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00:00:35.000 Alright, my friends.

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00:00:46.000 It's Tuesday, the 16th of December, 2003.

00:00:49.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:00:53.000 We're going to be live here.

00:00:55.000 The next three hours we will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that and take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it.

00:01:09.000 We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher, on in a few weeks.

00:01:15.000 We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation and of course mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana.

00:01:27.000 There's more government-sponsored terror news coming out with MI5 doing the bombings in England.

00:01:32.000 Looks like President Musarraf, the dictator of Pakistan, may have staged that bombing to make it look like he's under terror attack, just like our government does.

00:01:41.000 Congressman McDermott, who I don't agree with on many things, he's a big socialist, came out and said, looks like they already knew where Saddam was, may have even been holding him, and this was staged.

00:01:52.000 I mean, look, we have the Israeli websites saying it looks like he was a captive.

00:01:57.000 We have Congressman LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd telling the Associated Press and other newspapers that, oh yeah, we've got Saddam, we'll be bringing him out real soon. 1.00

00:02:09.000 We've got Tommy Franks in the Marshall Law article.

00:02:14.000 Uh, that was published in Cigar Aficionado, also saying that, uh, we'll be catching Saddam in the next few weeks.

00:02:20.000 So, interesting little leaks there, adding credibility to this.

00:02:24.000 But people howling and saying, how dare McDermott question this?

00:02:29.000 I mean, that's his right.

00:02:30.000 That's a good thing.

00:02:31.000 We need questions.

00:02:34.000 And look, I mean, Howard Dean, George W. Bush, it doesn't matter who wins the election, folks.

00:02:40.000 They're all globalists, the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT, it's all the same stuff, and a lot of people are acting like the Saddam capture is winning the Super Bowl, and boy, aren't we all big now, and meanwhile the dollar plunged more yesterday, and the trade deficit got bigger, and did you know they passed the Patriot Act, too, under a new name over the weekend?

00:03:05.000 Yeah, Bush signed it, and giving them almost unlimited powers on a whole new wide range of subjects, but that doesn't matter.

00:03:13.000 Hey, you know, that's what Saddam would do. 0.97

00:03:14.000 Saddam would have legislation like that, and after all, our government put Saddam into power and told him to attack Iran and did all that. 0.84

00:03:22.000 I hear the neocons talking about how evil he was attacking Iran all last night, all today, how evil Saddam is.

00:03:31.000 It is evil what he did. 0.98

00:03:33.000 He is evil.

00:03:34.000 But we cannot look at the geopolitical spectrum and not look at what our government has done.

00:03:38.000 It's out of control.

00:03:42.000 It's a joke.

00:03:42.000 It's a fraud.

00:03:44.000 So we're going to take your calls on this subject.

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00:09:36.000 But we were all busy running around celebrating the arrest, the supposed arrest of the former CIA asset and terror master, Mr. Hussein.

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00:10:02.000 washington congressman questions saddam timing this is out of the associated press

00:10:09.000 The Washington congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

00:10:19.000 Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State, told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S.

00:10:24.000 military could have found Saddam a long time ago if they wanted to.

00:10:29.000 Asked if he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush.

00:10:32.000 McDermott chuckled and said, yeah, oh yeah.

00:10:35.000 The Democrat congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing.

00:10:42.000 When interviewed by Dave Ross, asked again if he meant to imply that the Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons, McGermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was.

00:10:57.000 It was just a matter of time till they find him.

00:11:01.000 It's funny, McDermott added, when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something.

00:11:08.000 State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in crazy talk about the Iraq War.

00:11:15.000 Once again, McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible ranting.

00:11:20.000 GOP State Chairman Chris Vance said in a news release, calling him to apologize Okay, well let's talk about the facts.

00:11:28.000 I'm looking at the Associated Press and several other news reports.

00:11:30.000 Lahood, Hussein's capture imminent.

00:11:32.000 recently said he thought it was possible the president bush advanced knowledge nine eleven

00:11:36.000 the voters deserve to know if the entire democratic party believes in the sorts of better paranoid

00:11:42.000 conspiracy theories close quote okay well let's talk about the facts i'm looking at the

00:11:47.000 associated press and several other news reports low-level

00:11:51.000 hussein's capture imminent this is december second

00:11:55.000 that's this month folks about uh... twelve days ago thirteen days ago

00:11:59.000 Representative Ray LaHood held his thumb and forefinger slightly apart and said, we're this close to catching Saddam Hussein, or an inch away.

00:12:08.000 Once that's accomplished, Iraq resistance will fall apart, said the five-term Republican congressman from Peoria, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee.

00:12:16.000 A member of the Pentagraph editorial board, not really expecting an answer, asked LaHood for more details, saying, Do you know something we don't?

00:12:26.000 Yes, I do, replied LaHood.

00:12:29.000 LaHood spent an hour at the newspaper Monday discussing the war on terror, the 04 elections in central Illinois, regional economic development, and his less than enthusiastic appraisal of Governor Rod Blagojevich's performance.

00:12:44.000 A comment about the deposed Iraqi president came while LaHood discussed next year's elections.

00:12:50.000 And he again went on to say, uh, do you know something we don't?

00:12:53.000 Yes, I do.

00:12:55.000 Well, it looks like General Tommy Franks, the outgoing head of CENTCOM, who was interviewed in the December issue of Chigar Aficionado, we have the whole article transcribed.

00:13:03.000 It wasn't online, but now it is, on InfoWars.com.

00:13:08.000 And among the other little tidbits in there, not just martial law, the next step in our government, but he also said, oh, we're going to catch Saddam in the next few weeks. 0.88

00:13:18.000 They caught him in the next few weeks.

00:13:18.000 And guess what?

00:13:22.000 He said, we're going to catch him real soon.

00:13:25.000 And LaHood says he knew something that the media didn't know when talking to a Central Illinois newspaper and then, of course, picked up by the Associated Press 14 days ago. 0.93

00:13:39.000 But McDermott is a wild-eyed, crazy liberal, which I agree. 0.88

00:13:44.000 He's a socialist. 0.98

00:13:45.000 He wants our guns.

00:13:46.000 He's for more taxes and regulation.

00:13:48.000 Oh, he's just like George Bush.

00:13:49.000 So there's no real difference there, but we don't like him, but we love Bush because he has an R before his name.

00:13:56.000 But you have all these people bragging about how they were about to catch Saddam.

00:14:00.000 Other generals spouted off, and you have the Israeli publication that's been pretty accurate in the past, the Debka file, and they're saying it looks like he'd been beaten, looks like he'd been, you know, that he'd been drugged, looks like he was down in this hole for a long time.

00:14:17.000 By the way, it's being pointed out that Saddam's beard, and again, the average person can grow a beard that long in about a year or longer, but let's say Saddam grows a beard twice as fast.

00:14:29.000 know half an inch three-quarters of an inch uh... a month

00:14:32.000 he had a six inch beard folks he was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalist

00:14:37.000 took over iraq running around without a beard just with his mustache

00:14:41.000 so that's three and a half months uh... how did he grow that huge beard and why is the beard

00:14:46.000 gray right up

00:14:48.000 to his temples because folks i've seen a million beards so have you

00:14:52.000 If somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, and it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple, right up to the top of his head.

00:15:01.000 But his hair is black, with no gray in it, and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray.

00:15:09.000 Just instantly.

00:15:10.000 Reuters reported that he had had his fake beard ripped away by the troops and suddenly in the Associated Press it was, oh no, they shaved his beard off, he had a run-in with an army barber.

00:15:22.000 So we don't know what the truth is.

00:15:23.000 And I dug up some old news articles from earlier this year where they talked about his 10 body doubles.

00:15:29.000 Where's number 2?

00:15:30.000 Where's number 8?

00:15:31.000 Where's number 6?

00:15:32.000 Where's number 7?

00:15:33.000 Where's number 9?

00:15:35.000 They admit he has body doubles.

00:15:36.000 It's not like we're just on the air saying there's body doubles.

00:15:39.000 It could be a body double.

00:15:41.000 They've been on the record saying he's got body doubles.

00:15:43.000 Now this looks like the Saddam we've seen a lot in the past. 0.98

00:15:47.000 Some are pointing out this guy has light brown eyes.

00:15:50.000 We went and looked.

00:15:50.000 Saddam really does have dark black eyes.

00:15:53.000 It looks a lot like Saddam though. 0.91

00:15:55.000 Better than the guy with the glasses during the Shakinah bombardment. 0.94

00:16:01.000 So I don't know.

00:16:02.000 I just know we've been lied to about the Jessica Lynch rescue that was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.

00:16:07.000 I know we've been lied to about mobile weapons trucks.

00:16:09.000 We've been lied to about mass graves.

00:16:10.000 We've been lied to about weapons of mass destruction.

00:16:12.000 We've been lied to about Niger uranium transfers.

00:16:16.000 Turns out that was manufactured.

00:16:17.000 The Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops with false signatures in major newspapers.

00:16:23.000 We know they lie to us!

00:16:25.000 So we don't know what the truth is, but more is beginning to emerge.

00:16:30.000 But how can they criticize McDermott when he says, oh, well, we know that they knew where he was, when we've got LaHood, Ray LaHood, the Republican congressman, and we've got Tommy Franks, the head of CENTCOM, and all these people saying the same thing, basically, weeks before!

00:16:51.000 But we're a dumbed down population and listening to Neocon talk today before I went on the air, it was Saddam has mass graves.

00:17:00.000 Saddam had the mobile weapons trucks. 0.97

00:17:02.000 Saddam has the weapons of mass destruction. 1.00

00:17:04.000 He's a big murderer. 0.99

00:17:05.000 He did this to his own people. 1.00

00:17:06.000 He attacked Iran viciously. 0.62

00:17:09.000 And I'm going, wait a minute, they admit those mass graves, those boxes of sand and bones, were an exchange program with Iran.

00:17:15.000 That was admitted back in 92.

00:17:17.000 They knew right where that warehouse was.

00:17:18.000 They went there to go, oh look, mass graves, when they knew full well ten years before what it was. 1.00

00:17:25.000 We know that Saddam is a killer.

00:17:27.000 A CIA assassin in 1954. 0.94

00:17:31.000 By the late 60s, the head of Iraq security.

00:17:34.000 And of course, the coup in the late 70s.

00:17:35.000 I've been saying 78, it's 79 when he took over.

00:17:39.000 Then he followed orders and attacked Iran, was a big hero. 0.97

00:17:42.000 I remember sitting there in the kitchen, my mother had a little TV in the kitchen, she still has it, things lasted forever.

00:17:48.000 She's watching television, cutting up, uh, you know, I mean, I'd come back from soccer or football practice, she'd be in there cutting up carrots and stuff for dinner, and I remember hearing every day how Saddam was this great guy fighting the evil Iranians. 0.97

00:18:00.000 But not anymore! 0.98

00:18:01.000 The neocons say, vicious, evil, demonic, kill all these Iranians, blah blah blah. 1.00

00:18:07.000 It's amazing, folks. 0.97

00:18:09.000 The CIA helped train his Republican Guard, the School of America's helped train him in torture, And you notice our media one day saying how good torture is, and the next day, Saddam's evil, he tortures. 0.63

00:18:20.000 So I'm just saying it's hypocritical, it's a fraud, Saddam's nothing compared to China that Bush just cut Taiwan loose to them, changing our 50 plus year treaty. 0.85

00:18:30.000 Uh, nothing compared to Rumsfeld giving nuclear reactors to North Korea.

00:18:34.000 These are the real threats, folks.

00:18:36.000 But they tell us Russia and China are good now, and our little buddies, and Hussein's the new Hitler. 0.95

00:18:42.000 They keep comparing him to Hitler down in his bunker.

00:18:45.000 It's a fraud if you know the historical facts!

00:18:49.000 And Bill Clinton continued the bombing of Saddam.

00:18:52.000 The Democrats, if they were in power, would have done the same thing.

00:18:54.000 They're acting like they're against it now.

00:18:56.000 I mean, we can't make this a partisan issue.

00:18:58.000 It's an issue of right and wrong.

00:19:00.000 It's an issue of this being a fraud.

00:19:02.000 They can't sit there and say he's evil because he attacked Iran when he did it under U.S. 0.73

00:19:07.000 government control! 0.99

00:19:08.000 It is ridiculous! 1.00

00:19:12.000 And it just shows how dumbed down everybody's gotten. 0.99

00:19:15.000 Coming up, the real significance of Saddam's capture. 0.87

00:19:18.000 Saddam tried to negotiate with U.S.

00:19:19.000 captors.

00:19:20.000 Saddam drugged, says sister.

00:19:24.000 Also, we'll get into his roots being dark black, but everything else being gray.

00:19:28.000 It turns out Musharraf, fake bid of life, a fake bombing.

00:19:32.000 Times of London, again, government staging bombings.

00:19:35.000 It's being admitted all the time.

00:19:36.000 The Scotsman, Diana's death linked to MI6 plot.

00:19:41.000 Bush approval rating jumps 10 points.

00:19:43.000 U.S.

00:19:43.000 troops disperse pro-Saddam protest in Tikrit.

00:19:46.000 Americans snap up foreign goods, push deficit with China to record high.

00:19:52.000 Dollar drops again against the Euro.

00:19:56.000 GIs beat arrests, disperse pro-Saddam protesters.

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00:24:49.000 They passed Patriot Act 2 quietly this weekend.

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00:25:01.000 But that doesn't matter.

00:25:02.000 Not having freedom is what it's all about, right?

00:25:05.000 No matter if it's Bill Clinton or George Herbert Walker or George W. Bush, the same agenda is being forwarded.

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00:27:05.000 David in Missouri, you're on the air, welcome.

00:27:08.000 Hi, Alex.

00:27:09.000 Thanks for taking my call.

00:27:10.000 You bet.

00:27:12.000 I was going to give my thoughts on the economy and a certain aspect of it, and then I wanted to get your take on it.

00:27:20.000 Sure, go ahead.

00:27:21.000 My gut check has been telling me for months that basically the only thing holding up our dollar right now, and therefore any resemblance in the markets of any kind of a recovery, is the fact that election's coming up next November, and nobody wants to see the dollar Uh, tumble, which I think it'll inevitably do anyway.

00:27:41.000 Well, the dollar's already tumbled 35%.

00:27:43.000 Right.

00:27:46.000 And, uh, it went up about a cent on the weekend, and then by yesterday plunged to a record low against the, uh, against the, uh, euro.

00:27:55.000 But I'm talking about the descent into the, uh, global economy that I think they want to bring upon us by bringing America down.

00:28:01.000 Well, the trade deficit hit its all-time record.

00:28:03.000 People are snatching up every foreign good they can get, slitting their own throats.

00:28:09.000 My gut feeling is nothing real serious will happen.

00:28:14.000 And I know this is serious enough, what you're talking about.

00:28:17.000 Don't let me trivialize what's already happened.

00:28:19.000 But I think things to really be concerned about may not happen until after the election.

00:28:25.000 That's been my feeling, simply because politics is to not let the economy go too far to pot before a major election, because that gets votes.

00:28:33.000 Of course, if it's sustainable, so to speak.

00:28:36.000 I mean, I've got my gold and silver holdings, not as much as I'd like, and I'm about ready to pull out of my 401k at work next year, simply because I've heard some things that people like you and some of your guests have said about 401ks.

00:28:47.000 Well, the government has changed the rule where you don't own your pension fund.

00:28:50.000 It can be taken from you.

00:28:52.000 The question is, will they do that?

00:28:55.000 You see, why are they massing all these troops for martial law?

00:28:58.000 Because if they crash the economy, they can then have a terror attack and we'll forgive the government and get behind whatever they do.

00:29:06.000 That's the psychological tactic.

00:29:08.000 Whereas if they just crash the economy by itself, people will get mad at the government.

00:29:13.000 You notice the stock market started going down and a week later we had 9-11.

00:29:17.000 I've also noticed that the gold and silver markets tend to go up lately, whether the stock market news is good or bad.

00:29:23.000 And always in the past, the gold would go down with a high stock market.

00:29:27.000 This has never been seen in modern history to have gold exploding in price with the stock market going up.

00:29:33.000 But again, the dollar has been reduced in price.

00:29:37.000 And thanks for the call, David.

00:29:38.000 A good call.

00:29:40.000 The dollar has been reduced in price now by 35%.

00:29:42.000 The stock market goes up by 6%.

00:29:45.000 It takes more dollars to buy that same stock.

00:29:48.000 So the dollar's down by 30-plus percent.

00:29:51.000 The stock market's only up by 6%.

00:29:52.000 That's why gold's up.

00:29:55.000 You understand?

00:29:56.000 It's still, in real numbers, a massive drop in the stock market.

00:30:00.000 We'll be right back with more calls, more news.

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00:33:26.000 Well, while you were busy drooling and worshipping Bush, talking to the neocons out there and talking about how great he is, now this has been a great Super Bowl victory, arresting the supposed Saddam Hussein, this beaten and drugged out looking Saddam. 0.81

00:33:43.000 There's more and more questions of, is it Saddam?

00:33:46.000 We're going to go over that.

00:33:46.000 While that was happening, Bush was signing the Patriot Act, too, under a new name.

00:33:53.000 Isn't that nice?

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00:34:13.000 But I guess folks can't put two and two together.

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00:43:03.000 Cliff in Texas.

00:43:05.000 Cliff, you're on the air.

00:43:06.000 How you doing today, Alex?

00:43:06.000 Go ahead.

00:43:08.000 Good to talk to you.

00:43:08.000 Great, sir.

00:43:09.000 Hey, God bless you.

00:43:10.000 I met you in Houston the last time you was here.

00:43:13.000 Oh boy, that was a huge crowd.

00:43:15.000 How did it go this last time?

00:43:15.000 Yeah, it was.

00:43:16.000 Pretty good.

00:43:17.000 It was great.

00:43:18.000 We didn't turn away hundreds of people, but a lot of folks showed up.

00:43:20.000 That's good.

00:43:21.000 I went through with... I took my mom and, you know, she was always saying, well, the government can't do this, they can't do that.

00:43:29.000 After she saw 9-1-1, the road to tyranny, I never heard her say that again.

00:43:33.000 Made a believer out of her.

00:43:36.000 Well, absolutely.

00:43:37.000 What's on your mind today, Cliff?

00:43:38.000 Well, you know, I've just been kind of watching these little videos they have on the news channels of the buzz of the dime.

00:43:47.000 And I think, from looking at his mannerisms and this and that, I know that it might be him.

00:43:52.000 But I don't know if they just found him in the hole.

00:43:54.000 I think they've probably had him captive for a long time now.

00:43:58.000 Well, here's the problem.

00:44:00.000 Number one, they admit he had at least ten body doubles.

00:44:03.000 I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam, number eight Saddam, number seven Saddam, number ten Saddam, number three Saddam.

00:44:12.000 And so we say it looks like Saddam, that's because we've seen the doubles so many times, or is it really Saddam?

00:44:18.000 Right.

00:44:19.000 But then they point out that Saddam had dark black eyes.

00:44:24.000 This guy has light brown eyes.

00:44:27.000 He has light brown eyes, almost green eyes.

00:44:32.000 Okay.

00:44:33.000 Then on top of that, his beard goes up gray right to the temples and then suddenly turns black.

00:44:39.000 Now, has he been dyeing his hair?

00:44:41.000 Where are the roots?

00:44:42.000 There are no roots.

00:44:43.000 There's no gray hair.

00:44:44.000 And Reuters reported that it was a, quote, fake beard.

00:44:48.000 Then the government said, no, no, no, it was a real beard.

00:44:51.000 Then you mentioned had him in a hole for a while.

00:44:53.000 It's not just liberal McDermott saying this out in Washington State on the radio yesterday, the congressman.

00:44:59.000 We have Republican Representative Ray LaHood telling an Illinois newspaper and the Associated Press They said, do you know something we don't?

00:45:08.000 Yes, I do, replied LaHood.

00:45:11.000 We're this close, holding his fingers up an inch apart, to catching Saddam Hussein. 0.85

00:45:16.000 We have General Tommy Franks saying in a news article that's on my site that we're about to catch him in the next few weeks.

00:45:23.000 And then we have the Israeli intelligence people at the Debka file going, you know, it looks like he's been held captive, looks like he's been beaten, maybe drugged, down in this hole.

00:45:32.000 I mean, what do you think?

00:45:35.000 Well, every time the ratings drop, they pull an ace out of the hole.

00:45:40.000 And it's like you said in The Waking Life, it's all a big buffet of lies and I'm not eating it.

00:45:48.000 Well, thanks Alex, you're doing a great service to the country.

00:45:51.000 Hey, I appreciate you my friend.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, for those that don't know, I never tried to be in a Hollywood movie, but it was a Fox Searchlight production, and the director called me up.

00:46:02.000 Uh, Richard Linklater and he said, hey, you want to be in a movie?

00:46:05.000 And, uh, they say, according to, uh, the news article, whose article was it?

00:46:10.000 It was that, uh, Ebert guy.

00:46:13.000 That my scene at the film festivals would get standing ovations.

00:46:17.000 I know it did here in Austin when they showed it.

00:46:20.000 But that was a lot of fun being in that movie.

00:46:22.000 And yeah, it's my best rant ever in that film.

00:46:26.000 And it's got Ethan Hawke in it and a bunch of other people as well.

00:46:30.000 But I want to get off into discussions of movies.

00:46:32.000 Though every day I think about, man, all I do is radio interviews and make my own documentaries and do this radio show.

00:46:38.000 I need to go start casting for films.

00:46:40.000 I want to be in movies!

00:46:41.000 But you know what?

00:46:42.000 I never do it because I'm too busy fighting the New World Order, ladies and gentlemen.

00:46:48.000 And that's what's most important.

00:46:50.000 Let's talk to KC in Ohio.

00:46:53.000 KC, you're on the air.

00:46:55.000 Thanks for holding.

00:46:55.000 Go ahead.

00:46:56.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:46:57.000 God bless you.

00:46:58.000 I appreciate your call.

00:46:59.000 What's on your mind?

00:47:01.000 Well, I'd just like to caution everybody, first of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny.

00:47:08.000 And, you know, all these pictures of Saddam, To me, I think that none of them are him.

00:47:16.000 I mean, they're just playing a shell game with these photographs.

00:47:19.000 If you look at the ones that they just showed with the beard and the one without the beard next to him, it looks like that face was built around those eyes.

00:47:28.000 Like a double.

00:47:30.000 Well, let me say this.

00:47:32.000 There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him, we've done DNA testing, we've proven it, dental records.

00:47:40.000 Then it came out the government never said that, so Dan Rather was just making that up.

00:47:45.000 His lips were moving.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, his lips were moving.

00:47:48.000 And then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past.

00:47:51.000 The Jessica Lynch thing was, quote, a fable. 0.99

00:47:54.000 The fake letters from troops planted in hundreds of papers.

00:47:58.000 When we've caught him lying, and remember, you know, eight, nine years ago, I saw Forrest Gump accept an award from JFK.

00:48:06.000 Well, that's the main subject I wanted to talk about is how this changed the subject from who killed JFK.

00:48:12.000 They pulled an ace out of the hole just when they needed it.

00:48:16.000 You know, every time we start talking about George Bush Sr.

00:48:19.000 being in Dallas and all that, and the discussion... And every time we talk about Halliburton... Halliburton and all that, we get all these Distractions around this time of year.

00:48:31.000 And, you know, I'm thinking there's a joker in the hole somewhere here.

00:48:35.000 If we start talking about JFK again, maybe we can find those weapons of mass destruction.

00:48:40.000 Absolutely.

00:48:41.000 I appreciate the call, KC.

00:48:43.000 Good to hear from you.

00:48:44.000 We're about to go to Joe and John and David and others that are patiently holding.

00:48:47.000 Toll free number to join us, 800-259-9231 on this live Tuesday edition.

00:48:54.000 Listening to talk radio for a week, I've meant to talk about this and I haven't.

00:48:58.000 But let me give you a perfect example of propaganda mind control manipulation.

00:49:03.000 Are you ready?

00:49:04.000 This is one we can all understand.

00:49:05.000 It's right out in the open.

00:49:08.000 There's 1.2 trillion missing from the Pentagon over the last eight years.

00:49:12.000 That means Bill Clinton, George Bush, they're all involved in it.

00:49:15.000 1.2 trillion.

00:49:17.000 Nobody's being held accountable.

00:49:20.000 So they come out with all this news about Halliburton.

00:49:22.000 There are no bids allowed in tens and tens and tens and tens.

00:49:28.000 It's now like 76 billion dollars that Halliburton's been signed on to contracts alone.

00:49:33.000 You'll read one news article about 15 billion, one about 5 billion, one about 2 billion.

00:49:36.000 But those are all different contracts.

00:49:38.000 Together it's over 76 billion.

00:49:40.000 Last story I saw.

00:49:43.000 No bids allowed.

00:49:45.000 And so And that's for American companies.

00:49:48.000 Do you understand?

00:49:49.000 They do not allow bids.

00:49:52.000 Only Halliburton, Bechtel, and a few other companies, like Dyncor, are allowed to be given the contracts.

00:50:01.000 There's no bids.

00:50:02.000 They're just given them.

00:50:06.000 When this story gets really big and everybody hears about it, suddenly they have the neocons come out and go, how dare you?

00:50:13.000 We're not giving contracts to the evil French and the evil Germans. 1.00

00:50:17.000 They didn't help us.

00:50:18.000 Then the whole discussion becomes, yeah, we're not going to give bids to those foreigners. 0.89

00:50:22.000 Well, there's no bids, period.

00:50:26.000 But see, now when somebody hears about bid rigging and no bids, it's, well, we're not going to give them French. 0.95

00:50:32.000 We're not going to give them Germans. 1.00

00:50:35.000 We're not going to give American companies either.

00:50:36.000 No bids allowed.

00:50:38.000 And then suddenly there's no discussion of Halliburton being caught also overcharging.

00:50:46.000 So see how they do that?

00:50:46.000 See that fast when they pulled on you?

00:50:50.000 I called into a talk show and said, on my way back from Houston, I finally got on and I said, well yeah, you know, there's no bids allowed in this and Cheney's overcharging.

00:50:58.000 The host hangs up on me and goes, We're not about to give those French and Germans the contracts. 0.93

00:51:03.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:51:04.000 I wasn't talking about that!

00:51:06.000 I was talking about Halliburton overcharging and no bids being involved, period!

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00:54:46.000 He was going to join us yesterday but had an emergency with his inner city youth program he had to leave to go cover.

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00:56:55.000 Let's go to Joe in Boston.

00:56:57.000 Joe, thanks for holding her on the air.

00:56:58.000 Hey, Alex.

00:56:59.000 How you doing?

00:56:59.000 Yes, sir.

00:57:00.000 I love what you're doing, man.

00:57:01.000 Thank you.

00:57:02.000 What's on your mind?

00:57:04.000 Well, first of all, I just want to say I'm pretty intent on putting you... I'm a screenwriter, so I'm pretty intent on putting you in at least one of my movies when I get out there.

00:57:11.000 You do great work.

00:57:12.000 Wow, that sounds interesting.

00:57:14.000 You'd make an excellent character in any one of my... in a storyline.

00:57:18.000 But, what was I going to say?

00:57:20.000 Bush is calling for a public trial of Saddam Hussein.

00:57:22.000 Don't you think that would be the last thing he would want?

00:57:25.000 Considering all the fact that, you know, we hired the guy, armed him, and put him in power?

00:57:29.000 Well, if you torture somebody for just a couple weeks, you can make them say whatever you want.

00:57:34.000 Our best and strongest Marine Corps fighter pilots would cry like a baby and say that they were evil fascists after Viet Cong got done with them.

00:57:43.000 And so, uh, he'll say whatever they want.

00:57:46.000 Whoever this person is they've got, he'll say whatever they want.

00:57:49.000 Hmm.

00:57:50.000 I mean, they've got induction now directly to the brain.

00:57:52.000 They can put a wire right into your brain and make you feel pain untold.

00:57:57.000 And that's one of their ways of torturing people now, so, and not leave a mark on him.

00:58:00.000 So you think they'll just drug him up to the point where he'll be doped up throughout the whole trial?

00:58:04.000 Well, look at Muhammad, look at Malvo, look at McVeigh.

00:58:08.000 McVeigh openly had Jolion West, the admitted MKUltra doctor, as his federal doctor in federal holding.

00:58:15.000 I mean, again, you couldn't write a screenplay like this.

00:58:18.000 Nobody would believe it.

00:58:20.000 I got one called Execution Mania, and it's set about a couple years in the future where they pay-per-view public executions on TV, live from Guantanamo Bay.

00:58:28.000 Hey, sounds exciting!

00:58:31.000 I'll be sure to send you a copy.

00:58:33.000 Hey, I appreciate that.

00:58:33.000 What else is on your mind, Joe?

00:58:35.000 I was just wondering, do you know who had command control on the day of 9-11?

00:58:40.000 Yes, the quote, shadow government that Bush announced, Homeland Security that was already set up, through FEMA, and Northcom.

00:58:49.000 Yeah, because it looked like the day before Saddam was captured, everyone was talking about the fact that Flight 93 might have been shot down.

00:58:55.000 There's a lot of things that this smokescreens.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 Good to hear from you, Joe.

00:59:00.000 Great call.

00:59:01.000 We'll be back with a second hour.

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01:00:37.000 Thank you for joining us on the 16th of December, 2003 edition.

01:00:41.000 The websites are infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.

01:00:46.000 Coming up, we'll talk to John in Texas, David in Texas, Tom, Colorado, Kenneth, South Carolina, and many others.

01:00:51.000 We have Paul Joseph Watson, who I haven't had on in a couple weeks.

01:00:55.000 The webmaster and researcher at PrisonPlanet.com, my website, coming on to talk about his take on the whole Saddam Hussein situation.

01:01:02.000 We have Ronald Reagan, CIA advisor, joining us, Ray McGovern, in the third hour as well, and a bunch of your calls in this hour.

01:01:11.000 We have the Democrat congressman being attacked, Jim McDermott, who is a gun grabber who I don't like, but so is George Bush, I don't like him either.

01:01:21.000 And McDermott, though, did have questions about 9-11 that were reasonable and good.

01:01:26.000 And he now has questions saying, look, we all know that they knew where he was for the last few weeks or months.

01:01:34.000 This is staged.

01:01:36.000 And everybody goes, how dare you?

01:01:38.000 But in the December 2nd news articles out of Illinois and the Associated Press, Congressman Ray LaHood Uh, said that, uh, we're this close, an inch away from catching Saddam.

01:01:50.000 The reporter said, do you know something we don't?

01:01:52.000 Yes, I do, replied LaHood.

01:01:54.000 Uh, Tommy Franks, in this month's issue of, uh, Cigar Aficionado, came out two weeks ago, three weeks ago, uh, said, uh, that they were, quote, about to capture Saddam.

01:02:05.000 So, yeah, folks, they had him in that hole as a prisoner.

01:02:08.000 Probably Republican Guard paid off by Rummy, who admits he did pay off a bunch of Republican Guard.

01:02:13.000 Also now, questions are rising.

01:02:15.000 Is this a double?

01:02:16.000 There's some evidence showing that now.

01:02:18.000 Details of that coming up right now.

01:02:20.000 Let's go back to the calls.

01:02:22.000 Let's talk to John in Texas.

01:02:23.000 John, good to hear from you.

01:02:25.000 Hey, Alex.

01:02:25.000 How you doing?

01:02:26.000 Fantastic.

01:02:27.000 Good.

01:02:28.000 First of all, God bless you, man.

01:02:30.000 I listen to you all the time, and I print out stuff from various websites and yours, including yours in Prison Planet, and I hand it out to people when they don't need me, and they inevitably get really quiet.

01:02:43.000 Anyway, question.

01:02:45.000 Are you going to do an analysis of what Ron Paul is calling Patriot Act 2 that got passed a couple of days ago?

01:02:54.000 Yes, I'd love to be able to write an analysis of it, but Ron Paul's done that, and he says it's mostly what was in Patriot Act 2, which they were already implementing without passing the law, and this weekend Bush signed it.

01:03:05.000 Uh-huh.

01:03:06.000 And so, what a wonderful smoke screen, the capture of Saddam. 0.78

01:03:09.000 So, there's your neocons in action.

01:03:11.000 That's coming up in this hour, I promise.

01:03:14.000 Okay.

01:03:14.000 All right.

01:03:15.000 Wonderful.

01:03:15.000 Well, God bless you, man.

01:03:16.000 Take it easy.

01:03:17.000 Hey, thank you.

01:03:18.000 I appreciate the call, John.

01:03:20.000 David in Texas.

01:03:21.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:03:23.000 Yes, sir.

01:03:23.000 Thanks for taking my call today.

01:03:25.000 You bet.

01:03:26.000 I'd like to make a couple comments and then I'll hang up and listen to your comment.

01:03:33.000 Earlier you had a A gentleman, one of your callers, was saying, you guys were talking about the economy, and I'd like to just make a few comments about that.

01:03:42.000 I believe that, you know, the money that's in power likes to see it go up and down.

01:03:48.000 Well, yeah, that's how they consolidate.

01:03:50.000 We have the American Banking Association reports back a hundred years ago saying it.

01:03:55.000 My view is that, you know, when, in my industry, this stuff started, you know, four or five years ago, three or four years ago, They really tightened up, and the people that work in that industry have learned to do a lot more with less.

01:04:12.000 So because they're so poised to make so much in the manufacturing industry, and really poured on with the money, or to create money, essentially by having the workers just do twice or three times the amount of work that they used to before, that's in a sense creating money.

01:04:32.000 So I think the economy is fixing to go up, Of course, eventually it'll go down.

01:04:36.000 I also think that gold is going to go up because of this.

01:04:40.000 Gold has gone up.

01:04:43.000 I just also want to say thanks a lot for the free speech format that you have.

01:04:51.000 One of our local AM stations don't really allow this kind of free speech and, in a sense, screening the call.

01:04:58.000 So thanks a lot.

01:04:59.000 Hey, thank you.

01:05:00.000 I've got some comments on the economy when we get back.

01:05:00.000 I appreciate it.

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01:08:39.000 We're going to get his take on the Saddam situation and the latest developments on Princess Diana and MI6 murder.

01:08:47.000 This side of the Scotsman today, coming up here in just a few minutes.

01:08:51.000 The last caller talked about the economy and how the globalists like to constrict the economy and then like to build it back up, always getting us in more debt, always overextending us, consolidating.

01:09:01.000 And that is absolutely true.

01:09:03.000 They've got to have boom-bust cycles to consolidate power. 0.98

01:09:06.000 Now, a few months ago there was an article in the Austin American Statesman, derived out of Forbes Magazine, where they show that the Fortune 500 all got richer, And have big profits.

01:09:20.000 And how government grew at record levels.

01:09:22.000 So government grows at record levels.

01:09:24.000 The Fortune 500 grows at record levels.

01:09:26.000 But the small and medium-sized businesses, and medium goes up into hundreds of millions of dollars, folks.

01:09:33.000 That's a medium-sized business, a corporation.

01:09:36.000 Big corporations are in the hundreds of billions and leveraging trillions.

01:09:40.000 And they all got smaller, and bankruptcy and public and private debt got bigger, and foreclosures went to record levels we haven't seen since the Great Depression.

01:09:52.000 So you notice in a constricting economy, and I've looked back at this over time, whether it's the 70s or the 30s, the elite get richer during depressions and during recessions, and the government grows in size.

01:10:07.000 Because they're not free market.

01:10:09.000 And so they're laying everybody off, they're squeezing, they're doing all this and making record profits.

01:10:14.000 And by the way, the economy going down was just a smoke screen for the shift of even more jobs to India and China and even out of Mexico to India and China.

01:10:24.000 And now they're announcing record trade deficits, record plunge in the dollar.

01:10:29.000 It gets more and more serious by the millisecond and more on that coming up.

01:10:33.000 Also more on Bush signing Patriot Act 2 this weekend.

01:10:39.000 So I guess you can celebrate that we're becoming more like Saddam's Baghdad every day, Saddam's Iraq here in America. 0.95

01:10:47.000 But let me just state, I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein.

01:10:50.000 He's a bad guy.

01:10:51.000 But compared to China, compared to North Korea, compared to Russia, compared to a lot of our supposed buddies, He's nothing.

01:11:03.000 And he was put into power in 79.

01:11:05.000 He was made the head of Ba'ath security in 67.

01:11:08.000 In 54, he was a CIA assassin.

01:11:10.000 That's all on the record.

01:11:11.000 He was told to attack Iran.

01:11:13.000 He was funded by our government.

01:11:15.000 And that's on the record.

01:11:16.000 On the record.

01:11:18.000 But I hear neocons on TV and on the radio saying, oh, he's so evil he attacked Iran.

01:11:24.000 Oh, he's got mass graves.

01:11:25.000 Turns out those mass graves were fake, folks.

01:11:27.000 They knew about that site in 92.

01:11:29.000 It had been inspected.

01:11:31.000 Iran said, yeah, it's an exchange program of our dead and their dead. 0.90

01:11:34.000 That's why it was boxes of sand and bones.

01:11:38.000 Our government knew exactly what that site was, ran in there, the day they captured it, said, look, mass graves, mass graves.

01:11:44.000 The neocons, I heard three different shows today on the radio, all stating it.

01:11:49.000 They know it's a lie.

01:11:50.000 I even heard a show mention mobile weapons trucks.

01:11:53.000 They know, day one, that that had British serial numbers on it.

01:11:56.000 They knew it was for pumping up hydrogen blimps for surveillance from the trench warfare in the mid-80s with the Iranians. 0.63

01:12:04.000 They knew all of this!

01:12:06.000 They knew that they planted fake news articles, fake letters from the troops in the papers.

01:12:11.000 They knew about the Niger document, the fake uranium.

01:12:14.000 They're lying to you, so we can't trust what they're doing with Iraq and Saddam right now. 0.99

01:12:19.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:12:21.000 And people don't want to have a thought process here.

01:12:24.000 You don't want to have a memory, at least the neocons don't.

01:12:27.000 And you heard the caller earlier say local talk stations in Austin won't let you get on and talk about this.

01:12:32.000 They're screening calls.

01:12:33.000 We're not doing that.

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01:12:36.000 there, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.

01:12:43.000 So the average person listening to talk radio thinks everybody thinks this is just great

01:12:49.000 propaganda and, oh, we just won the Super Bowl and aren't we powerful? 0.98

01:12:53.000 We're part of kicking that bully's hind end. 0.94

01:12:55.000 When in truth, he's our bully, and the big bully's now taking him over. 0.72

01:13:01.000 Paul Watson, thank you for joining us, my friend.

01:13:04.000 There's a lot of different facets and angles on Saddam here.

01:13:09.000 As you said when I talked to you last time on the phone, more will emerge.

01:13:12.000 It has emerged.

01:13:14.000 They're batting just a perfect score right now for lying to us, staging events with Private Lynch, all of it.

01:13:21.000 Looks like something's going on here as well.

01:13:24.000 Paul, what's your take on the situation?

01:13:28.000 Well, first off Alex, I think a lot of people are being led up the Gordon Path on one issue and we need to amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction and there's a lot of disinformation on it already.

01:13:43.000 Yes, it is the real, in inverted commas, Saddam Hussein. 0.71

01:13:47.000 It's not a double.

01:13:49.000 I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the nose, compare the years, etc.

01:13:54.000 to the historical photographs.

01:13:54.000 etc.

01:13:57.000 But when you do compare them, it's the same man.

01:13:59.000 And some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when in fact If you have everything prepared beforehand, then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours.

01:14:09.000 All I said, Paul, was that we know he had at least 10 doubles, so it's okay to ask that question.

01:14:16.000 Yeah, and that's all we're doing at the moment.

01:14:18.000 As I said, expect something to come out of a major smoking gun in the next three weeks or so, which will confirm it either way.

01:14:26.000 The only thing that I can establish at the moment is the man shown in the footage is Saddam Hussein.

01:14:30.000 That's not to say that there aren't a plethora of other inconsistencies that we can go over.

01:14:36.000 At this point, we're not constructing elaborate theories.

01:14:40.000 We're just asking these questions.

01:14:43.000 This smoking gun, I believe, will come out in the next three weeks because they're so sloppy at covering these things up.

01:14:49.000 Something always leaks out, as it has done in the past.

01:14:53.000 No, it's just that the only thing that we can establish is the fact that it is Saddam Hussein in the video.

01:14:57.000 That's not to say that... Well, I said that it looks just like him.

01:15:00.000 The other doubles, the guy with the glasses on TV didn't look like him.

01:15:04.000 One of the big smoking guns isn't just...

01:15:07.000 Congresswoman McDermott saying, oh, we knew they already had him, or we knew they knew where he was, and this has been brought out politically because Bush has trouble.

01:15:16.000 It's not just a Democrat partisan.

01:15:18.000 We have Ray LaHood, the representative Republican from Illinois, Bloomington, Illinois, And he said two weeks ago today, out of several newspapers, that they said, do you know something we don't know about Saddam?

01:15:33.000 Yes, I do.

01:15:34.000 We are this close to capturing him.

01:15:36.000 We have Tommy Frank saying that in the interview.

01:15:39.000 How does that tie in?

01:15:40.000 Well, from the evidence we've got, I can go and stick my neck out and say that Saddam Hussein was not captured on a Saturday night, Sunday morning. 0.65

01:15:48.000 He'd been on ice, as it were, for at least weeks, maybe even months.

01:15:52.000 As you mentioned, ten days before the announcement, we've got Congressman LaHood in an interview with the local newspaper, the Pantagraph, saying that we're this close to catching him and saying that he knows something that everybody else doesn't.

01:16:07.000 And then today, we have the article out of the Associated Press where Jim McDonough says, quote, I don't know what, that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with the people all along who knew basically where he was.

01:16:22.000 And he also said that they could have captured him a long time ago.

01:16:25.000 So we have both Democrat and Republican, one before the event, saying the same thing, that the sudden discovery of Hussein was scripted and that in actual fact he's been safely tucked away for an undetermined amount of time.

01:16:37.000 But the media is going to make it a partisan issue now and ignore LaHood and ignore Tommy Franks.

01:16:42.000 But on top of that, we've got NBC's Meet the Press reporting that Cheney and CIA Director George Tenet were engaged in a secret meeting a few hours before the footage was shown.

01:16:53.000 Now, we know that Bush was told Saturday night, but the question is, why were Cheney and the CIA having a meeting hours before, and were they directing the subsequent news conference?

01:17:07.000 Well, that's what the interim head of the provisional government said yesterday.

01:17:12.000 in prison and that Saddam's resigned look was because he saw the U.S. more as rescuers

01:17:18.000 than enemies.

01:17:19.000 Well, that's what the interim head of the provisional government said yesterday.

01:17:24.000 Our own Minion said that.

01:17:25.000 Yeah, of course, if this is the case, then it has much less propaganda value if local

01:17:32.000 bounty hunters and criminals hand him over, rather than if the troops swoop in and arrest

01:17:37.000 And the whole Bremer, we got him speech would have had a lot less gusto.

01:17:42.000 But they don't seem to care.

01:17:44.000 I mean, they got caught staging the private Lynch deal.

01:17:46.000 They get caught staging this.

01:17:47.000 It's just no one's held accountable.

01:17:49.000 Yeah, and as in the case of Lynch, they're going to basically change the story to maximize Now, the Israelis are saying that, too, from the evidence.

01:17:58.000 the man whose palace floors were made out of giant underground shark tanks

01:18:03.000 would live in a six by eight hole is beyond belief furthermore i mean why would he hide in his hometown when

01:18:10.000 it's the first place that anyone would look

01:18:12.000 he wasn't hiding there he was being held there the question is by whom

01:18:16.000 now the israelis are saying that too from the evidence the debka file is saying that

01:18:20.000 yeah and the fact that time magazine were reporting details of what

01:18:24.000 uh... sat on with saying about six hours after his arrest was announced is

01:18:29.000 very suspicious and then suggest that we're being put in his mouth already

01:18:33.000 Likewise, today we have Fox News reporting that documents were also discovered which linked him with directing the bombings in Iraq.

01:18:41.000 So we have A man in a hole with no means of communication directing attacks every day.

01:18:46.000 Let's see, if somebody has common sense, it makes no sense, but again, people have lost their common sense.

01:18:52.000 Well, it's like claiming that Bin Laden was directing 9-1-1 from a hospital bed on kidney dialysis.

01:18:57.000 It's like claiming that 19 hijackers were preparing to direct 9-11 while getting drunk in a strip club the night before.

01:19:07.000 Some are raising the possibility that Saddam was captured on the first day of the war.

01:19:11.000 We all remember the so-called decapitation strike, which apparently Saddam avoided by minutes and then... Well, they claim they killed him three times.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, and then one of his dubious body doubles appears on TV three hours later.

01:19:24.000 So, there is a chance that he was captured, treated for injuries and held ever since the war actually started, which of course means the whole war was scripted too.

01:19:33.000 And they can torture the daylights out of him, roll him out before a trial, and he won't say a word.

01:19:38.000 And that would explain why he had a six-inch beard.

01:19:41.000 As you pointed out, Alex, a beard only grows three-quarters of an inch a month.

01:19:45.000 So the original report said it was a fake beard, but then that explanation mysteriously disappeared.

01:19:50.000 So again, it's an open-ended question.

01:19:53.000 Well, if it was a fake beard, it's Hollywood makeup artists.

01:19:57.000 Stay there, Paul Watson.

01:19:58.000 We're going to come back and take calls, get into Princess Diana and a bunch of government-sponsored terror news.

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01:24:03.000 It's your chance to talk about the Saddam capture situation, where the trial will be

01:24:24.000 held, the economy, Bush signing Patriot Act 2 over the weekend.

01:24:30.000 What's happening with the plunging dollar, the ballooning trade deficit?

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01:24:40.000 We're about to go to Tom and Kenneth and others.

01:24:45.000 Paul Watson, later before this hour ends, I want to get into the Patriot Act, too, being passed.

01:24:51.000 I want to get into Bush cutting loose Taiwan, which is, of course, a very conservative thing to do. 0.77

01:24:58.000 Big sarcastic folks.

01:24:59.000 I want to get into the latest evidence of the MI6 killing Diana, which we've covered here in the past, but more evidence now coming out mainstream news.

01:25:07.000 But on the Saddam situation, how hypocritical is it to have them attacking Congressman McDermott?

01:25:13.000 We're saying, oh, we all knew they already had him or knew who had him and we're going to roll him out soon.

01:25:18.000 When we have other congressmen who are Republicans saying, oh, yeah, you know, we're about to get him and you watch, we're about to have him.

01:25:26.000 I mean, this is a this is pretty obvious.

01:25:29.000 Well, on top of that, we've got another aspect, which is the possibility that this staged capture could have been part of the deal that was agreed back in April, where Saddam was flown out of Baghdad by the Russians after brokering a deal with the Americans.

01:25:44.000 condoleezza rises there on the ground making the deal which uh... russia got

01:25:48.000 five billion dollars for the trouble this is a report all across the middle east and uh...

01:25:52.000 pushed up in america and of course it was an american reporters interviewed the

01:25:56.000 republican guard people that supposedly did it

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01:26:29.000 Yes, I mean, the footage could have been filmed eight months ago, for all we know, as part of this agreement, and that ties into what we were discussing earlier about these congressmen saying that Saddam was captured before his capture was publicly announced, which would again explain why Saddam offered no resistance.

01:26:46.000 Then you have Saddam's sister coming out today and saying that he was drugged before the capture, which again suggests preordained Circumstances before.

01:26:55.000 Well, she says they quote have his entire family and they're going to be doling him out.

01:27:00.000 And when I looked at him, he did look drugged.

01:27:03.000 I mean, yeah, that's the first impression I got.

01:27:05.000 I mean, we've got this image created of this tyrant that would, you know, do anything to avoid being captured.

01:27:12.000 And then basically it's like a frightened puppy when we saw the footage.

01:27:16.000 Let's take some calls.

01:27:18.000 Let's talk to Tom in Colorado.

01:27:19.000 Tom, welcome, sir.

01:27:21.000 Thank you.

01:27:21.000 Good morning, gentlemen.

01:27:22.000 Alex, it's a pleasure.

01:27:24.000 Good to talk to you.

01:27:25.000 This is probably a little off-topic, but I've only been a short-time listener.

01:27:28.000 You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does... Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents.

01:27:42.000 They never ratified the 16th Amendment.

01:27:44.000 It's a private collection agency for the Federal Reserve.

01:27:47.000 Ron Paul has said that.

01:27:49.000 Yes, I've done about 100 shows on it.

01:27:51.000 And what about the fact that it may be tied to the fact that maybe we still are being ruled by Britain?

01:27:56.000 I wouldn't say maybe, I mean the same financial interests that own England own America.

01:28:03.000 And I know in the Painful Deceptions video, which I just watched on the website, there's a tie on there also to a Britain company who cleaned up the rubble at the Oklahoma Oklahoma City and World Trade Center, yeah.

01:28:18.000 A controlled demolition.

01:28:20.000 Paul, comments?

01:28:21.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's where the Federal Reserve came from, the Bank of England.

01:28:24.000 Any country that has a central bank has the same system of slavery, where money is not even, you know, tied to the government.

01:28:32.000 It's a private corporation, and that's why they have such a stranglehold over when to crash and when the bubble bursts, etc.

01:28:41.000 Does that answer your question, Tom?

01:28:43.000 It does, it does.

01:28:44.000 I appreciate it.

01:28:45.000 God bless you, Alex.

01:28:46.000 Thanks for the call.

01:28:47.000 Thanks for bringing this to the attention of everyone.

01:28:50.000 Kenneth in South Carolina, you're on the air.

01:28:50.000 You bet.

01:28:52.000 Go ahead.

01:28:53.000 Alex, I listen to you a great deal and I enjoy your broadcast, but the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%.

01:29:03.000 And the official figure, when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time, I read Investors Business Daily.

01:29:09.000 Those are the leading business newspapers.

01:29:12.000 They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%.

01:29:16.000 Okay, I said that they say unemployment is 6%.

01:29:20.000 That's right.

01:29:22.000 Okay, but they only count who is on the unemployment rolls.

01:29:26.000 When you go off the rolls, that's not put into the statistics.

01:29:30.000 Can you hold me over?

01:29:32.000 Sure, we'll talk about it on the other side.

01:29:34.000 But I said that.

01:29:35.000 I made that clear.

01:29:36.000 I mean, I'm not the only person saying this.

01:29:38.000 A lot of economists are saying it.

01:29:41.000 And it's much higher than double that because so many people have gone off the rolls and have gone out of the workforce.

01:29:50.000 So stay there.

01:29:51.000 We'll talk about it on the other side.

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01:33:18.000 The show's about fighting tyranny, defending liberty, getting our minds outside the political box, and singing the big picture.

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01:33:47.000 Nothing compared to the Chai Com premiered That was just here last week when Bush cut Taiwan loose and violated 50 plus years of treaty obligations and then called it the status quo. 0.75

01:34:00.000 Talk about a spin.

01:34:02.000 What do you think about all this?

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01:34:15.000 We were talking, myself and Paul Watson, we were talking to Kenneth in South Carolina

01:34:21.000 Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%, but that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that, because it's whoever's gone off the rolls.

01:34:34.000 That is how they calculated, and the numbers I've gotten are 15 to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at.

01:34:42.000 I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed.

01:34:46.000 A large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs.

01:34:50.000 And so, in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed.

01:34:55.000 Is that a middle-income neighborhood where you're living?

01:34:58.000 Yes.

01:34:59.000 Okay, let me just put one more question before... Well, no, I mean, I'm glad you're asking the question, but I know this.

01:35:04.000 Unemployment is well above what they're saying it is, but you go ahead.

01:35:08.000 Okay, I wanted to put... I used to work in the textile industry.

01:35:12.000 The textile plants were somewhere, if I wanted to go out, I could always get a job.

01:35:17.000 Because there were lots of them in this country.

01:35:19.000 Now we only make 20% of our textiles in this country.

01:35:22.000 Why do people like Rush Limbaugh, and he's echoing our government, they believe that these kinds of jobs are just expendable.

01:35:31.000 And in the next five years, the remaining 20% of the textile jobs, they're going to be leaving.

01:35:35.000 So why are these jobs just expendable?

01:35:41.000 Now, I thought you were disagreeing with me about the actual unemployment numbers.

01:35:46.000 No, I wasn't, but I wanted to ask you a second question.

01:35:49.000 Okay, well, your second question is, why are they expendable?

01:35:52.000 It's about getting rid of the middle class because you could be part of the lower 1.00

01:35:57.000 middle class and have a factory job, make 18 bucks an hour and put the kids through college

01:36:01.000 and go on a couple of vacations a year and drive a decent vehicle and have a hot tub in the

01:36:06.000 backyard.

01:36:07.000 Now you can't do that.

01:36:08.000 If you want to have all that and you've got to have two, three, four jobs, and why are

01:36:14.000 they expendable?

01:36:15.000 It's about bringing our economy down.

01:36:18.000 I've heard them brag that bringing the dollar down will, quote, make us stop consuming too

01:36:22.000 much.

01:36:23.000 It's about control.

01:36:24.000 And the high tech people who are making fun of the working class folks, the blue collar

01:36:28.000 folks, I remember them laughing five years ago when they were making so much money.

01:36:31.000 Well, they say the layoffs to India alone are going to get settled.

01:36:35.000 My last textile job I could make $12 an hour and I got health insurance.

01:36:37.000 The plant is gone.

01:36:38.000 It's down in Mexico.

01:36:39.000 four years and everybody I know, I mean everybody I know is training their end

01:36:44.000 end replacement whether it's Motorola or Dell or advanced micro devices right

01:36:49.000 here in Austin this is the death of our industry. Let me just finish with this

01:36:53.000 yeah go ahead. My last textile job I could make $12 an hour and I got health

01:36:57.000 insurance the plant is gone it's down in Mexico so I mean they're just we're

01:37:02.000 expendable that's my point.

01:37:05.000 I heartily agree with you.

01:37:06.000 Thanks for the call.

01:37:07.000 Paul Watson, what's it like over in England right now with the NAFTA and GATT type stuff?

01:37:12.000 Well, it's joyous.

01:37:14.000 We've got the news article today.

01:37:16.000 IBM shipped out another 4,000 jobs to India and China.

01:37:19.000 We have the big bank in this country, HSBC, doing the same thing.

01:37:23.000 And it's not about helping the third world.

01:37:26.000 it's about bringing us down to a third world level.

01:37:29.000 Regard to the first point, the unemployment figures, the unemployment rate has been low

01:37:34.000 only because of government programs like social security disability,

01:37:38.000 which have effectively been buying people off the unemployment rolls and reclassifying them

01:37:43.000 as not in the labor force.

01:37:45.000 So in other words, governments mean cooking the books, similar to what Reagan did when people serving

01:37:51.000 in the military were reclassified from not in the labor force to employed

01:37:55.000 in order to reduce the unemployment rate.

01:37:58.000 So it's just a different spin on that kind of manipulation.

01:38:01.000 Well, they don't count people who are off the rolls.

01:38:05.000 I mean, they keep you on the roll six months, nine months, and then you're off the rolls.

01:38:12.000 And it's amazing.

01:38:14.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Dennis, in Kansas City.

01:38:20.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

01:38:21.000 Yes, I've met you before.

01:38:22.000 You know, you're right on about the glorification of the police state and all that.

01:38:27.000 What you probably hadn't noticed, if you noticed, I saw on C-SPAN, that Congress is trying to change the rules for overtime pay.

01:38:36.000 And especially in my line of work, like a union pipe fitter, I have to travel all over the country.

01:38:41.000 I depend on that overtime pay to pay for my expenses.

01:38:45.000 And by doing this, this is real sly and under the table, and this would not only affect me, it would affect policemen, firemen, all kinds of people, is that you would literally shut the country down or at least come to a crawl because nobody It would destroy all the incentive for working overtime.

01:39:05.000 Oh, you're right.

01:39:06.000 You're right.

01:39:06.000 But also look at the states.

01:39:08.000 The states are giving more and more federal orders.

01:39:11.000 If they want their little bit of federal money, they've got to spend three times that in their own money.

01:39:15.000 But the whole system's set up to run off that federal money.

01:39:18.000 So the states are all going bankrupt, and the feds come in with their answer.

01:39:22.000 The national ID card, a national sales tax through it, a satellite tracker taxation box in the car.

01:39:28.000 They're proposing this quietly now.

01:39:30.000 to the state so they're setting up a climate to bring you into control

01:39:35.000 then they're gonna have things like they had under roosevelt where you go to the

01:39:38.000 government job building a private structure uh... public housing dams roads

01:39:44.000 this is what this is the plan this is the homeland security model it

01:39:48.000 it won't work alex because people like me uh... with

01:39:52.000 my uh...

01:39:53.000 skill and level will tell me you know where they can uh...

01:39:57.000 you know what i'm I'm sorry.

01:39:59.000 Yes.

01:40:00.000 And I mean, I've never seen anything.

01:40:03.000 So, I mean, I see what you're seeing now, because it's just like when I watch on TV.

01:40:08.000 I mean, you can actually see it unfolding and just these things that nobody catches, just like this, that they're secretly trying to do under the table.

01:40:18.000 And there's other things as well.

01:40:21.000 So far, Congress has put a stop to it, but Bush, the Bush administration, despite the majority of Congress saying no.

01:40:29.000 Look at what Bush did with Steele.

01:40:30.000 Thanks for the call.

01:40:32.000 And I understand your concern.

01:40:32.000 Thank you.

01:40:34.000 Look what he did with Steele.

01:40:35.000 Look what he did with... Thank you.

01:40:38.000 Look at what he did with the Taiwan situation.

01:40:43.000 Paul Watson comments on Taiwan.

01:40:45.000 Well, with regard to the previous point, if you remember we had the article, they already announced that they're going to have Homeland Security armed guards in businesses, so people are basically going to be working at gunpoint.

01:40:57.000 I mean, with the Taiwan situation, I mean, The arming of China only got worse after Clinton left office, and that was reported by Insight Magazine, and so obviously, I mean, we've heard about seven articles about how Bush is basically following all the goals of the Communist Manifesto, the biggest expansion of federal government.

01:41:17.000 And on top of this, Rumsfeld's arming North Korea with nuclear reactors, but Saddam, he's the big threat. 0.96

01:41:24.000 anyone would expect him to uh... disassociate himself with them taiwan

01:41:29.000 and support the uh... predatory

01:41:31.000 dictatorship of china and on top of this rumsfeld's arming north korea with

01:41:37.000 nuclear reactors but saddam he's the big threat

01:41:41.000 and then you're not patriotic any point this is just a big joke

01:41:44.000 talk about uh... death camps i mean it's admitted that north korea's got two

01:41:48.000 hundred thousand political dissidents in gulags where and baby to deliver didn't damp to death by the gods there

01:41:55.000 and that's all i've made it in north korea quite proud of that in the fight

01:41:59.000 with the stopped a million of that

01:42:01.000 they stopped that population to build a million men army near

01:42:04.000 there's no invasion of north korea And

01:42:08.000 And they're building them up to nuclear stalemate, and now they've got the Taepong Dong too, can hit any part of the U.S. 0.96

01:42:14.000 But the neocons won't talk about this.

01:42:16.000 They talk about the liberals all day and how Bush is fighting the liberals.

01:42:20.000 Bush is bringing in the whole agenda!

01:42:24.000 I mean, no one can look at this and not say that that's not the case.

01:42:28.000 We're going to go to more calls here in a moment.

01:42:31.000 We're all of those out there patiently holding, but Patriot Act 2, is what Ron Paul's billing it, with a new name, was signed by Bush on Saturday, but nobody's talking about that because they're talking about the Saddam diversion. 0.61

01:42:45.000 Let's discuss it.

01:42:47.000 Well, yeah.

01:42:48.000 I mean, in this bill, Bush has basically reauthorized total information awareness.

01:42:53.000 We got the Associated Press reporting that it authorizes agencies to continue research on computerized terrorism surveillance suspended... Without warrants!

01:43:04.000 Yeah, so they're obviously talking about total information awareness.

01:43:08.000 Ron Paul stated that it appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.

01:43:16.000 Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret, and that's exactly what they do.

01:43:25.000 They take it one bite at a time.

01:43:27.000 With this Saddam thing going on, it's just a big fat distraction both for this Patriot 2 And the Ellen Mariani case, you'll notice whenever 9-1-1 gets hot again, they come out with a big fat distraction to divert everyone's attention. 0.97

01:43:40.000 So that's what we've got with Patriot Act 2 also.

01:43:44.000 And the dollar was at $1.2287.

01:43:47.000 That was the big rebound, was by about half a cent Sunday in off-trading.

01:43:53.000 Now it went down again to a new record level of well past $1.23.

01:44:00.000 And this is very, very serious.

01:44:05.000 We've got ex-Pentagon official sentenced in fraud case.

01:44:07.000 We've got all this happening, but that doesn't seem to matter, you know, because we've had a big victory, haven't we?

01:44:15.000 Yeah, I mean, that was the thing that, oh, the dollar's going to rebound now in the back of this brilliant news, and, you know, it basically didn't happen, and it's gone down again today, I believe.

01:44:24.000 So, yeah, it's just Amazing the fact that they say that this is all going to happen, and it's just, yeah, it's a big distraction in the main.

01:44:32.000 And you're a liberal if you're against the Patriot Act.

01:44:36.000 That's the spin that we continue to hear, that you're just a vicious, evil liberal if you're not for all of this.

01:44:47.000 So, what do we do, Paul?

01:44:49.000 I mean, how do we educate people on these facts?

01:44:52.000 Well, the thing about the Patriot Act is the people that are trying to repeal parts of it are mainly Republicans anyway, and yet they pay no attention to that particularly.

01:45:00.000 You know, people like Ron Paul.

01:45:01.000 So, I mean, that is a major issue to outline the fact that it's not a left-right issue on anything.

01:45:08.000 We've got people on both sides of the political equation speaking out on this.

01:45:12.000 We've got groups like Eagle Forum joining up with the ACLU, so... While Saddam was captured, stealth enactment of the Patriot Act II legislation While CNN and other media outlets are rejoicing because of the capture of Saddam Hussein, Bush again introduced new legislation last Saturday, which increased the federal powers to investigate and reduce the privacy rights of American citizens, H.R.

01:45:35.000 2417, Intelligence Authorization Agreement of 04, and there's the White House statement posted on PrisonPlanet.com, Bush signed it Saturday.

01:45:43.000 Comments of Ron Paul, congressman for Texas, on HR 2417.

01:45:47.000 It appears we're witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.

01:45:55.000 Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led his supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret.

01:46:02.000 Whatever the case, this outrageous and unacceptable, I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of federal powers.

01:46:13.000 Now, here's the AP article from Saturday.

01:46:15.000 Bush signs bill extending FBI powers.

01:46:18.000 President Bush has signed legislation making it easier for FBI agents investigating terrorism to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses.

01:46:27.000 Every business, folks.

01:46:28.000 No warrant.

01:46:30.000 We're included in a bill of authorization of intelligence programs.

01:46:35.000 Most of the details of the bill are secret, including the total cost of the program, which are established at about $40 billion.

01:46:40.000 That would be slightly more than Bush had requested.

01:46:43.000 Bush signed the bill Saturday at the White House announced, and it goes on to say it allows the FBI and other U.S.

01:46:50.000 authorities conducting intelligence work can demand financial records without seeking court approval.

01:46:57.000 Did you hear that, folks?

01:47:00.000 And there's Ron Paul.

01:47:01.000 Let's shift gears into Princess Diana, then into Massaraf and the fake bombing activities.

01:47:06.000 The Scotsman reports Diana's death linked to MI6 plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfayad.

01:47:15.000 The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip the public imagination.

01:47:20.000 This just came out with some new developments.

01:47:22.000 What's going on, Paul?

01:47:24.000 Well yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car, was an MI6 informant and that's what previous MI6 agents have come out and said and now that's been confirmed by this.

01:47:38.000 And they turned the cameras off in the tunnel and she had said they're going to kill me in a fake car accident and all of this.

01:47:45.000 Yeah and that's all come out as well and the fact that They used the blinding flash of light and some other high-tech jiggery-pokery to cause the driver to swerve, which again is how they formulated the plan to kill Slobodan Milosevic.

01:48:02.000 And now we know that MI5 and MI6 more has come out about them carrying out terror bombings in England as well.

01:48:11.000 That's just calmly announced in your news.

01:48:14.000 How are people responding to that, or is there no buzz on the street?

01:48:18.000 There's no buzz whatsoever, because it's always buried on page 28 or whatever, but I mean, that's the thing.

01:48:25.000 We had yet more evidence come out.

01:48:27.000 Not only did they carry out, you know, one of the biggest bombings in Ireland, which was the Omore bombing, and they had an MI5 agent cooking the bomb, and with the bomber at the time, when the bombing was being carried out, they surveilled the car from its origin right to the destination of the bombing.

01:48:44.000 Now we've got another report about how uh... british intelligence helped the paramilitaries

01:48:50.000 bomb dublin and monaghan back in uh... seventy four

01:48:54.000 so again i mean we've got a giant archive on that not only uh... mi-five

01:48:59.000 helping uh... the i.r.a. but also mi-six protecting all these top

01:49:03.000 al-qaeda lieutenants like also the the the

01:49:09.000 limousine, a car she was in, had it was stolen, had its computer taken out, put

01:49:09.000 Yes.

01:49:14.000 back in, brought back to them cleaned, a stolen car brought back cleaned and then

01:49:19.000 it veers off into the pylon. There's just so much. Also admitted was the fact that

01:49:26.000 both the NSA and MI5 had Diana under surveillance at the time of the crash

01:49:32.000 which they somewhat admitted to but now that's being confirmed as well.

01:49:36.000 And they sat there for an hour before taking her to the hospital.

01:49:39.000 Also out of the Times of London, Musarraf fake bid on life.

01:49:43.000 Islamabad contrary to claims made by Pakistan President Musarraf that a bomb blast at a

01:49:48.000 bridge near a city was directed specifically at him.

01:49:52.000 Highly placed sources here say that he may have engineered the incident to retain Washington's

01:49:56.000 support as a key ally in the war against terror to strengthen his hold on power, the source

01:50:01.000 of the condition of anonymity.

01:50:02.000 He further went on to say that it was ironical that no one has yet claimed responsibility

01:50:07.000 for the blast.

01:50:08.000 It is also inexplicable that the incumbent establishment was continuing to maintain a

01:50:13.000 stoic silence about who may have been behind the so-called assassination bid.

01:50:18.000 Well, yeah, I mean, Musharraf has been caught not only faking attempts on his own life, but faking terrorist attacks.

01:50:25.000 They had an attack which was carried out by a man named Gun Rusman Gwannon, which happened a few months ago.

01:50:31.000 We had the article.

01:50:33.000 He was blamed for the bombing in Pakistan.

01:50:35.000 It later turned out that he'd actually been arrested months earlier.

01:50:39.000 So, I mean... And in the Philippines, they've gone public with the government's blowing stuff up there to keep, quote, martial law going.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, Michael Mearing, the CIA agent, did a really bad job and basically they had to sequest him away to a hospital because he was supposed to blow up an apartment and failed.

01:50:58.000 Stay there, my friend.

01:50:59.000 We'll be back with calls right after this quick break and more news.

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01:56:41.000 People are very open-minded to this right now.

01:56:44.000 They've already picked up on some of the lies themselves.

01:56:46.000 Let's talk to Allie in Oklahoma. 0.98

01:56:48.000 Allie, thanks for holding her on the air with Alex Jones and our guest, Paul Watson.

01:56:52.000 Hi.

01:56:55.000 One of your listeners a while ago seemed to think he would be able to just thumb his nose at the boss when he called overtime.

01:57:01.000 Well, I've got news for him.

01:57:05.000 The big corporations and the government doesn't really care how skilled or how efficient you are.

01:57:11.000 You're expendable.

01:57:13.000 And cost efficiency is not necessarily an object because generally the owners of these big corporations are spending are the same people who make money from printing more money.

01:57:25.000 Well that's it, the globalists print the money, they run the drugs, they run the prostitutes,

01:57:29.000 it's all about control.

01:57:30.000 Money is a tool of control.

01:57:32.000 Paul Watson comments to the wisdom of Ali.

01:57:36.000 Well yeah, I mean the fact is that the jobs are not only being shipped to India, they're

01:57:41.000 bringing Indians into the country to work the jobs for lower wages. 1.00

01:57:45.000 I mean, we've got the so-called Skilled Worker Program in this country, which does exactly that, making more of us unemployed.

01:57:52.000 And as you were saying earlier, Alex, I mean, even people you know are being asked to train these Indians to take over their own jobs where they get a temporary contract just to do that, and then they're booted out of the company.

01:58:04.000 Yeah, I know people who've been at companies 20 years, And so they've gotten up in this, you know, seniority.

01:58:09.000 They got an engineering degree.

01:58:11.000 They're making $75,000 a year, working their tails off.

01:58:14.000 They've been making $200,000 ten years ago.

01:58:16.000 And they tell them, uh, we're going to cut your pay in half.

01:58:18.000 We can let you go right now.

01:58:19.000 We want you to train this in-dem for three months, then you're fired.

01:58:23.000 You want it, or do you want to be out of here?

01:58:25.000 And they'll make this overtime mandatory, like the post office already does. 0.55

01:58:29.000 And you'll work overtime or you'll hit the road.

01:58:32.000 Well, Allie, shame on you. 1.00

01:58:33.000 You're talking about really important issues instead of Saddam.

01:58:37.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:58:38.000 Anything else you want to add?

01:58:39.000 This is using subterfuge to require longer work week and... Tell you what, stay there, Allie. 0.59

01:58:45.000 I'll let you finish up.

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02:00:19.000 Alright, folks!

02:00:22.000 Welcome back.

02:00:24.000 Monday through Friday from 11 to 2 Central, back from 9 to midnight, we're here live.

02:00:28.000 We've been talking a lot about the economy, which is just terrible, the listeners.

02:00:32.000 They care about a ballooning trade deficit, a plunging dollar, the expansion of NAFTA and GATT in the free trade area of the Americas.

02:00:41.000 Why, they said the troops in Iraq are getting a bonus.

02:00:44.000 They'll be kept warm by the capture of Saddam as their wives go on food stamps and CPS takes their children. 0.73

02:00:51.000 And how dare you say it's bad for Bush to hand Taiwan over to China, which is basically what he's done by arming them, not arming Taiwan, and breaking our 50-plus year treaty with them.

02:01:00.000 You're a communist if you're against communist China.

02:01:03.000 You're a communist if you're for the Second Amendment.

02:01:05.000 You're a liberal if you're for controlling our borders.

02:01:08.000 That's the new neocon paradigm.

02:01:10.000 And people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, though a lot of folks are starting to wake up.

02:01:14.000 But why are they destroying the middle class?

02:01:16.000 Why are they driving down the wages of doctors? 0.99

02:01:19.000 Why are they driving down the pay by two-thirds for engineers shipping the jobs to India?

02:01:27.000 It's about getting rid of the middle class, getting rid of any group that can challenge the elite. 1.00

02:01:31.000 They want you on welfare, in the psychiatric system, or in the criminal justice system.

02:01:36.000 It's about control.

02:01:38.000 Allie in Oklahoma, finish up your comments and then we'll go on to other calls.

02:01:42.000 Well, really, I'll You know, you must not watch enough TV.

02:01:57.000 You're concerned about the economy shutting down and the police state and the Federal Reserve.

02:02:03.000 Don't you care about Saddam?

02:02:05.000 How about you just be homeless?

02:02:06.000 You can still worship Bush.

02:02:10.000 I suppose that's what they'd like to see us do.

02:02:12.000 As a matter of fact, you may be required to for very long.

02:02:15.000 If you don't worship him, you're for Al-Qaeda. 0.90

02:02:18.000 Thanks for the call.

02:02:20.000 Watson, comments on that?

02:02:22.000 Well, all it is, is this false capitalist system that China came out and publicly announced, oh, we're now capitalists. 0.51

02:02:29.000 It's low wages, long hours, working at gunpoint.

02:02:32.000 That's their definition of free market capitalism.

02:02:35.000 Three years ago, Jiang Zemin said at the 50th anniversary of Mao, three years ago, and in Tiananmen Square, he said, capitalism is the ultimate form of communism.

02:02:48.000 Well, that's their capitalism, where it's a police state.

02:02:51.000 You're absolutely right.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, it's government tied in with corporations, which goes back to the very definition of fascism.

02:02:59.000 So, you travel so far around the political spectrum, and you arrive at the same place, whether you want to call it communism or fascism.

02:03:06.000 Well, it's the same thing with Russia.

02:03:07.000 You've got six strongmen running the country, still the same secret police, still the gulags, but our media just doesn't talk about it.

02:03:14.000 Remember two years ago, and every year, Russia buys more slaves from North Korea? 0.72

02:03:22.000 Publicly, just buys trainloads, 30,000 at a pop, for the slave camps.

02:03:27.000 And the Russian guards wouldn't shoot them when they'd escape, so that's how it went public, all these people starving to death in forest labor camps, Paul.

02:03:36.000 And then they call Russia a democracy because they have elections, the recent elections in Russia, before which there was a nice, convenient terrorist attack, of course.

02:03:47.000 And the elections themselves were rife with ballot stuffing and all this sort of thing.

02:03:51.000 The media was only towing the party line of the party that Putin wanted to win.

02:03:57.000 But they're capitalists now, and they've put the red stars, he's so good, back on the tanks.

02:04:04.000 Yeah, I mean, I still get emails from people who think that Putin's some kind of, you know, fighting the New World Order by calling for a different New World Order.

02:04:13.000 It's like the difference between vanilla ice cream and strawberry ice cream.

02:04:18.000 It's still the same ice cream.

02:04:20.000 It's the New World Order.

02:04:21.000 Whether it's led by China or Russia or whoever, it's all about world government.

02:04:26.000 Exactly.

02:04:27.000 We're going to come back and go to Babs and Gary and Charles and Ken and others.

02:04:30.000 Toll-free number to join us on air in this third hour, 1-800-259-9231.

02:04:33.000 We're going to talk more about Patriot Act II that Bush signed over the weekend.

02:04:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:41.000 And we're going to get into what's going on at the Pentagon and Halliburton and how they've twisted that.

02:04:49.000 It's all coming up.

02:04:51.000 Again, we're pro-gun, pro-family, pro-Jesus Christ.

02:04:54.000 That means we're communist, according to Rush Limbaugh.

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02:08:20.000 In the last week, it has been confirmed Dozens of times, but confirmed yet again that the British are carrying out almost all terror bombings in London, in Ireland, over the last 20 plus years.

02:08:34.000 In some cases, last 30 years.

02:08:37.000 Since 1976.

02:08:39.000 It has been confirmed that in the Philippines, the U.S.

02:08:41.000 government and the CIA are carrying out the bombings to quote, keep martial law going in the nation.

02:08:47.000 It's being confirmed that Musarraf over in Pakistan blows stuff up, has fake assassination attempts on himself as a pretext to crack down on the population.

02:08:57.000 It's being confirmed that MI5 and MI6 were involved in other bombings, and MI6 involved in the killing of Princess Diana.

02:09:04.000 This is mainstream stuff!

02:09:06.000 It's admitted that Porton Down Bioweapons Lab released foot and mouth four years ago.

02:09:11.000 It's confirmed that our government has attacked our own troops to blame it on foreign enemies.

02:09:16.000 And we covered that in my documentary films.

02:09:18.000 We covered that here on the air.

02:09:20.000 This is so important.

02:09:22.000 And we've been lied to on a hundred fronts concerning Iraq. 0.66

02:09:27.000 Saddam Hussein is a horrible thug, but when the media says, he's so evil, Saddam attacked Iran, which I know you've all heard, our government funded and ordered him to do it. 0.82

02:09:37.000 We put him in. 0.98

02:09:39.000 I hear him on the news going, he beat his way to power, a ruthless dictator.

02:09:43.000 Yes, we put him in, but people don't have memories.

02:09:46.000 So yes, he's bad.

02:09:48.000 What does that mean about our policies?

02:09:50.000 It's incredible.

02:09:50.000 Paul Watson, does that annoy you when you see him do that?

02:09:54.000 Yeah, I mean, in order out of chaos, I've got a whole chapter on how Saddam Hussein was put into power by the US, given all the biologicals. 0.90

02:10:02.000 I mean, this is out of Republican Senate reports, and I mean, I've got a quote here out of the London Times.

02:10:08.000 donald rumsfeld the u s defense secretary one of those strident critics

02:10:12.000 of saddam hussein met the iraqi president in nineteen eighty three and

02:10:15.000 it's almost twenty years ago to the day to ease the way for u s companies to sell baghdad

02:10:20.000 biological and chemical weapons including anthrax and bubonic play according to

02:10:24.000 newly classified declassified u s government documents

02:10:28.000 i mean we had colin powell basically running the uh... iraqi battlefield intelligence gassing

02:10:34.000 the iranian troops and i mean this is all come out and official government

02:10:38.000 documents and yet i mean that the only have a c i a they're telling them

02:10:42.000 when patterns satellite photos and because of that he didn't kill all those children are

02:10:48.000 cards We've got the guy who was in the White House when it happened, Ray McGovern, coming on.

02:10:53.000 That was Iranian blowback, just like the Germans had in World War I, of their own cyanide Soviet gas they were given.

02:11:00.000 This is admitted!

02:11:00.000 That's why you notice now when they talk about the trial, it's been alleged he nerve-gassed them.

02:11:05.000 Now notice it's been alleged, Paul.

02:11:08.000 Yeah, I mean that article came out end of last year where it was in the New York Times where the CIA agent who was on the ground at the time said that he didn't gas the Kurds.

02:11:18.000 It was blowback and the Iranians were involved in it as well.

02:11:22.000 Well, they tested the blood.

02:11:23.000 The Iranians used cyanide gas. 0.95

02:11:26.000 Saddam was using sarin and VX.

02:11:29.000 So it's real simple.

02:11:31.000 But the point is we're not defending Saddam. 0.53

02:11:33.000 I mean, I've heard them on the radio, Paul.

02:11:35.000 I don't know what it's like in England, but on the radio here, they go, this savage demon seized power bloodily in 1979.

02:11:42.000 He wickedly attacked Iran, who was defenseless for no reason.

02:11:48.000 He evilly did this and that.

02:11:51.000 When our government the whole time was ordering him, running him, it's admitted!

02:11:56.000 I just, how do they get away with this? 0.96

02:11:58.000 I'll tell you, people are so ignorant, they don't know what the First Amendment is, they don't know where Iraq is, they don't know how many continents there are, they don't have any history, do they? 0.97

02:12:08.000 Well no, but they know how to buy an uncoolter action figure. 0.98

02:12:13.000 Fact is with Iraq, I mean, yeah, that's the outpouring that I've seen. 1.00

02:12:16.000 Complete government worship.

02:12:18.000 And it goes back to Orwell's 1984 where we forget who we were at war with.

02:12:23.000 We're now at war with someone else and just forget about the previous war against Iran when we were supporting Iraq.

02:12:31.000 The same process, and I mean they'll use it again when Saddam spills the beans on Syria after being tortured, which is what Harat's newspaper reported, that he's going to implicate Syria with weapons of mass destruction, and then we'll go in and take out Syria as well. 0.71

02:12:46.000 Then they'll grab Assad and he'll say it's Iran's now got him, and then Iran will say, oh no, Libya's got him, and then it's just a domino effect. 0.70

02:12:55.000 And then Iran will say, oh yeah, we got ours from North Korea, and then they'll go into North Korea. 0.95

02:13:01.000 The same process again and again.

02:13:03.000 And they've got the nice new national draft, and when we're attacking North Korea and losing hundreds of thousands of troops with the new national draft, there'll be no discussion of Rumsfeld selling them the nuclear reactors.

02:13:14.000 No, and that was reported by Reuters, and in fact that's still going on.

02:13:18.000 They recently put another reactor back online, and it turns out that this is one of the reactors that Rumsfeld sold them back in.

02:13:26.000 uh... ninety-eight so that's already going ahead as well as north korea

02:13:31.000 some experts say they've got hundreds of nukes and i mean they've at least got

02:13:34.000 you know six to eight at the moment and this is i mean we've got an

02:13:37.000 entire archive on that where

02:13:39.000 rumsfeld is uh... at the meetings with kato giving them the reactors giving them

02:13:44.000 uh... hundreds of millions of dollars to build them yeah he was on the board of a b b let's uh...

02:13:51.000 let's go to or about to go to uh... badminton gary and charles and canada

02:13:56.000 real quick malta in denmark

02:13:58.000 We get calls from Canada and Denmark and Germany and Australia.

02:14:02.000 Malta, go ahead, you're on the air, from Denmark.

02:14:06.000 I just want to say, you're talking too much about this corruption and about your government.

02:14:11.000 It's not your government, it's not my government.

02:14:14.000 It's the Bloodline's government. 0.81

02:14:17.000 They decide what's to happen.

02:14:20.000 Only them.

02:14:21.000 We don't have any influence of that.

02:14:25.000 I think they only do something we like if they think they're in trouble and they have to do something.

02:14:37.000 Well that's it and there is a top globalist banking families and royal families And they manipulate the phony left-right spectrum, they get us through the dirty work in Iraq, they make the UN look like the good cop is against the war, and then energize the leftward-leaning world government, and then bypass any discussion of, we don't want a world government, now it's, what type of world government will it be?

02:14:59.000 The Globalists even write white papers up about how to present the world government with this bipolar left-right situation, when it really is a unipolar, one-pole, Paul Watson comments on what our caller from Denmark is saying.

02:15:16.000 When you go up to people and say that the U.S.

02:15:19.000 government carried out 9-1-1, sometimes they say, oh yeah, I agree that U.S. 0.93

02:15:24.000 foreign policy is partly responsible.

02:15:26.000 We're not talking about U.S. 0.96

02:15:27.000 foreign policy because we report on the international forums that not only U.S.

02:15:32.000 but worldwide leaders have.

02:15:34.000 Bilderberg, Royal Institute of International Affairs, Hi Alex, there are a couple of things.

02:15:38.000 etc. etc. So it's not an American conspiracy, it's not a Jewish conspiracy, it's just a

02:15:44.000 worldwide agenda which has these different heads coordinating the same policies at the

02:15:49.000 same time, like the National ID Card, etc. etc.

02:15:53.000 Absolutely. Moulta, thanks for the call. Let's talk to Babs in Texas, a little closer to

02:15:58.000 home. Babs, you're on the air.

02:15:59.000 Hi, Alex.

02:16:00.000 Yes.

02:16:01.000 I just have a couple of things. I would like to have a definition and also of MI5 and MI6.

02:16:09.000 I don't know what that stands for.

02:16:11.000 Okay. MI5 is the internal British Secret Police. MI6 is external. MI5 is like their FBI. MI6

02:16:19.000 is like their CIA. But Paul's over there and written a book about MI5 and MI6, Order Out

02:16:23.000 of Chaos. And Paul, would you like to elaborate?

02:16:26.000 Well, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

02:16:28.000 MI5 looks for subversives within the UK and MI6 looks for subversives in foreign countries

02:16:36.000 and it stands for Military Intelligence 5, Military Intelligence 6, which is devolved

02:16:41.000 from an older organisation, which is why they split up into those two factions.

02:16:48.000 Yes, I think so.

02:16:51.000 Now, would you tell me what you said a while ago?

02:16:53.000 You were talking about Russian slave guards?

02:16:55.000 What was that word?

02:16:56.000 Okay, I've got BBC, I've got Scotsman, I've got AP, I've got Reuters, but Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it.

02:17:04.000 Our good little reform buddies, Putin, for three years in a row, it happens each year, Uh, North Korea owes 4.3 billion dollars last time I checked.

02:17:20.000 I'm having to access that mental file, folks.

02:17:22.000 A little bit of hesitation there.

02:17:24.000 And to pay down the interest on their debt, they transfer 30-plus thousand slaves, political

02:17:30.000 dissidents, via the Trans-Siberian Railway to mines and timber programs in areas all

02:17:38.000 over Russia.

02:17:39.000 And it's come out because a lot of these North Koreans escape because the Russian guards

02:17:44.000 refuse to shoot them.

02:17:45.000 They interview local Russians about how sad it is that they're starving to death.

02:17:49.000 They work them to death.

02:17:50.000 Putin has had a press conference three years ago, is what really made news, thanking Kim

02:17:55.000 Jong-il, who visited Russia, for paying the debt with 30,000 slaves. 0.87

02:17:59.000 So it's right out in the open, Paul Watson.

02:18:02.000 I remember the actual article was out of the London Times.

02:18:05.000 I think it was July 2001.

02:18:07.000 So if you just go on to the London Times website, then I'm sure you'll find it.

02:18:13.000 I don't know the exact date, but it was July 2001.

02:18:15.000 He had a press conference and thanked them for the slaves.

02:18:19.000 Oh, how horrible. 0.74

02:18:19.000 They sit up on podiums, thank people for slaves, and then we all sit here and talk about how evil Saddam is. 0.74

02:18:25.000 It's a disgusting joke. 0.95

02:18:28.000 Alex, my family, all of them, don't believe what I'm saying.

02:18:33.000 I have known about the One World Order since 1965 when I lived in California.

02:18:39.000 I learned at that time that Prescott Bush said it was going to take about... He said in 1933 that it would take about 65 years to get the One World Order in place for a takeover.

02:18:53.000 Now, I want to know where I can find that in writing so that my child will believe it.

02:18:58.000 Well, I'm not an encyclopedia.

02:19:00.000 I know Prescott Bush.

02:19:03.000 You do a pretty good job, Alex.

02:19:05.000 Well, thank you, Babs.

02:19:06.000 Let me answer your question.

02:19:07.000 We're going to let you go.

02:19:09.000 Prescott Bush, Skull & Bones member, Bohemian Grove member.

02:19:13.000 The Nazi money went into his coffers right up until 53.

02:19:15.000 That's mainstream news, just came out last month.

02:19:18.000 He has been a supporter of world government.

02:19:21.000 The particular quote you're talking about, I don't have in front of me.

02:19:23.000 Paul?

02:19:24.000 No, I don't have it either, but I mean, his son said the same thing in 1991, calling for a new world order.

02:19:31.000 N92, N90, and...

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02:24:21.000 Paul Watson.

02:24:23.000 Some more big 9-11 news broke and it's been overshadowed by the Saddam diversion. 0.91

02:24:27.000 Comments on that?

02:24:29.000 Yeah, well we had an article from North Jersey Media Group which talks about how the Air National 177th Fighter Unit based at Atlantic City International Airport had two F-16s stationed eight minutes away from the World Trade Center.

02:24:46.000 And what happened is that a few weeks before the attack, they had their mission changed from being a scramble-ready squadron to protect American airspace.

02:24:57.000 How y'all doing?

02:24:58.000 Good.

02:24:58.000 flights in Iraq and Afghanistan, just by coincidence.

02:25:03.000 On the morning of 9-11, they were decommissioned.

02:25:05.000 They were practicing bombing runs to target foreign countries, rather than being ready 0.92

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02:25:12.000 And all the others got ordered to stand down, too.

02:25:15.000 Let's talk to Gary in Tennessee.

02:25:17.000 Gary, thanks for holding her on the air.

02:25:18.000 How are you all doing?

02:25:20.000 Good.

02:25:21.000 Good.

02:25:22.000 Well, I had a theory about Zom. 1.00

02:25:26.000 Okay, they said, he said, don't shoot Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq.

02:25:36.000 Okay, to me, it really looked like him.

02:25:40.000 I may be wrong, but okay, say it was one of his body doubles that's in there.

02:25:47.000 Would he be so brainwashed that he would...

02:25:50.000 Well, we're not saying it's a body double.

02:25:52.000 We're saying he'd already been captured and that's what a lot of members of Congress... What I'm saying is, if it was me, I'd be saying, hey, don't shoot. 0.52

02:26:00.000 I'm one of these body devils.

02:26:02.000 You know, you got the wrong guy.

02:26:05.000 You got the wrong guy.

02:26:06.000 Absolutely, Gary.

02:26:07.000 Thanks for the call.

02:26:08.000 Paul?

02:26:10.000 I mean, we've already gone over the fact that we don't think it's a body double.

02:26:10.000 Well, yeah.

02:26:14.000 But, I mean, the fallout from this is, I mean, will he blow the whistle on his former business partners at the trail?

02:26:20.000 I mean, you've got Milosevic in his trail almost every other day thing.

02:26:25.000 Oh, I'm being tortured to confess.

02:26:26.000 You know, it's all about a new world order.

02:26:28.000 They're putting me on trail.

02:26:30.000 So, if Saddam comes out with those sort of comments, then you can expect the media to hush them up immediately, and that's what... Yeah, you don't hear about Milosevic saying, it's a new world order, I've been tortured.

02:26:40.000 And by the way, Bill Clinton with his lies about mass graves.

02:26:42.000 I'm not saying Milosevic's a good guy, but compared to the Croats and the Muslims, Bin Laden working with the CIA to start the war, that's admitted congressional hearings by Republicans in 99. 0.92

02:26:53.000 It's a disgusting joke, folks. 0.94

02:26:57.000 Absolute fraud. 0.94

02:26:58.000 Charles, Louisiana.

02:26:59.000 Go ahead, Charles.

02:27:00.000 How are you doing, sir?

02:27:01.000 Fine.

02:27:02.000 I have a question for Mr. Paul.

02:27:04.000 Do you think that people in England will stand up when the time comes, if it comes?

02:27:10.000 Do you think they have the guts to stand up?

02:27:13.000 Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns, because we've been completely disarmed.

02:27:18.000 So, I mean, that's why the main focus of our website is on America, because it's the last bastion of freedom, where people are armed, and a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on.

02:27:28.000 So, I mean, England is basically a completely spineless socialist cesspit, I'm afraid to say.

02:27:34.000 And that's been the case for many years, so my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route.

02:27:41.000 Because England's basically gone at the moment.

02:27:44.000 That's what I'm afraid of.

02:27:45.000 Y'all can't even defend yourself down there.

02:27:48.000 Oh, you're put in prison. 0.75

02:27:49.000 If you catch someone raping your wife and you stab them, you get five years in prison, they get a pension.

02:27:55.000 Well, I just thank you, Mr. Paul, for what you're doing, son.

02:27:58.000 You're really a brave man.

02:27:59.000 I just hope the American people start fighting, doing something, helping you all out.

02:28:05.000 Because if we don't fight, sir, we're going to perish.

02:28:09.000 We're going to perish.

02:28:10.000 It's better to die free than be a slave.

02:28:13.000 Thank you for what you're doing, Mr. Jones, and I'm really discouraged, but I hope they pass your tapes out there, and I hope to God that the people get some guts to start standing up to these people.

02:28:24.000 I am sick of these people.

02:28:26.000 I am so sick of them. 1.00

02:28:27.000 Sick of their lies. 0.99

02:28:28.000 I hear your concern.

02:28:29.000 God bless you.

02:28:30.000 Ken in Texas, you're on the air.

02:28:32.000 Go ahead, Ken.

02:28:32.000 Good to talk to you, Ken.

02:28:35.000 How you doing, Alex?

02:28:36.000 Feinster, go ahead.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, I just want to say I don't beat around the bush when I make a call.

02:28:42.000 There's no doubt the American people cried out to God September 11th, but they just cried out to the wrong one.

02:28:47.000 They cried out to the federal government.

02:28:50.000 And with this Patriot Act, uh, two that Bush signed, uh, you know, that's what we get. 0.77

02:28:55.000 We, uh, look at the app at those Arabs or quote unquote, the terrorists or the Muslims, and we get politically stabbed in the back. 0.99

02:29:03.000 So I guess the moral of the story is don't, uh, cry out to a false God. 0.77

02:29:09.000 I hear what you're saying.

02:29:09.000 Absolutely.

02:29:11.000 Paul, comments to what Ken just said.

02:29:14.000 Well yeah, I mean that's what's going on.

02:29:15.000 They've made government the God because they've tied it in with this false George Bush Christian ethic when George Bush is not a Christian and he's proposing all these laws which then butcher the Constitution like Patriot Act 2 which he just passed and which he called... And now they grab their business partner and nothing's said and Bin Laden's their admitted business partner. 0.79

02:29:34.000 Time and time again this is all staged.

02:29:36.000 Thanks Ken.

02:29:37.000 Paul Watson, thanks for coming on the show.

02:29:39.000 I really appreciate you buddy.

02:29:40.000 Okay, thanks Alex.

02:29:41.000 You bet.

02:29:42.000 We'll come back with our CIA analyst and a bunch of other key news.

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02:35:58.000 He did briefly.

02:35:59.000 He had to go as part of an emergency meeting or something.

02:36:03.000 Something he had to take care of with a program he does for inner-city kids.

02:36:06.000 But he does join us today here for the next 25 minutes or so.

02:36:11.000 Mr. McGovern, just in a nutshell, A brief history of who Saddam really works for, what really happened in the 80s, what this capture means.

02:36:25.000 Of course, none of us are fans of Saddam, but what this really means and how can they allow him to be tried if he's going to blow the whistle on who's sold him the chemicals and biologicals.

02:36:36.000 You have the floor, go ahead.

02:36:37.000 Well, it's good to be back, Alex.

02:36:39.000 You bet.

02:36:40.000 Thank you for inviting me.

02:36:41.000 It's a complex story and I'll try to be brief.

02:36:45.000 Back in the 80s, of course, we had just escaped from the trauma of having all those U.S. 0.85

02:36:52.000 diplomats and others hold up in the U.S.

02:36:55.000 Embassy in Iran.

02:36:57.000 And so Iranians were our primary, quote, enemy, end quote, in those days, and certainly we didn't want any of the Iranians to be expanding their power still more. 1.00

02:37:09.000 And so Saddam Hussein was seen as a counterweight to that, and so he became A bad guy, but he became our bad guy, sort of like Noriega in Panama. 0.90

02:37:19.000 There's a difference between other guys, bad guys, and our bad guys, okay?

02:37:23.000 So we supported Saddam Hussein during his war with Iran to the point of exchanging very sensitive intelligence with him, which gave him the upper hand. 0.88

02:37:36.000 We also did all kinds of things in terms of allowing sensitive Sensitive materials to get to Iraq.

02:37:46.000 Those materials later criticized as being precursors to chemical and biological weapons.

02:37:53.000 Well, the 94 Senate report says anthrax, botulism, West Nile as well.

02:37:59.000 That's exactly right. 0.95

02:38:01.000 And so it's quite hypocritical.

02:38:03.000 Since we knew that he was using nerve gas, for example, against the Iranians, In those years, all of a sudden we turn around after supporting him in that, after saying nothing about it essentially, then all of a sudden he becomes an imminent danger not only to his neighbors 0.78

02:38:22.000 But to us.

02:38:23.000 And that's after his real capability has been blown to bits.

02:38:26.000 I mean, they could say he was dangerous in 90, but not after 91.

02:38:31.000 And I mean, I hear him on the news going, he attacked Iran.

02:38:35.000 He came to power in 79. 0.98

02:38:37.000 He's a vicious killer.

02:38:39.000 Didn't our government basically, well, back in 54, use him as a CIA assassin?

02:38:45.000 Well, I'm told, I don't know this officially, but I'm told that our government did support his consolidation of power, and that seems pretty clear from the historical record.

02:38:56.000 But the whole thing is the background here, and it relates to your other question, Alex, when you question how we can possibly allow a free and unfettered trial of this fellow.

02:39:11.000 That's going to be a real problem for our administration, because if Saddam Hussein is allowed to say all the things he could say, it will be very damning to U.S.

02:39:21.000 policy going back into the 80s, and it will show that it's been a very two-faced policy.

02:39:27.000 Well, the Israelis at the Debka file, mainly Mossad folks, say he looked like he'd been held for weeks, if not months, and that he'd been worked over pretty bad.

02:39:37.000 And then we have Congressman McDermott saying that, and that he's attacked as partisan.

02:39:42.000 But then I have another congressman here, LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd, Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.

02:39:51.000 something you don't know, we're about to give you Saddam. 0.96

02:39:55.000 So what do you think is really going on here?

02:39:57.000 Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.

02:40:01.000 And he sits on the intelligence committee in the Congress, and so he has access to some

02:40:07.000 of this information.

02:40:08.000 I don't have a definitive judgment on this, but it is intriguing indeed.

02:40:14.000 Well, how can they say that McDermott is an evil communist traitor, as the neocons are now saying, for saying something that Frank said in Cigar Aficionado in the December issue, the head of CENTCOM, saying something that LaHood said?

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:28.000 Well, you know, this business of name-calling, when people call General Zinni, for example, who headed the CENTCOM troops, when they call him, A Marine General, highly decorated, when they call him a traitor of some kind, and now they call other people traitors.

02:40:46.000 I mean, that just shows the depths to which the discussion has degenerated.

02:40:50.000 Now, take Congressman, the one from Washington you just mentioned.

02:40:56.000 McDermott.

02:40:57.000 McDermott, yeah.

02:40:58.000 He was over there, you may recall, he was over there in the fall of 2002, okay?

02:41:05.000 And I remember George Stephanopoulos asking him live on his program, Congressman McDermott, do you think that the President would deceive the American people?

02:41:19.000 And Congressman McDermott smiled and he said, of course I do!

02:41:24.000 And George Stephanopoulos sort of gulped, and I could hear the, in the TV rooms in my rather affluent neighborhood, I could hear the gasps going up, like that!

02:41:32.000 And of course, then McDermott said, you know, Deceiving the American people is a bipartisan activity.

02:41:40.000 Think of how Lyndon Johnson deceived the American people.

02:41:44.000 And so don't be surprised.

02:41:47.000 Just be aware that any time a president decides to go to war, which Bush had already decided three months previous, any time a U.S.

02:41:55.000 president decides to go to war, Then you cannot really expect that you'll get the full story.

02:42:01.000 Well, look at all the lies we've seen about fake news articles posted by the Pentagon, signed by troops that never saw it, Jessica Lynch fables, Niger uranium deals that didn't exist, mobile weapons trucks they knew day one were British sold trucks were pumping up hot air balloons.

02:42:18.000 I mean, they knew all this, and how can we believe anything they say?

02:42:22.000 I've never seen lies at this level, and I cut my teeth Mr. McGovern, exposing Bill Clinton.

02:42:29.000 I have never seen a wall of lies.

02:42:31.000 Have you?

02:42:32.000 Like this?

02:42:32.000 I have not.

02:42:34.000 And let me just add to that, Alex.

02:42:36.000 And I go back a ways.

02:42:38.000 I came on in government when John F. Kennedy was president.

02:42:42.000 So I saw LBJ and I saw Nixon and I saw all the rest of them.

02:42:47.000 There was a lot of duplicity and there were a lot of lies.

02:42:50.000 And why are you now speaking up?

02:42:51.000 I saw you on a British interview saying compared to Scowcroft and Bush and the senior, the people running the White House now are quote, crazies.

02:43:02.000 Yeah, well now that's a different, that phrase goes back to the 80s, but let me just tell you the difference between now and then with respect to the lies.

02:43:12.000 Okay.

02:43:14.000 I have never seen such a Well orchestrated, the epitome of PR proficiency, campaign going for 18 months as they prepared for this war.

02:43:27.000 You see, the other lies, the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin, well that was sort of a spur of the moment opportunity as LBJ saw it.

02:43:35.000 I don't excuse that, but it's a different kind of conspiracy.

02:43:40.000 What we had over the last 18 months was a concerted campaign, extremely well planned, to deceive the representatives of the American people, namely our congressmen and senators.

02:43:50.000 A program!

02:43:50.000 Yeah, into thinking that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, tricking them into giving their power in the Constitution.

02:43:59.000 to the president, and then allowing him to wage this unprovoked war. First time in our history

02:44:06.000 that our country has ever, on such a scale, waged a deliberate, unprovoked war.

02:44:12.000 Now, the other thing is, you mentioned the crazies. Well, you know, that's really an

02:44:17.000 interesting situation, because as I think you mentioned yesterday, I used to brief

02:44:23.000 George Herbert Walker Bush when he was vice president every other morning, and I worked

02:44:29.000 directly for him when he was the director of the CIA.

02:44:32.000 I think very highly of the man.

02:44:34.000 We have a good personal relationship still.

02:44:38.000 And, you know, when I think of the differences here between his son and him, that's just very striking.

02:44:45.000 But getting back to the crazies, during the mid 80s, early 80s, These fellas were all around.

02:44:53.000 I mean, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wormser, Bolton, Cheney, they were all around.

02:44:57.000 They called Pearl the Prince of Darkness.

02:44:59.000 Yeah, right.

02:45:00.000 I should have mentioned him first.

02:45:02.000 They were all in the Pentagon or somewhere, but they were kept at a sort of innocuous middle level until Wolfowitz wrote that defense posture statement in early 92.

02:45:14.000 Somebody leaked that, it went to the Times, and what did it say?

02:45:17.000 It said all the things that we have now implemented.

02:45:20.000 It said, for example, that when we see a situation where we have a chance to assert our strength in an area where we can, a strategic area like Iraq that has a lot of oil, We damn well better do that, because that's our responsibility.

02:45:33.000 That's manifest destiny for our country.

02:45:35.000 And that was repeated by the PENAC documents, and the neocons will say, it's never about oil when we have signed confessions from it.

02:45:42.000 Exactly.

02:45:43.000 So, what I'm saying is here, that when that document came out, the Wolfowitz defense posture document, George Bush I was still in power.

02:45:54.000 He called his chief advisor, General Scowcroft, and Jim Baker, who was Secretary of State, and they discussed it.

02:46:01.000 What do you do about this?

02:46:03.000 How did this guy get on the loose?

02:46:04.000 You know, we're supposed to keep those people in their place. 0.91

02:46:07.000 Well, they decided the only thing to do is to disavow it and put it in the circular file, which they did.

02:46:13.000 And so, those of us who knew that story, when we saw what George Bush II started to do when he came into power here in Washington, And giving top jobs to Cheney.

02:46:25.000 Well, Cheney, of course, was elected, but Rumsfeld and Feith and Wolfowitz and those folks.

02:46:30.000 And we said, my God, the crazies are back. 0.93

02:46:33.000 And why would we call them the crazies?

02:46:34.000 Well, because that's how they were widely known in the 80s.

02:46:37.000 If somebody said, whoops, something have to do with the crazies, everyone knew precisely who those folks were.

02:46:43.000 And I submit to you, Alex, But if you look at the decisions that have been made with respect to Iraq over the last year or so, I mean, crazies is the only possible explanation. 1.00

02:46:56.000 Well, we've had Marine Corps generals go public, we've had admirals, we've had CIA people, we've even had Scowcroft.

02:47:03.000 But then they get called traitors by the media, and there is no so-called leftist media, and they claim, oh, the leftists are against the war.

02:47:13.000 Well, Alex, I hope this doesn't happen to you, but I had an interviewer on an ABC affiliate here in Washington who had me on maybe seven or eight times.

02:47:24.000 There was another fellow in WOR up in New York that had me on twice.

02:47:28.000 Both of them got canned.

02:47:30.000 Both of them were told, we no longer need your services.

02:47:34.000 When people called up and said, what happened?

02:47:36.000 They said, well, the audience reaction wasn't all that good.

02:47:40.000 Yeah, and that's not true.

02:47:41.000 They purposefully, all over the country, censor calls now, Clear Channel and others do, where you can't even get on the air if you disagree.

02:47:49.000 And then people hear the shows like it's the First Amendment and there's a discussion going on.

02:47:56.000 It's not.

02:47:57.000 It's staged.

02:47:58.000 And it's very scary to see this happening.

02:48:02.000 Let's briefly, and then I'll take a few calls here, nerve gas.

02:48:05.000 On this show you talked about what really happened with the nerve gas, who really nerve gassed the Kurds, and you talked about the cyanide-based nerve gas of the Iranians. 0.91

02:48:15.000 You were there in the White House at the time.

02:48:17.000 What really happened?

02:48:18.000 Well, you know, Alex, that's still not altogether clear.

02:48:23.000 Uh, one of my colleagues has written extensively suggesting that it was Iranian, uh, gas that was used there.

02:48:31.000 But, uh, I am no expert on this.

02:48:33.000 I have checked with many experts.

02:48:35.000 And most of the others feel that it was indeed the Iraqis that gassed the folks in Khalajpah, but that it was not an extenuating circumstance, certainly, but it was during the war, there was a pitched battle going on, and both sides were using nerve gas at the time, so it's not really Nothing is.

02:48:59.000 Well, last time you were on it, I read the articles about how when they tested the dead bodies, it was the Soviet variant of gas the Iranians were using.

02:49:07.000 Yeah, I know, Alex, and I know I said that last time, but I've gone more deeply into it with more and more experts.

02:49:14.000 And all I can say is that it's not conclusive.

02:49:17.000 Well, no, I respect that.

02:49:18.000 And understand, I'm not here defending Saddam Hussein. 1.00

02:49:20.000 He's a horrible thug.

02:49:21.000 But compared to Bush saying, Taiwan, you know, we're going to change our policy, or, you know, compared to giving reactors to North Korea, I just, you know, see this as an excuse to grab oil and sell weapons and to have a private cash machine for Dick Cheney and Halliburton. 0.94

02:49:37.000 Your comments on that?

02:49:38.000 Well, it's also, and these are all true. 0.51

02:49:41.000 There's an overwriting rationale for this, though, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents.

02:49:51.000 For those of you who are listeners, just go on the web and type in, Project for a New American Century.

02:49:59.000 And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies.

02:50:11.000 The war against Iraq and so forth.

02:50:13.000 And you'll see in those documents the equivalent of Hitler's Mein Kampf.

02:50:18.000 Now, Mein Kampf was the strategic document that if anybody took it seriously, they could have seen what was happening.

02:50:25.000 And people have not taken very seriously the documents of the Project for a New American Century.

02:50:30.000 Well, in the Rebuilding America's Defense of September 2000, Cheney says we need to legitimize the use of race-specific bioweapons.

02:50:39.000 I mean, that is so insane, I can't believe I just said it.

02:50:42.000 I read it off their website.

02:50:44.000 Legitimize the use of race-specific bioweapons. 0.96

02:50:47.000 They're talking about killing certain races, folks.

02:50:51.000 Now, he wrote that.

02:50:53.000 We'll be back with Ray McGovern and take some calls.

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02:54:10.000 I was talking to Ray McGovern during the break and we're not sure who used the nerve gas on who.

02:54:17.000 They've got army documents that say it was the Iranians.

02:54:20.000 They've got CIA that say it was Saddam. 0.98

02:54:22.000 The point is they're all a bunch of thugs over there killing each other. 0.97

02:54:25.000 We were backing Saddam. 1.00

02:54:27.000 It's very hypocritical now to go, oh look how evil he is. 0.96

02:54:29.000 America's cleaned him up for, you know, for everybody when we helped put this monster in power and backed up what he was doing. 0.90

02:54:35.000 We're going to try to jam a few calls in here.

02:54:39.000 For Ray McGovern, I really appreciate coming on the show.

02:54:43.000 Ray, and I know you can only speculate here, but using your analyst mind, do you think they'll assassinate Saddam?

02:54:50.000 Will he get a Lee Harvey, Oswald Jack Ruby type killing?

02:54:54.000 Or will he get a fast developing cancer?

02:54:56.000 Or will they torture him and roll him out?

02:54:58.000 Or will he make a deal and blow the whistle on Iran or Syria with false info?

02:55:05.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:55:07.000 Well Alex, it's a difficult situation for the administration because they need to get an international, objective, non-partisan presence in there as they deal with Saddam Hussein.

02:55:24.000 Unfortunately, the arrogance and the disrespect for the opinion of humankind that has been illustrated by this regime in Washington would suggest that they're not going to do that.

02:55:35.000 Now, if they don't do that, if they don't have somebody watching them, Then all the bets are off.

02:55:42.000 Number one, they will never let Saddam Hussein say all he knows about the U.S.-Iraqi relationship.

02:55:48.000 And number two, they will always disparage what he says if it doesn't accord with what they have said.

02:55:55.000 For example, the weapons of mass destruction.

02:55:57.000 Well, where are they?

02:55:59.000 Okay, where are they?

02:56:00.000 I've been accused of having my tongue in cheek when I said the first thing they should ask them is, where are the weapons of mass destruction?

02:56:06.000 And they did!

02:56:07.000 Well, they did, yeah, but now he says there aren't any, okay?

02:56:12.000 And people say, or the mass media says, Well, how are you going to trust him?

02:56:16.000 He's lying.

02:56:16.000 Well, is David Kaye, the U.S.

02:56:19.000 Inspector, lying when he says it?

02:56:19.000 U.N.

02:56:21.000 Well, the point is that they didn't have that many weapons before the war.

02:56:25.000 They had a lot less after.

02:56:26.000 They're nothing compared to their other neighbors.

02:56:28.000 You can't have one policy for Iraq and ten other policies for other countries that are a hundred times more dangerous. 0.96

02:56:34.000 Mike in Ohio, you're on the air with our guest, Ray McGovern.

02:56:36.000 Go ahead, Mike.

02:56:37.000 Hi, Mike.

02:56:38.000 Yeah, my name's Mark, but that's okay.

02:56:42.000 Mr. McGovern, What was your cabinet post there at the Bush-Reagan administration?

02:56:50.000 Mark, it wasn't a cabinet post.

02:56:52.000 I was one of the CIA briefers that took the President's daily briefs down in the morning and briefed the highest advisors to the President.

02:57:01.000 Okay.

02:57:02.000 I'm also familiar with Wolfowitz's document.

02:57:07.000 Is there some way I can actually I believe so.

02:57:13.000 Try first with the Project for a New American Century.

02:57:17.000 Project for a New American Century?

02:57:18.000 Yeah, and I'm sure that they would have links to it.

02:57:20.000 Yeah, that's their website, too.

02:57:22.000 It's not us saying this.

02:57:23.000 Oh, it is?

02:57:24.000 Yeah, and you know, for example, one of those documents, the one that Alex just referred to, talks about the ability of our military has to be able to Uh, wage two wars, uh, at the same time, and also conduct what they call constabulatory, uh, duties.

02:57:44.000 In other words, be constables in the countries that we occupy.

02:57:47.000 Yeah, occupy countries in imperial... Yeah, actually, I'm familiar with that document a little bit, because I saw a PBS special dealing with that.

02:57:53.000 Mark, I gotta let you go.

02:57:54.000 Gotta let you go.

02:57:54.000 Oh, sir, I just want to also tell you that, uh, your signal's being jammed here in Cincinnati, Ohio.

02:58:00.000 So, apparently, your guest right now is... Okay, thank you for the call.

02:58:03.000 Gotta let you go.

02:58:04.000 We're out of time, ladies and gentlemen.

02:58:07.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight.

02:58:09.000 Back tomorrow, 11 to 2.

02:58:10.000 Ray McGovern, thanks for coming on.

02:58:11.000 Not at all, Alex.

02:58:13.000 I appreciate it.

02:58:13.000 Hope they don't jam your signal.

02:58:16.000 Thank you.

02:58:17.000 Sorry to Ed and everybody else.

02:58:20.000 Bunch of callers we didn't have time to get to.

02:58:22.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight.

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02:58:33.000 And pray for America, and pray for the people's minds and souls, that their eyes be open for the hypocritical corruption all around us. 0.63

02:58:41.000 Because while they're dealing with Saddam, they're creating ten more just like him. 0.99

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