Alex Jones Show - 20060921_Thu_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:38.000 Paul Watson joins us on this Thursday, 21st day of September 2006 edition for one of his bi-weekly news blitzes.

00:00:49.000 He'll be with us coming up in about a half an hour.

00:00:51.000 Then we're scheduled to have Congressman Rangel on to discuss, well, his pledge to leave the Congress if the Democrats don't have a sweep of the legislative branch of the federal government.

00:01:06.000 We'll also talk about the legislation he's introduced to bring forward a national draft or conscription.

00:01:14.000 And then in the third hour, we're scheduled to have two different gentlemen on.

00:01:19.000 Who were infiltrators into the IRA and some of the famous cases where basically the IRA was British intelligence.

00:01:29.000 The famous case of the operative Steak Knife.

00:01:33.000 And Steak Knife will be joining us, so that is coming up later as well.

00:01:39.000 We will have open phones throughout the broadcast.

00:01:42.000 But I would like you to have your question or comment or statement ready so we can move to you and move to the next person.

00:01:48.000 Quickly, the toll free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.

00:01:55.000 They've zoomed in on the spinach after a week of freaking out and hysteria over E. coli, one death, and 120-something people sick.

00:02:04.000 Surprise, surprise, it's being connected to illegal aliens doing potty in the fields in Southern California and in the Valley area.

00:02:15.000 The precious, wonderful, illegal aliens. 0.66

00:02:19.000 The sun wouldn't rise if it wasn't for them.

00:02:23.000 The fish wouldn't splash if it wasn't for them.

00:02:26.000 The birds and the bees wouldn't mill about if it wasn't for them.

00:02:30.000 Everything!

00:02:31.000 In fact, the Earth was created by illegal aliens. 0.94

00:02:34.000 We breathe air because of illegal aliens. 1.00

00:02:37.000 I guess that's kind of true, full of tuberculosis and everything else.

00:02:43.000 But we will get into that report.

00:02:46.000 Hugo Chavez slams U.S.

00:02:48.000 protection of CIA plane bomber Posada United Nations and goes back into allusions to 9-11 being an inside job.

00:02:57.000 I want to read some of his quotes.

00:02:58.000 Great report Paul Watson's put out on this up at PrisonPlanet.com.

00:03:04.000 Also, we cover the CIA bombing of the Cuban passenger plane to be blamed on their own government.

00:03:16.000 In my film, Terror Storm, my new documentary, the little-known U.S.

00:03:21.000 government terror attack that Chavez just talked about yesterday at the United Nations is covered in Terror Storm.

00:03:30.000 It isn't just Jerome Corsi or Alex Jones or the occasional comment or statement about the North American Union from Lou Dobbs.

00:03:41.000 Big report here, this is out of the Toronto Star, getting closer to Uncle Sam.

00:03:50.000 And they go on to say that public and business leaders kept in the dark about North American integration.

00:03:58.000 It talks about a secret meeting with our leaders in Canada just last week about the North American Union and how they're being very secretive.

00:04:11.000 Because half the public doesn't know their head from the hole in the ground and doesn't know we're going into a North American Union.

00:04:18.000 And the other half is starting to learn of it and is hopping mad so the government does what it always does.

00:04:22.000 It just keeps it secret.

00:04:26.000 The end of our countries and no Bill of Rights, no Constitution, no private property, no nothing under this system.

00:04:33.000 And then another story here by Jerome Courts who rolled that daily.

00:04:36.000 North American CONFAB undermines democracy Attendee of high-level meetings says officials wanted to hide it from the public.

00:04:45.000 This is today.

00:04:45.000 Corsi basically just is reporting on what the Toronto Star broke yesterday.

00:04:52.000 So we'll cover both these as well.

00:04:54.000 A lot of other news.

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00:08:00.000 Big Brother.

00:08:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:09.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:14.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:25.000 Thank you.

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00:09:27.000 Come on baby, don't feel free Baby, take my hand.

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00:10:09.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

00:10:12.000 I am so busy news gathering during the breaks and being besieged from all directions that occasionally I forget these are three minute breaks.

00:10:20.000 So we are back.

00:10:21.000 Thank you so much for joining us on this live Thursday edition.

00:10:28.000 Thrust into my little hand, and I have been aware of this since Monday, is the official court ruling By the federal government that they are declaring total ownership and control over all waterways, all coastal waterways, all rivers and streams, and that no boats of any type are allowed on any of them at any time.

00:10:59.000 This is not a joke.

00:11:01.000 I have the ruling here in front of me.

00:11:04.000 So we'll be getting into that a little bit later in the broadcast.

00:11:09.000 America blog did point out today what I had pointed out yesterday that Bush bashes Syria at United Nations But sent an innocent man to be tortured in Syria. 0.94

00:11:24.000 Seriously, could Bush be a bigger hypocrite declaring that a more hopeful world is within our reach?

00:11:31.000 President Bush called on world leaders at the United Nations today to stand with democratic leaders and moderate reformers across the Middle East, but he also Criticized several countries by name, demanding that Iran abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions and telling Syrians that their government has allowed their country to become a crossroads for terrorism and a tool of Iran. 0.95

00:11:58.000 His audacity is amazing.

00:12:00.000 No, he just knows the general public is not very well informed.

00:12:05.000 He rallied against Syria at the U.N.

00:12:08.000 the same day after we learned the U.S.

00:12:11.000 conspired with Canada to send an innocent man to Syria to be tortured.

00:12:17.000 Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about Muslim Canadian citizen after which U.S.

00:12:26.000 authorities secretly whisked him to Syria where he was tortured.

00:12:29.000 A judicial report and review in Canada concluded on Monday.

00:12:37.000 Exactly.

00:12:38.000 We have innocent people taken to Syria by our government, by the Canadian government, by the British government, by the German government, by the French government for that matter, to be tortured.

00:12:50.000 Now, how is Syria not working with the hijackers of our government? 1.00

00:12:56.000 I don't want to say not working with us, because this isn't our government.

00:13:00.000 They are.

00:13:00.000 They have totally rolled over.

00:13:03.000 And this is just more evidence of that.

00:13:07.000 So Bush is criticizing Syria out of one side of his mouth and out of the other side, sending people there to be tortured.

00:13:15.000 I mentioned this yesterday.

00:13:16.000 I'm just going to get into it now because I wanted to cover it and I never did and I saw it in the top of the stack when I got in today to the office.

00:13:25.000 This is out of Reuters.

00:13:30.000 Gore says tax pollution, not payrolls.

00:13:35.000 Former U.S.

00:13:36.000 Vice President Al Gore on Monday suggested taxing carbon dioxide emissions instead of employees' pay in a bid to stem global warming.

00:13:50.000 Penalizing pollution instead of penalizing employment will work to reduce that pollution, Gore said in a speech at New York University School of Law.

00:14:00.000 The pollution tax would replace all payroll taxes, including those for Social Security and unemployment compensation, Gore said.

00:14:08.000 He said the overall level of taxation would remain the same.

00:14:12.000 Instead of discouraging businesses from hiring more employees, it would discourage businesses from producing more pollution, Gore said.

00:14:20.000 Okay, let me just stop right there.

00:14:26.000 Whether you believe in global warming or not, whether you believe what Al Gore is saying or not, the solution

00:14:38.000 that has been put forward by Al Gore and the IMF and the World Bank and the European Union is a global set of taxes against all forms of industry and then money transfers, private property, everything.

00:15:00.000 This is the global tax, the oil wellhead tax, the emissions tax, the Kyoto Protocol, It has nothing to do with global warming.

00:15:14.000 It is a global tax.

00:15:15.000 It will not reduce the use of fuels.

00:15:22.000 It will simply pass on costs to the people.

00:15:27.000 So even if you believe the fraud of global warming, There is no debating that this quote solution has nothing to do with your religious tenet.

00:15:44.000 It is nothing more but another way to fund world government period and if you think they're going to get rid of the income tax and they're going to get rid of all these other taxes when they institute their energy tax, give me a break.

00:15:59.000 They always say that when they're pushing a tax and once it goes into place Occasionally, at first, they'll lower existing taxes, and then a year or two later, jack them back up.

00:16:10.000 But they never get rid of them.

00:16:12.000 And on the other side of the equation, we've got phony neocons on talk radio pushing the fair tax. 1.00

00:16:19.000 Oh, it'll be so fair.

00:16:20.000 23% national sales tax.

00:16:25.000 Graduated with a poor won't even have to pay it.

00:16:29.000 And they say, oh, we'll get rid of the income tax.

00:16:32.000 They're not going to get rid of the income tax.

00:16:34.000 They're going to keep it and simply change the name of it to the social security tax and cut down the current rate and then jack up both of the new national sales tax along with the existing income tax.

00:16:48.000 And yeah, they're going to have, via the transponders in all your cars, the international money transfer tax.

00:17:00.000 The Tobin Tax.

00:17:01.000 They're going to have the energy tax via the transponders.

00:17:06.000 Transponders in your credit cards, transponders in your driver's license, transponders in your inspection sticker.

00:17:13.000 Folks, it is in the official NAFTA and CAFTA and North American Union documents.

00:17:21.000 It is there for the entire world to see that they plan to tax you as you drive down the road, and that this is part of the global tax.

00:17:40.000 It will be shared with the locale, the county, the city, the state, the federal government, and then a large portion put into an international kitty.

00:17:51.000 And that international governing body And it's different arms, our private, our run-for-profit, IMF, World Bank, Ex-Im Bank, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization.

00:18:04.000 There is no liberty, there is no freedom, there is no Bill of Rights, there is no Constitution.

00:18:09.000 Read Article 30 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

00:18:14.000 It says you have no rights in plain black and white.

00:18:20.000 That the state is all-powerful.

00:18:22.000 It is a declaration of dictatorship.

00:18:27.000 It's classic contract fraud.

00:18:28.000 The first 29 articles are how you have this wonderful liberty and that wonderful right.

00:18:33.000 And then you get to Article 30 and it says you have absolutely no rights whenever we feel like it, whenever we say it.

00:18:42.000 And you can't own guns, and you can't own private property, and you're an absolute slave.

00:18:46.000 Go read it for yourself.

00:18:50.000 And I know a lot of you are squealing and screaming.

00:18:52.000 I've read the blogs.

00:18:53.000 I've gotten your emails. 1.00

00:18:54.000 How dare you, you ignorant fool, say there's no global warming? 1.00

00:18:59.000 Oh, there's global climate change, and it is constant. 1.00

00:19:03.000 And it is quite violent right now, and you bet, large areas of the world are heating up and other areas are cooling down.

00:19:10.000 And I've got all the big climatology reports here.

00:19:12.000 I actually read these.

00:19:14.000 I don't just go see Al Gore's movie and then go get in a fetal position in the bathroom and roll around on the ground, you know, wetting myself.

00:19:23.000 Going, global government, oh, please come save me.

00:19:26.000 What is your global tax going to do?

00:19:28.000 Oh, by the way, It's a selectively enforced global tax against the Western world.

00:19:35.000 The United States, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe, China, India, and 166 other countries have to make zero emissions reductions or cuts.

00:19:47.000 So if you think the de-industrialization of this country is bad now, you think it's hard to get an industry job now, ha ha!

00:19:54.000 The fun hasn't even begun.

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00:24:27.000 Paula Watson joining us in the next segment.

00:24:32.000 Colorado State professor disputes global warming is human-caused.

00:24:37.000 See, this is reasonable, and this is what the science matches.

00:24:41.000 The Daily Reporter-Herald, global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause.

00:24:48.000 You see, I would just change that to radical climate change is happening.

00:24:54.000 But humans are not the cause.

00:24:55.000 One of the nation's top experts on hurricanes said Monday.

00:25:00.000 Bill Gray, we're trying to get on, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Laramiere County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame.

00:25:11.000 About 50 people were at the talk.

00:25:14.000 Gray, who was a professor at Colorado State University, said human-induced global warming is a fear perpetrated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants, and that is part of it.

00:25:25.000 I think we are coming out of the little ice age, and warming is due to changes to ocean circulation patterns due to salinity variations, Gray said.

00:25:36.000 I'm sure that's it.

00:25:38.000 But he's like every other scientist I've ever known.

00:25:40.000 He's looking at his one area of expertise and study.

00:25:43.000 I, on the other hand, am not a scientist.

00:25:46.000 I have just gone out and voraciously read what the majority, what the body of different scientific experts in different fields have said.

00:25:57.000 And I've looked at scientists in different scientific bodies that have had good track records in the past with accurate analysis.

00:26:06.000 And you know what they're saying?

00:26:08.000 They're saying we're having very serious climate change and that human activity is negligible in the overall compared to other inputs such as volcanoes, such as natural forest fires and things of that nature.

00:26:26.000 But then even those inputs or global climate changing engines Pale in significance themselves to that gigantic ball of burning gas at the center of our solar system that we orbit here happily, my friends, that's the real problem.

00:26:52.000 And if you will simply type into Google, sun brighter, or sun entering brightest cycle, The scientists thought the last 11 and a half year cycle was the greatest ever recorded.

00:27:04.000 Now they're saying that the new cycle is already online to dwarf that cycle.

00:27:11.000 And then hold on to your hat.

00:27:12.000 I know I've talked about this quite a bit, but it's pretty darn important.

00:27:15.000 The new sun cycle may be 50% brighter than the previous cycle.

00:27:24.000 And if it is, it's definitely online to be much brighter than the last one.

00:27:28.000 And they're saying if it continues to heat up and increase its burn rate, that is the nuclear reactions going on in its furnace, that it may be 50% brighter by the time the cycle peaks about seven years from now.

00:27:43.000 And folks, if that happens, Lord knows what's going to develop.

00:27:48.000 NASA doesn't know.

00:27:49.000 No one knows.

00:27:51.000 But you better believe this.

00:27:53.000 It is, in the short term, going to accelerate global warming.

00:27:58.000 And then global warming itself, if it's too quick, then it triggers a massive cooling that has to do with precipitation.

00:28:07.000 They get these flash freezes in the north and then suddenly polar ice caps get much larger almost overnight in the scheme of time.

00:28:16.000 It gets off into all these other calculations.

00:28:19.000 The point is, no global tax is going to save us from the sun heating up.

00:28:25.000 No global tax is going to save us.

00:28:28.000 I mean again, even if our cars were doing this, what does a global tax selectively put on the western world, on our industries and on our transportation, what is that going to do to stop the end of the world?

00:28:42.000 Oh my gosh, save me Al Gore, let me sit in your lap, oh please.

00:28:48.000 It's an emotional salve.

00:28:51.000 It is nothing but a crisis to bring in world government.

00:28:55.000 What happened 20 years ago?

00:28:57.000 The patents for DuPont and Dow Chemical ran out on Freon.

00:29:01.000 They openly went and lobbied the UN.

00:29:03.000 They went and openly lobbied the federal government. 0.99

00:29:05.000 They put out junk science. 0.89

00:29:07.000 The CFCs were eating the ozone layer and the earth was going to die. 1.00

00:29:12.000 We were all going to be dead if we didn't switch over to these new patented chemicals that they had in this new refrigeration and air conditioning system.

00:29:21.000 And they forced the entire globe over to it. 0.99

00:29:24.000 And here we are.

00:29:27.000 But then, on the other hand, they tell you our cars create too much ozone, our engines do, and so there's Ozone Action Day, oh, there's deadly ozone everywhere, but it's dying in the atmosphere, CFCs, ah!

00:29:40.000 It's just another scam, so good, if it feels good, look, be scammed, don't listen to me.

00:29:46.000 Enjoy yourselves.

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00:33:41.000 Each day we do the best job we can to warn you about the scams, the frauds, the criminal activities of the New World Order. 0.94

00:33:47.000 David, Brett, Dino, James, Ron, everybody, we'll get to your calls.

00:33:50.000 We do have Congressman Rangel lined up, always colorful, always engaging, always informative, in the next hour.

00:33:57.000 And then we've got former special secret agents coming on who have been intimately involved in government state-sponsored terrorism.

00:34:05.000 Oh yes, as we continue to expose the New World Order's criminal activities. 0.94

00:34:10.000 But right now we are joined by Paul Joseph Watson, who joins us from the United Kingdom.

00:34:17.000 To run through some of the news that he's been covering and documenting and breaking down for us.

00:34:22.000 Chronicling, I guess, is the best term.

00:34:24.000 Paul, good to have you on with us, my friend.

00:34:26.000 Good to be back, Alex.

00:34:27.000 You bet.

00:34:29.000 Paul, what do you think?

00:34:30.000 Kind of lay out some of the issues you're about to cover and then tell us which one you want to get into first.

00:34:35.000 Well, you were just talking about global warming.

00:34:38.000 You can go to space.com.

00:34:41.000 You can go to newscientist.com.

00:34:44.000 And read about global warming on Pluto.

00:34:47.000 Read about global warming on Jupiter.

00:34:50.000 I don't see many SUVs on Pluto or Jupiter.

00:34:53.000 No, it's just the SUVs' fault.

00:34:55.000 We need a global UN tax and that will fix it.

00:34:59.000 It's all, you know, perception is reality.

00:35:01.000 The British media, the British people are sold on it, basically.

00:35:05.000 And every summer when it gets hot in July, because it's summer, The BBC report, oh it's so hot today, it's so hot today, every single day.

00:35:15.000 And then this year it got to August and it was cold and wet throughout the entire month of August.

00:35:21.000 Were there any news reports on the fact that it was cold and wet?

00:35:24.000 None whatsoever.

00:35:25.000 It's all in how the media reported.

00:35:28.000 Well that's right, and globally the temperature is up about 2 degrees from what it was in the last 50 years on average, but that is part of, there is no normal cycle, just part of the ongoing cycle of the climate gyrating.

00:35:47.000 That's right.

00:35:48.000 The other subjects I wanted to get into were obviously Hugo Chavez's speech at the UN yesterday and the details within it that the media deliberately ignored, basically.

00:36:00.000 And then a little something about the prediction you made.

00:36:05.000 We've got Karl Rove coming out and saying that there's a promise, not a prediction from him, but a promise that there will Be an October surprise that will win the Republicans both houses in November.

00:36:20.000 Have you done a report on this yet?

00:36:21.000 This is new news to me.

00:36:23.000 It's just broke in the last couple of hours, so I've got a report coming out on it later today.

00:36:29.000 Alright, well let's run through both of those right now.

00:36:31.000 Let's get into Chavez first.

00:36:35.000 Well yeah, Chavez got up to make his speech to the UN yesterday.

00:36:39.000 Obviously he made the kind of jokey offhand comment characterizing Bush as the devil within minutes before he'd even finished his speech.

00:36:51.000 Duh duh duh! 1.00

00:36:52.000 Fox News Alert!

00:36:54.000 Hugo Chavez calls Bush the devil before he'd even finished his speech and that was what all the headlines were about after.

00:37:02.000 It's classic bait-and-switch when if you read the entirety of what Chavez said which we've posted on PrisonPlanet.com today He discusses CIA control of terrorists, specifically the case of Luis Posada Carrillo, the anti-Cuban terrorist and plane bomber who was on the payroll of the CIA from the 60s until 1976.

00:37:25.000 And being protected today in this country.

00:37:31.000 Well, that's right.

00:37:32.000 He originally started out, as I've detailed in the article I put out today, As the leader, with another CIA operative, Orlando Bosch, of the Commanders of United Revolutionary Organizations group, which was a terrorist cell, they carried out over 50 bombings and political assassinations, including that October 1976 bombing of the Cuban passenger airliner as it took off from Barbados.

00:38:01.000 All under the supervision of the then-director of the CIA, George H.W.

00:38:07.000 Bush, President Bush's father.

00:38:10.000 Ah!

00:38:11.000 Interesting connection.

00:38:13.000 They were arrested and jailed in Venezuela, but escaped in 1985 after they bribed the prison guards.

00:38:22.000 They were then transported by another Cuban expatriate called Felix Rodriguez to El Salvador to link up with Old Ollie North and become part of the Iran-Contra conspiracy.

00:38:35.000 So they were engaged in that role for quite some time.

00:38:40.000 You had Senators asking questions on the Senate floor as to why this known terrorist was being allowed to collude with the US government operations.

00:38:50.000 Afterwards he was released again into Miami and then he went on to carry out a wave of tourist industry bombings in Havana during the 1990s.

00:39:01.000 And then just three days ago the ruling came through from a Texas magistrate to order the Immigration Bureau to release Passada once again so he can presumably carry on the terrorist mass murdering activities that he's been doing for decades under the jurisdiction of the CIA.

00:39:22.000 And he's pled guilty to this before he's gotten out of prison, escaped.

00:39:26.000 And there's no talk of extraditing this convicted terrorist.

00:39:30.000 Oh, no!

00:39:31.000 In fact, he'll probably start having fun again right here in Texas.

00:39:35.000 Well, what's interesting about it is that Rod Riguez, who was Passada's handler during the Iran-Contra congressional hearings, actually bragged of meeting with Herbert Walker Bush George Herbert Walker Bush During those previous years so all along we see the protection of this individual this plane bomber under the jurisdiction of the CIA is protection and collusion with the Bush criminal dynasty

00:40:05.000 Yes the Bush crime family so we have that We also have his quotes concerning where he says, and the CIA is behind the other terror here in the US, and that's basically where he left it concerning 9-11, though early last week he came out and said, hey, buildings don't fall like that without explosives, and it's gaining momentum, the theory, the hypothesis that this was an inside job as a pretext to launch this global war of domination, to paraphrase.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, he gave that speech laying it out full board.

00:40:39.000 He alluded to it yesterday in saying that Americans who died in the U.S.

00:40:44.000 were the victims of the CIA terrorists.

00:40:47.000 Time Magazine did a report just last week, which I'm looking at now, and the picture is of a giant billboard in Havana which reads, coming soon to North American courts, the assassin with Posada Carriles Who was the guy that Chavez was talking about.

00:41:05.000 And George W. Bush!

00:41:07.000 And it's a picture of Posadas.

00:41:09.000 Posada, sorry.

00:41:11.000 And George Bush with blood dripping from their mouth, characterized as, um, in the movie, The Assassin.

00:41:17.000 So that's on a giant billboard in Havana.

00:41:19.000 So the entire world knows about the Bush protection of this, uh, terror, anti-Cuban terror cell.

00:41:25.000 And the fact that it carried out all these bombings and assassinations, but At every turn, the Bush family is instrumental in ensuring their safe passage and protection.

00:41:37.000 It's amazing, and you can break through that news blackout at PrisonPlanet.com right now.

00:41:41.000 Paul's done a great job with this report.

00:41:44.000 Shifting gears now to the second subject, you just brought up Karl Rove.

00:41:48.000 We have White House memos where they're saying, hey, we need to catch bin Laden or have a huge terror attack before the next election or we're going to lose.

00:41:58.000 We've got Back in the 2004 election, the White House told U.S.

00:42:04.000 News and World Report that, quote, D.C.

00:42:06.000 would be nuked, and we said to folks, don't believe that.

00:42:10.000 Since Roe was now saying, again, we will be hit, I will have to downgrade and say it's not guaranteed, because usually these people lie. 0.99

00:42:17.000 They are terrorists. 0.93

00:42:18.000 But, Paul, going back, you said there's been some new development that I am ignorant of. 0.91

00:42:24.000 Please enlighten me.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, it's one of these Newsmax reporters who's tied in with the Republican hierarchy who was at some kind of meeting with Karl Rove where he promised an October surprise that would ensure the Republicans held on to both houses.

00:42:46.000 He didn't give any other details as to what that surprise might be, but he made a promise that it would happen.

00:42:51.000 Well, I think we're seeing the surprise.

00:42:53.000 We've gone from an average of $3.10 a gallon of gas down to an average of about $2.30.

00:42:59.000 By the way, folks, just three and a half years ago it was $1.35 a gallon, so people now think a dollar more a gallon is a great deal.

00:43:05.000 You're being scammed either way, but a lot of... I see it as a good sign that they've pressured the oil companies at lower prices At least until the end of the election.

00:43:14.000 That shows that they're, you know, trying more of the classical things to get votes instead of blowing up a city.

00:43:21.000 But we're not out of the woods yet, Paul.

00:43:23.000 Go ahead.

00:43:25.000 Well, obviously before the 2004 election, it was in late October, days before the actual election itself, that we witnessed the release of Bin Laden campaigning, basically, for the re-election of Bush.

00:43:43.000 And John Kerry, controlled skull and bones asset that he is, even himself later blamed his election defeat on the release of that Bin Laden tape.

00:43:53.000 So when Rove talks about another October surprise, It could obviously be in the realm of the PR propaganda war front.

00:44:02.000 We've already seen a bunch of new Al-Qaeda tapes and everybody's starting to notice this, even mainstream media, that Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden just seem to work for the Republican Party because they just always pop up at the exact perfect time.

00:44:16.000 Well yeah, and we know for a fact that these tapes are part of a US propaganda campaign because Before the appearance of Musab al-Zarqawi, who was later pronounced dead for the 24th time by the U.S.

00:44:30.000 government, before his first appearance in a videotape rather than an audio tape, it was a stated Pentagon propaganda campaign to quote, target the U.S.

00:44:41.000 home audience in inflating the role, exaggerating the role of Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq, and they even went to the Level of, um, releasing fake letters where Al-Zarqawi claims responsibility for car bombings in Iraq and leaking them to the New York Times who, without question, splashed them on the front page of their issue that day.

00:45:06.000 So, days after that Pentagon campaign to boost his role in Iraq, to artificially boost it, came out, then we saw the release of the Al-Zarqawi videotape.

00:45:17.000 So that in itself proves beyond even the ridiculous fatty bin Laden tape taking responsibility for 9-11 that the Pentagon is behind these videotapes and they target as the victim of the propaganda the U.S. home audience.

00:45:32.000 You're right, Paul.

00:45:34.000 And I think, well, I don't think I know more and more people are beginning to see through this.

00:45:42.000 What else do you have on your front burner there newswise that you think is important? - Thank you.

00:45:49.000 Just to tie into the protection of Posada and this Cuban terrorist cell which Chavez was talking about yesterday, the Washington Post recently reported that a guy by the name of Abdallah Tabarek, who was Bin Laden's bodyguard,

00:46:09.000 had an affinity for Bin Laden, was basically one of his high-grade lieutenants, took Bin Laden's satellite phone during the Battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, headed in toward the Pakistani border while Bin Laden and others fled in the opposite headed in toward the Pakistani border while Bin Laden and others to, you know, hoodwink the U.S. military, military campaign to catch Bin Laden, which they released him and failed to target him over and over again deliberately.

00:46:38.000 Buzzy Crongod said they weren't interested in him.

00:46:41.000 So he provided that distraction so Bin Laden could escape in 2001. 0.70

00:46:47.000 He was arrested by the U.S., taken to Guantanamo Bay.

00:46:51.000 Nobody was allowed to see him.

00:46:53.000 The Red Cross tried to see him.

00:46:55.000 And then, after supposedly spending three years there, if he was ever there in the first place, he was released without charge.

00:47:02.000 And this is the very guy that helped Bin Laden escape in December 2001 at Tora Bora, so another example of the US government providing safe passage for their high-grade terrorist patsies, just as was the case with Posada. 0.97

00:47:19.000 That was in the Washington Post.

00:47:21.000 It's amazing!

00:47:23.000 Paul, from the outside looking into the U.S., seeing all the videos, reading the analysis and the press reports out of last week's historic demonstrations at Ground Zero on the five-year anniversary, what's your take on what happened?

00:47:40.000 Well, it proves that the 9-11 Truth Movement and the general awareness movement is now insipid within American culture and we are becoming the majority.

00:47:51.000 There's a good speech by Barry's Wicker on Prison Planet now where he points out that we normally would expect to see such a groundswell of sentiment in the American population, the people that are actually turned on and who can sing, not the dumbbells.

00:48:07.000 We would expect to see such an obvious groundswell reflected back from the mainstream media But because the mainstream media cast a veil over that reflection, over that mirror, we don't see it, which could lead to some people thinking that it doesn't exist.

00:48:24.000 But simply on the anecdotal evidence where Zwicker talks about, and you've had the same experiences which you've talked about on your show, he's going through airports, he makes jokes with airport security personnel about, oh, aren't you worried about all this terrorist stuff?

00:48:40.000 It's pretty frightening, isn't it?

00:48:42.000 And they just immediately snapped back, no, it's all fraud.

00:48:45.000 It's a giant fraud.

00:48:47.000 He's talking to people in the street who say the same thing.

00:48:49.000 He's talking to people who he boards the airplane with and they say exactly the same thing.

00:48:54.000 It's a giant fraud.

00:48:56.000 But it's not reflected in the mainstream media that now at least half and soon to be the majority of American people see this fraud for what it is.

00:49:05.000 And the anecdotal evidence suggests that The polls regularly suggest that our quarters are growing and more people are waking up.

00:49:13.000 So, perception is reality, and obviously we don't control the major bureaus of propaganda, and so they're not going to tell us that we're winning, but the fact is that gradually the fires of freedom are inflaming the entire country, and we are winning.

00:49:29.000 Absolutely.

00:49:30.000 Paul Watson, more great reports from you and your brother Steve Watson throughout today and the weekend.

00:49:36.000 Keep it up over at PrisonPlanet.com and PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:49:40.000 We have added a lot of new features to PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:49:43.000 A lot of new material.

00:49:44.000 The entire 9-11 Neocon Agenda Symposium. 0.72

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00:49:57.000 It was great to be speaking in that historic hall.

00:50:00.000 We've also got a lot of the other great speeches now up there for members from New York, and we have the weekly TV reports and just so much more.

00:50:08.000 All of my films, our books, prisonplanet.tv, Paul, folks should go there immediately and get a 15 cent a day monthly membership.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:50:19.000 In-studio guests, speeches, Alex Jones TV show, the best audio interviews from the Alex Jones show.

00:50:28.000 One other thing before you break that's interesting, we've got it up on PrisonPlanet.com, is Barack Obama's new book where he says that after shaking hands with people, President Bush orders his aides to clean his hands.

00:50:42.000 So, again, perception is reality.

00:50:44.000 This scrub, brush-clearing, cowboy hat-wearing, individual bush is actually the biggest fraud walking the planet.

00:50:53.000 Now, now.

00:50:54.000 He's afraid of horses.

00:50:55.000 That makes him a cowpoke. 0.92

00:50:57.000 Thanks, Paul.

00:50:58.000 Take care.

00:50:59.000 We'll be right back, folks.

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00:55:25.000 You're on the air.

00:55:26.000 Welcome.

00:55:27.000 Hi.

00:55:28.000 Good morning, Alex.

00:55:30.000 Two things on my mind this morning.

00:55:31.000 One, you're absolutely right about the global warming.

00:55:34.000 I recall a story about Dow Chemical Company putting out a bunch of propaganda about The ozone layer and hydrocarbons and so forth... The peak oil hoax was put out by Dutch Rochelle, Greg Pallas, BBC has the documents, but the fake liberals don't want to hear it.

00:55:51.000 They want to be conned by the oil companies yet again.

00:55:54.000 Listen, I don't want to breathe toxins.

00:55:56.000 I don't want to have all these poisons.

00:55:58.000 We should get on to new fuels.

00:55:59.000 But the point is, it's not destroying the planet.

00:56:03.000 That's right.

00:56:04.000 I remember they came out with this new Freon, which is much more corrosive and not nearly as good a quality as the original R-12. 0.64

00:56:12.000 My second point is, the neocons seem to be flopping at the mouth lately about an intending attack by sleeper cells.

00:56:21.000 I think the most disgusting of all the neocons, I listened to them just to see how skewed their propaganda is, is this guy Michael Savage.

00:56:30.000 Every day he goes on and on. 0.92

00:56:32.000 Oh yeah, they're getting ready to release a nuke in the United States.

00:56:36.000 Do you know his history?

00:56:37.000 No, I don't. 1.00

00:56:38.000 I just know he's a disgusting... He writes novels about men who lavish each other. 0.99

00:56:46.000 And he writes love novels about his little tryst with his boyfriends.

00:56:50.000 This is mainstream news.

00:56:51.000 No, no, no.

00:56:51.000 I'm not kidding.

00:56:53.000 These are published.

00:56:54.000 He was a best-selling author before he ever got a radio show.

00:56:57.000 Oh, top.

00:56:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:58.000 Oh, you didn't know.

00:56:59.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:57:00.000 Top writer in that genre.

00:57:03.000 Oh, yes.

00:57:04.000 But let me add, top beatnik of the 60s.

00:57:08.000 Top. 0.95

00:57:09.000 So, of course, a dirtbag like him is going to be out there posing as a conservative. 0.97

00:57:13.000 Yeah, he talks about it. 1.00

00:57:14.000 Hey, you think you're hateful, savage? 1.00

00:57:16.000 I hate big scum like you, you piece of filth! 1.00

00:57:19.000 You think you got hatred, scum sucker? 1.00

00:57:22.000 Sorry, sorry, that guy's a fake! 1.00

00:57:24.000 He's a fake! 1.00

00:57:25.000 He's a fake from the bowels of hell! 1.00

00:57:28.000 I agree with you, Alex, and you know your prediction that they're going to try another false flag care operation seems to coincide with this. 0.96

00:57:35.000 George Lloyd was interviewing some former prosecutor on the air a couple, two or three nights ago.

00:57:41.000 Peter Lance, give me a break.

00:57:42.000 All that was it, yeah, and he was talking about, oh yeah, it's impending, and the intelligence community is looking the other way. 0.95

00:57:49.000 They're inept and don't know what they're doing.

00:57:51.000 And see, notice I made the prediction they're going to launch an attack, and now look at them hyping it and getting it ready. 1.00

00:57:57.000 Absolutely.

00:57:58.000 I'm just waiting for the next tactical loop to go off in the United States, and then they can get their martial law rockin' and rollin'.

00:58:06.000 They'll probably even claim Saddam did it or something.

00:58:09.000 See, they had WMDs, but they already smuggled them here! 0.67

00:58:12.000 I am your beatnik!

00:58:16.000 I love men!

00:58:17.000 I am... Oh, you love men?

00:58:20.000 We love you!

00:58:22.000 I'm sorry, what else is on your mind?

00:58:24.000 Well, keep up the good work, Alex.

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00:58:34.000 Take care.

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00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:18.000 Well, he's one of the esteemed and senior congressmen from New York, Charles Rangel.

00:59:26.000 We've had him on the broadcast before a few years ago.

00:59:28.000 I don't think he needs an introduction to this audience.

00:59:33.000 This is a quick segment.

00:59:34.000 We'll come back and talk more with Charles Rangel.

00:59:34.000 We'll break in a moment.

00:59:36.000 But let's go ahead and go to him right now.

00:59:39.000 Congressman, thank you for coming on with us.

00:59:41.000 Good to be on your show all the way there in Austin.

00:59:45.000 Well, we're also on in upstate New York, so you're talking, I guess, to some of your constituents.

00:59:45.000 That's right.

00:59:50.000 The big announcement, you're saying that you're not going to run again for Congress if the Democrats don't win.

00:59:55.000 By win, how much do they need to win for you to stay?

00:59:59.000 Well, that wasn't exactly the way it went, but... Okay, well tell us, tell us.

01:00:04.000 Well, I had an interview and I was sharing why I thought the Democrats would be winning and talked about the war and the fight against terrorism, the incompetency of the administration, the corruption, the deficit, the obscene tax cuts for the rich, the cuts in services of veterans, and so it went well, and then the reporter asked me from AP, but what happens if you don't win?

01:00:29.000 It was such a horrible thought.

01:00:31.000 That I said then, and agree now, that if the American people are willing to accept another two years, for two more years, the domestic and foreign policy of this president, then there's no place for me in the House.

01:00:46.000 It doesn't mean I won't be active or won't be doing something, but I cannot see the Congress and the country Just be devastated by these blind partisan positions and just sit on the bench.

01:01:01.000 I'm 76, but there's too much life and energy in me to accept this happening to my country.

01:01:08.000 And if I can't do anything in the Congress, I am prepared to do something outside.

01:01:12.000 But quite frankly, I don't want to talk about this because from every indication, Americans are fed up with these things, and I am preparing and dealing with economists and all types of experts to see what we can do to sit down with Republicans and work together in a bipartisan way.

01:01:30.000 So, quitting is not on my mind.

01:01:33.000 Well, Congressman Rangel, we appreciate you joining us and just shifting gears a bit.

01:01:39.000 President Bush's chief strategist, Karl Rove, has leaked to Neocon Publications that he's planning to pull an October Rabbit out of a hat blatantly in October.

01:01:50.000 What do you think that surprise could be?

01:01:52.000 Well, I don't know whether it's much of a surprise.

01:01:54.000 It's already been said that the Republicans are soliciting a lot of money to Distract from what looks like a negative reaction on a national agenda and what they intend to do is to try to bring the contest down to the individual congressional seats rather than have a referendum on President Bush and that by doing this they intend to have a very heavy finance negative campaign against the

01:02:24.000 A Democrat incumbent or challenger, and so... Well, it's pretty late in the game for that to work.

01:02:31.000 I'm afraid that negative campaigning always works, and sometimes the later they do it, the less likely the victim of this, whether they're Democrats or Republicans... Then they don't have time to respond.

01:02:45.000 They don't recover.

01:02:48.000 Look what they did to Cynthia McKinney, boy, they're always after her. 0.74

01:02:51.000 Well, you know, when you know you're in the spotlight, you gotta fly under the radar, and, uh, sometimes there's a level of conduct that people expect, whether it's with guards or... or whether it's, uh, your lack of sensitivity, uh, sensitivity to other people's feelings, uh, and, listen, uh, these are things that you can expect, but you're 100% right that once they decide that there's any chink in the armor, any vulnerability, they explored it. 0.95

01:03:23.000 Unless it's vulnerabilities and chinks in the armor with Bush, no matter how much corruption he's involved in, it's all supposedly A-OK and wonderful and we should just all accept it. 0.86

01:03:32.000 Congressman Rangel, we've got a quick three-minute break.

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01:03:44.000 We have the senior congressman, a Democrat from New York, joining us.

01:03:50.000 Charles Rangel, stay with us.

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01:06:48.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:07:01.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:07:05.000 We've just got him for one more segment.

01:07:07.000 He's Congressman Charles Rangel.

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01:07:18.000 Congressman Hugo Chavez, and I want to get into the war in a second, Hugo Chavez obviously gave a speech and said he could smell the sulfur that the devil had been there.

01:07:27.000 And quite frankly, I've got to say that's accurate. 0.63

01:07:29.000 Bush is the devil of America's The Promised Land.

01:07:32.000 He really is turning a country into a police state.

01:07:35.000 Spent more money than all presidents before him combined.

01:07:38.000 He is not a conservative, by the way, by any stretch of the imagination.

01:07:43.000 What do you think of Hugo Chavez's statements?

01:07:46.000 Well, it's strange you would say that, because I just had a press conference.

01:07:50.000 Hugo, right now, is still at a church in my congressional district.

01:07:55.000 Condemning the President, and we've been the recipient of the generosity of the Venezuelan government giving to us the millions of barrels of home heating oil at 40% discount prices.

01:08:11.000 Something our own federal government won't do.

01:08:13.000 And something that our oil companies here won't do. 0.63

01:08:17.000 But Alex, to tell you the truth, I made it clear at the press conference that I resent foreigners coming into my country, in my congressional district, condemning my president. 0.98

01:08:29.000 And I don't want them to mistake the fact that because I criticize them, or because of Americans that speak out in criticism of our leaders, Republican or Democrat, that really should not give the right of foreigners to do the same thing. 0.92

01:08:46.000 As a matter of fact, Whether or not I agree with the President, he still represents me and millions of Americans.

01:08:54.000 Sure, sure.

01:08:55.000 But Congressman, at the same time, most of his statements were made in the United Nations.

01:09:01.000 I mean, where is he supposed to make it?

01:09:03.000 Well, my comments in my press conferences is in response to that he was doing this in my congressional district just a few hours ago.

01:09:12.000 What did he say?

01:09:13.000 Well, he went on to call the President a devil, and to condemn him, and, uh, you know, just carried on.

01:09:20.000 I love it!

01:09:20.000 He had his personal relationship with Jesus, and, uh, and the crowd loved it, too, but, you know, I represent my government, and, uh, I just don't like foreigners, uh, uh, being critical, because I know one thing, that if I was critical of him and his country, I wouldn't be around.

01:09:44.000 Oh, I bet Chavez would let you criticize his government down there.

01:09:47.000 Well, I would not depend on that.

01:09:51.000 So did you tell Chavez this?

01:09:53.000 No, I'm in Washington, D.C.

01:09:55.000 He's in Harlem, where I should be if I weren't in session, you know.

01:09:59.000 Sure, sure.

01:10:00.000 Well, I mean, come on.

01:10:02.000 Somebody's got to stand up against Bush.

01:10:04.000 It should be American.

01:10:05.000 You bet your life.

01:10:06.000 You bet your life.

01:10:07.000 I agree with you 100%.

01:10:08.000 And that is one of the reasons why I think And I'm pretty certain that we will take over the House and the Democratic Party as well.

01:10:18.000 As probably the Senate.

01:10:20.000 None of the electronic voting machines have their way.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:10:25.000 That is a threat.

01:10:26.000 What do you think of Chavez's comments about 9-11?

01:10:28.000 Now, Congressman, we have a majority of Americans, 68% believing there's a cover-up in a Zogby poll.

01:10:34.000 In the same poll, 42% believing it was an inside job.

01:10:37.000 Scripps Howard News Service, 36% believing it's an inside job.

01:10:41.000 The majority of Americans believe there is a cover-up I don't really think we have to resort to gut feelings.

01:10:46.000 When we take over the House, we'd have to file a subpoena.

01:10:49.000 Push your take.

01:10:49.000 Come on.

01:10:50.000 You're not going to live forever. 1.00

01:10:51.000 Let us know what Charles Rangel and his gut, in your gut, you know 9-11 is a big stinking rat. 0.92

01:10:57.000 What do you think about 9-11? 0.74

01:10:59.000 I don't really think we have to resort to gut feelings.

01:11:02.000 When we take over the House, we'd have to power a subpoena. 0.90

01:11:07.000 We have witnesses to testify under oath, and we'll be able, believe me, and if any time you put our troops in harm's way, any time we've lost some 2,600 men and women and got thousands of people that have been wounded and impaired for life, men and women and got thousands of people that have been wounded and impaired for life, hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed, you bet your life that Congress has a responsibility to provide

01:11:34.000 And the fact that we've been there and everyone says it's a mistake doesn't mean it was not wrongdoing.

01:11:42.000 I know as a fact that there were meetings by the Project for a Better American Century with Wolfowitz and Cheney and Rumsfeld and the guy there at the United Nations, Edgar Olson.

01:12:03.000 And they had already, during the Clinton administration, they were planning to knock off Saddam Hussein.

01:12:08.000 All they were looking for was some excuse.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, they said they needed a helpful Pearl Harbor catalyzing event, and without that event, they couldn't get their agenda through.

01:12:18.000 Can I get you, Congressman, your take on a majority of your constituents believing that there is a 9-11 cover-up?

01:12:26.000 I would think that That a lot of them thought that the president knew that the information, the president knew or should have known that the information he was receiving was cherry-picked and that with all that came before him he selected what he thought could stretch the Indicative that Saddam Hussein, even though not involved with 9-1-1, they gave the inference he was, that he had weapons of mass destruction, that he was connected with Al-Qaeda.

01:12:56.000 I know, but you're a master though, you keep going to Bush lying about intelligence to go to war, and certainly the experts are saying, Ron Paul on this show, Congressman, fellow Congressman with you of course, has said that he believes there will be an impeachment that starts up with the Democrats' win.

01:13:10.000 And he's even said he thinks it's good for the Republicans to lose control because it's dangerous to have such a concentration of power in all three branches of government.

01:13:18.000 I'm talking about how George Bush has used 9-11 to pose as a savior and as a king and as a hero, when in truth, the majority of Americans now believe that he's probably involved in it.

01:13:28.000 I want to hear your take on that, Congressman.

01:13:31.000 Well, I don't really believe that the president thought that his big gamble would cost so many American lives.

01:13:39.000 I really think that he allowed himself to believe that it was a slam dunk, that he could go over there and knock off Saddam Hussein, scare the hell out of Iran, and then share with Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan that America was in charge and that they had to get out of the way of Israel and recognize us as a world power.

01:14:01.000 And he just miscalculated and screwed up the whole thing, and so I don't think there's any question of that.

01:14:07.000 I'm not prepared to say that he got us into this bloody war knowing that now he is saying that he has no clue as to how the hell he's going to get out and that it's going to take presidents in the future to work it out.

01:14:22.000 You know, it's not so much him.

01:14:24.000 I'm concerned with the American people. 0.68

01:14:26.000 I don't mean to be avoiding or evading your question, That if that's what America really believes and wants, a president that could start a war and not know who the enemy is.

01:14:36.000 You know, I often say that if Jesus came to me in the middle of the night and said, tell the president, your brother, that we, the enemy's got to surrender.

01:14:44.000 All he has to do is describe who the enemy is, who he wants to surrender, what the conditions are.

01:14:50.000 He has no clue as to the terrorists that he's created.

01:14:53.000 Well, it's a perfect enemy.

01:14:54.000 It's an enemy that can never be defeated.

01:14:56.000 It's the Goldstein of Orwell.

01:14:59.000 Congressman, you have a constituent, Mike McCormick, the guy that found the flag at Ground Zero, the big hero.

01:15:04.000 He helped get some of the documents out about the dust.

01:15:07.000 The mercury, the asbestos, he himself is sick from it.

01:15:11.000 And three days after he went public at a meeting that I attended in front of the news cameras, he got raided by a federal SWAT team.

01:15:19.000 Have you heard about that case?

01:15:21.000 I really haven't.

01:15:22.000 I'm appalled, and I wish you could send me some information.

01:15:25.000 That should not happen to any American.

01:15:28.000 I'm really not surprised.

01:15:30.000 Well, I'll get Mike McCormick to contact your office.

01:15:32.000 Please do that.

01:15:33.000 I'll do all that I can.

01:15:34.000 What do you think of the dust, though?

01:15:35.000 It's come out that Bush knew they were breathing it, and cynically decided to block medical funding, and even give these heroes funding.

01:15:42.000 Well, they're catching hell now, and there's no reason why anybody that Rush to be a first responder should have their health jeopardized without the federal government being there for them.

01:15:55.000 They're just as much heroes as anybody that's fighting in Iraq.

01:15:59.000 Well, I agree.

01:16:00.000 And in closing, sir, You, of course, have introduced legislation in the last several Congresses, the Universal Service Act for a national draft of men and women, what, your version, 18-42, but I'm called a conspiracy theory when I talk about that legislation.

01:16:17.000 Does that legislation exist, A, and B, why did you introduce it?

01:16:21.000 Well, one, it exists.

01:16:22.000 It's in committee.

01:16:23.000 I don't expect that the Republicans would call it up.

01:16:27.000 And I introduced it for two reasons.

01:16:29.000 When our great country goes to war, there has to be a sense that we were endangered.

01:16:34.000 I think a lot of people have advocated for the war, but they don't want to make any sacrifices for it.

01:16:41.000 And when you're getting volunteers and paying them $20,000, $30,000, and $40,000 to be in harm's way, it just seems to me that this is a war where they're not well off or the ones paying for it.

01:16:54.000 And the well-off are the ones that are actually supporting it.

01:16:57.000 Well, Congressman, I mean, even if they go back to a draft, there's still going to be loopholes for the rich.

01:17:04.000 That's just not so.

01:17:05.000 First, we won't go back to the draft because it would be too easy to avoid getting involved in a war if you think you've got some good to say.

01:17:11.000 That's right.

01:17:12.000 Your universal service is even worse than the draft. 0.90

01:17:15.000 I mean, it's even more wide spread.

01:17:18.000 You know, we've got bigger threats than just the war.

01:17:21.000 We've got terrorist threats.

01:17:22.000 We need eyes and ears and education to help our people, like in Katrina, in case there was a national disaster.

01:17:28.000 You're talking about a big domestic corps as well?

01:17:31.000 You bet your life!

01:17:31.000 Yes!

01:17:32.000 There'll be millions of people that will be called up to serve, men and women, and no exclusions.

01:17:38.000 None of this the rich gets by.

01:17:40.000 There would not be any exclusions at all.

01:17:43.000 If you don't want to fight, there's something that you can do, and there's plenty to be done!

01:17:47.000 You can look at the competencies of the people at the airport!

01:17:50.000 If there's another major terror attack, Congressman, do you think legislation like yours will then finally be passed?

01:17:56.000 I think that once they realize, this makes more sense than just trying to embarrass the President, once they realize that national security means that you get young people in our schools, our hospitals, our airports, our seaports, And these will be patriots, and not only that, that they'll be entitled to service education.

01:18:15.000 We are so far behind in getting education available for our youth.

01:18:19.000 Most nations have a free access to education.

01:18:24.000 We have kids indebted for years after they're educated.

01:18:27.000 This would pay for their education.

01:18:29.000 Okay, we've got 20 seconds, Congressman.

01:18:31.000 Will the Democrats get the House and the Senate, or just one of them?

01:18:35.000 We definitely get one, and we have a great shot at the Senate.

01:18:38.000 Which one do you think is guaranteed?

01:18:39.000 Oh come on, it's the House.

01:18:41.000 The Senate has problems.

01:18:44.000 Better than a good chance.

01:18:45.000 Even Democrats couldn't screw this up.

01:18:46.000 There isn't a good chance.

01:18:47.000 Even Democrats couldn't screw this up.

01:18:49.000 Thank you, Congressman.

01:18:49.000 Okay.

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01:23:20.000 I had wanted to be notified when McCormick got online that we crossed our wires so he didn't get to get on when Rangel was with us.

01:23:28.000 But regardless, Mike, I brought up your case to the Congressman so you can contact him now if you need to.

01:23:35.000 But you had already talked to folks at my office.

01:23:37.000 You told me you got a lot of calls from media and others after you came on last week, my friend.

01:23:43.000 That's correct, Alex.

01:23:45.000 I've gotten calls as far as United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany.

01:23:51.000 I mean, the calls are flooding in.

01:23:54.000 Unfortunately, there hasn't been many calls regarding the assistance that I asked for.

01:24:03.000 However, I get solace knowing that The message is being put out.

01:24:11.000 That's right.

01:24:12.000 They tricked you into signing an agreement to let them in your house.

01:24:15.000 Then minutes later, after the detectives got there, they sent in a federal SWAT team.

01:24:18.000 They found an unloaded gun in the supposed free country of America.

01:24:23.000 You even have a permit in the nearby state to have.

01:24:25.000 There's a 48-hour travel permit, but they don't care.

01:24:28.000 They're charging you with that right now.

01:24:30.000 You need some type of legal help in the state or city of New York.

01:24:35.000 That's correct, Alex.

01:24:37.000 One thing I wanted to During the interview last week, I was a major, but I was not in the U.S.

01:24:53.000 Army.

01:24:53.000 It was an emergency services unit.

01:24:58.000 And also, I was not a paid asset for Homeland Security.

01:25:04.000 I don't think we brought that up in the interview.

01:25:09.000 I've been involved with it, teaching EMS, working for different agencies.

01:25:16.000 I've been involved with it.

01:25:19.000 However, you know, I am just, at this point, I am just so totally disgusted and heartbroken with the entire country that, you know, I never thought that I would just say, I'd rather not get up in the morning out of total disgust and dismay.

01:25:42.000 Well, we've tried to give as much attention to your plot as we can, and we'll continue to watch it and track it, and we're about to put up the video on the web of the interview that we did with you, both your speech and the interview we did with you in New York, and Mike, you've got my number.

01:25:56.000 As things develop, if you need any help or anything, give me a call, okay?

01:26:01.000 You better give Congressman Rangel's office a call.

01:26:04.000 He may be able to help you.

01:26:06.000 Do you know when your first court date is?

01:26:10.000 Yeah, my first court date is the 6th of November.

01:26:14.000 You know, the worst thing about it is the ulterior motive.

01:26:22.000 And the ulterior motive seems to be nothing more than character assassination.

01:26:28.000 Because Digging up the flag, being a hero, and I mean, I don't look at myself as a hero.

01:26:36.000 But that's what they said you were, yeah.

01:26:38.000 Yeah, but you know, you can be the poster boy one day, and the next day, you're handcuffed to a wall, and the only reason you're really handcuffed to the wall is because you're tired of seeing responders die.

01:26:57.000 You don't want to see cops die.

01:26:59.000 You don't want to see firemen die. 0.96

01:27:01.000 EMS or any kind of responder is sick.

01:27:05.000 And in the last three weeks, I've been with responders.

01:27:10.000 One guy needs a double lung transplant.

01:27:14.000 Another guy was a National Guardsman who served in the first Gulf War, David Miller, that you know.

01:27:21.000 Well, he was really sick.

01:27:22.000 How's he doing this week?

01:27:26.000 He's kind of staying at that plateau because he cannot get any sicker.

01:27:32.000 He's at the verge where the doctor gave him 90 days.

01:27:38.000 I'm just disgusted in seeing people that I befriend die, and there's nothing I can do to save them.

01:27:45.000 Well, Mike, you and others have helped expose the fact that the government knew what the dust was doing, and they're in deep water right now, that's why they're coming after you and others.

01:27:53.000 Have a great Friday and have a great weekend, my friend, and we'll talk to you soon.

01:27:57.000 You take care, Alex.

01:27:59.000 Take care, Mike.

01:28:00.000 And we wrote an article about this, if folks want to get in contact with you, it's up on PrisonPlanet.com, and your number's right there, my friend.

01:28:07.000 Okay, you gotta keep the faith.

01:28:09.000 We'll try our best to continue to expose this evil.

01:28:11.000 Take care.

01:28:12.000 Alright, when we get back, we'll go to Brett, Dino, James, Ron, Rico, and many others that are patiently holding.

01:28:22.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host, and the toll-free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.

01:28:28.000 We'll go to your calls.

01:28:29.000 I also want to get into MBA students likelier to cheat 58% surveyed acknowledge dishonesty.

01:28:39.000 We'll be right back.

01:28:39.000 Stay with us.

01:28:44.000 We're on the march.

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01:32:00.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:32:05.000 We are becoming a decadent and degenerate society. 1.00

01:32:10.000 We have gotten fat, dumb, and happy off of the labor of our forefathers and mothers. 0.97

01:32:17.000 And not only do the yuppies, the so-called middle class, Groups out there in the Western world believe that only caring about themselves gets them ahead. 0.99

01:32:28.000 They also think that they can lie, they can cheat, they can steal, and that that is going to be acceptable.

01:32:35.000 But pretty soon when an entire society starts to lie, cheat, and steal, that society comes to a screeching halt and falls apart and implodes on itself, and you end up looking like India or Mexico. 0.99

01:32:49.000 And that's the way the U.S.

01:32:51.000 is going. 1.00

01:32:52.000 But, uh, the gibbering public is so stupid they won't even know it while they're slaves. 1.00

01:32:57.000 You know, that's the... I mean, I would take some solace in it of, haha, all you corrupt yuppies think you're gonna get power out of this, but you're really gonna just destroy your future. 1.00

01:33:06.000 But they won't know that. 0.94

01:33:09.000 I mean, as long as they're ruling over some clutch of monkeys somewhere, they won't care.

01:33:14.000 They'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven, as the saying goes.

01:33:20.000 This is out of the Toronto Star today.

01:33:23.000 MBA students likelier to cheat.

01:33:28.000 56% surveyed acknowledge dishonesty.

01:33:31.000 Study blames focus on getting a job done.

01:33:35.000 Who says cheaters never prosper?

01:33:37.000 MBA students in Canada and the United States are more likely to cheat than students in other disciplines because they believe it is how the business world operates.

01:33:46.000 Well, that's not how it operated in the past.

01:33:50.000 And people don't want to work with you or be around you if you do cheat and lie.

01:33:55.000 Though, no, I don't know.

01:33:57.000 Here locally I've kind of seen that in the Patriot community. 0.97

01:34:00.000 People like the liar, the cheater, the person that congenitally lies. 0.77

01:34:06.000 I just got an email the other day where I was told, we like this person and we don't like you. 0.77

01:34:12.000 Because I don't lie and cheat and do all of these things.

01:34:16.000 I am bad.

01:34:17.000 The person who lies and cheats and scams and is an embarrassment, they are held up as good. 0.68

01:34:22.000 So I guess in a way, actually, I'm wrong.

01:34:26.000 I guess this is the way to go.

01:34:30.000 MBA students in Canada and the United States are more likely to cheat than students in other disciplines because they believe it is how the business world operates and because they believe their peers cheat according to a new study.

01:34:44.000 The study found that 56% of graduate business students admitted to cheating in the last year compared to 47% of non-business students.

01:34:54.000 More than 5,000 MBA students from 11 graduate business schools in Canada and 21 schools in the United States took part.

01:35:02.000 Jim Fisher, Vice Dean of MBA Programs at the University of Toronto's Rodham School of Management said he wasn't surprised by the new development.

01:35:13.000 And they've also had polls where the majority of college seniors across the board don't know what the Bill of Rights is, and when they're given examples, they believe it's bad.

01:35:26.000 They believe the 2nd Amendment, 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th, 10th, it's all bad.

01:35:32.000 They believe black mask and torture and evil and corruption and secret arrest is good.

01:35:38.000 Because they watch shows like CSI where it's glorified.

01:35:46.000 And one academic expert said, those numbers are probably under-reported, said Donald McKay, the lead researcher of the study and business strategy professor at Rutgers.

01:35:56.000 I agree.

01:35:57.000 It says, since the survey was voluntary, more dishonest students were less likely to fill out the survey.

01:36:04.000 Exactly.

01:36:05.000 I've studied polls and surveys, and it's one of the main rules of it that if it's a controversial question, people will err generally on the less controversial answer and will lie.

01:36:18.000 So, 36% believe the government carried out 9-11?

01:36:23.000 It's probably 60 plus percent.

01:36:26.000 I mean, the average person gets a call, hello, this is Scripps Howard, Ohio, surveyed.

01:36:32.000 Do you believe the government was involved in 9-11?

01:36:36.000 36% say yes, it's a lot higher.

01:36:38.000 Most people, even if they think it's an inside job, are still going to be afraid and go, no, no, I don't think it's an inside job.

01:36:44.000 Just like Zodby, 42% believe inside job, 68% believe cover-up.

01:36:51.000 I would imagine it's more like 68% believe inside job, 90% believe cover-up.

01:36:57.000 And they go on here to say that if 56% say they lie and cheat, it's probably much higher.

01:37:07.000 And I remember in college that I had friends who told me how they cheated on their test scores.

01:37:17.000 Personally, I just thought the whole thing was a joke.

01:37:21.000 Having foreigners who couldn't even speak English sit up there and teach me things they knew nothing about. 1.00

01:37:26.000 I just quit college.

01:37:29.000 It was a complete waste of time.

01:37:31.000 But that's what college is.

01:37:32.000 It's a bunch of foreigners Jibbering on both sides and paying exorbitant amounts of money for something that's completely worthless. 1.00

01:37:41.000 And I'm sorry if you've spent a hundred grand on your kids going to college.

01:37:45.000 You don't like hearing that.

01:37:46.000 That's just my opinion.

01:37:48.000 Put it in your pipe and smoke it if you believe it. 0.99

01:37:51.000 If you don't, just throw it in the trash. 0.65

01:37:54.000 And of course, I always oversimplify.

01:37:56.000 Obviously for engineering or for mathematics or if you want to be a physicist, you need college.

01:38:05.000 I don't know what they're learning in business school.

01:38:08.000 I don't know what they're learning in the arts.

01:38:09.000 I don't know what you're paying for, you know, sociology, psychology.

01:38:14.000 It's a big joke.

01:38:16.000 I mean, really, it is a big joke.

01:38:18.000 And it might not have been 20, 30 years ago.

01:38:22.000 I mean, you got top-flight professors.

01:38:24.000 You got to sit there in the big auditorium seating.

01:38:26.000 You got to have real discussions.

01:38:28.000 Now you go in there, folks, and there will be a foreigner who speaks no English. 1.00

01:38:31.000 And they will walk in and give you your assignment for five minutes and walk out.

01:38:37.000 And I mean, that's even mid-level courses.

01:38:39.000 So, let me tell parents right now.

01:38:41.000 Do not waste your children's time sending them to college.

01:38:44.000 Unless you're sending your daughter to find a rich husband.

01:38:47.000 I know that's what most of you do.

01:38:49.000 That's the main reason for women to go to college nowadays. 1.00

01:38:52.000 But, that's the funny thing.

01:38:55.000 Sixty percent of college graduates now in this country are women. 0.98

01:38:59.000 They're talking about this big gap and, oh, men are being left behind.

01:39:04.000 We aren't given grants or money to go to college.

01:39:07.000 Men are ignored and men are, oh, poor men, but it's still men making the most money, men starting most of the new businesses, men doing the best in business because men are the most highly motivated.

01:39:19.000 And I'm not saying there aren't really smart, super cool women who will outdo a man any day. 1.00

01:39:24.000 My point is that these colleges are a joke.

01:39:29.000 Okay, now I've really digressed off the map, and I apologize.

01:39:34.000 Obviously, a lot of you get something great out of college, and I just, more and more, it's a joke.

01:39:42.000 That's my point.

01:39:44.000 I mean, it must be failing if the vast majority don't know what the First Amendment is, and 56% think cheating's good.

01:39:53.000 Because that's how you get ahead in business.

01:39:55.000 No, that's not how you get ahead in business.

01:39:57.000 You might get ahead for a few months, then you get caught.

01:40:00.000 Then you lose your job.

01:40:02.000 Then you go to jail.

01:40:03.000 Then you get a bad name in the community.

01:40:06.000 Now, that's mid-level.

01:40:08.000 Cheating and stealing is the way at the higher levels, and I guess people are talking about that.

01:40:14.000 But again, then it's a synthesis of evil.

01:40:16.000 You've got really smart evil people up above you who use your corruption to burn you.

01:40:21.000 More of a reason to not be involved in corruption.

01:40:24.000 Alright, now I really have digressed.

01:40:25.000 Let's go to your calls here today.

01:40:28.000 Brett, where are you calling us from?

01:40:32.000 Missouri.

01:40:32.000 Hello, my friend.

01:40:33.000 How are you doing today?

01:40:35.000 Pretty good.

01:40:35.000 Hey, a little bit off topic today, but it's kind of stuck in my mind because I just heard it this morning.

01:40:40.000 Aaron Russo was on Man Cow Show.

01:40:43.000 And the more I listen to it, I think Man Cow is controlled, and I wondered what you thought about that.

01:40:48.000 I haven't been on Man Cow lately.

01:40:49.000 I need to get back on the show.

01:40:50.000 I know he's got a lot of listeners, and I appreciate him having me on to talk about issues that are important, and I'm not going to bash venues that let me get on and reach millions of people, but I'm not a listener to Man Cow, so I don't know.

01:41:04.000 He seems pretty fair when I'm on the show.

01:41:06.000 He lets me come on and talk about 9-11 being an inside job.

01:41:09.000 Well, Russo was talking about his movie.

01:41:14.000 Mancow, I will give him credit, he openly talks about the New World Order, they talked about the big banks running everything, but the one thing that caught my attention was the subject of 9-11 come up, and Rousseau mentioned Building 7.

01:41:27.000 And Mancow says, you know, I don't believe in the conspiracies, I don't believe a plane hit the Pentagon, and Rousseau, I give him credit, he held his ground well, and he said, all I'm asking about is Building 7.

01:41:39.000 He said, I'm not talking about the Pentagon.

01:41:41.000 He said, explain to me how Building 7 fell.

01:41:46.000 Mancow just really seemed to avoid that question, and kept trying to steer the conversation away from Building 7, and start going down the conspiracy route, and Russo just said, hey, all I'm talking about is Building 7.

01:42:01.000 So that kind of made me wonder, and earlier in the conversation they were talking about The elections and voting fraud, and Mancow said that he didn't believe that Bush stole Ohio.

01:42:18.000 Well, it's good that we don't have to judge the world through the eyes of Mancow. 0.99

01:42:26.000 I mean, we have the evidence that there's election fraud.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, I was just curious on your take on it, because he has a pretty vast audience, and there's a big part of me that appreciates what he's doing, but then it makes me wonder if he's not part of the bigger picture.

01:42:39.000 I think people like Mancow are trying to survive and keep their radio show.

01:42:45.000 I'm not too intellectual in the radio business, so I'm not really sure.

01:42:51.000 I don't listen to the show, so I don't know.

01:42:53.000 If you have another minute or so, I was wondering, I'm curious about Mike Judge.

01:42:58.000 Good guy, knows all about the New World Order.

01:43:01.000 Obviously.

01:43:02.000 Have you seen Idiocracy now?

01:43:04.000 No, I haven't seen Idiocracy, but I've watched King of the Hill over the years, and there has been some very numerous comments made in the dialogue on the animated cartoon King of the Hill.

01:43:17.000 I was just curious on how he gets away with that on the Fox Network.

01:43:22.000 Well, he gets away with it because he's had other hit TV shows, but his Idiocracy, which really takes aim at the New World Order, would have been a big movie, but Fox did kill it, and literally just said, we're not going to distribute this, and so it's dying on the vine.

01:43:38.000 I think it's only in like 20 or 30 cities right now, and I keep meaning to write an article about Idiocracy, and maybe even try to get Mike Judge on, but that's basically it.

01:43:50.000 Okay, I was just curious, you know, because there's been some pretty blatant undertones on some of his series that were on the Fox Network, and I just wondered if he was flipping that stuff in, or if they were just letting him go away with a certain amount of it, or, you know, I wasn't sure how that worked.

01:44:05.000 Yep, thanks for the call, appreciate it.

01:44:07.000 Dino, where are you calling us from?

01:44:09.000 Hi, Alex.

01:44:10.000 Yes, where are you calling us from?

01:44:13.000 Eugene, Oregon.

01:44:14.000 Welcome!

01:44:15.000 You know, I became an info warrior After about six months of listening to you.

01:44:23.000 And it's the hardest job I've ever had.

01:44:25.000 It's fun though, isn't it?

01:44:27.000 It is, but the first couple times that I went out there to restaurants and I told people, hey, 9-11 was an inside job and here's some information, the next day I got home and I was worried that I was going to get in trouble, I was going to get a call, get arrested.

01:44:40.000 I mean, it's a hard life to lead.

01:44:42.000 But every morning when I wake up, my brain tells me, don't forget about 9-11, don't forget it was an inside job, don't forget to tell people about it.

01:44:50.000 Well, I mean, listen, we're in a lot of trouble if we don't expose this.

01:44:55.000 Have you seen the new reports from Dubai?

01:44:59.000 The interviewer, the last name of M.I.R.

01:45:01.000 Murr, he interviewed Osama Bin Laden.

01:45:05.000 He's interviewed a Taliban general recently that says, I have it here on World Net Daily and a few other places where It says that they've already got a nuke inside America.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, no, I mean, listen, I put the alert out a month ago saying this is the prime zone the next few months for a staged government terror attack, and they're pulling out all the stops for the election, hyping that it's about to happen, and anybody who believes bin Laden is still alive, anybody who believes these interviews are real, I got a bridge I want to sell them.

01:45:43.000 You're thinking he's just making this all up?

01:45:45.000 Oh, absolutely!

01:45:46.000 Come on! 0.61

01:45:47.000 The interview with Mir, M-I-R. 0.96

01:45:50.000 Man, all this new stuff, yeah, it's all a complete joke.

01:45:53.000 I mean, come on.

01:45:54.000 They're going to let off a nuke in Washington and New York as soon as we bomb Iran. 1.00

01:45:59.000 Yeah, so why is Bush rushing to bomb Iran?

01:46:04.000 Because he wants a nuke to go off so that he can start his whole Martial law. 0.94

01:46:09.000 But my question to you is, do you think that Bin Laden is real and that he's really going to detonate a nuke?

01:46:15.000 No, Bin Laden is an asset of the CIA, Tim Osman, and it's obvious that they're just using them against us so that they can cause all of this chaos.

01:46:23.000 That's it, my friend.

01:46:24.000 I appreciate your call.

01:46:27.000 Number one, the fat Bin Laden tape that's been out for three and a half years is an admitted fake.

01:46:35.000 Does it matter?

01:46:36.000 The news still uses him.

01:46:39.000 They have claimed that they've killed different Al-Qaeda operatives, in some cases over ten times.

01:46:44.000 They will announce they've killed the same person over and over and over again, and never even retract the previous story.

01:46:50.000 They do that on purpose.

01:46:52.000 They're setting a precedent to just enter a... it's a comic book world.

01:46:57.000 None of it has any connection to reality.

01:47:00.000 Then there's all these old videos of Bin Laden outside the same cave, there in that little valley, there in that little valley, in that little cliffside, And over and over again after that, a new Bin Laden tape, Fox Breaking News, released by Al Jazeera, Al-C-I-A-Z-E-E-R-A.

01:47:18.000 And it's always the same thing.

01:47:20.000 And then a week later they go, oh, that was actually re-edited old tapes of hundreds of hours pre-9-11.

01:47:27.000 You can always watch it.

01:47:28.000 It's the same clip, the same Bin Laden video, the same thing, the same person. 0.90

01:47:33.000 So when it's a real Bin Laden tape, it's pre-9-11.

01:47:37.000 Or the one or two that happen in the month after.

01:47:40.000 Or it's a fat Bin Laden, which they did voice print on, isn't Bin Laden.

01:47:43.000 I mean, you could look at it and tell it wasn't him.

01:47:47.000 How many times did they kill Chemical Ali?

01:47:49.000 Three times.

01:47:50.000 How many times did they kill the Saddam boys?

01:47:53.000 I mean, they just... They must think we are completely and totally stupid. 1.00

01:48:01.000 And just because Bush says a nuke will go off, and just because they say we're going to be hit by terrorists, and just because Karl Rove says there will be an October surprise, That doesn't mean it's going to happen. 1.00

01:48:13.000 They say that every election.

01:48:14.000 They said that in 2004.

01:48:17.000 And they said it in 2000 and... I mean, they're saying it right now.

01:48:22.000 They say it every two years at every congressional election.

01:48:27.000 What makes me think they may be really ready to do it is they're massing troops near Iran.

01:48:33.000 They're building up troops in Iraq.

01:48:34.000 They've got the aircraft carriers over there. 0.84

01:48:37.000 They're telling the minesweepers get in position.

01:48:39.000 They're telling the public they're getting ready to hit Iran. 0.84

01:48:42.000 Israel's openly saying they're getting ready to hit Iran.

01:48:44.000 The media's telling us terrorists are about to hit us any minute.

01:48:47.000 The whole neocon agenda's in trouble.

01:48:49.000 And so, yeah, you put all that together and these killers have hit us before with Oklahoma City and the first World Trade Center attack and 9-11 and the rest of it.

01:48:59.000 So, yes, they are very capable and right now is the prime time danger For this to happen.

01:49:10.000 And so I have said that I believe, barring a huge public hue and cry, exposing government-sponsored terror, that we're going to see big events by late October.

01:49:20.000 And I stand by that.

01:49:22.000 Though there has been a big hue and cry and big demonstrations in D.C.

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01:52:48.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:53:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:53:08.000 Hey, this isn't hype.

01:53:09.000 I'm serious when I say it.

01:53:11.000 Documentary films, high-quality, high-powered documentary films, are the way to go to wake people up about government-sponsored terror.

01:53:19.000 And that isn't just one issue.

01:53:20.000 That's a foundation.

01:53:22.000 They are building everything they're doing, the police state, the destruction of our sovereignty, everything these crooks do, they then say, it's for your safety, for the terrorists, when they are the terrorists.

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01:54:09.000 or again, 888-253-3139.

01:54:14.000 You can also write to me.

01:54:15.000 I'm Alex Jones at 3001 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

01:54:23.000 Let's go ahead and talk to James in Maryland and Rico, Mark, and others.

01:54:28.000 James, welcome.

01:54:29.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:54:30.000 I'd like to read some scripture in light of Congressman Rangel's statements.

01:54:36.000 This is when Israel had rejected Yahweh as ruling over them and asked for a king.

01:54:44.000 And Yahweh granted their request and spoke to Samuel the prophet and said, Now listen to their voice, but you shall certainly warn them and shall make known to them the ruling of the sovereign who does reign over them.

01:54:59.000 This is the ruling of the sovereign who does reign over you.

01:55:02.000 He shall take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots to be his horsemen, and they shall run before his chariots and appoint commanders over his thousands and commanders over his fifties, or to plow his ground and reap his harvest.

01:55:15.000 Or to make his weapons and equipment for his chariots.

01:55:19.000 And that's exactly what Rangel is saying.

01:55:23.000 It isn't just a draft.

01:55:24.000 It's national captivity and slavery coming from the loving liberal Rangel who's going to save us.

01:55:32.000 And I had him on here to illustrate that.

01:55:35.000 And there's Republican versions of the bills too.

01:55:37.000 Domestic police state thugs.

01:55:39.000 You heard him.

01:55:40.000 He said we need the kids to go guard the ports.

01:55:43.000 We're talking about a bunch of zit-faced punk video game playing kids in black uniforms with trudgeons literally beating our brains out. 0.89

01:55:51.000 Can you imagine hordes of all the high school graduates just running around in Nazi bucket of pus uniforms? 0.93

01:55:58.000 That's the future of America. 0.96

01:56:00.000 It makes me sick.

01:56:02.000 And I'm sorry to sound mean and vicious, folks.

01:56:04.000 This is what we've come to, a Soviet America, and they're selling it through the phony leftist wrangle. 0.92

01:56:10.000 Well, Congressman Rangel knows full well what he's doing and what he said.

01:56:13.000 He knows he's arguing a false left-right paradigm.

01:56:16.000 He knows that doesn't exist.

01:56:17.000 And Congressman Rangel, draft your own children!

01:56:22.000 Now, I mean, I like to be somewhat friendly just to get Rangel on to illustrate it all.

01:56:22.000 Exactly.

01:56:28.000 And we got Rangel on, but his draft, he goes, oh, this isn't a draft.

01:56:33.000 No, Alex, that's right.

01:56:35.000 It's for everybody.

01:56:36.000 And he goes, yes!

01:56:37.000 Yes! 1.00

01:56:40.000 Liar! 1.00

01:56:41.000 Liar! 0.99

01:56:42.000 We, I tell you what... No, actually, he's not a liar. 0.99

01:56:44.000 He came right out with it.

01:56:45.000 Well, he's lying, saying that there's no loopholes for the rich and arguing the false left-right paradigm.

01:56:51.000 All I can say, I'll say this in ending, Alex.

01:56:54.000 We better repent.

01:56:55.000 This country better repent.

01:56:56.000 You're in trouble, America.

01:56:58.000 I'm telling you, you're in trouble.

01:57:00.000 Look at the sand on this earth.

01:57:02.000 There's more stars in the universe than there is sand on this earth, and Yahweh spoke them into existence.

01:57:07.000 He's coming back soon.

01:57:08.000 You'd better repent.

01:57:10.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:57:12.000 Yeah, we should repent, but the phony churches say worship world government.

01:57:16.000 The leader will soon be here.

01:57:18.000 Our world leader will soon appear.

01:57:20.000 He will be Jesus.

01:57:22.000 We must worship him.

01:57:24.000 He will rule us from Israel. 1.00

01:57:26.000 You must support Israel and the one leader who will soon rise.

01:57:30.000 Kneel before him!

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01:57:40.000 Big Brother.

01:57:51.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:53.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:54.000 You want answers?

01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:57.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:08.000 Already into the third and final hour, we roll open the phones up in the shower.

01:58:12.000 We have two amazing guests together, and we really won't have time to do justice to this in the 45 minutes of air time we have each hour, but we'll try.

01:58:20.000 They were both with the Force Research Unit, covert military intelligence unit established by the United Kingdom Ministry of Defense under the British Army Special Intelligence Wing, or SIW.

01:58:33.000 Along with the Joint Service Schools of Intelligence, originally based in Ashford and Kent, and later moved to Chickson's at Bedfordshire.

01:58:43.000 And we've covered it.

01:58:47.000 Sometimes you'd have both guys, high level in a whole branch of the IRA, really being British Intelligence, and the two people not even knowing it.

01:58:56.000 and uh... just this goes into false flag tear it's so important and both of our guests are going to use pseudonyms though we do know both their names and it's uh... kevin fulton and of course uh... there's also uh... martin ingram and there have been literally hundreds of mainstream news articles written about both men in the u.s.

01:59:17.000 and in england and we're honored to have martin ingram and kevin fulton on with us today gentlemen thank you Just so people learn to recognize each separate voice, can Martin Ingram say hi first?

01:59:32.000 Hi Alex, good evening.

01:59:34.000 Thank you for coming on the show with us.

01:59:37.000 You're welcome.

01:59:38.000 Okay, that's Martin, and then Kevin, say hi.

01:59:42.000 Hi Alex, thank you very much for having me on the show.

01:59:45.000 Yeah, I appreciate you both coming on.

01:59:46.000 Now, were both of you what we call infiltrators?

01:59:52.000 First off, Martin, tell us what you did.

01:59:54.000 Well, I controlled the agents within the IRA.

01:59:58.000 I directed people like Kevin to penetrate and infiltrate the IRA and commit crimes for and on behalf of the state.

02:00:08.000 Commit crimes for and on behalf of the state.

02:00:11.000 And, Kevin, what did you do?

02:00:14.000 Well, Alex, I was a member, a serving member of the British Army and I was recruited by the Force Research Unit to actually become a terrorist on behalf of Her Majesty's Government.

02:00:25.000 Unbelievable.

02:00:26.000 Well, you've definitely both boiled it down.

02:00:28.000 Why are you now going public, gentlemen?

02:00:29.000 Why are you speaking out?

02:00:33.000 Well, from my perspective, I've been doing this since 1999.

02:00:39.000 Basically, in a democracy, the state should not be targeting its own people.

02:00:46.000 And I fundamentally feel that that is wrong, and that we should learn from the mistakes of the past, the last 30 years.

02:00:53.000 And I wouldn't like my children to suffer what many children in Northern Ireland suffered and in other theatres.

02:01:00.000 So, that would be my motivation.

02:01:04.000 Now, you're quite famous.

02:01:05.000 You were known as Steak Knife.

02:01:08.000 Well, I wrote the book Steak Knife.

02:01:10.000 I exposed the agent who was a mass murderer.

02:01:14.000 Exactly.

02:01:15.000 You've been known for exposing Steak Knife, is what I should say.

02:01:18.000 Yes, yes.

02:01:18.000 I expose the infamous killer who killed many tens of people and who is still to this day protected by the British state.

02:01:30.000 Unbelievable!

02:01:31.000 You know, we have a lot of layman people who haven't researched this and I've read quite a few articles and books on the subject and still I'm complete Bufoon when it comes to the knowledge both of you men have respectively and together.

02:01:42.000 So when we get back after this break in one minute, we've got plenty of time in that segment.

02:01:46.000 I'd like both of you just to roll out with the crimes that were committed by Her Majesty's Service, under those orders, why they claim they were doing it, but what you think the real aim of state-sponsored terrorism is and why these false flag and i.e. provocateur events do take place.

02:02:08.000 Who wants to take it first when we get back?

02:02:10.000 Perhaps Martin should go first, or Martin, do you think Kevin should go first?

02:02:14.000 Perhaps I'll take it first.

02:02:17.000 I'll take it from the institution point of view and then let Kevin take it from the man who actually operated on the ground.

02:02:24.000 Well, we appreciate both of you men joining us and your courage.

02:02:27.000 It takes a lot of courage to have been involved in things unsavory and then later go public and expose them.

02:02:33.000 And obviously a lot of courage because both of you men are in physical danger and that is an understatement.

02:02:39.000 We'll be right back.

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02:05:51.000 Oh, my God.

02:05:53.000 Joining us from undisclosed locations in the United Kingdom are two individuals that have become quite famous.

02:06:00.000 Martin Ingram is a pseudonym used by one of the chief controlling officers who refused to go along with amazing levels of corruption and went public About British intelligence being involved in murders, crime, terrorism... You name it!

02:06:17.000 And at the same time, we're also joined by Kevin Fulton.

02:06:21.000 That's a pseudonym as well.

02:06:22.000 Again, this is all over the mainstream British press.

02:06:24.000 This is vetted, this is admitted.

02:06:27.000 But they're going a little bit further here today than they've gone in the past, and we're honored to have both of these gentlemen on.

02:06:32.000 So we've got the field operative level, and then we've got the commander level with Martin Ingram.

02:06:38.000 Martin, you take it first.

02:06:39.000 If you can, boil it down, condense it to what you did.

02:06:44.000 In intelligence, what you witnessed, what they told you you would be doing, and what really ended up happening, and some of the crimes that were committed that you can talk about.

02:06:52.000 Okay, well effectively what Northern Ireland was, was two sides, two communities, the Protestant and the Roman Catholic, to make it very simplistic.

02:07:01.000 What the British government did, through its various agencies, but primarily by the army and the police, was to control both factions, In its entirety.

02:07:12.000 The leadership of the Republican community was infiltrated and the Protestants or the Loyalist community was infiltrated.

02:07:20.000 Now you just said the key thing there.

02:07:22.000 Control the leadership of both entirely and literally steer and control the ongoing crises.

02:07:29.000 Go ahead.

02:07:30.000 Well that is fundamental to you achieving your objective.

02:07:34.000 And effectively what they did for 30 years was to have them fight each other And make it look to the world that the British government was the honest arbitrator and the honest party who was basically being caught up in the middle and trying to do its best.

02:07:52.000 And from what I've taken away from what other agents in the record shows and the inquiry show is in truth they were there actually trying to stir it up as a pretext to continue control over the region, is that accurate?

02:08:04.000 Yeah, they didn't stir it, they generated it.

02:08:08.000 Without the British Government's involvement and action by its various agencies, there wouldn't have been the prolonged conflict.

02:08:17.000 So it's worse than what I said.

02:08:19.000 I mean, to repeat what you just said, they didn't stir it, they generated it.

02:08:24.000 Absolutely.

02:08:25.000 They directed it.

02:08:31.000 If your imagination couldn't run to the levels of ingenuity which was taken to To run these sort of people.

02:08:38.000 To give you an example, the man known as State Knife, Mr Alfredo Scappaticci, was run for over 30 years in the capacity of the head of the Internal Security Unit.

02:08:48.000 And that is, he killed people fallen on behalf of the state.

02:08:52.000 Now many of the people that he killed were people who were genuinely Republicans or people who were committed to the fight, but weren't following the doctrine which was being set by Her Majesty's Government.

02:09:07.000 In other words, if it didn't fit in Her Majesty's government strategy, then you were disposed of.

02:09:13.000 Didn't, didn't, uh, individual, and, and, and, Berlusconi has just joined us.

02:09:17.000 Describe your role, sir, inside of this whole operation.

02:09:22.000 Well, Peter, myself, uh, we would, we control agents like Freddy Scappaticci and others who, um, were, they were tasked to commit crimes, to gather intelligence, Uh, which would, in theory, allow the commanders to, uh, exploit intelligence in a timely fashion to save life.

02:09:44.000 That's what I joined the service for, which was to save life.

02:09:47.000 Uh, and, uh, what actually happened was that we took life, and it was very arbitrary, uh, in as much as there wasn't, um, uh, it wasn't very fair, let me put it that way.

02:10:00.000 Uh, and it didn't follow what I would expect in a normal democracy.

02:10:06.000 Well, from what I've... I mean, from my research, obviously not being on the inside like both of you gentlemen were, it was just really to keep the crises going and to make sure that it never really became a serious political discussion and to keep the two sides fighting with each other as a pretext to keep British control in Northern Ireland.

02:10:24.000 And that is exactly what's happened today, isn't it?

02:10:26.000 Because, you know, effectively the Republican movement today has been neutered.

02:10:31.000 Well, not been neutered, it's been defeated in its entirety.

02:10:35.000 And from a Loyalist point of view, criminality still goes on, but the Good Friday Agreement unbelievably respects the right of the United Kingdom to administer rule in the North.

02:10:49.000 It also makes sure that the Republic of Ireland renounces its territorial claim to the North of Ireland.

02:10:57.000 Have the Irish and British people started to see through this, sir?

02:11:02.000 I'd say the Northern Irish community prior to 1999 were totally at a loss to explain what had gone on in the past.

02:11:13.000 Since 1999 when people like myself and Kevin Fulton and a few others and a number of very very good journalists like Greg Harkin and Liam Clarke and a few other people who have exposed certain aspects of this story, the public today Absolutely 100% believers and Which is something that I believe that you're trying to convince the American public in respect to 9-11.

02:11:40.000 Oh, exactly.

02:11:41.000 In fact, just out of the gates, we know that our government has Operation Northwoods, an official plan to stage 9-11 style attacks.

02:11:49.000 We know Gulf of Tonkin was staged.

02:11:51.000 Totally declassified that our government staged attacks in 53 against Iran to blame it on their government.

02:11:58.000 So, yes sir, we believe 9-11 is an inside job. 0.62

02:12:01.000 You want to give us your take on that?

02:12:03.000 Well, I have met with David Shiller and I have discussed, so I'll make that clear, and I have watched some of the video footage of the attacks.

02:12:15.000 I would caution, from my perspective, that I don't know enough about it, but what I would say is there are very many questions which would require to be answered in a very explicit and detailed way.

02:12:29.000 So you do smell a rat then?

02:12:32.000 Yeah, there are certain aspects of this that I think they don't deserve, but I would demand answers to them.

02:12:40.000 If I'd lost a loved one in that incident, then I would be absolutely, fundamentally in favour of a, we call it a public inquiry.

02:12:54.000 Sure, we know there's been a cover-up but the first step would be a real investigation.

02:12:57.000 We're talking to one of the commanders from the Force Research Unit, covered military intelligence unit, established running operations in Northern Ireland and of course in areas of England.

02:13:09.000 Gentlemen, how far can you go in saying what your role was?

02:13:13.000 Before we do that, and I also want to give Kevin a chance to pop in here and say some things here in just a moment, but continuing with Martin Ingram, Martin, what did you see in 99 or what was the string of things you witnessed that made you finally go public?

02:13:28.000 Well, in essence, what it is, is that we are being fed a lie.

02:13:37.000 And I dislike the public being lied to, and ultimately the victims deserve to be told the truth.

02:13:45.000 We're in a period now in Northern Ireland where there isn't going to be a conflict, another conflict, as this generation has been defeated. 1.00

02:13:53.000 So it's incumbent upon the government, and there has been three governments principally during this conflict, who shut all their hands up and accept The blame and the responsibility and also people like myself also have to accept responsibility at the coalface because we all have the right to say no.

02:14:20.000 I didn't say no but you know clearly what we did was wrong.

02:14:28.000 99% of our operations I have no problem with and I would defend.

02:14:33.000 Let's get into that one percent.

02:14:35.000 I mean I've got all the articles here in front of me, but it's better to hear it directly from the people who witnessed it.

02:14:41.000 What type of criminal activities are we talking about?

02:14:44.000 Mass murder.

02:14:47.000 Would you like to give us an example of one of the famous cases?

02:14:50.000 Or, hey, if Kevin would like to pop in and give us an example of anything he witnessed?

02:14:54.000 Well, let me give you an example of, say, the human bomb, the strategy of of using a human being as a proxy bomb.

02:15:03.000 I suppose, very similar to a suicide bomb in it, but where you strap or you contain an individual.

02:15:11.000 Kevin is ideally placed to give you an insight into that because he was involved in that type of an operation.

02:15:20.000 Yes sir, please tell us, Kevin Fulton, give us just kind of a bird's eye view of what Martin's talking about.

02:15:29.000 Well, since I released the book actually just there in June, and since June, the police have now started a criminal investigation into my activities.

02:15:39.000 So a lot of the stuff I can't go into in exact detail, but what I can say is, IRA operations, there were a number of agents involved in operations, and these people were agents for the British state in the human bomb attacks, which killed soldiers, innocent civilians, also landmine attacks, I mean, listen, the best way to put it to your listeners is, I was a soldier recruited to go into the IRA.

02:16:05.000 Basically, in my capacity as a British agent, I became a terrorist.

02:16:10.000 Now, you can't pretend to be a terrorist.

02:16:13.000 You know, I had to be able to do the same thing as the man next to me was doing.

02:16:18.000 I'm not going to go into specifics, but I mean, just listen to what I'm saying.

02:16:21.000 You know, that's exactly what it is.

02:16:24.000 I mean, I was on operations and they were basically frustrated.

02:16:29.000 No target turned up.

02:16:31.000 Sometimes operations have got things didn't go to plan.

02:16:36.000 And I think you should be able to read into that again.

02:16:38.000 I mean, this interview that I'm doing now will be used against me by the British authorities.

02:16:44.000 Well, I would imagine they're pretty upset that you're going public right now, aren't they?

02:16:44.000 You know?

02:16:48.000 Well, the thing is, I had no other choice.

02:16:50.000 They tried to have me killed, you know?

02:16:52.000 I work for Internal Security for the IRA as well, along with Mr. Scappaticci.

02:16:56.000 I mean, my own people in the government, someone took the decision to have me murdered.

02:17:01.000 I'd outlived my usefulness, and the best way to look at it now is, I see it now since I'm away from it, to have to tie up loose ends.

02:17:10.000 Now, I had friends, I still have friends in the intelligence community, who took me off.

02:17:15.000 They saved my life.

02:17:17.000 Well, stand right there, we've got a break.

02:17:18.000 When we come back, I want to hear about how your life's in danger.

02:17:24.000 Then I can go over a few of the cases that were admitted and now public, but we're talking about state-sponsored terror, talking about the government staging attacks, blaming it on enemies, we're talking about the government literally leading the IRA, leading the Orange, leading both sides, leading them into conflict as a pretext to keep the military in place in Northern Ireland.

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02:21:47.000 During the break I was looking at MartinIngram.blogspot.com and other websites that have photos and documents up there from Kevin Fulton and Martin Ingram.

02:21:59.000 Pictures of British intelligence officers that posed as the leaders of groups like Sinn Féin.

02:22:06.000 Just amazing stuff.

02:22:07.000 The photos we're looking at, gentlemen, Can you describe some of the images that I've been looking at that we've got linked to up on InfoWars.com?

02:22:16.000 Kevin, and can you relate to us how much danger you guys are in for going public?

02:22:23.000 Well, do you want me to go first, Alex?

02:22:26.000 Yes, sir, please.

02:22:27.000 Right, well, I'm down there on the computer.

02:22:29.000 Some of the photographs up there, there may be some of the dead agents lying at the side of the road.

02:22:35.000 I don't know why you've linked to those.

02:22:36.000 Those were three guys digging in Stars and Burns.

02:22:39.000 These were three British agents.

02:22:41.000 They had warned their handlers that they were compromised, they needed to be pulled out.

02:22:47.000 And someone within the Force Research Unit, Colonel Currer, he took the decision, let them go, let them die.

02:22:54.000 Now, they were abducted by the IRA Internal Security Unit.

02:22:59.000 And, now, I wasn't involved in that operation, but They were basically lifted.

02:23:05.000 Mr. Scappaticci, who was Agent Steakknife, would have been there.

02:23:09.000 He would have been there.

02:23:10.000 Let's be clear.

02:23:11.000 We have people who are British Intelligence heading up IRA Internal Security.

02:23:16.000 That's a key point.

02:23:17.000 I mean, we're talking about leadership on both sides.

02:23:20.000 The groups not just being infiltrated, but being led by British Intel.

02:23:25.000 Break that down for us.

02:23:27.000 Well, the thing is, I was involved in the Internal Security Unit.

02:23:30.000 I was a driver.

02:23:32.000 I mean, everything I learnt went back to my handlers.

02:23:35.000 Now, I didn't know that Agent Steakknife, who was there present as well, was also an agent.

02:23:41.000 You know, no-one knows what the man next to him is.

02:23:44.000 I treated everybody as my enemy.

02:23:46.000 So basically, people's lives could have been saved.

02:23:50.000 And weren't.

02:23:52.000 That's exactly just what it is.

02:23:53.000 They picked and chose who they wanted to die.

02:23:56.000 Which was...

02:23:58.000 Sounds terrible.

02:23:59.000 In intelligence circles, it's a logical thing to do when you conduct black operations. 1.00

02:24:03.000 You know, that is the way I was set up in another operation.

02:24:07.000 I didn't even see it coming.

02:24:09.000 Until someone friendly in the service actually warned me not to go back.

02:24:14.000 And that's when I had to go running, and that's when I exposed everything.

02:24:18.000 So the government asked you, recruited you out of the army to go do all of this, and then tried to just cut you loose?

02:24:25.000 Absolutely, yes.

02:24:27.000 I mean, my government, we even got to the stage of, I helped develop triggers for bombs.

02:24:32.000 I helped develop bombs for the IRA.

02:24:35.000 I mean, at one time, because the army had jamming devices to stop radio signals, I mean, this is used everywhere, the IRA started to work on a flash unit.

02:24:45.000 Now, I was actually asked to go to New York to buy some of these units in New York.

02:24:51.000 Now, my MI5 military handlers and one special branch officer arranged for safe passage for me to go to New York, which I did.

02:24:59.000 There was FBI and Secret Service people there with my handlers.

02:25:04.000 You know, I met up with another bomb maker who was on the run from the provisional area.

02:25:10.000 He was living in New York illegally.

02:25:12.000 They had lost him, and I basically met up with him for dinner.

02:25:18.000 You know, the FBI people picked him up later on to try to recruit him as an agent.

02:25:22.000 I mean, this is another thing that's...

02:25:26.000 It makes sense to me now.

02:25:27.000 At the time, you know, I was in the middle of things.

02:25:29.000 I wasn't saying fairly.

02:25:31.000 And I was a willing tool of the government.

02:25:35.000 You know, I would target people who were killing people as well, and I would tell my handlers, thinking that these people would be arrested on a job, on an operation.

02:25:43.000 It did happen sometimes, but other times these people were recruited.

02:25:47.000 So instead of locking these people up, they actually recruited real terrorists and made them their agents.

02:25:54.000 You know, it's...

02:25:56.000 Sure, that's the type of people the government wants, and then you're a real live agent, you're just a nobody to them, and they try to cut loose later, and then you've got government out sponsoring terror.

02:26:07.000 How many cases were you aware of, both of you gentlemen, where the government cooked the bomb, or trained the driver, or let the attack go forward for political gain?

02:26:17.000 Well, one that springs to mind straight away to me, I wasn't involved with the bomb that went off in Omaha.

02:26:23.000 But just before that bomb, and a number of occasions before that, I'd met this same guy, man he is, the ombudsman called him, and he was making bombs, so I would tell my handler, and sure enough within two or three days a bomb would go off locally.

02:26:36.000 Three days before the bomb went off in Omagh, I met this guy again, just about ten past twelve after midnight, and he was mixing the bomb.

02:26:45.000 I mean, this guy is an agent as well.

02:26:47.000 He was my He was my boss in the IRA.

02:26:52.000 So your boss in the IRA is a government agent too and he's making the bomb that they go and then of course the Omaha bomb killed a bunch of people.

02:26:52.000 He taught me everything.

02:26:59.000 The Omaha bomb killed 30 people, yeah.

02:27:02.000 Say that number again for folks that missed it.

02:27:05.000 Pardon?

02:27:07.000 30 people.

02:27:07.000 Yeah, 30 people.

02:27:09.000 Yeah.

02:27:10.000 Hey, but don't worry, you get to put up some more cameras, take some more freedoms, put some more troops on the streets.

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02:27:17.000 Okay, this was a short segment, gentlemen.

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02:30:54.000 When Martin Ingram, and now Kevin Fulton and many others, started going public in the late 1990s, you notice that IRA bombings just suddenly went away.

02:31:07.000 You notice that the pretext for the occupation of Northern Ireland suddenly ended.

02:31:14.000 This is why disclosure is so important.

02:31:18.000 Because when you've got both sides led and controlled, and in the cases of where low-level IRA who weren't government agents, who really were terrorists, you know, getting kneecapped, getting beat up, getting killed because they refuse to go out and kill people! 0.71

02:31:32.000 Imagine British agents, get out there and kill! 0.99

02:31:35.000 Kill! 1.00

02:31:36.000 And they think it's their IRA commanders. 1.00

02:31:40.000 It's just so sick.

02:31:43.000 And it's the same thing we've seen in this country, Israel, everywhere. 0.93

02:31:47.000 It's horrible!

02:31:49.000 And it's order out of chaos, that's what we're talking about here.

02:31:52.000 Going back to Kevin Fulton, and of course Martin Ingram, just so people know who Martin is, Martin Ingram is the pseudonym for the ex-British Army soldier who served in the Intelligence Corps and Force Research Unit.

02:32:05.000 And he has really exposed the British Army, its operations in Northern Ireland via the Force Research Unit and against Features in the Provisional Irish Republican Army or PIRA.

02:32:19.000 And we're going to just leave it right there.

02:32:21.000 I've got the encyclopedia here and it's got more on his name and information but we're not going to give you his name here on air today.

02:32:27.000 We do have links to both these gentlemen's websites, their blogs, where you can learn more about what they're saying and doing.

02:32:33.000 They have really stopped a lot of further killing.

02:32:36.000 Gentlemen, and either one of you can take this first, Is my outside analysis and view of this correct?

02:32:44.000 That as soon as the fact that British intelligence was running the operations came out, that we saw an almost end or a major drop-off down to almost nothing of terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and England, supposedly from the IRA?

02:33:04.000 Can I say that one first, Kevin?

02:33:06.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:33:06.000 Sure.

02:33:09.000 Yes, a little bit too simplistic, Alex, and I'll explain why.

02:33:15.000 Prior to 99, the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 98.

02:33:19.000 Effectively, the war in the North was actually finished by the very early 90s, the 92 to 96 period.

02:33:28.000 We saw the odd mainland bombing at Docklands in London and Canary Wharf.

02:33:33.000 They were again committed and directed by agents.

02:33:37.000 But what effectively happened... Hold on, hold on!

02:33:40.000 The bombing that you just mentioned at Canary Wharf, carried out by British agents?

02:33:48.000 Yeah, and also the Manchester bombing and the police in Manchester were actually stopped.

02:33:54.000 They actually had forensic evidence against the bombers and very controversially have been Stopped, politically stopped, from mounting a prosecution against the bombers, who again were agents of the state.

02:34:09.000 So, you know, you can argue why that bombing was carried out, but, you know, at the end of the day it was carried out, and the state has now decided that it does not want to prosecute those involved.

02:34:24.000 Primarily.

02:34:25.000 So why did this come out then?

02:34:26.000 The operations were kind of ending and they wanted to tie up loose ends and you guys didn't feel like getting killed?

02:34:33.000 Not so much getting killed, no, it came about because once we've got, for one thing we've got the internet, so the control of information is very difficult because what I would say, and it is very crucial to the overall conflict, Was that the British government had control over the media?

02:34:55.000 And just may I pick up on the point that Kevin raised before the break about OMA and the OMA bombing.

02:35:05.000 Well, the British government decided that it would leak certain information to the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, which has a phenomenal

02:35:16.000 uh... sort of uh... reputations of the government we're not going back to george r wells day absolutely not what what they did effectively they they have a very uh... high-profile program called panorama you have a similar sort of program in the states and it's the number one flight ship and then number one... it's like sixty minutes it's exactly like sixty minutes and they have their number one reporter a guy, a gentleman who I know very well called John Ware now John Ware

02:35:45.000 His integrity is beyond reproach.

02:35:48.000 Basically, he was fed information, and as Kevin outlined, the bomb maker in the Oma bombing, a man, he calls him Man A, I will call him by his real name, Patrick Joseph Meech Blair.

02:36:00.000 And he, basically, his telephone was used within 30 seconds of the bombing going off.

02:36:08.000 The location where it went off, his phone was used within 30 seconds.

02:36:13.000 And they deliberately did not tell the journalists involved in the Panorama Program because they wanted to keep the attention away from the agent who both committed the bomb and also constructed the bomb.

02:36:26.000 Now, the journalist was given this information subsequently and he was mystified as to why he was not fed that information.

02:36:37.000 Now, what it does go to show is that They, the government, want total control over the media.

02:36:43.000 And I would imagine that's the same in the States.

02:36:46.000 But it is becoming more and more difficult to control because the advent of the internet has made it almost impossible.

02:36:53.000 I myself have a blog, you have a blog, Kevin has a means of getting information out.

02:36:59.000 So the old, the old ways of dealing with the situation, frankly, have had to go with the cold war.

02:37:07.000 It's gone.

02:37:08.000 And they're having to design and devise different ways of maintaining that control.

02:37:14.000 Okay, well at the risk of being too simplistic again, and you can correct me and enlighten me here, and I also want to get Kevin Fulton's response to all that's been said here and any other caveats or addendums or points he thinks are salient and central for the people to get a good panoramic view, pun intended.

02:37:32.000 Yes.

02:37:34.000 Looking at this, looking at what Western intelligence does over and over again, you've got pure government-sponsored terror, where the government totally carries out attacks.

02:37:42.000 Then you've got real terrorist attacks that are pretty rare, but they do happen where it is, you know, independent groups.

02:37:49.000 The most common is the provocateur, where the terrorists are led by government agents, handled by government agents, given weapons by government agents, and then they go out and carry out attacks, and the agents are kept safe, and then even their main terrorists are kept safe, and some normally mentally retarded patsy is sent down the river. 0.93

02:38:08.000 The majority of bombings in England in the last 30-40 years, which of the three type attacks are the most common?

02:38:18.000 I mean, just give me your dead reckoning.

02:38:20.000 Which percentage are real terror attacks, what percentage are provocateur, and what percentage are total government?

02:38:28.000 Well, just to give you an overview of that situation, the IRA was armed by the Libyans, And the Protestants were armed by a major shipment from South Africa.

02:38:41.000 Now both shipments, that is the IRA's Libyan one and the Protestants from South Africa, were both controlled and allowed to proceed by agents.

02:38:54.000 They were directly involved.

02:38:57.000 So it's a provocateur action, okay.

02:38:59.000 Now to answer your question about the majority of high-profile attacks on the mainland, A large proportion, I wouldn't like to put a percentage, but certainly well over 60 or 70 percent would have been involved in the use of agents and would certainly have been preventable if you didn't have the long-term interest.

02:38:59.000 Absolutely.

02:39:25.000 By the way, 60, 70 percent, what percentage of those are pure government ops versus provocateur or shepherded?

02:39:33.000 Well, I would always say that they were government ops, because ultimately a lot of... I agree.

02:39:37.000 No, no, certainly I agree.

02:39:38.000 I was trying to separate the two.

02:39:40.000 Absolutely.

02:39:41.000 Well, it's very difficult.

02:39:43.000 I don't think you should separate the two, because ultimately the government... Well, the reason I do is the public gets confused.

02:39:49.000 They go, but there's a real terrorist!

02:39:51.000 Okay, well, there's agents, but they just can't understand it, so I try to... And I'm patronizing.

02:39:57.000 I mean, most of my audience is smarter than I am.

02:39:59.000 I'm trying to... I'm trying to let people see how this happens.

02:40:04.000 Yeah, I accept what you're saying.

02:40:05.000 It's just that, you know, from an insidious point of view, there is very little difference.

02:40:10.000 You could get a cigarette paper between the two.

02:40:12.000 No, no, I agree with you.

02:40:13.000 Listen, I totally agree.

02:40:15.000 And you guys are the experts.

02:40:16.000 You've been quiet, Kevin.

02:40:17.000 You've got the floor.

02:40:18.000 Give us your take on everything.

02:40:19.000 Well, just to explain it there, I mean, there's a lot of operations I went on.

02:40:23.000 And I knew I was an agent.

02:40:25.000 I didn't know the other people with me.

02:40:27.000 And my handlers would know what operation was coming up.

02:40:29.000 I mean, we did save lives.

02:40:31.000 And as I said before, sometimes The plans didn't go to plan.

02:40:35.000 Now, I've learned since coming away from those things, a lot of the other people who were planning these jobs have also now turned out to be agents as well.

02:40:44.000 So, I mean, there's a very fine line.

02:40:46.000 I think most operations were basically a duty.

02:40:51.000 Our non-provocateurs were there.

02:40:53.000 We were allowed to go ahead with things.

02:40:53.000 They were helping out.

02:40:56.000 You know, people lost lives.

02:40:59.000 A lot of people were saved.

02:41:00.000 And I don't think you can distinguish, when you're saying government ops are proper terrorists, there's always proper terrorists.

02:41:07.000 But always watch the man next beside him, there's always an agent in somewhere.

02:41:11.000 So there is government control.

02:41:13.000 I've seen operations basically frustrated, the IRA didn't know what was hitting them.

02:41:18.000 And I've seen operations that did go ahead, and I mean I would not have known in advance, so I couldn't tell my handlers, but I would tell them afterwards.

02:41:26.000 And things were covered up.

02:41:27.000 I mean, there was collusion in every aspect.

02:41:31.000 Well, bottom line, the state stood to gain from having terror as a pretext to scare the population in their submission.

02:41:39.000 Kevin, at what point did you decide to go public?

02:41:43.000 I mean, did it happen gradually, or did you just wake up one morning and say, that's it, I'm going public?

02:41:47.000 No, I'll tell you actually, listen, I have to say, I have to accept my responsibility.

02:41:52.000 I was a willing tool of the state as a soldier.

02:41:55.000 I was in a compartment, I thought I was doing right, fighting terrorists.

02:41:59.000 And when they tried to actually hit... My own bosses in the intelligence services tried to have me killed by Agent Steakknife.

02:42:06.000 They set up a complete operation and everybody was caught.

02:42:09.000 The IRA men were caught.

02:42:10.000 But you were a good agent!

02:42:11.000 I mean, you were going along to get along.

02:42:13.000 Why did they try to have Steakknife kill you?

02:42:17.000 Well, the best way to put it, Alex, is I know too much.

02:42:21.000 That's exactly what it is.

02:42:22.000 I am a loose end.

02:42:23.000 And I have gone... Well, that shows... So basically, you've gone public because for no reason they tried to kill you.

02:42:29.000 And see, folks, that shows how criminal this system is, is they'll just try to kill and kill their own agents.

02:42:36.000 How many people have been killed?

02:42:37.000 I've been researching this.

02:42:38.000 I'm seeing all these photos of dead, tortured bodies of agents.

02:42:41.000 How many people do you know of that your government's killed who were agents?

02:42:46.000 Michael, you take that one.

02:42:47.000 You would be more into the amount of agents that were killed.

02:42:51.000 Well, many, many I can think of.

02:42:55.000 Well, one of the most famous ones was one of my agents, a man called Frank Hegarty.

02:43:01.000 Frank Hegarty was responsible for bringing in a very large shipment of Libyan arms.

02:43:07.000 And ultimately, it was the largest ever find of arms on the island of Ireland.

02:43:13.000 And he was killed by an agent Uh, by Steak Knife and by Martin McGuinness, uh, and who were working together.

02:43:21.000 And, effectively, um, there are many, many other agents, uh, Ruby Davidson, you know, there are loads and loads of agents who've been killed by other agents.

02:43:31.000 Uh, another one, um, who, Martin McGartland, who was taken to be killed, and he threw himself out of a third floor, uh, set of flats very high up, and, uh, Basically, saved his life by running through a glass pane of window.

02:43:48.000 There are many, many incidents of it.

02:43:50.000 But just to come back... Yeah, so they were grabbing on him going, come with us!

02:43:53.000 And he went, no!

02:43:54.000 Boom! 0.99

02:43:54.000 Out the window! 0.99

02:43:55.000 Yeah, they had him for a number of hours.

02:43:58.000 They were waiting for the killers to come and basically kill him.

02:44:04.000 And he thought better of it, and he was tied up just like a turkey.

02:44:08.000 And being very brave and very stubborn, he decided that he wasn't going to die.

02:44:12.000 So he threw himself at it.

02:44:13.000 Or at least don't die the way they want to.

02:44:15.000 Go hobble over to the window and jump out, yeah.

02:44:18.000 Absolutely.

02:44:18.000 He took a running jump at it.

02:44:20.000 But just to give your viewers an insight into the level of infiltration, one of the most high-profile killings in the North, and I'm certain you've heard of it, Is the murder of Mr. Patrick Finucane?

02:44:31.000 Sure, yeah.

02:44:32.000 The lawyer, the... Basically, out of the nine people that committed that murder, seven are agents of the state.

02:44:43.000 And why did the government want him dead?

02:44:46.000 Well, it's not so much the government... I know, the criminal elements within the state.

02:44:50.000 Yeah, criminal elements within the state because he upset a lot of people within the police and other agencies by defending the rights of IRA men. 0.94

02:45:01.000 Basically, he was doing his job, but that, you know, effectively was a problem to the state and the state.

02:45:08.000 Well, I think right here is the problem with having soldiers involved in domestic activities.

02:45:13.000 Soldiers are trained to go kill people.

02:45:15.000 They're not trained to be police. 0.58

02:45:17.000 You start putting soldiers into domestic operations, they're going to start killing people.

02:45:21.000 Yeah, but in that state, in that instance, that was police, not military.

02:45:25.000 Lily, so it was the police.

02:45:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:45:28.000 That was the police, you see.

02:45:29.000 Well, then it never ends.

02:45:30.000 It just, I mean, what do you think about the setup of domestic militarized police here in the U.S., and secret police, and secret arrest, and secret torture, and the President openly talking about it?

02:45:44.000 Well, it certainly, you have moved away from Some of your fundamental principles, which your democracy is built on, and you do have a Bill of Rights, where we don't have a Bill of Rights in the United Kingdom, and effectively, you know, your rights are enshrined in law.

02:46:03.000 Kevin, what do you think of what's happening in this country?

02:46:07.000 Well, I mean, to one aspect, yes, I believe in law and order, but I mean, who watches law and order?

02:46:14.000 My boss in MI5 used to have a saying, they used to have great sayings, and I always remember, and he used to say, Governments can come and go, but we are always here.

02:46:22.000 And I always remember that, but I mean, there are a lot of good policemen, a lot of good everybody, but there is other people who make decisions who, you know, you don't see.

02:46:30.000 You know, I found that out the hard way, but thankfully I'm still here at the moment.

02:46:35.000 But I mean, I couldn't see the wood for the trees.

02:46:38.000 So you were in the middle of it going along until they just decided to kill you to get rid of you? 0.79

02:46:43.000 Absolutely, yeah.

02:46:44.000 And now, what they're doing now is, since I released, the book came out, Unsung Hero, I didn't choose the title, by the way, I mean, I don't class myself as a hero, but they have now started a criminal investigation into my activities.

02:46:57.000 I mean, we've seen in the newspapers where the United States government and the British government accused Iran of supplying this infrared technology to the, who are these?

02:47:10.000 Yes, the Iranians.

02:47:12.000 Well, the thing is, Greg Harkin spoke to himself as a journalist to expose this stuff, and he exposed it in the British newspapers that the IRA basically developed it.

02:47:21.000 The British government and the Americans helped an agent of the state, which was me, to purchase the stuff and bring it back, and the IRA shored it out.

02:47:29.000 Now, the British government then had to withdraw that comment.

02:47:32.000 That's right, and so a lot of the bombs overseas in the Middle East, they're not being triggered by cell phones, it's triggered by infrared, correct?

02:47:40.000 A lasing?

02:47:41.000 Infrared beams, yeah.

02:47:42.000 Infrared light.

02:47:43.000 Flashes and infrared beams.

02:47:45.000 They do a number of things.

02:47:46.000 Telephones, you see, they can put out lots of signals.

02:47:49.000 That's where the IRA developed it.

02:47:51.000 But you can't block line-of-sight lasing?

02:47:55.000 No, you can't.

02:47:55.000 They're trying to get away around it, and they cannot find the way around it.

02:47:59.000 Light is a frequency of light.

02:48:01.000 You know, some of the stuff that I got in New York, it was coded infrared.

02:48:06.000 You punched in a code in your transmitter and the receiver, the code didn't match, it wouldn't work.

02:48:12.000 Now these were innocent things for photography.

02:48:15.000 But they were re-engineered to set off bombs.

02:48:18.000 Yeah, so you're saying right now, that didn't come in from Iran?

02:48:22.000 No, that came from IRA British Intelligence.

02:48:26.000 Yeah, of course, of course the bombs are British Intelligence in Iraq, or at least that's where it came from.

02:48:31.000 I mean, look at British SAS got caught dressed up like Arabs with beards, running around with bombs, shooting people. 0.98

02:48:36.000 In fact, let me ask you guys about that, what happened in Basra late last year when we get back in the final segment, and then tell us about the book, too.

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02:52:38.000 This broadcast is almost over.

02:52:39.000 I know we had a lot of callers who were holding, but that was on other issues.

02:52:42.000 We can't go to your calls.

02:52:44.000 And I appreciate the courage of both these men to go public here on the broadcast to great danger to themselves, but you've heard them to be more dangerous to not go public.

02:52:54.000 It's Amazon.co.uk.

02:52:55.000 It's on Song Hill by Kevin Fulton.

02:52:56.000 We have links to websites and news sources that have photos and documents and information.

02:53:01.000 Kevin, tell us a little bit more about that book.

02:53:04.000 Can we get that from what?

02:53:06.000 Amazon.co.uk or is that available to here in the US?

02:53:10.000 It's Amazon.co.uk.

02:53:12.000 It's Unsung Hero by Kevin Fulton.

02:53:14.000 I didn't pick the title.

02:53:16.000 I understand.

02:53:17.000 That's the publisher.

02:53:19.000 I know you're not saying you're a hero, but you are going public and that is heroic.

02:53:24.000 Absolutely, folks, you get the book.

02:53:26.000 I hear it's pretty powerful.

02:53:27.000 In closing, gentlemen, any other key points people should be made aware of?

02:53:32.000 Always keep asking questions.

02:53:33.000 Never take anything you're told for granted.

02:53:37.000 That's what I would say.

02:53:38.000 I would concur with that.

02:53:40.000 The most obvious point is not always the one that's in your face.

02:53:44.000 Always look behind the curtain.

02:53:47.000 Start questioning a little bit.

02:53:49.000 Start not being so gullible.

02:53:52.000 Listen, that's my motto, because I am just amazed by the crimes.

02:53:57.000 Take your government, my government, Project Shed.

02:53:59.000 We did that together.

02:54:01.000 They take our own troops and nerve gas, innocent troops to death just to see what nerve gas would do.

02:54:06.000 I mean, how can we trust anything these governments do?

02:54:10.000 Very true.

02:54:11.000 I don't know how so many criminals have gotten into government and basically set up their own little empires, but it's bad.

02:54:20.000 But as Kevin outlined a few minutes ago, it's not so much the governments, because governments can be removed at their own will, but in our system it's the civil service which is there forever and day.

02:54:36.000 I agree with you.

02:54:37.000 Well, the government thinks he's running the country, but effectively the civil service runs the government.

02:54:43.000 Well, I agree with you.

02:54:44.000 You've got the private global corporate interests that come in and pay off and manipulate the civil service.

02:54:49.000 Well, they manipulate the system full stop.

02:54:53.000 And in today's globalization, they're becoming the most powerful component of all.

02:55:03.000 Absolutely.

02:55:03.000 Martin Ingram, we've got links to your blog.

02:55:06.000 Any other things we should go visit?

02:55:09.000 Well, if you go and visit Jim Fain's website, you will basically be visiting another section of the British government.

02:55:20.000 Yeah, that's true, and that's why these people are in control, because they're masters at controlling all sides, and we need to realize that.

02:55:27.000 Well, gentlemen, I hope to get you back up in the future to have a longer talk and take calls.

02:55:32.000 Thank you for spending time with us this evening.

02:55:34.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

02:55:36.000 And be careful, I'll see you... Sorry, go ahead.

02:55:40.000 Just saying good evening to your listeners, and thanks for having us on.

02:55:42.000 Good evening to you.

02:55:43.000 Take care, and Godspeed.

02:55:44.000 We should all pray for you.

02:55:46.000 Well, there you are.

02:55:47.000 Most of the bombings are carried out by the government.

02:55:50.000 And Martin Ingram was one of the commanders.

02:55:53.000 And then we also have it from the low level with Kevin Fulton.

02:55:56.000 Both recruited out of the Army.

02:55:58.000 Both patriotic men.

02:56:00.000 And there they were telling you the government stages most of the terror.

02:56:04.000 Just like they staged 9-11.

02:56:06.000 Just like they'll stage the next event. 1.00

02:56:07.000 Don't worry, they'll have some stupid Arab to drag out and blame for it. 1.00

02:56:12.000 The real target is you and your freedoms and your liberties. 1.00

02:56:14.000 So you better get Terror Storm and make copies.

02:56:17.000 And get it out to everybody.

02:56:19.000 Terror Storm!

02:56:21.000 Available at Infowars.com.

02:56:23.000 God bless you all.

Alex Jones Show - September 21, 2006

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