Alex Jones Show - 20041221_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:25.000 It is Tuesday, the 14th day of December 2004.

00:00:32.000 ultra-massive broadcast lined up for you today.

00:00:38.000 We'll get into the latest death numbers of our troops in Iraq, new scandals concerning torture not just in Iraq but also Afghanistan, the Fed to raise interest rates, what's happening with the economy.

00:00:56.000 But a large portion of the broadcast, we also have Paul Watson joining us in an hour and a half, And to cover the worldwide news and to give us his news analysis.

00:01:08.000 It's always excellent.

00:01:10.000 But in the first hour and a half, we're going to predominantly focus on Pulitzer Prize winning author, researcher, San Jose Mercury reporter, Gary Webb, who we now have gotten the details.

00:01:27.000 The police report, all of it.

00:01:29.000 He was shot in the face with a shotgun.

00:01:33.000 Clearly murdered!

00:01:35.000 Oh, but conveniently the police say it was a suicide!

00:01:39.000 Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning, and the world learned of it yesterday morning, that he had been killed in his home the night before, the morning before, since we learned of this, I've talked to Selly Castillo, I have talked to Chico Brown, who was Free Ray Ricky Ross's

00:02:03.000 Well, one of his top business partners, Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast for the CIA.

00:02:13.000 And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in, called American Drug War.

00:02:27.000 Well, last night the producer of the film called Freeway Ricky Ross, In the federal prison he's in, in the panhandle of Texas, up near good old Tulia, where he's not allowed to have interviews.

00:02:39.000 Even Texas Monthly has trouble getting in to see him.

00:02:45.000 And I've interviewed him over the phone before, from there, for the film.

00:02:49.000 And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War.

00:02:56.000 That Gary had recently been telling him that he was on to new information concerning the CIA and drug trafficking.

00:03:05.000 And that men, he pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony, two special forces types, they jumped off the balcony and ran away.

00:03:16.000 He was being followed, he was being threatened.

00:03:20.000 But the police of course will say it is all suicide.

00:03:25.000 Just like Princess Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months, they've told me, in a fake automobile accident. 0.84

00:03:32.000 That's how they're going to kill me. 0.98

00:03:35.000 They killed my lover. 1.00

00:03:36.000 They murdered him. 1.00

00:03:37.000 Now they've said they're going to kill me. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Or, Dr. David Kelly, whistleblower, says if I don't shut up, they're going to kill me and I'll be found dead in the woods. 0.88

00:03:49.000 Told two different colleagues that that have gone public.

00:03:51.000 Mainstream news, but again, back of the paper.

00:03:56.000 We're not going to let the memory of Gary Webb go down in some type of shame like he committed suicide.

00:04:05.000 This is unbelievable.

00:04:08.000 But it's part of the course with what we've seen.

00:04:12.000 Police officers that expose Oklahoma City get stabbed 13 times and have their throats slit and have torture marks and handcuff marks on them.

00:04:22.000 It goes on and on.

00:04:23.000 We're tired of it.

00:04:24.000 I mean, they got medical examiners that will say, well, you've got, you know, severed limbs and torture marks head to toe.

00:04:31.000 And they'll say, oh, suicide.

00:04:35.000 Arkansas.

00:04:39.000 Gary Webb.

00:04:40.000 Unrecognizable.

00:04:41.000 Face blown off.

00:04:43.000 By the way, a shotgun doesn't do that up close.

00:04:45.000 It has to be at least from a few feet away.

00:04:48.000 That's how the pattern works.

00:04:50.000 They blew his face off, and then put this note on the front door.

00:04:55.000 We'll be right back.

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00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:14.000 So, the award-winning Pulitzer Prize winner, author of the best-selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series, dead of reported suicide, shot in the face with a shotgun.

00:08:36.000 Now, it was a little more obvious when people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which, it's kinda hard to get the rifle to the back of your head, and it's impossible, basically, to shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.

00:08:49.000 But, uh, we have now learned some new developments.

00:08:56.000 I have interviewed Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling twenty-five million dollars worth of cocaine a day.

00:09:14.000 25 million dollars of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.

00:09:21.000 Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:09:31.000 And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer Prize Then the media, the establishment, tried to discredit him.

00:09:39.000 He was successful in disproving their claims.

00:09:43.000 He had just recently been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.

00:09:50.000 And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell in North Texas That there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home, jumping off and running off.

00:10:06.000 That he was being followed.

00:10:07.000 That he was being threatened. 0.97

00:10:10.000 And then he supposedly shoots himself in the face with a shotgun. 0.81

00:10:15.000 He was moving.

00:10:16.000 He had movers coming to his house.

00:10:18.000 Was moving.

00:10:20.000 Had just had a divorce.

00:10:22.000 That's when the CIA likes to strike so they have the convenient narrative of the story.

00:10:26.000 Oh, he was depressed.

00:10:29.000 And then he just shot himself in the face with a shotgun.

00:10:34.000 And again, I'll repeat it.

00:10:36.000 Just yesterday, big British newspapers, several of them, had the headlines with the British paramedics that came to the scene of Dr. David Kelly.

00:10:49.000 The former head of the biological weapons program at Porton Down, then the head British UN envoy to the inspectors saying that it wasn't true, Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes notice with chemical or biological weapons, that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.

00:11:07.000 He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me, I'm going to be found dead in the woods if I don't shut up.

00:11:14.000 And then he's found dead in the woods, With three undigested sleeping pills.

00:11:19.000 They wouldn't have killed him, by the way.

00:11:20.000 Would have taken dozens.

00:11:22.000 They're undigested. 0.94

00:11:23.000 Somebody put them down his throat.

00:11:27.000 Undigested. 0.98

00:11:27.000 Sitting in his belly. 0.98

00:11:28.000 Sitting in his stomach.

00:11:30.000 With almost no blood at the scene.

00:11:33.000 He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.

00:11:37.000 And there's almost no blood at the scene.

00:11:40.000 And one of the local constables, when they were out looking for him, because he'd come up missing the night before, That morning, when they came upon the body from about a hundred yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who look like military men.

00:11:54.000 You know, the short haircuts, muscular.

00:11:58.000 And then they walked off from the dead body, and the constable went up there and didn't chase them.

00:12:05.000 Obviously intimidated by them.

00:12:07.000 And then they called in the police, and oh, it's a suicide!

00:12:10.000 Men with shaved, short haircuts, standing around the body, No blood to speak of, the paramedics said.

00:12:19.000 Tells people they're going to kill me and put me in the woods.

00:12:21.000 I mean, what more do you need? 0.99

00:12:23.000 A videotape of them killing him? 0.97

00:12:28.000 Princess Diana, months before her death, says they're going to kill me. 0.77

00:12:34.000 They've told me. 0.99

00:12:35.000 Charles is going to kill me in a fake auto accident. 0.94

00:12:39.000 This is mainstream. 0.99

00:12:41.000 This. 1.00

00:12:43.000 They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident. 0.91

00:12:47.000 And then a few months later, when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, and the British royals weren't about to let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab. 0.77

00:13:04.000 Very upset about that.

00:13:07.000 Think of the scandal.

00:13:08.000 She thought she could just rebel and do whatever she wanted to get back at him.

00:13:11.000 Didn't work that way.

00:13:12.000 Her car, her Mercedes, gets stolen the week before.

00:13:17.000 And when it gets returned, all detailed and nice, no questions asked, her security detail just says, oh, it got returned, we'll just take it!

00:13:23.000 Wonder why?

00:13:27.000 And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck, and then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel, and then they sit there for an hour!

00:13:40.000 The paramedics just sit there, and you see the Surveillance cameras and they turn back on, her legs moving and twitching and it looks like people are inside holding her down.

00:13:47.000 And she has a little problem.

00:13:50.000 And she gets loaded in the ambulance and they drive 25 miles an hour for another 45 minutes.

00:13:54.000 And she dies at the hospital.

00:13:57.000 Right as she gets there.

00:14:02.000 Oh no, she wasn't killed.

00:14:04.000 I mean, people can say, they're going to kill me.

00:14:07.000 They can specifically say how they're going to die.

00:14:11.000 They can name who is going to kill them.

00:14:14.000 And then when they're murdered, the authorities say, oh no, it was an accident, or it was a suicide.

00:14:24.000 This is unbelievable. 0.98

00:14:27.000 And the cowards in the media, and the cowardly police, and the cowardly medical examiners, they just go and rubber stamp it. 0.96

00:14:33.000 They've got a problem though, because the paramedics in the Kelly case are saying, no, this guy had been brought there. 0.96

00:14:40.000 We've seen what happens when people slip their wrist.

00:14:43.000 There's blood!

00:14:45.000 There's blood!

00:14:50.000 They got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.

00:14:58.000 By the way, the FBI's threatened us.

00:15:00.000 They got a problem.

00:15:01.000 Some people got courage.

00:15:03.000 Some people speak up.

00:15:04.000 Some people get involved.

00:15:05.000 Some people have spinal cords and aren't jellyfish.

00:15:12.000 And I'm not going to stand here and let them besmirch the memory of people they killed, like Dr. Kelly and Gary Webb.

00:15:20.000 I'm not going to sit here and watch these heroes fall and then not give them their due.

00:15:29.000 Gary Webb deserves to be buried in Arlington Cemetery with a monument there for standing up and never backing down.

00:15:38.000 And I know they've got patriotic cemeteries in England.

00:15:41.000 Dr. David Kelly deserves to be buried there.

00:15:43.000 We're doing what's right.

00:15:48.000 I'm not going to sit here and let them claim they commit suicide when it's not true.

00:15:56.000 And again, I will never commit suicide.

00:16:00.000 I've never thought of committing suicide.

00:16:02.000 I would never want to commit suicide.

00:16:05.000 Nothing would happen in my life that would make me commit suicide.

00:16:08.000 So don't you, if they kill me, ever let the media say I committed suicide. 0.81

00:16:15.000 I'm sick of it. 0.75

00:16:21.000 Thank you.

00:16:24.000 And again, They have old technology.

00:16:28.000 Even the highway departments come out.

00:16:31.000 Federal transportation offices come out and say, oh yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.

00:16:37.000 And why in the future we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road.

00:16:43.000 Or where there's little sensors on your car and if there's an emergency we can remote control and take control of your car.

00:16:50.000 That will keep you from running into other cars or any type of obstructions.

00:16:54.000 Covered that about a year ago when it came out, off the government's own website.

00:16:58.000 It's old technology, so the car, Diana's car, gets stolen a week before, gets brought back detailed, and her own security doesn't even Her own Royal Security just, oh, it was stolen!

00:17:13.000 It was returned!

00:17:14.000 Let's just put you in it! 0.97

00:17:15.000 And so, the driver gets in there and everybody describes it as the car just suddenly veers right into the 13th pillar.

00:17:32.000 In fact, it did it over 100 yards early.

00:17:34.000 It isn't like it just suddenly veered.

00:17:36.000 The car's driving and it just veers perfectly and stays in a perfect line and hits straight on dead center into that pylon.

00:17:48.000 Clearly it was remote controlled.

00:17:50.000 Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs, was not drunk, was not on pills.

00:17:55.000 Those toxicology reports are out public.

00:18:01.000 But boy, when did you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, just the front of the car was smashed, When you ever heard of somebody, them just leaving somebody for an hour in the car?

00:18:10.000 There's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over. 0.71

00:18:15.000 They're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident! 1.00

00:18:18.000 Charles is going to kill me soon! 1.00

00:18:21.000 He told me! 0.99

00:18:24.000 Oh, hmm, the police?

00:18:25.000 Oh no, he's not a suspect.

00:18:27.000 No, because you can't be a suspect.

00:18:29.000 He's your royal, isn't he?

00:18:34.000 No, royals never kill their families, never kill their wives.

00:18:38.000 They never smother the twins in the tower. 0.65

00:18:41.000 King Henry VIII didn't kill five of his wives and have their heads chopped off.

00:18:47.000 No, they never do that!

00:18:50.000 It never happens!

00:18:53.000 I don't know when it doesn't happen.

00:18:55.000 That's court intrigue. 0.97

00:18:57.000 No, it's impossible, it's ridiculous. 0.95

00:18:59.000 Royals do not have other royals killed when they're pregnant with Arabs' children. 0.97

00:19:05.000 I'm sure Prince Charles was happy, and he was just going to let a foreigner impregnate his wife. 1.00

00:19:10.000 And again, I'm not saying anything wrong with that.

00:19:12.000 I'm saying they weren't going to put up with that.

00:19:17.000 But, uh, Gary Webb, ladies and gentlemen.

00:19:20.000 New developments.

00:19:20.000 And this was recorded, by the way.

00:19:23.000 I talked to Kevin Booth last night, right before he was making the American Drug War film that I'm narrating and hosting.

00:19:30.000 Big production.

00:19:31.000 Been in production for a year.

00:19:32.000 Gonna be in production for another year.

00:19:37.000 And he was going to call, or get the call, his weekly call from Premier Ricky Ross in prison, where Gary Webb got a lot of his information.

00:19:47.000 And when he called him, he didn't know that Gary died, and that was all caught on tape.

00:19:53.000 We'll air that tomorrow, perhaps even in the third hour today, if Kevin's able to get back to his office and do it.

00:19:58.000 But he will be joining us in the next segment from the road.

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00:24:08.000 All right, we've got some big breaking news for you.

00:24:21.000 And we're going to be posting this on PrisonPlanet.com later this afternoon.

00:24:26.000 We definitely need our great listeners to make a transcript of this interview from this point on.

00:24:33.000 Kevin Booth is a documentary filmmaker.

00:24:35.000 He's been working for the last year on a film titled American Drug War.

00:24:42.000 And the website's americandrugwar.com.

00:24:44.000 The film will be coming out in about a year.

00:24:46.000 He's interviewed basically everybody under the sun concerning the history of the drug war, who really controls the drug trade.

00:24:54.000 And I am the narrator of the film and the host of it.

00:24:58.000 And I have been involved in some interviews with Ricky Ross, known as Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest public drug dealer.

00:25:05.000 That is the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.

00:25:09.000 Upwards of, in some days, 25 million dollars worth of dealing going on.

00:25:14.000 Linked directly back to the CIA.

00:25:16.000 He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book Dark Alliance CIA Drug Series in the San Jose Mercury News.

00:25:30.000 And then of course he then wrote the best-selling book Dark Alliance.

00:25:34.000 He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento, and some of Gary's best friends and associates.

00:25:48.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:25:49.000 He was shotgunned in the face, and then movers who were coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.

00:26:00.000 Yesterday, Kevin called me, and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past.

00:26:04.000 He said, Ricky's scheduled to call me tonight at 1030, because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.

00:26:09.000 They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida.

00:26:13.000 Excuse me.

00:26:14.000 Scratch that.

00:26:14.000 From Victorville, Northern California.

00:26:17.000 From that prison in Northern California.

00:26:22.000 In Southern California.

00:26:23.000 And again, we'll scratch that out of the transcript.

00:26:24.000 We're trying to get all these facts together.

00:26:26.000 Victorville in Southern California.

00:26:29.000 To the panhandle of Texas, North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Rauch.

00:26:38.000 So we've been doing it over the telephone.

00:26:41.000 Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head to the face in very questionable circumstances and now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross.

00:27:08.000 Kevin Booth?

00:27:10.000 Hey, Alex.

00:27:11.000 We've got about three minutes before we hit break.

00:27:13.000 Just tell folks basically who Freeway Ricky is and what happened in the conversation last night.

00:27:18.000 Well, I guess, you know, like you said, Ricky Ross just became known as the biggest crack dealer in West Coast history.

00:27:27.000 The name Freeway came from the fact that he was buying up so much real estate along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.

00:27:34.000 And when he finally got put away the second time, he didn't know that the CIA was behind, you know, allowing him to become so big.

00:27:44.000 Basically, it's not like CIA agents were supplying them with cocaine.

00:27:48.000 It's more like he just couldn't believe he never got caught.

00:27:51.000 And he couldn't believe how low the prices were.

00:27:53.000 And he couldn't believe how easy it all was.

00:27:55.000 Well, people... I mean, in the Dark Alliance series and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between, but it was Contras directly selling him, and then the Contras flying back were all part of the CIA operation.

00:28:09.000 Right, it was all these big cartels.

00:28:11.000 Like you said, he was in the Victorville prison right above Los Angeles there.

00:28:21.000 The last time he spoke to Gary, Which wasn't that long ago.

00:28:26.000 You know, he told me that Gary was still working on the story.

00:28:30.000 That this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and more people and exposing more names.

00:28:41.000 But he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed every time he drove somewhere.

00:28:44.000 There was always cars following him around.

00:28:46.000 He said he knew it was government people.

00:28:48.000 Several times he came home to his apartment, a two-story apartment, late at night And a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony.

00:28:57.000 And, you know, I could tell it wasn't a burglar.

00:28:59.000 I mean, it was obviously somebody probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.

00:29:05.000 And we talked off-air.

00:29:06.000 It was described as kind of a special forces type, you know, really fast going down the pipe.

00:29:10.000 uh...

00:29:11.000 going down the uh...

00:29:13.000 the uh...

00:29:13.000 yeah definitely and i mean it and it and it you know it's so i don't like their that the whole suicide angle of the story i mean it it's kind of like they they they did stuff to kind of freak him out to intimidate them to push him to actually being depressed but i mean everybody i've spoken to Ricky included said there's no way, you know, that this guy would have taken his life.

00:29:34.000 That he enjoyed life.

00:29:36.000 He loved his kids.

00:29:37.000 He was excited about the future.

00:29:39.000 And, you know, people in South Central L.A.

00:29:42.000 saw Gary Webb as a godsend.

00:29:44.000 That he was... We'll be right back, Kevin.

00:29:46.000 We got a break.

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00:33:15.000 Coming up in a few minutes, we'll be talking to Selly Castillo, of course, the top DEA agent in Latin America, Central and South America, who was eyewitness to masses of drug deals by the CIA and by the Contras, and another one of Gary Webbs Sources, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the Dark Alliance series and the San Jose Mercury News, then wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance, CIA Drug Trafficking.

00:33:45.000 And the New Development's Kevin Booth, again, who's been interviewing, talked to him last night.

00:33:51.000 I've interviewed him for the film as well.

00:33:54.000 Talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.

00:34:06.000 Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece.

00:34:15.000 Kevin broke the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night.

00:34:23.000 Describe for us, Kevin, before we get back into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around, according to Ricky Ross, how did Ricky take it when you described it to him?

00:34:37.000 I know we're going to be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow.

00:34:49.000 But, Kevin, describe that discussion for us.

00:34:53.000 Oh, he took it really bad, you know, I mean, he thought of Ricky as a, I mean, he thought of him as like a godsend, and that, you know, this guy, Gary put his life on the line to expose this story, and that, you know, he just thought it was really depressing, it just really made him sad, and he said a lot of the guys there in jail We're familiar with the story, and a lot of people are going to be sad.

00:35:22.000 When he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call, and it just all rang so true to them.

00:35:33.000 One of the crazy parts of the story, too, is that, like I said, Ricky wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison and Gary Webb came out to try to to help him with his case.

00:35:48.000 And that's when all this evidence started becoming uncovered.

00:35:50.000 And it was just like with me working on this film about the drug war, it's just like one thing leads to another.

00:35:56.000 It just never ends.

00:35:57.000 So you talk to one person, they lead you to another.

00:36:00.000 And he just kept following this chain.

00:36:02.000 And the chain, just because he finished that one book, it just never stopped.

00:36:06.000 So my question to Ricky was like, well, the book is already out, everybody knows all this stuff, so why kill him now?

00:36:14.000 Was this just a revenge thing?

00:36:16.000 He said, absolutely not, because Gary was still hot on the trail and he was never going to give up on this thing.

00:36:23.000 He had just recently been vindicated that the establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted

00:36:33.000 Attacks, but it wasn't working and he had just as of late brought out a lot of new evidence He had been vindicated that was starting to come out in the news He was still on the trail that had been reported on now Sully Castillo is Joining us right now Kevin and he may not be aware of this new development when you talked to Ricky Ross last night for Sully

00:36:57.000 Please repeat what Ricky told you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.

00:37:08.000 Yeah, he knew that he was being followed all the time and there are several instances where he would come home after working all day late at night and he would see a guy shimmy down like he had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on the second floor apartment And these guys that were definitely not burglars would come shimmying down the pole really fast and just disappear.

00:37:31.000 And he was pretty confident that they were up there rummaging through documents looking at his computer.

00:37:37.000 What was the term, and again we're going to air this interview, but Kevin, what was the term he used to describe to me?

00:37:46.000 Why did he think that they weren't just regular burglars?

00:37:51.000 I believe he described it as it was just so professional how they did it.

00:37:54.000 It's so professional.

00:37:55.000 What Ricky said, he just said that Gary said they were definitely government.

00:37:59.000 That's all he's told me, so I'm not going to put words in his mouth.

00:38:03.000 He just said that Gary had said these were definitely government people.

00:38:08.000 So that was the term he used, was definitely government people?

00:38:12.000 Yes.

00:38:13.000 Unbelievable.

00:38:15.000 Anything else he told you during this interview?

00:38:17.000 I mean, I've been doing interviews before with you with Ricky and he only gets about 15 minutes and then the president cuts him off.

00:38:24.000 This is the only way we're allowed to interview him.

00:38:25.000 They don't really let the media in to interview him, and you've actually had to contact lawyers and have started proceedings concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that.

00:38:33.000 Oh yeah, another part to the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten arrested that time, I guess there was some production company in New York that wanted to, uh, that was trying to buy the rights to do like a film about this.

00:38:50.000 And the DEA raided their office and confiscated everything.

00:38:54.000 Some big like film company in New York and definitely put an end to any thoughts that these guys were going to make a movie about this.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, this would blow Scarface, which is based on some real characters, out of the water.

00:39:07.000 I mean, this is a film that needs to be made.

00:39:12.000 So that's another big piece of this.

00:39:14.000 Anything they can to try to stop it.

00:39:17.000 And, Kevin, I know that you're out taking care of errands right now.

00:39:20.000 I hope that you can try... Well, let's be honest.

00:39:24.000 I called Kevin this morning.

00:39:25.000 He's out on the Greenbelt, beautiful weather here, down by the river, walking his two dogs.

00:39:31.000 But, Kevin, do you think you can get back to your office and get that queued up by the end of the show?

00:39:38.000 I'll try to.

00:39:39.000 I don't know how to play it over the phone though.

00:39:47.000 You can figure it out.

00:39:49.000 We can get it over here and get it uploaded to the computer tonight.

00:39:53.000 Or put it on the web in high bandwidth and we can download it and stream it that way.

00:39:58.000 This needs to get out immediately for Gary.

00:40:00.000 Kevin, I want to bring up Selly Castile.

00:40:04.000 Now, Selly, again, was the top DEA agent.

00:40:07.000 He's been all over the big national TV shows, foreign television.

00:40:12.000 We've interviewed him many times.

00:40:13.000 He's come to Austin.

00:40:15.000 And show the pictures of the CIA drug dealers.

00:40:18.000 He shows us the connection to Latin America, how that coupled through to people like Freeway Ricky Ross, and the direct connection of the CIA and these conduits to people like Freeway Ricky Ross.

00:40:32.000 and the LAPD protecting Ricky Ross and other top drug dealers.

00:40:36.000 Shelly, was this a new development for you to learn that Kevin talked to Freeway Ricky and found out that he had told Freeway Ricky that he had men in his house and things?

00:40:46.000 I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on it what actually did happen.

00:40:53.000 But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you've got to remember one thing.

00:40:58.000 Nobody's ever done a movie or a documentary on the Iran-Contra investigation, which involved the CIA involving drug trafficking.

00:41:07.000 Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets that were heavily involved, and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.

00:41:23.000 You came to Austin and did a two-hour presentation and showed photos of them, documents, everything.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, I got another hundred set of slides I'm going to bring over to Kevin Booth so he can put them on.

00:41:34.000 And those slides do have the good, the bad, and the ugly.

00:41:39.000 Well, for people that don't know who you are, in a nutshell, tell us what you did and why you went public.

00:41:44.000 Describe what you saw in Latin America.

00:41:48.000 You gotta remember one thing, you know, I am not an individual who comes off from the left or from the right, but I was reared as a, um, as a very patriotic family.

00:41:58.000 You know, coming from a very patriotic family and, uh, you know, we all served our country and so forth.

00:42:02.000 And when I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line that I would make a difference.

00:42:07.000 But it was there in Central America in my six years that I realized that we were the enemy. 0.90

00:42:12.000 We were sleeping with the, with the enemy.

00:42:14.000 We were, uh, involving drug trafficking and, When I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, a CIA official, saying to me, you know, nobody's going to listen to you.

00:42:27.000 We've been doing this for years and nobody's going to ever, ever stop us.

00:42:31.000 He was absolutely right.

00:42:32.000 Nobody has stopped them from doing their drug trafficking worldwide.

00:42:36.000 So you had CIA...

00:42:41.000 D.E.A.' 's participation in refueling planes of cocaines into the U.S.

00:42:47.000 and never been arrested, never been seized or anything.

00:42:51.000 They were just, you know, the Sleco Hair Airport at the Ilopongo Airport.

00:42:55.000 So, they were heavily, definitely involving drug trafficking.

00:42:58.000 And you had individuals tell you, hey buddy, you're never going to stop us.

00:43:01.000 That's right.

00:43:02.000 I had a CIO, a patient by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to seven, eight years, involving those covert operations.

00:43:12.000 And, you know, he was involved in training the dead squads and, you know, basically just about everything you can do covertly in Central America, he was involved in.

00:43:22.000 And I have about an hour long video that's just full of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past and they're unable to even challenge you.

00:43:34.000 You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir.

00:43:36.000 Well, you know, recently, I'll be honest with you, I've had some vehicles follow me around.

00:43:43.000 uh... trying to you know i could tell their government you know uh... because of my experiences and how they uh... when you approach them they turn their face and you know they're on the cell phone and but i've been under surveillance for quite a while now and uh... but you're not afraid you were a highly decorated sniper in vietnam exactly but my point is this you know i've i've i've since vietnam let's put it this way i've been on borrowed time so i make my uh...

00:44:13.000 I want to say that too.

00:44:19.000 I will never commit suicide.

00:44:22.000 Kevin, you want to?

00:44:23.000 It's a triple non-suicide pact.

00:44:26.000 I will never commit suicide.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, you know, we're in it for the long haul.

00:44:31.000 We need to fight these people, you know, till the very end.

00:44:35.000 And whatever we have available, With what little we have, we need to continue fighting this because it's getting worse.

00:44:45.000 And it's going to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better.

00:44:50.000 Talking about Gary Webb, Sully, I mean, he's dead. 0.99

00:44:55.000 Shotgun to the face.

00:44:57.000 And they described his face from the sources.

00:44:59.000 And you got a call just two hours after they found him.

00:45:03.000 You were notified that his face was basically unrecognizable.

00:45:07.000 Well, a shotgun doesn't do that if it's point-blank.

00:45:11.000 A shotgun only does that from a few feet away for the pattern to expand.

00:45:16.000 People don't normally commit suicide with a shotgun to the face.

00:45:19.000 Can you comment on what you learned about this?

00:45:21.000 Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually got his information right away after the incident.

00:45:29.000 He knew that there was a note that had been left and so forth.

00:45:32.000 and that he was planning to move that morning at the moors coming in.

00:45:36.000 And they found that note on the door, you know, allegedly that saying do not come in, you know, call 911 and call an ambulance.

00:45:46.000 I mean, why on earth, if you're going to commit suicide, would you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a 12-gauge shotgun? 0.85

00:45:55.000 Well, that sounds like classic mafia activity blowing somebody's face off. 0.98

00:45:59.000 Well, you know what?

00:46:00.000 To be honest with you, I really think when we speak about government people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his goon squads that have been involved in all kinds of assassination attempts, whether it's foreign or domestic.

00:46:14.000 You know, Felix and his group are very well documented as train assassins.

00:46:20.000 Well, it's like Barry Seal.

00:46:21.000 They just marched up and machine gunned him.

00:46:24.000 And, you know, they blamed a couple of Colombians for that and so forth, but there's always people that are willing to take the fall for the agency.

00:46:24.000 Exactly.

00:46:35.000 Unbelievable.

00:46:36.000 Again, Sully, just for the record, tell us about your position in the DEA.

00:46:40.000 Well, I was a senior agent in El Salvador.

00:46:43.000 I mean, that's how serious the war on drugs were at that time.

00:46:45.000 You know, we had two agents covering the four countries in Central America.

00:46:50.000 And you know, I was assigned to cover El Salvador.

00:46:53.000 Well, to be clear, I have read in mainstream media reports that you were described as the senior DA officer in Latin America.

00:46:59.000 Are those incorrect?

00:47:00.000 No, no, those are correct.

00:47:01.000 You know, I spent my time in New York City and domestically, but I was the senior agent.

00:47:08.000 And I was in charge of El Salvador.

00:47:10.000 And, you know, we went out there and conducted this investigation.

00:47:13.000 And so you've signed on to fight drugs.

00:47:17.000 When did you find out that it was the government controlling it?

00:47:20.000 Well, from the very get-go, you know, I was, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my contractor, Robert Steele, said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just don't step on anybody's toes.

00:47:35.000 You know don't don't report anything and you know everything comes to me and so forth and sure enough my source of information was a guy who did all the flight plans for the for the counterpilots that were heavily involved in drug trafficking and it was very well documented of money being seized in the US and drugs being seized in the US that came out of Belopongo.

00:47:55.000 There's no doubt about that and we ourselves refuel some of those planes and With the anticipation of being seized in the U.S.

00:48:03.000 when they arrive.

00:48:04.000 Well, there have been cases where the local police bust planes on airports.

00:48:08.000 This has been in Esquire Magazine.

00:48:10.000 And the people flash CIA national security badges.

00:48:16.000 Terry Reid was there and saw the cocaine at Mena, Arkansas.

00:48:20.000 I mean, there are countless people who have actually witnessed and seen all of this.

00:48:27.000 And it's no secret.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, well, you know what?

00:48:32.000 The thing about it that vindicates Gary Webb was the fact that the Contra story, the final report, Higgs, a CIA official, admits that they were sleeping with the enemy, and that there was an agreement between the CIA and the State Department not reporting this incident.

00:48:51.000 What's always interesting to me is for you to explain how like the whole supply chain of like how it got from Ilopongo all the way into the hands of Ricky Ross and how did Ricky Ross do this for years without even knowing who was really behind it just to show like the level of compartmentalization.

00:49:08.000 Right, see what happened was Ricky would not ask any questions.

00:49:12.000 Why?

00:49:13.000 Because everything was fronted to him on consignment.

00:49:16.000 So, you know, he cornered the market.

00:49:19.000 It was like Walmart.

00:49:21.000 He was able, everybody came to him from all over the country and he started major distribution points and we saturated the country with cocaine.

00:49:30.000 Well, I want to add this.

00:49:31.000 The colonel who was the head in Latin America back in 1998 for all counter-drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin into New York.

00:49:44.000 And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he just literally turned red and couldn't talk, and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him.

00:49:53.000 And, I mean, that's another example.

00:49:54.000 I mean, we've caught these people red-handed, Sully.

00:49:57.000 Well, you know, we have a CIO facial in Venezuela who shipped a thousand keys of cocaine without the approval of the DEA, and then he was arrested, and so forth.

00:50:08.000 So there are instances that are very well documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.

00:50:14.000 And there's no doubt about that.

00:50:16.000 I mean, the final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen, and they turned a blind eye to it.

00:50:22.000 Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?

00:50:27.000 No, just, you know, I mean, how, you know, that I think Ricky was really sincere when he felt like a real loss with Gary's death, regardless.

00:50:40.000 Of how he died or whatever that is.

00:50:41.000 It was a loss to him that he felt Gary was like a godsend in his life and that he probably wouldn't even be alive right now if it wasn't for Gary exposing this story.

00:50:49.000 Alright Kevin, try to get back to your office and see if we can get that in the third hour.

00:50:52.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:50:53.000 We'll be back with Sully right after this break.

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00:54:13.000 Skull & Bones was founded in 1832 with money from the British East India Company.

00:54:19.000 Mr. Russell, who was over all opium sales in the United States.

00:54:25.000 Ever since then, they've been in control of it.

00:54:28.000 And the people that founded the CIA in 1947 were publicly members of Skull and Bones.

00:54:33.000 They've always been drug dealers.

00:54:35.000 It's the heart of their business, whether it's Afghanistan now, with record opium sales and production, or Latin America.

00:54:42.000 This is how it works.

00:54:43.000 They send in the military to go after any competition that is producing poppies or coca leaves that goes against them, and that's the war on drugs internationally.

00:54:53.000 So they can control the market.

00:54:55.000 Control competition.

00:54:57.000 Then domestically, they bust the low-level dealers to put them in the prisons that the drug-dealing families, we've traced it back, own predominantly.

00:55:05.000 So they bring the drugs in, and then when they get your kids using them, then they put them in their private prisons working for 18, 20 cents an hour, and displace those jobs, and then make money by having the slave labor.

00:55:17.000 And then they use the pretext of the drug war to militarize the police and to fund the militarization and have them bust down your door.

00:55:24.000 That's why I will never use any of these drugs.

00:55:27.000 Not to mention the fact they're bad for you and very destructive.

00:55:31.000 I won't use them.

00:55:31.000 The same big pharma companies are also linked to opium and cocaine.

00:55:36.000 It's one big happy family.

00:55:37.000 They also push, you know, their legal prescription drugs are even more deadly than the illegal drugs on your children.

00:55:45.000 And on adults.

00:55:45.000 So the drug dealers, the criminals around the country, that's what tyranny is.

00:55:50.000 When criminals get control of government, we call that tyranny.

00:55:54.000 And that's been the norm in history.

00:55:56.000 America had been a little bit different, but now we've fallen down.

00:56:01.000 Celi Castillo, the senior DA officer in Latin America, to be with us into the next hour.

00:56:06.000 We've got Chico Brown, one of Ria Ricci's associates, one of the biggest former dealers, of course, on the West Coast as well.

00:56:15.000 He'll be joining us, friends with Gary Webb.

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00:57:43.000 Sully, we're about to break, but in the next hour with Chico, what are some of the things you want to get into?

00:57:48.000 Well, basically, um, the acknowledgement of the fact that, to affirm the fact that the CIA was involved, how the whole operation was run out of L.A.

00:57:59.000 and, uh, Manassas and, uh, Blendon, how they were actually, uh, Uh, getting their supply from the CIA.

00:58:06.000 And also, during the break, I said, have they broken into your house?

00:58:09.000 And your comment was, hell yes.

00:58:12.000 And you've done some things to be able to document that.

00:58:16.000 And you know, I, for example, will do the old-fashioned, the old-school type of stuff.

00:58:16.000 Right.

00:58:21.000 I'll put, like, scotch tape on the seams of my door.

00:58:25.000 And to find out if somebody actually came into my house or not when I was gone.

00:58:29.000 And they've been broken, which means they were inside the house.

00:58:33.000 And, you know, you go and you look at your computer and you look at your stuff, and there's some pictures that I've had thrown away, copies of them, that were taken, pictures of CIA officials that I had copied off.

00:58:47.000 We'll be right back with the second hour.

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00:59:16.000 Shelly Castillo, the senior DEA agent for Latin America, helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize winning work exposing CIA drug trafficking, is here with us. helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize Shelly Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.

00:59:41.000 Who is in prison, who we interviewed last night via telephone.

00:59:45.000 We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison he's in in North Texas.

00:59:49.000 Again, Chico Brown, the associate of Freeway Ricky Ross.

00:59:55.000 Very Webb, shot in the face with a shotgun.

00:59:57.000 And he told Freeway Ricky Ross in a phone conversation that he would come home and men, obviously very highly trained, government types was his term, would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.

01:00:10.000 And we were just talking to Selly.

01:00:12.000 He gets followed.

01:00:13.000 He's got people going into his house, taking photos.

01:00:15.000 He's got, of CIA officials he knows, was involved in drug trade.

01:00:19.000 Selly's come to town and gone over these documents publicly at public events and been on some of the local TV shows and been on this radio show.

01:00:27.000 It's an honor to have him.

01:00:28.000 Of course, he was a sniper in Vietnam, highly decorated.

01:00:32.000 And he said it, hey, he's on borrowed time, it's up to God.

01:00:36.000 And same here, we can't be cowards, we have to be men.

01:00:39.000 If the men aren't men, we become slaves.

01:00:41.000 Our women become slaves. 1.00

01:00:42.000 Our children become slaves.

01:00:44.000 To be free, men gotta stand up to evil, to bullies, to criminals.

01:00:47.000 Organized crime is who's in control of the country.

01:00:50.000 We're going to go to break and go to Chico here in a few minutes, but can you talk about the mentality of your courage?

01:00:55.000 I mean, I wouldn't call it macho, Sally.

01:00:57.000 It's just you're an honorable veteran and, you know, veteran of the drug war, veteran of Vietnam.

01:01:03.000 You saw this happening.

01:01:05.000 Tell us why you do what you do and then describe for us the type of individuals, the sociopaths, that are becoming wealthy off this.

01:01:12.000 Well, off the drugs, right?

01:01:14.000 Exactly.

01:01:14.000 Basically, you know, I, I, I, the way I was raised was, you know, you would thought what was right, what was wrong.

01:01:21.000 And basically I've, I've always stood by that and, uh, was always doing the right thing, whether, whether, you know, I felt about, you know, good about it or not that, you know, I had to do the right thing.

01:01:31.000 And when I got started working with the government, I realized that at the end of the day, we ended up being the enemy and, and the bad guys and the assassins and the murders and everything else.

01:01:42.000 And of course that blew my mind away.

01:01:46.000 I couldn't understand why one arm of the government was fighting the so-called war on drugs, while the other arm was sleeping with the cartels.

01:01:52.000 And it was then and there that I realized that this is not the government that I thought I was going to be protecting and serving.

01:02:02.000 I realized that I had to do something.

01:02:04.000 So I started, knowing the fact that I would end my career with the DEA, which basically I did.

01:02:12.000 Informing Washington and the ambassadors about the atrocities that were occurring in their countries.

01:02:20.000 And even at the end when I left, you know, my whole look at life was affected.

01:02:27.000 I was looking for a job when I found that.

01:02:29.000 And to me it was, you know, you have to do the right thing and continue.

01:02:33.000 And I did.

01:02:34.000 I continued to talk about it after I left and documented One of the greatest things that's saved me, I think, has been my documents, my journals.

01:02:43.000 I've documented just about everything that happened in Central America.

01:02:47.000 And I was an avid photographer.

01:02:48.000 We ended up taking hundreds of pictures of the before, the after, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

01:02:53.000 And you were there at the bases while the DEA was fueling the drug aircraft.

01:02:57.000 Exactly.

01:02:58.000 We, you know, were running a covert operation, undercover operations, refueling those planes that we call the Islanders.

01:03:06.000 Uh, they were being, uh, uh, refueled there in Opongo or in Guatemala and, uh, with the anticipation that, uh, they were going to be seized, uh, in, in Texas or in California, somewhere down the, down the line once they crossed the border.

01:03:20.000 And, you know, I started to question the fact that, you know, nothing would ever happen.

01:03:25.000 So, the DEA was part of those covert operations and saturated the whole country.

01:03:31.000 And so, for how long did you stay inside and covertly document?

01:03:35.000 Well, basically for six years.

01:03:37.000 I did that in Central America, even though I was warned that if I continued.

01:03:41.000 So, once I was warned to stop my reporting, I knew that I was going to go full blast with it.

01:03:48.000 We got a break.

01:03:49.000 We'll come back.

01:03:50.000 We got a break.

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01:06:59.000 Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize winning writer for the San Jose Mercury News, who also wrote the best-selling book Dark Alliance, was shotgunned in the face two days ago.

01:07:12.000 And we talked to Freeway Ricky Ross from prison last night.

01:07:16.000 They don't allow face-to-face interviews.

01:07:18.000 He learned from us that he's one of the main sources for Gary Webb, that Gary had died and said that Gary, the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed.

01:07:29.000 All over the place by government people that he'd come home to his house at least twice and government men, you know, with precision would shimmy down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from the two-story window and run off into the night.

01:07:45.000 He was working on news stories and Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in South Central, the connection to the conference and the CIA And then, of course, Sully Castillo was the head of the DEA operations in Latin America, folks.

01:08:02.000 And for years, he became aware of this, documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over it.

01:08:08.000 He's come to Austin and done two-hour presentations showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.

01:08:13.000 He was there, in Latin America, watching the DEA fuel the drug planes.

01:08:20.000 It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, and of course he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours after they found his body, his face, shotgunned away.

01:08:31.000 And again, folks, for those that don't use firearms a lot, haven't done a lot of hunting, haven't done a lot of target practice and shooting, you shoot somebody with a 12-gauge up close, it just blows a big hole in their head. 0.99

01:08:41.000 You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off. 0.92

01:08:44.000 I don't want to go into too many details of it, but the pattern spreads out from there. 1.00

01:08:48.000 That's what a shotgun does. 1.00

01:08:49.000 So that, we have confirmed, his face is basically blown off.

01:08:53.000 We're not going to let him kill somebody, a hero, like Gary Webb, and that's obviously, this should be treated as a murder, as a homicide.

01:09:02.000 And I just want to say this before we go to Chico Brown, and back to Sally.

01:09:02.000 And then ignore that.

01:09:07.000 Yesterday, the paramedics went public, in England, with Dr. David Kelly, The top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction.

01:09:17.000 And then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that, quote, if I don't shut up, they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.

01:09:24.000 I've been told this.

01:09:25.000 And then a few weeks later, he was found dead in the woods and the paramedics have gone public and said, look!

01:09:30.000 His wrists were slit and there was no blood at the scene!

01:09:34.000 We've been to suicide!

01:09:35.000 If you bleed to death, there's blood! 0.94

01:09:37.000 Princess Diana said, uh, they killed my boyfriend, and Charles has told me they're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident. 0.97

01:09:45.000 Then they clearly kill her in the fake auto accident.

01:09:48.000 Crash the car, and then don't bring her to the hospital for an hour and 45 minutes total.

01:09:52.000 And then, uh, 75% of the British people believe they killed her, but the media still says, oh, no, no, no, no.

01:09:58.000 My point is bringing those up.

01:10:00.000 is that they do this over and over again.

01:10:02.000 We saw Fannie Malick, the Arkansas Medical Examiner, with people with two shotgun blasts to the head, people with arms and legs cut off in trash dumps, and they would rule this as suicides. 0.97

01:10:13.000 We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government involvement, stabbed 13 times, throats slit, handcuff marks, people tortured with electricity marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet, and these sicko coroners will say, suicide!

01:10:31.000 Well, I'll never commit suicide.

01:10:33.000 Sully has said he'll never commit suicide.

01:10:35.000 Now we're bringing up Chico Brown.

01:10:37.000 And he runs one of the biggest youth organizations in L.A.

01:10:41.000 And of course he's changed his ways and done a great job.

01:10:45.000 He was a co-defendant You're welcome.

01:10:48.000 Rikki Ross, the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.

01:10:52.000 And Chico, we appreciate your courage and your honor in coming forward.

01:10:56.000 And of course you were friends with Gary Webb and got a lot of information for us.

01:11:00.000 Thanks for coming on.

01:11:01.000 You're welcome.

01:11:02.000 Thank you for having me.

01:11:03.000 Thank you.

01:11:04.000 Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do in LA.

01:11:06.000 Presently I run a place called Home with a youth center with over 5,000 members.

01:11:12.000 It's for at-risk kids.

01:11:14.000 Kids from different communities of Compton, South Central LA.

01:11:18.000 That program is to help kids, because I don't want to see them go to prison.

01:11:23.000 I also have another program called Life on Purpose.

01:11:26.000 It's a computer literacy program that I put all the 19 juvenile camps in Los Angeles County.

01:11:33.000 Because I feel that I have to educate the kids so they won't have to go through the same situation that me and Rick been through.

01:11:38.000 That's, you know, going to prison and, you know, have to go with these prison ways.

01:11:43.000 And our film crew was just out in L.A.

01:11:45.000 interviewing you for several days.

01:11:47.000 I mean, you've got a lot of great people involved in your program, like Al Pacino, the list just goes on and on, out there helping you.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, the biggest one is Penny Walsh. 1.00

01:11:55.000 I mean, she helped me on a day-to-day basis.

01:11:58.000 I mean, Lakers, Brad Pitt, Mark Wahlberg, a lot of different people that help me in my organization.

01:12:05.000 Well, would you like to tell folks you're not planning suicide anytime soon?

01:12:09.000 No, that's never going to happen.

01:12:10.000 What did you think when you heard, and pop it anytime, Shelley.

01:12:17.000 I know you know Shelley, a great patriot, a great American.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, you do.

01:12:20.000 Thank you.

01:12:22.000 Tell us a little bit, I mean, what did you think when you got the call?

01:12:27.000 Well, I always knew because it always came up.

01:12:31.000 One of these days we'll get that call and say that happened to him or somebody that was involved in this case.

01:12:37.000 That wasn't it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew cuz he ride in the car with him You know many times and we just talked about that stuff and he was like, you know You should tell me you know when it first to case first book I'm saving you know scared for your life He would say something like you know what Chico you know I just got to do what I have to do but you know I've been getting death threats and stuff like that This is where we first The case first came open Now again, on record, he told you he'd been getting death threats when he was first working on the case.

01:13:08.000 Continuing now, police.

01:13:10.000 Yeah, that's when the case first opened.

01:13:13.000 I actually, you know, when we was going to court, you know, and all this stuff started coming out.

01:13:17.000 Because I had got out on bail, so he came to L.A.

01:13:21.000 and we rode around for weeks. 0.99

01:13:22.000 You know, he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff, and so in that conversation he was always saying, you know, I get death threats all the time, Chico, and so to me when it happened, when I got the news, I actually read it in the paper, my father called me, and I was like, man, that time, because he always told me like, you know, something like that would happen, like, you know, they can get you anytime they want, stuff like that, and so I automatically said to myself, damn, my father said, he killed himself. 0.99

01:13:51.000 I said, yeah, right, my father said the same thing.

01:13:55.000 I just knew one day that day was going to happen.

01:13:57.000 One day we were going to get that call.

01:13:59.000 I just talked to you during the break and Shelly just learned of this.

01:14:01.000 We talked to Freeway Ricky from prison last night.

01:14:04.000 We recorded it.

01:14:05.000 We're going to be playing it in the third hour or tomorrow.

01:14:07.000 We're having to upload it right now.

01:14:09.000 But he said the last time he talked to Gary, Gary said, this was recently, he was being followed by cars.

01:14:15.000 He would come home and men, I would call it special forces type, but he described them as government, with great skill, would literally just leap down and slide down the drain pipe and run off into the darkness.

01:14:26.000 Cellies had people breaking into his house.

01:14:29.000 What was that revelation like for you?

01:14:31.000 Yeah, I know, because I think I talked to him about six months ago, and when they said suicide to me, I know the guy, I know he'd never do nothing like that, but for him to just open and say something like that, I was like, man, and then when I talked to Rick Mother, the day I called her first words were like, Chico, they killed him, you know?

01:14:52.000 And that was her first word, I said, you know, Gary's dead.

01:14:55.000 Unbelievable.

01:14:57.000 Let me bring Selly in.

01:14:58.000 Selly, any comments to this?

01:15:00.000 Well, you know, that's the way the government works.

01:15:03.000 That's the way that they've always worked.

01:15:04.000 Because I've actually spoken to some people that have been on operations with the government when they go out and assassinate people.

01:15:12.000 And that's exactly the same M.O.

01:15:14.000 that they've used for years.

01:15:15.000 And it's worked.

01:15:17.000 And they have carte blanche to do just about anything and get away with it.

01:15:22.000 You know, we saw it with the Cubans. 0.72

01:15:24.000 We saw it with the different kinds of Hit squads that they bring down to the US to commit these atrocities.

01:15:34.000 Now, Sully, you're a unique expert on this subject.

01:15:37.000 I mean, you were, I don't want to call you an assassin, but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper, then the head of DEA operations in Latin America, witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing, and so when you say this is the M.O., I mean, how can police then just automatically, suicide, case closed, how do they control local Sacramento police to that level?

01:15:59.000 Well, because of uh... you know coming down from from washington you know it's uh... every operation is approved by the CIA every single one of them is approved so uh... they know better than to mess around with them because of uh... you know they use all kinds of techniques uh... you know one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be like the IRS you get audited and you know you end up paying thousands of dollars that's the first tool to let you know that uh... that uh...

01:16:29.000 You know, they're after you and they give it to you.

01:16:31.000 Why are people so cowardly?

01:16:33.000 I mean, I don't even think I have that much courage, but I'm not going to let a bunch of drug dealers ruin our country.

01:16:39.000 Well, you know, they're doing it and they're getting away with it.

01:16:44.000 That's the whole issue here.

01:16:46.000 But that's because more of us aren't standing up.

01:16:48.000 Well, that's what it is.

01:16:50.000 And that's the problem.

01:16:52.000 And we're having that major problem.

01:16:55.000 We saw it this election where people thought it was going to change and didn't change.

01:16:59.000 And we have to take it to them now.

01:17:05.000 Chico Brown, what do you think about, it seems like the corruption gets worse and worse.

01:17:12.000 The good news is, everybody I've talked to now, it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade.

01:17:16.000 But still, now everybody knows the truth, but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenager's house for a bag of marijuana and ruin their life.

01:17:24.000 Well, man, that's so true because, you know, when that story first broke and everybody was excited for it, the L.A.

01:17:31.000 Times, Washington Post, I remember Gary was there.

01:17:34.000 You know, they want my story to go, they want my story, but he wasn't willing to give his story to the bigger newspaper, and then there was a conflict right there, and you know, This story was unique and it was true.

01:17:44.000 You know, it had facts and they were like, okay, if you don't want to do this, this is what we're going to do.

01:17:49.000 And then when they wrote the three-page series denying everything that he said and worked hard on, you know, that's when I knew, well, man, we got, we have problems.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 You know, they can deny all these facts and make it look like they're due to a victim and a villain.

01:17:57.000 Problems right there.

01:18:02.000 Alex?

01:18:03.000 Let me just add something to that.

01:18:03.000 Yes?

01:18:05.000 You know, I'm an expert witness now for entrapment and informants for the defense.

01:18:10.000 Well, I get hired or retained by different attorneys and families from all over the country.

01:18:16.000 And every single, every single case that I've worked on for the defense, we realize and we find out the perjury, the corruption that the government is using to destroy families.

01:18:32.000 So, it does happen.

01:18:33.000 There is an MO on that.

01:18:36.000 We'll be back with Chico Brown and Silly Castillo and I'm Alex Jones.

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01:18:43.000 And if they want to stay with us, we'll take some calls as well.

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01:23:03.000 We're talking to Sully Castillo.

01:23:05.000 He, of course, was the senior DA agent in Latin America.

01:23:08.000 First hand for years.

01:23:09.000 Witnessed CIA drug trafficking, documented it, tried to covertly fight it, then was basically told to shut up.

01:23:16.000 Then, of course, Kiko Brown, who was there, co-defendant with Freeway Ricky Ross.

01:23:21.000 Freeway Ricky in prison right now for being one of the biggest drug dealers in West Coast history.

01:23:29.000 And he, of course, one of the main sources for Gary Webb.

01:23:34.000 Gentlemen, both of you.

01:23:35.000 First, Chico, any websites, I mean, for your organizations, any contact info you want to give people?

01:23:41.000 Same thing for you, Sully.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, it's chico at apch.org.

01:23:49.000 Apch is a place called home.org.

01:23:52.000 I can be reached by phone at the office three two three two three two seven six five three And that's an email address some if Is there a website as well?

01:24:04.000 Yeah.

01:24:05.000 APCH.org.

01:24:07.000 APCH.org.

01:24:09.000 That's your youth center with over 5,000 children involved.

01:24:13.000 I've heard a lot of great work.

01:24:14.000 Exactly.

01:24:15.000 I mean, I go out and travel all over the states and speak about it.

01:24:17.000 That's the message to keep kids out of drugs is to explain to them that it's a trap literally laid by the establishment to get them into these private prisons.

01:24:25.000 Exactly.

01:24:26.000 I mean, I travel all over the states and speak about it.

01:24:29.000 It happened to me and Rick and how we were just puns and the whole drug war.

01:24:35.000 Sully, any contact info for you?

01:24:38.000 Well, anybody can email me at the very simple email address called powderburn at prodigy dot net.

01:24:45.000 Real simple, powderburn at prodigy dot net or from the wilderness.

01:24:49.000 You can order a book from them or from me.

01:24:53.000 And also just to say that I will be in Austin this weekend at the Crockett Convention Center at the gun show and I'll be selling my videos and my book there in case anybody wants to go down there.

01:25:05.000 Well, that's wonderful.

01:25:07.000 You're a fellow Texan here with us.

01:25:09.000 We'll give out your contact info to get the book a little bit later.

01:25:11.000 Right.

01:25:12.000 Or you can also call me at 956-345-5770.

01:25:14.000 956-345-5770.

01:25:17.000 Or powderburns at prodigy.net.

01:25:24.000 Exactly.

01:25:25.000 We're going to take a break and come back with Paul Watson to give us the international view on the drug trade.

01:25:31.000 I want to go back to Gary here.

01:25:33.000 I mean, he's dead now.

01:25:34.000 And my gut tells me, your gut tells you, the M.O.

01:25:37.000 tells you, Sally, the M.O.

01:25:38.000 tells you, Chico, that he was killed.

01:25:42.000 And I know he's been working on some new things.

01:25:44.000 Any hints on what he was working on?

01:25:45.000 I know that the media has been saying, oh look, he is vindicated, what he said was true.

01:25:49.000 What do you think is going on here?

01:25:51.000 Well, let me just say one thing that's so simple.

01:25:55.000 You've got to remember, nobody's done a documentary on our encounter.

01:26:00.000 Or the whole issue with the CIA involving drug trafficking.

01:26:03.000 And maybe that's what he was trying to put together.

01:26:05.000 Something that was going to expose the Bush administration.

01:26:09.000 Going back, there's a book called Firewall by Lawrence Walsh who wrote about how they conspired and how they covered up the whole operation.

01:26:19.000 So, you know, that could possibly be it, but I think that we need to have some kind of documentary out there.

01:26:26.000 And to really educate, you know, I'll be glad to donate my pictures and my films to that whole issue, but it's got to be done.

01:26:36.000 You know, Fahrenheit 9-11, everybody went crazy, you know, the most documentary thing done.

01:26:42.000 That was nothing!

01:26:43.000 And it was nothing!

01:26:44.000 And that's exactly, so now we have something that we can actually go out there and not, don't let Gary's dad be a denial to Everybody else that needs to be educated or into what's really going on with the government.

01:26:59.000 What about also trying to force the local police to have it as a murder investigation?

01:27:04.000 Well, we can do that.

01:27:05.000 I guess the people who know you've been saying he was getting threatened and stuff should call the police and call the media and go, how dare you?

01:27:11.000 You know, I just wrote a story on a Soldier of Fortune magazine and Felix came on and he's an acknowledgement with how they killed Che Guevara.

01:27:23.000 In Bolivia.

01:27:24.000 And my point is they took him out because he was being threatened.

01:27:28.000 And at the end of the day they found out that he's an icon now.

01:27:31.000 And they go on and do stuff like that.

01:27:33.000 So we can't let Gary's death just go unnoticed.

01:27:37.000 And we have to do forums.

01:27:38.000 Yeah, that's the point.

01:27:40.000 They turn people into martyrs.

01:27:41.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 And we've got to do something to, you know, his death not in vain and so forth.

01:27:48.000 And we've got to do something.

01:27:49.000 We just can't let it, uh, talk about it for a while.

01:27:52.000 Let me get a comment from Chico on that.

01:27:54.000 We're going to focus on this.

01:27:54.000 No, I agree.

01:27:55.000 Chico, comments to keeping Gary's memory and work alive?

01:27:59.000 We definitely gotta do something, um, you know, like you said, do a film about the situation.

01:28:05.000 I think if the mass public know what really goes on, what went on, and saw these documents that Jerry has, that a lot of people have, that I have, that people never seen, and just know what went on in our courtroom, when he was willing to testify, and they talk about, you know, the CIA was there, and everything that's coming up right now was not allowed in me and Rick's We got a break.

01:28:26.000 We'll be right back.

01:28:27.000 Gentlemen, please, both of you stay with us.

01:28:29.000 We're on the march.

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01:28:33.000 It was just, we went on as a regular little case.

01:28:35.000 We got a break.

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01:31:51.000 There have been several L.A.

01:32:06.000 Times obituaries, really vicious things, going after Gary Webb and Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over and Power Down, observed after reading the Times obituary, the L.A.

01:32:22.000 Times obit is disgusting.

01:32:24.000 What's our attitude towards investigating journalism?

01:32:27.000 Well, of course we try to discourage it whenever we can, but sometimes it happens anyway.

01:32:32.000 Then we get especially nasty.

01:32:33.000 We have to, naturally, to protect our reputation.

01:32:38.000 Yeah, I loved USA Today when they said, Jones raises allegations that Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi.

01:32:48.000 I raise allegations.

01:32:49.000 That's like, I mean, that's your journalism.

01:32:52.000 Yes, the allegation that the sun came up today.

01:32:55.000 The allegation that Arnold's from Austria.

01:32:58.000 The allegation that Hitler is from Austria.

01:33:01.000 The allegation that ducks quack.

01:33:03.000 That water is wet.

01:33:05.000 I mean, the media, and I read the articles they did trying to attack Webb.

01:33:08.000 They were never on any information.

01:33:10.000 I mean, I've interviewed the people on both ends of it.

01:33:12.000 They catch CIA bringing drugs in all the time.

01:33:16.000 Here in Texas, they find tractor trailers full of three tons of coke, and the police show up and say, let it go!

01:33:22.000 They come and tell the Border Patrol, let it go!

01:33:23.000 This is our shipment!

01:33:25.000 That's been in the Associated Press!

01:33:28.000 Sully Castillo, of course, a senior DEA officer for, what, seven years in Latin America, tried to blow the whistle on all this, but here in Texas, do you remember back in the late 90s, when they had that tractor trailer of CIA coke, and they made them just Absolutely, and it's still continuing. 0.54

01:33:46.000 It was even in the newspaper.

01:33:47.000 Oh, we just let it go.

01:33:48.000 We had it for a day, but in order to let it go, it was the government's.

01:33:52.000 Absolutely, and it's still continuing.

01:33:54.000 Just recently, there's a senior DEA agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the cartels in Mexico, and he sells a lot of the information to the drug traffickers organizations.

01:34:09.000 And this guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now, and nothing's ever happened to him because he's part of the apparatus that's built right outside the intelligence agency.

01:34:19.000 They're continuing to finance drug trafficking.

01:34:24.000 Well, all these intelligence agencies are like Twin Towers.

01:34:27.000 The corrupt rotten part is a small part, but it's the top.

01:34:31.000 Everybody else knows to go along, and they build right next to it the whole system that runs parallel.

01:34:37.000 Exactly.

01:34:38.000 Absolutely.

01:34:38.000 And they continue to do that.

01:34:40.000 And we have the involvement of the government in the cover-ups.

01:34:43.000 And just recently there were several customs agents arrested here in South Texas for their involvement in drug traffic.

01:34:54.000 But again, they get busted because they're low-level guys cutting in.

01:34:56.000 Exactly.

01:34:57.000 They're covering up for the main guys.

01:35:01.000 I see it all the time, where the U.S.

01:35:03.000 Attorney's Office will perjure themselves before a grand jury. 0.88

01:35:06.000 And it's allowed.

01:35:08.000 And see, and they do this, Alex, because they know that at the end of the year, the President will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for him.

01:35:23.000 George Sr.

01:35:24.000 pardoned a Pakistan drug trafficker, a heroin trafficker, right before he left office.

01:35:29.000 Bill Clinton!

01:35:31.000 Yeah, everybody.

01:35:33.000 And they're all going to be pardoned.

01:35:35.000 And then George Jr.

01:35:37.000 tells Dan Burton's committee, don't go after Clinton for pardoning giant Coke dealers, and then the media doesn't even pick up on it, showing these guys are all just puppets.

01:35:46.000 And that's why they do all this, and they get away with it, because even if they get arrested, at the end of the day, they'll be pardoned.

01:35:52.000 Well, Sully, I'll tell you what I don't like, and Chico, I'll tell you what I don't like.

01:35:55.000 We're about to bring Paul Watson in.

01:35:57.000 I don't use drugs other than an occasional cerveza with my Mexican food or a glass of red wine with my Italian food.

01:36:03.000 I drink one cup of coffee in the morning.

01:36:06.000 I mean, that's the extent of my drug use.

01:36:08.000 But I've many times had the police pull me over, ask to search my car, and I tell them no, and they act like I'm evil and go, what do you have to hide?

01:36:15.000 I go, it's called the Fourth Amendment, bro.

01:36:17.000 Don't you want your kids to grow up in a free country?

01:36:19.000 And I'll start giving them a speech.

01:36:20.000 Don't you know your bosses bring the drugs in?

01:36:23.000 They're just, and by making drugs illegal, it puts the profit in it, and brings the gangs in, and criminalizes our society, and drives the crime wave!

01:36:34.000 Absolutely, that's what I teach some of my kids at the high school on criminal justice.

01:36:39.000 I teach them that racial profiling is alive and well in Texas, all over the country.

01:36:45.000 And you know, you lost your Fourth Amendment right, and I'm profiling.

01:36:49.000 Well, it's true.

01:36:50.000 I've seen it. 0.94

01:36:50.000 They really, on average, and I'll see a black cop doing it to a black guy, a Mexican cop doing it to a Mexican. 0.94

01:36:55.000 Exactly. 0.59

01:36:56.000 I mean, but it's like, we're allowed to be even meaner to the minorities, but I'm a white guy, man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and they're pretty mean to me! 0.99

01:37:04.000 I mean, what is this?

01:37:07.000 Chico, any comments?

01:37:11.000 For me, I got stopped every time I turned a corner.

01:37:13.000 So, you know.

01:37:14.000 So I just thought it was a thing that went on all around the country.

01:37:22.000 Well, a lot of people are going to get upset when they put in these new national ID card systems that passed last week.

01:37:27.000 They're going to have hardened checkpoints on the road where they search your cars like the airport.

01:37:32.000 Is that a fact?

01:37:33.000 No, they're doing that already.

01:37:35.000 They're doing it here in Texas by the Department of Public Safety.

01:37:38.000 Uh, profiling everybody.

01:37:39.000 One of the first questions they'll ask you is, for example, they'll stop the driver and get him off, and then they'll go ask the passenger, what was the last time you filled up, left your car?

01:37:48.000 Now, where are you coming from?

01:37:49.000 Where are you going?

01:37:50.000 Where do you take it?

01:37:51.000 And I've taught my kids that once you get stopped and you say no to the search, and they say, well, you know, I'm going to do that, or I'm going to bring the dog to the probable cause.

01:37:59.000 Bring the dog! 1.00

01:38:00.000 Yeah, and then what my kids will do, they'll dial 911.

01:38:03.000 Because it's recorded.

01:38:05.000 And you have an illegal search, a violation of your constitutional rights.

01:38:08.000 And it's recorded.

01:38:09.000 Also, again, when they say, what do you have to hide?

01:38:11.000 You need to tell them, look, my Fourth Amendment, would you like being pulled over and searched like this?

01:38:17.000 And people that I know go, I'll let them search, they don't have any drugs.

01:38:20.000 Folks, folks, that's the point.

01:38:23.000 Because you haven't done anything wrong.

01:38:25.000 Make them get a dog. 1.00

01:38:26.000 But listen, here's the thing.

01:38:29.000 Here's the deal.

01:38:30.000 People are going to jail.

01:38:32.000 In Round Rock, Texas, for not returning, I mean a week late, a videotape to Blockbuster Hollywood Video.

01:38:39.000 I have Associated Press articles where somebody moves and forgets to return a library book and when they come back to town later and get arrested, they're charging him.

01:38:48.000 Folks, I know Korean War veterans.

01:38:50.000 I know an old man, 75 years old.

01:38:54.000 No criminal record, driving back from South Texas, fishing at the coast.

01:38:58.000 And they said, mind if I search your car?

01:38:59.000 And he said, sure.

01:39:00.000 They arrested him for a filleting knife.

01:39:04.000 And they'll arrest old men, folks, with vet stickers. 0.62

01:39:08.000 Okay.

01:39:08.000 They'll arrest old men with vet stickers for having a filleting knife in their car.

01:39:14.000 They'll arrest people who, I have friends, one guy's like 45 years old, owns his own company, you know, with the lawnmowers and trimming yards.

01:39:23.000 They arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back.

01:39:26.000 Folks, you use a machete when you're clearing brush in somebody's backyard.

01:39:31.000 It was in there with the lawnmowers.

01:39:32.000 My point is, It's like New York arresting somebody because the tip wasn't 20%.

01:39:37.000 That was New York Daily News.

01:39:40.000 Arresting people because they finish a candy bar before they get on the subway.

01:39:43.000 They said they chewed aggressively.

01:39:45.000 Sully, I mean, are you seeing this system where everything's a crime?

01:39:48.000 It's funny.

01:39:49.000 Here in Texas, you can drive around in your truck with an AK-47 and it's not illegal.

01:39:54.000 Imagine that.

01:39:55.000 A dead knife or whatever they want to come out with.

01:39:58.000 uh... making charge with and it's it's all uh... it's all up to them and that's why you never get permission for them to search no matter what never get permission.

01:40:06.000 Because then if they do it without a warrant and they get the knife then you're going to have a defense in court.

01:40:11.000 Exactly and see once you target those police officers for doing it they have a uh... a tail what we call a cola which means this guy has been involved in a lot of civil rights violations and I think people will start listening to him or you get a civil rights attorney.

01:40:25.000 You just file an amendment and uh...

01:40:28.000 That's exactly what happened just recently, a couple of days ago, when the police officers ran sting operations on 18-wheelers.

01:40:35.000 They violated the guy, they beat him up, and then they let him go.

01:40:40.000 So, you know, it is continuing to happen, and we need to put a stop to it.

01:40:45.000 Here's another example.

01:40:46.000 I know old people. 0.96

01:40:48.000 Again, the reason I bring up the old people is because it's an old lady. 1.00

01:40:51.000 And they got $4,000 cash in their purse.

01:40:53.000 No drugs.

01:40:54.000 Cops go ahead and take it. 1.00

01:40:55.000 That's mainstream news.

01:40:58.000 Oh yeah.

01:40:59.000 We've got cases where the old man or old lady has their, you know, you take, they sell it at all the grocery stores, a little pill box where you take the pills you need and you put them for the day and they're when you go on a day trip.

01:41:10.000 They're arresting people for having their pills out of their pill bottles.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:17.000 And again, I know we've kind of diverged, but this is what this whole drug war is about.

01:41:21.000 I mean, look, I want to bring Paul Watson up from England.

01:41:24.000 Paul, they've got the drug war over there.

01:41:26.000 I know you've covered what happened here in Texas.

01:41:29.000 Tulea, Texas, 50-something black people, no criminal record, no drugs found.

01:41:33.000 They just come arrest them and put them in the local prison owned by the local town fathers.

01:41:39.000 And you know what, Alex?

01:41:40.000 It's still continuing.

01:41:42.000 There's two other cases I'm working on, task force cases.

01:41:45.000 They're continuing to do the same thing.

01:41:47.000 They're taking the money.

01:41:49.000 Instead of taking the guys to the police department, they take it out to a little ranch, a little barn.

01:41:53.000 They slap them around and try to get them to confess where the money's at.

01:41:57.000 And then they let them go.

01:41:58.000 I mean, can you imagine that?

01:42:00.000 The task forces, that's why they need to be disbanded.

01:42:03.000 And it doesn't work.

01:42:04.000 It has never worked.

01:42:06.000 And all it does is corrupt everybody.

01:42:07.000 You're talking about multi-jurisdictional task forces?

01:42:09.000 Exactly.

01:42:10.000 Paul Watson comments along these lines?

01:42:13.000 Yeah, well, you mentioned the drug situation in England.

01:42:17.000 Before the war in Afghanistan, Tony Blair publicly stated, we will bomb the poppy field and look at what's happened since.

01:42:26.000 In record level?

01:42:27.000 Yeah, and that represents one third of the entire world's drug trade, that Afghan Golden Crescent, you know, $200 billion or more. 1.00

01:42:36.000 And so now the reports are, you know, record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of London.

01:42:42.000 And Tony Blair promised us that he would bomb the poppy fields. 0.77

01:42:45.000 So they're bringing this system in, which ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country as they are in America.

01:42:54.000 Things like the ID cards and internal checkpoints.

01:42:58.000 So it's the same system being introduced at the same time.

01:43:03.000 We've been covering the obvious murder, and I'll say it, it should be a homicide investigation of Gary Webb.

01:43:09.000 Some incredible revelations, Paul, listing the last hour.

01:43:11.000 Do you have any questions for Chico Brown or for Sully Castillo concerning this murder?

01:43:18.000 Well, my thoughts on it, as you mentioned before, are the media complicity in the reporting of the death.

01:43:27.000 You know, aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the Bush crime family, Or, you know, akin to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets.

01:43:37.000 The media have been complicit in that they calmly reported the cause of death, and they've now since amended a lot of the articles to try and hide this, to be shotgun wounds, that's wounds plural, to the face.

01:43:51.000 Now, number one, if you shoot yourself in the face, you're not going to be in any kind of state to pull the trigger again.

01:43:57.000 That's right, the original article said wounds.

01:44:00.000 Were you able to save that?

01:44:02.000 Well, there's still some up there that still save rooms that change most of the others.

01:44:06.000 That's what I'm asking.

01:44:07.000 We were able to save that before.

01:44:08.000 We catch them a lot going back and editing.

01:44:11.000 Well, exactly.

01:44:12.000 And again, they don't retract it and say they were wrong.

01:44:14.000 They just take it out.

01:44:16.000 Let me get a comment from Selly on that.

01:44:17.000 Selly?

01:44:18.000 Absolutely right.

01:44:19.000 They, you know, they're not smart enough to try to keep it glued together and they end up making mistakes.

01:44:27.000 And that's what it is.

01:44:28.000 When you lie about something, you forget about what you said in the past.

01:44:33.000 Um, you know, if it was the truth, then it would have been, it would be a solid, solid case on it.

01:44:38.000 But, you know, they do that a lot, and that's where we pick up the bits and pieces to know that these people are lying to us.

01:44:45.000 Chico Brown, what do you think about, uh, that's a good point Paul brought up.

01:44:48.000 First, it's wounds, and now they're going back and trying to change it.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, that's, I think all the quiet read is that a parent got shot wounds to the face, and that's the same thing I said.

01:44:58.000 Wounds.

01:44:59.000 Wounds?

01:45:01.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 Well, that's like two shotgun wounds to the back of the head. 0.98

01:45:04.000 It's impossible to shoot yourself twice in the head with a shotgun.

01:45:07.000 There's also a very similar case that happened a few years ago in El Toro where that colonel up there was trying to, uh, was getting ready to blow the whistle on the government's drug trafficking.

01:45:19.000 That's right, it's a military base.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, the marine colonel that was shot in the back and he also committed suicide according to the military.

01:45:31.000 I mean, how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel who stood up against drug dealing and see him shot in the back and go, well, we don't want this to happen to us because we're little cowards.

01:45:40.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:45:40.000 Let's just shut up. 0.98

01:45:42.000 Exactly. 0.93

01:45:43.000 None of us are safe when we have that attitude.

01:45:45.000 We've all got to stand up.

01:45:48.000 Paul Watson?

01:45:50.000 Well, yeah, that's another one of the aspects to this.

01:45:52.000 There's been this argument of, you know, why kill him now?

01:45:56.000 After all, his great reporting has already come out.

01:45:59.000 Obviously, as you've been talking about, he had new information that he was working on, which was on the way.

01:46:04.000 And, you know, it would have been easier to get rid of him now, you know, in a time when he was out of the spotlight, rather than later on when he's back in the spotlight.

01:46:13.000 But also, you know, it's a fair assumption to make that this is also I absolutely agree with that.

01:46:18.000 of brute intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information, whether that be related to the CIA drugs issue or any other issue.

01:46:27.000 Keep your mouth shut, there'll be consequences. - Yes, because now they're gonna be taking steps to do things that have been done before covertly, but now it's not gonna be covertly.

01:46:39.000 They're just going to go out there outright and just do whatever the heck they want to do.

01:46:43.000 And if anybody wants to complain about it or whatever, then that's a sign.

01:46:48.000 Here he is.

01:46:48.000 We got the Gary Webb kill.

01:46:50.000 If that's what you want to happen to you or to your family, you know, try to stop us.

01:46:57.000 And that's what's going to happen.

01:46:59.000 We're going to come after anybody who goes against them.

01:47:02.000 You know, I'm going to do something, and I know that I'm going to let, unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to, Chico go here in a few minutes.

01:47:09.000 We've taken so much of his time.

01:47:10.000 But I want to try to keep Selly a little bit into the next hour if he can do it.

01:47:13.000 I know he's busy as well.

01:47:15.000 But regardless, I want to keep the lines open here for only police officers or retired police officers or retired or current intelligence people who want to call in and try to refute this or add to it, call in.

01:47:32.000 With your experiences or what you've witnessed, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.

01:47:42.000 But, Sully, you know, you raised this earlier.

01:47:44.000 All they do is turn people into icons they kill.

01:47:47.000 Even if we remember them and talk about them.

01:47:51.000 Exactly.

01:47:51.000 And that's something that has to be done here with Gary Webb.

01:47:56.000 I mean, if they kill me, or they kill you, and we're on record, you know, saying we're not going to commit suicide, I expect people to keep the memory alive and to use it against the New World Order.

01:48:06.000 And we've got to go different, you know, we need to go to the universities and lecture to them about what happened to Gary Webb, because those are going to be the leaders of our country one day, or people that we really need to go out, you know, grassroots individuals They need to be educated in a, you know, I'm part of a group called People for Peace and Justice now, and they're a whole bunch of young kids.

01:48:30.000 And when you talk to them about the CIA and the involvement in atrocities, straight into that, and so forth, that's what's going on in Colombia right now, see?

01:48:37.000 And they're not aware of those situations, and we need to educate them, bring them up to par on the whole issues of what our government is doing.

01:48:46.000 Chico, anything else in closing you want to add?

01:48:49.000 I want to thank you for coming on with us.

01:48:52.000 Well, yeah, you're right.

01:48:53.000 People gotta just stand up.

01:48:55.000 You know, we're all in this position where at any time something can happen, but that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of what Gary believes and what I believe in.

01:49:05.000 You know, and that's the truth of what happened in today's society, especially drug trade and how the government was involved.

01:49:13.000 You know, like you said, we're on record.

01:49:14.000 So, whatever, you know, if something happened to me, I didn't kill myself.

01:49:19.000 That's for sure.

01:49:20.000 Alright, well, keep up the good work with the Youth Center there in Los Angeles and give us that website one more time.

01:49:28.000 APCH.org.

01:49:31.000 My email address is Chico at APCH.org.

01:49:34.000 Alright, Chico Brown, thanks for joining us.

01:49:37.000 You're welcome.

01:49:38.000 Thanks for your courage.

01:49:39.000 We'll come back with Sully Castillo and Paul Watson and some of your calls.

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01:49:50.000 We'll be right back.

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01:55:33.000 Sully Costillo, Paul Watson.

01:55:35.000 Sully and Paul, let's go to Ed in California.

01:55:38.000 Ed, you say you've got some interesting inside dirt for us.

01:55:42.000 Tell us about it.

01:55:43.000 Where am I, Ed?

01:55:44.000 Yeah, hello, can you hear me?

01:55:45.000 Yes, sir.

01:55:46.000 Okay, yeah, I work for a small agency in Tucson.

01:55:50.000 years ago and the reason I would never be able to serve on a jury is something that I had jury duty a couple times.

01:55:55.000 I tell them right off the bat that I've witnessed this before where I was responsible for typing up the blotter and I know good and well what happened out in the field because I was in radio contact and I followed the sequence of events that would happen in a certain arrest or this or that and then the officers got back to the station and I'm sort of under their, as part of the job, I'm under their authority Boy, that's just classic.

01:56:23.000 His cell phone cut out.

01:56:24.000 Are you there?

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:25.000 I wouldn't say that.

01:56:27.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 And call right back in.

01:56:30.000 But yeah, even tell them the dispatchers falsify reports.

01:56:35.000 Sully?

01:56:35.000 Yes, sir.

01:56:36.000 You ever heard of dispatchers falsifying reports?

01:56:38.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:56:40.000 You know, but one of the things that now it's computerized, based on 911s, everything's recorded.

01:56:47.000 But then they always claim it malfunctioned.

01:56:49.000 Yeah, well, see, that's the other thing, yeah.

01:56:51.000 Or the camera wasn't working, or so forth, or the surveillance camera.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, but they do that all the time, and that's how they're able to get away with it.

01:56:59.000 How do they get so many people to be corrupt?

01:57:01.000 It's normal now?

01:57:02.000 Well, it's normal.

01:57:03.000 See, and everybody's cocky about it now.

01:57:05.000 They're so blunt about doing what they're doing.

01:57:09.000 Because they feel that they're protected.

01:57:12.000 And also a lot of these TV shows, these dramas, the cops do bad things on those shows but they're still good, so cops watch that and that's kind of like a moral comforter.

01:57:21.000 Exactly, it's letting you know it's okay for you to do it, you know.

01:57:25.000 Paul Watson, comments?

01:57:27.000 Well yeah, I mean they call these CCTV cameras up to protect us, but whenever they catch something which the government doesn't want you to find out about, they mysteriously malfunction on every occasion.

01:57:39.000 Now, come on.

01:57:39.000 The government's good.

01:57:40.000 We should trust them.

01:57:41.000 We'll be right back.

01:57:42.000 Terrible.

01:57:45.000 Big Brother.

01:57:51.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:52.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:54.000 You want answers?

01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:57.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:07.000 We've got to get this interview up on the web, the audio of it, we will.

01:58:13.000 We've also got to get a transcript of it, and coming up either later this hour or tomorrow, we'll be able to play the Freeway Ricky Ross interview that Kevin Booth did with him.

01:58:25.000 Of course, we're talking about Gary Webb, shotgun in the face.

01:58:30.000 The report first was multiple shotgunnings, but now they're not retracting it, they're They're just removing it.

01:58:39.000 And again, he was the big preeminent mainstream media reporter, journalist who had exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA.

01:58:51.000 Ricky Ross was one of the main CIA dealers there in California.

01:58:57.000 And he learned from this office, basically.

01:59:03.000 We're making a drug war film.

01:59:05.000 Last night, from Kevin Booth, uh... that uh... that Gary Webb had died and he said, oh man, he told me there were people at his house.

01:59:16.000 People, you know, with special forces style would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.

01:59:20.000 We talked to Chico Brown.

01:59:23.000 Gary Webb had told him he'd been getting a lot of death threats just over the years.

01:59:27.000 He'd been being followed recently.

01:59:30.000 And he's dead.

01:59:32.000 Committed suicide, supposedly.

01:59:34.000 No investigation.

01:59:35.000 And you're a former law enforcement officer, Sully Castillo, the head of the DEA for Latin America.

01:59:41.000 I mean, I would investigate this as a murder investigation.

01:59:44.000 Isn't it a no-brainer?

01:59:47.000 Exactly.

01:59:47.000 You know, it's common sense.

01:59:48.000 We'll tell you, you need to do what you gotta do and do it right.

01:59:51.000 But when you've got people pressuring you from the chief of police or to anybody else to do the right, to do what they're asking you to do.

02:00:00.000 And I remember a guy in Washington, D.C.

02:00:05.000 Came all the way from Washington to El Salvador to tell me to use the word alleged because there was no proof that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking.

02:00:14.000 I mean, he came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job and that was uncalled for and that's when I started to document everything that I could.

02:00:25.000 Especially his... I got him documented a time and date when he came up and told me to use the word alleged.

02:00:32.000 Paul Watson, I mean, there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers in around hundreds of billions of dollars, and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight, but this system was corrupt to begin with, Paul.

02:00:45.000 Well, that's exactly the case.

02:00:47.000 The point you mentioned about, you know, why no investigation?

02:00:50.000 I mean, here in this country, it's legally imperative that there is a public inquest on anyone's death, where the cause of death isn't totally clear, you know, clear-cut with witnesses.

02:01:02.000 Um, so I don't, that should play out in America, but obviously with these high-profile cases, they don't do that.

02:01:09.000 Going back to the gunshot wounds, I've got two separate AP reports.

02:01:14.000 The first one, which was posted, you know, on a local news channel affiliate website, which, you know, they get them posted within minutes of their release.

02:01:22.000 Says gunshot wounds the second AP article which was reposted in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer say single gunshot wound and then the guy that pulled the obituary for one of the big newspapers I'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was But he said that the coroner told him that Webb had multiple gunshot wounds.

02:01:46.000 So that's, you can't argue that that's just a, you know, a difference in grammar between wound and wounds.

02:01:52.000 It's clear that he had multiple wounds, is what the journalist who pulled the obituary for one of the newspapers said.

02:01:59.000 It's got to be clear, a shotgun, unless it's shooting slugs, shoots out Multiple pellets.

02:02:05.000 But we're going to try to find out what's happening here.

02:02:09.000 But clearly coroners and police know what two different shotgun wounds look like.

02:02:13.000 Just amazing.

02:02:15.000 But bottom line, because of his line of work and what he was into, it should be investigated.

02:02:20.000 And then you look at him saying he was being threatened.

02:02:22.000 Sully, what does your gut tell you about what the cause of death was?

02:02:27.000 I mean, suicide or murder for Gary Webb?

02:02:30.000 You know, I think the actor came up to him and, you know, they told him, you know, today's payback day, Gary, and this is gonna happen and you're gonna be here.

02:02:41.000 You're gonna be here.

02:02:42.000 Stay there.

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02:06:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:06:06.000 Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize, winning author of the Dark Alliance series of the San Jose Mercury News.

02:06:14.000 Everything totally documented, CIA drug trafficking.

02:06:17.000 Into this country.

02:06:21.000 We talked to Freeway Ricky Rosses, the big CIA dealer.

02:06:24.000 The End We talked to his co-defendant, Chico Brown, in the last hour.

02:06:30.000 We're talking to Sully Castillo.

02:06:32.000 He, of course, the senior DEA agent for almost seven years in Latin America, publicly saw the government dealing the drugs, bringing them in, fueling the drug planes.

02:06:44.000 And Sully, before we went to that break, you were, start over again.

02:06:48.000 I mean, clearly, you've studied this, you were a sniper yourself in Vietnam, but clearly you know how these globalist criminals work.

02:06:56.000 When they went into his dark house, I asked, do you think they clearly killed him?

02:07:00.000 I mean, the evidence is there.

02:07:00.000 He said he had been death-threatened, had people shimmying down the pole, down the Water pipe coming down from upstairs, several times when he comes home, recently being followed by cars, and please continue, start over and tell us how you think it went.

02:07:21.000 Well, I think that, you know, my theory behind it, I think that that happens all the time, but I think that Gary was working on something huge, and I think what he might have been working on, it's just my guess now, I think he was working on Carlos Slater's case.

02:07:42.000 Carlos, there was a lady called Baca. 1.00

02:07:47.000 Well, you told people that he was working on something new and big.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, and I think that's what it was.

02:07:52.000 Carl Baca was the lady that started, in his book, that initiated the whole case on Dr. Lyons.

02:07:58.000 Well, at the end of the day, we found out that she was married to Carlos Slater.

02:08:01.000 And Carlos Slater was the biggest drug trafficker ever extradited to the U.S.

02:08:05.000 He was the co-founder of the Mailing Cartel.

02:08:08.000 And he was supposed to be coming into the U.S.

02:08:10.000 to do life without the possibility of parole.

02:08:12.000 And he's been out of prison for several years after he testified against Noriega.

02:08:17.000 And he's worked for the CIA since then.

02:08:21.000 So he's been up and about doing his business with the CIA.

02:08:25.000 And I think that maybe Gary, you know, maybe that was the story that he was working on.

02:08:30.000 I don't know.

02:08:31.000 I'm not sure.

02:08:31.000 But before the break, you described how they like to do it.

02:08:35.000 I mean, you know, describing how this man gone down as he, that night in his home.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, well, you know, we talk about, you know, the Colonel and El Toro, the same thing, with a shotgun, same M.O., allegedly committed suicide.

02:08:54.000 And they do that all the time.

02:08:57.000 They find these freelancers, They go out there and they kill people for the agency or use people from the agency.

02:09:06.000 And they're all ex-law enforcement or military guys that actually believe that they can go out there and do that and get away with it.

02:09:17.000 And they do it most of the time.

02:09:19.000 But before the break you were describing how a lot of times this goes down that they probably talked to him beforehand.

02:09:25.000 Can you describe that for us?

02:09:26.000 Oh yeah, well on that issue, they probably came out to him and they like to do that.

02:09:30.000 They like to tell you why they're going to do you.

02:09:33.000 And I remember seeing that in Salvador and Guatemala.

02:09:35.000 They go, you know what?

02:09:38.000 Today's payback day. 1.00

02:09:39.000 You know, with all the shit that you've done. 1.00

02:09:41.000 You're going to go down and it's up to you to go. 1.00

02:09:45.000 You go easy or you go hard.

02:09:47.000 It's up to you.

02:09:48.000 And what do you got?

02:09:49.000 It's like I remember a CIA guy telling the guy before he killed him in Colorado.

02:09:55.000 Sally, I understand you're doing this for documentary purposes.

02:09:58.000 We have a lot of children listening, but please be careful with any language.

02:10:02.000 I understand this is a murder we're talking about and it's pretty obvious, but yeah, that's what I've always read.

02:10:07.000 I mean, I wasn't a law enforcement head of Latin America for the DEA like you were, and I don't have all this experience.

02:10:12.000 I wasn't a sniper in Vietnam.

02:10:15.000 But just from the criminology I've read, what I've seen, people I've talked to, that this is how they like to do it.

02:10:20.000 You walk in, and they what, hit you with a taser? 0.97

02:10:23.000 You wake up in the chair, and they say, we're about to kill you for what you've done! 0.99

02:10:27.000 Yeah, and they tell you, it's up to you how you want to die. 0.97

02:10:29.000 You want to die slow, or you want to die fast.

02:10:32.000 But you are going to die.

02:10:34.000 We need to know this, we need to know that.

02:10:36.000 Can you just imagine sitting there, figuring that it's the last few minutes of your life, And then they do you the way they do them with a shotgun.

02:10:46.000 And it's devastating.

02:10:47.000 But that's the way they work.

02:10:48.000 That's the way they've done most of the operations that I saw them do.

02:10:53.000 Well, I know it's painful for you to talk about because you were friends.

02:10:56.000 Right.

02:10:57.000 And the thing about it, I kept telling them, what you guys are doing is completely wrong.

02:11:00.000 I mean, it's illegal and so forth.

02:11:05.000 But he said, we're going to stop this.

02:11:07.000 And this is the way we do business.

02:11:08.000 So you would talk to these people when you were down there?

02:11:11.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:11:12.000 And I would actually just walk out of the room.

02:11:16.000 And because I remember one guy that said, you know, you know, if you tell us, we'll let you survive.

02:11:22.000 And after the guy finished spilling the beans, he says, well, you know, now you're going to die.

02:11:26.000 But wait a minute, you said I was going to, I was going to live. 1.00

02:11:29.000 He says, no, you know, we decided that you're a coward. 0.97

02:11:32.000 And the guy was pleading for his life because he had a family and so forth and this and that and they whacked him. 0.99

02:11:40.000 Simple as that.

02:11:40.000 Well, I know this.

02:11:41.000 Here's a little advice to those out there.

02:11:43.000 I'm going to fight.

02:11:45.000 People are going to be guaranteed of that, man.

02:11:47.000 Come to my house and somebody is aiming a shotgun at me, you know.

02:11:50.000 Yes, you try to take a couple with you.

02:11:54.000 And it'll be fine if you do it and fine if you don't.

02:11:57.000 And the thing about it is that I think, Alex, we're at the point that we've made our peace with whoever we have to make our peace with.

02:12:05.000 And everything else is gravy.

02:12:06.000 You know, if you talk, they will come.

02:12:09.000 And they will come.

02:12:10.000 But it's just a matter of time and when they're going to be doing that.

02:12:16.000 But as more people stand up, as millions of people speak out, they can't get everybody.

02:12:23.000 Well, exactly.

02:12:24.000 And that's what's going to happen.

02:12:25.000 People are going to finally realize that it's going to be one of their kids.

02:12:30.000 And then they're going to try to say, well, let's do this and let's do that.

02:12:33.000 And it always happens the way history will show that people will not get involved.

02:12:37.000 You know, it happened with Hitler.

02:12:38.000 Remember Hitler?

02:12:39.000 You know, they all knew he was doing it and they let him do it and got away with it.

02:12:42.000 And then they've created this monster that they couldn't destroy.

02:12:46.000 Well let me try to, and bring Paul Watson in, let me try to go over that psychology.

02:12:49.000 I've found they normally don't just kill you, unless it's organized crime, but separate from the government, for revenge.

02:12:55.000 It's normally because you've got a piece of evidence that is source material, original source research, that will burn them, then they'll kill you.

02:13:04.000 They'll have a plane bomb your house and say your gas main went off.

02:13:07.000 I mean, they'll do whatever it takes.

02:13:11.000 Yeah.

02:13:11.000 And so, so many people that have information creep around with it and do end up getting killed.

02:13:16.000 And it looks to me from the sources I've talked to that Gary was working on something new and big, and that's probably why they killed him.

02:13:22.000 Do you think from your gut level they killed him for revenge as payback or because he was working on something new?

02:13:27.000 Selly?

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 No, I think it was both.

02:13:34.000 He was working on something new.

02:13:37.000 There's no doubt about that because Gary would have to give up. 0.98

02:13:40.000 And secondly, it's revenge, because he's been on pins in the ass for them for so long, with the CIA and their involvement in drug trafficking. 0.84

02:13:49.000 And because drugs are still a big issue in America, you know, he would be the one to really start something to restart the whole issue again. 0.97

02:14:00.000 And we saw with Afghanistan now, with more drugs coming in. 1.00

02:14:04.000 Columbia.

02:14:05.000 Let's not forget Columbia, man.

02:14:06.000 Plan Columbia is devastating.

02:14:08.000 It's killing a lot of the Latinos down there.

02:14:11.000 People are really getting hurt on the drug issue and we have a paramilitary.

02:14:15.000 They're training those people down in Iraq to go to Salvador.

02:14:20.000 I mean, to go to Columbia and start those same operations.

02:14:23.000 The same blueprints they used in Guatemala that they used in Vietnam are going to be used in Columbia.

02:14:29.000 So that's what's going to happen. 0.91

02:14:31.000 And then it gives them a bigger army of sociopathic killers. 0.97

02:14:34.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:14:35.000 And they have their people that go out there and kill people and that's exactly how they work.

02:14:39.000 They'll talk to you real nice and they'll convince you that you are going to die today and how you're going to die is going to be up to you.

02:14:49.000 And that's exactly, I think, what happened to Gary.

02:14:52.000 They went in there and they sent him down and they said, look, it's payback time and number two, what do you got?

02:15:02.000 So, you know, it was both of them.

02:15:04.000 It was a little bit of both, in my opinion.

02:15:07.000 And so they put the screws to him.

02:15:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:10.000 If he won't talk and they just kill him, maybe he will.

02:15:13.000 But I mean, again, people can have knife wounds and shock wounds and be blackened head from toe.

02:15:19.000 And you can have photos of it and they'll say on the news, yeah, it was suicide.

02:15:24.000 And the worst scenario is this.

02:15:26.000 They get caught, for example, doing what they did.

02:15:30.000 They get arrested.

02:15:31.000 They get sentenced.

02:15:34.000 Knowing the fact that when the President leaves, it's going to bother them.

02:15:39.000 Paul Watson, I appreciate you holding during this.

02:15:41.000 Anything you want to add to what Sally's been saying?

02:15:45.000 Well, yeah, talking about the criminology, and this is the same case, I believe, with the so-called suicide of David Kelly.

02:15:53.000 It's almost a case that they want to be caught, which is why they do such a shoddy job in covering up the murder, because it works on two levels.

02:16:02.000 On one level, they put out the story that it was suicide and, you know, bully the police and the paramedics into toeing that line.

02:16:09.000 So that story goes out there, placates the general public.

02:16:13.000 Then underneath that, there's all this evidence that it was a shoddy job, which is, you know, what happened with the Kelly murder.

02:16:20.000 Yeah, go over that!

02:16:20.000 I mean, the police show up and guys in black uniforms run off, there's no blood at the scene, the paramedics say that, the pills aren't digested in his stomach, he told people they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.

02:16:31.000 Yeah, and this again came out two days ago, and just with this web situation, there was a canned media response, which was, oh, the poor family, surely they just want to move on from all this.

02:16:42.000 And if the family knew 5% of the evidence, which they obviously do, against the suicide theory, then they'd want a full public inquest, and not the Hutton whitewash, which Blair said he knew the result of before it even started.

02:16:57.000 Michael Shrimpton, the government barrister who was on your broadcast, said the same thing, that he was murdered, that certain elements of MI5 were unhappy about it.

02:17:05.000 He has that from MI5!

02:17:07.000 And, as you mentioned, the simple fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours, if not days, to die from slitting your wrist, even if you cut through a major artery.

02:17:17.000 And obviously, with the crime scene evidence, there were only spots of blood at the scene where there should have been five pints or more.

02:17:24.000 And then, as you said, the men in black jumpsuits and army fatigues around the body, the special police units before the paramedics got there.

02:17:33.000 As the paramedics said, they find bodies out there on a monthly basis, but in no other instance was there this massive police and army presence.

02:17:41.000 Yes, we'll be back.

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02:21:41.000 I was talking to Shelly during the break, and I don't want to embarrass you, Shelly, but you're almost breaking down over this.

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02:22:02.000 I appreciate your courage in Vietnam as a sniper, highly decorated.

02:22:05.000 I appreciate your courage down there in the drug war for almost seven years as the head of the DEA in Latin America.

02:22:12.000 I appreciate you having the courage to come on this broadcast and we've talked about how you come in your house and they've broken in there and you've gone through a lot and Gary told folks he was being followed and harassed and death-threaded and then to watch the media cover this up but we can get the truth out, we can educate the people and we can explain to the young people, don't use drugs, they're not cool, the government ships them in.

02:22:33.000 And that seems to be a good way to get kids to not ever use drugs and see it as a trap, not as something that's cool.

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02:23:01.000 Right.

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02:23:06.000 Well, Shelley, I think that Gary Webb at 49 survived by children and his wife, I think that he's had a good full life, and I think God was smiling down on him when these sickos obviously killed him, and I think that he's been brought into heaven and is going to be rewarded.

02:23:27.000 He certainly was a good person.

02:23:29.000 Yes, that's the very, very sad thing about it.

02:23:32.000 He was a good person and all he wanted to do was do the right thing and even though he stepped on people's toes and That's the kind of individual that he was, doing the righteous thing.

02:23:48.000 Well, if we had more people like him, we wouldn't be so enslaved right now.

02:23:52.000 Exactly.

02:23:52.000 And once again, education is the key to this whole issue.

02:23:56.000 Educate the public.

02:23:57.000 Educate the kids.

02:23:59.000 And once you do that, then you might get a momentum going and hopefully things will change.

02:24:06.000 And one last thing I want to say is that I'll be at In Austin at the gun show this weekend, in case somebody wants to come by and pick up a video or a book.

02:24:14.000 And that's at the Crockett Center?

02:24:16.000 That's correct, sir.

02:24:17.000 Alright, I may have been out of town, but I may be back by then.

02:24:20.000 I may see you on Sunday.

02:24:22.000 Drop by.

02:24:23.000 Paul Watson, we've got a few minutes left here.

02:24:24.000 We're going to keep Paul into the final segment, get into some other news.

02:24:27.000 Well, thank you for having me.

02:24:29.000 Well, thank you for staying with us here right at the end of this segment.

02:24:32.000 Just a few more minutes, shall we?

02:24:34.000 Paul Watson, You know, these evil people that enjoy doing this, I think it backfires on them.

02:24:42.000 From your studies of these type of assassinations, does it work for them?

02:24:47.000 Well, it hasn't worked with David Kelly, but again, maybe that goes back to the point that they almost want to be caught.

02:24:53.000 One thing which he could pursue with Gary Webb, it'd probably be difficult at the moment, but with Kelly, They got the emails from him.

02:25:03.000 Kelly was killed on the Thursday night.

02:25:05.000 They found his body Friday morning.

02:25:08.000 Later on the emails came out which Kelly had sent with him saying, quote, this should all blow over by early next week.

02:25:15.000 And he was talking about the investigations into the Iraqi WMD.

02:25:20.000 This should all blow over by early next week when I go back to Iraq.

02:25:25.000 And he sent that email on the Monday, Tuesday before he was killed.

02:25:29.000 The strongest evidence is him telling other weapons inspectors if I don't shut up I'll be found dead in the woods.

02:25:36.000 Yeah, exactly, but that email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself.

02:25:40.000 I mean, he also said he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding later on that month.

02:25:46.000 So, I mean, if anyone close to Gary Webb can, you know, who communicated with him by email, can get those emails, then that's a major line of investigation.

02:25:57.000 Selling?

02:25:58.000 Yep, that's right, and that's what the

02:26:02.000 We need to do a lot of people will say well this will blow over and and so forth and that's why we have to continue to to fight for his cause and our cause and and and not let people forget about what happened to him and then you know um you know there's the signs are there you know uh I will tell you today I will never commit suicide but it doesn't mean I'll get hit on with a in an accident and with a 19-wheeler and you know just blow me away or or things like that there's always accidents waiting to happen

02:26:32.000 Or a heart attack.

02:26:35.000 A heart attack, exactly.

02:26:36.000 And, you know, they'll say, well, you know, you had a history of high blood pressure and so forth.

02:26:42.000 And, you know, records will indicate that.

02:26:44.000 But they will tell you that there's medication that you can take covertly and they kill you.

02:26:52.000 You know, give you a massive heart attack.

02:26:55.000 But it does happen.

02:26:57.000 And once you make statements like that, then they'll go to Plan B.

02:27:02.000 You know, the guys that do this though, that go around killing good people that stand up for the little folks, they've got to have a hellish world.

02:27:08.000 I mean, when I do something bad in my life, it always comes back on me.

02:27:11.000 Shelly, you reap what you sow.

02:27:13.000 I wouldn't want to be between God and these evil globalists.

02:27:17.000 Yeah.

02:27:18.000 Well, they get in denial.

02:27:20.000 Denial building.

02:27:22.000 And they actually think that they're doing something for the government.

02:27:27.000 That they can be proud of.

02:27:28.000 Yeah.

02:27:28.000 Shelley, take care, my friend.

02:27:30.000 Thank you, sir.

02:27:30.000 We'll be back with Paul Watson.

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02:31:06.000 And boy, Selly was almost breaking down during a break.

02:31:10.000 I was talking to him because he was friends with Gary Webb.

02:31:14.000 But just such a sad story.

02:31:16.000 You know, the least you can do is just get informed and inform others.

02:31:22.000 And Selly's got to be concerned.

02:31:24.000 I mean, he's as prominent as Gary Webb is.

02:31:28.000 He's got photos of these CIA guys, and all their names, and he saw them dealing the drugs.

02:31:33.000 I mean, it's like Terry Reed saw them unloading the cocaine up in Mena.

02:31:38.000 The Bushes and Clinton in business.

02:31:40.000 And she tells somebody, that's not true.

02:31:42.000 Oh, why does George Bush protect Bill Clinton?

02:31:44.000 Block Dan Burton's committee.

02:31:46.000 It's the same thing. 0.72

02:31:47.000 It's so sick.

02:31:49.000 And they laugh at us. 1.00

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02:31:59.000 It's so evil, folks. 0.99

02:32:01.000 And then you look at the big private prison companies that are the same ones that are owned by the big families that we know are the biggest drug dealers.

02:32:08.000 I mean, they've got quite a system set up.

02:32:10.000 I don't know how police can go out and do their job.

02:32:14.000 Triple the heroin, double the cocaine on the streets than there was ten years ago.

02:32:18.000 Drug war bigger than ever.

02:32:20.000 Yeah, you've done a great job ruining this country.

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02:32:25.000 The junkies want the drugs because they're so expensive. 0.99

02:32:28.000 Nine out of ten robberies drug-related.

02:32:30.000 You've caused it all!

02:32:32.000 It's meant to break this country down.

02:32:34.000 Great job!

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02:37:21.000 Paul Watson, I want to thank you for riding shotgun with us and holding for all these guests and people.

02:37:27.000 I want to go to John and Rick and Jim and Bill and William and others, but right now, for folks that just joined us, any other important news you want to talk about, things that are happening globally?

02:37:41.000 Yeah, the global news is the geopolitical situation, and that is that China and Russia have just announced their first joint war games.

02:37:51.000 And the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the US is being led down, which is pre-emptive imperial action abroad and, you know, police state measures at home.

02:38:02.000 And in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both China and Russia have been designed around repelling an attack, repelling against an attack by the US.

02:38:13.000 Which is no surprise because the neocons don't hide the fact that no matter how large the country is, anybody's a target.

02:38:21.000 In their own recent policy documents and these speeches at the Jerusalem Summit, they again listed France as a military enemy.

02:38:31.000 And in fact, William Crystal, from the reports that he wrote that we posted on the website, is now encouraging the US to invade South Korea, that's South Korea, not North Korea, under the justification that they're secretly working with the North Koreans in allowing them to advance their nuke program. 0.55

02:38:52.000 So, in the face of this, it's no surprise that Russia and China are bonding.

02:38:57.000 And the man with the soul of love, Mr. Pooty Poot, as Bush calls him, Vladimir Putin... By the way, that's true.

02:39:05.000 He calls him Pooty Poot.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, at the ranch.

02:39:09.000 That's his pet name.

02:39:10.000 That's nicer than my nickname for you, Waddy Watt.

02:39:13.000 But Putin came out publicly Uh, in the past few days and said the U.S.

02:39:20.000 was a dictatorship for interfering in the Ukraine situation.

02:39:24.000 So now Richard Perle... We have a chilling of the love fest!

02:39:28.000 Chilling of the love fest.

02:39:30.000 And so Perle and people within the White House are beginning to question whether Russia should be seen as an enemy again.

02:39:36.000 But the overriding factor is that, you know, the neocons can't really have any complaints because what's happening in the US internally is almost as bad as Russia and China.

02:39:47.000 Putin just abolished the elections of regional governors by popular vote.

02:39:53.000 You know, how different is that from the growth of federalization, the growth of government in the US?

02:39:58.000 Regional governors will keep the systems in line?

02:40:01.000 Fear!

02:40:01.000 Oh boy.

02:40:04.000 And China just arrested another group of intellectuals for criticizing the government.

02:40:10.000 So how much different is that from the artist who was also almost arrested for creating the picture of the bush face made out of monkeys?

02:40:19.000 You know, they shut the entire art exhibit down in New York.

02:40:23.000 Yeah, I saw the picture.

02:40:24.000 It was no big deal. 0.60

02:40:25.000 Bush's face made up of a bunch of images of monkeys.

02:40:28.000 And then they shut the art exhibit down.

02:40:30.000 We may arrest you!

02:40:31.000 You talked about the great leader!

02:40:33.000 Oh my, oh my, oh! 0.98

02:40:35.000 It's like high school students who get arrested for having t-shirts with Bush on them saying, not my president.

02:40:42.000 And they actually bring the police in and arrest them.

02:40:44.000 And then again, that's nothing compared to, you know, the ten-year-old girl who was arrested for bringing a pair of scissors into school. 0.72

02:40:52.000 She pulled her scissors out during the craft time when they had their little scissors and was cutting and they had to arrest her, this is dangerous for you! 0.58

02:41:00.000 So again, they're both following the same policies internally and geopolitically.

02:41:06.000 But it seems that they're following the same road, but going in different directions.

02:41:10.000 So it seems that some organized chaos later on down the road is in the pipeline to create this global horror that the globalists need to put an end to.

02:41:19.000 Yeah, all this is a precursor.

02:41:20.000 After the next big terror attack, the draft comes and the real war starts. 0.66

02:41:25.000 The real wars which will require, for North Korea it was 600,000 troops.

02:41:32.000 So, I mean, all the people who speak out against this draft say there's no way they need a draft.

02:41:38.000 They've got plenty of reserves, plenty of troops to fight these wars.

02:41:41.000 Well, that's not the case when you get onto the borders of North Korea and then China.

02:41:45.000 Then they will need the full draft.

02:41:50.000 I tell you, the globalists have really set up a mess.

02:41:54.000 Meanwhile, do you see this article?

02:41:56.000 It's mainstream news, folks.

02:41:58.000 A satanic blood ritual and orgy manuals handed out to the middle school students?

02:42:07.000 Yeah, just completely by accident amongst a set of other material.

02:42:12.000 I forgot what it was related to now but something mundane.

02:42:15.000 Just by accident amongst it are these satanic witch blood ritual manuals which just, you know, casually got handed out amongst the students.

02:42:26.000 And I believe that came down directly from the police, so just an accident again.

02:42:33.000 Well, it's all very Christian. 0.95

02:42:34.000 I mean, Skull and Bones is Christian, Paul. 1.00

02:42:38.000 And then the real Christianity, I mean, we've got the article out in the London Evening Standard today.

02:42:44.000 A third of people don't know Jesus' birthplace.

02:42:48.000 Bethlehem!

02:42:49.000 Ooh, I'm smart!

02:42:52.000 So the real, you know, the real education on Christianity, even if you're not a Christian, you know the basic tenets of the Bible and how to live your life, which is, you know, successful and moral.

02:43:02.000 That's all being suppressed and even turned into hate crimes in Canada and now the U.S.

02:43:07.000 Well, France just passed a law where you criticize or say you don't like homosexuality several years in prison and over a $60,000 fine.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, and that's the definition of thought crime.

02:43:20.000 Homosexual movement preachers' tolerance doesn't tolerate any criticism of it. 0.75

02:43:26.000 And that's not being run by even the homosexual leaders of those movements.

02:43:31.000 It's all coming down directly from government, who then legislate this into law to make it the pretext for shutting down any kind of free speech.

02:43:39.000 It's scary, folks.

02:43:40.000 This whole thing is just...

02:43:42.000 Yeah, we may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI connected slimeballs, who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity. 0.74

02:43:47.000 But I think, well, they're the underground.

02:43:48.000 John in Ohio, go ahead.

02:43:50.000 We may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI-connected slimeballs who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity, but I think they're the underground.

02:44:01.000 I think we know the overground perpetrators.

02:44:04.000 It's the media.

02:44:06.000 It's the New York Times.

02:44:07.000 It's the Washington Post.

02:44:08.000 It's the Los Angeles Times who did an assassination attempt on him, on Gary Webb, when more and more people became aware of the crime.

02:44:18.000 What's the credibility assassination?

02:44:19.000 A credibility of character assassination, and they're doing it now posthumously, and I think we've got to realize that we can go after them

02:44:28.000 And I was recalling the FAIR.org organization, the Media Monitor, which has become kind of watered down in recent years, but originally their editor went to the New York Times, which is one of the biggest conduits for CI disinformation, and he asked them why they weren't publishing this evidence of CI involvement in drug trafficking that's available in the public record.

02:44:50.000 And their top investigator report told them we're never going to allow that information to get to the public.

02:44:56.000 That would destroy the system.

02:44:58.000 But because it was not in a public forum, they could admit this kind of stuff.

02:45:04.000 And I think people have got to realize that the CIA, even according to Carl Bernstein, couldn't get it written in his own Washington Post, had to get it written in an alternate magazine years ago.

02:45:13.000 That all of the top media, the networks, the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, have collaborated with the CIA all throughout the Cold War in planting false information to frame up countries for attack.

02:45:25.000 The NPR pretends to be an alternative.

02:45:27.000 Its chairman, Kevin Close, is a former head of all CIA foreign propaganda broadcasting.

02:45:33.000 No, I know.

02:45:34.000 Thanks for the call.

02:45:35.000 I appreciate it.

02:45:36.000 Ian Fox News, one of the contributors to the The character assassination hasn't stopped either.

02:45:40.000 the Brett Humes, NPR people.

02:45:43.000 It's a joke, folks, it's a joke.

02:45:46.000 Let's talk, comments, Paul? - Well, yeah, the character assassination hasn't stopped either.

02:45:52.000 Miami Herald with the headline, you know, "Web's research based on discredited reports." When the congressional investigations, which proved it, I mean, you just had a former head of DEA who was witness to it.

02:46:08.000 So the character assassinations continued, the obituary in the LA Times was scathing as well, which is why we're going to put up this page later on today.

02:46:17.000 With all this evidence thrown in with these interviews today which will counter that and that will wreck up the internet.

02:46:22.000 The real obituary.

02:46:25.000 William, I believe it's Dr. Deagle, what's going on?

02:46:28.000 Hi Alex.

02:46:29.000 Hello.

02:46:30.000 Just on today.

02:46:31.000 Hello?

02:46:33.000 Yes sir, go ahead.

02:46:33.000 Great, you're still on because all of a sudden it sounded like it disappeared.

02:46:38.000 I want to come from a different point of view.

02:46:40.000 I know Delta, Special Ops, the Navy and so on and everything you say and your experts say just now is absolutely the truth.

02:46:46.000 These drugs are coming in and I'm gonna ask them if they're listening now and a lot of them are Christians and they've seen these drugs come in on naval ships and C-130s when they're coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq. 1.00

02:46:58.000 I want them to speak up and call this radio program today or other days and as we stand up in the tens and the hundreds and the thousands we're going to start coming against this drug war.

02:47:09.000 And then I want to mention two other things that haven't been mentioned so far.

02:47:13.000 The war on drugs is also a war on pain patients and pain doctors.

02:47:17.000 And where's all this money going?

02:47:18.000 It's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss.

02:47:22.000 By the trillions of dollars in the last number of years.

02:47:25.000 And it's subverting the very basis of the Constitution, which is that The Congress determines where money is spent, and there's trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we can discuss at another date.

02:47:39.000 Yeah, the drug war is hundreds of billions a year that the globalists make off of, and then they make money fighting it and set up the police state.

02:47:47.000 And then they're persecuting people who are dying.

02:47:49.000 They can't get their pain medications, and they're putting doctors, like Dr. Hurwitz now in Virginia, who's going to jail.

02:47:55.000 Looks like multiple life sentences are trying to treat pain patients.

02:47:58.000 This is The end of America.

02:48:01.000 And if people don't speak up now, that means you people on the front lines that are in CIA and DEA, you've got to start speaking up now because you're on the inside like I've been.

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02:53:28.000 Go ahead.

02:53:29.000 Hello, gentlemen.

02:53:29.000 It's an honor.

02:53:30.000 Listen, Alex, I have a question for you.

02:53:35.000 Sure.

02:53:35.000 If you were to be given the choice between appearing with Bill Maher, who yucks it up with former CIA directors, you know, war criminals, or with Jon Stewart, who yucks it up with Henry Kissinger and other various war criminals, or with George Norrie, who is a friend of the people, whose show would you choose to appear on?

02:53:56.000 George Norrie, that show's bigger than the Daily Show and it's bigger than the other one.

02:54:01.000 Well, here's my thing, sir.

02:54:03.000 With your permission, I have email addresses for George Norrie and for the producer of Coast to Coast AM.

02:54:09.000 I believe we need to have you on.

02:54:11.000 I believe we need to take the initiative here because the government's going to crank up this information on Gary Webb.

02:54:19.000 Yeah, they do have me on that show on a routine basis, and that is a good idea to go on.

02:54:28.000 I don't want to lobby them, but... No, I ask your audience, sir, and I will be part of that effort, to email George Norrie, that's george, at coast2coastam.com.

02:54:40.000 And to ask him to put you on for an emergency Gary Webb program.

02:54:45.000 And that's George at coast2coastam.com.

02:54:48.000 and there's the producer also is coast producer at aol.com that's yeah producer at aol.com yeah i don't want to tell people to lobby them because they are I want your audience to do so, sir.

02:55:01.000 They already have me on and they're great folks, but they'll do what they need to do.

02:55:05.000 Listen, I hear you.

02:55:08.000 Rick, you're too kind.

02:55:12.000 They have me on and when they want to have me on, they will.

02:55:14.000 And people do ask to have me on.

02:55:15.000 That's probably why they do, but I don't want to tell folks to lobby and do that.

02:55:18.000 But it is a good idea.

02:55:20.000 Paul, anything you want to say about that?

02:55:23.000 Well, besides that, in, you know, after I get off the air in about two hours it'll be all over the internet anyway in this story we're gonna put together so, you know, we're gonna blitz it out there.

02:55:33.000 Yeah, help us spread the word by emailing it out to people.

02:55:36.000 Yep.

02:55:37.000 Uh, Jim in Michigan.

02:55:38.000 Go ahead, Jim.

02:55:41.000 Uh, you had mentioned a number of times in your films how the government was so good about, uh, covering up all the evidence at Waco.

02:55:48.000 They bulldozed everything.

02:55:50.000 Ruby Woods, uh, the shooter there was the same one that was at, uh, Waco. 0.60

02:55:57.000 And, uh, You were talking about the attitudes of these guys and the evidence to get anybody caught at anything.

02:56:05.000 Well, when the government does all that, one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lies.

02:56:12.000 And, uh, Dan Rather had a segment on 60 Minutes, and you'll remember the issue came up about who was shooting first at Waco, and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards... Yes.

02:56:24.000 Well, the doors conveniently disappeared.

02:56:27.000 That's what everybody was told when they cleaned everything up.

02:56:31.000 Well, when Dan Rather did the... Call me back!

02:56:33.000 Call me back tomorrow!

02:56:34.000 Tonight!

Alex Jones Show - December 21, 2004

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