Alex Jones Show - 20050113_Thu_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother, mainstream media, government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friends.

00:00:39.000 Welcome.

00:00:40.000 Here we are.

00:00:41.000 It's already Thursday, the 13th day of January 2005.

00:00:46.000 We'll be live for the next three hours.

00:00:49.000 Colonel Craig Roberts will be joining us in the second hour to talk about the police state, the new freedom initiative, to discuss the national ID card, to talk about the new year-round census we'll all be living under.

00:01:06.000 But he'll also be joining us to talk about the report we covered with Pat Shannon yesterday with this top BATF officer, the individual who was over the National Security Council program of testing truck bombs and car bombs out in the New Mexico desert in the year before the Oklahoma City tragedy on April 19, 1995, who was then on the ground

00:01:34.000 As the blast went off in Oklahoma City.

00:01:38.000 He didn't live in Oklahoma City, boys and girls.

00:01:41.000 Then, of course, Danny Colson, one of the high-level FBI agents over an entire department sector of the FBI.

00:01:52.000 This guy claimed he was in Dallas the day of the event, but it turns out he was there the day before.

00:02:01.000 The night before in Oklahoma City.

00:02:04.000 I mean, this is important because Oklahoma City was really sloppily done.

00:02:10.000 And it wasn't as sophisticated as the government terror attack of 9-11.

00:02:14.000 And we can really prove that they, that is our loving government that's taking all our freedoms, were intimately involved in it.

00:02:23.000 And Craig Roberts is a real expert on it.

00:02:25.000 He even worked the case as a police officer there in Oklahoma.

00:02:31.000 So, Colonel Roberts joining us, coming up in the next hour.

00:02:36.000 I do want to take your phone calls.

00:02:37.000 Didn't get to a lot of them yesterday because I had three great guests on, but we'll take a lot of your calls in this first hour.

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00:02:44.000 I might even go to some calls in the next segment.

00:02:47.000 Uncle Sam wants your data all year round.

00:02:49.000 I might even go to some calls in the next segment.

00:02:53.000 Uncle Sam wants your data all year round.

00:02:57.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:03:02.000 I probably see when I'm scanning the news wires at night, when I mainly do it, a hundred articles every day about Big Brother wants your data, data, data, data.

00:03:14.000 I didn't read deeper into this article.

00:03:18.000 I figured it was just another report about Total Information Awareness Network of the thousands we've seen.

00:03:24.000 Well, this morning I happened to read deeper into it.

00:03:28.000 And so we'll cover it today.

00:03:30.000 Now, again, we knew this from the federal announcements in 2000.

00:03:33.000 The general public couldn't believe it.

00:03:36.000 Now it's public.

00:03:38.000 And I was wrong.

00:03:39.000 You will not be given a census once a year.

00:03:43.000 That's what the preliminary documents said.

00:03:48.000 Four years ago.

00:03:50.000 They have now decided to do it every day.

00:03:55.000 Yes.

00:03:57.000 Every day.

00:04:00.000 And you will have to answer every question they give you.

00:04:04.000 Everything you do will be tracked and traced.

00:04:08.000 And this is part of the whole National ID Card system.

00:04:11.000 Now, you're not going to be getting a census every day in the mail.

00:04:14.000 You'll get one of those every year in the last few hundreds of questions.

00:04:19.000 No, it's just going to be everything you do will be tracked and traced by your loving government.

00:04:24.000 That's nothing to do with terrorism, of course.

00:04:25.000 Everything to do with Managing their control grid and seeing how much they can get out of us on the treadmill.

00:04:33.000 So, details of this and just so much more coming up after this quick break.

00:04:38.000 We have posted the Dean Haglund interview about 9-11 at prisonplanet.tv.

00:04:45.000 We have a teaser there.

00:04:47.000 We're non-members, so go check it out.

00:04:50.000 We'll be right back.

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00:08:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:21.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, again, it's Thursday.

00:08:36.000 The 13th of January, 2005.

00:08:42.000 Already 8 minutes and 30 seconds into the first hour, second segment of this broadcast.

00:08:47.000 Colonel Craig Roberts joining us to talk about a whole plethora of key issues.

00:08:53.000 We'll cover the field and focus in on Oklahoma City and more and more information that is coming out, making it crystal clear who was behind their explosions.

00:09:07.000 The attacks.

00:09:09.000 Motion filed for Philadelphia protesters.

00:09:12.000 Christians evangelizing at homosexual events seek federal relief. 0.58

00:09:20.000 Now again, I've read the Associated Press and the Philadelphia Daily News and all the mainstream media admits they went there to a designated protest area.

00:09:31.000 Now it's designated, see here, in the land of the free and home of the slaves. 0.75

00:09:36.000 And they were praying, and the police, there were federal prosecutors there that advised them, Bush appointees there who advised them, that advised local police that what they were saying was hateful and could incite violence.

00:09:54.000 And so, they're facing 47 years in prison apiece, including a young 17-year-old lady who was there, praying.

00:10:06.000 And again, Republican Governor Mark Schweiker, a few years ago, passed a law where if you read from the Old Testament passages critical of homosexuality, you can be arrested or fined.

00:10:19.000 They've passed similar laws in Europe, Canada, and of course in England, but now it's happening here in America.

00:10:28.000 And Pat Robertson and the rest of them aren't going to talk about it, because it's the land of milk and honey now, with Lord Bush in there. 0.61

00:10:37.000 Our good friend who attends the Bohemian Grove, where the New York Post reports they bus in top gay porn stars who, quote, serve as world leaders. 0.87

00:10:49.000 Wonder why Rush Limbaugh didn't pick up on that. 1.00

00:10:53.000 They're a bunch of hypocrites is what they are, folks. 1.00

00:10:59.000 Very, very serious. 0.99

00:11:03.000 So, regardless of which side of the fence you are on in this issue, don't you believe in people's free speech?

00:11:10.000 In their right to go out on the street corner and say whatever they want?

00:11:18.000 Or should they get 47 years?

00:11:21.000 That's 47 years in prison for criticizing someone.

00:11:29.000 Now understand, people are getting two years in prison for having anti-bush signs on street corners.

00:11:37.000 Signs that say no blood for oil.

00:11:40.000 Understand that everybody's losing their freedoms in this country.

00:11:44.000 But the left, that is the establishment left lackeys, love it when conservatives lose their rights.

00:11:51.000 And the neocon followers love it when liberals lose their rights to speak.

00:11:57.000 Well, I don't like it when anybody loses their rights, but Christians are being singled out like no one else.

00:12:05.000 And the Christian Church is totally silent on it because they've been cowed through their 501c3. 0.66

00:12:13.000 One of the attorneys for the Christian protesters who are criminally You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike. 0.99

00:12:21.000 have renewed an appeal in federal court citing the Supreme Court statement "Speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob." You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike.

00:12:41.000 But I've been doing my TV show for almost 10 years.

00:12:45.000 I'm being sarcastic when I say great minds.

00:12:49.000 Just teasing a little bit about myself.

00:12:52.000 But I've been thinking about all the hundreds and hundreds of TV shows I've done, where I went out and confronted the Million Mom March, known as the 100 Bureaucrat March.

00:13:03.000 Well, that was in reverse.

00:13:05.000 The 100 Bureaucrat March, known as the Million Mom March, or where Delta Force arrested us, or detained us, or all this stuff that I've never put in films, that's frankly in many cases even more riveting than what's in my videos, that is going to be lost to the world if we don't show it.

00:13:28.000 So last night, Mike pulled out an old tape, an old hour-long tape of a demonstration we had against the Million 0.99

00:13:35.000 gun grabbers and we played it and I haven't seen this in like four years no five years was five years old and on this video it shows us peaceably standing there with a million moms hitting us with signs and yelling at us and throwing water on our cameras and then the state police at the Capitol they go then cattle on us and the state police come over and tell us well

00:14:05.000 Yes, they're the ones hitting you, and yes, we saw some of that, but I don't care if you have it on videotape, you're causing them to do that by standing there with a camera.

00:14:19.000 And, of course, then about a year later, the state lost three different $100,000 lawsuits For arresting, well one group was disabled citizens out protesting Governor Bush on the sidewalk and they arrested them.

00:14:39.000 There were two other cases of this.

00:14:41.000 And so now the state police don't do that, the A.P.E.

00:14:44.000 doesn't do that.

00:14:45.000 In Austin, Texas, they know that there's a First Amendment because they lost lawsuits.

00:14:53.000 But you can see this type of stuff in action, and it's going to be on the website in a couple days for the PrisonPlanet.tv members.

00:15:01.000 I'm going to go ahead and post that whole thing up there.

00:15:06.000 And from time to time, I'm going to start bringing back old TV shows and playing clips of them on the live broadcast.

00:15:13.000 But my point is, is that this is happening to everybody.

00:15:19.000 And this idea That, well, you didn't do anything.

00:15:25.000 You didn't even say a cuss word. 1.00

00:15:26.000 You didn't say fire in a theater.

00:15:28.000 You didn't say anything.

00:15:30.000 But because you were praying...

00:15:33.000 Or because you were videotaping the 100 bureaucrat march, or because you were holding up a sign that said, no blood for oil, and 500 Bush supporters didn't like it on the sidewalk, in their unpermitted demonstration, and you were there with your one sign saying, I don't like Bush, and so the police come arrest you and charge you with felonies, under Secret Service orders, and say, well, you could have incited something.

00:15:57.000 So again, speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob.

00:16:03.000 Well, that's an old Supreme Court ruling.

00:16:05.000 You see, the new atmosphere is no anti-Bush signs allowed on the parade route coming up next week on the 20th for the inauguration, the coronation of our Skull and Bones leader.

00:16:21.000 No crosses allowed.

00:16:23.000 Those might incite someone.

00:16:26.000 Understand, these coronations have always been public.

00:16:29.000 The people can come out and stand on the sides of the streets and do whatever they want as long as they don't jump in the street or, you know, yell fire in the theater.

00:16:38.000 Not anymore, boys and girls.

00:16:40.000 Not anymore.

00:16:44.000 And I have seen reports of people that go to city council meetings and calmly speak And the council member doesn't like it and says, hate speech!

00:16:53.000 Seize that man!

00:16:55.000 Actually saying, seize that man!

00:16:58.000 I mean, we're talking about going back to the Middle Ages here!

00:17:01.000 Or Cuba today!

00:17:03.000 Seize that woman! 1.00

00:17:05.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:17:08.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:17:11.000 So see, none of this has anything to do with terrorism, but notice, with all the heightened security and the rest of it, this is all the pretext for it.

00:17:20.000 The filing by the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy seeks emergency relief in federal district court based on evidence from a December preliminary hearing.

00:17:30.000 A group of 11 Christians was preaching God's Word to a crowd of people attending the outfest event and displaying banners with biblical messages.

00:17:39.000 After a confrontation with a group called the Pink Angels, again it's all on video, they run up and scream and yell and start stuff, described by protesters as a militant mob, the Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.

00:17:53.000 Eight charges were filed, criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, Reckless endangerment of another person.

00:18:00.000 Ethnic intimidation. 0.99

00:18:01.000 Riot.

00:18:02.000 Failure to disperse.

00:18:03.000 Disorderly conduct.

00:18:04.000 Obstructing highways.

00:18:06.000 And it's all admitted.

00:18:07.000 They were in the designated area.

00:18:08.000 The police said, you can be here.

00:18:10.000 They have video.

00:18:11.000 No weapons.

00:18:11.000 Nothing happened.

00:18:12.000 That's all admitted.

00:18:14.000 None of the Pink Angels was cited for arrest.

00:18:18.000 And it goes on and on, folks.

00:18:21.000 So this is the new America. 0.70

00:18:24.000 Go to Jason, David, Alex.

00:18:24.000 We'll come back.

00:18:27.000 Michael, Eric, and many, many others that are holding.

00:18:31.000 Then, Prince Harry says sorry for his Nazi uniform.

00:18:36.000 He's wearing the Afrika Korps. 0.64

00:18:40.000 After all, his grandmother's uncle was a top Nazi.

00:18:49.000 They're all German. 0.95

00:18:50.000 The poor British have their ruling German family over them. 1.00

00:18:54.000 Most of them don't even know it.

00:18:55.000 They get angry if you tell them, a lot of them.

00:18:58.000 Well, it's okay.

00:18:59.000 We've got a German death cult member of the same family as our president. 1.00

00:19:04.000 So, it's alright.

00:19:05.000 I mean, we've got our ruler, too.

00:19:08.000 It's alright.

00:19:10.000 We'll all be getting one soon enough.

00:19:11.000 In fact, America's going to have a real live one who openly says he admires Hitler soon, who's actually, you know, wasn't even born here. 0.62

00:19:19.000 So, don't feel bad.

00:19:22.000 We've got ours too, but they're getting even purer ones here for us in the near future.

00:19:30.000 So, again, don't feel bad.

00:19:33.000 Also, There's just so much here, folks.

00:19:37.000 It's just amazing.

00:19:38.000 Thatcher guilty plea over coup attempt.

00:19:41.000 Very friendly fella.

00:19:43.000 And another article here, snooping by satellite, all part of the new freedom.

00:19:48.000 It's all coming up, ladies and gentlemen, after this quick break.

00:19:53.000 But do not criticize Nazis, or you will be labeled anti-Semitic, and I'm serious when I say that.

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00:24:12.000 Always good to hear from you.

00:24:13.000 Jason in Arizona, you're on the air.

00:24:15.000 Go ahead, Jason.

00:24:16.000 Hi Alex.

00:24:17.000 You know, this freedom of speech not only protects the speech you like, it especially protects the speech you hate.

00:24:24.000 That's all part about, you know, Accepting the whole freedom of speech issue.

00:24:29.000 Well, that's why it came first.

00:24:31.000 It's not the First Amendment for nothing.

00:24:34.000 But if you look at the First Amendment, number one, the average American doesn't know what the First Amendment is.

00:24:39.000 They go, oh, freedom of the press.

00:24:41.000 No, it's of speech.

00:24:42.000 It's of religion.

00:24:43.000 It's of assembly.

00:24:45.000 It's of petitions.

00:24:46.000 It's to take action.

00:24:48.000 Because the pen is mightier than the sword.

00:24:51.000 And our government, when it was a good government, knew that.

00:24:55.000 And now you look at the churches.

00:24:57.000 I mean, I've got memos from Baptist churches where they're told, tell your members, don't talk about politics in the pews, because we could lose our 501c3.

00:25:07.000 That's not true!

00:25:09.000 But I mean, the government just tells the churches this, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

00:25:19.000 The government isn't supposed to be involved in religion!

00:25:22.000 You know, my mother had a One of those evangelist tapes from, I think it was 1975, and he was predicting all this fact.

00:25:31.000 Even then, the scanners, the microchips... Exactly, but now those have all been bought up, and you tune into those shows, and it's George Bush's of the Lord, and these scanners aren't bad, and the chips aren't bad!

00:25:44.000 You know, people tend to forget those kind of sermons when it was okay to talk about those sort of things.

00:25:51.000 I wanted to ask you, I had You had mentioned you had some footage that you haven't released on your videos and whatnot.

00:26:02.000 I don't have some footage.

00:26:05.000 I have probably 500 hours.

00:26:08.000 What I'm doing is, I sent you an email.

00:26:10.000 I don't know if you got it, but I'm writing a short film about the Patriot Act and the Constitution.

00:26:15.000 I'm contrasting the two of how it's superseding our liberties.

00:26:20.000 And, um, I'm doing it in interrogation, kind of, the guy gets pulled over for, you know, routine traffic stuff, and he's taken away by the men in black, so to speak.

00:26:29.000 And, uh, I was wondering if... I would... I want to enter it in Sundance, and I would... Would it be okay if I used clips of your documentary, uh...

00:26:42.000 Well, are you talking about Sundance this year or next year?

00:26:46.000 Well, I'd like to get it in by the deadline, but if I can't, then I'll do it for two weeks.

00:26:50.000 Well, Sundance is next week!

00:26:51.000 Okay, see, I'm so out of the loop, so I'd have to do... The next one I can enter it in as well.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, it's not easy to get into Sundance.

00:26:59.000 I can imagine, but I feel I have a good script and I was wondering if you would want to be a part of it.

00:27:07.000 I'm not going to be... Well, I'm not tooting my horn.

00:27:08.000 I was invited to Sundance, but I'm not going.

00:27:10.000 I've got stuff to do around here.

00:27:13.000 If anybody does a piece of work and then sends it to me, I mean, I don't want to see it.

00:27:18.000 I mean, that's what you do.

00:27:19.000 You make a piece of work, then you try to, you know, get permission from people.

00:27:22.000 But, I mean, do the work, and then let me see it, and I mean, I probably wouldn't have a problem letting you use some clips.

00:27:27.000 Frankly, I mean, it's public domain, too.

00:27:29.000 A lot of it's fair use, so I don't think you really need my permission.

00:27:32.000 Right, well, just, well, you know, if I use something with your image or likeness, I don't know... Well, I'd like to see it.

00:27:38.000 I'd like to see it.

00:27:39.000 Okay.

00:27:40.000 Alright, well thank you for your time.

00:27:41.000 Yes sir, do it.

00:27:42.000 I commend you.

00:27:43.000 Great job.

00:27:44.000 David and Mass, you're on the air.

00:27:46.000 Go ahead.

00:27:47.000 Alex, how are you today?

00:27:48.000 Good.

00:27:49.000 Listen, I got a story for you.

00:27:51.000 Maybe you heard it or not, I don't know, but I saw it this morning.

00:27:54.000 This is an Associated Press story.

00:27:57.000 Pair arrested for telling lawyer jokes.

00:28:01.000 You want me to read this?

00:28:02.000 There's too many of these.

00:28:04.000 I miss most of them.

00:28:05.000 No, I didn't hear about it.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, this is the latest one.

00:28:08.000 I mean, I think it happened on...

00:28:11.000 You know, a couple days ago.

00:28:12.000 Well, what about the one where a man arrested for getting 10%, not 20% on tip in New York?

00:28:19.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:28:19.000 Or another one, a woman arrested for eating last piece of candy bar as she walked down into the subway system.

00:28:27.000 Or a man arrested for putting feet on park bench.

00:28:30.000 Or a child arrested for saying the word poop.

00:28:35.000 But go ahead.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, yeah, this is out of Hampstead, New York.

00:28:38.000 This is, did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyers jokes?

00:28:43.000 It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.

00:28:52.000 Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?

00:28:56.000 Unquote.

00:28:56.000 Harvey Cash reported asked Carl Lazera.

00:29:01.000 I think they should be sent to a camp.

00:29:02.000 Tell you what, stay there.

00:29:03.000 I want to hear more about this.

00:29:06.000 Email it.

00:29:06.000 To get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.

00:29:12.000 He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel who charged them with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor.

00:29:22.000 I think they should be sent to a camp.

00:29:24.000 Say what, stay there.

00:29:25.000 I want to hear more about this.

00:29:26.000 Email it to me, okay?

00:29:30.000 But stay there.

00:29:30.000 I want to hear more about the article.

00:29:31.000 Okay, David?

00:29:33.000 You still there?

00:29:34.000 Good.

00:29:34.000 Stay there.

00:29:34.000 Don't hang up.

00:29:35.000 Okay.

00:29:36.000 I always say don't hang up.

00:29:36.000 People do.

00:29:37.000 I want to hear about this.

00:29:38.000 Look, this is good, folks.

00:29:40.000 And David may be supporting Al Qaeda right now.

00:29:43.000 We might want to arrest him.

00:29:45.000 We'll be right back.

00:29:46.000 Stay with us.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

00:29:53.000 The empire's on the run.

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00:34:49.000 David, we're about to go back to you because you're reading an article out of New York that I was unaware of, where people made a lawyer joke about how do you know when a lawyer's lying, his lips move, and they got arrested.

00:34:59.000 We'll go to you in about three minutes, and then to Alex and Richard and Eric and Joe and others.

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00:40:44.000 Alright, David and Mass, thanks for holding.

00:40:49.000 Recap what you were saying last segment.

00:40:51.000 You have this news article.

00:40:52.000 Tell us the newspaper name and read it to us again.

00:40:56.000 Well, actually, it's from the Associated Press, but actually, the link I got it off was the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

00:41:06.000 Okay, Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

00:41:08.000 Give us the headline, and folks can type it in the search engine and get it.

00:41:11.000 Yeah.

00:41:12.000 The headline is, Payer Arrested for Telling Lawyer Jokes.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, that's the headline.

00:41:21.000 So, yeah, if you type that in, you'll get it.

00:41:23.000 And, uh, read us the article.

00:41:24.000 Okay, um, yeah, okay, from the top, then.

00:41:27.000 Hamstead, New York.

00:41:28.000 Did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyer jokes?

00:41:33.000 It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform, who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.

00:41:42.000 Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?

00:41:45.000 Harvey Cash reportedly asked Carl Munzera.

00:41:45.000 Unquote.

00:41:50.000 His lips are moving, they said in unison.

00:41:53.000 While some waiting to get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.

00:42:00.000 He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel, who charged them with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor.

00:42:10.000 Quote, they just can't take it, unquote, Cash said of lawyers in general.

00:42:14.000 Quote, this violates our First Amendment rights, unquote.

00:42:18.000 Dan Bagnola, a spokesman for the Nassau County Courts, said the men were being, quote, were being disruptive, abusive, and they were causing a disturbance, unquote.

00:42:29.000 He said, He did not have the name of a lawyer who complained.

00:42:33.000 I mean, that's the gist of it.

00:42:34.000 There's a couple of other paragraphs, but... So now, what it means... Yeah, being abusive and that they were causing a disturbance for telling lawyers jokes.

00:42:44.000 That's being abusive and constitutes being arrested for a misdemeanor.

00:42:50.000 Well, that's what it's all about now in America, and I mean, Christians are facing 47 years in prison, admittedly, for praying on a street corner. 0.72

00:42:58.000 Yeah, and I'm guessing that this was, it was a courthouse, so I'm guessing they were waiting on the sidewalk, I mean, in a public place, in a public area.

00:43:07.000 So, I mean, this really gets back to... I mean, we're not going to be able to walk down the street and say anything, I guess, pretty soon.

00:43:14.000 Well, it may hurt somebody's feelings, and then if you hurt someone's feelings, they can become upset, and that breaks down the fabric of society, or the fabric of society breaks down and aids Al Qaeda. 0.78

00:43:25.000 And I'm not being sarcastic.

00:43:26.000 This is the new idea.

00:43:28.000 Speeding, pot dealing, selling knockoff Rubik's Cubes, complaining to the VA.

00:43:35.000 I mean, they arrested him as a terrorist and said he complained to the VA.

00:43:39.000 He didn't threaten anybody, but complaining took our time up and is evil.

00:43:45.000 So Homeland Security had to go arrest the guy?

00:43:46.000 I mean, this is a new freedom, sir.

00:43:48.000 That's it.

00:43:49.000 Really, it gets back to, I mean, when they eviscerated the unions back in Woodrow Wilson's end of the days, back in the 20s, business elites went berserk when they passed the Wagner Act of 1935.

00:44:00.000 And think of it, unions were the only really countervailing force.

00:44:06.000 And so they use the Mafia to infiltrate them and take advantage of them?

00:44:10.000 That's right, and ever since that, unions have been eviscerated, so they've eviscerated really every fabric of social...

00:44:20.000 Any type of social consciousness or any kind of thing where you can have any kind of solidarity among people.

00:44:26.000 I mean, there's a great book on this if you want to really check into it at some point.

00:44:29.000 It's called Selling Free Enterprise.

00:44:32.000 And the woman is, it's actually the first academic study that actually came out and talked about the scientific methods of strike-breaking like the, that thing it was called, it was really referred to.

00:44:44.000 As the, uh, what was the name of the Mohawk Valley formula, really, which is really, that's what they really called it in the fifties, but, uh... Well, there were cases back in the twenties and thirties where they would just pull up with private security men with Tommy guns and start shooting people.

00:44:58.000 That was much more... I've seen film of that, them just mowing strikers down.

00:45:02.000 It was much more violent then, but that's the reason they had to go to these more scientific methods of strike-breaking, which is really massive propaganda.

00:45:10.000 I mean, they put this in motion very Viscerously after World War II.

00:45:16.000 The book is great.

00:45:17.000 It's by this woman named Elizabeth A. Phones-Wolf.

00:45:20.000 And she doesn't profess any kind of political allegiance.

00:45:25.000 So it's not really part of this false left-right paradigm or any of it.

00:45:29.000 Sounds interesting.

00:45:29.000 David, thanks for the call.

00:45:31.000 I'll check it out.

00:45:32.000 Thank you so much.

00:45:33.000 And I'll look for that article you just mentioned.

00:45:35.000 Please email it to me.

00:45:37.000 Let's talk to Alex in Louisiana.

00:45:39.000 Welcome, Alex.

00:45:40.000 Hi, Alex.

00:45:41.000 I got two quick points to make.

00:45:42.000 First, great interviews you had yesterday.

00:45:44.000 I'm glad you had Mr. Daniel Hostig on.

00:45:48.000 He has a lot of information and connects the dots.

00:45:50.000 So my question to you is, why do you think The leading hijackers were hanging around with all these drug dealers and foreign operatives and engaging in decadent parties.

00:45:59.000 Do you think they were trying to create a cover?

00:46:01.000 Or was it real and somehow these people were involved in 9-11?

00:46:06.000 Well, I mean, clearly we have hijackers trained at U.S.

00:46:10.000 military bases, that's admitted.

00:46:13.000 Clearly these guys were government operatives.

00:46:15.000 They thought, from the evidence I have, that they were part of a training drill Because, you know, James Woods, the actor, had seen Atta and four other guys on a plane doing hijack simulations, and Woods got on the plane and said, they're trying to hijack.

00:46:29.000 And the FBI said, we'll arrest you under national security if you tell anybody.

00:46:33.000 So we know that there was a drill going.

00:46:34.000 These Al-Qaeda operatives actually were government operatives.

00:46:38.000 They thought they were part of a drill.

00:46:40.000 Some could argue that they then hijacked themselves.

00:46:43.000 But why did NORAD stand down?

00:46:45.000 Why did all this happen?

00:46:47.000 So, all we know is the government knew and paid the hijackers.

00:46:52.000 Then you can argue about what happened once they were on board the aircraft.

00:46:59.000 Okay.

00:47:00.000 And second, I'm angry at the recent immigration booklet that the Mexican government published encouraging illegal immigration because, I mean, that is almost a direct act of war and the U.S.

00:47:10.000 government is doing absolutely nothing about it.

00:47:14.000 Well, can you imagine if Say France published a booklet on how to get illegal aliens into Germany and how to take Germany over. 0.53

00:47:28.000 Or if the Flemish put together a booklet about how to infiltrate France.

00:47:34.000 Yes, it is an act of war.

00:47:36.000 It is an act of prosecution of war.

00:47:41.000 But again, Wall Street wants this.

00:47:43.000 Wall Street wants to get rid of our borders, wants the Pan-American Union, and is actually spurring Mexico to do this.

00:47:50.000 Absolutely.

00:47:51.000 Talk about double standards, you know.

00:47:53.000 The government allows millions of illegals to come in and damage the economy and society at the same time placing Police state measures on its citizens to protect us against terrorism. 0.99

00:48:03.000 Well yeah, that's the thing.

00:48:04.000 We're going to have a yearly census now.

00:48:06.000 They're now admitting it.

00:48:07.000 Everything we do is going to be tracked and traced.

00:48:09.000 No freedoms.

00:48:09.000 Arrested for any reason.

00:48:11.000 Giant prisons are being built everywhere.

00:48:13.000 Accelerating this police state incarceration institutionalization grid.

00:48:19.000 And then the actual Homeland Security Bill Part 2 they just passed.

00:48:24.000 The Intelligence Reform Act as they called it.

00:48:27.000 In that baby, in this omnibus monster, they actually have part of the amnesty bill in there to make the states and cities accept fake ID cards from foreigners. 0.76

00:48:43.000 So good point, Alex.

00:48:44.000 Okay, thanks for taking my call.

00:48:46.000 You bet.

00:48:46.000 Take care.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, that's a good illustration he just made.

00:48:50.000 Let's talk to Richard in Ohio.

00:48:51.000 Richard, welcome.

00:48:52.000 Hey, Alex.

00:48:53.000 How are you doing today?

00:48:54.000 Good!

00:48:55.000 Hey, listen, your prior caller picked up, or left off, pick up.

00:48:59.000 In fact, I fetched you an outline of my book the other day, and the title of the book is, Supply-Side Economics, Globalization, the End of Capitalism and Democracy, a Corridor to 9-11.

00:49:12.000 And in the book, I use the evolution of the greatest generation, and I go from the year 45 through 75, and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically take And then comes technology around the year 1970.

00:49:42.000 Well, what really happened is they took the economic pie so they could socially engineer with that money.

00:49:49.000 Exactly.

00:49:50.000 And then now, this is the same thing we did in other countries, once they get us dependent, then they take the pie away.

00:49:58.000 Well, my point was that technology allowed the system, and I call it the system because it allowed the system to exploit another labor force.

00:50:10.000 When our companies were able to start going into Mexico, you know, technology, real-time information, the intranet, you know, that allowed the supply chain to, you know, come from another source... Yeah, well, to come from 50 places and then all be assembled somewhere else.

00:50:28.000 Well, yeah, and so as... And then another thing, too, is when you look at that generation, after World War II, the country was basically united.

00:50:39.000 and and with it all all the sacrifices that they had that they they occurred you know during world war ii the third depression that that it wasn't that the use that it wasn't the union it was the people behind the union there was nobody going to take whatever they thought that they had to show on the other the other side.

00:51:00.000 We'll be back, Richard.

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00:54:15.000 Alright, Richard, do me a favor.

00:54:19.000 Condense the economic theorem.

00:54:22.000 Okay, okay, I'll go through it real quick.

00:54:25.000 Yesterday's economy, all wealth, stimulation, creation and circulation, was done through the middle class by working in a factory. 0.84

00:54:34.000 Today, all wealth stimulation, creation, and circulation is done through the stock market and through the wealthy.

00:54:41.000 In 1980, there were 75 lobbyists in Washington.

00:54:46.000 Today, there are 30,000.

00:54:47.000 That's an accurate number.

00:54:52.000 I was going to say that.

00:54:55.000 And I'm going to send you a copy of the book.

00:54:58.000 That's 30,000 in Washington alone.

00:55:01.000 There's over 10,000 in Texas.

00:55:05.000 Here's what I say in the book.

00:55:10.000 We're 30 years into the global economy, and half the people in the world make less than $2 a day.

00:55:17.000 So I say that in this global economy, we're having sort of a labor revolt.

00:55:22.000 Well, what's happening is... Let me finish.

00:55:25.000 In representing the $2 a day laborers of Osama Bin Laden, we're not being attacked by Muslims.

00:55:31.000 Poverty creates extreme action.

00:55:35.000 Richard, I don't know how long you've been listening to this show.

00:55:38.000 Well, I used to live in Austin.

00:55:40.000 Let me just comment on something here.

00:55:42.000 You've been talking.

00:55:44.000 What's happening is the globalists are carrying out terror attacks As a pretext to go after the third world that they call the gap.

00:55:55.000 And the Pentagon admits, quote, we work for Wall Street.

00:56:00.000 We're taking over the third world. 1.00

00:56:02.000 So this line that we hear from certain quarters that, oh, you know, this is the third world striking back.

00:56:10.000 That's what the globalists would like you to believe.

00:56:13.000 The globalists want an excuse to go in the third world countries they don't control and labor markets they don't control and physically dominate them. 0.81

00:56:21.000 Oh, of course, of course, of course.

00:56:23.000 And what I say in the book is that when Clinton... See, I'm not against trade.

00:56:27.000 When Clinton signed those trade agreements, if you were to put human worker rights stipulations into those agreements... Yeah, exactly. 0.52

00:56:35.000 Listen, I've got to let you go.

00:56:37.000 It's a race to the bottom because The place with the worst human rights and the greatest levels of slavery, like China, that's what's going to become preeminent. 0.99

00:56:47.000 And so, by setting up the economic system where slavery is honored and slavery excels, you then set up an economic climate where slavery spreads.

00:57:01.000 And the middle class disappears, and you have a giant underclass with a small ruling elite who are not free market ruling over the population.

00:57:11.000 But good points, Richard.

00:57:12.000 Call me back some other time.

00:57:13.000 We'll talk more about it.

00:57:14.000 I'll try to read that.

00:57:16.000 I saw your fax.

00:57:17.000 I'll try to read that.

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00:59:13.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're now into hour number two on this Thursday, the 13th day of January 05, yesterday.

00:59:30.000 Yes, we've made it well into 05 now, my friends.

00:59:35.000 And there is so much news and information I want to talk about with our esteemed guest, Colonel Craig Roberts, best-selling author of One Shot One Kill, a Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, also a colonel, of course, in the Army.

00:59:50.000 Worked in Army Intelligence, helicopter pilot, SWAT team officer in the police department, did detective work on Oklahoma City.

00:59:59.000 Quite a renaissance man when it comes to the security services and the military.

01:00:05.000 And we haven't had him on, well we had him on a few months ago for a little while just to pop in, but I hadn't had Craig on in about six months for several hours.

01:00:13.000 And I know a lot of you are glad to hear him back on the show.

01:00:17.000 There's a bunch of news.

01:00:18.000 I want to talk about the war in Iraq.

01:00:20.000 I know you can't say too much because you could be called up to active duty anytime.

01:00:25.000 You're pretty much a young'un compared to some of the guys who are 75 years old getting called back up into advisory capacities.

01:00:33.000 It's good to have you on with us, Craig.

01:00:34.000 I also want to talk about Oklahoma City.

01:00:36.000 I'm always glad to be back, Alex.

01:00:38.000 A lot has happened.

01:00:42.000 First off, they've announced that they may not just make the National Guard stay in Iraq for two years, now they're talking about four years, but all the military science says that The average person can't handle more than a tour of combat.

01:00:56.000 Eleven months.

01:00:57.000 How do you make people stay in combat for four years, Colonel?

01:01:00.000 Well, they won't do that.

01:01:02.000 I mean, there'll be people who'll do, like we did in Vietnam. 0.99

01:01:06.000 A few people did two tours.

01:01:08.000 A very small number did three, but they were mostly requesting to go back or volunteered when they were asked.

01:01:15.000 Two tours is not unusual.

01:01:16.000 Depends on how long the tour is.

01:01:17.000 Now, if you're talking about a six-month tour, two of those is only a year.

01:01:20.000 I did a year in Vietnam.

01:01:23.000 If you're talking about year-long tours, two tours is about as much as anybody can stand.

01:01:27.000 It's a much more far-reaching problem than that, besides the psychological effect.

01:01:33.000 Well, let's talk about the psychological effect for a minute.

01:01:35.000 You have different types of people.

01:01:37.000 You've got people who can take it and look forward to it, and it's the adrenaline rush, and the adventure, and this is something I'm doing with my life.

01:01:44.000 Then you have people who, they want to be home, and they want to deal with their family, raise the kids, and work in a cubicle, or sell shoes to women at the mall, and that's their objective in life.

01:01:53.000 You put those types of people in the same combat scenario you put the first group in, You're going to have some problem areas because these guys don't want to be there to begin with.

01:02:02.000 They'll do their job.

01:02:03.000 They'll do it well.

01:02:04.000 But when they're done, they want to go to the house.

01:02:06.000 They don't want to be called back over and over again.

01:02:08.000 And a lot of those people are the kind of people we find in the Guard and the Reserves.

01:02:12.000 Now, when you start using the hometown Guard and Reserves, the way that they're being used now is as regular forces.

01:02:19.000 And there are some other things that are happening, too, Alex.

01:02:22.000 They're also not treating the Garden Reserves the same they do the active forces.

01:02:26.000 I have witnessed this myself on numerous occasions when I've been on active duty.

01:02:30.000 The Garden Reserves are treated like amateurs or stepchildren or wannabes or weekend warriors.

01:02:35.000 Well, they're certainly not wannabes now, telling them clear 20 houses a day.

01:02:42.000 Well, no, they're not.

01:02:43.000 But the thing about it is, guess what?

01:02:44.000 They're not getting the same benefits.

01:02:45.000 They're not getting the same retirement package.

01:02:47.000 They're not getting the same promises.

01:02:49.000 They're not getting the same chow and quarters and so on in a lot of areas that the regular troops are because the regular officer corps at the general ranks are all regulars, most of them West Point grads or Annapolis or whatever, and they're going to take care of the regular forces and they're going to use the reserves any way they want.

01:03:07.000 Now what they did during the first Bush and then the end of the Clinton administration, Was they relegated most of your support and rear echelon activities to Guard and Reserves and most of your combat division activities to the regular military.

01:03:19.000 Well then they got themselves in a trick box because now they're in situations like Afghanistan and... Stay there! 1.00

01:03:25.000 I want to talk about this when we get back for a few minutes.

01:03:30.000 Then I want to get into Oklahoma City and a bunch of other issues.

01:03:32.000 But this is important, folks.

01:03:35.000 Because the new Rumsfeld memo is saying, yes, we're losing.

01:03:38.000 We're losing.

01:03:42.000 So their answer is a greater iron fist.

01:03:45.000 So we'll talk about a bunch of different issues concerning the war and then we'll get into some other news.

01:03:50.000 Stay with us.

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01:07:00.000 Alright, we're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts.

01:07:12.000 And Craig, you were continuing to talk about these latest memos that came out.

01:07:18.000 Then we're going to get into Oklahoma City and a bunch of other police state issues, but We were talking about how they're now not just going to have the National Guard in for two years' active duty.

01:07:27.000 They're talking about four years, perhaps indefinite.

01:07:31.000 We were talking about the different psychological effects of this fatigue.

01:07:34.000 I mean, this has not been done before in modern history.

01:07:37.000 Even in World War II, you had to fly 22 missions, but then that was it unless you volunteered for more, and few did over Europe.

01:07:47.000 Take Vietnam, where you were, or Korea. 0.91

01:07:49.000 You only had to be there for 11 12 months.

01:07:53.000 But break this down for us.

01:07:56.000 Go over what this means and your whole assessment of what's happening in Iraq.

01:08:02.000 Well, again, what we're running into psychologically is a situation that people weren't prepared for when they enlisted in the reserves and the guardians.

01:08:11.000 Yes, they understand that if you have a war, your job is to put the uniform on, pack your sea bag, and go deal with it for however long it takes, whether it's one year, three years, a duration, or whatever.

01:08:22.000 But they weren't prepared to deal with something like this where they get deployed in third world nations on a foreign legion type operation where You know, they're taken out of their hometown.

01:08:35.000 They're taken away from their jobs.

01:08:36.000 In a small town, you can destroy the entire infrastructure of the town because you take the key personnel out.

01:08:41.000 You take the young guys who are working, and you pull them out. 0.95

01:08:44.000 You leave the families home without Dad and so on, and they end up overseas.

01:08:49.000 Well, this is fine, but when you keep doing it over and over and over, where they can't plan their lives, then you've got a problem, because psychologically, they're thinking of other things, too.

01:08:57.000 They're not only thinking about, I've got to go to war, and it's dangerous.

01:09:00.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:09:00.000 That's a given.

01:09:02.000 I have to leave my family.

01:09:04.000 We understand that's a given to a point, but then it gets to the point that while I'm gone, what happens at home?

01:09:09.000 Who's going to take care of things?

01:09:11.000 What if somebody gets sick?

01:09:12.000 And all my friends that I went to school with, all my neighbors who didn't go in the military, they're sitting at home right now.

01:09:19.000 They're getting the promotions, they're getting the education, they're getting the foot up the ladder, and I'm on hold over here.

01:09:24.000 So there's a lot of other things that people don't mention that the DOD doesn't even think about that these guys are going through.

01:09:30.000 Plus, we're depleting our reserves.

01:09:33.000 The enlistment rate in the Reserves and Guards is going to go down.

01:09:35.000 That's going to hurt us in the future.

01:09:37.000 But you and I both know there's a higher agenda at work here as well.

01:09:40.000 And I think that agenda is that if we send all of our people overseas, there's no one home to watch the chickens.

01:09:46.000 And that falls back over to Barry McGaffrey's deal of when he gave the graduation speech to the Cascade class up in Fort Leavenworth, that if we get deployed overseas on two or more fronts, And I'm paraphrasing here, that should a national emergency occur at home where we need our military, we will be forced to call upon foreign assets.

01:10:07.000 Now, foreign assets, obviously, is UN troops.

01:10:10.000 Now, the biggest problem I've got with this whole scenario is, we're not conducting the war in Iraq on a tactical, sense properly.

01:10:21.000 If we did, we would take the stuff we learned in Vietnam, we would go into places like we did in Fallujah. 0.99

01:10:25.000 We could go into Kordanoff areas of Baghdad or Moselle or any of these places.

01:10:29.000 And we could go house to house and we could get the guns and we could get the bombs and we could stop this stuff.

01:10:33.000 Another thing we could do is we could stop the casualties.

01:10:35.000 It was very simple.

01:10:36.000 I recommended to our congressman a year ago, get the Humvees off the roads.

01:10:40.000 Forget the Humvee armor.

01:10:42.000 Don't waste the money.

01:10:42.000 Somebody's making money on this deal.

01:10:44.000 We've got a thousand M113 armored personnel carriers sitting around in storage ready to go that are a hundred times better than a Humvee.

01:10:52.000 But that's for domestic use.

01:10:54.000 Well, even so.

01:10:57.000 The thing about it is, we didn't get any answers.

01:10:59.000 We didn't get any answers back when we asked for them to at least consider doing this.

01:11:03.000 Then we asked through the Congressman's office.

01:11:05.000 I work for this Congressman.

01:11:07.000 And we asked, why aren't we protecting our southern border?

01:11:10.000 If you want to use the reserves and National Guard, let's go out and let's do six months on the border.

01:11:15.000 Let's stop the illegal aliens coming across because we're not worried about the Mexicans. 1.00

01:11:18.000 We're worried about who they're bringing with them.

01:11:20.000 We know, and I've got friends on Border Patrol down there, who have gone into houses, abandoned houses.

01:11:25.000 Farmers have just given up and left.

01:11:26.000 They said, I can't even live here anymore.

01:11:28.000 And they've gone into these abandoned houses and these ranches, and they found prayer rugs, and they found Korans, and they found notebooks all in Islamic.

01:11:36.000 You know, these aren't people coming over here to pick fruit.

01:11:38.000 These are terrorists.

01:11:39.000 They're coming across the border.

01:11:40.000 So if we're going to fight the war on terror, why aren't we starting doing it here?

01:11:43.000 See, so these questions aren't being answered.

01:11:45.000 And the more we ask, all we get is silence.

01:11:49.000 But let's go back to... I mean, it's not just not sending your family.

01:11:52.000 I mean, you were on a SWAT team.

01:11:55.000 You were in Vietnam.

01:11:56.000 You've been on both sides of this.

01:11:58.000 Sending people in four days a week to raid hundreds of homes a week And to go into these houses, to do these raids, I mean, this is serious combat, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

01:12:16.000 All the statistics and studies show that is totally exhausting, and most people can't handle that.

01:12:22.000 Well, you can't if you just continue to do it.

01:12:24.000 You can't just leave your flashlight on and expect the batteries to last forever.

01:12:27.000 It's not going to happen.

01:12:28.000 You've got to get people out of those situations and rotate fresh troops through.

01:12:32.000 But we run into a paradigm here.

01:12:34.000 It's kind of a conundrum.

01:12:36.000 If we take the experienced guys out...

01:12:38.000 What happens is there's a bell curve.

01:12:40.000 When you first get into combat, you're in the learning curve.

01:12:42.000 So the first, say, half of the time you're there, you're learning how to protect yourself and your buddies and fight the battle.

01:12:48.000 And the second half of the time there, you lose less casualties because you guys are veterans now.

01:12:53.000 But you have the new guys coming in and the people who get hurt most normally are the new people because they're the ones that make the mistakes because they haven't learned yet.

01:13:00.000 And you've got to have a certain amount of veterans there to teach these guys their survival skills in combat.

01:13:05.000 You actually develop A sixth sense.

01:13:07.000 I call it jungle sense. 0.93

01:13:09.000 When I was in Vietnam, we got to where, after about six months of being in the bush, we got to where I could tell you, Alex, if we were on a patrol, that there was a tripwire 25 yards ahead, or there was a punji pad pit off to the side of the road, I could tell you if there was a sniper in the treeline over there, because the hair would just stand up in the back of my neck, and I just knew it.

01:13:26.000 It was like this sixth sense.

01:13:28.000 You know, you go in a restaurant, and you know as well as I do, being a personality, you sit down, you know when somebody's staring at you, and you don't have to look at them.

01:13:35.000 Well, you turn around and they're looking at you.

01:13:37.000 Right.

01:13:37.000 Or you automatically look up and they're looking at you.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, but you know it before you ever look that you're being watched.

01:13:43.000 And that's the same type of sixth sense that people develop in combat or police officers develop in the field.

01:13:48.000 They can get out of a car and they start to walk up to a car and they know something's wrong.

01:13:52.000 Something's wrong with that car.

01:13:53.000 I think the guy's got a gun.

01:13:54.000 Rookies get killed because they haven't developed that yet. 1.00

01:13:57.000 Same thing on rookies in combat.

01:13:58.000 Until they get geared and psychologically prepared and plus gain experience, they make mistakes.

01:14:06.000 And the thing about it is, you usually get, like, I've got friends over there that have gotten hurt.

01:14:09.000 The guy's a Master Sergeant.

01:14:10.000 Okay?

01:14:11.000 The mistake was made by his PFC driver.

01:14:14.000 Not him.

01:14:14.000 He was trying to tell them not to do something, they did it, and they both got blown up.

01:14:18.000 And they didn't get killed, but they were pretty seriously injured because the young guy made the mistake, not the old guy.

01:14:25.000 So we do need some veterans over there, but we don't need everybody to stay there all the time and be worn down to where we have no military left.

01:14:34.000 That's just a waste of... Let me stop you, and I understand that you're... You could be called up any time, so you have to be careful about what you say, but they're having whole groups of troops now quit And then the media goes and looks at it, and it's true, where half their guns don't work.

01:14:53.000 And they're saying, well, it doesn't matter.

01:14:55.000 We're sending you back, and it doesn't matter if your gun is failing half the time you shoot it.

01:15:01.000 Or, we don't care.

01:15:04.000 Now, that's gotta be a major problem.

01:15:06.000 This is where the cover-ups happen. 0.98

01:15:09.000 The prime example of this was the M16, which I still consider to be a piece of junk.

01:15:13.000 And guys will argue with me about that, but they didn't carry the M14 like I did, which was a real rifle.

01:15:18.000 When we got to Vietnam, we had the M14.

01:15:20.000 We had zero failure rate.

01:15:22.000 We had maximum accuracy out to 500 meters and beyond.

01:15:26.000 They never jammed.

01:15:27.000 They worked real well, just like the M1. 0.99

01:15:28.000 All they were was a modified M1 that shot 7.62mm instead of .30-06, and they had an exposed barrel and a 20-round magazine.

01:15:36.000 Basically, it was an M1.

01:15:37.000 It was a .308 instead of a .30-06.

01:15:39.000 Right, right.

01:15:40.000 7.62, .308.

01:15:42.000 They came in 67 and started issuing the AR-15, which later became the M-16.

01:15:48.000 Well, they made several mistakes.

01:15:49.000 The government bureaucrats got in there and they tinkered around with the powder and they did this and they did that.

01:15:53.000 But they basically sent a mouse gun to war.

01:15:56.000 And it was a total failure.

01:15:58.000 It got people killed.

01:15:59.000 There were Marines in Hill 881 and 881 South that were found dead on the side of the hill assaulting this mountain with field-stripped weapons trying to unjam them.

01:16:10.000 And, uh, so, a friend of mine was involved in an investigation on this.

01:16:13.000 He's the one that reported it, investigated it, and says, we gotta do something, get this thing off the battlefield until it's fixed, or get it out of here and give us our M-14s back.

01:16:20.000 This was in the Marine Corps.

01:16:22.000 It got up about two levels in command and got roadblocked.

01:16:25.000 And, uh, the more they tried to fight it, the more they were told, you'll ruin your career if you, you know, uh, do anything about this.

01:16:32.000 So just go, be quiet, it'll be fixed, don't worry about it.

01:16:34.000 Well, while it's being fixed, I'm losing Marines over here. 0.94

01:16:37.000 And, so, as an example, what they did, is my friend made major and then he was forced to retire.

01:16:44.000 In the Marine Corps, most officers can make major.

01:16:47.000 To make lieutenant colonel, you better have all your ducks in a row and not have any black marks and get a little gold star again.

01:16:53.000 And so...

01:16:54.000 Because it's a very small organization compared to the Army.

01:16:56.000 The Army is almost as bad politically as well because you don't make waves.

01:17:00.000 Well, come to find out, in the case of the M16, instead of having rifles that were built by subcontractors scattered all over the country like all of our other weapons had been built by, Colt Firearms had bought the whole thing from Armalite.

01:17:15.000 And so Colt Firearms was the sole manufacturer for the first time in American history of all infantry weapons.

01:17:20.000 Colt Firearms just happened to be in the pocket of a guy named Robert McNamara who was Secretary of Defense.

01:17:28.000 Bell Helicopters, same type of issue.

01:17:29.000 We had helicopters over there getting shot down right and left and getting replaced right and left.

01:17:33.000 We lost 6,000 helicopters all together in Vietnam.

01:17:36.000 And it was 90% of them being made by Bell Helicopter Textron, which was a part of the trust of Lyndon Baines' Johnson wife, Lady Bird.

01:17:45.000 So when we start getting up and finding out that we're not allowed to fix the stuff that's broken, I look real hard at who's making the money here.

01:17:53.000 The Humvees.

01:17:54.000 Who's making the money off the Humvees?

01:17:55.000 Well, I've read that even if you armor them, it doesn't protect them, that it's not meant to be in combat.

01:18:01.000 No, you know, that's like trying to armor a duck.

01:18:05.000 You know, it's a Jeep.

01:18:06.000 Give me a break here.

01:18:07.000 This thing was, it's a horrible piece of equipment.

01:18:09.000 It's too big to go in the woods and go off the road very far.

01:18:13.000 It's okay out in the deserts for hauling a lot of gear, and yeah, it's got a lot of neat whistles and bells.

01:18:17.000 Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger likes it.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, so does half the Hollywood limo services now.

01:18:23.000 But that doesn't make it a good vehicle.

01:18:24.000 It replaced the M151 and a few other trucks, but the M151 was a small, like a jeep, where you could actually go through the woods.

01:18:31.000 I had a reconnaissance platoon.

01:18:33.000 We had 12 of them, where they had machine guns mounted in the back on pedestals.

01:18:36.000 We could drive those things anywhere, but they ran on gas and not diesel fuel, and so that was a strike against them, because the military wanted to go to diesel fuel and multi-fuel.

01:18:45.000 Well, stop there.

01:18:46.000 I want to come back.

01:18:47.000 Colonel, I want to come back and shift gears into Oklahoma City.

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01:23:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:23:08.000 Alright, I've got a whole host of issues that I want to talk about with my good friend Craig Roberts.

01:23:15.000 And I know you want to get involved on air.

01:23:16.000 We've got callers still holding from the last hour.

01:23:18.000 We'll get to you in the next segment.

01:23:20.000 I appreciate you holding.

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01:23:24.000 Craig's website is riflewarrior.com.

01:23:27.000 I'll tell you more about that a little bit later.

01:23:30.000 Craig, I want to talk about Oklahoma City because you really are an expert on this.

01:23:36.000 And I've interviewed probably 50 people on the subject, but you work the case.

01:23:41.000 You've got basically the same views that I've got from the evidence.

01:23:44.000 Clearly a government bombing.

01:23:46.000 Clearly government involvement.

01:23:49.000 That is criminal elements of the Clinton administration.

01:23:53.000 And now we've got American Free Press reporting on something that you covered years ago, but they've even got more government documents now.

01:24:00.000 OKC bombshell implicates feds in Murrah Blast, and I covered this yesterday with Pat Shannon.

01:24:07.000 The reason I'm covering it again today is because Oklahoma City is even a clearer inside job than September 11th.

01:24:15.000 And it really shows us with their pants down what they're up to.

01:24:21.000 And I want to specifically get into Harry Everhart, this high-level BATF individual assigned to the National Security Council, and tell folks about this.

01:24:33.000 Well, I don't have a whole lot on Everhart other than the fact that on day one, everybody has to understand, and you see it all the time, Anytime something happens on the news, the only good information you get is day one, hour one.

01:24:52.000 And then after that, key items in the news disappear or they get glossed over or explained away to where by day two, it's not even the same story anymore.

01:25:01.000 Uh, you know, TW800, prime deal.

01:25:04.000 On day one, it was a terrorist event, it was a missile, and by day three, they didn't know what it was, and eventually it was a center fuel tank, and the plane decided to blow itself up, one day committed suicide.

01:25:13.000 Uh, Oklahoma City, on day one, there's so many things that happened, just in the first three to four hours.

01:25:20.000 Well, in the first three minutes, BATF runs up and says, we were told not to go in the building.

01:25:24.000 That's the first thing that happened.

01:25:26.000 And the guy that doesn't even live in Oklahoma City, who's part of a National Security Council secret drill doing truck bombs out in the desert, is there and phones it into the media, going, it's an AMFO bomb.

01:25:36.000 Pretty suspicious.

01:25:37.000 There's two, there's two things that, well, actually there's several things that happened exactly at the same time, right?

01:25:41.000 At 9.02 and 9.03, 9.04 area of that morning of the 19th of April of 95.

01:25:47.000 One of the things that happened, Well, just before the Ryder truck shows up out front.

01:25:54.000 Of course, the Ryder truck, for those that haven't followed this, was the Red Herring.

01:25:59.000 The Ryder truck was, this is what did it.

01:26:01.000 This is the Lee Harvey McVeigh truck.

01:26:04.000 Carcano found in the bookstore.

01:26:06.000 This is going to build our case, and we'll pin it on whoever we need to later.

01:26:10.000 When in actual fact we all know now, and we knew then, that there were other explosive charges already inside the building that had gone off before the truck was detonated.

01:26:20.000 We have since tracked down some of the people that were involved in placing those charges according to eyewitnesses.

01:26:27.000 But yet the federal government doesn't want to talk about it.

01:26:28.000 They don't want to even hear about it.

01:26:29.000 They're doing the three monkey routine.

01:26:32.000 At the same time, at 902 and 903, right afterwards, the explosion goes off, and right afterwards, there were people who showed up wearing black SWAT uniforms that we were told were ATF guys.

01:26:46.000 And then we were told that ATF wasn't in the building that day.

01:26:49.000 And we were told that, no, there were some ATF in the building that day.

01:26:52.000 And I'm on the law enforcement end of this deal, and we're getting these stories.

01:26:55.000 We have several different vehicle descriptions.

01:26:59.000 One was a brown GMC pickup leaving the scene high rate of speed with two to three Middle Eastern males in it wearing blue jogging suits that had left the front door of the building that had held the parking place for the Ryder truck.

01:27:08.000 But the FBI doesn't want to hear about that by day three.

01:27:12.000 We've got the Eberhardt story now that's coming out.

01:27:16.000 That he was involved in calling in that it was an ANFO bomb?

01:27:22.000 Well, when this thing first went off, guess what, Alex?

01:27:25.000 For the first 20 minutes, it wasn't a bombing.

01:27:27.000 For the first 20 minutes here in Oklahoma, that never got outside of the state, you may be hearing this here for the first time, it was a natural gas explosion.

01:27:35.000 I was sitting in a barber chair and saw it within a minute of it going off.

01:27:39.000 They had cameras pointed in Oklahoma City toward it.

01:27:41.000 Here's this giant black column of smoke going up.

01:27:44.000 And I saw a helicopter fly by.

01:27:45.000 I later found out it was the police helicopter.

01:27:47.000 That's your black helicopter, by the way, that flew over the building.

01:27:50.000 It flew over just right afterwards because as soon as it went off, they were dispatched to see what it was and check on traffic control.

01:27:56.000 I talked to the pilot myself.

01:27:59.000 So it was a natural gas explosion for 20 minutes.

01:28:01.000 So all of a sudden, 20 minutes later, no, it was a car bomb.

01:28:05.000 And somebody down there said, no, that's too big for a car bomb.

01:28:09.000 So then, now the FBI by now is on the scene.

01:28:11.000 And they're saying, and the ATF as well, has all of a sudden started showing up from home.

01:28:15.000 And it goes into a station wagon, then a truck, and it just kept growing in size over the next day or so.

01:28:23.000 Stay there.

01:28:23.000 We'll talk about it when we get back.

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01:31:50.000 I hope that Colonel Roberts can stay with us into the next hour.

01:32:04.000 We're going to have Jack McClam on as well. - I've got a bunch of news issues and key information I want to go over, but your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes at 1-800-259-9231.

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01:32:18.000 For those that just joined us, a high-level FBI agent, Danny Colson, said that he was in Dallas on April 19th, 1995, and told Newsweek and Time Magazine this, and said, oh, I didn't take a plane, I decided to drive up there.

01:32:35.000 Thank you.

01:32:37.000 Because, again, he didn't have a record of how he really got there.

01:32:40.000 Then it turns out with the hotel receipts, he was really there the night before.

01:32:44.000 And so he was there to direct things and get the official story out.

01:32:49.000 But then on top of it, we have Harry Everhart.

01:32:54.000 And he witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of info.

01:33:05.000 He did this within 10 minutes.

01:33:07.000 He was part of a secret and Congress has now released this.

01:33:10.000 This is public.

01:33:12.000 Part of a secret National Security Council set of drills and tests they did practicing blowing up cars, trucks, and vans out in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months preceding the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:33:29.000 Now imagine, he doesn't live in Oklahoma.

01:33:31.000 He's there, on the scene, there, when it blows up and calls it in to the BATF, who then calls it in to the media and, oh, it's an AMFO bomb.

01:33:42.000 Now, think of the chances of that.

01:33:45.000 Why is Danny Colson, this high-level FBI agent, over anti-terrorism operations?

01:33:50.000 Why is he there and then lying about being there?

01:33:54.000 Why is all this happening and going on?

01:33:56.000 And I would add to this, Colonel Roberts, on 9-11 we have National Security Council doing a CIA-controlled drill of flying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.

01:34:07.000 NORAD is told it's a drill, air traffic controllers in the civilian area say, is this a drill?

01:34:13.000 They think it's part of the drill.

01:34:16.000 Vigilant Guardian and Tripod and all of these.

01:34:20.000 Putin.

01:34:20.000 Same thing.

01:34:21.000 They blow up three apartment buildings in 99 to get martial law going and to attack the Chechens. 1.00

01:34:27.000 Moscow police in a sting catch FSB planting bombs, heterogen bombs, in a fourth apartment building and then Putin goes, oh it was just a drill.

01:34:35.000 So it looks to me like they are always doing these drills over the operation because it's Highly compartmentalized and specialized in case other law enforcement breaks through the wall or citizens report it and they get busted.

01:34:51.000 Give us your analysis of this.

01:34:53.000 Well, looking at that part as the author of the Medusa file, as an investigative journalist, the questions I would be looking at on that, and I think the answer would be that if you and I were going to plan to do something Then we would be able to plan a cover for it as well, that if the actual operation failed, and we got caught in it, we could say, well, it was just a drill.

01:35:17.000 We were just practicing.

01:35:18.000 Here's the documentation.

01:35:19.000 We've been planning this for a year.

01:35:21.000 And I think that what it is, it's a fallback position.

01:35:23.000 It's also a false flag.

01:35:24.000 And it also muddies the water later on if everything goes well.

01:35:27.000 They'd say, well, gee, we were just ahead of our time.

01:35:29.000 We were thinking about what was going to happen.

01:35:32.000 And, gee, it did.

01:35:33.000 Isn't that a coincidence?

01:35:34.000 The problem is, how many coincidences in a row do you need before you realize something else is afoot here?

01:35:39.000 Well, why would Danny Colson lie and say he was in Dallas when it's now admitted he was in Oklahoma?

01:35:45.000 Well, he was probably told to.

01:35:48.000 I mean, if he was in Oklahoma, he could have come up with a story that he was there for a meeting.

01:35:52.000 So what?

01:35:53.000 But if you say you're in Dallas, why did they not want him in Oklahoma?

01:35:57.000 Uh, as far as the official version.

01:35:58.000 But what's the chances, what's the chances of having somebody who lives in New York City being there outside the building when the bomb goes off, who ran the test for a National Security Council, uh, drill, uh, I mean what's the chances of that, Craig?

01:36:14.000 Slim and probably nil.

01:36:16.000 Uh, I would, that's a heck of a lead.

01:36:19.000 And that's another one of the unanswered questions.

01:36:23.000 Well, I mean, you say you don't know much about this character, but you were the first person, years and years and years ago, who talked about the government drill blowing up the trucks.

01:36:33.000 Well, yeah, and we knew that that had been going on, and they were trying to figure out how much it would take to cause certain amounts of blast damage at a certain radius using different types of explosives, and one of them was ammonium nitrate fertilizer soaked with diesel fuel or whatever in the back of a moving van.

01:36:49.000 And they filmed it, and I think it was even on one of the TV magazine shows.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, they had a Discovery Channel show about it, yeah.

01:36:56.000 But when it was brought to their attention by bomb experts, that that truck doing that according to their own data could not have done this damage to the Murrah Building, all of a sudden that story evaporated.

01:37:07.000 Because what they tried to do is they tried to use that to show that McVeigh and this truck did this damage, and here we experimented out in the desert, and you can see how big of an explosion this is.

01:37:16.000 But when they actually analyzed the blast damage coefficient, in other words, the shockwave dissipates as it goes out through the air.

01:37:23.000 It would actually carry better underwater than it would through the air.

01:37:26.000 Then they found out that the architecture of the Murr building could have withstood it.

01:37:31.000 So, you know, it would have blown some windows out about all.

01:37:34.000 Well, the problem with that is now what do we do that we show that it can't happen?

01:37:38.000 So that whole story disappeared.

01:37:39.000 Well, here's another example.

01:37:40.000 They've got all the different giant 18-wheeler tractor trailers full of plastic explosives parked right up against buildings and all it does is blow the face off of them.

01:37:50.000 Well, look at the Kovar Towers.

01:37:51.000 And that was my key point at one of the FBI meetings I went to.

01:37:54.000 I stood there in front of a whole room full of guys and I said, hey, I know none of you have any experience in explosives, but let me just give you an example that you can understand.

01:38:03.000 Here are the pictures of the Murrah Building with what's supposed to be ammonium nitrate, which is low-order explosives.

01:38:09.000 It's concussive, but it doesn't have a lot of presence.

01:38:13.000 It's pushed, it dissipates.

01:38:15.000 Right.

01:38:16.000 I was trying to say that and probably didn't do it well.

01:38:20.000 Sometimes I get too technical, but if you look at the Kovar Towers, they drive up with a tanker truck Full of Semtex, which is basically C4, which is plastic explosives, which is a high explosive like Detcord.

01:38:32.000 Doesn't it have like 5 times the yield of ammonium nitrate?

01:38:36.000 Oh, probably about 15 times the yield.

01:38:39.000 And they put it right up in front of the building.

01:38:41.000 They set it off.

01:38:42.000 It puts an 80 foot crater in the ground.

01:38:44.000 It's 15 feet deep and 30 feet wide.

01:38:46.000 And all it did was blow the front of the facade of the building off.

01:38:50.000 Opened up some of the rooms.

01:38:51.000 Didn't even rearrange the furniture.

01:38:53.000 And hardly, I don't know if anybody even got hurt in the thing.

01:38:56.000 This giant explosive went off, and that's all it did, to a building made in Saudi Arabia with poor concrete, very little reinforcing, mostly sandcast, and then you put that up against the Murrah Building, you know, this dog just doesn't hunt.

01:39:15.000 Well, plus you have the building blown out, columns further back, blasted off with clean blast points, and General Partin did an examination just of the photos, and it's like, here's the blast points.

01:39:26.000 Well, yeah, you could find them on the columns.

01:39:27.000 That's why they got rid of the building so quickly.

01:39:28.000 They didn't want experts coming in there looking at the columns.

01:39:31.000 You've got Jane Graham, who says she saw Andrea Strassmeyer.

01:39:34.000 She saw some guy named Gary Lewis, I think was his name, and she identified him, picked him out of photos, said, these are the guys I saw in the building.

01:39:41.000 And she was the head of HUD in the building. 0.89

01:39:43.000 Yeah.

01:39:45.000 What they were wearing.

01:39:46.000 Strassmeyer had on a black cowboy suit and black cowboy boots and a hat.

01:39:51.000 And they had a grocery bag and they were going around putting putty on the columns and stringing wire.

01:39:56.000 She said gray butter.

01:39:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 And I interviewed her extensively and she described something along the lines of C4 or Semtex.

01:40:07.000 Some type of plastic explosive.

01:40:08.000 She thought they were putting up a temporary telephone line between the columns.

01:40:11.000 And when they saw her, they threw the stuff in the back of the station wagon and took off.

01:40:15.000 We have flashlights in the building the night before while surveillance is being held on the building.

01:40:21.000 They've got flashlights going around inside the building the night before at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning.

01:40:26.000 That's right, there's surveillance on the building because people are going to federal courthouses and places like Denver and they're going to blow the Murrow building up in the next month.

01:40:34.000 Oh, there's no doubt there was surveillance on the building that day.

01:40:36.000 You've got guys who witnessed people coming out on the sidewalk and holding hoops over their head like hula hoops and turning around like they're trying to do directional finding on a tracking device.

01:40:45.000 All this stuff is going on the night before.

01:40:47.000 In that morning, you've got, and I saw the photograph myself in court, you've got a UPS truck that drives up to the front of the building and does a delivery and then drives off, and you've got the two guys in blue jogging suits that run out and hold the parking place for McVeigh to drive up in and you've got the two guys in blue jogging suits that run out and hold the parking place for McVeigh to drive up in front of because he's parked a block okay I saw the surveillance photograph of the UPS truck parked in front of the building just before nine o'clock.

01:41:17.000 And again, Colonel Roberts, you don't just wander in the federal buildings planting explosives unless you're authorized.

01:41:25.000 Well, either that or you've got really terrible security.

01:41:27.000 But go back to what I just said, because it always goes over everybody's head.

01:41:30.000 I saw the surveillance photographs.

01:41:33.000 They were taken from an Oklahoma County Sheriff's stakeout car of that building prior to the Ryder truck arriving.

01:41:40.000 That means they had it staked out, which means Key was right.

01:41:43.000 The government had foreknowledge.

01:41:46.000 Well, absolutely, that's admitted.

01:41:48.000 Now, I mean, but, so this doesn't go over people's heads. 1.00

01:41:51.000 And I'm not being like, oh, folks, you're stupid. 1.00

01:41:53.000 I mean, so we, so this really burns into our brains. 0.99

01:41:57.000 We've got this high-level BATF officer assigned to the National Security Council, there, who's been doing a test, blowing up truck bombs, in the year before this, there, doesn't live there, on the scene, and he's the guy that calls the government and the media saying it's an AMFO bomb. 0.81

01:42:17.000 I mean, that is ridiculous, folks. 0.96

01:42:19.000 If you can't see what that means, you're blind. 0.95

01:42:22.000 Well, especially when they hadn't even decided it was a natural gas explosion yet.

01:42:26.000 So you had to have a premeditated story.

01:42:29.000 You know, you had to have your storyline already written down and studied.

01:42:32.000 How do they get people in government to do stuff like this?

01:42:35.000 I mean, I guess they're just criminals to begin with?

01:42:37.000 I mean, this is just, this is so cold-blooded that, that, that, that, I mean, how many children died in that daycare center?

01:42:44.000 Well, I don't know, there was 168 altogether.

01:42:47.000 Fifty-something children, I think.

01:42:49.000 But, I mean, this is the thing.

01:42:50.000 The BATF admittedly wasn't in the building.

01:42:52.000 They told police, and firemen, I've got them in my film, Road to Tyranny.

01:42:56.000 This is months after.

01:42:57.000 You know, it isn't like it was just a story that day going out.

01:42:59.000 The BATF came up two minutes after in bomb gear and said, oh, we were told not to go into the building.

01:43:04.000 You know, I could write a book just on Oklahoma City and just the title of it would be Lies.

01:43:09.000 Because we ran into so many lies on the government side of the house.

01:43:13.000 But how do these guys kill children?

01:43:15.000 I mean, I just...

01:43:17.000 I just don't understand that.

01:43:19.000 What's wrong with these people?

01:43:21.000 Well, whoever was behind this has no compunctions whatsoever.

01:43:24.000 You and I talked about this in an earlier show.

01:43:26.000 We kept going up the ladder to the chain of command, and we finally got to the top, and Satan's in charge.

01:43:31.000 So we're really talking about evil.

01:43:32.000 And you mention this all the time.

01:43:34.000 You talk about pure evil exists, and it does.

01:43:36.000 It is a commodity out here on the streets.

01:43:38.000 And there are evil people who get into government and have no compunction about what happens.

01:43:43.000 Their deal is the end justifies the means.

01:43:47.000 It's like Spock on Star Trek.

01:43:48.000 The good of the many outweighs the good of the few. 0.94

01:43:50.000 If we have to kill some children for the good of the many, then we're going to do it. 0.98

01:43:53.000 That's how they justify this stuff, and it's sick. 0.99

01:43:56.000 And we've talked about this in the past.

01:43:59.000 These people exist not just in the criminal element, but they exist in the government.

01:44:02.000 There's a lot of criminals that exist in our government nowadays, and we all know about that.

01:44:06.000 Because criminals start getting in, and they start recruiting more and more of their people, filling up more positions.

01:44:11.000 It's like fungus.

01:44:12.000 It's a cancer, and it builds, and they only recruit the people... You go back to the 60s.

01:44:17.000 You go back to some of the CIA operations in the early 60s.

01:44:21.000 And you find people who have no compunction against running drugs in the United States, being used by our own school children, if they can make money to fight communism.

01:44:29.000 I mean, this was their justification.

01:44:30.000 We can go back to, I think it was Team 101 of the OSS, in World War II.

01:44:35.000 It was led by E. Howard Hunt, and they had Lucian Conine on it, and Paul Helliwell, and Mitch Warbell, and some of these guys.

01:44:40.000 They were running opium in World War II in the Golden Triangle to support the Kuomintang Army under General Chiang Kai-shek.

01:44:47.000 And they justified that because, well, it's war.

01:44:50.000 And during the Vietnam War, it's recruits from the same bunch that ran the Golden Triangle through the 60s, 70s, 80s, and probably still do today, through the Golden Triangle, on all the opium coming out now, and all that stuff's ending up in the veins of European and American youth. 0.81

01:45:08.000 The same bunch that runs both the Cali and Medellin cartels, and all of that cocaine comes into the country.

01:45:14.000 We go back and we look at the stuff that came through back in the 80s during the Reagan administration, when George Bush Sr.

01:45:19.000 was Vice President, and we follow that down through MENA with Clinton, down to Noriega, and the whole Iran-Contra thing, and it was exposed.

01:45:29.000 I mean, it was documented.

01:45:30.000 It was blown wide open, and then it just went away, and everybody put their heads back in the sand.

01:45:35.000 So, are there evil people out there?

01:45:37.000 Absolutely.

01:45:37.000 Do they work in these agencies?

01:45:38.000 Yes, they do.

01:45:39.000 Who do they recruit?

01:45:40.000 Each other.

01:45:41.000 And other people like them.

01:45:42.000 It's a monster that creates its own young as it goes.

01:45:47.000 And what we have to do is what we do right now.

01:45:50.000 We educate people.

01:45:50.000 You talk about it, I talk about it.

01:45:52.000 Somebody's got to be fearless and stand up.

01:45:53.000 Because if we don't have a watchman on the wall, we're going to lose.

01:45:57.000 Well, and this happens in society.

01:45:59.000 It's like a viral infection or a bacterial infection.

01:46:02.000 I like how you use the microscopic example.

01:46:05.000 And, you know, these diseases don't know how to stop.

01:46:08.000 They keep spreading and finally even kill the host!

01:46:11.000 Well, and that's exactly what's happening right now.

01:46:14.000 Our government is not what it used to be.

01:46:16.000 The host is being killed by cancer within it.

01:46:19.000 We've got organizations in our government that run drugs, that launder money, that have hit teams.

01:46:25.000 This has been shown through history over and over and over again.

01:46:28.000 And when it gets exposed, it's like the deal that happened in California where They said that we've got evidence that the CIA has been running drugs into the streets of Los Angeles.

01:46:39.000 And the CIA comes back and says, well, we investigated that and we found ourselves innocent.

01:46:43.000 You know, I mean, okay, fine.

01:46:44.000 That's like getting cancer to cure cancer.

01:46:46.000 Let's talk to Eric in Oklahoma.

01:46:48.000 Eric, thanks for holding her on the air.

01:46:54.000 Okay, Joe in Tennessee.

01:46:55.000 You're next.

01:46:56.000 Go ahead, Joe.

01:47:01.000 Maybe having a little glitch with the phone lines.

01:47:02.000 We'll try to go back to calls here in just a few minutes.

01:47:06.000 That happens occasionally.

01:47:07.000 Colonel, you know, I look at this, and then I look at the average cop on the street who's compartmentalized.

01:47:13.000 And here in Austin, they're having checkpoints all week, just randomly searching vehicles.

01:47:18.000 And I hear them on the radio going, well, it may violate the Fourth Amendment, but we've got to do this to stop crime.

01:47:23.000 I mean, so you kill America to save America, but then you let the government itself bring the drugs in to create the crisis to begin with? 0.58

01:47:30.000 I mean, what would you say to those police that are getting these federal dollars to run these checkpoints all over the country?

01:47:36.000 Well, of course, my first question is what happened to the laws that I was trained at the police academy that you can't stop a vehicle without probable cause or reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

01:47:46.000 You can't just stop a vehicle because you don't like its color or because you're going to stop the next ten vehicles and see if there's any bad guys inside.

01:47:54.000 You know, so a stop is a form of arrest.

01:47:57.000 A form of arrest has to have probable cause.

01:47:59.000 Where did this fall by the wayside?

01:48:00.000 You know, that law has never changed, but what they've done is they've written new laws over it.

01:48:06.000 And they've come up with homeland defense stuff, anti-terrorism stuff.

01:48:09.000 Or they call it the continuation of the force-threat continuum, and they say, well, we have a policy!

01:48:17.000 You know, the IRS has tax rules.

01:48:22.000 But they're not law.

01:48:24.000 And we go by them because they say, well, it's in the IRS regulations.

01:48:27.000 Well, regulations have to do with organizations.

01:48:30.000 It doesn't have to do with the people itself.

01:48:35.000 What's happened is we are not taught in our schools anymore on constitutional law and on rights and laws like we were 30 years ago.

01:48:43.000 So the kids growing up today just go along with it because big brother is out there to help you, and he says you're supposed to do it and you're not supposed to question it.

01:48:49.000 I wrote a huge article on newswithviews.com about the TSA and the way the airport Nazis treat everybody when you try to get on an airplane now.

01:48:58.000 We're being conditioned to line up like a bunch of ducks and just say, yes sir, yes sir, three bags full, high diddle diddle, walk up the middle, Don't bother anybody.

01:49:07.000 Put your hands in the air, turn around, spread your legs, and go on with life.

01:49:11.000 And by the way, I'm sure you've heard...

01:49:13.000 I'm sure you've heard, now the TSA is being dispatched to the inauguration in other cities.

01:49:19.000 They're going to train police how to quote, profile people with behavioral sciences, and then they're going to have this all over the streets, all over the roads now, Colonel.

01:49:28.000 Well, and they're told they're not supposed to profile terrorists because it's not politically correct, you know?

01:49:33.000 You might offend somebody.

01:49:37.000 I know the Supreme Court says you can stop everyone, you just can't stop specific people, so everyone must be abused.

01:49:45.000 That's your freedom.

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01:49:47.000 We'll be right back, folks, with Alan and others.

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01:55:41.000 Allen, go ahead.

01:55:42.000 Hello, Alex.

01:55:43.000 Hello.

01:55:44.000 And Mr. Roberts, what happened April 19, 1995, we lost quite a bit there in that there was a lot of movement and resistance to any world governance.

01:55:55.000 And I have here a copy of a resolution by the Legislature of Oklahoma that was done in 1994.

01:56:02.000 I'd like to read just a little bit of it.

01:56:04.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:56:06.000 Now, be it resolved by the House representing Second Session's 44th Oklahoma Legislature that the United States Congress is hereby memorialized to, and number four, cease any support for the establishment of a new world order or any form of global government, that the United States Congress is hereby memorialized to refrain from taking any further steps towards the economic or political merger United States into a war body.

01:56:37.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

01:56:38.000 Did you know that New Hampshire was going to have a vote to secede and it was going to happen?

01:56:43.000 Their counties were all going along with it the week of 9-11.

01:56:47.000 I had their state reps on.

01:56:49.000 I had their mayors on.

01:56:50.000 It was getting no national attention.

01:56:53.000 There were bills introduced and Arizona did the same thing.

01:56:56.000 And Craig, that is true what he just covered and it goes on and on.

01:57:01.000 Very interesting that Oklahoma got knocked upside the head after doing that.

01:57:05.000 Yeah, I remember when that came out.

01:57:06.000 I've got copies of that.

01:57:07.000 We were amazed that anybody else even thought about it, much less somebody down in the state legislature.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, and he's right.

01:57:15.000 You know, we chased afterwards, the big conundrum in this thing was all of a sudden, you know, we're chasing Middle Easterners, and that's what our eyewitnesses talked about, and then here all of a sudden it switches over to the militia, and the right wing, and Pat Robertson, and Rush Limbaugh, and radio talk shows, and all this stuff, and we chase that back, and it goes to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the ADL, and it makes you leave with a benign grip.

01:57:39.000 Absolutely.

01:57:39.000 Stay there, Al, and I'll let you finish up on the other side.

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01:58:09.000 All right, my friends, into this third and final hour of this worldwide edition, the 13th day of January 05.

01:58:16.000 We're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts.

01:58:19.000 We've got Jack McClam, Police and Military Against the New World Order, coming on, and obviously loaded phone lines here.

01:58:24.000 A whole host of other issues now I want to get into with our guest.

01:58:28.000 But Allen N. in Kansas was bringing up a really important point.

01:58:33.000 He was talking about how Oklahoma passed a law saying we're not going along with the new world order instructing congress that uh... in washington that they better not go along with it and shortly after there was a huge movement against the u n the new world order everybody was waking up is that there was a huge awakening happening and boom oklahoma city and then it gets blamed on the patriots and then clearly we have government operatives there at the scene uh... clearly involved Anything else you wanted to add, Allen?

01:59:01.000 Well, you talk about now seeing people wake up, and what I'm trying to say by bringing this up again is during this time in 1994, we had people go to meetings of a thousand, three thousand, I was one of the three to four thousand with people meeting there and discussing these matters about world governance, and there was quite a bit of resistance to world governance at the time, and it was building.

01:59:25.000 On April 19, 1995, that resistance was quieted.

01:59:30.000 Because day one, Bill Clinton came out and said it's the evil right-wingers, those who believe in a world government.

01:59:35.000 Thanks for the call.

01:59:36.000 I want to get a comment.

01:59:38.000 Craig Roberts was just talking about this in the last hour, but Jack McClam, I think we're having an even bigger awakening right now, and I think the danger of the globalists carrying out more attacks is higher than ever.

01:59:48.000 Jack, good to have you on with us.

01:59:49.000 Good to be back with you, Alex.

01:59:51.000 And also, Colonel Roberts, good to be back on with you.

01:59:55.000 Hello, Brother Jack!

01:59:57.000 Doing okay on this end.

01:59:58.000 We're sorting tigers up here.

01:59:59.000 I know you guys are, too.

02:00:02.000 What do you think about the callers' point of there was a big movement against the New World Order, they passed a law in Oklahoma, and then a few months later they get a building blown up?

02:00:13.000 Yes, that certainly did hurt the awakening across the nation, at least those who were willing to stand up.

02:00:21.000 We had a lot of guys ducked for cover over that, and it's too bad.

02:00:25.000 But you know, it's always been that way.

02:00:27.000 As Colonel Roberts knows, when the bullets start flying and the blood starts running, you begin to see who's going to be with you and who's not going to be with you.

02:00:36.000 Well, you're right.

02:00:38.000 There's so many of these alleged patriots that were all standing behind podiums and waving flags until then, and then all of a sudden they became scarce commodities.

02:00:47.000 That's right.

02:00:47.000 And we can name them.

02:00:49.000 And what's interesting, Alex, let's go back in time a little bit, rewind the tape here, from 1992 or 1993 up until 1995 there was another phenomenon that was occurring besides militias being formed and all kinds of self-defense forces being contemplated and organized and so on.

02:01:08.000 Gun shows were growing and people were buying ammunition because they were so afraid of what the liberals were doing in Washington and so afraid of the Clintons and the globalists and so on They were buying ammunition.

02:01:19.000 They were buying pallet loads of ammunition.

02:01:22.000 Price didn't matter.

02:01:23.000 They were buying every gun they could get their hands on.

02:01:25.000 I saw the Wanamaker Show on Tulsa, the biggest gun show in the world, where people were coming in with hand carts, buying stuff, field gear and rations.

02:01:34.000 It looked like they were equipping for war right there. 0.73

02:01:37.000 And the government got word of this.

02:01:38.000 I testified before Congress.

02:01:40.000 On the 5th of April of 1995, against the Brady Bunch and against the Omnibus Crime Control Act that year and so on, in my police uniform, which I got in trouble for, but so be it.

02:01:52.000 I've always been a loose cannon.

02:01:54.000 And when I was in Washington, I was up there for three or four days, and I was escorted around to all kinds of different functions and cocktail parties and so on to talk to the bigwigs.

02:02:01.000 And this is an interview with a congressman and all of that.

02:02:04.000 And I found that, when I mentioned, do you guys realize what's happening out in the real world?

02:02:08.000 Do you understand that people out here, the average honest citizen is getting together and having meetings and forming militia units and arming themselves with teeth because they fear you, they fear the government.

02:02:17.000 And they looked at me with this blind look and said, what are you talking about?

02:02:20.000 They didn't even have a clue.

02:02:21.000 Well, you know, I think to this day, though, they're in their ivory towers and they don't know that what was going on then, it's 50 times that, because most of it's underground.

02:02:29.000 Jack McClam, I want to get your take on this when we get back.

02:02:32.000 Then we'll start going to calls here.

02:02:33.000 And I want to go over some news items with both of you gentlemen and get your analysis on those points as well.

02:02:39.000 Stay with us.

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02:06:10.000 Alright, again, your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes.

02:06:13.000 Roger and Steve and Ron and others.

02:06:16.000 We're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts and, of course, Jack McClam, police and military against the New World Order.

02:06:22.000 Jack, the points that the caller and Craig were just making...

02:06:27.000 Again, in the decade I've been fighting the globalists, I have never seen people waking up so fast.

02:06:32.000 I've never seen the public listening and believing and checking out what I'm saying on other people's talk shows, on talk shows where the talk show host attacks me.

02:06:42.000 I mean, we're really seeing an awakening here.

02:06:46.000 Are you getting that as well?

02:06:47.000 We're getting it, yes.

02:06:49.000 We deal with mostly military and law enforcement here, but that is very, very true.

02:06:55.000 My email especially, even from out of the country, from soldiers, and of course police officers too, many serving in the Middle East right now and other places, are awakening.

02:07:06.000 We have more and more soldiers taking a stand and saying they're not going to go back and fight this war for oil, war for Israel over there.

02:07:15.000 And it's happening almost daily now.

02:07:19.000 In the law enforcement military area, we have letters coming in from police officers, I have two right here in front of me, saying no to tyranny and saying no to allowing the feds to come into the county and use them to take property without due process.

02:07:35.000 I mean, there's an awakening in law enforcement, the military, and in the private sector like we've never seen either.

02:07:42.000 Well, what's going to happen, though, in the next year?

02:07:45.000 What do you see happening, Craig?

02:07:48.000 Well, I think it's going to be more of the same as far as what you're talking about, as far as people waking up.

02:07:54.000 I'm running into people now when I do seminars and talk shows and so on, that before, you know, two or three years ago, they had their head in the sand.

02:08:02.000 They didn't want to hear it. 0.97

02:08:03.000 You know, guys like me were nuts. 0.99

02:08:04.000 We're crazy. 0.91

02:08:05.000 This couldn't be happening.

02:08:06.000 Not in this country.

02:08:07.000 Maybe someplace else.

02:08:08.000 And now they're coming back and saying, gee, you were right.

02:08:10.000 I had, you know, several years ago, back in 96, 95, 94, right in there, Well, after 95, when I started really digging into Oklahoma City bombing and writing reports no one wanted to see, our own Special Investigation Division assigned an officer to watch me.

02:08:26.000 And I was branded as a liability, a nutcase, a loose cannon, and so on and so forth.

02:08:35.000 Two years ago, one of those guys that was in Special Investigations at the time came to me and said, you know what, they had a meeting last week.

02:08:42.000 And they pulled out your old files and they said, you know, the only thing Roberts was was ahead of his time.

02:08:47.000 He told us about stuff and we didn't believe it.

02:08:49.000 Now it's all happening.

02:08:51.000 So, that was kind of a... I felt pretty good that some of those guys woke up because they were about the hardest cases to wake up you could run into.

02:08:58.000 So if they're waking up, there's got to be, you know, patrol officers out here that are doing the same thing.

02:09:02.000 Well, I want to ask Jack McClam about this because his organization, probably no one out there interfaces more with law enforcement, peace officers, the military.

02:09:11.000 You know, a lot of these guys and gals, they're not bad people, they're good people, so they've made psychological excuses for what they're doing, violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution, and because they're good, they can't imagine that they're compartmentalized in a structure that's doing bad, and they can't imagine that superiors would be bad.

02:09:29.000 Have you found that's part of the psychological problem?

02:09:33.000 It certainly is, but I'll tell you what, More and more of these soldiers and police officers are seeing through it because they're actually getting involved in it in their own areas.

02:09:44.000 We have, like I say, two letters here of police officers taking an active part of standing up and saying no to things they're being told to do, orders and so forth.

02:09:57.000 And we had Sergeant Kevin Venderman on twice yesterday on my two radio programs.

02:10:03.000 You know about him saying no, he's not going to go back.

02:10:06.000 To Iraq. 0.74

02:10:08.000 And he was talking about the rifles don't even work.

02:10:11.000 Yes, and of course he and his squad was told by their commander to shoot the children if they threw rocks at them and they refused to do it.

02:10:19.000 I heard him telling a story about there's a kid bringing them an RPG to show them where a cache is and normally the child would be killed but he was just showing them where the cache was, a ten year old.

02:10:29.000 Yes, and he was basically felt that he should shoot this kid But he hesitated long enough for the kid to show him that he was just showing him the weapon and showed him where cash and weapons were.

02:10:42.000 So there's more of these soldiers we're hearing from all the time now and law enforcement too that are seeing through this and I think it's because of all the information going out there like on your show Alex and all the publications and they're beginning to think twice now.

02:11:00.000 Maybe some of this could be true that we're hearing about.

02:11:03.000 And so we're finding that they're beginning to ask questions.

02:11:06.000 Well, this is what I wanted to bring it down to.

02:11:09.000 Six months from now, a year and a half from now, we wake up, a major city's been hit by a suitcase nuke, smallpox has been released, they're declaring a lockdown for your safety, they're telling us our freedoms are out the window for now, but of course the border will stay wide open.

02:11:26.000 Do you gentlemen, both of you, see this happening, A, and B, how do you see it playing out?

02:11:35.000 Well, I think, and I've been predicting this for a long time, I am totally surprised that they haven't launched a nuke someplace already, some suitcase nuke someplace.

02:11:42.000 And Alex, there's two things going on right now that you need to be made aware of.

02:11:46.000 One is is they've been briefing on what ifs on the suitcase nukes.

02:11:53.000 What if they did one Monday, another one Tuesday, another one Wednesday, and on Thursday said, you surrender or else we keep doing this.

02:11:59.000 Well, number one, all the cities are gonna panic.

02:12:02.000 People are gonna flood the countryside.

02:12:03.000 No one's going to want to stay inside of the city.

02:12:05.000 The whole country's going to collapse.

02:12:06.000 It's going to bring everything to a standstill.

02:12:07.000 If you throw some anthrax or plague or something, virus on top of that, or smallpox, then what you've got is a giant population reduction program underway.

02:12:16.000 Total, total badlum.

02:12:18.000 But there's another thing that's been going on.

02:12:19.000 We've been getting reports Through my federal contacts.

02:12:22.000 They've called me all the time and asked me, you know, what I think about something.

02:12:25.000 And the first one came out of Honolulu and a friend of mine with the government.

02:12:28.000 He said, hey, we had an airplane takeoff here yesterday and it was at night time and he got lazed with a pulsating green laser.

02:12:37.000 What could that mean?

02:12:38.000 And I said, that's range finding.

02:12:40.000 Somebody's establishing a firing position for a shoulder-launched missile.

02:12:43.000 They want to know if the airplane's in the firing envelope.

02:12:45.000 But instead they're out grabbing You know, little grocery store clerks are playing with toy lasers. 0.91

02:12:52.000 Well, the pulsating green laser that goes to 8,000 feet isn't a toy.

02:12:57.000 No, I understand.

02:12:58.000 I'm saying instead they're out grabbing people with toys.

02:13:00.000 Right, right.

02:13:02.000 You're making my point.

02:13:04.000 Last night they did a show on, it wasn't a show, it was on our local news right here, about there's been like 15 of these incidents that have been reported in the last 90 days.

02:13:13.000 Well, they never were reported before, and these people don't all know each other, so who are they?

02:13:19.000 They came on, they said there's nothing to it.

02:13:21.000 We've investigated, we've checked out.

02:13:22.000 They haven't investigated anything.

02:13:26.000 They haven't investigated anything.

02:13:28.000 They know that something's going to happen.

02:13:30.000 I'm telling you right now, the first time that we lose a civilian airliner coming out of some inland state, to a shoulder-launch SAM, and then another one in another city, the air industry is dead in this country for all intents and purposes.

02:13:43.000 And once that's dead, also the air cargo industry, and once the air cargo industry is dead, and FedEx and UPS and all this stuff doesn't fly anymore, and the post office doesn't fly anymore, and you're shutting down the entire country just with one business, and that's aviation.

02:13:58.000 Jack McClam, comments?

02:14:02.000 Yes, it's got to come, Alex.

02:14:07.000 It's got to come because you see, everything that the Bush crime family and these internationalists have to get done has to get done through sheer terror.

02:14:17.000 And we know that we keep getting military people talking to us about their hearing from their sources that the draft is coming maybe June, maybe even before that.

02:14:28.000 And to sell the American people on These type of things and also to stop Alex Jones and all these people broadcasting and sending out publications that are waking so many.

02:14:41.000 It's a geometric progression today that they've got to stop.

02:14:43.000 They've got to have more terrorism and it's got to be bad.

02:14:47.000 It's got to be so bad that when they suspend the Constitution and the First Amendment, surely to stop all of us and to sell the draft that the American people will say, well, the government's here to help us and we've got to go along with it.

02:15:01.000 We also feel that there'll be a push if they can kill a hundred thousand to a half a million Americans or more in this next one.

02:15:11.000 There will probably, we've had some very good sources say that they will try to say that, listen, all the terrorists out there have weapons, they have guns, so we're asking the good citizens to turn in their weapons so that we will know who the bad citizens are, who the bad guys are.

02:15:26.000 So there's going to be a lot of push this year we believe to very serious terrorism attacks on America because they have to have it.

02:15:35.000 They can't tell the American people on these type of things unless they have total fear and panic in the street.

02:15:45.000 Oh boy, let's take a call.

02:15:47.000 Roger in Pennsylvania.

02:15:48.000 Go ahead, Roger.

02:15:50.000 Yeah, thanks Alex.

02:15:51.000 Kind of unrelated to the current topic, just the previous ones, unless you want to put me in the back of the bus for later or take another call.

02:15:57.000 Yeah, the notion that poverty breeds revolver violence is really a fallacy.

02:16:02.000 It's been generated internally only in the most rare, exceptional circumstance.

02:16:08.000 If only because the impoverished are always too weak to rebel without being squashed.

02:16:13.000 So the real truth is that the so-called successful revolts are almost always engineered, as you've pointed out, from the top down.

02:16:20.000 I was kind of having too much fun with John, I think, the almost honest communist, when he kept choking, jumping past the installation era of Fidel Castro.

02:16:32.000 When I tried to pin him down on who installed Castro, he kept jumping to the ostensible remover.

02:16:37.000 Well, you know what?

02:16:38.000 I want to talk about that.

02:16:39.000 This whole fake left-right paradigm.

02:16:41.000 Roberts, McClam, for people who don't get this, can you, in a nutshell, and then after the break, explain the false dialectic and how the globalists control fascism and communism?

02:16:53.000 Craig, why don't you take that right now quickly?

02:16:55.000 Well, yeah, you've got the same ballplayers.

02:16:59.000 It goes all the way back to the original Bauer plan, which was control both sides of a conflict and it doesn't matter who wins or loses because they both end up in your debt and you end up in charge.

02:17:10.000 It's the same deal.

02:17:13.000 The only difference between fascism And communism is that there are only a few degrees of separation at the opposite end of the circle.

02:17:21.000 When you get all the way around there, they're both basically doing the same thing for their own agenda.

02:17:27.000 It's all command and control or neo-feudalism, serfdom, slavery, tyranny, despotism, domination of the human spirit.

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02:22:16.000 I want to go back to your calls here, but Jack, before the break, we were talking about the false left-right paradigm and how this confuses people.

02:22:27.000 Can you speak to that?

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02:22:39.000 Almost every institution is controlled by the Hegelian dialectic, and especially through this new consensus process.

02:22:48.000 Well, it's not new, but that is a part of the Hegelian dialectic where they create problems and then they come up with solutions that people wouldn't have accepted had they not created the problem to begin with.

02:23:00.000 So our whole nation is controlled by this process.

02:23:04.000 The Republican Socialist Party and Democratic Socialist Party.

02:23:08.000 There's no difference, but you're supposed to think there is.

02:23:10.000 And so, yeah, it's completely throughout our whole system today.

02:23:17.000 Well, a lot of these so-called conservatives don't want to hear about Bush appointing all these pro-abortion people, anti-gun people, Mecha members. 0.97

02:23:24.000 They'll call me a liberal for being against what Bush is doing. 0.89

02:23:30.000 Bush is just a puppet, Craig Roberts. 0.68

02:23:32.000 Well, you know, he's part of the same group as the rest of them. 0.89

02:23:35.000 He was a skull and bones guy, just like Kerry and a lot of the others, and Scroll and Key and all of that bunch.

02:23:41.000 It all goes back to, through the CFR to the Royal Society for International Affairs, the Globalist Roundtable Group in London, whose simple deal is very simple.

02:23:48.000 It's a one world government.

02:23:50.000 We're in charge, you're not.

02:23:52.000 We take the third world countries and by redistribution of the wealth from the first world countries, bring them up to second world status. 1.00

02:23:59.000 Most people haven't even heard of second world status.

02:24:01.000 We take the first world countries and we reduce them through treaties, through trade agreements, NAFTA, GATT. 1.00

02:24:06.000 We reduce the borders.

02:24:07.000 We allow free immigration across the borders.

02:24:09.000 We redistribute their companies and corporations overseas.

02:24:13.000 We bring them down to second world status. 0.81

02:24:15.000 Now, at that time, when all of those countries are on the same ball of wax, they're totally disarmed, they're all in line, the population's been reduced, We have the New World Order.

02:24:23.000 We're in charge, they're the worker beasts, we're the elite, we profit. 0.95

02:24:27.000 That's the whole thing in a nutshell.

02:24:29.000 Problem is, this bunch works for Satan. 0.90

02:24:32.000 It's as simple as that.

02:24:33.000 Let's take a call.

02:24:35.000 Up next here is Steve in Nevada, then Ron and others.

02:24:38.000 Go ahead, Steve.

02:24:39.000 Hey, thank you.

02:24:39.000 Can you hear me?

02:24:40.000 Yes.

02:24:41.000 Okay, my question was for Colonel Robert.

02:24:43.000 He was getting into something concerning Who profits from these Humvees?

02:24:48.000 He had mentioned the Colt manufacturer being like the Maribel helicopter being Lady Bird Johnson.

02:24:53.000 He was just getting into Humvees.

02:24:55.000 Would you finish that thought, Colonel Robert?

02:24:58.000 Well, where I was going with that is somebody needs to investigate to find out where the money's going on the manufacturing of Humvees, and where the money's going on all the modifications, all the improvements, and all the armor.

02:25:10.000 Because what we found out a lot of times when this happens, it doesn't have anything to do with product improvement.

02:25:15.000 It doesn't have anything to do with troop safety or need.

02:25:17.000 It has to do with who makes the money off the contracts.

02:25:20.000 And I think that's where we need to look at.

02:25:21.000 I haven't had time to do it myself yet.

02:25:24.000 I've been too busy fighting to get the M113 pulled out of mothballs and sent over there.

02:25:29.000 They're already bought.

02:25:30.000 They're already paid for.

02:25:31.000 We have the ability to move them, and they're ten times better on protecting our troops than these wheeled vehicles that they're using.

02:25:37.000 They're even better than the Stryker.

02:25:40.000 We proved in Vietnam that they would withstand a whole lot.

02:25:43.000 Mines, bombs, and all kinds of stuff to a certain extent.

02:25:46.000 Nothing's going to be perfect.

02:25:48.000 But, you know, two inches of aluminum armor is better than canvas.

02:25:53.000 And it's better than a quarter inch of steel.

02:25:54.000 So we've got the stuff, why aren't we using it?

02:25:57.000 We never could get an answer.

02:25:58.000 Now I see last week that finally they've decided to start sending some of them over there.

02:26:03.000 And I think it's because of all the pressure we've put on.

02:26:05.000 Okay, now my last comment is Well, whatever happened to you and where is, and I'm sure you're aware of this, gentlemen, whatever happened to you and where is Colonel Bo Greif?

02:26:15.000 Well, you know, I think that Jack is the one to answer that the best because I haven't kept up with Bo lately and I think Jack probably has his finger on that.

02:26:24.000 Jack?

02:26:25.000 Yeah, I talked to him about three days ago.

02:26:27.000 He's doing fine.

02:26:28.000 He is having some health problems which he's going to the VA hospital and he told me the other day they're doing a good job on him.

02:26:37.000 Trying to help him with some of his health problems.

02:26:39.000 They're even fixing all of his bad teeth, he says.

02:26:43.000 So anyway, he's doing fine.

02:26:44.000 He's written a new book.

02:26:46.000 Has out his new book called My Brother's Keeper.

02:26:49.000 And he's doing radio now once again.

02:26:51.000 So he's getting back into it and I'm happy to see that.

02:26:54.000 Well, perhaps you can answer just my last question.

02:26:56.000 Why is... I met Bo back when he was running for president back in Colorado at some obscure holiday inn somewhere.

02:27:04.000 Now, my point is, I asked him, I said, you know, at the time, both he and Ross Perot were running simultaneously for the same election.

02:27:12.000 And I said, you know, I asked him, you know, I think it would be like just a godsend if you two, a great man, could get together and run.

02:27:21.000 And he shocked me when he said he did not like Uh, Ross Perot, and I didn't get into it because... Alright, I get your point.

02:27:28.000 We're gonna come back, take a few more calls, get into some other news issues.

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02:30:46.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

02:30:52.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:30:55.000 Alright, Jack's going to be leaving us here in about 15 minutes.

02:31:02.000 He's got to get out his newsletter of this month's great issue.

02:31:06.000 And we're going to have Craig with us for the rest of the hour.

02:31:08.000 I'm going to take just three more calls from Ron.

02:31:12.000 Ellen, and who's that caller in Florida that was next?

02:31:15.000 Jeremiah, and I'm sorry to the others.

02:31:18.000 That's all we have time for because I've got some other news items I want to raise and bring up here.

02:31:22.000 But first off, Jack McClain, tell folks about your website and tell them about your Aiden Abett newsletter.

02:31:30.000 Okay, the easiest thing to do, I understand I haven't done it, but if you just put Officer Jack McClain in a search and push the button, you'll come up with our website, which is policeandmilitaryagainstthenewworldorder.com or .org.

02:31:46.000 But you have to put a hyphen between each word.

02:31:49.000 It's better just to put Jack McLam, Officer Jack McLam, push the search engine and you'll get to our website.

02:31:55.000 If people would like to get copies of our police and military publication, Alex, on constitutional issues, just write to us here at HC11.

02:32:06.000 That's like Hotel Charlie 11, Box 357, like the good old Magnum I carry on duty.

02:32:12.000 Kamii, K-A-M-I-A-H, Idaho, 83536.

02:32:20.000 HC11, Box 357.

02:32:23.000 Kamii, K-A-M-I-A-H, Idaho, 83536.

02:32:27.000 If you don't mind, send us a $3 donation because, boy, that postage is expensive.

02:32:34.000 We're an all-volunteer police and military association, but as Alex knows, we sure need the money to pay the bill.

02:32:40.000 Absolutely.

02:32:41.000 Now, I want to just throw news articles out at both of you before we take a few final calls, and I want to get your quick response or take on it.

02:32:47.000 We talked about this in the last hour.

02:32:50.000 The American Free Press, OKC bombshell implicates Feds and Murrah Blast.

02:32:54.000 We knew they were doing tests of blowing up trucks and cars.

02:32:57.000 The very BATF officer that was over this for the National Security Council, for Bill Clinton personally, Harry Everhart was there on the ground outside the building when the bomb went off, and he's the one that called it in, saying it was an ANFO bomb.

02:33:13.000 That's pretty obvious, is it not, Jack?

02:33:15.000 That sure is, brother.

02:33:17.000 I'll tell you, that thing stinks all the way through, as Greg can tell you.

02:33:20.000 I mean, there's nothing that works for that situation.

02:33:25.000 Alex, back years ago, We were the ones, our police team, that went to Arkansas from nine different states to reinvestigate the execution of Sheriff Dean Matthews and Gordon Call.

02:33:36.000 We were able to find out the truth of who killed who, how Gordon Call and the Sheriff were executed, because they left the crime scene there.

02:33:45.000 And so, ever since then, they've always removed the crime scenes within days after they do one of their things, like Oklahoma City and the Waco Holocaust down there.

02:33:55.000 They always go in Remove the crime scene.

02:33:58.000 Or 9-11.

02:33:59.000 Yeah, 9-11.

02:34:00.000 And so nobody can go in and find out who the true bad guys are.

02:34:04.000 Let me get a comment from Craig on that.

02:34:05.000 Hello?

02:34:09.000 Yes, Craig, they like to get rid of the evidence, don't they?

02:34:11.000 Yeah, and we ran into that, of course, in the Murrah Building.

02:34:15.000 And TW800.

02:34:15.000 If you look at the TW800 stuff, They moved all the evidence into the Calverton hangar.

02:34:26.000 You never saw the engines.

02:34:27.000 The engines disappeared.

02:34:28.000 They never even arrived in the hangar.

02:34:30.000 When they were pulled out of the water, they were taken someplace else because one of them had taken a missile hit right in the side of it and was burned up.

02:34:35.000 I had videotaped that at one time.

02:34:38.000 Uh, which has since disappeared, amazingly.

02:34:40.000 But, uh, the Oklahoma City bombing, you get rid of the evidence, but you don't just, they didn't just tear the building down.

02:34:45.000 They, they, they buried it, uh, and then they put a fence around it, and then they put security guards on it, so you couldn't even go there to dig up pieces of it.

02:34:53.000 And it, which leads me to believe there's some radiation involved in that thing.

02:34:57.000 Because you'd be able to detect that.

02:34:58.000 But how are we ever going to know if we can't get there?

02:35:00.000 Alright, here's a whole other area I want to shift gears into.

02:35:03.000 All over the country they're putting in camera systems that scan your license plates instantly.

02:35:08.000 The police car just drives around scanning all the plates automatically.

02:35:12.000 They go, oh it'll stop.

02:35:13.000 You know, all these different criminals and car thieves.

02:35:16.000 The problem is that in the future you haven't paid your taxes, whatever.

02:35:21.000 It's all part of this database.

02:35:23.000 Ergonomics today, they want to make a law where all cars have an infrared camera videotaping you via a cell phone back to the police department.

02:35:32.000 They're saying that they're going to have toll roads on all the major streets.

02:35:36.000 All of this is happening.

02:35:37.000 They passed the national ID card a month ago going into the state driver's license.

02:35:42.000 Comments from both of you?

02:35:44.000 Go ahead, Jack.

02:35:45.000 Well, hit martial law coming.

02:35:47.000 That's it.

02:35:48.000 They want us to beg, matter of fact, demand martial law.

02:35:52.000 And the only way they can do that is to have more terrible terrorism across this nation.

02:35:58.000 And the people will demand martial law, and they're getting all set up for it, obviously.

02:36:02.000 Well, this control grid makes 1984 look like child's play.

02:36:06.000 Comments, Craig?

02:36:07.000 Well, yeah, and they've... When I saw a map that they had done, That broke the United States down into every single county on one map!

02:36:18.000 And said, we can go in to each of these little tiny squares, these little counties, and we can further break these down into 10 meter grid squares.

02:36:28.000 Not 100 meter, but 10 meter grid squares for searches, or for identification, or for locating anything, and then we can home in on that by satellite, or other means.

02:36:39.000 You know, that was pretty frightening that they were even thinking about doing something like that, because who would care?

02:36:43.000 Who would care about 10 feet in your backyard?

02:36:46.000 And have it on a map and have it programmed into computers so that they could go there within seconds with some type of imaging device or whatever.

02:36:57.000 You know, that's pretty frightening when they want that amount of control over every piece of real estate at every cost.

02:37:02.000 And it just came out, what we knew years ago, they're going to have yearly census and they're going to try to make you answer all these questions when you have a Fifth Amendment and they're going to take all these integrated databases and put them into the Census Department.

02:37:17.000 Absolutely.

02:37:18.000 It's control.

02:37:19.000 You know what all this control is generated from?

02:37:22.000 It's fear.

02:37:23.000 It's the fear of the people in charge.

02:37:25.000 They fear everybody.

02:37:26.000 You fear the peasants when you're sitting in the castle.

02:37:29.000 You think that the peasants are going to get their torches and their pitchforks and storm the castle.

02:37:32.000 So what you have to do, you disarm them.

02:37:34.000 Why do you have so much fear?

02:37:35.000 Because you know you're doing things that are wrong and you've got even worse things planned.

02:37:39.000 We've put up with all of this peacefully.

02:37:40.000 What is it they have that is planned that's so horrible that they know they're going to get resistance?

02:37:45.000 Well, it's obvious their little New World Order isn't going to be swallowed like honey. 0.75

02:37:49.000 And there's going to be resistance to it.

02:37:51.000 They've already designated, they've already come up with a term called the Resisters.

02:37:54.000 You'll be one, I'll be one, Jack will be one.

02:37:57.000 Which doesn't bother me a bit.

02:37:58.000 I've always been a Resister.

02:38:00.000 But they have plans for guys like us.

02:38:02.000 What about Mr. Chertoff to be our new Homeland Security Leader?

02:38:08.000 And Mr. Gonzalez?

02:38:10.000 Jack?

02:38:10.000 I think he fits in perfect.

02:38:12.000 When you understand who the Who the crime families are that control this nation, they're perfect for a totalitarian system.

02:38:20.000 I just had an interview with the leader of the Patriot Freedom Movement in New Zealand just a few days ago, Leo Hellyer, and he's talking about something we need to talk more about in America here, Alex, and that is water control.

02:38:35.000 Down there, they are GPSing their wells.

02:38:39.000 They've now started locking down their wells.

02:38:42.000 Same thing's going on in England, Canada, and now here.

02:38:45.000 That's right, and they've just come up here trying to GPS our wells in our Christian constitutional communities.

02:38:51.000 We ran them off, and the sheriff's backing us and saying, you can't come on their properties unless you're invited.

02:38:57.000 But he said that they're now metering the wells down there, and they've actually locked down some of the wells.

02:39:03.000 Of course, what happens in Australia and New Zealand, the same thing begins to happen here and it's starting right now in America doing these same things.

02:39:12.000 Well, they're also metering wells all over Colorado.

02:39:15.000 Are they now? 0.97

02:39:15.000 I just got back from there and there's people up in the mountains in Colorado that are saying if they come up here we're going to shoot them. 0.97

02:39:23.000 They're really pushing the edge of the envelope with some of these people out in this part of the country.

02:39:27.000 It may go over well in some areas back east around California but you get out in the Midwest and run into some of the backwoods areas like the one I live in and there's going to be problems.

02:39:35.000 There's problems up here.

02:39:36.000 I'll tell you what, the guys aren't coming on our property now but one thing we have to remember years and years ago The BOR, the Soviet BOR spy named Henry Kissinger, said to control nations you control oil, to control people you control food, but what better way to control the people that control the water that grows the food and keeps people alive? 0.64

02:39:58.000 Well, water is your first commodity.

02:39:59.000 If you control the water, you control the country.

02:40:01.000 Everything else is utterly irrelevant.

02:40:03.000 Well, the UN put out a report five years ago saying they're going to create artificial scarcity in water.

02:40:08.000 They're doing it.

02:40:09.000 Uh-huh.

02:40:09.000 They're doing it.

02:40:10.000 Let's take a few final calls here.

02:40:12.000 Ron in Oklahoma, you're on the air.

02:40:13.000 Thanks for holding.

02:40:15.000 Yeah, guys, I'd like to hit several points real quick and let you respond when I get off.

02:40:20.000 First off, the Daily Oklahoman reported after the bombing that a ATF agent and a DEA agent claimed to be trapped in an elevator at the Murrow bombing.

02:40:35.000 Apparently, the government offered anyone there in the building at the time, any government employee, early retirement.

02:40:40.000 The DEA guy asked for early retirement, yet Fire Rescue said when they got to that particular elevator, there was no one in it.

02:40:48.000 Also, how much vested interest does the County Sheriff and the OCPD have in keeping quiet on this?

02:40:55.000 Any foreknowledge?

02:40:56.000 Also, the Russians used Muslim troops from the provinces for craft control in Russia because the Russians wouldn't shoot on Russians.

02:41:05.000 And finally, a female U.S. Army officer has recently been brought up on charges for letting the U.S. Army troops salvage Humvee parts from a salvage yard in Kuwait.

02:41:17.000 Is that because of the DU or because of the money involved?

02:41:22.000 Me first.

02:41:26.000 We could do a whole show here, in fact three or four of them.

02:41:30.000 There was nobody in that elevator and those guys lied about it.

02:41:34.000 The elevator company went and inspected it and that elevator did not free fall.

02:41:37.000 They didn't get hurt in it and they went up to Dr. Chumley afterwards and said we want you to Uh, you know, write a medical report and bandage me up and say that I was hurt in an elevator when that didn't happen.

02:41:49.000 And he refused to do it.

02:41:49.000 He later got killed in a plane crash.

02:41:51.000 A very mysterious one, by the way, that we never had a chance to talk about.

02:41:53.000 And a cop of the year who wouldn't go along with all these stories.

02:41:56.000 He was tortured to death.

02:41:57.000 Terence Yakey.

02:41:58.000 Same type of deal.

02:42:01.000 So, you know, that's the Oklahoma City deal.

02:42:04.000 That didn't happen.

02:42:05.000 Who was killed in the plane crash?

02:42:06.000 That was Dr. Chumley.

02:42:08.000 Ah, not the DEA guy who later became, I mean, the DEA guy who did retire, or the ATF guy who later became head of ATF here?

02:42:15.000 No, no, no.

02:42:15.000 They're still out running around, and they backed down when they were faced by the elevator company in court and said that, no, this didn't happen, and all of a sudden that whole line just went away.

02:42:24.000 Okay.

02:42:25.000 Because they were getting problems because they were all out of the building, and it told police who were told not to come in So, thank you for the call.

02:42:33.000 I want to get some final comments here from Jack McClam, but to bring up another issue, there was a military officer down in Louisiana unloading coffins with flags on them, and the family wanted everybody to see the sacrifice, and the military officer, I've got the reporter, just said, look, I don't care what the Pentagon tells me, we're going to show people these coffins.

02:42:52.000 That really shows that there's some rebellion going on there.

02:42:56.000 Jack McClam?

02:42:57.000 Yes, there sure is.

02:42:58.000 In talking to Kevin Venderman, he says that There's almost whole squads that are going AWOL right now and not going back to Iraq after they've been there the first time.

02:43:09.000 So there are some good things happening.

02:43:11.000 We've got some great soldiers and police officers that love God and freedom who are standing up today and private citizens by the millions, I think.

02:43:19.000 So I'm hopeful.

02:43:20.000 We here at our police and military association are hopeful.

02:43:24.000 It's just that we've got to get as much done as we can and awaken as many as we can before they do the next terrorism attack.

02:43:30.000 Well, that's a question I got for Craig.

02:43:32.000 I mean, they wanted to go into Syria, Iran, all these places.

02:43:37.000 Are things not going well in Iraq?

02:43:39.000 Is that going to keep the globalists from going in to these other countries?

02:43:42.000 Or are we going to see another, as PNAC said, helpful terrorist event to get the people behind this expanded war?

02:43:49.000 Well, you know, there's two or three different scenarios that could play out, and there's always more than one plan on the table.

02:43:55.000 One of them is to link all of the support for the terrorists that are in Iraq today to Iran, and in order to shut off their logistical supply base, we've got to go into Iran.

02:44:06.000 That's one way to do it.

02:44:07.000 Same thing with Syria.

02:44:08.000 We can say, well, they came from Syria.

02:44:09.000 We can go into Syria. 0.74

02:44:10.000 Syria would be easier to take than Iran would be, except Iran has... By the way, they've already announced, just like with Cambodia, our troops have already been in Syria for months, and now they're going to start more public attacks. 0.95

02:44:21.000 So that's a way to whiten it.

02:44:22.000 Yeah, well...

02:44:25.000 The other thing is, of course, get the rest of the world involved too.

02:44:28.000 Bring in all the UN and go the Somalia route. 0.98

02:44:31.000 There's just so many scenarios that could be played out because what you've got is you've got a monopoly set and you've got all these players on the board.

02:44:38.000 Which one are you going to move first?

02:44:41.000 There's a limited number of options, but there are more than one option out there.

02:44:45.000 And I think that's what we're going to have to look at.

02:44:47.000 I think we're going to see the U.N.

02:44:48.000 around.

02:44:49.000 I think they're going to play the part of the good cop.

02:44:51.000 I think that they're going to be called into this thanks sooner or later and we're going to have people like Germany and Italy and who all playing greater parts and things.

02:45:00.000 The problem is, what I don't want to see is those guys coming over here policing our streets.

02:45:05.000 Well, that's the plan as you know, Greg.

02:45:07.000 Oh, I know.

02:45:09.000 And by the way, for people who just tuned in, that's not a joke, okay?

02:45:13.000 I've seen brass on television say it, on Nightline.

02:45:16.000 Craig's had family that's, you know, in these War College meetings where they're saying it.

02:45:20.000 He's read it.

02:45:21.000 I mean, how many reports of this have you gotten, Jack?

02:45:24.000 Well, a lot of these reports, because we're totally taking all the fighting men and women out of this nation, the National Guard, the Reserves, the Army, of course, and during the VA, the Veterans Administration, or Veterans, Holiday that just passed.

02:45:41.000 There was no military equipment to use in the parades here.

02:45:44.000 They're totally denuding this nation of any fighting machinery or people.

02:45:49.000 So, when the next terrorism goes on, folks, let me tell you, the American people will accept foreign troops, supervising them for their own safety. 0.96

02:46:00.000 Hard to believe, but the Pentagon's been training for over a decade to do this, and acclimating our troops to go along with it.

02:46:07.000 It's got to be a huge attack, though, to get the people to accept it.

02:46:10.000 That's right.

02:46:10.000 Well, the last caller made a valid point, and I think we skipped over it too quickly, and he talked about the...

02:46:16.000 The Moslem is being used to police certain streets in Russia because a Russian wouldn't shoot upon a Russian.

02:46:21.000 Well, that's not exactly true.

02:46:22.000 They do it all the time.

02:46:23.000 But here, they did the poll.

02:46:26.000 Remember, go back and they did the poll in California at 29 palms.

02:46:29.000 They've done a lot of those.

02:46:31.000 It said that American troops, 90-something percent of them, would not shoot Americans to disarm them.

02:46:36.000 And so now you get the American troops out and you bring somebody else in to disarm us. 0.60

02:46:40.000 Right.

02:46:41.000 And let them go door to door.

02:46:42.000 By the way, this has been done with the Hessians, with the Germans.

02:46:45.000 You know, we've had German troops here as mercenaries twice, folks.

02:46:51.000 Yeah, they've got a base here, as a matter of fact.

02:46:54.000 The Germans turned a base over to them. 0.96

02:46:58.000 There's more foreign troops at a lot of our bases right now than people realize.

02:47:02.000 And no, there's not a million Russian troops hiding in the northwest corner of the Rocky Mountains and all this stuff.

02:47:07.000 That's all disinformation that's put out so that it can be discredited so we don't listen to this stuff anymore.

02:47:12.000 You don't have to do that.

02:47:14.000 You can put them in barracks. 0.50

02:47:15.000 We've got military bases all over the place that house people we're training.

02:47:19.000 You go to Fort Polk, Louisiana on Operation Cooperative, Project Cooperative Nugget, and we're teaching them how to go door-to-door and take away guns.

02:47:26.000 There's an Air Force base, too, just loaded with foreign troops over there.

02:47:30.000 Right.

02:47:30.000 Well, that's in Arizona.

02:47:33.000 Let me give you an example.

02:47:35.000 You've got the School of the Americas.

02:47:36.000 I mean, when I was at Fort Benning, we had all kinds of foreign officers going through our courses at Fort Benning.

02:47:41.000 Let me give you an example.

02:47:42.000 I got the internal documents on the Texas Guard itself, and over it is a former SAS British officer, and he's over these domestic takeover units, and it is for domestic control.

02:47:55.000 You're right.

02:47:55.000 Well, Jack McClam, I want to thank you so much for coming on with us.

02:47:59.000 It's good to be back with you, Alex, and Craig, too.

02:48:02.000 God bless you both for all you're doing.

02:48:03.000 We cops and soldiers sure appreciate you.

02:48:06.000 We all have kids and families, and everything you do is a blessing to us, so thank you both.

02:48:14.000 Jack, we'll see you down range.

02:48:15.000 All right.

02:48:16.000 Yeah, thanks, Jack.

02:48:17.000 I mean, the same to you, what you had to say.

02:48:20.000 Thank you.

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02:53:40.000 Alex, I can't tell you how I enjoy your show, and you people are the real heroes and patriots in this country.

02:53:40.000 Go ahead.

02:53:49.000 You know, there's just no end to the evil going on.

02:53:52.000 And, you know, God bless you all.

02:53:54.000 I do have something I'd like to talk to you off the air about.

02:53:57.000 It's unbelievable, the stuff you're talking about, but in a different field.

02:54:02.000 And if there's any way I can call you back sometime.

02:54:06.000 I drove to Atlanta when you were supposed to be at the public.

02:54:09.000 I'm going to tell you something.

02:54:14.000 People say I'm going to be at events that I never said I was going to.

02:54:18.000 I won't doubt that.

02:54:22.000 I made billions in careers for many people in the music world.

02:54:26.000 I never got a diamond.

02:54:27.000 I probably don't deserve it, but I have a script for a movie and a TV show.

02:54:32.000 And whether you're able to help me or not.

02:54:35.000 All of us have our own talents, and you can leave your number and I'll try to give you a call if I have time.

02:54:41.000 Do you have any questions or comments?

02:54:43.000 Yeah, I don't know what show, but there was a man from Puerto Rico that was, I guess he was trying to bring charges against the President on the RICO law.

02:54:54.000 Have you heard anything about that?

02:54:56.000 I think Willie Gonzales and I think Burr was the name of the lawyer.

02:55:01.000 Well, there's been a lot of different lawsuits and a lot of different things happening.

02:55:06.000 And a lot of people, I mean, most of the victims' families think the government was behind it, but you never see them on the news.

02:55:13.000 No.

02:55:14.000 Colonel Roberts, you got any comments?

02:55:16.000 No.

02:55:17.000 Alright, well listen, I appreciate your call Jeremiah, and you can leave your number there if you'd like.

02:55:23.000 But then everybody starts doing it, and it's really, I'm working 18 hours a day on average.

02:55:27.000 It's hard to do it all.

02:55:29.000 Craig, you think we're going to make it through this?

02:55:30.000 I know with God's help we will.

02:55:32.000 Oh yeah, we went in the end, but we're going to go through a lot of trials and tribulations, and the whole war is going to be fought by a handful of people.

02:55:38.000 I mean that's just the way it's always been, and we have to know that.

02:55:41.000 The thing about it is, our job is to be messengers.

02:55:44.000 And to get the truth out there, and what people do with it is up to them.

02:55:48.000 But you know, French author Emile Zola said this.

02:55:50.000 He said, if you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through, it will blow up everything in its way.

02:56:01.000 And I think that's what's happening now.

02:56:02.000 They try to bury the truth and it's going to grow.

02:56:04.000 I love that quote!

02:56:07.000 I love that quote!

02:56:08.000 Well, always a great pleasure and honor to have you on the broadcast with us, Craig.

02:56:13.000 And take care, my friend.

02:56:14.000 We'll see you later.

02:56:15.000 God bless.

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Alex Jones Show - January 13, 2005

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