Alex Jones Show - 20071011_Thu_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:44.000 Welcome.

00:00:45.000 There have been new big developments in the Ed and Elaine Brown case.

00:00:51.000 In the last few minutes, the feds ended a Press conference that was not carried by local radio or TV that we could find.

00:00:59.000 We are waiting for either individuals that were at the press conference, local patriots, local members of the truth community to call into this show to let us know what happened.

00:01:09.000 We're waiting for the mainstream media to file stories on what the feds reportedly said, The local TV stations generally post later file reports with snippets from the news conferences, so you will be assured that in the next three hours during this transmission, we will detail exactly what happened to them.

00:01:28.000 We know this.

00:01:30.000 At around 7.30 Eastern last night, the Feds in over 40 SUVs descended on the Browns' home.

00:01:40.000 They claim that no violence took place.

00:01:43.000 The neighbors say they didn't hear shots.

00:01:44.000 That sounds like, that's the way I figured the feds would take them if they were successful, quote, local patriots visiting them that were able to get in, that the feds opened the roadblocks for, would then draw down on them, taser them from behind, beat them from behind, you know, put guns to their heads and apprehend them that way.

00:02:03.000 I do not yet know if that is the case, but I'd say there's about a 90% chance that that is the case.

00:02:09.000 We hope that's the case because they could have actually been violent with them with firearms and then just told the neighbors to lie or the neighbors may not have heard the gunshots if they were inside watching television.

00:02:21.000 We don't know exactly what happened.

00:02:24.000 The AP, Reuters, the local newspapers are reporting a tense five-month standoff ended peacefully last night when U.S.

00:02:31.000 Marshals took custody of Convicted tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown at their Plainfield home, authorities announced.

00:02:38.000 We had no identification that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender.

00:02:41.000 U.S.

00:02:41.000 Marshal Stephen Monnier said in a statement, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome.

00:02:48.000 That day was today.

00:02:51.000 The arrest occurred without incident around 745.

00:02:54.000 He said, high-profile situations like this are always difficult, but they don't have to be tragic.

00:03:00.000 I'm glad no one was injured and that the community remained safe throughout the operation, Monnier said.

00:03:05.000 The Browns were turned over to the U.S.

00:03:06.000 Bureau of Prisons last night and will begin serving their 63-month federal prison term, Monnier said, in June.

00:03:13.000 He said the Browns would eventually be charged with obstruction of justice for resisting arrest.

00:03:18.000 Now, this is stuff he said last night.

00:03:23.000 This came out in the early morning hours.

00:03:26.000 This Boston Globe report is nine hours old.

00:03:29.000 So I guess that came out about 2 or 3 in the morning.

00:03:32.000 Were you at the press conference there at the federal courthouse?

00:03:38.000 Have you seen local news reports?

00:03:39.000 Because, again, there's too much for us to keep track of here.

00:03:42.000 Specifically, if you have documented evidence of what they said at the press conference that we don't even know took place an hour ago.

00:03:49.000 They said they would do it last night.

00:03:51.000 Were you there in Plainfield?

00:03:52.000 Can you call in right now?

00:03:53.000 Please, don't call in.

00:03:56.000 About any other subject right now, I want to know about this.

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00:08:08.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 I've been a little busy today. - I'm sorry, babe.

00:08:23.000 Because I found out that somebody in the chain of custody in Austin or in New York ripped off a copy of Endgame and we're starting to put it up on the web.

00:08:33.000 I guess they mean well, but that will really devastate us here if someone does that.

00:08:38.000 I mean, we put this stuff out for free, but first we've got to sell a few DVDs and have it for members, folks, in higher quality.

00:08:44.000 So I've been busy dealing with that, scrabbling around.

00:08:47.000 And don't worry, it's been taken down, folks.

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00:08:51.000 It had been up a few hours before I caught it.

00:08:54.000 I mean, stuff like that happens, there won't be a film to come.

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00:08:57.000 We're that close to the margin of being able to operate here.

00:09:05.000 But that's a side issue.

00:09:08.000 Whoever does that, or whoever's got copies, if I catch you distributing copies before it comes out, I'm going to come after you.

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00:09:18.000 I spent 14 months, and let's just say, Well over what Terror Storm cost.

00:09:24.000 I don't even want to say how much.

00:09:27.000 I have exhausted my limited treasury making Endgame.

00:09:27.000 Okay?

00:09:32.000 And I need to make money back so I can make another film.

00:09:39.000 Anyways, I was just enraged early this morning to discover this.

00:09:44.000 Totally enraged.

00:09:45.000 And then I was very upset to hear about what happened to the Browns.

00:09:54.000 We've got Dave Mustang of Megadeth coming up later because he's gone totally anti-New World Order.

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00:10:02.000 Ron Paul will be on with us in the second hour today as well.

00:10:06.000 We have two notoriously sketchy guests popping in, and I'm sure one of them will.

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00:10:29.000 That's from 25-1 four months ago, ladies and gentlemen.

00:10:33.000 That trajectory gives him victory of the growth rate continues.

00:10:36.000 But in the first segment I was saying, we couldn't find the newscast online.

00:10:44.000 We couldn't find the press conference by the feds.

00:10:47.000 Paul Watson did.

00:10:49.000 It's up on PrisonPlanet.com right now.

00:10:52.000 Paul Watson was able to find the press conference, he was able to find the reports.

00:10:59.000 And so, oh, Steve Watson was as well, so it's up on Infowars.net, that's Infowars.net, originating at Infowars.net, and on PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.com right now.

00:11:13.000 Browns were duped by Trojan horse marshals posing as supporters, open door policy allowed officials, You mean Feds to walk in and arrest Ed and Elaine Brown.

00:11:25.000 Tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown were tricked by U.S.

00:11:28.000 Marshals who entered their home yesterday afternoon posing as supporters.

00:11:31.000 And I kept saying that.

00:11:33.000 I mean, you know, you'll have the Browns with 20 people around them.

00:11:36.000 That pistol in your belt meant nothing.

00:11:38.000 And they're just going to pull it out and pistol whip you and it's going to be the end of it.

00:11:41.000 Remember I said 10 minutes ago there's a 90% chance that's what happened.

00:11:45.000 Well, here it is.

00:11:47.000 Tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown were tricked by U.S.

00:11:49.000 Marshals who entered their home yesterday afternoon posing as supporters.

00:11:53.000 The Marshals entered the house at a time when there were no other supporters present and catching the Browns off guard were able to arrest them and remove them from the property. 0.70

00:12:03.000 As we reported earlier this morning the speculation was the Browns were infiltrated and tricked before violently subdued as authorities refused to provide any details behind their arrest beside the fact that they did not peacefully surrender.

00:12:17.000 And it still goes on, but it has now been reported by WMUR News that, here's the quotes from the federal marshals, and we'll go to Paul Watson, let's see if we can get Steve on because he saw this.

00:12:31.000 Ultimately, and then go up to Infowars.net right now for me, John, go ahead and grab that newscast.

00:12:37.000 Ultimately, the open-door policy that they seemed to have, which allowed the Browns to have some supporters bring them supplies, welcome followers, and even host a picnic, this proved to be their undoing.

00:12:49.000 They invited us in, we escorted them out.

00:12:53.000 That's exactly how it happened.

00:12:55.000 A small team of marshals pulled off the ruse Assisting the Browns without incident on the couple's front porch, Monnier told local press.

00:13:07.000 Reports are suggesting that weapons had been seized at the property, including explosive devices, booby traps, which were placed in the woods.

00:13:13.000 Monnier added the Browns may face further charges relating to the weapons.

00:13:17.000 Monnier also added that officials, officials, authorities, we're the slaves and servants, Paul Watson, thank you for coming on with us.

00:13:25.000 Do we have Paul Watson?

00:13:26.000 Call him back.

00:13:27.000 warned that any further supporters' actions at this time could result in federal charges.

00:13:31.000 And it goes on.

00:13:33.000 Paul Watson, thank you for coming on with us.

00:13:36.000 Do we have Paul Watson?

00:13:44.000 Call him back.

00:13:46.000 All right.

00:13:49.000 I guess we lost the line to England, because I know he and his brother have been working more on this in the last 45 minutes, so we will get him on to, again, give us his take on what's happening there.

00:14:03.000 or So, top story on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.net right now.

00:14:10.000 Browns were duped by Trojan Horse Marshals posing as supporters.

00:14:15.000 This is up right now.

00:14:19.000 On Infowars.net.

00:14:22.000 The problem here is that they had massive support, and everyone was against the Feds going in and murdering them, Waco style. 0.71

00:14:30.000 But then when the Browns started saying, well, we're shooting into the woods and we see movement, well, what if a family was coming in to support them, or a neighbor, or somebody walking their dog?

00:14:39.000 There's houses, you know, 100 yards away, 200 yards away.

00:14:42.000 That's not proper firearm safety.

00:14:46.000 And the police, if they were just randomly shooting into the woods, we'd call for their arrest.

00:14:51.000 It's unsafe.

00:14:54.000 And you can't do that, especially when you're inviting people onto your property.

00:14:58.000 Now, they made the announcement that anybody coming on their property is going to be shot at before we know who you are.

00:15:04.000 Then, it would still be very negligent.

00:15:06.000 But, I mean, what are you supposed to say and do?

00:15:09.000 That's when I had to say, look, I advise people not to go out there on the property.

00:15:12.000 I've been saying that for a couple of months now.

00:15:14.000 And people are like, why aren't you supporting the first and second picnics?

00:15:19.000 I'm like, this isn't a picnic, folks.

00:15:21.000 This is people out there with .50 caliber rifles that are saying they're going to kill anybody that comes on the property.

00:15:27.000 Joe, it's now a war zone.

00:15:29.000 You don't have families out there running around eating hamburgers.

00:15:33.000 I'm not going to send people somewhere where they can get killed.

00:15:36.000 I said, if men want to go out there, that's your business. 0.99

00:15:39.000 And I said, we ought to have press conferences and get attention.

00:15:41.000 And I commend Randy Weaver, in fact, let's try to get him to pop in today, for going up there and trying to bring attention to this so it could end peacefully.

00:15:50.000 But the feds are in the wrong here.

00:15:54.000 They are private mercenaries.

00:15:55.000 That's the fact.

00:15:57.000 But then the Browns did a series of things, no doubt being advised by feds.

00:16:04.000 I mean, if you go to a militia meeting, you go to any of these things, half of them are feds there.

00:16:08.000 And you'll know who the feds are because they'll be calling for violence.

00:16:11.000 Or trying to sell you some army surplus they got a good deal on.

00:16:16.000 It's going to be stolen equipment.

00:16:17.000 You're going to go to jail.

00:16:19.000 I mean, they've got the... I see this over and over and over again.

00:16:23.000 And I just thank God the Browns weren't killed, that no Feds were killed so they could turn them into martyrs. 0.98

00:16:29.000 Oh, we now have Paul Watson back.

00:16:31.000 Paul, are you there?

00:16:33.000 You've been able to see the newscast, read more of the reports that just now came out.

00:16:33.000 Yes.

00:16:37.000 It's up on prisonplanet.com right now.

00:16:39.000 Anything I didn't cover that you've discovered?

00:16:43.000 I haven't seen the newscast, Alex.

00:16:44.000 They were going to have it streamed live on WMUR.

00:16:50.000 New Hampshire 9 TV station website but then they changed the location so it wasn't streamed live but they're saying it's going to be up on their website soon so I haven't seen it but what we do... We just now got it so we'll IM it to you so you can post it in your brother's report on InfoWars.net but go ahead.

00:17:09.000 Yeah we just got all the press reports that came out about an hour and a half ago.

00:17:17.000 So I was up on the prison planet about, you know, an hour ago.

00:17:22.000 So, yeah, basically they, they, uh, as we predicted earlier, because obviously I woke up and learned that they'd been arrested.

00:17:31.000 So a lot of times the best information that you can get when nothing's being reported on something is by going to the message board.

00:17:41.000 So I went to the prison planet message board and people were speculating that You know, because Ed Brown had said he would fight to the death rather than surrender, how was it possible for the Marshals to go in and peacefully, as we're told, arrest them?

00:17:58.000 So, obviously, the logical conclusion was that they posed as supporters and just went in there as a Trojan horse, and it turns out that that's exactly what happened.

00:18:09.000 Well, I mean, that was obvious.

00:18:10.000 If the Feds wanted to get the Browns, when they had those 300 people on their property, I'll bet bottom dollar there were 20 marshals and FBI there then.

00:18:19.000 And they've had FBI coming in in overalls, posing as hillbillies, and then openly saying, I'm FBI, you, you, you, you, you, Constitution Rangers are wimps.

00:18:30.000 I mean, it's just total fed up.

00:18:33.000 And a lot of the people getting them rounds to shoot their mouths off about violence no doubt were feds, and we've tracked that back.

00:18:39.000 And I'm just so tired of watching patriots fall into traps, but I'm just glad that they weren't able to go in there and murder all of them.

00:18:49.000 Yeah, I thought the Feds wanted to have this quiet down and try to end this peacefully until they flew the helicopter low for eight hours at 30 feet before they shot people with tasers, shot at Danny Reilly.

00:19:02.000 And then now this seems like a de-escalation that they didn't cap them.

00:19:06.000 And I think that's because the Marshals are genuinely worried about people coming after them.

00:19:11.000 And that is the safer move and the right move to not bust a cap in both of them, as we know the Feds are apt to do.

00:19:17.000 Anything else, Paul Watson?

00:19:20.000 Uh, just that people are still asking questions which haven't been answered about, you know, if they were violently subdued because the U.S.

00:19:29.000 Marshal Monnier admitted that they had not surrendered, which suggests that they at least put up some resistance.

00:19:36.000 So people are asking questions about how they were subdued before their actual arrest.

00:19:41.000 But we don't know what happened yet.

00:19:44.000 I can tell you what happened.

00:19:45.000 You got about five people around the Browns, all of a sudden they pull guns out and Sharpest are whipping them.

00:19:52.000 Alright, Paul stay there.

00:19:54.000 I've got one or two other questions for you on the other side.

00:19:57.000 We'll be right back, right here on the Houston Radio Network.

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00:24:03.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:24:10.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:24:13.000 We've got some of the press conference.

00:24:21.000 It's been posted up on prisonplanet.com.

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00:24:39.000 And we've got one of the people that's most angry about this coming on in the next segment.

00:24:43.000 Then Ron Paul, then Dave Mustaine of Megadeth.

00:24:46.000 Yes, it's a big show lined up for you today.

00:24:50.000 But going back to Paul Watson, As bad as this is, Paul, this is better than a shootout.

00:24:57.000 It's better than federal martyrs.

00:24:58.000 It's better than the Browns being martyrs.

00:25:02.000 Now we've got to make sure they don't get railroaded too badly, but they're in the clutches of the authorities, the officials, the gods.

00:25:10.000 What do you think of this whole saga?

00:25:14.000 Well, I mean, they live to fight another day, but, you know, it's 63 months in prison.

00:25:20.000 No doubt they're going to Keep on a bunch of other charges, because now they're already, the Monier was out saying that they'd found explosives and high-caliber weapons and that the whole property was booby-trapped.

00:25:35.000 So no doubt that 63-month prison sentence is just, you know, just for starters, but obviously it's a relief that it didn't end in bloodshed.

00:25:47.000 Maybe it's a portent for how they'll treat similar cases in the future.

00:25:53.000 And if there are more Ed and Elaine Browns out there, you know, if there are so many, then it gets to a point where they can't keep track of everyone.

00:26:02.000 So their example stands out as a shining light to everyone.

00:26:06.000 And the courage that they displayed throughout the whole standoff was admirable.

00:26:14.000 Their courage is admirable.

00:26:17.000 But I wish they wouldn't have let themselves be set up. 0.97

00:26:22.000 Because there's no doubt that the feds were in there trying to provocateur and get them to shoot their mouths off.

00:26:29.000 And there's no doubt now that they fell into that trap.

00:26:32.000 Because if they would have been peaceful in their statements all along, there wouldn't be all these added added charges now cascading down onto them.

00:26:41.000 And I would love to say the feds made up the pipe bombs, but because they've been caught doing it and admitted on the stand, they buried pipe bombs on people's property before and framed a lot of people.

00:26:51.000 We've had Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, former head of the FBI crime lab, on years ago to talk about how they frame people.

00:26:56.000 But when Brown and others were openly shooting their mouths off about this, let me tell you, it was not helpful for those of us that were trying to de-escalate the situation.

00:27:07.000 situation.

00:27:07.000 Thank you.

00:27:09.000 Well, no, and the Fed seized on that for intimidation purposes after they started arresting the Browns' supporters because of this violent rhetoric, so yeah, they could have played it differently in that sense, and obviously the dwindling amount of supporters Well, they wouldn't even let the media in anymore, and that's just plain stupid. 0.90

00:27:30.000 You always want to get people to keep talking.

00:27:33.000 Without that intimidation, a lot of people stopped going to their aid.

00:27:37.000 So that could have played out differently.

00:27:39.000 Well, they wouldn't even let the media in anymore. 1.00

00:27:42.000 And that's just plain stupid. 0.99

00:27:44.000 You always want to get people to keep talking. 1.00

00:27:46.000 Well, yeah.

00:27:49.000 But, I mean, you've obviously got to look at it from their perspective.

00:27:53.000 If you've been holed up there in their home for that amount of time with all the threats flying around, then you're going to get paranoid.

00:28:02.000 And that's going to, you know, affect your thinking and affect your strategy.

00:28:07.000 So I just look at them as being incredibly courageous, but relieved in the sense that it didn't end in a Waco 2.

00:28:16.000 But now they live to fight another day after they eventually get out of prison.

00:28:25.000 Well, I think they're going to be in prison a long time.

00:28:27.000 We need to make sure that they get support in a proper defense.

00:28:35.000 I mean, they're going to try to put all sorts of sentences on them now because of statements that were made and things that were done.

00:28:46.000 But I'll be interested to find out who was posing as patriots all along and was really FBI and federal marshals.

00:28:53.000 In all these newscasts and clips, I'm trying to read through them, Paul, do we know how many people first subdued them before all the hundreds of police came on the scene?

00:29:02.000 All it says is a small team of marshals, so I'm guessing, you know, three, four, five.

00:29:08.000 Because if they get a big group of guys walking up to the house, obviously they're going to get suspicious, so I don't think it would have been any more than four or five individuals, maximum.

00:29:23.000 Well, I tell you, a lot of bravery on both sides.

00:29:27.000 Because usually the feds would just burn the building down in the past, like they tried at Ruby Ridge, like they did at Waco, because they're too scared to actually get up close to their quarry.

00:29:38.000 So while I despise the feds for their criminal actions, I am at least glad they didn't kill them, and I'm glad they didn't burn the place down. 0.96

00:29:47.000 They'd be true cowards. 0.96

00:29:51.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run. 0.97

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00:34:07.000 New revelations and attack on American spy ships.

00:34:10.000 Veterans documents suggest U.S.

00:34:12.000 Israel didn't tell the full story of the deadly 1967 incident.

00:34:18.000 That is out of the Boston Baltimore Sun.

00:34:22.000 That is also a Boston Globe story here.

00:34:25.000 Another one out of the Chicago Tribune.

00:34:29.000 New revelations of an attack on an American spy ship.

00:34:31.000 Veterans documents suggest U.S.

00:34:33.000 Israel didn't tell the full story of the deadly 1967 incident.

00:34:39.000 And it continues that Bryce Lockwood, Marine Staff Sergeant, Russian language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for heroism, ordained Baptist minister, is shouting into the phone, I'm angry!

00:34:53.000 I'm seething with anger.

00:34:54.000 Forty years and I'm still seething with anger.

00:34:58.000 Lockwood was aboard the USS Liberty, the most highly decorated U.S.

00:35:01.000 history, I would add, a super-secret spy ship on station in the eastern Mediterranean when four Israeli fighter jets flew out of the afternoon sun to strafe bomb and then the virtually defenseless vessel on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of what would become known as the Six-Day War.

00:35:01.000 ship in U.S.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, they attacked with Mirage, they attacked with Daesan missile re-bombers, they attacked with patrol boats, they attacked and attacked and attacked and attacked for hour after hour.

00:35:31.000 And now there have been some big new developments.

00:35:35.000 Now we've interviewed admirals involved, and we've interviewed the judge advocate generals involved, and those who were told to whitewash the whole thing.

00:35:41.000 We've interviewed so many people, many of them have died now.

00:35:44.000 The captain of the ship, and we've interviewed Admiral Thomas More, later to become Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:35:51.000 We've interviewed so many.

00:35:54.000 Really, I've been interviewing people for 10 years, but this has been going on for 40.

00:35:57.000 And joining us is that individual who was in the Chicago Tribune and other papers around the country, and who was on that ship 40 years ago.

00:36:07.000 Bryce Lockwood.

00:36:09.000 Sir, I appreciate your service to this country, and I appreciate your continuing to honor those that died that day and those that were wounded that day by speaking out.

00:36:18.000 Thank you, sir.

00:36:21.000 Instead of me getting into these new revelations, if you could, just set the table for those that don't know what happened with the Liberty in a few minutes, and then walk through the denials, the attacks on the heroes, those that have spoken out, and then what this new info means.

00:36:35.000 Well, basically, the new info is transcripts of voice intercept tapes that were taken by both a Navy airborne collection platform and an Air Force airborne collection platform.

00:36:49.000 National Security Agency had denied for years that they had the tapes, and yet here they turned up under a Freedom of Information Act after 40 years has expired.

00:37:00.000 They're pretty damning.

00:37:02.000 The Israelis clearly identify the ship as American and attacked it anyway. 0.99

00:37:08.000 And this is outside Israeli waters, in international waters, in the Mediterranean?

00:37:12.000 We were about 13.7 miles off the Sinai coast when we were attacked.

00:37:19.000 There are some of us now that think the primary reason for Israel attacking us, they had captured an entire Egyptian brigade, somewhere in excess of 850 men.

00:37:31.000 Forced them to dig their own graves.

00:37:33.000 Many of them had their hands bound behind them after they dug their graves and were massacred by the Israelis on June 8, 1967.

00:37:41.000 With Ariel Sharon overseeing the operation?

00:37:44.000 I understand that, yes.

00:37:46.000 And here comes the US spy ship.

00:37:49.000 Now we've got a problem.

00:37:51.000 Now, that's the report I always got from the admirals and the captain and people ten years ago.

00:37:56.000 Over time, though, most of the heroes of the Liberty also believed that there was a plan to then go ahead and blame it on Egypt and then escalate the war.

00:38:07.000 That is quite likely.

00:38:10.000 We don't know all the details.

00:38:12.000 There is a... Operation Cyanide messages were passed between Washington, D.C.

00:38:19.000 and the captain of the ship.

00:38:22.000 Captain McGonigal.

00:38:23.000 They were labeled Captain's Eyes Only.

00:38:27.000 Just the very label, Operation Cyanide, sends a chill through your veins.

00:38:36.000 We don't know what that was all about.

00:38:38.000 There's been some speculation.

00:38:40.000 There was a Scottish reporter that wrote a book on Operation Cyanide on a Liberty attack.

00:38:46.000 And that was pretty much his premise.

00:38:48.000 By the way, a people who knew what cyanide was will start talking about it and then die within hours of heart attacks.

00:38:57.000 That's a possibility, I'd say.

00:38:59.000 Well, we've seen that.

00:39:00.000 Every time it comes up, it's a very dangerous subject.

00:39:02.000 And I know that McGonigal wouldn't talk very much about that.

00:39:07.000 Captain McGonigal, I firmly believe he very much deserved the Medal of Honor for his entire conduct Throughout the attack and until Admiral Kidd came aboard.

00:39:22.000 From the time that Admiral Kidd joined the ship before she even reached Malta, a lid was clamped on everything.

00:39:29.000 We were ordered not to talk about it.

00:39:32.000 Captain McGonigal was in his last cruise.

00:39:36.000 He was going to be forced to retire after this cruise where Liberty was attacked.

00:39:42.000 Suddenly he's awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

00:39:46.000 He's promoted to full captain and given his choice of duty.

00:39:51.000 And it sure sounds to me and many of the other crewmen that the captain was paid off to keep quiet.

00:39:57.000 Absolutely.

00:39:58.000 Now walk through specifically, and again we're talking to USS Liberty hero and survivor Bryce Lockwood.

00:40:04.000 Bryce is a young Marine officer on that ship.

00:40:07.000 What were you doing?

00:40:09.000 I was a Russian linguist until I was enlisted.

00:40:11.000 I was not an officer.

00:40:13.000 But I was a Russian linguist, and that was my primary responsibility.

00:40:18.000 There was a group of Soviet Tu-95s stationed at Alexandria, Egypt.

00:40:24.000 And the Soviets had pretty well told the world that they were manned by United Arab Republic crews.

00:40:29.000 They weren't.

00:40:30.000 They were manned by Soviets in United Arab Republic uniforms.

00:40:37.000 And our job was to locate By radio, those Soviet aircraft, and to get the goods on them if we could.

00:40:47.000 Incidentally, just seconds before the torpedo struck, my watch relief was a gentleman by the name of Jim Lupton.

00:40:55.000 Jim comes excitedly into the processing and reporting area, and he says, Hey Sarge, I got them, I got them!

00:41:01.000 I said, Got who, Jim?

00:41:02.000 He said, I got the Ruskies!

00:41:03.000 I said, You're kidding!

00:41:04.000 He said, No man, I got them, plain language!

00:41:07.000 And within Just a matter of seconds the torpedo struck and killed him.

00:41:13.000 So you guys didn't know you'd already been approached by torpedo boats.

00:41:16.000 The captain saw their attack angle and was already trying to take evasive action.

00:41:20.000 If he wouldn't have, no doubt, you would have been completely destroyed.

00:41:23.000 Can you describe, because the media always waters it down and says a few planes dropped a few bombs lovingly on you.

00:41:29.000 Can you walk through why it's the most decorated ship in U.S.

00:41:32.000 history?

00:41:34.000 Well, a few bombs.

00:41:36.000 There were 840 large caliber strikes on the ship.

00:41:42.000 A couple of those were napalm that destroyed all of our life rafts.

00:41:50.000 There was nothing left of the life rafts but shreds from the napalm.

00:41:55.000 The torpedo boats, there were over 3,100 large caliber machine gun strikes.

00:41:59.000 50 caliber machine gun strikes Actually, I think they say they're a 30mm cannon, but it's about equivalent to the American .50 caliber machine gun bullet.

00:42:15.000 She was riddled!

00:42:17.000 And for the Israelis to say it was a case of mistaken identity just flies in the face of anyone that's ever been at sea.

00:42:27.000 We had home markings on there, GTR5.

00:42:30.000 Before you fire the ship at sea, you look up on Jane's Fighting Ships and find out the target that you're firing on.

00:42:38.000 It would be just like walking downtown with a pistol in your hand and finding a cop and throwing his head away and then claim, well, I thought he was robbing a bank.

00:42:46.000 That's about the equivalent of what the Israelis were doing to us. 1.00

00:42:49.000 Go to James Fighting Ships, look that number up, GTR-5, it will say in there, Auxiliary, which means she's a non-combatant, General Technical Research, in the fifth ship of her class, the newest and most modern of her class.

00:43:02.000 Well, what, five, six years ago, an Israeli pilot came out and admitted that three times he refused to fire, and they said go ahead and do it, so that was, you know, open and shut there, but now we have these communiques released.

00:43:15.000 Yes.

00:43:17.000 Or they come right out and identify it.

00:43:20.000 As an American ship.

00:43:22.000 Flying an American flag.

00:43:26.000 And talking to the others, but this is for memory, I want to make sure I'm correct, because it was a war zone, wasn't the ship flying an unusually large flag?

00:43:37.000 The flag that was flying in the initial air attack was knocked down.

00:43:43.000 Then the holiday flag was run up, which is the largest flag you have aboard ship.

00:43:50.000 I'm not exactly sure of the size, but I think it's something like 20 feet by 30 feet or 16 by 30 feet, something of that nature.

00:43:56.000 Gigantic.

00:43:57.000 Huge.

00:43:59.000 Yes.

00:44:01.000 And what did they do to the holiday flag?

00:44:03.000 Oh, riddled it with shellfire.

00:44:08.000 Riddled it with shellfire.

00:44:12.000 There's been all these defenders and debunkers who've tried to write books and tell lies and say horrible things about the vets.

00:44:19.000 And the Heroes of Liberty, boy, they really are eating crow right now!

00:44:24.000 Well, I hope they are.

00:44:26.000 But I'm sure there's still... The one in particular, Jay Kristol, incidentally, he's an admiral in the United States Navy Reserves.

00:44:35.000 He's probably retired by now.

00:44:37.000 He's the one that wrote the thesis for a doctorate from the University of Miami, and that never should have been granted because I understand that he was there for economics, and yet he wrote this thesis on the liberty of how it was an accident, quote-unquote, and got his doctorate.

00:44:56.000 That should have been withdrawn.

00:44:58.000 Now, how many hours did this now confirm deliberate attack?

00:45:01.000 This is huge news, ladies and gentlemen.

00:45:03.000 How long did they accidentally bomb the ship?

00:45:06.000 Somewhere around two hours.

00:45:09.000 Some say more than that, some say a little less than that.

00:45:11.000 I think, actually, from the time that the first shot was fired until the last shot was fired, was very close to two hours.

00:45:22.000 You know, sometimes when we have a news story this big on air, I don't have words to describe just how important it is.

00:45:29.000 This has been a 40-year fight for justice.

00:45:32.000 Here it is, out in the open, NSA aircraft intercepts, Can you specifically go through more of, and you know, plus you were trained in intercepting different intercepts, so you're specifically the perfect guest for this, not just one of the heroes and victims of this, but also you're an expert in intercepts.

00:45:50.000 Can you speak to us how these are intercepted, why they're so important?

00:45:57.000 Well, the Israelis had a nuclear weapon, and I suppose were threatening to use it.

00:46:06.000 And the Soviets had, excuse me, an ICBM submarine off Israel loaded with nuclear weapons.

00:46:18.000 There's a book out about that.

00:46:21.000 I think the number of the submarine was SB-151, but I may be wrong on that.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:46:29.000 But the captain of that submarine was ordered, if Israel uses the nuclear weapons, incinerate it.

00:46:37.000 So here is the makings of World War III right on the doorstep.

00:46:44.000 And for anyone with a lick of common sense to think that we're not going to make sure we've got all the bases covered is rather presumptuous.

00:46:53.000 We had Air Force reconnaissance planes, we had Navy reconnaissance planes, we had the USS Liberty making sure that all the bases were covered, that if any information was out there of impending hostilities it would Border on World War 3.

00:47:07.000 We need to know about it.

00:47:10.000 Because it's World War 3!

00:47:11.000 You'd want to know about that.

00:47:13.000 You're... Well, I started using X-Men.

00:47:17.000 So, all this is being recorded, probably more tapes than just these aircraft, obviously.

00:47:23.000 You've got the big hot zone in the world at that time, a major war going.

00:47:27.000 Now, what about hours later when the Israeli commando helicopters show up with commandos on board In their assault gear, a lot of the other heroes of the Liberty and officers believe that it was the Russian spy ship observing this that did finally cause the Israelis to abort because they knew the Russians would report that.

00:47:45.000 There was a Russian destroyer that had been shadowing us our entire trip from the time we left the road to Spain until we were on station.

00:47:52.000 There was a Soviet destroyer that was shadowing us.

00:47:55.000 And it's quite obvious that they were keeping an eye on things and listening in also.

00:48:00.000 As a matter of fact, they were one of the first ones to offer us aid, which the captain refused.

00:48:08.000 I heard the helicopters come over.

00:48:10.000 I did not actually see them myself, but I heard the helicopters coming over, and I was lying on the deck in the radio room.

00:48:18.000 Every transmitting antenna we had had been destroyed.

00:48:22.000 A couple of Commander Lewis's, he was the operations officer, Commander Lewis, A couple of his men went up topside.

00:48:29.000 Terry Halbardi was one of them.

00:48:31.000 I forget who the other is off the top of my head right now.

00:48:33.000 And strung a long wire while these torpedo boats are riddling the ship with machine gun fire.

00:48:39.000 If that's not bravery, I don't know what is.

00:48:42.000 Came back down in the radio room and got a mayday off.

00:48:45.000 And I was there listening to it.

00:48:47.000 Firefox!

00:48:48.000 This is Rockstar!

00:48:49.000 Rockstar under attack by unidentified surface and naval air units.

00:48:53.000 Require immediate assistance.

00:48:55.000 And as soon as the carrier Saratoga acknowledged it and said help is on the way, the shooting stopped.

00:49:02.000 I say it stopped.

00:49:04.000 I saw three sailors carrying the old World War II cork life rafts.

00:49:10.000 We had three of those inside the ship.

00:49:13.000 They were taking those to put over the side and get the most seriously wounded off onto them.

00:49:20.000 I saw them go through the radio room, over to the port side of the ship.

00:49:28.000 I heard an engine rev up.

00:49:30.000 And more machine gun fire, and I found out later that the Israeli torpedo boats had riddled those life rafts and carried off what was left of them.

00:49:39.000 Now see, I've been told that by the admirals, by the first mates, by the doctor, and then I get attacked by the news media saying I just made that up.

00:49:49.000 That they didn't shoot up the life rafts.

00:49:54.000 Well, I heard the shooting.

00:49:55.000 I didn't actually witness it first hand.

00:49:57.000 But I've interviewed the people that did, and they're on record too, and the media just lies and lies and says we're liars.

00:50:04.000 You gotta protect Israel. 0.74

00:50:08.000 This is incredible.

00:50:09.000 What are they going to do that now all these NSA intercepts have been released that the Israelis were identifying it as a U.S.

00:50:15.000 ship anew?

00:50:17.000 I'm pissed about their attack on Lebanon last year.

00:50:21.000 There was no call for that.

00:50:24.000 Literally thousands of Lebanese were killed and the entire country of Lebanon destroyed by the Israelis.

00:50:30.000 Because two Israeli soldiers were captured?

00:50:34.000 Give me a break! 1.00

00:50:35.000 It's unbelievable.

00:50:38.000 Stay there, sir.

00:50:39.000 We're going to come right back to you after a couple of minutes.

00:50:39.000 We've got a break.

00:50:41.000 Bruce Lockwood, he was in the Marines on that ship, in the spy box, down in the ship, seeing all this unfold 40 years ago, and now the truth's come out.

00:50:54.000 We'll be right back when the truth is exactly what these heroes said it was.

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00:54:00.000 Bryce Lockwood, Marine Staff Sergeant, Russian language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for Heroism.

00:54:24.000 ordained Baptist minister is our guest.

00:54:28.000 He was on the Liberty 40 years ago.

00:54:30.000 I've got the Chicago Tribune here in front of me, and it's got the Chicago Tribune, one of their experts who, you know, deciphers Israeli, who's Israeli himself, reading it, and he's just going over, listening to the tapes.

00:54:48.000 And it says it's an American ship, just as the pilot years ago had said.

00:54:54.000 And they're told, but it's Americans.

00:54:57.000 And they're told, no, go ahead and attack it.

00:55:00.000 And we're going to read part of this transcript coming up in the next hour.

00:55:07.000 Now, if it can be shown that American naval officers and politicians knew about all this beforehand, which we know in Executive Session they did, I think there needs to be criminal charges against them.

00:55:17.000 I mean, this is covering up war crimes.

00:55:20.000 This is becoming accessories after the fact.

00:55:22.000 Is it not, sir?

00:55:24.000 Yes.

00:55:26.000 Your phone just got a gigantic hum on it.

00:55:28.000 Did you switch phones?

00:55:29.000 Uh, no.

00:55:31.000 I'm not calling for the best phone I've got in the house.

00:55:33.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:34.000 You can just get closer to the jack, sir.

00:55:34.000 That's okay.

00:55:35.000 I apologize.

00:55:37.000 I'm having to stop you.

00:55:37.000 Go ahead.

00:55:39.000 We were talking during the break, what are some of the other key points that need to be made here about war crimes?

00:55:44.000 The machining of life rafts, machine gunning of life rafts, machine gunning of stretcher bearers and first aid personnel while they were trying to rescue wounded, the use of napalm, the ignoring of internationally recognized Signs of friendly ships at sea.

00:56:13.000 All of those are major war crimes. 0.63

00:56:16.000 The USS Liberty Veterans Association, through legal counsel, retired Navy Admiral Merlin Starring, and another retired Navy Admiral by the name of Mark Hill, drew up the war crimes charges for the Liberty Veterans Association and they were presented formally On June the 8th of 2005.

00:56:42.000 It is the duty of the Secretary of the Army to investigate any war crimes charges that are brought by United States citizens or military personnel.

00:56:51.000 By the way, the guys writing it up have been at the highest levels of the naval JAG hierarchy.

00:56:57.000 Yes.

00:56:58.000 Yes.

00:56:59.000 You've seen the... I'm sure you've seen the show... Many of your listeners have seen the show JAG.

00:57:05.000 It used to run on CBS.

00:57:07.000 This is a guy with a big, broad, gold stripes on his sleeve.

00:57:11.000 The head JAG officer.

00:57:13.000 Merlin starring Admiral Merlin starring.

00:57:16.000 And the Secretary of the Army has ignored those war crimes charges.

00:57:21.000 It is his duty, under public law, to investigate them.

00:57:25.000 But they can't do it!

00:57:26.000 They can't do it now!

00:57:27.000 The NSA intercepts have been released!

00:57:32.000 Well, he certainly should, all the same.

00:57:35.000 Well, we still have some survivors around.

00:57:37.000 There ought to be an investigation made by Congress.

00:57:41.000 They have never investigated it.

00:57:43.000 In spite of all of the Israeli backers stating, oh, there's been 15 investigations, there's been 17 investigations.

00:57:53.000 No, there was only one.

00:57:54.000 Sorry.

00:57:56.000 There was only one investigation, and that was the one conducted by the Admiral Kidd Court.

00:58:02.000 And the conclusions were predetermined by the Johnson administration.

00:58:07.000 Actually, I believe Lyndon Johnson himself.

00:58:09.000 Well, Lyndon Johnson, I talked to the two admirals that heard it, came on the line and said, that Judy ship's going to the bottom before we help it. 0.99

00:58:16.000 So, I mean, there you go.

00:58:18.000 He was, he knew exactly what was going on when the aircraft carrier sent fighter jets to go save the ship.

00:58:22.000 He said, turn it around.

00:58:23.000 Did he not?

00:58:26.000 I was made a back to the carrier America.

00:58:29.000 Along with the operations officer.

00:58:31.000 Stay there, we've got a break for 70 seconds, sir.

00:58:33.000 We'll come right back and talk about that and get into this transcript.

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01:00:02.000 Huge news right now, ladies and gentlemen, out of the Chicago Tribune a few days ago.

01:00:07.000 I mentioned it, but I really wanted to save it, the story, until we got this particular gentleman on, who we haven't interviewed before.

01:00:13.000 We've interviewed much of the survivors of the crew, from first mates to doctors to admirals who took the calls from LBJ.

01:00:20.000 The NSA has released spy aircraft tapes of the Israeli pilots to ground control.

01:00:27.000 Being ordered, they're saying it's an American.

01:00:30.000 Look, attack the ship.

01:00:31.000 And that they did know from the onset of the attack in 1967, 40 years ago, what was happening.

01:00:39.000 And so joining us is Bryce Lockwood, Marine Staff Sergeant, Russian language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for Heroism.

01:00:46.000 This is a short segment, so let's get into that.

01:00:48.000 I remember interviewing two of the admirals who were on the ship, took the call.

01:00:51.000 Talking to others who had talked to them about it and their admissions So but but people hear this and they still can't believe it and the two different stories are only differ in a couple of words It's either LBJ says over the phone.

01:01:04.000 I told you to recall those planes.

01:01:06.000 Don't help that ship I don't care if it goes to the GD bottom to I want that ship going to the GD bottom and those tapes of those admirals and people saying that are all on my website Now I know you were in the belly of the ship under attack in the spy box, but what happened? 0.51

01:01:22.000 Well, perhaps I should try and give you some quotes from Commander Lewis, who is the operations officer.

01:01:29.000 We were both medevac to the carrier America.

01:01:32.000 While we were there, Admiral Geist, who was commander of Sixth Fleet, called Commander Armstrong into his stateroom and swore him to secrecy.

01:01:42.000 He said, you're not to say anything about this conversation until after my death.

01:01:48.000 But I want you to know, we did our best to get rescue aircraft to you.

01:01:53.000 And then he quoted President Johnson as saying, I don't care if the GD ships sinks and every man drowns, I will not have my allies embarrassed.

01:02:02.000 Now, you were told that to your face.

01:02:05.000 No, I was not.

01:02:06.000 It was told to Commander Lewis that Commander Lewis passed it along to those of us Liberty survivors at our reunions.

01:02:13.000 Now, what about the quote I've had?

01:02:15.000 I'm going to look up which admiral it was.

01:02:16.000 I've had so many on the show that said, I want that GD ship on the bottom. 0.93

01:02:21.000 I don't want our allies.

01:02:22.000 I mean, there's a slight difference there.

01:02:25.000 Have you heard that version?

01:02:27.000 No, I've not.

01:02:27.000 Okay.

01:02:29.000 I just want to try to flesh that out a bit.

01:02:30.000 But regardless, he's saying, I don't care if it goes to Judy Bottom, I don't want to embarrass our allies, and he indeed ordered the aircraft back.

01:02:39.000 It's my understanding that Admiral McCain, Senator McCain's father, at the time was commander of U.S.

01:02:48.000 forces in Europe, U.S.

01:02:49.000 naval forces in Europe.

01:02:51.000 I believe he was at London, England at the time.

01:02:55.000 Admiral McCain is the one who ordered the aircraft back.

01:02:59.000 Admiral Geist, who was Commander Sixth Fleet, said, this is an American ship, it's under attack, I want to hear that from higher authority.

01:03:07.000 Robert McNamara told him the same thing, get those rescue aircraft back.

01:03:11.000 And Admiral Geist said, I want to exercise my authority to appeal to the highest level of command, the President of the United States, It's my understanding from the conversations between Admiral Geist and Commander Armstrong that the President told him, I don't care if the GD's ship sinks and every man drowns, I will not have my allies embarrassed.

01:03:34.000 Now think about that.

01:03:37.000 That's LBJ for ya. 1.00

01:03:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, what a traitor, what a piece of filth. 1.00

01:03:42.000 And McCain, another piece of filth. 1.00

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01:08:09.000 He said no.

01:08:10.000 In there it also said blow up a ship and blame it on enemies.

01:08:15.000 I was just curious, Bryce Lockwood, who was on board the USS Liberty and highly decorated, have you ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

01:08:23.000 No, sir.

01:08:24.000 Does it surprise you to know that that was declassified a few years ago?

01:08:29.000 No, it actually doesn't.

01:08:31.000 I have a copy of a transcript from the Kennedy years of a conversation between then General Curtis LeMay and the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General David M. Shoup.

01:08:44.000 And the conversation went something along the lines of setting up a ship to be attacked by the Soviets and blaming it on them and then precipitating a major world event. 0.85

01:08:57.000 Now, see, I didn't know that, and that's why history is so big.

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01:09:01.000 It's so huge.

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01:09:08.000 And there, I just learned from you, you just learned from me.

01:09:11.000 Yeah, Operation Northwoods, they were gonna basically carry out 9-11 style attacks, and We even have people board aircraft, but they had all sorts of stuff.

01:09:22.000 Kill astronauts, blame it on the Soviets. 0.84

01:09:25.000 Yeah, just Google Operation Northwoods, ABC News, Baltimore Sun reported on it.

01:09:29.000 Very, very interesting is all I can say.

01:09:34.000 That particular incident is news to me, but I'm certainly going to try and look that up.

01:09:41.000 I know I'm catching you off guard, but maybe after the show you can think of where it is and tell me, sir, or email me.

01:09:47.000 Where specifically can I find the head of the Air Force, who is an admitted psychopath, talking to someone else about staging events?

01:09:56.000 That was Commander of the Marine Corps, General David Shoup.

01:10:00.000 I'll have to do some digging to find that for you, Alex, but that shouldn't be that much of a problem.

01:10:05.000 I can come up with that and see to it that you get a copy.

01:10:08.000 Our folks can probably look forward to it and post it in the Prison Planet Forum.

01:10:12.000 War crimes.

01:10:13.000 Let's talk about war crimes.

01:10:14.000 We started mentioning that earlier in the segment, but now we have the transmissions of the Israelis.

01:10:19.000 I'm sitting there looking at them in the Chicago Tribune saying that, just as the pilot said years ago, that it was an American ship.

01:10:29.000 There should be a complete investigation done by Congress.

01:10:44.000 You can't get a Congressman to touch it.

01:10:48.000 I think that if you go through the records of most Congress people, where their contributions come from, they're required by law to be made public.

01:10:56.000 I think you'll be shocked at how much money our Congress people and Senators are getting from the American-Israel Political Affairs Committee.

01:11:08.000 It is absolutely shocking how much power they have.

01:11:11.000 I just found out recently, I graduated from the same college as Dr. Jerry Falwell, Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Missouri, and I was just informed recently that Jerry Falwell was paid off quite handsomely by the Israelis for his complete unquestioned backing of the State of Israel, to the tune of a Learjet aircraft worth 1.6 million dollars.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, all total, Israel's given him over 4 mil that we know of.

01:11:45.000 Jerry Falwell?

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:48.000 And it's the same thing with other preachers around the country, and Now we have known dual citizens running almost every major federal department.

01:11:59.000 It's pretty bad.

01:12:01.000 I wasn't aware that there was quite that much money that had been given to Dr. Fawlow, but that would certainly explain why he comes on television even after his death and advocates people donating $350 to get a Soviet person of Jewish extract but that would certainly explain why he comes on television even after his death and advocates people donating $350 to get a Soviet person of Travel back to Israel and set up their citizenship in Israel.

01:12:26.000 Well, you know, I've been criticized because I don't hate Israel.

01:12:29.000 I know most governments are corrupt throughout history.

01:12:32.000 I'm a Christian.

01:12:32.000 You know, I brought up a Baptist.

01:12:35.000 I'm really non-denominational now.

01:12:37.000 Excuse me for interrupting, Alex, but I don't hate Israel.

01:12:41.000 I really don't hate Israel.

01:12:45.000 I really want your listeners to make sure of that.

01:12:50.000 I think they have every right to exist.

01:12:52.000 Oh no, let me stop you, sir.

01:12:53.000 I mean, I'm agreeing with you.

01:12:55.000 I mean, I'm saying I'm brought up a Baptist, I'm brought up, you know, literally being taught to worship Israel at church, and I have Jewish friends, I know half the folks in Israel are against all these wars, but yes, it's just like we've had criminal governments, just like Germany's had bad governments, it is not a sin, and you're a pastor, and so tell me if I'm correct to say that To rebuke Israel when it's corrupt and evil. 0.85

01:13:18.000 Isn't that what all the prophets did?

01:13:20.000 Exactly.

01:13:21.000 Exactly.

01:13:23.000 And they should be rebuked very strenuously for the war crimes that they've committed against the people of Lebanon, against the United Arab Republic back in the Six Days War in 1967.

01:13:34.000 in 1967.

01:13:37.000 I don't understand why, excuse me, I'm getting some age on me now, I'm My mind gets a little fuzzy from time to time.

01:13:46.000 I can't recall who the President of Egypt was at the time of the Six Days War, but he was anxious to get back to Sinai Peninsula after the war, and there was the accords with Menachem Begin and Jimmy Carter, and the President of Egypt were all given the Nobel Peace Prize for settling

01:14:11.000 the deal over the Sinai Peninsula, which was given back to Egypt after Israel taken it during the Six Days War.

01:14:19.000 But it would just seem to me as though if I had been in negotiations, I would have brought up the deal about the massacre at El Erish and asked for an explanation on that and demanded that some people be brought to trial. - Well, I've had the weird I've had the weird spin which is now the dominant group, you know, Baptist types, tell me, okay, the Israelis did kill those people to stop them from getting the massacre news and to attack Egypt. 0.52

01:14:48.000 You're not with the Soviets and the Egyptians. 1.00

01:14:50.000 You know, Israel had to do that.

01:14:52.000 It's of the Lord.

01:14:52.000 Since when is murdering our sailors of the Lord?

01:14:55.000 That's a real good question.

01:14:57.000 I know that there are some people.

01:15:00.000 We had a discussion here in Springfield at one of the major Springfield libraries last fall.

01:15:07.000 Dr. Ray McGovern, who is a retired CIA senior officer, it was his job to brief the vice president, the secretary of state, and secretary of defense, I believe, on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Tuesday and Thursday.

01:15:24.000 It was Reagan and Bush, yeah.

01:15:26.000 It was Ray McGovern with his responsibility to brief these most senior people, the President, Hey, it's okay.

01:15:38.000 I understand there's a lot going on.

01:15:41.000 was here in Springfield and brought up the question the attack on Liberty and oh oh Alex I'm sorry just lost my train of thought hey it's okay I understand there's a lot going on looking here at the Chicago Tribune going through the transcript it has the aircraft bombing and they bomb it the first time I They've already said it's American.

01:16:08.000 They say they don't want to bomb it.

01:16:10.000 And the teletype, it says the transcript, Block remembered seeing, we're teletypists, way beyond top secret, some kind of pilots did not want to attack, Block said.

01:16:22.000 The pilot said, this is an American ship, do we still want to attack?

01:16:25.000 And the ground control came back and said, yes, follow orders.

01:16:29.000 And it goes on to say after the ship had gotten radio out, that they panicked and wanted them to finish off the job. 0.99

01:16:36.000 You know, that after you guys were able to string a wire and get the message off, that then the Israelis really panicked and said, hurry up, kill them! 0.80

01:16:45.000 I don't doubt that in the least, Alex. 0.93

01:16:50.000 Oh gosh, I'm sorry, my mind just keeps going blank.

01:16:53.000 And it says right here, it says, but sir, it's an American ship!

01:16:58.000 Some of those pilots were trained right here in the United States.

01:17:02.000 And they certainly must have had some friendships they struck up while they were going to pilot school here in the United States.

01:17:09.000 Well, here's the question.

01:17:10.000 Why did Geiss send the following orders?

01:17:12.000 I mean, at least he questioned, unlike others.

01:17:14.000 I mean, why did the Israelis follow orders? 0.99

01:17:16.000 I mean, at least they did question.

01:17:19.000 Yes, they did question.

01:17:20.000 Incidentally, we had a reunion in 1992, it was our 25th anniversary reunion in Rapid City, South Dakota.

01:17:30.000 Joe Tully, Captain Joe Tully, was the skipper of the USS Saratoga.

01:17:36.000 And Captain Tully called me over to him and shook my hand.

01:17:39.000 He says, Marines said, I want you to know, we did our best to get help to you, but I was overpowered by the President himself.

01:17:50.000 Captain Joe Tully, skipper of the Saratoga.

01:17:54.000 But still, if I was a naval officer and the President said, stick children into meat grinders, I wouldn't do it.

01:18:01.000 I guess it's that training?

01:18:03.000 I mean, to follow an order to let your own people die?

01:18:05.000 I don't know what to say about that.

01:18:10.000 Well, for anybody that doubts that in this corrupt society now that our police won't follow orders and things like that, you better think twice, folks, because Because I'll just follow orders no matter what.

01:18:21.000 It just really causes bad things to happen.

01:18:24.000 Lyndon Johnson and Secretary McNamara should have been tried for treason for the Liberty incident.

01:18:30.000 Stay there.

01:18:31.000 Quick break.

01:18:31.000 I want to come back in a final five-minute segment with you, sir.

01:18:34.000 I really appreciate Bryce Lockwood, one of the heroes of the USS Liberty, for joining us.

01:18:38.000 To talk about any other key points that we've missed or have a discussion on the other side, then we're scheduled to have the Congressman Ron Paul popping in for the segment and then Dave Mustang.

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01:23:02.000 Look at your wings flying.

01:23:05.000 Look at your young man dying.

01:23:09.000 The way they've always done before.

01:23:13.000 We are joined by Bryce Lockwood.

01:23:17.000 We have one little short segment left here.

01:23:19.000 Then Congressman Ron Paul is going to be joining us.

01:23:21.000 Absolutely incredible story.

01:23:25.000 Incredible that even the Chicago Tribune has got the transcripts where they didn't want to attack, were ordered to, just as one of the pilots went public seven years ago and admitted.

01:23:34.000 But still the neocons said, no, no, Israel-levelism was sweet when their own pilot admitted it.

01:23:40.000 They were ordered three times, attack.

01:23:41.000 And they did attack.

01:23:44.000 But George Butler, who has a show right here on the Genesis Network Saturday nights, a friend of mine for many years, I guess I ought to talk to people more.

01:23:51.000 I didn't know... I knew George had been in the military.

01:23:53.000 I didn't know George was involved with the Liberty.

01:23:55.000 At least heard some of this and saw some of it happen.

01:23:57.000 Uh, George, we've just got a few minutes here.

01:23:59.000 Tell your story real fast to, uh, Mr. Lockwood.

01:24:02.000 Okay, uh, Mr. Lockwood?

01:24:03.000 Yes, sir, George.

01:24:04.000 I was ASA.

01:24:05.000 I was in Germany, West Berlin, uh, Torfelsberg and all that, but I was out of the service in the 66, but I had friends at Azmera.

01:24:13.000 Okay.

01:24:14.000 And they were monitoring that ship's, uh, communications during that attack.

01:24:18.000 Yes.

01:24:19.000 And so I don't know if these recently released intercepts are showing any traffic being monitored from Esmera or not.

01:24:26.000 I don't know.

01:24:28.000 The transcript that I have is from off the Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska.

01:24:36.000 Okay.

01:24:37.000 Now talking to your friends, George, who are in your old unit, what did they say they heard?

01:24:42.000 Well, we have a meeting monthly, we used to up in Richardson, Texas, with a bunch of Army Security Agency people, and discussing it, you know, with them.

01:24:52.000 They were hearing the attack, and they were hearing sometimes both sides of the communications.

01:24:59.000 This is up on a high mountain there, close to Ethiopia.

01:25:03.000 Sure, sure.

01:25:03.000 What did they think while they were hearing all this?

01:25:05.000 What did they say?

01:25:05.000 They understood very quickly, within hours, that there was an attack.

01:25:09.000 It was a concerted attack, intentional attack, by Israel against a U.S.

01:25:14.000 vessel.

01:25:14.000 Were they mad at the cover-up?

01:25:16.000 Oh, they were mad as hell, but NSA has a memorial site, is that right, Mr. Lockwood, on NSA?

01:25:21.000 Yes, yes.

01:25:22.000 But you know what they've done to that site?

01:25:23.000 No.

01:25:24.000 They made it more inaccessible than it used to be a few years ago.

01:25:29.000 Hard to find on the NSA site than it was three or four years ago.

01:25:33.000 Not surprising.

01:25:33.000 You have to dig down into the NSA site to really find the Liberty Memorial section.

01:25:40.000 I've been after this thing for years myself.

01:25:43.000 Like, Carl Wickersworth came out years ago and I sent him a bunch of information, KTSA and San Antonio, so this has been really dear to my heart too.

01:25:53.000 Thank you so much for calling, George.

01:25:56.000 Anyway, I understand your predicament, and you being there on The Best Will I Know, it was really... George, you ought to... You really get a kick into the truth, don't you?

01:26:03.000 You ought to get Bryce Lockwood on your show.

01:26:06.000 If it's alright, I can have John at the network.

01:26:08.000 Bryce, is it okay if we give George your number?

01:26:10.000 You bet.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, well, get that to me, and then we'll have him on the show as soon as we can.

01:26:14.000 Okay, well, we'll give you the number right now.

01:26:16.000 John, please give him the number while you're busy dialing Ron Paul.

01:26:19.000 Thank you, George.

01:26:20.000 Good to hear from you.

01:26:20.000 I mean, what a small world.

01:26:22.000 I know George.

01:26:22.000 He's a great guy here involved in the Freedom Movement.

01:26:25.000 That is amazing.

01:26:29.000 That is absolutely amazing.

01:26:33.000 Alex, I thank you so much for this opportunity.

01:26:43.000 Perhaps I've aired some things that, I don't know, maybe should have been said, but I tried to tell the truth as much as I possibly could.

01:26:51.000 Well, no, sir.

01:26:52.000 I mean, you've told much of what we already have confirmed by other sources in the new developments and a few other interesting tidbits, but the bottom line, what are the defenders of the bad actions of Israel going to do now?

01:27:04.000 I mean, this is incredible.

01:27:06.000 They can't just run and hide.

01:27:09.000 I didn't realize that this would also run in the Boston Globe.

01:27:12.000 I mean, this is a quarter of the American population that have had this story for the first time in 40 years.

01:27:19.000 It's in a bunch of newspapers.

01:27:21.000 If you type USS Liberty into Google and click on News, it'll search News, and it's dozens of hits.

01:27:28.000 It is all over the newspapers.

01:27:30.000 Let me look here.

01:27:31.000 Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, Baltimore Sun.

01:27:36.000 There's one more here that I printed out, and I only printed a few of these.

01:27:40.000 My goodness.

01:27:41.000 So this particular article by John Crescent.

01:27:45.000 John Crookson is all over the place, and a bunch of other articles have been written about that.

01:27:49.000 I'd say it's in the hundreds now, sir.

01:27:51.000 Incidentally, John Crookson is a Pulitzer Prize winner for journalism, so this is no fly-by-night author of this article.

01:27:58.000 You know, I didn't know that.

01:27:59.000 We called him up and he gave us your number, and he was real nice.

01:28:03.000 I didn't know I was talking to a Pulitzer Prize winner.

01:28:04.000 I've got a... I didn't either when you first called me.

01:28:07.000 I found out from a third party.

01:28:09.000 Actually, it was Jim Ennis, who is the author of the book, Assault on the Liberty, that informed me that...

01:28:15.000 Mr. Crutzen was a Pulitzer Prize winner.

01:28:17.000 Well, I'm going to call Crutzen back and get him on and maybe you on and get George Butler on at the same time.

01:28:22.000 God bless you and thanks for coming on, Mr. Lockwood.

01:28:24.000 Thank you so much, Alex.

01:28:25.000 I really appreciate it.

01:28:26.000 You bet.

01:28:27.000 You know, most of those men haven't lived to see the truth come out, but a lot of them have.

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01:32:40.000 It's just everybody is starting to wake up and one of the people driving that is the Ron Paul revolution.

01:32:47.000 And the doctor, the Vietnam veteran, the family man, the father, the congressman with the best voting record in modern U.S.

01:32:55.000 history, the guy that would get us out of the United Nations, the man that would abolish the Federal Reserve, the person that would put us back on to sound money principles, He is definitely the medicine this ailing country needs is Congressman Ron Paul.

01:33:10.000 And they just raised a record five plus million dollars in the last quarter dwarfing what many of the other top tier candidates made.

01:33:17.000 They're now six to one in major Las Vegas odds with a trajectory Of winning if his growth rate in the next 50 to 90 days continues.

01:33:27.000 If this is it, I want to see everybody intensify your giving.

01:33:31.000 I see yard signs all over.

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01:33:34.000 or New York, I see signs, Ron Paul signs up.

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01:33:38.000 They're all around my business where I'm based.

01:33:41.000 Congressman, we salute you, and I salute everybody that's supporting you.

01:33:45.000 This Ron Paul revolution is just absolutely going into overdrive.

01:33:51.000 Well, thank you, and we have to salute all those supporters who have endorsed these views in the Constitution.

01:33:56.000 That's what really is at stake here, and I'm so pleased to find out that our strength is that good, you know, and that there are that many people who care, so there's reason to be optimistic.

01:34:07.000 This is a lot better than you even thought it was going to be, Congressman.

01:34:10.000 What did you think on the good end of things, this campaign would end up, what, just being an educational process?

01:34:18.000 Or did you think you could win from the start?

01:34:20.000 Well, I always think there's, you know, that you can't predict the future, and therefore I never say, oh, you can't win, or I will win, so I sort of avoid the two extremes.

01:34:30.000 But I would say that it's doing much better than I had anticipated.

01:34:34.000 I was rather cynical about it all, because you and others have always said, run, run, run.

01:34:39.000 And I said, well, I don't know if our numbers are strong enough, and I don't know whether the young people will rally.

01:34:45.000 So I was too pessimistic, and there were more people who were already informed.

01:34:51.000 I'm really impressed by how many new people come in.

01:34:54.000 The new people are flocking to us, and I think this means that the young people are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.

01:35:01.000 They're realizing that we've dumped on them, and they realize, look, they're inheriting.

01:35:06.000 So I think this has all just come together, and then with radio talk shows and the Internet has just made this thing grow by leaps and bounds.

01:35:14.000 It's growing exponentially.

01:35:17.000 Though every time your name gets mentioned on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, they say, yeah, but he can't win.

01:35:23.000 Within seconds, they blurt it out like it's a talking point, Congressman.

01:35:27.000 But that seems, well, A, do you think it's a talking point?

01:35:29.000 And B, that seems to be enraging the public even more and backfiring on them.

01:35:35.000 Well, it does.

01:35:36.000 It doesn't discourage our supporters.

01:35:39.000 It sort of energizes everybody.

01:35:41.000 And now that we have proven that we could raise money, you know, they always claimed there were just a few of us out there that cared and that they were bloggers and they were manipulating the Internet.

01:35:51.000 And, well, you can't manipulate to the point where you get 35,000 new donors who average about $40 a piece.

01:35:59.000 You know, the other ones that raise a lot of money, you have to realize they get their money from those who want to buy government, you know, the special interests.

01:36:11.000 That's why they'll invest 60, 70, 80 million dollars.

01:36:14.000 where the miraculous thing about this is people are coming to us just to be free, you know, just to be left alone, to be able to keep their own money and do the necessary things like sound money and low taxes and property rights and assume responsibility for ourselves.

01:36:29.000 And that, to me, is the wonderful thing about what's happening.

01:36:34.000 If there was ever a time to pile on, if there was ever a time to rush the gates, ladies and gentlemen, Ron Paul can win the nomination.

01:36:42.000 Then people say, yeah, but there's electronic voting machines for canary.

01:36:45.000 Not in every county in about a third of the country, but still, if the poll numbers are high enough, they're not going to be able to steal elections.

01:36:53.000 I really know, intellectually, following this trajectory, that if the growth continues at this current rate, and that's what Las Vegas is saying, and they can't be wrong because they got bets being placed on it, you're going to get the Republican nomination.

01:37:07.000 Well, you know, that is a distinct possibility, but I also know that a lot of work has to be done.

01:37:14.000 We have to translate what we've done so far into actual voting in the primaries.

01:37:19.000 So, it's not smooth sailing, but it certainly is possible, and at the rate we're going, there's a very good chance.

01:37:27.000 Would you say that it's accurate to make the statement that you are definitely, that we are definitely with you in the fight?

01:37:34.000 I don't think there's any doubt about it.

01:37:36.000 I think that the group of people who are with us are growing all the time.

01:37:42.000 You know, the media always wants to ask me, what is your target?

01:37:46.000 When are you going to drop out?

01:37:47.000 Do you have to be first in New Hampshire before you'll drop out?

01:37:51.000 I said, no, I haven't even thought about things like that.

01:37:53.000 As long as we keep growing and improving and our numbers are growing and we raise the funds, you stay in there until mathematically something forces you to be excluded.

01:38:06.000 Well, by every indicator of grassroots, whether it's IP one-vote internet voting, which I think is more scientific than a lot of the, you know, Angus and Reed and Gallup-type polls, by every other indicator of grassroots, whether it's MySpace or YouTube or Meetup or Town Hall or Facebook, you are dwarfing, in almost every case, you have more members and more supporters in all those grassroots communities than all the other candidates combined with both parties!

01:38:35.000 It makes you wonder how the polling is done, because if the polling is honest, then you wonder where's the disconnect.

01:38:43.000 But maybe the polling isn't absolutely accurate, maybe they're not polling the people that are likely to vote.

01:38:49.000 But I think once we get a supporter, the percentage chance of them voting are much greater than those who are so disgruntled.

01:38:57.000 The disgruntled Democrats and the disgruntled Republicans.

01:39:01.000 I foresee a low turnout if you don't have somebody there that will really champion our cause and really want to change in direction, because I think the longer this campaign goes on, the more mellow everybody becomes.

01:39:14.000 They just mush.

01:39:15.000 They say nothing.

01:39:16.000 The Democrats get worse, and even our other Republicans are not saying that much.

01:39:21.000 They're not fiscal conservatives.

01:39:23.000 They don't want to talk about monetary policy, and there's so little said.

01:39:28.000 So for that reason, I think The people get more disgusted than those people who have finally figured it out that we're going in the wrong direction.

01:39:34.000 I think they're coming to our campaign.

01:39:37.000 Congressman, I said this...

01:39:39.000 Six, seven months ago when you first announced, it was common sense to me, but now the oddsmakers have said it, a lot of political analysts have said it, the Republicans really aren't running against Hillary.

01:39:48.000 They know the baton's being passed.

01:39:50.000 We've never seen a discrepancy where we've got, in any election, where one campaign has got double what the other party does.

01:39:57.000 Hillary's got that now. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Clearly, the establishment's saying this is a non-campaign, but then all the oddsmakers and experts are saying, but Ron Paul, he could beat Hillary.

01:40:07.000 And that's what Vegas is saying.

01:40:08.000 They're saying that if you, they've been always right in the past, could get the nomination, you would beat her because you're anti-war and you're pro-Second Amendment and you're pro-control the borders.

01:40:19.000 You've got the liberals and conservatives and libertarians supporting you.

01:40:23.000 Why wouldn't any Republican get behind you knowing that only Ron Paul can beat Hillary Clinton? 0.78

01:40:29.000 You know, you wonder about that because now the move is right now is to try to close the primaries.

01:40:34.000 Do you think they're sincere when they say they want to have a big tent and invite new people in?

01:40:39.000 They can invite a lot of new people in, but they don't want constitutionalists evidently, because they want to make it tough to vote in a Republican primary.

01:40:46.000 So that doesn't add up.

01:40:47.000 It just sort of confirms the fact that, you know, the control of this whole system has been one party, so to speak.

01:40:56.000 You know, it's one group of people who have controlled both parties.

01:40:59.000 And right now I think the people are getting disgusted with it, and they're starting to wake up.

01:41:03.000 Congressman, do you think that they're accelerating?

01:41:05.000 Again, we're talking to Congressman Ron Paul, running for president and gaining steam to get the win for the nomination as Republican here and defeat Hillary.

01:41:16.000 Do you think that they're trying to speed up the primaries and bring them in earlier as an attempt to try to block you and other populist candidates?

01:41:27.000 I don't think it's just me, because that has been started for a while.

01:41:31.000 But I think, generally speaking, the two major parties, the leadership, do not want competition.

01:41:37.000 This is the reason third parties have never survived very well, because it's hard to get on ballots, they won't let you in the debates.

01:41:43.000 And now, they're speeding this up, so if you're a grassroots-type candidate, they don't want to give you much time to get traction.

01:41:50.000 But they didn't realize that you can get traction some other way, such as through the internet and grassroots campaigning.

01:41:59.000 So I think that's a bit of a secret weapon that's interfering with their plans.

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01:42:29.000 Congressman, do you think the Republican Party is starting to panic because they have been intensifying their attacks on you?

01:42:35.000 Do you think they're starting to get concerned?

01:42:37.000 They're also trying to change their rhetoric a little bit more, it seems, towards a more constitutionalist, freedom-based Yeah, I think they've already adapted.

01:42:47.000 I don't know whether they've panicked, but I think they're at least showing some concern, where at first, you know, it was totally ignoring what we were doing.

01:42:57.000 And then, of course, they made fun of it.

01:43:01.000 And now I think the challenges are much tougher, and I think we can expect it to get much rougher as time goes on.

01:43:10.000 Only time is going to tell, but I think we should all be thankful that the ideas of liberty are alive and well in this country, much more so than I ever dreamed, so I'm very pleased.

01:43:19.000 I want to spend the six minutes we've got left with you, and I want you to know, Congressman, I know how tiring it is to do five, six, seven, eight interviews a day.

01:43:27.000 I have no idea how hard it is to do the things you're doing, and at 72, good thing you're in such good shape.

01:43:32.000 So I appreciate the time, and I know the listeners do, and we thank you because we are your base here, as you know.

01:43:37.000 The economy, I mean, it's like you're a prophet, but you've been saying this for 25 years.

01:43:43.000 Now everything you've talked about is coming home to roost.

01:43:45.000 The dollar plunging in value, the Federal Reserve making announcements that the dollar is going to go down, knowing it would drive it down further.

01:43:54.000 A, does that help your campaign that everything you've talked about, the hidden inflation tax, is now becoming revealed and then B it looks to me like the the central banks are trying to kill the dollar cutting interest rates bad mouthing the dollar saying the euro is going to be be preeminent that's the second question yeah I think it's going to help a whole lot Like you say, I've been talking about that for a long time and I think it's so important because the monetary issue is pervasive.

01:44:23.000 It involves every single transaction we have, you know, whether it's pricing of labor or pricing of goods and services, that's how key it is.

01:44:31.000 Then when people understand how the Fed screws up the economy and causes all the all the bubbles and all the changes that have to come from that, the collapsing of the bubble.

01:44:43.000 No, I'm getting a lot more calls even on the business stations, and that, of course, will be the most challenging because once they know the American people have awakened to the con game that's been going on, I think those who run the banking and monetary system aren't I think those who run the banking and monetary system aren't going to be too happy, nor will the people who You know, the people in the military-industrial complex and now in the medical-industrial complex, they get to use that money first.

01:45:11.000 They depend on this deficit financing.

01:45:14.000 So I suspect that we're going to be talking a lot more about this, because although the dollar's down sharply right now, The secondary effects of rising interest rates and also the cost of living going down here, that's yet to come, so in the next 12 months I think things are going to get a lot worse.

01:45:32.000 That was my next question.

01:45:35.000 Most of the experts who are in the constitutional line of thinking, or the von Mises of you, are saying middle of next year is when the really bad numbers and the debt really starts piling up.

01:45:44.000 What do you see happening?

01:45:45.000 You say 12 months?

01:45:46.000 Well, and that's one thing that Austrian economics teaches is that you shouldn't be so bold as to say in three months this is going to happen because I made a calculation.

01:45:55.000 Because there's a human element involved.

01:45:57.000 There are very many objective facts, like when you print money the value goes down, but that doesn't mean that exactly tomorrow the people will know the value of the money is down.

01:46:06.000 It takes time, and people panic, and there's emotions involved, and we don't know what kind of international event that might precipitate a crisis.

01:46:14.000 You know, if Bush is foolish enough to go and start bombing Iran, that might precipitate such a crisis as oil going to $200 a barrel.

01:46:24.000 Well, we've already seen a massive decline in value. 0.97

01:46:26.000 I mean, there is the prediction come true there.

01:46:28.000 So those are the kind of events you can't predict.

01:46:31.000 So that's why we know it's coming.

01:46:33.000 Could easily come in six months.

01:46:35.000 Could be a year and it could be even longer.

01:46:37.000 But we know we're destined to have these problems come and hit us.

01:46:40.000 - Well, we've already seen a massive decline in value.

01:46:43.000 I mean, there is the prediction come through there.

01:46:46.000 How far just in general gauging do you think it's gonna go down? - Well, that's hard to say because it depends on what the reaction is.

01:46:55.000 If they continue to do exactly what we're doing, it's going to go to zero.

01:46:57.000 We're going to have runaway inflation.

01:47:00.000 All paper currencies eventually self-destruct and they're ruined.

01:47:03.000 And we're in uncharted waters right now.

01:47:06.000 This is the first time in the history of man that you've had no solid currencies around the world.

01:47:12.000 And this has been going on for 35 years.

01:47:15.000 So we don't know how this is going to play out.

01:47:18.000 But in the past, most governments usually had to stop, start over again, develop a new currency, put some trust behind it, put some backing to the currency, and start over.

01:47:29.000 In this case, it's going to be more difficult, because it's going to be a worldwide crisis, and that's why people who own things are going to be better off than those people who own dollars.

01:47:39.000 Well, Joseph Stiglitz, Chief Economist, World Bank, said the same thing as you're saying last year.

01:47:43.000 And he said, we're going to have a global depression unless they change things.

01:47:46.000 And I said, well, are they changing?

01:47:47.000 He said, no, they're accelerating.

01:47:50.000 And that's what I see now.

01:47:52.000 The establishment really seems to think they can just set up a police state and then let everybody know they've been robbed.

01:47:58.000 And then if anybody complains, they'll just shoot us in the streets.

01:48:01.000 Well, hopefully it doesn't get that bad, but they're going to use the fear factor.

01:48:05.000 You know, look at what they do about the fear of these third world nations going to bomb us and we have to invade them. 1.00

01:48:10.000 The fear of another 9-11 attack, so therefore you give up all your civil liberties.

01:48:14.000 And they do that in economics, too.

01:48:16.000 There's this tremendous fear and a breakdown.

01:48:19.000 They're not going to admit the truth.

01:48:20.000 They're going to say, you know, markets don't work.

01:48:22.000 What we need is somebody to take care of us.

01:48:25.000 And what we have to fight for is to make sure that people won't give up their liberties.

01:48:29.000 Exactly.

01:48:30.000 So you're saying they could use the financial crisis, then pose as saviors and give us even more government as a fix.

01:48:36.000 Oh, I think they will.

01:48:37.000 They've done that.

01:48:38.000 Look, it's really started wholesale, you know, in the Depression.

01:48:41.000 That was the whole thing.

01:48:42.000 you know, scare people to death. 0.99

01:48:43.000 Instead of blaming the Federal Reserve for the Depression and the financial bubble of the 20s, they said, well, if capitalism failed, it was that stupid gold standard, therefore we have to have government welfare. 0.98

01:48:54.000 Of course, everything they did prolonged the Depression. 0.89

01:48:57.000 The Depression lasted 15 months, 15 years.

01:49:00.000 Exactly.

01:49:00.000 We've only got 30 seconds left.

01:49:02.000 You confronted Bernanke a few weeks ago, and he had the nerve of saying that we had 2% inflation.

01:49:07.000 Is that a lie?

01:49:08.000 Well, according to him, it's not a lie.

01:49:11.000 And according to the way they measure it, they don't think it's a lie, but according to the facts, it's a lie because they're, of course, inflating the money supply.

01:49:18.000 They won't even tell us they're inflating the currency by 13% if you look at M3, and even the price inflation, which is not the actual inflation.

01:49:27.000 If you go by the old CPI, it's going up 8 or 10%, so he's certainly deceiving us.

01:49:34.000 Congressman, we salute you.

01:49:35.000 We pray for you and Carol and your whole family.

01:49:37.000 God bless you.

01:49:38.000 Go with God.

01:49:39.000 Thanks a lot.

01:49:40.000 Thank you.

01:49:41.000 All right.

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01:53:11.000 Can you imagine what a crazy person I looked like with a big black Stetson and a Megadeth t-shirt cut off?

01:53:20.000 And stilt-toe boots?

01:53:23.000 Anyways, he's going to be joining us, and the reason he's joining us, coming up in about 35 minutes, is because he has got a new album out, and the whole thing is absolutely dead-on anti-New World Order.

01:53:38.000 And I remember, being about 15, while we were driving around doing donuts in fields in the middle of nowhere, like a bunch of heathen,

01:53:48.000 Listen to the Megadeth lyrics and it wasn't like other heavy metal stuff devil this devil that wasn't about that It was about evil world government evil New World Order I guess it was kind of subliminally telling me it was evil Back before I even woke up a few years later to the New World Order I remember getting the lyrics out of the out of the CD case CDs had just come out and then in reading, you know so so this this new one and is just right out in the open anti-New World Order.

01:54:16.000 And everybody's kind of on the bandwagon now, which is good.

01:54:19.000 But see, Dave Mustaine was not on the anti-New World Order bandwagon, what, 16, 17 years ago.

01:54:29.000 Now, that said, he is notoriously, when I've heard, rude and angry.

01:54:35.000 So we'll see if he yells at me or whatever when he's coming up in 35 minutes or even pops in on the show.

01:54:42.000 But reportedly he knows about the show, knows other shows.

01:54:44.000 And he's on the road right now, so we'll see if he's there.

01:54:47.000 Thank you.

01:54:49.000 It turned out Ron Paul thought he was on earlier today than he was, but that's how it always is with these guys that are really busy.

01:54:54.000 Frankly, it's the same way getting me on a radio show now.

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:08.000 Well, we're now into the third and final hour and Lou Epton's just now firing up his show.

01:58:13.000 He did this about once a year.

01:58:15.000 KLAV out of Las Vegas, a fine radio station with a great lineup.

01:58:21.000 Lou is one of the granddaddies in the Patriot Movement, Truth Movement, Freedom Movement in this country.

01:58:28.000 I've been interviewing Lou, and he's been interviewing me going back, I don't know, 15 years or so, ever since I first started even getting into this movement, right when I got on earth.

01:58:36.000 I think it was about 13 years, but I'd heard of Lou before that, and we're simulcasting right now.

01:58:42.000 Lou Epton, are you there, my friend?

01:58:43.000 Right here, my friend, and it's great to be back with you.

01:58:46.000 It's been too long.

01:58:48.000 Well, I'm really honored to be on your show, and it's great to have you here with us.

01:58:51.000 What are some of the things you want to talk about this hour?

01:58:53.000 You know, I've got this big headline up on PrisonPlanet.com.

01:58:56.000 FBI thought bombs brought down towers on 9-11.

01:59:00.000 Working premise, the truck bombs aided WTC collapse.

01:59:03.000 Dovetails were the arrest reports that were later buried.

01:59:06.000 Later, if you'd like, in the hour, we can actually play that clip.

01:59:10.000 In fact, John, why don't you go up to Prison Planet, I forgot to tell you, and go ahead and grab that clip, newscast, so we can play that later.

01:59:16.000 Lou, what do you think of that?

01:59:18.000 Alex, you know, we think so much alike because I'll never buy what the government wants us to regarding 9-11.

01:59:18.000 I love it.

01:59:24.000 Now what you have and other people I've spoken to, there is not a doubt in my mind that this wasn't something we were heavily involved in.

01:59:32.000 When I say we, I mean our supposed representatives, our own government.

01:59:38.000 Well, the reason I bring that up and was talking about it long before 9-11, as you were, is that it's declassified that criminal elements of our government, i.e.

01:59:47.000 the CIA, Defense Intelligence, staged terror attacks in Iran to blame it on their leadership and overthrow them.

01:59:53.000 In Europe, they declassified in 2001, before the attacks, that the U.S.

02:00:00.000 headline planned to stage terror attacks as a pretext for war with Cuba and the Soviets, Operation Northwoods.

02:00:07.000 The USS Liberty, our government with Israel, staged that attack on the ship as a pretext to attack, of course, the Arabs, mainly. 0.98

02:00:17.000 Egypt?

02:00:18.000 So there's so many examples they now have declassified that it was a staged attack and that nothing really happened that got us into the Vietnam War with the Gulf of Tonkin.

02:00:26.000 I mean, Lou, there are so many examples where they've done it in the past and then radiating the atomic soldiers, radiating 4,000 American children and killing them in radiation tests, telling parents they were getting x-rays and killing them to test radiation, our government funding Israel to do it. 0.87

02:00:41.000 I mean, the cold-blooded stuff they've done before, why wouldn't they do 9-11? 0.68

02:00:44.000 Then you look at the evidence and And sure enough, it's an inside job.

02:00:47.000 Alex, they needed 9-11.

02:00:49.000 They needed it to get the Patriot Act passed, for one.

02:00:51.000 They needed it for a number of reasons.

02:00:53.000 But I'll tell you, I sit here and I've often said, my people know this, what we're witnessing is the greatest show this world has ever seen.

02:01:01.000 Everything that's happened, we've been involved in, we've helped plan.

02:01:05.000 It's all taking us toward this one world government.

02:01:08.000 And the latest thing to happen, and I believe it's worth discussion, is what they call the Lost Treaty, the Law of the Seas Treaty, turning most all of the water on the planet over to the United Nations.

02:01:22.000 I tell you what, we've got a break in a minute and a half, but let's come back, get into this new 9-11 information, and then let's get into these treaties.

02:01:29.000 Law of the Sea, Law of the Sky, the SPP, the meeting Bush had a month and a half ago, they even released those documents.

02:01:37.000 We are going under United Nations control!

02:01:39.000 No question about it.

02:01:40.000 We've got internment camps right here in our own area of Southern Nevada.

02:01:44.000 They've got them, I think, mostly all across the nation already for those, well, for folks like you and me.

02:01:50.000 Well, absolutely.

02:01:51.000 And, Lou, before we break, tell folks about your fine station, the frequency, and how my listeners, who may have never heard it around the country when they're in Vegas or around it, can tune in.

02:02:00.000 Okay, thank you, Alex.

02:02:02.000 KLAV is one of the older stations here in the Southern Nevada market.

02:02:06.000 It is a unique situation in that they allow people such as yours truly to come on the air and expose what we know to be fraud.

02:02:14.000 I've been with them.

02:02:15.000 Well, I started with KLAV back in 1991.

02:02:19.000 I mean, boy, time goes by.

02:02:21.000 And they've been absolutely wonderful in every way, shape, and form.

02:02:25.000 I've gone to a couple of other stations for short periods, but I always keep on coming home.

02:02:30.000 Well, they're a big station.

02:02:31.000 They're an old station.

02:02:32.000 I hear about it all the time, and I listen to clips of you on the web.

02:02:35.000 Lou Epton, stay there.

02:02:36.000 We'll be back in three minutes.

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02:05:45.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

02:05:53.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:05:58.000 Now, we reported on this years ago, but it broke again this weekend with some new developments, new clips that resurfaced.

02:06:04.000 So it's big news right now.

02:06:06.000 FBI thought bombs brought down the towers on 9-11.

02:06:11.000 Working premise that truck bombs Aided WTC collapse dovetails with arrest reports that were later buried.

02:06:18.000 According to Terror Expert interview on USA Today on 9-11, the FBI's initial working premise was that trucks packed with explosives aided the collapse of the Twin Towers.

02:06:27.000 The fact that dovetails with reports of Middle Easterners being arrested after running away from truck bombs that later exploded that day.

02:06:35.000 Now, Lew Epton, are you there, my friend?

02:06:39.000 Here.

02:06:40.000 Lou, we had Arabs telling the local newspapers the week before those buildings won't be there the next day.

02:06:46.000 We had Odigo, Haras reporting in Israel, calling and saying, you know, we got a warning.

02:06:50.000 We told our employees, the Israeli employees, to get out. 1.00

02:06:53.000 We had FBI agents arrested for doing insider trading.

02:06:56.000 We had Buzzy Krongard in trouble with Blackwater covering up arms smuggling right now, involved in insider trading.

02:07:02.000 It seems like everybody knew But then the President said he'd never heard of any such plan, and then on top of it, of course there had to be bombs in the buildings.

02:07:10.000 I don't believe truck bombs, they were too well placed.

02:07:12.000 You can see the squibs.

02:07:13.000 But at least the FBI, because a lot of them weren't involved, obviously, it's a compartment of the government, thought there had to be bombs because it was obvious, and they were reporting that bombs were going off in the towers, including Building 7.

02:07:26.000 For the goodness sakes, the firemen, those who survived that horrendous event, are telling us that there were bombs in the building.

02:07:32.000 I gotta tell you, I've watched buildings come down here in Las Vegas, what they call controlled demolition.

02:07:39.000 It was identical to what happened at the old Boone's Hotel.

02:07:42.000 I mean, it came straight down.

02:07:44.000 The same thing happened with the Twin Towers.

02:07:46.000 There are so many unanswered questions regarding what really went on that fateful day.

02:07:52.000 Tons of evidence.

02:07:53.000 You have tons of evidence.

02:07:55.000 We both have lots of questions, and there's nobody there to answer them, and the commission they put in place to report on what they say happened was rigged, and we both know it.

02:08:06.000 I mean, there was no doubt in my mind, and I hate to say this, but there's not a doubt in my mind about what went on That fateful day of September 11th.

02:08:16.000 Those buildings were planned for destruction.

02:08:17.000 They were both loaded with asbestos.

02:08:19.000 It would have cost a veritable fortune to try and clean that asbestos out of the buildings.

02:08:24.000 What better way to get the job done and save money?

02:08:27.000 And then there's a story of, I believe his name was Silverstein, who took over the buildings and insured them for a few million dollars and collected billions of dollars after the demise.

02:08:37.000 There's a story of a reporter from the BBC, get this, standing in front of Building 7.

02:08:44.000 Live, on the air, reporting to the people in Great Britain that Building 7 had already collapsed.

02:08:50.000 It did?

02:08:50.000 Well, what in hell was that standing behind her?

02:08:54.000 It's incredible.

02:08:55.000 We're talking to KLAVAM 1230 talk show host in Las Vegas, Nevada.

02:09:01.000 He's been on since 1991.

02:09:04.000 16 years there.

02:09:04.000 I remember him interviewing me 13 years ago.

02:09:07.000 Again, he was out there on radio on a big station when literally nobody else was.

02:09:14.000 Lew Epton pioneering fighting the New World Order.

02:09:17.000 We are so honored So honored to have him on air with us today right here on the GCN radio network.

02:09:25.000 Lou, how about we play this couple minute clip of USA newspaper television that day interviewing a terrorism expert about truck bombs in the buildings.

02:09:39.000 Before we do, let me just add something.

02:09:41.000 It is my honor to be on the air with you.

02:09:44.000 You're a young man, like I've never known before in my life, who is standing up for the truth, exposing the fraud of what's going on, and it's an honest pleasure just to be able to share the airwaves with you wherever the world we're being heard.

02:09:58.000 Well, Lou, you're a sweetheart, but I'm not as young as I used to be.

02:10:01.000 I've definitely put a lot of miles on the odometer, but again, I'm just glad folks like you were out there before I was fighting the globalists.

02:10:08.000 And again, you've done so much for this country, my friend, so God bless you as well.

02:10:12.000 Here is that first clip, and the next one is of Dan Rather.

02:10:15.000 Here it is.

02:10:16.000 Joining me is Jack Kelly.

02:10:18.000 Now, he is a foreign correspondent, war correspondent, and just came back from Israel.

02:10:23.000 He has some information about these attacks.

02:10:26.000 Jack, what can you tell us happened first in New York?

02:10:29.000 Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down.

02:10:43.000 Now that's the first time we're hearing that.

02:10:45.000 So two planes and explosives that were in the building, is that correct?

02:10:49.000 That is the working theory at this point.

02:10:51.000 That is still unconfirmed, but that is what the FBI is going on at this point.

02:10:55.000 Now, here in Washington, can you tell us what happened with this jet?

02:10:59.000 We believe it's an American Airlines jet that was going from Dulles International Airport to Los Angeles.

02:11:04.000 Can you tell us about that?

02:11:06.000 At approximately 945, the plane hit the side of the building over there.

02:11:11.000 There are confirmed deaths at this point.

02:11:14.000 This is thought to be part of a coordinated attack.

02:11:17.000 This is the first time that U.S.

02:11:19.000 officials will actually say that this is part of a coordinated attack, and I don't think it's exactly over yet.

02:11:24.000 Is this... it is not over yet?

02:11:26.000 I don't believe it's actually over yet.

02:11:28.000 They're taking precautions.

02:11:29.000 Within the last couple of minutes, the White House has approved sending two aircraft carrier battle groups, one into the Chesapeake Bay, the other outside of the New York City area, to prepare and defend for possible future attacks.

02:11:43.000 Now, Jack, as these battleships are headed out, does this mean war?

02:11:50.000 Lawrence Eagleburger, the former Secretary of State, just told us that this is a declaration of war as far as he is concerned.

02:11:56.000 He said this is the biggest attack against the U.S.

02:11:59.000 since Pearl Harbor more than 60 years ago.

02:12:01.000 So, why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia where 14 of the 19 hijackers came from? 0.95

02:12:08.000 Even if you believe the official story, why are we going to Iraq? 0.89

02:12:12.000 Just like we're about to go into Iran, and Lou, they think the public's so dumb, they keep saying Iran, love them or hate them, is an Al-Qaeda country, and aids Al-Qaeda. 0.95

02:12:20.000 Iran is run by Shiites, the opposite group of Al-Qaeda, the Wahhabis, and they hate them, and they hate Saudi Arabia. 0.99

02:12:27.000 How dumb do they think the public is? 1.00

02:12:29.000 Well, obviously they think they're as stupid as a box of rocks, and you know what? 1.00

02:12:34.000 On occasion, I gotta think, you know, I hate to say this, but we've been so dumbed down That we're willing to accept anything the propaganda machine known as television and mainstream press is willing to tell us. 1.00

02:12:46.000 I mean, how many people you talk to that really question anything they hear on TV or read in the daily?

02:12:52.000 I mean, what they're not telling us is so much more important than any of the dribble that they're releasing.

02:12:58.000 And if you want to get into the 9-11 situation in a big way, you know, if you find one real flaw, then you've got to question the whole thing.

02:13:06.000 And I'll tell you what I think was the most glaring flaw of all.

02:13:10.000 was what they claim went on at the Pentagon.

02:13:13.000 For the gosh sakes, Alex.

02:13:14.000 I mean, anybody with half a brain that took a moment to investigate this, you look at the damage to the building, you look at the lawn.

02:13:24.000 I'm sorry, you'll never convince me that that was hit by a 737.

02:13:29.000 Quite the opposite, I think it was hit, in my personal opinion, a missile.

02:13:34.000 Well, certainly, they won't release the good videos they've got, so they definitely want that to be a deepening debate.

02:13:39.000 It is very suspicious, that 16-foot.

02:13:42.000 But Lew, what about the admissions by Colonel Butler, the head of the Defense Language School, that they trained three of the hijackers there in spy training?

02:13:49.000 What about the two embassy heads, Springman and the other one, I've interviewed both of them, saying that they were told the hijackers were U.S.

02:13:54.000 government agents and that their terrorism designation was a cover and that they were supposed to let them back into the country by the State Department and the CIA?

02:14:02.000 Or MSNBC and Newsweek reporting that the hijackers were trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station?

02:14:07.000 That has all been proven!

02:14:08.000 I mean, the fact that they were trained at bases and then we're supposed to not talk about that, or that the official story's a fraud, or that Bush said he never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings, and it turned out the British, the U.S., everybody done drills of it.

02:14:21.000 In fact, John, did you grab that clip today?

02:14:23.000 I forgot to ask you.

02:14:24.000 John's running a show up in Minnesota.

02:14:25.000 I'm in Texas.

02:14:26.000 The clip with the BBC.

02:14:28.000 We're back in the 60s.

02:14:29.000 They ran the drill of flying a jet into the British Petroleum.

02:14:33.000 And do you have the Dan Rather clip?

02:14:35.000 Let's play the Dan Rather clip.

02:14:36.000 This is him, that same day, now, reporting on how they caught all these people with trucks, and explosives residue, and maps, and box cutters, and all this stuff, and then it's admitted that they were Mossad agents.

02:14:48.000 And I'm not saying Mossad did it.

02:14:49.000 I'm leaving that open for debate.

02:14:51.000 The point is, why isn't this back in the news?

02:14:53.000 Here it is.

02:14:54.000 ...very recently tonight, within the last few minutes, repeated that he believes that there are some people still alive, and they're all looking around the World Trade Center.

02:15:02.000 And word late tonight that two suspects are in FBI custody, After a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge.

02:15:10.000 That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River.

02:15:14.000 Whether the discovery of those explosives has anything to do with other events today is unclear, but the FBI has two suspects in hand, said the truckload of explosives, enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge.

02:15:28.000 But they arrested the two suspects and they're questioning them as we speak.

02:15:32.000 President Bush says the death toll at the Marching Center into danger.

02:15:36.000 Uh, Lou Epton.

02:15:37.000 Then they caught him in Tennessee.

02:15:38.000 They caught him in Mexico City with explosives.

02:15:40.000 This is pretty darn suspicious and then the media was ordered to shut up about it.

02:15:45.000 How about that?

02:15:46.000 And the media takes its orders and marches right in lockstep with whatever they're told.

02:15:46.000 Yeah.

02:15:51.000 Lou, what do you think the establishment is going to do, though?

02:15:54.000 I mean, in major polls, more than half the public thinks it's an inside job.

02:15:57.000 84% of the scientific polls believe they're being lied to about 9-11.

02:16:00.000 What is the establishment going to do?

02:16:02.000 They carried out these attacks.

02:16:03.000 We don't have all exactly what happened, but we know that the official story that it was done by guys from a cave is a lie.

02:16:10.000 What are they going to do now that we've taken their favorite tactic of staging terror and basically destroyed it?

02:16:15.000 Well, I think they're just going to keep marching the way they are and ignore whatever the public wants to know about, and they've gotten by with it so far, there's nothing to force them to come out and admit any wrongdoing in any way, shape, or form.

02:16:28.000 So, you know, unless... and it's not easy to get the public really aroused enough.

02:16:33.000 You know, I'm not...

02:16:36.000 Sitting here saying, oh, we've got to have a revolution.

02:16:39.000 Nothing like that.

02:16:40.000 Because in the history, I think of the planet.

02:16:43.000 Unless people are, first of all, hungry and homeless, they're not about to do anything.

02:16:48.000 And the majority of our citizenry still lives fairly well.

02:16:51.000 So they're just going to go along and hope that somebody else will figure it out and expose it.

02:16:55.000 And nothing much else is going to happen.

02:16:59.000 But, I'd like to think, maybe, just maybe, you know I'm one of these rare people, I do believe in our Lord, I do believe He's watching what's going on, and I do know for a fact that in the end we're going to win.

02:17:13.000 But I have this bad feeling it's going to get a lot worse before it starts getting better.

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02:22:18.000 That's what Las Vegas translates into, I'm told.

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02:22:34.000 Lew, I'm glad you brought up the Law of the Sea Treaty because I don't talk enough about that and there's so many international takeovers.

02:22:44.000 What, 74% of the world's surface is covered in Saltwater and another 1% is covered in freshwater.

02:22:51.000 They claim now under this full control of the oceans and want to tax all cargo and fishing and actions that go on it.

02:22:59.000 This would really give them a big part of the global tax they want.

02:23:03.000 They're pushing for the other part of course right now through global warming, man-made global warming hysteria and fraud and all these new taxes.

02:23:10.000 But fill folks in on the Law of the Sea Treaty, Lou.

02:23:13.000 Pretty much.

02:23:14.000 I mean, I can't go into great detail because I don't know all that much more about it except that it'll put the water, which is the majority of the planet we live on, under the control of the United Nations.

02:23:25.000 Which, by the way, from where I sit, has never been a friend of the United States.

02:23:29.000 Not since day one.

02:23:31.000 But if you look at the overall picture, which is globalism, and we're well on the way there right now, and this is the agenda of what's going on.

02:23:41.000 They want the open borders.

02:23:42.000 They want to first turn our area into what they call the North American Union, merging Canada, Mexico, with the United States.

02:23:49.000 But that's not the end of it.

02:23:51.000 Once they've achieved that, Then I'll go for step two where the end result is a one world government with a very few elite at the top and then there'll be the rest of us and we'll do exactly what we're told.

02:24:04.000 We won't be able to buy food or anything else.

02:24:07.000 It's really that simple.

02:24:08.000 Between the biochips they've got and this credit card situation they've got running where, as Risa likes to say, money slows us down.

02:24:17.000 I mean, come on!

02:24:19.000 We're being invaded right now by how many illegals? 1.00

02:24:22.000 Not what the government wants you to believe.

02:24:24.000 I personally will tell you, as far as I'm concerned, we've got over 30 million Illegals right now running rampant across the nation.

02:24:31.000 Now we're offering them all of our freeways and highways to the Mexican truckers, whose trucks are not up to standards, whose drivers are not up to standards, which is not my idea, but which is admitted by almost everyone. 1.00

02:24:44.000 And what will that do to the American truckers?

02:24:47.000 Well, obviously it'll Call for lower wages because you can't compete with the kind of monies that they get if they're working through Mexico.

02:24:56.000 I mean the whole thing.

02:24:58.000 The invasion?

02:25:00.000 This idea that, I love it, Hillary's proposing national health care again, that's socialism or communism by whatever name you want to stick with. 0.95

02:25:09.000 Which gives them total control, she says you have to go to the doctor each year, they're going to decide what you're injected with, they're going to have social workers that watch you and your family, that give you visits, this is all about kidnapping your children, getting them into the system, this all-powerful state, That tracks everything you buy, tracks everywhere you go and what you do, that can turn your national ID card off for buying and selling, which they're now pushing, which can inject you with whatever they want.

02:25:34.000 I mean, this is nightmare control, and you got all these fools out there that think the state cares about them and loves them, when all it wants to do is get full control over you. 0.97

02:25:43.000 By the way, Alex, you know what the whole movement, what the equality movement for women was honestly all about? 0.97

02:25:50.000 Tell me, Len.

02:25:51.000 To destroy the American home. 0.91

02:25:53.000 Let them all run out and work so the state can raise your children. 1.00

02:25:56.000 Come on! 0.61

02:25:57.000 One of the biggest industries in the country today is called daycare centers.

02:26:00.000 Do you really think they give a damn about your children?

02:26:04.000 Well, we know they don't.

02:26:05.000 We've interviewed Charlotte Isserby and others.

02:26:06.000 High level in the Department of Education.

02:26:08.000 It was all about breaking down the family.

02:26:10.000 Of course, now she admits it.

02:26:12.000 She's written a book about it and been questioned about it and admits it.

02:26:14.000 Gloria Steinem was approached by the Central Intelligence Agency in the early 1960s to go start Miss Magazine in the late 1960s. 1.00

02:26:22.000 And so they could get women out of the home and get the children and then double tax. 1.00

02:26:27.000 And then she went out and got married and had children and everything else.

02:26:30.000 Told other women not to, though. 0.97

02:26:32.000 Again, CIA operative, 110%.

02:26:35.000 No question about it, unfortunately, but look what they've done.

02:26:39.000 Do you know the strength of our nation when we went into World War II?

02:26:42.000 The real strength, what made America the greatest nation, as far as I'm concerned, on the face of this planet?

02:26:49.000 The family.

02:26:50.000 Think about that.

02:26:51.000 We had families up until World War II.

02:26:54.000 And when the guys all ran out to enlist, I mean, everyone wanted to go out and help this country because it was their home, a great country.

02:27:06.000 I don't know how to say this sometimes, Alex.

02:27:08.000 I get very frustrated.

02:27:10.000 But I am a believer in family and family value, okay?

02:27:14.000 They've worked against us for so long and so hard.

02:27:18.000 It's an uphill battle from here on out if we have any chance left at all.

02:27:22.000 Lew Epstein is our guest.

02:27:24.000 We're simulcasting with KLAV right now.

02:27:27.000 Stay with us.

02:27:27.000 We'll be right back and take some of your phone calls.

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02:29:57.000 I use it regularly on my heels and they stay looking great.

02:30:01.000 And my feet feel as good as they look.

02:30:04.000 What's that name again?

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02:31:14.000 1-800-259-9231 is the number to call in here. .

02:31:23.000 Lou, why don't you fire out the phone number if folks want to call into the Vegas station?

02:31:27.000 Well, we've got a couple here.

02:31:28.000 Our local number, of course, is 731-1230.

02:31:31.000 Our toll-free is 1-866-820-5528.

02:31:37.000 Alex, if I may just mention real quickly, we have Leon online.

02:31:42.000 Is it okay?

02:31:42.000 Let's take that call.

02:31:43.000 Leon, good morning.

02:31:44.000 You're on with Alex Jones.

02:31:46.000 Yes, good morning, Lou, and good afternoon, Alex.

02:31:50.000 I hope he's there.

02:31:51.000 Yes, I'm here.

02:31:52.000 Come ahead.

02:31:52.000 Oh, great.

02:31:53.000 Hey, what I was wondering about, you've been able to maintain such a great sponsorship with your program for so long.

02:31:58.000 I'm wondering how the Luetkin program can take advantage of those same ideas, and wondering how important it is for listener support in your radio program, so folks listening to the Luetkin program get that also.

02:32:10.000 And I'll listen out the air.

02:32:11.000 Thanks.

02:32:14.000 Let me first say, Alex, believe it or not, you've got a large following right here in Southern Nevada.

02:32:20.000 People absolutely love you, and I totally understand it.

02:32:24.000 Well, they're fantastic folks.

02:32:26.000 I'm just trying to do my job and get the word out.

02:32:28.000 But I do have quite a few sponsors.

02:32:29.000 We have a large audience.

02:32:30.000 We're on over 50 A.M.

02:32:31.000 in Anthem Station, Shore of the Internet, Satellite, things like that.

02:32:34.000 But, I mean, really, it's just the listeners out there taking the audio files from the show, getting the word out that lets us continue our operation.

02:32:42.000 But obviously, you're doing a decent two, Lou, if you've been there since 1991.

02:32:44.000 But yes, Supporting talk shows, spreading the word about the talk shows, that is so important.

02:32:50.000 And when you've got a great AM host, like Lou in your area, I know most of you already know this, but every day, don't forget, tell somebody else at a red light, tell somebody at school, tell somebody at work, hey, at lunch, tune in and listen to Lou Epton.

02:33:04.000 That's how we spread the word.

02:33:05.000 Tell folks about loueptonshow.com.

02:33:07.000 We've got a link to it up on infowars.com.

02:33:10.000 Nothing can beat that word of mouth.

02:33:12.000 The key for the success of a show is to have good information, obviously, But also that the listeners spread the word.

02:33:18.000 Okay, let me ask you something, Alex.

02:33:20.000 How did you first begin getting involved in broadcasting?

02:33:24.000 I think a lot of people would like to know.

02:33:26.000 I'm so grateful you did, and I'm so grateful that you're there and you're on, because I can't think of anyone else that hits a nail on the head as well as you do.

02:33:34.000 Oh well, there's a lot of folks better than me.

02:33:37.000 I mean that, but go ahead.

02:33:38.000 I just outpost work as much as I do.

02:33:40.000 In 1994, about a year or so after the massacre at Waco, I got really informed about the New World Order to a certain extent. 0.85

02:33:47.000 The Federal Reserve being private, kind of a mainline Ron Paul, type Republican, but by mainline I mean Ron Paul style mainline, you know, hardcore libertarian, whatever.

02:33:56.000 And then Oklahoma City happened and local Austin Axis producers, I'd already been down there volunteering and helped on a few of the shows, had all these raw footage of bombs in the buildings being removed, being an inside job, of grand jurors saying it was an inside job, they were told to shut up.

02:34:13.000 And so I got on the air as a guest host then, and then by 96, early 96, I'd been on the air a while, about a year, I got approached by folks that were about to switch a rock station to talk, and they put me on three hours Saturday night.

02:34:32.000 It got good ratings.

02:34:33.000 They put me on weeknights.

02:34:35.000 And then there was a little fledgling shortwave slash satellite network called Republic Broadcasting.

02:34:41.000 I interviewed Mark Kornke and John Stattmiller.

02:34:44.000 And they said, you know, let us carry your feed, your weekday feed and your Saturday feed over the telephone line over this.

02:34:51.000 And then it just exploded from there.

02:34:52.000 And then that went belly up, I think, in like 98.

02:34:55.000 And Ted Anderson, been their biggest sponsor, they asked him, hey, please help us stay on, start something new.

02:35:02.000 He did that.

02:35:02.000 And the rest is history.

02:35:04.000 Here we are, Lou, but enough about me.

02:35:05.000 That's really kind of boring.

02:35:06.000 But I started out on AXS TV.

02:35:09.000 Okay.

02:35:10.000 Now I was just curious because it's such a, to me, it's a great feeling to know that you're there, you're out there, and you're getting the word out in large fashion, and I only wish there were a couple hundred more like you.

02:35:22.000 Unfortunately, I can't think of anybody else that comes anywhere near what you're doing.

02:35:27.000 We have another caller online right now, if it's okay, though, Alex.

02:35:30.000 Yeah, let's go, Tom.

02:35:31.000 Okay, Stephen, good morning.

02:35:32.000 You're on with Alex Jones.

02:35:34.000 Yes, good morning Alex and Lew, my two favorite talk show hosts.

02:35:39.000 I'm really proud of you guys getting together and attempting this.

02:35:43.000 Alex and Lew, Lew doesn't know it yet, I've been started producing, or not really producing, putting together kind of a synopsis of your three hours and sending it out.

02:35:55.000 I've got about 50 or 60 people that I email it to and ask them to forward it.

02:36:01.000 I try not to do too much editorializing, but just try to identify what could be the really good points for them to consider listening.

02:36:12.000 If I can get them to listen to an hour, they're probably going to be hooked.

02:36:15.000 That's what happened to me about six or seven months ago.

02:36:18.000 A friend said, do you ever listen to Alex Jones?

02:36:21.000 You can listen to it on my computer and I've been hooked ever since.

02:36:26.000 Well that's how it works.

02:36:27.000 We also have the podcast and the people can download for free.

02:36:33.000 I've been sending it to Aaron, what I've been doing.

02:36:38.000 I haven't received a response, hey quit doing that.

02:36:43.000 I'll send you a copy of it.

02:36:45.000 We just want to get the word out my friend.

02:36:47.000 Thank you for what you're doing.

02:36:48.000 That's where it's at.

02:36:49.000 I appreciate both your efforts.

02:36:51.000 Thank you, Stephen.

02:36:52.000 You're about to be rewarded, I'm sure.

02:36:53.000 Take care.

02:36:54.000 By the way, Alex, did you cover the Aaron Russo film?

02:36:58.000 It was absolutely magnificent.

02:37:00.000 You know, I'm glad you raised that.

02:37:01.000 I knew that you were friends with Aaron, and his passing is really a sad thing, but what a legacy he left.

02:37:09.000 I mean, what a life worth leading.

02:37:11.000 I mean, somebody at the end of his life, people say, God bless him, instead of, who cares?

02:37:15.000 Yeah, and how.

02:37:17.000 But that video, I mean, that film, I just wish we could make sure everybody saw it because it really nails it so succinctly and it just makes it darn I was very proud to be a friend of his and help him get started when he ran for governor here.

02:37:32.000 Well, speaking of films, you can go to whatistheendgame.com or endgamethemovie.com or go to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com.

02:37:43.000 There's big links to watch the three movie trailers.

02:37:47.000 We're going to have the official, you know, really fancy trailer we did coming out at the end of this week.

02:37:51.000 But we've got three trailers.

02:37:52.000 One of them is the intro to the film.

02:37:54.000 The other two are little minute-long synopses of different sections of the film.

02:37:58.000 And Endgame gets into the global master plan to exterminate 80% of the population.

02:38:03.000 We all know that.

02:38:04.000 We have the Autobahn Society quotes and the World Wildlife Fund quotes and Prince Philip and Ted Turner and all these people.

02:38:10.000 And we know that billions have been given for population reduction.

02:38:13.000 They put it in the vaccines.

02:38:14.000 We now go to the Bilderberg Group, show you who the global elite are, show you their history in the first half.

02:38:19.000 And then our plus of it is all eugenics, how they took over, their master plan. 0.91

02:38:24.000 And it's going to be out on the web at PrisonPlanet.TV on October 26th, Lou.

02:38:31.000 And then it's going to be back and it's going to be out shipping on DC.

02:38:34.000 on DVD November 1st.

02:38:36.000 We haven't started pre-sales yet.

02:38:37.000 That's going to start in three days, pre-sales are.

02:38:40.000 And I want everybody to get in-game blueprint for global enslavement out to everybody.

02:38:44.000 Let's take a call from Richard in Connecticut.

02:38:47.000 Richard, you're on the air with Alex Jones and Lou Epton.

02:38:50.000 Welcome.

02:38:50.000 Alex, it's an honor to speak with you.

02:38:53.000 I was thinking about that show, that view show that was supposed to have the Loose Change crew, and I was thinking that the only way, why it was preempted, was that the people in the media know that 9-11 was an inside job.

02:39:10.000 If 9-11 was not an inside job, they would have let the people from the Loose Change crew on that episode say what they wanted.

02:39:17.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Well, again, Rosie tried to get him on, tried to get William Rodriguez on, and she was told no.

02:39:24.000 She was offered more money not to leave, but told we'll have editorial control.

02:39:27.000 And again, I disagree with a lot of things Rosie believes in, but I admire her passion and her courage to turn down a multi-million dollar a year contract and leave because she wasn't allowed to say or do what she wanted.

02:39:41.000 Right.

02:39:42.000 Imagine if the whole Loose Change crew were to get this copy of the endgame.

02:39:47.000 Not just the Loose Change crew, but the We Are Change movement and all chapters of the We Are Change movement were to have their own personal copy of Terror Storm Special Edition and this endgame coming out.

02:40:01.000 Have both filmed.

02:40:03.000 Well, supposedly in a few months you will probably, I mean they're tweaking it right now, it's a great film, the final cut of Loose Change, so we'll see how that develops.

02:40:12.000 Richard, thank you so much.

02:40:14.000 Dave in Connecticut.

02:40:15.000 Dave, you're on the air, welcome.

02:40:17.000 Hi Alex, Big Fan Show.

02:40:20.000 I was wondering, Bradley Butler once said that banks loan countries money, and when they don't pay they get invaded.

02:40:28.000 Yes, he said war is a racket.

02:40:31.000 Yes, he wrote a book about it.

02:40:33.000 So is the U.S. 0.53

02:40:33.000 being set up to be invaded since we have such a huge debt? 0.53

02:40:36.000 Well, that was called gunboat diplomacy, and that went on from, say, 1850 through the 1930s.

02:40:44.000 And what would happen is they would land the Marines in total, I think, what, eight, nine different countries over those 60, 70, 80 years, and they would give a loan to a dictator knowing he wouldn't pay it back.

02:40:55.000 And then when he didn't pay, he would leave and then they would invade.

02:40:58.000 Now we have the IMF and World Bank documents.

02:41:00.000 Joseph Sticklitz got out in 2002, Nobel Prize winner, Chief Economist at World Bank.

02:41:04.000 And in that it states they pay them and then tell them don't pay it back.

02:41:08.000 And it said on average about 25% interest compounded and go even higher.

02:41:13.000 And they go in and then get the infrastructure, the water, literally the people are signed over as collateral and then they get control.

02:41:20.000 And so on a billion dollar debt, a nation will end up paying, like Nigeria, 60-something billion in interest on that, loans made in the 70s, and then they get just full ownership of the country.

02:41:31.000 And then that's fiat currency issued out of nothing, backing up the IMF and World Bank.

02:41:36.000 So the bankers just create it out of nothing.

02:41:37.000 Lew Upton?

02:41:38.000 Yeah, no, no argument.

02:41:40.000 You know, you talk about the film put out by Loose Change, which is really... I've got a copy, it's outstanding.

02:41:46.000 But I was going to ask you, Alex, are you also familiar with Dave Monclay's set of 9-11 in plain sight and his newest 9-11 ripple effect?

02:41:55.000 He's got a lot of important people on that and they're all verifying what we've been talking about, that this whole situation of 9-11 was a set-up job.

02:42:03.000 Oh sure, I'm aware of those films.

02:42:04.000 Dave's a nice fellow here on the network.

02:42:07.000 Lou, let's go ahead and take another call. 0.95

02:42:08.000 Thank you, Dave.

02:42:09.000 Joe in Missouri.

02:42:10.000 You're on the air.

02:42:11.000 Go ahead.

02:42:11.000 Hello, gentlemen.

02:42:14.000 It's a pleasure to speak with you both.

02:42:17.000 Alex, I have some information for you.

02:42:19.000 It's not too old, but here in a talk show that goes on in the morning in Santa City, Uh, called Tell Somebody on 90.185.

02:42:30.000 They were interviewing, uh, the mayor, Mark Funkhouser, Mayor of Kansas City, Mark Funkhouser, and they were speaking about the, uh, Napa Superhighway.

02:42:39.000 Oh boy.

02:42:40.000 Yeah.

02:42:41.000 Yeah.

02:42:42.000 They, the host questioned him about it, and of course, the mayor denied knowing anything about the highway, but he did admit that they do have plans to use the railroad, uh, from Mexico To bring all the goods in from Mexico.

02:42:58.000 Mexico already took over the former second largest train station in the country.

02:43:04.000 Right there in St.

02:43:05.000 Louis, that's official news, in the official TxDOT and Federal Transportation Department documents, they call it the NAFTA Super North American Highway, North American Integration, and now when they get heat, they just deny it exists.

02:43:19.000 I mean, this is the incredible, but again, the massive lie, then we spend all day debating and talking about how they're liars.

02:43:26.000 Listen, a month ago, an international tribunal ordered the U.S.

02:43:31.000 to open up to Mexican trucks, and it started happening.

02:43:35.000 International tribunals, every couple days, have more power than Congress because they signed it away.

02:43:40.000 I mean, we're under United Nations regulations on our national parks.

02:43:46.000 They're talking about international regulations on over a 3,000 square foot house, you'll pay taxes.

02:43:50.000 It's already in place in England.

02:43:52.000 I mean, they're just doing it right now.

02:43:54.000 They're talking about, we always said they were going to come out with a new gas tax, and fuel tax, and energy tax.

02:43:59.000 Now they're announcing it.

02:44:01.000 They keep saying, do something about global warming, and I tell people it's a tax, and they would deny it was a tax a year ago.

02:44:06.000 Now they're announcing it's a tax, but then saying there is no tax.

02:44:09.000 They say it is a tax, but it doesn't exist.

02:44:11.000 I mean, that is a psychological warfare tactic just to take you back, and they know that 60% of the public doesn't read or check anything out, so they just hear that and want to rationalize and procrastinate and say it isn't true.

02:44:23.000 I mean, Lou, what do you think of just the unbelievable lying that's going on now?

02:44:27.000 Well, it's not new.

02:44:28.000 It's been going on for decades.

02:44:30.000 I wish more people were more aware of it, obviously.

02:44:34.000 But, you know, we talk about the NAFTA highway.

02:44:37.000 Let's call it what it really is.

02:44:39.000 You see, highways and freeways are under state control.

02:44:44.000 This is going to be a corridor.

02:44:46.000 Is there a difference?

02:44:47.000 You better believe it.

02:44:48.000 Corridors are under federal control.

02:44:51.000 And this one is under international offices, so it's key arteries of control and taxation to control movement.

02:44:58.000 How did Rome control Germania, Gaul?

02:45:01.000 How did it control Judea?

02:45:03.000 How did it control Greece?

02:45:05.000 How did it control North Africa, Egypt?

02:45:07.000 How did it control its holdings?

02:45:10.000 It owned the roads and used them as tax and control and checkpoints to regulate, and they admit that they're going to use the money from this to fund North American integration infrastructure.

02:45:22.000 So right there, the money for this goes to build up their infrastructure, not the old infrastructure of the states and the federal level.

02:45:29.000 I mean, it's global government taxation in our face.

02:45:33.000 they're building it right here in Austin and you can't even I mean it's unbelievable no I know it I'll tell you I look at my kids I look at my grandkids and I'm really there are times I wish I had a state single all of my life because the life they're going to lead the life young folks are going to lead I feel like I've been very lucky having been born when I was and I I just hate the thought of the kind of world they're growing up in and Well, good people are getting involved thanks to people like you, Lew.

02:46:01.000 Let's talk to Mark in Canada.

02:46:03.000 Mark, you're on the air.

02:46:04.000 Go ahead.

02:46:04.000 Hi, how are you doing?

02:46:07.000 Good, sir.

02:46:07.000 Good.

02:46:08.000 Hello to Lew, too.

02:46:09.000 I've never heard you before, but I'm happy I'm hearing you now.

02:46:12.000 I've got two comments.

02:46:13.000 The first is, you know the art of war, the expression, you can't start a revolution on an empty stomach?

02:46:19.000 Yeah.

02:46:20.000 I think we're at the point now where we're at the Thanksgiving dinner and we haven't left yet.

02:46:24.000 We're that dumbed down by just the entertainment, the distractions, everything else.

02:46:29.000 Yeah.

02:46:29.000 And to all the police brutality that's coming out and the tasering and everything else, I think the only protection we have now is to carry a camera, whether it be a cell phone camera, a little hand cam, anything.

02:46:44.000 And if you're just going to stand there and do nothing anyways, at least have the courtesy to record it.

02:46:48.000 and get it to somebody who will.

02:46:50.000 And that could be, you know, your buddy's kid if you can't figure out how to work it.

02:46:54.000 But just get everything out because the only thing that's protecting these people from, like, the Montebello Pro-Rock of Tours, kid getting tasering, the only thing that's protecting them is it being recorded and put out on YouTube.

02:47:05.000 And by the way, it's now admitted the cops were hitting people trying to stage a riot so they could attack peaceful protesters.

02:47:11.000 That's now mainstream news.

02:47:13.000 Yeah.

02:47:13.000 A major victory against government-sponsored terror.

02:47:16.000 That's what that is.

02:47:17.000 They're having a North American Union Summit.

02:47:19.000 They don't want people protesting.

02:47:21.000 They see no protesting in the city.

02:47:22.000 People show up anyways, and they're more sophisticated than Burma. 1.00

02:47:26.000 Instead of just coming out and shooting everybody, they have their guys dressed up, starting fights so they can then shoot rubber bullets at everybody.

02:47:33.000 That is a training aid and a prelude to real bullets being used.

02:47:37.000 Will you let them?

02:47:38.000 Absolutely.

02:47:39.000 You know, you stop and think about it.

02:47:41.000 People keep hollering about the war that's going on right now over in Iraq.

02:47:45.000 Do you know how many American service people are left here in our country?

02:47:50.000 Protecting our shores.

02:47:52.000 Did you know that they have well over 200,000 plus foreigners who were illegal aliens, many of them aggravated felons, now in our military?

02:48:02.000 Yeah.

02:48:03.000 Think about that, because it's really important.

02:48:05.000 Right now, we do have a call online from our area, if it's okay, Alex.

02:48:08.000 Let's take it.

02:48:09.000 Mark, that would be you, and we say good morning.

02:48:11.000 You're on with Alex Jones, and yours truly.

02:48:13.000 Hey, gents, how are you guys doing?

02:48:15.000 Hey, hey, hey, I'll tell you what, Lou, we've got a break for the final break.

02:48:17.000 Let's come back to him, okay?

02:48:18.000 Okay.

02:48:18.000 Hey, you're going to be back in three quick minutes.

02:48:20.000 We'll go right to Lou's caller, and then I've got to wrap it up with Lou Epton.

02:48:23.000 We need to do this more often, not just once a year, Lou.

02:48:26.000 Okay, you've got a deal, Alex.

02:48:28.000 We'll be right back.

02:48:29.000 All right, we'll be right back.

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02:51:56.000 North to Alaska to go north for us, your song.

02:52:02.000 Big Sam left Seattle in the year of the year.

02:52:06.000 Well, I really appreciate Lou Epton coming on with us.

02:52:08.000 I'm into the final segment here.

02:52:10.000 Before we take that final call, Lou, I just wanted to add that if you go to PrisonPlanet.com, it says, "FBI thought bombs brought down towers on 9/11." In the DIG comments there on the DIG message board, they're saying, oh, we thought it was ceramite, we thought it was bombs in the buildings.

02:52:26.000 You're saying, no, it was truck bombs.

02:52:28.000 No!

02:52:29.000 We're showing that the FBI, the way the buildings blew up, thought there were bombs too, because it looked like controlled demolitions.

02:52:36.000 And then they arrested people with explosives in trucks, and were ordered to let them go.

02:52:41.000 That's what we said.

02:52:42.000 We need to add that so people can't spin what we're saying.

02:52:45.000 We're showing the official story as a fraud.

02:52:48.000 Lou, you want to go to that crawler?

02:52:49.000 Okay, we've got him.

02:52:51.000 Mark, you're on, and let's go for it.

02:52:52.000 Hey, it's good to hear you guys together.

02:52:55.000 I live here in Las Vegas, long-time listener of The Alex Jones Show.

02:52:59.000 I just wanted to bring you guys to the attention.

02:53:01.000 Alex, you might be interested in this.

02:53:03.000 There's a book that came out recently.

02:53:04.000 I don't know if you're familiar with it.

02:53:06.000 It's called Falling Off the Thin Blue Line.

02:53:08.000 And it's about the steroid problem in law enforcement.

02:53:14.000 Yeah, they've done federal studies.

02:53:16.000 It's the highest level group of any profession on steroids.

02:53:19.000 Yes, and these people, they go on steroids and give them the right rage. 1.00

02:53:25.000 It's like, no wonder they're going crazy, Alex.

02:53:29.000 So I thought that might be of interest to you.

02:53:32.000 It sounds like it might be a pretty interesting guest to have on sometime, Alex.

02:53:36.000 No, there definitely a lot of them are on ROID.

02:53:38.000 You can see it.

02:53:38.000 They got the water buffalo hump on their back, fatty muscle, and long-term guys that really screws up your endocrine system and your male organs, and you don't need that to be tough.

02:53:49.000 And not only that, they shouldn't even be doing that.

02:53:51.000 If there's somebody who they need to take down... It's a Schedule III.

02:53:54.000 It's the same as cocaine.

02:53:56.000 They should call backup if there's somebody who's bigger than them they need to take down.

02:54:00.000 There's really no reason.

02:54:03.000 It's all about trying to intimidate us, Alex.

02:54:05.000 Yeah, they look at us as the enemy, I guess, Alex.

02:54:10.000 No question about that.

02:54:11.000 Well, I think we're out of time.

02:54:12.000 Lou Epton, I want to really thank you for having me on your show, and I want to thank KLAV, AM 1230, for having you on for the last 16 plus years.

02:54:23.000 And I would invite them, I know they can't pick up my weekday show, it's on the same time as you, they ought to pick up the Sunday show, 4 to 6 p.m.

02:54:29.000 Central, Well, I'll find out.

02:54:30.000 And I guess that would be 2 to 4 Pacific.

02:54:33.000 And then it's also retransmitted over and over again by the Genesis Network.

02:54:37.000 So I would love to have KLAV pick up the Sunday show.

02:54:41.000 They've got an opening, Luke.

02:54:42.000 Well, I'll find out.

02:54:43.000 By golly, if it's a possibility, it'll be doable.

02:54:47.000 And you'll hear from us.

02:54:48.000 Well, I come in every Sunday.

02:54:51.000 I've been doing it for about eight months.

02:54:53.000 We've got about 14 affiliates.

02:54:54.000 It's growing.

02:54:55.000 And Lou, who knows?

02:54:56.000 Maybe we should get you to talk to the network and see about getting a rebroadcast of your KLV or something on KLAV here on the GCN Radio Network because you are just so fabulous, my friend.

02:55:09.000 God bless you.

02:55:09.000 Thank you so much, Alex.

02:55:11.000 God bless you.

02:55:11.000 And by the way, you have more outstanding videos that I hope people are taking advantage of because it explores, it explains reality of what's been going on, okay?

02:55:21.000 Thank you.

02:55:22.000 Thank you for having me on your show this morning and for your being on my show this morning or this afternoon, whatever, wherever people might be.

02:55:31.000 If I might mention my website, it's a very difficult one.

02:55:33.000 It's simply theleweptonshow.com.

02:55:36.000 There's some information on there.

02:55:38.000 A real tribute to the late Aaron Russo.

02:55:40.000 We've got a link to it up on infowars.com.

02:55:42.000 Thank you, Luke.

02:55:43.000 God bless you.

02:55:44.000 Thank you so much, Alex Jones.

02:55:45.000 You bet.

02:55:45.000 Take care.

02:55:47.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's it for today.

02:55:49.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight central here on the network.

02:55:51.000 On the internet, you can listen and restream 24 hours a day.

02:55:54.000 I get into the most horrible thing I've ever seen on television in my life in the first hour of the day.

02:56:00.000 So tune in right now.

02:56:01.000 Go to InfoWars.com.

02:56:02.000 We have the network streams right there.

02:56:04.000 And I, the whole hour, really go over a key analogy of life today in our society.

02:56:09.000 It was such an important hour.

02:56:10.000 I want you to tune in right now and listen to the first hour of the show.

02:56:14.000 If you don't have time, you can catch it as it airs concurrently until the next live show tomorrow at 11 a.m.

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Alex Jones Show - October 11, 2007

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