Alex Jones Show - 20080321_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 You want answers?

00:00:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:14.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:35.000 Welcome.

00:00:36.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:00:38.000 It is already Tuesday, the 26th day of February, 2008.

00:00:43.000 We're going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:48.000 And guess who we have joining us today?

00:00:50.000 Eva Orner.

00:00:53.000 Just a couple nights ago, she got the Academy Award for Best Documentary, 2008, Taxi to the Dark Side, about rendition, secret arrest, and the torture camps.

00:01:08.000 And in my goings and comings and travels, Eva Orner called me, I guess, about eight months ago and came with a documentary film crew, the same folks that made a lot of famous films.

00:01:24.000 And they came here to town.

00:01:26.000 They made Brothers Keeper and Metallica, some kind of monster in Paradise Lost.

00:01:32.000 She came here with Joe Ballinger, the famous filmmaker, and interviewed me for some upcoming work they're doing.

00:01:40.000 And I got a chance to talk to her about how they were finishing up Taxi to the Dark Side.

00:01:46.000 And it beat Michael Moore's Sicko for the 2008 Best Documentary.

00:01:51.000 And it's pretty hardcore.

00:01:52.000 Frankly, it could have been even more hardcore, but it's a lot of great research.

00:01:56.000 Amazing.

00:01:57.000 They were in Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it.

00:01:59.000 A lot of stuff I had never seen.

00:02:00.000 Photos and videos of torture I had never seen.

00:02:03.000 And then disgusting interviews with John Yoo and others.

00:02:07.000 And some of the torture guards.

00:02:09.000 So she's going to be popping in later in the show to talk about the Academy Award.

00:02:16.000 She is the producer.

00:02:18.000 An amazing lady. 1.00

00:02:19.000 Headline, Australian wins documentary Oscar Eva Orner.

00:02:23.000 You can Google that.

00:02:25.000 An Oscar for Eva?

00:02:27.000 While Belfort misses out.

00:02:30.000 And you can just type Eva Orner into Google and read all about it or taxi to the dark side.

00:02:34.000 Orner wins.

00:02:37.000 Oscar slams US as war criminals.

00:02:42.000 So very, very powerful information.

00:02:47.000 And then, of course, this weekend I saw a 9-11 blogger blurb from, it was actually from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.

00:02:54.000 One of their members was at an event and saw Willie Nelson's daughter, Paula Nelson, who's a great musician and singer in her own right, at an event and said, hey, do you agree with your dad's statement?

00:03:07.000 She said, oh yeah, I agree with it, of course.

00:03:10.000 And so I thought, why not just have her on?

00:03:13.000 I thought about having her on a few weeks ago, but I thought, you know, I'll give the Nelsons a rest. 0.95

00:03:17.000 We've had her dad on twice, but... Today, right now, we're going to get the Dixie Chicks on. 1.00

00:03:24.000 We're going to get some other folks on as well, talk about the war, a lot of other issues we're lining up right now.

00:03:31.000 Some other really big guests as well, but coming up later today, we will have Paula Nelson on the show, talk about her dad, her own career, What it's like being Willie Nelson's daughter, what it's like being a musician who speaks out politically to play some of her songs as well.

00:03:52.000 That is coming up later in the show today on this Tuesday 26th of February 2008.

00:03:59.000 six of february two thousand and eight in the meantime trader green span urges gulf states to abandon the dollar

00:04:13.000 Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a trader working against the interest of the American people by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.

00:04:32.000 Another report here.

00:04:33.000 Here comes the $739 billion Taxpayer bailout.

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00:07:56.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:07:59.000 Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker about torture exposing John Yoo and the neocons.

00:08:23.000 eva orner will be joining us And, of course, Paula Nelson, one of the prominent children of Willie Nelson, a great musician and vocalist in her own right, joining us in the third hour today.

00:08:37.000 Trader Greenspan Urges Gulf states to abandon the dollar.

00:08:42.000 You know, that's quite a headline by Paul Watson up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.

00:08:49.000 It's an amazing headline, and that's actually what he said.

00:08:55.000 And the implications of that.

00:08:58.000 All we have left in this country is our fiat currency.

00:09:01.000 I mean, 80 plus percent of our industrial base has been moved overseas.

00:09:06.000 The service economy is faltering.

00:09:08.000 Debt, corporate, private, government is leveraged at all-time highs.

00:09:13.000 We are on the verge of economic collapse, according to the majority of experts, financial forecasters.

00:09:22.000 We're hoping for just a deep recession and not a financial calamity.

00:09:29.000 We've been talking a lot about that the last few years here.

00:09:31.000 As this perfect storm came together.

00:09:35.000 But to have Greenspan come out and encourage Arabs to move away from the dollar, which will precipitate its downfall, is so they can fully wreck it, and then dollarize, is how they're going to term it, in the future, the North American, and then the entire Pan-American Western Hemisphere, And claim, oh, we had to reorganize the dollar and put it to an international peg to rebuild it, which is the trilateral plan for now more than 30 years. 0.77

00:10:06.000 34 years now.

00:10:09.000 And this is quite a signal here.

00:10:12.000 The world has still not completely abandoned the dollar.

00:10:14.000 They're slowly creeping away from it, from China to Japan to Germany to Russia to Iran.

00:10:22.000 The neocons get on radio and say, Iran's dumping the dollar, it's their fault!

00:10:26.000 While the government itself does everything it can to have a weak dollar policy.

00:10:30.000 Cheney, three years ago, dumped all of his dollars.

00:10:34.000 But that's never really discussed.

00:10:35.000 It's all, it's Iran's fault. 1.00

00:10:37.000 They get it!

00:10:39.000 So, the neocons carry out this operation for their banker masters, and then blame it on Iran.

00:10:46.000 As they always do.

00:10:47.000 As if one country could swing The dollar out of its global reserve currency position into one of a faltering currency.

00:10:59.000 Trader Greenspan urges Gulf States to abandon dollar.

00:11:02.000 This is a big deal.

00:11:05.000 Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a trader working against the interest of the American people by urging Gulf States to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.

00:11:17.000 The dollar peg Mandates Gulf nations to price their assets in U.S.

00:11:22.000 dollars and follow U.S. 0.95

00:11:23.000 monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting interest rates, a system that has produced a boom in oil revenue but led to high inflation as the dollar weakens.

00:11:34.000 Well, if they move off the dollar peg, it'll only make the dollar weaken even more and will, quote, cost us more oil.

00:11:42.000 You've got to love the mainstream media spin.

00:11:43.000 Paul's basically quoting it there.

00:11:46.000 It, this is a quote, it de-pegged it probably The most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets on the monetary system, and therefore the monetary base, which is basically the major force in inflationary pressures, Greenspan told the Abu Dhabi Corporate Leadership Forum yesterday.

00:12:07.000 This is all quoted out of the Financial Times of London, AP, everybody carried it.

00:12:13.000 So he's saying, you know, oil's $100 a barrel because the dollar's been devalued And you guys are pricing oil in dollars.

00:12:22.000 Well, just take it off of dollars and price it in euros or price it in a currency that's worth more per unit.

00:12:30.000 Well, you'll still have just as expensive oil if they price it at the equivalent of 62 euros instead of 100 dollars.

00:12:41.000 But if they do that, It'll actually just make the dollar even lose more favor and then lose more confidence and lose more value.

00:12:49.000 And then we'll probably be paying $120 a barrel, which is what the elite wants.

00:12:52.000 So Greenspan, this is like going to someone who's sick, who's got a toe chopped off and chopping their entire foot off.

00:13:03.000 This is just basic monetary, basic economic information.

00:13:08.000 But the general public Can't find the U.S.

00:13:11.000 on a map.

00:13:12.000 Doesn't know the three branches of government.

00:13:14.000 They hear this and they probably think it's a good idea.

00:13:16.000 Oh, yes!

00:13:18.000 Abandon the dollar further!

00:13:20.000 Oh, great idea!

00:13:21.000 That's just... No, they're trying to kill the dollar.

00:13:25.000 This is the biggest sign yet that they are openly trying to destroy this economy, while being hailed as big fixers at the same time.

00:13:31.000 According to economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.

00:13:37.000 dollar, As the currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.

00:13:43.000 In the short term, free floating will not fully dissipate inflationary pressure, although it would significantly do so.

00:13:48.000 What does that mean?

00:13:51.000 Add a green span, giving a green light for Gulf Stage to drop the dollar pick.

00:13:57.000 Don't you love that double speak?

00:14:00.000 In the short term, free floating will not fully Disappoint inflationary pressure, though it would significantly do so.

00:14:12.000 According to economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.

00:14:17.000 dollar as a currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.

00:14:20.000 In Asia, central banks hold today more than 80% of the global foreign exchange reserves, which indicate the shift of the global economy domination towards Asia.

00:14:30.000 It seems quite awkward that the UAE still maintains the peg of its currency to the U.S.

00:14:36.000 dollar, she told Gulf News.

00:14:38.000 You know what?

00:14:39.000 I know we have Eva Warner coming on.

00:14:40.000 I know we have Paula Nelson. 0.94

00:14:42.000 But in the second hour, we've got some time.

00:14:46.000 Get me Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, or get me, just tell them a ten-minute interview.

00:14:50.000 I want some of their comments on this to get there.

00:14:53.000 I know what they're going to say, but you need to hear it from experts.

00:14:56.000 Or try to pop in and get Bob Chapman.

00:15:02.000 We can get them quick and easy.

00:15:03.000 They're good guys.

00:15:04.000 We hear the same thing from Joseph Steklitz, Nobel Prize winner, Chief Economist, World Bank, former Chief Economist.

00:15:10.000 Or you'd hear it from any other expert.

00:15:11.000 We could get George Humphrey in here.

00:15:13.000 Very accredited economist and businessman.

00:15:16.000 Folks, let me just give it to you straight.

00:15:19.000 All we have left, you've heard all the experts here, is the dollar.

00:15:23.000 Okay, and it's tanking right now.

00:15:25.000 Slowly sliding into oblivion.

00:15:28.000 This is Greenspan literally trying to... The dollar is like a drowning man or drowning woman fighting to get air, struggling every minute or so to get one quick gulp of air and being pushed back under by the global architects of the financial infrastructure.

00:15:49.000 And now the dollar's been underwater about four minutes Water's going into our lungs, we're starting to pass out, and we had one chance to get to the shore, get a gulp of air, get to shore, and Greenspan literally has basically taken a hammer and hit the drowning person on the head.

00:16:06.000 This is unbelievable.

00:16:08.000 I do not have words to explain how devastating this is, how evil.

00:16:14.000 This is how over-the-top we will be completely financially destroyed.

00:16:22.000 And by the way, every financial expert we've interviewed, even mainline analysts say that if the dollar plunges another 20% even, they're talking about more now.

00:16:34.000 Depending on the expert, 20-30%.

00:16:36.000 If it does that, it will bring down other currencies.

00:16:38.000 It will cause a worldwide implosion.

00:16:42.000 Anybody who wondered whether the central bankers And the big banks that are out there, you know, rating junk as AAA and selling securities and selling credit card debt, they bundle that and then sell it as some wonderful security when it's horrible debt, very dangerous, especially at this time in history, historically very bad investments.

00:17:07.000 And they've been AAA rating it.

00:17:11.000 The states are about to go bankrupt.

00:17:12.000 The federal government is bankrupt.

00:17:15.000 You've got 40-plus percent inflation in the last couple of years combined with people on fixed incomes in red-level crisis already.

00:17:22.000 All of this is cascading now into businesses and companies in the service industry and into the automobile industry, manufacturing durable value-added goods.

00:17:35.000 And Greenspan Well, I mean, he's been doing this now for the last year, coming out and bad-mouthing the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the economy.

00:17:48.000 This is just... I'm actually dumbfounded right now.

00:17:53.000 I, uh... I'm not even shaken.

00:17:56.000 I'm more just... stunned.

00:18:02.000 I'm, uh... I don't even know what... I'm literally speechless.

00:18:07.000 Let me just read the article here.

00:18:11.000 This is incredible.

00:18:12.000 Greenspan's zeal to destroy the dollar is evident in numerous public statements he has made predicting the replacement of the dollar with the euro as the world reserve currency.

00:18:21.000 The former Fed chairman has repeatedly bad-mouthed the dollar and hyped the inevitability of economic chaos at a time when market confidence is in the toilet.

00:18:32.000 Greenspan's rhetoric matches that of the IMF, who in October of last year brazenly slammed the dollar as an overvalue at the same time the greenback hit its all-time low against the euro.

00:18:44.000 A decision on behalf of the Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg would have disastrous consequences for the greenback and the American economy.

00:18:51.000 Such a move could lead the likes of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia To diversify their foreign exchange holdings out of dollars.

00:19:00.000 This would amount to a vote of no confidence in the dollar and may cause other countries with large dollar reserves, may cause, it's already happening, such as China and Japan to follow suit and begin dumping the green back in mass.

00:19:11.000 They've already been doing it.

00:19:12.000 But yeah, that would accelerate that.

00:19:15.000 This is it, folks. 0.97

00:19:17.000 And the public is so ignorant and so ill-informed that you watch, you're going to be at the Church, or golf course, or the mall, or family. 0.96

00:19:28.000 When we're in a depression, hearing them tell you about how Greenspan's working to save us. 1.00

00:19:33.000 They just need to be slapped upside the head. 0.97

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00:28:47.000 Yeah, that film calling for socialized health care lost, but the film exposing the bloodthirsty torture and macabre activities and the orders from Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo, That's now been exposed.

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00:33:06.000 Australian wins documentary Oscar, Ivo Orner.

00:33:10.000 She is the producer.

00:33:12.000 An Oscar for Ivo.

00:33:14.000 Another headline, Harold's son.

00:33:16.000 Oscar winner Eva Orner slams U.S. 0.99

00:33:17.000 government as war criminals. 0.92

00:33:18.000 They are war criminals.

00:33:21.000 We had Willie Nelson on again last week.

00:33:22.000 We've got his daughter, quite a musician in her own right, and vocalist joining us in the third hour.

00:33:27.000 Bunch of financial news coming up as Greenspan tries to kill the dollar.

00:33:31.000 But I really appreciate her and her busy schedule.

00:33:33.000 HBO just bought the film, and it's an amazing documentary.

00:33:39.000 Let's go ahead and play the trailer.

00:33:41.000 It's not as powerful, obviously, as the Film, but here's the audio from the trailer of Taxi Cab to the Dark Side.

00:33:48.000 Here it is.

00:33:51.000 On December 5, 2002, Dillawar, a young Afghan taxi driver, was brought to Bagram.

00:33:58.000 Five days after his arrival, he was dead.

00:34:00.000 A U.S. 0.66

00:34:01.000 major took the books for homicide.

00:34:03.000 I said, my God, they've killed him.

00:34:05.000 It became plausible to me that this man wasn't even guilty of anything and he was murdered in detention.

00:34:10.000 You put people in a crazy situation, people do crazy things. - Yes.

00:34:23.000 People were being told to rough up Iraqis that wouldn't cooperate. 0.76

00:34:27.000 We were also told they're nothing but dogs. 0.91

00:34:29.000 Interrogators were telling the guards, strip this guy naked, chain him up to the bed in an uncomfortable position, do whatever you can.

00:34:35.000 You had these young soldiers with very little training, just as the rules were changing.

00:34:39.000 And they weren't told what the new rules were.

00:34:42.000 You start looking at these people as less than human, and you start doing things to them you would never dream of.

00:34:48.000 And that's where it got scary.

00:34:51.000 It was only the night shift.

00:34:53.000 There's always a few bad apples to brass new.

00:34:55.000 They saw him shackled and hooded, and they said, right on, y'all are doing a great job.

00:35:00.000 There were emails from FBI personnel down at Guantanamo saying, you won't believe what's going on down here.

00:35:06.000 We've got to disassociate ourselves.

00:35:08.000 You have no right to a lawyer.

00:35:10.000 You have no right to witnesses.

00:35:12.000 You don't really know what the charges are, and you certainly don't know what the secret evidence is against you.

00:35:18.000 They saw an intentional decision taken at the height of the Pentagon to put out a fog of ambiguity.

00:35:25.000 I have to work the dark side, if you will.

00:35:34.000 We're going to spend time in the shadows.

00:35:36.000 What starts at the top of the chain of command drops like a rock down the chain of command.

00:35:41.000 American values are premised upon the notion of human dignity.

00:35:44.000 We don't know what revenge is coming down the road.

00:35:48.000 There will be no outrageous upon human dignity.

00:35:55.000 It's very vague.

00:35:59.000 Taxi to the Dark Side, taken from Channing, talking about we're in the dark side now.

00:36:04.000 Eva Orner, congratulations.

00:36:07.000 I'm really honored to count you as a friend.

00:36:08.000 You're an amazing filmmaker.

00:36:09.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:36:11.000 It's lovely to be on your show as a guest.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, it's been a pretty great week so far, what can I say?

00:36:19.000 What was it like to be, I mean we're talking about the film of course, but to be nominated and then to win when they said Eva Orner and Taxi to the Dark Side?

00:36:28.000 You know, it was really great.

00:36:30.000 We were so hoping we were going to win because It's such an important film, and all of the documentary nominees this year, out of five films, four of them were war-related films.

00:36:41.000 There was a film about Iraq, No End in Sight, there was Operation Homecoming about the soldiers, and it was a great acknowledgement from the Academy that something is wrong with this country, and the Academy is a very conservative force, so it was really a great vindication and validation of all of our work.

00:36:58.000 We were concerned, because of all the films, ours is the darkest, it's about torture, it's You know, it's incredibly critical of the administration.

00:37:05.000 It features waterboarding, it features funny, difficult subjects, and we were a little nervous that maybe it was too dark for the Academy, but we really wanted to win.

00:37:13.000 And also, you know, I must talk about Alex Gidney, who's the writer, director, producer.

00:37:18.000 I'm the producer of the film.

00:37:19.000 And, you know, he's been making films for a long time.

00:37:22.000 He made Enron, Smartest Guys in the Room.

00:37:24.000 He was nominated for another Oscar a couple of years ago.

00:37:26.000 And we're so thrilled because he's so deserving.

00:37:29.000 He's one of the best filmmakers working in the country today.

00:37:32.000 It was great vindication and validation, and you know, it was really fun.

00:37:38.000 Well, you've done an incredible job as the producer, the head honcho over the whole deal, and I'm just blessed and lucky to have ever even bumped into you, even as you're so smart and such a sweet person.

00:37:49.000 You also have the clip, we had Professor Castle on a few years ago when this first came out, You know, the clip where John Yoo writes in these memos about crushing children's testicles in front of their parents, and then Professor Castle at a closed CFR meeting, even the CFRs mad at him in Chicago.

00:38:05.000 You're not supposed to record it, but Castle did.

00:38:07.000 He had to get this out.

00:38:08.000 And Yoo just says, yeah, the President has that authority.

00:38:11.000 I mean, immersing yourself in this film, you guys started working on this film back when it still wasn't You know, kosher to get into this type of topic back when the regime was still riding high to a certain extent.

00:38:27.000 So tell us about the process of deciding to make this film, when it began, all these locations.

00:38:33.000 I mean, it's such an incredible feeling getting to interview some of the guards that did the torture, people who were convicted and sent to jail.

00:38:40.000 But you have the memos and documents where they were ordered to do it.

00:38:43.000 I mean, just basically the process, Eva.

00:38:46.000 Sure.

00:38:47.000 When the film started, we finished the film about a year ago, and it's been on the festival circuit for the year, and it's obviously just been released.

00:38:54.000 But, you know, we started making it a year and a half ago before that, so it's really a two and a half year process.

00:38:59.000 And the film came out of some conversations with Alex, who's the director, and a couple of extraordinary people who became executive producers and actually put a lot of money into the film when no one else would.

00:39:10.000 And it came out of a conversation about what is going on in this country.

00:39:13.000 Things are being reported in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:39:16.000 Why aren't people in the streets?

00:39:18.000 Why aren't people screaming?

00:39:19.000 The rule of law is being broken.

00:39:21.000 There is no regard for habeas corpus.

00:39:24.000 The Geneva Conventions are being disregarded.

00:39:27.000 And it was just this conversation that was just about rage.

00:39:31.000 And it was a conversation involving patriotic Americans who were so disturbed by what was happening to their country.

00:39:39.000 And, you know, people have branded the film anti-American and it's the complete opposite.

00:39:42.000 It's about the preservation of what made America great and what America should be.

00:39:46.000 So, you know, a couple of the executive producers, one was Rob Johnson, who used to be, you know, a right-hand man of George Soros.

00:39:52.000 Another one was John Glasgow, who's an incredible human rights attorney.

00:39:56.000 Sidney Blumenthal, who was one of Bill Clinton's policy advisors in the Clinton administration.

00:40:02.000 These people all came forward early on.

00:40:05.000 They put their money where their mouths were and really helped us out because we were having trouble getting distributors to put money up on the film.

00:40:11.000 Alex's previous film was incredibly successful, Enron, as I said, and a lot of people were saying, is this really the follow-up film you want to make to Enron?

00:40:19.000 This could be a really big mistake.

00:40:20.000 It could be career damaging.

00:40:23.000 You know, kudos to Alex for having the unbelievable courage, tenacity, and dogged determination to say, I have to make this film.

00:40:30.000 We have to make this film.

00:40:33.000 So that was sort of the genesis of the film.

00:40:35.000 And then from there, you know, we gathered, as you know with documentaries, we gathered a small and very hardworking crew of people.

00:40:43.000 You know, we had one researcher, we had another producer.

00:40:47.000 You know, it was a team of like six people and it was really about Getting access, getting information, you know, using a lot of archival material, which you know is hard to source, and really convincing people to talk on this film and to be a part of this film.

00:41:02.000 So that was, you know, the initial process.

00:41:05.000 Did you, I mean, of course you learned a lot making the film, did you ever get really creeped out?

00:41:12.000 Yeah.

00:41:13.000 It was, I think we all say often, it was really, It was the hardest film I think any of us have ever made.

00:41:20.000 I mean, you know, the material's grueling.

00:41:23.000 You know what it's like when you're in an edit suite looking at horrible material.

00:41:25.000 You know, we got a lot of classified photographs that nobody has seen before from Abu Ghraib.

00:41:31.000 The thing that I find the most disturbing in the film is actually there's just some cell phone video from inside the prisons of prisoners smashing their heads against walls and collapsing.

00:41:41.000 I mean, it's just so brutal and so inhumane and unhuman.

00:41:46.000 It's just...

00:41:47.000 It's hard to be around that kind of material all the time.

00:41:51.000 It sounds so silly, but one of the saving graces of us making this film and keeping our sanity was we were making another film at the same time, which was a lot lighter in subject.

00:42:00.000 It just premiered at Sundance in competition, and it's about Hunter S. Thompson, the great writer.

00:42:07.000 We were able to bounce between the projects a little bit, because a year and a half being immersed in torture and your failing country is very hard to take.

00:42:18.000 You bring away from the film, with the eyewitnesses, the documents, the death certificates, that the White House, with the memos, the orders, the systematic, whether it was in Cuba or Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay, where our government has a base, or in Afghanistan, that it was all the same standard torture, the same sensory deprivation, hanging people from the tops of their cells for days on end.

00:42:44.000 All of this, beating people till they're according to the coroner's reports, liquefied the tissue in their bodies, literally turning them into Jell-O.

00:42:53.000 And then to have the White House send people to prison who they ordered to do this, but then that was enlisted people, but promote the individuals, the officers who were actually above it.

00:43:08.000 And the one lady who ran it in Iraq and Afghanistan, they send her to the interrogation training base, and now she's over training. 1.00

00:43:17.000 I mean, to know that the White House ordered all this, and then when they got caught, they said, oh no, we're not behind this.

00:43:25.000 And of course, you also point out how 24 has created a constituency for torture, how they're brainwashing.

00:43:31.000 Can you talk about that?

00:43:33.000 I mean, you know, I think the villains of the film, obviously, are George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, John Yoo and Gonzales.

00:43:40.000 But, you know, the big criminal, I'm ashamed to say, is a woman called Carolyn Wood, who obviously did not interview for the film and has done absolutely no media.

00:43:49.000 You know, she went from prison to prison enforcing these torture methods. 1.00

00:43:53.000 And as you say now, you know, her punishment for This great violation of human rights and, you know, the American way is to be, you know, to end up in a training, an interrogation training military facility.

00:44:05.000 So, you know, she's a complete villain. 1.00

00:44:07.000 She does no media. 0.84

00:44:08.000 She does nothing.

00:44:09.000 And I guess the most interesting thing, one of the most interesting things in the film is, you know, a bunch of these young officers, these ex-military guys that we have in the film who are young.

00:44:17.000 I think it's fair to say a lot of them aren't overly educated and certainly weren't educated in the ways of the military.

00:44:23.000 And they were thrown into these situations where they were untrained interrogators.

00:44:27.000 Some of them had never come across the Geneva Conventions, and that's what the higher-ups wanted.

00:44:31.000 And they were put into these incredible situations of stress, of fear of terrorism in America, that was placed on their shoulders, and they had to get information by any means possible, often from innocent people who had just been picked up in the fields of Afghanistan.

00:44:49.000 And what's so interesting is we managed to get a number of these people to talk to us, and I think they're the heroes of the film, because They're so brave, and they're so honest, and they know they did the wrong thing, but they're also willing to talk about the fact that they're misguided, and, you know, when you're put into a bad situation, people do bad things.

00:45:05.000 Well, you also captured the essence, you also captured in the film the essence, and this is the point we've always made from guests and witnesses that we've had on, just in a radio format, that this was the White House and their technocrats seducing the military, seducing the public, really trying to sell us on the most barbarous forms uh... of uh... torture and everything in your film is documented in fact i think it

00:45:30.000 I don't want to say it's soft, it's horrible, it's about as hardcore as it can get, but, you know, reality is even several steps deeper and worse.

00:45:37.000 Like the Army Zone report from General Togumbo, where they admit raping the people, using acid with large objects.

00:45:44.000 I mean, I can't even get into it on air, but this is even on MSNBC.

00:45:48.000 So as bad as the film is, I want people to understand, and it was very upsetting even to me, I got tears in my eyes several times, studying this, Studying torture for the last 10 years, knowing our government for decades has been training the world how to torture, I think it makes the film even stronger that you guys, I know, could have even made it more hardcore, and the CIA admits, we've had the former section chief on, that they wouldn't arrest real Al-Qaeda or Taliban,

00:46:15.000 In fact, Taliban and Al-Qaeda would go just grab goat herders and turn them over and get $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 in some cases, and the bases even knew that they were innocent, but they would then send them on after being tortured out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, to Camp X-Ray in Cuba to keep the cover-up going, and then the CIA brainwashing.

00:46:36.000 I mean, it's just so incredible, and I'm trying to describe a 90-minute film here, and I guess it's impossible to do on radio.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, I mean, that's really covered in our film, you're absolutely right.

00:46:48.000 And one of the examples of that is, in order to tell this story in a cinematic and interesting way, we had to find a story and a metaphor for what this government is doing and what torture can do to people.

00:46:59.000 And we found that in the story of Dilawar, who's this young Afghani cab driver who's innocently picked up and sent to Bagram, where he's, as you say, he's pulpified to death, essentially. 0.77

00:47:10.000 He's beaten by the military and he ends up dead.

00:47:14.000 He was picked up in a cab.

00:47:16.000 He was driving with two other people who were both innocent.

00:47:18.000 And they were actually, after Dillawar died, they were sent on for absolutely no reason.

00:47:23.000 It was proven that they were innocent.

00:47:24.000 And they were sent to Guantanamo, where they remained for a couple of years.

00:47:28.000 They've since been released and returned to Afghanistan.

00:47:30.000 But it was just about filling up this facility.

00:47:33.000 It was about saving space for the government.

00:47:35.000 It was about, you know, getting 500 men with dark skin and showing them to the world in orange jumpsuits as terrorists. 0.99

00:47:41.000 And it's just...

00:47:42.000 It's incomprehensible to me, and it's incomprehensible to me that some of the Republican frontrunners, who are no longer, thank goodness, in the upcoming elections, were saying we need to double the size of Guantanamo, based on what, this incredible success?

00:48:00.000 I mean, come on!

00:48:01.000 It just doesn't make any sense, having made this film and being so I'd say with all of this material, it still just is like a bad movie.

00:48:10.000 Well, Eva, your film's been done for a year, but it's very timely now, because they're gonna try a bunch of these people who have no connection to 9-11, and after six years of incarceration and torture, even mainstream news is saying, you can't believe anything they say, and then these trials aren't even real trials.

00:48:28.000 So now we're gonna have kangaroo courts six years later?

00:48:32.000 Well, and the death penalty is what they're going for.

00:48:34.000 I mean, it's pretty, it's unbelievable.

00:48:36.000 And, you know, we have a number of human rights attorneys in the film and they talk about the fact that they had no access to their clients for many years and how preposterous that was.

00:48:44.000 And one of my favorite comments and one of my favorite characters is Clive Stafford Smith, who's an English human rights attorney.

00:48:50.000 And he says, you know, when I was studying in America, I had, it never crossed my mind that I would be having trouble to get access to my clients and that my clients would have no right to a trial.

00:49:00.000 I mean, it's just, It's just, it just makes no sense.

00:49:04.000 It's the same kind of thought for me as, you know, when I was, I'm 38 years old, and when I was studying, and I'm Australian, and when I was studying in Australia, legal studies, learning about these great precedent cases like Roe versus Wade, and suddenly, you know, 25, 30 years later, there's a possibility that they'll be turned over, and it just, it just doesn't make sense.

00:49:23.000 It seems so, it seems like the world's a little, a little backwards these days.

00:49:28.000 Well, what they do is, and you point this out, they get everybody into fear.

00:49:32.000 And then they try to set the precedent to be able to torture children.

00:49:36.000 In fact, let's go ahead and you've got two different John Yoo clips.

00:49:40.000 Play the short one, John, first.

00:49:41.000 This is John Yoo in the CFR being questioned by Professor Castle about writing that they can sexually torture children.

00:49:48.000 Here it is.

00:49:48.000 The argument I'm making about adaptation of the rules is a question of what the United States should be as a matter of international law, which I treat as being a separate and distinctly law from domestic law.

00:49:59.000 So, in other words, if the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop that.

00:50:08.000 No treaty. 0.98

00:50:10.000 And also no law by Congress.

00:50:12.000 That's what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.

00:50:14.000 I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

00:50:17.000 I don't think the President will ever... And then even the elitist CFR in Chicago laughed at him.

00:50:26.000 Eva Orner, the Justice Department's investigating him.

00:50:29.000 There's talk of indictments against John, you know, Eva.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable.

00:50:34.000 I mean, I won't believe it until I see it.

00:50:35.000 But, you know, I always feel like these guys who are involved in this administration have so heavily self-protected themselves.

00:50:43.000 You know, I feel like they've written in all of this legislation to protect themselves from any kind of questioning or any possibility.

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00:54:31.000 Eva Orner's coming straight on for the neocon Bush administration. 0.93

00:54:35.000 She's in papers all over the world saying war criminals run our government.

00:54:41.000 And if we don't bring them to justice, it'll then be in our name.

00:54:44.000 And people will see Americans as the Germans were seen after Hitler.

00:54:51.000 I mean, this is hardcore murder of innocent people who they knew were innocent, literally just to have the illusion while Bush is saying, don't go after bin Laden, Well, he supposedly said attacked us.

00:55:02.000 Meanwhile, let's take some, you know, 15, 13, in some cases, year old kids.

00:55:07.000 Let's torture him.

00:55:08.000 Eva Orner, you've got a delivery coming to your hotel room here in just a minute.

00:55:14.000 You may have to drop off and come back for a few minutes with us, but there's so many facets.

00:55:18.000 Other areas of the film, Taxi to the Dark Side, that just won the Academy Awards Sunday night for Best Documentary.

00:55:24.000 Other facets, points I haven't brought up.

00:55:26.000 What do you think the most chilling and upsetting part of the film is?

00:55:30.000 I mean, you're the expert on this.

00:55:34.000 You lead.

00:55:35.000 I mean, oh God, what is the most chilling part?

00:55:38.000 You know, to me, to me it's really, it's really the images.

00:55:43.000 It's really, well, you know, it's actually, you know what the saddest thing to me in the whole film is?

00:55:48.000 Is at the end of the film when you find out, you know, the state of the number of soldiers who were involved in, you know, in torture and brutal interrogation techniques and when you see what happened to their lives and, you know, you see that these kids in their 20s, usually from the South, I think it's fair to say, You know, their lives are ruined.

00:56:05.000 One of them says that, you know, financially he's ruined, he can't get a job, he's, you know, he's spent time in military prison.

00:56:11.000 And these are the victims of the administration and, you know, and everyone else who's going to leave this current administration that already has goes on to prestigious jobs and nothing happens to them.

00:56:21.000 And I guess that's why I've been saying that, branding them as war criminals in the media, because that's what war criminals do. 0.59

00:56:27.000 They commit acts of atrocity and they get away with that.

00:56:31.000 I think that's probably, you know, aside from all the images of torture and all of the terrible images that we see, I really think it's these innocent people who signed up, who served our country, unlike most of the people in the current administration, who then got scapegoated and ended up in prison.

00:56:52.000 Speaking of that, Eva, I remember, it was even in the Associated Press and other news wires a few years ago, One of the guards in Afghanistan, a private contractor who tortured people to death, he was about to blow the whistle and said, look, we were ordered to, and then they used the Patriot Act on him to shut him up.

00:57:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:13.000 I mean, it's just, you know, it's just incredible evil to me.

00:57:16.000 I mean, I think another thing that's really worth talking about is the fact that, you know, we're all obviously, you know, pretty far on the left side, all of us filmmakers, but it was really important for us to make this not a left-wing, you know, propaganda piece.

00:57:28.000 And so one of the things we were very cautious and careful to do was to try and get, you know, insiders in the Republican side of the country to talk.

00:57:36.000 And, you know, people like Alberta Moira, who was a former Navy General Counsel, And he was very much behind stopping what was going on at Abu Ghraib.

00:57:46.000 I just think it's really worth letting audiences know that this is not a propaganda piece.

00:57:51.000 It's a journalistic piece.

00:57:52.000 No, I'm going to say right now, as bad as it is, there's actually even a lot more stuff that's even worse.

00:58:01.000 I'm sure you came across the Army report where they admitted that 98% That are sent to Abu Ghraib, were picked up at checkpoints for not having proper papers, and that women were raped in front of their husbands.

00:58:12.000 Did you see that?

00:58:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:15.000 And I mean, that's what happened to our lead guy, who was murdered.

00:58:17.000 I mean, and it's also, it's very much, and the reason we know about these stories is because of the incredible people on the ground in Afghanistan, working for the papers in America.

00:58:27.000 You know, people like Carlisle de Gaulle, who discovered the Dilawar story.

00:58:30.000 Tell you what, stay there.

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01:00:19.000 The son of the gods. 0.98

01:00:22.000 And if they're able to get away with torture and creating a constituency for torture and selling us that it's okay, it's over.

01:00:28.000 And now we see police nationwide, copycatting, abuse has gone up in the prisons.

01:00:33.000 Eva, you know, your film really points all this out.

01:00:39.000 We really have been seduced over to the dark side.

01:00:42.000 I think we're pulling away from it now.

01:00:44.000 That's why I just think this is one of the most powerful films, documentaries I've ever seen because I think I know it all about this stuff and I'm immersed in it, but I became very upset and I hardly ever feel almost panicked, but it was just exactly like some of the cell phone video inside the torture facilities and my God, just seeing it, I mean it makes movies like Saw or Hostel That's nothing on the real thing, is it?

01:01:11.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.000 You know, I think you're right.

01:01:13.000 Another thing that I should mention is, you know, we made this, as I said, we finished it a year ago.

01:01:17.000 When we were making it, you know, when we started it two and a half years ago, we were so naive.

01:01:21.000 Our biggest concerns were, God, what if it's irrelevant by the time it's ready to come out and be in cinemas?

01:01:26.000 And, you know, when you think about it now, it's more relevant than it ever could have been.

01:01:30.000 And we were so naive and so hopeful.

01:01:32.000 But I do think that this is an incredibly exciting time, you know, this part of the year up until November.

01:01:37.000 And I feel like Everyone in the country is outraged.

01:01:40.000 Everyone is furious.

01:01:41.000 It's so great that the film has got an Oscar nomination.

01:01:44.000 Sorry, that it's got an Oscar.

01:01:49.000 It hasn't quite sunk in.

01:01:50.000 Because you know what?

01:01:51.000 A lot more people are going to see the film now.

01:01:53.000 It's still in cinemas.

01:01:54.000 It's going to get a lot more people to see the film.

01:01:56.000 A lot more people will get outraged.

01:01:57.000 And hopefully that will affect the elections later in the year.

01:02:01.000 And also, you know, the other thing you talk about is, you know, just how what's been going on in the country has affected popular culture and you mentioned 24 earlier in the show and it's funny, I had never ever watched 24 before we did this film and, you know, there was a weekend and I took home a couple of box sets of the whole series and I was just I mean, everyone loved this show.

01:02:20.000 This was a huge show.

01:02:22.000 People I knew loved this show.

01:02:23.000 And I watched it, and I was just outraged.

01:02:27.000 And I'm so happy that we used a clip in the film to explain what a ridiculous notion the ticking time bomb scenario is.

01:02:34.000 Because I've seen it in law enforcement magazines long before 9-11.

01:02:38.000 They were selling police on this, that there's a bomb about to go off.

01:02:41.000 Do you torture the person's child to get answers?

01:02:44.000 And then in 24, they actually have that plot.

01:02:47.000 I just love it because, again, I've mentioned him already, Clive Stafford Smith, who's this incredibly UK-based human rights lawyer.

01:02:54.000 He says, you know, and it's so great, as he tells the story in the film, we show the footage on 24 and he says, you know, there's a terrorist and he's got a bomb in Times Square and he's about to kill a million people.

01:03:05.000 What do we do?

01:03:06.000 And we've got the guy in custody. 0.99

01:03:08.000 So are we allowed to strap the electrodes to his testicles to get him to talk? 0.98

01:03:13.000 And we have a scene sort of mimicking that in 24. 0.60

01:03:16.000 And then Clyde says rightly, well that's all just fine, but when in the last 500 years have we ever been in a situation where a bomb is about to go off and we have the culprit?

01:03:25.000 And also, if we do, that man or woman is going to be so committed that no matter what we do to them, they're not going to talk. 0.57

01:03:31.000 So it's just this pathetic, false way to get around a loophole and make torture a viable option. 0.96

01:03:40.000 It's incredibly evil. 0.99

01:03:42.000 It is.

01:03:42.000 You know, this is such an important film.

01:03:44.000 Can I have you and the director back on before it goes on HBO, maybe for a full hour, Eva?

01:03:51.000 Absolutely.

01:03:52.000 Absolutely.

01:03:52.000 Alex is a wonderful guy.

01:03:53.000 Once I get back to New York, because I'm still in L.A., we could totally work that out.

01:03:57.000 Absolutely.

01:03:57.000 I'd be honored, Alex.

01:03:59.000 I'm a big fan, as you know.

01:04:01.000 Well, Eva, you're a sweetheart, and I'm just so honored to know you, and I'm just honored to be able to interview you.

01:04:07.000 Fire out the official website, because I see several different sites.

01:04:10.000 Which site should people visit?

01:04:12.000 The official website is TaxiToTheDarkSide.com.

01:04:17.000 TaxiToTheDarkSide.com.

01:04:19.000 We've got a link to that up on Infowars.com.

01:04:22.000 Eva Ornish?

01:04:23.000 And also, I think we're going to be down for South by Southwest, because our other film is screening there.

01:04:28.000 So we might be down in Austin in a few weeks.

01:04:31.000 Oh, oh, I tell you.

01:04:33.000 You know, I rarely want to beg for tickets, but I might even buy a wristband for that one.

01:04:37.000 Well, you know what?

01:04:38.000 I might see you at South by Southwest.

01:04:41.000 Eva Ornith. 0.90

01:04:41.000 Yeah, I might be able to get you in, Alex. 0.90

01:04:43.000 Oh, you're too good.

01:04:45.000 Eva Ornith, thank you so much for joining us.

01:04:47.000 She just won the Academy Award.

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01:08:42.000 It is the sixth day of March 2008.

01:08:45.000 I am extremely honored to be joined by one of my idols, someone I admire as a real journalist and a true patriot, who has been defending the sovereignty of this nation, defending the jobs of every working American, and who stood up in an incredible way to globalism and the corruption of the out-of-control federal government.

01:09:06.000 He, of course, was born in Texas.

01:09:08.000 Very proud that he hails from my state.

01:09:11.000 And he joins us.

01:09:12.000 His new book is bound to be a best-seller, like all his others.

01:09:16.000 He's the best-selling author of The War on the Middle Class.

01:09:19.000 And the new book is independent today.

01:09:20.000 He is Lou Dobbs.

01:09:23.000 Lou Dobbs, thanks for coming on with us.

01:09:25.000 Oh, it's great to be with you.

01:09:26.000 Thank you for the kind words.

01:09:28.000 You're a busy man.

01:09:28.000 I hear you're going to start a syndicated radio show on top of your CBS TV show and your number one CNN show.

01:09:35.000 As a matter of fact, we started Monday, and we're off and running a soft launch of a syndicated radio show, and I'm having a ball with it.

01:09:43.000 You didn't tell me how much fun this was.

01:09:45.000 It is, because you have the free form and you're not, you know, kept down to little five-minute segments.

01:09:50.000 We've only got you for this segment, so I want to move quickly and go through a lot of points.

01:09:54.000 Tell us about your new book.

01:09:57.000 Well, Independence Day is a cry for people to start thinking and acting independently, to push back against these partisan political parties, the Republican Party and Democratic Party alike, who've really brought us to the mess that we're in and now are fielding three candidates that say they're the solution.

01:10:15.000 It is a remarkable approach to create the problems, sustain and perpetuate the problems, and continue to run.

01:10:22.000 as those who will solve those problems.

01:10:25.000 And as a result, we get more of the same every four years in this country.

01:10:30.000 Well, we certainly do.

01:10:32.000 I'd like you to be as candid as possible.

01:10:35.000 You always do that.

01:10:36.000 But, I mean, to really give us the bottom line, both parties bought and paid for by the Fortune 100, who could care less about our sovereignty, have already basically strip-mined this nation economically.

01:10:48.000 What do you see coming out of this election with McCain versus Hillary or Obama?

01:10:55.000 I truly believe, just as you said, Alex, that both parties are bought and paid for by corporate America, by socio-ethnocentric interests, special interests.

01:11:04.000 And, you know, the first tenet of any democracy is that the rule of the majority prevails and that the majority will rule in a democracy.

01:11:14.000 But we have a representative republic in which those tenets of democracy were to be preserved.

01:11:20.000 That is, the majority would be first recognized and ruled.

01:11:25.000 The majority in this country is simply ignored by the elites of both our political system, academia, and corporate America.

01:11:35.000 And this race will result in a perpetuation of partisan control and the control of corporate America.

01:11:42.000 There will be no change, I will guarantee you, if one of the two candidates of these two political parties He's elected president.

01:11:50.000 There won't be a change in our fortunes at all.

01:11:53.000 You joined CNN when it was founded out of the gates as their financial news director.

01:11:59.000 You've been studying this.

01:12:00.000 You've run private successful companies yourself.

01:12:03.000 We see Congress with, depending on the poll, between an 11 and 20 percent approval rating, the lowest it's ever been.

01:12:09.000 Both parties are reviled.

01:12:11.000 We've never seen this before.

01:12:12.000 Looking forward, the establishment is just giving us more of the same.

01:12:16.000 Kennedy said those that make peaceful revolutions impossible make violent revolutions inevitable.

01:12:21.000 Looking forward, do you see some type of either economic or even physical revolution or more and more clashes between the disappearing middle class and these elites?

01:12:33.000 I happen to be one of those, Alex, who believes very strongly that either we will take back our system of government, that is a populist, representative republic, and that will function through the consent of the government, or we will see an absolute change of direction.

01:12:53.000 I don't think it will be a violent revolution, but I think there will be a crisis that will impend and demand action on the part of the people.

01:13:02.000 The American people right now are not being represented in Washington, D.C.

01:13:08.000 The will of the majority is not being followed.

01:13:12.000 As a matter of fact, it's been derided, spit at, by those that we are sending to Washington, D.C.

01:13:18.000 to represent working men and women and middle-class families in this country.

01:13:24.000 And that is the foundation of this country's very existence, the American dream, and it's being Dashed by the nonsense that we're permitting in Washington and our own failure to demand both better of ourselves and our government.

01:13:39.000 I see one of the biggest crises is not just the war in Iraq, now over a trillion, $300 billion that you speak so much about, but also the plunging value of the dollar.

01:13:48.000 Greenspan a week ago saying, telling the Arab countries to go ahead and dump the dollar, now accelerating that. 0.70

01:13:54.000 We could see this crisis coming to a head very soon.

01:13:59.000 I believe that there is no question that a crisis in our financial system is already here.

01:14:04.000 When we are looking at the dollar decline to all-time lows against the euro, falling against the yen, and dropping to 20-year lows against many of the major currencies of the world, that is a clear signal as to how much trouble this economy is in.

01:14:21.000 Alex, as you know, we have $53 trillion in unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, all of the entitlement programs.

01:14:30.000 We have a $9 trillion national debt, a $6 trillion trade debt that's rising faster than our national debt. 1.00

01:14:37.000 And we have idiots in Washington, D.C. 0.99

01:14:39.000 and academia walking around suggesting That the economy is just fine and business as usual will work out just ducky. 1.00

01:14:49.000 I mean, it is.

01:14:50.000 If it were not so tragic, it would be laughable.

01:14:52.000 Lou Dobbs, why have the elites that control this nation Whereas 20-30 years ago, with the last dollar crises we had, they decided to shore it up and try to keep it as the world reserve currency.

01:15:04.000 I look at the economic landscape, it seems all we have left was our dollar being the world reserve currency, but instead, the federal government has had a weak dollar policy, which only spells rack and ruin.

01:15:17.000 Why do you think they're doing that?

01:15:19.000 Well, I think it's pretty clear that the reason they're doing it, Again, in my opinion, is that these people believe that this is 1965 rather than 2008.

01:15:29.000 There was a time when if you lowered the value of the dollar, it would make our exports cheaper, and we would push back against imports because they would be more expensive and you could look to a trade balance.

01:15:43.000 But we, Alex, are absolutely dependent on China for our toys, our computers, our consumer electronics, our clothing.

01:15:52.000 So there's no what the economists call elasticity in the demand relationship on import.

01:15:58.000 So as this administration has demanded that the Chinese in effect raise the price of their exports to the United States, the reality is we're going to create even more inflation in this country.

01:16:11.000 We have the specter of stagflation staring at us.

01:16:14.000 Totally, and I think inevitably.

01:16:17.000 Sir, some pundits, even on national television, have come out and said that the Globalist, and now the Council on Foreign Relations, three weeks ago, as you know, came out and confirmed that, and said, we want to go ahead and get rid of the dollar, to create a new kind of a marrow dollar, and then merge that with the Euro.

01:16:34.000 So I believe the Globalists, in their own words, by design, want to kind of put the dollar slowly to death, so they can then replace it.

01:16:43.000 Well, I think that there certainly is no doubt that those who would, in every way, degrade the sovereignty of this country would want to certainly degrade the power, the strength, and the respect of the U.S.

01:16:58.000 dollar.

01:16:59.000 And it is the last thing we should permit.

01:17:01.000 But what we should all understand is when that dollar is declining as it is right now at world markets, it is the clearest possible signal that we could have that our economy He's in a very, very desperate condition.

01:17:16.000 And we have to start being responsible, taking prudent action to return to the values that make this country great.

01:17:25.000 And in every sense of the social order and in terms of the economic order, that means we have to raise our savings rate.

01:17:32.000 We have to take control of our borrowing from overseas.

01:17:37.000 We have to come to terms with the enormous debt that we have allowed.

01:17:41.000 Uh, our elite in this country to run up.

01:17:43.000 Well, the working man and woman in this country has not participated in what has been a period of prosperity for corporate America for 20 years.

01:17:52.000 We only have about five, six minutes left with Lou Dobbs, obviously a very busy man with a syndicated radio show, writing columns, CNN every night with his number one program in that time slot.

01:18:03.000 So I want to move quickly here, sir.

01:18:05.000 Again, the new book is independent today.

01:18:07.000 Everybody needs to get it.

01:18:08.000 It's excellent and it's rocketing up the charts right now.

01:18:11.000 Lou, I want to talk briefly about yourself.

01:18:13.000 Growing up in Texas, you're live, getting into the media, being a journalist.

01:18:16.000 When did you start waking up to, as you say, the new world order and these elites, and the last five, six years really turning the heat up on them?

01:18:25.000 What was your awakening to these elites?

01:18:29.000 My awakening to, and by the way, I just want to make it very clear, I am a capitalist.

01:18:34.000 I believe fervently in this free enterprise democracy of ours.

01:18:38.000 But this isn't free market under the globalist system.

01:18:41.000 Well, that certainly is not in terms of that.

01:18:44.000 I'm talking about in terms of its ideal.

01:18:46.000 Yes.

01:18:47.000 And the reality is that this country is what has created wealth throughout the world over the course of the past 40 years.

01:18:56.000 This great economy has driven just about three-fourths of the wealth generated in the world over the past 40 years.

01:19:04.000 But my awakening came on September 11, 2001.

01:19:08.000 In which I saw the way in which this government reacted and responded and failed to stop that vicious terrorist attack.

01:19:17.000 It came in 2001 when Enron collapsed with the corporate corruption scandals of 2001 and 2002 and the way in which corporate America refused to work in the national interest and to look to the common good but rather to try to maintain and preserve A world without regulation or responsibility.

01:19:37.000 They made it clear that they could care less about this nation.

01:19:41.000 Right, absolutely.

01:19:42.000 And the multinationals who are going to participate in this $13 trillion, the world's richest economy, have to take responsibility and take leadership.

01:19:53.000 Instead, they have hidden behind the Business Roundtable, the U.S.

01:19:57.000 Chamber of Commerce, the lobbying organizations, and it's seldom you'll hear an individual CEO stand up and Speak on any issue involving our society, our people, or the national interest.

01:20:09.000 Leaving the voices, their voices, still in favor of the efforts of their lobby, the U.S.

01:20:16.000 Chamber of Commerce.

01:20:16.000 Lou Dobbs, since you bring up 9-11, I want to read a quote here instead of just playing the audio.

01:20:20.000 This is Lou Dobbs on your national CNN news program.

01:20:24.000 The fact that they would continue to perpetuate the lie suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on and what is demonstrably and Incompetent, and what is worse, a deceitful federal government.

01:20:36.000 You said that months ago, now it's come out that the White House was manipulating the 9-11 Commission, which they appointed, of course.

01:20:44.000 They first tried to give us Kissinger. 0.95

01:20:46.000 What are you talking about, incompetence versus deceitful federal government surrounding 9-11?

01:20:53.000 Well, I'm talking about, in this regard, I'm talking about the idea that we have George Senator, a gold medal, while the CIA failed to act intelligently and responsibly to stop that attack.

01:21:04.000 I'm talking about a government that continues for almost seven years after September 11th to leave our borders wide open and our ports insecure, with 95% of the goods entering this country uninspected.

01:21:17.000 It's unconscionable.

01:21:18.000 At the same time, this president The Democratic leadership in the House and the Senate all claim to be concerned about the American people's safety and welfare during a time of war against terror, and yet they leave our ports and our borders wide open.

01:21:36.000 That's deceitful, it's dishonest, and it's irresponsible.

01:21:39.000 That brings me to my next question.

01:21:47.000 It is such a manifest fraud to have the banks accepting consul matriculars that you can get out of a crackerjack box for illegal aliens. 0.99

01:21:56.000 Bush trying to give $140 plus billion dollars to Mexico for their military when it's been all over Texas papers for a long time.

01:22:05.000 Finally, in national news, the Mexican troops shoot at Border Patrol, come across, grab drug shipments away from sheriffs.

01:22:11.000 I've interviewed that have had Mexican troops stick German machine guns to their heads and say, give us the marijuana back.

01:22:17.000 Can you... I mean, all this is going on, and then meanwhile, they're setting up internal checkpoints to search Americans and check our papers.

01:22:26.000 Well, it's unconscionable.

01:22:28.000 Again, what this administration, this government, this Congress, and we the people have permitted in allowing the Bush administration to have effectively further reduced our sovereignty and the respect for our laws and certainly regard for our borders and our ports.

01:22:44.000 It's been a shameless, shameless period in American history that we're going to have to reverse.

01:22:51.000 I'm sorry, go ahead Alex.

01:22:55.000 I've got to run.

01:22:55.000 I'm sorry, I've been called on.

01:22:56.000 I understand you just called, but final question.

01:23:00.000 Doesn't that show that they're obviously not too concerned about a terror attack and I guess if one happens that means they get even more governmental control if they don't stop those further attacks and leave the border wide open?

01:23:12.000 You know, Alex, in terms of trying to figure out what in the world this president and this administration is thinking at any time, if indeed they are thinking, is well beyond my limited capacity.

01:23:23.000 Lou, last question.

01:23:24.000 Absolutely unfathomable.

01:23:25.000 Lou, I know you've got to go, but last question.

01:23:27.000 I had to get this out.

01:23:28.000 North American Union, we saw it in SPP documents a year ago.

01:23:31.000 Now they admit that they're merging the Canadian and U.S.

01:23:33.000 military for domestic operations.

01:23:35.000 Your final comment.

01:23:37.000 That if people do not awaken to the absolute threat to this nation's sovereignty posed by the Texas Trans Corridor, the NAFTA superhighway, the North American Union, Under the guise of the so-called security and prosperity partnership among Canada, the United States, and Mexico, then this country can kiss its future goodbye, because it is precisely what's underway.

01:24:03.000 I think the New World Order is going to be defeated in the end.

01:24:05.000 Do you think that?

01:24:06.000 I understand.

01:24:08.000 I've got to run, and I do believe that if the American people awaken, we can do anything we choose.

01:24:13.000 including sure that this great nation bestows its blessings on succeeding generations of Americans.

01:24:20.000 But we have to awaken, and we have to do it soon.

01:24:22.000 All right, Lou, thanks for the time.

01:24:24.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:24:25.000 Take care.

01:24:26.000 There goes Lou Dobbs, ladies and gentlemen.

01:24:28.000 That is one busy man.

01:24:31.000 Yesterday we had him scheduled and then we finally got him on today and they're telling me that in the future we'll be able to have him for 30-45 minutes, but right now he's extremely busy starting his new syndicated radio show on Monday, but I did hold him over a few extra minutes to get basically all of my questions out to him.

01:24:49.000 Alright, I know there's a lot happening with Barack Obama and Hillary Ron Paul only got 5% of the Texas vote, but got 70% of his district's vote.

01:24:58.000 If you believe that that is accurate, I got a bridge I want to sell you on the moon.

01:25:03.000 I've now had a day or so to look at the numbers from Tuesday, and there is no doubt that Ron Paul was cheated in Texas.

01:25:10.000 We've caught them cheating him, where he got second place in Nevada, and then they just didn't even put him in the placing.

01:25:16.000 the official uh... government uh...

01:25:19.000 numbers where he got second place in the bottom of the decision but in the running they said mccain got that he had clearly one louisiana and they gave him second place there they clearly cheated him in new hampshire we caught them red-handed in district after district doing that uh...

01:25:34.000 and now in texas with signs billboards planes blimps radio tv ads everybody i talked to send a love ron paul I mean, I guarantee you, folks, he won Texas.

01:25:45.000 Not McCain.

01:25:46.000 Every Republican I know, every libertarian I know, hates John McCain.

01:25:49.000 So this is a big issue.

01:25:51.000 People say, well, he's already lost.

01:25:52.000 It's McCain now.

01:25:53.000 Let's move on.

01:25:54.000 No.

01:25:54.000 Now we have to set about exposing this, prosecuting.

01:25:57.000 There's talk in investigations in Houston of election fraud and prosecutions.

01:26:01.000 There is all sorts of news spilling out in Texas.

01:26:04.000 and other states of this happening and so we'll open the phones up and talk about that issue a whole plethora of other issues 1-800-259-9231 1-800-259-9231 wide open phones today we're also getting a reporter on who's nationally broke they're saying uh... this was on MSNBC and other places that mexican troops fire on our troops and our border patrol and attack

01:26:34.000 Now, of course, we've had sheriffs on here.

01:26:36.000 It's been in South Texas News.

01:26:37.000 We've had the Mexican troops come across, three miles across the border, put guns to their heads, point guns at them.

01:26:43.000 Years ago, we have covered this.

01:26:45.000 This has really been in the news in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and a few other areas, but it's been covered up.

01:26:54.000 It's finally breaking nationally.

01:26:56.000 We looked it up this morning when we first saw this.

01:26:59.000 This had been on MSNBC this morning, on the morning show, and We looked up all the stories.

01:27:05.000 Paul Watson, Steve Watson, and others had written about this in the last five years.

01:27:09.000 There were more than 20 stories with photos, videos.

01:27:12.000 I mean, this has been... They've killed Border Patrol.

01:27:14.000 They've shot Border Patrol.

01:27:16.000 They've killed citizens.

01:27:17.000 We are under military attack.

01:27:20.000 And what does the federal government do?

01:27:21.000 They say they're going to give 140 plus billion dollars to the Mexican military to, quote, fight drug dealing.

01:27:27.000 You can go down to any part of Mexico where they grow marijuana, and you can watch the huge marijuana fields as you drive down the street.

01:27:34.000 I mean, I saw this when I was a kid.

01:27:35.000 I saw this about a year and a half ago.

01:27:36.000 I went down to Mexico on a vacation.

01:27:39.000 I wasn't even looking for it, and there were jeeps or Humvees parked with guys with machine guns standing up in the top smoking cigarettes with a marijuana field behind them.

01:27:47.000 They guard the drugs.

01:27:49.000 They run the drugs.

01:27:50.000 Our government knows that.

01:27:53.000 And they're just openly saying they're going to give them $140-plus billion.

01:27:57.000 They announced that a month ago to supposedly fight all of this.

01:28:02.000 While they're waging war on us and attacking us, and the Mexican military has been videoed for at least three years, scores of times we put it on the website, American Patrols posted it, got in the video, so have the other organizations, Ranch Rescue, the Minutemen, and others.

01:28:17.000 Where you'll see convoys of armored vehicles and Humvees with heavy machine guns, guarding and shepherding, and literally transporting in flatback trucks, hundreds and hundreds of illegal aliens in each instance.

01:28:29.000 They shepherd them, they bring them across, they fire on the police.

01:28:34.000 If a citizen went down there and fired on Border Patrol, they'd call out hundreds of vehicles, helicopters, it'd be national news, it'd be alerts on the TV, evil terrorists, you know, evil American citizens are attacking our glorious Border Patrol and our military, our National Guard.

01:28:48.000 That is not happening now.

01:28:51.000 And so we've got that audio clip, that's coming up after the break as well, but you can also, again, chime in on that news-making interview we just got you with Lou Dobbs.

01:28:59.000 I'm gonna tell you, Lou Dobbs is big, we're gonna get him back soon, We've got guests even bigger that are lined up in the next month, coming up in the next few weeks and into April.

01:29:10.000 We've got people that are working on films, finishing up movies, who can't do it right now but have contacted us and want to come on in April.

01:29:18.000 Uh, so, and why is all this important?

01:29:21.000 More and more prominent people speaking out against the New World Order, speaking out against government-sponsored terror, like 9-11.

01:29:27.000 Be right back after this quick break.

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01:33:20.000 All right, we're back live, ladies and gentlemen.

01:33:23.000 He's with us for the rest of the hour.

01:33:27.000 Dr. Dina Dell really probably doesn't need much of an introduction. 1.00

01:33:30.000 An American physician and broadcaster in the United States who hosts the Dr. Dina Dell Radio Program, syndicated through Premier Radio Networks.

01:33:38.000 Same folks that bring in George Norrie, Rush Limbaugh, and all of them.

01:33:41.000 And he's got quite a list of letters after his name.

01:33:47.000 First studied zoology at Cornell University, before earning his MD from Cornell University, on and on and on.

01:33:52.000 And so he's a medical doctor, written quite a few best-selling books, and we have got him on with us for the next 30 minutes.

01:33:57.000 I'm going to be honest.

01:33:59.000 I used to really like Dr. Dieter Dell.

01:34:00.000 I mean, I've been listening to him on KLBJ 590 for like 12, 14 years.

01:34:04.000 I, of course, am on that station right now.

01:34:08.000 But I've seen him change a little bit, and kind of his defense of the establishment, I think, intensified.

01:34:13.000 So I wanted to get him on and talk about that today.

01:34:15.000 But I do agree with a lot of things he says.

01:34:18.000 Just because the mainstream medical stuff, you know, hundreds of thousands a year die from the wrong prescriptions, or medical mistakes in hospitals, or cutting off the wrong arm, or leaving instruments in people.

01:34:28.000 At the same time, the alternative groups are a lot of kooks there, and they make the good alternative stuff look bad.

01:34:34.000 Magic machines that cost $5,000 that are a piece of glass with a flashing light in it that con artists sell.

01:34:41.000 I can't stand it.

01:34:42.000 All the quackery, all the kookiness.

01:34:46.000 I support A lot of the real alternative stuff, herbs that have been proven for thousands of years that have known effects and a lot of that, so that all gets a bad name because we put up with all of these out-of-control cooks.

01:34:57.000 So, I agree with the doc there, let's just go ahead and go to him, but I disagree with him on a bunch of other issues.

01:35:03.000 Dr. Dean, thanks for coming on with us.

01:35:04.000 Oh, my pleasure, and I'll bet you by the end of our time together here, we're going to agree 100%.

01:35:09.000 How's that for a challenge?

01:35:11.000 Okay, well I certainly hope that's the case.

01:35:13.000 I think you're a great radio broadcaster and your knowledge is so fast moving.

01:35:18.000 A new topic every two minutes.

01:35:20.000 I just love the format.

01:35:21.000 I don't hear any other host that really do that.

01:35:23.000 Did you pioneer that?

01:35:25.000 I don't know.

01:35:25.000 There's just so much information out there to bring to people every day.

01:35:29.000 It's a huge field and it's such intense interest.

01:35:34.000 So, in a sense, the frustration is I don't have more time on the air to explore more issues, and it's really hard every day to pick what to talk about.

01:35:41.000 So, it moves quickly.

01:35:43.000 It moves quickly because, as I said, there are so many important issues.

01:35:46.000 You mentioned a bunch of the most important, actually, and everything you said that I just heard you say, I kind of agree with you, but let's dig into it.

01:35:55.000 Well, what do you think the biggest scams are right now in alternative healthcare?

01:36:01.000 Well, the biggest scam, and let's be really, really clear.

01:36:04.000 Nobody wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.

01:36:07.000 We have a method.

01:36:08.000 It's called the scientific method.

01:36:09.000 It's gotten us where we are.

01:36:11.000 We can get in an airplane.

01:36:12.000 We've got our computers.

01:36:13.000 You and I are taking advantage of this technology today.

01:36:15.000 We got here with science.

01:36:17.000 Medicine's a little trickier.

01:36:19.000 It's an art.

01:36:19.000 You know, it's not like physics or chemistry.

01:36:22.000 And so, you know, we have to be a little fuzzy in how we approach some of these issues.

01:36:27.000 But to me today, the biggest scam, and I base this on science, I come from a long line of vitamin and supplement manufacturers.

01:36:36.000 That's what put me through medical school.

01:36:37.000 My family were among the first multiple vitamin manufacturers.

01:36:41.000 In America.

01:36:42.000 Of course, they didn't think it would be big time, so they sold the company, and that's why I'm still working for a living.

01:36:46.000 But either way, you know, vitamins, there have been eight major double-blind studies that cannot be questioned.

01:36:53.000 You give half the people phony pills, and half the people real pills, and both groups wind up the same in terms of cancer, heart disease, etc.

01:37:01.000 We have proven that taking a bunch of vitamins every day does not help you, and yet more than half of Americans still take them.

01:37:08.000 Then you get a piece of bull like, you know, You know, Airborne, Secure the Common Cold, one of the biggest companies in America, invented by a school teacher.

01:37:16.000 I don't know how she skirted all the Nobel Prize winners.

01:37:19.000 And the more we slam these things, the more we tell people something is worthless, the more they cling to it.

01:37:24.000 And like, as you say, there are really important, legitimate herbs and alternative techniques that need the research.

01:37:31.000 We need to investigate.

01:37:32.000 And many that have given us You know, mainline pharmaceutical drugs and treatments that get swept out with the trash, so to speak.

01:37:39.000 So, in a sense, the bad apples in the alternative movement are tainting something that could be very vital in terms of our future investigation.

01:37:48.000 We're talking to nationally syndicated radio talk shows, premier radio networks.

01:37:51.000 Dr. Dina Dell will fire out some of your websites here in just a moment, because there's quite a few.

01:37:55.000 I don't know which ones you particularly want to put out.

01:37:58.000 But see, right there is where I disagree. 0.97

01:38:00.000 I'm talking about, I'm talking about people selling magic machines that they claim, you know, they've got flashing lights in them that heal you, or, you know, magic, just so much ridiculous garbage. 0.84

01:38:12.000 People that claim this cream will make your cataracts fall off. 0.81

01:38:16.000 I mean, there is just so much outright, just total scams, and they charge hundreds or thousands of dollars, you know, depending on the scam.

01:38:25.000 And then meanwhile, you just said vitamins.

01:38:27.000 You know, have been proven conclusively.

01:38:29.000 You can point to one study, I can point to a thousand others, where we know a lot of people, I mean, let's say people that have a junk food diet, we know that supplements are good, because they're not getting the nutrients they need, so that replaces them.

01:38:41.000 I mean, I don't know how you can say that supplements and vitamins haven't been proven to help, because you've got... Well, it's easy.

01:38:47.000 Listen, listen.

01:38:48.000 I would challenge you to offer me one piece of paper that shows A decent double-blind study that vitamins work.

01:38:54.000 I wish they worked!

01:38:55.000 I just can't go against... So you don't agree with Linus Pauling, Nobel Prize winner, on vitamin C?

01:39:00.000 I mean, it's what, vitamin A?

01:39:02.000 It's based on your collagen?

01:39:04.000 I mean, right there, we know that's the building blocks of your tissue.

01:39:06.000 I mean, that's not... But it doesn't mean that vitamin C works.

01:39:10.000 Listen, Linus Pauling started us on an important line of investigation, so he really should be congratulated for that.

01:39:16.000 But the truth is that the vitamin C studies have They failed us miserably.

01:39:21.000 Now, we're not talking about being deficient.

01:39:22.000 Now, we've got to be very clear here.

01:39:24.000 It is naive to assume that my parents made the same vitamins in 1935 that you're buying today.

01:39:30.000 We've moved on.

01:39:31.000 There are so many other micronutrients that are found in real food.

01:39:36.000 You do not find in a pill that has vitamin A, vitamin B, vitamin C. There's so much more than that in But that's why green foods are good, because let's say you're not getting all the stuff you need.

01:39:45.000 I mean, a condensed green food with a bunch of raw, unpasteurized, concentrated food plants.

01:39:51.000 I mean, that's food, isn't it?

01:39:52.000 Sure, that might be very useful.

01:39:55.000 And I would love to see studies, and there's certainly no harm from it.

01:39:58.000 But listen, the major... I'm talking these are studies of 50,000, 100,000 people, double-blind control.

01:40:03.000 We have found harm.

01:40:05.000 You will get more cancer and heart disease with certain vitamins.

01:40:08.000 I wish I could tell you it wasn't true.

01:40:10.000 I want to downplay that aspect of the study because it's not that harmful versus our slovenly ways.

01:40:15.000 The point is, we Americans, we want the pill fairy to come rescue us. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Why would we eat well and eat a healthy diet when what we really are secretly saying is, I want to pig out at the fast food joint.

01:40:27.000 And I still want to be healthy, so I'll take these vitamins as opposed to controlling my mouth.

01:40:32.000 It's impossible!

01:40:34.000 But I've also seen the studies specifically about where they have these basically synthetic or artificial, you know, the junk multivitamins where it's not even the real plant-derived or food-derived thing that we're getting.

01:40:50.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:40:51.000 Yes, and I would certainly hope that the new directions and supplements will be fruitful.

01:40:57.000 But the point is, you would not get on an airplane if it wasn't tested to be reliable.

01:41:03.000 You would not want your child sent to jail without evidence that your child was guilty.

01:41:08.000 I don't want to loosen up the standards and just assume, because we get fooled when we make these basic assumptions.

01:41:15.000 We have a fabulous food supply, and most people turn their backs on it.

01:41:19.000 And they want these, you know, these phony supplement manufacturers to make up the difference for us.

01:41:24.000 And the problem is there are some good products in there that get swept away.

01:41:28.000 But I've got to tell you something.

01:41:31.000 You know, the phony, the rip-off machines and the stuff like that you were talking about, I'm like you in that I divide this into, I see caring people who really feel they've stumbled upon something and they really want to help and they market a product in good faith.

01:41:44.000 It may not work, but they're not guilty of anything.

01:41:46.000 They've made a good attempt and they're within the law.

01:41:48.000 Then you get the scam artists, like you said, who are, to me, the same as someone sticking a gun in your belly.

01:41:53.000 These are creeps.

01:41:54.000 They take advantage of you.

01:41:55.000 They rip you off at your...

01:41:57.000 When you're ill, you're sick, and in your weakest moments, and they are in a different category, and yet no one seems to care about it.

01:42:04.000 The law kind of allows all this to go on.

01:42:06.000 The law says you can make any claim about the structure, function, or the human body you want.

01:42:10.000 You do not have to prove efficacy.

01:42:13.000 You do not have to prove safety.

01:42:15.000 Will you tell me any other area in consumer law where that is the case?

01:42:19.000 Okay, Doc, I want to get into some other sectors of the interview because I don't want to run out of time here, but here's the problem.

01:42:26.000 You can get Vioxx approved, a multi-billion dollar drug, and then it comes out that it's causing all these heart attacks.

01:42:32.000 And if you look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths a year, and they can debate 150 one year, 200,000 another, you know, it's always moving, but it's always over 100,000, where they admit that drug interactions and drug problems from Big Pharma are doing this.

01:42:47.000 And, you know, it's called liberty.

01:42:48.000 It's called freedom.

01:42:49.000 If we allow the government to come in and basically do what Europe wants to do, to even start restricting, you know, what type of vitamins you can get, that's the problem.

01:42:58.000 Baby out with the bathwater. 0.97

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:01.000 So I don't know how we find that balance, but now shifting gears here, because I want to get into some other subjects.

01:43:07.000 I have heard you on radio say, and I hear you almost every week, because you're on local stations here, say that there's no more thimerosal in the vaccines, but then I can go pull up the Associated Press saying that they increased the amount in the MMR, they increased the amount in the Flu shots.

01:43:26.000 I actually did go for this interview and I did go actually pull AP, Reuters, CDC reports that yes, since what, 2002, they're making available non-thamarisol vaccines, but the vast majority still are.

01:43:40.000 So are you saying I heard you wrong?

01:43:42.000 Are you saying that there's no more thamarisol in vaccines?

01:43:45.000 There's no thamarisol in childhood vaccines.

01:43:48.000 There is thamarisol in flu vaccines, depending on the kind that you get.

01:43:51.000 But the more important issue is Tamarisol has never been shown to be harmful.

01:43:57.000 Why are people concerned about the air and the mercury that we eat?

01:44:00.000 That's where your mercury's coming from.

01:44:01.000 We allow the Bush Clean Air Standards to fly by.

01:44:05.000 Everybody's worried about their fillings and the vaccines.

01:44:08.000 Tamarisol does not cause autism.

01:44:10.000 End of subject.

01:44:11.000 You've got proof to the other side.

01:44:13.000 Step up to the plate and let's talk about it.

01:44:16.000 Uh, and that is important, but there's no Pomerosol, and since Pomerosol's been taken out of vaccines in Denmark, in Sweden, and in America, autism rates have increased.

01:44:25.000 So, it ain't Pomerosol, and it's... No, I saw that.

01:44:28.000 I saw that.

01:44:29.000 I saw that California study.

01:44:31.000 And it just blanket said that there's no more vaccine, and so why did it go up from 2002 to 2006?

01:44:38.000 And if you actually look at it, they didn't even check.

01:44:41.000 They just took for granted that it had been taken out, and that's not the evidence we have, Doctor.

01:44:47.000 And I'm going to actually take this interview and go through and write a story and add all the links to mainstream and CDC.

01:44:54.000 But the point is, the point really isn't the aren't.

01:44:57.000 Don't you care whether thimerosal causes diseases or not?

01:45:00.000 You've got to care about that first.

01:45:02.000 You've got to show me evidence that thimerosal is bad.

01:45:05.000 Houston Chronicle, here it is.

01:45:07.000 Health officials admit vaccines may have hurt Georgia girl.

01:45:11.000 Federal Blue Ribbon Panel, this is just February 25th, this is just last month, found and ruled in her favor.

01:45:19.000 This is a Blue Ribbon Panel.

01:45:20.000 Keep reading, but you gotta keep reading where it says, this does not imply that vaccines cause autism.

01:45:24.000 This young child, if indeed, this is not a court of law by the way, That one case out of millions and millions and millions and millions, this child has a genetic defect that's very unusual, a mitochondrial DNA defect, in combination with something having to do with vaccines, not thimerosal, read it carefully, may have played a role in a single case.

01:45:45.000 When an airplane goes down, do you stop flying?

01:45:49.000 Uh, no, but it's... Okay, so we've got to grow up here.

01:45:52.000 You don't get technology that is white. 0.54

01:45:54.000 Listen, you don't get technology that is white polio off the face of the earth, smallpox off the face of the earth, where is the theory of whooping cough, tetanus, where are these diseases?

01:46:02.000 You don't take that technology because there is some flaw and it's not absolutely perfect.

01:46:07.000 You drive your car because you love it and you're willing to take a 1 in 2,500 risk of killing yourself this year.

01:46:13.000 Americans have got to grow up and understand that technology is not perfect.

01:46:17.000 You have to be willing to sacrifice.

01:46:19.000 Let me stop you, let me stop you. 0.85

01:46:20.000 There are actually, and if you'd like, actually about 50 of them here in front of me.

01:46:25.000 I mean, you can just say there's not a study, there's no proof, there's no evidence.

01:46:30.000 All I know, and then you can say, well, we over-report autism, you know, brain disorders.

01:46:35.000 Now, that's why we've gone from 1 in 25,000 20 years ago to 1 in 168 five years ago to now 1 in 75 federal numbers.

01:46:44.000 And then just I go on the hike and bike trail.

01:46:47.000 I go to the mall.

01:46:48.000 I take my children to see Ratatouille, and there's 200 kids in there, and the front two rows are autistic children.

01:46:54.000 They have huge wings of every major school now, with children nodding and drooling in the corner.

01:47:00.000 What is doing it, Doc?

01:47:01.000 How come there's just suddenly all these autistic kids everywhere? 1.00

01:47:04.000 Right, right.

01:47:04.000 But because it's increased, doesn't mean... But did the Tooth Fairy do this?

01:47:09.000 Did the two-third do what?

01:47:10.000 Increase autism?

01:47:11.000 I mean, I'm asking... No, because... But don't you want to... But listen, I want to find out why and what's going on to waste all this time.

01:47:17.000 I don't even need scientific studies.

01:47:19.000 I've talked to... And I've got them, by the way.

01:47:22.000 I mean, I'll be at a shopping mall.

01:47:24.000 I'll be on vacation.

01:47:25.000 There's a lady there at the pool. 1.00

01:47:27.000 She's got an autistic son.

01:47:29.000 And I walk over and I say, when did this happen?

01:47:31.000 Oh, he was 18 months old.

01:47:32.000 I go, let me guess.

01:47:34.000 Uh, he had a convulsion that night.

01:47:35.000 She goes, how do you know?

01:47:36.000 Do you know me?

01:47:37.000 Who are you?

01:47:38.000 He had a convulsion after that, and then, and I said, oh, let me guess, the hospital tried to take your kid, saying you shook him.

01:47:44.000 Man, what, why is it they get the shot and sometimes have a convulsion in the hospital?

01:47:48.000 Listen, this is a, it's a common reasoning fallacy.

01:47:51.000 There are so many shots that are given to kids, there is, nothing can happen in the child that isn't a week or two after a shot, or a week or two before the shot, and it sure seems like there's a relationship.

01:48:01.000 It sure seems like it.

01:48:03.000 And if there is, we need to find out.

01:48:06.000 But we're just wasting and spinning our wheels not getting to the bottom of autism by constantly having to put down a theory that kind of came and it kind of went.

01:48:16.000 So let's move on.

01:48:17.000 Why is it that older fathers have more autistic kids? 0.64

01:48:20.000 Why is it that women have certain obstetrical problems? 1.00

01:48:22.000 Well, obviously they know.

01:48:24.000 Well, the studies you just mentioned them show that it is a genetic defect mainly manifest in boys.

01:48:30.000 And that it has something to do with the absorption and the passing into the cells of the mercury.

01:48:36.000 And you're right, the coal-burning plants, they've taken the restrictions off.

01:48:39.000 Texas supplies five states.

01:48:41.000 I'm sitting in the middle of it, and the mercury readings are off the chart.

01:48:44.000 Meanwhile, the global warming people are running around wanting to tax carbon dioxide that plants breathe.

01:48:49.000 Oh, listen, I agree with you.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:50.000 I agree with you on that.

01:48:51.000 The point is that we don't come up with scientific conclusions by public proclamation.

01:48:57.000 We have to come up with... I hate to keep reducing it, because it sounds so cold and hardcore, but We can't allow ourselves to take our eye off the ball, and that is, we've got to prove what's going on.

01:49:10.000 We've got to find out what's going on.

01:49:12.000 It sure seems ambitious, I know, but after eight major large studies with no medical group in the world, you've got to... Hold on, hold on.

01:49:21.000 Funded by the big vaccine makers, but let me just stop you.

01:49:25.000 Let me just throw this out before we go to breaking of the final segment.

01:49:27.000 I've got to have you back up sometime.

01:49:27.000 It's already gone.

01:49:29.000 We've got to plug your sites on the other side of this.

01:49:32.000 Be sure and do that.

01:49:33.000 Here's the deal.

01:49:35.000 We have all the fraud in the FDA, in the EPA.

01:49:39.000 We have the revolving door of big pharma people back and forth approving their bad drugs.

01:49:44.000 We know they're predatory against the supplements, regardless, because they're in competition with them.

01:49:50.000 And then we have the Tuskegee experiment, eugenics, sterilization in this country. 0.94

01:49:55.000 We know Hitler got his ideas from England and the U.S. 0.97

01:49:58.000 I don't have this all-trusting view of whatever the guys in white lab coats say.

01:50:02.000 No, I think that's good.

01:50:04.000 I think you should not trust authority.

01:50:06.000 And they do screw up, and they do make mistakes, whatever walk of life you're in.

01:50:11.000 And there is fraud, and it happens.

01:50:13.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:50:14.000 But talking about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, of course, just because there is fraud, because there are illegal and fraudulent ties behind the scenes, doesn't mean that everything that comes from mainstream science Okay, it's fraudulent.

01:50:29.000 I'm not saying that.

01:50:32.000 We'll stay there.

01:50:33.000 Final segment with Dr. Dina Dell after this three-minute break.

01:50:35.000 I gotta get him back up for longer because he's a great debater and there's so many points I want to bring up.

01:50:41.000 I know he's got a lot of documents as well.

01:50:43.000 We'll be right back.

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01:53:59.000 Dr. Dean Dailey with us into the next segment.

01:54:01.000 Another 10 minutes with him.

01:54:02.000 We appreciate that.

01:54:04.000 And you can just find him on any AM or FM station that carries talk.

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01:54:22.000 Moving quicker here, let's take sodium fluoride.

01:54:27.000 I just said to you during the break, did you know that they take the whole waste from the aluminum and of course fertilizer manufacturer and then that's what they call fluoride that they then put in the water.

01:54:41.000 And you said, I've never heard that.

01:54:43.000 I'm going to make sure you get emailed all the mainstream documentation and the head of epidemiology departments and FDA investigators all saying it.

01:54:51.000 I mean, did you hear about the American Dental Association coming out a year and a half ago and saying, don't give babies fluoride water?

01:54:58.000 Right, because they're getting plenty of it.

01:54:59.000 They're getting plenty of it as it is, and you've got to be very careful.

01:55:02.000 Now, if you're saying that they use waste material to produce fluoride, I wouldn't be surprised, but the same token, I can take water from your toilet after you flush, and I can reduce pure water.

01:55:15.000 And you might say, hey, I'm drinking sewage here.

01:55:17.000 No, you're drinking pure water.

01:55:18.000 It's just been processed, manufactured, etc.

01:55:20.000 So I'm not exactly sure what they use to make fluoride.

01:55:24.000 And there are people in America that are getting too much fluoride.

01:55:27.000 You see the little white spots on kids' front teeth.

01:55:30.000 Rotholes.

01:55:31.000 And that often comes, can come from fluoride.

01:55:34.000 Well, you've got fluorosis.

01:55:35.000 Well, there's this big Harvard situation where the graduate doctor did the report about increase of the type of bone cancer.

01:55:42.000 But that's not a new debate.

01:55:43.000 I've seen a bunch of mainline university studies from China to Japan to England where it causes massive increases in that type of cancer in boys.

01:55:52.000 Now, wait a second.

01:55:53.000 Massive increases.

01:55:54.000 You've got to be careful with that, in terms of implying cause and effect, if it might seem so, but to my knowledge... Doubling, tripling, depending on the study.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, well, I doubt it.

01:56:03.000 How's that?

01:56:04.000 But, I mean, you have those in front of you, I have... But excess, but excess amount.

01:56:08.000 Listen, when you start doing studies, here's something the pharmaceutical companies do all the time.

01:56:14.000 Let's suppose I have a drug, and I'm putting it on the market. 0.99

01:56:17.000 And I do eight studies in a row to find this drug's a piece of crap and it's causing side effects and killing people. 0.95

01:56:23.000 Then the eighth and the ninth study finds, which we tweak the study, right? 0.98

01:56:27.000 Find out, hey, this is a great drug and doesn't cause side effects.

01:56:29.000 What do you think is going to get published?

01:56:31.000 You've got to be very, very careful in that you look at, and this is what's difficult, the entire body of the literature.

01:56:39.000 There are people in America today, the membership is 650, who still believe the Earth is flat.

01:56:45.000 And they do their studies to produce it.

01:56:46.000 I would not offer that as evidence.

01:56:48.000 I would not say it's a controversy.

01:56:49.000 When 99.99% of scientists believe one thing and 0.01% believe another, why is it in America we want to go?

01:56:58.000 Because we love the underdog, I guess.

01:57:00.000 We want to go with a 0.01%.

01:57:02.000 Dr. Dean, you're doing what the big, and that's who's pushing it, you know, the big governments and banks are doing, pushing for a global carbon tax while ignoring all the real toxic waste and the rest of it.

01:57:12.000 They say every scientist agrees with man-made global warming, when that's actually not the truth, it's the opposite, that the vast majority believe it's not man-made, it's the sun cycle, and so you're saying everybody, you know, they all know that I'll put it to you another way.

01:57:27.000 Tell me the last time that you saw in the history of science, because I know a few examples here, when you saw that 0.1% of scientists turn out to be right.

01:57:38.000 And if they turned out to be right, by the way, they proved their case.

01:57:41.000 But it isn't 0.1% that believe that sodium fluoride... Well, pick whatever you want.

01:57:45.000 Tell me the last time.

01:57:46.000 Tell me the last time the iconoclast turned out to be right.

01:57:49.000 Because you're talking to an old-time hippie here.

01:57:51.000 I'm a very anti-establishment guy.

01:57:54.000 You know, I was into this stuff before most people listening to this program were bored.

01:57:57.000 Dr. Dean, are you saying that sodium fluoride, even the Big Kidney Foundation says it hurts kidneys, are you saying sodium fluoride doesn't cause bone calcification?

01:58:10.000 No, an appropriate amount, but Americans are often getting too much, so I agree with you there. 1.00

01:58:16.000 No, it can definitely be toxic, just like everything else.

01:58:18.000 You turn the heat on in your house, it warms your house.

01:58:20.000 Too little, you freeze.

01:58:21.000 Too much, you burn your house down.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, in fact, I get it.

01:58:23.000 So, like everything, fluoride is toxic in large amounts.

01:58:26.000 Tell you what, stay there.

01:58:26.000 Gotta break.

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02:00:10.000 Well, he's agreed to come back in the future.

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02:00:15.000 Nationally syndicated radio talk show host, Dr. Dina Dell, in the top 15 or so talk shows in the country most listened to.

02:00:23.000 And he's with us for about four more minutes here, so I'm just going to rapid-fire a few more comments at him.

02:00:30.000 Dr. Dean, I talked about Tuskegee, I talked about eugenics, the other things that have happened.

02:00:36.000 There's no doubt the UN, if you don't know this I can send it to you, has been caught adding different synthetic hormones to tetanus shots and sterilizing. 0.98

02:00:45.000 Planned Parenthood's in trouble for, yeah, give us money to get rid of the black people. 1.00

02:00:49.000 I mean, all this is going on. 0.98

02:00:50.000 That's why a lot of people don't trust the medical system.

02:00:54.000 I'm sure you know, you're a medical doctor, Presidio University, That a lot of our modern sciences were dominated by eugenicists up until 30-something states before sterilization here, and then they went underground with crypto-eugenics after World War II.

02:01:11.000 Were you aware of that?

02:01:12.000 Yeah, of course, but I kind of don't think it's helpful to take our past mistakes and condemn the future.

02:01:19.000 I agree with you.

02:01:20.000 These things have been horrible black marks on the history of science, and like the horrible black... Listen, you can say America is a horrible, horrible country because of all the horrible things we did, and look at our mistakes, and go down all the bad things we've done internationally and with other countries, and in war, and violence, and blah, blah, blah, blah, in our history. 1.00

02:01:38.000 That doesn't mean we're not a great country.

02:01:40.000 You know, so I think you have to be very, very careful when you raise these issues in terms of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

02:01:47.000 But I'm not saying the whole country is bad.

02:01:50.000 I'm saying these mad scientists Who literally, I mean, that guy Watson at the Human Genome Project at Cold Springs Harbor.

02:01:59.000 He was there when it was eugenics.

02:02:01.000 I read books.

02:02:02.000 Oh no, he's got terrible racist views.

02:02:05.000 It's all of them though, I'm telling you.

02:02:07.000 Don't say all of them.

02:02:08.000 Okay, 95% of the captains of modern... Well, 5% is not all.

02:02:14.000 You said all.

02:02:15.000 I'm saying the vast majority of the captains.

02:02:18.000 Well, you know what?

02:02:19.000 I mean, 50 years ago, almost everybody at the highest levels of science in this country, in England and Germany, was a raving racist.

02:02:26.000 Everybody knows that.

02:02:27.000 Well, I'd say 50 years ago, most people were.

02:02:30.000 But those ideas... I grew up in America, you know, I'm a child of World War II, and I would say we had and still have a problem with all this.

02:02:40.000 But I'm saying it's like Autopilot.

02:02:41.000 It's like Autopilot.

02:02:42.000 Their ideas, their systems of bioethics.

02:02:45.000 I mean, you've read the Wall Street Journal pieces about how people will be begging for food and water and they assanguillate them.

02:02:51.000 I'm not talking about Terry Schiavo.

02:02:53.000 I mean, you know about those cases.

02:02:54.000 Yes, of course.

02:02:55.000 But listen, I don't know... You tell me what you think.

02:02:58.000 And what profession do you think does not have really bad apples?

02:03:02.000 I'm not your talk show host.

02:03:04.000 What do you want to talk about?

02:03:05.000 Everything does.

02:03:05.000 I agree with you, but what I'm asking you, last question is this.

02:03:08.000 Why have doctors stopped giving the Hippocratic Oath?

02:03:11.000 Um, I don't know that they have, and I took it in medicine.

02:03:14.000 The Hippocratic Oath was written 2,000 years ago, and if you read it, it talks about not taking money from slaves, and it's like totally, totally out of touch.

02:03:22.000 We are a very highly screened group of professionals with bad apples, unethical, immoral people in it, but I'll bet you, if you took a survey of lawyers, politicians, businessmen, they would have a higher rate.

02:03:34.000 They would have a higher rate.

02:03:36.000 And we're humans!

02:03:37.000 We're humans, you know?

02:03:38.000 So it's important for the public to be aware of this so they can avoid this disease.

02:03:42.000 Look, our medical practitioners are very professional.

02:03:45.000 It's a very important priest guild.

02:03:47.000 We all know what it is.

02:03:49.000 With the little double snakes going up the tree and all the rest of it.

02:03:52.000 And we worship our doctors.

02:03:54.000 I understand that.

02:03:55.000 No, wait a second, I don't understand that.

02:03:58.000 We'll get off the pedestals and people will get off their knees.

02:04:00.000 No need to worship us.

02:04:01.000 I think it would be a lot healthier to not worship doctors, so I agree with you.

02:04:06.000 Well, will you come back on sometime so we can have further debates?

02:04:09.000 Anytime, this is fun.

02:04:11.000 Well, you've written a lot of books.

02:04:13.000 I've been trying to make you plug them.

02:04:14.000 I mean, what's some of the books?

02:04:16.000 Come on, plug them for us.

02:04:17.000 I'm not a plugger.

02:04:19.000 The first book is Eat Drink and Be Merry.

02:04:21.000 I think that's a good one.

02:04:22.000 And my most recent book is Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Healthiness.

02:04:26.000 Dr. Dean, I've got your email.

02:04:28.000 I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff about what they're putting in the water.

02:04:31.000 And if I send you proof that they're putting toxic waste in the water, will you... Uh, any information.

02:04:35.000 I'm an information junkie, but beware, I will send you back information and I'll ask you about it the next time we're together.

02:04:40.000 Alright, thanks for spending time with us.

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02:07:55.000 I've got several mainstream news articles here in front of me where the big consortium of central banks...

02:08:11.000 ...have gotten together publicly saying, we must have these new global taxes, we must stop the global warming, we must save the earth, it must happen now!

02:08:22.000 And then you go back to the IMF and World Bank documents, you go back to the Club of Rome documents, they state, in fact, just on Monday, I was reading Richard N. Haas, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the big Business Roundtable group here in the U.S.

02:08:39.000 saying it's a fake front.

02:08:42.000 We need to say global warming is a unifying effect, organize the people around it, and that the real threat is humanity.

02:08:49.000 This is their way of taxing and regulating and controlling your life.

02:08:52.000 The entire solar system is heating up.

02:08:57.000 When I had the heir to the Rothschild dynasty on during Live Earth last year, it's in my film Endgame, I said, well, why are Jupiter and Saturn and their moons heating up?

02:09:07.000 And he said, because they're closer to the Sun than the Earth.

02:09:10.000 And I said, no, they're not.

02:09:11.000 And he said, yes, they are.

02:09:12.000 And people emailed me and said that I was wrong and that the Earth is further away from the Sun than Jupiter and Saturn and Uranus.

02:09:20.000 Folks, the public, literally, I mean, I'm not even smart, but the people that follow this stuff are like cult members.

02:09:27.000 I mean, they just do not care.

02:09:31.000 And so what they do is they want to tax inert gases like carbon dioxide that's life-giving, and things like ozone, but they don't ever want to stop coal plants in Texas burning mercury coal.

02:09:42.000 Very dirty coal.

02:09:43.000 Oh no, something that actually might hurt you, we're not going to do anything about.

02:09:47.000 See, because the big corporations run all this.

02:09:49.000 And we are honored to be joined by Retired physics professor, 30 plus years at the University of Connecticut, and he's a top physicist.

02:10:01.000 I was reading over his bio here.

02:10:03.000 I've got one of the shorter bios here, but I'm not going to read the whole thing because we don't have time.

02:10:08.000 He could tell you more about himself, but he has also published quite a few books, and a few of them pertain to the whole global warming Hoax that we're facing and that we're here looking at.

02:10:21.000 And so I am very honored to have Howard C. Hayden on with us.

02:10:26.000 Thanks for coming on.

02:10:27.000 You're very welcome.

02:10:30.000 Let me just ask you as a physics professor, is the Earth closer to the Sun than Jupiter?

02:10:36.000 Absolutely.

02:10:37.000 Jupiter is 5.2 times as far from the Sun as the Earth is.

02:10:43.000 Well, I think they just ought to look it up in any astronomy book that they can find.

02:10:46.000 environmentalists do.

02:10:47.000 They won't actually look into what we say.

02:10:49.000 Maybe they're right.

02:10:50.000 Maybe it's closer.

02:10:51.000 Well, I think they just ought to look it up in any astronomy book that they can find.

02:10:57.000 I mean, for gosh sakes, that's been known since hundreds of years.

02:11:05.000 So, uh, what are they talking about?

02:11:08.000 Well, by the way, sir, I'm not even, you know, this sounds like satire, and a little bit of it is, but it's not real satire.

02:11:14.000 You know, one-fifth of Americans in major studies can't find the U.S.

02:11:17.000 Eighty percent of high school graduates don't know who the vice president is.

02:11:17.000 on a map.

02:11:21.000 I think they're getting away with this hoax because the public literally is in la-la land.

02:11:27.000 Well, I think they are, and there are a couple things that are driving the hoax.

02:11:32.000 One of them is that there are some scientists, and they are not, I repeat, not the majority, who are committed to the idea that global warming, A, is happening, and B, that we are responsible.

02:11:48.000 There are some, and the media have turned it into quite a frenzy, but there is also a huge amount of Money driving this scenario.

02:12:01.000 For example, I saw a huge billboard at Times Square last week that was advertising Gloom and Doom.

02:12:09.000 It showed London under ocean waves in 2092, and it showed, let's see, what the heck was it, Beijing under desert dunes in a matter of, I don't know, 30, 40 years, something like that.

02:12:31.000 And so I inquired what those billboards cost to run, and I don't have anything official on it yet, but it's somewhere around $700,000 a month.

02:12:43.000 So where exactly is the money coming from that's advertising this?

02:12:48.000 And my own presumption is, but I don't have any proof yet, but it's people who intend to cash in on the carbon credit trading.

02:13:01.000 This was a scam that was started by Enron, and though Enron went under because of its own internal malice, let's call it, the scam lives on.

02:13:16.000 So we have that going on, and there are people that stand to earn a tremendous amount of money by doing nothing more than buying and selling carbon credits.

02:13:27.000 Well, it's the carbon credits, it's cap and trade, but they're talking about regulators in your house for adding new windows, or when you buy a home, social workers literally over all the farms and ranches.

02:13:40.000 A reign of government terror, basically communism, but run by the big corporations where they administer it all.

02:13:47.000 Well, take a look at that first word in cap and trade.

02:13:52.000 It's cap.

02:13:53.000 Now, what Supreme Soviet decides exactly how much CO2 you or I or some given company or some given corporation or some given country is allowed to emit.

02:14:10.000 And therein lies, let's say, a lot of control, to put it mildly.

02:14:21.000 Well I've seen two mainstream news articles this week where the big consortium of banks are coming out saying, save the earth, we're all dead, give us this new global tax, and they now admit Now, we got the SPP documents from the Security Prosperity Partnership, and they said, well, they want a North American taxing grid.

02:14:40.000 They want to tax each car.

02:14:41.000 The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported last week the government wants to put a transponder in every car in Texas, and if you complain, well, it's for the Earth!

02:14:53.000 Yeah, yeah, oh, and the children.

02:14:55.000 Don't forget the children.

02:14:56.000 Exactly.

02:14:57.000 It's for the children.

02:15:01.000 Just from the perspective of the books you've written on this, as a physicist, in layman's terms, for people to understand, why is their claim of man-made global warming a hoax?

02:15:12.000 Well, it boils down to nothing more than a simple correlation, and that is that the Earth has been warming up, and CO2 emissions have been going up, and people see that there is some kind of a link between the two,

02:15:30.000 Uh, and indeed, you have to go back, uh, about a century, about a century ago, a guy named Arrhenius, uh, had figured out, uh, that, uh, additional CO2 would cause some heating of the Earth.

02:15:45.000 Now, it turned out that all his numbers were wrong, but the principle, uh, remains that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but it is a minor greenhouse gas that lies way behind water vapor.

02:16:00.000 Which lies way behind clouds, and furthermore, the thing that is not understood is that all of the carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere

02:16:16.000 Every year that is put up there by humans, because we burn coal, we burn oil, we burn natural gas, all that CO2 we put into the air is no more than about 3% of the CO2 that goes into the air.

02:16:32.000 And the other 97% comes from totally natural sources.

02:16:36.000 Humans, plankton, animals?

02:16:40.000 Primarily the ocean.

02:16:42.000 The warm ocean is an emitter of CO2.

02:16:45.000 Cold oceans are an absorber.

02:16:49.000 And historically, when the oceans have warmed up because of, let's say, orbital and solar effects, when the Earth Those have caused the Earth to warm up, the oceans have subsequently warmed up, and then the CO2 has followed suit and increased in the atmosphere.

02:17:12.000 Well, I mean, Al Gore in his film, Earth on the Balance, or Inconvenient Truth, his book and the film, he shows the graph, but he lies and puts the CO2 in red.

02:17:25.000 Underneath the green for the warming trend, but in all the studies from all the universities and different sciences and different divisions, it all shows the same data, that about 600 years after heating, you then get carbon dioxide increasing, not carbon dioxide goes up, and then heat goes up.

02:17:45.000 Is that a correct statement?

02:17:47.000 You are correct, but there was another time lag, and that is because the data that everybody refers to were taken in Vostok, which is fairly deep inland in Antarctica, where it is really very cold and they pull up ice cores, but the data points in that graph were about a thousand years apart.

02:18:12.000 And it took more, you know, later research to sort of correlate things deep in Antarctica with things nearer the shore where the snow piles up faster and you have higher resolution to determine that really the CO2 did come after the temperature changes.

02:18:35.000 So that, let's say, 30, 40 years ago, it was quite reasonable to assume How do they get that?

02:18:44.000 Is it a spectrometer?

02:18:45.000 who might have come first, or that they changed simultaneously because you couldn't tell from the data.

02:18:52.000 But newer data that is taken within the last 10 years really nailed that down. - How do they get that?

02:18:59.000 Is it a spectrometer, or how are they getting that data out of the ice?

02:19:05.000 - Well, you drill a core, which people do in the ice.

02:19:10.000 They do the same thing when they do mining.

02:19:13.000 Sure, I understand pulling up the plug, but I mean, what tools are they using to get that data?

02:19:19.000 Okay, well the first thing they do is they take part of this long cylinder of ice and they slice it into a It is a big idea.

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02:24:00.000 George Strait was singing, seashores of old Mexico.

02:24:07.000 It sounded so good Well, he's written quite a few books.

02:24:14.000 One of them is A Primer on CO2 and Climate by Howard C. Hayden.

02:24:18.000 This is a short segment.

02:24:19.000 We're going to come back in a longer segment, finish up with him, and then take a few of your calls and recap some top stories, get to a few things I haven't covered yet.

02:24:26.000 Look, I've studied history.

02:24:29.000 I've studied the different climate changes.

02:24:31.000 We know for 500 years they've been keeping pretty good records in places like England.

02:24:36.000 Really, 300.

02:24:37.000 But we know that the Earth's changing all the time.

02:24:40.000 The solar system's changing all the time.

02:24:42.000 The moons of Saturn and Jupiter that were ice are melting.

02:24:46.000 Up until just a few months ago, now the sun just cooled off, according to NASA and three other institutions that gauge how much energy it's putting off.

02:24:56.000 Can you elaborate on that and then get back into the ice core, sir?

02:25:01.000 Sure.

02:25:03.000 Just to finish up about the ice cores, what they do is they just heat the ice core up or slice the ice core up and then they measure the gas that's in it, and they can tell how much CO2 is there.

02:25:17.000 But, yeah, the sun has varied quite a bit over a period of time, and the Earth's climate has varied a whole lot.

02:25:27.000 Excuse me here just a minute here.

02:25:34.000 The glaciers, for example, people talk about the fact that they're receding.

02:25:41.000 Well, they have been receding quite steadily since about 1750, which is a long time before we started using fossil fuels.

02:25:51.000 Now, weren't they receding for the last 12,000 years, since the end of the last Ice Age?

02:25:55.000 I mean, there were glaciers into North Texas.

02:25:59.000 Well, yeah, yeah.

02:26:00.000 Well, there's a long, long time.

02:26:03.000 It was about 18,000 years ago when we were in the depths of the last Ice Age.

02:26:08.000 But then we went through the Little Ice Age.

02:26:10.000 In other words, things warmed up, and in the medieval warm period, which some people deny the existence of, Things are really quite jolly.

02:26:21.000 We had nice warm weather and so forth, and then they cooled off in the Little Ice Age, and that was basically coincident with the cooling of the sun, and now it's begun to warm up, and the Little Ice Age ended somewhere around 1750.

02:26:42.000 Now, you're one of the big experts on this, but I've interviewed literally probably 50 people on this subject.

02:26:47.000 I've seen the great documentary they just put out in England, you know, debunking.

02:26:54.000 Are we still there?

02:26:57.000 Wes?

02:26:59.000 Okay, sir.

02:27:00.000 Yeah, we are back here.

02:27:03.000 I'm in Texas, they're in Minnesota, and we're now able to get you back on.

02:27:08.000 Are you there, sir?

02:27:09.000 Yeah, I'm here.

02:27:11.000 Okay, fantastic.

02:27:12.000 Yeah, I'm in Texas or Minnesota, and we're putting in new lines today, so I think that may have been what just happened.

02:27:18.000 I'm trying to understand here, though.

02:27:20.000 I mean, the science is so simple.

02:27:23.000 How were they able to then engage in this hoax, and why did they decide to push this hoax?

02:27:31.000 Well, I'm not too good on human motivations.

02:27:35.000 I don't really understand human motivations, except some people are really driven by money.

02:27:41.000 The thing that people are looking at is basically computer programs.

02:27:50.000 They have the right computer programs, and they've actually got gloom and doom built into them.

02:27:58.000 For example, There was a recent paper, and I can't give you the exact details on this thing, but it was published, and what it described was a positive feedback system whereby if we heated up the Earth a little bit by carbon dioxide, then that would kick in more water vapor into the air and heat up the Earth a whole lot more, and we're heading for Hell in a handbasket and so forth.

02:28:27.000 And so the one chap who is really quite up on this thing studied that, and he took part of their computer program and just threw some random numbers in, and it showed that their program was guaranteeing a positive feedback.

02:28:46.000 There was something wrong with their computer program.

02:28:49.000 So, uh, he wrote a paper and sent it to the journal that had published that particular article.

02:28:57.000 And, uh, they sent it on to the author, and the good news is that the author said, oh my gosh, you are right!

02:29:04.000 So, anyway, uh, all of these scenarios about global warming are played out of people's computers, not in reality.

02:29:15.000 That's the thing to be remembered.

02:29:19.000 Absolutely, stay there.

02:29:20.000 And I saw in some of the reports they would enter into the computer that it was the CO2 that supposedly had this effect, and not the sun, and there would be two different, you know, responses from what reality would have shown.

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02:32:56.000 He is a retired 30-plus year professor at the University of Connecticut.

02:33:01.000 He's written quite a few scholarly works on the environment, a primer on CO2 and climate, solar fraud, and other publications.

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02:33:14.000 His name is Howard C. Hayden.

02:33:17.000 Professor Dr. Hayden, I kind of got caught short there on the break.

02:33:22.000 The point I was trying to make was this, and I'm just reading the scholarly reports and seeing the news reports about it, so I'm a layman, so correct me, but say they'll have an ocean rising model and then they won't even feed in all these other things like the sun and even major weather patterns.

02:33:42.000 They'll just feed in a basic equation of what will happen if, you know, CO2 is released and then they have it already built in the computer that CO2 will supposedly have enough of a climate driver to heat things up to make the ice caps melt and then we're going to be flooded.

02:34:03.000 I mean that's an oversimplification or can you break down how they build these models to show this disaster?

02:34:11.000 Well, one thing is they confuse the North Pole and the South Pole.

02:34:16.000 The thing that determines conditions at the North Pole is primarily ocean currents.

02:34:25.000 And, for example, there was a recent warming and a whole lot of ice just left.

02:34:32.000 And the Arctic Sea, and then ocean currents changed, and right away it came back.

02:34:38.000 It was the fastest rise known, but the records are short.

02:34:43.000 It only goes back to 1979.

02:34:46.000 South Pole, let me give you the ski report from the South Pole.

02:34:50.000 Maybe you have some skiers down there in Texas.

02:34:55.000 The ski report is two-tenths of an inch of new snow and two miles of base.

02:35:01.000 And the highest temperature ever recorded down there is 7 degrees at the South Pole Research Station.

02:35:09.000 The lowest temperature is 117 below.

02:35:13.000 Now, the last I checked, the melting point of ice hasn't changed.

02:35:20.000 And so just exactly how does one presume that the South Pole is going to melt?

02:35:26.000 I mean, for heaven's sake.

02:35:28.000 Well, also, they do real base things, like they will show polar bears on an ice flow and say, oh look, they're all going to drown.

02:35:37.000 They don't have a habitat anymore.

02:35:39.000 But, just watching shows about polar bears and reading a few books to my kids over the years, I know that they'll swim a hundred miles, they get out on those flows and hunt beluga and hunt seals, but the news said they can't swim, they're dead, global warming did this, and I remember reading adventure books, history books about people investigating the South and North Pole, the Strait of Magellan, you know, hundreds of years ago, And how there were always giant icebergs the size of cities breaking off.

02:36:06.000 I mean, that's what they do.

02:36:07.000 It rains, it puts more onto the glaciers, then they go out to the sea and break off.

02:36:12.000 But I guess polar bears can't swim and glaciers have never had icebergs.

02:36:18.000 Yeah, right.

02:36:21.000 Well, let me say something about the bears.

02:36:25.000 They have survived, actually, very well.

02:36:31.000 And for example, the polar bears go back a long, long time, about 120,000 years ago or something like that.

02:36:39.000 There was another interglacial, and it was a good deal warmer than it is today, and there was hardly any ice up anywhere around the North Pole, and the polar bears survived that perfectly well at that time.

02:36:55.000 I don't understand why they wouldn't survive it now.

02:36:59.000 And in fact, the The polar bear populations are not decreasing.

02:37:03.000 I think there is one, call it tribe of them, that's seen some decrease, but overall the total polar bear population has been either holding steady or slightly increasing.

02:37:18.000 Yeah, I saw a press report that they're coming further south and that their numbers are higher.

02:37:22.000 I think it said 25,000 or something?

02:37:24.000 Yeah, something like that.

02:37:26.000 There's quite a number of them.

02:37:29.000 Well, I mean, it's this type of mindless hype.

02:37:31.000 Now, since you've really studied what's happening with the sun, and I see so different, you know, all these different reports, but I remember five, six years ago seeing NASA reports about, look, we can see this moon's liquid sea of methane is melting due to the sun's increased output.

02:37:46.000 Can you specifically get into the sun as a driver, or is it the main driver in what we've seen in the solar system?

02:37:53.000 And is the sun now cooling, according to your studies, as NASA says it is?

02:37:58.000 Yes, the sun is now cooling and the past 60 years have shown the highest solar activity in the last 1400 years.

02:38:12.000 So, yes, the sun is now cooling, it has been warmer, and we can expect some cooling, but there's also some change in the ocean currents that's periodic, so that there is expected to be some cooling within the next decade or so.

02:38:31.000 And the temperature history also shows that, that during the, well, since January 2001, The temperature of the Earth has basically held almost flat.

02:38:47.000 It's rising at a 50th of a degree Celsius per decade at the present time.

02:38:54.000 Now, that's just the trend.

02:38:55.000 You know, you can't really predict from trends, but anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that the previous predictions about the horrendous warming that people expected have not come to pass.

02:39:17.000 It seemed like they were trying to hedge their bet in that day-after-tomorrow propaganda film, where they explained that global warming means instant freezing and the destruction of New York by ice.

02:39:28.000 And so now they're falling back to that, saying, yes, it's the global warming, now we're all going to freeze to death.

02:39:34.000 I'm sure you've heard that newest thing.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, I have.

02:39:39.000 The problem with that business is that when you predict everything, you predict nothing.

02:39:46.000 You just write down a list of things that could happen, you know, that's not a prediction. 0.99

02:39:51.000 And so it's just pure garbage. 0.98

02:39:55.000 No reason to believe any of it. 0.99

02:39:57.000 You talked about the majority of real scientists don't agree with them.

02:40:00.000 There's been a big controversy.

02:40:01.000 They had 1,800 people sign on, as you know, I'm telling the audience, this UN document a year or so ago, a year and a half ago, and now it's come out that a lot of them were just invited to the conference, never even signed on, but then saw their names.

02:40:15.000 Uh, and then they cult-like say, there's no disagreement, it's 100%, all scientists agree, which kind of backfired on them because then they're coming out of the woodwork saying, I don't agree, I don't agree.

02:40:27.000 I mean, again, this is bizarre.

02:40:30.000 I mean, can you speak to the real numbers?

02:40:32.000 Yeah, there were something like 2,500 people who attended the IPCC gathering in Maui.

02:40:40.000 Now understand what IPCC stands for.

02:40:43.000 It's the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

02:40:48.000 And as it turned out, there's only about 52 climate scientists among the whole lot.

02:40:56.000 And they, among themselves, were in considerable disagreement about things.

02:41:03.000 And I know of at least one who sued to have his name taken off that list of people it signed.

02:41:11.000 But there's quite another thing that's going on.

02:41:14.000 Independently, there's a petition that was run out of Oregon, and there were 19,000 scientists who signed a statement saying that the global warming is certainly not proven and the science isn't up to it.

02:41:35.000 You know, it's not time to panic.

02:41:39.000 And there's another petition that I I only know about sort of through back channels that has something like 29,000 signatures on it where people disagree with the IPCC scenario.

02:41:55.000 And you notice that's never going to be in the news?

02:41:57.000 It'll never be in the news.

02:42:00.000 Well, what can we do to turn this around?

02:42:02.000 I mean, people can get your book, give it to other physicists, give it to other climatologists.

02:42:06.000 I mean, I'm a nobody when it comes to this, but I've read what all the experts are saying, and they're saying this is a fraud.

02:42:12.000 Why does Al Gore think he's going to get away with this?

02:42:16.000 Well, the interesting thing about Al Gore, he was invited to speak at a meeting in New York, which was climate skeptics.

02:42:26.000 I was one of those skeptics, by the way.

02:42:29.000 And he was invited to speak, and they said, name your price.

02:42:35.000 And they know that his price is usually $200,000 per lecture.

02:42:41.000 He gets big money out of this thing, and he refused to speak in front of this group.

02:42:51.000 And they said, name your price.

02:42:53.000 If he could have named, say, a million dollars, they would have paid it.

02:42:56.000 But no, no, he doesn't know this stuff very well, and he knows that any climate scientist on the planet can shoot him down because of his errors.

02:43:11.000 But so he won't speak.

02:43:13.000 But then there was a recent meeting of professional engineers up in Denver.

02:43:20.000 This was the Colorado Professional Engineers and they decided to have a forum on global warming and they'd like to hear both sides of the issue.

02:43:28.000 So they're right there in Denver near Boulder where NOAA is headquartered and NCAR, National Center for Atmospheric Care, is located, and so they said, okay, let's just find some of these people at NOAA and NCAR, Bragg, or part of this IPCC, and have them give a talk.

02:43:51.000 And one of them said that it wouldn't be an appropriate forum.

02:43:54.000 Now, mind you, professional engineers are the elite of engineers.

02:44:02.000 And all the rest of them that they asked found better things to do.

02:44:06.000 I'm busy.

02:44:06.000 I'm clipping my toenails that day or something.

02:44:09.000 But nobody from there would show up to debate some kind of low-level people like myself.

02:44:18.000 And it wasn't going to be a debate.

02:44:19.000 They could just make a presentation and leave if they wanted to.

02:44:22.000 Well, sir, you said it.

02:44:23.000 You realize that the big banks and the big money and they're publicly behind it.

02:44:26.000 We have government documents.

02:44:28.000 They want the global taxes and they can't just come say, hey, you know, big government's good.

02:44:34.000 People know it's not good now.

02:44:35.000 They've pretty much woken up to that.

02:44:37.000 And so they say, OK, it's to save you.

02:44:39.000 If you don't do this, you're going to die.

02:44:40.000 It's kind of like, well, the U.N. has said they don't want to have war now as a unifying threat, so now they want to have the outside threat of the climate, the environment.

02:44:51.000 You know, the witch doctors 5,000 years ago would con their tribe into giving them special lifestyles and status because they could predict when a solar eclipse or lunar was going to happen. 0.97

02:45:01.000 And really it's the same thing now. 0.97

02:45:02.000 It's like we're a bunch of ignorant savages, and they're just telling us ooga booga, the sun won't come back, You're going to die unless you give me all the power. 0.97

02:45:12.000 I mean, can it, from a sociological perspective, or really from an anthropology view, doctor, be looked at in that way? 0.98

02:45:20.000 Well, yeah, and I would add another example.

02:45:22.000 Perhaps you've experienced this thing on your computer that you've logged onto some site on the web and then all of a sudden something some pop-up starts telling you that you've got some virus in your system or something and then you know you got you got to get some computer program to remove it and then every time you turn around you get this pop-up telling you you have to go get this stuff to get the junk out of your system

02:45:52.000 well this is what we call extortion wear yes and and uh the the same thing is happening in the global warming scenario that people are basically extorting through fear uh...

02:46:08.000 You know, you have to pay us.

02:46:10.000 Well, that's my final point, Doctor, and it's this.

02:46:14.000 Now I'm sure you've heard that government heads and others have called for our arrest.

02:46:18.000 They're saying it's like Holocaust denial, that if you deny that there's global warming and that we need to fix it, that you need to be arrested because it's a crime against humanity.

02:46:30.000 Well, I haven't heard the arrest part, but I certainly have seen the silencing part.

02:46:38.000 Listen, you can Google that, and it's all over the British and German news, where they're saying that denying this is like denying the Holocaust and should be illegal.

02:46:47.000 Yeah, well, I look at it this way.

02:46:50.000 Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize, which puts him right up there with Yasser Arafat.

02:46:59.000 And he refers to people like us as skeptics and deniers, and that puts us right down there with Galileo.

02:47:06.000 Thank you.

02:47:08.000 Absolutely.

02:47:10.000 It does move, doesn't it?

02:47:12.000 It certainly does.

02:47:13.000 Well, we appreciate you coming on.

02:47:14.000 Tell us about a couple of the books.

02:47:17.000 Well, I have a primer on CO2 and climate.

02:47:22.000 It's available at baleslake.com, and it's available at Amazon also.

02:47:28.000 Sales are running high on that, and I'll be coming out with a second issue, second edition pretty soon.

02:47:35.000 And then another one is called the Solar Fraud Second Edition.

02:47:40.000 The subtitle is, Why Solar Energy Won't Run the World.

02:47:43.000 Well, they're clearly going for broke now.

02:47:45.000 I mean, they don't care that they've been shown to be frauds.

02:47:48.000 This being one of the coldest winters in modern times, though, the federal government even admitting that right now, globally, they're going to have trouble spinning this gloom and doom when every one of their conferences keeps getting blizzarded out.

02:48:01.000 Well, actually, I look forward to having this whole thing quiet down and winding up with a bunch of unsold books because the thing has gotten out of people's minds and they're just not excited about it anymore.

02:48:15.000 Well, I think we're starting to turn the corner.

02:48:17.000 A lot of people who believed in it a year ago, when they saw the NFL pushing it and Bush even saying he was for it now, I think the massive corporate push, people went, wait a minute, wait a minute, something stinks.

02:48:32.000 Well, yeah, I think so, but you have to be eternally vigilant because they're always out there and they're after your pocketbook.

02:48:41.000 Oh, no, I agree that the fight's hot and heavy.

02:48:43.000 We're in the thick of the fight.

02:48:44.000 I just think that now people are finally realizing it's a fraud.

02:48:48.000 They're not stopping.

02:48:49.000 Maybe that's why they're tripling and quadrupling.

02:48:51.000 I mean, have you seen how they're just going wild?

02:48:53.000 Do you think that's maybe they're getting desperate?

02:48:57.000 Well, I think so, but by the way, I have written a paper once that was published in Nuclear News, and it advised the nuclear industry not to take on this global warming as an argument for nuclear, because nuclear has plenty of its own merits, and they should not rest a strong case on weak arguments.

02:49:26.000 And I don't know if that had any influence on the nuclear community, but I am happy to say that they have been fairly circumspect about this issue.

02:49:38.000 So, you know, they haven't joined that bandwagon.

02:49:44.000 Absolutely.

02:49:45.000 All right.

02:49:45.000 Well, thank you so much for spending time with us.

02:49:48.000 He's Howard C. Hayden.

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02:49:53.000 Thanks for spending time with us.

02:49:54.000 You're very welcome.

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02:55:03.000 I meant to play that, but I don't think we're going to have time to play that today.

02:55:08.000 We just ran out of time with all the guests and the info and your calls and the material that we covered here today.

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02:55:58.000 But I do hope that you will join me this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

02:56:02.000 We'll have big news on Monday.

02:56:03.000 We've got Bob Chapman coming on and a lot of other important news as we watch the meltdown of the dollar.

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02:56:17.000 Aaron's written a story about it.

02:56:20.000 I meant to play it in the last segment.

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02:56:24.000 I guess you've got it now, but not time to play it, right?

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Alex Jones Show - March 21, 2008

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