might be the candidate for governor.
02:20:34.000So they didn't know which of these guys were going to step in, but they, you know, the idea is to have, hey, have all the politicians in their pocket.
02:21:04.000Now, you know, given the fact that these guys, including Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is probably par excellence in this department, given the fact that a lot of these guys give new meaning to skeletons in the closet, let's look inside of Bustamante's closet.
02:21:19.000Well, yeah, you know, one thing, I don't want people to get charmed, get the idea that I've fallen in love with some politicians of any party.
02:21:32.000In fact, yesterday I was viciously, I mean, I was like, I gotta tell you, I was viciously attacked yesterday for saying unkind things about my senator, Hillary Rodham.
02:21:52.000And for the Guardian Papers of Britain, which are probably the most influential in the world, and certainly my news program is maybe the most widely seen in the world.
02:22:01.000But I'm pretty much locked out of the U.S.
02:22:04.000I kind of bounce off the electronic wall, except when, you know, Alex Jones gives me an opening.
02:22:10.000And I just, you know, I tend to go after those in power.
02:22:14.000That's what an investigative reporter does.
02:22:15.000So when the Clintons were in power, I made them very unhappy, apparently, quite unhappy.
02:22:21.000Well, you know, I've always measured my effectiveness and success by the things that are said nasty toward me, you know, like being called an SOB.
02:22:30.000I tend to look at somebody and say, thank you, because I'm doing my job.
02:22:33.000Yeah, you know, I mean, my other view is like, the interesting thing about Bustamante, where my problem comes in with him.
02:22:40.000Hold that, Greg, because we'll take that when we come back from the break.
02:24:16.000Yes, and actually over the weekend, it was Friday night that they came out.
02:24:22.000I just got these documents, internal Enron memos.
02:24:25.000It added to some material that was already out there.
02:24:27.000I do want to give some credit to the San Francisco Chronicle, which first learned of the secret meeting, but they didn't seem to have any information on why they would be meeting, and that required understanding, getting a little more info.
02:24:39.000One, the memo saying that they clearly wanted to undercut Davis.
02:24:44.000The other is that the state suit, which was the real threat to these guys, because California has an unusual law called the Unfair Business Practices Act, in which if you're ripped off by a series of corporations, You can sue.
02:26:41.000You know, I mean, he's a Where Are They Now personality.
02:26:46.000What he's doing now, he gave a no-bid, big fat no-bid legal contract to a law firm named Wilkie Farr Gallagher.
02:26:54.000Today, he is at Wilkie Farr Gallagher.
02:26:57.000So I just want you, the taxpayers in New York, to know that their money went to Good purpose, to make sure that Mario Cuomo continued to live in the style to which he'd become accustomed at your expense.
02:27:26.000On the other hand, I have to say, Bustamante did the right thing by bringing that lawsuit He seems to be a bit afraid of it, because he certainly doesn't like to shout about it, but I think that, you know, clearly it just brought down firepower on his head, corporate money boys that really went after him.
02:27:42.000And don't forget, the energy crisis started under a guy named Bill Clinton.
02:27:48.000The year 2000 was the Clinton presidency, and Clinton While Davis is drowning, Davis is getting absolutely pounded politically because of the power prices rising.
02:28:03.000Clinton didn't act on that until December, until after the election.
02:28:21.000You know, look, and you have to look at another thing.
02:28:23.000Uh-oh, they won't... I guess people won't like this one.
02:28:27.000One of the reasons seems to be a great prejudice toward power companies in the Clinton administration, which may have to do with the fact that Hillary Rodham represented one of the big, giant power companies ripping off California.
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02:28:54.000You know, I don't know what to tell you.
02:28:56.000You know, it's like, and you can see that, by the way, in the book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, I don't want, that's very important that people understand that I have a chapter, by the way, a new chapter, which is in the edition out now, called California Riemann, Deregulation and the Power Pirates, the real story there, and it tells about Hillary and her connections, and it tells about Enron and the connections, of course, deep into the Bush family.
02:29:25.000These guys have been plugged in, and I know they're kind of plugged in, but this has been going on for a long time.
02:29:35.000Yeah, I mean, you have to understand, Enron was a kind of, you know, Bush creation to some extent.
02:29:40.000The Bush family, they grew up together politically.
02:29:44.000The corporation really was established in about 19... it was only established around 1986 out of Houston Natural Gas, and it was the creation of deregulation, which really started with Governor Bush out of Texas.
02:29:58.000Now, deregulation first caught on in California under Pete Wilson.
02:30:03.000Now, there's a Republican there, and so it mixes up under Pete Wilson.
02:30:36.000They gave some emphasis to the coup d'etat in Pakistan, which is how we end up with a berserker, maniac, Mosul fanatic military dictator in Pakistan.
02:30:56.000We don't need to send in inspectors in Pakistan because the guy, the dictator there, exploded his bomb on national television.
02:31:07.000So, you have to understand, these power pirates have been operating worldwide.
02:31:12.000They didn't just show up in California one day.
02:31:16.000They start out in Texas, but then they move to England, Brazil, Pakistan, leaving broken bones and bought-off politicians in their wake, and then they ended up in California.
02:31:29.000To them, you know, Schwarzenegger was not, I wouldn't say, their creation.
02:31:32.000They just jumped on, grabbed on, and funded the, you know, the Frankenstein.
02:31:38.000I say, you know, in this whole equation, he's probably a bit player that, you know, he's a bit player and he's willing to roll over for cash.
02:31:48.000He seems to believe this stuff, you know, but on the other hand, it's very clear when he's not scripted that he doesn't quite know what to do.
02:31:57.000And, you know, people are voting They seem to be attracted to this guy because they see this larger-than-life guy on the screen.
02:32:03.000Well, if you like fictional characters, then why don't you write in Spider-Man?
02:32:16.000After they've looted or robbed the consumers in California of $9 billion, how does Arnold fit into this equation in Bustamante, and what are the dynamics of this game?
02:32:57.000They had these colorful names for playing the market, like Get Shorty and Death Star, but basically they would You know, lie about what they were selling and not selling.
02:33:08.000They would sell power that didn't exist.
02:33:10.000There's all these ways to fake out the market.
02:33:13.000When that didn't work, they would simply meet in hotel rooms and divide up the market and figure who pays what.
02:34:35.000So we better... We'll pay anything, absolutely anything, to get power in from other sources.
02:34:41.000And prices went up 10,000% in an hour.
02:34:45.000And, of course, Enron and their cronies were there to sell it to them.
02:34:49.000That's the type of games that were played.
02:34:50.000And when they played it one too many times, what happened was that We used to have an old system that was regulated, you know, people complained about regulation, but you know, basically you had a bunch of engineers that would say, we need so much electricity over here from those plants over there.
02:35:04.000This time it's like these wacky bidding systems, and these guys knew that you couldn't get, you know, you can't run power in two directions at the same time, you can't, you know, and they would figure out the physical glitches in the system until finally, you know, a few times it just went kablooey.
02:35:58.000I just want to make a quick announcement and I'll get off the line.
02:36:01.000It has nothing to do with Greg or anything like that, but tonight in Rhode Island, in Providence at the City Hall, People are going to come out and repeal the Patriot Act in Providence.
02:36:45.000They're peeling back the veil, and they're seeing that there's a monster back there.
02:36:49.000Yeah, well, in fact, actually, one thing you'll find out in my book, because I have, as Alex has noted, In fact, today Michael Morris' film comes out about the connection between the Bush and the Bin Laden family, which is triggered by my research for BBC television.
02:37:04.000And I just, in fact, won an award for that this week from something called Project Censored.
02:37:09.000The California State University's journalism school gives out awards for the most important stories not reported in the United States about the connection between the Bushes and the Bin Laden.
02:37:21.000The firm that did that computer fix Of knocking off thousands of legal voters in Florida and handing the race to the Bushes in Florida in 2000.
02:37:31.000They are now the number one contractor for homeland security.
02:37:47.000Choice Point out of Atlanta and these guys are ...are raking it in.
02:37:52.000And by the way, remember, there was all those headlines last month which seemed to have just kind of drifted away about this guy Grasso at the New York Stock Exchange, given a salary of $160 million.
02:39:26.000I'll be in Saturday night through Monday morning in Austin.
02:39:30.000Oh, well, that's what I was going to ask you.
02:39:31.000Our show is live on Monday night, so maybe you could call... You better call my office and not hang up poor Michael here with that request, okay?
02:39:43.000Anyone can, by the way, go to gregpalace.com and see these nasty BBC television programs that are just too difficult to show on American TV or read this material.
02:39:53.000Obviously, you can read the book, but it does have a contact, Greg.
02:39:58.000So, if you have some comments or complaints, please do that.
02:40:04.000Also, I wanted to ask you just real quick, it's kind of off-subject, but how did you get a hold of that document, W1999I, and I'll hang up and listen now.
02:40:09.000Okay, people are wondering what that is.
02:40:10.000document that w_ one nine nine nine i and i'll all hang up a look at that
02:40:14.000okay i think that the or what if people are wondering what that is uh...
02:40:17.000document uh... of one ninety nine i uh... that the designation for national security
02:40:24.000The secret FBI document, which I've published at least a hunk of it in my book, I want to get all of it up on my website, but it is a document which indicates that there was a prior request to investigate two members of the Bin Laden family in the U.S.
02:40:43.000and FBI agents were not released to do so until September 13, 2001.
02:40:51.000And that document was dropped on BBC television researchers by disgruntled agents.
02:41:00.000Well, I can't really say that's exactly what happened.
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02:45:45.000They've got the evidence on these guys, but rather than simply demand that they return the money, the feds have said under Bush's guidance, and by the way, the head of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, a guy named Woods, was personally proposed to Bush by Ken Lay.
02:46:03.000He's saying that the power companies can get off the hook by settling the case by paying like one to two cents on the dollar.
02:46:12.000Now if that happened, if that happened, the only thing that could stop it is if the governor of California jumps in and says he will not put up with it and joins with the lieutenant governor in court.
02:46:28.000Saying this will not stand and let the court case go ahead if otherwise what happens is the judge in California in the civil litigation I know it's complicated, but that's how these things work.
02:46:40.000The civil litigation won't have much choice but to say, the federal government has stepped in, the elected governor of the state has no complaint, case dismissed.
02:46:50.000I think that's the way it's heading, and that's the danger.
02:46:53.000I've tried to reach Arnold to say whether he's really going to go along with this scheme, and the only thing that happened is that some woman confronted him with my article and said, are you in bed with Ken Lay?
02:47:08.000And his response was, well, literally, I'm not making this up, he did this in Bakersfield Saturday.
02:48:01.000And like I say, you have to say no more, not just the Republicans, it's not just the Schwarzeneggers, it's the Cuomos of this planet, too.
02:48:10.000And when the public, like this woman calling from Rhode Island, steps in and says, well, you know, you may think of us as peons, but in fact, we ultimately have the vote.
02:48:18.000We're not going to put up with it, and we're going to stand by people who stand by us.
02:48:51.000I will see you tomorrow in for Alex Jones, who will return on Thursday.
02:48:56.000And I've got an interesting lineup for you tomorrow as well.
02:48:58.000We're going to kind of look more closely at the aesthetics of terror.
02:49:02.000Jimmy Rothstein, James Rothstein, is going to join me on the program to talk about some of the stuff that he did as a retired New York City police detective.
02:49:10.000And working on the Son of Sam case, among other things.
02:49:12.000And we're going to look at how those things relate to today.