Alex Jones Show - 20061214_Thu_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 All right.

00:00:28.000 Today is December the 14th, Thursday, 2006.

00:00:31.000 And no, this is not Alex Jones.

00:00:34.000 This is Bob Dacey.

00:00:36.000 Substituting for Alex Jones for the next couple of days, Alex is out doing something else and I don't even know what he's doing.

00:00:43.000 But you're going to have to put up with me for a couple of days.

00:00:46.000 For those of you who don't know who I am, I have been involved in the fight against the New World Order crowd for about nine years now.

00:00:54.000 I host a local television talk show in Austin, Texas called The Simple Truth.

00:01:00.000 We are in our eighth year of operation there.

00:01:05.000 My producers are my good friends Kelly Taylor and Jeff Kantoff.

00:01:10.000 We make a great team together because we're all on the same page.

00:01:15.000 I started this trek or this battle back in 1998 when I met Alex Jones.

00:01:23.000 He was the guy that actually woke me up.

00:01:26.000 And quite frankly, I thought the guy was loony. 0.99

00:01:29.000 I thought he was nuts. 0.99

00:01:30.000 I thought he was totally out to lunch. 0.95

00:01:34.000 I'm a conservative Republican type.

00:01:38.000 That's how I was raised.

00:01:41.000 I was one day sitting at home watching TV.

00:01:44.000 I was dead tired.

00:01:45.000 My kids were gone.

00:01:46.000 My wife was gone.

00:01:47.000 I was just channel surfing and up pops this young punk Alex Jones on the local cable TV.

00:01:55.000 He was talking about the United Nations taking over the National Park System.

00:02:01.000 I was like, give me a break. 0.99

00:02:02.000 This guy is totally nuts. 0.76

00:02:06.000 He was rattling and raving about it, and I was just laughing because the guy had a really entertaining delivery style. 0.98

00:02:12.000 You know, really entertaining.

00:02:13.000 So I thought, well, I'll listen to the guy because it was funny, I thought.

00:02:17.000 Well, after he got off that topic, he switched to the topic of the Second Amendment and the true meaning of the right to keep and bear arms.

00:02:26.000 Well, in my hardware store here in Austin, Texas, where I have my real job, I own a True Value hardware store in Austin, Texas.

00:02:35.000 And I, as a small part of that business, I sell guns.

00:02:39.000 So I thought I knew something about the Second Amendment. 0.57

00:02:42.000 So I decided to listen to the crazy man talk about the reason for the Second Amendment.

00:02:48.000 Problem was that Alex completely, totally, accurately, concisely, Explained the entire reason for the Second Amendment.

00:03:00.000 So this put me in a quandary.

00:03:02.000 I was thinking, okay, he's 100% right about the Second Amendment.

00:03:06.000 What's this stuff he's talking about the UN taking over the National Park System?

00:03:10.000 So I made the mistake of looking it up, researching it myself.

00:03:15.000 And what I found was that the man was telling the truth about that too.

00:03:20.000 And it blew me away.

00:03:22.000 Kind of a sea change event in my life.

00:03:26.000 I guess the main confirmation that I had of that event was I was staring at my computer at the website of the Kentucky State Legislature reading a resolution that they had passed in 1997.

00:03:39.000 I think it was Senate Resolution 35 detailing the United Nations Biodiversity Treaty and their Man in Biosphere program.

00:03:48.000 And now they're going along all over the world taking over these pristine areas and administering them.

00:03:55.000 And many of these areas, including many of the national parks, were within their biosphere, so to speak.

00:04:03.000 And the Senate, the State Senate of Kentucky had passed a resolution explaining all this, condemning it, and saying that they would not have foreign minions in control of Kentucky land.

00:04:15.000 So there I was, staring at my computer screen, going, OK, the crazy man I was watching on TV the other night is telling the truth.

00:04:25.000 So, I just had to find out what's going on here, because I thought I read the news, I thought I kept up, and I was angry that I didn't know this.

00:04:35.000 So, uh, when we get back from our first break, I'll get into a little bit more about this, and then we're going to proceed with attacking the United Nations with their own words.

00:04:45.000 This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones.

00:04:48.000 We'll be back every Friday.

00:04:49.000 We'll be back.

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00:08:04.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:07.000 Okay, this is Bob Dacey, once again substituting for Alex Jones.

00:08:17.000 I'm back and before the break I was talking about how I found out that Alex Jones wasn't a kook, despite his mannerisms. 0.86

00:08:26.000 He was talking about this United Nations Biosphere Program.

00:08:32.000 He said they were taking over the National Park System.

00:08:34.000 And sure enough, I looked it up and gee, the whole state Senate of Kentucky agreed with Alex Jones.

00:08:43.000 So again, this put me into some sort of a tizzy because I was a conservative Republican and I thought I kept up.

00:08:49.000 I read the news and how come I didn't know about this?

00:08:53.000 So I had no idea who this guy was.

00:08:55.000 So I started asking questions, looking around.

00:08:59.000 Trying to find him again on the local cable access channel.

00:09:03.000 And then he popped up again and there he was in a videotape standing in front of a United Nations sign in front of one of the national parks.

00:09:14.000 And he was basically, it was as if he was looking at me saying, hey, you think I'm lying?

00:09:21.000 Look, here's the sign.

00:09:23.000 So this got me really, really, really fired up and I found out that A guy that worked for me part-time in my hardware store.

00:09:33.000 I was going to the University of Texas.

00:09:35.000 He was pursuing a degree in radio, television, and film production.

00:09:39.000 He had a part-time job at the radio station where Alex had a Saturday evening show.

00:09:46.000 It was KJFK here in Austin.

00:09:49.000 And I was like, you've got to be kidding.

00:09:51.000 You know who this guy Alex Jones is?

00:09:52.000 And the fellow said, yeah, I know who he is.

00:09:55.000 And I said, well, is this guy for real?

00:09:58.000 He said, well, he thinks he's for real.

00:10:00.000 So I said, well, bring him in.

00:10:02.000 I want to meet him.

00:10:03.000 And lo and behold, KJFK Radio was only a block away from my hardware store out in Northwest Austin.

00:10:10.000 So a few days later, this fella comes in with Alex Jones in tow.

00:10:15.000 We go back into my office and spend about three hours back there assessing each other.

00:10:22.000 And it was quite a meeting.

00:10:24.000 By this time, I'd already started doing my own research.

00:10:28.000 About various things among them was I decided to look in my one of my son's senior level government textbooks He went to Anderson High School and actually so did Alex by the way here in Austin and I decided to see what the The government of the the school system was teaching my son about the Constitution So I looked in the back the book where they talked about the Constitution and they listed the Second Amendment

00:10:58.000 Well, gee, the government textbook that they were teaching my son with at Anderton High School back in 1990, I guess it was 1999, uh, 1998, they were teaching him that the Second Amendment doesn't exist.

00:11:14.000 And they stated it is a fact.

00:11:16.000 They said it was widely misunderstood.

00:11:18.000 That it doesn't, uh, it's not about an individual right to keep and bear arms.

00:11:23.000 So I was shocked that they presented this opinion of theirs as fact and I gave Alex a copy of the page.

00:11:31.000 Well, lo and behold, that evening he was on the radio spreading that all over Austin.

00:11:39.000 So I thought, gee, media power, you know?

00:11:43.000 And that was a long time ago and now here I am sitting in the Central Texas Command Center behind enemy lines doing the Alex Jones Show live to Oh, how many people?

00:11:54.000 I don't know.

00:11:55.000 They say he gets about, what, five million a week?

00:11:57.000 So I guess I'm going to be talking to two million people in the next couple of days.

00:12:01.000 So it's funny how things work out.

00:12:04.000 Okay, I'm talking about the United Nations.

00:12:06.000 That gives me the excuse to do something I love to do, is attack the United Nations.

00:12:11.000 Now, my One of the ways I decided to join this battle against globalism, against totalitarianism, against the New World Order crowd, was to join the John Birch Society.

00:12:26.000 And I am a member of the John Birch Society.

00:12:28.000 And JBS is an excellent source of information.

00:12:32.000 As a matter of fact, where do you think Alex got most of his stuff from in the good old days?

00:12:37.000 John Birch Society was the first organization, actually they were founded in the 50s, in the late 50s, to fight the New World Order.

00:12:45.000 Specifically, to fight it.

00:12:48.000 They claimed it was a conspiracy back then, and of course they caught all kinds of flack for it, and they're still catching flack for it.

00:12:54.000 But I would recommend that you go to their website www.jbs.org and take a look at it because it's been revamped.

00:13:06.000 They have a news section right there at the front, current news, similar to what WhatReallyHappened.com does.

00:13:15.000 And it's quite informative and if you want, you know, the research they do is impeccable.

00:13:19.000 I'm not saying they're perfect because they're not.

00:13:22.000 I'm not saying I agree with everything they do because I don't, but it's a fantastic organization and they are my principal source of information about the United Nations.

00:13:35.000 I'll give you an example of that.

00:13:37.000 There's an article posted there right now by John McManus, the president of the Society, South Korean Poised to Lead United Nations.

00:13:46.000 Alright, so now you've got this Kofi Annan is going to leave here and he's going to have a successor by the name of Ban Ki-moon of South Korea.

00:13:58.000 And the commentary by McManus reads as follows.

00:14:02.000 In October, after being selected as the next Secretary General by the 192-member UN General Assembly, Ban Ki-moon thanked the assembled members of the world body.

00:14:13.000 He said he was honored to be the second Asian to hold the post following U Thant of 1.00

00:14:20.000 In 1970, while serving in the UN top post, Font heaped praise on Soviet dictator and mass murderer Vladimir Lenin, calling him a man of great ideals and claiming that they are in line with the aims of the UN Charter.

00:14:47.000 Lenin's ideals led to the death and misery of tens of millions of communism's victims.

00:14:53.000 Praising thought says a great deal about Ban Ki-moon.

00:14:58.000 In that same speech, Ban lonely referred to Kofi Annan, whom he will succeed on January 1st for having, quote, defined an ambitious agenda, end quote.

00:15:09.000 In 2000, Anon bared his belief that, quote, state sovereignty is being redefined by the forces of globalization and international cooperation, end quote.

00:15:21.000 During his ten years at the UN's helm, Anon made clear that his agenda included attacking national independence.

00:15:29.000 No stranger to the UN, South Korea's Ban served his country's mission for many years.

00:15:34.000 He claims to be committed to reform at the organization, But in praising thought, he displayed his anti-Americanism and his pro-totalitarianism.

00:15:44.000 And in saluting Anon, he demonstrated his mindset toward independent nations.

00:15:49.000 The only course for a sane America is to withdraw from the trap that is the United Nations.

00:15:54.000 So that's kind of a current situation there at JBS.org.

00:15:59.000 But I want to do something.

00:16:01.000 I'm going to bash the United Nations unmercifully in this first hour, and I'm going to do it with their own documents.

00:16:09.000 Something I've done many times here locally in Austin, but now I have an opportunity to do it nationally, internationally, on shortwave, AMs, FMs, pirate radio stations, internet broadcast, re-feeds all over the world.

00:16:25.000 And so I would be remiss if I didn't take advantage of that opportunity.

00:16:30.000 Now you can follow along with me if you want to because I don't make anything up.

00:16:34.000 I'm kind of a stickler for documentation.

00:16:37.000 Part of that comes from the way I am.

00:16:39.000 Part of it comes from the fact that I'm a member of the John Birch Society.

00:16:43.000 They are also sticklers for documentation.

00:16:46.000 The best document in my opinion, the most concise, An easy-to-understand document, in my opinion, if you want to attack the United Nations, is a United Nations-owned document, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

00:16:59.000 This document was written in 1948.

00:17:01.000 It is a founding-era document of the UN, and all you gotta do is go to UN.org, click on the English welcome, go up to the top, there's a little gold bar that says Human Rights.

00:17:17.000 You click onto that, and then you can Look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

00:17:24.000 So let's just do that.

00:17:26.000 I'm looking at this from the UN.org.

00:17:29.000 Now therefore, the General Assembly proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations.

00:17:38.000 Now you understand what that is?

00:17:40.000 This, they say, is a common standard for everybody.

00:17:43.000 In other words, this document that I'm about to go through is what you get.

00:17:50.000 In the United Nations system.

00:17:54.000 Let's talk about Article 2.

00:17:56.000 Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this declaration.

00:18:01.000 In this declaration.

00:18:02.000 Excuse me.

00:18:04.000 Okay.

00:18:04.000 They state in Article 2 that this is what you're entitled to.

00:18:07.000 So when we go through this, you need to realize that this is what you're entitled to.

00:18:11.000 According to the UN.

00:18:12.000 This is it.

00:18:13.000 My friends.

00:18:14.000 This is what you get.

00:18:16.000 So basically you're going to find out that you are entitled to be a slave.

00:18:19.000 Period.

00:18:20.000 I'll run out.

00:18:22.000 Alright, now let's go skip down to Article 4.

00:18:25.000 No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.

00:18:28.000 Slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

00:18:33.000 You know, it sounds so wonderful, you know, but look at the darling of the UN.

00:18:39.000 Communist China.

00:18:41.000 People's Republic of China.

00:18:42.000 I mean, no one shall be held in slavery or servitude?

00:18:47.000 Have you checked the Walmart factories over there?

00:18:50.000 There are some pretty good documentaries out there.

00:18:52.000 They stack them like cordwood over there and they make them work from 7 in the morning to 10 in the evening, 7 days a week.

00:19:01.000 Then they of course charge them rent for the apartment that they give them and basically they're just slaves.

00:19:13.000 The slave trade? 0.90

00:19:15.000 I think prostitution is part of the slave trade. 1.00

00:19:18.000 If you follow wherever the UN goes to promote peace and love all over the world with their UN peace forces, you will find that the business that springs up around them is prostitution.

00:19:33.000 Forced prostitution. 0.86

00:19:36.000 Yeah, so let's talk about Article 4 and the hypocrisy that is the UN.

00:19:43.000 And when we get back once again from the break, we're going to go on to Article 8.

00:19:46.000 This is Bob Dicey for Alex Jones, Alex Jones Show.

00:19:50.000 Be back in a bit.

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00:24:10.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:24:17.000 Alright, welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on GCN.

00:24:20.000 Again, my name is Bob Basie, substituting for Alex Jones.

00:24:24.000 And before the break, we were in the process of bashing the United Nations, and I'm going to continue to do so.

00:24:30.000 Even though I think it's illegal if you, as you'll find out, what I'm doing right now is illegal according to the United Nations, but I don't care.

00:24:38.000 Article 8.

00:24:39.000 Article 8.

00:24:41.000 Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals.

00:24:49.000 Okay, Americans listening out there, you have a right to a competent national tribunal.

00:24:58.000 Well, I could have sworn that Americans have a right to a trial by jury of their peers, not a tribunal, which is about a panel of crooked judges that are politically appointed.

00:25:09.000 So, again, this should cause you alarm.

00:25:12.000 United Nations is the engine for global government.

00:25:16.000 It is the policeman, the tool that the globalists want to use to create this one world government, this one world slave system.

00:25:26.000 And here you have it, a red herring here.

00:25:29.000 You get a tribunal, ladies and gentlemen.

00:25:33.000 Okay, let's go to Article 10.

00:25:36.000 Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

00:25:50.000 Once again, it's a restatement.

00:25:53.000 You get in trouble in the U.N.

00:25:54.000 system, you get a tribunal.

00:25:57.000 You do not get the Bill of Rights.

00:26:00.000 You do not get a trial by jury of your peers.

00:26:05.000 Now, right there, that should be enough.

00:26:08.000 This is a direct assault on the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution and you should know this.

00:26:15.000 And of course, gee, I never learned this in school and neither did you.

00:26:19.000 You ever wonder why?

00:26:21.000 Okay, let's go down to Article 12.

00:26:26.000 No one shall be subjected to, among other things, attacks upon his honor and reputation.

00:26:35.000 Well, no one shall be subjected to attacks upon his honor and reputation.

00:26:40.000 Well, I got a question.

00:26:41.000 What if you don't have any honor and your reputation is terrible?

00:26:46.000 Why are you insulated from being attacked If you're a dishonorable person with a horrible reputation.

00:26:54.000 See, that doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:26:55.000 That's totally ridiculous. 0.98

00:26:57.000 Of course, the reason they stick that in there is because the crooks that run the U.N. 0.98

00:27:00.000 don't want to be criticized. 0.79

00:27:01.000 Because they don't have any honor, and their reputation is horrible.

00:27:05.000 I mean, that is if you believe in, you know, individual liberty rights, limited government, personal responsibility, things like that.

00:27:13.000 But these people don't believe in any of that, so they don't want to hear about it.

00:27:16.000 So, no one shall be subjected to attacks upon their honor and reputation.

00:27:21.000 I've done your right now.

00:27:22.000 Kofi Annan has no honor at all if you believe in freedom.

00:27:27.000 None at all.

00:27:27.000 And I'm saying it openly and publicly for the whole world to hear.

00:27:30.000 It's just the way it is.

00:27:32.000 I mean, Article 12.

00:27:34.000 Come on, give me a break. 0.96

00:27:35.000 You can't criticize people's reputation.

00:27:38.000 That's a human right you have in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948, which is what we're discussing right now.

00:27:46.000 Let's go to Article 13.

00:27:48.000 Everyone has the right to leave any country including his own and return to his country. 1.00

00:27:54.000 Oh really?

00:27:56.000 Ask a lot of the people in Communist China whether they can just walk out and leave and come back.

00:28:01.000 Come on.

00:28:02.000 It's total nonsense. 0.90

00:28:06.000 This whole thing I have described the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as an excrement sandwich covered with chocolate frosting and it's all sugary and sweet and it sounds real good but you bite into it you're gonna find out that's not what you think it is. 0.97

00:28:27.000 You know you listen to these ridiculous platitudes from the UN and you get all teary-eyed about all your glorious human rights but when you examine it You realize it's nothing but sugar-coated slavery. 0.92

00:28:38.000 Okay.

00:28:39.000 I'm going to skip Article 14 for right now because I want to come back to it.

00:28:43.000 Let's go to Article 15.

00:28:45.000 Everyone has the right to a nationality.

00:28:50.000 T. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

00:28:57.000 UN says that you cannot be denied the right to change your nationality.

00:29:01.000 Well, what if nobody wants to make you their nationality?

00:29:05.000 What then?

00:29:05.000 I mean, literally, if you took that literally, you'd have about, um, you know, a billion Chinese people that would just love to switch their nationality to American.

00:29:15.000 And then they'd all move over here and the Earth's axis would shift with a weight change and screw everything up. 0.86

00:29:20.000 I mean, it's a ridiculous right. 0.96

00:29:24.000 It's total nonsense. 0.97

00:29:27.000 And when we get back from the break, we're going to go into this nonsense even further.

00:29:32.000 Because it just goes on and on and on and I've got a few big films to make.

00:29:35.000 This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones.

00:29:38.000 Be back after the break.

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00:33:24.000 Again, we were in the process of bashing the United Nations, and so now I'm going to continue to do so.

00:33:32.000 I was talking about skipping Article 14 because I've got to come back to it.

00:33:36.000 I talked about the nationality.

00:33:39.000 You know, you have the right to change your nationality in the UN system, whatever that means.

00:33:43.000 It doesn't mean anything because they don't believe in nationality.

00:33:46.000 Okay?

00:33:47.000 One world government, everybody will be a citizen of the world and we'll all just be happy and we'll all just be slobbering little slaves.

00:33:56.000 Okay, let's talk about Article 19.

00:33:59.000 Everyone, this is their Freedom of the Press article.

00:34:04.000 Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression.

00:34:07.000 This right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference.

00:34:11.000 Without interference.

00:34:13.000 And to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

00:34:19.000 That sounds great.

00:34:20.000 Absolutely sounds great.

00:34:21.000 But they don't mean any of it. 0.68

00:34:23.000 It's a big, fat, ball-faced lie. 0.92

00:34:25.000 I'll give you an example. 0.94

00:34:28.000 A couple of years ago, remember the SARS epidemic?

00:34:31.000 Where the big disease SARS was gonna come and kill us all?

00:34:33.000 Remember that?

00:34:35.000 Okay, so they had a SARS conference at the UN building and...

00:34:39.000 Well, gee, the United Nations Press Corps was sponsoring this thing.

00:34:43.000 This is press correspondence from the UN.

00:34:47.000 Their own press corps.

00:34:49.000 Got it?

00:34:50.000 Okay, so they're sponsoring the SARS conference so they can come discuss ideas about how to save us from this global scourge, right?

00:34:59.000 Okay, well the UN Press Corps invited someone from Taiwan to show up.

00:35:04.000 You know, some doctor or whatever.

00:35:07.000 You know, because they have concerns.

00:35:08.000 It was an Asian thing, and Taiwan's over there, and... Well, Kofi Annan told the fellow from Taiwan that he, under no circumstances, was going to be allowed on the U.N.

00:35:21.000 property.

00:35:22.000 Well, the U.N.

00:35:23.000 Press Corps just pitched a fit.

00:35:25.000 But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, sir!

00:35:30.000 What about Article 19?

00:35:31.000 This was in a press conference, by the way.

00:35:33.000 Kofi Annan talking to a member of the United Nations Correspondence Association and the correspondent asks his eminence, Mr. Annan, but sir, what about Article 19?

00:35:46.000 Don't you respect the freedom of the press, which is enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

00:35:53.000 And Kofi Annan looked him square in the face and said, Ah, yes, we like Article 19, but you must respect our principles, and one of them is that there is only one China! 0.81

00:36:07.000 You know, so, right there, right there, the United Nations proves Article 19 is a bunch of garbage, because they cancelled it.

00:36:15.000 And I'm going to explain why they were not inconsistent in so doing.

00:36:21.000 Later on.

00:36:22.000 So, Article 19, you're only allowed to have your freedom of expression and opinion if the UN agrees with it, basically.

00:36:31.000 Okay.

00:36:32.000 Let's go to Article 21.

00:36:34.000 Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in this country.

00:36:38.000 You hear that?

00:36:39.000 You have the right to public service in your country.

00:36:42.000 That's right, you have the right to serve the state, rather than the other way around.

00:36:46.000 Just keep that in mind.

00:36:47.000 In the UN system, You have the right to serve the state.

00:36:52.000 Okay.

00:36:53.000 Article 24.

00:36:54.000 This is interesting article.

00:36:56.000 This is a big joke.

00:36:57.000 Everyone has the right, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

00:37:05.000 Everyone has the right to holidays with pay.

00:37:08.000 Huh.

00:37:09.000 We ought to talk to those people in China at the Walmart factory where they're working from 7 in the morning to 10 in the evening, seven days a week.

00:37:16.000 I wonder whether they get holidays with pay.

00:37:18.000 I'll ask them.

00:37:19.000 And of course, if you told, if they were able to tell you, probably the next thing that happened to them is they'd find themselves as a involuntary body part donor in the communist Chinese system of selling body parts of prisoners for profit. 0.62

00:37:33.000 Which has been in all the news, and the Chinese now even admit that they do it. 1.00

00:37:38.000 But their excuse is, well, we only take the body parts of prisoners?

00:37:41.000 Ha! 0.89

00:37:42.000 Come on! 0.61

00:37:42.000 You see how disgusting this whole thing is? 0.61

00:37:46.000 Absolutely vile.

00:37:49.000 Okay, Article 26.

00:37:49.000 Article 26.

00:37:52.000 Everyone has the right to education.

00:37:55.000 Education shall...further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

00:38:03.000 So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:38:05.000 In the UN system, according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, you have a right to be educated with propaganda That promotes the United Nations system.

00:38:15.000 There you go.

00:38:16.000 It's right there.

00:38:17.000 Article 26.

00:38:17.000 Isn't this lovely?

00:38:20.000 Now, Article 28.

00:38:21.000 Nobody ever talks about Article 28.

00:38:23.000 But it actually says that you are entitled to a new world order.

00:38:28.000 It doesn't use those words, but it says it.

00:38:34.000 Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in There you have it.

00:38:46.000 According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, you have a right to the New World Order, ladies and gentlemen.

00:38:52.000 And when you get your New World Order, all the garbage in this document can be fully realized.

00:38:58.000 Don't you feel special now? 0.99

00:39:00.000 You have a right to be a slave.

00:39:04.000 Okay, now we're getting close to the end of this thing.

00:39:06.000 We have Article 29.

00:39:09.000 One of my favorite articles, Article 29, Section 1.

00:39:13.000 Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

00:39:20.000 So you once again, Article 29 says you as a human being have a duty to serve the state.

00:39:29.000 You are like a little ant in an ant mound.

00:39:31.000 You have a duty to serve the state.

00:39:34.000 Otherwise you can't fully develop your personality.

00:39:38.000 Okay, Article 29, Section 2.

00:39:41.000 In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law.

00:39:49.000 Dot, dot, dot.

00:39:51.000 So, in the U.N.

00:39:51.000 system, your rights and your freedoms can be limited if somebody decides to pass a law against them.

00:40:00.000 Hmm.

00:40:00.000 Interesting.

00:40:02.000 In our system, in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, our rights are inalienable.

00:40:07.000 Hmm.

00:40:08.000 And you insist on, well, just pass a law against them and they go away.

00:40:11.000 But I'm sure they'll have a good reason.

00:40:13.000 Of course they will.

00:40:15.000 They always do.

00:40:17.000 Okay, Article 29, Section 3.

00:40:18.000 This is one of the big ones.

00:40:19.000 This is at the very end of the document.

00:40:23.000 There's only one article left.

00:40:26.000 And what does this say?

00:40:28.000 Article 29, Section 3.

00:40:31.000 These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

00:40:39.000 Okay there you have it ladies and gentlemen 1948 founding era document of the United Nations they finally state that all these so-called rights that they give you in the first articles of this thing article 1 through 28 all these glorious human rights you have you may in no case that means no case means no case that means forget it these freedoms in no case may be exercised if you disagree with the UN

00:41:10.000 Now, think about that.

00:41:13.000 All of your rights are conditional upon UN approval.

00:41:17.000 That, ladies and gentlemen, is why when Kofi Annan told the UN press correspondent that he couldn't bring a representative from Taiwan to the SARS conference a couple of years ago, Kofi Annan was not inconsistent with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

00:41:35.000 The correspondent Invoked Article 19, this freedom of the press and expression and information.

00:41:45.000 Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the United Nations, trumped it with Article 29, Section 3, when he said, you must understand our principles, and one of our principles is there is only one China.

00:41:58.000 So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:42:00.000 Article 29 section 3 trumped Article 19.

00:42:05.000 It trumps them all.

00:42:07.000 If you disagree with the UN, you have no human rights.

00:42:11.000 Now, I'm not saying this.

00:42:13.000 They're saying it.

00:42:15.000 And they've been saying it since the inception of this demonic organization.

00:42:21.000 All right?

00:42:22.000 Now, let's go to Article 30, the last one.

00:42:25.000 The last one.

00:42:27.000 This is kind of a punctuation here.

00:42:29.000 Kind of an exclamation.

00:42:32.000 Nothing in this declaration may be interpreted as implying for any state, group, or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

00:42:49.000 So here you have in Article 30, the last article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, you have it stated very clearly that you I have no right to do anything to oppose any of this garbage in this document.

00:43:07.000 I mean, think about that.

00:43:08.000 And actually, the reason I wanted to go back to Article 14 last is because Article 14 is an enforcement clause.

00:43:22.000 Let me just read it.

00:43:23.000 First part of it sounds pretty good.

00:43:26.000 Article 14.

00:43:29.000 Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

00:43:35.000 Okay, that's pretty cool.

00:43:37.000 You know, let's say you're living in Cuba in the early 60s and, you know, you were a lower-level member of the government and Castro's overthrown it and he's out to kill you.

00:43:46.000 And so you run over to the United States and say, I want political asylum.

00:43:50.000 And they say, okay, great.

00:43:52.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:43:54.000 Everyone has the right to seek and enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

00:43:59.000 I got no problem with that at all.

00:44:00.000 The problem is Article 14, Section 2.

00:44:06.000 This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

00:44:18.000 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this right may not be invoked from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

00:44:26.000 So once again, What they say in their own language, in their own words, is if the United Nations wants to persecute you, you have nowhere to hide.

00:44:37.000 So it's an enforcement flaw.

00:44:43.000 So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:44:46.000 This is why I decided to launch this attack on the United Nations on the Alex Jones Show here today.

00:44:55.000 It's because They hang themselves with their own words.

00:45:00.000 And if you've never heard any of this stuff, if you're new to this topic, ask yourself why you were never taught this in school.

00:45:11.000 I never was.

00:45:13.000 I never was.

00:45:15.000 I was a little kid in the 60s growing up, you know, and all I ever knew about the United Nations back then was Well gee, every Halloween they would give us a little orange box and tell us to go trick-or-treat for UNICEF.

00:45:30.000 You know, and I did it.

00:45:32.000 Wandering around through my neighborhood like a little...

00:45:35.000 Little dupe wanting coins for UNICEF and I didn't know at the time that that was during the Vietnam War and gee it turned out that my money little Bobby Dacey collected back in the 60s going from house to house saying trick or treat some of it was sent to North Vietnam during the 60s while the North Vietnamese were killing American troops.

00:45:58.000 Gee if I'd only known that at the time.

00:46:02.000 Oh well, such is life.

00:46:05.000 Alright, let me tell you a little bit about what we're going to be doing for the rest of the show.

00:46:09.000 In the next segment, after the break, I'm going to be releasing a new story that I have posted on Infowars.com.

00:46:19.000 It's up there right now.

00:46:20.000 It's called Treason 101, and it is an Infowars exclusive.

00:46:26.000 It's a Simple Truth exclusive.

00:46:28.000 That's the name of my TV show that I host that I put together along with Kelly Taylor and Jeff Kentoff here in Austin.

00:46:35.000 And I am going to let you know what I've come up with in regard to this new breaking story.

00:46:41.000 And it has to do with the North American Union.

00:46:45.000 And I guess you might even call it treason on our shores.

00:46:50.000 As a matter of fact, that's what it is.

00:46:52.000 It's treason on our shores.

00:46:54.000 The article is called Treason 101.

00:46:58.000 Arizona State University promotes the destruction of the United States of America.

00:47:03.000 So when we get back from this break, we're going to talk about that.

00:47:06.000 Then we're going to get into the North American Union some more.

00:47:10.000 This is one of the most important things that you need to understand and that you need to do something about.

00:47:18.000 You know, the United Nations is the big dog, but the bottom line is they're trying to go to global government through a regional government process.

00:47:29.000 That's what the European Union is about.

00:47:32.000 That's what the FTAA, they were trying that.

00:47:35.000 It's about free trade area of the Americas.

00:47:37.000 They were trying to merge the entire Western Hemisphere.

00:47:40.000 into one big happy country.

00:47:42.000 But they ran into all kinds of problems with that.

00:47:46.000 Locally here in the United States, John Birch Society was instrumental in helping to stop that.

00:47:51.000 However, well, when they found out that they couldn't get it all in one big gulp, they decided, well, we're just going to take three countries at a time.

00:48:01.000 And of course, the three countries they picked were United States, Canada and Mexico.

00:48:09.000 And if you're new to this, if you're new to the Alex Jones Show, if you don't know what's going on, you better get up to speed pretty quick on the North American Union.

00:48:19.000 Because this is no theory.

00:48:21.000 This is no conspiracy theory.

00:48:23.000 This is no wild-eyed academic exercise by a bunch of kooky professors.

00:48:28.000 They're doing this right now.

00:48:32.000 And what's disgusting about it, among other things, is that They're completely bypassing the United States Congress.

00:48:40.000 The process of merging the United States, Canada, and Mexico is not allowed in the Constitution.

00:48:47.000 It's just not there.

00:48:48.000 You cannot destroy the country by merging it with two other countries and turning it into some other entity.

00:48:55.000 That's not allowed.

00:48:57.000 If it were to be allowed, it would have to be done through constitutional amendment, a legislative process, Or things like that.

00:49:08.000 But the globalists that run the administration here in the United States have decided, well, we realize that the Congress probably wouldn't want to go along with destroying the United States of America, so we're just going to go around them.

00:49:22.000 We're going to do an in-run around the Constitution, an in-run around that legislative protection that was built into the Constitution, this separation of powers thing.

00:49:35.000 They just decide to do it anyway, you know?

00:49:38.000 And the pathetic thing about it is, they're doing it right now.

00:49:43.000 And in the top of the next hour, we're going to have Jerome Corsi, a seasoned journalist from Human Events Magazine, which is an old, old, old, well-respected conservative magazine.

00:49:55.000 He's scheduled to come on and talk about this stuff with us.

00:49:59.000 So he's going to be on in the next segment.

00:50:02.000 And we're going to kick around this North American community.

00:50:06.000 But before we do that, I am going to go through an article that I have written called Treason 101.

00:50:16.000 And it's kind of interesting because it's just an example of how in-depth this treason has become.

00:50:24.000 It is absolutely obscene.

00:50:28.000 And this is something I discovered through some of my sources and turns out I just kicked a rock and out came another cockroach.

00:50:37.000 So when we get back from this break, we're going to talk about Treason 101.

00:50:41.000 Arizona State University promotes the destruction of the United States of America.

00:50:46.000 Back with you.

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00:54:13.000 This is Bob Basie for Alex Jones.

00:54:16.000 We're back again.

00:54:17.000 Today is December the 14th, 2006.

00:54:22.000 And I'm covering for Alex today and tomorrow.

00:54:26.000 And let's get to this story I was going to tell you about that I wrote.

00:54:29.000 It's posted on Infowars.com right now.

00:54:32.000 I believe it is anyway.

00:54:34.000 It's called Treason 101.

00:54:35.000 Arizona State University promotes the destruction of the United States of America.

00:54:41.000 Now, what is this about?

00:54:42.000 Well, you see, in the document, Building a North American Community, the Council on Foreign Relations document, written by the CFR Task Force, Report of the Independent Task Force on the Future of North America, they state very clearly that part of the way to merge Canada, the United States, and Mexico into one country

00:55:05.000 Is to propagandize the intelligentsia in the country, get the professors behind it, get them to teach their students how wonderful it is.

00:55:13.000 So let me just read from this article I wrote.

00:55:17.000 Treason 101, Arizona State University promotes the destruction of the United States of America.

00:55:25.000 In May of 2005, a Council on Foreign Relations CFR task force released quote, Building a North American community and quote a blueprint for merging the United States, Mexico and Canada into one country called North America.

00:55:40.000 The plan which is being implemented via the security and prosperity partnership agreement signed last year between the leaders of the three countries will destroy the sovereignty of the USA.

00:55:51.000 The United States will cease to exist as an independent nation.

00:55:55.000 The United States Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, will be extinct.

00:56:02.000 Implementation of such a plan is therefore, by definition, an act of treason.

00:56:07.000 No other word fits this crime.

00:56:11.000 Critical to the execution of this high crime is the careful application of propaganda.

00:56:16.000 To that end, the academic community within the United States is being enlisted to sell the idea that destroying America is a good idea.

00:56:25.000 On page 29 of Building a North American Community is a recommendation to, quote, develop a network of centers for North American studies.

00:56:35.000 We recommend that the three governments open a competition and provide grants to universities in each of the three countries to promote courses, education, and research on North America, end quote.

00:56:50.000 Arizona State University is one of the first is one of the first academic Judases to volunteer to sell out American sovereignty.

00:57:00.000 Traders at the Arizona State University have put up a website.

00:57:04.000 That's www.asu.edu slash CLAS slash NACTS slash BNA.

00:57:15.000 Let me repeat that for you if you want to write it down.

00:57:19.000 www.asu.edu slash CLAS slash NACTS slash BNA.

00:57:32.000 Yes, you can go on Alex's site, and I think there's a link there.

00:57:35.000 You can click right to what I'm talking about.

00:57:38.000 This is intended to be an instructional tool to assist and encourage professors to teach the concept of North America to their unwitting student body.

00:57:46.000 The site, appropriately titled, Building North America, was created in cooperation with the North American Center for Transborder Studies at ASU, which must therefore be the actual nest of traitors residing at ASU. 0.70

00:58:02.000 Now if you go to this website, they break it down into several categories, several topics, and they have a About Us-Who Are We page of the website.

00:58:14.000 And it lists the America Society Council of the Americas as a partner.

00:58:19.000 So they make no attempt to hide the fact that David Rockefeller and his co-conspirators at the CFR are behind all this.

00:58:27.000 So when we get back, we'll blast David Rockefeller and this treasonous activity at ASU.

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00:58:59.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:01.000 You want answers?

00:59:02.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:03.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:08.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:12.000 All right, welcome back to the second hour of the Alex Jones Show on the GCN Communications Radio Network.

00:59:25.000 I am Bob Dacey, substituting for Alex Jones today and tomorrow.

00:59:29.000 And if you've been listening the first hour of this show, I've been unmercifully bashing the United Nations and now I'm switching to Arizona State University and covering an article I've posted on InfoWars.com.

00:59:42.000 They're teaching their students to love the concept of destroying the United States of America.

00:59:48.000 It's talking about the America Society and Council of the Americas as a partner on the Arizona State University website where they promote the merger of the three countries into one.

01:00:00.000 They call it economic integration but that's always just one step to the whole enchilada.

01:00:06.000 I want to remind you that David Rockefeller, Chairman Emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, has his hands in all this.

01:00:15.000 And he's proud of it.

01:00:16.000 He thinks it's a great idea.

01:00:17.000 I mean, he really does.

01:00:19.000 He thinks that treason, selling out your country, is actually a good thing.

01:00:22.000 And if you don't believe me, believe him.

01:00:24.000 I just have to quote Mr. Rockefeller in his book, Memoirs, which he published in 2002.

01:00:29.000 You have to check out page 405.

01:00:32.000 It's in a chapter called Proud Internationalists.

01:00:38.000 He says this, quote, Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists, and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure.

01:00:59.000 One world, if you will.

01:01:02.000 If that's a charge, I stand guilty, and I'm proud of it." So you have David Rockefeller and his Council on Foreign Relations behind all this stuff.

01:01:13.000 It's obvious.

01:01:14.000 It's right out there in plain sight on the Arizona University website.

01:01:20.000 And then they talk about all the various sections of how they're going to get this done.

01:01:26.000 They break the website into various components.

01:01:30.000 One of them is organizations and university-based centers.

01:01:34.000 And they list some of the universities.

01:01:35.000 You know, originally when I wrote the story, It's kind of like, again, it's like kicking rocks and you find roaches.

01:01:42.000 And this rock got kicked and this roach popped out and it was Arizona State University.

01:01:48.000 And so I thought, well, this is the first university that's actually teaching this.

01:01:53.000 And then I sent the copy of the story to my producer, Kelly Taylor, and she said, no, Bob, I kicked up another rock and they're not the first.

01:02:02.000 They're just one of them.

01:02:04.000 It turns out that there's another nest of these people that's been at this a long, long time, actually since 1998.

01:02:13.000 Pace University has been involved in this.

01:02:18.000 Their School of Business in New York has been involved in this.

01:02:21.000 Duluth University, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, Duluth University in Nova Scotia.

01:02:28.000 And there's a university called AGC in Montreal, and also there's an EGADE Institute Technological Day Studio Superiorist in Monterey, Mexico, that's been involved in this since about 1990.

01:02:45.000 They're members of the Pan American Partnership for Business Training, and this whole thing is run by yet another cockroach that we've found out about by the name of Stephen Blank.

01:02:58.000 Stephen Blank is a Professor of International Business and Management at Pace University's Lubin School of Business.

01:03:05.000 And listen to this guy's resume.

01:03:09.000 74 to 75, an International Affairs Fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations.

01:03:14.000 So go figure.

01:03:16.000 And it says he's served as a visiting fellow with the Royal Institute of International Affairs of London.

01:03:23.000 And he was a scholar and resident at the Rockefeller Foundation's Villa Cerbaloni in Bellagio, Italy in 1976.

01:03:33.000 My goodness, dude, it never ends.

01:03:37.000 All right, when we get back from the break, we're going to have Jerome Corsi come up, and we'll discuss all this with him.

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01:07:17.000 You're right.

01:07:17.000 This is Bob Dacey, once again, substituting for Alex Jones.

01:07:21.000 And we have a guest on by the name of Jerome Corsi.

01:07:26.000 Mr. Corsi is the author of a book called Atomic Iran, and the co-author of Black Gold Stranglehold, and the New York Times bestseller, Unfit for Command.

01:07:37.000 And he's also written a lot of other books, and he's got a Ph.D.

01:07:41.000 from Harvard University.

01:07:44.000 And Richard Corsi, are you there?

01:07:46.000 Hey Bob, I'm right here.

01:07:47.000 Oh great, welcome to the Alex Jones Show.

01:07:50.000 I'm glad you decided to come on today.

01:07:53.000 We ran into each other several months ago.

01:07:58.000 I don't know if you remember.

01:08:01.000 Oh sure, I remember very well.

01:08:02.000 I sent you a couple of links to some articles, an article I had written back in 2005 about FDAA and the fact that the highway system was part of that deal.

01:08:15.000 Right.

01:08:16.000 I came to find out that, you know, people such as myself and Alex and other people in the, whatever you want to call us, truth movement or patriot community or I prefer to think of myself as a strict constructionist of the Constitution, found out that we've got allies and you're one of them.

01:08:34.000 Thank you.

01:08:35.000 Go ahead.

01:08:36.000 You were one of the main, the first guy, you are the first guy in the mainstream to actually Assault this North American Union and I'm looking at some of these articles that you wrote and have written over the last several months.

01:08:50.000 North American Union to replace USA.

01:08:54.000 President quietly creating NAFTA Plus.

01:08:56.000 How did you get involved in the discovery of this process and disseminating the information?

01:09:03.000 Well Bob, I started writing the book with Jim Gilchrist.

01:09:08.000 Founder of the Minutemen Project, the book we put out together called Minutemen, The Battle to Secure America's Borders.

01:09:16.000 We published it earlier in 2006.

01:09:19.000 As we were doing the research for that book, I couldn't answer over and over again as I went to the border, you know, why President Bush would not secure the border.

01:09:28.000 It was obvious it wasn't being done, and we have a war on terror going on.

01:09:33.000 Well, in the research we did for the book, we were able to prove that Hezbollah terrorists have gotten into the United States by crossing our border with Mexico.

01:09:42.000 We had incontrovertible proof.

01:09:46.000 And that the federal government has prosecuted some of those people.

01:09:48.000 There was a group up in Dearborn, Michigan.

01:09:51.000 They bribed Mexican consular officials in Beirut.

01:09:56.000 They got in through Mexico.

01:09:57.000 They set up shop in Dearborn.

01:09:59.000 And what they did in Dearborn was they started sending money back to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

01:10:05.000 So they're in federal prison.

01:10:06.000 Now, you know, President Bush, if you're gonna conclude that all the policies of the federal government have a reason, and that's the line we chose to pursue, I chose to conclude that President Bush was keeping that border open intentionally, and there had to be an explanation for it.

01:10:23.000 And, you know, expert after expert that we talked to kept pointing to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which had been agreed to or declared, I don't think there's actually been any signed agreement, At Waco, Texas, on March 23rd, 2005, when President Bush and Vincente Fox and Canada's Paul Martin, then the Prime Minister, decided we were in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

01:10:49.000 And as I pursued that, it became clear that, at that time, President Bush agreed to erase the borders.

01:10:55.000 And that's why they were not being closed.

01:10:58.000 An agreement had been made to keep the border with Mexico and the border with Canada wide open.

01:11:03.000 And the only border we were going to protect is the perimeter around the continent.

01:11:07.000 And so, that's how I got into the research.

01:11:09.000 It was the only way I could answer what to me was an apparent contradiction.

01:11:13.000 And that is a war on terror with a border with Mexico and Canada that's wide open.

01:11:19.000 So, you're talking about dissolving the borders?

01:11:23.000 Yeah, I mean, that was my first breakthrough.

01:11:27.000 There had to be a reason as to why the borders were being left wide open.

01:11:32.000 And the reason turned out to be the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

01:11:36.000 And that is a plan to ultimately, I believe, create a North American Union.

01:11:42.000 It's a regional government just like the European Union.

01:11:45.000 Well, apparently, I wonder if you agree with me on this.

01:11:48.000 I'm sure you've read the Council on Foreign Relations paper for the North American community.

01:11:54.000 Absolutely.

01:11:55.000 It seems to be the blueprint for the whole thing.

01:11:58.000 Would you agree?

01:11:59.000 In fact, one of the One of the co-chairs of that panel, Robert Pastors, professor at American University, he's written and explicitly said that Council on Foreign Relations is a blueprint.

01:11:59.000 Well, yes.

01:12:16.000 I interviewed him yesterday by telephone for an article I'm going to publish in WorldNetDaily tomorrow.

01:12:23.000 Pastor pretty much openly acknowledges that Council on Foreign Relations Building a North American community is the blueprint behind the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

01:12:35.000 Well, that pretty much dovetails with what David Rockefeller says about globalism and working against the best interests of the United States.

01:12:43.000 I mean, they just really admit it.

01:12:46.000 It's just out in the open.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, we're doing this.

01:12:48.000 What's the problem?

01:12:50.000 They admit it and they do it in an incremental way.

01:12:52.000 In other words, Robert Pastor maintains that he is Wanting to create only a North American community.

01:12:58.000 He'll say that a political integration is impossible at this time.

01:13:03.000 At this time?

01:13:05.000 Yeah, at this time.

01:13:06.000 That's the key.

01:13:06.000 And he won't deny that he's putting in place all of the infrastructure pieces that would lead there.

01:13:13.000 And that, you know, with these pieces in place, it's going to look different.

01:13:16.000 I mean, I even pointed out to him in interviewing him, and I continually write about that it's the same plan that was done in Europe with the European Union in place over 50 years.

01:13:26.000 Now we have documents like we've got John Monet's memoirs, and Monet was the architect of the European Union from France.

01:13:35.000 Monet pretty clearly says in his memoirs that he used deceit, that he knew he couldn't reveal his true plan, which is to create a European Union.

01:13:43.000 If he did, it would be rejected.

01:13:45.000 So he intentionally did it piecemeal.

01:13:48.000 He put it in piece by piece, knowing that each piece put in would make the next piece more logical, more necessary, easier to achieve, and that he was patient.

01:13:58.000 It went from basically a steel and coal agreement in the Treaty of Rome in 1959, through various stages, to a European common market, to a European community, to European Union, and then the final stage was the Euro.

01:14:15.000 And they still don't have a constitution in place for the European Union.

01:14:19.000 Of course, the bureaucrats operating the European Union as a regional government in Luxembourg and Brussels don't care.

01:14:26.000 They're just operating business as usual, constitution or no constitution.

01:14:30.000 They don't care.

01:14:31.000 Well, that somewhat sounds familiar to me, everything you just said, because I think the NAFTA started out as a little steel union also.

01:14:41.000 Well, in fact, the steel component of NAFTA It's still very central.

01:14:47.000 I mean, the SPP working groups, we obtained a thousand pages under a Freedom of Information Act request from SPP, Security and Prosperity Partnership.

01:14:56.000 It's organized in the Department of Commerce, although it draws throughout the bureaucracy from all the different departments.

01:15:03.000 And we've archived those papers on MinuteManProject.com.

01:15:09.000 And if you take a look there, you'll see quite a bit of stuff on the North American Steel Policy.

01:15:14.000 And that's been one of the central things that SPP.gov has done.

01:15:18.000 Just like it was done in Europe. 0.90

01:15:21.000 And I think it's the same model.

01:15:23.000 We'll go from NAFTA, and now Robert Taster is pressing to put in place some more components of what he considers important for a North American community.

01:15:32.000 And once we get that in place, they're all the time denying that they want to do a North American Union.

01:15:38.000 I expect they'll try to create some crisis.

01:15:41.000 In fact, I've got past her on record now.

01:15:44.000 He published an article in Spanish, in which he basically said we need a 9-11 crisis to create a North American community.

01:15:52.000 And I read it in Spanish.

01:15:55.000 I'm married to a woman who was born in Argentina, an Italian woman.

01:16:01.000 I've spoken fluent Spanish for a long time.

01:16:04.000 By the way, I'm also not opposed to immigration.

01:16:06.000 We've sponsored people to be legally immigrating from El Salvador.

01:16:11.000 But at any rate, Pastor says that it's going to take a crisis to create the North American community.

01:16:17.000 And so now that's the first time that's really been openly stated.

01:16:21.000 And I'm glad I got that on record before the crisis happened.

01:16:24.000 That makes me nervous when you say that because they like to create crises in order to get what they want.

01:16:31.000 It's kind of a standard operating procedure of these people.

01:16:34.000 I understand that Mr. Pastor is a Marxist.

01:16:38.000 Do you agree with that assessment?

01:16:40.000 Well, certainly, his early... I write extensively about that, too.

01:16:44.000 I mean, he began his career after Harvard.

01:16:48.000 He went through the same school of Harvard I went through.

01:16:50.000 He has a PhD from the Department of Government, the Littauer School.

01:16:54.000 I went through just a few years before he did.

01:16:57.000 And then he went to the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington and worked with them.

01:17:03.000 Now, the Institute for Policy Studies is a socialist-communist organization.

01:17:08.000 It was Founded by the person who created Faberge, who was an admitted communist, and Cora Weiss, who continued a lot of the funding of the organization, another admitted communist.

01:17:22.000 And the organization, you know, there's a whole book written about the organization, which is called, what's it called, Covert Cadre.

01:17:31.000 It was a very famous book written a few years ago, just dropped it off my bookshelf, by a guy named S. Stephen Powell.

01:17:40.000 And it was inside the Institute for Policy Studies.

01:17:43.000 And he documented extensively, not only Robert Pastor's involvement with IPS, but the communist nature of the organization.

01:17:51.000 So that's where Pastor started.

01:17:54.000 Then he worked on the Lenowitz Committee, Saul Lenowitz, who was another socialist, and ended up on the National Security Council under Jimmy Carter.

01:18:04.000 The Lenowitz Commission called for giving the Panama Canal to Panama.

01:18:08.000 And that was one of the major assignments of Robert Pastor when he was on the National Security Council working for Jimmy Carter.

01:18:15.000 And if you will recall, if I may interrupt you, when Jimmy Carter was running for President, he openly, publicly stated that if he was President, he would not give away the Panama Canal.

01:18:25.000 And the first thing he did when he became President was do the exact opposite.

01:18:30.000 So, I mean, that's a historical fact.

01:18:32.000 It's not disputable.

01:18:34.000 Okay, we're talking with Jerome Corsi.

01:18:37.000 He writes for Human Events.

01:18:39.000 He also writes for WorldNetDaily.

01:18:41.000 And after the break, we're going to be back and continue to discuss this American Union.

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01:23:19.000 We have with us Dr. Jerome Corsi writes for Human Events Magazine and we are discussing the North American Union And we're discussing, I think we've pretty well established that Robert Pastor, one of the fellows who wrote this treasonous document called Building a North American Community, which is the blueprint for the merger of Canada, United States, and Mexico into one country.

01:23:40.000 We've pretty well established that this guy is a Marxist, Communist, Socialist type, and I don't think that's very good for the United States of America.

01:23:47.000 That's just my opinion.

01:23:49.000 Dr. Corsi, I wanted to actually punctuate that.

01:23:52.000 I wanted to add to that.

01:23:54.000 When I attended last October, I attended a, it was a year ago, October, for the New American Magazine, a conference at Baylor University having to do with this North American Union.

01:24:10.000 I was at a dinner at the beginning of the conference, and this keynote speaker was another communist, Dr. Subhachai Panajpati.

01:24:20.000 He's the former head of the United Nations World Trade Organization.

01:24:25.000 And this guy, he's the keynote speaker, and he actually, during his keynote speech, said that he was having a conversation recently with Bo Xilai, the Trade Minister of Communist China, and that, you know, his father, Bo Yibo, was one of the heroes of the Chinese Communist Revolution.

01:24:52.000 I don't know why he said that.

01:24:53.000 Maybe he wanted to impress all the intellectuals and all the business people there and all the nutty professors at Baylor.

01:24:59.000 I don't know.

01:25:00.000 But the man actually said, in a positive manner, it's like a bragging thing, that the son of one of Mao's murderers is the trade minister of China.

01:25:13.000 The guy's a communist.

01:25:15.000 So it doesn't surprise me that Mr. Pastor is the same thing.

01:25:23.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:25:26.000 The whole thinking of Pastor, I think, he in particular is very anti-American in terms of his ideas.

01:25:35.000 He's written a couple of books.

01:25:36.000 He wrote a book with a communist, Jorge Castaneda, who was a Mexican communist candidate for president of Mexico.

01:25:45.000 Also turned out to be the foreign minister for Vicente Fox.

01:25:50.000 Pastor and Castaneda traded houses.

01:25:52.000 Lived in each other's houses.

01:25:55.000 And wrote a book together, in which they each wrote separate sections of it, and they wrote the final chapter together.

01:26:02.000 And you know, one of Pastor's themes in a lot of what he does is that the United States is too powerful, that we're too arrogant, that we exert our influence too much, and he wants to reduce and diminish the power of the United States.

01:26:15.000 I'd like to subjugate the United States more to Mexico and Canada, and he's very positively disposed towards Mexico.

01:26:23.000 I don't find that he's nearly spent the time in Canada.

01:26:26.000 And, you know, that's all an anti-American kind of wish.

01:26:31.000 And his thinking is often to subjugate the United States very much like the European Union sought to subjugate Germany.

01:26:41.000 Not realizing that Germany would probably end up dominating the European Union to everybody else's detriment. 0.82

01:26:47.000 Which is largely what's happened. 0.89

01:26:50.000 Well, in colloquial terms, colloquial terms that I coined, by the way, Mexico is a crookocracy. 0.97

01:26:56.000 How can anyone want to merge the United States with the crookedest country in the Western Hemisphere?

01:27:07.000 How in any stretch of the imagination can that come out good for the good ol' U.S.

01:27:11.000 of A?

01:27:12.000 Well, I think that's a good question.

01:27:13.000 I mean, I'm concerned about the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

01:27:17.000 We've got this Trusted Traveler and Truster Trader program where we're going to let, just on biometric and other electronic identification, we're going to let anybody from Mexico or any trucking company come across the borders.

01:27:32.000 And Mexico is a drug cartel controlled country.

01:27:37.000 A few oligarchical families control the wealth.

01:27:41.000 Corruption and graft I can give a concrete example of that a few years ago.

01:27:53.000 I used to go to this gun show here in Austin all the time selling gun safes to keep the evil things out of the hands of people who weren't supposed to touch them.

01:28:04.000 At that time, during that period, it was probably 1999, I think.

01:28:08.000 One of the guys that frequented the gun show made the mistake of crossing the border into Mexico, and he had a round of .22 shell on his dashboard.

01:28:19.000 And boy, in order to get him out of there, they had to bribe him out.

01:28:24.000 So, that's just the way it is.

01:28:27.000 Okay, once again, we're coming up on a break.

01:28:29.000 We're talking with Dr. Jerome Forsey about the North American Union, and we'll be back in a few.

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01:32:14.000 Once again we're talking to Dr. Jerome Corsi about the North American Union and I want to finish up on my little anecdotal story about the corruption in Mexico.

01:32:24.000 A fella crosses the border, accidentally has a .22 shell on the dashboard of his truck while the federales arrest him and they throw him in jail and they accuse him of smuggling arms to the Chiapas rebels.

01:32:36.000 Okay.

01:32:37.000 So everybody in the gun show community was concerned about this and I, for one, I called my local congressman, at the time was Lloyd Doggett, And I got a hold of one of his representatives and I explained the situation to him and the man just flat out said it.

01:32:53.000 He says, listen, you know how it is in Mexico.

01:32:55.000 The only way you're going to get anything done down there is to bribe somebody.

01:32:59.000 Well, that's right.

01:33:00.000 You know, that's just the way it works down there.

01:33:02.000 And so we're going to merge with Mexico and Dr. Pastor thinks that's a great idea, right? 0.92

01:33:06.000 Well, and also the idea that we're going to rely on Mexico for our border security while we've got a war on terror going on.

01:33:16.000 It just shows you that the war on terror is probably a joke all together.

01:33:19.000 Well, you say probably a joke.

01:33:22.000 Let's get this straight.

01:33:23.000 You just laid out a situation which has happened already where a bunch of terrorists have been caught, arrested, tried, and convicted, and they're in U.S.

01:33:34.000 prisons coming up through Mexico, right?

01:33:36.000 That's exactly right.

01:33:37.000 We'll give you their names.

01:33:38.000 Take a look at my book, Minute Men, Battle to Secure America's Borders.

01:33:43.000 I'm going to go right now.

01:33:44.000 Page 162, and I'll read you their names.

01:33:48.000 Yeah, let's do this, because we like to document everything we say, right?

01:33:51.000 That's right.

01:33:53.000 March 1st, 2005, Mahmoud Youssef Khourani pleaded guilty to federal charges.

01:34:02.000 They'd used the meetings in his home in Dearborn, Michigan to raise money for Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon.

01:34:08.000 Page 162 of Minutemen, the Battle to Secure America's Borders, and if you look at the footnote, it'll even tell you the Case number and give you the internet link to go look at the prosecutor's records up on the internet.

01:34:20.000 I mean, it's, you know, it's, um... I'm looking at it right now.

01:34:24.000 I mean, it's basically... We have the entire thing fully documented.

01:34:29.000 And then we also showed another couple of cases.

01:34:33.000 There was a, in 2002, Salim Bukardar Bukardafil, who had a cafe in Mexico, Tijuana.

01:34:44.000 It was, um, a cafe was called the Lebanese Cafe in downtown Tijuana, and he was using that restaurant to smuggle Hezbollah agents into the United States for cash.

01:34:58.000 It was a whole smuggling scheme.

01:34:59.000 It was busted by the, um, by the Federalis.

01:35:03.000 And November 12, 2003, as it's on page 164 of Minutemen, the Battle of Secure America's Borders, the, um, Mexican authorities actually even arrested Imelda Ortiz Abdala, who was the Mexican council in Lebanon, and charged him with human trafficking charges for helping Buhadar organize a smuggling scheme in Tijuana in the Lebanese Café.

01:35:28.000 You mean, how much more documentation do we need?

01:35:31.000 Well, I don't think you need any more documentation.

01:35:33.000 I think it's well documented.

01:35:34.000 The question is, doesn't President Bush know about this?

01:35:37.000 You know, he's got to know about it.

01:35:40.000 If he does, I'll be happy to send him a copy of the book with this section outlined in yellow and make it easy for him to find it.

01:35:46.000 So once again, assuming that the administration, we all know that they're out to protect us from evil terrorists, right? 0.98

01:35:54.000 That's what they keep telling us, that they give us an anal probe at the airport and some of them give you your own private room for your anal probe. 0.99

01:35:54.000 Right. 0.99

01:36:01.000 Well, that's why, you know, the whole issue of we better fight them over there in Iraq before we have to fight them here. 0.99

01:36:10.000 It's a joke.

01:36:10.000 We're letting them in here through the back door.

01:36:12.000 Yeah, well, and the question is, why?

01:36:15.000 Well, that's a good question.

01:36:16.000 I mean, you have a Chief Executive Officer of the United States, the President, who is elected.

01:36:25.000 He puts his hand on a Bible in front of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which is required, actually, in the Constitution, and he swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

01:36:37.000 of America.

01:36:38.000 I mean, this is on national TV.

01:36:40.000 This is documentable, right?

01:36:42.000 Right.

01:36:44.000 Take a look at these things I'm publishing.

01:36:46.000 I got the article yesterday, and it's reprinted here today again on World Net Daily, about how this dollar collapse that we're in the very first stages of, dollar is being devalued.

01:36:59.000 We've got a huge trade delegation.

01:37:01.000 We've got two, five cabinet secretaries in China.

01:37:05.000 Secretary Paul Also, even Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke, our debt to China, our trade deficit, is huge and growing.

01:37:17.000 And I'm saying here that the dollar collapse is imminent.

01:37:21.000 Do you think the dollar collapse is imminent?

01:37:25.000 And I think what will result in that is that will be the crisis needed to put the Amaro in as the currency of North America.

01:37:31.000 Yeah, that's what I was just going to ask you.

01:37:33.000 You think that this is the crisis that you referred to earlier, that in order to give them an excuse to bring in the Amaro?

01:37:41.000 I think it's all been, you know, we take a look at these pieces and you've got to say, okay, if the dollar is going to collapse, and I've got a piece today in, World Net Daily that shows out of this federal, you know, we're now required to, Treasury's going to release it on Friday, which is a report on the, they do one time a year, a gap accounting of the federal deficit.

01:38:06.000 Well, they've been saying the federal deficit is about $284 billion.

01:38:10.000 The true number that this report on Friday is going to show is $3.5 trillion.

01:38:15.000 It's a little bit of a magnitude of a difference there, isn't it?

01:38:17.000 Yeah, it's a trillion with a T. And the difference is that what the Treasury reports all year long is kind of a cash basis.

01:38:25.000 In other words, the Social Security taxes produce tax revenue, and the Treasury just uses it to pay current obligations, whatever they are.

01:38:35.000 But in the GAAP accounting, they're forced to address all of the Social Security liabilities that are not being reserved for And the Medicare liabilities, forced to do it all on a GAAP accounting basis, not a cash basis.

01:38:52.000 And when you do that and you put all those liabilities in, instead of $284 billion as the deficit of the 2006 federal budget from George Bush, It's going to be 3.5 trillion dollars or more.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, but I don't think you have anything to worry about there, because after all, you know, they just print the money out of thin air anyway.

01:39:10.000 It's just going to make the money worthless, but they'll pay for everything, you know.

01:39:14.000 Well, they've been monetizing our debt for years, and that's what they've been doing, Bob.

01:39:18.000 But there comes a point where you can't do it anymore.

01:39:21.000 And that point happens if the dollar seriously begins to collapse.

01:39:25.000 I mean, the stories I've done this past week have talked to some people who follow us very closely.

01:39:32.000 The Fed quit printing data on M3.

01:39:36.000 M3 is a money supply index that has been used, especially since Milton Friedman, to watch the growth of the economy.

01:39:46.000 Money supply is one of those critical indexes on monetary policy.

01:39:49.000 M3 is the broadest index.

01:39:51.000 It indicates really the full range of money that's around in the economy.

01:39:56.000 And M3 plus credit is just about all the money you can find.

01:40:00.000 It's been increasing at 11%.

01:40:01.000 I found some economists who have reconstructed the data, even though the Fed no longer prints it.

01:40:07.000 So they're backing into the amount, and they estimate it to be what now?

01:40:11.000 Well, the deficit is going to be $3.5 trillion, but not printing M3.

01:40:15.000 You see, M3, the economy is awash in liquidity.

01:40:20.000 There's all kinds of money around, and that's what's keeping the stock market up.

01:40:24.000 It's what's keeping a lot of things afloat.

01:40:27.000 And also, the yield curve is inverted.

01:40:30.000 Which means long-term interest rates are lower than short-term interest rates, which usually only happens when we go into a recession.

01:40:38.000 So what I'm saying is that the situation we're at right now is at the beginning of a pretty deep recession.

01:40:44.000 It's begun.

01:40:45.000 And the dollar is going to go into a crisis through that recession, in which it could dramatically be devalued and possibly even collapse.

01:40:54.000 If these kinds of things begin happening, then the American public are going to wake up to the reality Uh, that, you know, the government has probably allowed ourselves to become bankrupt, and it's because of several things, but certainly the huge trade deficits were running with China under NAFTA, on free trade agreements.

01:41:13.000 All the manufacturing's going to China.

01:41:15.000 China's shipping in tons of slave goods here, and they're coming in through the NAFTA superhighways that are being planned, like the Trans-Texas Corridor in Texas.

01:41:25.000 With these goods coming in through ports like Manzanilla and Lazaro Cardenas down in the Pacific and Mexico.

01:41:31.000 Well, let's talk about that because that is, all this stuff is linked.

01:41:37.000 You know, the dissolving of the borders, the North American Union merging Canada, United States and Mexico into one unit both politically and economically and even culturally.

01:41:52.000 All this stuff is linked.

01:41:54.000 But when you talk about the economic component of it, the central beneficiary of this NAFTA superhighway is not the Mexicans, it's not us, it's the Communist Chinese.

01:42:08.000 Do you want to elaborate on that as to why?

01:42:11.000 Well sure, I mean all the manufacturing is going over to China.

01:42:15.000 China has slaves, actually literally slaves, political prisoners in concentration camps.

01:42:21.000 And they've also got people that are paid $.20, $.30 an hour to work in these 4,000 person factories.

01:42:30.000 They have to live there and sleep there. 0.94

01:42:32.000 And they're charged for their food and their rent.

01:42:38.000 And they're only paid $.30 or $.40 an hour.

01:42:40.000 They owe their soul to the company store.

01:42:42.000 That's right, exactly.

01:42:44.000 The old Tennessee Ernie Ford song all over again.

01:42:49.000 If we allow that to happen, previously we had free trade agreements that had anti-slavery or anti-dumping clauses in it, which would not let the goods from this kind of, you know, production come in.

01:43:00.000 But the Bush administration came on.

01:43:03.000 I guess it's wrong to have African-American slaves because we can see them. 1.00

01:43:06.000 But it's not wrong for these people to have Chinese slaves because I guess they're little yellow people we can't see. 1.00

01:43:13.000 Well, I want to tell you it's wrong in both instances.

01:43:16.000 And I'll say it's okay to use the Chinese labor like this. 1.00

01:43:20.000 It's immoral and wrong and it's going to produce the same kind of crises that, you know, using the African-American slaves did in the 1700s and 1800s. 0.92

01:43:28.000 Yeah, but now you have this high-tech, you have this high-tech slavery system where, you know, like, let's say some of the slaves misbehave too much, well they can turn them from slaves into prisoners and then once they're prisoners they can harvest their body organs and sell them on the open market.

01:43:42.000 Well, China's doing that, too.

01:43:44.000 I mean, that is not a joke.

01:43:44.000 Exactly.

01:43:45.000 They are doing it openly, and their excuse is, well, they're just prisoners.

01:43:51.000 I've documented that in the articles I've written, too.

01:43:53.000 I mean, can the listeners just back up for a minute and appreciate the moral horror that we're talking about here?

01:44:02.000 Well, everybody should appreciate it because it's unacceptable.

01:44:08.000 It's the same kind of thing we did in the 1700s and 1800s.

01:44:11.000 And if you allow capitalism to proceed in an unbridled way, I'm sure before the Civil War you could have found plenty of people who would have argued for you that slavery was part of the economic system and we needed it.

01:44:23.000 In fact, that's largely why the war was fought.

01:44:27.000 Civil War.

01:44:27.000 And, you know, again in this case, we're probably going to be facing another kind of war, eventually, to pay the price of this slavery that we're allowing to come into the United States.

01:44:38.000 While we're doing it, the manufacturing jobs are being sucked out of here, just like Ross Perot said they would be.

01:44:44.000 Even the jobs in Mexico. 0.91

01:44:47.000 Mexican labor is not cheap enough compared to Chinese. 0.56

01:44:50.000 And if we allow this to go on, you know, if China starts getting economically improved at all, we'll just move on to Indonesia, or to the Middle East, or wherever they can actually get more slaves cheaper again.

01:45:02.000 Because the international globalists don't care where the goods come from, just so they're cheap.

01:45:08.000 I would like to add to that myself.

01:45:10.000 Also, at the conference that I attended last October, over a year ago, at Bell University, this Free Trade in the Americas conference, one of the speakers at one of the talks was Victor Lopez-Villafane, who was the trade representative from Mexico.

01:45:27.000 He gave a talk, a PowerPoint presentation, And he said that NAFTA, when it started, looked pretty good for Mexico, but that now, because of the Communist Chinese coming in, Mexico is getting the shaft, and he actually said that Mexico was the third partner in NAFTA, although they didn't have to sign the agreement. 0.97

01:45:47.000 China was the third partner.

01:45:48.000 And he was upset about it.

01:45:50.000 China is the winner of NAFTA. 0.80

01:45:51.000 Absolutely.

01:45:52.000 No question about it.

01:45:53.000 The reason these superhighways are being created is to allow the Chinese goods to come into the United States cheaper.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, because the most expensive component of the transportation of the communist Chinese slave goods is when they get to our shores and Americans actually have to touch them. 0.92

01:46:10.000 And they actually make a living.

01:46:11.000 And they've all got to come in through Long Beach or Los Angeles.

01:46:14.000 Okay, so that means Teamsters and Longshoremen.

01:46:17.000 And also they've got to bring them across the Rocky Mountains and into the center of the country.

01:46:21.000 And that means American truckers.

01:46:23.000 And also United Transportation workers on the train.

01:46:25.000 Okay, so basically one of the economic components of this superhighway is to completely avoid American transportation industry.

01:46:38.000 Or to minimize it to the extent it can be minimized.

01:46:43.000 And then once these things, by the way, I'm very well aware, and I'm sure you are, that it's the port of Las Rojas Cardenas is how you pronounce it?

01:46:52.000 Lazaro Cardenas, yeah.

01:46:54.000 The Communist Chinese have a deal, that's the Hutchison Port Holdings, which is a subsidiary of Hutchison-Wampoa, the Communist Chinese humongous company, has a deal with Walmart to expand that port from its about 100,000 container capacity per year to 700,000 per year to then 2 million containers per year. 0.84

01:47:18.000 And of course that causes a problem.

01:47:20.000 Dr. Corsi, how are they going to get all the communist Chinese slave goods from that port, which they're expanding like crazy, up into the United States?

01:47:30.000 How are they going to get them there?

01:47:32.000 First of all, the idea is if that port is below Kansas City, those trans-Texas corridor, which is going to get built first, Go from Laredo, Texas.

01:47:41.000 Four football fields wide.

01:47:43.000 You know, highway and train corridor.

01:47:47.000 That'll allow the trucks and the trains in Mexico.

01:47:51.000 Kansas City Southerns already bought the Mexican trains.

01:47:54.000 So they build themselves as the NAFTA Railroad.

01:47:57.000 So you can have Mexican truck drivers, Mexican train workers, Mexican dock workers at Lazaro Cardenas.

01:48:05.000 They're also going to open up a little north of that, Manzanilla.

01:48:08.000 They're going to open up on the west coast, on the Baja, a port called Punta Colonet.

01:48:14.000 Also, they're going to deepen, and they're going to dig a new Panama Canal, which Hutchinson-Wampoa manages each end of that now, thanks to Jimmy Carter and Robert Pastor.

01:48:25.000 And they'll dig a deeper one, so these post-Panamax ships that don't fit through the current canal.

01:48:32.000 Now China's going to have container ships that carry 12,500 containers.

01:48:38.000 Now those are, that's more containers.

01:48:41.000 That's about three or four times the size of any container ship anybody's seen.

01:48:46.000 And, you know, when you get those containers stacked up in there, it's going to look like a skyscraper in terms of its height.

01:48:52.000 Those container ships will now go through the Panama Canal and they can go directly across the Gulf of Mexico and land in Florida.

01:48:59.000 Ports like Miami or Jacksonville.

01:49:02.000 So these corridors that are being built, like the Trans-Texas Corridor, you can have multiple ones of them.

01:49:08.000 You can bring these goods in by water through Mexico to, you know, or across the Panama Canal to where you're not having to lug anything east to west across the United States.

01:49:20.000 And Mexico is already going to have a customs office in Kansas City.

01:49:24.000 That'll make it easier, too.

01:49:25.000 All right.

01:49:26.000 Dr. Jerome Corsi, stay there.

01:49:28.000 Are you going to be able to hang with us for the next hour?

01:49:31.000 For a little while, sure.

01:49:32.000 I can hang with you for a while.

01:49:33.000 Okay, well, we're going to be right back after the break talking with Dr. Jerome Corsi about the North American Union.

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01:52:50.000 Okay, this is Bob Dacey back with Dr. Jerome Corsi. this is Bob Dacey back with Dr. Jerome Corsi.

01:53:11.000 I think we ought to be talking about north to Kansas City because that's where the Napa Superhighway is going to have its Mexican customs port right in the middle of the United States and that's not a conspiracy theory either.

01:53:24.000 They're building that.

01:53:26.000 Dr. Corsi, again I want to get back to this problem here.

01:53:30.000 You've got these massive communist Chinese slave goods ships coming across the ocean, docking at these ports, which they're expanding with Walmart's help. 0.96

01:53:40.000 But we still haven't gotten the communist Chinese slave goods from the southwestern part of Mexico to the border.

01:53:49.000 Now, how is that going to come about?

01:53:51.000 Well, the basic idea here is the borders are going to simply be stopping points electronically.

01:54:01.000 According to SPP.gov, the Security and Prosperity Partnership Working Groups, they got established after this Waco, Texas meeting.

01:54:10.000 The Mexican trucks are going to be considered trusted traders, They're going to get issued these Sentry chips, so they can put these electronic chips in their truck And when they come to the border, it'll be like going through an E-Z Pass. 0.74

01:54:24.000 They'll get recognized as a trusted trader, and they'll go across the border. 0.83

01:54:28.000 Yeah, but we already established that Mexico is a crookocracy, and all you got to... I mean, who knows what's going to be in those trucks? 0.94

01:54:34.000 Well, and also, Mexican drug companies, cartels, have been buying trucking companies for decades to launder cash.

01:54:44.000 I don't think I heard you correctly.

01:54:45.000 Are you saying that the Mexican drug cartels are buying Mexican trucking companies?

01:54:50.000 Absolutely.

01:54:51.000 You just said that?

01:54:52.000 Uh-huh.

01:54:53.000 They own a lot of the so-called legitimate businesses.

01:54:57.000 Well, trucking is one of the ones the drug companies use.

01:55:00.000 How do they get their drugs around? 0.71

01:55:01.000 They buy the trucking companies.

01:55:03.000 Okay, so I'm looking at a website from a company called Savi Technology.

01:55:08.000 Right.

01:55:09.000 Which is a Lockheed Martin company.

01:55:10.000 Yep, and I've been writing about them too.

01:55:12.000 I want to just read this here.

01:55:14.000 This is from 2005.

01:55:16.000 It's from a press release in there.

01:55:20.000 Saabi Technology and Hutchinson Port Holdings established new company to deploy RFID network to track and manage ocean cargo shipments.

01:55:29.000 That's right.

01:55:31.000 And not only that, that subsidiary that they set up together with Hutchinson Wampoa, is negotiating a contract right now with NASCO.

01:55:39.000 NASCO is in Dallas.

01:55:41.000 They're a trade organization.

01:55:43.000 They're committed to North American Super Corridor Coalition.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:47.000 And they're the ones who have been supporting this I-35 corridor.

01:55:50.000 Exactly.

01:55:50.000 I've been calling it NAFTA Super Highway.

01:55:52.000 Right.

01:55:53.000 So now, you know, Hutchinson, Juan Polo, the Communist Chinese are going to be able to have direct information about all the trucks and trains and everything else, RFID chips, They'll know where they are in America at any given time. 0.97

01:56:05.000 I guess if you wanted to put a nuclear weapon in one of those containers, you could even track its progress through the United States until you detonated it.

01:56:11.000 If I detonated it through one of those RFID chips, if you wanted to.

01:56:15.000 I just kind of wonder again why our administration seems to be so oblivious to all of this information.

01:56:22.000 It's unbelievable to me, and you know, the Bush administration, all the things they've been writing, they've been telling people who call into the congressman's offices and everything else, Normal course of business.

01:56:33.000 We're in a dialogue.

01:56:35.000 If you look at SPP.gov's website, they've got a myths versus facts section.

01:56:40.000 And they say, we're not building a North American Union.

01:56:44.000 Well, what are they doing?

01:56:45.000 Why don't we shut down SPP.gov?

01:56:48.000 We don't need all this integration and harmonization of our laws.

01:56:52.000 I need to get this straight.

01:56:53.000 You see, you've got this huge, the big picture here.

01:56:56.000 You've got American jobs and manufacturing shutting down all over the country, going to China because of onerous regulations here and because of American trade policy.

01:57:07.000 It's voiced on us by the Congress.

01:57:09.000 And then this is just going to exacerbate that as they make more and more and more key Chinese slave goods. 0.99

01:57:17.000 And this insanity will continue with this insanity after the top of the hour.

01:57:23.000 Bob Dacey for Alex Schiff.

01:57:25.000 We'll see you next time.

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01:57:53.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:54.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:57:59.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:04.000 Okay, this is Bob Dacey substituting both today and tomorrow for Alex Jones here on the Alex Jones Show on the Guinness Communications Radio Network.

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01:58:25.000 We've been discussing the merger of the United States, Canada and Mexico with Dr. Jerome Corsi.

01:58:32.000 He is a writer for Human Events Magazine and for World Net Daily.

01:58:37.000 Speaking of World Net Daily, Dr. Corsi, One of the things I'm trying to communicate and get at is the physical process of getting the Communist Chinese slave goods from Lazaro Cárdenas to the border because the highway isn't there yet to the degree that it needs to be.

01:58:57.000 So the question is who is going to build the Mexican portion of the Trans-Texas Corridor NAFTA Superhighway?

01:59:04.000 Well that's a good question.

01:59:06.000 Robert Pastner is asking for there to be a North American Investment Fund that would build additional highway infrastructure within Mexico and I'd probably take that kind of a structure because there's not enough traffic probably to justify the Spanish to come in and Sinfro is going to put 280 billion dollars building out these Trans-Texas Corridor highways next 50 years. 0.97

01:59:32.000 All the tolls are going to go to Spain but I don't think Spain is going to build the roads in Mexico yet.

01:59:40.000 Robert Pastor says let's get a public investment fund to do it.

01:59:43.000 You mean American taxpayer money?

01:59:45.000 American tax dollars.

01:59:47.000 Our money going to Mexico.

01:59:48.000 Okay, back it up, back it up.

01:59:49.000 More billions being thrown away into Mexico. 0.92

01:59:52.000 Wait, wait, back this up.

01:59:54.000 I want everybody to understand what he just said, and this is documentably true.

01:59:59.000 American taxpayers whose jobs are being shipped overseas so that the Chinese Communists can mill the slave goods are now going to be expected through this North American Investment Fund to build the Mexican portion of the Trans-Texas Corridor to get the cheap communist Chinese slave goods up into America so that they can further the process of eliminating more American jobs. 0.93

02:00:23.000 Is this correct?

02:00:24.000 That's exactly right because you see this old build rose down into the center and south of Mexico.

02:00:31.000 Robert Pastor argues that's needed to develop Mexico.

02:00:35.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 And then you know of course The taxpayers will pay for it, and the Mexicans will utilize it to transport the goods, but even the Mexicans are going to lose jobs in this process to China.

02:00:48.000 Yeah, they're just using Mexico as a conduit.

02:00:50.000 Mexico's a conduit. 0.93

02:00:52.000 Mexico's a transit point.

02:00:53.000 It's cheap labor to move the transportation of these cheap goods, and when Kansas City Southern says, oh no, we won't have Mexican train workers, we'll have United Transportation workers, On the trains once they cross the border.

02:01:08.000 But you know, the railroads are already pressuring the United Transportation Union to reduce crews on the railroads running in the United States.

02:01:21.000 So the pressure from the Mexican railroad workers is going to add fuel to lowering wages of UTU workers and to lowering the number of trainmen allowed on an individual train.

02:01:35.000 So it'll be a downward pressure on transportation wages across the continent.

02:01:39.000 Oh, this is going to be good for everybody because it's going to just lower everybody's wages all over the place.

02:01:44.000 Lots of cheap goods ahead of you.

02:01:49.000 We're all consumers.

02:01:54.000 If we don't have any more money, we can't consume anything.

02:01:57.000 Is he working for Wal-Mart?

02:02:00.000 I guess he could be.

02:02:01.000 Is he owning stock in Wal-Mart?

02:02:02.000 I don't know.

02:02:03.000 I did ask him that.

02:02:04.000 You know, this is not theoretical stuff, ladies and gentlemen.

02:02:07.000 I know that Senator John Cornyn earlier this year got caught with his pants down.

02:02:12.000 And we interviewed him from World Net Daily because Senator Cornyn introduced into Congress I believe it was S-3622, which was a bill to create the North American Investment Fund.

02:02:26.000 Yeah, let's talk about that after this break.

02:02:29.000 We'll be back.

02:02:29.000 We're talking with Dr. Jerome Corsi about this insanity of the North American Union.

02:02:29.000 We're back.

02:02:34.000 We're back.

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02:05:51.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:05:56.000 Okay, once again, this is Bob Dacey, substituting for Alex Jones for the next couple of days, and we are honored to have Dr. Jerome Courtsey as our guest.

02:06:06.000 We're discussing the North American Union, which again, is not a theory, it's not an academic exercise, it is happening right now.

02:06:14.000 And we were just talking before the break about the fact that our own Texas Senator John Cornyn introduced a bill in the 109th Congress.

02:06:23.000 It was Senate Bill 3622, which called for the development of this North American Investment Fund, which is exactly what Robert Pastor calls for, to the word.

02:06:34.000 And the purpose of the fund was to create, improve infrastructure in Mexico.

02:06:42.000 In other words, American taxpayers building the Mexican portion of the Trans-Texas Corridor, which is a subset of the NAFTA superhighway, so that the Communist Chinese goods can get here better and quicker and faster, and so that the American people's descent into poverty can be cushioned. 0.90

02:07:03.000 You know, Dr. Corsi, I'm not an economist.

02:07:06.000 I'm just a regular old Joe.

02:07:08.000 You know, I run a true value hardware store in Austin, Texas.

02:07:12.000 That's what I do for a living.

02:07:14.000 Okay.

02:07:15.000 You know, that's what I do.

02:07:16.000 You know, I'm not a professional journalist.

02:07:18.000 I've been paid, I was paid by the New American to go up to cover that conference in Waco.

02:07:22.000 You know, they paid my hotel and a few bucks to write that article.

02:07:26.000 But I'm not a professional journalist, but I can think, I can see, I can hear, you know, and this entire thing is obscene.

02:07:38.000 Well, you know, the thinking starts as soon as you do what the globalists have done.

02:07:45.000 As you cross the line over and you say, OK, look, we're going to now create a North American Union, like a European Union.

02:07:54.000 They started this way back in George H.W.

02:07:57.000 Bush's administration to really push it.

02:08:00.000 Clinton signed it, going on for some time.

02:08:04.000 Once you start that thinking, and once you start believing that World trade and globalism are going to solve all the problems of the world.

02:08:12.000 And, you know, Robert Pastor believes that.

02:08:16.000 A lot of the socialists believe that.

02:08:17.000 And you get pressure from both sides.

02:08:21.000 Because the unbridled capitalists just want the access to the cheap labor. 1.00

02:08:26.000 They just want to make more money.

02:08:28.000 More, you know, dollar bills.

02:08:31.000 They want to make more billions.

02:08:33.000 So, Wal-Mart doesn't care.

02:08:34.000 Wal-Mart is happy to take All their goods from communist China.

02:08:38.000 They move into neighborhoods and shut down, you know, they've gone all through communities all across the country into small towns.

02:08:45.000 Build a superstore.

02:08:47.000 Pretty soon the hardware that's been there for three generations can't function anymore.

02:08:51.000 It closes up.

02:08:52.000 Everything closes up in the town.

02:08:54.000 All you've got left is a superstore.

02:08:55.000 They don't care.

02:08:56.000 Well, the thing that I, this economic theory that I'm about to propose, even though I'm not an economist,

02:09:03.000 It seems that the effect of all this in terms of as our standard of living slowly sinks into the West, as the wage scales go down, as America sinks slowly, slowly, slowly down so that our wage scales can more comfortably merge with those of the rest of the world, all this cheap Chinese communist stuff that's coming in is masking our descent. 0.99

02:09:30.000 We can't tell it.

02:09:32.000 You know, you used to go to the store and buy something for a dollar, and now you go there and buy it for 50 cents, you know, some consumer goods, because it's coming from China, so you can't really tell.

02:09:42.000 It's like a fake cushion on your descent.

02:09:46.000 When you hit, it's going to really hurt.

02:09:49.000 What do you think about that?

02:09:50.000 Well, I think, you know, certainly the whole idea that people are getting cheap goods at Walmart and other places is one of the things that's meant for people to say, hey, this is a good idea.

02:10:02.000 And if people don't think very hard about it, sure, it's a great idea to be able to buy things cheap.

02:10:07.000 When you start understanding that that's predicated on slaves, or near-slaves, producing those goods, and the two lines to go on, they come to the same point, is A, that's morally wrong, and B, it's stupid economically, because you undercut the employment here in the United States, He closed down manufacturing and he put people out of work.

02:10:33.000 Now, labor and management are really not, and should never consider themselves, like I was raised in a labor family.

02:10:40.000 My father was public relations director for the railroad trainmen, Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen, and he helped create the United Transportation Union.

02:10:49.000 And I mean, I remember this since I was a child, the discussions that, you know, labor and management are not on, are not enemies.

02:10:57.000 Labor's got to make management strong in order for management to understand the value of labor.

02:11:03.000 It's got to work both ways.

02:11:05.000 One side's got to make sure the other side is also healthy.

02:11:10.000 You can't win by destroying labor, and you can't win by destroying management.

02:11:14.000 Now, if it's communist Chinese slaves, Walmart doesn't care. 1.00

02:11:19.000 Because they're over there in China, nobody sees them, it doesn't make any difference, it's China's problem. 1.00

02:11:24.000 And if you object, they say, well, this helps China develop because we're putting... It doesn't help China develop as a middle class.

02:11:31.000 When these people who are slaves working in these factories get to be 20 years old, they fire them, put them out in the countryside, and get another 12-year-old or 13-year-old to work in that factory.

02:11:42.000 Nobody ever saves anything working in those factories.

02:11:45.000 It makes a few people... It'll make China look just like Mexico. 0.99

02:11:50.000 A few wealthy people and a few wealthy families, and they'll control the country. 1.00

02:11:55.000 And the great masses will be poor.

02:11:56.000 Well, the same thing will happen in the United States.

02:11:58.000 United States, the people of this country who have depended upon manufacturing jobs, virtually since the country was founded, are going to find that they don't have those jobs anymore, and there isn't anything else left, except a very few small wages.

02:12:14.000 Even our cars, nobody has made much of this.

02:12:18.000 Detroit General Motors and Ford just closed down a huge set of plants.

02:12:23.000 And laid off thousands of workers.

02:12:25.000 Now, those workers are going to find that instead of $30 jobs, they're going to end up with $10 jobs, if they can find one at all.

02:12:32.000 And to get the $10 job, they're probably going to have to compete with an illegal immigrant that came through Mexico. 1.00

02:12:39.000 Now, at that point, we don't have a middle class left.

02:12:43.000 And about, you know, one more generation of this, when the cars are now going to be started to be made in China, And every one of the major car companies has gone to China to stake out a position.

02:12:56.000 Those container ships, to bring them in the container ships and put the cars in there, bring them in through the ships, and we won't need anything in the car industry in the United States except retail distribution.

02:13:07.000 And the capitalists don't think far enough to care that there won't be a middle class left to buy those products.

02:13:13.000 They figure that there'll be enough of a oligarchy left You know, Goldman Sachs doesn't care.

02:13:19.000 They're throwing a billion dollar Christmas party this year.

02:13:23.000 A multi-billion dollar.

02:13:24.000 Everybody's getting huge bonuses.

02:13:26.000 Well, that's because they're hedge funds, and they want the companies they've invested in in China, thanks to Treasury Secretary Paulson, when he was there at Goldman Sachs, have done a good deal for those guys right now.

02:13:38.000 Even if they're closing down factories all over America.

02:13:40.000 It's just a bad deal for the middle class.

02:13:43.000 And the middle class is the backbone of America and always has been.

02:13:46.000 So the target of all this then is the middle class.

02:13:51.000 You're echoing the sentiments of Lou Dobbs on CNN.

02:13:58.000 Lou Dobbs, right.

02:13:59.000 And he has picked it up on CNN.

02:14:05.000 I'm honored to have been on his show with Minuteman, The Battle to Secure America's Borders, and I strongly support the book he wrote on the end of the middle class.

02:14:14.000 I've read that book, and I think it's an excellent book.

02:14:16.000 And he's right.

02:14:18.000 You know, the special interests have bought the politicians.

02:14:23.000 And, you know, look at Bill Clinton.

02:14:26.000 China bought Bill Clinton.

02:14:28.000 There were campaign fundraising scandals.

02:14:30.000 All the technology that's been shipped to China Bill Clinton started engineering.

02:14:35.000 You gotta start asking, how did Hillary Clinton go from a $300,000 net worth to a $50 million net worth?

02:14:42.000 And I'll give you two words that explain it.

02:14:44.000 China and Dubai.

02:14:46.000 Between the two of them, she became a multi-millionaire.

02:14:49.000 And if you don't think Hillary and Bill are still working together, they may not be man and wife, but they're still, they're sure making sure each other get billions.

02:14:59.000 And Bill would sure like to be back in the White House, I guess.

02:15:02.000 For all of you who think this is a Republican problem, you better wake up, because it's not.

02:15:06.000 It's not?

02:15:07.000 The Democrats and the Republicans at the top of this heap are globalists, they're elitists, they're one-worlders, and both of them in concert are working to destroy the American middle class and to destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

02:15:22.000 I'll write a story next week, Bob, when I show... I'm waiting until...

02:15:26.000 Friday we get this report.

02:15:27.000 I'll write a story and show that the financial report of the United States for 2006 shows the fact we're at least running this.

02:15:35.000 The $3.5 trillion, with a T, dollar budget deficit, fiscal budget deficit this year.

02:15:41.000 And I think that our negative net worth will now be closer to $60 billion instead of $50 billion.

02:15:47.000 But I'll also show that all this idea that Clinton had surpluses again was accounting gimmicks.

02:15:54.000 That Clinton was running trillion dollar deficits, too.

02:15:58.000 And I'm going to go back and correct those years so people don't think that, you know, it was great under Clinton.

02:16:04.000 It wasn't.

02:16:04.000 He was deepening this problem.

02:16:07.000 George Bush has deepened it further.

02:16:08.000 Started with George H.W.

02:16:10.000 Bush.

02:16:11.000 I mean, it's gone on.

02:16:13.000 Probably go back to Reagan.

02:16:15.000 Reagan made a terrible decision in 1986 to allow that amnesty to be granted, and that was probably the beginning of the downward slope.

02:16:24.000 Well, you know, it sounds like my friends at the Council on Foreign Relations have been very busy for decades.

02:16:31.000 I wanted to ask you a question.

02:16:32.000 I noticed that you joined forces in some sort of an agreement or some sort of a union with the John Birch Society.

02:16:41.000 Can you elaborate on that?

02:16:43.000 Well, the John Birch Society asked me to come and give a keynote address to them at one of their council meetings in North Carolina, and I was happy to do that.

02:16:53.000 I also, they've been publishing and writing in their magazine, The New American, following everything that I've been doing.

02:16:59.000 So I think, in this battle, they've been in the lead for years, saying that this North American Union was coming down the pike.

02:17:08.000 I'll form alliances, as many as I can, to get this stopped.

02:17:14.000 Well, I think that's excellent because the Birch Society is doing the same thing.

02:17:17.000 They're reaching out to other Americans who are also trying to save this country.

02:17:24.000 And we're going to save the rest of this conversation for after the break.

02:17:27.000 We'll be back with Dr. Jerome Porcy.

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02:22:06.000 This is Bob Dacey back with Dr. Jerome Corsi on the Alex Jones Show.

02:22:11.000 We've been discussing the North American Union and the plans of our elitist friends to merge Canada, the United States, and Mexico into one big happy slave country.

02:22:24.000 We're going to be opening up the phone lines for questions to Dr. Corsi.

02:22:29.000 The number is 1-800-259-9231.

02:22:35.000 That's 1-800-259-9231.

02:22:39.000 So after this segment, we're going to be taking calls for anyone who wants to discuss this with Dr. Jerome Corsi.

02:22:46.000 The man knows what he's talking about.

02:22:48.000 He has written extensively on this subject.

02:22:52.000 You want to go to humaneventsonline.com.

02:22:55.000 That's humaneventsonline.com.

02:22:59.000 I think Dr. Corsi is the second author.

02:23:02.000 When you click on the contributors button, just click on Jerome Corsi and you will find out the immense amount of work that this man has done exposing the North American Union for what it really is.

02:23:20.000 Dr. Corsi, have you gotten any flack for this work you're doing?

02:23:27.000 Well, I mean, you know, I get criticized on the Internet and other places by people who say that none of this is happening and it's all hysteria or an Internet conspiracy theory.

02:23:38.000 None of that bothers me.

02:23:39.000 I say if it's an Internet conspiracy theory, it's being conducted on government websites.

02:23:44.000 Because you've got a Security and Prosperity Partnership with SPT.gov.

02:23:49.000 That whole website is maintained by the Department of Commerce.

02:23:52.000 You've got the Trans-Texas Corridor.

02:23:56.000 Well, go take a look at KeepTexasMoving.com.

02:24:00.000 That's a Texas Department of Transportation website.

02:24:03.000 I document this $3.5 trillion federal budget deficit today on World Net Daily.

02:24:09.000 Well, I link to the federal government budget site that produces the report.

02:24:15.000 So if you don't believe me, go read the federal report yourself.

02:24:18.000 And that's, I think, what's made these articles convincing, is that I've thoroughly linked them.

02:24:24.000 To the government reports that document that what I'm talking about is substantiated.

02:24:28.000 Well, has anybody that actually has any financial authority over human events or World Net Daily or any of the publications that you write for said, hey, Dr. Corsi, why don't you just shut up or something?

02:24:43.000 Has anybody done anything like that?

02:24:45.000 Absolutely not.

02:24:45.000 I've been encouraged by both the editors.

02:24:48.000 Joseph Farah, who is the founder and publisher of WorldNetDaily, has been very supportive.

02:24:53.000 Robert Bluey, who is the major editor I work with at Human Events, has been extremely supportive.

02:24:59.000 I'm very close to the Human Events staff and to Regnery.

02:25:05.000 Eagle Publishing is the parent of Human Events.

02:25:08.000 I published with John O'Neill, Unfit for Command, against John Kerry, which was a book published by Regnery.

02:25:15.000 It was probably one of their Biggest selling books ever.

02:25:21.000 I've gotten only support from the editors and publishers of the work I'm doing.

02:25:25.000 I think, again, it's highly documented.

02:25:27.000 It's all authenticated.

02:25:29.000 None of this is made up.

02:25:30.000 It's fully, fully in the public record or in interviews I've conducted that I've recorded and documented.

02:25:36.000 If you want to see some more documentation, I'm wondering, and this is a spread off out of the cold here, are you familiar with the North American PPP 2006, the Infrastructure Finance Conference?

02:25:46.000 I knew they had a PPP, which stands for the Personal Private Partnerships, Public Private Partnerships.

02:25:57.000 They had one of those meetings that cost almost $3,000 to attend.

02:26:03.000 It was held at the Waldorf last year.

02:26:04.000 Are they planning another one or is that the one you're referring to?

02:26:07.000 This is the one I'm referring to.

02:26:08.000 I'm looking at their last brochure.

02:26:12.000 You people out there just think this is all nuts, we're just making this up.

02:26:16.000 Just go to www.euromoneyseminars.com slash ppp.

02:26:24.000 www.euromoneyseminars.com slash ppp.

02:26:29.000 This is an ad for this conference they had last September.

02:26:34.000 Absolutely vulgar.

02:26:35.000 Well, just take a look at the investment banks that participated.

02:26:38.000 I have that brochure right here somewhere.

02:26:40.000 Yeah, you've got the Royal Bank of Scotland.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, they're coming over here.

02:26:44.000 Goldman Sachs.

02:26:45.000 Yeah.

02:26:45.000 Carlyle Group.

02:26:48.000 And people are coming over here.

02:26:50.000 These people have a seminar in New York to teach foreign investors how to come carve up American infrastructure.

02:26:59.000 Yeah, well I just pulled that brochure right out.

02:27:01.000 I mean, exactly.

02:27:03.000 And look at the government participants.

02:27:04.000 You have the U.S.

02:27:05.000 Department of Transportation, the Department of Transportation of the various states.

02:27:09.000 Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Florida, Oregon, Alaska, Indiana.

02:27:15.000 It's a wholesale sellout of our infrastructure and more.

02:27:19.000 We'll be back after the break with Dr. Jerome Corsi, and we'll take a call.

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02:30:38.000 Okay, Bob Faisi back on the Alex Jones Show with Dr. Jerome Corsi talking about the North American Bob Faisi back on the Alex Jones Show with Dr. Jerome Just before the break, we were talking about this North American PPP 2006 conference that was held in September.

02:31:02.000 I want to read something from this thing.

02:31:05.000 They talk about their agenda.

02:31:06.000 And on the second day, they talk about this.

02:31:09.000 New asset classes in PPP.

02:31:12.000 How wide can the net be spread?

02:31:15.000 Let's off-road.

02:31:17.000 P3 opportunities away from transportation.

02:31:19.000 Taking a closer look at health.

02:31:23.000 Waste.

02:31:24.000 Military accommodation.

02:31:26.000 Schools.

02:31:26.000 Prisons.

02:31:27.000 Municipal buildings.

02:31:29.000 Dr. Corsi, these people plan on gobbling up everything.

02:31:34.000 Well, the investment bank, first of all, you've got to realize there's so much U.S.

02:31:40.000 cash that's gone overseas.

02:31:41.000 They've got to have someplace to spend it?

02:31:43.000 They have to have, exactly.

02:31:45.000 In other words, the only alternative, and we're doing, we need to send more overseas all the time because the problem with this 3.5 trillion dollar budget deficit.

02:31:55.000 I'm not talking about a U.S. 0.99

02:31:56.000 debt.

02:31:57.000 This is an each year budget deficit.

02:32:00.000 A shortfall each year of three and a half trillion dollars in the budget.

02:32:05.000 That's what this report just released.

02:32:07.000 It's going to be released on Friday.

02:32:08.000 It's a 2005 report documented for the 2005 fiscal federal budget.

02:32:14.000 So it's each year?

02:32:15.000 Trillion?

02:32:16.000 Each year.

02:32:16.000 Trillions?

02:32:17.000 Because what they don't do when they say the budget deficit is only $248 billion, which is what the Treasury has been saying, is that that's on a cash basis.

02:32:27.000 When you do a GAAP accounting, which is Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, and you fully create the liabilities and account for them on Social Security and Medicare, they're just taking the Social Security money and spending it on the next obligation you've got, which is what the $248 billion deficit reflects.

02:32:48.000 Now the new fully accounted deficit is 3.5 trillion dollars.

02:32:53.000 Now we have to finance that deficit.

02:32:58.000 We end up selling treasury securities into the foreign exchange market.

02:33:03.000 So if China quits buying our treasury securities, we can't finance our budget debt.

02:33:09.000 So if I may put this in simple terms that hopefully people will understand.

02:33:14.000 Tell me if you agree with this.

02:33:16.000 Right.

02:33:16.000 If you were to boil this down to someone's personal finances, it's akin to somebody who is spending way more money than he's earning, and so he puts a second mortgage up on his house in order to finance his deficit, and pretty soon they're going to foreclose on his house.

02:33:39.000 Well, that's about right in personal terms.

02:33:41.000 What it is, is we're constantly borrowing, creating more debt.

02:33:46.000 To handle current liabilities, to pay for things that the federal budget has promised to pay for today.

02:33:53.000 And at the same time running a huge budget deficit, we're running a trade deficit to China, under the Security and Prosperity Partnership in North America, where we've just opened our markets, and the World Trade Organization, where we've done it too.

02:34:09.000 And now we've got five cabinet secretaries, Secretary Paulson, plus the head of the Federal Reserve, Over there trying to convince the Chinese to allow their currency to go up in value, which the Chinese won't do. 0.92

02:34:24.000 Or to encourage Chinese to buy more from the United States, which they won't do. 0.99

02:34:30.000 And, you know, we've got hand-in-hand to China right now.

02:34:33.000 And it's unconscionable.

02:34:35.000 And what the investment bankers are planning to do in this PPP conference is that they're going to securitize and structure not only roads like this Trans-Texas Corridor, But they're going to take a whole set of public water projects, all the water facilities in the cities and towns, schools, prisons, hospitals, you name it, and they'll sell it to the foreign investors.

02:34:59.000 It'll all be owned by somebody else, all the foreigners. 1.00

02:35:03.000 And this is stuff that we the taxpayers have already paid for, and now they're going to sell it to a bunch of foreigners. 1.00

02:35:08.000 America, you better wake up!

02:35:12.000 They're going to let Hutchinson Wampoa, a communist Chinese firm that manages ports with close ties to the Chinese military, they're going to let them manage the ports in Mexico through which these goods come.

02:35:27.000 And NASCO, the trade organization, the NASCO super corridors in Dallas, they're going to do a deal with Lockheed Martin And a subsidiary owned by 49% by Hutchins and Wampoa to put the sensors all up and down the NASCO corridor to know where the trucks and trains are carrying these Chinese goods.

02:35:46.000 Boy, I feel safer already.

02:35:48.000 I mean, I'm saying that you might as well let a couple of Chinese gunboats come on up to Mississippi. 0.75

02:35:53.000 Who's going to stop them?

02:35:54.000 They'll probably own the Mississippi by the time they sail up it.

02:35:57.000 Well, turnabout's fair play.

02:35:58.000 That's what the British did to the Chinese back a long time ago.

02:36:01.000 I don't think the Chinese forgot.

02:36:03.000 I guess not.

02:36:04.000 Listen, we're going to take some calls here, Dr. Corsi, if you don't mind.

02:36:07.000 Great.

02:36:07.000 We'll see.

02:36:08.000 First up, we have Fred in Philadelphia.

02:36:10.000 Fred, you're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:36:13.000 Welcome.

02:36:15.000 Fred, are you there?

02:36:16.000 Hi, Bob.

02:36:18.000 What's going on?

02:36:19.000 Hey, I'm just listening with rapt attention to this show.

02:36:28.000 One of the things that comes up in my mind is that we're getting a constant stream of government statements and what constitutes truth by the government?

02:36:40.000 How do we screen out basically the falsehoods by the government and also could you comment about the Constitution

02:36:57.000 As a way to screen out all these false statements and you know, what do we do as we run through our daily lives to basically have a better perspective on all of this?

02:37:14.000 Dr. Coursey, do you want to tackle that?

02:37:15.000 Well, the Bush administration is operating in complete contradiction to and disregard for the Constitution.

02:37:23.000 I've been urging Congress to demand hearings on SPP, the Security and Prosperity Partnership, because according to the Constitution, we shouldn't be harmonizing and integrating our laws with two foreign nations, Mexico and Canada, in bureaucratic meetings that are being held behind closed doors of the bureaucrats' in bureaucratic meetings that are being held behind closed doors of the Bureaucrats, three governments.

02:37:45.000 And even if we could, I might add, even if we could do that, it wouldn't be the executive branch.

02:37:50.000 You've got to have legislation to do that, even if you could do it.

02:37:53.000 Or a treaty should be negotiated.

02:37:55.000 Or a treaty.

02:37:56.000 The legislative branch has to be involved.

02:37:59.000 Right?

02:38:00.000 Even NAFTA is not a two-thirds vote of the Senate.

02:38:02.000 NAFTA should have been a treaty. 0.56

02:38:04.000 NAFTA itself is unconstitutional.

02:38:06.000 It's just a law.

02:38:08.000 And it should not have been passed by one vote.

02:38:10.000 I mean, it should have been a treaty that demanded a two-thirds vote of the Senate.

02:38:14.000 They knew they couldn't do that, so they slipped it in as a law.

02:38:17.000 It's again a disregard of the Constitution.

02:38:20.000 So the Constitution, like George Bush is quoted as having said, in the Oval Office, is just evidently to have a G.D.

02:38:26.000 piece of paper.

02:38:27.000 That's what he said.

02:38:28.000 He was quoted as saying that.

02:38:30.000 And I hate to have to add this because I just kind of call it like it is.

02:38:34.000 If you took an oath to swear and protect and defend this country and this Constitution before you became President, and if the Constitution itself requires that you take that oath before you can become President, and if you break that oath So viciously and so repeatedly and so obviously you don't have any business being the president and you should be out of there.

02:38:55.000 I mean that's, you're talking about constitutional remedy?

02:38:58.000 Well there's something called impeachment and there's something called treason and I think the two go hand in hand.

02:39:04.000 Well certainly treason is a high crime and misdemeanor and you know the problem is that the Democrats are the ones who should be all over this and should be out there representing the people.

02:39:16.000 They say that the Well, the people are their constituency.

02:39:19.000 Yeah, but John Conyers... They're paid.

02:39:22.000 They're paid by the same groups that are paying the Republicans.

02:39:26.000 Yeah, unfortunately that's true.

02:39:27.000 John Conyers was making motions about looking into all this nasty unconstitutional rights-robbing stuff Bush was doing several months ago.

02:39:36.000 And now that the Democrats have the House of Representatives, they say, well, never mind.

02:39:40.000 Don't worry about that.

02:39:41.000 The only thing they want to expose the Republicans on is Foley writing Sexual memos to the pages. 0.99

02:39:49.000 Well, they themselves do that and far worse.

02:39:53.000 That's a distraction to cure.

02:39:54.000 Fred, thank you for that.

02:39:56.000 Dr. Corsi?

02:39:57.000 Yes.

02:39:58.000 I just wanted to say that could you tell me who was basically fighting the fight in the 90s over the truth about the annual deficits?

02:40:12.000 There was a female expert and one male expert that were predominant, especially on the internet. 0.56

02:40:18.000 And yet they were basically squashed and not allowed to get the story out.

02:40:24.000 There was no one in Congress that was fighting that fight.

02:40:28.000 There was no one in the government, but there were two independent people that were well known that I remember.

02:40:35.000 I don't remember by name.

02:40:36.000 Do you remember who knew the truth about that in the 90s?

02:40:40.000 I've been reading it for years, but this was the first time.

02:40:44.000 I got a hold of, the report I have published today in WorldNetDaily, when I got a hold of John Williams, whose blog I cite, he's an econometrician, he writes an extremely good analysis in this Shadow Government Statistics is his blog, if you take a look at WorldNetDaily.

02:41:04.000 Is that the site?

02:41:06.000 I'll give you the exact site here in a second.

02:41:11.000 He has documented it.

02:41:13.000 He did the analysis of these reports called the Financial Report of the United States, which will be issued on Friday.

02:41:21.000 Now, Shadow Government Statistics, by the way, their internet site is www.shadowstats.com.

02:41:30.000 S-H-A-D-O-W-S-T-A-T-S dot com.

02:41:35.000 All one word.

02:41:36.000 Shadowstats.com.

02:41:38.000 And John Williams had done the analysis, and I interviewed John, and so finally I had a federal government report that I could analyze with an expert who was willing to make the argument with me that we have a $3.5 trillion deficit.

02:41:56.000 I demand that much proof in things I write.

02:41:58.000 I mean, I have to have a government document before, or some authoritative expert on the record.

02:42:06.000 Before I'll go ahead and write these things, because I'm not interested in conspiracy theories, I want facts.

02:42:12.000 Okay, so we're going to go to ShadowStats.com.

02:42:14.000 ShadowStats.com.

02:42:16.000 Thank you for the call, Fred.

02:42:17.000 We've also got John in Missouri up here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:42:21.000 John, are you there?

02:42:22.000 Yeah, Bob.

02:42:23.000 How's it going?

02:42:24.000 I don't know.

02:42:25.000 It sounds like we're going down to two.

02:42:26.000 Oh, buddy!

02:42:28.000 Hey, I've got a couple of statements and a question.

02:42:32.000 Actually, two questions.

02:42:34.000 My son recently started school in Northwest Missouri State, up above St.

02:42:39.000 Joe.

02:42:40.000 And I took him up there back in August to go to his dorm, and I noticed on I-29, just about the airport, KCI, there is a sign that says, Mexican Free Trade Zone.

02:42:52.000 Yeah, right.

02:42:52.000 And that stuck with me.

02:42:53.000 I was like, what in the heck is that?

02:42:56.000 And now listening to you guys talk here, I realize what it is now.

02:43:01.000 And does that remove all the taxes we would require for the trade going through there?

02:43:06.000 That's right.

02:43:07.000 And Mexico plans to put a customs office in Kansas City in their smart port.

02:43:13.000 Kansas City has gone about Mexican crazy.

02:43:15.000 They think they're going to make a lot of money shipping the Mexican goods through Kansas City because they view themselves as an east and west point as well as north and south for the railroad.

02:43:25.000 I've got news for Kansas City.

02:43:26.000 They're not going to make nearly as much money as they think they're going to make.

02:43:29.000 Everything is going to come through there cheap.

02:43:33.000 But Kansas City has got a Mexiplex.

02:43:36.000 They've got a whole Mexican trade group there. 0.56

02:43:38.000 They've renamed some of the roads.

02:43:41.000 Go take a look at the roads around the airport.

02:43:43.000 You've got Mexico City Drive.

02:43:45.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:43:47.000 Absolutely. 0.93

02:43:47.000 They've gone Mexican crazy in Kansas City. 0.93

02:43:50.000 They all think they're going to become billionaires working with Mexico. 0.86

02:43:53.000 I've got news for you.

02:43:54.000 Nobody makes money working with Mexico except Mexico. 0.83

02:43:57.000 And even in Mexico you don't make it unless you're one of the drug dealers or one of the families that got control.

02:44:05.000 I was working for Caterpillar in the 90s as I watched this whole thing roll upon us.

02:44:10.000 And in 92 I had an engineer, we were discussing NAPTA, and I had an engineer, a senior engineer, trying to explain it to us and he'd give it to us this way.

02:44:20.000 He said, what that is out to do is to tear America's first world status down to a second world status and bring the third world nations up to a second world status. 0.98

02:44:31.000 And that stuck with me because I'd heard talks about first world countries and third world countries but you never hear about that second world country.

02:44:38.000 Well there's a tremendous resentment about the United States and our standard of living.

02:44:42.000 Oh yes.

02:44:42.000 There has been.

02:44:44.000 And people think the best solution to it is to destroy it rather than have other countries replicate it.

02:44:50.000 We have Several things that are unique in the United States.

02:44:53.000 Our rights are inalienable and not given by the communist government.

02:44:58.000 Absolutely.

02:44:59.000 Secondly, you know, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights did set out a structure of checks and balances that are designed to preserve liberty and to encourage private enterprise and to develop a middle class.

02:45:12.000 And like Abraham Lincoln said, we are unique in experiment, which Lincoln did not know whether it was long endure, and I don't know if it will now long endure, to be government of the people, by the people, and for the people, with a unique government structure that gave power to the middle class, to the people.

02:45:28.000 Every other government ever formed in the history of the world gave power to the elites, and the elites are meaning to take it back.

02:45:34.000 What we're talking about here is government of the elite, by the elite, for the elite.

02:45:38.000 It'll make the whole world look like Mexico, economically. 1.00

02:45:41.000 John in Missouri, I want to thank you very much for that call.

02:45:44.000 I want to completely agree with what you just said.

02:45:47.000 If these people get their way, there's just going to be this third big giant third world country.

02:45:54.000 You know, it's going to be one big third world country and there's going to be a rich elite sitting on top of all the rest of it.

02:46:01.000 Yeah, in that third world country, Nobody working at Goldman Sachs thinks they'll be in the bottom.

02:46:06.000 They'll be the ones with the billion dollar bonuses.

02:46:08.000 You don't think any of this is going to affect them.

02:46:10.000 That's because I kind of believe a lot of these academic types, they live in this academic bubble.

02:46:16.000 You know, they got a degree in whatever and they think they're all smart and they hobnob with each other and they're experts in their field.

02:46:22.000 Also, a lot of money being made here.

02:46:25.000 Yeah.

02:46:25.000 A lot of speaking fees being paid here.

02:46:27.000 And public repairs.

02:46:28.000 People are making money and so are the investment bankers and so are the capitalists who are owning these companies.

02:46:34.000 Stock markets have a huge party right now.

02:46:37.000 And it's having that party while the yield curve is inverted.

02:46:42.000 Long-term rates are lower than short-term rates.

02:46:44.000 That usually precedes a recession.

02:46:46.000 The housing market's about to have a bubble that's going to burst, and the dollar is slipping in value.

02:46:54.000 But yet the stock market's having a wild party, because M3, the liquidity's never been higher, the money's rolling, and the champagne is flowing.

02:47:02.000 And then they're going to have a hangover.

02:47:04.000 Well, go back and read the financial press of the 1920s.

02:47:07.000 It's about the same.

02:47:11.000 Okay, we have another caller up, John from Michigan.

02:47:14.000 John, here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:47:17.000 Okay, good afternoon, gentlemen.

02:47:18.000 Mr. Crosby, I've been listening to you all over the radio.

02:47:21.000 I'm trying to get you on the radio up here.

02:47:23.000 Well, just send me an email.

02:47:25.000 My email's easy.

02:47:26.000 It's jcorsey at worldnetdaily.com.

02:47:29.000 The links that say they're on worldnetdaily.com work and I get those emails and I read them.

02:47:35.000 jcorsey at worldnetdaily.com.

02:47:38.000 Okay, another thing.

02:47:40.000 This not only is going to bring all these And immigrants and cheap goods, but isn't there a plan to totally eliminate our Constitution and go to a world court system? 1.00

02:47:50.000 Well, of course.

02:47:50.000 I mean, that's the whole issue here.

02:47:52.000 We've already got NAFTA Chapter 11 tribunals, and those tribunals, which is an informal structure, not even any rules as to how they're to be conducted, they can hold, if an investor wants to sue a state or the federal government of the United States, because let's say an environmental law is detrimental to their business interest, They could win and the state or the federal law could be knocked down.

02:48:15.000 And they get millions of dollars in damages.

02:48:16.000 It already can happen.

02:48:18.000 Our laws can be overturned.

02:48:19.000 That's going to increase.

02:48:20.000 That's absolutely right.

02:48:21.000 John, I'm Michigan.

02:48:22.000 Thank you for the call.

02:48:22.000 We're coming up on a break, and we're talking with Dr. Jerome Corsi about this obscene North American Union, and we'll be back for the final segment after the break.

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02:51:38.000 Okay, we're back with the final segment on the Alex Jones Show.

02:51:53.000 This is Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones and we are once again talking to Dr. Jerome Corsi.

02:51:59.000 Dr. Corsi, before I take the next caller, I'd like to ask you exactly how does one get a hold of your book, Minute Men, The Battle to Secure America's Borders?

02:52:08.000 Thank you for asking.

02:52:09.000 It's available on Amazon.com.

02:52:12.000 If you'll just look up my name, C-O-R-S-I, Corsi, and I co-authored it with Jim Gilchrist And I'll soon be writing a book on the North American Union.

02:52:22.000 I'm trying to finish it by the end of December.

02:52:26.000 I'll finish it up in January.

02:52:28.000 You better hurry up before it's too late.

02:52:30.000 No, this stuff is going to be fought on for a good deal of time yet.

02:52:33.000 This is not going to go away quick.

02:52:35.000 Yeah, and that's why we have to be in this fight for a long, long time.

02:52:38.000 Okay, we've got Dave from Canada up.

02:52:41.000 Dave, are you there?

02:52:42.000 Bob, hello Mr. Corsi.

02:52:44.000 How's it going?

02:52:45.000 Good, thank you.

02:52:46.000 Excellent.

02:52:46.000 I have a question for both of you.

02:52:47.000 I think it was Bob that made the statement that the Chinese was the other partner with the NAFTA agreement.

02:52:54.000 Was that because North America was importing goods from China through Mexico?

02:52:58.000 Yeah, they're just the beneficiary of it all.

02:53:00.000 They didn't sign any agreement.

02:53:02.000 They're just using Mexico as a conduit to bring all their slave goods into the United States. 0.98

02:53:07.000 Okay, so it literally was shipping through Mexico into North America.

02:53:10.000 Right.

02:53:10.000 It's one of the ironies of things.

02:53:14.000 The signatories, of course, of NAFTA were the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

02:53:19.000 But having opened up the markets to free trade, and then the World Trade Organization opening things up with China, what happened is that even the jobs, the low-cost jobs in China started getting shipped to Mexico, as well as our manufacturing jobs.

02:53:35.000 And China just decided to start opening up Mexico as a transit port to get the containers in here cheaper rather than bringing them all in on the west coast and having to lug them across the United States with U.S.

02:53:48.000 labor costs and unions being involved.

02:53:51.000 Did Mexico have a tariff imposed on Chinese goods at the time?

02:53:55.000 Mexico itself has been reducing tariffs with China.

02:53:59.000 And Mexico's also swamped with Chinese goods.

02:54:02.000 They're complaining about this down in Mexico, too.

02:54:05.000 And Mexico's lost a huge number of jobs, manufacturing jobs, to China.

02:54:10.000 I mean, the maquiladoras, the sweatshop assembly plants in the 90s, at the height of NAFTA, employed about 3 million people.

02:54:19.000 Today, as best I can figure, they employ about 1 million people.

02:54:22.000 Two-thirds of those jobs have gone to China.

02:54:25.000 It's one of the reasons there's additional pressure from all the millions of Mexicans coming to the United States. 1.00

02:54:31.000 Even the NAFTA jobs have dried up in China.

02:54:34.000 NAFTA was a total lie.

02:54:36.000 NAFTA did not develop Mexico the way it was promised to develop Mexico.

02:54:42.000 It did not increase American exports nearly as much as we were promised.

02:54:47.000 What it did is it opened up the Walmart millionaires to be able to go and get cheap labor in China and send all our manufacturing jobs over there.

02:54:56.000 That's the reality.

02:54:58.000 Dave from Canada, I want to thank you very much for the call.

02:55:00.000 I've got one more caller.

02:55:01.000 We're in a hurry here now.

02:55:02.000 This is Bill from Kansas City.

02:55:04.000 Bill, you've got just a few seconds here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:55:06.000 What do you have to contribute?

02:55:08.000 Well, I'm just wondering if the people of this country who are citizens who are being affected by all of the legislation and the way that the government is selling all the waterways and roadways and things.

02:55:20.000 I wondered if any of the citizens of the United States realized this is basically the same government that treated the natives of this land that way to begin with.

02:55:32.000 Yeah, I guess so.

02:55:33.000 Well, the point is, rather than going back and settling things that happened 200 years ago or 150 years ago, I think we've got to deal with this problem right now.

02:55:45.000 This problem is going to increase.

02:55:47.000 And America you got to wake up to this.

02:55:48.000 are pretty soon going to be hearing the politicians talking about creating toll roads or selling roads, all of which are going to be owned by foreigners. 1.00

02:55:56.000 And America, you've got to wake up to this.

02:55:58.000 We're really just about out of time here on the Alex Jones Show.

02:56:02.000 This is Bob Dacey.

02:56:03.000 I want to remind you, if you want to learn about this, go to www.jbs.org and learn all about the American Union.

02:56:10.000 Because let me tell you something, you've got to do something about this.

02:56:12.000 It's not going away.

02:56:14.000 They're coming at us from all angles.

02:56:16.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

02:56:18.000 This is Bob Dacey.

02:56:18.000 Dr. Corsi, thank you for being here.

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