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00:00:31.000 Another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.

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00:00:38.000 It is Monday, the 16th day of February 2004.

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00:01:02.000 In the third hour of the show, I've got Hutton Gibson coming back on the broadcast.

00:01:06.000 We had him on a few weeks ago and an hour wasn't enough time to go over the state of affairs in the world.

00:01:14.000 Hutton Gibson is an expert, he's been exposing it for decades, on the takeover of the Roman Catholic Church by the forces of the New World Order.

00:01:22.000 We'll be talking about that and other issues in the third hour today.

00:01:28.000 Coming up here in about ten minutes, Texas Church tries guns for roses on Valentine's from ABC News. 0.99

00:01:37.000 They got people to turn their guns in with armed police standing around.

00:01:41.000 They said it's the Christian thing to do, which is of course totally false.

00:01:47.000 Not defending your family is one of the worst things you can do, and having an armed society keeps the criminals at bay.

00:01:53.000 Having a disarmed society does the opposite, but that's coming up here in the next segment. 1.00

00:01:58.000 You're not going to want to miss that.

00:02:01.000 And of course we've got news from all over the world and what's happening with the police state Here domestically as well.

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00:02:20.000 Hosted on InfoWars.com we have a banner that links to the Passion website, the Passion of Christ website, and that's coming out on the 25th.

00:02:33.000 The 25th, here in just about, well, less than a week and a half.

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00:03:34.000 By the way, I talked to Hutton Gibson yesterday for about 30 minutes, and let's just say this, you're going to want to watch Mel Gibson On Diane Sawyer's primetime ABC tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern, 9 o'clock Central, we're not going to steal Mel Gibson's thunder.

00:03:54.000 I mean, Hutton told me about what Mel said in the interview, but We're not going to steal his thunder here on the show and tell you what he said.

00:04:03.000 In fact, they interviewed Mel for over three and a half hours, Hutton said, and it's only a 30-minute piece.

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00:04:12.000 But if they don't include what Mel said, and I mean, this is bombshell stuff, in this Diane Sawyer CFR piece, believe me, you're going to hear about it on this show tomorrow.

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00:04:41.000 But I'm going to be up late working on a new film, so I'm going to tape it and watch it when I get home after midnight tonight.

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00:08:26.000 Coming up here in just a few minutes, Texas Church tries Guns for Roses on Valentine's. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Turn your guns in.

00:08:33.000 It's the Christian thing to do.

00:08:34.000 We've got the pastor coming on.

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00:09:04.000 Also, we know this is going to be a skull-and-bones election.

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00:09:19.000 Well, now Dean is discussing dropping out and plans to back Kerry.

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00:09:43.000 Texas Church tries guns for roses on Valentine's Day.

00:09:47.000 I've seen articles where Catholic churches, Protestant churches, you name it, have these gun buyback or turn your gun in events they put on United Nations days.

00:09:57.000 Here in Austin, local Baptist Church does and tells you to turn your guns in.

00:10:02.000 A church in Dallas, Texas wants people to show their love by giving up their guns this Valentine's Day, which they did.

00:10:09.000 The First Presbyterian Church in Dallas is sponsoring a program for people to turn in their guns to mark the celebration of love.

00:10:17.000 The sponsors will be given $50 for each gun and would be glad if the cash was used to purchase candy or flowers for Valentine's Day.

00:10:26.000 Quote, we're not trying to disarm Cupid of his bow and arrow, but provide another meaningful opportunity for individuals to show their affection for their families by making their homes safe this Valentine's Day, said church pastor Bruce Buchanan.

00:10:41.000 The church has sponsored gun buybacks before, but pastor Buchanan said he has moved the program to Valentine's Day because most of the people who turned in guns had families and they did not want the guns in the homes.

00:10:55.000 The church is aiming to buy back 150 guns, and to tell us how this went is Pastor Bruce Buchanan.

00:11:02.000 Pastor, thanks for coming on the show.

00:11:03.000 Thanks for having me.

00:11:05.000 So, how did the gun buyback go?

00:11:08.000 Well, it was very snowy and cold here in Dallas on Valentine's Day, but we held the gun buyback.

00:11:14.000 This was the seventh one we've done in about three years.

00:11:18.000 We had 59 rifles and handguns turned in that day.

00:11:25.000 And were those by members of your church, mainly?

00:11:28.000 Actually, I don't believe there were any members of my church this time.

00:11:31.000 There have been in previous occasions that have turned in a weapon, but this time, no, there were no church members that I was aware of.

00:11:41.000 Are you a member of any gun control organization?

00:11:44.000 No, I'm not.

00:11:46.000 Who approached you?

00:11:47.000 You said you've had seven of these over the last few years.

00:11:49.000 When did you start this?

00:11:51.000 Well, in the Presbyterian Church USA there has been for about almost 20 years now a peacemaking program in the church that's observed on the first Sunday in October.

00:12:08.000 And churches are encouraged to be involved in local peacemaking efforts, and for many churches that involves, say, supporting a domestic violence shelter or some other initiative in the community that helps in that general area.

00:12:23.000 Here in this church, about three years ago, one of our church members suggested that we use part of that offering to sponsor a buyback, and that's what started it.

00:12:32.000 And ever since then, funds from people in the community have come in.

00:12:38.000 It doesn't come from church funds to support the program and to keep it going.

00:12:43.000 You say funds in the community.

00:12:45.000 What organizations?

00:12:46.000 No organizations.

00:12:47.000 Individuals.

00:12:48.000 The Presbytery did send us a donation this year.

00:12:52.000 That's like the Diocese of the Presbyterian Church.

00:12:55.000 The Presbytery sent...

00:12:59.000 Pastor, we appreciate you coming on, but let me just be up front with you.

00:13:04.000 Number one, when one of the disciples at the Garden of Gethsemane cut the ear off the Roman, Christ put it back on and said, next time sell your cloak and buy swords. 0.54

00:13:15.000 But let's elaborate on this.

00:13:17.000 New York, D.C., they have gun bans.

00:13:19.000 I don't remember Christ saying that.

00:13:21.000 Oh, He didn't say sell your cloak and buy a sword?

00:13:24.000 No, I don't remember reading that in the Gospel.

00:13:26.000 You've got to be kidding.

00:13:29.000 You're joking, right?

00:13:30.000 No, I'm not.

00:13:31.000 Actually, I've got a Bible here on the shelf.

00:13:33.000 Go ahead and make your point.

00:13:35.000 Okay, okay.

00:13:37.000 Well, New York and D.C.

00:13:39.000 and other areas with gun bans have the highest crime rates.

00:13:42.000 Because I love my family, I'm armed to protect them from criminals.

00:13:48.000 And that's why areas with high gun ownership have the lowest crime rates.

00:13:52.000 And you know, Hitler was for gun control. 0.82

00:13:55.000 I think you've got a lot of useful dukes out there who are paving the road to hell by pushing this whole disarmament move. 0.76

00:14:04.000 Comments?

00:14:06.000 Well, we did not force anyone to come and turn in their handgun or their rifle.

00:14:14.000 And there are people who are involved in this program and have been involved in the program from the beginning who are strong supporters of the Second Amendment.

00:14:24.000 But you imply, Pastor?

00:14:25.000 Pastor?

00:14:26.000 If I may finish.

00:14:26.000 Sure.

00:14:27.000 That strongly support the Second Amendment and are gun enthusiasts themselves.

00:14:32.000 In fact, they are gun experts.

00:14:34.000 Who disables the weapons when they're turned in is a gun enthusiast.

00:14:38.000 And so by far we have collected in all those seven events about 300 handguns and rifles.

00:14:48.000 And my experience has been that many of them come from women, which was a surprise.

00:14:57.000 uh... and uh... we've asked uh... just out of curiosity people frequently just volunteer where they've got it and uh... uh... many of them the guns were a gift from uh... a parent or a boyfriend concerned for their safety and you know that's understandable.

00:15:19.000 Okay, Pastor?

00:15:22.000 Look, I read your quotes here from ABC News And what I get from reading the article is people turn their guns in because they've got families and they think they're dangerous in the house and the last line here is

00:15:35.000 The Valentine's Day celebration will be overseen by armed police.

00:15:39.000 And they use these images on the news, and I've got the gun control group's own documents on this, to acclimate us to the image of people lining up, turning their guns in, and everywhere where they've had gun registration and gun buybacks in other parts of the world, it then turns into a mandatory thing.

00:15:56.000 So aren't you concerned?

00:15:58.000 You're part of a conditioning process, that guns are bad here, turn them in.

00:16:03.000 I've had the experience of having a family in my congregation lose a child from a child playing with a pistol in a neighbor's house.

00:16:13.000 Well, cars kill 12 times that number.

00:16:15.000 Are we going to ban cars?

00:16:16.000 I see the result of what that has done to that family.

00:16:19.000 Well, that's because they didn't properly, Pastor, that's because they didn't properly store the guns.

00:16:25.000 Don't you know there's instant access pistol safes that cost $75?

00:16:32.000 Once again, we don't force anyone to turn in their handguns or their rifles, and we're pleased to make this opportunity available.

00:16:39.000 Well, I think the families love their families.

00:16:42.000 There are 307 households that we feel very comfortable that now feel safer that they don't have a pistol.

00:16:50.000 The first person to turn in a weapon was a grandmother, the very first one that we had. 0.95

00:16:55.000 It was the day before Mother's Day.

00:16:56.000 She came in, she had a rifle and a pistol, and she told us that the next day She knew her grandson was going to come and visit her for Mother's Day.

00:17:05.000 And she was glad that she didn't have that for him to find.

00:17:08.000 Well, Pastor, back on this, Pastor, Pastor, Pastor.

00:17:10.000 I found that they saved some of the boxes and the things.

00:17:14.000 Yes, most people don't know how to properly store a handgun or a rifle.

00:17:19.000 Well, we need to teach them how.

00:17:21.000 Let me just tell you something.

00:17:22.000 We've had people turn in weapons in cardboard boxes.

00:17:26.000 I saved one of the cardboard boxes.

00:17:29.000 That was taped shut, and it had written on the side, Danger, No Kids.

00:17:35.000 Well, anything that would invite a child to come in to open that box would be something like that.

00:17:38.000 Okay, let me stop you, Pastor.

00:17:40.000 Pastor, Pastor, Pastor.

00:17:41.000 Say, well, go ahead and play my hold.

00:17:42.000 If he wants to hang up, that's fine.

00:17:44.000 Uh, look.

00:17:45.000 This is all a bunch of anti-gun propaganda.

00:17:49.000 I was taught how to use a gun at a very young age.

00:17:51.000 That's where gun safety comes from.

00:17:53.000 And if you love your family, you learn how to use a gun, and you protect your family.

00:17:57.000 This is all part of the big gun control agenda. 0.59

00:18:00.000 And for you to say that Christ didn't say, uh, sell your cloak and buy a sword, you're telling me pastor, as a pastor, you don't know that.

00:18:10.000 There was a mistake.

00:18:11.000 We did not pass out roses, but we did pass out $50 cash, and there were 59 Weapons turned in, and we're very pleased with that result.

00:18:21.000 And I wish you well today.

00:18:22.000 I think it's horrible.

00:18:24.000 I think it's horrible, Pastor.

00:18:25.000 There, he just hung up on us.

00:18:27.000 That guy's not a pastor.

00:18:28.000 You know, I've got my Bible here on the bookshelf next to me, and I've sat through a lot of Sunday School and enjoyed it, but I do not know the particular verse.

00:18:36.000 I know 50 people can call in and give us the verse.

00:18:39.000 In fact, will somebody please call in and give us the chapter and verse?

00:18:45.000 Which gospel is it in?

00:18:49.000 Luke 2236.

00:18:50.000 Okay, I'm told we're getting a bunch of calls telling us Luke 2236.

00:18:55.000 Will somebody call in and please read Luke 2236?

00:18:59.000 Because I can't leave the microphone and go to the other wall and dig my Bible out and go to Luke 2236.

00:19:06.000 I mean, that guy was a real serpent.

00:19:10.000 And he wouldn't shut up.

00:19:12.000 And you know what?

00:19:13.000 I am angry because these gun buybacks are going on all over the country.

00:19:18.000 I must have seen 50 different police department news articles about them where they have these gun buybacks and take the guns and melt them down and make an image of a gun tied in a knot with a barrel tied in a knot and put that out front the church or put it out front the police station.

00:19:32.000 It's a culture of hating guns which is the only thing right now holding back the New World Order from absolutely eating our lunch. 0.93

00:19:41.000 I tell you, just ridiculous! 0.98

00:19:43.000 And did you hear that? 0.99

00:19:44.000 The Presbyterian Church Official policy is doing this.

00:19:48.000 Everybody should leave the Presbyterian Church. 0.97

00:19:50.000 You should leave all these churches that are working for the New World Order. 0.93

00:19:54.000 Baptist Church right here in Austin has U.N.

00:19:57.000 gun buybacks.

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00:24:31.000 What an incredible statement by that so-called Presbyterian pastor in Dallas who's had a whole bunch of, well, seven different gun buybacks.

00:24:39.000 What does it mean that he didn't know the verse where Christ said, uh, sell your cloaks and buy swords?

00:24:48.000 What does that mean? 0.96

00:24:50.000 Well, it just shows that either the guy's a liar or he's completely ignorant of the most basic stuff in the Bible, in the New Testament. 0.98

00:24:58.000 Incredible. 0.89

00:24:59.000 And he wouldn't answer that question when I brought it back up to him for the second time.

00:25:02.000 He just hung up on me.

00:25:03.000 We've got a bunch of other news items coming up.

00:25:06.000 Believe me, there's a lot of it, and it's all important, but obviously everybody wants to talk about this now, so let's go to the calls.

00:25:11.000 Frank in West Virginia says he's got his Bible open to the verse, chapter and verse, and he's going to read us the verse.

00:25:19.000 Go ahead, Frank.

00:25:21.000 Okay, Alex.

00:25:22.000 Yes, you're correct, John.

00:25:23.000 I'm sorry, Luke chapter 22 and verse 36.

00:25:27.000 It says, uh, then said he unto them, but now he that hath the purse, now this is Jesus quoting, mind you, he that hath the purse, let him take it, and likewise his script.

00:25:37.000 And he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

00:25:40.000 Now there's a follow-up verse two, uh, verses later, but the thing that came to my mind fifteen years ago is, is why did Jesus tell disciples to purchase a, a sword?

00:25:52.000 And if they don't have the money to, to buy the script, uh, then to Sell their cloaks, sell their garments, something that was necessary, something that was certainly a necessity, for something that was more of a necessity.

00:26:08.000 And the second verse after this, 37... Christ is saying, run around in a loincloth if you have to, because you're going to need weapons in the future.

00:26:18.000 And exactly, right here in verse 37, next verse, for I say unto you that this that is written must be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors, for the things concerning me have an end.

00:26:31.000 This was the first advent.

00:26:33.000 This is the first coming of Christ, not the second. 0.84

00:26:35.000 Had it been the second, after Jesus would have defeated all the evil followers of Satan, certainly there would be peace on earth.

00:26:44.000 But there would be no peace until then.

00:26:47.000 And then he goes and says, actually one of the disciples said, Lord, behold, here are two swords.

00:26:54.000 And he said unto them, it is enough.

00:26:56.000 So, there was the MacIron sword.

00:26:58.000 There were two swords, short sword for personal protection back then.

00:27:04.000 There was also a longer sword used for combat in military service.

00:27:09.000 So, we're literally talking about the pistol and the rifle?

00:27:14.000 Yes, in today's modern weaponry, I would have to agree with you 100%.

00:27:20.000 The pistol and the rifle are the modern day swords of today.

00:27:24.000 But the point here is, Frank, that we've got a so-called pastor on, and he told me that that wasn't true.

00:27:30.000 He told me that wasn't in probably the most read part of the Bible.

00:27:34.000 Yes, that doesn't surprise me. 1.00

00:27:37.000 You think he was a liar, or do you think he's a complete idiot? 1.00

00:27:41.000 You know, I've talked to a lot of pastors. 1.00

00:27:43.000 I'm a preacher myself, and one thing that I've found is that people People will not see what they don't want to see.

00:27:50.000 If they're not open to the truth, they can read that passage a hundred times over, and it just doesn't seem to stand out to them because they don't have the Holy Spirit teaching them.

00:27:59.000 If he isn't saved to start with, that's one problem.

00:28:02.000 You know, I've noticed that.

00:28:02.000 I can say something that's as clear as anything, and if people don't want to believe it, they'll just twist it around before they don't understand it.

00:28:12.000 Exactly.

00:28:13.000 Exactly.

00:28:14.000 I've given people your videos, as a matter of fact.

00:28:17.000 And, uh, sat down.

00:28:19.000 I remember one guy sat down with, got to the part in 9-11, Road to Tyranny, and this guy was, uh, the, uh, FEMA, I believe, the FEMA, uh, commander, who was talking about, uh, uh, Christians and, uh, Founding Fathers being terrorists.

00:28:35.000 This guy actually told me, he said, yeah, I can understand that, you know, but I guess they would be back then, they'd be considered terrorists.

00:28:42.000 This guy's identifying with the FEMA, Commander that was demonizing Christians and Patriots.

00:28:49.000 And then we have the training manual that says gun owners, defenders of the U.S.

00:28:54.000 Constitution, we're all terrorists, homeschoolers. 1.00

00:28:58.000 He even watched the homeschooler part and said, oh yeah, we're terrorists?

00:29:01.000 Yeah, he could not, although he was a neocon, I'll have to say, and had been around conservatives all his life, he just didn't want to see it.

00:29:11.000 He just didn't want to see the truth, rather.

00:29:13.000 But in the film, we have video in their own public documents where they say Christians, homeschoolers, gun owners were all terrorists.

00:29:20.000 He watched that and agreed with it?

00:29:22.000 He agreed with a lot of it.

00:29:24.000 There's one more verse.

00:29:27.000 Here's a question.

00:29:28.000 Who invented the first weapon?

00:29:31.000 Now ask that to the next preacher that says that he's having gun buybacks.

00:29:35.000 You know who it was?

00:29:36.000 Who?

00:29:37.000 God Almighty.

00:29:39.000 Genesis In chapter 3, verse 24, that's when the cherubim, the high angel, was actually guarding the garden.

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00:33:13.000 All right, we're about to go back to the calls.

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00:33:21.000 For those that just joined us, about 15 minutes ago, I had this so-called pastor on the show, Bruce Buchanan, of the First Presbyterian Church in Dallas.

00:33:35.000 That's a big church, by the way, folks.

00:33:37.000 I'm from Dallas.

00:33:40.000 And they've had seven gun buybacks and had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guns turned in.

00:33:44.000 They just had another one on Valentine's Day.

00:33:46.000 And I mentioned Luke 22-36 where Christ said, you know, if you don't have money, sell your cloak and buy a sword.

00:33:57.000 And he said, no, that doesn't exist.

00:34:00.000 I don't know about that.

00:34:01.000 When that's one of the most famous, well-known verses out of the New Testament.

00:34:08.000 But the point here is, is I have had listeners email me and send me news clippings and I have seen hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of news articles of churches, Baptist, Catholic, you name it, having gun buybacks.

00:34:26.000 A listener sent me a news article a few years ago out of the Chicago Tribune where one of the big Catholic churches up in Chicago said you shouldn't own guns, turn all your guns in, guns should be banned.

00:34:38.000 One of the big Baptist churches here in Austin, every October 24th on UN Day, has a gun buyback and has a big UN meeting.

00:34:48.000 They're equating love and Christianity with turning your guns in.

00:34:54.000 And it's a big deal.

00:34:55.000 I know all the callers now want to talk about this and that's fine.

00:34:58.000 Coming up, some good news.

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00:35:17.000 A chilling article out of the New York Times with secret federal and local maneuvers for mass quarantines, forced inoculations, you name it.

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00:35:45.000 Before I go back to your calls, here in just a few minutes, then we've got Hutton Gibson in the third hour.

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00:40:41.000 Supporting those that fight the New World Order. 0.83

00:40:44.000 Let's talk to Richard in Indiana.

00:40:46.000 Thanks for holding, Richard.

00:40:47.000 Go ahead.

00:40:49.000 Yeah, Alex.

00:40:49.000 There's a scripture in Luke 11.21.

00:40:54.000 When a strong man armed Keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace.

00:41:07.000 That's all I wanted to say.

00:41:09.000 Well, it's common sense, Richard.

00:41:11.000 If you love your family, you're supposed to be a man and know how to use a gun.

00:41:14.000 You're supposed to train your children in the use.

00:41:17.000 And look, this sounds nuts to some people, but at four years of age, I was sitting in my father's lap.

00:41:25.000 Shooting Folgers coffee cans with a .410 shotgun.

00:41:28.000 By the time I was 8 years old I could shoot a buck moving at 200 yards away.

00:41:33.000 Today I can shoot deer at 600 yards.

00:41:37.000 Because my father trained me and no one in our whole family's history has had an accident with a gun.

00:41:43.000 And in the past, when we all owned guns, and the guns were on the gun case right out in full view, by the time a child could get up there to the guns, they knew not to touch them unless they were out shooting with their parents.

00:41:54.000 So we didn't have all these accidents because people knew how to use guns, and we were a free country!

00:41:58.000 Go ahead.

00:42:00.000 Back in my day.

00:42:01.000 Absolutely.

00:42:04.000 I agree.

00:42:05.000 What do you think of this preacher claiming he didn't know about Luke 22-36?

00:42:07.000 Yeah, he should be ashamed.

00:42:10.000 You think he's a liar?

00:42:11.000 No, I don't think he's a liar.

00:42:13.000 I just think he should be ashamed he doesn't study. 0.99

00:42:17.000 He's just a con. 0.92

00:42:22.000 Thanks for the call.

00:42:23.000 I just don't know how you can go to seminary and not know.

00:42:27.000 I've been told they don't even teach the Bible anymore at these seminaries.

00:42:30.000 Whether it's Protestant or Catholic, no wonder we're in so much trouble. 0.99

00:42:34.000 Disgusting! 1.00

00:42:36.000 And look, I'm angry, folks. 0.99

00:42:37.000 If they get our guns, it's all over.

00:42:39.000 The guns are the insurance policy.

00:42:41.000 I mean, I'm not turning my guns in like they did in Australia or England or Canada.

00:42:45.000 I'm not doing it.

00:42:47.000 That's my line in the sand.

00:42:49.000 Let's talk to Kelly in Kentucky.

00:42:50.000 Kelly, go ahead.

00:42:52.000 How are you doing, Alex?

00:42:53.000 Good.

00:42:54.000 I don't know if I'd be telling people to pass out these tapes.

00:42:59.000 Police officers... Actually, I made a mistake and put it in his mailbox, and now they're trying to Prosecute me over it.

00:43:08.000 Well, you know, we've had thousands of listeners make thousands of copies of the videos and give them to police and deliver them to firefighters and usually they get a positive response.

00:43:17.000 But you're telling me that you stuck it in a mailbox and now they're trying to claim, what, that it's a federal offense to stick something in a mailbox?

00:43:25.000 Well, no, they didn't even charge me with that.

00:43:28.000 Let me try to explain it to you.

00:43:31.000 First, I had been going by this, he was a state trooper.

00:43:35.000 I went by his house for probably about a month before I did this and on my way to work every morning I thought well it'd be easy to try to inform him because I didn't think there was anything wrong with trying to inform people of authority in your area.

00:43:51.000 So I put the tape in his mailbox, the first one.

00:43:54.000 Well evidently he didn't know where it'd come from or he didn't see me, right?

00:43:58.000 So I went ahead and went to work and then about two weeks later I decided that I would put another one in his mailbox with another tape which confirmed your tape from other sources.

00:44:12.000 Actually, it came off the History Channel and C-SPAN and stuff like that.

00:44:16.000 So, you're a real radical?

00:44:18.000 Well, yeah.

00:44:20.000 I guess.

00:44:21.000 But anyway, I put that one in his mailbox about two or three weeks later and he saw me put it in there.

00:44:28.000 So, he evidently waited on the highway He knew I would probably come back down and he waited for me that evening after work and when I came by he pulled me over and basically he acted out just like the tape said he would.

00:44:48.000 I think it kind of hurt his pride or something.

00:44:52.000 What did he do to you?

00:44:53.000 This KGB officer that thinks that spreading information is un-American so he needs to go ahead and arrest you.

00:44:59.000 What happened?

00:45:00.000 Well, he pulled me over.

00:45:03.000 And came to my window and I said, how you doing?

00:45:06.000 And he didn't say anything but get out of the truck.

00:45:09.000 Right?

00:45:10.000 So I got out of the truck and second thing he said was turn around.

00:45:14.000 And I asked him, I said, what am I being arrested for?

00:45:17.000 Because he started to put the cuffs on me.

00:45:19.000 And he said, you're being arrested for terroristic threatening.

00:45:24.000 So basically I'm being, I got locked up for terroristic threatening over your tape.

00:45:28.000 And have they charged you?

00:45:30.000 Yes, they have.

00:45:32.000 They charged me with terroristic threatening and two counts of menacing.

00:45:38.000 Sir, Kelly, I need your phone number.

00:45:41.000 I need to get you in contact with some First Amendment organizations. 1.00

00:45:46.000 Number one, they're idiots. 0.99

00:45:48.000 I know they've charged people that, you know, put the coupons in mailboxes, because you're not supposed to put it in the mailbox, but that's not really enforced. 1.00

00:45:55.000 They're so stupid they didn't charge you with that. 0.99

00:45:56.000 That's the one thing they could do. 1.00

00:45:57.000 I've told folks, don't put them in mailboxes.

00:46:00.000 Just hand deliver them.

00:46:01.000 But they haven't... Look, get a jury trial.

00:46:05.000 Just go, my goodness, I just gave the guy a History Channel show and some stuff.

00:46:08.000 I'm trying to inform people.

00:46:10.000 Right.

00:46:14.000 They're going to try to make you a plea bargain. 0.97

00:46:16.000 I mean, this is horrible.

00:46:18.000 There's one other case I know of this happening.

00:46:21.000 A listener, and I actually got the news article on this, a listener in Florida every day was putting multiple copies on the windshields, like people put flyers on my car every week, usually a restaurant or a quick lube for one of those gas station ads.

00:46:42.000 And they called the bomb squad out because it was a video.

00:46:46.000 They thought it was a bomb.

00:46:47.000 It wasn't a bomb.

00:46:49.000 He heard it on the news.

00:46:50.000 He called them and went in and said, I just gave you a video.

00:46:53.000 Nothing happened to him.

00:46:54.000 But in your case, this is insane.

00:46:57.000 Now, let me stop you.

00:46:59.000 I want you to go over what happened.

00:47:00.000 He puts the cuffs on you.

00:47:02.000 What happens next?

00:47:03.000 What does he say to you?

00:47:04.000 Then he threw me in the back of the car and he basically took me to a Uh, small, uh, Lyon County Jailhouse.

00:47:16.000 And then from there, they transferred me to Caldwell County.

00:47:19.000 Okay?

00:47:20.000 And that's where they locked me up there.

00:47:21.000 And what are they saying the threats are?

00:47:24.000 Uh, well, I told him that, um, after he had already told me that I was being locked up for terroristic threatening, um, he, I was in the car and I told him, I said, well, you know, when a father sees something in the future that may be a threat to his children, Then he should take a course to try to protect them. 0.97

00:47:44.000 Well, this jerk turned around and said that I had threatened his family and children. 0.95

00:47:50.000 And he said because of the videos? 0.99

00:47:53.000 No, no, he said because he's trying to twist this around and say that I He said that I had threatened his children over that.

00:48:03.000 Because I said, well, when a father sees something in the future that might be, you know, detrimental to their children, he could take a course to try to protect them.

00:48:09.000 Well, there's no way they can twist that and they've got recorders in the car.

00:48:13.000 Here's the thing, sir.

00:48:16.000 Most state police wear a lapel microphone that's hooked into the recording system, so there should be audio of that.

00:48:21.000 This is what they do.

00:48:22.000 They arrest a patriot, then in the course they say you resist, or you threatened them, or you did something, then they try to charge you.

00:48:29.000 Once you got to the jail, did you say to folks, so it's now illegal in America to give people videos?

00:48:34.000 Um, no.

00:48:36.000 They didn't really let me talk to anyone.

00:48:39.000 Basically, and let me tell you what happened after they released me from jail.

00:48:44.000 Okay?

00:48:45.000 He, um, the jailer there, when he, when I got ready to leave the jail there, he, uh, had me sign a statement, okay?

00:48:55.000 Saying that I wasn't to become within a thousand feet of this officer.

00:48:59.000 Sir, you don't have to sign any statements in America.

00:49:02.000 Right.

00:49:03.000 Over and over again, they tell people to sign this, sign that.

00:49:05.000 Well, that would be, that was the only, that's the only way I could get out of here.

00:49:10.000 Okay, what did the, yeah, that's what they tell you.

00:49:12.000 What did the statement say, sir?

00:49:14.000 It just said that I wasn't to come within a thousand feet of the officer.

00:49:19.000 Did it say anything else, like I agree that I harassed him?

00:49:22.000 Excuse me?

00:49:24.000 Did it say anything else?

00:49:26.000 No, just that.

00:49:28.000 And then a judge would release me if I didn't contact him first.

00:49:33.000 When is your court date?

00:49:36.000 My court date, the first court date is February the 23rd.

00:49:40.000 And what is your lawyer saying?

00:49:44.000 Well, he seems to think that there's some constitutional issue here that, you know, the First Amendment... Well, but, I mean, you never... Okay, where are you?

00:49:53.000 Where are you located?

00:49:55.000 I'm located in Fredonia, Kentucky.

00:49:57.000 Fredonia?

00:49:58.000 Uh-huh.

00:49:58.000 How do you spell that?

00:49:59.000 It's a little town.

00:50:00.000 How do you spell that?

00:50:02.000 F-R-E-D-O-I-A. 1.00

00:50:06.000 Kentucky.

00:50:08.000 And, uh, what's the officer's name?

00:50:12.000 It's an Officer Dob.

00:50:14.000 you'll be d and did you ever talk to the people at the jail and this is

00:50:19.000 crazy i think i got video

00:50:22.000 uh... no i haven't been a little comeback with well you said you were

00:50:25.000 once my protector children what's everybody that's a statement on you need we protect

00:50:29.000 our children's future

00:50:31.000 uh... look they don't have they're gonna look they're gonna try to make you plea

00:50:35.000 bargain They're going to go, this is how you get out of it.

00:50:37.000 Just go on probation.

00:50:38.000 And if you want to believe them and sign your rights away, go ahead.

00:50:41.000 But you need to get this thrown out.

00:50:43.000 Then you need to sue them for official oppression.

00:50:48.000 I'll tell you what.

00:50:49.000 Don't hang up, Kelly.

00:50:50.000 I want your home phone number.

00:50:51.000 Okay.

00:50:52.000 And I need to get you in touch with some people.

00:50:55.000 This is insane.

00:50:57.000 But it's what's in the video.

00:50:58.000 I mean, what do you expect from these people?

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00:54:12.000 I was just talking to Kelly during the break.

00:54:16.000 This happened three, four weeks ago.

00:54:19.000 He thought they'd drop it.

00:54:21.000 Then he went before the judge for pretrial, and the judge said, you're guilty of handing a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video.

00:54:29.000 And so, that is so important that he has witnesses to that.

00:54:33.000 If his lawyer doesn't know that that is totally insane, and has prejudiced the judge, then I don't know what does.

00:54:38.000 You've got to have witnesses to that.

00:54:40.000 You've got to get in touch with the different foundations that fight this type of stuff.

00:54:45.000 You've got to get in touch with a local newspaper reporter.

00:54:49.000 We need to give out your contact info for people.

00:54:52.000 I need to write a report on this.

00:54:54.000 I need you to fax me all the documents so I know this is a real story, though I believe you.

00:55:00.000 This is so scary, and we're talking to Kelly Rushing, who gave a police officer some videos, including C-SPAN and Discovery, or History Channel, and the judge said you're guilty of giving a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video, which isn't.

00:55:18.000 Films I've made have aired on national TV.

00:55:21.000 Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove on the Trio Network.

00:55:25.000 So, I mean, this is a free country, but they don't think so.

00:55:28.000 This is their mindset.

00:55:29.000 This is what we show in the video.

00:55:30.000 We're all terrorists.

00:55:31.000 We're bad if we talk about freedom.

00:55:33.000 Yeah, Alex, you know, after the judge told me that, I told him, I said, wait a minute, that was an anti-corruption tape.

00:55:42.000 But wait a minute.

00:55:43.000 You should have said to the judge, it doesn't matter what the video is, it's a free country.

00:55:48.000 How many witnesses do you have to the judge saying that?

00:55:55.000 Well, it was a pretrial.

00:55:58.000 How many witnesses?

00:55:59.000 I don't know that there was any witnesses in there that was on my side.

00:56:03.000 I mean, I went to the pretrial.

00:56:07.000 Not realizing that they were actually going to pursue this thing.

00:56:10.000 But under oath, they may lie even under oath, but was your lawyer there?

00:56:14.000 Uh, no sir.

00:56:15.000 I didn't do a lawyer because I didn't think that... Okay, okay, okay.

00:56:18.000 Was the court reporter typing?

00:56:21.000 Huh?

00:56:22.000 Was there a court reporter?

00:56:24.000 Um, as far as I know, I know the prosecuting attorney was there.

00:56:27.000 You need to very quietly get a copy of that because that judge He's in deep trouble saying you're guilty.

00:56:36.000 A judge saying you are guilty at a pretrial.

00:56:38.000 You are guilty, he's saying, and you're guilty of giving somebody a C-SPAN video.

00:56:42.000 This is anti-government.

00:56:44.000 I mean, oh my.

00:56:46.000 This is a small town.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, they're on power trips and they think they're God and they're not.

00:56:51.000 What's the judge's name?

00:56:53.000 I couldn't tell you, Alex.

00:56:55.000 Look, you need to find all this out and I need to have you on as a guest.

00:56:58.000 Can you fax me everything you've got?

00:57:00.000 Okay, okay.

00:57:01.000 Okay, let me give you my fax number.

00:57:03.000 Okay.

00:57:04.000 And folks, don't send me 20 pages of fax.

00:57:06.000 Listeners do this all the time.

00:57:08.000 I give it out, and people send me books, you know, 100-page faxes, you name it.

00:57:12.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 And folks, if you do that, send me... Hold on just a second.

00:57:15.000 Folks, if you do that, send me 20 bucks for a...

00:57:19.000 A cartridge for the fax machine.

00:57:22.000 Sir, I need you to fax me all this immediately.

00:57:24.000 I'll write a news story about it.

00:57:25.000 I'll have you on as a guest.

00:57:26.000 And I'll put some energy into this.

00:57:27.000 But if you don't, I can't help you.

00:57:29.000 Are you ready for my fax number?

00:57:30.000 Uh, yeah.

00:57:31.000 It's 512... 512... 899... Hang on a second.

00:57:32.000 899... 9809.

00:57:33.000 9809.

00:57:33.000 512-899-9809.

00:57:40.000 9809.

00:57:44.000 9809. OK, that's...

00:57:47.000 That's 512-899-9809.

00:57:49.000 That's 512-899-9809.

00:57:51.000 9809, okay.

00:57:55.000 Yes, sir.

00:57:56.000 And, uh, Kelly Rushing, you need to get me proof of this. 0.95

00:57:59.000 This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard him do.

00:58:03.000 Uh, but he's in the video. 0.95

00:58:04.000 That's what they say we are.

00:58:05.000 We're, you know, talking is bad.

00:58:07.000 The First Amendment.

00:58:09.000 Michael Savage says, put us in camps, and we disagree with the government.

00:58:12.000 I mean, this is... I think we're all enemy combatant, frankly.

00:58:15.000 So, so what did you say to the judge when he said this?

00:58:18.000 Um, when he, well, I told him that it was anti-corruption.

00:58:23.000 And, uh, he says, well, you're rather outspoken, aren't you?

00:58:26.000 Oh! 0.60

00:58:27.000 So he said that was bad.

00:58:29.000 I was thinking to myself, well, Thank God for men that were outspoken. 0.99

00:58:33.000 You wouldn't be sitting there enjoying the freedoms you've enjoyed all your life, sucker. 0.97

00:58:37.000 And by the way, you also mentioned that you're facing a year in jail. 0.99

00:58:44.000 Yeah, that's what he told me.

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01:00:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

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01:00:31.000 Davey and Paul and many others that are holding.

01:00:33.000 Unexpected turn of events.

01:00:37.000 This is the first case of this I've heard of.

01:00:39.000 A listener in Kentucky, Kelly Rushing, who I believe, but I have to get all the documents on this, put in a police officer's mailbox one of my videos, a C-SPAN video, exposing the New World Order.

01:00:54.000 And so the cop waited for him, pulled him over, said, you threatened my family.

01:00:58.000 And he didn't take it serious.

01:01:00.000 Kelly couldn't imagine he'd done something wrong until the judge said, you're guilty.

01:01:05.000 Of giving a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video.

01:01:10.000 So now that's a crime.

01:01:12.000 You've got to get the court record of that.

01:01:13.000 You've got to get the squad car audio, which they'll probably claim disappeared.

01:01:18.000 But then if a jury hears all that, this is the new America.

01:01:22.000 These people will sleep just fine seeing you go to jail.

01:01:26.000 You said the judge said one year in jail for threatening a police officer.

01:01:31.000 Yes, I am.

01:01:31.000 and of course i would get you in the car that he claims that you threaten his

01:01:34.000 family which you say you didn't do you said a lot think somebody want to know about what's happened

01:01:38.000 this country and protect their children as we all say for children's

01:01:42.000 future this is the gustavo system

01:01:45.000 uh...

01:01:46.000 and you say that coming up the twenty third uh... next week you're back in

01:01:49.000 court sir if i am

01:01:51.000 and what is your lawyer say that night now do you know your lawyer personally

01:01:56.000 Because a lot of times you can't get a lawyer there locally that'll really represent you.

01:02:00.000 No sir, I don't know him personally.

01:02:02.000 I have some people that told me that every time they've used him that they've won their case.

01:02:08.000 Okay, good.

01:02:09.000 And he's in Fredonia, Kentucky?

01:02:11.000 Well, my lawyer's in Princeton.

01:02:14.000 I live in Fredonia.

01:02:15.000 Fredonia's a really small town.

01:02:17.000 Okay, and what type of judge is this that's going after you?

01:02:22.000 Um, what type of judge?

01:02:24.000 Yeah, I mean, is he a county judge?

01:02:26.000 What?

01:02:28.000 Oh, I really couldn't tell you, Alex.

01:02:29.000 Now, you need to find all that out and get it to me today.

01:02:32.000 Today.

01:02:32.000 And if I find out what you're saying is true and I can already... I believe you.

01:02:36.000 This is him.

01:02:36.000 Right, right.

01:02:37.000 Well, I'm, you know, I'm kind of just a...

01:02:39.000 Basic, simple old country boy, but I believe in right and wrong.

01:02:43.000 Now, you said during the break that, to me, off-air, that this is what the video says they do, and so wow, they're really doing it.

01:02:50.000 Oh yeah, he acted out just like the video said he would.

01:02:53.000 Well, this is America, you give a police officer a video.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, well it confirmed things, you know, to me.

01:03:01.000 And of course, 1 Thessalonians 5.21 says to prove all things and hold fast to those that are good.

01:03:09.000 Of course, how do you do that?

01:03:11.000 Sometimes it takes a hand-on approach to do that.

01:03:14.000 Well, I'll tell you right now, you're going to be blessed after all this happens.

01:03:18.000 That's how it works.

01:03:19.000 Every time I've been persecuted, I'm rewarded afterwards.

01:03:22.000 I don't want to end up in a Job situation where, okay, we'll see what happens if you're not blessed.

01:03:29.000 I am so outraged, my friend.

01:03:34.000 I'm trying to think of the different foundations and organizations that would deal with this.

01:03:41.000 There are quite a few out there.

01:03:43.000 We need to get the facts of your story.

01:03:44.000 We need to put it in a news article.

01:03:46.000 Get it on the website so a couple million people can see it.

01:03:49.000 Then we need to get you back on this show as a guest.

01:03:55.000 This is what's going to happen.

01:03:56.000 You said when you left the jail, they said you can't leave until you sign this piece of paper.

01:03:59.000 That's official repression.

01:04:01.000 Hundreds of court cases on that.

01:04:02.000 That's very corrupt.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 You know, sign this thing.

01:04:05.000 You won't come within a thousand yards of this police officer.

01:04:09.000 This state police officer.

01:04:11.000 The next thing you need to do is get the audio off the squad car audio, which they have.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, well I put in a motion of discovery.

01:04:20.000 Went right there in pre-trial after I pled not guilty.

01:04:23.000 And the judge says you're guilty.

01:04:26.000 Now again, that disqualifies the judge right there.

01:04:28.000 The judge said you're guilty.

01:04:30.000 You're guilty of giving a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video.

01:04:34.000 That's your crime.

01:04:35.000 The judge said it.

01:04:36.000 And now they're going after you.

01:04:38.000 And you need to... Oh boy, I tell you what.

01:04:42.000 Get me all the info.

01:04:43.000 You have my fax number.

01:04:44.000 I need that today.

01:04:46.000 Okay.

01:04:46.000 I'll do it, Alex.

01:04:48.000 We'll get you on as a guest later this week.

01:04:49.000 We'll be back.

01:04:50.000 I'm just... Ugh!

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01:08:18.000 If you go into the Travis County SWAT team office on the top floor of the Sheriff's Department off 11th Street in downtown Austin.

01:08:29.000 As I have done when Delta Force was in Austin a few years ago, I was down there.

01:08:34.000 You will see, at the time, four or five of my videos on the shelf.

01:08:40.000 And they know about the New World Order. 0.56

01:08:44.000 You will also saw the Oklahoma City bombing video there, so they obviously have watched that and know who really carried that out.

01:08:52.000 And all over the country, thousands and thousands of listeners have gotten the videos and made thousands of copies, in many cases, dozens in other cases, and gotten them out to people.

01:09:01.000 They've aired on national television.

01:09:03.000 They've been put on access TV stations around the country.

01:09:09.000 And a listener gives a cop, a state police officer in Kentucky, some of my videos, including a video of some C-SPAN and History Channel stuff, and he's arrested, and they say it's a threat.

01:09:19.000 He pulls him out of the car, says, you threatened my family.

01:09:22.000 The guy says, what do you mean?

01:09:23.000 I gave you some videos.

01:09:25.000 And the guy says, you threatened my family and now he's being charged.

01:09:28.000 And the judge says, in Fredonia, Kentucky, that hey boy, you're guilty of giving a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video.

01:09:38.000 And then they go ahead with charging him.

01:09:40.000 And don't think he won't go to jail.

01:09:43.000 Now most police aren't like this, but in a lot of areas they are.

01:09:46.000 But certainly they've been under federal training.

01:09:48.000 That's what the caller before, the last caller was talking about.

01:09:52.000 And whoever we've got on hold, we'll go ahead and put them on hold.

01:09:59.000 We've concluded our discussion with Kelly Rushing.

01:10:03.000 We're going to be getting him on as a guest in the future.

01:10:06.000 Is everything okay, Stephanie?

01:10:10.000 I just heard a call or something in the background.

01:10:13.000 I mean, that's... See?

01:10:16.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 We're going to get you back on.

01:10:17.000 Yes, sir.

01:10:19.000 I'm sorry.

01:10:20.000 She thought I was still having you on the show. 0.83

01:10:23.000 Again.

01:10:24.000 That kind of broke my train of thought, but let me go back to what I was saying. 0.85

01:10:28.000 In my film, Road to Tyranny, we have FEMA, we have police, we have them being taught that all Christians are terrorists, the Founding Fathers are bad, anybody that talks about them is bad, that homeschoolers are terrorists.

01:10:41.000 We have their own documents, their own video, their own training flyers, we have it all.

01:10:46.000 And then you go out on the road, well it's like Abby Newman.

01:10:50.000 She's at a checkpoint, pulls up, Behind the other cars that are in front of her.

01:10:55.000 They say, we want to search your car.

01:10:57.000 She says, no, you can't do that without a warrant.

01:10:59.000 They jerk her out of the car.

01:10:59.000 Fourth Amendment.

01:11:00.000 She doesn't resist.

01:11:01.000 They charge her with resisting.

01:11:03.000 And then on their own audio, because they have microphones on their uniform, on their ties, they go, my goodness, you know, she's got a pocket constitution. 1.00

01:11:12.000 She's got information about Social Security.

01:11:15.000 She's got a, well, she even had a video she hadn't taken back to the store.

01:11:21.000 With that really evil right-winger, Harrison Ford, Patriot Games.

01:11:25.000 And in there was also my video, Police State 2000.

01:11:28.000 That upset them greatly.

01:11:32.000 And, you know, an award-winning film.

01:11:36.000 And so they discuss it and say, is this illegal?

01:11:39.000 Is she allowed to have this?

01:11:41.000 It's all on video!

01:11:43.000 So see, in America now, they think videos are illegal.

01:11:46.000 They think They think giving a cop a c-span video is illegal.

01:11:50.000 They think just talking to them are illegal.

01:11:53.000 And they'll feel good putting you under the jail.

01:11:56.000 They'll feel good taking your life and ruining it.

01:11:59.000 Because they're God now in this country.

01:12:01.000 We're living in the new Soviet Union of America. 0.76

01:12:06.000 absolutely amazing how they're harassing homeschoolers

01:12:15.000 They act like if you're a homeschooler, when CPS comes out, you automatically are some type of criminal.

01:12:20.000 Gun shops are being shut down and harassed.

01:12:22.000 Anything decent.

01:12:24.000 Anything America.

01:12:25.000 And I'm sick of it!

01:12:28.000 So, Kelly Rushing, we're going to get to the bottom of this.

01:12:31.000 Send me your documents.

01:12:32.000 And I'm going to write a news article about this.

01:12:34.000 I'm going to get this out to everybody.

01:12:36.000 Everybody.

01:12:38.000 And I'm going to... I am so sick of this type of garbage. 1.00

01:12:42.000 I gotta calm down, folks. 1.00

01:12:44.000 I just... Oh!

01:12:45.000 To see America turned into this...

01:12:47.000 Let's talk to Davey in Texas.

01:12:49.000 Davey, go ahead.

01:12:50.000 Good afternoon, Alex.

01:12:51.000 I got a couple of verses here from Isaiah chapter 59, verse 14 and 15.

01:12:57.000 Okay, for those that just joined us and missed the preacher in the last hour who had a gun buyback at the First Presbyterian Church, according to ABC News, when I read the verse on air, or had a listener do it, Luke 22, 36, where Christ said, sell your cloaks and buy swords, he said that didn't exist.

01:13:14.000 And, uh, so now you're obviously calling in about that.

01:13:16.000 Well, that and the, uh, issue in Kentucky there, and it's fundamentally an issue of good faith.

01:13:22.000 As you pointed out in your videos, these, uh, mind control robots, they call themselves the police, which are policy enforcers.

01:13:29.000 They have no knowledge of truth.

01:13:32.000 And when somebody shows them the truth, they feel threatened.

01:13:35.000 Because their programmers didn't tell them what to do when the truth comes up and stares them in the face, and they feel afraid.

01:13:42.000 That's where fear comes from, is ignorance.

01:13:45.000 And the issue, Alex, is fundamentally one of good faith.

01:13:50.000 And that minister over in Dallas is not a good faith individual.

01:13:54.000 He's not telling the truth of the gospel.

01:13:57.000 He's putting forward an agenda just like the police officers in this country that listen to the programmers.

01:14:04.000 I was going to tell you about last week in Dallas, they had the police chiefs meeting.

01:14:09.000 Did you hear about that?

01:14:10.000 No, I didn't.

01:14:11.000 Oh yeah, they brought in police chiefs from all over the country, the 50 largest cities in America to program them and we find out that of course they just returned from an ADL sponsored trip to Israel.

01:14:24.000 By the way, I was sent a big law enforcement magazine last year where it said, and I ought to dig that out, Where it's said, where it's said, if somebody's got to get us out of the UN sticker, they're probably a criminal, go ahead and arrest them.

01:14:41.000 Now that is in a major, it was law enforcement technology.

01:14:45.000 Right, and the issue is one of good faith.

01:14:47.000 Arrest us for a bumper sticker!

01:14:51.000 Project Megiddo.

01:14:52.000 The only threat to them are people that know what the truth is.

01:14:55.000 That's the issue here.

01:14:56.000 We're already living in the Soviet Union, and if they could move against us en masse, they would have already done it, but some of their cops aren't programmed.

01:15:05.000 That's what's holding them back.

01:15:06.000 Right, Alex.

01:15:07.000 Also, there are these signs on the side of the road about guns cause crime, 1-800-ATF-GUNS.

01:15:14.000 I don't know if you've seen them yet or not.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, well, also they're using the new FEMA billboards that were supposedly for traffic.

01:15:19.000 It'll say, report illegal guns, and they have the BATF thing that shows a handgun, and it says, call the police. 1.00

01:15:25.000 Well, handguns aren't illegal in Texas, but you're an idiot! 1.00

01:15:29.000 Listen, listen to me. 1.00

01:15:30.000 I'm getting really mad now.

01:15:31.000 About three years ago, I had a carpet cleaner.

01:15:35.000 At my office.

01:15:35.000 Cleaning the carpets in my studio.

01:15:37.000 And I've got a shotgun.

01:15:39.000 I bought it at a local sporting goods store.

01:15:41.000 Just a mainstream, no big deal shotgun.

01:15:44.000 It's on the wall.

01:15:45.000 He began to freak out, asking if that was legal.

01:15:48.000 And then I was smart enough to call down that afternoon.

01:15:51.000 Well, yes, there was a discussion of calling the police on you, but the owner knows that guns aren't illegal. 1.00

01:15:57.000 These idiots thought that my shotgun in Texas was illegal! 1.00

01:16:02.000 And that's what those signs are meant to do! 1.00

01:16:04.000 Exactly right, and the issue is, again, one of good faith.

01:16:07.000 This is all coming out of the ATF Department of Justice Project Safe Neighborhood.

01:16:13.000 You can do a Google search, Project Safe Neighborhood, Police Chief, ADL, and find out about that.

01:16:19.000 But I would like to quote this, Isaiah 59, 14 and 15, and it says, And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off.

01:16:30.000 For truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

01:16:34.000 Keep up the good work, man.

01:16:35.000 and he had departed from able make of himself a parade that's mister rushing in in kentucky

01:16:41.000 and they all might thought it was this played him that there was no judgment

01:16:45.000 it's very alexa media bypasses not far away from where he's located there

01:16:50.000 and uh...

01:16:51.000 you've got the good work when you go to great job Absolutely.

01:16:55.000 What an incredible quote, absolutely, that those that tell the truth become prey.

01:17:00.000 Look at Mel Gibson trying to make a movie about Jesus getting attacked.

01:17:03.000 Look at how upside down things have gotten.

01:17:06.000 There's naked people running around the Super Bowl.

01:17:08.000 There's... The Boy Scouts are being taken over.

01:17:11.000 All this is happening.

01:17:13.000 And... Oh, boy, I tell you.

01:17:17.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

01:17:19.000 Let's talk to Paula in Missouri.

01:17:21.000 Paula, go ahead. 0.99

01:17:21.000 Hello? 0.99

01:17:23.000 Yes.

01:17:24.000 Alex, I wanted to quote that scripture, but I see everybody else has done the same thing.

01:17:31.000 It says the same thing in my Bible.

01:17:33.000 I guess that pastor earned his 30 pieces silver, didn't he?

01:17:39.000 I guess he did.

01:17:40.000 Okay, that's all I wanted to tell you.

01:17:45.000 What did you think of what's happening to Mr. Rushing?

01:17:50.000 That's all part of their program, and I haven't seen it.

01:17:55.000 Um...

01:17:56.000 But I keep hearing about it different things.

01:17:58.000 You know, I've got a pretty good memory.

01:18:00.000 Didn't you call about a year ago and said that you stop on the side of the road and give police my videos?

01:18:07.000 I gave a couple of them, yes.

01:18:07.000 I did.

01:18:09.000 And they never did bother me.

01:18:10.000 Well, I want to find out if my memory's activated.

01:18:13.000 That was about 14 months ago.

01:18:15.000 Right.

01:18:15.000 You called the show and you said you're handing out my videos to police on the side of the road.

01:18:20.000 Yes.

01:18:20.000 And what happens to you when you do that?

01:18:22.000 Nothing.

01:18:23.000 Looks like they haven't gotten their proper programming.

01:18:26.000 Right. 0.71

01:18:27.000 Though the FEMA footage I've got, where they say all Christians are terrorists, was shot in Kansas City. 0.86

01:18:32.000 Yeah.

01:18:33.000 These guys are the ones that I have approached.

01:18:37.000 They were the younger generation, younger guys, and I explained to them about it, and they said, sure, I'll look at it.

01:18:47.000 Well, in the future, they'll just arrest you, and that's threatening.

01:18:50.000 The judge will say, you're not allowed to give videos to people!

01:18:54.000 That's evil!

01:18:56.000 Well thank you for the call.

01:18:57.000 Okay.

01:18:58.000 God bless you.

01:18:59.000 Folks, this is shaking me up.

01:19:01.000 I just... I start thinking about it.

01:19:04.000 I've got Law Enforcement Technology Magazine and it says...

01:19:09.000 If you pull somebody over, or it says pull them over if they've got a sticker that says get us out of the U.N., go ahead and take them in.

01:19:17.000 And police chiefs, don't chastise your officers for doing this.

01:19:20.000 These are generally terrorists.

01:19:21.000 The criminals need to be gone ahead and taken on in.

01:19:24.000 A major national publication, echoing what FEMA and the ADL are teaching everybody, says you've got an anti-U.N.

01:19:32.000 sticker on your car, go ahead and take y'all in to jail. 1.00

01:19:37.000 That is so un-American, that makes me just absolute! 1.00

01:19:43.000 Folks, if you don't know this is bad, then something's wrong with you.

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01:23:56.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:24:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:24:09.000 You know, I've got to work harder.

01:24:14.000 I need to take all the news articles about the FBI training manuals, Project Megiddo, the video clip of FEMA saying all the Christians are terrorists, all of this, the law enforcement technology magazine that said if somebody's got an anti-UN sticker, go ahead and arrest them, go ahead and take them on downtown. 0.56

01:24:36.000 And take all these stories and put them together in one big article with hyperlinks and video clips and documents.

01:24:42.000 And then, you know, have everybody email that around so millions of people can see it.

01:24:48.000 Because what they've done to police is, over the last 50 years, is they say, okay, we're going to frame criminals.

01:24:53.000 But, you know, we know somebody's guilty, we'll go ahead and frame them.

01:24:56.000 So they get cops to kind of, you know, get into that evil and start it.

01:24:59.000 Then, it just becomes institutionalized where if you don't like somebody, just charge them with something.

01:25:05.000 And then the ADL, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and the Southern Poverty Law Center in their own manuals, which are written for the police, explain to them how they can get this done.

01:25:16.000 And then they go out and carry it out against the general public.

01:25:21.000 I mean, they come after you.

01:25:22.000 If you're a Christian, if you're a homeschooler, if you're into anything decent, you're under attack because you threatened the New World Order. 0.99

01:25:29.000 Diana in Colorado, then John, James, Tracy, Betty, and others.

01:25:33.000 Diane, go ahead. 1.00

01:25:34.000 Hi, Alex.

01:25:35.000 My name's actually Deanna, but that's alright.

01:25:37.000 I'm calling in about the pastor who was on the show in the first hour, and I'd just like to defend him in a couple of areas.

01:25:45.000 The verse that you cited, I went to 16 years of Christian elementary school, high school, college, and I've read the gospel several times.

01:25:55.000 Hold on just a second.

01:25:58.000 Are you for gun control?

01:26:00.000 I'm not.

01:26:01.000 Okay, well, the preacher, for those who don't know, just joined us in the last hour, who had a gun buyback in Dallas that ABC News reported on.

01:26:10.000 He was saying that he didn't know that in the Gospel of Luke, that Christ said, sell your clothes and buy a sword.

01:26:19.000 Right.

01:26:20.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:26:21.000 I would like to say, though, that the many times that I've read the Gospels, that verse has never jumped out at me.

01:26:26.000 And it makes sense to me that people who are Who are pro-gun would know verses like that and be able to use them to support their cause. 0.99

01:26:34.000 And then be able to say, well, those of you who don't know, well, then you must just be stupid because you've never... whatever. 0.97

01:26:42.000 Who hasn't read the part at the Garden of Gethsemane? 0.99

01:26:46.000 I mean, that's the most read part of the Bible is the last 12 hours of Christ's life.

01:26:52.000 Okay.

01:26:53.000 The real point that I wanted to make was that I I sort of feel bad for you unsuspecting interviewees sometimes because I don't think that they know what they're getting into.

01:27:02.000 That's right, they don't.

01:27:04.000 And I felt a little bit bad for him because it seemed to me like he really has no bad intentions for what he's doing.

01:27:12.000 His point that, you know, the first woman who gave up her gun was a grandmother who didn't want her kids getting out of the gun. 1.00

01:27:17.000 Do you realize how dangerous these youthful idiots are? 1.00

01:27:19.000 I do, and I... Do you realize that they're preparing to put us all in concentration camps? 1.00

01:27:24.000 That's the head of NORTHCOM right there in Colorado Springs?

01:27:27.000 Yes, I listen to your show all the time, Alex, and I, you know, I'm on your side all the time.

01:27:33.000 Listen, that's why I'm upset.

01:27:36.000 This country is bleeding to death right in front of me, and I'm a little freaked out right now.

01:27:41.000 The only thing, the one thing I want to say is that I just think he's a little bit misinformed.

01:27:47.000 You know, and I think for him, the way he's going to get the message is if we gently inform him, I think probably him feeling attacked isn't going to change his mind.

01:27:58.000 He'll probably just get defensive.

01:27:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:28:01.000 Thanks for the call.

01:28:01.000 I hear you.

01:28:02.000 I appreciate it.

01:28:03.000 I'm a little bit defensive right now.

01:28:05.000 John in Virginia.

01:28:06.000 John, you're on the air.

01:28:07.000 Go ahead.

01:28:08.000 Alex, how you doing?

01:28:09.000 I called up and was going to talk about one thing, and after your caller in Kentucky, by golly, that got a whole other train of thought going.

01:28:16.000 Listen, I just wanted to give my heads up this.

01:28:20.000 I know in different parts of the state, or country I should say, that once a restraining order is put out against you, and that sounds like what was put out against him, It becomes a felony for you to have access to a firearm.

01:28:33.000 I have a friend of mine that's in Georgia that's going through that right now.

01:28:35.000 It seems as a course of just what happens when you get... And they told him, they told him, you can leave the jail when you sign this, and he fell for it.

01:28:45.000 Well, you know what?

01:28:47.000 Ignorance is not bliss, and he's not to be faulted for it.

01:28:50.000 A lot of people do that.

01:28:52.000 A friend of mine is going through a divorce in Georgia, and just as a routine matter of occurrence, judges down there issue restraining orders against the husbands, which means if the husbands have a gun in the house, They all of a sudden are a felon.

01:29:09.000 Same thing in Texas and all over the country.

01:29:11.000 You're automatically convicted even if it's a no fault divorce.

01:29:15.000 Well he may want to talk with an attorney down there and really find out because he may get a knock at the door at about 3 o'clock and somebody do a random search in his house because really it could go from real bad to real worse real quick.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, that's our free country, our wondrous free country, where the police manuals and magazines say, if they got an anti-UN sticker, go ahead and arrest them.

01:29:39.000 Yeah, that's what America's all about.

01:29:44.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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01:33:10.000 Then I'm going to blitz through some news. We've got Hutton Gibson coming on the show. 0.99

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01:34:44.000 And by the way, we have millions of people each month watching the videos I'm putting online.

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01:34:56.000 Just in my life, I've done 1,400 radio interviews.

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01:35:09.000 I'll do, again, two, three, four radio interviews a day, and no one calls in the disagrees.

01:35:17.000 Five years ago, the complete opposite.

01:35:20.000 So, we're winning the fight, and so the criminals out there that engage in this globalist activity, you need to know that we're on to you, we're on to your corruption, we know what you're doing, people are waking up to history, you're in a lot of trouble.

01:35:33.000 1-888-253-3139 is the toll-free number, or just write to me, Alex Jones, at 3001 South

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01:35:50.000 Now I'm going to go to these calls really fast.

01:35:54.000 So, make your point.

01:35:56.000 John, you were finishing up.

01:35:57.000 Go ahead, Virginia.

01:35:58.000 I was just going to say, Alex, we don't want to paint these police with too broad a brush.

01:36:02.000 Some of these guys are really good.

01:36:04.000 They're on our side.

01:36:05.000 They understand what's going on.

01:36:06.000 That's what I was just saying.

01:36:07.000 We're waking up a lot of them.

01:36:09.000 Absolutely.

01:36:09.000 Now, as far as your pastor goes, our problem is we have a bunch of 501c3 corporations that call themselves churches.

01:36:17.000 And you should have asked the pastor this, and you can't think everything, but you know the Presbyterian Church, from the hierarchy down, have said that gay marriages now are acceptable.

01:36:27.000 I mean, you do know that's the Presbyterian stand on gay marriages, right?

01:36:32.000 That would have been an interesting question for that fellow.

01:36:34.000 Also, and it's destroying their church.

01:36:36.000 All over the world, people are leaving.

01:36:38.000 And on top of it, I know the Presbyterians are getting some of the faith-based initiative funds that, by the way, did go through.

01:36:45.000 It just hasn't been totally legalized.

01:36:47.000 They're just doing it anyways.

01:36:48.000 So this is part of the federal funding of the churches.

01:36:51.000 Absolutely.

01:36:52.000 And if they come out and they talk about Government policy, if they come out against government policy, the IRS has come in and they've already said they would yank their 501c3 status and pull the church away from them.

01:37:05.000 And the answer, but if they grovel, they'll get federal money.

01:37:08.000 The answer is having all our churches say no, we'll talk about whatever we want.

01:37:11.000 Thanks for the call.

01:37:12.000 Absolutely.

01:37:13.000 Appreciate it.

01:37:14.000 Let's talk to James in Colorado.

01:37:15.000 James, go ahead.

01:37:17.000 Hey Alex Jones.

01:37:19.000 Turn that radio down.

01:37:24.000 Most of the people, I'm not trying to accuse them, but they know not what they do.

01:37:29.000 They've made this social structure and traditions that amend God. 0.88

01:37:33.000 They use Colossians 2.16 to defend pagan traditions.

01:37:37.000 If it doesn't say to do it in the Bible, why add the tradition?

01:37:41.000 And I'm trying to make the link between why my gun is missing, it's been repossessed, and why people are walking around in a trance saying, there's nothing wrong, we're still free.

01:37:52.000 What happened to your gun?

01:37:55.000 I've pawned it, and I didn't pass the background check to redeem it.

01:38:01.000 I see articles all the time where people with no criminal record are failing the background checks.

01:38:05.000 The NICS registration system, and that's what it is.

01:38:08.000 Gun dealers say, don't say it's a registration, it's not.

01:38:11.000 Yes, it is.

01:38:13.000 And if the gun dealers would get active and say no, and tell the NRA no, we'd get our guns back.

01:38:19.000 But instead, compromise, compromise, compromise.

01:38:22.000 And also, in Jeremiah chapter 10, one through five, and a few other scriptures, refer to specific traditions of men.

01:38:33.000 Like, where did Valentine's Day come from?

01:38:36.000 Is that something out of the Bible?

01:38:37.000 I don't think so.

01:38:38.000 Thanks for the call.

01:38:40.000 No, I hear you.

01:38:41.000 It's all been paganized. 0.61

01:38:42.000 Who's up next, Stephanie? 0.57

01:38:45.000 Tracy in Vermont, go ahead.

01:38:47.000 Hi, first-time caller Alex.

01:38:49.000 I just want to bring up a point.

01:38:50.000 We have to look at the bigger picture as far as the sword situation, and there's the scripture in Isaiah 2, 4.

01:38:58.000 If anybody's ever been in the UN building when you first walk in, in the lobby or whatever they call it, it's the scripture Isaiah 2, 4.

01:39:09.000 He shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people and they shall beat their swords in the plowshares. 0.78

01:39:15.000 and their fears in the pruning hook they can come out

01:39:18.000 nation shall not lift up for the campaign can either stop a learn more

01:39:22.000 anymore and we know that global left

01:39:26.000 are responsible for the gunner weapon control through the u and

01:39:31.000 we know the u way i want to get a lot of the other

01:39:34.000 let me give you the u n quote from

01:39:37.000 july seventh two thousand and one at the small arms summit in new york

01:39:43.000 by unity here and it is quote

01:39:45.000 civilian ownership of firearms threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the state

01:39:51.000 Power monopoly is dictatorship.

01:39:53.000 The U.N.

01:39:54.000 says citizens owning guns threatens their dictatorship.

01:39:57.000 Go ahead.

01:39:59.000 We know the U.N.

01:40:00.000 is responsible for the gun control through, well, the globalists through the U.N.

01:40:05.000 and we know the U.N.

01:40:06.000 is not a Christian organization and when we see that scripture in the U.N.

01:40:11.000 lobby They're planting their heaven on earth, and this is a way of conditioning the people to give up their guns, to give up their weapons.

01:40:20.000 We're so brainwashed and so conditioned in this world, and especially in this country, peace, peace, peace, nonviolence.

01:40:27.000 Well, Alex, I commend all the work that you've done, and especially your wife, for letting you do it.

01:40:33.000 She's a saint.

01:40:35.000 And you motivate me and many others that I know, and just thank you, thank you, thank you.

01:40:43.000 Well, I agree with you, and this whole peace thing that they come out with, that means we're supposed to lay down to their tyranny, we're supposed to submit.

01:40:53.000 When they say peace, that's what they mean.

01:40:55.000 It's a very dangerous concept that they even use the Holy Bible.

01:41:01.000 You know, as scripture to back up what they're doing, and we know that they're of the devil, the UN. 0.63

01:41:08.000 They're not a Christian organization, and the pastors need to understand this, and especially this pastor in the beginning of your program. 0.56

01:41:15.000 He's a charlatan. 0.72

01:41:16.000 He's a New World Order minion, as far as I'm concerned, and he's brainwashed in condition himself. 0.86

01:41:21.000 Thanks for the call.

01:41:22.000 Betty in Ohio, go ahead. 1.00

01:41:23.000 Hi.

01:41:26.000 What she's referring to on the UN happens to be the scripture that's going to be used to form the One World Church, the ecumenical movement.

01:41:33.000 It's not about peace as it should be defined, but peace as a New World Order religion.

01:41:41.000 The other thing about that verse is being taken out of context in Luke 22, 36.

01:41:47.000 Nowhere in the Pauline Epistles or anywhere in the Gospels are there any examples that were to live by the sword.

01:41:54.000 I'm not anti-gun.

01:41:56.000 Well, that's not true.

01:41:57.000 The entire Bible is about people defending themselves against tyranny.

01:42:01.000 But not since Jesus came.

01:42:03.000 That was in the Old Testament.

01:42:04.000 I've read the Bible more than... So it was wrong that the Founding Fathers stood up to England?

01:42:09.000 No, the truth of the Scriptures is this, and that we... Well, let me just tell you something.

01:42:13.000 I'm going to defend my family, and I could have a hundred pastors on here to refute what you're saying.

01:42:19.000 Well, I'm not... Look, you know, there's plenty of Scriptures to refute it.

01:42:24.000 Well, if you'll let me explain, that verse in 2236 of Luke, that's not what it means.

01:42:28.000 It's been taken out of context.

01:42:29.000 mean yeah and you make peace by defending and by going after the enemies

01:42:34.000 that are attacking you well if you let me explain that person twenty two thirty

01:42:38.000 six of luke that's not what it means it's been taken out of context it is a

01:42:42.000 no-wise meant for us to go get uh... arm to to fight uh... read the whole thing and that's not true

01:42:48.000 and thanks for the Thanks for the call.

01:42:50.000 Hitler was for gun control. 0.98

01:42:51.000 The Bible's not for Hitler.

01:42:53.000 Okay, let's go ahead.

01:42:54.000 I mean, it boils down to stuff real simple like that.

01:42:57.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Ron in Oklahoma.

01:43:01.000 Ron, go ahead.

01:43:03.000 Okay, Alex.

01:43:03.000 Two things quickly here.

01:43:05.000 One, the problem in Kentucky is caused by ignorance.

01:43:10.000 I think it's time for your listeners around the United States and around the world To contact their friends and relatives in the state of Kentucky and enlighten them as to what's really going on.

01:43:22.000 And for those who just joined us, recap what has happened to Kelly Rushing.

01:43:28.000 Well apparently Mr. Rushing left some videotapes in the mailbox of a Kentucky State Trooper and this State Trooper arrested him and charged him with terrorism.

01:43:39.000 So the people of Kentucky Need to be enlightened the best way I can think of would be for your listeners to contact their friends and relatives in the state of Kentucky and enlighten these people.

01:43:53.000 Tell them about Alex Jones, John Stapp Miller, what's going on, and send them your video tapes and books, etc.

01:44:02.000 No, I agree.

01:44:03.000 We need to flood that county with these videos, which the police seem to think are illegal.

01:44:09.000 The judge told him, according to Kelly Rushing, he said, look, you are guilty of giving a police officer an anti-government, anti-police video.

01:44:20.000 I mean, folks, one of my videos is aired on national television.

01:44:24.000 I've been interviewed by national TV.

01:44:26.000 20-20, Good Morning America, hard copy, extra, C-SPAN.

01:44:32.000 The point here is, is that it's not illegal to make films and to write books, but these people think it is!

01:44:38.000 I have major law enforcement publications, magazines, documents, where they say, if you've got an anti-UN bumper sticker on your car, go ahead and arrest them.

01:44:49.000 I mean, that's not America, Ron.

01:44:51.000 No sir, it is.

01:44:52.000 Also, Alex, campus censorship lifting, Is the title of a short John Leo syndicated column from today's Oklahoma.

01:45:02.000 I'd like to read to you real quickly if I can.

01:45:04.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:45:05.000 An actual debate on the merits of racial preference has taken place on an American campus, Utah State University.

01:45:11.000 For the Guinness Book of Records that is interested in this news, I am not certain.

01:45:15.000 I know I am.

01:45:16.000 Astonishingly, the university administration did not step in to halt proceedings on the grounds that feelings might be hurt.

01:45:22.000 The debate was civil, with some booing and cheering on both sides.

01:45:25.000 Some students seem a bit pesky or angry, but as one student sponsor of the debate said, that's part of politics and discussing diversity of issues.

01:45:34.000 This breakthrough raises a startling question.

01:45:36.000 Is it possible that other universities will begin experimenting with free speech?

01:45:40.000 Could it be?

01:45:41.000 The fog of censorship on campuses is beginning to lift.

01:45:44.000 Well, let me stop right there.

01:45:46.000 There's a big professor out in California who simply said that Palestinians are kept in the equivalent of concentration camps, and that it's wrong, and the ADL's trying to get him fired now just for criticizing Israel, now criticizing Israel's anti-Semitic. 0.97

01:46:01.000 Oh, now you're a terrorist! 0.59

01:46:03.000 See, I mean, this isn't America anymore if we put up with this, people! 0.98

01:46:10.000 Good to be Alex!

01:46:11.000 The fog of censorship on campuses is beginning to lift thanks to the pressure of litigation, bad publicity, and ridicule from a new and more pugnacious generation of collegians.

01:46:22.000 The litigation is being handled by groups such as the Center for Individual Rights, the Alliance Defense Fund, and most spectacularly by the Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights and Education, which is now a major player in the campus wars.

01:46:37.000 These groups have been winning free speech cases one after another, creating momentum that is forcing many censorship-minded administrators into a defensive crouch.

01:46:47.000 By the way, Ron, I have had some of those groups on.

01:46:51.000 Read the names of those groups again.

01:46:52.000 Those are some good groups for Kelly Rushing to get a hold of.

01:46:57.000 The Center for Individual Rights.

01:46:58.000 Right.

01:46:58.000 This is one reason I brought it up, Alex.

01:47:01.000 The litigation is being handled by groups such as the Center for Individual Rights, Alliance, Defense Fund, and most spectacularly by the Philadelphia Space Foundation for Individual Rights and Education.

01:47:18.000 Those groups, and this was a syndicated column by John... I hear you, Ron.

01:47:22.000 I gotta let you go.

01:47:23.000 Gotta let you go.

01:47:24.000 And I got loaded phones.

01:47:25.000 I'm not gonna be able to go to calls until later in the next hour.

01:47:27.000 I'm not even sure I'll take calls for Hudson Gibson if we get through all the material we may or if he wants to take calls.

01:47:35.000 Got so much news here, but everything we've talked about has been very important as well.

01:47:41.000 Yes, that is encouraging.

01:47:43.000 And yeah, I think I've interviewed most of those groups.

01:47:45.000 Center for Individual Rights, and the Defense Fund.

01:47:54.000 Folks, help me. 0.95

01:47:55.000 Send me any good groups out there that have helped fight tyranny and violations of the First Amendment.

01:48:01.000 Send those to tips at InfoWars.com.

01:48:03.000 I'm going to have to get with I'm very frustrated that there's no way to cover it all.

01:48:08.000 confirm his case and then I'm going to have to write an article about it and try to get him some help.

01:48:14.000 My phone's ringing off the hook with stuff like this. I'm very frustrated that there's no way to cover it all.

01:48:21.000 In fact, let me just shotgun out some of the news here.

01:48:25.000 Some good news.

01:48:25.000 State House passes bill outlawing abortion, support in Senate for measure challenging Roe v. Wade decision.

01:48:32.000 The South Dakota State House has passed a bill that would outlaw abortion and challenge the landmark Roe v. Wade decision.

01:48:40.000 Approved 54-14 after two hours of emotional debate, the bill would make the practice of abortion a felony, carrying a five-year sentence.

01:48:48.000 A public interest law firm, that work with lawmakers the drop the bill says it designed

01:48:53.000 to have the u.s. supreme court reconsider its seventy three roe v

01:48:56.000 decision which struck down

01:48:59.000 state laws banning abortion so good news there 1.00

01:49:03.000 but he watched the neocons uh...

01:49:07.000 up at the supreme court uh...

01:49:10.000 rerule roe v wade and and and and and i pro-death of fashion

01:49:15.000 really scary article out of the new york times today

01:49:20.000 new york police take broad steps in facing terror meeting in secret and

01:49:25.000 coordinating complex drills The department has brought together government agencies in a broad effort for much of last year.

01:49:31.000 In doing so, it has put together a program that some national security and law enforcement officials describe as unrivaled among American cities.

01:49:39.000 Now, in this lengthy article, they get into the force roundups, the force inoculations, the quarantines, the sports stadiums, This is the government's smoke screen for a total lockdown.

01:49:50.000 And we have the head of NORTHCOM, General Eberhardt, in the LA Times, saying martial law is a good thing.

01:49:56.000 The outgoing head of CENTCOM, Tommy Franks, has said it.

01:50:00.000 It's happening.

01:50:01.000 Again, I cannot stress how serious things are right now.

01:50:06.000 And it's a chilling article, you need to read it.

01:50:09.000 Catastrophic attack possible, Bush says.

01:50:12.000 Associated Press, the United States still faces the threat of catastrophic attack by nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, President George Bush said.

01:50:20.000 The possibility of secret and sudden attack with weapons of mass destruction is the greatest threat before humanity today, he said, as he highlighted his security credentials in a weekly radio address gearing to his campaign for this year's election.

01:50:34.000 And see, they can blow something up and say, see, we told you so.

01:50:37.000 Give all your rights up.

01:50:38.000 China transferred nuclear weapons Designs to Pakistan.

01:50:42.000 We're going to have the U.N.

01:50:44.000 take over Iraq, as we told you, but now it's official.

01:50:47.000 It's all coming up, and then Hutton Gibson, you don't want to miss the rest of this show.

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01:54:01.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:54:05.000 Alright folks, we're back live.

01:54:06.000 I was just talking to my wife during the break.

01:54:08.000 She was listening to the show.

01:54:09.000 There was a lady called talking about Bible verses and how we're supposed to be armed.

01:54:16.000 And then she said how great we were and I said, well I agree with you.

01:54:20.000 And my wife said it sounded like I was saying, yes I agree with you how great we are.

01:54:24.000 No, what I meant was, for those that didn't get it, was I agree with what you said in your call.

01:54:30.000 That's what that meant.

01:54:32.000 For those that heard that.

01:54:34.000 Again, we had a lot of unexpected things come up here on the show today.

01:54:37.000 We've got stacks of news here, but we've got a really important subject coming up.

01:54:42.000 In Bush's radio address, he said, intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to get us, give all your rights up, basically.

01:54:48.000 The terrorists are resourceful.

01:54:50.000 He said, quote, America faces the possibility of catastrophic attack from ballistic missiles armed with weapons of mass destruction.

01:54:57.000 So we are developing and deploying missile defenses to guard our people.

01:55:02.000 Well, it's come out that our government's helped arm China, North Korea, Pakistan, allowed Pakistan to transfer these weapons.

01:55:08.000 So while the government's arming all our enemies, they're telling us, brace for all these attacks, and the terrorists are about to strike us, and Al Qaeda's got suitcase nukes.

01:55:18.000 That was last week.

01:55:20.000 And if they nuke something, it'll be, we're arresting whoever criticized the government!

01:55:24.000 We've got to do this to keep us safe!

01:55:26.000 Every time you complain, hey, do you see that smoke in U.S.

01:55:29.000 cities? 1.00

01:55:30.000 Shut up! 1.00

01:55:32.000 That's why it's so important to expose who's behind the terrorism. 0.99

01:55:36.000 We've got to do it now.

01:55:39.000 Here's another one.

01:55:40.000 China transferred nuclear weapons designs to Pakistan, our ally.

01:55:43.000 So has Israel and others.

01:55:45.000 China has been identified as the original source of nuclear weapons designs found in Libya and the latest disclosure about the global spread of nuclear technology, including to Pakistan.

01:55:57.000 So that's there.

01:55:59.000 Meanwhile, the military and the police are training to round you up and forcibly inoculate you and put you in camps.

01:56:05.000 For your safety, of course.

01:56:08.000 This is out of RFID Journal, the official industry publication paid for by the industry.

01:56:14.000 Promoting biometrics and other such technologies.

01:56:20.000 And it says, Oracle speaks of RFID plans.

01:56:23.000 That's Oracle. 1.00

01:56:24.000 And I saw the CEO back in, on January 31st, 1999, I saw Scott McKelvey on Lewis Rukeyser's

01:56:39.000 Wall Street Week in Review, and Rukeyser said, what do you look forward to most in the new

01:56:43.000 century?

01:56:44.000 Thank you.

01:56:45.000 He said, I look forward to putting a microchip in my son Maverick's neck and tracking everything he does.

01:56:50.000 So that's Oracle. 0.74

01:56:52.000 No, no, that's Sun Microsystems.

01:56:54.000 Oracle is the Larry Ellison, the guy that wants to make us all take national ID cards.

01:57:01.000 Excuse me, I'm a little off today.

01:57:03.000 I'm pretty upset.

01:57:04.000 The enterprise software giant sketches out what it will do to help customers meet Walmart and DoD mandates and enable item level tagging.

01:57:16.000 Now listen to this.

01:57:17.000 This is very important.

01:57:19.000 After remaining in the shadows while rival enterprise software maker ASAP takes RFID into the enterprise as public ...with the RFID plans for years, has finally outlined its plans for supporting RFID.

01:57:36.000 These are the tiny, trackable chips to be in all products.

01:57:39.000 Walmart's already doing it.

01:57:40.000 Now listen to this.

01:57:41.000 While some Oracle customers may see the announcement as long overdue, the company maintains it has been developing support for RFID and electronic product code deployments in its products for some time.

01:57:53.000 We have been working on prototyping support for RFID for three years now, but we like to do the work first before we make announcements, says John Crowley, Senior Director of Development for Oracle Inventory and Warehouse Management Systems.

01:58:10.000 At its annual Apps World Conference in January, the company had announced the next release of its Oracle Warehouse Management application, which support RFID, and then it goes on to say that It is there to support under Department of Defense and Walmart mandates.

01:58:29.000 So again, the Department of Defense and Walmart, a year ago, met with Governor Ridge and they're going to force everyone to accept the RFID at the store level.

01:58:38.000 They're mandating it.

01:58:40.000 Just amazing.

01:58:41.000 We'll be back with Hutton Gibson.

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02:00:09.000 All right, my friends.

02:00:11.000 We're already into the third and final hour of this 16th of February, 2004 Monday edition.

02:00:21.000 We have Hutton Gibson on the line with us.

02:00:22.000 We've had him on the show, I don't know, four or five times over the last year or so.

02:00:26.000 Hutton Gibson's a very interesting fella.

02:00:29.000 He was the national champion of Jeopardy back in the 60s.

02:00:33.000 Moved his family to Australia and moved back a few years ago to the United States and he's been fighting the New World Order Speaking and writing a newsletter, and he even made a little TV show that I buried here locally a few years ago, exposing the corruption in the Catholic Church and how the takeover took place.

02:00:56.000 And yes, obviously he's the father of Mel Gibson, and so you know where Mel Gibson got a lot of his insight into the New World Order, which he speaks about many times when he's in the national news, or when they don't edit that out.

02:01:07.000 Oh yeah, I'm glad to be here.

02:01:08.000 Insane as I am.

02:01:08.000 This is Hutton Gibson and we're honored to have him back on the show.

02:01:12.000 Hutton, good to have you here with us.

02:01:15.000 Oh yeah, I'm glad to be here, insane as I am.

02:01:18.000 I've been going wild the last two hours.

02:01:21.000 I don't know if you've been listening to the show today, but did you hear about all the craziness that's going on?

02:01:26.000 Yes, I did. I've been right with the show all morning, all afternoon, whatever.

02:01:32.000 Well, no, afternoon in some places and morning in other places, you're right.

02:01:37.000 Hutton, I don't want to digress, but I know you talk a lot about this.

02:01:41.000 I mean, to have a preacher in Dallas, a Presbyterian, saying that he didn't know that Jesus said, sell your cloak and buy a sword, it's hard to believe that a preacher wouldn't know that, but that cuts right to the heart of the matter of what we're facing.

02:01:57.000 You know, I've always heard these preachers say, I know every word that Christ said.

02:02:02.000 Of course, I say, you only know the words that are recorded in the gospel.

02:02:06.000 What did he do?

02:02:07.000 Walk around in silence the rest of those years?

02:02:10.000 But anyway, that's their province.

02:02:13.000 They're supposed to know that.

02:02:16.000 Absolutely.

02:02:18.000 what do you think about the listener who gave a police officer videos so he he's

02:02:22.000 been arrested now uh...

02:02:28.000 so that's a threat Well, I would suggest that everybody in the neighborhood put a real threat in this policeman's box, so he knows the difference.

02:02:38.000 And of course you're joking.

02:02:39.000 Yeah, perhaps something even worse, like a C-SPAN video.

02:02:42.000 That's what, uh, one of them was an evil C-SPAN video, Hutton.

02:02:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:47.000 That's bad.

02:02:49.000 Yeah, that's even worse than an Alex Jones video.

02:02:51.000 You know, he gave him two, a C-SPAN video and one of my videos.

02:02:56.000 Well, he didn't have the attention span for both.

02:03:00.000 You're funny.

02:03:02.000 Hutton, I had you on a few weeks ago.

02:03:04.000 We got into the New World Order and the draft and all of this, but I mean, I was captivated talking to you yesterday for 30 minutes about how the Catholic Church was taken over in 1958, or that's when one of the big takeovers took place, and I want to talk about that.

02:03:21.000 What are the basics?

02:03:23.000 Well, they had an election there in October to elect a new Pope.

02:03:29.000 And they did it twice, apparently.

02:03:30.000 The white smoke came up on October 26th.

02:03:34.000 That means we have a Pope.

02:03:36.000 And there was only one phone going in and out of the place.

02:03:38.000 The man inside called the man outside and said, Get the guard out. 0.58

02:03:42.000 We got a new Pope for you.

02:03:45.000 So, five minutes later, the smoke turned black.

02:03:48.000 The guy called back and said, Hey, it's a mistake.

02:03:54.000 Mistake.

02:03:54.000 People don't make mistakes.

02:03:56.000 The people that have a job like that, you know, it's probably been in their family for generations.

02:04:04.000 Not directly, of course.

02:04:05.000 Probably uncle to nephew, that kind of thing.

02:04:09.000 But here's a man whose job it is to put in some straw, wet or dry.

02:04:16.000 And that's all he has to do.

02:04:17.000 He's a highly intelligent man, and he's there because He can swing a lot of clout and get into the conclave, though he's not a voter, and he's going to make a mistake on a thing like that.

02:04:28.000 Sure, I believe that.

02:04:30.000 Well, I'll tell you what, we're going to go to break.

02:04:32.000 I want to go back and recap this and go over the evidence and then talk about what's happened since then and how this has affected the world and the change in the Catholic Church since 1958.

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02:08:02.000 And we're talking to Hutton Gibson, who really is an expert when it comes to tracking the decline of the Catholic Church, and he's also involved in a movement that has, you know, set up, you would say, I guess, Orthodox Catholic churches around the country.

02:08:23.000 And of course his son Mel Gibson has built one.

02:08:26.000 I guess it's in Malibu where they still perform the same rites that have been changed over the last 40, 50 years. 0.99

02:08:38.000 Hutton, I was talking to you yesterday and you had that Latin saying about not letting the bastards grind us down. 0.99

02:08:44.000 Well, it's phony Latin what it is. 0.99

02:08:50.000 The Carborundum Company that made Emery Wheels and things like that?

02:08:53.000 Uh, yes.

02:08:54.000 Well, this one is combined with two Latin words to mean, well, I'll give you the meaning, after the here, ne illegitimi carborundum. 0.99

02:09:04.000 Which means, don't let the bastards wear you down. 0.98

02:09:09.000 That's funny. 1.00

02:09:10.000 Illegitimi, they are, you know, not legitimate. 0.98

02:09:13.000 Yeah, they're, instead of saying bastard, illegitimate. 0.96

02:09:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:09:18.000 That's a good one.

02:09:19.000 That's the way Latin goes.

02:09:23.000 I've kind of modified that.

02:09:24.000 When I speak of the people in Rome, I call them the fatherless lions in Rome.

02:09:31.000 Now, Hutton, before the break, you were getting into 1958, Pope Pius dies, they have the wet straw, they have the dry straw, and for thousands of years before, they put the straw in and whatever color comes out, then that tells them.

02:09:50.000 Go over that for people that don't understand it, and then let's get into the takeover of the Catholic Church.

02:09:55.000 Well, they burn the ballots each time, so nobody knows who voted for whom after they're counted.

02:10:01.000 And then they put them in the fire there, inside the Sistine Chapel, and the smoke comes out the chimney.

02:10:09.000 It's either white or black, depending on whether the straw is wet or dry.

02:10:16.000 So, when it comes out white, that means we have a pope elected. 0.52

02:10:21.000 And this 58 there, on the 26th of October, it came out white.

02:10:27.000 And went that way for five minutes and suddenly it started getting gray and then it turned black.

02:10:32.000 And then they recalled the guards and said, hey, there's been a mistake.

02:10:36.000 As I say, that's unbelievable.

02:10:39.000 It's just not likely.

02:10:43.000 It'd be the first time it ever happened.

02:10:46.000 And then they come out two days later with our rotund good Pope John.

02:10:55.000 And he wasn't eligible.

02:10:58.000 Because to be a Pope, you have to be a Catholic. 0.82

02:11:02.000 And he was a well-placed member in the Freemasons.

02:11:06.000 And Freemasonry carried with it an automatic excommunication from the Church.

02:11:14.000 So he wasn't in the Church when he was elected.

02:11:16.000 So he wasn't eligible.

02:11:18.000 So he came out and started making changes.

02:11:22.000 Now the Pope's oath of office is to the effect that He will take exactly what was handed him from his predecessor and hand it on absolutely without change.

02:11:33.000 No additions, no subtractions, not even divisions to his successor.

02:11:40.000 And these last four have done everything but.

02:11:43.000 Of course, I don't believe they take an oath anymore.

02:11:46.000 That's beside the point because they are now superior beings.

02:11:52.000 They don't have to obey anybody.

02:11:56.000 They can correct anything that was done for 1900 years, and because they have been elected there, most people look at them and say, well, yeah, well he can do this, he's Pope. 0.93

02:12:05.000 He damn well can't do this!

02:12:08.000 But we have been infiltrated, like almost every government in the world, right from the top. 0.96

02:12:14.000 That's the way to get them, you know?

02:12:15.000 You get all the sheep on the bottom will just go along because this guy says he's Pope, And they don't look at the fact that he can't people, because he's not doing what a pope should.

02:12:26.000 And then now, suddenly we see the results, all the scandals in the church, people not attending, can't get priests.

02:12:34.000 We have, at the same time, all over the world, more and more corruption coming out, and Catholic churches have these anti-gun doctrines, so do the other churches too.

02:12:49.000 It's just amazing.

02:12:50.000 Yeah, and this is not part of the program in the church.

02:12:54.000 Nobody ever said whether or not you could carry a gun.

02:12:57.000 It's not part of the doctrine.

02:13:01.000 It's a matter of outside.

02:13:04.000 The church is doctrinaire on matters of revelation.

02:13:11.000 What is in the revelation is unchangeable.

02:13:13.000 It's God's Word.

02:13:18.000 He did not say anything about whether you should join a militia, stay out of the army, whatever.

02:13:27.000 There were no... I mean, a man, a Christian in the early days could be a member of the Roman Army.

02:13:34.000 Or could he be a member of one of the invading tribes?

02:13:36.000 It didn't make that much difference to the Church.

02:13:41.000 Because the Church's kingdom, as Christ said, is not of this world.

02:13:46.000 And you can see that it's not in this world when you look around.

02:13:49.000 Well, we can see what the establishment wants to do just over the furor with the attack on the passion.

02:13:58.000 I mean, everything that's good is bad.

02:14:01.000 Everything that is bad is good.

02:14:03.000 And you can't tell the truth for fear somebody might be offended.

02:14:09.000 You know, you tell the truth, you're not responsible for what who is or what The results are, it's incumbent upon you to tell the truth, right?

02:14:20.000 Absolutely.

02:14:21.000 I mean, look, we have all our big institutions being infiltrated, run by the same people.

02:14:28.000 So, once they got in control in 1958, what did they start doing?

02:14:32.000 Changing.

02:14:34.000 Our friendly John decided he would open the windows and let in some fresh air.

02:14:40.000 So he didn't seem to realize that it was night out, and he let all the bats in.

02:14:44.000 They were there just waiting, ready to pounce.

02:14:50.000 They were in the various congregations, they were in the various hierarchies.

02:14:54.000 The Cardinal of Vienna, for instance, was a Freemason.

02:15:01.000 Koenig was his name, which means king.

02:15:05.000 So, they had their men all through the church in the upper story, which they had told us they were going to do.

02:15:15.000 About 1850 or 1860, there was a gentleman named, I use the word loosely, Marzini, who was the head of the United Italy thing, which stole the Papal States and put all the other little kingdoms out of business, Dutchies, whatever they were, and molded them all into one country, which had not been one country since the Roman Empire.

02:15:45.000 Different peoples.

02:15:46.000 They had Greeks down in the South, Sicily, and they had Germans up in the Northwest, and on the Northeast, and in between they had all varieties. 0.88

02:15:58.000 They didn't even speak the same language.

02:16:02.000 But they were nationalized, all put together in this great craze for nationhood, by a bunch of Freemasons, who told us at the time they were going to lead us Following their flag, thinking it was our own.

02:16:18.000 And they threatened to do it, and you see the result, and they didn't do it?

02:16:24.000 Now, Hutton, I've talked to some of your associates, and I've read some books on this subject, specifically going back to 1958.

02:16:33.000 Do you have any information on what happened behind the scenes, or how they made them change the voting, or go back and then announce a new probe?

02:16:42.000 I mean, how did that take place?

02:16:45.000 Well, apparently they elected somebody and he would have been a man who was not particularly palatable to certain other interests.

02:16:58.000 And somebody went out and came back with that message.

02:17:02.000 This guy isn't going to go.

02:17:05.000 We're going to run into trouble. 0.96

02:17:06.000 Somebody's going to bomb Rome with the atom bomb.

02:17:08.000 Something like that.

02:17:12.000 Instead of standing up to them and going over to the radio and broadcasting that, they folded up and elected somebody else without getting rid of the one they had already elected.

02:17:22.000 Now, do we know who they had really elected?

02:17:25.000 Well, I have a couple of pretty good guesses.

02:17:30.000 I think it was probably Cardinal Ciri of Genoa.

02:17:35.000 Or, there's another one there.

02:17:42.000 Tedeschini.

02:17:44.000 Tedeschini, okay.

02:17:45.000 Tedeschini, I think his name was.

02:17:47.000 But they were, you might call, they would nowadays be called the right wing.

02:17:55.000 You know, I get a lot of this nonsense that I am a member of a splinter group which has left the Catholic Church and won't recognize the Pope.

02:18:06.000 Well, I'm just exactly what I started out like.

02:18:09.000 So how would you describe that as an Orthodox, I mean a Catholic, I mean how would you describe it?

02:18:14.000 Well, I wouldn't call it a movement for one thing, but it is, you'd have to say, traditional.

02:18:20.000 Okay, that's the word I should use then, not, well then Orthodox does mean traditional then.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, well Orthodox means true, that's all there is to it.

02:18:28.000 But you say Orthodox and somebody mixes you up with the But this is not a Greek Orthodox Church.

02:18:33.000 It's a Russian Orthodox Church.

02:18:34.000 Yeah, I was just using the term Orthodox to mean, you know, going back to the original.

02:18:38.000 Yes, the true doctrine, the true teaching.

02:18:40.000 That's exactly what it means.

02:18:43.000 So... How many of these churches are there now, you know, real Catholic churches in the country?

02:18:50.000 That's a very strange... You have to figure...

02:18:57.000 There are some who are, and some who are not.

02:18:59.000 I mean, we're not all united in what you might call rebelling for the same reasons.

02:19:08.000 So there's some groups out there that are doing it for different reasons, and I understand.

02:19:15.000 Some of them are doing it for cash.

02:19:21.000 I understand.

02:19:22.000 When we get back, we'll get more into this.

02:19:26.000 Who knows, maybe talk a little bit, but not give any secrets out about this Diane Sawyer interview coming up tonight on Primetime.

02:19:33.000 She's a CFR member, so I don't trust her very much.

02:19:36.000 It's all coming up, folks, with Hutton Gibson.

02:19:38.000 We're going to talk more about the transformation of the Catholic Church.

02:19:45.000 Hello, Ted Anderson.

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02:23:44.000 I didn't have Hutton Gibson on the show two weeks ago to talk about the passion of price,

02:24:00.000 the new film coming out next week on the 25th.

02:24:02.000 And I didn't have him on today to talk about it.

02:24:06.000 He's welcome to if he wants to.

02:24:08.000 But it's all interconnected.

02:24:10.000 How sick our country's gotten, how sick the world's gotten that Mel Gibson makes a film about Jesus Christ, and it's attacked, it's demonized, but it has blown up in their face.

02:24:22.000 But I do want to bring up one issue, and I'm not going to talk about it on air because I don't want to steal Mel Gibson's thunder.

02:24:30.000 You know, he told Hutton this with no intention of it going on the air.

02:24:33.000 But tomorrow we will talk about it, if it's not in the primetime live this evening, 10 o'clock Eastern, 9 o'clock Central.

02:24:42.000 I'm going to be watching it.

02:24:43.000 I hope you watch it.

02:24:47.000 And it concerns some of the statements that Mel made that are very powerful and also funny.

02:24:52.000 And we'll just see if CFR member Diane Sawyer, New World Order propagandist, puts these clips in there. 0.98

02:25:00.000 I'm looking at an ABC News synopsis of the interview coming up tonight, and it's on InfoWars.com.

02:25:06.000 I see none of the quotes I was told in there.

02:25:11.000 Hunton, it'll be interesting to see if out of a three-plus hour interview that's condensed down to 30 minutes, these quotes are in there.

02:25:19.000 Well, something's got to give, you know?

02:25:21.000 They're likely to want to be.

02:25:25.000 Well, I'm putting my bets on that the quotes you told me that Mel told you will not be in there.

02:25:31.000 Well, that's the same.

02:25:35.000 We'll have to wait and see.

02:25:37.000 But I hope we're both proven wrong.

02:25:39.000 Yeah.

02:25:41.000 All right, folks.

02:25:42.000 We'll let you know tomorrow.

02:25:44.000 Either way, it's okay to talk about it tomorrow if it's not on there, right, Hutton?

02:25:48.000 Yeah, well, one of them anyway.

02:25:51.000 Okay.

02:25:52.000 All right, well, listen.

02:25:53.000 I mean, you got my interest piqued with what you told me yesterday.

02:25:57.000 That was interesting.

02:25:58.000 Now, folks, we'll definitely be tuned in to see what happens.

02:26:01.000 But, Hutton, the changes, specifically in the Catholic Church.

02:26:06.000 I mean, you said that you started noticing it in the 60s as well, or even the late 50s.

02:26:10.000 How fast, after the Masons took over the Catholic Church, did you see the shift? 0.99

02:26:16.000 Well, it started very quickly.

02:26:19.000 We were loosened up.

02:26:21.000 You know, things became moot questions, and as I say, the man was going to open the windows with the council.

02:26:30.000 What he was doing was getting all the bishops into Rome at one time so he could share the responsibility for the changes he was going to bring in.

02:26:41.000 He did let one thing through.

02:26:43.000 He let the council revolt on him in the first place.

02:26:48.000 He should have packed it up, if he were straight, he would have packed it up and sent it home.

02:26:57.000 They refused to take the documents which were all prepared for their consideration.

02:27:01.000 Their agenda was missing.

02:27:04.000 They just voted it out, 60 to 40.

02:27:06.000 Now, to get through it should have gone 67 to 33.

02:27:14.000 Two-thirds was required, but he went along with it.

02:27:17.000 Rather than pack it up and send it home because he would His niche in history would be filled with snickers.

02:27:24.000 So basically they drove a wedge in, started balkanizing automatically, in the name of quote, power sharing to get others involved in the breakup.

02:27:33.000 That's it.

02:27:34.000 He wanted all the bishops in to approve what he was going to do.

02:27:37.000 And then he died on them after the first one went through, which was sitting there just waiting to be taken up.

02:27:45.000 It was the only thing ready to be considered.

02:27:48.000 So they went through it and went It's the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, and it's nonsense from beginning to end.

02:27:57.000 But one thing it did not order was a New Rite of Mass.

02:28:03.000 But Paul VI, when he put in the New Rite, said that he was obeying the Council in this.

02:28:08.000 Well, in the first place, the Pope doesn't have to obey a Council.

02:28:11.000 The Council's edicts are of no use until they're signed by a Pope, acting as Pope.

02:28:17.000 And Paul VI signed all these documents.

02:28:22.000 Full of changes.

02:28:24.000 But the changes in the Council, there were twelve specific heresies, outside of their first document, which I say was solid heresy.

02:28:34.000 But from there on, there was at least twelve specific heresies which I insulated, isolated, and treated in one of my books, the Pope Catholic.

02:28:45.000 And they said, among other things, Christ completed his revelation with his death on the cross.

02:28:56.000 So, you know, without the resurrection of St.

02:29:00.000 Paul it says we're all cooked.

02:29:04.000 So he's leaving out a lot of things there that he did not have revealed, that were not part of the revelation.

02:29:11.000 Including the descent of the Holy Ghost and the Apostles going out and preaching, one thing and another.

02:29:20.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

02:29:24.000 contradicted what he himself said at the last supper to the effect that...

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02:32:55.000 national rifle association decades ago it was pro-gun

02:33:03.000 Today, its job is disarming the American people.

02:33:08.000 They go into federal courts, they botch cases, they go after groups that are really pro-gun.

02:33:14.000 They're there to neutralize the five-plus million members, to pacify them.

02:33:21.000 They've been overtaken.

02:33:23.000 The Baptist churches, a lot of them are pro-New World Order, anti-gun, anti-family. 0.93

02:33:29.000 It's happened to the Methodists. 0.88

02:33:31.000 It's happened to the Episcopalian. 0.66

02:33:33.000 I mean, you see these articles all the time.

02:33:37.000 You've seen it in your own church.

02:33:40.000 And this is what the elite is good at, is going in and taking over organizations, institutions, and clearly, that's what happened with the Catholic Church after 1958.

02:33:51.000 And, Hunton, you're telling me they went in and changed the basic doctrine down to saying that Christ hadn't done his work?

02:33:59.000 That's the idea, yes.

02:34:01.000 He left us an incomplete revelation.

02:34:04.000 In one document there, the Church in the Modern World, Gaudium et Spes, they call it, in its first three words, that we are joined with the rest of men in the search for truth.

02:34:15.000 Search for truth!

02:34:17.000 When we are supposedly the vehicle for proclaiming the truth.

02:34:25.000 Why will we be searching for it when it was given to us?

02:34:28.000 It's revealed truth.

02:34:30.000 That we're talking about.

02:34:31.000 Now, at the same time you're in the United States, you start seeing the change in the Catholic Church.

02:34:37.000 What were those changes that you saw on the ground?

02:34:41.000 Well, they started off with vernacularizing.

02:34:49.000 Everything has to be put in the local language.

02:34:53.000 And then they put in a table there instead of an altar and have the priest face the congregation.

02:35:00.000 And then you have people saying, oh, I like this better because of how I can understand what he's saying.

02:35:05.000 I couldn't understand what he was saying when he was talking Latin.

02:35:09.000 The obvious answer is, well, he wasn't talking to you.

02:35:12.000 And then the translations themselves, there were plenty available, but they put out new ones.

02:35:23.000 They were wretched.

02:35:25.000 And everybody could look at him and say, my kid could do better, because he could. 0.98

02:35:29.000 So basically, we've seen the same thing with the Protestant churches, all these hundreds and hundreds of new Bibles that come out, where suddenly Jesus supports homosexuality, suddenly Jesus loves abortion, suddenly Jesus loves gun control. 0.76

02:35:45.000 I mean, I don't know, Hutton, if you've seen some of these new Bibles that are out there, but it's like Anton LaVey wrote them or something.

02:35:54.000 I kind of gave up on it after that good news for modern man came out.

02:35:57.000 I've got that and the Jerusalem Bible and about five or six other Bibles.

02:36:01.000 But it's a waste of time going now.

02:36:06.000 One of the reasons they put out new ones all the time is so they don't have to pay copyright.

02:36:14.000 It's a weird situation so that if you're going to look up a quotation you have to Find out if the other fellow has the same Bible.

02:36:24.000 Are you talking a source that both can defer to, or both will accept?

02:36:33.000 You know, when you're going to start an argument with somebody, you have to argue with him on points on which you agree.

02:36:40.000 It's amazing.

02:36:41.000 What other changes did you see?

02:36:43.000 Well, they eventually vitiated all the sacraments.

02:36:52.000 They put in a new rite of mass, which is way out of their competence, as I say.

02:36:58.000 They've got to pass on what was given to them.

02:37:00.000 And not only that, but then, as they put the new one in, they made the old one redundant, you might say.

02:37:07.000 They forbade it.

02:37:08.000 Not officially.

02:37:09.000 No one can find where they did it.

02:37:12.000 But they did it just the same.

02:37:15.000 And it was by order of the various bishops who were in on this, Well, the Bishop's Conferences, they decided a date on which this new right would be mandatory.

02:37:26.000 And you better not do the Oven, in spite of the fact that, according to the law of the Church, the Oven was privileged and nobody could be forbidden it.

02:37:34.000 And we've seen this not just with the Catholic Church, but the Constitution.

02:37:39.000 The textbooks don't quote the actual text, they tell you what it said.

02:37:43.000 We see this with other organizations, and now the world is upside down, where What you have is, goodness is evil and evil is good, is what they tell us.

02:37:54.000 Yeah, and we even have a Pope coming out this past New Year's and talking about how the New World Order is what we want.

02:38:02.000 I know, that was on CNN Live.

02:38:04.000 I even have it.

02:38:06.000 And when I talked about it on Air Hutton, I got emails saying I was a liar, that the Pope wouldn't do something like that.

02:38:13.000 Well, hell, Paul VI did something like that in 1965.

02:38:15.000 He went to the United Nations And called him the last pope of the world.

02:38:22.000 How did the world get along without him?

02:38:27.000 All those centuries.

02:38:28.000 Well, I want to know how people deny that the current pope said we need a new world order when he said it on international television.

02:38:36.000 Yeah, I've got it.

02:38:37.000 I've got it here in writing.

02:38:42.000 That was on CNN.

02:38:43.000 Yeah, I've got the CNN article.

02:38:46.000 Well, I'll tell you.

02:38:48.000 So what did you try to do to insulate your family from this apostate, counterfeit church? 1.00

02:38:54.000 Well, the first thing I had to do was take them out of the Catholic schools. 0.97

02:39:00.000 Because they were being fed nonsense there.

02:39:04.000 They brought me what they were getting in school.

02:39:06.000 I wrote a long paper, 14-inch pages, typed.

02:39:13.000 Uh, eight pages of it to the local Cardinal Archbishop of Sydney there.

02:39:18.000 A numskull by the name of James Freeman.

02:39:21.000 And, uh, I shouldn't call it that. 0.96

02:39:23.000 The poor fellow can't help it, he's a numskull. 0.83

02:39:27.000 But he's dead now, so I guess he won't get me. 0.70

02:39:31.000 Anyway, uh... Now, what did I get back from him?

02:39:36.000 He got a message back, uh...

02:39:38.000 We're not here to ram religion down your children's throats.

02:39:42.000 Oh no?

02:39:43.000 What do you think we send them to that school for?

02:39:46.000 Exactly!

02:39:46.000 So you put your child in a Christian school, a Catholic school, and then they go, we're not going to teach that anymore!

02:39:53.000 They had such nonsense as that Christ was going along in blind trust in his Father and he wound up on the cross wondering how he got there.

02:40:04.000 So what was he talking about the last supper?

02:40:07.000 Well, I mean, that's obviously a satanic doctrine that Jesus just didn't know what he was doing and had blind trust and wound up on the cross.

02:40:15.000 Yeah.

02:40:16.000 That tells you what to do with your blind trust in God, doesn't it?

02:40:20.000 I tell you, I mean, that sounds like something that a satanist would write.

02:40:24.000 Well, they were.

02:40:25.000 They had a bunch of apostates.

02:40:28.000 They were supposedly clergy, but we had clergy planted on us by the communists for, uh, since the 30s.

02:40:38.000 So basically the takeover was already taking place before 1958?

02:40:41.000 before nineteen fifty-eight yes it didn't spring all to life at one moment

02:40:47.000 they were in the veins you might say so at the lower and mid levels it was already going on and

02:40:52.000 then finally they took over the central system

02:40:56.000 well i mean i've read the writings and statements of the catholic church before

02:41:00.000 fifty-eight and it's very conservative uh... anti-world government and then after that it becomes

02:41:05.000 pro new world order You really can see the total shift.

02:41:09.000 Yeah, and you can even see it in the verbiage.

02:41:11.000 There's nothing clearer than the statement of Catholic doctrine.

02:41:14.000 But you read the documents of Vatican too, and you have to fight your way through the fog.

02:41:20.000 Hutton, before we run out of time, I've had you on many times, and never promoted the fact that you've written four books and I've got a video you made and I've got your newsletter but I haven't got one of these books.

02:41:33.000 I would love one.

02:41:35.000 You told me during a break that is the Pope Catholic is one of your best books.

02:41:41.000 How do folks get a copy of that?

02:41:42.000 Well, they can write to me at 141 Irish Street.

02:41:50.000 I know you just moved but it's And Hutton, speak up for us a little bit because we're having to boost your audio.

02:41:57.000 Give us that address, please.

02:41:59.000 141 Irish Street.

02:42:03.000 Summersville, West Virginia.

02:42:09.000 26651.

02:42:10.000 Now again, folks, I'm going to get 50 calls once I'm off air asking for this address.

02:42:14.000 Write it down now.

02:42:16.000 Here it is again.

02:42:16.000 One more time for folks, Hutton.

02:42:18.000 141 Irish Street.

02:42:22.000 Summersville, West Virginia.

02:42:25.000 That's S-U-M-M-E-R-S-V-I-L-L-E 26651.

02:42:30.000 And how much is it for the book?

02:42:34.000 $10 for the book, Catholic.

02:42:38.000 It's $10 also for The Enemy Is Here, still here.

02:42:42.000 I don't have enough copies of The Enemy Is Here, which can be gotten from Omnibook at Palmdale, California.

02:42:51.000 Box 900566 Palmdale 93590, California.

02:43:01.000 So you've written four books.

02:43:02.000 You've written, Is the Pope Catholic, The Enemy is Here, The Enemy is Still Here, and what's your fourth book?

02:43:08.000 Time Out of Mind.

02:43:09.000 That's a kind of a shortened form, a conversational form of Is the Pope Catholic?

02:43:17.000 It has none of the documentation.

02:43:20.000 In a conversational style, almost a catechism, question and answer argument.

02:43:26.000 And I've been accused of making some of these arguments up. 0.98

02:43:30.000 But honestly, I'm not that stupid. 0.95

02:43:35.000 You wouldn't believe some of the things I've heard from priests or have written to me. 1.00

02:43:39.000 And they are just ridiculous. 0.95

02:43:42.000 Well, it's like that preacher I had on in the first hour, Hutton. 0.98

02:43:47.000 Saying on air that he never heard of Luke 22-36 where Christ said, sell your garments and go buy swords.

02:43:55.000 Yeah.

02:43:57.000 And even I've heard of that one.

02:44:02.000 And Catholics, you know, we're not supposed to be great Bible readers.

02:44:07.000 But what we are is, we're not great readers of the Old Testament.

02:44:11.000 Because the idea behind that is Why bother with the foreshadow when you have the substance?

02:44:19.000 Which is the New Testament.

02:44:22.000 Absolutely.

02:44:24.000 Well, again, before we end the show, we'll give that address out one more time.

02:44:27.000 But, uh, Is the Pope Catholic?

02:44:29.000 You also have your newsletter, which is excellent.

02:44:31.000 Yeah, The War Is Now.

02:44:33.000 I've got, I'm working on number 61.

02:44:37.000 I'll tell you, you come up with the best names.

02:44:38.000 The War Is Now, Is the Pope Catholic, um, The Enemy Is Here, The Enemy Is Still Here.

02:44:46.000 That refers to the fact that on the cover of both those books is a map of Italy and here is right opposite Rome.

02:44:55.000 So, as I say, we've been taken over and nobody looks at the results and looks at where they get the competence to do the things they've done.

02:45:09.000 The church is just unrecognizable.

02:45:14.000 A lot of people have left it, and who can blame them? 1.00

02:45:19.000 Most people don't seem to get to that point where they can see the thing and say, this idiot cannot be Pope! 1.00

02:45:29.000 He says this and he says that, and what did St. 1.00

02:45:34.000 John say?

02:45:35.000 What did St.

02:45:36.000 Luke say?

02:45:37.000 What did Christ say?

02:45:40.000 So it's contradicting the gospel, but again, people don't go to the source documents to check it out.

02:45:46.000 They just say, well, this guy's wearing a big hat, so, you know, he must have the authority.

02:45:50.000 Yeah, well, they see that there's this quotation that they all use, uh, Behold, I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

02:46:01.000 But they don't leave the whole phrase in.

02:46:04.000 It starts off with, Going therefore, teach ye all nations, and I am with you all days.

02:46:09.000 For that purpose.

02:46:10.000 Now they have, since Vatican II, they have quit the missionary effort.

02:46:14.000 The church is no longer apostolic.

02:46:17.000 It does not go out and make converts.

02:46:19.000 It says, we'll negotiate with religions.

02:46:22.000 A religion has no soul. 1.00

02:46:23.000 You can't convert it.

02:46:24.000 It won't go to heaven or hell.

02:46:26.000 You work on the individual.

02:46:29.000 That's the only way.

02:46:30.000 That's what Christ said.

02:46:31.000 That's the idea.

02:46:31.000 That's part of the plot.

02:46:32.000 partly by by conversing with other religions of hope of the current popes come out and said that all religions

02:46:38.000 are one and we this world religion

02:46:41.000 uh... basically of the catholic church or what they call the catholic

02:46:45.000 church of the this abomination

02:46:47.000 uh... there in rome uh... is is saying we're gonna merge with all these other

02:46:52.000 religions that's the idea that's part of the uh... plot we have a have to

02:46:55.000 have a world government don't we

02:46:57.000 so we have to have a world religion uh... hudon how can people deny i mean the supreme court

02:47:03.000 says they follow the orders of the u n 1.00

02:47:05.000 they're they're announcing the new world order on a daily basis

02:47:09.000 uh... but then the f b i training uh... manuals say anybody that talks about it

02:47:12.000 so waving lunatic It doesn't exist.

02:47:15.000 Of course not. 1.00

02:47:16.000 As soon as you say conspiracy, you're nuts. 0.99

02:47:20.000 But, there's an awful lot of nuts around. 0.98

02:47:23.000 People are catching on to this stuff.

02:47:26.000 Unfortunately, they don't seem to be the ones that are going to church.

02:47:33.000 Well, a lot of people just go to church and they want to feel good, and the preacher wants to make them feel good, and they just tell them to go along with all this.

02:47:39.000 It's like Pat Robertson saying that, well, China's doing what it has to do with forced abortion and infanticide. 0.51

02:47:45.000 he said that on cnn he he posted on his website and i people get mad at me

02:47:51.000 every time i say he said that well i have to tell you about and uh...

02:48:01.000 Getting a chance to meet you and some of your children and grandchildren and your wonderful wife, Joy.

02:48:06.000 I mean, it's good to know that there are great folks like you out there here in the United States that have been getting the truth out for so long.

02:48:14.000 And for anybody that doubts that one person can have an effect and change people's minds, you've written four books, you've given hundreds of speeches, you've done a lot of radio interviews, uh... you know through your children you have done so much

02:48:28.000 as well and look at your son now and all these great films he's made in the

02:48:32.000 passion coming out i mean to everybody out there shame on you if you don't

02:48:37.000 take action like hudson gibson others have

02:48:43.000 i think no

02:48:49.000 so anyway

02:48:52.000 And if they have changed, and they continue to change, if they...

02:48:56.000 Every time you turn around, there's still another change.

02:48:59.000 And they were introduced in the first place, like, well, now this is the last change.

02:49:05.000 And two weeks later, in comes another one.

02:49:07.000 Everything was done step-by-step, and gradually, they involved people in the services, in the masks.

02:49:14.000 Well, it isn't a mask, of course, but they claim it is.

02:49:17.000 They call it that.

02:49:18.000 Well, they'd get people in to read the various lessons and things that were always read by the priests.

02:49:26.000 So once they started changing things, it was just a pell-mell orgy of throwing out the old, bringing in bedlam.

02:49:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:35.000 Innovation is where it was at, you know.

02:49:37.000 You get ahead by thinking up things.

02:49:40.000 They didn't want anybody around that wanted to keep what he had.

02:49:44.000 And now look at the Catholic Church today, or the abomination. 1.00

02:49:48.000 It is falling apart, and do the people running it change course?

02:49:52.000 No, they accelerate, because I guess they want it to fall apart.

02:49:56.000 Well, that's part of it.

02:49:57.000 Another thing, those that may be sincere think, well, we have to try something more.

02:50:01.000 It would be terrible if they turned around and went back to what worked for 19th centuries.

02:50:09.000 It's incredible, well... Of course they've gotten to the point where there's no clergy around anymore to do it.

02:50:17.000 Because they did change the sacrament of holy orders while they were at it.

02:50:20.000 Same day they put in a new mass, they put in a new set of holy orders and we haven't had a priest properly ordained or a bishop properly consecrated in the Latin rite that was in communication with Rome.

02:50:33.000 You might find some in China or Ukraine, someplace where the The Iron Curtain got in the way.

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02:53:57.000 It's our final segment with Hutton Gibson, been a great show today, very informative and frankly scary.

02:54:02.000 uh... for those that message uh... one more time the address ten dollars to get

02:54:06.000 is the pope catholic uh... is one four one irish street summersville west virginia

02:54:15.000 and the ship is two six six five one that's one four one irish street

02:54:21.000 like the people of ireland one four one irish street summersville west virginia

02:54:26.000 two six six five And how much to get the newsletter, Hutton?

02:54:33.000 Five dollars a year.

02:54:34.000 I put it out roughly three or four times a year.

02:54:38.000 I don't guarantee that.

02:54:40.000 It's about eight pages.

02:54:42.000 So it's a periodical and intelligence report, basically, on what's going on?

02:54:47.000 Mostly on the religious side.

02:54:48.000 Once in a while I get political.

02:54:52.000 Alright, well, again folks, that's 141 Irish Street, Summersville, West Virginia, and the zip is 26651.

02:54:59.000 Hutton, in the last few minutes we've got left, and I definitely want to have you back up again in the future to get more into the New World Order, because I respect your opinion and research on it.

02:55:08.000 What are solutions?

02:55:08.000 How do we turn this around?

02:55:11.000 This is the total takeover of every institution by the New World Order. 0.97

02:55:19.000 The only practical thing that I can think of to do it bloodlessly is secession.

02:55:25.000 Just let every state get out of the Union.

02:55:29.000 Disown the federal government and let it sit there with its public debt.

02:55:35.000 Well, that's what the Declaration of Independence says we should do.

02:55:38.000 Yeah, it says that when the government does not take care of you, you have the right to alter or abolish it.

02:55:46.000 Yeah, when it starts becoming destructive of the Bill of Rights and Constitution, bye-bye.

02:55:50.000 But FEMA says the Declaration of Independence is bad, I'd better listen to them. 1.00

02:55:55.000 Oh yeah, sure.

02:55:56.000 I'll do that.

02:55:59.000 They've got a set of laws in, I think Bush signed them in in 1991 sometime, about these seven Noahide laws.

02:56:10.000 And, you know, you're supposed to obey a bunch of laws and nobody knows what they are.

02:56:15.000 Well, that's like Patriot Act II.

02:56:16.000 Most of that is secret.

02:56:20.000 Yeah, but ignorance of the law is no excuse, is it?

02:56:24.000 But they've designed ignorance into it.

02:56:26.000 Yeah.

02:56:28.000 Well, also, we've got the Supreme Court rulings.

02:56:30.000 If something's destructive of the Constitution, it's null and void.

02:56:33.000 I'm not going to follow their corrupt laws.

02:56:36.000 And when you've got criminals running things, what do you do, Hutton?

02:56:41.000 Well, you get out from under.

02:56:44.000 You say, you boys don't belong here.

02:56:49.000 We're going to leave.

02:56:52.000 That's a little more practical than saying, you guys get out.

02:56:59.000 I don't know.

02:57:00.000 It may come to that.

02:57:02.000 So basically, coming out of Babylon, I agree, we should have some states to see.

02:57:06.000 That'll send the message and have some pockets of liberty that are left.

02:57:10.000 We're not going to fix the country by taking over Washington.

02:57:12.000 We're going to fix it by taking over our counties, our cities, our states.

02:57:16.000 That's how it's going to happen.

02:57:17.000 Hutton Gibson, it's good to know that they're wholesome, decent people like yourself and your wife and your children and grandchildren out there fighting the globalists.

02:57:27.000 It was great to have you on the show.

02:57:29.000 Be careful on your upcoming trip and God bless you.

02:57:32.000 Thank you.

02:57:32.000 It's been a pleasure to be here.

02:57:34.000 Good to be with you.

02:57:34.000 Take care.

02:57:36.000 Well, there goes Hutton Gibson.

02:57:37.000 He is such a nice guy and so smart.

02:57:41.000 And I really enjoy talking to him off air.

02:57:44.000 He's got an encyclopedic brain.

02:57:47.000 Knows so much history, it's amazing.

02:57:50.000 And those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

02:57:54.000 I'll be back tomorrow, 11 to 2 Central.

02:57:56.000 Bunch of big guests and key news coming up this week.

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