Alex Jones Show - 20051024_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friend, Ian.

00:00:38.000 It is Monday, the 24th day of October 2005.

00:00:43.000 We're going to be live here for the next three hours and scrap yourselves in. 1.00

00:00:47.000 We're going to have Scott Ritter on the broadcast with a bunch of new developments and talking about his new book that's coming out.

00:00:55.000 He was the Marine U.S.

00:00:58.000 envoy assigned over there with the U.N.

00:01:01.000 weapons inspectors that said there's no WMDs over here.

00:01:05.000 And so they tried to put him to the meat grinder, but he certainly has been vindicated.

00:01:10.000 So Scott Ritter will be joining us.

00:01:13.000 And Janice Karpinski, the general who they tried to scapegoat for the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, When those entire wings of the prison where the torture was going on was under CIA control, she wasn't even allowed into those areas.

00:01:32.000 They tried to scapegoat her. 1.00

00:01:34.000 We've talked a lot about this.

00:01:36.000 Because by scapegoating someone who's innocent, then when the trail runs dry, when they investigate her, then they can say, see?

00:01:44.000 She wasn't involved in torture.

00:01:46.000 Well, no kidding!

00:01:48.000 So this is another one of the little scams they run, and we'll be talking to the General who is really blowing the whistle with some huge revelations a little bit later in the broadcast.

00:02:04.000 So both of those guests joining us today, we're also going to have wide open phones, take some calls in this hour and throughout all three hours, 1-800-259-9231, and here's the deal.

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00:03:01.000 Hurricane Wilma, public advisory, starting to slam into the southern tip of Florida and the Florida Keys after it ravaged areas of the Yucatan Peninsula.

00:03:15.000 They eventually got a martial law down there to quote, deal with looting.

00:03:20.000 And now Hurricane Wilma with about 125 mile an hour winds is slamming into Florida and it's pretty serious.

00:03:29.000 But not as bad as it could have been when this sucker went into Category 6 status uh... back on last thursday over a hundred and seventy five miles per hour that the it doesn't go into level six but they're now saying that's what it really hit the scale only goes to five.

00:03:50.000 Bushy's feeling the boss's wrath.

00:03:53.000 This is out of the New York Daily News.

00:03:56.000 We've known this for several years.

00:03:59.000 Bush goes into convulsive rages, throwing things, beating on the ground, beating his fist on the ground.

00:04:07.000 Clinton and Hillary did this too, that is confirmed.

00:04:10.000 Actual carpet chewing, things we only saw folks like Hitler coming out of Hillary. 0.79

00:04:16.000 Actual carpet chewing, ladies and gentlemen. 0.94

00:04:19.000 They're so self-centered they don't get their way, they go into convulsive freak outs.

00:04:23.000 And, uh, Capitol Hill Blue reported on Lord Clinton doing that.

00:04:26.000 It also reported on Bush doing it.

00:04:28.000 They've always been very accurate.

00:04:30.000 Other publications with sources in Washington, inside the White House, said the same thing.

00:04:35.000 Now, here it is in, uh, the New York Daily News, a watered-down version of it, but Lord Bush throwing pits.

00:04:42.000 Uh, also, lawyers in CIA leak case say charges possible this week without avoiders.

00:04:48.000 Hank Holter says get rid of the First Amendment.

00:04:50.000 I'm not kidding.

00:04:51.000 And, uh, so much more massive broadcast lined up for you today.

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00:08:00.000 Big Brother.

00:08:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:22.000 Welcome all our listeners across the United States listening on AM, FM, shortwave, satellite, internet.

00:08:29.000 Welcome!

00:08:31.000 To our wonderful listeners across the globe listening on the shortwave and the internet.

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00:08:38.000 Listening via the global shortwave and even the internet now.

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00:08:55.000 And of course all the great listeners in Japan, China, Mexico, the United States, Germany, England, you name it, I am honored, I am humbled, I am thankful to be your host.

00:09:08.000 And then of course the good old home crowd right here in Austin, Texas.

00:09:15.000 All of you listening, thank you so much for tuning in.

00:09:18.000 For those that are joining us for the first time, that are driving along in their car or ...are tuning in via the internet because somebody sent you an email and said listen to this show and so you're having your little 30 minute lunch in your office cubicle in New York City right now and you're biting into your tuna fish sandwich listening and you're wondering what is this broadcast, what is this show all about?

00:09:41.000 It's about freedom!

00:09:43.000 You'll hear me bash Hillary. 1.00

00:09:44.000 You'll hear me savage Bush.

00:09:46.000 You'll hear me go after Michael Weiner and Ann Coulter and in the same breath attack Air America as corporate false left paradigm bilge.

00:09:57.000 Who is this guy?

00:09:58.000 We can't put a label on him.

00:10:01.000 Until a hundred years ago, left-right didn't exist.

00:10:08.000 And the big corporations, the big banks came in and paid off the political scientists, paid off the universities, funded the endowments and the chairs that are set up in the universities.

00:10:24.000 To promote a false left-right paradigm and to push a centralization of government.

00:10:30.000 In the past, it was freedom versus slavery.

00:10:34.000 So I look at what a politician is actually doing, not what they're saying.

00:10:40.000 I look at a policy and I say, does that give me and my family more liberty or less freedom?

00:10:47.000 Does that follow the Constitution, or does that violate the Constitution?

00:10:52.000 We really do what Ron Paul does, the Congressman, with the most conservative voting record in modern history.

00:10:58.000 He simply, it's very easy, he shows a legislation, he simply reads it, and if it violates the Constitution or Bill of Rights, even if he likes it, he will vote against it.

00:11:10.000 And if they give him 30 minutes to read a 800-page bill, and folks, they've given him multi-thousand page bills, I mean, they do that all the time.

00:11:19.000 They say, vote on it, you've got five minutes.

00:11:21.000 It's a 400-and-something page bill, but we're voting in five minutes.

00:11:25.000 He says, sorry, I might even be for what's in there, but I've got to be able to read it.

00:11:30.000 And he's tried to get a law passed, along with many others, to pass a law where congressmen have to read their bills, but instead, Corporations basically own staffers like they own real estate and they just write whatever they want.

00:11:44.000 Thousands and thousands of new federal laws every year.

00:11:48.000 Tens of thousands of new state laws every year.

00:11:50.000 Hundreds of thousands of city and county laws.

00:11:53.000 Laws, laws everywhere.

00:11:55.000 You know, they say ignorance of the law is no defense.

00:11:58.000 NAFTA took several wheelbarrows to carry.

00:12:04.000 NAFTA was Literally tens and tens and tens of thousands of pages long.

00:12:11.000 Just the synopsis was 14,000 pages if memory serves.

00:12:19.000 The synopsis, yes ladies and gentlemen.

00:12:24.000 We defend the Second Amendment.

00:12:26.000 We defend the border.

00:12:27.000 We defend the sovereignty.

00:12:29.000 We defend the family.

00:12:30.000 We defend everything that is decent and honorable.

00:12:34.000 We stand up against the people, shutting up a world government.

00:12:39.000 And they openly announce every day on TV and radio and in the newspaper, world government's here!

00:12:45.000 Five, ten years ago, you talked about world government, you were a kook. 0.99

00:12:48.000 Now, they admit world government and they say, oh, but it'll be a loving, liberal, UN-run world government or an evil, American, neocon world government.

00:12:57.000 See, that's the scam.

00:12:58.000 That's the real illusion.

00:13:01.000 Is that they know now that the people are rebelling against one world government.

00:13:04.000 So they give you a choice.

00:13:05.000 Okay, you can have the loving UN who's against attacking Iraq.

00:13:09.000 Or you can have the evil, hateful, right-wing American world government.

00:13:13.000 When the world government's owned by the same financial interests, they give you a false choice.

00:13:18.000 They control the paradigm.

00:13:19.000 It's paradigm management.

00:13:21.000 And I repeat this because so many activists, so many intellectuals, so many conservatives, so many liberals or progressives You cannot get outside of this box.

00:13:33.000 It is a false paradigm.

00:13:35.000 It was given to you.

00:13:37.000 It did not exist until a hundred years ago.

00:13:39.000 A hundred and five years ago, roughly.

00:13:41.000 Outside of a male-female connotation.

00:13:44.000 Of left or right.

00:13:45.000 Left being female, right being male. 0.97

00:13:47.000 That's it!

00:13:49.000 And so you're like a computer.

00:13:51.000 They gave you a political virus so you couldn't compute.

00:13:55.000 And you just keep shutting down real political debate.

00:13:58.000 So I started another broadcast with that because it is so important.

00:14:04.000 Alright, coming up, Bilderberg's Rumsfeld profit from avian flu scam.

00:14:09.000 Now we already knew this, but And Dr. Horowitz talked about it last week, but there's just massive evidence of this.

00:14:15.000 Rumsfeld, particularly, with the drug company he is a major stockholder in, is scheduled to make four to seven million dollars.

00:14:23.000 No one's sure.

00:14:23.000 Depends on how big the run on the flu pill is.

00:14:30.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:14:32.000 Also, Colonel quits as fears grow for safety of his men, London Telegraph.

00:14:36.000 You know, you've been told that they've really got armored vehicles.

00:14:40.000 They've got lots of neocon congressmen on TV and radio telling you they do.

00:14:45.000 They do not.

00:14:47.000 And so if the troops are going to be there, they might as well have it.

00:14:49.000 And a lot has been made.

00:14:51.000 Colonel Roberts last week pointed it out on this broadcast that they have got tens of thousands of armored vehicles and mothballs all over this country.

00:15:02.000 And they're just not going to give them to the troops.

00:15:04.000 It's really that simple.

00:15:06.000 And I know I'm anti-military because I want them to have the right tools.

00:15:09.000 I'm evil, I understand that.

00:15:10.000 Questioning anything the government does for a still, zealous, bush-worshipping minority is equivalent to heresy. 1.00

00:15:20.000 An amazing article I do want to spend some time on, Case for WTC Tower Demolition, sealed by Griffin.

00:15:29.000 And it says, in two speeches to overflow crowds in New York City last weekend, notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC7 were destroyed by controlled demolition explosives.

00:15:44.000 This is from all the new firefighter tapes that are just ironclad.

00:15:50.000 Along with the other plethora, constellation of evidence.

00:15:55.000 Galaxy of evidence.

00:15:58.000 Surprise, surprise, violations found in FBI surveillance records, Washington Post.

00:16:05.000 Turns out without warrants, without anything, they're just spying on citizens, whoever they want, non-terror related cases.

00:16:11.000 And folks, that's only the tip of the iceberg.

00:16:12.000 That's when they decide to use evidence that they've gained illegally in a trial.

00:16:18.000 You might then hear about it if that then gets reported to the press.

00:16:22.000 So, they talk about all these thousands of cases of this, but that's not even, that's just the grazing surface.

00:16:33.000 Harper's Magazine, how to live in a fascist state?

00:16:37.000 Big publications like Harper's are coming out now explaining how to live in the new America, the new fascist state.

00:16:41.000 I mean, we really are entering that.

00:16:46.000 And, you know, fascism, again, has this connotation of being on the right.

00:16:51.000 Well, how is Hitler a National Socialist of Fascists?

00:16:55.000 You see, this is how they confuse the terms.

00:16:57.000 But fascism has more reality in its confines than some of the other terms that are used.

00:17:07.000 And what is fascism?

00:17:09.000 It is where a government Basically, uses its power to go centralize control over the economy, and then gives that control to select corporations.

00:17:22.000 And socialism, the communists always told us, led to finally communism.

00:17:30.000 Socialism has never led to communism.

00:17:33.000 Communism literally does not exist other than colonies of ants and bees and other communal hive insectoid organisms.

00:17:46.000 It does not exist in human societies.

00:17:48.000 Within a few minutes, you're going to see anarchy fall apart and then go into strongmen and warlords.

00:18:01.000 It does not exist.

00:18:03.000 So they always told us, oh, you know, socialism will lead into the wondrous world of communism.

00:18:08.000 But in every case, China, Russia, Cuba, everywhere.

00:18:13.000 And this is why the bankers and David Rockefeller openly funded it by editorials in the New York Times explaining why they funded communism.

00:18:20.000 I mean, people think McCarthy just made this stuff up.

00:18:22.000 David Rockefeller brags how they funded it.

00:18:25.000 They brag how they put Mao in.

00:18:27.000 Because they would centralize control.

00:18:29.000 So yes, you go into socialism and communism, it consolidates wealth, then once you get everybody dependent, you give the entire mechanisms of government and the control over labor and everything, and the private property that was expropriated to begin with, to select global robber barons that are above the nation states and form the global government.

00:18:51.000 And really, it's imperialism.

00:18:54.000 So forget the term fascism.

00:18:56.000 We're dealing with imperialism.

00:18:58.000 And the imperialists can use a democracy.

00:19:00.000 They can use a democracy and propaganda to promise 51% goodies if they sell out the other 49%.

00:19:08.000 Then once they've used that democracy to shut up that big centralized government, the government then abolishes the welfare and transfers all of its holdings to the private corporations that put it into power.

00:19:19.000 Then you end up, again, with the corporate structure.

00:19:24.000 Remember, Mussolini said we shouldn't call it fascism, it's corporatism.

00:19:28.000 And he's absolutely right.

00:19:30.000 And that's why Jiang Zemin in 99, 50 years of Mao in Tiananmen Square said, Capitalism is the ultimate expression of communism.

00:19:40.000 And people did a double take and said, what?

00:19:43.000 And see, even the liberal trendies won't listen to what he said.

00:19:47.000 They'll call in here and we'll argue with them.

00:19:49.000 Conservatives are listening, going, what?

00:19:51.000 Capitalism is the ultimate expression of communism?

00:19:54.000 Yes!

00:19:55.000 They are identical, ladies and gentlemen.

00:19:58.000 We'll be right back.

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00:24:20.000 They had to deal with the Renaissance that grew into the Industrial Revolution that was displacing them.

00:24:25.000 They were losing their monopolies.

00:24:27.000 So they just financed a bunch of communist thugs all over the world, and fascist thugs in other areas, openly funding them.

00:24:33.000 And this is mainstream history that you're not supposed to talk about.

00:24:36.000 I mean, this is in the actual, you know, history books.

00:24:41.000 And they went in, they take over, they call it communism, we're going to take your property, we're going to take your land, and then a few years later they start consolidating and handing it over to select global corporations, who are outside the country's control, but use that slave labor to then take those products and leverage out their competition in free countries, thus attacking the bankers' ancient enemy, the middle class, the independent free peoples.

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00:25:30.000 We were kooks to say that 20 years ago.

00:25:32.000 Now it's openly admitted.

00:25:34.000 Now it's openly taught.

00:25:35.000 Oh, we thought Mao would be a better stabilizing effect.

00:25:38.000 We thought he'd give us a better economy and a better people.

00:25:41.000 That's what the CIA section chief five years ago said on the History Channel as I watched it.

00:25:46.000 And we already knew that, but there he was admitting it.

00:25:49.000 Somebody that killed at least 50 million people.

00:25:52.000 Mao was good, and then David Rockefeller.

00:25:54.000 Comes out in the New York Times when Mao dies and says, oh, he did such a great job.

00:25:59.000 Oh, he was so good.

00:26:00.000 Such a stabilizing effect.

00:26:02.000 Again, the same M.O.

00:26:04.000 The centralizing effect, you mean.

00:26:07.000 We're going to go to Jeff in New Mexico who disagrees with something I've said.

00:26:10.000 And then we're going to play a little clip here about the hurricane.

00:26:13.000 And then I'm going to get off into just a ton of news after we take some more calls in the next segment.

00:26:18.000 Believe me, there's a lot coming up.

00:26:20.000 And we also have the general who was They're over the entire Abu Ghraib prison and other prisons in Iraq.

00:26:28.000 And we're also going to have Scott Ritter on, so you don't want to miss that.

00:26:31.000 weapons inspector.

00:26:31.000 The U.N.

00:26:32.000 A lot of new developments there.

00:26:33.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip now.

00:26:35.000 The latest with Wilma that has now slowed down to 105 miles an hour from 125 earlier this morning.

00:26:42.000 Now crossing over southern Florida.

00:26:45.000 Here it is.

00:26:46.000 Hurricane Wilma continues to move across South Florida after making landfall earlier this morning near Cape Romano.

00:26:51.000 Wilma's been downgraded to a Category 2 storm with winds nearing 105 miles an hour.

00:26:56.000 This resident of Naples, Florida describes what he sees in the aftermath.

00:27:01.000 The tree's uprooted, and I don't know, a lot of damage.

00:27:04.000 It's pretty bad.

00:27:05.000 Hurricane expected to weaken as it tracks off the southern Florida peninsula later today.

00:27:10.000 Oh, it's scary.

00:27:11.000 All the walls are shaking, and doors popping open, and it's very scary.

00:27:16.000 The Dow's up 95 points.

00:27:19.000 This is USA Radio Network News.

00:27:22.000 And that's just in the last few minutes, folks.

00:27:25.000 So that's the latest there on that.

00:27:27.000 Let's go to Jeff in New Mexico.

00:27:28.000 I don't know what he disagrees about, but we'll find out.

00:27:31.000 Go ahead, Jeff.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, Alex, I think on one of your shows one day you said that you're for this laissez-faire theory.

00:27:42.000 No, I didn't say that, but whatever turns your fancy.

00:27:47.000 I thought you said something about, you know, if somebody buys something from you, Even if it's not a good product, that you're not against that kind of treatment of other people, taking advantage of each other.

00:28:01.000 No, I never said that, but, you know, you can say whatever you like.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, well, anyway, the Bible, you know, there's this, talks about the year of Jubilee, Leviticus 25, chapter 25, and even if you, if you become poor and sell your land, You can get that land back later.

00:28:22.000 You can read that in Leviticus.

00:28:25.000 And since we're not under the year of Jubilee in the United States, we have the tax.

00:28:32.000 I don't know what your opinion is on the... Why would you claim something that I obviously never said?

00:28:37.000 Imagine me on air going, I'm for ripping people off and taking advantage of them and getting away with it.

00:28:44.000 I mean, everybody knows I didn't say that.

00:28:45.000 You know I didn't say that.

00:28:47.000 That's not a very, hold on, that's not a very... I'd say a very sportsman-like way to debate me is make stuff up.

00:28:56.000 Well, what's your opinion on the inheritance tax then?

00:29:00.000 Oh, I've said I'm against the inheritance tax.

00:29:03.000 Okay, well I... I'm against big taxes and taxes and...

00:29:07.000 I believe in very, very low taxes and constitutional taxes.

00:29:11.000 Because we don't have the year of Jubilee, you seem to be Christian and go by the Bible. 0.94

00:29:16.000 We don't have that, so we need inheritance tax.

00:29:19.000 Otherwise, certain people are going to get richer and richer, you know.

00:29:24.000 Look, they already have it in tax-free foundations, Bubba.

00:29:27.000 They already don't pay taxes.

00:29:29.000 But they've got trust.

00:29:32.000 Trust that are selectively left alone.

00:29:35.000 Well, I appreciate your call, sir.

00:29:36.000 I really do.

00:29:37.000 Uh, you know, sometimes I get calls like those.

00:29:40.000 And, you know, that's a tactic. 0.92

00:29:42.000 Why, you say you're for chopping people's heads off and eating their noses. 0.89

00:29:46.000 Well, no, I never said that. 0.84

00:29:47.000 But, I mean, how do you defend against something you didn't say?

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

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00:33:05.000 This show is documented.

00:33:07.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:33:10.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

00:33:14.000 I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.

00:33:19.000 And it burns, burns, burns.

00:33:20.000 You know, I got a whole bunch of cash that I want to put into the rotation of my bumper music.

00:33:27.000 And it burns, burns, burns.

00:33:29.000 The taste of love is sweet when hearts like ours meet.

00:33:33.000 I can't wait to go see that new Johnny Cash movie.

00:33:37.000 And I like the actor that's going to play Johnny Cash.

00:33:39.000 I just love Johnny Cash.

00:33:41.000 And I've always loved Johnny Cash since I was about two years old.

00:33:44.000 And I heard some punk a few months ago on the radio.

00:33:48.000 Some Patriot talk show host talking bad about Johnny Cash.

00:33:52.000 Don't you have better things to do?

00:33:54.000 Alright, I'm really out of control now.

00:33:59.000 I'd rather just drive around on a motorboat, folks, listening to Johnny Cash.

00:34:02.000 I really want to know.

00:34:04.000 In fact, I'd rather be sitting in a fancy dining car, drinking coffee and smoking big cigars.

00:34:11.000 Alright, I'm sorry.

00:34:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:34:14.000 I'm going crazy on air.

00:34:16.000 It's true!

00:34:18.000 Alright.

00:34:19.000 No, I just like Johnny Cash.

00:34:22.000 I saw a trailer online for the new Johnny Cash movie last night.

00:34:25.000 It looks really good.

00:34:26.000 It's made me sad Johnny Cash is dead.

00:34:28.000 You know, I had a chance to... You know he's Jimmy Swaggart's cousin?

00:34:33.000 What, first cousin?

00:34:35.000 But I had a chance to see Johnny Cash a couple times live here in Austin.

00:34:40.000 Once about ten years ago, and then once about five years ago, one of the last times he played anywhere, before he died a few years ago.

00:34:49.000 And see, now I've spent a minute and a half talking about Johnny Cash.

00:34:52.000 And that's really not very good, folks.

00:34:55.000 That's bordering on talking about sports for ten hours.

00:35:00.000 And yes, I wanted to watch part of the World Series last night.

00:35:03.000 I wanted to watch the The Astros and the White Sox, but I didn't!

00:35:09.000 Do you know what I was doing last night until the wee hours of the morning?

00:35:17.000 I finished it!

00:35:19.000 We added about five minutes.

00:35:21.000 You heard the promo running on the local stations.

00:35:22.000 I said it's a 43-minute film.

00:35:24.000 It's not true.

00:35:26.000 It's a 45-plus minute film now.

00:35:30.000 And it is the Order of Death, and I'm very proud of it.

00:35:33.000 What you've seen online, we put out a few weeks ago.

00:35:35.000 It doesn't hold a candle to what we've done.

00:35:38.000 I've added about five minutes.

00:35:41.000 And really souped it up and added more images and more video.

00:35:46.000 And it covers skull and bones, tie-ins to Bohemian Grove.

00:35:49.000 It covers the New Age occult groups and how they're being manipulated.

00:35:53.000 It gets into just the occultism that permeates our society, the corporate symbols.

00:35:59.000 And it's not even available yet.

00:36:01.000 Not on DVD, not on VHS, it'll be in a few weeks.

00:36:04.000 And last night I completed cutting down, I cut it down even more.

00:36:08.000 What people saw at the Alamo Draft House, less is more folks.

00:36:12.000 A few weeks ago when I had two sellout showings, overflow crowd showings, there at the Alamo Draft House, That had been cut from 2 hours and 5 minutes to an hour and 45 minutes.

00:36:26.000 I have cut it down to exactly an hour and a half.

00:36:32.000 Image stabilized a lot of the video.

00:36:34.000 Color corrected it.

00:36:35.000 You know, the hidden camera really souped it up.

00:36:37.000 Because we've got new computers now that can really clean up the image and really bring out the ritual and really zoom in to point blank range.

00:36:46.000 Just so much new stuff.

00:36:48.000 Up close video of the effigy, the human body, the image of a child there burning.

00:36:55.000 We've got this new fella that worked there for two years and gave us all this video.

00:37:00.000 Wait till you see it.

00:37:01.000 We put some of that into the original Bohemian Grove film.

00:37:05.000 And so we're going to have one final showing.

00:37:08.000 You know, they asked me to do it.

00:37:09.000 I had the theater manager, the Alamo Draft House South Lamar, their new beautiful theater with the big giant theaters with the huge stadium seatings and waiters and waitresses right there at your table, folks.

00:37:20.000 It's really nice.

00:37:23.000 And they said, please, one more showing, one more showing.

00:37:26.000 I'm busy.

00:37:28.000 I'm trying to finish this other film without going to England and what happened at Crawford and a bunch of other stuff, a bunch of other footage.

00:37:34.000 We've got an amazing video.

00:37:36.000 The problem is I've got so much video.

00:37:37.000 I'm trying to make this like a 90 minute film and it's just crazy.

00:37:43.000 I am having one more showing and that is going to be this Thursday.

00:37:49.000 This Thursday, Alamo Draft House, South Lamar.

00:37:54.000 And in the past, we've had six showings of Martial Law.

00:37:58.000 All of them sold out days in advance.

00:38:01.000 The last two showings sold out days in advance.

00:38:03.000 So I haven't really promoted this one.

00:38:05.000 And so there are a ton of tickets left.

00:38:09.000 In fact, the way it's selling, there will probably even be some tickets left.

00:38:12.000 Maybe.

00:38:12.000 Probably.

00:38:12.000 I doubt it.

00:38:13.000 I don't know.

00:38:14.000 The day of the event.

00:38:15.000 But I wouldn't do that.

00:38:18.000 I wouldn't wait.

00:38:19.000 It's a great event.

00:38:20.000 You get to see all the great people that love freedom.

00:38:22.000 We all get to get together.

00:38:23.000 I'll be there with my books and videos and t-shirts.

00:38:25.000 Signing them if you so desire.

00:38:28.000 And I'll give a speech.

00:38:30.000 And I'll also take a question and answer.

00:38:32.000 So we're going to show the Order of Death.

00:38:35.000 And nobody's going to see this until... I mean, you'll be the first to see it other than myself and Rob Jacobson that I've been editing this with.

00:38:42.000 Doing a great job.

00:38:44.000 and then we'll show the Bohemian Grove Dark Secrets that we finished last night and uh... thirty five minutes of the Dark Secrets has been cut out but if you want the original that I'm only going to be offering for another two weeks or so a two hour five minute Dark Secrets inside Bohemian Grove it's only available on VHS and uh... when it's gone it's gone

00:39:13.000 When the new DVD comes out, it's going to have Order of Death and Dark Secrets on it, the new Order of Death, the new version of Bohemian Grove, I will never offer again the original Bohemian Grove video.

00:39:26.000 So, get the new one.

00:39:29.000 Get the new one now, my friends.

00:39:32.000 Get it.

00:39:35.000 I'll get the old one now while you still can before the new one comes out.

00:39:39.000 And go to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com to order via the Safe, Secure Online Shopping Cart at the original Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.

00:39:49.000 And I'm signing, which gives us a lot of collector's value, I'm signing every one that goes out in the next two weeks until we stop offering.

00:39:58.000 I'm signing the spine of the VHS videotape of everyone that goes out.

00:40:04.000 And I'm kind of sentimental about it.

00:40:05.000 I'm sorry I've already shot my mouth off and said I'm not going to offer it anymore, but I'm not.

00:40:10.000 It's like 9-11 emergency release.

00:40:12.000 That I made in like a week, two weeks after 9-11.

00:40:12.000 Remember that?

00:40:17.000 It was a two hour video and people said, man, that's a great video.

00:40:20.000 Keep offering it.

00:40:21.000 No, I've never offered it.

00:40:23.000 You know, it's on PrisonPlanet.tv for PrisonPlanet.tv members.

00:40:26.000 It's there on the internet, but not in hard copy format.

00:40:32.000 Again, if you want Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, the original collector's edition, signed, go to InfoWars.com.

00:40:41.000 That's InfoWars.com or PrisonPlanet.com.

00:40:45.000 Order via the safe, secure, online shopping cart.

00:40:48.000 Or write to me, Alex Jones, at 3001 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

00:40:57.000 Or you can simply go to prisonplanet.tv and see it online right there on the site, www.presentplanet.tv.

00:41:04.000 As you can see, all the films, my weekly TV reports, all my best audio interviews, special video reports that are only on the website, you name it, PrisonPlanet.tv or call toll free 1-888-253-3139.

00:41:19.000 And the original film, of course, can live on by all you great listeners out there making copies of it.

00:41:29.000 So you can still get the original film and get it and make copies and get it out to everybody, your friends and family.

00:41:34.000 It's having a massive effect.

00:41:36.000 Please continue to air it on local cable systems around the country, on AXS TV.

00:41:40.000 Please continue to show it at your churches.

00:41:43.000 And also you can get Martial Law, my new film, the miniseries, the tailing 9-11, the police state, the Nazi death cults.

00:41:49.000 You've got to get American Dictators. 0.94

00:41:52.000 And I haven't plugged this.

00:41:55.000 I really haven't plugged this.

00:41:56.000 We've got a bunch of new specials.

00:41:58.000 Three DVDs, American Dictators, Martial Law, and Road to Tyranny.

00:42:04.000 All three of those films for $44.95.

00:42:09.000 I mean, that is just a huge discount, folks.

00:42:16.000 Think about it.

00:42:17.000 For normally $25.95, you get three of those for $45 right now.

00:42:19.000 You get three of those for $45 right now.

00:42:22.000 To be precise, $44.95.

00:42:25.000 That's a psychological trick.

00:42:28.000 I like to point that out.

00:42:30.000 Notice that's marketing.

00:42:31.000 I've always had round numbers just to illustrate that.

00:42:34.000 But you know what?

00:42:35.000 If it'll make people buy it and get the word out and defeat the New World Order, fine.

00:42:38.000 It's $44.95.

00:42:40.000 See, that's an example of semantical manipulation, folks.

00:42:44.000 That if something's a cent or five cents less, oh, it's less!

00:42:49.000 It's $44.

00:42:49.000 It's not $45.

00:42:53.000 But the point is, $45, three of those, I've got the Everything Special where you get everything I've made.

00:42:58.000 I think it's like a third off or something ridiculous.

00:43:01.000 I don't have all the prices in front of me.

00:43:03.000 Just go to Infowars.com or call the toll free number and there's like six or seven new specials.

00:43:08.000 I mean, all the old specials are still up there, but these new specials will only be to the first of the year.

00:43:14.000 Guarantee it.

00:43:15.000 1-888-253-3139 if you want to call about those specials too.

00:43:22.000 Alright, that's enough.

00:43:23.000 Let's play this little clip to analyze the CNN piece about impending indictments in the White House and what will happen.

00:43:30.000 Now let's go ahead and roll that CNN piece.

00:43:33.000 President Bush insists background noise about the CIA leak investigation isn't keeping him from doing his job.

00:43:43.000 A lot of speculation.

00:43:46.000 That noise could get much louder this week.

00:43:48.000 The grand jury's term expires Friday, and inside the White House there is anxiety over whether the president's top political advisor, Karl Rove, the vice president's chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby, or any other key official will be indicted.

00:44:03.000 Friday, special prosecutor Patrick Daryl launched a website which included a Justice Department letter confirming the parameters of his investigation.

00:44:11.000 A list that includes perjury and obstruction of justice.

00:44:15.000 I think that's an ominous development for those people who have been targeted by the grand jury.

00:44:19.000 You don't open up a website if you're ready to shut down an investigation.

00:44:23.000 At the same time, the President is facing a host of challenges on other fronts.

00:44:28.000 In two weeks, his Supreme Court nominee, Harriet Meyers, goes before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

00:44:33.000 Some conservatives have blasted Meyers as unqualified and want her nomination pulled.

00:44:39.000 I feel the President's nominated her.

00:44:41.000 He said that he's not going to withdraw her.

00:44:43.000 I take him at his word.

00:44:45.000 And it makes the hearing the most important thing.

00:44:48.000 Add to the White House difficulties the approach of a grim milestone in the Iraq war.

00:44:53.000 The number of Americans who died is nearing 2,000.

00:44:56.000 And polls show waning public support for the President's Iraq policy.

00:45:01.000 Alright.

00:45:03.000 So there you have the basic demonization now of Bush and this big Eat, drink and be merry, revelry, oh we're slaying the dragon, the evil political monster.

00:45:15.000 They're a client group of technicians in there to do a job. 0.62

00:45:19.000 This is an imperial tactic to then walk all over them, use them as a doormat, act like the entire agenda that the people hate was their fault.

00:45:32.000 Then they get in trouble, they're publicly shamed, they fall on their swords, And the establishment's agenda just moves forward.

00:45:43.000 I mean, let's talk about reversals of the policies.

00:45:45.000 You know, if Bush is so unpopular, but no, the very people out demonizing Bush, even the Democrats, well, you have to stay the course in Iraq, well, you have to maybe go into Syria and Iran.

00:45:54.000 I mean, Hillary sounds like she's right of Bush now, positioning herself in the false paradigm for the run that's coming up here in about three years. 0.99

00:46:05.000 The election will start in two.

00:46:07.000 You know, the warm-up for that is two years away, folks.

00:46:11.000 We'll be right in the middle of the election in two years.

00:46:15.000 It's just all about keeping us in our two camps to switch off the thinking process.

00:46:20.000 To make sure we've all got our Republican or Democratic caps on.

00:46:24.000 And, by the way, if you die in the combat zone, it counts.

00:46:28.000 That's... We've had 2,000 die in the combat zone.

00:46:31.000 It was well over 8,000 a year ago.

00:46:33.000 I mean, mainstream numbers that have come out.

00:46:35.000 People that died being evac'd out, died on the helicopter, died of complications from their wounds.

00:46:41.000 That doesn't count!

00:46:42.000 And I haven't seen the numbers in the last few months, but it's over 8,000 and what is it, like 16,000 injured?

00:46:49.000 I mean, we're not talking about little scratches.

00:46:49.000 Severely.

00:46:51.000 We mean 16,000 plus purple hearts have been handed out.

00:46:56.000 Arms, legs blown off.

00:46:57.000 Folks, I'm in Circuit City.

00:47:00.000 I'm in CompUSA.

00:47:02.000 I'm in Business stores.

00:47:06.000 I'm in Target, and I see these guys working.

00:47:08.000 They've still got the little shaved heads, and both their legs are blown off, or an arm's blown off.

00:47:13.000 I've seen a guy with an arm and a leg blown off, and I've actually walked over and talked to him.

00:47:17.000 Did you just get back?

00:47:18.000 And the guys all look real sad.

00:47:21.000 They're already working, folks.

00:47:23.000 They've still got, you know, bandages.

00:47:24.000 You can tell.

00:47:25.000 You can look and see the little yellow seepage.

00:47:27.000 You can tell they're still seeping.

00:47:29.000 Their wounds haven't even healed, folks.

00:47:31.000 Their limbs haven't even grown.

00:47:34.000 You know, they're still raw.

00:47:38.000 I mean, I look at the bandages on them and you can still see, you know, the yellow coming through, the blood coming through, the plasma coming through.

00:47:43.000 They're still bleeding.

00:47:46.000 I mean, these guys must be already going back on the job a month after their arms and legs are blown off.

00:47:52.000 Poor things.

00:47:54.000 And it's all for a lie for a bunch of carpet-bagging, draft-dodging, sniveling neocons. 0.98

00:48:02.000 It's just so sick. 0.98

00:48:04.000 And it just makes me sick.

00:48:06.000 Let's go ahead and go to Pat in Ohio.

00:48:08.000 Pat, thanks for holding.

00:48:09.000 Welcome.

00:48:10.000 Yeah, how you doing?

00:48:12.000 Before I ask my question, you mentioned that Johnny Cash was Jimmy Swagger's cousin?

00:48:17.000 Yes.

00:48:17.000 Back in the mid-80s, I heard him say that Jerry Lee Lewis and Mickey Gilley were his first cousins.

00:48:22.000 He never mentioned Johnny Cash.

00:48:25.000 Okay, well, that's the truth.

00:48:26.000 Okay.

00:48:27.000 My first question was, on one of your tapes, I think you Um, and George Humphrey mentioned Flight 800.

00:48:37.000 And you never elaborated on that, and I think that was the flight that went down a few years ago?

00:48:43.000 Uh, yeah.

00:48:44.000 Related to the Navy accidentally, or some speculation was that the Navy shot a rocket up there or something like that.

00:48:50.000 Is that the one we're talking about?

00:48:52.000 Uh, yes.

00:48:52.000 It blew up taking off from New York, flying to Europe.

00:48:55.000 Uh, that plane, there were, the Army was on maneuvers, the Navy was on maneuvers, Over 400 military men saw it, including over 40 something people who were Vietnam vets who'd seen missile trails.

00:49:09.000 Not one, but two missiles hit it.

00:49:11.000 State police saw it, police saw it.

00:49:14.000 There were over 800 witnesses that signed affidavits.

00:49:17.000 Like 800 plus.

00:49:19.000 And so it was seen by 800 plus witnesses including the masses of them that were in helicopters who were Vietnam vets who saw the missiles clearly hit it.

00:49:29.000 And so we don't know what happened.

00:49:31.000 We just know that they tested the residue in the plane.

00:49:33.000 Some reporters snuck in and got it and they got indicted for getting the residue.

00:49:38.000 It was explosive residue.

00:49:40.000 We know that the plane was shot down.

00:49:43.000 We don't know why.

00:49:44.000 We just know the government lied about it.

00:49:46.000 Just like the Queens, New York flight that took off from Queens a few weeks after 9-11 and both engines blew off and the tail blew off.

00:49:54.000 We got firemen, police, everybody seeing it.

00:49:56.000 And they just say, nope, you didn't see that.

00:50:02.000 So I don't begin to say what happened or why it happened.

00:50:05.000 We just know they're lying about it.

00:50:07.000 I wonder about that.

00:50:09.000 And also when you mentioned, when I looked at your tape, You know, the federal building in Oklahoma and the two towers that went down.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, we know specifically what happened with that.

00:50:23.000 Right, but my question is... The feds blew it up.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, but what I don't understand, why lie about it?

00:50:27.000 Why don't they just say that the terrorists blew it up?

00:50:31.000 Why stop there with just that they blew into the building?

00:50:35.000 Instead of covering up the fact that the buildings were blown up, they had explosives underneath the building, why not just tell the people that they also How's it explosive?

00:50:45.000 Because ma'am, that takes engineers with three degrees months to do.

00:50:51.000 Because it's pure bull.

00:50:51.000 That's why.

00:50:53.000 The whole story's pure bull.

00:50:55.000 Stay with us.

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00:54:13.000 We've got General Anna Skarpensky, the only female general officer commanding troops in the combat zone of Iraq. 0.64

00:54:20.000 Joining us, they tried to scapegoat her, now she's blown the whistle big time. 1.00

00:54:24.000 People say, you know, they couldn't run a conspiracy this big, people would go public.

00:54:28.000 How many FBI agents, how many former top CIA analysts, how many congressmen do we have to have on?

00:54:35.000 I mean, I have the guy that briefed Ronald Reagan for six of his eight years, the guy that briefed George Bush Sr.

00:54:43.000 for all of his years.

00:54:45.000 Ray McGovern on it.

00:54:46.000 I didn't prompt him, I just said, what do you think is going to happen if this administration gets in trouble?

00:54:52.000 Oh, they could carry out terror attacks.

00:54:56.000 Do you understand that top CIA analyst, number 5 in the CIA when he was in the CIA, Ray McGovern sang, the government may carry out terror attacks.

00:55:08.000 Let me say it again.

00:55:09.000 He said the government might carry out terror attacks.

00:55:15.000 Of course I've talked to him off camera before.

00:55:17.000 I've interviewed him for TV and he even said that on TV.

00:55:19.000 It's an upcoming documentary.

00:55:22.000 We've already put it in weekly TV reports for the present planet dot TV members.

00:55:27.000 You know, he said the government could carry out attacks then.

00:55:30.000 Do you understand?

00:55:32.000 See, this is mainstream.

00:55:34.000 This is what analysts are saying.

00:55:36.000 This is the reality.

00:55:38.000 We have government documents where they plan to do it.

00:55:41.000 You cannot ignore it.

00:55:43.000 It is real.

00:55:44.000 You can keep saying that we're the kooks, but you are the kooks that deny this.

00:55:49.000 Do you understand?

00:55:50.000 There's one way to look at the data.

00:55:52.000 Only one way.

00:55:54.000 It is an orgy of evidence.

00:55:57.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Mike in New York.

00:56:01.000 Go ahead, Mike.

00:56:02.000 Hello, my friend.

00:56:03.000 How are you?

00:56:04.000 Good, my friend.

00:56:05.000 I'm enjoying a nice Cuban Cohiba as we speak.

00:56:09.000 I just wanted to tell you that I purchased a shortwave radio because where I am in Rochester, I cannot pick up the AM signal.

00:56:16.000 I believe that strongly in your message, so I spent 200 hours on a shortwave.

00:56:21.000 Well, I'm sorry to hear you can't pick up our grand affiliates up there, but we appreciate them, too.

00:56:24.000 What's on your mind?

00:56:25.000 Oh, my friend, I'll tell you.

00:56:27.000 I've got to run.

00:56:28.000 I sell law enforcement and military supplies, and I've got some good stories to tell you, but I'll have to call back in.

00:56:34.000 I just ran out of time.

00:56:37.000 I'm sorry to hear that.

00:56:38.000 Tell us 30 seconds of it.

00:56:40.000 I'll tell ya, the other day I had this woman call and her son, he's an MP over there, and she's crying because he can't find a sling for his M16 and he needs a holster for his sidearm.

00:56:56.000 And here I'm thinking to myself, here she's crying on the phone, and then, you know, she's... You can't put people over there without giving them the tools to do the job. 0.98

00:57:04.000 Well, half the army that was in the news had to buy their own body armor.

00:57:07.000 Oh, Alex, it breaks my heart when I get these calls.

00:57:11.000 It just breaks my heart.

00:57:12.000 And I, you know, I said, look, I have the stuff that you're looking for, I'll send it to you, and I won't charge a penny.

00:57:20.000 Just so your kid has got some things that he needs.

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00:57:28.000 You know, I'm not really looking for sponsors, but I should be.

00:57:30.000 Oh, I'll tell ya.

00:57:31.000 Send me some info.

00:57:32.000 Well, you're the right kind of person.

00:57:34.000 Well, can you believe they won't give them armored vehicles that they keep saying they have when they haven't?

00:57:38.000 Alex, I can't.

00:57:39.000 I can't.

00:57:40.000 I get so infuriated. 0.67

00:57:41.000 I get so enraged when I hear this nonsense. 0.93

00:57:44.000 It's incredible.

00:57:45.000 The people have to wake up.

00:57:47.000 You know, my sons and I collect firearms, and I told them, I said, you really need to listen to this guy, because if you want to keep that investment, you really need to hear what you have to say.

00:57:55.000 And, uh, you know, I'll tell you, it's an important message that needs to be heard.

00:58:00.000 And these people who choose to ignore it, I can't, I don't understand what they're thinking about.

00:58:07.000 I really don't.

00:58:08.000 You know, there's so many things that you're saying need to be heard.

00:58:13.000 No.

00:58:13.000 Well, God bless you and I appreciate your call, sir.

00:58:16.000 And call me back.

00:58:17.000 I want to hear more of the stories.

00:58:20.000 Mike, you still there?

00:58:21.000 But I will call you again, my friend.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, call me back when we've got more time, when you don't have some money at your store or whatever.

00:58:25.000 Thank you very much.

00:58:26.000 You bet.

00:58:26.000 Take care.

00:58:27.000 Bye, Condeas.

00:58:27.000 All right, we'll be right back with the second hour.

00:58:30.000 We'll take a few more calls.

00:58:32.000 And then we've got Janice Lepensky joining us, the only female officer commanding Cribs in the combat zone in Iraq.

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00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Well, she was the commanding general over all the prisons and detention centers.

00:59:20.000 I bet she's got some stories to tell.

00:59:22.000 In Iraq, if she was General Janice Berpinski, she's joining us in about five minutes. 0.68

00:59:28.000 The only female general officer commanding troops in the combat zone in Iraq.

00:59:32.000 And they tried to scapegoat her. 0.99

00:59:34.000 That's coming up.

00:59:35.000 Also, your calls.

00:59:36.000 Let's go to your calls right now.

00:59:38.000 Scott Ritter, the U.N.

00:59:39.000 weapons inspector with a bunch of new revelations and developments.

00:59:42.000 Another big whistleblower joining us in the next hour.

00:59:46.000 Let's go to Joel in Wisconsin right now.

00:59:48.000 Joel, welcome.

00:59:49.000 Hi, Alex.

00:59:51.000 I wanted to go over a few things, like the Fed Chair being changed.

00:59:55.000 I know Alan Greenspan said that the gold-backed dollar is the best thing.

01:00:00.000 Then when he gets in, all of a sudden, oh, no, no, no.

01:00:03.000 Well, he wrote books saying the Federal Reserve is an evil... He wrote books that sounded like they were written by Eustace Mullins.

01:00:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:09.000 I mean, these are published in Ayn Rand publications in the 60s.

01:00:13.000 But by the 70s, he switched over to their side.

01:00:15.000 They actually paid him off and hired him.

01:00:19.000 I mean, he was one of us, folks.

01:00:20.000 He talked just like us.

01:00:21.000 I'm going to make a prediction.

01:00:22.000 I'm going to predict that interest rates are going to rise through the roof, that this new chairman is going to burst the housing bubble for sure, and what they're doing is they're using the hurricane.

01:00:33.000 And did you know, just in the past half day or so, there's been a bombing that went off in Baghdad again?

01:00:41.000 But the terrorists are blowing up reporters. 1.00

01:00:48.000 Now, I couldn't think of any terrorists In the right or wrong mind, that would do something that stupid. 1.00

01:00:55.000 Yeah, why do the terrorists always do what helps the globalists? 0.99

01:00:58.000 Like, Saddam says, I hate Al-Qaeda, I'm fighting them, which is true. 1.00

01:01:02.000 And then all of a sudden, bin Laden pops up and goes, no, no, I'm working with him. 0.98

01:01:07.000 And then, of course, Colin Powell knows hours before the tape's released, because he works for them.

01:01:12.000 It's totally and completely, look, look.

01:01:15.000 Well, why would they want bad press releases?

01:01:18.000 I mean, what I'm looking at it this way.

01:01:20.000 The government, if some reporter got a hold of some really hot news that was, like, meltdown great, I would think that the government would want them hushed up really quick.

01:01:31.000 But I don't think terrorists would.

01:01:32.000 Well, sir, it's not just your logic that's correct.

01:01:36.000 It's the facts.

01:01:37.000 You notice the Spanish judge has indicted and is calling for the arrest of the troops that fired with the Abrams into the hotel?

01:01:47.000 No one was firing at them from the hotel.

01:01:49.000 The 9th floor was doing bad reports on them killing kids.

01:01:53.000 They just had arguments with them. 0.63

01:01:54.000 They were ordered to assassinate them. 0.98

01:01:56.000 The Pentagon said they were going to kill reporters beforehand.

01:02:00.000 And I heard neocons on the radio going, our troops just can't do anything right.

01:02:04.000 They just can't defend themselves.

01:02:06.000 They openly are targeting reporters.

01:02:08.000 It's like in the Associated Press.

01:02:11.000 They had major reporters, a big gaggle of them, had an officer walk over to them.

01:02:15.000 Remember this a few weeks ago?

01:02:17.000 In New Orleans.

01:02:19.000 And he said, I don't care if the federal court says you're allowed to take photos and be here. 0.98

01:02:24.000 You release one photo of any of this, we are going to kill you like we do people in Iraq. 1.00

01:02:29.000 Now that's in front of reporters! 1.00

01:02:31.000 That's not us claiming they kill reporters, that's them saying, we killed you! 1.00

01:02:36.000 We will kill you! 0.98

01:02:37.000 In America, troops saying, an officer, right in front of a whole group of reporters, knowing it'd get out. 1.00

01:02:43.000 We will kill you!

01:02:44.000 Well I think they're using Harris as a lightning rod, because I don't think she's electable, but I do think that the next person they put in is going to be even worse, but it's going to be the other side. 0.99

01:02:53.000 So...

01:02:56.000 We'll be okay if I listen off air to the interview.

01:02:59.000 Sir, we can't let people sit on the phone line.

01:03:01.000 I do appreciate your call.

01:03:03.000 I mean, I really, really do appreciate your call, sir.

01:03:05.000 You can listen on shortwave, on internet, if you don't have a local AM or FM affiliate, up in Wisconsin.

01:03:11.000 I suggest to all of you who don't have an AM or FM affiliate, you're listening on shortwave on the internet, Uh, on bad shortwave days or bad internet days, whatever, to call and get us a local affiliate in your area.

01:03:21.000 That's how we get most of our stations, and we're getting more of them.

01:03:25.000 I want to thank all those stations.

01:03:27.000 Uh, is that people just keep calling and calling and calling.

01:03:30.000 We want Alex Jones.

01:03:35.000 And, uh, they've got the receivers to pick us up.

01:03:38.000 We're on the big digital birds, folks.

01:03:40.000 And, uh, pretty much everybody in radio now knows who I am, so it's not that hard of a sell.

01:03:45.000 We're getting pretty mainstream in that everything we've talked about is coming out.

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01:07:55.000 But for the next 51 minutes, and we're even going to take some calls a little bit later, we are joined by the Brigadier General, retired now, and she was the head of all the prisons and detainment facilities, 17 of them at the time, in Iraq, 3,400 soldiers, and she's Janice Tharpinsky.

01:08:19.000 And when she started refusing to be scapegoated, He started pointing out the military intelligence and the 205 Military Intelligence Brigade was in control of every wing in every prison where this stuff was going on, where the torture was going on.

01:08:35.000 When she wouldn't fall on her sword and commit hairy carry when she hadn't done anything, Lord Bush, the silver spoon creature, fell on, basically forced her to be broken down to a colonel. 0.59

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01:09:08.000 And General, it's really good to have you on with us today.

01:09:12.000 And it is great to be with you.

01:09:14.000 It's a privilege.

01:09:14.000 Thank you very much.

01:09:16.000 For those that don't know, I mean, we have General Togumbo's own report.

01:09:20.000 I mean, it's admitted raping, pouring acid on people, the photos we've seen of the tip of the iceberg, but then, day one, I knew that even at Camp X-Ray, Brigadier General Rick Baucus refused to torture, so he got kicked out, as well, so you're among a lot of other company, and now that's finally broken on a major TV show like Frontline, but we reported on it two years ago.

01:09:47.000 I mean, this is going on.

01:09:48.000 For those that don't know, the torture is admitted, but we know that even in Guantanamo Bay, there is a CIA base within the base.

01:09:56.000 That's where the torture goes on, and can you break this down and basically go through what happened and how they tried to scapegoat you?

01:10:04.000 Well, I guess we'll never know until they're willing to admit, and they never will, but we can speculate as to why they wanted to scapegoat me, and there's every reason to believe That those reasons are valid, but it started when we were assigned this new mission for detention operations.

01:10:23.000 We were basically sold a false bill of goods.

01:10:26.000 They told us that we were going to Baghdad, that we were going to receive support from the CJTF-7, General Sanchez's headquarters, and from Ambassador Bremer at the Coalition Provisional Authority, that we would be working with these prisons experts at the Coalition Provisional Authority, To work towards restoring Iraqi jails and prisons to turn it back over to the Iraqi control.

01:10:49.000 To arrive in Baghdad to discover that they had just begun to identify some locations.

01:10:54.000 They had a list of 121 prisons that they wanted to restore and that they wanted us to run.

01:11:01.000 And I told them I didn't have nearly that number of resources.

01:11:04.000 I could run about 15.

01:11:05.000 We settled on 17.

01:11:09.000 And they were responsible for providing the funding to restore those prisons and renovate those prisons.

01:11:16.000 That was very slow in coming, only to discover after those contractors left that most of the contract work that had been allegedly done and paid for was in fact never done.

01:11:26.000 So we had MPs that were running these facilities Very, very austere conditions.

01:11:34.000 The prisons that were restored were done to the minimal standards.

01:11:39.000 In one case, the contractors put the hinges on the insides of the prison doors so the prisoners took all the hinge pins out and were waiting outside in the courtyard and scared the Iraqi guards away and the MPs had to go back in.

01:11:52.000 uh... regain control of the prison facility but Abu Ghraib was never intended to be a permanent prison detention prison or detention operation it was used as an interim facility largely because there was real estate available inside the twenty foot high retaining wall uh... which was the first line of defense uh... for us to establish temporary camps prisoner of war camps if there was still a war going on

01:12:21.000 This would have been much like a prisoner of war camp.

01:12:25.000 It was never an ideal location of any kind for detention operations, let alone interrogation operations, as it ultimately became.

01:12:33.000 General, we're talking to Brigadier General Janice Karpinski, now retired, and Lord Bush bust her down the kernel when she started going public about a year ago, refusing to go along with this fraud.

01:12:44.000 I mean, specifically, let's get into the separation of duties.

01:12:48.000 Once you guys are in there, you're overloaded, 3,400 troops, that's with security.

01:12:53.000 A lot of your prisons and facilities are under daily bombardment by rockets, grenades, snipers, bombings.

01:13:02.000 And on top of this, I didn't specifically, because obviously you were there and commanding this, how the military intelligence took over and cloistered and kind of sequestered their own little reservations within your reservations.

01:13:16.000 The military intelligence brigade commander relocated to Abu Ghraib after one of his soldiers, two of his soldiers were killed in a RPG attack out at the prison facility.

01:13:28.000 He was visiting one night, only intended to spend one or two nights out there.

01:13:32.000 There was an attack and two of his soldiers were killed and shortly after that he made the decision to relocate to Abu Ghraib and he had about six interrogation teams which then became about a dozen interrogation teams and these were military interrogators.

01:13:50.000 These were soldiers who were serving as interrogators.

01:13:53.000 They were following their regulations, their doctrine.

01:13:56.000 We had a very low number, a very small number of uh... prisoners that needed to be interrogated they were mostly iraqi criminals non-violent crimes looting Missing curfew, a weapon in the trunk of the car, whatever it may have been.

01:14:11.000 Well, that's what the Army's other report said.

01:14:13.000 It said that between 75 and 90 percent were totally innocent and just hadn't had their papers in order.

01:14:20.000 And it remains so, I believe, it remains so today.

01:14:20.000 That's correct.

01:14:24.000 Because they're still doing these raids, these roundups, where they'll go out and target an individual and whoever happens to be around that individual, they bring them all in.

01:14:33.000 And then there's no way, there's no avenue to release them.

01:14:36.000 Once they're tagged as security detainees, they fall into this relatively new and unsupervised category.

01:14:44.000 And when you had this departure from detention operations and following the rules to control of detention operations by a military intelligence commander, you have a complete departure from Anything other than chaos, as far as who's in charge, who can give me orders, who can instruct me.

01:15:05.000 What was it like having somebody under you, though?

01:15:07.000 I mean, I've heard the stories of your Delta Force commanding generals around.

01:15:11.000 What was it like having somebody under you, basically telling you what to do?

01:15:15.000 Well, Colonel Pappas never worked for me.

01:15:17.000 He was never in my chain of command.

01:15:19.000 So he just basically did whatever he wanted?

01:15:21.000 When it came to interrogations, he answered to General Fast.

01:15:21.000 Absolutely.

01:15:25.000 Who was the intelligence officer at the headquarters and to General Sanchez, who was the commander.

01:15:30.000 He didn't report any of his interrogation findings through me.

01:15:33.000 In fact, the one time that one of his captains, when we had this first raid that was conducted and they brought in about 37 security detainees, within about 36 hours, they had interviewed all of them and said that the majority of them were available for release.

01:15:51.000 When I briefed that, that evening at the nightly update, I was told by General Wojtkowski, the Deputy Commander, not to release anybody.

01:16:01.000 And who gave me those instructions?

01:16:03.000 And I said they weren't instructions, it was a list.

01:16:06.000 The interrogator said they were eligible to be released and were ready to release them.

01:16:10.000 And there of no further intel about you, he said, you are not to release anybody.

01:16:15.000 And then he got the captain and read him the riot act about not releasing anybody and there started the pattern of holding.

01:16:23.000 Largely innocent people.

01:16:26.000 General, we've got you for the rest of this hour, and my mind is just spinning.

01:16:29.000 I mean, there's so much I want to talk about.

01:16:31.000 I want to talk about what happened in there, how they kept you guys out of it, then how they tried to blame you with it, when their own documents show you weren't even allowed in there.

01:16:40.000 All of this going on, and then we've got Alberto Gonzalez writing memos that then the Pentagon uses, giving orders to their own little subgroups under black ops, And then they send people to prison for following orders, even in their own groups.

01:16:56.000 Right.

01:16:56.000 I mean, it's just, there's so many facets to this.

01:17:00.000 And they're all bad.

01:17:02.000 Yes.

01:17:05.000 We can trace now, we can trace back to, through documents that were released under court order, we can trace back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzalez reviewed and Discuss with the President of the United States a departure from the Geneva Conventions.

01:17:22.000 These are not prisoners.

01:17:23.000 These are terrorists.

01:17:25.000 And these techniques will be more effective.

01:17:28.000 And then Secretary Rumsfeld putting his signature on a document authorizing more aggressive techniques, harsher techniques during interrogation.

01:17:36.000 That document goes down to Guantanamo Bay and over to Afghanistan and it's used perhaps first In small groups, and then it's used at Guantanamo Bay as a standard practice.

01:17:51.000 Well, specifically General, we've got a break, but what about private contractors inside Abu Ghraib and other areas?

01:17:57.000 Because we've seen the reports that they were in there too.

01:18:01.000 Absolutely, and when you ask private contractors to do anything related to combat operations, you're already heading down a very dangerous path.

01:18:09.000 We're talking about mercenaries, but now mercenary interrogators?

01:18:13.000 I mean, I remember sitting in an L.A.

01:18:17.000 hotel room watching Rumsfeld go on, we've taken the gloves off, we're really pressuring him, and in Lasker in the military briefing, I mean, this was all publicly encouraged!

01:18:28.000 And then they can send people to prison while they don't get in trouble?

01:18:32.000 I just can't figure that out.

01:18:33.000 General, this is amazing.

01:18:35.000 We'll be back in about three minutes.

01:18:35.000 We've got a break.

01:18:37.000 And then we'll continue.

01:18:40.000 Just any areas, directions you want to go in, just tell us because this is such a wide field.

01:18:47.000 We'll be right back.

01:18:48.000 We're talking to General Janice Karpinski.

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01:22:51.000 Folks, I want you to think about the magnitude of the dissections.

01:23:00.000 Last week we had Rand McGovern, number 5 in the CIA.

01:23:05.000 Who briefed Ronald Reagan, who briefed George Bush Senior, coming right out on air saying Bush may carry out terror attacks because he's in so much trouble to keep his war going, that our own government might pull something.

01:23:18.000 I mean, that's how out in the open all this is getting.

01:23:21.000 That's how many whistleblowers there are. 0.55

01:23:23.000 Ron Paul, Republican Congressman, saying the government may be preparing for a coup d'etat, for martial law.

01:23:30.000 I mean, that's how Twilight Zone things have gotten, and here we are, talking to Brigadier General Janice Karpinski in her new book, One Woman's Army.

01:23:40.000 You talk about courage!

01:23:41.000 You know, at first, they were blaming her.

01:23:43.000 People said, oh, she's the one. 0.99

01:23:44.000 I got on air, remember?

01:23:45.000 And I said, folks, these areas are under military intelligence control.

01:23:50.000 They're CIA interrogators.

01:23:52.000 It's the same thing at Camp X-Ray.

01:23:54.000 They have a CIA base within a base.

01:23:56.000 This is pure bull.

01:23:57.000 And later, that did come out.

01:23:58.000 I'm not tooting my horn.

01:24:00.000 We knew how they were doing this.

01:24:02.000 General, I mean, let's go right down the line here.

01:24:08.000 We have the documents, we know where these orders to do this torture came from.

01:24:12.000 Came right from the top, filtered all the way down through the Secretary of Defense, with the endorsement of the President, the Vice President, you know, whatever advisors are surrounding him, and filtered down through the commanders in the field.

01:24:27.000 These practices were not only endorsed, but were in use at Guantanamo Bay and in locations in Afghanistan.

01:24:35.000 And when General Miller visited Iraq, He carried those techniques with him and taught the interrogators on site how to be more effective in their interrogations.

01:24:44.000 And then he sent contract interrogators and people he knew, military people he knew, who had performed well down at Guantanamo Bay, he sent them to Iraq as well.

01:24:56.000 So really we had kind of torture seminars going on.

01:25:00.000 Yes, everywhere except in Abu Ghraib.

01:25:03.000 Because General Miller must have thought that his discussions with the Military Intelligence Brigade Commander were effective enough for him to understand that he could do anything he needed to do to get actionable intelligence from the prisoners.

01:25:18.000 Now, you know, they talk about how they went after Grainer and England and others because they had photos, but you point out in your book, why then, you know, who took the pictures and why did that happen?

01:25:32.000 And then on top of it, if Congress has seen over 2,000 photos and over 100 videos of raping women, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about savage Joseph Mingala type stuff, even underage people.

01:25:44.000 I mean, if this is going on, then why haven't all those people been indicted?

01:25:48.000 Because they needed a group of people to call the scapegoat, excuse me, they needed to scapegoat people that, and they must have believed naively that they were going to take the punishment, go to jail, and be quiet.

01:26:01.000 That they would never go out and hire their own attorneys or representatives for themselves and their own cases.

01:26:09.000 They certainly believed that I was going to be quiet, that I was just going to take what they were accusing me of and go back home to the United States after my deployment.

01:26:18.000 Now this was in the press.

01:26:19.000 The first you heard of it was when the investigation was already going and you'd never even been in that area of the prison.

01:26:25.000 That's correct.

01:26:26.000 I didn't hear about this from the people that you would think I should hear it from.

01:26:30.000 General Sanchez or his intelligence officer, General Fast.

01:26:34.000 I heard about this in an email late at night From the Commander of the Criminal Investigation Division.

01:26:40.000 And his agent on site at Abu Ghraib is the one who actually received the disk of pictures, the initial disk, from the MP.

01:26:48.000 And he called the Commander and they opened an investigation.

01:26:51.000 So when I got the email that mentioned an ongoing investigation, That was on the 12th of January of 2004.

01:26:58.000 That was the first I heard of any investigation.

01:27:02.000 You're the commanding officer of all the prisons, and you don't even know about it.

01:27:06.000 That's correct.

01:27:07.000 They kept me out of the loop on purpose.

01:27:11.000 How is the military supposed to operate?

01:27:13.000 I mean, no military has ever done this.

01:27:15.000 Hitler was really the first to have the SS separate from the mainline army and it was disastrous. 0.61

01:27:22.000 And this was disastrous as well.

01:27:24.000 You take a prison location that was never a good location for any kind of detention operations.

01:27:32.000 It was being mortared every night.

01:27:34.000 It was in the middle of the Sunni triangle and now you take this operation and you put it under the control of the military intelligence.

01:27:42.000 And their objective is completely different than the objective of a military police soldier.

01:27:48.000 And they know how to treat prisoners humanely and fairly and they did so in every facility where they were running detention operations.

01:27:55.000 The only Well, I read about where they would go get prison guards, federal prison guards with bad records, and actually hire them.

01:28:10.000 They were actually scouting for sickos.

01:28:12.000 Well, there is a, you know, and not only, the prisons experts that were hired, We were supposed to have about 80 of them down at the Coalition Provisional Authority.

01:28:25.000 There was three.

01:28:26.000 And then one of them got fired.

01:28:27.000 And these are U.S.

01:28:28.000 contractors.

01:28:30.000 Of course, they didn't share the information about their previous positions with us, but after we returned, we found out that... General, we got a break.

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01:31:59.000 We've got the general for about 30 more minutes.

01:32:05.000 Really honored to have her.

01:32:06.000 She's the brigadier general who ran the prisons and camps in Iraq.

01:32:12.000 General Janice Karpinski, her new book, One Woman's Army, and it's in bookstores everywhere.

01:32:18.000 You need to get it.

01:32:19.000 And look, I just got my copy a few days ago that the publisher mailed me.

01:32:22.000 It's excellent.

01:32:23.000 I haven't read the whole thing and I've read about three chapters.

01:32:26.000 But we need to support people that are bold and tell the truth.

01:32:29.000 And they didn't expect her to go public.

01:32:31.000 That's where we had left off when we went to break.

01:32:35.000 I guess they expect you to be spineless like all the others.

01:32:39.000 You know, there's an increasing number, and it's a great concern to me personally and professionally, because I saw senior officers in Iraq who were more concerned about the political ramifications of their decisions than they were about the leadership or moral decisions, ramifications.

01:32:55.000 They were hesitant to Go against anything that Secretary Rumsfeld was putting out.

01:33:03.000 Because he had proven, if you don't agree with him, you'll find yourself on the street.

01:33:08.000 You'll find yourself without a position.

01:33:10.000 So there is no backbone anymore that we've become very famous for in the military.

01:33:16.000 We have the strongest military in the world, but our leaders are now afraid.

01:33:20.000 They're afraid to voice their opinions, they're afraid to state their opinions, and they're afraid to say, no, you're wrong.

01:33:25.000 Well, even their general, even their Enron crony, their darling Army Secretary White, who was an insider with these guys, he said, look, the generals say 400,000 troops.

01:33:36.000 We're going to fail.

01:33:38.000 It's what all the Rand Corporation says.

01:33:40.000 And they said, you're out of there, buddy.

01:33:42.000 And that's what they did to General Shinseki as well.

01:33:45.000 He went back to Secretary Rumsfeld twice.

01:33:48.000 And he said, we need more than 300,000 soldiers if we're going to do this right.

01:33:52.000 And the second time he went back to him, he said, well, then I guess you don't understand me and I don't need you.

01:33:57.000 And he brought in his own team.

01:33:59.000 And General Shinseki was, for all practical purposes, a lame duck for months until he retired.

01:34:07.000 It's amazing, though, that, I mean, when they get unanimous data from the people that know how to fight wars, and know how to get the power back on and help the civilian population, they just, you know, I'm sure you've seen the Karl Rove quote where he says, we control reality, we make reality.

01:34:23.000 I mean, they really are delusional.

01:34:25.000 You want to see reality?

01:34:26.000 Go to Baghdad.

01:34:27.000 That's reality.

01:34:28.000 Walk the ground where the soldiers are walking.

01:34:30.000 That's reality.

01:34:32.000 This nonsense about running, and this is what happened with the CJTF 7 headquarters.

01:34:37.000 The officers on General Sanchez's staff were trying to run the war from their laptop computers.

01:34:42.000 They didn't go out and walk the ground that the soldiers were walking.

01:34:45.000 They didn't see what the soldiers were facing every day.

01:34:48.000 They were trying to run the war from their laptop computers.

01:34:52.000 They were afraid to go out in the middle of the hostilities, but they had no problem sending any of us out. 0.81

01:34:58.000 to do that work.

01:34:59.000 So we've gone from George Washington at Trenton charging into the German soldiers himself with bullets flicking through his hat to generals cowering in armored compounds.

01:35:10.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:35:12.000 You want to know where the armored vehicles were and they weren't out on the road with the soldiers?

01:35:15.000 They were protecting the spokesperson for General Sanchez.

01:35:20.000 They were parked on the confines of Camp Victory so in case any of those officers had to take a 20-minute journey somewhere across the road to the airport They'd be in an up-armored vehicle.

01:35:30.000 And soldiers were paying the price for that.

01:35:34.000 But they don't care, they'll just have a neocon get on the radio and say they've got plenty of armored vehicles when I've got family over there and they still don't!

01:35:41.000 What are these letters we're getting back home?

01:35:43.000 What are these soldiers saying?

01:35:45.000 Are they all wrong?

01:35:46.000 Are they all making this up?

01:35:48.000 When a soldier stands up and says to the Secretary of Defense, why don't we have the right equipment if you want us to do this the right way and survive?

01:35:56.000 And he says, well, we go to war with the army, we have not necessarily the one that we want.

01:36:00.000 And it's never addressed again.

01:36:03.000 The person who stopped, the person who stopped the orders for additional armored equipment and armored vehicles is today a four-star general and is in the Pentagon and is serving as the, he is the acting Chief of Staff of the Army.

01:36:18.000 Well, the FBI agents that blocked Robert Wright and Kathleen Rowley and others, who specifically had the documents and knew who the hijackers were according to the official story, they all got demoted or removed or fired, but the people that blocked them have all been promoted.

01:36:34.000 See how it works?

01:36:36.000 You play the game, you go along with whatever's being spun by the neocons or by the Pentagon, and you get promoted.

01:36:42.000 But the people who have the strength and the moral courage to stand up and say, this is wrong, this is a lie, they're removed from their positions, they take their security clearances away, and then they're out on the street.

01:36:55.000 And that's a big message to be sending throughout the force.

01:36:59.000 You cross the Secretary of Defense and you're out on the street.

01:37:03.000 But if I was the Secretary of Defense, I would want the real intel.

01:37:07.000 I would want to know what was really going on.

01:37:09.000 I would want to know what the trained war fighters were saying instead of this delusional la-la. 0.99

01:37:15.000 I mean, just because I think something doesn't make it so.

01:37:18.000 Or just because you repeat a lie often enough doesn't make it the truth.

01:37:22.000 But, you've already started down that road.

01:37:24.000 If you stop this train, which is what they need to do, realistically, they need to stop this train and say, wait, clean the slate, we need to get to the truth and we need to get there now.

01:37:38.000 But, I mean, General, how obvious is it When we got the memo saying, well, these are Wellian terms, I mean, these are public.

01:37:46.000 Well, we can torture somebody to death, and if we don't mean to kill them, and we don't call it torture, it isn't torture.

01:37:51.000 I mean, torturing people to death, folks, and this happens all the time, and then the Congress You know, 90 to 9, the Senate says, no more torture, you've got to follow the manual, you've got to follow the law, the regulations, and then Bush says, no, I'm going to veto that!

01:38:08.000 I mean, look, he's sending people to prison, little nothings like England and Grainer, who are obviously, you know, psychopaths, but the point is, They're sending them to prison for following their degenerate orders of the handlers that were in there controlling them, that took the photos, that thought it was cute.

01:38:26.000 Meanwhile, Bush is on TV saying, I'm going to veto and we're going to torture.

01:38:31.000 Right, what are they afraid of?

01:38:32.000 Why do we have to have a new law that says we're not going to torture or abuse?

01:38:39.000 That's what the Geneva Conventions are supposed to be about.

01:38:43.000 Why do we have to have a law? 0.99

01:38:44.000 I think it's a step in the right direction.

01:38:46.000 But General, even the Soviets, even the Soviets didn't admit they tortured. 0.76

01:38:51.000 Hitler didn't admit they tortured. 0.74

01:38:52.000 I'm sorry for interrupting, but it seems we've reached a new level here where they even admit it now.

01:38:57.000 Well, exactly.

01:38:59.000 Because there's overwhelming proof that it's not only been going on, but it's been directed and is likely continuing even to this day.

01:39:07.000 I don't want to believe that it is, but the statements from people that are just returning from the theater give every indication that in fact it is.

01:39:14.000 They still don't know where to draw the line.

01:39:17.000 General, why is the torture so perverted?

01:39:23.000 Well, I think, you know, to me, when they use, particularly women, this sexual overtones, using a woman to try to get an Iraqi man to, or a Muslim man, to break and to give them information. 0.96

01:39:39.000 This is insulting and humiliating, not only to the female that they're using to do the interrogation, but they're getting some kind of bizarre sense of pleasure, the interrogators are, watching this whole thing take place.

01:39:51.000 I know, this is something out of a horror movie! 0.88

01:39:53.000 Naked women putting... putting... I mean, I hate to use this, but yet we have to. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Menstrual fluids on men?

01:39:59.000 I mean, this is... Exactly, and who studied the Arab culture to come up with such an idea?

01:40:06.000 I mean, this is insulting to anybody.

01:40:09.000 But I mean, if I made a horror movie where the military was doing this, people wouldn't believe it.

01:40:13.000 It's so bizarre.

01:40:14.000 It is bizarre.

01:40:15.000 And the fact that they're using female soldiers to conduct this demonstrates what they're thinking about the likelihood of war for women in the military. 0.99

01:40:27.000 Well, listen, if they told me in the military, go in there and do something to a woman, I'd be, you can go to hell. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Exactly. 0.96

01:40:33.000 And I think the majority of soldiers that are serving today would do exactly that.

01:40:37.000 They'd say, hold on a second, I am not going to do that.

01:40:41.000 And they could threaten your career, they could do anything they needed to, but I would take the same position.

01:40:46.000 Oh no, I'm not.

01:40:48.000 And that's why they took every effort to keep me away from getting any information about what was going on.

01:40:54.000 And then they tried to burn you because you had been investigating it.

01:40:57.000 That's right.

01:40:58.000 And because I would have objected I would have complained to the top level.

01:41:03.000 I never would have allowed this to take place.

01:41:05.000 What was the breaking point?

01:41:06.000 I mean, when did you decide to not roll over and fight him?

01:41:10.000 When I was down in Kuwait and I was waiting for... I spoke to General Toguba in the conference room down in Kuwait and he had six other men in the room with him.

01:41:21.000 Excuse me.

01:41:24.000 And when he was asking me questions and he was insisting And I was holding my ground.

01:41:29.000 I said, No, I was not in charge.

01:41:31.000 No, I did not know this was going on.

01:41:33.000 No, these soldiers are not derelict in the performance of their duties.

01:41:36.000 I explained every single question that he presented to me.

01:41:39.000 And when I saw the results of his investigation, or from from that interview, and he had the nerve to say that I was emotional.

01:41:49.000 Well, I wasn't the one with tears coming out of my eyes at the end of the interview.

01:41:54.000 It was him and his six comrades, because they knew what they were doing was wrong, and they knew that they were going to be called to accuse me for things that clearly I was not responsible for.

01:42:06.000 Well, that's encouraging, though, that they were crying, because that means they've still got souls, at least.

01:42:12.000 Well, one would hope.

01:42:14.000 But I didn't see any evidence.

01:42:16.000 They were feeling pretty guilty trying to railroad you.

01:42:18.000 They knew that this was a compartmentalized operation, and that's now public, folks.

01:42:24.000 Absolutely, and not only that, but General Taguba was not instructed to investigate the photographs from Cell Block 1A.

01:42:31.000 But even his report admits raping, acid, all of this.

01:42:35.000 Yes, but he still held the MPs from the 800th MP Brigade responsible.

01:42:42.000 Because he said his instructions were limited to the 800th MP Brigade.

01:42:48.000 So he had to turn over the investigation for a subsequent investigation by General Fay, who looked into the military intelligence.

01:42:57.000 Did you tell him, I'm going to fight this propaganda?

01:43:00.000 I told General McCannon when he made the decision that I should not be reprimanded, that I should not be relieved.

01:43:00.000 I did.

01:43:07.000 And he allowed me to go back to the United States, and that was in April of 2004.

01:43:12.000 I told him that we needed, when I got back to the States, it was my intent to, you know, at least have an after-action review and make sure none of this ever happened again.

01:43:23.000 And he said to me as I was leaving his office, there's a great future for Janis Karpinski in the Army Reserves.

01:43:29.000 He was the commander in the theater.

01:43:32.000 By the time I got back to the United States and the pictures were released, The Chief of the Army Reserves is now using the Toguba Report as the sacred document and is suspending me and ultimately relieving me from command.

01:43:45.000 And he has never spoken a word to me since I've been back in the United States.

01:43:51.000 Now let's talk about war gaming.

01:43:52.000 Folks, we're talking to a lady of such incredible courage. 0.82

01:43:55.000 You can hear the genuineness, but I don't go off of that.

01:43:58.000 I don't, you know, just go off of my discernment.

01:44:00.000 I have researched this.

01:44:01.000 We've done 50 shows on this.

01:44:04.000 It's the same thing at Camp X-Ray.

01:44:07.000 They sequester, they cloister.

01:44:10.000 The regular Army, the regular Marines are not even allowed into these areas.

01:44:14.000 Then they've got the nerve to try to blame people that had no connection to it and that didn't go along with it.

01:44:20.000 So that really makes me mad.

01:44:22.000 But let's talk about war games.

01:44:23.000 We know they say Iraq is a laboratory. 0.83

01:44:25.000 We know they say that these prisons are laboratories, that Afghanistan is. 1.00

01:44:29.000 And they send these cadres around making larger cadres.

01:44:32.000 I think it's pretty clear that we are seeing the cold-blooded formation of a torture corps, and that these cadres are being expanded.

01:44:43.000 Is that frightening to you?

01:44:44.000 Does that concern you?

01:44:45.000 Or do you agree with my statement that they're forming a large torture corps?

01:44:51.000 I don't know if they'll be so bold as to call it that, but yes, I agree with you and it makes me shudder when I think about it because they took some contract interrogators to Iraq.

01:45:02.000 They took some contract interrogators and put them at Abu Ghraib, testing to see what the response of the prisoners would be, testing more importantly to see what the response of soldiers would be to those interrogators taking over A military function.

01:45:16.000 So now we know that that's an encroachment.

01:45:19.000 We know the quality of some of the contractors that were down at the Coalition Provisional Authority.

01:45:24.000 Some of them had been fired from previous assignments, specifically at prisons, and they were fired for allegations of abuse of prisoners.

01:45:33.000 In one case, it caused the death of a prisoner.

01:45:36.000 So there's this encroachment. 1.00

01:45:39.000 They're actually scouring the planet for scum! 0.97

01:45:42.000 Yes, for people who have this kind of mindset, who can live with themselves while they're going forth in this global war on terrorism and trying to make a difference. 0.96

01:45:52.000 But, you know, it's important to understand that even the McCain bill that was passed by overwhelming victory, 90 to 9, it's limited to the military.

01:46:07.000 For people who are subject to the UCMJ.

01:46:09.000 We need a law on contractors on everybody! 1.00

01:46:11.000 Absolutely!

01:46:12.000 Absolutely!

01:46:13.000 Well, let me ask you a question.

01:46:14.000 If somebody kidnaps a woman and goes and rapes her, I mean, is his defense gonna be, hey, I was just blowing off steam, like Rush Limbaugh said, and torture's no big deal?

01:46:22.000 I thought she was a terrorist. 1.00

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 I was trying to get information from her.

01:46:27.000 I mean, let's think about this, folks. 0.99

01:46:28.000 Since when is beating people to death and raping someone's wife in front of them, because their papers weren't in order at a checkpoint, because the fat slob just wants to rape somebody, since when is that what Americans do? 0.99

01:46:39.000 Since never. 0.99

01:46:41.000 We don't do those kind of things.

01:46:42.000 We're better than this.

01:46:45.000 General, what would you like to see happen?

01:46:46.000 I mean, obviously, I think Gonzales And any general who we have paper trails on, knowingly part of this, I think they all need to go to prison.

01:46:55.000 Well, I'll tell you something.

01:46:57.000 The Inspector General, who was not the Inspector General for most of the investigation, the one who made the decision to clear General Sanchez, General Wojcikowski, General Fass, Colonel Warren, Colonel Pappas, and General Miller.

01:47:12.000 You know, it was only there at the direction of Secretary Rumsfeld and that was the first thing, the first action he took was to release those findings.

01:47:20.000 It says specifically in the IG report that actions I took or failed to take in no way contributed to the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

01:47:27.000 But most people don't have access to the Inspector General's report or don't take the time to go look for it.

01:47:32.000 No, they really have besmirched your name.

01:47:35.000 Yes, they have.

01:47:36.000 And then, when they do a separate investigation on Guantanamo Bay, the recommendation is that they reprimand General Miller for letting interrogations get out of control, even though he was directed to do those things.

01:47:49.000 And his boss said, no, I'm not going to reprimand him.

01:47:52.000 And his boss just happened to be the former military aide to Secretary Rumsfeld.

01:47:58.000 So they're all proving that their hands are dirty.

01:48:01.000 I want people to think about this.

01:48:03.000 One is covering up the other for the other for the other.

01:48:06.000 I want people to think about the fact that our current Attorney General, the supposed guy enforcing all these laws, He's writing memos saying Bush is above the law and the law flows from him, saying he's an emperor.

01:48:18.000 I mean, that's the actual memo.

01:48:20.000 Saying torture's good.

01:48:21.000 I want people to realize that General Shoemaker is the guy who sent Delta Force in at Waco.

01:48:28.000 I want people to know that they are now putting in a constellation, a gaggle, of people that are willing to do this.

01:48:36.000 I tell you, General, this is really scary.

01:48:39.000 Well, this scares me, too, and I agree with you because They have rewritten the dictionary.

01:48:45.000 There's a prisoner of war and then there's an Iraqi detainee or a prisoner, an Iraqi criminal and then there's this category of security detainees that seem to be apart from any of the Geneva Conventions and not subject to the rules that military personnel have followed for years.

01:49:02.000 Now you bring into that equation contractors who are not subject to the UCMJ or appear to be above the rules.

01:49:12.000 We haven't gotten it right yet, although the bill, unfortunately, moves in the right direction.

01:49:17.000 And now, well, at least it forced Bush to go public and say he's for torture.

01:49:20.000 I mean, it really put the spotlight on these guys, but I just can't believe we're even having to sit here and debate this and talk about this, but they are being exposed.

01:49:30.000 Our final segment with the General, I might take a call or two, but we're also going to plug her book, so get your pens and paper ready for that.

01:49:38.000 We'll be right back on the other side.

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01:52:58.000 I'm not sure.

01:52:59.000 Here in about five minutes and about eight after we're going to have Scott Ritter, the UN weapons inspector, the brave marine that blew the whistle on the lies day one before this whole nightmare started.

01:53:11.000 And boy has he been proven to be correct.

01:53:14.000 I don't want to hear from people that, well, you know, something this big, it would come out.

01:53:19.000 We would know.

01:53:20.000 On every front, from the financial war profiteering, to the attack on the Bill of Rights, to protecting terrorist groups, to, you know, all of this, that this current cabal is engaged in, it all has come out.

01:53:37.000 People do blow the whistle.

01:53:38.000 People do tell the truth.

01:53:40.000 But a lot of the news media, owned by the very financial interests that stand to gain from this, try to suspend it.

01:53:46.000 That's why the alternative media is exploding in size, because people aren't buying it anymore.

01:53:50.000 The General has graciously decided to stay with us over five minutes to the next hour, so we can get to Tony and Larry and a few others, and we're about to go to your calls.

01:53:59.000 But the new book by General Janice Barpinski is One Woman's Army. 0.94

01:54:07.000 One Woman's Arming. 1.00

01:54:10.000 And General, tell us a little bit about the book and tell us about the publisher and some of the websites.

01:54:16.000 The book is really about my, from when I grew up wanting to be in the military and my military career and what led me to promotion to Brigadier General and then my assignment as the commander of the 800th MP Brigade.

01:54:30.000 I felt like I really needed to reestablish my credibility Because it was widely destroyed by the spin from linking my name to those, exclusively my name, to those photographs and my leadership failures.

01:54:47.000 It was important.

01:54:49.000 It was an important story to tell.

01:54:50.000 I wanted women especially, but people around the world to understand that there are conscientious people in the military and we serve for a variety of reasons.

01:55:01.000 Abu Ghraib and Iraq was a situation that was clearly out of control.

01:55:06.000 And certainly not, we weren't able to rein it in on my watch.

01:55:11.000 And this is of course published by Miramax Books.

01:55:15.000 And for those that, also General, kind of out of left field here, have you ever heard of P2OG?

01:55:21.000 No.

01:55:24.000 Well, that's a secret Pentagon paper and Pentagon operation group with funding of upwards of six billion dollars per year.

01:55:32.000 And it was formed on the eve of the Gulf War by Donald Rumsfeld.

01:55:36.000 Just type P-2-O-G into Google. 0.64

01:55:38.000 Most people in the military don't feel bad.

01:55:39.000 I've never even heard of it because it's another compartmentalized group.

01:55:42.000 Where Rumsfeld said, stimulate terrorist attacks.

01:55:45.000 have breakdown and that actually his goal was to, we have an Israeli document from 83 saying this too, is to have Iraq in turmoil, in civil war, never being a strong area and then using it as a launch base to then attack Syria and Iran.

01:56:00.000 So in a way they actually want to fail so we have an excuse to stay there longer and build those permanent bases.

01:56:06.000 Would you like to comment on that?

01:56:08.000 I would because from July of 2003 when we arrived in Iraq It really did seem like we would only be there for a couple more months.

01:56:17.000 Things to the north and the south of Baghdad seemed to be generally peaceful and returning to life as it was, and certainly back under Iraqi control.

01:56:27.000 But Baghdad and the surrounding vicinity, including the Sunni Triangle, was very resistant.

01:56:32.000 And somehow they capitalized on that.

01:56:35.000 Instead of exploiting the peace, they capitalized on the insurgent activity and made the situation completely worse.

01:56:43.000 And it grew increasingly worse over the next months.

01:56:47.000 After they captured Uday, or killed Uday and Kuse in that operation in Seoul, the insurgents were more active than ever and they were becoming Uh, more accurate than ever before. 0.95

01:56:58.000 Well, also, I mean, the military's not stupid.

01:57:00.000 I've talked to so many, you know, experts who were in Vietnam fighting insurgencies.

01:57:04.000 If one person shoots at you from a little village, you don't arrest every man down to the age of 11.

01:57:10.000 You don't bulldoze all their date palms.

01:57:13.000 I mean, you just made enemies.

01:57:14.000 But they did this over and over again.

01:57:16.000 Over and over again, and they took the women as hostages so they could get the men to come in, to turn themselves in.

01:57:24.000 I mean, everything you could think of that would insult an Arab mindset and an Arab family.

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01:58:08.000 Well, an amazing lady, and I've researched the facts, nothing to do with The torture criticized having areas of her command basically taken away and given to internal minions of military intelligence and private torture contractors. 1.00

01:58:26.000 And she's got her new book out.

01:58:28.000 I hope that she'll get it.

01:58:30.000 And this is our final segment where we're going to take a few final calls.

01:58:34.000 Brigadier General Janice Arpinski.

01:58:37.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Tony in Arkansas and Larry in Louisiana.

01:58:40.000 That's all we have time for.

01:58:41.000 Then Scott Ritter is coming on.

01:58:42.000 Tony, go ahead.

01:58:43.000 Hi Alex.

01:58:44.000 God bless you General for your courage.

01:58:46.000 There's a lot of us out here to support you and thank you for your courage as an American to come forward with this.

01:58:50.000 And I appreciate that.

01:58:52.000 Thank you.

01:58:52.000 I just wanted to ask you to make a couple of comments if you could real quickly on Kevin P. Burns, the Firing Force Sergeant General Kevin P. Burns.

01:58:59.000 What is the information on that?

01:59:00.000 From my understanding, you cannot fire someone like that without a court-martial or an act of Congress.

01:59:07.000 And secondly, have you heard anything about his whereabouts, if you had any knowledge at all?

01:59:11.000 And I'll listen off the air.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, the suspicious firing of Burns just a few months before he was going to retire anyways, and then it turned out he was already getting a divorce, and they said, oh, well, he had a girlfriend, but was off base, who wasn't military, and that's not normal.

01:59:13.000 Thank you.

01:59:28.000 Well, it's his personal life.

01:59:30.000 I mean, if the man is separated from his spouse, it's up to him what he thinks is correct or what isn't correct to do.

01:59:37.000 Very suspicious!

01:59:40.000 Yeah, he probably was critical of Rumsfeld or the direction the war was taking, and they found a way to finish him off.

01:59:49.000 I don't know where he's gone from now, or actually what he's doing.

01:59:56.000 In fact, the caller was correct.

01:59:59.000 It does take the Senate Armed Services Committee or an act of Congress to demote a general officer.

02:00:05.000 But the Washington Post just said, I'm sold firing.

02:00:08.000 Well, that's correct because under this administration, you know, the gloves are off.

02:00:12.000 They can do whatever they want and nobody challenges them.

02:00:14.000 It doesn't matter what federal law is in 230 years of the way we run the military.

02:00:19.000 Or what we voted on or what our leaders have passed.

02:00:23.000 None of that makes a difference.

02:00:25.000 I mean, George Washington was, again, commissioned by Congress.

02:00:28.000 Congress does this, not the President.

02:00:31.000 Okay, it's called separation of powers.

02:00:33.000 Larry in Louisiana.

02:00:34.000 Larry, make it quick.

02:00:35.000 Go ahead, sir.

02:00:37.000 Thank you.

02:00:38.000 What is your view on the use of depleted uranium munitions?

02:00:41.000 Are they omni-kill weapons?

02:00:43.000 Are they multi-generational kill weapons?

02:00:45.000 And should they be used, and are they necessary?

02:00:47.000 I mean, the Army's own manuals say it's very dangerous to breathe, but now the neocons say it's nutritious.

02:00:47.000 Yeah, let's bring that up.

02:00:53.000 General?

02:00:54.000 I don't have a comment on it because I don't have enough information to make a comment.

02:00:59.000 But I do know that there were an awful lot of decisions that were made that were governed by the neocons from Washington, D.C.

02:01:05.000 and and injured soldiers in the process.

02:01:09.000 General, we've got to have you back on sometime.

02:01:12.000 Obviously an hour is not enough, but just talk about what you witnessed in Iraq and what it was like to be under continual bombardment and then to have part of the prison walled off by people out of your authority and then I mean, I don't know how they could try to scapegoat you when it was part of the record that you weren't in control of that wing of the prison.

02:01:33.000 Because they thought it was going to be easy to do so, and they believed that they would be able to silence soldiers from giving sworn statements to the contrary.

02:01:41.000 And soldiers will not lie.

02:01:42.000 They'll answer honestly.

02:01:46.000 And soldiers have been telling the truth.

02:01:49.000 And I know the truth.

02:01:50.000 I knew the truth all along.

02:01:52.000 So I will just continue to pursue it.

02:01:54.000 Well General, I really appreciate you joining us and tell us, just in the last 30 seconds here, a little bit more about your book.

02:02:02.000 I think that the book is not a story about Abu Ghraib, however it culminates with my career and how I got to Abu Ghraib.

02:02:11.000 And credibility is established, and then you can understand another side of the story.

02:02:15.000 And I think that people need to understand all sides of the story.

02:02:19.000 One woman's army. 1.00

02:02:21.000 One woman's army. 1.00

02:02:22.000 We've all got to tell everybody.

02:02:23.000 Anytime you hear about General, you know, being demonized, Karpinski, tell them the truth.

02:02:29.000 General, thanks again, and I look forward to having you back on in the future.

02:02:32.000 Well, thank you.

02:02:33.000 I look forward to it as well.

02:02:34.000 God bless.

02:02:35.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, and good questions, callers.

02:02:39.000 We'll be right back with Mr. Ritter.

02:02:41.000 Stay with us.

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02:10:14.000 Alright, let's go now to our guest, who I appreciate holding, and his new book, folks, is Iraq Confidential, is a dramatic, never-before-told expose of intelligence espionage by a staunch patriot the CIA wanted to silence.

02:10:31.000 This first-hand account reveals in detail how the CIA manipulated and sabotaged the work of UN departments to achieve the US's hidden, and I'd say a criminal group in the US's, hidden foreign policy agenda in the Middle East.

02:10:44.000 Iraq Confidential is an astonishing revelation of the CIA's imperial arrogance.

02:10:50.000 And Scott Ritter, U.N.

02:10:52.000 Weapons Inspector, a major in the Marine Corps, totally vindicated, joins us.

02:10:57.000 We've seen the repercussions he's been through, others have been through.

02:11:01.000 We've seen what they tried to do to the Ambassador's wife. 0.94

02:11:05.000 All of that now coming home to roost.

02:11:07.000 Good to have you on, Mr. Ritter.

02:11:08.000 It's my pleasure, thank you.

02:11:10.000 You bet.

02:11:11.000 The new book, I Write Confidential, I mean, it's a slam dunk.

02:11:16.000 It just codifies even more evidence of the premeditated lies bringing us to war.

02:11:22.000 Break it down for us.

02:11:23.000 Well, I mean, I hesitate to use the term slam dunk because that's been spoiled by George Tenet making the opposite case.

02:11:31.000 No, this book... That was my intention.

02:11:32.000 No, I mean, look, today we're in Iraq and I think it's widely acknowledged, regardless of where you stood before the war, that it's an unmitigated disaster.

02:11:43.000 I mean, we're We're up to our neck in a mess of our own making.

02:11:49.000 And now we're having a discussion about, you know, how do we get out of this?

02:11:53.000 What's the solution?

02:11:55.000 And one of the things I've always, you know, said, and this is what I was taught as an intelligence officer, that you can't solve a problem until you first define the problem.

02:12:05.000 And on Iraq, you know, we still haven't come to grips with the fact that our government misled us.

02:12:11.000 We've had three Reports issued, one by the CIA, the Iraq Survey Group, one by the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, one by the President's own Commission on WMD and Intelligence, that say, oops, we got it wrong.

02:12:23.000 I mean, intelligence is a tough business, and sometimes you get it wrong.

02:12:27.000 And that's all that happened here, guys, is it was an honest mistake.

02:12:31.000 And what I try to say, and I show in my book, I don't try to show, I definitely show it, that this is absurd.

02:12:37.000 That the CIA knew that Iraq had been fundamentally disarmed.

02:12:40.000 The CIA knew That the numbers that it was passing on to the President were deceptive, were misleading, were falsified.

02:12:50.000 And I back this up further by reminding Americans, and because they do need to be reminded, that this was never about disarmament.

02:12:58.000 I mean, I don't know why we all got fooled, at least some of us got fooled into believing that George W. Bush wanted to disarm Iraq, because Bill Clinton before him did not want to disarm Iraq.

02:13:09.000 And George Bush's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, didn't want to disarm Iraq.

02:13:14.000 The only policy objective that was in play during the entire decade of the 90s was regime change.

02:13:20.000 And disarmament, the work of the weapons inspectors, was only useful insofar as it facilitated regime change, either by providing an excuse for the maintenance of economic sanctions that killed between 700,000 and 2.2 million Iraqis during the 1990s, or, to use a Trojan horse,

02:13:37.000 uh... as a vehicle for committing espionage against us and I was saying gathering intelligence so that uh... the CIA could target him with the various coup attempts and you know this corrupted the integrity of the inspection effort and basically created a condition where you know the American public was preconditioned to accept at face value anything negative about Iraq Without question.

02:14:00.000 If anybody dared raise their hand, as I did, and said, well, wait a minute, I'm not out here to support Saddam, but the facts are, what they're telling you is not true.

02:14:08.000 You immediately became associated as being pro-Saddam, therefore, your information was discarded.

02:14:14.000 Well, we're talking to Scott Ritter, who of course is one of the U.S.

02:14:17.000 weapons inspectors over there.

02:14:18.000 I mean, several points.

02:14:21.000 Number one, you say that now everybody agrees and everybody knows.

02:14:25.000 Even the White House admits there's no WMDs, but The neocontact radio people, they still say they found them and they had them.

02:14:33.000 I remember for like three months when they first invaded, in 03 in March, every day they found a new nerve gas shell.

02:14:40.000 Of course it would show the inspector unscrewing the top and sticking their nose in it, as if anybody who really thinks you're dealing with chemical weapons sticks your nose in it.

02:14:48.000 I mean, give me a break, folks.

02:14:49.000 I mean, you don't even mess with them if you think they're chemical.

02:14:51.000 You ship them off to be destroyed.

02:14:54.000 We have all these other problems happening and then now Rumsfeld's gotten on TV and said it was never about WMDs.

02:15:01.000 I never said they had WMDs.

02:15:03.000 It's an urban legend.

02:15:04.000 So now we've kind of reached a level of Orwellian doublespeak that is just staggering.

02:15:10.000 Now it's about Bringing them democracy!

02:15:12.000 That's what we were always there for!

02:15:14.000 And then you leave and look at that!

02:15:15.000 That's a fraud!

02:15:16.000 They've given it back to the Ba'athists, and they've broken the place up, and the Constitution doesn't really give anybody any freedom. 1.00

02:15:23.000 I mean, it's a total fraud, that?

02:15:24.000 That's a fraud, too!

02:15:26.000 Right, and again, the best way for people to come to grips with this is to understand that this was a fraud from day one.

02:15:32.000 That there's no master plan.

02:15:34.000 It's not as though the United States came into Iraq with any good intent in our heart.

02:15:39.000 This was an agenda carried out by a radical element of the US government that required, in order to succeed, the deception of deceiving the American public.

02:15:54.000 I am not a lawyer, but I am enough of a student of the law to know that when you deliberately When you tell a lie in the conduct of your official duty, that's a felony.

02:16:06.000 It's called a frame-up.

02:16:07.000 It's called a frame-up, bearing false witness.

02:16:09.000 Yeah, and it's a crime.

02:16:10.000 I mean, you know, we have an interesting situation here today though, you know, I'm no fan of... Yeah, if I claim my neighbor is robbing banks, and the cops go raid his house, and find out I just made that up, I'm going to jail!

02:16:20.000 That's right, and you know, Bill Clinton, and I'm no fan of Bill Clinton, but when he...

02:16:24.000 You know, he lied about a personal issue to a grand jury, and Congress screamed impeachment.

02:16:29.000 The fact is, they did impeach him.

02:16:30.000 It didn't make it, but they impeached him.

02:16:32.000 Now you have Kay Bailey Hutchins, a senator from Texas, saying about Karl Rove and Scooter Libby and others, I hope that they're not going to be indicted for some perjury thing like that.

02:16:44.000 I mean, you know, the fact that they might have said something that wasn't true to a grand jury, I mean, that's not really a big deal.

02:16:51.000 No, it's a huge deal, Kay Bailey, and if that's how you feel... Yeah, we went to war!

02:16:55.000 We got thousands of dead troops! 1.00

02:16:56.000 100,000 dead Iraqis, you witch! 1.00

02:16:58.000 It's the law! 0.99

02:17:00.000 It's the law, and if she thinks that perjury is okay, she should probably resign. 0.67

02:17:05.000 Because, I don't know about you, but...

02:17:09.000 If that was my Senator, saying it's okay to break the law... Well, she is my Senator.

02:17:15.000 Yeah, I know she is.

02:17:16.000 She's not mine, but she's yours, and she's your listeners, and she should be run out of office for saying that.

02:17:23.000 I know, it's just Twilight Zone weird.

02:17:26.000 Stay there, talking to Mr. Ritter, Scott Ritter.

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02:21:44.000 Well, this is a good song this is a good song with Scott Ritter, the UN Weapons Inspector.

02:22:06.000 Scott, I mean, in the early days, when did you finally decide to start going public?

02:22:13.000 When did you finally start deciding to go, look, this is all lies.

02:22:16.000 I mean, your book's about the many years before that, being in Iraq, knowing the truth.

02:22:21.000 And then secondarily, how did they get other inspectors above you, or people they'd replace you with, to come out and lie?

02:22:29.000 And then now they've been forced to admit, quote, they were wrong.

02:22:32.000 Well, they weren't wrong.

02:22:33.000 I mean, they were lying, weren't they?

02:22:35.000 Well, first of all, they would get former inspectors.

02:22:38.000 I don't think they got any inspectors on duty.

02:22:41.000 They come out and lie.

02:22:42.000 You know, I was an inspector from 91 to 98, and we knew early on in 91 that we had a problem with the United States, that the United States had a policy of regime change that was corrupting the integrity of our operation.

02:22:54.000 But, you know, the United States was also a member of the Security Council of the United Nations.

02:22:58.000 There's a lot of people out there that badmouth the U.N. 1.00

02:23:01.000 I'm not here to defend a bureaucracy that definitely needs some reforming, but we should never forget that the United Nations... Our government founded the U.N.

02:23:01.000 And pick on the U.N.

02:23:10.000 and it basically runs it.

02:23:12.000 It's a club, and we have rules.

02:23:14.000 It's called the Charter.

02:23:15.000 And when the United States decides not to play by the rules, and yet tell everybody else to play by the rules, that corrupts the integrity of that organization.

02:23:26.000 And the United States was a member of the Security Council, It voted for a resolution calling for the disarmament of Iraq. 0.61

02:23:31.000 It promised that if Iraq cooperated, sanctions would be lifted.

02:23:35.000 And then it turns around and says, guess what?

02:23:37.000 Now that we have sanctions in place, they're never going to be lifted until Saddam Hussein is removed from power, which was never part of the original equation.

02:23:44.000 And so this had a hugely detrimental effect.

02:23:49.000 On the work of the inspectors.

02:23:50.000 Well, we also know that for the year of the build-up, when they were quote, dealing with Saddam and offering deals and stuff, that Bush had already told Tony Blair, we are attacking them in the spring.

02:24:03.000 I mean, it was all, you know, that four-day ultimatum.

02:24:03.000 End of story.

02:24:08.000 I mean, all of that was just theater.

02:24:10.000 Yes.

02:24:11.000 Well, and going to the United Nations was theater.

02:24:14.000 It dramatically backfired, you know, blew up in the face of the Bush administration.

02:24:18.000 Why do you think Powell played along with that and went and lied for him and now says he's embarrassed?

02:24:23.000 I mean, ultimately, Colin Powell will be judged by history by that one day.

02:24:23.000 Well, I don't know.

02:24:27.000 Here's a man who had, you know, by any account, a distinguished career, working for several administrations, and he blew it all in one day because he didn't have the courage to stand up and say no if he had resigned.

02:24:41.000 If he'd come out and said, I'm not going to play this game, I'm not going to fabricate, I'm not going to lie, this is my letter of resignation, and furthermore, as an American, once I resign, Mr. President, I'm going to tell the people the truth about your administration.

02:24:52.000 You know, he'd be a hero today.

02:24:54.000 He'd probably be presidential material.

02:24:54.000 He'd be a hero.

02:24:56.000 Well, Scott, why did you refuse to lie?

02:24:58.000 I mean, you're sitting there and you know you're going to get major heat for doing this, and what if people come after folks?

02:25:06.000 It's not an option.

02:25:07.000 You know, the Marine Corps doesn't condone liars.

02:25:11.000 They don't take liars into their ranks.

02:25:14.000 Everything the Marine Corps taught me, everything my parents taught me, everything life taught me, is that you tell the truth.

02:25:19.000 You've got to stand by your actions.

02:25:22.000 If you're going to say something, then defend it.

02:25:25.000 If people come after you, stand your ground.

02:25:28.000 If you're right, you'll win.

02:25:31.000 That's just the approach.

02:25:34.000 And when you have a society where everybody rolls over, I mean, it's a slippery slope.

02:25:34.000 Absolutely.

02:25:40.000 I mean, this is tyranny we're talking about.

02:25:42.000 It is.

02:25:42.000 Especially, you know, the checks and balances that are in place have failed egregiously.

02:25:47.000 You know, Congress has totally abrogated its responsibilities.

02:25:49.000 And again, Kay Bailey Hutchins.

02:25:52.000 She must be held accountable for that attitude, for that mindset.

02:25:55.000 What would you like to see happen?

02:25:57.000 What would you like?

02:25:58.000 I mean, in a perfect world, Scott Ritter's king for a day, what would happen?

02:26:02.000 Well, I mean, things are so badly, but the first thing I'd like to happen is to purge Congress of everybody who voted yes for that war.

02:26:09.000 If you voted yes for that war, and you haven't come out and repudiated that vote, said I made a mistake, that I was misled, And that I won't continue to vote to support this war, then you have no right representing the United States, the American people.

02:26:23.000 Well, I agree, there's a type of schizophrenia.

02:26:25.000 I know so many Democrats that hate the war and hate Bush, but they love Hillary, they love Chuckie Schumer. 0.96

02:26:32.000 That's the hypocrisy of it, because Hillary Clinton, she's the same problem, just coded, you know, dressed differently. 1.00

02:26:40.000 She has embraced the same Neoconservative type foreign policies that the Bush administration put out.

02:26:49.000 She can't articulate anything different.

02:26:51.000 How she would do things different.

02:26:53.000 Stay the course in Iraq. 1.00

02:26:54.000 Stay the course in Afghanistan. 1.00

02:26:56.000 She doesn't have any original thought.

02:26:58.000 She's so weak in the field of foreign policy and national security that she has no choice but to mimic The far right wing of the Republican Party, out of fear of having their weakness exposed.

02:27:09.000 I've actually had arguments with Democrats. 0.89

02:27:11.000 Most of them, it's like they have a mental block.

02:27:13.000 No, the Democrats didn't vote for the war.

02:27:15.000 Yes, they did.

02:27:16.000 In some cases, they're voting more with Bush than Republicans are. 0.97

02:27:20.000 It's unbelievably disgusting. 0.97

02:27:22.000 Scott, stay there.

02:27:24.000 I want to talk about what's happening with the war now, and where you think it's all going, and talk about your new book, Iraq Confidential.

02:27:30.000 Pam will take some calls. 0.99

02:27:32.000 Stay with us, folks.

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02:30:44.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

02:30:52.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:30:55.000 You know, the CIA would like you to believe that it was just a few rogue people in there.

02:31:07.000 And obviously it is compartmentalized that we're putting out fake intelligence.

02:31:11.000 But we're going to talk a little bit about the history of sabotage continually.

02:31:17.000 And trying to inject lies perpetually into the weapons inspection process.

02:31:22.000 But talking to Scott Ritter, United Nations weapons inspector who bravely went public.

02:31:31.000 I'm not going to be part of these lies.

02:31:33.000 There are no WMDs when our government knows it.

02:31:36.000 Scott, look at this article last week.

02:31:38.000 Financial Times of London.

02:31:39.000 I'm sure you heard about this.

02:31:40.000 Cheney, Cabal, hijack U.S.

02:31:41.000 foreign policy.

02:31:42.000 We've got Colin Powell's chief deputy, a bunch of other people.

02:31:45.000 And these are Rockefeller, Republican, New World Order types themselves.

02:31:49.000 Well, one of the things that strikes me, first of all, the United States isn't playing it right.

02:31:54.000 Isn't this kind of good cop, bad cop?

02:31:55.000 Either you accept the U.N. in there telling you to let us inspect and take your country over, or we'll sit in the evil neocon right-wingers.

02:32:04.000 Basically, I've brought up a couple of different points, but would you like to comment on those?

02:32:10.000 Well, one of the things that strikes me, I mean, first of all, the United States isn't playing it right.

02:32:15.000 It's not about good cop, bad cop.

02:32:17.000 It's about due processes.

02:32:20.000 It's about doing the right thing.

02:32:23.000 You know, if you want to take out Saddam, be honest about it, let's have that debate, etc.

02:32:27.000 But we told the world we simply wanted to get rid of weapons of mass destruction, and then we create the double standard.

02:32:33.000 We create the new mission objective, and we're not honest about it.

02:32:36.000 And I find it peculiar.

02:32:38.000 I mean, again, I'm glad that Colonel Wilkerson and others are speaking out now, but it's just a little too cute for them to be jumping ship now that it's sinking.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, but what did Mark Twain say?

02:32:53.000 He said, in the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time, when his cause succeeds, the temment join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

02:33:03.000 And these people will not pay a price, and they should.

02:33:06.000 I mean, Wilkerson was around.

02:33:08.000 When Powell gave his speech, Wilkerson's quite aware of the falsification of data that took place.

02:33:14.000 For those who don't know, tell us about Wilkerson.

02:33:16.000 Well, he's a colonel who's a military aide to Colin Powell, and he's been a loyal aide.

02:33:22.000 It'll cut out the same piece of cloth that Powell is, where you don't speak out against your superiors, you salute smartly.

02:33:28.000 But one of the problems is they forget that his oath isn't to Colin Powell, his oath isn't to the President.

02:33:35.000 His oath is to the Constitution of the United States of America.

02:33:38.000 Good point.

02:33:38.000 A lot of people think patriotism is worshipping whoever the leader is, and folks, that's called dictatorship.

02:33:44.000 Yeah, it's very dangerous.

02:33:45.000 You know, Theodore Roosevelt, again, I'll paraphrase it because I don't have the exact quote, but, you know, not to criticize a president, especially during times of war, is not only, you know, morally cowardly, but it bores on treasonous.

02:33:58.000 I mean, it's our duty and responsibility as American citizens To hold our elected representatives accountable for what they do in our name.

02:34:06.000 We cannot accept the notion of you're either with us or against us.

02:34:10.000 That's absurd in a democracy.

02:34:13.000 Or really absurd in a constitutional republic.

02:34:16.000 Absolutely.

02:34:17.000 Because you know the danger of a pure democracy You're going to get the lecture, because if I don't, I'll get the lecture.

02:34:22.000 You'll get the lecture.

02:34:23.000 Well, it's important.

02:34:24.000 I mean, I know what you're saying.

02:34:26.000 I'm not trying to lecture, but in a democracy, 51% of people say, take that guy's land, it happens.

02:34:31.000 But in a republic, there's even more safeguards where the minority's rights are protected as well as the majority.

02:34:37.000 Absolutely.

02:34:38.000 Well, that's what the Constitution is supposed to do, is protect... You know, it's not there for the majority.

02:34:43.000 It's there for the minority.

02:34:44.000 It's there to make sure that we don't have the tyranny of the majority.

02:34:49.000 Well, you're right, Scott.

02:34:50.000 Where does all this go?

02:34:51.000 I mean, if they just burn a Scooter Libby or a Rove and then Bush pardons them, and they go and get CEO jobs at $15 million a year, I mean, they're just little mid-level functionaries.

02:35:06.000 I mean, what would you like to see happen?

02:35:08.000 People need to be punished.

02:35:09.000 I mean, I know you said, you know, clean Congress out.

02:35:12.000 I totally agree with you.

02:35:16.000 I mean, something more.

02:35:17.000 I mean, I think the President needs to go to prison.

02:35:20.000 Well, yeah.

02:35:21.000 I mean, in an ideal world, first of all, let's be fair, we can't convict somebody until we try.

02:35:27.000 So I think the President should be investigated to determine whether or not he has committed a crime.

02:35:33.000 And if a crime has been committed, then the president must be held accountable, fully accountable to the rule of law.

02:35:39.000 But that should be by a grand jury.

02:35:41.000 It shouldn't be by some blue ribbon committee he appoints. 0.52

02:35:43.000 No, of course not.

02:35:45.000 It should, you know, if it's not going to be by Congress, then it needs to be by a grand jury.

02:35:50.000 It needs to be the civil crimes.

02:35:51.000 But I'm also someone that says, look, if we're going to go after Bush, and I'm all for it, we've got to go after Clinton.

02:35:59.000 We've got to go after the people in the Clinton administration.

02:36:04.000 We've got to make sure that we set the record straight that this isn't about partisan bashing, bush bashing.

02:36:12.000 That's how they control us.

02:36:14.000 This is about reasserting the rule of law as set forth by the Constitution and reasserting You know, the power of the people.

02:36:22.000 Well, also government.

02:36:24.000 I mean, as you know, Scott, it's gotten too big for its britches.

02:36:26.000 Across the board, it's time for them to learn some humility and stop having this imperial hubris.

02:36:32.000 Yeah, and there's no doubt about it.

02:36:34.000 You know, it's also time for the American people maybe to reacquaint themselves with the Constitution.

02:36:40.000 Read the opening paragraph, We the People of the United States.

02:36:43.000 I mean, it's our document.

02:36:44.000 It's our country.

02:36:44.000 It's our life.

02:36:46.000 It is America.

02:36:47.000 We don't do very well by, you know, We don't serve our role as citizens by allowing an oligarchy or this tyranny of the minority to govern without any checks and balances.

02:37:01.000 Absolutely.

02:37:03.000 Beautifully said.

02:37:05.000 And folks, by pushing, by speaking, by getting involved, Democrats, you have to stop mindlessly supporting Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.

02:37:13.000 I mean, why do you think she has a four-hour dinner every week, according to the New York Daily News and New York Observer, with Rupert Murdoch?

02:37:20.000 It's all staged.

02:37:22.000 Why do you think Clinton constantly vacations with the Bushes?

02:37:26.000 It is an insider cabal and it's got to be removed.

02:37:32.000 How do you see that happening, Scott?

02:37:34.000 Well, again, I mean, it's not going to happen, A, until people wake up.

02:37:39.000 And you're right, you mentioned it earlier.

02:37:40.000 You know, we have the Russian limbaus of the world, the Sean Hannity's, and these other millied mouth, you know, whatever you want to call them, people... Liberals, ultra left-wing extremists.

02:37:52.000 Or even right-wing.

02:37:53.000 Well, I'm being sarcastic here.

02:37:54.000 They claim they're conservative, and Bush has doubled the growth rate of the government.

02:37:58.000 It's pure bull.

02:37:59.000 But, you know, these guys are sitting there Just spouting lies, spouting vindictive, and they have brainwashed a certain portion of the country.

02:38:07.000 It doesn't matter now that the President himself has said there are no WMDs, that all WMDs were destroyed in the summer of 1991.

02:38:14.000 The President has recognized this.

02:38:16.000 These people still say, not only were there WMDs, but we found them, that this war is justified, and there's a certain element that believes this. 0.86

02:38:27.000 Unfortunately, we're going to have to sort of Push that element.

02:38:30.000 You don't want to hear the stuff I hear them say about you, and people I even know, and they've never served, they've never been over in Iraq for years in that hellhole. 0.96

02:38:38.000 They've never done all the things you've done in all these dangerous places, and then you say, yeah, he's a commie.

02:38:43.000 I don't like that, Ritter.

02:38:46.000 Look, there's enough Marine Corps left in me that if they really feel that way, They're welcome to come over here and say it to my face, and then we'll settle it the old-fashioned way. 0.99

02:38:58.000 Well, it's just so pathetic! 0.97

02:38:59.000 I'm an American patriot, and if you've got a problem with that, then I've got a problem with you. 0.99

02:39:05.000 It's just that easy.

02:39:07.000 But we shouldn't turn it to that level.

02:39:08.000 This should be about something a little bit more than my personal anger.

02:39:12.000 No, I know.

02:39:13.000 I'm just sick of all these little sycophants. 1.00

02:39:16.000 Well, of course.

02:39:17.000 But see, what happens is, when you engage people in a battle of ideas, And they come ill-equipped.

02:39:23.000 The first thing they'll do is attack the speaker, not the ideas.

02:39:29.000 They're going to shift.

02:39:30.000 The debate away from the issue at hand... I know, it's pure bull!

02:39:34.000 I mean, so obviously you've heard what I've heard, where they get on the radio every day, and they say they found the WNDs, and Scott Ritter's evil, and anybody else who's against it is evil.

02:39:45.000 Well, Ron Paul's against it, you know.

02:39:46.000 All these other real conservatives are against it. 0.66

02:39:49.000 I mean, it's a pack of lies!

02:39:51.000 But again, they are hanging themselves with a rope that they themselves wove.

02:39:56.000 Eventually, You know, the beauty of all this vindictive that they spew, and it's not just the far right, it's mainstream media.

02:40:05.000 Look, the New York Times is collapsing.

02:40:07.000 Around itself today because of the garbage that they allow the readerships lay down They're having to let go hundreds of people that exactly they did this and listen Scott.

02:40:17.000 I have Not even near you know the biggest Patriot You know old-line conservative truth-telling whatever you want to call it websites, but I'm bigger than major, Texas newspapers You know, just in the internet writings.

02:40:31.000 And we have millions and millions of listeners just on the internet and just viewing the website every week.

02:40:38.000 I mean, that's got to be hurting them.

02:40:40.000 And we read about how their readerships across the board in the last 10 years, the newspaper readership down by 60%.

02:40:45.000 The lion's share of that in the last two years.

02:40:49.000 Nobody has confidence in them anymore.

02:40:51.000 They've failed in their responsibility to serve the American public by telling the truth.

02:40:57.000 By telling the facts.

02:40:59.000 No, there is room for a position.

02:41:03.000 That's called the editorial page.

02:41:04.000 And I have no problem with a publisher saying, okay, this is who I am, and so here's my editorial page.

02:41:11.000 Then they have something called the op-ed page, where they can publish, you know, opposing points of view.

02:41:17.000 That's wonderful, because you know, when we open up a newspaper and we see it, we know what we're getting.

02:41:21.000 But when they take their editorializing into the news and start shaping stories, fabricating stories, And basically spoon-feeding things that aren't a reflection of reality to their readership, they've failed.

02:41:35.000 And the New York Times did that, the Washington Post... Well Scott, what you've said has proven it.

02:41:40.000 They like to act like it's just Bush and these frothing neokinds, but really the American establishment and Congress use them as their frontmen or their shock troops in this, and that's what I wanted to bring up to you, this larger program. 0.96

02:41:56.000 There's the Pentagon program of P-2-O-G, where Rumsfeld said, we want to stimulate terror attacks.

02:42:03.000 We want things to break down.

02:42:04.000 We want civil war. 0.98

02:42:05.000 We want a weak government.

02:42:07.000 We want, in failing, we win, because then we get to stay there for decades.

02:42:12.000 Your take on that?

02:42:14.000 Well, I think that, again, I have trouble giving the Pentagon credit for having, you know, this detailed conspiracy I'm sure that this is there, etc.

02:42:29.000 But they're making it up every day.

02:42:31.000 It's not as though they're working off a master plan.

02:42:34.000 What we're seeing is incompetence personified.

02:42:36.000 Rumsfeld and Cheney and the rest of them have hoodwinked everybody because they get on national TV and the media throws softball questions to them and they have this calm demeanor and they speak high and mighty.

02:42:49.000 Everybody goes, wow, these guys know what they're talking about. 0.97

02:42:52.000 But when push comes to shove, You know, they're liars. 0.97

02:42:56.000 There's no depth to them. 0.98

02:42:58.000 They're very thin in terms of... But Scott, you just said it.

02:43:00.000 It's not a conspiracy theory.

02:43:01.000 The New York Times, the Washington Post, suppose that liberal bastions, corporate interests, wanted this war, so they let the neocons be the instruments of that.

02:43:09.000 They then take the fall for it, at least a partial fall, and P-2-O-G is real. 1.00

02:43:15.000 A year before the war, Rumsfeld sang... I mean, there's a 1983 Israeli plan to use America to invade.

02:43:22.000 Yeah, I know, I know.

02:43:24.000 I'm aware of all this and I know that there's elements inside the Bush administration, especially Donald Rumsfeld's associates, you know, Doug Fyfe, Wolfowitz and others, who long ago You know, it crossed the line of serving America, and they started serving another country out there, Israel.

02:43:44.000 And they started putting Israeli... Well, my point is that Israel publicly had the plan to have Iraq in civil war. 0.64

02:43:54.000 Well, from the Israeli perspective, yeah.

02:43:56.000 This dates back to the Iran-Iraq War, where we said it's good to have the Iranians and Iraqis killing each other. 1.00

02:44:04.000 Exactly.

02:44:05.000 Tell us a little bit about the book, and then I want to take some calls, Scott.

02:44:07.000 Well, again, the book sets the record straight.

02:44:09.000 It puts down in great detail.

02:44:11.000 I call it the Rosetta Stone for the situation in Iraq today.

02:44:16.000 Once you understand the reality of, you know, What existed, who was doing what, before we went in.

02:44:24.000 So it's all the background, all the components, it's the alphabet to be able to read the Sanskrit.

02:44:29.000 Absolutely.

02:44:30.000 You read this book, and then you go back and review the speeches that people are giving today, and it'll just come right to you.

02:44:36.000 You know it's premeditated bull.

02:44:39.000 That's right.

02:44:40.000 Well, apparently a lot of things.

02:44:42.000 Well, what amazes me is that it takes somebody like Jon Stewart, a comedian, to point out that he's lying.

02:44:48.000 away with it I mean it is really I mean Rumsfeld gets on TV now and says I never said there were WMDs well what amazes me is that it takes somebody like Jon Stewart a comedian to to to point out that he's lying you know Jon Stewart will play that clip and then he goes back and plays another clip why isn't CBS News Why isn't ABC News doing that?

02:45:07.000 Why isn't NBC doing that?

02:45:08.000 Showing the hypocrisy and the lies?

02:45:10.000 Yeah, one time on Face the Nation, they just read a quote after he said it. 0.65

02:45:14.000 And he literally turned red.

02:45:16.000 Let's talk to Jake in Texas.

02:45:18.000 Jake, thanks for holding.

02:45:19.000 You're on the air with Scott Ritter.

02:45:21.000 Hey Alex and Scott, how's it going?

02:45:23.000 Hey, I wanted to hear y'all's prediction.

02:45:26.000 Once everybody finds out the war was a fraud and everybody starts waking up to this, What's going to happen?

02:45:34.000 I mean, we know they want to go after Syria and Iran. 0.92

02:45:38.000 Well, notice the mainstream media says, even if Bush is bad and lying, we've still got to stay the course.

02:45:45.000 We owe it to the troops to keep them in the meat grinder. 0.89

02:45:47.000 Scott?

02:45:48.000 Well, and that's the sad case, is that right now American troops will die for somebody's political fortune.

02:45:55.000 But somehow it backs them up to keep them there when they're not even needed.

02:45:58.000 And then Bush two weeks ago said, we've trained 80 groups of Iraqis, 80 groups of security forces, and then the military admits there's two groups.

02:46:09.000 Yeah, no, it's absurd.

02:46:11.000 And when you talk about Syria and Iran, today we have John Bolton giving a speech at the United Nations, where he's accusing the UN of not standing up to its obligations, da-da-da-da.

02:46:22.000 He's setting the stage for a potential unilateral action by the United States against Syria.

02:46:27.000 Why now?

02:46:28.000 Seriously, it's not a threat.

02:46:29.000 Yeah, maybe we can be a little angry that they popped off a corrupt former Prime Minister of Lebanon who stole billions of dollars of Reconstruction money. 0.52

02:46:38.000 But that's not a cause for America to go to war.

02:46:41.000 It's a distraction.

02:46:42.000 The Bush administration's taking it in the knee right now.

02:46:45.000 Let me bring this up to you.

02:46:46.000 I totally agree with you.

02:46:48.000 It's a distraction.

02:46:48.000 They're taking it in the knee.

02:46:49.000 Please continue your comment.

02:46:52.000 Well, Ray McGovern, who I know you know personally, he said last week on this show, Bush may carry out some type of terror attack.

02:46:59.000 Well, it wouldn't, I, you know, look, nothing this administration would do would surprise me.

02:47:04.000 They're desperate right now.

02:47:05.000 If you go back and take a look at the, you know, Nixon administration during the height of Watergate, you know, there was talk of, you know, Nixon was talking about using nuclear weapons against the Soviets in the Middle East.

02:47:17.000 You know, insanity of this nature.

02:47:19.000 You know, when you have a, when you have a Irresponsible administration, like the Nixon administration and like this current administration, and they start to feel embattled, surrounded.

02:47:30.000 They take on a Fortress-like mentality where everybody becomes the enemy.

02:47:34.000 So you think that's possible?

02:47:36.000 I think that, yeah.

02:47:38.000 Look, you have people who have no regard for the rule of law.

02:47:42.000 These aren't people who appreciate the Constitution.

02:47:44.000 To them, the Constitution is an impediment.

02:47:47.000 It's an obstacle.

02:47:48.000 It's in the way.

02:47:49.000 It's something to be, you know, avoided.

02:47:52.000 And they are married to an ideology of global domination, of global imperialism, and they're not going to deviate from this... Well, every major guest I've been having on, in and out of government, has been unanimously agreeing.

02:48:07.000 Let's jam one quick question in, and then Scott can answer it after the break.

02:48:10.000 Clayton in Missouri, ask your question.

02:48:13.000 Yeah, Alex, he kind of answered it indirectly.

02:48:17.000 The United Nations came out with this report condemning Syria for a political assassination inside Lebanon.

02:48:23.000 What a lot of people don't know is that U.S.

02:48:25.000 forces have been in a lot of skirmishes with Syrian forces on the Iraqi border, so you'd think GW will use this U.N.

02:48:32.000 report to invade Syria.

02:48:35.000 We'll be right back and get Scott Ritter's comment on that.

02:48:37.000 Great point, Clayton.

02:48:38.000 Then we'll talk to Joe, Dave, and Richard.

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02:52:39.000 Scott, answering that question, they really want to go into Syria and Iran.

02:52:42.000 I've got friends and family in the military.

02:52:44.000 They've been told they're going into to Syria before Iran.

02:52:47.000 I talked about that two years ago.

02:52:50.000 And they could use this as a big distraction.

02:52:54.000 So to answer the caller's question, where do you see this going?

02:52:57.000 I see, again, this administration wants to go to Syria, wants to go to Iran.

02:53:04.000 Iran has turned into a little bit more of a difficult proposition, both diplomatically and militarily and financially.

02:53:13.000 So, Iran may be pushed to the back burner right now.

02:53:15.000 It doesn't mean it's going away, and we should never forget that.

02:53:18.000 So the snake's going to try to eat us small, or... Yeah, we're going to go small first, and Syria, I think the feeling of the Bush administration is this is a very easy target.

02:53:27.000 It's one that, you know, again, would make Israel very happy if we took out this regime.

02:53:35.000 I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as they think it's going to be.

02:53:39.000 But if terrorists blow something up in America, then maybe.

02:53:44.000 Well, you know, whether terrorists are planning to do it now, I can tell you one thing.

02:53:50.000 If we go into Syria, there will be a whole host of people planning to blow it up. 1.00

02:53:54.000 People need to understand something.

02:53:56.000 We have an administration that has no appreciation of history, no appreciation of how the rest of the world works.

02:54:03.000 You know, they use the language of crusade.

02:54:06.000 We have a president who speaks of evangelical Christianity.

02:54:13.000 God has told him to do this.

02:54:15.000 And we've invaded two Muslim nations. 0.98

02:54:17.000 We're getting ready to invade a third.

02:54:19.000 See, Scott, that's where we differ.

02:54:20.000 They know it's meant to enrage them.

02:54:24.000 Let's take two quick calls.

02:54:25.000 Joe in California and then Dave.

02:54:27.000 Joe, go ahead.

02:54:28.000 Good morning, Alex.

02:54:29.000 Good morning, Scott.

02:54:31.000 Um, Scott, you really have a lot of good things to say.

02:54:34.000 There's some problems out here, some people have, um, trying to impeach you as a good source of information because of some morals charges.

02:54:41.000 I wish you could address those and tell us how that happened.

02:54:45.000 Oh, give me some specifics.

02:54:47.000 Look, look, anything that's been said about Scott is pure bull.

02:54:52.000 And we're just flat out of time.

02:54:53.000 I'd like to have him back up sometime if you want him to address, you know, just basic bull.

02:54:58.000 I mean, everything he's said has been proven to be true, and we've had the government trying to attack Scott.

02:55:02.000 Thanks for the call.

02:55:04.000 Let's take one final call.

02:55:05.000 We just don't have time to get into any baloney.

02:55:08.000 Dave in Illinois.

02:55:09.000 Go ahead, Dave.

02:55:11.000 Thank you.

02:55:12.000 And Scott, I want to say, I trust my instincts pretty good.

02:55:15.000 When I first saw you, I thought, another show for the administration.

02:55:18.000 But I think you're a true patriot.

02:55:19.000 Well, it doesn't matter!

02:55:20.000 Everything he said has been proven!

02:55:22.000 People can't say no.

02:55:23.000 Well, I don't know if I want to believe Scott Ritter.

02:55:25.000 Everything he said has turned out to be pure gold!

02:55:28.000 He's courageous enough, patriotic enough.

02:55:31.000 Yeah, the war has been won, folks.

02:55:33.000 We proved that we were right.

02:55:34.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:55:36.000 And Mark Twain said, a true patriot is a rare commodity.

02:55:41.000 And, uh, how much does Israel have to do with everything in the Middle East?

02:55:47.000 Okay, boom, that's all we've got time for.

02:55:50.000 Israel, again, back to Israel's role in all this.

02:55:52.000 Scott?

02:55:53.000 We don't want to oversimplify it, we don't want to exaggerate it, but it's there.

02:55:57.000 I mean, there are elements of the far-right wing of the Likud party who have aligned themselves with these neoconservatives in the Bush administration.

02:56:04.000 And they have a heavy influence on what we're doing in the Middle East today.

02:56:08.000 And they have their own offices in the Pentagon.

02:56:10.000 Yeah, apparently they do.

02:56:12.000 And then they get to write the fake intelligence.

02:56:15.000 Alright, well, Scott Rutter, thank you for coming on, my friend.

02:56:17.000 The new book is Iraq Confidential.

02:56:19.000 Take care.

02:56:20.000 Okay, thank you.

02:56:21.000 You bet.

02:56:21.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight.

02:56:22.000 God bless you all.

02:56:23.000 I'll see you at the Alamo Draft House Thursday.

02:56:24.000 Be there.

Alex Jones Show - October 24, 2005

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