Alex Jones Show - 20080624_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Okay, Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman this hour will be joining us to talk about the sustained attack on the most basic of rights, the right to defend yourself from the criminal rogue government, as well as the average scumbag trying to invade your home in the middle of the night. 0.93

00:00:26.000 Our journey towards enslavement is nearing completion.

00:00:29.000 Fourth Amendment completely overturned and abandoned.

00:00:32.000 First Amendment annihilated.

00:00:33.000 They're moving forward against every one of the most basic rights.

00:00:38.000 Here in the final days of the old republic, will we be able to have it rise again like a phoenix from the ashes?

00:00:45.000 Or will the new technocracy of dehumanization reign supreme?

00:00:50.000 Loaded phone lines to talk to Larry Pratt coming up in the next segment.

00:00:53.000 We'll get to all of you on the Second Amendment.

00:00:55.000 Finishing up with a story out of the register out of the United Kingdom.

00:01:00.000 I experienced this.

00:01:01.000 We'd be quietly videotaping in London Interviewing people on the street and cops would walk over and say, get out of here, I'm going to arrest you, no cameras, no interviews.

00:01:10.000 And I'd say, but is there a law?

00:01:12.000 And they'd just say, I'm putting you in the database right now.

00:01:15.000 And I learned it was a terrorist database.

00:01:17.000 And they hire provocateurs, that's in the news today.

00:01:20.000 Police dress up and go to rallies and start fights to get people arrested.

00:01:24.000 That's all admitted, mainstream news.

00:01:26.000 And the news kind of says, maybe that's good.

00:01:29.000 You know, maybe that's what freedom is.

00:01:31.000 That's kind of the whole attitude.

00:01:33.000 Our news is like, maybe torture's good.

00:01:36.000 Maybe all of this is okay.

00:01:37.000 This is this great evil.

00:01:39.000 But in D.C., in Austin, Texas, all over I have cops walk over.

00:01:45.000 And say, turn your camera off, you're not allowed to be protesting, you're not allowed to stand on the street corner.

00:01:50.000 But England is the worst, so they're going through where they just come up, there's no law, they just grab your film, frisk you, take it from you, doesn't matter, it says if you're mainstream press, they still do it.

00:02:00.000 They put up all their cameras surveilling us, they watch what we're doing, they face scan us, but then we don't go out and videotape them.

00:02:08.000 I mean, this is total police state, this is total East Germany. 0.72

00:02:12.000 I mean, it's happening.

00:02:14.000 And it goes on, Mr. Carroll requested an explanation.

00:02:17.000 He asked whether he was obliged to hand over his film.

00:02:19.000 In vain, every time he asked, back came the same response.

00:02:22.000 I'm taking your film, Robocop said.

00:02:26.000 When he eventually handed over his film, he was asked to turn out his pockets and to show the other films he had on them.

00:02:32.000 The police filed out of the ubiquitous forms, this one labeled stop and search, and went on their way on the form clearly read, in other words, seized films.

00:02:42.000 No judge, no jury, no due process, no process.

00:02:45.000 Just arbitrary, judge, jury, God, absolute king of earth, thug.

00:02:52.000 What are we to make of this?

00:02:53.000 A statement from Humberside Police reiterated that Mr. Carroll had been photographing sensitive buildings.

00:02:58.000 And that's anywhere sensitive.

00:02:59.000 And remarkably bullish, as they pump the country full of foreigners, by the way. 1.00

00:03:03.000 They added that they would expect other officers within the force to act the same manner if they're given a similar situation.

00:03:09.000 But what situation?

00:03:13.000 And then it goes on to say, this is seriously alarming stuff.

00:03:16.000 These stop-and-talks.

00:03:17.000 They just stop and interrogate you and put you in a database.

00:03:21.000 This is seriously alarming stuff.

00:03:22.000 It's bad enough on its own, but coupled with long catalog of other incidents that have been reported recently, it begins to look like a pattern.

00:03:29.000 The government's ordered this.

00:03:29.000 What are you talking about?

00:03:31.000 They arrested a woman for reading a newspaper.

00:03:34.000 Stopped and reading a newspaper.

00:03:35.000 That was in the London Telegraph last year.

00:03:40.000 And the cops said that it had a headline about Stop the War and that people on the street weren't allowed to see a... You think I'm joking, folks.

00:03:49.000 You can go look it up.

00:03:51.000 That the officer didn't like that headline.

00:03:53.000 I mean, this is... I'm God.

00:03:55.000 This is drill camp.

00:03:56.000 You're at West Point.

00:03:58.000 You're a cadet. 0.99

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00:04:01.000 You are a freshman cadet.

00:04:03.000 I'm gonna line you up.

00:04:04.000 I'm gonna tell you you've got no rights.

00:04:06.000 I'm gonna tell you I'm arresting you for that newspaper.

00:04:10.000 Cop walks by, sees a person reading a newspaper with a copy.

00:04:13.000 I'm going to go ahead and arrest you.

00:04:13.000 You know what?

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00:04:19.000 It's meant to be crazy.

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00:04:27.000 It's a searing of the conscience.

00:04:31.000 It's a bathing in a tyranny.

00:04:33.000 And then it goes through all these examples and has links to news organizations where it's happening to their people.

00:04:39.000 And the cops steal the cameras! 0.92

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00:08:02.000 Several months ago, the Supreme Court ruled in secret, as they always do, on the meaning of the Second Amendment.

00:08:10.000 This is a massively historical case, as big as Roe v. Wade, when it comes to a constitutional ruling.

00:08:19.000 Monday they came out and in the past, within a day or so, they normally, when they have their meeting to announce their rulings, you then hear it.

00:08:28.000 But now they're talking about today, tomorrow, Monday, what the White House and the Democrats have said.

00:08:35.000 They're unified on gun control.

00:08:37.000 To be clear, Is that they're for the Second Amendment, but the Second Amendment means they can ban your guns and take them from you.

00:08:45.000 So it's lawyer speak.

00:08:46.000 They're very good now at not fighting with us.

00:08:50.000 They make us think we've won and stab us in the back.

00:08:53.000 It's a corporate Delphi technique.

00:08:54.000 They say, oh, you've got a right.

00:08:57.000 The DC gun ban is struck down.

00:09:00.000 They have to let people have guns through permits, but they don't have to give you a permit.

00:09:05.000 And then a reign of terror is going to begin everywhere.

00:09:08.000 They've tripled the size of the BATF.

00:09:10.000 All this is happening.

00:09:10.000 Larry Pratt, Executive Director, Gun Owners of America, GunOwners.org.

00:09:15.000 We've never had more lawsuits, more attacks, more bullet marking rules.

00:09:20.000 It's all happening now.

00:09:22.000 More attacks on ammo makers.

00:09:25.000 Gunowners.org joins us to give us his expert analysis on when we're going to hear the hearing, what he thinks is going to happen, why they're delaying it, which I think is very ominous.

00:09:35.000 Larry Pratt, thanks for coming on.

00:09:37.000 Alex, thank you for having me.

00:09:38.000 I really appreciate being with you again.

00:09:40.000 Thank you.

00:09:41.000 Tell us what's happening.

00:09:43.000 Well, the court has seven more decisions to go.

00:09:45.000 They've handed down some thirty Twenty-some, thirty, whatever.

00:09:51.000 And they typically do all of their handing down of decisions during the month of June.

00:09:57.000 So that means by the calendar, they probably will get finished doing them by next Monday.

00:10:04.000 Monday is one of the normal days they hand down decisions through the month.

00:10:08.000 Thursday is another.

00:10:09.000 And now we're told that they may have decisions being handed down tomorrow as well.

00:10:16.000 So my guess is that if there's a last one, it's likely to be DC versus Heller, the DC gun ban case.

00:10:25.000 They are no doubt faced with some political as well as internal disagreements on the court.

00:10:35.000 It's not too much of a bit of rocket science to Conclude that there are going to be at least five justices for the position that there's an individual right to keep and bear arms that's protected by the Second Amendment.

00:10:49.000 And, you know, as far as it goes, that's good because the antis have been making their argument all along that you had no individual right to keep and bear arms, that if you had a gun, it was only because you were part of the militia of the state of whatever and had nothing to do with an individual right.

00:11:07.000 That argument is going to go out the window, almost certainly, because five judges have said they buy the individual right.

00:11:14.000 However, the but means that the devil will be in the details, because none of them seem to be concerned about the last four words, shall not be infringed.

00:11:28.000 And the discussion that we can I imagine the discussion that we heard a little bit of in the hearing, the oral argument that was presented before the Supreme Court several weeks ago, has been on how much infringement can they get away with.

00:11:44.000 Now, Justice Stevens was the most brazen.

00:11:47.000 He was the one that actually asked Mr. Heller's attorney Would you agree with the view that the last part of the amendment could be interpreted to read, shall not be unreasonably infringed?

00:12:05.000 Unhappily, the attorney answered in the affirmative.

00:12:09.000 And then he was asked two specific questions to nail that down and they were, would it be reasonable then to ban machine guns, another affirmative, and would it be reasonable to require licenses to buy handguns, which is something that was the underlying law before the D.C.

00:12:28.000 gun ban, technically as part of the D.C.

00:12:31.000 And the power to license is the power to tax and destroy, and we know that's the Chicago, New York model.

00:12:31.000 gun ban law.

00:12:36.000 So this is the bottom line, and I want to see if you concur exactly on this or if you want to add a caveat or an addendum.

00:12:45.000 I have seen the policy in the last ten years, eight years, of the government switch to no longer having a frontal attack on us, because our numbers were growing, we were energized by the attack, we were taking over states and winning political battles, to a stealth mode of, you have a right to own guns, but we have a right to ban them all, basically, or make you jump through 5,000 flaming hoops and find the Bermuda Triangle

00:13:09.000 And swim around with a mermaid with your hands tied behind your back, and then fly to Pluto, and then you can own a gun.

00:13:15.000 And so they're going to go into that model, and so we'll actually have a Supreme Court ruling saying, yeah, you can have a license, you can be controlled, and then it's all over a reign of terror.

00:13:25.000 I quite agree with that, and I would say so does the Brady campaign to stop gun violence.

00:13:31.000 The old Handgun Control Incorporated, Paul Helmke, their present spokesman, said that uh... in a way we can see an advantage of losing out on the idea that we can no longer have an outright ban on guns because now that boogeyman can no longer be used by the pro-gun people uh... now we will just be talking about Reasonable restrictions on a right to keep and bear arms that has been established.

00:14:00.000 Now that's key.

00:14:01.000 Let's understand, everybody, there's no debating this.

00:14:03.000 The pro-gun ban, the victim disarmament lobby likes this because it's one thing in their little playground of the district of criminals up there to disarm their slaves, their subjects, but now they're going to have a ruling nationwide that is only reflected of that one area and say, oh, you have the right to us to restrict your guns.

00:14:26.000 I mean, this is incredible.

00:14:28.000 That's exactly the Orwellian nature of what we're talking about.

00:14:33.000 It is truly something to behold.

00:14:36.000 And it was something to behold to watch Justice Stevens in plain sight, recorded.

00:14:42.000 You can still probably go to the Supreme Court website and hear the recording.

00:14:49.000 You can almost see him taking out a copy of the Second Amendment.

00:14:52.000 Getting a hold of those last four words, and between not and infringed, putting one of those little editorial carrots, like an open triangle, in between those last two words, and writing on top, unreasonably.

00:15:05.000 And hey, we're all in agreement, it protects an individual right, and we will tell you how it can be exercised.

00:15:14.000 And really the only thing that we're in doubt about, in my opinion, And what I can't tell you with any specificity until we've read the decision, is how much infringement do they openly declare they can get away with?

00:15:28.000 And so I think that's the only doubt that we have.

00:15:32.000 And frankly, once they have any infringement reserved into themselves, that's really the same.

00:15:37.000 Well, what do you do though?

00:15:38.000 I mean, the Supreme Court previously said blacks were only two-thirds human. 0.98

00:15:42.000 Obviously, if the Supreme Court rules they can You know, cut our heads off without due process. 0.96

00:15:47.000 It's unconstitutional.

00:15:49.000 This is a fraud.

00:15:50.000 What do we do when the devastating ruling comes down?

00:15:54.000 A. Because it's going to neutralize mainline conservatives.

00:15:57.000 They're going to think, oh, it's a victory for the Second Amendment.

00:16:00.000 It's going to be advertised.

00:16:01.000 So that's a sleeping gas.

00:16:03.000 And then the states are all going to move, as well as the feds, with wanton abandon against us.

00:16:08.000 Well, you hope there's at least one exception among the states, and that's the state of Montana.

00:16:14.000 It's legislature passed a resolution which they brought to the attention of the Supreme Court.

00:16:19.000 Wasn't as a formal brief, but I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court knows about it.

00:16:24.000 It was published as a letter to the editor in the Washington Times.

00:16:28.000 And this resolution has a lot of whereases and a number of resolves, but the one that's I think the real key is if the Supreme Court were to rule that it could infringe in any degree The second amendment, then that would put into question the continuing validity of the compact, read contract, the compact by which Montana joined the Union in 1889.

00:16:55.000 Now, then there is strong words because obviously when a contract is unilaterally broken by one party, in this case the federal government, then Montana is released of any of its obligation to be part of the Union.

00:17:12.000 And that's what they're saying.

00:17:13.000 Now, I think I've mentioned to you before, I thought our brief was edgy because we had reminded the court that the Crown got shot at when they kept pushing and shooting at our guys, when they kept shutting down our governments and our militias.

00:17:30.000 And so this generation is watching what the Supreme Court will do in this case.

00:17:34.000 And that's why they do it incrementally.

00:17:36.000 They've got to do it slow or it will become a shooting war.

00:17:39.000 Well, I think they're certainly concerned about that, but what would happen if Montana was actually not fooling, which is a big if, I admit, but let's ask the question, are they sure that Montana wouldn't just say, you know what?

00:17:54.000 You have put, not only into doubt, you busted the contract.

00:17:58.000 What you guys just did in that June umpteenth decision, DC versus Heller, shows that you have nothing but contempt for the compact by which we entered the union.

00:18:10.000 And this was something that was guaranteed to not be altered in that compact, and therefore you've gone and broken it.

00:18:18.000 You know, Montana's not without recourse.

00:18:20.000 They could sidle up with the province of Alberta, which has nearly identical dislike of being in the Commonwealth of Canada.

00:18:30.000 And between the two states, they're sitting on tons and tons of oil.

00:18:35.000 They could certainly finance their own Operation and with air traffic being what it is.

00:18:44.000 I don't think they have to worry about being landlocked.

00:18:46.000 So this is not really all that much of an idle threat if they choose to not blink.

00:18:53.000 Well, we've got a rogue government, Larry Pratt, and nobody can deny that.

00:18:57.000 I want to come back with you and take some phone calls from Joe and Sandra and Charles and Bobby and others that are patiently holding.

00:19:05.000 I want to speak with you.

00:19:06.000 Then we've got Aaron Zellman coming on to talk about this.

00:19:08.000 But for those that don't know, this is the biggest thing I've seen in the Second Amendment in my 34, 35 years on the planet.

00:19:16.000 Larry, is this the most important, biggest, single thing you've ever seen?

00:19:21.000 What we're about to find out, Larry?

00:19:23.000 I think so.

00:19:23.000 Between this and Roe v. Wade, I can't think of any two more major assaults on the Constitution.

00:19:29.000 Been lots of them, but this is pretty brazen if they do what we think they're going to do.

00:19:34.000 And do you agree that they're going to come out and announce it as a victory to fool everybody?

00:19:38.000 Oh, no question.

00:19:38.000 Why?

00:19:39.000 We just gave you an individual right.

00:19:40.000 Gave you, get that?

00:19:43.000 But we can remove it if prescribed by law, which is what the EU Charter does.

00:19:47.000 Stay with us, Larry Brad.

00:19:52.000 I'm going to keep talking to Larry.

00:19:53.000 Warning! 0.98

00:19:54.000 The EPA states that... John, I'm going to keep talking to Larry.

00:19:57.000 We're still rolling, guys.

00:19:58.000 Hey, Larry, I'm doing a webcast for Time Constraints.

00:20:01.000 I want to keep talking during the breaks, okay?

00:20:02.000 Sure.

00:20:04.000 Tell us about Gun Owners of America.

00:20:05.000 Tell us how people can join.

00:20:07.000 They're needed now more than ever.

00:20:09.000 The media is more sophisticated.

00:20:10.000 They're not letting us know that this is the final assault.

00:20:13.000 How do we join?

00:20:14.000 How do we support?

00:20:15.000 We're at gunowners.org.

00:20:16.000 That's the easiest way to join, and certainly For those on the webcast, that would be something they could do while they keep listening.

00:20:23.000 GunOwners.org is the place where our alerts are archived and they can join, become a life member for $500.

00:20:30.000 It's only $20 for a year.

00:20:33.000 And this is, as you say, very important because of the growing constriction on communication.

00:20:40.000 There's right now a backdoor effort to get at the Fairness Doctrine, without calling it that, called Broadcast Localism.

00:20:48.000 It's a proposal by the FCC that would Uh, set up stakeholders, which are these Stalinist People's Tribunals that are appointed by bureaucrats who would decide whether a station's been naughty or nice.

00:21:01.000 By the way, that really came out of the Stalinist era.

00:21:04.000 For folks that don't know, political correctness was a term there, the stakeholder thing, and of course these little committees are just fronts for the global corporations.

00:21:12.000 They just point at them and say, that's the NGO, they say.

00:21:16.000 That is exactly right, and we filed comments actually belatedly because we didn't know about it until it was technically too late, but we thought it was important all the same to go on the record because we know what they're doing and this would be just as effective a way to shut down Rush Limbaugh or Larry Pratt's little show on Saturday afternoon or anybody in between that doesn't speak enough Spanish, that doesn't have enough

00:21:41.000 Among job training possibilities on their show.

00:21:47.000 Now, the fact that the market doesn't demand it, that people acting freely, using their money to get what they want, which is the way radio pretty much operates, that doesn't concern them because we've already identified the mentality that these folks have.

00:22:02.000 It's Stalinist.

00:22:03.000 No wonder they want our guns, because they're fixing on telling us exactly what it is we're going to hear, what we're going to think.

00:22:11.000 Larry, I just can't believe how far this country's fallen.

00:22:14.000 I mean, did you ever think you would see the Supreme Court?

00:22:18.000 Because we know, we've already got their oral comments and the debates, and you guys were there.

00:22:23.000 I mean, they're telling us they're going to say, we can restrict them, we can ban them, we can make you get a license.

00:22:29.000 I mean, this is going to be hell on earth!

00:22:32.000 It seems like we're watching the bottom fall out, that the Christian foundations that our founding fathers had given us, Have held firm long after we allowed erosion and corruption to enter into the foundation itself. 0.55

00:22:47.000 But now the point seems to have been reached when it's all kind of collapsing into the middle and you can almost hear the structure coming down around our ears.

00:22:58.000 It's moving very fast because when they start moving on what you're allowed to say and not say, when they can tell you how many guns, if any, you can have It's getting pretty far along, and they will continue the process of criminalizing politics.

00:23:18.000 When we disagree with you on anything... Well, they're already all over the U.S.

00:23:21.000 saying you can't videotape or be on the street while they have cameras on us.

00:23:24.000 I mean, it's getting bad, Larry.

00:23:26.000 Exactly.

00:23:27.000 Gunowners.org.

00:23:28.000 We're going to go back to the main radio show here in about 20 seconds and take some calls.

00:23:31.000 Okay, Larry?

00:23:32.000 Very good.

00:23:32.000 Do you want to stay on with Aaron Zellman, or are you too busy?

00:23:36.000 I'd be happy to stay on, although he probably doesn't need anything else.

00:23:39.000 No, no, let's have you both together. 0.91

00:23:40.000 That's something new.

00:23:41.000 He's going to be on at the bottom of the hour, but here we go.

00:23:53.000 Nobody's going to tell you this is the final battle for the Second Amendment.

00:23:57.000 The criminals in white robes that are about as conservative as Mao Zedong are going to come out and say, you've got a right to have guns, we've got a right to ban them.

00:24:05.000 Your right is to have us take them.

00:24:08.000 Your right is to have us tax them.

00:24:10.000 They're announcing they're going to track every internet purchase.

00:24:13.000 The government won't even let you report on yourself.

00:24:14.000 It'll be instantly reported to the government.

00:24:17.000 No fourth, no fifth.

00:24:19.000 It's total tyranny, folks.

00:24:21.000 They are Hey Alex, how you doing?

00:24:24.000 Yeah, me too.

00:24:24.000 Welcome back from your vacation.

00:24:25.000 I hope you enjoyed it with your family.

00:24:26.000 TV viewers and the behind-the-scenes little interview we just did.

00:24:29.000 Let's go to your calls.

00:24:30.000 He's going to ride shotgun with us with Aaron Zellman in the next segment.

00:24:33.000 Joe in Pennsylvania, you're on the air with Larry Pratt.

00:24:36.000 Thanks for holding.

00:24:37.000 Hey, Alex.

00:24:38.000 How are you doing?

00:24:38.000 I'm pretty freaked out.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, me too.

00:24:40.000 Welcome back from your vacation.

00:24:42.000 I hope you enjoyed it with your family.

00:24:44.000 Really, I was so worried about the country, I couldn't enjoy it.

00:24:47.000 Well, you know, a couple years ago, a friend of mine applied for a concealed weapons permit, and it took them like six months.

00:24:56.000 It took them like six months to get it.

00:24:57.000 Now, my dad is 69, and he applied surgery.

00:25:01.000 I was sitting here in his house, and he came back in like a month and a half, and I was amazed.

00:25:05.000 And they just went and they gave him a permit.

00:25:06.000 But anyway, I was listening to what you guys had to say, what you were talking about and everything, and what could be done.

00:25:12.000 Well, number one, again, they get you used to taking licenses, and then within a generation they phase out the license.

00:25:19.000 But here's the deal.

00:25:21.000 Talking about what can be done, we have to admit they're coming after our guns first.

00:25:26.000 I've had people in gun stores in Austin come up to me and tell me I'm a liar, that Bush wasn't for the assault weapons ban.

00:25:32.000 Larry Pratt?

00:25:33.000 Bush said if he had it on his desk, if the Congress delivered it to the White House, he would sign it.

00:25:41.000 That was a public statement, more than once, that his spokesman made on his behalf.

00:25:46.000 So we knew the game in the House of Representatives, which at the time we Had some fairly good muscle, was to keep a vote from happening at all, and then it finally expired, as we know.

00:25:58.000 Folks, if we have the political will, there's 160 million gun owners, probably more, we can take the country back. 0.72

00:26:04.000 I mean, Larry, is that the true statement?

00:26:06.000 It will stop letting the NRA sandbag us and put us to sleep, and if we realize they're a Judas goat, we can save the country. 0.99

00:26:13.000 Yeah, we gotta stop trying to put lipstick on a pig. 1.00

00:26:16.000 It really doesn't make the pig look any better. 0.97

00:26:20.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:26:21.000 So what's your solution?

00:26:23.000 I say get mad, get aggressive, never stop.

00:26:26.000 One of the things that's a big challenge that we need to do this year is no matter how discouraged people are about the presidential race, do not neglect to go and vote.

00:26:37.000 We have congressional races.

00:26:40.000 In most states we have state races at the statewide level as well as local races.

00:26:45.000 All of those are terribly important, and if there's a landslide that sweeps in a bunch of far-left Marxists, and whatever you and I both may say about the present rascals that are in there, let's face it, what's fixing to come in the tsunami would be like moving to the Soviet Union.

00:27:02.000 Well, that's my point, is that both parties are basically wings on the same bird of prey, and if we don't break the left-right paradigm, it's over.

00:27:09.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:27:11.000 I mean, Obama, hell on earth is about to be released.

00:27:14.000 So it's important to go look for those folks that are running for office, not getting the kind of attention that obviously the presidential candidates will, who do show that they have some understanding and gumption.

00:27:27.000 Look, Republicans need to run from George Bush and run to Ron Paul.

00:27:31.000 They will get elected if they say, look, we are the real third party.

00:27:35.000 We are the real patriots.

00:27:37.000 They've got to explain that to people.

00:27:39.000 Because conservatives, we're a conservative nation, a patriotic nation, a Bill of Rights nation, but only if it's a real party, only if it's a real candidate.

00:27:49.000 Sure.

00:27:50.000 In fact, the conservatives that have been active in the Republican Party often refer to themselves as the Republican wing of the Republican Party, which is a reference to the fact that there's so many of these Rockefeller socialist types that call themselves Republican, but have no intention whatsoever of doing anything except opposing the Republican agenda.

00:28:10.000 Sandra in California, you're on the air, go ahead.

00:28:16.000 Thank you.

00:28:17.000 Larry, I spoke to your secretary yesterday, because you weren't in your office, about a very disturbing email that was dated June 19th.

00:28:25.000 It basically says, this morning, the members of the Alabama Free Militia We're arrested and disarmed by the ATF.

00:28:31.000 Their arsenal will be destroyed on TV.

00:28:36.000 All members... Oh yeah, listen, listen, listen.

00:28:38.000 They're raiding guys that have 20 guns, calling it an arsenal now and arresting them for it in states like Indiana where it's legal.

00:28:45.000 Larry Pratt?

00:28:45.000 That's right out of Sarah Brady.

00:28:47.000 She wanted to have and still would like us to have to pay a tax for having an arsenal. 1.00

00:28:53.000 And I believe in her mind, five or seven guns was an arsenal.

00:28:57.000 So, yeah, you're absolutely right, Alex.

00:28:59.000 Twenty guns, oh my goodness.

00:29:01.000 Whoever would need that many guns, as they say.

00:29:04.000 Who would want to... Well, listen, I'm talking to a lot of veterans, famous former UT football players, you name it.

00:29:11.000 They're not even allowed to buy guns anymore.

00:29:13.000 A guy went to McBride's, he has no criminal record, and they said, well, the police are going to come to your house, they say you've got an arsenal, they've got a record, you've bought a bunch of guns lately.

00:29:22.000 And you're not supposed to have them because the Veterans Disarmament Act says you can't.

00:29:27.000 Well, that was the thing.

00:29:28.000 They said, well, you're a veteran, so we're going to take your guns.

00:29:31.000 Very nice.

00:29:32.000 You fight for the country so they can take your guns.

00:29:34.000 Anything else, Sandra?

00:29:35.000 No, I just, I forwarded this email to Larry and I just wanted to see if he got it and if this was true.

00:29:41.000 Okay.

00:29:42.000 We're on the march.

00:29:43.000 The Empire is on the way.

00:29:44.000 Let's keep talking about Larry.

00:29:45.000 Go ahead and get Zelman.

00:29:47.000 Larry, I don't want to waste any time.

00:29:49.000 We're on the PrisonPlanet.tv cast, so behind the scenes we're doing this live on the web, too, for tens of thousands.

00:29:54.000 That's great.

00:29:56.000 Yeah, were you familiar, because I'm seeing this, where they're raiding like a neighbor.

00:30:00.000 I saw an Indiana case, I saw an Oklahoma case.

00:30:02.000 They'll be playing poker next door and say, yeah, we may have a depression, buy guns and storable food, and the people think, oh, that's terrorism, because they've seen that on TV and in the sitcoms and dramas.

00:30:16.000 In movies, where they equate survivalism, a bunch of guns, with being a terrorist, and then the cops go ahead and raid him and arrest him and say, well, he wasn't doing anything illegal, but we went ahead and took all his guns and we're not going to give them back.

00:30:28.000 I mean, I know you're seeing those cases, and then I know people now who are veterans, or their dad was a veteran, and they have the same name, and they don't even have post-traumatic stress, and they're just saying, well, it shows you bought five guns this year.

00:30:44.000 And yeah, I bought a bunch of new shotguns for duck hunting, and they go, well, the guy on the phone said they're going to come to your house.

00:30:51.000 I mean, it's getting bad, Larry.

00:30:53.000 Are you getting the same reports?

00:30:55.000 Well, the report out of Greensburg, Kansas, for example, is very chilling, and apparently they've been doing some of the same gun confiscation door-to-door, not only that they did in New Orleans and in Greensburg, There's some indication that they've been doing the same thing in Iowa and perhaps other cities that get little towns that get shut down.

00:31:14.000 I was about to say I have actual newscasts.

00:31:16.000 I found them where it said they're going door-to-door and taking the guns.

00:31:19.000 It's just out of control and these are states that still haven't passed laws that are needed.

00:31:26.000 Utah's got the best state law.

00:31:27.000 It's like the federal law.

00:31:28.000 It says if one of these officers takes your gun and you're not being arrested for committing a real crime, Then you can sue him personally and he can't have the department... But why are the cops going in everybody's houses with pleasure and taking guns?

00:31:44.000 They're so evil!

00:31:46.000 Because there's no consequence and obviously if you say well it's illegal they don't care because they know that they won't be prosecuted.

00:31:52.000 But how did they get the cops to be like this?

00:31:55.000 Well part of the problem I think is the training that they get.

00:31:59.000 I know that in most states when you're elected sheriff The first thing, by custom or by law, that you do is to go to Quantico and get a training session or two at the FBI operation.

00:32:14.000 It was the FBI who led the gun confiscation in New Orleans!

00:32:18.000 Along with federal marshals and the National Guard and the California Highway Patrol.

00:32:25.000 Folks that, when they come back as sheriffs, and they think, well, gee, you know, the feds really got all these neat toys, and they really know how to do things.

00:32:34.000 It's just, oh, it's like being in the army.

00:32:37.000 And, of course, the thing is, there's nobody shooting back at you in this little war game.

00:32:42.000 It's not like being in the army.

00:32:43.000 And they're waging war against the people.

00:32:45.000 Larry Pratt, stay there.

00:32:46.000 We're coming back right now.

00:32:47.000 We got Aaron Zellman.

00:32:48.000 He's all set.

00:32:49.000 Then Charles Bobby.

00:32:52.000 No, Bobby.

00:32:53.000 Charles in Louisiana, Fred in Philly, Scott in Colorado, Wilson in Florida, and then... Scott in Colorado?

00:33:00.000 Yep, Scott in Colorado, Wilson in Florida.

00:33:02.000 That's good, let's go.

00:33:03.000 Okay.

00:33:03.000 There's too many of you crying.

00:33:07.000 Brother, brother, brother.

00:33:12.000 I'm just here shaking my head.

00:33:15.000 There's too many of you dying.

00:33:17.000 They're up there in the flood areas, in houses that are even in dry areas, ordering evacuations, and then they go in your house and they bring cameras and they break in the door and take your guns out of your house.

00:33:29.000 You never get them back.

00:33:31.000 Citizens that are caught driving around the streets, they run up and aim guns at you and pull you out.

00:33:35.000 Just any excuse to go crazy on us.

00:33:37.000 The Supreme Court's about to rule that they can restrict our Second Amendment.

00:33:40.000 It'll be hailed as a victory by the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing NRA.

00:33:45.000 All over the country, they don't let you videotape or talk to people on the street.

00:33:48.000 Cops come up and fill out reports on you videotaping.

00:33:51.000 I mean, it's like East Germany.

00:33:54.000 We have Larry Pratt on with us.

00:33:55.000 We're also going to have Aaron Zellman on with us for the rest of this hour and take some of your Your phone calls, the police have been brainwashed that gun confiscation is good.

00:34:08.000 They're trained by the FBI at Quantico.

00:34:10.000 Your local police are.

00:34:13.000 They are treating us like we're the enemy and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

00:34:19.000 It just gets worse and worse and worse and worse by the minute.

00:34:26.000 Aaron Zellman Every time there's a disaster, the first priority is getting our guns, not giving us aid.

00:34:34.000 This is a rogue government.

00:34:35.000 What do we do?

00:34:37.000 Well, I think the first thing you can do, Alex, is spread the word.

00:34:40.000 I mean, more people need to know what's wrong in the country.

00:34:45.000 More people need to know that this situation could be on their doorstep someday.

00:34:52.000 Well, that was my other point.

00:34:52.000 The first thing we have to do is really wake people up.

00:34:59.000 I wanted to ask you this question too, and of Larry, and then we'll take some calls and talk about the Supreme Court ruling.

00:35:03.000 Aaron Zellman, the Director of Preservation of Firearms Ownership, JPFO.org, links to it up on InfoWars.

00:35:11.000 There's so many evil things, I can't pile them all on.

00:35:14.000 I'm not overstating the case.

00:35:15.000 As you know, from Dallas, Texas to Tucson, Arizona, To Denver, to Boston, to New York, to D.C., to Miami.

00:35:23.000 The police now come and demand Oakland to come in and search for illegal guns.

00:35:28.000 Knock and talk is where they say, let me in, I want to check your guns in areas where guns are still legal. 0.99

00:35:33.000 Where they're restricted, like New York, they demand to come in.

00:35:37.000 Now, in Texas, in Ohio, in Indiana, in New York, they quote, check your lock and come in.

00:35:44.000 I mean, Aaron Zellman, don't these police know that this is classical tyranny?

00:35:53.000 Well, they may know it, but again, you have to remember that we're no longer a nation that has peace officers.

00:35:59.000 We're now a nation that has law enforcement officers.

00:36:04.000 I'm not concerned about keeping the peace as much as they are about enforcing any law they're ordered to enforce.

00:36:12.000 So tyranny is something that really means very little to them.

00:36:16.000 And it will simply tell you, we're just doing our job.

00:36:24.000 And that's their attitude.

00:36:25.000 Which we've heard before, that just doing our job.

00:36:28.000 That went down in Nuremberg, where Nazis kept saying, we're just doing our job, just following orders.

00:36:34.000 And that's what a lot of police officers are doing today, just following orders.

00:36:39.000 So, you don't have to look too far to find an enemy.

00:36:41.000 Well, I think it's a cop-out with many when they say, oh, I'm just going to shoot them when they come for my guns, and then they do, and you get SWAT teamed, and that's the end of it.

00:36:50.000 But, I mean, it's not a cop-out when Larry Pratt puts that in a brief to the Supreme Court that it's going to lead to a shooting war, and I think it really is going to lead to that.

00:37:02.000 Your comments on that, Aaron Selman, and then Larry Pratt.

00:37:05.000 Well, I noticed in a brief that we submitted to the Supreme Court, which is on the front page of our website, JPFO.org, we made it very clear that an armed citizen re-existed to defend itself against the government-gone-bad tyranny.

00:37:20.000 And I'm suspecting, this is speculation of course, but tomorrow or Thursday, when we assume we're going to hear Supremes are going to come down from the mountaintop and pronounce what they think, it's going to be a situation where they're going to ignore an armed citizen as a reason to be armed.

00:37:38.000 And they probably will say that some of the fact, well, yeah, Dick Heller has a right to carry a gun inside his broom closet, inside his apartment, and that gun control schemes, as long as they're reasonable, are certainly enforceable.

00:37:54.000 And I think that we're going to have a real battle on our hands determining what is reasonable from now on.

00:38:02.000 And I think that we are going to see this week, unless I am really surprised and shocked to the extreme, that the battle is going to start now, the battle in real earnest.

00:38:16.000 By the gun haters, by the state, to destroy gun ownership in America.

00:38:16.000 This is it.

00:38:22.000 I tell you, just one more thing before I forget.

00:38:22.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:38:24.000 This is really a double-edged sword, because if they say, well, okay, reasonable regulation is okay for the Second Amendment, which is a right, And of course the door is wide open for all other rights.

00:38:35.000 Oh, that is so key.

00:38:38.000 And they are attacking the Fourth Amendment, the First Amendment.

00:38:41.000 Larry Pratt comments on that key point that Aaron Zellman just made.

00:38:45.000 I think he puts it very well, that the only thing we don't know is how much infringement do they think they can infringe and get away with it.

00:38:54.000 My guess is they're going to assume that they can get away with quite a bit because they've been educating us To accept the notion that anything the government says, anything, is the law because, quote, the government is the sovereign, which is exactly wrong.

00:39:10.000 The people are the sovereign.

00:39:11.000 We tell the government what to do.

00:39:14.000 That's why we have a Constitution that tells them the few things they can do and all the other things that they cannot do.

00:39:20.000 And you can look in vain in the Constitution to see any place for the regulation of guns, and you just aren't going to find it.

00:39:29.000 But they're going to find it because they're going to operate under the notion that they are the Constitution.

00:39:35.000 That every time they meet, there's a constitutional convention taking place.

00:39:40.000 And aren't we lucky that we have a Constitution that can keep up with the times.

00:39:45.000 What about the militia question?

00:39:47.000 They're also going to rule on that.

00:39:49.000 We didn't have a National Guard until after 1900.

00:39:52.000 All the Federalist Papers, all the debates say it's the independent citizens and that it's there to defend against a central government, mainly criminals secondarily.

00:40:01.000 That was the opinion of Judge Lawrence Silberman at the D.C.

00:40:06.000 Court of Appeals.

00:40:08.000 His was an excellent decision, and he did a very good job on this concept of militia.

00:40:13.000 But again, I think if you assume that you can infringe, then, hey, if you've got an individual right, but we can infringe it, what does that really mean?

00:40:21.000 Well, it means whatever we might believe before breakfast, and as Humpty Dumpty said, I can believe eight different things!

00:40:27.000 Well, I want to point something out here.

00:40:30.000 This isn't a joke, folks.

00:40:32.000 They aren't just going to take the guns and be friendly. 0.97

00:40:34.000 They want this because they're going to rape the hell out of us. 1.00

00:40:37.000 And you can make no mistake, this government is mad dog evil. 0.99

00:40:40.000 It isn't about George Bush or Barack Obama.

00:40:42.000 It's all run by the same global corporate interests that want to be able to loot this nation of its capital, for its young men and women, for the military.

00:40:49.000 They want full control.

00:40:51.000 They're not backing off.

00:40:52.000 And Aaron Zellman, I want to ask you both this, then we're going to take calls.

00:40:56.000 This country started over them coming to take the guns.

00:40:58.000 That was it. 0.98

00:40:59.000 The raping the daughters, the taxes, the stealing, the guys in red coats beating people up and swaggering and being arrogant. 0.98

00:41:08.000 grabbing people off the beach and pressing them into the British Navy as slaves, white slaves, folks, which you never hear about in the news, because they want to make it a racial thing. 0.98

00:41:16.000 They never want that known.

00:41:19.000 And bottom line, I mean, I don't see anything else happening but that it's going to go ahead and lead into armed revolt, and they're going to call people terrorists.

00:41:28.000 Aaron Zellman.

00:41:29.000 Well, you may be right on that, Alex.

00:41:32.000 And, you know, before we, I want to remind people of something I've been telling folks for years on your show.

00:41:37.000 So, simply put, master the art of long-range rifle shooting.

00:41:42.000 And we'll let someone else peel the onion on that.

00:41:46.000 But you're right.

00:41:47.000 In other words, the government is hell-bent to have all the power.

00:41:54.000 And I will tell people, if they're able to obtain complete ownership of firearms, so the American people are disarmed, you will see a draft come about, drafting people for foreign wars and adventures.

00:42:07.000 The likes of which you can't even imagine.

00:42:10.000 So there's a lot of serious issues that are about to explode in this country if the American people are disarmed.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, tyranny's on the move.

00:42:19.000 Larry Pratt?

00:42:20.000 Well, Alex, I guess there's at least one difference between the Revolutionary War era picture that you've just painted and today, and that is that those who are working to take over our freedoms today don't wear red coats.

00:42:37.000 Exactly, but I mean, how can the BATF, how can the police not know they're in the wrong?

00:42:43.000 Well, to a certain extent, I think because the law of God's written on all of our hearts, they know that.

00:42:48.000 But secondarily, there's a lot of willful denial and there's a lot of educated ignorance.

00:42:56.000 They're going through schools that are telling them that the government is sovereign, and we've got people coming out of schools that can't wait to vote away their freedoms.

00:43:05.000 That's what the Founders kept saying, is that don't try to invent, don't try to twist what lawyers speak, what this says.

00:43:11.000 It's very clear, it's to defend against government tyranny, it's an absolute individual right.

00:43:15.000 I mean, how can the Supreme Court ignore what the Founders said? 0.99

00:43:18.000 The Founders said, anybody who tries to put a lien on this, tries to infringe on this, wage war against them, kill them!

00:43:26.000 Well, they feel that they can get away with it, and frankly, they have been getting away with it for a long, long time.

00:43:33.000 They treat the Constitution with utter contempt Properly understood, they are under the Constitution.

00:43:41.000 As they understand it, they are the Constitution.

00:43:44.000 Well, we're going to beat them this way, and I'm going to tell all the listeners this, and I want to get both your take on this, and we will take calls.

00:43:48.000 Go to GunOwnersOfAmerica.org, JPFO.org, join both groups, buy their books or videos, educate everybody, put them on AXS TV, get the word out, have local groups, because this is life and death. 0.66

00:44:00.000 Take two or three neighbors out a year, bare minimum.

00:44:03.000 Teach them how to shoot.

00:44:04.000 Teach them the love of that.

00:44:05.000 Then get them to be activists.

00:44:07.000 That's why I think we're going to win.

00:44:08.000 Because I've seen an awakening, a love of the Second Amendment.

00:44:12.000 All the liberals I know in Austin have woken up.

00:44:14.000 They hate both parties now.

00:44:16.000 They're buying guns.

00:44:17.000 I mean, for five, six years.

00:44:19.000 Are you not seeing Aaron Zellman and Larry Pratt?

00:44:21.000 A huge awakening to government tyranny.

00:44:24.000 And now liberals, I mean grassroots, not the big ones, are now converting to freedom.

00:44:31.000 Well, if I can go first on this, Larry.

00:44:33.000 What I see is a grassroots awakening, not just for Second Amendment issues, but the war on drugs, the Internal Revenue Service, OSHA, all of these government agencies that are dead, that really are a bunch of jackbooted thugs, to put it simply.

00:44:51.000 And so it is their kind of tyranny that is awakening millions and millions of people.

00:44:57.000 Many people have to realize you can't just man the barricades.

00:45:00.000 You've got to be in a situation where you're not going nose-to-nose with evil.

00:45:06.000 Because evil will be better armed and equipped with your tax dollars, by the way.

00:45:11.000 However, the American people are financing their own destruction through the tax system. 0.69

00:45:18.000 One of the hopeful signs that I've seen at Gun Owners of America is, well, to give you an example, I went out to speak to a local university And among the students who were there, and there were a number of students, there were several of them who were already members of Gun Owners of America.

00:45:35.000 So we're not just dealing with people in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.

00:45:41.000 We have members of that age.

00:45:42.000 But I'm quite aware of a large number, and I believe it's a growing number, of Very young people who, just like Aaron said, they get it.

00:45:52.000 Well, I know that when my grandfathers went to World War II, they were told things in boot camp and given manuals about, you're going because the Nazis want to take your property rights, your free speech, and your guns.

00:46:02.000 Or, we're fighting the Soviets because they want your free speech and your guns. 0.72

00:46:05.000 And then now the government's attacking all that.

00:46:07.000 They are the bad guys.

00:46:09.000 Period!

00:46:11.000 They've gotten their role just a little bit confused, but then, after all, they've been allowed to think that they are the sovereigns for a long time.

00:46:19.000 Not too surprising that they act this way.

00:46:21.000 Absolutely.

00:46:22.000 Let's take some calls.

00:46:22.000 Charles in Louisiana.

00:46:24.000 You're on the air with Aaron Zellman of Jews in Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and Larry Pratt, two of the best fighters for the Second Amendment out there.

00:46:31.000 Well, you know, how you been doing, Mr. Jones?

00:46:34.000 Mr. Pratt, I was in gun confiscation in New Orleans, and when I seen in New Orleans, I seen one old woman come up to the door with a gun and a knife and they arrested her.

00:46:45.000 And that's the only resistance New Orleans had.

00:46:48.000 It was so terrible, now I was mad, but now I laugh at the people.

00:46:52.000 They're so, they toast.

00:46:55.000 American people are toast. 1.00

00:46:56.000 You can't make them fight.

00:46:57.000 They don't believe in nothing.

00:46:59.000 All they want is football games and drugs.

00:47:01.000 I don't believe the American people will ever fight. 0.75

00:47:04.000 I think they finished, and they know they finished, because we have let this government make us domestic cowards.

00:47:10.000 Well, that's certainly been the hope and the policy I would submit, especially the schools, certainly the entertainment industry, and the government supports that notion very handsomely, but I don't know that they've necessarily succeeded yet.

00:47:26.000 I think we'd be foolish to to deny that what you've just described is a real big problem.

00:47:32.000 Now let me chime in.

00:47:33.000 We've got a tough road to go up, but the good news is it's always darkest before the dawn.

00:47:38.000 Are there a bunch of decadent saps?

00:47:40.000 Yes.

00:47:40.000 I mean, we had that 230 years ago.

00:47:43.000 It was 4%, really 2% started the war, 4% to 5% won it.

00:47:47.000 And we've got more than 5%.

00:47:48.000 We've still got a lot of good people.

00:47:50.000 We've got good people in government.

00:47:52.000 I mean, look, 75% of the Republican donations were to Ron Paul.

00:47:56.000 And I'm telling you, I'm not being a cheerleader here.

00:47:58.000 I'm seeing an explosive awakening.

00:48:01.000 That's why the government's moving against us.

00:48:02.000 Aaron Zellman?

00:48:04.000 Well, I think you have a point there, Alex.

00:48:07.000 Before I forget, you were mentioning about World War II and the films they showed people.

00:48:12.000 If people have a chance to get a hold of a series of films called Why We Fight, which was Uh, created during World War II.

00:48:20.000 Uh, it helps people better understand why the people should fight to preserve American values.

00:48:27.000 And these films were shown to the American people and, of course, the people in the military.

00:48:31.000 And it, uh, it created a demand, a groundswell in America to preserve freedom.

00:48:38.000 And so if you have a chance to get a hold of these films called Why We Fight, uh, most of them, they're very, they're very cheap, they're available, and some of them may even be on YouTube.

00:48:48.000 At any rate, to go to your next question, I think that there may be an awakening out there.

00:48:53.000 I don't see that that much.

00:48:55.000 I think there may be an awakening by some people, but I don't see a lot of gun owners waking up.

00:49:01.000 I see a lot of gun owners still thinking, well, things are going to be okay.

00:49:05.000 They couldn't do this.

00:49:06.000 It couldn't happen here.

00:49:07.000 They're not going to take my shotgun and all the rest of that nonsense.

00:49:11.000 And finally, I know that I want to make sure that everyone understands Larry's not joining in with me when I say this.

00:49:18.000 But I've got a real gripe with the National Rifle Association, because they still do not want to abolish the ATF.

00:49:26.000 They had the chance many years ago, they took a pass on it, and because of their compromising today, they're innocent gun owners, like Dave Oleson, going to prison.

00:49:37.000 Well, Aaron Zellman, I don't want to disagree with you, but it's not compromise.

00:49:40.000 Compromise is if they give up something and we give up something.

00:49:44.000 We always give in and they always push us over the cliff.

00:49:48.000 I'm afraid that's accurate.

00:49:49.000 I'll accept that.

00:49:51.000 It's not compromising.

00:49:53.000 It's Benedict Arnold behavior.

00:49:54.000 But Alex, I think your point that you made a minute ago needs to be kept in mind because we can easily focus on the enormous number of bad things that are happening and forget that it looked at least that grim.

00:50:07.000 When the men signed the Declaration of Independence, They had a kind of scaffold humor as they were signing it, joking with each other.

00:50:16.000 Well, I'm signing my death certificate.

00:50:18.000 They knew that... Well, that's what signinger John Hancock meant.

00:50:21.000 He said, they said, you know, we're going to get killed for this.

00:50:23.000 He said, well, good.

00:50:24.000 Let my name be the biggest.

00:50:25.000 Go ahead.

00:50:26.000 Sorry, Larry.

00:50:27.000 The point is, majorities don't make history, it's minorities that do. 1.00

00:50:30.000 They were what, 56 men?

00:50:32.000 Well, I'm going to say this right now.

00:50:34.000 I don't want to die, but I am ready to die for this.

00:50:36.000 And I am not backing down, and I'm not stopping.

00:50:39.000 I'm going to talk during the break with both of you for the internet cast.

00:50:41.000 We're going to continue to take calls on the main side of the main radio program.

00:50:44.000 Stay with us.

00:50:48.000 Okay, going back to Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman.

00:50:51.000 Yeah, we're all on the same page.

00:50:53.000 It's going to be horrible.

00:50:54.000 When is this ruling going to come out?

00:50:55.000 Normally they do it within a day or so.

00:50:58.000 Is that more ominous that they haven't announced yet?

00:51:01.000 Well, it's either going to be today or Thursday, as I understand.

00:51:05.000 And it could be two different reasons.

00:51:09.000 They're going to do something that will be so controversial, they want to be out of town, so they're not going to be reachable.

00:51:14.000 Or they're planning a state shooting, to coincide with it.

00:51:18.000 Well, it could be.

00:51:20.000 Anything's possible.

00:51:22.000 We are dealing with the federal government, who has proven not to be our friend, for the most part.

00:51:29.000 It's really hard to second guess why they're taking so long to do this, other than, as I have joked, they may have a Hollywood agent who's telling them, Well, our attorneys had indicated they thought it more likely than not that this would be one of the, if not the, last decision Handed down, which means even perhaps next Monday.

00:51:54.000 But part of the reason is simply that they know this is a really big one, and unlike even the abortion decision where the dead babies can't shoot back, there is the risk that a place like Montana might just Go ballistic, you know, and say we're not going to play this game anymore.

00:52:15.000 I think we need to call for the states to secede and reform the union if this happens.

00:52:19.000 I'm not kidding.

00:52:20.000 I mean, we need to get serious.

00:52:22.000 I think the key here is to let everybody know that when they trumpet this is a victory for the Second Amendment, that that is a cruel hoax.

00:52:28.000 And then I think it's time to really call for impeachment of the Supreme Court.

00:52:34.000 Larry, Aaron, what do you think?

00:52:36.000 Well, impeachment of the Supreme Court would be something long overdue.

00:52:41.000 Along with a lot of the other judges.

00:52:43.000 Something that would be legislatively at least conceivable would be legislation stripping their authority in huge areas where the Constitution doesn't give them the authority and just pull out these cases so they never even get into federal court to begin with.

00:53:00.000 That can be done.

00:53:00.000 Yeah, then you've got the danger of the other tyrannies rising and the other agencies.

00:53:04.000 Well, Alex, if I can just address that for a moment, if we have a moment.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:53:08.000 I still believe, and that's one of the reasons I started this program called TakeYourMoneyBack.com, if we want to end tyranny in America, we have to end the cash flow to the government.

00:53:19.000 You know, Jack Buddha thugs will not work for free. 1.00

00:53:23.000 And if there's no money to pay them, there's no money to finance their agencies, That's probably the best way, the most effective way to end all this crazy... No, I agree, but Ron Paul says we don't even have to do it, because they're going to bankrupt everything before it happens, and that may actually stop them.

00:53:40.000 We're going to come back in the final segment.

00:53:41.000 Is Charles gone, John?

00:53:43.000 Yes, he dropped off.

00:53:44.000 Alright, I appreciate his call.

00:53:45.000 I only have time for two more.

00:53:46.000 What, Fred in Philly?

00:53:49.000 And Scott in Colorado.

00:53:50.000 Alright, that's it.

00:53:50.000 Okay, here we go.

00:53:51.000 Okay.

00:53:51.000 The Global Corporate Crime Syndicate fully controls our federal government.

00:53:59.000 They're moving against the people.

00:54:00.000 They know we know they're criminals.

00:54:01.000 That's why they're bringing in the police state. 0.57

00:54:03.000 God help us.

00:54:04.000 To every good person in government, please stand with us.

00:54:08.000 Choose which side you're on.

00:54:10.000 Now.

00:54:12.000 This is life and death.

00:54:13.000 Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman.

00:54:14.000 I'll be popping back in with us this week if they can.

00:54:16.000 We can hear the ruling today.

00:54:18.000 Tomorrow it could be as late as next Monday.

00:54:19.000 Zellman thinks Thursday.

00:54:21.000 Pratt's saying his lawyers are saying it could be as late as Monday.

00:54:25.000 Very ominous.

00:54:27.000 JPFO.org, Gun Owners of America, GunOwners.org.

00:54:30.000 Join them both, support them.

00:54:32.000 Join the InfoWar today, folks.

00:54:34.000 This isn't a joke, okay?

00:54:35.000 A lot of you hate guns because you were never brought up around them, you don't understand.

00:54:38.000 Let me just give you a newsflash.

00:54:39.000 Hitler was for gun control, the Ku Klux Klan was. 0.92

00:54:43.000 Slaves are disarmed, okay?

00:54:45.000 Let me give you a newsflash.

00:54:46.000 Slaves in Rome were disarmed. 0.69

00:54:48.000 This is about your enslavement.

00:54:51.000 And, my God, it's just unbelievable.

00:54:54.000 Let's go ahead and Talk to Fred in Philly and then Scott in California.

00:54:59.000 Last callers, quickly, go ahead.

00:55:00.000 Okay, Alex?

00:55:02.000 Yes.

00:55:04.000 I just want to say that you're doing a great job, and the thing to remember is that this is an inalienable right, and it existed even before you had our present Constitution.

00:55:18.000 The Declaration of Independence states that.

00:55:20.000 It's an organic right that comes from your being a free human creature, exactly.

00:55:26.000 And the other thing is that Justice Breyer has been putting on complete fallacious reasoning because he says that should no locale have the right to Restrict firearms, and it's not the locale that has the right.

00:55:44.000 It's only the individual that has that God-given right.

00:55:47.000 And they all know that. 0.88

00:55:48.000 Those arch crooks all know it. 1.00

00:55:50.000 They were made Supreme Court justices because they're whores. 1.00

00:55:52.000 They're political pimps. 1.00

00:55:54.000 I appreciate your call.

00:55:55.000 Comments on that, Larry and Aaron.

00:55:57.000 Well, it's hard to argue with the fact that it isn't an alienable Right.

00:56:03.000 It's the way God made us.

00:56:05.000 He didn't give us the gift of life so that we could throw it away to crooks and to tyrants.

00:56:10.000 Period.

00:56:11.000 Humans have always fought.

00:56:12.000 We've always had tools and weapons.

00:56:14.000 Let me just share a thought with you very quickly from a Jewish perspective concerning defending your life.

00:56:21.000 There's a quote from the Talmud. 0.98

00:56:23.000 It says, if a man comes to kill you, arise quickly and kill him. 0.74

00:56:28.000 And I think Americans need to understand that quote fully. 0.97

00:56:32.000 They have to think about it, and think about it, and then be ready to act.

00:56:36.000 Well, it's common sense.

00:56:38.000 And when you have a nation of people that are wimps, the tyrants will come.

00:56:42.000 When you've got a nation of people ready to fight to the death, you have liberty.

00:56:45.000 I can't believe this is happening.

00:56:50.000 At times like this, I can't even have composure, folks.

00:56:53.000 Scott in California, final caller, go ahead.

00:56:56.000 Yeah, you're looking for Scott in Colorado?

00:56:58.000 Okay, Colorado.

00:56:59.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:56:59.000 Hey, Alex, how you doing?

00:57:01.000 Larry and Aaron.

00:57:03.000 Hey, real quick, what is the definition of a well-organized militia?

00:57:07.000 Well, that's something that George Mason coined.

00:57:10.000 It was a term that he began to use in 1775 in the face of growing British oppression, not only closing down legislatures but making it illegal for militias to meet, banning the importation of guns,

00:57:28.000 The colonists were coming upon a very difficult time in defending themselves, and to distinguish then from what the Brits were trying to do in this particular case to the militia, Mason coined the term of a well-regulated militia, which would be the embodiment of the power of the people.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, regulated just means every town's got a bunch of people armed and trained, but directed by the locals.

00:57:52.000 Train being the key element in the word, and as you say, by locals, these things were under government authority, under municipal authority of the people there on the ground.

00:58:03.000 Yes, we're out of time.

00:58:04.000 We'll check in with Aaron Zellman, JPFO.org, GunOwners.org, with Larry Pratt.

00:58:09.000 Thank you, men.

00:58:10.000 We appreciate you.

00:58:11.000 God bless.

00:58:12.000 Take care, Alec.

00:58:14.000 All right.

00:58:14.000 Thank you.

00:58:15.000 We'll talk to those guys as this ruling comes out.

00:58:17.000 Thank you.

00:58:18.000 We're out of time, ladies and gentlemen.

00:58:19.000 Rebroadcast starts now at InfoWars.com.

00:58:22.000 Incredible interviews today.

00:58:24.000 They all restart on the internet streams only at InfoWars.com.

00:58:27.000 God bless you all.

00:58:28.000 See you back live tomorrow.

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Alex Jones Show - June 24, 2008

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