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00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

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00:00:23.000 Well, we're extremely honored to be joined by our guest.

00:00:31.000 He came to our attention a few months ago when he wrote a great article titled, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11th Bill Christensen.

00:00:40.000 And he joins us now.

00:00:41.000 We have time today.

00:00:42.000 We'll also take phone calls with our guest.

00:00:46.000 He's been a former member of Veterans for Intelligence and Sanity.

00:00:53.000 And Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA.

00:00:57.000 He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.

00:01:04.000 Since then, he has written numerous articles on U.S.

00:01:07.000 foreign policies, and we are joined by him now.

00:01:11.000 We have links on InfoWars.com, some of his recent writings, and we're, again, really honored that he's going to spend time with us.

00:01:18.000 Bill, thanks for coming on.

00:01:19.000 Well, listen, thank you for having me, very much.

00:01:24.000 I'm grieving for our country, the police state it's turning into, how the war on terror is being used to dismantle our Constitution, the drumbeat for war with Iran. 0.99

00:01:33.000 I want to get your take on all of that and why you've been questioning the official story of 9-11, but first, tell us about Bill Christensen.

00:01:40.000 Okay, I did work for the CIA for, oh my goodness, 28 and a half years or so, but I've been long retired.

00:01:50.000 Retired in 1979.

00:01:53.000 And I have to confess to something.

00:01:55.000 I'm a neophyte in this entire business of studying and comprehending, trying to comprehend better, what happened on September 11, 2001.

00:02:08.000 And I have to confess to you, and I know you are one of those who has worked his heart out on this issue a lot longer than I have, and you probably know a lot

00:02:21.000 A lot more about it than I do, but up to half a year ago, I just wasn't buying any of the concepts that you and a number of others have been urging and advocating, because I just couldn't conceive that this country had any elements in its government

00:02:48.000 that would contribute to what happened on September 11 or caused it to happen or allow it to happen.

00:02:59.000 Use any words you want to use.

00:03:01.000 And ultimately, just about half a year ago, I decided, well, too many people are talking about this for me to sort of sit here in my little ivory tower and say, I don't believe it.

00:03:17.000 And that's when I really began to study and read and it took me some mental agony and it took me probably the better part of the last half year to change my mind.

00:03:32.000 But I have in fact changed my mind.

00:03:35.000 There is simply so much evidence available today

00:03:41.000 That the official story that the government of the United States and the 9-11 Commission that issued this 500-plus page report, almost the length of a Bible I suppose, a couple of years ago, there is just so much evidence that many parts of this official story are simply wrong and don't match with the facts that

00:04:10.000 You know, I'm not pleased or proud with my own activity over the last half dozen years, over five years since September 11th, that it took me this long to wise up.

00:04:26.000 Well, here we are.

00:04:27.000 Exactly, but it's sad.

00:04:28.000 I mean, have you ever started Getting a few tears in your eyes when you really began to face this?

00:04:35.000 Oh my God, yes indeed!

00:04:37.000 How can you do otherwise?

00:04:39.000 I've broken down many times late at night doing research.

00:04:43.000 Because believe me, I wish it wasn't true either.

00:04:47.000 None of our families are safe.

00:04:48.000 Our whole country's basically gone.

00:04:51.000 Stay with us, sir.

00:04:51.000 We're going to come back and talk about your journey of awakening.

00:04:54.000 I think this is very important.

00:04:56.000 Stay with us, sir.

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00:08:46.000 Bill Christensen is our guest.

00:08:49.000 And for stations that just joined us, I want to recap some of the things that we just talked about today.

00:08:55.000 Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA, Central Intelligence Agency.

00:08:59.000 He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.

00:09:07.000 And he has been writing and lecturing for many years and doing a lot of radio interviews on the subject of our foreign policy.

00:09:14.000 But in the last six months, he has begun to research 9-11.

00:09:17.000 He couldn't bring himself to believe that the official story could be a fraud.

00:09:20.000 He just talked about that in the last segment.

00:09:22.000 And this is the first time he's gone public on radio with the serious concerns that he has concerning an inside job.

00:09:30.000 And we're extremely honored that he's chosen to do that here with us today.

00:09:33.000 And we appreciate his patriotism in defense of this republic.

00:09:37.000 Sir, this is a longer segment, so we've got more time.

00:09:40.000 Can you go back through and then expand on your awakening process, where you began to research?

00:09:45.000 where you began to look at the official story and discover that it was a fable.

00:09:49.000 And then I want to tie it into the Iraq War.

00:09:52.000 And we talked during the break, and we discussed how 9-11 has really been a foundational event for the entire geopolitical strategy that's being carried out by the neocons and their corporate owners and handlers.

00:10:07.000 So you've got the floor, sir.

00:10:08.000 Please break it down for us.

00:10:10.000 Well, listen, thanks a lot for the opportunity.

00:10:12.000 Anyway, though, I spent the first four and a half years after September 11 just not willing to believe in the possibility that the story, the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 could in any way be I just wasn't going to believe that about our own Government.

00:10:42.000 And ultimately, just about half a year ago, it dawned on me that not only was I trying to avoid an issue that might be extraordinarily important, more important than any other issue affecting U.S.

00:10:58.000 policies, but that I hadn't even been studying the issue because I just decided it couldn't be true, so therefore, don't waste your time on it, Bill.

00:11:11.000 So I started to spend my time on it about half a year ago, and a few people whom I knew encouraged me to do that.

00:11:20.000 A lot of people told me they thought I was ridiculous to be wasting my time on that, but I have since decided that the, and this is after a good deal of heartache on my part, and a good deal of

00:11:40.000 Wondering how this country could have gone so badly wrong when I then came to see that at least some elements in this U.S.

00:11:54.000 government of ours had contributed in some way or other to causing 9-11 to happen, or at least allowing it to happen, making it easier for it to happen,

00:12:10.000 Making sure it happened in a way that would be very, very impressive to the world at large and would, in fact, be seen as another Pearl Harbor type of event that changed everything about the United States 65 years ago. 0.94

00:12:28.000 Did your decision to really start researching 9-11 six months ago, Mr. Christensen, did that come as an epiphany or was it a process?

00:12:36.000 And can you describe that process?

00:12:40.000 Yeah, well, I guess when you use the word epiphany you mean it's something that sort of happens instantly or overnight or something like that.

00:12:51.000 So I'm not using that word epiphany, but just simply the more that I read about and tried to understand everything that had happened on 9-11 and saw

00:13:09.000 All the objections to the official story that people such as you and a number of others who had really been working sort of in the wilderness on this for the whole time since September 11, or shortly thereafter, the more I began to read and study, the more I discovered that I just had to conclude, yes indeed, there were

00:13:39.000 Parts, at least parts, of the official story issued by the U.S.

00:13:44.000 government and issued by the long, over 500 page report of the 9-11 Commission, there were parts of those official stories.

00:13:57.000 That simply did not jive with the facts.

00:13:59.000 Well, you're right.

00:14:00.000 If you study the official story, they constantly change their story, they lie, and there's hundreds of points.

00:14:07.000 The FBI grabbing the flight recorders and telling the firemen that found it to shut up, ordering the FAA to shred tapes, public officials warn not to fly, NORAD, Clearly standing down.

00:14:18.000 Cheney in control.

00:14:19.000 Two months before taking the shoot-down powers away from NORAD for the first time since NORAD was set up.

00:14:25.000 CIA-connected insider trading.

00:14:28.000 All the Bin Laden connections. 0.92

00:14:30.000 The bizarre collapses of Tower 1, 2, and 7.

00:14:35.000 I mean, there's this whole field of questions.

00:14:37.000 Then we have the PMAC documents where Cheney and others are writing that we need a helpful Pearl Harbor event, a catalyzing event.

00:14:45.000 Brzezinski's saying it.

00:14:46.000 We've now discovered An Air Force document from 97, Gulliver's prevails where they're saying we need a massive terror attack in 2002 to unify the US for global empire.

00:15:01.000 I mean, what was it out of that field?

00:15:03.000 And of course there's hundreds of other points.

00:15:05.000 I guess my question is first, You've been denying it, avoiding it, not looking at it.

00:15:10.000 What did you first see, or when did you finally say, okay, I'll look at it, and then what was that process like, and what were the points that were really most important to you?

00:15:18.000 You know, I guess the very first thing that made me really wonder was, and this is, I suppose, kind of elementary to you, but the size of the hole that was made in the Pentagon.

00:15:34.000 And there was a picture in the New York Times the very next day, September 12th of 2001.

00:15:41.000 And so I guess that was point number one with me.

00:15:51.000 Now this is just sort of coincidence, I suppose.

00:15:54.000 Which issue do you look at first?

00:15:57.000 And then when you begin to read all of the details, and by the way, I have to tell you that David Gray Griffin's books have been an immense help to me because he has done a very careful job of writing this up and his views have gradually grown stronger from his first book to the current one, which I had just completed.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, he's now saying clearly an inside job.

00:16:29.000 Well, yeah, I know, I know he is, and he's gotten, his views have become stronger, and you just have to look at that guy, and you know he is not a fly-by-night analyst by any stretch of the imagination.

00:16:46.000 He probably has the kind of personality which does everything with great care and caution.

00:16:52.000 That's kind of my reading of him.

00:16:55.000 And so, in any case, His stuff has had some influence on me.

00:17:04.000 But, you know, after what happened at the Pentagon, you begin to read up on the evidence behind the belief that the reason the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions.

00:17:27.000 Rather than just being hit by two airplanes and that there's a third building that the 9-11 Commission apparently never even mentioned that also collapsed all the way to ground.

00:17:42.000 And all of the characteristics of these explosions show that they almost had to be controlled

00:17:56.000 rather than something that happened because they're hit by an airplane and here you have one of the three buildings that collapsed not hit by any airplane so that was number two and then you start looking at all the NORAD stuff and the way the 9-11 commission handled the hour and 45 minutes or so when not a single one of these planes according to the official story Was it ever intercepted?

00:18:28.000 Maybe Flight 93 was intercepted in Western Pennsylvania, but this kind of evidence just builds and builds and builds.

00:18:43.000 I think some of the strongest, Mr. Christensen, is that we know that U.S.

00:18:47.000 Embassy heads were told to let some of the supposed hijackers, including Ada, back in.

00:18:51.000 When they wouldn't let them in, they got calls from the State Department saying that their terror listings were covers for covert operations.

00:19:00.000 They were involved in anti-terror operations.

00:19:02.000 Then we have all these news articles with them being trained in covert operations at U.S.

00:19:06.000 military bases.

00:19:07.000 I mean, that is really strong.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right, and there are, as I started this off by saying, I was a neophyte compared to you and a number of other people, and that's absolutely true.

00:19:21.000 I know out there, because I've heard of it, that there are a lot of things I haven't even studied yet.

00:19:29.000 Well let me be clear on this Bill, you're here because you're a great former CIA analyst, and it's a story of your courage now going public, and another example, another prominent person who has a prestigious past looking at the evidence and questioning it very strongly.

00:19:48.000 So listen, you are not a neophyte.

00:19:52.000 We appreciate you coming to the table and looking at the evidence.

00:19:56.000 We're going to come right back.

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00:24:16.000 We're going to open the phones up for our guest, Bill Christensen, former senior official of the CIA.

00:24:22.000 He was National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement.

00:24:30.000 And he wouldn't look at 9-11 for four years.

00:24:34.000 And then six, seven months ago, he began to research it and didn't like what he found.

00:24:38.000 Believe me, I don't like it either.

00:24:39.000 I try to war game against myself in our research.

00:24:42.000 I try to disprove it.

00:24:45.000 Believe me, I don't want to think this is true.

00:24:47.000 I love our country.

00:24:48.000 I don't want to think a bunch of psychopathic killers are in control.

00:24:51.000 But when you look at Operation Northwoods and PNAC documents, and then you look at all the evidence, physical on 9-11, there's no other.

00:24:59.000 I mean, if you really rationally study it, which I've done for thousands of hours over the years, it is horrifying.

00:25:07.000 I've made three films on the subject, and I've written a book on the subject, and it's just terrible.

00:25:14.000 Mr. Christensen, also, I want to get your take on, we've been lied to about WMDs, the documents have come out, White House memo that they premeditatedly lied, not just Downing Street memo.

00:25:24.000 We know that over three trillion dollars is missing from the Pentagon in the last seven years, and I've seen congressional testimony where Rumsfeld says, we're not going to tell you where it is.

00:25:34.000 There is mass no-bid contract looting going on.

00:25:38.000 There are all sorts of scandals going on, but I mean, really, I see a dictatorship forming here, but we've been lied to so many times in the past by these people, and they've done so many horrible things, and they've lied us into war that's killed 3,000 U.S.

00:25:53.000 troops now, more than died on 9-11.

00:25:55.000 I mean, it's not much of a stretch from the get-go to believe that criminal elements of our government wouldn't be involved in 9-11.

00:26:02.000 No, and you simply have to ask yourself, where did all this come from?

00:26:11.000 You almost have to answer your own question now.

00:26:15.000 Well, it came from the events of 9-11.

00:26:18.000 And even if there is only a 10% chance that elements of the U.S.

00:26:26.000 government were involved in contributing to 9-11, making sure that those events worked more effectively than they might have otherwise

00:26:39.000 It is just appalling the conclusion you come to that elements within our own government are responsible not only for the deaths that occurred on September 11, but responsible for terribly bad policies throughout the entire

00:27:03.000 Middle East and those policies are still being pursued and all of this is going to hurt the United States of America. 0.74

00:27:12.000 Very badly, and not just a few years to come, but in decades to come.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, it's destroying our good name, our economy, but it's good for the oil companies and the arms manufacturers, and they're international.

00:27:25.000 They don't care about this country.

00:27:27.000 They're the ones signing on to the North American Union right now, trying to get rid of the country itself.

00:27:33.000 Mr. Christensen, before we go to break, I want to get your personal view, though.

00:27:37.000 Clearly, you've done the research you've said on air.

00:27:39.000 The official story is a fraud.

00:27:41.000 We know who had the motive for 9-11.

00:27:44.000 But as David Ray Griffin has said, when you then look at all the facts and lay them side by side, a very clear picture emerges of not just letting it happen or aiding it.

00:27:55.000 The evidence emerges that this was coordinated and clearly run out of the bowels of a quasi-private slash governmental black operations, black world system. 0.86

00:28:06.000 Give us your view with a You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.

00:28:12.000 say the four or five scenarios that Griffin uses, he says he believes it's the latter, pure inside job.

00:28:18.000 What do you think with all the evidence laid in the end? - You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.

00:28:31.000 I can conceive of a situation, and this is where we need, we just need more evidence, but it's gonna come out.

00:28:40.000 I can conceive of a situation where we, the U.S.

00:28:46.000 government, learned in advance that September 11 was going to take place.

00:28:52.000 And instead of instigating the whole thing, the U.S.

00:28:56.000 government, or elements in the U.S.

00:28:58.000 government, who are nameless at this point, took the information That this was going to happen and made sure by their own actions that it happened in the most effective way possible.

00:29:20.000 So greasing the skids and ordering the FBI and Army Intelligence and the CIA to back off and leave the people alone?

00:29:28.000 And ordering the Air Force somehow to not go after these planes and Uh, the whole business of the three billion dollars, I'm sorry, the three trillion dollars... Stay there, stay there.

00:29:44.000 Let's talk about it.

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00:34:12.000 The reason it's so important To spread the word about 9-11 is because when you consciously realize that cold-blooded killers are in control and have seized control, have hijacked our government, elements of our government, and are using it to domestically set up a police state, to internationally turn us into an empire and invade foreign countries, and then hand over the seized assets to multinational corporations.

00:34:40.000 When you realize that, you understand that we're trying to save lives here, the lives of our troops, The bodies of our troops, you know, countless others being wounded and maimed and triple and double and quad amputees.

00:34:53.000 At the same time, justice for those that have been killed.

00:34:56.000 The media loves to... I had the BBC here last week and they're like, what about the victims' families?

00:35:00.000 They don't like what you're saying!

00:35:03.000 And I say to them, I've interviewed many of the victims' family members here.

00:35:07.000 I've interviewed the heads of the biggest groups, like Bill Doyle of the biggest group, 7,000 plus family members.

00:35:13.000 And he believes it's an inside job.

00:35:15.000 He said the majority of his group does.

00:35:17.000 So again, when the media tries that, come back at them with the truth.

00:35:20.000 Those dead deserve for the true individuals that helped orchestrate this to be brought to justice.

00:35:28.000 And we're not safe, folks.

00:35:29.000 The same people that will carry out a terror attack will take your pension funds.

00:35:33.000 The same people that will carry out a terror attack will stage other terror attacks to expand their control.

00:35:39.000 I mean, Bush is openly talking about dictatorship.

00:35:42.000 He's openly talking about FEMA camps and the Houston Chronicle.

00:35:45.000 They're openly talking about total control.

00:35:47.000 We are literally Going down the road towards Hitler's Germany, or the East Germans, or Stalin. 0.73

00:35:54.000 And that is the norm in human history.

00:35:56.000 Freedom and liberty is a precious, precious rare commodity.

00:36:00.000 Now I'm up here preaching.

00:36:01.000 I want to go back to our guest, Bill Christensen.

00:36:03.000 But Bill, and of course you're a former big-time analyst for the CIA, heading up one of their entire research divisions.

00:36:11.000 But putting your analytical skills and your analysis skills to work here, Not just internationally, but the domestic police state we see unfolding and the announcements by the mouthpieces on Fox News that people who criticize the government are really traitors and should be arrested.

00:36:25.000 I'm a traitor. 0.99

00:36:27.000 I should be arrested and shot. 1.00

00:36:29.000 I'm probably Al Qaeda. 1.00

00:36:30.000 Stuff like this.

00:36:31.000 I mean, can you comment just on the overall atmosphere and what our country's turned into?

00:36:36.000 Yeah, you know, you just have to sometimes stick your neck out.

00:36:40.000 And that's what you have done.

00:36:45.000 Others have done a lot longer than I have, and I admire you for doing it, and I'm sorry I've been so slow in doing it.

00:36:54.000 The fact is, as we were talking a little bit earlier, David Griffin believes this ball is totally an inside job.

00:37:05.000 I've got to say, I think that is the most likely possibility, too.

00:37:09.000 I would say some of the people involved, obviously, May have had some subsidiary motives like the man in New York who owned a Building 7 and had a lease on the other two and had a great big new insurance policy that he had bought just a little bit before what happened on September 7th.

00:37:32.000 7 plus billion, yeah.

00:37:34.000 Yeah, and then there at the Pentagon, $2.3 trillion somehow Lost and very conveniently all of the evidence of that seems to have been Have been damaged or totally ruined?

00:37:53.000 I mean, let's talk about those numbers.

00:37:54.000 It was a trillion-something when Bush got into office.

00:37:57.000 Now it's a couple more trillion.

00:37:58.000 The Pentagon argues about, you know, whether it's 2.5 or 3.5.

00:38:02.000 And now some reports, but I have AP reports, you know, saying over 2 trillion from last year.

00:38:07.000 Reports from five years, six years ago.

00:38:10.000 Oregonian reporting on it.

00:38:11.000 And I've watched the congressional hearings.

00:38:14.000 I mean, when we're talking about trillions missing, Again, they're not even getting in trouble for that.

00:38:18.000 Can you speak to that?

00:38:19.000 This is just an appalling amount that really ought to be unbelievable.

00:38:27.000 But you have to say, there is evidence that that is indeed the case.

00:38:35.000 This is what I meant by a subsidiary motive that some of these guys must have had.

00:38:41.000 Well you know that was breaking the week before and there was a huge scandal and then 9-11 took place.

00:38:47.000 It was starting to break and I think somebody simply decided to capitalize knowing that 9-11 was going to happen and maybe was already being instigated by the U.S.

00:39:00.000 or maybe the U.S.

00:39:01.000 just taking advantage of it.

00:39:02.000 I'm not sure on this.

00:39:03.000 I think Probably the total inside job is the most likely possibility, but I'm just holding my judgment on that.

00:39:13.000 And by U.S., let's be clear here, and of course you've studied this as well, compartmentalized black ops contracting out to private agencies?

00:39:21.000 Yeah, indeed.

00:39:23.000 Indeed.

00:39:23.000 There's obviously a whale of a lot of that going on, and that never happened in my time when I was officially working.

00:39:32.000 I'm really pretty much of an old geezer these days, but this privatization of so much of the intelligence establishment, so much of the military establishment, just opens up greater possibilities for fraud.

00:39:53.000 I don't see how we're saving any money by going that route, frankly.

00:39:57.000 We're not.

00:39:58.000 We're spending more money than ever.

00:40:00.000 I think that is probably correct on that.

00:40:06.000 Bill Christensen, where do you think this incredible hubris, this unbelievable arrogance comes from by these people running the system?

00:40:15.000 And do you think that that is basically their Achilles heel?

00:40:19.000 Do you think they've overplayed their hand?

00:40:21.000 Yes.

00:40:22.000 Oh, I sure do.

00:40:23.000 Except that they're gambling that they're going to win.

00:40:27.000 And the next step is very likely to be an attack on Iraq, either nuclear or non-nuclear. 0.77

00:40:36.000 And we, you and I, can't sit here and say for sure.

00:40:40.000 We know they've overextended themselves.

00:40:43.000 They can't win this.

00:40:45.000 We don't, you and I, at least I, don't really have a good feel If we have a group of people willing to actually use nuclear weapons on Iran, introducing an entire new element into the situation, crossing this massive threshold of using nuclear weapons... Super Rubicon!

00:41:12.000 Super, super, super duper Rubicon!

00:41:15.000 Absolutely!

00:41:16.000 And neither you nor I can sit here and say, We know for sure that the arrogant guys who are doing this are sure to lose.

00:41:27.000 You and I, at least I, can't say that.

00:41:30.000 I hope they're going to lose, and I think they're going to lose, and they're going to create a world of such chaos that in the end, yes, they will lose.

00:41:42.000 But the thing is, if they lose only over a long period of time, And kill thousands upon thousands of people in the process because they think shock and awe is the way to go.

00:41:56.000 All shock and awe is is the U.S.

00:41:59.000 form of terrorism, let's face it.

00:42:02.000 Let me bring up another point here.

00:42:06.000 There are some encouraging things happening.

00:42:08.000 We have a whole bunch of top generals, even former Republicans, going public saying this is sheer madness.

00:42:13.000 We have large sections of the elite, even at globalist meetings like the Bilderberg Group, yelling at each other across the tables.

00:42:20.000 For the first time in history, there's a major split, even in the Anglo-American power axis.

00:42:26.000 And take Cy Hirsch and even the Times of London.

00:42:30.000 We have so many whistleblowers that within days, Of Cheney having a meeting with the top Israeli brass saying Bush wants us to be a curtain raiser for war with Iran within days.

00:42:41.000 It gets out.

00:42:43.000 So that shows that people at the highest levels are leaking right now at a great danger to themselves with the NSA's snooping arms aimed at them.

00:42:52.000 Can you speak to that?

00:42:54.000 I think that is another Achilles heel that there are so many people Unnamed, who aren't going public like yourself, who are in the mechanisms, in the machinery of power that are going to blow the whistle.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, listen, it's a big weakness.

00:43:09.000 Absolutely right.

00:43:10.000 But, you know what the biggest problem we face is?

00:43:14.000 It's the, what seems to be, just plain apathy of most of the American people who have to get out there and vote.

00:43:23.000 And we have not yet.

00:43:28.000 Broken through, and been able to affect this apathy very much.

00:43:34.000 And I don't know if you have actually read it yet, but if you haven't, get a hold of it.

00:43:40.000 The text of the speech that Bush just gave yesterday, I mean, he is talking about widening this war right in this speech that he gave yesterday.

00:43:54.000 Well, isn't it a Ponzi scheme, sir?

00:43:56.000 Because, you know, we see this with Hitler. 0.80

00:43:58.000 He starts losing in England, losing in North Africa.

00:44:01.000 So he ups the ante and turns east, taking the path of Operation Barbarossa.

00:44:09.000 Well, it's the same thing here.

00:44:11.000 In fact, their own strategy papers have leaked out, even from the RNC, who I guess now is planning war.

00:44:16.000 They have no expertise, but they're doing it, saying, we need to go ahead and go into Iran, escalate things into national conscription.

00:44:23.000 They're spinning it and calling it national service, changing the name, saying it's not a draft.

00:44:28.000 I mean, absolutely.

00:44:30.000 They've got their back against the wall again, so in the Ponzi scheme they've got to blow it up even larger.

00:44:35.000 They've got their back against the wall and they're already starting to blow it up larger.

00:44:42.000 And we ought to, right now, today and every single day, be out there in the streets and just raising holy hell

00:44:56.000 about this because you know you can say okay Hitler actually had to lose once he started the invasion of Soviet Union but the fact is millions and millions of people died in the process of that and one of the things we ought to be doing is out there trying to stop the same thing from happening we are going to have another world war 0.82

00:45:25.000 Very likely, if the United States and or Israel, or the two of them combined, start a bigger war, even if it's not nuclear, it's going to be a bigger war.

00:45:41.000 Iran, as I'm sure you know, has a population of 70 million people.

00:45:48.000 It's not like Iraq. 0.98

00:45:50.000 It's not like Syria. 0.99

00:45:52.000 And they've been building up their weapons for the last...

00:45:56.000 15, 16 years since the Iran-Iraq war ended.

00:45:58.000 They weren't bombed into stone age as Iraq was in 1991.

00:46:04.000 I hope people realize we literally stand at the crossroads, at the threshold of history right now, the next two months to the next year, but sooner rather than later, many analysts believe.

00:46:14.000 We are literally on the precipice.

00:46:16.000 You have a chance to stop World War III. 0.90

00:46:19.000 That's exactly what we have a chance to do and we better work on it.

00:46:25.000 With so many analysts, the majority of analysts, globally, not just in the US, and people inside the administration saying, back off, don't do it.

00:46:34.000 I mean, even if they just do a conventional bombardment of the 214 sites in Iran, all of the mainstream oil analysts are saying that we're going to see $6 a gallon gas for at least four or five months.

00:46:47.000 If that happens, it is the mainstream analysis that we're going to go into a violent recession that could spiral into stagflation and possible depression.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, and you know, as well as I do, The oil companies of this country and the world really don't want that.

00:47:05.000 That is, all of these people who go around saying, we're doing this for oil, well, in a very indirect sense, we're doing it to get more control of the world's energy supplies.

00:47:19.000 I understand that, everybody understands that, but the oil companies don't want war with Iran any more than You and I want it. 0.77

00:47:28.000 In fact, Baker and Bush Jr.

00:47:30.000 have even gone over, and I believe this information has come out and told them, back off, but the neocons aren't. 0.69

00:47:36.000 I mean, they are, well I've talked to a lot of people who've worked with them, Ray McGovern and many others, I don't know how much you've worked with them, but I mean, these people really are nutcases.

00:47:46.000 They're not backing off at all, and we cannot sit here, you and I, and say, we know that They're going to lose this if they do start this war because we don't know what effect a major nuclear attack would have.

00:48:07.000 By the way, Israel has ordered the missiles with the bunker-busting tips that are designed to have many nukes put in their warheads.

00:48:17.000 That is mainstream news.

00:48:19.000 And Bush has put out an open study and says they are considering the thermal nuclear bombardment of Iran.

00:48:24.000 And the Israelis have some submarines that can handle at least some types of nuclear weapons that they probably have.

00:48:37.000 A cruise missile launch from those German subs. 0.61

00:48:42.000 What is Israel thinking?

00:48:43.000 I mean, this is crazy!

00:48:47.000 Well, look, I'm dead sure that there are people both in our own military-industrial complex and people in the smaller but still very powerful and large Israeli military-industrial complex who work closely together, day after day, month after month.

00:49:07.000 This, right now, is joint U.S.-Israeli policy.

00:49:13.000 And they're doing it for profit.

00:49:19.000 They're doing it because they think this is the way to maximize their own profits.

00:49:26.000 That's right.

00:49:27.000 If they start World War III, the Allied Defense contractors, hardware manufacturers are going to be able to steer even more of the economy through their coppers and then use the domestic police state in the name of security to then also service all those contracts.

00:49:44.000 So they enslave us, they enslave the world, and then they make the profits off of the domestic police state as well.

00:49:52.000 And eventually they lose because no empire is going to last long in this day and age in the world today When the world is so much smaller than it used to be in terms of communications, the way you can spend money... Why do you think the government... Well, I agree.

00:50:10.000 Why do you think the government is spending more money than all presidents before it combined?

00:50:13.000 I mean, it's as if they know the economy's going to implode, the bubble's going to pop, and they're trying to get all they can now.

00:50:20.000 God knows. 0.97

00:50:21.000 As you say, in some ways these guys are crazy.

00:50:26.000 And we, I can't say this, and I know I'm repeating myself, I can't say it more than that we've got to get out there and somehow turn aside this apathy that most people in this country seem to have on this. 0.84

00:50:45.000 Well, we've had it too good, too long, and decadent, fat countries always get taken over by dictators, and people always pay for their apathy.

00:50:56.000 We'll come back and take some calls for our guest, an incredible interview.

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00:53:59.000 They railed against the crown.

00:54:09.000 I failed against the...

00:54:11.000 Another ragtag band.

00:54:13.000 The problem is the analysts are telling the black ops squads that they're not going to get away with this.

00:54:19.000 But just like Hitler's generals told him he shouldn't go east, the neocons are in control and they're going forward.

00:54:27.000 And we have got to put our full weight against the machine to stop this.

00:54:31.000 We'll keep our esteemed guests for five minutes into the next hour.

00:54:34.000 We'll try to go to all your calls right now.

00:54:37.000 Andrew in Canada, then Rob, Robert, Josh and others.

00:54:39.000 Go ahead Andrew, you're on the air with Bill Christensen, retired senior CIA analyst.

00:54:45.000 Hi, I first want to commend Mr. Christensen for coming out and having the courage to talk about this.

00:54:53.000 I would just like to know if he talked about this with others and what were their response to him and also what would he say to the CIA or NSA that are listening right now to this radio show and also if he could talk about what would happen to the CIA that might have been involved and if they talk about classified missions and I'll let you guys answer.

00:55:17.000 Thanks.

00:55:18.000 Sure, thank you.

00:55:19.000 Yeah, listen, I appreciate your comments.

00:55:23.000 And the first thing you've got to understand is I've been retired for a lot of years.

00:55:31.000 I've been out of Washington since 1979 and don't really want to go back there either.

00:55:40.000 But all I can really say is that there is so much money now sloshing around Throughout not only the CIA, but the intelligence components of the Defense Department, which are actually bigger than the CIA.

00:56:00.000 The CIA is quite small.

00:56:02.000 Well, in comparison with the amount of money spent, yes, it is really amazingly small, but the fact is there's so much money around that these guys can do Almost anything they want these days.

00:56:22.000 Now, this is, again, I haven't been there for a lot of years.

00:56:26.000 This is my speculation, my belief.

00:56:29.000 No more than that.

00:56:30.000 I don't have a lot of facts.

00:56:31.000 Well, yeah, when you've got trillions missing, I mean, that's a lot of power.

00:56:35.000 But let me be clear on this.

00:56:36.000 We have talked to a lot of CIA people.

00:56:38.000 I interview a lot of them on separate subjects.

00:56:41.000 People who've just gotten out in the last few years.

00:56:44.000 And they will tell you they believe 9-11 is an inside job, but say they can't go public.

00:56:49.000 They say, well, I'm going to fight this system on other issues.

00:56:52.000 I can't go public on this because we would be discredited.

00:56:55.000 And I know, Bill, I would imagine some of the groups you've been involved in, I'm sure you've heard that.

00:57:01.000 Of course I have.

00:57:02.000 But the fact is, we have got to be willing to be discredited.

00:57:06.000 We have got to be willing to stick our necks out.

00:57:09.000 This is just plain too important.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, somebody's got to hit the barbed wire.

00:57:14.000 And I'll tell you one thing more.

00:57:18.000 Probably the reason I'm willing right now to stick my neck out is one, I've been retired for a long time, I got no more kids to go through college, I got no more big expenses in my life, I have no desire to go any higher in my status in life or be any richer than I am right now.

00:57:42.000 It's easy, it's easy for me at my age To stick my neck out?

00:57:48.000 Well, I think it's easier, but let's be clear here.

00:57:51.000 The path we're going down is certain wreck and ruin if we don't go public.

00:57:56.000 And I want people inside government who rationalize, who make excuses for themselves, who have seen things that deep down you know it's an inside job.

00:58:04.000 I want to ask you something.

00:58:05.000 I mean, do you really think you're safe and this culture is safe when you're part of a system that's doing this?

00:58:11.000 Really, the safe course is to fight this, isn't it Bill?

00:58:14.000 Well, I think so.

00:58:16.000 I think that's the truth today, but it's very hard to persuade people of that.

00:58:21.000 And all you can do is try like hell to make your own mind up what you have to do to change the government in our own country.

00:58:34.000 Exactly.

00:58:35.000 We've got murderers in control.

00:58:36.000 They must be resisted.

00:58:37.000 Come hell or high water, we'll be right back.

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00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 Hi, welcome ladies and gentlemen. welcome ladies and gentlemen.

00:59:34.000 We are now into the third hour.

00:59:37.000 Yesterday, while I was on air, my producer walked in and handed me an article titled, 9-11 Bush Bashers.

00:59:44.000 And it said, after debating these characters extensively, I believe people need to know who they really are.

00:59:51.000 And he's Jonathan Mosley, and I think people should know who he is.

00:59:56.000 And he has the courage to come on and face us today.

00:59:59.000 He told me he appreciated my courage having him on.

01:00:03.000 Hey, a man on the right doesn't have to have courage.

01:00:06.000 He's just as right and that's the way it is.

01:00:09.000 He says in here that Professor Stephen Jones, and we've reviewed the tape.

01:00:14.000 We haven't found it.

01:00:15.000 Maybe he's watching something different we haven't seen.

01:00:18.000 And now it's been reviewed by others and they're saying it's not there.

01:00:22.000 That he supposedly called for violent overthrow of the U.S.

01:00:24.000 government.

01:00:25.000 There's a lot of other stuff in here that I think needs to be addressed.

01:00:29.000 Mr. Mosley, thanks for coming on with us.

01:00:31.000 Hi, how are you doing?

01:00:32.000 I am doing really good.

01:00:33.000 Tell us a little bit about yourself and your association with the publishing company that put out the Swift boats, Captain Boat Forest.

01:00:43.000 Can you tell us about that?

01:00:44.000 Well, yeah, I wrote the book proposal, for instance, for Command to get that published because it's actually owned by my brother-in-law.

01:00:52.000 Um, the, uh, one of his authors was Barbara Olson, um, who was killed at the Pentagon on Flight 77.

01:00:58.000 The Solicitor General's wife, yeah.

01:01:01.000 Right.

01:01:02.000 And, you know, I, uh, she was at, I went to her funeral with, uh, Ted Olson and his family.

01:01:09.000 It's a good move, personalizing it.

01:01:11.000 Personalize it as if it's with your argument, then implying.

01:01:15.000 In fact, that's how you open your article, Crafty.

01:01:17.000 It says in here that we profane the memory of the 3,000 victims.

01:01:22.000 Go ahead, you have the floor.

01:01:23.000 Tell us how we profane their memory.

01:01:26.000 Because we have a foreign enemy who has attacked us, and has been attacking us since 1979, and hit the World Trade Center in 1993, and tells us they want to kill us again and again.

01:01:35.000 And instead of Um, looking at the people who really killed them, uh, we, they want to use it for a political point to, uh, to bash George Bush and, and blame our country.

01:01:46.000 You know, it's awfully easy to talk about technicalities.

01:01:48.000 Well, you think, well, I mean, let's start with that.

01:01:50.000 Well, let's start with that, sir.

01:01:51.000 Uh, Jonathan.

01:01:54.000 You say that it's Bush-bashers, and then you talk about how it's liberals.

01:01:58.000 Did you know that actually, I've looked at it, most people that believe 9-11 is an inside job are actually conservatives?

01:02:04.000 Well, most people I've talked to, I would have a hard time believing that, because the argument is invariably degenerate.

01:02:12.000 Well, but see, Bush is no conservative, sir.

01:02:15.000 I mean, out of the gate, you're claiming he's a conservative, when by every yardstick, he's not a conservative.

01:02:21.000 Well, that could be.

01:02:23.000 The issue here isn't whether it's okay to bash Bush or not.

01:02:26.000 My point is that they're certainly not looking for the truth.

01:02:30.000 The whole movement here is, we want to know the truth about 9-11.

01:02:33.000 And my argument is, no, you don't.

01:02:35.000 Because you go from questions to conclusions without anything in between.

01:02:40.000 And because you keep changing your story.

01:02:44.000 Mr. Mosley, you can go out and find crazy people that think no planes hit the towers and then try to strawman claim them that we, quote, keep changing our story.

01:02:53.000 I haven't changed my story from before 9-11.

01:02:55.000 And I asked you yesterday, I said, have you heard of Operation Northwoods?

01:03:00.000 And you said that you had heard me talk about it, but that you didn't know about it.

01:03:04.000 Shouldn't you go find out if my claim about an official U.S.

01:03:07.000 government document to carry out 9-11 style attacks, shouldn't you go find out if that exists or you just decide that doesn't exist?

01:03:14.000 Well, I don't believe it exists, but I think that most of the argument here is the fallacy of the possible.

01:03:21.000 You say because it could have happened, therefore it did.

01:03:24.000 No, sir, you just said you don't believe Northwoods exists, but you're not going to investigate it.

01:03:28.000 Well, I could, but how would, you know, do you... My dear Congress, sir, it is ABC News, ABC News, Baltimore Sun, declassified in April of 2000.

01:03:38.000 Stay there, sir.

01:03:40.000 Let's go through it piece by piece.

01:03:41.000 I'm going to give you a minute, then I'll take a minute.

01:03:43.000 I've got my atomic clock right here.

01:03:44.000 I'll try to be fair.

01:03:46.000 Stay with us.

01:03:47.000 We appreciate you joining us.

01:03:48.000 We appreciate you joining us.

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01:08:45.000 And then you've got the well-meaning folks out there.

01:08:47.000 Like Jonathan Mosley, who joins us now.

01:08:51.000 Mr. Mosley, you've got the floor, you've written this big article, 9-1-1 Bush-bashers.

01:08:55.000 Tell us how we're all wrong, tell us why we're smirching, profaning, to use your language, the memory of the 3,000 dead on 9-11.

01:09:03.000 Well, one of the biggest things that upsets me about this is that the effect of this is to not guard us against a real enemy.

01:09:11.000 Now, if there are other enemies and other people we need to bring to justice, that's fine.

01:09:14.000 But we know we have an enemy out there that wants to kill us.

01:09:17.000 And the effect of this is saying, drop your guard.

01:09:20.000 It's like a boxer letting his guard down so he can get walloped again.

01:09:24.000 Now, I know that from your perspective, you don't want to be blamed for what other conspiracy theorists are saying about this.

01:09:30.000 And one of the points I make is that there's a mishmash of different theories out there.

01:09:36.000 And as a consequence of that, people say, oh, there's overwhelming evidence.

01:09:39.000 But the overwhelming evidence is all contradicting each other.

01:09:43.000 From your perspective, you want to be held accountable for your beliefs, but from the perspective of the country and people listening, they're hearing it all.

01:09:50.000 I don't know how to respond to that, but we keep hearing all this craziness go back and forth, and it does keep changing when they encounter facts, they just switch to another argument.

01:10:02.000 There is only one official story, but there's hundreds of alternatives, which of course can't all be wrong.

01:10:09.000 But the thing is, is that There are several formats here of what happened.

01:10:15.000 What got me into this, you know, considering what their memory of Barbara Olsen, who I knew, is to hear these facts being asserted.

01:10:21.000 And then you go back and you check on them, and the initial fact turns out to be false.

01:10:25.000 Now, I don't know, that might not be true of your arguments, but it's true of an awful lot of the stuff out there.

01:10:30.000 Beginning with the idea that, you know, there's a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, when the engineers measured it at 90 feet, and there's hundreds of eyewitnesses.

01:10:40.000 And this kind of thing.

01:10:41.000 So there's this structure of an assertion of fact and then a whole bunch of arguments flowing from it.

01:10:46.000 Go back and check the fact.

01:10:47.000 Turns out not to hold up.

01:10:50.000 The other thing is that what bothers me most is that people say, well, this is not plausible.

01:10:54.000 They then suggest something that's infinitely less plausible.

01:10:58.000 That there are thousands of people with no motivation to keep quiet who've all kept silent, including civilian radar operators and airline personnel.

01:11:08.000 The airlines lost billions of dollars.

01:11:11.000 It's just completely implausible.

01:11:13.000 If you're going to argue from the idea that something is not plausible, I think the alternative needs to stand up to your own yardstick.

01:11:20.000 Okay, stop right there, because you said three minutes, and I want to run over what you just said briefly, and then I'll let you continue to spout that stuff.

01:11:29.000 Number one, you say people wouldn't keep quiet.

01:11:32.000 FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN at the National Press Club and held up a letter where he'll be threatened under national security for treason.

01:11:41.000 If he tells the public what he knows, he begins crying and breaks down and says, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens. 0.99

01:11:50.000 That's a quote.

01:11:51.000 And then we get the memorandum from the President, W199I, ordering The FBI and CIA and Defense Intelligence, Able Danger, which we now have even more on, to back off the Bin Laden operations in Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as HU Khan Laboratories in Pakistan developing hydrogen weapons and delivery systems, and it's now all on record.

01:12:14.000 And I'm sure with that you'll say it doesn't exist.

01:12:17.000 I'm sorry, everything I just said does exist in triplicate mainstream news.

01:12:21.000 Also, There were countless other FBI and other government people who were threatened with arrest if they wouldn't shut up.

01:12:28.000 When a colonel blew the whistle, they tried to charge him for $67 of unauthorized cell phone calls to his wife.

01:12:35.000 This is the type of stuff that's going on.

01:12:36.000 They threaten civil Edmonds with arrest.

01:12:39.000 All of this, so just don't try it.

01:12:41.000 Also, don't try to say they couldn't keep something this big secret.

01:12:44.000 They used drills to smokescreen it, compartmentalize inside these different government agencies, and they kept the Manhattan Project secret with over 100,000 employees for four years, and other facets of it secret.

01:12:58.000 For over a decade.

01:12:59.000 Then you say Pentagon, which I've always said is a honeypot by design, and I haven't messed with it, but I've stated on record that clearly what they show on the news is a 16-foot hole.

01:13:08.000 Then it collapses, and it is 75 to 95 feet, depending on which thing you talk about.

01:13:13.000 Then you talk about how we have all these different stories, but the government has one unified story.

01:13:19.000 They've given five different reasons for Building 7 falling.

01:13:21.000 Now they say they don't know why.

01:13:23.000 They said there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, and they have the biggest columns you can put in a building that size.

01:13:28.000 47 4-foot-round giant steel reinforced columns.

01:13:32.000 You've got the entire commission being called independent, being appointed by George Bush.

01:13:36.000 You've got a bunch of the commission on the Carlisle Group payroll, Zellacal and the rest of them.

01:13:41.000 I'm going to stop right there and I'm just going to add that a lot of these people putting out the no planes at the Pentagon thing, I predicted stuff like this would happen.

01:13:49.000 This is a classic setup where they put out ridiculous disinfo on purpose, building straw men, a lot of these are operatives, so then you guys can come discredit false stories.

01:13:58.000 Go ahead, you've got three more minutes.

01:14:00.000 Okay, well of course we kept the Manhattan Project secret because the people working on it knew it was in favor of their country and were patriots.

01:14:08.000 No one watching the mass murder on television Remember, the World Trade Center site was owned by the firefighters for weeks.

01:14:17.000 They were looking for their buddies.

01:14:19.000 They reported they found the black boxes and were ordered to shut up about it.

01:14:21.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:14:22.000 They found the passports.

01:14:24.000 Two of them magically didn't get... Oh, yes.

01:14:27.000 The firefighters, many of them, think there were bombs in the buildings and think it's an inside job.

01:14:31.000 The head of the biggest victim's family group says that he believes it's an inside job now and the majority of his members do.

01:14:37.000 Oh, I'm sorry!

01:14:38.000 I'm sorry!

01:14:39.000 I'm sorry!

01:14:39.000 I cut in on you!

01:14:40.000 I apologize!

01:14:41.000 But they didn't... Okay, look.

01:14:43.000 To demolish the building the way I understand it is argued, you have to have 43,000 demolition devices, 236 steel columns around the outside.

01:14:53.000 Um, you know, some number inside.

01:14:55.000 Some people say 47.

01:14:57.000 Um, then you times 80 or 90 floors, because you wouldn't know which floor... Well, that's not true.

01:15:01.000 It would take a few hundred devices in Tower 1, which is larger explosives, and it would take several hundred devices in Building 7 with the classic bottom-down, uh, crimp blow.

01:15:11.000 Well, of course, the news footage shows it falling from the top down.

01:15:15.000 No controlled demolition in history has ever been from the top down.

01:15:17.000 That's what I just said.

01:15:18.000 Tower 1 and 2 were blown from the top down.

01:15:21.000 You can see the squibs as they explode.

01:15:22.000 I'm saying 7 was the classic demolition.

01:15:25.000 But the technical arguments, this is where they're all inconsistent.

01:15:27.000 The technical arguments are that the falling Well, let's do this.

01:15:33.000 Let's say that magically passports flew out undamaged and everything else was destroyed.

01:15:38.000 No discernible remains.

01:15:39.000 Let's just say that the planes made those fall, okay?

01:15:42.000 Building 7, what are you going to fall back on?

01:15:45.000 Which one of the five stories that the government gives us are you going to give us on 7?

01:15:51.000 Something like that.

01:15:52.000 I don't think there's an official story.

01:15:53.000 There's an announcement.

01:15:54.000 Well, you said there's one official story, sir.

01:15:56.000 No, there's five.

01:15:57.000 There's five and they've abandoned all five.

01:15:59.000 Have you actually read the NIST report like I have?

01:16:02.000 Have you actually read the entire 9-11 Commission report?

01:16:05.000 I've read the NIST report on World Trade Center 7.

01:16:09.000 Look, if you go back, I have the news footage that I recorded from the day of and that week.

01:16:13.000 If you look at the one tower collapsed neatly, the other tower collapsed very messy.

01:16:18.000 There are chunks coming out of that top as big as 10 houses together.

01:16:23.000 They blew it in sections.

01:16:24.000 They blew it in...

01:16:26.000 The metal was cut off perfectly in two-story and one-story sections, perfectly sliced.

01:16:33.000 Then they said, "No cameras, no photos." Well, how would they do that without 43,000 separate demolition devices?

01:16:41.000 Major companies could have wired each one of those towers in two weeks apiece.

01:16:45.000 They had major drills, they had evacuations, they had major floors closed down, they had all sorts of weird people.

01:16:50.000 I've talked to the janitorial staff that were in there, just like Oklahoma City that Clinton pulled off when they caught the different guys in there with the, quote, grey sticks of butter drilling the columns.

01:17:02.000 They told them they were maintenance people.

01:17:04.000 Well, and you would have to drill the columns because you would have to put the explosive directly against the steel.

01:17:09.000 Not if they're big enough.

01:17:10.000 But yeah, they did drill in Oklahoma City.

01:17:13.000 Jane Graham, the head of HUD, witnessed them doing it.

01:17:15.000 Okay, but then you'd need miles of wire.

01:17:17.000 No, Bill Clinton didn't do it.

01:17:18.000 He's nice.

01:17:19.000 And you'd need miles of wire, and demolition experts have looked at that and said you always have to... No, you don't need miles of wire.

01:17:24.000 You can go out with a synchronized radio beacon.

01:17:27.000 Okay, but you couldn't synchronize different floors that way with... Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a... No, you have different layers on different radio frequencies.

01:17:35.000 Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a big steel building?

01:17:38.000 Sir, the government has all sorts of systems and they use radio a lot on these buildings.

01:17:43.000 Okay, but steel doesn't... You're not answering building 7, sir.

01:17:46.000 The middle collapses.

01:17:47.000 It perfectly falls in on itself in a perfect little pile.

01:17:51.000 But that isn't what happened.

01:17:52.000 What happened was that the top...

01:17:55.000 A demolition involves blowing out the bottom floor.

01:17:58.000 There's no demolition in history, and then why would anybody try it?

01:18:01.000 It would be unprecedented.

01:18:02.000 Wait a minute, Building 7 was the classic where you blow out the central column, then you blow out the outside columns, and it falls in on itself perfectly.

01:18:09.000 It fell at the speed of an apple.

01:18:12.000 But it fell from the top down, not from the bottom up.

01:18:16.000 No, no.

01:18:16.000 Building 7 fell from the bottom, sir.

01:18:18.000 No, you look at it.

01:18:20.000 The penthouse, the first thing... Well, no.

01:18:22.000 The NIST report says it fell from the bottom down.

01:18:25.000 No, the first change is the penthouse.

01:18:28.000 No, no, no, sir.

01:18:28.000 That's how you do it with a bottom down.

01:18:31.000 You blow the central column so that goes first on every Las Vegas demolition.

01:18:36.000 It's a classic one.

01:18:37.000 Okay?

01:18:38.000 You're confused.

01:18:39.000 They blow the central column, it falls, then the outside columns are blown, and so it falls in on itself.

01:18:46.000 Come on! 0.61

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01:22:54.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:23:03.000 There is!

01:23:04.000 Jonathan Mosley is our guest.

01:23:06.000 Attorney at law, living in Virginia.

01:23:10.000 Professor Jim Fetzer, the founder and the head of 9-11 Scholars for Truth, has called in.

01:23:13.000 We've also got Barry Homish listening.

01:23:16.000 And I'll try to get him on the next segment, and maybe I'll just try to keep our guests the entire hour, because people are just going wild to hear this.

01:23:22.000 I would just add on the imploding and falling buildings.

01:23:25.000 No modern steel building had ever collapsed from fire.

01:23:27.000 He claims one that did, but that was a separate, smaller, older construction.

01:23:32.000 And, I mean, you know, top scientists, the University of Edinburgh is on record in BBC saying one's never fallen.

01:23:38.000 They just tried to burn a building down over a month period with different experiments, and they couldn't do it.

01:23:43.000 That was on BBC last week.

01:23:45.000 And we had the Madrid fire with 100-foot white-hot flames.

01:23:48.000 The big columns didn't collapse.

01:23:51.000 How do you respond to that, Mr. Mosley?

01:23:55.000 They're not uniform, identical things.

01:23:57.000 The idea is if one falls from ordinary fire, that proves that the temperature from ordinary fire can compromise steel.

01:24:03.000 So we just got three of those in one day, not anywhere else, but three in one day, one spot.

01:24:07.000 When you talk about three in one day, that's language of randomness, which indicates that there must be a causal element.

01:24:14.000 There is.

01:24:15.000 There's a terrorist attack that hit it that affected all three so that's not surprising but the thing is is The McCormick, look, people say no building ever fell from fire alone.

01:24:25.000 I got on the internet five minutes later, it came up with a dozen that have partially or totally collapsed.

01:24:30.000 That is not true.

01:24:31.000 Floors have collapsed, not the main central... You can go to some old building, some 1900, we're talking about modern steel buildings.

01:24:39.000 You know what?

01:24:40.000 I'll let you get more into that, sir.

01:24:41.000 Right now, I want to give Professor Fetzer, who you really hit the hardest in here, A chance to ask you some questions.

01:24:50.000 Professor Fetzer, go ahead and make your statements.

01:24:53.000 Yes, many of the claims this guy made during this internet exchange were actually corrected online.

01:24:57.000 He nevertheless went ahead and put them, even knowing better, knowing that they were false or blunders, he nevertheless included them in his article.

01:25:04.000 Now, this guy, for example, McCormick Place was a convention center.

01:25:08.000 It wasn't a steel structure high rise with welded and redundant features like the Twin Towers.

01:25:13.000 So, he simply pretends he doesn't know the difference.

01:25:15.000 If he doesn't know the difference, he's incompetent. 0.99

01:25:17.000 If he does know the difference, he's corrupt. 0.88

01:25:19.000 He's been fanatical, even obsessive, about posting attacks on members of Scholars.

01:25:24.000 I did a search, for example, Alex, on recent Mosley posts.

01:25:28.000 On the 23rd of July, he put up 19.

01:25:31.000 On the 1st of August, 22.

01:25:32.000 On the 15th of August, he posted 15 attacks.

01:25:35.000 His typical style was to post, then as soon as there was a response, he'd post again immediately.

01:25:40.000 His whole style was immature and juvenile.

01:25:43.000 If he was advancing serious arguments about our findings, they might have been justified in spite of that, but they committed elementary fallacies.

01:25:49.000 Well, stop there, Professor.

01:25:50.000 I want to give him a chance to respond.

01:25:51.000 We'll hold you over, and both of you are gracious to come on.

01:25:55.000 My concern here is that he says that Professor Jones Advocated the overthrow of the U.S.

01:26:03.000 government.

01:26:03.000 We've watched the tape.

01:26:05.000 No one can find that.

01:26:07.000 Mr. Mosley, I'm confused here.

01:26:09.000 You're a smart guy.

01:26:10.000 You're a lawyer.

01:26:11.000 Where on that C-SPAN footage did Jones advocate the overthrow of the U.S.

01:26:15.000 government?

01:26:16.000 About 80% through the tape, there's a question.

01:26:19.000 Can our aims be satisfied without violent overthrow of the government?

01:26:26.000 Professor Jones responds Echoing the Declaration of Independence and ends up saying no.

01:26:32.000 It cannot be.

01:26:33.000 It cannot be.

01:26:33.000 There's been a gross misrepresentation by Mr. Mosley, but I've been in contact with Steve Jones.

01:26:42.000 We have Professor Jones.

01:26:45.000 Comments that he emailed us now up on JonesReport.com.

01:26:48.000 That's right. 0.89

01:26:49.000 This is ridiculous. 0.95

01:26:50.000 It's outrageous and even libelous that he makes these kinds of things up, Steve. 0.85

01:26:53.000 Okay, well what did he exactly say then, Professor?

01:26:56.000 It's on the tape.

01:26:57.000 He said there is no peaceful means to achieve our goals.

01:27:01.000 That's wrong.

01:27:02.000 That's false, untrue, and completely not what he said.

01:27:04.000 He's denied it.

01:27:05.000 I was there.

01:27:05.000 He said we have to use constitutional means.

01:27:08.000 Just like there's a specifically enforced impeachment.

01:27:10.000 You obviously took something out of context.

01:27:12.000 Just like the no planes hit that hit.

01:27:13.000 We didn't see what we saw.

01:27:14.000 It was on national television for everybody to see.

01:27:17.000 We didn't see it because it was some kind of murder.

01:27:19.000 Who's making that claim?

01:27:20.000 You're now just picking from different sources to try to make together some kind of inconsistent theory.

01:27:26.000 He's now implying that we're saying that and we're denying that.

01:27:29.000 We're telling you, sir, that we've gone and watched the tape and your interpretation of what he said is out of left field.

01:27:34.000 Everybody can watch it for themselves.

01:27:36.000 They certainly can and discover that you're committing a libelous act.

01:27:40.000 Well, I'm a lawyer, and I would know better.

01:27:42.000 You want to know better, but you commit such elementary fallacies, I don't think you could pass it last time.

01:27:46.000 Well, where does this come from?

01:27:47.000 Where does this come from, saying that Fetzer is attacking Jews?

01:27:50.000 Because I've never heard... Fetzer's pretty liberal.

01:27:53.000 I haven't ever heard him criticize Jews.

01:27:55.000 I didn't say that.

01:27:55.000 I said some of the others are, but I cannot... about 90% of the discussions Uh, that we've had on the internet in discussion groups.

01:28:03.000 I cannot stop people.

01:28:04.000 Well, wait a minute.

01:28:04.000 Wait a minute.

01:28:05.000 Let me read back in here.

01:28:06.000 Uh, Professor Fetzer, isn't there a part, I've got the three-page article.

01:28:08.000 Of course.

01:28:09.000 I mean, isn't there a part in here where he does say that... Yeah.

01:28:11.000 He, he said I accused, he, quote, he said I accused him of being a Jew because he was attacking our position.

01:28:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:16.000 That's, that's correct.

01:28:17.000 And that's what I said.

01:28:18.000 I do have an email in which he, in which he said I was probably a Jew.

01:28:21.000 Well, stay there, both of you.

01:28:22.000 Stan, I mean, let's get to the bottom of this.

01:28:24.000 Because, um... I mean, obviously the...

01:28:29.000 The indication there is, ooh, he wanted to know if I was a Jew.

01:28:34.000 I'm just totally confused by that.

01:28:36.000 Professor Vetser and I have been criticized for not saying it's Israel that carried out the attacks.

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01:31:50.000 All right, we're going to go right back to Jonathan Mosley.

01:32:00.000 He wrote the big WorldNet Daily article, getting so much attention.

01:32:03.000 9-11 Bush-bashers. 0.71

01:32:05.000 We've got to be fair with him.

01:32:06.000 We've got to give him some time to respond here.

01:32:10.000 But Fetzer, you go ahead and finish up so we can do this one at a time.

01:32:13.000 Finish your points that you wanted to make.

01:32:16.000 He's playing several games, Alex.

01:32:18.000 One is that I asked him who he was.

01:32:20.000 I sent him an email and asked him about his background because he was acting in such an obsessive, compulsive fashion.

01:32:26.000 And I truly believe this had to be a child.

01:32:28.000 In fact, I would insist that this man, he may be older, but he acts like a child.

01:32:33.000 And I suggest that this person, if I had to guess, was about 15 years old, very bright, probably Jewish, possibly a resident of Brooklyn, attending a scientific technological high school.

01:32:44.000 Who believes he's superior to everyone else and has an obsession to try to prove it, but I was commenting on his behavior, not the subject of his speech.

01:32:53.000 Second of all, here's a couple of examples of the shoddy quality of his argument.

01:32:57.000 He says the Twin Towers can't have come down as a result of controlled demolition because they blow out the first and second floors so the building falls down into its own footprint.

01:33:06.000 But I pointed out to him online, before he published this article, that was an equivocation He's just talking about the standard kind of controlled demolition, as in the case of Building 7.

01:33:15.000 I pointed out then and emphasized, we're talking about a special kind of controlled demolition.

01:33:19.000 It's still a controlled demolition, just because it's from the top down.

01:33:22.000 It's not the standard kind, that's all.

01:33:24.000 But Building 7 was from the bottom down.

01:33:27.000 Yeah, Building 7 was a standard controlled demolition, just like we see in Las Vegas.

01:33:30.000 A few minutes ago he was saying that wasn't the case.

01:33:32.000 Is that what you're saying, Jonathan?

01:33:35.000 In the video show, it's definitely not the case.

01:33:38.000 One is definitely not the case.

01:33:41.000 It fell from the top down.

01:33:42.000 You're saying a blast on the bottom caused the center pillar to fall, so you saw the penthouse fall.

01:33:50.000 That's the classic... This is clear evidence the guy is completely incompetent to discuss these issues.

01:33:54.000 All these classic demolitions we see in Las Vegas over and over again.

01:34:00.000 You have the slight indentation at the top, coincidental with the blowing up of the bottom.

01:34:04.000 They blow out some beams in the center to ensure it will implode, fall toward the center.

01:34:09.000 I know, Professor Fetzer, but let him counter, let him have some time.

01:34:12.000 Go ahead.

01:34:13.000 But there was no blowing out of the bottom floors, as a classic.

01:34:17.000 And plus, the thesis is, Professor Fetzer is a philosophy professor who cannot stay on the topic.

01:34:23.000 The thesis being tested is, number one, everyone says, these fell exactly like a controlled demolition.

01:34:29.000 Now I'm suspicious.

01:34:30.000 You go back and say, no, it didn't fall exactly like a controlled demolition.

01:34:34.000 Now he's saying it's a special controlled demolition that nobody's ever seen before.

01:34:37.000 Okay, but the original thesis was, we're suspicious because it looks like a controlled demolition when it doesn't. 0.89

01:34:43.000 Well, but that's stupid because... Mr. Moley, let me say something.

01:34:47.000 Sir, we say that because the firefighters reported bombs and explosions, and they reported squibs, and on all the videos, 7, 1, and 2, you see the blast points, sir. 0.98

01:34:57.000 No, you don't.

01:34:58.000 You see the ordinary piston effect of air being, or of an entire floor being compressed down to nothing.

01:35:05.000 But they're not saying 7 was a pancake.

01:35:07.000 And pancaking wouldn't do that.

01:35:09.000 Before it's even pancaking, being blown up, you see the blast sometimes as much as two seconds before.

01:35:15.000 I videotaped it from the day I just looked at the video.

01:35:18.000 No, you don't see that.

01:35:19.000 I mean, this is the problem.

01:35:20.000 I don't know what video you're talking about, sir.

01:35:23.000 We have blasts going out in some cases ten floors below.

01:35:26.000 No, that's exactly what you don't see.

01:35:29.000 If you were, if you had a controlled demolition, you'd see floors that are completely undisturbed. 0.99

01:35:33.000 You're just, you know, I don't think you're stupid. 0.98

01:35:35.000 I think you're just trying to put doubts in people's minds, sir. 0.99

01:35:39.000 And by the way, we've proven this controlled demolition.

01:35:41.000 You can keep stating that we haven't.

01:35:43.000 I will just state this.

01:35:44.000 We have the public officials who are not to fly.

01:35:46.000 We have the PNAC boys saying they need a terror attack.

01:35:49.000 We have the NORAD drills.

01:35:50.000 That's why NORAD stood down with the CIA targeting the exact same places at the exact same times.

01:35:56.000 We have the official Northwoods plan to carry out these type of attacks.

01:35:59.000 We have the CIA operations like AJAX where they declassified that our government stages terror attacks.

01:36:05.000 That's why you and your guys have got a big problem.

01:36:07.000 No, because you're arguing about the possible.

01:36:10.000 Because something could have happened, therefore it did.

01:36:12.000 That's a logical fallacy.

01:36:13.000 No, no, no.

01:36:13.000 Sir, the government admits it's carried out terror attacks.

01:36:17.000 He talks about logical fallacies, Alex.

01:36:18.000 He commits a beauty in this article, and I pointed it out to him already online before he published it.

01:36:24.000 Namely, he says, because different conspiracy theories are inconsistent with one another, they must all be false.

01:36:30.000 But the only inference you can follow is that they can't all be true.

01:36:32.000 One of them could be true.

01:36:34.000 I mean, if you don't have to... That's like saying, if you have a theory of the speed of light, and just because ten people are wrong about their theory, including the government's story, one of them is right.

01:36:45.000 So, yeah, to say, because there's an argument, every form of science and research and, you know, detectives at a cop shop, they're going to be disagreeing, but somebody's going to be right.

01:36:55.000 You know, as I pointed out to Professor Fetzer online, that They claim to have evidence proving all of these different inconsistent theories.

01:37:04.000 And if there is evidence proving all of them... That's interpretive!

01:37:08.000 That's interpretive!

01:37:09.000 I pointed out to him that that's also a fallacy because if you only take part of the evidence you can prove one.

01:37:14.000 You have to take into account all the relevant evidence.

01:37:16.000 He's a master at what's called special pleading and taking only part of the evidence.

01:37:20.000 He's committed another blunder.

01:37:21.000 This guy could not get through a critical thinking class that I teach to our freshmen.

01:37:26.000 Well, I hope you take that course, because you can't stay on one topic.

01:37:29.000 Well, sir, can you specifically, going back to Jones, can you specifically tell us where, well, number one, you are saying here that he agreed with the overthrow of the government, and I've watched those tapes over and over again.

01:37:43.000 I never saw that or heard that.

01:37:45.000 Can you specifically tell me what Jones said?

01:37:48.000 Yes, he was asked, is there a way to achieve our goals without a violent overthrow?

01:37:53.000 He then echoed the Declaration of Independence preamble, which is a call for revolution, by deliberately echoing the language and format, which is an argument for revolution, and then ended up saying, there is no peaceful way to achieve our means.

01:38:08.000 This is completely false and misleading.

01:38:10.000 He said we have to follow the Constitution.

01:38:11.000 Well, we're going to get the exact clip and we're going to post it.

01:38:14.000 We're doing a big story on this because You know, this goes into the psychology of people like Mr. Mosley.

01:38:22.000 But again, I can't help but appreciate him.

01:38:24.000 Jim, at least he will come on and debate us and go head-to-head with us.

01:38:28.000 But what about this?

01:38:30.000 After debating these characters extensively, And then the first person you talk about is me, Alex Jones.

01:38:35.000 You have never talked to me, Mr. Mosley.

01:38:37.000 I don't spend my time trolling around on message boards, and frankly, I wish Fetzer and others wouldn't.

01:38:43.000 It's a complete waste of time.

01:38:45.000 But I'm trying to understand here why you're implying that you debated me.

01:38:50.000 You've been included on almost all of the emails back and forth.

01:38:53.000 I don't know if you've read them or choose to participate, but mostly by others.

01:38:58.000 Well, if you put your name on a list, then you're included in the debate.

01:39:01.000 I didn't put your name... I mean, Mr. Fetzer and his colleagues put your name on the list.

01:39:05.000 I didn't.

01:39:06.000 I didn't put Alex's name on the list.

01:39:08.000 You're making this stuff up.

01:39:09.000 You just make this stuff up as you go along.

01:39:11.000 Could we actually debate for a moment?

01:39:13.000 You know what?

01:39:14.000 You get a minute, then Jim gets a minute, and then I want to go to Barry Homish, if he's still there, to get a comment.

01:39:19.000 But go ahead.

01:39:20.000 Okay, the structure here is we have a thesis.

01:39:22.000 We have to stay on the topic.

01:39:24.000 Professor Fetzer is a master at tap dancing around and changing the topic when he gets caught.

01:39:30.000 The thesis is, steel, structural steel, fails under the temperatures of ordinary fires.

01:39:36.000 The McCormick Place was a 1960 building just like the World Trade Center.

01:39:40.000 It did not have to bear the load of 110 floors.

01:39:42.000 It was a heavy steel building.

01:39:44.000 It was the premier exhibition hall in America.

01:39:47.000 And under ordinary fire, in 30 minutes, the steel failed.

01:39:50.000 Now the issue is not... You're talking about a lightly built convention center that has an umbrella roof and is not a heavy supportive structure.

01:39:59.000 Those things are outward husk and then have a light topping cheap construction.

01:40:06.000 Everybody knows that.

01:40:07.000 I can't believe you're trying this argument, but go ahead.

01:40:09.000 Stay on the topic.

01:40:11.000 The topic is... No, I've studied that building!

01:40:14.000 You guys always use that building! 0.98

01:40:15.000 That's ridiculous! 0.65

01:40:17.000 Is the temperature of an ordinary fire sufficient to weaken and compromise structural steel? 0.93

01:40:24.000 No, it's not.

01:40:24.000 Answer, yes.

01:40:25.000 Let's have Fetzer counter that.

01:40:27.000 That's completely false.

01:40:27.000 Jim, go ahead.

01:40:28.000 The melting point of structural steel is 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit.

01:40:31.000 The highest temperature a jet-based fuel fire can attain is 1,800 degrees.

01:40:34.000 There's a thousand degree difference.

01:40:36.000 The Underwriters Laboratory certified the steel used in the towers to 2,000 degrees up to six hours.

01:40:42.000 The temperatures never got anywhere near there.

01:40:44.000 They estimated closer to 500 degrees. 0.94

01:40:46.000 This is completely ridiculous.

01:40:49.000 In fact, there was a fire in 1975 in the North Tower on the 13th of February that burned much hotter and much longer.

01:40:58.000 The firefighters reported that in both towers the fires were almost out and to call up more ladders to save the people and there were people standing in the holes right for minutes waiting for help without burning or without being singed Begging for helicopter rescue that never came, inches away from pillars, that seconds later, as they talked on cell phones, blew up.

01:41:23.000 Now go ahead, we gotta give him some time, go ahead and finish up what you were saying, Jonathan.

01:41:28.000 The same underwriters lab, in their study of World Trade Center, cited McCormick Place and other, a dozen other steel structures that have partially or completely failed.

01:41:36.000 For the proposition, in Underwriters Lab's view, that structural steel does melt.

01:41:40.000 No, they told the engineers that did the study to shut up and lie, and they wouldn't do it, so they got fired.

01:41:45.000 Nope, the Underwriters Lab, because Mr. Fetzer... Jim, Jim!

01:41:49.000 Professor Fetzer is, again, changing the subject.

01:41:52.000 Nobody is melting steel.

01:41:54.000 The issue, does it bend and expand so it shears bolts, breaks connectors, warps the structure?

01:42:00.000 It doesn't have to melt.

01:42:01.000 This was a welded...

01:42:03.000 It's a steel structure with an intricate lattice, redundant support system.

01:42:07.000 It was very sophisticated.

01:42:09.000 It cannot have suffered from a pancake kind of collapse.

01:42:13.000 I got a structural engineer on this website to correct him on McCormick Place and on the capacity of the Twin Towers to subject to pancake collapse.

01:42:21.000 He simply ignores it.

01:42:22.000 When this guy is corrected, he just goes ahead and repeats his own phony arguments, whether they commit equivocation or logical blunders or no matter what.

01:42:30.000 He has the mind of a 15-year-old and he's obsessed to prove himself correct, no matter how wrong he may be.

01:42:36.000 That's because Professor Fetz comes back with DREC.

01:42:39.000 He talks about melting steel instead of structural collapse.

01:42:42.000 Well, sir, listen, the University of Edinburgh, with their top engineers, for a month every day, tried to burn down a 24-story steel building, similar construction.

01:42:53.000 They couldn't get anything to even weaken.

01:42:56.000 All they could get was sheetrock to cave in.

01:42:58.000 They burned it day after day.

01:43:00.000 BBC just aired it.

01:43:01.000 They said they couldn't believe the Tower 1, 2, and 7 fell.

01:43:05.000 That's why they did the major study.

01:43:08.000 Now, I'm going to stop you.

01:43:10.000 And there are a lot of other engineers saying this.

01:43:13.000 Kevin Ryan is saying this.

01:43:14.000 Countless others are saying this.

01:43:16.000 And I don't understand how.

01:43:17.000 Listen, it's been well known that buildings are safe.

01:43:20.000 Listen, listen, listen, Edinburgh's doing these tests because they say this changes insurance everything.

01:43:25.000 If buildings will suddenly collapse from kerosene, coal-burning fuel, black, burning, you know, smoke, low-oxygen flames, and you can run through this stuff, if this is the case, then the laws of physics have been suspended.

01:43:39.000 Did they hit it with 104 tons of aircraft traveling 540 miles per hour?

01:43:39.000 Go ahead.

01:43:43.000 If that was the case, it would have happened by the time the fires hit their peak level.

01:43:48.000 The fires had already diminished by over 90 percent.

01:43:51.000 Steve, he knows these arguments are phony.

01:43:54.000 He knows these arguments are phony.

01:43:55.000 I've pointed out repeatedly that Frank DiMartini, who was the construction manager on the World Trade Center, had observed that they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest then commercial airliner, Boeing 707.

01:44:05.000 Two of them.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, whose impact, he said, would be analogous to sticking a pencil through mosquito netting. 0.97

01:44:11.000 Now, this guy either doesn't know any better, in which case he's incompetent, or he knows better, in which case he's corrupt. 0.67

01:44:16.000 There are no alternatives. 0.99

01:44:17.000 He's either incompetent or corrupt. 0.89

01:44:19.000 Namuru Namasaki, the designer of the towers, went on record saying they could take multiple jumbo jet hits. 0.96

01:44:27.000 Nobody tested that, did they?

01:44:29.000 And Boeing 707 is half the mass Do you understand the molecular nature of aluminum when it hits giant steel columns and concrete?

01:44:42.000 It's a joke, sir!

01:44:44.000 Yeah, and do you understand the bomb effect of 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel going off in the middle, in the center of the building as a gigantic bomb?

01:44:52.000 If you get a burst of that fuel burned off in the giant fireball... They've done analysis, sir, of the pounds per square inch pressure generated by that fuel detonating, and it is thousands of times too weak to even blow out the smallest columns.

01:45:07.000 That's ridiculous. 0.67

01:45:08.000 No. 0.57

01:45:09.000 We know exactly how much C4 it takes, properly jacketed, to cut columns.

01:45:13.000 This is hard to do.

01:45:15.000 Look at Dr. Frank Greening's extensive and excellent article, which analyzes all the energy on this.

01:45:21.000 And if you have a gigantic bomb going off in the center of the building, From 30,000 kilograms, that's 30 tons of jet fuel exploding.

01:45:30.000 You're mangling the entire interior.

01:45:32.000 Yeah, you would have had that damage, even if you believe your phony science, and then it would have broken off or slumped or bent.

01:45:39.000 It wouldn't go boom, boom, boom and blow off in clear little easy sections.

01:45:43.000 Is Barry Homish still there?

01:45:45.000 Hold on just a second, guys.

01:45:46.000 Is Barry Homish still there?

01:45:48.000 Barry Homish is a writer written for major papers in Israel.

01:45:51.000 I believe he's here in the U.S.

01:45:53.000 I'm just going to give him a minute or so.

01:45:54.000 I don't even know what subject he's calling in on.

01:45:56.000 Then I'll let both of you gentlemen continue to the end of the hour.

01:46:00.000 Please stay with us, Fetzer and Mosley.

01:46:02.000 Barry Chomish, thank you for coming on with us.

01:46:05.000 What's on your mind?

01:46:06.000 Yeah, I was helped on, actually.

01:46:09.000 Look, the business of Jews and 9-11 and all that... Look, the architect of the World Trade Center is on my email list. 0.76

01:46:21.000 He's been writing me for the last four years.

01:46:24.000 Now, he always had difficulties with it, but now he's coming out and going public.

01:46:30.000 His name is Aaron Swirsky.

01:46:32.000 Uh, he lives in Netanya, and now he, um, he's just saying that we designed the building to take any sort of a plane, and he doesn't believe the planes brought it down.

01:46:44.000 And what's his name?

01:46:45.000 His name is Aaron Swirsky.

01:46:47.000 He lives in Netanya.

01:46:50.000 Um, as I said, I've been corresponding with him for years.

01:46:54.000 Barry Chalmers, I've been meaning to get you on the air, and we finally got your number.

01:46:58.000 Let me get your number again as backup, and then try to give me his email.

01:47:01.000 I'd like to interview him now.

01:47:02.000 I know we have chief engineers, the chief designer, Yamasaki.

01:47:07.000 What area of design would Aaron Swartzky be involved in?

01:47:12.000 I've got to get you his number.

01:47:14.000 If I have to, I'll phone Israel and get it for you, and we'll see what he says.

01:47:20.000 What do you think about Jonathan Mosley saying that he doesn't believe there was any government involvement? 0.95

01:47:29.000 Well, that's ridiculous.

01:47:31.000 Look, the fact of the matter is there are ties to Israel, and one of the most disturbing is Menachem Atzmon. 0.94

01:47:40.000 During the 1980s, the Likud party had two accountants.

01:47:45.000 One was Menachem Atzmon, the other one was Ehud Olmert.

01:47:48.000 Atzmon was head of security for Logan and Newark airports.

01:47:53.000 Uh, on September 11th.

01:47:55.000 He determined who got on planes and who didn't.

01:47:57.000 Well, I know Horat reported that Odogo did indeed warn its employees.

01:48:02.000 That's not an urban legend.

01:48:03.000 That's from Israel.

01:48:04.000 But I personally don't believe Israel could carry it out.

01:48:07.000 I certainly believe they knew what was going on.

01:48:09.000 It's not just Israel.

01:48:10.000 We had a war supposedly over.

01:48:15.000 We have a guy named Seymour Hersh claiming that the CFR, the so-called neocons, approved the war and that Israel took the air for two and a half weeks with no ground troops to see what it would be like to bomb Iraq.

01:48:33.000 And we're getting a terrible, terrible loss of young Israeli lives.

01:48:38.000 Barry, I've got to leave you there.

01:48:41.000 Let me get you on as a guest.

01:48:42.000 Great journalist.

01:48:43.000 Get his number because I know he's traveling around right now.

01:48:46.000 For me, Scott.

01:48:46.000 We'll get him on next week if he can.

01:48:48.000 Thank you, Barry.

01:48:50.000 We're going to go out of break to a final segment with both our guests.

01:48:52.000 We appreciate them both being here with us.

01:48:54.000 Jonathan Mosley, I'm going to let you take us out of this segment.

01:48:56.000 Go ahead.

01:48:57.000 Well again, there are hundreds of alerts every year.

01:48:59.000 This is what bothers me.

01:49:01.000 People are constantly being warned that there's chatter or something like that.

01:49:04.000 The fact that some security person got it from authorities and passed it down, that's happening constantly.

01:49:09.000 And was always happening constantly.

01:49:10.000 But the media then tried to claim that it was just an urban legend and no one was warned.

01:49:14.000 Why didn't they just say what you just said?

01:49:16.000 Well, I don't know, but I remember hearing warnings during the summer of 2001, before anyone knew there was going to be a 9-11.

01:49:23.000 For me, probably.

01:49:24.000 It should be.

01:49:25.000 Stay there, both of you.

01:49:27.000 Final segment with Jim Fetzer and our guest Jonathan Mosley, who wrote this savage hit piece on myself.

01:49:35.000 But I think it's great.

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01:49:43.000 I know it's hard to believe our government did this, but it's not our government.

01:49:46.000 It's globalists.

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01:53:34.000 Professor Fetzer, just in closing here, anything else you'd like to say about 9-11?

01:53:38.000 Well, I think that Mosley's last point well illustrates his incapacity to come to grips with the facts in this matter.

01:53:47.000 The plane that actually hit the building was very different than the 707s that they were designed to accommodate.

01:53:53.000 And in fact, precisely the opposite is the case.

01:53:55.000 I routinely lecture on this.

01:53:57.000 The physical properties, the mass, and even the fuel capacity of these planes are very comparable.

01:54:02.000 And I found at least three other engineers who agreed with Frank D. Martini that the buildings were constructed to withstand the impact of those airliners.

01:54:10.000 His point here is either deliberately deceiving us or he's utterly incompetent because he has no familiarity with the facts of the case.

01:54:17.000 Well, I mean, let's ask him.

01:54:18.000 Why are you doing this?

01:54:19.000 I think he's told us he doesn't believe the story we've put out.

01:54:23.000 I guess he believes the official story.

01:54:25.000 I know when he says that there's one official story, that is not the case.

01:54:28.000 The government Constantly changing its story, or maybe Jonathan's missed that.

01:54:34.000 Jonathan, your comments?

01:54:36.000 Well, the Boeing website reports the mass fully loaded as being double for the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center than a 707.

01:54:44.000 And the theory in the 60s was that an aircraft going around 180 miles an hour lost from the airport might hit it.

01:54:52.000 Philosophy professor Fitzer apparently doesn't know that the kinetic energy increases with a square of speed.

01:54:59.000 Well, listen, you're a lawyer.

01:55:01.000 He's a professor.

01:55:03.000 We all have rights to have our views and study.

01:55:05.000 But you keep implying by saying he's a philosophy professor that we don't have a bunch of scientists trained in engineering and physics that have come to the same conclusion.

01:55:16.000 He appears not even to know that my Ph.D. is in the history of science and the philosophy of science.

01:55:21.000 The history of science is dominated by physics.

01:55:24.000 He doesn't understand I've published 27 books on technical subjects.

01:55:27.000 And have taught critical thinking, logic, and scientific reasoning for 35 years.

01:55:31.000 I can spot blunders when they occur, and you commit them all the time.

01:55:36.000 I've explained them to you, and you went ahead and published them anyway. 0.98

01:55:39.000 That's completely irresponsible, and the product is intellectual rubbish.

01:55:47.000 He's emailed WorldNet daily and has said of the numerous false statements made in the article by John Mosley that you recently published, at least one should remain and result in legal action.

01:55:58.000 Anyone who actually listened to the C-SPAN broadcast and 9-11 Scholars Group can clearly hear that Mosley's quote of Stephen Jones is inaccurate to say the least.

01:56:07.000 Dr. Jones did not say that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals, and Dr. Jones has not promoted violence in any of his presentations.

01:56:15.000 A correction of this libelous error might be wise choice.

01:56:19.000 Thanks, Kevin Ryan, UL Laboratories' former underwriter-engineer.

01:56:23.000 You want to comment to his email he's put out?

01:56:25.000 Millions of people thought I think this guy ought to be reported to the Board of Ethics that in his domain this is completely unethical and corrupt behavior.

01:56:35.000 Well, Mr. Professor Fetzer repeatedly says that the weight of one floor is not enough to bring down subsequent floors.

01:56:41.000 No, in full note, well, the 29 floors, the 35 floors... Mostly you're jumping around.

01:56:45.000 We're talking about Steve Jones and your libel of him.

01:56:48.000 I was there, buddy.

01:56:49.000 He didn't say what you claimed.

01:56:50.000 We're talking about why the University of Minnesota should fire you, Mr. Professor Fetzer, because you're specifically lying.

01:56:57.000 They made me a distinguished McKnight University professor.

01:57:01.000 You better check it out, Mosley.

01:57:02.000 Your logic is atrocious.

01:57:06.000 We are out of time, ladies and gentlemen.

01:57:09.000 Professor Fetzer, thank you for coming on.

01:57:10.000 My pleasure, Alex.

01:57:11.000 Jonathan Mosley, will we see more articles from you?

01:57:16.000 Well, I didn't get to debate or say much here.

01:57:19.000 I guess you might, especially on Thermite.

01:57:22.000 Oh, you've got probably 20 minutes to talk.

01:57:25.000 It's not fair you've got to say plenty.

01:57:27.000 Well, listen, you can come back on.

01:57:29.000 We'll set you back up next week.

01:57:31.000 God bless, folks.

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01:57:40.000 Big Brother. Mainstream media.

01:57:52.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:54.000 You want answers?

01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:58.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:07.000 Author, researcher, professor.

01:58:11.000 He's gonna be joining us coming up in the next segment.

01:58:16.000 Peter Dale Scott, 9-11.

01:58:20.000 Written new book with David Ray Griffin.

01:58:24.000 Right now, I got so upset in the last segment talking about CBS News and New York Post admitting that thousands are already dead, hundreds are dying every few months.

01:58:33.000 They're testing their lungs.

01:58:35.000 It's full of asbestos and mercury.

01:58:38.000 The Feds even blocked funding and disability payments to the police and firemen.

01:58:42.000 I know I'm bad because I want the police and firemen to be taken care of.

01:58:45.000 I understand.

01:58:47.000 And you guys would machine gun my head in a second if the murderers that attacked us on 9-11 told you to.

01:58:52.000 I just, I can't understand it. 1.00

01:58:54.000 It's like some black slave licking the boots of their master. 1.00

01:58:57.000 You know, there was reports of the house slaves would go out and beat the other blacks out in the field. 0.99

01:59:03.000 You cops are the same way. 0.99

01:59:04.000 You make me sick. 0.98

01:59:06.000 I mean, there's no other way to even try to I'm about to go completely ape. 0.59

01:59:10.000 I'm not going to blow up, folks.

01:59:11.000 I don't have the energy to do it these days.

01:59:15.000 Going back to John Roberts and Matt Dayton.

01:59:17.000 They're going to have a protest down on UT campus this weekend. 0.62

01:59:22.000 On Monday, excuse me.

01:59:24.000 Tell us those times again, gentlemen, and then tell us your number or contact info for folks that want to help you flyer this weekend.

01:59:31.000 I guess there's something to it.

01:59:32.000 There's a UT game.

01:59:34.000 Go tailgate and get drunk. 0.99

01:59:38.000 And just wait for the government to blow up a Chicago with a nuke and then you can have your kids drafted and they can come back in body bags. 0.62

01:59:45.000 Don't go help these young men. 1.00

01:59:46.000 Go suck your thumbs at a UT football game. 1.00

01:59:49.000 Okay? 1.00

01:59:50.000 Don't be in a real war.

01:59:51.000 Go to a simulated war.

01:59:53.000 Go to a gladiatorial mind control operation.

01:59:56.000 I know I'm bad because I don't... I'm telling you to go to a protest.

02:00:00.000 I'm telling you to flyer this weekend instead of sucking your thumbs as the ship goes down.

02:00:06.000 Alright, John Roberts, Matt Dayton, fighting hard on the front lines.

02:00:11.000 How do folks get in contact with you now and help you flyer?

02:00:14.000 Well, I guess, first of all, my phone number is 210-875-0614.

02:00:17.000 Say it again, slowly.

02:00:18.000 Sure.

02:00:18.000 210-875-0614.

02:00:18.000 875-0614.

02:00:20.000 Say it again slowly.

02:00:23.000 Sure.

02:00:24.000 210-875-0614.

02:00:31.000 You want to give out the other number, too?

02:00:34.000 Sure.

02:00:34.000 Go right ahead, Matt.

02:00:36.000 Okay.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 I'll say it again, it's 210-273-5170.

02:00:39.000 And I'll say the times again for the protests are at 12 p.m.

02:00:42.000 to 2 p.m.

02:00:42.000 on the West Mall, which is right next to the main tower at UT.

02:00:44.000 Monday.

02:00:44.000 02735170.

02:00:48.000 And I'll say the times again for the protests are at 12 p.m. to 2 p.m. on the West Mall, which is right next to the main tower at UT.

02:00:58.000 Monday.

02:00:58.000 Monday, yes, September 11th.

02:01:00.000 And then the second protest will be at 6 p.m.

02:01:04.000 to 7 p.m.

02:01:06.000 also at the main tower, followed by a screening at 730 of 9-11 Press for Truth in Burdine 216.

02:01:14.000 All right.

02:01:15.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:01:16.000 Yeah, thank you, Alex.

02:01:17.000 Thank you very much.

02:01:18.000 Anyone who wants to help, anyone in Austin, please come join us.

02:01:21.000 We need all the help we can get.

02:01:23.000 Absolutely, and we need to just continue.

02:01:26.000 I would hope that once you get your mass of people, you'd march to the Capitol.

02:01:29.000 Have you thought about doing that?

02:01:31.000 Um, well, potentially, yeah.

02:01:32.000 If we get enough people for the first protest, yeah, that's a very good idea.

02:01:36.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:01:38.000 Well, you better get enough people.

02:01:39.000 People better get out there and help you flyer.

02:01:40.000 That would be absolutely great.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, we've done a lot, you know, just the two of us, but we've gotten a pretty good, like, following as far as our group, and we've had a lot of help from people, but we still Any more help is great.

02:01:55.000 We need people to get copies of your flyers.

02:01:58.000 They need to go make copies.

02:01:59.000 It's not even an organization.

02:02:01.000 It's just attacking the enemy.

02:02:02.000 Exactly.

02:02:03.000 Take care.

02:02:04.000 You too.

02:02:04.000 Thank you for having us on the show.

02:02:05.000 You bet.

02:02:05.000 Thank you for coming on.

02:02:07.000 I told those poor guys to come down to the studio today.

02:02:09.000 I was going to have them in the studio.

02:02:11.000 So much bad stuff happened.

02:02:13.000 Professor Jones getting put on administrative leave.

02:02:18.000 All this other news about them admitting the asbestos and the people breathing in it, I just cancelled the main interview.

02:02:23.000 But we've got Peter Dale Scott coming on.

02:02:25.000 We're going to get some professors on to comment on what happened to Jones, coming up in the third hour.

02:02:29.000 We're going to have Kevin Ryan on, Underwriting Laboratories, who got canned himself, for doing the internal report at the Towers.

02:02:37.000 The official story was a fraud, so that's coming up too.

02:02:40.000 Powerful broadcast lined up.

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02:05:55.000 The Salt Lake City newspaper, TV station, others are reporting that Professor Stephen Jones, last night, and I talked to him just about 30 minutes ago during a break, has been put on administrative paid leave.

02:06:10.000 He's still able to conduct research, but can't teach his classes.

02:06:13.000 This is a political pressure.

02:06:15.000 Later in the hour, I'm going to give out the number to the Dean and the number to the Chancellor at BYU.

02:06:20.000 This is outrageous of a highly respected, tenured professor who has had his findings of controlled demolition peer-reviewed.

02:06:30.000 Even NIST, the The federal body that studies this has given five different reasons the towers collapsed.

02:06:37.000 Now they're backing off saying they don't know why and bombs could have been in the buildings.

02:06:43.000 So they're running scared.

02:06:44.000 Kevin Ryan of Underwriting Laboratories, of course, did an internal test of the towers falling and said the official story was basically impossible.

02:06:51.000 He was told not to publish his findings even though he was doing that job for the company.

02:06:55.000 They canned him.

02:06:57.000 He was going to be popping in, Kevin Ryan at the end of this hour, to comment on what's happening.

02:07:03.000 And just so much more is going on.

02:07:05.000 So a man who knows a lot about academic freedom, he is Peter Dale Scott, but he's here to also talk about his new book on 9-11.

02:07:12.000 Mr. Scott, thank you for coming on with us.

02:07:16.000 This is really sad to see this happening.

02:07:18.000 These Nazis are really attempting to silence one of the key bastions of free speech that's left in this country.

02:07:24.000 I guess the colleges will be free speech zones now, huh?

02:07:28.000 Or won't be allowed to in the colleges.

02:07:30.000 Well, it's a very distressing situation.

02:07:33.000 I think it's harder for, you know, people in the sciences and engineering and so on, where his colleagues get government contracts and so on.

02:07:42.000 I think some of the pressure has come from his peers who are frightened they won't get government business.

02:07:48.000 Well, we've got legislatures in New Hampshire and in Wisconsin, as well as federally, and in D.C.

02:07:57.000 openly calling for cutting massive funding to universities that even allow the mention of an alternative story on 9-11.

02:08:05.000 Yes, and I think that, you know, some places it's more... I feel fairly secure in California, but, you know, we have this book that's just come out, edited by David Ray Griffin and myself, 9-11 and American Empire intellectuals speak out.

02:08:23.000 Well, one of the items in there is Morgan Reynolds talking about the pressure that is being put on.

02:08:29.000 He's a professor.

02:08:30.000 He's also interesting because he's a Republican who, you know, was a hero for the Reagan people at one time.

02:08:39.000 But he's been put under great pressure at Texas A&M, and he talks about that in his chapter.

02:08:47.000 And Kevin Ryan, who you just mentioned, his story, he has a chapter in our book as well.

02:08:53.000 And also, Mr. Barrett is under heat.

02:08:55.000 They're calling to fire him.

02:08:56.000 At the same time, we have the former father of, well, the father of Reaganomics, Dr. Morgan Reynolds, has gone public as well.

02:09:05.000 Right.

02:09:05.000 And Stephen Jones's article, which has caused all the fuss, is a chapter in our book, although he also had it on a website.

02:09:15.000 It is.

02:09:15.000 It's still going to be available, but it was on the BYU website, Brigham Young University, where he teaches.

02:09:23.000 Have they pulled that?

02:09:25.000 Well, they've told him to move it.

02:09:26.000 I think there will be a hot link where it was that's still being negotiated.

02:09:30.000 But yes, it's going off the BYU website.

02:09:33.000 He sounded devastated when I talked to him 30 minutes ago.

02:09:36.000 Well, this is the man's career, you know, and I understand that they don't have tenure at BYU the way they do in most universities, so he has definitely risked his whole future, and this is a man who's doing serious research.

02:09:51.000 His other research is also controversial, but it's real.

02:09:55.000 He's working very hard at it.

02:09:57.000 Well, and he and his wife are just lovely, soft-spoken, kind-hearted people I've had a chance to meet and speak with and eat dinner with.

02:10:03.000 Yes, well there is a lot of wild stuff going around.

02:10:07.000 on peace in World Net Daily, I don't know if you know this, started all this when he first got called in a few weeks ago in the peace.

02:10:13.000 They falsely claimed that he called for violent overthrow of the U.S. government.

02:10:17.000 We forced a retraction from World Net Daily, but it was a purely manufactured report.

02:10:23.000 Yes, well there is a lot of wild stuff, isn't there, going around.

02:10:27.000 He's a very decent man and he's been trying to be very flexible with the university.

02:10:36.000 We were concerned in the book because his chapter makes much better reading if you can actually see the videos and things that he refers to.

02:10:47.000 And if you go to his article on the web, then it's all hot-linked, so you can actually see World Trade Center going down and You just see how unlikely it was that it was destroyed either by fire or by debris hitting it on one side because you can see it going straight vertically down at almost three-fold time.

02:11:11.000 You know, Peter Del Scott, let's start off here with who you are and the work you've done and some of the research you've done.

02:11:17.000 First off, tell us about Peter Del Scott.

02:11:20.000 Well, I was for many years a professor at the University of California.

02:11:26.000 I had been a Canadian diplomat before that and I knew just enough about the situation in French Indochina to be very concerned that America should not make the mistake that France did.

02:11:38.000 I started as early as 1963 saying this would tear America apart if it got involved and eventually I started speaking I didn't want to be a speaker because I'm a Canadian and I felt Americans should speak out about the war, but you know back in 1963 a lot of Americans didn't know where Vietnam was.

02:11:58.000 It was a strange word to them.

02:12:00.000 So I started speaking and I started writing and my first book about Vietnam raised the question about the timing of the death of President Kennedy just at a time when he was beginning to talk about getting troops out of Indochina, out of Vietnam by the end of 65.

02:12:23.000 So that got me into writing about the Kennedy assassination and my main book on that, The Politics and the Death of JFK, is still in print after, what is it now, 13 years.

02:12:37.000 And so I have been very open, my eyes have been open to the possibility of Or the frequency with which the American government has lied to its own people.

02:12:50.000 Well, let me bring this up before we get into 9-11.

02:12:53.000 Within weeks, right at about three and a half weeks, Christina Todd Whitman and the EPA reported massive poisons, massive toxins, asbestos, mercury in the air.

02:13:03.000 Then Bush had that removed.

02:13:05.000 They said it was a mistake.

02:13:06.000 Now the massive deaths and injuries, debilitating illnesses that have been caused by this, now city memos have been released, CBS News today in New York is admitting there was a massive cover-up.

02:13:17.000 We already knew that.

02:13:18.000 Now here's another example of the cold-bloodedness.

02:13:21.000 They just didn't want to pay for the medical care of all these people, so they just said there's no problem.

02:13:25.000 Right.

02:13:25.000 Can you give us your take on this now, breaking?

02:13:27.000 Well, it's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened.

02:13:31.000 I mean, I think the use of depleted uranium, DU, In weaponry, in both the first Iraq war and the current Iraq war, it's a terrible scandal.

02:13:43.000 And you know, you had a huge number of returning veterans from the first Gulf War, and the Navy refused to deal with them.

02:13:53.000 I've talked to the brother of one of these people, and the Navy lost his medical records.

02:13:58.000 Finally, they put him on 100% disability, but it took about eight years for that to happen.

02:14:05.000 And the DU is still being used in Afghanistan and in Iraq today, and also on the web you can see that the babies being born with terrible deformities in the Iraq hospitals, this is not recognized in any degree at all.

02:14:26.000 If you look up depleted uranium on Google, you'll get an awful lot of hits, but you won't get any from the U.S.

02:14:34.000 government.

02:14:35.000 What does this say about the mindset of the individuals that are willing to use weapons like this and then just tell the troops it's not bad for them?

02:14:47.000 I think there's a terrible separation in this country and it tends to happen as countries become powerful and turn from republics into empires that you get a greater and greater separation Between public opinion and the thinking that's going on in areas where there is no public review of the programs at all.

02:15:11.000 Well, you're right.

02:15:12.000 On issue after issue, you'll have 75, 85, 99 percent of people against North American Union, against the Kelo, New London, Connecticut ruling on property.

02:15:26.000 And now government suddenly, because I didn't see this in the past, He just says, we don't care, we're going to do it!

02:15:33.000 And it does show an imperial hubris that I think should terrify anyone who wants to live in a free country.

02:15:39.000 Well, I'm in a special situation here because I'm a Canadian and I came by choice to this country in 1961.

02:15:47.000 And I came because I respected America as an example for the rest of the world.

02:15:53.000 I mean, let's not forget some of the achievements of this country.

02:15:57.000 I think the Civil Rights Movement, You know, all over the world, racial relations can be difficult, but America has worked through its race relations to an extent in which in Europe, for example, they're just beginning to deal with the resentments of the Muslims living in France or England, for example.

02:16:22.000 I think they're behind America in that respect. 0.91

02:16:25.000 But what distresses me is the change that I've seen in America.

02:16:30.000 You know, I came to the University of California.

02:16:32.000 It was a free university.

02:16:34.000 Now you pay $20,000 a year or something to go.

02:16:37.000 It's become a class privilege, whereas it used to be for everybody.

02:16:40.000 The standard of living for a great many Americans is going down at the same time that the remuneration for the top 0.01% Are getting most of the increment in GNP in the form of income, so we're getting great disparity between the rich and the poor, and that's always a sign of a country on the way down.

02:17:09.000 It's a very, very... Yeah, it's a sign of a country going into centralization.

02:17:13.000 I want to get into your bottom line on 9-11.

02:17:17.000 And I want to, you've had a lot of good projections and predictions, what you see happening with Iran, what you see happening with this 5th anniversary of 9-11, where you see the Bush administration, what you think their next move is going to be, a great political mind, a great patriot for freedom, Peter Dale Scott is our guest.

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02:22:00.000 Exposing 9-11.

02:22:01.000 The book's 9-11 and American Empire Intellectuals Speak Out.

02:22:05.000 Edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter L. Scott.

02:22:09.000 Going back to our guest, this is a short segment where the long segment coming up plenty of time to To get into more details and hopefully have time to take some of your phone calls.

02:22:17.000 Mr. Scott, 9-11, I mean, we know why it was carried out.

02:22:21.000 A pretext for global domination.

02:22:23.000 The evidence is piling on top of evidence.

02:22:26.000 The official story is a fairy tale.

02:22:29.000 What do you see happening with Iran?

02:22:31.000 What do you see happening here domestically with the police state that they're for the first time announcing?

02:22:36.000 Well, how do you see this developing and then what are some solutions or ways we can keep bad possibilities from happening?

02:22:44.000 Well, I think Iran should be very much on our minds because I'm doing another book that will be out next year called The Road to 9-11 and I have a whole chapter dedicated to this group, The Project for a New American Century. 0.91

02:23:02.000 These are a group of neocons who wanted very much for America to play a much bigger role in Central Asia.

02:23:10.000 Well, they've got their wish in the form of Iraq, and I hope they're happy. 0.98

02:23:15.000 There are two big camps now, I think, in Washington.

02:23:18.000 There is the neocon camp, who have wanted an attack on Iran from the very beginning, and also Syria, for that matter.

02:23:29.000 This goes back, two of them were calling for this back in the Clinton era, back as early as 1996.

02:23:40.000 But I think they would like to destroy OPEC and see oil completely controlled by the United States and to be sold cheaply, break the OPEC cartel.

02:23:56.000 But there's also the oil companies in Washington, and whereas they agreed with the PNAC people, the neocons, on the importance of getting into Iraq, because they want America to have a secure base where it can control Where the oil goes to throughout the world, and Saudi Arabia is no longer that base.

02:24:19.000 Everybody agrees on that.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, Iraq is the real crossroads. 1.00

02:24:23.000 Yes, but the oil companies are not interested in destroying OPEC, because OPEC keeps prices high, and that, of course, means record profits for the oil companies.

02:24:36.000 Some of the neocons have left the government.

02:24:40.000 Wolfowitz is now at the World Bank.

02:24:43.000 And a very important firing, I think, was this man Douglas, I don't know how to pronounce his name, Fate, or Fight, F-E-I-T.

02:24:52.000 Fight, yeah.

02:24:53.000 Fight.

02:24:55.000 They're gone.

02:24:56.000 If they were still there, I would be very concerned that we would see violent U.S.

02:25:02.000 action against Iran.

02:25:03.000 Dick Cheney's there, we've got Rumsfeld there, we've got Oh yes, they're still there.

02:25:10.000 And Cheney, I think, is the most important one of them all.

02:25:14.000 We've never had, in the history of the United States, a situation where the office of the Vice President seemed to be more powerful in determining policy than the National Security Council of the President.

02:25:26.000 Well, Bush takes two and a half hour naps and exercises upwards of three hours a day.

02:25:31.000 I mean, he doesn't even read his notes.

02:25:33.000 He just goes out and bumbles around.

02:25:34.000 We know Bush is running absolutely nothing.

02:25:37.000 Well, just to come back to Iran, I have a piece about this on my website that I put up three years ago.

02:25:49.000 My website is www.peterdalescott.net.

02:25:53.000 We have a big link to that on Infowars.com, by the way.

02:25:56.000 Good, thank you.

02:25:57.000 Well, anyway, I said that this was just before the invasion of Iraq, and I said it would happen because America, it's not that we need the oil from Iraq for ourselves, most of it goes to Europe, but we need to control oil and we also were very concerned in those days to preserve the dollar by making sure that

02:26:26.000 OPEC countries didn't start taking Euros for oil instead of dollars.

02:26:31.000 That's what makes countries all over the world... The real world reserve currency is the oil, and the dollar is the currency for buying barrels of oil, but... And our listeners are versed on that.

02:26:43.000 The dam was challenging that.

02:26:44.000 He was starting to accept Euros, and in the beginning of this year, Iran said that they would create an oil boost, and that they too would, because they fell to Europe, so their position is Europe should pay... Why does Iran seem to be trying to goad the military-industrial complex into striking them?

02:27:02.000 Ahmed Dinejad's statements?

02:27:04.000 Well, I think that they may feel that they're better... It's so complicated, because you know, Iran actually helped America in Afghanistan.

02:27:17.000 And just at the beginning of the Iraq invasion, there was the senior Shia cleric in... Let's get into the deep politics, Mr. Scott, when we get back. 0.69

02:27:30.000 Give us your analysis, we're honored to have it.

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02:30:58.000 All right, I was out of the studio during the break and forgot to bring the phone numbers in here.

02:31:14.000 Will you guys please bring me the phone numbers so we can give those out in a few minutes to the BYU University President's phone number.

02:31:25.000 I'm also going to give you an email address.

02:31:27.000 We need to call them, be polite, but tell them this is outrageous.

02:31:30.000 We need more academic freedom in this country, not less.

02:31:33.000 The neocons have been calling for firing professors for the last year.

02:31:37.000 They haven't gotten their wish.

02:31:39.000 They haven't fired Jones yet.

02:31:41.000 They've got him on administrative paid leave.

02:31:44.000 So we're going to give you the phone number for Cecil O. Samuelson, the president of Brigham Young University.

02:31:54.000 We'll give you his information.

02:31:56.000 Kevin Ryan joins us here in about ten minutes.

02:32:00.000 One of the engineers at Underwriting Laboratories.

02:32:03.000 Who did the internal analysis and said the numbers didn't mesh with the official story of why the Towers and Seven collapsed.

02:32:12.000 He was told to shut up and when he spoke out he got fired.

02:32:15.000 Peter Dell Scott joins us and by the way in his new book that's coming out that he and Everett Griffin have edited, it has an analysis by Kevin Ryan in there so it would be great to have these two men together.

02:32:28.000 What is going on with Iran?

02:32:30.000 We know they made deals with Reagan for weapons to go ahead and hold the hostages and not release them.

02:32:34.000 We know they made all sorts of weird deals in Iran-Contra.

02:32:38.000 We know that they did help attack the Serbs, fund the Albanians to attack the Serbs as a pretext for the U.S. 0.99

02:32:48.000 and NATO and the U.N.

02:32:49.000 to go in there in the late 90s.

02:32:51.000 That's in Senate reports.

02:32:52.000 That's admitted.

02:32:53.000 So, yeah, what's, I mean, from your analysis, you're a former diplomat, you've studied these black ops systems, what's really going on in Iran?

02:33:00.000 You said it's a complex situation.

02:33:02.000 I agree with you.

02:33:02.000 Give us your take, sir.

02:33:05.000 Well, this is absolutely central to understanding 9-11, which is that the American government, the CIA, have been using Muslim fundamentalists for 30 years. 0.88

02:33:17.000 Going back in time, when they thought the big danger was that the Soviet Union would move into Asia, they backed the fundamentalists against them.

02:33:30.000 When Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 was threatening to, well, threatening he did it, he would nationalize the Anglo-Iranian oil company, the CIA and British intelligence worked with, actually I think the people around Ayatollah Khomeini, they worked with them then to get rid of a democratic, progressive, socialist, it wasn't even socialist, it was nationalizing one foreign firm.

02:33:59.000 To get rid of Mosaddegh. 1.00

02:34:01.000 It's just one example of collaboration coming down into the 90s with Al-Qaeda elements in Azerbaijan where American oil companies were moving in.

02:34:13.000 The British were working with them in Libya because they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.

02:34:18.000 All these secular leaders were being attacked from the right by Al-Qaeda elements, and that was with the approval of the CIA. 0.80

02:34:30.000 So, in the case of Iran, it's true. 0.99

02:34:35.000 You had the Republicans in 1980, they wanted to defeat Carter, so they We're meeting with Iranian fundamentalists in Paris and to delay the return of the hostages it meant that these American hostages in the Iranian embassies stayed on months longer because of the deal between fundamentalists and the Republicans to elect Ronald Reagan.

02:35:07.000 Hello?

02:35:12.000 Yes, sir.

02:35:13.000 I'm here.

02:35:13.000 I had my wireless headset on.

02:35:15.000 I wasn't given some material.

02:35:16.000 I stepped away.

02:35:17.000 I was listening to you.

02:35:17.000 Go ahead.

02:35:18.000 I was frightened.

02:35:19.000 I apologize.

02:35:21.000 I just got to get stuff done.

02:35:22.000 I'm sorry.

02:35:22.000 Go ahead.

02:35:24.000 So, you have a situation where the Americans... I'm sure, for example, that the CIA had people inside Al-Qaeda.

02:35:36.000 They admit they had one al-Fatah.

02:35:39.000 He defected, and then there was this man, Ali Mohammed, that I write about in my chapter in 9-11 and the American Empire.

02:35:49.000 He was very high up in Al-Qaeda.

02:35:52.000 He actually did, but took the photographs of the American Embassy in Kenya and gave them personally to bin Laden.

02:36:02.000 But he was only able to do that because he had been picked up a few weeks earlier in Canada by the RCMP because they mistrusted him because of his connections to some terrorists in Canada.

02:36:18.000 And this man, Ali Mohammed, gave them a number to phone in Washington in the FBI headquarters to an FBI agent called and sent And the FBI told the Canadians to release him, which they did.

02:36:35.000 Well, it's the same thing with U.S.

02:36:37.000 Embassy chiefs.

02:36:38.000 They'd have known Al Qaeda members going to summits, coming back into the U.S., trying to get visas overseas, and they'd say, you're a terrorist, and they'd get a call from the higher, opposite State Department saying, let them in.

02:36:49.000 This terror designation is a cover for anti-terror training.

02:36:53.000 Well, there was one embassy in particular, Saudi Arabia, with two consulates, and virtually all of these hijackers and their bosses, the higher level people, like the blind sheikh, Abdulrahman, they came into America on special visas that were issued by this office, whereas they should have been, and some of them actually were, 0.78

02:37:22.000 On the terror list of people not to be given visas. 0.94

02:37:25.000 And then back, of course, in 1993, the FBI took the bomb, trained the driver, gave them the detonators, let it all go forward, found a couple low-grade morons to do it. 0.96

02:37:33.000 I mean, it's the same story over and over again. 0.94

02:37:36.000 They had been observing those people for three years before then, and when one of them killed Meir Kahan and was picked up, and this was the Muslim whose home was raided,

02:37:51.000 And it was filled with terror training manuals that Ali Mohammed himself, who was doubling as a trainer for the special forces at Fort Bragg, this man, his name was Nasser, his home was full of these manuals.

02:38:10.000 And the FBI came out and said there was nothing found in his home of any interest.

02:38:14.000 Now, let's be clear, though.

02:38:15.000 I want to bring something else into this.

02:38:17.000 I want to give a number out in a moment to call BYU to support Professor Stephen Jones, who is being reviewed right now and has been basically suspended and put on leave.

02:38:27.000 This is a horrible attack on free speech and scientific research in this country.

02:38:32.000 But that's why George Bush Sr.

02:38:34.000 brought 3,000 Iraqis in.

02:38:36.000 Clinton brought in another 2,000.

02:38:37.000 2000.

02:38:38.000 These are Republican guard who were trained here in the '80s, deep cover U.S. assets brought back in, of course involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

02:38:48.000 And that way if any police happen to catch them or bust them in the act, oh it's just an Arab, oh it's an Iraqi, perfect cover. 1.00

02:38:54.000 Those 5000, we have good intel, are all over the United States right now ready to level major buildings in every U.S. city.

02:39:03.000 I tell you, it is so sick and we are in so much danger.

02:39:06.000 Peter Delstadt, do you have any comments on the 5,000 Iraqis?

02:39:09.000 Well, I'm an agnostic on that, and I should say, in general, my position on 9-11, some people are very sure they know what happened.

02:39:19.000 My position is I'm very sure there's been a massive cover-up, and that the cover-up extends to things that happened in the White House on that day.

02:39:29.000 And that we need to know more clearly what happened, why it is that the phone records are suddenly, there's like an 18 minute gap, just like Watergate when it comes to the crucial phone calls that authorize the shoot down of planes.

02:39:47.000 And then more and more importantly, something that a lot of Americans are not aware of, this thing called COG.

02:39:54.000 Which is supposed to be continuity of government, but which is actually a kind of suspension of the Constitution.

02:40:00.000 So, shadow government.

02:40:01.000 It went into full effect that day.

02:40:04.000 It was invoked on September the 11th, and most people are unaware of this.

02:40:09.000 And we've really been operating under it ever since with Homeland Security.

02:40:12.000 NORTHCOM being activated, which makes us a military jurisdiction.

02:40:16.000 But, Professor, before we go... That's what I write about in my own book, yes.

02:40:19.000 That's what you write about.

02:40:20.000 Well, excellent.

02:40:21.000 Before we go any further, let me just give out the phone number to the president of Brigham Young University.

02:40:28.000 Call the secretary.

02:40:29.000 It's not her fault.

02:40:30.000 Be nice to her.

02:40:31.000 But ask that she write down your name or information or your comments.

02:40:34.000 Make sure that notes be given to him and that the people of the United States support Professor Stephen Jones, who's been put on leave, basically suspended for now, and they're looking at him.

02:40:49.000 And all this started with fake hit pieces.

02:40:51.000 Remind them of this in World Net Daily, claiming that he had said things he didn't say.

02:40:55.000 Here is the number, 801-422-2521.

02:41:05.000 Again, that's 801-422-2521.

02:41:06.000 422-2521 the president of Brigham Young University and you can also email your support to Stephen Jones at physics underscore Office at BYU.edu.

02:41:25.000 Again, that's physics underscore office at BYU.edu or the number 801-422-2521.

02:41:34.000 And, guys, go ahead and call Kevin Ryan now.

02:41:37.000 I want to go ahead and get him up.

02:41:39.000 Can I just say something else?

02:41:41.000 Yes, sir, please.

02:41:41.000 If people want to know what Stephen Jones did that's so terrible to have caused this hullabaloo and to get him suspended, it's the article which is in our book and which is, I think, the sanest, most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that the towers fell and particularly World Trade Center No. 7, the building that was not hit by an airplane

02:42:10.000 He did a public service by assembling the scientific evidence for what really happened here, And because of doing this public service, he may be losing his job.

02:42:21.000 Absolutely.

02:42:22.000 One of the other individuals who contributed material to the new book that you guys have put out is Kevin Ryan.

02:42:28.000 He's a former site manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriter Laboratories, the major underwriting firm in the United States and North America.

02:42:38.000 And he put out just a letter to them.

02:42:41.000 Well, here he is, in a nutshell, to tell us what happened to him, and then to go through his take on what's happening to Professor Stephen Jones right now.

02:42:51.000 Kevin Ryan, it's great to have you on the air with us, and it's great to have Mr. Scott on at the same time.

02:42:57.000 Just please, in a nutshell, tell us about yourself, your story, and then give us your take on Stephen Jones.

02:43:03.000 Yeah, hi Alex, thanks for having me.

02:43:05.000 Thank you.

02:43:05.000 Can you hear me okay?

02:43:07.000 Yes, I can, sir.

02:43:08.000 Okay, great.

02:43:09.000 Yeah, I was previously a top manager at one of UL's divisions and I was the manager of the water testing division.

02:43:18.000 And the reason I got involved in all of this is because I was given information both verbally and in writing from UL's top managers that UL had been involved in testing the steel used to build the World Trade Center buildings.

02:43:37.000 So having this information, I was interested in the progress of the NIST investigation, of which UL played a part.

02:43:48.000 And I followed it pretty closely.

02:43:51.000 Mainly I was busy with my own job as well.

02:43:53.000 But in 2003, it was clear that our government was lying to us about a number of things that could be seen as worse crimes than the crimes of 9-11 themselves.

02:44:07.000 And, you know, in seeing this and learning more about the events of 9-11, like the destruction of the steel evidence, I was interested in hearing more from our Chief Executive Officer who had made the first claim that we had tested the steel used to build the World Trade Center building.

02:44:27.000 So I started asking questions about it, you know, I sent him formal written questions about Our involvement, I really felt it was UL's responsibility as the public safety guardian.

02:44:42.000 And just boiling it down, what was their public statements versus what their real testing showed?

02:44:50.000 Yeah, well, there's two parts to that.

02:44:52.000 There's 40 years ago where they tested the steel components used to build the buildings originally, and then there's August of 2004 where they did floor model testing.

02:45:02.000 They claimed, and I believe they never did test the floor assemblies 40 years ago, but they did test the steel components, the columns and so forth, that were used to build the buildings.

02:45:15.000 So, what they said is that they tested the steel, so then they continued in the investigation, and the investigation showed that the floors wouldn't collapse, and they showed that the temperatures in the buildings were nowhere near hot enough to soften or weaken any of the steel.

02:45:37.000 And so, you know, having all this information, and having asked numerous times of managers at UL, without getting any satisfactory answers, I went ahead and wrote the NIST scientists, and that's what got me fired.

02:45:51.000 I wrote a letter, I thought it was respectful and professional, and I just came right out and asked them, look, your test results show That the steel's not going to soften or even significantly weaken, you know?

02:46:02.000 That's just not going to happen at the temperatures you've provided.

02:46:05.000 And that letter is, of course, on the web.

02:46:07.000 They responded, of course, by firing you.

02:46:10.000 Now, how does this tie in?

02:46:11.000 I mean, you've experienced this.

02:46:13.000 Now, what's happening to Professor Jones?

02:46:16.000 Well, it's interesting.

02:46:18.000 Hopefully, it's not going to be the same outcome.

02:46:20.000 But, you know, Stephen Jones is a really good man focusing on seeking the truth.

02:46:25.000 So, you know, he's...

02:46:28.000 Just because you have a PhD doesn't mean you seek the truth, above all else.

02:46:32.000 But in Steve Jones' case, we certainly have a person like that.

02:46:39.000 He's being reviewed.

02:46:41.000 I would say that BYU has withstood the pressure for quite some time.

02:46:48.000 Some of the universities that have experienced this have jumped immediately to reviewing the professors involved.

02:46:54.000 And so to commend BYU, they have at least hung in there for some time.

02:46:58.000 You can imagine they're under a lot of political pressure.

02:47:01.000 I'm sure Underwriters Laboratories was as well when my letter came out.

02:47:07.000 I'd like to get a response now to what you've been saying from Peter Dell Scott.

02:47:11.000 Yeah, well I think that Kevin Ryan just put his finger on it.

02:47:17.000 Obviously UL is a business, but universities also are in business.

02:47:23.000 They live on government contracts.

02:47:26.000 The biggest universities are biggest because they get an enormous part of their funding from government contracts.

02:47:33.000 It's the old Eisenhower speech about military industrial complex undue influence.

02:47:38.000 Right.

02:47:41.000 You know, a lot of people think, well, the academy is safe from all that sort of thing, but it's not.

02:47:47.000 And we've just seen an example of it at BYU, and probably the people who are doing it may feel that they're not in a position of freedom because they have to protect the university and so on.

02:48:00.000 I just want to say one more thing.

02:48:01.000 Stephen Jones has been so reasonable.

02:48:05.000 He was saying he would take it off his His article off his site and put it up somewhere else.

02:48:14.000 It is going up somewhere else.

02:48:15.000 I'm sorry I don't have the URL.

02:48:17.000 But it's not like he was taunting them or being millicent or anything like that.

02:48:23.000 He's a very reasonable man.

02:48:26.000 Alright, both of you please stay there.

02:48:28.000 We've got Kevin Ryan on the line with us and Peter Dale Scott.

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02:52:10.000 Kevin Ryan, formerly of Underwriting Laboratories, and of course, Peter Dale Scott, former diplomat and professor and best-selling author.

02:52:16.000 They both join us right now today, and we were going to be talking about 9-11, and we are talking about 9-11, but there's this move nationwide, and congressmen, senators have openly called for cutting off funding.

02:52:28.000 to universities that allow their professors to have academic freedom.

02:52:33.000 This is a very dangerous chilling effect.

02:52:36.000 This is not what you're supposed to see in a free society, but it goes part and parcel with the free speech zones.

02:52:41.000 It's all part of this larger, larger picture.

02:52:44.000 Going back briefly to Kevin Ryan, and we're going to let him go.

02:52:46.000 I know he's a very busy man, and we'll give him up sometime in the future for a full hour.

02:52:50.000 Kevin Ryan, can you just, again, in kind of a synopsis, thumbnail sketch, For people that don't know, describe what happened.

02:52:58.000 You said, listen, you guys did your own internal studies and showed the towers shouldn't have fallen.

02:53:02.000 You did the test before and after.

02:53:05.000 Please go public.

02:53:06.000 Meanwhile, they were telling the public something completely different.

02:53:10.000 Who was putting, or did you ever find out who was putting the pressure on them not to release those reports?

02:53:15.000 That's a good question.

02:53:16.000 I've always wondered, was NIST, was the Bush administration involved in my termination?

02:53:22.000 I can't prove that, but I wouldn't doubt it.

02:53:25.000 And you're exactly right.

02:53:27.000 You know, I, my letter included not only things that have been largely reported publicly, other than UL's involvement in testing the steel components, all of it had been reported publicly, but now all of it is, is, is quite well known.

02:53:41.000 So at the time, it was considered outrageous, right?

02:53:44.000 This was only two years ago, almost.

02:53:47.000 And, you know, the thing is, UL turned around right away and said there's no evidence that anyone tested the steel.

02:53:54.000 They didn't say they didn't test the steel.

02:53:57.000 They said there's no evidence that they didn't test the steel.

02:53:59.000 Now, this shouldn't be a secret, right?

02:54:02.000 I think we can all agree that if Underwriters Laboratories is a tax-exempt organization working for all of us, supposedly for safety purposes, then they shouldn't be holding secrets back from us on what they've done, especially when it's so important.

02:54:16.000 You know, and this is very important.

02:54:18.000 I think we can all agree.

02:54:19.000 Well, that's a question I've got for both of you.

02:54:20.000 First, Peter Del Scott, where is this going to go if we see an explosion of 9-11 truth, the people now realizing there's a cover-up, and basic laws of science have been suspended by the Bush administration and both 9-11 whitewash commissions.

02:54:35.000 Peter Del Scott, what do you see happening in the future?

02:54:37.000 I mean, I see hit pieces, probably 30 or 40 of them a day against 9-11 truth in the media, but that doesn't seem to be working.

02:54:43.000 What are they going to do?

02:54:44.000 Well, first of all, it attests to, as Kevin just said, the importance of this matter.

02:54:50.000 I mean, if it's important enough to suspend Kevin Jones, it's important enough to fire Kevin Ryan, it's because they're very scared, and it's ultimately the people that will determine who comes out on top in this.

02:55:05.000 If the American people get involved in this matter and do a little basic research for themselves, Anyone with a computer can go to Google and become more knowledgeable about 9-11 than the poor members of the 9-11 Commission were, who were not able to look at the truth.

02:55:26.000 It's a very important matter.

02:55:31.000 Particularly if we get a change in the House in November that it could lead to the impeachment of Vice President Cheney.

02:55:39.000 Yeah, but the question is what will they do to stop this?

02:55:42.000 What will they do to block us taking our country back?

02:55:45.000 Kevin Ryan?

02:55:47.000 I don't think they can do much at this point.

02:55:49.000 Frankly, Alex, I think that the people are waking up and I think that's why we're seeing all this activity here late.

02:55:56.000 In a year, I know there's a big anniversary coming up, but frankly, what I see is that they seem to be very worried.

02:56:02.000 Now, I haven't even talked about this latest fake Bin Laden video. 0.64

02:56:07.000 The other fat Bin Laden video has been proven a fake.

02:56:10.000 They've proven that the new things they've released have been recuts.

02:56:14.000 Let me do five more minutes with both you gentlemen after this 60-second break, or 70-second to be precise.

02:56:19.000 And I've got a few final questions for you.

02:56:21.000 Then we're going to have Bob Dacey in studio and we're going to talk about 9-11.

Alex Jones Show - September 22, 2006

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