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00:00:34.000 Thank you for joining us on this live Thursday edition.

00:00:39.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

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00:00:49.000 And now we're going to dive straight into the news.

00:00:52.000 We have some guests coming up, I'll tell you about a little bit later as well.

00:00:57.000 Well, first off, I should just say, if you're joining us for the first time, this show is not left-wing, it's not right-wing.

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00:01:17.000 And I want everybody, regardless of race, color, creed, to be able to live together in happiness But that's not going to happen because the New World Order is there manipulating all the different sides to create a crisis, to create chaos, so they can give us their order.

00:01:35.000 Rumsfeld, who ordered the torture, which is now admitted, to become new head of the investigation into it.

00:01:43.000 This is from ABC News.

00:01:47.000 Of course, I should add that that's Australian news.

00:01:52.000 Same as ABC News, it's national news in Australia.

00:01:56.000 And at the same time, Rumsfeld told officers to take gloves off with the American Taliban member, Mr. Lind. 0.65

00:02:05.000 And I remember that at the time!

00:02:07.000 We've taken the gloves off, we're interrogating him very strenuously.

00:02:12.000 This was all public.

00:02:14.000 And so now it's being pointed out, John Walker Lynn, the so-called American Taliban, was stripped naked and tied to a stretcher during interrogation after the Office of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered intelligence officers to quote, take off the gloves when questioning him.

00:02:29.000 That's a quote.

00:02:30.000 Mr. Rumsfeld's legal counsel instructed the officers to push the limits when questioning Lind, captured in Afghanistan with Taliban and Al Qaeda forces in late 2001.

00:02:41.000 The treatment of Lind appears to foreshadow the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

00:02:48.000 Folks, the real Taliban and Al Qaeda, 8,000 of them, were flown out to safety out of Afghanistan.

00:02:58.000 It's that simple.

00:03:01.000 They were flown out to safety.

00:03:03.000 They were CIA.

00:03:05.000 But then they grabbed up little nobodies off the streets, off of the desert roads and mountain passes of Afghanistan and took them to Camp X-Ray for torture.

00:03:17.000 Took them to the different camps in Afghanistan, not just in Cuba.

00:03:23.000 And have been torturing the living daylights out of them.

00:03:25.000 Their own top general quit a year and a half ago, Brigadier General Rick Baucus, refusing to go along with all of this.

00:03:33.000 But don't worry, now Rumsfeld's going to do the investigation.

00:03:37.000 By the way, about a month ago, there was a report by Judicial Watch, far from, you know, evil liberals out to get Bush, you know, the folks that successfully went after Bill Clinton, A Freedom of Information Act request, they did over ten of them to the FBI, Defense Intelligence, CIA.

00:04:02.000 They all refused, but the Customs Department did release the documents with over 160 of the Bin Laden family being flown out of the country on three separate flights, September 11th, 12th, and 13th.

00:04:18.000 Finally today, in the several major Florida newspapers, including the St.

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00:04:32.000 Now again, a month ago we covered this and posted the documents, but finally it hit some major newspapers, which is news in and of itself.

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00:08:06.000 the information war continues.

00:08:08.000 it's alex jones and the gcn radio network one of the individuals

00:08:24.000 that's going to be eulogizing ronald reagan

00:08:27.000 is missouri senator

00:08:31.000 John Danforth.

00:08:34.000 And remember during the whole Waco investigation, or whitewash, in the late 1990s, Janet Reno, who ran the Waco attack with the Delta Force and elements of foreign military as well, she said, oh yes, it's an independent investigation, and her Justice Department appointed Danforth, and then her aides were his assistants, and they called this an independent Investigation of Waco and Danforth ran an incredible soft-soap cover-up of the entire operation.

00:09:10.000 It was just, it was amazing.

00:09:12.000 And then now with the 9-11 Commission, we have all these different Bush business partners and Bin Laden family business partners and Condoleezza Rice business partners up there sitting in judgment and putting out their report yesterday saying no fault of Clinton, no fault of Bush protecting Al Qaeda. 0.59

00:09:31.000 It's all the CIA and FBI's fault. 0.99

00:09:33.000 They're just idiots and they need more funding and more power. 1.00

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00:09:40.000 And now, Rumsfeld, according to ABC News, Rumsfeld, who ordered the torture to become new head of the investigation into it.

00:09:51.000 U.S.

00:09:51.000 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is expected to replace the two-star general investigating the prisoner abuse scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail With a more senior officer than the New York Times reported, the senior officer will report directly to Rumsfeld.

00:10:07.000 Defense officials told the Daily that General John Abizid, commander of U.S.

00:10:12.000 forces in the Middle East, has asked for the change because Army regulations prevent the investigator, General George Fay, from interviewing his superiors.

00:10:23.000 General Fay has said he could not complete the investigation without interviewing the ground commander in Iraq, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez.

00:10:32.000 Lieutenant General Sanchez has recused himself as the reviewing authority for General Fay's report.

00:10:37.000 The Daily says that he has asked General Abizid, I'm sorry if I mispronounced that, Abizida, or however you pronounce it, I can't pronounce it, that a higher ranking officer be appointed to conduct a review in the investigation.

00:10:51.000 Defense officials say the General made the request of Mr. Rumsfeld, who will most likely approve it.

00:10:56.000 The Daily has been told that General Fay's final report is delayed by 30 days as an important witness who has refused to cooperate, has changed his mind, and agreed to work more closely with investigators, with whitewashers.

00:11:09.000 The identity of the witness has not been revealed, and Army officials insist General Sanchez is not a target of the investigation.

00:11:16.000 But it goes on to say that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is running the investigation through these generals out of his office.

00:11:26.000 It's like having Jeffrey Dahmer be the prosecutor and the judge in the Jeffrey Dahmer case.

00:11:33.000 I mean, it's just amazing.

00:11:35.000 We all know that Rumsfeld got up on TV and bragged about torture, and that the CIA bragged about it, and there were a hundred editorials, if there weren't two hundred, lauding the virtues of torture.

00:11:45.000 That was a New York Times headline in the last two and a half years.

00:11:50.000 And then now we're all shocked when we see the images of the torture.

00:11:55.000 And here's another one out of London Independent.

00:11:57.000 Rumsfeld told officers to take gloves off with Lind.

00:12:01.000 And we already went over some of this.

00:12:02.000 The supposed, you know, Taliban, American Taliban.

00:12:05.000 And Rumsfeld, it's now admitted by the CIA and the Pentagon.

00:12:09.000 This is being leaked.

00:12:10.000 Documents seen by Los Angeles Times show that when a U.S.

00:12:13.000 Army intelligence officer started to question Lind, he was given instructions that the Secretary of Defense Counsel has authorized him to take the gloves off and ask whether he And ask whatever he wanted.

00:12:25.000 The documents show that in the early stages, Lind's response were cable to Washington every hour.

00:12:32.000 And it says that Lind initially pled not guilty, but he later admitted reduced charges and was sentenced to 20 years.

00:12:38.000 He and his lawyers also agreed to drop claims that he had been tortured by a U.S.

00:12:41.000 personnel.

00:12:42.000 I don't know.

00:12:43.000 I mean, he was stripped naked for the 20-plus hour flight, chained down on a metal plank.

00:12:49.000 I mean, that's torture enough.

00:12:51.000 I mean, they publicly put these people in hoods, mask over their mouths, earplugs, bow on their hands, chain them down, squatting on their knees for days.

00:13:03.000 That's one of the most severe forms of torture, my friends.

00:13:05.000 You try doing it for ten minutes and then add the sensory deprivation and see if you don't go crazy.

00:13:13.000 But the torture's a lot worse than that.

00:13:15.000 I mean, there's stuff they've done that's admitted that I can't even talk about on air.

00:13:18.000 It's so pornographic in nature.

00:13:21.000 But it's the same old story, whether it's Waco, 9-11, Oklahoma City, or the torture scandal, the foxes are guarding the hen house.

00:13:30.000 The foxes have appointed weasels to sit in trial of them, of their treatment of the hens.

00:13:40.000 People could say, well, we're in a war, we gotta torture.

00:13:42.000 You know, that's been the M.O.

00:13:43.000 we've all heard.

00:13:45.000 But I thought we took over Saddam because he tortured.

00:13:48.000 I thought the Taliban were bad because they tortured.

00:13:50.000 I thought torture was back as Joseph Mengele did it.

00:13:53.000 I know I talk a lot about torture, but in a society where they come out and say they're torturing people and it's good, then we see the images of it, then they try to deny it, and there's this memory hole, to use the Orwellian term, of just day-to-day stories changing 180 degrees, and this isn't being pointed out by the mainstream media.

00:14:16.000 It needs to be pointed out.

00:14:21.000 Very, very serious to be facing this, and I don't know, what's your take on it?

00:14:29.000 Rumsfeld investigating himself, but clearly it isn't just Rumsfeld.

00:14:34.000 And in this London Independent article, it talks about how the council, Rumsfeld's council, was saying, yeah, go ahead and torture him, do whatever you want, take the gloves off.

00:14:44.000 Well, it's the same Pentagon council saying, Rumsfeld says that Bush is above any federal or international law.

00:14:51.000 And that we can torture whoever we want.

00:14:53.000 I mean, those actual memos are now public.

00:14:57.000 Sections of them.

00:14:58.000 Attorney General Ashcroft and Rumsfeld are blocking the other releases of other memos.

00:15:04.000 And of the full memos.

00:15:06.000 So we have them doing this.

00:15:08.000 I mean, it's confirmed.

00:15:10.000 And the question is, will they be held accountable?

00:15:12.000 Because if they aren't held accountable, and they just burn a few patsies who followed orders, and that doesn't abstain them from guilt either, then it sets the precedent for the globalists to continue torture on a mass scale.

00:15:22.000 What we're seeing is the process of legitimizing torture.

00:15:29.000 And I've talked ad nauseum about how every time I turn television on, and I literally don't watch more than an hour a week, But every time I'm in a restaurant and a big screen TV is on, or I'm at the local TV station and they've got monitors on with different channels, and I stop and watch five minutes of Keith or Sutherland's 24, ABC News' Threat Matrix,

00:15:52.000 Or The Shield or any of these shows.

00:15:55.000 Every time I turn the TV on and flip through channels, the police are torturing some drug dealer and it's good.

00:16:01.000 Torture's good.

00:16:02.000 They've got some supposed terrorist in a torture chair electrocuting him.

00:16:06.000 And you know, they're the good guys. 0.90

00:16:07.000 They have to do it.

00:16:08.000 You know, they're sad they have to do it.

00:16:11.000 I mean, this is a mass program of warping our minds.

00:16:14.000 And we have to say no.

00:16:16.000 We have to say no, torture's wrong.

00:16:19.000 It's like saying to Hitler, no it's wrong to shut down these businesses of people you don't like and to arrest your political enemies and to put them in slave labor camps.

00:16:28.000 if somebody would have been there and said no and stood up and admitted what

00:16:32.000 was happening early on, Hitler wouldn't have been able to get away with what he did! 0.93

00:16:39.000 You know, if we stood up and said no to what Israel's doing, torturing living daylights, they admit they torture people 0.89

00:16:48.000 in their hundreds of huge prisons,

00:16:50.000 including Israelis that refuse to be conscripted.

00:16:53.000 You If people in Israel more aggressively stood up and pointed out what's even been admitted in Haraz and in the Jerusalem Post, that the Israeli government has been behind a lot of the terror attacks, then that would stop.

00:17:07.000 If we stood up and pointed out that our government's behind the terror attacks, Then it would stop.

00:17:12.000 If we stood up and exposed that the British MI6 and MI5 are admittedly behind many of the terror attacks, it would stop.

00:17:19.000 They would lose that power.

00:17:21.000 If more Russians stood up against Putin, which basically now is too late, and exposed the fact that he's been behind the terrorism.

00:17:29.000 Then that country could be free.

00:17:31.000 But they decided, oh, you can't fight City Hall.

00:17:33.000 You know, that's just a way of life in Russia.

00:17:35.000 So they're slaves now.

00:17:36.000 They were slaves a year ago.

00:17:37.000 They were slaves a hundred years ago.

00:17:39.000 They'll be slaves a hundred years from now.

00:17:42.000 But in America, we had a different history of, yes, we had a lot of evils and a lot of problems, but we had a way of standing up against them and defeating those evils.

00:17:52.000 But not anymore, because it's the age of the yuppie.

00:17:56.000 The age of people thinking they're part of the system!

00:17:58.000 The age of rationalizing what's happening and being in deep denial!

00:18:07.000 You gotta get out of that denial!

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00:24:11.000 you We have Bob Chapman, who's with Army Intelligence, a great economist and researcher, made a lot of stunning predictions to talk about the economy, the New World Order, impending terror attacks, in the next hour.

00:24:29.000 Right now, let's go ahead and open the phones up, and then we'll continue with a lot of important news in the next segment.

00:24:37.000 George in Canada, you're on the air, go ahead.

00:24:40.000 Good day, Alex.

00:24:41.000 Welcome.

00:24:41.000 We're having an election up here in Canada, and I just want to make sure that a lot of your listeners who are listening north of the parallel understand that the leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Harper, He was attending the Bilderberg Convention in Canada last year.

00:24:55.000 It was in the Toronto Sun, May 15, 2003, so I'm sure it's gone down the memory hole.

00:25:00.000 He attended with our then Prime Minister, Khrushchev, who shortly thereafter retired and offered his position to the incumbent, now Mr. Martin.

00:25:10.000 And Mr. Harper was chosen as our new Prime Minister then.

00:25:13.000 So Mr. Martin is to throw the election, and Mr. Harper is going to pick up all the loose change by exposing an old scandal.

00:25:20.000 So don't be sucked into voting for this guy, because he's the pick of the New World Order.

00:25:24.000 Vote for the most common down-to-earth neighbor you have, but don't waste your time or your money on this guy.

00:25:30.000 Another interesting thing I came across in some research was a terrorist attack in the United States diverted back in the Nixon era.

00:25:39.000 I was in a book called The Glasshouse Tapes by Lewis Tackwood, who was affiliated with the Los Angeles Police Department.

00:25:45.000 They were going to have a Republican convention in Los Angeles.

00:25:50.000 And he was an agent provocateur, he was supposed to hire a bunch of street thugs to fight the police, while at the same time, law enforcement agents working for the Nixon White House in an intelligence part of the LAPD were going to plant explosives In the convention hall.

00:26:05.000 No, that's a famous case.

00:26:07.000 That is confirmed.

00:26:08.000 In fact, that's another example.

00:26:10.000 I mean, there's so many examples of government-sponsored terrorism that I forgot about that one.

00:26:15.000 Well, you're having two conventions coming down the trail, and why I think that's important is these guys aren't too small.

00:26:20.000 Their handbook only has a couple of pages.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, but tell folks how that last one got canceled.

00:26:26.000 Because if good law enforcement inside the system blows the whistle on it, even covertly, the globalists will cancel it.

00:26:33.000 Exactly.

00:26:34.000 Well, with the Watergate break-ins and things starting to crumble around Mr. Nixon, this plot, and they were going to kill the delegates, and then that would give Nixon cause to declare a national emergency, become El Presidente for life.

00:26:47.000 But one of the ringleaders of this, when the Republican Convention was moved to Miami, was a gentleman by the name of James McCord.

00:26:55.000 He was the chief of security at that place, 19-year CIA veteran.

00:26:59.000 And he was in charge of a 16-man unit that was concerned with planning and preparing for this process.

00:27:05.000 And he got turned in, he was caught, he was arrested.

00:27:09.000 The plot fell apart.

00:27:12.000 And again, that's on the record, but we never hear about it.

00:27:15.000 Well, it's gone down the memory hole.

00:27:17.000 Years ago, I read some news articles about that, and I can't place them.

00:27:17.000 You know what?

00:27:21.000 Will you Xerox copy pages of your book, of that book, and mail them to me?

00:27:26.000 Well, one place I have found it, I found it on the internet, conveniently, by researching the Kennedy assassination.

00:27:32.000 This was published in 1972, as I recall, in an article by Martha Mitchell.

00:27:38.000 And it was published in a magazine called The Realist.

00:27:41.000 So if you search MarthaMitchell.com, you'll get this article, and there's also a very good one about the Kennedy assassination.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, and I've seen that other places.

00:27:49.000 I mean, I remember the whole attack getting foiled.

00:27:51.000 It was minor news, but...

00:27:53.000 That shows you how much of this stuff does go down the memory hole.

00:27:57.000 Exactly.

00:27:58.000 That's why history is so important.

00:27:59.000 Hey, I hear you.

00:28:00.000 Listen, I've got to let you go, my friend.

00:28:01.000 Good to hear from you.

00:28:02.000 I've got to give everybody time here.

00:28:05.000 Let's talk to Andrea in Ohio. 0.97

00:28:07.000 Go ahead.

00:28:08.000 Good afternoon, sir.

00:28:09.000 Welcome.

00:28:10.000 Another place you may be able to find that information, it's been years since I've read it, but there's a Jonathan Stockwell book called The Secret Wars of the CIA.

00:28:19.000 I'm familiar with it.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:22.000 But about this torture thing, are there any Christian or faith groups out there who are opposing this?

00:28:29.000 Because my experience has been, over the last couple of weeks, especially in conservative Christian circles, this mindset of, well, they do worse things to us, so, you know, it's almost a a rationale that they've come up with. Well that was the

00:28:48.000 whole point of the scripting of CBS releases the torture photos that they had for a long time.

00:28:52.000 Then they show Burr getting his head cut off, oh see this is okay.

00:28:57.000 And this is sick. I've had people on this show that say yeah, torture's good.

00:29:01.000 And then I wonder how those individuals out there feel.

00:29:05.000 And you know, all the pundits that have been on television out there promoting torture.

00:29:09.000 Now that all these horrible images come back and we learn of the rape of women. 0.90

00:29:13.000 Beating people to death. 0.88

00:29:15.000 I mean, how can... and I've heard the so-called Christians snickering on talk radio about it. 0.97

00:29:21.000 It's very funny.

00:29:23.000 It would be funny if it weren't so frightening.

00:29:26.000 And the thing is, too, if you compare how this propaganda works, I'll never forget reading a Robert J. Liston book, The Nazi Doctors.

00:29:34.000 I tell you what, stay there, I'm gonna let you finish up. 0.83

00:29:38.000 It's sick, people!

00:29:39.000 I mean, torture is not good!

00:29:41.000 I mean, do I have to go over this?

00:29:44.000 I mean, what happened to us?

00:29:47.000 Stay there, we'll be right back.

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00:33:29.000 Let's go ahead and go back to Andrea in Ohio.

00:33:32.000 She was talking about how it's supposedly Christian now. 1.00

00:33:38.000 According to some people, they make excuses for it and say, oh well, raping and killing and beating people to death, you know, we've got to get tough on the war on terror, we've got to do it to those evil Muslims. 1.00

00:33:50.000 So, according to that worldview, I've said this before, I guess Joseph Mingala was okay. 0.99

00:33:56.000 I don't think that the Nazi torture master was good, but maybe that's because I'm a devil worshipper. 0.86

00:34:02.000 Well, I mean, you know, because now to be Christian, you've got to love Molech. 1.00

00:34:06.000 You've got to love George Bush.

00:34:08.000 You've got to love the police state.

00:34:11.000 You've got to love the New World Order.

00:34:13.000 And if you're against torture, why, that's quite devilish.

00:34:15.000 It's like Nancy Reagan.

00:34:16.000 We need the body parts of the children, the stem cell research.

00:34:20.000 And I have confirmed now, some of the neocons are out saying, yes, yes, yes. 0.99

00:34:23.000 So now if you're not for using body parts of children, you're a wicked devil. 0.98

00:34:28.000 But go ahead. 0.99

00:34:29.000 Sure.

00:34:29.000 Now, it has some really interesting historical parallels, because you see what the Nazi doctors did They did a similar type of thing, you see, Alex.

00:34:39.000 They used the war as a pretext to start the euthanasia program, which first began on German citizens who were mentally ill or physically handicapped.

00:34:53.000 They could be blind or crippled or whatever.

00:34:56.000 And so what they did was they conditioned the public, much in the same way as we're being conditioned, with these films, such as the one I accused, that was a famous Nazi euthanasia film in which it was portrayed in a sympathetic light.

00:35:13.000 There were also training films for doctors teaching them, you know, basically showing mentally ill patients in a disgusting light.

00:35:25.000 And the reason I'm saying all that is that propaganda, whether the Nazis used it or we used it, It operates much the same way. 0.70

00:35:35.000 I mean, other callers have said this, they build a straw man only so that he can be knocked down again.

00:35:42.000 And they create a quote-unquote ethical quandary.

00:35:46.000 Of course, the reality is nothing like the scenarios they create in these shows like Threat Matrix and 24.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, there's a nuclear bomb.

00:35:56.000 They gotta have the answers.

00:35:58.000 And the loving control officer straps him down and cries and says, I don't want to torture you.

00:36:04.000 And the bad person goes, ah, go ahead.

00:36:07.000 Because they're inhuman and they go ahead and zap them in blood sprays.

00:36:11.000 But they save everybody.

00:36:13.000 Torture's really good.

00:36:15.000 The reality is what it was in Latin America.

00:36:20.000 I can remember reading the old Amnesty International and America's Watch reports.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, they'd just pull a family over in their little truck, walk them out, put a bullet in daddy, mommy's head, line the toddlers up, mow them down.

00:36:32.000 Sure. 0.99

00:36:33.000 Or take them in a pit. 0.99

00:36:34.000 Yeah, and torture them for their training. 0.94

00:36:37.000 You know, they're training people to do this.

00:36:39.000 So they would grab somebody off the street and Well, ma'am, you've certainly done your homework.

00:36:47.000 I've actually seen documentaries and read a lot about what the Nazis did, but actually they learned all this from American and British eugenics experts, Margaret Sanger and others, and in the Nuremberg trials, they actually tried to use the Margaret Sanger doctrine as their defense.

00:37:04.000 Again, the head of Planned Parenthood, the founder of it, and just chilling stuff, and it did start on the retarded children, people who were handicapped, And they built the cadre out of that, and now we call it bioethics today, and it's being promoted. 0.99

00:37:20.000 And again, it's not just conservatives that are out fighting it.

00:37:22.000 Wesley Smith, who's a Democrat, writes for the Wall Street Journal.

00:37:28.000 He's done dozens of reports listing the names of people who are paralyzed, neck down, begging for food and water.

00:37:36.000 But because they signed over control of their life to the state, the state says, oh, you didn't want any aid, and they're begging, asking, man, please have water, food.

00:37:44.000 I mean, he's listed the names, and they're killing people.

00:37:47.000 How many Americans, I guess who don't read the Wall Street Journal, know that they're killing people begging for food and water?

00:37:55.000 I think what has happened, if we've entered what I've heard called a culture of complacency, And we either don't care... Well, Wesley Smith calls it a culture of death.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, it is a culture of death.

00:38:06.000 And we either don't care, or in the Christian world, there's this mindset that says, oh, well, prophecy's got to be fulfilled, so we can't do anything about it anyway.

00:38:18.000 Or they're just so preoccupied with their own little lives.

00:38:22.000 I mean, I think it struck me the other night.

00:38:25.000 Just, you know, I mean, everybody's just going out to a restaurant, doing what they normally do, and, I mean, it's what Hannah Arendt calls the banality of evil.

00:38:37.000 I hear you, and I appreciate the call.

00:38:39.000 Good to hear from you.

00:38:40.000 Wow.

00:38:40.000 Good call.

00:38:41.000 Carlos in California.

00:38:43.000 Carlos, go ahead.

00:38:45.000 Hello?

00:38:46.000 Yes, sir.

00:38:48.000 Yes, uh, Carlos here.

00:38:50.000 Yes, sir.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, Alex, uh, so this, uh, It's uh... commissions that are appointed are nothing but uh... washovers to camouflage the truth and counterfeit truth uh... you know during the uh... the warren commission and we go back through history uh... was there to whitewash and uh... obscure the truth about the kennedy assassinations and of course the new world order appointed some other people to it to uh... such as uh... Ford and uh...

00:39:21.000 Next President Ford, and of course they rewarded him.

00:39:25.000 And Earl Warren himself!

00:39:28.000 Exactly!

00:39:29.000 Well of course!

00:39:31.000 And then the 9-11 Commission, you've got some very questionable characters there.

00:39:36.000 You've got a Mr. Keene, who owned some of the stocks in some of the military industrial corporations that are reaping profits from the Okay, let me just say something here, Carlos.

00:39:54.000 that you really are but the very update uh...

00:39:57.000 are not large who have been uh... uh...

00:40:02.000 and far by mister

00:40:04.000 com dot the heroin cheap uh...

00:40:07.000 a heroin cheap of operations in southeast asia as one of the government uh...

00:40:12.000 people who would go and buy blog okay let me let me just say something here carlos

00:40:17.000 number one who appointed the nine eleven commission

00:40:21.000 George W. Bush.

00:40:23.000 That shows it's not independent.

00:40:25.000 It's like they appoint the new Iraqi government, and then go, oh look, we've given them freedom, our appointees want us to stay.

00:40:32.000 I mean, this is so bald-faced, in-your-face, that it's staggering, just the wall of just obvious lies, and Chairman Keene He's in business with one of Bin Laden's brothers-in-law.

00:40:48.000 He's in a bunch of different businesses with Bush.

00:40:51.000 The head staffer on it helped write Connelisa Rice's book for a bunch of the other members.

00:40:58.000 The Democrat who quit a few months ago got the head of the import-export bank.

00:41:01.000 Bush gave him that chairmanship.

00:41:04.000 It's a joke!

00:41:06.000 Again, it's like we've got Ashcroft investigating Rumsfeld For torture, and then Rumsfeld's running the investigation over himself.

00:41:18.000 I mean, do we have to explain that the criminals aren't supposed to be the prosecutors in their own trials?

00:41:25.000 Well, you know, the sad thing is that most Americans are so gullible that they don't see through the obvious things that other Americans that do a little bit of research do. 0.99

00:41:36.000 You know, Americans don't care, basically, and that's why they're the most ignorant people on the Earth. 0.97

00:41:43.000 And that said, this being the greatest economic power, the greatest democratic power, we have people that are so gullible and naive, and our nation is falling apart because of our lack of knowledge. 0.98

00:41:58.000 Well, you're right, Carlos, but Carlos, that's the cycle.

00:42:02.000 In every major civilization, they're strong to begin with, intelligent, informed, Then, because they're free, they become wealthy, you have plenty, and then their children become spoiled brats, their children become thugs, their children become killers, and then you've got tyranny.

00:42:23.000 And it happens over and over and over again, and so we're decadent, and you're right.

00:42:29.000 Just 50 years ago, Americans were the smartest people in the world, the highest test scores, the most educated.

00:42:38.000 Okay, now we are behind all industrialized countries and 20 plus third world countries.

00:42:46.000 We're way down the list now for the level of education and being informed.

00:42:54.000 They have major polls every year of high school seniors and one year it's 75%, one year 89%.

00:43:01.000 Don't know who the Vice President is.

00:43:03.000 Don't know how many continents there are.

00:43:05.000 Don't know what the First Amendment is.

00:43:08.000 Uh, don't know the three branches of government.

00:43:11.000 Uh, can't name five state capitals.

00:43:13.000 Sir, they don't know anything, but they'll tell you their opinion about torture, Carlos!

00:43:21.000 Well, it's so sad, you know.

00:43:23.000 There's a deliberate dumbing down of the people, which of course is controlled by the New World Order.

00:43:29.000 They control the educational system.

00:43:32.000 They impose collective philosophies, and they They downgrade and debunk any individual achievement.

00:43:42.000 It's all supposed to be a collective achievement by the student.

00:43:48.000 And again, you're right.

00:43:50.000 That is not... You have some wonderful communist society that they've promised us, which of course is a fraud.

00:43:57.000 It's so the elite doesn't have any competition for their total domination.

00:44:00.000 Thanks for the call.

00:44:02.000 Another great caller.

00:44:03.000 Ken in California, go ahead Ken.

00:44:06.000 Yes, John Ashcroft stated two days ago in that investigation that we're not covered by the Geneva Convention because our so-called enemies Are not wearing uniforms.

00:44:17.000 They don't come from a state.

00:44:18.000 Let me stop you, Ken, because a lot of people don't know what you're talking about.

00:44:21.000 You're making another incredible, just incredible call after incredible call.

00:44:24.000 Ashcroft, before Congress, testified about the torture, said he won't release all the memos where they say Bush is God and is allowed to torture and is above all federal laws.

00:44:33.000 We did get those pieces of the memo, but He's refusing to release or investigate it, and yes, I didn't see it, but I read the transcript.

00:44:41.000 Then with Doublethink, oh, we're not torturing, we're not going to give you the information, but at the same time, oh, but we're allowed to, because we're not under the Geneva Convention, because these are enemy combatants.

00:44:50.000 Go ahead.

00:44:50.000 I have never heard such doublespeak in my life.

00:44:54.000 I mean, it was... I mean, I saw the whole thing, and it was just... It was absolutely astounding.

00:45:00.000 He kept repeating, the President has not ordered anything that...

00:45:03.000 countervenes the Geneva Convention and then they they pressed him and they said

00:45:07.000 but what about torture itself and he says he has not countervened the Geneva

00:45:13.000 He really would not answer the question.

00:45:15.000 It's obvious that these memos going back and forth, he gave the advice, and torture is okay.

00:45:21.000 Well, General Antonio Tagumas' report of, what, five weeks ago, has the admissions, the confessions, he saw the thousands of photographs and videos, they admit raping women. 0.91

00:45:35.000 Beating people to death.

00:45:37.000 Beating children in front of their parents. 0.99

00:45:40.000 Reuters, uh, cameramen have had their children tortured in front of them.

00:45:43.000 That's been in Reuters.

00:45:44.000 It's all in the report.

00:45:46.000 Then the other Army report says 70 to 90 percent of those in the 32 camps were arrested at checkpoints for not having papers in order.

00:45:54.000 And they've almost all got children with them.

00:45:59.000 And I mean, look, who would go take a job?

00:46:01.000 They admit they went to prisons, this has now come out, that had Bad records that were being investigated.

00:46:08.000 Ashcroft, a year ago, a year plus ago, sent feds in to give people bonuses to join the military.

00:46:16.000 Prison guards with bad records.

00:46:18.000 They did this on purpose.

00:46:20.000 Go ahead.

00:46:21.000 I think we need an independent prosecutor.

00:46:23.000 But how are we going to get an independent prosecutor when the Republicans who support the President, which are the majority in Congress, Have to appoint the independent prosecutor.

00:46:33.000 What are we supposed to do?

00:46:34.000 But again, you didn't see Bill Clinton shutting down School of America in Georgia, the tortured university.

00:46:40.000 You don't see the Democrats calling for real investigations.

00:46:43.000 So again, you say the Republicans.

00:46:45.000 Again, you have to know, sir, that Bush and Kerry and all of this, it's a staged event.

00:46:50.000 It's theater.

00:46:51.000 Yes, I know.

00:46:52.000 I do agree with you.

00:46:53.000 But don't you think that if we put enough pressure on the Congress, that they'll finally have to appoint some kind of independent counsel to investigate this thing?

00:47:00.000 Yeah, but, I mean, they called this, the 9-11 Commission, independent when Bush appointed it.

00:47:04.000 They called Danforth, appointed by Reno, over the Waco investigation, independent.

00:47:08.000 They're calling Rumsfeld, running the torture investigation, independent, when the memos are out there, when he gave the order.

00:47:14.000 So... Is it under federal law?

00:47:17.000 I understand.

00:47:18.000 And that's why the memo before all this torture from the Defense Department by Rumsfeld says we're above the law.

00:47:23.000 that's considered first-degree murder now that we can the process of a felony

00:47:27.000 somebody died it and that is why the memo before all this torture from

00:47:31.000 the defense department by rumsfeld says we're above the law

00:47:35.000 the president is not bound by federal law or so i guess that means he can

00:47:41.000 you know snort cocaine on the white house water or or or did you know he's not bound by law they're saying

00:47:48.000 Thanks for the call.

00:47:49.000 Thank you.

00:47:49.000 And of course they are bound by law.

00:47:54.000 I mean, when the government starts saying we're not bound by our own laws, folks, we know they've been ignoring their own laws forever and selectively enforcing them, but heaven help us when they start publicly saying we're not bound by laws.

00:48:06.000 I mean, that is Stalin-esque.

00:48:09.000 That is Hitlerian. 0.98

00:48:11.000 That is Mao Zedong-ish.

00:48:13.000 That is Fidel-ish.

00:48:17.000 Again, I'm speechless at this point.

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00:54:01.000 he's the t-rex of political talk alex jones on the gcn radio network

00:54:10.000 you know the good news is that we're still able to get up on the radio on

00:54:13.000 a m and f m stations across the country from kansas city to pensacola florida

00:54:17.000 from rhode islander los angeles california from austin texas to

00:54:22.000 you know denver colorado and and and and it's all the truth And that it's not part of this phony left-right paradigm.

00:54:29.000 And the best news I can give you is this.

00:54:31.000 I have talked on the streets to thousands of people.

00:54:35.000 I have done, now it's over 1,600 radio interviews in the last two and a half years.

00:54:41.000 And maybe one call out of 30 calls in and disagrees.

00:54:43.000 Liberal shows, conservative shows.

00:54:45.000 People are waking up.

00:54:48.000 I've talked to a lot of Hollywood people that are getting past the phony left-right system and waking up to the New World Order.

00:54:55.000 I mean, very divergent groups.

00:54:59.000 So much is happening.

00:55:03.000 I'm consulting for two British TV documentaries.

00:55:07.000 I'm consulting on two films, major motion pictures.

00:55:14.000 I am, you know, writing forwards for books, and it's so diverse.

00:55:19.000 There is such an awakening taking place.

00:55:22.000 Got a call yesterday, I haven't seen it yet, but the new Running Man release, 2004 DVD, supposedly has a 20-minute special, saying, look at the Running Man!

00:55:29.000 This is all really happening in America!

00:55:31.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:55:31.000 It's horrible! 0.99

00:55:32.000 We're the producers!

00:55:33.000 We're upset!

00:55:35.000 And so, you know, folks, a lot of stuff is happening right now.

00:55:40.000 And my only My only regret is I can't do more for my country and my family.

00:55:47.000 That sounds corny, but literally, I can't do more in this fight.

00:55:51.000 I wish I could.

00:55:51.000 I'm trying to work smarter.

00:55:53.000 But you can take action.

00:55:55.000 You can do more.

00:55:56.000 You can become incredible leaders in this fight.

00:55:59.000 You have power.

00:56:01.000 Let's go ahead and take more calls.

00:56:05.000 Winston in Alabama.

00:56:07.000 Winston, go ahead.

00:56:08.000 Okay, Alex.

00:56:09.000 I've got three quick points.

00:56:11.000 Also, there's a little clip on the end of the Matrix that's similar to that, where the producer's just talking about it, and he talks about how there is a secret behind the secret, and it's on the end of the Matrix.

00:56:26.000 But at any rate, that's not what I called it.

00:56:27.000 Which Matrix is that?

00:56:29.000 I think it's the first one.

00:56:32.000 Are you saying it's something extra on the DVD?

00:56:34.000 DVD, right.

00:56:35.000 Uh-huh.

00:56:36.000 Wow!

00:56:38.000 So, they're around.

00:56:39.000 A lot of those DVDs have extra stuff.

00:56:42.000 Also, though, a few years ago, I picked up this CD in a record shop called, uh, the Movie Minority Report.

00:56:49.000 I'm sure you're familiar with that.

00:56:51.000 Yes!

00:56:52.000 And, uh, I just had been listening to you for a while, and it amazes me at how saturated we are with this new way of thinking.

00:57:01.000 For instance, this CD is free, and I just picked it up, you know, to see what it was, put it on my computer, and it's a game!

00:57:08.000 And the name of the game is Welcome to the Department of Pre-Crime.

00:57:12.000 And you have a case you have to find and identify the perpetrator of the pre-crime.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, that's a Philip K. Dick book and um... and uh... Spielberg is definitely on the other side.

00:57:23.000 He goes to Bilderberg Group meetings uh... and they basically took that film and it's a big conditioning mechanism.

00:57:30.000 Well this is a little game that you play on your TV.

00:57:32.000 Yeah, I know they had a game with it and the fake TV ads and the rest of it.

00:57:36.000 Alright, the other thing I wanted to mention Well, there was another movie called The Trial by Orson Welles, 1963.

00:57:42.000 It was just another movie I picked up, and it basically is about how, and it's basically what's going on now, where they have a guy's convicted, uh, arrested, but nobody will tell him what he's arrested for.

00:57:56.000 And everybody just says, you know what, you know what to do.

00:58:00.000 And that's what Homeland Security does, and they're setting that precedent for all citizens for all crimes.

00:58:06.000 And this was back in 1963, so... By the way, if you want to say hi to the star of the Matrix, you can say hi to him right now.

00:58:12.000 I'm gonna shut up.

00:58:14.000 Hey, listen, I appreciate your call.

00:58:17.000 It's good to hear from you.

00:58:20.000 I'm glad I brought up movies and the next caller brought them up.

00:58:23.000 Good to hear from you.

00:58:24.000 Alright, the second hour is straight ahead.

00:58:31.000 And we will break and come back.

00:58:36.000 And take your calls, and we also have Bob Chapman coming on.

00:58:38.000 But no, we have a lot of listeners to this show that are interesting people.

00:58:41.000 You want to say hi to them and thank them for listening?

00:58:44.000 All right.

00:58:45.000 Enough said.

00:58:46.000 Second hour, straight ahead.

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01:00:15.000 All right, my friends, we're now into our number two of this Live Thursday edition.

01:00:36.000 We have John Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld investigating themselves and the torture scandal.

01:00:46.000 We have a lot of Big Brother activities going on, more troops, our troops being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, a bunch of economic news, and of course, I know we've got loaded phone lines, but we're going to your calls early in this hour.

01:00:58.000 And Bob Chapman was in military intelligence, he's a highly respected economist, written for a lot of big journals in the country.

01:01:08.000 And he's made incredible prediction after amazing prediction here on this show of the years and on other broadcasts and in print in his International Forecaster, one of the most highly respected periodicals out there.

01:01:23.000 And we're going to have Bob Chapman with us.

01:01:25.000 And Bob, good to have you on the show with us.

01:01:29.000 Do we have Bob there?

01:01:31.000 Hey, Bob, good to have you on with us.

01:01:35.000 Bob, tell us a little bit about yourself in a nutshell for those who don't know who you are.

01:01:39.000 Then I want to get into the whole geopolitical scene, the economy, the war, the impending terror attacks that Bush is out fear-mongering us through as surrogates.

01:01:49.000 Well, as you said, I worked in counterintelligence for the government.

01:01:54.000 I went to university.

01:01:55.000 I was probably one of the largest, if not the largest, gold-silver stockbroker I've been in the world for 28 years, own my own brokerage firm.

01:02:06.000 I retired in 1989 and couldn't stand it, so I continued to write.

01:02:13.000 I had written for several journals, plus my own clientele of 6,000 clients, and so I just carried it on with the International Forecaster.

01:02:25.000 I also had another publication before that called the Gary Allen Report, which Gary Allen and I wrote together.

01:02:34.000 Now, I know you've got a lot on your mind today, and I've got questions I've got for you, and I know the listeners will as well, so we can talk about basically any issue, but the economy right now, they're telling us that it's doing wonderfully, but then I look at all the real economic numbers, and they're in the toilet.

01:02:49.000 What's the reality from your 30-plus years of study?

01:02:54.000 Well, I think the overall reality is the government is lying about most every figure that they released.

01:03:03.000 Now, whether that would happen under a different administration remains to be seen, because of the power behind the government itself.

01:03:11.000 But the American public is not being told the truth, and that's why people subscribe to the International Forecaster, hoping that they can get more of the truth as to what is really going on.

01:03:24.000 And so, yes, it is as bad as it seems.

01:03:27.000 Particularly in this unemployment situation, which they've tried to improve.

01:03:32.000 To make a long story short, most of it is deception, and employment has only improved ever so slightly, in spite of the billions and billions of dollars that have been poured into the economy.

01:03:49.000 And so I think the situation is now that the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, Has got to increase in liquidity at an ever-increasing rate just to keep the economy's nose above water.

01:04:06.000 And I think he's got some serious problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

01:04:10.000 And I think that's why, over the last month, that he increased the monetary aggregates by about $155 billion under M3.

01:04:17.000 And that is one of the reasons.

01:04:22.000 Bob, we've got a break, but when we get back, I want to explain what M2, M3 money supplies are, what liquidity means.

01:04:32.000 Basically, the printing presses are on fire.

01:04:34.000 They're printing so fast.

01:04:36.000 They're at light speed warp 10.

01:04:38.000 And I want to get into how they manipulate the numbers.

01:04:41.000 I mean, one example is, they don't count people as unemployed who go off the rolls.

01:04:46.000 So a million people go off the rolls because it's run out, and they say, oh, a million new jobs.

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01:07:56.000 alex jones on the gcn radio network all right my friends i know we have a lot of fun life

01:08:06.000 Your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes.

01:08:07.000 I want to try to keep Bob Chapman on the can a little bit into the next hour as well, so we have plenty of time to go over all of this.

01:08:14.000 But Bob, for those that just joined us, it's always good to reintroduce this.

01:08:17.000 And then I want to go into how the economy really works and what it means to have a plunging dollar and what we're facing.

01:08:22.000 But first off, how did you discover the New World Order being at the pinnacle of economic success, one of the most highly respected names on the stock market and on gold and other metals?

01:08:36.000 I want people to realize that.

01:08:39.000 But how did you discover what the New World Order is, and then for those in a nutshell, what is the New World Order?

01:08:46.000 Well, I discovered it when I was involved in counterintelligence, because things were happening that just didn't make any sense to me.

01:08:53.000 And after I left, I spoke with people who knew what was going on, and they filled me in in the early 1960s.

01:09:00.000 And the New World Order?

01:09:02.000 The New World Order is a dream of internationalists who run the financial backdrop for every country in the world and they control most everything that goes on in every country from behind the scenes.

01:09:23.000 I call them elitists.

01:09:25.000 Some people call them insiders, conspirators.

01:09:28.000 And, of course, your listenership knows about the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, etc.

01:09:40.000 Absolutely, and their goal is serfdom, to enslave the population. 0.99

01:09:44.000 People go, oh, they wouldn't do that.

01:09:46.000 Well, that's really the history of the world.

01:09:48.000 It's like the rock and roll song, everybody wants to rule the world.

01:09:51.000 These guys are really setting up the global mechanism for global taxation, global regulation.

01:09:57.000 And our freedoms, they could care less about those.

01:10:02.000 And when people see the economic scene, I don't think they realize that this is manipulated.

01:10:08.000 This is not free market.

01:10:09.000 That they want booms and busts to consolidate power and control.

01:10:14.000 So I guess we should talk about the Federal Reserve And why they're more than happy, I guess, to have the dollar plunging, and what it means to have a weak dollar.

01:10:24.000 And then, extrapolating from there, what it means to have the Federal Reserve printing money like the late Weimar Republic in the twenties.

01:10:34.000 Well, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned organization which is controlled by these people.

01:10:39.000 And they create the background Uh, for financial events for the future.

01:10:48.000 And presently, uh, what they, on behalf of their mentors, are doing is leading the United States towards a depression.

01:10:59.000 And, um, before that happens, I think you're gonna see inflation to some extent.

01:11:04.000 It all depends, uh, on the inflation side of it, whether the President of the United States is impeached.

01:11:13.000 I think you're going to see over the next several days here since the resignation of two top people in the CIA and the President and Dick Cheney among others hiring criminal attorneys I think that they've been caught lying about the Valerie Palm thing, and I think it could bring down the government, and I think the Neocons could be out, and I think that there's a possibility that there would be another Republican nominee. 0.95

01:11:44.000 And these are the things that are going on that are affecting The whole situation and of course the underlying thing is the financial problems which have been created deliberately because what they expected to do was keep the economy going well, get Bush re-elected, and then after the election they let the economy go down.

01:12:05.000 Now it may come a little bit sooner.

01:12:08.000 But anyway, the Fed has been pumping money in, and over the last month they put in NM3, which is a conglomeration of most instruments such as checking and savings and commercial paper.

01:12:22.000 And that increase has been made to increase liquidity in the markets, and I think the main reason Is to keep Fannie and Freddie afloat, and the secondary reason is to pump more money into the stock market to keep it up prior to the elections.

01:12:38.000 Okay, Fannie, Freddie, explain to people what that means.

01:12:42.000 Now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are two agencies which buy mortgages from people who originate them.

01:12:50.000 And then they package them and they sell them to investors, but they guarantee them.

01:12:54.000 Now, up until just recently, It's been assumed that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, because they're quasi-governmental organizations, that their worth was guaranteed by the federal government.

01:13:06.000 Well, it's not.

01:13:07.000 And they have about $3 trillion worth of paper out there, which is backed by derivatives and a very, very small actual cash and equity position.

01:13:18.000 So it's a giant bubble.

01:13:21.000 It's a giant bubble, there's absolutely no question, and that's been generated by 1% prime rate and loans at their lowest point were 5.35% for the 30-year fixed mortgage.

01:13:31.000 their lowest point were 5.35% for the 30-year fixed mortgage. Those rates are up to around

01:13:38.000 6.25% right now. And as the rates move higher, you're going to have more people having foreclosures,

01:13:45.000 particularly those who have adjustable mortgages called ARMs.

01:13:54.000 Now, many of those people didn't think interest rates would go higher, and I'm expecting three more points on interest rates using the 10-year Treasury note, which has already gone up 1.20% over the last maybe eight weeks.

01:14:12.000 And as they go up and their arms come due and they have to renew them, they'll get a higher interest rate.

01:14:19.000 They won't be able to pay it and they'll walk away from their homes.

01:14:22.000 And so the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are holding those mortgages.

01:14:27.000 And then they have to follow these foreclosures.

01:14:30.000 Now, what does it mean to have a plunging dollar?

01:14:33.000 The average... I mean, people in Mexico know what it means to have a weak peso, but the average yuppie I talk to think it's funny that the dollar has been devalued, depending on what index you look at, 35 to 46 percent.

01:14:45.000 Number one, what is the real devaluing in the last two years of the dollar, and what does that mean?

01:14:50.000 Well, the dollar, since the mid-1970s, is off A close to 70% in value from inflation over the ensuing years.

01:15:01.000 But when the dollar goes down, it makes U.S.

01:15:03.000 goods cheaper overseas.

01:15:05.000 but i mean a lot of the years in the last two years it's more expensive

01:15:09.000 in the last two years though the drop against foreign currency specifically

01:15:15.000 uh... the last few years that we've seen uh... a below on the euro what is the euro

01:15:22.000 Uh, and a high on the Euro recently of 130 about six months ago.

01:15:27.000 Uh, the Euro is, uh, trading around 120 to 122 right now.

01:15:32.000 And, uh, so that's how much the dollar has gone down against the Euro.

01:15:37.000 And that's roughly... And we have other measures, uh, such as the switch frank.

01:15:41.000 And that's roughly 40%.

01:15:42.000 That's roughly 40% then.

01:15:47.000 Yes, and I think it's got another 30 or 40 to go.

01:15:50.000 Now, Bush said last year that a plunging dollar is good.

01:15:53.000 He said this year that fast food jobs should be indexed as industry jobs, high-tech jobs, and he said that the Congressional Budget Office stated as well that we're going to have seven times the layoffs in the next five years on high tech, and that exporting jobs is our main export, and that it's a good thing.

01:16:13.000 Well, that's insanity, and any sane person knows that.

01:16:17.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:16:19.000 He may have a master's degree, but he probably has slept through classes.

01:16:26.000 Well, he obviously knows that's a fraud, but this is the propaganda of putting a good face on it.

01:16:32.000 Well, most everything that they've done is fraud.

01:16:35.000 I mean, when this POM affair comes out, people are... I mean, it was bad enough the last couple of weeks to find out that we had outside contractors as well as military personnel raping and torturing and abusing prisoners.

01:16:50.000 Now we're going to be beset with the exposure of probably one of the most important CIA operatives in the agency.

01:17:03.000 Out of vindictiveness against your husband Joseph Wilson for saying that the administration was lying about there being uranium that was being shipped to Iraq by a Niger.

01:17:18.000 And the CIA had told them The administration.

01:17:24.000 A year before, but that wasn't true.

01:17:25.000 It was a lie.

01:17:26.000 But they used it anyway.

01:17:28.000 They just wanted an excuse for war.

01:17:30.000 Bush still went on the State of the Union and stated it.

01:17:35.000 So why do you think we see these resignations in the CIA?

01:17:38.000 There's rumblings of other resignations by Powell and others.

01:17:42.000 What does that signify?

01:17:44.000 They want to get out of harm's way.

01:17:45.000 And once they've resigned, they can testify against them.

01:17:49.000 That's interesting, isn't it?

01:17:52.000 Now, I'm hearing this, and I respect you.

01:17:55.000 You've made a lot of accurate predictions, haven't found really any that you weren't right on.

01:18:00.000 You've been late on a few things, so we all have, but everything you've broken down has unfortunately come true.

01:18:05.000 A lot of people are saying that they think there's some type of weird jockeying going on and that this could happen.

01:18:11.000 I just find it hard to believe Bush has done such a good job of raping America, bringing us into the New World Order.

01:18:17.000 Why would they change horses with their cousin, Kerry?

01:18:22.000 Well, I don't think they want to, but they're forced to.

01:18:24.000 I think it's a power struggle among the elite.

01:18:28.000 And they're saying, one group is saying to the other, hey, you've made a mess of this thing.

01:18:33.000 We've got to turn this thing around.

01:18:34.000 We've got to get you out of there.

01:18:36.000 Because if you keep on doing it, the whole world's going to come out around our heads.

01:18:40.000 And when that happens, everybody's going to discover what we've been doing, and they're going to take us out and shoot us.

01:18:47.000 You know, I'm hearing this from just all these different quarters of respected researchers and individuals.

01:18:53.000 We're getting this out of British intelligence.

01:18:56.000 I don't know what to say about it. 0.97

01:18:58.000 I mean, Bush is just a puppet.

01:19:00.000 So you're thinking the globalists may use Bush as a sacrificial lamb politically to make people believe that the plunging economy and the torture and the CIA sellouts, that all that was Bush?

01:19:13.000 That's correct, and it's only because they have to.

01:19:16.000 If they didn't have to, they wouldn't want to get rid of him.

01:19:18.000 I mean, they had him going on the way for his second term.

01:19:23.000 And all of these things have come together at the wrong time.

01:19:26.000 The Europeans, the black nobility in Europe, that is part of this conspiracy, the original part of this conspiracy, if you may, they're furious with him. 0.95

01:19:37.000 Because he's just gone off to deep ends. 0.91

01:19:40.000 And that whole group is so greedy.

01:19:42.000 I mean, out of 3,000 government contracts, Halliburton, There's 2,700 of them.

01:19:46.000 Tell you what, stay there, Incredible.

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01:23:49.000 We cannot back down. The criminals running the New World Order are bloodthirsty, they

01:24:05.000 enjoy power, they are greedy. 0.81

01:24:08.000 There's kind of a mental illness that occurs at high altitudes at the pinnacle of power.

01:24:13.000 It happens in most cases, the majority of the time throughout history.

01:24:17.000 You can take a normal, nice person, give them a lot of power, and they'll flip out and turn into tyrants.

01:24:23.000 Well, you've got inbred families working together People who funded the Nazis, my friends, in control, and they're going all the way. 0.71

01:24:32.000 And when I said during the last segment, you know, that Bob Chapman's made a lot of predictions that come true and that he's only been late a few times, by that he'll say, I think Gold's going to do this in six months, and it doesn't happen in six months, it happens in eight months.

01:24:46.000 I mean, just scary accuracy.

01:24:48.000 You know, frankly, I have a lot of that, you know, same talent at looking at all the different information and integrating it together.

01:24:56.000 Frankly, I'm getting this from a lot of corners that I respect.

01:25:02.000 That we could see a major Super Watergate scandal or Bush may go ahead and pull a big terror attack before that happens to smoke screen that out.

01:25:10.000 Now, I said we'd go to calls in this segment.

01:25:12.000 We will in the next because I wanted to give Bob Chapman a chance to respond to the government saying there's going to be terror attacks, we're going to have martial law, it's good, all these generals saying this.

01:25:25.000 Bob, comments on that?

01:25:28.000 Well, I predicted that about four or five months ago, if the election was close or Mr. Bush was behind, and the latest polls I've seen is that his rating for approval is 42 and 43 percent, and that's considerably behind.

01:25:44.000 By the way, a new poll out today...

01:25:47.000 Different agencies, including the White House itself, without even consulting the FBI, CIA, or Homeland Security, their most recent alert came right out of the White House.

01:26:02.000 Well, they do that. 0.81

01:26:02.000 So they're getting people ready for a terrorist event, which they won't plan. 0.81

01:26:07.000 Well, no, I totally agree with you.

01:26:11.000 Now the question is, how do we stop them?

01:26:13.000 So what do you see happening?

01:26:14.000 I mean, just extrapolating, not a prediction, but what you think, you know, probabilities here.

01:26:19.000 You think they'll go ahead and carry out a big terror attack that'll kind of nullify all these other investigations?

01:26:25.000 Or will the elite allow them to do that?

01:26:27.000 It's hard to say.

01:26:30.000 It's really hard to say.

01:26:33.000 I don't know whether he can act unilaterally.

01:26:37.000 It can go either way.

01:26:41.000 If we do have that kind of an act, and we do have martial law, then they're going to have to face the window of opportunity.

01:26:49.000 And that is that window so they can go forward and implement world government.

01:26:55.000 But at the same time, when they do that, everybody in the world is going to know what they're doing.

01:27:00.000 And because of people like you and I, they're going to know why they're doing it.

01:27:05.000 And they stand a great Well, you know, I tend to agree with you.

01:27:09.000 exposed and what they're doing and the public may just revolt

01:27:14.000 so that uh... you know they're on pins and needles here they've laid the plan out

01:27:19.000 and uh... i don't know whether this martial law thing is part of their plan or not

01:27:24.000 maybe it's just bushes maybe it's his own megalomania it's just too hard to call

01:27:31.000 well you know i tend to agree with you before nine eleven i got enough clear

01:27:36.000 information in their propaganda reading how they were trying to prepare the

01:27:39.000 public but i want on a rise of call the white house 0.70

01:27:43.000 Call the Congress, tell them, don't use your Patsy Bin Laden to attack the World Trade Centers. 0.73

01:27:48.000 I mean, that's how much information I had, and that was on the record on radio and TV, and that's in my film, Masters of Terror.

01:27:54.000 And everybody heard me for a month straight, coming up before 9-11, off and on, spending three hours, sometimes a day, warning people, because it was specific.

01:28:03.000 I knew they were about to move.

01:28:04.000 I saw the arrogance.

01:28:05.000 Now I see fear.

01:28:07.000 Now I see confusion.

01:28:08.000 Respected journalistic groups like Capitol Hill Blue say Bush is throwing fits, cussing, screaming at people.

01:28:14.000 He thinks he's been cut loose by the elite.

01:28:17.000 But at the same time, that could be disinfo.

01:28:19.000 I mean, I've never seen such a fog.

01:28:21.000 A fog, though, with these glimpses of big rocks ahead.

01:28:25.000 No matter which way you cut it, Alex, it's bad.

01:28:32.000 But I've never been able to really put my finger on it.

01:28:41.000 So basically, it's just chaos then.

01:28:44.000 It is.

01:28:45.000 And we're not going to know what's going to happen until it happens.

01:28:50.000 And if we go into the election, he may get impeached.

01:28:53.000 On the other hand, he may not.

01:28:55.000 We may have martial law.

01:28:57.000 We may not.

01:28:58.000 Everything is up in the air and that's why being in hard assets like gold and silver stocks and coins is a very good idea because they're very protective during times like that.

01:29:08.000 And also, the regular stock market could become a victim if some of these things happen, which are negative.

01:29:17.000 Although I do believe that the Federal Reserve is doing its best to drive the market higher, and I think that was part of the deal that Mr. Greenspan made with Mr. Bush to get re-nominated for another term.

01:29:31.000 And that was to keep the market up or bring it higher.

01:29:34.000 And then we heard... To show financial results.

01:29:36.000 And then we heard the Saudis were going to pump more oil right before the election, and now they're doing that.

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01:39:07.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:39:07.000 Good to hear from you.

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01:39:17.000 This isn't the pap you get.

01:39:19.000 We're going to go to the calls in about 60 seconds, but Bob, when I listen to the financial talk show host on the radio and I occasionally watch TV, it is such a false reality of lies they're putting out. 0.74

01:39:32.000 Just from the other professional journals I read, they have to know they're congenital liars.

01:39:38.000 They're putting out all these lies. 0.87

01:39:40.000 How do you deal with that?

01:39:43.000 Well, I know what the lies are, so I just skirt them and look for what meat I can find.

01:39:48.000 I go through 300 pieces of research a day.

01:39:51.000 I probably answer over 100 emails a day.

01:39:54.000 And so I get a lot of exposure, and I've been doing this for many, many years.

01:39:58.000 This is my 45th year.

01:40:00.000 And I did research prior to that, so it's almost 50 years of doing research of one kind or another.

01:40:05.000 So you can spot the good stuff and the bad stuff, and you've got to have a good memory, and you've got to be sharp, and I can do that.

01:40:12.000 I mean, all the real economic numbers are in trouble.

01:40:15.000 And believe me, I don't like this, folks.

01:40:16.000 We're all, even though this is a fiat system, we're all tied to it.

01:40:20.000 But meanwhile, they're telling us it's the greatest things in sliced bread, that it's milk and honey.

01:40:24.000 But then I talk to everybody on the street, and they're going, man, it's worse than ever.

01:40:28.000 That's right.

01:40:30.000 It's amazing.

01:40:33.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Mark in West Virginia.

01:40:36.000 Mark, thanks for holding.

01:40:37.000 Go ahead.

01:40:37.000 You're welcome, Alex.

01:40:39.000 I have a quick comment and then a question.

01:40:41.000 The comment is, I think this issue with the Mexican truckers displacing the jobs of American truckers could be the thing that turns the tide and allows the American people to know that they're We've been taken over by a shadow government. 0.90

01:40:57.000 They're not even going to be searched, but citizens are on the street corners in the middle of the country.

01:41:03.000 Thousands of trucks pouring across.

01:41:05.000 Supreme Court saying there's nothing you can do.

01:41:07.000 They get 3 cents a mile when an American truck driver gets 30 cents a mile.

01:41:12.000 That's a whole other industry.

01:41:14.000 A higher level blue collar job where you can make a good living for your family being destroyed and this is the plan. 0.54

01:41:19.000 Go ahead.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, American truckers aren't going to put up with it. 0.99

01:41:22.000 I'm sure of that.

01:41:23.000 My question is kind of a lengthy one, but I think it's germane to your guest here today.

01:41:29.000 I'm reaching out to you and your guests and your listeners.

01:41:33.000 In 1978 or 79, when the Iranians overtook the U.S. 0.95

01:41:36.000 Embassy and took those hostages... Yeah, in Tehran.

01:41:40.000 Yes, sir.

01:41:40.000 They also took possession of a top-secret, classified diplomatic and intelligence library.

01:41:49.000 And since that time, the Iranians, publishing in their own language, have published like 70 volumes called Documents from the Nest of Spies.

01:42:00.000 And to my knowledge, they've never been translated from Farsi into English.

01:42:05.000 And I'm wondering if you or your guest or somebody knows somewhere on the web or at some library in North America or Europe where these Documents from the nest of spies have been translated into English.

01:42:17.000 That would be interesting, but it's pretty old intelligence, and plus anything that's going to be in a consul probably wouldn't be of the highest level.

01:42:23.000 Comments, Bob?

01:42:25.000 The United States government has forbidden professional journals and scientific journals from Iran and Iraq and some of the other countries over there from being translated in the United States.

01:42:41.000 So there's your answer.

01:42:42.000 Thanks for the call.

01:42:43.000 I appreciate it, Mark.

01:42:45.000 Kevin in Colorado.

01:42:46.000 Kevin, go ahead.

01:42:47.000 Hello.

01:42:47.000 Hey, Alex.

01:42:48.000 I've been on hold a long time, so I hope you'll give me a moment to get through this tonight.

01:42:51.000 It was before your current guest came on.

01:42:52.000 That's fine.

01:42:53.000 Go ahead.

01:42:54.000 Well, I'm a left-wing liberal.

01:42:56.000 This is a positive call, so don't cut me off.

01:42:59.000 I'm a left-wing liberal, and I believe in a woman's right to choose.

01:43:02.000 I believe in gun control. 0.89

01:43:03.000 I believe in socialized medicine.

01:43:05.000 But, listen, we find ourselves back-to-back in this fight against the Bush administration.

01:43:11.000 You know, we can disagree, we can have our opinions, and we can work what we think is right out in the open, and keep the American people... And I suppose, let me stop you, I suppose you think Kerry's going to save you.

01:43:23.000 I don't think Kerry's going to save me, but I don't think Kerry is a corrupt, immoral man. 0.83

01:43:28.000 Oh, come on! 0.99

01:43:28.000 Like, hang on now! 0.99

01:43:30.000 Let me talk, let me talk.

01:43:32.000 And then let Bob talk.

01:43:33.000 He's run 50 whitewashes in Congress.

01:43:35.000 He's the number two whitewasher under Arnold Spector.

01:43:39.000 The guy is business partners with the Bushes and people.

01:43:42.000 The guy is a Skull and Bones member.

01:43:44.000 He's cousins with Bush.

01:43:46.000 He goes to all these big globalist meetings.

01:43:50.000 And you're for gun control.

01:43:52.000 They're building this massive police state.

01:43:54.000 Bush is for gun control, by the way.

01:43:56.000 And you want my guns so they can have their way with me. 1.00

01:44:00.000 Bob Chapman comments.

01:44:02.000 Well, I think you've pretty well covered it, and that's why I tell people to go to a third-party candidate.

01:44:08.000 And yes, that's why they do want our weapons, and once they're gone, we're dead.

01:44:13.000 I mean, sir, can't you get past the... Look, look, the government, Mark, or excuse me, Kevin, Created the U.N., created the gun control movements.

01:44:26.000 They control the left.

01:44:28.000 They control your so-called alternative.

01:44:30.000 Hey, I bet you're not against Che Guevara having an AK-47, but why are you against the citizen having it?

01:44:30.000 Why?

01:44:36.000 Well, Alex, we're going to be ideologically opposed on a lot of things, but there's a very specific and real danger that we're working together.

01:44:44.000 Answer my question!

01:44:45.000 You're the one that brought up gun control! 0.99

01:44:47.000 What's wrong with you?

01:44:49.000 Come on, man!

01:44:50.000 Hitler was for gun control! 1.00

01:44:51.000 Don't you understand that?

01:44:54.000 I do understand that.

01:44:54.000 It's not funny!

01:44:55.000 It's their building concentration camps! 0.99

01:44:57.000 Did you just hear Bob?

01:44:58.000 Did you just hear Bob?

01:44:59.000 What's gonna happen if they get our guns, buddy?

01:45:02.000 No, I mean, we have to disagree on a few points, but yet we also have to work together on a common problem.

01:45:08.000 I mean, we both have a common problem in this Bush administration.

01:45:12.000 No, we have a problem with the whole system that controls people like Bush.

01:45:12.000 Do you not agree?

01:45:17.000 And that's why things never get better, because the left in America thinks it's just the Republicans, and the right in America thinks it's the Democrats, when they're Siamese twins! 0.52

01:45:27.000 Go ahead, Bob.

01:45:29.000 Well, I agree with you, and that leaves us really no one to vote for except third-party candidates.

01:45:34.000 And perhaps they can't win, but the point is, at least people can express themselves.

01:45:41.000 This locomotive that's going forward is under great power, and whether we can sidetrack it or not remains to be seen.

01:45:50.000 Well, let me ask Kevin a question.

01:45:52.000 Kevin, do you think the U.N.

01:45:53.000 is going to save us?

01:45:55.000 I don't think the U.N.

01:45:56.000 is going to save us, no.

01:45:58.000 But I do support the U.N.' 's role, and I think the U.N.

01:46:03.000 is a very noble and purposeful body.

01:46:05.000 Created by the military-industrial complex in this country.

01:46:08.000 By the way, let me expand on that for you.

01:46:12.000 Okay, because this is an important call.

01:46:14.000 Okay, and I hope everybody bears with us.

01:46:16.000 Hold on a minute, sir.

01:46:16.000 Just hold on a minute.

01:46:19.000 I said two years ago the U.N.

01:46:21.000 would come in and take over Iraq, playing the part of the good cop.

01:46:24.000 The U.N.

01:46:25.000 said that.

01:46:25.000 It's staged, sir.

01:46:27.000 It's theater.

01:46:28.000 Can't you wake up to that?

01:46:30.000 Can't you understand the U.N.

01:46:31.000 has murdered millions worldwide?

01:46:33.000 The U.N.

01:46:33.000 is infinitely corrupted.

01:46:35.000 It's a tool of the... Bob, explain to him what the U.N.

01:46:38.000 is.

01:46:39.000 Well, it's exactly what you said, and more.

01:46:41.000 It's going to become the housing for world government.

01:46:45.000 And when world government comes, we lose our sovereignty, you lose your citizenship, you become a member of the world, and then from some place in Brussels or London or wherever it is, they're going to dictate to you how you're going to live.

01:46:58.000 And that has already begun under the World Trade Organization, and NAFTA, and the proposed FTAA, and these are instruments Yeah, and by the way, they say that in their own documents.

01:47:09.000 You should get road to tyranny. 0.59

01:47:11.000 By the way, you know the U.N.' 's for NAFTA and GATT. 1.00

01:47:14.000 their eyes are a parasite. Yeah, and by the way, they say that in their own documents, 0.95

01:47:18.000 you should get road to tyranny. By the way, you know the UN's for NAFTA and GATT, they're

01:47:22.000 for all these policies that Bush is for. It's the UN, UNESCO pushing, putting all the children 0.96

01:47:28.000 on Ritalin and Prozac.

01:47:30.000 I mean, I don't think, sir, I think you listen to the rhetoric.

01:47:33.000 I don't think you know what the UN is really all about.

01:47:37.000 Well, if I may make my point.

01:47:40.000 It may be a small point, but I only called to make this one point, okay, and I was trying to lay the groundwork for it, and we are diametrically opposed on a number of issues.

01:47:47.000 You're on the right, I believe, I'm on the left.

01:47:50.000 Sure, I'm way past, I'm way past the left-right paradigm.

01:47:53.000 Well, okay, okay, but some would argue that you're just far right.

01:47:58.000 My point is... Yeah, exactly!

01:47:59.000 You're not listening to what I say!

01:48:01.000 I listen to what you say!

01:48:02.000 Hold on! 0.98

01:48:03.000 I can debate my facts with points and history and legislation and All you say is that's your opinion, moral relativism.

01:48:14.000 When men in black ski masks come and take you to a forced labor camp, buddy, and I've been to them, all your talk about moral relativism doesn't matter.

01:48:23.000 This is the real deal.

01:48:24.000 You better grow up!

01:48:26.000 You better grow up!

01:48:27.000 We agree on moral relativism.

01:48:29.000 We agree.

01:48:30.000 I don't believe that moral relativism is valuable, and I think a good example of moral relativism is watching this Bush administration condone torture in the name of protecting us from terror.

01:48:39.000 But were you complaining when Bill Clinton was supporting School of America?

01:48:43.000 No, I was not.

01:48:45.000 In fact, I am a strong Clinton supporter.

01:48:47.000 We disagree on a number of things, sir.

01:48:50.000 But we stand back-to-back in our agreement on the danger of this Bush administration.

01:48:55.000 This is my point.

01:48:56.000 Wait a minute, Clinton said he likes Bush and Bush is doing a good job!

01:49:01.000 I think you may be taking things slightly out of context.

01:49:03.000 Do you have anything else to say to this guy?

01:49:09.000 Well, I think it's a great idea that the left and the right can come together for a common cause or against a common enemy, but I think we see the same intellectual dishonesty that we saw in the 1950s.

01:49:24.000 And that is, you have to go and find out what the facts are, and when you do, you'll change.

01:49:28.000 You'll come to the middle.

01:49:32.000 Okay, thanks for the call, Kevin.

01:49:34.000 Look, I mean, I'm glad you're listening, but just please don't call up and tell me how I need to turn my guns in.

01:49:39.000 We're not going to get along.

01:49:42.000 Fred in Philadelphia.

01:49:43.000 Fred, go ahead.

01:49:44.000 Alex, I want to talk about the economy and even the mainstream Uh, people on Wall Street are nervous.

01:49:56.000 You can tell on the sound of their voices.

01:49:59.000 They're worried about the economy.

01:50:01.000 It's a subsidized economy.

01:50:03.000 The interest rates are artificially low.

01:50:06.000 And I just wanted to ask your guests what What do you think will happen with these interest rates in the housing market?

01:50:12.000 I'll tell you what, stay there because we were about to break.

01:50:14.000 We don't have time to answer that until after the next segment, so stay there.

01:50:19.000 Fred, we'll come back to you.

01:50:21.000 Let Bob Chapman answer that.

01:50:22.000 We'll keep into the next hour.

01:50:23.000 Then we'll go to Kevin and many others that are patiently holding.

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01:56:13.000 Let's go back to Fred in Philadelphia.

01:56:16.000 Fred, we talked about the housing market, the manipulation earlier.

01:56:19.000 I mean, are you asking what's going to happen, in Bob's opinion, or are you asking why they're doing this?

01:56:27.000 Fred, you still there?

01:56:28.000 Yeah, I'm right here.

01:56:29.000 Can you hear me?

01:56:29.000 Yeah, I mean, specifically, what's the point?

01:56:31.000 I think you're going to have a huge sustained rise in mortgage rates.

01:56:41.000 And that's what Fred's asking me.

01:56:44.000 And I agree with you, Fred.

01:56:46.000 The 10-year Treasury note, upon which interest rates are based for mortgages, has already gone up 1.2%.

01:56:55.000 And what the market is telling the Federal Reserve is that you better move rates up or we're going to move up anyway.

01:57:01.000 I expect another 3 points to be tacked on to that.

01:57:04.000 So I expect that the long bond, which is now the 10-year, will be selling somewhere around $8.25 to $8.50 on the yield basis.

01:57:14.000 And that means 30-year fixed mortgages will be $9.25, $2.50, which is about a point higher.

01:57:21.000 Now, refis of almost The big point here is that the housing market has been all that's been basically driving things, correct?

01:57:28.000 up to twelve or fifteen percent and below that uh... it as rates go up

01:57:33.000 and that means that the price of housing will be put the coming down because

01:57:37.000 black people will qualify and and and the big point 0.98

01:57:41.000 here is is that the housing market has been all the time basically driving

01:57:45.000 things correct absolutely

01:57:49.000 okay it has been the key to what they've been doing and what they've been doing is totally unprecedented

01:57:55.000 historically I mean, they are way out on the edge, and they're going to fall off.

01:58:01.000 And I think they're going to come down anywhere between 20 and 80 percent, depending upon the price of the house and the location, etc.

01:58:08.000 But isn't that part of the larger plan by the IMF and World Bank, we have our own documents from two years ago, to artificially create these bubbles and then have controlled burstings?

01:58:19.000 Absolutely, because it puts the public in a total vulnerable position financially, and it forces them to agree with government that wants to introduce one world government.

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02:00:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:09.000 My friends, I have publicly published copies of the National Banking Associations and others, 150 years ago, bragging about how they made their money by blowing out economies and then foreclosing on everyone.

02:00:30.000 The banks, my friends, can take a dollar and then loan out $10, $15, $20 for each dollar that they actually have in their bank account.

02:00:37.000 And the Federal Reserve prints it out of nothing and creates debt that we owe to the private banks.

02:00:44.000 It's an incredible scam.

02:00:46.000 And so they need to have this consolidation.

02:00:48.000 This is what they do.

02:00:49.000 This is by design.

02:00:51.000 And the new Public Works Program is going to be the new national draft.

02:00:56.000 Different bills have people 18 to 49 being under its control.

02:01:00.000 We're about to go back to your calls to Kevin and Brian and John and Dylan and Joe and others, but in this short segment, first, the draft.

02:01:11.000 Talk about the draft, this radical re-engineering of the entire society, and what you think is going to develop, Bob Chapman.

02:01:19.000 Well, I think you're going to see a lot of people moving their children out of the country.

02:01:24.000 And the reason I think that is we've received about almost two thousand increase of from people

02:01:32.000 uh... who want to do just that and so

02:01:36.000 you know they're going to have a draft and many are not going to attend

02:01:40.000 and i predicted this back in the nineteen eighties after what went on in

02:01:43.000 vietnam and uh...

02:01:46.000 i mean these people come from all walks of life who don't want their children

02:01:51.000 and grandchildren used as cannon fodder in

02:01:54.000 in a perpetual war for perpetual peace and And they also don't want them hauled off to the new U.S.

02:02:01.000 camp that's being built in Australia to be trained, and then sent to the Middle East, and goodness knows when the children will ever come home again, and the tremendous change it will make in their lives.

02:02:15.000 The whole thing is a total waste, but what it is, as you said, I call it the new Civilian Conservation Corps.

02:02:25.000 It's a way to offset the unemployment which will be flooding the streets because of the financial fiasco which they've created.

02:02:36.000 They're talking about a three million draft for the military and ten million for these domestic corps.

02:02:43.000 They're going to say, fine, you don't have to go overseas.

02:02:45.000 You've got to serve domestically.

02:02:48.000 And I've read what you're going to do.

02:02:50.000 It is literal East German Stasi type activities, Bob.

02:02:54.000 Yes, I have too.

02:02:55.000 And I think the domestic programs outside of the military will be extremely limited.

02:03:05.000 So you think that's just propaganda they're putting out of, oh don't worry, go along with the draft, you'll get to stay here?

02:03:12.000 Well, I don't think you're going to stay here.

02:03:13.000 I think that the brightest and the strongest will be shipped off someplace else.

02:03:21.000 And that's why I have offered through my website to tell people where I think they should go.

02:03:30.000 Just as a public service, of course.

02:03:32.000 Well, I'd like you to talk about that.

02:03:33.000 I mean, I'm betting, but, you know, that's just the way it is.

02:03:37.000 Well, I'd like you to talk about that if we take some calls, because part of this New World Order is they've already got a deal with Canada that you can't run there.

02:03:44.000 They'll send you back.

02:03:45.000 Other nations are signing on.

02:03:47.000 They were getting ready for this years ago, Bob.

02:03:50.000 That's true.

02:03:51.000 You're absolutely right.

02:03:52.000 You know, Bill Clinton set up a committee to study reintroducing the draft in 99.

02:03:56.000 I mean, they've been quietly gearing up for a long time.

02:04:00.000 That's right.

02:04:01.000 The bill first went in the hopper almost five years ago.

02:04:05.000 That's right, and they reintroduced it two years ago, and now I've seen 12 different versions, Bob.

02:04:09.000 Some are 18 to 49.

02:04:10.000 We have a lot of sponsors now.

02:04:13.000 I've named them in the next issue.

02:04:15.000 Maybe it's the issue that just came out.

02:04:17.000 I can't remember.

02:04:18.000 I write so much it merges after a while.

02:04:20.000 But anyway, either in this issue that's out this week or the next one, I'll get a list of the sponsors.

02:04:27.000 Well, doesn't one of the U.S.A.

02:04:28.000 be written to and told that, uh, which is the congressman, that, and senators, that if you're going to sponsor this thing, we're going to do everything possible to make sure you're not re-elected?

02:04:39.000 And it's bipartisan!

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02:07:58.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

02:08:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:08:09.000 You know, there are people who study football.

02:08:15.000 Frankly, I was one of them in high school, who could tell you about all the professional football teams, all the college teams, the scores, you know, how much their linebackers weigh, and they're experts on that. 0.96

02:08:31.000 So the public isn't stupid, they're just ignorant on areas that they should be informed on. 0.95

02:08:37.000 You know, oh, politics, finances, that's boring. 0.99

02:08:40.000 So they don't even know which end is up.

02:08:43.000 And that's a recipe to be abused, my friends.

02:08:47.000 And I'm not tooting my own horn.

02:08:50.000 Just like Bob Chapman, I spend four, five, six hours a day sometimes reading news wires.

02:08:57.000 Reading transcripts, looking at legislation, and the picture is clear.

02:09:00.000 Total tyranny, total despotism emerging.

02:09:04.000 So I'm not an expert on football anymore, I'm an expert on geopolitical systems and how the left and right are controlled and how things are infiltrated and how they condition the public.

02:09:14.000 And it's always refreshing to have Bob Chapman on the show because he obviously is out there scanning and reading and researching and then has that larger world backdrop to look at the spectrum through to kind of filter it.

02:09:30.000 I do respect his opinion.

02:09:31.000 It's good to talk to somebody who's informed.

02:09:35.000 I want to go to these calls here in just a moment, but where are some of the safe places that people want to get their children out of the country that don't have extradition, draft extradition deals like Canada does now?

02:09:48.000 Well, I'm rather reluctant to give.

02:09:52.000 There's one particular country I think is a good one, and there are two others, but I'd rather not give them out on the radio because what's going to happen is the government's going to start leaning on them.

02:10:04.000 But I do know this, that you're right about Canada, they have made an agreement with the United States to return draft evaders, and I would think that New Zealand and Australia will do exactly the same thing.

02:10:18.000 And so, that cuts it down, you know, those are the countries that most people think of immediately.

02:10:25.000 The people can contact me, I'll tell them privately, but if I put it out over the air, they're going to be all over those countries, you know, trying to make an agreement with them.

02:10:36.000 Well, I think they're already, I know the countries you're talking, I think they already are, Bob.

02:10:41.000 Well, it may be.

02:10:42.000 I haven't read anything on it yet, and I think they've been doing, you know, other things that I think are more important to them at the moment, but the longer it takes for them to try to get an agreement, the better it is.

02:10:54.000 No, I agree with you.

02:10:55.000 I agree with that point.

02:10:57.000 I tell you, this is just... Now, again, you served in the military.

02:11:01.000 A lot of people did, who are now against this, because this isn't our military, is it?

02:11:07.000 No, and if you look at it in the perspective that not only have they pulled up our Reserve and National Guard forces and they have a small military, what has happened at the top of the military is that many of the people upon retirement or long before that, who were real professionals, have quit and joined mercenary armies.

02:11:31.000 Also... And we've got thousands and thousands of people who are assisting our military And they have plausible deniability.

02:11:40.000 They can really do what they want.

02:11:42.000 Just like with the torture.

02:11:45.000 Just like with the torture.

02:11:45.000 Pardon me?

02:11:47.000 Those are private contractors.

02:11:49.000 There's no control over them.

02:11:50.000 And so in that respect alone, we don't have the same set of even domestic circumstances that we had before.

02:11:58.000 And so the military today is not what it was before.

02:12:03.000 And of course, The wars that we've recently had are wars for profit, and it's very, very obvious.

02:12:10.000 Well, also, Bob, there's a draft on right now.

02:12:15.000 People who've signed up for three years, five years, ten years, for two plus years, they're not letting any of them leave.

02:12:20.000 They're saying, no, you're not allowed to leave.

02:12:22.000 Didn't you read the fine print?

02:12:23.000 You have to stay.

02:12:24.000 So it's no longer a volunteer military.

02:12:27.000 That's exactly true, and they have done that before.

02:12:32.000 During the Second World War.

02:12:34.000 And they did it in 1959 with the US Air Force.

02:12:39.000 But that only lasted, in 1955, only lasted perhaps about a year.

02:12:43.000 I don't recollect, but it wasn't a long period of time.

02:12:47.000 But, you know, I was involved in the military at that time, so I was aware of it.

02:12:53.000 But you're right.

02:12:54.000 They are experiencing involuntary servitude.

02:13:00.000 Oh boy, which is a fancy word for slavery, boys and girls. 0.73

02:13:05.000 Uh-huh.

02:13:06.000 Let's take some calls here.

02:13:09.000 Somebody's got to talk about it.

02:13:10.000 But you know what, Bob, last point.

02:13:11.000 I'll go to the calls, I promise, and quickly callers.

02:13:13.000 I'll make a point and then we'll move to the next because we've got a lot of people here.

02:13:16.000 But the denial, Bob.

02:13:19.000 I mean, if people are going to To deny that they've got all these draft bills introduced, draft boards being set up now for eight months, Selective Service preparing to force women into it. 0.64

02:13:29.000 This is all in the newspaper, and still the yuppies I know who've got children laugh at me and say, no, it isn't going to happen, you're making it up.

02:13:36.000 I mean, why are they in denial on something that's public?

02:13:40.000 Yeah, well, I think it's part of their personality, and it's always been that way.

02:13:45.000 They are in denial, like I said, to the gentleman who previously called.

02:13:50.000 Uh, it's intellectual.

02:13:54.000 They can't accept the ability that they're facing.

02:13:58.000 Their decent minds just can't understand that anybody or any group of people can be that evil.

02:14:04.000 It's intellectual dishonesty. 0.91

02:14:09.000 Well yeah, they do the mental trick, the gymnastics of, no, I'm in control of my life, I have power, everything I've been taught is true, don't tell me that the world's round, I say it's flat, shut up, I don't want to hear it!

02:14:22.000 Yeah, until a bayonet goes in and I feel the sharp pain.

02:14:26.000 Okay, former military intelligence, economist, preeminent researcher, Bob Chapman's our guest.

02:14:33.000 Bam, bam, bam.

02:14:33.000 Let's go to the calls.

02:14:35.000 Kevin in Boston, you're on the air.

02:14:36.000 Go ahead.

02:14:37.000 Hello Alex, thank you for taking my calls.

02:14:39.000 I've got a question for Mr. Chapman and two quick comments.

02:14:44.000 First of all, I work in a school.

02:14:45.000 I started down today with a lockdown with over 20 police officers and vehicles everywhere.

02:14:49.000 That was a nice start to my day.

02:14:52.000 Second quick comment is regarding the other Kevin that called in a couple of callers back.

02:14:58.000 He's not tuned in and he doesn't get it.

02:15:00.000 I'm a former self-described proud liberal, but I've woken the New World Order.

02:15:04.000 He won't Wake up until he reads some more of your stuff, so don't scare him away, because he'll come to our side, he knows something's wrong, but he has to realize that there's no savior in the Hillary, you know, occult campaign either.

02:15:18.000 My question for Bob Chapman is, I was interested in his reaction to some points made by Senator Tom Ferguson, a Maryland state senator, who posted an article about elite bankers pulling the plug on the U.S.

02:15:30.000 economy and currency today.

02:15:33.000 And some of the points that he made that I was wondering what Mr. Chapman concurred or not with was, you know, he notes that the Japanese Nikkei dropped 5% last night, that the SEC has changed their position.

02:15:46.000 They're now saying they're going to remove the crash protection on derivatives, and that's a huge warning that they're about to pull the plug.

02:15:53.000 He says that Wall Street insiders are quitting with the value of the stock exchange seat.

02:15:59.000 Yeah, let me stop you.

02:16:00.000 We have, in the last two years, What is it, 40 to 1, Bob, of CEOs pulling out money 40 times for every time they put money in, and now that's accelerating.

02:16:12.000 Go ahead.

02:16:13.000 Yeah, it's been going on for two years.

02:16:15.000 And I think the point he's bringing up, I haven't read them as yet.

02:16:19.000 I spend too much time on the radio.

02:16:22.000 But if you take them one by one, I think we can address them.

02:16:26.000 of it. Okay, did the stock exchange a seat on the New York Stock Exchange?

02:16:33.000 And I think what they know is that on the New York Stock Exchange, they've had tremendous problems.

02:16:37.000 a week and they're saying what do they know that we don't know?

02:16:40.000 First of all I did report on that several weeks ago.

02:16:44.000 And I think what they know is that on the New York Stock Exchange

02:16:50.000 they've had tremendous problems and I think that what's happening here is that

02:16:57.000 perhaps, and I think this will happen, The specialist system is going to be ended.

02:17:03.000 And that means everything will be done electronically.

02:17:06.000 And that means that the seats will be worth far less than they were in the past.

02:17:11.000 And incidentally, these specialists have had a license to steal for the last 230 years.

02:17:15.000 That's not really funny.

02:17:19.000 By the way, let me add something to this.

02:17:21.000 You talk about prosecution, people hiring criminal lawyers in the White House.

02:17:25.000 Grasso's facing criminal charges now for his $200 million activities leaving the New York Stock Exchange.

02:17:32.000 Comments on that, Bob?

02:17:35.000 Well, I don't see that they have any grounds for criminal, as far as what I can see so far.

02:17:41.000 But they certainly have a basis for a civil.

02:17:45.000 And of course, for Eliot Spitzer, it's a piece of cake, because no matter what he does, it's right, politically.

02:17:52.000 Although, I must say that Spitzer's done a lot of good things.

02:17:57.000 But anyway, the people who are running the exchange, The board were the ones that voted Mr. Grasso his salaries and bonuses, etc.

02:18:09.000 And you've got to stop and think for a minute.

02:18:12.000 That isn't normal.

02:18:13.000 The amount of money that they gave him was way out of sync with what should have been given to him.

02:18:19.000 And those people had to have known that.

02:18:22.000 So, there has to be another reason why Grasso was being paid off.

02:18:29.000 And I have my suspicions.

02:18:31.000 Well, obviously to keep his mouth shut.

02:18:34.000 Well, you know, he took two trips down to see the narco-terrorists in Colombia.

02:18:39.000 Now, someone's got to tell me why.

02:18:42.000 And I've been involved with the stock exchange business for 45 years.

02:18:47.000 Why would Grasso be down there with narco-terrorists twice, not once? 0.96

02:18:52.000 There's photos of them.

02:18:53.000 I mean, what conceivably could they have in common?

02:18:53.000 Talking to them.

02:18:58.000 Well, there's money laundering.

02:19:00.000 Right.

02:19:00.000 This is what's behind the whole thing.

02:19:03.000 So that's his payout?

02:19:07.000 The mob's payout.

02:19:10.000 And that's just supposition on my part.

02:19:12.000 I'm backing into this thing.

02:19:14.000 But that could be the reason.

02:19:16.000 Well, I mean, notice... And the minute I get down there... You know, I... If you're seeing this conference room, I'm a little... I need to tell you more.

02:19:25.000 I'll tell you what, Bob, your phone just started cutting out.

02:19:28.000 We'll try to reconnect with you or see if that gets better.

02:19:30.000 Thanks for the call, Kevin.

02:19:32.000 We'll try to go, we'll get to Brian, John, Dylan, Joe, others when we get back.

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02:24:08.000 Let's try to go to these calls as quickly as possible.

02:24:10.000 Brian in Louisiana, thanks for holding her on the air worldwide, sir.

02:24:15.000 All right, I'll try to make this quick, but I got a personal question for both of y'all.

02:24:18.000 Y'all falling in at 49 years old, and if they try to draft you, what are you going to do?

02:24:23.000 Well, I don't fall into the over 49 years of age and I'm not going to serve a New World Order merc torture army where the troops are forced to take deadly vaccines and breathe depleted uranium and Bush has announced they're going to slash the benefits of the troops and not even take care of them despite the fact that even Korean War and Vietnam vets who were promised lifetime health care for them and their families have now been told they get nothing!

02:24:46.000 Bob Chapman comments.

02:24:48.000 Well, were you covered at all?

02:24:51.000 That was a mouthful, but you're absolutely right.

02:24:53.000 And the worst part of it probably is the Veterans Administration and their cutbacks and all of these people who have been injured in working in the military and now they won't take care of them.

02:25:06.000 They won't even, they let them on furlough, the troops from Louisiana or in Fort Hood, Texas.

02:25:11.000 They told them, yeah, y'all can go home, y'all got a week furlough for the Fourth of July, but we ain't bringing you, we got no money to send you home.

02:25:16.000 A couple of businesses around Lafayette and TV stations chipped in and they're going to try to send them back.

02:25:22.000 See, Greyhound sent them back. 0.68

02:25:23.000 I think that's totally a shame and disgusting.

02:25:26.000 But there's a trillion, two hundred billion missing from the Pentagon and hundreds of billions of dollars of contracts for Halliburton and others.

02:25:37.000 I mean, there's no money because there's a mass looting going on, Bob!

02:25:41.000 Absolutely, and HUD's the same way and it's like the cookie jar.

02:25:48.000 One more question.

02:25:49.000 I know there's no safe or sure thing in this life of death, taxes, and judgment after you die, but as far as getting into gold, do you know, Alex, or do you know of anything in the Patriot Act?

02:26:03.000 Who's to say that, of course, you've got to put your money somewhere, and I'd rather have it in gold.

02:26:07.000 Who's to say they're not going to, in the Patriot Act, it doesn't say somewhere where if you don't go, you're done for?

02:26:12.000 Well, sir, executive orders say they can take your life, take your labor, take your money, take your gold, take your children, take your car, take your husband, take your wife.

02:26:20.000 I mean, yeah, there's no limit.

02:26:22.000 Tyranny will stop where you start resisting it, as the Founding Fathers said.

02:26:27.000 So, there's no end.

02:26:28.000 Thanks for the call.

02:26:29.000 I appreciate it.

02:26:30.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

02:26:33.000 Let's talk to John in Texas.

02:26:35.000 John, go ahead.

02:26:36.000 Alex, I feel like you're my brother, and Bob, I feel like you're my uncle.

02:26:39.000 I love you guys, and I appreciate the efforts you do on my behalf.

02:26:44.000 What I'd like to say is, earlier you had a guy talking about gun control.

02:26:47.000 I remember the lady in England, when the livestock got sick and they were killing them all, she said, we didn't even have a shotgun to defend ourselves or defend our property.

02:26:56.000 And that's the same thing here.

02:26:58.000 Hey, it's real simple.

02:26:59.000 A Roman slave 2,000 years ago couldn't own a gun, and a black slave 170 years ago couldn't own a gun. 1.00

02:27:05.000 Hitler was for gun control. 0.98

02:27:06.000 It isn't very hard to figure out, Bob.

02:27:09.000 You're absolutely right.

02:27:12.000 And once they come after them, you know you're going to have to use your assault weapons.

02:27:18.000 One other comment, if I may.

02:27:19.000 July the 4th is coming up.

02:27:21.000 Does Bob see anything?

02:27:22.000 In the way of military coup or any sources?

02:27:26.000 Probably couldn't even talk about it.

02:27:27.000 No, I don't.

02:27:28.000 I haven't.

02:27:29.000 I don't see anything but what we discussed earlier in the program and the CIA and the relationship with the Bush neocons.

02:27:38.000 This could be a coup in the making with the exceedance of the powers behind the throne.

02:27:45.000 And so something like that could happen this summer.

02:27:48.000 It could happen over the Fourth of July.

02:27:51.000 Thank you.

02:27:52.000 Thank you.

02:27:52.000 We're in very dangerous waters, folks.

02:27:54.000 All of this is very dangerous.

02:27:56.000 Like Bob said, we don't know exactly what's going to happen, but it's bad.

02:28:00.000 Dylan in Texas.

02:28:00.000 Dylan, go ahead.

02:28:02.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:28:04.000 Thanks for being on Alex's show, Mr. Chapman.

02:28:08.000 I really appreciate your input.

02:28:10.000 As regards to that gentleman that called back, a few callers back, identified himself as uh... left wing or whatever uh... are you five years ago i was staunch uh... pro-choice as they call it but i'll tell you what i never in this world possibly ever believed in gun control there's some kind of fine line that's all i have to say okay thank you for the call uh... let's talk to joe joe in montana go ahead

02:28:46.000 Hi Alex, thanks for taking my call.

02:28:49.000 Kevin's getting a lot of rhetoric here, and he should.

02:28:53.000 I called to address the fact that if you're a true lover of truth and a real conservative in what I term the old conservative true values that love what America was founded on, you can never align yourself with people like Kevin and their agendas.

02:29:11.000 They will exploit you to their own agendas if you do.

02:29:14.000 And they will take away your rights, ultimately.

02:29:17.000 That's what will happen.

02:29:18.000 You can never align yourself with people like that.

02:29:22.000 Well, you know, that's what I was trying to explain to him.

02:29:24.000 I tell you what, stay there, Joe.

02:29:26.000 We'll go to you and a few others, and we'll cover some news with Bob Chapman.

02:29:29.000 Stay with us.

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02:32:53.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:32:58.000 All over the country, Homeland Security is announcing, hey, those traffic cameras, those cameras in your neighborhoods, oh, the Feds paid for those, and we're going to use those to watch you and face scan you.

02:33:11.000 This is the new freedom, the most surveilled society in history.

02:33:15.000 But nothing on the borders, of course.

02:33:18.000 Again, it has nothing to do with terrorism.

02:33:19.000 We'll take a few final calls here.

02:33:22.000 I'll let Joe finish up.

02:33:24.000 And Charles and another Joe.

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02:36:05.000 The FAA has taken the action to close all of the airports in the United States.

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02:36:58.000 How could Congress pass this Patriot Act without even reading it?

02:37:02.000 Sit down, my friend.

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02:38:29.000 Back to Bob Chapman.

02:38:31.000 Bob, how important is the false left-right system in keeping the population corralled to the point that they never find any real solutions?

02:38:40.000 Well, it's called misdirection, and it's just circular in motion.

02:38:44.000 And they just keep people confused all the time.

02:38:48.000 And that's why a video like yours is so important.

02:38:50.000 Particularly for the people who understand.

02:38:52.000 They can pass that on to other people so that the truth can get out.

02:38:58.000 It's up to us.

02:38:59.000 We're about to go back and take a few final calls.

02:39:01.000 We're about to let Joe and then Charles and another Joe and a Rick and that'll be it for calls.

02:39:06.000 Sorry to the others.

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02:39:14.000 And at the same time, you've also got a website.

02:39:19.000 Yes, and that is called TheInternationalForecaster.com.

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02:39:45.000 Joe, your point about how we were talking to Kevin earlier, and he just, not the last Kevin, but the Kevin before last, saying, you know, I'm for gun control, but I know there's this elite and all this. 0.95

02:39:54.000 I mean, it's just so foolish. 0.83

02:39:56.000 You were trying to finish up your point. 0.99

02:39:57.000 Go ahead.

02:39:58.000 Well, you know, I think they make a lot of ground, and I think, like their protest in Seattle and that, a lot of good, really true conservative people joined in that.

02:40:08.000 And you're exploited when you do that.

02:40:10.000 You have no common ground with these kind of people.

02:40:12.000 You have none with the Bushites, and you have none with the leftist Kevins. 0.73

02:40:17.000 And they'll make you think that they do, but when you join them, if you march with them or protest with them, you're being exploited.

02:40:25.000 And their ultimate agenda is to destroy your rights.

02:40:29.000 If you want to march, if you want to protest, you must do it yourself or put your own truly conservative, honest group together and do it.

02:40:38.000 But never, never, never align yourself with those kind of people.

02:40:44.000 All right.

02:40:44.000 Well, I mean, I certainly agree with you that you cannot be compromised or sucked into that.

02:40:49.000 I like to go in and deprogram these people.

02:40:51.000 Well, I think you can do that, Alex.

02:40:53.000 But I just feel bad to see what's going on today, that there are a lot of people who really don't like Bush and they're being exploited by the left now.

02:41:03.000 And I think that's what Kevin's call is all about.

02:41:05.000 Yeah.

02:41:06.000 Thanks for the call.

02:41:07.000 I appreciate it.

02:41:09.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

02:41:10.000 Let's talk to... I guess up next here is Charles in Rhode Island.

02:41:16.000 Go ahead, sir.

02:41:17.000 Hi, Alex.

02:41:18.000 Mr. Chapman.

02:41:19.000 Listen, I'm 53 years old.

02:41:20.000 I'd like to tell you about my experience in the draft.

02:41:23.000 I was drafted for three hours on September 12, 1971.

02:41:27.000 I had three separate physicals and three separate psychologicals before my final physical that day.

02:41:33.000 And the reason that they... I went right up to the point where They were going to swear me in.

02:41:37.000 The reason that they pulled me to the side away from the group and told me that there was a problem with me.

02:41:44.000 I said, what's the problem?

02:41:46.000 They said, you don't have a social security number.

02:41:48.000 I said, that's right.

02:41:48.000 It's a voluntary program.

02:41:50.000 My grandfather told me by the time I got to be his age, there wasn't going to be any money in there.

02:41:54.000 The government would successfully steal it.

02:41:56.000 So, you know, that was back in the days when you had to go voluntarily get a social security number.

02:42:01.000 So basically, if you don't get the social security number, you can't be drafted is what I'm telling you.

02:42:06.000 Wow, that's an interesting point, Bob.

02:42:09.000 I heard that before.

02:42:11.000 I haven't seen it tested.

02:42:13.000 And there are an awful lot of people who write to me to tell me they don't have a number and they won't have a number.

02:42:18.000 And they've gotten away with having their children without numbers also.

02:42:23.000 Well, I basically told them that you guys got housing, you got clothing, and you got food.

02:42:29.000 I'll work for nothing.

02:42:30.000 I'll find my own money.

02:42:32.000 And, uh, the sergeant walked in, got a captain, came back, came with a captain.

02:42:36.000 I explained that to the captain.

02:42:37.000 He said, you know, there's smoke coming out of their ears, as I'm telling this.

02:42:41.000 And two weeks later, I got reclassified from 1A to 4F.

02:42:45.000 And, uh, you know, I've existed, uh, my whole life to date with no social security number.

02:42:50.000 You know, I'm in the, uh, junkyard business.

02:42:52.000 So, you know, the government's not going to take over that business.

02:42:56.000 Uh, yeah.

02:42:56.000 So basically, That's what you've got to do, is you've got to focus on the fact that the Social Security number is a voluntary program, that all these children have been issued the number from birth, which is against the basic common sense.

02:43:12.000 Well, it is their slave identification number, and they said that, oh, it's just for the program, and there's a law they're not supposed to use it as a personal ID, but then they'll demand it from you.

02:43:22.000 Thanks for the call.

02:43:25.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Joe in Maryland, where Homeland Security is taking control of all the cameras.

02:43:30.000 Go ahead, Joe.

02:43:31.000 Hey Alex, I love your show, man.

02:43:32.000 I got turned on to your website from the Sacred Cow site.

02:43:36.000 Alright, welcome.

02:43:37.000 Yeah, and I can't wait for the drug war documentary either.

02:43:40.000 But, I wanted to say, this morning after the... Your phone's cutting out, sir.

02:43:49.000 Alright, can you hear me now?

02:43:51.000 Are you on a cordless?

02:43:53.000 No, sir.

02:43:54.000 I just want to make this quick point.

02:43:57.000 On this radio show, they were discussing how many cameras are going to come into Baltimore, and it actually wanted callers to call in and pick good areas for cameras where they think the highest crime is.

02:44:08.000 And that's the Delphi method to make people feel like they're part of the power process.

02:44:12.000 This is WBAL, and that's why I figured you were calling about this.

02:44:15.000 I just guessed it.

02:44:16.000 WBAL-TV, Baltimore set for 24-hour Homeland Security surveillance.

02:44:20.000 Local and state homeland security authorities are beginning to build a regional network.

02:44:25.000 New York's going to spend a billion dollars on it.

02:44:28.000 Of 24-hour surveillance cameras that will go live this summer in Baltimore.

02:44:31.000 They're already live.

02:44:32.000 And expand through the area.

02:44:34.000 The closed-circuit video surveillance system of public areas will begin in the Inner Harbor by the end of the summer.

02:44:40.000 Well, I think it's something that's been evolving.

02:44:42.000 about the city wednesday will expand the cameras in the downtown to west side

02:44:46.000 early november folks i read articles every two days where

02:44:49.000 the highway cameras the neighborhood cameras the austin cameras the

02:44:52.000 microphones are under homeland security control

02:44:55.000 the run of the three face scanning software bob chapman comments

02:45:00.000 well i think it's something that uh... it had been evolving i know that in

02:45:03.000 england uh... they're trying to do that all over the country and

02:45:08.000 also trying to implement probably will very shortly

02:45:11.000 uh... national card for identification as opposed to other forms of identification

02:45:17.000 and so uh... we usually trail and very slightly behind time.

02:45:21.000 The United Kingdom.

02:45:22.000 So I would think, along with the visual spying, as we call it, you can expect they're going to try to introduce a card also.

02:45:32.000 Well, on top of that, we already have a national ID card by fiat.

02:45:36.000 And a few months ago, the Supreme Court said, if you're walking down the street or on your own property, you've got to show them an ID.

02:45:41.000 You've got to answer their questions.

02:45:43.000 So there goes the Fifth Amendment.

02:45:45.000 That's right.

02:45:46.000 Just amazing.

02:45:46.000 It's part of the Patriot Act.

02:45:48.000 Anything else, Joe?

02:45:50.000 Well, no, I just thought it was really interesting how they wanted the audience participation to discuss good areas.

02:45:57.000 They were talking about these crimes that have happened in the past.

02:46:00.000 Oh, they could have been averted, you know, via the cameras.

02:46:03.000 It's just, it's amazing.

02:46:04.000 And now Homeland Security says they're going to fight terror and crime.

02:46:08.000 Because crime-age terrorists, so we all don't have our liberties under criminal investigations, because crime is terror.

02:46:15.000 Section 802 of H.R.

02:46:17.000 3162, known as the USA Patriot Act, passed October 27, 2001.

02:46:20.000 Thanks for the call.

02:46:23.000 One last call, and then that's going to be it.

02:46:25.000 We're going to finish up with our great guest, Mike in Honolulu, Hawaii.

02:46:29.000 Go ahead.

02:46:30.000 Hey, aloha, Alex.

02:46:31.000 Real quick, I was going to ask your guest, what is his analysis on the mood of the military?

02:46:37.000 You know, some people say, yeah, the military is getting upset, and they're going to maybe do a coup, and others say, no, that could never happen.

02:46:44.000 I'd like to hear what Robert thinks of the status of the military.

02:46:48.000 Well, I think Don Grande covered that fully here on this program some time ago.

02:46:56.000 And I've been recommending his book.

02:46:58.000 But I think that possibility strongly exists.

02:47:03.000 And I think there is a group within the military, if things go too far, that they might just do that.

02:47:11.000 And it could be the only thing that could save us.

02:47:14.000 And that is a distinct possibility.

02:47:18.000 Very good, thanks.

02:47:19.000 I appreciate it, but also it could be the higher-up globalists using that as a way to bring in the military dictatorship.

02:47:27.000 Again, you won't know until it happens, and you're going to have to guess.

02:47:31.000 But bottom line, it's all very dangerous, folks.

02:47:34.000 Alright, thank you for the call from Hawaii.

02:47:38.000 Bob Chapman, we've got a few minutes left here.

02:47:41.000 I've got some news I wanted to go over with you, but The troops have died by the thousands now, 900 in Iraq, more than that in Afghanistan.

02:47:49.000 They're trying to cover up those numbers, but those are now out there.

02:47:53.000 The neocons say they're going to hit 60 plus other countries.

02:47:56.000 Is that program stalled, or will they just carry out another terror attack to get the people behind these invasions of other nations? 0.74

02:48:04.000 Well, I think on the figures, they're not counting the mercenaries, and they've lost as many people as the military has, so you can double those figures.

02:48:15.000 As far as the program and whether they're going to continue this perpetual war for perpetual peace thing, it all depends on how things come down with Bush and the investigation and the evolution of whether they attempt to impeach him or not.

02:48:34.000 Again, it's really up in the air.

02:48:36.000 If Bush stays in, we'll continue.

02:48:39.000 To get the program that we've been getting.

02:48:41.000 If he goes out, we may get the same program.

02:48:45.000 It depends upon who goes into office.

02:48:49.000 There's just so many ifs in here.

02:48:51.000 We have six months here, or five months actually, of confusion, even for those of us who are in the intelligence business.

02:49:02.000 Boy, I tell ya, it is an interesting time to be alive, as the Chinese say.

02:49:07.000 A blessing and a curse at the same time, but doing radio interviews, talking to people on your website, traveling around the globe.

02:49:15.000 Bob, are you seeing the same huge awakening that I'm witnessing?

02:49:21.000 Yes, I am, and I'm seeing it coming more from the left than anything else.

02:49:27.000 In fact, almost half of the inquiries that I get are from people who identify themselves as liberals or people who are left of center politically.

02:49:37.000 And I think that's really good, like the gentleman from Boston said, you know, don't steer them away, let them learn and understand and come in our direction.

02:49:49.000 Very important.

02:49:50.000 Well, exactly.

02:49:51.000 I'm not going to be co-opted, and I'm not trying to co-opt them, but I want them to wake up and stop being so naive and realize that their whole leftist worldview was created by the same people that run Bush.

02:50:01.000 And they better... And I'm trying to get into their head.

02:50:03.000 It really is difficult.

02:50:07.000 I mean, it's a scam.

02:50:08.000 It's a rigged game, folks.

02:50:09.000 This is for big stakes.

02:50:11.000 This is for the whole globe.

02:50:13.000 And the globalists infiltrate, try to infiltrate, anything of any real size.

02:50:18.000 And your Democrats, I mean, are all voting with Bush.

02:50:20.000 Just the rhetoric's different.

02:50:21.000 Bob Chapman, I want to thank you for coming on the broadcast and look forward to having you back on in the near future, my friend.

02:50:27.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:50:28.000 You've got a wonderful program, Alex.

02:50:31.000 Well, thank you, Bob.

02:50:31.000 Take care.

02:50:33.000 Alright, final segment straight ahead.

02:50:34.000 I'm going to hit a few final news articles here.

02:50:37.000 Gotta tell you where I think things are going, through this fog.

02:50:40.000 And we shall return.

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02:53:55.000 A gun on my hip and the right to arrest.

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02:54:14.000 We're fighting slavery.

02:54:16.000 Forget left, right.

02:54:17.000 We're fighting slavery.

02:54:19.000 And if you have a big government that violates your rights, no matter who's in office, you're going to have despotism, tyranny, serfdom, enslavement.

02:54:30.000 And I'm very suspicious about any discussion of military coups.

02:54:35.000 The military's all a bunch of CFR at the top.

02:54:37.000 A lot of well-meaning people throughout the main body, though.

02:54:41.000 And I see this coming from so many different quarters.

02:54:44.000 If the globalists do pull something like that, it's just to put in a UN government. 0.90

02:54:51.000 Bush is a puppet, Cheney is a puppet, they're all puppets of the larger financial interests. 0.94

02:54:55.000 They would love, though, to burn them politically and say, oh, they did all this. 0.99

02:54:59.000 They took over Iraq. 0.95

02:55:00.000 They did all this evil militarism.

02:55:02.000 See, the U.N.' 's going to be the answer to the problems.

02:55:04.000 They're going to save us.

02:55:05.000 And suddenly you'll see the so-called left, the leaders of it, shift and go, oh yeah, the new ruler's good, secret arrest is good, and it's of the evil right-wingers.

02:55:15.000 So, I mean, I don't think the globalists know exactly what they're going to do right now, because a lot of things haven't gone according to plan, and there is an awakening taking place, and they know that's happening.

02:55:26.000 So they have to question the quandary.

02:55:30.000 As you say, the Hobson's Choice, you know, should they go ahead with more terror attacks to scare us into submission?

02:55:36.000 Will we buy that?

02:55:37.000 Will that cause more resistance?

02:55:40.000 Have they bitten off more than they can chew?

02:55:42.000 Should they back off?

02:55:43.000 And just let the status quo continue?

02:55:46.000 The point is, they're putting in this massive control grid all around us.

02:55:49.000 They're training us that secret arrest and torture and military on the streets is a good thing. 0.99

02:55:55.000 They're telling us martial law is a good thing.

02:55:57.000 Big Brother's here to help.

02:55:58.000 All the definitions are being changed.

02:56:00.000 Our free society's being erased.

02:56:02.000 And Democrats and Republicans together, greedily, at the international, federal, state, local level, are working together to do it.

02:56:11.000 So we better make freedom the number one issue.

02:56:14.000 And look at our liberties.

02:56:15.000 And look at how they're being dismantled.

02:56:17.000 And tell the government, we're not your property.

02:56:19.000 We're not going to go along with your unjust laws.

02:56:21.000 We're not going to sanction your criminality.

02:56:23.000 How dare Bush's people come out and say, he's allowed to torture, he's above the law.

02:56:29.000 Then I look at this article out of MSNBC like it's a good thing that country radio stations won't play all these big artists if they're anti-war or even slightly asking questions.

02:56:41.000 We're talking about Willie Nelson, which they still air, Toby Keith, you know, and Darryl Worley and people like that, Charlie Daniels, all love the war.

02:56:51.000 But they get played ad nauseam.

02:56:53.000 But Merle Haggard and Nancy Griffin and Willie Nelson and others, People want to hear those songs, but they're not airing it.

02:57:02.000 I mean, that's Nazism, folks, to say, oh, we're not going to play... Right after 9-11, they wouldn't play songs that talked about peace.

02:57:12.000 Or love.

02:57:13.000 I mean, it's crafting.

02:57:14.000 It's manipulation of our minds.

02:57:16.000 Look at this.

02:57:17.000 ABC News.

02:57:18.000 G8 seeks to help create world peacekeeper force.

02:57:21.000 I mean, world imperial force.

02:57:24.000 That's what the G8 industrialized nations met under martial law in Georgia to set up yesterday.

02:57:28.000 Another one.

02:57:29.000 G8 approves tighter airport security for all air travel worldwide.

02:57:33.000 See?

02:57:34.000 Global biometrics.

02:57:35.000 Global ID cards.

02:57:39.000 It's amazing.

02:57:39.000 They've caught the EU cheating in elections over in the Euro.

02:57:43.000 Bush's approval ratings are plunging now to almost below 40%, which is very scary because that's when they like to carry out terror attacks.

02:57:51.000 Voters shift in favor of Kerry, thinking the false choice will save them.

02:57:55.000 Meanwhile, CNN reports cigars cost men three years in prison trying to smuggle in Cuban cigars.

02:58:01.000 I mean, that should not be illegal.

02:58:03.000 Court upholds Bible class ban.

02:58:06.000 And I can't even have it as a piece of literature in the public schools, but you can have all the other occult stuff.

02:58:12.000 We're out of time.

02:58:13.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight, on your local AM or FM station.

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02:58:20.000 Also, on the global shortwave at night, you can hear us from 9 to midnight at 3210.

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02:58:32.000 Now get out there and take on tyranny. 0.62

02:58:33.000 Don't be their slaves. 0.95

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