Alex Jones Show - 20051207_Wed_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:09.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 December 7th, 1941.

00:00:38.000 A day that will live in infamy.

00:00:44.000 The Empire of Japan has suddenly, and in an unprovoked fashion, attacked the United States. 0.95

00:00:53.000 That's what Americans heard here in the United States.

00:00:57.000 The attack, I guess, was really on December 8th, but in our time zone, December 7th.

00:01:04.000 But it turns out the entire affair was staged!

00:01:08.000 In fact, Admiral Kimmel's grandson is out in Fredericksburg, Texas today, that's how accepted this fact has become, at the Admiral Nimitz Pacific Museum, the official George Herbert Walker Bush National Museum, THE Pacific War Museum, THE museum, and he's the big featured speaker about how it was all staged.

00:01:30.000 That's how accepted the facts and the reality has gotten.

00:01:36.000 And so because we won that fight exposing what really happened at Pearl Harbor, and won the fight exposing that Gulf of Tonkin was staged and exposed all those facts, I thought we would look at another angle of this, at torture, at abuse, at enslavement, at true evil.

00:01:52.000 And that is what the Japanese guards did to our American men and women.

00:02:00.000 And coming up in the third hour today, Freedom is Not Free, and this is the story of Terrence S. Kirk, now 90 years old, and he was captured at the U.S.

00:02:12.000 Embassy in China, when it was taken over, on December 7th, 1941.

00:02:18.000 60 plus years ago today, and just an incredible individual, And he made a handmade camera.

00:02:29.000 Yes, you can do such things, and he happened to already know how to do it.

00:02:32.000 So he built a handmade camera.

00:02:34.000 Yes, you heard me right.

00:02:36.000 A handmade camera.

00:02:38.000 And took some amazing secret photos with his pinhole camera while he was in there for almost five years.

00:02:48.000 A lot of his buddies died, so that's coming up in the third hour.

00:02:52.000 For those of you that love torture, we'll let you hear all about it and how un-American it is.

00:02:59.000 From someone who has been tortured for four plus years.

00:03:04.000 And by the way, it's been declassified.

00:03:08.000 Our guest wasn't even allowed to talk under federal gag order, under national security, until five years ago.

00:03:18.000 And now he's written a book that, believe me, you do not want to miss.

00:03:22.000 The Secret Camera.

00:03:24.000 So we'll tell you about that.

00:03:26.000 But in the first two hours, masses of news, tons of key audio clips and analysis.

00:03:31.000 Yes, we're going to open the phones.

00:03:33.000 Yes, we're going to take your calls.

00:03:35.000 But I want to hear from first-time callers or people who haven't called in the last six months.

00:03:41.000 Seriously, folks, because so many people email me and then call my office.

00:03:44.000 Well, I could never get through.

00:03:47.000 And we've got our regulars, and every day new people call, but I really want to give people a chance who can never get in, or who've called the end of the show and I never get to you.

00:03:58.000 Here's your chance, any news item, any topic, any piece of propaganda you want to expose, you disagree with me, whatever, hit me with your best shot.

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00:04:06.000 We'll get you up and on the air on this December 7, 2005 edition.

00:04:09.000 Coming up, there's just so much here.

00:04:11.000 Ex-professor in Florida cleared of 8 and 17 terrorism charges.

00:04:14.000 We'll get you up on the air on this December 7, 2005 edition.

00:04:20.000 Coming up, there's just so much here.

00:04:23.000 Ex-professor in Florida cleared of 8 and 17 terrorism charges.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, O'Reilly said he should be arrested as a terrorist.

00:04:30.000 Back in the hysteria of those days, having the emperor of open borders and gun control and banning SUVs, very conservative, calling for his arrest, it actually happened.

00:04:41.000 Now, of course, they didn't put on a defense.

00:04:43.000 They said, we're innocent, it's total lies, First Amendment.

00:04:46.000 Oh, yes, we're innocent.

00:04:48.000 Housing bubble burst in the market for U.S.

00:04:50.000 mortgage bonds.

00:04:52.000 Look folks, there's so much coming up.

00:04:55.000 Ultra-massive broadcast lined up for you today.

00:04:58.000 Stay with us.

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00:08:02.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 It is December 7, 2005, Pearl Harbor Day.

00:08:26.000 We have a Veteran of what happened on that day, joining us in the third hour.

00:08:34.000 You know, we're losing these individuals.

00:08:36.000 I know that's become a cliché, but it's really true. 1.00

00:08:40.000 We're losing these individuals.

00:08:42.000 I guess the average age of a World War II vet is about 90 years old.

00:08:49.000 I know a fella who went into the Marines when he was 15.

00:08:54.000 Back then they'd wink, wink and...

00:08:56.000 Wake up boys, there's a light at the window. there's a light at the window.

00:09:15.000 I I can hear someone knocking on the door.

00:09:22.000 There are voices in the street and the sound of running feet.

00:09:28.000 And they whisper the word, REVOLUTION.

00:09:33.000 There are men coming down from the valley.

00:09:39.000 There are tall ships flying off the coast And they carry the light in the dark of the night Like a whisper in the wind Revolution!

00:09:56.000 Bring my gun and a handful of silver By the sea we will gather for the fight It's been so many years, so many tears.

00:10:14.000 We have lost once before, now we'll sell the score.

00:10:19.000 When our cans will roar, revolution.

00:10:24.000 Watch and wait, get ready for the get ready for the sign.

00:10:47.000 There are many here among us now who have not seen the light.

00:10:51.000 We must sing the word to all the people in the land.

00:10:55.000 Go to every hill and mountain For the time is now at hand So light up fire Light up fire Light up fire Let us march the road Of the rocky hill tonight

00:11:23.000 Under cover of the darkness We will slip behind the lines And we will take the man Who has stolen our land For the earth of domination Hit the right between the eyes And light up fire Welcome back ladies and gentlemen As we attend the light of fire I'm down here in Austin, Texas Deep in the heart of Texas Network is up in Minneapolis, St.

00:11:45.000 Paul area, Burnsville to be precise.

00:11:49.000 They're south of the Twin Cities and just for the last few weeks on this particular ISDN line it cuts out so we have to go to the backup.

00:11:57.000 We've been on the backup the last few days, no problem.

00:11:59.000 We went back to the original board and hook up and it had problems so now we're just going to have to switch over to the backup.

00:12:06.000 That means we'll have to put in another line in here to be the new backup because now the backup is the primary.

00:12:13.000 A little bit of behind-the-scenes programming information.

00:12:16.000 You know, whenever you go out to, say, the fair or the rodeo or some big music fest or Oktoberfest or fiesta, some type of community event, you see all the radio stations lined up with their little broadcast trucks hooked into the phone lines digitally

00:12:38.000 Doing their break-ins, doing their interviews with the mayor and the person that won the blue ribbon for the best pie or the fattest pig, that's called a remote.

00:12:48.000 Well, my entire life is a remote.

00:12:55.000 That's what I do.

00:12:58.000 Every day, I'm down here in Austin, Texas, and the network is up in Minnesota, and they do a fabulous job.

00:13:05.000 It really makes me respect people like Art Bell.

00:13:09.000 I don't agree with a lot of Art Bell's politics or the things he covers and talks about, but that guy, for the years and years he did his show, ran it from a double-wide trailer in the middle of the desert, running his own show, his own satellite connection uplink, taking his own calls, doing everything.

00:13:27.000 And folks, I've been on remotes before, back in the day doing local radio where I was having to do a lot of things myself and it is not fun.

00:13:35.000 I don't know how people like Art Bell can focus and do such a great job.

00:13:38.000 He sounds very professional while running his own show.

00:13:41.000 But that is a side issue.

00:13:44.000 It's just always important for us to think about how these broadcasts come to you.

00:13:48.000 Believe me, it's a big investment to bring you this show.

00:13:52.000 We have to have the big, fancy, dandy commercial radio birds because that's the receivers that our AM and FM affiliates have.

00:14:00.000 And you have to go lease those from either ABC or Jones or Clear Channel.

00:14:06.000 And then we've got to have the great folks running the show and the music and the computers and an advertising team.

00:14:13.000 People that then comb the planet, finding the best talk show host to talk about real issues of real significance, real talk radio, is what I've dubbed it and branded it many years ago.

00:14:23.000 And there are many imitators, but unfortunately not many that can duplicate what the Genesis Network does.

00:14:31.000 But there you have a little bit of behind-the-scenes information.

00:14:35.000 People call every ten minutes saying, I want to talk to Alex.

00:14:38.000 Well wait, he says he's in Austin, but you say you're in Minnesota.

00:14:41.000 Now who's lying here?

00:14:44.000 And I have people ask me, well how are you in Austin, Texas?

00:14:46.000 But you are then on the radio in my town, say in Kansas City. 0.99

00:14:55.000 And I'm not saying you're stupid. 0.97

00:14:58.000 What I'm saying is you're not focused on things that matter. 0.99

00:15:02.000 You're not focused on how you get Brian Williams on your TV set every night when you tune in the news.

00:15:08.000 You're not focused on where that You're not focused on where that celery comes from.

00:15:14.000 It better not come from Mexico, because there have been over 100,000 people in the last 10 years that have gotten sick from food from Mexico.

00:15:24.000 Leifton, hepatitis A, B, and C, E. coli, and other goodies.

00:15:30.000 Hepatitis C though, A, B, and C will kill you.

00:15:33.000 Other goodies like salmonella.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, it goes right through.

00:15:38.000 And so, see, not being aware of the details, it'll get us all in trouble.

00:15:42.000 And listen, I go out to eat at restaurants still, knowing that they're buying the cheapest foreign produce they can, that's being fertilized with human feces, from diseased cities of 30 million people or more, like Mexico City. 0.96

00:15:57.000 Why do I do that? 1.00

00:15:58.000 Because I'm an idiot! 1.00

00:16:00.000 Why do I still use my cell phone without a wire? 1.00

00:16:04.000 I always buy one every few months.

00:16:06.000 I always lose it.

00:16:08.000 I really can't keep things, especially electronics, or it gets broken, it gets slammed in the door, and then the earpiece doesn't work, and then for a month I won't have one like I do now, and I'll talk on the phone, openly radiating my brain.

00:16:22.000 So I'm not up here on the high horse saying you're dumb to not know where the radio show comes from. 0.76

00:16:26.000 I'm not saying you're dumb because some of you don't know or don't think about where your produce comes from. 0.99

00:16:31.000 I'm not saying you're dumb. 1.00

00:16:32.000 I'm dumb too. 1.00

00:16:34.000 And again, dumb isn't the word. 0.99

00:16:36.000 We're not focused on the real issues. 0.97

00:16:38.000 We need to focus ourselves daily and remind ourselves.

00:16:41.000 It's not radical or hippie-ish or extreme to not feed your children produce from Latin America.

00:16:49.000 To not feed them beef from Latin America that had been fed on by vampire bats.

00:16:55.000 And yes, folks, there really are vampire bats, and they're big fat things, and they sit on the back of the cow, and they're drinking their blood, and they're these skinny, diseased cows, and then all sorts of diseases they catch from the bats, and then you end up eating the meat and getting it, and it just kept quiet.

00:17:09.000 And why am I talking about this now, 17 minutes into the show?

00:17:14.000 It just shows there's absolutely no scripting here on this broadcast.

00:17:17.000 Okay, I just got my train of thought broken by that little blurb, little blurb, But here we are.

00:17:24.000 You got to hear some good music.

00:17:25.000 Krista Berg from over, what is he, Irish? 0.70

00:17:29.000 I like that music.

00:17:31.000 Let's just run through some of the headlines and we'll come back and relaunch.

00:17:35.000 Ex-professor in Florida cleared of 8 of 17 terrorism charges.

00:17:39.000 He was cleared of the actual aiding and abetting terrorism charges and being an Al Qaeda operative.

00:17:44.000 And now they've got little other petty charges on him associated with, you know, being a terrorist and then All of the other crimes associated with that, where basically everything becomes a crime once they claim you're a terrorist.

00:17:58.000 It's like saying, you committed a... Well, the Branch Davidians got, what, 47 to 49 years of peace.

00:18:06.000 Those that were convicted, the jury in San Antonio found them not guilty of committing murder of federal agents.

00:18:13.000 But then, the judge said, but I find you guilty of using firearms in the commission of murder.

00:18:19.000 But how were they found guilty of using firearms in the commission of a murder when they were found not guilty of murder?

00:18:25.000 And the Supreme Court said that's illegal.

00:18:28.000 Release them, and they've never been released.

00:18:30.000 You see, you're trying to figure out how corrupt these courts are, but it's the same thing with this guy.

00:18:34.000 He's been found not guilty of being a terrorist, but they're keeping all the other little charges that are stemming from that on him, and they'll have to beat all of those.

00:18:41.000 It's like they throw a hundred darts at you knowing that 90 of them are going to miss, 10 of them are going to stick. 0.51

00:18:47.000 Because they're criminals. 0.98

00:18:49.000 They're slave masters. 0.96

00:18:51.000 Housing bubble burst in the market for U.S.

00:18:54.000 mortgage bonds, and this is just the mainstream media doing everything they can to bust the housing bubble.

00:19:00.000 Just every day, it's busted, it's busted.

00:19:04.000 It's not busted, but they're still trying and probably will bust.

00:19:08.000 But just look at how obvious it is.

00:19:10.000 Retired generals and admirals surveilled by the Pentagon, we'll tell you about that.

00:19:16.000 British BP employees caught They're suspected of bioterrorism.

00:19:22.000 Yes, I'm not kidding.

00:19:23.000 Trying to poison a lake is the allegation.

00:19:26.000 Well, who else would be doing that?

00:19:27.000 We well know that most of these British companies have MI6 riddling them.

00:19:32.000 Lieberman calls for formation of war cabinet.

00:19:35.000 Little hockey.

00:19:37.000 Nice dual citizenship Lieberman.

00:19:39.000 Vaccine additive ban in Iowa.

00:19:41.000 I mentioned this, but never covered it yesterday.

00:19:43.000 I'm going to cover it.

00:19:45.000 Debt, unemployment, privatization, and war.

00:19:47.000 How Greenspan skewered America.

00:19:50.000 And reader comments on disbelief that Tehran building didn't collapse when it was hit by that C-130 yesterday.

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00:20:26.000 Your $100,000 now has a net purchasing power of $68,000.

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00:24:37.000 I know a lot of you do watch television, and I watch some.

00:24:40.000 Now that I've gotten into running on the treadmill more and riding an exercise bike upwards of two hours a day, a lot of times late at night, I will, quite frankly, watch TV.

00:24:52.000 And I bought the DVD set of Battlestar Galactica, and been watching that, and it's just, it's just, torture's good, torture saves us from the evil Cylons. 1.00

00:25:03.000 And then I've sat there on airplanes and watched multiple episodes of 24.

00:25:08.000 Torture every episode?

00:25:10.000 Torture's good.

00:25:11.000 I have read literally hundreds of different plots of TV shows.

00:25:17.000 Because that's what listeners send me, or I'll go to the official TV websites, and it's all how wonderful torture is, and torture is as American as apple pie.

00:25:25.000 That was actually said on the show Boston Legal, by the good guy in the court case.

00:25:29.000 We played that clip here a few months ago.

00:25:32.000 It's everywhere, and like somebody flipped a switch, law enforcement magazines, newspapers, TV, fiction and non-fiction alike, The floodgates were opened and we were told just how great torture is.

00:25:49.000 Now all the historical evidence, all the facts show that torture doesn't work.

00:25:52.000 You can't trust the evidence you get from torture.

00:25:55.000 You can't trust a government that does torture.

00:25:57.000 I mean, those evil Japanese, they tortured our men. 1.00

00:26:00.000 Why, those evil North Vietnamese, they tortured our men. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Why, those evil North Koreans, they tortured our men. 1.00

00:26:06.000 Why, those evil Nazis. 0.96

00:26:07.000 Why, Dr. Mengele, he tortured. 0.97

00:26:09.000 Oh my gosh, Saddam is so totally evil, forget the fact our government put him in power and helped keep him there. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Why, he allegedly tortured. 1.00

00:26:16.000 He's pure evil, so let's torture them! 1.00

00:26:17.000 It's just the height of hypocrisy. 1.00

00:26:24.000 It's crazy! 0.77

00:26:26.000 And so I see an article like this, AP Poll, most say torture okay in rare cases.

00:26:31.000 Now, you read into this, and the question is set in rare cases.

00:26:35.000 If there's a nuclear bomb, it's the same old moral dilemma games they play with you.

00:26:41.000 Why, if your kid's about to die and the terrorist has got a nuke strapped to him, would you torture him? 0.95

00:26:46.000 Well, yes, I'd torture him! 0.88

00:26:47.000 But if they ask you, should we torture the people we pick up?

00:26:50.000 Whole families at checkpoints in Iraq?

00:26:53.000 Take them to camps and torture them and then have them confess to crimes they didn't commit and to create false intelligence for a pretext for war and to create cadres of torture troops?

00:27:02.000 That's the Pentagon's own admitted goal?

00:27:04.000 We've, you know, had the heads of these camps on the radio?

00:27:07.000 Is that good?

00:27:08.000 Well, of course it's not good!

00:27:11.000 But they know we're very sheepish, so if they pose it like, well, everybody's for torture, well, I guess I'm for it then, too. 0.99

00:27:18.000 No, I don't care if the whole world was for torture, and I was the last person alive, and they came to me and they said, you're crazy because you're against torture and we're going to kill you. 0.98

00:27:29.000 I said, go ahead. 0.95

00:27:31.000 Because there are absolute rights and wrongs in this universe.

00:27:34.000 People say cultures aren't evil.

00:27:36.000 Of course cultures are evil. 1.00

00:27:37.000 There are black African tribes that are totally evil. 1.00

00:27:40.000 They do horrible things to their children, they sacrifice each other. 1.00

00:27:43.000 There were evil white tribes in Europe that were evil cultures. 1.00

00:27:48.000 Where evil people got control, dominated the culture, and then ingrained it into the society. 0.98

00:27:53.000 The Aztecs!

00:27:54.000 Totally evil!

00:27:55.000 Sacrificed over 10,000 people a year. 0.98

00:27:58.000 Sacrificed their children, eat them.

00:28:00.000 People would be honored to have their hearts cut out. 0.99

00:28:02.000 They were total drug heads, hallucinating on a daily basis on different drugs.

00:28:06.000 Man, I've been criticized out there.

00:28:07.000 You criticize that culture.

00:28:08.000 Why, you know, no culture is evil.

00:28:11.000 Oh, really?

00:28:11.000 Are the Nazis good?

00:28:12.000 That culture is evil! 0.97

00:28:12.000 Well, of course not! 0.97

00:28:13.000 Then shut up! 1.00

00:28:18.000 And folks, we are an evil culture. 1.00

00:28:20.000 We have killed 50 million babies in this country. 0.93

00:28:22.000 We run around attacking all these innocent people. 0.62

00:28:24.000 We've got criminals running our country. 1.00

00:28:27.000 Most of them are taking bribes or taking payoffs in whores. 1.00

00:28:31.000 We've got social engineering elite, who are the Malthusian social Darwinists, who literally funded Hitler, running things, putting sterilization, hormones in your vaccines and cancer viruses, caught red-handed all over the globe. 0.99

00:28:43.000 They're totally psychopathic, totally untrustworthy.

00:28:46.000 And then they're giving us little lessons on how torture is good. 0.98

00:28:49.000 I reject it wholesale.

00:28:51.000 I don't care if everybody's for torture, which they aren't.

00:28:53.000 You ask somebody straight up, do you believe torture is good?

00:28:56.000 Should it be done?

00:28:56.000 Most Americans in polls say no.

00:28:58.000 But you give them this little moral dilemma.

00:29:02.000 Situational ethics game.

00:29:04.000 It's the same one I saw in law enforcement magazines before 9-11.

00:29:07.000 He's got a huge bomb of anthrax to be released over a city.

00:29:10.000 It'll kill hundreds of thousands.

00:29:12.000 Will you as a SWAT team commander torture him?

00:29:14.000 The answer is yes.

00:29:15.000 Former CIA officer Billy Bob Johnson.

00:29:18.000 It was in that April 2000 issue, I'll never forget, of Firearms and Weapons of Law Enforcement.

00:29:23.000 I made a big deal about it on there.

00:29:24.000 I don't remember his name.

00:29:25.000 It wasn't Billy Bob Johnson.

00:29:26.000 I'm being sarcastic.

00:29:27.000 The CIA officer tells us why torture's good.

00:29:31.000 It is not good, ladies and gentlemen.

00:29:34.000 And it also ruins the people that do it.

00:29:36.000 Let me tell you something. 0.98

00:29:38.000 If you're not a psychopath and you torture people, you're gonna be screwed up. 1.00

00:29:42.000 And psychopaths are already screwed up. 0.99

00:29:44.000 So it's just as bad, in some cases worse, for the torturer. 0.99

00:29:49.000 Yes!

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00:33:06.000 He's saying this again because it's important.

00:33:08.000 you It is not classified.

00:33:12.000 It is public.

00:33:14.000 Bernays and many others, the fathers of advertising and propaganda 70, 80 years ago said, we're going to use advertisement techniques, we're going to use propaganda techniques to totally enslave you, to totally basically mesmerize you, to break up your families, to put you in compact cities, to force drug you, to reduce your numbers.

00:33:36.000 This has been the Malthusian Social Darwin slash Eugenics Nazi, whatever you want to call it, program.

00:33:45.000 And they're masters at this, getting you to associate your whole identity with whatever little predatory group you're a part of.

00:33:52.000 And many people that are part of these predatory groups are themselves being fed on at a statistical level even higher than those that is the supposed general prey class of that substrata group.

00:34:04.000 I'm not trying to get all wordy here, it's just that there are egghead psychiatrists, psychologists, sociologists, pitchmen, advertising execs, Who understand psychology.

00:34:16.000 They have hundreds of universities to pull from.

00:34:19.000 Where billions a year are spent by the Defense Department alone just in testing what flicker rate to flash little symbols on the screen to make your brain switch into lower than REM sleep level of brainwaves.

00:34:36.000 I mean, I've actually been at the UT Psychology Department, and it's DARPA-funded, declassified programs I've been allowed into, where it's all how to flicker the TV to control your mind.

00:34:45.000 I mean, that's at UT!

00:34:50.000 Because I have a friend there that's pretty high-level and allowed me in to see it.

00:34:53.000 But he won't let me see the unclassified areas.

00:34:56.000 It was bad enough.

00:34:57.000 It was just DARPA documents, DARPA over the laboratories.

00:35:02.000 Everything was DARPA, DARPA, DARPA, DARPA.

00:35:05.000 And remember what Eisenhower warned us of.

00:35:06.000 The undue influence of the military-industrial complex.

00:35:09.000 The danger of it.

00:35:11.000 They're buying up everything.

00:35:12.000 And it's those financial interests behind them.

00:35:15.000 And folks, they'll jiggle a little Arab in front of you on a string and, oh, he's going to get you. 1.00

00:35:20.000 Then you trace back who that radical Arab was funded by. 0.85

00:35:22.000 It always leads back into some spider hole in the New World Order.

00:35:25.000 I mean, every time. 1.00

00:35:28.000 And the poor Arab idiot, Muslim idiot, may not even realize that. 1.00

00:35:32.000 In many cases. 1.00

00:35:33.000 In many they do.

00:35:34.000 They're just on the payroll.

00:35:36.000 And they jiggle that in front of you to scare you into submission, to scare you into going along with the New World Order, to scare you into accepting tyranny.

00:35:44.000 And then meanwhile, they're domestically turning America into a New World Order police state.

00:35:52.000 It's simple.

00:35:53.000 The financial interests that own our military and Big Pharma and the media They just said, hey, why don't we just take over America? 0.98

00:36:00.000 We've already taken over the world?

00:36:01.000 Yeah, how we gonna do it?

00:36:03.000 Uh, we'll use terrorism as a threat.

00:36:05.000 And they even write white papers up, more than you can shake a stick at. 0.99

00:36:08.000 And they brag about it, and call us slaves, and call us stupid, and we're the barbarians, and we gotta have an outside threat to unify us. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Ha ha ha! 0.98

00:36:18.000 And it's just so... and I know I've been talking a lot about this lately, but it's just...

00:36:22.000 When are people... Seriously, I know there's a lot of you listening right now that are going, I just don't like this guy.

00:36:27.000 I just don't believe it.

00:36:28.000 What do you mean you just don't believe it?

00:36:30.000 You can go verify what I'm saying instantly.

00:36:32.000 I mean, I remember being radical going, they're going to put thumb scanners in the grocery stores and the tanning salons and the banks and everywhere else.

00:36:42.000 They're going to start with your employers making you do it to clock in.

00:36:46.000 Oh, he's a radical nut.

00:36:47.000 He says they're going to be scanning us. 0.99

00:36:49.000 What a kook.

00:36:49.000 That's five years ago.

00:36:51.000 Industry publications, trade publications, said it!

00:36:55.000 This was the big CEO's meeting!

00:36:58.000 And they would talk about how the people don't like it, but this is part of the control grid, and we're working with the Pentagon in an agreement, and they want this done, and we're being funded.

00:37:05.000 It's not even hidden!

00:37:11.000 I mean, to have the government, controlled by private interest, openly using high-tech mind-control weapons, they call it mind weapons, that's what the Nazis called it, And that's what they're doing.

00:37:24.000 It's just psychology.

00:37:25.000 It's word-twisting.

00:37:26.000 It's semantical.

00:37:28.000 It's everything.

00:37:29.000 And you've got to get down to the rock bottom of what we're facing.

00:37:33.000 All right.

00:37:34.000 Barrett and Jason and Nathan and others, your calls are coming up.

00:37:38.000 I just read stuff like this.

00:37:40.000 AP poll, most say torture okay in rare cases.

00:37:46.000 And then they just go into how wonderful it is.

00:37:49.000 And then, I see this one.

00:37:51.000 ACLU file suit challenging CIA rendition.

00:37:58.000 Names ex-CIA director.

00:38:00.000 And all this is just where they, literally a van pulls up, they put a gun up to you and say, don't move or we'll blow you away.

00:38:05.000 And they drop a bag over your head and take you off and you're never seen again.

00:38:09.000 They literally throw you into a peat bog.

00:38:11.000 And you tell the average person that, and they're just, oh sure, that's going on.

00:38:16.000 Bin Laden's fate is still unknown.

00:38:18.000 Oh, but the government says, don't worry, they're going to get him.

00:38:21.000 Sure they are.

00:38:22.000 They're going to get one of their super protégé assets who died a few years ago and whose family was rewarded with at least $5 billion in contracts immediately after 9-11 for letting their son take the fall, take the blame, and be the boogeyman while being a hero in his own country.

00:38:40.000 Hunter sees torture ban staying in bill.

00:38:43.000 ABC News, they're saying that It looks like there is going to be a ban on torture in there, and Lord Bush says he will veto it.

00:38:52.000 He's against torture, but he will veto a ban on torture.

00:38:55.000 And torture is needed, but he's against torture.

00:38:57.000 But if you get caught torturing under my direct orders of torture, I'll put you in prison. 0.99

00:39:02.000 So just remember that, all you little sickos who are for torture. 0.99

00:39:05.000 When people followed orders and tortured, and were dumb enough to take photos of it, then they went to prison. 0.98

00:39:12.000 And then we have people finally seeing what's happened here.

00:39:15.000 This is Reuters.

00:39:16.000 Torture takes on new meaning in post-9-11 U.S.

00:39:18.000 Rice was over in Germany and said, well, we just don't call it torture.

00:39:22.000 Well, that's the Gonzales Doctrine.

00:39:25.000 That Bush is above the law.

00:39:26.000 He is the law.

00:39:27.000 All law flows from him as if he is Jehovah Yahweh. 0.96

00:39:33.000 And literally, it says he is above the law, he can do whatever he wants, and he says it's not torture, it ain't torture, and we can, quote, pressure someone until they die, and it's not torture.

00:39:44.000 He actually said, torture them to death, and we won't call it torture.

00:39:47.000 Torture them to death! 1.00

00:39:49.000 To death! 1.00

00:39:50.000 Well, they're Al-Qaeda! 1.00

00:39:51.000 They deserve it! 0.98

00:39:52.000 Well, they're Communist Jews! 1.00

00:39:54.000 They deserve it! 0.68

00:39:55.000 I work for the Fuhrer!

00:39:57.000 Well, they're American servicemen! 0.96

00:39:59.000 They're evil imperialists! 0.98

00:40:01.000 I'm a North Vietnamese! 1.00

00:40:02.000 I can torture! 1.00

00:40:03.000 They're evil! 1.00

00:40:03.000 They're not human! 1.00

00:40:05.000 They're Arabs! 0.99

00:40:06.000 They're not human! 0.99

00:40:08.000 See?

00:40:11.000 You sickos! 1.00

00:40:12.000 I've had debates with you! 1.00

00:40:13.000 I've had you attack me!

00:40:16.000 Because I won't sit there and go along with you.

00:40:19.000 I won't sit there and say torture is a good thing.

00:40:21.000 Working together to stop ID cards...

00:40:29.000 A big move against those.

00:40:31.000 Ex-professor in Florida cleared of A to the 17 charges.

00:40:33.000 Mentioned that.

00:40:34.000 Housing bubble bursting.

00:40:36.000 Retired generals and admirals surveilled by the Pentagon.

00:40:39.000 British BP employees caught suspected of bioterrorism, poisoning a lake.

00:40:44.000 We'll get into that.

00:40:45.000 Lieberman calls for formation of war, Kevin.

00:40:48.000 Oh, this is sick.

00:40:49.000 Vaccine had to be banned in Iowa.

00:40:51.000 That's only to make you feel good and take the shot.

00:40:53.000 It's not true.

00:40:55.000 Debt, unemployment, privatization, war.

00:40:57.000 How Greenspan has skewered America.

00:40:59.000 This is some of what's coming up.

00:41:01.000 I've got three audio clips today.

00:41:03.000 One is a comedian.

00:41:06.000 We'll play in the next hour.

00:41:07.000 He goes down.

00:41:07.000 He's an Australian and American.

00:41:09.000 He's a famous show in Australia.

00:41:12.000 Also airs in England.

00:41:14.000 And he goes around talking to Americans.

00:41:16.000 He says, who should we attack next in the War on Terror?

00:41:19.000 And for some reason, a whole bunch of them thought Australia was Iran.

00:41:23.000 That's what needs to be attacked.

00:41:25.000 And they were just, they said, France is our enemy, needs to be attacked.

00:41:29.000 And folks, I've actually years ago, On my local radio show, I just did it a few times.

00:41:35.000 I certainly didn't invent this.

00:41:37.000 It's really a sad testament.

00:41:38.000 What sends a listener out, or one of the interns out, that's one reason I guess to have interns actually.

00:41:45.000 We could do that here.

00:41:47.000 But send them out and just have them go into a mall and start talking to people and going, who's the vice president?

00:41:54.000 How many continents are there?

00:41:57.000 What's your state capital?

00:41:59.000 Or who should we attack next?

00:42:02.000 But the scary thing is, these people, literally, I'd say about half of Americans don't even know what planet this is.

00:42:07.000 And I'm not joking.

00:42:09.000 They'll go, Earth?

00:42:10.000 Well, are we the center of the universe?

00:42:13.000 I've got to do this.

00:42:13.000 Go out and ask them, which planet are we?

00:42:17.000 Where are we?

00:42:18.000 What's the name of our galaxy?

00:42:22.000 Do we orbit the sun, or does the sun orbit us?

00:42:25.000 I guarantee you folks, half of them aren't going to know.

00:42:29.000 And I don't sit up here in some elite position feeling good.

00:42:32.000 I'm just an average person.

00:42:34.000 I don't consider myself that smart.

00:42:35.000 But my heroes are inventors and mathematicians and firefighters and real soldiers and good cops and people that actually do things, folks.

00:42:44.000 My heroes are not Michael Jordan or Michael... What's his name?

00:42:51.000 Magic Johnson.

00:42:51.000 I don't know.

00:42:52.000 All those people.

00:42:53.000 Tiger Woods.

00:42:54.000 All that.

00:42:56.000 Lance...

00:42:57.000 Slave Nike tennis shoe.

00:42:59.000 I love George Bush.

00:43:01.000 Armstrong.

00:43:02.000 None of them.

00:43:03.000 None of them.

00:43:03.000 I'm sorry.

00:43:05.000 When we were the apple of the world's eye, when we had all the inventions and half the world's wealth, we were 4% of the population, those were our heroes.

00:43:14.000 And the big banking association got together and said, openly, we've got to dumb them down.

00:43:18.000 I mean, we have those documents.

00:43:19.000 We've got to take over the schools and pay them off with endowments and dumb them down.

00:43:23.000 And right here in town, that's followed today.

00:43:25.000 Bill Gates is paying off the local schools to dumb down the curriculum.

00:43:30.000 While, you know, he's in the third world giving them special vaccines because he loves the children.

00:43:35.000 You'll be feeling real good after this injection.

00:43:38.000 You see, we're just naive folks.

00:43:40.000 But the scary thing is, these people who don't know their head from a hole in the ground, they will still debate with you.

00:43:48.000 They will still argue with you.

00:43:50.000 They've still got their view.

00:43:52.000 They still think WMDs were found in major polls.

00:43:55.000 They thought Saddam was bin Laden.

00:43:58.000 Literally.

00:44:00.000 It's like talking to a Well, my dog's smarter than most of these people.

00:44:05.000 It's like talking to a drunken parrot.

00:44:07.000 I mean, it has speech, but it's only a facsimile.

00:44:11.000 It's not... They're almost unreachable, folks.

00:44:16.000 They need to be rehabilitated.

00:44:19.000 You know, talked to like Helen Keller was.

00:44:21.000 They need to be shown things and given a feel for things.

00:44:25.000 And somehow, I just...

00:44:29.000 It's a branding.

00:44:30.000 That's why Al-Qaeda in Iraq today released a news... There's no group called Al-Qaeda in Iraq.

00:44:36.000 They just... It's made up.

00:44:37.000 Al-Zaqqari and Zawahiri and... Just all of this.

00:44:41.000 It's just... It's la-la land. 1.00

00:44:43.000 No basis in reality.

00:44:45.000 No basis in the real world.

00:44:46.000 Alright, I know I'm ranting.

00:44:49.000 I said I'd go to your calls.

00:44:50.000 It's just that... Where does it all end?

00:44:53.000 I'm... It just... I'm beginning to realize it really is just the dumbing down we face.

00:44:59.000 We got this clip where Brian Williams of national TV fame just soft pedals and so the government's paying off local newscasts in Iraq.

00:45:08.000 By the way, what's going on here domestically, that's no big deal.

00:45:11.000 That always goes on.

00:45:12.000 It's freedom.

00:45:14.000 Then another clip where they try to make it all partisan and all these people are getting busted, money laundering and running scams and taking money for defense contracts.

00:45:22.000 Hundreds of millions, 800 million dollars to just get a couple million out of it.

00:45:26.000 I mean, just total scams. 0.84

00:45:27.000 And oh, you're an evil liberal if you criticize it.

00:45:29.000 Why, all these Republican congressmen, they deserve their own 800 million.

00:45:32.000 You know, what's the big deal?

00:45:36.000 Let's go ahead and take some calls.

00:45:38.000 Barreth in Texas.

00:45:39.000 Thanks for holding.

00:45:40.000 Go ahead, Barreth.

00:45:41.000 Oh, hi, Alex.

00:45:42.000 You know, I've been listening to your show for a while now, and I called once before, and you know, you really changed the way I think about a lot of things.

00:45:48.000 I'm really glad you made that point earlier about how the predator-prey class groups of people are co-opted.

00:45:54.000 You know, I don't know if you've ever read Howard Finn's People's History of the United States.

00:45:59.000 Do me a favor.

00:46:00.000 Speak up, sir.

00:46:01.000 Oh, sorry about that.

00:46:02.000 Yeah, I was just saying, I was wondering if you had read Howard Finn's The People's History of the United States.

00:46:07.000 No, I haven't, but I've heard about it.

00:46:09.000 Right, and essentially you make the same argument.

00:46:12.000 Like you made the point earlier about the Katrina evacuation, you have people being balkanized and being separated based on race, when in fact it was an attack on the middle class.

00:46:21.000 So the people that are supposedly part of the predator class, i.e.

00:46:26.000 people from the quote-unquote white middle class, are in fact co-opted And made worse off than the people that are being evacuated and are supposedly on the dole.

00:46:35.000 Well exactly, let me get this straight for people out there.

00:46:37.000 A small fraction of classical welfare moms. 0.92

00:46:43.000 That's a small fraction of total welfare.

00:46:45.000 The lion's share is corporate welfare.

00:46:48.000 But you don't hear Lord Limbaugh talk about that.

00:46:52.000 And again, I'm not for that welfare of that mother either, long term, because it is designed to make her dependent.

00:46:58.000 It is designed to be predatory.

00:46:59.000 But far from being reformed, it's actually being increased.

00:47:03.000 And it's very destructive, but I'm not lessening blacks contributing to America's development, but in the overall economic study, they actually hurt America. 1.00

00:47:13.000 Black slaves were used to leverage out any white middle class, but even though only 2% of white Americans owned slaves, the lion's share of Americans who didn't own slaves still supported it, because it was at least a class they could look down on. 0.72

00:47:32.000 So, even though it was hurting them, because they were competing against all these slaves, they were still for it.

00:47:38.000 So, there's another economic example.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, I mean, that is just spot on.

00:47:42.000 You know, actually, the people that fought for the Confederacy, not, I mean, I doubt any of the foot soldiers in that war owned a single slave, but they're co-opted into thinking that it's their fight.

00:47:51.000 Same way that it's happening now.

00:47:54.000 You know, and you see these trends happening all over the world, like my parents are from India, and you know, you see these same trends, these same, like, you know, in India it'll be a communal tension between two religious ethnic groups, and it's proliferating because people are Jumping on this bandwagon of being part of some global empire.

00:48:15.000 You can co-op countries, you can co-op individuals.

00:48:19.000 Oh yeah, the average American who's a neocon thinks, I'm getting the oil, I'm part of the empire.

00:48:24.000 Folks, you're to be sucked dry to fuel the empire.

00:48:29.000 Exactly, and you know, none of us are, and I was just, I mean, my radio's down and I was just listening to Neil Bort.

00:48:35.000 And I'm listening to them talk, and all these people talk like such big conservatives, and they talk like they really stand for their people.

00:48:42.000 We've got to deal with these liberals.

00:48:44.000 Meanwhile, Bush is busting the border wide open.

00:48:46.000 National ID cards, total control.

00:48:49.000 Spent more money than all previous presidents combined.

00:48:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:53.000 And you're five years into office, folks.

00:48:55.000 And I mean, what you were saying earlier about critiques of culture is so true, because, you know, I'm a Hindu, and I'm a religious Hindu, but there are elements in my culture and in my religion that have co-opted people into thinking that certain people aren't even human.

00:49:10.000 And it happens everywhere in the world.

00:49:11.000 Yeah, that's the caste system. 0.99

00:49:13.000 Very, very destructive.

00:49:15.000 Oh, yeah, and you know, and it's been dehumanizing, but there's good people... That's loving and liberal, it's beautiful!

00:49:20.000 Oh, right.

00:49:20.000 You can't criticize it, and... Listen, Barrett, it's good to hear from you.

00:49:24.000 It's always great.

00:49:26.000 Great points.

00:49:26.000 Thank you for the call.

00:49:27.000 I think you've called once before.

00:49:29.000 Jason in Maryland, you're on the air.

00:49:30.000 Go ahead.

00:49:33.000 Hello.

00:49:33.000 Hi, Alex.

00:49:34.000 I actually don't have anything to say.

00:49:36.000 I don't get you on the radio anymore, and I just called to listen.

00:49:39.000 That's a nice call.

00:49:40.000 Thank you.

00:49:41.000 We're going to have to let you go, sir.

00:49:42.000 I'm sorry you don't get us on the radio in your area anymore, but you can buy shortwave radio for about $50.

00:49:49.000 Pretty good one.

00:49:50.000 And tune us in on 9.985 during the day.

00:49:52.000 And at night, we are on shortwave first hour.

00:49:56.000 What is it?

00:49:56.000 5.7 something, 5?

00:49:58.000 You can call the network, they can tell you, or it's on Infowars.com.

00:50:01.000 And the second two hours are now on 3210.

00:50:03.000 I'm not trying to be mean, Jason, but we just can't let the phone lines be filled up with people that want to listen over the phone line.

00:50:11.000 You can also buy a computer now for about $200 and get free software and listen right there online for free.

00:50:18.000 We'd love to have you tune in and listen to us, sir.

00:50:20.000 Let's talk to Nathan in Texas.

00:50:22.000 Well, you know what?

00:50:23.000 Put him on hold.

00:50:24.000 I'm going to go to break.

00:50:27.000 And then I'm going to come back, and we're going to take calls.

00:50:31.000 1-800-259-9231.

00:50:32.000 And there's so much news.

00:50:34.000 You already mentioned some of it.

00:50:35.000 It's all coming up.

00:50:37.000 1-800-259-9231.

00:50:37.000 And we'll get you up and on the air.

00:50:42.000 You know, I don't screen calls, but there are some benefits, I guess, to it, because then we wouldn't put a caller on air who wasn't listening and just wanted to listen.

00:50:52.000 But it's amazing.

00:50:54.000 We'll be right back, folks.

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00:58:54.000 Big Brother Mainstream Media Government Cover-Ups You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:16.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, now into the second hour.

00:59:26.000 There's just unbelievable amounts of news I've got to cover in this hour, and a bunch of your calls I want to take.

00:59:33.000 Three different audio clips we're going to be playing this hour.

00:59:34.000 Brian Williams saying, hey, government paying off media is no big deal.

00:59:38.000 Just part of freedom.

00:59:39.000 And clips where Americans think that Australia is Iran when they're shown a map on live television.

00:59:47.000 Just to illustrate another clip concerning payoffs and corruption and bid rigging with the Congress.

00:59:55.000 But right now, I've got to move quick because I want to get to all of you who have been holding patiently.

00:59:59.000 You know I'm a long-winded creature.

01:00:01.000 Let's go to Nathan in Texas, then we're going to go to Joseph, Jimmy, and Richard and others.

01:00:05.000 Go ahead.

01:00:06.000 You're on the air, Nathan.

01:00:07.000 How are you doing, Alex?

01:00:08.000 Fine.

01:00:09.000 Are you familiar with Cthulhu mythology?

01:00:13.000 I'm not big into mythology and things of that nature, though I've researched a lot of different mythologies to understand different mindsets of different populations, but why don't you fill me in?

01:00:24.000 Okay.

01:00:25.000 Well, the Cthulhu mythology talks about evil gods deep under the sea.

01:00:29.000 And then I want to bring up another one.

01:00:31.000 You're talking about Babylonian stuff?

01:00:33.000 Yeah.

01:00:34.000 I'm actually very familiar with all that.

01:00:37.000 Great, well then I don't have to fill you in.

01:00:38.000 Well that's how the New World Order follows. 0.69

01:00:40.000 Right, have you seen the cover of the Chronicle this week?

01:00:43.000 No.

01:00:44.000 It has a giant octopus on it with a tentacle crushing Texas.

01:00:47.000 It's suddenly and deliberately attacked.

01:00:49.000 It has a bandana on with a rising sun.

01:00:53.000 On the cover.

01:00:54.000 What does that mean?

01:00:56.000 Saying Japan's going to attack Texas?

01:00:59.000 Yeah, it's really boring.

01:01:01.000 Don't look at the nation symbology.

01:01:02.000 You look at the rising sun is a sign for Lucifer.

01:01:06.000 No, I know that's a big Illuminati sign.

01:01:08.000 It's just the symbology.

01:01:11.000 That's all it is.

01:01:14.000 I think that they just like the forecast and newspapers and whatnot.

01:01:18.000 Well, the Chronicle is run by New World Order individuals. 1.00

01:01:20.000 Louis Black and his people are just a piece of work.

01:01:24.000 And as far as the Frost and Paint building goes, I know everybody knows it looks like an owl.

01:01:29.000 And that is exactly what it is.

01:01:31.000 And if you look at Moloch, they burn a fire in the belly and throw their effigies in the belly.

01:01:38.000 If you look at the Frost and Paint building, it has a giant opening at the bottom.

01:01:42.000 And I'm thinking that maybe they're going to do something with that building as far as maybe have Mexico terrorists attack it and then they can like war against Mexico or something like that.

01:01:54.000 I'm not really sure.

01:01:55.000 I doubt that, sir, because it's not part of their program.

01:01:57.000 Mexico has been attacking us and it's been covered up.

01:01:59.000 But thank you for the call.

01:02:00.000 I appreciate it, Nathan.

01:02:02.000 Let's talk to Joseph in England.

01:02:03.000 Go ahead, Joseph.

01:02:04.000 You're on the air.

01:02:05.000 Hi, Alex.

01:02:07.000 It's quite interesting what you were saying before about propaganda in popular culture and movies and that kind of thing.

01:02:14.000 I mean, I know we've spoken about this before, because I've heard you on the radio talking about it, but the latest War of the Worlds film is probably the best example of that.

01:02:24.000 Oh, they admittedly said it was all 9-11 imagery, and Spielberg admitted it was to make us love the government, where the military saves us, and the plane crashes, and all the pictures on the wall, and oh yeah, it's totally, the Arabs are the aliens. 0.78

01:02:39.000 Well, I've got a friend who sort of, you know, vehemently disputed that with me and I basically proved that that was the point, despite the fact that 9-11, Spielberg, War of the Worlds... Well, Spielberg admitted it.

01:02:50.000 That's the point.

01:02:52.000 I mean, you'll find active evidence to support that, but when I heard that they were doing this, I just... Well, your friend probably thinks that Iran is Australia, too.

01:03:02.000 You ought to tell him that.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a double-edged sword, I suppose, is the popular culture, because it can be used in a lot of ways to wake people up.

01:03:15.000 The problem is, if you were watching it from a conscious point of view, most people suspend disbelief and just give themselves to it.

01:03:24.000 They just turn themselves over to it.

01:03:25.000 Do you have more to add, Joseph?

01:03:28.000 No, I mean, that's basically.

01:03:29.000 I mean... Well, stay there.

01:03:30.000 You wanted to make a point about double-edged swords.

01:03:32.000 Stay there.

01:03:33.000 I'll let you finish up.

01:03:33.000 I don't want to cut the show short.

01:03:34.000 And then, Jimmy and Richard and others.

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01:06:59.000 The controlled media would never get up on television five years ago and say every child needs a microchip to prove they're good or aren't with Al-Qaeda.

01:07:11.000 Now it's on the news on a weekly basis that I catch.

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01:07:37.000 Now they are.

01:07:38.000 They would never just get up on TV a few years ago and go, yeah, the military's paying off the Iraqi newspapers.

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01:07:48.000 Turns out they're all government paid for.

01:07:51.000 If they're not, then the insurgents just so happen to bomb them.

01:07:54.000 Yes, the insurgents always bomb the peace houses and always bomb the newspapers that our government doesn't like.

01:08:01.000 Sure, and then they catch MI6 running around with bombs, posing as Arabs shooting police, and they catch Israelis doing it, but it's not. 0.96

01:08:09.000 It's just that the Arabs, they did it all. 1.00

01:08:11.000 They're going to get us if we don't give all our rights up.

01:08:14.000 But NBC anchor Williams, Bush administration has right to buy media coverage. 0.73

01:08:19.000 I want to play that clip coming up in a few minutes before we take some more calls.

01:08:23.000 Joseph in England was making the point about how, I was talking about how every movie, every TV show, it's all New World Order's good, torture's good, world government's good, giving up your rights is good, SWAT teams everywhere conditioning you to accept it.

01:08:35.000 This is how cops look now, they wear a black mask.

01:08:39.000 This is how they're conditioning us.

01:08:40.000 We're judging how the world is supposed to be off of fiction.

01:08:44.000 But he was saying it was a double-edged sword.

01:08:46.000 Why are you saying it's a double-edged sword?

01:08:49.000 It can be, but I mean, to be honest, as a researcher, I mean, I would never just fob somebody off with a fictional piece when there's other ways you can educate a person.

01:08:58.000 I mean, the word you used about, you know, the conscious mind will, you know, pick these things up when you're looking for it.

01:09:04.000 But obviously, even something like 1984 can be taken in the wrong way.

01:09:09.000 And there's a lot better ways to wake people up than, you know, with a film or something.

01:09:15.000 Actually, Huxley, oh, what was his book he wrote?

01:09:18.000 I wrote it about ten years ago.

01:09:19.000 Played a speech he gave from it in 62.

01:09:22.000 What, Beyond?

01:09:24.000 No, Brave New World Revisited.

01:09:26.000 That was it.

01:09:27.000 And in there, he goes, oh, no, you know, I'm a social planner.

01:09:29.000 I'm a sociologist.

01:09:30.000 This is the plan.

01:09:32.000 And a lot of us are using 1984 and Brave New World as a template of control.

01:09:37.000 Hillary says her two favorite books are 1984 and Brave New World, because it's a template.

01:09:45.000 Oh yeah, I mean exactly, that's pretty much the way these things get out, they're basically telling you what they're going to do.

01:09:51.000 There's a lot of reasons to do it.

01:09:52.000 A, they might want to see how people react.

01:09:54.000 B, they might be conditioning people to accept it.

01:09:58.000 There's a number of reasons.

01:09:59.000 Well, exactly.

01:10:00.000 Studies have shown that even if you take something as negative, oh, that was a horrible science fiction movie where they make everybody take chips, and there's police everywhere in black uniforms.

01:10:08.000 Oh, look, I turned on TV.

01:10:09.000 We all need chips and the police are in black uniforms.

01:10:12.000 Even if you're against it, just hearing about it over and over again, you become acclimated.

01:10:20.000 It's part of the desensitization process.

01:10:23.000 You've got to force yourself to be conscious.

01:10:26.000 It is an act of will to do it.

01:10:30.000 It is an act of will not to go along with it.

01:10:33.000 And we all fall down.

01:10:34.000 We all still eat produce from Mexico, sprayed with human feces and hepatitis C exploding. 0.98

01:10:41.000 We all still put cell phones up to our heads, or most of us do.

01:10:45.000 We all still occasionally drink fluoridated water, you know, an iced tea or whatever.

01:10:50.000 We all still let our kids watch TV, which we shouldn't.

01:10:54.000 We've got to get control, and once you do it, it's a process of coming out of Babylon. 0.96

01:11:00.000 None of us are perfect.

01:11:04.000 Anything else there, Joseph?

01:11:06.000 No, I just wish you off the TV.

01:11:09.000 Take care, my friend.

01:11:09.000 Yes, sir.

01:11:11.000 Or having it as a treat.

01:11:12.000 I mean, there's still good films and good movies out there.

01:11:14.000 Watch a movie once a week.

01:11:17.000 Watch maybe one TV news show a week.

01:11:19.000 Select.

01:11:20.000 Be selective.

01:11:21.000 It's like you don't eat Dutch chocolate ice cream seven days a week.

01:11:24.000 You allow yourself maybe once a week, unless you totally just give yourself over, or you've got the fastest metabolism in the world, you don't eat a half gallon of chocolate ice cream every night.

01:11:35.000 It's because you want it.

01:11:38.000 These things are really toxic in large amounts.

01:11:42.000 And if you watch four hours of TV a day like the average American does, there's no way.

01:11:46.000 I couldn't stay conscious and totally focused and be analyzing for four hours.

01:11:53.000 I mean, you just can't do it.

01:11:55.000 So I will not watch something like that.

01:11:58.000 I can't enjoy most movies because I'm conscious just from training.

01:12:04.000 Throughout the two-hour film, and it's just non-stop propaganda.

01:12:07.000 And I see layers of propaganda.

01:12:09.000 They're writing this stuff to hit people at multiple levels.

01:12:12.000 I mean, this is genius stuff.

01:12:14.000 We're not up against a bunch of wimps. 1.00

01:12:18.000 But being conscious of the control is half the battle.

01:12:22.000 Knowing of the enemy is half the battle.

01:12:25.000 Isn't that a G.I.

01:12:26.000 Joe slogan?

01:12:27.000 Go Joe!

01:12:28.000 Let's go ahead and... That's humor, folks.

01:12:31.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Jimmy in Florida.

01:12:33.000 Go ahead, Jimmy.

01:12:34.000 Hi Alex, first time caller.

01:12:37.000 Welcome.

01:12:38.000 Short time listener, I found you on Coast to Coast one night about two months ago and your show is right up my alley.

01:12:48.000 I'm going to get a short wave radio too, but what I wanted to talk to you about is I've been emailing Senator Bill Nelson back and forth the last month regarding Able Danger and he seems to have made a switch.

01:13:05.000 First off, he's telling me that he will go ahead and check this out, if it makes it to the Senate floor, and I don't know where it's at now.

01:13:16.000 There's no debating able danger, but for those that don't know what it is, why don't you tell people?

01:13:22.000 Well, it was a data mining operation.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, Army Intelligence was catching Al-Qaeda red-handed about to attack, but they didn't know that Al-Qaeda was CIA, black-op, even above CIA, that total shadow government at National Security Council level. 0.59

01:13:45.000 And so all their investigations got killed, whether it was Bill Clinton or George Bush.

01:13:49.000 They both signed W1999, ordering the entire government, under threat of jail, to leave Al-Qaeda alone.

01:13:56.000 Yes, they're all trying to cover it up right now.

01:13:59.000 My latest email comes back.

01:14:00.000 The first line says, Thank you for contacting me regarding the unauthorized release of classified information.

01:14:04.000 Well, Clinton's guilty, and so is Bush, because they're two wheels on the same truck.

01:14:09.000 Yes, they're all trying to cover it up right now.

01:14:11.000 My latest email comes back.

01:14:15.000 The first line says, Thank you for contacting me regarding the unauthorized release of classified information.

01:14:21.000 I was under the impression it was unclassified information.

01:14:25.000 No, they're trying to prosecute the Army colonel, the intelligence chief of that section, uh... who now basically knows what's going on And last time I heard, they were looking for him and they want to charge him.

01:14:42.000 Of unclassified material.

01:14:44.000 No, I know, but you see they retroactively are claiming now, and they want to arrest him because there was $9 in over six cell phone deals and another $65.

01:14:54.000 He's very evil, but a trillion a year is missing from the Pentagon.

01:15:00.000 And folks, I know you think the Pentagon budget is $460 billion.

01:15:04.000 They have investment funds.

01:15:06.000 Those have all been sunk dry.

01:15:08.000 And I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:15:10.000 I thought Senator Nelson was prejudging this.

01:15:16.000 That was my interpretation.

01:15:17.000 If he was going to get to the bottom of this when it reached the Senate floor, well, he's already made up his mind.

01:15:24.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:15:24.000 They always get to the bottom.

01:15:26.000 It's like it's alleged they're CIA torture camps.

01:15:29.000 Those things are public.

01:15:30.000 They were public four years ago.

01:15:31.000 And he would be the one that would really want to check in on this because He's part of the Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committee.

01:15:40.000 You would think he would be really interested in getting involved.

01:15:44.000 I've interviewed the heads of embassies who were told on the phone, you let Mohammed out of back end, he's a CIA officer.

01:15:51.000 I mean, it's not debatable, folks.

01:15:53.000 They trained at military bases.

01:15:54.000 They were decoys taking part in drills to test readiness to see if the air marshals would pick up on them.

01:16:00.000 And those planes got locked down.

01:16:01.000 They got nerve gas.

01:16:02.000 Those planes got flown into buildings.

01:16:04.000 Period.

01:16:05.000 Period.

01:16:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:07.000 His email goes on and he says, uh, I'm aware of the problems that the intelligence leaks represent.

01:16:15.000 I didn't know that the intelligence leak ever got out.

01:16:18.000 Yeah, so he's turning it around.

01:16:20.000 You want to know about Able Danger and our government protecting Al-Qaeda, I mean, excuse me, Al-Qaeda, I mean, NSA, National Security Council, ADA, and he turns it around to, oh yes, I'm very upset that people are blowing the whistle on us.

01:16:36.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:37.000 I got one question and then I'll let you go.

01:16:42.000 The 911 victim survivors, you rarely ever hear anything coming from any of these people at all.

01:16:49.000 If it was me and I had lost someone in the 911, however it fell down, I would have been up in arms.

01:17:00.000 Well, sir, the $2 million payoff must have been significant enough that they don't say anything.

01:17:06.000 They were only able to pay off about half of them, and we've interviewed a lot of them here, I don't know, over ten of them.

01:17:12.000 They have marched around the White House with signs saying Bush did it, Bush knew.

01:17:16.000 It got ten seconds on CNN one time three years ago.

01:17:20.000 They have marched around in New York, no media coverage.

01:17:24.000 We talked to them.

01:17:25.000 About around half of them have been out there.

01:17:28.000 Have they?

01:17:28.000 And have been, yes sir, and have been, and you just absolutely... You'd think that'd be newsworthy.

01:17:33.000 Victims' families saying the government did it.

01:17:35.000 No sir, you don't hear about it.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, I don't hear about it.

01:17:38.000 Nobody sees it on TV or the radio.

01:17:43.000 But I mean, regardless, don't you think that's newsworthy?

01:17:46.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:17:48.000 That is an absolute big, huge story that they're suppressing.

01:17:54.000 Well, they're trying.

01:17:55.000 I mean, major polls.

01:17:59.000 Anderson Cooper on CNN did an hour-long hit piece and then took a poll, and they had tens of thousands, what, 18,000 respondents, and 90% believe the government was involved.

01:18:10.000 I mean, so it isn't working.

01:18:13.000 The only way is to vote them out.

01:18:17.000 And they're rushing to put in fraud machines, publicly proven to be government-run total frauds, to block you.

01:18:23.000 There's no way, is there, Alec?

01:18:25.000 There is, you know, good cops, good CIA, good defense intelligence.

01:18:30.000 I mean, they're blowing the whistle every day, brother.

01:18:32.000 You've got to stand up for them.

01:18:34.000 Absolutely.

01:18:34.000 It's like Ceausescu.

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01:23:00.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:23:03.000 All right, I'm going to go back to your calls.

01:23:19.000 But right now, let's get into Brian Williams.

01:23:22.000 Now listen to how he tries to spin this.

01:23:25.000 The NBC anchor, Williams, says Bush administration has, quote, right to buy media coverage, and Media Matters' media watchdog group is exposing this.

01:23:35.000 And he was on CNN's Reliable Sources, one of the most lying, manipulative shows I've ever seen.

01:23:41.000 Notice, Reliable Sources.

01:23:44.000 That's a semantical deception.

01:23:46.000 Oh, that's the show where I get reliable sources.

01:23:49.000 They're good and liberal, and I'm liberal, and I can trust them.

01:23:53.000 They just use Pentagon satellites, and admittedly, in the Washington Post, they have over a hundred government defense intelligence officers working in there, and many of them are on Government payroll.

01:24:03.000 Now remember, when Williams is talking about this, remember, Armstrong, Williams, and all these other people, they're the tip of the iceberg.

01:24:11.000 The hundreds of reporters you've learned of on Defense Department payrolls, and Justice Department payrolls, and most of the time it's Department of Education, or it's Health and Human Services.

01:24:22.000 I think all kids should be on Ritalin and Prozac, meanwhile they're getting $300,000 a year to say that.

01:24:28.000 And some of these reporters pulled two, three, four paychecks from the government to do this, and it was declassified in 1977 about the hundreds of millions of dollars at that time being spent domestically by the CIA alone.

01:24:42.000 You can buy a lot of reporters for that, boys and girls.

01:24:46.000 And so now they've gotten us to the point where Brian Williams is asked about it, and, well, we do anything we can to win the war, and it's not perfect, but, you know, that's just what we do.

01:24:55.000 Well, wait a minute, Mr. Williams.

01:24:57.000 I thought these are independent media, there's freedom of the press, and these are the very papers you cite and you source as good news, the free press in Iraq.

01:25:05.000 No, there is no free press.

01:25:07.000 You don't print exactly what they want.

01:25:09.000 Shiite, Sunni, it doesn't matter. 1.00

01:25:11.000 They'll come and they'll kill you. 1.00

01:25:13.000 Our loving Baathist government, that our government, our criminal government, our illegitimate government, has put back into power. 0.98

01:25:19.000 So here's Brian Williams.

01:25:22.000 The L.A.

01:25:22.000 Times this week broke the story about the Pentagon planting positive stories, in some cases paying for positive stories in Iraqi newspapers.

01:25:28.000 NBC followed it up, as did about every news organization on the planet.

01:25:32.000 Does that kind of practice trouble you?

01:25:34.000 I think as long as there have been conflicts and media to report on conflicts, the pejorative here is propaganda.

01:25:44.000 I think as long as there's no illegality proven or laws broken, This is in that lovely gray undefined area in American history and culture where the government uses just about every tool at its disposal to win wars.

01:26:03.000 We've just been through a debate about the unseemly way some governments win wars and get information out of people.

01:26:10.000 This is one that takes place almost above board every day.

01:26:14.000 And again, since this takes us into the area of opinion, and that's a line I've always been unwilling to cross.

01:26:21.000 I'll leave it to the journalism professors, the journalists who cover journalism, to make a judgment about propriety vis-a-vis the government.

01:26:28.000 But there are those who say, and you know this as well as anyone, that the Bush administration has mounted an offensive against the press, whether it's making payments to pundits like Armstrong Williams, whether it's politicizing PBS according to an Inspector General's report, whether it's tightly controlling information that people in your organization try to get.

01:26:47.000 Is this something that you worry about?

01:26:51.000 Well, this is all part of... they have the right to do this on their team, I think.

01:26:55.000 But isn't somebody crossing an ethical line?

01:26:57.000 Well, that's up to the individual journalist.

01:27:00.000 And it's up to, you know, an educated consumer as our best customer to quote a New York clothier from years ago.

01:27:06.000 It's still true that we hope Our viewers realize that if it comes out of here again, we have vetted it and reported it.

01:27:16.000 I mean, this is all the individuals involved.

01:27:22.000 People need to judge this administration.

01:27:24.000 And despite any of the constrictions you mentioned that have been put on the news media, We have a free media in this society.

01:27:35.000 That's the end of it.

01:27:36.000 Folks, did you hear him?

01:27:38.000 He even mixed torture in and said this is what we do.

01:27:41.000 He mixed torture in.

01:27:42.000 You know, we pressure people.

01:27:44.000 And then the incredible thing.

01:27:45.000 Oh, they're allowed?

01:27:47.000 The White House is allowed to buy media here domestically?

01:27:50.000 What?

01:27:51.000 The Congressional Budget Office looked at it and said it's patently illegal to covertly go spend in one media buy.

01:27:58.000 One of hundreds we know of.

01:28:01.000 $244,000,000 in one year in 2004.

01:28:09.000 $244,000,000 to put out fake newscasts and buy the airtime nationwide.

01:28:15.000 It was a new news show.

01:28:16.000 Remember, it was all over TV.

01:28:17.000 It was produced by the federal government secretly.

01:28:21.000 Secret fake newscast!

01:28:23.000 Oh yes!

01:28:24.000 They're allowed to pay us off.

01:28:25.000 Brian Williams has already paid off.

01:28:27.000 He's paid off overtly.

01:28:28.000 You know he's paid off?

01:28:29.000 By the Lockheed Martin and by the drug ads and by all the stuff that litters his show.

01:28:34.000 He's overtly paid off there.

01:28:36.000 But I mean it just... I think that man's suspect of other types of payoffs from what I just heard.

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01:32:47.000 Before we go back to the callers, I want to get some of these other audio clips out of the way.

01:32:51.000 Here's one of these little NBC propaganda pieces where they try to imply it's partisan to talk about all the scandals of Republicans Taking money, millions of dollars for diverting hundreds of millions of dollars to defense contractors that don't exist.

01:33:10.000 And I've heard the neocons on the radio defending all this.

01:33:14.000 Oh, that's just what good old boys do when you're patriotic.

01:33:17.000 You sell out the country for $800 million at a pop.

01:33:20.000 So let's go ahead and roll this clip and the next clip.

01:33:24.000 Is Australian TV over here talking to Americans who have no idea where Iran is, who want to attack France, who just literally are totally brain dead.

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01:33:37.000 As Congress finishes out the year there, much of what they do these days is shadowed by a cloud of scandal.

01:33:44.000 There are several major investigations underway, after all, involving alleged wrongdoing.

01:33:49.000 Some of it by some of the most senior members of the House of Representatives.

01:33:53.000 Here is NBC's Chip Reid.

01:33:57.000 As the House came back into session today, its approval rating stood at an abysmal 33%.

01:34:03.000 And the first order of business helped explain why.

01:34:05.000 The clerk reading the resignation letter of Republican Duke Cunningham.

01:34:09.000 Because I have discredited my high office and the party that I love.

01:34:13.000 Last week, Cunningham pleaded guilty to receiving nearly two and a half million dollars in bribes.

01:34:18.000 Just yesterday, it was former Majority Leader Tom DeLay whose troubles were in the headlines.

01:34:23.000 A Texas judge dropping one charge, but refusing to throw out a charge of money laundering.

01:34:28.000 Even more worrisome to some in Congress, the criminal investigation of former Republican super lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

01:34:35.000 One recent report says at least six members of Congress are in the scope of the inquiry, including government sources tell NBC News Ohio Republican Bob Ney, so powerful he's known as the mayor of Capitol Hill.

01:34:46.000 The Republicans believe that they're above the law.

01:34:49.000 Their hubris, their arrogance is something that the American people are paying a price for. 0.83

01:34:54.000 Republicans say nonsense.

01:34:57.000 It's just Democrats playing politics.

01:34:59.000 They made a decision very early on that all they were going to do is attack Republicans based on this issue of Ethics.

01:35:07.000 Congressman Dreyer says neither party is immune to ethical problems.

01:35:10.000 But political analyst James Thurber says the ethical cloud over Republicans is much darker.

01:35:16.000 Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

01:35:19.000 He says it happened to House Democrats in the early 1990s.

01:35:22.000 Years of power led to a series of scandals that contributed to their fall from power.

01:35:27.000 Thurber calls it the Learjet Effect.

01:35:29.000 They start running around on Learchats, going to conferences, and it corrupts them in the sense that they think that they deserve this.

01:35:37.000 With all this going on, the House Ethics Committee is barely functioning due to partisan gridlock, but its members do promise to set aside their differences and get back to work next year.

01:35:47.000 Chip Reid, NBC News, the Capitol.

01:35:50.000 Okay, so you heard Mr. Brian Williams.

01:35:52.000 It's okay for the White House to covertly pay off the media.

01:35:55.000 That's completely normal.

01:35:57.000 No big deal.

01:35:58.000 You heard him earlier.

01:35:59.000 Well, you heard him there.

01:36:00.000 See the little study of NBC today we're doing?

01:36:03.000 And their new little anchor, now that Tom Brokjaw left.

01:36:07.000 And, uh, what did Brian Williams say?

01:36:08.000 He said, allegations!

01:36:10.000 Why, there are allegations!

01:36:12.000 We're going to cover those allegations!

01:36:16.000 The Duke, admittedly, he's pled guilty.

01:36:18.000 He's been convicted.

01:36:21.000 He has resigned.

01:36:23.000 He took two million dollars in exchange for sending eight hundred million dollars to fake companies that didn't even exist. 0.98

01:36:36.000 And now it's connected to $5,000 an hour super whores. 1.00

01:36:41.000 It's connected to male-female whores. 1.00

01:36:43.000 All of it. 1.00

01:36:44.000 Folks, this is what they do. 0.99

01:36:45.000 Male prostitutes at midnight in the wine houses. 0.92

01:36:48.000 Special correspondents in secure areas for the Christian time they have. 0.98

01:36:54.000 I mean, I'm just sick of it, okay?

01:36:57.000 When Bill Clinton was selling out missile secrets and supercomputers, I was pulling my hair out on air Freaking out over it, and now Bush has made all that look passé, and I hear the neocons saying, so what, it's all lies, or so what, it's no big deal.

01:37:09.000 I don't want to hear it anymore.

01:37:12.000 It makes me want to throw up.

01:37:16.000 It makes me sick.

01:37:17.000 It's all a political football, a political distraction.

01:37:20.000 They try to say it's all partisan politics.

01:37:23.000 It may be partisan that Democrats are going after Republicans, but This is only the tip of the iceberg, folks. 0.98

01:37:29.000 All of these people, both these parties, the chairman of these committees, you're not a chairman of one of those committees, folks, unless you are a crook. 0.96

01:37:38.000 You've got to be a mooey hombre criminal to be a chairman of a major committee. 1.00

01:37:43.000 Sure, you can be the chairman of, you know, of the national committee that picks state birds or something, I mean, some little side issue thing, but you're not going to be on a real committee.

01:37:55.000 And what scares me more than anything is, there is a mass looting going on.

01:37:58.000 I'm glad other people are starting to notice this.

01:38:01.000 There's a big article today that's up on InfoWars.com, PrisonPundit.com, where they've done a real analysis, a counterpunch has, of the Greenspan policies.

01:38:10.000 And it has been to loot this country.

01:38:11.000 The new guy coming in, if Greenspan was the betrayer, this new guy is the executioner.

01:38:23.000 And they're just racing ahead.

01:38:25.000 Racing ahead to go to war with Iran.

01:38:27.000 Racing ahead to plunge the economy.

01:38:29.000 Racing ahead.

01:38:31.000 Meanwhile, telling us every day that the economy is wonderful.

01:38:37.000 And let me assure you, I take no pleasure in this because I'm part of this economy too.

01:38:41.000 This economy is not wonderful.

01:38:44.000 The key indicators, the bedrock indices of debt and property and ratios and education and the crime statistics and the family numbers, all these things that I look at to judge a society, they're all in the toilet.

01:38:58.000 They're worse in the toilet.

01:38:59.000 They're in the sewer lines.

01:39:01.000 Already gone down the tubes.

01:39:03.000 Already been flushed.

01:39:04.000 Already been pumped down into the gutter.

01:39:08.000 I'm just not taking it anymore.

01:39:10.000 Bush going after my guns, and Governor Pataki going after gun manufacturers, and if he wins with these suits, it's over.

01:39:15.000 They'll all shut down.

01:39:17.000 Literally.

01:39:18.000 He's trying to sue them out of existence if these Republican governors hit their way going after guns, with these Democrats, if Bush gets his amnesty plan that is being hailed as conservative. 0.60

01:39:30.000 All of this is happening and I have to listen to you calling into talk shows, you're listening right now, I know you are, simpering and lavishing and pomping and loving on Bushy Bushy when he's nothing but a gibbering puppet. 0.97

01:39:45.000 You make me sick! 1.00

01:39:48.000 I mean, you make me so much sicker than the dumb liberals. 1.00

01:39:50.000 I mean, the dumb liberals following Bill Clinton, at least they thought they were doing good. 1.00

01:39:55.000 At least they were buying into some propaganda. 0.99

01:39:57.000 And a lot of them, if you talk to them, you can actually wake them up, I've found.

01:40:01.000 These neocon followers, they are... they are willfully...

01:40:07.000 Well, it's like we said in that little joke piece we did about the real Texas Cowboys from Sheffield, England.

01:40:13.000 You know, don't you dare talk about George Bush who I associate with my daddy.

01:40:16.000 I mean, they really do.

01:40:17.000 It's like George Bush is our God.

01:40:19.000 He's Jesus incarnate.

01:40:20.000 I've actually heard that implied that he's somehow some new disciple or has Christ guiding him.

01:40:25.000 I mean, well, maybe how God guided the Babylonians to take over Israel, but it wasn't because they were good. 0.95

01:40:31.000 Maybe he is guided.

01:40:32.000 The Antichrist is going to be, you know, it's going to be all part of God's will, so I guess in a strict way that might be true, but not in the way you think.

01:40:39.000 It's just, how can this man of sin be right in front of us, and these people willfully cannot see it?

01:40:48.000 Alright, your calls are coming up, but I want to play this last clip here, and this isn't the best audio quality, it's from Australian TV.

01:40:59.000 And this is where one of their newscaster people, the resident comic on their local news is showing how funny it is. 0.95

01:41:06.000 And folks, I tell you, you don't have to do much editing to get people this dumb. 0.95

01:41:12.000 Either people are really informed and know what's going on. 0.98

01:41:14.000 Remember, we were the smartest in the world, the most informed 50 years ago. 0.90

01:41:17.000 Now we're the dumbest in major international studies on our own national test. 0.98

01:41:22.000 They have just dumbed people down past oblivion. 0.99

01:41:25.000 Past oblivion.

01:41:27.000 And I don't think they had to go too far to get this.

01:41:32.000 Because I've done these many years ago for the local TV show, and we would not have to edit anything.

01:41:38.000 Except for cutting out spaces between the interviews. 1.00

01:41:40.000 It's just every person we talked to was completely stupid. 0.99

01:41:44.000 And again, I don't have all the answers, but compared to these people, you my listeners, very high IQ on average. 1.00

01:41:50.000 I mean, I've experienced it.

01:41:52.000 Compared to these people, we are giants.

01:41:55.000 They are like three-year-old children.

01:41:57.000 Now, he's got a map out, and he's saying, who do we need to attack next in America, in the war on terror, and put a flag where Iran is.

01:42:08.000 And for some reason, a whole bunch of people think that Iran is Australian.

01:42:17.000 And then because a couple other people there at the same spot on the street see flags there, they think, okay, that's Iran, so they put their flags there too.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 And Australian TV's a little bit different than ours.

01:42:30.000 Did you cut out the profanity?

01:42:33.000 That is good, good.

01:42:35.000 The Americans also have trouble with their... And I'm not bashing my countrymen, but you need to grow up.

01:42:39.000 And know a little bit more about politics in the world than you know about video games and baseball and how to act cool.

01:42:45.000 And how to put big tires on your truck.

01:42:47.000 And strut around while your kids are being put on Ritalin.

01:42:49.000 Being a man isn't watching baseball.

01:42:51.000 Being a man is making sure your kid doesn't go on Ritalin.

01:42:53.000 Alright, now I'm preaching.

01:42:54.000 I'm sorry.

01:42:54.000 Go ahead and roll this embarrassment.

01:42:57.000 In terms of the war on terror, who do you think should be the next country to invade?

01:43:00.000 Saudi Arabia.

01:43:01.000 Somebody in the Middle East. 0.97

01:43:02.000 We'll make a big glass crater out of the Middle East, for all I care. 1.00

01:43:06.000 I'm thinking Italy.

01:43:08.000 Italy.

01:43:09.000 Cuba.

01:43:10.000 Cuba?

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:11.000 Iran.

01:43:12.000 Iran? 0.79

01:43:12.000 Why's that? 0.79

01:43:13.000 I think there's a revolution going on pretty soon.

01:43:16.000 Russia, China.

01:43:17.000 India and Pakistan.

01:43:18.000 Indonesia, Brazil.

01:43:20.000 Korea.

01:43:21.000 Korea? 0.70

01:43:22.000 Yeah, why do you say that?

01:43:23.000 They're trouble.

01:43:24.000 They're trouble?

01:43:24.000 Yeah, okay.

01:43:25.000 What's trouble about them?

01:43:26.000 It's got a theoretical charm on them.

01:43:28.000 Sri Lanka?

01:43:29.000 Right here.

01:43:30.000 I haven't heard of it.

01:43:34.000 Iran? 0.79

01:43:35.000 Alright, so I put a number one in Iran there?

01:43:39.000 Stop.

01:43:40.000 Stop, stop, stop. 0.99

01:43:41.000 What a worm. 0.97

01:43:44.000 Oh. 0.98

01:43:45.000 There you go.

01:43:46.000 I'm thinking that.

01:43:47.000 Okay.

01:43:47.000 North Korea.

01:43:48.000 North Korea? 0.67

01:43:49.000 Why do you think North Korea?

01:43:50.000 Uh, nuclear.

01:43:51.000 Nuclear?

01:43:52.000 Yeah.

01:43:52.000 Probably France.

01:43:54.000 France?

01:43:55.000 I was up for that.

01:43:55.000 They weren't our ally.

01:43:56.000 What's the number two on France?

01:43:58.000 I'd say France, yeah.

01:44:00.000 Oh no, it just seems to be some friction between France and the United States.

01:44:04.000 Where do you think the best place to invade Iran would be from? 0.54

01:44:06.000 Do you think it would be from the north or the south or the east or the west?

01:44:13.000 You know, it's amazing because I just realized just now that North Korea is a lot larger than South Korea. 0.67

01:44:20.000 I didn't know it was that large like that.

01:44:24.000 And by the way, that last guy is looking at Australia going, look how large North Korea is.

01:44:30.000 Because the map didn't have the names of the countries on it.

01:44:34.000 And I guess out of the 15, 20 people they talked to there, two of them had half decent answers, but they were neocon answers.

01:44:42.000 And I've run into these people.

01:44:43.000 They'll get mad at you.

01:44:44.000 I'll go, OK, you've got your view.

01:44:46.000 Where is this country?

01:44:48.000 I don't need to know. 0.93

01:44:49.000 I know they need to get nuked.

01:44:52.000 But can you tell me their history? 1.00

01:44:53.000 Just shut up, you commie. 1.00

01:44:56.000 Actually, I'm against communism. 1.00

01:44:57.000 Oh, just people like you need to leave this country, boy.

01:45:01.000 And look, people need to know out there listening.

01:45:05.000 That's what they're saying about us all over the world.

01:45:08.000 And they were really smart in England 50 years ago.

01:45:10.000 They were really smart in Australia 50 years ago. 1.00

01:45:12.000 They're a lot stupider now too. 0.99

01:45:14.000 It's just we're taking the lead here. 1.00

01:45:16.000 The pole position.

01:45:20.000 And I've got to go out and do this myself.

01:45:23.000 I keep meaning to because I could go out for 10 hours and just get hundreds of interviews and make a whole video out of it.

01:45:31.000 And then maybe cut to, okay, this is what really is going on.

01:45:34.000 And then maybe try to educate people.

01:45:37.000 That's a good idea for a video.

01:45:40.000 And if I don't make it, maybe one of you out there can make it, and then you can say that it was your idea, and then I stole it from you.

01:45:44.000 But the point is, is that this needs to be done.

01:45:50.000 Let's go ahead and take calls here.

01:45:51.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Richard in Nebraska.

01:45:56.000 Go ahead Richard, thanks for holding.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, I was just listening, and now they're releasing more information about that oil for food scandal.

01:46:06.000 Now they're actually stating that Paul Volcker not just gave Kofi Annan a pass, he'd actually, what you would call when they were wanting to go into more things about Kofi Annan, he'd actually steer people off from doing any further investigations into Kofi Annan and his business.

01:46:34.000 Anything.

01:46:34.000 He'd do anything and everything possible.

01:46:37.000 Paul Volcker, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove member, former Federal Reserve Chairman. 0.98

01:46:47.000 Of course Kofi Annan's a crook. 0.99

01:46:48.000 Of course they're all sucking money off those dead Iraqis. 1.00

01:46:51.000 But our own government was involved at levels that dwarfed that.

01:46:55.000 So the liberals go, well Bush, you were involved.

01:46:57.000 And the conservatives go, well you were involved.

01:47:00.000 I mean, somehow that makes it okay.

01:47:01.000 No, it shows unified corruption.

01:47:04.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 I agree with that entirely.

01:47:09.000 Where is it going to end?

01:47:09.000 Let me ask you this question.

01:47:12.000 That's what scares me.

01:47:13.000 I don't know where it's going to end.

01:47:15.000 That's why I appreciate your videos very much.

01:47:18.000 At least I know there's some sanity around here.

01:47:21.000 Well, that's my question for you.

01:47:22.000 Why do you think they're looting like never before?

01:47:25.000 I mean, it's not just a yearly increase.

01:47:27.000 They're going absolutely wild right now.

01:47:31.000 As much as I think a wild guess for me would be that they are planning Uh, what you would call, uh, govern- what you would call, uh, the more- the most govern- the most governmental control that- I hate to say this over the air, and I'm- just as my own opinion, that almost would seem like, uh, Stalinist Russia, look like a- look like a playground.

01:48:00.000 Well, I hope you're wrong, but that's the official plan, Richard.

01:48:04.000 Thanks for the call.

01:48:04.000 I mean, that's what they say security is.

01:48:07.000 Face scanning to leave your home.

01:48:09.000 Forced drug.

01:48:09.000 Worshipping government.

01:48:11.000 No freedom of speech.

01:48:13.000 Forced labor camps.

01:48:14.000 Total imprisonment.

01:48:15.000 I mean, that's what they're pushing is freedom.

01:48:18.000 Freedom is moving all our industry overseas, having no guns, having super high taxes and regulation.

01:48:23.000 That's conservative now.

01:48:24.000 I mean, it just is.

01:48:27.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Who's up next?

01:48:32.000 Keith and Giorgio, welcome.

01:48:33.000 Hey Alex, Merry Christmas my brother.

01:48:36.000 Hello my friend.

01:48:37.000 Listen, you just said it again.

01:48:38.000 You want people to make movies for you.

01:48:39.000 I know you've been talking about making shorter films.

01:48:42.000 Well, I've made one for you.

01:48:43.000 Specifically for you.

01:48:46.000 Spent quite a bit of time in it.

01:48:47.000 Fortune on software.

01:48:49.000 But it's dealing with World Trade Center explosives.

01:48:52.000 Only that.

01:48:52.000 No missiles.

01:48:53.000 No remote control.

01:48:55.000 To be clear, what I've said is that we're going to let listeners have a video blog from 30 seconds to an hour.

01:49:03.000 If it's good material and you want us to post it, we will be glad to post large portions for free.

01:49:10.000 24 minutes long, it's yours.

01:49:12.000 How do I get it to you?

01:49:13.000 I'm very excited to hear this.

01:49:15.000 You mail it to 3001.

01:49:16.000 Hang on here, let me get a pen.

01:49:17.000 3001.

01:49:17.000 Yes sir, 3001.

01:49:17.000 And that's South Lamar.

01:49:17.000 mail it to 3001. Hang on here, let me get a pen.

01:49:20.000 3001. Yes, sir.

01:49:23.000 3001.

01:49:24.000 And that's South Lamar, L-A-M-A-R, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

01:49:35.000 And put in there a letter saying I can use it and put it on the web and use it.

01:49:39.000 Because if I don't get a letter saying I can use it, I can't use it.

01:49:41.000 I just got some great footage inside of a Masonic temple with pentagrams and everything else.

01:49:47.000 And he did give me permission, so it's going to be on the website.

01:49:49.000 Tell you what, stay there, sir.

01:49:50.000 I'll talk to you on the other side.

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01:53:03.000 My friends, I love this country. 0.94

01:53:05.000 We got a group of criminal parasites taking a wrecking ball to it with fancy PR firms they've hired telling us how great they are. 0.96

01:53:14.000 And I just walked through the facade and looked on the other side with their wrecking ball in the country and I'm going, hey, this isn't good. 0.98

01:53:20.000 Here they are doing it.

01:53:23.000 Now, a lot of people have seen the wrecking ball, but they just go, well, I don't want to have to do anything.

01:53:28.000 I don't want to have to get involved.

01:53:31.000 I don't want to have to do anything about it.

01:53:32.000 It might be dangerous.

01:53:34.000 And then meanwhile, they're just moving the facade down the street, getting close to your house.

01:53:39.000 They're doing all these horrible things to you, but out of sight and out of mind.

01:53:42.000 It's just better to fight them.

01:53:45.000 It's better to stand up and stop associating ourselves with them.

01:53:48.000 Democrats?

01:53:49.000 The Democrats aren't going to save you.

01:53:50.000 Cops?

01:53:51.000 The cops aren't going to save you.

01:53:52.000 It's very corrupt.

01:53:54.000 The churches aren't going to save you, most of them. 0.97

01:53:56.000 They're very corrupt.

01:53:57.000 It's just we've gotten corrupt.

01:53:58.000 We've got to start recognizing corruption.

01:54:01.000 Going back to Keith in Georgia...

01:54:06.000 Yeah, you just write to me at 3001 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

01:54:13.000 And then you send a letter saying that we're authorized to put it on the website and use it.

01:54:17.000 And then we're going to start, we've already started, posting videos and photos that listeners send us, because a lot of it is very, very informative.

01:54:25.000 But go ahead, sir.

01:54:26.000 I'll tell you, it takes a while to get it through to people, Alex, but all my neighbors are now quite aware, my whole family's aware.

01:54:35.000 The word is getting out there.

01:54:37.000 Shockingly, 20 years ago, people would have laughed, but they're accepting it now, and they're seeing it.

01:54:43.000 And my brother, you are doing a fantastic job.

01:54:46.000 Unbelievable.

01:54:47.000 You've helped me so much.

01:54:48.000 Well, you've helped us.

01:54:50.000 Tell us about this little mini-documentary you've made.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, it's called Grave Implications, and what it is, it's nothing but eyewitness testimony.

01:54:58.000 I've got Jeff King, an MIT engineer, in it.

01:55:01.000 Giving you the lowdown of why it couldn't have happened the way they say, and it leaves you with a real funny feeling.

01:55:08.000 I've shown it to a lot of people so far, and they've given me big thumbs up.

01:55:11.000 They said, get it to Alex.

01:55:12.000 So that's what I want to do.

01:55:13.000 What is it?

01:55:14.000 A composite of other films?

01:55:16.000 It's basically a composite of news media clips and important parts like the Jeff King speech, where he goes through the World Trade Center improbable collapse.

01:55:28.000 And then I've got clips again off the internet of buildings being blown up to compare them to the squids coming out of the trade centers. 1.00

01:55:36.000 Everybody who's seen it, even guys I know that are really George Bush fans, are going, whoa!

01:55:43.000 I'm very pleased with it.

01:55:44.000 Now you have the owner saying he blew it up?

01:55:47.000 I mean... Oh yeah, absolutely!

01:55:48.000 You know Larry King's in there.

01:55:50.000 Well, not Larry King.

01:55:51.000 Larry Silverstein.

01:55:52.000 Yes.

01:55:52.000 Same difference.

01:55:53.000 Alright, thank you for the call, sir, and I can't wait to get it.

01:55:55.000 God bless you.

01:55:57.000 Just be sure and tell us what it is and I'll have a letter in there when we get it.

01:55:59.000 Uh, let me just comment on this.

01:56:03.000 For cops listening or people listening and going, oh that's ridiculous, the owner didn't say that.

01:56:07.000 Yes, the owner said we blew up the building, we made the decision to blow up building 7 that day.

01:56:11.000 And that fits with the demolition and how it was done and what happened.

01:56:14.000 We have the clips of it, we played it a million times.

01:56:16.000 It's in my film, Martial Law.

01:56:18.000 In my mini-documentary.

01:56:19.000 Well, it's a three hour film.

01:56:21.000 It's three separate mini-series.

01:56:23.000 Or it's one mini-series, three separate films.

01:56:25.000 There we go, got that out properly.

01:56:27.000 But Jimmy Walters, the Jimmy Walters heir, billionaire basically, Jimmy Walters

01:56:40.000 spent of the five and a half million bucks he spent exposing 9-11 he spent what two and a half mil of it in New York running TV ads on every major TV channel for what was it six months and front page news saying Larry Silverstein blew it up he says he blew it up Larry Silverstein answer for what you've said can you imagine can you imagine somebody running two and a half million dollars worth of ads in your city and then

01:57:10.000 You won't respond.

01:57:11.000 The media and newspapers came to him.

01:57:13.000 He will not respond.

01:57:14.000 He will not.

01:57:14.000 He will not talk about it.

01:57:16.000 Why do you think that is, boys and girls?

01:57:19.000 There's no debating it.

01:57:21.000 He's had a chance to retract.

01:57:22.000 By the way, that's in my film, Martial Law.

01:57:27.000 You need to get it and give it to people and make copies of it.

01:57:29.000 You can get it at InfoWars.com.

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01:57:38.000 Big Brother.

01:57:39.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:39.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:45.000 You want answers?

01:57:48.000 Big Brother Mainstream Media Government Cover-Ups You want answers?

01:57:55.000 Well, so does he He's Alex Jones On the GCN Radio Network And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're into the third and final hour.

01:58:18.000 We have a guest coming up in about eight minutes who survived For almost five years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp, he was captured on December 7th, 1941 at the U.S.

01:58:29.000 Embassy in China.

01:58:31.000 Just an incredible story.

01:58:32.000 Unbelievable.

01:58:33.000 Coming up in a few minutes.

01:58:34.000 Let's keep going to your calls right now.

01:58:36.000 Jeff in Texas.

01:58:37.000 Go ahead, Jeff.

01:58:37.000 You're on the air.

01:58:38.000 Yeah.

01:58:38.000 Hi, Alex.

01:58:39.000 I have an older family member that has a niche estate planning business out in central California.

01:58:45.000 And he trains and consults through this extensive program to train Very wealthy kids to inherit wealth from their parents.

01:58:56.000 And he's written a couple books on this subject.

01:58:59.000 And one of the interesting statistics that he's gleaned from his history of studying estate planning is that wealthy families that build estates to survive their founders only have their wealth survive past up to about the third generation.

01:59:19.000 And when you look at groups like, or families like the Rockefellers or the Schiffs or the Rothschilds that have been around for over half a millennia, how do you account for that just given a secular mindset?

01:59:33.000 There's something not natural going on there.

01:59:36.000 Well, they intermarry with other powerful houses.

01:59:39.000 And how do you, you know, look at the Dutch or British or Saudi royal houses?

01:59:44.000 They just stick together.

01:59:45.000 And it's set up a little bit different.

01:59:47.000 And they're also very mean to their children.

01:59:49.000 They send them to boarding schools. 0.66

01:59:51.000 They have them beat up.

01:59:52.000 Prince Philip routinely had Prince Charles beat up to, quote, keep him tough, and they're consciously aware of that constantly.

01:59:59.000 And so when they go into the military, at least in the past, they would have them beaten severely, and the people who did it would be rewarded.

02:00:05.000 I mean, it's to make them tougher, to keep them from getting just totally decadent.

02:00:11.000 But still, psychologically, with the exercise of power and the vicious predatory streak towards other people, that's actually encouraged.

02:00:20.000 Slothfulness and laying around is not.

02:00:22.000 These elite families work a lot.

02:00:25.000 That explains the symptoms, but can you account for the cause for the secular mind to grasp?

02:00:31.000 Because I can't.

02:00:32.000 To me, it's totally supernatural.

02:00:34.000 Well, no.

02:00:36.000 There's lots of families that people don't lose the wealth.

02:00:40.000 Apple millennia?

02:00:41.000 I mean, it gets diversified.

02:00:43.000 Oh, I'd say a lot of these families' money goes back more than half a millennia.

02:00:47.000 I mean, look, most of our founding fathers came from somewhat elitist families, and they're related to most of the presidents we have today.

02:00:53.000 I mean, those are the circles, and money tends to marry money, and, you know, that's what's really going on.

02:00:59.000 Interesting.

02:01:00.000 Thanks a lot.

02:01:01.000 Thank you for the call.

02:01:02.000 I mean, I think there are these evil families, there are these families that they believe that they are these royal bloodlines, and they are an occultist, and they are into that.

02:01:13.000 So, I think that's where you're going with that, and it's covered in the book.

02:01:15.000 We carry a Codex Magicka.

02:01:17.000 But even more, it's carried in Bloodlines of the Illuminati.

02:01:20.000 You have both those books.

02:01:21.000 Got them at fullwars.com.

02:01:22.000 We get into it a lot as well in my new film, The Order of Death.

02:01:27.000 Let's go ahead and go quickly here.

02:01:29.000 We've got about a minute.

02:01:30.000 Let's go to Will in Georgia.

02:01:32.000 Will, go ahead.

02:01:33.000 Hi, Alex.

02:01:34.000 Long-time listener, first-time caller.

02:01:36.000 About a couple of months ago, I read many essays about Eyes Wide Shut again, because You know, there's the circumstances revolving, you know, Kubrick's death and the questionable, but, uh, things that came up in these, uh, analysis were a thing called Project Monarch, which was like a subset of MKUltra, uh, you know, presidential model, um, essentially sex plays.

02:02:00.000 Very, very real.

02:02:03.000 And, uh, one of the, one of these essays said the reason why Kubrick, you know, that he was killed, Essentially, it was not for, you know, exposing elite practices or whatever, but this thing called, it's like, you know, it ties back to Project Monarch in the sense that he exposed what is quote-unquote the way, like, or the process of something in his movie.

02:02:26.000 And I wonder if you knew anything about that.

02:02:28.000 I know they did cut some stuff out of the movie.

02:02:30.000 I know that he was having a big fight with the studio and others right when it happened.

02:02:34.000 And, uh, Kubrick always told us what was really going on in his movies and what was going to happen.

02:02:39.000 Frankly, we're out of time.

02:02:40.000 We've got a great guest coming up.

02:02:41.000 Stay with us for that, folks.

02:02:42.000 We'll try to get to the other callers that are holding as well.

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02:05:53.000 We're going to take a different route today, as we do every December as we do every December 7th, talking about the tragic events of Pearl Harbor and the Pacific War.

02:06:20.000 Now, I'm no fan of the Japanese doing biological testing on our troops and our government, by the way, not hanging those men and taking them over here to the U.S.

02:06:28.000 and using their science as they did Nazis as well.

02:06:33.000 But I'm also angry about the fact that the evidence is overwhelming.

02:06:35.000 Now they've broken the code.

02:06:36.000 They knew the attack was coming.

02:06:38.000 But at the same time, they basically let the war take place as a Pretext, basically, to make it a full worldwide war.

02:06:51.000 But that's not what we're discussing today.

02:06:53.000 You know, right now, Admiral Kimmel, who got the blame wrongly, Admiral Kimmel's grandson is out at the Pacific War Museum in Vertexburg, Texas giving a speech, a big sanctioned official speech, there at the Pacific War Memorial George H. W. Bush Museum.

02:07:09.000 That's how mainstream the cover of Pearl Harbor has gotten.

02:07:13.000 But that does not exonerate in any way the imperialistic, bloodthirsty activities of the torturing, murdering Imperial Japanese, who were completely and totally out of control. 0.91

02:07:25.000 And our guest was tortured by them.

02:07:28.000 Our guest saw his buddies die at their hands.

02:07:31.000 Our guest just went through absolute hell.

02:07:35.000 He was a young Marine at the time, at a U.S.

02:07:38.000 Embassy in China, and captured.

02:07:41.000 And I was going to get Kim along.

02:07:42.000 I was going to get some other people on.

02:07:44.000 And my friend Kevin Smith, who does his own radio broadcast here locally, said, you know, you ought to get this Terrence S. Kirk on.

02:07:54.000 And talk about his book, The Secret Camera, that was classified until just a few years ago.

02:07:58.000 He couldn't even publish this book.

02:08:00.000 And now he can, and the incredible photos he took with a handmade camera, and yes, folks, this is the ingenuity of our forefathers.

02:08:09.000 Now the average American can't even find Australia on a map, but these folks can make cameras by hand, while slaves. 0.85

02:08:16.000 Just an unbelievable story, and I also wanted to dovetail it with all this torture today.

02:08:21.000 You know, I don't care if it's North Vietnamese torturing our troops, or Joseph Mengele torturing little Jewish kids, or whether it's Japanese torturing our people.

02:08:29.000 Torture is wrong is wrong.

02:08:31.000 It was wrong when they tortured Jesus Christ.

02:08:33.000 And torture is evil.

02:08:34.000 And so we're going to let you hear about torture today, for those of you out there that love torture.

02:08:39.000 But we're about to go to our guest who's just an amazing individual, but we've got here in studio with us Kevin Smith.

02:08:48.000 Kevin, why don't you tell folks a little bit about meeting Mr. Kirk and why you recommended him to the show.

02:08:55.000 I mean, now I've learned his story.

02:08:56.000 It is absolutely amazing.

02:08:58.000 Well, I had met Mr. Kirk a few weeks ago.

02:09:01.000 I was at a gun show and I was walking through the booths and there was a little marine display and an older gentleman sitting there and I took the time to talk to him for a few minutes and I believe his daughter-in-law and I just the pictures are incredible when you look at these pictures and I've seen some Japanese prisoner of war photos before.

02:09:21.000 I have a friend of mine whose great-uncle was one of the 10 Death March survivors and he also had written a book About it, and I also, along with the book I read, I got the unredacted copy that he had submitted.

02:09:34.000 And huge sections of the book were redacted by the U.S.

02:09:37.000 government.

02:09:39.000 And in his take on it, he was angry.

02:09:41.000 He was angry about being left there.

02:09:42.000 He was angry about not fighting and getting into a long retreat.

02:09:47.000 And he got to the Philippines, this friend of mine, great uncle, he got there in November of 41.

02:09:52.000 And by March, April of 42, he was eating his mule.

02:09:57.000 And never fired a shot in an offensive capacity, always on the run.

02:10:01.000 And the Japanese ended up using their food stores, using their ammunition and armament against them. 0.91

02:10:06.000 And he was very angry about it for years.

02:10:08.000 And talking to Sergeant Kirk, I got a little of the same thing.

02:10:12.000 He said, until a few years ago, that I had a gag order on me.

02:10:16.000 And I said, well, why did it run out now?

02:10:18.000 And he said, well, because the people that were responsible are dead now.

02:10:23.000 Now, Mr. Kerkhorst is right at 90 years old, and this is from the website OwlWisePublishing.com, also the website The Secret Camera.

02:10:35.000 I didn't and got something else.

02:10:37.000 TheSecretCamera.com.

02:10:39.000 Someone might fight for the right to have the freedoms that all Americans enjoy, and The Secret Camera is the true story of one young Marine who was held captive for 1,355 days by the Japanese during The Marine Corps training, the word surrender was never mentioned.

02:10:55.000 It wasn't even in the United States Marine Corps vocabulary.

02:10:57.000 The first day of the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the 23 Marines stationed at Xinhuatigong, China, were facing a full company of Japs. 1.00

02:11:09.000 Oops, he used a politically incorrect term there. 0.93

02:11:11.000 He'll be executed. 0.71

02:11:12.000 But there was no fear.

02:11:13.000 We had been taught to do our job.

02:11:15.000 And we're ready for them with 12 machine guns set up to cover all approaches.

02:11:20.000 It had been an Alamo that had killed almost all of them on both sides.

02:11:24.000 We knew we didn't have a chance, but the general feeling was expressed by all of us, we are going to take a hell of a lot of them with us.

02:11:32.000 But they were ordered to surrender when they were surrendered.

02:11:35.000 They were tortured.

02:11:36.000 People were killed in front of them.

02:11:37.000 Just an absolute hell.

02:11:39.000 There were about 32,000 captured.

02:11:41.000 About 12,000 never came back.

02:11:43.000 And we're going to our guest, but again, I want to just say this.

02:11:46.000 Declassified three years ago.

02:11:48.000 In my film, The Masters of Terror.

02:11:51.000 Declassified.

02:11:52.000 Roosevelt.

02:11:53.000 7,400 plus American citizens in the Philippines.

02:11:58.000 And the Marines could evacuate him, and Roosevelt said, no.

02:12:01.000 We're leaving him there, and when the Japanese capture him, it's going to be great propaganda for the newsreels. 0.72

02:12:07.000 So, folks, this just shows you that 4,000-plus were killed or died at the hands of these brutes. 0.89

02:12:14.000 And it's just horrible to see this happen. 0.97

02:12:17.000 And so certainly the Japanese needed to be hated, their government needed to be hated, not the people themselves. 0.98

02:12:22.000 But again, they helped hype this up and even helped make the story even worse to whip up the red haze of hatred here domestically.

02:12:31.000 But we'll see if he agrees with that.

02:12:33.000 Terrence S. Kirk, sir, it's really great to have you on with us.

02:12:37.000 Well, thank you.

02:12:40.000 We've got about six minutes until break.

02:12:41.000 Just tell us about yourself, where you grew up, you got in the Marines quickly, and then get into what happened that day, and then what you went through in these prisoner of war camps.

02:12:51.000 You want me to start now, or am I on the air?

02:12:54.000 You're on the air, sir.

02:12:54.000 Yes, sir.

02:12:55.000 Thank you for holding.

02:12:56.000 To start out with, just imagine freezing rain, winter cold, no food, no shelter, Imagine being sick, injured, with no medicine or care.

02:12:56.000 Okay.

02:13:14.000 Imagine the fear of being abused, tortured, or murdered.

02:13:21.000 Now imagine this every day.

02:13:23.000 The, uh... My name is Terence Sumner Kirk.

02:13:32.000 I was a Master Gunnery Sergeant There were 203 Marines in North China attached to the American Embassy in Peking in 1941.

02:13:44.000 Sixty-five years ago, I was a proud young North China Marine serving as a Legation Guard in Tien Sin, China.

02:13:55.000 On December the 7th, the word came down to Tsinghuan Tower, where I was stationed at the time, that Japan had bombed Pearl Harbor.

02:14:05.000 My barracks was Camp Holcomb, Marine Corps Rifle Range.

02:14:11.000 There were 23 Marines and a garrison of about 40,000 Japanese billeted nearby.

02:14:17.000 All 203 North China Marines were to be sent back to the state on the 10th of December.

02:14:28.000 But, uh, the...

02:14:35.000 So you were three days from being able to get out of there.

02:14:40.000 Right.

02:14:41.000 But we heard about this.

02:14:46.000 Well, you went through it a minute ago.

02:14:48.000 That's what we did.

02:14:50.000 We set up our machine guns.

02:14:52.000 We figured that 4,500 bullets a minute would take a lot of them with us.

02:15:02.000 However, we had a gunnery sergeant officer Gunner Lee, who sent a message to Peking headquarters of 0700.

02:15:10.000 He said we are surrounded, the issue is in doubt.

02:15:15.000 I was ordered by Lieutenant Huizinga, he was our commanding officer, to wait by the radio to get the reply.

02:15:22.000 And when the radio came to life, LeRoe, the operator, scribbled a note and he handed it to me.

02:15:31.000 I glanced at it on the way to the parlay party.

02:15:34.000 What did the Japanese do? 0.96

02:15:38.000 I ran head to the party and Sergeant Bishop with an arm with a sub Thompson machine gun and Corporal Henkel with a blinding automatic and our commanding officer, Lieutenant Huizenga.

02:15:54.000 What did the Japanese do? 0.96

02:15:55.000 I mean, once you opened the gates, what did they do to you?

02:15:58.000 It was out in the open.

02:16:01.000 They came across the field.

02:16:02.000 It was snow, about six inches deep.

02:16:06.000 And our three men were standing there, faced there, on the border of the camp.

02:16:15.000 And when I arrived, I heard the Japanese officer say, Lieutenant, what are your intentions?

02:16:28.000 And so I held the note, giving it to him.

02:16:31.000 I wanted him to have his say.

02:16:33.000 I thought he needed that, er, rated that.

02:16:36.000 And he said, unless I receive orders to the contrary, we are going to stand and fight.

02:16:44.000 Well, when I handed him the note, he looked at it, and I could tell by the expression on his face that that isn't exactly what he had in mind.

02:16:55.000 And, er, so, we Of course, we all know who surrendered in the end, though.

02:17:02.000 Huh?

02:17:03.000 We all know who surrendered in the end, though.

02:17:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:09.000 We always figured that.

02:17:12.000 But at this time, the reason that our Colonel up in Peking He gave this order to comply with demands because the Japanese got to him and told him that we would be considered the embassy staff and would therefore be eligible for repatriation.

02:17:40.000 I tell you what, stay there, sir.

02:17:42.000 We'll be right back after a quick break and continue.

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02:21:45.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.

02:21:52.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:21:55.000 We're talking to Terrence S. Kirk, and he is the author of The Secret Camera.

02:22:14.000 We're going to get to that, how he built his own little camera.

02:22:17.000 Just unbelievable, took these incredible photos.

02:22:19.000 We have links to his websites where you can see the photos at Infowars.com and presentplanet.com right now.

02:22:26.000 We'll tell you about the book, too, before he leaves us here in about 40 minutes.

02:22:33.000 Just accelerating through, because this is a short segment right now, describe once they first clapped you in irons, or where you were taken, what happened, when the torture and abuse began, what your captivity was like, because I've seen the photos, you guys look like Nazi concentration camp victims.

02:22:50.000 Yeah, well, that was the Pacific Holocaust. 0.82

02:22:56.000 The...

02:22:57.000 I'm trying to get oriented here.

02:23:04.000 At the time we were captured, it was 40 degrees below zero.

02:23:08.000 And we were taken to Tien Sin.

02:23:14.000 And they brought the Marines from Peking down to join us.

02:23:23.000 And that was about, there were 203 of us.

02:23:27.000 And then they stuffed us into little boxcars, and the temperature was 40 degrees below zero.

02:23:35.000 And there was no heat or anything like that, but it's lucky that there was enough.

02:23:40.000 There was 40 men in each one of those little cars, and so the body heat kept them from freezing to death.

02:23:47.000 And on the way down there, they stopped, and it took us two and a half days.

02:23:53.000 They stopped one time and gave us a little can of vegetables, the emaciated-looking vegetables packed in water, and there was no way to open them, so I put mine in my pocket.

02:24:09.000 Now, I never did eat it because the rest of the people that tried it says it might as well drink water.

02:24:16.000 Then they were afraid of it.

02:24:18.000 We got to Wusong.

02:24:23.000 It was right in the middle of a swamp.

02:24:27.000 Of course, it was all frozen over at that time.

02:24:30.000 But it had potential.

02:24:33.000 I figured that when the weather gets warm, we're going to have a real epidemic of malaria.

02:24:38.000 Because that's exactly what happened.

02:24:42.000 Where did you stay mainly for the duration of the war?

02:24:44.000 Did they move you all around?

02:24:45.000 They moved me around.

02:24:47.000 I stayed in Wusong.

02:24:49.000 There I got sick and almost died.

02:24:52.000 And because of There's no medication.

02:24:57.000 You were on your own.

02:24:59.000 You had to fight it out yourself.

02:25:01.000 Well, I managed to survive.

02:25:03.000 You have a lot of descriptions of being tortured mentally, physically, psychologically.

02:25:08.000 Can you go over that for us?

02:25:10.000 Well, you gotta try to put yourself in that same mind frame as the Japanese. 0.96

02:25:18.000 They had the Bushido Code. 0.70

02:25:21.000 And to surrender, It was the worst thing they could do.

02:25:28.000 You disgrace your family, and the nation, and the Emperor.

02:25:34.000 So, we, they looked down on us because we didn't have their code, and they didn't know anything about following orders. 0.98

02:25:46.000 If a Japanese heard any of their officers talking about surrender, It was not only his right, but his duty to kill him. 0.99

02:25:56.000 So we have a different type army.

02:26:01.000 When we get given an order, we carry it out.

02:26:06.000 That's why when they put the gag order on us, when the war ended, as far as the American people are concerned, they didn't even know there was any Japanese prisoners of war.

02:26:21.000 Oh yeah, 20 plus thousand in the European theater.

02:26:24.000 They just let Uncle Joe have them.

02:26:26.000 Good old Uncle Joe, our friend.

02:26:28.000 But specifically, I mean, the beatings, the torture.

02:26:30.000 Can you go over that for us?

02:26:32.000 Well, I can give you a specific case.

02:26:37.000 One of the things that they did every day, or once a month when we had a day off, they'd have a shakedown to see if they could find contraband.

02:26:47.000 Contraband in their mind was food.

02:26:50.000 If you didn't, if you had any food other than what came out of the galley, that was contraband.

02:26:56.000 And you got a beating for it.

02:26:58.000 Well one day, every so often, they would pull the kids out of rank coming back from work, and they'd find some, uh, soybeans.

02:27:09.000 That's the only thing that we could get from the, uh, Koreans. 1.00

02:27:13.000 They're trading our clothes away.

02:27:16.000 And, uh, they would beat the kids. 0.99

02:27:20.000 Until they knock him down and then they kick him in the stomach. 0.98

02:27:24.000 Stay there, sir. 0.99

02:27:26.000 We'll be right back.

02:27:28.000 Just an amazing story.

02:27:30.000 And I want to get through this little camera you built.

02:27:32.000 It's just even more incredible.

02:27:34.000 We'll be right back.

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02:30:45.000 Welcome back, folks.

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02:31:21.000 We've switched back over to that and the Internet at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

02:31:28.000 And our guest is an amazing individual.

02:31:30.000 He was, of course, as you heard, a sergeant at the time of December 7th.

02:31:33.000 He was captured, I guess, among the group, the elite group who were in captivity, the longest in that war with the Japanese.

02:31:42.000 Terrence S. Kirk, of course, is his name.

02:31:44.000 And the book is The Secret Camera.

02:31:46.000 We're going to get into that.

02:31:47.000 We've got about...

02:31:49.000 Twenty-five minutes left with him.

02:31:51.000 Sir, my friend, before we get back into how you were tortured and beat up and things you went through, my friend Kevin Smith had a question for you.

02:31:57.000 Yes?

02:31:58.000 Yes, Sergeant Kirk.

02:32:00.000 As I spoke about earlier, I had a friend whose great-uncle had gone through the Bataan Death March.

02:32:05.000 When he went into the military, he weighed 175 pounds.

02:32:07.000 When the Rangers rescued him, In the Philippines, he weighed 75 pounds.

02:32:15.000 I've seen the pictures of you when you were a younger man.

02:32:17.000 You have a serious intensity in your eye.

02:32:20.000 You look like you were wired pretty hard.

02:32:24.000 What kind of physical specimen were you when you went into the Marines?

02:32:28.000 Well, I weighed 165 pounds.

02:32:28.000 I was all muscle.

02:32:29.000 I weighed 365 pounds, and I was all muscle.

02:32:33.000 And when the war ended, I weighed 85 pounds.

02:32:37.000 And that's the reason I took the pictures, because I was in the same boat as all these kids that were dying.

02:32:46.000 And I knew that there was no way that anybody could know how they died because they cremated them as fast as they died.

02:32:56.000 And you couldn't look in those little crocks of ashes and to know anything.

02:33:01.000 So I decided I would take a picture and show what the I know the North Vietnamese really enjoyed beating up Americans because Africans and Anglo-Americans were so much bigger than them. 1.00

02:33:16.000 Did the Japanese just hate Westerners, period?

02:33:20.000 Were they jealous of the larger physiques? 0.91

02:33:22.000 Were they enjoying enslaving you and dehumanizing you?

02:33:25.000 I mean, can you describe?

02:33:27.000 You were talking about how they beat people up.

02:33:29.000 Please continue.

02:33:30.000 Tell us about some of the things that happened.

02:33:32.000 Well, this is what I was trying to get to.

02:33:37.000 I don't know.

02:33:37.000 This little kid they pulled out of ranks because they found he had a little bag of beans.

02:33:45.000 And they pulled him out and started beating on him.

02:33:51.000 And Max knew she was a big Marine.

02:33:53.000 He stepped out and said, those are my beans.

02:33:56.000 And so they stopped beating on the kid and they started beating on him because he was a big man.

02:34:03.000 And they beat him around the head with a rifle bus, hit him in the chest, broke some ribs.

02:34:10.000 And that wasn't enough for him.

02:34:13.000 They made him stand in a cistern of ice water until dark and he caught pneumonia and died two days later because there was no medication at all.

02:34:28.000 So that's just a matter of fact when I was in Wusong I was Not only did I witness it, but the kid died in my arms.

02:34:41.000 The Japanese soldier told him to something like dinky, he didn't know what he was talking about.

02:34:47.000 He put out his arms like, I don't understand, and he shot him.

02:34:53.000 And I ran to him, but they had hit him in the jugular vein and he just bled right out and died in my hands.

02:35:04.000 Well, that's amazing.

02:35:05.000 I wonder why the government didn't want any of this coming out.

02:35:07.000 Well, uh, they didn't want any of it to come out.

02:35:11.000 I think they were trying to hide, uh, Unit 731.

02:35:15.000 Because they are... Oh, that's exactly what Colonel Greg Roberts said, wrote a book about this, is they were doing the biological testing, and then, yeah, they let all those, uh, Japanese killers go, and so they could get all those biological, uh, results needed to cover that up. 0.74

02:35:33.000 Yeah, I think this is what they were doing.

02:35:36.000 It's only my opinion, but I can't think of any reason why they would shut us up.

02:35:42.000 Because there was some in our group that were still in that unit, and just they hadn't gotten to them with the knives yet.

02:35:50.000 And they didn't want anybody to know about it, I guess.

02:35:55.000 Did you talk to people that were in that unit, 731, and had the biological testing done on them?

02:35:59.000 Yeah, I talked to one guy.

02:36:01.000 And he said it was really scary.

02:36:03.000 What did he tell you about that unit, sir?

02:36:06.000 Huh?

02:36:07.000 What did he tell you about that unit?

02:36:12.000 They would inject the kids with some kind of a biological or disease.

02:36:21.000 I guess that's the same thing.

02:36:23.000 And then they cut them open while they're alive.

02:36:26.000 To see how the thing is progressing in their innards.

02:36:29.000 Of course, their attitude was you weren't human because you'd surrender.

02:36:32.000 The Nazis said the people they were torturing weren't human.

02:36:35.000 What do you think about our own government today torturing people?

02:36:38.000 And it's been admitted many of them are totally innocent.

02:36:40.000 Families picked up in checkpoints in Iraq getting some similar treatment at Abu Ghraib, sir.

02:36:45.000 What do you think about that?

02:36:46.000 Well, uh... All I can say is what happened to us, we got back to the states.

02:36:54.000 We didn't exist.

02:36:56.000 And it was until 1970s before I got any information from the VA to come on in if I had any of the nine dread diseases they had listed.

02:37:10.000 I'd had eight of them.

02:37:11.000 But it didn't turn out that way.

02:37:13.000 It was 11 years of fighting.

02:37:15.000 It was a paper war. 0.60

02:37:16.000 So they didn't even want to, as an admitted veteran, they didn't want to give you any health care.

02:37:20.000 This is a really friendly government.

02:37:22.000 Isn't that something?

02:37:23.000 Well, that's my point, sir.

02:37:24.000 We know for a fact 23,000 American soldiers and Uncle Joe got, sweetheart he was, out of Nazi camps, the prisoner of war camps.

02:37:35.000 Just Stalin wanted them and our government just said, sure, take them, go ahead.

02:37:39.000 I mean, I just want to point out, this is not our government and having fealty to it is not fealty to America.

02:37:45.000 We've got to get our government back.

02:37:46.000 I mean, who are these bureaucrats that can write you off and write off so many other people?

02:37:51.000 Well, I think much of it is back there.

02:37:53.000 Twenty-five, twenty-six thousand POWs in the Pacific.

02:38:01.000 And I'll tell you, all of these, they were not just ordinary men.

02:38:09.000 They were a physical fit when they joined the military, flower of American youth.

02:38:17.000 And when they were dying here toward the end of the war, when I was decided to take picture I'd like to go through, sir, how you got transferred to Japan.

02:38:28.000 without a whimper is the mark of a man. - Well, I'd like to go through, sir, how you got transferred to Japan, you were working as slave labor.

02:38:40.000 I wanna go through how you actually built a camera out of nothing.

02:38:46.000 And I've read about being able to do this.

02:38:47.000 I think my dad talked about it when he was a kid.

02:38:49.000 He built primitive cameras.

02:38:51.000 But this is what Americans used to be like, folks, just building cameras out of nothing. 0.85

02:38:55.000 And then you took these incredibly amazing black and white photos that you took.

02:39:00.000 And then I want to go through when the bombs got dropped on Japan and when you finally learned of it while still in captivity.

02:39:07.000 Tell us about that.

02:39:09.000 Well, uh, the way you make a camera is just a piece of cardboard, two boxes.

02:39:16.000 One slides into the other so it's light tight and you put the plate on one end and the pinhole at the other end.

02:39:24.000 And you have a piece of tape over the pinhole to act as a shutter.

02:39:30.000 And you just pull the tape off and you count.

02:39:33.000 In my case, the film, the plates that I had, Required only 10 seconds and they came out perfect.

02:39:41.000 But I didn't know really what to give them.

02:39:44.000 I just started counting.

02:39:46.000 I got to 10.

02:39:48.000 I put the cap back on it again.

02:39:52.000 So I guess it must have been a divine intervention or something that hadn't come out like they did.

02:39:59.000 Well, they're haunting photos.

02:40:00.000 We've got some of them up on Infowars.com right now.

02:40:02.000 People can link over and see all of them.

02:40:04.000 Tell us, sir, specifically how you got the film, how you made the film, how you made it work.

02:40:08.000 Well, I had a Japanese interpreter there.

02:40:11.000 He was an American.

02:40:12.000 He was born and raised in San Francisco.

02:40:15.000 And they had duped him into coming to Japan, telling him that his grandmother was dying and that she wanted to see her grandson from America.

02:40:26.000 And so, They sent the money and he said, why not?

02:40:29.000 I'll go see the land of my ancestors.

02:40:31.000 And he got over here and they said, you are in the Japanese Imperial Army.

02:40:36.000 And so he was really still an American?

02:40:39.000 He was an American, yes.

02:40:40.000 And I persuaded him to get me the plates for my camera.

02:40:49.000 And he finally did it.

02:40:50.000 He got them.

02:40:52.000 But he didn't take them into camp.

02:40:54.000 I had to do that.

02:40:56.000 But how did you get the chemical?

02:40:57.000 How did you make them?

02:40:59.000 Oh, wait a minute.

02:40:59.000 He did it.

02:41:00.000 He took the plates after I exposed them and went out and had them developed and gave me five prints of each plate.

02:41:12.000 Those are the ones that I gave to the Army, the Navy, and the FBI when I came through Yokohama.

02:41:20.000 Did those disappear?

02:41:21.000 They went into the can, I guess.

02:41:25.000 And I also had two more and I gave one to the doctor who was the one that set up all the kids to come out and get their picture taken.

02:41:36.000 And they all volunteered to do it because we explained to them if the Japanese find out about this there's going to be a mass execution. 0.93

02:41:45.000 But they... How did you ever end up getting the pictures back then?

02:41:50.000 How did you end up getting the pictures from the Japanese photographer?

02:41:54.000 I mean, the Japanese man that got you the film?

02:41:57.000 Yeah, he brought them to me.

02:42:01.000 I worked out in a scrap iron pile.

02:42:04.000 And he used to go around and see the troops.

02:42:09.000 But I mean, if the FBI took your pictures, where did the other... I mean, how did you then... Where did you get the photos you have today?

02:42:17.000 Oh, I had a set, and I also gave a set to the Dr. Markowitz, and Dr. Markowitz had them, they were in the war crimes trials, and, uh, and, uh, they asked him who took the pictures, and he didn't, said he didn't know, but, uh, uh, Linda Holmes, she's the one that wrote the book about the slaves.

02:42:44.000 Well, you were smart to take those pictures.

02:42:47.000 Kevin's got a question, sir.

02:42:49.000 Kevin?

02:42:50.000 Yes, Sergeant Kirk.

02:42:54.000 Describe the intensity in your eye that I saw.

02:42:58.000 Of the roughly 200 or so soldiers that were surrendered with you, how many survived the war?

02:43:04.000 Well, I can say There was 12,000 that didn't, but in our camp, we had 43.

02:43:15.000 They moved us from Iwata to Kokura.

02:43:20.000 There were 1,200 men, and when the war ended, about a year and a half later, we had 767 men.

02:43:26.000 That was about 38%, which was average for every camp.

02:43:32.000 Yeah, the number I've got is 40% morbidity.

02:43:35.000 The number I've got for American and British prisoners of war in Japanese hands is 40% died.

02:43:41.000 You're saying the number is 38?

02:43:47.000 Well, that's close, yeah.

02:43:49.000 They had no use for us.

02:43:51.000 And as a matter of fact, they declared, when Commodore Perry took the Black Fleet into Yokosuka, Tokyo, And ran out his guns and made them sign to open up all of their ports to world trade.

02:44:09.000 That we were forever the enemy of Japan.

02:44:17.000 And they haven't forgotten it.

02:44:18.000 Well I know that a lot of Japanese, I've talked to a lot of friends that have been over there, and we have a lot of Japanese listeners.

02:44:22.000 Obviously there's like the Japanese fellow that helped you who was in America.

02:44:24.000 There's a lot of good Japanese, but there certainly is a large percentage, especially in power, that hate America. 0.84

02:44:31.000 And of course they've found out that the globalists are smarter than that.

02:44:34.000 They've used China's leverage against them as usual. 0.70

02:44:37.000 And they absolutely hate this country, and economically they do want to hurt us.

02:44:42.000 That really is the truth, and they still do have that grudge.

02:44:46.000 And then people get all politically correct and say, don't even use the word Jap.

02:44:50.000 I mean, Jap's just an abbreviation of Japanese.

02:44:52.000 It's like saying an American instead of somebody from the United States of America.

02:44:56.000 So they try to make everything politically correct.

02:45:00.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 So you don't have to be apologizing, sir.

02:45:02.000 You're 90 years old, you were tortured for 5 years by these people.

02:45:05.000 It doesn't indict the entire Japanese people, but you're right. 0.88

02:45:07.000 They did say that.

02:45:09.000 Yeah, but even the President said call them Japs.

02:45:12.000 I figured if he can do it, nobody's going to call him a racist.

02:45:15.000 Well, that's political correctness, sir.

02:45:17.000 There's real racism and then there's saying that everything is racism.

02:45:20.000 I mean, to say JAP is is just the abbreviation of the name.

02:45:24.000 Of course, now it's got racist connotations because they say it does, but that's just Orwellian police state.

02:45:29.000 Tell us about the A-bombs, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were dropped.

02:45:34.000 Well, the day before the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, it was due to hit us.

02:45:43.000 There were 900,000 Japanese because the Army and the Marines had just taken Okinawa and they were preparing to repel all our troops that were going to land. 1.00

02:45:56.000 So there were 900,000 there and it was an arsenal where all their heavy guns and etc.

02:46:02.000 were kept.

02:46:04.000 So it was a prime target for the second atomic bomb.

02:46:10.000 But the day before we had a horrendous air raid And everything that burned was on fire and the air was full of ashes and soot and all kinds of greed that a 500 pound bomb could make.

02:46:27.000 Were you guys happy when that was happening?

02:46:29.000 Oh, and it's mixed emotion, you know?

02:46:33.000 Glad to see them and I hoped they'd go away.

02:46:37.000 Because they were really tearing the place up anyway.

02:46:41.000 With all that smoke and debris, it blew out to sea, and the next morning, at 0600, the target, according to the records, said it was clear.

02:46:55.000 And they were, the boxcar, the one that carried the Batman, that was the bomb?

02:47:03.000 He was ordered not to bomb by radar.

02:47:03.000 Yes, sir.

02:47:09.000 It had to be a visual target.

02:47:12.000 Well all that smoke and stuff had blown over the target.

02:47:16.000 So that saved you.

02:47:17.000 So how did the Japanese start behaving? 1.00

02:47:19.000 Because it was a while before you learned after the bombings that this had happened.

02:47:23.000 How did they start behaving after the bomb had been dropped?

02:47:25.000 But you didn't know.

02:47:26.000 Did you see a change in their behavior?

02:47:29.000 No, we didn't know what was going on.

02:47:30.000 No, I didn't.

02:47:32.000 They were just as mean all the time.

02:47:37.000 What did they call you?

02:47:40.000 Fugio.

02:47:41.000 Whatever that is, it's a prisoner.

02:47:46.000 Maybe some derogatory meaning, I don't know what it means.

02:47:49.000 Yeah, we can't say on air.

02:47:52.000 So, when did you finally learn that the A-bombs had been dropped? 0.72

02:47:55.000 You told me that a U.S.

02:47:57.000 plane flew over and dropped a monkey wrench with a note on it to you?

02:48:01.000 Yeah, it said, you're lucky, you missed the bomb.

02:48:06.000 Indicating that the Fat Man was supposed to hit us.

02:48:11.000 We didn't get it.

02:48:13.000 Was that in English or was that in Japanese?

02:48:16.000 What?

02:48:17.000 The note.

02:48:18.000 Was the note dead for you?

02:48:19.000 Yeah, it was.

02:48:21.000 It was dropped on our camp.

02:48:23.000 So they knew it was a prisoner of war camp?

02:48:24.000 When they found out where we were.

02:48:26.000 Now, gotcha.

02:48:27.000 Stay there, sir.

02:48:27.000 Final segment coming up.

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02:51:56.000 He is the author of The Secret Camera.

02:51:58.000 Folks, you've got to get this book.

02:52:01.000 We've got a link to it up on InfoWars.com where you can get the book there on the website.

02:52:04.000 But Kevin's met you in person, which I'm envious of.

02:52:07.000 Kevin, go ahead and ask your question.

02:52:09.000 Yeah, speaking of Mr. Kirk, when we had a little more time, he discussed with me that they didn't even have enough clothes to go around for everyone, and when they went out on these work details and, you know, sub-freezing temperatures, they'd have to gather up clothes for the people going outside, and you'd stay back in the barracks naked.

02:52:26.000 Obviously, what you were doing, Sergeant Kirk, if you'd been caught with that camera, you surely would have been killed.

02:52:33.000 And I just, my hat's off to you, I salute you, You know, for the courage you displayed, because in this society we live in now, we're afraid.

02:52:40.000 We're taught to be afraid of everything.

02:52:43.000 And I just wanted, again, to salute you and just ask you this basic question.

02:52:47.000 What made the difference?

02:52:48.000 How come you survived where someone else next to you didn't?

02:52:53.000 There's that question, and then how many of you were U.S.

02:52:57.000 prisoners of the Japanese?

02:52:58.000 How many of you are still alive, sir?

02:53:01.000 From our place, we've got 27 out of 203.

02:53:07.000 But the ones that stayed alive are the ones that said, I'm not going to die.

02:53:11.000 It's a matter of will.

02:53:13.000 A lot of them just laid down and died.

02:53:16.000 But the thing that I, two things that bother me about this war is the media talks about Pearl Harbor being a victory.

02:53:25.000 How can a stab in the back be a victory?

02:53:29.000 And the attrition is what the Japanese did after the Battle of Midway. 0.91

02:53:36.000 When they knew they lost the war, it wasn't attrition, it was out-and-out fanatic murderers trying to kill Americans.

02:53:49.000 That was the main thing they wanted to do.

02:53:51.000 That's why they set it up on Iwo Jima and killed 6,000 of our boys. 0.93

02:53:57.000 Just because they wanted to kill us. 0.95

02:54:00.000 Because they hate our guts. 0.97

02:54:03.000 They have then, and they still do.

02:54:05.000 I don't care what anybody says.

02:54:06.000 Well, you're talking about the leadership of Japan, or do you think all the Japanese?

02:54:10.000 Well, I guess it'd be the leadership, because what do these Japanese people know? 1.00

02:54:20.000 Nobody ever told them there was a war.

02:54:23.000 Well, yeah, they did have a caste society, pretty much enslaved. 0.96

02:54:28.000 It's just amazing.

02:54:30.000 Well, I want to thank you for coming on and folks can get the secret camera from the website thesecretcamera.com or link through at infowars.com and I would imagine it's on amazon.com and other places.

02:54:43.000 Thank you for having me.

02:54:43.000 I hope to talk to you again in the future, sir.

02:54:45.000 It's always great to talk to somebody who's lived through so much history.

02:54:49.000 I want to get you back on to talk about the chemical and biological testing that happened to some of the troops you knew, because that needs to be on the record from eyewitnesses.

02:54:57.000 Thank you for coming on with us.

02:54:59.000 All right.

02:54:59.000 Thank you for having me.

02:55:01.000 You bet.

02:55:01.000 God bless you.

02:55:02.000 And my best to all the listeners.

02:55:05.000 We appreciate you, sir.

02:55:08.000 Best to you.

02:55:08.000 God bless.

02:55:09.000 Take care.

02:55:10.000 God bless you.

02:55:10.000 All right.

02:55:11.000 There goes our guest.

02:55:12.000 We're always talking about how our government staged it and how they sucked the Japanese in and how we were attacking them in China. 0.98

02:55:20.000 And it's all true.

02:55:22.000 But again, it's not a bipolar thing of where this side's good, that side's bad. 0.87

02:55:27.000 These governments are evil.

02:55:28.000 The Founding Fathers told you that.

02:55:30.000 And look, I didn't know our guests would talk about this, how they left them, how they wouldn't take care of them, how they wouldn't give them medical care.

02:55:35.000 It's always the same.

02:55:37.000 I mean, it's just... It's the truth!

02:55:41.000 And we're not taking care of our troops this time with your little neocon war.

02:55:44.000 It's not like something entertaining to sit at home and watch Iraq Desert Storm 2 like it's a football game.

02:55:51.000 This is people's lives you're talking about.

02:55:52.000 I hope you'll visit InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv.

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02:56:10.000 Kevin, thanks for coming on with us.

02:56:12.000 No problem, Alex.

02:56:13.000 Appreciate it.

02:56:13.000 You bet.

02:56:14.000 Thanks for recommending that guest.

02:56:15.000 That was very educational.

02:56:18.000 Extremely informative.

02:56:19.000 Alright, again, you guys have a great evening.

02:56:22.000 We'll see you back tomorrow.

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