Alex Jones Show - 20051220_Tue_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 A lot of times I end up missing the forest for the trees.

00:00:33.000 Thank you.

00:00:35.000 Thank you.

00:00:37.000 I was tuned into the Genesis Network yesterday listening to Jack Blood driving back to my house from the office and he was talking about, hey good things are happening.

00:00:45.000 When will we ever hear mainstream media talking about King George and is he a dictator?

00:00:52.000 And Bush having to get up on TV and say, I'm not a dictator.

00:00:58.000 And, you know, is the glass half-empty or half-full?

00:01:04.000 Yes, it's bad for Lord Bush, and yes, it's bad for the establishment at certain levels to have to come out and admit they're setting up martial law and admit that our government's becoming dictatorial.

00:01:16.000 But at the same time, I think that it's just a coming out.

00:01:20.000 It's a in-your-face.

00:01:21.000 It's a mass conditioning so that we'll accept all of this.

00:01:25.000 In fact, if you believe the polls, Bush has gone from around 30 percentage points up to 44 to 47, depending on which of the national polls.

00:01:36.000 Now, that's because the average dumbed-down individual out there likes to hear some high and mighty person telling them how they're going to keep them safe.

00:01:46.000 And I don't doubt that those polls are somewhat accurate. 0.98

00:01:49.000 I believe they're inflated about five percent, but regardless, I mean, we have a general population in this country that does not know the basic geography, the basic history of even their local county or city or state or nation, who literally have no grasp of rudimentary basic principles That low-grade morons should have no problem grasping. 0.96

00:02:14.000 And I don't say that again as an elitist or in a sarnonic way. 0.96

00:02:17.000 It scares the living daylights out of me.

00:02:20.000 But it's not taught.

00:02:21.000 It's not discussed.

00:02:24.000 The only place it's taught is in high-level political science, Ph.D.

00:02:27.000 level.

00:02:27.000 And then it's all how to control populations.

00:02:30.000 It's, yes, here's this knowledge.

00:02:31.000 Let's use it to enslave them. 1.00

00:02:34.000 It is not, here, let's propagate this knowledge.

00:02:37.000 We have the official documents going back a hundred years ago where the elite talked about the American people read too much.

00:02:42.000 They're too smart.

00:02:43.000 They're the smartest in the world. 0.99

00:02:45.000 Dumb them down.

00:02:45.000 Buy off the local schools and colleges.

00:02:48.000 Pay off all the chairs in the universities.

00:02:50.000 That is, the departments.

00:02:54.000 And they did it. 0.82

00:02:55.000 And now we've gone from the smartest 55 years ago to the dumbest in every datum you can imagine, in every strata, in every testing, every way to test. 1.00

00:03:07.000 We are the stupidest idiots ever. 0.99

00:03:12.000 And so when Bush gets up in these three speeches of the last four days and announces that he is King Caesar, as his Attorney General has already announced he is on national television and in memos back when he was Chief Counsel to the White House, when they do this, we really can see through the glass darkly, clearly, what's happening. 1.00

00:03:38.000 But the general public has no idea.

00:03:40.000 They're being bathed in.

00:03:42.000 The military is going to be on the streets.

00:03:44.000 These Viper teams are going to be on the streets.

00:03:47.000 And then, oh, we're going to outlaw the illegal aliens. 0.99

00:03:50.000 How does that sound? 0.52

00:03:51.000 We're going to arrest all of them.

00:03:52.000 And they tell all the locals that.

00:03:53.000 And I got family that are cops.

00:03:55.000 And they're all dancing around.

00:03:57.000 Oh, we're going to get the illegal aliens. 1.00

00:03:58.000 And I go, have you read the legislation, you buffoon? 0.99

00:04:02.000 If the illegals don't come register themselves, into the system and become instantly legalized, then you can put them in a private prison for slave labor. 0.98

00:04:12.000 And believe me, that's what they're openly saying they're going to do.

00:04:14.000 So yeah, they'll be happy hunting on a few areas, a few of the different areas of the illegal aliens.

00:04:21.000 That'll be a very small group that'll be paraded around on TV, and then there'll be total legalization of everyone else.

00:04:28.000 And people just cannot get this.

00:04:30.000 It's in the bill.

00:04:32.000 A ten-year-old should be able to decipher this.

00:04:35.000 And there's all this talk about Commander-in-Chief.

00:04:37.000 What is Commander-in-Chief?

00:04:39.000 I mean, I hear people on the streets going, we can't question him.

00:04:41.000 He's Commander-in-Chief.

00:04:43.000 Have you read... Have you read the U.S.

00:04:48.000 Constitution?

00:04:49.000 Have you read the articles that explain that?

00:04:51.000 We will go to the founding document.

00:04:53.000 When we get back, we will actually read what the manual says.

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00:07:04.000 Wake up and smell the fascism.

00:07:06.000 Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.

00:07:09.000 What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?

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00:08:06.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:08:08.000 I've known about it for a couple of weeks and never even discussed it on air.

00:08:16.000 There's so many stories that get stuck in the pile and never get covered.

00:08:21.000 And that is that the Texas Supreme Court, a few weeks ago, ruled that the property tax is unconstitutional and unlawful and is an unjust usurpation.

00:08:33.000 Which it clearly is.

00:08:34.000 I mean, if you don't own your property, you're not in a free society.

00:08:38.000 And if you've got to pay a yearly rent, I mean, I've got like a $110,000 house, and the property tax is like $1,200 a year.

00:08:43.000 I mean, that's ridiculous.

00:08:50.000 Can you imagine these people that have got 500,000 million dollar houses?

00:08:54.000 But again, side issue, that's the kind of stuff I will cover today.

00:08:59.000 Glenn Spencer from AmericanPatrol.com, one of the preeminent watchdog groups out there tracking the Washington orchestrated illegal alien invasion, will join us to analyze this new bill.

00:09:14.000 And they passed it last Friday in the House, and it's steaming on now to the Senate.

00:09:21.000 And, uh, the bill is a total, complete, blanket amnesty of all illegal aliens.

00:09:27.000 For six years, it's the same old plan Bush introduced five years ago, the same one he introduced two years ago, the same one he introduced this year.

00:09:34.000 And, uh, the Democrats put up a fake fight.

00:09:38.000 They do this all the time.

00:09:39.000 They'll come out and, we're absolutely against the REAL ID Act.

00:09:44.000 It's a national ID card.

00:09:46.000 And then they outvoted Republicans in the Senate and the House.

00:09:49.000 They almost outvoted the Republicans.

00:09:52.000 And they'll come out and say, we're absolutely against this Patriot Act, and then almost outvote Republicans.

00:09:58.000 It's the same thing.

00:10:00.000 It's the illusion of a debate.

00:10:03.000 The illusion of a process.

00:10:05.000 An illusion of freedom.

00:10:09.000 And now because we're demanding our freedom, and the blogs and the alternative media is taking over, They're talking about just outright martial law.

00:10:16.000 How's that sound?

00:10:16.000 We'll just arrest you for your speech.

00:10:18.000 But they've got to announce it and now sell it.

00:10:20.000 And if we don't buy it, they can't get away with it.

00:10:22.000 If we buy it, things will get worse.

00:10:24.000 If we stand up and say no to the government, they'll stop carrying out terror attacks and back off for a time and try to re-angle on us and get another vector through their reticle.

00:10:35.000 I mean, it's that simple.

00:10:36.000 See, when you get into them, they just push you.

00:10:38.000 When you lean into them, they back off. 0.99

00:10:41.000 It's time to just pound them into the ground, folks. 1.00

00:10:43.000 Time to pound them back into their rocks. 1.00

00:10:46.000 I'm just sick of them. 1.00

00:10:47.000 A bunch of criminal inbred trash dancing all over us, making snickering jokes about us. 1.00

00:10:53.000 I've just had enough. 0.99

00:10:56.000 Alright, so that's the kind of news I want to get into.

00:10:59.000 I'm looking at stacks of news going back to last Thursday, and frankly, we've had so many guests on, I've probably only covered about 20% of the news that's been in my stacks.

00:11:08.000 And so today I'm going to attempt to abbreviate so we can get into more.

00:11:13.000 Let us abbreviate my my rattling as my Dad's brother used to call it when I was a kid.

00:11:20.000 I'd constantly talk, he'd say, stop rattling.

00:11:23.000 But you see, it actually paid off.

00:11:24.000 I'm rattling on the radio, I'm being paid to do it.

00:11:27.000 But to make a long story short, we will get into all of this, and we'll talk about the hundreds of pounds of high-grade, high-tech, explosive, missing from Mexico, and we'll get into all of it today.

00:11:42.000 We also have a news clip that we're going to analyze where they tell us how wonderful the Viper teams are.

00:11:48.000 Now everyone loves the Viper teams.

00:11:50.000 No one is against the Viper teams.

00:11:53.000 Everyone loves the Viper teams.

00:11:56.000 The new federal TSA forces that are going to be on the highways and the shopping malls and the bus terminals and why the local governments have asked for the Viper teams.

00:12:08.000 Well, that's not true.

00:12:09.000 I actually read their own press release, and I read what local governments had to say.

00:12:15.000 Even some cities said, we don't want your Viper teams.

00:12:18.000 They said, if you take federal money for transportation, your buses, or your roads, or any of your transportation, your trains, we're going to demand that you assign upwards in some cities 50 police officers to be under the orders and jurisdiction of our TSA teams.

00:12:43.000 So it's exactly what we read in federal plans a decade ago.

00:12:46.000 You're going to have federal forces leading local auxiliary police around in their checkpoints and Nazi Germany behavior. 0.53

00:12:57.000 So that's coming up too.

00:12:59.000 And the local cities do not want them.

00:13:02.000 And no one asked them in.

00:13:04.000 They're forcing their way in, so they lie in the piece and say that, that everybody loves them.

00:13:07.000 Then they got some German guy, who they're talking to on the street corner, and he goes, well, I don't have a problem with it right now.

00:13:13.000 And then they clearly cut.

00:13:14.000 You could tell by the way he was talking, he was going to say, but it's kind of getting dangerous.

00:13:18.000 You could tell he said, everyone loves it, which is pure baloney.

00:13:21.000 I guarantee you, I can go out on the street with a camera in those very same cities and ask the exact same questions, and at least half the people are going to say, I don't like it.

00:13:32.000 And they had a poll in New York about these goons, the first place they started this about a year ago, and people said they hated it.

00:13:39.000 They had a poll, what was it, like 70-something percent of the city said, no, we don't like random bag searches and being shook down by these people on the subways.

00:13:48.000 So it's just... In fact, do you have that clip right now?

00:13:51.000 We might as well just play that now.

00:13:52.000 Do you have that?

00:13:55.000 There, guys.

00:13:58.000 Ground control to Major Tom.

00:14:01.000 Do you have that clip of the Viper teams yet?

00:14:10.000 I know we had a shift change right at the beginning of the show.

00:14:12.000 They'd already downloaded it for me.

00:14:14.000 Do you have it there readily available?

00:14:15.000 We can play that right now?

00:14:17.000 Okay, go ahead and let me just listen to this.

00:14:19.000 It's all lies.

00:14:20.000 It's all propaganda.

00:14:21.000 It's all complete bull to make you be comfortable.

00:14:24.000 Oh, we're going to have new federal forces controlling our local police, and everyone loves it, and the locals love it, and the locals ask them here.

00:14:31.000 The locals asked them here.

00:14:33.000 This is nationwide, from Texas to Detroit.

00:14:35.000 Go ahead and roll it.

00:14:37.000 It is easy to see the Bob Sniffing Dog as she makes her way through the Lindbergh Martyr Station.

00:14:43.000 And that's part of the plan.

00:14:46.000 What is not so easy to see is the undercover air marshal who is also here, just footsteps away, watching you, which is also part of the plan.

00:14:57.000 They'll act very similarly to how they act in aviation.

00:14:59.000 They will be undercover, they will not really be noticed by the public, they'll simply be observing, and if need be, they would interact with the public or break their cover if the situation arose.

00:15:08.000 MARTA was the first transit authority to interface with the TSA, and the police here are way ahead of the curve in the war on terror.

00:15:15.000 That's why this week they're helping the Fed's new Viper team learn the ropes on the ground.

00:15:21.000 The pilot program is basically testing their ability to respond to requests from local and state agencies, particularly transportation-related agencies like transit authorities in the case of increased threats or an actual incident.

00:15:35.000 The canines are TSA certified and have been a fixture throughout the system.

00:15:39.000 Now, they'll get a whole new set of eyes and ears.

00:15:43.000 We also have rail inspectors who are working with MARTA to look for security vulnerabilities, address them, so that we can make the system even more secure than it is today.

00:15:51.000 Passengers have no problem with the new Viper Team.

00:15:54.000 In Europe, there are police everywhere on these kinds of trains.

00:15:57.000 But there's also not the kind of control you have here.

00:16:00.000 Up to this point, I always have felt unsafe.

00:16:03.000 And I ride, you know, twice a day.

00:16:07.000 With that said, you know, how could you not feel a higher level of security?

00:16:11.000 In Buckhead, Keith Whitney, 11 Live News.

00:16:16.000 The people just love the Viper themes!

00:16:23.000 Meanwhile the border is totally wide open and they'll tell the public, we're gonna get tough and put illegal aliens in jail for years and put employers in jail for years if they hire illegal aliens. 0.63

00:16:36.000 But then they simply tell the employers, oh have your illegal alien come and roll, it's total amnesty. 0.69

00:16:43.000 Anybody who's here, anybody who can get here, it allows the federal Government to instruct the big companies to fill out the paperwork so that they can pay to bring, actually ship them here, the skilled and unskilled workers.

00:16:59.000 It's all in this filthy bill.

00:17:01.000 And they're saying that Frist, the Senate leader, is going to tag even more into the bill.

00:17:06.000 But it doesn't matter. 1.00

00:17:06.000 I'll have arguments with the idiot neocons on the street. 1.00

00:17:09.000 You didn't think Bush would deal with that many legals? 1.00

00:17:12.000 We got us a plan right now.

00:17:13.000 We're going to deal with them real good, boy.

00:17:15.000 Oh, really?

00:17:17.000 Have you read the section?

00:17:19.000 No, but John Hannity told me about it.

00:17:23.000 Rush Limbaugh talked about it, and I believe him.

00:17:26.000 I mean, do you like always being conned? 0.99

00:17:30.000 Do you like being raped? 0.99

00:17:31.000 Do you like being raped psychologically? 1.00

00:17:33.000 Do you like being an absolute idiot fool? 1.00

00:17:35.000 Being conned over and over again? 1.00

00:17:37.000 It's like watching some sucker buy snake oil over and over again. 0.99

00:17:41.000 It makes me sick. 0.99

00:17:41.000 It's like watching... 0.99

00:17:43.000 Watchin' people get ripped off.

00:17:45.000 It's the same feeling I get, you know, when I catch the power company ripping off, you know, the entire neighborhood, and you find out everybody got double billed, and you find out it isn't a mistake, or, you know, you find out that these big cell phone companies are always doing this.

00:18:01.000 But it's an even worse feeling, because these crooks have black masks and machine guns.

00:18:10.000 I'm just so, it's the same feeling when you give somebody a 20 and they try to give you a 5 back and they argue with you and you can tell it's a scam.

00:18:17.000 No, no, you gave me a 10.

00:18:19.000 You gave me a 10 and they just started laughing at you.

00:18:26.000 So, but this is like the public being ripped off and loving it.

00:18:30.000 I love being ripped off.

00:18:31.000 I love being scammed.

00:18:33.000 I'm not going to try to preach about it all day.

00:18:36.000 Federal teams running around and now suddenly they're announcing San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami.

00:18:45.000 Oh, we're going to have police out at the malls and on the sides of the road and in the parks and just everywhere.

00:18:52.000 We're just going to randomly, in these big teams, these swarm teams, we're going to swarm you and check your IDs and then, when you're scared, then give you literature and say, look for terrorists.

00:19:03.000 And by the way, it's in the stack.

00:19:05.000 Well, was it last Friday there was an article about how the TSA teams, a few cities said, we don't want you.

00:19:13.000 And I never even covered that.

00:19:14.000 You know, that was good news.

00:19:15.000 And I've got to dig that out here on the stack today and cover it.

00:19:18.000 One of the many things.

00:19:19.000 But it sat in there, the TSA, they had one of their spokesmen going, what's wrong?

00:19:23.000 We just want to help you fight Crum.

00:19:26.000 And in a bunch of these articles it says that.

00:19:28.000 We're here to fight terrorists and Crum.

00:19:31.000 And then suddenly we're just here to fight Crum.

00:19:34.000 Spies to fight crime, gooning around, because there's no real terrorist on the tubes.

00:19:42.000 You can bet your bottom dollar, 90% chance, guaranteed, there's a terror attack on a train, it's going to be a government operative. 0.99

00:19:50.000 Or, the 10% chance, it's going to be some stupid goon, who'll have an improvised explosive, who copycatted because all the media hype. 0.99

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00:24:10.000 I have articles here in front of me from Austin, Texas, Colorado Springs, Colorado, Knoxville, Tennessee.

00:24:20.000 That's just today.

00:24:24.000 With all the citizens training under federal control through the governor's offices to spot terror and fight crime.

00:24:33.000 By spying?

00:24:37.000 Again, there's not going to be any real terrorists to fight, but see everything is terrorism under Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act.

00:24:45.000 All actions that endanger human life, that violate any federal or state law.

00:24:50.000 Terrorism!

00:24:53.000 And they have the drug ads where you smoke marijuana, that funds Al-Qaeda.

00:24:56.000 Marijuana is terror!

00:25:00.000 I want to get into the Commander-in-Chief situation, and then we're going to come back in the next segment and get into some of the citizen spies, and then we will take your phone calls.

00:25:15.000 But right now, Bush during all these speeches keeps saying, I'm allowed to spy on you, the American people.

00:25:24.000 I'm allowed to do all the things we're doing.

00:25:26.000 We're allowed to fly people out of the country To foreign nations for torture, because I'm the Commander-in-Chief.

00:25:33.000 That's what Gonzales says in the memos.

00:25:34.000 He says Bush is the Commander-in-Chief, so he is allowed to change the Constitution, do whatever he wants.

00:25:42.000 Well, that's not true!

00:25:46.000 And here is the Constitution of the United States, Article 2.

00:25:52.000 Article 2, Section 2.

00:25:53.000 Okay, 2-2.

00:25:56.000 And it says, before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation.

00:26:04.000 Okay?

00:26:05.000 And it talks about how the President shall render his services, basically, to the Congress and the people.

00:26:10.000 And to the states.

00:26:11.000 And it goes on.

00:26:12.000 Section 2.

00:26:12.000 Civilian Power over Military Cabinet Pardon Power Appointments.

00:26:19.000 And it explains what the Commander-in-Chief is.

00:26:22.000 We haven't had a declaration of war.

00:26:25.000 Since Harry Truman.

00:26:28.000 Because that would let the people know that Congress was the authority.

00:26:32.000 It's just like a few decades before that, in the 1940s, we had the amendment to the Constitution that took our Senators away.

00:26:41.000 Did you know your state legislature, which you elected, that state rep had a lot of power, that local legislature, And that legislative individual, that representative that you elected, had a lot of power.

00:26:55.000 You know why?

00:26:55.000 That State Assemblyman had a lot of power.

00:27:00.000 Because he or she, they would all vote in a bicameral Senate-House vote at the state level, and you would pick your two Senators, generally from amongst their own ranks, and send them to be U.S.

00:27:14.000 Senators.

00:27:14.000 And believe me, when the state said jump, they said, how high?

00:27:18.000 Master.

00:27:20.000 And because the states had the power.

00:27:22.000 Well, then you had an even greater erosion where the executive didn't even want to be answering to the legislative, which is supposed to be the most powerful branch of government.

00:27:33.000 It goes legislative, executive, judicial.

00:27:36.000 That is the power scale of what the Founding Fathers said and the Federalist Papers said.

00:27:41.000 But, you know, who cares what the government was founded on?

00:27:44.000 Let's just ignore that.

00:27:46.000 But let's get into the Constitution itself.

00:27:49.000 Section 2 of Article 2.

00:27:51.000 The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States and of the militia of the several states when called into actual service of the United States by a declaration of war.

00:28:03.000 He may require the opinion in writing of the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments upon any subject relating to the duties of respective offices and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States except in cases of impeachment.

00:28:21.000 He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provide two-thirds of the Senators present concur, and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and the consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and councils, judges, and the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law, by the Congress,

00:28:47.000 May, by law, vest the appointment of such inferior officers as they think proper in the Presidents alone, in the Court of Law, or of the Heads of Departments.

00:28:57.000 The President shall have the power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of the next session.

00:29:08.000 And then it goes on.

00:29:08.000 State of the Union.

00:29:09.000 Convening Congress.

00:29:10.000 And then it goes into more detail.

00:29:13.000 In earlier articles about the particular war powers and the rest of it, Bush is saying he can domestically run the country because he's Commander-in-Chief.

00:29:23.000 He's not even Commander-in-Chief.

00:29:24.000 They did not declare war.

00:29:26.000 They gave an authorization for force if we were under WMD threat.

00:29:31.000 Which itself was a fraud.

00:29:33.000 And that was simply for funding.

00:29:34.000 And those clauses have been violated.

00:29:36.000 But never does the Commander-in-Chief have domestic control and the power to change the Constitution.

00:29:42.000 Right before this, he has to swear an oath to not violate it.

00:29:47.000 But he gets up on TV and tells you different.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

00:29:52.000 The Empire's on the run.

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00:33:15.000 Knoxville citizens trained to fight terror.

00:33:17.000 We'll get to that here in a few minutes.

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00:33:22.000 We do have Glenn Spencer.

00:33:27.000 Coming on from American Patrol in the third hour to go over this new amnesty bill being billed, pun intended, for the public as a way to stop illegal aliens.

00:33:36.000 And I guess if you legalize murder and don't call it murder anymore, call it happy, happy, joy, joy. 0.99

00:33:41.000 Or, you know, call it whatever stupid name you wish. 0.99

00:33:46.000 We don't have a murder problem anymore. 1.00

00:33:49.000 He was happy, happy, joy, joying with that battle axe. 0.89

00:33:53.000 You know, crushing that old lady's skull in. 1.00

00:33:55.000 We don't have a murder problem anymore, because we just ignore it. 0.90

00:33:59.000 Which is what the globalists do.

00:34:00.000 I mean, we're actually in civil war here in Texas.

00:34:03.000 800 plus dead, rocket attacks, car bombs going off, machine gunning deaths, cops being killed everywhere.

00:34:10.000 There is a 98% blackout.

00:34:11.000 There's been a few local TV pieces about it, a lot on the border.

00:34:14.000 La Hueva Laredo is basically shut down.

00:34:17.000 No more terrorism, just totally shut down.

00:34:19.000 People are moving out en masse.

00:34:21.000 Uh, it's just total carnage, but you see they don't talk about it on the national news, so you tell, you even talk to that local cop.

00:34:26.000 Say, I have heard about cops getting killed.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, I have heard it's dangerous.

00:34:29.000 Well, do you know the numbers?

00:34:30.000 No, I don't know the numbers.

00:34:33.000 Dozens and dozens.

00:34:35.000 Oh, really?

00:34:36.000 But, oh, he's scared, though, when the cop walks up to your car, though.

00:34:39.000 He's real scared.

00:34:40.000 He's not scared of all the illegal aliens. 0.98

00:34:42.000 Oh, no. 0.94

00:34:43.000 It's like diseases from all the illegal aliens. 1.00

00:34:46.000 The hepatitis. 0.90

00:34:47.000 It's like the food from Latin America and other places being shipped in that's been sprayed in human feces.

00:34:53.000 In fact, that's why hepatitis is exploding.

00:34:56.000 That's the main cause.

00:34:57.000 It's admitted!

00:34:58.000 Just type it into Google.

00:34:59.000 Hepatitis found on lettuce.

00:35:01.000 Hepatitis found on... Just type in hepatitis found thousands of times or infected 100,000 in the last two years.

00:35:10.000 I mean, we're talking massive pandemics, ladies and gentlemen.

00:35:14.000 And the average doctor doesn't know about it.

00:35:18.000 Because they're busy running out the door to go play golf.

00:35:22.000 They're busy running off to see their girlfriend or whatever.

00:35:25.000 They're not busy being informed.

00:35:29.000 So I don't know what to say anymore.

00:35:30.000 You know, you tell a doctor, hey, there's cancer viruses in the vaccines.

00:35:34.000 You mean SV40?

00:35:36.000 We quit giving that polio inoculation.

00:35:40.000 No, no, I mean all these other new vaccines that have been tested.

00:35:43.000 Here, here's five articles in the last month.

00:35:46.000 Uh, well, uh oh, I gotta go.

00:35:48.000 You know, I'm a good person.

00:35:50.000 Are you saying I'm bad?

00:35:50.000 No, no, I'm saying The stuff you're being given to give people is tainted by design.

00:35:55.000 Sure it is.

00:35:55.000 Here's a Henry Kissinger document with the CIA about how to do it.

00:35:58.000 I don't want to read that junk. 0.94

00:36:02.000 I'm a member of the establishment. 0.98

00:36:04.000 We don't do bad.

00:36:06.000 You're telling me they want to hurt us by design?

00:36:08.000 Yes, they're social Darwinists.

00:36:10.000 It's a population control program. 0.83

00:36:11.000 They're very, very evil.

00:36:12.000 Sure they are, boy!

00:36:15.000 It doesn't matter if we have the facts.

00:36:17.000 It doesn't matter if we have the evidence.

00:36:19.000 With so many of these people, they're just out of sight, out of mind.

00:36:22.000 Then there's this non-existent Al-Ciata threat, this Al-Qaeda threat.

00:36:26.000 And we're just running in fear.

00:36:27.000 Oh, Feds take my rides. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Oh, give me national ID cards.

00:36:31.000 Search me. 0.91

00:36:32.000 Oh, put machine guns at me.

00:36:33.000 Oh, have dogs bark at me. 0.95

00:36:35.000 Just keep me safe from them.

00:36:40.000 Al-Qaeda could be anywhere.

00:36:42.000 I can tell you people I know personally who Arabs move in next door to them and they're like, I got Arabs living next door to me.

00:36:50.000 You think they're Al-Qaeda?

00:36:51.000 I've seen some suspicious stuff going on.

00:36:55.000 It's just you're living in total fear.

00:36:58.000 I know I harp on this, but this is central.

00:37:00.000 They're directing you on what to be scared of.

00:37:02.000 And I'll say it again, you better be scared of that car.

00:37:07.000 That automobile sitting in your driveway or sitting out there in the parking lot right now at your business or at that company. 1.00

00:37:12.000 That sucker is the number one thing that's going to kill you. 0.99

00:37:16.000 It isn't scary saber-toothed tigers that are in the back of your subconscious mind, back in your head. 0.99

00:37:22.000 It isn't going to be some killer squid like in the horror movies.

00:37:27.000 It isn't even going to be a man in a black mask coming to get you.

00:37:29.000 They won't intimidate you with that.

00:37:31.000 It isn't even going to be some street criminal.

00:37:34.000 It's that car.

00:37:35.000 You hurdle down the road at 80 miles an hour with other cars all around you.

00:37:38.000 You drive by carnage every day and every month you drive by dead bodies and usually don't even notice them under the, you know, under the blankets there on the side of the road with, you know, smashed into the vehicles.

00:37:50.000 But you still do it because you've been driving your whole life, you're used to it, and they didn't tell you to be afraid of it.

00:37:56.000 Just like I see these cops hanging their hind ends out in the highway, you know, when they're giving somebody a ticket.

00:38:02.000 But they're sure scared of the general population, because they were told to be scared of us, because they were giving briefings to be scared of us, but they're not scared of hanging their hind end out on I-35, like complete nutcases, when more cops get killed every year getting run over, and in car accidents than they do getting shot by bad guys, but you're not afraid of that, because the briefing didn't tell you to be afraid of it. 0.99

00:38:24.000 You see, you're fools! 1.00

00:38:27.000 I'm talking about the people that are just willfully ignorant. 1.00

00:38:33.000 But I'll tell you what you should be afraid of. 0.98

00:38:37.000 Governments, last century, conservatively, conservatively, killed 250 million people.

00:38:47.000 I mean, now, even the Communist Chinese official government says they killed 70 million.

00:38:50.000 I've never said that.

00:38:51.000 Their official government documents say that now, but make excuses for it.

00:38:55.000 70 million!

00:38:56.000 70 million Hitler, 35 to 40 million people. 0.72

00:39:05.000 Stalin, 55 million.

00:39:08.000 Pol Pot, 2.4 million.

00:39:15.000 Unbelievable numbers.

00:39:18.000 Fidel Castro, at least 300,000.

00:39:22.000 The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.

00:39:30.000 Right wing, left wing, they all wear black uniforms, they all wear black masks, they all stomp around in military insignias, they all call themselves commanders and chiefs, they all are controlled by a bunch of central banks that are bigger than any government, who are trying to weaken all governments, trying to destroy all strong countries.

00:39:46.000 They'll put dictators in to do that! 1.00

00:39:52.000 This is what's happening.

00:39:53.000 I have to sit here and watch it.

00:39:56.000 The classical paradigm.

00:39:57.000 The classical signature.

00:39:59.000 The classical textbook takeover.

00:40:04.000 Watching our entire nation, all of our families and our treasure and our ideas and our culture sliding in to this real world lake of fire.

00:40:17.000 This tyranny is burning down our institutions, burning down our structures, smashing thousands of years of culture, dumbing us down into gibbering, chirping, monkey-like creatures.

00:40:30.000 I have to watch them ripping apart minds and putting them back together.

00:40:34.000 I have to watch them just destroying everything decent. 0.98

00:40:38.000 I have to watch them exterminating us in mass. 0.98

00:40:41.000 I have to watch them pulling all of this baloney. 1.00

00:40:44.000 And then I gotta see these snickering, foolish... 1.00

00:40:47.000 morons, the yuppies, the trendies, the liberals, the yippies, the hippies, the good old boys, all of you feeling so good and secure, so self-centered, you couldn't have spent five minutes to save yourself. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Oh, just a note, because I keep forgetting to do this. 1.00

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00:47:29.000 Okay, now, I mean, these are the type of articles, and they all sound nice and innocuous, but we've had video cameras inside these meetings, and it's in the articles.

00:47:39.000 Again, I've got them from Texas.

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00:47:48.000 And they come in and they go, we're going to fight terrorists.

00:47:50.000 Terrorists are deadly. 0.99

00:47:51.000 Terrorists are evil.

00:47:51.000 But what supports terrorists?

00:47:53.000 What ties down the police while they're trying to fight the terrorists?

00:47:56.000 Let me tell you.

00:47:57.000 I mean, they gave a presentation two years ago, Homeland Security did in Austin.

00:48:00.000 This is exactly what they said.

00:48:01.000 We heard clips from the TV show, because the Ritters were there and got footage of it.

00:48:06.000 And Jimmy Ritter and Chris Ritter, his wife.

00:48:09.000 And on that tape, they go, we're fighting terrorists.

00:48:14.000 When the police are tied down fighting criminals, That aids terrorists.

00:48:19.000 So we need you to help us fight crime.

00:48:21.000 See, it's always the same.

00:48:23.000 Crime.

00:48:24.000 And it's in these articles.

00:48:25.000 We're fighting crime.

00:48:28.000 For the first time in America, the Governor's Office of Homeland Security is training a select group of people in Knoxville on how to better track terrorist activity.

00:48:37.000 Oh, kind of like you fired the head of the cable company because you said there was a New World Order?

00:48:40.000 Is that how you fight terrorists?

00:48:42.000 With help from the Department there in Knoxville, With the help from the Department of Homeland Security, the State Office is teaching civilians.

00:48:49.000 Oh, military terminology.

00:48:50.000 See, we're civilians.

00:48:52.000 But the Mayor, he's an official.

00:48:55.000 See, it's all military terminology.

00:48:56.000 And Bush is the Commander-in-Chief.

00:48:59.000 All martial law terminology.

00:49:01.000 How to use a terror tracking program called the Homeland Security Information Network.

00:49:06.000 It's terror training for the average citizen.

00:49:08.000 Under close watch from the Department of Homeland Security, a select group of civilians, nominated by Knoxville police, little toadies, are learning how to better track terrorist activity.

00:49:19.000 Ann La Cava is one of the civilians enrolled in the training.

00:49:24.000 I think the big thing is people are realizing that civilians can play a part.

00:49:28.000 La Cava, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, is one of 35 civilians, not citizens, civilians, in Knoxville getting a crash course in Homeland Security Information Network.

00:49:39.000 Excuse me.

00:49:44.000 Still under the weather here.

00:49:45.000 Oh yeah, cough button. 0.90

00:49:49.000 In a network already used widely by law enforcement across the country, if you see anyone doing something that is not a normal thing, not normal, now we have a place to take that info and of course they added the tattletale number 311, or 411, and pass it on to someone else and let them determine if it's a threat of any kind.

00:50:06.000 See, a threat of any kind!

00:50:09.000 The Citizen Terror Tracker.

00:50:11.000 A Terror Tracker.

00:50:13.000 That sounds like what they had over in East Germany.

00:50:14.000 A Terror Tracker.

00:50:16.000 Well, we got our Terror Trackers assigned to the Viper Teams.

00:50:19.000 If a Citizen Terror Tracker sees something out of the ordinary, they can log on to a network and fill out a secure online document.

00:50:26.000 Oh boy.

00:50:27.000 Then a link is established with local law enforcement agencies across the United States.

00:50:31.000 So just rumors are now, and they can use some little tattletales of rumor to get a national alert going.

00:50:37.000 They can't get fake intelligence from the NSA or the CIA or the FBI?

00:50:40.000 Well, we'll just get little do-gooders to do it for us. 0.99

00:50:43.000 John Sterling, another student in training, says the network is an invaluable tool in the war on terror.

00:50:49.000 It does enhance our community sharing ability by putting everyone on the same proverbial sheet of music. 0.96

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00:53:56.000 Transcription by CastingWords Most of the people joining these are just little do-gooder, well-meaning people.

00:54:17.000 And they have no idea.

00:54:19.000 They have no sense of history.

00:54:20.000 No connection to reality.

00:54:23.000 And they want to go, quote, HIP.

00:54:26.000 Well, I've seen the role players with the Marines.

00:54:29.000 They even have these little local tattletale role players in the drills they do to help confiscate our guns.

00:54:35.000 That was before 9-11.

00:54:38.000 So we do have one of these individuals from Knoxville, part of the Well, here it is.

00:54:43.000 Tennessee is part of six states chosen to conduct the first set of citizen training classes.

00:54:47.000 That's not true.

00:54:48.000 I have AP reports from two weeks after 9-11.

00:54:50.000 We're up in New Jersey.

00:54:52.000 The majority of citizens in the training session are volunteers with Knoxville Police.

00:54:56.000 Others came from neighborhood watch programs around the city.

00:54:59.000 The Governor's Office of Homeland Security says more training sessions are planned in the near future.

00:55:03.000 So, we'll be talking to one here in a few minutes, supposedly.

00:55:07.000 That should be interesting, shouldn't it?

00:55:09.000 Jeff in New Jersey.

00:55:10.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

00:55:15.000 Okay, let him go.

00:55:16.000 Let's go on to... You know what?

00:55:18.000 I said Jeff in New Jersey.

00:55:19.000 It was Jim in New Jersey.

00:55:21.000 Jim, are you there?

00:55:23.000 Hello?

00:55:24.000 Yes, Jim.

00:55:24.000 Go ahead.

00:55:25.000 I got a question about the Constitution.

00:55:28.000 I don't understand how it's legally binding on anyone.

00:55:31.000 Did anyone ever... No one ever signed it.

00:55:33.000 No politician.

00:55:34.000 Not me or you.

00:55:35.000 Like, how's it binding on anyone?

00:55:40.000 Well, that's what Alberto Gonzales says.

00:55:43.000 He says that Bush is just a king, and that's why they're now openly saying that, because the memos say he is absolute ruler over us all.

00:55:50.000 There is no law, because he is the law.

00:55:52.000 And, well, you see, it's like when a city incorporates.

00:55:56.000 It's the rules.

00:55:57.000 And it's the law, sir.

00:55:59.000 And so the very system that incorporated the federal government and the state government says that murder Is illegal because we fought a revolution, we created a government, and our representatives of the thirteen colonies went to Philadelphia and hammered this out, sir.

00:56:19.000 And so it is binding because we voted for it, our forefathers voted for it, and we have.

00:56:24.000 It has been our heritage and what we do, just like it's our heritage, that murder is illegal and bribery is illegal.

00:56:31.000 So I don't know what you're talking about.

00:56:32.000 Well isn't every law Just some guy's opinion that's backed by a gun?

00:56:38.000 Yeah, well you can say that, but we're going to have governments, we're going to have laws, and so you can just run around.

00:56:43.000 I mean, try going out committing a murder and just see what happens.

00:56:48.000 So a rule of law in a republic, it's a republic, madam, if you can keep it, is better than, say, living under a king.

00:56:57.000 And so I like our form of government.

00:56:59.000 It's not that our government's... our republic failed.

00:57:04.000 It's that we failed it.

00:57:05.000 Don't judge a republic by what you see outside today.

00:57:08.000 This is a despotism.

00:57:09.000 A growing despotism.

00:57:11.000 Well, even right after they got the Constitution, the first act, didn't George Washington go to western Pennsylvania and attack them because they didn't want to pay that whiskey tax?

00:57:23.000 All government is violent by nature.

00:57:25.000 Everything they do.

00:57:27.000 It's easy to sit here and bad mouth everything and nothing's ever going to be perfect, but in the sum total, look, we were 4% of the population, got half the wealth, created almost all the patents.

00:57:38.000 We were blessed.

00:57:39.000 Judge the tree by its fruits.

00:57:42.000 I mean, it's easy to sit there on a high horse.

00:57:45.000 I mean, if America's bad, what else would you suggest?

00:57:47.000 I think a total voluntary society.

00:57:51.000 Well, that'll never happen.

00:57:54.000 That's not human nature.

00:57:55.000 Well, what if everyone right now, everyone that's listening to you, what if you promoted everyone just to take their license plate off their car?

00:58:02.000 Well, I am for stuff like that.

00:58:04.000 I am for, you know, one kid says no at the school to an ID card, then they all say no.

00:58:08.000 That has happened.

00:58:09.000 I am for things like that.

00:58:10.000 But still, we are a group of creatures.

00:58:14.000 We do get together in tribes.

00:58:16.000 It's how we're wired.

00:58:16.000 It's how we operate.

00:58:18.000 So we need to have rules that are strictly controlled to control government, the most abusive thing in history.

00:58:23.000 But to say, let's get rid of all government, that's just going to create a vacuum that will create something even worse.

00:58:28.000 Thanks for the call.

00:58:29.000 We can debate that later.

00:58:30.000 We have to talk to someone first, though, when we get back from Homeland Security.

00:58:33.000 It's going to save us, and I really look forward to hearing from them.

00:58:37.000 Stay with us.

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00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

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00:59:17.000 Well, Professor John Sterling is a political science professor.

00:59:24.000 And now at a local community college, he is their Homeland Security, I guess, liaison to Homeland Security.

00:59:30.000 I just had the WATE TV news piece and it just said John Sterling, another student in training for Homeland Security.

00:59:38.000 And so, he has agreed to be with us for the balance of the hour and to, uh, And to tell us about his mindset, why he got involved in this, and all over the country.

00:59:47.000 This is six states, that's really not accurate.

00:59:50.000 They have a Secure Corps, AmeriCorps, Citizen Corps, and they fight terrorism, quote, and crime.

00:59:56.000 And they're just out there aiding the police and the Homeland Security.

01:00:01.000 And so, Professor Sterling, should I call you Dr. Sterling?

01:00:05.000 You can just call me John.

01:00:07.000 Okay.

01:00:08.000 John, tell us how you got involved in all this, and tell us about yourself and what you do.

01:00:13.000 Well, my background is law enforcement and military, and I went to law school late in life.

01:00:18.000 I thought to practice law, but my mother hoped that I would take up more honest employment, so I got into academia.

01:00:24.000 And part of my military and police experience was counter-terrorism, counter-intelligence.

01:00:30.000 So after 9-11, it was a natural fit for me to be drawn back into that kind of service.

01:00:36.000 As I said, I was a political science professor in North Carolina.

01:00:40.000 About three years ago, the Governor's Office of Homeland Security in Tennessee hired me to be the regional coordinator for the eastern region of Tennessee.

01:00:48.000 Last June, I went back into academia.

01:00:50.000 I was hired by a local community college in Knoxville to head up their Homeland Security program.

01:00:56.000 We offer one of the first in the nation, Associates of Applied Science in Homeland Security.

01:01:02.000 The training that I was at yesterday was in that capacity because as part of developing my curriculum for Homeland Security, we want to integrate, to teach students how to integrate volunteers in The overall Homeland Security initiative.

01:01:18.000 So you're a force multiplier?

01:01:20.000 Yes, sir.

01:01:20.000 That's right.

01:01:20.000 That's a good term.

01:01:22.000 You're actually there as a cadre commander to, I guess, create larger units?

01:01:29.000 Well, that's not exactly accurate, but truly this is a team of teams from the governor's office right on down.

01:01:37.000 In our state, the focus on Homeland Security really is a team of teams.

01:01:41.000 It involves government and private enterprise and local citizens.

01:01:46.000 The Citizens Corps that you mentioned really is involved, is made up of a lot of different segments, volunteers and police service, the Citizens Emergency Response Team, the Medical Reserve Corps, and some others.

01:01:59.000 So the Knoxville Police Department hosted this yesterday with, in conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security, The Knoxville Police Department coordinates mostly the VIPs, the Volunteers in Police Service, the Citizens Volunteer Group, but they coordinate also some of the others.

01:02:18.000 So, the volunteer coordinator for the Police Department, working with the Department of Homeland Security, set up this training.

01:02:26.000 Citizens of various backgrounds came together and learned how to operate this Homeland Security Information Network.

01:02:35.000 So we'll just have eyes and ears everywhere?

01:02:37.000 Yes, sir.

01:02:39.000 And is 40 where it's going to stop?

01:02:41.000 I mean, what number is Homeland Security right now saying they want per city, your size?

01:02:46.000 Well, 40 happened to be the amount of, that was what the resources could handle here locally.

01:02:50.000 And I don't know whether that was a number that the Knoxville Police Department is is going to cap at or whether there will be additional training scheduled.

01:02:59.000 I know that as far as my college program, my curriculum program that we've designed, we're going to integrate part of what I'm trying to accomplish by offering an associate's degree is to train people how to be emergency planners. we're going to integrate part of what I'm trying to And part of developing any emergency plan of necessity requires involvement with citizens.

01:03:26.000 Oh, it's the new economy, is Homeland Security.

01:03:29.000 Uh, I'll tell you what, Professor, stay right there and we've got a break here for just three minutes.

01:03:34.000 We're going to come back and recap a little bit and then get into what the training is specifically with John Sterling.

01:03:42.000 And he is, uh, He also teaches a class on Homeland Security there at the local college.

01:03:50.000 Stay with us, we'll be right back.

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01:07:05.000 Well, we're talking to Professor John Sterling, and he has a military and anti-terrorism background, and he teaches a Homeland Security class there at one of the local colleges in the Knoxville area.

01:07:20.000 I just saw his name, told my producer to get him on here in this WATE news piece.

01:07:26.000 And I've seen these reports from all over the country where they take the citizen corps and with the kids.

01:07:32.000 It's called Secure Corps.

01:07:33.000 We had some of the kids on a few years ago.

01:07:35.000 I remember in that Philadelphia Daily News article where they do bomb clearing and warrant service.

01:07:41.000 I couldn't believe they were giving kids this training.

01:07:43.000 I don't know if they do that.

01:07:45.000 In support of the police, they had them fugitive tracking in the woods.

01:07:48.000 Pretty sophisticated.

01:07:49.000 I guess this stuff is a little more just eyes and ears, but we'll find out.

01:07:53.000 Then we have other stratas.

01:07:55.000 There's stuff like the Alabama Defense Forces and the Texas Defense Forces, the State Guard, where they'll go into a town during, say, a Bay Fest in a major city in Alabama and then search everybody coming into the downtown of the city.

01:08:11.000 I'm sorry.

01:08:12.000 So there's a lot of this, and I've been to a lot of these events, and as people know, I've made a few films on the subject.

01:08:17.000 It's extremely interesting, but we're again honored to have John Sterling with us.

01:08:22.000 He's been with us for the whole hour.

01:08:23.000 He's lavishing us with time.

01:08:26.000 And we'll open the phones up, coming up in about 30 minutes.

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01:08:33.000 John, tell us more about your unique perspective.

01:08:36.000 What is your military and counter-terrorism background?

01:08:39.000 Well, I don't know that my perspective is unique, but I have a broad base of experience.

01:08:43.000 I was a street cop at the local level in Kansas and Colorado.

01:08:47.000 I was a detective and a crime scene investigator.

01:08:51.000 Then I was in the military.

01:08:52.000 I got out of the military with the rank of captain following Desert Storm, and we had done some intelligence counterinsurgency stuff during the mid to late 80s, particularly Central American theater.

01:09:05.000 So when I went back to school late in life and got my master's and my doctorate degree, Shortly after that, 9-11 occurred.

01:09:15.000 That M.O.

01:09:15.000 sounds like you got recruited by an intelligence agency.

01:09:19.000 No, just the Governor wanted somebody to help.

01:09:22.000 No, no, no.

01:09:22.000 I'm going back to you in Central and South America.

01:09:25.000 You know, being recruited already as a professional to go down there in the 80's.

01:09:28.000 Were you recruited by an intelligence agency?

01:09:31.000 No, I was with a conventional Army Reserve Unit.

01:09:36.000 Why, but that was hairy down there.

01:09:38.000 Well, it was interesting.

01:09:39.000 The Army euphemistically calls that low-intensity conflict, and what that really means is you send small units out into the jungle without much logistical support.

01:09:47.000 Guerrilla warfare?

01:09:48.000 Yes, sir.

01:09:50.000 So, I mean, I was your patriotic fellow, and I guess 9-11 happened, and you decided to try to get involved again?

01:09:58.000 I mean, what happened?

01:09:59.000 Well, it was an opportunity for me to conduct some counter-terrorism training for the state of North Carolina.

01:10:05.000 I had been teaching law and political science, teaching criminal justice, criminal procedure, and there was an opportunity to travel over the eastern third of North Carolina with the Governor's Crime Commission, training law enforcement in basic terrorism awareness.

01:10:20.000 And so from there then I was recruited by the governor's office in Tennessee to help stand up their office of Homeland Security about three years ago.

01:10:29.000 And now you teach a class?

01:10:31.000 Well I teach, I'm a program coordinator.

01:10:33.000 We actually offer an entire program, 14 classes related to Homeland Security.

01:10:39.000 Now I mean do you think it would really be, I know a lot of universities, UT, Texas A&M, a lot of others are really shifting into this to train tens of thousands of people.

01:10:47.000 Are we going to need tens of thousands of people to fight terrorists here in America?

01:10:51.000 Well, fighting terrorists, that's a broad term.

01:10:55.000 Ultimately, every incident Of course, we want to prevent, if possible.

01:11:00.000 That's the primary objective.

01:11:02.000 That's kind of a new psychology for America.

01:11:04.000 Instead of going after the crime after it happens to get the criminals, this is that preventative.

01:11:08.000 It does.

01:11:09.000 It represents a shift in the way we think about criminal activity.

01:11:13.000 A seismic shift.

01:11:14.000 Yes, it is.

01:11:16.000 And we have to be careful with that.

01:11:18.000 You alluded to the fact that I'm a patriot, and in truth I am.

01:11:21.000 I believe in the Constitution.

01:11:23.000 But there are...

01:11:25.000 These are perilous times and they require a very careful analysis of how we're going to shift with the times without compromising our fundamental liberties.

01:11:34.000 Do you agree with Alberto Gonzales' memos where he says that Bush is actually Commander-in-Chief and in that position domestically, he is the law and can authorize whatever he wishes?

01:11:45.000 No, if that's Alberto Gonzales' take on it, I would disagree with that as you've summarized it.

01:11:53.000 Well, that's actually word for word.

01:11:55.000 I've even got a clip of him on NBC saying it in different words.

01:12:00.000 But no, have you heard of those torture memos?

01:12:04.000 Yes.

01:12:04.000 Well, there's four of them.

01:12:05.000 We've got them.

01:12:06.000 And it's grisly.

01:12:07.000 They say we can kill people, and if we don't call it torture when they die, it's not illegal.

01:12:13.000 Well, the fundamental principles of the Constitution are what I have sworn to uphold and protect, and even though I'm no longer a commissioned officer, I am still loyal to that oath.

01:12:23.000 Well, I agree with you.

01:12:24.000 I'm here reading Article 2 of the U.S.

01:12:28.000 Constitution, Section 2, about the Commander-in-Chief, and it really says he's only the Commander-in-Chief when he follows the Constitution and when Congress declares war.

01:12:39.000 Well, terrorism is, you know, it represents a shift in the terrain, politically, philosophically, legally.

01:12:48.000 And as I said, we need to be very careful that any move that we make does not divorce the constitutional principles, but yet does give government all the tools that it needs to effectively combat terrorism.

01:13:00.000 And I'm glad that I'm not in a, you know, a chief policymaking position.

01:13:03.000 It's a difficult razor's edge to walk sometimes.

01:13:07.000 What did you think about all the latest reports of the Pentagon going around to protest and taking photos of people and wiretapping individuals?

01:13:16.000 What did you think of that?

01:13:18.000 Well, I don't know.

01:13:19.000 Is this going to be a show about my personal opinion?

01:13:22.000 Well, no, I'm trying to get the idea, the view on somebody who is, as you said in the last segment, you're there basically recruiting and expanding as a leader, not just at a college with 14 classes that you're administering, but also, you're definitely a change agent.

01:13:43.000 Well, in that context, I want to teach my students the process of thinking through to a conclusion.

01:13:52.000 Not a knee-jerk emotional reaction, but to be firmly grounded in constitutional principles to understand what the threat is, and to be able to work through some legitimate process to maximize the ability of law enforcement to do their job.

01:14:09.000 Now, what are threats?

01:14:10.000 Because in these articles from Texas and Colorado and Tennessee, they talk about fighting terrorism and crime.

01:14:18.000 The new TSA Viper teams are saying, we're going to fight threats, we're going to fight terror and crime.

01:14:23.000 What is the mission that you're teaching these 40 volunteers, most of them already volunteers with the police department, who came to this meeting that's separate from your academic activities?

01:14:34.000 Well, for most of your listeners, they probably are aware that all terrorism is crime, but all crime is not terrorism.

01:14:42.000 So there is that overlap.

01:14:43.000 Make sure the definitions are clear.

01:14:45.000 Terrorism is a crime that has the intent of shifting political objectives, that has its intent to change policy.

01:14:57.000 And its targets are not the people that are the change agents.

01:15:00.000 I agree with you, Professor, but that's the old definition.

01:15:02.000 Are you aware of the Federal Code change in Section 802 of H.R.

01:15:05.000 3162, USA Page Reduct?

01:15:06.000 I'm still operating under what the FBI Train this as to what the definition of terrorism is.

01:15:14.000 Would you like me to tell you what Section 802 says?

01:15:16.000 Sure, go ahead.

01:15:17.000 Any action that endangers human life that's a violation of any federal or state law is an act of terrorism.

01:15:22.000 Well, that certainly is a departure from the historical definition.

01:15:26.000 Believe me, while I'm just glad to talk to you, you sound like a genuine person, and that's what I said before we even got you on.

01:15:31.000 It's just I'm somewhat of a, frankly, an expert on this, and I'm the person that came up with the idea to have cities reject the Patriot Act.

01:15:39.000 I'm the person that wrote that.

01:15:40.000 And I'm the person that had it thrown out in those states, and I'm the person that came up with that idea.

01:15:46.000 And believe me, I've interviewed a lot of you guys, and you're the most well-spoken person I've talked to so far.

01:15:51.000 I've had people on here that say anybody disagrees with the government needs to be put in a FEMA camp, Professor.

01:15:56.000 Well, we've been down that road before, and that haunts us to this day.

01:16:00.000 So, as I said, this is a razor-thin edge of policy, and I'm glad that I'm not at those higher levels of policy-making, you know, decision-making.

01:16:08.000 But you do have an oath, and you said you swore to that oath, and so if you ever got orders that you thought were unconstitutional, you're not going to deceive yourself and play double-think?

01:16:17.000 You're going to say no?

01:16:18.000 That's absolutely right.

01:16:20.000 Well, I tell you, that's very encouraging.

01:16:21.000 Look, I have no problem with people that are actually out looking for terrorists, but when we get into this thing of, oh, citizens need to call the police if they do see a crime taking place or think one is, but the tattletale East German system of having huge squads running around, we all know there's not going to be a terrorist event every month in Knoxville, so what are they going to be doing? 0.61

01:16:39.000 I mean, it says threats.

01:16:41.000 I mean, they're obviously going to be, quote, fighting crime, Professor?

01:16:43.000 Well, there are a lot of activities that people deem suspicious and, of course, Depending on your background, your training, your awareness levels, something that one person may deem suspicious may be completely normal behavior for another one.

01:16:55.000 But when people do see behavior that they deem suspicious, and we don't define that for them.

01:17:01.000 We can give some guidelines, but we leave it up to people to, if it raises the hackles, the hairs on the back of your neck, then go ahead and report it.

01:17:12.000 Then there are people, there's a screening process, that vetting process takes place at the local level, The volunteers that were trained yesterday, for example, are recruited, screened, administered by the Knoxville Police Department and they have, the Knoxville Police Department has the oversight over those particular, that particular group of volunteers.

01:17:31.000 Well I've got a neighbor, a nice old lady who likes to constantly look through her windows at me and constantly look through the cracks in the Since, and I have no idea why, but I mean, is she going to be running around as my new commander? 1.00

01:17:43.000 The local police probably have a thick dossier on you already, Alex.

01:17:48.000 Oh, they do, don't worry.

01:17:50.000 Well, again, we get calls from people that, frankly, are pretty loony, but there is a vetting process, you know, there's a screening process, and suspicious behavior that's deemed suspicious by the

01:18:06.000 By the citizen will be reported and then if it's deemed to warrant further investigation Then it'll be handled by by local local law enforcement And if it's deemed by them to require a higher level of intervention then they'll notify the local Joint Terrorism Task Force or in Tennessee we have a Well, stay there, Professor.

01:18:27.000 We're really honored to have you.

01:18:28.000 I want to come back.

01:18:28.000 We've got a quick break.

01:18:29.000 I want to get into, because I'm intrigued by this discussion, I want to get into how this machinery, how these mechanisms actually work, and any websites you want to give out, or any information, and then take calls.

01:18:43.000 But, you know, you joke, Professor, about how there was a big dossier on me.

01:18:46.000 I'm sure our Knoxville listeners are going to infiltrate your organization now.

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01:23:01.000 You know, I'm not going to sit up here like the Grand Poobah of knowing people, but I was talking to the Professor Sterling, John Sterling, during the break, and he seems really genuine.

01:23:09.000 I mean, my detector for baloney didn't go off at all.

01:23:13.000 And so, you know, the joke during the break we were saying is that I was saying, well, he's saying, I like being in the system because I can make sure the Constitution is being followed.

01:23:21.000 And that really is one of the fail-safes we have built into this country, is that there are a lot of good people in these systems, in these mechanisms.

01:23:28.000 And that was my joke about, I bet a bunch of our listeners are going to go join, keep their mouths shut, if they really do ever see any real terrorist stuff going on, they'll call the police.

01:23:36.000 But they're not going to tattle on their neighbor who they think might be dumping garbage in the local creek because that's the kind of stuff we've seen with some of these local Secure Corps, Citizen Corps groups.

01:23:48.000 Because, let's face it, folks, they've got to give them something to do, and they're not going to be seeing terrorists on a daily basis.

01:23:54.000 So specifically, sir, I talked to you during the break about my film, Police State 2000, which you haven't seen, but I'll send you a video of it.

01:24:00.000 The listeners have.

01:24:02.000 Urban Warrior in 99 in Oakland, California, with Marines training openly to confiscate our firearms in America.

01:24:09.000 And then you go, yeah, you brought up the 29 Palm Survey, where they asked them, would you found Americans, and 76% said no.

01:24:16.000 Would you speak to that, please?

01:24:18.000 Well, I just know that young people, I mean, I teach in an academic environment.

01:24:22.000 I get a lot of kids right out of high school, and I'm, you know, I'm over 50 years old, so I've seen basically three generations of, you know, young people, and I'm just amazed at the young people who do not, they lack a critical thinking component.

01:24:37.000 And they, their lives, their whole training is in sound bites.

01:24:41.000 And so they believe what they're told.

01:24:43.000 If it's on the internet, if it's on the news, if they read it in a book, why then it must be true.

01:24:47.000 So their whole perspective of what is constitutional, what is fair, what is, you know, what is a balance of liberty and order.

01:24:55.000 They believe what they're told in public school and through their other input sources.

01:24:59.000 So you talk about a balance between liberty and order.

01:25:01.000 I've always found that maximum liberty brings maximum order and that it's a fake trade-off that they've told us.

01:25:06.000 Give up liberty, you get security.

01:25:08.000 I find that to be a false equation and I think the Founding Fathers spoke eloquently through a historical lens to that point, Professor.

01:25:15.000 Well, I'm not sure that I know what you're referring to, that liberty, the individual liberty, It comes with a certain amount of chaos or disorganization.

01:25:27.000 You know, just think of it in a community.

01:25:29.000 None of you have a self-governed people.

01:25:31.000 Yes, now that we've basically turned into animals, maybe you're right.

01:25:34.000 I mean, I have to, people are turning into animals.

01:25:36.000 But, I don't know, 1776, I mean, after the war, the crime rate wasn't very high compared to the rest of Europe.

01:25:43.000 And you make the point that self-government only works for people that are self-disciplined.

01:25:48.000 If we lack self-discipline, we cannot be self-governed.

01:25:50.000 And I think that's one of the great fallacies.

01:25:52.000 I mean, I'm kind of falling back to my former political science days here, but that's, you know, that's my perspective.

01:25:59.000 We have to be self-disciplined if we're going to be effectively... But the evidence shows, Professor, no amount of force, as if the government even wants to have force to keep us all safe and happy.

01:26:09.000 Give me a break.

01:26:09.000 I mean, as you said during the break, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely, as Lord Acton said.

01:26:14.000 The actual quote is that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

01:26:18.000 I mean, you can try to give those levers of power all the leverage they need.

01:26:22.000 It's only going to manifest over time into a despotism.

01:26:26.000 Well, I agree that we need to be constantly vigilant.

01:26:29.000 I mean, I am a patriot.

01:26:31.000 I love God.

01:26:31.000 I love my country.

01:26:33.000 That does not mean, by the same token, that I love my government or everything that my government does.

01:26:38.000 I am not anti-government.

01:26:40.000 I believe that governments are instituted of God to bring about righteousness and goodness.

01:26:46.000 Well, that's Romans 13.

01:26:48.000 I don't think... I am anti-Chinese Communist government.

01:26:51.000 I am anti-Nazi government. 0.78

01:26:52.000 I am anti-Putin government.

01:26:54.000 As am I. But then I would not be... I'm not anti-Constitutional Republic.

01:27:01.000 And so to that end, and this goes back to your question, I am in a position of influence.

01:27:05.000 I am in a position to help young minds think, apprehend what our historical foundations represent, the principles that they represent, and to apply those principles as we work through this complicated and ever-changing terrorist threat situation.

01:27:24.000 Well, you see, I think the foundation of what you're covering is flawed, and I'm going to send you some material on that.

01:27:29.000 What's generating the terrorism, where it's coming from, who really stands to gain in a larger lens, Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty.

01:27:39.000 I mean, I've had admirals on the air who took the call from LBJ and he said, I want that GD ship going to the bottom to be blamed on Egypt.

01:27:46.000 And so when you get to a certain point, when you're, you know, I mean, I understand you using the, you know, the data you have as a machine and then spitting out the answer.

01:27:56.000 That would make sense if Brzezinski and Jimmy Carter hadn't gone over and created Al-Qaeda in 1979.

01:28:03.000 Any comments, Professor?

01:28:11.000 Well, you know, of course, The dispute is whether, you know, to the extent that we may have contributed to Al-Qaeda.

01:28:18.000 I mean, certainly we use indigenous troops, indigenous resources to fight a common enemy, and that has a history of fighting us down the pike. 0.95

01:28:29.000 We'll stay there.

01:28:29.000 We've got to break.

01:28:30.000 I'll let you answer that on the other side.

01:28:31.000 I want to talk more about the actual training, what's going on, this database, how it's uploaded, and then take a few calls.

01:28:36.000 Anything you want to cover.

01:28:37.000 We're just honored to have him, John Sterling, a real gentleman, spending time with us today in this discourse.

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01:31:53.000 I know we've got Jeff in New York, Mike in Chicago, Scott in Wisconsin, Chris in Arkansas, John in New York, and many others.

01:32:10.000 And I'm sure these calls will be all over the map.

01:32:11.000 I mean, I try to have a question for our guests or myself about the teams they're hiring and the cadres, the local groups they're creating.

01:32:22.000 But going back to the professor John Sterling who heads up a program that gives fourteen classes at a local college there in the Knoxville area and of course has worked inside the federal government anti-terrorism in the U.S.

01:32:36.000 military and also been a police officer.

01:32:38.000 He's been tapped by the Governor's Office of Homeland Security and he's training a select group of people from Knoxville on how to better track terrorist activity.

01:32:46.000 With the help of the Federal Department of Homeland Security, they're teaching civilians.

01:32:51.000 Why is Homeland Security military?

01:32:53.000 Is the governor's office military?

01:32:54.000 Why are they calling us civilians?

01:32:56.000 See, the terminology goes under the war powers and Bush saying he's commander-in-chief and trying to say that's a domestic power.

01:33:03.000 I mean, this is just what the historical constitutional scholars are saying.

01:33:06.000 I mean, Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Tommy Franks.

01:33:10.000 I mean, this isn't Alex Jones, folks.

01:33:12.000 I mean, this is what's being discussed.

01:33:14.000 Under close watch from the Department of Homeland Security, a select group of civilians, nominated by Knoxville Police, are learning how to better track terrorist activity.

01:33:22.000 And then it gets into it, and there is going to be a program where these people upload to computers on a network and fill out a secure online document.

01:33:32.000 Then a link is established with local and federal law enforcement.

01:33:35.000 You know, Bush has not been able to have the CIA and the FBI put out fake terror alerts.

01:33:39.000 They blow the whistle, they've exposed it, it's been admitted, the White House Press Secretary had to admit All right, Fletcher, before he left, that yes, we put those out for political reasons, and then boom, he was gone.

01:33:49.000 I mean, they canned him quick every time the approval rating goes down.

01:33:53.000 It always turns out it wasn't a real threat, okay?

01:33:56.000 Imagine having thousands of people all over the country with these online forms, and they're going to have a Homeland Security deal where you sit at home and watch surveillance cameras in another city and then flag the police so that you stay frosty.

01:34:09.000 They're going to simulate terrorists on the Video feed and not tell you that they're not real, like making it a video game, which then creates the perception of real threats.

01:34:20.000 I mean, this is science fiction style mind control, and I'm sure this thing in Knoxville doesn't go that deep.

01:34:26.000 But, John Sterling, I mean, what is this system?

01:34:29.000 You see something suspicious?

01:34:31.000 I mean, if I see some suspicious looking Arabs with a truck and it looks like explosives in the back, I'm going to do a citizen's arrest or I'm going to go call the police. 1.00

01:34:41.000 I'm not going to go fill out an online form to the government.

01:34:45.000 This is just going to be a huge, huge rumor bucket that's going to be used for warfare monitoring.

01:34:50.000 Think of it as layers of intervention, with each layer being checked or vetted before it goes to the next layer.

01:35:00.000 Reports by citizens of something that they deem to be suspicious will be looked at locally and determine whether there needs to be any other action taken at a higher level.

01:35:12.000 Also understand that when something is reported at the local level, we may not have any knowledge here locally that there are also simultaneously similar events happening elsewhere.

01:35:24.000 So somewhere in the system, Operators are able to detect patterns.

01:35:29.000 No, I know.

01:35:30.000 The NSA runs it through keywords and then the same thing pops up and they see a pattern.

01:35:35.000 So anyway, the network, the Homeland Security Information Network is a component part of what makes all that integrated and puts the reporting mechanism, standardizes the reporting mechanism.

01:35:49.000 Well, John, it comes down to this.

01:35:51.000 I don't trust the government to do that.

01:35:54.000 I've seen the abuse, the enemies list, the rest of it.

01:35:57.000 You get real military intelligence with able danger with Clinton and Bush specifically going, these guys are terrorists and they're told leave them alone.

01:36:04.000 I've interviewed the embassy heads who are like, well these are hijackers. 0.94

01:36:07.000 No, they're part of an anti-terror program.

01:36:08.000 Let them back in.

01:36:09.000 I mean, this is mainstream news.

01:36:11.000 I've interviewed the FBI agents who were told you'll be arrested if you go after You know, the supposed 20th hijacker.

01:36:18.000 I've talked to the, you know, David Shippers, who represents them.

01:36:22.000 I mean, so, so, it's just, again, there's all these well-meaning people like you, who are in there being part of this, and you watch, you mark my words, you're going to see, and I hope you'll come on in a few years when this happens, I hope you don't rationalize it to yourself, this is going to be used, as you said, threats, you know, crime, and I've got articles from around the country where it says fighting crime.

01:36:41.000 It's these new Viper teams, with the TSA, they say they're going to fight terror and crime.

01:36:45.000 And then you said, well, terror isn't a crime.

01:36:47.000 Well, terror is a crime, but it isn't the same as a regular crime, because it has a political use to scare a population or a government into political action.

01:36:59.000 How do you answer that?

01:37:01.000 Those statements that I'm making?

01:37:04.000 Well, fortunately, I am low down on the pipeline, Alex.

01:37:08.000 I don't have to Well, my job is fairly clearly defined.

01:37:19.000 I've got a training mission to deal with producing a labor pool that can integrate into a local industry or local government that's trained in emergency planning, trained in vulnerability assessment, Some of the things that you're talking about are way off the track from where our training is going.

01:37:43.000 Let me give you an example, professor.

01:37:45.000 I mean, I know you know all this.

01:37:46.000 Emergency management centers.

01:37:48.000 They'll go, hey, we'll give the county this whole base.

01:37:50.000 Just let the Army and National Guard move in with you at the same base.

01:37:54.000 We'll put an emergency traffic monitoring system with these federal cameras we put in.

01:37:58.000 And you can use them as dual-use law enforcement.

01:38:01.000 And oh, by the way, the cell phones just so happened by law in 96 to be put in place in 2001.

01:38:07.000 Our live time track, so now we can track everyone just in case we need to.

01:38:11.000 You know, because things have changed since 9-11, though we built this in in 96.

01:38:15.000 Oh, the new transponders going in in Texas and all the cars are going to have a transponder.

01:38:19.000 We're going to double it as toll roads.

01:38:21.000 And the toll roads are going to pay for this.

01:38:23.000 And then you've got federalization, sir.

01:38:25.000 Having the TSA come into local communities and go, you take federal funds, you've got to give us 40 cops, 50 cops.

01:38:32.000 And they're going to have citizens under them, and we're going to be gooning around at the airports.

01:38:36.000 Miami Police, we're going to be going outside the shopping malls and checking all your papers.

01:38:40.000 Meanwhile, the border's wide open.

01:38:42.000 It's classical tyranny, Professor, and you know it is. 0.94

01:38:44.000 If your point is that technology can turn around and bite us in the butt, I couldn't agree more.

01:38:50.000 We have to be cautious about how we use technology.

01:38:53.000 It is not the answer to all of our problems.

01:38:56.000 I absolutely agree with that.

01:38:57.000 Have you been to the local Knoxville Emergency Management Center yet?

01:39:02.000 And what type of federal liaisons are there?

01:39:04.000 I mean, tell me about it.

01:39:06.000 Well, you painted sort of a picture that's accurate.

01:39:09.000 There's a sharing of resources, and at one level, that's very efficient.

01:39:14.000 As a taxpayer, as someone who's concerned about efficiency in government, every person should appreciate efficiency.

01:39:22.000 But again... In Germany, the trains arrived on time, yes?

01:39:25.000 Efficiency can be used as a tool Brother, I got it in the MIT Magazine from last year, and I got the Pentagon Report.

01:39:35.000 They say they designed this secretly with DARPA 20 years ago.

01:39:39.000 This whole thing is a, quote, population control system.

01:39:42.000 I don't need to have the opinion, brother.

01:39:44.000 I've got it from MIT.

01:39:46.000 They made the thing for the Pentagon.

01:39:48.000 These cameras, these sensors, all of it.

01:39:50.000 It has nothing to do with Ketchum, Osama, Al-Siad, Bin Laden.

01:39:57.000 Is it effective, you think, in the Uh, dealing with local crime.

01:40:03.000 Can we, can we be more effective dealing with all types of crime, not just, not just terrorist related crime?

01:40:08.000 There you go, and, and, and so are you, okay, so you're saying when crime's bad we need to use this federally funded grid to fight the evil criminals, meanwhile the government's salivating wanting my guns.

01:40:20.000 What I'm saying is that the, that the tools are becoming available.

01:40:23.000 Now how they are used, uh, as I said, we have to, we always have to exercise caution.

01:40:28.000 And if I'm being lied to about how our resources are being utilized at national levels, then I don't know how to respond to that.

01:40:43.000 I mean, you do the best you can with what you've got.

01:40:45.000 Every one of us is equipped with a certain amount of discretion, a certain amount of discernment.

01:40:51.000 You know, you've got to play the hand you're dealt.

01:40:52.000 I'm innocent until proven guilty, and I don't want the transponders in the inspection sticker, and I don't want them listening to my cell phone following me around.

01:40:59.000 And I agree with you.

01:41:01.000 I personally do not subscribe to technology that has that kind of tracking capability.

01:41:06.000 The problem is it's going to be built in where you don't have a choice.

01:41:10.000 Five states right now, Professor, are moving to put this in the inspection sticker.

01:41:15.000 We had to send people down to the Capitol.

01:41:17.000 I had to go down there.

01:41:18.000 I had to personally fight it, and it failed by two votes.

01:41:21.000 It was going in next year in Texas, and guess what TxDOT did?

01:41:24.000 They went ahead and started a pilot program and ordered two million to the trackers people are going to randomly get.

01:41:28.000 They're just going to do it anyways.

01:41:30.000 I'm just sick of it.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, I'm suspicious of it.

01:41:33.000 I don't believe that technology is the answer to all of our problems.

01:41:37.000 I don't have a problem with the technology.

01:41:38.000 The technology is like a gun or a car.

01:41:40.000 It's a tool or a hammer.

01:41:42.000 But I am against a hammer when somebody wants to beat me over the head with it.

01:41:44.000 So the problem that we have is the people who are in control of the technology.

01:41:49.000 Now, I mean, let's say conservatives all love George Bush.

01:41:51.000 What happens when Hillary's president? 1.00

01:41:53.000 Exactly.

01:41:53.000 Well, I'm not disagreeing with you.

01:41:55.000 That's a great argument.

01:41:56.000 One of the things that conservatives are fond of doing, if their man is in the White House, They're all too willing to give government power to protect us, quote unquote, or solve some social problem, but you're exactly right.

01:42:09.000 Once you've set up the mechanism, we may not have any real control over who's in control next door.

01:42:16.000 So, I agree with you.

01:42:18.000 Well, this is just amazing.

01:42:21.000 Let's take a few calls here.

01:42:23.000 Anything else you'd like to add, Professor?

01:42:25.000 I just want to say that with respect to terrorism and crime, Uh, it truly is a problem at the local level.

01:42:32.000 It's not something that Washington can come in to our local community and quote, fix for us.

01:42:37.000 Well, that's what they're doing.

01:42:38.000 And that's why we're, that's why, that's the great strength, I think, of this Citizens Awareness Program and this Citizens Volunteer Program.

01:42:48.000 It raises their situational awareness.

01:42:51.000 Well, you're one of the main movers in the Governor's Task Force on this.

01:42:54.000 Can you implement, during the training, a Constitution mini-course to maybe just read the Bill of Rights one time?

01:43:01.000 I do.

01:43:02.000 In my classes that we teach at the Community College, the first requirement course, the prerequisite course, lays that philosophical, constitutional foundation.

01:43:14.000 And it's required for every student that enrolls in the program.

01:43:17.000 They have to take this course.

01:43:18.000 Well, here's the problem.

01:43:20.000 You create a vacuum.

01:43:21.000 It's going to be filled.

01:43:22.000 I mean, everywhere.

01:43:24.000 I mean, they're acting like this is going to... Well, I mean, already prisons and law enforcement's the biggest part of our economy.

01:43:28.000 And now a big segment of that's going to be homeland security.

01:43:31.000 There's going to be a... Look, the Cold War is over.

01:43:34.000 They need a new enemy.

01:43:35.000 And now it's terrorism.

01:43:37.000 And they're not going to find a bunch of it on Main Street America, so don't worry.

01:43:41.000 Section 802, everything's terrorism.

01:43:44.000 You know, I know people get pulled over by cops who want to search their car and they go, why?

01:43:47.000 Well, things have changed since 9-11.

01:43:49.000 Things haven't changed.

01:43:49.000 I mean, it looks like a terrorist threat.

01:43:51.000 It's this horrible threat.

01:43:52.000 I'm not going to give up my way of life because there's a terrorist threat.

01:43:55.000 I mean, I'm just not going to do it.

01:43:57.000 This isn't America if we don't have this Bill of Rights and Constitution.

01:43:59.000 Look, cars kill more than anything else in this country.

01:44:02.000 We don't stop driving cars because they're going to kill us.

01:44:06.000 You are 390 times more likely to die in the western world from a car accident than you are from terrorism.

01:44:14.000 Professor, that just came out.

01:44:16.000 And so I'm just not, I'm just not afraid of it.

01:44:19.000 Meanwhile, sir, we have real terrorism.

01:44:21.000 You know, I see the President criticize the Minutemen who sit there in lawn chairs and videotape and call the police and have spy glasses on the border, where we really need what you're doing, where we really need programs like this.

01:44:34.000 We have 800 dead in the last 11 and a half months in Texas.

01:44:37.000 We have the U.S.

01:44:37.000 mission closing, the State Department saying it's more dangerous Then Israel's West Bank per capita.

01:44:43.000 We have car bombs going off in Texas, machine gunning of police, over 15 dead cops this year so far from Mexican Las Zetas paramilitary gangs, and because the federal government wants to keep it quiet and wants amnesty, brother, we've had about three news stories on it in Texas, and the label Laredo is shutting down, a huge tourist town.

01:45:01.000 Now let me tell you, that's a real terrorist threat, and there isn't anything being done about it.

01:45:06.000 Well, I appreciate the volunteers who do give up their time and resources to help report it.

01:45:12.000 What happens after it's reported, again, those decisions are made beyond our pay grade.

01:45:17.000 And then Bush criticizes them, but he wants to have you guys running around in Knoxville doing something even more complex.

01:45:25.000 Well, I have to say, based on the training that we offered yesterday, there's nothing very complex about it.

01:45:31.000 It's an opportunity to report any suspicious activity.

01:45:36.000 I'm just saying filing reports into an NSA database, upload dump site, raw intel is a lot more complex than people going, I spot 14 illegals coming across the fence.

01:45:46.000 It's still reporting a suspicious activity or criminal activity.

01:45:51.000 And like I said, it's filtered or screened.

01:45:54.000 You say suspicious, we know it's criminal on the border.

01:45:58.000 Well, let's take some calls, Professor.

01:45:59.000 I'm just trying to get you to get into our mindset, so you know why we're upset about this, why we're concerned.

01:46:05.000 I mean, look, I got video, I got photos of the Alabama Defense Force just randomly searching three-year-old children going into a downtown city.

01:46:12.000 It has nothing to do with anything.

01:46:13.000 Concern is good, and citizens need to be involved.

01:46:16.000 They need to be involved politically.

01:46:19.000 I mean, we do the best we can.

01:46:20.000 Well, I just know this, Professor.

01:46:23.000 Some pot-bellied person in a uniform better not try to search me when I'm going to a football game.

01:46:28.000 And they better not do it just randomly on the street corner.

01:46:31.000 I mean, that isn't America.

01:46:33.000 Come on! 0.61

01:46:35.000 I mean, do you see that growing in Knoxville to that point?

01:46:38.000 Well, as I said, there's a growing... As I'm old enough now to see younger people coming into these positions of authority, I'm seeing, to me, a kind of a scary Trend or tendency and that is people that do what they're told rather that they don't think independently.

01:46:58.000 I guess the bottom line is I'm seeing an awful lot of younger people in authority who lack independent thinking skills. 0.96

01:47:04.000 Well it's just ridiculous plus they say don't profile as if it's fair we're going to violate everyone which is it's like if a black guy robs a bank you don't go look for an old white lady or a white guy robs a bank you don't go look for an old black man. 0.99

01:47:18.000 This is ridiculous. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Let's talk to Mike. 1.00

01:47:21.000 Mike in Chicago, you're on the air with the professor.

01:47:24.000 Go ahead.

01:47:25.000 How are you?

01:47:26.000 Hey professor, you know, the fact that you're a professor and I appreciate the fact that we have good guys in there doing what they're doing.

01:47:33.000 Doesn't this bother you?

01:47:35.000 Don't you see that throughout history we've seen this happen time and time and time and time and time and time again and the original intentions fantastic but it never works out right it never works out like it sold to the people to begin with and it always fails and falls apart and turns into this despotic rule of you know absolute hearing and and And yet, for some odd reason, we're all still going to follow along like good little lemmings.

01:47:59.000 Well, we all aren't, Mike.

01:48:01.000 And clearly, the audience that tunes into this radio show is made up of people who are suspicious of some of these things.

01:48:09.000 There's a lot of people that are suspicious of some of these things.

01:48:12.000 It's really... I mean, we want to say that, yeah, you know what?

01:48:16.000 The model of increased security and cameras and all this is going to work.

01:48:20.000 Yet we had 14 bombings in 7 days, or 7 bombings in 14 days in London, and they've got more cameras and more security than almost anybody else.

01:48:27.000 Well, did you hear me tell Alex that I believe technology is not the answer today?

01:48:32.000 I understand that and I can appreciate that, but we're still, you're asking the entire population, most of which can't even name their congressman, to try and take responsibility to make sure that this doesn't fall into the wrong hands the next election or the election after that.

01:48:46.000 You leave a carrot out there like this, you're going to have somebody who's ambitious and knows that most people are just taking and putting their absolute faith in our government.

01:48:55.000 They're going to turn around and go, well hey, now's the time for me to grab it.

01:48:58.000 They'll come up with a great story, everybody will follow right along with it because the lack of thinking proves that the education system's working.

01:49:05.000 They just follow along.

01:49:06.000 It's absolutely guaranteed.

01:49:08.000 That's where we're headed, and we can't deny this.

01:49:10.000 We've seen this so many times throughout history, and yet we're still going to stand... This is Caesar crossing the Rubicon, Professor.

01:49:19.000 Well, as I said, I've been a law enforcement officer, I've been in the military, I have a chance to practice law.

01:49:24.000 I have chosen education because that's where I feel I can personally make the biggest contribution.

01:49:28.000 Well, I'll just say this, guys like you are smart and good people, but I'll tell you this, because I can read you, because you're an honest person, and obviously an intelligent professor.

01:49:35.000 You've got a blind spot, though, because you aren't a bad person, and you are a warrior who has an instinctive need to defend people.

01:49:44.000 An instinctive need to teach.

01:49:45.000 You are naive about the nature of the people that are in control of this government.

01:49:49.000 We'll be right back.

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01:52:48.000 Thank you.

01:53:05.000 It's been an amazing interview.

01:53:06.000 We appreciate him coming on while we preach at him.

01:53:08.000 And he's certainly good at public relations, but I think he genuinely believes what he's saying.

01:53:12.000 And it's just good to know there's folks like him in the system, even if I disagree with what's happening, and we're going to fight it.

01:53:17.000 Let's take another call, sir.

01:53:19.000 Let's talk to Don in Kansas City, who wants to talk to you.

01:53:22.000 Don, you're on the air with the professor.

01:53:24.000 Hey Alex, thank you.

01:53:25.000 Professor, I think essentially what the Founding Fathers thought was that the worst crime is organized crime, and the worst organized crime is when it goes into government.

01:53:35.000 America can operate with impunity under the color of law and write corruption right into the laws.

01:53:41.000 All they need at that point is just to manufacture an enemy or a crisis or something to serve as an excuse to just spend billions and billions of our money.

01:53:51.000 Now, back in 9-11, they claimed that the whole world changed because 19 Arabs attacked our country, but the whole trend and the whole shift is toward targeting Americans I don't, I can't recall any terrorist attacks of any significance happening in this country by Americans since the batting of the Weathermen back in 1970 or so.

01:54:12.000 By the way, Bill Clinton let them out of jail.

01:54:15.000 What, he pardoned like 30 people who committed over 100 bombings?

01:54:19.000 Right.

01:54:20.000 Well, you know, today, Rush Limbaugh, Alex, was saying that the world didn't change in 9-11, it changed with 226 being the first World Trade Center bombing.

01:54:30.000 Well, back then they had a trial over all this about Sheikh, and it turned out they had a Egyptian army officer there.

01:54:36.000 No, no, the FBI cooked the bomb, framed the driver.

01:54:38.000 That's New York Times.

01:54:40.000 And then, oh, we're sorry, we built it for them and told them where to park it.

01:54:44.000 Oh, we're so sorry.

01:54:45.000 And now we get all this funding.

01:54:47.000 Oh, it's so sad.

01:54:49.000 Let me get a comment from the professor.

01:54:50.000 Professor?

01:54:51.000 Well, I agree with Don's premise.

01:54:54.000 The founding fathers warned us against big government.

01:54:59.000 Even well-intentioned government, especially well-intentioned government, needs to be controlled.

01:55:04.000 I'm not finding fault with that.

01:55:07.000 I absolutely embrace the premise of that.

01:55:09.000 But what would you have us do?

01:55:11.000 Would you have us not be involved?

01:55:13.000 Clearly, Alex, you're involved at a number of levels.

01:55:16.000 You're passionate about what you do.

01:55:18.000 You're illuminating.

01:55:20.000 You're bringing light to the subject.

01:55:23.000 That's what we all need to do.

01:55:25.000 We need to walk according to the light we've been shown. 0.99

01:55:28.000 Well, people do need to be involved, and the premise of what you said, that the people are dumb as dirt, and I don't say that from some sardonic view. 0.97

01:55:35.000 I mean, there's a mass of people out there, a sizable group, who are very intelligent and informed, no more than I do, or you do. 0.96

01:55:40.000 But really, it is true, and it goes back to government, federal education, federally written.

01:55:44.000 I mean, these people don't know anything.

01:55:47.000 I mean, nothing.

01:55:48.000 It's like, my dog's smarter.

01:55:51.000 I think we're doomed, period.

01:55:52.000 Again, that just proves the case.

01:55:55.000 We're just going to hell in a handbasket. 1.00

01:55:56.000 Like I said, I'm dealing with a lot of young people that are very ignorant. 1.00

01:56:00.000 They have poorly developed critical thinking skills. 0.98

01:56:03.000 I mean, I can't take on the whole world.

01:56:05.000 I have carved out this little niche, or I have been given this little niche.

01:56:10.000 And I can influence 20, 30, 40 students at a time.

01:56:13.000 And you buy the premise of where the terror is coming from, and we've got to stop it, but I'm telling you.

01:56:17.000 I don't say so much that 9-11... I mean, sometimes in speeches I have said, you know, 9-11 changed things.

01:56:22.000 Really, 9-11 was the symptom of a deeper problem.

01:56:28.000 It's clear that with readily available technology that a very small number of people can wreak havoc on everybody.

01:56:35.000 Well, that's why the elite is worried and wants to set up this world government now to, quote, stop the proliferation.

01:56:40.000 But they're the ones, our elite, I can prove it, Professor, are the ones proliferating it.

01:56:46.000 Well, follow the money, I guess.

01:56:48.000 Okay, well, there you go.

01:56:49.000 Again, the centralized government can't, won't, never will save you.

01:56:52.000 It's like Alberto Gonzales is pro-gun.

01:56:55.000 I mean, anti-gun, 40 to sleep, I wish he was.

01:56:57.000 He openly is anti-gun, and he's pro-gun control.

01:57:04.000 But meanwhile, he doesn't want me to be able to protect myself, but he wants to have tattletale squads everywhere.

01:57:10.000 Well, as I said before, I believe that citizens need to be involved, and I believe that the Second Amendment says what it means, and means what it says, and I think every American ought to be armed.

01:57:20.000 I think that's one of the reasons why America has been spared a lot of the conflict that potentially could have been ours.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, it keeps the bullies off you.

01:57:28.000 Okay, Professor, thanks for coming on with us.

01:57:30.000 I'll come back in the future.

01:57:31.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

01:57:32.000 Bye-bye.

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01:58:06.000 All right, we got this Homeland Security individual on who you can tell is well-meaning but just does not see the big picture.

01:58:20.000 Then we point out all this police state stuff he's involved in and he goes, well you are right about the command centers and I am against that.

01:58:27.000 See, they just don't understand.

01:58:30.000 And he's going to be slowly bathed in this evil and slowly rationalized.

01:58:35.000 Or maybe he'll wake up.

01:58:36.000 Maybe he'll wake up later like so many others have throughout history.

01:58:39.000 Let's try to get through some of your calls that have been holding the longest.

01:58:42.000 We've got Len Spencer coming up to give us an update on the total open border policy being hailed as an anti-illegal alien bill.

01:58:48.000 Total baloney.

01:58:50.000 It's got a few good provisions in it, but those are just sugarcoating on the poison pill.

01:58:54.000 Jeff in New York City.

01:58:57.000 Welcome.

01:58:58.000 Hello.

01:59:01.000 I think maybe we should set up one of those citizen snooping committees up in New Haven, Connecticut.

01:59:07.000 Well, I was going to say that earlier.

01:59:09.000 We need citizen groups to literally spy on the government.

01:59:11.000 That's what the Founding Fathers said.

01:59:13.000 We need local government watch groups in every city.

01:59:17.000 That's what you need.

01:59:18.000 Statistically, government's the most dangerous.

01:59:20.000 The caller earlier was pure gold.

01:59:23.000 He said, Founding Fathers knew organized crime was the biggest threat and government's the biggest organized crime.

01:59:27.000 Period.

01:59:29.000 Outside of Stone and Bones headquarters up there at the tomb is where we need it.

01:59:34.000 I got a couple things about C-SPAN, if you got a minute.

01:59:37.000 Yes, sir.

01:59:38.000 Washington Journal this morning had Senator Mark Dayton on, a Democrat, who was downplaying, I believe, Nancy Pelosi's comments about possible impeachment that she gave this morning.

01:59:51.000 He was out there downplaying it, which would seem odd from a Democrat, if it wasn't for the admission that he made in the beginning That he is from the same fraternity at Yale as Bush, who was president of the fraternity a year ahead of him.

02:00:06.000 So I'd imagine that he's skull and bones.

02:00:08.000 They didn't come out and say skull and bones, but put two and two together.

02:00:13.000 Well, it's really, you ought to put that in an email and send that to me.

02:00:16.000 That's very interesting.

02:00:17.000 But look, This is what they've always done, Jeff.

02:00:21.000 Pelosi came out and said, let's not be anti-war.

02:00:24.000 She said in a memo that lets part of us be anti-war and the other part not be.

02:00:28.000 It's pure politics.

02:00:31.000 They all voted for the war, 99% on when it really counted.

02:00:38.000 Now that it's window dressing, but look, when the people wake up and get mad and 70 plus percent are against the war, 71%, what did you see?

02:00:46.000 Hillary, Bill Clinton, Schumer, Uh, all of them.

02:00:51.000 Of course, Hillary and Bill met at Yale, didn't they?

02:00:54.000 Exactly, but we saw them.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, there's a lot of secret members of Scalabones.

02:00:57.000 They all ran and jumped on the other end of the seesaw trying to keep us from being able to get control. 0.92

02:01:03.000 And, you know, Lieberman and Kissinger just out of the woodwork, all these roaches.

02:01:08.000 appeared and just all these Democrats going, "Oh, we need to love Bush. 0.63

02:01:12.000 He's so good.

02:01:14.000 Oh." And then suddenly Democrats went, "Well, I worship Bill Clinton.

02:01:17.000 I guess the war is good, Bill Clinton." Bill Clinton has been a government agent since he got out of high school.

02:01:23.000 He was tapped by the Bushes for that staged election in '92.

02:01:27.000 I didn't know that kind of stuff until I heard you, I believe you called into Washington Journal sometime a couple days after 9/11, 2001.

02:01:36.000 You heard listeners plugging me, I've never been allowed on.

02:01:39.000 Okay, well, somebody did, and that's how I found out about your website was on there.

02:01:42.000 That's just a good thing about C-SPAN.

02:01:45.000 I got a couple more things about C-SPAN, though.

02:01:48.000 On Friday, I got through and talked to Brian Lamb.

02:01:50.000 I've gotten through several times.

02:01:52.000 I've spoken to Arlen Specter.

02:01:53.000 You need to plug InfoWars or Prison Planet when you do.

02:01:56.000 Well, that's what I did.

02:01:57.000 Oh, you're so good!

02:01:58.000 I asked my question to the guest, and then Brian has a book out that he... I was in the contest they had for viewer call-ins, the essay contest, and he sent me a free book, and I read just a little bit of it.

02:02:11.000 But he had a story in there about how when he was at Chester Arthur's tomb in Albany, he jumped the fence and snuck in there, and I said, well, Brian, if you're brave enough to do that, you should be brave enough to have Alex Jones on the show.

02:02:25.000 What did he say?

02:02:26.000 He just smiled and gave the question to the guest.

02:02:28.000 I got another thing for you, Brian.

02:02:30.000 Stay there.

02:02:30.000 I'll let you finish up when we get back.

02:02:32.000 And then we've got Glenn Spencer.

02:02:34.000 Just finish up quick when we get back because Glenn Spencer is a busy guy.

02:02:37.000 Update you on this new bill, this new legislation.

02:02:40.000 Oh, the border problem is going to be fixed.

02:02:41.000 Total baloney.

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02:06:07.000 Alright, Scott, Chris, David, many others that are patiently holding, we're gonna go to your calls in the shower.

02:06:13.000 Glenn Spencer is with us to analyze this bill that's got some sugar coating in it.

02:06:17.000 It's got a fence, it's got a little more funding for the Border Patrol that's really been debilitated.

02:06:21.000 But, Press is openly saying they're going to add the guest worker total amnesty plan into it that Bush has been pushing for five years.

02:06:28.000 So we'll give you an update on what's really going on with all of that.

02:06:32.000 Bush has sworn he'd never sign one of these bills that would really do something about our hemorrhaging country.

02:06:38.000 But now, because Republicans are panicking, That they're all going to be removed from office.

02:06:42.000 I mean, it's going to be devastating.

02:06:45.000 Bush is saying he may sign it, which I don't believe for a minute.

02:06:48.000 You know, he's just a congenital liar, but the point that we're having to force him to come down to the border and grandstand and run around and act like he's going to do something is a positive sign.

02:06:59.000 Very, very positive. 0.95

02:07:01.000 Bring our troops home, put them on the borders, and give me a break. 0.81

02:07:04.000 Real fast, We were talking to Jeff in New York.

02:07:07.000 Jeff, finish up the point you were making about Brian Lamb and C-SPAN.

02:07:10.000 Okay, well, I wanted to move on to another thing.

02:07:11.000 I'm from this little town in upstate New York called Skinny Atlas.

02:07:14.000 During the 2000 campaign cycle, Bill and Hillary Clinton vacationed here as an obvious stunt for her Senate campaign.

02:07:21.000 They'd been here a few years before that.

02:07:23.000 I met them during that time.

02:07:25.000 They were nice.

02:07:26.000 I met them at the airport.

02:07:27.000 They were fine.

02:07:28.000 I got some video of that.

02:07:29.000 But the odd part of the story is when Rick Lazio, who was competing with Hillary for the Senate that year, He came to Skinny Atlas a few weeks later, and his crew, just me down there with my video camera on public property, threatened me, they brandished firearms on me trying to intimidate me, they tried to have the local police arrest me, they had some children of the local Republican Party leaders harassing me in the streets while they were trying to film a campaign commercial for Lazio.

02:07:59.000 And at one point, he sent out his, uh, someone to take pictures of me.

02:08:03.000 They took a lot of pictures of me that day.

02:08:05.000 Well, it shows, it shows their arrogant attitude. 1.00

02:08:07.000 A lot of these politicians are just completely crazy. 0.94

02:08:10.000 I found out on C-SPAN, in a Christopher Hitchens speech that they gave, that Henry Kissinger, he was mocking Henry Kissinger for how low he'd think. 0.91

02:08:18.000 Henry Kissinger was working on Lazio's campaign that year, he said.

02:08:23.000 Well, Henry Kissinger's a real piece of work.

02:08:25.000 You find him all over the place.

02:08:26.000 Thank you so much for the call.

02:08:28.000 Interesting stories there.

02:08:30.000 Alright, let's go to Glenn Spencer, who I really appreciate coming on the broadcast today.

02:08:35.000 I tried this morning to do some research on this bill, and I saw they were trying to add all the poison to it.

02:08:41.000 It looked pretty good on the face of it, but they've done this, what, three other times, where they get a good bill, and then they get everybody behind it, and then right at the last minute they tag a bunch of, oh, we're going to control the illegals after we totally legalize them.

02:08:51.000 You know, they'll create a bill that does something, not enough, but something, and then again they'll add, you know, we've got a bill against murder, but we're going to legalize murder after we pass this bill.

02:09:01.000 Glenn Spencer, AmericanPatrol.com, one of the leading, not the leading, expert on research and tracking all of this, lives now right there on the border with our command base, tracking all this in Arizona.

02:09:12.000 Glenn, what's really going on?

02:09:14.000 Well, what's going on is, Alex, after all of the years of you pounding on these guys, they're starting to cave in!

02:09:23.000 After all, you have some influence here.

02:09:26.000 Every single listener does win.

02:09:29.000 The listeners do.

02:09:30.000 I know that, but I mean, you've been pounding on this for years.

02:09:33.000 And a lot of other people have, not with the effectiveness possibly, but Congress is beginning to feel it.

02:09:41.000 When Jim Gilchrist actually won the election on Election Day in California as an Independent in a Republican stronghold, Sure, the absentee ballots cost him the election, but on election day, Jim Gilchrist got more votes than anybody else in Orange County in California.

02:10:03.000 He started the Minuteman Project, and we supported him all the way.

02:10:07.000 That put the fear of God and the American people in the hearts of these Republicans in Congress.

02:10:14.000 In other words, when they feel the heat, they see the light.

02:10:19.000 Well that's why they're rushing to put in these fraudulent voting machines where the poll shows a pro border person is going to win and then magically they lose with these special machines.

02:10:27.000 I think it's clear from what I've seen that Gilchrist really won and there was some hanky-panky going on.

02:10:32.000 Well he got more votes on election day when the people who went to the polls, physically went to the polls, he came out number one.

02:10:41.000 But the fraud so many times is what I'm saying.

02:10:42.000 But we don't know what these absentee ballots, who they're coming from.

02:10:46.000 Uh, if you count it now, there were more absentee ballots than actual Election Day physical ballots.

02:10:54.000 But this put the fear of God... He came from nowhere!

02:10:57.000 In six months!

02:10:59.000 Yeah, he needs to run again.

02:11:00.000 Yeah!

02:11:01.000 And then you have Colby here in Arizona, who... Remember Bob Dorn?

02:11:06.000 Remember Bob Dorn and how he played ball with them and the Republicans flushed him down the toilet?

02:11:10.000 That's correct!

02:11:12.000 And he got all these millions of dollars For these Mexican nationalists, they repaid him by throwing him out of office.

02:11:29.000 He got them like 30 million dollars.

02:11:32.000 And they were open borders illegal alien advocates.

02:11:37.000 And when they had that hearing down there, I went down and gave a speech outside the auditorium where the hearing was being held, and I was asked to come in and then testify.

02:11:45.000 And I testified in the voter fraud hearing for Robert Dornan.

02:11:49.000 And a lot of people think that in the Bob Dornan-Sanchez race, they investigated voting by illegal aliens.

02:11:56.000 They never did that.

02:11:58.000 They never investigated that.

02:12:00.000 They investigated voting by people who were in the process of becoming citizens but voted early.

02:12:07.000 Because they were naturalized.

02:12:08.000 I remember watching, I remember it was clear of election fraud, I remember going and watching Bob Dornan on C-SPAN, he went in before the House and he begged them to have a hearing, he begged them to do something about the election and they just laughed at him.

02:12:23.000 They had a hearing!

02:12:25.000 They had a hearing, it was a whitewash!

02:12:27.000 I was part of it, I testified.

02:12:30.000 But I also, since I testified before a House task force, it was an official House committee, as a witness, you can then, you have five days in which to revise and extend your remarks, just like they do in the House of Representatives.

02:12:45.000 So I put into the Congressional record all of the evidence that Mexico was invading the United States with hostile intent, a conquest of Aztlan.

02:12:53.000 Well, I mean, we have the TV stations, 600-and-something billboards going, this is Mexico, we're taking over. 1.00

02:12:59.000 We have the radio stations call the invasion, the takeover.

02:13:02.000 And Washington just loves it.

02:13:04.000 They love the breakup of America.

02:13:05.000 It's part of the globalist plan.

02:13:07.000 Well, you know, you're right.

02:13:09.000 They want to have essentially one world government.

02:13:12.000 The people in Washington think they're going to run it.

02:13:14.000 They're wrong.

02:13:15.000 But the people in New York and the stockbrokers think they're going to run it.

02:13:19.000 They're wrong.

02:13:20.000 We're going to lose the Southwest if they keep this up.

02:13:23.000 But this bill, let me tell you something, I think that we've been yelling for years down here on the board of the kind of technology that needs to be used.

02:13:32.000 Almost each and every item that we have brought up in the past is included in this bill.

02:13:38.000 The use of unmanned aerial vehicles.

02:13:40.000 Well you went, what was it, about a year ago and had a big meeting with some top elites in Washington.

02:13:44.000 Even some of the elites are starting to balk at killing America.

02:13:49.000 And look, Latin America is doubling its population every 20-30 years.

02:13:52.000 I mean, folks, we have got to build a 500-foot wall with fire breathing dragons on it, or we're all going to be a third-world country.

02:13:58.000 I mean, we're going to be living in Mexico City standards.

02:14:01.000 Well, just let's understand, you have something passed pretty substantially, a pretty substantial minority, majority, passed a bill that put bills a wall.

02:14:11.000 At least 700 miles of it.

02:14:14.000 That makes it a felony to enter the United States illegally.

02:14:18.000 Uh, that, that, uh...

02:14:20.000 If you have an Employer Eligibility Verification System, that they have to check the Social Security number.

02:14:25.000 This has been almost impossible to get through the Congress.

02:14:28.000 Well, yeah, citizens have to go through the whole National ID Card thing that's already in place, but the illegals... Well, no, all they have to do is they have to verify that a person's Social Security number is valid. 0.50

02:14:37.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:14:38.000 Citizens have to do that, but the illegals always get the wink and the nod. 1.00

02:14:41.000 Well, no, but this time they have to have a valid Social Security number.

02:14:45.000 Now, how good is this fence?

02:14:47.000 I mean, is it double-sided with the tack dogs?

02:14:50.000 Well, you could have it like you have it probably in San Diego, a little bit bigger, but that San Diego fence works.

02:14:55.000 Go down and talk to the people down there.

02:14:58.000 The double fence with a 150 foot wide road down the center of it, and then they have a big fence in the back that goes up and has a return.

02:15:06.000 Very difficult to cross.

02:15:08.000 That's what we need.

02:15:09.000 Oh yeah!

02:15:10.000 I mean, listen, Glenn, you know about it.

02:15:12.000 South Texas is shutting down.

02:15:13.000 I mean, it's on our news all the way to Laredo.

02:15:16.000 No more terrorism falling apart.

02:15:17.000 People are begging for the terrorism.

02:15:20.000 The job market's falling apart in Texas.

02:15:22.000 Hundreds dead.

02:15:23.000 Rocket attacks.

02:15:24.000 U.S.

02:15:24.000 mission closed.

02:15:25.000 I mean, I don't think people in the rest of the country realize the war you talked about has already started here.

02:15:30.000 Well, there's no question about it.

02:15:33.000 I mean, and now Mexico is screaming bloody murder over this thing?

02:15:37.000 Uh, the question though, it's been passed by the House of Representatives and now it has to be debated in the Senate after the first of the year.

02:15:46.000 The fear is that the Senate will water it down and then add a provision to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

02:15:55.000 And then the fear is That it'll go back to the House, they will balk at doing that, and then nothing will happen.

02:16:03.000 Well, yeah, it's a stalemate poison pill.

02:16:05.000 That's correct.

02:16:06.000 And then who wins if nothing happens?

02:16:09.000 Mexico.

02:16:10.000 Because if nothing happens, these people still flood in here and nothing happens.

02:16:13.000 Well, I've got a reporter who refers to saying he's going to have the President's guest worker program, which is total capitulation.

02:16:20.000 That is a poison pill.

02:16:22.000 The House will never go for it.

02:16:25.000 So it'll kill the legislation.

02:16:27.000 So we need to contact, uh, we need to contact Mr. Scammer.

02:16:33.000 We need to contact Mr. Frist.

02:16:34.000 Oh yes, that's correct.

02:16:36.000 This has got to be, we have to put so much pressure on this Senate and we're going to be doing it here.

02:16:41.000 I'm going to be, I have a man who is going to take a report that I'm working on right now.

02:16:46.000 It's on my computer right now.

02:16:48.000 I've been working on it all morning.

02:16:49.000 I'm working on it until January 4th.

02:16:51.000 It's going to be in a DVD format.

02:16:53.000 And it's going to reveal what really goes on at the border.

02:16:56.000 Now, it's going to contain secret information.

02:16:59.000 I cannot let the public see this.

02:17:02.000 Because if it were made public, it would jeopardize the effectiveness of the Border Patrol.

02:17:07.000 Because I'm using information from agents who, if found out they were giving me this information... They'd be fired.

02:17:15.000 They would be fired.

02:17:18.000 Well, we had the Border Patrol Head Union Chief on talking about that.

02:17:22.000 And he said it's part of a world government.

02:17:24.000 They've been told just America's dying, folks.

02:17:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:27.000 Bonner turned on.

02:17:29.000 He was brought off.

02:17:30.000 I don't know how.

02:17:31.000 Oh, really?

02:17:32.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:17:34.000 He said defense won't work.

02:17:35.000 He wants a guest worker program.

02:17:37.000 Maybe they gave him an offer he couldn't refuse.

02:17:39.000 No question about it.

02:17:41.000 Somebody got to him.

02:17:42.000 All right, we'll be right back.

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02:21:55.000 We're talking to Glenn Spence here because we're coming up to the next segment.

02:21:58.000 AmericanPatrol.com is a powerful website, American Border Patrol is their organization.

02:22:02.000 He's a documentary filmmaker, has an amazing website over many years, and has been on the front lines, just one of the grandfathers of this movement.

02:22:11.000 I started out in Native American Affairs helping Native Americans and doing a lot of good things for the community and just saw a group of people in California going, we're going to kill you, this is our country, ha ha ha.

02:22:21.000 I'm not kidding folks, with huge signs and pictures of white people's heads cut off and Lynn said, you know what, I'm going to do something about this. 0.95

02:22:28.000 But it's all financed out of Washington, it's all a big sick joke.

02:22:31.000 Glenn, Bush right now is saying he will sign this if it goes to him, but what I'm hearing is that, well, I've heard national talk show hosts go, President Bush is doing a good job in the Southwest, he's in Texas, he's going to deal with the illegal alien problem, we've got to get his plan passed.

02:22:48.000 Why, that'll fix the problem.

02:22:51.000 So they're trying to do a bait and switch on us.

02:22:53.000 How do we stop that from happening?

02:22:55.000 Well, you have to understand that the That this bill is not going to go to his desk until it goes through the Senate, right?

02:23:03.000 It's got to go to the Senate, and they've got to make amendments and do other things to it.

02:23:08.000 And by the time they're finished with it, then it has to go back to a House-Senate conference.

02:23:14.000 And what they're going to try to do, his aim is to slap on this amnesty, which is what it really is, a guest worker program, to legalize 15 million people in it, it'll eventually be 40 million, to legalize them all, As part of this comprehensive deal.

02:23:30.000 So this thing is going to then go back to the House, and that there is, if they sell us out, there's going to be a revolution in this country.

02:23:39.000 I will tell you that.

02:23:40.000 If the House of Representatives agrees to an amnesty program that would cover eventually half of Mexico, there's going to be serious trouble in this country.

02:23:48.000 So I believe his strategy is to push it over into the Senate, put a poison pill in it, Send it over back to the house and nothing happens.

02:23:58.000 And then just have status quo.

02:24:00.000 Now, let's assume just for a moment, however, that by some miracle, right, or his other strategy might be, okay, I will pass this without a guest worker program.

02:24:14.000 And then six months later, come back and say, well, we took care of the border, didn't we?

02:24:18.000 Now we can have a guest worker program.

02:24:20.000 And that's something they do.

02:24:21.000 They can pass something and then to the bureaucracy, not implement it or enforce it.

02:24:26.000 That's correct.

02:24:27.000 And one of the things that American Border Patrol is, one of the reasons we're here, is to report directly to the American people what's actually going on at the border.

02:24:37.000 But, Glenn, what's made the worm turn, though, is you and others testifying and going and talking to these big establishment groups.

02:24:44.000 They're sick of it, even though they're rich and powerful and they know it's all part of the global plan.

02:24:48.000 They're seeing it killing their country.

02:24:50.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:24:51.000 It's everywhere now.

02:24:52.000 There's not a state that is untouched by a serious problem of illegal immigration.

02:24:57.000 So, I mean, isn't that really where we're starting to get the initiative as well?

02:25:00.000 Absolutely.

02:25:00.000 We just don't have... More people are being impacted.

02:25:03.000 But I will tell you, I've been at this for 14 years, full-time, seven days a week.

02:25:08.000 And the other side is extremely powerful and determined.

02:25:12.000 I mean, these are like al-Qaeda terrorists, the other side.

02:25:16.000 They'll do anything.

02:25:18.000 And so, this is far from over.

02:25:21.000 Well, Glenn, I haven't had you on since I went to the Desisays Parade.

02:25:24.000 And I just went there because I knew some basically Hispanic Ku Klux Klan groups were going to be there.

02:25:30.000 And sure enough, they were wearing shirts playing a San Diego.

02:25:33.000 And then I started researching it and I found out that there's big groups promoting it right now online, killing every white man above the age of 16.

02:25:41.000 And then I had local civil rights groups go, well, they're downtrodden, so what if they talk about killing you, Alex? 0.91

02:25:47.000 Don't say it's bad or you're racist.

02:25:48.000 I'm not kidding you.

02:25:50.000 There were actual civil rights local commission newspapers and things that were saying, well, Alex is right, they are saying plan of San Diego, but, you know, what's... and they actually said that's okay! 0.99

02:25:59.000 Just lay down and let people kill you!

02:26:03.000 Well, you know, if Shakespeare says all's well that ends well, this thing is not going to end well. 0.98

02:26:09.000 When you have the Catholic Church in Mexico, the Catholic Church spokesman, the official spokesman, saying that this bill is, quote, a triumph of the ideals of Hitler, he is calling the House of Representatives of the United States a bunch of Nazis.

02:26:28.000 Now, what do you think... By the way, the plan of San Diego was actually promoted by the Germans, so that's actually Nazi, but I'm sorry, go ahead. 0.85

02:26:34.000 Well, the point is that if the Mexicans now believe That the people of the United States are a bunch of Nazis?

02:26:43.000 What should happen to the people of the United States? 1.00

02:26:45.000 They should be exterminated! 1.00

02:26:49.000 Well, I mean, that's what these groups say, I mean, huh? 1.00

02:26:51.000 That's what they're saying!

02:26:52.000 I mean, the Catholic Church, uh, is that Messicchio Treveso Bencomo of the Catholic Church spokesman said that this bill was a triumph of the ideals of Hitler! 0.79

02:27:05.000 He's saying the leadership of the Congress of the United States are a bunch of Nazis!

02:27:10.000 Yeah, I don't think the Catholic Church in the U.S. 0.56

02:27:12.000 should put up with that.

02:27:14.000 Well, there's a lot that we could say.

02:27:17.000 By the way, may I say something real quick?

02:27:19.000 Yeah, say it when we get back.

02:27:20.000 Can you stay with us?

02:27:21.000 Sure.

02:27:21.000 Yeah, I want to hear it when we get back.

02:27:23.000 Stay with us, Glenn Spencer.

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02:30:41.000 God, John, Chris, we're going to be taking your calls.

02:30:50.000 I'm not going to keep Glenn Spencer too much longer because he's a very busy man.

02:30:53.000 AmericanPatrol.com.

02:30:55.000 Glenn, you were trying to say something when we hit that last break.

02:30:59.000 We might have some fun one of these days if you're interested.

02:31:01.000 You know, we have a new BorderHawk M border vehicle.

02:31:05.000 It's a Cessna TU-206 that I fly on the border.

02:31:10.000 And we have a crew of two in the back. 0.88

02:31:12.000 It's really a A skydiving airplane which has cargo doors you can take off and fly.

02:31:19.000 And I've got a crew of two and cameras and an intelligence officer.

02:31:22.000 And we fly around the border and send live, now we just did this last week, live streaming video and audio over the internet.

02:31:32.000 And if sometime you'd like to do a program, I can actually do an interview from the airplane.

02:31:37.000 Oh, I'd love to do that!

02:31:39.000 And we can show you live on the internet.

02:31:42.000 You have to have broadband.

02:31:43.000 You can sit there in just TV quality color.

02:31:47.000 We can talk on the... And instead of like Skywatch traffic, we'll have illegal alien invaders on the news watch.

02:31:53.000 Absolutely.

02:31:55.000 And I can take you on a tour of the entire border down here in the knockout sector and show you how they do it.

02:32:00.000 Well, here's the incredible thing, Len.

02:32:02.000 We have this Homeland Security gentleman on who's setting up the whole university down there in Knoxville with 14 classes and running it locally with these local squads to watch everyone and look for crime and terror.

02:32:14.000 But meanwhile, the border's totally wide open and the President calls the Minutemen vigilantes who are sitting in lawn chairs, calling the police.

02:32:21.000 That's right.

02:32:22.000 I mean, it's just, it's a joke, isn't it?

02:32:24.000 Well, yeah, but, see, what we're equipping ourselves to do now, and once again, this is a major breakthrough for us.

02:32:31.000 You'll be able to sit there and watch on your TV, on your streaming video, live, as it happens.

02:32:38.000 And we'll be, and we've spotted illegal aliens.

02:32:41.000 We can show you, probably go up and show you how they come into Mexico, and the probability is we'll find one of these vans that drives up, we'll show you where they drop them off, and where they cross.

02:32:51.000 Now, we can't guarantee that if we're on for an hour that we're going to see something during that hour.

02:32:56.000 There's a chance that we would.

02:32:58.000 But we're going to be flying Sunday night.

02:33:03.000 Most of it goes on at night, right?

02:33:05.000 Well, we fly during the day, too.

02:33:08.000 Right now it's really slow because of Christmas.

02:33:11.000 It always slows down.

02:33:13.000 Let's do that in a month or so, in the New Year.

02:33:16.000 Glenn, that's a real honor for you to offer to do that.

02:33:19.000 Let's have you on and then we'll stream it right off the web, the audio of the video, or we can have you via cell phone up in the helicopter and talk to us while we stream another feed.

02:33:28.000 I'd love to do that and that's all at AmericanPatrol.com.

02:33:33.000 I'm about to go, Deb.

02:33:34.000 American Border Patrol, American Patrol is my slash and burn, take no prisoners website.

02:33:39.000 But American Border Patrol, which I run, is a non-profit corporation.

02:33:45.000 We don't get involved in that, it doesn't get involved in politics.

02:33:48.000 But you can download software there, it's called the BorderCam software, and you can download it, and then what happens is you get a little flag that appears on your screen, your computer screen, when we're up sending video from the airplane.

02:34:01.000 Ooh, I need to get that on my website!

02:34:03.000 Could I have a link, a permanent link on my website?

02:34:05.000 Oh sure, just go to AmericanBorderPatrol.com And on the right, it says, download the BorderCam software.

02:34:12.000 And then every time it's happening, there'll be a flag on my website and people can click?

02:34:16.000 Yeah, when we're up in the air flying, actually sending... Well, it won't appear on any computer.

02:34:23.000 I don't know if the guys can make it appear on any one, but what happens is your webmaster can figure out how to use it, how to do that.

02:34:33.000 What happens is, you know, when we're up in the air and we're actually sending live video out, and if you've subscribed to this service, a little window will pop up on your screen saying, Oh, we've got to do that.

02:34:46.000 We've got to get a link to over there.

02:34:47.000 And you said you've got a new documentary coming out?

02:34:50.000 Yes.

02:34:52.000 This is using confidential sources of information that I can't even tell you about.

02:34:57.000 But in a whole series of incidents that we've had along the border, I've got one, and I can't tell you all about all of it.

02:35:06.000 I've got the live information.

02:35:09.000 They chased a group about a mile from me.

02:35:12.000 They crossed into the United States, a group of 29.

02:35:14.000 They were spotted by the Predator UAV.

02:35:18.000 They brought in dog units.

02:35:19.000 They brought in two helicopters.

02:35:21.000 They had canine units.

02:35:22.000 They had night vision.

02:35:24.000 This was at night.

02:35:27.000 Ten of them got away.

02:35:31.000 All of the assets and all of the resources, and I go in and I prove how this happened, and I have all the information, I can't tell you how I got it.

02:35:39.000 Ten of them got away!

02:35:40.000 Despite the fact we had all of these things focusing on trying to catch these guys!

02:35:46.000 That's just one of an example, and I go into detail in many, many examples of how It is very, very difficult.

02:35:54.000 You guys also walked up with a simulated nuclear bomb right up to the federal courthouse.

02:36:00.000 You walked from right across the border?

02:36:01.000 Oh yeah, we did it three times.

02:36:04.000 And we documented it with night vision cameras.

02:36:08.000 The latest one, we did it after the Minutemen left, after the Border Patrol had all these new cameras and all this new stuff.

02:36:15.000 I made a DVD out of that, also secret, and it got to Tom Davis, head of the Government Reform Committee.

02:36:20.000 And he just went ballistic, and part of what they learned in there is in the new border bill.

02:36:27.000 We had a tremendous influence.

02:36:29.000 Well, I mean, again, whether it's Knoxville, Tennessee with Tattletail squads walking around, or Atlanta with federal teams walking around shaking down families, it's ridiculous.

02:36:40.000 We'll just randomly line Americans up, whether they're black, white, Hispanic, purple, green, blue.

02:36:45.000 And we're going to randomly search you and raid you and have Miami teams, but we're going to have acing when planes land in Miami and not even look at the IDs of people from third world countries. 0.99

02:36:55.000 That was in the Miami Herald a few years ago.

02:36:57.000 We've proven it.

02:36:58.000 We smuggled that weapon of mass destruction right up to the front door of the federal building.

02:37:02.000 We smuggled it into malls.

02:37:04.000 I'm really shocked that we haven't been blown up yet.

02:37:08.000 There's certainly a piece of cake to get anything across the border, and to get it into Mexico is also very easy.

02:37:12.000 Oh, don't worry.

02:37:13.000 When the right people want to do it to take all our freedoms, it'll magically happen.

02:37:17.000 I agree.

02:37:18.000 Well, Glenn Spencer, I want to thank you again on short notice for checking in with us, and as this develops, please continue to let us check in with you, and we always appreciate your fine work.

02:37:27.000 So coming up, is this going to be in the new year, this big battle, or will this be in the next week?

02:37:32.000 No, it's going to be the next year.

02:37:34.000 In January, it'll hit the Senate.

02:37:36.000 And then the fur will fly when they start changing this bill to try to change it to water it down and include a guest worker program that would most certainly, if passed, destroy this country. 0.99

02:37:48.000 Well, I'll say this.

02:37:49.000 You know, we've got, I say 40 million.

02:37:51.000 You know, a lot of government numbers say 13 to 14 to 30 million.

02:37:54.000 They don't know anywhere in that area.

02:37:56.000 You know, it's a lot more than that because on these censuses, most of these illegals, when they go to a census, how many of you are here?

02:38:01.000 They go, no one.

02:38:02.000 You know, so... Let me just say one last thing.

02:38:06.000 George Bush is a champion of democracy and yet he wants to bring millions of people into this country to work who have no right to vote here.

02:38:16.000 Think about that.

02:38:16.000 Well, they want to use it to leverage out all of our jobs, no matter what color we are.

02:38:20.000 Yeah, and he wants all of these disenfranchised people who cannot participate in a democracy, he wants those as the backbone of our labor force.

02:38:28.000 And they'll also weigh down, they've already bankrupted California and Arizona.

02:38:32.000 No, that's, there's no question about that.

02:38:34.000 The social worker.

02:38:35.000 He's the champion of democracy, he wants to bring in people who cannot vote. 0.99

02:38:39.000 That's crazy.

02:38:40.000 Well, that's why they love Mexico, because they're total slaves down there. 0.99

02:38:44.000 But, Glenn, finish up what I'm saying.

02:38:46.000 You know, at least we're forcing a bill in there that does the right thing.

02:38:50.000 Even if they're going to try to put amnesty on it, we know that we fight it right.

02:38:52.000 Just having to publicly acquiesce and stop saying that, you know, that these bills are bad.

02:38:57.000 Having to give lip service now, and even though we're in a stalemate, while they still spill it, at least they're not getting...

02:39:03.000 Well, there's still billions flooding in.

02:39:05.000 It'll be a fait accompli in about five years.

02:39:07.000 There'll be nothing we can do about it.

02:39:09.000 Well, I don't get why with a lot of these illegals coming in, why wave the Mexican flag? 1.00

02:39:12.000 Why say America's bad?

02:39:13.000 Why say you're going to take over?

02:39:15.000 What is there to take over? 0.87

02:39:16.000 You're just going to be peons. 0.96

02:39:17.000 You're like your parents.

02:39:19.000 I mean, you know, you've got people coming across the border with a third grade education, so what do you expect? 0.99

02:39:24.000 In some cases, they're smarter than the average Americans, or really dumb down there. 0.95

02:39:29.000 But I mean, seriously, big corporate money, all these white-owned companies, and that's who owns these. 0.99

02:39:33.000 You know, this is your country, take over, get the white people. 0.99

02:39:36.000 And it's old white men running the companies. 0.89

02:39:38.000 I mean, why do they want that, Glenn?

02:39:39.000 Well, they don't believe it.

02:39:40.000 You know, they don't believe that.

02:39:43.000 They just know it's a nice sales tactic to say, hey, this is Mexico.

02:39:45.000 money.

02:39:46.000 They just know it's a nice sales tactic to say, hey, this is Mexico.

02:39:48.000 Again, it's just totally cynical.

02:39:55.000 Totally and completely cynical.

02:39:57.000 Alright, well, Glenn, I appreciate you coming on with us.

02:39:59.000 Thanks a lot.

02:40:01.000 You bet.

02:40:01.000 Take care.

02:40:01.000 And even more than that, folks, the globalists want to drive down the wages, balkanize the U.S., the Pan-American Union, Mexico will be as enslaved as we're going to be enslaved, and they just want us all fighting with each other, and we shouldn't do that.

02:40:13.000 And at another level, they're having to let the U.S.

02:40:15.000 be a steam valve for revolution in Mexico.

02:40:19.000 Did you know, what was it, 100 years ago, there was like 15 million people there?

02:40:23.000 Now it's like 95 million and in just 30 years it'll be 200 million?

02:40:26.000 I mean, that's just one country in Latin America!

02:40:29.000 I mean, the Mexicans that are here now, the illegal aliens, are all going to be displaced by the other Latin Americans. 1.00

02:40:35.000 I mean, this is unbelievable!

02:40:38.000 You wait until the billions of Chinese start coming here, which they already are. 1.00

02:40:40.000 You wait until the billions of Indians. 0.99

02:40:42.000 I mean, it's already over a billion in each country.

02:40:45.000 I mean, we just can't take them all!

02:40:47.000 Do you want to compete against somebody in Calcutta, where half the population lives homeless, and there's dead bodies all over the streets?

02:40:52.000 I mean, I've got video of it on the website.

02:40:54.000 Do you want to compete against 30 million in Mexico City, when half their population lives in homeless areas?

02:41:02.000 In cardboard boxes?

02:41:03.000 I mean, that's how we're going to live!

02:41:05.000 The elite just loves it!

02:41:08.000 Meanwhile, people are running around waving Mexican flags while we're taking over.

02:41:10.000 You're not taking anything over, Jack! 0.95

02:41:12.000 You're being used to destroy this country!

02:41:15.000 I don't dislike you! 0.76

02:41:18.000 And yet it isn't all illegal aliens that have that view.

02:41:20.000 It doesn't matter.

02:41:21.000 Still, it's being used.

02:41:23.000 Alright, let's go ahead and take, uh, uh, Debbie Morrow's been holding, and I promise we'll go to Scott, John, and Chris have been holding for time immemorial, but Debbie Morrow...

02:41:32.000 I was going to have her on in the second hour, but I had that guest that we got on short notice about Homeland Security, now tattling on everybody's very wonderful and how it's all well-meaning and all, we just care about you.

02:41:42.000 And then we had the border report, but quickly, this is I guess the last day or two, and they ship it out to you UPS, and so you'll get it pretty quick.

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02:41:56.000 Debbie, tell us about those specials, quickly.

02:41:58.000 Really quickly, Alex, we're still shipping and we will do second day air at no extra charge to get it there by Friday.

02:42:06.000 Oh, I didn't know you were doing that.

02:42:08.000 That's a great deal.

02:42:08.000 Yeah, we're doing, well, today we're doing third day air.

02:42:11.000 Tomorrow we'll do second day air.

02:42:13.000 Wednesday, tomorrow Wednesday.

02:42:16.000 Yeah, Thursday is going to be our last day of shipping and we'll overnight it, but there will be a $10 Additional fee over the regular shipping.

02:42:25.000 Right now you're getting two, dad.

02:42:26.000 It's what, 50-something dollars?

02:42:27.000 Right.

02:42:28.000 We're doing three days today, two days tomorrow, and we're not upcharging anything on that.

02:42:34.000 So give us a call and leave good numbers, and I will be calling on into the night.

02:42:40.000 Leave the latest amount of time I can call.

02:42:42.000 Um, if they want to place an order.

02:42:44.000 And I want to say something really quick about the illegal alien thing.

02:42:47.000 Can I say something really quick?

02:42:48.000 Yeah, go ahead, Debbie. 1.00

02:42:49.000 Okay, my stepmom is a Hispanic American, you know, whose family was here forever.

02:42:54.000 But she looks and talks like a Spanish person, but she also speaks English.

02:42:58.000 She's bilingual.

02:42:59.000 And she has neighbors in her senior citizen apartments, you know, that are illegal aliens, but they're her friends because she speaks both languages.

02:43:08.000 And they have husbands who go over to Mexico And take like truckloads full of stuff. 1.00

02:43:15.000 They buy a truck, you know, an old truck.

02:43:17.000 They fill it full of stuff.

02:43:18.000 They take it over there to Mexico.

02:43:20.000 Sell the stuff at a higher price.

02:43:23.000 So they're, not only are they illegal here, but then they're cheating the people over there.

02:43:28.000 But it's stuff that people want because they up-price it.

02:43:32.000 And then they turn around and they come right back.

02:43:34.000 And they do this on a regular basis.

02:43:37.000 And they just have their way in and out.

02:43:40.000 And I say to her, I go, well, how do they do that?

02:43:43.000 How do they, you know, like, get out illegally?

02:43:45.000 Like, you know, get back in?

02:43:47.000 And she's like, oh, they just cross over, you know, and everything.

02:43:51.000 And these are illegal people.

02:43:53.000 And they come and go as if it was no big deal at all.

02:43:57.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:43:59.000 If you've got a car, you just drive right across.

02:44:02.000 Well, they leave the car there.

02:44:03.000 They walk back.

02:44:05.000 They have a way that they come back and they walk back.

02:44:08.000 But they leave the car there, they sell everything there.

02:44:11.000 And they make thousands and thousands of dollars.

02:44:16.000 I don't even... It's crazy.

02:44:18.000 Debbie, I don't even blame those folks trying to make money. 1.00

02:44:21.000 The problem is that it will drive us down to third world status and just wreck all of our futures and it won't help Mexico either. 0.99

02:44:30.000 And so it's just very, very serious.

02:44:31.000 Debbie, that is an amazing deal to give people free three and two day shipping I mean, two day shipping is like 50 something bucks on average.

02:44:41.000 Three day is like $30.

02:44:43.000 So you guys are really doing this.

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02:45:24.000 They've just got every sort of special made in America and at prices lower than Chinese and Indian knockoffs. 1.00

02:45:31.000 Give Debbie a call right now. 0.99

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02:45:52.000 And if you could also order at Infowars.com, our bar shopping cart, and we'll get them that order today, and then we'll ship that out to you tomorrow.

02:46:00.000 So we get the order, we just fax it right over to Debbie.

02:46:02.000 If you want to do it at Infowars.com on the Yahoo shopping cart, you can do it that way, and then she drop ships it.

02:46:08.000 888-803-4438, or Infowars.com.

02:46:13.000 And Debbie, thank you for holding while I had Glenn Spencer on.

02:46:16.000 What happens is I set you up for the show, and then my producer does other stuff.

02:46:19.000 It's my fault, and you're a sweetheart.

02:46:21.000 Oh, that's okay.

02:46:22.000 And remember, we're going to be closed the week between Christmas and New Year's.

02:46:26.000 So get your orders in today and tomorrow.

02:46:28.000 Yeah, people shouldn't wait.

02:46:30.000 And plus, I didn't even know you were going to offer that deal.

02:46:31.000 So it's just an insane deal.

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02:46:35.000 Stop procrastinating. 0.81

02:46:37.000 Don't give your family junk. 0.84

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02:46:40.000 They've got stuff from $25 up to $300.

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02:46:48.000 Debbie, thanks for coming on.

02:46:49.000 Bye.

02:46:49.000 Thank you.

02:46:50.000 You bet.

02:46:51.000 Have a very wonderful Christmas.

02:46:54.000 Scott in Wisconsin.

02:46:55.000 Scott, you're on the air.

02:46:56.000 Go ahead.

02:46:58.000 How are you doing, Alex?

02:46:59.000 Good, sir.

02:46:59.000 Go ahead.

02:46:59.000 Sorry for breaking you home.

02:47:00.000 Go ahead.

02:47:01.000 That's okay.

02:47:02.000 A few things real quick.

02:47:03.000 What your first guest didn't understand is that today's youth is lacking the godly qualities of the past generations and can't be trusted with the authority he wants to give them.

02:47:14.000 Well, some of the youth, we always say that about them.

02:47:16.000 Some of our young people are smarter than ever because they crack through the control.

02:47:20.000 But I'll have to say, it is unbelievable.

02:47:24.000 Some of these kids.

02:47:25.000 And I understand that they're still spying on us and they're spying on your show, definitely.

02:47:30.000 So I'd like to report an act of terrorism that's about to happen.

02:47:34.000 There was 250 pounds of explosives missing from New Mexico.

02:47:39.000 Obviously a black ops operation.

02:47:41.000 And you know, this is, I believe that there's going to come a time, your program states that the Empire's on the run.

02:47:49.000 I believe that there's going to come a time when they're going to be tired of running The filthy sodomite Illuminati's in the White House and the rest of the world are going to go in a little hole in the ground, call their forward observers to have Russia and China take care of this American problem. 0.99

02:48:05.000 And then when they come out and brush their hands off and say, that's enough of that, God's going to take his big foot and squash the fugs that they are. 1.00

02:48:13.000 Well, I tend to agree with you. 0.93

02:48:15.000 And very well said, Scott.

02:48:17.000 Anything else?

02:48:18.000 Uh, no.

02:48:18.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:48:19.000 Thank you.

02:48:19.000 Yeah, it's New Mexico.

02:48:21.000 Federal investigators put up high-tech explosive stuff.

02:48:23.000 About 400 pounds of explosive material missing.

02:48:26.000 And so we better give up all of our rights now, cause the bones want al-Qaeda! 0.97

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02:51:29.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

02:51:43.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, I saw this yesterday and even today.

02:51:51.000 I just barely mentioned it, but it's a huge story.

02:51:53.000 Federal investigators probe high-tech explosive stuff, and it says it's the type of 400 pounds of a C4 and a bunch of detonators.

02:52:00.000 It says it's the stuff that military operatives and terrorists, you mean military operatives, use And it's perfect for blowing up, obviously, support columns.

02:52:10.000 And then you just have a plane fly into it and blame it on that.

02:52:13.000 And 2,500 detonators were missing from a storage explosive container or magazine in a bunker owned.

02:52:18.000 Somebody cut through it with blowtorches. 0.94

02:52:20.000 And this is the very same government training ground out there that didn't have this private bunker on it, where the BATF practiced blowing up cars, rider trucks, exactly a few months before the 95 Alper B. Murr building bombing.

02:52:35.000 Yes.

02:52:36.000 Yes.

02:52:37.000 So we should be very concerned.

02:52:42.000 John in Tennessee.

02:52:43.000 Go ahead, John.

02:52:44.000 Yes, Alex.

02:52:45.000 This is about Mr. Sterling, who was your guest earlier.

02:52:49.000 I'm reading a news report from Associated Press out of Johnson City, Tennessee, News Channel C.

02:52:55.000 Let me just read this paragraph real quick.

02:52:58.000 The coordinator for the Office of Homeland Security in East Tennessee says Al-Qaeda is active in that part of the state.

02:53:03.000 John Sterling told police, fire and emergency personnel that known terrorist supporters live in East Tennessee.

02:53:09.000 Officials met to discuss the best way to combat the threat and how best to spend federal dollars Keep the region safe.

02:53:17.000 Pure baloney.

02:53:18.000 If there's supposed threats, they should go get them.

02:53:20.000 But there is none.

02:53:21.000 It's more baloney. 1.00

02:53:23.000 That guy is evil. 1.00

02:53:24.000 He's really, really slick. 1.00

02:53:25.000 I just think he's a useful idiot. 1.00

02:53:26.000 Yeah, I think he's pretty blind. 1.00

02:53:28.000 But right here, he said he met with people.

02:53:31.000 He's going to spend federal dollars.

02:53:33.000 He needs to get his mouth off the federal government seat. 0.66

02:53:36.000 I've been to the drills of the Tennessee State Guard and all this stuff where I've talked to people and they're like, hey, what are you going to do if you have to take people's guns?

02:53:44.000 Well, you know, we got to do what you got to do, because you don't know if they're Al-Qaeda, so... I mean, you know... No, I know, it's sick!

02:53:51.000 So what's he going to do?

02:53:51.000 Is it his group of little Tattletail kids?

02:53:53.000 Are they going to, you know, support him?

02:53:54.000 Well, I mean, can you imagine when they come to take our guns and we fight back?

02:53:57.000 Say they are terrorists!

02:53:58.000 They're fighting back!

02:53:59.000 They won't let us break your families up and take them to family camps! 0.99

02:54:03.000 But they're all trained in the Constitution, because we had a 15-minute course, so... I guess everything's alright.

02:54:09.000 Well, that's why I made the joke about the 15-minute course, yeah.

02:54:12.000 I know, I just wanted to illustrate.

02:54:14.000 They didn't go to the FEMA camp when ordered and those were the Al-Qaeda's. 0.97

02:54:19.000 But I'm saying, you know, he's getting paid by the federal government so I hope he opens up his eyes.

02:54:23.000 So I'll try to send him a tape.

02:54:25.000 If other people in Tennessee can do the tape to him, perhaps he'll wake up and we'll have someone good on the inside instead of someone, you know... Yeah, we need to have people go join that and look at it from the inside.

02:54:35.000 Thanks for the call.

02:54:36.000 Last call, Chris in Arkansas.

02:54:38.000 Thanks for holding, go ahead.

02:54:39.000 Good afternoon, Alex.

02:54:41.000 You had a caller on very early in the broadcast named Jim and he was talking about why he's under the Constitution because he hasn't signed anything.

02:54:51.000 And the reason, and you elaborate on this a lot, we don't have rights because a bunch of men sat down 230 years ago and wrote it all out on a document.

02:55:05.000 We have rights because they come from God.

02:55:07.000 And all that does is restrain the government and say, you've got to follow this.

02:55:10.000 Here's your law.

02:55:11.000 Right.

02:55:12.000 All the Constitution does is recognize that you have rights.

02:55:16.000 The Constitution limits the scope of the government and gives it powers.

02:55:20.000 We have rights.

02:55:20.000 They have powers.

02:55:22.000 Well, they have the power to protect that right.

02:55:25.000 That's why the government is instituted.

02:55:27.000 That's the purpose of government is to punish evildoers and to protect your civil liberties and your civil rights.

02:55:33.000 People say the same thing about the Bible.

02:55:35.000 They get confused.

02:55:37.000 Council of Nicaea, did they form the Bible in 8325?

02:55:42.000 No, they didn't do that.

02:55:43.000 They recognized that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and they collected those documents and put them together in 8325.

02:55:48.000 Yeah, we're out of time.

02:55:50.000 Great points.

02:55:51.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight.

02:55:52.000 Back tomorrow, 11 to 2, and I'll get more into this.

02:55:55.000 Bombs missing.

02:55:56.000 I mean, there's so much other stuff.

02:55:57.000 It's just all crazy.

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Alex Jones Show - December 20, 2005

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