Alex Jones Show - 20050127_Thu_Alex

00:00:04.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:20.000 All right, my friends.

00:00:37.000 Here we are.

00:00:38.000 It's already Thursday, the 27th day of January 2005.

00:00:44.000 Almost said four.

00:00:46.000 For 27 days of the month, I'm still having to consciously remember that it's 2005.

00:00:53.000 Coming up in about six, seven minutes, we have one of the former top men at the KGB joining us.

00:01:03.000 He was a master spy handler, and I have a lot of interesting questions for this gentleman.

00:01:10.000 He'll be joining us from Moscow, so we'll see how the phone connection works, and hopefully this will all go off without a hitch.

00:01:17.000 Coming up in the next hour, we have Larry Pratt joining us to talk about, well, Alberto, I love torture, and I hate the Second Amendment, and I love open borders, Gonzalez.

00:01:31.000 Because Gonzalez just doesn't want to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.

00:01:36.000 As Lord Bush does.

00:01:38.000 He wants even more gun control.

00:01:41.000 And the NRA is almost mute on the subject.

00:01:45.000 Gun owners of America is not. 0.77

00:01:48.000 So, that's coming up as well.

00:01:51.000 I'm sure you've heard of this already.

00:01:52.000 Officer threatens to arrest woman for anti-Bush sticker.

00:01:55.000 W-A-P-T Channel 16 TV out of Denver, Colorado.

00:02:01.000 And then on top of that I have an article here where ten-year-olds arrested as terrorists for drawing stick figures of themselves stabbing a classmate. 0.91

00:02:12.000 Now it's funny, they can have all these video games where you rip people's guts out and rip and kill women.

00:02:18.000 Literally, those are the best-selling games. 0.74

00:02:20.000 You go around machine-gunning everyone, but you draw a picture of it, you get arrested.

00:02:26.000 But back when we were in school, If we drew something like that, they just didn't even pay attention to it.

00:02:34.000 I never drew pictures of stabbing classmates, but I drew pictures of army tanks and troops and troops fighting.

00:02:40.000 I don't know who didn't.

00:02:41.000 We all did.

00:02:42.000 The girls did flowers and houses and dogs and cats. 0.99

00:02:47.000 And, you know, that's what they drew.

00:02:49.000 And we drew tanks and troops killing each other.

00:02:52.000 And my mother, years ago, opened up an old trunk and pulled out all the pictures her brother had drawn.

00:02:58.000 Many of them.

00:02:59.000 He's a good artist.

00:03:00.000 Still to this day.

00:03:01.000 My uncle.

00:03:05.000 My uncle Forrest.

00:03:08.000 People don't even know his name is Forrest.

00:03:12.000 His nickname stuck.

00:03:13.000 Biff.

00:03:14.000 And there were all of the pictures of army tanks and planes.

00:03:20.000 Stuff like that, because, you know, he was a little kid right after World War II, but I guess nowadays I'd be arrested, he'd be arrested, we'd all be arrested for drawing what kids draw.

00:03:31.000 So that's coming up as well.

00:03:33.000 Plus a lot of news on the Iraq War, a lot of news on the fake election coming up in Iraq, a bunch of different police state developments, a big broadcast lined up for you on this live Thursday edition of the Alex Jones Show.

00:03:47.000 The websites are InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv, InfoWars.net, JonesReport.com and VirginUtah.com.

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00:04:14.000 But I can't wait to get into Alberto Gonzalez, that all the neocons are celebrating.

00:04:21.000 Well, the rest of the people, Bush, are putting in. 1.00

00:04:23.000 A bunch of gun-grabbing, open-border promoting, freedom-hating, warmongering, slave-mastering pieces of trash. 1.00

00:04:33.000 But, better not talk about Gonzales or you're anti-Hispanic. 1.00

00:04:37.000 Well, no, I'm not anti-Hispanic.

00:04:39.000 I was against Ashcroft.

00:04:40.000 He's a white guy. 0.99

00:04:42.000 But I'm even more against Gonzales because he was actually a brain behind this legislation and garbage. 0.98

00:04:49.000 Whereas, uh, Whereas, uh, the old Attorney General Ashcroft was just a puppet. 0.97

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00:08:09.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:11.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:22.000 Victor Cherkashian, former top AGB spy chief, known as a master spy handler, He's scheduled to be joining us.

00:08:36.000 Coming up also, Larry Pratt to talk about Alberto.

00:08:39.000 I'm gonna get your guns, Gonzalez.

00:08:43.000 When he's not saying he's gonna get Texas and New Mexico and Arizona and half of Colorado and Nevada and half of California.

00:08:54.000 He openly says that belongs to Mexico.

00:08:57.000 And when he's not saying that he wants your guns, and when he's not saying he wants to torture people, and torture's good, if we torture them up until death, it's not our fault if they die if it wasn't intentional. 1.00

00:09:07.000 I mean, this guy is an absolute pig monster. 0.99

00:09:12.000 I mean, it'd be like if we had a Ku Klux Klan leader as our Attorney General. 0.99

00:09:16.000 Well, I guess we pretty much do with Senator Robert Byrd.

00:09:22.000 You've got to love it sometimes.

00:09:23.000 If they're an establishment person, they can be as dirty as they want to be, and it doesn't matter. 0.97

00:09:28.000 As long as they lick the boots of the New World Order. 0.98

00:09:30.000 It's like Schwarzenegger. 0.93

00:09:32.000 I don't care if Kirk of all times a Nazi.

00:09:34.000 I love him, and Maria loves him, too.

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00:09:38.000 You know, it's just sick!

00:09:40.000 Here, let me give you some Adolf Hitler records. 0.84

00:09:42.000 I love listening to Hitler speeches, don't you? 0.92

00:09:44.000 Oh yes, Arnold, let's give you some Simon Wiesenthal Center awards. 0.99

00:09:51.000 So it's just the same ridiculous hypocrisy. 0.94

00:09:54.000 I don't want to hear anybody criticize the Aryan Nations, or anybody criticize the Ku Klux Klan, by the way, which I think are unsavory government-controlled organizations. 0.96

00:10:05.000 I don't want to hear you criticize them if you're out here lauding Alberto Gonzales.

00:10:10.000 And let me ask the Mexican supremacist a question, too.

00:10:13.000 Because I know you're out there, I get your hateful emails and stuff occasionally. 0.55

00:10:17.000 I want to ask you a question. 0.86

00:10:19.000 Why is George Bush, you can't get any more waspish than him, Why is George Bush with all his Nazi connections, and his daddy's Nazi connections, and his daddy's Nazi connections, and all of it? 0.73

00:10:32.000 Why are they supporting Alberto Gonzales?

00:10:35.000 Because Wall Street wants to break up America.

00:10:38.000 Wall Street wants our guns.

00:10:39.000 Wall Street wants to sell us that torture's okay.

00:10:44.000 Wall Street owns the media, and almost every show out there is promoting it.

00:10:49.000 What's that?

00:10:51.000 All right, we've got our guest.

00:10:52.000 So coming up, we're going to talk about Alberto, I Love Torture, Gonzalez, this horrible new Attorney General, and we've got Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America coming on to expose this creature.

00:11:04.000 So you do not want to miss this interview that is coming up in the next hour.

00:11:10.000 All right, we have our guest from Russia.

00:11:14.000 First time we've had a guest on from Russia.

00:11:16.000 We've had him on from Germany and England and Australia and Mexico.

00:11:19.000 But first time we've had a guest on from Russia.

00:11:22.000 And he's Victor Cherkashin.

00:11:25.000 And he's got a bio about 100 feet long.

00:11:29.000 And his book, Spy Handler, is the gripping insider eyewitness account of the veteran KGB officer who led the recruitment and running of the United States' most damaging and notorious Cold War spies, the CIA's Aldrich Ames and the FBI's Robert Hanson.

00:11:47.000 And he was in the KGB for 40 years, got the Lennon Award, Uh, you name it.

00:11:53.000 So we're talking to the master spy handler.

00:11:57.000 And, uh, Victor Cherkashian, great to have you on with us.

00:12:01.000 Thanks for spending time.

00:12:03.000 Uh, good evening, or it's better to say good day.

00:12:07.000 I'm really happy to be with you.

00:12:09.000 Well, it's good to have you on with us.

00:12:13.000 You can probably talk about yourself a little bit better than I can.

00:12:16.000 In a nutshell, or in a snapshot, tell us a little bit about yourself and why you wrote this book.

00:12:24.000 The reason is very simple.

00:12:28.000 I retired from the service nearly 15 years back, that is, 14 years, in 1991, from the Soviet intelligence.

00:12:35.000 from the Soviet intelligence.

00:12:39.000 And I served in the counterintelligence department for really about 30 years at the time, by the time, or 40 years, I'm sorry.

00:12:53.000 And that was the period of the Cold War and the period of confrontation of the intelligence services of the United States and the Soviet Union.

00:13:04.000 Now you were a colonel, you were a colonel in the KGB and that's higher than other ranks, I mean that's the equivalent, that's next to the highest level, correct?

00:13:14.000 No, no, the colonel is a colonel.

00:13:17.000 It's not the general, it's not the lieutenant, it's just the colonel, it's the rank.

00:13:22.000 Alright, well explain to me what your, because you describe yourself as a master spy handler.

00:13:31.000 I mean, what was your main job?

00:13:35.000 My job was to try to prevent the attempts on the part of the foreign intelligence agencies, including the intelligence of the United States, to penetrate the

00:13:52.000 the Soviet Union to undermine the security of the Soviet Union and that was my job through the whole career and that was I had been doing.

00:14:05.000 Who would you say was more successful overall in infiltrating the Soviet Union or the United States?

00:14:14.000 There have been several publications lately including in the United States, the States certainly, about the activities of the intelligence agencies during the Cold War.

00:14:28.000 And in some of those publications, the credit had been awarded to the intelligence of the United States as the winner in the Cold War. the credit had been awarded to the intelligence of the I wouldn't say that because no one won in the Cold War.

00:14:53.000 We just, both countries won the most important thing.

00:14:59.000 where it prevented the Cold War turning into hot work.

00:15:09.000 Talking about?

00:15:10.000 That was, I think, the most important achievement on both sides.

00:15:15.000 As for the intelligence, I'm still of the opinion that the Soviet intelligence was and had been the most effective and the Soviet intelligence was not defeated in the Cold War.

00:15:33.000 So you think the biggest achievement was mutually assured destruction and not having a thermal nuclear exchange?

00:15:39.000 It's just a grip.

00:15:41.000 You would describe it as a stalemate?

00:15:45.000 That's not the point.

00:15:47.000 It's just statement.

00:15:50.000 Sir, again, I want to talk about your book, but I want to get some of my little questions out of the way first, because as is described here in the news, you were one of the top people over recruiting spies in the United States, and I want to go over that, but I've got a few other questions for you, and obviously you're there in Russia under him today, but Vladimir Putin has been I think it's impossible.

00:16:14.000 some of the old Soviet forms the regional governors Vladimir Putin has been putting the red star and hammer and sickle back on the tanks back on the uniforms would you say that that the former Soviet Union is rising again and I think it's impossible though I am a strong supporter of the Soviet Union

00:16:36.000 I'm I still believe in the potentials of the Soviet Union of the Soviet Union structure and the economy of the Soviet Union but But I understand that there is no way back in the development of mankind and you won't be able to change anything.

00:16:56.000 We have to move ahead.

00:16:58.000 As for the changes that you are observing in Russia these days, I think it's only natural that the government and the president are trying to find the best solutions to the problems arising in the new Russia.

00:17:21.000 And we're supporting, we're trying to support the president in that.

00:17:28.000 Your current president, Vladimir Putin, obviously was KGB, then FSB, but he was a chief over Uh, Leningrad, it has a different name every few years, but uh, do you know Vladimir Putin?

00:17:42.000 Do you know what?

00:17:44.000 Do you know Vladimir Putin?

00:17:49.000 Uh, I didn't get the left word.

00:17:51.000 Uh, Vladimir Putin, can you tell us about his days at the KGB?

00:17:56.000 Oh, no, I never had any information, I've never met him, and uh, The only thing I know is that he was a KGB man.

00:18:12.000 That doesn't compromise anyone nowadays.

00:18:15.000 I think it's only natural that the KGB people were the most dedicated, the most educated.

00:18:24.000 They were professionals and they were patriots of their country.

00:18:27.000 Why shouldn't they be deprived of their rights?

00:18:29.000 Well, look at George Herbert Walker Bush.

00:18:32.000 I mean, he was a CIA director.

00:18:34.000 Ah, yes.

00:18:35.000 And he wasn't the worst president of the United States, by the way.

00:18:40.000 He was one of the good presidents, isn't he?

00:18:42.000 You like George Herbert Walker Bush.

00:18:44.000 Why not?

00:18:46.000 What do you think of his New World Order?

00:18:49.000 You know, it's a complicated question.

00:18:55.000 I think the United States might get into additional trouble with that, but that's up to... You think the United States is going to have some problems with the New World Order?

00:19:08.000 Might, quite easily.

00:19:10.000 Yeah, I think they're already having some problems with it.

00:19:13.000 Well, again, we're talking to the author of Spy Handler, Memoir of a KGB Officer, The True Story of the Man Who Recruited Robert Hanson and Aldrich Ames.

00:19:26.000 We're honored to have him on with us.

00:19:27.000 We're about to break, sir, and I want to come back and get into your book itself and your view from the inside of how you recruited these individuals and basically your take on it, okay?

00:19:40.000 Okay.

00:19:41.000 Thank you.

00:19:41.000 We'll be right back, alright?

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00:24:22.000 And Now, continuing, Mr. Cherkashian, or Colonel Cherkashian, I should say, tell us about your memoir here, and then describe for us, please, about how you recruited Robert Hanson and Aldrich James and others.

00:24:44.000 I wouldn't put that question that way.

00:24:47.000 I told them that in the profession of intelligence, recruitment is one of the means of bringing the people to understanding.

00:25:03.000 And you shouldn't overestimate the role of a person.

00:25:10.000 It could be a master spy or a master recruiter.

00:25:15.000 It doesn't mean at all anything.

00:25:17.000 The most important part is if a person with the information decides himself, for himself in the first place, to do something he considers to be the right thing to do.

00:25:36.000 Without that, you won't be able to get anything.

00:25:43.000 There will be no recruitment at all.

00:25:47.000 You salve the conscience.

00:25:48.000 We're doing this to stop war. 0.71

00:25:50.000 We're doing this to really come together and also lots of cash involved.

00:25:54.000 That's never bad either.

00:25:58.000 The cash is the most important part in the whole business.

00:26:03.000 It's the state of mind.

00:26:05.000 Okay, well how did you become friends with Robert Hanson and Aldrich Haynes?

00:26:10.000 I've never met any Hanson.

00:26:13.000 But I mean through your intermediaries, I'm reading from the publisher here, through your intermediaries you were the spy handler.

00:26:18.000 I mean how did this happen?

00:26:19.000 Yeah, that's another story because I've never seen Hanson.

00:26:27.000 I've never approached him.

00:26:30.000 I've never had the information we are referring to in the book also because it's taken from the publication after his arrest.

00:26:41.000 And the same procedure with Aldrich Ains.

00:26:46.000 Believe me that the information sometimes, you don't get the information directly.

00:26:55.000 It's information that Just explain to me, I mean, I want to know how this relationship was formed.

00:27:00.000 the whole information is coming and well it says here colonel that you are the one controlling them so such a from your book just explain to me I mean I want to know how this how this relationship was formed the relationship usually usually the relationship depends on your of your of your entity if you are friendly

00:27:25.000 if you want to help a person if you if you think about him about his security that will make the relation and how'd you feel when they got caught as any normal person distressed and certainly sorry for for that yeah now I bet they didn't find the tip of the iceberg of your spies, did they?

00:27:54.000 I bet they didn't find one-tenth of the real moles, though, did they?

00:27:59.000 The second...

00:28:02.000 Say anything about that.

00:28:05.000 Oh, you can't talk about that?

00:28:07.000 I didn't quite get the question.

00:28:10.000 Well, what I'm saying is, is how many of the KGB spies did the CIA or NSA catch?

00:28:23.000 I'm sorry, it might be something on the line, but I can't get the question.

00:28:31.000 How many of your spies got caught by the United States government?

00:28:35.000 Ah, you mean how many spies?

00:28:39.000 Yes, sir.

00:28:39.000 I'm sure they didn't catch all of your spies.

00:28:43.000 I would like to believe in that myself, but I don't have that information whether they've got any spies or not.

00:28:50.000 Of course, the FSB, I'm sure, and others still have them operating here today.

00:28:55.000 They might be.

00:28:56.000 What do you think about Israel spying?

00:29:00.000 I've read that it's even bigger than your spying.

00:29:04.000 I do agree with you that the Israelis have really efficient and effective intelligence.

00:29:15.000 I do agree with you that the whole life of the country has been made to have better intelligence.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, I've read that about half our Congress is blackmailed by Israel. 0.64

00:29:34.000 I'm sorry for your congressman.

00:29:38.000 All right, stay there, sir.

00:29:40.000 One more segment with you after this quick break, and we'll come back and talk more about the book, Spy Handler.

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00:33:11.000 We're talking to Victor Cherkashian.

00:33:14.000 And this is from the publisher of the book, Spy Handler.

00:33:17.000 In this riveting memoir, Cherkashin provides a remarkable insider's view of the KGB's prolonged conflict with the United States, spanning his recruitment through his rising career in the counterintelligence to his prime spot as the KGB's number two man at the Soviet Embassy in Washington.

00:33:35.000 Cherkashin's story sheds stark new light on the KGB's inner workings over four decades and reveals new details about its major cases.

00:33:44.000 But it was in 1985, known as the Year of the Spy, that Cherkashin scored two of the biggest coups of the Cold War. 0.59

00:33:51.000 In April of that year, Cherkashin recruited disgruntled CIA officer Aldrich Ames and became his principal handler.

00:33:59.000 Refuting and clarifying other published versions, Sherkashian offers the most complete account of how and why Ames turned against his country.

00:34:07.000 As with Ames, Sherkashian also reveals new details about Hansen's recruitment and later exposure, as only he can.

00:34:14.000 He also addresses the evidence that suggests that there is an undiscovered KGB spy That's what I wanted to raise earlier with him.

00:34:23.000 Another Hanson or Ames still at large.

00:34:25.000 How about hundreds of them?

00:34:28.000 Spy Handler is a major addition to the Cold War history, hold by one of its key participants.

00:34:34.000 And Victor Treccascio, who is a retired KGB colonel, was awarded the prestigious Order of Lenin during his four decades working for the KGB.

00:34:43.000 He was stationed at various times in the West during his four decades working for the KGB.

00:34:48.000 He was stationed at various times, again, in Germany, India, Australia, Lebanon, Washington, D.C.

00:34:53.000 Following his retirement, he began a private security company in Russia, which he still runs.

00:34:57.000 He lives in Moscow.

00:34:59.000 Gregory Pfeiffer holds a B.A.

00:35:02.000 and M.A.

00:35:02.000 in Russian Studies from Harvard.

00:35:04.000 Helped write the book.

00:35:05.000 A former Radio Free Europe Moscow correspondent.

00:35:07.000 Pfeiffer lived in Russia from 1998 to 2003.

00:35:11.000 He covered Russia's politics for the number of publications including the Moscow Times, World Policy Journal, and Agency French Press.

00:35:18.000 He lives in New York City.

00:35:20.000 And again, the book, ladies and gentlemen, is Spy Handler.

00:35:25.000 Alright.

00:35:27.000 Victor Cherkashian, Colonel Cherkashian, continuing, of the Israeli intelligence, British MI6, CIA, who would you say is the most ruthless from your 40 years in the KGB looking out from the inside?

00:35:47.000 Who would you say was the most vicious?

00:35:49.000 Who used the most vicious tactics, you know, overall?

00:35:57.000 That's a very complicated question to answer.

00:35:59.000 You know, in the history of all the intelligence services, there have been periods when the intelligence services used ruthless and very severe and different methods.

00:36:19.000 I'm not in a position to judge, to be a judge, who was the champion and that.

00:36:28.000 In my opinion, every intelligence service has its share in that black, I would say, black business. 1.00

00:36:40.000 Black ops? 0.63

00:36:44.000 Wet work? 0.97

00:36:46.000 But I mean, certain intelligence agencies are known for using sex.

00:36:49.000 I mean, they all do it, but some more than others.

00:36:52.000 Some are known just for using flat-out torture, or killing, or, you know, and there's combinations of all of it, but what would you say the KGB's specialty was, and is today, under FSB terms?

00:37:07.000 I would say that for the last 30 years, at least, of the existence of the Soviet, even not Soviet, but 40 years of the existence of the Soviet intelligence.

00:37:22.000 The people in the intelligence tried to use the most human method, that is friendliness, help and understanding.

00:37:35.000 That is, with the methods of the kind you're saying that Using women, blackmail, and all that. 0.93

00:37:43.000 I think somewhere in the beginning, perhaps, that was a popular method.

00:37:48.000 But not lately.

00:37:49.000 Lately, it's more the basis for mutual struggle for peace, for security of the countries, for understanding.

00:38:04.000 I think that was more important than the rest of the methods.

00:38:10.000 Very interesting.

00:38:12.000 But I've heard some pretty scary stories about the KGB's dungeons.

00:38:19.000 I guess you can't talk about that or don't know anything about that, huh?

00:38:22.000 I've never been in a position to deal with all those tricks.

00:38:28.000 You were in a different compartmentalized area?

00:38:33.000 You were in a different area.

00:38:34.000 You were in recruitment, so you weren't in interrogation.

00:38:37.000 That's a different, yes.

00:38:39.000 Quite different.

00:38:42.000 Was the KGB a purely pyramidal structure like the CIA in a compartmentalized system, or was it circular in your opinion?

00:38:53.000 I think every intelligence service, KGB was certainly compartmentalized.

00:39:01.000 What would you say, though, out of, say, Mossad, MI6, CIA, KGB, GRU, whatever, which one is the most pyramidal in its structure?

00:39:14.000 I think the British.

00:39:16.000 British?

00:39:18.000 Yes, I think so. 0.99

00:39:19.000 Actually, I was going to say, aren't they some of the most sneaky and vicious?

00:39:28.000 I think the British intelligence had the history behind them of different periods and using different methods and they're more experienced.

00:39:44.000 So are you saying the British are the slickest? 1.00

00:39:48.000 That's my opinion.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, well that's my opinion too.

00:39:53.000 But I would say most active though now would be the Mossad, really.

00:39:59.000 The Mossad, I wouldn't say they had the coverage, that coverage as the... But they know where to cover, right here in the United States.

00:40:09.000 Certainly the Mossad, Mossad, the Israelis, have the potential. 1.00

00:40:16.000 They've got their ties and their resources and sources as well in different countries where they have the communities.

00:40:25.000 And certainly in that they have the privilege.

00:40:32.000 I wanted to bring up terrorism. 0.97

00:40:36.000 A lot of your people in your government today have said that they think Western intelligence agencies could be involved in 9-11, but at the same time members of the FSB and others have gone public.

00:40:48.000 And I don't expect you to answer this, but the 1999 bombings where they caught FSB in a fourth apartment and then the FSB said it was just a drill.

00:41:00.000 You've got any comments about the use of terrorism by governments to blame it on their enemies?

00:41:07.000 I think it's a very dangerous path to step upon.

00:41:13.000 And if you do that, then there is a danger that you'll become a terrorist organization yourself.

00:41:22.000 Oh yeah!

00:41:24.000 Were you aware of Operation Northwoods?

00:41:27.000 Uh, that, you know, Kennedy had been a hawk and was doubling military funding, was for the Vietnam War, but then L.L.

00:41:34.000 and said, this is now a minute, we have the document, and said, we want to hijack jets, crash them, we want to bomb DC, we want to have US troops dress up like Cubans and attack the Marine Corps base and kill Marines, we want to have sniper attacks in Miami and DC, blame it on the Cubans we want to have sniper attacks in Miami and DC, blame it on the Cubans and then the Russians, and have Kennedy freaked out, called up Khrushchev and said,

00:42:01.000 You better back off with this Cuban Missile Crisis stuff or they're going to have a coup and they're going to nuke you and then the Russians kind of pulled back and then of course the military industrial complex here did indeed kill Kennedy.

00:42:16.000 Were you aware of that?

00:42:18.000 No, I don't think so.

00:42:20.000 You weren't aware of Operation Northwoods?

00:42:23.000 No.

00:42:24.000 Do you have a search engine in front of you?

00:42:27.000 Do you have what?

00:42:29.000 Do you have a computer in front of you?

00:42:31.000 No, no, I don't.

00:42:34.000 Do you have a computer?

00:42:35.000 Yeah, I do have, but not at the moment.

00:42:38.000 Well, when you're done, will you type Operation Northwoods in?

00:42:42.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:42:43.000 I know about that.

00:42:44.000 I know about those rumors, but I think it's the history where politics We're playing the main part, the main role in the whole story.

00:43:01.000 Well, I'm going to be honest with you.

00:43:03.000 I think China, Russia, all these countries did horrible things and were run by despots.

00:43:09.000 But I'll be honest, our government is run by an even more sophisticated criminal oligarchy.

00:43:13.000 We're now shifting into a fascist system where they communalize our wealth and give it to select corporations.

00:43:20.000 And our government is taking what the Stasi did, what the Russians did, the worst stuff the Russians did, and actually perfecting it, and is using government-sponsored terror for world empire, and I wanted to get your comment on that. 0.78

00:43:35.000 I'm glad you understand all that, and I'm sure you'll try to do something about that, to change the situation, for the better of the world, certainly.

00:43:48.000 Are you aware that our government is contracting with the former head of the KGB, that they've hired Primakov as a consultant?

00:43:56.000 Are you aware that they've even hired as a consultant the Silver Fox?

00:44:01.000 Were you aware that they had hired the former head of the Stasi to help them set up their internal passports?

00:44:09.000 I know that the United States, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, And the intelligence service of the United States has made a lot to get the access to the information of the Stasi and the rest of the Socialist Republic's special services.

00:44:32.000 I know that there have been attempts, and not only attempts, but real moves to establish relations with the Russian intelligence But believe me, this is the influence of the new situation.

00:44:51.000 The new situation that dictates the situation when the United States is the prime country in the world.

00:45:02.000 The country which is trying to dictate, to impose their Uh, way of life and their priorities in life to other people.

00:45:17.000 But I want to make it clear.

00:45:18.000 Certainly, certainly they have the influence.

00:45:21.000 But, Colonel, let's make it clear.

00:45:23.000 The corporations that own America are just like the six oligarchs that own Russia today.

00:45:29.000 They don't represent the Russian people or the American people, and the intelligence agencies are just their hired corporate enforcers.

00:45:37.000 And so when you say America's taking over, no, America's been taken over, and now we're being used as an engine, like Napoleon used France, to take over the planet.

00:45:48.000 That's a very interesting assumption.

00:45:52.000 I've never thought about that.

00:45:54.000 Oh, I bet you have.

00:45:56.000 Certainly you know that the Russian system turned into an engine of empire.

00:45:59.000 Yes.

00:46:01.000 I know that in Russia we have different systems now where we have the formation of new and completely different to what we had in the Soviet Union, economical structure with the oligarchs, with the influence on the government actually.

00:46:26.000 But that's not the free market!

00:46:27.000 You see, that's what communists were able to point out, is look at these corporations, look at these capitalists, they're bad!

00:46:35.000 But that's not the free market, these are just organized criminals, who then parade around calling themselves free market when they actually engineer the government to put all the people's funds into their own coffers.

00:46:46.000 And so we've never really had a free market.

00:46:48.000 We've had a quasi-free market, and it produced the greatest industrial engine ever seen here in America.

00:46:54.000 Now we're going into stagnation, into more of a command and control system, and I think the whole left-right paradigm is a fraud.

00:47:03.000 I think what we need now is the KGB in its force until 1991.

00:47:12.000 There is the organization that could really get to the point and getting the resources and the human resources to clear up the situation.

00:47:27.000 Unfortunately, I'm now a pensioner, and I'm not very keen on politics anymore.

00:47:35.000 Well I understand what you're talking about and I do agree in the most part of your discussion.

00:47:45.000 But that's something that we have to cope with.

00:47:50.000 That's the reality.

00:47:51.000 Why do you think George Herbert Walker is good?

00:47:53.000 I've read that early on he actually tried to keep Gorbachev in and didn't want Yeltsin in there.

00:48:00.000 I wonder why Bush Sr.

00:48:02.000 wouldn't want Yeltsin in?

00:48:06.000 The reason is very simple.

00:48:12.000 I think the United States at the moment is interested in being on good terms with Russia.

00:48:22.000 That's all.

00:48:26.000 And so George Bush Sr., why do you say Herbert Walker's good?

00:48:30.000 Earlier you said George W. Bush's daddy was a good guy.

00:48:39.000 Why are you saying Herbert Walker's good?

00:48:43.000 I'm not telling... that was sort of a joke, you know.

00:48:46.000 I'm not in a position to judge your people, your presidents.

00:48:52.000 I can tell you something about their politics, which I don't agree with.

00:48:58.000 Let me ask you this.

00:49:00.000 You say you're aware of Operation Northwoods.

00:49:03.000 What do you think of the fact that the military in this country wanted to go to war with you that bad?

00:49:12.000 I didn't quite get the question.

00:49:14.000 You say you were aware of Operation Northwoods.

00:49:17.000 Yes.

00:49:18.000 When were you aware of that?

00:49:21.000 Quite a bit of time back.

00:49:25.000 How many years?

00:49:26.000 Decades?

00:49:29.000 Might be.

00:49:31.000 Did you even know the name of the program at that time?

00:49:35.000 No.

00:49:37.000 I can't tell you exactly because I'm judging by the memory which sometimes might let me down.

00:49:48.000 But you were aware of plans by this government to carry out terror attacks in America as a pretext for war.

00:50:00.000 I would like to develop all that subject because I'm not an expert on that.

00:50:07.000 Alright, well, it's been interesting having you on.

00:50:14.000 Your observations that I've been listening to are very, very interesting and very instructive.

00:50:22.000 I will send them all, and I'm afraid I will agree to most of the parts you said, you mentioned right now.

00:50:30.000 Thanks a lot.

00:50:31.000 Well, look, we're creating common ground together.

00:50:33.000 Alright, well, Victor Trakashin, thank you so much for coming on.

00:50:38.000 The book is Spy Handler.

00:50:41.000 Take care, and stay warm over in Moscow.

00:50:45.000 Bye-bye.

00:50:47.000 All right, we'll come back.

00:50:48.000 I've got some comments about this interview, and we'll cover news.

00:50:50.000 And we've got Larry Pratt coming on to defend the Second Amendment against Alberto I Hate America Gonzalez. 1.00

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00:54:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:54:15.000 Well, we were talking to Victor Cherkashian, and you know, he was trying to manipulate me there at the end.

00:54:21.000 Oh, yes.

00:54:22.000 You know, we're buddies.

00:54:24.000 This is how they do that.

00:54:26.000 That's what our media does.

00:54:27.000 Oh, we're your buddies.

00:54:28.000 Give us your guns.

00:54:30.000 Oh, the government's your friend.

00:54:32.000 We're all doing this.

00:54:33.000 We're all collaborating together.

00:54:36.000 But talking to that guy, he was real slippery as you could hear.

00:54:39.000 He didn't answer a lot of my questions, but overall it was still interesting.

00:54:46.000 So you're welcome to comment on that.

00:54:47.000 You know, I haven't given the phone number out yet, but the phone lines are loaded.

00:54:50.000 We got Larry Pratt coming up, but early In that interview, I'll go to your calls, I guess about whatever issue you want to talk about, because Larry Pratt is a fellow patriot, truth seeker, freedom lover, and he's an expert on many different subjects, and it all affects our Second Amendment.

00:55:05.000 So all of you that are holding, who called in without me giving out the number, that's fine, we'll go to you.

00:55:11.000 Alberto Gonzales wants your guns!

00:55:13.000 He doesn't just want the assault of Japan, he wants more! 1.00

00:55:17.000 And I know that's conservative, so I'm a liberal.

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00:55:21.000 They're in the new fake paradigm, but uh... that's coming up plus ten-year-olds arrested for drawing stick figures with knives.

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00:59:08.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:12.000 You know, I tune in to Neocon talk show hosts every day when I'm out driving around in my car in the morning, the afternoon, the evening.

00:59:24.000 And with almost no exception, they go, the evil liberals Why, they're gonna get your guns.

00:59:32.000 The evil liberals, they're for open borders.

00:59:34.000 The evil liberals, they're for signing on to UNESCO treaties in the UN.

00:59:40.000 The evil liberals, they're... And then I go look at Congress, and it's actually Democrats are voting more often than with Bush on most issues than Republicans are.

00:59:52.000 Which is why you could still call me a conservative at some level.

00:59:55.000 According to the, you know, popular term.

00:59:58.000 But I look at Bush's nominees.

01:00:00.000 I mean, I look at... I look at the man who went after Judge Roy Moore in Alabama, who was the Attorney General there.

01:00:07.000 Bush promotes him to a federal judgeship.

01:00:09.000 I look at Condoleezza Rice, a gun-grabbing, open-border-promoting, un-American person. 1.00

01:00:14.000 I look at Alberto Gonzalez, a member of Mecha La Raza for open borders, for gun control, for torture, helped write the Patriot Acts that attacked the Second Amendment, And, uh, I hear the limbaws of the world going, hail, hail, uh, Alberto.

01:00:32.000 Uh, boy, he's a good conservative.

01:00:35.000 The evil liberals are trying to stop him.

01:00:37.000 And that's just not true.

01:00:40.000 And so, we're going to lose the Second Amendment, folks.

01:00:42.000 I mean, you, you think Ash, you know, Ashcroft's pro-Second Amendment.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, he said, it's prescribed by law.

01:00:48.000 He's saying the law, some little petty regulation, is above the Second Amendment.

01:00:52.000 Nothing is, but God Almighty.

01:00:55.000 Nothing is.

01:00:56.000 It just points out our God-given rights.

01:00:59.000 You can't change it.

01:01:00.000 It's inalienable.

01:01:02.000 It cannot be altered.

01:01:04.000 It's set in stone.

01:01:06.000 And Gonzales, oh, my brother's a SWAT team commander, and I'm for the assault weapons ban, and I'm for gun control generally.

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01:01:40.000 Hey, it's good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good N, N, N, N, N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N And N And N So I guess we got the Assaults Ban down for now, but they're back with a vengeance and it's Republicans!

01:01:51.000 Well, we have an Attorney General nominee, as you know, Mr. Gonzalez, who volunteered that he really supports gun control in his heart.

01:02:03.000 He didn't just say he agrees with his boss that, yeah, if you put the renewal of the Clinton ban on his desk, he'll sign it, and I agree with that, and I'm with my boss.

01:02:13.000 No, no, no, he went on to say how much he really supports gun control.

01:02:17.000 Hey, that's really wonderful to have the Attorney General, who, after all, Ashcroft was one example, But they all tend to get a crack at litigation that goes up to the Supreme Court on the gun issue.

01:02:32.000 And Ashcroft, I think, was on the wrong side.

01:02:36.000 There was that Dr. Timothy, oh, golly, I just went brain dead, the Texas physician who got slammed for having a gun from a domestic misdemeanor.

01:02:46.000 And that went through the Fifth Circuit, and they ruled fairly well.

01:02:52.000 And on appeal of the Supreme Court, they wouldn't listen to the requirement that the Fifth had put on it, that it had to go back and be reheard in court.

01:03:03.000 And Ashcroft was there arguing that, no, this didn't violate anybody's Second Amendment rights to have an ex post facto law take away your Second Amendment rights.

01:03:15.000 So, that was a pretty significant case, I thought, and it certainly vindicated our not having supported Ashcroft when he was up for nomination, and we're not supporting Gonzales either.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, but Gonzales is even worse.

01:03:29.000 It sounds like it.

01:03:30.000 It sounds like it.

01:03:31.000 Larry Pratt, stay there.

01:03:32.000 We'll be right back to go over Gonzales' activities, what we're facing with the Bush administration, The fight has just begun and most conservatives are sucking their thumbs in the corner thinking they've died and gone to heaven. 0.99

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01:06:58.000 All right, most of my conservative friends have gone to sleep.

01:07:04.000 They'll look me in the eyes and say, Hey, how dare you talk bad about Alberto Gonzalez?

01:07:10.000 We'll see you next time.

01:07:11.000 And I tell them he's a member of Mecha, which is openly the equivalent of a Hispanic Klan group. 0.97

01:07:16.000 And their own website talks about killing whites and driving them out of the U.S. 0.88

01:07:20.000 I mean, it's scary stuff out of the Southwest. 0.99

01:07:23.000 He's for open borders.

01:07:25.000 He's for gun bans.

01:07:27.000 He is for not telling parents when their 12-year-old daughter goes and has an abortion.

01:07:33.000 It's pro-abortion. 0.93

01:07:35.000 I mean, this guy actually out-Clinton's Clinton.

01:07:38.000 And he's your new Attorney General.

01:07:40.000 Gonna be your new Attorney General, approved already in one section of the Congress.

01:07:44.000 So, this is what we're facing right now.

01:07:47.000 And whereas Ashcroft, on the surface, said I'm for the Second Amendment if prescribed by law, and then, as Larry Proud was saying, of the Governors of America in the last little segment, he went to federal court time and time again and actually argued against it.

01:08:00.000 And Bush got up and gave speeches.

01:08:02.000 Hey, I'm for the Second Amendment.

01:08:04.000 And people called in and said, Oh, she's for the Second Amendment, Alex. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Well, I mean, you know, a serial killer tells a woman he just wants to give her a ride, too.

01:08:13.000 Doesn't mean he's telling the truth.

01:08:15.000 And this is what I'm sick of.

01:08:17.000 I don't listen to what they say.

01:08:18.000 Watch what they do.

01:08:20.000 That's what Larry Pratt does, is he watches what Lord Bush does.

01:08:23.000 And I mean, everybody Bush is putting in are a bunch of anti-American gun grabbers.

01:08:27.000 I mean, his second time in, when he's not facing re-election, he's showing us what he is, like his daddy.

01:08:32.000 A New World Order right.

01:08:33.000 And Larry Pratt looks like we got some tough going here.

01:08:37.000 And I don't even know if most of the conservatives out there know there's a ball game going right now.

01:08:41.000 So far, it's been a little lonely in leading the opposition to Mr. Gonzalez.

01:08:49.000 In truth, I'm sure Bush is not likely to change his mind on this, but part of it is because he is getting support from the conservatives by and large, and I guess it's because, well, gee, it's a Republican Hispanic. 0.77

01:09:04.000 Well, he may be a Republican, certainly an Hispanic, but as you've pointed out, He's got a background and it's not as if you have to put your hand over your eyes and say, let me see now, what will the spirit reveal to me?

01:09:20.000 No, the guy's got a public record.

01:09:22.000 He was a judge in Texas and he did take part in positions... Larry, hold on a second.

01:09:29.000 Can we boost Larry's audio?

01:09:31.000 Go ahead, Larry.

01:09:32.000 Okay, fine.

01:09:33.000 No, no, no.

01:09:33.000 Sorry about that.

01:09:34.000 Go ahead.

01:09:34.000 I hope we're coming through all right.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, you are.

01:09:36.000 I can tweak it on this end, too.

01:09:39.000 But he was part of decisions in the Texas court that were pro-abortion, and he has been associated with these radical Mexican groups that, as far as I can tell, they're not even pro- Spaniard.

01:09:55.000 They're pro-Aztec.

01:09:58.000 These are the guys that I guess would like to return to cutting your heart out while you're a live victim of their idol worship.

01:10:08.000 That's the kind of revangeism that I see coming out of La Raza.

01:10:14.000 Actually, we've been to their rallies and they have pictures of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people with their brains blown out or with Aztec warriors cutting their hearts out.

01:10:22.000 And 95% of Hispanics I talk to don't like this organization.

01:10:27.000 But it just so happens he's a member of that.

01:10:28.000 I mean, we could have found lots of Hispanics who would have made great U.S. 0.97

01:10:34.000 Attorney General.

01:10:35.000 So we're not against having a Hispanic Attorney General.

01:10:37.000 I don't care.

01:10:38.000 In fact, I wouldn't care if the whole cabinet was Hispanic if they reinstate the Constitution and Bill of Rights. 1.00

01:10:42.000 Absolutely.

01:10:43.000 It would sound very good in Spanish or in English as long as it's the Constitution.

01:10:50.000 And it translates into Spanish.

01:10:51.000 I speak Spanish.

01:10:52.000 I can do that for you if we need to.

01:10:54.000 But this is a very disturbing situation that we're playing ethnic politics above anything else.

01:11:04.000 And that may be all part of a clever Karl Rove design.

01:11:09.000 to take Hispanics away from the Democrat Party and there's some evidence that the plan may be working.

01:11:17.000 Yeah, Bush got 35% of the Hispanic vote, which is unprecedented for Republicans, but again, what does he put in?

01:11:22.000 A bunch of Hillaryites, basically. 1.00

01:11:25.000 Well, it's not something that pleases me.

01:11:29.000 And frankly, with the election of somebody like Mel Martinez, you've got evidence that you don't have to have some kind of left-winger that Hispanics will support.

01:11:41.000 Martinez, I thought, was... Well, I was pleasantly surprised when during the campaign he referred to the kidnappers of Elian Gonzalez as jack-booted thugs.

01:11:53.000 That's not a real friendly thing to say about Janet Reno, but then Janet Reno was not a real friendly sort of person.

01:12:01.000 And he said, well, yeah, I respect the Second Amendment.

01:12:05.000 That was what Castro went after in order to take the rest of our liberties away, and that's why I'm a refugee.

01:12:11.000 Well, why can't we get somebody like that?

01:12:13.000 You know, Bush put him in as Housing Secretary.

01:12:16.000 Why can't we?

01:12:17.000 Is he the only one that believes like that?

01:12:20.000 No, I don't think so.

01:12:21.000 I know a lot of Hispanics, and you don't have to go to the Mr. Gonzalez's of the world to find somebody for a position.

01:12:29.000 Well, it's a total distraction from what's really happening.

01:12:31.000 Again, we have the NRA.

01:12:34.000 Go lobby last year.

01:12:35.000 I read their case on air.

01:12:37.000 They're filing.

01:12:38.000 And it said, we are for all guns to be registered in the District of Columbia.

01:12:42.000 We believe you shouldn't be able to leave your home with a gun.

01:12:44.000 Their argument for the Second Amendment was that there was no Second Amendment.

01:12:48.000 Of course, they even lost the case.

01:12:52.000 Well, the silence is pretty deafening on most of the right, and I think part of it is they just figure, well, why bother?

01:13:04.000 Well, I agree.

01:13:06.000 I'm not too hopeful that we're likely to win this fight.

01:13:09.000 But on the other hand, if we let Bush do whatever he wants, and he never hears any opposition, guess what he's going to think?

01:13:16.000 Huh, they must not have a problem.

01:13:18.000 I think even if we are not sure we're going to win this fight, and we've entered lots of fights in the past where we weren't sure that we were going to be able to prevail, we were convinced that at a minimum you communicate to the other side that If you're going to do something like this, it's going to hurt you.

01:13:37.000 Even if you get what you want in the end, have you really considered how high the price is going to be?

01:13:44.000 Well, when Bill Clinton got the assault weapons ban passed, people panicked.

01:13:49.000 It's all the limbaus the world talked about.

01:13:51.000 People were going into gun shows with giant pallets, grabbing everything they could.

01:13:55.000 People at gun shops were freaking out, talking about a revolution, and Bush says he's for it, wants to re-pass it, and then goes, well, I guess we better just turn our guns in!

01:14:05.000 I'm pretty concerned.

01:14:06.000 I mean, that is sick!

01:14:08.000 Well, it cost the Democrats control of the Congress, so far.

01:14:13.000 Well, we're going to find out what these so-called conservatives want.

01:14:16.000 Do they want to just stick a W sticker on their car and feel conservative?

01:14:19.000 Do they love Bush more than they love the Second Amendment?

01:14:23.000 Well, this is going to be one of those moments of truth because there's a lot more than, as you've indicated already, there's a lot more than just the gun issue at stake.

01:14:32.000 I would say, I don't know where he is on taxes, but I would imagine with the company he's kept, he's probably pretty bad on that too.

01:14:40.000 There you have described with abortion taxes and guns pretty much the core of the Republican base.

01:14:47.000 And here's a guy being put In a very conspicuous position, in a time when we're involved in a war on terror and the Justice Department is grabbing more and more power in the name of fighting that fight, and the whole conservative movement, the Republican base, is just going to sit there and watch it?

01:15:06.000 That's a little disappointing, shall we say.

01:15:09.000 Well, that's because they don't know.

01:15:11.000 Most cities don't get this radio show.

01:15:13.000 They're listening to the Wieners and the Limbaughs and the rest of them who are not telling them. 1.00

01:15:18.000 Well, they certainly, hopefully, some of them, are getting our email.

01:15:22.000 And as you probably know, we've put out an email alert to our members saying, hey, you know, we've got to communicate to Bush.

01:15:30.000 He can't get the idea that he can do whatever he wants.

01:15:34.000 however bad it is, and get away with it with no cost.

01:15:37.000 And he's using the classic barber-boxer line, I worry about my brother's safety and the types of weapons he will confront on the street.

01:15:44.000 Hence, in my heart, I support gun control. 0.96

01:15:47.000 In my heart?

01:15:48.000 Yeah, and what he's saying is that he doesn't worry about the safety of those of us who will never see his brother and probably never see a cop when a bad guy threatens us. 0.98

01:15:59.000 Well, Mr. Gonzalez isn't stupid.

01:16:01.000 He knows the most dangerous cities in the country, New York, D.C., Chicago, have gun bans. 0.99

01:16:07.000 He knows that's where the cops get killed!

01:16:09.000 He doesn't care about his brother!

01:16:11.000 He cares about power and control!

01:16:13.000 Because he likes torture and he can't wait to get our guns so he can have fun with us!

01:16:17.000 Well, the fact that he is part of this movement that seems to want to have the restoration of Aztec heart cutters restored to the greater Southwest That's a power program if there ever was one. 0.55

01:16:34.000 Those guys are Marxist to the core in La Raza and Mecha and those kind of groups.

01:16:40.000 Those are bad actors.

01:16:41.000 Well, what's wrong with having a group called The Race, Larry?

01:16:44.000 Let's go start one ourselves!

01:16:46.000 And when they say, you've got a thing called The White Race, we'll go, well...

01:16:50.000 Well, La Raza means the race. 0.98

01:16:53.000 Listen, you know what happens.

01:16:55.000 There was a group out in, I think it was California, and they had the same impulse that you're talking about.

01:17:01.000 A bunch of, I think they might have been college Republicans, and they had a bake sale for a white scholarship.

01:17:08.000 It was during the time of the hoorah over affirmative action.

01:17:13.000 And they said, well, okay, good, you do your thing and we're going to do our thing.

01:17:17.000 And they liked it, got kicked off the campus.

01:17:21.000 Yeah, obviously.

01:17:22.000 I mean, it's a double standard.

01:17:24.000 And it's very, very dangerous.

01:17:25.000 It's very, very dangerous.

01:17:29.000 It's scary because, I mean, obviously you wrote Announcements of Patriot Act II, which now we learn Gonzalez wrote most of it.

01:17:37.000 And that affects the Second Amendment. 0.99

01:17:39.000 I mean, this is scary.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, it's a fascination with government power, assuming that even if you give it an innocent construction, it's the assumption that somehow with more power, we're going to be more safe. 1.00

01:17:53.000 And historically, that's just a stupid position to take. 0.98

01:17:57.000 There is no way to defend that whatsoever. 0.99

01:18:00.000 It doesn't work, and people have known that for a long time.

01:18:04.000 I think it was Benjamin Franklin that warned That if we thought we were going to get security by trading in our freedom, we would deserve neither and probably get neither.

01:18:14.000 So, this is not a newsflash that you and I are communicating, but apparently here in Washington, it's a totally unheard of idea.

01:18:24.000 Well, they don't care.

01:18:25.000 It's not meant to work and really stop terror.

01:18:27.000 It's meant to give them more power.

01:18:29.000 More power.

01:18:29.000 And it'll certainly work in that respect.

01:18:32.000 In that respect, it'll be very successful.

01:18:34.000 When we come back, I want to take some calls, but I also want to get into this assault weapons ban, which they're trying to bring back to the floor, and the fight.

01:18:41.000 And we're just going to wake up one day and hear it's passed again.

01:18:44.000 I'll be called a liberal for being against it.

01:18:46.000 I understand.

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01:22:48.000 All right, we're talking to Larry Threat, chairman, head big dog at gun owners of America. chairman, head big dog at gun owners of America.

01:23:07.000 Gun owners.org is the website.

01:23:09.000 You can go sign up for free email alerts that I recommend you get, because you're never going to hear about it from the National Talk Show host.

01:23:16.000 You're never going to hear about it from the NRA.

01:23:18.000 You're just not going to hear about it.

01:23:21.000 And Larry, I've actually gotten emails from people going, you know, how dare you criticize Gonzalez.

01:23:27.000 I'm a Republican and he's great.

01:23:30.000 And you're a liberal.

01:23:32.000 And so, because I'm against losing the Second Amendment, I'm now a communist, basically.

01:23:36.000 Well, it doesn't seem to me that the folks that are criticizing you are familiar with Gonzalez's record, the things that are on the record.

01:23:45.000 These are not allegations.

01:23:47.000 These are his own statements.

01:23:48.000 You've correctly quoted him on the gun issue, and I'm aware that he's had rulings that were pro-abortion while he was on the Texas court.

01:24:00.000 And he does have his fingerprints all over the Patriot Act.

01:24:05.000 Why do some conservatives want to be in denial?

01:24:08.000 You know, if it were before the election, and they were concerned, and I've talked to people like that who are concerned about, well, if we rock the boat, then Bush might lose and Kerry would win, and that would be just beyond what we can think about.

01:24:24.000 But the election's passed.

01:24:24.000 That's one thing.

01:24:26.000 That's not going to happen.

01:24:28.000 Making Mr. Bush accountable is what we ought to be all about right now.

01:24:33.000 Well, I hardly agree with you.

01:24:34.000 And, again, do you love that W sticker on your car, feeling like you're conservative?

01:24:39.000 Or do you love this country?

01:24:41.000 I mean, Gonzales, I've got copies of his memo.

01:24:43.000 They won't release the whole thing, but the memo that came into court.

01:24:46.000 Where he says, we can torture people until organ failure, and if they die and we didn't intend them to die, it's still not torture.

01:24:54.000 So he's saying we can torture people to death, and it's not torture, Larry.

01:25:00.000 Well, that's a pretty interesting position, and I think that should be a matter of concern.

01:25:07.000 It shouldn't be just liberals that are concerned about that.

01:25:11.000 I don't know that we've really had any discussion of that during the hearings, at least I'm not aware of it.

01:25:17.000 And perhaps more to the point for all of us, maybe not all of us are going to be tortured, but we're all going to have our privacy invaded in one way or another by the Patriot Act, and that ought to be a concern.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, this just shows his mindset, and he's one of the, with Zia Dinn and others, one of the architects of it, along with Chertoff.

01:25:36.000 It just gets worse and worse.

01:25:38.000 Legislatively, they're trying to sneak it back through.

01:25:40.000 What's going on with that, Larry?

01:25:43.000 Well, they've got most of what they want and it seems as if they don't need to bother with legislation if they don't get it.

01:25:50.000 Because the whole idea of the enemy combatant was never in law when it was snapped on guys and they were just held without charges because they were classified as an enemy combatant.

01:26:02.000 But talking about the assault weapons ban and other gun control.

01:26:05.000 Well, happily, there, I think we've still got the horses to hold them off.

01:26:12.000 We've got a House of Representatives that is very staunch, and I just don't think they're going to be able to buffalo it through there.

01:26:19.000 The biggest problem still could be the Senate.

01:26:22.000 The Senate is a somewhat better body, and I don't think, with the presence of Dr. Tom Coburn from Oklahoma, they're going to be able to pull off as many things

01:26:33.000 I'm thinking particularly of that train wreck that was allowed to occur back in March last year when the bill that was on the floor that was designed to stop these lawsuits being brought against the gun industry because a criminal does something with a gun not because the gun malfunctions.

01:26:54.000 Well that's another thing is that Gonzales is going to control all the federal prosecutors and they've got the these different zero-tolerance programs where somebody has a gun loaded in their car in the wrong state, so the feds come in and prosecute the state law against a nonviolent person with no criminal record who ends up going to the pen, doctors, lawyers, school teachers.

01:27:17.000 I mean, this is happening, and Gonzalez is saying he's all for it.

01:27:21.000 Well, the BATF is certainly not under control, and they're now technically under Gonzalez because they're in the Justice Department, which is what he will be heading, And we just saw yesterday, I got a news item that a fellow by the name of Peterson was finally acquitted with a federal jury.

01:27:40.000 The BATF had very overtly tried to set him up and make him into a criminal by I hate to even use the word entrapment because the man really didn't think he was doing anything wrong.

01:27:54.000 He was keeping the law.

01:27:55.000 It was the government that ran in people to buy things that weren't legal buyers, but they lied.

01:28:01.000 Well, I know retired cops in Florida.

01:28:03.000 I've seen the articles.

01:28:04.000 Two cops on a gun shop.

01:28:05.000 They send in agents with fake IDs.

01:28:07.000 They scan them.

01:28:08.000 They go through and the cops go to jail.

01:28:10.000 How is that?

01:28:11.000 And I use the example of the cops.

01:28:12.000 Does it even happen to, you know?

01:28:14.000 It happens to anybody that's not BATF.

01:28:19.000 How do they do that, though?

01:28:20.000 How do they go in and get a gun illegally, when the system fails, and then you go to jail?

01:28:27.000 That is a really good question, and it shows the system is out of control.

01:28:32.000 Well, it's just not going to encourage us not to have gun shops.

01:28:35.000 And Gonzales is certainly not likely to help restore that.

01:28:39.000 We'll come back and take calls from Larry Fred.

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01:32:10.000 Thank you.

01:32:11.000 You know, Larry, one time I went to a party, and there were a couple of BATF guys there, and when I first saw them, it was a big, you know, party, upscale party.

01:32:23.000 It was three of them, and when I first saw them there, I'm like, are those guys like criminals?

01:32:27.000 Two of them had shaved heads, you know, with the weird mustaches.

01:32:30.000 They were acting weird, aggressively.

01:32:32.000 They were just there.

01:32:33.000 They were drunk.

01:32:35.000 And, you know, normally you go someplace or some event and you see cops who are there off-duty.

01:32:40.000 They seem like nice guys, usually kind of reserved and friendly.

01:32:44.000 Or, you know, you see firemen.

01:32:45.000 They're nice.

01:32:46.000 I've been at parties before where FBI agents are.

01:32:49.000 I went to school with an FBI agent's son in high school.

01:32:51.000 I went to their house for dinner many times.

01:32:53.000 He seemed pretty nice.

01:32:54.000 But a BATF, the one time I was around them, One of these guys, let's just say he's a high-level agent here locally, really just, you know, the type of person on an alley at night you'd move away from.

01:33:05.000 I'm not trying to be mean here, this is just my observation of them.

01:33:09.000 Well, the bad apples tend to rise to the top, and that's been a severe problem for years and years and years within the BATF, even well before it came to the Justice Department.

01:33:23.000 So it brings a culture of corruption at the top, and it's hard for a guy down the line, regardless of whether he and I would agree, That it's constitutional to have his job at the federal level at all.

01:33:37.000 But nevertheless, there are guys that go into it.

01:33:40.000 They have a, you know, they want to be a cop.

01:33:41.000 They want to do a good job.

01:33:43.000 And what they find out, that unless they're willing to cut corners, they're not getting to the top in the BATF.

01:33:50.000 And a lot of them, I've talked to them, when they are trapped like this, they think, well, maybe I'll transfer to some other agency.

01:33:59.000 Well, they're not going to get a good recommendation.

01:34:00.000 They are literally trapped, and some of the most unhappy people in the world are those that have had a decent instinct, who ended up working at the BATF.

01:34:11.000 Not a good place for decent people.

01:34:13.000 Well, just to finish up with this, talking about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, very astute comment you just made, because I happened to have researched them.

01:34:22.000 They were the classic, what people in the South and other areas call the regulators.

01:34:27.000 And that's why they're so corrupt.

01:34:28.000 They go back to the age of the literal private hired thugs by the federal government to go break the stills, shake the people down.

01:34:37.000 They became armed criminal gangs that would rob families, go into farmhouses, just take money, nothing illegal found.

01:34:43.000 And then really, it's the first real criminal federal agency, and then down through its whole history, you know, it was the first of the whiskey regulators, the whiskey tax men.

01:34:54.000 And so you've had kind of this criminal element, this mafia element from the start, recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, and the tone got set for that agency in the beginning.

01:35:04.000 And it is one of many examples that when you have law enforcement at the federal level, where it does not belong under our Constitution, you have something that's almost impossible to control, and accountability becomes something that Maybe is a word that some of them can spell if they happen to be good students but they don't know what it means and they certainly don't think it applies to them only to other people.

01:35:31.000 Law enforcement is a function that is Delegated from average citizens.

01:35:38.000 It's a job that we have decided we didn't want to do because it might have required too much time ourselves.

01:35:44.000 And we delegated those powers, but we didn't give them up when we delegated them.

01:35:48.000 And when we've given them to a federal agency, we in effect Good morning, Alex.

01:35:54.000 Thanks very much for taking my call.

01:35:57.000 A couple of three points.

01:35:58.000 One for Mr. Pratt and then you, Alexander.

01:36:00.000 You're absolutely right.

01:36:01.000 We've only got Larry Pratt for about eight more minutes here.

01:36:03.000 Let's go to some calls.

01:36:04.000 Robert in Colorado, you're on the air.

01:36:06.000 Go ahead, Robert.

01:36:07.000 Hey, good morning, Alex.

01:36:08.000 Thanks very much for taking my call.

01:36:10.000 A couple of three points, one for Mr. Pratt and then you, Alexander.

01:36:14.000 First off, Mr. Pratt, a few years ago I used to think that gun control is a good thing. 0.98

01:36:20.000 If you controlled all of our guns, crime would go down. 0.99

01:36:23.000 But then I became a fan of the Alex Jones Show, and through a little research I've done on my own, I realized that that's a stupid opinion. 0.99

01:36:30.000 Clearly when you start taking citizens' guns, people start dying. 0.98

01:36:34.000 That's been proven historically, and it'll happen here if it's allowed to get to that point.

01:36:39.000 With that as a backdrop, you're probably aware that in San Francisco, the city leaders want to put on... Yeah, speak up, Robert!

01:36:47.000 I'm sorry.

01:36:48.000 Go ahead.

01:36:49.000 The city leaders in San Francisco want to put on a ballot a plan that if passed would outlaw handguns in San Francisco.

01:36:58.000 What do you know about that?

01:36:59.000 What's the status of that?

01:36:59.000 Well, let's just throw this out here.

01:37:01.000 We've got the so-called Republicans in New York passing a law and in court cases so they can sue gun manufacturers.

01:37:07.000 And just one or two of these winning will shut us down, folks.

01:37:10.000 I mean, it's just like there's no diving boards and swimming pools anymore.

01:37:10.000 It's over.

01:37:14.000 We're not going to have guns.

01:37:15.000 It's going to be over.

01:37:15.000 We're going to lose.

01:37:16.000 Thanks to these people.

01:37:17.000 And then in San Francisco, Larry, they're coming after the guns as well.

01:37:21.000 Arnold Schwarzeneggers banning rifles left and right.

01:37:23.000 Tell us about it.

01:37:25.000 Well, the good news, at least in San Francisco, and there's certainly not much in San Francisco, they can pass all the referenda they want, the initiatives they want, they can have their city council pass all the laws they want.

01:37:37.000 On the Second Amendment issue, on the gun issue, they're going to have to change the state law first.

01:37:43.000 That law's already been tried in court and it's been upheld even by the nut cases in the California State Court.

01:37:49.000 What do you think of Arnold banning 50 Cals and wanting to ban more now?

01:37:53.000 And I see all these conservative groups endorsing him for president now, Larry.

01:37:57.000 Well, we put out a news release indicating that Mr. Schwarzenegger apparently is a girly boy when it comes to guns.

01:38:05.000 Well, he likes to show these violent images of what a tough guy he is, when in reality he throws fits if he doesn't get his pedicure every day, and that's mainstream news.

01:38:13.000 You talk about a girly boy, he gets bikini waxing. 1.00

01:38:17.000 I mean, he's a piece of trash. 1.00

01:38:19.000 Some foreigner wants my guns? 1.00

01:38:21.000 He says, this guy's been on record for gun bans, Larry!

01:38:24.000 He's very much a gun banner, gun controller, and he's a smart enough guy.

01:38:31.000 I think he's got to know that his own country was ruled by gun controllers.

01:38:38.000 Austria, after all, fell under the Nazis.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, his daddy helped confiscate guns. 1.00

01:38:43.000 He's a trash. 0.99

01:38:44.000 You'd think that there might have been a lesson there if the man was really interested in freedom, but I don't think he got the lesson. 0.99

01:38:51.000 I don't think he got the point.

01:38:53.000 And we would be doing our... You know, with 280 million Americans, we don't have enough to choose from to be president.

01:39:00.000 We gotta make Arnold Schwarzenegger president?

01:39:02.000 I don't think so.

01:39:04.000 Thanks for the call, Robert.

01:39:06.000 They're pushing big time, Larry, as you know.

01:39:09.000 There's a major push on this.

01:39:11.000 We think it's one of the worst ideas that's come down the pike.

01:39:16.000 And certainly on the gun issue, the guy is all bad news.

01:39:20.000 And why pro-lifers would want him, why pro-family people would want him... He's for open borders?

01:39:27.000 I mean... Open borders.

01:39:28.000 The first thing he did to solve the government's The financial crisis in California was to further indebt the state by some 16 billion dollars.

01:39:38.000 Oh, but he's wonderful.

01:39:40.000 Let's talk to Ron in New York.

01:39:41.000 Ron, you're on the air with Larry Pratt.

01:39:42.000 Go ahead.

01:39:43.000 Hello, gentlemen. 0.98

01:39:44.000 The reason why you have conservatives, so-called conservatives that will call you a liberal, being against gun control or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever the case is, is because you have people who are politically unsophisticated, uninformed and ignorant, who want to feel that they're part of a power structure, that they're along for who want to feel that they're part of a power structure, that they're along for the ride and sharing in the power too, and they're too ignorant to know that there are just so many numbers, so many ciphers that are 0.95

01:40:13.000 And this purpose, they're not sophisticated enough to even know that they're actually engaging in conduct, which is detrimental to their own social interests.

01:40:22.000 You know, actually, I think that's a very good point.

01:40:24.000 There are people who would rather not know about these issues that we're talking about, where the Republicans have made their serious mistakes, because, at least in their own mind, they're part of the power structure the power elite and obviously if you're going to start arguing with people you might get ostracized and no longer be welcome inside the circles of power well right

01:40:52.000 and that kind of conduct it is usually is usually exhibited by ignorant people i tried to get involved in the republican party 10 years ago and and you go to the meetings and i found the democrats are just taking it I mean, really, the chairman and people were just, actually, were real live Democrats, and if you brought up real issues, they'd turn their back, they'd laugh at you, they'd walk away, and then all the little camp followers would do the same thing.

01:41:17.000 Alex, you once said in a broadcast, and this is a very, very good example, and I've never forgotten it, all these years later, It's like being in a car with Ted Bundy, you know, and you think, yeah, me and him are, you know, out to do something.

01:41:29.000 In fact, you know, Ted is not out to do nothing with you, but take you down with the rest.

01:41:34.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:41:35.000 It's the sign of lesser people who are inferior. 0.88

01:41:38.000 Maybe their lives are insignificant.

01:41:41.000 They suffer in desperate silence.

01:41:43.000 Flipping burgers, whatever it is.

01:41:43.000 Who knows?

01:41:45.000 It's just the truth of the matter.

01:41:46.000 It's the psychology of the situation.

01:41:49.000 As for the Attorney General Designate, who has now been nominated Attorney General, Listen guys, we like to be diplomatic as gentlemen, but there comes a point in which I guess one should not withhold or spare any verbal blows about what this man is.

01:42:04.000 A man who openly pontificates about the things that he has pontificated on.

01:42:10.000 Torture.

01:42:11.000 Dismembering bodies and finding that acceptable.

01:42:14.000 Seeing the presidency as an imperial presidency.

01:42:18.000 Belonging to a race supremist group.

01:42:21.000 This isn't just a guy who's a little off base. 0.99

01:42:24.000 This is a guy who, at worst, is demonic, or who, at best, is demented. 0.97

01:42:29.000 This guy is wholly unacceptable as a person, let alone as a general.

01:42:32.000 I've got to let you go, and let Larry Pratt have final comments here in the next 60 seconds.

01:42:32.000 No, I hear you, Ron.

01:42:38.000 Larry?

01:42:40.000 We do want to make some trouble for the president.

01:42:43.000 I think he needs to hear from us that we're not all just peachy happy with everything that he's done.

01:42:47.000 And if folks would like to go to GunOwners.org, that's the website for Gun Owners of America, go to GunOwners.org.

01:42:54.000 You can find the email there to send off to the White House and register your protest.

01:43:01.000 Don't let the silence be complete.

01:43:03.000 And also call your congressmen and women and go, what is your malfunction?

01:43:10.000 Gunowners.org and give folks that phone number.

01:43:13.000 If they can't get us on the web, call toll-free.

01:43:16.000 888-886-GUNS.

01:43:22.000 Larry, thanks for working so hard for the Second Amendment as a fellow liberal.

01:43:28.000 And, uh, you know, something's wrong with us.

01:43:30.000 We're against torturing people.

01:43:32.000 But, uh, I appreciate you coming on.

01:43:33.000 I appreciate you coming on on such short notice, and God bless.

01:43:36.000 Well, let's keep our guns.

01:43:37.000 Thanks so much for what you're doing, Alex.

01:43:39.000 Take care, my friend.

01:43:41.000 There goes Larry Pratt, folks.

01:43:42.000 Uh, I'm just disgusted by all of it.

01:43:44.000 I mean, yeah, he's Alberto Gonzales, the president's above the law.

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01:43:52.000 You know, I'm a member of a group that says, kill all white people. 1.00

01:43:56.000 I mean, literally. 1.00

01:43:57.000 It's Twilight Zone.

01:43:59.000 And Arnold, you heard him.

01:44:01.000 Very proud about Arnold, and he's for banning guns.

01:44:04.000 Period.

01:44:06.000 And, you know, Newsmax is out endorsing him, and Limbaugh's out endorsing him, and Sean Hannity's out endorsing him.

01:44:11.000 And why do we support any of these groups?

01:44:14.000 The liberals are winning, folks, because they became conservatives.

01:44:17.000 And fooled you! 0.88

01:44:18.000 It's sick!

01:44:20.000 It's so sick!

01:44:21.000 We're going to lose this country because of you, the so-called conservatives that are listening, who don't get it.

01:44:27.000 Let's talk to Ron in New Mexico.

01:44:29.000 Ron, thanks for holding.

01:44:30.000 Go ahead.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, Alex, I was wondering.

01:44:32.000 Your caller the other day mentioned the Atlantic Monthly.

01:44:35.000 Did you happen to pick up a copy of that?

01:44:37.000 Because I did, and it's amazing.

01:44:39.000 No, I didn't.

01:44:40.000 The caller talked about how we're going to have martial law and the terrorists will attack us and give up all our freedoms.

01:44:46.000 That's what she said.

01:44:47.000 I didn't read it.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, it's...

01:44:51.000 Well, I guessed what was in the article before she even read it.

01:44:53.000 I mean, it's not hard.

01:44:54.000 They're constantly putting out their fear-mongering reports.

01:44:57.000 Yeah, I highly suggest you pick it up and maybe include it in a future broadcast or documentary.

01:45:04.000 Well, mail me a copy.

01:45:06.000 I have it right here.

01:45:07.000 I bought two, so one's going out in the mail.

01:45:08.000 I'm waiting for the mail guy, actually. 0.91

01:45:10.000 Yeah, the only place in town that has all the publications is also a porno place.

01:45:17.000 You know, one half of it's all the newspapers, the other half's porno, and I don't like going in there.

01:45:21.000 Occasionally I have to to get a magazine or newspaper that's not, it's called, news.

01:45:26.000 Then every time I go in there, someone's like, what are you doing?

01:45:28.000 You know, oh, you're getting, you know, this magazine I'm in.

01:45:31.000 But if you want me to get that, because I've called around, the only place they have it is there, then you're welcome to mail it to me.

01:45:38.000 Okay, great.

01:45:39.000 Alright.

01:45:39.000 That's it.

01:45:40.000 Thank you, sir.

01:45:41.000 Hey, I appreciate the call.

01:45:44.000 Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting little store.

01:45:46.000 It's got almost every magazine and newspaper you can imagine in like two-thirds of the store.

01:45:51.000 And then the other part is the porno stuff.

01:45:54.000 I'm a public figure.

01:45:55.000 I don't particularly like prancing around in there.

01:45:58.000 And I have gone in there before to get magazines and newspapers you can't get anywhere else.

01:46:04.000 You know, in the Washington Post.

01:46:06.000 Well, they don't have the Washington Post anywhere in town.

01:46:08.000 Sometimes it's at Barnes & Noble, or you're in this magazine, you're in this newspaper, or you're in the New American, or you're in the... it's the only place they got it in town.

01:46:16.000 It's weird.

01:46:18.000 Let's go ahead and talk to... Who's up next here?

01:46:25.000 Who's up next?

01:46:26.000 Gail in Texas.

01:46:27.000 Go ahead.

01:46:27.000 Welcome.

01:46:29.000 Hola Alex, how are you?

01:46:30.000 I'm calling to congratulate you on speaking up against Gonzales.

01:46:34.000 Well, I'm an evil liberal.

01:46:37.000 Well, then so am I, I guess. 0.99

01:46:40.000 An evil Hispanic liberal. 1.00

01:46:42.000 And I wanted to tell you that there are lots of Hispanics that do not support Gonzales. 0.84

01:46:47.000 And one group is the League of United Latin American... Oh, I'm sorry, not them.

01:46:53.000 The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, MALDEF.

01:46:58.000 Have you heard of them?

01:46:59.000 Yes, I know there's a lot of groups that are against him.

01:47:01.000 Right, and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus wrote a letter yesterday to Bill Frist stating that it would not endorse Gonzalez.

01:47:09.000 So you've got Hispanic groups not endorsing him?

01:47:11.000 Oh, that's correct.

01:47:12.000 Absolutely.

01:47:13.000 I was aware that some weren't.

01:47:14.000 I mean, but I've found Hispanics, frankly, of any group per capita, the biggest listeners of this show, are the most conservative people per capita that I've found.

01:47:24.000 And, yeah, they don't like Gonzales.

01:47:26.000 Oh, no.

01:47:28.000 It isn't even about him being Hispanic.

01:47:30.000 No, it's not.

01:47:30.000 They try to make that the issue.

01:47:32.000 Right. 0.58

01:47:33.000 I mean, he's a demonic Cenobite. 0.98

01:47:36.000 Right.

01:47:37.000 And Orrin Hatch came out and warned all the Democrats.

01:47:40.000 Every Hispanic family in America was watching how Gonzalez was going to be treated by the committee.

01:47:46.000 And yeah, we are watching.

01:47:47.000 We are watching how he's being used by the Republicans.

01:47:50.000 We are watching how he's being pushed through.

01:47:54.000 Um, just based on the fact that he is Hispanic and how he's this totally unwholesome. 1.00

01:48:00.000 Well, I don't think it's just that he's Hispanic.

01:48:02.000 He is. 1.00

01:48:02.000 He's evil. 1.00

01:48:03.000 Like Chertoff and Bush and Rice and Rumsfeld, this collection of psychopaths. 1.00

01:48:12.000 He is. 0.97

01:48:13.000 He's a horrible person and for somebody to actually contemplate Um, the torture of another human being is just the worst, most unfathomable type of- But then he says we define reality, right? 0.98

01:48:25.000 I said this too. 0.86

01:48:26.000 We can torture someone to organ failure and death, and if we didn't mean for them to die, it's not torture.

01:48:32.000 Well, I'm sorry, but I disagree, and a lot of people out there disagree.

01:48:36.000 Well, what's wrong with talking about cutting somebody's wife's fingers off in front of them?

01:48:41.000 I mean, what's wrong with- the caller mentioned Ted Bundy earlier.

01:48:41.000 No.

01:48:44.000 Maybe Ted Bundy should be our Attorney General. 0.93

01:48:47.000 And the amazing thing, Alex, is that... Oh, I'm against white people. 0.98

01:48:50.000 I've talked bad about Ted Bundy.

01:48:52.000 Oh, no.

01:48:53.000 Finish up what you were saying.

01:48:54.000 Sorry.

01:48:55.000 The amazing thing, Alex, is that half the country thinks that these people are religious and they're good people.

01:49:03.000 And I just don't get that.

01:49:05.000 That just totally goes above my head.

01:49:08.000 I just can't get it.

01:49:09.000 I don't get it.

01:49:12.000 It's amazing, and the Democratic Party's faking over, the Republican Party's faking over, and if we as Americans don't get past what color we are and where we're from and start getting back to defending liberty, it's over.

01:49:25.000 And you'll have a pack of criminals, regardless of what color they are, ruling us.

01:49:29.000 Great points, Gail.

01:49:32.000 I appreciate your call, my dear.

01:49:34.000 Good to hear from you.

01:49:35.000 Alright, we'll come back and talk to Tony and others.

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01:56:00.000 Good old Jack Bloods, Connecticut talk show host.

01:56:02.000 I want to hold you a little bit over into the next hour if we can, Jack, and take some calls.

01:56:06.000 But you're calling in, and I'm glad you called.

01:56:08.000 One of the things in my stack is the commemorative Glock New World Order pistols, handguns.

01:56:13.000 Hundreds of them handed out to our gracious leaders after the end of Desert Dust 1, Jack.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, well, thanks for taking my call, Alex.

01:56:20.000 You're doing a great job.

01:56:22.000 And since you were talking with Larry Pratt, I thought this might be apropos.

01:56:25.000 But yeah, there were a thousand of these Glock 17s made.

01:56:28.000 They had a special engraving on it.

01:56:30.000 The, I guess, recipients are George W. Bush, Schwarzkopf, James Baker III, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, and a list of CENTCOM guys.

01:56:41.000 But on one side of the gun, this is a commemorative, says, New World Order commemorative.

01:56:47.000 So this is a New World Order commemorative for the... Well, we've got a picture of the gun at PrisonPlanet.com right now.

01:56:52.000 Yeah, we've got it listed at JackBlood.com as well.

01:56:55.000 But, I mean, here we're always hearing there's no New World Order, you know, we're just making this up, and here this is what they put on this gun.

01:57:02.000 I mean, it's right in our face, and I thought it was rather offensive.

01:57:07.000 Well, a New World Order means total loss of liberty, world government, world taxation.

01:57:12.000 End of the Second Amendment.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, I mean, you can just see George Bush and others handling this gun, just kind of drooling, and they just love this kind of stuff, but they've got to put their name on it, and the name is New World Order, so.

01:57:26.000 I'll tell you what, Jack, stay there, we'll go into the next hour.

01:57:28.000 You know, I would add to this, imagine Gonzalez wants to get to our guns, and then scrap us down, and, you know, torture us. 0.99

01:57:34.000 That's why he wants your guns, and I'm serious when I say that. 0.99

01:57:36.000 They want your guns so they can torture and kill you. 0.99

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01:58:00.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:07.000 We had the Spy Chief of the KGB on in the first hour, then we had Larry Pratt on about Alberto Gonzales wants your guns, and you're liberal if you're against gun control now.

01:58:16.000 So I'm a communist, folks, if that's the case.

01:58:18.000 If you're anti-communist, you're communist.

01:58:20.000 If you're pro-gun, you're liberal.

01:58:24.000 And then we got Jack Blood, talk show host, calling in.

01:58:26.000 I don't like having him on.

01:58:27.000 This is going to leave in a minute, but we're about to then go to... Who's up first from Arkansas?

01:58:35.000 He just told me that.

01:58:36.000 They're up in Minnesota, folks, and I'm down here in Austin, Texas.

01:58:39.000 They could type it over the computer to me, who the guests are, but they would always write it down and then can't read my own writing.

01:58:44.000 So, Tony and John and Paul and Jim, we'll get to all your calls.

01:58:48.000 But, Jack Blatt, you called in talking about this New World Order commemorative Glock that they gave to George Herbert Walker Bush and others.

01:58:55.000 Yeah, it's a souvenir.

01:58:56.000 Just a nice little souvenir after all the death and destruction they caused over there.

01:59:00.000 I mean, it makes you think, you know, what they're getting, what kind of souvenirs they're getting out of this war.

01:59:04.000 Of course, we know that they ransacked the museums in Babylon and Baghdad, so I'm sure they have, you know, vases and various and sundry items that are thousands of years old.

01:59:13.000 Maybe they've inscribed New World Order commemorative on those, too.

01:59:17.000 This also says Operation Desert Storm and it gives the date and everything.

01:59:21.000 They made a thousand of these and gave them to all the people who had done such a good job in getting Saddam Hussein in 1991. 0.70

01:59:29.000 Well isn't that just darling?

01:59:31.000 A little PR move for them.

01:59:34.000 But notice the establishment, it's good when they have guns.

01:59:37.000 It's just bad when we the slaves have guns. 0.91

01:59:40.000 What do you think about Alberto Gonzalez saying he wants to...

01:59:42.000 Yeah, maybe we'll have commemorative guns if we're lucky.

01:59:45.000 They don't shoot bullets, but we can look at them and play with them or something.

01:59:49.000 Yeah, obviously this whole confirmation, all these confirmation hearings and getting right up to Comrade Cherkov and his origins.

01:59:57.000 You know, I've verified his name does in fact mean devil or the damned.

02:00:01.000 I mean, this is the guy you want running your homeland security.

02:00:04.000 All of these guys like Marcus Wolf and Primakov and others that are assisting this guy to turn this into a total and complete police state.

02:00:11.000 Of course, George W. Bush gives the speech.

02:00:13.000 He's going to He's going to eliminate tyranny around the world.

02:00:16.000 He's going to spread democracy around the world like some bad can of spam or something.

02:00:22.000 Force it on the people by a gun. 0.93

02:00:24.000 And all the top consultants, the ones that aren't locked into this New World Order have said, this is absolutely ridiculous. 0.66

02:00:30.000 This is never going to work.

02:00:31.000 And I had a four-star general on yesterday from CENTCOM.

02:00:34.000 He was Tony Frank's right-hand man, General DeLong.

02:00:38.000 And I asked him about, you know, the quotes from other generals I've interviewed that said, we're creating terrorists faster than we can kill them. 0.97

02:00:44.000 And he starts talking to me about, well, those Muslims are having a lot of babies, and if that's what you mean. 0.99

02:00:49.000 And he was getting a really weird tone in his voice, like he was fantasizing about killing all these Muslim children that could end up being terrorists. 0.99

02:00:57.000 That's how they fight terrorism, Alex. 0.99

02:00:59.000 Oh, I've heard that.

02:00:59.000 There's too many of them.

02:01:00.000 We've got to get rid of them.

02:01:02.000 And did you mention, hey, Tommy Frank says Marshall Law's coming in the next attack.

02:01:06.000 What did he say to that?

02:01:07.000 Yeah, he denied that.

02:01:09.000 He denied, but he gave the interview.

02:01:11.000 And he also said it on Fox TV, but he first said it in Cigar Aficionado.

02:01:16.000 He couldn't deny the interview.

02:01:17.000 I mean, this is something.

02:01:18.000 This was a big slip that Tommy Frank did in that Cigar Aficionado interview.

02:01:23.000 Everybody I've interviewed and talked to about that, including Oliver North, denied it and tried to downplay it.

02:01:28.000 So, that was a real leak.

02:01:30.000 They didn't like that coming out.

02:01:31.000 And this General DeLong, of course, tried to cover up for it, saying that it would have to take extreme instances for this to happen.

02:01:38.000 But look, I mean, you had state of emergency declared for one inch of ice in South Carolina two weeks ago.

02:01:44.000 Look, look, we're already in an emergency when the Supreme Court says there's no more Fourth Amendment.

02:01:49.000 I mean, when the police are running around in black ski masks calling us civilians, that's a martial law.

02:01:54.000 You know, it's like we're in a pot on the stove with it set at, you know, number 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

02:02:01.000 And don't draw any violent cartoons or sketchings or doodles if you're a little kid, because you could be locked in jail.

02:02:09.000 Let me ask you, when I was in school, that's all we, all the boys did.

02:02:13.000 Did you do that?

02:02:15.000 Of course I did, and there are plenty of, you know, Mad Magazine does it.

02:02:18.000 Come on.

02:02:20.000 But I mean, that's what boys drew.

02:02:23.000 And I've seen my dad's artwork, I've seen my uncle's artwork, that's what they drew.

02:02:26.000 I mean, that's a thought crime, pure and simple.

02:02:28.000 I should go to prison, then.

02:02:29.000 I mean, I... I drew pictures... Well, destroy all those pictures if you still have them.

02:02:34.000 Those could be used against you.

02:02:36.000 Ah.

02:02:37.000 Alright, but I can play violent video games, though, if I want.

02:02:39.000 We'll be right back.

02:02:40.000 Thanks, Jack.

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02:06:04.000 All right, we're now 8 minutes and 30 seconds into the third hour.

02:06:16.000 Let's go ahead and go straight to your calls.

02:06:21.000 Up first here.

02:06:24.000 It's Tony in Arkansas.

02:06:25.000 Tony, go ahead.

02:06:26.000 You're on the air.

02:06:27.000 Alex, hi.

02:06:28.000 It's an honor to speak with you.

02:06:29.000 An honor to talk to you, my friend.

02:06:30.000 Thank you.

02:06:30.000 Go ahead.

02:06:31.000 God bless you.

02:06:32.000 Listen, before I get to my main point, just a real quick sidebar on Arnold Schwarzenegger.

02:06:37.000 Since Bush seems to be big on outsourcing jobs, I think we ought to start using the term he's outsourcing the presidency.

02:06:42.000 We can't trust Americans to actually run our own country anymore. 0.99

02:06:46.000 Well, that's it.

02:06:46.000 That's a good point.

02:06:48.000 Outsourcing the presidency.

02:06:51.000 Actually, I lived for years and worked and was born, actually, in Las Vegas, Nevada, just about a year and a half ago, because I felt the Lord wanted me to move away from there.

02:07:00.000 But I have friends that work both out of Area 51 and Nellis in the military, and they will tell you, I caught your rebroadcast last night, and it's kind of dealing with you talking with the Colonel yesterday.

02:07:12.000 There are not only NORTHCOM things going on out there, but there are German troops by the My friend who is a guard there, they've since moved him to Texas and he's now at Vandenberg in California because they're so short of personnel.

02:07:28.000 He was there for about five months as a guard and worked on the base.

02:07:32.000 I got to go on board with him and he got some of these shots on his cell phone.

02:07:36.000 You know how you can snap a picture.

02:07:37.000 They had brought the F-117A back up to Vegas.

02:07:40.000 It was supposed to be in New Mexico and this was right around the time of the Gulf War, a little after it.

02:07:45.000 He came to me and he said, you know, it's funny, the Germans are jealous of the technology we have. 0.64

02:07:49.000 And I said, Germans?

02:07:50.000 You know, he wasn't up on, he goes to a Bible study group, but he wasn't up on any of the things you cover.

02:07:54.000 And I only discovered you, thank God, through George Nury, and getting on the internet listening to you.

02:07:59.000 But he came to me and said that, and I'm like, what are you talking about?

02:08:01.000 And then he showed me his pictures on his cell phone, the Germans all over our equipment there on Nellis. 0.70

02:08:06.000 And, uh, they were being trained how to fly the F-117A being shown, and he said, you know, they're jealous because they got nothing like that.

02:08:12.000 And I'm like, dude, why do they have German troops on our stuff?

02:08:16.000 And it turned out later, he said there were scores.

02:08:18.000 He couldn't get a figure.

02:08:20.000 And he talked to his CO and said, why are they here?

02:08:22.000 American citizens can't get anywhere near those stealth aircraft.

02:08:26.000 Well, number one, from Alamogordo in New Mexico, uh, to the bases you were just mentioning, Grim Lake and others, uh, in Nevada, it's Germans. 0.87

02:08:35.000 Yeah, amazing.

02:08:36.000 And then you get into Mississippi, Louisiana, it's Russians and Czech Republic and Ukrainians. 0.75

02:08:41.000 You get up into the Michigan area.

02:08:43.000 In Mexico, it's Chinese cribs. 0.81

02:08:45.000 I mean, this is public.

02:08:46.000 Well, and they wore these black uniforms with their German insignia, but below it was a different insignia that he did not recognize.

02:08:52.000 And we talked to his CO.

02:08:53.000 The CO told him, you know, well, he didn't know.

02:08:56.000 So he went to, I guess, his company commander, and he told him they were there for an air show.

02:09:00.000 And a year later, they're still there, you know.

02:09:02.000 And they kept to themselves, he said they spoke German, and he counted, I mean, his guess was at least 200, but his... Well, maybe they should be Arnold's cabinet!

02:09:13.000 Well, but here's what they're getting ready to do, and you guys were talking about it yesterday.

02:09:16.000 We also knew two people who worked for FEMA, and one came into contact indirectly.

02:09:21.000 They've built a base outside, between St.

02:09:24.000 George and Las Vegas, and you were talking about the linchpins that are going to bring martial law on.

02:09:29.000 I really believe it's my gut feeling.

02:09:31.000 They've already got the FEMA, the 10 cities put up.

02:09:34.000 Newsmax had covered that a year and a half, two years ago.

02:09:36.000 I was contracted with a company called EG&G to build them between Las Vegas and St.

02:09:41.000 George.

02:09:42.000 And my dad lives in St.

02:09:43.000 George.

02:09:44.000 And so I would travel constantly there, and you'll see scores of black helicopters just after you get past.

02:09:49.000 Well, let me just stop you.

02:09:51.000 I have the video of up by Dallas.

02:09:54.000 There are just thousands of old Vietnam-era Bell helicopters.

02:09:59.000 And they're painting them black, and they're putting new high-powered engines in them.

02:10:04.000 And they've got it... Before, they had to get, you know, like, one a week ready.

02:10:07.000 Now it's, what'd he say, seven a week ready.

02:10:10.000 And they're for domestic operations.

02:10:12.000 Thousands of helicopters.

02:10:14.000 What do they need thousands of... This is for the big push.

02:10:17.000 Exactly.

02:10:17.000 This is what made Nuka City.

02:10:18.000 This is... You can go.

02:10:20.000 I'm sorry about that.

02:10:20.000 I didn't mean to catch up.

02:10:21.000 I'm sorry.

02:10:21.000 And then Jim Keith, before they killed him, really got a lot of the documents on this.

02:10:26.000 That's their plan.

02:10:27.000 They've got all these foreign soldiers, all these FEMA camps, huge foreign armies of highly trained specialists.

02:10:33.000 I'm not kidding, folks.

02:10:35.000 And now, let me add this, now... I was shocked when I saw the pictures of them, you know.

02:10:39.000 Let me add this.

02:10:40.000 Now, top Generals have gone on TV and said, oh yes, foreign assets will defend the homeland if we're on a war on terror overseas.

02:10:49.000 Right.

02:10:49.000 And literally it has been like taking the pill in the Matrix where you wake up.

02:10:53.000 And it's been that for me because I campaigned for Bush in three states, believe it or not, Republican.

02:10:57.000 And it has just been, since 9-11, a continual wake-up and to realize, and thank God you went into Bohemian Grove and did all that.

02:11:04.000 And again, thank God for George and Ray, because I loved that.

02:11:06.000 I listened to Art Bell for years, but he would never put on you or Steve Quayle or anybody like that.

02:11:11.000 And I truly think they did, because I'd have never found you except through that.

02:11:15.000 And again, just what you guys do is amazing.

02:11:18.000 There's been a continual revelation, and these people do.

02:11:20.000 You said yesterday, you're like, how could they kill children in Oklahoma City?

02:11:24.000 Bro, they're serving Satan.

02:11:25.000 They literally worship the devil.

02:11:27.000 And because God is in us, a lot of people, we sit back and wonder, how could you harm a child?

02:11:34.000 You know, it astonishes us.

02:11:35.000 And even people I know in the military, and they know they've got to get our boys out so they can guard us with these foreign troops. 1.00

02:11:42.000 And Americans just be prepared.

02:11:44.000 And the other thing I would say is optimistically pray.

02:11:47.000 Because more than once, they've had these type of plans in place and they didn't go off or they went awry.

02:11:53.000 And the most powerful thing in the world, I humbly believe that, and I thank you for letting me say it, is prayer.

02:11:58.000 No, it is.

02:11:59.000 Listen, thank you for the call.

02:12:00.000 I appreciate your call.

02:12:02.000 Very interesting points.

02:12:03.000 Speaking of George Norrie, who was a good friend of mine, great guy.

02:12:07.000 I really appreciate him having me on his huge forum.

02:12:11.000 Second biggest radio show in the country, bar none.

02:12:14.000 The most responsive audience out there, period.

02:12:17.000 I'm going to be on tomorrow night.

02:12:20.000 I'm not sure yet.

02:12:21.000 It's either three or all four hours.

02:12:23.000 Certainly for three hours.

02:12:26.000 In studio with George Norrie.

02:12:27.000 He's going to be here in Austin, Texas for TalkFest that KLBJ is putting on Saturday at the convention center.

02:12:35.000 And I'd like to go to that.

02:12:38.000 I've been invited to that, but I don't know if I'll go.

02:12:39.000 I'm trying to finish this film.

02:12:41.000 But I am going to be on Coast to Coast AM at least for three hours tomorrow night.

02:12:49.000 And so, in studio with George Norrie.

02:12:53.000 Hardly anybody gets to do that.

02:12:54.000 That's going to be fun.

02:12:57.000 So I look forward to that and talking to tens of millions of people.

02:13:00.000 All right, thanks for the call there.

02:13:02.000 Let's talk to another caller here.

02:13:04.000 I guess John Michigan is up next.

02:13:05.000 Go ahead, John.

02:13:08.000 I'm John from New York, possibly.

02:13:09.000 Okay, John, go ahead.

02:13:10.000 Hey, how you doing, Alex?

02:13:12.000 Very good.

02:13:12.000 Just had an interesting thing locally here last night.

02:13:15.000 We've been fighting for a long time, and to be honest with you, I thought I was the only one around until I got a shortwave radio about four months ago.

02:13:21.000 Uh, there's a gentleman I work with that chainsawed his armpit in 98. 0.99

02:13:24.000 He's got an SSI report that says he's eligible for disability if he's ever disabled.

02:13:28.000 But a doctor says, even though his hand is dead and his arm's only got 15% mobility, doctor says he can dress a dolly, that he's not disabled.

02:13:35.000 But yet the, uh, motor vehicle department has given him, uh, disability, uh, regulations to have a steering knob and all that.

02:13:41.000 Well, he got arrested for having a taillight out and not having a steering knob.

02:13:44.000 Well, he went to court last night and, uh, you know, he fought the cases.

02:13:48.000 Well, no one pays me to, to change my steering, Put my signal stat on the other side of the car.

02:13:54.000 He says, I'm a family member.

02:13:55.000 I'm the sole earner for the whole family.

02:13:57.000 I've got one arm.

02:13:58.000 He does mechanics.

02:14:00.000 And they don't support me.

02:14:01.000 And yet, you're giving me a ticket for it.

02:14:04.000 And yet, there's not a doctor in your motor vehicle department that says I'm disabled.

02:14:07.000 But they have another doctor that says I'm not disabled.

02:14:10.000 Well, this is what the government did, sir.

02:14:13.000 The government trained us.

02:14:16.000 Let me explain how you domesticate animals.

02:14:21.000 You know, five, six thousand years ago, how they began domesticating animals, even longer than that.

02:14:27.000 What they do, is you start putting food out, and you get them used to coming up close to you.

02:14:33.000 Then you build a little pen, and you put the food inside the pen, and the animals start going into the pen, then you have it where you close the gate once they go in the pen.

02:14:43.000 And that's how you catch wild hogs. 1.00

02:14:45.000 Domestic pigs have gotten out, domesticated farm pigs, And after a few generations they grow, you know, two foot long hair, foot long hair, huge tusks.

02:14:56.000 They're wild boars.

02:14:59.000 And they destroy your crops.

02:15:00.000 So what you do is you set up a little gate and a little fence, and you put a corn feeder out in front of it.

02:15:05.000 You run that for a few weeks, get them used to eating at it, and you slowly move it into the fence. 0.99

02:15:10.000 Then you leave it in the fence for a few weeks with the gate open because the stupid ones will go in at first. 0.54

02:15:16.000 Then once the whole pack sees or the whole troop sees that it's safe, they all go in and you put an electronic timer on it that goes off ten minutes after the corn shoots out. 1.00

02:15:26.000 They all go in, you close the gate, you load the hogs up and send them off to slaughter. 1.00

02:15:31.000 This is what this social welfare net has done.

02:15:34.000 Send both the husband and wife to work. 0.98

02:15:36.000 Tax everybody.

02:15:37.000 Oh, but we're going to have a social safety net.

02:15:39.000 Now that we're domesticated, they're taking the social safety net away.

02:15:42.000 They're taking the corn away.

02:15:44.000 We've got troops with arms and legs blown off that don't get disability or get like 5% disability. 0.94

02:15:53.000 I know people who've got children that are totally retarded. 1.00

02:15:57.000 What got me was that it's a local farmer that's the GP, Justice of the Peace, and in the past I'm going to tell you that he's been responsive and fair, I'm going to say as fair as possible, and here he charged a guy $150 for not having a steering knob on his steering wheel.

02:16:15.000 Well, that's what it's like.

02:16:16.000 They take the services away that we pay for, They're now taking the grain away.

02:16:21.000 Because we're already in the cage, why keep feeding us grain?

02:16:25.000 And then they start the slaughter, the bleeding, the shearing.

02:16:28.000 And then they start... Almost everybody I know that drives dump trucks and construction vehicles is out of business.

02:16:34.000 If you're one of the big companies, they leave you alone in Central Texas.

02:16:37.000 If you're the small company, they pull you over.

02:16:39.000 One drop of dust on your bumper, $500 fine.

02:16:43.000 People are losing their houses, losing everything they got.

02:16:45.000 They still lick the government's boots. 1.00

02:16:48.000 And this is what it's designed to do.

02:16:50.000 Everybody's going to go out of business.

02:16:51.000 Everybody's going to be a slave.

02:16:53.000 Everybody's going to work for a big corporation and do what they say.

02:16:56.000 Thanks for the call, sir.

02:16:56.000 I appreciate it.

02:16:58.000 And I'm sorry for your friend, but, uh, I mean, you don't think you're going to pay your money into a government that's owned by private crime syndicates and they're going to pay you, do you?

02:17:06.000 They got you in shackles now. 0.93

02:17:07.000 They got you in the pig cage.

02:17:09.000 And there's no reason once you got the pigs to feed them anymore.

02:17:13.000 They got us in the cage.

02:17:15.000 And, you know, a few of us went into the cage at first, and now those that won't go in the cage, they're just saying, okay, new freedom initiative.

02:17:22.000 We're going to forcibly, psychologically test you and say you're mentally ill and put you on drugs.

02:17:26.000 Or, okay, your child draws a stick figure with a knife. 0.98

02:17:31.000 We're going to put them in prison at age ten.

02:17:34.000 Everything's going to be a crime. 0.98

02:17:35.000 You're going in the pig cage, and you're going to the slaughterhouse.

02:17:38.000 Do you understand? 0.99

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02:21:53.000 Alright, Daryl and Jim and Mark and Ron and Stanford, your calls are all coming up and a smattering of other news.

02:22:01.000 Right now, let's keep going to your calls.

02:22:03.000 Daryl in Tennessee.

02:22:04.000 Go ahead, Daryl.

02:22:04.000 Yeah, I had a question for you, Alex.

02:22:06.000 A while back on your broadcast, you had mentioned William Cooper dying.

02:22:10.000 Yeah.

02:22:12.000 I only know a little bit.

02:22:13.000 I only read his book, Behold the White Pale Horse.

02:22:16.000 Could you tell me a little bit about him?

02:22:18.000 I don't know much about him.

02:22:19.000 I figured you might know.

02:22:19.000 Do you have a computer?

02:22:22.000 Not at this time, no.

02:22:25.000 The best thing to do is, I can't do it justice, is just go to the library.

02:22:28.000 It's free.

02:22:29.000 And type William Cooper, the whole lapel horse, into a search engine.

02:22:33.000 And you can spend hours reading about it.

02:22:35.000 You can see the death certificate and the autopsy report and read the news articles about it.

02:22:40.000 Okay.

02:22:41.000 But Bill, I think, was a good guy.

02:22:42.000 Certainly wasn't a government agent.

02:22:44.000 Highly decorated veteran in Vietnam.

02:22:45.000 Gunboat captain.

02:22:47.000 And a lot of what he said panned out to be true.

02:22:49.000 A lot of stuff he reported on he later said that was disinfo that he had planted on him.

02:22:54.000 And then he got a little bit, I guess, depressed at the end.

02:22:58.000 And really was highly combative.

02:23:00.000 I mean, he put out an alert saying he needed help with the IRS.

02:23:02.000 So I called him up to have him on as a guest.

02:23:04.000 And he started cussing.

02:23:07.000 You know, and that's what I heard he did to his neighbors and people.

02:23:09.000 And he got into it with the local police.

02:23:12.000 And then I don't know exactly what happened, but a police officer got shot in the face and almost died, and Bill Cooper and his dog got blown away.

02:23:18.000 And, uh, you know, I don't know what else to say about it.

02:23:23.000 Okay, well I didn't know if any of the stuff that he had written on was, was, uh, part tangible evidence or worthwhile.

02:23:29.000 Because I found that book a little hard to believe, and he wouldn't really name the sources, so I just kind of wanted to know.

02:23:35.000 Yeah, there's enough stuff that's so bizarre that's documented, it's hard to believe.

02:23:39.000 You know, why talk about stuff you can't prove?

02:23:41.000 Well, that's why I like your program, because you back it up with the legislation and things like this.

02:23:47.000 Overall, I think Bill was a good guy, and I'm sad that his passing.

02:23:51.000 Take care.

02:23:52.000 Thank you.

02:23:52.000 Appreciate it.

02:23:53.000 Let's talk to Jim in Michigan.

02:23:55.000 Jim, go ahead.

02:23:57.000 Good morning, or good afternoon, Alex.

02:24:00.000 I've got three items here.

02:24:03.000 The Phyllis Shafley report I just got, she's 100% against Bush now.

02:24:08.000 Remember she was kind of waffling when she was on your program?

02:24:11.000 Yes.

02:24:11.000 And she's against the FTAA and the CAFTA and all this.

02:24:14.000 Well, yeah, now that they got Bush back in, now all these groups can come out and go, oh, we're conservative. 0.98

02:24:22.000 She's against Bush's feminist mischief, the women in combat and all this crap. 1.00

02:24:27.000 That's another thing. 0.98

02:24:28.000 Everybody pulled their hair out about women in combat.

02:24:30.000 Bush is actually doing it.

02:24:32.000 He's out-Clinton-ing Clinton.

02:24:34.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:24:35.000 In the name of being a conservative.

02:24:38.000 And another deal here, I've got a couple more items.

02:24:41.000 Are you familiar with Carl Miller, aka Richard Champion?

02:24:46.000 Yes.

02:24:47.000 Okay, I went down to court yesterday and the judge, he was finally allowed to be, we got him out of the nuthouse.

02:24:54.000 They forcibly tried to put stuff in him and I found out you have to resist or you lack resistance.

02:24:59.000 By the way, we're talking to the founder of Domino's Pizza right now.

02:25:04.000 And, uh, anyway... Why don't you tell them about that, Jim? 0.96

02:25:07.000 No, I mean, you're talking about somebody who fought the courts, exposed their corruption, they grab them, say they're mentally ill.

02:25:11.000 Yeah, nobody was around.

02:25:12.000 A top army doctor says, they admit, was it Waco, and he sees them kill the people, and he reports on it, so they grab him.

02:25:20.000 Seven years in solitary confinement, forced drugging, uh, no charges have even been brought against him.

02:25:25.000 This is happening everywhere.

02:25:27.000 Well, now they got him on five felony counts of firearms.

02:25:29.000 Well, he knows the Second Amendment's valid. 0.88

02:25:32.000 And the judge yesterday, Judge Bronson, said that since they finally got him out of the non-office, he can be his own lawyer.

02:25:39.000 They tried to prevent him from doing that.

02:25:41.000 He knows the law inside out, backwards, and the Michigan court rules the same way, which the judges don't even understand.

02:25:52.000 They broke every law in the books when they incarcerated him.

02:25:55.000 They didn't fill out the proper forms.

02:25:57.000 Hey, the White House has said the government is the law.

02:26:00.000 They don't even have to follow their own laws.

02:26:01.000 They're God.

02:26:04.000 There's a word for that.

02:26:05.000 It's called tyranny.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, really.

02:26:08.000 And the judge says, well, I'd like to implement my actions.

02:26:14.000 He says they're all without merit, so he's got to fight it from there on.

02:26:17.000 He's fighting it from prison.

02:26:19.000 Got a guy named Dean Hazel there.

02:26:21.000 Send me some info on it.

02:26:23.000 Good to hear from you, Jim.

02:26:24.000 Mark in New York.

02:26:26.000 Go ahead, Mark.

02:26:27.000 Alex?

02:26:28.000 Yes, sir.

02:26:28.000 You know, I had a thought.

02:26:29.000 Supposedly, we're training a lot of troops, Iraqis, to become their own army at this time.

02:26:37.000 What they've done is put 98% of the Ba'athas back in. 0.74

02:26:41.000 Okay, well, they're going to be armed, obviously, and have weapons, guns, and everything.

02:26:48.000 Now, if Bush plans on attacking Iran in the near future, what happens if those Iraqi troops turn against the American soldiers while they're attacking Iran?

02:27:01.000 Well, that's not going to happen.

02:27:02.000 Saddam never turned on his masters.

02:27:04.000 Saddam was put in by our government, ordered to invade Iran, told to go ahead and invade Kuwait, and they set him up. 0.88

02:27:10.000 So as long as our government doesn't set up the new public government, they're not going to do anything bad.

02:27:14.000 I see.

02:27:15.000 Okay.

02:27:16.000 That's a good question.

02:27:19.000 Imagine the poor Iraqis, man. 1.00

02:27:20.000 They're seeing all the Ba'athists put back in. 1.00

02:27:23.000 That wouldn't make you very happy, would it?

02:27:24.000 It'd make me sick.

02:27:26.000 Anything else?

02:27:27.000 No.

02:27:27.000 Thanks for the show.

02:27:29.000 Thank you for the call.

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02:31:00.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

02:31:03.000 And we're about to go to Ron and Stanford and Robert and a few other callers.

02:31:08.000 And then I want to get into 10-year-olds being arrested for drawing stick figures with knives.

02:31:13.000 And I want to get into just a whole other big stack of vital news.

02:31:17.000 But before we go to these final calls here in the last 26 minutes that we've got left on this Thursday, the 27th of January, 2005 edition, I am honored, I am pleased to have, well, Debbie from New Millennium Concepts on.

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02:32:00.000 And they've got a whole plethora of different items to offer, and Debbie, good to have you on with us.

02:32:05.000 Hi Alex, thank you very much for having me.

02:32:08.000 It's always good to hear your voice, Debbie.

02:32:11.000 You know, I really don't have words to describe.

02:32:13.000 If people don't buy your filters, and don't stop drinking the poisonous water, this is something where they can take control from the New World Order.

02:32:21.000 And 70% of your life is water.

02:32:24.000 You gotta have it to live.

02:32:25.000 And why people do this, why people don't do it, I know they're procrastinating.

02:32:30.000 I have no idea.

02:32:31.000 And some little cheap, you know, $50 gizmo at the store just takes bad flavor out.

02:32:36.000 These charcoal filters do nothing, folks, but take some of the bad flavor out.

02:32:40.000 Maybe big fat bacteria. 0.94

02:32:42.000 You know, amoeba-sized stuff.

02:32:44.000 Tell them what the Berkeys do. 1.00

02:32:46.000 Um, actually the Berkey lights have the new Berkey water filters made in America have what's called our black Berkey purification elements in them Alex.

02:32:56.000 And they take out pathogenic bacteria, cysts, and parasites to a non-detectable level.

02:33:02.000 And I would tell you something, you do not realize where you're getting those from.

02:33:07.000 I was reading an article in a magazine at the store the other day.

02:33:12.000 I was out somewhere.

02:33:14.000 And it's said that 80% of airplanes do not drink the coffee, the tea, the ice, the water because 80% of the airplanes tested the water they were using had bacteria in it.

02:33:27.000 If you're in a mobile home, an RV, you know, those storage tanks are not clean.

02:33:33.000 You're pumping water in from these hoses and they're in the storage tanks or however they're coming up.

02:33:40.000 Yeah, you have to be aware that you're getting these bacterias from everywhere, you know, and by birthing your water first, by taking your tap water, whether you're on a well, whether you're using your rainwater, whether you're in the city, by birthing your water, you're at least taking some control of your life of what's going in your body.

02:34:07.000 Well, I agree, but I've read about these tanks in RVs and in mobile homes.

02:34:11.000 I just didn't believe it, you know, because I really was surprised that a regular magazine, worldly magazine, would have right there in bold print, you know, that 80% of the airplanes tested had bacteria in the water, do not drink the ice, don't eat the tea.

02:34:26.000 And usually when I fly, which I like to fly a lot, you know, because everybody I think knows I'm from California and I visit home a lot, And I fly all the time and I'll drink coffee on the plane or I'll have, you know, ice water.

02:34:38.000 Of course, they give you bottle water, but I always take my Berkey Sport bottle anyway.

02:34:43.000 And somebody got blessed with one recently because I accidentally left one on a plane.

02:34:48.000 Absolutely.

02:34:49.000 Absolutely.

02:34:50.000 Let me go over this for a second.

02:34:52.000 You talk about the tanks in an RV.

02:34:54.000 Again, the water goes in slowly, is taken out slowly, and I've read about this.

02:34:59.000 When they open these tanks up after years, there will be a thick skim of scum on the top of the surface.

02:35:07.000 Absolutely. 0.73

02:35:08.000 I mean, even, like, how many times have you made iced tea and kind of left it out because it's a hot summer day or whatever, and you leave it out on the counter?

02:35:19.000 And then you take a drink, and it's kind of thick, and it's horrible, and you go, oh, yuck.

02:35:25.000 You know, because something grew in that.

02:35:27.000 Well, same thing, think of the heat.

02:35:29.000 It's a dark, wet environment.

02:35:32.000 And the Berkeys do fit in an RV. 0.97

02:35:35.000 I have a very good friend who has one in his RV and he had to kind of make a spot for it.

02:35:41.000 And, you know, he put it so that it doesn't topple over, except if he makes a really fast right-hand turn.

02:35:46.000 No, I'm kidding.

02:35:48.000 But there are ways to even, you know, put one in your RV, put one on your boat, take them with you.

02:35:53.000 There's a very prominent musician from Austin who listens to your program.

02:36:01.000 And a couple years ago, for Christmas, he bought Berkey Lights for every single one of his travel buses.

02:36:08.000 For all of his RVs, for all of his staff, his crew, you know.

02:36:14.000 Who won't say any names?

02:36:15.000 No, I won't.

02:36:16.000 I know that too.

02:36:18.000 No, I know, I know.

02:36:21.000 But no, that's true.

02:36:21.000 He's a great guy.

02:36:23.000 But for those that just joined us, they need to give you a call, ask about the different specials.

02:36:30.000 You know, the sports bottles, the units for the kitchen, all of it.

02:36:35.000 You need the shower filters, that's where you're inhaling a lot of this, and it's going through your skin as well, one of the biggest areas.

02:36:40.000 Oh, and I thought of something the other day, too.

02:36:42.000 Let me tell you this, Alex, because I've had people ask me if we have a filter for the bathtub, and I always say, no, we don't, you know?

02:36:53.000 But if somebody were to put the shower filter in the shower part of their bathtub, And then go to like a store and buy a $10 hand-held shower head, you know the kind on the hose?

02:37:06.000 Let me just stop you there.

02:37:07.000 With my family, with my children, when they take baths, yes, I went to stores.

02:37:13.000 They do not sell them that go over the faucet.

02:37:17.000 What you do is you just take the long cord with the shower in.

02:37:22.000 And you fill your bathtub up!

02:37:23.000 And you fill your bathtub up, and they know exactly what I've done.

02:37:27.000 I just figured that out!

02:37:28.000 I mean, I can't believe the light bulb went off a couple days ago when I went, oh no!

02:37:33.000 Great minds think alike, Debbie.

02:37:35.000 We're improvising. 1.00

02:37:36.000 I'm going to put my little ones in that toxic garbage. 1.00

02:37:38.000 Yeah, so you can do that even if you have a bathtub. 0.98

02:37:41.000 So for those people who do that... Okay, well let's give them the number, Debbie.

02:37:43.000 Let's give them the number.

02:37:44.000 It's toll free 1-888-803-4438.

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02:37:51.000 Alright, 888-803-4438.

02:37:54.000 Debbie's a great lady.

02:37:56.000 Give her a call. 0.96

02:37:57.000 If the phone's busy, leave your name and number.

02:37:59.000 She'll call you right back.

02:38:03.000 888-803-4438.

02:38:03.000 Debbie, thanks a million for coming on with us.

02:38:05.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:38:06.000 Have a wonderful weekend.

02:38:08.000 Thanks for all you do and the great sponsorship.

02:38:08.000 You too.

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02:38:21.000 Well, they upgraded it to an even higher standard with the black Berkey elements in the cases, made in America. 0.54

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02:38:33.000 I know it's evil, we have American-made products here on the show, I understand I'm liberal.

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02:38:53.000 Give her a call. 0.96

02:38:54.000 Okay, let's go back to the calls.

02:38:55.000 Thanks for sitting through that, folks.

02:38:57.000 It's easy to listen to Debbie, but hard to listen to me, I know.

02:39:00.000 Let's go ahead and talk to, I guess, up next here would be Ron in New York.

02:39:06.000 Ron, go ahead.

02:39:08.000 How you doing, Alex?

02:39:09.000 Good, sir.

02:39:10.000 Can I get Greg Ellis' phone number off the air?

02:39:13.000 You had him on last week or two weeks ago?

02:39:15.000 Yeah, I don't have Greg Powell's phone number in front of me.

02:39:18.000 He lives in England and he also lives in New York.

02:39:21.000 There's a couple points here.

02:39:23.000 They're using Bush's strong points in his personality to invoke an emotional response in people.

02:39:31.000 You know, how they've orchestrated his walk, his talk, his strut to You get people to respond emotionally, and with that image, that's how they're drawn to him.

02:39:44.000 No, he constantly talks about God, he constantly talks about freedom and liberty, when he's the exact opposite.

02:39:51.000 And there's a reporter on CNN last week that asked him, what is the best, what is the strongest way we can improve our security, national security?

02:40:03.000 And here's his answer, quote, We need to get into the minds and the mail of the enemy.

02:40:10.000 That was his answer.

02:40:12.000 Now, that speaks volumes.

02:40:14.000 What was really being said here is we need to get into the minds and the mail of the American people.

02:40:20.000 Well, that's what they're doing!

02:40:21.000 Exactly.

02:40:22.000 I mean, when the Supreme Court on Monday said we're going to search all your vehicles with drug dogs, no Fourth Amendment needed, no probable cause.

02:40:29.000 I mean, the Fourth Amendment's still there.

02:40:31.000 They can say it's gone.

02:40:32.000 It's still there.

02:40:33.000 This is criminal.

02:40:34.000 This is seditious.

02:40:36.000 And the borders are wide open.

02:40:37.000 Thanks for the call.

02:40:38.000 Ron, I really appreciate it.

02:40:39.000 I'm sorry I don't have Greg's phone number in front of me.

02:40:41.000 I don't think I can give you his own phone numbers.

02:40:43.000 You can go to gregpowles.com and email him if you want to try to get in contact with him.

02:40:50.000 I'm not in a position to give out our guests' phone numbers unless they want them given out.

02:40:54.000 Let's talk to Stanford in New Jersey.

02:40:58.000 Stanford, go ahead.

02:40:59.000 Hey, how you doing?

02:41:00.000 Good, sir.

02:41:00.000 Good.

02:41:01.000 Yeah, I was just, first of all, I wanted to ask you this question.

02:41:03.000 Is Pat Robertson a Mason? 0.85

02:41:07.000 Yes, he's a devil worshipper. 0.96

02:41:08.000 Okay.

02:41:10.000 Also, I wanted to say, I'm starting to now, I just basically started getting on your website And it's like I'm starting to see this picture of what's been going on.

02:41:23.000 Yeah, that's all we do is post their documents, their news, but it's the condensed news that's mixed in with all the other, you know, what's Michael Jackson doing, what's Lacey Peterson doing.

02:41:32.000 We cut all that out.

02:41:35.000 It's kind of like straining the gold out of the sand.

02:41:37.000 We go through a big bucket of sand and get a few grains of gold, but we go through tons of sand and get you buckets of gold just to show you what they admit what they're doing.

02:41:46.000 And to be clear about Pat Robertson, that may hurt people's feelings when I said it.

02:41:51.000 He is a high-level Mason, and the higher-level Masons know who they're worshipping.

02:41:57.000 It's Lucifer.

02:41:57.000 He's on the lion's paw on the cover of Time Magazine.

02:42:00.000 That's on my website.

02:42:01.000 That is a very satanic signal.

02:42:03.000 That's no accident.

02:42:05.000 He tells us George Bush is good.

02:42:08.000 His dad was a World Bank chief.

02:42:14.000 He pushes a faith-based initiative.

02:42:15.000 The Fed's taking over the churches.

02:42:17.000 And, let me add this, Pat Robertson said, and I quote, China's doing the right thing with its aggressive Planned Parenthood. 0.96

02:42:26.000 You know, what are they going to do?

02:42:28.000 They've got to do what they're doing.

02:42:30.000 When he was asked, is forced abortion good?

02:42:33.000 That was his answer.

02:42:35.000 And I'm sorry folks, forced abortion is satanic. 0.97

02:42:38.000 Don't be, don't be.

02:42:39.000 Look, look.

02:42:40.000 You, for me, you have uncovered, you've pointed to the wolf for me here, you know?

02:42:46.000 I didn't realize all this stuff was going on.

02:42:48.000 We're a bunch of lambs out here, you know what I mean?

02:42:51.000 We're not watching or paying attention.

02:42:53.000 I say that what you're doing, I want to commend you for opening my eyes.

02:42:57.000 I've only been looking for a week.

02:42:58.000 I can't get any sleep.

02:43:00.000 I'm on that thing all night.

02:43:01.000 I'm looking at all the stuff about what happened in New York.

02:43:04.000 I'm looking real close at the images.

02:43:06.000 I see what did Building 7 go down for?

02:43:10.000 I'm looking at the two Twin Towers.

02:43:12.000 I'm looking at the puffs of smoke on each side.

02:43:15.000 Then I look at Building 7.

02:43:16.000 I see the same puffs of smoke in the same location.

02:43:20.000 What's this all about?

02:43:22.000 One cannot be told about the Matrix.

02:43:24.000 One must see it.

02:43:25.000 You're right.

02:43:26.000 You took the red pill.

02:43:27.000 I don't want to hear it. 1.00

02:43:28.000 They're all a bunch of bums. 0.99

02:43:30.000 I'm just going to say this. 0.99

02:43:32.000 I don't know who's listening out there, but Jesus Christ is Lord, and he's going to bust every last one of them.

02:43:39.000 And I just thank the Lord for you.

02:43:41.000 Well, I thank the Lord for you as well, and you're absolutely right.

02:43:43.000 God is going to crush these people.

02:43:45.000 Look, we ain't going to win. 0.51

02:43:47.000 You're right.

02:43:47.000 I want to encourage you.

02:43:48.000 This nation is for the Lord.

02:43:50.000 This belongs to God.

02:43:53.000 Nothing.

02:43:54.000 Well, it always gets darkest before the dawn.

02:43:57.000 And God needs us to stand up and wake others up so they can find the truth.

02:44:01.000 Our job is to put the information out so people like you, whose hearts and minds are in the right direction, can get the full picture.

02:44:08.000 I'm telling you, if any Christians that I know knew this information, they'd be, I'm mad! 1.00

02:44:15.000 You could hear it in me.

02:44:16.000 But a lot of them, though, are delusional and they don't have the same spirit you've got.

02:44:21.000 They'll just laugh at us.

02:44:23.000 A strong delusion has been sent to them and they can't see the truth.

02:44:28.000 Hey, I appreciate your call, Stanford.

02:44:30.000 Keep calling in and I'm glad that for a week you found out about this stuff and that you're awake and you're taking action.

02:44:36.000 That's the kind of call I like.

02:44:37.000 It's somebody who's angry, who's got that tremor in their voice, who sees this for what it is.

02:44:42.000 That's the natural response.

02:44:44.000 Don't let yourself get Get acclimated to where you finally start accepting this stuff.

02:44:50.000 That's the danger of a broadcast like this.

02:44:52.000 When you do this as long as I've done it, you know, you start getting used to it.

02:44:55.000 You know, each new horrible revelation doesn't get you as angry as the last because you're so used to it.

02:45:02.000 Keep that fresh indignance.

02:45:04.000 Keep that fresh anger.

02:45:05.000 You know, the same type of anger that Christ had when he whipped the money changers.

02:45:09.000 That's what we need.

02:45:11.000 Michael in Florida.

02:45:12.000 Michael, you're on the air.

02:45:13.000 Go ahead.

02:45:15.000 Okay, well, Michael's not there.

02:45:16.000 We'll go to Russell.

02:45:18.000 Go ahead, Russell.

02:45:19.000 Hey, Alex.

02:45:19.000 Good to talk to you again.

02:45:20.000 It's been a while.

02:45:21.000 Good to talk to you.

02:45:23.000 Got some good news.

02:45:24.000 You talk about that anger.

02:45:25.000 The anger that I have been able to build up against the New World Order has enabled me to wake a lot of people up using your information.

02:45:35.000 And I also have a radio program that I'm going to be on here.

02:45:40.000 Actually, not on.

02:45:41.000 It's going to be my radio program.

02:45:42.000 It's going to be two hours a week.

02:45:44.000 And I'd love to have you on as a guest.

02:45:46.000 Sure.

02:45:46.000 Just email us or contact us.

02:45:49.000 I'll be glad to.

02:45:50.000 Absolutely.

02:45:52.000 Regarding George Norrie, you're going to be in studio with him on Friday.

02:45:58.000 I don't know how to say this, but you have to impress upon him that 9-11 was an inside job.

02:46:05.000 George is a good guy.

02:46:06.000 You know him.

02:46:07.000 He has me on to say it.

02:46:09.000 I guess that's probably what it is.

02:46:11.000 He has other people on to... George has got his own views.

02:46:14.000 Look, that's a venue to reach the people and he does not censor.

02:46:19.000 I can't complain.

02:46:21.000 It is wonderful.

02:46:22.000 I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

02:46:24.000 No, I agree.

02:46:25.000 I agree.

02:46:26.000 But somehow impress upon him People are waking up and we have a lot to be thankful for.

02:46:31.000 for a penny and for a pound.

02:46:34.000 I mean, the show definitely is having a lot of people on there telling the truth.

02:46:38.000 Absolutely.

02:46:39.000 I'm sorry.

02:46:41.000 Go ahead.

02:46:41.000 It's definitely going in the right direction.

02:46:43.000 It is.

02:46:44.000 People are waking up, and we have a lot to be thankful for.

02:46:49.000 I wanted you to make a comment on these articles I read in the Sentinel.

02:46:54.000 Did you read anything about the, it was an AP article, US won't fumigate Afghan poppies?

02:46:59.000 Did you see that article?

02:47:00.000 Well, I mean, they went from a couple thousand tons to, you know, just ten times that amount in opium producing for heroin, and it's all being grown, and the only thing that gets sprayed is somebody who didn't pay their cut, and our government publicly ships the opium out.

02:47:18.000 I mean, it's not even debatable.

02:47:20.000 They're using Wall Street to funnel the government.

02:47:22.000 And then it comes out in the newspapers that, hey, our government runs these fields, there's nothing we're going to do about it, ha ha ha, but we're going to SWAT team your house looking for it.

02:47:29.000 Right.

02:47:30.000 And then one other article is, there was a report that came out by RAND that says, guarding planes against missiles, too costly.

02:47:37.000 Yeah, we've got to put missile defenses on.

02:47:40.000 Yeah.

02:47:40.000 You talk about the Fox Guard and the Hent House, the RAND Corporation, you talk about evil.

02:47:46.000 Absolutely.

02:47:47.000 Well, they're saying it's too costly.

02:47:49.000 You know who the most evil corporation is though, right?

02:47:52.000 It's not the private Federal Reserve, it's IBM.

02:47:57.000 You want to talk about that?

02:47:58.000 The top of the pyramid, it's international business machines, my friend.

02:48:03.000 You think that's more evil than the private Federal Reserve, huh?

02:48:06.000 I'm telling you, every time we look, as top strategists involved in everything, you want to talk about just one of the main heads, the biggest, fattest, Grizzliest looking head on the Hydra's IBM.

02:48:18.000 Hey, God bless you Alex.

02:48:20.000 Thank you.

02:48:20.000 Alright, thank you.

02:48:21.000 I appreciate the call.

02:48:21.000 I mean, it's just... a bottomless pit of wickedness.

02:48:27.000 But it's the main family of the Bohemian Rove. 0.78

02:48:29.000 It's, uh... Mr. Watson.

02:48:32.000 I like all the pictures of him with Hitler. 0.89

02:48:36.000 They came up with a whole numbering system for the Jews, and they're behind the national ID card here. 0.58

02:48:41.000 They've numbered your genes, the number of a man.

02:48:44.000 Hey folks, Alex Jones here.

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02:49:12.000 You see them here with their hands cupped behind their backs.

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02:51:38.000 All right, in the news.

02:51:52.000 Developed world births falling to new record levels, BBC.

02:51:59.000 Within 100 years, the white population will be 2% of the world population and perhaps not even exist.

02:52:11.000 Okay.

02:52:13.000 Sounds like genocide to me, but I guess it's good if you're not for it.

02:52:17.000 Bush arrested, oh I'm having Freudian slips here, boys arrested for stick figure drawings.

02:52:23.000 I actually just had a Freudian slip, I just said Bush arrested.

02:52:26.000 I literally just spurted that out.

02:52:28.000 It's boys arrested for stick figure drawings.

02:52:31.000 AP, two boys were arrested for making pencil and crayon stick figure drawings depicting a ten year old classmate being stabbed and hung.

02:52:38.000 Police said the children charged with felony were taken from school in handcuffs instead of just getting a paddling.

02:52:44.000 The nine and ten year old boys were arrested Monday and charged with making a written threat to kill and harm another person.

02:52:50.000 And, uh, another drawing showed a stick figure hanging, tears falling from their eyes.

02:52:56.000 Folks, I never drew stuff like that, but I drew army tanks and soldiers fighting.

02:53:01.000 I think we all did.

02:53:02.000 And I hear cases of kids being arrested for that.

02:53:04.000 Uh, you know, a kid jokes and says, I'm gonna hijack the school bus when they're ten.

02:53:08.000 They arrest them, charge them as a terrorist. 1.00

02:53:10.000 This is dumb! 0.97

02:53:11.000 And then the kids go home and watch violent TV, play video games where they do all this, and that's all alright, but then when you show it in any art form, then you go to jail as a terrorist. 0.99

02:53:22.000 A British citizen subject to curfews, tagging under new terror powers.

02:53:26.000 Associated Press, the British government announced Wednesday, proposed sweeping new powers to control suspected terrorists, including electronic tagging, curfews, and house arrest of people who have not been convicted of crimes, all part of the new freedom.

02:53:38.000 36 U.S.

02:53:39.000 troops died just a few days ago in one day, 20-something yesterday.

02:53:43.000 I mean, it's getting really, really bad.

02:53:45.000 FBI says Boston threat of false alarm.

02:53:47.000 That's after they fear-mongered and trained you how to be a slave.

02:53:51.000 ID scheme to track students progresses, the advertiser.

02:53:54.000 It says all their data, all their information will be on the ID cards.

02:53:57.000 This trains the kids for your new national ID card to be your report card to the world.

02:54:02.000 They'll have to swipe it to see what your threat assessment is.

02:54:05.000 Quit smoking or lose your job, U.S.

02:54:07.000 company says.

02:54:08.000 This is out of Reuters.

02:54:09.000 I've heard neocons on the air going, yeah, fire people if they smoke, or fire them if they don't take a drug test for smoking.

02:54:20.000 Oh, it's so good, but the problem is, then it's going to be for eating too much beef, or eating too much cheese, or drug tests to see if you drank alcohol in the last month.

02:54:31.000 I've seen articles where they fire cops who are caught smoking cigars at parties in Florida because it's illegal for a cop to smoke. 0.91

02:54:39.000 You know, it's ridiculous. 0.63

02:54:41.000 The push for mass double-think, Bush targets tyranny, the Boston Herald told it like it was. 0.89

02:54:47.000 I'm out of time, ladies and gentlemen.

02:54:49.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight, Central Standard Time.

02:54:53.000 Back tomorrow, 11 to 2, Central Standard Time.

02:54:56.000 And yes, on George Norrie tomorrow, We're at least three hours, maybe four, I haven't been told yet, from live in studio here in Austin, Texas.

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02:56:22.000 All right.

02:56:23.000 That's it for this edition.

02:56:25.000 This is the 27th of January, 2005 edition.

02:56:29.000 And as I said, we'll be back tomorrow, 11 to 2 Central.

Alex Jones Show - January 27, 2005

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