Alex Jones Show - 20080624_Tue_Radio

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00:00:38.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:00:43.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:47.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:01:00.000 We've got a huge broadcast lined up for you today.

00:01:04.000 Ray McGovern, top CIA analyst, morning briefer for Ronald Reagan, George Bush senior, battling lymphoma cancer, by the way.

00:01:13.000 He's going to be joining us, he said a few months ago on this show, a few weeks ago again on this show, that the Bush administration is planning to attack Iran in the next six to eight months.

00:01:25.000 And since he said that here, we have this headline.

00:01:28.000 Out of Reuters and other publications, Bolton, Israel will attack Iran before next president is sworn in.

00:01:39.000 Mossad's Dagan, an omen of war from Press TV. The Mossad chief is staying on an unprecedented another year, another sign of war, Israeli papers say.

00:01:48.000 Reuters also reporting aid is saying that there's a plot to kill Ahmed Denejid, thwarted at UN meeting, and that the U.S.

00:01:56.000 also tried, that is the private corporate interests that control the U.S., tried to kill him on his visit to Baghdad.

00:02:02.000 Israel is exercising for nuclear disaster with Iran. 0.82

00:02:07.000 Online Journal is reporting that, as well as the New York Times.

00:02:10.000 That is just some of the news on that front.

00:02:14.000 He will be joining us coming up in about 20 minutes.

00:02:19.000 you By the way, my producer thought, why not try to get the directors of HAARP on?

00:02:28.000 And so he called them up and he set up some of the different directors of separate HAARP programs to actually get their PR response to what HAARP, that big antenna array, is doing up in Alaska because Dr. Nick Baggage and many others have written books on the subject and gone back to some of the declassified documents from the 60s.

00:02:51.000 Some of the nefarious things, but we'll talk to them and get their perspective coming up in the second hour today.

00:03:04.000 A lot of the guests I think of, but sometimes Trey thinks of really great guests to get on, and that's certainly one of them.

00:03:11.000 He told me last week we're probably having some of the HAARP directors on, including the director of HAARP, and then voila, we'll see if they're here in one hour.

00:03:20.000 Also, there's lots of disinfo pieces like this one out of ABC News.

00:03:24.000 Something's fishy.

00:03:25.000 Experts say price of gas should be $2 a gallon, not $4. 0.60

00:03:30.000 Then they bumble around in this AP article that was posted on ABC News, and basically just put out a bunch of disinfo to the mindless, dumbed-down public.

00:03:43.000 Americans are furious about the high price of gas.

00:03:46.000 If you get too furious, have you noticed all the cops in black uniforms shoving you around, checkpoints, the cameras? 0.98

00:03:52.000 Go ahead, get furious, slaves. 1.00

00:03:55.000 Americans are furious about the high price of gas, and this isn't going to make you feel any better.

00:04:01.000 A number of oil industry experts told a congressional panel money that oil speculators are to blame for gasoline prices breaching dizzying records.

00:04:09.000 And yeah, 15-20% of it is speculation, driven By dollar devaluation, but the majority of it is just dollar devaluation on its face.

00:04:18.000 Absolute fact.

00:04:19.000 Everyone in the world knows, but the decadent, know-it-all slave population that's having eugenics operations carried out against it. 0.99

00:04:28.000 Just running around mindlessly, arrogantly.

00:04:32.000 I mean, they know the government's lying to them, but they don't have any idea just how bad and just how corrupt and bankrupt and evil the system is.

00:04:40.000 And so they'll be fed by the disinfo thing.

00:04:42.000 Oh, it's some shadowy speculators.

00:04:45.000 They did it.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

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00:04:54.000 And that's why they pay 23, 24 cents a gallon in Brazil.

00:04:58.000 And yeah, yeah.

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00:05:07.000 It's because we're schmucks. 1.00

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00:08:39.000 Music You know, I'm still looking and watching, and normally, the Supreme Court ruled several months ago on, and they admit they secretly ruled on the Second Amendment, And they always release it during the summer.

00:09:02.000 They had their meeting to, quote, release the cases.

00:09:06.000 Some of them were released, but I can't find their ruling on the Second Amendment.

00:09:11.000 Of course, we don't need them to rule on it.

00:09:13.000 We have past rulings saying it's an absolute individual right against tyranny in government and criminals on the street.

00:09:18.000 Everybody knows that.

00:09:21.000 Of course, everybody knew you didn't kill babies in the womb, but the Supreme Court said it was a good thing, and they're responsible for the murder of 50 million children.

00:09:28.000 But, uh, in Chile they turn mass murder into a privilege and a right. 0.69

00:09:35.000 So I'm watching and looking to see what happens there.

00:09:38.000 We have Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America, and Aaron Zellman, head of Jews Preservation of Firearms Ownership, joining us in the fourth hour today, and we should know what's happening by then.

00:09:47.000 It's very suspicious they haven't released it yet, and very ominous.

00:09:53.000 It's as if they don't want it to be noticed.

00:09:56.000 You watch, it'll be hailed as a pro-gun ruling and it won't be.

00:10:00.000 Ray McGovern joins us in 15 minutes.

00:10:03.000 Jim Bates, HAARP Program Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

00:10:09.000 Ed Kennedy, U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.

00:10:12.000 Dr. Paul Cossey, HAARP Program Manager for the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

00:10:18.000 That's who we've got.

00:10:19.000 All three of these guys on a conference call.

00:10:23.000 I guess from the Space Command Directorate, which is a smaller part of, coming on the next hour.

00:10:29.000 We'll see if they show up.

00:10:31.000 Then we've got, again, Larry Prattner and Zelman, as I mentioned, and we'll take some of your calls today as well.

00:10:39.000 I've got all this news about oil prices exploding.

00:10:42.000 I've got all this news about commodities exploding.

00:10:45.000 The dollar continuing to fall as the blind public, spiritually blind, psychologically blind, Intellectually blind, just stumble around like zombies, drooling, bumping into each other. 0.91

00:10:56.000 It's very painful.

00:10:58.000 Watch my fellow man, rendered intellectually defenseless, just giggling and smirking and stumbling around.

00:11:06.000 It's so simple, everything that's happening, and you just can't...

00:11:10.000 Even if you can wake them up...

00:11:12.000 You can wake them up to the fact they're under attack, but then they have no respect for themselves and don't think they can mobilize against the tyranny.

00:11:21.000 You've got all these evil people working for government, all these other people that rationalize the corruption they do, and the things they carry out for the global corporate slave system.

00:11:30.000 I mean, this morning, I'm pretty freaked out.

00:11:33.000 I was reading a newly declassified, leaked, similar to other declassified army field manuals, in COINTELPRO, in DISINFO, in torture death squads, And you can just see them doing it all here in the U.S., how they incrementally ratchet up the police state till the public's under total martial law, and how they're deploying this inside the U.S. I was reading that with horror for about 30 minutes this morning.

00:12:01.000 I could spend the next four hours on that alone.

00:12:05.000 Oh, God.

00:12:09.000 And then I was watching news videos.

00:12:12.000 As the local news said, it was good.

00:12:15.000 As they busted in houses at gunpoint, as they arrested people, as they took people out of their homes, uh, up in the Midwest where they've had some flooding, as they would just pull people over and run up and point guns to their heads, screaming at them.

00:12:28.000 Just, just lawless government letting you know you're a slave in your face.

00:12:33.000 This is martial law.

00:12:34.000 This is martial law.

00:12:42.000 There is just so much Going on and then I ran across This news here in my stack Dealing with Attacks on the First Amendment in this country and free speech in England and

00:13:13.000 I have experienced in New York City In Chicago.

00:13:18.000 In Austin, Texas.

00:13:22.000 In Washington, D.C. Did I mention in London?

00:13:31.000 What is in these stories?

00:13:36.000 Headline, The Register, The War on Photographers.

00:13:39.000 You're all Al Qaeda suspects now. 1.00

00:13:42.000 It's not an Alex Jones headline.

00:13:44.000 A Prison Planet headline.

00:13:45.000 Which have always been accurate.

00:13:47.000 It would seem shocking to some, but that's really what they say now.

00:13:51.000 Another one out of the Mail Online, where you have this gay man who writes for the paper, and he's out at an anti-war protest covering it, when Bush came to town in England a few weeks ago, last week.

00:14:15.000 He sees one of his buddies, one of his liaisons, and shoving people, trying to attack the police.

00:14:25.000 The guy's got a big camera taking photos of all the protesters while he's provocateuring.

00:14:29.000 Then the police go ahead and attack the crowd.

00:14:34.000 And the article kind of halfway defends in a sick way that this guy's out there provocateuring and talks about how handsome he is.

00:14:43.000 How handsome the Police captain in plain clothes is provocateuring.

00:14:50.000 See, it's just an acceptance of open evil.

00:14:53.000 Thank you.

00:14:58.000 And he walks up and he goes, oh, we're friends.

00:15:00.000 You're a police officer.

00:15:04.000 And then it just goes into all this sickening double think about, well, I guess provocateuring, you know, it's what they need to do.

00:15:14.000 I mean, you know how criminal the government is?

00:15:16.000 How criminal these police are?

00:15:19.000 When you've got thousands of people, peacefully, out there trying to protest Bush, and they've banned it in most areas of the city, and they're trying to get up to the barricades, miles away from Bush, and there's plain close cops running around, starting fights, shoving protesters, trying to get the protesters to attack the police.

00:15:39.000 And the cops all know what they're doing.

00:15:41.000 They want to attack freedom.

00:15:43.000 They want to suppress the people.

00:15:44.000 They are guilty of tyranny.

00:15:47.000 They are tyrants. 1.00

00:15:48.000 They are criminals. 1.00

00:15:49.000 They are the worst type of crooks. 0.97

00:15:53.000 And then I read this article out of the register, where mainline video people, mainline photographers, news people, Can just be out getting a shot for the news of street traffic, and the cops come over and seize their tapes, and there's no judge, no jury, no arrest. 0.92

00:16:07.000 They just hand them a terrorist form.

00:16:09.000 This happened to me.

00:16:10.000 The cops walk up and say, you can't videotape in London.

00:16:12.000 And I go, but I'm videotaping people coming out of the subway entrance.

00:16:16.000 Do you have a permit for that?

00:16:19.000 I go, there aren't permits for videotaping.

00:16:21.000 He goes, well, that's right, but turn your camera off or I'll arrest you.

00:16:26.000 And then I'm putting you in a database, and he took my ID, put me in a database, and I'm now listed as a potential terrorist.

00:16:34.000 Millions of Americans are listed.

00:16:36.000 Eight million Britons are listed.

00:16:38.000 And you try to talk to somebody on the street now, anywhere in England, the police walk over and say, okay, what are you talking about?

00:16:45.000 I need to file a report on...

00:16:46.000 I mean, that is classic secret police.

00:16:50.000 That is downtown Red Square, Moscow.

00:16:53.000 That is Beijing.

00:16:56.000 Outside the Forbidden City with the big portraits of Mao Zedong.

00:17:00.000 In fact, it's worse now in England and many cities in the U.S. than it is in Communist China today. 0.99

00:17:09.000 And folks, it isn't just Alex Jones.

00:17:11.000 I watched in D.C. on two different trips, two different days we spent there at Bilderberg, two of the five days we were there, I went and shot footage of just the landmarks, and I watched crowds of people, and I mean small crowds, Walking, you know, a hundred yards in front of the White House by a big park, and cops would just come over on a Segway and just yell at people and say, don't stand too long in front of that monument.

00:17:36.000 They've been told, prod us, boss us, let us know.

00:17:39.000 We have footage of this.

00:17:42.000 Footage of...

00:17:43.000 I mean, this country is a, is a dirt pit.

00:17:48.000 You understand, they don't treat you like that in Nicaragua.

00:17:51.000 The police don't treat you like that in El Salvador.

00:17:55.000 You understand, we're the worst of the worst.

00:18:01.000 Has nothing to do with terrorism.

00:18:03.000 They have been told.

00:18:03.000 I mean, I watched them boss black people around, white people around, Midwesterners, people from California.

00:18:09.000 I mean, just mixed crowds of people.

00:18:13.000 Just... Like Tony Montana says when the cops are interrogating him in Scarface, he goes, you want a Giovanno in every corner?

00:18:19.000 Watching what you do, telling you what to eat, what to sleep, you know, what to do, where to go.

00:18:23.000 I mean, this is, this is tyranny, folks.

00:18:26.000 When you can be a hundred yards down a grassy slope videotaping the Washington Monument, and three different agencies will come over to you and boss you around and ask why you're doing that, and they know there's no permit.

00:18:42.000 They know you, they know it's a no-permit city.

00:18:45.000 They just try to see what they can do.

00:18:47.000 Well, let me see what's on your camera.

00:18:48.000 And I'm just like, come on, man.

00:18:51.000 God, this is what you've done to America?

00:18:53.000 Then they'd have security guards come over then another police agency, but I why it wasn't just me it was families Families that bring their children to see the Washington Monument and a cop will come over and say with still cameras Why are you taking photos of that?

00:19:06.000 This is an induction into enslavement How can government agents listening say you're good?

00:19:13.000 You know this is for the people you know we're going into tyranny you know you've hired 26,000 preachers and a half a million truck drivers and 23,000 executives, all to be your secret police, and all over the country SWAT teams are training the local kids on how to use guns.

00:19:29.000 Guns are only good when it's in their hands against us, and how to tattle on their parents, and how to run checkpoints, and... 0.93

00:19:34.000 My God!

00:19:35.000 This is just Orwellian!

00:19:37.000 This is East Germany! 0.90

00:19:38.000 We are going into East Germany! 0.97

00:19:44.000 And I read...

00:19:46.000 This article, we got a link to it up on PrisonPlanet.com, but the headlines, the war on photographers, and it just gives all the mainline cases.

00:19:53.000 No due process, no judge, no jury, no law. 0.95

00:19:56.000 They're just criminal thugs! 0.96

00:19:59.000 And we've had them walk up to us in New York and say, Let me see what's on your camera. 0.99

00:20:04.000 I'm gonna take it.

00:20:05.000 A lot of times they go ahead and just take it.

00:20:07.000 And they'll hold your camera up and they go, you got a gun.

00:20:10.000 You were aiming a gun at me.

00:20:11.000 And the cop just smiles, man.

00:20:12.000 And I mean, it is classic, right out of every movie you saw about tyranny. 0.72

00:20:17.000 These are criminals.

00:20:18.000 These are gang members. 1.00

00:20:20.000 These are wicked, evil, hateful, bad cancer cells in the heart of our nation! 1.00

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00:24:47.000 Everybody knows it in their gut, even if they're not intellectually studying the geopolitical landscape.

00:24:53.000 I focus on the pain.

00:24:59.000 Ray McGovern is our guest.

00:25:00.000 We really are honored to have him for the next 35 minutes or so.

00:25:06.000 He came on a few weeks ago and said that they really are gearing up to attack Iran.

00:25:10.000 He doesn't know they're going to do it, but they intend to.

00:25:13.000 And now we have Bolton saying publicly to the press, to the UK's Telegraph, that there is a plan to have Israel attack Iran before The next president is sworn in.

00:25:31.000 Meanwhile, we have the corporate media finally reporting on the fact that the neocons, including McCain's advisor, are saying terror attacks would really help them and be a great thing.

00:25:42.000 So we'll talk about that as well with our guest, Ray McGovern.

00:25:47.000 Mr. McGovern, can you break down the latest developments on the Iran front?

00:25:52.000 Well, yes, Alex.

00:25:54.000 It's very troubling indeed.

00:25:55.000 We have a whole series of indicators, much like the ones before the attack on Iraq, where it looks like the people running our policy...

00:26:05.000 Let me just get that off here.

00:26:08.000 Sorry. Our policy there toward Iran this time are the same foes that brought us Iraq. 1.00

00:26:20.000 They seem to be hell-bent on doing what they seem to have promised the Israelis they would do before they left office, and that leaves only six months.

00:26:30.000 And so we see Olmert and Bush huddling several times, and Olmert just seeming delighted at what Bush and he have worked out, mentioning operational details which are being now worked out by pilots and planners and so forth.

00:26:46.000 It looks very real.

00:26:47.000 The extraordinary thing here, Alex, is that it would become so inured, would become so accustomed to talking about, well, when will we start the next war, that American people don't seem to realize the gravity of the situation here.

00:27:08.000 Not only in terms of, you know, starting a war here and there willy-nilly, but in this case, We're starting a war against a formidable opponent in which we cannot win.

00:27:19.000 I mean, we just cannot win this one.

00:27:22.000 And if we start bombing Iran, the consequences will be, well, they'll be catastrophic. 0.98

00:27:28.000 What is it in the psychology, Ray McGovern?

00:27:30.000 I mean, you advise many presidents who are the morning braver for George Bush Sr. and are highly respected analysts, and all the other analysts are saying the same thing you're saying.

00:27:38.000 I mean, what is it about Napoleon having to attack Russia or Hitler?

00:27:41.000 Why do they always just have to push it, push it, push it?

00:27:44.000 Well, partly because they gather around themselves a group of little sycophants, a group of, you know, courtiers, who just kind of say, yes, Mr. President, yes, Mr. Emperor, or whatever.

00:27:59.000 And they don't question, they just kind of fall into lockstep.

00:28:05.000 You know, all you have to do is review what has happened to the institutions in this country, to include the senior military under Rumsfeld.

00:28:14.000 You'll see a thoroughly corrupted regime that sat around and helped Rumsfeld lie about torture and, you know, the destruction of the army in which I was proud to serve.

00:28:26.000 So you have a situation where not many people are standing up, and when you get somebody like Taguba, General Taguba, who did the only And as you probably know,

00:28:50.000 he came out last week with a prestigious international group, a medical association, and said war crimes have been committed premeditatedly, and that now the only question is, will these Yeah, and you know, I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but our founders, many of them from Virginia, where I'm from, had a very specific way of handling this kind of situation, and it's called impeachment.

00:29:19.000 It was mentioned in the Constitution six times.

00:29:24.000 The Democratic leadership, particularly John Conyers and the Judiciary Committee in the House, why they shy away, why they're so reluctant to fulfill their constitutional duty, is something that has me very, very outraged.

00:29:39.000 And what we need to do is have a grassroots movement to say, look, you know, there are so many crimes, high crimes and misdemeanors here.

00:29:48.000 The question is, Outrage fatigue.

00:29:51.000 Which ones do we pick?

00:29:55.000 Three did it for Nixon.

00:29:56.000 We have 35 from Kucinich on Bush.

00:30:00.000 Let's pick out three and go for it.

00:30:02.000 Okay, we have one of the senior CIA analysts for Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. on with us, Ray McGovern.

00:30:07.000 We're going to come back and go through the consequences for those that think this will be something to watch on TV, a new war.

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00:33:34.000 would you do if we knew all the things we knew?

00:33:39.000 Would you stand up for truth?

00:33:41.000 Or would you turn away too?

00:33:44.000 And then what if you saw all of the things that sprung?

00:33:49.000 Would you stand tall and strong?

00:33:52.000 Or would you turn away?

00:33:54.000 What would you do?

00:33:56.000 Ray McGovern's our guest for another 25 minutes or so.

00:34:00.000 The point he's making is that a lot of people who don't know how the world works, who haven't studied the basics, don't understand the magnitude ... of the fact that this war is already one of the main reasons you're paying $4.15 a gallon on average.

00:34:19.000 It's one reason our name is now absolutely hated.

00:34:22.000 We are seen as the old Soviet Union.

00:34:25.000 We're seen as the evil empire by the world.

00:34:30.000 And the elites here are showing the exact pattern that other elites have shown, the most virulent.

00:34:37.000 The Napoleons, the Hitlers, the...

00:34:40.000 Now say tongues the Joseph Stalin's very virulent The worst nightmare, I mean the worst scenario you can imagine the u.s.

00:34:50.000 Falling into the hands of absolute criminals the Democrats acquiescing because they're bought and paid for by the same power mad corporate interest And Ray McGovern's our guest to talk about not just what's currently happening in Iraq I want to get into that some with him and some new reports that have come out from the GAO, but of course what's happening?

00:35:10.000 In Iran and and what those consequences will be and now the fact that Israel the United States and others Especially Israel are saying we're doing nuclear attack drills.

00:35:22.000 We're doing emergency drills.

00:35:23.000 We're preparing to attack.

00:35:24.000 We're going to attack Bush met with us and he said he's going to attack he's going to support us and And so you've got that message in the international press than domestically They put out more disowned disinfo about we found Iraqi weapons that were given to him by the Iranians That's on the front page, then a week later it's in the back of the paper that it wasn't true.

00:35:44.000 Classic psyops.

00:35:45.000 Ray McGovern, break it down for us.

00:35:48.000 What we're facing, and hopefully how we can possibly stop this, but what those consequences will be.

00:35:56.000 Well, the consequences would be catastrophic.

00:35:59.000 It would make the situation in Iraq look like, you know, A woman's high school volleyball game. 0.74

00:36:08.000 The Iranians have an army, they have an air force, they have a navy.

00:36:15.000 They have everything that Iraq did not have, the prostrate as it was after the sanctions and after losing the Gulf War. 0.99

00:36:22.000 So they have all manner of ways to retaliate.

00:36:24.000 The thing that bothers me most, of course, as an Army officer, previous Army officer, is that they have the capability.

00:36:31.000 To cut our supply lines between Kuwait and Baghdad and take hostage several tens of thousands of troops.

00:36:40.000 This is a real deal.

00:36:42.000 What do you say then to the Commander-in-Chief?

00:36:45.000 What are we going to do?

00:36:46.000 Send more reinforcements?

00:36:49.000 Well, as you know, Alex, there aren't any reinforcements to send.

00:36:54.000 That's why there's no more surge.

00:36:56.000 They had to take those people out.

00:36:58.000 Well, what else we got?

00:36:59.000 Oh, we got these mini-nukes.

00:37:01.000 You know, that's what they're for.

00:37:02.000 And these people don't make any distinction between high-explosive weaponry and nuclear weaponry.

00:37:08.000 It's just incredible.

00:37:10.000 And so, this thing could escalate very, very quickly into a situation where we threaten the Iranians with the use of nuclear weapons. 0.82

00:37:18.000 And they have to deal with that, whether we make good on that threat or not, if, you know, even more More disturbing, but this could lead to that.

00:37:28.000 I'd be more interested in exploring how this thing could get underway.

00:37:34.000 The Iranians are no dopes.

00:37:36.000 They're not going to be provoked into doing a kind of attack on Israel or U.S. forces that would give us an excuse and the Israelis an excuse To really zap them. 0.69

00:37:50.000 And what I mean by really zap them is go after the lion's share of their nuclear-related activities in Iran. 0.87

00:37:58.000 And so what's likely to happen?

00:38:00.000 Well, I think more likely than anything would be the kind of what we call in the trade here, in the intelligence trade, a false flag attack.

00:38:08.000 OK? You get a boat all painted up with Iranian colors and you think a destroyer, a U.S. destroyer escorted in the Gulf.

00:38:17.000 Wow. Uh, you know, he killed a bunch of Americans. 0.69

00:38:21.000 Uh, that could set things off.

00:38:24.000 Now, who would do that?

00:38:25.000 Who has an interest?

00:38:26.000 Who would, uh, you know...

00:38:28.000 Cui bonum, we used to say.

00:38:29.000 Who would have an interest?

00:38:31.000 Who would profit from that kind of thing?

00:38:33.000 Well, it's very clear that the State of Israel would, because many of those, uh, extreme leaders think that they have to move against Iran before Bush leaves office.

00:38:43.000 And we know Israel has done a lot of false flags before.

00:38:46.000 That's declassified in public knowledge.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, and you know, most people don't realize that in 1967, they tried to sink the USS Liberty, killed 34 of our sailors, and wounded 172 of them.

00:39:00.000 And this was suppressed, and this was not investigated.

00:39:04.000 And now we finally have the death of one of the lawyers that was asked by LBJ to make it look like just a mistaken identity thing on the part of the Israelis.

00:39:14.000 We have the tapes, Alex.

00:39:15.000 We have the Israeli pilots saying, wait a second, there's an American flag?

00:39:20.000 That's an American ship! 0.97

00:39:21.000 Take it out anyway, you know?

00:39:23.000 So, you know, there's no question, but that was a deliberate attack.

00:39:28.000 And by the way, sir, now that that's come out in the last few months, Chicago Tribune has admitted neocons are on websites saying good, It was a greater sacrifice for Israel, and now they're saying Israel comes before the U.S., and that almost like our sailors needed to die, and that it was a good thing.

00:39:45.000 You know, it is really very, very strange.

00:39:49.000 I mean, you go back to George Washington and his warnings against a passionate attachment of one country, namely the U.S., to the perceived strategic needs of another.

00:40:01.000 And he warned that this is a very, very, very dangerous kind of phenomenon.

00:40:05.000 And, of course, it's playing out here over 200 years later.

00:40:09.000 The President is openly described by the fellow that I would describe as having the most experience of anyone in Washington.

00:40:20.000 That's General Brent Scowcroft, who was the National Security Advisor to the first President Bush.

00:40:26.000 He felt it necessary, while he was still serving as the younger Bush's chair, Of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, he felt it necessary to go to the Financial Times and say, you know, you should know that George W. Bush has been mesmerized by the Israeli then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, that Sharon has him wrapped around his little finger.

00:40:55.000 Now, you know, Alex, as an intelligence analyst, they're a very There are various degrees of reports that you give credibility to.

00:41:05.000 Well, you know, this is horse-mouth stuff.

00:41:07.000 This is Scowcroft watching what's going on in U.S. policy toward the Middle East, having a catbird seat with all the sensitive information.

00:41:16.000 Scowcroft, who is a consummate bureaucrat, would never say anything to the press that he hadn't darn well thought through.

00:41:24.000 Going to the Financial Times and telling them that this was a very dangerous situation, because for some reason or other, the Israelis seem to have our president mesmerized. 0.99

00:41:33.000 Now, why would he do that?

00:41:34.000 I think he just wanted the rest of us to know that this is a very dangerous situation, and it's playing out now.

00:41:40.000 There are only six months left, and nobody's making any secret of the fact that this is the urgency for the Israelis.

00:41:47.000 It's not that the Iranians are getting a nuclear bomb in six months.

00:41:51.000 Nobody believes that.

00:41:53.000 It's just that this is the window that the Israelis perpetrate or precipitate or catalyze this kind of reaction that they hope to get from the Iranians, that Bush has already pledged publicly to jump in with both feet. 0.87

00:42:09.000 So that's the situation.

00:42:11.000 What we need to do is sensitize the American people and say, look, who's running this country here?

00:42:17.000 Who's responsible for the bill that is now in the Senate and House, which says that we should blockade Iran?

00:42:24.000 An act of war!

00:42:26.000 Who's responsible for that?

00:42:27.000 Well, we know, because the American, Israel, AIPAC, the organization that was in here two weeks ago, We're openly pressing for that.

00:42:38.000 And then, of course, a blockade is a major escalation of forces right up against each other, blocking their travel back and forth through the straits there, which is an economic and military act of war.

00:42:51.000 And then that's almost guaranteed to where they may not even have to stage a false flag.

00:42:56.000 Some type of incident might occur.

00:42:58.000 And you brought up how the Iranians have been very shrewd, not being goaded.

00:43:04.000 Uh, into anything here, Mr. McGovern.

00:43:07.000 Uh, it's admitted that for four-plus years, New Yorker magazines reported, the White House confirmed last year, that four Wahhabist terror groups, uh, Al-Qaeda groups, commanded by the number three of Al-Qaeda, have been, uh, funded by U.S., uh, military, and under the direction of the White House,

00:43:24.000 to carry out terror attacks targeting police, dams, schools, All over Iran, and the Iranians are suing the U.S. for blowing up Moss staging events, and Iran's saying, okay, we're taking terror attacks, we're taking military hits, U.S. special forces are commanding them domestically, and our White House says, yes, we have forces in there, six months ago put a press release out, attacking you.

00:43:49.000 I mean, can you imagine if Iran had their special forces blowing up police stations in Dallas, Texas, or Chicago?

00:43:57.000 Well, that's different.

00:43:58.000 That's different. 0.97

00:43:58.000 Because they're the evil people. 0.97

00:44:00.000 Come on, Alex. 0.98

00:44:01.000 They're the evil people, and we're going to have the white hat on. 0.99

00:44:03.000 But, I mean, Iran is taking these terror attacks every week, blowing up mosques. 0.96

00:44:08.000 I mean, this is like a Twilight Zone episode, Ray McGovern.

00:44:11.000 Did you ever think you'd see anything like this?

00:44:14.000 I did not, although I've seen close to it.

00:44:17.000 Alex, part of the reason they can take this is because it's so feckless.

00:44:21.000 Part of the reason they can take this is because Because the National Security Council under Bush doesn't know what it's doing, and it's got a bunch of amateurs in what used to be the covert operations part of the CIA.

00:44:36.000 The activity is not going to have much effect, and so the Iranians can kind of dust it off. 1.00

00:44:41.000 But you know, what people need to realize is that the majority in Iran are the minorities, okay?

00:44:49.000 There are more minority peoples.

00:44:50.000 In Iran, I'm talking about Azeris, I'm talking about Bulghis, I'm talking about Kurds. 1.00

00:44:56.000 Over 50% of the Iranian population are minorities.

00:45:00.000 And so what this administration, our administration, thinks they can do is play around with these minorities and fund all kinds of terrorist little... 0.96

00:45:08.000 But all they're doing is getting more support from the central government.

00:45:11.000 That's exactly right.

00:45:12.000 And they can't succeed at it.

00:45:15.000 You know, the fecklessness of this whole thing is, if you wrote a novel, nobody would read it because it's too strange.

00:45:24.000 So how do we stop it?

00:45:27.000 Well, you know, Alex, I've come to the conclusion that writing op-eds isn't enough.

00:45:35.000 Speaking wherever they'll listen to me isn't enough, because I find myself speaking just before groups who are already persuaded that this is outrageous.

00:45:46.000 So I don't know how to skin this cat, other than to think that maybe the time has come to put our bodies into it.

00:45:52.000 Maybe the time has come to go into our senators and representatives of offices and say, And stay there and make sure that they know that, you know, we want to run this country.

00:46:02.000 We don't want AIPAC.

00:46:03.000 We don't want the Israel lobby to be leading us into a war from which we will suffer for decades and decades.

00:46:10.000 I've got my little granddaughter here.

00:46:12.000 She's 14 months.

00:46:13.000 And I look at her and I say, my goodness, you know, what is going to happen to little Molly and her generation?

00:46:20.000 What we need to do is be a little less selfish and put our bodies into it, because there is such a thing as too late.

00:46:26.000 Martin Luther King said that very eloquently.

00:46:29.000 There is such a thing as too late, and we're approaching that point within the next two months, in my view.

00:46:35.000 Well, on a separate whole genre, but it fits into this, and then I want in the final segment to talk about the degrading situation and the propaganda we're getting out of Iraq, and different agencies putting out different sides of that.

00:46:50.000 I was in DC to cover Bilderberg a few weeks ago.

00:46:53.000 I have been in London, I've been in California, Austin, Texas where I live, and I watched police harassing tourists in DC who were at the National Monument, clearly families, taking photos when there's no law.

00:47:09.000 I watched police minding them like I was in, you know, 1970s Havana, Cuba.

00:47:15.000 I had police walk up to me in Austin and say, turn your camera off or I'll take it.

00:47:19.000 Uh, and telling me I can't protest or can't stand on the street with a sandwich board, saying I'm for Ron Paul or I'm against the war.

00:47:27.000 Uh, in England, they admittedly now are just confiscating people's cameras.

00:47:31.000 The police admit they're provocateuring.

00:47:33.000 Uh, I mean, I don't understand how they've gotten rank and file in the West.

00:47:39.000 I mean, it's not just about Iran.

00:47:40.000 It's not just about Iraq.

00:47:41.000 There is a great darkness.

00:47:42.000 It's bigger than the neocons, bigger than Bush.

00:47:45.000 The establishment, for some reason, is going for broke to create classical tyranny by every yardstick.

00:47:52.000 It's just...

00:47:53.000 Can you talk about that from your analyst's perspective?

00:47:56.000 You're aware of all these things happening.

00:47:58.000 How is this...

00:47:58.000 I mean, this is insane!

00:48:00.000 Yeah, I think what you're about to ask is how is this possible.

00:48:04.000 And it's possible because of the media.

00:48:08.000 I call them the fawning corporate media.

00:48:12.000 People have no way of learning what's going on.

00:48:16.000 Number two, people are not very much affected in their own minds about this, since they don't know the ramifications of being eavesdropped upon.

00:48:27.000 You ask your neighbor, don't you care that your private conversations on the telephone are being monitored?

00:48:32.000 What do you get?

00:48:33.000 You get the answer, well, I'm not talking to Osama Bin Laden, you know, with no skin on my back.

00:48:37.000 But it's worse than that.

00:48:38.000 All over the country, they're training grade school kids to report on their parents, and then admitting it on the news like it's good.

00:48:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:45.000 So, the tenor has really just completely changed in the country, and we've got to find some way to write that, which is not going to be very easy, but with the media, I mean, That's the sea change, Alex.

00:49:01.000 You know, when I look back at Watergate, where I was, you know, reading every word of the Washington Post, and following it, like, for two years, I mean, that was the height.

00:49:11.000 That was where the press, the media really, really came into its own.

00:49:17.000 You look now, you look at the papers today, look at the Times, look at the Post, there's not a word.

00:49:22.000 The New York Times wrote an apologetic piece this weekend, basically like, torture's no big deal.

00:49:28.000 Well, yeah, it's really reached dangerous proportions.

00:49:36.000 What I compare it to is the situation in Nazi Germany in 1933, where everyone cooperated.

00:49:45.000 I mean, you take the churches.

00:49:47.000 One might expect, or one might hope at least, for a moral stance to be taken by the institutional churches in this country.

00:49:55.000 What about the Methodist Church?

00:49:57.000 Bush and Cheney both claim to be Methodists.

00:50:01.000 Do Methodists approve this kind of torture? 0.88

00:50:03.000 They should throw them out.

00:50:04.000 They should throw Cheney and Bush out, shouldn't they?

00:50:07.000 Yeah, well, at least they should make a moral statement.

00:50:09.000 So what you have, as you had in Germany in 1933, you have the Catholic and the Lutheran churches throwing in their lot, but the government not finding their voice.

00:50:20.000 And so it's up to people like us to do what we can.

00:50:23.000 And, you know, whether we're successful or not, well, it's not about being successful.

00:50:28.000 It's about being faithful.

00:50:30.000 It's about having integrity and speaking out and making sure people know what's going on, because if people aren't affected immediately, as they weren't affected, it was only those little Jews, my neighbors, the Jews, that were being carted off, you know?

00:50:44.000 It was only those kids in the small towns of America that are going off to Iraq, you know?

00:50:50.000 I don't Uh, I dare say the prospects are not good.

00:51:12.000 Ray McGovern, stay there.

00:51:13.000 I want to come back and talk about Iraq, the deteriorating situation there, deteriorating in Afghanistan as well rapidly.

00:51:20.000 Meanwhile, Bush and his cronies are commanding armies that don't exist.

00:51:23.000 But I believe they plan to fail forward.

00:51:26.000 They want to get us into a war so big that they can then escalate.

00:51:29.000 We'll be right back.

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00:54:17.000 AnotherUntoldStory.com AnotherUntoldStory.com AnotherUntoldStory.com All right, we're going to keep Ray McGovern now one more segment into the next hour.

00:54:36.000 Then we've got the director of HARP joining us to talk about that program.

00:54:40.000 Thank you.

00:54:41.000 Current head of it.

00:54:43.000 Well, the heads of three different programs inside the HARP program.

00:54:47.000 Ray McGovern, one of the chief analysts for Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr.

00:54:51.000 We are in the times that try men's souls.

00:54:54.000 I feel sorry for these little neocon followers that don't understand they're gonna be paying 10, 12 bucks a gallon for gas, bare minimum, if this attack happens.

00:55:01.000 I was just talking to you during the break, Ray, about the police state in this country, and you said, yeah, I've been arrested and convicted of unlawful assembly.

00:55:11.000 I mean, you can be in New York, anywhere, Austin, Texas, and they'll walk over and say, you're not allowed to stand here on the street corner.

00:55:16.000 There could be a guy with a sandwich board advertising tax preparation.

00:55:20.000 He's fine.

00:55:21.000 But you can't.

00:55:22.000 And I think it's they just haven't taught our Bill of Rights Constitution in the schools.

00:55:27.000 But before we get into Iraq, can you speak to that?

00:55:30.000 Yeah, it's very disturbing.

00:55:32.000 You had your own experience with the Bilderberg thing.

00:55:34.000 I'm sure you've shared that with your audience.

00:55:38.000 You know, people are becoming more repressed and more fearful.

00:55:44.000 This is taking many, many manifestations.

00:55:47.000 One of the neat things that's going on is that people are pushing the envelope here.

00:55:53.000 Pushing back?

00:55:54.000 Yeah, Paul Colleen Rowley, for example, out there in Minnesota. 0.64

00:55:57.000 She was the FBI whistleblower, you may recall, during 9-11.

00:56:02.000 She's taken to more mundane activities, encouraging and preparing herself these great big banners that they put over overpasses on the Minnesota highways.

00:56:11.000 Why? Because it's legal.

00:56:12.000 That's why.

00:56:13.000 And she says the honks that they're getting and the support that they're getting is really masterful.

00:56:19.000 And this is spreading throughout the whole country.

00:56:21.000 It's something easily done.

00:56:22.000 All you have to do is establish that it's legal and that nobody drops any of these banners and causes an accident.

00:56:30.000 So there are people pushing back, but the repression seems to be on the offensive here.

00:56:37.000 Well, that's premeditated.

00:56:38.000 They know that what they're doing is illegal, wrong, unconstitutional, despotic, and then you're seeing the final equation in that where they come in with the suppression.

00:56:48.000 I've heard the saying, make a dictator act like a dictator. 0.85

00:56:51.000 I think this is backfiring on them.

00:56:53.000 I don't think they're going to get the total acquiescence like they got in Germany here.

00:56:57.000 Well, I certainly hope not.

00:56:58.000 We're not quite there yet, but I am very, very disturbed at the passivity, you know, at the kind of indolence that people just...

00:57:10.000 Part of it is economic.

00:57:12.000 You know, most people have two jobs these days.

00:57:14.000 They don't have time to think about these things and just let them slide.

00:57:17.000 So we have to sensitize them to it.

00:57:19.000 That's right.

00:57:19.000 Got to have a job just to pay for your gasoline to get to the other job.

00:57:23.000 You know, reading over what special forces, what the CIA did in despotic countries to overthrow them, I'm not calling for violence, but some of the nonviolent things, the info war, using the weapons of the truth, I prosecute this like a war, and I think my listeners, they're doing that.

00:57:39.000 That's why we're so successful here in Banner Hangs, Micro-FM, going into classrooms and handing out, you know, DVDs about what's happening.

00:57:48.000 I mean, all of us have to get really aggressive right now against this tyranny, or it's going to go to another level.

00:57:54.000 You know, national draft, police state, martial law.

00:57:57.000 Do you agree with that statement?

00:57:59.000 Well, I think the danger is there, Alex.

00:58:01.000 And, you know, all we need is another terrorist attack.

00:58:06.000 And McCain's good friend there said this would really help.

00:58:10.000 McCain will help this regime as well.

00:58:13.000 God knows, you know, we've got some of the regulations already prepared to even do things like impose martial law and postpone the election.

00:58:21.000 Yeah, this is a very dangerous time.

00:58:22.000 I can't conceive of a more dangerous time on our country's history, at least during my lifetime.

00:58:27.000 I can't either.

00:58:28.000 In the next six months.

00:58:29.000 I think it's as dangerous as Trenton, uh, in 1770.

00:58:34.000 Was it seven?

00:58:35.000 I mean, I can't think of a more, more dangerous time.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:40.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:58:42.000 When we come back, five final minutes with Ray McGovern, back in 60 seconds, we're going to talk about the Iraq situation, but Yeah, I hardly got into all these neocons writing op-eds.

00:58:53.000 Gary Hart writing a letter to Iran saying our governmental state's terrorists actually better do what we say.

00:58:58.000 I mean, they really know that a lot of us know that they're involved in the terrorism, folks.

00:59:03.000 And so it's an open threat to the whole world. 0.99

00:59:06.000 These people are mad dog killers. 0.99

00:59:08.000 We'll be right back. 0.99

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01:00:33.000 Big Brother.

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01:00:36.000 Government cover-ups.

01:00:38.000 You want answers?

01:00:40.000 Well, so does he.

01:00:41.000 He's Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:46.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:51.000 We're gonna get him up for a full hour in the near future.

01:00:54.000 It's just such a great mind, and his predictions have unfortunately all come true and unfolded.

01:00:59.000 We've only got five minutes left with him, and I forgot to ask him this question.

01:01:03.000 Should've done it off-air, but I really want his perspective.

01:01:06.000 Because lately I've had like army intelligence types come up and you know, I'm in a restaurant and say little threatening things or let me see they're following me.

01:01:14.000 Let me know they're there.

01:01:15.000 It happened a lot in Virginia.

01:01:17.000 Hey, do you want to attack the State Department with us?

01:01:19.000 And then a day later, they're on the Bilderberg property with binoculars and, you know, laughing at me, following us, wearing clown mask, you know, just a lot.

01:01:26.000 I'm actually having the black ops now physically mess with me. 0.94

01:01:31.000 And, uh, Why do you think they're doing that, Ray?

01:01:35.000 Are they starting to get worried about us, and is this a desperate attempt?

01:01:38.000 Because it's not going to intimidate me.

01:01:41.000 Well, it won't intimidate you, Alex, but they're hoping that it would intimidate others.

01:01:45.000 And that's, you know, that's part and parcel of their approach.

01:01:48.000 Take torture, for example, you know?

01:01:50.000 They know it doesn't work.

01:01:52.000 So why do they do it?

01:01:54.000 Well, one of the reasons is because they want us to know that they can do that.

01:01:58.000 They want us to know that they can do that to American citizens, as they have to several.

01:02:03.000 Also, torture is kind of a good way to get the kind of information that you want, you know?

01:02:09.000 It doesn't have to be accurate.

01:02:10.000 You just have to tell Egyptians, or whoever it is, you know, to get the right kind of answers to questions. 1.00

01:02:15.000 So, the total absence of any regard for the truth, and the total absence of any regard for the Constitution, Well, I don't know.

01:02:39.000 Part of it has to do with the educational opportunities, such as they are in this country.

01:02:44.000 Part of it has to do with the macho culture.

01:02:47.000 And the media, once again, I think the media is the prime culprit here.

01:02:51.000 So they think they're Jack Bauer and I'm Al Qaeda?

01:02:54.000 Yeah, and you know, Jack Bauer, you know, curiously enough, down in Gitmo, Jack Bauer was the, or 24, whatever it's called, was the big attraction.

01:03:04.000 They all watched that, and they drew lessons from that, and actually they implemented some of those tactics, not realizing that they would be counterproductive, not realizing that the FBI was right.

01:03:15.000 You don't get accurate information this way.

01:03:17.000 It was just chaos.

01:03:19.000 Chaos very well orchestrated.

01:03:21.000 In closing, Iraq.

01:03:22.000 New info came out from the GAO.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, you know the surge business.

01:03:27.000 We had it pegged from the outset.

01:03:29.000 The surge only had to do with preventing a definitive loss in Iraq before Dick Cheney and George Bush left.

01:03:37.000 And so what we have now is the end of the surge.

01:03:40.000 No more troops to surge anymore.

01:03:42.000 It'll go back to the way it was, even though the violence is down temporarily.

01:03:48.000 And there's no plan for post-surge.

01:03:51.000 And that's what the Government Accountability Office made clear in their report.

01:03:56.000 And, of course, the State Department non-concurs.

01:04:00.000 And the Defense Department says, no, no, you got it all wrong.

01:04:03.000 Well, I've been through this before.

01:04:05.000 The name of that one was Vietnam.

01:04:07.000 You couldn't trust the army because they were an interested party.

01:04:11.000 They were not telling the truth.

01:04:13.000 Thank goodness we have a government accountability project, which is run by the Congress, not by the administration.

01:04:20.000 They're telling it like it is.

01:04:21.000 And the situation is no better now than it was before the surge.

01:04:24.000 As a matter of fact, it's a little bit worse because the objectives of the surge, namely a political accommodation which would allow us to withdraw gradually, that's as far In the future as ever all we've got or all our oil companies have got out of this is The permission to go back in there and extract oil and you know people who say this had nothing to do with oil Well, look what's happening now?

01:04:49.000 Well exactly a credit artificial scarcity, which is what they were mad at Saddam for over pumping in 1990 Yeah, it's you know the the strategic strategic games here ... are the same as they've been since World War II.

01:05:09.000 Secure the safe delivery of oil and gas from that part of the world, and secure Israel. 0.96

01:05:15.000 And it's what they hoped would be internationally recognized borders now.

01:05:19.000 Ray McGovern, we're out of time.

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01:05:22.000 Thank you so much for all the time, sir.

01:05:24.000 My pleasure, Alex.

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01:08:33.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:08:52.000 Okay, we are trying to get Jim Bates, HAARP Program Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate on.

01:08:59.000 Ed Kennedy, U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.

01:09:02.000 Dr. Paul Cossey, HAARP program manager for the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

01:09:08.000 And we just got a call from the public relations spokesman for Kirkland Air Force Base, and we're talking to him.

01:09:16.000 He says they're about to call in, so we hope they come on.

01:09:19.000 You know, we've had a few guests on talking about what they believe HAARP does, what they admit it does, and I thought, You know, why not?

01:09:28.000 And Trey, my producer, thought, why not get the people from HAARP on?

01:09:32.000 We had General Parton on years ago who headed up the Air Force's stuff on it, and he wouldn't talk about it.

01:09:37.000 I mean, I had him on about some other issues with the military, and he was actually talking about his Sino-Soviet split paper he wrote that was then adopted into policy and then thrown out of policy back in the 60s.

01:09:51.000 He became the head of Air Force Weapons Development, and just while we had him on, we took a call, and the caller said, you directed HAARP, and He said, well, I'm not going to get into it as classified.

01:10:00.000 So we'll see if these guys will come on and, I mean, tell us what HAARP is, at least from their perspective, or what they can tell us.

01:10:08.000 I mean, let me tell you, they were very helpful.

01:10:10.000 Trey called them last week and just said, I want somebody on from HAARP.

01:10:12.000 And they called back and said, OK, Jim Bates, HAARP program, Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

01:10:19.000 What is HAARP doing with space vehicles?

01:10:22.000 I mean, is this for scanning for satellites or missiles?

01:10:25.000 That's what I was always told, is that it was an over-the-horizon radar system that went into space as well, but Parton wouldn't talk about that, but he did say it had something to do with that.

01:10:35.000 Ed Kennedy, U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.

01:10:39.000 We've had old Ben Livingston on, who was there for a while, the head of it, with weather weapons.

01:10:43.000 That was interesting, that was declassified.

01:10:45.000 I mean, we just try to bring you, these are really interesting things.

01:10:48.000 And we like to go directly to the source of where this Where these programs are being carried out.

01:10:57.000 And we did announce we were having these guests on and we're a controversial show and talking to the public relations guy.

01:11:05.000 He was saying, what do you want them on about?

01:11:07.000 And I said, look, I'm having them on about whatever they want to say.

01:11:10.000 And I am here in the lurch.

01:11:12.000 John, have we gotten any of these guys on?

01:11:15.000 They have not called in.

01:11:16.000 And do we still have the fellow who's Mike is listening in?

01:11:21.000 Go, go ask him what the ETA here is.

01:11:24.000 Because I don't like doing this.

01:11:26.000 And if we have to reschedule them, that's fine.

01:11:28.000 I don't want to make a big issue out of this.

01:11:30.000 We just wanted to have them on.

01:11:32.000 Kind of like it was declassified, that the whole weather weapons program is up until 75. And before it was in any news article, I said, wow, my listeners have sent me these declassified documents.

01:11:46.000 And they were online, Library of Congress.

01:11:48.000 I said, I better call Ben Livingston.

01:11:49.000 And he was up in uh the panhandle of texas running a weather control company uh and uh we flew him to austin and had him on and he had talked about how they controlled hurricanes steered them directed them and uh then fox news ap and others picked up on that coast to coast am and we do have some of the stuff that's been declassified about harp here and i thought why not go directly to the source instead of Instead of having people claim HAARP does this or HAARP does that,

01:12:19.000 I don't know what it does.

01:12:21.000 Because it's classified.

01:12:24.000 So, we just wanted to get the word from them.

01:12:28.000 Oh, fantastic.

01:12:29.000 Dr. Paul Cossie, HAARP Program Manager for the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

01:12:35.000 Doctor, did I get that title correct?

01:12:37.000 That's correct.

01:12:38.000 Wow, this is just amazing to have you on with us.

01:12:43.000 What is HAARP?

01:12:44.000 I mean there's so many rumors flying around, so many different things that have been said.

01:12:48.000 One time I had an Air Force retired general on about a totally different issue and a caller called in and said you were the director of HAARP for the Air Force and he wouldn't talk about it.

01:12:59.000 So I appreciate you guys coming on.

01:13:01.000 What is HAARP?

01:13:03.000 Well, I always have to smile because we certainly do like to talk about what HAARP is because there's certainly a lot of What it isn't, it's been a favorite program in the growth of the Internet.

01:13:18.000 We started about the time the Internet did and somehow it got picked up and became a kind of a favorite blog for a lot of people.

01:13:26.000 Unfortunately, what HAARP is versus what it isn't are so different that it's hard to even get into that.

01:13:35.000 So in terms of what it is, it's a research facility.

01:13:40.000 To conduct research in ionosphere and radio science, much like the type that started way back in the days of Marconi in the early 1900s, whenever they discovered that radio waves somehow got across the ocean, which was a great surprise.

01:13:57.000 And that led to a whole growth of science in understanding the ionosphere, radio waves, and the physics and the chemistry of all those things.

01:14:06.000 That even led to sonar!

01:14:08.000 And, uh, well, that's right.

01:14:10.000 That's a acoustic-type wave.

01:14:12.000 It goes underwater.

01:14:14.000 But then even in terms of the radio science that I'm sure it worked, uh, that caught on for tens of years.

01:14:22.000 And over time, it's led to, obviously, the development of many systems that we're very familiar with and quite happy with, including our modern communications systems, and satellite comm, and long-distance comm, and even, uh, the global positioning Yeah,

01:14:48.000 those kind of studies we hope well into the next century.

01:14:52.000 So it's radio science, it's ionosphere physics and chemistry, and even space science because radio waves indeed go out into space.

01:15:02.000 what is this part about Space Vehicles Directorate?

01:15:06.000 Well, those are some of the arcane names that get put on organizations, but in terms of the Air Force Research Laboratory, there are a number of directorates that focus in certain technology areas, like aerospace, sensors, and space vehicles does connote in Why?

01:15:32.000 Because HAARP might be used to detect satellites or ICBMs?

01:15:36.000 No, no, no.

01:15:37.000 Let me just say what the organization is and you'll see how we're in there.

01:15:42.000 The space people have to do with a lot of the work in the directorate is involved with planning new satellite systems or demonstrations.

01:15:53.000 Remember, it's a research lab.

01:15:55.000 Yeah, so there's lots of different It's related to space and in terms of the directorate that my group is involved with, we are part of that directorate in terms of the name.

01:16:13.000 Well, sir, maybe the stories get started because there are so many different agencies and directorates and programs inside there that are compartmentalized.

01:16:21.000 I mean, I have no doubt.

01:16:23.000 I mean, I hear all sorts of wild stuff.

01:16:25.000 That's why we've got you on.

01:16:27.000 And so basically, but there are parts of it that are classified, obviously.

01:16:31.000 Well, let me put it this way.

01:16:33.000 The HAARP program, we're very, very well known and known in the scientific community because most of the work we do is very basic research, I must say.

01:16:45.000 And the description of the facility and looking at it and seeing it, there's nothing classified about it.

01:16:53.000 In many ways, it's impressive because of its beautiful location and it does consist That's a good question.

01:17:03.000 What is it?

01:17:04.000 What's on there?

01:17:04.000 And all these antennas, what do they do?

01:17:06.000 Okay, those antennas are kind of, if you like, kind of a special version of Radio Moscow or the Voice of America or the BBC.

01:17:17.000 They're high-frequency transmitting systems, short-wave transmitting systems, basically.

01:17:23.000 However, it's a transmitting system to do research, and the energy from those transmitters and the antennas are directed upward.

01:17:33.000 We're interested in studying how radio waves interact up in the ionosphere.

01:17:38.000 We're talking about up over 50, 60, up to hundreds of miles, and even thousands of miles into space.

01:17:45.000 That's what the basic studies are involved with.

01:17:48.000 Whereas, Voice of America, Sure, but let's say Voice of America is a million watts.

01:18:05.000 How many watts are you guys putting out?

01:18:08.000 That's a good example.

01:18:10.000 Voice America is the radiated power of 1 million watts.

01:18:14.000 The completed HAARP facility, which was finished last year about this time, It's a little more than three and a half million watts.

01:18:24.000 Three and a half million watts.

01:18:26.000 What about people that say that it's for weather control or weather modification?

01:18:30.000 Well, it has, you know, unfortunately it's totally off-base.

01:18:35.000 It has no interactions that affect anything with weather systems.

01:18:42.000 Remember, the weather systems are relatively close to Earth, the jet stream and things like that.

01:18:48.000 We're talking about the harp energy going up and interacting out in the areas, the hundreds of miles into space.

01:18:59.000 This is even going into the Van Allen Radiation Belt, isn't it?

01:19:02.000 Well, the radio waves, it's a high enough frequency that can get through the atmosphere, go down into deep space, that's true.

01:19:11.000 But I mean, the Russians do advertise that they have these radio arrays that they claim clear the skies.

01:19:16.000 That's like BBC News, Associated Press.

01:19:18.000 The Communist Chinese claim that they have smaller arrays that can manipulate the weather. 0.73

01:19:23.000 I mean, can't you see that that's why people then think that what you're doing is similar to that?

01:19:28.000 Well, I don't know if I can see or even understand that.

01:19:32.000 It's just that it has nothing to do with such things.

01:19:37.000 And, in fact, the physical basis for talking about that or interacting with radio waves to do things like that is unknown to me, I must say.

01:19:48.000 I don't know what the technical or physical base for people thinking that one could do that, even where that comes from.

01:19:57.000 You think it's just more of the Russians making stuff up, then? 0.99

01:20:03.000 I can't speak for the residents.

01:20:04.000 I'll talk to you about it, but I have no idea what you're saying or who's saying it.

01:20:09.000 That's the other thing.

01:20:09.000 Okay, fantastic, doctor.

01:20:10.000 You've got quite a bio.

01:20:14.000 I apologize for not properly introducing you.

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01:24:51.000 I typed into Google, Russians to clear skies for parade. 0.88

01:24:55.000 I had remembered that headline from a few years ago.

01:24:58.000 And Associated Press headline, nuclear missiles paraded across Red Square.

01:25:03.000 And then it says, and then it goes into how they manipulated the weather with these different radio waves to clear the skies for the parade.

01:25:15.000 Here is another one.

01:25:17.000 About Russia remembers World War II with lavish victory parade, and it says that they use these antenna arrays to clear the sky.

01:25:24.000 So I think that's what gets tied in to HAARP, because it looks similar.

01:25:28.000 And I was talking to the director, Dr. Paul Cossey, HAARP program manager for the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate, during the break.

01:25:37.000 And he was saying that he had heard about some of those systems for knocking out fogs.

01:25:43.000 So you are saying you have, doctor, read about I know there have been attempts, for example, to disperse fog.

01:25:55.000 Now, often that involves with a lot of, I assume, fans and things like that.

01:26:00.000 Now, the use of radio waves to do it is unbeknownst to me, but I'm not...

01:26:05.000 I don't have any...

01:26:08.000 Well, as I mentioned to you earlier, HAARP is a radio science program.

01:26:29.000 It's a common research.

01:26:32.000 It's not new in a certain way.

01:26:34.000 It's been going on since the days of Marconi to understand how radio waves interact with the ionosphere in space, what those mediums do to it under various conditions, natural conditions, when there are solar disturbances.

01:26:48.000 Because we know, for example, when there are solar disturbances, certain radio waves can get affected, even blacked out, and you have to go to other systems or different radio frequencies.

01:26:59.000 And all this noise has gleaned over the years through Thank you.

01:27:31.000 It's nothing particularly new in terms of the ideas and concepts.

01:27:35.000 It's bringing more modern tools, better capabilities with the new computer-controlled systems, the ways But you're not denying that in separate government programs there's been weather modification and weather manipulation programs?

01:27:51.000 I mean, those have been declassified.

01:27:53.000 Well, again, I'm not involved with such programs, and I'm not familiar with them, and I can't speak to them, Frank.

01:28:00.000 How did you get into this?

01:28:01.000 I mean, how did you decide to get a doctorate in all of this?

01:28:04.000 Well, you don't want my history because my graduate work was in an area fully outside of this.

01:28:13.000 brought into the Air Force as an officer in 1967 and assigned to the Air Force Research Lab up near Boston.

01:28:21.000 And I learned basically a new area outside of my Ph.D.

01:28:25.000 work. But that was great.

01:28:27.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:28:29.000 And I was assigned to a group of radio science and I'm a student of science.

01:28:33.000 And I liked it so much that when my tour was up in four years, I was assigned on as a civilian student.

01:28:40.000 Well, you talked about a lot of other programs going on, a lot of other directorates and groups.

01:28:47.000 I mean, are you privy to all the programs going on with HAARP, or are you privy over one directorate?

01:28:54.000 Harp is under the record I'm in.

01:29:00.000 It has no tentacles and no other wings in other places I'm not familiar with.

01:29:06.000 It's a pretty self-contained program.

01:29:11.000 Okay, so it's one program there, but I know there's a lot of other agencies and things that are there looking at the data, and I guess, you know, I guess they get space on the system to run their own test, or I mean, how many different agencies are involved looking at the data, doing experiments?

01:29:26.000 Well, we have a joint program actually.

01:29:30.000 We're set up as a joint program some years ago with the Air Force and the Navy.

01:29:35.000 And then with the participation of, for example, the DAPA, the Events Advanced Research Projects Agency, has been involved.

01:29:44.000 In fact, all three agencies the funders over at least four or five years that basically brought the facility to their capability and had.

01:29:56.000 And so in terms of what HARPS can study, radio wave interactions in the island here in space and how they might impact communications, radar, Final segment with our guest.

01:30:11.000 He's the director of the Heart Program, Dr. Paul Cossey.

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01:33:48.000 We're back live, ladies and gentlemen, final segment with the director of the HAART program, manager for the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate.

01:33:57.000 He's the head honcho over it all.

01:34:00.000 We're unable to get to Dr. Jim Bates on and Ed Kennedy.

01:34:04.000 The U.S. Naval Research Laboratory at the end said, oh, we don't think we're going to give him classification or allow him to go do that for some reason.

01:34:14.000 I mean, if it's no big deal, and during the break you guys were saying you might invite me up to a Harp open house, I mean, Doc, if it's not anything so secret or anything, why would the Navy, who originally wanted us to have Ed Kennedy on, Dr. Ed Kennedy, why would they not want him on with us?

01:34:33.000 No, that's a little unfair to what's going on.

01:34:36.000 Just like in our case, the agencies have public affairs offices to kind of funnel and channel questions so that consistent and the right people are involved, and that's usually done ahead of time. Unfortunately, in this case, I was only brought in fairly recently because I've been out, but it was worked through the Air Force.

01:35:07.000 I understand, so it was just a snafu that was set up so soon.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, but the connection wasn't made through the Navy offices, uh, and I wasn't realized until today, I guess.

01:35:16.000 But, yeah, normally I would have been...

01:35:18.000 Oh, so that's bureaucracy.

01:35:20.000 They're mad that they weren't contacted.

01:35:21.000 I understand, Doctor.

01:35:22.000 It just wasn't brought...

01:35:23.000 It didn't go through the Public Affairs offices, that's all.

01:35:25.000 That's always the case.

01:35:26.000 It has to be done.

01:35:28.000 Uh... It's just to have consistency and make sure the right people are involved and that everyone knows what's going on.

01:35:35.000 How many interviews have you done, Dr. Ron Harp, for radio or TV?

01:35:41.000 There's been quite a few with newspaper people and magazine people and a couple times, I guess, not live radio, but national public radio has asked questions.

01:35:55.000 They actually send people to some of the open houses and get a little more involved.

01:35:59.000 What's the best question you were ever asked?

01:36:02.000 What's that?

01:36:02.000 What's the best question you've ever been asked by the media?

01:36:07.000 Well, unfortunately the questions are more tied to what it isn't.

01:36:12.000 So you get a lot of humorous questions to ask which are hard to answer because it's hard to say what you aren't, you know.

01:36:20.000 Like are you hiding space aliens in the basement?

01:36:23.000 Yeah, or...

01:36:24.000 Well, you know, one of the best questions I got from a phone call that went on for 15 minutes, it was from a lady in Alaska, way in the early days of HAARP, that was concerned, and she went on for 15, 20 minutes, and I patiently answered every question, and I thought I had brought her around understanding that we weren't harmful, and in fact, you know, we work there.

01:36:50.000 We can't, we're interested in our health, too, and things like that.

01:36:53.000 We went out fools, and I thought I convinced her that at the end of this 15 minutes, she says, that's what I thought you said, and I don't still believe a word you said.

01:37:02.000 Well, you know, you get denfounded in something like that. 0.89

01:37:06.000 I asked, like, answered 50 questions from a very one at a time and very carefully, and then the answer is, well, I thought you'd say that, and I don't believe you.

01:37:15.000 So that's the kind of thing that's frustrating.

01:37:17.000 Okay.

01:37:20.000 Look, I have no doubt that most of the program is what you say it is, and I'm sure that it does get confused with other programs and other things that are going on, because I've had the father of weather weapons on, and, you know, there's all these declassified documents on that, creating hurricanes, steering them, killing them in the 60s.

01:37:36.000 Well, I guess I, again, I see that, and we've certainly been accused of that, which is fascinating.

01:37:41.000 Of course, we're not, you know, totally off the wall, but Where do those ideas come from, even?

01:37:47.000 Where's the physical basis for them?

01:37:48.000 Because, uh, you know, I'm not aware of any physical basis.

01:37:52.000 Well, the weather controllers with cloud seeding, the documented Stanford research...

01:37:56.000 Well, that's a different thing.

01:37:56.000 You know, you're talking about maybe putting chemicals up in the clouds.

01:38:00.000 Uh-huh.

01:38:00.000 Yeah. You're not talking about, uh, some, uh...

01:38:03.000 But, see, people believe that with HAARP, that chemicals are put in, and then, so some of the scientists have said, and then, uh, these, these different radio, uh, arrays, then somehow, uh, Yeah, I get it.

01:38:28.000 I see those things, but I'm just flabbergasted because I don't know what the technical base is, and certainly it's nothing to do with HAARP or any capability that HAARP would have.

01:38:40.000 No, actually not.

01:38:42.000 In fact, Nothing I'm doing is classified.

01:38:47.000 Well, when I had General Parton on who said decades ago he was involved in HAARP, he wouldn't talk about it, but I had him on about another subject and a caller called in and he just said, it's all lies, what you hear about it's lies, but it's classified and I'm not going to talk about it.

01:39:01.000 I don't know whose dental part is or was, but if you're talking about decades ago, HARP only got started even in the planning stages in the 1990s, and we really only finished the site last...

01:39:15.000 Well, he was the head of Air Force Weapons Development and he said he'd been involved.

01:39:25.000 I think he got out in the early 90s, so I'm not sure, but you might look that up.

01:39:29.000 I'm sure he just wouldn't talk about it.

01:39:34.000 with the program.

01:39:35.000 I was with him from day one, and I know of no such connection with anyone like that.

01:39:40.000 And, you know, that's just the fact.

01:39:41.000 Are there other radio testing systems that can be confused with that?

01:39:46.000 Again, if you're talking about other facilities, other programs, I'm not aware of them.

01:39:55.000 Again, HARP does its interactions hundreds of miles up.

01:40:03.000 Remember, the things that control your weather are much closer to Earth.

01:40:06.000 No, I understand that.

01:40:06.000 In fact, you know, airplanes that fly in a jet stream produce more power than what HAARP can.

01:40:11.000 But we know that the different space waves, the different types of particles that come into the atmosphere, they're now saying that's a large part of our weather.

01:40:23.000 In the formation of clouds and...

01:40:26.000 That's a mainline scientific...

01:40:29.000 You know the Sun and and and different particles that yeah, yeah But in terms of the interactions of radio waves such as harp They're they're puny remember lightning goes off tens of times a second all over the world and produces radio waves and strength and energy that that is not Oh, I understand.

01:40:58.000 The sun is a huge broadcast for the radio waves.

01:41:02.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just puny.

01:41:04.000 We're puny.

01:41:05.000 In fact, our interactions are so weak, we need to be where we are because it's what we call relatively quiet from electrical noise.

01:41:16.000 And the interactions, the things we're studying that we can do with HAARP are so weak out in space that we need very sensitive instruments just to detect them and just to try to understand them.

01:41:26.000 But they do produce a method by which we can repeat experiments and try to understand the processes that occur in radio waves Well, have you guys discovered anything?

01:41:48.000 Like a cyclotron discovers new particles?

01:41:51.000 I mean, have you guys discovered any new theories or ideas or different laws?

01:41:57.000 Well, a lot of basic research to understand the physical processes that occur when radio waves interact in an ionized medium up in space, and then try to understand those and hopefully apply them to applications-related ideas.

01:42:16.000 The facility itself is for the research.

01:42:19.000 It's not an operational thing to communicate with anyone.

01:42:22.000 I understand pure research.

01:42:23.000 What about other countries?

01:42:24.000 The Russians, the Chinese, the European Union?

01:42:26.000 Do they have similar programs, doctor?

01:42:29.000 The European community has a facility in Tromso, Norway.

01:42:34.000 It's part of what they call the ICESCAT community there.

01:42:38.000 That actually was a facility like HAARP.

01:42:42.000 that's been around a lot longer than HAARP, to do the same kind of relative kind of research to understand the physics and chemistry and radio wave interactions in space.

01:42:55.000 Who do you pass your data on to once it's done?

01:42:57.000 Well, most of their work is published in open literature.

01:43:00.000 In fact, if you go to the scientific, go to Google Scientific and type in HAARP, you'll see tens and hundreds of papers produced out of the research of HAARP, and you'll see the authors are leading Scientists in university communities, for example, and the government laboratories.

01:43:19.000 Yeah. You brought up...

01:43:21.000 Science is published in the open literature.

01:43:23.000 We've been a subject of articles in prestigious journals such as Nature.

01:43:29.000 And we, our scientists, participate in international conferences.

01:43:34.000 They're well known around the world.

01:43:37.000 It's very...

01:43:38.000 Sure. It's in the open literature.

01:43:39.000 Sure. Shifting gears, Doctor.

01:43:41.000 That's a challenge.

01:43:41.000 You type it in.

01:43:42.000 go to Google the scientific part and type in just Harbin.

01:43:47.000 I'm sure you'll see lots of papers being brought up and describing the type of work that's done there.

01:43:52.000 And you'll see...

01:43:54.000 Now, HAARP is several different bases, isn't it?

01:44:02.000 several different facilities?

01:44:03.000 No. HARP is, we basically have a site up in Alaska, the Kona, Alaska.

01:44:10.000 And what you, I don't know whether it was off, line that you mentioned.

01:44:15.000 It was originally going to be way back in the 70s and 80s.

01:44:20.000 There were plans to build a Air Force over the horizon radar system up at that facility back in those days.

01:44:27.000 But with the change in strategic situation, that program was dropped in the 90s.

01:44:35.000 And after a lengthy environmental approval process, That site became available to us for the scientific purposes of building the HAARP facility.

01:44:50.000 That's, as I say, up in the kernel of Alaska.

01:44:55.000 That's the only location we have, but we do have diagnostic instruments at various locations on the ground in Alaska.

01:45:06.000 Photometers? Photometers, those are optical type devices that That's a good question.

01:45:25.000 and on those kind of nights, when we send the radio waves from Harp up, we can produce emissions Oh! I understand, and so you observe those.

01:45:43.000 What are magnimeters?

01:45:45.000 magnetometers uh...

01:45:48.000 instrument that uh...

01:45:50.000 typically uh...

01:45:52.000 that all the world uh...

01:45:55.000 to to major the earth magnetic field you know magnetic field that's around here And whenever there's, like, eruptions on the sun, like a solar flare or magnetic storms, you'll see those magnetic field components vary and jump around, and then they'll get quiet when it's quiet again.

01:46:14.000 So that's a way to measure the...

01:46:15.000 Yeah. Doctor, you just brought up something super interesting, though.

01:46:20.000 I mean, we've only got five minutes.

01:46:22.000 We do have one at the heart.

01:46:23.000 There's others around the lab.

01:46:25.000 Oh, they're all over the place.

01:46:26.000 They're typical or very normal scientific instruments for...

01:46:29.000 I understand.

01:46:30.000 Uh, detecting changes in the Earth's magnetic field.

01:46:33.000 We've only got five minutes left with you, sir, and you just brought up something really interesting.

01:46:36.000 I didn't know that.

01:46:37.000 So, you guys are able to mimic, on a smaller scale, the aurora borealis.

01:46:42.000 Well, in a very local region, we can produce a light emission that, if you want, would be akin to something like that.

01:46:53.000 But it's so orders of magnitude below what nature does.

01:46:56.000 I understand.

01:46:57.000 Why are you taking photos of that?

01:47:00.000 A, why are you studying that?

01:47:02.000 Sir, A, why are you studying that?

01:47:04.000 B, um...

01:47:07.000 Well, what you do there, when you do some of those kind of work, by seeing where those emissions occur, what altitude, what the wavelengths with them are, you can start to understand the chemical constituents.

01:47:22.000 What's the Yeah.

01:47:26.000 and what's the percentage of things like that at various altitudes in space.

01:47:30.000 Ah. That's one way to kind of sort that out, but it's a complicated thing.

01:47:34.000 Like a spectrometer?

01:47:36.000 I'm sorry?

01:47:37.000 Kind of like a...

01:47:38.000 A spectrometer is kind of the same thing where you're measuring these emissions at different optical wavelengths.

01:47:44.000 Mm-hmm. And different emissions will occur at different altitudes, for example, and it gives you an idea of where the interactions are occurring.

01:47:53.000 How they move around, and what's the relative concentration of some of those constituents up there.

01:48:00.000 Amazing. In closing, two final questions.

01:48:03.000 What causes the aurora borealis, and how are the radio waves causing a reaction that mimics that on a small scale?

01:48:12.000 Okay, they are actually different physical processes with a similar-like result.

01:48:20.000 In the Aurora Borealis, you're normally dealing with charged particles from the Van Allen Belt in space, what we call precipitating into the lower atmosphere.

01:48:30.000 They actually come in lower than normal.

01:48:33.000 Instead of bouncing out in deep space, the Van Allen Belt, in certain conditions, particularly after solar eruptions or geomagnetic storms, they can be channeled further down and they get down to about 100 kilometers altitude, where they collide with neutral Adam, which are more prevalent closer to Earth, and those collisions produce these emissions.

01:48:57.000 Is that because the magnetic field isn't as strong at the poles?

01:49:01.000 Oh no, it's strong and it's more vertical, and so the charged particles are able to actually somewhat guide it along.

01:49:09.000 Oh, it's because it is stronger, it sucks them in.

01:49:11.000 And more vertical, so they can kind of come down to lower altitudes, and when they get down to where the air is relatively dense, Relatively speaking, anyhow, out at 100 kilometers, 60 miles up or so, that actually will cause the charged particles to knock off and collide with the neutral particles in one of the reactions in the emission of light at various wavelengths.

01:49:34.000 Got it.

01:49:34.000 Here's the last question.

01:49:35.000 We've only got two minutes.

01:49:36.000 Sorry to interrupt you, Doctor.

01:49:37.000 I could talk all day to you with limited time.

01:49:38.000 Sorry, I'm interrupting.

01:49:39.000 Final question.

01:49:40.000 Well, when a radio wave does that, it's a little different.

01:49:42.000 It goes up, and the radio waves interact with the charged particles and cause them to vibrate, and then they bang into neutral.

01:49:49.000 particles and that produces the emission.

01:49:51.000 Gotcha. So it's a vibrating...

01:49:53.000 So it's a collision process in terms of what we're talking about.

01:49:56.000 Final, final, final minutes, sir.

01:49:58.000 I got to ask you this question.

01:49:59.000 You brought up health effects, locals worrying about it.

01:50:02.000 They admit in government reports that cell towers up close are bad for life, that cell phones...

01:50:06.000 Who admits that?

01:50:08.000 There are thousands of government studies now where they've shown increases.

01:50:14.000 Well, they're...

01:50:15.000 But you're saying you're not worried about your health.

01:50:17.000 But I mean, with radio transmitters, you don't want to go sit on top of a radar dish or sit in there with the transmitters.

01:50:22.000 That would be bad for you, right?

01:50:24.000 Well, I think one would be prudent if, you know, if you're...

01:50:28.000 something was vibrating in your car, you wouldn't want to sit on it too long, but...

01:50:32.000 No, I think those kind of questions are being studied by the appropriate organizations and people and...

01:50:40.000 But you're saying you feel safe working up there, and...

01:50:43.000 Oh, yeah, in fact, again, the fields that we encounter are so weak compared to what's just naturally around us that, as I say, we're puny.

01:50:54.000 Now, the facility looks big.

01:50:56.000 I mean, it's impressive in terms of the number of antennas and that, but that's just the nature of the technology.

01:51:02.000 To be able to get a signal that we can measure hundreds of miles up Uh, that signal, by the time it leaves the ground and gets out there, it's so weak that, uh, you know, it really has a hard time competing with natural.

01:51:15.000 Okay, uh, Doctor, I want to thank you.

01:51:18.000 I want to thank the Air Force Base for having you on.

01:51:20.000 Dr. Paul Cossey.

01:51:21.000 Just Google HARP.

01:51:21.000 You can find the Air Force site there at Kirkland.

01:51:23.000 Thank you for the time, sir.

01:51:25.000 Okay, thank you.

01:51:26.000 Thank you.

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01:55:55.000 I'm going in so many different directions.

01:55:57.000 Yeah, yeah, Trey set up the Harp people.

01:56:00.000 When I got back in town, like, late last week, and he said, uh, told me, Friday, I've set up the director of Harp.

01:56:05.000 And I'm like, what?

01:56:06.000 You should have heard it behind the scenes, though.

01:56:08.000 They had this PR guy on the line with him the whole time.

01:56:11.000 That's why his phone sounded muffled.

01:56:13.000 And they put off this whole, you know, persona of it's no big deal, it's all above board.

01:56:21.000 And I have no doubt that a lot of it is exaggerated, what you hear on the web, or they combine other programs in with it.

01:56:29.000 Because there's hundreds of different programs fiddling with the atmosphere and, you know, all these radio waves aren't doing anything, but we can make Aurora Borealis with them.

01:56:38.000 Which is exactly what the scientists we've had on say that the technology they test and develop there is then farmed out in other programs.

01:56:45.000 And I'm sure that the head of HAARP doesn't even know about those other programs.

01:56:48.000 That's how General Stubblebine was the head of Special Forces, head of Army Intelligence, and he didn't know most of what was going on in other departments.

01:56:56.000 But Dr. Paul Cossey, they were really begging me to come up to HAARP.

01:57:01.000 And I was joking with them saying, yes, you can replace me with an alien clone or something.

01:57:07.000 Oh, God help us.

01:57:10.000 You know the world's in a lot of deep trouble when having a discussion with the director of HAARP is light talk, light discussion.

01:57:19.000 But, um...

01:57:22.000 You notice I brought up, well, cell towers and cell phones are known to give you cancer.

01:57:27.000 He's like, who?

01:57:27.000 Who says that?

01:57:28.000 What? Ridiculous! 1.00

01:57:30.000 There's thousands of government reports, totally admitted, not debatable. 0.88

01:57:34.000 The cell phone companies are saying use a hands-free.

01:57:37.000 The cell phones are putting out now ratings saying we have the lowest, you know, microwave radiation emission.

01:57:44.000 They say the Razr has the lowest.

01:57:49.000 Working in radio, working around engineers, you know, they have it in a separate building.

01:57:53.000 You don't want to be around the transmitter on an AM or FM.

01:57:56.000 If it's big, not a little one.

01:57:58.000 But if it's a 5,000-watt, 10,000-watt, 150,000-watt, 100,000-watt AM or FM transmitter, you don't want to be anywhere near it.

01:58:07.000 It'll burn you.

01:58:08.000 The radar dishes will burn you.

01:58:10.000 I mean, everybody knows that.

01:58:11.000 That's admitted.

01:58:11.000 He was like, well, maybe there might be something to that, but the proper authorities are looking into that.

01:58:20.000 Now, the way, talking to radio engineers, radio science engineers, is that if you have an antenna, say, 100 feet long, For a hundred feet out from it, it's putting fry you energy out.

01:58:30.000 And then it cuts off by half at a hundred feet, and then another hundred feet it cuts down by half.

01:58:35.000 So, a thousand feet out or something, you've got a tenfold reduction in the power of that wave.

01:58:43.000 The problem is there's so many antennas, so many things all around us, and it's not the natural waves that we are accustomed to and that we're designed for, and that even govern our sleep patterns, and there's major studies on that.

01:58:54.000 So, There was a lot of BS going on during that interview.

01:58:58.000 I'll, uh, say that.

01:59:01.000 But hey, you got the interview.

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02:01:05.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

02:01:08.000 I've got a little guest popping in on the next segment.

02:01:12.000 Then we're here with bated breath waiting for the Second Amendment announcement as if we don't know what it's gonna be.

02:01:21.000 Just finishing up with a HAARP interview, he was trying to deny weather modification, weather control.

02:01:28.000 And I could tell he was really trying to restrict what he said.

02:01:34.000 And he did have a guy on the phone the whole time with him, the PR guy, saying, I'm not going on air, I'm just making sure all this goes correctly.

02:01:41.000 They were ready to disconnect him at any moment.

02:01:45.000 And for some reason, they didn't have Dr. Ed Kennedy on, his colleague, or the other guy from the naval end of all this.

02:01:54.000 I'm done talking about it.

02:01:56.000 Trey set it up, and...

02:01:59.000 We bring on the, quote, other side.

02:02:03.000 And for other hosts that are gonna flip out now and say that we're in league with HAARP because we were able to get them on, You can call the PR people, and if you're willing to make ten phone calls, like Trey does, you might be able to get them on.

02:02:18.000 But it's kind of like catching a fish.

02:02:19.000 I had them up to the boat, and it fell out of the boat, but the line stayed in its mouth, and then I had to...

02:02:24.000 I was about to catch three fish, and I drug one in.

02:02:29.000 The incredible ignorance out there.

02:02:30.000 It's like what I had Rothschild on. 0.89

02:02:32.000 People were going, look at him!

02:02:34.000 He had Rothschild on!

02:02:35.000 He's in league with him!

02:02:36.000 No, Rothschild put out a children's book, Brainwashing the children to hate themselves and accept, you know, carbon taxes. 1.00

02:02:44.000 And, uh, with a stupid polar bear drowning on the front of it. 1.00

02:02:48.000 And so we called his publisher and snuck attack him, and... 0.99

02:02:52.000 I'm not gonna tell you our trade secrets, but we actually...

02:02:56.000 It's a bit disingenuous how we get these people on.

02:02:59.000 Now, we, with the government, we didn't, uh...

02:03:03.000 abscond them.

02:03:04.000 We didn't divert them, as we know they can find out.

02:03:07.000 We just said, yeah, it's Alex Jones.

02:03:09.000 And we wanted to have them on, and so that's why they were going, Come on, Alex, we don't have space aliens up here during the breaks.

02:03:14.000 Come on, come up here and see, it's really no big deal.

02:03:19.000 Then he tried to deny that Parton was involved, and they did some checking, you heard, during a break, and came back and, Okay, there was a program in the 80s.

02:03:26.000 See, cause they know that's gonna...

02:03:28.000 The PR guy was constantly in his ear the whole time.

02:03:31.000 On another channel, and then I'd hear him during the breaks talking, Oh, hold on, I've got that unmuted where they can hear, let me talk to you now.

02:03:37.000 Click, they'd be gone, and then...

02:03:38.000 Have their little discussions.

02:03:40.000 What a bizarre job I've got.

02:03:42.000 I mean, it is just so bizarre.

02:03:44.000 I mean, it is just so bizarre.

02:03:49.000 But I would like to hear better guests on other shows.

02:03:52.000 And a lot of other shows get jealous and upset about how good our guests are.

02:03:56.000 Why? We're all on the same team fighting the new order here.

02:04:00.000 You can do that too.

02:04:02.000 If you actually work your butts off, you can get all the big guests too.

02:04:08.000 Boy, I got Trey working on a whole bunch of important guests right now for this week and next week just every time I tell you it pans out Lord willing we got some big guests this week big guests next week huge guests coming up next month Later in the month we've had some mega huge fish that have contacted us that we had right up to the boat in the info war and Who then got spooked and didn't do it?

02:04:34.000 You wouldn't believe the people that have contacted me in the last few years and are fans of the show and what we do.

02:04:39.000 It would send shockwaves if they came on the show, but they'd check it out.

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02:05:00.000 Did you hear McGovern without me?

02:05:02.000 Pushing him, he was saying the government would stage terror attacks.

02:05:05.000 This is the guy that briefed Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.

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02:08:43.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:08:47.000 Alex Jones.

02:08:57.000 Just had the director of Harp on.

02:09:05.000 Putting out quite a bit of baloney.

02:09:08.000 You can look at that two ways.

02:09:10.000 They're trying to be deceptive or they are very, very nervous and are afraid of what the public thinks of them.

02:09:25.000 In the past, they would not come on and do PR pieces on my show or really any other show.

02:09:30.000 They're doing more and more of that because the government realizes they're losing so much credibility.

02:09:37.000 But we will talk more about that.

02:09:40.000 We're all waiting with bated breath for the Second Amendment ruling.

02:09:45.000 They ruled on it months ago in secret.

02:09:47.000 It's how the Supreme Court works.

02:09:49.000 Then they went to their spring recess.

02:09:52.000 They had a closed-door meeting, supposedly to give oral statements If they wish.

02:09:59.000 Many times, especially Clarence Thomas, doesn't choose to give an oral statement or comment on why he ruled away.

02:10:09.000 Some of the justices always rule.

02:10:11.000 Others rule some of the time.

02:10:13.000 The point is, they met yesterday and were supposedly going to release their rulings.

02:10:21.000 And I've been on their website as of about 30 minutes ago.

02:10:24.000 I'm on there right now.

02:10:26.000 And I'm not seeing ruling on the Second Amendment.

02:10:29.000 This is very ominous, and I set up Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman coming up in about 50 minutes to try to comment on whatever the ruling was today, and it hasn't happened yet.

02:10:44.000 In fact, I can't radio broadcast and Google at the same time.

02:10:47.000 Hey, Aaron, do a Google News search under Second Amendment Supreme Court ruling or Supreme Court rulings released Because it's going to come out any minute.

02:10:58.000 I mean, sometimes they do announce the day after.

02:11:01.000 In a few rare cases, like a week later.

02:11:03.000 This is bizarre.

02:11:05.000 I mean, we need to find out now.

02:11:07.000 And we'll continue to watch this for the next two hours while we're live and cover that for you.

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02:12:57.000 Because it's directly from them, you get it at 85% off.

02:13:01.000 And I learned about this soap word of mouth and used them for a year before I thought to get them as a sponsor.

02:13:06.000 That was when I first started getting sponsors.

02:13:09.000 Before that, I was literally three people, and all I did was sell my videos and could barely operate.

02:13:14.000 And I'm really proud of Marty.

02:13:18.000 But the reason it's so important that he worked for the Chemical Weapons Corps is that that's why they freaked out and looked at the ingredients of how they were getting rid of soap when he came back from World War II.

02:13:28.000 And we're moving into detergents and chemicals.

02:13:31.000 The oil companies took over the soap industry.

02:13:34.000 So really, he's just old-fashioned soap.

02:13:36.000 It's vegetable and fruit, the essence of cherry and almond and And you save 85% off, and it's something you can do to hurt the New World Order is to move over to it.

02:13:47.000 Marty, it is always wonderful to have you on once a month with us, and it's just great to be part of your Fine Products success story.

02:13:56.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:13:57.000 I appreciate that very much, and I want to take care of your listeners, and my number for today is 365.

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02:14:18.000 What's it costing you now?

02:14:20.000 You can't compare.

02:14:21.000 We're buying detergents that are costing you for every dollar you spend in the supermarket, 17 to 21 cents of that dollar goes for cleaning chemicals.

02:14:32.000 And that amounts to almost $20 a week out of your grocery store bill.

02:14:38.000 That's $80 a month.

02:14:40.000 That's almost $1,000 a year going down the drain with nothing to show for it.

02:14:47.000 Well, we counter that.

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02:15:25.000 I know you're going to say, ah, it's too good to be true.

02:15:27.000 It's good and it's true.

02:15:31.000 I couldn't be here.

02:15:32.000 I'd tell you that if you didn't know...

02:15:34.000 Well... Marty, the people perish for lack of knowledge, and they will pay 85% more for toxic sludge that, in hundreds of studies and their own admissions, are causing asthma,

02:15:51.000 allergies, and look, in my own family, if we run out of your soap or one of the other organic soaps we use, my wife still buys some stuff at the Whole Foods that, by the way, costs three times what the inorganic costs when you are 85% less than Inorganic.

02:16:08.000 I mean, it's usually paid more for organic.

02:16:10.000 You pay less with Marty.

02:16:11.000 But any time we're on vacation or at family's house, like clockwork with my son especially, and I was the same when I was a child, if somebody washes his clothes in Tide or in one of those other ones, he gets rashes all over him.

02:16:26.000 You know, we'll be driving down the road two hours after he gets dressed in the morning and he'll be, Daddy, it hurts, it hurts, my bottom hurts, my leg hurts, and he'll have a rash on his back, on his hind end.

02:16:36.000 from the stuff that's in the regular detergents.

02:16:40.000 Why is that, Marty?

02:16:41.000 Well, what you didn't include was that TIDE spelled backwards is EDIT.

02:16:47.000 And it does that to the skin.

02:16:49.000 It does that to the clothing.

02:16:51.000 It's stronger than dirt.

02:16:53.000 That's what they advertise.

02:16:54.000 Stronger than dirt.

02:16:55.000 It's too strong.

02:16:57.000 It deteriorates the fabric of the clothing.

02:17:00.000 Lint is broken clothing from the detergents.

02:17:04.000 They make it strong So it strips the soil, deteriorates the soil, it also harms your skin, your clothing, your washing machine, everything it comes in contact with, and is controlled by Procter& Gamble, the largest chemical manufacturer in the world.

02:17:22.000 They did last year $50 billion worth of business.

02:17:27.000 That's B, billion.

02:17:29.000 They spent 10% of that, $5 billion on TV advertising, Billboards, newspapers, magazines, to promote the consumer, to hypnotize the consumer, to have them believe that this is the end for cleaning. 0.77

02:17:45.000 And these ads are so ridiculous, it's like a woman will be depressed, and it's a dark, dusty day, and then as soon as she opens the Tide package, flowers shoot out, and life's wonderful, and it's ridiculous. 0.63

02:17:56.000 Well, with the perfumes in there, to smell beautiful, perfumes are toxic! 0.98

02:18:01.000 Perfumes burn the skin! 1.00

02:18:03.000 Who needs it? 0.71

02:18:05.000 You have a choice now, and this is what we feel, an American choice of getting back to good old-fashioned 18th, 19th, and early 20th century soap.

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02:18:27.000 And all these things that do more harm than good and costing you more than it should.

02:18:32.000 Now, Marty, you've got a whole line of great products.

02:18:36.000 Very simple.

02:18:36.000 But you've got a tote bag that is a sampler that's basically at your cost just for folks to try it.

02:18:42.000 You also have free catalogs.

02:18:43.000 Tell them about that.

02:18:44.000 Well, you know, a lot of people don't believe me.

02:18:47.000 They think I'm exaggerating with puffery and extremism.

02:18:50.000 I've been doing this for 61 years.

02:18:53.000 When I started with my father.

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02:19:46.000 Marty, I've got to hold you over because I've got to get a limerick from you.

02:19:49.000 And, uh, briefly talk about some of the things that are in the toxic detergents and shampoos and things.

02:19:55.000 Uh, I mean, folks, the studies I'm reading, separate from Marty, about how they're telling people that have acne now, just get away from the harsh detergents.

02:20:03.000 It just, it's eating your skin.

02:20:05.000 And when I was a child, I remember my mother had to get off Tide and a few other products that would make me break out with red rashes.

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02:24:56.000 Final segment with Marty the Soapman, 5starsoap.com.

02:25:01.000 I only bring you sponsors.

02:25:03.000 I personally use sponsors I believe in.

02:25:06.000 Sponsors I think are great values.

02:25:08.000 But I believe you should filter your water.

02:25:10.000 I believe you should try to save money and be healthier by having non-detergent, non-petrochemical cleaning products and shampoos and lotions and bar soap.

02:25:21.000 I think you should own firearms for your protection, though we don't have any Second Amendment sponsors.

02:25:25.000 We should.

02:25:28.000 I believe in preparedness.

02:25:29.000 We do have great sponsors on that end.

02:25:31.000 I believe in precious metals, evidenced by, look at the rise in their price the last three years, more than doubling.

02:25:38.000 And I believe in freedom and liberty.

02:25:40.000 And I believe in Marty, the soap man.

02:25:44.000 Marty, again, great having you on with us.

02:25:46.000 Just in closing, give me a, well, before we do a limerick, for people that don't know, when you say there are sometimes Hundreds of chemicals just under the term perfume or when you look at the things that are admitted to be in shampoo or creams.

02:26:01.000 I mean, it's crazy!

02:26:05.000 Marty, how do they do this?

02:26:09.000 We just had Marty and then the phone disconnected.

02:26:12.000 Call him back.

02:26:13.000 I want to get his limerick.

02:26:14.000 It'd be bad luck to not get Marty's limerick.

02:26:17.000 They get so many calls when he's on though.

02:26:18.000 It swamps their phone system.

02:26:20.000 Yeah, 1-800-340-7091.

02:26:24.000 I ought to have Marty Edmonds as a regular guest sometime to really talk about what is in the detergents.

02:26:33.000 You shouldn't call them soaps.

02:26:36.000 And then just the fact that in most of these products, half of it's salt.

02:26:41.000 Sometimes more.

02:26:43.000 It's just filler.

02:26:44.000 It's just a total scam.

02:26:47.000 Marty, I wanted to get a limerick from you, my friend.

02:26:49.000 Yeah, it got cut off real fast.

02:26:51.000 I'll be happy to do it.

02:26:52.000 I've got an old one and a new one.

02:26:54.000 Okay. The old one is requested by many of the listeners, and it goes like this.

02:27:00.000 A bee's a busy little soul. 1.00

02:27:03.000 It has no time for birth control.

02:27:06.000 That is why, in times like these, we have so many sons of bees.

02:27:14.000 Ha ha, Marty.

02:27:15.000 Now, here's a real old one.

02:27:18.000 There was an old justice named Percival who said, I suppose you'll get worse if I'll send you to jail, so I'll put you on bail.

02:27:29.000 Now, wasn't Judge Percival merciful?

02:27:34.000 Oh, Marty.

02:27:35.000 1-800-340-7091, fivestarsoap.com.

02:27:39.000 Folks, call and get a free catalog, or get that $20 tote bag.

02:27:43.000 Take the challenge.

02:27:44.000 You'll be impressed whether you've heard the listeners call in and say, wow, this really is great organic cleaning products and soap.

02:27:49.000 Marty, thank you for everything, my friend.

02:27:51.000 My pleasure.

02:27:51.000 Good. Looking forward to hearing from you next month.

02:27:53.000 You bet.

02:27:54.000 Take care, Marty.

02:27:55.000 You know, I was just thinking, I'm going to come back, cover a bunch of news.

02:27:58.000 I was just thinking about how amazing life is.

02:28:00.000 I know I say this every day, but in different ways, it's just so incredible.

02:28:05.000 And all the amazing humans that have lived before us, the good, the bad and the ugly, The creations, the things we've made, the things we've built, the poetry, the ideas, the quotes, uh, the...

02:28:17.000 I feel like I know these poets and philosophers and people.

02:28:22.000 Some of them I read thousands of years ago.

02:28:25.000 Some of them dead for thousands of years.

02:28:27.000 Some of them whose bones are dust.

02:28:29.000 Some of them who died just a few days ago.

02:28:32.000 You know, I got a few criticism emails when I said I like George Carlin.

02:28:35.000 I said I agree with about 90% of what he had to say.

02:28:38.000 I... I didn't agree with George Carlin cynically not believing there's a God because he couldn't see it.

02:28:43.000 I don't, but at the same time, I'm not a big judge.

02:28:47.000 I think overall he was a good person.

02:28:50.000 He was a rebel.

02:28:51.000 And I'm sad that he was so cynical and so worldly that he could never experience other things in life that some of us have experienced that he hasn't experienced, like Dennis Kucinich.

02:29:05.000 Waxing religious or religious spiritual here saying he doesn't care if they kill him During the break.

02:29:11.000 He said even more to me But saying that because he's committed.

02:29:17.000 It's a spiritual fight.

02:29:18.000 It's a spiritual journey Genesis Innocent used to be like that but but fighting evil will bring you to another level.

02:29:24.000 I don't know how to explain it to people.

02:29:28.000 I Mean I still am a complete joke. 1.00

02:29:30.000 I mean, I'm an idiot. 1.00

02:29:31.000 I'm a big mouth. 1.00

02:29:32.000 I'm a crash Blaggart half the time.

02:29:36.000 But I'm growing, and I can see myself growing, and my love increasing, and my intellect increasing, and my wisdom increasing.

02:29:46.000 And I know that my life will be over before I know it.

02:29:51.000 It just goes by so quickly.

02:29:53.000 It's like waiting in a bus stop, and you're waiting 30 minutes, you think it'll never come, and then, sure enough, you Start daydreaming, looking at the bluebirds in the trees, and here comes the bus pulling up.

02:30:02.000 Well, that's your death, folks.

02:30:06.000 So make sure that you leave stuff behind that's good, because that's how you live forever.

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02:34:12.000 It's not hard to find Alex Jones every day.

02:34:16.000 Five days a week right here in the catbird seat on the front lines of the info war Okay The news ladies and gentlemen and there is plenty of it here in front of me We'll get into the Second Amendment the grave ruling coming down the pike any minute any hour any day now with Larry Pratt And

02:34:46.000 of course, Aaron Zillman, and we'll have open phones on the issue of the Second Amendment and what you're going to do.

02:34:53.000 Now, I do this every few months, I'll have guests on, on a topic specific.

02:34:58.000 And our callers are so spoiled, with no screening, no nothing, that when I occasionally say I want to be on subject, people call in and have a tractor they want to sell, or they want to talk about Space aliens or whatever.

02:35:17.000 The point is, is that I will take calls next hour, and a lot of them, but I want to hear what you have to say about defending the Second Amendment, what you're going to do if they start trying to restrict it, what the Second Amendment means to you, ideas you've got to wake up conservatives that the Second Amendment is under the greatest attack ever sustained, like every other section of the Bill of Rights.

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02:36:07.000 The surest sign that you're living in a despotism, you're living in a tyranny, you're living in a society run by crooks, Is when they come after your guns.

02:36:16.000 Okay, let's go over the news here.

02:36:19.000 Bolton says Israel will attack Iran before next president sworn in.

02:36:23.000 Speaking to London Telegraph, John Bolton, a former United Nations weapons ambassador appointed by President Bush, has predicted that the state of Israel will attack Iran's nuclear sites before the next U.S. president is sworn in.

02:36:36.000 Bunch of other officials and former officials are saying the same thing.

02:36:39.000 They're saying it's probably going to be after Barack Obama is elected.

02:36:43.000 It's a threat.

02:36:44.000 They say if you don't elect McCain, we're gonna attack.

02:36:48.000 It's bizarre.

02:36:50.000 As if Barack Obama isn't a warmonger.

02:36:53.000 In an interview with the UK's Telegraph, Bolton said the Arab world would be pleased at news of such an attack.

02:37:00.000 Well, that's kind of true.

02:37:01.000 The Wahhabist Al-Qaeda out of Saudi Arabia will be pleased with an attack on the Shiites. 1.00

02:37:08.000 In the reaction, we'll be positive.

02:37:10.000 Privately, he added, I think there will be public denunciations, but no action.

02:37:14.000 However, Bolton panned the idea that an attack on Iran would be carried out by American forces, stating the administration has essentially given up the possibility.

02:37:24.000 They know full well that if Iran gets hit, they've already put up with terror attacks and staged U.S. Special Forces ops and Al-Qaeda attacks. 0.61

02:37:33.000 That's right, run by our criminal government.

02:37:34.000 Don't roll your eyes, good old boy.

02:37:36.000 The White House admits it.

02:37:38.000 God, you're incredible.

02:37:39.000 I know they're out there everywhere denying it. 0.99

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02:37:41.000 We fought Al-Qaeda! 1.00

02:37:43.000 They think you're so dumb. 1.00

02:37:45.000 They run Al-Qaeda publicly. 1.00

02:37:49.000 I just had Ronald Reagan and George Bush's chief advisor on.

02:37:54.000 And he was telling, you know, I brought that up.

02:37:55.000 He said, yeah, our government runs Al-Qaeda and attacks Iran.

02:37:58.000 You understand that? 0.97

02:37:59.000 Can you get that through your pea brain? 0.93

02:38:01.000 It's real simple. 1.00

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02:38:05.000 STOP LETTING THEM TREAT US LIKE IDIOTS! 1.00

02:38:07.000 THIS IS DANGEROUS! 1.00

02:38:09.000 They may carry out another Al-Qaeda front attack any day in this country, or in Europe, or in Israel.

02:38:16.000 All the big rich Jews are running out of Israel. 0.98

02:38:22.000 All of them.

02:38:23.000 The richest guy left a few months ago.

02:38:25.000 They're selling their houses.

02:38:26.000 They're leaving.

02:38:28.000 I think that's a major sign that they're going to blow the daylights out of Israel. 1.00

02:38:35.000 Oh, God help us.

02:38:36.000 World War III will then start.

02:38:39.000 Can't all of you see what we're on the edge of?

02:38:46.000 I said I'd cover all the news and I've just spent five minutes on one article.

02:38:49.000 It's just too insane.

02:38:51.000 That's Bolton.

02:38:52.000 We got corporate media loathe to explain real outrage behind terror comments.

02:38:57.000 Press fails to point out track record of neocons contracting for attacks.

02:39:01.000 The media circus surrounding McCain advisor Charlie Black's statement that another terror attack would be a big advantage in the election contest has completely failed to explain why such comments are so disturbing.

02:39:14.000 We've had governors, Republican Party heads, state heads, syndicated columnist, op-ed writers, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld in tape saying how wonderful more attacks would be and how we need more attacks.

02:39:34.000 They wrote PNAC documents before the attacks saying it sure helped them get their new world order in.

02:39:39.000 They did it!

02:39:40.000 They write letters to Iran!

02:39:43.000 The head of the CFR board that gave us the homeland security system, Gary Hart, it's bipartisan.

02:39:48.000 Newt Gingrich is on the same committee.

02:39:51.000 Wrote and said, we staged terror attacks You better do what we say. 1.00

02:39:56.000 Don't think the American people are against the war, that we can't stage an attack, and that they won't go along with it.

02:40:02.000 Then we went and asked Gary Hart about his letter, and he said, yeah, I wrote it, and it's, our government may stage an event.

02:40:08.000 There's no debating it! 0.99

02:40:09.000 They think you're so dumb, that they... 1.00

02:40:14.000 I have predicted that Rush Limbaugh would endorse Hillary Clinton. 1.00

02:40:17.000 Five years before it happened.

02:40:19.000 It happened.

02:40:21.000 I mean, I predicted a lot of stuff, and you think it sounds crazy when I predict it.

02:40:25.000 The way they're going, if it continues, I predict they may come right out and basically say, we carried out the attacks, but it was for your own good.

02:40:37.000 I've already had special ops people email me on the street and stuff, go, yeah, so what, maybe we did it.

02:40:43.000 You gotta, the people are wimps, we gotta get them motivated to fight the Muslim threat. 1.00

02:40:46.000 I mean, they know we know they did it now, so they're kind of just going, well, we did it for your own good. 1.00

02:40:52.000 You murdering bastards! 1.00

02:40:55.000 And, and... 1.00

02:40:56.000 We put out the trailer for Truth Rising that's mainly about the first responders, which is about a third of the film.

02:41:02.000 The main message is get them treatment.

02:41:04.000 The police and firemen.

02:41:07.000 And... I got emails and, and, and message posts and, and...

02:41:14.000 YouTube... post in the comments where it's confirmed to be them.

02:41:19.000 It's their handle.

02:41:20.000 It's their link to their page.

02:41:21.000 And they are Marines.

02:41:22.000 They are Army. 0.99

02:41:23.000 And they're saying, we're going to kill you, Mr. Jones, for this, for making this film. 0.99

02:41:28.000 We are going to kill you for saying, get our police and firemen and emergency workers treatment. 1.00

02:41:37.000 That's how evil their cadres are. 0.99

02:41:40.000 I'm the bad guy.

02:41:43.000 I am bad.

02:41:45.000 We are the bad guys!

02:41:47.000 You understand that?

02:41:49.000 A lot of these guys know the attack was an inside job.

02:41:52.000 They like it, folks! 1.00

02:41:54.000 These are sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick people! 1.00

02:42:03.000 You understand our government for 50 years has been training death squads in raping and torturing children in front of their parents? 1.00

02:42:11.000 It's all declassified.

02:42:13.000 And I demand that those of you that support this system stop denying it to yourselves what you're part of.

02:42:19.000 And you look in the mirror and you decide.

02:42:20.000 You work for the system.

02:42:22.000 You empower the system.

02:42:24.000 You protect the system.

02:42:25.000 And I don't mean from violence.

02:42:27.000 You protect it by cancelling our websites, shutting down our sites, going after us, threatening us, suing us, confiscating our cameras, arresting us for free speech.

02:42:40.000 I mean, these cops and military that you see now on the streets of America, the military intelligence, they admit spies on tens of thousands of Americans, personally.

02:42:52.000 They got smiles on their faces.

02:42:56.000 There's an article in mainstream British news about cops provocateuring and how they're smiling and enjoying it.

02:43:02.000 Pretext is for the police to attack peaceful crowds of women and children and old men.

02:43:07.000 It's what it describes.

02:43:09.000 It's fun! 0.99

02:43:10.000 It's fun to kill freedom. 0.99

02:43:11.000 It's fun to be thugs. 0.99

02:43:13.000 It's fun to dress up in black uniforms and get away with evil.

02:43:17.000 Let me tell you something.

02:43:18.000 It isn't fun.

02:43:19.000 You think you've got power, but it's only for a season.

02:43:22.000 And I'm not talking about us coming after you.

02:43:25.000 Do you?

02:43:25.000 It's kind of like in a few cartoons where you'll have like the little goblin or the little creature or the little cat.

02:43:33.000 Kind of like in the Looney Tunes.

02:43:34.000 Where you'll have the kitten scaring the mouse, the kitten and the mouse are fighting, and the mouse is beating the kitten up.

02:43:40.000 And then the mouse suddenly is terrified, and then the kitten feels real powerful and rises up and says, oh, now you're scared.

02:43:47.000 But right behind the kitten is their mama, the big giant one with teeth. 0.98

02:43:52.000 They've got lots of cartoons like that, where it's a baby grizzly bear.

02:43:56.000 Fighting with some other animal and it's losing and then the other animal runs off scared and the baby grizzly bear feels tough and doesn't realize it's mama's behind it.

02:44:05.000 You think we're scared of you and you're on bestial low-level power trips because you wear black uniforms, get to intimidate people and get to run around playing secret agent and you're all jacked up in your career and make excuses for what you're part of?

02:44:20.000 And you think I'm sitting here in horror of you?

02:44:22.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:44:24.000 I'm looking at what's behind you.

02:44:26.000 But it isn't your mama.

02:44:28.000 It isn't your friend. 1.00

02:44:29.000 It's going to eat your butt, too. 1.00

02:44:30.000 Do you understand? 1.00

02:44:32.000 I'm sitting here going, oh my gosh, look at that, and you think I'm going, oh my gosh, look at you.

02:44:38.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:44:39.000 You're the leading edge.

02:44:41.000 You're the cannon fodder. 0.99

02:44:44.000 You are being murdered by your own masters.

02:44:48.000 In a eugenics program, conservatively, a hundred 200 times the size of the Manhattan Project in funding and scope. 0.78

02:44:58.000 The entire global government, our entire government, everything they do is to carry out your organized sterilization, your organized murder. 0.67

02:45:11.000 And you laugh and you giggle in your own little suppressive culture, and, oh, listen to these nuts, listen to these kooks, look at what they're saying now, but everything we talked about is true. 0.88

02:45:21.000 Recruiting 26,000 preachers to covertly have them go teach government sermons about submitting to government and taking forced inoculations and going to labor camps?

02:45:32.000 And teaching flocks to accept their families being broken up?

02:45:36.000 Thank you.

02:45:42.000 Cops coming up and taking people's video cameras?

02:45:47.000 Ordering the slaves around saying there's no right to demonstrate?

02:45:51.000 I mean, you're the bad guys!

02:45:53.000 Period! Period!

02:45:56.000 And don't give me that crap that you do all this because Al-Qaeda. 1.00

02:46:02.000 Give me a break! 1.00

02:46:04.000 Give me a break! 1.00

02:46:07.000 I remember three years ago, it was almost four years ago, we got the Republican strategy memo about how they wanted attacks and how great attacks would be and how they really needed them.

02:46:17.000 You said it wasn't real.

02:46:19.000 We read public PNAC documents that are publicly published by the think tanks saying giant terror attacks are what they need for their new world order and they need them fast.

02:46:29.000 You said that isn't real.

02:46:32.000 You deny reality when it's in your face.

02:46:40.000 I can't tell you how many government bureaucrats and people that serve the system that have laughed at me and then years later They sent me emails going, oh my god, oh my god, I took my 18-month-old in, they got their next round of shots and he had a seizure that night.

02:46:54.000 Oh my god, man, I laughed at you, it's true, Jesus, help me, what do I do?

02:46:58.000 You say you know detoxes, what do I do?

02:47:02.000 Help me!

02:47:03.000 I've had them call up here at the office.

02:47:06.000 I'm so sorry, I didn't know.

02:47:08.000 I'm so sorry, I didn't know.

02:47:14.000 I used to listen to you ten years ago and then I became a detective and I found out my department is dealing drugs.

02:47:19.000 My God, this stuff's real.

02:47:20.000 My God, this stuff's real.

02:47:25.000 But more often than not, you decide to go ahead and deal the drugs.

02:47:29.000 And make excuses about why you deal them. 0.91

02:47:31.000 It's disgusting. 0.87

02:47:36.000 I'm pontificating. 0.72

02:47:42.000 They now publicly come on TV and say we sure need terror attacks, they sure do help us. 1.00

02:47:46.000 And then people ask me, why would the government stage an attack?

02:47:50.000 Hmm, they're telling you why it would help them.

02:47:52.000 Thank you.

02:47:58.000 An aide says there was a plot to kill Ahmed Dinegi that the US and Israel tried to kill him in Baghdad and in Rome.

02:48:07.000 Israel is exercising for nuclear disaster with Iran, Reuters and Yahoo.

02:48:11.000 The New York Times reported Friday that Israel carried out a major military strikes this month, exercise this month, described by unnamed American officials as a rehearsal for mayhem, i.e.

02:48:22.000 a powerful attack on Iran's nuclear uranium enrichment plant.

02:48:27.000 And they're preparing for all-out war and counterattacks and everything else.

02:48:34.000 There's big disinfo stories in the AP.

02:48:38.000 Something's fishy.

02:48:39.000 Experts say gas prices should be $2 a gallon, not $4.

02:48:42.000 $4.

02:48:47.000 And then they go into some quotes by government people blaming it on speculators.

02:48:52.000 It has nothing to do with that.

02:48:55.000 And I find no adults, I find no one on financial shows, but you talk to financial people at Oil companies, and...

02:49:05.000 Last night, I just so happened to be somewhere at dinner, where there was an oil company chief officer there, and I was talking to him, and he was going, yeah, no, it's all the dollar, that's right.

02:49:20.000 And he said, um, thank God for any speculation.

02:49:24.000 The speculation's in the drilling, mainly.

02:49:26.000 Running around drilling everywhere, which is good, it actually causes exploration with larger wildcats that Then cut out the big monopolies that are not drilling because they want to artificially suppress oil.

02:49:38.000 It's availability to jack up prices.

02:49:42.000 You heard me with Ray McGovern, former chief CIA analyst for the president.

02:49:46.000 You had it, you heard, and I said, it's, it's, they don't want oil to flow.

02:49:50.000 And he said, that's right.

02:49:51.000 That's what this is about.

02:49:52.000 See, the neocons get up and say, see, less oil's flowing.

02:49:55.000 We didn't do it for oil.

02:49:57.000 Knowing they're talking to people that have minds less than that of a child.

02:50:04.000 Just looking through a mercury, chemtrail, fluoride haze.

02:50:17.000 Listen to this.

02:50:18.000 Oil prices will not come down, says OPEC boss.

02:50:22.000 And they said no, they're not going to be coming down.

02:50:26.000 That they just want stability.

02:50:29.000 And they said on the weekend.

02:50:30.000 I sat there and watched the OPEC meeting.

02:50:33.000 This is London Telegraph.

02:50:34.000 They said, look, the dollar's been devalued, and that's the end of it, and it's not our fault that speculators are trying to get out of the dollar, so they're rushing into commodities that has increased at some, but the lion's share of the increase, 70 plus percent, is the dollar devaluation.

02:50:48.000 And there's nothing we can do about it.

02:50:50.000 Your governments did this. 0.96

02:50:51.000 You'll never hear that in our news because truth is something that just can't be heard on mainstream controlled whore media. 1.00

02:50:59.000 Okay. Okay. 0.92

02:51:10.000 Okay. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

02:51:15.000 Oh, man.

02:51:17.000 We'll be right back.

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02:54:48.000 That it's the over-the-topness of the criminals running the government that even makes him stagger.

02:54:56.000 I mean, it's just...

02:54:58.000 Again, I keep saying it. 0.99

02:54:59.000 Memos about how they sexually torture small children. 0.99

02:55:03.000 Running giant child kidnapping rings of Christians. 1.00

02:55:06.000 You know, it's okay to kill Muslims. 1.00

02:55:11.000 Secret police, public martial law plans, FEMA camps being built, funding Al-Qaeda, running Al-Qaeda, attacking all these countries. 0.99

02:55:22.000 To have Al-Qaeda attacking Iran and then saying Iran's Al-Qaeda.

02:55:26.000 I mean, I know I keep repeating it.

02:55:27.000 It's just, it's so incredible.

02:55:29.000 It's so incredible.

02:55:32.000 But Jordan Maxwell brought it up yesterday, and I've run into it.

02:55:35.000 A lot of young people, I'm talking about teenagers, don't know where the sun goes. 1.00

02:55:40.000 I mean, they're the equivalent of gibbering, ignorant savages. 1.00

02:55:43.000 They know nothing. 0.99

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02:56:09.000 I mean, they don't even know what government is.

02:56:11.000 They're just...

02:56:12.000 I mean, I've got the proof.

02:56:15.000 I've got state police.

02:56:19.000 In road to tyranny, they find a pocket constitution at a checkpoint and the cops are like...

02:56:24.000 One of them starts going, I can't believe it.

02:56:27.000 I can't...

02:56:28.000 he's like he's found video of children having their heads cut off or something, but that's okay, actually.

02:56:34.000 Actually, in their twisted world, that's good if it's fighting Al-Qaeda that we run, but then I can't believe it.

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02:56:50.000 Oh my god.

02:56:51.000 I can't believe it.

02:56:52.000 I can't believe it. 1.00

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02:56:57.000 Mindless, wicked, evil, hog-like demon. 1.00

02:57:03.000 You idiot! 1.00

02:57:05.000 You swore an oath to that sacred document, you piece of mindless jellyfish excrement. 1.00

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02:57:18.000 Look at... 0.98

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02:57:26.000 You're bringing down our whole society because of your ignorance out there. 1.00

02:57:33.000 Folks, I read this article out of England. 0.97

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02:58:35.000 He asked whether he was Obliged to hand over the film in vain every time he asked back came the same response.

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Alex Jones Show - June 24, 2008

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