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00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:22.000 ♪♪♪ Hello, my friends.

00:00:31.000 It is Wednesday, the 4th of February, 2004.

00:00:37.000 And my goodness, you've tuned in to a very important show today.

00:00:44.000 We have the father of Mel Gibson, an expert on the New World Order, joining us in the second hour, Hutton Gibson, to talk about Well, a speech he gave a few weeks ago to the American Free Press about secession from the Union, the National Draft, what's happening in Iraq, the New World Order, and much more.

00:01:05.000 He'll also give us his report upon seeing the Passion that's coming out later this month.

00:01:13.000 Then, in the third hour, we have Andre von Bülow, The former Secretary of Defense, or Minister of Defense in Germany, that's Deutschland, and up until about a year ago, when he got off the board to write a book, he was also the head of German technology, the technology minister.

00:01:40.000 And I had a chance to talk to him in his home yesterday, what an intelligent individual.

00:01:44.000 He's written a book where he lays out the facts of how the military-industrial complex carried out September 11.

00:01:54.000 He doesn't say they have prior knowledge.

00:01:56.000 He doesn't say that they allowed it to happen.

00:01:59.000 He says they did it.

00:02:02.000 And talking to him on the phone, he said, you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe nineteen hijackers did it.

00:02:08.000 The evidence, the mathematics, the eyewitnesses, the facts show that this was a Hitlerian attack by the globalists to scare us into submission. 0.82

00:02:21.000 So, Andre von Bulow, the former Defense Secretary and then Minister of Technology, In Helmut Schmidt's government, in Gerhard Schroeder's government, he's been in the German government since the mid-1970s.

00:02:41.000 Joining us to talk about his book, 9-11 and the CIA, and we have information on that at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:02:53.000 And if your station doesn't carry the third hour, man, I'm sad to hear it, because you'll want to hear this interview.

00:03:00.000 I will probably re-air it sometime next week in the second hour of the show because I know this is going to be a very, again, very informative, very revealing interview.

00:03:12.000 We've got Michael Meacher, the Environment Minister, going public saying the Globalists carried out 9-11.

00:03:18.000 We've got Andre von Bulow saying it and bringing out the evidence.

00:03:23.000 We've got all these former military people worldwide, including U.S.

00:03:28.000 generals and colonels, saying it.

00:03:31.000 We have all the evidence.

00:03:32.000 It's just...

00:03:34.000 We're saying the world is round, and we are the Magellans of the 21st century.

00:03:42.000 We have proven it is round, and it's up to you to look at the facts and start accepting it, that the seas are not boiling, that the world is not a square, that it's not flat.

00:03:56.000 I will say it again, the world is round.

00:04:01.000 No, that's radical, but soon you'll all be accepting it if you'll just look at the evidence.

00:04:06.000 When we get back, Bush wants to loan U.N.

00:04:10.000 $1.2 billion for New York HQ renovation.

00:04:16.000 Always the big supporter of the U.N.

00:04:19.000 Emergency shelters planned for Beijing residents, and then Russia's been doing nuclear attack drills on us.

00:04:25.000 Intelligence chief bombshell, we were overruled on dossier.

00:04:31.000 They knew it was fake day one.

00:04:33.000 Condoleezza Rice is going to be testifying before the Whitewash Commission.

00:04:39.000 They're going to run a background check on you when you have your child, and grab your child if you've got anything on your background.

00:04:45.000 That's the Detroit Free Press.

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00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:22.000 All right again, folks.

00:08:31.000 It is Wednesday.

00:08:34.000 The fourth day of February 2004, we have the former Secretary of Defense, and of course up until about a year ago he was also the head of German technology, the technology minister, one of the top positions in Germany, joining us as he'll go over the evidence of the U.S.

00:08:53.000 government carrying out September 11th.

00:08:57.000 You see, anybody with a brain knows this, and more and more people worldwide are saying the world is round, not flat.

00:09:04.000 And again, we are the Magellans of the 21st century.

00:09:08.000 We tell the truth.

00:09:09.000 We face the facts.

00:09:13.000 Who is an expert on history and the New World Order.

00:09:17.000 I mean to that point he was the 1968 champion of Jeopardy and written some books and puts out a great newsletter.

00:09:26.000 He's also the father of Mel Gibson.

00:09:28.000 He'll be joining us in the next hour to talk about the draft.

00:09:33.000 The ensuing Iraq whitewash and a speech, a great speech he gave a few weeks ago concerning secession, states seceding from the Union. 0.86

00:09:44.000 Is this a stopgap measure to finally educate the people about what's happening?

00:09:50.000 To have some states break away, to be free zones, and to try to reconstitute the Constitutional Republic?

00:09:58.000 So that's coming up as well.

00:10:01.000 Let's go ahead and run into the news.

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00:10:42.000 Okay, let's dive straight into the news.

00:10:44.000 Bush wants to loan the U.N.

00:10:46.000 $1.2 billion for New York HQ renovation.

00:10:51.000 This is from AFP.

00:10:52.000 U.S.

00:10:52.000 President George W. Bush has asked lawmakers to approve a $1.2 billion loan to the United Nations to pay for a major renovation at the U.N.

00:10:59.000 headquarters in New York.

00:11:00.000 The State Department said, Bush, who is frequently derided by critics as a staunch foe of the multinational diplomatic approach, followed by the United Nations, included the loan request in the Foreign Operations section of his proposed fiscal 2005 budget, which was released yesterday.

00:11:20.000 Now, again, Bush signed on to UNESCO, something Ronald Reagan got us out of, something Bill Clinton dared not get us in.

00:11:28.000 He's increased U.N.

00:11:29.000 funding.

00:11:30.000 He's letting the U.N.

00:11:31.000 play the part of the good cop coming into Iraq now, while we play the part of the bad cop.

00:11:35.000 It's all owned by the globalists, folks.

00:11:37.000 The U.S., the U.N., Europe.

00:11:39.000 It's an elaborate shell game.

00:11:41.000 And this is their own document stating this.

00:11:43.000 Bush is the biggest empowerer of the UN as a puppet that we've ever seen in this country.

00:11:53.000 And that's just the facts.

00:11:55.000 But he does, in his rhetoric, put the UN down occasionally, which conservatives buy hook, line, and sinker.

00:12:05.000 It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger saying, oh I'm against giving drivers license to illegal aliens, and then saying last year, well actually I'll just write a new bill that does it. 0.99

00:12:14.000 So he gets rid of one bill, introduces another bill, and we go, oh that's so conservative.

00:12:20.000 And they couldn't be getting this whole agenda through if it wasn't Republicans doing it.

00:12:24.000 We would never let Democrats do this.

00:12:26.000 We know they want to do it, so we're awake to what they're doing.

00:12:31.000 Very, very serious.

00:12:33.000 State running background checks on new parents.

00:12:36.000 Now, the statewide federal control database of the Matrix system that hooks into the National Security Agency is going to have your divorce records, your bank account numbers, your directory assistance, what phone numbers you get, your phone records, who you call, everything you've bought with a credit card.

00:12:58.000 It's all going to be in there.

00:13:01.000 This is admitted!

00:13:02.000 No warrants, no nothing, and a huge database.

00:13:04.000 But also, any type of crime or misdemeanor that isn't even terror-related will be considered terror.

00:13:15.000 And if you've ever had a misdemeanor, when you have a child, you're going to get a visit from CPS that will try to then force you to sign documents handing your children over.

00:13:26.000 And Bush has roughly doubled the amount of Health and Human Services funding in these last two budgets, doubling Bill Clinton, who roughly doubled it himself.

00:13:37.000 That was one of the few things that grew under Clinton.

00:13:39.000 The government actually didn't grow too fast under Lord Clinton, but that's because he couldn't get away with it, because Republicans were watchful.

00:13:46.000 Now with Bush, well, you know what's happened.

00:13:48.000 But listen to this Detroit Free Press article.

00:13:51.000 I actually look at the law, it's much worse than what they say, but listen to this.

00:13:56.000 State running background checks on new parents!

00:13:59.000 That's right!

00:14:00.000 The licensing has begun!

00:14:03.000 Lansing, Michigan.

00:14:05.000 A new state program intended to protect newborn babies runs background checks on their parents to determine whether they have a history of child abuse that resulted in termination of the parental rights.

00:14:16.000 Well, I actually looked up the law.

00:14:18.000 It's any crimes.

00:14:20.000 And then they decide should rights be terminated.

00:14:22.000 Okay, so.

00:14:23.000 Now, the whole idea here is prevention, said Mark Jasonwich, Deputy Director of the State Family Independence Agency.

00:14:32.000 I love that Orwellian.

00:14:33.000 It's like Ministry of Love is where they torture you.

00:14:35.000 Ministry of Truth is the propaganda.

00:14:38.000 Ministry of Plenty is the starvation bureau.

00:14:42.000 War is peace. 0.96

00:14:43.000 The Family Independence Agency, when the official CPS textbooks say their job is to break up the family, we've read those on air.

00:14:52.000 Quote, we want to identify those parents who have been abusive in the past and try to head off any possible incidents of future abuse.

00:14:59.000 By the way, the law is written where you got in a fight with your wife, you threw some stuff, she threw some stuff, she called the cops, your neighbors did, somebody goes to jail, well now they're going to take your children too.

00:15:09.000 So, it's all in there.

00:15:12.000 By the way, CPS is five more times likely to abuse children.

00:15:16.000 Again, the abusers are the ones where there's no oversight and they run things.

00:15:20.000 The program, which has been in place since March 7th, is designed to fill gaps in the state's child protection system.

00:15:27.000 Say a parent has his or her rights terminated, then they move to another county and has another child, there's no way for the local authorities to know the history, said Michael Foley, Executive Director of Children's Charter for the Courts of Michigan, a child and family advocacy group.

00:15:44.000 You know, a giant cash machine.

00:15:46.000 The F.A.I.

00:15:47.000 will gather information on about 144,000 newborns per year from the Department of Community Health and Search, or MATCHES, weekly against its own database of 34,000 parents whose rights have been terminated.

00:15:59.000 From there, the information will be forwarded to local F.I.A.

00:16:02.000 offices, which will make sure that the MATCHES are legitimate.

00:16:07.000 Yeah, right.

00:16:08.000 If they are, caseworkers will go out and investigate in extreme cases and extreme cases, yeah.

00:16:13.000 The newborn baby will be removed.

00:16:15.000 Some critics worry about the ability of large state agencies to keep their information up to date.

00:16:20.000 Others say the entire idea sounds as if Big Brother is now looking into homes and hospitals.

00:16:27.000 By the way, we've had doctors on the show.

00:16:29.000 We've read the mainstream reports here on the broadcast.

00:16:33.000 A large percentage of marijuana, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, painkiller drug tests.

00:16:40.000 When they take your blood, they don't tell you that they're about to violate your Fourth and Fifth Amendment, that they're doing a criminal investigation.

00:16:48.000 If any drugs are found, they take your child.

00:16:52.000 Now, the statistics are that in many of these tests, up to half of them are false positives, and we've had parents on where they run out, go to another hospital, get their blood tested, no drugs, they get the original sample, turns out there wasn't drugs, didn't even show a positive, they just lie and do it!

00:17:11.000 In fact, if you've got a poor family and a white baby with blonde hair and blue eyes, look out.

00:17:17.000 And again, this is mainstream news.

00:17:18.000 We covered this last week.

00:17:20.000 From Eastern Europe to the U.S., poor family, they get up to $200,000, the adoption agencies do.

00:17:27.000 CPS ends up getting about $100,000 of that.

00:17:30.000 And they'll come into a poor family, the quote was on welfare, and they do it to black and Hispanic and Asian babies too, but there's not the big market there.

00:17:39.000 This is admitted, by the way.

00:17:42.000 So it is just horrible that this is going on in this country.

00:17:46.000 So if you're poor and white, and you go to a city-owned hospital, look out.

00:17:50.000 I mean, I've been to these hospitals.

00:17:52.000 I've done news reports on this.

00:17:54.000 I've seen them get people's children with no criminal record, no drugs, no nothing.

00:17:58.000 They just say, sign these documents or we're going to arrest you.

00:18:01.000 The mother cries, signs them, and it's over.

00:18:03.000 They can't get a lawyer.

00:18:04.000 Nothing happens.

00:18:06.000 And that's the end of it.

00:18:08.000 No judge, no jury, no nothing.

00:18:11.000 And for middle school and junior high students here in Austin, we have the newscast off CBS.

00:18:16.000 They're very proud of it.

00:18:18.000 If you're late to class three times, that is a truancy, unexcused.

00:18:23.000 Criminal charges are filed.

00:18:25.000 You're called into the portable building of the school.

00:18:27.000 A judge is there.

00:18:28.000 They've set up courtrooms all across Austin in portable buildings.

00:18:31.000 And they tell the parents, this is on the news, sign here.

00:18:35.000 Your child's on probation.

00:18:36.000 They're going to be drug tested.

00:18:38.000 And for what?

00:18:39.000 Being late to class three times.

00:18:42.000 Folks, the magnitude, I'm not exaggerating, it's worse than what I'm saying, the magnitude of getting our young people, our babies, into their system from infancy to 18 years of age is huge.

00:18:55.000 How do you think we've gone from 1.3 million people 9 years ago in prison to 7 mil?

00:19:02.000 How do you, oh by the way, the official government numbers are 30 million by the end of this decade.

00:19:08.000 Just two years ago they were saying it would be $35 million by 2020, and that's in Road to Tyranny, that clip off CBS.

00:19:15.000 Now they're saying, no, no, $30 million by the end of this decade, and they're on track to do it!

00:19:22.000 And this is the same FBI and Houston and Dallas Crime Labs and every other crime lab you can imagine caught in industrialized frame-ups of people.

00:19:31.000 Dallas just randomly pulls you over, throws a bag of chalk in the back of your car, takes your house, your car, indicts you.

00:19:38.000 The drug lab certifies it as cocaine.

00:19:41.000 You go to prison.

00:19:42.000 DA indicts.

00:19:43.000 I mean, it's serious business.

00:19:46.000 The criminals are in control.

00:19:49.000 And now, if you got bad credit, you're gonna get a CPS visit.

00:19:54.000 Oh, oh yeah, I've got those articles too.

00:19:55.000 Did you know that?

00:19:57.000 We'll be right back with more news.

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00:24:10.000 Alright my friends, your calls and more news are coming up.

00:24:21.000 Hutton Gibson joining us to talk about world politics.

00:24:25.000 Third Hour, the former Secretary of Defense, the Defense Minister from Germany.

00:24:30.000 And up until last year, he was then, of course, the Minister of Technology, the number three post in Deutschland.

00:24:37.000 To talk about who really carried out 9-11, he says, from all the evidence, it was the military-industrial complex.

00:24:43.000 I think we might want to listen to the former Secretary of Defense, or Defense Minister in Germany, Andre von Bulow, on this issue.

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00:25:37.000 And I've been aware of it for some time, and so we'll do something about it.

00:25:40.000 But again, we have lots of satellites for you, that's why we do, and I apologize for folks out there that are stationed in Tennessee and others out there.

00:25:52.000 But you can just go to GCNLive.com and they have all the satellite frequencies there, but there's free analog satellites.

00:25:58.000 Galaxy One, ladies and gentlemen.

00:26:01.000 Galaxy One.

00:26:03.000 And I know Dave, you have G1, so we need to switch over to Galaxy One.

00:26:08.000 Thank you.

00:26:09.000 Okay.

00:26:11.000 Boy, I tell you, there is just so much here that I want to go over.

00:26:15.000 But let's just go to calls right now.

00:26:17.000 Let's talk to Oh I guess Mike in Michigan, go ahead.

00:26:24.000 Hey Alex.

00:26:26.000 Hello.

00:26:26.000 Great to talk to you.

00:26:27.000 You bet, good to talk to you.

00:26:29.000 I gotta make a confession though. 0.98

00:26:32.000 First time I heard you about a year ago, I thought you were another one of those crazy doomsday nuts. 0.91

00:26:39.000 But I've come to see the light. 0.68

00:26:42.000 No, I'm not a doomsday nut.

00:26:44.000 I think we can defeat this new world order and the struggle of humanity is always against tyranny and we've just forgotten that, so we're going back into tyranny.

00:26:51.000 Yep.

00:26:53.000 First time though, you know, I never had a shortwave radio and I bought one and I tuned through and I heard your program and I thought, oh my goodness.

00:27:02.000 Because I never paid a whole lot of attention to what was going on around me.

00:27:06.000 I was one of those people asleep, you know.

00:27:10.000 But the more I listen, the more I pay attention, boy, I tell you, I've never really, you know, and I think a lot of people are just like I was.

00:27:18.000 They just go on about their business and ignore it on purpose.

00:27:21.000 Well, the question I get a lot at the bookstore or at the grocery store or walking the dog is, Mr. Jones, do you really believe all the things you say?

00:27:31.000 Well, all I do is go off the documents, the bills, the public statements of the globalists, their program, the history of the New World Order.

00:27:40.000 What we talk about here is documented.

00:27:43.000 Yes.

00:27:44.000 Yes, I've done all your websites and stuff, and gosh, it's unbelievable.

00:27:48.000 A big problem, Mike, is that there are a lot of people out there talking about the New World Order who don't document what they do.

00:27:57.000 And those are the people that the media gives attention to to discredit what we're doing.

00:28:01.000 That's why all of us have to have discernment and research on what people are saying.

00:28:08.000 You're up in Michigan.

00:28:09.000 What do you think of this?

00:28:10.000 And by the way, this is going on in other states.

00:28:11.000 They already do this here in Texas. 0.74

00:28:13.000 There's just no law.

00:28:14.000 They just do it.

00:28:15.000 What do you think of them spying on parents, seeing if they can find some dirt on them to take their children when a newborn is born?

00:28:23.000 Oh, you know that?

00:28:25.000 That's awful, but that's nothing new in this state.

00:28:27.000 There's stuff like that's been going on in this state for years.

00:28:31.000 And I've been thinking about moving out of here because it's really getting to be one of the worst states in the Union, in my opinion.

00:28:38.000 Michigan really is.

00:28:39.000 I mean, industry and jobs are moving out of this state in the past year at an alarming rate.

00:28:47.000 Well, according to the media, everything's wonderful.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, well, that's a big lie.

00:28:51.000 Well, there's some corporate profits.

00:28:54.000 Not everybody's laying people off, but hey, this is the global economy.

00:28:57.000 There's been an increase.

00:28:59.000 Everything has been increased.

00:29:00.000 Your fees for everything that you have to have every year have been increased.

00:29:05.000 They've got new hidden taxes everywhere you look.

00:29:08.000 They made two billion dollars a loan off the first year when they raised the cigarette tax fifty cents in this state.

00:29:15.000 Not one person, if they ain't on the welfare, has seen any benefit.

00:29:20.000 The only people that benefit from anything in this state are people on some kind of state aid.

00:29:25.000 You know, or welfare or something.

00:29:27.000 I hear you.

00:29:27.000 Thanks for the call.

00:29:29.000 You know, welfare is actually a small piece of the pie.

00:29:32.000 General welfare to the general citizens.

00:29:34.000 And it's bad because it gets you dependent.

00:29:36.000 But most of it's corporate welfare.

00:29:38.000 Most of the state and federal money goes into corporate welfare.

00:29:42.000 But the neocons, they don't want to talk about that.

00:29:45.000 They want to talk about some woman with three kids.

00:29:47.000 We'll be right back.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

00:29:55.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

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00:33:02.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

00:33:07.000 because there's a war on for your mind again my friends we have the former

00:33:21.000 defense secretary the minister of defense

00:33:25.000 He's also the former Technology Minister in Germany, up until about a year ago.

00:33:31.000 And, uh, he is André von Bülow.

00:33:35.000 Joining us, he's written a book called 9-11 and the CIA, where he lays out the facts.

00:33:40.000 It's still the best seller in Germany, by the way.

00:33:42.000 I think it's what?

00:33:44.000 Ten weeks running now, saying that the globalists carried out September 11th and laying out the evidence.

00:33:52.000 Let me see, we have the environment minister in England resigned.

00:33:55.000 Tony Blair's number three guy had said it's all lies and wrote an eight-page article for the London Guardian.

00:34:01.000 We're going to get him on, by the way, that's in the works.

00:34:05.000 Wrote an article saying if they didn't carry it out, they knew and financed it.

00:34:10.000 Now, again, they have simply looked at the facts.

00:34:15.000 It's real simple, and I would encourage all of you to do that.

00:34:19.000 We're about to go to Randall and Bob and others that are patiently holding.

00:34:22.000 The total free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.

00:34:24.000 And Andre Von Bulow is joining us in the third hour.

00:34:26.000 one and Andre Vombulo is joining us in the third hour. Hutton Gibson, been on the show before, great guy. Had a chance to

00:34:36.000 meet him down at a 9-11 Road to Tyranny showing we did in Houston.

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00:34:44.000 Before we go back to Randall and Bob and others that are holding, and more of the news, if you want to see 9-11 the Road to Tyranny, Which is the definitive work on September 11th, Oklahoma City and other government-sponsored terror events.

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00:38:09.000 I mean, my goal is to get the word out.

00:38:12.000 Let's talk to Randall in Oklahoma.

00:38:14.000 Randall, thanks for holding.

00:38:15.000 Go ahead.

00:38:16.000 You're welcome there, Alex.

00:38:17.000 How are you doing today?

00:38:18.000 Good, my friend.

00:38:19.000 All right.

00:38:20.000 Say, I've got something here I think is real interesting.

00:38:23.000 I believe it'll shed some light on what you've been saying about Mr. Bush, you know?

00:38:27.000 Yes.

00:38:28.000 And at the high school level, Five, uh, five questions to ask.

00:38:37.000 And, uh, if you would permit me, if you don't mind to, uh, to answer these, we'll... Well, we'll just elaborate on what you're saying.

00:38:43.000 Okay.

00:38:44.000 Who constructed the Berlin Wall?

00:38:47.000 What was it?

00:38:47.000 Choice number one, the Democrats.

00:38:50.000 Number two, the Republicans.

00:38:52.000 Number three, the Communists.

00:38:54.000 Well, that's pretty simple, the Communists.

00:38:57.000 Okay.

00:38:57.000 Question number two, what was the primary reason Well that is number two.

00:39:04.000 Absolutely.

00:39:04.000 are to keep people from the free world out of East Berlin or number two keep

00:39:11.000 the communists out of West Berlin in the free world. Well that it's number two. 0.96

00:39:18.000 Absolutely. Okay third one is which famous political figure said take down

00:39:25.000 this wall was it number one Ronald Reagan number two Mikhail Gorbachev

00:39:32.000 Number three, George Herbert Bush?

00:39:37.000 Well, it was, of course, Ronald Reagan.

00:39:42.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:39:43.000 Okay.

00:39:45.000 The next one is... Well, you know what?

00:39:47.000 I'll tell you what.

00:39:48.000 Just, what's the point of these questions concerning George Bush?

00:39:52.000 Well, this last question right here shows that what you've been saying is 100% correct.

00:39:57.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:39:58.000 Okay.

00:39:59.000 Uh, after the wall came down, uh, which way did most of the residents cross?

00:40:06.000 It was televised on TV.

00:40:08.000 From east to west?

00:40:10.000 Or from west to east?

00:40:12.000 Well, from east to west.

00:40:13.000 That's correct.

00:40:15.000 Now the last question, which two U.S.

00:40:17.000 presidents favor granting political asylum and or amnesty and citizenship to illegal aliens?

00:40:25.000 The choices are George H. Bush or Ronald Reagan, deceased.

00:40:31.000 Or number three, George W. Bush.

00:40:35.000 Well, Ronald Reagan's not deceased.

00:40:38.000 No.

00:40:39.000 Okay, I'm trying to understand.

00:40:40.000 I mean, obviously, George W. Bush supports it.

00:40:44.000 Absolutely.

00:40:44.000 Thank you a lot, sir.

00:40:45.000 Have a good day.

00:40:46.000 Okay, I'm not quite sure how that ties into George W. Bush, but...

00:40:58.000 Is there some tie in there saying he wants to make the Mexicans free so they can come in here? 0.98

00:41:02.000 I don't... Maybe I'm a little dense there.

00:41:05.000 Bob in Canada.

00:41:05.000 Bob, go ahead.

00:41:07.000 Good morning, Alex.

00:41:09.000 I wanted to ask... I'm thinking that if I was one of these evil globalists and I had an agenda, what I would do, if I was able, is to do weather terrorism.

00:41:23.000 You know, the HAARP project?

00:41:26.000 If I could control the weather, then it would be harder for anything to come back on me because people would say, oh, it's just an act of God.

00:41:36.000 And if there are weather disasters happening everywhere, what an excuse to bring down tyrannical laws and enslave the people.

00:41:44.000 Well, alright, look.

00:41:47.000 We know that HAARP can manipulate the weather to how widespread or Large that control is, wide sweeping, we don't know.

00:41:55.000 We know that since Vietnam, they could seed clouds and manipulate weather, and that's even on the Weather Channel now, on a show called Atmospheres, they admit it.

00:42:05.000 The military was doing some type of weather control test two years ago, they admit it caused mega Flooding in South and Central Texas killed, I don't know, it was like 30-something people.

00:42:17.000 That was quietly admitted.

00:42:19.000 But to say, oh, you know, they have these big torrential rains and mudslides because of this.

00:42:25.000 I mean, humans have always been being killed and endangered by weather and natural occurrences.

00:42:31.000 And the Earth goes through different volcanic and weather cycles.

00:42:36.000 And, you know, we just can't say that they're doing it.

00:42:39.000 So that's why I don't talk about it.

00:42:40.000 Okay, and the other question I had was, could you explain, basically, what is the Military-Industrial Complex?

00:42:50.000 Okay, thanks for the call.

00:42:51.000 That's a really good question, Bob.

00:42:54.000 The Military-Industrial Complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower talked about in his farewell address of 1960, in his farewell address he talked about how the corporations that had grown up Through World War II and the Korean War, through the funding, through the hundreds of millions of dollars of funding, had taken over almost all of the programs, research programs, universities, had bought up most of the private inventions and inventors and laboratories, and that they had centralized it

00:43:34.000 control of the brain trust of Western civilization in just a handful of companies.

00:43:42.000 And he said that that stifled competition, he said that that centralized power, and that because they now own the universities, and because the military-industrial complex was buying up ABC and CBS and NBC, which was happening right at that time, That they were going to control all the information, all the technology, and that it was, and by the way, we've aired this speech here before, that it was a foregone conclusion that martial law would be set up, because throughout history, when military industrial complexes, which they had in Germany and England, got big enough, they would always take total control.

00:44:22.000 The military-industrial complex is the big companies that were funded and financed by the big banks.

00:44:28.000 And the military-industrial complex is the spies, and the FBI, and the weapons, and the research money, and it's this web of corporate control that has quietly took control of the government.

00:44:40.000 And in 1947, with the National Security Act, they got total license to kill, total secrecy, unlimited secret funding, unlimited secret contracts to private interest, the same stuff we're seeing now with Halliburton in Iraq, on a much larger scale.

00:44:57.000 And so, that's what the military-industrial complex is.

00:45:01.000 So, who's up next, Mark?

00:45:05.000 Who should I go to next?

00:45:08.000 Michael in Texas, go ahead.

00:45:11.000 Hey Alex.

00:45:12.000 Yes.

00:45:14.000 I had a quick story for anybody who was having trouble believing about the RFID chips you were talking about yesterday.

00:45:22.000 I was entertaining a very dear childhood friend that came into Austin last night that works for Sun Microsystems.

00:45:29.000 Had a meeting with other major architects and software designers for Sun Microsystems and one of the presentations One of them held up a small vial that had about 150 RFID chips.

00:45:45.000 He said about the size of a grain of pepper.

00:45:49.000 And basically went on to say that this is the wave of the future.

00:45:53.000 So, anybody that's failing to believe about the RFID chips, that's straight from the horse's mouth.

00:46:01.000 Sun Microsystems.

00:46:03.000 You folks better wake up.

00:46:05.000 Thanks for taking my call.

00:46:06.000 Let me ask you a few other questions.

00:46:08.000 Yesterday, let me grab the article, I talked about Outdoor Life, November 2003 edition, where they're going to put microchips in the fish.

00:46:19.000 Well, they're already doing it, so then they can track and trace what you're doing and make sure you're not breaking the rules.

00:46:25.000 See, it's always to stop the criminals.

00:46:27.000 Five years ago, I saw the Walmart documents and the announcements with MIT.

00:46:34.000 That everything we buy, everything we sell, will have embedded chips that you can't get out.

00:46:39.000 Woven into the fabric, in the rubber of the shoes, in the Gillette razors.

00:46:44.000 Then last year we got the internal meeting with over a hundred CEOs and Governor Ridge in a secret meeting.

00:46:50.000 The minutes were leaked.

00:46:51.000 These are public.

00:46:51.000 These are posted.

00:46:52.000 We posted them on the website.

00:46:54.000 It even made it in a few major newspapers and Wired Magazine as well.

00:46:58.000 It is to tax and trace and control you.

00:47:01.000 It is for Homeland Security, but again, set up five years ago.

00:47:05.000 This is for the Cashless Society.

00:47:08.000 And I still get emails when I claim that Walmart's already putting these for years in most products, okay? 0.99

00:47:14.000 I get emails saying, you're a liar, there's no such thing, shut up. 0.99

00:47:18.000 Thumb scanning's good. 1.00

00:47:20.000 People out there are in total denial.

00:47:22.000 I was a liar when I warned them five years ago.

00:47:25.000 Now, it's true, but I'm a kook for being against it. 0.90

00:47:29.000 What do you say to that?

00:47:30.000 Alex, he specifically spoke about the Gillette Razor program, which you've been talking about for I don't know how long. 0.97

00:47:40.000 People have to be a fool not to believe what's coming down the pike. 0.99

00:47:46.000 The only advice I can offer is you better wake up and educate yourself, and the tapes are the best way to do that. 0.98

00:47:53.000 Thanks for the call, my friend.

00:47:55.000 The pigs, the geese, the fish, Everything microchipped.

00:48:01.000 Everything satellite tracked.

00:48:04.000 Everything.

00:48:06.000 Face scanning cameras by the millions going up.

00:48:11.000 School children thumb scanning to get school lunches, no cash allowed, being frisked.

00:48:16.000 Cameras in the bathrooms, in the school lunch rooms, in everywhere.

00:48:20.000 Just training us how to be prisoners.

00:48:22.000 The admitted plan.

00:48:24.000 The admitted plan.

00:48:26.000 is a camera everywhere you go.

00:48:28.000 It's already happened in England.

00:48:29.000 Three million in London, a million more in the rest of the country, and they say that number is conservative.

00:48:36.000 Now the New York Times reported the feds, if your child's going to graduate from high school, will have to serve their last two years, upwards of ten hours a week, at a homeland security computer in your home.

00:48:48.000 Paid for by the government.

00:48:50.000 And your child will have to sit there and watch surveillance cameras around the country and report to police what they see and quote In case your child gets lazy, the government is going to superimpose fake terrorists so clear, they can randomly insert fake video like the Running Man, and then your child, and old folks will do this too, as part of the new national draft, but it says to start out the high schools, will have to call the police, and let's say you're in Texas, you'll be tattling on somebody in New Jersey, crime, terrorism, everything.

00:49:20.000 There's terrorism and crime.

00:49:22.000 And to make sure your child's on their toes, your young person, they'll hit the button to a larger committee, they'll look at the images, hit the command of the police, the police will have a code number and go, no, this was just a drill.

00:49:37.000 And that's so sophisticated, I could talk for an hour about what that means.

00:49:43.000 This is why they've had the fake terror alerts and fake terror drills, is to create the subconscious illusion, delusion, that We are under attack.

00:49:52.000 That's what all these school shooting drills are about and everything.

00:49:55.000 It's about fear.

00:49:56.000 So, it gets everybody used to seeing terrorists that don't exist and to the concept of fake terror attacks on television feeds.

00:50:07.000 I mean, do you understand that right there, that shows they can fake video?

00:50:11.000 But number two, It acclimates everybody to terror attack, that, oh, there's this massive attack taking place, because there's no real terrorists, there's no real terror events taking place.

00:50:23.000 And then they've got a report to Homeland Security.

00:50:26.000 FEMA says that all our phones are going to start ringing with a special ring, and we're going to be criminally charged if we don't answer the phone for the automated terror warnings.

00:50:39.000 All the radio and TV stations have FEMA takeover systems in them.

00:50:43.000 Folks, this is worse than 1984.

00:50:48.000 Worse.

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00:54:11.000 Alright, there's more news coming up.

00:54:14.000 We're going to talk about different news items with Hutton Gibson.

00:54:17.000 And we have the former German Secretary of Defense, and then former head of technology.

00:54:24.000 Imagine the technology, the secret technologies that this guy's seen.

00:54:28.000 Coming on to talk about how the globalists carried out 9-11.

00:54:30.000 That's what he says.

00:54:32.000 That's what I say.

00:54:32.000 That's what the facts say.

00:54:34.000 That's in the third hour.

00:54:35.000 Right now, let's go back to the calls.

00:54:37.000 Let's talk to Larry in Iowa.

00:54:39.000 Hello, Alex.

00:54:40.000 Good to talk to you, Larry.

00:54:41.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 Uh, you know, trying to wake up a few people and, uh, you know, just casual conversations and, and I think one of the best ways is, uh, let me preface what I'm saying by saying that I have nothing against, uh, Mexicans.

00:54:57.000 Uh, my, my half brother is, you know, half Mexican.

00:55:02.000 Uh, but this is, uh, something that affects everybody because it's, you know, right, you know, they're around us, you know, in our communities and, uh, this guy, I did not believe that there's a Social Security office in Mexico City.

00:55:21.000 And, you know, I was trying to tell him about the eventual Pan-American Union, and this is one of the facts that are one of the building blocks to that eventuality.

00:55:32.000 Yeah, that's public.

00:55:34.000 And I'm a little nervous here.

00:55:36.000 So he denied that, of course.

00:55:38.000 Well, he wanted proof, which is, you know, encouraging, you know.

00:55:43.000 Well, you go to a search engine and you type in, uh, Mexicans to be paid social security in Mexico, and about 500 mainstream news articles will pop up.

00:55:53.000 Type in Pan-American Union, Union of American States, uh, you know, One Union, American Union, hundreds of mainstream news articles will pop up.

00:56:02.000 Yeah, I'm not too adept at computers.

00:56:04.000 I mean, you know what I mean?

00:56:06.000 A little out of loop on that.

00:56:08.000 I don't know what rock your friend's hiding under.

00:56:10.000 I mean, this has been all over the news how wonderful it is.

00:56:13.000 Well, you know, it's the preoccupation that has surrounded us for, lo, these many socialist years where, you know, the only thing we have to do is, you know, work harder to pay our bills and, you know, what can we do to rail against the system, you know?

00:56:33.000 That type of malaise, you know?

00:56:35.000 Well, I mean, the majority of Californians are against giving illegals driver's licenses, but Arnold doesn't care.

00:56:40.000 Bush doesn't care.

00:56:41.000 He comes out with the biggest amnesty in U.S.

00:56:43.000 history and says it's not an amnesty.

00:56:45.000 Certainly your friend knows about the amnesty, or does he deny that, too?

00:56:49.000 Well, yeah, he knows about that, but, you know, these people, they just don't, uh, They don't connect the dots.

00:56:57.000 Well, you know what?

00:56:58.000 I would suggest that you not cast your pearls before swine.

00:57:01.000 Right.

00:57:02.000 I would move on.

00:57:03.000 I've got a sneaking suspicion you can give that guy all the news articles you want, he'll come up with new excuses to be lazy.

00:57:09.000 Yeah.

00:57:10.000 Good propaganda just plays to our own laziness.

00:57:15.000 One thing I wanted to say about the technology that's now, you know, becoming pervasive, I think, These people, these globalists, are smart people from, you know, from way, way back, you know, centuries ago, and the technology is catching up with their philosophy and techniques.

00:57:36.000 They know about brainwashing techniques and mass propaganda, only they haven't had the machinery to do it.

00:57:44.000 Well, they've got more sophisticated ways to do it now, and you're absolutely right.

00:57:48.000 Thanks for the call.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:57:50.000 Newbutt, good to hear from you.

00:57:53.000 We're going to go on a break here in a minute and come back with Hutton Gibson, so you don't want to miss this.

00:57:59.000 Talking about secession from the Union, the national draft, the war on terror, then the German, the former German Secretary of Defense, the Defense Minister is their term for it, coming up in the third hour.

00:58:12.000 We'll also take calls for Hutton Gibson as well in this next hour at 1-800-259-9231.

00:58:20.000 And then I'll get into the UN Resolution to Globalize Gay Rights, Halliburton to return $27.4 million to government.

00:58:26.000 Oh, they get tens of billions, get caught scamming, then they get a little bit back.

00:58:30.000 Oh, they're good, see?

00:58:31.000 They've been punished.

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00:58:36.000 The Scotsman.

00:58:38.000 firms announced deeper job cuts in January.

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00:58:42.000 And, uh, well, there's a lot more coming up.

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01:00:18.000 Welcome, my friends.

01:00:20.000 We're now into the second hour of this February 4th, 2004 edition.

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01:00:35.000 Coming up in the next hour, we have the former Secretary of Defense, they call that their Defense Minister, for Germany.

01:00:43.000 And up until last year, in his second post, he's been in the German government since the 1970s, in Helmut Kohl's government, and now in Gerhard Schroeder's government.

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01:01:06.000 Andres von Bulow, For this hour, I am honored to be joined by Hutton Gibson, who has a great mind.

01:01:14.000 I mean, he was the national champion in the late 60s of Jeopardy, folks.

01:01:20.000 And that's how he moved with his family to do organic farming in Australia.

01:01:24.000 And he's got 11 children, one of them, of course, Mel Gibson, who has the passion coming out here in just a few weeks.

01:01:31.000 But he's here to join us today about a riveting speech he gave going over the right of secession of the states and how that could be a good thing.

01:01:39.000 And also we'll talk about the upcoming draft, the lies concerning Iraq, the new wars they've got publicly planned, and a lot more.

01:01:49.000 Joining us is Hutton Gibson.

01:01:51.000 Hutton, great to have you on the show.

01:01:52.000 Good to be here.

01:01:55.000 Hutton, you gave a speech a few weeks ago and I had a chance to talk to folks that heard it and said it was pretty good.

01:02:03.000 Go over secession and what that means.

01:02:08.000 Well, you have to ask, can we afford a lunatic government? 0.92

01:02:16.000 You know, and it is lunatic when it taxes its own to support foreigners and in general to go out of its way to To wage wars, undeclared wars. 0.79

01:02:34.000 The thing here is that secession was treated by the Founding Fathers.

01:02:41.000 They left it in there.

01:02:43.000 And the fact that it did not succeed in 1861 to 1865 is merely a matter of who had more banks and who had more soldiers and more munitions.

01:02:59.000 it was perfectly legal and uh...

01:03:04.000 they can at one time in prison to you maryland legislature so it couldn't succeed

01:03:12.000 uh... anyway it did you know that the week before

01:03:18.000 nine eleven new hampshire into other states

01:03:22.000 had their counties and their select men preparing to withdraw from the union

01:03:28.000 The counties from the states, under their Article 10 right to revolt in that particular state, And then suddenly the attacks took place and that didn't happen.

01:03:36.000 Arizona almost passed a law, it passed a committee to pull out of the union if quote, a new world order is declared or if gun confiscation begins.

01:03:46.000 If the federal government goes bad, it is our right, it is our duty to pull out of the union and then reconstitute the states as a more perfect union.

01:03:55.000 Is that historically accurate, Hutton?

01:03:57.000 Yeah, well there's one more thing.

01:03:59.000 They said if the Constitution were set aside, And it has been.

01:04:04.000 I mean, they've got all that they need right now, if they wish to succeed.

01:04:10.000 Arizona, that is.

01:04:12.000 Absolutely.

01:04:13.000 That's right.

01:04:14.000 The third thing was that the Constitution was set aside, and we know under Patriot Act 1 and 2 and Homeland Security, that has indeed happened.

01:04:20.000 Well, it's been set aside many years by the surrender of delegated powers.

01:04:32.000 By the federal government.

01:04:33.000 That's about it.

01:04:34.000 Yes.

01:04:34.000 we're gonna be right back and we'll talk about that. Was it 1913?

01:04:37.000 Yes, about it. Yes. Was it 1933?

01:04:40.000 Both. Yeah, it just gets worse and worse as we take more steps down the stairway

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01:08:35.000 We're going to be talking today about secession from the Union, how it's a good thing, and I agree it needs to happen. 1.00

01:08:42.000 By as many states as possible, because this is an illegitimate government in Washington.

01:08:46.000 Then we'll get into the national draft, and the war in Iraq, and a little bit into the passion as well, because Hutton has been blessed enough to see it months ago, and I can't wait till I get to see it in theaters in a few weeks when it opens.

01:08:59.000 Hutton, again, I mean, your memory's better than mine.

01:09:02.000 Talking about the Arizona law that passed committee He had the State Rep on a few years ago about this, and she actually woke up because of Police State 2000, that was interesting.

01:09:15.000 She got it passed out of committee, didn't pass the full legislature, to pull out of the Union if a new rule order is declared, gun confiscation begins, and I had forgotten, you're right, the third part, if the Constitution is set aside, and you're right, in 1913, it's not just the 16th Amendment with the IRS, the 17th Amendment, Taking our senators from the states, making them creatures of the federal government, how important is that?

01:09:44.000 They were sent there in the first place as the state's ambassadors to keep a check on the federal government, to see that the representatives in the other house didn't run away with the place.

01:09:55.000 And they're then placed, instead of the state ambassador checking on the other, they're Put in the same election.

01:10:07.000 Put in the popular election where they don't belong.

01:10:11.000 And answerable to the people rather than to the state government.

01:10:15.000 And to the people in this case means the political party in charge.

01:10:21.000 Well, it's just like the Roman Senate, when it got corrupt, they set themselves up as petty dictators, and now they put all the power in the federal government, whereas before, they were creatures of the legislature that was elected by the states, showing that the federal government was only a unit of the states.

01:10:41.000 Yes, it delegated very little.

01:10:46.000 But, like any tyranny, it simply absorbs everything it sees.

01:10:51.000 Sets up unconstitutional corporations, like health education and welfare.

01:10:59.000 Duplications and triplications of stuff done at local and state levels, where nobody's benefit except to get its own oar in and, say, control the schools so that the people come out of there Having no idea what are their rights, or what is their history.

01:11:22.000 And very little of what is their language.

01:11:26.000 Absolutely.

01:11:27.000 In the speech you gave to the American Free Press, Hutton, I mean, there's so many points I could bring up.

01:11:33.000 Can you elaborate on some of the key issues and facts that you brought forward?

01:11:39.000 This was at the We the People conference.

01:11:43.000 In Arlington.

01:11:44.000 It wasn't to the American Free Press.

01:11:46.000 Okay, well I know the American Free Press reported on it and some of them were there.

01:11:49.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 So anyway, uh... Well, uh... You've got to, uh... figure that they are taxing you and they're misinforming you and so on, but mostly they are encroaching on your rights.

01:12:07.000 And with penalties.

01:12:09.000 I mean, you send somebody to Congress and what does he do?

01:12:12.000 He represents you?

01:12:14.000 Well try and get him, get hold of him and see what he can do.

01:12:18.000 He just does what the party tells him.

01:12:24.000 We have taxes coming and we've got no representation.

01:12:31.000 We've got this revolutionary slogan, which is always true.

01:12:37.000 Taxation without representation is tyranny.

01:12:43.000 Well, absolutely.

01:12:43.000 And now they're coming out with all these new taxes, Hutton, and... Hey, they've got a tremendous tax coming up.

01:12:51.000 They're talking about the draft again.

01:12:53.000 This is the ultimate tax.

01:12:56.000 Nobody owes the government his life to go somewhere else.

01:12:59.000 To defend this country is the only excuse they could have for a draft. 0.98

01:13:03.000 And by the way, you're a veteran of the Pacific yourself in World War II.

01:13:06.000 Right.

01:13:09.000 So...

01:13:11.000 And then when we got home, you know, the whole army, I think, pretty well was disgusted with the results.

01:13:20.000 We come home after winning a war, supposedly started over the liberation, or the invasion of Poland, and where was Poland after this?

01:13:31.000 Handed over to Soviet Russia.

01:13:33.000 Everything was given to the Communists. 0.80

01:13:36.000 And it was not as though we had to do it.

01:13:38.000 They were there, they were Of course, only because we had built them up.

01:13:46.000 Here we go in a war and see it given away.

01:13:50.000 Is that when you started to wake up, Hutton?

01:13:53.000 No, I was awake a little ahead of that, but that certainly helped along.

01:13:58.000 What woke you up?

01:14:00.000 Oh, just things like how we got into World War II.

01:14:07.000 Now, Hutton, Looking at 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, the private banks taking over, taking our senators, making them their own power in Washington, basically destroying states' rights at that point, 1933 War Powers Act, 1947 National Security Act, 2001 Patriot Act I, 2002 Homeland Security, 2003 Patriot Act II passed.

01:14:26.000 2001 Patriot Act 1, 2002 Homeland Security, 2003 Patriot Act 2 passed.

01:14:33.000 I mean, we see it accelerating, intensifying.

01:14:37.000 We have every right to secede, and that's the only thing at this point is getting control of the states

01:14:44.000 and reinstituting our Republican form of government.

01:14:47.000 Do you agree with that?

01:14:49.000 Now there's one thing about it.

01:14:49.000 Yes, I do.

01:14:51.000 We have every right to secede and it should be done bloodlessly.

01:14:56.000 But nothing else is going to be bloodless.

01:14:59.000 We're either going to have a revolt in this country from what they're doing to us or We're going to submit and be subjected to a terror.

01:15:11.000 Like the French Revolution, like the Russian Revolution, like Pol Pot, like Mao Tse Tung. 0.79

01:15:17.000 Every place these people set up, we have a terror.

01:15:21.000 They just go out of their way to kill people as principle of the, you know, the mother comes in and says, uh, if my boy disobeys in school, slap the child next to him.

01:15:31.000 That will, uh, get him under control.

01:15:34.000 That will scare him. 0.98

01:15:36.000 So you kill the guy next to you, and then you're under control. 0.99

01:15:40.000 That is to say. 0.97

01:15:41.000 That is the essence of the Red Terror. 0.85

01:15:44.000 Yes.

01:15:44.000 And of course, communism is a creation of the Illuminati, of the New World Order, and there's, I mean, Hutton, cameras in school bathrooms, cameras in our neighborhoods, our cell phones tracking us, microchips going into everything.

01:16:00.000 What is it like for you in the scope of your life to see this happening in America?

01:16:06.000 It's one of these things.

01:16:10.000 I see it, but I don't believe it.

01:16:12.000 How could it happen? 0.99

01:16:14.000 Only through... And if you say plot, you're crazy.

01:16:19.000 It has to be a plot.

01:16:23.000 Well, the EU was calling for a new world order yesterday, but we talk about a new world order and it doesn't exist.

01:16:30.000 Well, it's a funny thing.

01:16:32.000 We've had people calling for a new world order.

01:16:36.000 Paul VI go to the United Nations and say that it was the last Pope of the world.

01:16:41.000 Now, what kind of nonsense is that?

01:16:44.000 The man that's supposed to be the head of a religion that has always claimed it's the only Pope of the world.

01:16:50.000 Well, the Pope John Paul, the current Pope, said three weeks ago, we need a new world order.

01:16:55.000 That's what he said.

01:16:56.000 He said that.

01:17:00.000 And he didn't say it just once.

01:17:03.000 We also have the Protestant leaders supporting the Patriot Act, supporting the New World Order, saying we're not Christian if we don't support... We've already gone to Iraq, that's a fraud.

01:17:13.000 Now they say they're going into Syria and Iran.

01:17:15.000 We have their own public documents.

01:17:17.000 They want to start this national draft.

01:17:20.000 What do you think about that?

01:17:23.000 Well, you have to have a war so you can have a draft, don't you? 0.91

01:17:28.000 So they're going to keep on manufacturing wars, and they're going to say, well, we have nobody here.

01:17:33.000 Well, that's the trouble.

01:17:34.000 We have nobody here.

01:17:36.000 And then when the UN decides it's time to jump on us, the UN, of course, being the creature of the New World Order characters, we will have nobody here to defend us.

01:17:48.000 We'll have foreign troops in here. 0.95

01:17:51.000 By the way, that's official, Hutton.

01:17:52.000 I'm sure you've seen all the articles.

01:17:54.000 They're admitting they're going to, quote, use foreign assets to keep us safe.

01:17:58.000 Didn't the British use German soldiers to, quote, keep us safe in 1776?

01:18:02.000 They did, yes.

01:18:03.000 But, there's one thing, I just skipped my mind for a second.

01:18:12.000 I'll get it back.

01:18:14.000 But, you know, secession will allow If the governor takes over the control of his state, or if several states get together and form a new kind of union, with the privilege of secession, which is a gun which should have been on the federal government at all times, but has not been since the Civil War, they will be able to withdraw their citizens from the armies.

01:18:47.000 Get them back home, where they belong.

01:18:52.000 Well, I mean, the Declaration of Independence says that if the government gets corrupt, this is what we're supposed to do, is dissolve the government, and then have the states set up another government of the people's choosing.

01:19:04.000 But, I mean, I guarantee you, if states try to secede, the feds are going to get violent real quick, Hutton.

01:19:11.000 Yeah, but, as I say, if we can do it without blood, it can be done.

01:19:19.000 People will just stick to it.

01:19:23.000 So we've got to take over the counties and the cities, then the states, and start having some of the states secede.

01:19:32.000 All of them, hopefully.

01:19:34.000 Because if you sit there, you know, here we have this tremendous federal debt that no one can possibly pay.

01:19:41.000 And of course, it's fiction.

01:19:43.000 It's bankers' bookkeeping.

01:19:44.000 You bet.

01:19:45.000 Hutton Gibson, stay there.

01:19:46.000 We'll come back and talk more about it and take calls.

01:19:48.000 We'll be right back.

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01:23:55.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:24:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:24:08.000 Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

01:24:13.000 In the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared.

01:24:16.000 In time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

01:24:23.000 And a real patriot for this republic is Hutton Gibson.

01:24:27.000 Hutton, you know, you've been around 85 years.

01:24:31.000 And you have 11 children and just scores of wonderful grandchildren.

01:24:36.000 And you've seen the mutation, the falling away, America turning into this high-tech police state.

01:24:42.000 You know, there's now... I'd said there were nine bills to reinstate a draft.

01:24:47.000 There's now two more, so that's eleven.

01:24:49.000 Two of those eleven will be drafted 18 to 49.

01:24:54.000 Most of us will have to serve here domestically in tattletailing, federal neighborhood watch, kind of East German type Stasi.

01:25:04.000 I mean, they're really shutting this up.

01:25:07.000 From your historical research, what does it mean when the government even drafts middle-aged people and makes them dig ditches and tattle on neighbors?

01:25:14.000 Is that a good sign for the country?

01:25:17.000 Not very good.

01:25:20.000 They don't even put the out-of-work people to work in this country, which they do in other countries.

01:25:31.000 They say, well, these people have nothing to do.

01:25:34.000 We can't feed them.

01:25:35.000 Put them to work.

01:25:39.000 And now they're talking about concentration camps, Hutton, in the mainstream media.

01:25:43.000 How good these are for us.

01:25:45.000 Oh yeah.

01:25:46.000 That'll keep us from having to walk to work.

01:25:49.000 Or drive to work.

01:25:52.000 Whatever the work is.

01:25:54.000 Which I'm sure will be essential.

01:25:57.000 Because the government says it's essential.

01:26:00.000 By the way, England and Europe, the whole Western world is passing these laws and setting up secret arrest of citizens.

01:26:08.000 What do you think about the Patriot Act?

01:26:10.000 I mean, isn't that a good reason to secede from this false government?

01:26:14.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:26:17.000 Even more though, the public debt.

01:26:22.000 It's self-perpetuating through the abusive money system, through banks rather than through answerable governments.

01:26:31.000 Well, you made that point before we broke for the last segment.

01:26:34.000 You're absolutely right.

01:26:35.000 I mean, the Federal Reserve is a fraud.

01:26:37.000 They design it to get us into debt.

01:26:40.000 We don't really owe this money.

01:26:41.000 Can you elaborate on that for us, Hutton?

01:26:44.000 No, they're not our debts.

01:26:45.000 We never assumed them.

01:26:47.000 We're entitled to a governmental debt-free money system.

01:26:52.000 Money is nothing more than an instant barter.

01:26:56.000 But the banks issue money unusually.

01:27:00.000 If the government wishes to continue to enrich suppliers of money, which it should itself supply, why do we care?

01:27:09.000 The government exceeded its competence in relinquishing a delegated power.

01:27:14.000 If I borrow your lawnmower, for instance, and sell it to my boss, it still belongs to you.

01:27:20.000 If the states delegated the regulation of money to the federal government, The federal government cannot sell this power to its bosses.

01:27:28.000 It can return only to the delegates.

01:27:32.000 And thus, it's not one wit to vote out the men in charge.

01:27:35.000 The debts will remain.

01:27:36.000 So we must abolish the debtor, that is, the government itself.

01:27:40.000 Well, that's clearly what the 9th and 10th Amendments say, that the power resides with us, but you know that they're enforcing their power at the barrel of a gun.

01:27:49.000 How do you see us peacefully getting states to secede?

01:27:52.000 I mean, the feds would have trouble attacking Arizona if they did secede, or New Hampshire.

01:27:58.000 I guess we've just got to start the ball rolling to lobby to have this happen.

01:28:01.000 How would that process take place?

01:28:05.000 Well, hopefully you can get enough people to see that this is their way out of terrible debt.

01:28:13.000 They've got this debt hanging over them, imposed by, you might say, a foreign power.

01:28:20.000 That's what our government is these days.

01:28:21.000 It's a foreign power. 0.99

01:28:22.000 It has nothing to do with us, except to tax us.

01:28:27.000 And it taxes... It's a treasonous outfit.

01:28:29.000 It throws all our manufacturing capacity Out of the country.

01:28:35.000 So we can't go to war.

01:28:38.000 Hitler was afraid to go to war with us.

01:28:41.000 Because we had this tremendous manufacturing potential.

01:28:45.000 We could do anything.

01:28:47.000 It's gone.

01:28:48.000 It's all out of the country.

01:28:50.000 And the government has done this.

01:28:54.000 Well, it's clear, Hutton.

01:28:55.000 America is being set up for a fall.

01:29:01.000 If we go to war, We have to depend on enemies or potential enemies to supply us with the sinews of war.

01:29:11.000 We don't even have spare parts for our tanks anymore.

01:29:15.000 You're absolutely right.

01:29:16.000 I want to come back and get a little bit more We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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01:33:08.000 what does it mean to be an american I'm...

01:33:15.000 America, the United States is America because we have a Bill of Rights, we have a Constitution, we can own guns, we can own land, we run our own lives, we don't have a government that spies on us, we are the government.

01:33:28.000 Look around you, that's not America today, and we're not just not America, we are a wicked, corrupt police state.

01:33:36.000 A decadent, wicked society. 0.73

01:33:38.000 And it's getting worse by the millisecond.

01:33:41.000 If you say you love America and have got American flags all over your car, you need to know what the Bill of Rights and Constitution is.

01:33:48.000 And if you do know what the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution states, and if you do know history, and if you do love America, you would demand that we abolish this alien, corrupt corporation, this organized crime syndicate That is the so-called federal government.

01:34:06.000 The National Security Dictatorship.

01:34:09.000 Hutton Gibson, I got a call in the last hour and the man was saying, what is the military-industrial complex?

01:34:15.000 Do you have a good definition for us of this crime syndicate that's now running things and wants our sons and daughters for its meat grinder?

01:34:23.000 The word is tyranny.

01:34:27.000 simple as that.

01:34:34.000 The, uh, you know, if a state

01:34:38.000 wants to, then it should

01:34:42.000 protect its unborn.

01:34:45.000 Why does it have to listen to a Supreme Court, which is an agency which is supposed to rule

01:34:50.000 on constitutionality of laws?

01:34:53.000 Thank you.

01:34:55.000 And nothing else.

01:34:56.000 No one else gave them any more than that.

01:34:58.000 They simply go ahead and legislate by themselves.

01:35:03.000 They have set up Things like a bunch of extortionists and they call them the IRS by their approval or refusal to see a suit which wants their constitutional status determined or they will allow the government to tax the citizen with his service

01:35:31.000 and steal him away, if he gets by the abortion murderers and grows up to the age of twenty or so, they'll

01:35:39.000 take him off and throw him in a war somewhere. 0.83

01:35:44.000 And if they don't get him with the with the enemy's bullets,

01:35:48.000 they'll have him misfire somewhere and get him with their own, like say with the

01:35:52.000 vaccinations.

01:35:54.000 Uh...

01:35:57.000 You know, When you look at these things, you start to wonder how.

01:36:02.000 Am I crazy? 0.81

01:36:06.000 Or is the government just crazy? 0.98

01:36:09.000 Well, we've got a bunch of criminal control freaks running things, Hutton. 0.99

01:36:17.000 And again, for those that have studied history, this is the norm.

01:36:20.000 America was different because we didn't go along with this.

01:36:24.000 And as you said at the start of the interview, the education is designed to dumb our children down.

01:36:30.000 So that they will accept this whole system.

01:36:33.000 And look, the Supreme Court has said, people didn't believe me five years ago when I was reading their rulings, but in the last year they've seen fit to tell us that, oh yeah, we follow the UN and the foreign court's orders, we follow their precedence, so the Supreme Court is ignoring the states, which are the body of the people, representative, but they're going to go over to Europe where they're is no freedom

01:36:59.000 but the magna card is being thrown out from twelve fourteen

01:37:03.000 uh... they're trying to go twice for the same crimes getting rid of juries

01:37:07.000 and that's where they're getting their rulings now from hot money

01:37:11.000 that's gotta be a wake-up call that all the supreme court uh... it follows what the u n says now

01:37:19.000 and people uh... on the

01:37:22.000 grand jury will

01:37:25.000 say, well, this guy must be guilty or they wouldn't bring the charges against him.

01:37:30.000 Instead of throwing the case out. 0.74

01:37:33.000 Or almost any kind of a ridiculous charge.

01:37:39.000 Well, judges will tell juries how to rule. 0.89

01:37:42.000 They're not supposed to do that.

01:37:43.000 No, it's none of their business.

01:37:46.000 And again, folks, being in America means you're in power.

01:37:50.000 That's why the jury and the grand jury makes the decisions.

01:37:53.000 Not the prosecutor, not the judge.

01:37:55.000 Incredible.

01:37:56.000 You know, Hutton, before we go to these calls, you've been taking action for decades.

01:38:01.000 And you've got a great newsletter.

01:38:03.000 You've got a great documentary where you go into the corruption in the Catholic Church.

01:38:09.000 You do such great work.

01:38:12.000 And at the same time, Hutton, you're also involved with Pastor Butch Paw and others.

01:38:19.000 Thirty-plus states are already putting Bibles back in schools. 0.99

01:38:22.000 How many people knew that?

01:38:24.000 This great literary work, even if they say you can't have religion in the schools, they put Harry Potter and humanism in there.

01:38:31.000 They even put the Koran in there.

01:38:33.000 They make the kids in California worship Allah and the five pillars.

01:38:37.000 That's mainstream news.

01:38:38.000 But you're involved in getting Bibles back in churches. 0.98

01:38:41.000 I mean, Bibles there too.

01:38:43.000 Bibles back in schools. 1.00

01:38:46.000 Tell us about that, because, I mean, everybody should get involved in this.

01:38:50.000 Yes.

01:38:52.000 It is a study.

01:38:54.000 I mean, this is our culture.

01:38:57.000 And not only that, it's some of the noblest writing You can never run across.

01:39:06.000 And people are simply told that you can't have this school.

01:39:11.000 But it is!

01:39:12.000 It can be done.

01:39:14.000 All you do is call it a study.

01:39:18.000 People are allowed to bring in... They're not proselytized in any way.

01:39:23.000 They are put in touch with some of our complete background.

01:39:33.000 The whole doggone Christian world respects the Bible, and a lot of people read it. 0.74

01:39:40.000 Now here we have a chance to get a generation which is miseducated, put them into a position where they can learn at least their history, and other history, Middle East history, and how to speak, and how to think.

01:40:02.000 Now, at 85, you travel around, give speeches, write a newsletter, do radio interviews.

01:40:09.000 You're fighting for this country.

01:40:10.000 I don't know what excuse people have out there.

01:40:12.000 They say, oh, I'm too young, I gotta party, or, well, I'm retired, I don't have a responsibility.

01:40:17.000 Do we all have a responsibility, Hutton, to stand up for this country?

01:40:21.000 We have if we intend to live right, but we cannot, you know, we're here to save our souls, and we can't do it in slavery.

01:40:31.000 We have to be free agents, responsible for our own actions.

01:40:37.000 We have personal responsibility.

01:40:40.000 And I have responsibility to my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.

01:40:45.000 Hutton, how do people get involved and help get Bibles back in schools? 1.00

01:40:50.000 Well, there's a lady in North Carolina. 1.00

01:40:55.000 Have you spoken to her, Elizabeth Ridenour?

01:40:57.000 No, but I've talked to Butch yesterday.

01:41:00.000 I'm going to get her on the show.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, that would be the way to do it.

01:41:03.000 I don't have the figures right at hand.

01:41:05.000 I'd have to jump to the other room.

01:41:07.000 But, no, that's exciting that you're going to be traveling around giving some speeches.

01:41:12.000 Butch was telling me 30 plus states already have Bibles in many of their schools.

01:41:20.000 I think he said 36.

01:41:20.000 Is that the right number?

01:41:22.000 I don't know.

01:41:24.000 He was telling me that.

01:41:25.000 You know, talking about Christianity, the Bible being under attack, Did you hear me yesterday read that Paul Harvey article?

01:41:34.000 Yes, I did.

01:41:35.000 I didn't read the whole thing.

01:41:36.000 I know you've read it.

01:41:38.000 But, I mean, he said if we can't have a movie about Christ, we are in a lot of trouble.

01:41:42.000 And he's right.

01:41:43.000 We are in a lot of trouble.

01:41:47.000 Yes.

01:41:48.000 We have the tail wagging the dog, as usual.

01:41:52.000 But I think it's backfiring on those that didn't want this film to be seen.

01:41:56.000 I think it's backfired on them.

01:41:57.000 I think more people are going to see it now because of their attempts to frustrate its release.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, everybody now wants to see it because it's a controversial item.

01:42:09.000 We need a little excitement sometimes in our lives.

01:42:14.000 You've seen one of the earlier cuts of it, and you told me it was the most powerful film you've ever seen.

01:42:22.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:42:24.000 People I've talked to that have seen it have said the same thing.

01:42:26.000 I mean, people that aren't even Christians, and now they're thinking about becoming Christians.

01:42:29.000 What a wonderful work your son's doing.

01:42:31.000 And at the same time, Paul Harvey said that it was as powerful as the birth of his first child.

01:42:37.000 That's amazing.

01:42:41.000 It is very powerful.

01:42:43.000 I mean, you come out of there, you're not looking to tag anybody for blame.

01:42:50.000 You say to yourself, I did that to my guy.

01:42:58.000 Unbelievable.

01:42:58.000 You know, Hutton, it shows what what uh... what we can do work straight and strong and

01:43:05.000 upright and and and your life is really been a testament to that you have done so

01:43:09.000 much for your life to enrich our lives

01:43:12.000 and uh... it's it's it's so exciting we got a bunch of phone calls here hudon

01:43:16.000 anything else you'd like to go over for you know the calls no i don't think so

01:43:25.000 Just that we have to do something about this government.

01:43:29.000 And if it goes, the Supreme Court goes with it, the Congress goes with it, the Executive Department goes with it, the Treasury, everybody else.

01:43:37.000 The whole thing goes!

01:43:39.000 We don't have to worry about them anymore.

01:43:41.000 We set up separately.

01:43:43.000 That's the way they started.

01:43:45.000 And then gang together when they're out of the way.

01:43:49.000 And you know, we have to dare to think like that.

01:43:51.000 We have to make that decision and start pushing for it, setting up committees of correspondence in all 50 states to move to restore the Republic.

01:44:04.000 Hutton, in the past, you have told us how we can get a copy of your newsletter That's put out periodically.

01:44:13.000 It's excellent and covers a lot of events and things that are happening in the world and what's going on with the corruption of the Catholic Church.

01:44:21.000 Would you like to give folks an address or tell folks how they can get that?

01:44:25.000 Sure.

01:44:25.000 I'm at 141 Irish Street, Summersville, West Virginia.

01:44:35.000 The letter is mostly plain India and it's almost all On the situation in the Catholic Church and how it has varied from what it has been for 19 centuries.

01:44:49.000 But now and then we let a little politics into it.

01:44:53.000 Not too often, but... Well, again, folks, the address to get a copy of this is 141 Irish Street.

01:45:04.000 Summersville, West Virginia, and what's the zip code?

01:45:11.000 26651.

01:45:11.000 How much is it?

01:45:12.000 Five dollars a year.

01:45:13.000 I don't guarantee any number of issues.

01:45:16.000 When I get postally correct, that is, enough to fit under one stamp, I put it out.

01:45:23.000 Usually four times a year.

01:45:26.000 Five dollars, folks, to, uh, it's interesting information, 141 Irish Street, Summersville, West Virginia, 26651.

01:45:36.000 And, uh, Hutton, you already get mail from all over, don't you?

01:45:40.000 Oh, yes.

01:45:42.000 Almost too much.

01:45:43.000 All right, before we get 100 calls here at the board, I want to tell folks the address one more time.

01:45:48.000 141 Irish Street, Summersville.

01:45:51.000 That's spelled like the season.

01:45:53.000 Summersville, West Virginia, 266-51.

01:45:57.000 And that's how you get involved.

01:45:59.000 All right, let's go to Calls Hutton.

01:46:00.000 He should probably be all over the map.

01:46:03.000 Who's up first, Mark?

01:46:04.000 Who should I go to first?

01:46:05.000 Who in Pennsylvania?

01:46:07.000 Nick in Pennsylvania.

01:46:08.000 You're on the air.

01:46:09.000 Go ahead.

01:46:10.000 Hi, this is Nick from Pittsburgh.

01:46:13.000 Thanks for taking my call.

01:46:16.000 I finally got broadband, so I've been listening to you every day.

01:46:19.000 I just wanted to comment.

01:46:22.000 I actually changed my original comment.

01:46:24.000 I finally heard.

01:46:25.000 Okay, what's your comment?

01:46:27.000 Well, the Catholic Church.

01:46:30.000 I went to Catholic school my entire life, and from second grade on I was an altar boy until I graduated.

01:46:37.000 Every couple of months or so, after becoming an Alderboy, the priests and deacons of the local church would gather us Alderboys together and let us know that, you know, hey guys, we're going to have a big shortage of priests in the years to come, so anybody who's remotely considering being a priest, please become a priest.

01:46:56.000 So, back in the early 70s, there was a huge, huge push For any older boys or anybody to become a priest.

01:47:03.000 So, in my opinion, that's why any of these scandals or any charges that have been leveled against any priest, that these bishops, all they would ever do is just, you know, shuffle the bishops off to another location or another congregation.

01:47:20.000 Now, that's how corruption works.

01:47:21.000 You cover it up.

01:47:22.000 It's how the police departments have gotten corrupt.

01:47:25.000 They cover up little corruption and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:47:29.000 Hunt and comments.

01:47:30.000 Well, one reason for this terrible depravity among the clergy, and it's not all of it by any means, but too many, far too many of them, and it's because there's no more grace.

01:47:43.000 They've stolen the Mass and the Sacraments from the Church.

01:47:46.000 Exactly.

01:47:47.000 They left in 1969.

01:47:50.000 Right.

01:47:51.000 As I've seen firsthand, you know, the push for pushing us all into the clergy is they didn't have enough priests.

01:47:57.000 So if they fired everybody who was ever accused of any improprieties, they wouldn't have enough priests to run the congregation as it was, you know?

01:48:05.000 They don't have.

01:48:06.000 They're not getting anybody.

01:48:07.000 Right.

01:48:07.000 So they couldn't fire them all.

01:48:11.000 They wouldn't have the income coming in, so they'd chop it down and hope for the best.

01:48:17.000 Thanks for the call, sir.

01:48:18.000 Let's talk to Bob in New Hampshire.

01:48:20.000 Bob, go ahead.

01:48:21.000 You're on the air.

01:48:23.000 Alex?

01:48:24.000 Yes.

01:48:25.000 Oh, actually, I'm in Idaho.

01:48:27.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:48:27.000 I was told New Hampshire.

01:48:28.000 It's a pleasure to be on your show, especially with Hutton.

01:48:31.000 I want to congratulate you on both your longevity on earth and your raising of a fine young man who knows the truth.

01:48:39.000 And God grant you many years of I'm a pious and attentive Catholic and I've come to the realization, as has Hutton many years ago, that there are some serious problems with the Catholic Church.

01:48:53.000 As Hutton has pointed out, they date back to Vatican II.

01:48:57.000 The infiltration of Freemasonry into the Catholic Church cannot be overlooked. 0.55

01:49:03.000 Hutton is right.

01:49:03.000 It is about salvation of souls.

01:49:06.000 Every Christian should know the truth about what's really being implemented here.

01:49:09.000 A New World Order based on Freemasonry, a New World Order, secular New World Order, which has as its fundamental goal is to subvert every form of society with this New World Order. 0.85

01:49:24.000 I know Hutton knows about this.

01:49:25.000 Hutton, have you ever heard of a man by the name of Dr. James Wardner?

01:49:30.000 I've got a book or two by him.

01:49:32.000 Have you seen his tape, The Communist Well, I'm not going to get the tape because I know all about it.

01:49:41.000 I've been studying this now for at least 35 years.

01:49:43.000 as well as several other kids i'm not going to get a comment from hotmail what you said i

01:49:49.000 didn't well uh...

01:49:52.000 i'm not going to get the tape because i don't want i've been studying this now for

01:49:57.000 at least thirty five years well i ran into it in the catholic schools in australia

01:50:05.000 my children are going to the schools and i had to take them out

01:50:08.000 yes i did too the same time I've seen the same thing both in the Catholic Church and, of course, the public schools don't follow any type of moral guidelines whatsoever.

01:50:17.000 They've intentionally subverted that.

01:50:18.000 The public schools are preparing our children to be slaves.

01:50:21.000 Thanks for the call.

01:50:22.000 Thank you.

01:50:23.000 We're going to break, come back, take a few more calls for Hutton Gibson.

01:50:26.000 And then we've got the former German Defense Secretary.

01:50:30.000 Coming on the show to talk about, well, how the Globalists pulled off 9-11. 0.88

01:50:34.000 Oh, you don't want to miss this either.

01:50:35.000 Hutton, one final segment.

01:50:36.000 It's been so good to have you with us.

01:50:38.000 Stay there, my friend.

01:50:39.000 We'll be right back.

01:50:40.000 We'll make a few more calls for Hutton Gibson.

01:50:43.000 Any questions or comments you have, stay with us.

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01:54:05.000 Alright, we've got loaded phone lines.

01:54:06.000 We've only got Hutton Gibson, Father Mel Gibson by the way, for another five minutes or so.

01:54:13.000 And we've got the German Secretary of Defense, former Secretary of Defense and Technology coming on to talk about who carried out 9-11.

01:54:22.000 This will be very interesting.

01:54:24.000 Right now, let's try to go to these calls quickly.

01:54:26.000 We're going to have Hutton back on, by the way, in the next few weeks to talk about corruption in the Catholic Church.

01:54:30.000 He just agreed to do that.

01:54:31.000 We appreciate it.

01:54:32.000 Let's talk to Ida in Nebraska.

01:54:34.000 Ida, you're on the air.

01:54:35.000 Go ahead.

01:54:36.000 Gibson, please go farther back than 1913.

01:54:43.000 Go back to Abraham Lincoln.

01:54:46.000 I believe he suspended the Constitution because Even though we've been told that the Civil War was over slavery, it was actually because the southern states were going to secede because of the heavy hand of government.

01:55:01.000 Well, that's what Hutton was just saying.

01:55:02.000 That's historical fact.

01:55:04.000 It was about controlling their own destinies, Hutton.

01:55:06.000 Right.

01:55:08.000 Yeah.

01:55:08.000 Correct.

01:55:10.000 And it would take nothing for the states to cc because they already have their own constitutions.

01:55:16.000 But we have to educate the general public on this to have that process take place, and Hutton Gibson and myself can't do it alone.

01:55:23.000 You're absolutely right.

01:55:24.000 We're all in this war together.

01:55:26.000 Thank you for taking my call.

01:55:27.000 Thank you, Ida.

01:55:28.000 Good to hear from you.

01:55:29.000 You know, that's an important point, Hutton.

01:55:31.000 Everybody's got to be a leader in this fight.

01:55:35.000 You know, you've got to figure that way.

01:55:39.000 Because you don't know who else is around.

01:55:43.000 Absolutely.

01:55:44.000 It's one of these things.

01:55:44.000 Somebody has to do it.

01:55:46.000 And that's it, folks.

01:55:47.000 Let's talk to Clinton Missouri.

01:55:49.000 Clinton, you're on the air.

01:55:49.000 Go ahead.

01:55:53.000 I'd just like to echo what your last caller said.

01:55:57.000 Yes, go back to Lincoln and also recognize that Hamilton and Clay also wanted to centralize the government banking and whatnot.

01:56:08.000 Lincoln's the only one that got accomplished because he did it by the barrel of a gun.

01:56:11.000 Well, they tried to assassinate Andrew Jackson seven times, the British banks did.

01:56:17.000 Didn't they, Hutton?

01:56:18.000 I never heard seven, but they got him once, dearly.

01:56:22.000 But I'd also like to add that the only way this government will be fixed, if you will, is your right by succession, and that must start with state sovereignty.

01:56:35.000 Could I give you my organization's website?

01:56:37.000 Oh, sure.

01:56:38.000 Plug away. 0.96

01:56:38.000 That's what we do. 0.96

01:56:40.000 Okay.

01:56:40.000 It's League of the South.

01:56:43.000 www.dixienet.org and read about the session.

01:56:48.000 Alright.

01:56:48.000 Thank you for the call.

01:56:49.000 I appreciate it.

01:56:50.000 Let's go ahead and talk to... Who's up next, Mark?

01:56:56.000 Chip in Ohio.

01:56:56.000 Go ahead.

01:56:57.000 You're on the air.

01:57:00.000 Go ahead, Chip.

01:57:01.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:57:02.000 Hello.

01:57:02.000 Yeah, I was... That's fine.

01:57:05.000 You're on the air.

01:57:05.000 Go ahead.

01:57:06.000 Just a couple of comments.

01:57:08.000 I was at the We the People conference that Mr. Gibson was a guest speaker at.

01:57:13.000 Did a fantastic job.

01:57:15.000 Got a rounding ovation.

01:57:17.000 But there's a couple of interesting things.

01:57:22.000 One, these people's approach is so critical and so important and it's just a tragedy that the press is blacking them out on what they're doing and trying to accomplish because their whole thing is we've got to stop feeding the beast.

01:57:36.000 And what they've been able to accomplish is simply truth in taxation.

01:57:42.000 If you don't answer our questions, we have a First Amendment right of redress of grievance, which says we have a constitutional right not to pay taxes.

01:57:52.000 Well, that's it, and that's what they've tried to do.

01:57:55.000 Thanks for the call.

01:57:56.000 Hutton, absolutely, the IRS is a fraud.

01:58:00.000 Final comments?

01:58:03.000 After that, you hardly have to say anything.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, it is definitely a fraud.

01:58:10.000 And it is an extortionist.

01:58:14.000 Absolutely, Hutton.

01:58:15.000 It is the enemy.

01:58:16.000 Or part of the enemy.

01:58:17.000 One of the major parts of the enemy that will go if we secede.

01:58:24.000 All right, well, Hutton Gibson, we'll be talking to you in a week or so here on the show, and God bless you.

01:58:28.000 Thank you very much.

01:58:29.000 Same to you when you're listening.

01:58:31.000 You bet. Take care. There goes Hutton Gibson, a great American.

01:58:34.000 You can write to him at 141 Irish Street, Somersville, West Virginia, 26651.

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02:00:08.000 All right, my friends.

02:00:10.000 We're already into the third and final hour of this global transmission against tyranny.

02:00:16.000 And in the last hour, we had Hutton Gibson, expert on the New World Order, and of course, Father Emel Gibson on, talking about the different key issues.

02:00:26.000 In this hour, we're joined by Andres von Bulow, and he was the Federal Minister of Defense, or the equivalent of our Secretary of Defense, been in the German government since the 70s, and up until just a few years ago, he was also the Minister of Technology, and he's written a book that, according to Reuters, is the bestseller in Germany, that translates into 9-11 and the CIA.

02:00:53.000 And he's not the only German minister that has said that we're looking at world fascism here, and powerful military-industrial complex institutions engineering terror attacks to scare us into submission.

02:01:07.000 And Andres von Bulow, we are so honored to have someone of your stature and obvious intelligence and your courage on this show.

02:01:18.000 Thank you for joining us.

02:01:20.000 Hello, this is Fabulo speaking, yeah.

02:01:24.000 We're going to break here in a few minutes and come back in a longer segment, but for those that just joined us, tell us a little bit more about yourself and then your book, please.

02:01:33.000 Well, I have been 25 years in politics, now I am out.

02:01:41.000 In the end, I was Minister of Technology before I was Secretary for Defense.

02:01:50.000 And then I had a deal in a commission about the East-West transactions about the secret service of East Germany.

02:02:01.000 And this was a very interesting inside story.

02:02:07.000 Because on the Western side, on doing deals between East and West, and violating the laws of economics in Germany, in the European community, and the United States, It was always two parts which were dealing between East and West and this brought me a lot of insight in the Secret Service business.

02:02:36.000 In fact, I remember reading about the huge investigations you did.

02:02:39.000 That was massive international headlines concerning the SCSI.

02:02:43.000 And how different governments have actually been working with these people.

02:02:47.000 And if you'd like, you're welcome to get into that as well.

02:02:50.000 Again, folks, the equivalent of the Secretary of Defense, Minister of Defense in Germany, and then, of course, Technology, the head of that.

02:02:59.000 Just absolutely amazing.

02:03:02.000 Your best-selling book, and I wish there was an English translation, because I would certainly buy one, My wife does read German, but please tell us about your book.

02:03:16.000 Well, I was writing another book, and then 9-11 happened, and it was strange to me watching.

02:03:27.000 Well, we all were horrified what was going on, and we said, well, it's impossible, and how can a crew of people manage to do such things?

02:03:40.000 At the first hours we didn't know who was it.

02:03:44.000 Then within hours came out that probably Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was behind that. 0.73

02:03:52.000 And then within two or three days these 19 people came out.

02:03:58.000 And my objection was, or my Looking at it, to whom make it bring good?

02:04:09.000 And I found out that it's rather damaging to the Islamist world. 1.00

02:04:19.000 And, uh, perhaps it might be not only a terrorist attack, perhaps it might be a covert operation.

02:04:27.000 And I watched the scenery going on, what the American, uh, government is... Uh, Minister, Minister, we've got a break.

02:04:34.000 We'll be back in three minutes.

02:04:36.000 Absolutely, we'll go into this in great detail.

02:04:38.000 We're honored to have you.

02:04:40.000 We're talking to Andres Von Muehle.

02:04:41.000 We'll be back.

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02:07:53.000 That's right, my friends.

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02:07:59.000 I am so honored to have on Andres von Bülow, former German Defense Minister, head of their Defense Department, and then, of course, just a few years ago, the head of their technology system, which is a very high-level post, just as high-level as the Defense Minister in Deutschland.

02:08:17.000 And he's written a best-selling book.

02:08:19.000 I've read some of the quotes out of it that have been translated into English.

02:08:24.000 And the title translated is, 9-11 and the CIA.

02:08:27.000 And he lays out the evidence of the military-industrial complex carrying out the attacks.

02:08:31.000 Also, we're lining up for the show Michael Meacher.

02:08:35.000 And he, of course, was the British Environment Minister who resigned over Tony Blair's fraud, and has written articles saying if the globalists didn't carry the attacks out, they certainly funded and allowed them to take place.

02:08:50.000 So, if you've got a brain and look at the evidence, it's clear, and Minister von Bülow, a very intelligent individual, has gone over this.

02:08:58.000 So, sir, you said that On the day of the event, you began to look at it, you began to research it, and from your specific expertise of intelligence and military and technology, you know, heading up entire sectors of the world's third largest economy, please discuss for us your research and how you wrote the book and what really happened on 9-11.

02:09:24.000 At 9-11 I just watched the scenery, and I said, well, there must have gone something very wrongly, in the wrong way.

02:09:36.000 And I watched the TV, for example, and in the same minute where the TV showed the planes driving into the World Trade Center, You found these Palestinians dancing and laughing and a few days later one could find out that this was a fake. 1.00

02:10:04.000 It was made by a TV crew of the Defense Ministry in Israel and they gave candies to the people and they laughed about it and nobody told it and the question for me was Who brought this TV stuff right in time into the international networks like CNN and CBS and so on and so on?

02:10:28.000 And then we looked for the... and then the story came up, this has been done by Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda and these were 19 people of Muslim background which did this.

02:10:45.000 And then you could watch at the passenger list, and nobody showed up.

02:10:51.000 Not one Arabic name is showing up there.

02:10:55.000 Then one is interested to see videos, because all these 19 passengers must have passed the video, a lot of video cameras in these three airports.

02:11:07.000 In Dallas, I think, and Newark, and in Logan in Boston.

02:11:11.000 And in Portland, in the North, and you don't get this stuff.

02:11:18.000 Then we are looking for the black boxes, we don't get them.

02:11:23.000 Then the story how these World Trade Centers broke down, they were constructed against an approach by airplanes.

02:11:35.000 The firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning.

02:11:43.000 And the fire commander said, well, I need two teams more to fight these fires, and then it's finished.

02:11:51.000 So the heat, it's impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media.

02:12:00.000 And then, and then, The Feds declared that all the firefighter tapes had malfunctioned.

02:12:07.000 Turns out that wasn't true.

02:12:09.000 We got copies of them.

02:12:10.000 And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out.

02:12:13.000 Others are almost out.

02:12:15.000 There's video of people standing in the holes in the buildings with no fire around them.

02:12:23.000 We're going to go over the evidence that's in your book, sir, and why you came to these agitated conclusions.

02:12:29.000 But first, I wanted to ask you, have you heard the new developments?

02:12:34.000 The owner of the World Trade Center slipped up on TV and said that they blew Building 7 up, the 47-story building that wasn't even hit by an aircraft.

02:12:45.000 This just broke two weeks ago.

02:12:46.000 Have you heard this?

02:12:47.000 You're sure I have heard this?

02:12:49.000 I follow the whole scenery.

02:12:52.000 You know, normally it's not coming out in Germany, it's coming out in your country.

02:12:58.000 And it's a fascinating background to research via internet, because all this stuff is broadly spread over the internet.

02:13:09.000 So it's very easy to follow, but in the main media you don't get a yoda about this.

02:13:15.000 Well, I'll tell you what, later in this hour, it's only three minutes of audio clips, We will air from the PBS documentary, America Rebuilding, where they admit they blew up WTC7.

02:13:24.000 Now that's important because they said that building fell from fire, even though it wasn't hit by a plane, and now he slips up and says, we decided to demolish it on 9-11, but then the mainstream media just ignores that.

02:13:38.000 I mean, this is a public admission, sir.

02:13:40.000 Yeah, especially because the CIA headquarter in New York was within this building and i think uh... the uh...

02:13:50.000 uh... how do you call it uh... the emergency center for the governor or

02:13:54.000 another the major mail may or may not have a lot of uh...

02:13:58.000 in this building so um...

02:14:01.000 and it was not hit by a plane and the fire was very low and the surrounding steel constructions uh... well left

02:14:10.000 over They didn't collapse, but the building number 7 collapsed in the late afternoon at 5 o'clock, I think.

02:14:18.000 Well, from our internal sources, they were running the attack, sir, out of the building, and so conveniently got rid of the evidence in one fell swoop.

02:14:27.000 This is one theory.

02:14:28.000 It might be.

02:14:29.000 It's convincing, but one has to get the whole proof.

02:14:33.000 But the problem is that the elements for proof are destroyed.

02:14:38.000 Also... You find them in Japanese cars and in ships of the American Navy.

02:14:45.000 Also, sir, we have Norad standing down for an hour and 25 minutes, but when the golfer Payne Stewart went off course for 15 minutes, he was surrounded in 18 minutes by five F-16s.

02:14:57.000 Why did Norad stand down?

02:15:00.000 Well, this is a big question, because it happened in 2001, I think, more than 60 times.

02:15:10.000 That fighter went up to clear what has been done to airplanes which showed some irregularities.

02:15:22.000 At 9-11, four planes for two hours were able to drive around, fly around, even one hour going in direction to the west, then turn around and then come back.

02:15:37.000 And the military air force was not able to interdict them.

02:15:45.000 It's unimaginable.

02:15:47.000 And the whole story is totally unclear what happened between the Federal Aviation Agency and NORAD.

02:15:55.000 Absolutely.

02:15:56.000 Now, I don't know if you've seen the Associated Press, but the CIA was running a drill 15 miles from the World Trade Centers that day, applying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.

02:16:06.000 My sources inside the Pentagon, the lawyers who represent them, have said on this show that they were told to stand down because it was, quote, just a drill.

02:16:15.000 That's how you get the good military to stand down.

02:16:17.000 You tell them, oh, it's just a drill, and that drill was going on at 8.30 in the morning.

02:16:22.000 Is that not obvious, sir?

02:16:24.000 It's quite obvious, yeah.

02:16:27.000 It's so strange.

02:16:28.000 And the most strange thing for me is that after two years you don't have a white book which is documenting everything.

02:16:35.000 If you are looking for the timetable, for example, you have to make a medium between two or three or five newspapers and radio and TV announcements.

02:16:49.000 So, everything is unclear.

02:16:52.000 On the other hand, the American government is running, as they call it, a world war against possibly 16 nations without showing what really was the background of 9-11.

02:17:05.000 For me, it's impossible.

02:17:07.000 Now, by that, they admit that 9 of the 19 hijackers, the BBC says 7, but it's 9 who are still alive.

02:17:14.000 Bin Laden has not been convicted.

02:17:16.000 Bin Laden's known CIA.

02:17:18.000 You've got Bush meeting with the, have the Bin Laden family that morning in D.C. 0.90

02:17:22.000 at the Rich Carlton.

02:17:23.000 You've got the General of Pakistan, the head of their intelligence, meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence Committee at 8.30 that morning.

02:17:30.000 His second trip in his life to the United States.

02:17:34.000 You've got the FBI paying for the houses, the cars, the credit cards of the supposed hijackers.

02:17:40.000 I mean, sir, you've got public officials, Mayor Willie Brown, Joint Chiefs of Staff, told not to fly to New York that day.

02:17:48.000 What do you say to that?

02:17:48.000 That's all admitted.

02:17:50.000 It's all admitted.

02:17:52.000 So for me, since the official version is not credible at all, it's totally incredible, The second solution is a covert operation.

02:18:05.000 And this is a way to influence, to brainwash the American people into a long, long ongoing conflict with the Muslim world in order to get, to bring For example to the oil companies, the last oil reserves which we need for the next decades before finally the oil age is going out and probably behind this is a philosophy of geopolitical thinking that finally China has to be taken up and China is too big and you have to be able to 0.94

02:18:49.000 This is put down in the idea of a new American Century, which has been written by a lot of people which are now in government, like Cheney, like Rumsfeld, and others.

02:19:02.000 Now, sir, we've got a break.

02:19:04.000 We're going to get into the project for the American Century, Operation Northwoods. 0.62

02:19:07.000 Are you aware of the U.S.

02:19:09.000 government plan to carry out 9-11 style attacks?

02:19:13.000 You mean in Northwood?

02:19:16.000 Yes, sir.

02:19:17.000 You're sure I know?

02:19:18.000 Is that not a key piece of evidence?

02:19:20.000 Well, this is a key piece of evidence of the thinking of the military, probably in a dialogue with the politics.

02:19:29.000 Finally, I think Kennedy decided not to do it.

02:19:33.000 But it was... I think all of the... Stay there, we've got a break.

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02:23:54.000 For the rest of the hour, we're honored to have Andres von Bulow, former Defense Secretary and then, of course, former head of technology, Department of Technology, in Germany.

02:24:05.000 And he just got out of government a few years ago.

02:24:07.000 He's written a best-selling book, 9-11 and the CIA.

02:24:10.000 We have info on that at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

02:24:17.000 We'll also be posting this interview on the website here in the next few days as well.

02:24:23.000 There's so many facets of this.

02:24:26.000 Mr. Vombulo continuing With the process of you waking up to what happened on 9-11 and researching it, what are some of the other key points that clearly show that it's impossible that these 19 people did this?

02:24:40.000 We know that's a fraud.

02:24:42.000 The conspiracy theory is to say they did it alone.

02:24:45.000 From your intensive research and your understanding of high-level government activities, what do you think really happened on 9-11?

02:24:55.000 Well, nobody can prove what has happened directly, because if it has been a covered operation, then you don't find proofs.

02:25:08.000 You will find only indications.

02:25:11.000 And one of the indications is, the indication that everything is right with these 19 people in Osama Bin Laden, Is that the government is free to show all the proof which is on the table, which is on the street, which lays on the ground of World Trade Center and so on and so on. 0.90

02:25:35.000 If you have a covered operation, the probability is always that the left over pieces of proof are taken away immediately and a lot of secrecy is, a band of secrecy is taken over everything and this has happened with 9-11.

02:25:57.000 Well that also happened, were you aware in the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune reported this in 93, the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the driver, had an Egyptian security agent doing it for him, had two retarded Muslims, literally retarded, drive the truck and park it, let the bombing go forward, In Oklahoma City, the same company that destroyed the remnants of the World Trade Center blew up the remnants of Oklahoma City, had that buried under machine gun guard at a private landfill to this day. 0.92

02:26:27.000 They hold the rubble away from the WTC complex to China.

02:26:31.000 They wouldn't let you take photographs.

02:26:33.000 Yes, exactly.

02:26:36.000 At the beginning, the engineers were not allowed to go to the steel process and so on.

02:26:46.000 They had a lot of problems and there was very scarce money.

02:26:50.000 You know, to clear up the story of Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, the Republican majority gave out 60 millions of dollars.

02:27:02.000 Boy, I think even 17 it's now.

02:27:05.000 And then they started with $600,000 to try to find out what happened in 9-11.

02:27:11.000 And they were taken away from doing research and so on and so on.

02:27:20.000 And they are upset.

02:27:21.000 And the fire engineer magazine is saying, well, it's totally, totally unbelievable what happened with this.

02:27:30.000 uh... this uh... examination of nine eleven well they say it's a criminal cover-up and uh... now sir we've turned into a police state they can secretly arrest citizens secretly execute us they're building admitted prison camps all over the country this is in our news uh... i mean we're turning into something like the soviet union here i can't comment on this but uh... what's going on in guantanamo is like that I think, and the problem is, if you put people away, like in Guantanamo on Cuba, if you take them away for one or two years without letting a lawyer do them, without showing them what you are reprising to them, without having contact with families, finally they tell in all court processes

02:28:24.000 Well, sir, our mainstream news says torture is good, and they say they are torturing people.

02:28:31.000 That's the Washington Post.

02:28:32.000 you behave like that our mainstream news says torture is good

02:28:36.000 and they say they are torturing people that's the washington post is that a

02:28:41.000 concern that our government and now admits they're torturing

02:28:44.000 uh... i'm i'm informed that i don't know whether they are torturing the kind of

02:28:50.000 of uh... of uh...

02:28:52.000 keeping them is a kind of a torture

02:28:55.000 but uh... i'm i'm told that uh... there is an agreement with a lot of states to

02:29:00.000 send these people for example to egypt or to other states where torture is

02:29:05.000 accepted and uh...

02:29:07.000 is done and uh... then you get the uh... the The final outcome out of this torture and you can produce this in German before German courts or American courts and try to bring about Final judgment.

02:29:24.000 Well, that's it.

02:29:25.000 We'll be back long segment coming up and we'll get more into your book We're honored to have you Andres von Buelow.

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02:32:54.000 Alright folks, we're talking to Andres Vambulo, and to make this clear, up until about, what, two years ago, he was the head minister over the Department of Technology, and before that, in the parliament, he was the head of his parties group on defense.

02:33:14.000 Now, We're going to take calls coming up here in a few minutes.

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02:35:08.000 during the break and I said, what are some of the other key points that you'd like to

02:35:17.000 You mentioned the CIA and insider trading and the anthrax attacks.

02:35:22.000 Please discuss it.

02:35:24.000 Well, the inside trading, everybody knows that there were news about insider trading.

02:35:34.000 I think altogether about $15 billion.

02:35:40.000 And there was speculation about the going down of United Airlines and American Airlines, both airlines which were touched by 9-11 and other things.

02:35:55.000 And so normally you could find out because I think the American, the CIA together with the financial department, the treasury, They developed this FinCEN watching the markets to find out speculations about going on terrorist attacks.

02:36:24.000 So they could immediately find out there's something going on and they could find out.

02:36:29.000 And in this case, in 9-11, the NSA people, which are the guys watching via satellites, the whole transactions going on on Earth, they said, they told The people to destroy the tapes.

02:36:47.000 They had tapes about this interior trading and they said we have to destroy them.

02:36:52.000 So they are not there any longer for proof.

02:36:55.000 Now again, interior trading, that's a good term for it, insider trading or interior trading going on here.

02:37:04.000 And 15 million dollars, I think that's a low estimate.

02:37:07.000 It came out the first week.

02:37:08.000 Germany reported on it.

02:37:10.000 France, the US. 0.92

02:37:10.000 Oh, we're going to catch them. 0.92

02:37:12.000 Record put options against United and American.

02:37:15.000 Not against other airlines, but specifically against these.

02:37:18.000 And it led back to the CIA.

02:37:20.000 Suddenly they destroy the evidence.

02:37:22.000 Again.

02:37:23.000 Again.

02:37:24.000 Another smoking gun.

02:37:25.000 Then you get into anthrax attacks.

02:37:27.000 Bush on Cipro.

02:37:29.000 The most weaponized anthrax ever seen.

02:37:31.000 Tell us about that.

02:37:33.000 Well, there the question just is, who has the responsibility for this?

02:37:38.000 Because, you know, it overlaid the whole public debate, what was the background and the reason for 9-11, for weeks.

02:37:48.000 Because these attacks were going on for weeks and weeks and weeks.

02:37:52.000 And finally nothing came out.

02:37:56.000 We have no report on who was responsible, who did it.

02:38:00.000 And this, again, is amazing.

02:38:03.000 I think it belongs probably to the cover-up, the psychological cover-up of the whole scenery.

02:38:11.000 And then the Vice President and the President asking the Congress not to go too much into detail about the background of 9-11.

02:38:22.000 What does this mean?

02:38:23.000 And then, until now, what the President knew before 9-11 is a total secret.

02:38:32.000 I think there is no secret service around the world which gave not hints to the American the circuit service community, the CIA, the DIA and so on

02:38:43.000 and so on, they did nothing out of it.

02:38:46.000 And the most disturbing thing is that these guys which knew about something about coming up 9-11,

02:38:54.000 they were cut out before. I mean the local level, the regional level of the FBI offices,

02:39:03.000 they knew quite a lot and they tried to force the central, the 0.88

02:39:10.000 The central organization to go into the details about Arabs taking lessons in flight schools and so on, and the guy who decided on top, I think it's the second man within the FBI, he told, no, we don't do this, and he got promoted after 9-11.

02:39:28.000 By the way, the U.S.

02:39:31.000 embassies that allowed supposed al-Qaeda back in, Got record cash bonuses.

02:39:37.000 The FBI agents that ordered other FBI agents not to stop Al Qaeda, they got bonuses.

02:39:43.000 Bush signed W199I months before 9-11, ordering the FBI not to stop Al Qaeda.

02:39:51.000 They threatened to arrest FBI agent Robert Wright if he tells us what he knows.

02:39:55.000 I've interviewed his lawyer, David Shippers, who knew about the attacks beforehand.

02:39:59.000 He went to Bush.

02:40:00.000 Bush wouldn't talk to him.

02:40:01.000 Ashcroft Wouldn't talk to him.

02:40:04.000 And you said something very astute, sir.

02:40:08.000 You talked about the anthrax being a psychological cover-up of the scenery.

02:40:13.000 That is, all these questions in the early days coming out about 9-11 got blacked out by the anthrax attacks.

02:40:20.000 And that's absolutely why that happened.

02:40:22.000 And we've tracked that back to Fort Detrick, Maryland.

02:40:25.000 And they said it wasn't weaponized anthrax.

02:40:28.000 It turned out it was the most weaponized anthrax ever seen.

02:40:33.000 Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

02:40:35.000 And then the wars which were reasoned to be as fights against terrorism.

02:40:43.000 uh... the war against afghanistan to put out the taliban uh... it was decided long before and uh... i think it's

02:40:50.000 true and before before nine eleven

02:40:53.000 uh... uh... the afghanistan government another not the pakistan government and

02:40:59.000 uh... indian government was uh...

02:41:01.000 there were two was told that uh... there will be uh...

02:41:04.000 intervention in october And also, 44,000 U.S.

02:41:08.000 troops, 18,000 U.S.

02:41:10.000 troops were in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

02:41:13.000 Bush had the battle launch orders on his desk two days before 9-11.

02:41:17.000 Yeah, that's exactly... And I want to digress, sir, back to torture for a minute because you have impressed me by how... I mean, you know so much about this.

02:41:26.000 You've researched it so well.

02:41:28.000 On the torture issue, General Rick Baucus Quit Guantanamo because he quote refused to torture the people there and the CIA section chief bragged in the Washington Post that they fly them to foreign countries and the CIA tortures them themselves.

02:41:46.000 So they do admit the torture.

02:41:52.000 Sure.

02:41:53.000 I can't, I can't comment on this.

02:41:55.000 It's, it's, it's obvious.

02:41:57.000 And all the, all the court proceedings against, for example, Maasai, I think it was the 20th, normally supposed to have in each, each aircraft five hijackers, and one was taken into prison by the FBI before

02:42:21.000 and then the process was made I think in Alexandria in Virginia

02:42:26.000 and the judge said well if you don't give the proof by by these guys who run Al Qaeda as the government is telling

02:42:37.000 if you don't give this people for cross-examination

02:42:41.000 then I can deliver a judgment.

02:42:44.000 The same is true in Germany.

02:42:45.000 We have some people which are related to Al-Qaeda, or probably Al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda is probably an artificial The nomination of very loose elements of Islam people.

02:43:06.000 In Hamburg, the trials are failing because the American government is not delivering the proof.

02:43:17.000 Absolutely.

02:43:18.000 And look, we've had military officers, many others on.

02:43:22.000 It's clear, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation, a foggy boogeyman, so the military-industrial complex can carry out attacks, and then pin it on them.

02:43:32.000 And we know, I mean, when bin Laden blows up a building, supposedly, our government pays their family to rebuild it.

02:43:40.000 I mean, there's the payoff right out in the open.

02:43:46.000 The whole background, the whole personal, like Bin Laden, like Al Qaeda, like Taliban, even Saddam Hussein, these are all figures which were handled by CIA in former times.

02:44:02.000 So probably they are recycled in the system now as bad guys.

02:44:07.000 Before they were the good guys, uh... taking away the russians out of afghanistan and uh... 1.00

02:44:14.000 dealing with this and getting money for that paid for this

02:44:18.000 uh... and now they are they are used for for as as bad guys and

02:44:23.000 uh... the or somebody that has been uh... i think in uh...

02:44:27.000 in uh... ninety five

02:44:30.000 uh... in the balkans uh... uh...

02:44:32.000 the in a in operation where the americans where are with the you check

02:44:37.000 UKG in Albania.

02:44:40.000 You find these guys all over.

02:44:42.000 You find them in Chechnya, for example.

02:44:49.000 And these are also former Afghanis, as they are called.

02:44:54.000 And they are driving the global play of secret services, of CIA for example.

02:45:02.000 Absolutely, and then they provide the crisis so the big brother can provide the police state solution.

02:45:09.000 Andres Vambulo, it's clear that if we do not expose who at least stands to gain from the terror and who was involved in it, that is the large financial interests that own our government, they're going to be able to use America as the engine for quote, imperial mobilization and world domination, as Brzezinski and the PNAC documents and others have said.

02:45:30.000 How important is it To expose this for the future of free humanity?

02:45:37.000 I think it's for everybody outside of the United States it's extremely important because it's a question whether democracy will survive and the state of law is kept up or we are driven by public relation and financial interests and the main thing I think for the Americans is Who pays for all this?

02:46:02.000 Because if the oil companies get more cheap oil and make their money out of it, the American taxpayer has to pay for the military machine.

02:46:15.000 Not the oil companies are paying for that.

02:46:18.000 Not the military industrial complex is paying for it.

02:46:23.000 It's the American taxpayer.

02:46:24.000 So it's extremely important.

02:46:27.000 Absolutely, and now we are paying record amounts for fuel, for petrol, Mr. Vombulo, in this country while they have record supplies and the oil companies are posting record profits.

02:46:42.000 I want to get into WTC7.

02:46:45.000 Because I want people to hear these clips.

02:46:46.000 This is from the PBS documentary, and this will just take a minute, sir, and we'll get your comment on it, where they describe how Building 7 fell, how they removed it first after it fell because, quote, nobody died in it.

02:46:57.000 And then it's the owner, Larry Silverstein, saying that they pulled it, gave the order to demolish it, on the afternoon of September 11.

02:47:06.000 So, Mark, go ahead and hit that clip for us, please.

02:47:10.000 Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.

02:47:16.000 Located north of the slurry wall, seven had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.

02:47:22.000 And there had been no bodies to recover.

02:47:28.000 Pelted by debris when the north tower collapsed, seven burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.

02:47:38.000 I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

02:47:45.000 I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.

02:47:48.000 I think the smartest thing to do is pull.

02:47:51.000 And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse.

02:47:58.000 We made the decision to pull, and then watched the building collapse.

02:48:01.000 Now here's Dan Rather, seconds after it collapses, replaying the collapse of 7.

02:48:06.000 And this is what Dan Rather had to say, then we'll get Von Bielow's comment.

02:48:10.000 Go ahead and hit it.

02:48:11.000 What you're seeing are high shots.

02:48:14.000 Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.

02:48:18.000 Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.

02:48:23.000 It's amazing.

02:48:25.000 Amazing, incredible picture work.

02:48:28.000 For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before, when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

02:48:40.000 Now, again, the seismographs show multiple explosions.

02:48:44.000 The firefighters were told to get back.

02:48:47.000 Vambilo, how important is this piece of evidence?

02:48:53.000 The explosions?

02:48:54.000 Well, sure, you know, the government has to explain it.

02:49:01.000 They have to prove their case.

02:49:04.000 They have to prove their conspiracy theory about these 19 Muslims under the direction of Osama Bin Laden. 0.72

02:49:11.000 That's not my business.

02:49:13.000 My question is only, if there are explosions, is this true?

02:49:21.000 Can it be that the heat out of kerosene is able to destroy these huge buildings in a manner that they are collapsing in a symmetrical fall?

02:49:38.000 In a very short, in a few seconds, they broke together.

02:49:44.000 It's nearly impossible.

02:49:46.000 And so everything which is on the table is telling that the government story is not true.

02:49:57.000 And that must be another story.

02:49:59.000 There must have been explosions.

02:50:01.000 And if there are spikes on the geological institutions in five states, 2.2 on the Richter Scala, then you have to find out what's the background.

02:50:17.000 And five or seven days later, the temperature on the On the ground where 500 degrees or a little bit more, or 450.

02:50:28.000 Huge, if it's only five flowers which were destroyed and where the fire was burning.

02:50:38.000 And the whole building, more than 100 floors.

02:50:41.000 We've got a break.

02:50:42.000 We'll be right back.

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02:53:41.000 We're talking to Andres Von Bulow.

02:53:59.000 A minister at the highest levels of the German government.

02:54:01.000 His last post as the head of technology.

02:54:05.000 And I know we've got a lot of callers.

02:54:06.000 We only have time to take one or two from Dan in Oklahoma.

02:54:10.000 I just want to commend Andres Von Bulow for writing his book, 9-11 and the CIA.

02:54:17.000 And I would hope that a publisher in the U.S.

02:54:19.000 would get it translated and published here, because I would definitely carry it.

02:54:22.000 You can find information on the book for those that read and speak German at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

02:54:31.000 Andres Rambullo, let's take a call.

02:54:33.000 Let's talk to Dan in Oklahoma.

02:54:36.000 Dan, you're on the air.

02:54:37.000 Go ahead.

02:54:37.000 Thanks, Alex.

02:54:39.000 Mr. Rambullo, my question is, following this disaster of 9-1-1, I understand Germany, France, and Russia why they didn't want to get involved because of the money that they had invested in Iraq.

02:54:54.000 With the military-industrial complex like it is, what do you understand the new world order to be, especially since they said they could use this event of 9-1-1?

02:55:03.000 Who are the forces behind government-sponsored terror?

02:55:09.000 Who are the forces behind government-sponsored terror?

02:55:12.000 I didn't understand this.

02:55:13.000 Well, we know there's this global government now forming.

02:55:16.000 We know powerful financial interests are engineering terror attacks.

02:55:19.000 Who are the forces behind the military-industrial complex?

02:55:25.000 Well, there's always an interest in, if you look at the munition factory, as I observed

02:55:34.000 in the East-West conflict or in the Near East conflict, they are always trying to sell their

02:55:39.000 material to both sides.

02:55:42.000 And they are always interested in conflict.

02:55:46.000 And they would like, after the breakdown of the Soviet Union, the normal thing would be 0.78

02:55:52.000 that we cut down this military-industrial complex, which costs the American taxpayer

02:56:00.000 a huge amount of money.

02:56:02.000 And exactly at the same time that the Soviet Union is breaking down, this new terror thing comes up. 0.58

02:56:08.000 And the first terrorist attacks were, I think, the World Trade Center One, where you found out that the leading guy of this bomb building, this was at this time an agricultural bomb, he was immediately going to the FBI and telling them, I tell you everything about this.

02:56:29.000 And they agreed about that finally 24 hours before the attack in 1993 they would change the powder, the dangerous powder against an undangerous powder.

02:56:46.000 And the FBI didn't come up Yeah, they cooked the bomb and trained the drivers, and that's another path scene.

02:56:53.000 A thousand people were inflicted, and six people were dead.

02:57:00.000 In Oklahoma, you had nearly the same thing.

02:57:03.000 You had two attacks.

02:57:04.000 One was of perhaps McNay and this other guy, but there was another attack much more stronger

02:57:14.000 than this agricultural bomb and there is an American general and an Air Force general

02:57:19.000 who headed for I think 10 years or 15 years an explosive institute and he said never could

02:57:27.000 this agrarian bomb bring about such a damage. 1.00

02:57:33.000 There must be something else and they found that within the building there were demolition charges.

02:57:40.000 Absolutely.

02:57:41.000 Dan, thanks for the call.

02:57:43.000 I hope we can get you on in the future again.

02:57:45.000 Andres Ramulo, you've been so kind.

02:57:47.000 You have such amazing courage to stand up and tell the truth, and we've been honored to have you on the show from Germany.

02:57:54.000 God bless you.

02:57:56.000 Thank you.

02:57:57.000 Thank you very much.

02:57:59.000 Have a good evening.

02:58:00.000 Folks, we're out of time.

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