Alex Jones Show - 20070222_Thu_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:26.000 We first interviewed him almost three years ago, and he's been on the case for a lot longer than that.

00:00:34.000 Yesterday, at the end of the broadcast, my radio producer walked in with the Salt Lake City Tribune headline, Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.

00:00:43.000 Here is the Desert News headline, Nichols says bomb was FBI op.

00:00:49.000 We've known this from a massive mountain of confirmed evidence.

00:00:54.000 since just months after the horrible attack that killed 163 people back in 1995.

00:01:02.000 But now Jesse Trinidue, on the trail of who murdered his brother in federal prison, Kenneth Trinidue, and we have the horrible autopsy photos up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, has literally been spending much of his life on this case, a successful attorney and lawyer counselor has literally been spending much of his life on this case, a successful attorney And I just got in touch with him this morning after I learned of this last night.

00:01:29.000 I went on coast-to-coast AM and covered it.

00:01:32.000 And he joins us now for the next 30 minutes, and I hopefully will be able to line him up for an hour early next week so we can get into more detail.

00:01:42.000 He's given us some of the documents, the case.

00:01:44.000 Those are going up on InfoWars.com right now.

00:01:47.000 This is bombshell material.

00:01:50.000 Literally, maybe once a year will my heart start beating faster with the story.

00:01:55.000 That's happening right now.

00:01:57.000 So joining us is Jesse Trinidou.

00:02:00.000 Thank you so much for joining us, sir.

00:02:02.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:03.000 You, if I'm not mistaken, were the first one to broadcast this story back in 2004.

00:02:08.000 Well now it's really broken wide open thanks to your work.

00:02:10.000 We've got three minutes before break and we'll come back in detail at all, but just out of the gate, tell us in a nutshell about yourself, about your brother, how you got involved in this case, and now the prison interview you did with Larry Nichols, it's unbelievable.

00:02:25.000 Well basically my brother was killed a few months after the bombing.

00:02:31.000 He had Been convicted of a federal crime back in the late 70s, had done his time.

00:02:37.000 He was paroled in 1988.

00:02:39.000 He had a dispute with his probation officer about drinking beer.

00:02:43.000 We challenged that and lost.

00:02:45.000 A couple months after the bombing, my brother is driving across the border.

00:02:49.000 He lived in San Diego.

00:02:50.000 He'd been over visiting friends in Mexico.

00:02:52.000 He's arrested, supposedly, for parole violation.

00:02:56.000 At the time, we didn't understand that it didn't make sense.

00:03:00.000 We assumed that was what it was for.

00:03:03.000 In hindsight, now it's clear that wasn't the case because the judge who sentenced him was in San Diego, the crime was committed in San Diego, his probation officer was in San Diego, any parole hearing would have to be in San Diego.

00:03:17.000 So he was sent to Oklahoma City for some reason and was dead two days later and we never had A reason for it.

00:03:25.000 Now they claimed it was suicide, but he again had electrical burn marks, cuts, and bruises over his entire body.

00:03:32.000 It is truly grisly.

00:03:33.000 He was clearly tortured to death.

00:03:35.000 His throat was slashed.

00:03:38.000 In all while in federal custody.

00:03:41.000 And the government said they tried to have his body cremated before we saw him, and then finally We get him home, but we never had a motive, and that was difficult to say to people why the FBI especially would have killed him and tortured him.

00:03:57.000 Now we're going to get to that later, but in the process of your investigation, you've now got the documents, the affidavit has been sealed, so you can't talk about certain names, but before it got sealed by the feds in a desperate attempt to block this evidence from coming out, we do have the names, we do have the information because you were able to tell Uh, different news reporters about this, in particular the Desert News, Desiree News, before that happened.

00:04:24.000 So we're going to go over this after the break, but I want to get into how you got in contact with Larry Nichols, why he's now gone public, and by the way, his story fits exactly with what the FBI, police investigators, and many others have brought forward in the What, 11 plus years since the OKC bombing in 1995?

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00:08:04.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:07.000 It is the 22nd day of February, Thursday, 2014.

00:08:20.000 One of the most important broadcasts I've ever done.

00:08:24.000 It was almost three years ago that I interviewed Jesse Trinidou, his brother Kenneth Trinidou, was murdered.

00:08:30.000 That's how this lawyer got on the case.

00:08:33.000 And my God, does it fit him with all the other evidence we have.

00:08:36.000 Unfortunately, it shows that the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow building was an inside job.

00:08:42.000 Here's the headline out of the Desert News.

00:08:45.000 And, uh, before the filing was sealed, the reporters were able to see it.

00:08:49.000 Now, uh, our guest is unable to specifically talk about the filing.

00:08:54.000 And, uh, the most shocking allegation, the 19-page signed declaration by Nichols, assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instructions from...

00:09:08.000 Former FBI official Larry Potts, who helped run the Ruby Ridge debacle, very senior, personal friends, very high level with the then FBI director.

00:09:19.000 McVeigh also said he was part of a secret military assassins team who've been recruited out of the military.

00:09:25.000 That's exactly the MO we have from state police, local police, detectives, and FBI.

00:09:30.000 This is absolutely off the charts, incredible.

00:09:33.000 And guess who got in and got this affidavit?

00:09:35.000 It is the man we're speaking to right now, Jesse Trinidou, got in to see Larry Nichols, and that is a saga in and of itself.

00:09:44.000 Let's walk through it, pleaser.

00:09:47.000 Basically, I didn't start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:09:51.000 I started out to find out who killed my brother and why.

00:09:55.000 It all started in the Probably December of 95 or January of 96 and I got an anonymous call.

00:10:02.000 The caller said that my brother had been killed by the FBI, that it was a case of mistaken identity, that it was an interrogation that got out of hand, that my brother fit the profile, the caller said.

00:10:13.000 Of a group who were robbing banks and to fund the tax, get the money to fund the tax on the federal government.

00:10:19.000 So somebody had a conscience and called you?

00:10:21.000 Called me.

00:10:22.000 And of course I dismissed it.

00:10:24.000 I thought it was far-fetched, unbelievable.

00:10:27.000 And then about six months later I read a story in the Los Angeles Times about a man named Richard Lee Guthrie who was found hanging in his cell while in federal custody.

00:10:36.000 He was supposed to give a tell-all interview the next day before he died.

00:10:42.000 About the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:10:44.000 He was a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang.

00:10:47.000 And the story said he had robbed banks to get money to attack the federal government.

00:10:52.000 And they didn't have a photograph of Guthrie, though, just the story.

00:10:55.000 And then shortly before he was executed, I received a message from Timothy McVeigh, who told me that when he saw my brother's photograph and heard what happened to him, he knew that the FBI killed my brother because they mistook him for Richard Lee Guthrie.

00:11:08.000 And Guthrie, I believe, was John Doe, too.

00:11:12.000 In the description for John Doe II, when my brother was picked up, was white male, 5'9", powerful upper body build, dark complected, believed to be in Canada or Mexico, driving mid-1980s Chevrolet pickup, dragon tattoo left forearm.

00:11:28.000 My brother comes across the border in San Diego in his friend's 1986 Chevrolet pickup, Five foot nine, powerful upper body build, dark complected, dragon tattooed left forearm.

00:11:39.000 The only other person I know of with that description was Richard Lee Guthrie.

00:11:42.000 So they clearly killed your brother and Guthrie in prison with the same classic hanging?

00:11:48.000 Hanging.

00:11:51.000 Unbelievable.

00:11:53.000 Please continue.

00:11:54.000 Well, as I said, it was difficult.

00:11:57.000 To convince people my brother had been murdered, because no one likes to think the government of the United States does those kind of things.

00:12:03.000 But we have the autopsy photos, please describe those.

00:12:06.000 Well, he was head was smashed to the skull in three places, his throat was slashed, a stun gun burns all over his body, even the soles of his feet are bruised from being beaten.

00:12:16.000 He was beaten head to toe, front to back, tortured extensively, and then he was, we now know, was strangled with a pair of plastic handcuffs after they'd beaten him to a pulp.

00:12:26.000 And obviously he couldn't tell him anything because he didn't know anything.

00:12:30.000 But that started me on the quest to, like I said, I didn't start off to solve the bombing.

00:12:35.000 I started off to find the men who killed my brother.

00:12:38.000 But every trail has taken me back to the bombing.

00:12:41.000 And that's when I filed that lawsuit here in federal court in Utah, asking the judge to order the FBI To produce all documents related to a failed sting operation they were running in a white supremacist paramilitary training camp in eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City and that led to the bombing.

00:13:03.000 It got out of hand.

00:13:06.000 Let's walk through how you were able to get in touch with Nichols, how he tried to contact John Ashcroft, how the media was then blocked from ever being able to reach him, how you were able to get in and what Larry Nichols told you.

00:13:19.000 Well, Terry Nichols reached out to me.

00:13:22.000 Apparently, before he contacted me several years ago, he had written to Attorney General Ashcroft, volunteering to tell everything he knew about the bombing and the others involved.

00:13:32.000 Not only did no one from Attorney General Ashcroft's office follow up with Nichols, they actually issued, apparently, an order barring him from all contact with the media.

00:13:44.000 It was thereafter that he reached out to me, and I was able to get in to see him.

00:13:47.000 I spent a day and a half with him.

00:13:49.000 Describe how he reached out, what you had to go through to be able to meet with him, and what happened in that hour and a half meeting.

00:13:54.000 It was a day and a half.

00:13:55.000 Day and a half, excuse me.

00:13:58.000 Basically, I was able to come in under the radar.

00:14:00.000 I'm sure that if I'd known why I was there, I would never have gotten in.

00:14:04.000 But you're a lawyer, you're a counselor, that probably helped you.

00:14:07.000 I'm sure it did, but the real story is that this man apparently wants to tell his story.

00:14:12.000 Now, I can't assure your audiences that what he says is true.

00:14:18.000 You, sir, have more knowledge about the... I mean, you're relating things about the history of the bombing case that I wasn't aware of.

00:14:24.000 So, you apparently have studied this a long time and know a lot about it, a lot more than I do.

00:14:30.000 Well, I made my first film about it in 1997, but I've just interviewed literally hundreds of experts.

00:14:36.000 on the subject.

00:14:38.000 Now, I know they've sealed this, but we can talk about what the press has reported and any other facets you feel comfortable in getting into.

00:14:44.000 What did Larry Nichols tell you?

00:14:46.000 What's in the affidavit?

00:14:49.000 That I don't feel comfortable talking about, but this I can tell you what is already out there in the public record as a result of this lawsuit that led me to go see Mr. Nichols.

00:14:59.000 Sure.

00:15:02.000 When you sue under the Freedom of Information Act, For documents, government documents, there are two exemptions that are bulletproof that you cannot get around, that you will not get the documents.

00:15:13.000 National security and... No, that's actually three.

00:15:16.000 The other two are if there's an ongoing criminal investigation or if the government has promised anonymity or confidentiality to informants.

00:15:29.000 I was fearful that the FBI would come back and say they had reopened the investigation, in which case I would have gotten nothing.

00:15:36.000 Instead, they came back and told the federal judge that they had promised confidentiality to four informants and please not to turn over any documents.

00:15:45.000 Well, the judge said he would allow them to black the names out.

00:15:49.000 But to turn the documents over.

00:15:50.000 And the documents show that the FBI's informants were robbing banks and armored cars with Tim McVeigh to get the money to construct the bomb.

00:16:00.000 And that one of the four informants was actually the explosives instructor who taught them how to make the bomb.

00:16:07.000 Now to be specific here, this could be creating the history, the ledger, and this is what McVeigh said, they were staging fake robberies to create the illusion that it was an organic domestic group that was going to carry out the attacks.

00:16:19.000 Classic black ops, where they go out and engage in criminal activities as a smokescreen. 0.93

00:16:26.000 That's basically what some of the things that Nichols said.

00:16:31.000 Sure.

00:16:32.000 Classic black op, gladio type op.

00:16:36.000 Please continue.

00:16:38.000 The, as I said, the documents are, it's not me making this up, the documents show that at least as recently as two days before the bombing, that they actually called Elohim City asking for help, and this was reported by one of the informants, that four months before the bombing, another informant had not only reported the plan, but had said that they had actually scouted the target.

00:17:04.000 Well, Hal was one of the informants earlier, and she tried to warn them, and then they tried to arrest her and charge her, telling her to shut up.

00:17:11.000 They did prosecute her, but she wasn't convicted.

00:17:14.000 Yes.

00:17:14.000 I understand.

00:17:16.000 Please continue.

00:17:17.000 And, uh, so many of these things have, uh, I would not have gotten where I am today on this, but for people have, and I don't know who's, who has done it, had leaked me copies of, uh, records.

00:17:29.000 There's a lot of feds that don't like killing kids in a, in a daycare. 1.00

00:17:32.000 They're not going to put up with it.

00:17:35.000 And that made my case in front of the federal judges.

00:17:38.000 I had, unknown to the FBI, I had two copies, two documents already about this operation.

00:17:45.000 And so when I asked for the records, they came back, the FBI did, and reported to the judge that there were no such documents.

00:17:53.000 And then I filed those two copies, and then the FBI came back and said that they were fake, and I had an affidavit from an FBI agent who said they were real.

00:18:01.000 And with that, the judge lost all patience with the FBI.

00:18:04.000 They had no credibility with him.

00:18:06.000 And then later, didn't it turn out that similar documents and some of the same documents had been released before, but without some of the names blacked out, and then that proved they were real?

00:18:15.000 Yes.

00:18:16.000 Yes, they found a way out through another source, apparently.

00:18:20.000 They've never denied the documents.

00:18:20.000 Which confirms it.

00:18:23.000 They now concede they're... And when they were ordered to produce them, to do a manual search, they came back and produced about 100 pages of them.

00:18:32.000 Where does it go from here?

00:18:33.000 I mean, where does your suit go?

00:18:34.000 How much danger is Nichols in?

00:18:38.000 Quite honestly, I'm afraid, I'm surprised he's still alive.

00:18:43.000 Not only is my brother dead, Guthrie dead, I had an eyewitness to my brother's murder and he was found hanging in his cell too.

00:18:52.000 People have a habit of dying off in this case.

00:18:56.000 But I guess you've got a Serious beefs.

00:19:00.000 You're way past Karen.

00:19:01.000 They murdered your brother.

00:19:03.000 That, and I was smart enough to not keep anything a secret.

00:19:07.000 That as soon as I, and I'm thankful to your show and others like you, sir, that the story get out there because to me that was my best insurance policy.

00:19:17.000 Oh, my heart was beating this morning just to get you on for my safety.

00:19:21.000 I mean, I know you cannot keep this type of stuff secret.

00:19:24.000 You got to get it out immediately.

00:19:25.000 That's your insurance policy.

00:19:28.000 And I was surprised how quickly they were able to get everything sealed.

00:19:33.000 Final segment with you, sir, after this quick break.

00:19:36.000 Other key facets we'll walk through and delineate here with our guest, attorney-at-law Jesse Trinidou, whose brother was brutally tortured to death, Kenneth Trinidou.

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00:24:27.000 In the five minutes we've got left, Jesse Trinidou...

00:24:31.000 Where is your case going now?

00:24:32.000 What's going to happen with this 19-page affidavit that has been filed?

00:24:38.000 And what are some of the materials you sent us today that we posted on InfoWars.com?

00:24:42.000 Well, first of all, again, Mr. Jones, I want to thank you for, may have been the first, I think you were the first person to report this story back in 2004 and didn't say it was crazy.

00:24:55.000 What I filed that affidavit for was to get an order from the judge to allow me to take the deposition of Terry Nichols and to videotape that deposition.

00:25:04.000 That's the only way his story will ever get out there.

00:25:06.000 Good Lord, you have a video?

00:25:08.000 No, I said that's to get an order to allow that to happen.

00:25:10.000 Oh yeah, okay.

00:25:11.000 To order the government to produce him and let me take that deposition and videotape that deposition.

00:25:16.000 You cannot tell that whole story in a declaration.

00:25:20.000 He's made that very clear to me.

00:25:22.000 I know you'd like to be able to tell us what you learned in a day and a half of interview with him.

00:25:28.000 The more important things are the documents that were attached to that affidavit that were sealed too.

00:25:34.000 Most of them were from the FBI and some were from Tim McVeigh's defense team outlining exactly what happened.

00:25:44.000 So the defense team knew?

00:25:45.000 Yes.

00:25:46.000 But Steven Jones didn't bring that out?

00:25:48.000 I don't think they were allowed to bring it out.

00:25:50.000 If I recall correctly, and I wasn't paying attention to the trial, that the judges would not allow any evidence of other people being involved.

00:25:56.000 Well, bottom line, Nichols and yourself were in grave danger while this is sealed, and I know you can't violate this federal proceeding in a seal order, but, I mean, these documents, you just said it, the defense detailing inside job, did the federal documents detail that?

00:26:16.000 I read them that way.

00:26:18.000 I read them as others involved.

00:26:24.000 Bottom line, your educated inside view of this, off the cuff, why do you think the government was involved orchestrating this?

00:26:34.000 I don't know if they intended it.

00:26:36.000 I think my feeling is that the FBI had Fumbled the ball so badly at Waco and Ruby Ridge that I do remember this, that they were under constant pressure and criticism from Congress and from the media and from the public.

00:26:50.000 The ATF was close to being disbanded.

00:26:53.000 I think they put together this harebrained idea at Elohim City to lure in all these militia groups under the pretense of teaching them how to rob banks and armored cars and attack the federal government.

00:27:04.000 And I think they planned to catch them in the act.

00:27:06.000 I don't, for a moment, think they intended The bombings take place?

00:27:12.000 Well, that's what the BATF tried to leak and claim.

00:27:15.000 The same thing every time they get caught in England with British Intel carrying out attacks, they always claim they just missed it.

00:27:22.000 And let me tell you, sir, I've studied this.

00:27:26.000 They may tell some of their BATF that showed up in bomb gear a minute after the bomb went off, but for the insiders, they meant to bomb it the whole time.

00:27:33.000 You know, that building was blown from the inside out.

00:27:37.000 I'm not an explosive instructor, but my personal view is that it got away from him.

00:27:45.000 Well, either way, they're culpable.

00:27:46.000 Oh, yes.

00:27:47.000 I mean, you can't.

00:27:48.000 To me, I think you stepped way over the line when your informants are robbing banks and armored cars.

00:27:54.000 Well, did you see the report out of the Orlando Sentinel where the Nazi rally was led and organized by an FBI informant?

00:28:01.000 I read that report.

00:28:03.000 I mean, I've seen this a hundred times.

00:28:04.000 In fact, I've never really seen a big case where it isn't the Feds running it.

00:28:10.000 Well, my experience, at least in this case, has been whenever you have three people who get together to criticize the federal government, two of them will be informants.

00:28:18.000 Absolutely.

00:28:19.000 We've got about a minute and a half left.

00:28:21.000 Any other key points you'd like to add, sir?

00:28:23.000 Other than that they've not denied it.

00:28:25.000 I mean, the accusations I made against the FBI are that they set up this operation, that they had informants who robbed banks with McVeigh to fund the attack, that they had an informant who was the explosive instructor and taught them how to make the bomb, and they got away from them.

00:28:40.000 They have not once denied those accusations.

00:28:43.000 They have just begged this federal judge not to order the release of the documents.

00:28:47.000 Now, clearly, if I made those accusations against you, wouldn't you have denied them?

00:28:52.000 Absolutely.

00:28:53.000 Then we have Danny Colson who claimed he got up there in just an hour or so from Dallas by car with the hotel receipt that he was there the night before.

00:29:02.000 One other thing I might add is it's my understanding that the BBC is going to run an hour special on the bombing and perhaps the government's involvement.

00:29:11.000 It's going to be a total whitewash.

00:29:12.000 I was in the 9-11 piece last week.

00:29:15.000 I didn't see it.

00:29:15.000 I don't know.

00:29:17.000 I haven't seen it yet.

00:29:20.000 It's supposed to be the 4th of March.

00:29:23.000 Okay, we got 20 seconds left.

00:29:25.000 Any other points, sir?

00:29:26.000 Other than I expect a hell of a fight from the Department of Justice over that deposition.

00:29:30.000 Trying to keep it sealed indefinitely?

00:29:32.000 Well, not let it happen.

00:29:34.000 Not let me be able to take Nichols' complete statement.

00:29:37.000 What's the time frame on getting that statement?

00:29:40.000 Whenever the judge hears the case and orders.

00:29:43.000 And rules on the motion.

00:29:45.000 Thank you so much for your courage, Jesse Koenig.

00:29:47.000 Let me talk to you for one minute off air.

00:29:49.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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00:32:59.000 To paraphrase that passage in the Bible, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

00:33:21.000 You throw something into the deepest depths of the ocean, it will one day be tossed back onto the shore.

00:33:29.000 Again, I just think about my job, what I do.

00:33:32.000 This morning as I was scrambling, setting up this guest, and reading news articles, and going back and doing research, refreshing my memory.

00:33:43.000 I just literally almost hit my knees and thank God that I'm in this position.

00:33:48.000 I never thought that I would be a radio broadcaster internationally.

00:33:54.000 I never thought I'd be a newshound. 0.98

00:33:55.000 I never thought I'd be doing what those old gumshoes did long ago, what the straw hat reporters did. 1.00

00:34:02.000 And here we are, 21st century, frontline muckrakers engaging the New World Order at point-blank range. 0.76

00:34:14.000 It's scary too to do what we do because we're going toe-to-toe with these guys.

00:34:18.000 We're going against them 110% to bring them down.

00:34:21.000 I would have been all over this story and been on the phone with Trinidou yesterday and I would have had Trinidou on coast-to-coast AM with me last night.

00:34:28.000 I didn't even think to call coast-to-coast AM to get on the show.

00:34:31.000 I didn't think to even call Trinidu, even though he was in the article, and I broke the story, as you heard him say, because I was too busy down at the law office filing lawsuits on someone, which makes me even madder at them for the lies they put out, and I have to spend all this money to get my good name back!

00:34:51.000 Excuse me.

00:34:51.000 me so excuse me It just makes me angry!

00:34:59.000 Because my time is so precious!

00:35:02.000 I am so frustrated because there's so many things that I need to do.

00:35:06.000 So many things we need to get done.

00:35:12.000 Alright.

00:35:12.000 Don't want to explode here on air.

00:35:18.000 There is so much happening, so much going on.

00:35:21.000 We've got Kevin Barrett in studio.

00:35:24.000 The Wisconsin professor who's been all over national, international television exposing 9-11.

00:35:29.000 And then I don't even know now if I want to have that Cliff Kincaid, neocon, conservative clothing on in the third hour, but I've got him coming on just so you can hear the type of stuff these people put out.

00:35:48.000 So that's coming up.

00:35:52.000 And there is just so much going on.

00:35:54.000 I don't even know what to say.

00:35:57.000 Let me just read over these articles now to give you some more background on Oklahoma City, because this is a direct line into 9-11.

00:36:06.000 Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.

00:36:14.000 Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official apparently was directing Timothy McVeigh and the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack according to a new affidavit filed in U.S.

00:36:30.000 District Court in Utah.

00:36:32.000 The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma.

00:36:41.000 Nichols claims in the February 9th lawsuit.

00:36:45.000 Affidavit for the lawsuit.

00:36:46.000 And let me just add, I was talking to Jesse Trinidad during that three minute break, and he added some more points.

00:36:53.000 He said that he was out of time, he had to go to court, but that he never has been called a kook, never been called a liar, never been demonized by the FBI.

00:37:02.000 They're just desperately trying to ignore him.

00:37:05.000 Well, the ignoring him is over.

00:37:08.000 The ignoring him is over.

00:37:11.000 The official and other conspiracists are being protected by the federal government.

00:37:16.000 Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, to protect the informants, such as social security numbers and dates of birth.

00:37:25.000 The U.S.

00:37:26.000 Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations.

00:37:29.000 The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C.

00:37:31.000 also declined comment.

00:37:32.000 Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.

00:37:40.000 The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City Attorney Jesse Trinidou, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:37:51.000 The lawsuit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the Federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trinidou for a bombing conspiracy And that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.

00:38:06.000 No, that's not what he says.

00:38:08.000 FBI went in and killed him and tortured him to death.

00:38:11.000 Trinidad's death a few months after the April 19th, 1995 bombing was ruled a suicide after several investigations.

00:38:16.000 The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing of the death.

00:38:20.000 Why didn't they publish the photos?

00:38:21.000 I know for a fact Trinidad gave him the photos.

00:38:24.000 They're up on InfoWars.com.

00:38:26.000 He's got the double point shock Wounds all over his body, under his arms, of course we don't post these, but genitals, feet, huge, what looked like electrical burns where the prods weren't working, so they just hooked something up to a wall outlet, slit his throat, beat his whole head in, just, I mean, this guy's purple from end to end.

00:38:50.000 In the app to David Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack at the Alfred B. Murrah building.

00:38:59.000 Which took 168 lives.

00:39:01.000 He alleges that he wrote then Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help him identify all parties who played a role in the bombing, but never got a reply.

00:39:12.000 Nichols, serving a life sentence at the U.S.

00:39:15.000 Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colorado.

00:39:19.000 McVeigh, who carried out the bombing, was executed in 2001.

00:39:22.000 McVeigh and Nichols were the only defendants indicted in the bombing.

00:39:26.000 However, Nichols alleges others were involved.

00:39:29.000 McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols.

00:39:35.000 He says he learned sometime in 1995 that there had been a change in the bomb target, and it was going to be Nebraska, Omaha, Dallas, they were looking at different places, that there had been a change in the bombing target and that McVeigh was very upset by that.

00:39:50.000 There, in what I believe was an actual slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh and the bomb plot, Nichols says in the affidavit.

00:39:59.000 So again, two newspapers have seen this, now they shield it.

00:40:02.000 Too late!

00:40:09.000 Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer of weapons and explosives.

00:40:18.000 He later learned that the robbery was staged, so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.

00:40:27.000 He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a protected witness, and there's federal documents.

00:40:35.000 Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

00:40:40.000 Again, they did the research Tuesday.

00:40:41.000 This came out yesterday morning, Wednesday.

00:40:43.000 It's now Thursday.

00:40:44.000 In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb.

00:40:48.000 The evidence that he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and displayed a level of expertise and sophistication that neither man had.

00:40:59.000 There's a lot more than what this article put.

00:41:02.000 You just heard the lawyer who's got the affidavit filed and did the day and a half of interviews with him.

00:41:09.000 Now let's read the DesertNews.com story.

00:41:13.000 All these are up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com with a whole bunch of pages of documents, federal documents, for the first time being posted at InfoWars.com right now.

00:41:26.000 In fact, I'm told they've been up for 30 minutes.

00:41:31.000 Man.

00:41:32.000 Nichols says bombing was FBI op.

00:41:35.000 Boy, that's an interesting headline out of a mainstream newspaper.

00:41:38.000 Detailed confession filed in Salt Lake about Oklahoma City plot.

00:41:45.000 The only surviving convicted criminal in the April 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City is saying his co-conspirator, Timothy McVeigh, told him he was taking orders from a top FBI official and orchestrating the bombing.

00:42:03.000 Let me say that again.

00:42:05.000 ...him that he was taking orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.

00:42:11.000 A declaration from Terry Lynn Nichols filed in U.S.

00:42:14.000 District Court in Salt Lake City has proven to be one of the most detailed confessions by Nichols to date about his involvement in the bombing as well as the involvement of others.

00:42:23.000 The declaration was filed as part of a Salt Lake City attorney, Jesse Trinidou's pending wrongful death suit against the government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections facility in Oklahoma City.

00:42:35.000 Trinidou claims his brother was killed during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

00:42:44.000 The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts of Ruby Ridge fame.

00:43:06.000 Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent in Ruby Ridge in 92, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver.

00:43:19.000 Potts also reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 93, which resulted in the fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.

00:43:30.000 He's now a former FBI agent, by the way.

00:43:33.000 He was an FBI agent, former retired, post-retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver Cabin at Ruby Ridge.

00:43:43.000 When contacted, the FBI's main office in D.C.

00:43:45.000 said it would not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday.

00:43:49.000 Nichols claims that in December 1992, McVeigh told him that while he was serving in the U.S.

00:43:54.000 Army, he'd been recruited to carry out undercover missions for the Secret Assassination Squad.

00:44:00.000 What did I tell you, folks?

00:44:02.000 Men formerly associated with Special Forces.

00:44:06.000 In the next few years, I've had these guys following me and, you know, even threaten me.

00:44:11.000 Hey man, I'm an American defending the Republic. 0.96

00:44:13.000 You do whatever you need to, criminals. 0.89

00:44:15.000 And you'll see what they'll do to you later.

00:44:18.000 In the next few years, the two men hatched a bombing plot in October 94.

00:44:22.000 You think it's manly to kill people, don't you? 0.99

00:44:24.000 Kill good people. 1.00

00:44:27.000 You tell me you got God to deal with, punks. 0.99

00:44:30.000 In the next few years, the two men hatched a bombing plot.

00:44:33.000 In October 1994, McVeigh and I stole explosives from a quarry in Marion, Kansas, consisting of 8.5 cases of boxes containing 229 2.5-inch sticks of gel-type explosive known as Tovex.

00:44:48.000 Again, they told everybody it was fuel oil.

00:44:50.000 Ha ha ha!

00:44:51.000 Nichols wrote, adding that only a small amount was used in the actual bombing.

00:44:55.000 It was while traveling the gun show circuit that Nichols claims the two obtained bomb-making knowledge and materials used in the bombing.

00:45:02.000 And of course that was an FBI informant teaching them for the diversionary bomb.

00:45:05.000 There were bombs inside.

00:45:07.000 One example is that McVeigh allegedly...

00:45:11.000 Attended a gun show in Knob Creek, Kentucky in 93.

00:45:15.000 At this gun show, McVeigh had the opportunity to make contact with about 20 people who were bomb experts.

00:45:19.000 McVeigh told me that he himself had no knowledge about how to construct a bomb, but that he always wanted to gain more knowledge about how to conduct bombs.

00:45:26.000 He struck bombs, Nichols stated.

00:45:28.000 Nichols says he knew McVeigh was building the bomb in November 1994.

00:45:32.000 He left for the Philippines to get away from the area to avoid being implicated.

00:45:36.000 I did not want to be present when McVeigh did explode a bomb.

00:45:38.000 Consequently, I left for the Philippines to be out of the country, he wrote.

00:45:41.000 This is basically the newspaper whitewash of all this, folks.

00:45:45.000 Now, the statement contradicts findings by Congressman Denna Rohrabacher, who studied the bombing and has made public last year it indicated nickels had traveled to the Philippines to receive bomb training from impossible foreign terrorists. 0.63

00:45:56.000 Yeah, that's the Republican fallback.

00:45:58.000 They had Iraqi Republican Guard clearly involved.

00:46:01.000 This is how black ops work, folks.

00:46:03.000 You got white supremacists, you got militias, you got sheet-dipped Special Forces McVeigh, you've got bank robbers running around.

00:46:10.000 But you've got Arabs at the scene and those videotapes have been sealed, but I've interviewed the police and others and FBI's on record saying they saw the sealed surveillance tapes showing the Arabs.

00:46:21.000 So then it gets so confusing, you're like, did the mob kill JFK?

00:46:25.000 Did the military?

00:46:26.000 Did the Cubans? 0.81

00:46:28.000 No, they're all involved.

00:46:29.000 That's how black ops work. 0.59

00:46:31.000 You have different levels of deniability.

00:46:35.000 Then you got bombs inside that Jane Graham, who was the head of HUD, was going through one of the maintenance sides to get up quicker.

00:46:42.000 She was late to work, and she saw guys drilling the columns, planting large sticks of gray butter the day before.

00:46:52.000 After hearing about the bombing of the Federal Building, which killed 168 adults and children, Nichols said he panicked when his name came up on the radio and he wanted to turn himself in, but not before hiding evidence, including explosives, using the bombing.

00:47:04.000 The claims made in the declaration have added yet more twist to the mystery surrounding the bombing.

00:47:08.000 Some familiar with the bombing's history, St.

00:47:10.000 Nichols' claims seem to indicate the FBI put McVeigh up to the plot as a draw for radicals, but that the situation got out of control and McVeigh became a runaway informant.

00:47:20.000 That is not what happened.

00:47:21.000 That's their fallback story.

00:47:22.000 It always is.

00:47:23.000 I mean, how many of those British bombings, oh, we didn't stop it in time.

00:47:28.000 Then you turn out the guy cooking the bombs, British intel.

00:47:31.000 The guy driving it's British intel.

00:47:34.000 We've had those men on the show, by the way.

00:47:37.000 After reviewing the declaration, Rohrabacher told the Desert Warning News that Nichols' claims should be investigated, but a tree with extreme skepticism.

00:47:45.000 I need to caution people to remember that Terry Nichols is a mass murderer.

00:47:48.000 Of course, Rohrabacher, a month ago, was on CNN going, there's a conspiracy, a cover-up of Oklahoma!

00:47:53.000 Clinton, Clinton! 0.98

00:47:54.000 Clearly, Clinton was involved.

00:47:56.000 But this goes deeper to the black-op government. 0.64

00:47:59.000 Ruby Ridge was planned under George Bush Sr.

00:48:01.000 George Bush Sr.

00:48:02.000 brought in the nearly 3,000 Iraqis.

00:48:04.000 Clinton brought in almost 2,000 more.

00:48:08.000 They were trained here by the CIA in the 80s, brought back in at the end of Desert Storm.

00:48:14.000 Source, Washington Post, LA Times, Social Press.

00:48:19.000 Then there's stuff like this, WorldNet Daily.

00:48:22.000 Was FBI early arrival in Oklahoma City?

00:48:25.000 Hotel receipts show top terror man showed up nine hours before blast.

00:48:30.000 Danny Colson was in the DFW of Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex area and he said that oh he couldn't get on the Southwest Airlines in time to fly up there so he drove and got there in a record two hours but then people reported he was there in less than an hour after the bombing.

00:48:46.000 Now that's on record.

00:48:47.000 Then it turns out he checked into a hotel Nine hours before the blast, the FBI's top counter-terrorism agent checked into an Oklahoma City hotel nearly nine hours before a truck bomb nearly leveled the Alpha P Murrah building, according to a receipt obtained by WorldNet Daily, despite claims that he was in Texas the morning of the attack.

00:49:14.000 The Embassy Suites Hotel Danny Colson, then director of the FBI's Terrorism Task Force, founding commander of the Bureau's Hostage Rescue Team, was dated April 19, 1995 with a check-in time of 0.20 or 1220 AM.

00:49:25.000 check-in time of 0.20 or 12.20 a.m.

00:49:31.000 Military time for 12.20 a.m.

00:49:33.000 His last name is spelled Colson on the receipt, but it indicates he is with the FBI located at 50 Penn Place.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, they misspelled on purpose.

00:49:46.000 The truck bomb exploded at 9.03 a.m., devastating half the building and killing 168 men, women, and children.

00:49:52.000 According to the receipt, Colson checked out of his hotel room at 4.06 April 27th at 11.16 a.m.

00:50:00.000 Now get ready for this.

00:50:01.000 They now have spun it and admit it.

00:50:03.000 The existence of the receipt and subsequent questions it raises surrounding the F.B.I.' 's official denial of prior knowledge of the O.K.C.

00:50:08.000 bombing was first reported by J.D.

00:50:10.000 Cash of the McMurton Oklahoma Daily Gazette, a small town paper that has been out front in the stories and O.K.C.

00:50:17.000 related reports.

00:50:18.000 Since the bombing, listen to this, officials at the Department of Justice have repeatedly assured victims that the F.B.I.

00:50:23.000 had no prior knowledge of any plot to bomb the Murrah Building.

00:50:27.000 My paper said Wednesday, however, evidence of Colson's clandestine trip fits squarely with substantial bodies of details found in hundreds of pages of other official documents obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests.

00:50:39.000 The paper is evidence revealing weeks of planning by an elite corps of drug and counter-terrorism experts who were closely monitoring members of various far-right groups that considered religious extremists and threats to the safety and security of our nation.

00:50:51.000 So there's their spin.

00:50:53.000 They were shadowing them, yes.

00:50:55.000 And helping them rob banks, too.

00:50:58.000 It's here, after a year in production and traveling to distant lands.

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00:53:59.000 Coming up in studio, Kevin Barrett out there fighting the new world order Kevin Barrett out there fighting the new world order toe-to-toe, exposing the inside job that is 9-11.

00:54:21.000 His new book, 9-11 in American Empire, Christians, Jews, and Muslims speak out.

00:54:25.000 Thank you.

00:54:26.000 Thank you.

00:54:28.000 Before we end this hour, I do want to remind all of you that I'm a documentary filmmaker.

00:54:34.000 And my film, Road to Tyranny, was the first film out on 9-11.

00:54:39.000 I put out an emergency version of it that was only available for a few months.

00:54:43.000 Two weeks after 9-11, which was just a presentation with video clips, then three months later, in early 2002, I released the three-hour film, which right under three hours, 45 minutes of 9-11 The Road to Tyranny is the definitive documentary on Oklahoma City alone.

00:55:03.000 Surveillance tape of the Iraqi Republican Guard hired by the CIA, brought in by George Bush Sr.

00:55:11.000 In case locals caught them, they were going to claim Arabs did it.

00:55:14.000 And I've interviewed the police, the state police.

00:55:16.000 They even arrested them.

00:55:17.000 They had bomb-making materials, the blue jogging suits.

00:55:21.000 They had the surveillance videos from the surrounding areas.

00:55:24.000 I had police surveillance.

00:55:25.000 They shot in the weeks before.

00:55:27.000 You also had white supremacists involved.

00:55:29.000 All these groups, so they could blame different groups for it later.

00:55:33.000 But it was entirely a government bombing with a diversionary provocateur truck bomb outside with explosives inside blowing the building out.

00:55:41.000 General Benton K. Parton's in the film.

00:55:43.000 All the clips, all the documentation, the newscast where they're reporting unexploded bombs and they're removing the bombs.

00:55:49.000 Governor Keating breaking it down.

00:55:51.000 You need to get road to tyranny just for the 45 minutes of the almost three hours.

00:55:59.000 We start the film with a history of government-sponsored terror.

00:56:01.000 We then go into Oklahoma City.

00:56:02.000 We, of course, go into the attack in 1993 where the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the drivers, provocateur-ed the whole incident with the attack there.

00:56:12.000 And then of course we go into 9-11 where they can't count on provocateurs anymore or patsies. 0.52

00:56:17.000 They just totally staged the event themselves and we walk through that and then show you why they wanted to do it, the police state and the wars they wanted to start.

00:56:24.000 And we said in the film in 2002 they're going to invade Iraq and they're going to invade other countries, Iran, Syria, because we went off the PNAC, documents themselves.

00:56:33.000 Early 2002, it is a testament.

00:56:35.000 The film just gets better with time, more and more accurate with time as things flesh out.

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00:56:44.000 It's over three hours with the extras.

00:56:46.000 But the film is close to three hours and it's got about, what, 30 minutes of extras at the end that I did.

00:56:53.000 Because it's more of a second edition later in 2002.

00:56:55.000 There's only been three editions of it, but that's the final edition of Road to Tyranny.

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00:58:36.000 Second hour, 70 seconds away with Kevin Barry.

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00:58:45.000 What?

00:58:46.000 Big Brother.

00:58:46.000 Mainstream media.

00:58:47.000 Government cover-ups.

00:58:48.000 You want answers?

00:58:53.000 Big Brother.

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00:58:59.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:01.000 You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:17.000 We're going to be opening the phones up in this hour for your calls.

00:59:20.000 Our welcome to be on government-sponsored terror.

00:59:22.000 You can talk about how our loving criminal government staged attacks on Iran in 1953, now declassified, to overthrow democratically elected Mohamed Mozadek. 0.89

00:59:32.000 We can discuss 9-11.

00:59:33.000 We can discuss the first World Trade Center bombing.

00:59:35.000 Huge Oklahoma City news breaking We've got Kevin Barrett in the studio.

00:59:39.000 I've interviewed him several times over the phone, but he's here in Austin for a speaking engagement, talking about his new book, 9-11, American Empire, Christian Jews and Muslims Speak Out.

00:59:48.000 We have links to his websites and organizations up on Infowars.com right now.

00:59:54.000 For stations that just joined us, we had a massive newsmaker, Interview in the last hour.

00:59:59.000 It broke in the news yesterday.

01:00:01.000 You heard the lawyer on.

01:00:02.000 We had him on three years ago covering this.

01:00:05.000 Jesse Trinidou, but now the affidavit from Terry Nichols.

01:00:08.000 The headlines, Nichols says bombing was FBI operation.

01:00:12.000 Another headline, Nichols McVeigh had high level FBI help.

01:00:16.000 This is so big, we need to continue this discussion in the shower.

01:00:20.000 We're going to get into 9-11, but as it comes out, as more and more evidence comes out that Oklahoma City was a black op as well, everybody that was on Coast to Coast AM last night is saying, including George Norrie, this is a direct confirmation that only strengthens the hand of those that are exposing what happened on 9-11.

01:00:37.000 And for those that don't know, Dr. Kevin Barrett is the lead editor of 9-1-1, an American Empire, Volume 2, Christian Jews and Muslims Speak Out, and the author of Truth Jihad, My Epic Struggle Against the 9-1-1, Big Lie.

01:00:50.000 Dr. Barrett is taught in Islamic and Arabic studies, folklore, and African literature at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, she's 96.

01:00:56.000 Barrett coordinates the Muslim-Jewish-Christian alliance on 9-11, mujica.com, m-u-j-c-a.com, links up on infowars.com if you missed it, and is a leading figure in both the 9-11 truth movement and the fight for academic freedom.

01:01:10.000 Barrett has appeared or has been featured many times on CNN, Fox, Univision, BBC, CBS, and other leading broadcast outlets, and has been the subject of extensive articles and op-eds in the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, and other newspapers.

01:01:24.000 And we are honored to have him in studio.

01:01:26.000 Mr. Barrett, thank you for coming in.

01:01:28.000 Well, hey, it's great to be with you, Alex.

01:01:29.000 You bet.

01:01:30.000 This is a short segment.

01:01:31.000 We're going to break in two and a half minutes.

01:01:32.000 But just out of the gates, what do you think about this Oklahoma City news?

01:01:36.000 Well, it's mind-boggling, isn't it, to see the, you know, Deseret News, these mainstream newspapers, having headlines, saying, look, FBI behind the bombing.

01:01:45.000 I mean, I never thought I'd see a story like that.

01:01:47.000 It's amazing.

01:01:49.000 I don't know what they're going to do.

01:01:51.000 It's coming out in mainstream news in England that the Brits have staged almost all terrorism there.

01:01:55.000 It's coming out that our government's staging attacks, refunding the insurgency in Iraq to keep the war going.

01:02:01.000 It seems like everything's being revealed.

01:02:03.000 It does seem like that, and it makes me think that we're kind of in a race here between the forces that are exposing these things, and you're at the head of those forces and you have been for a long time.

01:02:13.000 And the people who need to cover them up as a survival strategy.

01:02:18.000 And I just don't know what they're going to do to try and keep the lid on this, but I sure hope it isn't as over the top as some of the things they've done in the past.

01:02:24.000 Well, they keep saying we're going to wake up and have a mushroom cloud.

01:02:27.000 I pray that's not the case, but if there is one, the first place we've got to look is Pennsylvania Avenue and the Pentagon.

01:02:33.000 Well, that's right.

01:02:34.000 We already have polls showing that 36% of the American people say that 9-11 was an inside job.

01:02:39.000 And 84% believe they're being lied to.

01:02:41.000 That's right.

01:02:41.000 So how many people are going to believe it if they concoct some story about another big attack?

01:02:46.000 That's what I've been saying since day one.

01:02:48.000 This is to save lives and the Republic.

01:02:50.000 And hence the world, because we're being used as an engine of global hegemonic domination and empire.

01:02:56.000 If we don't expose who's behind the terror, folks, they're going to win.

01:03:00.000 That's right, yeah.

01:03:01.000 It's an all-out struggle using truth as our weapon.

01:03:04.000 And I think truth is really the best weapon there is.

01:03:07.000 When I debate these guys on the other side, they don't really feel it.

01:03:12.000 They don't have the energy that comes from telling the truth.

01:03:15.000 And that's one reason that they can't defend this indefensible official story of 9-11.

01:03:19.000 I agree with that.

01:03:21.000 They don't have the energy, the life force, the truth on their side.

01:03:23.000 That's right.

01:03:24.000 The force is not with them.

01:03:26.000 Yes, sir.

01:03:26.000 There's less and less of it for us with them every day as these things keep coming out.

01:03:31.000 Absolutely.

01:03:32.000 I tell you, it's scary though.

01:03:34.000 It's scary because they're like cornered badgers.

01:03:36.000 I don't know, cornered floppies.

01:03:38.000 Hey, badger's a noble animal.

01:03:39.000 I'm from Wisconsin.

01:03:40.000 That's our mascot.

01:03:41.000 They're cornered rats, Alex.

01:03:43.000 They're cornered rabid rats.

01:03:45.000 Or cornered rabid pumbas.

01:03:48.000 We'll be right back.

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01:07:02.000 You want answers?

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01:07:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:07:15.000 It is 8 minutes into the hour, the 22nd day of February, 2007.

01:07:18.000 Kevin Barrett, Professor Kevin Barrett, Author Kevin Barrett, Speaker Kevin Barrett, is our guest.

01:07:26.000 9-11 Truth Crusader is our guest in studio.

01:07:31.000 Hey, don't say Crusader, Alex.

01:07:32.000 I'm a Muslim.

01:07:34.000 Hey, that name has multi-uses.

01:07:37.000 I know, I know.

01:07:38.000 And I'm taking that word back.

01:07:41.000 That's right.

01:07:41.000 We need to take that back and launch a real crusade for the truth.

01:07:44.000 There's a good side to that word, too.

01:07:46.000 That's what we're doing.

01:07:47.000 I said that as a little bit of a double entendre they could say or a pun.

01:07:52.000 How did you wake up to 9-11?

01:07:53.000 Then let's go to the latest 9-11 developments, then let's open the phones up.

01:07:56.000 You're also going to be speaking at the First Universalist Unitarian Church this evening, and they're going to show 9-11 Press for Truth, and the details are up on InfoWars.com concerning that.

01:08:06.000 But tell us about Kevin Barrett and your awakening, how you woke up.

01:08:10.000 Well, you know, I wish I'd woken up earlier.

01:08:12.000 I wish I'd been listening to your stuff and watching your DVDs, Alex.

01:08:15.000 But it took me two years to see that the evidence was so overpowering that it was worth devoting my life to trying to expose this.

01:08:22.000 First, for the first two years, I saw a lot of unanswered questions and problems in the official story.

01:08:27.000 But it wasn't until I saw Terry Mason, the French author, just decimate this Pentagon spokesman on Al Jazeera in fall 2003, I said, wait a minute, you know, what's going on here?

01:08:40.000 The story that Maison's putting out about the inside job at the Pentagon needs to be looked into.

01:08:46.000 And then I heard that David Griffin was writing a book about it.

01:08:48.000 Griffin is a very careful, button-down kind of academic who doesn't get into stuff like this very easily.

01:08:54.000 And so it's the first thing he'd ever done remotely like this.

01:08:58.000 I heard he was on the case and suggesting it was a demolition and a complete inside job.

01:09:02.000 I said, I'd better look into this.

01:09:04.000 Once I did, then I saw all this information that you'd been on top of from day one and realized, my goodness, it's not just that it was an inside job, but they're smoking guns piled up in the skies.

01:09:13.000 We can prove this easily and that can change the world.

01:09:15.000 And the debunkers, the debunkers like the BBC, and others.

01:09:21.000 They never attack us.

01:09:22.000 They only build straw men and claim we said things we didn't, or they go out and find some of the more esoteric, kind of kooky things, because, you know, there's as many ideas as the sun out there, and then claim that, well, you know, there's all these different ideas.

01:09:35.000 No, bottom line, the official story is the wildest conspiracy theory of all.

01:09:39.000 We have disproven the official story 110%, and then we can debate exactly how the military-industrial complex orchestrated this, but clearly They had the means, they had the motive, and then you look at it, they have their fingerprints all over it.

01:09:52.000 Can you speak to the debunkers, and in a nutshell, what the main tenets of 9-11 truth are?

01:10:00.000 Well, of course, the debunkers have mainly argued using ad hominem attacks, attacking the person who's making the argument rather than the actual argument itself.

01:10:08.000 And they've used a lot of deception in their responses.

01:10:12.000 The Popular Mechanics book, in particular, is extremely deceptive.

01:10:16.000 I mean, that's hers publishing, literally, in the encyclopedia.

01:10:19.000 Their name is right next to yellow journalism.

01:10:21.000 That's right.

01:10:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:22.000 The Hearst Corporation, that's the corporation that brought you the Spanish-American War by talking about the perfidious Spanish attack on the battleship Maine in Havana Harbor in 1898.

01:10:31.000 And of course, that certainly wasn't the Spanish that blew up that ship. 0.98

01:10:33.000 And so yeah, you can trace these debunkers back to highly dubious corporations and funding sources.

01:10:41.000 So what should we say to them?

01:10:42.000 Well, I think the first thing we say is that look at the official report, the 9-11 Commission report.

01:10:46.000 It is so full of holes, it is so full of lies, that no rational person who reads that report and compares it to other evidence, perhaps reads alongside it David Griffin's book, the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions.

01:10:59.000 Which he said he should have named the 400 and something page lie.

01:11:02.000 Yeah, yeah, or the 568 page lie or whatever.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, the book just doesn't hold up.

01:11:07.000 And the thing is, are we willing to accept a report on the most important historical event of our century that is a tissue of lies?

01:11:15.000 If you say yes, I think you're out of your mind!

01:11:19.000 Whether or not you buy into this or that particular alternative 9-11 theory or hypothesis, There's no way that you're going to read the official report, look at the evidence, and tell me that that report is an adequate historical record.

01:11:33.000 It's so far from that, that it's not even funny.

01:11:38.000 You've been all over, you name it, CNN, Fox, O'Reilly, they've all attacked you, and all they do is sit there and scream at you. 0.80

01:11:46.000 They'll talk five minutes, you'll talk maybe a minute, and they just keep calling you crazy over and over again.

01:11:51.000 They can never debate any facts.

01:11:53.000 That's right.

01:11:53.000 And so I've tried to use that against them in a couple of ways.

01:11:55.000 One is by writing this new book, Truth Jihad, my epic struggle against the 9-11 Big Lie, which is a sort of a humorous autobiography that could be handed to one of these people that have seen me on Fox or something and say, well, you know, is this guy crazy? 0.79

01:12:08.000 How did a nice Midwestern white boy turn into a crazed Muslim conspiracy theorist? 1.00

01:12:13.000 Is he really crazy? 0.97

01:12:14.000 Read the book and find out.

01:12:15.000 And, you know, it's a kind of, you know, use of humor and autobiography against this ad hominem attack, this attack the arguer rather than the argument.

01:12:24.000 And hopefully when people read that book, it will sort of shake their minds free a little bit and they'll be able to go back and look at the evidence with an open mind.

01:12:31.000 What do you think the main pillars of 9-11 Truth are, evidence-wise, and then where do you think the movement should go from here?

01:12:39.000 Well, I think the first and foremost pillar, of course, is Building 7, as you yourself have Anybody who sees Building 7 collapsing into its own footprint at free-fall speed, about seven seconds for a 47-story building, and then sees the landlord, the over-insured landlord, Larry Silberstein, who purchased the complex and finalized his purchase six weeks before 9-11, collected a Billions of dollars in a payout on his destruction of the world.

01:13:05.000 He's now up to $7 billion.

01:13:06.000 Is he getting $7 billion now?

01:13:08.000 It was first $2, and then $5, and then $6, $9, and then, you know.

01:13:12.000 Right.

01:13:12.000 That's a lot of money on a six-week investment.

01:13:14.000 He only put down a few million.

01:13:16.000 He collected billions.

01:13:17.000 And then he confessed on national television that, you know, we decided the best thing to do was pull it, and we pulled it, and we watched the building collapse.

01:13:23.000 And then the next piece they show them going, and then we pull the other buildings months later, we're getting ready to pull number six, and show them blowing it up, and then we have all the firefighters and police now on video going, get back, we're about to bring it down, it's coming down, and all these other firefighters and police and emergency workers, we put clips of and had on, saying yeah, I got there to help, and they said get back from seven, we're about to bring it down.

01:13:44.000 You can't set bombs in a building that's burning and it would take weeks even.

01:13:47.000 It's hard to bring them down.

01:13:48.000 It would take weeks even if you had the time to do it.

01:13:51.000 That's right.

01:13:52.000 It's a complete smoking gun.

01:13:53.000 There's even people talking about the countdown.

01:13:55.000 There was a countdown to Building 7 coming down.

01:13:57.000 You don't do countdowns to accidental fire-induced collapses.

01:13:59.000 That's right.

01:14:00.000 People now on message boards are doing more research than my office has because they've got the time.

01:14:04.000 And I spent like three hours the other night and didn't get any sleep because I got home and saw this at about midnight.

01:14:09.000 I looked up, it was 345.

01:14:10.000 My wife's wandering around upstairs going, honey, where are you? 0.99

01:14:13.000 Come to bed.

01:14:14.000 And I'm down there, and they had like 50 or 60 quotes out of newspapers with firemen saying there was a countdown, they blew it up, we were told to get back.

01:14:23.000 And then there were like 20-something video clips I hadn't even seen, and I'm trying to play these on the show, and I'm like, just going, uhhhh.

01:14:31.000 I mean, we're grounding in evidence here.

01:14:34.000 That's right.

01:14:34.000 And this is stuff I've never even seen, and I think, you know, I mean, I spend all my time doing this, there's so much evidence, I can't even wallow through it all.

01:14:41.000 Well, that's one of the problems with this whole thing.

01:14:43.000 There's almost too much evidence.

01:14:45.000 I said they left smoking guns piled up to the sky.

01:14:47.000 They piled them so high that you can't see the sun anymore.

01:14:51.000 People just stick their heads back in the sand and give up.

01:14:54.000 Some people do, at least.

01:14:55.000 But I'm not going to do that.

01:14:57.000 When they leave that many smoking guns for me, I'm going to pick those up and use them as a weapon for truth.

01:15:00.000 We can use this to change the world.

01:15:02.000 Why do you think they were so arrogant?

01:15:04.000 We are changing the world with God's help.

01:15:06.000 Why do you think they were so arrogant?

01:15:08.000 That they could just do this in such an obvious and cavalier way, just chutzpah, bravado, aplomb, I mean, what do you call it?

01:15:18.000 Well, I'd call it psychosis, Alex.

01:15:20.000 Hubris?

01:15:21.000 Yeah, yeah, hubris beyond the normal level of hubris.

01:15:25.000 Taking a constitutional republic like this country is supposed to be, And then undermining it with these massive false flag terror attacks, including Oklahoma City, and then culminating in 9-11, and then continuing after that, of course, in Bali, Madrid, and London.

01:15:39.000 This is just so outrageous that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around it.

01:15:43.000 And now we've had eyewitnesses on, reporting that they saw the Secret Services direct the bus, and then they were there waiting when the government blew it up there, and there's all the evidence of 7-7. 0.51

01:15:53.000 I mean, it's just getting ridiculous.

01:15:56.000 It is, and I just don't really understand what they're trying to accomplish with this.

01:16:01.000 You would think that things like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, just a fake attack on an American boat, would serve their purposes better than these massive terror bombings that ultimately are going to backfire on them.

01:16:16.000 I think they got away with it so much in the past.

01:16:19.000 I think it just goes to they're kind of playing in a 20 or 30 year old paradigm and we're in the 21st century.

01:16:24.000 We're well into it.

01:16:25.000 I think that frankly it's a bunch of old men who are smart and powerful but I just think are of another age. 1.00

01:16:32.000 I think you're right.

01:16:33.000 I think false flag terror has been a pretty big time key weapon in these power of empire folks who are trying to consolidate power and to launch wars.

01:16:43.000 They've been doing it for centuries, as you know.

01:16:45.000 I think the internet and the new communications technologies have really thrown a monkey wrench into that strategy because now everybody can look at the video of Building 7 coming down.

01:16:54.000 They can look at the video of Silverstein confessing to pulling it.

01:16:58.000 That's right, because in the past, the news event would happen once, they'd put out the official story, and then maybe little newsletters would challenge it.

01:17:05.000 And they said they intended to use the web as the worldwide wiretap to control us, but it does seem like it's backfired.

01:17:10.000 Right.

01:17:11.000 And it's really ironic that the World Wide Web was built by the U.S. 0.83

01:17:15.000 military.

01:17:16.000 DARPA, yeah, to do a communication system that could survive a nuclear war.

01:17:16.000 DARPA.

01:17:20.000 And so they set it up so that messages can't be blocked easily.

01:17:23.000 If a message is blocked, it has to go around and take another route, and it'll still get to its destination.

01:17:28.000 That makes it really hard to censor and control.

01:17:31.000 And so, ironically, they may have invented the weapon that will prove to be their destruction.

01:17:35.000 It's beautiful.

01:17:36.000 Now, I'm not saying we're not out of the woods, though.

01:17:38.000 Things are getting pretty serious, and they may try to up the ante in the Ponzi scheme and attack Iran. 0.98

01:17:43.000 You know, I think they may very well try to flee forward into an attack on Iran. 0.91

01:17:47.000 The scary thing to me is that this attack on Iran that they're planning doesn't make any strategic sense at all, unless they're going to try to seize that strip of land along the coast of the Persian Gulf, where all the oil is.

01:17:59.000 And if they're going to try and do that, it's going to be another big-time occupation.

01:18:03.000 That's right.

01:18:04.000 The Western Coastal Area has half the oil reserves in just a few hundred square mile stretch.

01:18:08.000 But see, the thing is, they can't do that unless they reinstitute the draft.

01:18:08.000 Right.

01:18:11.000 And reinstituting the draft is politically impossible without another 9-11 type event.

01:18:15.000 And that's where I kind of am a little concerned.

01:18:19.000 What about Brzezinski two weeks ago before the Senate saying that there may be an attack stage in the U.S.

01:18:24.000 blamed on Iran?

01:18:26.000 Well, when Brzezinski is saying things like that, it's really, you know, we've come to a very interesting pass when someone like Brzezinski is willing to come right out and warn the American people against false flag terror attacks to, you know, trigger a war on Iran.

01:18:39.000 That's amazing.

01:18:40.000 I've never heard, you know, I've never seen anything like this in the past.

01:18:43.000 It shows a major split in the power structure.

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01:24:06.000 Before we went into the break, we were going to talk more about the attack on Iran.

01:24:11.000 That's a false flag in and of itself.

01:24:12.000 They attack a country that doesn't have WMDs.

01:24:15.000 The CIA's own report a year ago said ten years.

01:24:17.000 The Israeli report says three to four years before they even had a crude A-bomb if they were allowed to have everything they wanted. 0.68

01:24:24.000 They capitulated and allowed total U.N.

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01:24:29.000 The U.N.

01:24:30.000 said they were given total unfettered access.

01:24:32.000 And then they went another level and said, now you can't even do basic enrichment for power plants.

01:24:38.000 And then we get all these misinterpretations of what Hakeem Abdel-Jabbar has been saying about, you know, he wants to wipe Israel off the map.

01:24:44.000 That's not what he said.

01:24:46.000 They claim that they want to make Jews wear yellow stars.

01:24:48.000 That turned out to be a complete lie.

01:24:50.000 It's shades of the Saddam throwing babies out of incubators out of a New York PR firm, which they admit now is fake. 0.73

01:24:56.000 Comments to how we stop World War III.

01:24:59.000 Well, I think we have to keep insisting that these things are lies.

01:25:04.000 We have to expose these lies.

01:25:05.000 Like, for instance, the story that Ahmadinejad says Israel needs to be wiped off the map.

01:25:09.000 He never said that.

01:25:10.000 Number one, he was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini.

01:25:13.000 It wasn't his own statement.

01:25:15.000 Number two, that statement doesn't say Israel doesn't say wiped, it doesn't say mapped.

01:25:18.000 None of those words are even in there.

01:25:19.000 It's a Zionist government.

01:25:20.000 Well, yeah, the actual translation is along the lines of this regime should be erased from the pages of time.

01:25:28.000 And what that is, is it's a way of... And this is what you study, and this is what your doctorates, and this is what you do, is you study this whole region and movement and things that are going on there.

01:25:40.000 Well, yes and no, Alex.

01:25:41.000 Actually, I study Arabic, but Persian is a completely different language.

01:25:44.000 We're a completely different language family, so I don't know Persian.

01:25:47.000 But I have read about people who do know Persian and their analysis of that particular statement.

01:25:52.000 Sure, I know there's a big separation.

01:25:53.000 Right, and apparently what Medinajad and the Iranian government's position has been forever, ever since the revolution, is they would like to see regime change in Israel by way of a free and democratic election in which all Israelis and Palestinians would be able to vote for the kind of nation that they want to have.

01:26:08.000 That's what he was calling for.

01:26:11.000 Well, and then you have the thing where they said last year, it was only out for three days, put out by one of those groups in Canada, they want to make Jews wear yellow stars.

01:26:18.000 Turns out it was totally made up.

01:26:20.000 Yeah, that one, somebody just dreamed that up.

01:26:22.000 And, you know, who's dreaming this stuff up?

01:26:24.000 Who's putting this stuff in our newspapers and our television?

01:26:27.000 Where is this stuff coming from?

01:26:28.000 Is it Hill & Knowlton, this Goebbels-style PR firm that Bush used to come up with this?

01:26:34.000 Well, it's like two weeks ago when they said they're giving deadly weapons.

01:26:36.000 The Iranians aren't. 1.00

01:26:37.000 It turned out it was all a lie.

01:26:39.000 That's right, yeah.

01:26:40.000 When the floodgates of propaganda start opening, and these lies start inundating us, that means that... A lot of the aircraft carriers line up.

01:26:47.000 Right, right.

01:26:48.000 Yeah, it's definitely time to come up, to do whatever we can do to stop this before it happens.

01:26:53.000 It could be a real disaster, it could be a huge strategic disaster for the U.S., which is why people like Brzezinski are coming out, you know, trying to blow the whistle on it, saying, watch out for another 9-11-style false flag event.

01:27:03.000 The reason he's saying that is because he's going to get You know, credited or blamed for this in the history books, and he's worried because I think he knows very well that this is a, you know, attacking Iran would be a huge gamble on the part of the U.S.

01:27:15.000 And he's going to get blamed because his National Security Advisor, and then in two subsequent books he wrote in the 90s and then last year, he kind of laid out this current neocon strategy, but I guess now he doesn't like how it's going.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, you know, I don't think he laid out a neocon strategy.

01:27:27.000 Well, it's a very similar strategy.

01:27:29.000 Right, it kind of dovetails in certain ways.

01:27:31.000 He did say that the only reason the U.S.

01:27:33.000 was able to get behind World War II was because of Pearl Harbor.

01:27:38.000 We need a helpful Pearl Harbor event.

01:27:39.000 He helped get the Mujahideen to start the attacks on the Russians in 1979, to actually kick that off.

01:27:46.000 He says that the key region will be Central Asia, into Persia in the future.

01:27:51.000 That's right. 0.85

01:27:51.000 So his realist strategy was pretty close to the neocon strategy, but the difference is that the neocons, I think, are complete lunatic, fanatic disciples of this evil guru named Leo Strauss. 0.85

01:28:03.000 I mean, they're really out to lunch. 0.72

01:28:05.000 Brzezinski is a realist strategist who's thinking in terms of a chessboard, whereas the neocons are a bunch of wackos who are thinking in terms of a small number of people running the world dictatorially by endlessly feeding big lies to the masses.

01:28:19.000 And I don't think Brzezinski is quite that far along.

01:28:21.000 No, I agree.

01:28:22.000 The founder of the Trilateral Commission is more cold about what he does.

01:28:28.000 It's more thought out, but still a globalist model, but I agree with you.

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01:35:46.000 Kevin, before we get more into 9-11 and take some calls here with loaded phone lines, tell folks about your new book.

01:35:52.000 Well, this is the second volume in this 9-11 and Empire series.

01:35:57.000 It got started when David Griffin came to the University of Wisconsin-Madison in spring of 2005 and gave a talk on 9-11 to a full house of 450-plus people.

01:36:09.000 That's right.

01:36:09.000 It was broadcast nationwide by C-SPAN, a big mainstream media breakthrough.

01:36:13.000 And so David and I said, you know, we should try to counter this ad hominem attack stuff that they're throwing at us by showing that there are a lot of respectable names who say that what we're saying is not crazy at all, that we're actually saying we're right.

01:36:28.000 So let's put out these books, collecting some big-name intellectuals in the first volume, and big-name religious studies scholars in the second volume, talking about 9-11 and looking at it from a perspective, not only what really happened, but how can we as Christians, Jews, and Muslims sit down together and invoke our moral principles that are really pretty common between all of us, and try and get at the truth of what happened, and also, you know, what's the meaning of this event?

01:36:56.000 What should we do with this event?

01:36:57.000 It's also important to counter it from that angle because 9-11 itself, the official narrative, is a religious belief.

01:37:04.000 Well, it is.

01:37:05.000 My argument in my essay in this book is that it's a myth, an artificially created myth.

01:37:11.000 Mythos, yeah.

01:37:12.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:37:13.000 Human sacrifice, unfortunately, is a big part of a lot of traditional religions that have been around in various parts of the world, and the Jewish-Christian-Islamic traditions try to put an end to human sacrifice.

01:37:23.000 You know, in Judaism, of course, the sacrifice of Isaac is God stays the hand of Abraham, right? 0.61

01:37:29.000 Same thing in Islam. 0.70

01:37:30.000 And in Christianity, of course, the sacrifice of Jesus is supposed to be an end to human sacrifice.

01:37:35.000 Yet, these diabolical perpetrators of 9-11 sacrificed 3,000 people in this incredibly intelligent spectacle.

01:37:43.000 Yeah, Bush has been... Well, to start over, I want you to say this, because we're also rolling cameras.

01:37:47.000 Okay, well yeah, I guess my point here is that this was a religious spectacle, a human sacrifice spectacle designed to reawaken primal religious emotions and drive people into this homicidal frenzy that could be channeled towards war.

01:38:01.000 I agree, and human sacrifice in ancient civilizations was really the state waging war against the people, but creating it as a sacrament that the corn will grow, the water will fall, if you just let the state kill you, and it kind of institutionalized this type of dehumanization.

01:38:17.000 And we see that in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto, which is pretty darn accurate.

01:38:21.000 And we ask, how could that happen?

01:38:22.000 Well, Bush keeps calling it sacrifice in all of his major speeches.

01:38:25.000 They know they're invoking that primordial, archetypal, instinctive drive.

01:38:30.000 That's right.

01:38:31.000 And you've actually done some work on this with the kind of stuff that goes on at Bohemian Grove where they sacrifice care in the form of like burning an effigy of a child.

01:38:39.000 Yes.

01:38:40.000 This goes back to those primal religions of the Mediterranean region. 0.94

01:38:44.000 I now have a video clip I sent to the network, we never played it because we didn't have time, of Anton LaVey.

01:38:49.000 Just type Anton LaVey into YouTube and it comes up on one of the top clips.

01:38:52.000 And he says we sacrifice care, we kill a child in effigy.

01:38:55.000 So this is scary stuff.

01:38:56.000 But sorry, we're talking about the Mediterranean.

01:38:59.000 Well, yeah, it's the same thing.

01:38:59.000 It's just these traditional religions around the world, including the ones on the South Shore, especially the Mediterranean in pre-Roman times and so on, were actually sacrificing children.

01:39:09.000 And our diabolical government is doing something similar when it uses these false flag attacks to invoke these primal religious emotions in which people just give up critical thinking, follow the government, and go out and march off to kill their fellow human beings.

01:39:25.000 Do you think that the perpetrators are doing this because they know how to push our buttons or are they doing it because they themselves believe in it?

01:39:35.000 Well, that's a good question.

01:39:36.000 I think the neoconservatives clearly have worked out this very elaborate philosophy saying that only we, the few, the proud, the neocons, can handle using reason to understand how reality works and therefore we have the right and the duty to control everybody else through big lies while we enjoy the fruits of this society that's run by... Which is what Strauss taught at Chicago.

01:39:58.000 Exactly.

01:40:00.000 But I think they're just systematizing a philosophy that's been around in elitist circles for a long time.

01:40:05.000 Yeah, for thousands of years different predatory elites have kind of stylized through religion and through ceremony their predatory actions.

01:40:14.000 That's right.

01:40:15.000 But the people also respond to this by changing rituals and invoking rituals and finding reality through religious practices including ritual and storytelling and myth and so on.

01:40:30.000 So there's always kind of a battle going on between the actual religious Impulse in human beings and the way those impulses are manipulated and controlled by elites Where do you see the 9-11 truth movement going and we're gonna go to some calls Well, I think we're heading for victory, Alex.

01:40:48.000 And I don't know when.

01:40:49.000 I don't know how it's going to happen.

01:40:50.000 It could happen in all sorts of different ways.

01:40:52.000 But I think we still have a shot at getting these current leaders in this administration out of office in chains before the end of their terms.

01:41:01.000 And if we can do that, we will have won.

01:41:03.000 But we could win in a whole lot of other ways, too.

01:41:06.000 I don't see how they can stop us at this point.

01:41:08.000 I mean, we may not get trials and people going to the prison or to the gallows, but certainly in the court of public opinion, we've now gone way across the 50% point, deep down, knowing it's an inside job.

01:41:20.000 Because if you study polls, you get 36% when they get a cold call from Scripps Howard Ohio University scientific poll.

01:41:28.000 They know that with really controversial questions, a lot of times it's double or more so the actual number you get.

01:41:35.000 Hey, the phone rings.

01:41:36.000 Hello, this is Scripps Hour News Service doing a poll.

01:41:38.000 Would you participate?

01:41:39.000 It's about 9-11.

01:41:40.000 Sure.

01:41:41.000 Well, okay, how old are you?

01:41:42.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:41:43.000 Have you taken this poll before?

01:41:44.000 No.

01:41:44.000 Have you taken a similar poll?

01:41:46.000 Okay, here's the first question.

01:41:47.000 Do you believe the government was involved in the attacks?

01:41:49.000 Do you believe it's an inside job?

01:41:51.000 36% say yes.

01:41:51.000 In that same poll, 66% believe they're being lied to.

01:41:56.000 Then four months later, they have an angus and I've done over 4,000 radio interviews in the last six years.

01:42:05.000 I was really heating up with interviews before then, warning people about terror.

01:42:08.000 And I would talk about this the first year after maybe half the callers agreed with me.

01:42:12.000 Now I go on shows where the host is attacking me.

01:42:14.000 It could be KFI or KOA or WABC.

01:42:18.000 And the host is attacking me.

01:42:19.000 I'm on an hour and a half.

01:42:21.000 And it's just absolutely amazing what happens with this, because almost every caller calls in and agrees with me.

01:42:31.000 I've had kind of the same experience, Alex.

01:42:33.000 I've gone on mainstream shows, too, with hosts who were attacking me, and I've had the same experience.

01:42:39.000 Lately, the callers have been on my side, so I hope it just continues in that direction.

01:42:45.000 Well, and obviously you have a show weekdays here on Genesis.

01:42:50.000 Tell folks about what time that program's on.

01:42:52.000 Well, that's 3 to 5 p.m.

01:42:54.000 Central Time.

01:42:54.000 It's the Dynamic Duo Show, and I handle Mondays and Fridays.

01:42:57.000 Jim Fetzer does Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays.

01:43:00.000 I've got a lot of interesting folks on there, probably none more interesting than my guest last Monday, I think it was.

01:43:07.000 From Duke University, we had Professor Bruce Lawrence, who's a scholar of radical Islam and an expert on Osama Bin Laden, and he actually came right out and said that the confession video is bogus.

01:43:20.000 That Fatty Bin Laden confession video where there's an overweight imposter. 0.86

01:43:22.000 Oh, we should have brought that up!

01:43:24.000 Talk about that!

01:43:24.000 That interview got a lot of attention.

01:43:26.000 Well, it did, because it is the furthest that anybody with those kind of credentials has gone, as far as saying that that video is bogus.

01:43:32.000 And it's really important, because he didn't just say that the Fatty Bin Laden confession video of November-December 2001 is bogus.

01:43:40.000 He said that all the CIA people who work on the Bin Laden units know it's bogus.

01:43:45.000 He talks to these people, he works with those people in his translating Bin Laden speeches and stuff.

01:43:50.000 He says they all know it's bogus.

01:43:52.000 And the question becomes, well, why is our whole intelligence apparatus going along with this?

01:43:56.000 Well, it's a fear.

01:43:57.000 Why?

01:43:57.000 And the reason it was so shoddy is they can't get most of the good CIA folks that are compartmentalized and doing real jobs to go lie for them, so it was just some black op.

01:44:05.000 They put some guy who looks nothing like him, 100 pounds heavier, a nose twice the size, And they put him in there.

01:44:11.000 They did face recognition, it isn't him.

01:44:13.000 Then they did voice print, that's 100% it's not him.

01:44:16.000 Then they had universities do the language test, where they looked at the linguistics, and it's not even the same dialect. 1.00

01:44:24.000 I mean, this is... How stupid do they think we are? 1.00

01:44:27.000 Well, they must think we're pretty stupid, Alex, to keep trying this stuff. 1.00

01:44:30.000 But anyway, it's good to have somebody like Bruce Lawrence, who's really kind of an insider. 0.98

01:44:34.000 Tell us about him.

01:44:36.000 Well, he's the head of the Religious Studies program at Duke University, and he's an accomplished Arabist and Islamologist.

01:44:42.000 He's published a number of books in this area, including this most recent book of his on Osama, Messages to the World, which is a translation of Osama's speeches now.

01:44:51.000 Bruce Lawrence, when he put that book out, you know, he didn't select the Osama speeches that I would select.

01:44:56.000 He selected them and arranged them in such a way that you could read his book and still more or less buy the official story.

01:45:01.000 He ignores the bogus Smoking Gun Fatty Bin Laden confession video.

01:45:05.000 He ignores all of these interviews where Bin Laden denied any responsibility for 9-11.

01:45:10.000 And then we have all these other interviews where they just recut stuff that was pre-9-11 and they keep putting them out as new and then let her go, okay, that was a recut of all takes.

01:45:19.000 That's right.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, that's another trick.

01:45:21.000 They keep reusing the old footage.

01:45:23.000 Well, I mean, how many times did they kill the number two al-Qaeda?

01:45:26.000 Like, twelve times?

01:45:28.000 How many times did they kill bin Laden's, you know, number three man?

01:45:31.000 How many times did they kill chemical Ali?

01:45:34.000 Then we learn he's alive.

01:45:35.000 How many times did they kill all of these people?

01:45:38.000 How many times did they kill his sons? 0.61

01:45:40.000 That's right. 0.88

01:45:40.000 They always have to kill a bad guy every so often just to make the story. 0.88

01:45:43.000 But why do they think we're so dumb they can use the same guy over and over again, never retracting the last time? 0.86

01:45:49.000 Well, I think that it's like Orwell said, that you've got to get people living in a perpetual presence where they have no historical memory, and then you just keep hitting them with these emotionally effective images. 0.93

01:45:59.000 Yeah, the government is cold-bloodedly just setting the precedent to just outright lie.

01:46:03.000 That's right.

01:46:04.000 And as Orwell said in 1984, The only real freedom is the freedom to say 2 plus 2 makes 4.

01:46:12.000 If that is permitted, then all things are there.

01:46:15.000 So the thing is, if they can convince us that these outrageous lies that anybody can see are lies are true, then we're stuck.

01:46:21.000 There's nothing else we can do.

01:46:22.000 We're accepting 2 plus 2 equals 2.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 That's what they want us to do.

01:46:27.000 And then he tortures Winston until he finally just can't see any numbers.

01:46:31.000 He says, I see 3, I see 5, I see 10, I see whatever you want me to see.

01:46:35.000 That's right, I see Bin Laden, I see the number 2 guy, I see... Well, who's the bad guy in that? 0.97

01:46:39.000 It's a turbaned, you know, like the bad guy from a Disney cartoon with the big black beard. 1.00

01:46:43.000 You know, that's Goldstein, who's this enemy who could never be defeated in 1984. 0.83

01:46:47.000 And Winston realizes that the government's blowing up its own buildings to keep the war against the people going, that there isn't even really an enemy.

01:46:54.000 That's right.

01:46:54.000 It's kind of interesting how Goldstein is the villain in 1984, this bogus villain who's this tall, dark, Semitic caricature, and this is sort of a Jewish caricature in 1984, but a lot of these nasty anti-Semitic caricatures of Jews are now being turned around and used against most Exactly.

01:47:10.000 If you take the old Nazi cartoons of Jews with the big nose and the dark hair and the hunchback, you can superimpose them on the Arabs. 0.97

01:47:17.000 It's the exact caricature. 0.76

01:47:19.000 That's right.

01:47:20.000 And it's not just the Nazis, Alex.

01:47:21.000 You know, Walt Disney put out a cartoon, I believe in the early 30s or late 20s, of the three little pigs and the big bad wolf in that cartoon is a tall hook-nosed jewish stereotype this is a big you know a lot of people don't know about this but disney was apparently you know a little anti-semitic himself well fast forward a little bit and then in when was it the 80s or actually early 90s ladies when when uh... aladdin came out uh...

01:47:46.000 it they put out this exact same caricature It's almost a reworking of the Big Bad Wolf, the anti-Semitic wolf, but now it's Jafar, the evil vizier, in this Middle Eastern country.

01:47:57.000 And it's like they've taken this anti-Jewish stereotype and they've flipped it upside down and now it's an anti-Muslim, anti-Arab stereotype. 0.56

01:48:03.000 Absolutely.

01:48:03.000 Let's take a call.

01:48:04.000 John in California.

01:48:05.000 You're on the air with Kevin Barrett.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, I wasn't trying to talk to Kevin Barrett.

01:48:11.000 It's okay, sir.

01:48:11.000 You're on the air.

01:48:12.000 Go ahead.

01:48:13.000 I wanted to say happy belated birthday.

01:48:16.000 I also wanted to mention not too long ago I gave you this code you could put on your page for people to copy the radio program to their website.

01:48:28.000 And we didn't do it.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, well, I wanted to give people a direction to get... No, I'm just saying, we're so busy.

01:48:34.000 Send it again to, say, Aaron at InfoWars.com.

01:48:37.000 I appreciate you making that.

01:48:38.000 We'll try to get it posted, but go ahead.

01:48:40.000 Alright, I wanted to give some people, until you do get it on there, a place where they can... Sure, go ahead.

01:48:46.000 It's at MySpace.com slash Biometallics, spelled with a zero and a K.

01:48:52.000 biometallics, spelled with a zero and a K.

01:48:53.000 We'll try to get that posted.

01:48:55.000 Our email is constantly having problems.

01:48:57.000 Keep sending it, folks, because we get a lot of good info from you.

01:49:00.000 But I don't want to exaggerate.

01:49:01.000 4,000 a day or so. 1.00

01:49:03.000 Probably half of them are spam, Viagra ads and mortgage ads and other stupid things. 1.00

01:49:09.000 Find your dream date. 1.00

01:49:12.000 We have to slog through all that.

01:49:15.000 Basically, all my email addresses are just impossible to keep track of.

01:49:18.000 That's why I give out my colleagues' email addresses, so they can hopefully find it.

01:49:22.000 But send it to me and we'll get it.

01:49:24.000 Thank you for the call, John.

01:49:25.000 Thank you for creating that program.

01:49:26.000 We'll be right back with Kevin Barrett on the other side.

01:49:29.000 I'm Alex Jones.

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01:53:08.000 For those that don't know...

01:53:11.000 Headline, Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.

01:53:14.000 Another headline, Nichols says bombing was FBI operation.

01:53:18.000 We had more information than what was in these two major newspapers yesterday, on today, with the lawyer we first interviewed three years ago.

01:53:26.000 This is huge news.

01:53:28.000 It is in the first 30 minutes of the show today.

01:53:31.000 It is so vitally important.

01:53:33.000 Everybody needs to check it out.

01:53:35.000 Everybody needs to look at it for themselves and find out the truth.

01:53:40.000 Let's go ahead and take another call here with our guest, Kevin Barrett.

01:53:44.000 Ryan in California.

01:53:45.000 You're on the air.

01:53:46.000 Go ahead.

01:53:46.000 Hi, Alex.

01:53:48.000 Thanks for taking my call.

01:53:49.000 You bet.

01:53:49.000 Go ahead.

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 I actually would like to ask Kevin Barrett.

01:53:55.000 If he's familiar with, um, let's see, what is his name?

01:53:59.000 John M. Allegro?

01:54:00.000 Uh, who decoded some of the Dead Sea Scrolls when they were first found?

01:54:05.000 I think I've read a little bit by and or about John Allegro.

01:54:09.000 Didn't he actually suggest that Jesus was a magic mushroom at one point?

01:54:13.000 He actually wrote a book on it.

01:54:14.000 It's very fascinating.

01:54:16.000 I just wanted to know what your take was on that.

01:54:18.000 We're really talking about government sponsored terror, not magic mushroom people.

01:54:21.000 It kind of all ties in because it just goes into the occult and how all these things came to be.

01:54:29.000 It's just all about the occult.

01:54:31.000 The ancient Jewish occultic practices and how they came to be before Judaism existed.

01:54:37.000 I was just wondering if he was familiar with that book.

01:54:40.000 I just think it's a very fascinating book and might be interesting for you.

01:54:43.000 Sure.

01:54:43.000 Are you familiar with it?

01:54:44.000 Yes, I actually have read that book.

01:54:46.000 I'm interested, but you probably know more than I do about that topic.

01:54:50.000 Actually, I don't even know who it is.

01:54:52.000 Listen, thank you for the call, Ryan.

01:54:54.000 David in Texas, you're on the air.

01:54:55.000 Go ahead.

01:54:57.000 Yes, Alex.

01:54:58.000 I'd like to talk about the, while we go, you were talking about the apocalypto and how the parallel of this.

01:55:05.000 After watching your Bohemian Grove video, and really getting into this whole thing, it really looks like it's an ancient weapon that they're using on us.

01:55:13.000 And now, in concert with that ancient weapon, they're using these new technologies like chemtrails.

01:55:19.000 I heard you had Clifford Carnicom on a few months back.

01:55:22.000 I've had him on many times.

01:55:24.000 Somehow this all ties in. 0.99

01:55:25.000 You've been getting on, I've been listening to you religiously here lately and you're, you get on, you're sick.

01:55:30.000 You're like, what the heck's going on?

01:55:32.000 You know, and, and after watching Cliff's video, you know, it kind of all really ties in.

01:55:37.000 Like they got a Trump card and they're not going to stop.

01:55:40.000 So I think like talking to a congressman or, you know, God love everybody for wanting to do that, but we need a consciousness change here.

01:55:47.000 We need to get some movement going.

01:55:50.000 And this is going to take God on our side many... We need to first realize just how evil the globalists are.

01:55:56.000 Their religion is about exercising power and about abusing people, just like 1984 with O'Brien.

01:56:02.000 They're the priest of power. 0.99

01:56:04.000 This is a guild of psychopaths running the planet. 0.93

01:56:07.000 Kevin Barrett, comments? 0.87

01:56:09.000 I think you're absolutely right.

01:56:10.000 And I think that we do need a change of consciousness.

01:56:12.000 And I think that when they screwed up 9-11 and left a pile of smoking guns, they gave us a chance to change consciousness by picking up those smoking guns, shoving them in the face of Mr. and Mrs. America, and saying, look what they did to us!

01:56:23.000 And I think that can change the world.

01:56:26.000 Can I make one more comment?

01:56:29.000 Yes, sir.

01:56:30.000 I agree with that, but what I'm saying here, it really looks like they wouldn't have pulled all of this off without having a Contingency plan, a backup plan.

01:56:37.000 It's the thing of they're so powerful, they're so big, they're invincible, what can we do?

01:56:41.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:56:42.000 No, no, no.

01:56:42.000 I'm saying that they've got technologies and ability to turn warfare, you know, that they could release anything at any time.

01:56:48.000 It's like if this 9-11 thing didn't work out, I'm sure they planned it ahead and thought, okay.

01:56:53.000 Well, that's why we have to expose how they're planning ahead.

01:56:57.000 You're absolutely right.

01:56:58.000 And, you know, God, thank you for doing your show, man.

01:57:00.000 You've awakened me up the last five years.

01:57:02.000 No, I'm just saying, it's like, I don't know, they get a power somehow by having all these souls, you know, constantly... I hear you.

01:57:10.000 Very evil.

01:57:11.000 Thank you for the call.

01:57:11.000 We're out of time.

01:57:12.000 Kevin Barrett, I want to thank you for being in the studio with us.

01:57:14.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:57:15.000 It's been great.

01:57:16.000 Coming up tonight, what time is the event this evening?

01:57:19.000 I think it starts about 7 o'clock.

01:57:21.000 That's right.

01:57:22.000 7 p.m.

01:57:22.000 tonight at the First Universalist Unitarian Church.

01:57:25.000 They're also going to show a 9-11 film.

01:57:27.000 I look forward to that event happening.

01:57:29.000 Thank you for joining us.

01:57:30.000 Okay.

01:57:30.000 Thank you, Alex.

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02:01:48.000 I remember 15 years ago watching different speeches he'd give in different films and learning something about the globalists and the New World Order and admiring his work.

02:02:00.000 And then I got to learn from him Just how bad I am.

02:02:05.000 And so he's going to share with us just where people like myself have gone wrong.

02:02:11.000 I guess George Bush is a good conservative man of the Lord and everything's fine here in America.

02:02:17.000 It's all those liberals.

02:02:19.000 Well, we know it's the liberals.

02:02:20.000 We know they're bought and paid for by the very same criminal elite that's giving us the Security and Prosperity Partnership and butchering our borders and preparing to launch World War III against Iran. 0.98

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02:06:29.000 I got Cliff Kincaid on today because he's done a lot of good work exposing the globalists, the UN agenda.

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02:06:45.000 Okay.

02:06:45.000 I got Cliff Kincaid on today because he's done a lot of good work exposing the globalists, the U.N. agenda.

02:06:52.000 He co-hosted Crossfire for a while back in the 1980s when Buchanan left to be part of the White House team, speech writer.

02:07:00.000 And he's done a lot of good work on the U.N. and the New World Order. 0.90

02:07:04.000 But he has written articles like C-SPAN promotes 9-11 truth movement.

02:07:11.000 Then it says, the two-day event American Scholars Symposium on the Neocon Agenda was held in Los Angeles and began with host Alex Jones thanking C-SPAN for covering their affair.

02:07:18.000 Participants rose to their feet in a standing ovation.

02:07:21.000 Then he goes on to decry C-SPAN airing something like this.

02:07:25.000 He's got another story here, impeach Bush over 9-11, and he basically derides that.

02:07:31.000 And then he's got another story, North American Union conspiracy exposed.

02:07:36.000 And he goes on to tell us that it's the liberals that are behind this.

02:07:39.000 So we have Mr. Kincaid on with us today.

02:07:42.000 Thanks for coming on.

02:07:43.000 Good to be with you.

02:07:45.000 Why don't you, just for listeners who may not know who you are, most of my listeners do, similar genre, why don't you tell folks a little bit about yourself?

02:07:53.000 I'm an independent conservative.

02:07:55.000 I've been in the Washington, D.C.

02:07:56.000 area since the summer of 1978.

02:08:00.000 Associated with various organizations, including Accuracy in Media.

02:08:05.000 As well as a group I formed about eight years ago called America's Survival, which deals mostly with foreign policy and international and UN-related issues.

02:08:16.000 I've had a long career, but I am known for my independence.

02:08:21.000 We are critical of conservative media as well as liberal media.

02:08:26.000 We call the shots the way we see them.

02:08:29.000 And come to the truth independently.

02:08:32.000 What would you call a radio broadcast like my own or the C-SPAN event?

02:08:35.000 A commie meeting or something?

02:08:38.000 Well, all I could comment in that respect, Alex, is based on my attendance at the so-called 9-11 Truth Movement meeting in New York that I covered personally.

02:08:49.000 And there was a mix of people there.

02:08:52.000 I have no doubt that there are a lot of people who want to get to the bottom of what happened on 9-11.

02:08:58.000 I'm among them.

02:09:00.000 I do believe, though, in the final analysis that what happened on that day did involve an attack on U.S. 0.90

02:09:08.000 soil by Islamic extremists, fascists, whatever you want to call them.

02:09:16.000 Nevertheless, we do have to find out a lot more about why it occurred.

02:09:23.000 And what led up to it?

02:09:24.000 It's the liberals and the socialists that always love to use the word fascist.

02:09:29.000 Explain to me how they are fascists.

02:09:34.000 Do they wear black uniforms?

02:09:36.000 Do they believe the government should combine with corporations for monopolies?

02:09:40.000 Because I would see the current Bush regime as attempting every fascist trick in the playbook.

02:09:46.000 The Bush administration can be criticized on many grounds, and in fact the article you just mentioned about the so-called North American Union is critical of the Bush administration on that score.

02:10:02.000 We are independent.

02:10:04.000 We will criticize the Bush administration and have done so on issues like the borders.

02:10:10.000 If you've seen any of the work I've done on the UN,

02:10:13.000 uh... which is freely available up on our website at USAsurvival.org and you go into the archives you'll find that uh... i was one of the first uh... behind the case in fact i co-wrote a book about the case of michael new the army specialist who was discharged for bad i know that a little listen i know the good work you've done i don't know cliff how you couldn't look at the evidence of nine eleven which is just there's so much of it

02:10:41.000 And I don't mean the debunking done by Hearst Yellow Journalism Publishing or by the BBC, because that's straw men and ad hominem attacks.

02:10:49.000 I mean, if you really look at 7, clearly blown up.

02:10:52.000 I got police firemen saying they were told get back, 10 second countdown, the government was going to blow it up.

02:10:57.000 You can't put explosives in there in a burning building.

02:11:00.000 That was staged.

02:11:01.000 You've got Bush with all the troops massing to invade Afghanistan and the surrounding countries in the two months before with the launch order to attack the day before.

02:11:08.000 You've got CIA insider trading.

02:11:11.000 You've got the hijackers trained at U.S.

02:11:13.000 military bases.

02:11:14.000 And that's the dean of the Defense Language School who went public and said, my gosh, we train these people.

02:11:18.000 I've had embassy heads on who said they wouldn't let them back into the U.S.

02:11:21.000 They were told the terrorism designation is a CIA cover.

02:11:25.000 I mean, there's hundreds of points.

02:11:26.000 Are you aware of any of those, or do you just deny those?

02:11:29.000 Well, I've looked at all of it, and I don't find it convincing.

02:11:32.000 What I do find convincing is that, and even Al Jazeera has discovered this and admitted it, even though it is certainly a raid against the forces of the United States.

02:11:43.000 Oh, give me a break. 0.60

02:11:44.000 It's milquetoast compared to Al-Arabia and the rest of it. 1.00

02:11:50.000 No.

02:11:51.000 Al Jazeera, and for people who are interested, this gets to the heart of what's happening here.

02:11:57.000 You have to be independently minded enough to be able to sort through the misinformation and the disinformation.

02:12:04.000 And I think some of what we've been hearing about 9-11 and the alleged complicity of the U.S.

02:12:09.000 government is coming from foreign intelligence services that want to mislead us into thinking that the Bush administration and not the Islamists are the real enemy.

02:12:19.000 Really, I was on the air two months before 9-11 and I'm not some foreign intelligence or domestic intelligence operative and I launched Operation Expose the Government Terrorist and said all the indicators I see is they're going to attack the World Trade Center and blame it on their former asset Osama Bin Laden.

02:12:35.000 I mean they now admit Gulf of Tonkin was staged, the CIA admits they staged the attacks on Iran in 1953 to stage terror attacks and blame it on Mohammed Mosaddegh.

02:12:44.000 It's now admitted that the U.S. and Israel were in cahoots on the attack on the USS Liberty.

02:12:48.000 I've had the admirals on the air who took the call from LBJ saying, I want that GD ship going to the bottom. 0.98

02:12:54.000 I mean, are you saying our government and other governments don't stage terror attacks?

02:12:57.000 I'm saying that when it comes to 9-11, we were caught by surprise, and that an Islamist terrorist group with links to Al Jazeera, and we have quite a bit of evidence on this, was behind it.

02:13:12.000 Now, in terms of the U.S.

02:13:14.000 being unprepared and not knowing exactly what led up to it, I'm saying we need more answers.

02:13:21.000 We just posted this week on our website an excellent piece by Jack Cashel dealing with the Sandy Berger stolen documents scandal that He looks at the TWA 800 cover-up.

02:13:33.000 He was sticking Abel Danger documents in his pants.

02:13:36.000 And we've been focusing on that as well.

02:13:39.000 But what we've tied it to, and this is important, and we were among the first, and we continue to hold to this view, that the U.S.

02:13:47.000 government did cover up the true cause of what happened to TWA 800.

02:13:52.000 And what we do in this piece by Jack Cashel is connect that to what happened on 9-11.

02:13:56.000 So we're not We're not averse to thinking about possible government conspiracy theories, but we believe that they have to be well documented, and we have done so in the case of TWA 800.

02:14:07.000 You ought to take a look.

02:14:09.000 Well, let's talk about that before you leave us, but let's go back here for just a moment.

02:14:14.000 In my first film about 9-11, we start out with Bill Clinton four separate times, when he was in Sudan, when he was in Afghanistan, when he was in Saudi Arabia.

02:14:23.000 Their government said, we want to arrest him and give him to you.

02:14:27.000 And Clinton signed W199I Internal Order ordering the intelligence agencies and the defense establishment as well as the Federal Bureau of investigation to back off, also to back off ACU-CON laboratories in Pakistan that successfully produced the bomb, the nuclear bomb for that country, which now has a whole parcel of them. 0.65

02:14:49.000 And then Bush reissued in February of 2001, W199I, the BBC's reported on, ordering the same policy.

02:14:58.000 So, you know, we hear this talk about, oh, Bill Clinton did it.

02:15:02.000 No, they're all involved in protecting these people and FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN in 2002 crying with Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch and of course with The impeachment lawyer, David Shippers, and said, here's a letter where I'll be arrested if I tell you what I know.

02:15:22.000 All we can tell you, and he broke down crying, is the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens. 1.00

02:15:26.000 You ever seen that National Press Club video?

02:15:30.000 Well, we have.

02:15:31.000 We've worked with Judicial Watch in the past and continue to work with them.

02:15:36.000 I guess I could press you on various things like, what have you done about TWA 800?

02:15:41.000 We were the ones who got to the bottom of that.

02:15:43.000 We continue to maintain that the Clinton administration covered it up.

02:15:47.000 What we've done recently with the Sandy Berger stolen documents scandal is connect that to 9-11.

02:15:53.000 And raised a question which even the Bush Justice Department does not want to answer, which is, what documents was he stealing?

02:15:59.000 Did they have anything to do with TWA 800 and the fact that we were not prepared on 9-11?

02:16:04.000 The Press has reported that it was terrorism investigations and that there's a connection to Able Danger.

02:16:11.000 Have you found that to be accurate?

02:16:12.000 I don't know.

02:16:13.000 There's still a cover-up underway regarding Able Danger, and we haven't gotten to the bottom of that one either.

02:16:20.000 Well, it had to be something big for Sandy Berger to be in there cramming papers in his pants.

02:16:26.000 And I think what it was, and go to our website at AIM.org to find this out, Jack Heschel makes a convincing case that the documents that Berger stole dealt with the shoot-down Not the mysterious crash, the shoot-down of TWA 800.

02:16:42.000 Well, you ask what I've done on it, I've probably done 50, 60, 70 shows in the last 10 years since that happened with experts and filmmakers and helicopter pilots and Navy officers.

02:16:56.000 Have you talked to Cashel?

02:16:58.000 I believe so, yes.

02:16:59.000 Well, we've not only talked to him and run his most recent piece, and he's an expert on this subject, we actually did a film ourselves Years ago.

02:17:08.000 So we approach each one of these incidents independently, trying to ascertain the facts, and then we publish what we find.

02:17:15.000 Well, look, there's no doubt that Bill Clinton was involved in the build-up to 9-11, not just letting it happen.

02:17:21.000 Clearly, the military-industrial complex you know full well is a lot better than Bill Clinton or George Bush, Cliff, Kincaid.

02:17:28.000 And I think if you honestly look at 9-11, instead of some of the straw men or kooks that are out there, you're going to find out that it's deep and dark.

02:17:36.000 But let's come back and let you expound on what really happened at TWA Flight 800 and what's happening with the North American Union.

02:17:41.000 We'll be right back.

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02:21:56.000 I remember the liberals all criticizing me when I started exposing Oklahoma City as an inside job.

02:22:02.000 The government didn't screw up.

02:22:04.000 They didn't provocateur it and then accidentally not run the sting right.

02:22:08.000 They did the whole thing.

02:22:10.000 Bombs inside.

02:22:11.000 Eyewitnesses.

02:22:12.000 The whole nine yards.

02:22:13.000 BATF ordering police and different emergency workers to put bandages on them when they weren't hurt.

02:22:21.000 And now, here it is.

02:22:22.000 Nichols McVeigh had high-level help in FBI.

02:22:27.000 Here's another headline, Nichols says, Oklahoma City, an FBI operation, affidavits, and it fits in with all the eyewitnesses and the rest of it.

02:22:37.000 Then you look at TWA Flot 800, all we know from General Vinton Parton and many others is that it fits, and reporters snuck in and got samples and got arrested.

02:22:45.000 That it had clearly been hit by at least one missile, probably two continuous rod missiles.

02:22:52.000 Cliff Kincaid, from your research on this, who do you think was involved in shooting those missiles that were witnessed by hundreds of members of the military, police, state police, and others that day?

02:23:03.000 We have looked at almost all the incidents and cases you just brought up.

02:23:08.000 In fact, we've got a piece on Oklahoma City that's going to be published in about a few weeks.

02:23:15.000 Just to back up for a second, it is our belief that Al-Qaeda is a real Islamic terrorist organization, that it was not only responsible for 9-11, but was also responsible for the post-9-11 anthrax attacks.

02:23:30.000 We've done extensive work on that. 0.92

02:23:31.000 That's ridiculous. 0.74

02:23:33.000 Well, we've got the evidence to show. 0.95

02:23:35.000 You've got the evidence?

02:23:37.000 Okay, see, this is what you do, Cliff.

02:23:39.000 We've got the evidence, and not only that, we've been almost alone in supporting the cases that have been brought by Stephen Hatfield, who had his life and career ruined.

02:23:49.000 Oh, I agree, he wasn't involved.

02:23:51.000 Hold on, let's go back.

02:23:52.000 Let me finish my point.

02:23:53.000 By the Bush Justice Department, incidentally, who Under John Ashcroft, who accused him of being a, quote, person of interest, when he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

02:24:03.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:24:04.000 Why would the Bush administration want to pin it on Hadfield for no reason?

02:24:08.000 Well, let me tell you.

02:24:09.000 In that case, and this goes back a long, long way into the Clinton administration and continuing under the Bush administration, we've got a very, very corrupt FBI.

02:24:24.000 And when you have corruption on top of incompetence, you have a very, very dangerous situation.

02:24:30.000 And we have made the point not only that Hatfield is innocent, we have supported his lawsuits not only against the New York Times for defamation for accusing him of being involved in the anthrax murders, but against the Bush Justice Department itself.

02:24:43.000 Okay, let's back up.

02:24:44.000 Let's back up here.

02:24:46.000 First, the government said that it wasn't weaponized anthrax.

02:24:49.000 Then it turned out it was Fort Detrick, Amestrain, super-weaponized, coated in bentonite, miniaturized.

02:24:55.000 And we know there was a Congressional 99 study of how to mail weaponized anthrax through the mail.

02:25:01.000 All these Bush enemies, from Tom Daschle to American media, get it mailed to them.

02:25:06.000 And you say Al-Qaeda had U.S.

02:25:08.000 weapons-grade anthrax.

02:25:10.000 Oh, boy.

02:25:11.000 Well, it wasn't U.S.

02:25:14.000 Yes, meaning it originated at Fort Detrick.

02:25:16.000 The so-called AIM strain was freely available around the world.

02:25:21.000 The Russians had it. 0.98

02:25:22.000 Al-Qaeda had it.

02:25:23.000 They had it in Afghanistan.

02:25:25.000 There are hundreds of reports confirming with the experts that have looked at it that it was a U.S.

02:25:31.000 slash British type design.

02:25:33.000 No, it wasn't.

02:25:35.000 That's what they initially claimed.

02:25:37.000 That's what came out of the FBI.

02:25:39.000 The FBI later backtracked on that and so did the What about Francis A. Boyle?

02:25:45.000 I lost you there.

02:25:50.000 Well, I won't back down.

02:26:08.000 No, I won't back down.

02:26:12.000 You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down.

02:26:20.000 No, I won't stand my ground.

02:26:25.000 Okay, this happens about twice a year.

02:26:29.000 Thank you.

02:26:30.000 And we have the electrician here right now.

02:26:32.000 I'm in my Austin offices.

02:26:33.000 The main network and satellite uplinks is in Minnesota.

02:26:36.000 We have backup power.

02:26:37.000 I didn't want to talk about it.

02:26:38.000 Since the last hour, we haven't had power and the batteries are going crazy.

02:26:43.000 I apologize to our guest.

02:26:45.000 Mr. Kincaid, are you still there?

02:26:47.000 I'm here.

02:26:48.000 Okay, a little bit of fun.

02:26:50.000 You drew the short straw today coming on the show.

02:26:53.000 This has only happened one other time.

02:26:56.000 Well, let me proceed and try to bring it up today.

02:27:00.000 We can argue back and forth on the Al-Qaeda-Anthrax connection, but getting to TWA 800, I'll tell you what we think happened.

02:27:07.000 We think the Clinton administration anticipated Al-Qaeda using airliners and flying them into buildings.

02:27:13.000 They were preparing for it, but the Navy, which was pre-positioned, accidentally shot down TWA 800.

02:27:19.000 Clinton was in a re-election mode.

02:27:21.000 He had the CIA come up with the phony video.

02:27:24.000 And they blamed it on a mysterious fuel tank explosion.

02:27:26.000 Stay there.

02:27:27.000 I want to hear your evidence for that.

02:27:28.000 I want to hear why you think that happened and how that happened on the other side.

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02:31:10.000 The only thing that's real The needle tears the hole The old familiar I don't know if I agree with that term.

02:31:33.000 You know, to see so many people who have been fighting the New World Order just not being able to deal with the fact that George Bush is a New World Order pimp is hard for me to deal with.

02:31:46.000 But we're going to finish up with TWA Flight 800.

02:31:48.000 We're going to get into his new article by Cliff Kincaid at AIM.org.

02:31:53.000 North American Union conspiracy exposed.

02:31:55.000 We have links to this up on Infowars.com, the sub page.

02:31:58.000 But he starts out with how the Democratic Party liberals are running this, and they've discovered the liberal conspiracy.

02:32:04.000 Well, it's like the professor Carol Quigley, who was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown, said he was part of the globalist apparatchik and allowed to go into their files.

02:32:13.000 He said, no, they control the left, the right, the fascists, the communists, anything that consolidates, anything that creates big government that global corporations can then suck off of is how they operate.

02:32:22.000 We'll get into that in a minute and let him counter anything he disagrees with, but give us your research and your take on what really happened with TWA Flight 800.

02:32:29.000 Well, let me tell you, it's impossible to know for sure.

02:32:34.000 But this is our best estimate, and again, people can go to AIM.org and see Jack Cashel's latest piece on Sandy's secrets, as we call it.

02:32:43.000 The link between what he stole, the documents, and TWA 800 leading up to 9-11.

02:32:49.000 But we do believe that the Navy was pre-positioned that night to possibly intercept a terrorist hijacked airplane or missile.

02:33:00.000 And that it accidentally shot down TWA 800.

02:33:04.000 Now this was bad news for Clinton, who wanted to be re-elected that year.

02:33:08.000 This is 1996.

02:33:10.000 And so a decision was made to cover it up and blame it on a mysterious fuel tank explosion.

02:33:16.000 Well, there was a huge naval drill that night and helicopters in the air.

02:33:20.000 That's why we have hundreds of military witnesses.

02:33:22.000 How would they keep the military from leaking that when there'd be at least hundreds of witnesses on board the ships?

02:33:27.000 Well, there's, you know, there's unanswered questions.

02:33:31.000 I don't have all the answers.

02:33:32.000 I mean, I've heard this since day one that it was a naval missile.

02:33:36.000 That's our best estimate or guess.

02:33:38.000 We don't know for sure, but we do know that the government cover story doesn't make any sense and that the CIA was brought in to concoct this animated video that made no sense in an effort to try to discredit the eyewitnesses, more than 200 who actually saw a missile go up and hit the plane.

02:33:58.000 But let me bring it back to the so-called North American Union, Alex, because you try to accuse me of being soft on President Bush by emphasizing the first paragraph in that piece.

02:34:08.000 People should go to that piece at AIM.org and read it for yourself.

02:34:12.000 I start out with the fact that Robert Pastor, formerly of the Carter administration and a Clinton advisor, made certain comments because he was the host of this conference I personally attended and covered in Washington last Friday.

02:34:26.000 He is the brain behind the North American Union.

02:34:30.000 Sure, and he's been on Lou Dobbs and... Or community, as I call it.

02:34:33.000 But if you read... Hold on, I mean, he wrote towards the North American community, and then Bush basically, word for word, had it translated into the Security and Prosperity Partnership, signed in March of 2005.

02:34:43.000 But all your articles start out with, the Marxist at the 9-11 meeting, the commie, the liberal.

02:34:50.000 I mean, there's no... I make no...

02:34:53.000 Apologies for the fact that I am an anti-communist and I oppose not only... No, my whole point is I am too, Cliff.

02:35:00.000 The point is that it isn't the liberals running everything.

02:35:04.000 They're all about the same people.

02:35:05.000 Well, if you read my article, you'll see I'm hard on Bush.

02:35:08.000 I'm hard on the corporations for exploiting NAFTA, for exploiting free trade, for trying to form these North American institutions, for the Congress not paying any attention, for the media covering it all up.

02:35:19.000 It's all there.

02:35:20.000 No, I understand that.

02:35:20.000 our punches.

02:35:21.000 If you go to our website, you'll also find out we run articles critical of people like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly.

02:35:28.000 We go after Fox News.

02:35:29.000 We go after them all.

02:35:30.000 We are independent, and we don't take any guidance from anybody.

02:35:34.000 No, I understand that.

02:35:35.000 Listen, I think you're certainly a lot better than the people you just mentioned.

02:35:39.000 I'm just, I mean, talking about Limbaugh, they're still denying there's even a North American Union and the things being created right now.

02:35:46.000 I mean, Well, that's right, and they're in denial.

02:35:49.000 I just confirmed yesterday that Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, had been on Lars Larson's show, I think, in Oregon.

02:35:56.000 In January, when he was asked about this, and he says, oh, it's all an urban legend.

02:36:00.000 Well, of course it's not!

02:36:02.000 There's plenty of documents out there.

02:36:03.000 I attended the conference I attended last Friday, under pastor sponsorship, was totally devoted to forming a North American legal system.

02:36:12.000 They want to not only merge the economies and the political and social systems, but the legal systems of all three countries.

02:36:18.000 That's what you do first.

02:36:19.000 You create international law, then you have international courts, international police and military to enforce international law, and the international tax to fund it all, and we got the SPP.gov North American Summit meeting last September through Judicial Watch, and what's the first agenda?

02:36:33.000 How to keep it secret from the people!

02:36:35.000 And as a matter of fact, on Friday, tomorrow, There's a meeting of the Security and Prosperity Partnership in Canada.

02:36:43.000 So this thing is going on.

02:36:44.000 We've got to focus attention.

02:36:46.000 See, I didn't know that.

02:36:47.000 I didn't know that.

02:36:47.000 So today you're giving us something new.

02:36:49.000 There's another SPP tomorrow?

02:36:51.000 Yes, exactly.

02:36:52.000 I'll read you.

02:36:53.000 This is from the Canadian Embassy.

02:36:54.000 Now, we probably won't see much in the media about it, but it refers to all the three North American neighbors launched the Security and Prosperity Partnership in March 2005.

02:37:07.000 And that the Chief Diplomats of Canada, Mexico and the U.S.

02:37:10.000 will meet February 23rd in Ottawa.

02:37:12.000 That's tomorrow to discuss all these issues.

02:37:15.000 This is another meeting and we're trying through accuracy and media to get our media to finally pay some attention to what's going on.

02:37:23.000 It is a constitutionally suspect and dubious process.

02:37:27.000 I can't even confirm that President Bush actually signed the so-called agreement or memorandum that set up the S.P.E.A.T.

02:37:34.000 Because they make that secret.

02:37:35.000 But this is incredible.

02:37:37.000 So, AIM just learned, this is the first I've heard of this, That they're having another one of these.

02:37:43.000 Now, the one last year was secret.

02:37:45.000 Obviously, this is going to be closed door, too.

02:37:47.000 I wonder if the first issue on the agenda will be, again, secrecy.

02:37:52.000 Imagine governmental actions going on, setting policies through the unelected bureaucracies.

02:37:57.000 Congress has no involvement in this.

02:37:59.000 They have the total authority.

02:38:01.000 This is amazing!

02:38:02.000 This meeting is being held tomorrow in Ottawa, Canada.

02:38:05.000 Friday, February 23rd.

02:38:07.000 All three top people from the U.S.

02:38:09.000 government, Rice, Chertoff, and Gutierrez are there, as well as all their counterparts from Mexico and Canada.

02:38:17.000 Now that's how the SPP works is they when they set this up there's three individuals from each of the three nations who then sit on this internal secret board and then you've got all these corporations there who are there to help implement this and did you see in the LA Times as well as the Associated Press That's exactly right.

02:38:38.000 where not just Bank of America, but all the other major banks, Wells Fargo, you name it, are saying we're not going to make them show IDs or Social Security numbers to get bank accounts and housing loans and car loans to, quote, help them grow roots here so they can't be driven out of the country.

02:38:54.000 That's exactly right.

02:38:55.000 They are already starting some pilot projects, especially in California, to give Visa cards, Master cards, credit cards to illegal aliens. 0.58

02:39:06.000 One of the things that Robert Pastor said, and I interviewed him on Friday at this conference, was he wants, supposedly, to stop illegal immigration.

02:39:15.000 He wants another $200 billion from Mexico, plus a national fraud-proof biometric national ID card to control the movement of people in and out of the U.S.

02:39:25.000 All of that's in my article.

02:39:27.000 Tell us more about this meeting you attended where they're trying to merge the legal systems.

02:39:31.000 It was held under the auspices of the American University College of Law, sponsored by Pastors Center for North American Studies.

02:39:40.000 This is a division of AU, a large college, university in the Nation's Capital that actually offers a minor to students in the subjects of North American Studies.

02:39:53.000 I've got one research paper from one of the students that went through this place in which he calls for a North American Parliament The details are provided.

02:40:02.000 I'm going to be writing more about that in the future.

02:40:05.000 But this is, and they're actually now sponsoring what they call model North American Parliament meetings, sort of like model UN programs that permeate our schools, trying to get students to think in terms of the continent.

02:40:19.000 Continental thinking.

02:40:21.000 All of this was discussed at the Friday conference.

02:40:23.000 Sure, continental integration.

02:40:25.000 What did you discuss with the pastor?

02:40:27.000 Well, what I discussed with him was his views on immigration.

02:40:30.000 He does not favor, of course, controlling the borders.

02:40:33.000 He thinks that's futile.

02:40:35.000 He thinks there might be a role for some fences along some isolated high-crime areas of the border.

02:40:40.000 But basically, he thinks the only way to keep them out of the U.S.

02:40:43.000 is to pour another $200 billion into Mexico!

02:40:47.000 He thinks that's going to make them rich!

02:40:51.000 Oh yes, and then they'll have freedom, and then they'll be a trading partner.

02:40:54.000 No, globalism is designed along neo-feudalist, neo-mercantile models to consolidate the wealth in the hands of a tiny elite.

02:41:02.000 It's not a free market system, and then their own documents show that.

02:41:06.000 How do we... Well of course it's not, and let me tell you one of the most fascinating things about this conference, and it was sort of a, I think, unexpected for Mr. Pastor, or Dr. Pastor.

02:41:15.000 It was at the end of the conference on a panel featuring a Mexican ambassador who admitted that Mexico is hopelessly corrupt.

02:41:23.000 He said there's too many payoffs and bribes and corruption.

02:41:26.000 He said corruption permeates all of these governmental institutions, that reforms were attempted under President Fox, but they went nowhere.

02:41:35.000 So it raises the whole question, then, at the end of this all-day conference about how to merge the Mexican economy into the U.S.

02:41:43.000 How can we merge our country into a country, a regime, that's hopelessly corrupt?

02:41:48.000 And that is one of the trump cards we have here, the fact that Mexico is a hopelessly corrupt country, that the government cannot be trusted, and why in the hell should we be trying to suggest A North American Union merging Mexico into our country.

02:42:04.000 The only possible justification is that in their view, and this is why I went to the conference to get it right from the horse's mouth, Robert Pastor really believes, this is the liberal mindset, that we can only solve this problem by pouring more of our tax dollars into Mexico.

02:42:21.000 Well, you say liberal mindset.

02:42:23.000 I say elitist mindset.

02:42:25.000 And they wear the phony conservative cloak or the phony liberal cloak as a defense to just get their constituents to support them.

02:42:31.000 Why not call them what they are?

02:42:33.000 These are monopoly men.

02:42:35.000 These are people that believe in the almighty state.

02:42:37.000 These are individuals that believe in centralization.

02:42:40.000 And look, we're allies when it comes to true conservative beliefs.

02:42:43.000 But, you know, when you come out, going back to TWA Flight 800, and you say, what we do know is the official story is a lie, same thing on 9-11.

02:42:52.000 We can debate exactly what happened there, but we're being lied to across the board on 9-11.

02:42:58.000 9-11's being used to take our liberties while leaving our borders wide open, while being used for military expansionist operations that make our country less secure, And then we run into the problem of, I talk about North American Union, I have the documents.

02:43:12.000 People are still in denial.

02:43:13.000 You talk about it, they're still in denial.

02:43:15.000 You can say I'm being condescending if I say you're in denial about 9-11.

02:43:18.000 I mean, all I know is I'm going where I think the truth is and trying to get the best picture I can, Cliff, and I agree with you on about 90% of things.

02:43:27.000 That could be.

02:43:28.000 I'd have to go on these things case by case, but I'm telling you what I know, what I believe, and what I can prove.

02:43:33.000 And one thing I've done in Washington

02:43:35.000 for almost uh... uh... thirty five years as i go and cover these things myself i find out for myself that's why i was at the pastor conference on the north american community as he calls it and then we produce our reports we publish our information on the general value it's also sure what i don't have a little relation none of this is surmised when i said about pw eight eight hundred what i what we thought happened i i made the point of saying this is our best estimate this is our best guess but we don't know for sure but i do know this about nine eleven

02:44:05.000 Al Qaeda, a foreign terrorist organization, was involved.

02:44:08.000 You mean al-CIA-da?

02:44:10.000 Well, look, we've got a lot of corruption in the CIA and the FBI as well, but I don't think... 0.98

02:44:16.000 See, I think you confuse conspiracy theories with what I prefer in some of these cases to call a stupidity theory, right? 0.59

02:44:24.000 We have a government... Why did FBI agent Robert Wright break down and cry and say, all I can tell you is, the Bushes' vacation would have been lunch? 0.98

02:44:33.000 Is he a conspiracy theorist?

02:44:34.000 I don't know who he is, or what he said, or what he meant, but I do know this.

02:44:39.000 That there is a lot of corruption still in the CIA and the FBI.

02:44:43.000 Okay, let's say the Arabs did 9-11, which isn't... I don't agree with that.

02:44:46.000 Certainly there were some involved as Patsy's.

02:44:49.000 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

02:44:51.000 Why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia? 0.86

02:44:53.000 Why did we go into Iraq?

02:44:54.000 I mean, you're not going to try to push the baloney that Saddam was with Al-Qaeda, are you?

02:44:59.000 Well, if you want to discuss our foreign policy, that's a big issue too.

02:45:06.000 And I'm not going to dispute that most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

02:45:12.000 Most of these Arab-Muslim regimes in the world are not our friends. 1.00

02:45:16.000 Why did James Baker block the suit by the widows against the Saudis?

02:45:21.000 Well, I can't defend the Saudis or James Baker, and if you read anything we've said, we've been very critical of our foreign policy in this part of the world.

02:45:29.000 We've, in fact, criticized Entities like Fox News, because we know that a Saudi prince, a billionaire prince, Prince Alouide, is a significant shareholder in Fox News.

02:45:40.000 We are the ones who have been focusing attention on him.

02:45:43.000 I know, but you guys have put that out.

02:45:44.000 And those who are pulling some strings behind the scenes.

02:45:47.000 We have been independent.

02:45:49.000 I bet you didn't get invited back on Fox after you criticized him.

02:45:54.000 Well, we haven't been on Fox for a while, but that's fine.

02:45:59.000 We're not doing reports in order to get invited on radio or TV shows, but I will go on a lot of shows and offer my opinions, and I'll tell you this, that we do believe that Al Qaeda is a real terrorist organization. 0.89

02:46:11.000 We think Al Jazeera is their mouthpiece, and it's a danger to the United States as well.

02:46:16.000 That may be where we disagree. 0.55

02:46:17.000 I do believe there are foreign terrorist threats out there, And we've got to be wary of them, and that too many in the Arab-Muslim world want to kill us. 0.99

02:46:26.000 Well, and I guess giving up all of our rights, having national ID cards, but keeping the borders open and worshipping police in black ski masks will keep us safe.

02:46:33.000 Well, as we just discussed, I'm certainly not in favor of an open border policy, and we were Uh, complaining about this going back a decade or more.

02:46:42.000 So, we call it the way we see it.

02:46:44.000 We've been critical of the Bush administration, and we've certainly been critical of their conduct in this case of the North American community.

02:46:51.000 Cliff Kincaid, we're out of time.

02:46:53.000 I want to get you back up in the future, and I will try to get some of your other writers on on issues we agree on.

02:46:58.000 I just want you to know, I honestly, from the research we have, know it's an inside job.

02:47:02.000 We have the evidence.

02:47:03.000 If you look at it all congruently together, the official story is a fraud.

02:47:08.000 The motive was there.

02:47:09.000 The past history of staged terror by governments was there.

02:47:13.000 Northwoods is there.

02:47:15.000 And this is going to come out, just like Oklahoma City broke yesterday, just a smoking gun that McVeigh was being handled by the FBI.

02:47:23.000 We already knew that from a hundred plus other sources.

02:47:25.000 But this just makes it even stronger.

02:47:27.000 And you and a lot of other people are going to be You know, looking pretty silly in the end when this all comes out.

02:47:34.000 Look, we're not going to be stopped.

02:47:36.000 36% of the public know it's an inside job.

02:47:38.000 84% believe they're being lied to about 9-11.

02:47:41.000 Those numbers are old.

02:47:42.000 New polls coming out show even higher numbers, Cliff.

02:47:45.000 Well, go to aim.org and read the latest piece about TWA 800 and 9-11.

02:47:51.000 And some of the pieces of the puzzle will come together for you.

02:47:53.000 Well, I have no doubt Sandy Berger is involved, and I agree with you there.

02:47:57.000 Did you hear about Zbigniew Brzezinski coming out before the Senate Intelligence Committee just a few weeks ago saying that there may be a staged event blamed on Iran to get us into war?

02:48:06.000 Well, you know, going back into history, of course, Brzezinski was part of the Carter administration that supported the Islamic terrorists.

02:48:14.000 In Afghanistan when they were fighting the old Soviet Union and now that they've turned on us. 0.86

02:48:18.000 Oh, Ronald Reagan supported them too.

02:48:21.000 That's right.

02:48:22.000 That's right.

02:48:23.000 And then they turned on us.

02:48:25.000 Well, I mean, but notice you bring up Carter when the main, I mean, Carter kicked off.

02:48:29.000 And why did they turn on us, Alex?

02:48:31.000 It's because they want to rule the world.

02:48:33.000 We're out of time.

02:48:34.000 I think everybody wants to rule the world.

02:48:36.000 Cliff Kincaid, thanks for spending time with us.

02:48:37.000 My pleasure.

02:48:38.000 Take care.

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02:51:52.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

02:51:56.000 Look, I'm sorry we don't have time to get to all your calls.

02:51:59.000 I know the phones are loaded.

02:52:00.000 We'll try to have some open phones next week for you.

02:52:04.000 Full show is doing that.

02:52:06.000 I had Cliff Kincaid set up yesterday because I wanted to argue with him and, you know, just show you how these people operate.

02:52:13.000 But frankly, I should have just canceled him with this big Oklahoma City story.

02:52:17.000 It's so huge that I can't even put it into words.

02:52:21.000 Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.

02:52:24.000 There's another headline here that's even stronger.

02:52:27.000 Nichols says bombing was FBI-op.

02:52:29.000 A bunch of new developments in the first 30 minutes of the show today with the attorney who interviewed for a day and a half.

02:52:39.000 That's Jesse Trinidad.

02:52:40.000 He interviewed for a day and a half Terry Nichols.

02:52:45.000 And the sealed affidavit, the media was able to see the sealed affidavit before it got sealed.

02:52:52.000 And, of course, the newspapers, I talked to Mr. Trinidad off air, didn't put one-tenth of the really hardcore stuff.

02:53:00.000 Just what we know is a whitewash.

02:53:01.000 Now he's restricted from going into the day and a half of interviews and the deposition he took from him.

02:53:08.000 But he did bring out a little bit more about how they were staging these bank robberies as part of a government black-off, how he worked for a Pentagon assassination hit squad.

02:53:17.000 It was just a totally staged event.

02:53:19.000 Bombs inside the building, the whole nine yards.

02:53:23.000 And Paul Watson's written two reports today on this.

02:53:27.000 We've got the reports on the autopsy of his brother who matched someone else who they hung in his cell.

02:53:33.000 Imagine the real guy they thought he was got hung in the cell after they caught him, but first they killed Trinity's brother.

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02:53:46.000 I want to say good job to my team getting this all set up, and good job to Paul Watson.

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02:55:38.000 I was on Coast to Coast AM last night.

02:55:40.000 George Norrie wants me to go to the prison with him if we're able to get him.

02:55:44.000 But the feds have said they blocked it in the past.

02:55:46.000 We'll see what happens to visit with Terry Nichols.

02:55:48.000 I might be back on tonight or tomorrow night.

02:55:50.000 I don't know.

02:55:51.000 We're trying to get Trinidad to go on, but he's exhausted.

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