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00:00:33.000 It is Monday, the 17th day of July 2006.

00:00:37.000 I'm Jack Blood filling in for Alex Jones today.

00:00:40.000 For the next three hours we're going to be taking a lot of calls, covering a lot of news.

00:00:45.000 Webster Tarpley will be joining us in the second hour of today's broadcast with his brilliant analysis as to what is going on in the Middle East.

00:00:53.000 All of us very carefully watching the Can I say news report?

00:00:59.000 News probably wouldn't be the correct word.

00:01:01.000 Well, let's just use that for the sake of communication.

00:01:03.000 The news reports coming out ad nauseum about the Middle East, and of course every channel, doesn't matter what you watch, if it's PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC.

00:01:15.000 Or any of its related affiliates will tell you that poor Israel is merely trying to protect themselves. 0.74

00:01:21.000 I have a feeling that a majority of this audience wouldn't agree with that.

00:01:26.000 Though a recent poll taken at CNN, better known as the CIA's privately owned news service, has reflected that 55% of Americans believe that what Israel is doing in attacking Beirut, attacking Hezbollah, is justified.

00:01:45.000 We'll take your pulse on our program today.

00:01:48.000 We'll also cover a ton of news and taking your calls here in about 20 minutes.

00:01:53.000 This is, uh, recently in from MSNBC.com.

00:01:56.000 Bush caught on tape swearing about Syria.

00:01:59.000 That's right, the mic was supposed to be turned off, but it was turned on.

00:02:04.000 The microphone also picked up other comments from the Middle East to Diet Coke.

00:02:08.000 That's right, our president is on aspartame.

00:02:11.000 He's on a heavy diet of aspartame.

00:02:13.000 Shouldn't surprise you when you listen to the president's syntax.

00:02:19.000 Couple of, uh, brain cells left there fighting amongst each other.

00:02:23.000 In St.

00:02:23.000 Petersburg, Russia, it wasn't meant to be overheard.

00:02:26.000 A private luncheon conversation among world leaders picked up by a microphone provided a rare window into both banter and substance, including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's attack against Israel.

00:02:39.000 Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.

00:02:53.000 Quote, see the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this blankety-blank and it's over.

00:03:02.000 Bush told Blair as he chewed on a butter roll.

00:03:05.000 Yes, in other words, the president has absolutely no problem using four-letter words and the good Christian that he is when he's Allegedly off the air.

00:03:15.000 He told Blair he felt like telling United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad and quote, make something happen, unquote.

00:03:28.000 He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon.

00:03:33.000 Couple of things there.

00:03:34.000 Apparently, All Blair has to do is get on the phone with Kofi Annan and quote-unquote tell him to make something happen, and something will happen.

00:03:45.000 And this, I believe, is what is behind the general calling for international peacekeeping troops to be set loose in Beirut, in Lebanon.

00:03:56.000 And we've seen what these peacekeeping troops do around the world, don't we?

00:04:00.000 Every time there are refugees, every time there are UN peacekeeping troops, We have a lot of ill behavior, elite behavior going on, and for the sake of our young audience, I won't go into any of the details, but I'm sure you can fill in the blank. 1.00

00:04:16.000 Also, this particular copy suggesting Condoleezza Rice is more of a war secretary of state than we probably ever had before.

00:04:26.000 A lot of saber-rattling coming out of the State Department, a lot of stern warnings, and a lot of rhetoric.

00:04:33.000 If this is our arm of diplomacy, folks, we are in big, big trouble.

00:04:38.000 And you thought Colin Powell was bad.

00:04:40.000 We'll take a quick break.

00:04:41.000 We'll come back, cover more news, including recent developments on North Korea and a lot of other news broadcast on our program today.

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00:08:06.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:08:08.000 There is a war on for your mind.

00:08:16.000 They are out to win your heart and your mind.

00:08:19.000 And you know what that means? 0.98

00:08:20.000 There has to be a loser. 0.98

00:08:22.000 I don't want to call any of you losers out there, but there are a number of Americans. 0.93

00:08:27.000 In fact, Tens of millions, if not a hundred million Americans plus, that have given up their heart and their mind already to the collective, to the propagandists. 0.98

00:08:38.000 And this is exactly what we are setting out to do in the Middle East, to quote-unquote win the hearts and minds of the Middle Eastern terrorists out there, no matter what the cost, even if we have to kill them to do it! 0.99

00:08:52.000 Welcome to the Alex Jones Show. 0.75

00:08:53.000 I'm Jack Blood, sitting in for Alex Jones today.

00:08:55.000 Alex is recharging his batteries and we all need Alex Jones at full capacity, full potential, as we are headlong running into what is called World War III.

00:09:07.000 In fact, your friend and mine, Newt Gingrich, on Meet the Press, said exactly that.

00:09:13.000 This is World War III and there's little to nothing we can do to stop it at this point.

00:09:20.000 More killing, more death.

00:09:22.000 Collective necrophilia spiraling out of control, teetering on the brink.

00:09:30.000 And that certainly takes our mind off what's going on in Iraq.

00:09:33.000 A lot of kidnappings, a lot more death, a lot more destruction, and more quote-unquote terrorist attacks.

00:09:40.000 Now we're starting to hear that Hezbollah could be coming to the United States.

00:09:45.000 That's right, folks.

00:09:46.000 But you knew that was coming, didn't you?

00:09:49.000 Easier to say than, Iran is coming to the United States. 1.00

00:09:52.000 And the connections put out by the frothing, screaming heads in the mainstream media, just automatically answering the question for you, who is behind Hezbollah, who is behind Hamas?

00:10:06.000 Of course we all know! 0.99

00:10:07.000 Let me just connect the dots here for you, you dumbed-down Americans, you dumbed-down sheeple out there. 0.99

00:10:13.000 Let me just connect the dots if you didn't already know. 0.98

00:10:16.000 Everything that is wrong with the world has to do with Iran, or whoever our enemy might be for the day. 0.99

00:10:25.000 So as the mainstream media, lamestream media, call them what you might, construct these quote-unquote conspiracy theories, what is the truth?

00:10:35.000 Of course, if you listen to this show long enough, you'll understand exactly what the truth is.

00:10:38.000 And the fact is, That Israel, Shin Bet, and various global intelligence services put together both of these organizations and monitor them to this day.

00:10:50.000 But again, it's very, very easy to blame Iran for everything, especially since they seem to walk right in it. 1.00

00:10:57.000 But we try to use a little common sense on this program and on this network And I feel that if we are held to the high standards of having to back up everything we say with documentation, with verification, with good sources, and with a little logic and common sense, why shouldn't the lamestream media be doing that?

00:11:16.000 Or as Lush Limbaugh calls them, the drive-by media.

00:11:20.000 Going back to the story quickly about Bush being caught off of a microphone, and if you haven't heard this, it's all over the web, pretty easy to find.

00:11:29.000 It came during these unscripted comments during a photo opportunity at a lunch, and these leaders certainly did not realize they had a live microphone.

00:11:38.000 You get to find out how George W. Bush has a preference for Diet Coke.

00:11:42.000 He talks about some of the gifts he's received by certain leaders.

00:11:46.000 He chats with Vladimir Putin, Pooty Poot, as he's known.

00:11:50.000 I wonder if Bush calls him that to his face.

00:11:53.000 Expressing amazement that we'll Take Putin and an unidentified leader as long to fly home.

00:11:59.000 What the flying time is from Moscow.

00:12:01.000 I mean, a lot of small talk.

00:12:04.000 One of the funny moments of this is Bush thanking Tony Blair for a gift of a sweater.

00:12:10.000 And he joked how Blair might have picked that out personally just for him.

00:12:16.000 They have a very interesting relationship.

00:12:19.000 I think that's about enough said about that.

00:12:23.000 Going back to Israel and going back to, you know, the endgame here, or at least the middle part of the endgame. 0.96

00:12:31.000 The endgame certainly in this case will be Iran. 0.98

00:12:34.000 But the endgame, the middle game possibly being Syria, we're getting closer and closer and closer to that particular end.

00:12:43.000 And we're going to again have Webster Tarpley on, he's going to comment on all this.

00:12:47.000 We saw over the weekend, I believe it was Friday night, there was a story about a Hezbollah drone hitting an Israeli warship.

00:12:56.000 It had to be tweaked and spiked slightly because initially they had come out and said there was a drone.

00:13:01.000 In fact, some of you may have seen Chamnity and Combs, or Vanity and Combs, call him any name you like on this particular program.

00:13:09.000 I'm sure he'll do the same for us.

00:13:11.000 Oliver North holding up an actual propeller from one of these drones!

00:13:16.000 Talking about how the drones could launch several bombs and how they could literally just be launched from the street anywhere a terrorist might be able to get their hands on a drone and any street wide enough you might be able to launch it on.

00:13:30.000 Absolutely preposterous and of course prop takes on a double meaning here because this was a prop for Oliver North To illustrate the absolute capabilities of Hezbollah, because they want to paint the picture that these people are highly dangerous, that they have high-level weapons in order to fight this war, in order to justify them even bothering to fight back. 0.82

00:13:54.000 In order for the mainstream media to spin it in a capacity such as, they started it all in the first place.

00:14:01.000 I mean, why would an organization with small rockets, rubber bands and rocks, Start something with the big nuclear country knowing that the weight of the world would come down on them.

00:14:14.000 Why would they do it?

00:14:16.000 Are they that?

00:14:16.000 I mean, because of course the answer you'll get from Fox News is that they're just all suicidal and this is a mass suicide, a Jim Jones style suicide on part of Hezbollah and the people of Beirut and Lebanon.

00:14:29.000 But of course common sense would tell us something a little bit different.

00:14:32.000 Of course, they wouldn't start this.

00:14:35.000 Well, later this drone story, which is reminiscent quite a bit of the Iraqi drones we were told that Saddam Hussein had drones that could hit London, and I mean, you know, they laid it on pretty thick. 0.66

00:14:49.000 And this is really nothing different.

00:14:51.000 This is really quite from the same playbook.

00:14:55.000 You wonder if they're going to get a new playbook.

00:14:58.000 In fact, because we know the playbook, we can almost assume what is going to happen next.

00:15:03.000 Well, of course, this drone story had to be corrected and it was blamed on...

00:15:08.000 Rockets.

00:15:09.000 They actually, even initially in this particular story, if you catch this minute by minute, the story changes second by second, minute by minute, as they throw out this propaganda, hope that people will bite on it, almost test it on the American people whose hearts and minds they have won.

00:15:23.000 But initially, they even tried to pass this off as not an Israeli warship, but an Egyptian cruise liner, or some type of Egyptian pleasure craft.

00:15:33.000 That didn't float.

00:15:34.000 But it did, of course, evoke the emotions from the American people and the people of the West at large, which is why, again, the CNN poll reflects the fact that 55% of us, maybe I shouldn't say us, 55% of America, again, saying that Israel is justified in everything that they're doing. 0.87

00:15:53.000 And you'd think that just about now, the people of the United States, in particular, would have to understand the implications of war.

00:16:02.000 Before we so foolishly, so half-heartedly go in and absolutely support Israel in everything that they do, do we understand the ramifications? 0.77

00:16:14.000 Do we understand what the endgame is?

00:16:17.000 Are we ready to back Israel in a war with Syria, which will immediately bring in all of the troops from Iran? 0.98

00:16:25.000 Iran will know at that point, they're about done. 0.96

00:16:29.000 And if they don't start fighting back then, I don't know when they will.

00:16:32.000 But are the American people ready to back this type of a global war?

00:16:37.000 A World War III? 0.60

00:16:38.000 Do we love war that much? 1.00

00:16:40.000 It's pretty easy for us here, safe stateside, to say, kill them all, nuke them. 0.94

00:16:45.000 But do we understand that that war has already come home in ways that would probably take about two hours to describe? 0.83

00:16:53.000 From the economy spending trillions of dollars in foreign intervention Look, there are real threats to security at this point, security being what it is, control and illusion, but there are real threats, with wide open borders, more enemies of this country coming up than ever before.

00:17:17.000 Is there a possibility that we're about to become the front line in the war on terror?

00:17:23.000 Well, certainly if you read some of the copy from many of the sources I get, that's exactly what you're going to hear.

00:17:29.000 It's time.

00:17:30.000 We've had it too easy.

00:17:31.000 This is what the meddling gets us.

00:17:33.000 I'll recall what George W. Bush said as he was running for president.

00:17:39.000 Every time I say President, I want to say somehow Lord, or Ruler, or Fuhrer, but let's just call it President for now.

00:17:44.000 Running for President in 2000, saying we're going to have a big mess coming down the road if we don't stop meddling in foreign affairs.

00:17:53.000 This was right from President Bush running for election selection in 2000.

00:17:59.000 And what did we do?

00:18:01.000 Well, of course, we had the new Pearl Harbor, we had 9-11, And the world has changed since 9-11.

00:18:07.000 We understand that, right?

00:18:09.000 Do we understand what we're getting into?

00:18:12.000 And are we using any kind of common sense?

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00:18:26.000 Do we understand what we're getting into by backing Israel? 0.53

00:18:29.000 Is there any way we can get through to our fellow Americans about the history of the situation in the Middle East?

00:18:37.000 Is that possible at this point?

00:18:39.000 Because again, people get very white-knuckled, very red-faced.

00:18:44.000 This is an obvious example of controlled belief systems.

00:18:51.000 When you get upset, when you get angry, when your back gets up, And you're ready to go start fighting without even thinking about the consequences.

00:18:59.000 This goes to the old quote about beating the drums of war and getting people to fall into this phony patriotism.

00:19:08.000 And it doesn't matter what you say at that point, they're off and running.

00:19:13.000 And if we don't understand the horror of war alone by looking at Afghanistan and Iraq, then I guess we're never going to learn.

00:19:22.000 Maybe what it's going to take is foreign troops kicking down your door in order for you to figure it out.

00:19:28.000 Maybe it's going to take bombs going off constantly in our cities, whether they be real or imagined, whether they be false flag or rogue.

00:19:38.000 Maybe that's what it's going to take for us to wake up a little bit and understand what we were getting ourselves into when we back people like George W. Bush and the State of Israel.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, yeah, we're picking on Israel.

00:19:50.000 Oh well, somebody's gotta do it. 0.89

00:19:51.000 It's a dirty job.

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00:24:51.000 Going back to the last question I'm asking here, and again, I'm Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones today.

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00:25:01.000 What is Israel's prime export here?

00:25:04.000 How do they make their money?

00:25:05.000 How do they fund their war machine?

00:25:06.000 Well, that of course is by arming People around the world, countries around the world, third world, second world, first world countries with their technology and their war apparatus, but generally the way Israel supports itself is through contributions and funding through people like the United States of America, Britain, France, you name them, they fund them.

00:25:30.000 And this is exactly what they're going to be doing with their money.

00:25:35.000 It's quite a jump, isn't it?

00:25:36.000 From, is Israel allowed to exist? 0.97

00:25:40.000 From, is Israel allowed to attack all of her neighbors? 0.71

00:25:45.000 And I gotta tell you, I don't know if I'll do this in this program today or in the next, but there's interesting information in Armed Madhouse by Greg Pallas, which really gets into the whole effort by Saudi Arabia, what their angle is in all of this.

00:26:00.000 Saudi Arabia condemning Iran, Because there is definitely a war between the Persians and the Arabs. 0.62

00:26:09.000 And there is definitely an agenda, an agenda I think pursued simultaneously by the Bush administration, by the Cheney administration, and by guys like Osama Bin Laden.

00:26:19.000 Of course, we know why that's simultaneous, and why they seem to be sharing each other's memos.

00:26:27.000 But the overall look that you get from someone like Osama Bin Laden is that he wants to conquer the Middle East oil fields.

00:26:35.000 This is why he said, and he put out many messages saying, don't destroy the oil fields, no matter what you do.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, blow things up, but don't destroy the oil fields.

00:26:44.000 Well, whoever said that and put those words in Osama Bin Laden's mouth, or if Osama Bin Laden said it himself, I don't think it really matters.

00:26:52.000 We see the overall agenda which seems to be locked in Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, the United States, British Petroleum, that being England, and the Dutch.

00:27:05.000 We see a parallel going where they all seem to be trying to accomplish the same ends.

00:27:12.000 And then of course more rhetoric where The cable news networks are trying to blame the high price of gas on Iran right now.

00:27:21.000 You see, everything is Iran's fault. 1.00

00:27:22.000 I want you just to get used to that.

00:27:25.000 You stub your toe, it's Iran's fault. 1.00

00:27:28.000 Your car breaks down, must have been Iran. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Are you seeing how this works now, folks?

00:27:35.000 That way it will be very easy for us to justify this war.

00:27:39.000 A war that we didn't start, by the way.

00:27:41.000 A war that we got sucked into.

00:27:42.000 A war that we are going to help contribute to for peace.

00:27:48.000 More bombing for peace.

00:27:52.000 1-800-259-9231, anything you want to talk about.

00:27:55.000 I've got a ton of news here to go over, including news about the Federal Reserve saying the United States is headed for bankruptcy.

00:28:00.000 This is out of World Net Daily, which is extremely conservative, or even neo-conservative.

00:28:06.000 Seems like everybody is coming along for the ride.

00:28:09.000 1-800-259-9231.

00:28:10.000 This is the Alex Jones Show.

00:28:12.000 I'm Jack Blood sitting in for Alex today.

00:28:14.000 Let's go to Zach in New York.

00:28:15.000 Zach, thank you for calling in.

00:28:17.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

00:28:18.000 Hi.

00:28:19.000 I was wondering what you would anticipate the reaction domestically if there was some sort of terrorist attack or something like that you're talking about, or if the draft was reinstated out of necessity due to a conflict.

00:28:33.000 Well, to answer your first question, I would have to say that the reaction would be panic and it would be very close to what we saw after 9-11.

00:28:42.000 Though again, there would be a lot of dissenters.

00:28:46.000 We're trying to gauge how many.

00:28:47.000 We're looking at potentially 70 million people not buying that the terrorist attack will be from the accused terrorist.

00:28:53.000 So that could be really quite a divide.

00:28:57.000 But I think in general, the average person will probably become panicked and scared and do whatever the government tells them to do.

00:29:05.000 As far as the draft goes, I'm skeptical that there will need to be a draft just because there are a lot of people signing up.

00:29:13.000 The majority of the people that are needed now in the modern military have to have some type of a technical background.

00:29:19.000 I'm not sure they can get away with that, but of course if that did happen and kids off the street were being ripped out of their homes and drafted and sent to the front lines, I would assume you would see millions of people on the street within hours.

00:29:34.000 Well, thank you.

00:29:36.000 You're welcome.

00:29:37.000 Let's go to Chase in Chicago.

00:29:39.000 I mean, you ask me questions, I'm going to answer them.

00:29:42.000 Chase in Chicago, hold on.

00:29:43.000 We'll take you right when we come back.

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00:32:57.000 Webster Tarpley, author of Synthetic Terror Made in the USA, joining us here in the second hour of today's program.

00:33:24.000 I have a lot of news to report, including a number of angles related to this current war running in the Middle East.

00:33:30.000 One of the questions that should be asked is, what's taking so long to get Americans out of Lebanon?

00:33:36.000 Everybody else getting their people out, coordinating, flying out their people.

00:33:41.000 We have over 25,000 Americans working currently in Lebanon and apparently they're still waiting to be airlifted or vacced out of there.

00:33:49.000 What's taking so long?

00:33:51.000 I mean is the Bush administration asleep at the wheel again?

00:33:53.000 I'm sure you don't believe that.

00:33:55.000 Or are these meant to be targets for a coming false flag operation?

00:34:00.000 You see, it's very difficult to trust anything that goes on with Israel in the Middle East because of the history of false flag attacks, the history of funding terrorism themselves and then pointing the finger at their own prefactory-made boogeyman, Emanuel Goldstein, as it were, all taking on different names. 0.60

00:34:20.000 It's very difficult to believe any of this.

00:34:23.000 So, of course, we're left on our own really struggling for the truth.

00:34:27.000 One thing we do know for sure Talking about Syria, talking about Israel, talking about Lebanon, is that there have been targets hit, Syrian military assets, places very close, very near to Syria, and we're really waiting any second now for the bombing to begin and for the ante to be upped here quite significantly.

00:34:48.000 Also, over the weekend, China had signed on to a UN Security Council Oh well, a wrist slapping of North Korea. 0.59

00:34:58.000 China was really hesitant to sign into that, and Bolton came out and said, well he's very convincing and I think that the question has to be, what did China get in return?

00:35:07.000 Because obviously they're not giving us something for nothing here.

00:35:10.000 What did they get in return?

00:35:13.000 For signing on to this rather weak resolution, of course North Korea coming out immediately rejecting the call to remove all their missiles.

00:35:21.000 I mean, Ah, it doesn't make any sense.

00:35:25.000 That's the problem.

00:35:26.000 We're trying to make sense here.

00:35:27.000 Maybe you'll help me do that.

00:35:29.000 Let's go back to Chase in Chicago.

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00:35:32.000 Chase, you're up.

00:35:33.000 Thank you for holding.

00:35:36.000 Jack, have you heard of the title of this book, AWOL, How the Upper Classes are Absent from Military Service, authored by Frank Schaefer and Kathy Hayes?

00:35:45.000 No, I haven't, but I've read a lot of information just like that.

00:35:49.000 Talking about the Chicken Hawks?

00:35:51.000 Uh huh, yes, that's exactly what it is.

00:35:53.000 Uh huh.

00:35:54.000 Oh yes, this is a segway what the other prior callers to the museum had.

00:36:01.000 You had mentioned something regarding Oliver North and so, wasn't Michael Levine, the DA officer, said if he had his way back in, Oliver North would be underneath the jail?

00:36:11.000 Well, I would think, and Mike Levine should know.

00:36:15.000 Former DEA agent Celica Steele, they know.

00:36:19.000 Obviously, everybody seems to know, and he got away with lying to Congress over and over again, and I ran contrary.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, he should be in jail.

00:36:26.000 All of a sudden, he reinvents himself by peeing on Fox and the Bush's network.

00:36:32.000 Well, I mean, regarding it, I think it's pretty easy for all of us to see.

00:36:36.000 Maybe we're preaching to the choir a little bit here, Chase.

00:36:38.000 I mean, we all know that these people are chicken hawks, that they avoided war at every cost because, of course, they're too good to go.

00:36:45.000 They can't give their lives to fight in war, and at least George Herbert Walker Bush and at least the Kennedys made some type of an attempt.

00:36:54.000 John Kerry made some type of an attempt to put something on their war resumes.

00:36:59.000 Someone said Tom Cancredo was the same way.

00:37:03.000 You know, a lot of this is just putting something on your war resume and at least going to try to fight.

00:37:09.000 I mean, we've got records of George Herbert Walker Bush literally almost killing or did kill a bunch of his men to save himself.

00:37:15.000 He got a medal for that.

00:37:17.000 Same thing for John Kerry, I think.

00:37:19.000 So their war records are suspect, but at least they went.

00:37:23.000 Also, Jack, how is it that here, once again, the entertainment, math, cultural, spectator event is not in the world?

00:37:31.000 But here's all people, George Mitchell, the same George Mitchell that's going to investigate steroids, but don't investigate, does any owner own stock in a pharmaceutical company?

00:37:44.000 Does any owner own stock in like, we sounded like the Eli Lilly Corporation, like Dick Gregory did some research some years ago.

00:37:53.000 Eli Lilly Company that Jim Jones was on the board of directors and the Bush's on stock in that too.

00:37:53.000 It's the St.

00:37:59.000 Here's this George Mitchell all of a sudden who has CFR connections.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, well he's supposed to attempt to curb steroids in sports and baseball.

00:38:10.000 He actually owned a baseball team and he's a baseball team owner.

00:38:13.000 I mean, obviously, that's a big can of worms though Chase.

00:38:17.000 We're just going to go ahead and drop that right there.

00:38:19.000 Certainly, we've done a lot of reporting on the pharma cartels, the pharmaceutical industries, and of course, what we find are the usual suspects.

00:38:27.000 People like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, the Bush family, Donald Rumsfeld, and others, heavily tied in to these pharma cartels.

00:38:35.000 Largely owned, by the way, by the Rockefeller Foundation.

00:38:38.000 That's true.

00:38:39.000 Over 60% of pharmaceutical companies in some way tied to the Rockefeller Foundation.

00:38:43.000 Let's go to Ben in Missouri.

00:38:46.000 Ben, you're up.

00:38:48.000 Hey, Jack.

00:38:49.000 How you doing?

00:38:50.000 Alright, pleasure to talk to you.

00:38:53.000 I was just wanting to ask something, I guess.

00:38:57.000 Hearing people like Newt Gingrich and all the conservative talking heads this weekend and today talking well gung-ho about going to war with, well, Iran. 0.76

00:39:07.000 They're saying it's the head of the snake and all that.

00:39:11.000 I guess I was going to touch on something a caller or two beforehand did.

00:39:15.000 The only way I see that working is a draft.

00:39:17.000 Do you see that?

00:39:18.000 Well, someone just asked this, and I've got to tell you, I'm really skeptical about the draft.

00:39:23.000 But then again, if we have World War III, and we're fighting in Iran, and we're fighting in North Korea, and God knows where else we might be fighting, then of course, you probably are going to see a draft.

00:39:34.000 You're going to see a world divided nearly 50-50, right down the middle, going at each other, as we've seen in the past.

00:39:41.000 But what have we learned from the other world wars?

00:39:43.000 Primarily, I think what we've learned is that those wars were engineered for profit and control.

00:39:49.000 But A.K., it just could be Band-Aid.

00:39:52.000 We've done such good work.

00:39:53.000 Their backs are to the wall to such a capacity that there's nothing left.

00:39:56.000 The only way to save themselves is by doing something like this.

00:39:59.000 Now, I'm going to take the position of what's going on in the Middle East now is more of a distraction than a lead-up to World War III.

00:40:07.000 We're going to have to wait and see about that.

00:40:08.000 This could go either way.

00:40:10.000 I have feelings on both sides of the issue, but I think that because, again, we have a midterm election here, because, again, the power brokers are running a little bit scared.

00:40:18.000 Nothing like a major distraction, such as we're seeing now in the Middle East, to take people's minds off their problems.

00:40:24.000 That's what I'm hoping it is, is just distraction.

00:40:28.000 I wonder, though, because it just, I don't know, it seems like everybody's just Well, anybody that... Well, I mean, look, and I mention this, this is the third time I'm going to mention this, uh, 55% in just one poll saying they're behind Israel here in this country.

00:40:39.000 If that's the test, then it appears that there's a blank check written to the powers that be to keep going with more war.

00:40:47.000 Exactly.

00:40:48.000 I hope that's not the case.

00:40:50.000 You know, nothing like putting Israel out front. 0.98

00:40:53.000 You know, we all remember the Holocaust and what they had to deal with Hitler and 5,000 years of slavery and subterfuge.

00:41:00.000 I mean, if anybody's a victim, it's always Israel. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Always, but, I mean, it really doesn't matter what they are.

00:41:07.000 If they're starting something just to get something going there, that's not right.

00:41:11.000 They're bullies, in my opinion. 0.52

00:41:14.000 You have two kid- and this is alleged.

00:41:16.000 This is alleged.

00:41:17.000 We don't even really know at this point.

00:41:19.000 And I think that Syria and even Hezbollah has declined to even confirm that they did kidnap these two Israeli soldiers.

00:41:26.000 And then again, there's the debate on where did they kidnap them, and are they prisoners of war or did they get kidnapped but ultimately here to go over to go to war to start bombing a modern city to start killing innocent civilians and collateral damage over this uh is is this boggles the imagination and really belies common sense i appreciate the call thomas let's go to paul in texas you're on the alex jones show paul hi jack how are you i'm okay

00:41:54.000 long-time listener from aptin wisconsin i'm a I'm here vacationing in Austin.

00:42:00.000 Where's Alex at?

00:42:01.000 I wanted to meet him.

00:42:02.000 I wanted to hang out with him.

00:42:04.000 Well, okay.

00:42:05.000 Alex is spending a little time away from the microphone in order to recharge his batteries and should be back on the program this Wednesday.

00:42:13.000 Alright, well you've got a nice website, JackBlood.com.

00:42:16.000 My question for you is, what can we do, this is kind of general, what can we do other than Listen to your programs.

00:42:23.000 Check out the websites.

00:42:24.000 Infowars.com, JackBlood.com.

00:42:27.000 Try to get the message out to other people.

00:42:28.000 But what can we do to avoid the New World Order taking over and America turning into more of a police state than it already is?

00:42:34.000 That's a pretty big question.

00:42:37.000 I think the best answer I can give you is to pick out something that you're really passionate about because it's going to take a lot of work.

00:42:44.000 Pick out something that you're really against, whether it be cameras up on the street corners, whether it be data basing, whether it be no knocking or the evisceration of the 4th and 5th Amendment rights, or maybe you want to go ahead and back the 2nd Amendment, your right to keep and bear arms.

00:43:00.000 But pick something out that you're really passionate about.

00:43:03.000 Learn everything you can about it.

00:43:05.000 Get information out.

00:43:06.000 Organize meetings and rallies.

00:43:08.000 You can do this.

00:43:09.000 I'd start in your own neighborhood.

00:43:11.000 I'd go knock on your door and meet your neighbors and have neighborhood and community meetings.

00:43:16.000 If you like, if all of that is too complex, simply make a flyer, or take a newsletter, or take some information, print up mass copies of it, as many as you can afford, as cheaply as you can, and put them out on the parking lots at concerts, or at sports arenas, or downtown while people are shopping, or at shopping malls.

00:43:36.000 You know, Pippa, pick something out that you are really passionate about.

00:43:40.000 Whatever your line in the sand is, maybe it's not taking microchips.

00:43:43.000 Maybe it's to stop regional government and the Pan-American or the American Union.

00:43:48.000 Find something that you really believe in and are passionate about and go at it with a hundred percent, not a hundred and ten percent, because that doesn't exist.

00:43:56.000 We often hear it does.

00:43:57.000 It does not.

00:43:58.000 One hundred percent, all the time you have, get behind it, get the information out, and you'll see that just waking people up, just getting the information to people, they're not getting anywhere else.

00:44:08.000 We'll do a lot of the work for you.

00:44:11.000 I appreciate the call, Paul.

00:44:12.000 Enjoy your stay here in Austin.

00:44:14.000 Speaking of Wisconsin, we have Joe in Wisconsin.

00:44:16.000 Joe, thank you for joining us.

00:44:17.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

00:44:19.000 Hi, Jack.

00:44:20.000 Follow me for a little bit, but I think we're attacking the war issues on wrong terms.

00:44:25.000 I was trying to think, what would our founding fathers say about the war?

00:44:30.000 Unfortunately, we're stuck in it, but if you get on a neocon radio show, they're just going to shut you down. 0.52

00:44:36.000 So I thought, okay, well, how would George Washington would handle it.

00:44:39.000 He would say, well, I'm all for the separation of powers. 0.53

00:44:43.000 The congressmen have to sign in under this war.

00:44:49.000 Okay.

00:44:50.000 Have they been doing that?

00:44:51.000 No.

00:44:52.000 Well, why haven't they?

00:44:53.000 Instead of saying, I'm not for this war, just start poking at what's behind the smoke screen instead of attacking the smoke screen itself.

00:45:04.000 I'm just bringing up the point that some of those congressmen may be stealth infiltrators or something.

00:45:10.000 But we do mention that.

00:45:12.000 We've talked extensively about AIPAC and other lobbying groups, especially Israeli lobbying groups, as again we're talking about this Middle East war today.

00:45:20.000 What I'm talking about is Billy Six-Pack that's been sitting on the couch and saying, yeah, war, war, war.

00:45:26.000 Okay, well we're going for the war, but we have to make sure that, you know, God forbid, There's a cabinet fascination and we have to put new people into power.

00:45:35.000 Well, we have to make sure that...

00:45:38.000 They aren't misusing this power, so how are we going to keep them checked and balanced?

00:45:43.000 Okay.

00:45:44.000 And just have them come up with the reasoning.

00:45:47.000 What you're mentioning is a Socratean method of questioning, instead of providing the answers for people, getting them to answer in the way that you would normally speak to them.

00:45:47.000 Sure.

00:45:58.000 So, in other words, instead of dumping a whole lot of information on them, let's just take 9-11 for instance, Ask them, you know, do you think the government's story about 9-11 checks out?

00:46:08.000 Do you think they're telling the truth?

00:46:10.000 And then you can get them to do that.

00:46:12.000 Now we're going into a number of circles, and it's probably my fault here, but what I wanted to say in the beginning is, what would George Washington think about war?

00:46:21.000 And he would say, hey, don't go fight other people's wars.

00:46:24.000 We don't have an obligation to go overthrow the head of Iraq.

00:46:28.000 We don't have an obligation to get involved or entangled in foreign wars all of our founding fathers believe that and we do have an obligation to protect ourselves though not in a linear fashion where we're fighting on the front lines in Iraq.

00:46:42.000 You understand?

00:46:43.000 Well, it would be more of an approval, but okay, now that we're in this thing, we're going to have to fight it to win it, so how do we do that?

00:46:50.000 Okay, well, once that's won, you're going to have to give back all your war powers, and we're going to have to enforce it just to make sure that the wrong people do get in, you know, that we can pull it all the way back.

00:47:01.000 I can't really disagree with that, though.

00:47:04.000 Unfortunately, one thing we always have to remember is we've been in a number of entanglements in the past where we were told we had to have an outright win.

00:47:11.000 Let's just use Vietnam for an example.

00:47:14.000 And when we jumped out of Vietnam, the world didn't fall to communism, or some might argue it did covertly, but ultimately, you know, we didn't lose everything that the pundits and the think tankers and the Council on Foreign Relations And a lot of hawks said we would.

00:47:30.000 We got out of there, it wasn't a problem, we quit losing lives, we quit spending as much money, and we just simply walked right out.

00:47:37.000 But the problem is, is getting in these positions in the first place.

00:47:40.000 Here we are trying to defend the wars we're already in, several by the way folks, in case you've lost count.

00:47:47.000 Many different wars in multiple theaters.

00:47:50.000 This is coming right after the PNAC document.

00:47:53.000 This is exactly what they said they wanted to do.

00:47:55.000 And yet we are considering and possibly leading up to fighting even more wars.

00:48:00.000 I mean, at this point, I gotta think it's pretty easy to get through to Joe's six-pack.

00:48:05.000 You're not going to be able to afford that six-pack or the gas-to-go drive to get it if we don't quit fighting these wars.

00:48:12.000 I don't know.

00:48:13.000 Again, this is going in a little bit of a circle, but I think that all those points are valid.

00:48:17.000 It's such a huge, momentous, monolithic job to try to save what's left of the United States government at this point.

00:48:26.000 And I think the best thing we could do is empower the people to understand what power that they do have, what information really is, how to discern information for themselves and think for themselves and protect their minds from this war that is generally Prostigated onto their own minds.

00:48:42.000 So, if we can do that, then the rest of it, I think, all comes naturally.

00:48:46.000 If we can teach people, in general, that there is no difference between left and right, that there is no difference between the Republicans or the Demopublicans, that we have a one-party system, that most, if not everybody in Congress, is bought and paid for, and that we need to have full disclosure from our representatives who are doing all of this through proxy, Using you, the people, as an excuse.

00:49:11.000 They're protecting you, the people.

00:49:12.000 They have your authority to go do all of this.

00:49:15.000 But if we have full disclosure from them, if we're able to monitor everything that these people do in public service, and we again put the power back to the people as trite as a statement as that might be, then certainly we'll begin to see more and more changes.

00:49:29.000 But I'm pretty proud, Joe, of what we've accomplished.

00:49:33.000 I'd say over the last four or five years, we have really come to almost a critical mass.

00:49:38.000 And I'd hedge to say we're at a point now where we're at the end of the beginning.

00:49:43.000 Not the beginning of the end, the end of the beginning!

00:49:47.000 Anyway, as far as separation of powers and corruption goes in this country, and even the puppet masters, the New World Order, the globalists, the internationalists, I think we're getting through to people.

00:50:01.000 I think we're seeing a lot of the results now.

00:50:04.000 And I believe that part of the reason that we're digging in, part of the reason we have to find these new violent distractions, this all-in-out...

00:50:14.000 Wargasm, as I like to call it, an orgy of death in the Middle East is because we need this distraction. 0.99

00:50:20.000 Because again, we're putting their backs to the wall.

00:50:22.000 And how are we doing that?

00:50:23.000 Simply by just putting out information.

00:50:25.000 Simply by showing people that what they believe and what they believe most of their lives, what they've been taught as phony history, ain't true!

00:50:35.000 Where do you go from there?

00:50:37.000 We're almost like little children learning how to walk again.

00:50:43.000 Sorry for that rant.

00:50:44.000 I'll be right back after this.

00:50:45.000 This is the Alex Jones Show.

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00:54:34.000 I'm sitting in for Alex Jones today.

00:54:35.000 Alex will be back on Wednesday, if not sooner, depending on What works out in the world today.

00:54:41.000 You're listening to the Genesis Communications Radio Network, InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, JonesReport.com.

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00:54:54.000 We talked in that last segment briefly about what can I do, and I gotta tell you folks, if I had a nickel for every time I was asked that question over the last five years, I'd be pretty well off at this point.

00:55:05.000 I wouldn't have to go fight in a war.

00:55:06.000 I'd have enough money to buy my way out of it.

00:55:09.000 Kidding, of course.

00:55:11.000 And that's a common question, and I think that what we have to do is follow success.

00:55:16.000 What has worked over the last few years?

00:55:19.000 And what has worked is getting people information, working with people on that information, organizing and getting out and being a leader in your community.

00:55:28.000 One way to do this, one way to make it all very easy,

00:55:31.000 is to go to the websites PrisonPlanet.com, InfoWars.com, JonesReport.com, even JackBlood.com and get information and get the analysis that goes with the information because as these stories break in the news every day and we're able to decode them almost instantly you can go to your loved ones and say hey here's a documented report about how North Korea actually got their missiles and it will change the entire perspective

00:56:01.000 On what really is going on in the world.

00:56:03.000 And by the way, where did North Korea get their missiles?

00:56:05.000 Well, they generally got them from Pakistan.

00:56:08.000 Yes, we know that Donald Rumsfeld was in there brokering low-water nuclear reactors as well, so you can attach something worthy to the missiles.

00:56:17.000 But a lot of the technology, a lot of the nuclear technology even, how to take the low-water nuclear reactors, how to make actual plutonium out of those, you know, came through Pakistan, at least my belief.

00:56:29.000 And how did Pakistan get their secrets? 1.00

00:56:32.000 How did Dr. 0.65

00:56:34.000 Khan get his information and was able to go out and sell it to the highest bidder.

00:56:38.000 Well, it was funded by Saudi Arabia.

00:56:41.000 You start seeing the full picture come together, but you need to get that information out to people.

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00:58:27.000 We'll come right back.

00:58:27.000 We'll go right back to your calls and then Webster Tarpley will join us.

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00:59:01.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:03.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Second hour of this global transmission coming forth.

00:59:19.000 Thanks for tuning in.

00:59:20.000 You are listening to the Alex Jones Show.

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00:59:25.000 All the news fit to suppress I'm Jack Blood, your radio gun, sitting in for Alex Jones today and potentially tomorrow.

00:59:33.000 Alex should be back, well rested, and ready to take on the entire New World Order by himself, single-handedly, on Wednesday.

00:59:41.000 We all have to get away from this every once in a while, and I'm sure you understand that.

00:59:45.000 And, well, I guess I'll be scheduling my vacation sometime next year or the year after.

00:59:50.000 Going to ground zero though, going around the country speaking, doing what I can, literally for free, sometimes even paying, to get out there and get the message out.

01:00:01.000 We have accomplished so much, and that always means to me that we have to redouble our efforts.

01:00:06.000 And if we can get people energized, get people excited, get people motivated to get out there, to get some notches in your gun, to get some... That's a metaphor, folks.

01:00:16.000 Don't freak out on me.

01:00:17.000 To get some victories under your belt, it is addictive.

01:00:23.000 Oh, let's face it.

01:00:24.000 You know, all of us out here who oppose the system, who question authority, Who are rebellious in nature, generally have addictive personalities, will get addicted to fighting against tyranny, get addicted to preserving liberty and freedom for our children and our grandchildren.

01:00:44.000 Not a more important time in history as we face the technological overlords, the scientific dictatorship in a way that no generation has ever had to face Thousands, millions of years before us.

01:01:00.000 It's on us.

01:01:01.000 It's on our shoulders.

01:01:02.000 And it's exciting to get out there and get active and start fighting.

01:01:06.000 Webster Tarpley joining us here in just a few minutes and we'll pick his rather generous brain, his large brain on exactly what is going on in the Middle East, what's going on around the world.

01:01:18.000 Great analysis always coming from Webster Tarpley.

01:01:20.000 He'll join us in just a few minutes.

01:01:22.000 Let's go back to the phones quickly here.

01:01:24.000 Mike in Texas, thanks for joining us here on the Alex Jones Show.

01:01:27.000 Hello, Jack.

01:01:29.000 Earlier, I believe you were discussing what percentage of the public would be skeptical of the government's boogeyman version of yet another government-sponsored act of terrorism?

01:01:37.000 Yeah.

01:01:38.000 45% skeptical.

01:01:40.000 Well, I believe that, let's see, five years ago, the government, the people in general weren't as Internet-savvy as they are now, and what I think would happen would be somehow the government would find a way to cripple and sabotage the Internet in some way, so we'd all be forced to cower around a little lantern and listen to ABC or one Only single network situation.

01:01:59.000 Are you familiar with the net neutrality bills currently in the Senate right now?

01:02:04.000 I've heard about Alex Jones talking about them, how they're looking for ways to... They're going to hijack the internet and they're going to price us out of it.

01:02:11.000 So I don't know if they're going to crash it per se, but one way to do this is to tax it and price people out of it so that it's hard to get real information so that you're again at the mercy of the talking heads.

01:02:22.000 Go ahead.

01:02:23.000 They could easily just sabotage, jam it somehow.

01:02:27.000 Eggheads are able to do it. 1.00

01:02:28.000 But they're benefiting off of it, too.

01:02:29.000 That's why this poll, I think, leans in the wrong direction.

01:02:33.000 Oh, actually.

01:02:35.000 All I know is I don't think you have any situations with what Dan Rathers is saying.

01:02:38.000 Well, it looks like one of those controlled demolitions we're so used to seeing.

01:02:41.000 You know, you wouldn't have any of those flip-ups like that.

01:02:43.000 Right.

01:02:45.000 Hey, we're watching this.

01:02:46.000 Save the Internet, by the way.

01:02:47.000 Savetheinternet.com is a petition I would sign.

01:02:51.000 I've signed it, and it makes it really easy for you to help fight the Senate for net neutrality, something we want.

01:02:57.000 We're pro-net neutrality.

01:02:58.000 We are against the COPE law.

01:03:00.000 Hey, Mike, thanks for your call.

01:03:01.000 I appreciate it.

01:03:01.000 I've got to keep moving here.

01:03:03.000 George in Indiana, thank you for joining us here on the Alex Jones Show.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, Jack, you and Alex do a great job.

01:03:08.000 I listen to this show an awful lot.

01:03:10.000 I have degenerative disc disease, so I spend a lot of time in front of the computer, and there's a couple of things I want to mention, though.

01:03:16.000 95% of you guys bring out the truth, and I've seen every movie, everything you guys have, and I totally agree with it.

01:03:25.000 I have a problem with you.

01:03:27.000 Uh, slamming Israel, though, because in the Bible it says God will bless those countries that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.

01:03:33.000 So, you have to realize, even if there's bad, uh... Well, we better, we better start getting into semantics and figuring out what he meant by Israel.

01:03:41.000 I'm not sure if he meant the Balfour Rothschild Israel or another Israel, and that, uh, is something that we could talk about.

01:03:49.000 Stay tuned, folks.

01:03:49.000 We'll be right back with Webster Tarpley, right after this.

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01:06:58.000 I think it's fair to say...

01:07:05.000 That...

01:07:07.000 And the last gentleman calling in.

01:07:09.000 I understand you people have questions and you're reading from the Bible and you're trying to figure all this out.

01:07:14.000 I'm just going to tell you my words, not Alex Jones's, no one else's, but hate is hate is hate is hate.

01:07:20.000 Violence is violence is violence is violence.

01:07:23.000 And I don't think the Bible would condone the violence from modern day Israel, the state of Israel, the government of Israel. 0.55

01:07:32.000 And, of course, the cause of Zionism. 0.94

01:07:35.000 And we just have to do a little homework and find out how all of this began, and we would probably be a little less supportive of the biblical version of Israel.

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01:08:04.000 Webster Tarpley joins us now.

01:08:05.000 Webster, always great to talk to you, sir.

01:08:07.000 Thank you, Jack.

01:08:08.000 How are you?

01:08:09.000 Great.

01:08:09.000 You know, when this whole thing brewed up in the Middle East, I thought, well, the first person I want to get the opinion of is Webster Tarpley.

01:08:15.000 I've got to know what Webster's thinking about all of this.

01:08:17.000 So, where do you want to start with this, Webster?

01:08:20.000 Recent developments?

01:08:21.000 How this all got started?

01:08:22.000 You go ahead and take it away.

01:08:23.000 Why don't we start with recent developments, and then we can get to some causes going back to 1975 or 1982, and I think we also have to talk about the Geneva Accords, which is, I think, the universally recognized means of getting out of this.

01:08:38.000 In other words, ending the Israeli occupation of the occupied territories.

01:08:42.000 But I think the immediate background is something like this.

01:08:46.000 We have a meeting in Beaver Creek, Colorado.

01:08:51.000 In the middle of June, just about a month ago now, which was attended by Cheney, by Rumsfeld, and by Netanyahu, the prominent extreme right-wing or neo-fascist Israeli politician.

01:09:09.000 And out of this apparently came the notion of starting a war on the lines of what we've seen so far, But with the very strong option of turning this into a general Middle East war by means of an attack on Syria and or Iran, and I guess the preferred option is Syria and Iran. 0.66

01:09:31.000 You will have noticed the litany, the propaganda, brainwashing litany that's coming from all of the controlled corporate media, from the Israeli government, from Condoleezza Rice, from Bush and so forth as he reads his lines.

01:09:46.000 Is that Syria and Iran support Hezbollah and therefore they have got to be in the bullseye. 0.87

01:09:52.000 So the idea is we had Netanyahu at the American Enterprise Institute Conference in Beaver Creek, Colorado mid-June.

01:10:00.000 We also had Olmert here in Washington, the Prime Minister, at the end of May.

01:10:06.000 And around that same time, Tony Blair also in Washington.

01:10:09.000 And it was clear at that time that some, as Bush said in his press conference with Blair, they talked about Iran The entire time, and it seems to be something like this, that what we're going to be treated to now over the next several weeks is continuous Israeli bombing, and this is bombing of the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon.

01:10:32.000 This is bombing electrical power plants, water treatment facilities.

01:10:37.000 The Israelis have destroyed about 50 bridges inside Lebanon. 0.72

01:10:41.000 They have targeted civilian areas.

01:10:44.000 They have targeted the Lebanese Army, which makes no sense in terms of what they say that they're doing.

01:10:49.000 They've got a sea blockade going, which has cut off the arrival of fuel in the form of fuel oil and gasoline.

01:10:58.000 They've got the airport destroyed, as you've seen.

01:11:01.000 They've got the fuel dumps at the airport destroyed and burning.

01:11:05.000 And basically an interdiction of all of the highways that lead out of this country so it is a war against the civilian population sounds like Ramadi a little bit like when we forgotten that happened a few weeks ago but it sounds a lot like what happened in Ramadi.

01:11:23.000 It is a crime against humanity.

01:11:25.000 It is a violation of international law.

01:11:27.000 These are actually Nuremberg crimes.

01:11:29.000 These are high crimes against humanity in the sense of the Nuremberg precedent and this I think was invoked by the Prime Minister of Lebanon But this is only the beginning.

01:11:40.000 Now, the idea would be that at a certain point, we see that the Hamas has been able to supply itself with certain kinds of rockets.

01:11:51.000 These are short-range rockets with no particular accuracy, but they have had some effect.

01:11:57.000 In the process, they have shown that the policy of unilateralism, as pursued by Sharon and Olmert, is absolutely untenable, because these were people who told the Israelis Don't make peace.

01:12:09.000 Forget about a political solution.

01:12:11.000 All you need to do is build that wall around Israel, and actually far into the Palestinian territory. 0.90

01:12:19.000 Not at all on the Green Line, but well in advance of it, well forward of what would ever go to Israel under any kind of a political settlement.

01:12:27.000 So they're told that they can hunker down behind that wall and simply ignore everybody on the outside.

01:12:33.000 And this has turned out to be as illusory as the Maginot Line.

01:12:37.000 The Maginot Line, of course, you could go around it.

01:12:39.000 In the case of this wall, the rockets go over it.

01:12:42.000 And this shows that without a political solution, there will simply be endless war, and there will be zero security for the people in Lebanon.

01:12:49.000 But that's just by the by.

01:12:51.000 The main issue now is that at a certain point, we can imagine Olmert throwing his hands up and saying, that's it, I've had enough, we've had missiles coming down in Haifa or Tel Aviv or some other place.

01:13:03.000 And now we're going to have a massive air attack against Syria. 0.62

01:13:07.000 This is widely speculated through intelligence reports that the Israeli Defense Force is preparing a sneak attack on the Syrian radar and air force facilities, such as they are.

01:13:18.000 They're not modern, but they do have some weight, and they're there.

01:13:23.000 That this would then be an attack against Syria, and it might also include some kind of mad adventure whereby the Israelis Launch an attack on Iran. 0.56

01:13:34.000 Now, they do not have the logistical depth to do a serious job on Iran, certainly, but this would then be a general war. 0.61

01:13:44.000 It would be expected that the Syrians and the Iranians would retaliate against Israel with such means as they have, which could turn out to be fairly substantial. 0.91

01:13:53.000 And at that point, the U.S.

01:13:54.000 would be dragged into the war.

01:13:56.000 But you see, the defect with this scenario, from the point of view of Cheney and company, Is that this would be the U.S.

01:14:02.000 dragged into war as the tail on the Israeli kite, as the tail on the Israeli dog, if you will.

01:14:08.000 And therefore, what I've been concerned about during the weekend is the potential for false flag operations done by the Israelis using the fact that we've got 25,000 American citizens, people carrying American passports, inside Lebanon.

01:14:25.000 They have not been helped.

01:14:27.000 We're now in the sixth day of the crisis.

01:14:29.000 And the great U.S. 0.97

01:14:30.000 military establishment and our wonderful State Department under Condoleezza Rice have been able, according to the figures that I've seen, they've been able to get 21 people out.

01:14:40.000 Now this means, this is a scandal of super Katrina proportions.

01:14:45.000 Six days into the crisis, no Americans have been helped out.

01:14:49.000 But everybody else, every other country, has managed to get their people out. 1.00

01:14:52.000 That is correct, and let's go through them.

01:14:54.000 We've got Spain, Greece, Austria, South Africa, Switzerland, France, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, the Emirates, all of those have been able to get substantial numbers of their nationals out of the country.

01:15:14.000 According to some cable reports, Italians and South Africans began leaving with the help of their embassy on Thursday.

01:15:21.000 Now you've heard Americans complaining on cable television.

01:15:25.000 The U.S.

01:15:26.000 Embassy and the consulates don't give a damn about us.

01:15:28.000 They have no plan, no approach.

01:15:30.000 They're not doing anything.

01:15:31.000 They're not even giving them any advice, really.

01:15:34.000 They're not even communicating with them.

01:15:36.000 It's contradictory advice.

01:15:37.000 They're being told, stay where you are.

01:15:39.000 Now suppose you're an American living in South Lebanon.

01:15:41.000 You pick up a leaflet from the Israeli Defense Force saying if you don't leave your home, you will be bombed.

01:15:47.000 To smithereens, but the U.S.

01:15:49.000 Consulate is saying, stay where you are, don't make a move.

01:15:52.000 Now, the suspicion therefore grows that these Americans are being held hostage for some kind of atrocity or provocation, which would be masterminded by intelligence agencies and the obvious suspects, U.S., Britain, Israel, this is no mystery who would be doing this, in order To get some Americans killed, and then pin that on Hezbollah, and there you have a one-way ticket into World War III. 0.54

01:16:20.000 And again, the non-feasance and malfeasance of the State Department and the Pentagon is overwhelming.

01:16:25.000 Imagine what kind of assets Poland has in the Mediterranean compared to the U.S.

01:16:29.000 Now, the U.S.

01:16:30.000 numbers are greater, that is true.

01:16:33.000 On the other hand, the assets are incomparably greater.

01:16:37.000 Aircraft carriers, the fleet is based over there in Naples.

01:16:39.000 They should be there already.

01:16:41.000 Although we're fighting two wars over there right now with most of our infrastructure in place, I mean, I guess we have a pretty good shot at rescuing people from there.

01:16:49.000 Absolutely, and if there were any serious demand to do this, the Italians did an exemplary operation.

01:16:54.000 They got people into Syria by land.

01:16:57.000 Now, of course, the U.S.

01:16:58.000 doesn't want to show Syria as a humanitarian power in the way they want to demonize them.

01:17:03.000 But you can also simply fly from British sovereign bases on Cyprus.

01:17:09.000 There are these places like Lanaka, which the British have had.

01:17:12.000 It's basically British territory.

01:17:13.000 There's no government that tells them what to do with it.

01:17:16.000 You could simply have helicopters flying from Cyprus over to Lebanon.

01:17:22.000 You could get a lot of these people out.

01:17:23.000 You could basically, they could all be out already.

01:17:27.000 Now, I also have to point to the absolute non-feasance of Bush.

01:17:30.000 A real President of the United States would demand a ceasefire, and he would demand a ceasefire for general reasons, because this is an Israeli aggression, and it's unprovoked, and we'll show how it's unprovoked. 0.74

01:17:44.000 But also, he would say, I'm demanding a ceasefire, among other things, because I have 25,000 American citizens in the country, and I'm also concerned about our Canadian friends.

01:17:54.000 The Canadians have Something like 40,000 Canadians in Lebanon that are now being bombed.

01:18:01.000 And some have already been killed.

01:18:03.000 Some Canadians have already been killed.

01:18:04.000 Eight Canadians killed, eight critically injured.

01:18:08.000 Now, it's obvious that these people count for nothing.

01:18:11.000 And of course, the racism that we saw with Katrina comes back to haunt us, because they will say, well, those are hyphenated Americans, those are Arab Americans, those people are, you know, they're somehow connected to Lebanon.

01:18:24.000 Well, I'm sorry, an American citizen is an American citizen and deserves what we used to call the full protection of the laws, but obviously this means nothing to Bush, nothing to Condoleezza Rice, Hang on Webster, I know you're on a roll.

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01:23:09.000 Our guest is Webster Griffin Tarpley.

01:23:12.000 Synthetic Terror made in the USA. 0.99

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01:23:28.000 That's why we're going to let him roll here for a bit and we are going to take your calls in this hour as well.

01:23:33.000 Where we left off, and Webster, you sent me this, hold Mossad, Shin Bet, Israeli Defense Forces responsible for the safety of these 25,000 Americans in Lebanon now.

01:23:43.000 It is absolutely preposterous that those people are left there by our president.

01:23:49.000 Our president that should have some control over a country like Israel, who should be able to say, cease fire till I get my people out, and then if you gotta keep bombing, bomb away. 0.96

01:23:58.000 But again, this really reveals how close Our government is with Israel, and as you say, has false flag terror, mass casualties, American casualties written all over it. 0.82

01:24:11.000 Webster?

01:24:12.000 I think it would be reasonable for an American president worthy of the name, first of all, to demand a ceasefire for the sake of the peace of the world, and to stop these humanitarian monstrosities that are going on.

01:24:23.000 But with a special eye towards the 25,000 Americans who are there, The statement ought to be, we hold the Israeli government and all of its military and security agencies personally responsible for the welfare of those Americans, and if any of them get killed by bombing or, above all, by false flag provocations, there will be no $4 billion aid check for Israel coming out of the U.S.

01:24:46.000 Treasury and going over there.

01:24:49.000 The $10 billion of loan guarantees that were conceded in the first half of this decade also should be abrogated.

01:24:58.000 I would add to that, from our point of view inside this country, we should put Ms. 0.98

01:25:02.000 Rice on notice that she better not be shopping on 5th Avenue for more Gucci shoes, because her job is to protect Americans in a place like Lebanon. 1.00

01:25:13.000 Anybody gets killed in Lebanon among the U.S. 0.94

01:25:16.000 community, the State Department also has to be held ...responsible for their massive failure.

01:25:22.000 Again, it's the sixth day.

01:25:23.000 Just about every nationality in the world has received some help.

01:25:27.000 The exceptions are the U.S.

01:25:29.000 above all.

01:25:29.000 The British have also had a similar policy.

01:25:32.000 It's very interesting.

01:25:33.000 We look at some of the British tabloids.

01:25:35.000 We find that Britons are protesting that the British Embassy in Beirut is ignoring them completely, and they're calling the BBC to complain.

01:25:45.000 Why doesn't the Foreign Office and the British Embassy Do anything to help us.

01:25:49.000 Maybe they're also being dangled out there as bait for false flag operations.

01:25:54.000 But it is a colossal scandal and people ought to make that known to their congressmen, senators.

01:25:59.000 We're paying a tremendous budget for the State Department.

01:26:02.000 A lot of that is consular activity to help people that are in these straits.

01:26:07.000 Uh, if you've seen the State Department spokesman, he goes on the air at the end of last week saying, well, you're on your own, we're not going to help you out.

01:26:13.000 We urge you to leave, but that was at the time when there was a sea blockade, the airport destroyed, and all the roads under bombardment.

01:26:20.000 And if we look at the State Department Communicate, it reminds everybody that it won't be free.

01:26:25.000 You're going to have to be billed for the cost of getting you out.

01:26:29.000 I don't know what we have a government for.

01:26:30.000 This is a bit of a pattern, though.

01:26:32.000 Of course, obviously Katrina comes to mind first and foremost, but what about in the World Trade Center towers in 2001?

01:26:38.000 I mean, weren't people told to stay at their desk?

01:26:41.000 And, of course, this is how we ended up with so many casualties?

01:26:44.000 Absolutely.

01:26:44.000 Again, we're in the sixth day of the crisis, right?

01:26:47.000 It started last Wednesday.

01:26:49.000 The day is ending now.

01:26:51.000 It's nine o'clock at night in the Middle East.

01:26:52.000 We've had six full days with a great U.S.

01:26:56.000 military establishment, again, based right over there at Naples, right?

01:27:00.000 The day of steaming away at most has done nothing.

01:27:03.000 The French have been able to mobilize a ferry boat, which is now going back and forth from Lebanon to Cyprus.

01:27:09.000 Maybe Bush is afraid of seeming to break the Israeli sea blockade, which is also a violation of international law.

01:27:16.000 Anyway, this is now a scandal.

01:27:18.000 Now, again, let's look beyond it, however.

01:27:21.000 In addition to this question of how the U.S.

01:27:24.000 might be embroiled, we have to think about the strategic implications.

01:27:29.000 If we had some atrocity, some massacre, committed against the Americans who have been hung out to dry and left dangling in Lebanon. 0.94

01:27:39.000 This would then become grist for the mill for the hysterical media operation that we've seen with Fox, but we've also seen CNN, MSNBC, all joining in.

01:27:49.000 All of the US networks pretty much are on a full war footing, a full propaganda regime, that they would blame that on Hezbollah and Iran.

01:28:00.000 And let's see now what happens if the U.S.

01:28:02.000 bombs Syria and or Iran. 0.96

01:28:04.000 Let's look at Syria.

01:28:06.000 It ought to be known to people that Russia, the Russian Federation, a considerable power, with many, many ICBMs still left in good order, have a naval base at Tartus in Syria.

01:28:19.000 If that base were bombed, that would begin the slide towards World War III.

01:28:24.000 Let's come back with that when we get back.

01:28:26.000 We'll also talk about UN peacekeepers and who is Hezbollah.

01:28:29.000 Something we need to clear up.

01:28:30.000 Webster Tarpley with us.

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01:31:59.000 Webster Tarpley with us today.

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01:32:11.000 There is so much to all of this.

01:32:13.000 I think the best thing we can do is just try to absorb it all.

01:32:18.000 See what meets with our common sense.

01:32:19.000 See what is fact and what is fiction.

01:32:21.000 One of the things that's fiction, at least in my mind, watching the conspiracy theories being woven By the establishment media, trying to arrive at the conclusion that Iran is ultimately behind all of this and they're using Syria and Hezbollah to do that. 0.77

01:32:38.000 And Hamas, by the way. 0.65

01:32:39.000 I think we need to really dig deep and find out who Hezbollah is, who is Hamas, who is funding them.

01:32:46.000 What are the facts?

01:32:47.000 Not the conspiracy theories involved here.

01:32:50.000 All the pieces of the puzzle link up through a variety of actions that we, as news people and pundits, try to interpret.

01:32:57.000 Let's look at what the facts and what the history here is.

01:33:01.000 Webster Tarpley, before we went to break, you were talking about a Russian naval base in Syria.

01:33:06.000 I wanted to let you finish with that, and let's get into who is Hezbollah.

01:33:10.000 The Russian naval base at Tartus has been maintained at a low level of activity, but it's there, and it has been there ever since the end of the Cold War.

01:33:19.000 The Russians never Never went home. 0.99

01:33:21.000 So you bomb that, you're killing significant numbers of Russians. 0.70

01:33:24.000 The other thing is, over the past weeks, I had picked up stories that a Russian surface-to-air missile battalion, SAM batteries, had been transferred by Russia into Syria.

01:33:37.000 Now that means that if the Israelis try to attack Syria, they're going to start to lose significant numbers of planes, and that goes for anybody else trying to make such an attack.

01:33:47.000 This obviously complicates it.

01:33:49.000 It means that if the United States does do anything vis-a-vis Syria and or Iran, you're going to get World War III. 0.79

01:33:57.000 In Iran, you've got Russians working in the nuclear facilities that they're helping to build. 0.86

01:34:02.000 You've got Chinese in the oil fields because of their large oil purchases.

01:34:07.000 It doesn't take many dead to send both of those countries into a tailspin of war enthusiasm.

01:34:17.000 And then you can get World War III.

01:34:19.000 I just want to mention one other thing.

01:34:21.000 The constant story that we're told is that the two Israelis on the Northern Front were kidnapped from Israeli territory, and it looks like this is not true.

01:34:31.000 Most of the evidence points to the fact that the two Israelis were on Lebanese territory.

01:34:37.000 They had violated the Lebanese border.

01:34:39.000 There's a newspaper in Germany called Junge Welt, and they quote some papers in Lebanon, Al Manar, a Lebanese news agency, that in the course of June, in particular, the Lebanese army had discovered a Mossad cell operating in Lebanon.

01:35:00.000 This had been set up by a guy called Meir Dagan.

01:35:04.000 Meir Dagan is one of the bosses of the Mossad.

01:35:07.000 He is the chief of the Mossad.

01:35:09.000 It's D-A-G-A-N. 1.00

01:35:11.000 He had created teams to go inside Lebanon To conduct car bombings and assassinations.

01:35:17.000 Now, these people don't look like Israelis. 0.89

01:35:21.000 They are Lebanese, but they've been recruited by the Israelis.

01:35:25.000 Some of them can be Druzes. 1.00

01:35:27.000 Some of them can be Christian Maronites. 0.92

01:35:30.000 Some of them can be of other ethnic origin.

01:35:34.000 But the idea is that a whole series of assassinations inside Lebanon had been done by the Israelis using these groups.

01:35:41.000 For example, you may know the name Jabril.

01:35:43.000 Ahmed Jibril was the head of the PFLP, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

01:35:49.000 His son was killed in May of 2002.

01:35:52.000 And other politicians in Lebanon, above all, Hariri, the Prime Minister of Lebanon, who was killed under very mysterious circumstances.

01:36:04.000 This was blamed on Syria.

01:36:06.000 There's some indication that it was done From the air by a bomb that might have been dropped by the Israeli Air Force, let's say.

01:36:13.000 It was blamed on Syria, but let's be very clear to the listeners, Webster, if they had any actual proof of Assad being part of this assassination attempt on Hariri, we would have heard about it.

01:36:22.000 Well, we had the Millis report at the United Nations, and the Millis report simply said nothing can happen in Lebanon without Syria approving of it.

01:36:31.000 With these revelations, we see that plenty happens in Lebanon that has nothing to do with Syria, that the Mossad has been killing people left and right, setting off car bombs, trying to foment ethnic conflict, and of course we know that there are plenty of Israeli special forces teams inside Lebanon now, not just the one that was announced this afternoon.

01:36:52.000 So, the evidence points to the fact that the Israelis now become the prime suspect in the Hariri killing, which was the basis of the big US hysterical campaign last year, that the Syrians had to leave, that the Syrians were bad, and so forth.

01:37:07.000 And ironically, it was the success of that campaign, forcing the Syrians out, that led to the creation of the current government under Senora. 0.93

01:37:16.000 So, Senora, the guy you see on television, is basically An asset of the U.S.

01:37:22.000 and he's being destroyed by the Israelis.

01:37:24.000 So the notion that the U.S.

01:37:26.000 has a Middle East policy is out the window.

01:37:29.000 The Israelis don't care about any of that. 1.00

01:37:31.000 The Israelis do whatever they want and this pathetic little twerp that we have in the White House feels that it's up to him to come out and announce his emphatic approval of whatever Olmert does. 0.98

01:37:43.000 It was already a deep humiliation for the United States. 0.95

01:37:48.000 When General Scowcroft pointed out that Bush was in Sharon's pocket, but now we have Bush in Olmert's pocket, and this is even more humiliating for a country of our type.

01:38:00.000 We should add to Scowcroft being an employee, or a former employee of Kissinger Associates, who was an employee of the Rockefeller Consultation Group.

01:38:09.000 Well, we can kind of see that these guys, and it's nice to see Zbigniew Brzezinski and others condemning war that we know they would have very well undertaken themselves if given the opportunity.

01:38:20.000 Just to make that very clear, don't believe a word coming out of Zbigniew.

01:38:23.000 Zbigniew's argument with the neocons is this.

01:38:25.000 Zbigniew ridicules the neocons.

01:38:27.000 He says, ha ha, you Straussian neocons, you're obsessed with the Middle East because you think the world revolves around Israel.

01:38:34.000 Zbigniew says, Don't waste time in the Middle East.

01:38:37.000 Attack Moscow directly.

01:38:38.000 March directly to Moscow.

01:38:40.000 He says he's more concerned about the collapse of the US puppet regime in Ukraine, which has now collapsed and been replaced by Yanukovych, the pro-Russian politician on the scene.

01:38:52.000 Zbigniew would have had color revolution, CIA people power coup in Belarus. 0.63

01:38:57.000 Followed by an attempt to do the same thing.

01:38:59.000 No, we know this.

01:39:00.000 This is just a slower path to try to make all of that happen.

01:39:03.000 This is a somewhat meandering path to World War III.

01:39:06.000 Now, you were asking about Hamas-Hezbollah.

01:39:09.000 Let's do Hamas. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Hamas is easy. 1.00

01:39:11.000 Hamas was created by Sharon.

01:39:13.000 No problem at all.

01:39:15.000 Sharon didn't like the PLO.

01:39:17.000 He saw that they were westernized, that they were conciliatory, that they wanted to ...have a negotiated settlement, and he found that was embarrassing for the Israelis, because it was always the Israelis saying, no, no, no, no talks, no political solution, there are no Palestinians.

01:39:33.000 So he created Hamas using his concessions that he was able to give when he was housing minister and similar things to build up Hamas as a kind of a social welfare agency in the occupied territories. 0.69

01:39:45.000 And he wanted them to be as radical and as irresponsible in their rhetoric and as anti-Israeli as they could be.

01:39:52.000 The problem was then, of course, that they won the election after the PLO had been brutalized and humiliated and attacked and bombed and arrested and assassinated.

01:40:02.000 Hamas then won the election earlier this year.

01:40:05.000 The interesting thing is a very influential group in the Hamas called the Prisoners Group, some of the 10,000 Palestinians who are languishing in Israeli jails right now.

01:40:16.000 We hear about the three Israeli soldiers, not too much about the 10,000 Palestinians and others who have essentially been grabbed, kidnapped, if you will, by the Israeli police and security.

01:40:28.000 The Hamas Prisoners Group had formulated the following position.

01:40:32.000 They said, we'll be glad to recognize Israel's right to exist.

01:40:35.000 We'll give them full recognition.

01:40:37.000 We just want reciprocity.

01:40:39.000 Wonderful thing in international law.

01:40:40.000 You want to recognize me?

01:40:42.000 I'll recognize you, you recognize me.

01:40:44.000 Which makes sense.

01:40:45.000 Which makes sense.

01:40:46.000 So this is a very reasonable position.

01:40:48.000 So Israel would be called upon, recognize Hamas as the government of the independent Palestinian state.

01:40:53.000 Let's exchange ambassadors.

01:40:55.000 Let's do all the things that governments do.

01:40:57.000 And we will recognize Israel on the spot. 0.67

01:41:00.000 Now this was intolerable for the demagogy of somebody like Olmert.

01:41:04.000 And therefore they had to begin With this process, which has led now to the arrest of many members of the Palestinian Parliament, in effect, even members of the Hamas cabinet, and a tremendous series of turbulent scenes between the PLO... Which happened a few weeks ago, is long forgotten in this newest conflict.

01:41:26.000 Right, so that was Hamas. 0.83

01:41:27.000 So then somehow, this is, of course, Gaza. 0.54

01:41:30.000 Gaza is not independent.

01:41:32.000 Gaza has been Momentarily vacated, or had been momentarily vacated by the Israelis, but it's a bantustan. 0.96

01:41:38.000 It's simply a kind of concentration camp, if you will.

01:41:43.000 It's about 200 square miles, right?

01:41:46.000 It's got a million and a half people in it, and they have no jobs, and they can't cross into Israel.

01:41:52.000 Let's move to Hezbollah, because as you say, Hamas is pretty easy to decode. 0.97

01:42:03.000 There's a lot of information coming out in mainstream media.

01:42:06.000 We're pretty clear on how Hamas was begun.

01:42:09.000 We obviously can put two and two together and see the infiltration of Hamas and know when we see Hamas, we're likely looking pretty close at Mossad or Shin Bet or Israel.

01:42:22.000 I would not say that Hamas is controlled by the Mossad today.

01:42:25.000 They're no longer controlled.

01:42:26.000 They have no assets in Hamas now.

01:42:31.000 I'm sure the Israelis infiltrate everything and there's no doubt about it. 1.00

01:42:35.000 I'll give you an example in a couple of minutes, but I would say Hamas has to be viewed with the election victory.

01:42:42.000 I just thought it was rather convenient, Webster.

01:42:44.000 I mean, excuse my naivete.

01:42:47.000 I just thought it was extremely convenient to have Hamas win that election in Palestine, and you can almost look into the crystal ball and see all of this coming down the road. 0.93

01:42:55.000 This is virtually inevitable.

01:42:56.000 The PLO kept saying, we want a negotiated peace, and the Israelis kept bombing and strafing and arresting.

01:43:02.000 And eventually people got fed up and they found that they got more bang for the buck with the Hamas vote and I think that's absolutely understandable to anybody. 0.99

01:43:09.000 That was the protest vote at the moment.

01:43:11.000 Now let's look at Hezbollah. 0.96

01:43:12.000 In order to understand this you have to realize Lebanon has been wrecked by the Israelis many times, not even four times, five times, six times. 0.52

01:43:20.000 We have to go back to 1975.

01:43:23.000 Lebanon in some ways was an exemplary country for the Middle East because they were operating under the Constitution of 1943.

01:43:30.000 Which meant that Shiites, Sunnis, Maronites, Melkites, Maronite Christians, Melkite Christians, all different kinds of people had a position in the government, right?

01:43:43.000 The President had to be one thing, the Prime Minister another, the Speaker of the Lower House one thing, the Speaker of the Upper House, the President of the Supreme Court.

01:43:51.000 All of this was assigned according to ethnic appartenance, and you may say that's not the American way, but this worked for them.

01:43:58.000 So this was an interesting example of how these groups could get along in an obviously multi-ethnic country with a weak state.

01:44:06.000 In 1975, Kissinger, Henry Kissinger, personally, deliberately provoked a civil war among these groups.

01:44:14.000 And he did it with the goal of destroying Lebanon. 0.99

01:44:16.000 And this succeeded.

01:44:17.000 So he was able to play the Maronites, the Christian side. 0.93

01:44:21.000 Some of them, of course, are fascists.

01:44:23.000 That would be the Falange that were active at the time, and I think they're still there. 0.51

01:44:27.000 They're also available for dirty activities.

01:44:30.000 This then led to the Tell al-Zatar massacre in 1976.

01:44:34.000 The Israelis went into southern Lebanon, the Syrians came into parts of northern Lebanon, and the Tell al-Zatar massacre was a Palestinian camp that was surrounded by the Israeli Defense Force, and then the Maronites, the Falangists, the so-called Christian Falange, went in and actually did the killing. 0.59

01:44:52.000 And this is one of the things that Sharon has been accused of war crimes in connection with in various in various actions in the European legal system.

01:45:01.000 So that's the first step.

01:45:03.000 Lebanon was essentially smashed deliberately by Kissinger, with a significant part of it being he did not want the peaceful coexistence among these groups sitting in the middle of the Middle East.

01:45:15.000 You've got to remember, Beirut is a real cosmopolitan city, probably the biggest publishing center in the Arab world.

01:45:21.000 Most books come out of there.

01:45:23.000 Then in 1982, we get Sharon, and this is Sharon's big invasion.

01:45:27.000 of Lebanon, which leads to an Israeli occupation of much of Lebanon that really only ends in the year 2000.

01:45:35.000 But as a result of this second one, in 1982, Hezbollah is founded.

01:45:40.000 I would regard Hezbollah as a response, a desperate response, of the Lebanese Shiite community in particular, in extremis, having been invaded, subjected to civil war, bombed, starved, blockaded, and all that. 0.86

01:45:57.000 Hezbollah is simply a very effective self-defense force that they have come up with.

01:46:01.000 Well, they're being funded by somebody, and I guess what we're trying to get to here, Webster, is, you know, the fact of the matter, here's what we're told, they are directly controlled by Iran and by Syria.

01:46:11.000 Obviously, they have to, any organization like this has to have some type of upper-tier funding or upper-tier help in order to even exist to begin with.

01:46:22.000 Don't you believe that?

01:46:23.000 Well, the main thing about them is that they have a very, very strong mass base, and they have very, very dedicated people, again, in the Lebanese Shiite community.

01:46:32.000 Now, if we say they get money, I'm sure they get money from lots of people.

01:46:36.000 I would say they get money from Syria, most likely.

01:46:39.000 When the Syrians were there, it's clear that they did. 1.00

01:46:42.000 And from Iran also, they have a close relationship.

01:46:45.000 Sure, they probably have people in America sending them money.

01:46:48.000 They probably got money.

01:46:49.000 The Saudis are famous for paying everybody. 1.00

01:46:53.000 The Saudis want to have everybody like them, so the Saudis pay them. 1.00

01:46:56.000 Who's calling the shots here?

01:46:59.000 I guess we want to know.

01:47:00.000 I would say the leadership that you see on television is close enough.

01:47:04.000 In other words, the Hezbollah guy that we see on television, the sheik, and he's got a rear echelon that probably sits in Damascus. 0.89

01:47:13.000 On the other hand, what kind of an argument is this, right?

01:47:16.000 They say, the U.S.

01:47:17.000 says, these bombs come from Syria and Iran.

01:47:21.000 Yeah, the Israeli F-16s and tanks and bombs all come from the U.S.

01:47:25.000 So what's the point?

01:47:27.000 What is the issue?

01:47:28.000 This is the sort of Manichaean nonsense that one side represents absolute evil, the other side absolute good, and once you touch absolute evil, you're totally tainted.

01:47:37.000 This is childish.

01:47:38.000 This has nothing to do with reality.

01:47:39.000 But you're saying that Hezbollah, as we know it today, is generally autonomous, is responsible for their own actions.

01:47:46.000 You wouldn't necessarily go as far to say, again as the pundits on mainstream media, that this is Syria and Iran.

01:47:53.000 In fact, let's just cut the middle man out. 0.99

01:47:55.000 This is Iran, plain and simple. 1.00

01:47:57.000 They've threatened to do this.

01:47:58.000 This is them trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth with minor weapons, rubber bands, and rocks. 0.98

01:48:05.000 I think that is all nonsensical.

01:48:07.000 You also have to look at the fact that there was an election, right?

01:48:10.000 As a result of this US agitation against Syria, there was an election in Lebanon, and at that point, Hezbollah won about, what, one-sixth of the seats.

01:48:18.000 25 out of 125, or something like that.

01:48:22.000 So that indicates that they have a strong mass base in the 40% or so of the Lebanese Who are Shiites, and naturally, since they're Shiites, they look to Iran to protect them in the same way that an Orthodox Serb would look to Russia. 0.54

01:48:35.000 And I don't see anything surprising about this, and I don't see anything so surprising.

01:48:41.000 It is interesting.

01:48:42.000 Hezbollah is the one force in the Middle East which unquestionably defeated the Israelis. 0.71

01:48:47.000 The Israelis wanted to stay in southern Lebanon. 0.98

01:48:49.000 The Israelis had created a puppet force called the South Lebanese Army. 0.73

01:48:54.000 Under this guy called Major Haddad, a fascist, obviously.

01:48:57.000 And they kept the area south of the Litani River as a kind of buffer zone, precisely because of these rockets.

01:49:04.000 But the Hezbollah guerrilla activity was so effective in that area that the Israelis were forced to retreat in 2000.

01:49:13.000 And that had an electrifying effect on the Arab and Islamic world, because this was the first time the Israelis had actually been driven out, like, forced out of territory, and Hezbollah was able to book that to their own credit. 0.91

01:49:26.000 Webster Griffin Tarpley giving us quite a history lesson here today, and I think this is all important to understand, so I hope that everybody is paying attention.

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01:53:25.000 What a great opportunity to meet Webster Tarpley at the 9-11 Truth Convention in Los Angeles.

01:53:31.000 And I liked how he made himself really accessible to all of the attendees at the convention.

01:53:36.000 Wester, like me, your head was probably spinning over there.

01:53:40.000 You took a lot of questions, but it was great of you to do that.

01:53:42.000 I hope that you can stay with us into the second hour.

01:53:44.000 We could take a bunch of questions with you.

01:53:46.000 Let's do that.

01:53:47.000 Because, you know, when we're painting this picture, it's easy for you to understand.

01:53:50.000 You've been studying this for decades.

01:53:52.000 I've been studying it for a number of years myself.

01:53:55.000 I know that there's probably some confusion on some of these issues, so I want to give the listeners a chance to clear all that up.

01:54:00.000 Let's do that in the second and third hour of the broadcast today.

01:54:03.000 Folks, again, this is the Alex Jones Show.

01:54:04.000 Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones today.

01:54:07.000 Talk about Pakistan with me in the few minutes we have left in this state. 1.00

01:54:10.000 Jack, maybe before we go to Pakistan, just a few other things that are essential on the specific stuff in the Middle East.

01:54:15.000 Because we could get to Pakistan and India.

01:54:18.000 It's a very different situation.

01:54:19.000 I'm handing you the steering wheel.

01:54:21.000 There's a false flag common denominator.

01:54:21.000 Go ahead.

01:54:23.000 That presence of the Israelis in Lebanon from 1982 to 2000 was a disaster for them in every way. 1.00

01:54:30.000 They lost more soldiers in that process, especially in the last years with Hezbollah coming against them, than they lost in all their other wars.

01:54:39.000 And the other thing is, they were driven to the verge of absolute national bankruptcy.

01:54:44.000 Israel has been impoverished.

01:54:46.000 It has turned into a very poor country.

01:54:49.000 With Netanyahu as finance minister in these Sharon governments, I think the figure is something like one-third of all Israeli children live in poverty.

01:54:59.000 Now, what kind of a policy is that?

01:55:01.000 A country that has to rely on its mental capital, its qualified labor force, doesn't have oil, doesn't have natural resources, has to depend on producing things, and the Israelis could do very well in that, but not with Netanyahu.

01:55:15.000 After the bankruptcy virtually became clear in 2000, they're getting four to five billion a year from the U.S., or something in that ballpark, They had to request an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees from the United States.

01:55:28.000 So, one of the things you have to realize is that the pressure cooker of Israeli politics is also fueled by the fact that people have seen their living standards collapse.

01:55:38.000 In particular, as Netanyahu brought in his wild schemes of deregulation, privatization, vulture capitalism, and the rest of this stuff.

01:55:49.000 Now, the other thing to say is, what's the answer?

01:55:51.000 We've got to at least begin to put this on the table.

01:55:53.000 Sure.

01:55:54.000 I go with people in Israel like Yuri Avnery.

01:55:57.000 I want to recommend this to people.

01:55:58.000 If you want to follow, week by week, what's going on in Israel, you can read Yuri Avnery's columns.

01:56:04.000 The organization is called the Gush Shalom.

01:56:07.000 S-H-A-L-O-M. 1.00

01:56:08.000 So, G-U-S-H-S-H-A-L-O-M. 1.00

01:56:11.000 That's in Hebrew.

01:56:11.000 It's called the Other Israel.

01:56:13.000 This is the Israeli Peace Movement.

01:56:16.000 If you want to go a little bit more towards the established parties, I suppose the Meretz Yahad party is probably the most interested in a peaceful solution.

01:56:29.000 But what's the peaceful solution?

01:56:31.000 In November 2003, we had Yossi Beilin, an Israeli politician, had been a minister in various governments.

01:56:38.000 Yasser Abed Rabo, for the Palestinian side, come out with a plan, which is simply this.

01:56:44.000 That the Israelis have to pull back all of their settlements to the 1967 borders.

01:56:50.000 All of them go back.

01:56:52.000 At that point, we get a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, as it was, as the borders were in 1967, and these two recognize each other.

01:57:04.000 So the settlements have to disappear, And on the Palestinian side, they have got to... There's your solution. 1.00

01:57:10.000 What's the likelihood of that happening?

01:57:12.000 They've got to give up the Palestinians. 1.00

01:57:13.000 One other thing, the Palestinians have to give up the right of return because it's going to have to be two separate states and the Palestinians will be able to return to a Palestinian state.

01:57:23.000 And then we have Jerusalem.

01:57:24.000 Stay tuned with us.

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01:59:40.000 And what is your website again, Webster?

01:59:41.000 It's WebsterTarpley.net?

01:59:43.000 You can go to Tarpley.net and read the Bush book for free, but if you want to buy the book, I would urge you to buy it through Alex's website.

01:59:54.000 And that's the unauthorized Bush biography.

01:59:59.000 People need to understand Webster that people like myself, Alex Jones, like yourself, I mean we're not funded by big multinational corporations, we're not part of an umbrella of major network news where we're making a lot of money doing this.

02:00:12.000 Generally we're holding on sometimes by the skin of our teeth and we use the funds by the money you spend on the material To sink in and go further and do more investigations and to expand our investigation, expand our message.

02:00:26.000 So it's vitally important that not only have these books and these materials because of the information, but that you support something such as this.

02:00:34.000 And that's something that we always try to put across to people.

02:00:37.000 Very, very important.

02:00:38.000 Webster, there's so much to talk about here.

02:00:41.000 I kind of want to move into some of the other regions in the Middle East, which is why I was asking you about Pakistan.

02:00:46.000 One or two more things before we hurry away.

02:00:50.000 In terms of 9-11, we've gotten used to the idea that it's all done under the cover of a drill, right?

02:00:55.000 An exercise is used to cover what they do.

02:00:59.000 If we look in the Israeli left-wing newspaper Haaretz from the 13th of July, the Haaretz has an article about a drill scenario, a drill plan, an exercise plan of the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, and the scenario involved is

02:01:16.000 An Israeli soldier is kidnapped by Hezbollah and the IDF responds with massive air and land attacks on South Lebanon to break up Hezbollah.

02:01:29.000 So that is the drill.

02:01:30.000 So what you're saying is they already had a drill to basically guard against what's happening right now.

02:01:36.000 Exactly, and then they flipped it live.

02:01:37.000 And maybe there's another drill somewhere in somebody's drawer That says, uh, get some Americans and, uh, have something bad happen to them, blame that on Hezbollah, and then you can, uh, you can essentially stampede the U.S.

02:01:50.000 into World War III.

02:01:51.000 Well, that's why it's really important that you put out the information that you did, that we're leaving these, uh, 25,000-odd, uh, Americans in Lebanon today.

02:01:59.000 It's important that you get this information out as well, folks, because then we know if something does happen to them, we know that we had the opportunity to get them out.

02:02:06.000 We know that it isn't an accident, it isn't a coincidence.

02:02:10.000 If Italy and South Africa can get people out starting on Thursday after about 24 hours, we're now six days into the crisis, the US has managed to do nothing.

02:02:20.000 We'll come back, Webster, quickly put something else on the record if you need to.

02:02:24.000 I want to just talk about Pakistan very briefly, and India as it pertains to this conflict in the Middle East, and then we'll go right to calls.

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02:06:22.000 My website quickly is jackblood.com.

02:06:24.000 You can always go check that out.

02:06:25.000 Alex's website is infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, quickly becoming the biggest alternative news website in the business today.

02:06:33.000 Webster Tarpley with us, tarpley.net.

02:06:36.000 Tarpley.net is his website.

02:06:38.000 Webster, I want to take these calls, so I'll tell you what, I'll skip my question on Pakistan, India, and even North Korea.

02:06:44.000 You can work that into the conversation if you like.

02:06:46.000 Finish up anything that has to be on the record before we go to these calls.

02:06:49.000 The economic potential of Israel, Palestine, all of these areas is enormous.

02:06:56.000 If you look at this, it is where Europe, Asia, and Africa come together.

02:07:01.000 It ought to be the crossroads of the world.

02:07:02.000 It ought to be the biggest Railhead, rail junction of modern railroads in the world.

02:07:08.000 It ought to be a place of transhipment, warehouses, naval transportation, coming through the Suez Canal.

02:07:16.000 It ought to be, essentially, the commercial hub of the world.

02:07:21.000 That's why everybody's fighting over it, isn't it?

02:07:23.000 Partly.

02:07:24.000 Partly to prevent that.

02:07:25.000 Again, we need a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders.

02:07:29.000 The Israelis go back to their 1967 borders. 0.90

02:07:32.000 Part of East Jerusalem has got to become the capital of the Palestinian state.

02:07:36.000 The one thing the United States could do is, in a small sense, we should be able to indemnify, pay off those Israeli settlers. 0.97

02:07:43.000 A lot of them are poor Russians who have been hustled in there as a means of buying a house, the only way they could get a roof over their heads.

02:07:50.000 Similarly, for the Palestinians, those are people who lost everything in the 1940s.

02:07:55.000 They could be indemnified.

02:07:57.000 Above all, we ought to promote The idea of a Marshall Plan for the area.

02:08:01.000 One of the main things you need is water.

02:08:03.000 Water can be produced through modern desalinization methods, but then you've got to have modern technology for your energy grid.

02:08:11.000 It should be one energy grid for the entire area.

02:08:13.000 That would solve the water question.

02:08:15.000 It's no coincidence that the Israelis always seem to want to go back to the Litani River, because that's one of the few rivers that you have within easy reach of Israel, and of course that water all gets grabbed.

02:08:27.000 The idea is there's a tremendous economic potential if we could just get through the insanity of racial politics and racial ideology and the constant manipulation of the U.S.

02:08:38.000 and the British.

02:08:39.000 Well, we know one thing for sure.

02:08:40.000 I mean, I don't think it takes even a college graduate, let alone somebody a think tank, to understand that bombing civilians on a regular basis is not going to stop terrorism.

02:08:50.000 I don't care how you define terrorism.

02:08:52.000 It's simply going to motivate more people to fight and to feel they have nothing to lose.

02:08:57.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:09:00.000 Webster Griffin Tarpley with us.

02:09:01.000 I want to thank everybody in advance for being as patient as you have.

02:09:04.000 We're going to go right down the list here, starting with Tonto in Texas.

02:09:07.000 Tonto, you're on the Alex Jones Show with Webster Tarpley.

02:09:10.000 Hey, Jack.

02:09:11.000 I'm excited about the prospect of hearing you for five hours in the next three days.

02:09:16.000 That's cool.

02:09:17.000 And I especially appreciate what's there.

02:09:19.000 Both of you guys are my rebel heroes.

02:09:22.000 Your phone is terrible, so go ahead and ask a question.

02:09:24.000 I appreciate the compliment.

02:09:26.000 Oh, okay.

02:09:26.000 Here we go.

02:09:27.000 I'm addressing the gentleman that talked earlier about he's on a vacation.

02:09:31.000 He wanted to know what to do.

02:09:32.000 What can we do now?

02:09:33.000 There's so many passive things we can do.

02:09:35.000 Number one, stop giving your money through a plastic card to Exxon, Conoco, and all those people.

02:09:42.000 Personally, I'd go get this though, because... I'm gonna talk to him, man.

02:09:46.000 You can't move closer to your receiver or something.

02:09:48.000 Your phone is almost illegible at this point.

02:09:50.000 You're cutting out constantly.

02:09:51.000 How about right now?

02:09:52.000 That's so much better.

02:09:55.000 Why do you do that in the first place?

02:09:57.000 And then he dropped.

02:09:58.000 That's why he didn't do it.

02:10:00.000 Webster, I'm going to let that dog lay where he is.

02:10:04.000 Let's go to Mark in Chicago.

02:10:05.000 Mark, thank you for holding.

02:10:07.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:10:08.000 Thank you, Jack and Webster.

02:10:10.000 Pleasure to be with both you gentlemen.

02:10:11.000 I think there's so many complex issues here that we have to focus.

02:10:16.000 And as Webster always says, I'm a devotee of Webster.

02:10:19.000 A lot of his terminology is MIHOP and the 9-11 criminals and the crimes that are involved.

02:10:26.000 I built a website, 911essentials.com.

02:10:31.000 It features videos of everybody that you can think of from Webster to David Ray Griffin, Morgan Reynolds, Jeff King, Dr. Stephen Jones, Alec, Ron Paul, I've got everybody on there, Kevin Ryan, David Shaler, And what I think has to be done is, I believe in Webster's theory of looking forward, we have to start inoculating people and getting them aware of this.

02:10:54.000 It's like you're trying to turn somebody on to a new band or new music.

02:10:57.000 They have to find this out.

02:10:59.000 And by this, you're talking about MIHOP in general.

02:11:04.000 My op in general, in this situation that's going on now... Folks, for those of you listening for the first time, that means made it happen on purpose as pertaining to 9-11, whereas some people might say that they let it happen or they didn't do anything at all.

02:11:18.000 I just wanted to clear up the terminology for people.

02:11:21.000 Mark, go ahead.

02:11:22.000 As Webster would say, you're leading the lambs to the slaughter, if you believe in LIOP. 0.68

02:11:27.000 It's just absolutely ludicrous to think that those things are... It's a farce, and I think the hardest thing is getting people to understand that their media that they turn on every night is a bunch of bull, and it's not the facts of what's going on.

02:11:40.000 And I get on the radio here a lot, and I start talking to, you know, reporters and people with talk shows, and I start talking about things like the Iranian Boris and the Russian RTS, and the fact that, you know, Putin's going to be I'm looking to make a ruble, an actual world currency, and trading gold with it too, possibly.

02:11:55.000 And the fact that the Vatican and the French and Italian oil companies have decided to go Euro.

02:12:01.000 I mean, the world is so complex that Americans are so... they're anesthetized from anything like this.

02:12:08.000 So when you start talking to these talk show hosts, Unless it's somebody like you guys, they look at you and they're going to thank you for your next call.

02:12:14.000 They literally don't know what you're talking about.

02:12:16.000 Well, of course they don't.

02:12:17.000 Well, no, because, I mean, look, if you're... Webster knows this good and well.

02:12:21.000 If you are a talking head for a mainstream media outlet, you're generally somebody who gets a script, you read the script, you don't even really have to know much about it.

02:12:31.000 There are pundits out there and people like Bill Kristol and others whose job it is to put things on the record and try to get Americans thinking in a way that obviously is beneficial to them.

02:12:42.000 Webster, is there a way for people to understand the complicated geopolitical world we live in without getting them a five-year education in all of this?

02:12:52.000 Well, I think right now the thing that you have to bear in mind is that if there are any massacres of Americans in Lebanon, and indeed if weapons of mass destruction go off anywhere in the world, it's not Hezbollah, it's not Iran, it's not Syria, it's not Bin Laden in the famous cave, it is Cheney.

02:13:11.000 Cheney's office, Cheney's backers, Cheney's controllers.

02:13:14.000 And again, this proves to be the case.

02:13:16.000 We've proven it again this time.

02:13:18.000 The Beaver Creek, Colorado meeting of the American Enterprise Institute with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Netanyahu, And I forgot, Nathan Sharansky, former Russian, remember him?

02:13:30.000 Obviously a U.S. 0.52

02:13:31.000 agent in Russia, but now in Israel, leader of one of the main warmonger parties.

02:13:37.000 He was there too, and they cooked up, obviously, what you're now seeing.

02:13:41.000 Let me ask you another question, because you mentioned American Enterprise Institute, one of the leading think tanks here in the country, and I've interviewed a lot of people from that particular think tank, and they all seem to point to David Rockefeller being the prime controller of American Enterprise Institute.

02:13:55.000 Do you believe that?

02:13:56.000 No, I don't think so.

02:13:57.000 I think it's Lord Conrad Black.

02:13:59.000 And this is embarrassing for them.

02:14:00.000 They'd like it to be David Rockefeller, because he has not been criminally indicted yet.

02:14:04.000 But Lord Conrad Black has.

02:14:06.000 The head of Hollinger Corporation.

02:14:08.000 Now this was a guy, he's alleged to have stolen 90 million dollars from Hollinger.

02:14:12.000 Hollinger means the London Daily Telegraph, London Sunday Telegraph, Chicago Sun-Times, a whole press empire around the world. 0.99

02:14:20.000 Conrad Black was robbing the company blind with the help of his wife, Barbara Amiel, and she went around calling herself, this is not me saying it, she called herself the fascist bitch, Barbara Amiel. 0.80

02:14:33.000 And Lord Conrad Black, and on the board, with fiduciary responsibilities, was Richard Perle, somebody who is sure to undergo a long period of... So the head of American Enterprise Institute, in your opinion, is a Canadian? 0.96

02:14:45.000 Pardon me?

02:14:46.000 Isn't Conrad Black a Canadian?

02:14:48.000 Yes, he's a lord of the British Empire, but originally this is something called Argus Corporation that turned into Hollinger.

02:14:55.000 It's a British Empire Intelligence proprietary, going back to World War II.

02:15:00.000 So that's who he is.

02:15:01.000 He was also the leading figure, by the way, in the impeachment of Clinton.

02:15:04.000 An interesting story.

02:15:06.000 His papers were the flagship for the anti-Clinton movement.

02:15:10.000 An interesting sideline on the whole thing.

02:15:12.000 In any case, Conrad Black was their big moneybags, and it turns out a lot of that money had to have been stolen.

02:15:18.000 So, very embarrassing for the American Enterprise Institute.

02:15:21.000 I would also point out that Michael Ledeen over there, that's where he operates, He has taken it on the chin in the past month or so.

02:15:29.000 A lot of his pals in Italy, some of these people in the CISMI, the Italian Military Intelligence, have now been indicted for their role in CIA kidnappings in Italy.

02:15:39.000 And about 25 members of the CIA station have been subjected to arrest warrants.

02:15:46.000 So it looks like the Ledeen networks in Italy are being rolled up.

02:15:50.000 By the new government of Prodi, which is a big improvement over Berlusconi.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, I just actually did a whole show on Berlusconi the other day, and that's like a whole other show here, so we'll try not to get too sidetracked.

02:16:01.000 Hey, thanks for holding, everybody.

02:16:02.000 Let's go to Tony in Toronto.

02:16:04.000 Tony, thank you for holding.

02:16:06.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:16:07.000 Yeah, hi, Jack.

02:16:08.000 Hi, Webster.

02:16:09.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:16:11.000 I just want to talk about this thing that people want to just jump to Israel Defense.

02:16:16.000 They have to understand that history is not as cut and dried as you'd like to think.

02:16:20.000 There's a difference between Hebrew, Semitic, Jews, Israelites.

02:16:23.000 You know, Kessler, the author of the Thirteenth Tribe, he said himself in the book that the Jews, anyone in Israel right now, would be hard-pressed to really prove that they're descendant from the ancient Israelites.

02:16:36.000 You know, it's obvious they don't care about us.

02:16:38.000 They just killed eight of our citizens, and I don't think we... Yeah, that came up earlier, Tony.

02:16:42.000 I don't know if you heard the caller call in earlier and said that You know, we need to lighten up on Israel because they're the chosen people, and anyone that goes against Israel will be destroyed, according to God.

02:16:53.000 But then again, we had to get into what is an Israelite, and certainly I don't believe it's the people involved in the state project of 1948.

02:17:01.000 Webster, do you want to address any of that?

02:17:03.000 I think we have to look at the real world and deal with the real world that we have in front of us right now.

02:17:07.000 The imperative is, a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders Israel in the 1967 borders, recognized by everybody in the region, no more settlements, no right of return, but a massive Marshall Plan for the entire area.

02:17:22.000 The problem with the Israeli policy is its futility, and ultimately it's suicidal.

02:17:27.000 If you look at Samuel Huntington's scenario book, The Clash of Civilizations, you will see that in his third world war scenario, Israel is annihilated.

02:17:37.000 The current leaders of Israel are leading Israel into annihilation.

02:17:41.000 We'll be right back.

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02:21:51.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

02:21:55.000 I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.

02:22:00.000 And it burns, burns, burns.

02:22:03.000 We are terrorists.

02:22:04.000 We attempt to document everything we say, like the Fox or Foe news networks.

02:22:10.000 And let me tell you, I know a lot of people don't like Fox News for their obvious points of propaganda, but let's remember all of the networks do it.

02:22:19.000 Some do it worse than others.

02:22:20.000 You know, something else I've noticed that When you're talking about Abu Massab Zakaoui, you're looking at probably about 90% of what you're hearing on network news being wrong.

02:22:30.000 When you're talking about this Israeli-Lebanon conflict, the coming conflict with Syria and potentially Iran and all the implications, about 90% of what they're telling you is wrong.

02:22:40.000 It's almost unwatchable at this point.

02:22:43.000 Most of the time I'd probably put it at about 40% right, maybe 60% wrong, and you can glean out some information out of it, but Boy, they are on a roll today, and as you said earlier, Webster Griffin-Tarpley, they are on a war footing.

02:22:57.000 The entire mainstream mass media, the establishment media, on a war footing.

02:23:02.000 And we're told that, well, we were wrong to do that leading up to Iraq.

02:23:06.000 We were maybe wrong doing that leading up to Afghanistan.

02:23:08.000 And we're now going to really expose these warmongers, these chicken hawks, for who they are. 0.89

02:23:14.000 And then the next thing you know, they're right back in the bandwagon marching to the tune.

02:23:18.000 Webster?

02:23:19.000 Even though they have had some defections.

02:23:21.000 If you watched Fox yesterday, there was a guy called Bibi Lakwa from the Special Forces, who had it up to here.

02:23:27.000 He said he thought the Israelis ought to stop bombing bridges, stop killing civilians. 0.97

02:23:31.000 He said they're schizophrenic. 0.99

02:23:33.000 They never understand.

02:23:34.000 They think they can bomb people into liking them and opposing their enemies.

02:23:38.000 So the level of insanity is very, very high.

02:23:41.000 And there are some people, I think, who are not so happy.

02:23:44.000 To go along with it.

02:23:46.000 I saw a couple of instances like that.

02:23:48.000 In fact, they brought on, I forget his name, he wrote the book on confronting Iran, I believe. 0.95

02:23:52.000 Exactly, that was the third case in the afternoon, that guy.

02:23:56.000 And they were trying to get him to pin everything on Iran.

02:23:58.000 He's like, no, I don't think we can.

02:23:59.000 As our dear friend President Putin says, there is no proof that says that whatever Hezbollah does is dictated from Tehran and Damascus.

02:24:07.000 That is a fairy tale.

02:24:10.000 Money, sure.

02:24:11.000 Moral support, sure.

02:24:13.000 Propaganda support.

02:24:15.000 But orders, there's no proof.

02:24:16.000 So, you can't start World War III based on assumptions.

02:24:20.000 Well, you can and you will.

02:24:22.000 That's what we're here to try to stop, of course.

02:24:25.000 Let's go back to Tony.

02:24:26.000 We cut you off there at the end.

02:24:27.000 I just wanted to give you a chance to finish up.

02:24:29.000 Tony in Toronto, anything else?

02:24:31.000 A couple of key points that people need to know.

02:24:34.000 The Quran actually does recognize that Christ is the Messiah and that the Israelites are God's chosen people.

02:24:42.000 So all this stuff you see on TV and all the, you know, spoon-fed version of the Bible you've been given and prophecy, it's all just nonsense.

02:24:50.000 It's just so twisted.

02:24:51.000 Thanks, Tony.

02:24:52.000 That's what people want you to understand.

02:24:53.000 I appreciate your comments.

02:24:54.000 Thanks for calling in today.

02:24:55.000 Tonto in Texas is back on a better phone, I'm told.

02:24:58.000 Tonto, we're going to give you another crack at it.

02:24:59.000 Go ahead.

02:25:00.000 Can you hear me now?

02:25:02.000 Go ahead.

02:25:02.000 Kind of.

02:25:06.000 You're cutting out a little bit again.

02:25:07.000 Yeah, it's not going to work, Tonto.

02:25:10.000 Look, folks, this is the thing.

02:25:12.000 We're going very fast here.

02:25:13.000 We've got a limited amount of time.

02:25:15.000 I want everybody to get in, especially those of you who have held for so long, but there's just no way we can put you on the radio if your phone doesn't work.

02:25:22.000 Don't even attempt to call in to a radio show on a substandard phone.

02:25:26.000 Check it out first, make sure it works, and then we'll save you a lot of time holding.

02:25:30.000 Sorry for that, Tonto.

02:25:31.000 We gave you two cracks and you're out.

02:25:33.000 Scott in Ohio, thank you for calling.

02:25:35.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:25:37.000 Hi Jack, doing a great job as usual.

02:25:39.000 Okay, thanks.

02:25:40.000 Greetings Mr. Topley.

02:25:42.000 Hello.

02:25:43.000 The previous caller kind of stole a little bit of my thunder, but I'd like to get your take on the following.

02:25:50.000 I really take issue with the caller talking about blessing Israel.

02:25:55.000 This whole issue of the unquestioning American support for Israel is based on the Judeo-Christian neocon assumption That the Israelis are Jews in general, or actually the lineal descendants of the Biblical Israelites.

02:26:09.000 This is an incredibly powerful and controlling assumption, which actually directs our Middle East foreign policy.

02:26:18.000 Due to Judeo-Christian, Neocon influence in our... Hold on a second, Scott. 0.82

02:26:23.000 Do you believe that, Webster, that they're doing all of this for some type of prophecy reason, or do you believe they're just using that for an excuse?

02:26:30.000 No, if you read the writings of Leo Strauss, he basically says, we're all atheists here, but we color ourselves with some kind of a religion because it's convenient for us.

02:26:40.000 That's the guru of the Neocons, an atheist. 0.98

02:26:44.000 So the bottom line here is, Scott, I mean, you know, this is the excuse.

02:26:47.000 In fact, if you read a lot of the liberal writings, you'll hear a lot about this.

02:26:52.000 They're possessed with the end times, they're possessed with the Bible, and that's why they're doing all of this. 0.98

02:26:57.000 Except, when you actually look into who these people are, and you see a movie like Alex Jones' Order of Death, you see that not only are they atheists, they're occultists, they're Babylonians, and they worship some Egyptian deity somewhere.

02:27:10.000 But that doesn't really matter when the neocons themselves, the Judeo-Christian mindset, is that... They're not, though!

02:27:16.000 That's what I'm telling you!

02:27:16.000 They're not of that mindset!

02:27:18.000 This is all a ruse!

02:27:19.000 We'll be right back after this, folks.

02:27:20.000 Folks, stay tuned.

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02:27:42.000 So Janice, where are you and Jim going on vacation this summer?

02:27:45.000 Definitely somewhere with a beach, though who knows if our feet will even touch the sand.

02:27:49.000 That reminds me Janice, have you figured out how to talk to Jim about his problem?

02:27:53.000 No, I want to, but men can be so sensitive.

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02:30:40.000 They railed against the crown Another ragtag band Declaring independence They...

02:31:04.000 That question was asked earlier.

02:31:08.000 I don't mind a question like that.

02:31:12.000 Thanks to the renegades.

02:31:17.000 What would George Washington do?

02:31:20.000 That question was asked earlier.

02:31:22.000 I don't mind a question like that.

02:31:23.000 I think that's a good question, a good way to beat this into philosophy.

02:31:28.000 be.

02:31:29.000 And I'm happy to do that.

02:31:30.000 Webster Griffin-Tarpley with us today.

02:31:32.000 I'm going to go back to the phones, but let me ask you a polite question.

02:31:35.000 Can you call in with questions?

02:31:38.000 Correct me if I'm wrong here, Webster. 0.99

02:31:39.000 Did we have you on the show today to talk about the geopolitical aspects of this, or did we have you on today to talk about the religious aspects?

02:31:46.000 If so, go ahead and make a statement pertaining to religion, if you like.

02:31:50.000 I think the questions of religion have got to take second or third place to the urgent humanitarian need of finding A peaceful solution.

02:31:59.000 Remember that inside Israel you have a multi-ethnic state with a million or more Arabs who live in Israel and are citizens of a certain kind and do vote in elections and so forth.

02:32:13.000 So that the notions of an ethnic or racial or religious analysis, I think they all lead us in the wrong directions because one guy comes with his holy book and says this land has to be one thing and the other guy comes with his holy book that says The opposite, and then that leads to a bloodbath.

02:32:30.000 The one thing we can say is, under Christianity, we have essentially two commandments.

02:32:36.000 Love God, love your neighbor.

02:32:39.000 Love your neighbor is the area of cooperation, economic development, doing positive things to improve the lot of people.

02:32:48.000 There's a similar concept in Islam.

02:32:51.000 Social solidarity.

02:32:52.000 There's a similar concept in Confucianism.

02:32:55.000 It's benevolence and the need to make people prosperous and then to educate them.

02:33:00.000 So this is the basis of human survival.

02:33:02.000 Again, what we've got to have is that political solution.

02:33:06.000 We're the development program.

02:33:07.000 You can say there's no common interest between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

02:33:11.000 Let us use economic development to create a common interest.

02:33:16.000 And then we have to have a Palestinian state.

02:33:19.000 With its own ports, airports, land crossings, its own foreign relations, its own financing.

02:33:24.000 Completely independent.

02:33:25.000 And the border between a Palestinian state and Israel has got to be absolutely inviolable.

02:33:33.000 In other words, that's the place where an international peacekeeping force To patrol that, to make sure that neither side crosses it. 0.66

02:33:40.000 I absolutely agree with this.

02:33:41.000 This is the common sense solution here.

02:33:43.000 And until we see that we're edging in that type of a direction, the rest of it will be more war, more bloodshed, more, as I call it, collective necrophilia in the Middle East. 0.98

02:33:53.000 And let me say this, you know, I'm a spiritual person.

02:33:56.000 I just don't happen to believe that if you want to get a spiritual answer to some of these questions, calling in today with myself and Webster Tarpley aboard is probably the best place to go.

02:34:05.000 I'm sure there are better places to go to get better spiritual or Christian analysis than what we have today and the remaining 15 minutes and I want to get to the hardcore geopolitical issues, questions and answers and I hope that we can go more into that direction.

02:34:19.000 That being said, let's go ahead and spin the roulette wheel. 0.95

02:34:23.000 We'll go to Mark in Atlanta.

02:34:24.000 Mark, thank you for joining us here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:34:27.000 Hey, how's God bless you Lee?

02:34:30.000 Good to have you aboard Mark.

02:34:31.000 I'm under the impression that the unstated purpose for the State of Israel was to foment friction between the Jewish people.

02:34:42.000 and the Muslim nations, and I believe, you know, that in spite of fact that unstated goals in modern politics generally succeed wildly.

02:34:52.000 Just as the UN's unstated goal is to form a one-world government, and they've been incredibly successful in that end.

02:35:00.000 And my buddies at the JBS, the John Burke Society, have told me that basically the thing is don't be deceived by what they claim the purpose is to give the Jewish people a homeland, Because, from what I've heard, the government of the state of Israel are primarily secular humanists.

02:35:19.000 They claim to be Israelis, but they don't really practice Judaism proper.

02:35:25.000 You want to comment on that, Webster?

02:35:27.000 I can't disagree with much of that.

02:35:29.000 Israelis, just like everybody else, have the right to practice whatever religion they want, or no religion at all. 0.97

02:35:34.000 I don't see this one-world government.

02:35:36.000 What I see is City of London financiers, Wall Street financiers, And the Israelis as a kind of appendage of this. 1.00

02:35:43.000 Naturally, modern Zionism goes back to Lord Palmerston. 0.75

02:35:47.000 This was the British being concerned with the smaller peoples of the Ottoman Empire, the Turkish Empire at that time.

02:35:54.000 They were interested in cultivating Druzes, Kurds, Copts, Greeks, Armenians, Jews also.

02:36:03.000 Palmerston got the idea of colonizing the Middle East with Jewish emigrants from various other parts of the world.

02:36:09.000 This has been promoted, I think Jack mentioned, the Balfour Declaration and similar things.

02:36:13.000 Notice in World War I, the British and the French were able to promise the same territory to three different people, to themselves, to the Arabs, and then also to the Jews.

02:36:22.000 So this was obviously done with a tremendous bad faith.

02:36:25.000 But whatever the history is, you're now confronted with those millions of Israelis there and these 4 million Palestinians here. 0.99

02:36:33.000 The only possible solution is a two-state solution with a strong economic development program that would also be a key to beginning economic recovery in this country, because naturally our economy is collapsing.

02:36:47.000 We've just lost one-third of General Motors and about one-third of our remaining industrial jobs.

02:36:54.000 If you look across the auto industry, just in the past A couple of months.

02:36:58.000 The United States economy is sinking like a stone towards a one-way thermodynamic collapse, and one way to get out of that would be to start producing railroad technology for the Middle East. 0.97

02:37:09.000 The Federal Reserve itself says the U.S.

02:37:11.000 is heading for bankruptcy, and I'm going to cover that probably on my program following this show.

02:37:15.000 Mark, quickly, anything else?

02:37:18.000 I thought you made some good points, and I happen to also believe that part of establishing the Israeli state in the Middle East was to eventually create chaos and then order out of chaos, and it seems to be working wonderfully over the last 60 years. 0.69

02:37:34.000 Let's go to Dave in Michigan.

02:37:35.000 Dave, thank you for holding here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:37:38.000 Yes, sir.

02:37:39.000 Yes, your guest made the point in the last hour that one-third of Israeli children live in extreme poverty.

02:37:45.000 I think the great majority of them are the children of the Orthodox, the Lubavitchers, the Hesedim, that don't work, that don't serve in the army, they don't shave, they don't bathe, but they all got seven or eight kids. 0.59

02:37:45.000 Yes. 0.59

02:37:59.000 Okay, I don't know what the point of that question is.

02:38:03.000 Can you figure that out?

02:38:04.000 Judge not lest you be judged would be my...

02:38:07.000 My version, whoever they are, nobody deserves to live in poverty.

02:38:12.000 He says they're bringing them on themselves, in a way, even compared to... If you don't work and you have 7 or 8 kids, you should be poor!

02:38:18.000 If there's no work, where are you going to work?

02:38:20.000 Hello?

02:38:21.000 Yeah, I'm here!

02:38:23.000 The problem here is that the Israeli economy, under Netanyahu's misleadership, is a caricature of wild capitalism, deregulation, free market, insanity, domination by cartels, An extreme oligarchical economy for a few plutocrats, and everybody else takes it on the chin.

02:38:42.000 And this is important to understand because it explains the obvious irrationalism of the Israeli political leaders.

02:38:50.000 They're sitting on top of a pressure cooker, which is about to explode for them, and that's one of the reasons they do what they do.

02:38:58.000 Let's go to Mike in Texas.

02:39:00.000 Mike, thank you for holding.

02:39:01.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show with Webster Tarpley.

02:39:04.000 Jack, can you hear me?

02:39:05.000 Yes, I can.

02:39:06.000 Okay, great.

02:39:07.000 Pleasure to be on the program.

02:39:08.000 Webster, I appreciate all the work that you do.

02:39:11.000 Thank you.

02:39:12.000 Here's a geopolitical question.

02:39:15.000 In the past year, and I've been doing a lot of work calling AM and FM stations trying to get our message out on constitutionalism, and on this Israeli question, there's a lot of talk by the Zionists and those supporters of them saying that The Arab countries in the region want to do away with Israel, whereas Israel has not put out any kind of policy statement wanting to do away with any of the Arab countries.

02:39:43.000 And I did pick up in the last year somewhere where there was a plan to divide Iraq into five provinces.

02:39:52.000 And my question is, do you have any concrete information where Israel may have been floating out

02:40:00.000 uh... plans to uh... uh... recreate uh... about boundaries of of the any of the air countries and i did it floated out on the mainstream media before uh... you know this latest uh... escalation of turmoil in iraq where nbc and others were saying well perhaps the thing to do is divide iraq into several pieces if we can have some concrete evidence that israel is behind that it will help us to uh... neutralizes argument

02:40:30.000 By the Zionists saying that, hey, we're just friendly people over here, and it's the Arabs that want to do away with Israel. 0.97

02:40:35.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:40:36.000 All right, good question.

02:40:37.000 If you look on the Internet, and actually, Jack, I can send this to you, I have in front of me the Bernard Lewis plan map for the Middle East.

02:40:44.000 Naturally, this plan is to dismember and balkanize every existing country in the Middle East, and of course it's made in London. 0.99

02:40:51.000 It's made by the past masters of the Middle East, the people who created all of these countries, after all, including Israel, the British Arab Bureau, And the British Foreign Office.

02:41:01.000 Now, Bernard Lewis, you know, he operates out of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton.

02:41:07.000 When he just had his 80th birthday, he had Cheney there, Kissinger there for him.

02:41:11.000 Bernard Lewis is the guy.

02:41:13.000 It means that Iraq is divided into three parts. 0.60

02:41:17.000 Kurds, Sunni Desert State in the middle, Shi'istan in the south.

02:41:22.000 We get a Kurdistan, which is carved out of Turkey, out of Iran, out of Syria, out of Iraq. 0.64

02:41:30.000 Lebanon gets divided, a Druze entity, a Maronite entity, Sudan gets cut into two parts, Pakistan gets cut into Pashtunistan and Balochistan, Iran fares the worst, they get divided six ways, Balochistan, Arabistan, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, and sitting in the middle of landlocked oil-less Iranistan.

02:41:54.000 That is the goal, it is the balkanization of all of these countries Jack, this is a very crude map that I put together, but if you're interested in it, I'd be glad to send you one.

02:42:06.000 If you would, and I'll compare it.

02:42:08.000 You can put it up on your website, if you give me a good email address to send it to.

02:42:12.000 Jackblood at Hotmail.com.

02:42:14.000 Okay.

02:42:15.000 And concerning the other part of it, concerning who feels threatened, I've been on Israeli national radio a couple of times, and people call in and say, look, we feel threatened by Iran.

02:42:27.000 Because they may soon have a nuclear weapon, and I have to say, well, imagine how the Iranians feel, because you already have 400 nuclear weapons. 0.95

02:42:33.000 What are they to feel?

02:42:34.000 If we have a situation where people feel threatened, then go to the table, the negotiating table.

02:42:41.000 What we need is obviously an international conference for the Middle East that would attempt to solve everything all at once. 0.64

02:42:49.000 Israel-Palestine, the question of the Kurds, the question of Lebanon, the question of what happens with Iraq, The situation of Iran?

02:42:58.000 What's with Sudan? 0.99

02:42:59.000 What's with all these other places?

02:43:01.000 Sure, but as you say, the Balkanization there runs pretty deep through decades, if not centuries.

02:43:08.000 How do you get people to come to the table, number one, and then to agree on anything, number two?

02:43:12.000 It would be the role of an American president, if we can remember what this might be.

02:43:17.000 If you are the leading state in the world, you ought to take the responsibility.

02:43:21.000 We had, I can remember, a US-Soviet statement in the early 80s that called for the Convocation of a Middle East Peace Conference.

02:43:28.000 Secretary Rogers, under the Nixon regime, tried to move in this direction.

02:43:34.000 We need a general peace conference for the Middle East.

02:43:37.000 It should be devoted to peace and economic reconstruction, because every one of these places has now been destroyed by war.

02:43:44.000 Iraq, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, all of them destroyed by war or internal Problems over recent years, or by tremendous cataclysms like Sudan. 0.97

02:43:56.000 And let's not forget Afghanistan. 0.86

02:43:58.000 We seem to always forget them.

02:43:59.000 Throw them into the Middle East, too, and have everybody come to the table. 1.00

02:44:03.000 And then let them say, those who feel threatened should speak, and the others will say, We feel threatened, too.

02:44:09.000 So what's the answer?

02:44:10.000 Well, I mean, look, the fact is, making that all happen, this is a proper solution, and I credit you, Webster, for bringing this to the table.

02:44:17.000 Unfortunately, let's be realistic here.

02:44:20.000 Let's use some common sense.

02:44:21.000 George W. Bush isn't likely to do that.

02:44:23.000 George Bush's successor isn't likely to do any of this.

02:44:26.000 And then we've got, again, more hostilities and more animosity than ever before throughout the Middle East.

02:44:31.000 So what happens next?

02:44:33.000 Barring this wonderful table where we all sit around and have a few cocktails together and hammer out the solutions and then abide by those treaties and those solutions, what happens next?

02:44:43.000 Total chaos?

02:44:44.000 Total turmoil?

02:44:46.000 Total world war?

02:44:47.000 Is that the other side of it?

02:44:48.000 Is that the only other answer?

02:44:49.000 According to some of the Lebanese papers, the Israelis have in effect issued a 72 hour ultimatum to Damascus, to Syria, saying either you Syrians Bring Hezbollah to the point of surrendering, dissolving, laying down their arms, which is obviously absurd.

02:45:11.000 Or, we Israelis will attack Syria.

02:45:14.000 Now I think it's important, if people have any political ability at all, in terms of being in the peace movement, or being in a religious group, or something like this, obviously let's use the democratic apparatus that we still have, the free speech that we still have, We will not go into World War III as the tail on the Israeli kite.

02:45:35.000 The Israeli attacks on Lebanon have got to stop.

02:45:39.000 There's got to be an immediate ceasefire.

02:45:41.000 We're also concerned about our 25,000 fellow citizens, the 40,000 Canadians and untold others.

02:45:47.000 But for all of them, for everybody in Lebanon, the bombing has to end.

02:45:51.000 The U.S.

02:45:51.000 has got to threaten Israel with the immediate cessation of all payments of that $4 billion to $5 billion yearly allowance that they get paid for all of these weapons.

02:46:03.000 And people's congressmen, you know, we're in the middle of an election campaign right now, should hear about this.

02:46:09.000 And the people coming out, I saw George Allen, an unfortunate senator from Virginia who's fighting for his life against a very interesting challenger here in Virginia across the river.

02:46:21.000 He's on the straight Israeli line. 0.99

02:46:23.000 People like that should be voted Out of office, and of course the primary in Connecticut with Senator Lieberman, an extreme warmonger position on all of these things, would be another possibility.

02:46:37.000 So there are all kinds of elections where you can make your voice heard, go to candidates' forums, speak up.

02:46:42.000 Call in to radio talk shows, call in to C-SPAN and some of these others.

02:46:46.000 You know, that's a really good idea because the mainstream media has given us the illusion here that 99% of Americans are behind Israel and they can just do whatever they want. 0.74

02:46:55.000 And if they start hearing from you, and you have your facts straight, and you have an organized message, then I believe, you know, people will be able to at least gauge that not everyone is on board with whatever Israel wants to do.

02:47:09.000 The other big thing is 9-11 truth.

02:47:11.000 Ultimately, we have been lurching along the brink of the abyss here for about 24 months, according to my count.

02:47:18.000 In order to pull back from the abyss, we've got to have the neocons rolled up, the invisible government people rolled up, and the financiers behind them also rolled up.

02:47:26.000 And 9-11 is a great way to do that. 1.00

02:47:28.000 You know, you just kind of gave me a good segue, because I wanted to ask you on my show on Friday, we meant to put this on the Alex Jones Show, and they helped me book the interview With, uh, oh my god, you know this always happens to me, right?

02:47:41.000 Going right to a break, Daniel Ellsberg, anyway, is the name I was looking for.

02:47:45.000 So we had Daniel Ellsberg on our program, and I asked him about 9-11, and he said he's starting to lean towards 9-11 being an inside job, and what he said is, the sequel to 9-11, the next terrorist event here on our soil, will definitely, without a doubt, be our Reichstag.

02:48:00.000 That coming from Daniel Ellsberg, who brought down the Nixon administration with the Pentagon Papers, What do you think the weight is of someone like that coming out now and seemingly joining us with 9-11 Truth?

02:48:09.000 Well, Daniel Ellsberg would represent the left-liberal or radical-liberal community, and generally I have to say that this stratum as a group, if we look at Norm Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Michael Moore and so forth, these have been the worst enemies of 9-11 Truth.

02:48:26.000 Parroting the Bush Virgin, attacking anybody who challenged it. 0.83

02:48:29.000 If Ellsberg is breaking in the direction of 9-11 Truth, which I would love to see, But I'll believe it when I see it. 0.99

02:48:35.000 That would be a sea change.

02:48:37.000 I think so, and you probably should read my analysis coming out tonight on that, and you might be shocked at what he said.

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02:51:37.000 Final moments today on the Alice Jones program.

02:51:54.000 Again, Jack Blood sitting in for Alex most likely tomorrow as well.

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02:52:17.000 And we will be continuing a lot of this discussion.

02:52:19.000 I'm going to carry over Any callers into our program, so if you've been holding, you want to stay aboard, we'll get you on at least the first half hour of our program deadline live following this show.

02:52:30.000 Remaining moments with Webster Tarpley.

02:52:32.000 Webster, we had a tip in here at Infowars.com, and this was put in front of me by one of the producers.

02:52:37.000 They wanted me to ask you about the Aspen Institute.

02:52:40.000 They've been very active.

02:52:42.000 A number of senators, policymakers, congressmen, Madeleine Albright, these types, all working at the Aspen Institute, which, by the way, is where Ken Lay died.

02:52:51.000 What do you know about this organization and what might they be getting ready for?

02:52:54.000 This is a very nefarious think tank.

02:52:57.000 It's always on the wrong side of every issue.

02:53:00.000 It's up there with the Council on Foreign Relations, the American Enterprise Institute, and a number of others.

02:53:10.000 Brookings is bad enough in its own way, and that's the Aspen Institute, and they have all kinds of conferences.

02:53:18.000 You can look for them to be involved.

02:53:20.000 By looking at some of the people involved in the conference, it seems like a lot of medical people, the former Deputy Minister for USAID was involved in this, people heading superintendents of public schools.

02:53:32.000 It looks to me, I mean if I'm reading this right, it looks to me like they're getting ready for something.

02:53:37.000 You know Webster, we also noticed that the Funeral Directors Association here in Texas Talking about what they're going to do with all the dead bodies from the flu.

02:53:46.000 We've got the Red Cross saying that the mutation of the bird flu will be landing in Peoria, Illinois just before the election in November.

02:53:53.000 It seems to me that almost the powers that be might be getting ready to unleash a virus or have some information about a virus coming our way that are going to be killing Millions of people, and I don't want to scare people here, but I'm seeing all of this information starting to come together and a lot of lip service being paid to this and even now coming out of the Aspen Institute.

02:54:14.000 I would urge people to follow the website False Flag News.

02:54:18.000 Just Google False Flag News.

02:54:20.000 The site has been up, it has been down, it's been under cyber attack.

02:54:24.000 And False Flag News is the central clearinghouse for all news about drills, exercises, Weapons of mass destruction, atomic, biological, chemical warfare.

02:54:37.000 There's a tremendous number of them.

02:54:40.000 There's some going on in Maryland.

02:54:41.000 There are some going on at NASCAR sites in Tennessee.

02:54:46.000 I try to keep up with this, but if you go to False Flag News, you get a compendium of them.

02:54:51.000 And I just wanted to mention one other thing.

02:54:52.000 People in the Washington, D.C.

02:54:54.000 area, I'm giving a lecture on 9-11 in Tacoma Park City Hall, Sunday at 2 p.m.

02:55:01.000 Tacoma Park is a suburb of Washington, D.C., just outside the district line.

02:55:06.000 Tacoma Park Metro...

02:55:08.000 Walk to Tacoma Park City Hall, and I'll be there at 2 o'clock on Sunday.

02:55:12.000 2 o'clock Eastern Time on Sunday.

02:55:13.000 Is there more information about that at tarpley.net?

02:55:16.000 Well, go to dc911truth.org.

02:55:19.000 dc911truth.org.

02:55:21.000 When are you coming down here to Austin, Texas to give a speech?

02:55:24.000 Whenever I'm invited, I guess.

02:55:27.000 I'm sure you're going to have a lot of people show up to see you down here, and I'd like to pitch in if I can to make that possible.

02:55:34.000 What a great two hours it's been, Webster.

02:55:36.000 We've learned so much.

02:55:36.000 My head is still actually spinning from so many of the things you passed along to us today, but always great to have you on the Alex Jones Show.

02:55:44.000 Best of luck to you, and we'll talk to you again real soon, okay?

02:55:46.000 Thank you, Jack.

02:55:47.000 Thank you so much.

02:55:48.000 Folks, a lot of information.

02:55:49.000 Make of it what you can.

02:55:50.000 We'll be back in just about six minutes for Deadline Live, and I'll be back again tomorrow in this very chair, the big man's chair, the Alex Jones Show.

02:55:57.000 PrisonPlanet.com, InfoWars.com.

02:56:00.000 Now get out there and fight the New World Order! 0.74

Alex Jones Show - July 17, 2006

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