Alex Jones Show - 20050210_Thu_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:41.000 Glad that you were able to join us today.

00:00:43.000 It is Thursday, the 10th day of February, 2005.

00:00:47.000 We're 10 days into the second month of this year, and I still am not used to saying 2005.

00:00:57.000 Welcome.

00:00:58.000 We've got a guest coming up.

00:00:59.000 We're going to talk about 9-11.

00:01:02.000 And the big hit piece that is coming out, we have an advanced copy, that is coming out next week in Popular Mechanics, and it illustrates how the establishment carries out their propaganda actions on a host of fronts.

00:01:20.000 So, this will kind of be a lesson in how the establishment builds up straw men.

00:01:28.000 And then tears them down.

00:01:29.000 They don't fight our real arguments.

00:01:31.000 They don't fight our real evidence. 0.95

00:01:34.000 They play a lot of silly little tricks.

00:01:37.000 And being conscious of those tricks, you'll find them pulling it on toll roads in your area, or on taxes, or on your school policies, or on the war in Iraq, or a hundred other issues.

00:01:51.000 They have the same handbook, the same system.

00:01:55.000 And you can always tell when it's got the mark of a Pentagon on it.

00:02:01.000 Because they follow... it's... you can guess what they're going to write next.

00:02:06.000 I mean, it's not hard.

00:02:07.000 Speaking of that, Pentagon to broadcast to millions of U.S.

00:02:12.000 homes.

00:02:14.000 The U.S.

00:02:15.000 military is to beam its own news coverage to millions of Americans.

00:02:19.000 Moving on from its phase of embedding journalists, or as some would say, a policy of restricting and controlling the flow of information, the Pentagon will now produce and disseminate the news itself.

00:02:34.000 Now, two years ago they announced, two and a half years ago, time is flying, oh, we're going to have the Pentagon Office of Strategic Influence and we're going to lie to you!

00:02:45.000 And then, that was the end of the report.

00:02:48.000 And now we see the lying.

00:02:50.000 And if they ever get caught lying, they can just say, well, we said we'd lie to you.

00:02:55.000 As if that makes it okay.

00:02:56.000 It's like, now I'm gonna drop by and rob your house, okay?

00:03:00.000 Not just joking, and then when I come rob your house, you go, it was just a game.

00:03:04.000 I told you I was coming by to rob it.

00:03:08.000 Unbelievable.

00:03:10.000 Propaganda.

00:03:11.000 So we'll be going over this report.

00:03:13.000 Caught Taser's boy into cardiac arrest.

00:03:18.000 Taser International's answer, increase the power.

00:03:22.000 Yes, now it's like 80 something deaths in the last two years.

00:03:25.000 A few months ago it was 74 deaths.

00:03:29.000 And all these people going into cardiac arrest, having all these problems.

00:03:32.000 Their answer, increase the power.

00:03:36.000 And there's another headline, Chicago Sun-Times.

00:03:38.000 Both these are out of the Chicago Sun-Times.

00:03:40.000 Gun-toting cops on drug raid bust two-year-old's birthday party.

00:03:45.000 Now again, what we do is we go to the Chicago Sun-Times or pick a paper like the Washington Post or pick a paper like the Miami Herald.

00:03:53.000 We can only go to so many papers every day.

00:03:55.000 If we were to go to the other newspapers, I'm sure you'll find stuff worse than this.

00:04:00.000 There's so much horrible stuff.

00:04:02.000 Literally, we're swimming in piles of it.

00:04:04.000 We just have to kind of reach in and scoop out some of the cess to analyze it here on air.

00:04:11.000 It's just an endless sea.

00:04:13.000 Horizon to horizon.

00:04:17.000 Nothing eclipses it.

00:04:18.000 It's just unending.

00:04:19.000 Constantly producing more and more at an exponential rate.

00:04:27.000 But we'll go over it.

00:04:28.000 Blair says they're not going to rule out attacking Iran. 1.00

00:04:30.000 Yeah!

00:04:31.000 Man, we're losing in Iraq.

00:04:33.000 Let's go to Iran. 0.94

00:04:34.000 That's a great plan.

00:04:36.000 Our own government admits they're four years away from a nuke, if they're even trying to make one, but let's invade now.

00:04:41.000 Come on! 0.61

00:04:46.000 It's fun to watch stuff blowing up on TV.

00:04:48.000 We can sit back and eat pizza and drink beer.

00:04:49.000 You know, liquor sales were record during the shock and awe. 1.00

00:04:54.000 It's fun to kill them Arabs. 1.00

00:04:56.000 We'll be right back. 0.99

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00:07:56.000 Big Brother.

00:08:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:21.000 All right, 8 minutes, 35 seconds into this first hour.

00:08:38.000 It's our second segment.

00:08:39.000 Thank you for joining us today on this Thursday edition.

00:08:43.000 We're going to be, of course, taking your phone calls throughout the broadcast today and we've got a special guest coming up to talk about some of the latest 9-11 information and the government spin coming out of some of their shoddier uh...

00:09:01.000 little organs so you do not want to miss that in the second hour the toll free number to join us one eight hundred two five nine ninety two thirty one one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one of course the website all freshly updated for you daily multiple times daily by the way are in the full wars dot com prison planet dot com and prison planet dot tv

00:09:29.000 If you're joining us for the first time, you're wondering, what's this broadcast about?

00:09:32.000 Who is this Alex Jones individual?

00:09:35.000 Well, I'm somebody who loves freedom, and I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.

00:09:39.000 And I know that both parties are controlled by a global crime syndicate.

00:09:43.000 A global mafia that calls itself Globalist, or the New World Order, or those for global governance.

00:09:52.000 But it all means the same thing.

00:09:54.000 And they're giving us national ID cards, they are de-industrializing us, their public plan is to only let us have one child, their public plan is to forcibly drug at least half the population by 2010, and yes, even put microchips under our skin forcibly, and by 2025, to forcibly put brain chips in our brain.

00:10:16.000 That's the Army's own report, and I had a top professor on earlier this week saying how great it is, and admitting he knows about the military reports.

00:10:25.000 It sounds insane.

00:10:26.000 It is insane.

00:10:27.000 We're in 2005.

00:10:28.000 Stuff's crazy.

00:10:30.000 The Washington Post reports like it's no big deal.

00:10:34.000 Chimeras.

00:10:36.000 Over 50 species of part human, part pig, part human, part spider, part human, part chimpanzee.

00:10:44.000 That's just the stuff they're admitting that's going on.

00:10:46.000 You notice they're not showing you images of the creatures on the news.

00:10:51.000 And there's kind of a reality gap, though.

00:10:53.000 I mean, I have people email me and walk up to me on the street occasionally and, Alex, you're a liar, there's no black box in my car. 0.98

00:11:02.000 Or, Alex, you're a liar, there's no New World Order. 0.98

00:11:05.000 Or, really delusional stuff, like, Alex, you're a liar, there's no cross-species genetic engineering creations. 0.97

00:11:17.000 I mean, I've told this story probably ten times to the guy who walked up to me a couple years ago.

00:11:22.000 When I was at Coney Inn's Pizza, Chicago's called Pizza, they got here in Austin.

00:11:26.000 Picking up a pizza, and a guy walks over, kind of pokes me in the back, and I turn around, and he goes, I used to listen to you for years, I believe you, but not after I saw your TV show the other night. 0.98

00:11:37.000 You were saying there's creatures that are part goat, part spider, and you're a liar! 0.91

00:11:43.000 I said, what are you talking about? 0.94

00:11:44.000 Just type spider goat in the search engine.

00:11:47.000 I don't need to!

00:11:48.000 I don't need to!

00:11:50.000 I had biology at UT!

00:11:54.000 I have a degree!

00:11:54.000 And I said, well, are you a practicing biologist?

00:11:58.000 No, I do something else.

00:11:59.000 Well, when we were in school, you know, 1970 something.

00:12:03.000 And I said, buddy, it isn't 1973.

00:12:05.000 That was the year.

00:12:08.000 And why do I use that as an example?

00:12:10.000 Because I come on the air and I talk about this stuff and people are living in the past, folks.

00:12:16.000 And they won't even check out what I have to say.

00:12:19.000 And then when they finally do see it on the news, telling them how great it is, I see some of these people on the street again and they go, okay, it's true, but it's good! 0.94

00:12:28.000 You're still a kook!

00:12:31.000 Okay, alright, it's all good then. 0.92

00:12:33.000 Just enjoy it.

00:12:35.000 Enjoy record trade deficits, enjoy them telling you how great the economy is as it gets worse and worse according to all the real economic indexes and indicators that we have.

00:12:50.000 Okay, fine, the economy's great!

00:12:53.000 And I, last night in the parking lot of the TV station, One of my oldest conservative friends here in town, a guy who's been arrested at pro-life demonstrations and spent months in jail for it, a really good guy, I just said, you know, I hear you guys on talk radio, and he works on talk radio, I go, I hear you guys on talk radio saying how Bush is really cutting the budget and how conservative it is.

00:13:18.000 And I go, it's not true, it's $2.6 trillion!

00:13:22.000 Bill Clinton's biggest budget was $1.7 trillion.

00:13:25.000 And he goes, well, you've got to start somewhere.

00:13:27.000 And I go, what does that mean?

00:13:30.000 What does that mean?

00:13:32.000 And I said, by the way, I'm going in here tonight on the TV show and I'm going to air 15 minutes of Christians having their arms broken by police on news footage.

00:13:42.000 From the late 80s, early 90s.

00:13:44.000 Something that most people never seen.

00:13:45.000 I mean, it looks like Abu Ghraib.

00:13:47.000 The photos we saw on steroids.

00:13:50.000 I mean, taking a woman's arm with nunchucks and going, you will pay! 1.00

00:13:54.000 Raaah! 0.96

00:13:54.000 Breaking her arm. 0.96

00:13:56.000 And breaking a pastor's arms and priest's arms.

00:13:59.000 I mean, I got a whole bunch of it.

00:14:01.000 And I said, I'm gonna go in there because I'm a liberal.

00:14:03.000 And I'm going to stand up against this and being sarcastic to the individual.

00:14:07.000 And I said, I want you to know that all these programs of George Bush Sr.

00:14:11.000 and Bill Clinton and the racketeering charges against Christians and all of it, I want you to know it's getting worse!

00:14:17.000 And you know about Christians getting arrested and charged with 47 years in prison for preaching on the street peaceably.

00:14:23.000 And you know about people getting two years in prison for preaching.

00:14:26.000 And you know about all this, don't you?

00:14:28.000 I should have gotten in his face! 0.99

00:14:30.000 And he goes, yeah, yeah, okay, I guess it is bad!

00:14:32.000 And just got in his car and drove off.

00:14:34.000 Good!

00:14:35.000 I forced you! 0.99

00:14:36.000 I made you face it! 0.99

00:14:39.000 Ugh.

00:14:40.000 I'm gonna break your conditioning if it takes me the rest of my life.

00:14:43.000 All of you! 0.97

00:14:44.000 What's wrong with you?

00:14:45.000 The problem is we don't have the rest of our lives to fix this.

00:14:48.000 The country is falling apart!

00:14:52.000 Alright, excuse me.

00:14:54.000 I just started thinking about that footage that I aired many years ago and I aired it again.

00:14:58.000 Last night.

00:15:00.000 And, uh, it's going all over the country, folks, and it's the anti-war protesters it's happening to, it's conservatives it's happening to.

00:15:08.000 Yesterday, a small group of peaceful protesters stood in front, I mean, 80 yards in front, of the Supreme Court building, talking about Abu Ghraib.

00:15:18.000 And, uh, they just said, unauthorized protest, and the cops came over and beat them up.

00:15:24.000 They'll do it in front of news cameras now, folks. 0.86

00:15:27.000 But see, it was only acceptable to do it to Christians and conservatives in the late 80s and through the 90s with Butch Reno.

00:15:40.000 It was only acceptable.

00:15:41.000 And the ACLU didn't care.

00:15:43.000 The left didn't care.

00:15:45.000 Oh, they're getting what they deserve. 0.66

00:15:46.000 They're bad.

00:15:46.000 They're dangerous.

00:15:48.000 They shouldn't be protesting out front of abortion clinics. 0.89

00:15:53.000 And now it's happening to everybody.

00:15:56.000 But see, it's just like the inauguration back on the 20th of last month.

00:16:00.000 The coronation 20 days ago of Lord Bush.

00:16:05.000 They banned crosses.

00:16:07.000 And so that made the left happy.

00:16:09.000 And they banned anti-war signs.

00:16:10.000 And so that made the right happy.

00:16:12.000 Of course, Christians and the leftists ignored it, and I want to commend them, and still showed up with their banners and their crosses.

00:16:19.000 That's good, because those are criminal orders.

00:16:22.000 Those aren't laws.

00:16:23.000 Those violate the First Amendment.

00:16:26.000 But that's what they do.

00:16:27.000 They violate one side's rights, and then the other group goes, it's okay.

00:16:30.000 Then they violate the other group, and it's okay.

00:16:32.000 And really, the New World Order then gets to abuse everybody in the final equation.

00:16:37.000 And so it's a legitimizing of all this.

00:16:42.000 And it's very, very dangerous.

00:16:43.000 And that's why I wanted to, you know, kind of preface what I'm about to cover with that little rant I just did.

00:16:51.000 This is out of Reuters.

00:16:53.000 Scholar defiant amid furor over 9-1-1 remarks. 0.95

00:17:00.000 And I first just want to say that Ward Churchill is a bully.

00:17:04.000 Some of what he says makes a lot of sense. 0.95

00:17:06.000 But, you know, rat poison is 98% nutritious food for the rodents.

00:17:13.000 Well, with Mr. Churchill, it's about 50-50.

00:17:16.000 50% poison, 50% good food.

00:17:20.000 Nourishment to the mind.

00:17:22.000 Just the same thing with Michael Weiner, Savage, and all these other people.

00:17:28.000 Now, there's a lot of stuff they say that's true. 0.77

00:17:29.000 There's a lot of stuff Bill Clinton says that's true.

00:17:31.000 But a lot of it's lies.

00:17:32.000 A lot of it's manipulative.

00:17:34.000 And the solutions they give you are false.

00:17:36.000 So, this guy comes out, and I've got his quotes right here, and he says, the people in the towers were basically little Adolf Eichmanns, and deserved to die, and Al-Qaeda was striking back against the evil abuses of the American Empire, and these people were the central core of the technocracy, the technocrats, to use his term, in there, and that they deserved it.

00:18:00.000 Now, I don't think, sir, And I mean, I just really, when people talk like this, and they're a big fat bully like him, I've seen him in action here in Austin.

00:18:10.000 I'll tell you more about it when we get back from break, but the point is, the poor single mothers that are trying to pay off their debts from Secretary school, who were in there by the thousands, who loved their children, who just wanted to provide for their family. 0.71

00:18:28.000 The old janitor, who'd been a Vietnam vet, who was up there sleeping the floors.

00:18:34.000 The hundreds of janitors, the firefighters that ran in there to save people, the police officers that went in there to save people. 0.95

00:18:40.000 Okay, don't you compare them to Nazis, you punk! 1.00

00:18:44.000 You big, fat bully! 1.00

00:18:48.000 How dare you glorify Al-Syedah! 1.00

00:18:51.000 And how dare you play into the hands of the New World Order! 0.77

00:18:56.000 And I think that's exactly what you're doing, and I think you know what you're doing, and I think Ward Churchill's a federal agent.

00:19:02.000 In fact, I bet my right arm he is.

00:19:05.000 My gut!

00:19:06.000 My nose!

00:19:08.000 Knows he is.

00:19:09.000 Pun intended.

00:19:10.000 I know.

00:19:12.000 I can tell.

00:19:12.000 I got a thousand different indicator points on this guy over the years, and I can tell stuff like this, and I'll give you some of the examples why.

00:19:20.000 This is so sick! 0.97

00:19:23.000 This is so evil! 0.98

00:19:25.000 Just like when talk show hosts say, oh, they're subhuman, torture them, or they're just blowing off steam in Abu Ghraib, they're not human, or they're Nazis, they don't have rights.

00:19:34.000 It's the same thing we're getting out of the left.

00:19:37.000 It's the same thing on the left that cheered.

00:19:39.000 We got the video of them cheering as they break women's arms who are standing out front abortion clinics.

00:19:48.000 And let me tell you something.

00:19:50.000 They're going to... I'll tell you what's going to happen.

00:19:53.000 I can see their plan.

00:19:54.000 When we get back, stay with us.

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00:24:23.000 Okay, you have a rule that we're all human beings, we all deserve dignity, we don't dehumanize any group, We don't torture them, we don't kill them, we don't ever legitimize the mass murder of innocents.

00:24:37.000 Whether they're Iraqi children or people in the World Trade Center towers.

00:24:46.000 And this is how the globalists play it.

00:24:47.000 They understand human nature, you know, primitive tribalist nature. 0.99

00:24:51.000 You know, kill the other tribe, they're not human, they're animals. 1.00

00:24:55.000 And so we've got the left with the Ward-Churchills and the rest of them. 0.99

00:24:58.000 It's a very prominent view that, oh man, praise Al-Qaeda.

00:25:04.000 They're just great fighters who stood up against the evil American empire and, you know, they did a wonderful job.

00:25:12.000 But wait a minute, Ward-Churchill, you're a Native American activist.

00:25:18.000 You get up on TV and radio and in print And you talk about the horrible massacres at Wounded Knee and places of innocence.

00:25:26.000 And you know, what of the cavalrymen that were killing those Native American men, women, and children?

00:25:31.000 Oh, they're animals! 0.74

00:25:32.000 They do horrible things!

00:25:33.000 They don't deserve the rules of war! 1.00

00:25:36.000 Just kill them all right there! 1.00

00:25:39.000 They're evil! 1.00

00:25:40.000 They're heathen! 0.99

00:25:41.000 Same thing, like you said. 0.97

00:25:43.000 Oh, the people in the towers were Nazis!

00:25:46.000 So what if they died?

00:25:48.000 You know, Al-Qaeda did a great thing! 1.00

00:25:51.000 You see how that works?

00:25:53.000 Or when Tony Blakely says, seize, you know, the editor of the Washington Times and The Coral Page, seize Seymour Hersh!

00:26:01.000 Charge him! 0.98

00:26:02.000 Execute him! 1.00

00:26:03.000 He's un-American! 1.00

00:26:04.000 He doesn't, you know, deserve rights! 1.00

00:26:07.000 Kill him! 1.00

00:26:08.000 It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:26:16.000 And so, we see this all over the place.

00:26:19.000 And so, to the left out there that's listening, That just because I expose George Bush thinks that I'm your darling or something.

00:26:26.000 No, I'm not.

00:26:27.000 Not until you come to your senses in reality.

00:26:29.000 Understand something.

00:26:32.000 And get it through your head.

00:26:34.000 You guys didn't do a thing under Clinton when they were breaking Christians' arms and torturing people in plain view. 0.87

00:26:42.000 It was good.

00:26:43.000 It was okay.

00:26:44.000 Because they're not human. 0.97

00:26:45.000 Because they're bad. 0.78

00:26:48.000 And when Bill Clinton was mass murdering in Serbia And pulling off that scam. 0.99

00:26:53.000 Oh, well, they're evil. 1.00

00:26:54.000 They're like Nazis. 1.00

00:26:55.000 Kill them, kill them, kill them. 1.00

00:26:57.000 Again, you need to stop switching off your thinking process and you need to get a moral base. 1.00

00:27:03.000 And then you can gauge the world and things will make sense.

00:27:09.000 Things aren't going to make sense if we're totally immoral, folks. 0.99

00:27:13.000 And I know the so-called left, because I say it doesn't even exist, it's just a false political spectrum, You know, fed garbage. 1.00

00:27:20.000 Garbage in, garbage out. 1.00

00:27:21.000 The mind's a computer. 0.99

00:27:23.000 You guys are going to love Patriot Act 1 and 2.

00:27:26.000 You're going to love all of this big fat police state that's been created.

00:27:29.000 When the globalists put a Democrat in.

00:27:31.000 They're going to build up this revolutionary fervor against Bush.

00:27:35.000 Just like they did against Clinton.

00:27:36.000 Then they gave you a Bush.

00:27:38.000 And then they're going to give you a savior.

00:27:40.000 A Democrat.

00:27:40.000 And it won't matter what this Democrat does.

00:27:43.000 Suddenly you're not going to have a problem with any of the tyranny they bring us.

00:27:46.000 I can see the setup now.

00:27:49.000 And the Ward Churchills of the world, and the people that put images of hanging troops on their houses, and the people that say and do all of this, you're going to be in control, and you're going to love the tyranny you've got.

00:28:04.000 We got a call a few weeks ago, and I was talking about Tony Blakely, talking about getting people and executing them for their political views and what they report on, and a caller called in and said, You know, I've kind of got the Communist view myself.

00:28:20.000 What they're doing is wrong.

00:28:21.000 I'd like to get them and put them on the griddle.

00:28:24.000 I'd like to get them and give them their own medicine. 1.00

00:28:27.000 You do not fight fire with fire.

00:28:30.000 You do not become that which you hate or that which you fight.

00:28:35.000 I love this double speak of, Saddam was evil, he tortured, but we're good. 0.98

00:28:38.000 We torture them.

00:28:39.000 Yes, torture is good. 0.51

00:28:43.000 Again, the globalists know what they're doing. 0.99

00:28:46.000 And somebody like Ward Churchill, the worst part about him coming out and saying, the people deserve to die, they're a bunch of Nazis, everybody in the towers are a bunch of Nazis. 1.00

00:28:54.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00

00:28:55.000 The worst thing he does is act like Al-Qaeda's heroes or something. 0.75

00:28:59.000 Al-C-I-A-D-A is not some group from caves having NORAD stand down and warning public officials not to fly and doing CIA put options, and you know that, Churchill. 0.99

00:29:08.000 You're not stupid. 0.97

00:29:11.000 This punk professor out putting all this out, this bully, and he is a bully, I've seen them in action here locally. 1.00

00:29:18.000 No, they know exactly what they're doing, see? 0.82

00:29:21.000 And then that will enrage all the conservatives to find themselves even tighter to Bush and these false policies, meanwhile conditioning the throngs of the left that murdering masses of innocent Americans is somehow heroic for the horrible globalist purges that are coming when they create another fake counter-revolution in the future.

00:29:43.000 It's amazing.

00:29:45.000 We'll come back, talk about it more, and take your calls.

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00:33:11.000 The last 20 minutes I've been ranting and raving about Ward Churchill coming out and saying, well, you know, the people that died in the towers, they were basically Nazis and Al-Qaeda's a bunch of heroes. 0.97

00:33:22.000 .

00:33:25.000 Let me try to just condense down why this is so horrible on multiple levels.

00:33:30.000 And then we'll go to Abel and Robert and Mike and Tangi and John and others that are patiently holding.

00:33:37.000 Then later we do have an expert guest coming on about 9-11 and this I have no doubt Pentagon hit piece put out by Popular Mechanics, and please don't go by the magazine.

00:33:46.000 It's not even on store shelves yet.

00:33:48.000 We got an advanced copy through our spies, our sources, but uh... our moles, even within the institutions themselves, but uh... continuing though, I do want to encourage all of you.

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00:39:01.000 Alright, ladies and gentlemen.

00:39:02.000 Now let me just try to calm down a bit, because I get very upset about this Ward Churchill thing.

00:39:08.000 Let me take a delicious drink of coffee, and try to just briefly explain why I'm so angry about this.

00:39:16.000 Not just for the reasons you're angry about it, but from a deeper research of Ward Churchill.

00:39:23.000 And I'm not saying I know it all, I just uniquely, this is what I do, I study this stuff all the time, and I actually, there was something about this guy about two years ago, I began researching him, quietly, I get feelings about people.

00:39:35.000 I got a feeling about Schwarzenegger many years ago.

00:39:37.000 I had a bad feeling about Ward Churchill.

00:39:41.000 And then I had a chance to see him here in Austin and then read one of his books.

00:39:44.000 I don't want to spend all day on him.

00:39:46.000 He's just one more what floating around in the latrine.

00:39:51.000 I'm sorry to use that analogy, but he deserves that. 0.99

00:39:53.000 I want to slap him upside the head, but I wouldn't do that because I'm a non-violent person. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Because he's an arrogant punk. 0.99

00:40:02.000 You know, sometimes I might seem like a bully, but that's just because I get angry and upset about what's happening, but... Ward Churchill came to town and gave a speech, then he went on a show, Veterans for Peace, with Don Darling, here locally. 0.94

00:40:12.000 Really nice guy.

00:40:15.000 Naval captain, sub-rescue commander.

00:40:19.000 I mean, did a lot of classified stuff he can't get into.

00:40:22.000 Just a real hero, a really good guy.

00:40:24.000 And he speaks out against the New World Order, and it's really woken up to a lot of stuff.

00:40:28.000 And I turn on the TV, and there's Ward Churchill on TV, with Don Darling.

00:40:35.000 He's being really mean to him.

00:40:37.000 Talking down to him.

00:40:38.000 He's like 6'6", 6'7", maybe taller.

00:40:41.000 I mean, he's like an NBA basketball player.

00:40:43.000 And he's in his face, on his own show, going, no, you're full of it.

00:40:47.000 It's a war.

00:40:48.000 America's got to go down.

00:40:49.000 America's evil.

00:40:50.000 Blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:40:52.000 And I've already researched him, so I'm like, this guy is just, he's evil.

00:40:59.000 He has that aura.

00:41:01.000 He's a megalomaniac.

00:41:03.000 And, you know, his spirit isn't right.

00:41:06.000 You know, whereas he may look fair, but he felt foul, to use a Lord of the Rings analogy.

00:41:13.000 And so then I researched him a little bit more, and I read this essay everybody's talking about, where he says, ah, they're all little Adolf Eichmanns in the towers, and, you know, they all deserve to die, because, you know, they're the technocrats that help, and I just thought about all those firefighters, all of those police, but they're not, they signed on for danger, it's bad enough, they died, but the little ladies, you know, who went in as secretaries, and the people there, you know, the guy working on the lights, and the woman who was the janitor,

00:41:43.000 Just, you know, all those people and then all the CEOs were out of the building, literally, at a meeting with Warren Buffett out of Moffett Air Force Base in Nebraska and Bush flies in.

00:41:53.000 I mean, it's so obvious.

00:41:55.000 And, you know, all of this has happened.

00:41:58.000 And he's saying that so what? 0.98

00:42:01.000 Yeah, they deserve to die and Al Qaeda are these big heroes. 1.00

00:42:04.000 Well, this is it in a nutshell. 1.00

00:42:09.000 The guy's got to be an agent.

00:42:11.000 And basically he's setting things up for future race war in America, and he's legitimizing a kind of red terror in America, something the globalists will control, for the fake left counter-revolution that will come in after Bush is out of office. 0.50

00:42:28.000 And it's going to be bad.

00:42:32.000 But the worst thing he does is legitimize in the minds of millions of so-called liberals that Al-Qaeda is independent and that Al-Qaeda is heroic when they are properly called Al-Cieda.

00:42:43.000 And I had the former head of the CIA's analyst group in the 1980s on yesterday saying, Bin Laden's CIA and our government's probably going to carry out terror attacks.

00:42:54.000 There are hundreds of academics and professors saying the government carried it out.

00:42:58.000 Do you see them in AP and Reuters?

00:43:00.000 Oh no, you don't see them in the news!

00:43:02.000 How dare this academic say the government's behind it? 0.94

00:43:04.000 Fire them! 1.00

00:43:05.000 Oh no, they don't give attention, they give attention to Ward Churchill with this horribly evil statement that is on par, perhaps even worse, than, yeah, them Iraqis are subhumans, kill them all, nuke Fallujah, torture them, yeah, they're not humans, they deserve it. 0.99

00:43:26.000 I feel the same rage against Churchill that I feel against Wiener and all the rest of them on the other side of this false debate. 0.98

00:43:34.000 But notice Wiener is an old dirty beatnik from the 60s.

00:43:38.000 I mean, you want to read his writings, folks, atop a little commie organizer, you know, in the sixties, and just like the neocons are all Trotskyites who couldn't take over, they became conservatives.

00:43:52.000 I'm not even saying it's a communist conspiracy.

00:43:54.000 These international crime cartels take control of any movement they can.

00:43:59.000 And so it's just so clear what's going on here.

00:44:03.000 And so the left's being conditioned that mass murder of innocents in America is good, And then the rights being conditioned at the mass murder and the imperial attacks against other countries is good, and across the board we're all having our moral compasses crushed, smashed, and we're being lowered to the level of, uh...

00:44:23.000 of Nazis. 0.56

00:44:25.000 Oh, you think the Nazis felt like they were killing animals?

00:44:27.000 The Nazis thought they were fighting for their right.

00:44:30.000 You know, they thought they were... It's the same thing.

00:44:32.000 Well, Ward Churchill, all these people deserve to die. 1.00

00:44:35.000 You know, they're Nazis. 1.00

00:44:36.000 They're not human. 0.95

00:44:37.000 See how that works?

00:44:40.000 And... Oh, I've got so many other points.

00:44:43.000 There's so many facets to this.

00:44:47.000 And it's very, very dangerous.

00:44:49.000 It's very, very scary.

00:44:52.000 We're going to go to Abel and Robert and Mike and everybody.

00:44:54.000 We're going to go to you.

00:44:56.000 I want to go to John first because I think I mentioned John.

00:44:58.000 I think he was able to get in.

00:44:59.000 This is the same John from Ohio who I talked about earlier who called in when we were talking about Tony Blakely saying, Arrest Seymour Hersh, execute him, and then John called in and said, well, you know, how about people that talk like that, how about they get put on the griddle?

00:45:16.000 And I'm saying, see, this is the paradigm that's going to make the globalists win.

00:45:21.000 John, is this the same John?

00:45:23.000 Yes, Alex.

00:45:24.000 You know, I think a lot of what you do is great, but then I have, I'm absolutely crestfallen when I hear you use the same kind of strawman car brushing that you resent, and I think that I don't know this character, Ward Churchill, and if what you say is what he actually said, I would have the same kind of sentiments.

00:45:42.000 I've got his quotes right here.

00:45:44.000 Okay, but I'm not questioning that, but I'm saying that the genuine left, I'm an unaffiliated leftist, I consider myself, the real left, the socialists like WSWS.org or Workers.org.

00:45:57.000 Okay, Workers.org.com.

00:46:00.000 They have the same view of the U.S.

00:46:04.000 attack on Yugoslavia.

00:46:05.000 They have the same view that you have of Al-Qaeda.

00:46:12.000 Use this kind of calumny against them.

00:46:14.000 I think that that is divisive.

00:46:15.000 And I believe other people, I have an instinct... Well, let me tell you, I know a lot of socialists and they just love Al-Qaeda and they just think it's a great hero that they don't understand that it's Al-Cieda.

00:46:26.000 Well, WSWS.org believes that it is Al-Qaeda.

00:46:30.000 Al-Qaeda is CIA.

00:46:31.000 They believe that the 9-11 attacks were complicit with the American government.

00:46:36.000 They've written articles along these lines.

00:46:38.000 Well, do you see then how Churchill is being used as an example?

00:46:42.000 Saying those poor secretaries and people deserve to die? 0.98

00:46:45.000 Absolutely, I agree with you entirely. 0.70

00:46:46.000 He's probably an agent, but I also believe, and I have an instinct that these characters like this J. Smith that is constantly on your program, is also an Asian.

00:46:54.000 I think that kind of demented propaganda would be even demented in the 50's Cold War, let alone now.

00:47:01.000 I think that that is the kind of boogeyman propaganda... You know something?

00:47:05.000 Hey, John, the communists were a creation of globalists.

00:47:08.000 Patrick Smith is doing a great job exposing it.

00:47:11.000 You need to realize that your own commie movement is controlled by the bankers.

00:47:15.000 Are you saying that you're going to suddenly join the neocons when they attack Chavez and Venezuela?

00:47:21.000 Hey, what are you talking about?

00:47:24.000 Listen, I listen to Pastor Smith's program.

00:47:27.000 It's not even on this network.

00:47:29.000 I listen to it when I'm out driving around at night because it's on a station.

00:47:31.000 I can hear it.

00:47:32.000 And he exposes the neocons.

00:47:34.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:47:35.000 Thanks for the call. 0.66

00:47:36.000 You need to wake up and grow up.

00:47:37.000 Abel in Nevada.

00:47:39.000 Go ahead, Abel.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, you were talking about the mind control the other day?

00:47:44.000 Yes.

00:47:45.000 There was a book called The Hidden Persuaders written in the late fifties, and who was it?

00:47:51.000 It was Curtis Schaefer, said that, if I can quote from him real fast, it's only going to take about 15 seconds, says, the ultimate achievement of biocontrol may be the control of man himself.

00:48:00.000 The controlled subjects would never be permitted to think as individuals A few months after birth, the surgeon would equip each child with a socket mounted under the scalp and the electrodes reaching selected areas of the brain tissue and the child's sensory perceptions and muscular activity could be either modified or completely ignored or completely controlled by bioelectrical signals.

00:48:19.000 Wow!

00:48:19.000 Radiating.

00:48:20.000 Aldous Huxley talked about that in 62 at Berkeley.

00:48:23.000 Right.

00:48:23.000 He's been in the laboratories and seen it.

00:48:26.000 This book was written in 57 and this is a book about how advertisers just get Just advertising.

00:48:33.000 Well, you don't need the socket interface because the TV interfaces through the optic nerve into the brain.

00:48:39.000 Right.

00:48:39.000 Well, they were probably behind on technology back then, but that, you know... Well, it's an automatic interface.

00:48:46.000 It's what you could call a wireless interface when you watch TV.

00:48:49.000 Right, right.

00:48:50.000 So, I mean, for people who say, oh, this is, you know, a bunker, this is just brand new.

00:48:50.000 Exactly.

00:48:54.000 They've been working on it for years.

00:48:56.000 You know, uh... Huxley, folks, his brother, ran the U.N.

00:48:59.000 program.

00:49:00.000 In 1962 he said, in 1960, that he was in secret labs in England and saw wireheads.

00:49:06.000 Right, right.

00:49:07.000 And Philip K. Dick didn't invent that term.

00:49:09.000 I just want to make that point, and thanks for your show.

00:49:12.000 Alright, I appreciate the call, sir.

00:49:14.000 Excellent point.

00:49:14.000 Send me a copy of that book.

00:49:16.000 Or Xerox copies of the pages.

00:49:18.000 Robert, in Colorado.

00:49:19.000 Welcome, sir.

00:49:20.000 Welcome to the home of the Pig Goblin, Ward Churchill.

00:49:25.000 You know, I never even heard of him until two weeks ago.

00:49:29.000 He's new to me, so I guess you're more into him than I am.

00:49:31.000 Well, he's a piece of work.

00:49:33.000 What's on your mind?

00:49:34.000 Oh, several things.

00:49:35.000 Number one, two great shows the past two days, Tuesday and Wednesday, as your guests were excellent.

00:49:40.000 The transhumanist from Tuesday, he scared me. 1.00

00:49:43.000 I think he basically wants to put a chip in everybody.

00:49:45.000 Oh, he said everyone will have to have a chip.

00:49:47.000 You didn't hear that?

00:49:48.000 He said, oh yes, yes, you'll have to go along with the rest of us.

00:49:51.000 You can't hold us up.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, and I don't think he realized what he was saying, so he was scary, but at any rate.

00:49:57.000 And the guy yesterday was very good also.

00:50:00.000 Oh, I got that little remark you made yesterday about Janet Reno.

00:50:04.000 I think you called her butch.

00:50:05.000 Is that correct?

00:50:06.000 Yes.

00:50:08.000 That made a wind of where everybody else was at, but I caught it.

00:50:12.000 Have you had a chance to read Vaccine A by Gary Montemoto yet?

00:50:17.000 No, I haven't.

00:50:17.000 Oh, man, please do.

00:50:18.000 It's a great book.

00:50:19.000 It talks about Amtrak's backstations and how deadly they are and the history of them.

00:50:22.000 Well, that's now admitted.

00:50:23.000 I mean, it's not even debatable.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:26.000 He did his research on the great book.

00:50:27.000 I'm about halfway through it.

00:50:28.000 If you get a chance, pick it up.

00:50:30.000 I'd love to hear him on your show.

00:50:31.000 It's a great book.

00:50:35.000 And I guess that's all I have.

00:50:37.000 Keep up the good work and join us for the show.

00:50:40.000 All right.

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00:50:44.000 Biocondios, my friend.

00:50:45.000 We'll be back with Mike and Tanji and everybody else on the other side and a ton of other news.

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00:54:16.000 The New World Order.

00:54:18.000 We're about to go to Mike and Tangi and many others.

00:54:21.000 Let me just say one more thing about Ward Churchill. 0.95

00:54:24.000 You know, coming out and, oh, Al-Qaeda's heroic and people deserve to die on the towers. 0.90

00:54:28.000 They were little Adolf Eichmanns. 0.65

00:54:32.000 That's a Pentagon plan.

00:54:33.000 Even though he doesn't know he's following it, P-2-O-G is meant to make Al-Qaeda heroes overseas, radicalize the Muslims, get them to fight back, so the globalists have a pretext to go in and invade. 0.67

00:54:49.000 Good morning, Alex.

00:54:49.000 Al-CIA didn't do the Arabs any favor carrying on 9/11.

00:54:53.000 That was the pretext for this invasion.

00:54:54.000 But see how the phony left helped set this up and promote it.

00:54:57.000 Meanwhile, demonizing anybody who's against the war, oh, you must be with that Ward Churchill who says Al-Qaeda was defending. 0.83

00:55:06.000 It's just so sick.

00:55:08.000 All right, let's talk to Mike in California.

00:55:13.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:55:14.000 - Hi, good morning, Alex.

00:55:17.000 - Welcome. - I've been on the show many times.

00:55:19.000 I just have three things.

00:55:20.000 One, on your show, 9-1-1 and the Road to Tyranny, I have a copy of that, and I'm making copies for non-profit purposes, but to many other people where I live, because it's a conservative city where I live, San Diego.

00:55:31.000 But they tell me that, oh, they come back to me and give me this footage.

00:55:35.000 Oh, so by 2020, we'll have the microchips inside of us.

00:55:38.000 But you're exposing it today.

00:55:41.000 Now we see microchips in the first family, as we saw in your 9-1-1 and the Road to Tyranny.

00:55:46.000 What are your thoughts on that, like a brief little opinion on that, like when do you think we will actually be as Americans stabled into the microchip society?

00:55:54.000 After the globalists carry out nuke attacks and have national drafts and get us even under more control, it's a long way away.

00:56:01.000 I mean, it's already starting with old people and some prisoners and they're making some of the military take it, but it's just going to get progressively worse over the next 10-15 years. 0.92

00:56:10.000 And two more things.

00:56:12.000 One quick thing is that, oh, how can I dodge the draft if the draft was to come back?

00:56:15.000 Because I'm 17 now and I just turned 17 in September.

00:56:18.000 Let me try to answer that question.

00:56:20.000 Thanks for the call.

00:56:23.000 They're making deals with Mexico, deals with Canada, already made it with Canada, Pan American Union, where they will extradite you back to serve.

00:56:32.000 Again, folks, this isn't even a declared war.

00:56:36.000 So it's not even dodging the draft.

00:56:37.000 This is a criminal war.

00:56:39.000 and you've got a bunch of draft dodgers in there that are not going to make you go serve in their army and then give you experimental vaccines and make you breathe and bleed uranium, just on those reasons right there, that's cruel and unusual torture.

00:56:50.000 You should refuse.

00:56:52.000 And if enough people refuse, they can't put everybody in jail.

00:56:55.000 They can just try to persecute a few people, you know, like Muhammad Ali or something, you know, prominent people to scare everybody else into going along with it.

00:57:03.000 Tangi in Georgia, you're on the air.

00:57:06.000 Go ahead.

00:57:06.000 Thanks.

00:57:08.000 Hello.

00:57:09.000 Hello.

00:57:09.000 Hi.

00:57:10.000 Hi.

00:57:10.000 Hi, Alex.

00:57:11.000 Can you hear me?

00:57:11.000 Yes, I can.

00:57:12.000 Yes, I wanted to say, um, I'm a, I've been studying Ward Churchill for a while, and I wanted to correct you on something.

00:57:20.000 When he was referring to the Little Eichmanns, he explicitly said he was not referring to the policemen, the firemen.

00:57:29.000 Um, Dennison's bystanders.

00:57:31.000 He was referring to... Look, I've got his quotes here from Reuters in his press coverage.

00:57:35.000 He said he doesn't apologize that the people who died in there were the technocrats.

00:57:39.000 He does not apologize.

00:57:39.000 Paul, bring up the point.

00:57:40.000 He says explicitly...

00:57:42.000 He is not referring to the firemen.

00:57:45.000 Well, he may be backing off what he said now, but I have the original quotes.

00:57:48.000 And let me add something else here.

00:57:50.000 He's saying Al-Qaeda was fighting against the evil America.

00:57:54.000 Al-Qaeda is CIA. 1.00

00:57:56.000 It empowered this war, and any idiot knows that. 1.00

00:57:59.000 Do you understand how destructive that is, saying Al-Qaeda's good? 1.00

00:58:03.000 No, he never... and that's another... Oh, it's another... That's another falsehood about... Oh, really?

00:58:09.000 He said they were responding?

00:58:11.000 And I've read his work.

00:58:12.000 He does not promote violence.

00:58:14.000 What he's making a point is that they are pushing back as far as, you know, the atrocities that we're committing throughout the world.

00:58:23.000 People, not just Al-Qaeda, but... No, that's what I said!

00:58:27.000 The 9-11 attacks!

00:58:28.000 People, they're pushing back, essentially, for what we've done to them.

00:58:28.000 Exactly.

00:58:33.000 Oh, so you think Al-Qaeda's real and it really carried out the attacks?

00:58:36.000 No, I think Al-Qaeda is a CIA creation.

00:58:41.000 And I believe Ward Churchill believes that too.

00:58:43.000 But at some point... Whatever.

00:58:45.000 Stay there.

00:58:46.000 Stay there.

00:58:47.000 You can keep being an apologist if you want.

00:58:52.000 Big Brother.

00:58:58.000 Mainstream media.

00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Alright, we ended the last hour with this Tangi from Georgia disagreeing with me about Ward Churchill, this professor's comments, and then Tangi hung up.

00:59:24.000 I said, hold, please stay there, we're going to come back and talk to you.

00:59:27.000 He hung up.

00:59:29.000 And he was saying, well, Ward Churchill, you know, just says they're pushing back.

00:59:32.000 He didn't really say Al-Qaeda.

00:59:34.000 I've got his essay right here.

00:59:36.000 Some people push back.

00:59:38.000 And he says, quote, the hijackers mounted counter-attacks in the face of hostile U.S.

00:59:43.000 policy in the Middle East in a campaign against Iraq through the trade sanctions imposed after the First Gulf War.

00:59:50.000 And he went on to compare the World Trade Center victims in saying that they were not innocent Calling them Little Eichmanns, that's a quote that's referred to the German World War II criminal, war criminal Adolf Eichmann.

01:00:04.000 True enough, this is a quote, they were civilians of a sort, he wrote, but innocent?

01:00:08.000 Give me a break! 1.00

01:00:09.000 They formed the technocratic core of the very heart of American global financial empire.

01:00:14.000 And I've actually got a copy of the essay right here.

01:00:17.000 So don't, don't, don't, don't try to call in and say he didn't say that, now that he's saying, I don't back off what I said, but then he kind of starts backing off a little.

01:00:27.000 Okay.

01:00:28.000 Now again, do you understand?

01:00:30.000 Al-Qaeda is CIA.

01:00:32.000 They didn't carry out the attacks.

01:00:34.000 Al-CIA-da These Al-Qaeda members who thought they were part of drills, who got on board the aircraft, gas was released, they killed everybody on board and remote controlled them into the buildings.

01:00:46.000 Now that's what I have from all my sources and all the evidence.

01:00:49.000 And so when you get up there and go, oh Al-Qaeda's a hero, or Al-Qaeda's fighting back, and that's what Churchill's in essence said, oh they're pushing back, they're fighting back against the evil.

01:00:58.000 You play into the whole Pentagon P-2-O-G plan, Of building up Al-Qaeda as heroes in the Middle East, getting Muslims to follow them, to then create crises so the globalists can go in. 0.91

01:01:09.000 I mean, how is it good for the Arabs to blow up some buildings that have the wrath of the New World Order come down on them? 1.00

01:01:15.000 That's stupid! 1.00

01:01:18.000 We have the analysts, the experts, the CIA people on to tell you, yes, the government's behind it. 1.00

01:01:25.000 That's the evidence, that's the facts, and you just can't get it. 0.96

01:01:29.000 The left wants to see Al-Qaeda as heroes, and that's how sick you are. 0.99

01:01:32.000 It's like the phony right wants to say that Iraqis are subhuman, let's torture them. 0.99

01:01:38.000 And across the board, we're turning into a bunch of thugs here. 0.99

01:01:44.000 Unbelievable.

01:01:45.000 And I'm told, I know we've got loaded phones, but I always go to those that disagree.

01:01:48.000 Rick in Nevada, you go to the front of the line, there's another Rick in Nevada, he doesn't disagree, but this one does.

01:01:54.000 Rick in Nevada, go ahead.

01:01:57.000 Hello, Alex.

01:01:58.000 Good.

01:01:58.000 How are you?

01:01:59.000 I believe that the book, Agents of Repression, by Ward Churchill, ought to be a mandatory reading in the schools.

01:02:10.000 That book tells folks how to recognize agents, government agents, plants.

01:02:18.000 It's an excellent book.

01:02:19.000 Oh yeah, that's just classic.

01:02:20.000 Well, if he's not a government agent, which I said I don't know if he is, but in my gut I think he is, If he is, I mean, he's certainly helping the globalists, going around saying Al Qaeda acts alone and are attacking the evil Americans.

01:02:33.000 I mean, that's sick!

01:02:34.000 And it's not true!

01:02:34.000 I agree that it's wrong to say that the folks in the World Trade Center deserve to die, especially the firemen and firefighters.

01:02:46.000 But no one in there deserves to die.

01:02:48.000 I disagree with that, but... Well, what he said is, is that, give me a break.

01:02:48.000 No.

01:02:52.000 They're not innocents.

01:02:53.000 They're not civilians.

01:02:55.000 You know, Al-Qaeda striking back against the evil. 0.97

01:02:57.000 And that's ridiculous.

01:02:58.000 Al-Qaeda didn't have NORAD stand down. 0.73

01:03:01.000 Al-Qaeda didn't warn public officials not to fly.

01:03:03.000 Al-Qaeda didn't have those drills that morning.

01:03:05.000 I mean, it's just not true!

01:03:08.000 Well, let me state that I have your full collection.

01:03:13.000 I give away the videos and CDs.

01:03:17.000 But on this agents of repression text, I mean, unless the guy has really lost some screws, Well, you're not listening to me.

01:03:25.000 Listen, earlier I said that rat poison is 98% good food.

01:03:31.000 I'm not saying, I said earlier, the guy says a lot of stuff that's true and good.

01:03:34.000 So does Michael Savage.

01:03:37.000 Don't you see what I'm saying?

01:03:39.000 I get you.

01:03:41.000 You want to talk some more?

01:03:41.000 I just wanted to put out there that folks ought to study the man's work as part of their judgment of him.

01:03:51.000 Okay, thanks.

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01:07:12.000 The giant police state that's been set up in America and now projecting out across the globe hinges upon it.

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01:08:35.000 You'll find a lot of people that woke folks up and got other great researchers going, you know, don't even agree with their progeny.

01:08:43.000 And in a lot of cases, the people, the forerunners and pioneers of exposing 9-11 spurred to wake up and become involved.

01:08:51.000 A lot of their, I guess, progeny, as I was saying, they don't agree with their predecessors.

01:09:02.000 But that doesn't matter.

01:09:03.000 It's about an open, free debate, looking at the evidence, debating it, going over it.

01:09:09.000 And it's clear.

01:09:11.000 If you research 9-11, what we can prove is their official story is absolutely false.

01:09:19.000 It is a fraud.

01:09:20.000 It is impossible.

01:09:23.000 There is a better chance of fire ants in my backyard building a spaceship and flying to Europa.

01:09:32.000 Being sarcastic.

01:09:33.000 Then there is what we're told on 9-11 happening.

01:09:38.000 And people from a cave doing what they supposedly did.

01:09:40.000 Having NORAD stand down.

01:09:42.000 Having drills the morning of 9-11.

01:09:45.000 Having modern steel buildings collapse.

01:09:47.000 Public officials being warned not to fly.

01:09:49.000 CIA insider put options.

01:09:53.000 The money men for Al-Qaeda meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence Heads on the morning of the 9-11 at the Capitol, Bush Sr.

01:10:01.000 meeting with the head of the Bin Laden family, the Karloff Group function, flying the Bin Ladens out of the country, flying Al-Qaeda and the Arab leaders out of Afghanistan days before it fell, our government.

01:10:13.000 It's clear, we know what happened.

01:10:13.000 All of this!

01:10:16.000 It's clear that the hijackers were government ops, thinking they were part of a drill, who got on board those airplanes that morning, and subsequently, then, pressure was lost on the planes, the people were incapacitated or killed, remote control took control, the planes were flown into the buildings.

01:10:31.000 Now that's what all the evidence points to, that's the, in the scientific method, you know, we know the government's behind it, you know, we know, quote, they committed the murder, you know, the cops know you did the murder.

01:10:43.000 Okay, you just won't give him the final, specific details.

01:10:48.000 All right?

01:10:50.000 And with us for this hour, and hopefully into the next hour, because I even canceled the guest we had set up a week ago, the third hour, so you can hopefully stay with us, is a gentleman who I'm really impressed with the research he's done.

01:11:02.000 Really, it's preeminent on Building 7.

01:11:05.000 He's uncovered a lot of documents about the stand-down, about Rumsfeld taking control of the shoot-down orders a few months before 9-11.

01:11:14.000 Cheney in the bunker.

01:11:16.000 He really hones in on the stuff we can prove.

01:11:19.000 What I've been on since day one, what I think is the smoking guns.

01:11:23.000 Now, I'm undecided on the Pentagon.

01:11:25.000 I'm undecided on pods.

01:11:27.000 I'm undecided on all that.

01:11:28.000 I just don't go there And we've had guests on about it, but I don't focus on it.

01:11:33.000 It's not my main focus.

01:11:34.000 We post it all, but my main focus is on bombs in the buildings, is on the implosions, is on the put options, is on the public officials being warned not to fly, is on the prior knowledge in and around New York, which even MSNBC and New York Daily News admits people were warned not to go to work.

01:11:50.000 Haratz admits that Odigo called its employees and said, get out of the building.

01:11:55.000 That's Haratz out of Israel. 0.87

01:11:57.000 That's the stuff that will bring the globalists down.

01:11:59.000 Northwoods can bring them down.

01:12:01.000 PNAC can bring them down.

01:12:03.000 I focus on that and about 50 other things, and that's what I've noticed Jim focuses in on.

01:12:10.000 I appreciate him holding during this diatribe, but just because Jim disagrees with some people that we have on the show, that's not bad, and they disagree with him.

01:12:20.000 It's about having a debate, like you have in a university.

01:12:24.000 It's about a discussion of the ideas.

01:12:25.000 It isn't about one group saying, you either go with my line, or you're anathema, or you're a heretic, or go with their line and you're evil, or go with my line, or you're bad.

01:12:36.000 We need to get past the orthodoxy.

01:12:39.000 And I know we've got a load of phone lines, your calls are coming up, and any issue you bring up will tie back into 9-11.

01:12:45.000 Because our whole world, the course we're on, is being charted with it as the excuse.

01:12:51.000 But Jim, of course, has written for Science News, Scientific American, Science Digest, Nature, Journal of Nature, a software engineer and research scientist.

01:13:08.000 And he didn't wake up to 9-11 until 2003!

01:13:13.000 But he's certainly made up for it in his research and the great findings that he's brought to the giant, accumulated body of evidence.

01:13:21.000 And we have something that globalists don't have.

01:13:23.000 They've got their 170 IQ eggheads in their think tanks, all compartmentalized, studying how to lie to us, how to cover up, how to manipulate.

01:13:31.000 They've got their propagandas.

01:13:33.000 But they're compartmentalized.

01:13:34.000 They've got to kind of keep wraps on things.

01:13:36.000 And they have trouble responding to us.

01:13:37.000 They can't cover up all their lies.

01:13:39.000 Anything this big, they're going to get caught doing.

01:13:43.000 And people say, well, they'd be caught.

01:13:44.000 Well, they have been caught.

01:13:45.000 And there's millions of people in the world looking at 9-11.

01:13:49.000 Hundreds of thousands in America who are really looking at it.

01:13:51.000 As I said, hundreds of thousands that are really focused on it.

01:13:54.000 And we have the giant brain trust here of research and people involved that's frankly unstoppable.

01:14:02.000 And so the globalists are almost in a panic mode right now, admitting that we're winning the war, admitting that, quote, armies of conspiracy theorists are taking over, playing to the big room, as Vanity Fair said last year when they viciously attacked me in a cover story that I was in.

01:14:18.000 And here to talk about just all of this, and I appreciate you again holding to this five-minute diatribe, is Jim Hoffman.

01:14:26.000 Jim, good to have you on with us.

01:14:28.000 Thank you for that introduction.

01:14:30.000 Oh, you bet.

01:14:31.000 And your websites for folks who want to check them out?

01:14:33.000 Well, my main website is 911research.

01:14:35.000 The easiest way to find it is just to type 911research into Google.

01:14:39.000 It's 911research.wtc7.net.

01:14:43.000 Wtc7.net is specifically about the case of the implosion of World Trade Center Building 7 at 520 in the afternoon for no apparent reason.

01:14:51.000 It looks exactly like a controlled demolitions implosion.

01:14:54.000 This is a huge skyscraper, 47-story steel building.

01:14:57.000 First case in history of an implosion of a steel frame building being blamed on fire.

01:15:03.000 And another website is 911review.com, in which I debunk some of the errors that are in the literature of 9-11 that have been used very successfully recently by mainstream articles.

01:15:18.000 Like most recently, there's an article in Popular Mechanics Um, that purports to debunk 9-11 missteps.

01:15:24.000 And I would dub it the mother of all hit pieces.

01:15:26.000 Yeah.

01:15:27.000 Now, you've got an advanced copy, uh, and we won't get into how, but you're not obviously publishing it until it comes out next week, because, you know, you don't want to scoop them on their own story, but you have written a detailed analysis of it.

01:15:39.000 We have a link to that on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, in case folks can't find it in your labyrinthine, uh, websites, but... Yeah, in fact, the, um, I've had such a great response to this critique that it's come right up to the top of Google.

01:15:58.000 Conspiracy, but type in popular mechanics or 9-11 research, anything like that, you'll get this article.

01:16:03.000 Have you had time to add my comments because I've talked to the reporters?

01:16:06.000 Oh, no, I'm sorry I didn't.

01:16:08.000 I will do that in the future, but yes, maybe you can talk a little bit about your treatment by the people preparing this article.

01:16:14.000 Yeah, and that way it's on the record for your article.

01:16:16.000 Uh-huh.

01:16:17.000 Well, I'll be glad to do that.

01:16:18.000 I mean, that's what I want to talk about.

01:16:19.000 I mean, you know, I could write my own analysis of it, but I think you've done a good job I mean, really, because what you wrote in the article meshes with what I got talking to these goons. 0.87

01:16:31.000 Well, let's go over the article and go over your analysis of it.

01:16:35.000 Okay, well, the basic approach to the article is to set up a strawman.

01:16:40.000 A strawman argument is where you create a kind of a fictitious Um... target to attack and then you tear it down and what they do is take real evidences that are indisputable.

01:16:50.000 Right.

01:16:50.000 Although the article pretends that it does.

01:16:53.000 The article is very dramatic and it pretends.

01:16:55.000 It gives the impression through its graphic layout and The way that it seems to be taking on the issue, the photographs that it has and so forth, that it is attacking the main issues that 9-11 skeptics bring up.

01:17:08.000 And it does go around some of the main issues, like the demolition of the World Trade Center, but when you actually look at the article, what it does is it brings up mostly red herring issues, and then it brings up a few valid issues, but only some peripheral ones, and then it uses invalid arguments against those.

01:17:23.000 So it's very much this kind of strawman operation where they set up this thing and then and then tear it down and never give you a hint of what the real breadth of uh... let's start with the cover it's a huge cover that says uh... told folks about the propaganda there Oh, well, one thing that's interesting, it's the cover story, so the entire cover is taken up, there's a picture of Ground Zero, and it says in big, a huge font, 9-11 lies.

01:17:49.000 And I think that itself is very interesting, it's like people know that 9-11 is a lie.

01:17:51.000 Because they know in major polls that most Americans think there's lies going on, so that's a selling point right there.

01:17:56.000 Yeah, it's a selling point, and then in a much smaller font it says debunking, and then it says conspiracy theorists can't stand up to the hard facts.

01:18:02.000 But the main thing that you see on the cover is 9-11 lies, so it keys into what people know, And then it tries to, you know, then it tries to attack the skeptics with all kinds of homonym attacks and so forth.

01:18:14.000 And it attacks me in the article.

01:18:16.000 Oh yeah, yeah, several places in the article.

01:18:18.000 But the article has come up now on the website.

01:18:23.000 So they have the text of the main article on the Popular Mechanics website.

01:18:27.000 I was surprised they published it so early.

01:18:29.000 Maybe they knew that the critique of it had come out.

01:18:32.000 But the online edition doesn't have the editor's notes where he delivers some of the most mean-spirited insults against the 9-11 Truth Movement.

01:18:43.000 Stay there.

01:18:43.000 We'll be right back on the other side.

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01:23:05.000 We're talking to software engineer and research scientist.

01:23:11.000 Written for multiple major publications like the Journal of Nature and Scientific Digest and Scientific American.

01:23:19.000 Continuing, though, you're right.

01:23:21.000 They don't normally, and I've checked out Popular Mechanics, they don't normally post their text articles until a few weeks after the magazine goes on shelves, so they sell more.

01:23:30.000 Very unusual, when the magazine hasn't even hit store shelves yet, it'll hit next week, to already have the text report up, and I would imagine that's to counter Your expert analysis of their piece.

01:23:42.000 Yeah, oh, that's interesting.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, I didn't know.

01:23:44.000 I was very surprised to see it so early.

01:23:46.000 And it's also interesting that when you go to the homepage of Popular Mechanics, the page is talking about the PM blog, as if, oh, they're hip, they're on the internet now.

01:23:56.000 You know, it's like they're playing this catch-up game.

01:23:58.000 It's really interesting. 0.99

01:24:00.000 That's ridiculous.

01:24:03.000 Now, I want to get more into the hit piece, and then I want to get into the 9-11 itself, but you notice how they go after myself, and I told you this, and I hope you add it to your article.

01:24:11.000 This is important, and you talk about straw man.

01:24:13.000 I had different reporters call me, and the reporters sounded so weird out of the hundreds of interviews I've done.

01:24:18.000 And I've interviewed by the New York Times, Washington Post, Vanity Fair, you name it.

01:24:22.000 You know, American Legion.

01:24:25.000 I mean, it just goes on and on.

01:24:26.000 I thought it was fake.

01:24:28.000 The reporters, they would say, what about building 7?

01:24:31.000 And I'd go, okay, well what's your evidence?

01:24:33.000 And I'd go, well, Larry Silverstein says that they, you know, pulled it, and they told reporters to get back, we're gonna pull it, and it wasn't, you know, hit by anything, it had some small fire.

01:24:41.000 Well, we don't want to talk about that!

01:24:42.000 Did you see the bombs?

01:24:44.000 Well, of course I didn't see the bombs!

01:24:45.000 Well, and then, well, you wrote an article saying there were seismic spikes!

01:24:49.000 And I go, what article?

01:24:51.000 They pointed out an article one of our writers wrote about an American Free Press article and an American Free Press article, and I said, well, it says American Free Press!

01:24:58.000 It has a link!

01:24:59.000 You know, but they told me the web address.

01:25:01.000 I pulled up the article on my site.

01:25:02.000 I said, I said, you know I didn't write that.

01:25:05.000 And they go, well, we called the seismologist and we asked if you interviewed him.

01:25:09.000 And they said, no.

01:25:10.000 And I said, did you ask him if American Free Press did?

01:25:12.000 And they go, no.

01:25:13.000 And I said, I go, right there, you're trying to do a hit piece.

01:25:16.000 And I used the term, I said, that's a straw man.

01:25:19.000 And I called the Redditor and he called me back and he said, OK, we're not going to put that in there.

01:25:23.000 But they still kind of did in a way your comments.

01:25:27.000 Oh, so their technique is to zoom in on the few issues that are not valid ones.

01:25:34.000 Now, the idea that there were seismic spikes that corresponded to the start of the collapses of the Twin Towers, I think is an invalid point.

01:25:43.000 It's an easy mistake to make, but if I actually did the analysis with the timing of these spikes, the spikes occur over about a five to seven second period.

01:25:52.000 the large spikes, and they correspond to the time that the rubble reaches the ground.

01:25:57.000 So what this Popular Mechanics article does is to address the World Trade Center demolition, for which there are numerous pieces of evidence, rather than address any of those pieces of...

01:26:11.000 They don't focus on the concrete stuff.

01:26:13.000 Yeah, they find the one piece of invalid evidence that they can, and then focus on that.

01:26:17.000 But even on this questionable piece, they don't go right to the source of the article.

01:26:22.000 They call someone that posted it, and then to get a false report, They call and say, did PrisonPlanet.com interview you, when clearly it said the name of the newspaper.

01:26:31.000 Should you see others' wheels within wheels?

01:26:34.000 Oh yeah, uh-huh.

01:26:36.000 Go ahead.

01:26:38.000 So they ignore the many valid points that are much stronger points about demolition.

01:26:45.000 Well, let's talk about the world, the Twin Towers.

01:26:48.000 They ignore the fact that the The towers fell straight down, maintaining radial symmetry as this zone of total destruction, this exploding dust cloud just raced to the ground.

01:27:00.000 The total symmetry, that vertical symmetry, is what controlled demolition is all about, because a tall steel structure doesn't want to fall straight through it.

01:27:08.000 There's a whole science to this.

01:27:10.000 In fact, I have video of them blowing up a Las Vegas hotel similar to Building 7, and you see how they blow out one of the central columns first, Then they blow out the others to make it all fall in a small pile.

01:27:24.000 And it all has to be done with hundreds, if not thousands, of individual explosive charges placed against the supporting columns of the building.

01:27:31.000 And those charges have to be set off with exact timing.

01:27:35.000 And if there's even a second or two mistake in the timing, it could cause the entire building to topple.

01:27:41.000 A lot of times they try to control demolitions that don't work.

01:27:44.000 They have to go back in.

01:27:46.000 And if they don't, you know, if you have a tall structure in an urban setting with other buildings next to it and the building topples, that's a huge amount of damage.

01:27:54.000 I'm sure you're familiar with the demolitions they've tried to do before, though, where it doesn't come down.

01:27:58.000 Oh, no, I'm not familiar with those, no.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, there's been quite a few cases where they put the controlled demolitions in and then some of them don't go off.

01:28:06.000 They have to go in and reset them, yeah.

01:28:10.000 So they completely ignore the really compelling evidence about the demolitions.

01:28:14.000 The vast clouds of dust.

01:28:16.000 I mean the Twin Towers.

01:28:17.000 You can probably remember that lower Manhattan was just blanketed with a layer of dust because the 90,000 tons of concrete that was in the floor slabs of these buildings was thoroughly converted to fine, mostly microscopic dust.

01:28:29.000 The empire's on the run.

01:28:29.000 We're on the march.

01:28:30.000 hundred micron, much thinner than the air.

01:28:32.000 Exactly.

01:28:33.000 I mean, if it would have collapsed on its own, it would have been in big chunks, not pulverized and exploded outward.

01:28:39.000 We'll be back with a long segment.

01:28:40.000 Stay there.

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01:32:02.000 Folks, in the computer from months ago, I've got the clips of the firefighters saying it looked like there were bombs.

01:32:15.000 You see them coming, you know, going down.

01:32:17.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:32:18.000 Dan Rather saying it looked like well-placed dynamite in Building 7.

01:32:21.000 I have Silverstein saying they pulled it.

01:32:24.000 I have that clip.

01:32:26.000 I mean, I have all these clips and we're going to be playing those.

01:32:28.000 In fact, do you have that Silverstein clip ready?

01:32:30.000 Here it is.

01:32:31.000 Here's Silverstein from the PBS documentary, America Rebuilding.

01:32:34.000 Here it is.

01:32:37.000 World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.

01:32:44.000 Located north of the slurry wall, 7 had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.

01:32:50.000 And there had been no bodies to recover.

01:32:56.000 Pelted by debris when the North Tower collapsed, 7 burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.

01:33:05.000 So again, that's Larry Silverstein talking.

01:33:06.000 from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

01:33:12.000 I said, you know, we've had such a terrible loss of life.

01:33:15.000 Maybe the smallest thing to do is pull it.

01:33:18.000 And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse.

01:33:24.000 So, again, that's Larry Silverstein talking.

01:33:32.000 We're talking, of course, right now to Jim Hoffman, who's a 9-11 researcher.

01:33:38.000 Uh, Jim, I've got a whole bunch of other clips, but I just wanted to play that because we were talking about this.

01:33:42.000 Let's get into the real evidence of controlled demolitions in all three of the towers, and then kind of compare that to how they did a hit piece on it, uh, and then attacked the straw man, uh, in, uh, this popular mechanics piece.

01:33:57.000 Okay, do you want to talk about Building 7 first?

01:33:59.000 Yeah, let's, I mean, wherever you want to start, sure.

01:34:01.000 Okay, so with Building 7, they have, um, um, The Popular Mechanics article sets up 16 points which they want to make you believe are accepted by all 9-11 skeptics, as if there's nothing else important except these 16 points, and about half of them are invalid.

01:34:17.000 But they have one point on Building 7, and they only go into it peripherally.

01:34:23.000 They say that they use a quote from a website that says, the video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to fire, but rather a controlled demolition.

01:34:30.000 But it doesn't tell you where the video is at.

01:34:32.000 You can look at WTC7.net and see, I have three videos that very clearly show the building undergoing a precise controlled demolition style collapse where the building just sinks with precise verticality into its footprint and leaves a small pile of rubble.

01:34:46.000 But what they don't tell you in the article, they just leave that assertion out there and then they bring in their NIST expert and they give this bizarre explanation that, oh, if one column failed, the whole section would Which fail or something, you know, just this hand-waving argument that somehow a steel-framed building could just, you know, suddenly, you know, undergo a chain reaction in this idea of progressive collapse.

01:35:09.000 Now, even the experts, they quote the first few weeks where, yes, steel melted, and then later, when all the scientific studies show that it was, you know, a thousand degrees cooler at the minimum for it even to get red and start weakening, then they go, okay, It didn't melt, it just weakened and then all just fell apart.

01:35:27.000 So they're changing their story too.

01:35:30.000 Oh yeah, so the article accuses 9-11 skeptics of saying that the official theory has the fires melting the steel when that story was trotted out by the experts.

01:35:42.000 There's an article on BBC where this structural engineer, Chris Weiss, is saying that the fire has melted the steel.

01:35:49.000 Well, if you look at the melting point of steel, which is 1535 degrees Celsius, it's about 700 degrees Celsius higher than the maximum temperature that you can possibly get by burning any kind of hydrocarbon in an open flame, like in a building fire, without systematic preheating or pressurization of the air.

01:36:06.000 If you don't have a blast furnace that has that kind of, you know, pressurized air or whatever, you can't get much above 800 degrees Celsius with a hydrocarbon fire.

01:36:15.000 And if it's a diffuse fire, not the kind of blue flame that you have on a stove, it's much cooler yet.

01:36:21.000 Now, you know, you might have a Uh, gas stove.

01:36:26.000 It has a blue flame.

01:36:27.000 That's about as hot as you can get burning hydrocarbons in the atmosphere without pressurization.

01:36:31.000 Why doesn't it melt the metal?

01:36:32.000 And why doesn't your stove collapse?

01:36:33.000 Why doesn't the grill on your stove collapse?

01:36:35.000 I mean, it's the most ludicrous idea in the world to think that a steel-framed building could suddenly, you know, rip itself apart and just shatter into thousands of pieces because of fires.

01:36:44.000 And then fall perfectly.

01:36:46.000 And then fall perfectly into its footprint, yeah.

01:36:49.000 But anyway, back to Building 7.

01:36:50.000 They don't mention the three critical facts, which are 1.

01:36:53.000 The building collapsed in a precisely vertical fashion.

01:36:56.000 If you look at the videos, it's just amazing.

01:37:00.000 The alignment of the outer wall doesn't even deviate a degree or so within the first five seconds of the collapse.

01:37:05.000 Secondly, it collapses almost at the rate of free fall.

01:37:07.000 Now you can calculate how fast it would take a brick falling from the top of the roof.

01:37:12.000 Building 7 fell as fast as a bowling ball.

01:37:14.000 Oh, just about as fast.

01:37:16.000 Within a half a second of the time it would take Um, a bowling ball without any atmosphere to fall from the roof of the building.

01:37:22.000 So it's just, just a split second under free fall time.

01:37:26.000 And third... And then again, an atmosphere would slow that down when there was an atmosphere.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 Well, so it's within, you know, it's just, uh, clearly all the vertical support of that building was taken out in an instant for it to sink into its footprint with such... And why don't we see the penthouse collapse first?

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:42.000 Well, apparently that's because they took out the central columns ahead of the perimeter of the building.

01:37:47.000 Which they always do, so it falls in on itself.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, with a tall building like that, it's quite an engineering challenge to bring such a tall steel structure down into its footprint.

01:37:55.000 So what they do is they take out the core structure, they take out the core columns of the building just slightly ahead of the exterior, and what happens is the core starts to fall, and then it pulls in the outer parts of the building, so that what you get when the building falls is that the rubble pile You see the outer walls of the building kind of folding in and lying on top of the rest of the building.

01:38:16.000 And if you look at photographs of the remains of Building 7, that's precisely what you see.

01:38:21.000 And unlike the Twin Towers, which were just spewed all over the place, the remains, Building 7, the rubble pile was almost entirely lying and piled up on the block.

01:38:31.000 This building occupied a whole city block and was a straddle electrical substation.

01:38:35.000 It's almost entirely consolidated within that block.

01:38:39.000 And, um, now, notice they were talking in that clip about, um, that no one was believed killed in Building 7.

01:38:44.000 Well, if this is the first case of a steel-framed building that imploded on itself supposedly because of fire, shouldn't that have warranted a careful investigation?

01:38:53.000 And yet what they did with the entirety of Ground Zero, including Building 7, is that they sealed off the area and started carting away the steel immediately, apparently without any systematic documentation of the kind you would expect if they were actually investigating the incident, and instead started shipping the steel to blast furnaces in India and China and instead started shipping the steel to blast furnaces in India and China to destroy the evidence as They had the entire scene mopped up within six months.

01:39:21.000 But anyway, going to the Twin Towers, the Twin Towers are often described as implosions also because you see the buildings fell straight down, maintaining symmetry and just falling straight down.

01:39:34.000 But instead of imploding on themselves, a more accurate way of describing it is that they exploded.

01:39:39.000 Because if you look at what happened, the collapse started near the top, actually a little bit above where the crash zones were.

01:39:47.000 The buildings just started shattering.

01:39:49.000 And then evolving these huge clouds of, mushrooming clouds of dust that just were growing at an explosive rate.

01:39:56.000 The buildings are so large that it doesn't really you don't get a sense of how fast those dust clouds were growing, but you can measure them in the videos.

01:40:04.000 And the diameter, the radius of these clouds was growing at a rate of 50 to 80 feet per second.

01:40:11.000 And so by the time they got to the ground, these rubble clouds were about 400 feet in diameter.

01:40:19.000 The blast wave was so great that it shattered windows in the World Financial Center buildings, which are directly to the west, up to about 200 feet.

01:40:29.000 All the windows are just blown out.

01:40:31.000 So the blast wave was so strong that it just shattered windows that were 400 feet away from the nearest of the towers.

01:40:36.000 So clearly these buildings exploded.

01:40:39.000 There's no other way to describe it.

01:40:40.000 And they were just thoroughly pulverized.

01:40:42.000 There was no, basically there was no macroscopic materials other than the metallic components of the buildings left.

01:40:50.000 There was no recognized, look at Ron, There are hundreds of images of Ground Zero, even though they attempted to suppress people from taking photographs of it.

01:40:59.000 Yeah, they said no.

01:41:01.000 Don't take photographs.

01:41:02.000 Because they don't want there to be any evidence.

01:41:04.000 But there is enough surviving evidence that you can look at it, and you can't find any recognizable objects other than the steel skeleton and the skeletons and the aluminum cladding of the metallic components.

01:41:16.000 And most of those are even unrecognizable.

01:41:18.000 Like, every single floor on these buildings had these steel corrugated floor pans, which were large flat pieces of steel, and the floor slabs were poured on these pans.

01:41:30.000 But you don't even see any big sections of these pans.

01:41:33.000 I mean, if the pancake theory were correct and the floors were pancaking down, You should have a pile of platters, you know, a pile of these on the floor.

01:41:41.000 Instead, they blew Tower 1 and 2 from the top down.

01:41:44.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, with Building 7, with the classical demolition blowing up the top.

01:41:49.000 From the bottom up, yeah.

01:41:51.000 So, they were very... In fact, we even got video stills where you zoom in on 7, and you zoom in on other buildings, and you can clearly see the explosions following down as it collapses.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, and one of the really interesting features in the collapses of the towers is that there are these high-velocity energetic ejections of gas and dust that are called squibs.

01:42:15.000 And you see these little things ejecting about ten stories below the zone of complete destruction.

01:42:21.000 And you see this when they blow up Las Vegas hotels.

01:42:23.000 Yeah, you see squibs, although they're not as energetic. 0.98

01:42:25.000 They're more like little, kind of blunt puffs of dust.

01:42:27.000 But in the case of the towers, you see these really energetic squibs coming out and shooting out about a hundred feet from them.

01:42:33.000 Well, I've seen some controlled demolitions where the squibs are even bigger. 0.99

01:42:36.000 Yeah, well, and there's so many ways that you can do controlled demolitions.

01:42:40.000 One thing that people often don't understand is they see Building 7 and they think, oh, they see that that's a controlled demolition because they've seen other controlled demolitions and that's what it looks like.

01:42:49.000 But the towers look completely different and I've seen the The specious argument that, oh, that can't be a controlled demolition because a controlled demolition is from the bottom up.

01:42:57.000 Well, of course you can engineer a demolition in any of a million ways.

01:43:01.000 You can have the explosion starting from the top, or starting from the bottom, or you can have large explosions, or small ones, or you know,

01:43:09.000 I mean, I bought a bunch of the videos they show on TV of buildings being blown up, and they've got all different types, where it starts at the top, where it starts at the bottom, but then when you see these office buildings or hotels, the style of seven, they like to do that crimping where they blow one of the middle or off from the middle, off center, so it all collapses in on one area.

01:43:32.000 Yeah, what's so interesting about What happened to the World Trade Center complex is the way that the towers were part of the 16 block superblock and they were surrounded by low-rise buildings that were part of the World Trade Center complex.

01:43:45.000 And they blew up and they just rained all this heavy debris on the adjacent low-rise buildings and crushed, largely crushed them.

01:43:54.000 Like half of World Trade Center 4 was completely crushed.

01:43:57.000 World Trade Center 3, the Marriott Hotel, was about half crushed.

01:44:00.000 There was a big hole in World Trade Center 6 from the falling debris of the North Tower.

01:44:04.000 But still they didn't fall.

01:44:05.000 And still they didn't fall.

01:44:07.000 And think of it.

01:44:08.000 And you've got to be at Ground Zero to realize how far away 7 is.

01:44:11.000 I mean, you've got Bankers Trust and all the other buildings right up against the South Tower.

01:44:17.000 Yeah, so Building 7... Buildings fall into them and they don't collapse.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, so all the buildings that were totally destroyed on 9-11 all had a World Trade Center address.

01:44:27.000 So all the buildings in the main block were just totaled by this.

01:44:32.000 The towers were blown up, and then the debris that rained down crushed... The only stuff owned by Silverstein gets destroyed.

01:44:38.000 Yeah, and the only other building that was destroyed was one that had a World Trade Center address, but was on a block across the street.

01:44:43.000 It's across Vesey Street to the north of the World Trade Center complex.

01:44:47.000 And so they use an implosion on that building so that they don't destroy the adjacent Verizon and U.S.

01:44:52.000 Post Office buildings.

01:44:53.000 How interesting.

01:44:54.000 And by the way, Building 7 is falling with these big buildings, I mean literally 50 feet from them, folks.

01:44:59.000 I've stood there.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 And so you've got another building in fires, falling right there, and then these buildings hardly get damaged.

01:45:08.000 You're right.

01:45:09.000 So, how interesting that all the buildings that had the same owner, that had the same insurer, that were part of the same insurance policy, were all totaled.

01:45:17.000 But anyway, back to the point about the crushing of these adjacent buildings.

01:45:21.000 We're supposed to believe that, like in the case of the North Tower, that 15 floors of this lightweight construction, these are 100% steel-framed buildings.

01:45:31.000 Um, that's something that, um, if you see the buildings blowing up, you think, gosh, these masonry buildings, all this, all this pulverized dust and everything.

01:45:38.000 No, these are over-engineered buildings.

01:45:40.000 All buildings like this have to be over-engineered.

01:45:42.000 These buildings had to withstand 140 mile an hour crosswinds.

01:45:45.000 Hurricane force winds, and they have to withstand probably magnitude.

01:45:48.000 They were designed to take multiple, uh, large passenger jet impacts.

01:45:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:53.000 With the largest plane of the era they were built was the 707-340, and another misconception is that the 767s were jumbo jets, they're so much bigger, but if you actually compare a 767-200 to a 707-340, they're almost identical in size.

01:46:08.000 707 340 they're almost they're almost identical in size I mean a 7 a 767 is a little bit heavier oh but it has a slower cruise speed so a typical collision would actually involve less force with the 767 and with it with these aren't jumbo jets these are just passenger planes Yeah, they have a slightly wider body, but they only have a seating capacity of about 160 or so.

01:46:28.000 Now, I want to, when we come back, play some more clips of newscasts and things, and then I want to get into other areas of 9-11 that are really important evidence, and then, of course, take some phone calls, but And of course, Jim's going to stay with us some of the next hour.

01:46:45.000 We're going to get into some other news items from around the country and the world.

01:46:48.000 But Jim, we've got a funeral coming up this weekend in Austin and I'm going to be attending it and I'm going to put a plug in for folks to come to the funeral.

01:46:54.000 So I'm going to put you on hold and then we're going to go to break and we'll come right back to you.

01:46:58.000 Okay, thank you.

01:46:58.000 Okay, Jim?

01:46:59.000 Thanks a million.

01:47:00.000 We're going to come back with Jim Hoffman after this quick break.

01:47:02.000 Right now, my good friend Stuart, who helped us build a home for a veteran when they were going to bulldoze his His house, Jocum Panem, we did that successfully.

01:47:14.000 Then we built a memorial church for all those that died at Waco.

01:47:18.000 And the chief engineer that donated just...

01:47:21.000 Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of his hours to help build the memorial church at Waco.

01:47:27.000 I told you about how he went in and had surgery and then got some type of infection.

01:47:31.000 They said he'd die in 24 hours.

01:47:33.000 He actually lived another four days.

01:47:35.000 But he did die over the weekend.

01:47:37.000 George Pulliam and his memorial service and funeral is going to be this Saturday at 1 p.m.

01:47:43.000 And Stewart, tell us about it.

01:47:45.000 Alright, great.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, it's going to be 1 o'clock Saturday at Cook, Walden.

01:47:51.000 That's at Wells Branch and I-35 in North Boston.

01:47:57.000 It's just that Cook Walden is on the service road just a little bit south of the Wells Branch Parkway.

01:48:05.000 His wife, Annel, has requested an open mic so that anyone that wants to say something can say something.

01:48:15.000 And requested that it be videotaped.

01:48:17.000 And I do not have one.

01:48:19.000 If I have to rent one, I will.

01:48:20.000 But anybody out there that's going to attend that could bring a video camera.

01:48:24.000 You know, if I could leave my phone number or something.

01:48:27.000 No, Stuart, it's no problem.

01:48:28.000 There'll be plenty of video cameras there.

01:48:30.000 I'll bring one.

01:48:31.000 Okay, great.

01:48:32.000 And, uh, and she really, uh, you know, George, George was an amazing guy.

01:48:37.000 You know, he was one of the guys that makes a difference.

01:48:39.000 You hear, like his show today, all these people who are fighting and arguing and You know, just all this criminal activity.

01:48:47.000 George was the guy that made a difference.

01:48:49.000 He was a hero.

01:48:50.000 He's the guy that donated his time without Hesitation and without complaint.

01:48:56.000 Well, I'm going to be there this Saturday and I will bring a camera and I'm sure some other cameras will be there, Stuart.

01:49:02.000 For folks that just joined us again, they don't want, he didn't want anybody to wear suits to his funeral, so please don't dress up.

01:49:09.000 You know, just come in your work clothes or whatever.

01:49:12.000 That's what he asked.

01:49:13.000 And on top of that, give folks the address one more time.

01:49:16.000 Okay, it's Cook Walden And that's 1pm this Saturday, Stuart.

01:49:31.000 Alright, thanks a lot, Stuart.

01:49:33.000 Take care.

01:49:34.000 We'll come back with our guest, Jim Hoffman.

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01:53:11.000 We'll play some clips of firefighters saying I look like detonators and bombs.

01:53:15.000 And we have Silverstein saying they pulled it.

01:53:18.000 And I have another clip where in the same video the head of engineering for New York goes, pull it means demolishing a building.

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01:53:27.000 I mean, what else do you need, folks?

01:53:28.000 I mean, we have them admitting it.

01:53:30.000 And I've called Silverstein's office.

01:53:31.000 The TV ads have been running in New York asking him, did you blow it up?

01:53:35.000 He won't respond.

01:53:37.000 Very suspicious.

01:53:37.000 We'll go back to Jim here in just one moment.

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01:55:17.000 Jim, continuing with 9-11, there's a lot of different areas that prove we have controlled demolition in the buildings, but having Silverstein say this...

01:55:29.000 And having Giuliani say we were told to get out of the building and already running a drill that day, now it's admitted that FEMA was, they tried to deny that when the FEMA person messed up on the nightly news and said they were.

01:55:40.000 I mean, there's so many points to this, but Silverstein won't respond to over a million dollars worth of ads running New York on TV and in print saying, hey Silverstein, why'd you say this?

01:55:53.000 Why won't he respond?

01:55:55.000 Oh, I guess it's to his advantage not to.

01:55:59.000 One wonders why he would even say anything so incriminating.

01:56:03.000 But what's even more amazing is why it hasn't even been acknowledged in the mainstream media that there's even an issue here.

01:56:11.000 Because what's so incredible about it is that No government agency has done anything but try to sell the official story that it was fire that brought down Building 7.

01:56:23.000 And for a while they said it was some fuel tank, but then they admit that fuel tank didn't even blow up.

01:56:28.000 Oh yeah, and how could a diesel fuel tank blow up?

01:56:30.000 You know, do this experiment.

01:56:32.000 Put some diesel fuel in a cup and drop a match into it and see if you can even get it to burn.

01:56:37.000 I mean, you have to elevate diesel fuel.

01:56:39.000 You have to inject oxygen or air into it.

01:56:42.000 Or heat it up a few hundred degrees Fahrenheit to even get it to burn.

01:56:45.000 It's not that volatile.

01:56:48.000 So, um, and, you know, even if something could blow up, even if you had a tank of fuel that could blow up in the basement, it wouldn't bring the building, like, straight down into its footprint with such precision.

01:56:56.000 You know, it just doesn't... Well, you'd see a giant explosion.

01:56:59.000 Oh, and you'd see a giant explosion at the base.

01:57:01.000 But they admit that it didn't even do it.

01:57:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:05.000 But then the officials are still out there, you know, in the newspapers saying that.

01:57:09.000 So it's just this incredible contradiction.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:12.000 So if they made this decision to demolish the building late in the afternoon, think how ridiculous that is.

01:57:18.000 They had demolition experts go in in the space of a few hours and take down the building.

01:57:23.000 But, you know, if they did that, then how come FEMA wasn't interested in that or NIST isn't interested in this interesting detail?

01:57:30.000 Yeah, why isn't it a news item?

01:57:32.000 Stay there, Tim.

01:57:34.000 We'll be right back and we'll take some of your calls and get into some of the other Real smoking guns of 9-11.

01:57:34.000 Stay there.

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01:58:35.000 the LCI ADA attacks, and we're going to get into some of the other areas smoking guns of 9/11, and I promise we're going to start going to your calls, Paul and Manuel and Ed and others, toll-free number to join us, 1-800-259-9231.

01:58:50.000 I want to go back through and play some of these clips concerning the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers.

01:58:55.000 Before we go to some calls, what are some other issues you want to talk about, Jim?

01:58:59.000 Well, I think it's important to point out just how many issues there are that are smoking guns of 9/11.

01:59:05.000 I think part of the way that the psychological operation of 9-11 works is that it's so overwhelming.

01:59:10.000 There's so many things that are so obvious when you actually look at them that they're counting on people to be intimidated by the very magnitude of the crime, not to really want to take it apart.

01:59:22.000 Let's look at one thing, for instance.

01:59:24.000 The smoking gun video that was aired in November of 2001, in which Bin Laden is supposedly taking credit for the crime.

01:59:33.000 Well, if you actually look at the video, you can see that the actor, who's supposedly Bin Laden, doesn't even have the same facial structure as Bin Laden.

01:59:40.000 I mean, that's how obvious the scam is.

01:59:42.000 They made a voice print test and found out it wasn't Bin Laden.

01:59:45.000 Those voice prints are 100%.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:48.000 I mean, even without going to anything more advanced like voice tests, you can just look at the photographs.

01:59:55.000 But Canadians and French did the test. 0.83

01:59:56.000 I mean, you can take my voice, create a voice key with it, then later test and see if somebody's really me.

02:00:02.000 It failed the voice test and then experts looked at it, linguists, it wasn't even the same dialect.

02:00:10.000 But then you can look at the hijacking scenario by which these supposedly These hijackers took over the planes and... People who couldn't fly Cessna off the ground!

02:00:21.000 Yeah, so they were terrible pilots.

02:00:24.000 The alleged hijacker of the pilot for Flight 77 that was supposed to crash into the Pentagon wasn't even trusted to fly a Cessna.

02:00:32.000 He was considered a terrible pilot.

02:00:34.000 His flight instructors were just laughing that he couldn't fly at all.

02:00:39.000 This was in the New York Times.

02:00:42.000 And then you have this scenario where if you look at the flight paths of the planes, two of the planes, flights 93 and 77, go way out as far as Ohio before turning around and turning back to their targets.

02:00:58.000 Now, why would hydrogen?

02:01:00.000 hijackers that they were intent on attacking these targets wait for an hour before they even turn the planes around back to their targets exposing themselves to certain intercepts had standard operating procedures been in effect.

02:01:12.000 That's another thing, they claim in the popular mechanics article that there had been one interception in history...

02:01:17.000 The ten years before 9/11.

02:01:20.000 But in reality, all the time I would hear about before 9/11 of some Cessna that went over a base or something and they scrambled F-16s and forced it down.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, and I think it's interesting that one of the very, quote, experts that they cite in their article is on record saying that there were 67 scrambles in and the nine months preceding June 2001.

02:01:47.000 And so if even half of those led to intercepts, scramble is when you get the jets into the air and intercept is when they get them.

02:01:53.000 Well, I've talked to pilots who got off course in storms and stuff and they had F-16s fly up and threaten them.

02:01:57.000 Yeah, so it's a common thing and it's just an indication of how incredibly loose this article is with the fact that they make this sweeping claim that there was only one intercept in the ten years before 9/11.

02:02:08.000 In fact, we have a lot of pilots that are listening.

02:02:10.000 Pilots, if you want to call in, not just the news articles we have, but if you want to call in, if you can get in and talk about people you know, or your air traffic controllers we've had on, or anybody who can document, just for the listeners, Uh, you know, eyewitness stuff of being intercepted or watching intercepts, and I call in 1-800-259-9231.

02:02:28.000 I want to go over all these points, Jim, in detail, but first we'll come back and take some calls, so stay with us, okay?

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02:06:06.000 All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

02:06:09.000 We're talking with Jim Hoffman, and he is a scientific researcher or research scientist, and he's been on the 9-11 case for a few years and a lot of really interesting work, and And Jim, you ready to take some calls before we get back into other areas of 9-11 that are totally obvious?

02:06:29.000 Let's talk to Paul in Mass.

02:06:29.000 Yeah.

02:06:31.000 Go ahead, you're on the air, Paul.

02:06:33.000 Hi, that was just a question that came to me when I very first saw the collapse was How could planes bring that down?

02:06:44.000 To me, right off the bat, I said controlled demolition.

02:06:48.000 And then the four planes being simultaneously hijacked all at once.

02:06:52.000 I mean, to me, common sense would dictate that somebody was behind it, and I thought... And an hour and a half with no intercepts, and then finally they launch a few planes and order them to fly at 600 miles an hour?

02:07:03.000 Not even 600 miles an hour.

02:07:05.000 If you do the math, it's more like 300 miles an hour.

02:07:07.000 It's like F-16s and F-15s are flying barely above stall speed.

02:07:11.000 I was about to say, they can hardly stay in the air at that speed.

02:07:15.000 Yeah, so that was the point I wanted to make.

02:07:18.000 I don't know how people could decide to By the illusion of the lie.

02:07:22.000 Well, you're at Ground Zero and you see how far away 7 is and all these buildings, I mean, that were just right up against the towers.

02:07:31.000 The towers fell on and they've just got some light damage.

02:07:34.000 I mean, it's ridiculous.

02:07:35.000 I saw that live, actually. 0.89

02:07:37.000 I was sitting with my mother and I said, how did that building come down?

02:07:39.000 I said, they blew it up.

02:07:41.000 But they didn't blow it up.

02:07:41.000 Look.

02:07:42.000 I said, sure they did.

02:07:43.000 I said, it's nowhere near the towers.

02:07:45.000 Jim, let me bring this up to you.

02:07:47.000 I've been in New York.

02:07:48.000 The day of the event, I'm driving to my car, you know, at 5 o'clock or whatever when 7 came down, and I heard them go, is that a demolition?

02:07:54.000 Well, there was some talk of demolishing it.

02:07:56.000 I heard that on National Radio, ABC Radio.

02:07:59.000 Listen, but since I've been in New York, people keep telling me that they heard it on NPR that day, and that it was openly discussed, and I haven't been able to track those tapes down.

02:08:09.000 I'm not aware of that.

02:08:10.000 I haven't seen the live, you know, many of the live tapes that were made during the day.

02:08:14.000 And I was watching during the day, but I only vaguely remember them talking about Building 7.

02:08:19.000 And when I heard that, I thought, oh, maybe it's some small, low-rise building right under the towers.

02:08:23.000 I didn't even know what it was until I went back and checked it, you know, looked into the story.

02:08:27.000 Notice how much attention they gave to the big towers, but this 47-story building falls in a little over three seconds, and it's just, oh, it just fell.

02:08:34.000 Yeah, and then it just disappeared from the news, like, the day after.

02:08:36.000 They reported it on the day, and then it was just gone.

02:08:39.000 You didn't hear anything about it?

02:08:41.000 Unbelievable.

02:08:42.000 Anything else, Paul?

02:08:43.000 Nope, that was it.

02:08:44.000 Alright, thank you, sir.

02:08:46.000 Let's take a call from Manuel in Pennsylvania.

02:08:50.000 Go ahead, Manuel.

02:08:51.000 Alright, guys.

02:08:52.000 You got a good discussion.

02:08:53.000 And, Jim, pardon me, because I meant to call in earlier.

02:08:55.000 I wanted to talk about Ward Churchill, Alex.

02:08:57.000 Well, go ahead and talk about it.

02:08:59.000 Sure.

02:09:00.000 It concerns 9-11.

02:09:01.000 Oh, it definitely does.

02:09:03.000 He's the professor saying that, you know, that the people that died in the towers, you know, they're not innocent, and that they're basically Adolf Eichmanns.

02:09:11.000 I mean, I've got his quotes here.

02:09:12.000 And that Al-Qaeda was fighting back against the evil America.

02:09:15.000 That plays into the globalist's hands.

02:09:17.000 It was Al-Ci-Ada They did the attacks, but some groups on the left want to say, oh no, Al-Qaeda struck back against the evil America. 0.70

02:09:25.000 That plays into the Pentagon P-2-O-G plan to actually stir the Arabs up, and then it also bolsters the false right-wing in this country to say, see how evil these liberals are?

02:09:34.000 And that's right and exact.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, comment on it. 0.99

02:09:37.000 I gotta disagree with you when you say you believe this fool, and he's mega-arrogant, you're right on point when you make that surmisal. 0.99

02:09:37.000 Go ahead. 0.99

02:09:46.000 Let me tell you something.

02:09:47.000 He's not unlike every other socialist I run around here, even locally. 0.98

02:09:51.000 They all believe this was a true socialist uprising, which is the most foolish notion.

02:09:55.000 They don't see the fact that even petty drug dealers, who they themselves discounted the phony drug war, but then they don't see the fact how the globalists even use this pretext to even that facet of society, somehow shapeshift, say, a petty drug dealer into now a terrorist. 0.72

02:10:09.000 They forget all the evidence.

02:10:10.000 They truly think Google Choppers can save them.

02:10:12.000 I saw Ward Churchill speaking on C-SPAN.

02:10:15.000 It was televised, I think it was this past Wednesday.

02:10:17.000 And he said, uh, I think he's one of those U.N.

02:10:21.000 savior types.

02:10:22.000 You know, he discounts the Constitution, he calls for universal human rights.

02:10:27.000 Listen folks, listen socialists, that was not a socialist uprising, that was an engineered attack.

02:10:32.000 Recognize and look at the fact.

02:10:34.000 Another thing is, Hugo Chavez ain't gonna save you, the U.N.

02:10:37.000 won't save you, and neither is China. 0.81

02:10:38.000 You need to wake up to that fact.

02:10:40.000 It was all controlled and engineered.

02:10:42.000 Well look, how is it different with Ward Churchill saying the people that died in the towers were Adolf Weichmanns and they weren't innocent and this was an uprising hitting back?

02:10:52.000 You know, ignore all the evidence, but how can he say that? 1.00

02:10:54.000 You know, that's just like these talk show hosts saying, all of these Iraqis are animals, let's kill them. 1.00

02:10:59.000 It's the same sick mindset, and that's what I'm saying. 0.99

02:11:02.000 The left loves it when they're breaking pro-lifers' arms, you know, at pro-life protests, but they don't like it when it happens to left-wingers.

02:11:09.000 We've got to stand up for everybody's rights, because if anybody loses their rights, we all lose our rights.

02:11:15.000 Thanks for the call, Marcello.

02:11:16.000 Or not Marcello, Manuel.

02:11:19.000 Yeah, I think the blowback argument is very compelling for people with an ideology inclining them to that. 0.84

02:11:25.000 That's basically where I was when the attack was first going on.

02:11:28.000 Even though I kind of suspected it was an inside job, I was thinking, oh boy, this is our... the chicken's coming back to roost.

02:11:35.000 And so it's very natural to accept that argument.

02:11:38.000 And that's how the attack is designed.

02:11:40.000 It's designed to have this hook for all these different ideologies so that they'll be brought along into buying the big lie.

02:11:48.000 But it wasn't until much later that I realized that it was entirely engineered.

02:11:52.000 Somebody has to ask Ward Churchill, you know, did Al-Qaeda order NORAD to stand down?

02:11:57.000 Did Al-Qaeda have drills that morning of hijacked jets flying around to confuse NORAD?

02:12:02.000 Did Al-Qaeda call Merrily Brown and John Ashcroft and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and tell them not to fly to New York that day?

02:12:09.000 Did Al-Qaeda do the insider trading to the CIA?

02:12:12.000 Did Al-Qaeda on and on and on and on, did Al-Qaeda fly the Bin Ladens out of the country?

02:12:17.000 Did Al-Qaeda wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta?

02:12:20.000 No, the CIA-controlled Mahmoud Ahmed did, who was meeting with Porter Goss and Graham on the morning of 9-11. 0.97

02:12:26.000 It's ridiculous! 0.51

02:12:29.000 Uh-huh. 0.98

02:12:30.000 Let's talk to Ed in Pennsylvania.

02:12:32.000 Ed, go ahead, you're on the air.

02:12:34.000 Hi, Alex.

02:12:35.000 Hello.

02:12:36.000 I'd like to know, you know, that the whole 9-11, the situation there, was just a whole set-up, it was a done deal.

02:12:43.000 But I try to inflect, like, common sense.

02:12:47.000 And when you see, when people try to, especially in the news media, saying that a whole bunch of guys in a cave in Afghanistan orchestrated this whole thing, well heck, I can't even get a clear hookup on my cell phone for the next county over.

02:13:02.000 And they're going to tell me that guys in a cave did this whole thing.

02:13:04.000 I mean, come on.

02:13:06.000 With total precision.

02:13:07.000 Sure, of course.

02:13:08.000 With just absolute, total precision.

02:13:12.000 And then you find out that the hijackers had their cars, their homes, their credit cards paid for by the FBI and CIA.

02:13:19.000 They had informants living with them.

02:13:22.000 They would order the embassies, even though they were on terrorist watch lists, to let them back into the country. 0.99

02:13:28.000 We've got hijackers on buses with Nick Berg in Oklahoma, riding around.

02:13:32.000 He gives them his laptop.

02:13:34.000 You know, all these different CIA people around them.

02:13:37.000 I mean, it just goes on and on and on and on.

02:13:40.000 And people say, well, how did they get on the planes then?

02:13:42.000 How did they kill themselves?

02:13:43.000 Folks, they were part of drills that had been going on for months before, right up to the day, with four different drills that morning, probably more.

02:13:55.000 It's clear.

02:13:56.000 And you know, James Woods, the actor, weeks before, is flying on a flight from New York out to California.

02:14:02.000 He's on board a plane with Muhammad and others. 0.99

02:14:04.000 He gets off the plane and says, at a connection, these guys are simulating a hijacking, and the FBI comes and says, shut your mouth, or we'll arrest you as a terrorist.

02:14:13.000 Okay?

02:14:14.000 I mean, even actors are on planes.

02:14:16.000 These guys were, all these so-called test flights, they thought they were part of a drill.

02:14:21.000 They got on board the aircraft, and I've talked to people inside, folks, who've heard the tapes, okay?

02:14:28.000 And clearly, the stewardess were saying, we can't breathe!

02:14:30.000 The pilots have locked themselves in the cockpit and are depressurizing!

02:14:35.000 The official story is a fraud!

02:14:38.000 You got any comments on that, Mr. Hoffman?

02:14:40.000 Oh, one thing to add to that is the fact that At least six of the alleged hijackers that the FBI was so quick to identify after the attack showed up alive after their photos were flashed all over the world by the FBI.

02:14:54.000 And they're photos on passports, too!

02:14:58.000 Magical passports!

02:15:01.000 Yeah, and yet, the 9-11 Commission, even though there's all these reports in mainstream media, all these sources, you know, from them coming to U.S.

02:15:08.000 embassies overseas and identifying themselves and saying, look, I'm alive, I didn't have anything to do with this, and yet the 9-11 Commission report runs with the same list of suspects that the FBI identified three days after the attack and doesn't even admit that there's any problem with their identity.

02:15:22.000 And the FBI even admits they, quote, had problems.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, yeah, but the Commission won't admit that.

02:15:27.000 The Commission is the biggest, you know, the biggest fraud I've ever seen.

02:15:31.000 Yeah, thanks for the call, Ed.

02:15:34.000 I want to play this clip.

02:15:36.000 This is from the French documentary.

02:15:37.000 This is minutes after the collapses, and this is firefighters.

02:15:42.000 We bleeped out, it's not edited, we just bleeped out any profanity.

02:15:46.000 This is the firefighters talking about how it looked like detonators.

02:15:49.000 Then I want to play Dan Rather.

02:15:50.000 Here's the firefighters. 0.95

02:15:52.000 We made it outside.

02:15:53.000 We made it about a block.

02:15:54.000 We made it at least two blocks.

02:15:55.000 And we started running.

02:15:56.000 It's a 12-by-4.

02:15:56.000 It's gotta pop it out.

02:15:57.000 It was like, it was just, it had to be.

02:15:59.000 Yeah, it had to be.

02:15:59.000 We had to plan to take down a building.

02:16:01.000 Who would be able to do it?

02:16:02.000 All the way down.

02:16:03.000 I was watching, and we're on it.

02:16:04.000 We ran up west.

02:16:04.000 And then you just sort of, this cloud of teams.

02:16:06.000 What do you do?

02:16:06.000 We ran up west.

02:16:15.000 We ran.

02:16:17.000 Okay, that's good.

02:16:19.000 Now, get Dan Rather ready.

02:16:20.000 I want to see if we have time to play this before we get a break.

02:16:22.000 You got Dan Rather?

02:16:22.000 Go ahead and play Dan Rather.

02:16:24.000 Again, what you're seeing are high shots.

02:16:28.000 Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.

02:16:32.000 Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.

02:16:36.000 It's amazing, incredible, pick your word.

02:16:46.000 For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

02:16:58.000 All right, and we also have Peter Jennings saying the same thing.

02:17:02.000 But regardless of all of that, this is the common sense.

02:17:04.000 I mean, I had my friend Jimmy Wright on, isn't it?

02:17:06.000 structural engineer, worked in the World Financial Center as an executive, and I had him on that that morning, 11 o'clock, we came on the air, and he said, it's the most beautiful controlled demolition I've ever seen, but they were from the top down, Alex.

02:17:19.000 And that interview is on my website.

02:17:22.000 But then we have Silverstein saying that they blew up Building 7, and it's on the news, we call his office.

02:17:29.000 All of this, he won't respond.

02:17:30.000 He won't say anything.

02:17:33.000 We're on the air saying he blew it up, and he says he blew it up, and he won't respond.

02:17:37.000 He's quiet for a year and a half now.

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02:22:13.000 Talking to Jim Hoffman, and he is a scientific researcher, research scientist, and he's really been doing a great job focusing on a lot of key areas of 9-11.

02:22:23.000 Jim, give folks your websites in case they missed them.

02:22:26.000 Okay, 911research.wtc7.net, or just type in 911research into Google, and you'll get right there.

02:22:35.000 WTC7.net focuses on the case of Building 7.

02:22:37.000 There's videos there that show how this was a controlled demolition.

02:22:41.000 It just focuses on that case.

02:22:43.000 911review.com corrects some of the errors that are in the 9-11 literature, which Well, you believe you're correcting errors.

02:22:51.000 I mean, in some cases it's your opinion and in others it's mine.

02:22:54.000 Well, everything is my opinion, yeah.

02:22:55.000 Well, I mean, I'm just saying, none of us.

02:22:57.000 I mean, it's good to have a debate, though.

02:22:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:59.000 And I think you do a good job of that, and I actually appreciate it as long as it's done in a gentlemanly and scholarly way.

02:23:04.000 I think it's great.

02:23:05.000 I think your introduction was great.

02:23:07.000 You pointed out how, you know, people various literature woke people up and then the progeny doesn't even agree with the people that they were initially read in my case I read Painful questions which I think does a great job with the World Trade Center um And yet I disagree with it about the Pentagon, but I think um, but you disagree You told me last time on the phone about Pentagon just because you can't be proven one way or the other Yeah, I think it's... I think the Pentagon... That's what I've said all along.

02:23:33.000 People go, why aren't your films about the Pentagon?

02:23:34.000 I go, look, I've got them warning public officials.

02:23:37.000 I've got Norris standing out.

02:23:38.000 I've got bin Laden being CIA. 0.68

02:23:40.000 I've got them blowing the buildings up.

02:23:42.000 I think the Pentagon attack was designed to be a confusing issue that could be used just to keep debate going that would never come to a conclusion, that would always be a source of distraction, because there's all kinds of things that we do know.

02:23:52.000 Even in the case of the Pentagon, we do know that the plane crashed into, or whatever it was crashed into, the portion of the Pentagon that was undergoing renovation.

02:24:01.000 It was sparsely occupied.

02:24:02.000 It was only occupied by the, um, pretty much by the office of the FBI.

02:24:06.000 And we know the FBI came out to hotels and gas stations and took the video tapes.

02:24:10.000 We've never seen it.

02:24:11.000 Immediately after the attack to take the videos.

02:24:13.000 And a lot of people jump to the conclusion of saying, oh, they took the videos because they don't want us to see that it wasn't a jetliner.

02:24:19.000 But an alternative explanation is that they took the videos so that it couldn't be proven that it was, so that they could keep it a source of You know, continuing controversy and non-resolution.

02:24:30.000 Yeah, they're very, very sophisticated.

02:24:32.000 And that's the modus operandi.

02:24:33.000 But they cannot ignore that Condoleezza Rice called up Mayor Willie Brown and said, don't fly to New York tomorrow.

02:24:39.000 They cannot ignore that the FAA called Salman Rushdie and said no flights in the next week to New York.

02:24:44.000 They can't ignore that the Joint Chiefs of Staff told MSNBC we were told not to fly to New York that day.

02:24:49.000 I mean, that stuff cannot be ignored.

02:24:50.000 Right, right.

02:24:51.000 They cannot ignore Odigo Calling its employees and saying, get out!

02:24:56.000 That's admitted, folks.

02:24:58.000 I mean, that's stuff they cannot ignore.

02:25:00.000 They can't ignore Silverstein saying they blew up Building 7.

02:25:04.000 Now, some of the other areas, you were getting into NORAD and the planes.

02:25:09.000 Let's spend a few minutes on that.

02:25:10.000 I mean, folks, this has never happened before.

02:25:12.000 One thing I don't think a lot of people appreciate is just how sophisticated NORAD is.

02:25:17.000 It has this, well, they've reorganized the command structure since 9-11.

02:25:20.000 It's under Space Command.

02:25:22.000 Yeah, so there's this NORTHCOM.

02:25:24.000 NORTHCOM, yeah.

02:25:25.000 But anyway, NORAD has this command and control facility in Cheyenne Mountain.

02:25:31.000 In Wyoming, there's this incredible nerve center that has multiple command centers in it.

02:25:35.000 And it's in control of the FAA towers.

02:25:37.000 Yeah, and they're direct lines to FAA and they have continuous air coverage over the entire United States.

02:25:43.000 And the standard procedure was and is That if the plane, all aircraft have flight plans, and if they deviate from their flight plans by a few, just a few degrees, or a few miles, or a air traffic controller is unable to get a response from a pilot... They immediately launch F-16s!

02:26:00.000 They immediately call NORAD, and there's planes that are on standby, the pilots are in their bunkers, they run out to the planes, they fire them up, and they get off the ground within a couple of minutes, and they can get up to altitude in a couple of minutes!

02:26:12.000 You know, these planes can fly at on fifteen hundred sixteen hundred miles an hour they can cover the distance between new york and on washington dc and i'd like eight minutes or less i mean that you know but that they're flying at three hundred and that's true three hundred miles an hour and they're dispatched from the wrong uh... from uh... from the wrong airbases and they're supposedly flying the wrong direction were there eight bases within fifty miles but what's that?

02:26:36.000 there were eight bases within fifty miles And the most damning thing of all, of course, is that the base provides coverage for the Washington, D.C.

02:26:45.000 Andrews Air Force Base, which is about 11 miles from the Pentagon, you know, it's like seconds away from the Pentagon, And the Pentagon was struck at 940.

02:26:45.000 areas.

02:26:52.000 They're saying there's a radar hole when this is the most surveilled area in the world.

02:26:57.000 And yet they can't get a fighter in the air for an hour and a half to protect what you think would be the most protected building in the world, and it's left wide open to... And we even have some of the tapes that they didn't shred.

02:27:10.000 We have people saying they were ordered to shred them.

02:27:12.000 Where they're going, is this part of the drill?

02:27:13.000 Is this a simulation?

02:27:14.000 I mean, it's amazing, folks.

02:27:18.000 Yeah, the suppression of evidence, I think, occurs throughout 9-11, like the FBI mopping up the evidence of the Pentagon attack.

02:27:28.000 The fact that the steal from Ground Zero was just systematically... We're going to come back and talk about it more and take calls.

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02:30:44.000 All right, All right, I'm told we've got Leon in Texas who disagrees with us, so he'll go to the front of the line in front of Craig and David and Clint so he'll go to the front of the line in front of Craig and David and Clint and John

02:31:10.000 Here in a few minutes we're going to go to your calls, and I want to ask Jim Hoppen to stay with us for the balance of the broadcast the next 26 minutes.

02:31:17.000 26 and a half minutes, to be precise.

02:31:21.000 Before I do that, I'm getting a lot of emails and calls.

02:31:23.000 When is Marshall Law, your new film, going to be ready?

02:31:25.000 When?

02:31:25.000 We want it.

02:31:26.000 We want it.

02:31:27.000 Well, because I have to take time out to, I guess I'm going to have to do it myself, write a rebuff to the, because I mean, a great rebuff's been written to the Popper Mechanics piece by Jim Hoffman, but I've got so much inside knowledge.

02:31:41.000 These guys interviewed me, and again, I thought it was such a bad hit piece, I thought it wasn't real reporters.

02:31:46.000 I actually called up the editor and said, are these people real?

02:31:49.000 I mean, it was so bizarre.

02:31:51.000 I mean, I thought it was like weird government investigators or something trying to set... I mean, I'm not normally paranoid like that.

02:31:56.000 It was so weird.

02:31:57.000 I've never done that.

02:31:58.000 You know, call up and go, are these reporters I'm talking to real?

02:32:00.000 Because I've tried to send them news articles and think, okay, now we don't want to talk about that.

02:32:04.000 We'll talk about this.

02:32:05.000 And I send them more documentation on that.

02:32:06.000 Well, now we want to talk about this.

02:32:08.000 Anytime I could prove something, they wanted to, like, go get some obscure thing I didn't even write, and then, like, try to play some game with it.

02:32:16.000 You know, it's amazing.

02:32:18.000 And again, what I do with PrisonPlanet.com and TV and Infowars.com and Infowars.net is I post basically what everybody's saying.

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02:32:36.000 And I stick to the things that Jim Hoffman sticks to.

02:32:39.000 You know, I was on the air two months before 9-11.

02:32:42.000 It's in Masters of Terror, my second 9-11 film.

02:32:44.000 I put the video from my TV show where I said they'll probably use Bin Laden, and they'll attack the World Trade Center or something like that, and he'll take the blame for it, and then we'll have a police state. 0.82

02:32:53.000 And you know, how did I do that?

02:32:54.000 I said, call the White House.

02:32:56.000 Tell Bush don't blow the buildings up.

02:32:59.000 Well, because I have thousands of points of information that I integrate and try to give you my analysis.

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02:35:02.000 All right, let's go back to Jim Hoffman.

02:35:06.000 Jim, let's talk to Leon in Texas.

02:35:10.000 Leon, you disagree with something?

02:35:11.000 Tell us all about it.

02:35:13.000 Okay, I do.

02:35:15.000 Basically, there's a little codicil to that That thing about steel-framed buildings not collapsing from fire alone.

02:35:27.000 And the codicil is that they don't collapse from fire alone if there's a professional fire department with plenty of water that can fight the fire.

02:35:38.000 In this case, The professionality of the New York City Fire Department was considerably reduced by the fact that it already lost 200 people.

02:35:48.000 I'm going to stop you right there.

02:35:49.000 I'm going to stop you right there. 1.00

02:35:51.000 That's pure garbage. 0.99

02:35:53.000 The underwriters of the buildings did their own test. 0.96

02:35:56.000 You can take steel and stick it in furnaces, and if you don't get it up, To the proper temperature, and we're talking these fires conservatively, even if they burned hotter than we know they did, uh, we're talking a thousand degrees below the temperature of even weakening it.

02:36:11.000 Okay?

02:36:11.000 The proper temperature?

02:36:12.000 Sir, I'm gonna stop you right there.

02:36:15.000 Hold on, put him on hold.

02:36:16.000 Put him on hold right there.

02:36:19.000 They now have to admit that fire didn't make 7 come down.

02:36:23.000 Okay?

02:36:24.000 They aren't even saying what did it now.

02:36:25.000 Do you understand me?

02:36:27.000 That Larry Silverstein, do we have that Larry Silverstein clip ready?

02:36:30.000 We have Larry Silverstein saying they pulled it.

02:36:33.000 Then we have clips from the same documentary where the head of New York Engineering says pulling it means abolish.

02:36:38.000 Play Larry Silverstein, please.

02:36:40.000 Here's Kevin Spacey introducing it.

02:36:41.000 Play it, and we'll let you comment.

02:36:44.000 World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.

02:36:50.000 Located north of the slurry wall, 7 had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.

02:36:57.000 And there had been no bodies to recover.

02:37:02.000 Pelted by debris when the North Tower collapsed.

02:37:06.000 Seven burned until late afternoon.

02:37:09.000 Allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.

02:37:12.000 I remember getting a call from the fire department commander.

02:37:16.000 Telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

02:37:18.000 I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.

02:37:23.000 Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.

02:37:26.000 And they made that decision to pull.

02:37:28.000 And then we watched the building collapse.

02:37:32.000 They made the decision to pull, that's the industry term, for demolishing a building, controlled demolition.

02:37:38.000 I mean, Mr. Hoffman comments, then we'll go back to Leon.

02:37:42.000 Um, well, I just wanted, he makes it sound like, oh, if there's, um, if the firefighters have to fight the fires in order for a building not to collapse.

02:37:50.000 Well, there's not a single example in history of a steel-framed, high-rise building collapsing due to fire.

02:37:54.000 And they don't go up and fight them.

02:37:55.000 Caracas a few months ago the thing burns for what eight hours yeah fire coming out of like 50 floors shooting out nothing collapsed nothing Chicago fires it burned for a week it doesn't happen the meridian classifier and a 38-story skyscraper in Philadelphia burned for 18 hours just raging flames just eight floors of this building were gutted and you know it went And, you know, there was some sagging of some parts, but none of the columns in these buildings were damaged.

02:38:25.000 There's not any evidence.

02:38:26.000 Well, how does the fire make all this dust magically shoot out, too?

02:38:29.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:30.000 Well, then you get into the feature of all these numerous...

02:38:34.000 You know, smoking gun features of demolition, and that's an entirely... Hold on, let me just stop you for a second.

02:38:38.000 Leon, if I get mad at you, I'm sorry, this just really frustrates me.

02:38:42.000 It really annoys me.

02:38:43.000 Now, you've got the floor, Leon, but I want you to answer my question first.

02:38:49.000 Go ahead.

02:38:49.000 What is Larry Silverstein, the owner, saying there?

02:38:53.000 He's saying that he let the fire department abandon the building.

02:38:57.000 Doesn't make any difference to him.

02:38:59.000 Oh, so pull it doesn't mean demolish it.

02:39:01.000 We gave the order to pull it and watch it come down.

02:39:03.000 That doesn't mean... Okay.

02:39:05.000 That theory doesn't make any sense because according to FEMA there were no manual firefighting operations in the building all day.

02:39:11.000 So how could they have pulled firefighting operations if there were no firefighting operations?

02:39:17.000 In any case, the buildings you people are talking about that burned for a long period of time without collapsing are old-fashioned buildings.

02:39:26.000 The Banker's Trust, sir, was literally fifty-five feet away from the South Tower.

02:39:36.000 It fell on it!

02:39:37.000 It had fires all in it!

02:39:40.000 Burning all day, nothing collapsed!

02:39:43.000 I've been there!

02:39:44.000 Have you been there?

02:39:45.000 The Banker's Trust building and other buildings like that, like the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building... No, no, no! 0.96

02:39:52.000 Banker's Trust is a modern, you know, It's a modern building, that is ridiculous! 0.73

02:39:58.000 Can I say something?

02:40:00.000 The first interstate bank building in Los Angeles is very similar in construction to the towers and the building 7.

02:40:06.000 In fact, most modern skyscrapers have a similar design to the twin towers in which they have a bundle of... It's a modern box rectangle!

02:40:13.000 They have a four column floor, they have interior columns, and they have trusses that support floors... Sir, you're living on another planet!

02:40:21.000 I told you to respond to what Silverstein said, I'm sorry, but I'm not living on another planet.

02:40:26.000 I have four years' experience as a firefighter in shipyards.

02:40:34.000 Firefighter engineering said that fire couldn't cause that and said there was a cover-up going on in their major issue that came out after 9-11.

02:40:42.000 Tell them about it, Hoffman.

02:40:47.000 Bill Manning in Fire Engineering Magazine was pointing out that they were destroying the evidence.

02:40:53.000 This is against the law.

02:40:54.000 Evidence of such disasters needs to be destroyed.

02:40:56.000 I mean, that issue... And they went on to say steel buildings have never done this.

02:41:00.000 Of course, this has never happened with steel frame buildings.

02:41:03.000 Certainly not steel frame high-rises.

02:41:07.000 The myth I think that I need to speak to here is this idea that somehow buildings 1, 2, and 7 were some kind of bizarre, strange architecture and that's just not true because most modern high-rises I have this design where most of the interior columns... Well, look, Banker's Trust was built, I believe, in the late 60s.

02:41:29.000 And I did a bunch of research for this film that's coming out on Banker's Trust.

02:41:33.000 Now, sir, are you just telling me... because I've been there.

02:41:36.000 I've been inside the Banker's Trust building.

02:41:37.000 I was just in New York.

02:41:38.000 Are you telling me that Banker's Trust is an old Empire States building or Chrysler building?

02:41:44.000 No. 1.00

02:41:45.000 What I'm telling you is... What you're telling me is you're an idiot. 1.00

02:41:47.000 What I'm telling you is that if you can't pump water, Into the standpipe system of the building, you can't fight the fire. 1.00

02:41:55.000 Sir, steel buildings do not collapse from black smoke fires.

02:42:00.000 Look, here's another thing.

02:42:01.000 They say the towers collapsed because it was so hot.

02:42:03.000 I got video of the people standing in the holes with the supposed hottest area.

02:42:08.000 Then the feds say that all the firefighter tapes malfunction.

02:42:12.000 The firefighters get mad, release it to New York Daily News.

02:42:15.000 In my film, I have their clips going.

02:42:17.000 This is ladder number 10.

02:42:19.000 The fires are almost completely out.

02:42:20.000 Call up more ladders.

02:42:22.000 I'm getting more people out of here.

02:42:23.000 Very small fires.

02:42:25.000 I just knocked them all down.

02:42:27.000 It's so ridiculous in the case of the South Tower because in the South Tower the fires had almost gone out when the building collapsed.

02:42:34.000 All there was was a thin veil of smoke coming up from where the fires were in the South Tower.

02:42:38.000 The fires never spread beyond You know what?

02:42:40.000 You know what?

02:42:41.000 Stop right there because I've got a bunch of callers I want to finish with Leon.

02:42:44.000 But you know what?

02:42:44.000 From the same documentary where they talk about how they then pulled, got rid of what was left of 4, 5, and 6.

02:42:51.000 The buildings were right in amongst the towers that didn't fall from real fires in them and buildings falling on them.

02:42:57.000 Let's just play the clip from the same documentary where the head of engineering for New York tells you what pull it means.

02:43:02.000 Please play the clip.

02:43:04.000 By mid-December, the Department of Design and Construction had leveled World Trade Center buildings 4 and 5.

02:43:10.000 Hello?

02:43:16.000 Oh, we're getting ready to pull building 6.

02:43:20.000 We had to be very careful how we demolished building 6.

02:43:23.000 We were worried about the building 6 coming down and then damaging the red story wall, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.

02:43:35.000 And actually, the clip goes on.

02:43:36.000 There's a longer clip on my website where then they go, getting ready to pull Belden 6.

02:43:41.000 Oh, that was a good pull.

02:43:43.000 It took it down well.

02:43:45.000 Now, I've got a last question for you, Leon, and I'm sorry to get mad at you.

02:43:50.000 Just this delusional thinking gets on my nerves.

02:43:53.000 Let's talk about the rest of the 9-11 story.

02:43:55.000 Why did NORAD stand down?

02:43:56.000 Why did public officials get warned?

02:43:58.000 I'm sure you've got some reasons for that, too, right?

02:44:01.000 Nope, I don't.

02:44:03.000 Except that if you ever call for close air support, you know that it don't always come on time.

02:44:09.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:44:09.000 It's just all these bases and everything in an hour and a half.

02:44:13.000 And then, why did the jet fly at 300 miles an hour?

02:44:17.000 I have no idea.

02:44:18.000 Because they were under orders.

02:44:19.000 Thank you for your call.

02:44:21.000 Jim, real quick, comments, because I want to go to more calls.

02:44:24.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:44:25.000 The point I wanted to make about the buildings, though, is that it's a myth that there was something about buildings 1, 2, and 7 that was different from earlier buildings.

02:44:33.000 There have been examples of severe fires in buildings with almost identical construction, like the first Interstate Bank building, which had a structure very similar to a 64-story skyscraper.

02:44:41.000 It had huge fires low in the building and had core columns and perimeter columns, just like the towers in building 7.

02:44:47.000 That's the most common design in modern skyscrapers.

02:44:50.000 And even if it did cause something to collapse, if magically suddenly the laws of science change and steel melts at a thousand degrees cooler than it does... It would explode into fine dust and shards of steel.

02:45:02.000 It would start sagging!

02:45:03.000 Yeah, it would cobble, it wouldn't, yeah.

02:45:05.000 No, no, it would just magically pulverize and pulverize.

02:45:10.000 Oh man, you can't argue with these people.

02:45:11.000 It's just unbelievable.

02:45:14.000 That's the kind of call I like though.

02:45:15.000 Leon, you want to come on and debate me sometime for a full hour, you just call and leave us your name and number, buddy.

02:45:21.000 And I'll get all my stuff together and I'll just clean the decks with you, pal.

02:45:26.000 Those people were murdered in there and I'm going to expose it.

02:45:28.000 You understand me?

02:45:29.000 This is serious business.

02:45:31.000 I'm not playing games.

02:45:32.000 Delusional thinking makes me sick.

02:45:34.000 I'm sorry if I sound mean, folks.

02:45:39.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Craig in Illinois.

02:45:42.000 Craig, go ahead.

02:45:43.000 Hey, Alex.

02:45:44.000 Thanks for having me on the show.

02:45:46.000 And, Jim, I'm glad to get a chance to talk to you.

02:45:48.000 I'd like to separate a little bit of fact from fiction, because where I come from, we have a steel mill here.

02:45:55.000 And this steel mill actually created some of the structure work for the two towers.

02:46:03.000 One of the men that worked on that is a friend of mine and he is or was the head metallurgist for the steel mill.

02:46:11.000 My father-in-law worked there for 45 years and my grandfather and they were also into welding and pouring the steel and I'll tell you one thing right now there is no way that those beams melted or anything else it was a controlled explosion the day that that happened My father-in law happened to be over here, having a cup of coffee with me.

02:46:37.000 We watched it on the Communist News Network.

02:46:39.000 The towers come down.

02:46:40.000 He got up.

02:46:41.000 He was so mad that he walked out of my house because he said, there's no way that could have happened.

02:46:46.000 And again, they know because it's hard to make steel, folks.

02:46:50.000 They have to blast air in and have the coke.

02:46:52.000 And it's an incredibly complex process, all specially done to just make steel.

02:46:58.000 And then to melt it's even harder.

02:46:59.000 Explain that to these dumbbells. 0.99

02:47:02.000 Um, I'll tell you what.

02:47:03.000 One thing about... I am not actually a steel man, but I'll tell you what, I'm a glass man.

02:47:07.000 And I'll tell you one thing that is always left out is that these steel columns were encased in concrete.

02:47:14.000 Now according to everything that I have seen... And they had asbestos on them.

02:47:17.000 Correct.

02:47:18.000 And they were three foot square.

02:47:20.000 Now I will tell you one thing.

02:47:22.000 Anybody that knows anything about any type of rock or glass knows what vitrification is.

02:47:28.000 Vitrification is high temps applied to rock and glass, which don't make them What should I say?

02:47:39.000 More fragile is what they do is they strengthen them.

02:47:42.000 Because in the old days, back in the medieval times and a thousand years before that, they used to strengthen their force by burning great huge fires to vitrify or completely change the solidification of the silica crystals so that it would create almost a solid glass wall which was impenetrable.

02:48:02.000 Incredible call, and I wasn't aware of that.

02:48:05.000 Thank you for the call, sir.

02:48:06.000 One thing I'd like to point out, though, is that steel isn't the same as glass or rock.

02:48:12.000 So when it heats up, it does start to lose strength.

02:48:14.000 But you have to heat it up to about 600 degrees Celsius before it even loses a significant fraction of its strength.

02:48:22.000 But the thing is, if it starts to cool down again, it regains its strength.

02:48:26.000 So in the case of the South Tower, when the fires were going out, you couldn't see any flames or anything, that steel had regained probably almost any strength it had lost while the jet fuel was still burning.

02:48:35.000 Now, the jet fuel burned off within five minutes, because the jet fuel... Has cool burning!

02:48:39.000 General, cool burning! 0.99

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02:52:31.000 Try to finish up what you were saying before the break.

02:52:34.000 Well, let's see, what was the... I can't remember what I was talking about.

02:52:36.000 Talking about the steel in the buildings.

02:52:37.000 Oh, just the fact that steel does lose strength at high temperatures.

02:52:41.000 One thing to point out about fires in steel-framed buildings is that there's, in the Twin Towers, there's 90,000 tons of concrete in these buildings.

02:52:48.000 And if you know the first thing about metals, you know that metal has a high thermal conductivity.

02:52:53.000 Take a blowtorch to a big piece of steel, and what happens?

02:52:56.000 It just wicks away the heat.

02:52:58.000 So even if the fires could get up to some whatever temperature, the steel would be well below those temperatures.

02:53:05.000 And-- Well, also, we had the people standing in the holes, the fire fire sand.

02:53:09.000 Yeah, and also, yeah, the fact-- well, see, the North-- another thing is that people confuse the North Tower The North Tower had some serious fires, but the South Tower, the fires had basically gone out by the time the building collapsed.

02:53:20.000 All there was was just a thin black smoke, the kind that you get when you snuff out a fire.

02:53:24.000 Black smoke means an oxygen-starved fire.

02:53:28.000 And there were firefighters in the 78th floor sky lobby of the North Tower saying, there's two pockets of fire, let's knock them out.

02:53:37.000 Yeah, we played the clips here.

02:53:38.000 Real fast callers, Dyedwood and California, go ahead. 0.65

02:53:42.000 Then others.

02:53:43.000 Real quick.

02:53:45.000 Interestingly, you guys haven't got to it, but Mohamed Aded's passport was miraculously found intact.

02:53:52.000 That's number one.

02:53:53.000 Oh yeah.

02:53:54.000 Now, Jim, what I wanted to ask you is, do you have any knowledge as to why these buildings were destroyed?

02:53:59.000 Now, I've heard that they were loaded, that they were... Well, that makes it even more dramatic!

02:54:06.000 Well, I think there's two issues here.

02:54:08.000 One is World Trade Center 7, and there's a number of reasons for that.

02:54:14.000 The CIA was based in there, the Securities Exchange Commission.

02:54:19.000 The S.E.C., which had all these records of ongoing investigations of companies like WorldCom.

02:54:24.000 But I think that the most important reason these buildings were destroyed was to provide a psychological shock, to shock people.

02:54:32.000 Yeah, it's a three-part series.

02:54:34.000 One plane hits, all cameras aim, next plane hits, and then continual fireworks to keep it going all day long.

02:54:40.000 Every 20 minutes there's another shock, and I think the whole... Why don't they tell us, give up your rights every 10 seconds?

02:54:45.000 And I think the whole attack was engineered to play in people's minds like a horror movie and to trigger their suspensions of disbelief.

02:54:52.000 Exactly.

02:54:52.000 We've got to take some final calls here.

02:54:54.000 You're absolutely right.

02:54:56.000 Who's up next?

02:54:57.000 Clay in Texas.

02:54:58.000 Go ahead.

02:54:58.000 Hurry.

02:54:59.000 Alright.

02:55:00.000 Thanks.

02:55:01.000 I want to just say thanks for your show.

02:55:03.000 My friend Carl that lives in Austin turned me on to you.

02:55:07.000 The 9-11 thing.

02:55:09.000 My birthday's on 9-11.

02:55:10.000 I saw that whole thing happen.

02:55:12.000 And I'm with you guys.

02:55:13.000 Keep going.

02:55:14.000 I hope you expose this thing.

02:55:16.000 The only question I have for you, in order to bring down that building in a controlled explosion, wouldn't they have to have been planning the charges in that building and the wiring and everything?

02:55:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:55:30.000 It takes a bare minimum of weeks.

02:55:31.000 Thank you.

02:55:32.000 John in Oklahoma.

02:55:33.000 You're our tail gunner.

02:55:34.000 Go ahead.

02:55:34.000 Hey, Alex.

02:55:35.000 This is John again.

02:55:36.000 Hey, the ATC system is designed to keep airplanes from running into things.

02:55:41.000 Simply.

02:55:41.000 That's their job.

02:55:42.000 If an airplane gets out of the system somehow or another, they will scramble and do it.

02:55:48.000 Hangster is a prime example of what will happen.

02:55:50.000 They went up, looked to see what was up there, and just waited to see what the airplane was doing.

02:55:54.000 It finally ran out of fuel, the autopilot kicked off, and crashed.

02:55:58.000 That's it.

02:55:59.000 The Aircraft Control System is designed to keep airplanes from running into things.

02:56:05.000 That's it.

02:56:06.000 All right, Jim, you've got 20 seconds.

02:56:08.000 Oh, yeah, let's see.

02:56:11.000 Yeah, so we have these whole systems in place, the air traffic control system, NORAD, and everything, and they were all designed to prevent exactly what happened.

02:56:18.000 Let's see, what was the comment before?

02:56:20.000 There was something I wanted to say on... Jim, what we're going to do is have you back up with us, and I appreciate you coming on.

02:56:27.000 Okay, well, thank you.

02:56:28.000 It's been great.

02:56:29.000 God bless.

02:56:29.000 We'll be back tonight, 9 at midnight, back tomorrow at 11 to 2.

02:56:32.000 Be sure and join us.

Alex Jones Show - February 10, 2005

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