Alex Jones Show - 20051206_Tue_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:07.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friends.

00:00:28.000 It is Tuesday, the sixth day of December 2005.

00:00:34.000 I'm your host Alex Jones.

00:00:35.000 We're going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:38.000 We've got Michael Rivera of WhatReallyHappened.com joining us coming up in the third hour.

00:00:44.000 He's going to be joining us on the first Tuesday of every month, a regularly scheduled guest.

00:00:52.000 And in the second hour, for part of the second hour, I've got Richard Stallman.

00:00:57.000 Founder of the Free Software Movement, the GNU Project, and the Free Software Foundation, Stallman, is a political activist who recently caused a stir at the United Nations World Summit on the Information Society, at which he was a frequent speaker by openly protesting their use of radio frequency identification devices, technology, and wrapping his own identity badge in tinfoil, and foiling their system and causing a security alert.

00:01:26.000 So that's coming up in the next hour, and even if you're not into computers and software and Big Brother information, it all affects you muy grande in a big, big way.

00:01:39.000 So that is coming up in the next hour.

00:01:41.000 We'll also talk a lot about RFID and tracking systems and face scanning and biometrics.

00:01:47.000 Richard Stallman is not a fan of any of that, and he's going to be joining us to go over it.

00:01:55.000 Paul Watson found a little video clip, or properly put, one of our wonderful listeners found a video clip that no one was aware of that was hidden in plain view on one of these big archive sites.

00:02:08.000 And it meshes with another clip that we've recently discovered, thanks to you, from USA Today TV on the day of 9-11.

00:02:15.000 Yes, they even four years ago had their own little TV clips every day.

00:02:20.000 And in, because I know people don't read anymore, so that's where everybody's going, but side issue, side issue, the reporter there talking to one of the little federal experts about bombs clearly in the building.

00:02:32.000 So we have that clip that we aired a week or so ago, and I need to tell my folks to go ahead and find that clip again on the computer.

00:02:39.000 And then we have this new clip.

00:02:40.000 Police found suspected bombs in WTC on 9-1-1.

00:02:47.000 Reports surfaced of truck parked in building.

00:02:52.000 Now clearly a truck bomb didn't do that folks, but this is the reports and we're going to follow them and we're going to track it and we're going to cover it.

00:03:00.000 Also, we now have, speaking of 9-11, final 9-1-1 report warns of danger ahead.

00:03:05.000 If we don't give up all of our freedoms and accept a total police state, why, Bush hasn't done enough to get rid of our freedoms.

00:03:12.000 The 9-11 Commission appointed by him says that we're all dead.

00:03:16.000 Al Qaeda will literally drink our blood.

00:03:18.000 It's just... 0.90

00:03:19.000 They're vampires, ladies and gentlemen.

00:03:21.000 They're everywhere. 0.87

00:03:22.000 They're hiding under every rock.

00:03:23.000 And just, we're all in total, total danger.

00:03:26.000 So, the men in nice black uniforms with black helmets who build lots of FEMA camps for us.

00:03:31.000 And they're tracking our every move, but leaving the border wide open.

00:03:33.000 They'll have to take control.

00:03:35.000 A poll shows divide on question of torture.

00:03:39.000 Very deceptive headline from the Washington Post.

00:03:41.000 You read into it, and two-thirds of those polled are against torture.

00:03:46.000 Well, they try to promote it and legitimize it and say it's okay.

00:03:49.000 Meanwhile, we begin to learn why we're finding out about the black hole torture camps overseas that we knew about years ago.

00:03:58.000 It's because CIA officers are disgusted and going public.

00:04:02.000 They're not all frothing criminals.

00:04:05.000 But certain compartments are, and those are the compartments that are on top of the pyramidal compartmentalized power paradigm.

00:04:14.000 CIA agents break ranks to disclose brutal black sites, or black holes of torture.

00:04:21.000 And witness A tells of Saddam's trial of electric shocks.

00:04:25.000 But again, Saddam is bad as he tortures, but our government is good when it tortures. 0.99

00:04:30.000 So we're going to go over some of this schizophrenia, this multiple personality by the American people.

00:04:36.000 Also, Dean says the U.S.

00:04:37.000 won't win in Iraq. 0.98

00:04:38.000 That's the plan, dummy.

00:04:40.000 And Witness Tells of Torture by Saddam has been more on that.

00:04:43.000 Venezuela, U.S.-backed opposition, Blue Oil Pipeline, that's the headline.

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00:08:09.000 Alright.

00:08:13.000 Eight minutes, twelve seconds into this first hour, second segment.

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00:08:24.000 He's pushing free software paradigms that will not monopolize information.

00:08:35.000 It'll actually make the internet and computing itself more stable.

00:08:43.000 You know, having really a single platform is very, very dangerous and lets the globalists control things.

00:08:49.000 That's coming up in the next hour.

00:08:50.000 Then we have Michael Rivero joining us in the third hour to talk about the war on terror, which is the war on freedom.

00:08:59.000 9-11, all the evidence of government complicity that's come out, what's happening right now with the war in Iraq, what's happening with the police state here domestically, the torture, all of it, in the third hour with Michael Rivera of WhatReallyHappened.com.

00:09:13.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:09:15.000 It's not about left and right, ladies and gentlemen, it's about right and wrong.

00:09:19.000 I get Democrats emailing me multiple times daily, going, I thought you were a good liberal.

00:09:24.000 You understood that the New World Order was an evil right-wing neocon system.

00:09:30.000 Hey, liberals, you didn't know what a New World Order was a year ago.

00:09:33.000 You didn't know what it was five years ago, ten years ago.

00:09:36.000 And so now that their paradigm has partially shifted, and now they see the global government, they're putting on the face of the world government the mask that they are comfortable with.

00:09:49.000 No, let me inform you, the New World Order controls both political parties in this country.

00:09:55.000 It controls the Tories, that is the Conservatives, and Labor, the so-called Liberals.

00:10:01.000 It is a staged event, so you have discovered the rabbit hole, but you haven't gone very deeply down it yet.

00:10:09.000 And so before you start chastising me, please take some time out to research just how serious things are.

00:10:15.000 Howard Dean isn't going to save you.

00:10:18.000 You're just now figuring out that Hillary isn't going to save you, that she's been staging things with the Republicans, and now that's finally being accepted by Democrats.

00:10:27.000 But now it's time for you to learn just how deep it goes.

00:10:31.000 Conservatives, it's the same thing.

00:10:33.000 Conservatives are just now starting to have to realize that George Bush is not, quote, a conservative.

00:10:40.000 Now, I don't want to start preaching.

00:10:41.000 I've got a lot of news to cover here in the next hour before our guest joins us, our first guest, and we'll have open phones with that guest as well, and open phones with the guest in the third hour.

00:10:59.000 But first off, out of the gates, police found suspected bombs in WTC on 9-11, reports surfaced of truck parked in building.

00:11:11.000 We've got a new video clip today.

00:11:13.000 The report you're watching that you'll be hearing was filed by an MSNBC News anchor, Rick Sanchez, on the morning of September 11, 2001.

00:11:22.000 It can be downloaded here.

00:11:24.000 We have a link to it on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.

00:11:29.000 The details contained therein seem to have slipped under the radar amidst the huge body of evidence proving controlled demolition brought down both the Twin Towers and Building 7.

00:11:40.000 So we're going to play that clip after we play a clip we played a few weeks ago of a USA Today reporter on their own little TV show they have on the web talking to another one of their anti-terror experts saying basically the same thing.

00:11:59.000 Now, understand, we were already aware of some of these reports.

00:12:03.000 We had talked to firemen, police, police chiefs.

00:12:06.000 We have police chiefs on record, fire chiefs on record saying there were bombs, saying they were told to get out of Building 7, it was going to be blown up.

00:12:13.000 We have the owner slipping up and saying that he blew it up.

00:12:18.000 For those that don't know, the FBI, the CIA, Defense Intelligence, IRS, FEMA, City Command Center, State Command Center, Federal Command Center, the entire building.

00:12:31.000 There were even other secret federal agencies in the building.

00:12:34.000 I mean, that thing was another black hole, a black obelisk, that 47-story building.

00:12:42.000 We know about the bombs, and then we would talk to police chiefs, or deputy chiefs, or deputy fire chiefs, firemen, and they would say, on record, look, I've been told to shut up and I'm not going to talk to you.

00:12:52.000 Well, can you retract that you found bombs?

00:12:55.000 Can you retract that there were bombs?

00:12:58.000 I'm not going to retract anything, just leave me alone.

00:13:01.000 So, sure, there's bad reportage on the day of any event.

00:13:05.000 But usually there's more accurate reporting than there is later after the spin machine goes into high gear.

00:13:10.000 So here's the first clip from USA Today's online TV program on the morning of 9-11.

00:13:17.000 Here it is.

00:13:18.000 Joining me is Jack Kelly.

00:13:21.000 Now he is a foreign correspondent, war correspondent, and just came back from Israel.

00:13:26.000 He has some information about these attacks.

00:13:28.000 Jack, what can you tell us happened first in New York?

00:13:32.000 Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down.

00:13:46.000 Now that's the first time we're hearing that.

00:13:47.000 So two planes and explosives that were in the building, is that correct?

00:13:52.000 That is the working theory at this point.

00:13:54.000 That is still unconfirmed but that is what the FBI is doing at this point.

00:13:58.000 All right, now there's the first clip, and it's a little bit longer, you can go watch it on foals.com if you want.

00:14:03.000 Here's the next clip that has been in the memory hole until one of our listeners discovered it last night.

00:14:08.000 We have a big article written about it up on the website.

00:14:11.000 Let's go ahead and roll this next clip.

00:14:13.000 Here it is.

00:14:14.000 Rick Sanchez has been there throughout this morning for us.

00:14:17.000 Rick, tell us where you are and what the latest is.

00:14:20.000 Well, I'm in that area, if you're familiar with this area, where West Broadway and Hudson come together right at Chambers.

00:14:28.000 That would put us about a block and a half away from the site of where the explosion was.

00:14:33.000 That area has just been evacuated because police have found what they describe as a suspicious device, and they fear that it might be something that could lead to another explosion.

00:14:45.000 Obviously, there's a real sense of caution here on the part of police.

00:14:49.000 I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me that they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the World Trade Center, aside from the ones that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive So, their fear is that there may have been explosive device planted either in the building or in the adjacent area.

00:15:18.000 And that's why they're being so cautious.

00:15:20.000 Now, the spin within the spin is, I've been involved on national radio in big debates with, you know, former 2020 executives, 2020 producers, like Lance and other people, And they won't even deny now that Building 7 was blown up with bombs.

00:15:39.000 Scientific fact, we have the squibs or the ejection ports, the key blast points going off, literally, what is it?

00:15:48.000 Like, let me count them up.

00:15:50.000 It's like 15 different separate firefighter tape and police reports.

00:15:56.000 We have the reporter standing down at the bottom of the building when the blast blows out the bottom floor and then, that was the central column, then the other blasts start going off.

00:16:06.000 Perfect demolition, controlled demolition, and then it falls into a neat little pile, not damaging two buildings, thirty feet away on each side.

00:16:14.000 I've been there folks, it's unbelievable.

00:16:17.000 How much precision, I mean the Las Vegas implosions aren't even this precise.

00:16:21.000 It takes weeks to do it.

00:16:23.000 So, for the claim that Cars were there, truck bombs were there.

00:16:30.000 We don't know what the truth is, but we know that only bombs could do that, and there were controlled demolitions on those pillars, on those columns.

00:16:38.000 I don't know if there were third devices, or fourth devices, or separate operations.

00:16:44.000 It sounds like a level of STEMO.

00:16:46.000 We saw this in Oklahoma City, where clearly there's an ammonia nitrate truck bomb that goes off, Just seconds after, and we have the seismographs, the police, the firefighters, BATF on the ground admitting it.

00:17:00.000 On record, I've interviewed the cops, and BATF runs up in full bomb gear five seconds after the blast, just immediately, and they say, why weren't you in the building?

00:17:09.000 Oh, we got a call not to be there.

00:17:11.000 But we know that they had a secondary device outside as the decoy, as the diversion.

00:17:16.000 And we know that a criminal black op group of feds was inside, and we even have got video of these people. 0.64

00:17:23.000 That's been in some films out there, who were videotaped coming out of the building.

00:17:27.000 And then we have outside the decoy, Decoys.

00:17:31.000 We have McVeigh and then these Iraqis who were CIA minions, CIA operatives, CIA assets, who had been brought in and trained in the 80s, and brought in by Bush Sr. 0.91

00:17:42.000 and Clinton in the early 90s, and they're all over the country, 5,000 of them ready to launch terror attacks the instant your loving president gives the order.

00:17:52.000 And they're well taken care of.

00:17:53.000 They're living in lavish homes, driving lavish vehicles with lavish expense accounts.

00:18:01.000 And you want an Arab terror army? 0.95

00:18:03.000 Don't think the globalists are down and out, folks.

00:18:05.000 Don't think we've got them down to the count.

00:18:07.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:18:08.000 Gotta stomp them. 1.00

00:18:10.000 Gotta stomp them a whole bunch, because any day now they can activate these boys. 0.92

00:18:14.000 And it's not going to look good.

00:18:16.000 Or they can activate their other black ops squads, mainly European teams they've got in here, and Israeli teams.

00:18:22.000 They can activate those teams and then they can have Arabs dancing around at the scenes. 0.54

00:18:27.000 Or they can have a militia dancing around at the scenes.

00:18:29.000 They can have whatever they want to run these black ops.

00:18:33.000 By the way, the U.S.

00:18:34.000 government admittedly Northwoods, admittedly USS Liberty, admittedly Gulf of Tonkin, and over 130 bombings admittedly And the NATO option, the Salvadoran option, and the public knows it as Operation Gladio.

00:18:50.000 And just publicly declassified, publicly admitted, blowing up school buses, shooting children, bombing schools.

00:18:57.000 That's their favorite.

00:18:58.000 Gets you real angry.

00:19:00.000 Kind of like Northwood says, killing young people really gets folks upset.

00:19:05.000 It's kind of like that Republican memo that just came out in some of the Washington papers, National News Blackout on it, where they said that a casualty list, a huge terror attack, would really get you motivated and then your fear could be directed again.

00:19:25.000 We have their own admissions.

00:19:27.000 Do you understand that?

00:19:28.000 This is not our opinion.

00:19:33.000 But regardless, I have no doubt that there were truck bombs.

00:19:37.000 I have no doubt there weren't wheels within wheels, fallbacks, patsies upon patsies upon patsies upon patsies upon patsies.

00:19:46.000 In fact, I know in my guts the Feds had a nuke in that city.

00:19:50.000 In case they got exposed, they would have detonated that if something would have gone bad during the op.

00:19:55.000 But as we know, they did a pretty good job.

00:19:58.000 They killed a lot of people.

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00:24:16.000 From the intel I've gotten from police, firefighters, and others who won't even come on this show, but who have been on the record in years past about truck bombs, about finding explosives, Closed.

00:24:28.000 Clearly there were truck bombs in place.

00:24:30.000 Clearly there were diversionary explosions.

00:24:33.000 There were all sorts of explosions going off that day.

00:24:36.000 In the street, around the buildings.

00:24:38.000 After Tower 1 and 2 had collapsed.

00:24:40.000 A lot of bizarre stuff going on.

00:24:42.000 But that's just classic CIA slash NSA slash chaos.

00:24:48.000 That's who we're really dealing with.

00:24:49.000 I'm going to get right down to comic book terms.

00:24:52.000 These criminal groups above our own government that manipulate and control it.

00:24:57.000 You know, George Norrie always points out when I say the government, and he goes, well, don't you mean elements of it?

00:25:02.000 And he's absolutely right.

00:25:04.000 When I get up here and I say the government, I mean criminal elements.

00:25:07.000 I mean very small compartmentalized groups.

00:25:10.000 But the problem is that those criminalized groups are at the very top in every case.

00:25:20.000 And so, the average person in the government goes, I'm just out looking for bank robbers, I'm just out looking for money launderers, I'm just out looking for people that are, you know, kidnapping children, or I'm out looking for the average cop looking for somebody who's stealing cars.

00:25:37.000 Why are you calling me evil?

00:25:39.000 Again, the program, the social engineering, the societal direction, admittedly, is to control us and enslave us.

00:25:48.000 It's not debatable.

00:25:49.000 That is the stated goals.

00:25:51.000 I have Department of Education documents and I can have the former number two head of policy.

00:25:58.000 Number two in the entire agency, head of policy.

00:26:01.000 On the show to tell you about the documents.

00:26:05.000 I can have Chief Economist from Reagan administration on.

00:26:09.000 I can have Chief Economist from the current Bush administration on, who's gone public and is saying it's clearly an inside job on 9-11.

00:26:17.000 Any claim we make, we can back it up with the documents in triplicate from 14 different angles, literally, or more, and up one side and down the other, and then we can provide you insiders.

00:26:29.000 People always say, well, something this big, you know, 9-11, why insiders would blow the whistle, why people would go public.

00:26:36.000 I talked to him over the phone.

00:26:40.000 I can't get him on the show.

00:26:41.000 He did give one interview to the local San Jose Mercury News.

00:26:46.000 A month after 9-11, he was a colonel, the head of the Defense Language School at Monterey.

00:26:53.000 And he said, I trained Adam.

00:26:55.000 I trained some of the other hijackers.

00:26:57.000 These men are U.S.

00:26:58.000 assets.

00:26:59.000 The government was behind these attacks.

00:27:03.000 Remember, they were going to court-martial him, but then they dropped it.

00:27:06.000 Can you imagine him, the head of the Defense Language School, the dean, marching in with the evidence?

00:27:11.000 He was, and I called him up, and it was even worse than what was in the paper.

00:27:16.000 I'll try to get him back on now.

00:27:18.000 It was even worse than what he, the paper had watered down what the Colonel had said.

00:27:24.000 The Dean of the Defense Language School, who said he personally was the head of many classes where he was forced to train the supposed hijackers who were high-level, black-op, U.S. 0.77

00:27:38.000 government operators.

00:27:41.000 Super secret.

00:27:42.000 And that much is confirmed.

00:27:44.000 I mean, I got MSNBC.

00:27:46.000 I'm getting off at 9-11, folks.

00:27:47.000 Remember in years past where I'd do three-hour shows and wouldn't take a single call and wouldn't slow down?

00:27:52.000 I would have like ten giant four-inch thick folders just going through prior knowledge, involvement, bin Laden being a CIA asset, bombs in the buildings.

00:28:03.000 I would go through just, just, just I could have an entire college course.

00:28:08.000 You could have a four-year course on 9-11 and still not know it all.

00:28:12.000 It is just... You cannot pull something off that big and not get caught.

00:28:16.000 And you know what?

00:28:17.000 They have been caught.

00:28:18.000 Absolutely!

00:28:19.000 I agree.

00:28:20.000 You can't do something this big.

00:28:23.000 Something this big, you can't keep secret.

00:28:25.000 You can just count on the people to be gullible.

00:28:27.000 Listen. 0.92

00:28:29.000 Hitler killed a whole bunch of people. 0.70

00:28:31.000 He killed millions of Germans and millions of Gypsies and millions of Poles and millions of Jews. 0.78

00:28:36.000 Millions!

00:28:37.000 That's not debatable.

00:28:39.000 50 million people died in World War II.

00:28:40.000 It was a bloodbath.

00:28:43.000 Joe Stalin, before and after World War II, killed 50 mil himself.

00:28:48.000 But in Nazi Germany, most Germans, it wasn't that they didn't know something was going on, they chose not to see it.

00:28:58.000 They chose not to see it.

00:29:00.000 And that's exactly what... You've got a choice.

00:29:03.000 Choose sides.

00:29:04.000 Pick a side. 1.00

00:29:05.000 Because you know in your guts, and you know in your soul, and you know deep down in your intellect, you're not as stupid as you think you are. 1.00

00:29:05.000 Are you with us? 1.00

00:29:12.000 You're smart.

00:29:14.000 You've just chosen not to be informed.

00:29:15.000 You've chosen to be an expert on things that don't matter.

00:29:17.000 Become an expert on things that do matter.

00:29:19.000 Right now listening, police officers, lawyers, judges, auto mechanics, school teachers, liberals, conservatives, Bug-eyed yuppies!

00:29:29.000 Right now, listen to me.

00:29:31.000 You know in your gut.

00:29:34.000 You know without a shadow of a doubt.

00:29:36.000 Seriously!

00:29:37.000 Look yourself in the mirror.

00:29:38.000 You're in a red light right now.

00:29:39.000 Pull down that blind. 1.00

00:29:41.000 Look yourself in the eyes.

00:29:43.000 You know I'm right.

00:29:46.000 You know it's true.

00:29:48.000 Don't you?

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

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00:32:02.000 Government is best which governs least.

00:32:05.000 Wake up and smell the fascism.

00:32:06.000 Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.

00:32:09.000 What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?

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00:38:41.000 Or you can write to me, Alex Jones, at 3001 South Lamar, L-A-M-A-R, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

00:38:52.000 There's all these mainline establishment types who are legends in their own minds.

00:38:58.000 There's all these people that still don't understand what's happened in this country.

00:39:03.000 They still don't understand.

00:39:04.000 They don't even look at their own polls that show that we're winning.

00:39:08.000 They don't realize that there is a peaceful revolution of informational war taking place, that their crimes are being exposed at an exponential rate.

00:39:19.000 Let's push it over the edge while they're still blind to what's happening, while they're still sucking their thumbs, while their minions are still basking in the Maui sun. 0.93

00:39:28.000 Let's expose them now!

00:39:30.000 Let's rush the gates now! 0.99

00:39:32.000 Let's spread the word now!

00:39:34.000 Before they carry out the next terror attack, and before we go to the next level, which is open martial law, which you've openly heard them pushing.

00:39:43.000 You see, that's another big problem that the globalists have, is that everything we've talked about Everything we've written about, everything we've covered has come true exactly as we said it would.

00:39:54.000 And how did we know?

00:39:56.000 How did I know five years ago they'd openly be saying we all need microchips because it's cool and because it keeps us safe from terrorists?

00:40:02.000 I was laughed at.

00:40:03.000 Not now.

00:40:04.000 How did we know they'd carry out terror attacks in the World Trade Center and blame it on their asset bin Laden? 0.65

00:40:08.000 Because we know.

00:40:09.000 We've studied the facts.

00:40:10.000 How did we know that Iraq would be a total failure and that they would pose and say that they'd failed and then bring in later foreign troops? 0.96

00:40:18.000 How did we know they'd use natural disasters to bring foreign troops into America to set that precedent and ratchet it up next time? 0.95

00:40:24.000 Because it's all in policy reports.

00:40:26.000 It's all in documents.

00:40:27.000 And please don't email me and say, where are the documents?

00:40:29.000 We post them every day.

00:40:31.000 You go read them.

00:40:32.000 Go look at them.

00:40:33.000 When you get, when you see some 500 page PDF file from PNAC, or from Rand Corporation, or from the Naval War College, or from any of these groups, from the IMF, from the World Bank, when you see that there, don't, don't, don't just, I'm not going to read it.

00:40:50.000 Go read it!

00:40:52.000 Do what we do!

00:40:53.000 Know it!

00:40:54.000 Hear them call you slaves. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Hear them call you stupid. 1.00

00:40:57.000 Hear them talk about how they're going to take everything you've got. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I dare the people out there that want to make fun of this show.

00:41:05.000 People want to make little smirking jokes about it.

00:41:07.000 Your enemy is not your friend.

00:41:09.000 Your enemy, just because they give you a bunch of sophistry and soft soap pap about how they love you and about how they're taking care of you and about how you're part of the system and you're part of the power grid because you're a little bureaucrat.

00:41:24.000 You need to go read exactly what they say about you.

00:41:29.000 And then you think about this social engineering we're under.

00:41:34.000 The 9-11 Commission final 9-1-1 report warns of danger ahead.

00:41:40.000 In the scathing final report, the 9-1-1 Commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks says the United States wasn't ready then and isn't ready now.

00:41:48.000 And they go on to criticize in the quote, bipartisan body, see this article out of CBC is how they're, they're bipartisan, they're good, they're independent.

00:41:58.000 It's like saying Heinrich Himmler and Herman Goering were in a bi-partisan panel and they supported the Fuhrer's program for living space.

00:42:09.000 And he said Lehmansstrau or however, I don't know.

00:42:13.000 The commission recommended both sweeping and specific reforms.

00:42:16.000 National ID cards, Patriot Act II, total control, The commission, the day they were formed by George Bush, literally appointing a commission, every one of them in business with Lockheed Martin or Carlisle Group or Bechtel, every one of them.

00:42:36.000 I mean, some of them clearly involved in running 9-11.

00:42:39.000 And we've got whole shows on that.

00:42:42.000 And they call it, it's like when Janet Reno appointed Senator Dan Burton to investigate her And it was run by her office with her two deputies assisting him and he was the old whitewash man for twenty years. 0.92

00:42:58.000 It's like they always appoint Spectre who was the guy who was on, who was a staffer on the Warren Commission back in the mid-sixties saying magic bullets shoot through two people, four bones, metal and a seat and don't even deform. 0.91

00:43:11.000 Just totally ridiculous.

00:43:13.000 For anybody that's ever shot bullets into things and dug them out, as I've done hundreds of times, Being somewhat of an aficionado on such things. 0.95

00:43:22.000 The point is, is that, is that it's insane.

00:43:29.000 And, again, this is how they create false paradigms.

00:43:32.000 This is the most simple, easy to understand example.

00:43:36.000 They know that the human mind wants choices.

00:43:38.000 They know, then, that they will say, okay, you've got a choice. 1.00

00:43:42.000 We're either going to cut your head off, your arms and your legs off. 0.99

00:43:46.000 That's what the 9-11 Commission wants. 1.00

00:43:49.000 Or Bush will just cut your head off. 1.00

00:43:52.000 And see, that then makes Bush sound reasonable just wanting to cut your head off. 1.00

00:43:55.000 Of course, it's not going to matter if they cut your arms and legs off after they've cut your head off. 0.96

00:44:01.000 In fact, they complain at Bush for not getting things passed that have already passed.

00:44:07.000 But they leverage it and then push for even more stuff that now Bush is proposing and having trouble ramming through.

00:44:13.000 So they're nothing but a salve.

00:44:15.000 Nothing but a, well, the Blue Ribbon Commission says exactly what Bush wants he should get.

00:44:20.000 And they're independent.

00:44:21.000 They're bipartisan.

00:44:25.000 So they move way over on the extreme end of the spectrum.

00:44:29.000 Total martial law.

00:44:31.000 And then Bush is just a fraction off of that, and then they are at the dead polar center of martial law, in the center of it, black hole, I'm kind of stuck on that word today, it is a black hole of tyranny, and then he can get aid and comfort from that and go, well look, even the bipartisan independent commission wants what I want!

00:44:51.000 And the average person reads this and goes, well they're a bipartisan independent commission!

00:44:55.000 Because it says so!

00:44:56.000 It just all lies!

00:45:02.000 And it just goes on from page after page about how wonderful all this is.

00:45:06.000 And here's another Senate panel backs, again, forced inoculation and total liability protection for the vaccine makers.

00:45:12.000 Here's another one.

00:45:13.000 Poll shows divide on questions of torture.

00:45:19.000 This is the Washington Post.

00:45:20.000 Deception number one.

00:45:21.000 And literally, I read this article this morning, and there are, I've got 15 notes written here.

00:45:27.000 And I can't cover them all.

00:45:29.000 For the website, I wrote three comments.

00:45:32.000 It took me about 60 seconds.

00:45:34.000 That's all I had time to do.

00:45:35.000 You'll see a lot of comments on a lot of the stories.

00:45:37.000 I write some.

00:45:38.000 Slick Eisen writes some.

00:45:39.000 The Watties write some.

00:45:40.000 My wife writes some.

00:45:42.000 But on this, I made a few comments.

00:45:45.000 But see if you can pick out the other 12 lies in here.

00:45:49.000 And they're clearly more than that.

00:45:54.000 And really more than lies, they're spin, or they're misrepresentations, or they're lying by omission.

00:46:00.000 Now listen, polls shows divide on question of torture.

00:46:05.000 Now a divide, classically, is seen as a 50-50 split.

00:46:09.000 Divide in its modern, semantical, Connotation.

00:46:14.000 In the mental lexicon, that word, which is a symbol, is recognized by the cerebral cortex as a divide, or a canyon, with an equal divide, a separation.

00:46:27.000 Deception number one.

00:46:29.000 Over two-thirds are against the torture in the eight countries poll.

00:46:34.000 Then there's lies in here about how Mexico's our ally.

00:46:37.000 They are not our ally.

00:46:38.000 There are so many... Perhaps we should just cancel all the gas and spend all day on this one article and cover the 15 lies.

00:46:45.000 Listen to this.

00:46:47.000 People in 8 countries that are American allies don't want the United States conducting secret interrogations of terror suspects on their soil and AP poll found.

00:46:57.000 Oh, but see, there's the deception.

00:46:59.000 They claim that there is another level of divide because the majority of the foreigners don't like it, but Americans do.

00:47:06.000 But then you find in bowls here, it is a majority that don't like torture.

00:47:10.000 And of course there's another schizophrenia there.

00:47:12.000 The people that are for torture here all hate Saddam because he allegedly, and of course he did, he was our boy, torture.

00:47:19.000 So it's bad when he tortures, but good when we torture.

00:47:22.000 But at the same time they're against torture even though the next day they're for torture.

00:47:25.000 Double think. 0.90

00:47:25.000 Mental illness. 0.90

00:47:27.000 Anxiety about recent reports of secret prisons run by the CIA in Eastern Europe has been highlighted.

00:47:33.000 Anxiety about recent reports We still don't call it allegations.

00:47:37.000 Last week it was allegations.

00:47:39.000 In your own Washington Post, they have a CIA section chief, months after 9-11, saying they were torturing people and their children in foreign countries. 0.96

00:47:50.000 And the Post isn't dumb.

00:47:51.000 They know how to do a Google search or a LexisNexis.

00:47:54.000 Anxiety about Recent reports of secret prisons run by the CIA in Eastern Europe have been highlighted by an ongoing debate on the use of torture.

00:48:03.000 The poll found Americans and residents of many of the Allied countries divided on the question of torture with about as many saying it's okay in some cases as those saying it should never be used.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, here they'll go if the guy's got a nuclear bomb strapped to a city and he won't tell you where it is, can you torture him?

00:48:25.000 You know, that one in a billion reasons, and they use that to get us to accept it.

00:48:29.000 They crack the ice, they crack the shell.

00:48:32.000 And then, next month, should we torture small children in front of their parents?

00:48:35.000 Yes, yes, yes. 1.00

00:48:37.000 Should we rape women? 1.00

00:48:38.000 Yes, yes, yes. 1.00

00:48:39.000 If it stops Al-Qaeda?

00:48:42.000 See, and then your journey towards being a Nazi prison guard is complete.

00:48:47.000 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who is traveling in Europe this week, said Monday, the United States is following all laws and treaties on the treatment of terrorism suspects and has shared intelligence with its allies that has helped protect European countries from attack and saving European lives.

00:49:05.000 So, torture has saved you, see?

00:49:09.000 There's the message.

00:49:10.000 We don't torture, but we're blocking a Senate law that would ban torture, and we'll send people to prison that openly follow our orders to torture.

00:49:18.000 But Saddam's bad, and we're going to call witnesses in that they hooked electrodes to people and shocked them, but we're doing it, and it's good. 1.00

00:49:26.000 Okay.

00:49:27.000 Like other U.S. 0.94

00:49:28.000 officials, Rice has refused to answer the underlying question of whether the CIA operated secret Soviet-era prisons in Eastern Europe, and whether CIA flights arrived in al-Qaeda prisoners.

00:49:39.000 Well wait, you mean alleged Al-Qaeda.

00:49:41.000 If they're real Al-Qaeda, they get paid in gold and dropped off by the U.S.

00:49:44.000 government.

00:49:44.000 That's public, wasn't it?

00:49:46.000 Through European airports.

00:49:47.000 will use every lawful weapon to defeat these terrorists.

00:49:47.000 She said the U.S.

00:49:50.000 What does that mean?

00:49:54.000 It says about two-thirds of people living in Canada, Mexico, South Korea and Spain said they would oppose allowing the U.S.

00:49:59.000 to secretly interrogate terror suspects in their countries.

00:50:02.000 Almost that many in Britain, France, Germany and Italy said they feel the same way.

00:50:05.000 Almost two-thirds of the United States supports such interrogations in the U.S.

00:50:10.000 by their own government.

00:50:12.000 And they don't even cite that poll.

00:50:14.000 I don't believe that.

00:50:15.000 I've seen polls where 55-60% are against it.

00:50:18.000 I mean, is there some poll I don't know of where they Well yeah, I guess there are polls I've seen where it's not that many, but it is a slight majority when they say, if he's got a bomb, and he's gonna release it, and they're gonna kill children, should they use pressure to get it? 0.98

00:50:31.000 And of course the stupid milquetoast American doesn't know that torture never works, you can't trust a government that tortures, and you can't trust the data that comes from torture. 0.98

00:50:40.000 But facts don't get in the way! 1.00

00:50:42.000 It doesn't matter if former CIA directors go public and say it's a shame and it doesn't work.

00:50:48.000 Torture is only good for getting fake confessions.

00:50:52.000 Torture was used by the Nazis, the Soviets, and every other evil group you can shake a stick at. 0.88

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00:54:01.000 We don't need no education.

00:54:10.000 We don't need no thought control.

00:54:14.000 No dark sarcasm in the classroom.

00:54:23.000 Teacher, leave them kids alone. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Hey! 0.99

00:54:27.000 Teacher, leave them kids alone Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone All in all, it's just a year and a brick in the middle

00:54:51.000 And ladies and gentlemen, keep it rolling.

00:55:05.000 You really do need to build a wall against the propaganda, enemy transmissions, but you need turrets, parapets, You need to be able to look out at the enemy transmissions and use them to spur you towards fighting them even more.

00:55:23.000 You need to become conscious and aware of their different criminal activities and their predatory view on you and your family.

00:55:34.000 And they all see us as children.

00:55:35.000 Children to be brainwashed and brain damaged by their programs of control.

00:55:40.000 That needs to come to an end!

00:55:44.000 Just blast through your phone calls and I'll hold our guest up a little bit in the next hour so we can try to get to all of you.

00:55:49.000 I'm going to move quickly.

00:55:50.000 Kenneth in Louisiana.

00:55:52.000 Go ahead, you're up first.

00:55:53.000 Welcome.

00:55:55.000 Yeah, Alex, I have a series of satellite radio and they have BBC and they've been covering what you've been covering about the shadow government of the United States and Russia bringing people to torture camps.

00:56:10.000 One thing I like about BBC, they're a little bit more in-depth.

00:56:14.000 For instance, when the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Fox News would say, look at all the good people cheering, while BBC would say, look at all the socialists cheering.

00:56:28.000 I want to give BBC a little plug on that.

00:56:33.000 Our media knew who it was.

00:56:35.000 Knew it was Chalambi leading a group of 25 of his armed mercenaries, pulling it down.

00:56:41.000 And the point is, I'm no fan of Saddam, but don't stage something with a guy who was going to become president. 0.78

00:56:46.000 I mean, there's the guy who was to be president.

00:56:48.000 Everybody knows who he is.

00:56:49.000 To the Iraqis on TV, it would be like watching George Bush cut down the statue.

00:56:55.000 But here they just said, look at these locals. 0.96

00:56:58.000 I mean, just knowing how dumb we are that the average American won't even know, oh look, that's Shalabi's men! 0.98

00:57:06.000 Yeah, well, the average American doesn't think. 0.99

00:57:08.000 They're intellectually probably not too bright.

00:57:11.000 I was arguing with a church person not too long ago, and he was saying there's no such thing as a conspiracy.

00:57:18.000 All men are created equal and think the same.

00:57:20.000 And Jesus called people serpents and goats and sheep, so Well, why are there hundreds of thousands of charges of conspiracy a year?

00:57:29.000 No, I know!

00:57:30.000 They've actually brainwashed the public where the government can do no wrong, cannot engage in a conspiracy.

00:57:37.000 Big secret organizations, the first thing to always conspire.

00:57:40.000 Oh no, it's impossible!

00:57:42.000 But then, oh yes, the bank robbers, they did conspire.

00:57:46.000 You mention a lot about the neocons, and the modern evangelicals I think it's even worse.

00:57:53.000 Sir, they're openly saying, take microchips, world government's good, China's good, we're going to have Jesus will soon be among us, we'll worship him as our world leader.

00:58:00.000 No, I'm not joking.

00:58:03.000 Yeah, they promote a lot of democracy, and I don't know where they get permission from Jesus Christ to do that, but there's an old slogan, it goes like this, where God's law is absent, the devil is present, and it seems like that's very true.

00:58:21.000 Good to hear from you, my friend.

00:58:22.000 Take care.

00:58:24.000 No, I mean, I'm scared to tell people to go to church because I'm afraid they'll go to one of these New World Order churches. 1.00

00:58:28.000 But again, if you're the devil, what are you going to take over first?

00:58:31.000 I mean, you take over the church, you've got it made.

00:58:35.000 That's all Christ did was rebuke the church, but nowadays, oh no, the church is perfect, too.

00:58:39.000 It's fine.

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00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:27.000 We've got a guest coming up who's even addressing the United Nations on security issues and what's happening with the Internet.

00:59:35.000 If you're talking to a guy from the United Nations, you can tell me one out of it.

00:59:38.000 And then, by the way, in the third hour, we've got Michael Rivera of WhatReallyHappened.com joining us.

00:59:43.000 Right now, let's go to Chris in Arkansas.

00:59:45.000 Then we'll talk to Nathan and Eddie and others.

00:59:50.000 Go ahead.

00:59:51.000 You're on the air, Chris.

00:59:52.000 Well, if you're talking to a guy from the United Nations, you can tell me one out of it.

00:59:57.000 No, I said he has addressed the United Nations.

00:59:59.000 Oh, he's addressing the United Nations.

01:00:01.000 Okay, I got you.

01:00:02.000 Well, you were talking earlier about just word games and doublespeak.

01:00:07.000 And things like that.

01:00:10.000 And you can look in public schools in their textbooks, and they'll say things like, random mutations produce the genetic material required to create new organisms.

01:00:22.000 They'll say stuff like that and they won't show a picture of it or anything.

01:00:25.000 And that's not true.

01:00:25.000 It doesn't create a new organism.

01:00:28.000 Random mutations change the coding of that specific organism, but it's not a new organism.

01:00:36.000 And, you know, yeah, there's lots of deceptions.

01:00:38.000 Or they'll say you have a right to not be in danger from guns.

01:00:42.000 You have a right to turn your guns in.

01:00:44.000 Yeah, yeah, and you get into stuff like where you'll have anti-abortion and pro-life, you know.

01:00:51.000 Things of that nature.

01:00:52.000 There's all those kinds of word games, but I would just really urge the American people to get an assault rifle and learn how to use it.

01:01:03.000 That is your right as a citizen.

01:01:07.000 It's your birthright, what our founding fathers said.

01:01:11.000 The sword is the birthright of an American citizen.

01:01:14.000 Get an assault rifle and learn how to use it.

01:01:18.000 It doesn't mean that you're some kind of Well, I'll rest my case on this.

01:01:26.000 Statistically, people in government, period, are more criminal than any other strata of society.

01:01:32.000 And that's throughout history, through modern statistics, all over the world.

01:01:36.000 It's common sense, but you can go look those numbers up.

01:01:39.000 People can say, well, statistics lie.

01:01:41.000 No, folks.

01:01:42.000 There's some statistics like more people die during the holidays from drunk drivers than any other time.

01:01:48.000 There's a lot of statistics that we really know are down pat.

01:01:51.000 And government is where criminals radiate.

01:01:54.000 It's very corrupting.

01:01:55.000 Why do we trust the government then to have guns, but not the people?

01:01:59.000 You see, this is the warped mindset.

01:02:03.000 It's a foundation of our entire country.

01:02:06.000 I wanted to bring up one other thing, Alex.

01:02:08.000 It's real interesting in the Bible, where in Genesis, the earth, there was no civil government.

01:02:15.000 There was a patriarchal system.

01:02:17.000 Everything was run by the fathers, the heads of the families.

01:02:21.000 And the earth became extremely, extremely wicked.

01:02:25.000 As a result of that, of course, the flood happened, which there's evidence of that all over the planet, a global flood.

01:02:32.000 But anyway, the flood happened, and so After the flood, God institutes civil government, and it's just interesting, that paradigm, because you have, in the beginning of mankind's history, there's no government, and the whole planet's just going crazy, and it's just mass brutality everywhere.

01:02:52.000 But then what does God do?

01:02:53.000 He comes in, He sets up government to protect the innocent and punish evildoers.

01:03:00.000 And now it looks like humanity has turned that right around on its head and has corrupted what God has given us.

01:03:06.000 That's all I wanted to say.

01:03:08.000 I just wanted your thoughts on that.

01:03:09.000 Well, thanks for the call.

01:03:10.000 I appreciate it.

01:03:11.000 You know, that gets into Romans 13 and all of it, and clearly, I mean, the entire Bible and just our history and common sense says you fight corrupt governments.

01:03:23.000 But people say, no, Romans 13, we should submit to Hitler, we should submit to Stalin, we should do whatever they say.

01:03:28.000 In fact, we shouldn't be against abortion because the government says it's good. 0.98

01:03:32.000 And that's just ridiculous. 0.88

01:03:33.000 It's all taken out of context. 0.95

01:03:36.000 But, you know, according to Romans 13, if you take it out of context, our founding fathers were devil worshippers.

01:03:41.000 All right, we'll be right back, folks, with our guest.

01:03:43.000 You don't want to miss this.

01:03:45.000 And then we'll also have a lot of other news.

01:03:47.000 Another great guest is joining us later.

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01:06:59.000 All right, our first guest today here as we start the second hour is Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Movement, the GNU Project, and the Free Software Foundation.

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01:07:17.000 Stallman is a political activist who recently caused a stir at the United Nations World Summit on the Information Society, at which he was a featured speaker, but openly protesting their use of RFID technology by wrapping his identity badge in tinfoil.

01:07:34.000 Aluminum foil.

01:07:36.000 Yes, aluminum foil.

01:07:38.000 But Mr. Stallman, I would also add, of course, that they're going to the The very invasive technologies of face scanning and the rest of it, where it doesn't even matter if we carry the chip, and it doesn't even matter if we don't want to be part of it.

01:07:51.000 They're going to force us.

01:07:51.000 But I find it interesting that they want us to submit to the chip in our ID card, the chip in our visa.

01:07:57.000 They want us to put our thumb down at the grocery store biometrically.

01:08:01.000 Why do you think that is?

01:08:02.000 Well, obviously, I can speculate.

01:08:05.000 They just want to know what everybody's doing all of the time.

01:08:08.000 I don't generally buy things with credit cards because I don't want any database to know what I bought.

01:08:14.000 I pay cash.

01:08:17.000 Well, I want to talk about why you do that first and a little bit about yourself.

01:08:19.000 We were talking earlier.

01:08:20.000 It sounded great.

01:08:21.000 Can you back off your phone?

01:08:23.000 Back off?

01:08:24.000 You mean move my mouth a bit further from the microphone?

01:08:26.000 Yes, sir.

01:08:27.000 Is this good?

01:08:28.000 Yeah, that's perfect.

01:08:28.000 Just try to keep it there.

01:08:29.000 I'm sorry.

01:08:30.000 It was just overdriving.

01:08:32.000 Richard, tell us a little bit about yourself.

01:08:35.000 Let's say for laymen out there, people just tuning in, like, why does Alex have this guy on the air?

01:08:41.000 Basically, what are your main focuses?

01:08:43.000 Well, I started the free software movement.

01:08:45.000 Now, free software doesn't mean gratis software.

01:08:48.000 It's not a matter of price.

01:08:50.000 Think of free speech, not free beer, is what I've been saying for 20 years.

01:08:54.000 Free software means you're free to share it.

01:08:57.000 Nobody's gonna call you a pirate because you shared with your neighbor.

01:09:01.000 And not just for you to copy it and share it, but also for you to study what it does and change it, so you can make it do what you want.

01:09:10.000 With ordinary proprietary software, The developer is completely in control.

01:09:15.000 The developer makes it do what he wants, and you can just take it or leave it.

01:09:20.000 Of course, a lot of people will say, I can't afford to leave it, I have to use it.

01:09:24.000 So effectively, they control what your computer does.

01:09:27.000 Now let me boil this down for people and see if you say this is accurate, Richard Stallman.

01:09:33.000 Here's an example.

01:09:34.000 Let's say Sequoia voting machines are Diebold voting machines.

01:09:38.000 They say it's proprietary.

01:09:39.000 Even the city or county using it, or the state, can't look into what's inside.

01:09:44.000 The city doesn't listen.

01:09:45.000 They break into it.

01:09:47.000 It's got a wireless modem.

01:09:49.000 And someone at one of the companies, who's a felon, And this is not just hypothetical.

01:09:54.000 He is accessing it, manipulating it, live time during the election, but then say, Diebold, real world, with the felon running their software in California, says, we'll sue you if you do that again.

01:10:08.000 That's our software.

01:10:08.000 You can't even look at what it's doing.

01:10:10.000 It's like Microsoft.

01:10:11.000 That's an example.

01:10:12.000 That's an example of proprietary software.

01:10:15.000 Now, I don't have proprietary software installed in my computer, because any proprietary software Is denying your freedom.

01:10:24.000 So I started this movement 22 years ago, where we develop our own software, and we do everything with our own free software, and that means we don't use proprietary software anymore.

01:10:36.000 Now I know you're not Red Hat, Linux, or any of that, but that's a good point for people who know a little about computers to understand what you're saying, but you say that's different from what you do.

01:10:46.000 Well, actually, let me explain.

01:10:48.000 I launched the development of a free operating system called GNU, and through a confusion that happened about 12 or 13 years ago, most of the people who use it think it's Linux.

01:11:01.000 Actually, Linux is one of the important pieces of the system, which was developed in 1991 and it was made free software in 1992.

01:11:10.000 So these people really are using Linux, but Linux isn't what they think it is.

01:11:16.000 They're using the GNU operating system.

01:11:17.000 So it's like, you're Lee Farrickson, who discovered America, and you called it Big Greenland, but then 500 years later, Columbus came along and he called it America.

01:11:28.000 Well, I don't think Columbus called it America, but in any case... I'm being sarcastic here.

01:11:32.000 It's a little bit like that.

01:11:35.000 Anyway, though, the developer of Linux really contributed an important piece But it's just one piece.

01:11:42.000 So if you call it GNU and Linux, you'll give us an equal mention, and I think that's fair.

01:11:47.000 Why is it... I mean, why 20 years ago, or... I mean, why 20 years ago did you see this threat?

01:11:53.000 Did you get involved?

01:11:54.000 Well, because I had an unusual experience.

01:11:58.000 In the 1970s, I was part of a community of programmers who shared our... We shared our work all the time.

01:12:06.000 That was our way of life.

01:12:08.000 And...

01:12:09.000 I loved being part of that community.

01:12:11.000 I saw that that was a good way to treat each other.

01:12:13.000 And then the community was wiped out by commercial pressure.

01:12:18.000 And what I saw in front of me was proprietary software.

01:12:22.000 Things like Windows and Mac OS and all the other proprietary software you've surely heard of.

01:12:29.000 And that was the same as what happened to everybody else who was thinking of using computers at the time.

01:12:35.000 But because I had seen an alternative I was morally outraged by what I saw.

01:12:41.000 You and a lot of other pioneering experts that I've read have said that clearly this has held back computing and software many years.

01:12:51.000 How many years would you say?

01:12:53.000 I don't know, because you see, I don't actually even care whether it held back technical progress, because I know that it takes away the user's freedom.

01:13:02.000 And I'm more concerned about freedom than technical progress.

01:13:05.000 I would trade some technical progress for some freedom any day.

01:13:11.000 So you found out about this 20 years ago and then you launched... GNU is a larger system and Linux is just a part of that.

01:13:21.000 Can you explain to us what your root software was?

01:13:27.000 GNU stands for GNU is not UNIX.

01:13:31.000 Which is a humorous way of saying it's similar to Unix.

01:13:34.000 It works the same way Unix does, but we wrote every piece of it afresh, because Unix is proprietary software and we couldn't use that.

01:13:43.000 So, a Unix-like operating system is a collection of hundreds of different pieces, some big, some small, and they all have to work together.

01:13:52.000 So we were just making piece after piece after piece, and in some cases we found a piece that someone else had made, And then, when there was one important gap left, then Linus Torvalds developed Linux, and that filled the last gap.

01:14:09.000 So he essentially put the last stone in place to make the whole building.

01:14:15.000 I understand.

01:14:16.000 I want to get into some of the topics that you think are most important and talk about your point of getting into the United Nations by blocking their RFID tracker checks.

01:14:25.000 I should explain, when I went through the security to get in, I unwrapped the badge because they of course were going to look at it.

01:14:34.000 I wasn't refusing to show them my badge.

01:14:39.000 They also scanned it against a machine when I went in through the gate.

01:14:43.000 But while I was walking around inside of the event, they didn't say they were checking anything, so why should it not be?

01:14:52.000 Why should it be having an RFID that was scannable?

01:14:55.000 So then I covered it back up.

01:14:57.000 So you're making the point that it could potentially be tracking people inside of there, but let's go to another real-world example of this and tell me if I'm right, sir, and again we're honored to have you.

01:15:06.000 Take Bill Gates in the 70s.

01:15:08.000 He goes, makes a deal with IBM, and then basically for the next 20 years had an almost total monopoly on the operating system that was used, built all these back doors into it for the NSA and Big Brother, and it's a sick joke.

01:15:24.000 It makes me very, very angry.

01:15:25.000 Plus, it now has proliferated the viruses and the hacking and all these problems because we've got 80% of the market, and that's with an erosion of the monopoly going.

01:15:35.000 Give us your take on that.

01:15:36.000 I mean, how Gates did this and your whole view on it?

01:15:39.000 This is a secondary consequence of the fact that it was proprietary software.

01:15:44.000 and that gives the developer power over the users.

01:15:48.000 You see, with free software, since everyone is free to copy it, redistribute it, that includes selling copies, and free to study what it does and change it, none of these things are possible.

01:15:58.000 There's never a monopoly with free software, because even if it's... even if, suppose, everybody likes one program, and everybody uses more or less the same program, Everybody's free to adapt it and distribute their own versions of it, so you get free competition anyway.

01:16:17.000 Whereas, when you're using proprietary software, even if there's a choice of different products, you might think a choice of products means it's not a monopoly, but that's a mistake.

01:16:29.000 Because in fact, the support for any of those programs is always a monopoly.

01:16:34.000 So the base licensing is the same foundation?

01:16:37.000 Exactly.

01:16:38.000 The crucial point is not whether there's an apparent monopoly, it's whether the program respects your freedom or tramples it.

01:16:47.000 Proprietary software tramples your freedom, and the solution that I came up with 22 years ago was Let's build an alternative, and then we won't use the proprietary software.

01:16:58.000 Well, I mean, that was a visionary thing you did, and you really are credited as being one of the first people to really push that and to have stuck with it.

01:17:05.000 And I only commend you.

01:17:06.000 Are they starting to panic and get angry?

01:17:08.000 It seems they are, that there are so many alternatives now burgeoning.

01:17:13.000 Gandhi said, I think, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

01:17:20.000 And we're at the fight you stage.

01:17:23.000 Companies like Microsoft are actively trying to find us all around the world with the help of their government in Washington.

01:17:31.000 But Microsoft tries to to utilize, should I say, every institution that has social influence to turn it into an agent of promoting Microsoft software.

01:17:45.000 They try to use governments, they try to use schools, they try to use the NGOs that say their goal is to Promote digital literacy, they say to those NGOs.

01:17:56.000 Teach people to use Windows.

01:17:58.000 They've got lots of little phony grassroots fronts. 0.71

01:18:02.000 Oh yes, they do.

01:18:03.000 And phony think tanks, too.

01:18:05.000 Or think tanks for hire that they just hire.

01:18:09.000 To produce reports that say what Microsoft wants them to say.

01:18:13.000 They're literally social mercenaries.

01:18:16.000 It's a rent-a-mob.

01:18:18.000 They will buy the support of any kind of institution that they think can help them direct society into a path of permanent dependence, which is almost like an addiction.

01:18:18.000 Exactly.

01:18:32.000 Well, this is amazing, sir.

01:18:33.000 This is right up my alley here.

01:18:35.000 This is what I've organically seen, and we're on the same page.

01:18:39.000 Please stay with us.

01:18:39.000 We've got a quick break, sir.

01:18:40.000 We're going to come back.

01:18:41.000 I want to give out websites, information, how people can support what you're doing.

01:18:46.000 We're talking to Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Movement.

01:18:49.000 We'll be right back.

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01:23:18.000 T-bone steak at the grocery store.

01:23:20.000 Do you even think about where it came from?

01:23:22.000 I mean, I know you know it came from a cow, but do you even consciously think of that?

01:23:25.000 You think about where electricity and those light bulbs over your head came from.

01:23:29.000 Do you think about what's behind this?

01:23:32.000 Why suddenly, five years ago, did all our police start wearing black Nazi uniforms?

01:23:38.000 Admittedly, for intimidation.

01:23:39.000 Did you find out about the federal grant?

01:23:41.000 You know, I see basically what Richard Stallman's doing as really trying to get more freedom to the people and looking at the architecture, the foundations behind everything our civilization is now being based on.

01:23:54.000 Nobody asked you.

01:23:56.000 In fact, the internal polls and focus groups show you hate RFID.

01:24:00.000 Almost 80% of you.

01:24:02.000 You hate face scanning.

01:24:04.000 You hate biometrics.

01:24:05.000 It doesn't make you more secure.

01:24:06.000 Their own documents show that.

01:24:08.000 Why do they want it? 0.81

01:24:09.000 Because it literally, in cyberspace, will make the real world part of cyberspace, and will attach every item in your home, everything you buy, to an RFID chip for total matrix-like control.

01:24:21.000 I don't know if Richard Stallman agrees with that, but I think that that's what we see being constructed, and he is attacking their very architecture.

01:24:30.000 Richard, would you like to comment on those statements?

01:24:33.000 I agree that that's the danger.

01:24:34.000 I don't know how far or how fast Things will move in that direction, but it's a scary direction to go in, even if we don't get all the way there.

01:24:45.000 And I'm trying to fight against it in every way that I see.

01:24:48.000 You know, I still have an office at MIT.

01:24:52.000 I quit my job at MIT to start the GNU Project 22 years ago, but they let me have an office for old time's sake.

01:24:59.000 And a year and a half ago, the lab Moved into a building where the doors are opened by an RFID in MIT ID cards.

01:25:08.000 Every MIT ID card has an RFID.

01:25:12.000 And they actually keep track of who opens the doors.

01:25:15.000 So when I found this out, I said, I'm not going to carry one of those IDs.

01:25:19.000 In fact, I don't even have one.

01:25:21.000 I refuse to get one.

01:25:22.000 They expire every year anyway.

01:25:24.000 It's so fast, it's hardly worth the trouble.

01:25:27.000 So someone developed a machine I can use When I push a button, it transmits as if it were the RFID, and it transmits the number of somebody else.

01:25:40.000 So, the result is that A, it doesn't transmit at all except when I push the button, and B, when it does, they can't identify it as me.

01:25:50.000 So that's what I use.

01:25:52.000 And this just shows... What?

01:25:54.000 This just shows what a fraud these systems are.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, well it's not really very secure at all.

01:26:01.000 Now that, of course, is something they might be able to fix.

01:26:05.000 It just takes some attention and thought.

01:26:07.000 Back to the UN thing here for just a moment.

01:26:09.000 I was reading out of Information Week that they actually picked up on the fact that you weren't letting your RFID chip be read, and that that alerted them to actually come over to you.

01:26:21.000 Well, I don't know about that.

01:26:23.000 What I do know is that as I was getting ready to speak at the event, which was why I'd been invited to this summit, Some police came over and asked to speak with me, if I would please move aside, and I said loudly, whatever you want to say to me, you can say right here.

01:26:43.000 This is from the podium?

01:26:46.000 Yes.

01:26:48.000 And at the end of the event, well then they sort of backed off, but at the end of the event, they actually wouldn't let me out of the room for a while.

01:26:56.000 So, unless I took the aluminum foil off my badge, so I said, loudly, they're not allowing me to leave the room.

01:27:03.000 I'm a prisoner in this room.

01:27:05.000 But clearly, sir, 2 plus 2 equals 4.

01:27:10.000 Unless you told a bunch of people, did they know that you had covered the badge with aluminum?

01:27:16.000 Well, they could easily see it, right?

01:27:17.000 That's the whole point.

01:27:19.000 It's a visible protest.

01:27:21.000 I have brought a box of aluminum foil And I was handing out strips of aluminum foil to anybody who wanted to join.

01:27:27.000 But it shows that clearly they wanted to drag you around with it.

01:27:31.000 Well, they said that they had a rule that the badges must be visible.

01:27:36.000 And I said, if you wanted me to show the badge, you should not have put an RFID in it.

01:27:43.000 Anyway, I just loved every minute of this because I figured The bigger this got, the more good it could do.

01:27:49.000 So I was actually elated through all of this.

01:27:52.000 Well, I'll tell you what, sir, we've got a break.

01:27:53.000 We've got a long segment coming up, plenty of time to talk.

01:27:56.000 I'd like you to get into why the establishment is getting angry.

01:27:59.000 I mean, I love that quote of Gandhi.

01:28:01.000 I use it every week.

01:28:03.000 It was great to hear you say it, that first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.

01:28:10.000 And that's totally true.

01:28:11.000 And now they really are attacking us.

01:28:13.000 They really are panicking.

01:28:14.000 They're openly saying they're losing control.

01:28:17.000 Not just in public statements, but in strategy documents.

01:28:20.000 And I want to talk about that.

01:28:21.000 And I want to also talk about some of the websites in your organization and how people can rebel against this by some of your suggestions and ideas you've got.

01:28:32.000 So again, we're honored to have you.

01:28:34.000 We'll come back with Richard Stallman, who is the founder of the Free Software Movement.

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01:31:51.000 Well, I've gone back down.

01:32:05.000 We're talking about the architecture of our lives.

01:32:08.000 You ever seen the movie, The Truman Show?

01:32:09.000 Where his whole life, from being a baby, he is living in a TV show.

01:32:16.000 His wife isn't his wife, his parents aren't his parents.

01:32:19.000 It's a false reality.

01:32:21.000 Well, literally, it's like we've been on the plantation grounds our whole life and we never question what's around us.

01:32:28.000 The language is being changed.

01:32:30.000 It's not getting better, folks.

01:32:32.000 It's getting worse.

01:32:34.000 And the globalists in their own white paper say their final plan is to dumb you down, is to totally control you, and to basically entertain you to death.

01:32:43.000 It's more of the Brave New World than the 1984-style tyranny.

01:32:48.000 Pleasure you to death, basically, which in many cases is worse than even knowing you're a slave in the 1984-type universe.

01:32:56.000 I would call an amalgamation of the two.

01:32:59.000 Richard Stallman, what are some websites or key places we can visit?

01:33:02.000 I mean, up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, we've got links over to some of the sites, but where should our listeners visit?

01:33:09.000 Well, to learn about free software and the GNU system, look at www.gnu.org.

01:33:16.000 That's spelled G-N-U. 1.00

01:33:19.000 There's also the website of the Free Software Foundation, which is fsf.org.

01:33:26.000 And then I have a personal website where I do other things, you know, put up several political notes every day and also post things like my song parodies and some political cartoons which I write and then find other people to draw for me.

01:33:46.000 Oh really?

01:33:47.000 Those are funny?

01:33:47.000 Can I play one or two on the show?

01:33:50.000 Sure, although they're text, not recordings.

01:33:53.000 I'm singing them for you.

01:33:55.000 Maybe you could sing?

01:33:57.000 Take a look at them first and then you'll decide if you really want it.

01:34:00.000 You can have me do it.

01:34:02.000 I've got a sneaking suspicion we agree on more than we disagree.

01:34:05.000 Sir, let's get back to what we talked about 15 minutes ago.

01:34:08.000 I said, is the establishment getting angry?

01:34:10.000 The noises I'm saying, the things I'm saying, tells me that they really are starting to figure out, and they're arrogant, so I think they're figuring it out late, that they really are losing their control rather quickly, and they're now moving with a lot of different things, internet taxation, regulation, all this, to try to shut that down.

01:34:29.000 Give us your educated comment on that.

01:34:31.000 Well, I'm not completely sure which is the issue.

01:34:35.000 If the issue is free software, then yes, Microsoft and often working together with Hollywood and their record companies are trying to prohibit a lot of kinds of free software.

01:34:48.000 A law is being considered in France now that would prohibit a somewhat vague range of free software.

01:34:56.000 If it doesn't have digital restrictions management in it, if it could be used for forbidden copying, Then it would be prohibited, and it's hard to tell just what range of free software might be prohibited by that law.

01:35:11.000 There have been similar proposals in the US, and of course there already is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is the law that prohibits distribution of free software to play a DVD.

01:35:23.000 There's free software to play a DVD.

01:35:25.000 But anyone openly distributing this in the U.S.

01:35:28.000 gets attacked.

01:35:29.000 Now let's explain that.

01:35:30.000 We're not saying somebody goes out and gets someone's already existing software to access the memory on a DVD.

01:35:38.000 We're talking about... No, that's what it is.

01:35:40.000 But I mean, what I'm saying is, sir, people have written software that will play a DVD and they're not even allowed to give it away?

01:35:47.000 Exactly.

01:35:48.000 Although I should point out, being free software, that's a matter of freedom, not price.

01:35:52.000 So, you can give away copies and you can sell copies.

01:35:55.000 Both are permitted with free software.

01:35:58.000 I know, but you're saying under this Millennium Digital Act that they're trying to restrict you even giving it away.

01:36:04.000 Exactly.

01:36:05.000 This program called DECSS, which was developed by a few clever hackers in Europe, is forbidden in the U.S.

01:36:15.000 and in some countries in Europe as well.

01:36:17.000 And the U.S.

01:36:18.000 government is actively trying to impose these laws on other countries.

01:36:22.000 So that's like saying you can't even open your own car company and make your own car.

01:36:26.000 Exactly, or more like you can't even repair your own car.

01:36:31.000 A proprietary program is like a car whose hood is locked and you don't have the key.

01:36:38.000 And it's designed with planned obsolescence to fall apart.

01:36:42.000 Often, yes.

01:36:43.000 By the way, a lot of people don't even know that.

01:36:45.000 It's admitted, a lot of software has engineered bugs that pop up on an average of every two years to make you buy the next software, even if you don't need it.

01:36:54.000 It wouldn't surprise me.

01:36:56.000 I haven't heard of that one, but there are many malicious features in non-free software.

01:37:01.000 Because you see, once the developer has power over you, once you can't look at the software and study what's in it and fix it if it's broken, That puts the developer in a position where it's easy to abuse you in other ways.

01:37:15.000 It's a temptation that's always there.

01:37:18.000 So, of course, some of them give into it.

01:37:20.000 Well, I go back to the voting.

01:37:21.000 Oh, you can't look under the hood to see if we're ripping you off in this election.

01:37:27.000 And that's in control of our entire republic.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, but actually, I have to point out, if the voting machine is running free software, that's not enough to make the election fair.

01:37:40.000 Suppose it's running free software.

01:37:41.000 That means you and the city officials and everyone can study that source code and you can verify that it's an honest program.

01:37:50.000 But how do you know that somebody didn't put in a modified version the night before the election?

01:37:56.000 Oh yeah, no, you have to monitor it live time as well.

01:37:58.000 Well, what I'd say is two things.

01:38:00.000 Either a voter verified paper ballot or Use hardware that has no computers in it and can't be programmed at all.

01:38:09.000 That's what they do in India. 0.99

01:38:11.000 They have voting machines.

01:38:12.000 They're electrical.

01:38:14.000 They're not computerized.

01:38:16.000 They can't be programmed.

01:38:19.000 They have fixed functions.

01:38:21.000 They do certain things.

01:38:22.000 Nobody can play with that.

01:38:25.000 So these are the only two safe possibilities that I've seen to use electronics in a voting machine.

01:38:33.000 Well, I know I've read this.

01:38:34.000 Either free ballots, or so simple that nobody can program it, nobody can change it at all.

01:38:40.000 Well, I know there's despots all over the world who are busy buying the new special electronic voting machines.

01:38:44.000 They just love them.

01:38:45.000 It's funny.

01:38:46.000 But countries that are somewhat free won't get near them with a ten-foot pole, but America is the pioneer of it.

01:38:51.000 Folks, this shows how far down the rat hole we've gotten.

01:38:54.000 Go to Infowars.com.

01:38:56.000 We're going to link through over to Richard Stallman's website, some of his different websites and organizations that he's founded.

01:39:04.000 Richard, where do you see things going in the future and what do you think the most important issues are or substrata of those issues right now?

01:39:13.000 Well, I can't see the future.

01:39:15.000 My crystal ball is cloudy today and every day.

01:39:18.000 All I can try to see are tendencies that I'm aware of in the present and I'm sure you're aware of most of the same ones.

01:39:29.000 We have A sort of, you might say, media government complex, where the right wing can do all sorts of horrible things and they don't get much of a scandal about it, whereas Clinton has sex, depending on your definition of sex, and he gets impeached.

01:39:50.000 I mean, with a media system like that, it's hard to keep anybody honest, and that's how we get Bush's war on integrity.

01:40:00.000 I think that information is the key, informing people, taking away the control of the corporate world.

01:40:10.000 Over the information that enables us to tell when our politicians are doing something wrong.

01:40:16.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:40:17.000 What do you think of the Internet, too?

01:40:18.000 Because I've read where they announce the end of the Internet and they say they're not going to upgrade the hubs and the switching systems for the first Internet.

01:40:26.000 They're going to have this new Internet where they force you to be through a university or a subdomain.

01:40:30.000 They're going to have all these speech rules and all these software rules.

01:40:35.000 I don't know anything about that.

01:40:36.000 Oh yeah, well then... I haven't heard about that.

01:40:40.000 IPv6 which is a somewhat different protocol but I I heard about a project called Internet 2, but it seemed to be a rather small thing.

01:40:51.000 Well, it's got big backers.

01:40:53.000 Well, I mean, you're right, and that's the problem.

01:40:54.000 The world's so complex, none of us can know about everything.

01:40:57.000 So I was seeing what you thought about it.

01:40:58.000 There's a lot, of course, I have no idea about.

01:41:00.000 But no, Internet 2 is quite serious, because it's going to be kind of like a private-slash-governmental Internet, with all these new rules, and then they're going to just start basically not upgrading the government switching hubs and file sharing.

01:41:16.000 Well, I don't think that's too much.

01:41:18.000 I mean, the government doesn't run most of the internet now, and whether or not the government updates its internet facilities is sort of irrelevant to most of us.

01:41:30.000 Well, by that, and I've read all the technical data on it, but over time it gets a little bit foggy in my brain as well.

01:41:37.000 But basically, with ICANN and these other groups, the government, basically the U.S.

01:41:44.000 government, the NSA, who helped build it, I mean obviously you know that DARPA, is deciding what that architecture will be.

01:41:52.000 I don't know.

01:41:52.000 I mean, I don't know enough about this to talk about it.

01:41:54.000 So I think it's not useful for us to discuss this.

01:41:56.000 Unless maybe another time, if you sent me information, I could try to think about it.

01:42:02.000 going to start letting those corrode basically?

01:42:06.000 I don't know.

01:42:07.000 I mean, I don't know enough about this to talk about it, so I think it's not useful for us to discuss this unless maybe another time if you sent me information I could try to think about it.

01:42:18.000 Today it might be more useful to talk about something else.

01:42:20.000 Microsoft platform systems, what do they have, about 20% of the market right now?

01:42:25.000 I mean, 80%?

01:42:27.000 And then alternative systems are about 20?

01:42:29.000 I don't know.

01:42:30.000 You see, I don't actually think that alternative systems are a good thing, because I'm concerned with whether the system respects my freedom or not.

01:42:38.000 So consider MacOS.

01:42:40.000 It's not made by Microsoft, but most of it is not free software either.

01:42:45.000 So as far as I'm concerned, it's just as bad as Windows.

01:42:48.000 No, I understand, but shouldn't we always go after what the biggest monopoly is, though?

01:42:54.000 No.

01:42:56.000 The idea of the free software movement is, let's live in freedom.

01:42:59.000 Let's build a land in cyberspace where we can live in freedom.

01:43:04.000 And it really doesn't matter who's making the non-free software, because we don't want any of it, no matter who it comes from.

01:43:11.000 So we just turn our backs on them.

01:43:13.000 Okay, well here's a yardstick then.

01:43:17.000 Do you have any numbers on how many pieces of free software, even though they're trying to prohibit it, and that is something you build, folks, and they're saying you're not allowed to give it away.

01:43:25.000 I understand that.

01:43:26.000 How many pieces of free software, just a ballpark number, are being produced in a year now versus ten years ago?

01:43:34.000 I mean, from what I've seen, it's exponentially greater?

01:43:37.000 Of course, a free program is usually not produced during one year.

01:43:43.000 It keeps on improving over many years.

01:43:46.000 There are programs that I wrote in the 1980s that are still being improved by people and are used by millions now.

01:43:52.000 Sure, I mean by that I mean, okay then, how many people are using free software?

01:43:57.000 The estimates are tens of millions, perhaps a hundred million.

01:44:03.000 But nobody knows for sure because everybody's free and nobody has to report it.

01:44:09.000 You don't have to tell people.

01:44:11.000 You don't have to tell anybody.

01:44:12.000 Well, I would think even somebody whose main platform is non-free software is, at the very same time, while they're on the internet every day, using free software.

01:44:27.000 They could be.

01:44:28.000 For instance, even if you're running Windows, you might have installed Mozilla or Firefox as your web browser, and that's mostly free software.

01:44:38.000 The source is free software.

01:44:40.000 Their binaries include a bit of non-free software, which is a sad thing.

01:44:44.000 But basically, it's a lot of free software, and there are many people using that.

01:44:49.000 So, some free software is rather popular.

01:44:52.000 I think two-thirds of the web servers in the world are running some version of the Apache web server.

01:45:01.000 Now, the Apache web server itself is free software.

01:45:05.000 But about half of them, I think, are running a non-free, modified version of Apache.

01:45:12.000 So they're not all running a program that really respects their freedom.

01:45:16.000 But they've all got some code in there that was made as free software.

01:45:21.000 Well, Richard, going back to Big Brother, we know that Microsoft is in cahoots with the intelligence agencies.

01:45:28.000 We know that they're trying to use the government agreements to continue their monopoly of an oligopoly.

01:45:37.000 We know that there's incredible surveillance and RFID and biometric access going into the main systems.

01:45:45.000 We know this grid, this iron curtain, is dropping all around us.

01:45:50.000 I mean, obviously, you're out there protesting RFID, the face scanning.

01:45:54.000 All of this is going into place.

01:45:55.000 They openly say, with RFID in all products, they'll track it from the factory to the business, to your home, to the garbage.

01:46:01.000 I have no idea because I can't foretell the future.

01:46:03.000 you do, a whole history of everything you buy, sell, and do.

01:46:07.000 I mean, the cookies are already doing this.

01:46:09.000 I mean, just how bad do you think it will get before it gets better?

01:46:12.000 I have no idea, because I can't foretell the future.

01:46:16.000 Okay, how bad is it currently, then?

01:46:18.000 Well, some people are getting tortured, and some people are getting killed, and political activists get harassed intentionally, systematically.

01:46:29.000 And they're on the verge of banning any criticism of the government that's war-related.

01:46:33.000 Seven years in prison in Australia.

01:46:36.000 Yeah.

01:46:38.000 It's really scary.

01:46:39.000 I've just got an invitation to Australia and I said, uh, we're going to have to study this before I might get arrested for things I say if I go to Australia.

01:46:48.000 By the way, folks, we're not exaggerating about that.

01:46:50.000 I mean, this is not a joke.

01:46:51.000 Well, all over the place, the Neocon talk show hosts are calling every day for arresting anybody that criticizes the government.

01:46:57.000 They say that's patriotism when the Founding Fathers said the complete opposite.

01:47:02.000 Yeah, well, that's what scoundrels will do, you know. 0.99

01:47:06.000 They'll distort anything.

01:47:08.000 They have no respect for anything except the victory of their own side.

01:47:13.000 I saw a A column, a commentary in the New York Sun which said, uh, Bush and Blyer should have bombed the headquarters of Al Jazeera.

01:47:27.000 And so I thought, well, gee, would you like someone to bomb the headquarters of the New York Sun?

01:47:31.000 Well, that's the schizophrenia. 0.83

01:47:32.000 They'll say Saddam was evil, he allegedly tortured, and then, and he had rape rooms when, by the way, our people put him in power, but we don't talk about that.

01:47:40.000 We have amnesia, selective amnesia, there.

01:47:43.000 And then they go, but when we torture, it's good.

01:47:45.000 I mean... No, well, they say when Bush tortures, it isn't torture.

01:47:50.000 Oh, that's right, Alberto Gonzales.

01:47:52.000 No, no, you're right.

01:47:53.000 In fact, that's a very astute point.

01:47:55.000 He said that we're not going to call it torture, and if someone dies under pressure, it's not even torture.

01:48:05.000 So it's just insane, then.

01:48:08.000 It's what you get when people of the lie are in power. 0.99

01:48:12.000 Well, it's more, I mean, you know the establishment's just letting Bush play the fool for them. 0.93

01:48:16.000 This is happening because some big boys upstairs want this agenda through.

01:48:21.000 Yeah, you know, what makes me saddest is I think that there's a pretty good chance of getting the Bush forces removed from Iraq.

01:48:29.000 The resistance has fought pretty hard, and even rich people in the U.S.

01:48:36.000 don't like the way it's going.

01:48:38.000 So I think there's a fairly good chance that the Bush forces will be kicked out of Iraq.

01:48:43.000 But I don't see how we're going to win back civil liberties in the U.S.

01:48:48.000 Well, you're right.

01:48:49.000 That was the real target all along.

01:48:51.000 He told his biographer in 1999, he said, I'm going to be a war president because then my domestic policies can't be questioned.

01:48:56.000 So, people always think it's the oil or Iraq, and those are hors d'oeuvres, but the main meal, the main entree is America.

01:49:05.000 It could be so.

01:49:07.000 Well, you know, I've had congressmen on who are Republican lately, like Ron Paul, saying Bush may start martial law.

01:49:13.000 He may actually start arresting people.

01:49:15.000 He may actually grow a little black mustache under his nose.

01:49:19.000 He could.

01:49:20.000 You know, I wouldn't put it past him.

01:49:23.000 You know, I don't think he has much in the way of scruples.

01:49:26.000 There's probably not much he would refuse to do because he would think it's wrong.

01:49:33.000 What they're planning, I can't tell.

01:49:35.000 I don't know.

01:49:37.000 Well, if there's more terror, that'll sure be convenient for them.

01:49:40.000 I wonder who'll be behind that.

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01:53:53.000 Going back to our guest, Richard Stallman, who is the founder of the Free Software Movement.

01:53:58.000 I mean, he's the guy when you see Linux and you hear about all these other systems out there that basically the establisher doesn't like.

01:54:06.000 This guy is one of the granddaddies of all of this.

01:54:07.000 I'm very honored to have him.

01:54:10.000 Richard, are you game to take a call or two here real fast?

01:54:13.000 Sure, but I should point out the system's real name is GNU.

01:54:16.000 Exactly.

01:54:17.000 Linux is a misnomer.

01:54:18.000 But I've got to use a term for them to connect to.

01:54:22.000 Or I'd be speaking GNU to him.

01:54:23.000 I'm not from the planet GNU.

01:54:26.000 Lame attempt at humor, sir.

01:54:28.000 Let's talk to Barbara in Texas, then we'll go to Mike in LA or Louisiana.

01:54:33.000 Barbara, you're on the air.

01:54:34.000 Go ahead.

01:54:35.000 Hi, Dr. Stallman and Alex.

01:54:38.000 Hi.

01:54:38.000 I wish I had all day to talk to you, Dr. Stallman.

01:54:40.000 It was just fascinating.

01:54:44.000 Open source versus proprietary software.

01:54:47.000 My husband's also a software architect.

01:54:50.000 He's been trying to get businesses to use open source forever because it's cost effective, it's maintainable, it has better integrity because it's constant updates from engineers all over the world.

01:55:02.000 My questions are, Tony, have you heard about the, of course you've probably heard about the new software.

01:55:09.000 Yes, I should point out, open source is the way people talk about free software when they don't want to raise issues of ethics and freedom.

01:55:18.000 That's the way to talk about more or less the same software, but in a way that focuses solely on practical benefits.

01:55:26.000 So I never use that term.

01:55:27.000 I want to talk about ethics and freedom.

01:55:30.000 Even though it's the same software, it's important for people to understand that it's an ethical issue and a political issue.

01:55:38.000 If they use it because it's more powerful and reliable, which sometimes it is, Well, that's good, but they need to value the freedom.

01:55:46.000 Well, I notice that you're obsessed with semantics, and that's important because they're changing the words, they're manipulating the words as cultural symbols.

01:55:54.000 Yes, anyway, I do want to answer your question.

01:55:56.000 Sony implemented digital restrictions management on some of their fake CDs, and they did it in a way that did every other nasty thing that anyone could possibly imagine.

01:56:13.000 And because of that, they're getting a lot of flack.

01:56:16.000 So, for instance, it puts back doors into your computer, it spies on you, and not only that, they even copied some free software and didn't tell people, which was a violation of the license.

01:56:29.000 Well, it was John McCain who said they want to do a thing where it makes your computer blow up.

01:56:34.000 Well, that, I don't know how they could make a computer blow up, but they could certainly take it over if it... Well, that was the mindless turn... I mean, that was the term he used, obviously, fry.

01:56:44.000 Any case, so Sony is getting a lot of criticism, and it deserves criticism because it tried to implement digital restrictions management, DRM, stopping people from copying the music.

01:56:44.000 Yeah.

01:56:57.000 It's wrong to stop people from copying.

01:57:00.000 And the thing is, Sony did it In a way that also breaks the security of your machine.

01:57:06.000 I'll tell you what.

01:57:07.000 Sir, we have a 70 second break.

01:57:10.000 A little five minute segment.

01:57:11.000 Will you stay with us so Barbara can finish and so I can go to Mike?

01:57:16.000 Is that okay, Mr. Stallman?

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:05.000 All right, now into the third and final hour. now into the third and final hour.

01:58:24.000 And Another interesting guest joining us coming up in a few minutes.

01:58:27.000 I know we've had callers holding forever, but we've got our guest on with us.

01:58:31.000 Real fast, Barbara in Texas comments on what our guest Richard Stallman was saying there at the end of the hour about open source or slash free software.

01:58:41.000 Well, I agree with him.

01:58:41.000 Semantics are incredibly important, and it's also incredibly important to understand what you're vulnerable to when you are on the Internet.

01:58:51.000 I'm a film and software editor as well, and I never, ever allow my editing machine to touch the Internet.

01:59:01.000 In fact, the machine we have connected to the Internet we refer to as the virus pig.

01:59:07.000 But one more question for Dr. Salman is, before the web we used to use the internet with just numerical addresses and commands, kind of like similar to DOTS.

01:59:17.000 Can we still access that?

01:59:19.000 Well, I should point out that host names existed since the beginning of the internet.

01:59:24.000 The web is a particular protocol for how to pass data around on it, so those are two different issues.

01:59:30.000 But yes, all the other internet protocols that existed still exist.

01:59:34.000 That's BBS!

01:59:35.000 Is it any more or less secure?

01:59:39.000 I'm not an expert on security, and the thing is, what was or wasn't secure was a matter mainly of details, precisely what software are you using.

01:59:49.000 And so there's no general answer.

01:59:52.000 Well I know this, I've seen, well I mean I'll just throw this in.

01:59:55.000 Most of your identity fraud is big companies selling bulk packets of information to other companies who then sell it openly to fronts for criminals.

02:00:04.000 Then they claim the whole internet is a big problem when that's about twenty percent of the actual problem.

02:00:09.000 Well we use all of the Mozilla and PeerGuardian and all of that on the computer and it's extremely helpful.

02:00:18.000 I've got to jump to the next person.

02:00:18.000 I hear you.

02:00:19.000 I promise I'm going to go to Mike in Louisiana.

02:00:21.000 Last caller for our guest, Richard Stallman.

02:00:23.000 Go ahead, you're on the air, Mike.

02:00:25.000 Yes, I just wanted to point out that he said it was so easy for someone to pretty much write a little program that would allow him to bypass the RFID sensor.

02:00:34.000 I just look at this overlapping with this DNA evidence.

02:00:37.000 It's really who controls the database and how this is going to... You can fake DNA, you can fake fingerprints, you can also... Exactly.

02:00:45.000 Two witnesses aren't needed anymore, you know?

02:00:47.000 Yeah, we're told DNA is 100%.

02:00:49.000 Almost every major crime lab in the country has been caught framing people.

02:00:53.000 Sir, comments on that, Mr. Stallman?

02:00:55.000 I'm no expert on it.

02:00:57.000 I can only say that a lot of people who have been falsely convicted and even sentenced to death have been freed because DNA evidence showed they were innocent.

02:01:07.000 No, I agree.

02:01:08.000 That's an issue.

02:01:08.000 It occurs to me.

02:01:10.000 That we could use this as a scientific study to measure the accuracy of trials.

02:01:19.000 With appropriate, careful calculation, we could use those cases in which DNA evidence became available later, which is just a fraction.

02:01:32.000 ...properly extrapolating the results of those... So they've actually done those... ...to measure the correctness of the justice system in trials.

02:01:38.000 So they've done that study, but it's been in very small groups, so it can't be called completely scientific, but it's looking like around a third of the people on death row are innocent.

02:01:47.000 Wow.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, it's very bad, isn't it?

02:01:52.000 And of course, that's if you're lucky enough to get a trial at all.

02:01:56.000 Absolutely.

02:01:57.000 Well, I appreciate your call, Mike.

02:01:59.000 Great points.

02:02:00.000 And I tell you, Richard Stallman, I'm really impressed with your information.

02:02:04.000 I want to thank you for what you've done with Free Software, i.e.

02:02:08.000 Open Source, and I appreciate you joining us and spending so much of your time with us.

02:02:12.000 And the way you can promote awareness and freedom in the issue is by calling it Free Software.

02:02:17.000 Let the people who only care about how reliable and powerful it is, let them say openly.

02:02:22.000 Well, I agree.

02:02:23.000 I mean, we shouldn't call pirate radio pirate radio, but I have to say, I have to say micro broadcasting or community broadcasting known as pirate radio.

02:02:32.000 Absolutely.

02:02:32.000 All right.

02:02:33.000 Thank you so much and take care.

02:02:34.000 Thank you.

02:02:35.000 Godspeed.

02:02:35.000 All right.

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02:05:42.000 Big Brother. Mainstream media.

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02:06:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:06:07.000 Alright, eight minutes into the second hour, third hour, excuse me, second segment.

02:06:12.000 Websites are Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.tv.

02:06:17.000 Eddie in England, Jose in Puerto Rico, Nathan in Austin, Texas, Gary in Ohio.

02:06:23.000 Those are the four calls I'm going to take this hour because we've only got 51 and a half minutes.

02:06:28.000 We've got Michael Rivera on with us and he's just got a great political mind and so much amazing research.

02:06:34.000 He's the guy who really, on the internet, in its virgin days, when it was just becoming somewhat popular with a few million Americans, In the mid-90s, early 90s, he started exposing the Vince Foster murder, things of that nature, and his website has been amongst the biggest on the internet.

02:06:51.000 I mean, many years before Drudge was out puttering around, Michael Rivera was there doing it at WhatReallyHappened.com.

02:06:57.000 We're so honored that he would join us.

02:06:59.000 He's going to be joining us the first Tuesday of every month.

02:07:03.000 And so here he is on this December 6, 2005 edition.

02:07:07.000 month and so here he is on this December 6, 2005 edition.

02:07:11.000 But I will go to our callers here soon because I know you've been holding throughout the last hour when we had a guest on about open source, i.e. free software.

02:07:22.000 But going to Michael Rivero from whatreallyhappened.com.

02:07:27.000 Michael, during the break I said, what do you want to cover?

02:07:32.000 Because, you know, I don't really ask my guests beforehand.

02:07:35.000 I just want to have people on who I respect to get their views on things.

02:07:39.000 And you shed this congressman out in California with millions of dollars just admittedly through fake companies.

02:07:46.000 And now you've done research, which is always impeccable, that leads into Hordes and hotel rooms and basically total control that we already knew was there. 0.94

02:07:56.000 I mean, hell, Barney Frank can have underage male prostitutes up in his bungalow and what would be pedophilia anywhere else is no big deal.

02:08:03.000 I mean, this is our imperial Rome, but give us your analysis on what's happening with Duke Cunningham and the rest of these people. 0.96

02:08:10.000 The story basically started out as a straightforward kind of bribery situation where Duke Cunningham admitted taking

02:08:18.000 2.4 million dollars in bribes in various material objects plus a payout that was disguised as the purchase of one of his older homes and he has resigned from Congress and he's been convicted and he's looking at some serious jail time and in exchange for his bribes he steered a tremendous amount of defense contract spending to this series of companies which on examination most of them seem to be nothing more than false fronts.

02:08:45.000 Street address, post office box, and a very fancy website and not much else.

02:08:51.000 The companies were linked then to these PAC organizations which were funneling money back to various congressmen and it just seemed to be this money laundering and kickback scheme going on.

02:09:03.000 The story is continuing to break even today.

02:09:07.000 There are some reports that some of these false front companies are now linked to CIA operations.

02:09:12.000 That a lot of this money that was being siphoned off from the defense budget was being used for what are called off-the-book operations by the CIA, and it's beginning to shape up that this is a repeat of the Iran-Contra scandal, where the CIA was engaged in operations that the U.S.

02:09:30.000 Congress did not officially authorize, and resorted to some very questionable activities, including drug smuggling, to finance these projects because they were off the books.

02:09:42.000 And this is starting to look like a repeat of that same situation.

02:09:45.000 Now clearly I've seen the evidence of that, but why then burn Duke Cuttingham?

02:09:49.000 We know they've got the power to pull out the stops in most cases and stop a prosecution.

02:09:56.000 Or was it just so flagrant that the Duke has to fall?

02:10:00.000 I think that was really the case.

02:10:01.000 It was so flagrant and the CIA already has a lot of attention focused on it coming out of the Plains scandal and in point of fact, This might be an attempt by the Bush administration, the White House, to put the focus onto the CIA and off of themselves.

02:10:18.000 Because, as you know, the CIA and the White House have very much been in conflict.

02:10:24.000 Well, we know CIA agents are blowing the whistle on fake intelligence, on torture.

02:10:28.000 Exactly.

02:10:28.000 I mean, we've got real leaks that are going on that are not steam valve controlled disinfo ops, but that are real.

02:10:35.000 Absolutely, and this whole Duke Cunningham thing may in fact have been set up to embarrass the CIA in order to silence them.

02:10:43.000 So what we've got here is one faction of the government, or rather two factions of the government, exposing the crimes of each other.

02:10:49.000 And frankly, I think that's a very healthy thing, you know, if they both go down together in flames outing each other's criminal actions.

02:10:56.000 So a little tit-for-tat war going on.

02:11:00.000 Absolutely.

02:11:00.000 The very bad factionalization.

02:11:02.000 Both sides are clearly very afraid, although I think the White House is far more afraid, given the CIA's past track record.

02:11:09.000 History shows us that this is what finally does bring down corrupt regimes and empires, is that their own people start fighting with each other.

02:11:17.000 I mean, that's the separation of powers acting for us.

02:11:21.000 Well, there's that, and there's also the case of there is such an interlocked web of of corruption and it's almost like this structure is strung with piano wire and the first time something snaps the whole thing's going to unravel.

02:11:35.000 And it looks like this might be happening because everybody's dirty laundry is getting aired out.

02:11:40.000 What about scandal fatigue, though?

02:11:42.000 I mean, it's gotten so bad.

02:11:44.000 I mean, we thought nothing could be worse than Bill Clinton, and all of these scandals have warped Bill Clinton.

02:11:48.000 You were a pioneer exposing him, as I said earlier.

02:11:51.000 It just seems to get worse and worse, and then we just kind of, you know, it's like your dog does his business on the floor, and we've just given in to it and let the dog go, and now the floor is carpeted with the droppings.

02:12:01.000 Well, it's getting pretty bad out there, and I think part of it is that more people are paying attention, because as you were pointing out, back in the days of Vince Foster, there were only a few websites like mine.

02:12:11.000 I mean, we were out there before the word blog had even been invented, and we were finding what we could, but now there are far more of these blogs, and as a result, they are exposing more and more of this information.

02:12:25.000 And by the way, I'll tell you why the standard of the alternative media is much better than the mainstream media.

02:12:35.000 We actually police each other.

02:12:36.000 I'm not perfect.

02:12:37.000 There's millions of you that find mistakes in what I do.

02:12:40.000 You help us.

02:12:41.000 We correct it.

02:12:42.000 We want to correct stuff.

02:12:43.000 And so we just get better and better.

02:12:45.000 It's the same thing with you, Mike.

02:12:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:12:48.000 I keep telling my readers, don't trust anybody on the basis of personality.

02:12:51.000 Just look at the facts and what makes sense.

02:12:53.000 And I've made goofs, I make mistakes, I get teased a lot about my spelling is less than perfect all the time.

02:12:58.000 But it is.

02:12:59.000 It's a correcting mechanism that we have that you don't see in a lot of the corporate media.

02:13:04.000 And as a result, not only are we... We're kind of open source.

02:13:07.000 We're open source free media, and so we're getting faster and better, and larger, and they're getting more centralized, more control, trying to stop leaks.

02:13:17.000 They're full of CIA and NSA and Department of Education operatives.

02:13:22.000 So they're getting more dinosaur-like, whereas we're spreading.

02:13:27.000 We absolutely, and the mainstream media, they're losing audience, they're losing market share.

02:13:31.000 There was another report today the LA Times is having to let go of more people and yet radio shows and websites like yours and mine You know, we're exploding in our readership.

02:13:40.000 We've upgraded our server three times this year so far, and we still can't keep up with the bandwidth.

02:13:45.000 Yeah, I don't like the Tudor horn because it's frankly daunting, it's humbling, it freaks me out.

02:13:49.000 I mean, when say, InfoWars.com, which is one of four sites I have, when it's bigger than the Austin American Statesman, with all its classifieds, all its car ads, everybody checking moving listings, and then I've got other sites.

02:14:01.000 You combine my sites, the more traffic on the Dallas Morning News, your site's gigantic.

02:14:05.000 I mean, they've got to be hurting.

02:14:07.000 Yeah, absolutely they are and they definitely resent us, but at least they've given up trying to claim that we're all havens for child pornographers and satanists and all the rest of that.

02:14:16.000 So, I think they've finally come to realize that the phenomenon is here to stay, the internet is becoming the dominant news media within the U.S.

02:14:25.000 and it is a good thing because obviously You know, going back to 2003 and looking at all the lies that led us into the Iraq War, the corporate mainstream media was right there, hand-in-glove with the Bush administration, feeding these lies to the public.

02:14:40.000 No, they weren't fool, they were willing accomplices!

02:14:42.000 Absolutely, and they're doing it again!

02:14:44.000 Just yesterday we were seeing a story.

02:14:46.000 Iran is only months away from nuclear weapons.

02:14:49.000 That's almost word for word the claim they made about Iraq.

02:14:52.000 Well they had the same people straw who said 45 minutes we're going to get nuked by Saddam running around saying Iran's going to nuke us.

02:14:59.000 Exactly.

02:15:00.000 The same people, the same lies in the mainstream media is still there refusing to challenge, refusing to question.

02:15:07.000 And they have completely failed in their self-proclaimed role as watchdog on government abuse, and that's where the blogs and the internet sites have stepped in to fulfill that function within our society.

02:15:18.000 Where do you see this going with the Duke Cunningham thing?

02:15:21.000 I mean, he's not debating it, it's not up for discussion.

02:15:24.000 Millions and millions of dollars that he got personally for hundreds of millions of dollars of payoffs.

02:15:29.000 I mean, are we going to see the companies that he's connected to go down?

02:15:34.000 Earlier this year, Cynthia McKinney brought up the trillions missing from the Pentagon, and Rumsfeld didn't deny it.

02:15:40.000 He just said, we're not going to talk about it.

02:15:41.000 No, we're not going to let you see the books.

02:15:43.000 I mean, we're not talking about a few million with Cunningham.

02:15:46.000 We're talking about trillions, boys and girls.

02:15:49.000 Absolutely.

02:15:50.000 There's a saying that we have over at our website that the last official act of any government is to loot the nation.

02:15:55.000 And it does sometimes appear that we're seeing that right now, with the money just pouring out of the country.

02:16:00.000 And I think one of the things that is really going to anger a lot of people About Cunningham's escapade, which apparently was something like $700 million worth of defense contracts that went to companies that didn't actually provide anything.

02:16:13.000 Yeah, he's not even getting 1%.

02:16:14.000 He also didn't get a very good deal.

02:16:17.000 Yeah, he didn't get a very good deal for that.

02:16:18.000 And at the same time, you see our kids who are over there in Iraq who don't have adequate supplies, who don't have adequate protection, that they're being killed because they're wearing bulletproof vests that don't stop bullets.

02:16:29.000 And you realize what a tremendous racket this whole world is in.

02:16:33.000 And the guy that sold it to him has $10 million birthday parties for his daughter.

02:16:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:16:39.000 They're making vast amounts of money off of this.

02:16:42.000 And meanwhile, our kids are left there in Iraq in a war that never should have been started.

02:16:46.000 And they're there without adequate supplies and protection.

02:16:49.000 And they're just being killed.

02:16:51.000 And even the ones who don't get shot at, they come home with lungs full of depleted uranium.

02:16:56.000 And it's just terrible what that stuff is doing, not only to them, but to their children.

02:17:00.000 Well, that's another incredible thing.

02:17:02.000 The Army's own manuals say it's deadly.

02:17:04.000 Poison, radiation, particulate.

02:17:06.000 And then these neocons go on the radio and say, no, it's good for you.

02:17:09.000 It's all lies.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, it is.

02:17:11.000 And I think we're just at a point where the neocons are just going to say whatever is expedient at the moment.

02:17:18.000 And I think they're not hoping to be believed.

02:17:20.000 I think it's just they're hoping that nobody's going to get mad enough to stand up and poke them in the nose and say, stop doing that.

02:17:26.000 Yeah, now I agree, Michael.

02:17:28.000 It's reached bravado now.

02:17:31.000 It's just, Bush might start dancing around saying he's an Easter Bunny tomorrow.

02:17:35.000 I mean, and people go, well, you're not one.

02:17:37.000 And he goes, yes, look, I have a fluffy tail.

02:17:38.000 And you go, well, where is it?

02:17:39.000 Well, you see it right there.

02:17:41.000 We'll be right back with Michael Rivera.

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02:21:49.000 Folks, we're not churning our own horns when we state the fact that whatreallyhappened.com, prisonplanet.com, sites like that are as big as Rush Limbaugh's.

02:21:59.000 Amen.

02:22:01.000 That's the truth.

02:22:03.000 And what is the establishment going to do?

02:22:06.000 I mean, there are blogs and websites that have been out there a year, not six, seven, eight, nine, ten like ours, or longer.

02:22:13.000 Brand new sites that are getting millions and millions of visitors a month.

02:22:16.000 They're proliferating.

02:22:18.000 And Michael Rivero, I know I'm going back into this, but I still don't think... I mean, sure, there used to be the nightly TV reports about, go on the Internet, you'll be robbed, raped, and killed. 0.95

02:22:27.000 You know, the Internet is where Satan lives.

02:22:31.000 People aren't buying that now, but at the same time, how is the establishment, do you think, going to attack the Internet?

02:22:37.000 Well, a couple of different ways.

02:22:39.000 For one thing, a lot of the websites that are appearing now are in fact creations of public relations firms.

02:22:46.000 In fact, back when Michael Moore's movie, Fahrenheit 9-1-1, came out, There was a blog that came out and basically tried to orchestrate a campaign to terrorize theaters into not showing the movie, and it turned out that the entire blog was manufactured and created by a public relations firm that worked for the Republican Party.

02:23:07.000 So there's a new term of craft out on the Internet, and that is the flog.

02:23:11.000 Which is a phony blog, which means a blog that's set up that pretends to be being run by a few private citizens, but is in actuality connected with either a government agency or a public relations firm that is being paid money to put a blog out there that supports their client's agenda.

02:23:27.000 I mean, I've had stalkers that openly told me they were being paid, and that if I paid them more than they were being paid, which is us at all, pay in lead, that they'd leave me alone.

02:23:36.000 And I've been told by some websites out there, and I've tracked them back and found out that they are paid for by public relations firms.

02:23:43.000 It's a very common practice, and they're attempting to dilute the message, but it's really not working.

02:23:43.000 Absolutely.

02:23:49.000 People have gotten very discerning.

02:23:51.000 Yeah, and that's a really good thing, because the skeptical people are going to be afraid And people are learning not to trust the talking heads.

02:23:59.000 They're learning not to trust the really good-looking suit or the really cute-looking girl.

02:24:03.000 They're learning to look at the facts and rely on their own brains to figure out what's going on.

02:24:08.000 And people who are thinking for themselves cannot be misled.

02:24:11.000 They can be fooled back and forth in a couple of directions, but they can't be steered and misled.

02:24:16.000 Well, once you're skeptical and really researching, you just get smarter and smarter.

02:24:21.000 Absolutely.

02:24:21.000 You're always going to make mistakes, but you get better and better.

02:24:24.000 What are they going to do?

02:24:25.000 I mean, they've already lost their monopoly.

02:24:26.000 I'd say the alternative media has got about 30%.

02:24:29.000 Well, I think they're already starting to do that, and this is a really old trick that has been used before called poisoning the well.

02:24:35.000 Here's when we've got 75%, and that's what they're already trending right now.

02:24:39.000 I mean, if the alternative media takes over, which it's going to do, what are they going to do?

02:24:44.000 Well, I think they're already starting to do that, and this is a really old trick that has been used before called poisoning the well.

02:24:51.000 They're attempting to plant things on the blogs that are false so that they can later on point to them and embarrass them.

02:24:59.000 And, of course, a very good example that's happening right now is this claim about the Pentagon and the jet plane and what it was that actually hit the Pentagon because there have been a lot of these public relations-sponsored blogs that are attempting to push the idea that whatever hit the Pentagon, it wasn't the passenger jet.

02:25:16.000 And a lot of evidence has been cooked up that tries to suggest this.

02:25:20.000 But the bottom line is, if you really think about it, there's two things to keep in mind.

02:25:25.000 And the first is, If you have hijacked a plane to pretend to crash it into the Pentagon, and you have to get rid of that plane and the passengers anyway, why not go ahead and crash that jet into the Pentagon?

02:25:36.000 What's the motive for coming up with some other kind of a swindle to that?

02:25:40.000 Second of all, hundreds of witnesses saw that jet flying towards the Pentagon, and with 9-11 and the World Trade Center being hit, everybody was watching for passenger planes.

02:25:50.000 Hundreds of people saw that plane flying towards the Pentagon, not one person reported seeing it fly away, Where did it go?

02:25:58.000 These two questions basically establish what happened at the Pentagon, and the whole point of all of this other discussion is to try and make the whole questioning of the 9-11 story look like it's silly and kooky.

02:26:10.000 Well, Michael, let me just say this.

02:26:14.000 On average, about 15 people a week.

02:26:16.000 I've been day one, before 9-11, talking about 9-11, day one, exposing 9-11, the controlled demolitions.

02:26:22.000 And then I get criticized.

02:26:24.000 Three years ago, or two years ago, I had a guest on talking about the Pentagon, where we're just investigating all avenues.

02:26:30.000 But, I have also been criticized Well, we've got a break, we'll be right back, and after this break we'll come back and cover it more, but there's just so many facets to all of this.

02:26:43.000 Then I end up getting criticized because I won't say that I know what happened at the Pentagon, I won't basically accept all of the pods, and there was no plane, it's almost like Absolutely.

02:26:56.000 and the reason it's not in my films, not in my books, is because I said, look, I'm sticking with what I know I can prove.

02:27:04.000 I've got the owner of the World Trade Center saying they blew it up.

02:27:07.000 So why shouldn't I stick with Larry Silverstein saying they blew up Building 7?

02:27:13.000 Why shouldn't I stick with public officials being warned not to fly?

02:27:16.000 Do you agree with that?

02:27:17.000 Absolutely.

02:27:18.000 Those are the facts that we have in hand.

02:27:20.000 All right, but at the same time, I don't want to say that everybody who buys into the Pentagon thing is a government agent running around.

02:27:26.000 But that's the thing about government ops is that they're very good at getting other people to kind of sandbag and join it.

02:27:32.000 We'll be right back.

02:27:36.000 We're on the march.

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02:27:49.000 Wake up and smell the fascism.

02:27:50.000 Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.

02:27:54.000 What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?

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02:31:14.000 All in the truth is the hell.

02:31:17.000 I'll just say I remember when Bill Clinton was selling the missile secrets and supercomputer technology to China.

02:31:36.000 I got angry.

02:31:36.000 Some of it.

02:31:37.000 I took it serious.

02:31:38.000 I sent an SOS to the world.

02:31:40.000 And then when Bush took all the restrictions off, I went, wait a minute, that's bad.

02:31:43.000 And Neocon said, no, that's of the Lord.

02:31:46.000 I mean, literally. 1.00

02:31:46.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:31:49.000 It's just mindlessness. 1.00

02:31:50.000 You know, I'm the same as I was yesterday and tomorrow.

02:31:53.000 I love freedom.

02:31:54.000 America's being dismantled.

02:31:56.000 We're talking to Michael Rivera, who's really been fighting hard for this country and just has a great track record and is one of the good guys out there in this fight.

02:32:04.000 Michael Rivera, let's talk about 9-11 a little bit.

02:32:07.000 I mean, now it is becoming widely accepted by a majority of Americans that the government was involved, is covering up.

02:32:15.000 And we've seen the worm turn on this.

02:32:17.000 Globally, the numbers are even better on that.

02:32:19.000 Do you think that'll stop the Globalists from carrying out other big events? 0.99

02:32:23.000 And after you answer that question, tell us what you think the top two or three things are, the top two or three smoking guns, proving 9-11 was an inside job.

02:32:34.000 Well, unfortunately, in answer to your first question, we're already seeing the neocons and the war hawks Attempting to play the same game with Iran that they did with Iraq.

02:32:46.000 They're telling the same lies, they're using the same tactics, even in the face of increasing polls saying that they are not being believed.

02:32:54.000 And this basically says they're going to keep on doing the same games over and over again until somebody makes them stop.

02:33:01.000 And that means they're confident they're probably going to blow something up.

02:33:04.000 Yeah, and right now there was a memo circulating around Washington a couple of weeks ago Basically laying flat out in black and white that a new terrorist attack would be a really wonderful thing because it would put George Bush back up in the polls, it would show and give him a chance to prove that he's a leader in a time of crisis, that it would certainly help Republican fortunes going into the 2006 election.

02:33:26.000 He could land on an aircraft carrier again and be worshipped as our leader!

02:33:30.000 Yes, he could do that all over again, or at least that's what the memo was saying.

02:33:34.000 I rather doubt it myself.

02:33:36.000 I personally see that there's a tremendous disconnect happening within the White House between what they think America is thinking and what's really going on.

02:33:43.000 Part of it, of course, is an artifact of all the bias that's built into the polling situations right now, and we know from... But we know their think tanks are telling them they're losing because we get fragments of those.

02:33:54.000 Those get released.

02:33:56.000 Yeah, but Bush may not be getting those messages.

02:33:58.000 He's already said flat out that he doesn't want to be told the bad news.

02:34:01.000 He doesn't want to be...

02:34:03.000 I mean, Michael, you know there's an elite behind Bush, but I would agree with you that the intel we're getting is accurate.

02:34:08.000 He is even shutting off their orders now, so are they afraid to flush him, thinking he's too dangerous, or what's happening?

02:34:14.000 Well, basically what's going on is there are blockades to communication, and given the fact that they are playing the same games again in front of a very, very skeptical, questionable population, I think they're out of touch with what's really going on.

02:34:27.000 It's a very dangerous situation.

02:34:29.000 Because if they can convince themselves, if they're running the country on wishful thinking rather than reality, and they convince themselves that a new terror attack is going to help them, then yes, they are going to go ahead and try that again.

02:34:39.000 Well, look, I mean, I've interviewed Ron Paul for ten years, even before he was back in Congress, and he's never talked like he's talking.

02:34:47.000 He's saying world government, martial law, gun confiscation, foreign troops, concentration camps, because that's the evidence.

02:34:53.000 I mean, he's talking more radical than I am, and a lot of other prominent people.

02:34:57.000 Paul Craig Roberts is now going, okay, 9-11 inside job.

02:35:01.000 He wouldn't say that three months ago.

02:35:02.000 It seems like everybody really sees that we're on the razor's edge.

02:35:06.000 Yeah, they really do, but the point I'm making is I don't think the people calling the shots inside the Bush administration or his backers are that much in touch with what's going on.

02:35:16.000 I think they're getting reports that are filtered.

02:35:18.000 From their subordinates who are right now scared to tell them bad news.

02:35:22.000 Well, that's admitted.

02:35:24.000 Well, I'm sure you've read.

02:35:25.000 I mean, we knew this two years ago from WhatReallyHappened.com, but I mean, now it's even New York Daily News, which O'Reilly's calling evil propaganda when it's run by his boss, Murdoch, which is funny.

02:35:37.000 But even in there, Bush is flipping out, screaming at 17-year-old staffers, having frothing fits.

02:35:42.000 Yes, he's definitely...

02:35:45.000 He's ready for the 25th Amendment, to be very honest.

02:35:47.000 Unfortunately, that would just put Cheney in power, and I'm not sure that's an improvement.

02:35:51.000 But, yeah, I think that there's a very real possibility that they may try a new terror attack, probably somewhere along the West Coast.

02:36:01.000 The question is, will he be able to get the people that will go along with it this time?

02:36:06.000 Let me stop you, Mike, because I respect your opinion.

02:36:08.000 Why?

02:36:09.000 Because they already did OKC in the middle, they've done the New York event.

02:36:14.000 Is that why you say a West Coast?

02:36:16.000 That's part of it, to bring more of a sense of immediacy to the West Coast, where there's a lot of political opposition.

02:36:22.000 In fact, if you're going to push me for a prediction, I would almost say to look at the Golden Gate Bridge, because that is such an icon of America.

02:36:30.000 As much if not more so than the World Trade Towers.

02:36:33.000 Just because of the psychological value of it.

02:36:36.000 Exactly.

02:36:36.000 And it's getting to be a very old bridge and San Francisco is already in a bridge replacement mode with the Bay Bridge that are replacing that right now.

02:36:43.000 And they like to do things that are win-win.

02:36:44.000 They do tend to blow up things that have problems.

02:36:47.000 Absolutely.

02:36:47.000 Just like the World Trade Center was facing this huge, huge EPA mandated renovation that would have bankrupted Silverstein.

02:36:54.000 So, how lucky for him that the buildings got knocked down and he could go to the insurance company.

02:36:57.000 Well, you know, I tend to agree.

02:36:59.000 I've said Golden Gate or Chicago.

02:37:01.000 I've said Golden Gate, though, as soon as Silverstein bought the Sears Tower, it's over for that building, folks.

02:37:06.000 And of course, we suddenly heard it was under terror threat.

02:37:10.000 But going back to the Golden Gate, we're going to go to your calls in a minute, folks, I promise.

02:37:15.000 Well, I think a lot of it is trial balloons.

02:37:18.000 I think they put these warnings out in the newspapers about anthrax or terror or al-Qaeda, and they're trying to see what they can get traction with.

02:37:23.000 And right now, they're not getting any traction.

02:37:25.000 talking about what geniuses they were, why they were able to predict what was going to be hit.

02:37:29.000 Well, I think a lot of it is trial balloons.

02:37:31.000 I think they put these warnings out in the newspapers about anthrax or terror or al-Qaeda, and they're trying to see what they can get traction with.

02:37:38.000 And right now they're not getting any traction.

02:37:40.000 So all of these advance warnings are really test to say, oh, will the people get excited about this if it really happens?

02:37:47.000 Why do they always use Al Zakari?

02:37:49.000 Literally, he's been killed 10 times, captured 20.

02:37:52.000 His number 2 has been killed 25 times.

02:37:54.000 I mean, it's gotten... Why do they keep using the same one and never retracting the past story?

02:37:59.000 Well, they're basically trying to create a brand for the terrorist.

02:38:03.000 And they can't use Osama anymore because most people are now aware that he actually died back in December 2001.

02:38:09.000 So they tried to make Zakhawi the new super villain. 1.00

02:38:12.000 It's almost like a comic book.

02:38:14.000 They need a face to put on that super villain and Zakhawi was it. 1.00

02:38:18.000 I think he's getting burned out and I would expect they're going to try and create a new super monster that they can wave at us.

02:38:23.000 But again, as you were saying earlier about scandal fatigue, we're all getting terrorist fatigue.

02:38:28.000 We're tired of hearing about it.

02:38:29.000 We're tired of looking at the faces that get waved at us all the time.

02:38:33.000 And everybody is very, very much thinking that it's all a great big hoax and sham anyway.

02:38:38.000 And of course, this gets us back to 9-11 and the second part of your question about why there are reasons to think the government was complicit.

02:38:45.000 And I'm going to give you really just the one that does it for me, and this is the one that, if I'm in a debate with somebody and I ask this question, this is the one they can't answer.

02:38:54.000 And this is the one that makes everybody say, hmm, boy, you've got something there.

02:38:57.000 And it is this.

02:38:58.000 We've all seen in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-1-1, Where George Bush is sitting at Booker Elementary School and Andy Card comes in and whispers to him that the second tower has been hit by an airplane in New York.

02:39:10.000 And Bush just sits there and sits there and sits there and reads about goats waiting for his speech to happen.

02:39:16.000 Now Bush's supporters have tried to explain that very strange behavior away by saying, well, he didn't want to upset the kids and so forth and so on.

02:39:24.000 But the real issue is the United States Secret Service, which has one job and one job only, and that is to protect the President.

02:39:32.000 So here's the situation.

02:39:33.000 You have got George Bush's presence at that school in the media for three days ahead of time.

02:39:38.000 And they're set in a default mode.

02:39:40.000 There's a bank robbery down the road.

02:39:43.000 They're going to come bring him out of there.

02:39:44.000 But on that day, default mode just doesn't happen.

02:39:47.000 Then Bush gets caught lying about what he was told, what he said.

02:39:50.000 Exactly.

02:39:52.000 It was in the papers three days ahead of time he was going to be there.

02:39:55.000 You've got, supposedly, an unknown number of airplanes flying overhead, crashing into Target and you got an airport only four miles away.

02:40:02.000 So how does the Secret Service know that they don't need to grab him and put him in that armored limousine outside?

02:40:08.000 How do they know that they weren't making targets of all those students and teachers by keeping them in that room with him?

02:40:13.000 How did the Secret Service know Bush wasn't a target?

02:40:16.000 The only possible answer is they knew ahead of time what the targets were going to be.

02:40:19.000 And then he says, I saw the first plane hit and said, boy, that's a bad pilot.

02:40:25.000 Then he lied and said, no, I never said that.

02:40:27.000 Then the Times of London releases photos of him in the green room of the school.

02:40:32.000 You know, they have the TV up on the cart they push around.

02:40:35.000 Photos of him watching it.

02:40:37.000 Then he goes back and goes, oh, yeah, I did see it.

02:40:39.000 And it's just incredible.

02:40:42.000 It absolutely is, and he actually repeated that claim twice, that he saw the first impact happen on TV, which of course was impossible because the video of the first impact, which was caught by accident by some documentary filmmakers, the French, the Godet brothers, didn't even surface until like the next day.

02:41:00.000 So yeah, that was definitely something he couldn't have been saying.

02:41:03.000 But for me, the thing that makes it obvious Bush was part of this whole mess, of 9-11 was him just sitting there and the Secret Service letting him sit there.

02:41:12.000 Obviously from their actions, they knew that he was safe, that he was not in any danger from an airplane coming in.

02:41:18.000 Okay, let me just say this before we go to these calls, and we're going to them here in just a moment.

02:41:21.000 We're talking to Michael Rivero, the founder and the main contributor there, WhatReallyHappened.com.

02:41:27.000 Start your own today, folks.

02:41:28.000 I think everybody, I believe in the free press.

02:41:30.000 We all should own one.

02:41:34.000 I want to get back to 9-11 and orthodoxy. 0.99

02:41:38.000 I never tried to claim that I was the first person to talk about 9-11, even though I talked about it two months before, and then the day of the event, and got kicked off radio stations, and had people threatening me, and everything else.

02:41:48.000 You know, in the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

02:41:56.000 You were one of the very first to do that, you know, to go public, and I commend you, because I was watching what you did, Mike.

02:42:02.000 I've seen a lot of other people, though, who are Johnny-come-latelys who then try to set the parameters of the debate.

02:42:09.000 And any of those people that want to criticize you for exercising your opinion that the Pentagon wasn't by a plane, you know, they shouldn't get so upset then because they have their view that people like you are bad because you say that.

02:42:23.000 I leave it open.

02:42:24.000 I choose to basically, other than a few interviews, ignore the subject.

02:42:27.000 You brought it up.

02:42:28.000 Because I don't think you can prove it either or.

02:42:30.000 It's one of these black holes.

02:42:33.000 A lot of convincing evidence for it, a lot of convincing evidence against it.

02:42:36.000 It looks like something just made to be basically a big, you know, please don't throw me in the briar patch for the tar baby.

02:42:45.000 But then there's the clear disinfo stuff.

02:42:51.000 Barbara Olson's been found alive.

02:42:54.000 Everybody's going to be indicted.

02:42:57.000 I'm evil because I don't believe holograms really hit the towers.

02:43:00.000 I mean, then we get into the real la-la land, Mike.

02:43:03.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 Oh, they were even trying to drag up the Apollo moon landings.

02:43:08.000 It didn't really happen.

02:43:09.000 They tried to get that one onto the net a couple of months ago.

02:43:11.000 It's almost laughable.

02:43:12.000 It's like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything that they can use to basically delay the formation of a public consensus as to what really happened.

02:43:22.000 Pardon the shameless plug right there. 0.97

02:43:24.000 And again, these are tactics that intelligence agencies have been using since the height of the Cold War.

02:43:29.000 And I actually think that that has been their biggest mistake, because a lot of these agencies are trying to play the information game by the rules that worked back in the days of broadcast media and published newspapers.

02:43:43.000 They have not really adapted to the realities of the Internet and its interactivity and its distributed authorship.

02:43:50.000 And that's why I think they're not succeeding.

02:43:53.000 Well, I mean, if they had a hundred million disinfo people on the web, they could, but they can't counter hundreds of millions of people on the web.

02:44:00.000 No, they absolutely can't.

02:44:01.000 They don't have the resources.

02:44:04.000 Well, let's go ahead and take a call here.

02:44:06.000 I've got to move quickly here.

02:44:08.000 Eddie, and then Jose, and then Pat, and then Gary, and then Nathan.

02:44:14.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Eddie in England.

02:44:16.000 Eddie, go ahead.

02:44:17.000 Hello, Alex.

02:44:18.000 I'm sorry that...

02:44:20.000 What I have to say is not to do with... It's okay, go ahead sir.

02:44:25.000 It's to do with the parallels of what is happening here in Europe and what is happening there in the United States.

02:44:33.000 Well that's why you know it's the same social engineers above these puppets of Blair and Bush because it's even the same programs with the same names, the exact same operation.

02:44:42.000 Yes, exactly.

02:44:46.000 You really got to speak up or we're not going to be able to have you on.

02:44:49.000 Sorry?

02:44:50.000 You need to get right up on the phone or we can't have you on.

02:44:53.000 Oh, can you not hear me?

02:44:54.000 I can hear you now a little bit.

02:44:56.000 Oh, I do apologize.

02:44:58.000 The program preceding yours, Derry Brown, we had a guest that we're talking about people coming in from Mexico and they just found out that the states of the United States are now going to be turned into regions And that is what has happened already here in Britain.

02:45:24.000 And then they give the governmental power to the regional bureaucrat who isn't even elected.

02:45:28.000 Exactly so.

02:45:30.000 Exactly so.

02:45:31.000 That's globalism, globalization.

02:45:33.000 Michael Rivero, you want to comment on this?

02:45:36.000 Yeah, we have been seeing that for quite some time.

02:45:39.000 From the federal level, the country's actually broken up into just ten regions, which correspond to the first digit of the zip code.

02:45:46.000 And so this has actually been underway for quite some time.

02:45:49.000 When this country was started, the states were supposed to have all the power and the federal bureaucracy existed only to handle national defense and arbitrate disputes.

02:45:58.000 But clearly we have seen a trend where the power is centralized in Washington, D.C.

02:46:03.000 And the state governors and state legislatures are almost becoming vestigial and symbolic. 0.54

02:46:08.000 And they're fools because even of their power-mad nut cases, they should still not, with a one-time vote because a lobbyist gave them a donation, go pass a law in the legislature irreparably, irrevocably, giving over their authority to some unelected board. 0.66

02:46:25.000 Absolutely, but unfortunately Congress has been continually giving away their own power through the years. 0.99

02:46:30.000 Which has allowed the presidency to gain these almost, pardon the word, dictatorial powers.

02:46:35.000 But I agree with you that we've seen an acceleration of the looting.

02:46:38.000 And thank you for the call, Eddie.

02:46:39.000 Sorry, we've got to move on.

02:46:40.000 Thanks for holding.

02:46:41.000 We've seen an acceleration of the looting, showing that even they know the end is near of this current paradigm.

02:46:46.000 Jose in Puerto Rico.

02:46:48.000 Welcome, sir.

02:46:48.000 Thanks for holding.

02:46:50.000 Oh, hi, Alex.

02:46:50.000 How you doing?

02:46:51.000 Good, sir.

02:46:51.000 Thanks for holding.

02:46:52.000 It's been a long time since I've recorded a show.

02:46:54.000 You know, I just want to talk about the draft.

02:46:58.000 That's something Mr. Rivero is obsessed with.

02:47:04.000 Go ahead.

02:47:09.000 They're talking about the draft because the reason why the draft is basically being secretive because they're saying that it might be that Congress is going to basically protect the rich if the draft ever comes back because there's going to be plenty of scapegoats to protect the rich.

02:47:23.000 Well, it's not going to be 50-50 even.

02:47:25.000 Steve, on the draft, goes back.

02:47:26.000 They're basically targeting mostly minorities. 0.92

02:47:28.000 They're basically poor whites. 0.96

02:47:29.000 Yeah, it's always going to be so. 0.97

02:47:30.000 Latinos, you know what I'm saying?

02:47:31.000 Because basically, you know, I live in New York and I got a home in Puerto Rico, I'm saying.

02:47:35.000 And also, here in Puerto Rico, there's been instances where... I saw your video, Beyond Treason, and also, by the way, I saw the pictures of the video on your website.

02:47:43.000 And that's a wake-up call video we showed to a class, actually, here in Puerto Rico.

02:47:48.000 A lot of Puerto Rican brothers here in the island.

02:47:50.000 They've used a lot of that down there on that island.

02:47:52.000 And also, ever since the island of Yeager has been closed, there's been incidents of uranium where a lot of the women will be born with children. 0.52

02:48:00.000 to form here in the island.

02:48:01.000 There's been cases like that here.

02:48:03.000 Because the island, the Navy has stopped bombing taxes here on the island.

02:48:08.000 Yes, sir.

02:48:09.000 Do you have a question or anything for the guests?

02:48:10.000 Yeah, I just want to say, basically I just want to say, do you think basically this is going to be an outbreak?

02:48:16.000 Do you think this will be some sort of an outbreak in the country?

02:48:19.000 You know, if this can continue the way we are right now, by any chance?

02:48:22.000 I am hopeful that we're going to see the present situation resolve itself the way the old USSR did. 1.00

02:48:28.000 did, which is to simply collapse of its own corruption with very little violence.

02:48:34.000 That's what Ron Paul said.

02:48:35.000 He said that could really happen.

02:48:36.000 That's what a lot of our experts are saying.

02:48:39.000 Thank you for the call from Puerto Rico.

02:48:40.000 Call me back when I have more time.

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02:51:39.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

02:51:48.000 It's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.

02:51:52.000 Music by Ben Thede.

02:51:57.000 By the way, I should have been announcing this all day.

02:51:59.000 We're going back to 32.15.

02:52:01.000 It's not 32.10, it's 32.15 on WWCR for the second and third hour from 9 to midnight.

02:52:04.000 So 10 and 11 o'clock.

02:52:04.000 WCR for the second and third hour from 9 to midnight.

02:52:08.000 So 10 and 11 o'clock.

02:52:10.000 32.15 in the first hour on 5.765.

02:52:15.000 And the second and third hour will be simulcasting for the time being at 5.765.

02:52:21.000 So all three hours will be on 5.765.

02:52:24.000 And I want to thank all of our Aminathem affiliates from Austin, Texas to Chicago, Illinois from Kansas City, Missouri to San Diego, California to Pensacola, Florida.

02:52:35.000 Niagara Falls, New York.

02:52:37.000 There's so many of them.

02:52:38.000 I'm so thankful.

02:52:38.000 It's so amazing.

02:52:39.000 I want to jam two final calls in for Michael Rivero and I may have to have him on for an hour and a half once a month.

02:52:45.000 An hour is just not enough after ads and the rest of it.

02:52:49.000 Briefly, though, it is the holiday season and it is Christmas.

02:52:51.000 I hope you'll go to InfoWars.com and support us.

02:52:54.000 I hope you'll get the great videos and books and books on tape and t-shirts.

02:52:57.000 We've got t-shirts normally $20, $9.95.

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02:53:04.000 And these are only going to the first of the year.

02:53:07.000 We're talking, what, 30-40% off?

02:53:09.000 I forget.

02:53:10.000 It's a massive discount.

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02:53:19.000 So your one-stop shop for the holidays, be sure and check it out and expose these murdering terrorists.

02:53:24.000 Michael Rivero, are you game to take a couple final calls here?

02:53:27.000 Absolutely.

02:53:29.000 Let's do it.

02:53:29.000 Let's go ahead and talk to, I guess it's Gary in Ohio.

02:53:34.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

02:53:35.000 Hey Alex, how you doing?

02:53:36.000 Good.

02:53:37.000 Yeah, I talked to you before and you said we had to talk about, you know, for longer, maybe 10 minutes, but I know we won't get that chance today.

02:53:42.000 I do want to plug my website because I got a lot of your stuff on there.

02:53:46.000 Sure, go ahead and plug your site, sir.

02:53:47.000 Okay, it's takeoverworld.info.

02:53:50.000 Takeoverworld.info.

02:53:52.000 Interesting.

02:53:52.000 Yeah, and I'm not selling anything on there at all.

02:53:54.000 Sir, I don't care.

02:53:56.000 I mean, it's fine.

02:53:57.000 Go ahead.

02:53:57.000 Okay.

02:53:58.000 But I do have... I have your site on there.

02:54:01.000 I have Michael's.

02:54:02.000 I have some video and some audio.

02:54:04.000 I love your stuff beyond the left-right political divide.

02:54:07.000 If I would have known more about you guys, if I would have seen American Dictators, I'd have never campaigned for Kerry.

02:54:11.000 But I also have a lot of leftist stuff on there.

02:54:14.000 Like Michael Perenti and some things like that.

02:54:18.000 But near the top of the page I have, meet the founder of Al-Qaeda, the Big New Brzezinski. 0.54

02:54:24.000 Yes, he did found Al-Qaeda.

02:54:26.000 Yeah, and all the way through, every single president, all the way through Bush, from Carter through Bush.

02:54:32.000 So it really doesn't matter.

02:54:34.000 I mean, Democrats, Republicans, it really, really... Let me get a quick comment, though.

02:54:38.000 You do have to call earlier so maybe we can talk more.

02:54:40.000 I'm sorry to all the callers, but Michael Rivero, yeah, Brzezinski, even before the Soviets invaded, founded Al-Qaeda to get them to attack the Soviets to elicit their response.

02:54:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:54:50.000 That's a little part of the Afghanistan history that most people are not aware of, is the Soviet invasion was in response to U.S.

02:54:58.000 Agitation within Afghanistan and that's how that whole disaster sort of cranked up. 1.00

02:55:02.000 But your caller is absolutely correct.

02:55:04.000 This is not a problem that relates to any one particular party.

02:55:07.000 Both parties are equally corrupt and both parties are equally guilty in promoting these wars.

02:55:13.000 Look at Hillary running around shilling for the war. 1.00

02:55:15.000 That shows they're desperate.

02:55:17.000 Absolutely.

02:55:17.000 And she was in Israel a couple of weeks ago there.

02:55:21.000 You know, saluting them left and right.

02:55:23.000 So it basically shows where the political allegiances in this country are really focused right now.

02:55:28.000 I promise to get to this final caller.

02:55:30.000 Thank you for the call there.

02:55:32.000 Let's go now to the last caller that I can go to.

02:55:36.000 Nathan in Austin.

02:55:37.000 You've got 30 seconds.

02:55:38.000 Go ahead.

02:55:39.000 Hi Alex, I just wanted to make a request of you.

02:55:41.000 I needed to speak with you in person today.

02:55:43.000 It is absolutely urgent.

02:55:45.000 Well sir, you need to send me an email at tipsandinfowars.com.

02:55:49.000 You need to send me some information.

02:55:50.000 I can't just meet with everybody that wants to meet with me.

02:55:53.000 I'm sorry.

02:55:55.000 Sir, we'll put you on hold.

02:55:56.000 Nathan, you've been holding for hours, that's why I went to you.

02:55:58.000 I don't normally make people hold that long, and I'll go to you as soon as the show ends in a second.

02:56:03.000 Put Nathan on hold.

02:56:04.000 Michael Rivero, I want to thank you, sir, for spending an hour with us, and I appreciate everything you're doing.

02:56:10.000 My pleasure, and look forward to doing it again next month.

02:56:13.000 You bet.

02:56:13.000 Take care.

02:56:14.000 Alright, we're out of time, ladies and gentlemen, and we really appreciate all you tuning in.

02:56:20.000 God bless you all.

02:56:21.000 Get out there and take on the New World Order.

Alex Jones Show - December 06, 2005

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