Alex Jones Show - 20060718_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:24.000 Live from Austin, Texas, deep behind enemy lines, you are listening to the Alex Jones Show GCN Radio Network.

00:00:32.000 It is the 18th day of July, 2006.

00:00:35.000 I am your narrator and radio gun, Jack Blood, filling in for Alex Jones today.

00:00:41.000 Alex will be back.

00:00:43.000 With renewed vigor, with white knuckles and the hair standing up on the back of his neck on tomorrow's broadcast.

00:00:49.000 I have been filling in for Alex here these last few days.

00:00:51.000 Thank you so much for tuning in today.

00:00:54.000 We have a very, very interesting show for you coming up in the second hour.

00:00:58.000 Yonatan Shapira was a captain in the Israeli Air Force Reserves.

00:01:04.000 He is also a military refuser.

00:01:07.000 Yonatan joined the ITF in 1991.

00:01:08.000 He graduated from the Israeli Air Force Flight Course in 1993.

00:01:13.000 He served as a regular in the Air Force until 1999.

00:01:17.000 And while a regular, Yonatan flew primarily as a rescue and assault helicopter pilot, completing well over 100 missions, including missions in Lebanon.

00:01:26.000 And in 2003, Yonatan Shapira, along with 26 others, signed a declaration refusing to participate in aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestine territories because of the belief that these attacks are illegal, immoral, and do not serve the security of Israel.

00:01:44.000 Jonathan Shapira, a refusenik, a military refuser, joining us in the second hour of today's show, the Alex Jones Show.

00:01:52.000 We have a lot of news to cover.

00:01:53.000 We're going to continue to cover news in the Middle East.

00:01:56.000 On yesterday's program, we talked very briefly, well, extensively, rather, with Webster Tarpley.

00:02:04.000 We did talk quite a bit about The 25,000 American citizens stuck right now in Lebanon and Beirut.

00:02:11.000 And what is going to be done with those people?

00:02:13.000 Well, yesterday, of course, that was most of the news.

00:02:16.000 In fact, a number of cable news networks did get through to several people still on the ground in Lebanon who are saying, Over the airwaves, that they are being attacked relentlessly, that the Israelis are bombing everything in sight, and there is no safe place to hide.

00:02:33.000 So there you go, folks.

00:02:35.000 Our president, our great country...

00:02:39.000 Not able to pull back the leash on Israel. 0.99

00:02:43.000 And I want to make something very clear as we run through this information today.

00:02:46.000 As we talk about Israel, we only talk about the upper echelons of the evil government of Israel. 0.95

00:02:53.000 Just like we talk about the upper echelons of the evil government of this country, or of the United Kingdom, or of France, or Germany, or Russia, or China.

00:03:02.000 What have you?

00:03:02.000 They are absolutely no different than the rest of us.

00:03:05.000 They have evil leadership who will seek to blow up the entire world if they are left absolutely unmolested.

00:03:13.000 So I want to make that very clear.

00:03:15.000 And I gotta tell you folks, I was very surprised yesterday as we were talking and hearing a lot of people up to speed on the powers that be, up to speed on the workings of the globalists and the New World Order.

00:03:27.000 Totally up to speed on 9-11, looking to defend Israel for some spiritual reason. 0.90

00:03:33.000 Look, folks!

00:03:35.000 What would Jesus do?

00:03:37.000 What would Buddha do?

00:03:39.000 Name your God!

00:03:40.000 What would Allah do?

00:03:42.000 Would Allah bomb innocent children in a war of aggression over a few kidnappings? 0.51

00:03:48.000 This has completely gotten out of hand and therefore I believe we need to talk about it.

00:03:52.000 We will be updating you throughout the program with various developments and we're going to be covering a lot of news.

00:03:57.000 It's just come out here that hospital staff have been charged with killing patients after Katrina.

00:04:04.000 The Attorney General holding a news conference I believe just today So we'll talk a little bit about that.

00:04:09.000 In fact, we covered this during Katrina where there were a number of hospitals and old folks homes where they simply just turned out the lights on the patients, sometimes leaving them there, sometimes even euthanizing them on the ground in order to stop any potential suffering they might feel as the floods moved in.

00:04:27.000 Well, there have been some charges involved with that and we'll go over that news today.

00:04:32.000 A new HP wireless chip connects the digital and real world.

00:04:35.000 Tiny chips that can be attached to objects from photos to prescription bottles.

00:04:40.000 And George Pataki signs a new state limit on video surveillance.

00:04:45.000 Of course this won't involve Homeland Security surveillance.

00:04:48.000 Just the surveillance you can provide at your own business.

00:04:51.000 Regulating your business.

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00:04:53.000 That's a great country.

00:04:55.000 We'll be right back after this folks.

00:04:56.000 Stay tuned.

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00:08:02.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 We're going to cover a lot of this news from the Middle East here.

00:08:34.000 And just to let you know, we have a couple of clips we wanted to put on the show today.

00:08:38.000 One, of course, James Woolsey calling for an attack on Syria on John Gibson's news program, that would be Fox News Network.

00:08:46.000 I'm looking for that right now.

00:08:47.000 Also, on Friday, right from this very studio, the InfoWars studio, I had an interview with Daniel Ellsberg.

00:08:54.000 He's the man that leaked the Pentagon Papers.

00:08:57.000 And really brought down the Nixon administration.

00:08:59.000 Worked for the Johnson administration.

00:09:01.000 Watched as the Gulf of Tonkin was used as a false flag operation in order as a pretext to go to war in Vietnam.

00:09:08.000 Talked very succinctly and very openly about 9-11 in our Friday interview.

00:09:14.000 We're going to try to play at least the 10 minutes of note during our program today.

00:09:20.000 I just want to make sure that people understand this, and the reason why is because a lot of the refusal to understand the truth about 9-11 comes from the left, and Daniel Ellsberg, a real leader and the real hero of the left, so if we can find a few examples like him...

00:09:38.000 Who have come out and talked openly about 9-11 and about the future of false flag terrorism and how it could be used by this Bush administration, then it might help you to convince some of your friends, family, co-workers, and people on the street who might be leaning a little more left.

00:09:52.000 Of course, what we try to do on this program, what we try to do on this network, is to smash these paradigms, these controlled WWF paradigms of left vs. right, red state vs. blue state, demopublicans vs. republicrats, And I think that that, if nothing else, should be a main goal for all of us, that we can understand exactly what we're up against.

00:10:16.000 Looking and going back to some of what we were talking about yesterday regarding these civilians who are currently being held, and let's just talk about it very openly here.

00:10:27.000 Let's just be very honest.

00:10:29.000 Let's just put our cards on the table.

00:10:31.000 The people being held currently, and are being held in Lebanon, against their will, trying to get out of the way of these bombs, very well could end up being a shield, and as Webster Tarpley talked about yesterday, could be a cataclysm for another false flag event, either by Israel or the United States, or various roaming intelligence services.

00:10:53.000 Of course, we remember Not too long ago we found SAS agents dressed as Iraqis loaded to bear with bombs and rocket-propelled grenades caught and then locked in an Iraqi jail and then later broken out in a massive military attack by the British military.

00:11:11.000 So these are what we call P2OG. 0.90

00:11:14.000 These are provocative counterintelligence events that of course move the agenda along for the neocons and their global controllers.

00:11:23.000 Just to give you a little bit of history We'll go back to World War II.

00:11:28.000 The U.S.

00:11:28.000 government carried out an eight-step plan to provoke Japan into attacking and killing Americans.

00:11:34.000 They knew in advance that Japan was going to attack.

00:11:37.000 Now, we've talked to a lot of people inside, and they have confirmed this for us, but I think now, even on the History Channel, this is a matter of record.

00:11:46.000 Army Board, 1944.

00:11:47.000 Everything the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States.

00:11:51.000 That's from the Army Board, back in 1944.

00:11:55.000 Flagrant absence of advanced intelligence?

00:11:57.000 On the contrary.

00:11:59.000 Numerous reports and warning signs all pointed towards the coming debacle and the sheer mass of transcribed radio intercepts bordering on overwhelming.

00:12:08.000 Of course, that does sound familiar.

00:12:11.000 Sounds a lot like 9-11.

00:12:13.000 Sounds a lot like the 7-7 bombings.

00:12:15.000 Sounds a lot like the 3-11 bombings in Madrid and even, dare I say, the 7-11 bombings in India recently.

00:12:23.000 Do Freedom of Information Act files prove FDR had foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?

00:12:28.000 Pearl Harbor it might have been avoided when pieced together with the benefit of hindsight.

00:12:33.000 We now see that there were many intelligence fragments that pointed to Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor, including massive intelligence, including radios that were catching shortwave radios and general radios that were catching the Japanese coming all throughout the West Coast, including a submarine in advance being sunk to the offensive.

00:12:58.000 All right, we don't need to build the case.

00:12:59.000 I think many of you are with me on this.

00:13:01.000 Roosevelt left Americans in the Philippines for good war propaganda knowing that they would be killed.

00:13:07.000 Now we're starting to see the correlations to what's going on currently in Lebanon.

00:13:11.000 U.S.

00:13:12.000 prisoners claim Roosevelt left them in the Philippines deliberately Hundreds of former U.S.

00:13:17.000 prisoners of war have begun a battle for compensation after uncovering documents that allegedly prove the wartime administration deliberately used them as a tool to whip up domestic support for war with Japan.

00:13:30.000 This has been going on for decades, if not centuries, if not millennia.

00:13:35.000 This is a standard in practice, which is why Of course, Webster Tarpley is using this past information, using history, to put together his analysis, which, at this point, it's hard to disagree with.

00:13:47.000 Now, I understand the logistical nightmare of trying to move 25,000 people out of a war area.

00:13:54.000 It's difficult, if not impossible, and that's why cruise ships and the USS Iwo Jima Helicopters, everything within the disposal of the United States apparently is being used, but it is very, very slow.

00:14:08.000 It's a very slow process, and even if a few hundred people are left and are killed by bombs, it can be used and will be used, you can count on it, as an excuse to begin further involvement into this new conflict in the Middle East. 0.95

00:14:23.000 Meanwhile, it appears George W. Bush is not doing a lot of talking about this issue.

00:14:29.000 Waiting for something, I don't know.

00:14:31.000 Waiting for a more provocative circle in which to enter.

00:14:37.000 That would be more evidence.

00:14:39.000 That would be doctored evidence, most likely, that Syria and Iran are heavily involved in the Hezbollah movement and are actually directing the strikes and the rocket attacks and everything else from their central command.

00:14:53.000 In Tehran.

00:14:55.000 Okay.

00:14:55.000 So once we uncover that document, once we're ready to go, still with our US citizens on the ground in Lebanon, in Beirut, what is to stop the killing?

00:15:07.000 Neocons have resurrected plans for regional war in the Middle East. 0.94

00:15:11.000 Here's a little more history for you.

00:15:13.000 In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wormser, all later senior officials in the Bush administration, had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah.

00:15:23.000 Invade Iraq. 0.99

00:15:24.000 Of course, after 9-11, that was completely possible. 1.00

00:15:28.000 They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for, quote, a clean break with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace.

00:15:41.000 The problem could be solved, quote, if Israel sees the strategic initiative along with the northern borders by engaging Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon.

00:15:52.000 Sound familiar?

00:15:54.000 The key, they said, was to, quote, focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right.

00:16:01.000 That's already done.

00:16:03.000 And as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. 0.65

00:16:07.000 They called for, quote, reestablishing the principle of preemption.

00:16:10.000 Again, we're long down this road.

00:16:13.000 They promised that the successes of these wars could be used to launch campaigns against Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, reshaping the strategic balance of the Middle East profoundly.

00:16:23.000 Are you listening, Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

00:16:26.000 Because we came upon this document almost immediately after 9-11.

00:16:32.000 And I've been talking about this really for years, that Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also targets.

00:16:37.000 Right now, our strategic allies soon to be targets.

00:16:42.000 I wonder if somebody in Saudi Arabia or Egypt might be monitoring this show.

00:16:47.000 Not that I want to cause any global geopolitical conflicts on my own, but they should be aware.

00:16:55.000 Now, with the U.S.

00:16:56.000 bogged down in Iraq, with Bush losing control of world events, and with the threats to national security growing worse, no one could possibly still believe this plan, could they?

00:17:07.000 Think again.

00:17:08.000 William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, is still pushing this radical version.

00:17:13.000 He now uses the excuse of Hezbollah's terrorist attacks in what he calls Iran's proxy war.

00:17:20.000 This is on the cover of the Weekly Standard.

00:17:23.000 Iran's proxy war.

00:17:26.000 Not the United States' proxy war, not the British or the United Kingdom's proxy war, not British Petroleum's proxy war, but Iran's proxy war.

00:17:36.000 To push the United States deeper into regional war against Iran and Syria.

00:17:42.000 Quote, this is William Crystal, we might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.

00:17:51.000 Why wait?

00:17:52.000 Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? 0.99

00:17:55.000 I'm raising my hand here in the studio.

00:17:59.000 That the current regime will negotiate in good faith.

00:18:02.000 It would be easier to act sooner rather than later.

00:18:05.000 Yes, there would be repercussions, and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.

00:18:12.000 In other words, he's warning us.

00:18:15.000 Yes, there will be repercussions.

00:18:18.000 Healthy ones.

00:18:19.000 Now, we can use a semantical dictionary to try to figure out exactly what he means by healthy, but I think that he was one of the people saying that they would throw flowers at our feet when we invaded Iraq.

00:18:33.000 So, if they were going to throw flowers at our feet while we invaded Iraq, and we were going to have healthy repercussions while invading Iran, you can only do the math and extrapolate exactly how bad this might be. 0.70

00:18:43.000 But, according to Bill Kristol, according to James Woolsey, according to Newt Gingrich, according to all of the screaming heads on Neocon Talk Radio, this must be done.

00:18:54.000 This must be done immediately.

00:18:55.000 We must take this opportunity now, while we have the window open.

00:19:01.000 Richard Perle, sometimes known as the Prince of Darkness, had already weighed in in a June 25th Washington Post editorial decrying Bush's ignomacious retreat on Iran.

00:19:12.000 He, too, wants war.

00:19:13.000 Newt Gingrich on Meet the Press this Sunday said that we were already in World War III and that the U.S.

00:19:19.000 needed to take direct action against North Korea and Iran.

00:19:21.000 In fact, he didn't just say that on Meet the Press, he's been saying it anywhere, anytime somebody will put him on the air.

00:19:28.000 I wonder if we can get Newt Gingrich on this show.

00:19:30.000 He seems very anxious to talk about World War III and action against North Korea and Iran.

00:19:35.000 Less well-known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio this weekend, beating the war drums.

00:19:41.000 We're going to continue with this, and by the way, I want to thank ThinkProgress.org for some of this editorial, doing some great work as well.

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00:24:10.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

00:24:14.000 I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.

00:24:19.000 And it burns, burns, burns, the ring of fire.

00:24:23.000 A little Johnny Cash song about napalm and phosphorous material being used throughout the Middle East.

00:24:29.000 Again, on civilians!

00:24:31.000 That's what we're talking about.

00:24:33.000 I am not And I don't think many of you would consider yourself pacifists.

00:24:37.000 I'm not a pacifist.

00:24:39.000 Though, I could be convinced, certainly, because it's hard to look back and find one war, one major conflict that wasn't started on a phony pretext.

00:24:50.000 As General Smedley Butler wrote an entire book about this, war is a racket.

00:24:55.000 Now, fine, if your military wants to blow up the other guy's military, and the other guy wants to blow up your military, and that's how you want to spend your money, I guess you can make an argument for that.

00:25:05.000 Not a very good one.

00:25:07.000 But the senseless killing of innocent civilians, or a lesser breed, a lesser class, because this is nothing less than a culture war going on in the Middle East, is absolutely inexcusable! 0.97

00:25:19.000 It's unacceptable!

00:25:22.000 I looked at some pictures today that were just mind-blowing and I put these up on my website.

00:25:28.000 Hopefully got them up at Infowars.com.

00:25:30.000 If you guys are listening you might want to check out these pictures because they literally have eight-year-old girls riding on the bombs leaving Israel that are going to be dropped on children across the border in Palestine and in Beirut!

00:25:46.000 Literally autographing the bombs!

00:25:50.000 Here's a special gift for you!

00:25:53.000 Boom! 0.99

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00:25:57.000 I mean, folks.

00:25:59.000 How far do we have to go before we can separate leftist pacifism to senseless killing?

00:26:07.000 I gotta tell you, we were talking about the neocons resurrecting plans for regional war in the Middle East and talking about how this whole plan started in 1996.

00:26:17.000 Yesterday, Webster Tarpley went over with us a secret meeting that had taken place in the American Enterprise Institute, where some of the key heads of both US and foreign powers got together and decided how they were going to try to move forward in this war in the Middle East, how they were going to go after Iran.

00:26:35.000 Talking about the Richard Perle article on June 25th.

00:26:40.000 Newt Gingrich, and that was in the Washington Post, saying, we gotta go to war.

00:26:46.000 Newt Gingrich saying we gotta go get North Korean Iran.

00:26:50.000 William Crystal, this is Iran's proxy war and the window is open.

00:26:54.000 We gotta go.

00:26:55.000 Why wait?

00:26:56.000 There's going to be healthy repercussions but it'll show that we're strong here in America because that is what they tried to paint this country with.

00:27:04.000 We're weak!

00:27:05.000 They even go so far as to criticize President Bush himself calling him weak for trying to at least put out the appearances of negotiating before the preemptive strikes happened.

00:27:20.000 Less well-known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio all this week beating the war drums.

00:27:25.000 Meanwhile, David Wormser is ensconced in Vice President Dick Cheney's office's neoconservative colleague Elliot Abrams, the convicted Iran contra felon who urged war with Iraq in 1998 in a letter to Bill Clinton, sits and directs Middle East policy on the National Security Council staff.

00:27:42.000 The neoconservatives are now hoping to use the Israeli-Lebanon conflict as a trigger to launch a U.S.

00:27:48.000 war against Syria, Iran, or both?

00:27:51.000 This is the backdoor, this is the way around.

00:27:54.000 As we've said, no one is going to stand for an attack on Iran.

00:27:59.000 Any of the military generals, anyone in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warning this administration and warning Congress about any potential strike on Iran, the military cannot withstand.

00:28:10.000 It can't happen.

00:28:12.000 It's not logistically even possible according to the experts.

00:28:16.000 But let's not let the facts get in the way here.

00:28:21.000 Because they found a way around it and once there's enough pressure that you have to go to Iran, you have to go to Syria, anyone who's not ably for the plan is unpatriotic and will be painted as such and lambasted in the media.

00:28:36.000 Okay?

00:28:37.000 These are profoundly dangerous policies.

00:28:40.000 They have to be exposed and stopped before any more harm comes to the United States national security than it already has.

00:28:49.000 If you think that terrorism is entirely phony, well wait until these people get done.

00:28:53.000 They're going to be real terrorists running around everywhere in a massive clash of civilizations.

00:29:01.000 And as Daniel Ellsberg said, the next strike will be our right without a doubt, and they will begin rounding up anybody that's Middle Eastern, anybody that supports anybody that could be Middle Eastern, and anybody that criticizes the Bush administration. 0.75

00:29:16.000 Full sedition acts will be put in place.

00:29:20.000 We will be rounded up into camps.

00:29:22.000 Thus, we see the beginning of the end of this once great country.

00:29:28.000 This once free and liberated country locked down in total sedition.

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00:33:57.000 I mentioned this quick interview that we did from the Infowar Studios.

00:34:01.000 This interview was technically ready to go for the Alex Jones Show.

00:34:04.000 We just ran out of time, so we carried it over onto my program.

00:34:07.000 But it was recorded here out of the Infowar studio with Daniel Ellsberg, who is a former military analyst employed by the Rand Corporation, who precipitated a national uproar in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of activities during Vietnam, to the New York Times.

00:34:23.000 And this released an awakening of the American people to how much they had been deceived by their own government about the war.

00:34:32.000 This literally took down the Nixon administration almost single-handedly, and he might be one of the greatest whistleblowers of all time.

00:34:39.000 Has been recently seen backing Cindy Sheehan and other anti-war efforts, but very, very intelligent man.

00:34:46.000 He's been around the block several times, and his resume would take so long to read, we'd run out of time.

00:34:52.000 Here is the pertinent clip.

00:34:53.000 It'll run here for about 10 minutes.

00:34:56.000 The interview that we did with Daniel Ellsberg talking about 9-11, our Reichstag here, and what is going to happen when and if we get hit again here on American soil.

00:35:06.000 Groundbreaking stuff.

00:35:07.000 First time Daniel Ellsberg ever opened up like this and he did it right here on InfoWars.

00:35:12.000 Folks, go ahead and roll that if you could. 0.93

00:35:14.000 I mean, look at the history of leaks.

00:35:16.000 Look where we're at now.

00:35:17.000 Everything's national security.

00:35:18.000 Nothing's allowed to be leaked.

00:35:20.000 Nothing's allowed to be printed.

00:35:21.000 The White House trying to control all of the news reports around the country.

00:35:25.000 What would happen today if somebody leaked something as big as you did back in 1971?

00:35:30.000 Actually, if somebody took the risk, the personal risk of putting out a lot of clearly authoritative Real documents, as I did at that time.

00:35:43.000 I think they would get printed.

00:35:45.000 For one thing, you could almost certainly get them out on the internet, even if no major newspapers were.

00:35:50.000 But I think actually we are seeing major leaks come out.

00:35:55.000 Unfortunately, not usually accompanied by documents, and they get discounted.

00:35:59.000 And some of them are way overdue.

00:36:01.000 That's also a good point.

00:36:02.000 I mean, what is the problem with people in this country today?

00:36:05.000 I mean, some things are being leaked as we saw this banking information, the invasion of privacy, the massive databasing and cataloging of all Americans, the loss of liberties.

00:36:16.000 Why do you think the people don't take this seriously today?

00:36:18.000 Would they have taken it more seriously in 71?

00:36:22.000 I don't know.

00:36:22.000 I'm very disturbed by the reaction that you described there.

00:36:27.000 I had to reflect, and it's not a happy reflection, that probably in any given time in any country, including this one, Most people don't care that much about liberties or rights or guarantees of freedom that much.

00:36:40.000 I think that goes back to the revolution.

00:36:43.000 One third of the people supported the revolution.

00:36:45.000 One third supported the empire, according to John Adams.

00:36:48.000 And another third were indifferent.

00:36:50.000 It's probably always true that there's a minority of people who are really concerned about that.

00:36:55.000 Unfortunately, at this very time, I don't see even a strong minority of people being very active in showing resistance and protest and outrage and really efforts to change this.

00:37:07.000 Is real effort being put on Congress to To investigate this, of course it's a Republican majority, and they're going to show a great deal of resistance to it.

00:37:17.000 But how much pressure are they actually getting?

00:37:19.000 And on the Democrats to press more for it?

00:37:22.000 I mean, it's as if after 9-11 especially, the country is acting like so many other countries, saying, We're in danger.

00:37:29.000 We need a strong man.

00:37:32.000 Let him free.

00:37:33.000 Don't put him under restraint.

00:37:35.000 And I'm afraid we're slipping in the direction of a police state without a lot of resistance, which is what happened in Germany. 0.66

00:37:43.000 I think the correlations are exactly precise.

00:37:46.000 You know, we talked kind of about the neocon doctrine in a way.

00:37:49.000 I'm sure you're well aware of the Project for a New American Century, and that they had said they had laid a lot of this out, the doctrine out, of how they were going to go fight multiple wars and multiple theaters, how they were going to expand the budget of the Pentagon by doing so.

00:38:02.000 But they also mentioned that this would take a really long time unless they had a new Pearl Harbor, and then magically we had 9-11.

00:38:10.000 Have you had a chance to look at a lot of this information coming from America's leading scholars, physicists, engineers, etc., who have taken a look now at 9-11, and are now not only questioning what might have happened on 9-11, but really being very direct, including a number of high-level

00:38:33.000 I have looked at a lot of that, and I'll tell you, without going into it all, which would take a lot of time, I find some of it very implausible and other parts of it quite solid.

00:38:44.000 There's no question in my mind that there's enough evidence there to justify a very comprehensive and hard-hitting investigation of a kind that we have not seen.

00:38:54.000 With subpoenas and general questioning of people and releasing a lot of documents, there's no question that Very serious questions have been raised about how much they knew beforehand and how much involvement there may have been.

00:39:11.000 Is an administration capable Humanly and psychologically, of engineering such a provocation?

00:39:19.000 Yes, I would say that.

00:39:21.000 I worked for such an administration myself.

00:39:25.000 President Johnson put destroyers in harm's way in the Tonkin Gulf, not only once but several times, with a lot of his people hoping that that would lead to a confrontation, and claiming that it had.

00:39:40.000 And could have resulted in the loss of many lives in the course of it.

00:39:44.000 What I'm saying now, by the way, though, is this, and here there is a very strong analogy.

00:39:49.000 To this day, there is a controversy, it's gone back and forth historically, as to who caused the Reichstag fire, the burning of their parliament, the Reichstag, on February 27th, 1933.

00:40:04.000 During at one point, the number two man in the Nazi regime said, I set that fire.

00:40:10.000 Later, he denied that at Nuremberg.

00:40:12.000 And I've noticed that the latest history suggests that it wasn't the Nazis.

00:40:18.000 The point is that there's All this time later, there's still a controversy about that.

00:40:22.000 But, what there's no controversy about is the use the Nazis made of it that very night and the next day.

00:40:28.000 Key Bono, who backed it?

00:40:30.000 On September 28th, there was a Reichstag fire decree that ended freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, all in the Weimar Constitution, and privacy of the postal system, and of communications, and of telephone.

00:40:46.000 And adhere to it more than we knew four years ago, right after 9-11.

00:40:50.000 If there's another 9-11 or a major war in the Middle East involving a U.S.

00:40:56.000 attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after, within days, the equivalent of a right-side fire decree. 0.96

00:41:04.000 It will involve massive detentions in this country, detention camps for Middle Easterners, And they're quote, sympathizers, critics of the President's policy, and essentially the wiping out of the Bill of Rights. 0.88

00:41:19.000 I know you're walking very carefully here, Daniel Ellsberg, but that's pretty strong medicine.

00:41:23.000 And I think, you know, we have a look at the history of the world.

00:41:26.000 Governments do this.

00:41:27.000 As you mentioned, governments are liars. 0.99

00:41:29.000 Governments are murderers. 0.98

00:41:30.000 This is not above them.

00:41:31.000 I'm sure you're familiar with the Northwoods document.

00:41:34.000 Yes, indeed.

00:41:35.000 Talking about a manufactured provocation which could have involved even a shooting down of an American or some other I would say, by the way, that Americans definitely play this game. 0.60

00:41:50.000 I'm sure that it's happening now.

00:41:52.000 I expected, by the way, Bush to manufacture a kind of Tonkin Gulf incident before he went into Iraq.

00:42:01.000 And then I just said, well, I've been wrong.

00:42:03.000 They didn't feel they needed that.

00:42:05.000 We'll go ahead and cut it there, folks.

00:42:07.000 That was Daniel Ellsberg, again from the Pentagon Papers.

00:42:10.000 He leaked a large number of classified papers regarding the execution of the war.

00:42:16.000 These documents later became collectively known as the Pentagon Papers.

00:42:19.000 They revealed the knowledge early on that the war would not likely be won and that continuing the war would lead to many times more casualties than it was admitted publicly.

00:42:28.000 Of course, the papers also showed a deep cynicism toward the public and a disregard for the loss of life and injuries suffered by soldiers and civilians.

00:42:37.000 Now, what did he say there?

00:42:39.000 He said that he's surprised there wasn't a Gulf of Tonkin incident prior to the war on Iraq.

00:42:42.000 But we know that's exactly what 9-11 was, was our Gulf of Tonkin incident.

00:42:44.000 You can call it our Reichstag.

00:42:45.000 he puts this but he's saying you know he was surprised there wasn't a Gulf of Tonkin incident prior to the war on Iraq but we know that's exactly what 9/11 was was our Gulf of Tonkin incident you can call it our Reichstag but what Daniel Oldsburg is saying he said first of all he agrees that there are there is some great information out there that would certainly need to lead to a new investigation subpoenas and really more questioning related to number to 9/11 no

00:43:13.000 No question that there's very serious questions have been raised.

00:43:18.000 Is the administration capable of humanly and psychologically of engineering such a provocation?

00:43:24.000 He says, yes, emphatically.

00:43:26.000 They are capable, and as we know, they did.

00:43:29.000 He goes on to say how he worked for the Johnson Administration and how they put destroyers in harm's way in the Gulf of Tonkin.

00:43:36.000 Many, many times, which could have caused a major loss of life.

00:43:40.000 But this led, of course, to the confrontation.

00:43:43.000 And then he goes on to say again that the next time we get attacked, which he says no doubt will come right after the attack in Iran, that we will no doubt the next day have our own Reichstag fire here, where

00:43:59.000 It'll be the equivalent of a Reichstag fire, will create massive detentions in this country, detentions of camps for Middle Easterners and their sympathizers, critics of the President's policy, and essentially the wiping out of the Bill of Rights.

00:44:16.000 So again, very strong medicine, as I put it in the interview from Daniel Ellsberg.

00:44:20.000 And we're now beginning to see, if you want to consider Daniel Ellsberg a leftist, and I believe that's what Whipster Tarp we alluded to yesterday.

00:44:28.000 He is aligned with anti-war groups who have generally been very closed-minded to some of the issues of 9-11.

00:44:35.000 Then take a look at Daniel Ellsberg who now appears to be breaking out of the pack.

00:44:40.000 But that's what Daniel Ellsberg has always done.

00:44:42.000 Breaking out of the pack.

00:44:44.000 Leading the way.

00:44:45.000 And now we need to get it through to some of these other anti-war protesters out there that 9-11 is the cataclysm.

00:44:52.000 That's how we went to war.

00:44:54.000 We've seen the FOIA requests being fulfilled to get the notes from Donald Rumsfeld on the ground, on the pentagon lawn.

00:45:05.000 On 9-11, and what was he doing while he was supposedly saving bodies even though the entire country was under attack?

00:45:10.000 He was out saving people.

00:45:12.000 But what was he really doing?

00:45:14.000 He was transcribing a note to his aide to go right to General Myers to find a way to blame this immediately on Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein so that we can go have these wars.

00:45:25.000 And of course, what happened?

00:45:27.000 The next day, literally, a month later, we were on the way, rolling into Afghanistan.

00:45:32.000 The next year, we were on the way, rolling through, on the ground, through Baghdad.

00:45:37.000 But no, that wasn't enough!

00:45:38.000 Because we have to get Syria, we have to get Iran, and as I say, if you're listening, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, we gotta get you too! 0.97

00:45:46.000 So while we talked about this yesterday on my program, while Saudi Arabia and Osama Bin Laden seem to have almost identical aims to the President, and we might go ahead and say that they're being used by the neocons, by the Western global controllers, To set through their own oil empire.

00:46:05.000 This is why, again, they're out against Iran. 0.89

00:46:07.000 The United States is doing the exact same thing.

00:46:09.000 And then, what happens?

00:46:11.000 I mean, is this the enormous penalty, the enormous price that has to be paid to go into Iran that somebody like William Kristol is talking about?

00:46:20.000 The enormous sacrifice that we must make in order to take advantage now of the opportunity to take out Iran and Syria and any of the other dominoes that need to fall? 1.00

00:46:31.000 Is that what it's going to be?

00:46:32.000 What Daniel Ellsberg was talking about?

00:46:35.000 Camps set up for dissidents?

00:46:36.000 Camps set up for all Middle Easterners? 1.00

00:46:39.000 Much like World War II, when we locked up every Japanese American in the entire United States, and any sympathizers who might be involved in that provocation, that World War, that preemptive strike, our first Pearl Harbor? 0.61

00:46:54.000 That's exactly what is being said.

00:46:57.000 If you read even just a little bit between the lines, if you just kind of move the lines slightly apart and take a look deep inside that rabbit hole, that's exactly what you're going to see.

00:47:07.000 The end of the Bill of Rights.

00:47:09.000 The end of sovereignty.

00:47:10.000 The end of freedom.

00:47:14.000 The end of this country.

00:47:17.000 And I'm not kidding around here, folks.

00:47:18.000 When we see, every time we get out and we see one of these neocons, whether it be Bill O'Reilly or Sean Vanity, sorry, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Vanity, Lush Limpa, Laura Ingrate, Michael Weiner-Savage, no matter who it is, whenever we see these people get out on radio airwaves that go around the world that reach hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of stations and millions and millions of people calling for the head of Iran, this is what they mean!

00:47:45.000 This is exactly what they mean.

00:47:47.000 Another Reichstag here in the United States. 0.81

00:47:49.000 The locking up of dissidents in camps.

00:47:51.000 The locking up of all Middle Easterners in camps.

00:47:53.000 Anyone who might be a sympathizer.

00:47:55.000 Anyone who might disagree with this Bush administration.

00:47:58.000 And, by the way, the next administration.

00:48:03.000 And the administration after that.

00:48:05.000 Which, no doubt, will be Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush.

00:48:09.000 Poppy Bush.

00:48:11.000 Who had a very heavy hand in what happened in Vietnam, who had a very heavy hand in what was going on with the Northwoods document.

00:48:19.000 In fact, we could probably make a connection that he was involved in putting together something like the Northwoods document.

00:48:26.000 We know he was involved in the Bay of Pigs.

00:48:28.000 We know that he was likely involved in the Kennedy assassination, both of them.

00:48:32.000 In fact, all three of them, if you count John F. Kennedy Jr.

00:48:37.000 His fingerprints, the fingerprints of Poppy Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, are on just about everything we see today.

00:48:44.000 And who is he working for?

00:48:45.000 He was a Rockefeller Republican, skull and bones man, German occultist, order of death.

00:48:53.000 And that's exactly what is going to happen.

00:48:55.000 Death and loss of sovereignty, without a doubt.

00:48:58.000 I think it was very brave of Daniel Ellsberg to come out here and I want to thank InfoWars for making that all happen.

00:49:06.000 I mean, folks, this should be getting out to everybody, out to every anti-war person, period.

00:49:11.000 And we're working on several articles in order to help make that happen.

00:49:16.000 But again, looking at history, this is what we've been talking about this first hour, quite simply, very plainly, looking at history, whether it be Vietnam, whether it be World War I or World War II, Whether it be the first war in Iraq, or the second war in Iraq, or the war in Kosovo, or the war in Afghanistan, or the current war with Israel and Lebanon, and potentially Syria and Iran, we see these fingerprints.

00:49:40.000 We see this master plan, this great work as they call it, which ends in Fabian Socialism, a locked down, command and control, top of the pyramid controlling the bottom of the pyramid, new world order.

00:49:54.000 One world government.

00:49:56.000 It's absolutely unbelievable that people aren't seeing this yet.

00:50:01.000 I mean, what more do we have to do?

00:50:02.000 How many years do we have to be ahead of the curve and be proven right again and again and again and again while these neocons are proven wrong over and over and over and over before people get it?

00:50:13.000 That if we simply look at the intelligence, we simply look at history, we add 1 plus 1 and it equals 2, doesn't equal 13.

00:50:21.000 Doesn't equal 33.

00:50:22.000 1 plus 1 equals 2.

00:50:27.000 So how long do we have to scream into these microphones?

00:50:30.000 How long do we have to get up on top of the giant pyramid or owl buildings and make these statements that are all coming true before people realize that they're centralizing everything and they're going to use war and death to do it?

00:50:45.000 I'm very sorry about ranting.

00:50:47.000 I'll come right back.

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00:54:39.000 Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones today.

00:54:41.000 Big interview coming up with an Israeli refuser, a military refuser of flu, choppers, rescue missions, also was in a Blackhawk squadron there.

00:54:54.000 His name's Yonatan Shapiro.

00:54:57.000 He'll be joining us here in just about 10 minutes on the program today.

00:55:01.000 Just quickly, we just played that interview by Daniel Ellsberg, and he went on to say, after that, I didn't want to play the whole thing, I didn't think we had time, but he did go on to say that some of our leading Democrats are some of the biggest hawks we have in our government.

00:55:15.000 So let's not forget that.

00:55:17.000 While we're out there going, anybody but Bush, anybody but a Republican, let's remember who's going to fill those shoes.

00:55:26.000 I have this image seared in my mind.

00:55:30.000 With John Kerry coming up for the 2004 Coronation Ceremony in Boston at the Fleet Center in 2004 as he was receiving his nomination to run in the Skull and Bones Presidency.

00:55:43.000 Saluting the audience, saying reporting for duty and making a speech about how tough he was going to be on Iraq.

00:55:49.000 Now of course he's since flip-flopped.

00:55:51.000 He's done some flip-flopping.

00:55:54.000 It really tells us, and Ellsberg went on to talk about Biden, he went on to talk about Hillary Clinton, and all of those out there who might just jump right on the bandwagon for war.

00:56:05.000 And how many of these people are being paid off by lobbying groups, Israeli lobbying groups like AIPAC?

00:56:11.000 They can't do anything, including the wonderful Russ Feingold!

00:56:17.000 Can't say anything, can't do anything, and in fact, people like Hillary Clinton actually going to meetings looking out a strike against Iran.

00:56:25.000 She wants to be tough.

00:56:27.000 She's a woman. 0.82

00:56:28.000 She's in the position where she's really got to prove her mettle now, and they're putting a lot of pressure on Ms.

00:56:34.000 Clinton, Schillary as I like to call her, in order to do so. 0.99

00:56:38.000 To prove her mettle now in order to get that nomination. 0.93

00:56:42.000 So she is just as out front as, in fact, maybe even more out front. 0.93

00:56:46.000 Than President Bush and some of his administration members.

00:56:50.000 Certainly not the neocons.

00:56:52.000 Quickly, we have gone over a lot of history in the first hour of today's broadcast.

00:56:58.000 And most of the history, in fact, I'm sure all of the history we've gone over, including Pearl Harbor, including the history of Iran, probably not anything more important to understand in this day and age, what is the history of Iran and how we managed to control every event there for the last 60 years.

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00:59:35.000 Our next guest is Yonatan Shapira.

00:59:37.000 He's 32.

00:59:38.000 He's a captain in the Israeli Air Force Reserves.

00:59:41.000 Yonatan is also a military refuser.

00:59:44.000 Yonatan Shapira joined the IDF in 1991.

00:59:46.000 He graduated from the Israeli Air Force Flight Course in 1993.

00:59:50.000 He served as a regular in the Air Force until 1999.

00:59:54.000 While a regular, Yonatan flew primarily as a rescue and assault helicopter pilot, completing well over 100 missions, including missions in Lebanon.

01:00:02.000 In 2001, while a civilian pilot and a member of the Reserves, Yonatan was called back to service to become one of the founding members of the Israeli Air Force's new Black Hawk Squadron, for which he received specialized training in Alabama.

01:00:16.000 Following initiations to the squadron, Yonatan resumed his status in the reserves.

01:00:21.000 As a reservist, he served as a pilot, operations leader, and an instructor.

01:00:25.000 In October 2003, Yonatan Shapira, along with 26 others, signed a declaration refusing to participate in aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestinian territories because of the belief that these attacks are illegal.

01:00:38.000 immoral and do not serve the security of Israel.

01:00:40.000 Following this act, Yonatan was dismissed from service by the Israeli Air Force commander, General Dan Halutz.

01:00:46.000 He joins us now.

01:00:49.000 Yonatan Shapira, thank you so much for joining us.

01:00:51.000 Where are we talking to you from?

01:00:53.000 Where are you located?

01:00:53.000 Now I'm in New York, and next week I'm back in Israel, Palestine.

01:00:58.000 We have a couple of minutes in this segment, Yonatan, and I'd like to kind of have you repeat in your own words kind of your history, your story, what happened to you as you were a member of the Israeli Air Force.

01:01:12.000 Yes.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, to say, to cut it in a short version, I was, in 2003, finally completely awakened from the fake belief that my country was pursuing peace and doing everything to defend us.

01:01:35.000 What was the last straw that broke the camelback was the assassination policy that was led by the former Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon.

01:01:46.000 The assassination policy was using the Air Force, F-16, Apaches, and all kinds of aircraft and helicopters to assassinate suspects in the Palestinian territories.

01:01:59.000 We saw that as a result of this policy, many innocent people died, not just Palestinian innocent, but also Israeli innocent.

01:02:07.000 And we felt that we are just part of this circle of mutual revenge.

01:02:12.000 And we refused to be these tools for this corrupt government that lost every kind of leadership and sanity.

01:02:24.000 Since then, we initiated this group.

01:02:28.000 I wrote this letter that declared our refusal to participate in those illegal and immoral missions.

01:02:34.000 And many pilots joined me from attack helicopter squadrons, from rescue helicopter squadrons, from fighter pilot squadrons.

01:02:46.000 And we, in some way, were able to shake the Israeli society for a moment.

01:02:54.000 But these kind of things maybe can work for a few minutes, few days, few months.

01:03:00.000 And then everything is going back to its original situation.

01:03:05.000 Now the situation is even worse.

01:03:07.000 You say in 2003, I like the term you use, an awakening, finding out that a lot of the beliefs were phony, they were fake, that Israel was just protecting itself, that they were actually becoming an aggressor and using the...

01:03:22.000 Bombing innocent civilians in order to do that.

01:03:24.000 When we come back, I want to kind of talk a little bit more about that.

01:03:27.000 I want to find out what else you might have found out after you woke up.

01:03:30.000 I want to talk a little bit about your training and what's going through the minds of the pilots today as they're bombing Beirut and Lebanon and potentially Syria.

01:03:38.000 Yonatan Shapira with us, folks.

01:03:40.000 We'll be right back.

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01:06:57.000 We are with Yonatan Shapira, captain of Israeli Air Force Reserves.

01:07:06.000 He's also a military refuser.

01:07:08.000 Yonatan, along with 26 others in 2003, made a bold statement throughout Israel, signing a declaration refusing to participate in more aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestinian terrorists because of the belief, again, that these attacks were illegal and immoral and did not serve the ultimate security that these attacks were illegal and immoral and did not serve the In fact, many can make the case That is, it endangered Israel and endangered the rest of us because of this blatant aggression.

01:07:35.000 Yonatan, I want to thank you very much for being on the program with us today.

01:07:38.000 In the last segment, you talked about briefly how you really became awake in 2003 and began to understand exactly what was being sold to you as being primarily propaganda.

01:07:49.000 What else did you learn?

01:07:50.000 Did you learn more information about Sharon?

01:07:53.000 Did you learn that Shin Bet, for instance, and forces within the Israeli government had funded Hamas to begin with?

01:07:59.000 Were you privileged to get some of that information?

01:08:01.000 All this information you don't get in the school, not in the United States, not in Israel, and not in other places, and of course not in the army.

01:08:11.000 Once you start to be an activist and once you open your eyes to one of the problems, you get to know a lot of other things in the United States.

01:08:19.000 If you just want to see, if you just want to learn the reality, everything is out there waiting for you. 0.97

01:08:26.000 Just like the United States sponsored the Taliban, Israel sponsored Hamas, from all the other stupid interests that those countries are, you know, being led by. 0.79

01:08:37.000 So, I want to say a few words about, you know, why Why, I think that it's not just my moral decision. 0.90

01:08:50.000 It's everything that we are doing.

01:08:52.000 Even if we are not pilots, even if we are not soldiers in any army, or policemen, or whatever.

01:08:58.000 Everything that we do, we are connected to some kind of system.

01:09:03.000 And once you are part of a system, you have to take responsibility.

01:09:07.000 So, although I was not flying machine guns, I was flying Blackhawk, I didn't shoot anyone myself, but I was part of a system, part of a system that commit crimes, that occupied millions of people for more than 39 years, and caused so many killing and death to so many innocents. 0.88

01:09:28.000 So, my message to people that listening now to us, Is that each one of you have to take responsibility, must take responsibility.

01:09:38.000 You don't have to be a pilot, you don't have to be a soldier to refuse.

01:09:42.000 And that could go out to most of our military.

01:09:44.000 You know, we have a lot of military people that listen to our program.

01:09:47.000 We've had high-ranking generals on our programs talking about how we're creating terrorists faster than we can kill them, how the chain of command is responsible for the torture of Iraqis in Iraq, etc., etc.

01:10:00.000 So we're seeing a lot of people in our own military, Yonatan, come out and do what is, I believe, morally right.

01:10:08.000 It is a moral decision, but here in our country, we're sworn to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, to protect our country.

01:10:16.000 And when we see that the military has gone awry and does things that endangers the country, we have the obligation to speak up.

01:10:23.000 Do you believe that?

01:10:23.000 Yeah, and we are trying to do these kind of things.

01:10:28.000 not just in Israel, not just in Palestine, but also around the world.

01:10:31.000 We are doing lecture tours and meeting with youngsters, with old people, with Jewish, with Arabs, with every kind, everyone who can listen to us.

01:10:43.000 We will come and tell him this fact, because, you know, these kind of wars will not last forever in this low scale.

01:10:55.000 Everything can escalate very fast.

01:10:57.000 And it's our job and it's our obligation to fight against this, to struggle against it.

01:11:03.000 And for that reason, we established the organization.

01:11:06.000 Maybe if I have one minute, I can tell you about that.

01:11:09.000 The organization name is Combatants for Peace.

01:11:12.000 In Hebrew, it's Lochamim L'Shalom.

01:11:14.000 In Arabic, it's Muqatalun Min Ajwar El Salam.

01:11:18.000 And the idea is that former combatants from the Israeli army and from Fatah, and other militias in the Palestinian side understood that with violence we will not win.

01:11:32.000 With violence means we will not get anything to our own people.

01:11:37.000 And we decided to cooperate together and for about a year and a half we are meeting in Israel and Palestine and discussing our own decision and how we are going to create this change within our societies.

01:11:50.000 And in October, in two months from now, we're going to have a tour in the east and west coast of the United States in campuses by Palestinian and Israeli refusers that will share their Experience and their opinions about the situation and if we can be friends and if we can talk to each other I think everyone can talk to each other.

01:12:15.000 This is so important that you guys and by the way your website is combatantsforpeace.org if people want to jump on your bandwagon and find a way to support you and support this effort.

01:12:25.000 I think it's extremely important that you guys are linked arms with Palestinian refusers as well.

01:12:31.000 So here we have some of the first people coming out refusing to fight each other in these really what are manufactured wars.

01:12:39.000 That is so extremely important.

01:12:42.000 We see a lot of leftists in Israel now opposing the war.

01:12:45.000 At least that's what they're called because here in our country I am a paleo-conservative.

01:12:49.000 I'd like you to know, Yonatan, so I am basically an old-school conservative and I'm against the war.

01:12:55.000 So you see, not everybody is a leftist or a liberal who is against the war.

01:12:59.000 What type of names have you been called?

01:13:02.000 How do they malign your group in Israel?

01:13:06.000 You know, when I give lectures, when I talk in the media in Israel, in Europe, in the United States, Sometimes, you know, people call me names because, you know, people think that I betrayed my country or stupid things like that, although I feel that they did just the opposite.

01:13:24.000 But when we stand in front of people from all those kind of groups and backgrounds, and we represent the non-insane representative of those people, people who used violence And we're in the military, in militias, and now suggest this better solution for our problem.

01:13:50.000 People become speechless.

01:13:52.000 They can't say anything.

01:13:54.000 Because here we are standing, Palestinian with Israelis, saying that with violence we will not save and will not solve any of these problems. 0.62

01:14:04.000 You're not attacked in the media in Israel or even attacked in the media here in the United States or anywhere else around the world, as you said, being a betrayer of your country or refusing to fight, maybe somehow being a coward.

01:14:17.000 I mean, these are the things we see happen to our veterans here in the United States.

01:14:22.000 Okay. 0.99

01:14:23.000 I don't have a problem with someone calling me a coward when I know that The courage that it deserves, you know, it demands from a pilot to say, no, no more, I will not participate in this shit anymore. 0.99

01:14:38.000 It's much more than, you know, the courage that you have to fly a low-level flight at night into Lebanon and wait for someone to shoot at you. 0.93

01:14:47.000 It's much different and from my experience I can tell you that they deserve much more courage.

01:14:52.000 I have to remind you we're on American radio here where there are certain FCC rules, so we've got to tone you down just a little bit there, Yonatan, and have a language, okay?

01:15:02.000 Are you looking, that's okay, are you seeing now, I mean it's gotta just drive you crazy to see what the cable news networks are reporting, what the neocon talking heads on the radio are reporting, calling for strikes on Syria and Iran.

01:15:20.000 In fact, let me play this clip very briefly.

01:15:23.000 James Woolsey, our former CIA director here in the United States, on John Gibson's show on Fox News, calling for an attack on Syria.

01:15:30.000 Go ahead John and roll that quickly.

01:15:32.000 Are you convinced this is Iran and Syria?

01:15:35.000 Well certainly, I think Iran is the puppet master and Syria and Hezbollah and Hamas to varying degrees are the puppets. 0.79

01:15:44.000 This is really about Iran versus the U.S. 0.95

01:15:47.000 and Israel is in the way.

01:15:50.000 Are you saying that we should be hitting Syria?

01:15:53.000 We should be hitting the airport? 0.74

01:15:55.000 We should be hitting Bashar Assad's office?

01:15:58.000 Yes, the last thing we ought to do now.

01:16:00.000 You mean we in the United States, not Israel?

01:16:02.000 Yes.

01:16:03.000 I think the last thing we ought to do now is to start talking about ceasefires and the rest.

01:16:09.000 Iran has drawn a line in the sand. 0.74

01:16:11.000 They've sent Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel.

01:16:15.000 They're pushing their nuclear weapons program.

01:16:17.000 They're helping North Korea, working with them on a ballistic missile program. 0.76

01:16:21.000 They're doing their best to take over southern Iraq with Muqtada al-Sadr and some of their other proxies.

01:16:26.000 This is a very serious challenge from Iran and we need to weaken them badly and undermining the Syrian government with airstrikes would help weaken them. 1.00

01:16:37.000 If undermining Syria, if taking Syria down a peg or two by actually hitting them with airstrikes would be effective, why not hit something in Iran? 0.90

01:16:46.000 Well, you know, one has to take things to some degree by steps.

01:16:51.000 I think it would be a huge blow to Iran if the Israelis are able, after a few more days' effort, to badly damage Hezbollah in Hamas, as they are doing, and if we were able to help undermine the continuation of the Assad regime. 0.62

01:17:10.000 Okay, and that's just, Yonatan, just one small example of what we're seeing in the mainstream media here in the United States.

01:17:16.000 James Woolsey, former CIA director, says it's really about Iran versus the United States.

01:17:22.000 No ceasefires or arrests.

01:17:23.000 He wants airstrikes on Syria immediately.

01:17:27.000 He's also, this particular gentleman has also said that we've been in World War IV since 2003.

01:17:32.000 Part of this group, Americans for Victory Over Terrorism.

01:17:35.000 What is your response to something like that?

01:17:36.000 Let's not forget that according to CIA former members, the CIA is responsible for between 12 to 15 million people who died in the last 60 years.

01:17:53.000 Because of wars that the CIA... 12 to 15 million people you've assessed have died through the CIA actions over the last 50, 60 years.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, it's not me saying it, it's members, former members from the CIA that sat in the...

01:18:09.000 a few years ago and calculate these numbers.

01:18:12.000 So let's not forget this fact.

01:18:14.000 What is the part...

01:18:15.000 Yeah.

01:18:16.000 And another thing that is important to remember about Neocons, for example, is that war is not something that they are against.

01:18:22.000 You know, war is part of these crazy guys' agenda of the Armageddon and all this crazy stuff.

01:18:28.000 They want to bring, you know, all Jews to Israel and then covenant them. 0.99

01:18:31.000 And these guys are now very, very close to your leaders.

01:18:36.000 Right.

01:18:36.000 Let's continue with this when we come back.

01:18:38.000 Yonatan Shapira with us, combatsforpeace.org.

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01:23:05.000 The captain of the Israeli Air Force Reserves refused to continue to go on with the violence now living here in the United States and has put together an organization along with a lot of other very good people, including Palestinian refusers. 0.94

01:23:19.000 CombatForPeace.org.

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01:23:27.000 Yonatan Shapira, if we could spend a little bit of time talking about how you got involved in military service with the Israeli Air Force.

01:23:36.000 I know you entered into the military at 17 years old and got your flight training finished with by 19.

01:23:42.000 Can you talk about the process of how people get into the military in Israel?

01:23:47.000 It's not exactly details.

01:23:49.000 First, our website is combatantsforpeace.org And about my service, just like every other Israeli young boy who finish high school, I went to the military, I was 18, 19 years old, and the pilot course take two years.

01:24:12.000 And once you finish this course, if you finish the course, you have to sign for five more years.

01:24:20.000 And as we know it's precursory to go into the military in Israel.

01:24:23.000 What happens if people are conscientious objectors or they refuse to fight?

01:24:29.000 So now we have more and more conscious objectors.

01:24:33.000 When I was enlisting to the military I was not aware of this fact.

01:24:39.000 I was very very Zionist.

01:24:42.000 I was very sure about my The country is doing the right thing, trying to get, you know, to bring us peace and all this kind of fake lies that I happen to know later.

01:24:56.000 But nowadays we have thousands of Israelis who do not believe these kind of lies.

01:25:03.000 And we have conscious objectors, youngsters who finish high school and go to serve in prison instead of serving in the army.

01:25:10.000 Some of them were a year, some of them were two, some of them just a few months.

01:25:15.000 And many of them just find a way out from the army.

01:25:19.000 What type of treatment would they receive in prison, getting two, three, four years in prison?

01:25:24.000 No, no, not so many years.

01:25:26.000 The condition of conscious objectors in Israel is much, much better than the condition of these people here in the United States.

01:25:34.000 Let's not forget that, I believe that you are from Texas?

01:25:38.000 Well, I'm living in Texas, yeah.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, Texas still has death penalties, if I'm not wrong.

01:25:43.000 For people who are refusing, they don't use it, but people can spend much more time in prison.

01:25:51.000 In Israel, the longest term was one year during the trial, during the court system stuff, and then another year in jail.

01:26:02.000 Most of these guys are serving a short period of time and then coming in and out again and again because the army, you know, Let's do them each time they out again.

01:26:15.000 If you can permit me to say something to our Jewish community audience.

01:26:21.000 Yes, please.

01:26:22.000 It's very important for me. 0.82

01:26:23.000 I think that, you know, maybe some people listen to me and think that, OK, he is a radical, crazy Israeli, you know, he's frustrated or something like that. 0.95

01:26:32.000 And I want to tell these people that, you know, for many years I risked my life in flying in Lebanon, in the territories.

01:26:40.000 I rescued many people, many soldiers, many civilians.

01:26:43.000 I was working with terror victims in the Israeli side.

01:26:47.000 I know from very, very close distance this horrible situation also for the Israelis.

01:26:54.000 And that's why I'm talking out, I'm doing everything out of love to my country, out of my great connection to my Jewish tradition, to my people, and to my great desire to live in peace in my country.

01:27:09.000 And if these people who now listen to us, that connected somehow to Israel, by being Jewish, by being, you know, just Americans who care about what's going on there, if you do care, you must be against my government. 0.72

01:27:23.000 This government is doing everything now that will unfortunately be concluded by the destruction of my country.

01:27:32.000 And I want to live in Israel. 0.98

01:27:34.000 I want to raise my family in Israel.

01:27:36.000 I want to have babies in Israel.

01:27:38.000 And I want to work in Israel.

01:27:39.000 But the thing that I'm going now on, if we won't stop it by external pressure, I don't see a future for my country.

01:27:49.000 And this is the most disturbing thing for me now.

01:27:53.000 Well, and we often say the same thing here in our country.

01:27:55.000 We want to make sure that people understand that we're not bringing out this information because we're against the people of Israel, or that we're anti-American.

01:28:03.000 We put that disclaimer out as well, Yonatan, and I'm glad you were able to do that.

01:28:07.000 And, you know, we want you to get your message out here, but it's very rare that we have a chance to talk to somebody like yourself.

01:28:13.000 When we come back, if you could stay with us, I want to talk about what's going through the minds of the kids fighting now as they're bombing again Lebanon and potentially even Syria.

01:28:24.000 Stay with us, Yonatan Shapiro.

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01:32:04.000 Combatantsforpeace.org is the website and the group of freedom-loving citizens of this world, both Palestinians and Israelis, joining together about to launch a national tour here in the United States to get the message of peace out to the people so that we don't think that every Israeli or every Palestinian is bent on death and destruction.

01:32:28.000 Yonatan, thanks again for joining us.

01:32:30.000 One quick question about your military training and then I want to talk about some current events and then we're going to take some calls here and hear from our listeners.

01:32:37.000 You trained, you received specialized training in Alabama here in the United States for this work you did with the new Blackhawk squadron.

01:32:44.000 Was that specific to just this Blackhawk squadron in a technical capacity or is this just the way all Air Force are trained here in America?

01:32:53.000 No sir, we were just foundation team of this squadron and they sent us to this army base in Fort Rucker, Alabama, to start studying this machine, not more than that.

01:33:08.000 So this isn't standard practice that much of the Air Force and the military in Israel are trained here in the United States?

01:33:16.000 Not much of, but sometimes.

01:33:19.000 Let's talk about current events.

01:33:21.000 The recent conflict, of course there was indiscriminate bombing going on for weeks in Palestine, which I think some people have already forgotten, but the recent conflict in Lebanon was technically started by a kidnapped soldier, as was the debacle in Palestine as well.

01:33:39.000 Give me your feelings on this.

01:33:41.000 Are a lot of soldiers kidnapped?

01:33:43.000 How many are lost in these conflicts?

01:33:46.000 Ordinary?

01:33:47.000 In other words, is this something that's routine when somebody gets kidnapped for bombings to begin?

01:33:52.000 I mean, give us some perspective on that.

01:33:54.000 Yeah, first of all, the full details, I think, I believe people can find out in those websites and the news and everything like that.

01:34:01.000 But I think it's important to understand that, you know, we condemned the violence of the Palestinian side and the violence of the Hezbollah side.

01:34:12.000 And we believe that with non-violent action we will achieve much more.

01:34:16.000 So this is for the basic, before I start to answer.

01:34:20.000 But things didn't start when the soldier, the Israeli soldier, was kidnapped in Gaza.

01:34:28.000 Those weeks before were terrible fascinations that most of the people who died were civilians, innocent Palestinians.

01:34:38.000 The reason that it led to this escalation is because on the month before, and even years before, my government still refused to talk with the Palestinians.

01:34:50.000 They want to commit unilateral moves and finish this conflict with power and with unilateral policy.

01:35:03.000 And this is the root reason of this current violence.

01:35:12.000 Were they waiting for a pretext, Yonatan, or did they create the pretext in order to go into Lebanon?

01:35:17.000 You know, that's the thing you should ask the Israeli official representative.

01:35:22.000 But I can tell you that, you know, missiles on the north, on Haifa and Nafula, it's something that very easily, you know, make, you know, push all the triggers on those generals and prime minister and minister of defense in Israel.

01:35:41.000 So you don't have to convince and to do a lot of work to make, to mobilize the people to go to fight Lebanon. 0.91

01:35:50.000 When you have missiles falling on their cities.

01:35:53.000 It's a fact that we should not forget.

01:35:56.000 We covered this earlier in our program.

01:35:59.000 We were talking about when Japan was provoked by the United States and then of course we saw Pearl Harbor following that.

01:36:07.000 Uh, and this, you know, it can be done.

01:36:09.000 In fact, there are strategies throughout history that provokes terrorists to get them active so that you can, again, legitimize what you're trying to move forward with military action or otherwise.

01:36:21.000 We also talked about how it's been proven that Our President FDR, Roosevelt, left Americans in the Philippines for good war propaganda, even knowing that they would be killed.

01:36:32.000 A lot of them trying to get some type of restitution for that.

01:36:34.000 Now, we have 25,000 Americans locked into Lebanon.

01:36:38.000 It appears not a major effort to try to airlift them out.

01:36:42.000 Are you afraid, as maybe we are, that they could be used?

01:36:45.000 Maybe something happens to them and this could escalate this further and involve the United States into this military conflict?

01:36:53.000 You know, I think there are so many good reasons for the United States to... not good, I mean bad reasons, but they perceive them as good reasons to join this war and to attack Iran and all this kind of stuff.

01:37:08.000 I don't think that they have to have all these pretexts.

01:37:12.000 They can find them, they can later on write some good propaganda and spread it on.

01:37:17.000 Well, it's not as easy as it used to be, Yonatan.

01:37:19.000 I gotta tell you, I mean, here in the United States, a lot of generals, people in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, people at the Pentagon, people in the State Department dissenting, not wanting to go into this plan to go to Syria in Iran.

01:37:31.000 They feel we have our hands full now with Afghanistan and Iran.

01:37:34.000 I think, as I told you before the interview, I said that people do not like to go to wars, but the only thing that you have to do is just tell them that they are being attacked.

01:37:46.000 And you can do it here today, American public, and you can do it in Israel, and then you have war.

01:37:52.000 And that's exactly the reason that I believe that the U.S.

01:37:55.000 will not stop the current violence.

01:37:58.000 If we have some kind of hope now, is that the European leaders will wake up.

01:38:04.000 And understand that if they don't want to see another Holocaust in the region, they must act now. 0.97

01:38:09.000 We don't want their money.

01:38:11.000 We don't want one hand giving us aid and one hand giving us a weapon.

01:38:16.000 We need them to stop all the support to the Israeli military and to force the sides to sit down and negotiate.

01:38:26.000 Well, I was going to ask you later on in the interview if that's possible.

01:38:29.000 I think I'll save that for some type of a solution here as we wind this up.

01:38:33.000 Just quickly, I want to take some phone calls, Yonatan.

01:38:36.000 What is going through the mind of the people running the bomb raids currently out of Israel?

01:38:41.000 Can you put us in their mind?

01:38:44.000 Can you tell us what they're thinking?

01:38:45.000 Are they just robots going in and following orders?

01:38:48.000 Or are they torn?

01:38:50.000 Is there inter-conflict?

01:38:51.000 Is there bombing these civilian areas in Israel?

01:38:55.000 In Beirut now?

01:38:57.000 You know, again, I didn't drop any bomb in my life, and I'm very happy about that.

01:39:04.000 But you know people that did.

01:39:05.000 But I must tell you that a soldier or a pilot or an officer who is being sent by his commander is quite sure that he is going to protect civilians.

01:39:20.000 And this, you know, it deserves a lot of propaganda, a lot of half-side history lessons, and eventually you have to pull a trigger and to press some button.

01:39:34.000 But you are so confident before then that you're doing it in order to protect people.

01:39:40.000 And actually, you know, if I was now in the military, And I was still, you know, believing the system.

01:39:48.000 And my commander would tell me that, you know, you must attack this car because this car is going to blow itself and kill thousands of people.

01:39:58.000 You know, you make the calculation, you understand that you should protect these thousands of people.

01:40:04.000 But the problem is that we do not believe this system anymore.

01:40:07.000 And these guys, Yeah.

01:40:09.000 In fact, what Israel has said to you in the past is, peace is just around the corner.

01:40:14.000 Just relax.

01:40:15.000 This is all going to end up in peace just tomorrow or the next day.

01:40:18.000 Yeah, and I can assure you that most of the pilots are leftist.

01:40:21.000 Most of the pilots are, you know, voting for left parties, for the Labour or for even the Merits Party.

01:40:28.000 I know some pilots who are still serving, who even vote for the Israeli Arab Party, and it sounds ridiculous, but these guys are, just like you said, they think that the system will lead us eventually, will lead us eventually to peace.

01:40:44.000 And they still have some kind of confidence and belief in the system.

01:40:49.000 And that's the problem.

01:40:50.000 I don't know if you're familiar with George Orwell's 1984, but in doublespeak, war is peace, and this is of course what is being packaged and sold to the American people, the people around the world as well.

01:41:00.000 1-800-259-9231.

01:41:01.000 We're opening up the phone lines for Yonatan Shapira, former captain in the Israeli Air Force who refused to continue to be involved in the attacks on foreign countries.

01:41:13.000 Currently residing here stateside his organization again combatantsforpeace.org 1-800-259-9231 We are live on the Alex Jones Show this 18th day of July 2006.

01:41:24.000 Let's go to Wolfgang in Kansas.

01:41:27.000 Wolfgang, thank you for holding.

01:41:28.000 You're on the air with Yonatan Shapira.

01:41:31.000 Hello Jack, how are you doing?

01:41:32.000 I'm okay.

01:41:32.000 Good.

01:41:33.000 Great show.

01:41:34.000 I really commend his efforts for refusing to fight.

01:41:37.000 I myself as an American military veteran have been in the same situation.

01:41:43.000 In the American military, you have a duty to refuse illegal orders under the Law of Warfare.

01:41:48.000 I don't know if you know that or not.

01:41:49.000 Yeah, it's the same in the Israeli military.

01:41:52.000 So, if the scenario ever came up where the military people that are listening to this program would just refuse to go along or to carry out these missions, we wouldn't have anybody to fight these wars now, would we?

01:42:10.000 Well, nor would we have anybody to defend the country in case there was a real threat, which I guess is always possible.

01:42:16.000 Not probable, but certainly possible.

01:42:18.000 Right, I'm talking about specifically Iraq, and if we're going into Iran, this is all set up for Iran, I think there should be a mutiny in the military. 0.98

01:42:26.000 I think there kind of is.

01:42:28.000 Yonatan, you want to comment on that?

01:42:30.000 Yeah, I just want to refer to the first part about the illegal order.

01:42:35.000 That exactly was the argument that we used when we wrote our refusal letter in Israel and we published it.

01:42:41.000 And that's the reason, that's exactly the reason that none of us, you know, went to jail.

01:42:47.000 Because we used the army law, we used the Israeli constitution to struggle against the actions of the army and the Israeli government.

01:42:57.000 You know, if you tried that here in this country, it wouldn't fly.

01:43:00.000 I don't think it would work too well. 0.99

01:43:01.000 Actually, I can tell you that at the last discussion with the Commander of the Air Force, that now is the Chief of Staff, who is leading all this stupid and crazy war.

01:43:12.000 In the last interview that I had with him, after I published the letter with my friends, I told him that I don't want him just to discharge me from the Air Force. 0.67

01:43:23.000 I want him to charge us, to charge me.

01:43:26.000 And we are willing even to sit in jail if they can show in court that these orders are legal.

01:43:32.000 And of course they didn't want to.

01:43:33.000 They didn't want the bad publicity is really what I think probably what it amounted to and maybe not a bad decision on their part.

01:43:39.000 Thanks for the call, Wolfgang.

01:43:40.000 Let's go to Zach who's calling from Arkansas.

01:43:42.000 Zach, thank you for calling.

01:43:43.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

01:43:45.000 Hi, I was going to ask Do you feel that the Hezbollah and the other resistance organizations are legitimate, or do you feel that they are just plain terrorist organizations, or is it somewhere in between there?

01:43:59.000 Yeah, I don't think that it's legitimate to fire missiles on civilians.

01:44:04.000 And to kill people in the border, but I think that the same insanity and the same illegitimacy you can find in both sides of this line.

01:44:15.000 I think that's why I think that there is a chance for dialogue because I know the Israelis are insane and I know that if they are acting like that and the Hezbollah are acting like that There is a chance that eventually we can sit down and discuss these things without shooting and killing each other. 0.99

01:44:38.000 I think that what Zack was getting at is are they controlled opposition or are they, I guess, a legitimate actual terror force that needs to be dealt with and negotiated with or are they infiltrated either by Shin Bet, by the Mossad, by foreign intelligence to the point where this is all kind of part of the plan?

01:44:57.000 You know, I think that history taught us that the best way to deal with groups who are violent and use terror against civilians is to talk with them and to make them legitimate.

01:45:10.000 And then they, most of the time, withdraw from their terrorist means.

01:45:14.000 You understand we can't talk to Al-Qaeda in a serious way because they're still generally being directed by the Central Intelligence Agency, so it doesn't help us to talk to someone who we already control.

01:45:25.000 Yeah, but there is a difference between not talking to someone, then bombing civilians that live next by, and making them join the Hezbollah.

01:45:35.000 I'm against the Hezbollah action. 0.99

01:45:36.000 I'm against their policy.

01:45:38.000 I'm against this radical and fanatic agenda and opinions.

01:45:43.000 But at the same time, I think that killing innocent people that live next to this commandership of the Hezbollah will just make more people join the Hezbollah and eventually attacking Israel.

01:45:54.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:45:55.000 In fact, I agree with everything you just said.

01:45:56.000 Thank you for the call, Zach.

01:45:57.000 Let's go to Paula in Florida.

01:45:59.000 Paula, thank you for calling in.

01:46:01.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show with Yonatan Shapira.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, hi hon.

01:46:05.000 Y'all are doing a wonderful thing.

01:46:07.000 I just wanted to say that this is very sad that this is happening because we're killing our own family.

01:46:13.000 And I mean, I've talked to some of the people with the Jewish centers and stuff and they said that a lot of this is being caused from jealousy from the other side of our family that they they feel like we have more than they do that we developed ourselves they haven't But I mean, this is so sad, but this battle's been going on for a long time.

01:46:34.000 I mean, ever since Esau and Jacob, and this is exactly what's happening.

01:46:38.000 And it's sad, but I'll tell you, there's a lot of sick people out there.

01:46:42.000 I mean, we have intermarried our own families for over 2,000 years, and we have the highest level of mental insanity in the world. 0.82

01:46:48.000 And I think this is part of our problem that Some of these people are not mentally stable.

01:46:52.000 It's the inbreeding, Paula, is that what you're saying?

01:46:55.000 Yeah, I've got some information on this that I got, and it said that we were told to intermarry until a certain time, until the time of Charlotte, but they said because of this, we have the highest level of mental instability.

01:47:05.000 So you think that maybe George Herbert Walker Bush shouldn't have married his cousin Barbara Pierce and had children, and maybe that's part of the problem?

01:47:13.000 Yeah, cause GW's on medication too. 0.99

01:47:15.000 He's mentally ill. 1.00

01:47:16.000 He is mentally ill! 1.00

01:47:17.000 Yeah, he's got, he's mad depressive. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Ariel Sharon is, uh, well, they took care of him.

01:47:21.000 Thank you for the call, Paul.

01:47:23.000 You know guys, it's too easy solution to say that these guys are ill.

01:47:27.000 Hold on, Paul.

01:47:28.000 It's too easy for us.

01:47:29.000 I'm sorry, go ahead Jonathan. 0.99

01:47:30.000 I think it's much too easy just to say that these guys are just insane and in a mental condition. 0.96

01:47:38.000 Well, that's not all we're saying. 0.95

01:47:39.000 Yeah, we are all part of it.

01:47:42.000 You know, each one of us who is now part of the system here or there is part of it.

01:47:46.000 So we cannot just blame the insane leaders.

01:47:49.000 I don't consider myself part of it and I doubt Paula considers herself part of it.

01:47:53.000 Paula, go ahead. 0.99

01:47:54.000 You wanted to finish up real quick?

01:47:55.000 I just talked to one of the congressmen.

01:47:56.000 They've got some papers on this new union.

01:47:59.000 They're going to mail me a copy of it.

01:48:01.000 You let us know what you find out.

01:48:01.000 Very good.

01:48:03.000 Okay, and the impeachment's going through.

01:48:05.000 Well, we can hope so, but I don't know if that's going to solve anything.

01:48:08.000 I mean, we're going to get one crook in place of another.

01:48:11.000 Okay, let's go to Joy, calling from Hawaii.

01:48:14.000 Joy, thank you for joining us.

01:48:16.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

01:48:17.000 Oh, thank you.

01:48:18.000 I'm just sitting here listening to all of the conversations, and I thought, what a novel idea.

01:48:23.000 Peace equals peace, as opposed to war equals peace.

01:48:27.000 You can't fight for peace, you have to peace for peace.

01:48:30.000 Right.

01:48:31.000 Well, the reason I'm calling is you know how these globalists work.

01:48:35.000 In our local newspaper, about a week ago, there was an article showing that Hawaii plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor.

01:48:49.000 And this is going to be a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.

01:48:54.000 When is that taking place?

01:48:56.000 That's supposed to take place in mid-August.

01:48:59.000 Yeah, I remember covering that a while back.

01:49:01.000 They've been planning this for a long time.

01:49:03.000 Alright, so you know how their mock drills turn out to be the real thing?

01:49:09.000 Well, they use these drills in order to disguise false flag operations, and we've seen that in every instance in the most recent terror attacks around the world, or quote-unquote terror attacks.

01:49:20.000 We're keeping our eye on you, Joy, over there, and I think that if you get the word out to people that you're having this drill and that people use these drills to cover for false flag operations, maybe you'll scare them off from maybe doing something.

01:49:32.000 So you mean a false flag here in Hawaii?

01:49:34.000 Well, it's a potential, as you say.

01:49:36.000 They're running a drill.

01:49:37.000 I'd let people know what they do during these drills, Joy.

01:49:40.000 And we've scared them off, I think, in the past by publishing that type of information.

01:49:45.000 Stop them from doing things that they might normally do.

01:49:47.000 Stay tuned, folks.

01:49:48.000 We'll be right back.

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01:52:47.000 Well, I won't back down.

01:53:02.000 No, I won't back down.

01:53:07.000 You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down.

01:53:15.000 Yonatan Shapiro with us, former captain of the Israeli Air Force Reserves, military refuser, refused to continue the effort of the bombing of innocent civilians in and around Israel.

01:53:27.000 Now working with the group combatantsforpeace.org.

01:53:30.000 I'd like everyone to go there, find out about this organization, and if you can Book them at an event or you can help them get their message out.

01:53:38.000 Help them increase their ranks or their funding.

01:53:41.000 I think that this would be a legitimate organization to support.

01:53:45.000 Combatants4Peace.org Yonatan, let me ask you this.

01:53:52.000 Here in the United States, if we criticize Israel for anything, whether it be the government, whether it be the Zionist leaders, whether it be the military actions, we are instantly called anti-Semitic.

01:54:05.000 This seems to be a plan that's very well thought out, and this is maybe why Israel seems to be front and center to a lot of the wars and aggression. 0.91

01:54:12.000 How do you think we should deal with that?

01:54:14.000 I think it's very simple.

01:54:16.000 Bring as many people like us to the United States Bring hundreds of us.

01:54:21.000 No one can say to me that I am anti-Semitic.

01:54:24.000 No one can say to me that I am anti-Israeli.

01:54:27.000 I serve my country.

01:54:28.000 I risk my life for my country, as well as other thousands of people.

01:54:33.000 And we have thousands of activists.

01:54:35.000 Bring them on and let them talk to every community, Jewish, American, Christian, Muslim.

01:54:44.000 Let them talk and listen to them carefully.

01:54:46.000 That's my suggestion.

01:54:47.000 That's a great suggestion and I want to let you know that we are open, both here on the Alex Jones Show and my program Deadline Live, to have as many of you Israelis on as possible to make the point that, again, we are all concerned.

01:55:00.000 Israeli citizens and American citizens and British citizens and German citizens and French citizens and Russian citizens, all alike, very concerned for the state of the world.

01:55:10.000 That being said, we'll put anything on the record that you want here we have just a couple of minutes left.

01:55:15.000 How do we stop this madness?

01:55:16.000 What needs to be done to create a ceasefire?

01:55:19.000 What can we do to stop this escalation?

01:55:22.000 You know, I think that the United States now will not stop the escalation.

01:55:28.000 They will probably just give us some more bombs and missiles to shoot.

01:55:36.000 I guess that we can address our request to European leaders Maybe to some people in the UN, if the UN will be a bit stronger, and to force the sides to cease fire.

01:55:49.000 The problem is now that Israel is even refusing to talk to the Lebanese government.

01:55:54.000 The Lebanese government did not shoot on us, but Israel refused to talk to them because they want to... we want to continue this operation.

01:56:04.000 So we must force them to cease fire by any non-violent means.

01:56:09.000 It means You know, boycott, it means divestment, it means isolating diplomats from Israel.

01:56:16.000 All these kind of things are legitimate now in order to force them to cease fire.

01:56:21.000 So you've given up on us here in the United States, Yonatan.

01:56:24.000 You've completely given up on any hope that the United States could intervene.

01:56:28.000 No, I didn't completely give up, but when I see the reaction of your leaders now, I know that it's not something that's going to happen tomorrow or the next day.

01:56:40.000 And if it will not be stopped tomorrow or the next day, it's very, very dangerous.

01:56:47.000 And logistically, I think that's almost impossible.

01:56:50.000 I mean, even if we got millions of people out into the street over this, and I don't think again until Americans are heard, or until we can really start feeling the pain here, I don't know if that's likely to happen.

01:57:01.000 It's certainly not likely to happen in time.

01:57:02.000 Will the United States become Tel Aviv?

01:57:04.000 Will we see terrorist bombs going off every day here in a big city like you do in Tel Aviv?

01:57:09.000 I think it's already happened.

01:57:10.000 Don't you think?

01:57:12.000 Well, no, not to the degree that we see happening in Israel.

01:57:15.000 Not to this degree, but you already have time.

01:57:19.000 Yeah.

01:57:19.000 Yonatan, I appreciate you being with us today.

01:57:22.000 Again, combatantsforpeace.org.

01:57:24.000 We're going to open up the phone lines and just take calls for the final hour of today's program.

01:57:28.000 This is the Alex Jones Show.

01:57:29.000 Yonatan, thank you very much for what you're doing.

01:57:30.000 Thank you very much, Mark.

01:57:32.000 If you would like a copy of this show, come to GCNlive.com and reserve it today, or call toll-free 877-376-45.

01:57:39.000 Big Brother.

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01:57:51.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:53.000 You want answers?

01:57:54.000 Well, so does he.

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01:58:00.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 Well, you heard it.

01:58:07.000 The former defector from the military in Israel wants to save his country.

01:58:14.000 Maybe it helps save ours, and even the world, by joining together with others from all sides of this conflict to say they don't want any more war, they don't want any more violence, they're done killing each other, and that there is nothing going on in Israel other than the fact that they are the aggressor. 0.78

01:58:30.000 They're not defending themselves.

01:58:32.000 This is a fake belief perpetrated and propagandized on the people of Israel.

01:58:37.000 So really, Yonatan, not much different than the rest of us here in the United States.

01:58:43.000 Love our country?

01:58:43.000 Want to defend our country?

01:58:46.000 It takes you aback a little bit when you really hear somebody like that say, look, there's probably no hope for you guys helping us.

01:58:55.000 We're just going to have to give up on the United States.

01:58:57.000 And then you think that throughout this great country, or once great country, there are roughly 50 million people that want to help but are too busy or too distracted or not incensed enough to get out and really do something.

01:59:11.000 I mean, if we could put You know, 30 million people on the street.

01:59:14.000 You remember May Day when we were having immigration protests?

01:59:17.000 If you could put that many people on the street by tomorrow, you could perhaps turn the tide.

01:59:22.000 But it has to be done today.

01:59:24.000 Tomorrow.

01:59:26.000 No, not the next day after that, or next week, or next month, or next year.

01:59:30.000 It's shocking to hear and to believe that we're kind of a lost cause here, enablers.

01:59:38.000 For this Middle East war, and when you hear that Woolsey clip that we played, or you get some of the copy coming out from these policy makers, these pundits, or even these screaming heads all over the radio and the TV, you can understand why people feel that way.

01:59:53.000 Very, very, very disturbing.

01:59:56.000 We're going to take your calls for the final hour of the broadcast today.

02:00:00.000 Anything that you want to talk about, you want to change topics and get out of this Middle East thing, probably more than happy to join you with that. 0.99

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02:06:53.000 Let's go to David in New York.

02:06:54.000 David, thank you for holding.

02:06:55.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:06:57.000 My question is regarding the missile attacks in northern Israel.

02:07:00.000 I have a Ynet News report saying that there were at least Patriot missile and a ballistic missile systems put in place on the 15th.

02:07:09.000 And then we're seeing missiles hitting the 17th and today.

02:07:11.000 And there's just been no reports.

02:07:14.000 Those Patriot missiles, those missile defense shields have never worked very good.

02:07:17.000 In fact, if you remember in the Iraq War, I believe the first Iraq War, a bunch of those Patriot missiles landed on U.S.

02:07:24.000 military bases.

02:07:26.000 That's correct, but you have mainstream Israeli news saying that they're deployed, and we're not seeing any success or failure rates.

02:07:33.000 Yeah, I don't have any information if they're even using them, to be honest with you.

02:07:38.000 I really don't.

02:07:39.000 I mean, basically, what we've found out is the missiles that Hezbollah is allegedly shooting off into Israel are close to what Scuds might be.

02:07:49.000 Some of them now, I guess, are a little more intelligent.

02:07:51.000 But they certainly... I don't believe Hezbollah has their own satellites up in space and are able to guide some of these missiles.

02:07:57.000 So, they're heat-seeking... It sounds like maybe there's a stand-down on the northern defenses of Israel to allow these rockets to go in there.

02:08:03.000 No, you might have a point.

02:08:05.000 Honestly, I couldn't tell you.

02:08:07.000 And I think that's something we probably need to look into.

02:08:09.000 What are these... You go too long.

02:08:10.000 If you go to Ynetnews.com, they have an article showing pictures of them hitting missiles in Paipa.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, no, I mean, I've seen it all over the news.

02:08:17.000 I don't dispute that they've deployed them.

02:08:19.000 I just, like you, have questions on whether they're being used and to what capacity they're being used.

02:08:24.000 Okay, well, thanks a lot.

02:08:25.000 Thanks, David.

02:08:26.000 Wish I could have given you an answer there, but we're trying to keep track of a lot of information here.

02:08:26.000 Appreciate the call.

02:08:31.000 Let's go to Malta in Denmark. 0.85

02:08:32.000 Hi, Malta, my friend.

02:08:33.000 How are you?

02:08:34.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:08:35.000 Brave man, this guy. 0.92

02:08:36.000 He would probably be called a self-hating Jew. 0.92

02:08:38.000 Right. 1.00

02:08:40.000 And if he gets lucky with it, he will probably be killed. 0.87

02:08:43.000 I mean, I know.

02:08:44.000 Well, I'm sure he's got a pretty big bullseye on his back.

02:08:47.000 I mean, that's why he's here in the United States.

02:08:50.000 It seems that if Jewish people are trying to expose the old hidden history of the Kazarian, they're just being killed.

02:08:58.000 Well look, hold on a second, let me say something.

02:09:02.000 One of the points that he made is that the new Israeli military are much more up to speed on the information about the history of their government and the history of the world.

02:09:13.000 And that is again because we have the internet.

02:09:15.000 That is we have more avenues to share information.

02:09:18.000 So they're going to have a harder and harder time, much like our Military does here in the United States and militaries all over the world are going to have a harder and harder time recruiting people for these missions as people begin understanding what real history means.

02:09:32.000 The problem is, where do you want to place these Israelis? 1.00

02:09:36.000 I mean, I don't think the Russians want them back there. 1.00

02:09:39.000 I don't know their homeland.

02:09:41.000 They're Qazari and Jew. 1.00

02:09:42.000 They're European. 0.55

02:09:43.000 They're not Arabs. 0.97

02:09:45.000 They have the same rights as you and me.

02:09:47.000 They're whites. 0.98

02:09:49.000 Well, look, and we understand all of that, but at this point, there's no way we're going to remove the Israeli government.

02:09:57.000 It is staying there, and merely, I believe that... I believe that, you know, Webster Tarpley touched on this yesterday.

02:10:04.000 I mean, the original treaties and the original borders need to be honored, and that means people on both sides are going to have to start making some concessions.

02:10:13.000 Well, what about this one?

02:10:14.000 Is it really talking about that the Palestinians don't exist?

02:10:17.000 They're really Euthanians?

02:10:20.000 I'm sorry I missed that last part.

02:10:25.000 Sure.

02:10:26.000 Well, that's propaganda put forth by people on the Israeli side of the conflict, and there's propaganda flying from both sides.

02:10:32.000 Of course, our job is to cut through that.

02:10:34.000 The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians have a homeland, the Israelis now have a homeland. 0.71

02:10:42.000 I just don't know where, who's going to remove either one of them.

02:10:45.000 That's not going to happen.

02:10:47.000 It's not realistic.

02:10:49.000 And in the end, we've got to find a way to honor certain borders by certain countries.

02:10:53.000 That's just it.

02:10:57.000 Thank you for the call, Molta.

02:10:58.000 I'm having a hard time understanding you, but we got most of that.

02:11:01.000 Jim?

02:11:03.000 Where's Jim from?

02:11:05.000 Wisconsin.

02:11:05.000 Jim, I can't read my writing, but you are on the Alex Jones Show.

02:11:08.000 Thank you for calling.

02:11:09.000 Yes.

02:11:10.000 Worldwide, the organized warmongers are the Illuminati.

02:11:14.000 And Professor John Robinson wrote a book called Proof of a Conspiracy to Destroy All Government and Religion.

02:11:22.000 And copies are available.

02:11:24.000 There's a book called Warning 1965 and you get the copy from www.freedomcalendar.com Truth in Print.

02:11:34.000 Get a copy of this.

02:11:35.000 It's 31 pages and it shows that way back in history even Thomas Jefferson who founded the Democratic Party was a member of the Illuminati.

02:11:47.000 And the Illuminati are the warmongers.

02:11:49.000 So read this documentation.

02:11:51.000 Proof of a conspiracy.

02:11:53.000 To destroy all government and religions. 0.98

02:11:54.000 And they infiltrated all governments and religions.

02:11:59.000 We have a lot of reading to do.

02:12:00.000 I guess if people read every book or every plug that came out on a show like this, they would do nothing but read 24-7.

02:12:06.000 But you have a point.

02:12:08.000 I'm not going to debate it with you.

02:12:10.000 Let's go to William in Georgia.

02:12:11.000 William, thank you for the call.

02:12:12.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:12:13.000 Yeah, it's good talking to you.

02:12:16.000 Yeah, I just want to talk about, like, last night I was watching the news, man.

02:12:20.000 It's the most wartime propaganda I have ever seen. 0.75

02:12:23.000 The psyops, the numerology, all the tickers, all they talk about is child molestation, child pornography, women killing their children. 1.00

02:12:34.000 It's so sick. 0.91

02:12:36.000 Well, and especially regarding this Middle East conflict, you know, I remember about a month ago, I was screaming for people to get involved, for the news to start covering this.

02:12:46.000 When the initial bombing started in Lebanon, I couldn't believe that it was hardly being covered on the mainstream news.

02:12:52.000 Well, I have to be careful what I wish for, because now it's 24-7, and as you say, it's about 99.9% pure propaganda, war propaganda.

02:13:00.000 Yeah, it's Zionist hogwash. 0.87

02:13:03.000 To deny that that's war propaganda... Globalist, Zionist, Fundamental Christian... I mean, you can give it any name you want. 0.51

02:13:10.000 It seems they're all in on it.

02:13:12.000 Don't you think, William?

02:13:13.000 I mean, there are a lot of groups joined together that love everything about more war, don't they?

02:13:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:13:19.000 They just feed off of it like a parasite.

02:13:23.000 You know, and they use it... I called in and talked about the Egyptian mysteries, man.

02:13:26.000 It's in full effect.

02:13:27.000 Just watch the news.

02:13:30.000 Yeah, the signs are everywhere, as they say.

02:13:32.000 The truth is not just out there, it's right in front of you.

02:13:35.000 Thank you for the call, William.

02:13:37.000 Maybe you've been to the Georgia Guidestones, which is very occultist as well there in Georgia.

02:13:43.000 Celeste calling in from New Mexico.

02:13:44.000 Celeste, thank you for calling in on the Alex Jones Show.

02:13:47.000 Hi, Jack.

02:13:47.000 You're doing a great job filling in for Alex.

02:13:50.000 I really appreciate it.

02:13:53.000 The first thing I wanted to ask you is, you said you have a program right after Alex.

02:13:58.000 Could you give us where we can find you on the shortwave?

02:14:01.000 Because we looked yesterday and couldn't find you.

02:14:03.000 I'm not on shortwave.

02:14:04.000 You'll have to log on to the internet and just go to Jackblood.com or GCNlive.com and everyone can find my program as well.

02:14:12.000 Five days a week, right after Alex's show.

02:14:14.000 Five days a week.

02:14:14.000 Thank you.

02:14:15.000 Okay.

02:14:16.000 What I wanted to say was yesterday I was listening when a Christian called in and was concerned.

02:14:22.000 He was obviously up to speed on the New World Order and all, but he said he just couldn't back Going against Israel. 0.93

02:14:29.000 You remember the guy I'm talking about?

02:14:31.000 Yeah, we had a couple of calls like that.

02:14:32.000 Yeah, I just heard one, and you know, I'm an evangelical, born-again Christian, however you want to call it, and I came from that same tradition where, you know, Israel, you back them no matter what, and that they are the true people of God and all, but I want to speak to the Christians that are listening that we know that in the end times, there's going to be great deception.

02:14:55.000 And Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers, first of all.

02:14:59.000 We've got to decide and discern what's really peace and what's really not.

02:15:04.000 Aren't we supposed to love our neighbors?

02:15:07.000 I mean, whatever happened to that?

02:15:09.000 That doesn't seem... all these Christians or Jews that believe in the Old Testament, I mean, where is the love your neighbor here?

02:15:17.000 And I think that Christians really need to... Yes, we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

02:15:21.000 That's obviously in the scripture.

02:15:23.000 But we need to ask the Lord to give us discernment on, you know, who are these people?

02:15:30.000 We know they're the government, and are they who Jesus was talking about?

02:15:35.000 Are they who the Bible's talking about? 0.91

02:15:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:37.000 These are basically the equivalent of, potentially, the Pharisees.

02:15:40.000 Do you see it that way?

02:15:41.000 Absolutely!

02:15:43.000 Who has hijacked Israel? 0.52

02:15:46.000 Yeah.

02:15:47.000 And we see that we have that same problem with our country.

02:15:50.000 You know, who's really in charge?

02:15:51.000 Well, we know the answer to who hijacked Israel. 0.79

02:15:54.000 It's in the history books.

02:15:55.000 I mean, this is a direct creation from the Bank of Rothschild, from the British royalty and some of the long-standing globalist powers that have been around now for hundreds of years.

02:16:06.000 This was all part of the plan.

02:16:08.000 In fact, they tried to do this with the League of Nations after the First World War.

02:16:12.000 It failed.

02:16:12.000 They couldn't get it done.

02:16:13.000 And that's of course, and a lot of people believe this, this is why the Second World War was really fought.

02:16:18.000 To redraw the maps of the world, including the Middle East and the homeland for Israel.

02:16:23.000 Right.

02:16:23.000 I agree with you totally.

02:16:25.000 I just wanted to, you said this was a worldwide forum, and I just want to speak to Christians to go to the Lord and seek wisdom.

02:16:32.000 You know, it says in James, if you lack wisdom, ask for it.

02:16:36.000 And so we as Christians need to know exactly who we're praying for, who we're backing, And most of all, remember that Jesus did say, blessed are the peacemakers.

02:16:45.000 That's right.

02:16:45.000 Thank you, Celeste.

02:16:46.000 It sounds like you found that wisdom, but I believe some of our listeners, even after hearing an Israeli on the air today, standing up for his country, much like we do here in America as patriots, People still doubting, people still looking for discernment, still not being able to find that wisdom.

02:17:04.000 And if you can pray for it or meditate for it or buy it, please hurry up.

02:17:09.000 Joe in Boston, thank you for calling in.

02:17:11.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:17:12.000 How are you doing?

02:17:13.000 I haven't spoken to you for quite a while.

02:17:14.000 I'm the fellow that you were supposed to help get back to me.

02:17:16.000 You've never been.

02:17:17.000 I guess you've been so busy.

02:17:18.000 Boy, you don't know how true that is.

02:17:21.000 I'll tell you what, Joe, hang over in the break and I'll give you ample time on the other side of this commercial break, okay?

02:17:26.000 Okay, great.

02:17:26.000 Folks, whatever you do, go somewhere else.

02:17:28.000 Change the channel.

02:17:29.000 Don't stay there.

02:17:30.000 No matter what you do, we're going to play this bush clip coming up in the next segment.

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02:21:50.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:21:57.000 We have guided missiles and misguided men.

02:22:00.000 Those said Martin Luther King many years ago before they shot him down like a dog.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, where are our leaders?

02:22:08.000 Where are our charismatic leaders who are leading us in the right direction?

02:22:13.000 Have they all been assassinated?

02:22:14.000 They've all been Paul Wellstone?

02:22:17.000 They've all been Vince Fostered?

02:22:20.000 They've all been Gary Webbed?

02:22:22.000 Or Hunter S. Thompson'd?

02:22:25.000 That's for sure.

02:22:27.000 You know, I think a lot of people are really starting to believe that there's nothing to gain by being a leader of a freedom movement or of a peace movement.

02:22:36.000 Nothing but trouble will come of that, and everybody trying to get out there and get theirs.

02:22:40.000 Yes, we've heard the expression, those with the most toys win.

02:22:47.000 Of course we know that this is not true and something you really learn when you get involved with all of this and you get involved with all the activism that we are ceaselessly doing.

02:22:58.000 You really learn the value of freedom, that there's nothing that can be placed higher than freedom, the freedom of human consciousness, the freedom of our children and our grandchildren to live without being constantly monitored, without being thrown into camps for being dissident or sent off to the front lines to some war for profit or for power.

02:23:19.000 So I'll tell you that the mantle of this country, or whatever country you're listening to this broadcast in, rests surely on your shoulders.

02:23:29.000 This is a very important time in history.

02:23:31.000 We've got to make the call.

02:23:32.000 We've got to get out and get active.

02:23:34.000 And it's not enough just to talk about this.

02:23:36.000 It's not enough just to know about it.

02:23:38.000 It's not enough just to, you know, send emails to your friends about this.

02:23:42.000 So that's a start in the right direction.

02:23:44.000 But we really need to put people out where it's going to do the most good.

02:23:48.000 And I tell you, in any given town, in this city, in the United States of America, or in the world at large, if you can get a thousand people together in a coalition and agree on some very simple things, And you can get those thousand people on a pinpoint like a laser beam on the front porch of some of these policy makers, you can begin to see change.

02:24:09.000 And that has been proven over and over and over again.

02:24:12.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:24:14.000 John, how long is that bush clip?

02:24:19.000 You have no idea?

02:24:22.000 I'll tell you what we'll do.

02:24:23.000 You tell me in the next break and we'll play it in the next segment coming up.

02:24:26.000 The long segment we have at the Uh, 1.30.

02:24:30.000 Oh, okay.

02:24:30.000 So that's not very long at all.

02:24:33.000 We'll play that in the next segment for people who haven't heard it.

02:24:35.000 It's pretty revealing.

02:24:37.000 We can see... I think what this clip really shows is that President Bush really believes that he's president and he's in control!

02:24:43.000 He actually believes that!

02:24:45.000 And Tony Blair is as subservient to Bush as one could possibly be.

02:24:50.000 If nothing else, the clip shows that.

02:24:52.000 And in some ways, you have to actually look at it and see the body language.

02:24:55.000 I saw it last night on Keith Olbermann's show.

02:24:59.000 Joe in Boston, let's bring you back up.

02:24:59.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:25:01.000 Joe, thank you for calling in.

02:25:02.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:25:03.000 Before I make my comments, I hope sometime you will get time and you will do shows on people like me with a visual impairment, because we're left behind.

02:25:03.000 Hi, Jack.

02:25:11.000 As you know, we're in the... We're not leaving you behind.

02:25:13.000 I know, but you know what I mean.

02:25:15.000 The world doesn't accept... a lot of people don't accept us.

02:25:17.000 Property, equipment's built for us is sloppy, and I go on and on and on.

02:25:21.000 But don't forget Nicholas Vegas, his father, the congressman, has been killed too.

02:25:25.000 I don't understand this.

02:25:27.000 I mean, I'm glad that... Yeah, he got killed, the airplane got shot down with the Speaker of the House, Hale Boggs.

02:25:32.000 Yeah, and the TWA 800 I heard last night on the Coast Show.

02:25:35.000 There's a lot of things about that.

02:25:36.000 But what I don't understand, and I like this guest who was on... I missed the first part.

02:25:40.000 They say that Israel is retaliating because Hezbollah or Lebanon...

02:25:46.000 Hiding the terrorists.

02:25:47.000 It's like they know something was going on, but they're not doing anything.

02:25:51.000 Initially it was because one of their soldiers was kidnapped.

02:25:54.000 That's what started the massive offensive into the West Bank and into Palestine. 0.85

02:25:58.000 And then two more of their soldiers were kidnapped.

02:26:01.000 And that immediately started a retaliation against Lebanon and Beirut.

02:26:04.000 I mean, let's remember how this whole thing started.

02:26:06.000 Yes, after the bombing begun throughout Lebanon, Hezbollah fired back a lot of missiles.

02:26:12.000 Now it is war.

02:26:13.000 It's war and both sides are shooting.

02:26:16.000 Because, well, didn't he say that if you are part of the system, you have a responsibility?

02:26:19.000 Like, if you know something is going on, someone told me this, you could be an accessory if you don't do anything about it.

02:26:25.000 So is that partially Lebanon's fault that this happened?

02:26:25.000 That's true.

02:26:29.000 I think everybody's guilty in this case.

02:26:31.000 But again, something I was trying to get through to Yontan, and maybe he doesn't have as much of a grip on history as some of you might have, or some in this audience might have, or Alex Jones or myself, but when we're looking at Hamas and Hezbollah, we know that every terrorist organization on the face of the earth was funded into existence as controlled opposition.

02:26:52.000 So when we're saying both sides are doing this, we have to remember the leaders are most likely still being controlled some way or another, some shape or form, by these globalists.

02:27:04.000 The very same people that steal our liberties here in this country, the very same people that are responsible for 9-11, that are responsible for Oklahoma City, that set the policy that allows something like Waco or Ruby Ridge to happen, and events like this to happen all around the world.

02:27:18.000 I see.

02:27:20.000 Joe, love you buddy.

02:27:21.000 We'll come back.

02:27:21.000 Keep the faith.

02:27:22.000 Take Tom, George, Les, and Ruth and others patiently holding.

02:27:25.000 Stay tuned.

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02:30:59.000 We are going to go back to your calls.

02:31:01.000 We're going to play this clip, the open mic session with Tony Blair, Vladimir Putin, And George W. Bush from the G8 meeting just, I believe, yesterday, the day before yesterday.

02:31:13.000 Just real quick, some news coming in from the New York Post.

02:31:16.000 Perlstein to leave time for Carlisle.

02:31:19.000 Former Time Incorporated editor-in-chief Norman Perlstein will sever ties to the parent company after Labor Day to become a senior advisor to the Carlisle Group, the global buyout firm.

02:31:30.000 I love global buyout firm.

02:31:32.000 I think that's very well put.

02:31:34.000 Carlisle, which recently was a part of the winning consortium that bought VNU, owner of Nielsen Media Research and The Hollywood Reporter, and also owns Lowe's Cinemas, by the way, are now interested in stepping up its media activity.

02:31:52.000 It currently has $41.9 billion under management and is interested in expanding and publishing TV and new media.

02:32:00.000 This is very much like Berlusconi And various dictators around the world.

02:32:05.000 They own the military, they own the media, they own everything!

02:32:09.000 And thanks to the ex-president's club and the influence they wield, the Carlyle Group soon to own most of TV and print media and the internet as well as film.

02:32:21.000 Pearlstein became the senior advisor to Time Warner in January after 11 years in the firm's top editorial job.

02:32:28.000 It goes on to say, Time Incorporated remains the world's biggest magazine publisher, thanks in part by a $1.6 billion purchase by IPC.

02:32:37.000 But here you go, Norman Perlstein now joining the Carlyle Group, the global buyout firm, who by the way, create a situation where they ruin companies, then go in and buy them very cheaply and very low, and the next thing you know, they're making all kinds of money hand over foot.

02:32:54.000 They actually borrow money, much like This was also part of the investigations into the 60s, into the labor money being loaned to the mafia in order to make financial investments.

02:33:07.000 This is very similar to what the Carlyle Group does.

02:33:10.000 They borrow extensively from Texas pension funds in order to get the capital together to buy these ruined companies, which they themselves had a hand in ruining, and then of course create this global consortium, whether it be media, whether it be military, Whether it be security folks, the Carlyle Group generally has their fingers in the pie.

02:33:30.000 I'm going to go back to the phones here briefly.

02:33:30.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:33:34.000 Tom in Arizona, thank you for calling here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:33:37.000 Well, thanks for taking my phone call and you're doing a great job.

02:33:40.000 Hey, I wanted to just comment on a couple of things that you had said.

02:33:43.000 One, about Alex Jones getting away.

02:33:47.000 Doing what we're doing and all the listeners, we listen to it day in and day out.

02:33:51.000 It really can become all-consuming and I find myself just Oh, um...

02:33:56.000 Running the gamut of all emotions from anger to frustration to everything.

02:34:00.000 And you really do.

02:34:01.000 At least I do.

02:34:02.000 I need to step away every once in a while.

02:34:03.000 You've got to decompress, you know.

02:34:05.000 After I get off the air every day, I spend some time with my family.

02:34:07.000 I play with my son.

02:34:09.000 We play out in the backyard.

02:34:10.000 We just do some things.

02:34:11.000 We do a little kickboxing.

02:34:12.000 I'm training him to be a young tiger.

02:34:15.000 You know, we do some family-oriented things.

02:34:17.000 I get my mind off it.

02:34:18.000 Sometimes I watch a bread and circus sporting event or something.

02:34:22.000 And then I go back to work till four in the morning.

02:34:24.000 But you've got to have some way to decompress.

02:34:27.000 Anyway, I wanted to make one comment about 9-11 and the Israeli conflict that's going on.

02:34:35.000 There's been a couple of fellas on Fox News lately, like Jim Fetzer, and I forget the other fella who was just on. 0.98

02:34:41.000 They're trying to make him look like fools.

02:34:44.000 I would love to see one of those guys, even if you're asked on sometime, or anybody, just to say, hey Hannity, we know you're a good Catholic and a very charitable guy. 0.96

02:34:54.000 How about we do something for charity?

02:34:57.000 I'll put up X amount of dollars and put it to your charity if you can find any evidence, put it on your website, put it on your show of a plane going into the Pentagon or whatever.

02:35:09.000 Let's do it for charity, Sean.

02:35:14.000 And really put their feet to the fire.

02:35:15.000 Probably not a bad suggestion, though.

02:35:17.000 He'll begin to tell you all the great charitable things he does and why he doesn't need you to help him with his charities.

02:35:23.000 I mean, I'm sure he'd find a way out of that, but at least, hey, put his feet to the fire.

02:35:27.000 It's like they put his hooves to the fire.

02:35:29.000 And have you ever seen, obviously we all know that planes went into the World Trade Center, but have you ever seen a photograph that actually can show identification of that plane?

02:35:29.000 Right.

02:35:40.000 Like, you know, a United logo or whoever?

02:35:45.000 Well, I don't know if I've seen any exact tail numbers.

02:35:49.000 I believe those pictures are out there.

02:35:50.000 To be honest with you, I think I've analyzed thousands of pictures about the events of 9-11, and sometimes it gets a little jumbled in my head.

02:35:59.000 But thanks for reminding me.

02:36:03.000 Yeah, I don't want to promote websites here on this program, but if you listen to my show and you ask that question again, I can give you a couple of websites that might actually clarify that for you.

02:36:11.000 Okay?

02:36:12.000 That's a good question though, Tom.

02:36:12.000 Okay.

02:36:14.000 And look, there are a lot of people, thousands of people out there analyzing this stuff.

02:36:18.000 And believe me, if there was something to be heard, it would be getting out right now.

02:36:22.000 Hey, quickly, before I go to Georgia and Pennsylvania, I want you to hear this George W. Bush clip.

02:36:27.000 Off mic.

02:36:27.000 Caught off mic.

02:36:28.000 Thought the microphone was off.

02:36:30.000 This isn't the first time this has happened to George W. But we'll play this minute clip now and then go right back to the phones.

02:36:35.000 John, go ahead and roll that.

02:36:37.000 President Bush is flying back from the G8 Summit in Russia right now, where the main topic was the Middle East violence.

02:36:42.000 And the President was caught speaking very frankly about the crisis.

02:36:46.000 NBC's Kelly O'Donnell is traveling with the President.

02:36:49.000 Kelly, good morning.

02:36:52.000 Good morning, Natalie.

02:36:53.000 Some extraordinarily candid comments from President Bush today on the Middle East conflict, when he didn't think anyone else was listening, except British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

02:37:03.000 At the final working lunch today of the G8 Summit, with cameras visible and microphones on from official Russian TV, not US media, President Bush, apparently not knowing he could be heard, shared with Tony Blair his unvarnished opinion. 0.97

02:37:22.000 The irony is that what they need to do is get serious, get head-butted, and stop doing their sh** and hold on. 0.92

02:37:26.000 What about Kofi Annan? 0.96

02:37:27.000 And the president sounded dismissive of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, who's also here and calling for an urgent end to violence.

02:37:37.000 President Bush revealed he expects to send Secretary Rice to the region soon.

02:37:47.000 And he talked about the approach the Prime Minister unveiled hours earlier, standing with Annan, sending international troops to the region.

02:37:56.000 If we have the deployment of ...of an international force into that area that can stop the bombardment coming over into Israel and therefore gives Israel the reason to stop its attacks on Hezbollah.

02:38:12.000 It appears it was Blair who noticed the microphone was on and he reached over to turn it off.

02:38:17.000 When asked about the tape, White House officials say the President's comments may have been more blunt in private but are the same as his views expressed in...

02:38:27.000 Well, not exactly the same.

02:38:29.000 I don't know what this is going to do for diplomacy around the world, but I think it's very revealing.

02:38:34.000 In fact, at one point, when George W. Bush swears, he says that we just need to tell Hezbollah to stop that blank.

02:38:42.000 Who is he talking to?

02:38:43.000 Has anybody figured that out?

02:38:46.000 Is he saying that there's a way you can push a button and stop the violence from Hezbollah? 0.97

02:38:50.000 I mean, we should give them a call and tell them to knock it off?

02:38:53.000 That that's a possibility here?

02:38:55.000 Also, you see the extent of his attitude or his knowledge of foreign policy.

02:38:59.000 Russia's big, and so is China.

02:39:02.000 He's figured that much out anyway, and obviously he still thinks he's in control.

02:39:06.000 Let's go to George in Pennsylvania.

02:39:07.000 George, any thoughts on that?

02:39:11.000 It's not exactly why I called, but I kind of thought that thing was staged when I saw it the first time.

02:39:16.000 Okay.

02:39:17.000 I don't know if I agree with that.

02:39:18.000 He's throwing the cuss word and he's got the roll in his mouth and he's, you know, trying to make it look more realistic.

02:39:24.000 Yeah, did you see what an elitist he really is and how he could care less?

02:39:28.000 He's chewing on a roll and the body language of how he's looking at Tony Blair like he's just one of his minions or something.

02:39:35.000 I mean, I thought that was very revealing.

02:39:38.000 Yeah, that part, yeah.

02:39:40.000 That didn't add to the staging factor that struck me, but just what he was saying, you know?

02:39:47.000 Like, we have to put pressure on Syria, you know, and that goes right along with his line. 0.94

02:39:51.000 Yeah.

02:39:52.000 The other reason I called was, I was wondering, you probably didn't hear the first two hours of George Norrie's show last night, but... I probably did.

02:39:58.000 Okay.

02:39:59.000 To me, man, he sounded like he got his talking points last night from Richard Perle.

02:40:03.000 Yeah, I don't know what to say about that.

02:40:06.000 I mean, I think, again, It's a reaction to fear.

02:40:11.000 There's fear involved in Mr. Nori on the aspect that he really believes that we should be scared of Iran, and he just sounds very neocon-esque when he goes into those rants.

02:40:23.000 Yeah, and his guest was a real Zionist. 0.90

02:40:27.000 I was actually laughing when this guy said that the Israelis are such humanitarians that if Iran nuked them for the sake of humanity, They probably wouldn't strike back with nukes.

02:40:37.000 Well, we're getting through to George Norrie and, you know, look, we can criticize him all we want for the things he says that we don't agree with, but I prefer to give him a pat on the back for the time that he allows us, having Alex Jones on the air, which I know is very popular for him, getting a chance to put out the information that we know about.

02:40:56.000 So, look, I mean, I guess he's covering both sides of the issue.

02:40:59.000 How's that?

02:41:00.000 Is he objective or what?

02:41:01.000 Well, it's a great thing that he let Alex come on, but it seems like the longer it's been since Alex has been back, it seems like he drifts back to this neo-con life.

02:41:11.000 Hey, that's like all of us.

02:41:12.000 George, I've got to tell you, man, I found myself in New York City at that coronation, maybe 50 feet away from George W. Bush, going, hmm, maybe Bush is right.

02:41:21.000 Yeah, that can happen.

02:41:23.000 You put yourself in that environment, and you'll be surprised at how fast the mind control and the conditioning sets back in.

02:41:31.000 This is true.

02:41:32.000 People I talk to, you know, I work on them for a couple of days and they're right with me.

02:41:36.000 And then if I don't see them for a week, they're right back.

02:41:38.000 Yeah, you got to really keep up with it all.

02:41:40.000 Georgia and Pennsylvania, we're going to see you at Ground Zero on 9-11?

02:41:44.000 I'll try to get up there.

02:41:45.000 I'd love to meet you up there.

02:41:46.000 Hopefully we'll be able to do that, okay?

02:41:48.000 I will be there waiting for you.

02:41:48.000 Okay, fantastic.

02:41:50.000 Let's go to Les in West Virginia.

02:41:52.000 Les, thank you for holding.

02:41:53.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:41:54.000 Hello, brother.

02:41:55.000 How you doing?

02:41:56.000 I'm very good.

02:41:56.000 Yourself?

02:41:57.000 Fine, thank you.

02:41:58.000 Thank you for receiving my call.

02:42:01.000 You kind of hit the nail on the head yesterday when you said Israel, or modern Israel.

02:42:07.000 Now, I'm a teacher.

02:42:08.000 I've taught several classes in a couple of churches, and I'm not bragging, but we need to go to the Bible to see what's really going on.

02:42:17.000 We are facing the spirit of Antichrist.

02:42:22.000 John said that in 1 John 5.

02:42:24.000 Now, I'm not going to preach, but I tell you, the Bible is very clear.

02:42:28.000 The Bible teaches us that there are two Israels.

02:42:32.000 Paul said in Romans 9, all of Israel are not Israel.

02:42:36.000 They're just full of the flesh, and these are not the children of God, but the heirs according to promise.

02:42:41.000 That's what I was kind of getting at yesterday.

02:42:43.000 You know, here's what I'm worried about, Les, and I think that this is certainly the spiritual end of this has got to be in the equation, but here's what I'm worried about is that the, I'll call them the neocons, but let's call them the globalists, let's call them the illuminati, call them the new world order, call them whatever you want.

02:42:57.000 I'm afraid that they're going to use what's in the Bible and what's in various religious texts about the end times In order to create that.

02:43:06.000 In other words, it's not going to happen naturally.

02:43:09.000 It's not going to happen when it's supposed to happen.

02:43:11.000 They're going to make sure it happens, and they're going to convince everybody that this is Armageddon.

02:43:16.000 And I think that in some ways, somebody writing out the memos are talking about this very issue.

02:43:22.000 Exactly like that.

02:43:23.000 Real or promulgated, they'll make it happen.

02:43:26.000 I agree with you, Brother Jack.

02:43:27.000 Now listen, the spirit of Antichrist has already attacked the pulpits.

02:43:32.000 The paupers have been hampered and hamstrung by this IRS... Have you seen this story about the IRS?

02:43:40.000 Sir?

02:43:41.000 Have you seen this story about the IRS warning churches to avoid campaigning?

02:43:44.000 I just heard that and it doesn't surprise me because Satan got his nose under the tent by getting churches on their payroll, so to speak, because I left the church last year.

02:43:57.000 that he signed that, 501c3, and they're already telling him what he can and can't preach.

02:44:03.000 Now, that is hamstringing the pulpit.

02:44:08.000 That doesn't stop Pat Robertson, though, does it, Les?

02:44:13.000 Yeah, but he's part of the camel, I believe.

02:44:17.000 Well, yeah, let me tell you why they're doing this.

02:44:19.000 It's because the Democratic Party has put together a strategy to get the Martin Luther King types, the more liberal religious types, out on the campaign trail to show that they have morals and they're Christians, too.

02:44:33.000 So magically, about two weeks later, the Internal Revenue Service has been warning churches and non-profit organizations Listen, I'm gonna be quick.

02:44:40.000 whatever that means improper campaigning in the upcoming political season could endanger their tax-exempt status 501 c3 as we know it 15,000 organizations have been notified to not campaign in the 2004 election listen I'm gonna be quick The Bible says that there's an Israel of the spirit and who are they?

02:45:00.000 They're all born-again Christians and a little bit of study and I mean, that's Jew and Gentile alike.

02:45:05.000 Paul taught that there's no difference between a Jew and Gentile when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.

02:45:10.000 Period.

02:45:11.000 Now, those that profess to be Christians have to look at the Bible, not to be a pacifist or anything. 0.73

02:45:17.000 No, I'm a worker.

02:45:18.000 I'm spreading these things around.

02:45:19.000 I'm taking these VCRs and these DVDs around.

02:45:23.000 I'm telling everybody that, well, listen.

02:45:25.000 Now, we have to realize that we're fighting Spiritual warfare! 0.99

02:45:31.000 These people are demon possessed! 0.98

02:45:33.000 I believe that! 0.99

02:45:34.000 Well, I believe... Thank you, Les, and I think that probably encouraged a lot of people to hear you make those comments.

02:45:39.000 I believe that we need to put pressure on our pastors, on our church leaders, in order to start taking up and disseminating and at least discussing, having these discussions from the pulpit.

02:45:49.000 I believe it is part of spiritual warfare, personally, for myself.

02:45:53.000 I may not subscribe to the same doctrine as some of you folks, but I do believe that and I think it will put some pressure on these churches.

02:46:00.000 Get them to sign off the 501c3 or get them to stand up to the IRS and to the federal government.

02:46:05.000 I know we're going to see more changes.

02:46:07.000 Les, I appreciate the call and you keep the faith.

02:46:10.000 Ruth is calling in from North Carolina.

02:46:12.000 Ruth, thank you for calling.

02:46:13.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:46:14.000 Thank you, Jack.

02:46:17.000 I'm on the same subject that you just got through with.

02:46:21.000 I wish everyone, when they think about Israel, They would turn to Revelations and read Chapter 2, verse 9.

02:46:32.000 Chapter 3, verse 9.

02:46:35.000 To me, that is Israel.

02:46:38.000 Okay.

02:46:40.000 Anything else, Ruth?

02:46:41.000 That's it.

02:46:42.000 Thank you for putting that on the record.

02:46:43.000 Mike is calling from Texas.

02:46:45.000 Mike, thank you for calling.

02:46:46.000 You're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:46:47.000 Hey, I just want to say, first of all, I just hope all the liberals out there simply worship all things.

02:46:53.000 Clinton got a big dose of her.

02:46:55.000 Hillary Clinton's recent fierce drum and chest beating that was broadcast, and he was just screaming like a banshee for war.

02:47:01.000 I mean, this is the, oh, if we had a woman for president, there wouldn't be any wars. 1.00

02:47:06.000 I wonder what the Democrats make of it.

02:47:07.000 I mean, yesterday, again, two of the most public people in the world at a chummy breakfast, that being media mogul Rupert Murdoch and Senator Hillary Clinton, trying to keep their political get-together as secret as possible. 0.81

02:47:21.000 Working together!

02:47:22.000 I mean, this is just like the Republicans managing and financing Al Sharpton's campaign in the last go-around.

02:47:30.000 I know it's like when you find Andy Kaufman and the guy you're supposed to be wrestling against having a meeting backstage.

02:47:35.000 Another thing I wanted to say was regarding your call to people in the peace movement to do more than just send emails to friends and to get out on the streets.

02:47:43.000 I know you say you'd like to encourage websites.

02:47:45.000 I don't have one, but I'm saying I would like to take this opportunity to urge someone out there who has the wherewithal to make a website, to have a website bulletin board.

02:47:53.000 It could be called like March, this doesn't exist, but I'm saying like MarchDate.com or something that would have announcements about upcoming marches.

02:47:59.000 All the marches in one place.

02:48:01.000 You could just go to it and go, where's this week's march going to be?

02:48:04.000 It would be so much, if somebody could just make a website like that, believe me, I have the time to go march, I don't have the...

02:48:09.000 I have a computer.

02:48:10.000 It's not a bad idea though.

02:48:11.000 I will tell you this.

02:48:12.000 I mean, I put all the marches and all the events up on my website.

02:48:16.000 I know Alex does this as well.

02:48:18.000 I do?

02:48:18.000 Oh yeah.

02:48:19.000 I mean, you've got to file through some of the news.

02:48:21.000 They're not in one section.

02:48:22.000 Maybe we can do that for you.

02:48:24.000 Put them in one section.

02:48:25.000 I've got to tell you, I think we've got enough websites.

02:48:27.000 I think what we need to do is get people out there to promote the website and get out there and take action.

02:48:32.000 I mean, if we have two million websites, is it one million not enough?

02:48:35.000 I don't know the answer to that question.

02:48:37.000 But that's a good suggestion, Mike.

02:48:38.000 I appreciate it.

02:48:39.000 We'll come right back.

02:48:40.000 Finish up the program right after this, folks.

02:48:41.000 Stay tuned.

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02:53:18.000 We're going to go rapid fire here.

02:53:19.000 Three tail gunners.

02:53:20.000 All of them will share space, about 30 seconds each or so.

02:53:23.000 Put something on the record.

02:53:24.000 Tom in Georgia, you're up.

02:53:27.000 Yeah, I was listening to you guys last night with Webster Tarpley on the shortwave.

02:53:32.000 You were talking about how they're trying to stage this thing to get into an event with Iran.

02:53:36.000 Yeah.

02:53:37.000 Well, there was a Fox reporter yesterday after one of these missiles came in, just happened to have a handful of ball bearings.

02:53:45.000 And said, all these missiles, obviously with these ball bearings, came from Syria and Iran gave them to them.

02:53:51.000 That's a conspiracy theory, but it's nice how they get to use props, okay?

02:53:55.000 Thank you, Tom, for the call.

02:53:56.000 Let's go to Betty in Florida. 0.59

02:53:57.000 Betty, got about 30 seconds for you to put something on the record. 1.00

02:54:00.000 Yeah, Jack, I just want people to get out there and protest the REAL ID Act.

02:54:05.000 This is something that is going to become in effect in 2008.

02:54:10.000 A lot of people are not aware of it.

02:54:12.000 We can't just Um, talk about it or sit back and say it's terrible.

02:54:17.000 You need to get before your city councils if you can.

02:54:19.000 I've been speaking out.

02:54:21.000 I belong to Citizens Guarding Freedom, which I founded a few months ago.

02:54:24.000 I find it no problem to get on the agendas of every city in my county, and that's what I've been doing.

02:54:29.000 Betty, will you please write me at jackblood at hotmail.com.

02:54:32.000 Could you do that?

02:54:33.000 And give me your information.

02:54:34.000 I'll probably have you up as a guest on my program, because I agree with you.

02:54:37.000 These internal biometric passports are the beginning of the end, and certainly a line in the sand that we all have to draw. 0.77

02:54:43.000 I appreciate you putting that on the record.

02:54:44.000 Contact me, Betty, and I'll have you up on my show.

02:54:46.000 We'll talk about it a little bit more.

02:54:48.000 Ron in Texas, final caller for today.

02:54:50.000 Thank you for calling.

02:54:51.000 Put something on the record, Ron.

02:54:52.000 Well, I appreciate you and Alex both and everything you're trying to do.

02:54:56.000 Got three quick comments.

02:54:57.000 First of all, I think it's deplorable that our country has left all of our Americans over there with such a slow effort in trying to get them removed from Lebanon. 0.96

02:55:07.000 Second, I talked to a local preacher here and he told me he had to be discreet about who he told about it.

02:55:14.000 Third comment is that about ten days ago I called my congressman And left a message with him that it involved treason, and I still haven't heard from him.

02:55:24.000 Keep at him! 1.00

02:55:25.000 I will, sir.

02:55:26.000 Don't take no for an answer.

02:55:28.000 Be persistent.

02:55:29.000 Pretend like you're getting a job with the New World Order.

02:55:32.000 That's how they react to things.

02:55:34.000 You have to be persistent.

02:55:35.000 You have to be a little patient, and you have to be relentless.

02:55:39.000 Or vigilant, as President Bush liked to say.

02:55:42.000 Thank you for the call, Ron.

02:55:43.000 Thanks for everybody for listening.

02:55:45.000 Go out there.

02:55:46.000 Tell people about the Alex Jones Show.

02:55:47.000 Tell people about InfoWars.com.

02:55:49.000 Tell people about PrisonPlanet.com.

02:55:52.000 We are on the march.

02:55:53.000 The enemy is on the run.

02:55:54.000 Now get out there and fight the New World Order. 0.53

02:55:56.000 I'll see you in about six minutes.

Alex Jones Show - July 18, 2006

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