Alex Jones Show - 20051118_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:35.000 It is Friday, the 18th day of November 2005, headed into the weekend.

00:00:40.000 Then, of course, the Thanksgiving week coming up next Thursday.

00:00:45.000 Hope you spend time with your family and think about what this country is really all about.

00:00:49.000 I know that's what I'll be doing.

00:00:51.000 But obviously we'll be here Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and then take off Thursday to be with family.

00:00:56.000 I'll even be filling in, I'm told.

00:00:58.000 I've been honored to be asked to fill in for Pastor Butch Paugh coming up next Monday on his show.

00:01:06.000 Now for the last year I've been unable to hear Pastor Butch's show here locally on the stations, There's been some lobbying, including by myself, and now we get to hear Pastor Butch on the radio again here in Austin.

00:01:19.000 Now, why am I starting a radio show with that?

00:01:21.000 I don't know.

00:01:21.000 I was just thinking about Butch.

00:01:23.000 Right before I went on air, he's calling me all the time.

00:01:25.000 I never have time to call him back.

00:01:27.000 I was thinking about books this morning because I was reading an email that he sent somebody else.

00:01:32.000 They forwarded me, and he was quoting Dante's Inferno about the hottest places in hell being reserved for those that know something wrong is happening, that know that innocent people are being abused, and they decide to be neutral.

00:01:48.000 Neutrality is bad, ladies and gentlemen.

00:01:50.000 Christ said that you were neither hot nor cold, so I spit you out of my mouth. 0.98

00:01:57.000 I actually respect the evil Satanists. 0.98

00:01:59.000 I don't like them. 1.00

00:02:00.000 I hate them. 0.65

00:02:01.000 I want to bring them down, but I respect them.

00:02:03.000 They know what they're doing.

00:02:04.000 They know which side they've chosen.

00:02:07.000 They've cast their lot with the old serpent.

00:02:10.000 But you've got these other people out there that know about good and evil, but they just decide to kind of namby-pamby dance around in the middle of it, thinking they're safe on the fence, thinking they're safe in the middle of the road, and that's the most dangerous place to be.

00:02:25.000 And, of course, I love from the bottom of my heart and the depths of my soul, and I admire and I am thankful for all the good people in the world that stand up for beauty and stand up for innocence and stand up for decency.

00:02:39.000 I was reading this morning how they convicted that Joseph Smith character, the famous video in Florida a few years ago where he just grabs a little, I don't know, 10-year-old girl and kidnaps her and ties her up and rapes her for four days and strangles her.

00:02:57.000 I'm sorry.

00:02:59.000 Just the level of evil that's out there.

00:03:03.000 We have to stop denying it.

00:03:06.000 We've got to face it.

00:03:07.000 It's real.

00:03:09.000 And it's growing in power.

00:03:11.000 It's spreading.

00:03:13.000 Every form of degeneracy, every form of wickedness, every form of twisted behavior is exploding right now like a wild fever running through the body politic.

00:03:27.000 It's just burning away everything good and decent and it's all under attack.

00:03:33.000 Everything good is threatened right now like never before in human history.

00:03:38.000 Evil has tools it's never dreamed of.

00:03:42.000 The mechanisms of enslavement and despotism are mighty, but at the same time, for every action there is a greater or equal reaction.

00:03:53.000 And there is a lot of resistance mounting to this.

00:03:57.000 There is just a ton of news.

00:03:59.000 I got an email here saying, Alex, I don't see the proof of the FDA testing on people.

00:04:05.000 They're approving rules for the testing on foster children, handicapped children, And, uh, S. Fieldman sent me this email saying everything Alex has ever said I've checked up and it's been backed up, but he says, I just can't find out where this is true.

00:04:21.000 Well, okay, sir, we'll go over some of that for you here today.

00:04:27.000 I mean, if you don't know that there's been chemical, biological, and radiological testing on children in America for 70 plus years, you're not looking very hard.

00:04:38.000 And this is just a codification publicly.

00:04:41.000 So we'll go back into this when we start the second segment and then... There's just so much news.

00:04:48.000 Bush's approval rating falls to even a lower level.

00:04:50.000 I mean, if he keeps falling at this rate, he'll have an approval rating of like 10 points by the middle of next year.

00:04:55.000 Seriously.

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00:08:07.000 Thank you.

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00:08:11.000 Life is short, it is transitory, it is like the morning mist at dawn, when the first rays of the sun hit it, it disappears in seconds.

00:08:24.000 Right as you begin to grasp your life and Many cases it's over.

00:08:31.000 It's over in a flash, or it's over in excruciating pain over many months, but death will find us all.

00:08:40.000 But death of a great-grandparent or a grandparent, it's painful, it's sad, but it's part of the human condition.

00:08:51.000 It's the way we're designed.

00:08:55.000 We are equipped with The instincts to be able to deal with it, better than losing a child, a lot better than losing a brother or a sister.

00:09:10.000 People are meant to live out their life cycle, to be little babies and to be loved and then to become adolescents and be rebellious and leave the hut and go set up your own hut and start your own family. 0.88

00:09:22.000 Have your own children and then become grandparents and if you're blessed become great-grandparents and then go back into the earth, go back into dust.

00:09:32.000 But we should all appreciate life every time we see the night sky, every time we see the sunset, every time we see a happy family that's straight and strong and filled with joy.

00:09:45.000 Every time we see a flock of birds land Land and a lake.

00:09:51.000 Just all of that beauty.

00:09:53.000 All of that purity.

00:09:55.000 All of the things we see in God's creation.

00:09:57.000 All the good things.

00:09:58.000 We have to appreciate the good things so that we can stand up for them against the bad things.

00:10:04.000 We need to be able to separate the good from the bad.

00:10:07.000 And so many people are unable to do that.

00:10:09.000 So many people are lured by evil.

00:10:12.000 They are seduced by evil.

00:10:14.000 They think that darkness and death is beautiful.

00:10:17.000 They are beguiled by it.

00:10:20.000 And all they'll find is pain and suffering down that road.

00:10:24.000 And you will find it down that road prematurely.

00:10:27.000 Don't worry, you're going to find pain and suffering in your life.

00:10:31.000 And a lot of times you find even greater pain and suffering when you do try to avoid it.

00:10:38.000 Now there is such a thing as necessary suffering in this world.

00:10:44.000 And much of the problems we see today are because we try to do what's quick and what's easy and what only satisfies our flesh, our base instincts.

00:10:55.000 But history shows us and the history of societies and civilizations shows us clearly That when people stand up and are involved, and are aggressive, and are dynamic, and are passionate, and are loving, and are individualistic, you have milk and honey.

00:11:14.000 You have dynamic societies.

00:11:17.000 But history shows, just like a fine Swiss watch, Right on time that the children of those pioneers tend to be a little less self-sufficient, a little less made of the same metal, a little more pampered.

00:11:33.000 Their parents love them.

00:11:34.000 They take care of them.

00:11:35.000 They don't stress them.

00:11:37.000 And then the children of those children get even more pampered. 0.98

00:11:40.000 And then soon, you're dealing with decadent, dumbed-down, mindless sloths. 0.98

00:11:47.000 And I count myself, in many respects, one of them. 0.97

00:11:52.000 But compared to many other people I see, it's terrifying.

00:11:56.000 There are many, many steps down the ladder into that pit further than I have fallen.

00:12:01.000 We've got to dig ourselves out of this if we want to be blessed and want to be rewarded.

00:12:07.000 I'm not going to go into any more preaching.

00:12:09.000 It's just that I realize how blessed I am, how lucky I am, how just unbelievable my life is, the capacity I've been given, the responsibility I've been given.

00:12:21.000 To be able to talk to millions of people every day, and to be able to talk to tens of millions on all the other talk show interviews I do, on other radio shows and TV shows, and to have InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:12:33.000 Folks, I make mistakes every day.

00:12:35.000 I stumble.

00:12:39.000 I don't have all the answers.

00:12:42.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:12:43.000 At least I'm trying the best I can.

00:12:45.000 At least I'm putting one foot in front of the other and I'm asking God for guidance.

00:12:49.000 And I'm doing everything I can.

00:12:51.000 You know, last night I got a call and they wanted me to go on Coast to Coast AM in the first hour and I was honored and blessed to do it.

00:12:58.000 To be able to talk to all those people.

00:13:00.000 And I told a story on air.

00:13:03.000 It's been many years since I've cried.

00:13:07.000 I don't see that as weakness.

00:13:08.000 I see that as strength.

00:13:09.000 And sometimes I see things that are so good and so beautiful that I get a tear in my eye.

00:13:12.000 people that are being persecuted and I'll get some tears in my eyes and I don't see that as weakness I see that as strength and sometimes I see things that are so good and so beautiful that I get a tear in my eye but driving home yesterday from the radio show I began to cry I just thought about how they take people's newborn babies in China and kill them and sell their body parts I 0.98

00:13:36.000 I just felt the pain, just a shadow, just an inkling of the pain of those mothers and those fathers and those grandparents living in that vice grip of evil.

00:13:49.000 And I thought about I thought about all the little black children predominantly and some white children and Hispanic children taken by CPS all over the country and taken and given to medical institutions and farms where they test everything from pesticides to flame retardant material to drugs on them and they kill them in many cases and it is a normal, it is a real response 0.99

00:14:18.000 If your heart has been blackened, if your conscience, if your soul isn't pink and soft, then it's already begun to harden.

00:14:31.000 I don't know how people can harden their hearts.

00:14:33.000 I don't know how people can be so self-centered that they're not involved in fighting this.

00:14:38.000 I don't know how we can just sit here and watch all of this happen and put up with this.

00:14:48.000 On the air, I went into how this is real to me, and how somebody's got to speak for these people.

00:14:54.000 Because just a good old boy, and I could hear it in his voice, he meant well.

00:14:57.000 He thought he was righteous.

00:14:59.000 He called in, and he said, Alex, I don't mean to sound mean here, but I really need to know.

00:15:04.000 Are you a Democratic Party spokesman?

00:15:08.000 Are you a paid, some kind of paid operative?

00:15:13.000 And he didn't sound evil.

00:15:14.000 He didn't sound frothing.

00:15:16.000 He really thought I was just making all this up.

00:15:20.000 He really thought I was making it up that Bush... I knew he got us in debt, but I didn't know what Paul Craig Roberts, the former chief economist at the Treasury Department, talked about last week.

00:15:33.000 I didn't know that he got us in more debt than all the presidents before, including Bill Clinton.

00:15:38.000 All of them together, combined in history, in 225 years.

00:15:44.000 I didn't know that.

00:15:47.000 But I said, he's that conservative.

00:15:49.000 I'm against the assault weapons ban.

00:15:51.000 Bush is for it.

00:15:52.000 So I'm a liberal, because I guess he's a conservative.

00:15:55.000 And I got an email today going, that just can't be true.

00:15:58.000 They're not testing pesticides on kids.

00:16:05.000 I just can't find it.

00:16:06.000 I just don't know where it is.

00:16:07.000 Well, it's right there on the website, right in front of you.

00:16:09.000 You can go read the rule change.

00:16:11.000 You know what else you can go read right now at Cornell Law Online or any other major body of law online, any other law school online?

00:16:21.000 U.S.

00:16:21.000 Code, and just don't tell me you can't find it.

00:16:24.000 Don't just type U.S.

00:16:25.000 Code in.

00:16:25.000 Type this in.

00:16:27.000 U.S.

00:16:27.000 Code.

00:16:28.000 U.S.

00:16:29.000 Code.

00:16:30.000 U.S.

00:16:30.000 and C.O.D.

00:16:31.000 dot U.S.

00:16:32.000 Code Title 50.

00:16:35.000 Chapter 32, subsection 1520A, paragraph B, where the federal government authorizes the covert testing for experimental reasons, any chemical, biological, or radiological system they wish for experimentation or for the public good and some other bumbo-jumbo.

00:16:56.000 And if you don't know about the Tuskegee with the syphilis and all the atomic soldiers and the radiating the little kids and all of it. 0.84

00:17:03.000 If you don't know about it, fine.

00:17:05.000 And I get your emails all the time.

00:17:09.000 None are so blind as those that don't have eyes to see. 1.00

00:17:12.000 And I don't know what you're talking about in this email.

00:17:16.000 Dear InfoWars, and I'm sure this person's nice too.

00:17:19.000 Until now, everything I've ever heard Alex say has been backed up by other sources.

00:17:23.000 I am not certain, however, this That his explanation of the chemical testing on children is accurate.

00:17:30.000 It seems from the EPA study that the children will not be exposed to any additional chemicals other than those than what are already being exposed to in their homes.

00:17:39.000 What does that mean?

00:17:40.000 The whole thing is about chemical testing and drug testing on foster kids. 0.99

00:17:46.000 It's a huge scandal ongoing for four years.

00:17:49.000 I mean, it hadn't just been on this radio show.

00:17:53.000 Alex is saying that children will be exposed to additional chemicals in the study.

00:17:56.000 The EPA says that's not so, which is true.

00:17:58.000 There's hundreds of pages of mumbo-jumbo, but then when it gets down to it, there's nothing about the EPA doing a study.

00:18:05.000 It's saying, well you can go read it, I read the subsections yesterday, here and here.

00:18:10.000 What are you talking about?

00:18:12.000 Children who cannot be reasonably consulted, such as those that are mentally handicapped or orphaned, newborns may be tested on.

00:18:20.000 With permission from the institution or guardian in charge that the individual child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of research.

00:18:26.000 I mean, that's out of the subsection.

00:18:28.000 And it's not just Alex Jones, it's the Organic Consumers Association of America.

00:18:32.000 That's a huge organization.

00:18:33.000 They just went and read the rule change.

00:18:35.000 I mean, it's 70 FR 5386526.408.

00:18:40.000 But you just... I mean, what are you talking about?

00:18:43.000 You can't find it.

00:18:44.000 You're not looking very hard.

00:18:48.000 I've gotten emails.

00:18:49.000 Where is the story about the Israeli kids getting radiated?

00:18:54.000 I've gotten a whole bunch of those.

00:18:55.000 Well, where is it?

00:18:57.000 Well, it's in a bunch of the Jewish newspapers.

00:18:59.000 I mean, what do you want me to do?

00:19:00.000 Deliver it to your front door?

00:19:02.000 And look, I'm not mad at you.

00:19:05.000 It's just, look, I want you to go check out what we're saying and what we're covering, but we post it there every day.

00:19:12.000 It's right there.

00:19:14.000 In fact, in this data page we built about This latest rule change proposal, we have right next to it, related.

00:19:24.000 The ringworm children, how Israel's government irradiated 100,000 Israeli kids. 0.50

00:19:30.000 Here's another one.

00:19:31.000 Feds, some age drug test violated rules.

00:19:35.000 Feds tested age drugs on foster kids.

00:19:37.000 Stuff like that.

00:19:39.000 And that's bad, that's nothing.

00:19:41.000 I mean, we've got New York Daily News and other New York papers where they make them drink pesticide and they die, okay?

00:19:47.000 I mean, it's in, like, major newspapers.

00:19:51.000 And it tears my guts out. 0.94

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00:25:05.000 I guess I'm a little emotional today.

00:25:07.000 I'm good friends with Tex Marx and Wanda Mars.

00:25:11.000 They're just really sweet, good people.

00:25:14.000 Did you know their daughter died yesterday after losing a battle with esophageal cancer?

00:25:21.000 Please don't call them and bug them and bother them, folks.

00:25:25.000 I know that most people don't even know about it, but I think we should pray for Tex and Wanda because I just couldn't imagine losing a child.

00:25:34.000 That's got to be one of the Most horrible things there is out there to lose a child.

00:25:41.000 I mean, it's bad enough to lose a parent or a grandparent, as I talked about at the start of the show, but I didn't go there, but I am going there.

00:25:49.000 But just imagine, in the order of things, the scheme of things, losing a child.

00:25:53.000 I don't know what that's like.

00:25:54.000 And I pray to God, if he grants me any wish for my pathetic services against the New World Order, that I never have to experience that. 0.77

00:26:02.000 Again, life is flashing.

00:26:09.000 It is fleeting.

00:26:09.000 It is a flash in the pan.

00:26:12.000 It's gone.

00:26:12.000 Enjoy it.

00:26:13.000 Love it.

00:26:14.000 Love others.

00:26:15.000 People who only care about themselves are totally unhappy.

00:26:18.000 They think, oh, I've just got to have more, more, more, more, more.

00:26:21.000 And they only get more and more unhappy.

00:26:23.000 Yesterday, I just had an incredible, overwhelming feeling of service.

00:26:27.000 And I don't mean that, again, in some high and mighty It was a comfort.

00:26:34.000 I was being comforted.

00:26:36.000 Yesterday, I was sad about the horrible things the New World Order does.

00:26:40.000 I was mad that they get away with it.

00:26:42.000 I was frustrated.

00:26:43.000 I was really upset driving home, and I was comforted that I'm doing the best I can, that evil is always punished, that there are good people in the world.

00:26:56.000 There are a lot of good things that are left in the world.

00:26:59.000 And just that... I don't know what to say.

00:27:06.000 It's... For those out there, there's just so many good people.

00:27:11.000 Who really are good people.

00:27:14.000 And... But they're naive.

00:27:17.000 They're childlike. 0.99

00:27:18.000 They're like that ten-year-old girl who was walking home from her friend's house, down the street from her house, from a sleepover, And a sack of maggots, a sack of hell pus, and that's the only way I can describe it. 0.98

00:27:34.000 Somebody, I would like to just torture that person to death, but I wouldn't do that. 0.99

00:27:42.000 I wouldn't do that to Joseph Smith, and that was his name, Joe Smith, who had three daughters himself, and he went and he grabbed her for his own demonic Satisfaction and he tied her down in horror and raped her and raped her and raped her for days and then he strangled the life out of her. 0.95

00:28:03.000 But because evil is so dangerous, we can't give into it even if it feels like vengeance is ours. 0.98

00:28:08.000 It isn't because if we tortured that maggot, we would lower ourselves in some respect to his level. 0.99

00:28:16.000 No, he should be treated like a dog. 1.00

00:28:19.000 A rabid dog. 1.00

00:28:20.000 He should be given a one appeal and then unceremoniously taken out in a ditch in a firing squad and he should blow his stinking head off. 1.00

00:28:37.000 I mean, I'll be honest with you, the animal in me would just pour molten lead down that guy's throat. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I'd gouge his eyes out myself. 0.97

00:28:44.000 You know, that's what the beast in me wants to do. 0.71

00:28:48.000 But we cannot lower ourselves.

00:28:50.000 We cannot go down that road.

00:28:52.000 And, uh, it just makes me sick.

00:28:56.000 But let me tell you something.

00:28:57.000 It's just as evil, in fact, in many levels, it's more evil to have this organized system where the foster children are here, they're three-year-olds, and they're going to be part of a little study, and they're wards of the state, and if you're wards of the state, the government can basically give you to corporations for testing.

00:29:13.000 And this is admitted.

00:29:16.000 And then they take them, and they give them toxic drugs, and they test their blood, and check their livers, and they get serious health problems, they get sick, they die.

00:29:25.000 Then there's the cases in our own country, in Israel and other areas, where they just take little five-year-olds in, and strap them in, and send high radiation to their little skulls.

00:29:35.000 And a large portion die, and the others are brain damaged for life.

00:29:38.000 I mean, how do you do that?

00:29:41.000 What?

00:29:42.000 They are, they are possessed by the devil. 1.00

00:29:46.000 They, they are, they are scum! 1.00

00:29:51.000 We're on the march. 1.00

00:29:53.000 The Empire's on the run.

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00:30:04.000 Wake up and smell the fascism.

00:30:06.000 Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.

00:30:09.000 What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?

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00:33:18.000 Your calls are coming up.

00:33:19.000 The toll-free number to join us is 800-259-9231.

00:33:20.000 And I'm going to cycle through your calls quickly.

00:33:26.000 I don't think I've given the number out today, but we have loaded phone lines.

00:33:30.000 I'm not against doing that, having loaded phone lines from the first five minutes of the show, but a lot of times it tends that people are really off on wild agendas or plug fest, which again doesn't bother me unless it's abused.

00:33:42.000 So we'll see what's coming up.

00:33:45.000 I just really want to also make room for the folks that are calling in about issues that we're discussing occasionally.

00:33:50.000 So we will cycle through your calls quickly today and come up in a few minutes.

00:33:53.000 We'll be joined in studio by Steve Watson and Paul Watson, respectively, and that's always informative.

00:33:59.000 Enjoyable.

00:34:01.000 And there is just a whole host of news.

00:34:03.000 Bush's approval ratings fall again, the whole show.

00:34:06.000 Cheney is vice president for torture, and that's former CIA director.

00:34:09.000 That's right, a former CIA director and a conservative, Admiral Stansfield Turner, says we're turning into an absolutely disgusting police state and we're all in danger.

00:34:20.000 Just like Paul Craig Roberts, highest level conservative you can pretty much get, saying the same thing. 1.00

00:34:25.000 It's Nazi Germany, they're total scum. 1.00

00:34:28.000 Because that's just what it is, okay? 1.00

00:34:32.000 There's no putting perfume on a pig. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Lie detectors may be next step in airline security. 0.90

00:34:38.000 This is really dangerous.

00:34:39.000 A total fraud.

00:34:40.000 U.S.

00:34:41.000 House rejects naming building after Senator Harkin and Arlen Speckert.

00:34:46.000 Now, that's always a tell-tale sign.

00:34:50.000 Finally, when Rome went into serious decline, Emperors, Caesars began naming things after themselves while they were alive.

00:34:59.000 It is not done in free societies.

00:35:03.000 It is done, I guess, in places where you've got a queen.

00:35:07.000 It is a sign of massive tyranny. 0.99

00:35:10.000 And right here in Austin, we have another bag of maggots. 0.98

00:35:14.000 Judge Jean Meir. 0.99

00:35:15.000 I mean, this woman is an abomination. 1.00

00:35:17.000 I could do ten shows on her. 0.99

00:35:19.000 And she's got a huge complex for breaking up families and destroying children's lives. 1.00

00:35:24.000 And it's just a huge cancer.

00:35:25.000 Her Juvenile Justice Center, and it's named after her.

00:35:28.000 I mean, this is just a scourge of evil.

00:35:31.000 And when you see that, folks, I mean, you're talking about, in your face, megalomaniacal tyranny.

00:35:36.000 It's just another signpost.

00:35:37.000 It's a benchmark.

00:35:38.000 It's a signature.

00:35:39.000 It's a wavelength.

00:35:40.000 It's an absolute dead ringer.

00:35:42.000 It's the forensics of tyranny.

00:35:44.000 Just one more indicator.

00:35:46.000 100 arrested at Walmart construction site.

00:35:49.000 There is good news in the world.

00:35:51.000 Illegal aliens. 1.00

00:35:52.000 Baltimore to buy talking surveillance cameras.

00:35:54.000 The telescreens.

00:35:55.000 They already have them in London.

00:35:56.000 Shout orders at you.

00:35:57.000 Screaming at you.

00:35:59.000 Sidney Sheehan found guilty of misdemeanor.

00:36:01.000 Louie Free charges 9-11 commission cover-up.

00:36:05.000 This is a total whitewash.

00:36:07.000 A whitewash within a whitewash.

00:36:08.000 They'll pose as if they're whistleblowers, bringing you a whitewash, and then you'll swallow the sugar-coated cyanide doublet.

00:36:15.000 Two charge over Iraq memo leak.

00:36:17.000 Oh, you leaked memos about how the whole Iraq war stage.

00:36:20.000 Well, we'll just charge you.

00:36:23.000 Police admit shoot-to-kill mistakes over in London.

00:36:26.000 XMI5 boss criticizes useless ID cards.

00:36:28.000 They're saying it'll increase identity fraud.

00:36:31.000 Well, that's the plan, Jack.

00:36:33.000 And shocking pictures released of more Iraq torture.

00:36:36.000 And the Washington Post is saying, our source is not Dick Cheney for the leak.

00:36:40.000 Mary Flu spreads to a quarter of Vietnam's provinces and is spreading in China as well.

00:36:45.000 So be sure and buy some Tamiflu, even though it'll cause your kid to go psychopathic in many cases and kill themselves.

00:36:50.000 And believe 9-11 was an inside job, believe the country.

00:36:53.000 Curt Nemo is reporting on Tucker Carlson and others.

00:36:56.000 I want to get more into these documents.

00:36:57.000 It says oil chiefs met with Cheney Task Force.

00:37:01.000 Because this is just catching them red-handed in lies and the chemical and pesticide and drug testing on foster children and mentally retarded children, handicapped children. 0.97

00:37:10.000 It's just, what you do to the least, you do to me.

00:37:13.000 That's what Christ said.

00:37:14.000 Again, that's what predators do.

00:37:16.000 They target the weak.

00:37:18.000 And if you can sit there as the strong, well, they're going to wait until you're in the nursing home, folks, to rip you off and not change your sheets.

00:37:25.000 And your kids will all be decadent and 45 years old and won't care about you. 0.67

00:37:29.000 They're going to wait until you have that stroke to kill you in the hospital and steal your organs. 0.98

00:37:32.000 They're going to wait, you see, and you're going to be in that position someday, and you could have had 20 years of life ahead of you, but somebody didn't take care of you, so it's over for you.

00:37:41.000 This stuff all comes back on us.

00:37:42.000 None of us are safe when the weak and the innocent and the meek are being persecuted. 0.99

00:37:49.000 None of us are safe when a third of the people in prisons and jails, conservatively, are innocent.

00:37:55.000 None of us are safe!

00:37:59.000 Now, coming out, and I will go see it late this evening, I've got a lot of work to do today, and I will...

00:38:06.000 I'll give you a report back on Monday on Walk the Line, the Johnny Cash story.

00:38:10.000 We'll see if it's a liberal propaganda piece or if it's accurate.

00:38:13.000 I know a little bit about Johnny Cash.

00:38:14.000 I'm a huge fan of Johnny Cash.

00:38:16.000 I like the music.

00:38:17.000 But I figured we'd play this, my own personal Jesus.

00:38:21.000 It's kind of a multi-faceted song.

00:38:22.000 It's also kind of a jab at the phony preachers, which we're going to be talking about.

00:38:26.000 Paul Watson and his brother yesterday were watching television, 700 Club, because they're Christians.

00:38:32.000 Watch it.

00:38:33.000 Pat Robertson began Satan worshipping live on television.

00:38:37.000 In between telling us that biometrics and retina scanning are of the Lord.

00:38:41.000 And Paul has been busy.

00:38:42.000 He had a lot of problems downloading the clips.

00:38:44.000 He did find it.

00:38:45.000 He did download it.

00:38:46.000 He is writing an article about it.

00:38:47.000 It will be out this weekend.

00:38:48.000 It will be out before they jump on the airplane.

00:38:52.000 And so look for that at InfoWars.com.

00:38:55.000 But we're going to have video of it, stills of it.

00:38:57.000 Just actually going, oh Jesus, oh Jesus, I love you Lord.

00:39:01.000 Doing the devil sign while he does it.

00:39:05.000 Which in black magic, you actually get more power off that.

00:39:08.000 So you desecrate the name of Christ while you do it, combining the Satanism with it.

00:39:12.000 That's actually highest level black magic.

00:39:15.000 And please don't call me saying Pat Robertson's good.

00:39:17.000 He said China's doing what it has to do with forced abortion and infanticide.

00:39:21.000 And people actually called him five years ago, four years ago, defending him when he did that.

00:39:24.000 They went, well still, don't talk bad about him.

00:39:26.000 I've seen him.

00:39:27.000 In fact, I have a tape somewhere around here where he says implantable microchips.

00:39:31.000 Are not a problem.

00:39:33.000 And now we have him saying biometrics are a problem.

00:39:35.000 So that will all be on the show Monday.

00:39:37.000 The audio of that, but coming up by the night or tomorrow, we'll have all the video clips of it and a big article about it.

00:39:41.000 Paul's been working on it since yesterday.

00:39:43.000 All day yesterday, fighting with the video.

00:39:48.000 With his 1845 model laptop.

00:39:53.000 I'm joking.

00:39:54.000 Hey, let's go ahead and go to just a little bit of... I'm going to play the whole song.

00:39:59.000 This is the last record, last CD, last bundle of songs that Johnny Cash put out.

00:40:04.000 It just appears before he died.

00:40:05.000 I think right after his wife had died.

00:40:07.000 They're all Christian songs on the CD.

00:40:12.000 Go ahead and roll that.

00:40:14.000 Your own personal Jesus.

00:40:34.000 Jesus.

00:40:37.000 Someone to hear your prayers.

00:40:40.000 Someone who cares.

00:40:42.000 Your own personal Jesus Someone to hear your prayers Someone who's there.

00:41:09.000 Feeling unknown and you're all alone.

00:41:12.000 Flesh and bones by the telephone.

00:41:16.000 Lift up the receiver, I'll make you a believer.

00:41:24.000 Take second best, put me to the test.

00:41:28.000 Things on your chest, you need to confess.

00:41:32.000 I will deliver, you know I'm a forgiver.

00:41:39.000 Reach out and touch faith Your own personal Jesus.

00:42:03.000 Someone to hear your prayers.

00:42:06.000 Someone who cares.

00:42:10.000 Your own personal Jesus.

00:42:19.000 Someone to hear your prayers.

00:42:21.000 Someone to care Feeling unknown and you're all alone Flesh and bone by the telephone.

00:42:42.000 Lift up the receiver, I'll make you a believer.

00:42:50.000 I will deliver.

00:42:52.000 You know I'm a forgiver.

00:42:57.000 Reach out and touch faith.

00:43:03.000 Reach out and touch faith.

00:43:09.000 Alright, that's Johnny Cash, folks.

00:43:11.000 Personal Jesus.

00:43:12.000 I guess it's a redo of a cover for that Depeche Mode song.

00:43:17.000 We are joined in studio by Steve Watson and Paul Watson.

00:43:21.000 Guys, you've been in the United States now for about seven days.

00:43:24.000 How have you liked it?

00:43:25.000 It's been pretty good so far.

00:43:28.000 Obviously it's all Western culture, so it's pretty similar, but certainly everything's bigger in Texas.

00:43:35.000 Definitely the portions are bigger.

00:43:37.000 And it's been an education.

00:43:39.000 It's been quite good to actually get over here after talking to Alex for years and years to actually be in Austin, Texas.

00:43:46.000 And be in the epicenter of the battle against the New World Order.

00:43:51.000 And to get bigger portions.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, bigger portions of squid.

00:43:56.000 That's right.

00:43:57.000 We actually went and you guys had some squid at an Italian food restaurant a few nights ago.

00:44:01.000 Some calamari.

00:44:02.000 It was pretty good, wasn't it?

00:44:04.000 Yeah, first time I've ever had it, so it was a new experience.

00:44:08.000 So we've been squidding around, squidding around town, eating squid.

00:44:11.000 They're like, squid?

00:44:12.000 These little squids, but it tastes like fried chicken.

00:44:16.000 You're right, it's like Kentucky Fried Chicken.

00:44:19.000 And it certainly does.

00:44:20.000 That's vital information.

00:44:21.000 You tuned in, folks.

00:44:22.000 You tuned in to hear about Kentucky Fried Chicken Squid.

00:44:27.000 Seriously, we've got all this news to go over, but you guys are watching television.

00:44:32.000 We've written articles about Berlusconi, the president over in Italy, Putin, the king from Jordan, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Senior, Dan Quayle, I mean everybody doing the Diablo.

00:44:51.000 I don't mean, you know, the I love you, doing the Diablo over and over again, and then Jax Mars wrote a book that's just full of preachers constantly doing it.

00:45:00.000 And they will say, oh Jesus, and then do the sign of the devil.

00:45:07.000 And so I got over to the hotel room you guys were in last night, and I walk in there and you've got your laptop on, Codex Magica open, and you're like, look at this!

00:45:17.000 You've finally been able to find it and download it.

00:45:20.000 Well, he was doing a bunch of stuff in his TV show on 700 Club.

00:45:23.000 A lot of you may have seen it yesterday, how Big Brother's here to stay, oh, threat of scanning at the public schools isn't a big deal.

00:45:30.000 But then he did something else.

00:45:31.000 So guys, go over that.

00:45:32.000 Talk about what you witnessed.

00:45:35.000 We were eating breakfast, watching the 700 Club, expecting to see rampant hypocrisy as usual.

00:45:43.000 And first they had on some plastic surgeon, so it was very Christian now to have plastic surgery. 0.99

00:45:49.000 For some reason they were promoting that.

00:45:52.000 And then later, Robertson went off on a rant against body piercing.

00:45:56.000 So again, contradicting himself.

00:45:59.000 They were talking about physical ailments.

00:46:01.000 He kept doing the hand over the heart gesture which according to Tex Marser's book again in some circles is a sign of the occult.

00:46:11.000 Then he started talking about an ailment of abdominal pain or something like that and he closed his eyes and he started talking about the burning.

00:46:19.000 You can feel the fire, you can feel the fire.

00:46:22.000 And then about a minute later Um, he's talking about something else, and he clearly flashes El Diablo.

00:46:30.000 I didn't see it at first on the television, but my brother saw it.

00:46:34.000 Um, so he said that he'd done that.

00:46:36.000 We continued watching the show.

00:46:38.000 And then they had this question raised about, um, child, uh, child finger scanning to get into a school.

00:46:46.000 And, um, Robertson's response to it was basically to whitewash it and say, Big Brother's in control.

00:46:52.000 There's nothing you can do about it.

00:46:53.000 And he's helping, and...

00:46:55.000 Yeah, and he said, uh, we'll all soon be subject to eye scans to enter buildings and so forth.

00:47:00.000 Just accept him.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, so, I thought, there's an article in itself, um, we went on the 700 Club's website, found the live stream, um, I downloaded some special software, it took all day to download the video because it was half a gig.

00:47:16.000 Um, and we did capture the El Diablo sign when he did it, um, and the answer to the question about biometrics, so we've got an article coming up in the next couple of days.

00:47:25.000 And Steve, this isn't just passing, I mean, what did you think when you saw it?

00:47:28.000 You've, uh, I mean, we've now seen the video, we have video, it's going up in the next day or so, but, but I mean, tell the folks what, I mean, it was totally obvious.

00:47:37.000 Yeah, well, I mean, it's, it's, it's often very easy for paparazzi photographers or whoever to capture celebrities Um, waving, and it kind of looks like the El Diablo sign, but this was clear.

00:47:50.000 It was... He basically held up his hand, and as he was talking... He was saying the name Jesus.

00:47:56.000 He was saying Jesus, Jesus, and he basically transformed it into the El Diablo sign.

00:48:00.000 It's... It's not an easy thing to do, either.

00:48:03.000 You have to really think about what you're doing with your hand.

00:48:05.000 No, he touched thumb to the two middle fingers.

00:48:07.000 I mean, he, he, he... Yeah, it was a full sign, yeah. 0.96

00:48:09.000 Well, he likes you, too!

00:48:11.000 I mean... Oh, but you said yesterday, Alex, that...

00:48:15.000 You think they're doing this, in some cases, to draw down power because they're, you know, behind in their agenda so much?

00:48:22.000 No, they really believe in this stuff.

00:48:23.000 No, that's why everywhere you go is the pyramid, the eye.

00:48:26.000 That's what magic is.

00:48:27.000 And then doing it out in the open, and I mean, folks, I actually have the big official Black Magic books written 500 years ago.

00:48:32.000 I mean, I've studied it to make these films.

00:48:35.000 I've gone to Tex Marr's big library to also study it.

00:48:38.000 That's what you do.

00:48:40.000 In real black magic, you use the name of Jesus.

00:48:42.000 I mean, he is actually engaging in black magic on television.

00:48:47.000 You start going, Jesus, Jesus, and he's shaking.

00:48:50.000 Jesus, Jesus, oh, heal him.

00:48:52.000 And in El Diablo, I mean, that is black magic grade A. People don't understand that.

00:49:00.000 The name of Christ is central in black magic.

00:49:02.000 You order the demons to do what you want in the name of Christ.

00:49:07.000 And when he actually did it, in the context of drawing power from it, he thrusted it forward as if he was tapping into some kind of power.

00:49:15.000 No, it's just like in the new film, The Order of Death, when they do that spell and they energize and fire it.

00:49:21.000 It's like the witch going... I mean, that's what they're doing.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, it all sounds very bizarre, but I mean, the thing is, he's sat there with his co-host, eyes closed, and he's setting himself up.

00:49:36.000 Suggests that he's getting these messages of these people that have ailments and that he is actually healing them on air.

00:49:44.000 So although it sounds bizarre what we're saying, it's equally as bizarre what he's actually playing out on TV.

00:49:50.000 Like he's Jesus, he can psychically entwine who needs healing and it's coming into him and it's direct from God.

00:49:58.000 So that was pretty odd.

00:50:00.000 At the end of the biometric justification and advocacy, He said, well at least we don't have to give DNA or blood samples yet, which is actually happening if you read the news.

00:50:12.000 I think he said that might be a problem.

00:50:14.000 I see now we're even, and look, I saw him like three years ago on TV, we have the clip, we played it on the local show, and he says, oh microchips, that's not a problem, yeah.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, let's go ahead and get our, I mean, yeah.

00:50:25.000 And people are like, hey, Pat Robertson didn't say that.

00:50:28.000 He's a lord.

00:50:29.000 Well remember when he came out and said forced infanticide and abortion is okay in China?

00:50:35.000 And then his clarification on the CBN website was, well, they are overpopulated.

00:50:39.000 I'm sorry, what were you going to say, Paul?

00:50:42.000 Yeah, just the DNA legislation is in the new Patriot Act, so that's all coming along anyway.

00:50:46.000 DNA, upon being arrested, it will be taken.

00:50:49.000 And by the way, not just arrested, it's going to be when you get pulled over and are given a ticket for speeding, it's automatically done.

00:50:56.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us.

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00:54:22.000 But last night in the car, we all went to dinner.

00:54:25.000 Paul, Steve, my wife and I, Ryan Slickhizen and his girlfriend.

00:54:30.000 We all went to dinner at Dave and Buster's.

00:54:34.000 But driving in the car, we were just talking about it.

00:54:38.000 We're saying to ourselves, why?

00:54:40.000 Why are we watching Christian leaders do this? 1.00

00:54:43.000 Clearly drawing down power, clearly doing El Diablo.

00:54:48.000 Why are all these corporate symbols like this?

00:54:50.000 I mean, we know they're devil worshippers, but it just is so weird!

00:54:53.000 But Hollywood throws it in our face.

00:54:56.000 Remember the comedy with Aykroyd and Hanks, Dragnet?

00:55:02.000 Just the facts, man!

00:55:05.000 And then, really, the leader of the pagans is the big Christian leader. 0.92

00:55:09.000 Remember when they all dance around and the cops catch them?

00:55:14.000 I mean, that's Hollywood just flaunting it, just throwing it in our face.

00:55:18.000 This is what they're into, but it's kept very quiet. 0.96

00:55:23.000 Just comments on why they do this, why they believe in this, why they're just raving lunatics, I guess.

00:55:29.000 Well, I mean, Tate Robertson is basically the voice of Christian America for a lot of people.

00:55:35.000 If he's coming out with a stance, even if you bypass the El Diablo, even if you think that was accidental, which it blatantly wasn't, some people do take it too far and say that everybody's doing it, but that was deliberate, but bypassing that, Just the advocacy of Big Brother.

00:55:52.000 Mainstream Christians in America will take that as the kind of platform of Christianity in the new millennium.

00:55:59.000 Oh yeah, microchips and face scanners and cameras, that's the Lord!

00:56:02.000 It directly contradicts the Bible.

00:56:05.000 But also, the question that Robertson was addressing was regarding finger scanning into schools, which is totally bizarre in itself.

00:56:15.000 Why should children have to finger scan just to get into school?

00:56:19.000 It's just bizarre.

00:56:22.000 No, it really is.

00:56:23.000 I mean, prisoners did it a few years ago.

00:56:26.000 Now it's in the grocery stores.

00:56:27.000 It's everywhere.

00:56:27.000 They're training them to accept this.

00:56:29.000 I've been talking about this forever, pulling my hair out.

00:56:33.000 And I remember Pat Robertson just six, seven years ago saying biometrics were bad.

00:56:38.000 Or, well, we better watch these.

00:56:39.000 I don't know about these, but now he's, look, it's good, all right?

00:56:44.000 And by the way, I mean, it's just, it's just in your face.

00:56:49.000 And then, on the subject of the schools, um, it's not a training ground for a police state, it is a police state, it is a jail when you've got surveillance cameras everywhere.

00:56:59.000 You've got armed guards everywhere now in schools.

00:57:02.000 It's just like the prisons, where every day they go, alright, lock down, open your jails up, we're gonna search your stuff.

00:57:07.000 I got articles every day where they just come in with dogs and line the kids up and search them and yell at them.

00:57:12.000 I mean, that's prison.

00:57:13.000 And then they stifle the natural growth of the child with Ritalin and all these other street drugs.

00:57:18.000 You know, ban TAG, ban Daisy Chains, and it just stifles the natural upbringing and education which would go along with any normal childhood.

00:57:26.000 And then they replace it with all this authoritarian police state stuff, so... Well, we gotta ban Dodgeball and TAG.

00:57:33.000 They're evil, but...

00:57:35.000 And they have special SWAT team raids on kids with regulation gloves out in the field boxing.

00:57:41.000 Oh, it's evil!

00:57:42.000 I mean, that was everywhere just twenty, thirty years ago.

00:57:45.000 A hundred years ago, that's all you saw.

00:57:47.000 Every little farm had a boxing rink out in the barn. 0.99

00:57:50.000 I mean, we're becoming mutated scum monsters. 0.98

00:57:54.000 Well, yeah, they're doing it through culture. 0.92

00:57:55.000 They're doing it through Reading newspapers, but mainly, you know, through creating norms and stereotypes of trendiness, which is what a lot of people buy into.

00:58:06.000 Trendiness is hating guns, hating family, hating freedom.

00:58:10.000 So, they're buying into a lifestyle, they get kickbacks of their ego, it's peer pressure.

00:58:15.000 So that's the main frontier of the attack, and that's the one that we've got to focus on even more.

00:58:20.000 Well, maybe now, if you don't flash the sign of the devil, you're not really Christian. 0.99

00:58:24.000 Maybe that's actually a Christian symbol.

00:58:26.000 Could be.

00:58:28.000 Maybe we're bad.

00:58:29.000 I'm sure I'm going to get emails.

00:58:30.000 This is our last straw.

00:58:32.000 He is a man of gold.

00:58:35.000 That's how they say it.

00:58:35.000 Alright, we'll be right back with the second hour of your calls and a ton of news.

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00:58:48.000 Big Brother.

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00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

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00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 We've had so many requests to re-air it that coming up to the third hour, we're going to play the Paul Craig Roberts interview from last Friday.

00:59:22.000 Very, very important.

00:59:23.000 We talk about America becoming Nazi Germany. 0.59

00:59:26.000 The design destruction of the economy, it's all coming up, but we've got an hour more live with you on this Friday edition in the studio of Paul Watson and Steve Watson.

00:59:36.000 I want to talk a little bit about what happened in London while we were there and just the Big Brother police state and the population and how they responded.

00:59:46.000 I want to do that and talk about some of the articles you guys wrote about that before you leave us, because quite frankly we're shooting in here for the British documentary I'm making.

00:59:56.000 That's a part of a larger film.

00:59:58.000 I might even call it the 9-11 Wars or something.

01:00:01.000 I'm thinking of a name, and a caller said that yesterday, the 9-11 Wars.

01:00:04.000 So we're going to do some of that coming up after we cover some news and take calls.

01:00:08.000 But right now, and I'm going to move your calls quickly, folks, and then on to the next person.

01:00:13.000 Let's go to the calls.

01:00:14.000 Thanks for holding.

01:00:15.000 Let's talk to Jason in Maryland.

01:00:17.000 Jason, you're on the air.

01:00:18.000 Thanks for holding.

01:00:19.000 Yeah, Alex, I talked with you a couple of months ago, I guess it was, a month and a half, something like that, and I told you that George Norrie had a friend who said there were bomb Uh, are blast marks found on the, uh, dykes there? 1.00

01:00:37.000 Yeah, and I talked to George.

01:00:39.000 He said no.

01:00:39.000 They had callers that said that.

01:00:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:00:42.000 Well, that's all I was calling to find out if you knew anything more about it.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, I did talk to George Norrie about that right after you told me that.

01:00:48.000 I asked his producer first.

01:00:50.000 I said, is that true?

01:00:51.000 And I talked to George and that wasn't.

01:00:53.000 That was being discussed.

01:00:53.000 They were covering news articles that were purporting that.

01:00:57.000 I see.

01:00:58.000 Okay, well thanks.

01:00:59.000 Thank you for the call.

01:01:00.000 I know this, the FEMA deliberately sabotaged things, they jammed the police communications day one, blocked the aid getting in, to make it as bad as they could.

01:01:08.000 So they could then come save us.

01:01:11.000 Let's talk to Ben, and he's calling us from Mississippi, speaking of the hurricane and the aftermath.

01:01:18.000 Go ahead, Ben.

01:01:19.000 Hello Alex, Paul, Steve, welcome to the states from the state of hospitality.

01:01:24.000 Thank you.

01:01:25.000 Thank you, sir.

01:01:27.000 Alex, I was listening to a popular syndicated talk show a while ago and the host was alluding to a story about a man who had HIV and then 14 months later mysteriously it was gone.

01:01:40.000 What do you think happened with Magic Johnson?

01:01:44.000 Actually, the virus doesn't really cause AIDS, and that's a whole other show, and I mentioned this back on Tuesday when it first broke.

01:01:52.000 It's been well known, but yeah, it's finally in the BBC and the Independent and the Telegraph, it's finally in British newspapers and French newspapers.

01:01:59.000 That you can actually recharge your immune system and get it back in most cases.

01:02:08.000 What they do is they find people who already just so happen to have this virus in them that is a mild virus overall and most people that are actually dying of AIDS either already have bad immune systems or already were hemophiliacs and had problems and then they get complicating other diseases or cancers or hepatitis

01:02:28.000 that kills them, but most of the people dying, you know, we're having 100 sexual partners a month, folks, I'm not kidding, were literally, I mean, I don't want to go into any details here, but it's not a very pretty picture, and snorting methamphetamine, but it's not a very pretty picture, and snorting methamphetamine, using street drugs that are dirty, full of all sorts of heavy metals and toxins, and then that just kills your, the life force in your body,

01:02:57.000 It kills the T lymphocytes, and that is what kills you.

01:03:00.000 And I had doctors tell me this when I was like 15 years old.

01:03:04.000 I read this in medical journals when I was like 16 years old.

01:03:08.000 I mean, this is not a big secret.

01:03:10.000 The thing that was weird about it, though, was he was alluding to Whether or not the government has a right, now right, to nab his DNA to see whether or not he has a genetic quote-unquote cure for the virus.

01:03:23.000 Well stay there, I want to hear, well of course they got some weird police state angle.

01:03:28.000 Actually there was a federal court appeal a few years ago where they ruled that when you give blood at the hospital or blood to a company or blood test they're allowed to sell that and anything they find in your blood you don't have intellectual property rights to it.

01:03:41.000 Something we should all be aware of.

01:03:42.000 Of course you own your blood and any value that's in it, but not according to them.

01:03:46.000 You get a blood sample for something else you don't even know.

01:03:48.000 They're busy selling that.

01:03:50.000 So stay there.

01:03:51.000 We'll come back and talk more about it, Ben.

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01:07:18.000 In many cases, the drugs they give you to treat HIV are actually what kills you.

01:07:25.000 Remember Magic Johnson, he had AIDS, HIV?

01:07:29.000 Hadn't developed football and AIDS yet, and then, oh, he just, decades later, oh, I'm fine, I'm great, I don't have it anymore.

01:07:36.000 But see, he still goes out and pushes, be sure and take your AIDS medication.

01:07:39.000 Ooh, he's a big poster boy for that.

01:07:42.000 And it just goes on and on and on.

01:07:45.000 Frankly, what kills you is you snort enough drugs or shoot enough drugs, cut with heavy metals and poisons, you're going to shut down.

01:07:53.000 You're going to die.

01:07:55.000 Or other viruses that wouldn't affect you will be able to affect you, and cancer viruses that were already in you from vaccines or from The foreign RNA that was placed into your bloodstream because you had thousands of sexual partners is going to overwhelm and short-circuit you.

01:08:15.000 And then you're going to die.

01:08:17.000 That's what does it.

01:08:19.000 Now they've caught them in Africa, people who have never been sexually active, whose parents don't have AIDS or HIV. 0.99

01:08:25.000 Let me tell you, the virus that causes AIDS.

01:08:28.000 And this has been in the BBC, remember a few years ago, and they said, well then why do all these kids have it?

01:08:32.000 And all they could link it to was the shots, and then some people broke in, and some scientists in India and Africa looked at it, and lo and behold, there was magically HIV virus in the needles.

01:08:44.000 And then it was in the news, well they must have been there because they were sharing the needles.

01:08:48.000 The UN was giving kids a shot, 100 kids a shot with the same needle.

01:08:53.000 And then I got a call, people say, well Alex, I thought you just said that the HIV virus doesn't cause AIDS.

01:09:01.000 Well, they've found other little, little pathogens and goodies in the shots they're giving them.

01:09:08.000 I mean, this is all over the foreign press.

01:09:10.000 They've caught them adding different hormones to tetanus shots than sterilized women. 1.00

01:09:15.000 They've caught them with deadly cancer viruses being added. 0.81

01:09:18.000 Just a few weeks ago, there was some new cancer virus that spread all over England, and it's killing thousands and thousands of people a year that was in some vaccines.

01:09:29.000 I mean, Paul, Steve, how often do you see stuff like that in the news?

01:09:33.000 Quite often.

01:09:33.000 I mean, there was another article about, um, I think it was in Italy, where condoms were tainted by the HIV virus.

01:09:40.000 Um, but the story about the man who supposedly... How do condoms get tainted by a virus that dies in 25 seconds in open air?

01:09:47.000 Exactly, it's deliberate.

01:09:48.000 It's a cover for the other stuff, and then they're killing you with it, and then the virus is just there, and they go, ooh, antibodies for the virus, and then you never look at... It's like I stab you with a sword, And then make you eat an aspirin as you're bleeding to death, and I say the aspirin killed you.

01:10:02.000 It just, it's... I'm sorry, go ahead. 0.97

01:10:04.000 Yeah, it's a story about the guy who beat HIV with vitamins and alternative health.

01:10:09.000 Again, it highlights a question to me.

01:10:13.000 Is the EU regulation banning the vitamins in high doses, which are not even high dose?

01:10:20.000 Is that simply to create a monopoly market and make money?

01:10:24.000 Or is it because they know that these kind of treatments and alternative therapies aid our health to a magnitude that could never be matched by any pharmaceutical product?

01:10:35.000 Yeah, we didn't just fall off the turnip truck here, pun intended folks.

01:10:38.000 We've been saying vitamins can beat it if you didn't totally burn yourself out and if you stopped snorting the methamphetamine.

01:10:45.000 I mean, I've known several people that died of AIDS in a tertiary manner, and I knew they were drug addicts.

01:10:50.000 And as they were dying, they were still snorting methamphetamine.

01:10:53.000 Because the methamphetamine was killing them.

01:10:55.000 The liver disease was killing them.

01:10:57.000 That's the type of... I mean, go ahead.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, Big Pharma's come out immediately after he made the claim and said, we've got to study this, even though he'd had, like, four or five separate tests by separate medical institutions, which said the same thing, that he'd defeated it.

01:11:11.000 So they're going to come out on the attack, whereas, you know, their poison, Tamiflu, is turning kids in. 0.70

01:11:16.000 Was it Japan?

01:11:17.000 Suicidal?

01:11:18.000 Yeah, well, two have committed suicide and twelve have died, and that's just, that's what's being reported.

01:11:23.000 You know, normally the doctors don't go, the Tamiflu did it, because they think they're going to be liable.

01:11:27.000 You don't think when you die of malpractice, folks, they go, it's us, we killed you.

01:11:31.000 So that number is conservatively ten times greater.

01:11:35.000 That's the index I'm reporting.

01:11:37.000 And if it's, um, Sold as the solution to bird flu, if they play that card with, of course, Rumsfeld and top Bilderberg members owning the stock, you know, that percentage of people becoming ill, suicidal from the Tamiflu is only going to go through the roof.

01:11:52.000 And last time they owned the stock with the Cipro, and made billions, and it's just the same thing every time.

01:11:58.000 Yeah, White House was on Cipro before the Anthrax attacks and it led back to Fort Detrick to secure U.S. 0.74

01:12:04.000 base and they'd done the test years before about sending weaponized Anthrax through the mail.

01:12:09.000 So I mean it's in their agenda to create these bio-attacks because it doesn't necessarily damage their infrastructure but it creates mass panic and terror even on a small level.

01:12:20.000 And they get to also at the same time prance around as our saviors.

01:12:22.000 Does that answer your question Ben in Mississippi?

01:12:25.000 Yes it does, but the most disturbing thing about it was he alluded to intimate domain and how the government can of course take your property for as he said, the common good.

01:12:33.000 He said if they can do that, maybe they can take your own DNA.

01:12:39.000 Was he for that? 0.99

01:12:40.000 The neocons are pushing real hard for killing inmates and taking their organs. 0.91

01:12:44.000 Was he pushing hard? 0.89

01:12:46.000 I mean, was he for it or was he being flippant?

01:12:49.000 No, he was being, he was actually questioning it.

01:12:52.000 He was actually raising that as a question that maybe if someone, I mean if the government can take your property as if we're a piece of property.

01:13:01.000 Well they already call us, we're no longer called employees or staff or members of the team.

01:13:05.000 We're called human resources.

01:13:09.000 Yeah, I guess they'll have a ball and chain around my foot, boat over a cotton row here soon. 1.00

01:13:13.000 What do you think about the FDA about the change the rules where they can take mentally ill children or healthy children that have been taken from their parents?

01:13:23.000 If the government is the guardian, they can test pesticides, chemicals, flame retardants, toxic levels of whatever they want on them.

01:13:32.000 That's just an expansion of U.S. 0.66

01:13:33.000 Code, Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1520A, Paragraph B.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, I heard you talk about that last night on Coast to Coast, and I think that's very sick and very evil.

01:13:44.000 I mean, if we don't protect, as you said, the infirm and the lesser among us, then we've all had it.

01:13:51.000 We really have.

01:13:52.000 I got pretty fired up last night.

01:13:54.000 You think I was too fired up on the show, or you think it was good?

01:13:56.000 No, I don't.

01:13:56.000 It was excellent, excellent, as always.

01:13:58.000 As always.

01:14:02.000 Well, we appreciate George Norrie having us on.

01:14:03.000 Thanks for the call, Ben.

01:14:06.000 We've got to thank George Norrie because he's taken that show in a new direction.

01:14:11.000 I'd say about 40% of his guests now are hardcore anti-New World Order and in the past it was about 5% were.

01:14:21.000 There is no venue that big letting us get the word out.

01:14:25.000 It's exciting.

01:14:27.000 Any comments on Coast to Coast AM?

01:14:29.000 Well yeah, what is it, 20 million listeners, roughly, tonight?

01:14:32.000 It's a great opportunity.

01:14:33.000 It's one that's never been there before.

01:14:35.000 And as you said, George and Uri's taking it in the direction of really hardcore information.

01:14:40.000 They're kind of moving away from the more amorphous stuff that you can't prove, although it's interesting and that's how they got the views in the first place.

01:14:47.000 But now they're tackling really hardcore issues and we can only commend them for it and thank them for giving us the opportunity to be involved with that.

01:14:54.000 I mean, they never tell me what I can or can't talk about.

01:14:57.000 I just come on the air and I can talk about the FDA about to approve the murder of children.

01:15:01.000 I mean, I appreciate that.

01:15:02.000 I mean, I want to save these kids.

01:15:05.000 And talking to our couple million listeners is great, but to be able to reach that new audience all the time, that is really important.

01:15:11.000 And so kudos to George Norrie.

01:15:12.000 In fact, folks, email him and tell him that I said on air I appreciate him.

01:15:17.000 He needs to be supported.

01:15:18.000 When they start doing the right thing, when the media starts taking a bold stance, when people are doing a good job, you know, Lou Dobbs, when he's done good on the immigration issue and a few other issues like NAFTA and GATT and the free trade area of the Americas, he helped kill that.

01:15:32.000 Hugo Chavez does the right thing, we've got to thank him.

01:15:34.000 I mean, when people in power do the right thing, we need to support them.

01:15:39.000 And it's just that simple.

01:15:41.000 But let's go ahead and talk to Maureen in Washington.

01:15:44.000 Maureen, you're on the air.

01:15:45.000 Go ahead.

01:15:46.000 Oh, hi Alex.

01:15:47.000 Hi.

01:15:48.000 I wanted to talk about the EPA testing of chemicals on children and babies.

01:15:52.000 Yes.

01:15:53.000 I'm an MKUltra survivor and I have a story of what they did to me.

01:16:00.000 Well, that was actually declassified in the 70s.

01:16:02.000 It was even on History Channel about five years ago and I interviewed some of the women.

01:16:06.000 This is mainstream news.

01:16:08.000 Dr. Ewing Cameron even lost lawsuits over it up in Canada at the CIA base.

01:16:12.000 They had their thousands, I forget the exact number, I want to say 5,000, I know it was in the thousands, 6,000.

01:16:20.000 over a 20-year period, they would actually, this is how they would do it.

01:16:24.000 They'd have mainly upper-class yuppie families who believed in the system.

01:16:27.000 They had hundreds of fake psychiatrists.

01:16:30.000 Well, they were real doctors, but they were actually CIA, and they'd say, your daughter is a little depressed.

01:16:35.000 They like 10-year-old girls with their favorite they found, the easiest to program.

01:16:38.000 And they would say, give them dust.

01:16:40.000 You've got to institutionalize them.

01:16:42.000 And they'd get them for a few years and first they do shock therapy.

01:16:46.000 Therapy, yeah.

01:16:46.000 It's like shooting yourself in the head and calling it therapy.

01:16:49.000 They then, for six months, every day, LSD, PCP, peyote, mescaline, cocktails, mushrooms, cocktails of this with headsets on, just like I'm wearing right now, scrapped in with bags so they didn't even get up to go to the bathroom. scrapped in with bags so they didn't even get up It was all just catheterized or going into a bag.

01:17:11.000 I hate to get gross here.

01:17:12.000 This is mainstream.

01:17:13.000 This is admitted.

01:17:14.000 This is in Congress.

01:17:16.000 Feeding them, telling them who they are, programming them with key words, and they actually could create total zombies who you'd say, be happy and be a ballerina.

01:17:24.000 They'd be a ballerina. 0.99

01:17:25.000 Now, go totally crazy and kill John, codename Delta. 1.00

01:17:29.000 No, no, I'm serious. 0.99

01:17:30.000 So I'm not saying that you're not telling the truth.

01:17:34.000 You are telling the truth.

01:17:35.000 I'm just saying you're making this claim.

01:17:37.000 We can confirm it.

01:17:39.000 This is public.

01:17:39.000 Go ahead.

01:17:40.000 Okay.

01:17:40.000 Well, I have a website in which I describe what happened to me.

01:17:43.000 I'm old enough to remember the Nazis in full uniform.

01:17:48.000 And I was a part of the UFO hoax, which it was a hoax.

01:17:52.000 They dressed me up like a gray.

01:17:53.000 Okay, so I don't believe this.

01:17:56.000 You don't believe me?

01:17:57.000 Well, see, it's always gotta... MKUltra's admitted, they did that, they tortured these children, they really did it, but no, you, they dressed you up like a gray and you were... Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, before... Fighting with the turkeys and... Wait a minute, before you discount me, would you read what I have on my website?

01:18:16.000 Yes, I'll read it.

01:18:17.000 Tell me about it.

01:18:18.000 Okay.

01:18:19.000 The website is www.reflectionsinthenight.com.

01:18:27.000 You know what I'll do?

01:18:28.000 I'll check your website out, and it may be credible.

01:18:30.000 Why?

01:18:32.000 If I think it is, I'll have you on as a guest, okay?

01:18:32.000 And you know what?

01:18:34.000 I'm sure you're a very nice person.

01:18:35.000 Thanks for the call.

01:18:36.000 I just... I just, you know... The EPA is changing these rules.

01:18:40.000 This is on their website.

01:18:41.000 This is happening.

01:18:42.000 The government did do this to people, and I think if we mix in, dressed up... If we mix space aliens into it, it just... I just can't handle it.

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01:23:13.000 Okay, I don't know why I'm talking about the movie I'm going to go see on the air, but you see what happens is, again, I'm in studio now, I have guests in studio, I'm not in my little cubbyhole pod on board a gray spaceship that I used to do.

01:23:25.000 That's a joke, folks!

01:23:27.000 Look, to the lady earlier, Paul was saying that a lot of evidence shows, and this is true, that black helicopters are associated with cattle mutilations that really do happen, that a lot of people that are getting kidnapped by people in these little rubber suits, Are being taken to underground facilities that we know exist, and that this is part of some larger government psyops.

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01:24:07.000 You see these Las Vegas lights and all this?

01:24:09.000 I've seen those in the stuff of Mexico City.

01:24:11.000 It's obviously a hologram.

01:24:13.000 Yeah, you've got two million people in Mexico City look up and see it, and then you look at it and it's blinking in and out.

01:24:19.000 It's always shot up into a cloud where the holograms can really form themselves.

01:24:24.000 Now we're really off in La La Land, but the lady brought it up.

01:24:28.000 Paul, you had comments during the break.

01:24:29.000 Let's just bring it out.

01:24:30.000 Let's just talk about it.

01:24:32.000 Well, it's in the report from Iron Mountain, another similar document.

01:24:35.000 Some people don't think they're credible, but as Alex said, it's been admitted that they could be.

01:24:40.000 Well, we have Clinton's former Chief of Staff is the head of the Big Quote Disclosure Movement, and we have Big Rothschild's funding.

01:24:46.000 I'm sorry, it's all in your book.

01:24:47.000 Tell us about it.

01:24:48.000 Yeah, there's a chapter in Order Out of Chaos called Counterfeit Foe, the next Hegelian dialectic, something like that.

01:24:56.000 It's basically, when terrorism has run its course, they're probably going to use universal threats, as Reagan said in that speech in the UN, as the next fear-mongering tool.

01:25:08.000 So it could come from asteroids, weather, which they seem to be using at the moment, or even UFO invasions that are staged.

01:25:18.000 It's not like out there to say that.

01:25:20.000 It could happen five, ten years in the future.

01:25:23.000 As Alex was saying, a lot of these abductions indicate that it's basically military testing.

01:25:30.000 They abduct people and do testing on them. 0.96

01:25:33.000 I'll say this, about 98% of the people saying it are complete lunatics.

01:25:38.000 It doesn't help things to have the news saying, take your microchip to prove you're good.

01:25:42.000 Andy Rooney and the former Health and Human Services Secretary Thompson, they really are on TV saying, take your chip.

01:25:51.000 Sean Hannity on Fox News, a little clip of it, is actually in the film The Masters of Terror, and he says, every child needs a chip, I'm buying stock, take your chip.

01:26:00.000 I mean, we're living in this bizarro world.

01:26:02.000 What does that do to schizophrenics?

01:26:04.000 It drives them right off the edge of a cliff.

01:26:06.000 I mean, they're just howling at the moon with all this happening.

01:26:09.000 So, again, we have an insane elite pushing insane things. 0.95

01:26:12.000 You've got crazy people going nuts.

01:26:15.000 Then you've got real cases of real things going on.

01:26:17.000 It gets to where you don't know what to believe.

01:26:20.000 That's why we steer away from it.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, I mean, you need to keep it in its own box and separate it from the real stuff that you can prove.

01:26:28.000 You can idly speculate on it, and it's interesting to do so.

01:26:31.000 But a lot of it, like, you know, this big black flying triangle that people see, it's simply the new Aurora space plane.

01:26:38.000 The technology is 10, 15 years ahead of its time.

01:26:40.000 And that's what Jane's Weapons Encyclopedia says.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:43.000 And they reported a decade before on the B-2.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, I mean they hold the technology back, and when it gets seen being tested publicly, people think it's spaceships and so forth.

01:26:53.000 And they love that.

01:26:54.000 I mean, they would use that as the cover for future technology.

01:26:58.000 That's what happened with F-16s, F-17 fighters.

01:27:02.000 People were seeing those and saying they were spaceships back in the 70s, early 70s.

01:27:07.000 I remember driving home from Fairfield, Texas, seeing my grandparents to Dallas on I-45.

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01:27:30.000 I don't know, it's probably ten-fold or so.

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01:27:36.000 And there were troops and some kind of maneuver was going on.

01:27:40.000 They had some kind of strange aircraft flying low and slow, but it was a jet.

01:27:45.000 I mean, there's so much stuff going on, folks.

01:27:48.000 I mean, come on.

01:27:49.000 They still say the SR-71 Blackbird, in service in 1959, retired in what, 1980, is still the fastest plane?

01:27:56.000 I mean, do you believe that, folks?

01:27:59.000 Yeah, so the Salisbury plane in England, this big black triangle's been seen.

01:28:03.000 That's a military testing ground.

01:28:05.000 That's basically what it is in 99% of the cases.

01:28:09.000 Yeah, you're always seeing it at military testing grounds, and then they go, oh, the aliens are visiting us at the military skunk works, where they test experimental aircraft.

01:28:16.000 Wow, we're seeing weird, weird, weird objects at the experimental testing ground.

01:28:21.000 It's, it's not our government, it's purple blood-sucking goblins from the 4000th dimension, under rheumoroid-reptoid control.

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01:35:16.000 I'm going to talk to Ron, Jeff, Andrew, and Tom, and that's going to be it because I want to get into a little bit about what happened in London when we were there.

01:35:24.000 I want to get off into, well first we'll cover some of the news we haven't gotten to and then we'll get off into London.

01:35:30.000 But I do hope that listeners out there will take advantage of the specials we're running until the first of the year, then they're gone.

01:35:37.000 Let's talk to Ron in New York.

01:35:39.000 Ron, you're on the air, go ahead.

01:35:41.000 Yes, good afternoon, gentlemen.

01:35:43.000 There's something I'd like to bring to the attention of your listeners a little bit closer to earth.

01:35:48.000 This went by pretty much, I think, unnoticed by most people.

01:35:52.000 And it was in reference to a piece of legislation that passed the House of Representatives about a week ago, and it's referred to as the Secure Access to Justice and Court Protection Act.

01:36:03.000 Now, there were amendments added to that bill, and I think they're what make it even the most onerous thing of all.

01:36:09.000 What they did is they put an amendment through, there wasn't much discussion, it was passed on a voice vote, with regards to the posting of what they referred to as personal data on police officers over the internet.

01:36:22.000 Now, they're all legitimate cases in which I do understand that that could be a problem, or a hazard, and they couched the debate in those terms they spoke of, for instance, That's what it's about.

01:36:32.000 Basically, the law is written so broadly that it wouldn't just include those legitimate cases where we should be careful, and I'm in favor of that.

01:36:39.000 I'm not fanatical.

01:36:40.000 about basically the laws written so broadly that it wouldn't just include those legitimate cases where we should be careful and i'm in favor of that i'm not i'm not fanatical however it includes other cases it would wind up shielding police misconduct from shame or from public That's wrong.

01:37:00.000 That's wrong.

01:37:01.000 The law shouldn't be that broad, and it appears as though it may be written that broadly.

01:37:05.000 And it's now in the U.S.

01:37:07.000 Senate, and I think your listeners should pay a call to their U.S.

01:37:11.000 Senators.

01:37:12.000 And ask them just what is going on with this bill, in particular that amendment.

01:37:16.000 Again, let me state it clearly.

01:37:18.000 Well, I'm in favor of certain restrictions where you have genuine and legitimate threats.

01:37:25.000 That law should not be so expansive as to suppress appropriate criticism or the notation of unethical police misconduct either.

01:37:36.000 Thanks for the call, Ron.

01:37:36.000 I hear you.

01:37:38.000 Let's talk to Jeff.

01:37:40.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Jeff.

01:37:41.000 Where are you calling from, Jeff?

01:37:43.000 Yes, sir.

01:37:44.000 Back to what you were talking about earlier with the fake Christians on TV and all that stuff. 1.00

01:37:50.000 It goes in with the Grove, and it's just a couple of little points, and I'll be as clear as I can.

01:37:55.000 The thing is, I'm a member of Prison Planet TV and I've got your new Bohemian Grove release.

01:38:00.000 And I was watching it, kind of listening to the words, or looking at the words of what's said during the ceremony.

01:38:06.000 And it just amazes me, the tithing with the Old Testament, exactly, where Gideon... Oh no, no, this is deeply, deeply, this is black magic!

01:38:14.000 Oh, they're just having fun!

01:38:16.000 No, everything they say is... I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:38:20.000 Well, that's the thing, Gideon, before he could free the people from the Midianites, had to knock down the idol and burn the grove. 1.00

01:38:26.000 And then, the thing about it, when Tarith's talking during the ceremony, he said that, you know, I believe it says, The Voice of Hawaii.

01:38:34.000 After a year ye burn me in this grove.

01:38:36.000 Absolutely, and he says they refer to the owl as a prince, which is how all angels were referred to in the Old Testament as princes, and Daniel 10 talks about the prince of Persia.

01:38:47.000 Look, the whole thing, and ridden the stones of Babylon and Goodly Tyre where they did the Moloch sacrifices, but it's worse than that. 0.97

01:38:57.000 If you really study the occultism behind it, and a listener pointed this out when I screened it at the Alamo Draft House here locally a few months ago, or actually a few weeks ago, He said, are you familiar with Faust?

01:39:10.000 And I had read the original.

01:39:11.000 Faust is a real guy.

01:39:12.000 I went in like 1540 there in Germany.

01:39:14.000 But the book written a few hundred years later about Faust, in there it's care.

01:39:20.000 There's like four or five things that the demon tricks him at the stop police, tricks him into giving up.

01:39:25.000 And one of them is care, but care escapes out of the box.

01:39:28.000 So they're also killing cares like metastabolize.

01:39:31.000 No, I've got your care.

01:39:32.000 I've got it.

01:39:33.000 I mean, this is sick, folks.

01:39:35.000 Everything they say is demonic.

01:39:36.000 It's just pure.

01:39:38.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:39:38.000 Well, in the New Testament, when there was a part where Jesus went to a place and a person that was possessed with a demon actually saw Christ, came and bowed down before him and said, Have you come to torment me before the time?

01:39:51.000 And that's the thing in the ceremony.

01:39:53.000 They say, We know that you wait for us.

01:39:57.000 You know, after our Sylvan holiday has ended, but I mean, they acknowledge the fact that they're going to answer for it.

01:40:03.000 And they said, don't fight him.

01:40:04.000 And just the words of terror, where he says, you know, spit upon your fire, you can't burn me with these words.

01:40:08.000 Do me a favor.

01:40:08.000 You know, I'm so busy.

01:40:10.000 Every time I watch you, I mean to write this up and discuss this.

01:40:13.000 You have the knowledge.

01:40:14.000 You're saying exactly the truth.

01:40:16.000 You even have the Bible verses better than I do.

01:40:18.000 I just want the Sunday School to remember them.

01:40:21.000 Write me an article.

01:40:23.000 Do you have email?

01:40:24.000 And email it to tips at infowars.com to make sure we don't miss it with all the spam.

01:40:30.000 Paul, give them your little email.

01:40:32.000 It's prisonplanetweb at hotmail.com PrisonPlanetWeb at Hotmail.com.

01:40:38.000 And so what do you say to people that watch it and go, oh I'm a Christian, Bush is a Christian.

01:40:42.000 They're just having fun.

01:40:44.000 No, it's all totally crafted with incredible knowledge of the Bible to be blasphemous. 0.91

01:40:48.000 It's like Pat Robertson going, oh Jesus, Jesus, while he's talking about healing somebody and he calls down the power and then actually invokes the spell.

01:40:58.000 I mean, that's what they do in black magic, people!

01:41:01.000 They use the name of Jesus!

01:41:03.000 Absolutely.

01:41:04.000 I lost my point.

01:41:06.000 I forgot what I was going to say there.

01:41:09.000 Dang it.

01:41:10.000 Let's see.

01:41:10.000 The thing about care... I forgot my thought.

01:41:13.000 Anyway, good job.

01:41:15.000 The Whatty What.

01:41:16.000 Have a safe trip home.

01:41:17.000 I'm listening and I'm on it.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, listen.

01:41:19.000 Send us an email and send it to Paul and we'll get it posted.

01:41:22.000 It's a great point, sir.

01:41:23.000 Okay.

01:41:24.000 Thank you, sir.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, we need your help, folks.

01:41:26.000 People are calling who are legitimate, know what they're talking about, got information.

01:41:30.000 Send it to us.

01:41:32.000 And if you send it, nothing happens in four or five days.

01:41:33.000 Send it again.

01:41:34.000 I mean, tell them what it's like reading an email.

01:41:37.000 And keep it coming.

01:41:38.000 It's just like we're wallowing in thousands.

01:41:40.000 Well, we get material which is worthy for the website every day.

01:41:44.000 The problem is sifting through all the spam, which I get, you know, 2,000 a day of.

01:41:49.000 But we are trying to make a concerted effort to take more of the material that you send in and use that on the websites.

01:41:56.000 So we're looking to pick up on that.

01:41:58.000 We also want you to analyze propaganda on TV, and if you can get a screenshot of it, or get a shot off the TV show's website, and then tell us the show number, and then send us the plot of the show, and what propaganda you saw, we're going to create a huge section on that.

01:42:12.000 Because that, again, I keep saying it for years, we've got to make the shift.

01:42:16.000 Most of the propaganda is not in the news, it's on the TV shows.

01:42:19.000 Fiction.

01:42:20.000 Okay, I'm going to take two more calls, because we've got to cover news, and talk a little bit about London.

01:42:25.000 Let's talk to Andrew in New York.

01:42:27.000 Mr. Jones, I read something extremely disturbing today in my local pre-weekly newspaper.

01:42:33.000 I thought I'd pass it on to you.

01:42:35.000 I would have emailed it to you, but my laptop is not very healthy at the moment.

01:42:39.000 I would like to refer you to News & Blue's section of Syracuse New Times on the fourth page.

01:42:45.000 It's the fathers of invention.

01:42:47.000 California inventor Elwood Woody Norris, he invented a soundless sound system that works by sending a focused beam of sound above the range of human hearing.

01:42:55.000 People at whom the beam is directed hear the sound coming from inside their head and he says, imagine you are a lifeguard or coach and you want to yell at somebody, he'll be the only one to hear you, he explained.

01:43:05.000 No, I've had the CEO of the company that's already put those in coke machines in Japan and China five years ago.

01:43:12.000 You're kidding!

01:43:14.000 And the coke machine shoots out at you and it's a...

01:43:18.000 It's audible in the middle ear.

01:43:19.000 It's like a vibration.

01:43:20.000 It's drink Coca-Cola.

01:43:22.000 And I've been told this by a local executive of a computer company.

01:43:25.000 I can't tell you who.

01:43:27.000 I have confirmed it.

01:43:28.000 It's one of the things where I pick up on it and then drop it and never have time to follow it up.

01:43:31.000 Most shopping malls and most major department stores in the western world are broadcasting at right below recording level.

01:43:39.000 That's so low that recorders don't really pick it up unless you're close.

01:43:42.000 And it's recording.

01:43:43.000 Don't steal.

01:43:44.000 Do what's right.

01:43:45.000 Purchase the product.

01:43:46.000 And it's just a happy female voice.

01:43:48.000 Thank you for coming.

01:43:49.000 You're secure here.

01:43:50.000 Isn't it nice?

01:43:51.000 Wouldn't you like to make that purchase?

01:43:54.000 But also, don't you steal.

01:43:55.000 We're watching you.

01:43:56.000 We're watching you.

01:43:57.000 And look, they admit that back in the 40s they were doing it on radio.

01:44:01.000 Movies in the 50s, they would just do a flash of, you're hungry, you're thirsty, drink Coca-Cola.

01:44:06.000 I mean, this is taught in mainstream textbooks.

01:44:08.000 You tell the average guy on the street, he's like, that's a lie!

01:44:11.000 You know, it's just this is our world and we need to become aware of it, but go ahead and finish up what you were saying.

01:44:18.000 Oh, myself, sir?

01:44:19.000 Well, all I can see is this.

01:44:20.000 Well, I wonder sometimes about some of these people who for years have been saying and hearing these voices in my head.

01:44:26.000 I've been hearing these voices.

01:44:27.000 Maybe some of it isn't.

01:44:29.000 Exactly!

01:44:30.000 No, that's the point. 0.92

01:44:30.000 Is it, is it, the real stuff's going on, then you have crazy people, and then it makes more people who are borderline crazy really go nuts. 0.92

01:44:37.000 Can you imagine being a, you know, one of these schizophrenics, turns on the TV and the, and all the talking heads are going, I want a chip! 0.67

01:44:43.000 Our chip's good!

01:44:43.000 Global government helps!

01:44:45.000 Secret arrests and torture are good!

01:44:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:48.000 And if the low-level drugs in our water supply aren't sending them over the edge, something like this, Well, it certainly isn't helping.

01:44:58.000 No, it isn't.

01:44:58.000 Thank you, Andrew.

01:44:59.000 Tom in Ohio, and that's it, because I've got to cover a few news items and talk about England with my guest.

01:45:04.000 Hey, Alex, how are you?

01:45:05.000 Good, sir.

01:45:07.000 I'm calling to talk about an issue with vaccination.

01:45:13.000 I'm a head of a veterans organization here in Ohio called the Unified Veterans Coalition, and I've been studying Squalene in the anthrax vaccines that have been given to our troops since the Gulf War.

01:45:28.000 And I've been reading up on it and contacting Dr. Pamela Asa down at Tulane University.

01:45:35.000 Well, according to the medical doctors we've interviewed, I mean, it's not really good for you, but compared to mercury and the viruses and the DNA fragments, it's kind of the least of my concerns.

01:45:46.000 Well, one of the issues about it is the squalene is actually One of the adjuvants, like you mentioned, like the thimerosal and the mercury, only it causes autoimmune illnesses.

01:45:58.000 So, you know, this goes along with that whole concept of keeping people in a lowered state or to where the drug companies could sell them drugs, perhaps.

01:46:10.000 But this additive has been in vaccines Since the Gulf War, in different levels, they've been able to test it at different levels.

01:46:19.000 It's not supposed to be in there, but it is.

01:46:22.000 They've tested military personnel both before and after they've had the vaccines.

01:46:27.000 And before they had the vaccines, they didn't have the antibodies, the squalene.

01:46:31.000 After they did, and it seems simple enough.

01:46:35.000 It's an oil and water emulsion.

01:46:38.000 But this one in particular makes the body confuse it with its own oil.

01:46:43.000 And so the body goes into like kind of a hyper state and attacks itself.

01:46:49.000 And that's why a lot of Gulf War illnesses are very random and different because it depends on where it attacks.

01:46:57.000 So it's an allergen.

01:46:58.000 Thanks for the call.

01:46:58.000 I appreciate it.

01:47:00.000 I'm frustrated because we can take unlimited calls and we've got so much to talk about.

01:47:04.000 Guys, let's talk about England.

01:47:06.000 And then we'll get into We'll get into documents as Old Chiefs met with Cheney Task Force and a lot more.

01:47:19.000 When we were in London, I mean, there were so many facets to it, but what was it like to have the police march up to you and tell you to turn your camera off when you were just on a public street interviewing people?

01:47:31.000 Well, I mean, the fear-mongering at the time, we were there right after the bombings.

01:47:37.000 Three weeks after the first bombings, I believe, but then there was the second failed attempt.

01:47:41.000 So the state of panic was still quite high, even though Londoners basically were apathetic to the attack.

01:47:50.000 They just got on with their lives, they weren't really buying the government propaganda on it, and in fact the government only had a small window of opportunity to exploit that attack because it soon lost its steam.

01:48:03.000 But what I noticed with the police going back, before I flew over to Texas, I went to London to stay the night, um, the armed police have been removed from the, uh, train stations, the one at King's Cross, which I passed through, so basically that fad's over, now the government have lost all steam in exploiting it, the attack, they've removed the, um, police state.

01:48:25.000 So it's kind of settled down a little bit.

01:48:28.000 Tony Blair obviously got defeated in the Commons right after the attack.

01:48:33.000 He was banning free speech in certain areas around London Parliament Square, trying to get those laws through.

01:48:38.000 So the government had a very small window of opportunity.

01:48:41.000 Attempted to exploit the bombings failed overwhelmingly in my view and it makes it a little bit more dangerous that it could happen again.

01:48:50.000 Now it's come out that they caught MI six connected SAS, Special Air Services, dressed up like Arabs running around with plastic explosives in Basra, shooting Iraqi police and we've caught Israelis doing the same things with these shooting Iraqi police and we've caught Israelis doing the same things with these fake beards dressed Comments on that? 0.57

01:49:12.000 Yeah, you've got fake beards, you've got fake Muslim garb and you're driving around shooting at police. 1.00

01:49:20.000 How can that not be suspicious? 0.94

01:49:22.000 The reports about bombs in the car were kind of amorphous, but it does seem to make sense.

01:49:27.000 Iran's saying that US and UK forces are behind a lot of these bombings, so the evidence is tending in that direction.

01:49:34.000 I want to get your take on that when we get back, Steve, and talk a little bit about London.

01:49:39.000 And some of the attitudes there, I would challenge some of the British people with real issues and they would just say, you've got a little bit of grass on your pants. 0.99

01:49:47.000 Look at you, you dirty little man! 0.98

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01:53:01.000 Thank you. .

01:53:02.000 We already had the presidential tapes with LBJ admitting it.

01:53:05.000 We already had senior officers admitting it.

01:53:07.000 But now the declassified documents have been released by the CIA.

01:53:10.000 They staged the Gulf of Tonkin. 0.95

01:53:12.000 They lied about it to lead us into war.

01:53:13.000 So here's another example.

01:53:15.000 Can you speak about the staging of the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964?

01:53:21.000 Well, yeah, I mean, the latest thing we've got coming out is this, uh, GOP memo which states that terror attacks would be helpful.

01:53:29.000 Um, before that we had the Project Northwoods documents.

01:53:32.000 I mean, these things, these things keep coming out and we keep covering them.

01:53:36.000 They're the same thing over and over again.

01:53:38.000 Saying that staged terror is a possibility, uh, to be undertaken to forward their own agenda to gain centralization of power and more control.

01:53:49.000 And these things come up again and again, and it's always the same figures that are involved.

01:53:53.000 It goes straight to the top of the government.

01:53:56.000 Going back to London, Tony Blair is only accelerating the level of legal and illegal immigrants that come in.

01:54:01.000 They're given welfare, they're left alone, and it's selectively enforced.

01:54:06.000 But then at the same time, they're saying, brace for terror attack any minute. 0.71

01:54:09.000 Can you talk about that hypocrisy?

01:54:11.000 Yeah, well the situation in London I think now has died down slightly because Tony Blair is now seen as a sort of lame duck Prime Minister in that he's possibly going to be out of there in a couple of months.

01:54:24.000 But yeah, I mean, the issue of immigration was brought up a lot during the run-up to the general election.

01:54:32.000 The Conservative Party basically took the stance of We need to cut down a lot on immigration, even legal immigration, because there's just too many coming in. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Tony Blair took the stance of, well we have to look carefully at this and we have to analyse how many people are coming in.

01:54:53.000 But, I mean, basically it's a non-issue between the two parties and the general election basically petered out and they both converged into saying basically the same thing about immigration.

01:55:04.000 So they go, OK, we're hearing you in public, but then they just continue the old policy of letting all the illegals in. 0.98

01:55:09.000 Yeah, I mean, it's almost as if the Tory party were playing off what Blair was saying and it all converged into one sort of mishmash.

01:55:18.000 Well, it's always been that way, and it's only getting worse.

01:55:20.000 What about torture?

01:55:21.000 Stansfield Turner, who headed up the CIA in the early 1980s, has gone public and said the Vice President is the President for Torture, and he went on to say, I'm embarrassed the United States is a Vice President for Torture.

01:55:34.000 Admiral Turner claims the CIA Prisons used for torture are known as black sites.

01:55:41.000 Terrorist suspects are picked up in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

01:55:45.000 They're flown by CIA-controlled private aircraft, which is totally criminal, to countries where they're tortured in secret interrogation sites operating outside any country's jurisdiction.

01:55:56.000 And a high-level former Republican, number two at Treasury, editor for the Wall Street Journal, last week, we're about to re-air the interview, said that he's ashamed of this and that you don't get good data from torture, you can't trust a government that tortures, that they're torturing just to get people to then say they're terrorists to create this false image of thousands of terrorists that don't even exist!

01:56:17.000 Yeah, um, Robert's made the point that, what is it, nine, only nine at Guantanamo Bay have been charged and none have been convicted.

01:56:24.000 We're supposed to believe that there are these terrorist cells running around our back gardens planning things and the evidence just isn't there.

01:56:31.000 Same in Uzbekistan with Craig Murray, the British ambassador.

01:56:35.000 Um, he went over there to assess whether they were using torture, found convincing evidence that they were, he came back, told the British Government, they said, we don't care, we're still going to use the information anyway.

01:56:45.000 And in that country they were, in effect, creating the myth that these Al-Qaeda groups existed, because all the people were self-implicating themselves under duress of torture, which is what Robert stated.

01:56:55.000 But I thought that Joseph Mengele, the Nazi doctor, was bad because he tortured.

01:56:59.000 I thought Saddam was bad because he allegedly tortured.

01:57:02.000 But now in the supposed prisons where the torture went on, our government has admittedly set up rape rooms.

01:57:08.000 Bush says we don't torture, but then they don't need to ban the torture that doesn't exist anyway.

01:57:13.000 It's a complete double thing.

01:57:14.000 He says, I'm going to block the Senate banning torture, but I'm against torture.

01:57:18.000 And Dick Cheney says, well, we need to keep torturing.

01:57:20.000 But then they'll send people to prison who follow their orders to torture.

01:57:25.000 Yeah, how many Al-Qaeda leaders have been discovered at Guantanamo Bay?

01:57:29.000 Absolutely zero!

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01:58:18.000 Five more minutes.

01:58:19.000 Left here.

01:58:20.000 While we were in London, and this film's upcoming in a few months, while we were there, we had case after case where we'd be out on the street doing interviews with people, and we'd be showing the video cameras, and there were people working right there at the Hard Rock Cafe, and I'm like, look at these cameras!

01:58:39.000 They're everywhere!

01:58:40.000 They're in plain view!

01:58:41.000 And the manager comes out and goes, you know, thanks for showing me that!

01:58:43.000 I've never noticed those!

01:58:45.000 He goes, yeah it's kind of Big Brother, but then he engaged in Doublethink right there, he goes, well I don't care, I say they don't exist, and if they don't exist, in my mind they don't exist.

01:58:54.000 I mean, that was actual Doublethink.

01:58:56.000 Steve, Paul, you want to comment on that?

01:58:59.000 Well, let me read a quote from Orwell, from 1984.

01:59:03.000 Doublethink is an unending series of victories over your own memory, reality, control.

01:59:08.000 To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, To hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out knowing them to be completely contradictory and believing in both of them to use logic against logic to repudiate morality while laying claim to it.

01:59:26.000 And this is exactly what we saw over and over again in London.

01:59:31.000 We basically walked out of the hotel as a massive pole of cameras in front of us.

01:59:36.000 So we interviewed the nearest person who happens to be the manager of the Hard Rock Cafe next to it.

01:59:41.000 He says, oh, I've never seen them before but You know, they're there to protect us, basically, but I choose to believe that they don't exist.

01:59:50.000 But you wrote an article where over and over and over again, what about the woman that said, I'm for torture, it keeps us safe.

01:59:59.000 Well, no, she said... Take my freedom for my liberty, yeah.

02:00:02.000 Yeah, she said she wanted to give up liberty for freedom. 0.86

02:00:07.000 Which is just completely contradictory.

02:00:09.000 Well, set that up for people.

02:00:10.000 We're right outside the place where now it turns out they shot him, what, 14 times?

02:00:14.000 Tell folks about that.

02:00:16.000 Yeah, well, we went to Stockwell Tube Station where they shot the Brazilian man.

02:00:20.000 I think it was, how many times was it?

02:00:22.000 They shot him eight times.

02:00:22.000 Eight?

02:00:23.000 The number grew even more after that.

02:00:25.000 It's more.

02:00:26.000 Well, it's enough anyway.

02:00:28.000 And, yeah, we basically noticed this woman who was working on the fruit store. 1.00

02:00:33.000 She'd been interviewed on the BBC.

02:00:34.000 I'd seen her on there.

02:00:35.000 So we went over to interview her.

02:00:37.000 Um, we were talking to her, and Alex asked her if she would sacrifice liberty for security.

02:00:43.000 And she came back with, yes, I'll sacrifice liberty for freedom.

02:00:47.000 Liberty and freedom are the same thing.

02:00:49.000 We then asked her again, to clarify, just in case she made a mistake, and she said the same thing again.

02:00:54.000 She was willing to give up liberty for freedom.

02:00:57.000 Which is, really, it's a direct double think, because the two things mean the same thing.

02:01:01.000 And there were examples after examples of that, weren't there, Paul?

02:01:06.000 Yeah, I mean, you've got, you've got a nest of, what, six or seven cameras and people are out there saying they've never noticed them.

02:01:13.000 It's like, it's a survival mechanism to deny reality, but at the end of the day, it's not even a survival mechanism, it's quite dangerous.

02:01:22.000 Um, we were asking the attitudes of taxi drivers about the bombings, they were all quite ambiguous, they kind of believed the government lied at that point.

02:01:29.000 I think it's flipped around now, just a few months later, it's taken a very short amount of time for people to really question what actually happened.

02:01:36.000 Especially with the laundry list of evidence that it was an inside job, it was a staged event, which we've got on the website in the London Bombings Archive.

02:01:44.000 So the attitudes immediately after were quite guarded and they towed along with the government line.

02:01:51.000 But now I think it's flipped round to where people are really questioning the bombings and You know, Blair's approval rating's going down just as Bush's is, so we're starting to see the tide turning again, that typically.

02:02:01.000 Well, especially when it turned out a SWAT was this MI6 guy being protected, and he's the supposed master of the bombers.

02:02:09.000 Yeah, and then the bomb site evidence.

02:02:10.000 You've got two separate credible people at two separate incident sites saying the bombs came up from below the train.

02:02:16.000 No evidence of suicide bombers.

02:02:19.000 You've got the manipulation of the markets before the attack.

02:02:21.000 You've got public officials being warned. 1.00

02:02:22.000 Same damn line. 1.00

02:02:23.000 It was an inside job. 1.00

02:02:25.000 Absolutely.

02:02:26.000 Hey, it was fun having you guys here in the U.S.

02:02:28.000 and we'll have you back on the radio via telephone in the near future.

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02:06:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:06:07.000 You know, I'm sorry!

02:06:12.000 I'm sorry that we didn't get to any of your calls for the last guest, Dr. Stephen E. Jones, but he just kept bringing up so many important points that we were unable to.

02:06:22.000 But I will get to the folks that are holding later in this hour with our next guest, who we're extremely honored to have on with us, and he's Paul Craig Roberts.

02:06:32.000 Let me just read the short bio on Dr. Roberts.

02:06:37.000 He's a John M. Oland Fellow at the Institute for He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, a former assistant secretary of the U.S.

02:06:53.000 Treasury.

02:06:54.000 He is the co-author of the Tyranny of Good Intentions.

02:06:58.000 And I just had him on during the break.

02:06:59.000 I was talking to him.

02:07:00.000 I said, Dr. Roberts, what do you want to talk about?

02:07:04.000 And he brought up something that's in my list.

02:07:06.000 You know, when I call Dr. Roberts or Ron Paul or any of these great men, I don't, you know, pre-screen what we're going to talk about.

02:07:12.000 I just have them on.

02:07:13.000 We talk about whatever they think is important.

02:07:14.000 And it was right when I opened the show with the day, this open acceptance of torture and the schizophrenia of what they're doing, putting people in prison.

02:07:23.000 But then the White House says that we're going to veto laws barring torture.

02:07:27.000 And Gonzales writes memos saying we can torture people to death if we don't call it torture.

02:07:32.000 But none of them get impeached or go to prison.

02:07:35.000 And then we found out about all these secret gulags that we reported on three years ago.

02:07:40.000 This is nothing new, nothing secret about them.

02:07:42.000 We know right where they're at.

02:07:45.000 Admittedly, it was in the Washington Post in early 2002.

02:07:47.000 They had the CIA section chief bragging that, oh yeah, we pressure them and torture them in different countries, Jordan and in Egypt, and it said we even do stuff for their kids in front of them.

02:08:00.000 Never forget that in the Washington Post.

02:08:02.000 I put that in my film, The Road to Tyranny, three years ago.

02:08:05.000 They say they do stuff for their children in front of them.

02:08:05.000 Here it is.

02:08:07.000 And boy, we learned they do do that at Abu Ghraib.

02:08:09.000 We had General Janice Karpinski on a few weeks ago.

02:08:13.000 They tried to blame them with stuff, but she wasn't even allowed into these CIA-controlled wings.

02:08:19.000 And now that's what Cheney says.

02:08:20.000 He says, I don't Want the Army to be able to torture?

02:08:24.000 Okay, I'll compromise.

02:08:25.000 Just the CIA?

02:08:26.000 Well, that's who does it! 0.99

02:08:28.000 So you understand, when you're for this torture, folks, you're for these big, fat, disgusting demons cornering little children. 0.99

02:08:36.000 And I just can't believe... I mean, even the Nazis didn't brag about their torture on the radio or in the newspapers. 0.96

02:08:42.000 I mean, we're the first ever, I guess since ancient times, to openly say that we do all of this.

02:08:48.000 And, I mean, God help us.

02:08:51.000 I mean, this is just unbelievable, but I've said enough.

02:08:54.000 He's here to talk about that, talk about the police state, all the setups for martial law we see taking place, and he's got real conservative credentials, and he's Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.

02:09:04.000 Thank you for coming on with us today, sir.

02:09:06.000 Hey, glad to be with you, Alex.

02:09:08.000 What do you think of the statements I just made about how we're against torture, but we're going to ban the Senate, we're going to veto the Senate saying you can't torture, and Gonzales says we can kill people, but that isn't torture, because we just changed the name, and yeah, we got secret camps, so what? 0.62

02:09:22.000 I think that the United States government is in the hands of psychopaths. 0.79

02:09:27.000 I mean, these are insane, dangerous people. 1.00

02:09:31.000 They're a disgrace to the human race. 1.00

02:09:33.000 They're certainly a disgrace to every American. 0.97

02:09:37.000 These people have somehow got to be rounded up and held accountable. 0.98

02:09:41.000 Every one of them, as far as I'm concerned, is a war criminal.

02:09:43.000 They should be turned over to the court at the Hague.

02:09:48.000 I don't think we've seen an administration this evil in my lifetime.

02:09:53.000 I include Stalin and Hitler. 0.90

02:09:56.000 Well, they certainly have those grand designs, and I'm trying to understand this, Paul Craig Roberts.

02:10:01.000 Very strong words from you, but it's true.

02:10:02.000 Even Ron Paul, a month ago, without me prompting, said they may declare martial law, they may take our guns, we may all get arrested.

02:10:10.000 The question is, Alex, what the hell are they up to?

02:10:14.000 Let's just start with something simple.

02:10:15.000 Why do they want to torture?

02:10:19.000 It's well known, has been known forever, and all the intelligence services know it.

02:10:25.000 That when you torture people, you get bad information.

02:10:28.000 They tell you stuff just to stop hurting.

02:10:30.000 They'll make up anything.

02:10:31.000 They'll tell you what you want to hear.

02:10:33.000 They want more false intelligence.

02:10:35.000 Well, it doesn't do them any good.

02:10:39.000 So the real question is, why do they want to torture people when it doesn't produce good information?

02:10:47.000 Could it possibly be that they need a whole bunch of terrorists who implicate themselves so they can prove there actually is a terrorist threat?

02:10:59.000 So they go round up... See, another thing, Alex, they know.

02:11:02.000 Our army knows, our government knows, the CIA knows, all these people they have in detention The likelihood of any of them being a terrorist is extremely low.

02:11:15.000 Most of these people, Alex, were rounded up in the equivalent of KGB, Stalin-era street sweeps.

02:11:22.000 They just happened to be there when troops came along and grabbed them.

02:11:26.000 Many of them, and it's been in the news, they have lawyers, many of them were people captured In Pakistan by Pakistani gangsters.

02:11:38.000 And sold.

02:11:39.000 And sold to the Americans as terrorists. 0.80

02:11:42.000 Well actually what the army admitted and the head CIA officer in Afghanistan for two years said is that they would get between five and twenty five thousand dollars per man woman or child and they would just go into little mountain villages of people that never had left their village who didn't even know where America was on a map.

02:12:01.000 This is admitted And it was actual Taliban who would actually then come sell these innocent people. 0.68

02:12:07.000 And the Army's own report said 75 to 90 percent of those were completely innocent of even ever picking up arms against us.

02:12:15.000 And they were just children and families that didn't have papers in order.

02:12:18.000 Yeah, and Arab businessmen who happened to... Anybody who's not protected were picked up by the warlords and the gangs and sold to the dumb shit Americans. 1.00

02:12:31.000 And so the people who are in these prisons are totally innocent people. 0.99

02:12:36.000 I bet you they haven't got five terrorists in the whole bunch.

02:12:40.000 And they know that. 1.00

02:12:42.000 But you see, they can't admit that they've made any kind of mistake or done anything that's stupid. 0.96

02:12:49.000 And they can't admit that They don't really know where the terrorists are, and they haven't caught any. 0.99

02:12:54.000 But how do we get to the point of raping women and children in front of their husbands and fathers? 1.00

02:13:01.000 Well, obviously, the military is out of control. 0.98

02:13:05.000 It has no honor, no integrity.

02:13:08.000 No one is held accountable.

02:13:10.000 I mean, you know, it's worse than the Waffen SS, if you want to know the truth.

02:13:16.000 All this stuff about support the troops, support the troops, it doesn't make any sense.

02:13:21.000 Look, there's something in the Guardian yesterday, and they call it a name that lives in infamy.

02:13:30.000 This is in the Guardian, which is that big paper in Britain.

02:13:36.000 And it's about the American barbarism in Iraq.

02:13:42.000 And of course, we're the name that lives in infamy.

02:13:47.000 So, you know, we are becoming the most hated nation on the face of the earth.

02:13:55.000 Well, I had Wayne Madison, who was, as you know, a NSA analyst, and he said working for Reagan back in the Back in the 80s, as you did, he said if they saw this type of stuff, if they saw an administration doing this in the 80s, they would have thought it's a fifth column, it's communist, they're doing this to make America look bad, they're doing this to bring America down, they're doing this to destroy all of our international connections.

02:14:21.000 And I said, well, Wayne, isn't that what's happening?

02:14:23.000 And he said, you know, yeah, it's a corporate interest that just is strip mining and insanely just in a bloody orgy of feeding. 0.97

02:14:33.000 Well, I think it's the insane neoconservatives. 0.95

02:14:37.000 They deceived the nation. 0.97

02:14:42.000 They committed high treason.

02:14:44.000 They led us into war on lies.

02:14:48.000 It's not working for them.

02:14:50.000 They have to produce the image of massive numbers of terrorists to keep Enough Americans on their side who are fearful, and oh, the terrorists are going to get us.

02:15:02.000 See, they've got 750 terrorists at Guantanamo.

02:15:06.000 They haven't got seven terrorists at Guantanamo.

02:15:10.000 Why do you need to hold terrorists for three years without bringing charges?

02:15:15.000 If you know they're terrorists, it's very easy to bring charges.

02:15:18.000 It's actually almost four now, sir.

02:15:19.000 Yeah, well, four, however long.

02:15:22.000 I think I think I saw just the other day, Alex, that we've actually brought nine people to trial.

02:15:30.000 No one's been convicted?

02:15:31.000 And no one's been convicted.

02:15:32.000 But we've brought nine.

02:15:33.000 So where are these terrorists?

02:15:37.000 If we know they're terrorists, why do we have to hold them for four years?

02:15:43.000 Well, how come we don't listen when the lawyers representing their families say, you've got my husband and my father and he's a Saudi businessman and he was captured in Pakistan and sold to you guys?

02:15:57.000 And then the army interrogators even go, look, these people are totally innocent and they get told, keep them.

02:16:02.000 We're not letting them go.

02:16:03.000 That's on record.

02:16:04.000 Yeah, because we have to have, see, All of this is bogus proof.

02:16:11.000 Well, they also fired Brigadier General Rick Boggess, who refused to torture.

02:16:15.000 He said, I will not do this.

02:16:17.000 They said, no, you don't need to resign.

02:16:17.000 I will resign.

02:16:19.000 You're fired.

02:16:21.000 As I mentioned, Janice Karpinski, the general, she wasn't even allowed into these areas. 1.00

02:16:25.000 She complained, so they tried to blame it on her, but they admitted that the Army wouldn't torture.

02:16:31.000 They said, we're not going to do it anymore.

02:16:31.000 They'd beat people up.

02:16:33.000 So they actually hired prison guards from federal prisons with bad records of abuse Who like to rape little kids and send them in! 0.98

02:16:40.000 I mean, it's unbelievable! 0.97

02:16:42.000 I know, and the whole question is why?

02:16:45.000 What does it achieve?

02:16:46.000 It doesn't...

02:16:47.000 I'm not denying what you say.

02:16:49.000 I'm just saying it's pointless.

02:16:51.000 What does it achieve?

02:16:52.000 It doesn't achieve anything except the bad name for all Americans.

02:16:56.000 It creates terror, as Lennon said, and it creates cadres, it creates torture teams.

02:17:01.000 That's what General Lukerpinski agreed with me.

02:17:03.000 She said they have created cadres of torture teams and then trained larger torture teams, sir.

02:17:08.000 Oh, you mean they're going to turn them loose on us?

02:17:09.000 Yes, sir.

02:17:10.000 Yeah.

02:17:11.000 Well, that may well be what they have in mind, but they certainly aren't Achieving any goal in Iraq except more casualties for Americans by making them hate us ever more. 0.59

02:17:26.000 Unbelievable.

02:17:26.000 Sir, give us some more of your views on this when we get back.

02:17:29.000 Any other subjects you'd like to discuss, it's always very interesting to have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on with us.

02:17:34.000 I think I might have an answer.

02:17:36.000 We'll see what the doctor thinks about my answer to another reason they might do it.

02:17:40.000 See, Rumsfeld told us why.

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02:21:56.000 I mean, I had Ron Paul on.

02:21:58.000 He's never talked like this.

02:21:59.000 And he said, they may declare martial law, take our guns, and set up a dictatorship and start arresting us.

02:22:05.000 I mean, that's Ron Paul, folks.

02:22:07.000 A Vietnam veteran, congressman, most conservative voting record.

02:22:12.000 This stuff's really happening!

02:22:14.000 They really are doing this!

02:22:16.000 But right before the Gulf War, in late 2002, they got a $6 billion federal program, a secret program funded, it was in UPI and the AP and a few other places, called P2OG.

02:22:28.000 And I don't know if Dr. Roberts is aware of this, But MP2OG, they said, we're going to kill people's family members.

02:22:34.000 We're going to attack Arabs. 1.00

02:22:36.000 We're going to stimulate an attack in the Middle East, widen it, and then we can go into Iran and Syria and other areas. 1.00

02:22:42.000 So, the plan is, you know, when they tell our troops to go in and you get shot at in a village, arrest every man down to age 11, bulldoze all their date palms, all their tangerine orchards, that is meant to generate, because do the corporations make more money if we're in Iraq a year and fix the problems and leave, or if we're there 10 years, 20 years, Dr. Roberts, does that now make sense to you or do you disagree?

02:23:05.000 You know Alex, I don't know what to make of it all.

02:23:11.000 I do agree with you that terrible things are going on and they make so little sense that almost any explanation becomes believable.

02:23:21.000 But it's not, you know, all I can say about it is that I know that we are committing war crimes. 0.94

02:23:28.000 We're in violation of the Nuremberg standard that we established when we put the Nazis on trial. 0.51

02:23:35.000 What about federal law?

02:23:36.000 We're in violation of everything.

02:23:39.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 But anyway, and why are they doing it? 1.00

02:23:43.000 And why the, you know, there's something wrong with the public and that it sits there like Idiots! 1.00

02:23:50.000 And that's a bunch of Nazis running wild. 0.99

02:23:53.000 But let me go back to... Let's talk about... Let's contrast the Senate's vote to restrict detainees' access to the courts with what happened just the other day in the British Parliament.

02:24:11.000 Now, in the great United States, we hold ourselves up as this great democracy and liberty and freedom and liberty and freedom.

02:24:19.000 Bush goes on about it.

02:24:21.000 The Senate yesterday endorsed a plan, I'm reading from the Washington Post today, that would overturn the landmark Supreme Court ruling last year that permitted many of the detainees held at Guantanamo Bay To challenge their detention.

02:24:45.000 So, the Senate says, gosh, here's the Supreme Court is going to enforce the Constitution and let people have rights.

02:24:53.000 We can't allow that!

02:24:56.000 And you had that Republican from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, leading the charge to overturn the Supreme Court's upholding of the U.S.

02:25:06.000 Constitution.

02:25:08.000 And then they voted yesterday 49 to 42 to pass this law to overturn the Supreme Court decision that upholds the Constitution.

02:25:22.000 So here they are, the Senate, United States Senate, voting to deep six the U.S.

02:25:29.000 Constitution.

02:25:30.000 And no doubt Bush will describe this as a great victory for freedom and democracy and liberty and blah blah blah.

02:25:37.000 Now what happened in England at the same time, on Wednesday, what happened the day before?

02:25:44.000 Bush's pimp over there, Blair, Tony Blair, somebody who is as despicable as Bush, he said, oh look, we want rights to hold the detainees for 90 days.

02:26:01.000 Now look, Bush wants to hold them indefinitely, forever.

02:26:06.000 And the British Prime Minister says, we only want to hold them for 90 days. 0.64

02:26:11.000 And the Parliament said, to hell with you, Buster, you can't do it. 0.99

02:26:17.000 Well, it's ridiculous. 0.97

02:26:18.000 How, how come England will defend the constitutional right to habeas corpus?

02:26:30.000 And the United States said it won't.

02:26:33.000 Well, Dr. Roberts, you sound like it's painful for you to talk like this.

02:26:36.000 I mean, you've been what I'd call a mainstream conservative for a long time, defending the Bill of Rights, the Constitution.

02:26:43.000 I understand that you understand... Why is it painful for me?

02:26:46.000 These people aren't conservatives.

02:26:48.000 There's nothing conservative about the Bush administration.

02:26:50.000 Exactly, but that's what I'm saying is that none of us are safe, and the heart of America is that Bill of Rights, that Constitution, habeas corpus, that's why we're America, and they're taking all that away!

02:27:04.000 So why is the Senate overturning it?

02:27:10.000 And we contrast that with Britain, and they won't even let Blair have 90 days.

02:27:15.000 They said, alright, we'll let a person be held 28 days without charges.

02:27:21.000 That's it.

02:27:23.000 In the United States, they're holding them forever without charges.

02:27:27.000 Hey, after four years of torture, they'll do whatever you say.

02:27:30.000 Then we can parade them out and scare the public into submission.

02:27:35.000 We're on the march.

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02:30:54.000 All right, coming up in about 10 minutes or so, we'll take a few calls in there specifically for Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and any of the police state issues we're discussing.

02:31:11.000 But, hey.

02:31:14.000 It's gotten just so obvious now how out of control all of this is and we should all be upset.

02:31:21.000 The toll free number to join us on air is 1-800-259-9231.

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02:31:29.000 You can also read some of the great editorials and news articles that Dr. Roberts writes at lewrockwell.com.

02:31:36.000 We post a lot of them at infowars.com and prisonplanet.com, townhall.com.

02:31:42.000 They're all over the place.

02:31:44.000 He's written the book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, these evil people use good people who think it's for good intentions to carry out this whole program.

02:31:53.000 And Dr. Roberts, of course, you were one of the major editors over at the Wall Street Journal, contributing editor for National Review.

02:32:04.000 What is it like for you as a former Assistant Secretary of the U.S.

02:32:06.000 Treasury in the Reagan Administration to see so many good conservative people?

02:32:12.000 I guess they were good.

02:32:13.000 I even have friends who I was on the page a hundred percent with five, six years ago.

02:32:17.000 Now, they're like, yeah, we all got to take microchips.

02:32:20.000 Yeah, because Bush and, you know, former Health and Human Secretary's person says it'll stop terrorism.

02:32:25.000 Andy Rooney says it.

02:32:26.000 I mean, this is insane body snatcher weird stuff.

02:32:29.000 Oh, torture's good.

02:32:31.000 We got to maybe give up some Second Amendment. 0.99

02:32:32.000 So what if Bush is for the assault weapons ban?

02:32:34.000 So what if Bush wants amnesty?

02:32:36.000 I mean, they're not even conservatives anymore.

02:32:38.000 They are literally Bush worshippers, Brown Shirt says, I know you've called them, I want to get into more on the torture, more on the police state being set up here domestically, but when you talk to your old conservative friends and they're still worshipping Bush, what do you say to them?

02:32:55.000 Well, the real conservatives don't.

02:32:58.000 They're not in those places anymore.

02:33:01.000 There's no conservatives on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

02:33:04.000 Everybody that I work with there has been run off.

02:33:08.000 The same at National Review.

02:33:10.000 The people at National Review are nothing like the people that used to be at National Review.

02:33:15.000 They've all been run off.

02:33:19.000 There aren't any conservatives in those places.

02:33:23.000 You know, they're what I call Jacobins.

02:33:25.000 Neo-Jacobins or Neo-Nazis.

02:33:28.000 But look, let me, I want to make one point here and then let's move on to the economy.

02:33:34.000 Because that affects people too.

02:33:36.000 I don't know if you, you may have already covered this Alex, but yesterday in the publication Capitol Hill Blue, it reports a confidential memo circulating among senior Republican leaders, suggests that a new attack by terrorists on U.S.

02:33:52.000 soil could reverse the sagging fortunes of President George Bush, as well as the sagging fortunes of the GOP.

02:34:00.000 You know, we got wiped out in the election the other day.

02:34:04.000 And restore Bush's image as a leader of the American people.

02:34:07.000 This is a closely guarded memo and it lays out a list of scenarios, another terrorist attack on the U.S.

02:34:15.000 in order to bring the Republican Party back from the political brink.

02:34:20.000 So there it shows you the way these so-called Republicans think.

02:34:26.000 I'd like to say, too, these are nothing like the Republicans I work with.

02:34:30.000 They're nothing like the Republicans in the Bush administration.

02:34:33.000 I don't know who these people are or where they came from.

02:34:36.000 It's almost like they came from out of Doctor, are you still there?

02:34:42.000 Yeah.

02:34:43.000 Your phone cut out for a second.

02:34:44.000 It's almost like they're from where?

02:34:46.000 Out of space.

02:34:47.000 No, it is very alien to our form of government and our way of life, but we have other memos from the U.S.

02:34:54.000 government going back where they talk about terror attacks being helpful.

02:34:57.000 We have Gary Hart of the big CFR Commission, days after 9-11, saying we need to use this disaster.

02:35:04.000 To get a new world order.

02:35:06.000 To get people's freedoms and liberty.

02:35:07.000 Let's make lemonade out of these lemons.

02:35:12.000 I don't think it's going to work for them.

02:35:15.000 I think they're going down in flames, myself.

02:35:18.000 Well, I agree with you, sir, but let me say this.

02:35:20.000 I was not aware of this Capitol Hill Blue, which is very reputable.

02:35:23.000 We're going to be posting that right now, specifically, sir.

02:35:28.000 Fill us in.

02:35:28.000 Tell me about it.

02:35:29.000 Well, I did.

02:35:31.000 It's Capitol Hill Blue, November 10th.

02:35:35.000 Doug Thompson.

02:35:39.000 If you have an email, I can send you the URL.

02:35:43.000 Oh, we can find it, sir.

02:35:44.000 What's the headline you have in front of you?

02:35:46.000 GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline.

02:35:53.000 Well, that's a smoking gun right there!

02:35:56.000 Well, it doesn't say they themselves were gonna... No, I know, but it shows them openly talking about it.

02:36:01.000 I mean, this is just... Boy, that would be helpful!

02:36:04.000 Yeah, well, it may not work because it may simply prove that despite everything we're not safer.

02:36:12.000 So it's hard to know whether they're But whether their idea would work or not, people may simply say, well look, you took away all the rights, we went to war, you said all this and all that, and we're not safer.

02:36:24.000 Well, that is the problem.

02:36:26.000 That is the problem with carrying out another terror attack.

02:36:28.000 And that's why they're always trying to do focus groups.

02:36:30.000 They've done focus groups engaged.

02:36:32.000 They had a big study, what, a year ago.

02:36:34.000 The White House paid for a study, I'm sure you heard about that, to see what our response would be to another terror attack.

02:36:41.000 And they found a narrow majority at that time, now they've eroded even more, would support more of their police state policies if there was.

02:36:48.000 See, I don't think people trust the President any longer.

02:36:52.000 Oh, I agree.

02:36:53.000 And so I don't know that they could get away with it, but it doesn't mean in desperation they wouldn't try.

02:37:01.000 But look, Alex, let's talk a bit about the economy.

02:37:04.000 Let's be specific, sir.

02:37:05.000 In desperation they wouldn't try what, Dr. Roberts?

02:37:09.000 They wouldn't try some sort of terrorist attack.

02:37:14.000 Please continue about the economy.

02:37:16.000 Look, Alex, when I was doing Russian studies, I learned that the Czarist secret police used to conduct bombings so they could blame somebody they wanted to get and arrest them.

02:37:32.000 Yeah, that was the white Russian's favorite trick and then of course the Commissariat learned that and they passed it on. 1.00

02:37:38.000 Yeah, so, you know, the kinds of black job operations that governments do are notorious. 1.00

02:37:49.000 But, let's, uh, can we talk a little bit about the economy?

02:37:53.000 Because... Oh, absolutely, sir, please!

02:37:56.000 That's what's really... Yeah, that's your specialty.

02:37:58.000 Tell us about your particular position.

02:38:00.000 I mean, you were basically, in your position, Doctor, wasn't it running the Treasury?

02:38:04.000 Uh, the economic policy, yeah.

02:38:08.000 Look, are you aware that President George Bush has now borrowed more money from foreign governments and foreign banks than every previous U.S.

02:38:23.000 President combined.

02:38:24.000 I was aware.

02:38:26.000 Did you know that he has run up more debt in his time in office than we did in the first 224 years by existence from 1776 until 2000?

02:38:39.000 I was not aware of that.

02:38:42.000 I knew that he had spent more than three or four presidents combined, but no, I wasn't aware of that.

02:38:49.000 No, not just spent, but borrowed from foreigners.

02:38:54.000 Foreign borrowing.

02:38:55.000 Well, that's why a lot of experts are saying it looks like they're actually trying to bring America down.

02:39:01.000 Well, it certainly has given Asians tremendous power over us, because they hold enough of They've got treasury bonds now that just the threat to dump them would send our interest rates skyrocketing. 1.00

02:39:17.000 Well, the CFR openly laughs at America.

02:39:20.000 I've taped them on C-SPAN.

02:39:22.000 Oh, it's over for us.

02:39:23.000 It'll be the China century. 1.00

02:39:24.000 They're the model.

02:39:25.000 That's where we're all investing. 1.00

02:39:27.000 I mean, I'm sure you've read and heard where they gleefully dance on our graves, these pieces of trash. 0.97

02:39:33.000 Well, I suspect it will be China's century. 1.00

02:39:36.000 Well, what is wrong with these neocons?

02:39:38.000 Why do they want to destroy America?

02:39:40.000 I don't know the answer.

02:39:44.000 But the real question is, why do Americans put up with them?

02:39:51.000 It's our fault.

02:39:52.000 There's only a few of them.

02:39:53.000 You and I could probably take them out.

02:39:58.000 There's not very many of them.

02:40:00.000 Why do Americans put up with them? 0.90

02:40:01.000 Why do Americans believe them?

02:40:03.000 Why do Americans vote for them? 0.88

02:40:06.000 It's amazing to me.

02:40:07.000 Doctor, it's almost like they have a spell, but I think the spell is lifting.

02:40:11.000 I mean, you were talking about that earlier.

02:40:12.000 People are starting to see through it.

02:40:14.000 Maybe, but let's get on now with the jobs.

02:40:21.000 The October job report came out a week ago, and the economy only created 46,000 private sector jobs.

02:40:32.000 Not even half of what was expected and not even a quarter of what it takes just to stay even with population.

02:40:41.000 Moreover, almost all those jobs were in construction and I would bet went to Mexicans. 1.00

02:40:49.000 So probably no jobs created for native-born Americans.

02:40:56.000 But the same month of October, The corporations laid off 81,301 people.

02:41:04.000 So the layoff rate is twice the job rate and those are jobs that probably didn't go.

02:41:12.000 But Rush Limbaugh says our economy is the best it's ever been and it's a dirty, commie lie. 0.99

02:41:17.000 What's the point of bringing up that fool? 0.99

02:41:20.000 Let's just stick to facts. 0.99

02:41:22.000 Rush Limbaugh hasn't got enough sense to justify his existence. 1.00

02:41:27.000 I'm not interested in that fool. 0.98

02:41:29.000 Well, I mean, maybe if you take 100 Oxycontin a day, it gives you some type of insight. 0.99

02:41:33.000 Oh yeah, I bet.

02:41:34.000 Now, so what does it mean if the layoff rate is twice the rate of new jobs?

02:41:44.000 It's not a very promising It's not a very promising outlook.

02:41:49.000 Can I bring up another economic indice, and that's energy.

02:41:54.000 We have the oil companies own memos, starting back nine years ago, where they said we're going to buy up all the small, and I mean all, refineries, shut them down, restrict and cut back ours.

02:42:03.000 Then I watch it and then rip people off, create an artificial bottleneck, griping about Saddam over pumping, griping about Venezuela, because there's too much oil, they want to restrict it.

02:42:13.000 I don't think the oil companies, the American oil companies don't own much oil anymore.

02:42:15.000 says oh no we've built more refineries which is a total line and then they question the more as well we have it listen listen I don't I don't think the oil companies the American oil companies don't own much oil anymore they're mainly just retailers of gasoline and and they're actually even going out of You can't build a refinery in the United States because of all the environmental stuff.

02:42:40.000 No, I understand, but that's how this whole thing has been set up.

02:42:43.000 So my question is, where is it going with the energy prices being so high?

02:42:53.000 Or where is it going with all prices going to be so high?

02:42:56.000 Look, let me get on with this stuff.

02:42:58.000 If you want to talk about oil, let's look at it this way.

02:43:01.000 The U.S. Trump...

02:43:07.000 trade deficit with China alone, with just China, the American trade deficit with China, is 28% greater than our entire oil import bill.

02:43:21.000 Isn't it like $80 billion a month or something?

02:43:22.000 No, it's $160 billion last year.

02:43:29.000 I guess the total trade deficit every month was $80-something billion.

02:43:33.000 I saw that number.

02:43:34.000 The total trade deficit this year was about $700 billion.

02:43:41.000 So you can divide that by 12.

02:43:43.000 I wonder why I saw that number of a trade deficit of $80-something billion in one month.

02:43:46.000 Maybe it was some big month or something.

02:43:49.000 It could have been that much in any month.

02:43:54.000 But to look at this, see, people say, oh what about, we have to have Energy independence.

02:44:02.000 Energy independence.

02:44:04.000 But our energy imports are small compared to our imports of advanced technology products, manufactured goods, consumer goods, automobiles.

02:44:21.000 If we need energy independence, why don't we need manufacturing independence?

02:44:25.000 Why don't we need innovation independence?

02:44:28.000 What is it?

02:44:29.000 That people are so fixated on energy for, because, as I just pointed out... Well, it's something they can actually feel on a day-to-day basis.

02:44:39.000 It's something they can actually see.

02:44:41.000 Well, maybe they can actually see it, but it's not a significant element in our imports.

02:44:52.000 It's not a significant element Well, Dr. Roberts, where do you see it going then?

02:44:58.000 I mean, if the neocons stay in, or if they fall, or will we go into a depression?

02:45:03.000 I mean, where do you see this going over the next year, the next five years, the next ten years?

02:45:08.000 Give us your prognosis.

02:45:09.000 Well, Alex, here's what's happening.

02:45:11.000 Middle class jobs are being outsourced, or being filled by importing foreigners on work visas.

02:45:20.000 H-1B work visas, L-1 work visas, so that The American middle class hasn't got any employment.

02:45:28.000 They're being, their jobs are all shipped out or filled with foreigners. 1.00

02:45:34.000 So this will close down, this will kill the universities.

02:45:38.000 They're being systematically targeted.

02:45:42.000 Well, it can look that way. 1.00

02:45:43.000 I think it's just short-run stupidity by itself on the part of corporations. 0.99

02:45:49.000 They say, oh, we can get foreigners cheaper, but then they have to wonder what happens to the American market. 0.98

02:45:55.000 If they destroy the American consumer market because they give all the good jobs abroad, who's going to buy the stuff here?

02:46:02.000 Well, Dr. Roberts, the globalist in many different official UN reports and others have said this internationalism is about global corporations being more powerful than any country, and they want us all interdependent.

02:46:13.000 They don't want a strong nation-state.

02:46:15.000 They don't want a strong America.

02:46:17.000 Look, they may not, but they won't be able to do anything about China or India or Russia.

02:46:22.000 They're not going to put up with the globalists.

02:46:24.000 Yeah, why is the elite giving up its main engine of power, the United States?

02:46:31.000 That's the question. 1.00

02:46:33.000 I think it's just utter stupidity. 1.00

02:46:35.000 It's short run. 1.00

02:46:37.000 It's three month quarterly reporting where everyone focuses on what's the three months results.

02:46:45.000 And oh well, we laid off another 10,000 people and hired Indians in their place and our profits went up and we get bigger bonuses. 1.00

02:46:53.000 And that's as good an explanation as any.

02:46:56.000 It doesn't imply some kind of But why would there be federal programs to pay U.S.

02:47:02.000 companies to move overseas and then ensure the investment if it fails?

02:47:08.000 A lot of those things date from the Cold War, where one of our strategies to contain communism was to develop the vulnerable Countries, the ones that were poor and poverty-stricken and seem to be... Yeah, prop them up. 0.55

02:47:26.000 So these things last long beyond... It's the Cold War is over, but the program system is still there.

02:47:37.000 So what is the... I mean, even the short-term prognosis, what do you think is going to happen?

02:47:42.000 Do you think the neocons will fall, or will they just keep rolling on?

02:47:45.000 You know, they're talking about going into Syria right now.

02:47:46.000 They just broke relations with them.

02:47:49.000 Yeah, I think that they're going to fall, because I don't think the world's going to put up with them.

02:47:59.000 And we think we're a superpower, but we're not.

02:48:04.000 When you produce, see, this year the budget deficit is about $500 billion.

02:48:09.000 The trade deficit is about $700 billion.

02:48:11.000 That's $1.2 trillion we had to borrow, mainly from foreigners.

02:48:19.000 There are bankers.

02:48:21.000 If they say, well, we're not going to lend, we're helpless.

02:48:24.000 We're not a superpower.

02:48:29.000 Stay with us, sir, for a final segment on the other side.

02:48:32.000 We're talking to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.

02:48:33.000 We've been covering a whole gamut of issues.

02:48:36.000 Very informative.

02:48:37.000 And coming up later, we'll have Bob Dacey in studio who went to the Free Trade Area of the Americas meeting.

02:48:43.000 Interesting.

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02:51:58.000 You know, I was out of the studio actually trying to kick the bastard hound out of the studio. 0.98

02:52:02.000 He tried to climb up in my lap. 0.99

02:52:03.000 He's a huge Basset Hound.

02:52:04.000 One of my staff's dog, Baron.

02:52:09.000 Always causing problems, so I didn't find out during the break.

02:52:12.000 Can Dr. Roberts stay with us five minutes to the next hour?

02:52:15.000 Good!

02:52:16.000 Conduct that business here on air, that way we can jam in.

02:52:19.000 Ron, Jeff, Mark, Charles, and Lou.

02:52:21.000 Lou's been holding the longest, but I don't think he's for the guest.

02:52:23.000 We'll get to you with Bob Daisy.

02:52:25.000 Lou, if you want to hold even more, God bless you.

02:52:28.000 Dr. Roberts, we've just got about three minutes now and about five minutes to the next hour, but just in a nutshell before I go to these calls, and I'm going to go right to them.

02:52:35.000 We've got the new Fed chairman coming in.

02:52:37.000 We've got him saying, I'll print even more money.

02:52:39.000 I love printing money.

02:52:40.000 Where do you see it going?

02:52:41.000 I mean, are they going to lead us into total ruin?

02:52:45.000 Yes, they're going to lead us into total ruin.

02:52:49.000 They're destroying the tax base with the middle class. 0.71

02:52:54.000 The spending is out of control, and they're entirely dependent on foreign borrowing.

02:53:02.000 They have to borrow from foreigners, which gives foreigners more and more power over our policy. 1.00

02:53:10.000 We can nix anything we want to do just by threatening to dump the holdings of treasury bonds.

02:53:17.000 And so could the Japanese, but they seem to be too tame to do anything like that. 1.00

02:53:22.000 But if they wanted to, they could bring us down.

02:53:24.000 China routinely threatens it, as you know.

02:53:26.000 Let's take a call.

02:53:27.000 Ron in New York, here on the air with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.

02:53:31.000 Go ahead.

02:53:32.000 Good afternoon, gentlemen.

02:53:33.000 Doctor, it's a pleasure to hear a man who can apply logic so cogently and so precisely to the doctor.

02:53:39.000 Good to hear from you, Ron.

02:53:41.000 Yes, yes, I've been out of circulation for a while, but I'm back.

02:53:44.000 What's on your mind?

02:53:45.000 Okay, to address a few things relative, of course, to what the doctor has been driving at.

02:53:51.000 Today it was actually reported in New York Newsday that the police commissioner of New York City has gone into a memorandum of understanding with the Central Intelligence Agency.

02:54:02.000 We have a local, it has to be emphasized, local enforcement agency.

02:54:06.000 Oh, we have it in Austin.

02:54:07.000 They're setting up local commissariats.

02:54:09.000 And in fact, he has retained, and it seems to be a very favorite place for people who retire from the CIA to come and get a job in retirement, the NYPD.

02:54:19.000 So we definitely got strange going on here.

02:54:21.000 A few other things that have struck me very odd over the last several weeks, and they follow this way.

02:54:27.000 I begin to strongly suspect events in the world, case in point, The explosions in Jordan.

02:54:35.000 Now, if anybody knows Muslim culture or Arabic culture, they would know that attacking a wedding is an extremely taboo thing to do in that culture, if you're not aware of that.

02:54:46.000 That's a very, very taboo thing.

02:54:48.000 Oh, but Mr. Al-Syed, Abu Absab al-Zawahiri, he took credit.

02:54:53.000 He's only been killed 10 times and injured 50 times and murdered 24 times.

02:54:57.000 I mean, it's just total goads.

02:55:00.000 My point is, why would a leader looking for empathy in the Arab world do something like that? 0.94

02:55:05.000 I think he has a very good point, Alex.

02:55:09.000 He has a very good point, and I saw the Israeli newspaper Haaretz initially said that all the Israelis in those hotels had been given prior warning and were pulled out.

02:55:21.000 And it's confirmed that Netanyahu got a warning on 7-7.

02:55:24.000 They later retracted that.

02:55:28.000 But I think the caller did have a very cogent observation.

02:55:33.000 What about local CIA offices?

02:55:35.000 They're setting those up.

02:55:38.000 Well, it's just more paraphernalia of the police state.

02:55:42.000 But that's illegal!

02:55:43.000 They haven't changed that law!

02:55:45.000 You don't list about everything they do is illegal, Alex.

02:55:50.000 The war is illegal.

02:55:52.000 How do they get away with that?

02:55:54.000 Write the memo that says torture people, and then they say they're for torture, but then they send people who follow their orders to prison?

02:56:00.000 It looks like Americans just don't care.

02:56:02.000 It looks like they don't care. 0.98

02:56:07.000 Or they're macho, or they're, oh well, that's just ragheads. 1.00

02:56:12.000 Yeah, they don't understand.

02:56:13.000 This whole thing is directed at us, folks.

02:56:16.000 That's unbelievable.

02:56:17.000 Stay there, sir.

02:56:18.000 We'll be right back with a quick five-minute segment.

02:56:20.000 We'll jam in three more calls for you.

02:56:22.000 Callers, it's going to be quick.

02:56:23.000 Stay with us.

Alex Jones Show - November 18, 2005

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