Ron Paul joins Alex on the show to talk about the draft, the capture of Saddam Hussein, the lack of evidence that he was involved in the 9/11 attacks, and the cover-up of the truth about what happened to Saddam.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
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00:00:43.000It is Monday, the 22nd of December, 2003.
00:00:47.000We'll be live for the next three hours.
00:00:50.000In the third hour, I have Congressman Ron Paul joining us to talk about a whole plethora of very important issues, including the national draft.
00:01:01.000And Rumsfeld says, we're going to need a bigger army, we're going to need more troops.
00:01:06.000And the recruiting is falling way under the numbers they need and they've got all the draft legislation lined up for you and your family and all they need to do is provide another terror attack and our journey into pure fascism will be complete.
00:01:24.000Nations threat level raised to orange!
00:01:28.000Raised to orange, government says attacks possible during the holidays.
00:03:25.000Folks, day one, when I got on the air Monday, after hearing the announcement Sunday and watching it, I said, that guy had been beaten, that guy had been drugged, he'd been in that hole quite a while.
00:03:36.000Or he'd been in some hole quite a while, and then Israeli intelligence front, Debka, came out and actually agreed with me and said, yeah, he's been held for a while.
00:03:46.000Reuters reported that the beard was fake, then said it was real, We're getting lied to here, folks.
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00:08:34.000you The all-seeing eye of the New World Order is launching its attacks worldwide, carrying out terror events to scare us into submission.
00:08:47.000And if we don't cause a realization of this globally, if we don't realize who stands to gain from the terror, and then look at the evidence of who's behind the terror, the caught red-handed smoking gun evidence, we're in even more trouble.
00:09:32.000Today, security is being increased at airports, borders, and ports as the nation stands at Code Orange, the second highest alert level for terrorist threats.
00:09:45.000The upgrade, Sunday, from Code Yellow, or elevated status, followed warnings from the government that Al-Qaeda militants Maybe plotting attacks on America during the holidays.
00:09:57.000The new designation indicates a high risk.
00:10:01.000Well, NORTHCOM's at the extraordinary level, and has always been, and according to General Eberhardt, that's martial law.
00:10:09.000But again, that's just the LA Times who wants to listen to the General, the head of NORTHCOM, telling you how wonderful all this is.
00:10:15.000The information we have indicates that extremists abroad ...are anticipating near-term attacks that they believe will either rival or exceed the September 11, 2001 attacks, Homeland Security Tom Ridge said in announcing the change.
00:10:34.000Now, folks, they backed off putting out these alerts every week, what, about six, eight months ago?
00:10:39.000Because a bunch of articles came out, mainstream news, where the White House was ordering false alerts to be issued Ordering false alerts to be issued.
00:10:52.000But notice how Governor Ridge calls them extremist.
00:10:56.000See, that's a word that the Simon Wiesenthal Center or the ADL or the Southern Poverty Law Center or the FBI can call you if you're for land rights or the Second Amendment and not get sued.
00:11:27.000Some of the intelligence and information gathered or said indicates that Osama Bin Laden Terrorist Network is seeking, again, to use planes as weapons.
00:11:36.000They are consistently evaluating procedures to find gaps in our security posture that could be exploited.
00:11:44.000He said, the threat information comes from multiple credible sources, but officials are unaware of a specific target or means of attack, said a senior law enforcement official who spoke in condition of anonymity.
00:11:59.000What's scary is they announced all these over the last year and a half and now have been kind of quiet for a while.
00:12:05.000And we know who's carrying out the terror.
00:12:10.000So when the people in the government start telling you brace for attacks, it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
00:12:20.000All over the country, to get on a plane, or get on a bus, or down across a bridge, or to get on a ferry, men in black uniforms, usually illegal aliens, and I'm serious, 90% of those at the Boston Airport weren't citizens, and about 40% were illegal aliens, many of them from Syria, Iran, you name it, but again, we're going to accept all the matricular cards of the illegal aliens and legalize them, Ridge said two weeks ago, but you're going to have a magnifying glass crammed down your throat.
00:12:51.000But, uh, what spurred this alert Friday?
00:12:54.000ABC News, suicide bomber threat turns out to be false.
00:12:58.000London Times, the average person didn't hear about this, though, because it's not in your newspaper.
00:13:03.000America suffered a spasm of fear and alarm as two reports of terrorist activity rapidly gained credibility.
00:13:10.000The discovery of white powder on the Pennsylvania Avenue pavement outside the White House caused a section of Central Washington to be cordoned off by police who put In programs, a full-scale terrorist alert test subsequently showed the substance to be harmless.
00:13:27.000The initial reaction had been such that a Homeland Security spokesman was obliged to issue a statement declaring the powder to be benign.
00:13:56.000In an interview yesterday, New York Times head of the commission investigating the September 11th attack said that they could have been averted Had the FBI, Immigration, and other officials done their job?
00:14:09.000Thomas Keynes said investigators were still studying whether senior figures in the Bush administration should share the blame.
00:14:15.000He also went on to say that it wasn't anybody's fault, just that they need more funding.
00:14:20.000I mean, this is a guy they appointed, and they call it an independent commission.
00:14:24.000It's like when Reno appointed Senator Danforth to investigate Janet Reno, and they called him independent.
00:14:33.000I mean, a two-year-old should be able to figure out that's not independent.
00:14:38.000But again, we're talking about a general public that doesn't know what the First Amendment is, that doesn't know how many continents there are, that doesn't know where Iraq is, that doesn't know what the three branches of government are.
00:14:49.000Most people don't know who the Vice President is.
00:14:52.000And I'm not being sardonic here, acting elitist.
00:15:36.000Arrest in a blaze of government back-slapping publicity as a dangerous Al-Qaeda cell.
00:15:43.000Turns out there's no evidence against them, BBC.
00:15:47.000And there's a bunch of reports where they would arrest somebody, say they were a terrorist, then quietly release them and, oh, they're a CIA asset.
00:15:54.000That's happened in the Philippines, it's happened in Bali, it's happened in Malaysia, it's happened in Saudi Arabia, it's happened in this country, it's happened in Israel.
00:16:08.000They get caught blowing stuff up and then release the people that supposedly did it and it turns out they're CIA, Mossad, it happened in Indonesia, it just keeps happening.
00:16:20.000So nation's threat level rising to orange, and these are people who've admitted they put out false reports for political control to scare you, scripting hysterics.
00:16:33.000So the government, after fear-mongering with fake reports on Friday, raised the threat level on Sunday.
00:16:57.000Well, I mean, the guy was obviously drugged when they pulled him out of that hole.
00:17:00.000The man who took the photo told The Weekend Australian last night Hussein appeared very sick when he was visited by Iraq's governing council member.
00:17:08.000Ahmed Chalibi, the convicted torture master and bank robber.
00:17:42.000Hussein's daughter has claimed her father must be being drugged by the CIA interrogators for him to submit meekly to questioning.
00:17:49.000The photo shows the former president, who once lived in a string of palaces, is now being kept in a converted bathroom, lit by spotlights, with his bed right next to a toilet on a tiled shower recess.
00:18:01.000Hussain's location is a tightly guarded secret, but the only wall hanging in the room was a U.S.
00:18:07.000military map of Baghdad, suggesting he was being kept at a U.S.
00:18:10.000base in the capital, probably at the Baghdad airport.
00:18:13.000The photo, which is on PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com, of a sick-looking and unkempt Hussein showed him being visited by Dr. Shalibi, the number two man in the Shah's torture squads, the convicted bank robber wanted by our allies, who fled Iraq in 1958 after Hussein ordered him killed, and is now the Pentagon's favorite to become the next Iraqi president.
00:18:40.000Who fled Iraq in 1958 after Hussein ordered him killed?
00:19:04.000That photo, another in which he is talking to Dr. Shalibi in an animated way, caused a stir in Baghdad when they were published on the front page of Al Mutamar, the newspaper of Dr. Shalibi's Iraq National Congress, which said the meeting took place on Monday.
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00:22:00.000The United States seems to be celebrating over its triumph of reducing government debt.
00:22:04.000But the truth be told, public and private debt increased to a record high in 1999, reaching a peak of $14.8 trillion, marking 10.57% annual increase, outpacing its previous 10 years.
00:25:36.000troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned, ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British Sunday newspaper reported.
00:25:48.000Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the Al-Jabur tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son, Uday.
00:26:02.000Leading to a blood feud reported the Sunday Express which quoted an unnamed senior British military intelligence officer.
00:26:10.000The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13th near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete.
00:26:27.000That's a total lie, folks, if they covered that up.
00:26:30.000A former Iraq intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, pulled the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside U.S.
00:26:41.000forces during the Iraq War until he negotiated a deal.
00:26:45.000The deal apparently involved the group gaining political advantage in the region.
00:26:50.000Before I go any further, why would they stage the capture knowing it would come out?
00:26:57.000Well, they staged the Jessica Lynch thing.
00:27:56.000An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East told the Express, Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence.
00:28:03.000We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge.
00:28:22.000troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned, ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British newspaper has reported.
00:28:32.000And I love this article calling it a tabloid, but I have a bunch of other papers reporting it.
00:28:37.000Why do we have the colonel who supposedly captured Saddam sitting there on video, we have this from CNN at PrisonPlanet.com, saying, now here's the story.
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00:34:13.000Joseph Mengele's bad when he tortures, Saddam's bad when he tortures, but when Mr. Chalibi, the tortured master of Iran, comes in for visits with Saddam, it's good!
00:34:26.000Yes, you're learning double-think out there very, very well.
00:34:30.000When Governor Ridge has raised the terror alert, give up all your rights, or the terrorists will get you!
00:34:36.000Coming up, Saddam verdict, expected to take five years, so you won't forget about it.
00:34:42.000may need a bigger army, Donald Rumsfeld tells Time Magazine, getting ready for the draft.
00:34:50.000By the way, back to Saddam, after two or three years of torture and drugging, getting him ready for trial, which is legal in this country, by the way, the Supreme Court's rule, they can grab you, not charge you, and forcibly drug you in solitary confinement for over six years, in the Dr. Charles T. Sell case up in St.
00:35:06.000Louis, But, hmm, what's going to happen here?
00:35:10.000Oh, he'll be a good boy by the time he's ready to get up there and testify.
00:35:15.000He'll look like our troops who got shot down over Vietnam, who would blink in Morse code, torture, torture.
00:35:22.000Of course the North Vietnamese are good people.
00:36:11.000So did Hillary, why she was all for it.
00:36:15.000And Bill Clinton has defended Bush on making documents secret.
00:36:19.000Well yeah, George Bush is protecting Bill Clinton, blocking Dan Burton's committee.
00:36:24.000But the Clinton view on Iraq-Al Qaeda ties, and it says, are Al Qaeda's links to Saddam Hussein-Iraq just a fantasy of the Bush administration?
00:36:36.000The Clinton administration also warned the American public about those ties and defended its response to Al Qaeda terror by citing an Iraq connection.
00:36:45.000And now Bill Clinton is out defending Bush and what he did.
00:36:49.000This is the same man that said, I did not have sex with that woman.
00:36:54.000Monica Lewinsky, and how dare any of you say it!
00:36:58.000Just like, Saddam's got weapons of mass destruction.
00:37:49.000Police call for remote button to stop all your cars.
00:37:52.000That's already in there, now they're just announcing it.
00:37:56.000Parents told shouting at youth football matches is child abuse.
00:38:00.000Sunday Herald, it says children will be taken if parents shout at soccer games.
00:38:09.000I have the official Sunday Herald here.
00:38:11.000And yelling at your child will be cause for them being taken.
00:38:15.000Does it matter if the western world is five times more likely, that is governments in the western world, to abuse children than anyone else?
00:38:23.000Does it matter if pedophiles and sickos and abusers and warehousers of children get into this business?
00:39:57.000Before I talk about the upcoming terrorist attack, I just want to make a brief comment about Joseph Biden.
00:40:05.000The day after the alleged capture of Saddam, they did a live interview with Joe, and I'm sitting here with my wife watching it, and I was so taken aback and taken by surprise that I can't remember the network.
00:40:23.000I do know, however, that it was the only time that I saw During the interview, they were talking to him about the upcoming presidential race, and he said that he would be satisfied to have George Bush serve a second term.
00:40:38.000And I turned around and looked at my wife and I said... Yeah, you have one of the leading Democrats in the Senate, worshipping Bush, and I did read his comments, I didn't see it.
00:40:57.000I mean, Hagel would be absolutely just enthralled with how we have managed to raise his dialectic to an art form.
00:41:06.000But getting back to this business with this upcoming attack, gosh, you know, I've never done this before, but I really have such a strong feeling about this that I really honestly believe that because of the timing of the capture of Saddam, that The time is ripe for an attack on this country again.
00:41:37.000But because the police and firefighters and medical workers refused to take the shots to be the frontline force injectors of us, the public, we have all the articles about they're going to round people up, put them in the sports stadiums, force inject them, trying to get the volunteers, then trying to pay people.
00:41:57.000So now they've moved to bombing British embassies and British banks and bombing our troops and bombing others to keep the fear going.
00:42:06.000But certainly, look, I'm glad they did this capture of Saddam.
00:42:10.000That's the type of stunt they'll pull other than carrying out more terror.
00:42:15.000I'd rather Bush pull stunts and not, you know, kill people.
00:42:18.000And again, Bush isn't doing anything, he's a puppet, but Bush is the titular head.
00:42:22.000I'd rather that military-industrial complex represented by Bush do stuff like that and just pull basic stunts or, you know, announce a fake weapons of mass destruction find to keep their control going than the next big event.
00:42:39.000They've told us the type of weapon that will be used in the attack.
00:42:44.000And I'm not in the business of doing this kind of stuff, but I have a strong feeling that somewhere between now and the day, including the day that they play the Super Bowl, between then and now, I expect an attack with an airplane here in the continental United States.
00:43:01.000Well, there is that missing jet, remember, that got stolen in Africa?
00:43:39.000Alex, I just want to say my father just traveled abroad over to Spain.
00:43:43.000And the Spanish newspaper is over there.
00:43:46.000He said in English, if it's translated, it says the American media is brainwashing Americans to accept The global government.
00:43:54.000And it's just amazing how another country other than the United States can view something that's true, but the American people would buy anything that's put in the newspapers.
00:44:36.000Under a red alert, according to Sid Casperson of FEMA up in New Jersey, you will not be allowed to leave your home, you will be considered enemy combatants if you leave your home, and you will have virtually all your constitutional rights stripped from you.
00:44:50.000Now Alex, what's the reason for raising this terror level?
00:44:55.000Well, the news of the fake Saddam capture started coming out, news of Halliburton scamming, news of 9-11 culpability started coming out, and they like to scare you.
00:45:20.000Well, hopefully we could, you know, Like you said, Alex, through your videos, I tell anybody out there, I've got five of your videos and anybody who hasn't seen them needs to get them because they're a wonderful piece of information.
00:45:32.000I've had churches brought up to my local church.
00:45:35.000I had another church, you three of them, and a lot of the people in there are just, they want questions.
00:45:40.000They have questions, they want answers.
00:45:42.000I've given information about your website.
00:45:45.000It's just a wonderful thing is knowledge and educating the American people and to know what the truth is.
00:46:04.000But there are tens of thousands of people who are now prominently fighting the New World Order, like Ron Paul and others, and many other talk show hosts and authors and folks that run websites.
00:46:15.000A few years ago, the Globalist, I believe from the evidence, had a provocateur go into Bohemian Grove and do a bunch of bad stuff and then get arrested and say my name.
00:46:25.000I got a report that a guy went into a big hardware store last night here in Austin, pulled his shirt off with a huge swastika on it and began saying, I work for Alex Jones, I work for Alex Jones.
00:46:38.000We've been at a pro-gun rally and had the swastika business happen before and we found out they were federal informants doing it.
00:47:39.000And even for that, even with that event, we had police coming on the grounds, trying to start fights, trying to talk about violence, trying to frame us for something, just for trying to build a new home.
00:47:52.000We had the Fortune 500 demonstration three years ago, and I have this on video.
00:47:57.000And they had cops in anarchist outfits trying to start fights.
00:48:00.000I exposed them as police and stopped them before they got the news cameras to film them doing some violence as a pretext to attack all of us.
00:48:09.000Though we've seen that in Seattle and Miami and everywhere else.
00:49:06.000The globalists have been caught putting cancer viruses in your vaccines.
00:49:10.000The globalists have been caught engaging in every form of wickedness imaginable, and then some.
00:49:17.000I mean, my mind has never thought of the things that they get caught doing and suddenly, you know, I'm being bathed in this wickedness just having to research it.
00:49:30.000And if your humanity doesn't boil with a fire to resist this, something's wrong with you, folks.
00:49:39.000Just the level of pure evil And then you've got all these useful idiots that don't ask questions, that empower the system, that give it energy, and give it power, and give it control.
00:50:07.000Because if you cower in fear, you only empower the bullies, the tyrants, the... the... the corpulent parasites that are the New World Order.
00:50:21.000Please, your humanity, your guts, your bones, your very soul should be icy cold with the horror of what's happening.
00:50:47.000So face your fears and realize that it's better to face the bully than to get down in the dust on your knees.
00:50:57.000We'll be back with more calls and more news.
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01:00:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:15.000Alright folks, we've got Congressman Ron Paul coming up, who was an Air Force flight surgeon.
01:00:19.000He can tell you all about how many of our troops got shot down over Vietnam.
01:00:25.000We had a caller earlier denying that anyone was ever shot down over Vietnam and how torture is good, but now the whole show is going to descend into arguing about this.
01:00:53.000And he's promoting the alternative New World Order system run by the communists, basically.
01:01:01.000He has a lot of good info, a lot of good members, a great newspaper, intelligence review, executive intelligence review, but on key issues, it's disinfo.
01:02:27.000I heard this guy on there, and boy, I'll tell you what, for him, for he that doesn't think that a lot of our guys got shot down or that we just didn't blow anything up over there, He was correct in the fact that there were no fly no attack zones and that's what infuriated me is
01:02:48.000A lot of the no-fly, no-attack zones were their tank farms.
01:02:52.000Not tanks as in army tanks, but in fuel tanks.
01:03:44.000I mean, you know, anytime our troops get captured, you can bet whoever captures them is not going to treat them as fairly as the United States always did.
01:04:02.000This morning I was listening to a religious show before you here on 1360 in Colorado, and it's a rabbi.
01:04:12.000Mr. Spivak, and he was so adamant about torturing Saddam that it spurred me to call him up and ask him why he's torturing Saddam if Saddam knows of a bomb that's going to kill, you know, 100 U.S.
01:09:12.000I was in the Air Force as a flight surgeon from 1963 to 1968, but not actually in Vietnam.
01:09:19.000Okay, but now, I know that we had a bunch of aircraft shot down and troops tortured,
01:09:24.000but can you give us your historical view on that?
01:09:27.000Well, I mean, that doesn't even deceive... I mean, I can't understand anybody saying that.
01:09:32.000We probably had a lot more helicopters shot down than airplanes, and the people in the helicopters were the ones that ended up being prisoners so often, but there were hundreds of helicopters shot down.
01:09:55.000Remember John McCain and all those people?
01:09:57.000Yeah, and Duke Cunningham, also in Congress, was, you know, I think he was captured.
01:10:02.000And Johnson, Sam Johnson from Texas, was also a pilot that, yeah, and he was not a helicopter pilot either.
01:10:09.000And McCain was not a helicopter pilot.
01:10:11.000So there were a lot of planes shot down.
01:10:12.000I don't know the numbers, but I mean, we ended up losing 60,000 men, so they had to shoot a lot of them down.
01:10:20.000I'm going from memory, I believe it's over 2,000 fixed-wing aircraft were shot down, and helicopters were shot down, I believe it was over 8,000 times.
01:10:30.000But now, many times it was just technical difficulties, or they had to land.
01:10:33.000But I didn't mean to get off on that side issue, I was just so blown away by that statement.
01:10:38.000But I mean, we just had the big report, 339 universities Over two-thirds of administrators and not just administrators but students didn't know what the First Amendment was.
01:10:58.000You were down at the Jefferson Forum, and I got a bunch of calls out of Houston.
01:11:02.000You were saying that it looks like they're lining up the draft now.
01:11:06.000Rumsfeld in Time Magazine just said, yeah, we need a bigger military.
01:11:10.000They've got a bunch of legislation lined up to do it.
01:11:14.000What do you see happening, Congressman?
01:11:15.000Well, I hear a lot of talk behind the scenes, but there's been legislation introduced, some by moderate liberal Democrats, as well as the Black Caucus.
01:11:24.000And there are all sorts of arguments, you know, to increase the size of our military.
01:11:30.000Rumsfeld, who's always argued for a small military, he's never argued to, you know, slow down on the intervention overseas, but he's always argued that we don't need a lot of men, just highly skilled.
01:11:42.000But now he's admitting that they need more men.
01:11:45.000The question they never ask, and the Congress should ask, and I'll continue to ask, is, well, if we're coming up short of men, Why don't we cut back a little bit on our empire?
01:11:54.000Why do we have to be in 130 countries and going looking for trouble around the world?
01:11:59.000Then we wouldn't need so many individuals in the military.
01:12:04.000Well, I mean, I've read the Houston Chronicle where it says they've got a bill to draft skilled people, professionals, doctors, engineers, firefighters, and some of these national drafts look like you'll serve domestically, some will serve overseas.
01:12:21.000What do the different pieces of legislation say?
01:12:23.000I haven't looked at them all, but that sort of follows a historic precedent, especially for physicians.
01:12:30.000Even when they ended the draft in the early 70s, they kept the doctor draft going on for a while longer, and they have already talked about drafting doctors.
01:12:39.000There's a pseudo-draft on right now as well, because those individuals who have been scheduled to get out of the military and have not re-enlisted have been told they can't.
01:12:52.000So, they're forced to stay longer than they agreed to, so they've been, in essence, drafted.
01:12:58.000Well, I've seen articles, Congressman, where they also, if you had served a five, ten year stint before, that you're being recalled.
01:13:06.000Yeah, and I guess they do sign some of that paperwork where they'll claim that they have agreed to do that, and it's not a very good sign.
01:13:15.000Okay, well I hate to put you on the spot, I don't ever really do this when you're on with us, but you've got some children, what are you going to do if they try to draft your children?
01:13:22.000Well, they're all going to be old enough to make their own choices.
01:13:28.000I have grandkids that age, and it'll be up to them.
01:13:31.000The individual himself has to decide that, but to me it's a real tragedy.
01:13:36.000I think that, you know, the use of the A conscientious objector clause is being, it was used more in Vietnam than ever before and I'm sure it's going to be used a lot more later on.
01:14:23.000And the real defense of a country comes by civilians armed, and that's why the Second Amendment is so important.
01:14:30.000And it's the militia, the concept of the militia, people who are readily armed, and then there will be no takeover.
01:14:38.000I just don't think you ever have to have a draft, because what you concede with a draft is ownership of one's life, and that means the politicians own your life.
01:14:47.000And you can unfairly pick a certain group and force them into battle, especially under today's conditions, into a battle that makes no sense.
01:15:10.000Well, there's two practical reasons not to.
01:15:13.000If we torture them, they'll torture us.
01:15:16.000And the other thing is, is what torture does not to the person who may well deserve it.
01:15:22.000As much as the people who dish it out.
01:15:24.000So if a country who pretends to follow the rule of law and justice, if they practice torture, that means you lower yourselves or ourselves into the same category of the people we're trying to defeat.
01:15:39.000And the other practical reason why it's not wise is that you don't get that.
01:15:44.000There's no proof that you get good information.
01:15:46.000A lot of times those who are being tortured We'll eventually say whatever you want them to say, and it's not reliable.
01:15:54.000So there's just no excuse for the use of torture.
01:15:58.000You can't trust a government that tortures.
01:16:02.000I mean, you can't say Joseph Mengele was good.
01:16:05.000So how can, you know, Saddam's back as he tortured.
01:16:07.000Now we're going to become Saddam Hussein if we do this.
01:16:10.000Shifting into immigration, Governor Ridge, While raising the alert level, wants to give amnesty to at least 8 million illegals, accept the matricula cards all over the country that can easily be faked.
01:16:22.000How can they have a magnifying glass down our throat, but then have the borders basically wide open?
01:16:29.000Well, that's essentially what they're doing.
01:16:31.000You know, the other day, a couple weeks ago, we had a bill that was threatening Syria almost to the point where, you know, we put on sanctions and we were getting ready to invade Syria.
01:16:42.000And they said the main reason was the borders weren't secure.
01:16:47.000And my argument was, well, how can you expect the Syrians to have secure borders between their country and Iraq?
01:16:53.000At the same time, we don't have anything called secure borders.
01:16:56.000So, the whole thing is complete nonsense.
01:16:59.000And that's why our money and our personnel should be used domestically, not internationally.
01:17:05.000Well, how can we say... That means we should have more secure borders.
01:17:09.000How can we say that Saddam is this great demon when he is a bad guy, but then Bush cuts Taiwan loose and violates basically the treaty and changes our 50-plus year policy with Taiwan?
01:17:21.000Well, whatever is practical they do, and if they want to go with the big red Chinese, they do.
01:17:28.000They don't follow moral principles, they follow just pure financial pragmatism, because we were close allies with Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden in the past, we helped build them up.
01:17:39.000And when they don't serve our purpose, then we turn them into Hitler themselves, and we did that with Noriega, and we do it constantly.
01:17:47.000That's why I argue the case that the more non-intervention we have, and the less entangling alliances we have, the better.
01:17:54.000Well, that's like what George Washington said, but that's, you know, that's radical extremism, Congressman.
01:18:00.000Yeah, I know, and somebody said the other day, they said, boy, this sounds like you're almost like an isolationist, I said.
01:18:07.000Not really so, and then I pointed out George Washington said it, and they said, yeah, but that was a long time ago.
01:18:12.000I said, does that mean our Bill of Rights is no longer necessary because it's a long time ago, or the Ten Commandments no longer do we have to abide by because they were written a long time ago?
01:18:24.000Because conditions are different today.
01:18:26.000Anything our Founding Fathers said or intended by the Constitution no longer applies.
01:18:30.000Well, what the Founders, as you know well, were saying was something new.
01:18:34.000We're going back to the Imperial Model.
01:18:36.000We're going back to something older, aren't we?
01:18:39.000And I think freedom, although we had a hint and a taste of that in our early years, Freedom is a very, very modern idea.
01:18:47.000Most of all, history has been built on tyrants and government control and very, very minimal protection of civil liberties for the individuals.
01:18:58.000So I would say that we are the progressives, even though that's a horrible term today.
01:19:04.000We're the ones that believe in liberty.
01:19:06.000And we believe in the future, they do want to go back to the old ways.
01:19:10.000That's it, we're going to break, maybe go to a few calls, but I want to get into the plunging dollar, the 43 trillion dollar deficit according to the Dallas Morning News.
01:19:20.000That's right folks, that's what we really owe in all of our agreements, 40 plus trillion dollars.
01:19:27.000Get those questions answered by Congressman Ron Paul.
01:19:31.000And maybe jam a few of these calls in.
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01:24:35.000They're still buying our currencies and the central banks are still trying to profit up.
01:24:40.000But if they get to the point where they really leave the dollar and oil is not priced in dollars, you're going to see tremendous price inflation.
01:24:49.000You're going to see us paying a lot more for oil and everything we buy overseas as well as domestic
01:25:06.000They can tinker with it, and they can even tinker with the price of gold,
01:25:10.000but ultimately the market will overwhelm.
01:25:12.000The dollar will go down, which means commodity prices, which are already on the rise, as well as gold,
01:25:17.000they'll continue to go up, and inflation will be back with a vengeance.
01:25:21.000Well, the globalists have already moved most of their holdings to China and India.
01:25:25.000They've got Treasury Secretary Snowe saying a dropping dollar's good.
01:25:28.000I don't really see him doing much to prop it up.
01:25:30.000Seems like the bigger, overriding global corporate system wants a weak dollar.
01:25:35.000I saw the Davos Economic Forum three and a half years ago saying that.
01:25:39.000Yeah, you know, the exporters keep thinking a weak dollar is going to save them, but it never seems to happen, and members of Congress who represent steel districts and farm districts think this is the salvation.
01:25:51.000Just have a weaker dollar and then there'll be generous exports, which means they don't care about consumers and they don't care about importers.
01:25:59.000I mean, a lot of companies depend on imported goods.
01:26:03.000This whole notion that government should be manipulating In controlling the value of the currency, the market should determine it, but it should be determined by a commodity, of course, rather than a fiat currency.
01:26:36.000on intelligence authorization and they've been talking about Patriot number two but they would they decided not to bring it up calling it Patriot number two so they started doing piecemeal and they put a major piece into this conference report and had not been discussed before and it has to do with more intrusion into the financial affairs of every American that they do not have to have search warrants and And they can demand information from auto dealers and travel agents, pawnbrokers, anybody and everybody.
01:27:06.000And now we're hearing about them going after topless bars, county commissioners, marijuana dealers.
01:27:12.000I have articles every week against everybody.
01:27:15.000That is right, and it's the kind of thing that has been on They've been proposing for years and years, but this post 9-11 atmosphere has helped them to get this stuff passed, and they haven't even been satisfied with Patriot Act No.
01:27:32.000I mean, they say it's for terrorists, but their definition of a terrorist is misdemeanors, according to Section 802.
01:27:39.000Well, it is really tough, because I think, with your help, there was a lot of awakening About Patriot Act No.
01:27:46.0001, and when we did have a clean vote on repealing some of that in the House of Representatives, we actually won it overwhelmingly to repeal the sneak and peeks.
01:27:55.000But that, interestingly enough, when it got to the conference, it was deleted.
01:28:00.000So they put in the bad stuff, they delete the good stuff, and then everybody leaves town and everybody forgets about it.
01:28:06.000It's a darn hard job, so we have to keep plugging away.
01:28:11.000Information to the American people is ultimately the only thing that counts.
01:28:19.000Folks will come back and take your calls, but Congressman's got to leave us.
01:28:22.000We appreciate him during this holiday week joining us.
01:28:25.000In the last minute, any other key issues we need to be made aware of?
01:28:28.000I think you touched on just about all of them, but I think it's the appetite that American people have for spending that is the big issue.
01:28:37.000Congressmen get, for the most part, re-elected and they vote for all the spending.
01:28:42.000Evidently, either they're totally uninformed or they support the idea that the government should continue to spend all this money domestically and police the world.
01:28:50.000But one of these days it'll change because we're going bankrupt.
01:28:53.000We are literally, technically bankrupt, but when it's discovered, the dollar will crash and then we will have to cut back and we'll have to live within our means.
01:29:10.000Well, it's amazing because when it was on the House floor, there were a lot of us that were yelling and screaming, but DeLay and these other guys said, ah, don't worry about it.
01:29:18.000It's so bad that the courts will throw it out.
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01:29:27.000And I guess a lot of them were shocked when the courts actually didn't cover the Congress and rule it unconstitutional.
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01:33:28.000I'm going to go through your calls real quick and back into some more important news.
01:33:34.000Sean in Colorado, I made you hold earlier because I gave you about 30 seconds before a break.
01:33:39.000You were talking about One of our wonderful affiliates, and I don't ever want to bash our affiliates, we're saying a host on 1370, was going to the argument of, and this is what I saw in the law enforcement magazines, this is the argument that's been put out by the talking heads, a lot of well-meaning, intelligent people buy into.
01:33:58.000And they say, well, if, you know, there's a bomb that's going to kill a hundred of our troops, you torture them to get the answers, what are you going to do?
01:34:06.000Well, in reality, you never really run into those situations.
01:34:10.000I mean, that's a bunch of government PR.
01:34:12.000And again, there's a greater damage in what happens to your troops when they do get captured, because then they're certainly going to get tortured, and then you can't punish those that did it, and you've lost the moral high ground, and then from there, torture's going to be legitimized.
01:34:29.000And I know there's a lot of well-meaning people who who have been sucked into this but joseph mingola
01:34:37.000tortured it was bad saddam hussein tortured it was bad
01:34:40.000the vietnamese not commies tortured it was bad torture is bad
01:34:46.000torture is bad uh... go ahead uh... sean
01:34:51.000well that's right alex and and what it comes down to that it's a bunch of uh...
01:34:57.000brainwashing that's going on to be you know that all these people in america
01:35:32.000And he said, these aren't even real Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
01:35:35.000What we need to do is arrest those that flew the 8,000 Taliban and Al-Qaeda out to safety in Afghanistan who worked with the CIA.
01:35:44.000We need to have an investigation of why the hijackers were trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.
01:35:49.000We need to have an investigation of government carrying out terror attacks.
01:35:54.000Again, it's the big monolithic government that can't be trusted.
01:35:58.000And why they're trying to sell us this idea of torture being good, listen, I want to have anybody on who thinks torture is good, I want to debate this fact.
01:36:48.000Well, you know, I would love to hear you talk with him.
01:36:51.000I mean, I brought up the fact that, you know, at the same time, they passed the, you know, 2217.
01:36:57.000And, you know, if he's all in favor for torture, you know, to save a couple hundred people's lives, how come they're not having that same passion when they hear about John Ashcroft saying 11.5 million people will die?
01:37:12.000Don't you think maybe we should torture him and find out what he knows about 11.5 million people in this very country?
01:37:21.000Sean, I do not wish any harm upon John Ashcroft or Bill Clinton or George Bush.
01:37:26.000Neither do I. I was just stating a point about torture and it's bad all around.
01:38:28.000That caller just sounded like a provocateur trying to wind you up.
01:38:31.000He's a liar if he claims to have listened to you for two years, and nobody's that retarded.
01:38:36.000Are you talking about that caller earlier saying none of our jets got shot down in Vietnam?
01:38:40.000Well, the Pentagon torturing a thousand Afghan POWs to death is not good for America.
01:38:46.000And Colonel Fletcher Prouty, who I'm sure you know, reported in his book JFK that the Viet Cong shot down 15 helicopters per ambush using nothing but bows and arrows wrapped in steel wire.
01:38:58.000In that book, JFK helped Stone get Operation Northwoods released, so that's a very A credible book.
01:39:04.000He also reported 5,000 choppers were destroyed with 20,000 crew dead.
01:39:09.000I thought it was 8,000 choppers, 20,000 crew.
01:39:16.000Half of them just crashed by themselves, though, and bill helicopter contracts were our own worst enemy after Agent Orange.
01:39:22.000Well that's what my uncle said, you know, he got shot down I think seven times as it was listed, but really I think he said, what did he say, three of those were from fire.
01:39:30.000A lot of times, you know, getting shot, a lot of times the things just broke down.
01:39:34.000I talked to a guy who got hit in the head twice by a helicopter rotor and survived.
01:39:54.000That was in Tennessee on November 9th.
01:39:57.000Three men were arrested and $131,000 cash seized and a brand new Humvee seized and the people are held without bail even now, a month later.
01:40:16.000Yeah, it was in the Knoxville News Center on Friday.
01:40:20.000And a Tennessee State Trooper pulled this Humvee over from speeding it, allegedly 90 miles an hour, which is above the top speed of a Humvee.
01:40:28.000He then searched them, searched their car, and found this cash.
01:40:32.000And they were just traveling through Tennessee.
01:40:33.000They weren't going through a border, international border checkpoint.
01:40:36.000The one guy allegedly said the word Canada, so they arrested them and seized all their property.
01:40:41.000So if you have a passport now, and a traffic stop, or you say you're going to Canada or Mexico or out of the country, And you have any cash on you, then they can seize that and arrest you under the Patriot Act.
01:40:54.000Yeah, and this is a new precedent case.
01:40:57.000They said in the article that they've never seen this happen before, even though they say it's legal to drive through the state of Tennessee or any other American state with cash.
01:41:06.000They're saying now you can't even go from state to state.
01:41:09.000Under asset forfeiture seizure, you've all heard the stories of the old lady with $10,000 in her purse because she doesn't trust banks?
01:41:15.000And they grab her $10,000 and say it's up to you to get it back?
01:41:18.000Right, they've been doing this on drugs for years and now they're using the Patriot Act, which apparently gives them even more authority.
01:41:25.000Hey, they're going after topless bars, county commissioners, and zoning disputes.
01:42:58.000I only listen to Rob Noel, Eric Cederstrom, Bill Obama, you, and occasionally Stan Montius.
01:43:07.000All the others don't make any sense to me.
01:43:10.000Now, you guys have been working wonderfully on explaining to the people that government is, by definition, as I, about five calls ago, mentioned on your show, by definition, evil.
01:43:25.000Only thieves, liars, and now I say murderers want to rule your life, and they make rules that don't even make sense.
01:43:33.000And of course, the way they print pieces of paper into money, that is not earned.
01:43:41.000That is by that elite, which doesn't want to work.
01:43:43.000And now they're going to rob your wealth, your energy, through devaluing it.
01:45:00.000Now, Israel admits they torture people, okay?
01:45:05.000But then it's come out and UPI, Harots, you name it, In the last two years that Israel will conduct bombings and then blame it on people or they even have squads of Palestinians that work for them that are doing it.
01:45:18.000I'm not saying all the bombings are Israel, but it makes sense.
01:45:22.000You want weapon sales, you want to expand, you want to oppress your own people, you want to have rules and regulations on your own populations, you want to keep the war going, you do this.
01:45:33.000And that's not Alex Jones, that's Haratz, that's the Jerusalem Post, I have those articles, in Police State 3, total enslavement.
01:47:11.000There are peace plans that'll work, folks.
01:47:14.000But both sides, the military industrial complex in Israel and the terrorist complex that is controlled by the Arab states wants these wars to continue.
01:47:24.000Because that's how they maintain their control over the region.
01:47:26.000That's their pretext for police state.
01:47:44.000They already have this in your ignition, folks.
01:47:46.000Motorists face new Big Brother technology.
01:47:49.000After speed cameras, road humps, and mobile phone bans, there could be more bad news for Britain's motorists.
01:47:54.000Police are urging ministers to give them the power to stop vehicles by remote control.
01:47:58.000If what will be seen is yet another example of the increasing power of Big Brother, drivers face the prospect of their cars being halted by someone pushing a button.
01:48:08.000The police lobby is being led by Superintendent Jim Hammond.
01:48:12.000of Sussex Police who chairs an association of police officers technology working group which is examining the idea providing an effective means to remotely stop a vehicle in fast becoming a priority Hammond told the European conference the development of safe controlled system to enable remote stopping has the potential of directly saving lives and uh... they uh... they go further Howard Well, let's read this guy's quote.
01:48:40.000Brett Morris, Deputy Director of AA Motoring Trust, said, People don't like the idea of Big Brother taking over their driving in years to come.
01:48:48.000That might be acceptable, but it's very, very inappropriate that there is a step-by-step approach.
01:48:53.000They're already starting nationwide satellite taxation in Germany.
01:48:56.000Starting it now in England, they're announcing that they want to do it here, and the systems are already in all the new cars.
01:49:02.000They put the grid in, then they announce it.
01:49:05.000Just like they started taking your DNA at birth 33 years ago, now 33 years later they go, oh we want to start a national DNA database, we just so happen to have your blood.
01:49:25.000Israel's considering a military strike to destroy the nuclear program of Iran, now regarded as Tel Aviv's number one enemy.
01:49:31.000The Israeli daily, Harat, cited Defense Minister Saul Mofaz as telling Israel Radio Persian Service last week that if a decision was made to destroy Iran's nuclear capability, necessary steps will be taken so that Iranian citizens will not be harmed.
01:49:57.000Parents told shouting at youth football matches is child abuse and your children will be taken.
01:50:04.000Parents of young footballers who shout criticism from sidelines during matches will face criminal charges in the future and be guilty of child abuse under new guidance from the sports governing body.
01:50:17.000Under new rules, parents who give lifts to children of neighbors or friends or of other children may also have to undergo police checks.
01:50:28.000The player protection policy also says that if they see a bruise on a soccer player, they've got to call the police.
01:50:35.000So now your child gets bruises playing soccer.
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01:54:10.000All right ladies and gentlemen, final segment before I get into some of this news here at the end of the show.
01:54:16.000I want to encourage everybody out there who's listening to my voice to stop procrastinating, to join me in history, fighting against tyranny and the New World Order.
01:54:38.000Ninety percent of those that see 9-11 Road to Tyranny, Masters of Terror, Police State 3 Total Enslavement, Matrix of Evil, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, they're waking up.
01:55:05.000What the neocons are, what PNAC said about needing terror attacks, what the New World Order is, Patriot Act 1 and 2, Homeland Security, government-run white slavery rings, concentration camps, the police state.
01:56:43.000China thanks Bush for Taiwan's stance.
01:56:45.000Beijing issues new warning against move towards independence.
01:56:48.000China's President Hu Jintao thanked President Bush in a telephone call Saturday night for opposing any words or actions by Taiwan to alter its status and again warned that China would not tolerate the island's independence.
01:57:04.000A telephone conversation came as President Chen Xinbin of Taiwan continued to ignore warnings by the United States and China against holding a referendum in March to demand that China redeploy hundreds of missiles it has aimed at the island.
01:57:18.000Oh, so you got a free country where they have elections, a republic, and we're against them, and we're against China pulling out its weapons, and the globalists, I don't want to say we, but those that control us, are arming China but not arming Taiwan.
01:57:33.000And I'm a liberal because I'm for Taiwan.
01:57:35.000You're conservative if you're for Red China!
01:57:41.000And there's another Sunday Herald article, Concern Over Tough New Abuse Rules.
01:57:46.000And they're passing all these laws where if you yell at your child, you lose custody or are arrested.
01:57:52.000And it says they passed the guidelines because the government was abusing children.
01:57:56.000The guidelines to be published next month aim to make it more difficult for pedophiles to target young people.
01:58:01.000In the wake of the trial where school caretaker Ian Hutley was found to have already been accused of sex crimes years before he murdered Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells.
01:58:16.000They always pass new laws because the government's raping and killing children.
01:58:20.000The very people that were grabbing children are abusing them, so now if you yell at your child at a football game, they're going to come after you.
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02:00:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:07.000Alright my friends, now we're into our two- Congressman Ron Paul from Texas will be joining us in the next hour.
02:00:21.000Talk about the draft, Patriot Act 2, The free trade area, the Americas, the New World Order, Bush cutting Taiwan loose, you name it.
02:00:33.000By the way, the Communist Chinese are thanking Bush again today for what he did cutting Taiwan loose.
02:00:41.000Changing 53 years of treaty obligations.
02:00:45.000It's now coming out what we can already tell from the evidence that Saddam had been held for at least three weeks By the Kurds, and that was a staged capture.
02:00:55.000Then you watch the video of Colonel Hinckley telling the troops, keep their mouths shut, let me tell you the official story.
02:01:02.000And that was on CNN of all places, they don't even hide this stuff.
02:01:07.000It's amazing, we're on the Hyphen Terror Alert.
02:01:11.000Members of FEMA, federal and state, have said that if we go to a red alert, we're all going to be basically slaves and have no rights.
02:01:17.000Well, the comment was by Sid Kasperson, virtually all your liberties will be stripped away.
02:01:22.000You'll be an enemy combatant if you leave your home.
02:01:26.000That's the head of FEMA operations in New Jersey and Gannett News Service.
02:01:30.000That is, by the way, in police state, three total enslavement.
02:01:32.000We're about to go to Garrett and Brandon and John and Jonathan and many, many others.
02:01:39.000the toll-free number to join us on air is 1-800-259-9231 and the websites are infowares.com and prisonplanet.com
02:02:39.000Reading that book, it just talks about what's going to happen.
02:02:43.000Because they are creating racial divides, they are balkanizing the country.
02:02:47.000I'm not saying he's a racist, it just shows what's going to happen.
02:02:52.000And I'm in one of the worst places that I could ever want to be.
02:02:57.000Anyway, um, people would like, for the first instance, a man out there at Christmas time has went and bought $8,000 for his wife a ring.
02:03:06.000I would suggest he take it back if he's got the receipt and go buy him a weapon and some ammunition because, uh, things fixin' to get bad.
02:03:15.000A lot of people are saying that, and my antenna are up, and I don't mean for Christmas, but here before the election, I've got a really bad feeling from all the evidence I'm looking at, kind of doing a prime projection on what I see happening, and I tell you, we're on the razor's edge.
02:03:33.000If we get the word out about who's behind the terror, we may back them off, but that is...
02:03:41.000Statistically, that's the minority future, I see.
02:03:48.000And I'm glad we're going to have Ron Paul on to talk about Patriot Act II.
02:03:51.000A friend of mine who listens to your show regularly says that he discussed it the other day that they had ramrodded through the 1st of December.
02:04:04.000This movement and this effort is like a football team.
02:04:10.000Everybody's got their part to play and, uh, you know, everybody's got to be a team player and you're doing your part and we're doing our part.
02:04:23.000All right, your calls coming up in more news after this quick break.
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02:08:32.000troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned, ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British newspaper has reported, according to British intelligence.
02:08:44.000Also, a respected photographer and journalist for a major Australian newspaper, The Weekend Australian, and you can see the photos on my websites, InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, Saddam's got an injection port, an IV port in his arm.
02:09:00.000He looks totally drugged out and beaten.
02:09:11.000They're saying they're going to try Saddam.
02:09:14.000Well, it could take a few years to even get the trial going, so he'll be portrayed properly, just like our troops that were shot down over Vietnam would say whatever the Vietnamese wanted him to say.
02:09:25.000Don't worry, Saddam will say whatever the globalists want him to say.
02:09:28.000He won't talk about how he's business partners with the entire Bush crime family.
02:09:32.000Saddam verdict expected to take five years.
02:09:35.000Iraq officials and judges involved in setting up Baghdad's new war crimes court have revealed that Saddam Hussein's trial would not be finished for five years despite the clamor for speedy justice since his arrest last week.
02:09:47.000The desire among many ordinary Iraqis for their former dictator to be tried rapidly must be sacrificed to the need for a full and open hearing.
02:09:57.000That satisfies international legal standards, officials said.
02:10:01.000It will obviously cause impatience among the Iraqi people, but I don't think there's anything that can be done about that.
02:10:09.000No, he's got to spend a lot of time in the ministry of love, like Winston did in 1984, and then he can love Big Brother.
02:10:19.000And he did get visited by the torture master, Dr. Chalibi, who's the admitted number two man for the Shah of Iran for torture.
02:10:47.000We may need a bigger army, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld tells Time in this week's Person of the Year double issue on newsstands for two weeks beginning Monday, December 22nd.
02:11:00.000Rumsfeld has been under pressure from Congress to expand the military by at least two divisions or 20,000 troops.
02:11:08.000Times Washington Bureau Chief Michael Duffy and Pentagon correspondent Mark Thompson report the Secretary resisted the pressure over the summer and fall, but in his conversation with Time he said he was studying it more closely now, opening the door to a deal.
02:11:27.000And news is out of Washington, they're getting ready to pass the draft after the next terror attack folks, so get ready for that.
02:11:35.000Really serious news that we need to cover here.
02:11:45.000After months of looking at nothing but the bright side of a weaker dollar, investors are starting to look at the darker side of its struggle against the Euro.
02:12:18.000For most of the past six months, that has seen a positive for the most part, as U.S.
02:12:23.000goods and services became cheaper compared with those produced overseas.
02:12:27.000Folks, there are no American goods to speak of.
02:12:29.000Maybe a toilet plunger, maybe napkins, maybe something like that.
02:12:36.000No, the trade deficit got bigger than ever in the last six months, by the way.
02:12:41.000Now, though, investors are looking at the Pace of the dollar's decline, fearing that an orderly drop in demand may turn into a rout.
02:12:49.000See, four years ago, three and a half years ago, the World Economic Forum in Switzerland said we want an orderly drop and decline of the dollar so the American middle class doesn't struggle.
02:13:02.000And then I heard NPR a month ago bragging, yes, it will teach Americans how to live in their means.
02:13:08.000We're being turned into a third world country, folks.
02:13:12.000Indeed, this past week several large companies said the weak dollar continues to be a boon to corporate results.
02:13:31.000Few are expecting such a doomsday scenario, but with the dollar at a seven-year low against the Swiss franc, an 11-year low against the British pound, and the euro enjoying an 18% gain this year, investors are hoping that the dollar is closer to the bottom than not.
02:14:54.000Now, why do you think the stock market is up by about 6%?
02:14:59.000Because of the dollars down by 36 percent, it's going to take more dollars to buy that stock, and so the stocks should, if we were just staying even, go up by 36 percent.
02:15:16.000It's fluctuating between 5 and 7 percent, the stock market being up from its low of two and a half years ago, or right before 9-11 and right after 9-11.
02:16:50.000Just to prove again that he's nothing but a puppet, the call screener asked me, what do you want to ask?
02:16:55.000And I said, well, he had Tom Ridge on this morning.
02:16:58.000I don't know if he knew that, but he had Tom Ridge on his show for about four or five minutes asking stupid questions and not giving him any hard questions.
02:17:06.000And I said, well, I'd like to ask him how come he wants to legalize eight million illegal aliens?
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02:18:17.000We've got to keep the illusion of conservatism going.
02:18:20.000Don't want to rile up 20 million people that could save this country if they weren't sucking their thumbs.
02:18:27.000And I also wanted to ask why the governor of Illinois wants to give driver's licenses to a half a million illegals in the state of Illinois alone.
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02:24:37.000I would like to hear from some of these callers about this news coming out by British intelligence that Saddam had been captured weeks before by the Kurds and that whole capture by U.S.
02:24:58.000I can understand why the Kurds would want to torture Hussein to some extent after the gassing and all, but I think it was okay for the U.S.
02:25:09.000to torture, I think it was Akron that tortured Baran Iraqi during an interrogation by grazing his ear with bullets.
02:25:23.000But um... I don't know where... I don't know where this thing... It sounds to me like if it's okay for everyone else to torture but us, that sounds like Geneva Convention rhetoric to me.
02:25:38.000Because you obviously disagree with me, and I want to keep you on because I want to flesh this out, Jeff, and so if we hit this break, don't hang up.
02:27:17.000Oh, you're saying pilots didn't get tortured by the Vietnam War?
02:27:21.000We weren't allowed to go over there, we weren't allowed to bomb them, we weren't allowed to gather intelligence, we weren't allowed to do anything.
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02:33:06.000Your calls are coming up and a lot of the different news items I was mentioning.
02:33:10.000Police call for remote control button of your cars.
02:33:15.000You know the hardware is already in your ignition for all the new cars built in the last 7-8 years.
02:33:20.000Some cases nine, ten years, but it became mainstream about seven, eight years ago.
02:33:26.000And a lot of other key issues coming up.
02:33:27.000Congressman Ron Paul in the next hour to talk about the draft, Patriot Act 2, the ballooning deficit, the open borders, all of that.
02:33:38.000Jonathan in Georgia called into the show and he disagrees with me, so I respect him for that.
02:33:42.000I'm going to treat him with some respect.
02:33:46.000I got into an argument with him about torture being a bad thing and he said, well, I agree with that officer who fired the gun by the guy's ear to make him talk and save lives.
02:33:55.000I thought we were going into Iraq because Saddam tortured people.
02:34:01.000He was hired by the CIA in 54, trained for two years in torture, assassination, Fort Benning, Georgia, right through 1990, was training tens of thousands of Republican Guard.
02:34:11.000That was one of the main groups there.
02:34:13.000This is congressional funding reports, folks.
02:34:57.000Well, we saw a local newscast, uh, for these guys who were acquitted, by the way, uh, for the yogurt shop murders, when they obviously didn't do it, here in Austin, and the cop put a gun to his head and cocked it.
02:35:08.000And they put that on the news, and people said, oh good, put guns to people's heads.
02:35:15.000We never had to act like that before, and now the more we do it, the more trouble, you know, every law enforcement... I read the paper on where in America you're talking about.
02:35:53.000Well, for one thing, as far as law enforcement is concerned, I'm always hearing about gadgets that are non-lethal and shoot nets and rubber-coated bullets and all this other junk that they're trying not to do to save the criminals' lives.
02:36:06.000But, um, I don't know what you're reading.
02:36:11.000You talk about when you're at a rally and they run up and spray babies in the face with maize and say, you shouldn't be here, and fire rubber bullets at crowds of old women.
02:36:20.000There are no old women in those rallies.
02:36:52.000I know a lot of people are like you, but I care about you.
02:36:55.000I care about you being a free person, Jonathan.
02:36:57.000What are you going to do when you find out that we had thousands of jets, and prop planes, and C-130s, and B-52s, and Thunder Chiefs, and just tons of aircraft?
02:37:13.000And I expect you to expect me to believe that they all just shot the Vietnamese and bombed them and everything else.
02:39:22.000I'm on dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of AM and FM stations.
02:39:27.000Do you know why I'm on those stations?
02:39:31.000Because most of those station owners and managers heard me as a guest on their station four, five, six, two years ago, laying out everything that was going to happen.
02:39:41.000They didn't believe it then, but they had memories.
02:40:03.000This guy that just called in, folks, and I don't want to be mean to him, I don't want to discourage that type of call, but that's the type of person, I'll be on KOA or KFI or some big 50,000 water as a guest for two hours or some mom and pop, we'll take 20-30 calls and one guy will call in like him and say there is no New World Order, there is no blah blah blah, just total denial.
02:41:31.000And I just think that, you know, there's a lot of It depends on where you're getting your information.
02:41:36.000You know, if you just pull up the nightly news and listen to the Ted Koppels of the world, you get this real pretty picture of the way things are and the way things ought to be.
02:41:44.000But, you know, if you dig in and you start looking a little bit below the surface, there's all kinds of information out there that... But you don't have to dig beneath the surface to find out what happened in Vietnam!
02:41:57.000Well, I think that probably to the gentleman that called in, it's probably, you know, he's heard you and he hasn't heard that before, and he hasn't probably taken the time to actually look into the matter.
02:42:08.000It's just that, look, and probably his attitude is, look, Alex, you're saying something that I don't hear on the nightly news.
02:42:16.000And unfortunately, if you don't want wisdom, you've got to dig a little bit deeper than that.
02:42:23.000But, I mean, I would point out that Saddam tortured people, therefore Saddam's bad, which he is, but then we're torturing and suddenly good.
02:42:31.000That is double-think, that is double-speak.
02:42:33.000Yeah, I'm very concerned about this acceptance, and to a large degree it's being accepted by American people that torture is good.
02:42:41.000And I think that the foundation for that kind of thinking is that That whatever the government does is good.
02:42:51.000If you think that anything in the government is bad, then you must be subversive.
02:42:55.000But the reality is, Alex, I don't care if you look at doctors, politicians, you know, most of our politicians are lawyers, and it's kind of funny to me, people say, well, lawyers are bad, they're a bunch of sharks, but somehow, when they go into politics, all of a sudden they're good.
02:43:13.000And now that they're part of the government, they can do no wrong.
02:43:16.000And I think that's very fallacious thinking, and the reality is that it doesn't matter what profession you go into... You're going to find corrupt people, so you've got to have controls.
02:43:25.000You're going to find corrupt people, you're going to find good people, and if you allow torture and we get some corrupt people in government, buddy, you might be next.
02:43:39.000And I'd say the same thing with respect to removing Americans' rights as citizens and calling them combatants.
02:43:45.000Well, why do you think the media every night in sitcoms, dramas, news, tortures good, tortures good on 24 and Threat Matrix, tortures good, it's so the police will watch that and have their social mores altered?
02:44:03.000Well, I tell you, we're in deep trouble when we start saying that the ends justify the means.
02:44:07.000And one of the reasons why America has become such a success story in the history of government is because we have been a nation that is governed by rule of law.
02:44:18.000And once we remove that rule of law, Buddy, the termites are in the building and it's not going to be long before the building comes down and that's why we must defend the laws and not let them be eroded and decayed away.
02:44:33.000With these vain philosophies that are based on the ends justify the means.
02:45:02.000And you know, he had his arguments for it.
02:45:05.000Well, and I'll tell you something that else is very troubling to me, and I think it ought to, to trouble any red-blooded American.
02:45:14.000If there is a company in private business and they do something wrong, buddy, send them to jail.
02:45:19.000If the guy out in the street does something wrong, send them to jail.
02:45:22.000If somebody within the government does something wrong, Then all of a sudden, it becomes, well, let's investigate it and bury it in a thousand pages of documents and stretch it out until the public is no longer concerned, and when it goes away, let's give the guy a promotion.
02:45:37.000And unfortunately, that is the modus operandi that we are seeing across the board in government right now.
02:45:42.000They gave Lon Horiuchi a medal for blowing a woman's head off who had a baby in her arms.
02:45:48.000And so, see, these are troubling things.
02:45:51.000And the Solicitor General, Clinton's Solicitor General, In an 11th Circuit Court of Appeals case in 2000 said, if a citizen kills somebody in cold blood, it's bad.
02:46:12.000And you know, a number of years ago, during the Clinton administration, they came out with this ruling that it was an automatic death sentence if you fired upon a federal agent doing their work, whatever.
02:46:24.000And about that time in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, they were having these gang members dressed up in black outfits, in jack-booted suits, and they barge into people's houses and say, FBI!
02:46:39.000And no warrant, no nothing, and then they proceed to rob and rape the people.
02:46:44.000How does a person know the difference if we're not going to follow the rule of law and knock on the door and say we've got a warrant here to search the premises?
02:46:52.000Well, that's my point is that bad guys always wore black masks.
02:46:56.000Suddenly they say the good guy's wearing it.
02:46:58.000Jim, we got about three, four minutes here.
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02:47:56.000Wow, and it's a great deal to begin with, and I know that shipping's going to cost you a lot for what, two, three day shipping?
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02:49:19.000That is the road to Hades, my friends.
02:49:24.000Alex, I couldn't agree with you more, and again, we cannot compromise these issues.
02:49:28.000These issues have carried us in good stead, made us the most powerful nation on Earth, and the concept or the thought that we're going to throw this out for a new ideology, that the ends justify the means, we're going to get rid of the citizens' rights, that your rights are dependent upon a bureaucrat in Washington and what he decides about you, without maybe even knowing who you are, any of your background, strip you of your rights, and be able to send you into some sort of detention camp, Uh, incommunicado, and then use torture.
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02:53:56.000I knew that that caller earlier would spur massive phone calls saying that we didn't lose any jets in Vietnam.
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02:56:09.000I don't know where you got your history from.
02:56:11.000But my friend, you have been lied to and you need to pay attention To the truth and quit believing these talking heads on TV because they're going to destroy you and your family.
02:56:20.000Pastor, we had as high a rate as in the worst parts of World War II.
02:56:23.000They would send out a dozen jets and many times six or seven would come back.
02:56:28.000I know we lost over 2,000 pilots of fixed-wing aircraft.
02:56:33.000We lost thousands and thousands of helicopter pilots.
02:56:36.000My uncle was shot down multiple times.
02:56:38.000This guy calls in and says it didn't happen.
02:56:41.000Alex, my job in the military, I was in the Uh, in communication, my job was Morse code, tracking our jets, flying, flying the missions, uh, and they got very upset if I lost the jet, uh, with the signal going across.
02:56:55.000Don't tell me they weren't there, I tracked them.
02:56:57.000I know they were there, because, uh, I, I, I, I'm the one who, who, who put the grids out there to keep, to keep, uh, to keep them on, uh, on, on satellite and on radar.
02:57:09.000Well, everybody knows they got him and tortured the living daylights out of him, and then he... I don't know what he's talking about.
02:57:15.000Well, I don't either, Alex, but he's a product of the Dumbed Down Society of America, the ones who watch ABC and the rest of the communist broadcasting stations, CNN, all of that.
02:57:31.000I want you to tell me, why is torture bad?
02:57:35.000Torture is bad because it's immoral, unscriptural, ungodly, and it's never been done in this country before that I know of.
02:57:41.000I probably have it behind the scenes, but if we legalize it and make it right, our nation is all but gone now, Alex.
02:57:47.000One more step like that and judgment will come on this country like you're not going to believe.
02:57:52.000And the Vietnamese did torture our people.
02:57:54.000Yes, they did torture our people, and as a fact, and I can tell you, I can give names of prisoners of war, and you mentioned one, McCain, who was tortured, who would tell him, yes, they were tortured.
02:58:17.000That's what I'm fighting against, though.
02:58:19.000I mean, people that don't know how many continents there are, what the First Amendment is, where Iraq is, what the three branches of government are, they don't know anything.
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