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00:00:31.000 And good day, this is Michael Corbin filling in for Alex Jones, who will return tomorrow.

00:00:37.000 Wow, what a day.

00:00:38.000 And as Alex has predicted, and we talked with him yesterday, well, it's official.

00:00:44.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger is now the governor of California.

00:00:48.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:00:50.000 What a mess!

00:00:51.000 Anyway, you've got to go check out InfoWars.com today.

00:00:55.000 Definitely check out InfoWars.com because The true nature of the identity of this man is really starting to spill out and Alex has compiled a lot of information on InfoWars.com which again you've got to check out today to find out who this man really is.

00:01:14.000 Interesting link that is on InfoWars.com to Matt Drudge's website.

00:01:19.000 Drudge has an interesting article about Schwarzenegger and being He was a nude model for Mapplethorpe, for Robert Mapplethorpe.

00:01:32.000 And this tells you a lot.

00:01:35.000 It tells you a considerable amount because who was Robert Mapplethorpe? 0.98

00:01:41.000 Mapplethorpe was a pervert, a very sick pervert, who was in New York. 0.77

00:01:45.000 We're going to hear a little bit about him today anyway in our interview with my guest coming up here in a little bit. 0.93

00:01:50.000 But Mapplethorpe was a photographer who lived in New York and A man who was involved in some very, very dark, dark, insidious, evil things, including a peripheral involvement with the son of Sam, which is again what we're going to talk about today.

00:02:09.000 But what's even more telling is that Mapplethorpe was a homosexual who was in that circuit in New York City during those days when all that stuff was going crazy out there. 0.84

00:02:23.000 And he did photographs.

00:02:25.000 He did compiled photographs.

00:02:26.000 He shot photographs of some pretty twisted, sick things.

00:02:30.000 Including one thing that he called the Piss Christ.

00:02:33.000 And that was one of the things that really, really put him on the map internationally. 1.00

00:02:38.000 But the guy was a sick, twisted pervert. 0.99

00:02:41.000 But anyway, according to Drudge's investigation of him, Arnold Schwarzenegger posed for nude photographs uh... by him and uh... we're talking about full nude photographs uh... and uh... just reading a little bit from the drudge's uh... report here says the shocking nudes of republican schwarzenegger have been kept under lock at the estate of robert mapplethorpe in new york now mapplethorpe whose infamous self-portrait with a bull whip inserted in his anus as well as many photographs of penises and men engaging in homosexual acts considered schwarzenegger one of his favorite subjects 0.99

00:03:17.000 Now those come from sources close to the late artist, and they were telling this to Matt Drudge.

00:03:22.000 That is just the tip!

00:03:24.000 ...of the iceberg of who this guy really, really is.

00:03:27.000 Of course, according to InfoWars.com too, the New World Order elite has big plans for this guy, and he is now officially the Governor-Elect of California.

00:03:39.000 Gray Davis is on his way out.

00:03:43.000 There's also a link on there to a 1976 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, where Arnold said he dreamed of being a dictator and controlling large groups of people.

00:03:52.000 Kind of sounds like the President!

00:03:54.000 Kind of sounds like they all kind of travel in the same camp.

00:03:57.000 And speaking of that, there's also an article on there about George W. and his Nazi connections.

00:04:04.000 You see, this is all starting to come out to the surface now.

00:04:07.000 It's all starting to leak out.

00:04:09.000 Their game is now in the public venue.

00:04:11.000 It's in our face.

00:04:12.000 And I wonder what we're going to do about it.

00:04:15.000 It's really, really crazy.

00:04:16.000 It's really, really nuts.

00:04:18.000 And then they, uh, let's see here.

00:04:21.000 I'm reading from a quote from ABC News that Arnold wrote in his 1975 book, Proposal for Pumping Iron.

00:04:28.000 Quote, I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. 0.92

00:04:36.000 I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it.

00:04:40.000 And he went on to say that he would have liked to be like Hitler in the Nuremberg Stadium and have all those people scream at you and just being total agreement in whatever you say.

00:04:51.000 This is the guy that's now the governor of California, and there's other things coming out with this.

00:04:55.000 Stay tuned, there's more coming up on the Alex Jones Show.

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00:08:07.000 Big Brother.

00:08:15.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:17.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:19.000 You want answers?

00:08:21.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:22.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:26.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:31.000 And again, I'm Michael Corbin sitting in for Alex Jones who has been out in Los Angeles covering the dog and pony show known as the Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:08:39.000 A bid for governorship.

00:08:41.000 A governator.

00:08:43.000 Or as Alex called him, the Apollinator.

00:08:45.000 And indeed, this guy is really a piece of work. 0.83

00:08:49.000 This guy is a real twisted guy.

00:08:53.000 And I love listening to him, you know, talking about how he wants to work for the people of California.

00:09:00.000 Yeah, right.

00:09:01.000 So, anyway.

00:09:03.000 We're going to have an update from Alex today at some point on the finale of that whole thing.

00:09:09.000 As you know from the last couple of days, Alex has come in with special reports about what was going on out there, the mood and the whole climate in California.

00:09:19.000 And of course, as we all know now, Arnold Schwarzenegger is now Governor-Elect.

00:09:24.000 Gray Davis is out and now the game, well I shouldn't say now the game begins because the game's already afoot, it's been in play.

00:09:32.000 This is just the next level of it.

00:09:34.000 So, you know, and as you heard yesterday with Matt, not Matt Drudge, but with Greg Pallast, when he was on the program talking about the nine billion dollar Enron secret that he has, it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays itself out.

00:09:47.000 But you just can't help but get that feeling that, you know, something even worse now, I mean, The lesser two evils may have been Gray Davis, but now that Schwarzenegger's in, it's going to be interesting to see where that really goes.

00:09:59.000 Okay.

00:10:00.000 Now, we have got quite a lineup today, and it's kind of interesting because, as I mentioned with the Drudge Report thing, Mapplethorpe has taken photographs, new photographs, of Arnold Schwarzenegger, among others, and who knows what, but Mapplethorpe had quite a background, and We're going to be talking today, our focus on the program today is going to be some of these criminal cabals, mind control.

00:10:27.000 I know Alex, even in Police State 3, the video that you need to get a copy of, he talks about white slavery, child pornography, the whole thing that surrounds all of these people, if you will, that you hear about.

00:10:43.000 But we're going to have three very interesting guests today.

00:10:47.000 The first one is a retired New York City police detective who was involved in numerous high-profile cases in the state of New York.

00:10:56.000 And he is, for a closer look, he is our criminal justice specialist.

00:11:02.000 A very, very qualified man.

00:11:04.000 Someone who, as I said, as I mentioned, has been involved in some very high-profile cases.

00:11:09.000 He's a very, very good investigator.

00:11:12.000 Currently devotes his life, in retirement, currently devotes his life to finding, locating, missing and exploited children.

00:11:19.000 And by God, you're going to find out how big of a problem this really is.

00:11:24.000 You know, the mainstream media and the law enforcement agencies at the federal level will tend to downplay the significance of the number of children that are turning up missing in this country every year.

00:11:37.000 Coming up on the second hour, we're going to be joined by Noreen Gosch, who is the mother of a child that was kidnapped back in the 80s.

00:11:46.000 He was 12 years old when he was taken.

00:11:49.000 Her story is extremely interesting from the standpoint that this child was kidnapped and was forced into a mind control cult, if you will, and was used as a prostitute, among other things.

00:12:05.000 And he still has not been able to come home.

00:12:08.000 She published a book called Why Johnny Can't Come Home.

00:12:10.000 We're going to get to that, too.

00:12:11.000 During the third hour, we're going to be joined by author Maury Terry.

00:12:16.000 Now, Maury Terry, his name became almost household back in the 80s.

00:12:22.000 I'm sorry, in the 70s, with the Son of Sam case in New York.

00:12:27.000 And you may remember that David Berkowitz, who is now serving three consecutive life prison sentences in New York, who claimed at first that he was instructed by a demonic dog to perpetrate several killings in the New York area.

00:12:41.000 As it turns out, Berkowitz was part of a large satanic coven, and we're going to hear about that investigation and how a lot of these things that we're going to be talking about today, how they all link up, because believe it or not, there are very, very serious, and I want to say serious, there are very, very serious connections To political figures and men, movers and shakers, affluent people, not only in the United States, but this is an international problem.

00:13:08.000 And we're talking about, you know, murder, we're talking about Satanism, pedophilia, prostitution, and drugs.

00:13:16.000 And it's going to surprise you.

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00:13:26.000 Now let's get to my first guest.

00:13:29.000 He is, as I mentioned, a retired New York City police detective and he has done many

00:13:35.000 years investigating crimes that deal with vice and currently is in retirement.

00:13:42.000 He is a Closer Looks criminal justice specialist, and it's a pleasure to work with him.

00:13:47.000 And I'm pleased to introduce him to the program today.

00:13:50.000 Good morning, Jim, and thanks for being with us on the program.

00:13:53.000 Good morning, Michael.

00:13:53.000 It's always a pleasure to do a show with you.

00:13:55.000 I enjoy doing it with you, too.

00:13:57.000 Let's frame for the audience now.

00:13:59.000 You heard the lineup we're going to have today.

00:14:01.000 We're going to have Noreen Gosch and Maury Terry on.

00:14:03.000 Basically, as I said, the focus of today's program, I want to look at the dynamics of how, you know, in other words, we're going to start with the missing children thing.

00:14:13.000 And I want to talk about some of the cases that you've been involved in and how they connected to a bigger picture.

00:14:21.000 Okay, I'm ready to go.

00:14:22.000 Alright, well let's start with the notion of satanic cults that have a large involvement in some of the crimes that we hear about in the news today.

00:14:36.000 Well, this goes back quite a ways.

00:14:37.000 In fact, at first when I started investigating this in the late 60s, early 70s, we had no clue what we were looking at.

00:14:46.000 And we also knew that at the time, the line of the government was that there is no such thing.

00:14:53.000 And if you remember when the young man in Matamoros, Mexico was killed?

00:14:58.000 Right.

00:14:59.000 And it was interesting, one of the reporters there had heard me speak about some of the things to look for.

00:15:04.000 In this particular case, it had to do with a cigar butt.

00:15:08.000 With the teeth marks on the ash end of it which is used for cleansing the body.

00:15:13.000 And that's how it came out that this was a satanic killing.

00:15:16.000 Up to that point, the FBI had denied that any of this stuff was going on or there was anything like it when they in fact very well knew that this has been going on for many years because at the time we did the investigation we were working with some of their agents.

00:15:34.000 So that was an official line that they were taking.

00:15:36.000 For what reason, I can only guess that, but over the years, many times when they grab somebody that's involved, you'll see that the case gets investigated to a certain point and disappears.

00:15:52.000 And many times there's a legitimate reason for that, because you want to use that information to continue your investigation.

00:15:59.000 Right.

00:16:00.000 But I have never ever seen anything happen after that level.

00:16:04.000 For instance, the Gdusik case in Maryland, when he was arrested, a very well-known man, and I think he ended up doing a year and then disappeared.

00:16:15.000 And what leads us back to him is that he came from the same area up in Yonkers where the Son of Sam case started.

00:16:23.000 Now, one thing, too, I failed to mention when I was setting this whole program up today.

00:16:29.000 The interesting thing is, and the relevance of what is going on today, and the focus, like I said, of the program is this.

00:16:38.000 Karl Raschke, who wrote a book called Painted Black, I mentioned this yesterday on the program, I encouraged the listeners to get a copy of this, because this book basically kind of outlines, you know, our society today is living in fear over terrorism.

00:16:53.000 And it is very interesting, because a lot of these groups that are involved in these horrendous crimes are involved in terrorism.

00:17:04.000 And the thing is, is that there is a direct, there is a linkage, I should say, between terrorist activities and criminal cabals.

00:17:11.000 And for example, one of the things I want to read here is a quote from Karl Rasky about Satanism itself.

00:17:17.000 And this kind of is very, very self-explanatory about what we're going to be talking about today.

00:17:23.000 His definition of Satanism, he says, is not a new religion.

00:17:26.000 He says it is a sophisticated and highly effective motivational system for the spread of violence and cultural terrorism.

00:17:34.000 Satanism today is not, if it has ever been, a rejection of middle class values and a somewhat ingenious expression of chronic adolescent alienation.

00:17:43.000 It is the gestation of a permanent terrorist subculture in America.

00:17:47.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:17:51.000 Well, Michael, that is the heart of the problem, right there.

00:17:58.000 They have throughout these different cases, both in New York, California, with the Manson, and there are many cases that have never been revealed.

00:18:08.000 And you'll find that if you follow this through, there are connections.

00:18:12.000 Now, everybody, as soon as you say that, oh, here's another conspiracy nut, But if it's more than two people, it is a conspiracy.

00:18:20.000 And it's not a card-carrying, membership-type thing.

00:18:23.000 This is very loosely connected, and it works through common knowledge when you travel through

00:18:29.000 different parts of this country.

00:18:31.000 And there is no part of this country that is not affected by it.

00:18:35.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 And these people know where to go.

00:18:37.000 It's back in the 70s already where we followed both the male and female prostitution, which runs very closely with this here.

00:18:46.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 And that's why people in one part of the country must be aware of it, because if it's on the East Coast, it's on the West Coast.

00:18:54.000 Right.

00:18:55.000 You know, the thing is that we're going to be talking about again today, too, is the fact you just mentioned Charlie Manson.

00:19:01.000 I think if you look back at some of this stuff, you'll begin to start seeing some common threads, and we're going to talk about that, not only with you, but also with Maury Terry today, what the common threads are between Charlie Manson, the son of Sam, and even the Atlanta child murders, the Jeffrey Dahmer himself.

00:19:20.000 There are connections, and I think a lot of people do not even realize that.

00:19:23.000 We're going to take a break.

00:19:25.000 When we come back, we'll continue with my guest, Jim Rothstein.

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00:24:26.000 I'm Michael Corbin sitting in for Alex Jones, who will return tomorrow.

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00:24:30.000 And again, we'll hear an update from him today at some point regarding the Dog and Pony Show.

00:24:36.000 I call it Dog and Pony Show in California with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:24:41.000 Anyway, returning with my guest is Jim Rothstein.

00:24:44.000 Rothstein, I'm sorry.

00:24:46.000 Jim, let's start off by, you as a retired New York City Police Detective, you were involved in a lot of interesting things, and let's talk about the connections that you discovered in some of the cases that you investigated in New York.

00:25:01.000 Well, let's start at the very beginning.

00:25:02.000 Good for it.

00:25:04.000 One of the things that happened is, I arrested a man by the name of Ben Rose, a high profile guy in New York at the time, who the information originally came in He was using the name of Dr. Rockefeller and what they were doing were supplying kids to some of the very top people or affluent and influential people in the country and at the United Nations.

00:25:30.000 So with that we started picking up the different information which led us eventually to what turned out to be the Son of Sam case but at the same time there's also where Ben Rose is suspected of being one of the Main people in the disappearance of Eaton Patz, a young boy who disappeared in New York and has never been solved, but the connections to some foreign elements are very strong there.

00:25:30.000 Okay.

00:25:58.000 The other thing that happened in the late middle 70s, I interviewed a high priestess who had been convicted in a narcotics investigation.

00:26:10.000 Basically, that was done to discredit her.

00:26:13.000 But she ended up giving us probably the biggest information into how this whole scenario worked, and how it is tied in with both our narcotics trafficking on the international level.

00:26:26.000 So you can see, when you talk about terrorism, you tie that together, narcotics and everything, you have probably the greatest terrorist movement going.

00:26:34.000 Forget about The Al Qaeda and all that stuff, this is even bigger than that. 0.94

00:26:41.000 And it has been going on a lot longer.

00:26:43.000 Right.

00:26:43.000 But after I debriefed her, we had actually found out how this thing works.

00:26:48.000 And one of the other things that started this was when I first received the information in New York that led me to eventually what turned out to be the son of Sam, we started investigating at Untamaya Park.

00:27:02.000 Uh, where we got reports of the, uh, sacrifice of German shepherds.

00:27:09.000 And that's what started the whole investigation.

00:27:11.000 It wasn't until I ran into Maury Terry and Maury started talking to David Berkowitz that we tied all of this together.

00:27:19.000 Now, when you say that this woman was a high priestess, a high priestess of what?

00:27:23.000 She was a high priestess in the occult.

00:27:27.000 There are different factions, but they basically all operate the same.

00:27:30.000 So she was like one of the head leaders?

00:27:32.000 She was Cuban, and she had come out of Cuba.

00:27:32.000 Yes, she was.

00:27:35.000 In fact, she had been Miss Cuba at one time, and then she fell into people in our intelligence community.

00:27:43.000 And later she worked as a madam in New York and she was also involved in setting up the cocaine connections from on the East Coast to Columbia. 1.00

00:27:53.000 Now when you say she was working for our agency, you're talking about the intelligence community, I mean?

00:27:57.000 You're talking about the CIA?

00:27:57.000 Yes.

00:28:00.000 Or derivatives thereof.

00:28:01.000 Okay.

00:28:02.000 See, you have to remember that Some of these operations aren't really condoned by the CIA, but are offshoots of what I call the opportunity men, who use legitimate things to enhance their own pocketbook.

00:28:16.000 Because money is a big motivator in this.

00:28:18.000 So you could say that they're more like rogue agents?

00:28:22.000 Yes, that's what I would call them, yes.

00:28:25.000 As you remember in the Frank Olson case now, which is the MKUltra victim who allegedly committed suicide, and now they've actually opened up a murder investigation where it has been disclosed that at that time our intelligence community was running three warehouses in New York.

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:43.000 And I actually had an informant out of that operation.

00:28:48.000 Now, Frank Olson was one of, in the 50s I think, was supposedly jumped to his death He was with those guys from the CIA and they'd given him LSD?

00:28:56.000 Yes, that's part of that.

00:28:57.000 So you'll see how this stuff all crosses over.

00:29:00.000 A lot of it is to control and to cause chaos in society.

00:29:10.000 Okay, we got about 30 seconds before we go to break.

00:29:13.000 Now, this woman that you're talking about, she opened up the door that ultimately led the New York Police Department into the Son of Sam investigation.

00:29:20.000 And as you said, Yes, those were things that we had investigated.

00:29:23.000 the book "Ultimate Evil" basically kind of helped put some pieces into place.

00:29:28.000 Yes, those were things that we had investigated and like I said it started with the killing

00:29:34.000 of dogs and I actually went to the site and later on about six years ago took Maury back

00:29:40.000 to that location and showed him exactly where the whole thing had started.

00:29:44.000 Okay, hold that thought.

00:29:45.000 We'll get back to that.

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00:35:03.000 As I mentioned, the topic that we're going to be talking about today is something that is covered in Police State 3.

00:35:10.000 Concerning, you know, what these guys are really up to.

00:35:13.000 We're talking about the dynamics of it.

00:35:16.000 And as I mentioned, there is a specific word that is applied or applicable to all of the things that are happening in our culture.

00:35:23.000 uh... together with uh... the terrorist attacks uh... several of these uh... these notorious crimes that have come down the pike over the last thirty forty years uh... charlie manson was the first one uh... of note uh... of course uh... son of sam and there's been a litany of others including recently the washington dc sniper Which was another one of those weird deals that seems to have a deeper level at work in it.

00:35:51.000 These are the kind of things that we've got to be aware of.

00:35:54.000 These are the clubs that they're using to beat us into becoming a fearful population.

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00:36:05.000 And this is where things are really, really wrong.

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00:36:12.000 Welcome back, Jim.

00:36:13.000 Yes.

00:36:14.000 We've got a couple of callers online.

00:36:14.000 Let's go ahead.

00:36:15.000 Let's go ahead and start taking some calls, and then we'll just continue developing our topic today.

00:36:21.000 We've got Mike calling in from Florida.

00:36:23.000 Good afternoon, Mike.

00:36:24.000 You're on with my guest, Jim Rothstein.

00:36:25.000 How are you gentlemen doing this afternoon?

00:36:27.000 Good, thank you.

00:36:30.000 I don't want to throw you guys off topic.

00:36:31.000 I kind of wanted to make a comment on what you were talking about yesterday, Michael, but I mean, I don't want to take you guys too far off what you're talking about, because what you're talking about is really good and really important stuff.

00:36:41.000 Well, my comment is, I think that yesterday, I listened to yesterday's show, and I think that you are kind of slanting the whole... I know you read an article about Quentin Tarantino, and how he is promoting his movie towards 12 years old.

00:36:54.000 I read that article myself, and I have to disagree with you in the fact that, from what I can read out of it, it sounded like what he was saying was really tongue-in-cheek, and had a lot of sapphire to it.

00:37:05.000 And I think that you guys are trying to spin it Or as, I mean, I don't think Quentin Tarantino is saying all 12-year-olds should see Kill Bill and, you know, participate in the violence and whatnot.

00:37:15.000 I think that that was more of a tongue-in-cheek thing that he was saying.

00:37:18.000 Well, I was going to say, Mike, you know, here's my take on all of this.

00:37:22.000 I mean, I'm a grown adult.

00:37:24.000 You're a grown adult.

00:37:25.000 You have filters that you have in place that you can, you know, you can filter a lot of stuff out and find out what's good and what's bad.

00:37:32.000 And you may have control over, you know, how you might react to stuff like that.

00:37:37.000 My whole contention with this is that this is just another of the many films that may have a satirical plot to it or whatever, and it may be, you know, might be something entertaining.

00:37:47.000 But the problem is that at a deeper level, a lot of these movies that are coming out of Hollywood are geared to deconstruct our society, desensitize people to important things that make us human and good.

00:38:00.000 And that's my take on it, and that's why I bring these kinds of things up, because children are watching this stuff, and they don't have the filters.

00:38:09.000 They're not emotionally developed.

00:38:11.000 They're not capable of dealing with this in the same way that you or I would be capable of dealing with this.

00:38:17.000 And that's my issue with it.

00:38:19.000 Well, very true.

00:38:20.000 But doesn't that fall more?

00:38:21.000 I mean, the Motion Picture Association of America gives it an R rating, meaning no one under 17 should be seeing it without a parent.

00:38:27.000 Right.

00:38:28.000 Doesn't that responsibility fall more towards a parent than a teen?

00:38:30.000 Absolutely.

00:38:31.000 Absolutely.

00:38:33.000 I agree with that, too.

00:38:33.000 I mean, the parents are ultimately responsible for what their children take in and what they're doing.

00:38:38.000 But, you know, like everything else in our culture today, Everybody has been put so much to sleep that they don't even realize anymore the harm.

00:38:46.000 They couch it in things like, you know, like it's a satire or this type of thing and parents would be inclined to maybe even rent the movie or let their kids watch it.

00:38:55.000 You know, they don't manage these things and they don't realize how important it is to raise your children correctly and properly and to make sure that they're exposed to good things at that formative stage in their life.

00:39:09.000 Well, I agree with you.

00:39:10.000 We've let the parenting become done by the TV and by mass media, not by the parents.

00:39:16.000 And, you know, listening to this show, listening to Alex, you know that Hollywood has been tasked.

00:39:22.000 I mean, look at what we've got in California now.

00:39:24.000 We've got the guy that's done Terminator, and a lot of people look up to him, and I think that was part of his glitz and his success in becoming the governor.

00:39:33.000 People look up to him as a fantasy role player, a character.

00:39:37.000 And it makes him bigger than life and invincible and that type of thing.

00:39:37.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 I think the media has a lot to do with shaping the way that we look at things.

00:39:46.000 Well, I'm a political science major at our college and that was one of the things we always talked about was the voting populace.

00:39:51.000 Really has no idea what they're voting for and that they're just going by a name or by recognition.

00:39:57.000 Absolutely.

00:39:58.000 And Arnold Schwarzenegger fits that profile to a tee.

00:40:00.000 And the media is the shaper of that.

00:40:03.000 I mean, the media is the purveyor of that.

00:40:04.000 That is what, you know, they used to say that reality dictates art.

00:40:09.000 You know, you look at today, it's art or the media dictates reality.

00:40:15.000 What I see in my advanced age is the fact that you see a lot of young people identifying with what the media says is right and good, but all it's doing is it's confusing them.

00:40:25.000 You know, in a society where there are laws, you know, moral relativism does not work when you're facing a judge for murdering somebody.

00:40:34.000 When you say, well, it was my right to murder this person, you know, for me it was right.

00:40:39.000 That doesn't work.

00:40:39.000 They get convicted and sent to jail.

00:40:42.000 And these kinds of things set up these confusion, these confusing models for kids to follow.

00:40:47.000 And of course, you know, where are the parents?

00:40:50.000 Exactly.

00:40:51.000 And I got one more quick comment, Michael, and I'll let you get back to your great interview and the job you're doing.

00:40:56.000 On the Terri Schiavo case, I live in Tampa, and I've been following this case ever since it first started happening.

00:41:03.000 And I don't think that this has anything to do with a conspiracy on the part of the judges or a conspiracy on anybody's part.

00:41:12.000 I think that this case really just boils down to the fact that Terri Schiavo, when she went into her current state, She, to her will, told her husband that she didn't want to be left in a vegetative state, and I think it's just really become more of a tug-and-pull between the parents and the husband, and I don't think it really has anything to do with being a conspiracy on the judge's part to rule her to have her tubes pulled.

00:41:35.000 I think that it has become more of just a fight between the parents and the husband.

00:41:40.000 It's really a shame that she's been caught up in the middle of all this, and it's gone on for this long.

00:41:44.000 I agree that it's a shame that this whole thing is going on, but the thing is, is this.

00:41:44.000 I agree.

00:41:49.000 I'm not saying it was necessarily conspiracy with the judge.

00:41:52.000 What I'm saying is that regardless, no one should have the right... I mean, who could prove that she said that to her husband?

00:41:58.000 I don't believe that anyone should have the right to decide whether you live or die and you're incapacitated and you're unable to make that kind of choice.

00:42:07.000 Number one, I think morally it's a wrong choice to make anyway for yourself to commit self-murder, but what I'm saying is I don't think that this should even be an issue when it comes to the dignity and the value of human life.

00:42:19.000 They should not even be having this conversation.

00:42:21.000 Well, where do we draw the line then as far as a person being in a vegetative state for the rest of their life?

00:42:27.000 Where is that?

00:42:28.000 I think that line is being blurred.

00:42:29.000 as far as how far we're willing to take it.

00:42:31.000 Well, see, the way I look at it is that when it comes down to who's God and who's not,

00:42:36.000 who has the right to even make any kind of determination when science cannot?

00:42:40.000 Science has no explanation.

00:42:42.000 They've got the legal definitions and medical definitions of vegetative state, but yet this is still a living human being.

00:42:49.000 As you heard Pamela talking yesterday, she still responds to certain stimuli.

00:42:55.000 That to me, I wouldn't even want to have that conversation.

00:42:58.000 We've got to move along, and I want to thank you for your call, Mike.

00:43:01.000 Keep listening.

00:43:02.000 Let's take another call.

00:43:03.000 Roger is calling from Pennsylvania.

00:43:05.000 Good afternoon, Roger.

00:43:05.000 You're on the air.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, thanks, Jens, and I'm guessing you're heading in the direction with Berkowitz and the method and the commonalities with Nansen, even.

00:43:16.000 That'd be an offshoot of sort of a subrosa unrecurrent in Christian science.

00:43:22.000 I didn't want to take away from that at all, which... And my question, if you don't think it has any real bearing, then please drop it and move on, but I was very much interested.

00:43:33.000 I think it's a very important factor that needs to be developed, and that is With the sort of official ivory tower, therefore the control power, philosophical religious structure having degenerated into the logical outcome of the existentialism that it's impossible to know anything for certain.

00:43:58.000 We're all agreed present, I presume, that there is no such thing as the unspiritual man, merely certain undeceived ones among the number.

00:44:07.000 But, so you have this sort of schizophrenia between the official line, the party line, versus the reality, which is very much spiritual.

00:44:19.000 And I'm wondering, and of course with that existential view, therefore, that opens the way to Machiavellian Well, see, part of this thing I think is about, we're going to touch on this today, we're going to look at the political, see, when you talk about the aesthetics of terror, we're talking about something that has been around a very long time, but it's a utilization of psychological manipulation and techniques to bring people under control.

00:44:51.000 And this is something as old as mankind itself, and the thing is that what we're seeing today is we're seeing these techniques that are being used on mass society, and it has a political agenda.

00:45:06.000 So that's what we're kind of going to be talking about later on as we go along, but thanks for the call, Roger, appreciate it.

00:45:12.000 Jim, let's get back to this thing that you were doing in New York, because I want to get some more of the dots connected before we bring Noreen on, because I know that one of the things that you were really involved in in New York as a police detective was this thing about children.

00:45:26.000 You know, you mentioned that children were missing and that they had been... Ben Rose.

00:45:31.000 Who, by the way, was Ben Rose? 0.94

00:45:33.000 Ben Rose was a pedophile. 0.97

00:45:38.000 He was also a procurer. 0.99

00:45:41.000 He supplied kids.

00:45:43.000 He was one of the main guys on the scene at the time, not only in New York, but around the country.

00:45:49.000 Was he an affluent individual?

00:45:50.000 Very much so, yes.

00:45:51.000 His father owned a pharmacy on First Avenue, right off from the United Nations, and it had a lot to do with the international trafficking, too.

00:46:03.000 Of children?

00:46:04.000 Both male and female.

00:46:06.000 When you say trafficking in children, what kind of things are we talking about?

00:46:10.000 Well, you're talking about where they were taking young children, usually just as they were reaching puberty, and were using them for sexual purposes.

00:46:19.000 And an offshoot of all this, too, was where they used these kids to compromise people, which was a very big part of the operation.

00:46:28.000 And this is what led to other things.

00:46:31.000 It's just like when you go one step further, these kids ended up being used as some of these occult and satanic-type ritualistic things.

00:46:42.000 And just because David Berkowitz was arrested did not stop.

00:46:46.000 And I see at the present time, in my travels around the country, this is going on now as well as it was then.

00:46:53.000 Berkowitz was a small man in the operation.

00:46:57.000 And it goes into big organized places, doesn't it?

00:46:59.000 Yes, and you'll see the ties out to Manson.

00:47:02.000 You'll see the ties to the Franklin cover-up, which was John DeCamp's work.

00:47:09.000 In Nebraska.

00:47:10.000 Yes, and also there's where you get the direct connection back to Colby, who was at one time the CIA director.

00:47:17.000 Right, right.

00:47:18.000 And I'm quite sure when Colby started going, getting a guilty conscience on this led to his demise.

00:47:25.000 Yeah, Colby died mysteriously, and I think the camp even holds out to this day that he was murdered.

00:47:32.000 Yes, because at one point I had an investigation where three little boys were murdered in New York on East 64th Street at Ben Rose's apartment.

00:47:41.000 In fact, he's the one that alerted me to it.

00:47:45.000 We actually served subpoenas on the people involved in it, and one of the people was in the intelligence community, and it was covered up under national security.

00:47:54.000 So we know there were two 13-year-olds and a 14-year-old.

00:47:58.000 They were murdered in a human compromise situation.

00:48:04.000 They went too far and killed these kids, and we spent months looking for them up in Connecticut.

00:48:10.000 And eventually when Roy Cohen, who you know was involved in the McCarthy hearings, at one time confided to me that he in fact knew about it and stated that one of his functions was that when these things happened to their people was to get them off, and the other part was to compromise people who they needed on their side.

00:48:29.000 And when you say you're compromising, you're talking about politicians and people of influence.

00:48:33.000 Yes, very much so.

00:48:35.000 That's another, really something that most people don't know about or look at.

00:48:40.000 It's one of the most effective things they have in the world.

00:48:43.000 Yeah. 0.51

00:48:44.000 Real quick, before we take our break, you heard me talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger posing for nude photographs with the pervert Mapplethorpe.

00:48:52.000 Well, Mapplethorpe, he showed up all over the place over the years.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, who was, you know, from a police perspective, who was this creep?

00:49:00.000 He was one of the first, oh, he came up many years ago already in some of the investigations that tied to the, well, the whole thing to do with the children using boys and girls and anything weird you could consider.

00:49:17.000 He was one of the leaders.

00:49:18.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 Okay.

00:49:21.000 What do you think about that thing about Arnold posing nude for him?

00:49:24.000 Well, you know, I was just in California, just returned last night, and I just found it very interesting.

00:49:32.000 The only good thing I can see out of the whole thing is that people finally realize they do have the power to bring somebody back if he isn't doing his job.

00:49:42.000 The outcome I don't necessarily agree with, but People have to understand, they can make these public officials do what they're supposed to do.

00:49:51.000 And they do it based upon some of the stuff that you discovered as a police officer.

00:49:55.000 Right.

00:49:56.000 It died in all over the place.

00:49:58.000 In fact, at one point in our investigation in the early seventies, Richard Nixon was the president at the time, and he was going to set up a big investigation into this and give us government financing, and lo and behold, he gets taken down.

00:50:15.000 And I've often wondered, If that has something to do with it, because I have quite a bit of knowledge on how he was set up and what was behind it, which dovetails right back to the records or the books that were kept on the pedophiles' list that went with the prostitution ring.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 We've got to take a break, Jim, so hold on.

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00:54:30.000 I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will return tomorrow to the program.

00:54:38.000 I'm interviewing Jim Rothstein, who is a retired New York City police detective.

00:54:44.000 Throughout the duration of the program today, I want you to keep in mind this small idea.

00:54:50.000 Satanism is a sophisticated and highly effective motivational system For the spread of violence and cultural terrorism all the while, hiding behind the cloak of the First Amendment. 0.52

00:55:05.000 It is an ideology that has found a strategic application in the criminal underworld, even if it was not invented there.

00:55:16.000 And I want you to keep that in your mind throughout the program today, because there is strong connections between where we are today, where we have arrived at, Based upon certain events that have occurred in our culture, including the terrorist attacks themselves, that feed directly into this whole thing.

00:55:34.000 Because what we are dealing with, when you hear the word terrorism, You've got to equate this with a criminal enterprise, a criminal cabal of people.

00:55:44.000 Whether or not the mainstream media says Al-Qaeda is responsible, what you find when you start peeling back the layers of the onion, you find some very, very interesting political connections and money.

00:55:58.000 You've got to keep in mind, too, that our president and his father raided savings and loans and other notorious scams.

00:56:07.000 Billions of dollars were sucked out of our economy, out of the pockets of men and women in this country.

00:56:14.000 And, you know, when you start looking at the dollars that we're talking about here, they add up to huge amounts of money, enough money to actually run maybe governments, You know, operating a shadow government, if you want to call it that.

00:56:29.000 You know, we gotta follow the money.

00:56:31.000 That's really important in all of this, is following the money.

00:56:34.000 Where did this money go?

00:56:35.000 Why was no one prosecuted?

00:56:37.000 Because, you see, the thing is, is that for many years they have manipulated things so that they are in control.

00:56:44.000 And they are above the law, as you've heard my guest today talking about the three boys that were murdered in New York.

00:56:50.000 And Roy Cohn is another notorious figure, and he admits to my guest that his job was to get these guys off if they got into trouble.

00:57:00.000 And you heard him say that they served a guy the subpoena, and it was quashed for national security.

00:57:06.000 National security?

00:57:09.000 We murdered three innocent boys, children, and that's national security?

00:57:13.000 What do you think, Jim?

00:57:15.000 That's always been the biggest question I had.

00:57:18.000 I never, and I've looked over the National Security Act for that, and nowhere have I ever found that killing children should be part of it.

00:57:26.000 There's no justification for it?

00:57:28.000 No, and what's amazing is that nothing has ever happened from that investigation.

00:57:35.000 All it did is any law, and here's another thing that's really amazing.

00:57:39.000 Any law enforcement agent who has ever gone after this has ended up with nothing but trouble.

00:57:45.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 The heat is tremendous.

00:57:48.000 I've seen it all over the country.

00:57:52.000 And as you mentioned, it's still going on today.

00:57:54.000 Oh, more now than ever.

00:57:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:56.000 Now we're going to take our break and when we come back we're going to be joined by Noreen Goshen.

00:58:00.000 This is going to illustrate just exactly what we're talking about here, about how This kind of dynamic is at play.

00:58:07.000 And what they do, they utilize mind control techniques that the CIA refined under MKUltra.

00:58:13.000 And they work it on children, and this is a very, very insidious business.

00:58:18.000 Stay tuned, there's a lot more to come.

00:58:20.000 Our number today is 1-800-259-9231.

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00:58:26.000 Callers, we'll get to you here in just a moment.

00:58:27.000 Stay on the line, and we'll get back to that in just a minute.

00:58:31.000 I'm Michael Corbin filling in for Alex Jones, and we'll be right back after this.

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00:59:43.000 Can we continue? Our number today is 1-800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231.

00:59:51.000 I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who as you've heard, over the last couple of days, was covering this dog

00:59:56.000 and pony show in California with the now Governor-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:00:02.000 We will be getting an update from him today at some point during the program.

01:00:06.000 And he will return tomorrow with the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:10.000 And I have online with me today Jim Rothstein, retired New York City police detective, who was involved in some very high-profile cases.

01:00:17.000 And we're going to be shortly joined by Noreen Ghosh, who is the mother of a boy that was 12 years old when he was kidnapped, taken from the family.

01:00:24.000 Uh, and the story is just, it's just horrific, uh, what they did to this boy.

01:00:28.000 And, uh, Noreen's life has been completely turned upside down, as Jim mentioned, uh, you know, early on about how anybody that gets into this kind of stuff and investigates it...

01:00:38.000 It ends up having a lot of trouble, and you're going to hear her story.

01:00:42.000 She wrote a book called Why Johnny Can't Come Home, and it's just a heart-rending story.

01:00:49.000 Real quick, let's get to the phones and get some calls out of the way.

01:00:52.000 Ron, you're on with my guest.

01:00:54.000 Good afternoon.

01:00:56.000 Ron?

01:00:57.000 Can we have Ron?

01:01:01.000 Ron, are you there?

01:01:03.000 Okay, go ahead and put him on hold and we'll go back to him later.

01:01:06.000 Let's go to Dave in Michigan.

01:01:07.000 Good afternoon, Dave.

01:01:08.000 You're on with my guest, Jim Rothstein.

01:01:09.000 Is Jim there?

01:01:10.000 Yes, he is.

01:01:10.000 He's here.

01:01:11.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.000 Detroit Free Press, in the last couple of days, they've taken up a new cause.

01:01:18.000 Kindly old Dr. Kevorkian out of jail.

01:01:22.000 And Figer, his lawyer that ran for governor, is taking his case back up again.

01:01:26.000 And they're saying that he's dying in prison.

01:01:30.000 He's got Hepatitis C and he's got high blood pressure and fainting spells, you know what I mean?

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 And they're going, oh, let the poor old guy come out of prison and die in peace.

01:01:40.000 He's exactly right where he belongs.

01:01:43.000 I agree.

01:01:43.000 Jimmy, have any comment on that?

01:01:46.000 That is just totally absurd, but no, I don't really get into that stuff.

01:01:54.000 It's just all part of this whole program.

01:01:56.000 Have you ever seen any of those paintings that he did?

01:02:00.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 Oh, man, it looks like some of the stuff they used to have on Night Gallery.

01:02:05.000 Well, it's obvious that somebody who's done the things that he's done is probably tormented by what may be awaiting him when he passes away.

01:02:14.000 I'd like to know how he contacted Hepatitis C in prison.

01:02:17.000 Yeah.

01:02:18.000 Okay, Dave, we've got to move on.

01:02:19.000 Thank you for your call.

01:02:21.000 Let's go ahead back to Ron in New York.

01:02:22.000 Good afternoon, Ron.

01:02:23.000 You're on with my guest, Jim Rothstein.

01:02:25.000 Good afternoon, gentlemen.

01:02:27.000 Um, I had brought this issue up with Alex somewhere about, I guess, a week and a half ago.

01:02:32.000 I'm retired from the same organization as Jim.

01:02:35.000 Okay.

01:02:36.000 And it was in reference to Robert Mapp, Maplethorpe, association, or at least it was a suspected association

01:02:45.000 with the Carr brothers who were suspected of being associated, of course,

01:02:52.000 with the Son of Sam killings and cultic activities.

01:02:56.000 Okay.

01:02:56.000 But he illuminate a little bit more on that.

01:02:59.000 Jim, have you got a comment on that?

01:03:01.000 Yes, there was a connection there.

01:03:03.000 The Carr brothers, which is actually, they're the sons of what is known as Sam Carr, who ended up being the guy that actually started, or was the mover of this whole thing, which led to the son of Sam.

01:03:18.000 That's where the son of Sam comes from.

01:03:20.000 And at the time we did, I don't know when he retired, but Mapplethorpe showed up across the board on a lot of these things tied to the West Village and some of the other operations.

01:03:33.000 There was connections.

01:03:35.000 They were quite loose, but they were there.

01:03:37.000 As I understand it, the method was the organization or the cult that they belonged to.

01:03:44.000 Actually, it was called the process was the other name.

01:03:46.000 Yes, the method was also part of it.

01:03:49.000 When it came time that, at that time, in the late seventies, during the investigation... Hey, Ron, let me... Ron, let me interrupt you.

01:03:56.000 I'm going to hold you over, okay?

01:03:58.000 We'll put you on hold and we'll come back to that.

01:04:01.000 We've got to take a break.

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01:08:09.000 Now, let's go back to Ron, our caller Ron from New York, and my guest, Jim Rothstein, before we go to our other guest, Noreen Ghosh.

01:08:17.000 Ron, are you with us?

01:08:17.000 Yes, I am.

01:08:23.000 At the time, in the late 70s, when this occurred, the NYPD, my understanding, tried to speak with Mr. Mapplethorpe, who made himself scarce.

01:08:33.000 I believe he may have left the state, is what was indicated.

01:08:37.000 A funny part about that, and you know this is one of the things with Arnold Schwarzenegger, though I was never supportive of his candidacy, I find really troubling, his association with Mapplethorpe, or at least alleged association with him.

01:08:48.000 Yeah.

01:08:49.000 We move forward ten years later, okay, to the late 1980s.

01:08:52.000 Now you remember the controversy in Ohio with Mapplethorpe's art exhibit?

01:08:56.000 Yeah.

01:08:57.000 An associate of mine at the time, an acquaintance, was a detective with NYPD and I was an officer in NYPD.

01:09:04.000 We struck a conversation up because that was pretty much front page news at that time.

01:09:08.000 And he had indicated that he was associated with somebody else.

01:09:13.000 He didn't even want to name his name.

01:09:15.000 And that the NYPD, for several years after the arrest of David Burke, with maybe up until about the early or middle 80s, was investigating leads here and there about the cultic or the conspiratorial aspects of the Son of Sam case.

01:09:31.000 And a friend of his, Had gone to the Far West as part of this investigation.

01:09:37.000 Now, this guy was very happy, quite satisfied with his career.

01:09:42.000 Didn't really have a care in the world.

01:09:44.000 Was a very good investigator, very good detective.

01:09:47.000 He came back from the Far West frightened.

01:09:52.000 All he had indicated, according to what my friend had said to me, was that he had encountered people of great status and influence as a result of this investigation.

01:10:02.000 Wanted nothing more to do with it, and put in for early retirement.

01:10:06.000 Yeah.

01:10:07.000 It was never seen from again.

01:10:08.000 He said, you know, his friend never came by again to say hello or anything of that nature.

01:10:13.000 This is kind of the thing that you run into with this kind of stuff, is that this apparently has connections at very, very high levels, and a person can find themselves very dead if they press too hard on it.

01:10:23.000 It started that investigation.

01:10:25.000 Well, let me comment on that.

01:10:27.000 I can bring that up even closer.

01:10:29.000 Six years ago, I was brought back out to New York.

01:10:32.000 To Yonkers Police Department where they had reopened the Son of Sam case.

01:10:37.000 And as soon as I got out there and the former chief of detectives who handled the Berkowitz case notified the police department to pull their detective off because there was no way they wanted the Son of Sam case reopened.

01:10:52.000 There was much more to the Son of Sam case than just the killings that took place.

01:10:58.000 Go ahead, I'm sorry.

01:11:00.000 And what happened to that detective is quite common.

01:11:03.000 I knew a number of guys that just flat out backed out of it and wouldn't go there.

01:11:08.000 I think I was the only one and eventually they drummed me out of there.

01:11:11.000 I was forced to retire in 1980 because of the investigations we were doing.

01:11:17.000 One of my former partners, they in fact dropped a shrapnel bomb on his bed.

01:11:24.000 So you can see there's a lot of heat on this and I think I know The detective, uh, what he was doing out on the West Coast, because this definitely ties straight across.

01:11:33.000 It's the interstate 90, what we call the interstate 90-94 run, uh, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go anywhere else.

01:11:41.000 Right.

01:11:42.000 But the amazing part about it is, as I said, yeah, he became so frightened.

01:11:45.000 The guy went out there, you might describe him according, as I said, according to this, my professional associate, and he was my acquaintance and friend, too, this guy.

01:11:53.000 His friend, who was a detective, went out there like daylight.

01:11:57.000 He came back like nighttime.

01:11:59.000 Frightened.

01:11:59.000 Threw his papers in early.

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 Threw his papers in and retired early, which is... Your guests will know that.

01:12:04.000 That is not the most usual occurrence in NYPD.

01:12:08.000 Nope.

01:12:08.000 You know, you don't opt for early retirement.

01:12:10.000 He was so frightened, he never even called back.

01:12:13.000 Now, as a former police officer, I know this, you know this, you always sort of check back with your friends.

01:12:18.000 How's everything doing?

01:12:19.000 How you going?

01:12:20.000 The guy just completely disappeared off the map.

01:12:23.000 He felt that was consistent with his safety.

01:12:26.000 Well, I'll just give you one more little anecdotal story.

01:12:28.000 It's not necessarily Maplethorpe.

01:12:30.000 Another friend of mine, who is presently with the NYPD, is an active duty officer.

01:12:35.000 In his precinct, this is what happens.

01:12:37.000 There is a house with a number of people and a number of children in it, in his precinct area.

01:12:43.000 One of the neighbors makes a confidential call to the Bureau of Child Welfare.

01:12:47.000 They suspect something.

01:12:49.000 So what happens, the social worker from that organization goes to the house, knocks on the door, gets no answer or cooperation.

01:12:56.000 Um, they ask around with the neighbors.

01:12:59.000 Now, I'm sure this was not the neighbor that launched the call.

01:13:01.000 The neighbor ignorantly informed the people that some official from the Department of Social Services was knocking at your door.

01:13:09.000 My friend, the Bureau of Child Welfare social worker, just a few days later, just a few days later, goes to his precinct, requests that the officers accompany her back to the house, and guess what?

01:13:24.000 Not only are they gone, the house was bulldozed.

01:13:28.000 There was nothing left.

01:13:29.000 They destroyed any evidence trail.

01:13:31.000 They disappeared into thin air and had the very house they were residing in obliterated and bulldozed.

01:13:36.000 So this is the way these people operate.

01:13:38.000 They don't leave any loose ends.

01:13:40.000 That's very correct.

01:13:41.000 Maury, if possible, could you get Ron to get my phone number and call me?

01:13:46.000 You want to do that, Ron?

01:13:47.000 I'll take his phone number.

01:13:49.000 Okay, the engineer will take your call, put you on hold, and get your phone number.

01:13:52.000 Now, Jim, we're going to move on because we've got Noreen Gosch online with us.

01:13:57.000 This is an incredible story, too, that basically goes into some very strange places as well.

01:14:03.000 Let's go on directly to Noreen.

01:14:05.000 Noreen is the mother of Johnny Gosch, who disappeared in the 80s.

01:14:09.000 He was 12 years old.

01:14:11.000 She has spent her entire life from that point forward trying to get some answers and to get her son back.

01:14:17.000 Her son, ironically, and surprisingly, is still alive as far as she knows, but he did show up on her doorstep many years later and he had quite a story to tell.

01:14:27.000 The story now is contained in her book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home.

01:14:31.000 We'll find out about how to get a copy of that book, but without further ado, Noreen, thank you for being on the program with us today.

01:14:37.000 Well, thank you so much for having me on.

01:14:39.000 I really appreciate it.

01:14:40.000 No problem.

01:14:41.000 Let's go real quick to your story.

01:14:43.000 Tell your story.

01:14:43.000 We've got about four minutes before we take a break, but go ahead and tell your story.

01:14:46.000 Okay.

01:14:46.000 On September 5, 1982, my son was delivering his Sunday morning newspapers, and he was kidnapped off the street.

01:14:55.000 There were two men that they could tell, one vehicle, and there were several witnesses that saw the people take him.

01:15:04.000 And there were also in the group of witnesses, one of them was a 44-year-old attorney.

01:15:11.000 So we had fairly reputable witnesses.

01:15:15.000 And as in a lot of situations with kidnapped children, you don't always get the response that you hoped for with law enforcement.

01:15:26.000 That has changed since Johnny's kidnapping, but something wasn't right here and I knew it.

01:15:33.000 The truth was they chose not to in this case in West Des Moines, Iowa.

01:15:36.000 told us to sit at home and wait and that they couldn't do anything for 72 hours.

01:15:44.000 The truth was they chose not to in this case in West Des Moines, Iowa.

01:15:50.000 You found out as part of your investigation that there was some premeditation and Johnny

01:15:58.000 had been stalked or selected probably beforehand for being kidnapped.

01:16:03.000 That's true.

01:16:04.000 Nine years later a young man came forward by the name of Paul Benassi who stated that he had been present at the time of the kidnapping.

01:16:14.000 In fact he helped.

01:16:15.000 He was one of the kidnappers.

01:16:17.000 And he told us how our family had been watched for some period of time and then they also came into our neighborhood A few weeks before the kidnapping and took photos of Johnny.

01:16:28.000 So they knew exactly who they were coming after and they watched our movement.

01:16:33.000 They knew what time he went on his paper route and things of that nature.

01:16:37.000 Now this was in, was this in Des Moines, Iowa?

01:16:39.000 West Des Moines.

01:16:40.000 West Des Moines.

01:16:41.000 Jim, you're very familiar with the Omaha, Nebraska child pornography and satanic ring that was going on there.

01:16:49.000 Who is Paul Benassi?

01:16:50.000 Paul Benassi was one of the primary victims, and the one that John DeCamp worked with very closely, and we got a lot of information off of that.

01:17:01.000 And the Johnny Gosch case definitely ties off all of these things.

01:17:06.000 It's the same with many other cases around the country.

01:17:10.000 And I'm quite familiar with Noreen's story.

01:17:12.000 I've met and talked to Noreen a number of times, and this is one of the classic cases Why the police didn't investigate is the big question.

01:17:21.000 I had personally spoke to the captain, or I guess he ended up being the captain, who basically told me there was nothing done.

01:17:30.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 Okay, Noreen, go back to your story.

01:17:33.000 In the brevity of time, we're going to have to kind of punctuate it a little bit, but Johnny disappears.

01:17:39.000 The cops don't seem to be helping at all in trying to help find him.

01:17:45.000 And go on from there.

01:17:47.000 Well, it was a matter of frustration and urgency.

01:17:50.000 I hired private investigators to begin a search of my own.

01:17:54.000 And it was through that search that I was able to find out the majority of the information about what happened to Johnny, who was involved.

01:18:02.000 And the information that came from Paul Benassi was extremely helpful.

01:18:07.000 What did you find out from Benassi?

01:18:10.000 I found out that Johnny was taken for purposes of being in a prostitution pornography ring.

01:18:17.000 And that these kids were shipped all around the country to be used by wealthy pedophiles.

01:18:24.000 And that Johnny, in fact, was very much alive.

01:18:28.000 And it was several years later that he did show up on my doorstep.

01:18:34.000 And I do believe that to this day that he is probably in touch with and communicates with Paul Benassi.

01:18:41.000 He would be considered a trusted friend.

01:18:43.000 Paul was very young at the time Johnny was kidnapped.

01:18:47.000 And he was forced to participate by the kidnappers because they had done the same thing to Paul, basically.

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:55.000 Okay.

01:18:56.000 Hold that thought.

01:18:56.000 We've got to take a break.

01:18:57.000 When we come back, we'll continue with your story, Noreen.

01:18:59.000 That's Noreen Gosch and Jim Rothstein on the line with us.

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01:24:06.000 And returning are my guests Noreen Gosch and Jim Rothstein.

01:24:10.000 Noreen is the mother of Johnny Gosch and the author of the book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home.

01:24:14.000 And Jim is a retired New York City police detective who devotes his life now to locating missing children.

01:24:21.000 And as we're hearing, there is a connection.

01:24:23.000 And we're going to hear that from Noreen, too, as well, about her own particular individual case.

01:24:28.000 From what she has learned in her investigation, there is a connection to much, much greater places.

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01:24:41.000 And they are for what I would even call a term that Michael Sweeney has coined, political control technologies, if you will.

01:24:50.000 Noreen, let's go back to your story.

01:24:54.000 Getting to the part now, Johnny shows up.

01:24:57.000 You've had a really frustrating time, lots of trouble with law enforcement.

01:25:02.000 Nobody seems to want to do anything about it, and you know, you've gone out on your own investigation here, trying to locate your son.

01:25:09.000 Johnny shows up on your doorstep.

01:25:11.000 What does he tell you about this stuff?

01:25:13.000 Yes, Johnny did show up after seeing me on a national TV program, and while he was here, which was a very short time, he told me that he indeed was taken for exactly what Paul Benassi had told us.

01:25:27.000 prostitution, pornography, that he had moved all around the country and that he had broken

01:25:33.000 away from this group of people after he outlived his usefulness to them and that he and another

01:25:41.000 couple of kids had been more or less on the run, hiding in various places, changed their

01:25:48.000 identities, their looks, their appearance, everything just so they could survive and

01:25:54.000 not be found again by the men who had taken them.

01:25:59.000 I thought he was home to stay when he showed up at the door, and that was not the case.

01:26:05.000 When I offered to call somebody for some help, he said, no, I can't stay.

01:26:12.000 If I do, they'll kill me.

01:26:15.000 I have to go.

01:26:16.000 But I wanted to tell you what had taken place, and in his mind he thought that If I would just go to the police or the county attorney or whomever and tell them this, that they would begin to make arrests because he named some names too.

01:26:34.000 Well that, he didn't realize that just by my going to tell them, that wasn't enough.

01:26:41.000 He would have to be the one to go public.

01:26:45.000 And he then left after a couple hours visit.

01:26:51.000 Directly after that, about a week later, I was able to get the county attorney to meet with me.

01:26:57.000 And I went in and I gave him all the information that Johnny gave me.

01:27:01.000 But I told him that there was an informant that had come forward.

01:27:05.000 I did not reveal that it was my son.

01:27:08.000 And it was because Johnny asked me not to tell anyone that he had been here.

01:27:14.000 And I didn't for over two years.

01:27:18.000 After two years, I was subpoenaed to testify in a federal court in Lincoln, Nebraska on behalf of Paul Banasi.

01:27:29.000 And while I was on the witness stand, the attorney asked if I had ever seen or talked to my son in the entire time he was missing.

01:27:37.000 Of course, you were under oath.

01:27:38.000 And I was under oath.

01:27:39.000 And unfortunately, there was a reporter in the back of the room that was writing down everything that everybody said. 0.94

01:27:47.000 Long story short, the story went nationwide and then there were a lot of people that said, oh well, he's not alive, she made it up, all that kind of crap.

01:27:59.000 Johnny's life basically really is at stake as well as these other young kids.

01:28:04.000 They don't trust anyone.

01:28:06.000 Why should they?

01:28:07.000 There were law enforcement people involved in it.

01:28:10.000 We know that right from Des Moines, Iowa when Jim talked to the captain.

01:28:15.000 We told them they didn't do anything because they were told not to.

01:28:19.000 You hear this a lot, don't you, Jim?

01:28:20.000 Yes, you do.

01:28:22.000 And for the people in the audience who do not believe what Noreen's saying, there were things that were told to her that I knew about long before Johnny came home.

01:28:31.000 And the other thing that I have seen, and this is important to remember, once they have these people 72 hours, they're gone.

01:28:40.000 And it takes some very qualified people to bring them back into the norm again.

01:28:47.000 Okay.

01:28:47.000 Hold that, both of you.

01:28:48.000 We've got to take another break.

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01:35:48.000 Now, back to my guests, Noreen Gosch and Jim Rostein.

01:35:52.000 And, real quick, I want to get a little bit more commentary from Noreen in just a moment, but let's take a couple of calls, okay?

01:35:58.000 We've got Eric calling in from Texas.

01:35:59.000 Good afternoon, Eric.

01:36:00.000 You're on with my guests.

01:36:03.000 Eric.

01:36:05.000 Hello?

01:36:05.000 Eric, you're on the air.

01:36:06.000 Hi, Michael.

01:36:08.000 I'm calling in about the general topic that we're talking about, and would you agree that's Satanism?

01:36:15.000 Well, Satanism is a large part of it.

01:36:18.000 The word I ascribe to the topic today is the Aesthetics of Terror, and we're going to get to that in the next hour about the bigger picture and how this plugs into everything.

01:36:26.000 Okay.

01:36:26.000 I just want to introduce myself.

01:36:28.000 My name is Eric Wayne Bolton.

01:36:29.000 I'm from Austin, Texas.

01:36:31.000 I live here with Alex.

01:36:32.000 I'm a Texas show producer.

01:36:34.000 Channel 10 8 p.m.

01:36:35.000 here in Austin on Wednesday night and I have a website 9-11 exposed and I'm calling in because this topic I didn't think I'd ever get to this topic but you know I got involved at 9-11 and then as you know the rabbit hole goes much deeper.

01:36:49.000 So I just published an essay called RC Tanaka President which is chock full of information and links Well, Eric, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.

01:37:00.000 I'm going to put you on hold.

01:37:01.000 Give your phone number to the board operator, the engineer, and we'll make contact, okay?

01:37:07.000 Okay, but I do have a few more questions about this and a comment about it.

01:37:12.000 I want to bring up a topic.

01:37:13.000 Are you still there, Michael?

01:37:14.000 Yeah, I'm here.

01:37:15.000 Okay, great.

01:37:16.000 I just want to bring up this topic because I heard on another show on Genesis, another caller called in and he was calling about the same topic, tilesecturing, and he brought up This FBI operation called Operation Brownstone, and when I did a cursory search through Google.com typing in Operation Brownstone, I came across a letter of links regarding this.

01:37:39.000 I was wondering if we could shed some light and knowledge on that, and I also have that link posted on 9-11 exposed inside the article, Our Satanic President.

01:37:49.000 Okay.

01:37:50.000 Thanks, Eric, for the call.

01:37:51.000 Jim, do you have any comments on Operation Brownstone?

01:37:54.000 Yes, I'm familiar with it, although I have not had the opportunity to look into it in depth.

01:38:00.000 But, yes, I'm familiar with it.

01:38:02.000 Okay.

01:38:03.000 Does it go into these directions that Eric was saying?

01:38:05.000 Yes, it does.

01:38:06.000 Okay.

01:38:07.000 Let's take another call.

01:38:08.000 Diane from South Carolina.

01:38:09.000 Good afternoon, Diane.

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01:38:12.000 Diane.

01:38:15.000 My question is, the Lacey Peterson out in California, When they were talking about this could be satanically linked, oh, everybody jumped up and said, no, no, no.

01:38:24.000 But from hearing and reading some of your stuff, and other people's stuff, it talks about that at that time of year, December 24th, around that, they get a pregnant woman, they take the child, and then later on, they talk about the child being sacrificed.

01:38:38.000 Does either one of your people know about this?

01:38:40.000 You know, about this type of stuff?

01:38:43.000 Could it possibly be linked?

01:38:45.000 Jim?

01:38:45.000 In fact, up in Maine, I had some priests come to me who had a mother who they were going to take the child and sacrifice.

01:38:54.000 There are other cases similar to that.

01:38:57.000 There is a type of thing that does involve that, yes.

01:39:04.000 Thank y'all for everything you're doing, because like I said, if y'all don't tell us Nobody will ever find out.

01:39:10.000 That's right.

01:39:10.000 You got it.

01:39:10.000 Keep listening, Diane.

01:39:11.000 Thanks for the call.

01:39:12.000 Thank you.

01:39:12.000 Noreen, do you have any comments on that?

01:39:13.000 I know, did Johnny mention to you anything having to do with any kind of occult rituals or anything like that involving the group that he was involved in?

01:39:21.000 I have not gotten any information directly that he was, although Paul Benassi did describe cult activities and satanic rituals that he was forced to attend.

01:39:34.000 but he did not attend the same ones that Johnny might have.

01:39:38.000 Yeah.

01:39:39.000 And then I just don't have information in that area. Now maybe Jim might have something.

01:39:43.000 Well, I would like to bring up one thing, Noreen, and see if this is true in your case, which I believe it is.

01:39:50.000 All the shows that you and I have done, together and separate, What amazes me, no politician on either the state or federal level or any law enforcement agent has ever called to find out more.

01:40:05.000 I find this just mind-boggling.

01:40:06.000 A person would think somewhere in this country there must be somebody who's willing to stand up.

01:40:12.000 Yes.

01:40:13.000 I think so too.

01:40:14.000 My feelings exactly.

01:40:15.000 There's never been anyone.

01:40:18.000 I even testified for a Senate hearing Well, that's interesting because they made sure that I did not attend any of that.

01:40:27.000 Oh, interesting. And it was the organized crime hearings and how they had any relationship to kidnap children.

01:40:35.000 I wasn't brought in to testify on the missing children's hearing, but they brought me in for

01:40:42.000 the organized crime one. Well, that's interesting because they made sure that I did not attend any

01:40:49.000 of that. They didn't want me there. That was in August of 1984, and then after that hearing,

01:40:55.000 Nobody did anything.

01:40:56.000 None of those official people sitting there in that room ever contacted me again about anything in my testimony, which laid it out pretty well about what I suspect had happened to Johnny based on my private detective reports, and I documented everything.

01:41:14.000 They weren't interested.

01:41:15.000 They just did the hearings, I think, as a feel-good kind of effort.

01:41:19.000 Make the public think they're doing something.

01:41:21.000 Sure, and that's why we need people like Maury and other people in the media to start pushing this thing and hope somebody has the guts to take it on.

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 Jim, by the way, it's Michael.

01:41:31.000 Michael, I mean, I'm sorry.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, that's okay.

01:41:34.000 I think that a lot of people are easily compromised, don't you, Jim?

01:41:38.000 Very easily compromised and scared of their careers.

01:41:41.000 Yeah, for either something they've done in their life that they don't want to come out, or their careers, or maybe the safety of their own families.

01:41:49.000 That's been my experience.

01:41:50.000 Very true.

01:41:52.000 Let me ask you this, Jim, from a law enforcement perspective.

01:41:55.000 Obviously, in Noreen's case, the satanic thing in Omaha, Nebraska, led to a very illustrious character who has been in the news other times, a retired lieutenant colonel from the Army.

01:42:09.000 Aquino.

01:42:10.000 Michael Aquino.

01:42:12.000 Noreen, did that come up in any of your investigation?

01:42:15.000 Oh, yes.

01:42:16.000 He was referred to as the colonel.

01:42:19.000 and uh...

01:42:20.000 his name has come up repeatedly by been asking and other witnesses

01:42:25.000 have indicated he was behind johnny kidnapping jim what can you add to that

01:42:31.000 Yes, Aquino's name has come up many, many times over many investigations.

01:42:36.000 There was a little book put out called The Masters of Persuasion, which he threatened that if this book came out he was going to sue, and so far he hasn't sued, and I hope he does because I would love to see what his response would be to the information that is out there about his connection to all of this.

01:42:54.000 Now Aquino, as some people in the audience may know, I know this name has come up before on different programs.

01:43:00.000 He was the lieutenant colonel from the army that was, he was I don't want to say he was not convicted.

01:43:07.000 As a matter of fact, they dropped the charges, but his name came up in the investigation at the Presidio in San Francisco, in the daycare center there, the Presidio Daycare Center, where several children had alleged that they had been victimized and ritualized by Aquino and the director of the daycare center, Gary Hambright.

01:43:27.000 And, of course, that whole thing was covered in what paper was it?

01:43:30.000 The San Jose Mercury News?

01:43:32.000 Do you remember, was it?

01:43:33.000 Yes, it was.

01:43:34.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 That is an interesting story in and of itself.

01:43:36.000 And, of course, there was actually allegations that came up from other military bases that he had been involved in, where the allegations were basically the same.

01:43:46.000 And, you know, the thing is, we're talking about children here now.

01:43:49.000 And, you know, some folks will recall the McMartin Daycare Center in Manhattan Beach, California, that also there was a big trial over that deal about the children claiming that they had been brutalized.

01:44:02.000 From your perspective, Jim, again going back to some of the stuff that you've learned in your career as a law enforcement officer, what, you know, some people have called it Project Monarch.

01:44:12.000 You may have a comment about this too, but some people call it Project Monarch.

01:44:15.000 I know that nobody has ever been able to verify that that is the correct title of the operation that is alleged to be connected to the CIA, but one of the things that Project Monarch has dealt with as far as what we know about it Is that there may be some rogue element in the government or some outfit that is taking children at a very young age, ritually terrorizing them, and creating multiple personality disorder.

01:44:44.000 I know this has a lot to play, or a big part to play in this, because Paul Benassi himself has been diagnosed with MPD, multiple personality disorder.

01:44:52.000 Multiple personality disorder is a trauma-based conditioning.

01:44:57.000 It is a psychological aberration or problem that comes up from ritually abusing children and it seems like this is kind of the method that they use.

01:45:08.000 They get children at a very early age and they do this to them and they train them to become prostitutes, drug couriers, assassins even.

01:45:18.000 Can you add to that, Jim? 0.52

01:45:19.000 Yes, I have heard about this.

01:45:21.000 I have never been able to prove it, but over the years, dealing with many of the victims, there is a loose-knit connection that I find where these people fall into this and are, I shouldn't say programmed, because it's not that definite an item, but influenced or motivated to follow that type of lifestyle, yes.

01:45:47.000 I have never been able to verify that it officially exists.

01:45:51.000 Noreen, did Johnny mention anything to you about anything like that that occurred to him, like any kind of brainwashing or mind control?

01:45:57.000 Yes, he did, and so did Paul Benassi.

01:46:00.000 And Paul Benassi claimed that they had areas in the Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska, where they did this.

01:46:11.000 And then I did a radio program, and people who had worked at Offutt Air Force Base, And we're no longer there, called in, these were ex-military men, called in on the program and said that, yes, that was true.

01:46:26.000 They were conducting those mind control experiments and they had classrooms full of children.

01:46:32.000 And then they would take them to other army bases or air force bases for other types of training.

01:46:38.000 And my question was, well, how did they bring you in without somebody asking questions?

01:46:43.000 And they were brought in and they were meshed right with ROTC.

01:46:47.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 And then nobody would ask any questions.

01:46:50.000 It's just another group of ROTC.

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 And Paul Bonacci also told me that a lot of the kids that were taken, kidnapped for this purpose, some were trained on the military side and some were trained as prostitutes or the clergy.

01:47:11.000 And he said there were two separate types of training.

01:47:14.000 And he told me that he and Johnny were put into the military side and then I've seen diaries that Paul Benassi wrote and some of the pages were exact steps of how to build bombs and lots of other technical types of things that he would not have known otherwise.

01:47:35.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 And he wrote those diaries while he was in prison.

01:47:40.000 It wasn't like he was, you know, Sitting in a library.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:45.000 Let's grab a call.

01:47:45.000 We've got Ron calling in from Oklahoma.

01:47:47.000 Good afternoon, Ron.

01:47:48.000 You're one of my guests today.

01:47:50.000 We have a little bit of time, so make it quick.

01:47:51.000 Go ahead.

01:47:52.000 You're on the air.

01:47:52.000 Okay, Michael.

01:47:53.000 I just finished Techsmartt's book, Circle of Intrigue, about the Illuminati.

01:47:57.000 Right.

01:47:57.000 Okay, it's got me wondering about a connection.

01:47:59.000 Your guest, Jim, mentioned Richard Nixon.

01:48:03.000 Pressure brought to bear on him.

01:48:04.000 I'm wondering what we're talking about here.

01:48:07.000 Simply pedophiles, recalls, anti-criminal, kidnap for profit.

01:48:13.000 Can he unlike me? 0.71

01:48:15.000 What's going on here?

01:48:16.000 Well, yes.

01:48:19.000 All these things mesh together.

01:48:21.000 You'll find there's different levels.

01:48:23.000 They go from one level to the next.

01:48:27.000 It's across the board.

01:48:28.000 It's loose-knit, and it just functions.

01:48:33.000 These things all tie together.

01:48:34.000 What about the Secret Society, the Illuminati, the Invisible Hand, which I've been aware of for years, but I'm now just beginning to find out about from Looks like a circle of intrigue, an order out of chaos.

01:48:47.000 Yes, you'll see all of these things.

01:48:49.000 Why are they secret societies?

01:48:51.000 In any society that's secret, where you go through an initiation that degrades you or breaks you, is part of the program.

01:48:58.000 That's what it's all about.

01:49:01.000 It's about control.

01:49:02.000 Yes, mind control.

01:49:03.000 Controlling you in your lifestyle, controlling you in how you think.

01:49:08.000 That's what the purpose of it is.

01:49:10.000 Right.

01:49:10.000 The invisible hand, the propaganda machine that runs Hollywood, the media, blah, blah, blah.

01:49:16.000 I'm also getting the impression here that we've got CIA and military and Department of Defense involvement in this.

01:49:23.000 And it makes me wonder about Matrix, DARPA, and Echelon, how much information they're gathering, and how they're going to use this to possibly blackmail officials and public officials, law enforcement, whoever, to do their bidding.

01:49:35.000 Ron, that's the game.

01:49:36.000 That is the game.

01:49:37.000 That is the game.

01:49:38.000 It's about money and control, it's about influence and positioning people like pawns on a chessboard to ultimately bring us into tyranny, and that's where this is all going.

01:49:49.000 Okay.

01:49:49.000 It's mind-boggling.

01:49:50.000 You're right, it is.

01:49:52.000 Thanks for your call, Ron.

01:49:53.000 We've got to move on.

01:49:53.000 We've got to take a break.

01:49:55.000 Noreen Gosch and Jim Rothstein will join me on the other side of the break.

01:49:58.000 Stay tuned, there's more to come.

01:49:59.000 Our number today is 1-800-259-9231.

01:50:03.000 1-800-259-9231.

01:50:04.000 Noreen is going to give out information, too, about how you can get a copy of Why Johnny Can't Come Home.

01:50:10.000 It is quite a story, and it is sick what these people are doing to our children.

01:50:14.000 We'll be right back after this.

01:50:15.000 I'm Michael Korman filling in for Alex Jones.

01:50:17.000 There's more to come.

01:50:18.000 We'll be right back.

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01:53:38.000 We continue 1-800-259-9231.

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01:53:42.000 And Noreen, real quick, can you give out the information about how people can get a copy of Why Johnny Can't Come Home?

01:53:52.000 Yes.

01:53:52.000 People can go to my website, which is www.johnnygosh.com.

01:53:59.000 And on there, there's information.

01:54:01.000 There's also a printable Order for them if they wish to just mail a check, or they can do it through the internet.

01:54:07.000 Okay.

01:54:08.000 Again, that's www.johnnyjohnygosh.com.

01:54:15.000 That's right.

01:54:16.000 Noreen, you've got a couple of minutes before the end of the hour.

01:54:21.000 Just wrap it up for me, would you?

01:54:24.000 Well, up to present day, we know that Johnny is still alive, and I was given information about a couple of weeks ago.

01:54:31.000 That he moved from one location where he had been living to another.

01:54:36.000 And apparently he felt it was safer, there was some reason for him to pick up stakes and move.

01:54:42.000 And this is pretty much what these kids do.

01:54:46.000 They don't have any formal education, usually past junior high, so they just move around the country and live as a vagabond.

01:54:54.000 And he recently moved again, from what I was told.

01:54:57.000 And that's the latest.

01:55:00.000 That's the latest.

01:55:01.000 As a mother, and I know this has been extremely painful for you, but as a mother, what do you say to these people that were responsible for what they did to your son?

01:55:13.000 I want to see justice served.

01:55:16.000 I'm not a seeker of revenge, but I feel that justice needs to be served because these people will continue to hurt other children and ruin more and more families every chance they get.

01:55:28.000 They won't stop.

01:55:30.000 As long as there's supply and demand, there will be kidnappings of children.

01:55:36.000 How does this change your outlook or viewpoint on what's going on?

01:55:40.000 You know, like a civil authorities, law enforcement, and that type of thing.

01:55:43.000 I've been very disappointed in the reaction of our law enforcement locally.

01:55:47.000 I know they were bought, they were told not to investigate, and the former police chief died earlier this year.

01:55:54.000 And I had hoped that once his death had taken place, That maybe it would loosen up some information, and that has not happened yet.

01:56:06.000 We know the extent of the involvement there, and this has been a very long, hard road, and the one detective who was helpful to me on the department is in Iraq.

01:56:22.000 He's with the National Guard, and he won't be back for some time.

01:56:25.000 So my one ally I have there is not there right now.

01:56:29.000 Is Johnny free of that lifestyle?

01:56:31.000 In other words, as long as he's away from them, he has the opportunity to try and get his life back?

01:56:36.000 I assume that's part of what he's doing.

01:56:38.000 He's free to the degree that he's not doing exactly what they had him doing.

01:56:42.000 But without education or any other formal training, I'm sure that he earns money any way he can to live.

01:56:52.000 That's sad, because that's not what anybody would want for their child.

01:56:55.000 No, of course not.

01:56:57.000 It's very hard to think about that.

01:56:59.000 He's a grown man now.

01:57:00.000 He's not a little boy anymore.

01:57:02.000 Well, Noreen, thank you very much for coming on the program.

01:57:05.000 Thank you so much.

01:57:06.000 Hello to Jim, and thank you, too.

01:57:08.000 Thank you, Noreen.

01:57:09.000 Bye-bye now.

01:57:10.000 We'll be in touch, Noreen.

01:57:11.000 Thank you.

01:57:12.000 That was Noreen Gosch.

01:57:13.000 Coming up next hour, we're going to be joined by Maury Terry.

01:57:16.000 Who is the author of The Ultimate Evil, a book that was reprinted actually a couple of years ago.

01:57:21.000 It's available at the bookstores.

01:57:23.000 This is an incredible story.

01:57:24.000 We're going to hear about the bigger dynamic now, about the group that was involved in The Son of Sam.

01:57:31.000 It just goes into some wild places, and Jim Rothstein will be staying with us on that part of the hour, too.

01:57:36.000 So, there's a lot more to come.

01:57:38.000 Our number today is 1-800-259-9231.

01:57:41.000 1-800-259-9231.

01:57:41.000 And we'll be right back after this.

01:57:47.000 Callers, we'll take you coming up back from the break.

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