Arnold Schwarzenegger is now the Governor of California, and the rest is history. But who is this man really? And what ties him to the New World Order elite? Is he a member of the Manson family? Or is he part of the Bush administration?
00:00:51.000Anyway, you've got to go check out InfoWars.com today.
00:00:55.000Definitely check out InfoWars.com because The true nature of the identity of this man is really starting to spill out and Alex has compiled a lot of information on InfoWars.com which again you've got to check out today to find out who this man really is.
00:01:14.000Interesting link that is on InfoWars.com to Matt Drudge's website.
00:01:19.000Drudge has an interesting article about Schwarzenegger and being He was a nude model for Mapplethorpe, for Robert Mapplethorpe.
00:01:35.000It tells you a considerable amount because who was Robert Mapplethorpe?
00:01:41.000Mapplethorpe was a pervert, a very sick pervert, who was in New York.
00:01:45.000We're going to hear a little bit about him today anyway in our interview with my guest coming up here in a little bit.
00:01:50.000But Mapplethorpe was a photographer who lived in New York and A man who was involved in some very, very dark, dark, insidious, evil things, including a peripheral involvement with the son of Sam, which is again what we're going to talk about today.
00:02:09.000But what's even more telling is that Mapplethorpe was a homosexual who was in that circuit in New York City during those days when all that stuff was going crazy out there.
00:02:26.000He shot photographs of some pretty twisted, sick things.
00:02:30.000Including one thing that he called the Piss Christ.
00:02:33.000And that was one of the things that really, really put him on the map internationally.
00:02:38.000But the guy was a sick, twisted pervert.
00:02:41.000But anyway, according to Drudge's investigation of him, Arnold Schwarzenegger posed for nude photographs uh... by him and uh... we're talking about full nude photographs uh... and uh... just reading a little bit from the drudge's uh... report here says the shocking nudes of republican schwarzenegger have been kept under lock at the estate of robert mapplethorpe in new york now mapplethorpe whose infamous self-portrait with a bull whip inserted in his anus as well as many photographs of penises and men engaging in homosexual acts considered schwarzenegger one of his favorite subjects
00:03:17.000Now those come from sources close to the late artist, and they were telling this to Matt Drudge.
00:03:24.000...of the iceberg of who this guy really, really is.
00:03:27.000Of course, according to InfoWars.com too, the New World Order elite has big plans for this guy, and he is now officially the Governor-Elect of California.
00:03:43.000There's also a link on there to a 1976 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, where Arnold said he dreamed of being a dictator and controlling large groups of people.
00:04:21.000I'm reading from a quote from ABC News that Arnold wrote in his 1975 book, Proposal for Pumping Iron.
00:04:28.000Quote, I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power.
00:04:36.000I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it.
00:04:40.000And he went on to say that he would have liked to be like Hitler in the Nuremberg Stadium and have all those people scream at you and just being total agreement in whatever you say.
00:04:51.000This is the guy that's now the governor of California, and there's other things coming out with this.
00:04:55.000Stay tuned, there's more coming up on the Alex Jones Show.
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00:08:26.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:31.000And again, I'm Michael Corbin sitting in for Alex Jones who has been out in Los Angeles covering the dog and pony show known as the Arnold Schwarzenegger.
00:09:03.000We're going to have an update from Alex today at some point on the finale of that whole thing.
00:09:09.000As you know from the last couple of days, Alex has come in with special reports about what was going on out there, the mood and the whole climate in California.
00:09:19.000And of course, as we all know now, Arnold Schwarzenegger is now Governor-Elect.
00:09:24.000Gray Davis is out and now the game, well I shouldn't say now the game begins because the game's already afoot, it's been in play.
00:09:34.000So, you know, and as you heard yesterday with Matt, not Matt Drudge, but with Greg Pallast, when he was on the program talking about the nine billion dollar Enron secret that he has, it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays itself out.
00:09:47.000But you just can't help but get that feeling that, you know, something even worse now, I mean, The lesser two evils may have been Gray Davis, but now that Schwarzenegger's in, it's going to be interesting to see where that really goes.
00:10:00.000Now, we have got quite a lineup today, and it's kind of interesting because, as I mentioned with the Drudge Report thing, Mapplethorpe has taken photographs, new photographs, of Arnold Schwarzenegger, among others, and who knows what, but Mapplethorpe had quite a background, and We're going to be talking today, our focus on the program today is going to be some of these criminal cabals, mind control.
00:10:27.000I know Alex, even in Police State 3, the video that you need to get a copy of, he talks about white slavery, child pornography, the whole thing that surrounds all of these people, if you will, that you hear about.
00:10:43.000But we're going to have three very interesting guests today.
00:10:47.000The first one is a retired New York City police detective who was involved in numerous high-profile cases in the state of New York.
00:10:56.000And he is, for a closer look, he is our criminal justice specialist.
00:11:12.000Currently devotes his life, in retirement, currently devotes his life to finding, locating, missing and exploited children.
00:11:19.000And by God, you're going to find out how big of a problem this really is.
00:11:24.000You know, the mainstream media and the law enforcement agencies at the federal level will tend to downplay the significance of the number of children that are turning up missing in this country every year.
00:11:37.000Coming up on the second hour, we're going to be joined by Noreen Gosch, who is the mother of a child that was kidnapped back in the 80s.
00:11:46.000He was 12 years old when he was taken.
00:11:49.000Her story is extremely interesting from the standpoint that this child was kidnapped and was forced into a mind control cult, if you will, and was used as a prostitute, among other things.
00:12:05.000And he still has not been able to come home.
00:12:08.000She published a book called Why Johnny Can't Come Home.
00:12:11.000During the third hour, we're going to be joined by author Maury Terry.
00:12:16.000Now, Maury Terry, his name became almost household back in the 80s.
00:12:22.000I'm sorry, in the 70s, with the Son of Sam case in New York.
00:12:27.000And you may remember that David Berkowitz, who is now serving three consecutive life prison sentences in New York, who claimed at first that he was instructed by a demonic dog to perpetrate several killings in the New York area.
00:12:41.000As it turns out, Berkowitz was part of a large satanic coven, and we're going to hear about that investigation and how a lot of these things that we're going to be talking about today, how they all link up, because believe it or not, there are very, very serious, and I want to say serious, there are very, very serious connections To political figures and men, movers and shakers, affluent people, not only in the United States, but this is an international problem.
00:13:08.000And we're talking about, you know, murder, we're talking about Satanism, pedophilia, prostitution, and drugs.
00:13:59.000You heard the lineup we're going to have today.
00:14:01.000We're going to have Noreen Gosch and Maury Terry on.
00:14:03.000Basically, as I said, the focus of today's program, I want to look at the dynamics of how, you know, in other words, we're going to start with the missing children thing.
00:14:13.000And I want to talk about some of the cases that you've been involved in and how they connected to a bigger picture.
00:14:22.000Alright, well let's start with the notion of satanic cults that have a large involvement in some of the crimes that we hear about in the news today.
00:14:59.000And it was interesting, one of the reporters there had heard me speak about some of the things to look for.
00:15:04.000In this particular case, it had to do with a cigar butt.
00:15:08.000With the teeth marks on the ash end of it which is used for cleansing the body.
00:15:13.000And that's how it came out that this was a satanic killing.
00:15:16.000Up to that point, the FBI had denied that any of this stuff was going on or there was anything like it when they in fact very well knew that this has been going on for many years because at the time we did the investigation we were working with some of their agents.
00:15:34.000So that was an official line that they were taking.
00:15:36.000For what reason, I can only guess that, but over the years, many times when they grab somebody that's involved, you'll see that the case gets investigated to a certain point and disappears.
00:15:52.000And many times there's a legitimate reason for that, because you want to use that information to continue your investigation.
00:16:00.000But I have never ever seen anything happen after that level.
00:16:04.000For instance, the Gdusik case in Maryland, when he was arrested, a very well-known man, and I think he ended up doing a year and then disappeared.
00:16:15.000And what leads us back to him is that he came from the same area up in Yonkers where the Son of Sam case started.
00:16:23.000Now, one thing, too, I failed to mention when I was setting this whole program up today.
00:16:29.000The interesting thing is, and the relevance of what is going on today, and the focus, like I said, of the program is this.
00:16:38.000Karl Raschke, who wrote a book called Painted Black, I mentioned this yesterday on the program, I encouraged the listeners to get a copy of this, because this book basically kind of outlines, you know, our society today is living in fear over terrorism.
00:16:53.000And it is very interesting, because a lot of these groups that are involved in these horrendous crimes are involved in terrorism.
00:17:04.000And the thing is, is that there is a direct, there is a linkage, I should say, between terrorist activities and criminal cabals.
00:17:11.000And for example, one of the things I want to read here is a quote from Karl Rasky about Satanism itself.
00:17:17.000And this kind of is very, very self-explanatory about what we're going to be talking about today.
00:17:23.000His definition of Satanism, he says, is not a new religion.
00:17:26.000He says it is a sophisticated and highly effective motivational system for the spread of violence and cultural terrorism.
00:17:34.000Satanism today is not, if it has ever been, a rejection of middle class values and a somewhat ingenious expression of chronic adolescent alienation.
00:17:43.000It is the gestation of a permanent terrorist subculture in America.
00:17:51.000Well, Michael, that is the heart of the problem, right there.
00:17:58.000They have throughout these different cases, both in New York, California, with the Manson, and there are many cases that have never been revealed.
00:18:08.000And you'll find that if you follow this through, there are connections.
00:18:12.000Now, everybody, as soon as you say that, oh, here's another conspiracy nut, But if it's more than two people, it is a conspiracy.
00:18:20.000And it's not a card-carrying, membership-type thing.
00:18:23.000This is very loosely connected, and it works through common knowledge when you travel through
00:18:55.000You know, the thing is that we're going to be talking about again today, too, is the fact you just mentioned Charlie Manson.
00:19:01.000I think if you look back at some of this stuff, you'll begin to start seeing some common threads, and we're going to talk about that, not only with you, but also with Maury Terry today, what the common threads are between Charlie Manson, the son of Sam, and even the Atlanta child murders, the Jeffrey Dahmer himself.
00:19:20.000There are connections, and I think a lot of people do not even realize that.
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00:24:46.000Jim, let's start off by, you as a retired New York City Police Detective, you were involved in a lot of interesting things, and let's talk about the connections that you discovered in some of the cases that you investigated in New York.
00:25:01.000Well, let's start at the very beginning.
00:25:04.000One of the things that happened is, I arrested a man by the name of Ben Rose, a high profile guy in New York at the time, who the information originally came in He was using the name of Dr. Rockefeller and what they were doing were supplying kids to some of the very top people or affluent and influential people in the country and at the United Nations.
00:25:30.000So with that we started picking up the different information which led us eventually to what turned out to be the Son of Sam case but at the same time there's also where Ben Rose is suspected of being one of the Main people in the disappearance of Eaton Patz, a young boy who disappeared in New York and has never been solved, but the connections to some foreign elements are very strong there.
00:25:58.000The other thing that happened in the late middle 70s, I interviewed a high priestess who had been convicted in a narcotics investigation.
00:26:10.000Basically, that was done to discredit her.
00:26:13.000But she ended up giving us probably the biggest information into how this whole scenario worked, and how it is tied in with both our narcotics trafficking on the international level.
00:26:26.000So you can see, when you talk about terrorism, you tie that together, narcotics and everything, you have probably the greatest terrorist movement going.
00:26:34.000Forget about The Al Qaeda and all that stuff, this is even bigger than that.
00:26:41.000And it has been going on a lot longer.
00:26:43.000But after I debriefed her, we had actually found out how this thing works.
00:26:48.000And one of the other things that started this was when I first received the information in New York that led me to eventually what turned out to be the son of Sam, we started investigating at Untamaya Park.
00:27:02.000Uh, where we got reports of the, uh, sacrifice of German shepherds.
00:27:09.000And that's what started the whole investigation.
00:27:11.000It wasn't until I ran into Maury Terry and Maury started talking to David Berkowitz that we tied all of this together.
00:27:19.000Now, when you say that this woman was a high priestess, a high priestess of what?
00:27:23.000She was a high priestess in the occult.
00:27:27.000There are different factions, but they basically all operate the same.
00:27:30.000So she was like one of the head leaders?
00:27:32.000She was Cuban, and she had come out of Cuba.
00:27:35.000In fact, she had been Miss Cuba at one time, and then she fell into people in our intelligence community.
00:27:43.000And later she worked as a madam in New York and she was also involved in setting up the cocaine connections from on the East Coast to Columbia.
00:27:53.000Now when you say she was working for our agency, you're talking about the intelligence community, I mean?
00:28:02.000See, you have to remember that Some of these operations aren't really condoned by the CIA, but are offshoots of what I call the opportunity men, who use legitimate things to enhance their own pocketbook.
00:28:16.000Because money is a big motivator in this.
00:28:18.000So you could say that they're more like rogue agents?
00:28:22.000Yes, that's what I would call them, yes.
00:28:25.000As you remember in the Frank Olson case now, which is the MKUltra victim who allegedly committed suicide, and now they've actually opened up a murder investigation where it has been disclosed that at that time our intelligence community was running three warehouses in New York.
00:28:43.000And I actually had an informant out of that operation.
00:28:48.000Now, Frank Olson was one of, in the 50s I think, was supposedly jumped to his death He was with those guys from the CIA and they'd given him LSD?
00:28:57.000So you'll see how this stuff all crosses over.
00:29:00.000A lot of it is to control and to cause chaos in society.
00:29:10.000Okay, we got about 30 seconds before we go to break.
00:29:13.000Now, this woman that you're talking about, she opened up the door that ultimately led the New York Police Department into the Son of Sam investigation.
00:29:20.000And as you said, Yes, those were things that we had investigated.
00:29:23.000the book "Ultimate Evil" basically kind of helped put some pieces into place.
00:29:28.000Yes, those were things that we had investigated and like I said it started with the killing
00:29:34.000of dogs and I actually went to the site and later on about six years ago took Maury back
00:29:40.000to that location and showed him exactly where the whole thing had started.
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00:33:28.000Callers, hold on, we'll get to you in just a moment.
00:33:31.000First, before I get back to my guest, I want to mention to you again, it is very critical and vital that you get a copy of Alex's latest Video, Police State 3, Total Enslavement.
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00:35:03.000As I mentioned, the topic that we're going to be talking about today is something that is covered in Police State 3.
00:35:10.000Concerning, you know, what these guys are really up to.
00:35:13.000We're talking about the dynamics of it.
00:35:16.000And as I mentioned, there is a specific word that is applied or applicable to all of the things that are happening in our culture.
00:35:23.000uh... together with uh... the terrorist attacks uh... several of these uh... these notorious crimes that have come down the pike over the last thirty forty years uh... charlie manson was the first one uh... of note uh... of course uh... son of sam and there's been a litany of others including recently the washington dc sniper Which was another one of those weird deals that seems to have a deeper level at work in it.
00:35:51.000These are the kind of things that we've got to be aware of.
00:35:54.000These are the clubs that they're using to beat us into becoming a fearful population.
00:36:30.000I don't want to throw you guys off topic.
00:36:31.000I kind of wanted to make a comment on what you were talking about yesterday, Michael, but I mean, I don't want to take you guys too far off what you're talking about, because what you're talking about is really good and really important stuff.
00:36:41.000Well, my comment is, I think that yesterday, I listened to yesterday's show, and I think that you are kind of slanting the whole... I know you read an article about Quentin Tarantino, and how he is promoting his movie towards 12 years old.
00:36:54.000I read that article myself, and I have to disagree with you in the fact that, from what I can read out of it, it sounded like what he was saying was really tongue-in-cheek, and had a lot of sapphire to it.
00:37:05.000And I think that you guys are trying to spin it Or as, I mean, I don't think Quentin Tarantino is saying all 12-year-olds should see Kill Bill and, you know, participate in the violence and whatnot.
00:37:15.000I think that that was more of a tongue-in-cheek thing that he was saying.
00:37:18.000Well, I was going to say, Mike, you know, here's my take on all of this.
00:37:25.000You have filters that you have in place that you can, you know, you can filter a lot of stuff out and find out what's good and what's bad.
00:37:32.000And you may have control over, you know, how you might react to stuff like that.
00:37:37.000My whole contention with this is that this is just another of the many films that may have a satirical plot to it or whatever, and it may be, you know, might be something entertaining.
00:37:47.000But the problem is that at a deeper level, a lot of these movies that are coming out of Hollywood are geared to deconstruct our society, desensitize people to important things that make us human and good.
00:38:00.000And that's my take on it, and that's why I bring these kinds of things up, because children are watching this stuff, and they don't have the filters.
00:38:33.000I mean, the parents are ultimately responsible for what their children take in and what they're doing.
00:38:38.000But, you know, like everything else in our culture today, Everybody has been put so much to sleep that they don't even realize anymore the harm.
00:38:46.000They couch it in things like, you know, like it's a satire or this type of thing and parents would be inclined to maybe even rent the movie or let their kids watch it.
00:38:55.000You know, they don't manage these things and they don't realize how important it is to raise your children correctly and properly and to make sure that they're exposed to good things at that formative stage in their life.
00:39:10.000We've let the parenting become done by the TV and by mass media, not by the parents.
00:39:16.000And, you know, listening to this show, listening to Alex, you know that Hollywood has been tasked.
00:39:22.000I mean, look at what we've got in California now.
00:39:24.000We've got the guy that's done Terminator, and a lot of people look up to him, and I think that was part of his glitz and his success in becoming the governor.
00:39:33.000People look up to him as a fantasy role player, a character.
00:39:37.000And it makes him bigger than life and invincible and that type of thing.
00:40:03.000I mean, the media is the purveyor of that.
00:40:04.000That is what, you know, they used to say that reality dictates art.
00:40:09.000You know, you look at today, it's art or the media dictates reality.
00:40:15.000What I see in my advanced age is the fact that you see a lot of young people identifying with what the media says is right and good, but all it's doing is it's confusing them.
00:40:25.000You know, in a society where there are laws, you know, moral relativism does not work when you're facing a judge for murdering somebody.
00:40:34.000When you say, well, it was my right to murder this person, you know, for me it was right.
00:40:51.000And I got one more quick comment, Michael, and I'll let you get back to your great interview and the job you're doing.
00:40:56.000On the Terri Schiavo case, I live in Tampa, and I've been following this case ever since it first started happening.
00:41:03.000And I don't think that this has anything to do with a conspiracy on the part of the judges or a conspiracy on anybody's part.
00:41:12.000I think that this case really just boils down to the fact that Terri Schiavo, when she went into her current state, She, to her will, told her husband that she didn't want to be left in a vegetative state, and I think it's just really become more of a tug-and-pull between the parents and the husband, and I don't think it really has anything to do with being a conspiracy on the judge's part to rule her to have her tubes pulled.
00:41:35.000I think that it has become more of just a fight between the parents and the husband.
00:41:40.000It's really a shame that she's been caught up in the middle of all this, and it's gone on for this long.
00:41:44.000I agree that it's a shame that this whole thing is going on, but the thing is, is this.
00:41:49.000I'm not saying it was necessarily conspiracy with the judge.
00:41:52.000What I'm saying is that regardless, no one should have the right... I mean, who could prove that she said that to her husband?
00:41:58.000I don't believe that anyone should have the right to decide whether you live or die and you're incapacitated and you're unable to make that kind of choice.
00:42:07.000Number one, I think morally it's a wrong choice to make anyway for yourself to commit self-murder, but what I'm saying is I don't think that this should even be an issue when it comes to the dignity and the value of human life.
00:42:19.000They should not even be having this conversation.
00:42:21.000Well, where do we draw the line then as far as a person being in a vegetative state for the rest of their life?
00:43:07.000Yeah, thanks, Jens, and I'm guessing you're heading in the direction with Berkowitz and the method and the commonalities with Nansen, even.
00:43:16.000That'd be an offshoot of sort of a subrosa unrecurrent in Christian science.
00:43:22.000I didn't want to take away from that at all, which... And my question, if you don't think it has any real bearing, then please drop it and move on, but I was very much interested.
00:43:33.000I think it's a very important factor that needs to be developed, and that is With the sort of official ivory tower, therefore the control power, philosophical religious structure having degenerated into the logical outcome of the existentialism that it's impossible to know anything for certain.
00:43:58.000We're all agreed present, I presume, that there is no such thing as the unspiritual man, merely certain undeceived ones among the number.
00:44:07.000But, so you have this sort of schizophrenia between the official line, the party line, versus the reality, which is very much spiritual.
00:44:19.000And I'm wondering, and of course with that existential view, therefore, that opens the way to Machiavellian Well, see, part of this thing I think is about, we're going to touch on this today, we're going to look at the political, see, when you talk about the aesthetics of terror, we're talking about something that has been around a very long time, but it's a utilization of psychological manipulation and techniques to bring people under control.
00:44:51.000And this is something as old as mankind itself, and the thing is that what we're seeing today is we're seeing these techniques that are being used on mass society, and it has a political agenda.
00:45:06.000So that's what we're kind of going to be talking about later on as we go along, but thanks for the call, Roger, appreciate it.
00:45:12.000Jim, let's get back to this thing that you were doing in New York, because I want to get some more of the dots connected before we bring Noreen on, because I know that one of the things that you were really involved in in New York as a police detective was this thing about children.
00:45:26.000You know, you mentioned that children were missing and that they had been... Ben Rose.
00:45:51.000His father owned a pharmacy on First Avenue, right off from the United Nations, and it had a lot to do with the international trafficking, too.
00:46:06.000When you say trafficking in children, what kind of things are we talking about?
00:46:10.000Well, you're talking about where they were taking young children, usually just as they were reaching puberty, and were using them for sexual purposes.
00:46:19.000And an offshoot of all this, too, was where they used these kids to compromise people, which was a very big part of the operation.
00:47:18.000And I'm quite sure when Colby started going, getting a guilty conscience on this led to his demise.
00:47:25.000Yeah, Colby died mysteriously, and I think the camp even holds out to this day that he was murdered.
00:47:32.000Yes, because at one point I had an investigation where three little boys were murdered in New York on East 64th Street at Ben Rose's apartment.
00:47:41.000In fact, he's the one that alerted me to it.
00:47:45.000We actually served subpoenas on the people involved in it, and one of the people was in the intelligence community, and it was covered up under national security.
00:47:54.000So we know there were two 13-year-olds and a 14-year-old.
00:47:58.000They were murdered in a human compromise situation.
00:48:04.000They went too far and killed these kids, and we spent months looking for them up in Connecticut.
00:48:10.000And eventually when Roy Cohen, who you know was involved in the McCarthy hearings, at one time confided to me that he in fact knew about it and stated that one of his functions was that when these things happened to their people was to get them off, and the other part was to compromise people who they needed on their side.
00:48:29.000And when you say you're compromising, you're talking about politicians and people of influence.
00:48:44.000Real quick, before we take our break, you heard me talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger posing for nude photographs with the pervert Mapplethorpe.
00:48:52.000Well, Mapplethorpe, he showed up all over the place over the years.
00:48:56.000Yeah, who was, you know, from a police perspective, who was this creep?
00:49:00.000He was one of the first, oh, he came up many years ago already in some of the investigations that tied to the, well, the whole thing to do with the children using boys and girls and anything weird you could consider.
00:49:21.000What do you think about that thing about Arnold posing nude for him?
00:49:24.000Well, you know, I was just in California, just returned last night, and I just found it very interesting.
00:49:32.000The only good thing I can see out of the whole thing is that people finally realize they do have the power to bring somebody back if he isn't doing his job.
00:49:42.000The outcome I don't necessarily agree with, but People have to understand, they can make these public officials do what they're supposed to do.
00:49:51.000And they do it based upon some of the stuff that you discovered as a police officer.
00:49:58.000In fact, at one point in our investigation in the early seventies, Richard Nixon was the president at the time, and he was going to set up a big investigation into this and give us government financing, and lo and behold, he gets taken down.
00:50:15.000And I've often wondered, If that has something to do with it, because I have quite a bit of knowledge on how he was set up and what was behind it, which dovetails right back to the records or the books that were kept on the pedophiles' list that went with the prostitution ring.
00:50:34.000We've got to take a break, Jim, so hold on.
00:50:36.000And we're going to continue my interview with Jim Rothstein.
00:50:40.000And as you're hearing, these guys that are part of this New World Order thing, they all believe they're above the law.
00:50:47.000Jim has a story, you know, we talk about human compromise, where they quashed a subpoena for national security in the murder of three young innocent boys.
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00:54:23.000We continue, our number today is 1-800-259-9231.
00:54:30.000I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will return tomorrow to the program.
00:54:38.000I'm interviewing Jim Rothstein, who is a retired New York City police detective.
00:54:44.000Throughout the duration of the program today, I want you to keep in mind this small idea.
00:54:50.000Satanism is a sophisticated and highly effective motivational system For the spread of violence and cultural terrorism all the while, hiding behind the cloak of the First Amendment.
00:55:05.000It is an ideology that has found a strategic application in the criminal underworld, even if it was not invented there.
00:55:16.000And I want you to keep that in your mind throughout the program today, because there is strong connections between where we are today, where we have arrived at, Based upon certain events that have occurred in our culture, including the terrorist attacks themselves, that feed directly into this whole thing.
00:55:34.000Because what we are dealing with, when you hear the word terrorism, You've got to equate this with a criminal enterprise, a criminal cabal of people.
00:55:44.000Whether or not the mainstream media says Al-Qaeda is responsible, what you find when you start peeling back the layers of the onion, you find some very, very interesting political connections and money.
00:55:58.000You've got to keep in mind, too, that our president and his father raided savings and loans and other notorious scams.
00:56:07.000Billions of dollars were sucked out of our economy, out of the pockets of men and women in this country.
00:56:14.000And, you know, when you start looking at the dollars that we're talking about here, they add up to huge amounts of money, enough money to actually run maybe governments, You know, operating a shadow government, if you want to call it that.
00:57:15.000That's always been the biggest question I had.
00:57:18.000I never, and I've looked over the National Security Act for that, and nowhere have I ever found that killing children should be part of it.
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00:59:43.000Can we continue? Our number today is 1-800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231.
00:59:51.000I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who as you've heard, over the last couple of days, was covering this dog
00:59:56.000and pony show in California with the now Governor-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger.
01:00:02.000We will be getting an update from him today at some point during the program.
01:00:06.000And he will return tomorrow with the Alex Jones Show.
01:00:10.000And I have online with me today Jim Rothstein, retired New York City police detective, who was involved in some very high-profile cases.
01:00:17.000And we're going to be shortly joined by Noreen Ghosh, who is the mother of a boy that was 12 years old when he was kidnapped, taken from the family.
01:00:24.000Uh, and the story is just, it's just horrific, uh, what they did to this boy.
01:00:28.000And, uh, Noreen's life has been completely turned upside down, as Jim mentioned, uh, you know, early on about how anybody that gets into this kind of stuff and investigates it...
01:00:38.000It ends up having a lot of trouble, and you're going to hear her story.
01:00:42.000She wrote a book called Why Johnny Can't Come Home, and it's just a heart-rending story.
01:00:49.000Real quick, let's get to the phones and get some calls out of the way.
01:02:01.000Oh, man, it looks like some of the stuff they used to have on Night Gallery.
01:02:05.000Well, it's obvious that somebody who's done the things that he's done is probably tormented by what may be awaiting him when he passes away.
01:02:14.000I'd like to know how he contacted Hepatitis C in prison.
01:03:03.000The Carr brothers, which is actually, they're the sons of what is known as Sam Carr, who ended up being the guy that actually started, or was the mover of this whole thing, which led to the son of Sam.
01:03:18.000That's where the son of Sam comes from.
01:03:20.000And at the time we did, I don't know when he retired, but Mapplethorpe showed up across the board on a lot of these things tied to the West Village and some of the other operations.
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01:08:09.000Now, let's go back to Ron, our caller Ron from New York, and my guest, Jim Rothstein, before we go to our other guest, Noreen Ghosh.
01:08:23.000At the time, in the late 70s, when this occurred, the NYPD, my understanding, tried to speak with Mr. Mapplethorpe, who made himself scarce.
01:08:33.000I believe he may have left the state, is what was indicated.
01:08:37.000A funny part about that, and you know this is one of the things with Arnold Schwarzenegger, though I was never supportive of his candidacy, I find really troubling, his association with Mapplethorpe, or at least alleged association with him.
01:09:15.000And that the NYPD, for several years after the arrest of David Burke, with maybe up until about the early or middle 80s, was investigating leads here and there about the cultic or the conspiratorial aspects of the Son of Sam case.
01:09:31.000And a friend of his, Had gone to the Far West as part of this investigation.
01:09:37.000Now, this guy was very happy, quite satisfied with his career.
01:09:42.000Didn't really have a care in the world.
01:09:44.000Was a very good investigator, very good detective.
01:09:47.000He came back from the Far West frightened.
01:09:52.000All he had indicated, according to what my friend had said to me, was that he had encountered people of great status and influence as a result of this investigation.
01:10:02.000Wanted nothing more to do with it, and put in for early retirement.
01:10:08.000He said, you know, his friend never came by again to say hello or anything of that nature.
01:10:13.000This is kind of the thing that you run into with this kind of stuff, is that this apparently has connections at very, very high levels, and a person can find themselves very dead if they press too hard on it.
01:10:29.000Six years ago, I was brought back out to New York.
01:10:32.000To Yonkers Police Department where they had reopened the Son of Sam case.
01:10:37.000And as soon as I got out there and the former chief of detectives who handled the Berkowitz case notified the police department to pull their detective off because there was no way they wanted the Son of Sam case reopened.
01:10:52.000There was much more to the Son of Sam case than just the killings that took place.
01:11:00.000And what happened to that detective is quite common.
01:11:03.000I knew a number of guys that just flat out backed out of it and wouldn't go there.
01:11:08.000I think I was the only one and eventually they drummed me out of there.
01:11:11.000I was forced to retire in 1980 because of the investigations we were doing.
01:11:17.000One of my former partners, they in fact dropped a shrapnel bomb on his bed.
01:11:24.000So you can see there's a lot of heat on this and I think I know The detective, uh, what he was doing out on the West Coast, because this definitely ties straight across.
01:11:33.000It's the interstate 90, what we call the interstate 90-94 run, uh, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go anywhere else.
01:11:42.000But the amazing part about it is, as I said, yeah, he became so frightened.
01:11:45.000The guy went out there, you might describe him according, as I said, according to this, my professional associate, and he was my acquaintance and friend, too, this guy.
01:11:53.000His friend, who was a detective, went out there like daylight.
01:12:49.000So what happens, the social worker from that organization goes to the house, knocks on the door, gets no answer or cooperation.
01:12:56.000Um, they ask around with the neighbors.
01:12:59.000Now, I'm sure this was not the neighbor that launched the call.
01:13:01.000The neighbor ignorantly informed the people that some official from the Department of Social Services was knocking at your door.
01:13:09.000My friend, the Bureau of Child Welfare social worker, just a few days later, just a few days later, goes to his precinct, requests that the officers accompany her back to the house, and guess what?
01:13:24.000Not only are they gone, the house was bulldozed.
01:14:11.000She has spent her entire life from that point forward trying to get some answers and to get her son back.
01:14:17.000Her son, ironically, and surprisingly, is still alive as far as she knows, but he did show up on her doorstep many years later and he had quite a story to tell.
01:14:27.000The story now is contained in her book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home.
01:14:31.000We'll find out about how to get a copy of that book, but without further ado, Noreen, thank you for being on the program with us today.
01:14:37.000Well, thank you so much for having me on.
01:16:17.000And he told us how our family had been watched for some period of time and then they also came into our neighborhood A few weeks before the kidnapping and took photos of Johnny.
01:16:28.000So they knew exactly who they were coming after and they watched our movement.
01:16:33.000They knew what time he went on his paper route and things of that nature.
01:16:37.000Now this was in, was this in Des Moines, Iowa?
01:16:50.000Paul Benassi was one of the primary victims, and the one that John DeCamp worked with very closely, and we got a lot of information off of that.
01:17:01.000And the Johnny Gosch case definitely ties off all of these things.
01:17:06.000It's the same with many other cases around the country.
01:17:10.000And I'm quite familiar with Noreen's story.
01:17:12.000I've met and talked to Noreen a number of times, and this is one of the classic cases Why the police didn't investigate is the big question.
01:17:21.000I had personally spoke to the captain, or I guess he ended up being the captain, who basically told me there was nothing done.
01:17:47.000Well, it was a matter of frustration and urgency.
01:17:50.000I hired private investigators to begin a search of my own.
01:17:54.000And it was through that search that I was able to find out the majority of the information about what happened to Johnny, who was involved.
01:18:02.000And the information that came from Paul Benassi was extremely helpful.
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01:25:11.000What does he tell you about this stuff?
01:25:13.000Yes, Johnny did show up after seeing me on a national TV program, and while he was here, which was a very short time, he told me that he indeed was taken for exactly what Paul Benassi had told us.
01:25:27.000prostitution, pornography, that he had moved all around the country and that he had broken
01:25:33.000away from this group of people after he outlived his usefulness to them and that he and another
01:25:41.000couple of kids had been more or less on the run, hiding in various places, changed their
01:25:48.000identities, their looks, their appearance, everything just so they could survive and
01:25:54.000not be found again by the men who had taken them.
01:25:59.000I thought he was home to stay when he showed up at the door, and that was not the case.
01:26:05.000When I offered to call somebody for some help, he said, no, I can't stay.
01:26:16.000But I wanted to tell you what had taken place, and in his mind he thought that If I would just go to the police or the county attorney or whomever and tell them this, that they would begin to make arrests because he named some names too.
01:26:34.000Well that, he didn't realize that just by my going to tell them, that wasn't enough.
01:26:41.000He would have to be the one to go public.
01:26:45.000And he then left after a couple hours visit.
01:26:51.000Directly after that, about a week later, I was able to get the county attorney to meet with me.
01:26:57.000And I went in and I gave him all the information that Johnny gave me.
01:27:01.000But I told him that there was an informant that had come forward.
01:27:39.000And unfortunately, there was a reporter in the back of the room that was writing down everything that everybody said.
01:27:47.000Long story short, the story went nationwide and then there were a lot of people that said, oh well, he's not alive, she made it up, all that kind of crap.
01:27:59.000Johnny's life basically really is at stake as well as these other young kids.
01:28:22.000And for the people in the audience who do not believe what Noreen's saying, there were things that were told to her that I knew about long before Johnny came home.
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01:32:31.000And I continue, we continue I should say.
01:32:36.000I'm Michael Corbin, sitting in for Alex Jones, who will return tomorrow.
01:32:40.000And before we go back to my guests, Noreen Gosch and Jim Rothstein, I just want to mention to you folks that what you're hearing today is an extension of what Alex has been talking about and writing about and videotaping documentaries about for a very long time.
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01:36:18.000The word I ascribe to the topic today is the Aesthetics of Terror, and we're going to get to that in the next hour about the bigger picture and how this plugs into everything.
01:36:35.000here in Austin on Wednesday night and I have a website 9-11 exposed and I'm calling in because this topic I didn't think I'd ever get to this topic but you know I got involved at 9-11 and then as you know the rabbit hole goes much deeper.
01:36:49.000So I just published an essay called RC Tanaka President which is chock full of information and links Well, Eric, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
01:37:16.000I just want to bring up this topic because I heard on another show on Genesis, another caller called in and he was calling about the same topic, tilesecturing, and he brought up This FBI operation called Operation Brownstone, and when I did a cursory search through Google.com typing in Operation Brownstone, I came across a letter of links regarding this.
01:37:39.000I was wondering if we could shed some light and knowledge on that, and I also have that link posted on 9-11 exposed inside the article, Our Satanic President.
01:38:15.000My question is, the Lacey Peterson out in California, When they were talking about this could be satanically linked, oh, everybody jumped up and said, no, no, no.
01:38:24.000But from hearing and reading some of your stuff, and other people's stuff, it talks about that at that time of year, December 24th, around that, they get a pregnant woman, they take the child, and then later on, they talk about the child being sacrificed.
01:38:38.000Does either one of your people know about this?
01:39:12.000Noreen, do you have any comments on that?
01:39:13.000I know, did Johnny mention to you anything having to do with any kind of occult rituals or anything like that involving the group that he was involved in?
01:39:21.000I have not gotten any information directly that he was, although Paul Benassi did describe cult activities and satanic rituals that he was forced to attend.
01:39:34.000but he did not attend the same ones that Johnny might have.
01:39:39.000And then I just don't have information in that area. Now maybe Jim might have something.
01:39:43.000Well, I would like to bring up one thing, Noreen, and see if this is true in your case, which I believe it is.
01:39:50.000All the shows that you and I have done, together and separate, What amazes me, no politician on either the state or federal level or any law enforcement agent has ever called to find out more.
01:40:56.000None of those official people sitting there in that room ever contacted me again about anything in my testimony, which laid it out pretty well about what I suspect had happened to Johnny based on my private detective reports, and I documented everything.
01:41:15.000They just did the hearings, I think, as a feel-good kind of effort.
01:41:19.000Make the public think they're doing something.
01:41:21.000Sure, and that's why we need people like Maury and other people in the media to start pushing this thing and hope somebody has the guts to take it on.
01:41:34.000I think that a lot of people are easily compromised, don't you, Jim?
01:41:38.000Very easily compromised and scared of their careers.
01:41:41.000Yeah, for either something they've done in their life that they don't want to come out, or their careers, or maybe the safety of their own families.
01:41:52.000Let me ask you this, Jim, from a law enforcement perspective.
01:41:55.000Obviously, in Noreen's case, the satanic thing in Omaha, Nebraska, led to a very illustrious character who has been in the news other times, a retired lieutenant colonel from the Army.
01:42:20.000his name has come up repeatedly by been asking and other witnesses
01:42:25.000have indicated he was behind johnny kidnapping jim what can you add to that
01:42:31.000Yes, Aquino's name has come up many, many times over many investigations.
01:42:36.000There was a little book put out called The Masters of Persuasion, which he threatened that if this book came out he was going to sue, and so far he hasn't sued, and I hope he does because I would love to see what his response would be to the information that is out there about his connection to all of this.
01:42:54.000Now Aquino, as some people in the audience may know, I know this name has come up before on different programs.
01:43:00.000He was the lieutenant colonel from the army that was, he was I don't want to say he was not convicted.
01:43:07.000As a matter of fact, they dropped the charges, but his name came up in the investigation at the Presidio in San Francisco, in the daycare center there, the Presidio Daycare Center, where several children had alleged that they had been victimized and ritualized by Aquino and the director of the daycare center, Gary Hambright.
01:43:27.000And, of course, that whole thing was covered in what paper was it?
01:43:34.000That is an interesting story in and of itself.
01:43:36.000And, of course, there was actually allegations that came up from other military bases that he had been involved in, where the allegations were basically the same.
01:43:46.000And, you know, the thing is, we're talking about children here now.
01:43:49.000And, you know, some folks will recall the McMartin Daycare Center in Manhattan Beach, California, that also there was a big trial over that deal about the children claiming that they had been brutalized.
01:44:02.000From your perspective, Jim, again going back to some of the stuff that you've learned in your career as a law enforcement officer, what, you know, some people have called it Project Monarch.
01:44:12.000You may have a comment about this too, but some people call it Project Monarch.
01:44:15.000I know that nobody has ever been able to verify that that is the correct title of the operation that is alleged to be connected to the CIA, but one of the things that Project Monarch has dealt with as far as what we know about it Is that there may be some rogue element in the government or some outfit that is taking children at a very young age, ritually terrorizing them, and creating multiple personality disorder.
01:44:44.000I know this has a lot to play, or a big part to play in this, because Paul Benassi himself has been diagnosed with MPD, multiple personality disorder.
01:44:52.000Multiple personality disorder is a trauma-based conditioning.
01:44:57.000It is a psychological aberration or problem that comes up from ritually abusing children and it seems like this is kind of the method that they use.
01:45:08.000They get children at a very early age and they do this to them and they train them to become prostitutes, drug couriers, assassins even.
01:45:21.000I have never been able to prove it, but over the years, dealing with many of the victims, there is a loose-knit connection that I find where these people fall into this and are, I shouldn't say programmed, because it's not that definite an item, but influenced or motivated to follow that type of lifestyle, yes.
01:45:47.000I have never been able to verify that it officially exists.
01:45:51.000Noreen, did Johnny mention anything to you about anything like that that occurred to him, like any kind of brainwashing or mind control?
01:46:00.000And Paul Benassi claimed that they had areas in the Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska, where they did this.
01:46:11.000And then I did a radio program, and people who had worked at Offutt Air Force Base, And we're no longer there, called in, these were ex-military men, called in on the program and said that, yes, that was true.
01:46:26.000They were conducting those mind control experiments and they had classrooms full of children.
01:46:32.000And then they would take them to other army bases or air force bases for other types of training.
01:46:38.000And my question was, well, how did they bring you in without somebody asking questions?
01:46:43.000And they were brought in and they were meshed right with ROTC.
01:46:52.000And Paul Bonacci also told me that a lot of the kids that were taken, kidnapped for this purpose, some were trained on the military side and some were trained as prostitutes or the clergy.
01:47:11.000And he said there were two separate types of training.
01:47:14.000And he told me that he and Johnny were put into the military side and then I've seen diaries that Paul Benassi wrote and some of the pages were exact steps of how to build bombs and lots of other technical types of things that he would not have known otherwise.
01:48:34.000What about the Secret Society, the Illuminati, the Invisible Hand, which I've been aware of for years, but I'm now just beginning to find out about from Looks like a circle of intrigue, an order out of chaos.
01:49:10.000The invisible hand, the propaganda machine that runs Hollywood, the media, blah, blah, blah.
01:49:16.000I'm also getting the impression here that we've got CIA and military and Department of Defense involvement in this.
01:49:23.000And it makes me wonder about Matrix, DARPA, and Echelon, how much information they're gathering, and how they're going to use this to possibly blackmail officials and public officials, law enforcement, whoever, to do their bidding.
01:49:38.000It's about money and control, it's about influence and positioning people like pawns on a chessboard to ultimately bring us into tyranny, and that's where this is all going.
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01:55:01.000As a mother, and I know this has been extremely painful for you, but as a mother, what do you say to these people that were responsible for what they did to your son?
01:55:16.000I'm not a seeker of revenge, but I feel that justice needs to be served because these people will continue to hurt other children and ruin more and more families every chance they get.
01:55:30.000As long as there's supply and demand, there will be kidnappings of children.
01:55:36.000How does this change your outlook or viewpoint on what's going on?
01:55:40.000You know, like a civil authorities, law enforcement, and that type of thing.
01:55:43.000I've been very disappointed in the reaction of our law enforcement locally.
01:55:47.000I know they were bought, they were told not to investigate, and the former police chief died earlier this year.
01:55:54.000And I had hoped that once his death had taken place, That maybe it would loosen up some information, and that has not happened yet.
01:56:06.000We know the extent of the involvement there, and this has been a very long, hard road, and the one detective who was helpful to me on the department is in Iraq.
01:56:22.000He's with the National Guard, and he won't be back for some time.
01:56:25.000So my one ally I have there is not there right now.