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00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friends.

00:00:39.000 Thank you for joining us on this live Thursday edition.

00:00:42.000 It is the fifth day of January 2006, and we're going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:54.000 Larry Silverstein has now gone public, at least through the government he has, With a ridiculously simple and flimsy excuse for his statements on PBS television about giving the order to have the building pulled, which is the demolition definition or terminology for imploding or a controlled demolition.

00:01:24.000 The controlled destruction of a building.

00:01:26.000 So, coming up in this hour, I am going to play the clip of Silverstein.

00:01:31.000 The infamous clip.

00:01:32.000 We're going to also play from the same documentary.

00:01:35.000 Clips where it shows them demolishing other buildings later that had not completely imploded.

00:01:41.000 And as they blow them up, they say, getting ready to pull building 6.

00:01:49.000 That's what the individual, the head demolition foreman actually says on the video.

00:01:56.000 So, in the documentary it's all about destroying buildings.

00:02:00.000 And all about how Tower 1 and 2 and 7 fell that day and then how they demolished the other buildings.

00:02:04.000 So, here's Silverstein saying, we pulled the building and then it cuts next to somebody going, getting ready to pull number 6.

00:02:12.000 And then millions of dollars of ads were running New York saying, answer the question Silverstein.

00:02:17.000 He wouldn't and I probably called his office.

00:02:19.000 Twenty times.

00:02:21.000 And of course, Building 7, clearly from all the video, was blown up.

00:02:24.000 You see the ejection ports.

00:02:26.000 You see the blast points.

00:02:27.000 You see the squibs, as they're called. 1.00

00:02:31.000 The little ejections of gas and dust.

00:02:34.000 As right on the girder support points, where they hook into the superstructure.

00:02:41.000 I mean, it was like clockwork.

00:02:44.000 It was like watching a hotel get blown up in Las Vegas.

00:02:49.000 So, just amazing.

00:02:51.000 We're going to go back over this, but I'll tell you what he has to say.

00:02:55.000 And he has done this through one of the surrogate groups in the executive branch of the federal government that has been actively demonizing myself and many others in the past.

00:03:07.000 Silverstein answers WTC7 building charges, says Pullet meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building.

00:03:16.000 FEMA's own report says that, even Popular Mechanics' own hit piece against it says that.

00:03:22.000 The New York Fire Department says that, that they had been out since Giuliani was told to evacuate in the morning because, quote, the towers are going to come down.

00:03:34.000 Oh, by the way, I told you, Scott, to pull the three clips of Silverstein saying, blow it, pull it, and then the same documentary describing pull it as meaning demolition, and then Dan Rather saying it looks like dynamite to bring the building down.

00:03:49.000 See if that, in that whole plethora of clips you've got, see if you can find, it's been a while, probably six months since we've played this, there's also Giuliani.

00:04:00.000 And if you go to our WTC7 section on Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com, in our whole analysis page, there's probably about 75 links on there to audio and video and firefighters saying bombs were in there.

00:04:13.000 See if you can find that clip where it's Giuliani talking about getting the warning to leave the building.

00:04:18.000 Oh yeah, and find the edited clip we've got.

00:04:21.000 We have to edit it.

00:04:22.000 It's got a lot of profanity on it.

00:04:24.000 You can go to the website and watch the unedited profanity-laced one if you'd like, but we have to follow some rules here.

00:04:29.000 Or at least we try to.

00:04:32.000 Only the F-words and S-words have been cut out to protect the innocent.

00:04:36.000 Find the one with the firefighters going, It was like they had detonators!

00:04:40.000 Boom, boom, boom! 0.95

00:04:43.000 So, we'll get into this.

00:04:45.000 There's a bunch of other big news.

00:04:46.000 Obviously, Ariel Sharon hanging on by his fingernails to life.

00:04:51.000 And so much more when we get back on the other side of this quick break.

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00:07:59.000 Big Brother.

00:08:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:09.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:11.000 You want answers?

00:08:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:14.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:23.000 I'm sure a lot of you have heard the fake conservative neocon talk shows out there. 0.95

00:08:33.000 Talking about how yesterday in France, hundreds of French commuters on a train had a large gang of North African hoodlums robbing them and attempting to rape them. 0.97

00:08:50.000 And this was all caught on tape, of course, and the big police state, France, can't keep their citizens safe, and they've predominantly confiscated their guns. 0.96

00:08:59.000 I mean, imagine in a free society with a concealed carry here in Texas, if you went on a train trying to rape people, I mean, guaranteed, you'd get your head blown off real fast if there wasn't already police on board that train. 0.98

00:09:12.000 But, now the neocons Can get up on the radio and say, see, all Muslims want to kill us. 0.99

00:09:22.000 They want to attack us. 1.00

00:09:24.000 They're out to get us.

00:09:26.000 This is absolute proof of a total jihad. 0.99

00:09:29.000 They're all evil.

00:09:30.000 They all want to take over. 1.00

00:09:31.000 They all want to destroy America.

00:09:33.000 Well, okay, let's just say that's true.

00:09:35.000 It's not true, but let's just say it's true. 0.90

00:09:38.000 I don't want to hear about how we've got to stay behind the war in Iraq, and how we've got to beat them over there instead of over here, and how they're this ultimate threat when Bush is bringing in record levels of Middle Eastern and Central Asian immigrants to this country, both low-tech and high-tech. 1.00

00:09:55.000 Record levels!

00:10:01.000 Now, quite frankly, To get down to brass tacks on this situation, there are some Muslim groups that really do want to jihad, that really do want to quote take over the world and proselytize. 1.00

00:10:24.000 But at the same time, even most, quote, Muslim nations allow and leave Christians and Jews alone. 0.84

00:10:30.000 Take Iran, a huge Jewish population, a huge Christian population.

00:10:34.000 They've even got Zoroastrians, you know, an ancient dog-worshipping and star-worshipping cult. 0.98

00:10:41.000 I'm not kidding, that's what they worship.

00:10:44.000 And, I guess there's worse things to worship.

00:10:47.000 I'm being sarcastic, I like dogs, but I sure wouldn't worship them.

00:10:51.000 I digressed.

00:10:52.000 The point is, is that by going into Iraq, that certainly does lend credence and stir up the radical elements of Islam. 0.89

00:11:00.000 And at the same time, our own government, and I had a former CIA commander on yesterday who led CIA operations in Afghanistan, folks.

00:11:12.000 What, Mr. Brinson?

00:11:14.000 And he admitted that our government helped radicalize Islam in the fifties and sixties.

00:11:18.000 He admitted our government carried out terrorist attacks to blame it on leaders of Islamic countries that were not Islamicist, who were really pro-Western.

00:11:28.000 Now, I talked about Mosaddegh and how our government carried out terror bombings to blame it on him.

00:11:33.000 And the CIA commander, that's what MSNBC calls him, said, yes, it's true.

00:11:41.000 So, This threat, whether it's real, or manufactured, or partially manufactured, and still there's some real threat there, it's only being exacerbated.

00:11:54.000 You see, the very people that get on the air, I heard Neil Borch driving in this morning, the very people that get on the air and say, all the muzzles want to kill us, it's a jihad, we gotta get them. 1.00

00:12:05.000 I mean, he was actually saying that. 0.95

00:12:08.000 But he'll never go further and say, oh, by the way, Bush is a piece of filth, For having our borders totally wide open and bringing in record levels of immigrants from every corner of the planet. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Or that Bush has openly, that's openly, ordered our own intelligence agencies and the CIA and FBI, I mean there's hundreds of articles about this, scores of instances of it, It's been covered from every angle to, quote, leave the Al-Qaeda network alone, to, oh, you're the dean of the Defense Language School.

00:12:46.000 You don't like it that you're training people that you think are terrorists.

00:12:51.000 Well, they're government operatives, and you're going to give them the top-secret training, Mohammed Adda and others.

00:12:56.000 I mean, that's the Defense Language School dean, Monterey, California, teaching classes, complaining before, quietly, and then after, and saying in the newspaper, and the San Jose Mercury News that quote, our government was behind 9-11 and remember you never heard from him again.

00:13:16.000 And the same terrorists, who were really government agents, were trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.

00:13:22.000 They were trained in many other different forms of espionage when they were trying to come back into the U.S.

00:13:30.000 and the U.S.

00:13:31.000 embassies were trying to block them from their Malaysian and other summits in Saudi Arabia The heads of the embassies, we've interviewed several of them, were told leave them alone.

00:13:44.000 These are government operatives.

00:13:46.000 It's their cover that they're terrorists.

00:13:48.000 So we have it in concrete that even the supposed hijackers were clearly trained U.S.

00:13:58.000 spies of criminal elements that are in control of our government.

00:14:05.000 And so when you hear about Muslim gangs On a train, after a month-long orgy of burning and beating people up, and it was racial, it was sectarian, that's how humans operate. 0.97

00:14:25.000 I mean, that's what happens.

00:14:26.000 That's why throughout history, on average, a bunch of different groups of people Don't get along with each other.

00:14:34.000 I mean, there are even revolutions in Mexico between the different states.

00:14:39.000 They don't even get along down there.

00:14:41.000 I mean, look at four different groups of white people killing each other in the Balkans. 0.93

00:14:47.000 This is the way it is. 0.70

00:14:48.000 It's the way it's always been.

00:14:50.000 Empires try to use sports and other events as false unifiers.

00:14:56.000 To get cities to unify, no matter what color the people are in the city, you know, behind the horns or behind the Trojans. 0.83

00:15:05.000 And Caesar wrote about it, the Romans openly talked about it, that the Greek philosophers discussed it.

00:15:13.000 It was part of the mechanism of government when you had a big unwieldy empire.

00:15:19.000 To use sports as a false unifier.

00:15:22.000 It's not even that I'm against the Rose Bowl or UT's fabulous win yesterday.

00:15:28.000 In and of itself, it's just that I know it is a psychological tool of control.

00:15:36.000 And last night, well, before I get into the Rose Bowl, let me just go back and what happened in downtown Austin last night that I was a witness to, unfortunately.

00:15:47.000 I'm just total bedlam.

00:15:50.000 Back to the Michael Savages and the Boardsters of the World. 1.00

00:15:54.000 They'll tell you all about the Muslims, and then tell you the solution is going over there and attacking their countries and killing them and going after them. 1.00

00:16:00.000 Well, there's several problems with that on the surface, but then they leave out of the equation, half of the equation or more, that our own government has helped radicalize the Muslims, helped put them into power, the more radical elements, and helped stir them up, and is bringing them in at record levels. 0.96

00:16:18.000 So, on its face, it's a fraud.

00:16:19.000 And then we look at Iraq.

00:16:21.000 We look at Iraq with Saddam Hussein, who was a secular leader, where had more freedom for Christians and Jews and other groups than any other country in the Middle East or Central Asia.

00:16:36.000 Just absolute freedom compared to other countries.

00:16:40.000 Sixty percent, back in 1990 numbers, of the people graduating were women, including doctors.

00:16:48.000 And now look at it.

00:16:49.000 And that was the Israeli plan in 1983.

00:16:52.000 It's been in the Haratz and Jerusalem Post.

00:16:55.000 We've written articles about it.

00:16:57.000 We've covered it here.

00:16:58.000 Israel said the plan is to have the Americans go in, break it up in three or four different parts, and have different Islamist sects over different sectors.

00:17:08.000 Have the Kurds, have the Shiites, maybe have two different groups of Shiites, have the Sunnis, And then have a weak central government, and just control the pipelines in the region, and then use it as a military base to invade Iran and Syria. 0.83

00:17:24.000 And then you read the PNAC documents of 2000, the particular Rebuilding America's Defenses, September 19th document, September 20th, excuse me.

00:17:32.000 Didn't get enough sleep last night.

00:17:35.000 And when you read it, it says the exact same thing.

00:17:39.000 When you read Brzezinski, the same thing.

00:17:41.000 Because it's all going off the same playbook.

00:17:44.000 And then you realize that, I mean, they're putting the burkas on the women right now in Iraq. 0.92

00:17:49.000 I mean, they're stoning the women again. 0.99

00:17:52.000 Because she talked to a guy on the street. 0.99

00:17:54.000 They are killing the women. 1.00

00:17:56.000 They are, they are, the most radical elements are taking over and our government just thinks it's absolutely wonderful. 0.92

00:18:02.000 Folks, it was all designed, and, oh, you don't believe me?

00:18:07.000 Just type P2, that's just the letter P, and then the number 2, not T-W-O, just P, the number 2, O, G. P-2-O-G.

00:18:24.000 And you'll get EPI, AP, Pentagon documents, you'll get it all. 0.97

00:18:31.000 Where they say Rumsfeld has six billion bucks a year funded to actually create terrorists and to stir them up and to kill innocent Muslims to get them to attack us.

00:18:41.000 That's their one big desire other than confiscating our guns or domestically and bankrupting us and taking our pension funds. 0.87

00:18:46.000 That's the big plan.

00:18:48.000 And you'll soon get to enjoy that.

00:18:49.000 Don't worry, it'll be right in front of your eyeballs.

00:18:51.000 You can deny it all day.

00:18:52.000 You can run, but you can't hide. 1.00

00:18:53.000 You will be raped by the New World Order and then you will wake up and you will fight them and we will beat them. 1.00

00:18:58.000 You see? 1.00

00:19:00.000 You can deny reality all day and stick your head in the Rose Bowl, it isn't going away.

00:19:04.000 And really, that's why I got upset last night.

00:19:07.000 I got off the TV about 9, did some work at the studio until about 10.

00:19:10.000 A friend of mine is moving to Los Angeles, plus we had some business to discuss, so I was up in his high-rise apartment with he and his girlfriend, helping him move some heavier stuff that she couldn't help him move.

00:19:23.000 And I'm up there, and he's a Hollywood producer, he's a producer at Penthouse.

00:19:29.000 And I'm up there moving the stuff around with him.

00:19:32.000 He's just getting ready for the movers that are coming in a couple days.

00:19:36.000 Why do I always tell stories and so much to tell?

00:19:36.000 Why does that even matter?

00:19:39.000 And I'm up there and it's midnight and UT wins.

00:19:43.000 And we went up on the roof and watched it.

00:19:45.000 And it was very interesting and I will describe to you what the people were doing.

00:19:51.000 And why it was so upsetting to me.

00:19:54.000 We'll be right back.

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00:24:00.000 All right, what's coming up is I'm going to play this David Letterman piece where he attacks Bill O'Reilly.

00:24:16.000 And, frankly, this is a total shell operation. 0.99

00:24:19.000 I mean, David Letterman, who I happen to like, by the way, I think he's very talented, very funny guy, still is not in the position as the most powerful comedian in America with the biggest audience for one of those nightly shows, late shows, out there because he's stupid. 0.92

00:24:36.000 And so he attacks O'Reilly but creates a false paradigm and really shifts people into a controlled box. 0.93

00:24:46.000 And so he may be doing it on purpose, I tend to think he is, or at the same time he may just be regurgitating.

00:24:53.000 The false political map that he's been given through the mainstream news.

00:24:58.000 But it's also somewhat entertaining and O'Reilly was squirming in his chair. 0.97

00:25:03.000 He's such a bully.

00:25:04.000 I mean, I've seen him scream at people on Fox television, on clips I see on the web, where somebody argues with him. 1.00

00:25:10.000 Well, Donahue, you just shut up! 0.99

00:25:12.000 Shut up or I'll kick you out of here right now! 1.00

00:25:15.000 I mean, if he can't debate you, he'll talk over you and just shut your microphone off. 0.99

00:25:19.000 I mean, you think I'm bad sometimes when I'm debating somebody, where they get like 40% of the time and I get 60.

00:25:25.000 Oh, no, no.

00:25:26.000 You might get 5%.

00:25:27.000 You know, the time that Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole's former chief of staff, that was suing the government for involvement in 9-11, back before it was popular and cool, three years ago, you can see a clip of that in Masters of Terror, one of my better films, He's on Hannity and Combs, and Hannity would not let him talk.

00:25:50.000 I mean, he just... Hannity talked the entire time.

00:25:52.000 He literally couldn't get three words out edgewise, and he put a clip of that in the film.

00:25:56.000 But, um... I'm already digressing.

00:25:59.000 We'll cover all that and get into the latest major Larry Silverstein developments concerning the controlled demolition of Building 7 and Tower 1 and 2.

00:26:08.000 He's now, finally, three years into our expose of him trying to spin it.

00:26:13.000 He's gone into overdrive.

00:26:15.000 Working with the State Department of all groups.

00:26:17.000 But before we do that, last night I was helping a friend move, and he lives downtown.

00:26:25.000 And quite frankly, the game was on in the background.

00:26:30.000 And just because there's such mindless worship of UT, and because it's such a distraction, I was jokingly rooting for USC.

00:26:40.000 But when we had it on the background, and we were talking shop, talking about the New World Order, talking about mind control, and then the game ended.

00:26:48.000 And within about two minutes, you started hearing beep, beep, beep, beep, and started hearing a roar.

00:26:55.000 And his place is down on 8th Street.

00:26:57.000 6th Street is right by it.

00:26:59.000 There was screaming, yelling, honking going on there all around the building.

00:27:04.000 And he had big windows.

00:27:05.000 We had them open looking down onto the crowd.

00:27:08.000 Started mashing on every major downtown street.

00:27:13.000 And then we saw the UT Tower up north from him, just about a mile, half mile or so, turn orange.

00:27:22.000 And I call it the Tower of Death.

00:27:25.000 It's a Masonic-style tower, but also it's where, back in the early 60s, the famous Marine Corps sniper went up there and shot a whole bunch of people.

00:27:34.000 So I call it the Tower of Death, Cirith Ungul, and so it turned red, as they do whenever there's a championship won, and then you can hear the screaming from a mile away, much louder than the screaming right down below, And then for about another 30 minutes, I left and drove home.

00:27:56.000 You know, I was down at Hellbent and Peck, and I'm driving home, having to navigate the screaming, the yelling, the hook-em-horns, and they were running through the streets as I was walking to the parking meter of my car, and they were doing hook-em-horns, hook-em-horns, and I wouldn't hook-em-horns back, and they looked crazed and didn't know why, just running past me mindlessly.

00:28:18.000 And then I thought about, When Andrew Jackson beat the British, beat Lord Wellington's force that had never been defeated, not by Napoleon, not by the Indians of India, not by any force, Lord Wellington had beaten numbers 3, 4, 5, in some cases, in one battle in India about 10 times his number.

00:28:39.000 I said on TV last night, like 6 times, actually 10 times I looked it up.

00:28:43.000 And you know, modern army with German commanders with bigger cannons than he had.

00:28:47.000 Well, they came to meet Andrew Jackson, old hickory, Brigadier General Jackson.

00:28:53.000 The country song calls him Colonel Jackson, but that was his nickname.

00:28:56.000 He was a Brigadier General by then.

00:28:57.000 And the people did come out and yell and scream and beat drums and celebrate all over the country when we won a major victory against those that want to enslave us.

00:29:07.000 But no, you'll never hear that, you'll never see that, you'll never see... I mean, listen, if we threw the Federal Reserve out, if the people knew what was good for them and what to celebrate, there should be ten days of celebration and rolling around screaming in delight on the ground.

00:29:25.000 Because that would be real, that would be a real victory.

00:29:27.000 But we have this surrogate warfare, this surrogate tribalism that just isn't real.

00:29:36.000 It's just hot air.

00:29:37.000 And I just see people so just, I can die happy now, my horns won.

00:29:45.000 Meanwhile, the government's kidnapping children and putting them in slave camps and it's public and nobody wants to help them.

00:29:52.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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00:33:09.000 It's the Genesis Communications Radio Network.

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00:33:23.000 It's the Genesis Communications Radio Network, often imitated, never duplicated by carpetbaggers down here in Central Texas. 0.99

00:33:32.000 But this is the real deal.

00:33:33.000 The real McCoy.

00:33:34.000 Telling it like it is.

00:33:35.000 Getting the word out.

00:33:37.000 I am so excited.

00:33:39.000 In fact, next week they've got to give me a list of all the new affiliates.

00:33:43.000 There's a whole bunch of them.

00:33:45.000 Just all over the place.

00:33:46.000 Southern California.

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00:33:53.000 Southern Texas.

00:33:54.000 Corpus Christi, Texas.

00:33:55.000 That's a big town.

00:33:57.000 More, another station in Illinois, another station in Missouri, just we're getting a lot of new affiliates right now and it's really exciting and the stations just get bigger and bigger and better because what we're talking about is just getting more and more mainstream.

00:34:17.000 I mean, you tune in five years ago and Alex Jones was talking about the NSA spying on you, and FEMA camps, and torture, and how they're training the military to torture, and how they're training to confiscate your guns.

00:34:29.000 And now, it's really just becoming accepted and mainstream.

00:34:35.000 So, in a way, as the New World War gets more and more along in its plans, it's easier for us to wake people up.

00:34:43.000 I mean, frankly, I don't like being a trailblazer.

00:34:45.000 I wish we were not in this position.

00:34:48.000 But now that the enemy is showing their hand, it's getting a lot easier.

00:34:52.000 The scary things we talk about are public enough now that it's more and more kosher to carry this broadcast.

00:35:01.000 We're going to play this David Letterman clip from two nights ago here in just a minute or so, and then I'll get into Larry Silverstein and some big new developments there, and then also some great news in New Hampshire.

00:35:12.000 They're about to pass a law, it looks like it will probably pass, banning gun confiscation, banning illegal search and seizure during a disaster, and saying that it's a felony.

00:35:23.000 Now, really, it's already on the books that it's a felony.

00:35:26.000 It's like these politicians don't know what the laws are.

00:35:31.000 But, simply that New Hampshire, oh by the way, I saw an article, Arizona's talking about reintroducing that law from five years ago, where quote of the government begins gun confiscations or declares a new world order, they'll secede, well that's now being brought forward again.

00:35:45.000 So, a lot of different things are happening right now, so that's some good news as well.

00:35:53.000 Former presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, Michael Vadnarik, joining us in studio, coming up in about 25 minutes.

00:36:03.000 And then in the third hour, we are working on getting one of those state reps home from New Hampshire fighting the gun confiscation.

00:36:12.000 You see, in the past we told you they were coming for your guns, and now there's legislatures introducing laws to stop the feds from taking your guns.

00:36:20.000 You see, that's how real the threat is.

00:36:21.000 This is really what they're trying to do.

00:36:24.000 You don't think they train the military and tell them it's for America over and over again for decades for nothing, do you?

00:36:30.000 I mean, really.

00:36:32.000 While you're busy worrying about Muslims, you know, Nosferatu-ing you, meanwhile the New World Order is the real threat, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:36:41.000 But we will get more into that.

00:36:44.000 Now listen to this clip we're about to play of David Letterman and Bill O'Reilly two nights ago.

00:36:49.000 Listen to it carefully, because you think that David Letterman is attacking O'Reilly, and he certainly stands up to the arrogant sop who, again, is not a conservative, folks, and is very dishonest.

00:37:05.000 That's been proven extremely so, and a bullet to boot.

00:37:09.000 And he thinks that SUVs should be banned, or there should be a tax on them, and that all militia members should be put in camps.

00:37:15.000 So, I mean, I've heard him, I've seen him say it, so I'm tired of hearing it. 0.98

00:37:20.000 Basically, he speaks at a very low-grade moron level, and he acts very confident, so that fools a lot of people. 0.98

00:37:28.000 I'd love to get on his show. 0.99

00:37:29.000 I'd clean his clock.

00:37:32.000 Guaranteed.

00:37:33.000 He'd shut my mic off and kick me out.

00:37:36.000 Because he just likes getting little wimps on there that he can berate and bully.

00:37:40.000 But I digress.

00:37:43.000 We're about to play this clip.

00:37:45.000 In this clip... Go ahead and pot that down for a second.

00:37:48.000 We're not going to play it quite yet.

00:37:50.000 But in this clip, you will notice that he says, well, I know we've got to support the troops.

00:37:58.000 Well, I agree with that.

00:37:59.000 But what does supporting them mean?

00:38:01.000 Good medical care.

00:38:02.000 Getting them out of a bad situation, making them wear protective gear around DU, not giving them deadly vaccines.

00:38:08.000 You know, that's just a simple term.

00:38:10.000 Supporting the troops now means supporting a criminal, lying government, feeding them into a meat grinder. 0.91

00:38:16.000 So then he attaches supporting the troops with, we're going to be there for many, many years.

00:38:21.000 What country has this government ever invaded that we ever leave?

00:38:24.000 The Philippines?

00:38:26.000 Japan, Germany, we're in what, 122 or 120 depending on current deployments, but it hovers right around 120 or so countries.

00:38:38.000 And I say we never leave, it's really not we, it's the New World Order really never leaves.

00:38:45.000 And it's a joke.

00:38:47.000 I mean, this is a global empire, and it's not for our interest.

00:38:49.000 We're losing our jobs.

00:38:50.000 We're losing our industrial base.

00:38:52.000 They're jacking up our taxes on a hundred fronts while cutting one tax for smoke and mirrors.

00:38:57.000 You know, what America is, is evaporating.

00:39:00.000 We're being sucked dry like a spider sucks a big fat caterpillar dry. 0.79

00:39:04.000 The New World Order police state is just the spinnerets of the spider tying us down.

00:39:10.000 And so now they've kind of anesthetized us, you know, given us the sleeping potion.

00:39:16.000 You know, a spider, most species of spiders actually just stun their prey and then get them tied up.

00:39:21.000 And then they let them kind of ferment.

00:39:23.000 Then they kill them.

00:39:24.000 And then they let them kind of rot a little bit and let their enzymes seep through the tissue.

00:39:30.000 So it's all one delicious kind of Capri Sun drink.

00:39:34.000 Kind of like putting a straw in one of those little packets.

00:39:38.000 So see now they've got us all, they've insanguinated us, but not completely.

00:39:43.000 The sucking of the fluids is now beginning and some people are seeing the spider for what it is.

00:39:49.000 They're going, wait a minute, that spider's got fancy PR, but it's still a spider.

00:39:54.000 Do you really want me to do the spider imitation?

00:39:59.000 So, he then talks about how, well, I'm against you O'Reilly, but we do need to be there for years and years.

00:40:05.000 So see, that's a hollow victory, and that's what the Democrats do. 0.99

00:40:09.000 Well, you're an idiot how you handled this Bush, but I agree, we should be there for another ten years, and we should go into Iran. 1.00

00:40:16.000 That's liberal? 1.00

00:40:20.000 But it is fun to see O'Reilly get put in his place, though Letterman did it in a more gentlemanly fashion, because he's obviously got about five times the intellect of Mr. Bully Boy.

00:40:31.000 And then he makes this comment about how, oh, I'm sure you're smarter than I am, but it just seems to me about 60% of what you say is baloney.

00:40:39.000 So go ahead and roll that clip.

00:40:44.000 This is Letterman.

00:40:46.000 And with O'Reilly.

00:40:48.000 Do we have the clip now?

00:40:53.000 Okay.

00:40:54.000 You know, you've got to love computers, folks.

00:40:56.000 We didn't download it.

00:40:57.000 Are we just attempting to stream it?

00:41:01.000 We actually have computers that were designed by Mr. Watson, the founder of IBM.

00:41:09.000 We have computers that were used in the 1940s.

00:41:16.000 I'm being sarcastic.

00:41:17.000 Okay, now we'll try again.

00:41:18.000 Here it is.

00:41:19.000 The soldiers and Marines are noble.

00:41:21.000 They're not terrorists.

00:41:23.000 And when people call them that, like Cindy Sheehan called the insurgents freedom fighters, we don't like that.

00:41:31.000 It is a vitally important time in American history, and we should all take it very seriously.

00:41:37.000 Be very careful with what we say.

00:41:38.000 Well, and you should be very careful with what you say also.

00:41:41.000 Do you need an exception?

00:41:42.000 How can you possibly take exception with the motivation and the position of someone like Cindy Sheehan?

00:41:58.000 the Because I believe she's run by far-left elements in this country.

00:42:03.000 I feel bad for the woman. 0.97

00:42:05.000 Have you lost family members in armed conflict?

00:42:07.000 No, I have not.

00:42:08.000 Well, then you can hardly speak for her, can you?

00:42:10.000 I'm not speaking for her.

00:42:15.000 Let me ask you this question.

00:42:17.000 Let's go back to your little red and green stories.

00:42:20.000 This is important.

00:42:24.000 Cindy, she lost her son, a professional soldier in Iraq, correct?

00:42:28.000 She has a right to grieve any way she wants.

00:42:30.000 She has a right to say whatever she wants.

00:42:32.000 When she says to the public, That the insurgents and terrorists are freedom fighters.

00:42:37.000 How do you think, David Letterman, that makes people who've lost loved ones, by these people blowing the hell out of them, how do you think they feel?

00:42:47.000 What about their feelings, sir?

00:42:49.000 Well, what about why are we there in the first place?

00:42:52.000 We're there.

00:42:52.000 The president himself, less than a month ago, said we are there because of a mistake made in intelligence.

00:43:04.000 Well, whose intelligence?

00:43:07.000 Somebody got off a bus and handed it to him?

00:43:09.000 No, it was the intelligence gathered by his administration.

00:43:13.000 So why are we there in the first place?

00:43:15.000 I agree with you that we have to support the troops.

00:43:19.000 They are there.

00:43:19.000 They are the best and the brightest of this country.

00:43:22.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:43:27.000 And I also agree that now we're in it, it's going to take a long, long time.

00:43:31.000 People who expect it to be solved and wrapped up in a couple of years, it's unrealistic.

00:43:34.000 It's not going to happen.

00:43:36.000 However, however, that does not eliminate the legitimate speculation and concern and questioning of why the hell are we there to begin with?

00:43:44.000 If you want to question that and then revamp an intelligence agency that's obviously flawed, the CIA, okay?

00:43:53.000 But remember, M16 in Britain said the same thing.

00:43:57.000 Putin's people in Russia said the same thing, and so did Mubarak's intelligence agency in Egypt.

00:44:01.000 They all make it alright that the intelligence across the board makes it alright that we're there?

00:44:07.000 I'm very concerned about people like yourself who don't have nothing but endless sympathy for a woman like Cindy Sheehan.

00:44:14.000 Honest to Christ!

00:44:15.000 No, I'm sorry.

00:44:15.000 Honest to Christ!

00:44:17.000 No way you're gonna get me.

00:44:23.000 No way that a terrorist who blows up women and children... Do you have children?

00:44:27.000 Yes, I do.

00:44:28.000 And it's on the same age as yours. 0.92

00:44:29.000 no way a terrorist who blows up women and children gonna be called a freedom fighter on my program i'm not smart enough to debate you point to point on this but i have the feeling i have the feeling about that i have to do it about sixty percent of what you say is crap Okay, so we're done with that clip.

00:44:57.000 Now, if you listen to that clip, you notice that they talk about mistakes at the CIA. 0.74

00:45:04.000 They talk about how it was the CIA that did it.

00:45:07.000 Number one, Dick Cheney made, what, 12 trips to the CIA.

00:45:11.000 Never before happened.

00:45:13.000 I mean, a vice president might visit the CIA once during an administration for a press conference or to thank them, but I mean, he was there.

00:45:21.000 And openly ordering them to produce false intelligence.

00:45:24.000 That's part of the public record.

00:45:26.000 Again, that is not debatable.

00:45:28.000 And they wouldn't do it, so they created their own little intelligence group within the CIA that reported it to the Vice President.

00:45:35.000 And they had another group reporting, a group of neocons intimately connected with war profiteering in the Pentagon, who would all basically get told what to say by Dick Cheney and the indicted Scooter Libby.

00:45:46.000 And then they would then churn that back out to the media.

00:45:50.000 So, number one, the CIA lied on purpose.

00:45:53.000 Number two, it wasn't the general CIA that did it, but a compartmentalized group of shysters.

00:46:01.000 So that's a fraud right there.

00:46:05.000 And then, as Letterman says, we've got to stay there for a long, long time.

00:46:09.000 And then he says that Cindy Sheehan says she loves the terrorists.

00:46:12.000 Well, who are the terrorists?

00:46:13.000 I mean, is somebody who doesn't want to be occupied, who is simply fighting tanks with a rifle, is he a terrorist?

00:46:22.000 Okay.

00:46:23.000 If somebody actually blows up a group of Iraqi soldiers and then kills some women, are they a terrorist?

00:46:30.000 I would say, yeah, that's terrorizing.

00:46:31.000 That's evil form of warfare. 0.97

00:46:34.000 But what do you think we did to Dresden?

00:46:35.000 What do you think we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

00:46:38.000 What do you think those jets and helicopters do right now?

00:46:41.000 I mean, it's over 100,000 dead Iraqis just since this conflict.

00:46:45.000 Well, when that happens, oh, it's collateral damage.

00:46:47.000 It's not terrorism.

00:46:48.000 All she said is that, compared to the numbers of dead in America, that this regime is terrorizing Iraq.

00:46:55.000 And Iraq is under terror.

00:46:57.000 More torture, more rape rooms than Saddam ever dreamed of, more dead, more power being off, universities shut down, you know, rationing of food.

00:47:10.000 Everything!

00:47:12.000 Everything!

00:47:13.000 It's massive!

00:47:16.000 So, I mean, by every indice, by every indicator, it is worse.

00:47:21.000 It is not better.

00:47:23.000 So, I could make a lot of other points about this, but I'm not going to because we are short on time.

00:47:29.000 We've got a guest coming up here.

00:47:30.000 Let's get into Larry Silverstein right now.

00:47:32.000 This is a great article written by Paul Joseph Watson.

00:47:36.000 Silverstein answered WTC Building 7 charges.

00:47:39.000 Says, Pullet meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building.

00:47:45.000 After nearly two years of steadfast silence, Silverstein Properties have finally responded to questions about what Larry Silverstein meant when he told PBS documentary The WTC7 building was pulled in the late afternoon of September 11, 2001.

00:48:02.000 Building 7 occupied a city block immediately north of the World Trade Center complex.

00:48:07.000 Photos taken minutes before its collapse showed small fires.

00:48:10.000 On two or three floors, Building 7 became only the third steel building in history, before or since 9-11, to collapse from fire damage.

00:48:19.000 The other two are the North and South Towers of the World Trade Center.

00:48:22.000 Any building that was not owned by Silverstein Properties strangely remained upright.

00:48:27.000 Photo and video evidence of the collapse shows classic indications of how a controlled demolition, the standard crimp in the center left top of the building, and the subsequent squibs or squips of smoke as it collapses clearly represent Explosive demolition.

00:48:43.000 Classic.

00:48:44.000 Beautiful demolition.

00:48:45.000 I mean, most controlled demolitions that are public, they don't do it this well.

00:48:48.000 Tiny pile.

00:48:49.000 The building fell inward on itself.

00:48:51.000 Didn't damage buildings.

00:48:52.000 25 feet away.

00:48:53.000 I've been there, folks.

00:48:54.000 It's amazing.

00:48:55.000 The good job the government did.

00:48:56.000 Even Dan Rather commenting on the collapse.

00:48:58.000 We have all these clips coming up.

00:49:00.000 For CBS News, said that the collapse was reminiscent of those pictures we all saw too much of on television before.

00:49:06.000 Where a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

00:49:14.000 And then you can also click on the website for about a 30-minute analysis I did personally of it on TV.

00:49:19.000 Questions about the highly suspicious nature of the building collapse remained comparatively mute until January 2004 when PBS documentary America Rebuilds, originally broadcast in September 2002, received attention across the internet.

00:49:32.000 The documentary was made infamous for one comment made by Larry Silverstein on the subject of 9-1-1.

00:49:38.000 Silverstein states, I remember getting a call from the Air and Fire Department telling me that they were not sure they could save the building.

00:49:44.000 We're going to be able to contain the fire and I said, that's a misquote, let me just, let me just, why read it?

00:49:50.000 We can just play the clip.

00:49:51.000 We'll play it when we get back.

00:49:52.000 And then the next clip is that we know that pull it means to bring down a building.

00:49:57.000 Because we have a clip from the same show, where a month later they're destroying the buildings that didn't collapse or fall, and they go, getting ready to pull Building 6, and then it cuts to a guy going, when we destroy a building with a controlled demolition, we do this, and he explains that that's what pull it means.

00:50:18.000 But, you know, I'm trying to hurry through this, and I'm going to end up not having time to do it, because we have a guest coming up, but let me just attempt to here.

00:50:28.000 For the following year and a half, the Internet and alternative talk of radio was aflame with talk of Building 7 and Silverstein's apparent admission.

00:50:35.000 For many, it is now the central issue of 9-11.

00:50:37.000 In June of 2005, this website reported Silverstein's only response to date.

00:50:42.000 It was an ambiguous comment made to the New York Post journalist Sam Smith.

00:50:45.000 Silverstein told Smith that he meant something else by pullet comment, but mysteriously refused to elaborate any further.

00:50:53.000 Silverstein Properties has finally provided a detailed explanation of what Silverstein meant about Building 7 being pulled.

00:50:59.000 We'll tell you about that when we get back.

00:51:02.000 What really happened September 11th and who stands to gain?

00:51:06.000 Alex Jones here, America.

00:51:07.000 We answer these vital questions and much, much more in my newest and most explosive documentary yet, 9-1-1, The Road to Tyranny.

00:51:13.000 In two hours and 24 minutes, we point a searing light of truth on the history of problem-reaction solution.

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00:54:07.000 Thank you.

00:54:10.000 Coming up in about 10 minutes, we're going to have Michael Bachnerik, who had a really good campaign against the Republican and Democratic candidates as a presidential candidate back in the 2004 election.

00:54:23.000 He's running against Michael McCaul, the dark horse who appeared out of Tom DeLay's bizarre redistricting, and won here in Austin, Texas, and in the rest of his district, stretching up into Williamson County and south of us.

00:54:40.000 And I certainly will be supporting Michael Bagnerik against Mr. Michael McCaul, so that is really exciting.

00:54:46.000 He'll be with us for the full next hour, but I'm going to get in and talk about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, for people that don't know him.

00:54:51.000 He's really an expert on that, and I think that's more of a compelling reason to vote for him than to hear all of his policies here locally.

00:54:58.000 I mean, if you're a constitutionalist, then you know automatically that they're going to follow the right policy, but we'll give Michael Bagnerik a chance to talk about some of that as well.

00:55:05.000 But it'd be good to have another Ron Paul up there in Congress.

00:55:08.000 That would be Two of them from Texas, the dynamic duo.

00:55:13.000 We'll have to see if he'd be as good as Ron Paul, but I'd take something close to Ron Paul.

00:55:18.000 It would be wonderful, of course, if Ron Paul were a guest with us monthly here on the air.

00:55:23.000 Larry Silverstein has now responded.

00:55:24.000 He has finally, after years of not talking, come out.

00:55:31.000 And Silverstein Properties are now saying, through the State Department, the same group that's demonized this show and others on this network, as part of their pathetic efforts to debunk 9-11 research, has posted the response from Silverstein's spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, has posted the response from Silverstein's spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, on its website, It reads as follows.

00:55:54.000 Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5.20 p.m.

00:55:57.000 on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours.

00:56:01.000 There were no serious casualties thanks to the heroism of the fire department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.

00:56:11.000 The Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings.

00:56:18.000 The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of World Trade Center 7 was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the World Trade Center Tower 1.

00:56:29.000 Break that down in the third hour and disprove all of that.

00:56:31.000 We're going to go back into this in the third hour.

00:56:32.000 On the afternoon of September 11th, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the fire department commander on the site of 7 World Trade Center.

00:56:39.000 The commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires.

00:56:44.000 Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including if necessary, to have them withdrawn from the building.

00:56:53.000 Later in the day, the fire commander ordered his firefighters out of the building.

00:56:57.000 At 5.20 p.m., the building collapsed.

00:56:59.000 No lives were lost at 7 World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

00:57:05.000 The State Department website then comments, as noted above, Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary.

00:57:11.000 He stated, I said, you know, he has a terrible loss of life.

00:57:15.000 Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.

00:57:17.000 Mr. McQuillan has stated that by it, Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.

00:57:24.000 The insurmountable problem with this explanation of Silverstein's statement is that there was no firefighters inside WTC7.

00:57:32.000 Dr. Sham Sunder of the National Institutes of Standards and Technologies, NIST, which investigated the collapse of WTC7, is quoted by Popular Mechanics in their own hit piece against us, as saying there were no firefighters in WTC-7.

00:57:46.000 The FEMA report on the collapse of May 2002 also says about WTC-7 collapse, no manual firefighting operations were taken by the FBI ever, period.

00:57:56.000 And it's got a bunch of other quotes here.

00:57:59.000 It just goes on and on. 0.93

00:58:00.000 It's just total baloney.

00:58:01.000 But before we end this hour, play the Silverstein clip, please.

00:58:04.000 Play him saying we gave the order to pull it.

00:58:07.000 I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

00:58:13.000 I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.

00:58:18.000 Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.

00:58:21.000 And they made that decision to pull.

00:58:23.000 And then we watched the building collapse.

00:58:29.000 And when we come back, we will play the clip of Dan Rather saying it looked like bombs.

00:58:34.000 And we'll play the clip in the very documentary where they say pull it means blowing a building up.

00:58:38.000 Then we'll come back in for news.

00:58:39.000 We've got Michael Bagnerick on.

00:58:42.000 Order a copy of this show for your friends and family at GCNlive.com or call 877-300-7645.

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00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:03.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 Alright, for stations that are just joining us in the last hour, we'll talk about a host of issues, including Larry Silverstein through the State Department.

00:59:25.000 Isn't that fitting through the known CIA echelon.

00:59:30.000 I mean, the State Department's even really above that.

00:59:34.000 But through the highest runes of power in the federal government, Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center complex, where a mysterious implosion of three buildings, never before happened, never happened since, he now, years after we've exposed him, years after he slipped up on TV and said that he blew up the building, he said, we pulled it.

00:59:56.000 And the firefighters are on record saying that as well.

01:00:04.000 Saying that there were clearly bombs in the buildings.

01:00:06.000 And all of that evidence, I've made whole films about it.

01:00:10.000 We've covered this in great detail.

01:00:11.000 Now, through the State Department, they're saying he meant pull firefighters.

01:00:15.000 But there's a problem.

01:00:16.000 The New York Fire Department says, the federal government says, the different agencies that studied the collapse have all said in their reports, firefighters never attempted to put the fires out.

01:00:27.000 They never entered the building.

01:00:29.000 It was seen as secondary from the other collapses.

01:00:32.000 They were in crisis mode.

01:00:33.000 They didn't even fight the fires in the immediate area in any of seven buildings that were on fire or had collapsed.

01:00:41.000 So the lies they put out have no connection even to reality.

01:00:47.000 And they also say that the building caught fire and collapsed.

01:00:49.000 This is the latest of four different reasons.

01:00:53.000 Because the North Tower fell and hit it and knocked out its central support column.

01:00:59.000 But we have the official video of it collapsing.

01:01:02.000 We have the official even 9-1-1 commission pattern that's in my film, Martial Law, where they show where the debris fields fell.

01:01:12.000 Nothing but dust hit Building 7.

01:01:14.000 I mean, if you've been to downtown Manhattan, it's way down the street, folks.

01:01:17.000 I mean, it's far away.

01:01:19.000 Buildings like Millennium Hilton and Bankers Trust right up against the towers.

01:01:24.000 We're either not damaged, or if they had a tower fall on them, it would burn, but nothing collapsed.

01:01:30.000 I mean, we've been there, we videotaped it, we made a film about it.

01:01:33.000 So this is all a complete and total fraud.

01:01:38.000 It just boggles the mind.

01:01:39.000 So coming up in the third hour, we will get into a lot of detail on this, but we already played Silverstein saying that they pulled it.

01:01:45.000 Now let's play a clip of Dan Rather, as it collapses, saying that it looks like it's controlled demolition and well-placed dynamite.

01:01:51.000 Here it is.

01:01:52.000 Again, what you're seeing are high shots.

01:01:56.000 Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.

01:02:00.000 Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.

01:02:02.000 It's amazing. - No.

01:02:11.000 Amazing, incredible, pick your word.

01:02:14.000 For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

01:02:29.000 So there's that clip.

01:02:29.000 Now this next clip is from the same PBS documentary where Silverstein says they pull the building.

01:02:34.000 This is a month later, when they were pulling down the other buildings that hadn't collapsed.

01:02:39.000 They're talking about one of the other buildings, and when they have a controlled demolition of it, they call it pulling the building.

01:02:45.000 Go ahead and roll it.

01:02:46.000 By mid-December, the Department of Design and Construction had leveled World Trade Center buildings 4 and 5.

01:02:52.000 and fire.

01:02:53.000 Hello?

01:02:56.000 Oh, we're getting ready to fall building six.

01:03:00.000 Thank you.

01:03:01.000 Thank you.

01:03:02.000 We have to be very careful how we demolish Building 6.

01:03:05.000 We were worried about the Building 6 coming down and then damaging the slurry wall, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.

01:03:15.000 And so then they go on to brag how they blew it up just right, and they call it pulling it.

01:03:19.000 And in the Dictionary of Engineering and Controlled Demolition, pulling means a controlled demolition.

01:03:26.000 We're going to pull the building.

01:03:28.000 And in fact, pullet is a subset of doing it with precision to not damage other nearby buildings.

01:03:35.000 A pullet operation is the most complex.

01:03:39.000 Which Building 7 was.

01:03:41.000 Central column is blown, it falls in on itself.

01:03:43.000 Neat little pile in one nice little pile.

01:03:46.000 Alright folks, we'll be right back with Michael Bagnerik, presidential candidate, who's now running for Congress.

01:03:52.000 Stay with us.

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01:07:06.000 All right, coming up in the next hour, I want to get into New Hampshire.

01:07:10.000 They're moving to pass state laws to bar gun confiscation by the federal or local governments in the aftermath of Katrina in New Orleans with the federal gun confiscation operation led by the U.S.

01:07:22.000 military and the FBI.

01:07:24.000 We'll also get into Larry Silverstein to the State Department responding to his comments about destroying WTC7 with controlled demolition with a classic pullet.

01:07:35.000 Uh, controlled demolition.

01:07:38.000 So we will get into those huge revelations.

01:07:40.000 Also, Errol Sharon is in critical condition right now from a second massive stroke.

01:07:47.000 Also has a hole in his heart and is really playing to life right now.

01:07:50.000 The 77-year-old hard-charging old war chieftain is holding on by his fingernails.

01:07:58.000 And some researchers, like Barry Hamish, who's really proven to be very accurate in the past, one of our Israeli friends, says it looks like it may be foul play.

01:08:06.000 Though I can imagine being overweight at 77 years old and running around working 16 hours a day would also kill you.

01:08:14.000 I am really honored to have Michael Bagnerik in studio with us for several reasons.

01:08:20.000 I've known Michael, I guess, about eight, nine years, and he's really been involved in local politics.

01:08:25.000 He's helped teach Constitution classes for free.

01:08:28.000 He really knows the Constitution, Bill of Rights.

01:08:31.000 He's done a lot of different local TV shows, radio shows.

01:08:34.000 He's been involved in the community.

01:08:35.000 He's helped a lot of people that have had trouble with the corrupt government and the police being out of control.

01:08:42.000 And then, he came from nowhere, really, just on his eloquence and his understanding of our form of government, and was able to beat out some formidable opponents for a highly contested libertarian presidential nomination.

01:08:58.000 I mean, this is the guts of what Americana is all about.

01:09:03.000 I mean, I'm almost calling Jacksonian in that, you know, this guy, grassroots coming from nowhere, and he really injected a lot of important information into the national debate.

01:09:13.000 And the Libertarian Party really is the only real third party, the only serious one that doesn't, you know, flash in the pan or comment across the night.

01:09:22.000 I agree with most of the policies and views of the Libertarian Party.

01:09:26.000 I'm more of a conservative Libertarian if you had to use the popular lexicon's terms.

01:09:31.000 I don't think terms are too wide to ever be able to really name an individual with all the diversity.

01:09:37.000 But he's now running against one of the worst congressmen there is, who was literally installed, and that's Michael McCaul.

01:09:45.000 Who, of course, is married to the owner of Clear Channel's daughter, and who just so happens to own the voting machines, but we're not going to get off into all that today.

01:09:53.000 And he's right here running for District 10 against Michael McCall.

01:09:57.000 We've also had Stahl on, who's running for the State Senate against the corridors and the toll roads and all that.

01:10:03.000 So we're trying to really... I mean, Texas is the front line.

01:10:06.000 We are under massive attack, and everything that's happening here is coming to your area.

01:10:10.000 So this affects everybody in the country.

01:10:12.000 And Michael Bagnerik, thank you so much for coming on with us.

01:10:15.000 Thanks so much, Jack.

01:10:16.000 It's good to see you again.

01:10:18.000 You bet.

01:10:18.000 It is really exciting to have you here in studio with us today.

01:10:24.000 Why don't you, Michael, just kind of recap what happened during the Libertarian presidential campaign, and then I want to go through some of your personal views and policies on the toll roads in Texas and the Supreme Court ruling on private property, and then I want to just get into the Constitution itself and the true role of government.

01:10:42.000 Well, let me first say that I'm honored and very privileged to have been nominated.

01:10:48.000 There was nobody on the convention floor more surprised than I was.

01:10:54.000 I had done my best to bring libertarians into the party to help push the ideas forward.

01:11:01.000 We participated in the presidential debate that Saturday night and the first vote Gary Nolan, Aaron Russo, and I split the vote, 33% each, and it was very, very dramatic and exciting.

01:11:19.000 After I won the nomination, John Earhart and I traveled about 75,000 miles by air.

01:11:25.000 We visited 42 states, I believe, trying to do, I think we totaled up to 400 interviews during that time.

01:11:34.000 And one thing that was not known, David Cobb of the Green Party and I are both legitimate candidates for legitimate political parties.

01:11:44.000 We were both arrested in St.

01:11:46.000 Louis attempting to attend the presidential debate.

01:11:50.000 They handcuffed us.

01:11:52.000 I remember that.

01:11:53.000 Well, Alan Teese was on the list back in 96 of Republican presidential candidates.

01:11:58.000 He was getting about 12% at the time, so they were afraid of him.

01:12:01.000 They actually kidnapped him, drove him around for an hour, and threw him out in a crack-infested neighborhood. 0.65

01:12:07.000 Did that happen to you?

01:12:08.000 No.

01:12:08.000 What they did was, they were very polite.

01:12:10.000 Once we got through the police line, They arrested us, handcuffed us, put us into a police van, and left us there.

01:12:17.000 Well, about 20 minutes later, a police officer came up and said, which one of you guys is a presidential candidate?

01:12:24.000 And I said, well, we are both presidential candidates, we are at a presidential debate, and you have us in handcuffs.

01:12:31.000 I said, can you explain that to me?

01:12:33.000 The guy says, let me get back to you on that.

01:12:35.000 Well, Alan Keyes was even on the list.

01:12:37.000 In fact, they had Nader on and then pulled him just because the Republicans said so and then nothing ever happened.

01:12:42.000 He wasn't even allowed to be in the audience.

01:12:43.000 Right.

01:12:44.000 Well, that's basically what we were trying to do is to be in the audience.

01:12:47.000 I also was acting as a process server.

01:12:50.000 The third debate in Arizona was on paid for by tax money on a tax-funded campus and so the Arizona Libertarians filed a lawsuit and said you either have to let Michael in the debate or shut down the debate and we had this court order that I was going to try to present to the... Oh, that's right!

01:13:12.000 You even get the courts ordering it and they still ignore it.

01:13:15.000 That's the thing about the government now.

01:13:17.000 They just do whatever they want.

01:13:18.000 I never really got a chance to present that paperwork.

01:13:21.000 So, the interesting thing as far as I'm concerned... Well, my point is that it had been in the news that you guys had the order.

01:13:27.000 They knew and they just didn't care.

01:13:29.000 And, well, it was never advertised.

01:13:31.000 The fact that David and I had been arrested was only broadcast on my blog and his blog.

01:13:36.000 We covered it here.

01:13:37.000 Oh, that's excellent, thank you.

01:13:39.000 So, we were trying to get that information out.

01:13:41.000 But you'd think that would be newsworthy, because all over the country they were talking about how they were shutting everybody out of the debate.

01:13:46.000 How are we going to have a legitimate third party if we can't ever even get people in the debate?

01:13:51.000 There should be ten guys up there. 0.98

01:13:52.000 Absolutely.

01:13:53.000 So, it was a very interesting and exciting process.

01:13:57.000 I'm, again, honored to have been able to represent the Libertarian Party.

01:14:01.000 And this year, in order to continue lighting the fires of liberty, we've decided the best thing for me to do is to run for Congress in 2006.

01:14:12.000 Well, that's exciting, and I want to talk about later why you're doing that.

01:14:15.000 Just out of the gate, I don't think most Americans realize that when we've been saying 6,000 miles of toll roads, it's now 8,000 miles of toll roads.

01:14:22.000 This is official.

01:14:23.000 And the whole country only has 7,000 miles of toll roads.

01:14:25.000 We're going to have transponders and all the inspection stickers.

01:14:28.000 We narrowly beat that bill last year.

01:14:30.000 That was going to start this year.

01:14:31.000 But TxDOT's still moving ahead with this program to turn basically all major roads into toll roads.

01:14:38.000 It's just massive.

01:14:39.000 What would you do as a Libertarian Congressman?

01:14:44.000 I mean, Ron Paul says he's against these tax and track toll roads.

01:14:48.000 What would you do?

01:14:49.000 I'm also against them.

01:14:51.000 Libertarians in general would like to privatize issues.

01:14:56.000 We don't want to eliminate the decision, we just want to move the decision-making process from Washington, or the state government, into the local county governments, or better, for education, back into the individual homes.

01:15:10.000 So see, they advertise this as privatization, but it's not.

01:15:12.000 It's like in Russia, when they pay off the president, and then he just gives an industry to some robber baron, or they call them oligarchs over there.

01:15:20.000 Then they just, oh, here, you're a foreign Spanish company, we're going to give you our existing roads, and then let you run them and tax people to use them, acting basically as a government entity.

01:15:30.000 So, I see modern privatization really as simply corporations becoming government.

01:15:35.000 You don't see that as privatization, do you?

01:15:37.000 No, I don't see that as privatization.

01:15:38.000 And what they generally do is they take a word and then change the definition and then feed it back to you.

01:15:44.000 So would privatization be if a group of investors got together and bought right-of-ways and built their own toll road and said, if you want to use it, pay us 50 cents?

01:15:53.000 That's right.

01:15:54.000 It had to be an investment.

01:15:56.000 It's not simply the lack of fact that you've elected any of these people.

01:16:01.000 You know, these people, if the government is giving this monopoly to a particular company, just because you haven't voted for the corporation heads, that doesn't mean that that's a privatized entity.

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01:16:27.000 Yeah, I think that's an invasion of our privacy.

01:16:27.000 What do you think about that?

01:16:31.000 It is very much that one world order that you're telling people about.

01:16:37.000 Well, the good news is the majority of Texas counties have now passed resolutions against it and are moving to file lawsuits and block it, so that's good news.

01:16:46.000 That is good news.

01:16:49.000 Very, very lucky because I think that the toll road is supposed to pass right through District 10.

01:16:55.000 Yes.

01:16:56.000 And the government is going to be using eminent domain to abscond with people's property.

01:17:01.000 And that goes into my next question.

01:17:02.000 Yes, the main artery, the main central trunk or hub is I-35 from Mexico up into Canada right through Minneapolis-St.

01:17:10.000 Paul, as you know, Michael.

01:17:12.000 And yes, they're saying that ten miles on each side, they can just take it and then not even pay you just compensation.

01:17:18.000 That's the new spin in the New London thing.

01:17:20.000 Not just they're saying, if some private group wants to pay off a politician to take your land, we can take it.

01:17:25.000 Now it's that we give you what we say the value is.

01:17:28.000 Right.

01:17:29.000 And this is one of the things that I debate with people on.

01:17:32.000 They tell me that the Constitution, specifically the Fifth Amendment, allows eminent domain But it's the question of, you know, what is just compensation?

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01:17:44.000 If you're buying something from me, you know, I decide what the cost is.

01:17:48.000 Best use to demonstrate.

01:17:50.000 And then you can decide whether you want to pay them.

01:17:52.000 But they're not even doing that.

01:17:53.000 They condemn your house and then say, OK, it's only worth the lot value.

01:17:56.000 Even though you've got a $300,000 house on the books, we're just going to give you lot value.

01:18:01.000 Within a few weeks of the Supreme Court decision on Kelo versus New London, I got about a dozen anonymous phone calls from across the country.

01:18:11.000 People know that I'm a constitutional scholar and they were calling to ask, the Supreme Court can't do that, can they?

01:18:17.000 And realistically, these people already know the answer.

01:18:20.000 They're just calling me so that I would confirm what they already know.

01:18:24.000 Let's talk about that in detail and get into the Constitution.

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01:18:35.000 But I want to specifically, because it's one thing to say the federal government or the state government, and they want to build a hospital or a road, can make you sell.

01:18:43.000 For a good value of the property.

01:18:46.000 But what about when private corporations want your land?

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01:23:00.000 Of course, he was a Libertarian presidential candidate.

01:23:02.000 Gave him a good run.

01:23:03.000 And he's now running for Congress, District 10, right here deep in the heart of Texas.

01:23:07.000 Imagine having another Ron Paul, both of them from Texas.

01:23:11.000 Is Paul's district still called 14 after they rewrote it?

01:23:14.000 As far as I know, yes.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, they really wrote it to beat him, but he's saying it's not going to work.

01:23:21.000 I mean, his own party.

01:23:22.000 Imagine Ron Paul's own party, the Republicans, riding the district up to give it to the Democrats over him.

01:23:28.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 And I think they were a little bit surprised when the Democrats did not run a candidate in 2004.

01:23:33.000 Ron Paul was unopposed, fortunately.

01:23:37.000 And so we're a little bit interested to see who's going to be running against him in 2006.

01:23:45.000 Absolutely.

01:23:46.000 Who's the Democrat?

01:23:47.000 Who are they trying to run against McCaul?

01:23:50.000 Against McCaul, we have five Democrats that have recently registered, and they're going to have to go through their primary to decide which of their candidates is going to be the nominee.

01:24:02.000 You know, I mean, this is just my advice.

01:24:04.000 I know Ron Paul would win in Central Texas.

01:24:06.000 Isn't there any way you can kind of brand yourself as a Ron Paul libertarian?

01:24:09.000 I'm certainly hoping to.

01:24:10.000 I want people to know that I'm a Ron Paul with attitude.

01:24:14.000 I want to go to Washington, D.C.

01:24:16.000 and really stir things up.

01:24:18.000 I'd love it.

01:24:18.000 I mean, Michael, you know what?

01:24:21.000 Nobody needs to be beaten worse than Michael McCaul.

01:24:23.000 I don't think people really know his record.

01:24:24.000 Instead of bashing him all day, our listeners know he's bad news, but I mean, Janet Reno's toady on Waco and a bunch of other horrible stuff, Chinagate, protecting the Chi-Coms, and then now he's this little anti-terror czar up in Congress. 1.00

01:24:38.000 I mean, he's a nightmare.

01:24:39.000 Well, we're going to be working very, very hard in District 10.

01:24:42.000 We're beginning a listening tour this month where we're going to go out and talk to the voters.

01:24:48.000 We want to know what the voters think about Washington government.

01:24:52.000 What they think about the Texas corridor and all the issues here in Central Texas.

01:24:58.000 Well I think having a successful presidential candidate, I mean you were successful, got a lot of attention, got a lot of information out to people.

01:25:03.000 I think that really adds an entree to you and plus you're from right here in Austin.

01:25:07.000 Well, I think what sets me apart is the fact that I am willing to work so hard.

01:25:13.000 We have an office staff already who we're putting in 10 to 12 hours a day, and this is just the beginning of the campaign.

01:25:19.000 We have every intention of walking the district, shaking hands, and meeting as many of the constituents as possible.

01:25:25.000 Well, we know this. 1.00

01:25:26.000 We know the Democrats are all a bunch of pro-war mongering idiots. 1.00

01:25:29.000 We know they're for big government, gun control. 1.00

01:25:31.000 Michael Bagnerik isn't, are you?

01:25:32.000 No.

01:25:33.000 No, absolutely.

01:25:34.000 Again, we want to reduce the size of government. 0.55

01:25:37.000 If we got rid of the IRS and you got to keep your money, you'd probably do something really silly like spend it.

01:25:44.000 And do we have small businesses springing up all over the place?

01:25:47.000 Well, Mike, when this country had a 20% growth rate a year, a hundred and something years ago, we didn't have an income tax and the government had some puny tariffs that were meant just to protect our industries.

01:25:58.000 That's right.

01:25:59.000 Why can't we go back to that?

01:26:00.000 Well, I think that we can.

01:26:01.000 And that's what I would like to do.

01:26:05.000 Whatever your job is, you make 100% of your pay and the government takes a certain percentage of it.

01:26:11.000 And that percentage keeps getting larger.

01:26:14.000 Well, either you can take your money home, or you can give it to the government.

01:26:17.000 Who spends your money better?

01:26:19.000 You, or the government that's supposed to represent you?

01:26:22.000 Well, the thing is, the government, even in major studies they've had over the last 30 years, that they really get more into their treasury when they lower taxes.

01:26:31.000 People go, how does that work?

01:26:32.000 Because the economy speeds up so fast.

01:26:33.000 Kennedy cut taxes by 50%, and the treasury in one year, the amount of receipts coming in, doubled.

01:26:40.000 Well, then why do they want to jack them up even more?

01:26:42.000 It's about control.

01:26:43.000 They're trying to control the economy.

01:26:45.000 And if the Federal Reserve can print more money, why do they need to take your taxes if they could just print more?

01:26:51.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:26:52.000 The Federal Reserve right now, Michael, is going into overdrive.

01:26:55.000 The new chairman is saying he's going to print money even faster than Greenspan, and inflation is really at about 10%, but even if it's 5% like they claim it is, If growth in the economy is 3.4, over a decade you're losing a lot of money.

01:27:11.000 That is actually recessionary.

01:27:13.000 Your comments?

01:27:14.000 I agree.

01:27:15.000 I think that people need to understand that a little bit more.

01:27:19.000 But I think that as soon as you start talking about the Federal Reserve, most people on the sidewalk just kind of their eyes glaze over.

01:27:26.000 It's a little bit too complicated for them as the first thing to talk about.

01:27:29.000 Maybe you should just tell them the Federal Reserve doesn't like Vince Young.

01:27:35.000 Well, I just want to tell them that we're going to let them spend their money.

01:27:40.000 And, you know, let them decide the best way to improve their life.

01:27:44.000 We get the economy going again, that's good for everybody.

01:27:47.000 But I mean, maybe we should just boil it down to like, ugging and grunting, and just say that Well, I think that the American public is figuring it out.

01:27:54.000 are mean to kitty cats and puppies.

01:27:57.000 I mean, the American people better figure out what the fellow reserve is.

01:28:00.000 Well, I think that the American public is figuring it out.

01:28:04.000 As I said earlier, after the Supreme Court decision on Kelo versus New London...

01:28:08.000 We were going to talk about that.

01:28:09.000 Now we've got a break again.

01:28:10.000 But I want to get into that when we get back.

01:28:12.000 What are we going to talk about with that, of the Kelo?

01:28:15.000 I was just going to point out that people, that decision brought people into the political arena that had never been concerned about politics before.

01:28:23.000 Oh, you're saying it was a wake-up call?

01:28:25.000 It was a wake-up call, absolutely a wake-up call, and I think that in the long run that's going to be very helpful to it.

01:28:31.000 Well, let's go through just your 101 when we get back.

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01:32:07.000 I ought to call my friend Chris Athanas and get a copy of that that he produced for local TV and maybe even sell it out of the office or something once I approach him about it, but we never did anything.

01:32:16.000 It's just an hour-long program where Michael Bagnerich is sitting there in the backyard at a table going through the Constitution, but then Christopher Annis built all these graphics to explain it and how it works.

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01:32:31.000 Red Beckman, in years past, one of the granddaddies of this movement for liberty, rediscovering liberty, you know, he had like four or five hour seminars he would go over explaining, you know, the role of the people above the government, not the people below the government.

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01:35:41.000 Michael Bagnerik, again, former presidential candidate on the Libertarian ticket in 2004.

01:35:44.000 Their last major candidate, one of their most successful.

01:35:48.000 Now running for Congress.

01:35:49.000 I think he has a shot at it against Michael McCaul, District 10.

01:35:53.000 And that's up, you know, from Georgetown down south of Austin.

01:35:57.000 It is the Central Capital District.

01:35:59.000 He'd be another Ron Paul.

01:36:00.000 His policies are excellent up there on the Hill.

01:36:04.000 We need him.

01:36:05.000 Before we get into the Constitution, and you really are a constitutional scholar and you teach those classes, which makes you the right man for the job, tell us about your website, your campaign, how folks get involved.

01:36:17.000 The website is very easy.

01:36:19.000 It's badnarik.org.

01:36:21.000 B-A-D-N-A-R-I-K dot O-R-G. 1.00

01:36:26.000 And you can go there, find out our address, our phone number.

01:36:32.000 Our phone number is 512-637-6860.

01:36:34.000 is 512-637-6860.

01:36:40.000 And if you live...

01:36:42.000 Well, we are making this a nationwide campaign.

01:36:45.000 We want people to call in from all 50 states.

01:36:49.000 Ron Paul gets contributions from all 50 states, and we're hoping to do very close to the same thing.

01:36:57.000 Well, it's going to take money to go after the Chi-Com's operative, Michael McCall.

01:37:05.000 Give that website out again, and please give us that phone number again.

01:37:08.000 The website is badnarek.org, B-A-D-N-A-R-E-K. 0.69

01:37:13.000 N A R I K dot O R G and the phone number is 512-637-6860.

01:37:18.000 And we've got a link to it up on InfoWars.com, but will you spell out Bagnart for us?

01:37:31.000 Yes, B as in boy, A, D as in dog, N A R I K. 0.98

01:37:37.000 Folks, you need to go to Infowars.com if you didn't write that down or if you missed that address.

01:37:42.000 We have a big link to it right there in the guest section on the front page to Michael Bagnerik's website.

01:37:48.000 Now, we've got some time in this segment.

01:37:51.000 Let's go through, for those that don't know, I know most of our audience is pretty well educated, I mean, there's so much to know about the Founding Fathers, the struggle, why America was different, what a republic is, and then maybe talk about the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Tenth Amendment, some of the things that are really under attack right now, and where Washington has gone wrong, because Washington just announces itself as God, and so many people think, well, if they say they're God, they must be.

01:38:17.000 Well, I think the best thing to do is to go back to the beginning.

01:38:21.000 We have a problem with, you know, which came first, chicken or the egg.

01:38:24.000 But we do not have a problem with which came first, the people or Congress.

01:38:29.000 Obviously, the people came first. 0.85

01:38:31.000 We invented Congress.

01:38:33.000 And Article 1, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution says that all powers herein granted The power that Congress has is granted to them by the people.

01:38:46.000 Government has privileges.

01:38:48.000 We, the people, have rights.

01:38:51.000 And you need to know the difference.

01:38:52.000 Anyone who denies that need only look to the preamble of the Declaration of Independence.

01:38:57.000 Right.

01:38:58.000 We have the right to alter or abolish any government that is violating our rights.

01:39:04.000 But we're also compelled.

01:39:05.000 It's our duty.

01:39:06.000 Yes, later in the Declaration it does say that.

01:39:11.000 The foundation of my Constitution class is the difference between rights and privileges.

01:39:18.000 A right is something that you can do without asking for permission.

01:39:22.000 A privilege, on the other hand, is something that someone of a higher authority allows you to do.

01:39:27.000 So a right is organic and springs from the wellspring of human life and this planet.

01:39:33.000 I mean, we have the right to not be slaves.

01:39:35.000 We have the right to defend ourselves if someone's trying to kill us.

01:39:37.000 Absolutely.

01:39:38.000 We have the right to not go be slaves in the military.

01:39:43.000 Well, to put it simply, we have the right to be left alone.

01:39:46.000 Yes.

01:39:47.000 So, we the people have rights.

01:39:49.000 We gave certain limited privileges to the government.

01:39:53.000 The government works for us, not the other way around.

01:39:56.000 They have limited powers that they've been delegated by us, their bosses.

01:40:00.000 Absolutely.

01:40:01.000 Now, you and I both know that they haven't paid attention to the Constitution.

01:40:04.000 I doubt that they've read it.

01:40:06.000 They've usurped it aggressively and are now trying to perfect a total despotism.

01:40:13.000 Absolutely.

01:40:14.000 So, simple examples.

01:40:16.000 I will wager none of your listeners has a church permit.

01:40:23.000 Nobody within the sound of our voice has filled out a government form that allows them to exercise their religion.

01:40:30.000 Because religion is... we have a right to freedom of religion.

01:40:35.000 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

01:40:39.000 Absolutely.

01:40:40.000 And if you ask somebody for their church permit, they look at you like you've grown another head.

01:40:45.000 Well, that's the way the First Amendment works. 0.76

01:40:47.000 Well, if that's true, then why do you or I have to get a concealed carry permit in order to exercise our right to keep and bear arms?

01:40:56.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:40:56.000 We think it's a victory to get a concealed carry, and after two years, crime in every state drops by around 20%.

01:41:01.000 You know, some states 18, some 25.

01:41:02.000 Florida's like 25, we're about 20%.

01:41:06.000 People think, well, at least crime's going down, I can carry a gun, but wait a minute, they've now turned a right into a privilege, you're acquiescing, and by color of law, possession is nine-tenths of the law, by the basic custom, you are now creating a false common law that it is a privilege.

01:41:22.000 That's right.

01:41:23.000 It's kind of a de facto law, it's just the way everybody assumes that it is.

01:41:27.000 I guess I could have just shortened my whole diagraph and said color of law.

01:41:30.000 Yeah.

01:41:33.000 One of the big things that happened last year was the Supreme Court decision on Kelo versus New London.

01:41:39.000 The whole purpose of the Constitution and the government that it creates is to protect your life, your liberty, and private property.

01:41:48.000 And the Kelo decision basically struck that down, reversed everything, and said the government can take your property pretty much for anything it wants.

01:41:57.000 And as I said earlier, I had about a dozen anonymous phone calls, people calling me up to confirm that, I mean, the Supreme Court's not supposed to be able to do that.

01:42:07.000 Well, they do it because they can get away with it.

01:42:10.000 We the people need to stand up and we need to, we need to understand the Constitution.

01:42:15.000 We need to understand what privileges we have given the government so that when the government violates those privileges, we can call them to task.

01:42:24.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:42:25.000 I mean, a citizen's rulebook, and you've got one right here.

01:42:27.000 You've got the United States Constitution, you know, right here.

01:42:31.000 It's so simple.

01:42:32.000 I mean, this is what America is.

01:42:35.000 Absolutely.

01:42:36.000 And the average person, they know all about Vince Young's passing record, they know all about the Dallas Cowboys, which, fine, if you want to know about that, know about it.

01:42:45.000 Why I get angry is, though, they know nothing about the playbook of America.

01:42:50.000 But they'll tell you they've got rights all day, they'll tell you it's a free country, but then I know, because I've researched this in depth, and you know because you've researched it, they're totally violating it.

01:42:50.000 That's right.

01:43:00.000 I mean, the new London Supreme Court ruling for those that don't know, and I want you to elaborate on this.

01:43:05.000 But we've interviewed the parties involved.

01:43:07.000 The big secret is, as I said earlier, they don't just take your property, they then don't even give you what it says on the tax rolls it's worth.

01:43:15.000 And normally, best use could be anywhere from three to ten times what the tax roll says.

01:43:20.000 But $300,000 houses, $307,000 in one case, they go, well we'll give you $50,000 because of a lot price.

01:43:27.000 But if you fight us in court, this happened five years ago, we're then going to charge you back taxes on rent of your own property and you won't get anything.

01:43:36.000 And we'll actually put a lien on you for taxes and say you owe us money.

01:43:40.000 So you're going to owe us money because we're going to take your house.

01:43:43.000 These are nice homes.

01:43:45.000 And the New London case specifically, said that if a local politician wants to just give your land or say they're going to give your land to some local private developer because he can do something better with it and quote pay more taxes that goes back to the Queen saying I'm gonna take your noble lands and give it to another noble because he says he can do more for me I mean that is that not classical feudalism?

01:44:11.000 Absolutely!

01:44:13.000 Absolutely.

01:44:13.000 And again, once people start to recognize that, and I think they are.

01:44:17.000 That's why I'm optimistic.

01:44:19.000 I think the average person on the street is starting to understand just how vast the usurpation of government power has been.

01:44:29.000 I mean, your listeners have been following you for a long time.

01:44:31.000 They know most of these details.

01:44:33.000 The thing is that your average person on the street is starting to pick up on that and... But we've now got about ten new affiliates in the last two weeks, so we've got a lot of new listeners.

01:44:43.000 Boil it down for them.

01:44:46.000 The purpose of the Constitution and the government is to protect your property.

01:44:49.000 They're not.

01:44:50.000 They're taking your property, they're not even paying you for it.

01:44:54.000 We just had the President admit on television not long ago that, oh yes, we are spying on people inside the United States and well We didn't get a warrant because that was really kind of a nuisance for us, but it was in your best interest, so just trust me.

01:45:08.000 But then I had a problem with the FISA Court where they can come back in a month.

01:45:11.000 That isn't even really a real warrant either.

01:45:13.000 I understand that.

01:45:14.000 Now rubber stamps aren't even good enough.

01:45:17.000 It is absolutely horrendous.

01:45:18.000 I think the American people are waking up to all this, and I am hoping that the system starts to Expose itself for what it is.

01:45:28.000 Why do you think the elite right now, Michael Bagner, that own the Republicans and Democrats, like so much change in their pocket, why do you think they're even dispensing with, you know, they kind of left some of the trappings of America there.

01:45:39.000 We all knew it was already gone.

01:45:41.000 Now we're trying to restorate, get it back.

01:45:43.000 Right.

01:45:44.000 I've heard you say that many times.

01:45:45.000 How then, I mean, why is the elite just so arrogant right now?

01:45:50.000 I don't know that.

01:45:51.000 I wish I did understand why they think the things they do.

01:45:55.000 I think it would help us to defeat them at the polls.

01:46:00.000 My job right now is just to take this message to the people in District 10.

01:46:05.000 Again, we are going to be walking the district, shaking hands with people.

01:46:08.000 I want to get to know what people think, get an opportunity to talk to them.

01:46:12.000 This is not rocket science.

01:46:14.000 This is really simple stuff.

01:46:16.000 Why do they think they can get away with it?

01:46:18.000 I guess they've gotten away with so much more in the past that... I don't know, but I'm not going to let them do it.

01:46:25.000 I'm going to basically, you know, win this election.

01:46:29.000 I'm going to become the first Libertarian in Congress.

01:46:31.000 I'm going to be there to back up Ron Paul.

01:46:34.000 And I think that when I win, this is going to shake up the political community.

01:46:40.000 Americans across the nation are going to understand that they do have a choice that Libertarians can win.

01:46:47.000 And I think that this is going to be the beginning of restoring the republic that you and I love so much.

01:46:54.000 Well, I tell you, I mean, all over the country people are ready.

01:46:58.000 I mean, there are a bunch of states introducing legislation to secede right now in the North, the South.

01:47:03.000 I mean, there's wild stuff happening.

01:47:05.000 We need to make sure that serious professional people like yourself are leading this instead of the buffoons the media tries to so often focus in on.

01:47:15.000 What about the Second Amendment, Michael?

01:47:16.000 We saw actual gun confiscation of even the undamaged areas, the unflooded areas, The Army's first mission, with the FBI leading them, and this is all on national news, was to come in and go into rich people's homes, even.

01:47:29.000 I say that because, you know, the poor folks are usually who they do this to.

01:47:32.000 Now it's, we're going into the million-dollar houses, we're going to put you down in the dirt, take your guns, and then let you stay in your house where you can't defend yourself.

01:47:39.000 What would you do as a congressman if you saw that happening?

01:47:42.000 Well, I would make the announcement that 20,000 gun laws in the United States are unconstitutional.

01:47:48.000 Because they infringe on your right to self-defense and the right to defend your children.

01:47:54.000 Self-defense is a natural right.

01:47:57.000 Everybody has... It is the most base right.

01:48:00.000 Only slaves are not allowed to defend themselves.

01:48:02.000 That's right.

01:48:03.000 And one of the reasons that I left California and moved to Texas It was because the California legislature passed 18 anti-gun laws, six of which would turn me into a felon overnight.

01:48:17.000 That was a decade ago or so.

01:48:18.000 That was about February and March of 1997.

01:48:24.000 You know, I have always said that I am not going to turn over my guns to any state or federal authority, period.

01:48:32.000 We need to retain the right to defend ourselves and the right to defend our country.

01:48:37.000 And any government official that is trying to take your guns away from you is trying to make you a victim.

01:48:44.000 Well, I mean, it's crazy.

01:48:45.000 I mean, imagine going to the cops and telling them, give us your guns.

01:48:48.000 We're not saying that.

01:48:49.000 They should be able to defend themselves.

01:48:51.000 Why do they want my guns?

01:48:52.000 I know most police say they don't want our guns, but I mean, we saw in New Orleans and now in L.A., they're banning a lot of guns.

01:48:58.000 San Francisco's outright banned them.

01:48:59.000 We have Republican governors from Schwarzenegger to Pataki going after guns.

01:49:03.000 We have Mayor Bloomberg saying he's declared war on guns.

01:49:07.000 And I mean, how does that keep me safe when the cop pulls me over and has to search my car for guns?

01:49:11.000 I mean, it's a joke!

01:49:12.000 It is a joke.

01:49:13.000 And statistically, any time you have strong gun control, such as Washington, D.C., New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, you also have high crime and murder.

01:49:23.000 In all the places where people are allowed to carry guns and defend themselves, the crime rate is very low or drops precipitously as soon as they pass the law.

01:49:32.000 Well, exactly.

01:49:33.000 In England, after they confiscated guns about a decade ago, Every year the crime rate doubles until now.

01:49:41.000 In international statistics, they have a much higher crime rate than America.

01:49:45.000 They're number one industrialized Asians. 0.95

01:49:47.000 We're number 14.

01:49:49.000 Only Switzerland is safer than the U.S.

01:49:51.000 But the mainstream media won't tell you those numbers.

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01:53:10.000 And now the third largest office-holding party in the country.

01:53:14.000 He's now running for District 10 right here in Central Texas against Michael McCaul, who really is one of the worst Congressmen we have. 0.56

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01:53:47.000 We're going to cycle through your calls quickly.

01:53:51.000 We hit that break and you were still going about, because you don't have your headset on yet.

01:53:56.000 We'll do that when you take the calls.

01:53:59.000 We hit that break and you were still going about the Second Amendment and using the Kennesaw, Georgia example?

01:54:04.000 Right.

01:54:05.000 I was just contrasting.

01:54:06.000 All the cities that have gun control have high crime.

01:54:11.000 Kennesaw, Georgia is a small town just northwest of Atlanta.

01:54:15.000 And several years ago, they passed a law that requires a homeowner to have a gun.

01:54:21.000 Now, they've never arrested anybody for not having a gun, but it was interesting that as soon as they passed this law saying that, you know, homeowners have to have a gun, home invasions in that city dropped by 90%.

01:54:33.000 Nobody's crawling through anybody's window anymore because you could get hurt.

01:54:37.000 By the way, I've had their police chief on, I've had their mayor on, and that's true.

01:54:41.000 It was actually, I believe, 92% So it's even better, and the only reason I know that is because we have a section on the website about it.

01:54:51.000 But imagine, they were having a crime wave because all the crime was coming in from Atlanta, and now it's non-existent.

01:54:57.000 I mean, it's simple.

01:54:59.000 Take Texas here.

01:55:01.000 The criminals go into the inner city areas where they know people aren't armed.

01:55:04.000 They would never try to just go into somebody's house when people are there.

01:55:08.000 It's very rare because you do that, you die.

01:55:10.000 Absolutely.

01:55:11.000 I mean, you know, right here in this safe next to me, I've got it's a safe so nobody can get into it but me, I mean right now somebody comes in here and tries to harm me or my staff, it's bye-bye.

01:55:21.000 And that's not a bad thing, that's good.

01:55:24.000 It's a good thing.

01:55:25.000 Everybody has a survival instinct.

01:55:28.000 I talked to women who say they would do anything to protect their children.

01:55:33.000 And I said, well, if you have someone crawling through the window at 2 o'clock in the morning with a bloody machete, would you take a gun and use it to protect your children?

01:55:41.000 They said, oh no, that's dangerous.

01:55:43.000 Well then, clearly, you would not do anything to protect your children.

01:55:47.000 Why would you give up the one tool that would allow you to protect your children efficiently and safely?

01:55:53.000 Well, that's the crazy thing.

01:55:55.000 There was the famous case five years ago.

01:55:57.000 These cases we see every week, but I interviewed some of the family and people involved as they cried on air.

01:56:01.000 Remember the pitchfork murderer in Central California? 0.74

01:56:05.000 He was the next-door neighbor, but he went crazy in a middle-class neighborhood.

01:56:09.000 And the 14-year-old girl was a championship shooter.

01:56:11.000 Yes.

01:56:12.000 She was getting ready for the Olympics.

01:56:14.000 They were grooming her for that.

01:56:16.000 She was 100 yards, bullseye every time. 1.00

01:56:18.000 And he ran around for like 30 minutes with a blunt It wasn't even a sharp pitchfork.

01:56:24.000 Stabbing the toddler and stabbing the five-year-old.

01:56:27.000 She tried to get into the safe, but under the law, she wasn't allowed to have the safe number.

01:56:31.000 Under the law, it had to be locked up.

01:56:33.000 And it was in a big safe, and she didn't know the code.

01:56:36.000 And she was in an instant access pitchfork safe.

01:56:38.000 I can get in there in three seconds.

01:56:39.000 Well, she couldn't get in, and she had to leave.

01:56:41.000 And I think he killed her three siblings.

01:56:43.000 Right.

01:56:44.000 And she went next door to a neighbor, I believe, and got help from the neighbor.

01:56:47.000 Yes.

01:56:48.000 But, again, the government tries to pass laws that are, you know, one size fits all.

01:56:55.000 And as individuals, we all know that, you know, we don't all fit the same mold.

01:57:00.000 Well, you've got to really be domesticated to be afraid of guns.

01:57:03.000 I mean, that was the norm in this country, and now people are scared to death of them.

01:57:07.000 Well, our country, the United States, started in 1775 when the King's police officers came to confiscate our guns at Lexington and Concord.

01:57:17.000 And the Texas Revolution started it, and Gonzales over gun confiscation.

01:57:21.000 Absolutely.

01:57:22.000 The Mexican army tried to take our cannon, and we wrote up a quick flag that said, come and take it. 0.98

01:57:28.000 And we kicked their behind. 0.98

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01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

01:58:30.000 We're back live, now in the third and final hour, and in a few minutes we're going to go to your phone calls.

01:58:34.000 We're talking to a man who's running against the installed Republican, Michael McCaul, who's Republican in name only.

01:58:41.000 I think they call those rhinos.

01:58:43.000 He was Janet Reno's confidante, her attack dog, her minion who protected her on Chinagate.

01:58:48.000 Waco, and just so many other horrible things.

01:58:52.000 And Constitutional Scholar Michael Bagnerica is running against him in place 10, to be another Ron Paul for us, hailing from the great state of Texas.

01:59:04.000 So he is here with us in studio now for another 20 minutes or so.

01:59:08.000 I want to go to these calls, but Michael, any other points or issues you want to cover on the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and where America is going right now?

01:59:19.000 I just think that people need to read the Constitution and understand it.

01:59:22.000 I've written a book to make that all easier.

01:59:25.000 The name of the book is Good to be King.

01:59:27.000 You can get that at Amazon.com and other bookstores.

01:59:30.000 It lays out things in very simple terms.

01:59:33.000 To show how I'm out of the loop.

01:59:34.000 I want that.

01:59:34.000 Can I get a big discount and carry it?

01:59:36.000 Absolutely.

01:59:37.000 I mean, I've got a video on Bookstore right here.

01:59:38.000 Absolutely.

01:59:39.000 Get me a copy.

01:59:40.000 I'm sure it's excellent.

01:59:42.000 Tell us about Good to Be King.

01:59:44.000 It starts out with just the basic premise.

01:59:46.000 It starts out with Mel Brooks?

01:59:47.000 No, no, no.

01:59:49.000 I've never seen the tie.

01:59:50.000 Well, I did see the Mel Brooks movie.

01:59:52.000 I'm being sarcastic.

01:59:53.000 I'm joking.

01:59:53.000 Go ahead.

01:59:55.000 The idea is, why do we need any government at all?

02:00:01.000 Did the Founding Fathers get together and say, you know, the birds are singing, the crops are good, and everything is... It was a limited government just to protect our property.

02:00:08.000 Absolutely.

02:00:09.000 So... From other governments.

02:00:10.000 We go through, what, why this form of government?

02:00:13.000 Why not communism, or socialism, or some other version?

02:00:18.000 Why a constitutional republic?

02:00:21.000 And so once we understand why they wrote the Constitution, then the Constitution is not quite so mystifying.

02:00:27.000 It is not a living document.

02:00:29.000 The only people who call it a living document are the people who are trying to sell it.

02:00:32.000 Well, it's real simple.

02:00:33.000 Bush gets up and says, I'm Commander-in-Chief so I can rob banks.

02:00:36.000 He gets up and says, I can have martial law, I can spy on you, I'm Commander-in-Chief because they say I am.

02:00:40.000 He's only commander-in-chief when they declare war with a specific enemy name and a specific conflict and then they still levy the money and control him during that executive process.

02:00:49.000 The Legislative is supposed to be the strongest branch of government according to the stuff I've read, what the Founding Fathers wrote and debated.

02:00:56.000 But then you go look at it, what, Article 2?

02:00:57.000 Is it Section 2 of Article 2?

02:00:59.000 Where it says the Commander-in-Chief has to follow the Constitution.

02:01:02.000 It's not domestically.

02:01:04.000 He can't violate any of the Bill of Rights.

02:01:07.000 It's so limited, but the average person doesn't know what Article 2, Section 2 is.

02:01:11.000 Well, when the President or anybody else, any other government agent, takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, they don't go to the National Archive, you know, once a month and stand in front of the document and make sure nobody gets a smudge mark on it.

02:01:26.000 What they are defending is not the physical piece of paper.

02:01:28.000 They are defending the ideals.

02:01:31.000 Your private property.

02:01:32.000 That's the purpose of taking that oath of office.

02:01:35.000 Oh, you're absolutely right.

02:01:36.000 I mean, that's what it is.

02:01:37.000 Period.

02:01:38.000 So, and as soon as more and more of our friends and fellow Americans wake up to that fact, I do.

02:01:44.000 I am very optimistic.

02:01:46.000 I see things changing.

02:01:48.000 People are starting to understand.

02:01:51.000 And we're going to work very, very hard to win this election in District 10.

02:01:56.000 Well, you know, I've been a pessimist.

02:01:58.000 I've been doing this now for 12 years.

02:01:59.000 I've been a pessimist in the past, the last four or five years, and now even more and more.

02:02:03.000 I am really, it's always dark as before the dawn, for every action there's an equal or greater reaction.

02:02:08.000 All those cliches play in here.

02:02:11.000 I mean, literally my message, because it's genuine, it's backed up with fact, everything we cover every day is on the website.

02:02:18.000 But still, I'm not even the best at delivering a message.

02:02:21.000 I likened it to selling a life wrap to somebody who's in freezing waters.

02:02:27.000 My usual analogy is snow cones in hell.

02:02:30.000 I mean, people really are starting to get it.

02:02:32.000 Yes, they are.

02:02:33.000 And I'm very hopeful for that.

02:02:35.000 I want to get your prediction of when we're going to really overturn this corrupt system.

02:02:39.000 Or will it be more of a gradual thing?

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02:05:51.000 Michael Bagnarick, he was a presidential candidate for Libertarian's.

02:05:58.000 One of their more fiery elections in 2004 was basically kidnapped in one of the debates just for even being near the sacred building trying to get in.

02:06:10.000 And they are the only real big third party in this country.

02:06:13.000 How many elected public servants Who are Libertarians are in high office right now?

02:06:20.000 Well, we have 650 I think nationwide.

02:06:23.000 I'm very excited about the 2006 election.

02:06:26.000 It's an unofficial number, but I think we're going to have about 187 Libertarian candidates on the ballot in Texas.

02:06:34.000 And it just keeps growing.

02:06:35.000 I mean, you guys are, it's almost exponential.

02:06:37.000 Yes, it is.

02:06:38.000 And I'm very excited about that.

02:06:40.000 Well, I'm excited about it, too.

02:06:41.000 And, you know, libertarians are a diverse crowd.

02:06:43.000 They run the gamut from what you could call liberal libertarians to very conservative libertarians.

02:06:47.000 What would you call a Ron Paul?

02:06:48.000 I'd call him kind of a conservative libertarian.

02:06:52.000 I just call him a libertarian.

02:06:54.000 I mean, he ran as a Republican, but he is a strict constitutional libertarian.

02:07:01.000 He votes no on any legislation which violates the Constitution.

02:07:06.000 And his nickname in Congress, as your listeners probably know, is Dr. No.

02:07:13.000 I believe there were over 200 bills where 434 people voted in favor of it and one person, Ron Paul, voted against it.

02:07:24.000 No, he really does do that because we don't need more laws.

02:07:27.000 How many millions of laws are there? 0.69

02:07:30.000 I mean, I could see 200 years ago saying ignorance of the law is no excuse because there was only a couple hundred laws.

02:07:35.000 And it was pretty common sense stuff.

02:07:37.000 Don't steal, don't rape, don't embezzle. 0.61

02:07:39.000 Now, no one can follow all the laws.

02:07:43.000 Quite frankly, when I ran, just for a few weeks for Congress, I don't know that it's impossible, but it is definitely difficult.

02:07:50.000 as I got talked into it, the reason I quit doing it, I was getting a lot of support, was I looked at all the rules.

02:07:54.000 I was like, man, I can't even follow these.

02:07:56.000 This is like, I mean, do they write it where it's impossible? - I don't know that it's impossible, but it is definitely difficult.

02:08:03.000 And we have somebody on our campaign whose job it is to just read and understand the FBC rules.

02:08:10.000 So, you know, we have one person dedicated to keeping us out of trouble.

02:08:14.000 And up on infoawards.com is a link to the website, and he needs national support for this.

02:08:18.000 Another congressman like Ron Paul, and McNair has got a good record, folks, so I think you should support him.

02:08:24.000 Jason in Maryland, you're on the air with Michael McNair.

02:08:27.000 Go ahead.

02:08:27.000 Hello, Alex.

02:08:29.000 Thanks.

02:08:30.000 And hello, Michael.

02:08:31.000 I was wondering if you could speak about the more serious charges, if you are aware of them.

02:08:37.000 I'm sure you are.

02:08:39.000 um... against this administration uh... specifically the charges of taking the country to war under false pretense and fabricated intel Yeah, it's part of the record that they fabricated the intelligence, that they premeditatedly lied.

02:08:53.000 They've been caught red-handed.

02:08:54.000 What's your take on that?

02:08:55.000 Well, we haven't had a declared war since World War II.

02:08:59.000 And there's a reason, because they've got to follow rules when they do that.

02:09:02.000 That's right.

02:09:02.000 So, Korea, Vietnam, all of these aggressions are outside the Constitution.

02:09:08.000 They're police actions.

02:09:10.000 We just watched the Rose Bowl last night.

02:09:12.000 What do you think would have happened if the referee had given somebody a touchdown when their feet were outside, you know, the boundaries?

02:09:18.000 I mean, there would have been a national riot.

02:09:20.000 There would have been a riot.

02:09:22.000 Because if you're going to play football, you've got to play by the rules.

02:09:25.000 Well, if you're going to play international country, you have rules to live by.

02:09:29.000 And that's called the U.S.

02:09:30.000 Constitution.

02:09:31.000 And the minute, I mean, if some banana republic doesn't follow a rule, that's one thing.

02:09:34.000 The whole world is saying, we can preemptively attack people, we can torture, we can break the law, we can spy on people.

02:09:40.000 Instead of being a beacon of light now, China's going, hey, we're going to have more Tiananmen Squares than they just did a month ago, because you're having them. 0.96

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 So, you know, what I want is I want our representatives in Washington to follow and understand the Constitution.

02:09:54.000 Well, I understand all of that.

02:09:57.000 Would you move for Lord Bush's impeachment if you were in Congress?

02:10:00.000 Hello?

02:10:01.000 Yes, Jason, we hear you.

02:10:02.000 Yes, all of this is well said, but I'm speaking specifically about the charges filed by Prosecutor in Chicago about, you know, the foreknowledge and fabricated intel and the Not the whole 9-11, everything Alex is exposed.

02:10:21.000 Sir, that's not true.

02:10:22.000 People, that's disinfo that there's been all these indictments filed against Bush and people for that.

02:10:26.000 It's not true.

02:10:27.000 That's definitely not true.

02:10:29.000 Yes, it's not true.

02:10:30.000 Oh, okay.

02:10:31.000 Thank you.

02:10:31.000 You bet.

02:10:32.000 I appreciate the call.

02:10:33.000 I mean, I just, you know, we watch that, we watch those people make those claims, and now I'm just sure, and I was sure of it at the time when we said it, but I mean, it's just... No, Scooter Libby's been indicted.

02:10:44.000 Scooter Libby has been indicted.

02:10:46.000 No one else has been indicted.

02:10:49.000 Well, other than like Abramoff, but that's a separate situation.

02:10:52.000 He's pled guilty to conspiracy.

02:10:54.000 Government's doing things wrong, Michael?

02:10:59.000 I have to laugh.

02:11:01.000 I mean, the whole idea of the government telling the truth is kind of a surprise anymore.

02:11:07.000 Well, it gets attention when congressmen or women get up there and call for impeachment or call for people to get in trouble. 0.98

02:11:12.000 I mean, what should our Iraq exit strategy be?

02:11:15.000 What would your Iraq policy be?

02:11:18.000 I would try to bring our soldiers home as safely and quickly as possible.

02:11:22.000 We really shouldn't have been there in the first place.

02:11:25.000 The longer we stay there, the higher our terrorism threat goes up.

02:11:31.000 I would not make a plan to pull them out in one day, because that's physically impossible.

02:11:37.000 If I were president, I would give my military commanders the instructions to... A controlled exit!

02:11:43.000 We could be totally out of there in two months!

02:11:45.000 You know, and let's do it.

02:11:47.000 We've got to get out, we've got to stop tampering with the Middle East. 1.00

02:11:52.000 Well, let's face it, they're building six giant permanent bases.

02:11:56.000 The size of small cities, and then nobody's leaving.

02:11:58.000 We'll be there in 50 years.

02:11:59.000 Right.

02:11:59.000 I mean, Cheney said 20 years.

02:12:02.000 Well, World War II has been over with for over 50 years, and we don't have an exit strategy for Germany or Japan. 0.97

02:12:07.000 Notice how they keep lying, too.

02:12:09.000 They just keep going, well, it'll be another year, it'll be another year.

02:12:12.000 They told the troops, you'll be home by Christmas.

02:12:14.000 The road to home is Baghdad. 0.86

02:12:15.000 By the way, in World War II, they'd only make you do one tour 11 months.

02:12:18.000 Vietnam, 11 months.

02:12:19.000 They knew you'd break down.

02:12:20.000 Napoleon knew that.

02:12:23.000 Hitler knew that, and that's why he finally failed. 0.91

02:12:24.000 He tried to make his soldiers do three tours.

02:12:26.000 Some are starting their fourth tour, because some were there a year before the invasion, and that's very stressful.

02:12:32.000 But we've got three tours coming up, three 11s, almost three years coming up here very soon, and now there's debate.

02:12:41.000 Well, the soldiers are wimps having post-traumatic stress disorder.

02:12:45.000 I mean, this is serious low-intensity conflict, raiding houses every day.

02:12:49.000 I mean, imagine if the SWAT team had to do ten raids a day for three years.

02:12:53.000 I mean, the SWAT team can't do two raids a week without having post-traumatic stress.

02:12:58.000 No one has ever flushed our troops down the toilet like this.

02:13:01.000 I feel so strongly for our troops, and we need to bring them home so they can be with their families for the holidays and stuff.

02:13:09.000 I agree.

02:13:09.000 Stewart in Texas.

02:13:10.000 Stewart, go ahead.

02:13:11.000 Great.

02:13:12.000 Three quick comments and I'll hang up.

02:13:14.000 Michael, you mentioned ending the IRS, but that's not the answer.

02:13:18.000 They're just going to bring in something more controlling and worse.

02:13:21.000 Yeah, a dual sales tax along with it will be just as bad.

02:13:24.000 I agree.

02:13:25.000 It was just an example of what you could do with the money if the government wasn't taking it.

02:13:29.000 Okay.

02:13:29.000 And the McCall family, I've met these individuals and well, their family owns the voting machines.

02:13:37.000 And as a frustrated libertarian, I don't know if you need to get together with the Democrats that are running and kind of point that out.

02:13:45.000 Yeah, they're part of it, see?

02:13:46.000 They want to keep all that quiet.

02:13:47.000 Okay, last thing is... Because in some areas, they control those little special machines.

02:13:53.000 Right, and I guess that's true.

02:13:54.000 By the way, folks, that's really true.

02:13:56.000 His family really does own the machines.

02:13:58.000 That, what, 90% of his votes will be... But you know what?

02:14:01.000 If somebody wins by such great numbers, they still can't even pull a monkey.

02:14:07.000 Okay, and I've taken your Constitution class.

02:14:13.000 I've got your book.

02:14:14.000 It's great.

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02:14:20.000 My frustration with the Libertarians is they won't speak out on the Oklahoma City bombing. 0.90

02:14:25.000 They won't speak out on the 9-11 cover-up and the inside job going on there.

02:14:31.000 We keep just running around the same stuff and it's all good, but we're not Americans are shallow people for the most part when it comes to the Constitution.

02:14:42.000 Are you going to speak out on 9-11 in Oklahoma?

02:14:44.000 I think I'll put it this way, and thanks for the call, Stuart.

02:14:46.000 I'll put it this way.

02:14:47.000 We had the CIA commander of the Afghanistan operations on yesterday.

02:14:54.000 And, you know, the headline on MSNBC is, CIA Commander Was Blocked From Capturing Bin Laden.

02:15:00.000 And he admitted that our government, in the 1950s, carried out terror attacks to blame it on Mosaddegh and take over Iran.

02:15:06.000 So, the Gulf of Tonkin never happened.

02:15:07.000 That's now declassified 100%.

02:15:10.000 I mean, people may have known 30 years ago, but now it's public.

02:15:13.000 All of that's out there.

02:15:14.000 Will you ever discuss those issues or talk about those issues?

02:15:17.000 Because Ray McGovern will come on, Chief CIA Advisor to Ronald Reagan and say it.

02:15:22.000 The former CIA head will come out and say stuff like this now.

02:15:26.000 NSA people are going public.

02:15:28.000 So many prominent people.

02:15:30.000 Paul Craig Roberts, who was number two at Treasury, the chief economist for Bush.

02:15:35.000 This current Bush, in his last administration, has been on Morgan Reynolds and talked about 9-11 clearly being an inside job.

02:15:42.000 I mean, obviously, you talk about that here on air, they can use that against you on TV, but any signal to the people out there?

02:15:49.000 I'm going to be going and talking with the people, shaking hands with them and letting them know that when I give you an answer, it is not political rhetoric.

02:15:57.000 I want to go to Washington D.C.

02:15:59.000 and represent not only the people in District 10, but the people in the United States.

02:16:03.000 But let's say the Defense Department sets off a nuke tomorrow and starts arresting everybody.

02:16:07.000 Do you realize how close we are?

02:16:09.000 Michael, this is not a joke.

02:16:11.000 I do understand that things are critical, but I'm also very optimistic.

02:16:15.000 People are understanding that the government is not following the Constitution.

02:16:19.000 They are abusing their authority.

02:16:22.000 So you're saying they've lost so much trust now that you think they're losing even more control?

02:16:28.000 I think that the people, specifically, you know, across the United States, but hopefully in District 10, have lost confidence in the government, and that they are at the point where they are willing to vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican.

02:16:41.000 I don't think that they're going to feel like they are wasting their vote when they cast a ballot for me.

02:16:46.000 But the question is, let's say you go to a meeting here in Austin, and I know half the people bring up 9-11 inside a job to you.

02:16:51.000 If people bring that up, are you going to say, my constituents are concerned about the cover-up of 9-11 and want a real investigation?

02:16:58.000 If my constituents tell me that they're concerned about that, yes, I'll bring it up.

02:17:02.000 Maybe you could start a committee up there and call the people in.

02:17:07.000 It could be, have you ever or are you ever involved in 9-11?

02:17:09.000 Yeah.

02:17:11.000 What I'm really trying to do is just get the base support from, you know... I understand.

02:17:16.000 You're trying to get step one.

02:17:17.000 You're trying to win.

02:17:18.000 Right.

02:17:19.000 I mean, look, it's like Ron Paul.

02:17:20.000 I've got him here on the show, and he'll say everything up to that point, and he won't say that, because they've already had TV ads with his head floating around Jupiter saying, he's from outer space, he's a... Just wink at me, and you'll know it's true.

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02:22:19.000 And obviously he's against them, you heard that in the last hour.

02:22:22.000 But toll roads, toll roads, toll roads.

02:22:24.000 And the campaign manager was telling me about our good friend Jimmy Vaughn, who's a great friend of the show and a great American who's been fighting it.

02:22:30.000 You know, the toll roads are even going to take part of his ranch.

02:22:33.000 And you know, he was telling me how Jimmy was giving him this hour-long tour of Corridor Watch and Stahl's campaign.

02:22:38.000 I think you guys need to link up, man.

02:22:40.000 I mean, I understand you're for the whole Constitution, but I think, I mean, you talk about contributions, support, my two cents.

02:22:47.000 And I know you're saying you're going to do whatever your constituents are telling you they're most concerned about constitutionally.

02:22:53.000 I mean, are you getting the feedback that the toll roads of the zeitgeist?

02:22:56.000 We haven't gotten that feedback yet.

02:22:57.000 We're going to be starting our... You're just starting, you're rolling, you're just rolling.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, we've been building the infrastructure.

02:23:02.000 We've got office space, we've got staff members, we've got bumper stickers.

02:23:05.000 I know how it is, you've got to build the infrastructure.

02:23:07.000 We've got the infrastructure built.

02:23:08.000 I couldn't wait to come back from Christmas break to really get into the campaign.

02:23:14.000 And now we've got 10 months.

02:23:15.000 We've got, well, just, yeah, 10 months.

02:23:18.000 We've been working really hard.

02:23:19.000 My staff works about 10 to 12 hours a day, and this is early in the campaign.

02:23:24.000 Well, just up front, I'm lobbying you, and you're going to get used to this when you're in Washington.

02:23:27.000 I'm grabbing your hand.

02:23:28.000 Give me your hand.

02:23:29.000 Give me your hand.

02:23:30.000 Now, Congressman, I just really need this done.

02:23:32.000 Listen, I don't want those toll roads.

02:23:34.000 I want the King of Spain kicked out of here. 0.91

02:23:35.000 I want him kicked out of here. 0.96

02:23:37.000 Alright, alright, that's good.

02:23:38.000 Here, let me take a few calls here.

02:23:40.000 Now, out of all these callers, who's up next for our guest?

02:23:45.000 Tim in Florida, you're on the air, and then Andy.

02:23:47.000 Go ahead, Tim, quickly, sir.

02:23:49.000 Hey, great show, Alex.

02:23:50.000 Mike, I want to ask you, are you an attorney?

02:23:54.000 I am not an attorney.

02:23:56.000 You've never been an attorney?

02:23:57.000 I have no desire to be an attorney.

02:24:00.000 Excellent, okay.

02:24:00.000 Are you a member of the Square?

02:24:02.000 He wants to know if you're a Mason.

02:24:05.000 Oh, I didn't even know what he was talking about.

02:24:08.000 No, I'm not a member of the...

02:24:11.000 Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

02:24:13.000 No.

02:24:15.000 Have you ever been visited by aliens?

02:24:16.000 Tooth fairies, leprechauns... I've been a Boy Scout, a Scoutmaster, an Advanced First Aid Instructor for the Red Cross, but I've never joined any meetings.

02:24:27.000 Hey, seriously, anything else, Tim?

02:24:29.000 That's all I wanted to know.

02:24:31.000 Well, I hope you'll support him.

02:24:32.000 Are you going to support him?

02:24:33.000 I don't vote because I'm not in the system.

02:24:35.000 I understand.

02:24:36.000 Well, thank you.

02:24:37.000 Will you tell people about Michael Dagnar?

02:24:38.000 They can contribute.

02:24:39.000 Wait.

02:24:39.000 People.

02:24:40.000 People.

02:24:42.000 Well, thanks for the call, sir.

02:24:44.000 You know, you fight the New World Order by getting involved.

02:24:46.000 I'm just going to tell you that right now.

02:24:47.000 There's never a perfect way to fight the New World Order, but there's always a way to fight them. 0.68

02:24:50.000 And I know this fighting them is the way to go. 0.99

02:24:54.000 It's like Private Joker is silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts and guts is enough. 0.99

02:24:58.000 Alright, let's go ahead, and that's me. 0.98

02:25:00.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Andy in Washington.

02:25:02.000 Andy, last caller for our guest, go ahead.

02:25:04.000 Hi Alex, you justly comment on the abuses of the police in this country, and I've been wanting to bring this up for you for a while, but it seems like a perfect time today considering your guest's constitutional background.

02:25:15.000 I'm from Washington State and wanted to make a quick comment on the constitutionally protected right to bear arms.

02:25:22.000 In my state constitution article 1, which is our declaration of rights part, section 24, it briefly states, the right to bear arms, the right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed

02:25:38.000 Yeah, that's because you're a territory, so you're one of the few states that doesn't have it, but under the federal law you do, and under organic law you do, and so, you know, you've got maximum rights.

02:25:53.000 Well, and the point that I'm bringing up here, all police in this state work for corporations.

02:25:57.000 Cities are incorporated.

02:25:58.000 No, I know, their very law trying to restrict you from having a second amendment actually restricts them.

02:26:04.000 Michael, you want to comment on that?

02:26:05.000 I agree.

02:26:06.000 During the presidential campaign, I was in Missouri, and someone wanted me to confirm or deny that the Missouri Constitution allowed or didn't allow concealed carry weapons.

02:26:17.000 I said, I don't know what the Missouri Constitution says, but if it tries to limit your right, then the Missouri Constitution is a violation of your rights and is unconstitutional.

02:26:27.000 Yeah, see, they can't even change the Constitution and then declare that we don't have rights.

02:26:30.000 In Article 9, in 10, it just keeps restating, no, it comes from you.

02:26:36.000 We're just codifying it.

02:26:38.000 Right.

02:26:38.000 We can alter or abolish any government which is in violation of our rights.

02:26:43.000 So, you know... I mean, let's say Adolf Hitler beat America and took over. 0.88

02:26:47.000 I would, you know, I'm sure our forefathers would have been fighting him from the fence rows.

02:26:52.000 Just because it's government, you don't have to kneel down and go, oh, oh, oh, and start worshipping it.

02:26:57.000 That's right.

02:26:59.000 We need to use your individual thoughts and processes.

02:27:02.000 Understand that every individual has rights.

02:27:05.000 You need to respect other people's rights and then defend your own.

02:27:08.000 And you need to get that... You're absolutely right about these cities.

02:27:12.000 You have these incorporated cities that aren't even really lawful now trying to absorb the counties that are supreme.

02:27:18.000 Yes.

02:27:19.000 And the Sheriff.

02:27:20.000 Michael, we've got to get you back in here before the campaign ends in ten months.

02:27:24.000 We'll be watching it, so will the rest of the country.

02:27:26.000 Thanks for joining us.

02:27:26.000 Thank you so much, Al.

02:27:27.000 You bet.

02:27:28.000 Michael Bagnerik, now running for Congress against Demon McCall in place ten, deep in the heart of Texas.

02:27:33.000 Stay with us.

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02:30:54.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:30:58.000 Well, it was great having Michael Bagnarik here in studio with us, and I want to go to a couple of callers that have been holding.

02:31:11.000 I did not specifically want to talk to Michael Bagnarik, Joe in Wisconsin, and a few others, but I really need to spend some time right now getting into some of the good things.

02:31:27.000 that are happening and right now in New Hampshire a bill has been introduced that aims to prevent Katrina-style gun seizures.

02:31:37.000 This is up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com right now.

02:31:42.000 Concerned by perceived abuses of federal power during the Katrina crisis, New Hampshire state reps are reviewing a bill which would criminalize certain weapon seizures even if the perpetrators Our federal officers, House Bill 1639FN, this is such good news, criminalizing your criminal behavior.

02:32:02.000 It's already criminal, but let's just restate that.

02:32:05.000 Prohibits the classification of lawfully owned and lawfully carried firearms during a state of emergency, making a felon of any law enforcement officer, peace officer, public servant, who attempts to seize any firearm during a disaster.

02:32:19.000 The bill was sponsored by Representative Paul Hopvergraten, At the request of local free staters, members of the group trying to recruit freedom lovers in New Hampshire and turn it into an even more libertarian state than it already is at freestateproject.org.

02:32:37.000 The bill reads, any law enforcement officer, a person acting as a law enforcement officer, or other public official, how about public servant, get it straight, You're such free staters, you should know that, who confiscates or attempts to confiscate lawfully carried or lawfully owned firearms in the state during a declared state of emergency shall be charged with a class A felony.

02:33:03.000 And I gotta tell you, I totally agree with that.

02:33:05.000 I mean, if you're engaged in mass gun confiscation operations, then you should go to jail.

02:33:11.000 It's simple.

02:33:12.000 Well, we need to protect ourselves.

02:33:13.000 It's so dangerous going in and taking guns.

02:33:16.000 It's so dangerous not bringing food and water to people, and instead refusing to do that and tromping around trying to get their guns.

02:33:22.000 And that's why FEMA botched the whole thing on purpose and jammed communications and did that. 0.51

02:33:26.000 And the chaos following Hurricane Katrina's various government agencies, including federal marshals, made systematic attempts to sweep New Orleans of guns, even if that meant entering the homes of law-abiding gun owners.

02:33:38.000 Well, high and dry areas in the suburbs and million-dollar houses.

02:33:41.000 The move did not cause widespread outage in most states.

02:33:46.000 uh... outrage in most states, excuse me, but New Hampshire residents reacted by burning a FEMA flag in front of a local federal building.

02:33:54.000 They also circulated a petition pledging resistance if such a move were ever attempted in the live free or die state.

02:34:01.000 How about live like a slave or grovel on your knees state? 0.90

02:34:04.000 I mean, you know, America's now land of the dumb and home of the slaves, a place where guns are part of the culture and gun laws are the second loosest in the nation next to Vermont. 0.86

02:34:14.000 Activists say whether it passes or not, the gun protection bill is one more small thing they can do to try to protect themselves from the disarmament at the hands of the government during a time when they believe they will need their weapons most.

02:34:27.000 Yeah, if there's a nuke goes off or bio-attack... I remember talking to a Louisiana state trooper about three years ago off-air.

02:34:38.000 And he sent me some information.

02:34:39.000 He said they were being told by FEMA, we're going to be hit by a bow attack.

02:34:43.000 This is exactly how it went.

02:34:44.000 And when I talked about it on air, people called in and said, oh yeah, my brother's a cop.

02:34:48.000 He said the same thing.

02:34:49.000 And when there's an attack, we've got to confiscate the guns.

02:34:52.000 During a breakdown of society, there's going to be rioting and we can't have people owning guns.

02:34:58.000 No, you want the police to team up with the law-abiding citizens and deal with always the small minority that is running around looting.

02:35:06.000 That's what we always did in the past.

02:35:08.000 It's even what Switzerland does and what England used to do.

02:35:10.000 But see, now governments are criminal, so they team up with the other crooks.

02:35:14.000 It's the same kind of mindset and saying, no, no, no.

02:35:16.000 We're not going to bring you food.

02:35:18.000 We're not going to bring you water.

02:35:20.000 We're going to block all that and we're going to have a big war game here and come take your guns. 0.91

02:35:24.000 So it is just amazing.

02:35:28.000 Now, let's get into Larry Silverstein now.

02:35:31.000 Well, you know what?

02:35:32.000 Did you cue that up where, on ABC News, the troops are confiscating the citizens' guns?

02:35:38.000 Oh, you have that?

02:35:39.000 Yeah.

02:35:39.000 Let's just, because I normally don't play clips ten times.

02:35:42.000 It's probably my fifth time, but this one's so important, I want you to hear it one more time.

02:35:49.000 Go ahead and roll it.

02:35:51.000 They say there are no orders to use force, just strong persuasion, sometimes entering open houses with guns drawn.

02:35:58.000 Instructions to disarm anyone inside.

02:36:02.000 We say guns will be taken.

02:36:04.000 No one will be able to be armed.

02:36:05.000 We will take all the weapons.

02:36:07.000 That happened today in this wealthy neighborhood where homeowners had armed themselves to protect their mansions.

02:36:14.000 Residents were handcuffed on the ground.

02:36:16.000 In the end, police took their weapons but let them stay in their homes.

02:36:20.000 They were a little bit threatened because our weapons were bigger than their weapons.

02:36:24.000 For many of the police and guard troops, it is an uncomfortable job to do this in an American city.

02:36:31.000 This guard unit occupied a church, using it as a base camp.

02:36:34.000 Okay.

02:36:34.000 They had to leave a note because they couldn't... That's enough.

02:36:36.000 Yeah, like it feels uncomfortable when you're robbing a bank, I'm sure. 0.99

02:36:40.000 It probably feels uncomfortable the first time you're a serial killer and you go pick up some poor woman who's a hitchhiker and go chop her head off after you rape her. 1.00

02:36:48.000 I'm sure it feels uncomfortable the first time you smoke crack cocaine. 1.00

02:36:51.000 I bet it feels uncomfortable when you're drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels every day. 0.98

02:36:55.000 It probably feels uncomfortable if you punch your wife in the face and knock her teeth out. 1.00

02:36:58.000 Because you're not supposed to be doing it! 0.99

02:37:00.000 That's why!

02:37:01.000 I mean, you people are unbelievable! 0.99

02:37:04.000 You disgrace your forefathers. 1.00

02:37:05.000 You disgrace this country. 1.00

02:37:07.000 You're the lowest form of filth! 1.00

02:37:10.000 But that's okay. 0.99

02:37:11.000 Our new freedom is to go watch the Rose Bowl.

02:37:14.000 Understand, folks, I've been to the training drills.

02:37:16.000 I've been talking about this forever.

02:37:17.000 It's why I get so mad.

02:37:20.000 They've been waiting for an excuse.

02:37:21.000 That was a beta test.

02:37:23.000 The military has trained to take your guns.

02:37:26.000 Who do you understand?

02:37:27.000 They want to do it.

02:37:30.000 It could be tomorrow.

02:37:31.000 It could be two years from now.

02:37:32.000 It could be a decade from now.

02:37:33.000 A nuke goes off and it's over, folks.

02:37:37.000 And people will be going, well, why aren't they helping us?

02:37:39.000 The economy's breaking down.

02:37:40.000 Why are there just troops demanding if we want food, That we've got to bring our guns out to them.

02:37:46.000 Folks, listen to my shows from 10 years ago.

02:37:48.000 Listen to the other intelligence officers we interviewed 10 years ago.

02:37:51.000 They were in the briefings.

02:37:52.000 That's why they went public.

02:37:54.000 That was always the plan.

02:37:55.000 When there's a disaster, the government's going to do everything it can, and the compartmentalized people in it aren't going to ask why they're doing it.

02:38:02.000 But we have the documents to make it worse, to have a breakdown so you don't have food and water, so you've got to be then processed, quote, through the relocation centers and can have your guns taken and be relocated.

02:38:14.000 Out of this crisis, they re-engineer America. 0.84

02:38:18.000 They re-engineer the world.

02:38:21.000 This is what they're doing.

02:38:24.000 This is really happening right now.

02:38:29.000 I cannot believe some people don't understand this.

02:38:34.000 Who's up first here in the calls?

02:38:36.000 I'll just take a few of them.

02:38:38.000 Joe in Wisconsin, thanks for holding.

02:38:39.000 Go ahead.

02:38:40.000 Hi Alex.

02:38:41.000 I think you were looking for U.S.

02:38:43.000 Code 50 when you were saying that the President has to follow certain procedures when he's going to war.

02:38:50.000 I mean, if you read through that... Well, they have a code attached to the Constitution, but I don't even go off the code.

02:38:56.000 I go off the Constitution.

02:38:57.000 Okay.

02:38:58.000 But anyway, I wanted to discuss how China got the most favored nation status.

02:39:03.000 That was under Carter, and that was 1980.

02:39:07.000 What I was wondering is, how in the world they could have gotten that if they knew about the human rights violations back then?

02:39:14.000 And are they setting us up for the same treatment?

02:39:17.000 If we're not supposed to care about what goes on over there, maybe we shouldn't care about what's going on over here.

02:39:22.000 Well, I think your point is absolutely central.

02:39:25.000 If we have a government that, through the United Nations, gives China awards and says, you are the model, you are the best. 0.98

02:39:34.000 If you watch the CFR meetings on C-SPAN or read their bi-monthly publications, they worship, they lavish, they fawn

02:39:45.000 All over China, in mobile execution vans, melting down dead prisoners for collagen, killing hundreds of innocent farmers who don't want to go up their land, police in black riot gear, same black Darth Vader outfits our police have, mowing them down with machine guns, all of our industry moving over there, our global corporations saying they're the future.

02:40:06.000 Yes, sir, they're going to use the slaves of China to leverage out the whole world. 0.99

02:40:12.000 Well, even Mexico's losing most of its jobs now because of China.

02:40:16.000 And now India's coming online with major industrialization at slave level. 0.91

02:40:21.000 I mean, literally, they don't even have cardboard boxes to live in in most Indian cities.

02:40:24.000 They just use the bathroom on the street and wander around.

02:40:28.000 And then the next cast up from that, it works for subsistence level, you know, answering the phones, building the widgets.

02:40:37.000 I mean, it is a hellish system, and so if we have any questions, in the past our government would at least pay a little lip service criticizing China. 0.74

02:40:45.000 Now they don't say a word, because that's the model, baby.

02:40:49.000 What I was thinking is, if they wanted just a rubber stamp, they should have just used Gerald Ford.

02:40:53.000 They knew he was disposable.

02:40:55.000 He wasn't going to be re-elected.

02:40:56.000 So all they'd have to do is... But we weren't ready.

02:40:59.000 We weren't domesticated enough now. 1.00

02:41:01.000 They've done their litmus test and they think we're retarded pigs. 0.99

02:41:05.000 Okay? 0.99

02:41:05.000 You know, for lack of a better term. 0.99

02:41:07.000 Just gibbering, foaming, just bleeding, bug-level people.

02:41:13.000 And so they've done the test and they see the population and they think they can move against us.

02:41:19.000 The problem is they haven't gotten all of us.

02:41:22.000 Yeah.

02:41:22.000 Alright, hang in there.

02:41:23.000 Alright, I appreciate it.

02:41:25.000 I'm out of control today, I understand that.

02:41:27.000 That's what happens when you have a record cedar count at 6,000.

02:41:31.000 In Austin, I've never had allergies, and I have them now, the last few years.

02:41:37.000 And everybody's getting them.

02:41:39.000 People that never had them are getting them.

02:41:40.000 I think it's something else combined with it.

02:41:43.000 They say chemicals in the body at higher levels can trigger allergies, but it's cedars at like 6,000, it's totally dry, there's dust blowing around everywhere, and if I don't take a Sudafed 12-hour, it's the only thing that works for me, I wouldn't even be here right now, folks.

02:42:02.000 I've been having headaches so bad, I wake up at 3 in the morning, just, they're not migraines, they're just pounding, and so I take Sudafed 12-hour, and let's be quite frank, You drink a cup of coffee with that, and I am basically like I've strapped a rocket onto my hind end.

02:42:18.000 I don't like how I feel right now, but frankly, this feels better than being in the bed with a sinus headache.

02:42:25.000 And I have no idea why speed, which I don't like, makes the headache go away and makes the sinuses clear.

02:42:37.000 Well, all I can say is thank God for it.

02:42:39.000 This is better than...better than... When is it going to rain around here?

02:42:43.000 It's like 85 degrees right now, ladies and gentlemen.

02:42:46.000 And the dust is...I'm looking out the window, there's dust blowing.

02:42:50.000 My car every day is like green with the cedar all over it.

02:42:55.000 And I've got to talk about Larry Silverstein.

02:42:56.000 Why am I talking about my allergies?

02:43:00.000 Oh my goodness.

02:43:02.000 Larry Silverstein, through the State Department, has now released a statement saying that there were firefighters in the buildings and that's what his bullet meant.

02:43:12.000 The problem is, we have scores of publications, government reports, the fire department, the police department, the official 9-11 report saying firefighters were never in it, they never decided to battle it.

02:43:23.000 Giuliani got a call and was told to get out.

02:43:25.000 He told Peter Jennings that before it even set fire.

02:43:28.000 Then they say the building tower, the north tower, fell on it.

02:43:33.000 That is not true officially.

02:43:35.000 Only dusk hit it.

02:43:36.000 That is a total lie.

02:43:37.000 They claim that the north tower fell and knocked out its central support column.

02:43:42.000 Folks, the building was untouched. 0.97

02:43:43.000 That is absolutely ridiculous.

02:43:45.000 You do see the central support column blown right before the blast points begin appearing down the side of the structure and then it falls into a perfect little pile. 0.80

02:43:54.000 And earlier we played the clip of Silverstein saying they gave the order to pull it, which is the definition of a controlled demolition.

02:44:02.000 Then we played a clip of where they were destroying other buildings later in the rebuilding, and they call it pulling it when they pull Building 6 and destroy what's left of Building 6 that has not collapsed.

02:44:12.000 Then we have another clip of Dan Rather saying it looks like a controlled demolition.

02:44:16.000 Did you get the clip of the firefighters where they're saying it looked like detonators and bombs in the building?

02:44:23.000 And again, this is an edited clip.

02:44:24.000 If you want to watch the unedited clip, it is on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, the WTC7 sections.

02:44:30.000 The only thing that's cut out is the S word.

02:44:34.000 We always like to tell you that up front.

02:44:36.000 Let's play the firefighters first.

02:44:39.000 And then we'll replay those Silverstein clips.

02:44:42.000 This is a big deal.

02:44:43.000 They're being forced to respond.

02:44:44.000 Go ahead and roll it.

02:44:46.000 We made it outside, we made it about a block.

02:44:48.000 We made it at least two blocks, and we started running.

02:44:52.000 Floor by floor, instead of popping out.

02:44:54.000 It was just, it detonated.

02:44:56.000 Yeah, it detonated.

02:44:57.000 We planned to take down a building.

02:44:59.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:45:00.000 All the way down.

02:45:01.000 I was watching it, and I ran.

02:45:02.000 I just ran up west.

02:45:03.000 And then you just sort of, this cloud of teeth went down.

02:45:06.000 I could not run it.

02:45:08.000 I could not run it.

02:45:09.000 So what'd you do?

02:45:09.000 I jumped behind a battalion car, I hit up to the car, I was waiting to die.

02:45:14.000 Okay, and again, to even do this justice, I guess we should add to this article that Paul wrote.

02:45:18.000 He did a good job in just a few hours writing it.

02:45:20.000 We should add that the UL underwriters did tests with models and said it was absolutely impossible, still doesn't weaken until 3,000 degrees.

02:45:27.000 Jet fuel burns at around 1,200 to 1,400.

02:45:31.000 Paper burns even lower.

02:45:33.000 None of the buildings should have collapsed.

02:45:35.000 There were clear squibs blowing up down the sides, the blast points.

02:45:39.000 Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise, but we were meant to think it was the Arabs.

02:45:43.000 You know, it's the same thing over and over and over again, and we then have Silverstein taking out record insurance policies two months before it happens, buying out the towers from the Port Authority, which is a Rockefeller front, and then Magically, they all blow up and collapse.

02:46:00.000 We have firefighter engineering saying there was a cover-up of the debris, and that it looked like bombs were probably in there, and there's a big cover-up going on, and what happens is impossible.

02:46:08.000 I mean, it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on.

02:46:12.000 And then the 9-11 committee with Tower 1 and 2, which were also blown up by controlled demolitions, we even have the blast points.

02:46:19.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, just like in Las Vegas, and then it collapses.

02:46:23.000 The buildings fell, in some cases faster than gravity, which can only happen faster than a lead bowling ball, folks, can fall.

02:46:30.000 Because that can only happen if whole floors are simply evaporated, which was all that dust.

02:46:36.000 Massive explosives in there.

02:46:38.000 Then we had molten steel for over a month at over 3,000 degrees, which only thermite bombs can create.

02:46:48.000 And we have the top physicist in engineering there at Brigham Young University saying the same thing.

02:46:56.000 But oh, let's just ignore the scientists.

02:46:58.000 Then we have the head of the mining and demolition school in New Mexico go public and say, clearly, bombs.

02:47:04.000 I mean, come on, folks.

02:47:06.000 It takes them weeks, in some cases months, to do a controlled demolition as good as they did in Building 7.

02:47:11.000 I mean, it is a textbook beauty.

02:47:15.000 It is a textbook beauty.

02:47:17.000 And then he slips up and says, we gave the order to pull it.

02:47:20.000 You know why he had to say that?

02:47:22.000 Because it was on NPR radio that day.

02:47:25.000 They may just demolish the building to save others.

02:47:27.000 What does that mean?

02:47:28.000 And even if that was true, it takes weeks to plant the bombs.

02:47:32.000 You see, because some people on the ground were talking, so the spin, things kind of got out of control.

02:47:36.000 So they say, oh yeah, yeah, we might blow it to save the buildings.

02:47:39.000 Oh, okay.

02:47:40.000 As if three little fires was going to make it fall.

02:47:43.000 But now the State Department, the same one that's attacked this network, attacked talk show hosts on this network.

02:47:49.000 They had a big State Department thing about the conspiracy theories and the dangerous groups that are taking over America and how we're convincing everyone and how we're very crafty and very sneaky.

02:47:59.000 Why, we say China sells organs.

02:48:02.000 And then, on their own State Department website, somebody who isn't a propagandist, there's a whole section about how they do sell organs.

02:48:08.000 And then now it's come out in all the big mainstream papers that they have huge ad campaigns to come get, quote, healthy, fresh organs.

02:48:15.000 It translates in English, fresh.

02:48:17.000 Look, we have fresh produce.

02:48:19.000 And it's been all over the news about the melted down dead slaves being used in the collagen for your lips. 0.98

02:48:24.000 For your arrogant preening wife. 1.00

02:48:28.000 So, your decadent scumbag wife. 1.00

02:48:32.000 So, I don't want to hear it. 1.00

02:48:33.000 I mean, oh, it's a conspiracy?

02:48:34.000 They're selling organs?

02:48:35.000 I mean, it's in the New York Times and Washington Post!

02:48:38.000 I mean, we get attacked for reporting the sun comes up in the morning!

02:48:42.000 I'm sorry we see straight!

02:48:43.000 We know you're murdering criminals! 0.94

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02:51:41.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

02:51:49.000 It's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.

02:51:53.000 A few of the little tidbits here, but I said I'd go to Stephen Cliff, so just quickly...

02:52:05.000 Steve in Pennsylvania, welcome.

02:52:06.000 Go ahead.

02:52:08.000 Good to talk to you, Steve.

02:52:09.000 You're on the air.

02:52:13.000 Well, that's an exciting phone call.

02:52:14.000 Let's go to Cliff in Utah.

02:52:16.000 Cliff in Utah.

02:52:16.000 You're on the air.

02:52:17.000 Go ahead, Cliff.

02:52:18.000 How you doing?

02:52:18.000 Kudos to you, Alex.

02:52:19.000 Kudos to you, my friend.

02:52:20.000 I tried to get in so hard to talk to Michael because he's an astute guy on the Constitution.

02:52:25.000 Okay, the next time he's on, ask him about the 7th Amendment right to a jury trial at historical case law.

02:52:34.000 The reason is because if you can get a trial...

02:52:36.000 That way, you don't have to follow what the judge said.

02:52:40.000 He has to follow historical case law.

02:52:41.000 Well, that's what they do.

02:52:42.000 You see, instead of following the Constitution, they go, oh, we'll have a U.S. 0.96

02:52:46.000 Code that codifies it.

02:52:47.000 Then they can change the Constitution without getting amendments.

02:52:50.000 That way, it's the same thing.

02:52:52.000 They change the courts.

02:52:53.000 They change the nature of its officers and how it works until, look at the grand juries.

02:52:58.000 Rubber stamps.

02:52:59.000 Look at juries.

02:53:00.000 Rubber stamps.

02:53:01.000 You're absolutely right.

02:53:02.000 And see, cops and people Well, I don't think this is all the lawful system.

02:53:06.000 No, it's a, it's a, it's a counterfeit.

02:53:08.000 And also, too, that if you refuse to give your name, you know, when they ask you and tell them you're not going to give out any information like that, they can't proceed right then.

02:53:18.000 Your name has to be listed on the docket and right before the court.

02:53:23.000 That's a really good stalling tactic.

02:53:24.000 You can pay a lawyer $10,000 to do it each time.

02:53:27.000 No, no, no.

02:53:28.000 You do it yourself.

02:53:29.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:53:29.000 Or you can do it yourself.

02:53:30.000 But you don't have to follow, go under equity law, administrative or statutory rule if you do it historically wise under the 7th Amendment.

02:53:38.000 Well, the problem is a lot of that is accurate and works a lot of times, but some of these judges and people are just going so rogue and so criminal.

02:53:44.000 That's correct.

02:53:45.000 You know, they'll go, there's not even a law, I'm just going to hold you for a year and a half in contempt, and even though the charge is six months in contempt, six months, just bye-bye, we're not going to force drug you while you're at it, you'll be a, you'll be a lobster head by the time we're done with you. 0.96

02:53:59.000 But the next time Michael gets on there, ask him his opinion and he'll tell you the same thing, but he knows the Constitution very well.

02:54:06.000 Well, he's a good guy.

02:54:06.000 We need to get him to be a little more hardcore, but I know he's listening right now, driving to wherever else he's going, but he's a great guy.

02:54:12.000 You bet.

02:54:12.000 Well, you take care, Alex.

02:54:13.000 You bet.

02:54:14.000 No, I've known back there for a long time.

02:54:16.000 He really is a good patriot and knows all about the New World Order.

02:54:19.000 It's just that, you know, I personally, my strategy, And of course, I'm not in the arena like he is.

02:54:25.000 It wouldn't just be, hey, I'm the alternative.

02:54:27.000 It would be, hey, we need to have a revolution in this country.

02:54:30.000 We need to change things.

02:54:31.000 They're violating our Bill of Rights and Constitution, which he is going to do.

02:54:34.000 But you notice how simple some people are.

02:54:35.000 Well, I'm not worried about the simple Simons.

02:54:37.000 A lot of them don't even vote.

02:54:38.000 There are a lot of informed, dynamic, intelligent people, especially in Central Texas.

02:54:44.000 And they'd like to vote for somebody real.

02:54:46.000 So that's exciting.

02:54:47.000 A scary thing about state-sponsored medical terrorism in Texas.

02:54:50.000 Authorities arrest parents, kidnap their teenage daughter and force her through chemotherapy against her will.

02:54:56.000 This is happening again.

02:54:57.000 We had their parents on.

02:54:59.000 Months after a Texas teenager was diagnosed with cancer, state authorities have finally decided to let her return home to her family after a long legal battle in which Texas officials, not the girl's parents, attempted to determine the course of the treatment for her disease.

02:55:11.000 Her cancer was gone, but they tried to keep it going.

02:55:14.000 Just a nightmare case.

02:55:15.000 I need to get them back on the show.

02:55:18.000 Errol Cherone is hanging on by his fingernails.

02:55:21.000 Barry Hamish is saying, a great Israeli writer over there, he's saying, a Jewish writer, he's saying it looks like it may be foul play by people even more extreme than him. 0.85

02:55:30.000 People more extreme than Ariel Sharon.

02:55:34.000 We are, frankly, out of time.

02:55:36.000 There's an NSA whistleblower asked to testify.

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Alex Jones Show - January 05, 2006

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