Alex Jones Show - 20100311_Thu_Alex

00:00:04.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:06.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:08.000 You want answers?

00:00:09.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:11.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:15.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Well, for the next hour, ladies and gentlemen, then we're going to get back into the kamikaze attack in Austin and what's really going on there.

00:00:29.000 But for the next hour, former Congressman Traficant is our guest.

00:00:36.000 James Traficant, we're very honored to have him with us.

00:00:41.000 He, of course, ran in 1984 as a low-budget grassroots campaign for Congress despite being outspent 7-1 by an incumbent Republican, Traficant Juan Handley.

00:00:51.000 By 18,000 votes, he'd been re-elected seven times.

00:00:54.000 In 2002, they set him up.

00:00:57.000 It's completely transparent, just like with the governor of Alabama.

00:01:01.000 That's now admitted.

00:01:02.000 They had to release him from prison.

00:01:04.000 It came out it was a complete fraud setup.

00:01:07.000 They threatened to put somebody in prison that worked for him and they didn't lie.

00:01:10.000 Same thing with James Traficant.

00:01:13.000 Mr. Traficant, great to have you here with us.

00:01:15.000 Well, glad to be on your show, Alex.

00:01:16.000 You've got a great show.

00:01:17.000 I'm sorry I haven't been there so far, but you really educated the American people for sure.

00:01:26.000 Well, you've been in solitary confinement and in the concentration camp, so you couldn't come on, but it's great to have you here.

00:01:33.000 Sir, break down what really happened to you for some out there that may not know and why it's so important.

00:01:38.000 Well, I think what's amazing about the whole ordeal was it was a $15 million investigation over a span of six years, over 250 agents, all on or about the time that the Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked.

00:01:55.000 The bottom line is the government, and this is the issue now Alex, that will be coming to bear.

00:02:00.000 The government admitted at trial, voluntarily, that they made no audio or videotapes on me in six years.

00:02:06.000 And the reason they did that, it's evident, is because they had no evidence of any crimes whatsoever.

00:02:12.000 They had no evidence, physical evidence.

00:02:14.000 They had seven people who were pressured to lie.

00:02:17.000 Three of them, four of them already recanted that they were pressured to lie.

00:02:21.000 And there's a young man in Nigeria who submitted an affidavit to the Nigerian government that his life was ruined because he wouldn't perjure himself in the trafficking case against trafficking for the government.

00:02:32.000 So this thing is going to blow up.

00:02:34.000 I think before it's over I'm going to get some money out of this and they're going to pay dearly.

00:02:38.000 I've had it.

00:02:39.000 And I think everybody in Austin is familiar with the term.

00:02:43.000 I've had it by now.

00:02:46.000 Well, since you brought that subject up to me when we went to break, what's your bottom line on the attack on the IRS building?

00:02:53.000 Well, you know, the IRS has become such an agency where they actually have testified, Alex, before Congress.

00:03:01.000 That fear Fear is what produces compliance, voluntary compliance, by the American people.

00:03:08.000 And without fear, there can be no collection of taxes.

00:03:12.000 Now, to me, this is an absolute oxymoron in a free republic to hear a statement like that coming from an institution such as the Internal Revenue Service.

00:03:23.000 You know, my particular case is quite documented.

00:03:27.000 I am the congressman that did change the burden of proof in a civil tax case.

00:03:31.000 Before 1998, the taxpayer was guilty and had to prove himself innocent.

00:03:36.000 I was able to change that in a 1998 tax bill with the help of a Texan by the name of Bill Archer.

00:03:43.000 The chairman of the Republican Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Bill Archer put my language in in the conference committee because the IRS had threatened a veto by President Clinton if it had the Travagan language.

00:03:55.000 So I want to give tremendous credit in the state of Texas to that little man.

00:03:59.000 I think if George W. Bush would have made Bill Archer his Secretary of the Treasury, this country wouldn't be in the fix it's in.

00:04:05.000 But having said that, Alex, the results were dramatic.

00:04:08.000 They did a study one year before the bill and one year after, and all of the variables dealt basically with the traffic and burden of proof language.

00:04:17.000 Wage garnishment has dropped from $3.1 million to $560,000.

00:04:18.000 Property liens dropped from $670,000 to $160,000.

00:04:20.000 And individual family-owned homes seized by the IRS dropped from $10,070 to 57 homes, Alex.

00:04:23.000 70,000 to 160,000.

00:04:26.000 An individual family-owned homes seized by the IRS dropped from 10,070 to 57 homes, Alex, 57 in 50 states.

00:04:36.000 We've got an agency that's out of control.

00:04:39.000 One of my last bills was in tandem with two Republicans.

00:04:43.000 One from Louisiana, Billy Tozan, and one from Colorado.

00:04:47.000 Congressman James Travacan, I hate to interrupt you.

00:04:49.000 We've got to go to break, sir.

00:04:50.000 I am going to skip the next break coming up, so we have more time.

00:04:53.000 Continue from there after this quick break.

00:04:56.000 Stay with us.

00:05:00.000 This is Alex Jones with five good reasons you should consider buying a solar power generator.

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00:06:01.000 Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.

00:06:05.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

00:06:09.000 As we're finishing off this agenda, We're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home. 0.71

00:06:13.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

00:06:20.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.

00:06:25.000 For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

00:06:35.000 Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists!

00:06:37.000 They're asking for more matches!

00:06:39.000 And the Congress is saying, who do we make the check out to?

00:06:41.000 Today seems like nobody does care.

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00:07:00.000 This is Alex Jones with five good reasons you should consider buying a solar power generator.

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00:07:15.000 Total government control of electricity in the name of smart grid technology is coming.

00:07:21.000 In some areas of the country, the power grid is dangerously overloaded.

00:07:24.000 And now, new socialist legislation is only compounding the problem.

00:07:29.000 Dangerous weather is always a threat to local grids.

00:07:32.000 Every year, thousands of families lose their power from weather-related outages.

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00:07:59.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.

00:08:05.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:08:08.000 I have studied Governor Siegelman's case when it first happened, and he's been vindicated.

00:08:19.000 It was a total setup.

00:08:21.000 I have studied James Traficant's case.

00:08:25.000 Absolutely set-up.

00:08:28.000 When they can persecute governors and congressmen, and put them in prison for no reason, and ruin them financially, When they can persecute a sitting governor or a sitting congressman, none of us are safe.

00:08:42.000 Like they tortured Congressman Hansen.

00:08:44.000 We, of course, came to his aid.

00:08:47.000 They dieseled him until his feet exploded, driving him around for weeks, chained up.

00:08:51.000 This is the type of Hanoi Hilton stuff that's going on.

00:08:54.000 I'm going to talk about what happened to Traffic Hampton Prison, why it was persecuted, The IRS, what he thinks of the event in Austin, what he's told me off air, if he wants to say that on air.

00:09:04.000 Then we'll talk about who targeted him for persecution and why.

00:09:10.000 How he's going to be the comeback kid, and hopefully our listeners will support him.

00:09:13.000 We're going to give you an address.

00:09:14.000 He didn't ask for this.

00:09:15.000 I did.

00:09:16.000 I just got his address for people to send him, not campaign money, he's going to run again as an independent, but to get him back on his feet so he can.

00:09:24.000 Because they've ruined him and sucked his treasure out of him so he can't defend himself.

00:09:29.000 If this ever happens to me, and unfortunately there's a good chance it will, when I get out of prison, I want people to support me.

00:09:35.000 I understand what happens.

00:09:35.000 I'm ready.

00:09:37.000 Okay, going back to James Traficant.

00:09:39.000 James, you got cut off by the break about how you were the number one true defender against the criminal IRS.

00:09:45.000 Go ahead.

00:09:46.000 Well, Ali, first I want to say is I know you said that maybe one day when you're off the air, maybe you might have a similar type of problem, but I want to say that this may be Maybe one of the best compliments you'll ever get.

00:09:58.000 I think you would have deserved that because you would have drawn the ire of a government that is completely out of control.

00:10:04.000 And I believe your voice is becoming that strong that, quite frankly, I'm going to give you a little bit of advice now.

00:10:09.000 Be very careful and watch yourself because you are having that kind of an effect.

00:10:13.000 And when people start and begin to have an effect, if it's not singing to the choir, it's a real problem.

00:10:19.000 But having said that, we were talking before about the Internal Revenue Service.

00:10:23.000 You know, I'm like everybody else in the country, seeing the headline news and the fiasco and the tragedy that struck Austin.

00:10:32.000 But you know, when you look at the Internal Revenue Service, they have evoked over the years fear.

00:10:38.000 Fear and abuse.

00:10:40.000 In fact, they've testified, Alex, before the Congress of the United States, that without fear, they wouldn't have their voluntary, quote-unquote, voluntary compliance.

00:10:48.000 Well, let me tell you something.

00:10:49.000 Fear has no place in the Constitution of the United States or in the fabric of American government.

00:10:55.000 And we've got a real problem.

00:10:57.000 Now, in 1998, I was the individual responsible for changing the burden of proof in a civil tax case.

00:11:04.000 As I said earlier, I want to tip my hat to a Texan, Mr. Bill Archer.

00:11:10.000 Mr. Bill Archer was the Republican Chairman of Ways and Means Committee.

00:11:14.000 And that the trafficking language was not in the bill, that reform bill, because the IRS had threatened a veto to President Clinton if it contained the trafficking language.

00:11:23.000 Well, after the bill passed the House, I got a call from Chairman Archer, and he said, you know, we have so much support for your bill, that he said he was going to put it into the conference committee between the House and the Senate, and he did.

00:11:35.000 And I honestly believe this, and I want the people of Texas who are listening to hear this, that I believe if President Bush Would have named Bill Archer, his Secretary of the Treasury of America, would not be in the fix with them today.

00:11:48.000 Now having said that, what the trafficking bill basically said was this, up until 98, Alex, you had an agency that says, Alex, you owe us $50,000.

00:11:57.000 And you say, my God, how could I owe you $50,000?

00:12:00.000 And they say, well, prove you don't, Alex.

00:12:02.000 The burden of proof you see was on the taxpayer.

00:12:05.000 The trafficking language changed that.

00:12:07.000 And in 98, when a bill passed, they did a study one year after the passage of the bill, Alex, and they compared one year before the passage to one year after the passage.

00:12:17.000 And there were three salient points of concern that were covered by their study.

00:12:23.000 The first one was wage garnishment.

00:12:25.000 When the burden of proof was on the taxpayer, there were 3.1 million Americans whose wages were garnished.

00:12:32.000 The following year, with the burden of proof on the Internal Revenue Service, that dropped to $561,000.

00:12:38.000 Three million less, Alex.

00:12:40.000 The second category was property liens.

00:12:43.000 There were 670,000 a year before, 161,000 a year after.

00:12:48.000 And the final category was individual family-owned homes that were seized, taken by the IRS.

00:12:54.000 The year before, when the taxpayer had the burden of proof, it was 10,073.

00:12:59.000 The year after, it was 57, Alex.

00:13:04.000 One per state when they had to prove it.

00:13:06.000 You see, one of the last measures that I had, and it really was upsetting, and Chairman Archer said he liked the bill.

00:13:14.000 Well, I teamed up with two Republicans, Billy Tozan of Louisiana and Dan Schaefer of Colorado, and it was the flat tax, the fair tax, a straight consumption tax.

00:13:28.000 And let me tell you something, it repeals the 16th Amendment and throws out the IRS.

00:13:34.000 It abolishes all withholding, all debt taxes, all capital gains taxes, corporate taxes.

00:13:41.000 Individual tax on expenses for education.

00:13:44.000 Investment tax.

00:13:46.000 And it's about time, Alex.

00:13:47.000 And what everybody's saying, well, you're going to put a 25% consumption tax on us trafficking, and you're going to bankrupt everybody with these cost increases.

00:13:56.000 Listen to this study that was performed in Harvard.

00:13:59.000 They said when you throw out this burdensome tax code that has destroyed companies and destroyed our competitiveness, they said they will have downward movement to gain market share.

00:14:08.000 Sounds like capitalism all over again.

00:14:10.000 And they predict that the prices would hardly raise, if at all.

00:14:15.000 And you'll have Social Security fully funded, Medicare fully funded, and you'll have the same neutral, if not more, revenue stream than we have now.

00:14:23.000 But the bottom line is, you see Alex, it's time to reward work.

00:14:28.000 Our tax code is basically a progressive communist tax code that was founded by Karl Marx.

00:14:34.000 And here's how it works.

00:14:35.000 The harder you work, the more you pay.

00:14:37.000 The harder you work, you get hit over the head.

00:14:40.000 We subsidize illegitimacy.

00:14:42.000 We reward dependency.

00:14:44.000 We kill investment.

00:14:46.000 We chase companies overseas.

00:14:47.000 These companies, they say they're not patriots because they left America.

00:14:51.000 The reason they left is the tax code has made it impossible to make a profit in America.

00:14:56.000 We've got to change it.

00:14:57.000 Scrap it.

00:14:58.000 Throw the Internal Revenue Service out.

00:14:59.000 Abolish the withholding.

00:15:01.000 And that's where we've got to go, Alex.

00:15:04.000 And let me say this briefly about this man in Texas.

00:15:07.000 From what I understand, he was not a wacko. 0.85

00:15:10.000 He had it.

00:15:12.000 And there's so many people that have it, it's not unusual to see him fencing at the Internal Revenue Service.

00:15:17.000 My God, Congress of the United States is derelict in their duties to not repeal the 16th Amendment, throw out individual personal tax, reward a man for his labor, not punish him.

00:15:29.000 And that's where we gotta go, Alex.

00:15:30.000 That's exactly where we gotta go. 0.98

00:15:32.000 Well, look at Geithner, and most of the White House don't pay their taxes, but then the news is saying, look at this tax cheat, Joe Stack, he's scum, but then the big boys, they don't even have to pay the tax. 0.98

00:15:46.000 Well, this is one of the problems. 0.96

00:15:47.000 You have selective enforcement in all areas.

00:15:49.000 First of all, we need a whole address to our central government.

00:15:54.000 This is the United States of America, not the central government of America.

00:15:59.000 And states, quite frankly, I like to become background music in a doctor's office.

00:16:03.000 And I think one of the biggest mistakes ever made was the amendment to the Constitution that provided for popular votes for the U.S.

00:16:13.000 Senate.

00:16:14.000 I know this might sound different off the beat, but it's like... No, we need the 17th Amendment back.

00:16:18.000 Here's what I'm saying.

00:16:19.000 We need to get rid of it.

00:16:21.000 Those two U.S. 0.99

00:16:23.000 Senators were beholding to the state legislature in their respective states.

00:16:26.000 If they didn't do what the states wanted, they replaced them.

00:16:29.000 Now you've got these Senators that are basically Senators for America.

00:16:33.000 We've lost states' rights.

00:16:35.000 We've taken away.

00:16:36.000 We've developed this big, central, powerful government that has molded us.

00:16:40.000 My God, we've got a tax code that has become a behavior modification for economic activity.

00:16:45.000 This is crazy, Alex.

00:16:47.000 And I think it's not rocket science.

00:16:48.000 There can be tremendous changes here.

00:16:51.000 And it's not change that's needed, it's replacement.

00:16:55.000 And I will make this statement on your show.

00:16:58.000 If the United States does not throw out the progressive income tax and replace it with a fair tax, America will implode similar to the Soviet Union.

00:17:09.000 It's just a matter of time with that debt approaching $14 trillion.

00:17:13.000 We can't satisfy.

00:17:14.000 We're nothing more than a managed debt economy nation.

00:17:22.000 This is powerful information, but I also want to get into your persecution, why you were persecuted, who was behind it.

00:17:27.000 Was it the Israeli lobby?

00:17:29.000 Was it the IRS?

00:17:30.000 Was it a combination?

00:17:31.000 We're going to break that down, and how if you can be persecuted like a heretic, this can happen to anybody. 0.88

00:17:37.000 But finishing up with the whole income tax, they're raising all these other state taxes, local taxes, federal taxes.

00:17:44.000 Everything's starting to go bankrupt.

00:17:46.000 Foreign banks are openly looting us.

00:17:50.000 Paulson can give $200 million of bailout money to himself and give himself a waiver, and then nobody even knows why James Trafficking went to jail, completely made up.

00:18:01.000 Same thing with governor in Alabama. 0.77

00:18:03.000 I mean, this is amazing.

00:18:05.000 But specifically, looking at this, how long do you think America has until it completely collapses if this out-of-control government continues?

00:18:15.000 I think I would say this.

00:18:18.000 I would say we, I can't predict the exact time, but I will say this.

00:18:23.000 I think it is inevitable, and I think it will be within the next generation, the next 20-25 years, where America will implode.

00:18:31.000 Certain states will move towards saving their own revenue and moving off on their own, maybe a compacted state.

00:18:37.000 I could see a state like Alaska with their own revenue stream, bigger than most of the countries in landmass over in Europe, saying, hey, we're on our own, guys.

00:18:46.000 And I could see this starting to happen.

00:18:48.000 I think Georgia legislature has advanced an initiative stating that they'll collect the federal tax, but they won't send it to Washington.

00:18:55.000 Let me just add, Congressman Travacant, that 30-plus states are moving to declare 9th and 10th Amendment powers, as you know.

00:18:55.000 Yes, sir.

00:19:04.000 And the federal government itself has been hijacked by offshore banks, and I think it's going to happen a lot sooner than just 20 years.

00:19:12.000 And so Northcom and Homeland Security, we got their internal Homeland Security documents a year ago.

00:19:16.000 We broke this.

00:19:17.000 We got it from law enforcement, where Homeland Security internally, they trained the police.

00:19:22.000 This is really to suppress the American people. 0.74

00:19:24.000 This is not about fighting Arabs in caves.

00:19:27.000 I think the headline that all Americans May expect.

00:19:27.000 No doubt.

00:19:33.000 I hope it doesn't happen, but God forbid it does.

00:19:36.000 They'll wake up one morning and they'll hear a conversation on your show, Alex, about the dollar crashing.

00:19:42.000 And when that dollar crashes, you will see an implosion in America.

00:19:45.000 You'll see civil uprisings.

00:19:47.000 You will see a massive hemorrhage of the institutions of United States of America.

00:19:52.000 See, nobody believes this can happen.

00:19:55.000 Everybody believes this is America.

00:19:56.000 This is not going to happen.

00:19:58.000 What people are failing to see is a tremendous lose weight with the federal government not basically meeting the needs of the American people.

00:20:06.000 And having said that, you asked me earlier, you know, what really happened to me?

00:20:10.000 You know, in 1983, I was the only American in history to defeat the Justice Department in a RICO trial, pro se, without being an attorney.

00:20:17.000 I was targeted ever since.

00:20:20.000 In the late 80s, I was instrumental in bringing back John Demonych from Israel, who was on trial, He was already convicted and sentenced to be executed.

00:20:31.000 No one would look into this man's case.

00:20:32.000 I looked into his case, and I discovered, and I was able to get documents from the Justice Department that not only proved he was innocent, Alex, but who Ivan the Terrible really was.

00:20:45.000 It was so blatant in America, the pressure that Israel, through their lobby, had put on me, and put on our government, that Congress wouldn't hold a hearing on my evidence, and the Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati wouldn't accept the trafficking evidence.

00:20:58.000 I send it over to the Israeli Supreme Court.

00:21:01.000 I did a live interview with Brian Gumbel on today's show by satellite from Jerusalem.

00:21:05.000 And I basically said, they put this innocent man to death.

00:21:08.000 Israel's going to lose upwards of $20 billion a year from the American taxpayers.

00:21:13.000 And Brian Gumbel jumped in, he says, well, what do you mean?

00:21:15.000 They only get $3 billion.

00:21:16.000 I said, Brian, that's only foreign aid.

00:21:18.000 No one's looking at loans.

00:21:20.000 Loans converted to grants.

00:21:21.000 Grants, economic assistance, military assistance.

00:21:24.000 And I am telling you that the American taxpayer is shipping over $25,000 for every man, woman, and child in Israel every year.

00:21:32.000 Well, I got a call the following night from the Supreme Court of Israel, and they said he'll be in Tel Aviv tomorrow night.

00:21:39.000 Take him home.

00:21:40.000 Here's a man on death row, Alex.

00:21:42.000 But when that happened, I had a bullseye on my back like you couldn't believe.

00:21:46.000 I had the IRS and the Justice Department already after me, and I had the most powerful lobby in America.

00:21:52.000 A lobby that controls much of the foreign policy of the United States.

00:21:56.000 Now, I'm being branded a bigot and anti-Semite for saying it, but let me tell you something.

00:22:00.000 There's only one entity that should control the Congress of the United States, and that's the American people.

00:22:07.000 And people won't even whisper the truth about what's going on behind the scenes in Washington.

00:22:12.000 The country's in a free fall, Alex.

00:22:14.000 We're in trouble.

00:22:15.000 Well I want to continue down this line because you had never been an enemy of Israel.

00:22:20.000 You simply defended an innocent man and even the Supreme Court looked at the evidence and let him go and now they've grabbed him again and hauled him away.

00:22:28.000 I mean it's just a complete and total witch hunt.

00:22:33.000 And now you have all these top professors coming out and pointing out that the Israeli lobby and Israeli newspapers brag that they control a lot of Congress.

00:22:42.000 And you have Rahm Emanuel in the White House, who's an Israeli government agent, was in their military in the Gulf War.

00:22:49.000 I mean, you're only saying what much of the evidence shows.

00:22:55.000 And I've always read, and experts of history have shown, that when you do beat the Justice Department, and they win, what, over 90% of their cases, they always come back, back, back, back, back, back.

00:23:07.000 So was it the IRS that you exposed that got them first coming after you, and then the icing on the cake was then getting an innocent man freed?

00:23:16.000 I think it was a combination of all three, but just remember this.

00:23:20.000 I was one of the most bitter enemies of the Justice Department and the Internal Revenue Service, and there's no kidding about that.

00:23:27.000 And I had a struggle, it took me 12 years, and let me say this, I've been a Democrat all my life.

00:23:31.000 The Democrats, I almost had a fist fight with Chairman Rosenkowski, wouldn't even hold a hearing on my burden of proof legislation.

00:23:38.000 When Republicans did come in, and I'll give credit to Bill Archer again.

00:23:43.000 There's a man that looked at the American taxpayer and he did something very significant.

00:23:47.000 And I want to thank him on behalf of all Americans.

00:23:49.000 I don't even know what happened to the old chairman.

00:23:51.000 I hope he's still alive down there in Texas.

00:23:53.000 He's a great man.

00:23:54.000 But Alex, I had a bullseye put on my back, but quite frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.

00:24:01.000 If you're afraid to speak out about your own country, what has happened to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights?

00:24:06.000 Why is everybody afraid to whisper what's going on?

00:24:09.000 Listen to the strong statement I use on your show, even though it has labeled me and hurt me politically.

00:24:14.000 Israel has a stranglehold on the United States of America. 0.94

00:24:18.000 They have us in foreign wars we shouldn't be involved with that have bankrupted us.

00:24:22.000 And they've gone so far as having Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon making a statement on Israeli radio, October 3, 2001, the following, We, comma, the Jewish people, comma, control America.

00:24:36.000 And the Americans know it.

00:24:38.000 And I read that in a newspaper in this country.

00:24:40.000 No one knows about it.

00:24:42.000 So maybe Jim Trafficant is going to be labeled.

00:24:44.000 But I think if we've got a problem, let's straighten our country out.

00:24:48.000 We don't have to hurt Israel.

00:24:49.000 They are a friend.

00:24:50.000 They're a democracy within a cluster of monarchs and dictators.

00:24:54.000 But we don't have to prosecute their expansion plans.

00:24:57.000 We don't have to get involved and be pushed into wars by Israel, manipulated by Israel. 0.81

00:25:01.000 And we shouldn't answer to nobody but the American people.

00:25:05.000 Well, look at Ron Paul.

00:25:07.000 I mean, he says cut off foreign aid to everybody.

00:25:09.000 We are going bankrupt, and they call him an anti-Semite, though he wants to cut it off to Africa, he wants to cut it off to Egypt, he wants to cut it off to Iraq.

00:25:17.000 We can't pay this bill anymore, and the fact that whenever somebody says, look, we need to stop being involved in all these wars, we need to stop doing this, and the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center Come out and attack me when I am mild on this because I'm just trying to bring everybody together to audit the Fed, to get the Federal Reserve out of here, to get the 17th Amendment overturned, to get rid of the income tax.

00:25:42.000 There's no doubt you get savaged when you even mildly criticize.

00:25:47.000 So I can't imagine what it's been like for you.

00:25:50.000 Let's briefly, because we're going to break here in about four minutes, Talk about what happened to you in prison, because, I mean, you're a tough guy.

00:25:57.000 You're not whining about it on air now, but they treated you like hell, I saw on the news.

00:26:02.000 Alex, the first place I went was 50% illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:26:06.000 And keep this in mind for the people of Texas, specifically.

00:26:09.000 Jim Travigan was a congressman who passed on the House floor, utilizing our soldiers on our border.

00:26:16.000 You know, regarding the borders in the Mideast, regarding borders all over the world, our troops are going for lunch over in Italy and going for the theater in Germany, and our borders are wide open.

00:26:26.000 I was labeled a bigot because here's my position on immigration, Alex.

00:26:30.000 Number one, let's put our troops on the border.

00:26:32.000 It's a national security check line. 0.81

00:26:34.000 And if you're in America illegally, you should be thrown the hell out. 1.00

00:26:37.000 Not given health care and given a false Well, that's what Mexico does to us. 1.00

00:26:41.000 Mexico treats American citizens like trash and shakes them down. 1.00

00:26:44.000 Hey, listen. 1.00

00:26:45.000 Here's the way I feel.

00:26:46.000 If you're an American citizen, I don't care what ethnic group you are, you're one of us. 0.99

00:26:50.000 But if you're not, you gotta be thrown the hell out of here now. 0.86

00:26:52.000 Both these parties are catering to a growing minority Hispanic vote.

00:26:57.000 It's getting larger in America.

00:26:58.000 It is larger than the black vote.

00:27:00.000 And both these parties are giving them everything they want.

00:27:02.000 Meanwhile, you've got a health care system out of control.

00:27:05.000 You've got approximately 15 million, truth be known, illegal immigrants consuming welfare and different programs in this country with falsified documents. 0.98

00:27:13.000 And neither party is dealing with it.

00:27:16.000 Congressman, let me stop you.

00:27:17.000 I got a guy that worked at Austin Energy here, and I already knew this, it's 800 plus sanctuary cities, but the illegals get a fake consular matricula, they pay a $200 down payment, or $250 depending on the size of the contract, to get their power and light turned on, then they never pay the bill, he said over 90% of the time, and then a new matricula comes up in six months when they turn the power off, and they were told in Austin Energy meetings, let them not pay, And it's the same thing.

00:27:45.000 Drunk drivers, they get let go. 0.99

00:27:47.000 Everything, but citizens are scum and trash. 1.00

00:27:50.000 And so the average illegal is on three or four different welfare lines. 1.00

00:27:54.000 Alex, it's so out of hand that it's a joke and it takes me to the National Health Care Bill.

00:27:59.000 My God, America needs a health care bill, but there's deserving people who need some assistance.

00:28:04.000 But you've got about 15 million illegal immigrants who are going to be involved in this thing and the American people are bankrupted. 0.99

00:28:10.000 We've already destroyed companies and thrown them out.

00:28:13.000 It's driven them away.

00:28:13.000 We're going to destroy more.

00:28:15.000 I don't think there's any common sense right now in Washington, and I think Washington is manipulated and Washington is obstructed by outside forces and being very much manipulated.

00:28:26.000 But having said that, let me get back to the prison. 0.85

00:28:28.000 The first place I went to, Alex, I had 50% illegal immigrants, and they knew that I was the guy that said, throw them the hell out. 1.00

00:28:34.000 I slept with one eye open. 0.77

00:28:35.000 The next thing you know...

00:28:37.000 I'm at a medium high, which was known as a gladiator school up in Raybrook.

00:28:41.000 People getting cut and hurt every particular day.

00:28:43.000 There was a counselor in the system, I won't say where, that told me when I first went in.

00:28:48.000 He said, listen, my mother's your biggest fan.

00:28:51.000 Be careful, they want you to get hurt.

00:28:53.000 The next thing you know, I'm at a medium high, and the truth be known, one more little infraction, I'd be at a penitentiary.

00:29:00.000 A penitentiary!

00:29:01.000 And the reason I end up in Rochester is they told me that I had a corkscrew aorta.

00:29:07.000 And they told me I had his corkscrew aorta and I would not take medication, Alex, because I didn't trust them.

00:29:12.000 And I end up in Rochester, and then they said I didn't have a corkscrew aorta.

00:29:19.000 Let me tell you something, I believe that our government was hoping I would have died in prison and would not have come out.

00:29:26.000 Okay, Congressman, Congressman, we got a break.

00:29:28.000 Come back right there and continue with the saga of your years of imprisonment.

00:29:35.000 And we will continue breaking down why you were persecuted and now your comeback kid status.

00:29:43.000 We want today to get people to support you, get you back on your feet, and launch as an independent.

00:29:49.000 Because you certainly are.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

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00:33:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, get your pens and papers ready.

00:33:09.000 I'm going to give you James Traficant's address if you want to support him.

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00:34:16.000 If you want to support Mr. Trafficant so he can get back on his feet and then get justice and go after the criminals that put him in prison, But that's how they bankrupt you, so you can't defend yourself.

00:34:31.000 It's 429, 429 North Main Street.

00:34:35.000 429 North Main Street.

00:34:37.000 And that's Poland, like the country.

00:34:40.000 429 North Main Street.

00:34:41.000 Poland, Ohio.

00:34:45.000 44514.

00:34:45.000 So, here's the address again.

00:34:47.000 429 North Main Street, Poland, Ohio, 44514.

00:34:55.000 And I've studied his case.

00:34:56.000 I've also studied Governor Don Siegelman's case.

00:35:00.000 And back in the time when they railroaded him, we looked at him.

00:35:02.000 So this is completely staged.

00:35:03.000 Turned out, U.S.

00:35:04.000 prosecutors that worked for Karl Rove, he ordered it.

00:35:07.000 They've testified to this now.

00:35:09.000 Get him.

00:35:09.000 They kept coming after him.

00:35:11.000 Investigation after investigation.

00:35:12.000 All made up.

00:35:13.000 Lying.

00:35:14.000 Then they threatened to indict one of his employees for something totally separate outside the Capitol.

00:35:19.000 And said, lie about him.

00:35:20.000 We won't send you to prison.

00:35:22.000 Basically, same thing happened to Mr. Traficant, Don Siegelman.

00:35:26.000 Now, he got out after nine months and has been vindicated and has admitted it was a fraud.

00:35:30.000 He was going to serve a decade, not with Traficant. 0.85

00:35:33.000 He was there seven and a half years and they told him, and he'll talk about this in a moment, anytime you say you're guilty, we'll let you go.

00:35:40.000 Now, so first they try to pull some medical scams on him.

00:35:44.000 They put him in with the illegal aliens. 0.98

00:35:46.000 They put him into gladiator school, medium, maximum security, high security.

00:35:51.000 Continue, Congressman Traficant, with what happened to you in prison.

00:35:55.000 Well, at some particular point, you know, you made the statement that you have to stand on your own two feet.

00:36:00.000 You have to be prepared for almost anything.

00:36:03.000 And I had an awful lot of enemies in the prison system, and I didn't know exactly who or how someone might come at you.

00:36:11.000 So you sleep with one eye open, Alex.

00:36:13.000 The bottom line was that I not only did that, I developed what I considered to be a firm resolve.

00:36:20.000 And one thing Nelson Mandela said, you never really know a country unless you go through their prison system.

00:36:25.000 And that's one thing he was exactly right about.

00:36:27.000 You see the other side of the United States of America, we've got such crippling problems.

00:36:32.000 But I survived.

00:36:33.000 I was not afraid to survive.

00:36:35.000 I told them where they could shove that pardon, because I certainly wasn't going to admit to something that I didn't do.

00:36:41.000 But very few people know is that before that trial, the Northern District Court, Federal Court System of Ohio, passed a rule that if you got a judge from a particular area, you got a jury from that area.

00:36:54.000 And it would become the Trafficking Rule.

00:36:56.000 Because basically, nobody in my congressional district was eligible to serve on my jury.

00:37:01.000 Second of all, the judge made my witnesses testify in open court under the threat of perjury to her outside the presence of a jury, and they told her the truth!

00:37:13.000 No one was charged with perjury, but she did not allow them to testify to the jury.

00:37:19.000 And four of those people said that of the seven people who testified against me, they had admitted to somebody close or whomever who had confided in me that they lied so they wouldn't go to prison themselves or have their wife indicted or their kids indicted or their company taken away, etc., etc.

00:37:36.000 Four of the seven.

00:37:37.000 She didn't allow it to go to the jury.

00:37:39.000 Now we find out after the trial was over one of the key witnesses against me, who was He perjured himself in my trial because he was caught perjuring himself in a previous trial that the judge's husband had a relationship, business-wise, with that family.

00:37:55.000 I mean, this thing, it was so abusive that it speaks out, but when you're the number one target of the Justice Department, the number one target of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, Alex, you have nowhere to turn.

00:38:08.000 You've got to stand on your own two feet and hopefully outlive it and come back and try and do what you can about it.

00:38:14.000 Now, Congressman, let's break this down, though.

00:38:17.000 The type of threats you got when you were in Congress and how you got set up.

00:38:22.000 There's this crisis of confidence now.

00:38:25.000 Because police all over the country, in every major city of Texas, just as an example, have been caught planting drugs on people to take their property.

00:38:34.000 It's now standard procedure.

00:38:35.000 They admit they have informants lie on the stand about political enemies they have.

00:38:41.000 I mean, they can put anybody they want in prison, but the public now knows it's a fraud.

00:38:46.000 It's like the death penalty.

00:38:48.000 I'm for the death penalty at a grassroots level if they catch somebody who's murdered a kid.

00:38:52.000 The problem is more than a third of those on death row has been proven with DNA or totally innocent.

00:38:57.000 We know that the system is so corrupt you can't trust anything they say or do.

00:39:02.000 So, but briefly, because I remember seeing it in the news, the hell in the seven and a half years, I know as a man you don't like to talk about what happened to you, you just want to be tough and ignore it, but people need to know the type of persecution.

00:39:14.000 I mean, tell us more what happened in prison.

00:39:17.000 Well, you're under constant threat.

00:39:19.000 With me, I did months and months after end in the hole in isolation.

00:39:25.000 Hold on a minute.

00:39:26.000 Let's go back over this.

00:39:27.000 So explain it.

00:39:28.000 They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, I don't like your attitude, boy.

00:39:35.000 I couldn't tell you their names.

00:39:36.000 Hold on a minute.

00:39:38.000 Let's go back over this.

00:39:39.000 So explain it.

00:39:40.000 They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, "I don't like your attitude, boy.

00:39:48.000 You're going to spend how long in the hole?" Well, they find out or use little maneuvers that they have.

00:39:55.000 I believe I spent close to seven months in the hole over a period of time.

00:40:00.000 And in the hole means that you get to get a shower every second day, three times a week.

00:40:06.000 You get to go out one hour a day.

00:40:08.000 And to tell you the truth, Alex, I never left the place.

00:40:11.000 I became very hardened.

00:40:13.000 I think that they looked at me and they said, this guy is very hard, because I didn't give a damn about anything.

00:40:18.000 I forfeited my life.

00:40:20.000 If I survived, I'd do what I had to do.

00:40:23.000 But I wasn't going to buckle down.

00:40:24.000 I wasn't going to be intimidated.

00:40:26.000 Stood my ground, did what I had to do.

00:40:28.000 But like I said, I could have had a pardon.

00:40:30.000 But there's no way I was going to make admission to something that I didn't do.

00:40:34.000 And I want all your listeners to listen to this very carefully.

00:40:37.000 Six-year investigation.

00:40:38.000 Fifteen million dollars.

00:40:40.000 Over 250 agents.

00:40:42.000 And they said they didn't make any tapes on Jim Traffickin.

00:40:46.000 Didn't bug my telephone.

00:40:47.000 Now a Secret Service agent has come out, retired, Mike Robertson, and made the following statement.

00:40:52.000 He said Traffickin was certainly railroaded.

00:40:54.000 He said they had no physical evidence.

00:40:56.000 He said they bugged that guy to death.

00:40:58.000 They had people go to him with body mics.

00:41:00.000 He said anybody in their right mind knows that.

00:41:02.000 He said the reason the government voluntarily made that admission in court is because Traffickin could have subpoenaed all of their tapes and said, where's the crime?

00:41:12.000 I want your listeners to remember this.

00:41:14.000 They said they made no tapes, didn't bug my telephone or anything for six years now.

00:41:20.000 If you believe that, I got some property down in Florida.

00:41:23.000 I think somebody wants to tell you.

00:41:24.000 Well, sir, you've been vindicated and that's all over the press.

00:41:27.000 I mean, you have officially been vindicated like Governor Siegelman, but he only got nine months.

00:41:32.000 You got seven and a half years and got financially ruined.

00:41:34.000 How are you going to come back at him?

00:41:37.000 Here's where we are Alex.

00:41:38.000 Right now there's a man in Washington D.C.

00:41:39.000 all these other witnesses against you recanting that it was done under pressure.

00:41:43.000 You've got to get on the attack in my estimation, or correct me if I'm wrong, or they're going to try to set you up again.

00:41:50.000 Here's where we are, Ellie.

00:41:51.000 Right now, there's a man in Washington, D.C. that was pressured to lie against me.

00:41:56.000 He's a brilliant man, Richard Detour.

00:41:58.000 He could fly any aircraft, and he's a brilliant engineer.

00:42:02.000 And the government wanted him to be a witness against me because he was very intelligent, very credible.

00:42:06.000 And they wanted him to say that he saw a businessman give me an envelope with money, thousands of dollars, in my office.

00:42:13.000 And he basically said, I won't do that.

00:42:15.000 I know, Jim, if he's done something wrong, go after him, but I'm not going to lie.

00:42:19.000 They come back to him later, and they pressured him to say that he was standing outside the door, and he heard the transaction.

00:42:24.000 He said, I just won't do it.

00:42:26.000 Now, his attorney that he had was a former U.S.

00:42:28.000 attorney who was pressuring him along with the government.

00:42:31.000 So he fired that attorney, and they indicted him to keep him out of my case.

00:42:35.000 The bottom line is, here's how egregious it was.

00:42:40.000 When they brought the witness to testify against me in trial, he stated that he gave me the money in an automobile in Youngstown, Ohio.

00:42:48.000 But the government is clearly on record now, clearly on record as trying to pressure Richard Detour to say that he saw the transaction in my office.

00:42:58.000 And it was the prosecutor who was doing this.

00:43:00.000 By the way, the prosecutor's now working for some insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, and everybody's scared to death of what happened because they know.

00:43:08.000 I'm not afraid to speak my mind.

00:43:10.000 Well, let's stop there for a second, former Congressman James Travacan.

00:43:13.000 I'm sure you're aware of Don Siegelman's case.

00:43:16.000 It's even 60 Minutes reported it was all a stage deal.

00:43:19.000 The majority of these former state attorneys, U.S. attorneys, came out and said it was a fraud.

00:43:24.000 A bunch of Republicans came to his aid, even though he's a Democrat.

00:43:26.000 They, it's now admitted, ordered one of his.

00:43:30.000 his aides to lie and say he saw the check the same thing and it turned out that was a complete lie.

00:43:37.000 So this is, and it's now been confirmed, Karl Rove ordered this.

00:43:41.000 I mean, do you know specifically in the U.S. Attorney's Office who gave the orders to set you up?

00:43:48.000 Yes, I do.

00:43:48.000 I don't know who exactly did it, but it was supervised by Michael Chertoff, who they rewarded him, making him head of Homeland Security was over it, And they made the prosecutor, in my case, number two man in the Justice Department, right underneath Gonzalez.

00:44:01.000 He was Deputy Attorney General there, until this thing hit with the fellow in Nigeria, and now the fellow in Washington, D.C., who spent a million and a half dollars.

00:44:10.000 He was acquitted in about 45 minutes because his attorney called him and pressured him, his own attorney.

00:44:17.000 Trying to encourage him to lie for the U.S.

00:44:20.000 government against me.

00:44:21.000 And what he did is he had a retired Navy captain who worked with him, listening on the other end of the phone.

00:44:28.000 And he then went ahead and did an affidavit.

00:44:30.000 If you read the affidavit, you'd get sick to your stomach, Alex.

00:44:33.000 Terms like this, there's no reward for honesty, Richard.

00:44:36.000 They're going to get to the guy.

00:44:38.000 Why throw yourself in the mix?

00:44:40.000 You didn't do anything.

00:44:41.000 They'll have to indict you or do something to you.

00:44:43.000 So just go ahead and tell them what they want to hear.

00:44:44.000 They're going to get trafficking. 0.64

00:44:45.000 Just go ahead and do what they want, Richard.

00:44:47.000 This is what I'm up against.

00:44:50.000 Now, let me tell you what.

00:44:51.000 Here's the difference between me and Sigelman.

00:44:55.000 60 Minutes come in and did a story on Sigelman.

00:44:58.000 I'm going to tell it right the way it is.

00:45:00.000 When you're the number one target of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, 60 Minutes don't have anything good to say about you.

00:45:07.000 Now that's putting the hay where the goats can reach it, Alex.

00:45:11.000 Well, let's talk more about that.

00:45:13.000 Were you warned when you... I didn't have this powerful Jewish animus against me.

00:45:18.000 I think I'd be a very rich man for what they did.

00:45:21.000 But I'm still the top target of Israel. 0.97

00:45:23.000 Quite frankly, I think they're delaying that trial over there in Germany because they do not want me to testify over there in Germany.

00:45:30.000 They're hoping that old man will die in Germany.

00:45:34.000 Well, let's expand on this Israel situation.

00:45:37.000 Let's go through from the start.

00:45:39.000 When did you first get on the Israeli lobby's radar?

00:45:43.000 Were there back-channel threats to you in Congress?

00:45:46.000 Did they warn you to back off first?

00:45:48.000 What happened?

00:45:48.000 Well, first of all, right when I was running, they tried to get me $10,000 cash.

00:45:52.000 I told them, you keep your money and I'll keep my vote.

00:45:55.000 So I think I was targeted before I ever walked down there.

00:45:58.000 Second of all, I tried to cut foreign aid every year for everybody.

00:46:02.000 I was asked a couple times to exempt Israel, and I said I wouldn't do that, and I never could pass any cuts.

00:46:07.000 I worked hard to try, and you know, we have people sleeping on steel grates, and we're sending money overseas.

00:46:11.000 Don't make much sense to me.

00:46:13.000 But finally, it became that demonetization.

00:46:16.000 I was called a Nazi supporter.

00:46:19.000 I suffered great... How did you get involved in the case?

00:46:22.000 They came to me, Alex, because they knew they were from Cleveland.

00:46:25.000 They knew the government hated me.

00:46:27.000 And they came to me last.

00:46:28.000 They said no one would even talk with them.

00:46:31.000 In fact, I was in the office overhearing the conversation outside.

00:46:35.000 And they said we come to the gym last because no one will talk to us.

00:46:39.000 And we didn't want to come to the gym.

00:46:41.000 We know the government hates them.

00:46:42.000 But we have no one to look into our plate.

00:46:45.000 And he says, you know, and I never forget the son.

00:46:47.000 I heard the son say, look, I never had a speeding ticket.

00:46:50.000 I can't talk to an elected representative.

00:46:52.000 My father's not asking to talk to him.

00:46:54.000 I'm asking, what the hell's going on here?

00:46:56.000 I said, send that young man in to me.

00:46:58.000 And when I did that, Alex, my staff told me almost verbatim, if you get involved in this case, you are finished as a congressman.

00:47:09.000 You're already on the hit list for your cutting foreign aid.

00:47:12.000 You get involved with this case.

00:47:14.000 Now, what the newspaper didn't print, they all printed, trafficking supports Nazi mass murder. 0.73

00:47:19.000 What they didn't print was what I told the family.

00:47:22.000 When they came in, I said, look, your father's been convicted of mass murder.

00:47:25.000 If he is guilty, I could truly go over and pull the switch.

00:47:28.000 But I believe you should be able to at least state your case to somebody in government, and it should have been your own congressmen, your own senators.

00:47:36.000 They said no one would talk to them.

00:47:38.000 I got involved, and what I found out, Alex, that he was not Ivan.

00:47:41.000 Well, let me stop you.

00:47:42.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:47:43.000 Think about this.

00:47:44.000 You're a congressman.

00:47:46.000 This guy is supposedly a kangaroo court convicted Nazi, and of course, the Supreme Court of Israel said, actually, it's the wrong guy.

00:47:52.000 It agreed with you.

00:47:54.000 So, why would you get into something this dangerous unless you had a sense of justice?

00:47:58.000 So, you began to look at the case.

00:47:59.000 What was there?

00:48:01.000 Well, I started to get... I was known in Congress for For taking a look at things objectively, and people were not afraid to confide in me.

00:48:09.000 Before long, I started to get whistleblower activity.

00:48:12.000 And the whistleblower type of things I got led me to certain conclusions.

00:48:15.000 And I moved with a Freedom of Information Act request on Demonik, and they just kept throwing it in file 13 and saying, classify, classify, classify.

00:48:24.000 And what I did is basically trick them, Alex.

00:48:28.000 I started to look around and I researched, was there ever anybody tried for war crimes who was located at that Treblinka Poland concentration camp?

00:48:36.000 And there was a man from Chicago, a Ukrainian, who ended up coming to the Chicago area by the name of Fyodor Fedorenko.

00:48:43.000 He was tried for war crimes in America, at Treblinka, and was acquitted in America.

00:48:48.000 Alex, he then went to visit his family in Ukraine, relieved of all the pressure.

00:48:52.000 He was picked up by the KGB, tried over there, and executed.

00:48:56.000 What I did is I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request on Fedorenko.

00:49:00.000 And with that, I got documents from the State Department.

00:49:03.000 And he looked just like the other guy.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:06.000 Well, no, I got the documents I got from the State Department, was in response to a request for information from one of our agents, Justice Department agents over in Germany years ago, maybe 25 years ago.

00:49:19.000 And it had on the bottom, Alex, it said they had another 100 pages in the file.

00:49:24.000 I immediately got on the phone.

00:49:26.000 And I called and got a Mrs. Poindexter.

00:49:28.000 That's because they took all my files and everything.

00:49:30.000 And I said, this man's been dead for a number of years.

00:49:33.000 He's not classified.

00:49:34.000 I want those 100 pages.

00:49:36.000 And that woman sent them to me. 0.98

00:49:37.000 And Alex, when he came over, it had testimony of trials of everybody who identified Ivan the Terrible as a man named Ivan Marchenko.

00:49:45.000 But the big thing was there was a photograph in there of two Nazis.

00:49:49.000 And the guy identified the photograph as follows.

00:49:52.000 He said, the small man on the right is Tachuk with the pistol. 0.65

00:49:55.000 The tall man on the left is Ivan Grozny.

00:49:58.000 The man the Jewish prisoners feared the most, Ivan Marchenko.

00:50:03.000 Now, I had this, and I went on the house floor.

00:50:06.000 And I said, Ivan the Terrible is a man named Ivan Marchenko.

00:50:10.000 And when you ever hear the Justice Department make a response, that night they put out a press release.

00:50:14.000 His name is even Ivan!

00:50:15.000 And the only thing is he looked a little similar to the guy living in Ohio.

00:50:20.000 Not really.

00:50:21.000 When you hear this, the Justice Department went public and said there were two Ivans.

00:50:28.000 Now you know what I said is that he sure wasn't a swing ship.

00:50:31.000 And then I showed the photograph.

00:50:33.000 When that happened, everything went underground.

00:50:36.000 The Justice Department shut up.

00:50:37.000 Next thing you know, I'm over in Israel.

00:50:40.000 And I think it became a real issue.

00:50:41.000 I gotta give credit to the Israeli Supreme Court.

00:50:44.000 The Israeli Supreme Court looked at the evidence that take this man home.

00:50:47.000 But see, that's the issue.

00:50:49.000 The Israeli Supreme Court says he's innocent.

00:50:51.000 You have the secret files.

00:50:53.000 It proves it.

00:50:54.000 Meanwhile, the American-Israeli groups after you.

00:50:56.000 Stay there, Congressman.

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00:54:03.000 I've been sipping it out.

00:54:07.000 Didn't take no chance.

00:54:11.000 Was a prisoner of doubt.

00:54:15.000 Bob Chapman, the International Forecaster, is coming up at the 8 after next hour.

00:54:20.000 Former congressman James Travaganti will be with us another five minutes in the next hour and he says he wants to come back.

00:54:25.000 We really appreciate his courage.

00:54:26.000 I've studied him.

00:54:27.000 I've looked at what he's done.

00:54:28.000 I looked at why he took the case of the supposed camp guard.

00:54:32.000 Turned out it was just all lies.

00:54:34.000 And the government knows that.

00:54:35.000 The Israeli Supreme Court ruled that.

00:54:37.000 Why did the Israelis tell the truth about this, but then in America the Israeli lobby came after you?

00:54:44.000 Is it two different groups or one different group?

00:54:46.000 I mean, you were telling me during the break you think this is all going to hurt Israel and that's not what you want?

00:54:51.000 No, absolutely not.

00:54:52.000 I think I've been branded as anti-Semite and quite frankly, I am a supporter of Israel.

00:54:59.000 A supporter of Israel when they're doing what's right.

00:55:00.000 When they do something wrong, I'm not going to be remiss here and not mention it.

00:55:04.000 I believe that they have undue control of our government.

00:55:07.000 But I'd like to say this, to start with.

00:55:10.000 The Israeli Supreme Court gave a lesson in justice to the United States of America.

00:55:15.000 This was the most controversial case, perhaps in Israeli history, one of them.

00:55:20.000 And they looked at the evidence, Alex, and they said, take him home.

00:55:24.000 Now, what everybody doesn't know, Alex, is that our government went back and wanted Israel to prosecute Dominic again on this other charge, and the Israeli Supreme Court would not allow it.

00:55:37.000 So let's give kudos where it's due.

00:55:39.000 Let's give it to Israel and their Supreme Court.

00:55:42.000 Okay, so then how does the Supreme Court of Israel agree with you and the government files that prove it 100%?

00:55:48.000 Why is AIPAC putting you in prison?

00:55:51.000 Well, I think it's...

00:55:53.000 Once you're targeted, and they fired a woman in 1990 or 1991, I don't know if you remember this Alex, a top-ranking woman. 0.60

00:56:06.000 Politicians, they wanted to get rid of it.

00:56:07.000 Jim Trafficking was the number one target in the world.

00:56:11.000 And I think it was because the way I handled that case, no one would help me.

00:56:15.000 And I went to the House floor, and I dramatically presented the case on behalf of Dominic and his family.

00:56:21.000 And I believe that I riled up many, many of the people, whether they felt that just the fact that I looked into this case, that no one should look into it, I had to have some anti-semite blood. 0.87

00:56:31.000 This is what they said.

00:56:31.000 And now Germany's hauled this guy off, he's on the death's doorstep.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, I think they're holding and delaying this, because I firmly believe that they do not want me over in Germany to speak out on this issue.

00:56:45.000 I think they're holding this case up, holding that the old man will die over there.

00:56:49.000 But what a shame!

00:56:50.000 He was not guilty, Alex.

00:56:53.000 Bottom line.

00:56:53.000 And let me say this, when you allow one citizen's rights to be trampled, you endanger the rights of all Americans.

00:57:00.000 What the hell is wrong with us?

00:57:02.000 What have we come to?

00:57:03.000 What have we turned into here, Alex?

00:57:05.000 Well that's why I support you because I mean I looked at the facts and you've been persecuted a lot worse than Siegelman and he's been vindicated.

00:57:13.000 You've been vindicated as well but not... What comes next?

00:57:16.000 I mean how do you go after these guys?

00:57:19.000 Do you sue people?

00:57:20.000 Do you call for new investigations?

00:57:21.000 What do you do?

00:57:22.000 I really don't have any strength to do that, but this fella in Washington, D.C., this Richard Detour, may file suit.

00:57:27.000 If he does, I will then back up into that suit as well.

00:57:31.000 It's going to be a long, hard struggle, but I think that there's so many revelations to do that it's going to surprise an awful lot of people.

00:57:39.000 But right now, I'm looking politically.

00:57:41.000 I'm looking at politically not just for vengeance, but looking politically because I think America needs somebody to speak out on what the hell's going wrong, who's not afraid to speak out, who's not controlled by their party.

00:57:52.000 I think too many of the politicians today have allegiance to the party.

00:57:56.000 Allegiance should be to the American people.

00:57:58.000 And so you're planning to run as an independent?

00:57:59.000 Give us the battle plan.

00:58:00.000 independent and it's the Democrat area my chances aren't great I'll be quite honest as an independent, but I just don't see I can't see anybody following Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid into battle and Bobby damn beam me up if I'm going to be involved in that party But but I mean why not use the machinery like Ron Paul does and use their machinery you would still be an independent It would be impossible for me to do that I

00:58:27.000 I would be so, so castigated here.

00:58:30.000 I have to basically run as an independent.

00:58:33.000 It would be hypocritical for me to run now as a Democrat with the positions I've taken.

00:58:38.000 Okay, we got a break.

00:58:39.000 One minute, sir.

00:58:40.000 Stay there.

00:58:40.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

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01:00:04.000 Big Brother.

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01:00:09.000 You want answers?

01:00:10.000 Well, so does he.

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01:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:21.000 Well, he doesn't do a lot of interviews.

01:00:23.000 He did a big one on Fox News, as you know, a while back.

01:00:26.000 It sent shockwaves across the country.

01:00:28.000 But he's been on with us for an hour, and he says he'll come back soon.

01:00:31.000 We're very thankful.

01:00:32.000 James Traficant, I was asking you during that one-minute break, former congressman, Other key points, and you brought up the fact that you have people in Washington that are telling you you are being watched, and that there was a big secret investigation about the Denomiate case, but it was about how the traffic can't get the info.

01:00:50.000 Yes, what I brought them on was that the big investigation didn't center about You know how they suborned perjury to ruin this man's life, and this was a capital offense.

01:00:59.000 They're going to put the death penalty. 1.00

01:01:01.000 It wasn't about how they withheld evidence about how they violated civil rights.

01:01:06.000 It was how did trafficking get this information?

01:01:09.000 Imagine that, folks.

01:01:10.000 I mean, it's unbelievable some of the things you hear.

01:01:14.000 I just worked very hard.

01:01:15.000 I just put my nose to the grindstone and kept going and that's about it.

01:01:19.000 That's all you can do, Alex.

01:01:21.000 But I'll tell you something.

01:01:22.000 We've got a real problem.

01:01:24.000 No one should fear our government.

01:01:26.000 The government, if anybody, they should be fearing the American people.

01:01:29.000 American people are the government. 0.80

01:01:31.000 And we've got this thing so convoluted and messed up.

01:01:34.000 It's really a crime shame and it's got to be changed.

01:01:38.000 We also need to thank your wife in all of this, Patricia.

01:01:43.000 Travacant, she stood beside you, you stood beside her.

01:01:46.000 And for better and worse, and people, if they do write checks to try to get you guys back on your feet to the address, they need to address those you were telling me to Patricia Travacant, 429 North Main Street, Poland, Ohio, 44514.

01:02:04.000 Congressman, we've got about three minutes left, and you were going to give me a liner for the show about...

01:02:11.000 You know, Alec, I've gotten volumes of mail all through the seven and a half years, and one of the reasons I got them is people followed my little one-minute speeches.

01:02:20.000 And I just didn't do them to the grandstand.

01:02:22.000 I made salient points during that time and dramatized things that I think had to be made.

01:02:27.000 But I became known for the statement, beam me up.

01:02:30.000 And basically I just said beam me up because there's no intelligent life here, but here's what I'd like to say to the Alex You don't need to be beamed up.

01:02:40.000 Jim Travigan doesn't need to be beamed up on Alex Jones Show because there is an intelligent audience there and there is a message coming out that's educating that audience.

01:02:51.000 And believe me when I say this, if more people were listening to Alex, And could listen to Alex.

01:02:58.000 I think you'd see a direct and intended change in some of these misdirected policies that are coming out of Washington.

01:03:04.000 So misdirected and absurd that if you threw them at the ground, they'd probably miss.

01:03:07.000 So there's no need to beam me up here in Austin, Texas.

01:03:11.000 There's intelligent life in Austin, Texas.

01:03:13.000 And before I leave again, I want to say I don't know what happened to Chairman Archer, Bill Archer, but Alex, I want you to run him down, I want you to find him, and I want you to say that Jim Travigan said, thank you, on behalf of the American people.

01:03:28.000 Absolutely.

01:03:29.000 We've got about a minute left here.

01:03:31.000 What's the time frame for the election for people to start getting behind you in Ohio?

01:03:36.000 Well, that means I'll be on the ballot in the November election, but I have to get signatures signed, I have to get petitions signed up until May the 3rd.

01:03:44.000 I need a couple thousand signatures here, and it's going to be an uphill struggle.

01:03:48.000 I'm not supported by any newspaper, any political party, any entity of anything.

01:03:52.000 It's an uphill struggle, but you know what?

01:03:56.000 I've had it.

01:03:58.000 And maybe get back to where we started.

01:04:04.000 And we're going to get some domains and just give them to you to make sure whoever the volunteer is doesn't just get a domain and keep it. 0.96

01:04:10.000 We've already grabbed some domains.

01:04:11.000 We're going to give them to you.

01:04:13.000 You need to get a volunteer to build you a nice website with PayPal buttons, the rest of it.

01:04:17.000 Get everybody doing these petitions now because we do need you in Congress to counterbalance all the offshore corporate forces.

01:04:25.000 And others that are doing this.

01:04:27.000 And thank you so much, former Congressman James Traficant, for your courage.

01:04:31.000 And we're all praying for you and we're glad they weren't able to kill you or break your will in prison.

01:04:36.000 And it seems you've come out even stronger on the other side.

01:04:39.000 Well, Alex, thank you for having me on your show.

01:04:41.000 You've got a great show.

01:04:42.000 You get a great message to the people.

01:04:44.000 I think if I could leave anything there, I'd just say tune in to Alex's show, and I hope you get more coverage around the country.

01:04:51.000 I think they need to hear a rational voice like yours.

01:04:54.000 So thanks for having me, Alex, and good luck.

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01:08:02.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:08:09.000 We are live now eight minutes into the second hour on this 25th day of February 2010.

01:08:15.000 It is Thursday.

01:08:18.000 Websites are InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

01:08:20.000 For the rest of the hour we are joined by attorney Philip J. Berg, a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, former candidate for governor of the U.S.

01:08:30.000 Senate in Democratic primaries, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA, and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.

01:08:42.000 Phil is a paid live member of the NAACP and voluntary fire police for 27 years.

01:08:49.000 His website is obamacrimes.com.

01:08:53.000 And we've had Jerome Corsi on about this day one, a year and a half ago, two years ago now, but the first person to really research this, because he was concerned about it, back when it was in the Democratic primaries, I guess almost two years ago, or two years ago, yeah, almost two years ago, was Phil Byrd.

01:09:10.000 And he just asked the question.

01:09:12.000 I mean, we know this guy's name was Barry Sitaro.

01:09:14.000 We know he lived in foreign countries.

01:09:16.000 We know he went to Madrasas.

01:09:18.000 We're not saying that's a bad thing to go to Madrasas.

01:09:20.000 The point is, the media would say it's a wild conspiracy theory.

01:09:23.000 His name wasn't Barry Sitaro.

01:09:25.000 Then they sealed all his records.

01:09:26.000 No, his name was Barry Sitaro.

01:09:28.000 That's now admitted.

01:09:29.000 The point is, they're lying about things that are admitted.

01:09:32.000 Then we got a certificate of a birth certificate.

01:09:35.000 But more and more, and this is what I've always focused on, it's the fake names.

01:09:41.000 And it's being adopted in Indonesia because there's only a few countries like England and Israel and a few others where you can have dual citizenship and still be allowed to be a U.S.

01:09:56.000 citizen, much less the president.

01:09:59.000 And now Glenn Beck is attacking Berg every week.

01:10:05.000 And again, I'm tired of going after Glenn Beck.

01:10:07.000 It's just, he was in the news saying global warming was real in USA Today, Sunday, on the weekend edition.

01:10:14.000 I've seen him put Phil Berg next to Van Jones, and then next to Debra Medina, and say all these people are bad.

01:10:22.000 I mean, just incredible behavior.

01:10:26.000 So that tells me they're desperate if now mainline talk show host, not just Beck, but other big Republicans, are attacking Phil Berg.

01:10:37.000 In my experience, Phil Berg is somebody who wants the truth.

01:10:39.000 Yes, he called for an investigation of 9-11 and the deadly dust, just like six of the ten commissioner members did.

01:10:45.000 So he gets demonized for that.

01:10:47.000 And they say, oh, well, he was supporting Hillary's why he did this.

01:10:51.000 This is Beck.

01:10:52.000 No, he did this because he was concerned with the Democratic Party.

01:10:55.000 He's a Democrat.

01:10:57.000 And I now, from the preponderance of evidence, it's 60-40.

01:11:05.000 It's leaning towards him really not being eligible.

01:11:08.000 And then you get into the math of it.

01:11:09.000 And I know there's big new developments, but I want Phil, for new listeners and people that aren't really understanding this, I've just seen the media's kind of boil down, deceptive boil down of what's happening and who birthers are, to talk to the father of the birther movement and recap the history of this.

01:11:27.000 But they are acting very, very suspicious now.

01:11:29.000 They're getting desperate.

01:11:31.000 Beck says 5% of conservatives are birthers.

01:11:36.000 I've seen polls of 57% of registered Republicans questioning his birth.

01:11:41.000 In fact, search engine that for folks for the TV audience.

01:11:44.000 Majority of conservatives question Obama's birth certificate.

01:11:48.000 I've seen that headline everywhere.

01:11:49.000 I mean, here's one, LA Times today.

01:11:51.000 Arizona House panel approves bill requiring presidential candidates to show birth certificates.

01:11:58.000 Nearly half of the Arizona legislator wants to force President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate to state officials if he runs for re-election.

01:12:06.000 A state house committee on Tuesday approved the measure, sponsored 40 of the state's 90 legislatures.

01:12:12.000 It would require the presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving that they meet the requirements to be president.

01:12:21.000 And it goes on, Bill requiring citizenship proof for president contenders passes house committee.

01:12:29.000 And it passed in a six to one vote.

01:12:32.000 So six to one.

01:12:35.000 So it's a deception to say 5% of America are truthers and 5% are birthers and to say birthers are dangerous bad people.

01:12:43.000 That's a Glenn Beck quote.

01:12:45.000 I mean, that's political suicide.

01:12:48.000 I think that hurt him more and why he's lost 12% of his audience, according to Nielsen, in the last three weeks, than just demonizing and setting up Deborah Medina in Texas.

01:12:57.000 I believe he lost a lot of his viewers over the birther issue.

01:13:00.000 Now, I'm going to shut up.

01:13:01.000 I've kind of laid some of the background and groundwork here.

01:13:04.000 Phil Berg wants to talk about the absolute proof that he is an Indonesian citizen.

01:13:09.000 His name is Barry Sitaro.

01:13:10.000 So his name's even fake, folks.

01:13:12.000 That's confirmed.

01:13:13.000 The president has an alias.

01:13:15.000 And it's one thing if you're a talk radio host and have an alias or a movie star or something.

01:13:19.000 My name's really Alex Jones.

01:13:21.000 But a lot of times when people do have aliases, I know some here locally, it's because they have criminal histories.

01:13:27.000 Okay?

01:13:28.000 And, again, his records are all sealed.

01:13:30.000 To break it all down is Attorney Phil Berg.

01:13:33.000 Phil, thanks for being here with us.

01:13:35.000 Alex, a pleasure to be on with you again, and you have great listeners out there.

01:13:40.000 I think we're really getting to Obama.

01:13:42.000 Significant for everyone, and first off, real quick, my background.

01:13:46.000 Lifelong Democrat candidate for Governor in the United States Senate, a Democrat primarily in Pennsylvania.

01:13:52.000 And many others, which they can find out on my website, Obamacrimes.com.

01:13:57.000 Lifelong Democrat, and also then they throw at me I'm a racist.

01:14:01.000 Well, I happen to be a paid employee from the NAACP, so I'm not a racist.

01:14:05.000 I just believe we should have, you know, equal rights in this country.

01:14:08.000 The rights given to us through our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.

01:14:14.000 And what we have here is, real quick is, um, everyone knows that Arnold Schwarzenegger, people have talked to him about him running for president for the last 10 or 15 years, and he constantly says that amend the constitution because he admits he's from Austria, and he admits he doesn't fulfill the requirements.

01:14:30.000 The requirements for president under our U.S.

01:14:32.000 Constitution are simple.

01:14:33.000 Number one, you're 35 years of age.

01:14:35.000 Number two, you lived in this country for 14 years.

01:14:38.000 And number three, you be a natural born citizen.

01:14:41.000 Uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger acknowledges he's not.

01:14:45.000 Obama doesn't say anything directly, but by not saying it, he's walking all over the Constitution.

01:14:51.000 He's saying, I don't care about the Constitution.

01:14:54.000 As Alex, you just said, all his records are sealed.

01:14:56.000 We really know nothing about this individual.

01:14:59.000 It's really outrageous that here we are, 13 months after he's sworn into office, that we still don't know anything.

01:15:05.000 But this is significant, and I think we're making a headway.

01:15:08.000 I'll tell you why.

01:15:08.000 First off, Nixon went down, everyone, not on the border break-in.

01:15:12.000 He went down on the cover-up.

01:15:14.000 But we now have Obama in office 13 months, and it's a cover-up.

01:15:17.000 Significant, I put out a press release two weeks ago calling for a birth certificate march on Washington.

01:15:25.000 We don't have the date yet.

01:15:26.000 As soon as we have the date, we'll have it on our website.

01:15:29.000 Alex, I'll call you so we can talk about it on air.

01:15:31.000 But significant was the next day was the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C.

01:15:37.000 At the end of the breakfast, Obama spoke and he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but the exact words are on my website.

01:15:43.000 At the end of it, he said, no one should question my faith.

01:15:46.000 And then he paused and he said, or my citizenship.

01:15:50.000 I really think we're cracking.

01:15:51.000 I think we're really getting to Obama or the people around him, because many times, and I'm sure I said on your show before, but I'll reiterate, when all is said and done, Barack Obama, actually his real name is Barry Satura, we'll go into that, Michelle Obama, Howard Dean,

01:16:06.000 the former head of the Democratic National Committee, other officials the former head of the Democratic National Committee, other officials of the Democratic National Committee, senior campaign officials, and now senior administration officials who know that he's a phony and a fraud, should be brought into our criminal justice system and should be tried, and those convicted should go to jail.

01:16:22.000 And Obama should go to jail, and also he should be deported.

01:16:25.000 The reason I'm mentioning that is, and I'm going to be putting out a press release shortly on this, I drafted it months ago, but the timing's right.

01:16:33.000 What we need is a deep throat.

01:16:35.000 We need a deep throat regarding Obama, because that's what broke it with the water case, And I think it's going to happen because we're now, with him saying, don't question my citizenship, and Glenn Beck now going to town, I don't know about this week, last week, I know he spoke about me three days, he had my picture up on his Blackboard.

01:16:57.000 I tried to confront him this, uh, I couldn't get to him this past Saturday.

01:17:01.000 I was in Washington, D.C.

01:17:02.000 at the CPAC Convention 210, which is basically all the conservatives in the country.

01:17:07.000 Uh, he was a, uh, he was a keynote speaker at the end, but I couldn't get to him.

01:17:11.000 I gave something to one of his days, I'm sure.

01:17:13.000 I'm sure he won't respond.

01:17:15.000 I challenged him on your show right here.

01:17:17.000 I, I challenged, uh, Glenn Beck to a debate any time.

01:17:20.000 Well, Demi, did you see the video where he pointed at you and said, these people hate America?

01:17:24.000 No, I haven't seen that.

01:17:25.000 I have to see that because I want to see what he's saying because what he's doing is he's on the verge of bringing out the crazies to come after me.

01:17:33.000 And I have always called for one thing.

01:17:36.000 He called me an obstructionist, I know.

01:17:38.000 I have always called for a peaceful revolution.

01:17:41.000 I don't want anything to happen to Obama.

01:17:43.000 I don't want to turn him into a martyr.

01:17:45.000 There's some other people out there who are talking about different things.

01:17:48.000 I want a peaceful revolution.

01:17:50.000 Our march in Washington is going to be peaceful.

01:17:53.000 Yeah, notice Beck keeps saying, that's what he does, he puts your picture up and Van Jones and then points in your direction and says, these people hate America, these birthers, these truthers, they want to hurt you, President. 0.97

01:18:07.000 Don't let them be in your administration, they'll kill you.

01:18:10.000 He's said that literally scores of times, so he's invoking this idea of violence, very dangerous.

01:18:16.000 It is dangerous, and if you can get me the actual clip on that, because if he said that, I'm going to ask for a retraction, and if he won't retract it, I'm going to sue him, because that's what's dangerous right now.

01:18:26.000 If everyone's looked at what I've been doing, this is now my 19th month doing this.

01:18:30.000 I've always called for peaceful revolution.

01:18:32.000 I've called for doing this through the legal system, and since the legal system is so slow, we're going to have this birth certificate march in Washington, probably late May, early June, and we're getting a fabulous response all across this country, because Every one of your listeners can identify with a birth certificate because they must show a birth certificate between one and ten times in their lifetime.

01:18:53.000 Everyone needs it for a passport.

01:18:55.000 Everyone needs it to register for Little League.

01:18:57.000 You need it for different things, for marriage, or you need it for scholarships, or college, or school.

01:19:02.000 The best one, you're down there in Texas, a woman sent me an email a while back from Texas, and she said, I registered my nephew for school.

01:19:08.000 At the end of the registration, my nephew said to the principal, can I ask you a question?

01:19:12.000 And then they lie and say he's shown his birth certificate.

01:19:16.000 to register for school, but Obama didn't have to show it to become president.

01:19:20.000 And that says it all when a 13-year-old can identify with him.

01:19:23.000 And then they lie and say he's shown his birth certificate.

01:19:25.000 He hasn't.

01:19:26.000 Well, no, he hasn't. 0.98

01:19:27.000 And you get people who look like fools, like Chris Matthews, shaking a piece of paper saying this is his birth certificate. 0.96

01:19:34.000 No one has seen the birth certificate. 0.94

01:19:36.000 What people have seen is not even a for real document because at the bottom of the document it says if there's any alteration it's inbound.

01:19:44.000 What people have seen is a certification of by birth which was even forged.

01:19:49.000 That was put on their campaign website.

01:19:51.000 Alright, stay there, stay there Phil.

01:19:52.000 I want to come back and recap though and get into the Indonesian situation, the Barry Sotero, who this guy really is.

01:19:59.000 Because the birth certificate is only part of it.

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01:24:00.000 You know they're scared when they've got Republicans attacking the birthers.

01:24:00.000 You're one.

01:24:12.000 And you've got legislatures passing or in the process of passing laws, and the states do run the federal government, saying you want to Be on the ballot here, you gotta show your birth certificate.

01:24:22.000 Now, let's shift gears.

01:24:24.000 I mean, to the key here.

01:24:26.000 And it's the fact that he, his real name is Barry Sotero, he became an Indonesian citizen, he got adopted by a foreign family, and you talk about this, and the mainstream media says that's a lie, when that's on record, Phil Berg.

01:24:41.000 Absolutely.

01:24:41.000 The key really, you know, the bloggers on the internet, they try to say they saw a birth certificate and everything, they fight back and forth.

01:24:49.000 But we raised the issue then, we shifted it.

01:24:51.000 The issue really is, everyone out there, the fact that he was adopted or even acknowledged in Indonesia.

01:24:56.000 And in his books, he's sort of bound by certain things.

01:24:59.000 Number one in one of his books, he says he found his birth certificate.

01:25:02.000 So it's a baloney that he can't produce it.

01:25:04.000 The reason he can't produce it will show that he was born in Kenya.

01:25:07.000 But the second thing in his book, he says his parents had been divorced.

01:25:10.000 He says, my stepfather, Lobo Sotoro, returned to Indonesia before my mother and I. Well, that's significant, because in the 1960s, Indonesia was at war.

01:25:18.000 The only ones who could go to school there were those that were natural of Indonesia. 1.00

01:25:23.000 He became natural because he was adopted or acknowledged.

01:25:25.000 We have his school record on our website, and his school record indicates his name is Barry Sotoro.

01:25:30.000 S-O-E-T-O-R-O. 1.00

01:25:32.000 His nationality is Indonesia, and his religion is Islam.

01:25:36.000 Ladies and gentlemen, if he hasn't legally changed his name, his name is his adopted name, Barry Sotoro.

01:25:42.000 That is his name.

01:25:43.000 And that's what it was in college, and that's why it's all sealed.

01:25:46.000 That's right.

01:25:47.000 That's why he's doing it.

01:25:47.000 Well, I also think he's sealed his records because I think it will show he applied for and received foreign aid.

01:25:53.000 Obama is the biggest hoax in the history of our country in over 230 years. 0.97

01:25:58.000 He's a phony. 1.00

01:25:59.000 He's a fraud. 1.00

01:25:59.000 I'm not mentioning words here. 1.00

01:26:01.000 I've been saying this, and I need the American support behind me.

01:26:04.000 You know, follow me on obamacrime.com.

01:26:06.000 We're going to have a birth certificate march in Washington.

01:26:09.000 Washington, everyone bring a copy of your birth certificate.

01:26:11.000 And we're going to demand that either he produced, that he showed that he's constitutionally qualified, or we're going to ask him, demand that he resign, because Congress won't do anything right now.

01:26:21.000 Congress should be impeached.

01:26:22.000 This is a disaster what they have done and allowed.

01:26:25.000 We're in a constitutional crisis, because once we get past that, who becomes president?

01:26:29.000 That's a whole new issue, another whole...

01:26:30.000 Well, let me just throw this in for you, before we go to break in a long segment, time to flesh this out.

01:26:35.000 He says he's going to sign executive orders on the carbon taxes, doesn't care what the Congress says.

01:26:40.000 the They stonewalled ClimateGate, said it didn't exist.

01:26:44.000 That blew up in their face.

01:26:46.000 I mean, it shows this is the most lying administration we've ever seen.

01:26:50.000 Worse than Nixon, worse than Clinton, worse than Bush.

01:26:53.000 He said, no lobbyists.

01:26:54.000 All he hired was lobbyists.

01:26:55.000 He said, not going to expand wars, expanded the wars.

01:26:59.000 He said, no signing statements, went back on that.

01:27:02.000 I mean, this guy is continuing and expanding torture. 0.97

01:27:06.000 I mean, this guy is a complete and total fraud.

01:27:09.000 And from your deep research, lay it out, looking at this, what is Obama's real story? 0.88

01:27:15.000 Well, here's the real story. 0.98

01:27:16.000 He's a phony.

01:27:17.000 I mean, he does not, he's not constitutionally qualified.

01:27:19.000 And the fact is, Alex, the reason he's doing the legislation he's doing, and the reason his cabinet, think about it for a minute.

01:27:26.000 I think the higher-ups in this country, the power brokers, the money people, said, we know Phil Berg and others are right.

01:27:32.000 Do you want to be president?

01:27:33.000 You've got to play ball our way.

01:27:34.000 Think about the cabinet he has.

01:27:36.000 That's not the cabinet he ran on.

01:27:38.000 He talks about change.

01:27:39.000 Look about the legislation he's pushing.

01:27:41.000 Is that the candidate of change?

01:27:43.000 I think he's being blackmailed internally, and I'm waiting to see what happens when China and Iran get these documents, because I'm sure they're out there. 0.91

01:27:50.000 And we're in a really, really bad situation because of Obama. 0.98

01:27:55.000 He is a fraud. 0.94

01:27:56.000 One of my lawsuits is, I believe he's not only not natural born, he's not naturalized, but he's an illegal alien, and therefore one of my lawsuits deals with the fact that he should not have been a U.S. 0.96

01:28:05.000 Senator, and therefore the salary and benefit And expenses should be returned to the U.S.

01:28:10.000 Treasury of about $1 million.

01:28:12.000 More important though, because he's an usurper or fraud, all the laws he's passing, as far as I am concerned, are void or avoidable.

01:28:19.000 I mean, we're really in a constitutional mess at this point.

01:28:22.000 And, you know, some people are saying, oh, nothing should happen to Obama because if he goes out of office, even legally, Mr. Berg, there'll be riots in the streets.

01:28:30.000 Well, there shouldn't be any riots in the streets because there's one person to blame for this, and that's Barack Obama.

01:28:35.000 Remember, he taught constitutional law for ten years, everyone.

01:28:39.000 Aside from the schools he maybe went to, we don't even know.

01:28:41.000 He supposedly went to Occidental and Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was head of the Harvard Law Review.

01:28:46.000 People haven't seen his writings.

01:28:48.000 We know nothing about this person.

01:28:50.000 And that's the whole point.

01:28:51.000 They release other presidents' records.

01:28:53.000 They're being very secretive.

01:28:56.000 You know, he signed a document stealing all his records.

01:28:59.000 I mean, this is a total, total disgrace.

01:29:02.000 And we're going to do everything in our power to expose him and force him legally out of office.

01:29:06.000 Nothing that happened to him, but force him legally out.

01:29:09.000 Let him be tried.

01:29:09.000 He should go to jail and he should be deported.

01:29:13.000 And then he's got all this family that's here illegally, too, and living in slums. 0.92

01:29:17.000 He doesn't even help them. 0.98

01:29:18.000 I mean, he's really trashy. 0.79

01:29:20.000 Well, that's his aunt up in Boston who's still trying to fight immigration. 0.99

01:29:24.000 She's an illegal alien. 1.00

01:29:25.000 And he doesn't get near her because he's an illegal alien. 0.98

01:29:30.000 An illegal alien president. 0.96

01:29:32.000 Well, we know Barack Obama's a fake name. 0.81

01:29:35.000 I mean, we know.

01:29:37.000 He was Indonesian citizen.

01:29:38.000 It's on his school records.

01:29:40.000 The records we do have.

01:29:41.000 They're not denying those are real.

01:29:43.000 They just don't want to talk about it.

01:29:45.000 They're blackmailing him and totally controlling him.

01:29:45.000 And you're right.

01:29:48.000 More coming up.

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01:33:14.000 He is the father of what you call the birther movement.

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01:33:30.000 I mean, this, no one's ever done this.

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01:34:55.000 Okay, going back to Phil Burke.

01:34:56.000 Phil, I want you to sit down.

01:34:59.000 for a while and just let you roll with this whole saga because we have a lot of new listeners, a lot of people just heard the media demonize birthers.

01:35:07.000 Again, why this is so important, the whole Indonesia situation, and then we're going to open the phones up only on the birther issue, folks, for Phil Berg, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.

01:35:17.000 Phil Berg.

01:35:17.000 1-800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231.

01:35:24.000 Phil Berg.

01:35:24.000 Thank you, Alan.

01:35:25.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this issue is so important because there's nothing more important than our U.S.

01:35:31.000 Constitution.

01:35:32.000 When I was contacted by an individual to do this, I checked into it and I proceeded.

01:35:38.000 One thing I said from the first day I filed the first lawsuit, which is August 21st, 2008, which is like 19 months ago, I said, if I am wrong, Obama, prove me wrong, show me all the documentation certified from the source, and I will withdraw my lawsuit.

01:35:55.000 Nothing like that has forthcoming.

01:35:57.000 Nothing he has produced, nothing they came to referring to the same document that they produced as a birth certificate.

01:36:03.000 What they produced, certificate of live birth, has no significance.

01:36:09.000 It doesn't have what a birth certificate has.

01:36:11.000 It does not have the baby's weight.

01:36:13.000 It does not have the baby's length.

01:36:15.000 It does not have the hospital name.

01:36:17.000 It does not have the doctor's name and the doctor's signature.

01:36:20.000 This is what's on a long-form, bulk birth certificate, which I've now received hundreds of them since we put out the announcement.

01:36:27.000 We're asking people to fax or email or mail them to us for our birth certificate, March from Washington, which will be in late May or June.

01:36:35.000 But more significant than the birth certificate issue, because people keep arguing, you know, well, Chris Massie said he saw it, and Glenn, or Riley said he saw it, and I think both of them have backed off on those statements.

01:36:45.000 But more significant is the fact that he was adopted or acknowledged in Indonesia.

01:36:50.000 Now, I'll tell you why, because I had an argument the other day with an immigration attorney.

01:36:54.000 I raised the question so people could identify with this.

01:36:56.000 I said, what happens about the children that are being adopted here in the United States from Haiti?

01:37:01.000 And he said, well, they sever all the relationships with Haiti, and they take the new family's last name, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:37:06.000 I said, then how can you disagree with me that when Obama's adopted in Indonesia, the same thing doesn't take place?

01:37:12.000 He lost his words.

01:37:14.000 He couldn't speak.

01:37:15.000 The fact is, when Obama, and it's in his book, so he's like stuck on certain things, his parents divorcing.

01:37:21.000 His mother remarried.

01:37:22.000 He goes to Indonesia.

01:37:23.000 We have his school record, which says his name is Barry Sotoro.

01:37:27.000 And as Alex said a little while ago, when he was first in Occidental, people knew him as Barry.

01:37:33.000 That's his name.

01:37:34.000 That's his legal name.

01:37:35.000 Therefore, unless he has legally changed his name, his name is Barry Sotoro.

01:37:39.000 You know, many of you out there who have adopted children or know someone that has adopted a child, they take your family last name.

01:37:45.000 Now, significant as the fact is, when he came back at age 10, to live with his mother's parents, his grandparents in Hawaii, we believe that he did not go through immigration.

01:37:56.000 If he did go through immigration, he would have been given a certificate of citizenship, but because he became a natural of Indonesia, he would have only become naturalized.

01:38:06.000 But we believe he didn't go through there.

01:38:09.000 He went back on his Indonesia passport, and therefore he's an illegal alien.

01:38:14.000 Therefore he cannot be a U.S. 0.66

01:38:16.000 Senator.

01:38:16.000 Now significant with this, on the school record which is posted on our website from Indonesia, his name is Barry Sotoro.

01:38:23.000 His nationality is Indonesia.

01:38:25.000 His religion is Islam.

01:38:27.000 You know, he's having you believe he was never a Muslim.

01:38:29.000 Well, Islam is Muslim.

01:38:31.000 And after he got sworn into office, now he's like basically catering to the Muslim. 0.88

01:38:36.000 You know, during the campaign, he could not use his middle name of Hussein.

01:38:40.000 When he was sworn in, he becomes Barack Hussein Obama.

01:38:45.000 Then he went to Egypt, and said, I have the same religion as you, and spoke Arabic from the Quran better than many people in the country.

01:38:55.000 They were shocked by it, and just incredible.

01:38:59.000 And then also, Alex, if you recall, he mentioned about the United States.

01:39:03.000 The United States, he said, has the largest Muslim population in the world.

01:39:06.000 I mean, and then he goes apologizing around the world for the United States' actions in the past.

01:39:15.000 And then he bowed down to the Saudi king.

01:39:17.000 No president of the United States has ever bowed down to anyone.

01:39:19.000 He bowed down, there's a question if he kissed his ring, also the Saudi king.

01:39:23.000 And then when he's in Japan, he bowed down to the Japanese emperor.

01:39:26.000 And then they lie and say he's dropping things, but we have the video where he clearly bows to everybody, and it gets worse because we know that his real name is Barry Sotaro, we know we have a president who's using an alias, we know that he was adopted, and the media's not even denying that, they just don't even cover it.

01:39:48.000 I mean, this is so huge.

01:39:50.000 Well, a great point in which you brought up, and your listeners can compare it to, look what they did to Sarah Palin during the last six weeks of the campaign.

01:39:58.000 The reporters in droves went to Alaska, went under every stone behind every door, asked her all kinds of questions.

01:40:04.000 Now think back what they did with Obama.

01:40:06.000 They've never asked him anything.

01:40:07.000 If they properly vetted Obama, he would never have been nominated, let alone be elected president.

01:40:13.000 It's really, and I was interviewed by the New York Times, and I said, I wish I could sue the national media, including the New York Times, for not properly vetting Obama.

01:40:20.000 They even have the guts enough, they printed that.

01:40:22.000 They printed it even still in the New York Times, because it's a disgrace.

01:40:25.000 But the problem is, and I laughed about it two years ago when Bush questioned Russia about Putin with a free press.

01:40:33.000 We don't have a free press in this country.

01:40:36.000 Most of the press in this country is now owned by three or four major corporations.

01:40:40.000 And there was a study done, except the person who was really the source of the information has not allowed her name to be released, but there's supposedly an office in the White House that is keeping pressure on all these media outlets to not discuss this story.

01:40:54.000 But we're bypassing that.

01:40:56.000 The American public is waking up, and that's my goal this year.

01:41:00.000 That's my goal, is to raise the public awareness, because all of you out there must show your birth certificate.

01:41:07.000 Why is this important?

01:41:08.000 Well, there's nothing, in my opinion, and many others, there's nothing more important than the U.S.

01:41:13.000 Constitution.

01:41:15.000 I'm doing this for the about 305 or maybe there's 308 million people in this country that deserve to know the truth.

01:41:22.000 I'm doing this for our forefathers who wrote these fantastic documents which countries around the world have tried to copy and duplicate.

01:41:30.000 Most have not.

01:41:31.000 And I'm also doing this, Alex, for the 1.6 million men and women who have died in battle Let's expand.

01:41:37.000 to defend this Constitution, and another 1.6 million who have been injured or remained fighting these wars, and the millions of others who have served their great nation in wartime and peacetime defending this Constitution.

01:41:50.000 And then you have Barack Obama, who basically doesn't care about the Constitution.

01:41:54.000 And aside from the things we're talking about, which is the First Amendment, he's talking about things on the Second Amendment and other.

01:42:00.000 I could go on and on about other issues, but we don't have to do that.

01:42:02.000 Well, Phil, let's expand.

01:42:03.000 Let's expand on that.

01:42:04.000 Sure.

01:42:05.000 For two weeks, when the ClimateGate emails came out, the media wouldn't cover it.

01:42:11.000 Then for another week or two, they said it wasn't real.

01:42:14.000 Then they were forced to say, okay, it's real.

01:42:17.000 And now they admit it's all been a giant fraud, basically.

01:42:20.000 And so we see this stonewalling by Obama, also saying there's no way our health care can fail, it will pass.

01:42:28.000 It's like this Borg, you will be assimilated. 0.96

01:42:32.000 Resistance is a futile statement, and it's the same thing on the birther issue.

01:42:36.000 It is hurting him.

01:42:38.000 I know there's a cover-up.

01:42:39.000 I know he hasn't released the real birth certificate.

01:42:42.000 I know he's blocking all the school records.

01:42:44.000 I know he's blocking his records when he came back to Hawaii, separate from the birth certificate.

01:42:50.000 Why would they be covering all this up if there wasn't something there?

01:42:56.000 It's a fact they're covering it up, listeners.

01:42:59.000 It's a fact They haven't shown the real birth certificate, only the certificate of live birth.

01:43:03.000 It's a fact, a fact, a fact, and it's not gonna go away, and if we're 13 months into his presidency, then he's got the lowest approval rating of any president one year in in history, and plunging even faster, and he's breaking just every record.

01:43:18.000 This is devastating him, whether he likes it or not, and stalling their entire agenda, which I think is a great thing regardless, but now I'm getting to the point where It really does, to me, look like that he's not a citizen.

01:43:31.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:43:32.000 Up and down.

01:43:33.000 There's been even higher.

01:43:34.000 But the latest figures I had are 1.6 million.

01:43:37.000 People say it's 1.7 or 2 million.

01:43:39.000 For your listeners out there, Obama has spent at least 1.6 million fighting my three lawsuits and the 50 other lawsuits that came about.

01:43:47.000 You don't spend that kind of money.

01:43:49.000 You don't spend that kind of money unless you're really hiding something.

01:43:53.000 And he's hiding.

01:43:54.000 I want to go to calls.

01:43:55.000 Why is he hiding? 0.99

01:43:56.000 He's hiding because he's a bony and a fraud. 0.98

01:43:58.000 I really think, and I don't know what your list is, I think he's being blackmailed internally. 0.88

01:44:02.000 And what happens when Iran gets this?

01:44:04.000 What happens when China gets this?

01:44:06.000 What happens when Cuba gets this?

01:44:07.000 I think he's put our country in a dangerous, dangerous position.

01:44:11.000 Not only what, and on top of that, what he's doing, but, you know, I could go on forever what he's doing, but I'm concerned with Eric Holder.

01:44:18.000 One of my cases, the case where I say he's an illegal alien and shouldn't have been a U.S. senator, we have one of the issues we just filed, our appeal to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. 0.86

01:44:27.000 If there ever was a conflict of interest, ladies and gentlemen, let me set it forth real quick.

01:44:33.000 In those type cases, they're called False Claims Act cases.

01:44:36.000 It was sealed because of that, not because it was something special.

01:44:40.000 All False Claims Act cases are sealed.

01:44:41.000 False Claims Act are usually done in Medicaid or Medicare fraud.

01:44:45.000 Hypothetically, if I believe my next-door neighbor is committing fraud, What I would do is I would file this action on behalf of the United States of America and as the Relator.

01:44:54.000 They call the person filing the Relator, R-E-L-A-T-O-R, and then also then versus Jane and John Doe from next door.

01:45:02.000 Well, Jane and John Doe are not served.

01:45:04.000 The Justice Department is served.

01:45:05.000 The U.S.

01:45:06.000 Attorney is served.

01:45:06.000 and they have 60 days to review the case.

01:45:09.000 So that's what I did.

01:45:11.000 I filed this against Obama.

01:45:12.000 So Obama's not served, but their justice...

01:45:15.000 Well, let me be clear.

01:45:15.000 Let me be clear.

01:45:16.000 In layman's terms, the government is not a party to the suit...

01:45:23.000 They don't have standing to be heard.

01:45:26.000 Only you, the citizen, does.

01:45:28.000 And so, are you saying that the Justice Department has no right to even block you?

01:45:32.000 Let me clarify a little more.

01:45:34.000 Actually, what happens is, you're bringing this action.

01:45:36.000 The government has three choices what to do.

01:45:39.000 Number one, that they can pursue the case against Gene or John Doe, in this case against Obama.

01:45:44.000 Number two, they can give it to the relator, the person bringing the action, in this case me.

01:45:48.000 Or number three, they can dismiss the case.

01:45:51.000 In very few cases they ever dismiss the case.

01:45:54.000 Many times they give it to the relator to produce because, to proceed because they don't want to spend the time or money on the case.

01:46:00.000 You know, it depends on the value, how much, etc, etc.

01:46:03.000 I understand.

01:46:03.000 They're defending the case is what you're saying.

01:46:05.000 Listen, I know you're very busy, but I want to be able to take a lot of calls, but I want you to also have time to speak.

01:46:09.000 Can you stay with us about 15 minutes in the next hour?

01:46:12.000 As long as you want me.

01:46:13.000 I'll stay two days.

01:46:14.000 I'll stay a week with you.

01:46:15.000 You're great.

01:46:16.000 Well, we're going to then let you finish up and then we're going to take calls for 30 minutes into the next hour because I want to hear the different angles and points that listeners will bring up on this front.

01:46:25.000 But shifting gears again, I want to get this question out there.

01:46:29.000 What do you think of the Arizona House passing it out of committee six to one, and now it looks like right at half of the legislature is set to vote, and they're gaining votes, that they may pass a law in Arizona saying if Obama runs again in the next two years, starts his campaign up, to be on the ballot there in that they may pass a law in Arizona saying if Obama runs again in the next two years, starts his campaign up, I think it's fabulous.

01:46:52.000 It just shows that the issue I started, and I don't care who crosses the finish line with it, I'm glad I'm out there and I'm gonna stay with this issue.

01:47:00.000 I think it's fabulous.

01:47:01.000 A congressman, I don't have his name from Florida, introduced legislation in the House of Representatives in Washington to the same effect that as of 2012 any presidential candidate has to show that they're constitutionally qualified.

01:47:14.000 Only about 7 to 10 other Republicans joined in that action, no Democrats.

01:47:18.000 And why haven't the Democrats joined?

01:47:20.000 Because the Democrats know he's a phony.

01:47:23.000 But this is great, since Washington's not doing it, Arizona is.

01:47:26.000 That's fabulous, and I hope other states do do that.

01:47:29.000 And I think it's... They're realizing that the Constitution... I mean, stop and think, everyone out there.

01:47:34.000 We have such great things in this country.

01:47:36.000 And why do we have it?

01:47:37.000 We have it because we fought to defend this.

01:47:39.000 We had a fight with England to form our country.

01:47:42.000 You know, people have died defending this Constitution.

01:47:46.000 And we have this fraud, this phony of Obama coming up there, the biggest hoax in our history.

01:47:51.000 It's wrong, everyone out there.

01:47:52.000 Let me stop you again. 0.84

01:47:54.000 Let's say he really was born in Hawaii.

01:47:57.000 Why is he covering it up?

01:47:58.000 Let's go further.

01:48:00.000 He was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen.

01:48:03.000 That's on record.

01:48:04.000 And then he tried to lie about that, even though it's in his book.

01:48:04.000 Right.

01:48:08.000 And now I've seen him in a few speeches.

01:48:10.000 We played it a few months ago.

01:48:11.000 Maybe we can pull it up.

01:48:12.000 In fact, try to YouTube.

01:48:13.000 Obama refers to himself as Barry.

01:48:15.000 He's even joked around and called himself Barry Sotaro, as if he's trying to inoculate people to this fact because he knows it's coming out.

01:48:23.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:48:24.000 I think we're really getting to him.

01:48:27.000 I think it just shows.

01:48:28.000 I mean, again, why would you spend... What are you doing?

01:48:30.000 But the significant part is he's adopted in Indonesia.

01:48:34.000 Once he's adopted in Indonesia, even if he was born in Hawaii, he would lose his natural-born status. 0.71

01:48:39.000 And how, just to relate that story to you, what the immigration attorney told me about people being adopted from Haiti.

01:48:45.000 They cut off where they came from.

01:48:47.000 Well then Obama would have come off from here.

01:48:50.000 But I think that's all baloney because I don't think he was born in Hawaii.

01:48:55.000 When Jerry Corsi went to Kenya to do some... They had him arrested!

01:49:00.000 They put him on house arrest!

01:49:01.000 Right.

01:49:01.000 They wouldn't let him do anything.

01:49:03.000 They wouldn't let him go talk to the village where Obama was born.

01:49:06.000 Right.

01:49:07.000 Right, and we have on our website, we have the step-grandmother, Sarah Obama, in Swahili, and we have the translation stating she was in the hospital when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

01:49:18.000 Now, at the end of the tape, there's some kids yelling, no, no, Hawaii.

01:49:21.000 She stated, definitely, she was in the hospital when he was born.

01:49:25.000 That's more significant than anything they've produced.

01:49:27.000 They've produced one thing, that document, which is a phony.

01:49:30.000 Then they keep saying, well, there were two newspaper articles saying he was born.

01:49:35.000 My children live, I'm in Pennsylvania, my children live in other states.

01:49:38.000 When my grandchildren were born, I put announcements in here in my local paper that I have a new grandchild.

01:49:44.000 That doesn't mean he was born there, that doesn't mean my children are born here, they're not, they're born elsewhere.

01:49:49.000 And that's their strongest argument.

01:49:51.000 Well, what do you think, his mother planned ahead, he was going to run for president, that's why she put it in the newspaper?

01:49:56.000 No, I think the mother really wanted him to be a U.S.

01:49:59.000 citizen.

01:50:00.000 But the word is he was in Kenya and she couldn't fly back because she was too pregnant.

01:50:05.000 Well, that's exactly what a mother would do. 1.00

01:50:07.000 She would come back and try to dummy it up.

01:50:09.000 Even if she had no idea he was going to run for president, she'd want him to be a U.S.

01:50:13.000 citizen.

01:50:13.000 Correct.

01:50:14.000 Because, especially then and even now, even though right now I think we're in trouble with orders because of the many things Obama's doing, people fight to get to the United States because we have freedom.

01:50:23.000 I mean, the sad part is, ladies and gentlemen, when listening to this, we take for granted some of these freedoms you have in this country, and you shouldn't.

01:50:31.000 I remember with my children going through a train over in Europe a number of years ago, and we were stopped because we took a train through, at that time, Czechoslovakia, and we didn't have the correct papers for that.

01:50:41.000 The conduct that got hit me and my children.

01:50:44.000 If not, there were armed guards came on that thing and checking with people to take them off.

01:50:48.000 You don't realize what freedoms you have here.

01:50:50.000 I mean, what we're talking about here today, Alex, on your show, you couldn't be doing this in Russia.

01:50:55.000 You couldn't be doing this in America. 0.98

01:50:57.000 If they set the precedent to have an illegal alien as president, we're screwed. 0.98

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01:53:59.000 All right, we're going to your calls we're going to your calls for attorney Phil Burns.

01:54:21.000 This is the guy who two years ago saw some of this documentation and said, I'm an investigator.

01:54:28.000 Deputy Attorney General, previously in the state, run for governor, member of the NAACP, prominent member, I believe on their board.

01:54:38.000 They're in that state and they've said every horrible thing in the world about him. 0.94

01:54:44.000 He's racist, all this crud. 1.00

01:54:45.000 And even Obama being African is a fraud. 1.00

01:54:52.000 African as in not Arab. 0.99

01:54:55.000 Of course, there are Arab Africans.

01:54:57.000 He's 6% African.

01:54:58.000 African.

01:54:58.000 6%.

01:54:59.000 Six percent.

01:55:01.000 He's 44 percent Arab, 50 percent Anglo-Saxon.

01:55:06.000 I don't care what color he is. 0.67

01:55:09.000 The point is, that's a distraction.

01:55:10.000 It's just like when you say you don't want socialist healthcare, which it wasn't even that.

01:55:14.000 It was an insurance company scam.

01:55:16.000 Even Howard Dean said that now in Dennis Kucinich.

01:55:20.000 That's why it's dead in the water.

01:55:22.000 Even when that came out, Chris Matthews and Carlos Watson and others said, this is racism.

01:55:31.000 It's racism.

01:55:33.000 Racism to say I don't want health care.

01:55:35.000 So they're playing the race card and it's totally blown up in their face.

01:55:39.000 It's not working.

01:55:40.000 I want to go to your phone calls and we've got to Mr. Berg for another 30 minutes to the next hour, so plenty of time for him to get into any other subjects.

01:55:49.000 But support what he's doing, because he's got a lot of courage.

01:55:52.000 I talked to him off-air.

01:55:53.000 They haven't killed him or set him up, because that will just elevate everything he's doing.

01:55:57.000 We'll talk about that before he leaves.

01:55:59.000 But let's talk to Julio in Illinois.

01:56:00.000 Julio, thanks for holding.

01:56:02.000 You're on the air with Attorney Phil Berg.

01:56:03.000 Go ahead.

01:56:05.000 Alex Jones, how are you this afternoon?

01:56:06.000 Phil Berg, I commend you for what you're doing.

01:56:08.000 God bless you.

01:56:09.000 I will have you in my prayers, sir.

01:56:11.000 You are unbelievable for what you are doing, exposing the fraud known as Barry Fitoro, sir.

01:56:16.000 Thank you very much.

01:56:18.000 You're very welcome.

01:56:19.000 My question is, first off, I took an African American Studies class.

01:56:25.000 Two years ago, or last year, here in college in Macomb, Illinois, and we saw the biography channel, biography on Barry Fitoro, and they said, growing up, that his nickname was Barry.

01:56:38.000 I do remember that, and I just saw right now on TV for Comcast, Cable People On Demand, you can look it up, they have his biography there.

01:56:47.000 But my question, you're talking about a march in Washington, D.C.

01:56:51.000 on tax day, possibly, on April 15th.

01:56:54.000 How does Barry Fitoro go off paying his taxes under the alias Barack Obama, similar to TurboTax, the rat, Tim Geithner? 0.96

01:57:03.000 How does this sick, disgusting man get away, you know, with his aliases? 0.97

01:57:08.000 And you have, you know, Benedict Arnold. 1.00

01:57:10.000 You know, hold on, hold on.

01:57:11.000 That's a great point.

01:57:13.000 Much of his own cabinet has been caught in tax trouble, doesn't pay their taxes.

01:57:17.000 It's just a lawless group of criminals, and you were going to say something about Mr. Beck. 0.94

01:57:23.000 Yeah, Benedict Arnold, uh, you know, him, you know, Chris Matthews, all these scum, you guys are right, they're setting us up for something because they continue, now recently on TV, talking about birthers, talking about 9-11 truth movement, and how, you know, we're going to assassinate the president. 0.93

01:57:39.000 We all need to be peaceful in this info war fight.

01:57:42.000 Julio, Julio, tell him, you've seen that yourself, we've played it here.

01:57:46.000 Phil isn't even aware of this.

01:57:47.000 Tell him what you've seen back there.

01:57:49.000 Glenn Beck on his radio program said that, you know, 9-11 truthers, he was talking about Van Jones, are going to infiltrate the White House, are already in the White House, and are going to assassinate the President, that we need to have the President in our prayers.

01:58:01.000 And in another TV show, he said birthers too now. 0.61

01:58:05.000 Yeah, he had you on his stupid little 4th grade chalkboard, you, he had Debra Medina, Miss Flip-Flopper, who, you know, I'm shocked that that happened, but, you know, he had all these people, he had Van Jones on his board, you know, this is, uh, this is... Alright, Julio, Julio, thank you. 0.83

01:58:20.000 We're gonna come back in 70 seconds with a third hour, have Philbert respond to what he just heard briefly, then we're gonna quickly, because I want to get a lot of callers in. 0.98

01:58:28.000 Julio had great points, but that burned up five minutes.

01:58:31.000 We're going to go to Matt, David, John, Nick, and others so we can get to others and bring up different issues and so Phil Berg can respond.

01:58:37.000 His time is very important, so I want to just ask the question and have him respond.

01:58:43.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

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02:00:19.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:25.000 Attorney Phil Byrd, founder of the birther movement, is our guest.

02:00:28.000 I'm going to have him in the next segment briefly recap some states that carry the second half of the show, why the birther issue is so important.

02:00:36.000 We're taking calls at the bottom of the hour when he leaves us.

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02:00:47.000 Phil Berg, you heard Julio's points.

02:00:50.000 Quick comments on that before we go to more calls.

02:00:52.000 Well, I think it's disgusting that Beck tries to associate me with these other people and tries to tie me in, that I hate America.

02:00:59.000 I don't hate America.

02:01:00.000 I do this because I love America.

02:01:02.000 And I'm going to challenge Beck.

02:01:04.000 He won't do it.

02:01:05.000 I'm going to challenge him to a debate.

02:01:07.000 He's got the nerve to put me up there and talk about me.

02:01:10.000 But I'm going to challenge him to a debate.

02:01:12.000 He probably won't do it.

02:01:14.000 But it's wrong what he's doing and wrong making I want a peaceful revolution.

02:01:21.000 I want this through the court system and not to do that.

02:01:25.000 I'm going to embrace the American public to have a birth certificate march on Washington, which will be peaceful, and demand that if he can't prove that he's constitutionally eligible, that he resign.

02:01:34.000 Can you see a million people there with a copy of birth certificate and Obama not doing it?

02:01:39.000 The media would have to cover that.

02:01:40.000 And by the way, at these town halls, as you know, for a year now, Republican and Democrats will say, no, he's an American citizen, and literally the whole room starts screaming at them, even at Democrat events.

02:01:52.000 People are sick of this, and Obamacrimes.com is your website.

02:01:56.000 I've seen it on TV, I've heard it, where he puts you up there next to the weathermen and others and says, these people hate America, they're dangerous.

02:02:04.000 Folks, send those videos, because there's millions of listeners, you can find them, I have a small staff, I've seen it, I don't have time to go dig it out, it would take maybe 10 hours to dig through hundreds of shows.

02:02:15.000 Send it all to Phil Berg, help him so he has the info, but also supportobamacrimes.com.

02:02:21.000 Let's go to Matt in Ohio.

02:02:22.000 Matt, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:02:24.000 Hey Alex, hi Phil.

02:02:28.000 I may have to be way out in left field here, but what do you think the chances are that the puppet masters, the people that pull Obama's strings and the higher-ups in government are going to let Obama's true identity and his birth certificate and all that out at the right time to get him impeached in order to impose more laws on us?

02:02:56.000 To be able to Keep better track of us.

02:02:58.000 You're saying, you're saying that could be the false flag.

02:03:02.000 It would cause riots, all sorts of problems.

02:03:04.000 Phil, your take on it.

02:03:06.000 Well, you know, I'm going to demand when we get him out of office that we're going to do it.

02:03:09.000 We're going to demand we'll hold a news conference.

02:03:11.000 I'm going to call the top politicians in this country, the religious leaders, and say, do you plan to cause riots in the streets and damage property and injure and kill people?

02:03:20.000 The only person responsible for this is Barack Obama.

02:03:20.000 Why?

02:03:23.000 No, I don't think they're going to let it out.

02:03:25.000 I think what's going to happen is the American public is going to demand it.

02:03:29.000 I think about 20 million people know about this.

02:03:31.000 Help me raise the public awareness to 100 million people.

02:03:34.000 We will force him out of office because this is outrageous what he is doing.

02:03:38.000 He's out to tear apart our democracy.

02:03:42.000 Well, it's just like Climategate in the first month when they said it wasn't real, and now it blew up in their face and they've all admitted they're liars.

02:03:48.000 It's the same thing.

02:03:49.000 They're stonewalling. 1.00

02:03:50.000 The truth can't be stopped.

02:03:51.000 We know he's an Indonesian citizen.

02:03:53.000 We know his real name is Barry Sitaro.

02:03:55.000 That's enough right there under law, because he can't be a natural... Explain that to people, Phil.

02:04:02.000 a natural of Indonesia.

02:04:02.000 Let's be clear.

02:04:03.000 And therefore, when he came back, according to our immigration laws, he would only become naturalized.

02:04:08.000 But someone did what's called a FOIA request, Freedom of Information request, send me a copy to ask for a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

02:04:14.000 It came back that he never had one.

02:04:16.000 Now, they didn't check for Barry Sitaro, but I think he never had one.

02:04:19.000 I think he traveled on his Indonesian passport.

02:04:21.000 That's why at age 20, he stopped in Indonesia on his way to Pakistan to renew his passport.

02:04:26.000 Let's be clear.

02:04:27.000 Let's be clear on this.

02:04:29.000 His real name's Barry Sitaro, on record correctly.

02:04:32.000 Coming up, we've got him calling into a radio show in D.C., calling himself Barry.

02:04:37.000 That's coming up.

02:04:38.000 His name is Barry Sitaro.

02:04:40.000 Folks, do you realize they're freezing all his documents, all his records.

02:04:43.000 They're covering something up.

02:04:46.000 That's even worse than him really being an Indonesian citizen. 1.00

02:04:49.000 We have an Indonesian citizen as our president, and once you, even if he had been a US citizen before, he'd have to waive that citizenship to become a citizen of Indonesia.

02:04:59.000 I mean, if I wanted to go waive my citizenship... One major world crisis away from having a totalitarian type of system.

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02:08:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:08:23.000 We have the father of the birther movement, Attorney Phil Berg, from Obamacrimes.com with us.

02:08:30.000 Former Deputy Attorney General in his state.

02:08:34.000 Member of the NAACP, Democrat, who during the primaries began to investigate Obama.

02:08:42.000 He's just on record, his real name's Barry Sotaro, a citizen of Indonesia.

02:08:45.000 That's the only record we can get.

02:08:48.000 He admits that, but says it's no big deal.

02:08:51.000 And the media never covers that.

02:08:53.000 They just say, we've shown the birth certificate, these people are lying.

02:08:57.000 Why has Obama sealed all of his school records?

02:08:59.000 Because the real name's Barry Sotaro, and a lot of people are coming forward saying, He was called Barry Sitaro then, and that he was getting foreign aid.

02:09:08.000 Now, we're going to go back to your calls, David, John, Nick, Ronald, and others.

02:09:13.000 Questions for Fillberg only on the subject of the Bertha issue and where his court cases are going.

02:09:21.000 But here's the associated I just want to say something because many people say, well a parent can't renounce, you know, give up their children's rights.

02:09:31.000 Well, that's true to a point.

02:09:32.000 But if Obama wanted to do that between the ages of 18 and 21, he would have had to renounce his Indonesia citizenship and reaffirm any citizenship that he did have for the United States.

02:09:44.000 There's no evidence he did that either.

02:09:46.000 He sealed all those records.

02:09:48.000 The college, everything.

02:09:49.000 Let's play this clip.

02:09:50.000 Just like everybody else, Barry from D.C.

02:09:52.000 called Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's radio show to complain about traffic.

02:09:57.000 But Barry from D.C.

02:09:58.000 was really President Barack Obama who, surprise, came with a prank call just like everybody else.

02:10:03.000 Barry from D.C.

02:10:04.000 Now, here is Obama, this is Associated Press, a couple months ago, this was December 22nd, 2009, last year, calling in, using his real name.

02:10:15.000 Here it is.

02:10:16.000 Governor, let's get back to the phones and let some callers.

02:10:18.000 We have Barry from D.C.

02:10:20.000 is calling.

02:10:20.000 Go ahead, Barry.

02:10:22.000 Well, Governor Kaine, this is actually the President of the United States calling.

02:10:28.000 No!

02:10:29.000 I have questions about...

02:10:33.000 About traffic in Northern Virginia.

02:10:36.000 But rather than go there, I just wanted to say how proud we are of your service as Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia and just I wish you and the family all the best this Christmas season.

02:10:54.000 And it goes on.

02:10:54.000 That's AP News right there.

02:10:56.000 AP Video.

02:10:58.000 So it's a big joke to him to use his real name, isn't it, Phil?

02:11:01.000 Yeah, it really is.

02:11:03.000 But when he does it, they acknowledge it. 0.96

02:11:04.000 It just reinforces the words I've been using, that he's a fraud and he's a phony.

02:11:09.000 You notice the secret service isn't coming after me because I'm talking the truth. 0.99

02:11:12.000 He's a fraud. 0.91

02:11:13.000 He's the biggest hoax in the history of our country, ladies and gentlemen. 0.97

02:11:17.000 We must stop it.

02:11:18.000 Well, it gets worse.

02:11:19.000 I could play video from Vermont and from Missouri where they had police go on the news and say, if you criticize Obama and say he's not a Christian or say he wasn't born here, we're going to arrest you.

02:11:32.000 Did you ever see that video?

02:11:34.000 I've never heard about it, so send it to me.

02:11:35.000 I'd like to see that one.

02:11:36.000 In fact, as Aaron the Headline, I think it's something like Thought Police in Missouri.

02:11:42.000 But the point is, no, that was on TV.

02:11:45.000 I mean, they were on TV saying, we will arrest you.

02:11:48.000 So that shows the mindset.

02:11:50.000 And it turned out the Obama campaign was having local Democrat police and sheriffs and prosecutors come out and threaten people.

02:11:58.000 I mean, this is Look, Jerome Corsi got the documents, the emails from Obama when he was in the Senate to his cousin, Odinga, threatening to, and saying, cause riots.

02:12:11.000 So you lost the election, cause riots, and they'll give you a position in the government, and they did.

02:12:16.000 Not only causing riots, what they did is they caused riots.

02:12:20.000 They set fire to churches with people alive.

02:12:22.000 They burned down churches.

02:12:23.000 They burned people alive.

02:12:24.000 I mean, that's a bad point.

02:12:27.000 And Obama told him to do it!

02:12:29.000 Right, and then Obama raised a million dollars for him during that time, and then by doing all that, they forced him to do something that was given a position in the government over there.

02:12:38.000 Yeah, before they just had President, what, they made a prime ministership for him?

02:12:42.000 Yep.

02:12:43.000 I mean, because they were burning everything down, and Obama told him in the email, burn it! 0.99

02:12:48.000 I mean, this guy's a terrorist! 0.98

02:12:49.000 There's no doubt about it! 0.99

02:12:50.000 Let's take another call here.

02:12:52.000 David Main, you're on the air, David.

02:12:54.000 Yes, gentlemen, I have a comment and a question.

02:12:57.000 Good job, Phil.

02:12:58.000 Thank you, David.

02:12:59.000 I will refer to our president from here on as President Sotero, and I recommend anybody else do the same, and when people ask you, what are you, you know, what is that all about, then explain to them everything that you've laid out.

02:13:12.000 Now, my question is a constitutional crisis question.

02:13:16.000 If it's found out, if we can prove that he's illegitimate, and I believe he is, then every executive order, every bill he's signed, every treaty, every foreign agreement is invalid.

02:13:28.000 What happens then if it's, say, three years into the presidency and this all comes out and he has to leave?

02:13:36.000 No doubt about it, it's pointless to argue.

02:13:40.000 Well, everything he's done is his bad, so that sounds great!

02:13:43.000 Yeah, David, that's why I don't want to wait three years.

02:13:45.000 I want to get it this year.

02:13:47.000 That's why I want the people to join with me when we have the announcement in March.

02:13:50.000 Because he is a phony.

02:13:51.000 Everything he did has done is void or voidable. 0.93

02:13:55.000 Um, it's really disgraceful.

02:13:56.000 And we are in a constitutional crisis because, and it would take another whole show, I can't go into the whole thing about who would become President.

02:14:02.000 He used to vote, I don't know about the amendment, he used to vote separate for President and Vice President.

02:14:06.000 He votes now jointly for them.

02:14:08.000 So therefore, I don't believe Biden would become, because it was a fraudulent ticket, to go back to January 8th, the joint session of Congress, where Congress violated their duty, because they were only going to vote for, their duty was to vote for, count the votes, electoral college votes for a qualified person.

02:14:23.000 So does it go back there?

02:14:25.000 Because if one member of the House, one member of the Senate had given a written objection, they would have gone to a separate House and Senate to discuss the issue.

02:14:33.000 And if they didn't agree, they would have nominated whoever they wanted for President and Vice President.

02:14:37.000 But because they didn't do their job, does it go back to December 15th, when all the electors met in the state capitals of the various states?

02:14:44.000 Hi Harry, we gotta move quick.

02:14:46.000 David, I appreciate your call.

02:14:46.000 for a constitutionally qualified candidate, or does it go back to November 8th election day?

02:14:51.000 We have a real mess on our hands, but I believe that mess has to be dealt with more so than keeping Obama afro-ed. 0.96

02:14:59.000 Hi, Harry, we've got to move quick.

02:15:00.000 David, I appreciate your call.

02:15:01.000 Speaking about threats, it came out in major newspapers last year that there's 25 people on Obama's hit list, and of course I'm number 24 on there, and it said that birther groups and yourself are also on the list, And there is no doubt that they've got an enemies list.

02:15:18.000 People need to be praying for all of us.

02:15:20.000 Alright, okay.

02:15:21.000 Please pray for everyone out there.

02:15:24.000 Absolutely, and also spread the word.

02:15:26.000 So you don't know when the march is going to be yet?

02:15:29.000 Well, no, we're working on that.

02:15:30.000 As soon as we have the date, I'll call you back and we'll have it up on our website and we'll tell you when we get on your show and spread the word.

02:15:36.000 But the initial reaction response from people was phenomenal.

02:15:40.000 People want to do something because it's something they can do.

02:15:43.000 And every one of your listeners can identify with the versatility of the issue.

02:15:46.000 One other thing, the people that Obama associated with, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I understand why it's been done.

02:15:53.000 He would get a job as a Chicago police officer with who he dealt with.

02:15:56.000 He couldn't get a job as an FBI agent or a Secret Service agent, but yet the Secret Service is protecting him.

02:16:02.000 I mean, think about it.

02:16:03.000 Doesn't even make sense.

02:16:04.000 I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I understand why it's been done.

02:16:08.000 In the old days, if you weren't three, four, or fifth generation, you couldn't be FBI or Secret Service because it was important that you not be a spy because when the Constitution was ratified, for those who don't know, they had cases of Austria sending its people, members of its government, they had cases of Austria sending its people, members of its government, its ruling class and royalty, into Poland and other countries to try to get elected and take over And so this has always been an old problem.

02:16:37.000 And if this guy Yeah, I mean, his real name's Barry Sitaro.

02:16:40.000 How is he our president?

02:16:41.000 As you say, the Indonesia thing is bonafide 100%. 1.00

02:16:45.000 That right there disqualifies him.

02:16:47.000 Forget the birth certificate.

02:16:49.000 Right.

02:16:49.000 Yep, absolutely.

02:16:50.000 And we're running an ad on that the next week at the paper, Washington Times.

02:16:55.000 And we're going to be doing ads across the country.

02:16:57.000 The more money we raise, we'll spread the word.

02:17:00.000 We must spread the word around the country.

02:17:01.000 And we want to march on Washington like we never saw.

02:17:04.000 Alright, let's talk to John in Maine.

02:17:06.000 John, you're on the air.

02:17:07.000 Go ahead.

02:17:09.000 Hi, please tell how his collegiate records are being sealed, or were sealed, his adult records.

02:17:17.000 How does that operate so I can show Mom?

02:17:21.000 Well, the reason that I was the first one that came out, I believe his college records were sealed for one reason.

02:17:26.000 It's gonna show he applied for and received foreign aid either way.

02:17:29.000 No, no, no, he's asking how were they sealed?

02:17:31.000 How were they sealed?

02:17:32.000 He had an executive order he signed the day of, uh, that he was sworn into office.

02:17:37.000 So the first thing on his mind when he got sworn in and had that executive power was to keep his record secret.

02:17:43.000 Absolutely.

02:17:45.000 Absolutely.

02:17:46.000 Because he doesn't want to think about it.

02:17:48.000 We know nothing about him.

02:17:49.000 We haven't seen one thing from him.

02:17:51.000 John, does that answer your question?

02:17:52.000 Yes, do you know the number of that executive order?

02:17:55.000 No, I don't.

02:17:56.000 I feel like it was my mom.

02:17:57.000 Hey guys, search engine Obama signs executive order sealing records.

02:18:01.000 I remember that in the news on January 22nd.

02:18:03.000 Obama signs executive order sealing records.

02:18:05.000 Thanks for the call, John.

02:18:07.000 Let's talk to Nick in Colorado.

02:18:08.000 Nick, you're on the air.

02:18:09.000 Go.

02:18:10.000 Hey, I just was wondering if we know that the shadow government basically put Obama into his position.

02:18:18.000 My question is, um, why do you think that, um, they didn't put somebody in there that could produce the documents or just, you know, produce documents for them since they have that kind of power?

02:18:27.000 I'll answer the question.

02:18:29.000 They knew he was slick and a darling.

02:18:31.000 They could blackmail him, uh, and control him with the information when they're being compromised.

02:18:35.000 And they love to violate our Constitution and sovereignty.

02:18:38.000 Like Obama became the first... I'm gonna play this later.

02:18:41.000 Did you guys cue it up?

02:18:43.000 In fall of the Republic, we have him becoming the first U.S.

02:18:45.000 President to coach To chair the U.N.

02:18:49.000 Security Council that violates the Constitution.

02:18:51.000 Phil Berg.

02:18:52.000 Yes, it does violate the Constitution.

02:18:54.000 And I think they put him up because... When I got the phone call, you've got to think about this, ladies and gentlemen.

02:18:59.000 The phone call I got was, they said, Phil, you're the only attorney in the country we know with a brace, you know what, that would sue Obama.

02:19:05.000 And that was an honor I took here, but since then, other attorneys have joined suit.

02:19:09.000 But it's very rare you're going to find someone that wants to challenge the President or someone of that stature.

02:19:13.000 And I did it because I think there's nothing more important than our Constitution.

02:19:17.000 And there's very few of us that would do something like that.

02:19:22.000 Absolutely.

02:19:23.000 And again, I meant to have it queued up with all the Republic.

02:19:25.000 We did like five minutes in the film.

02:19:27.000 And I'll play it before the show ends today after you leave us.

02:19:29.000 Specifically on him.

02:19:31.000 And CNN said he's now president of the world.

02:19:33.000 He has to swear the U.N.

02:19:35.000 oath.

02:19:35.000 And we give the subsection of the Constitution where it says you can't do that.

02:19:38.000 I mean, this is outrageous.

02:19:40.000 And anything he does to the national media is not anything detrimental.

02:19:44.000 The national media does not cover it.

02:19:46.000 We're going to jam in.

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02:24:00.000 What?

02:24:01.000 Lindsey Williams is coming up, but when we start the next segment, I'm going to play about four minutes from Fall of the Republic, where I break down Obama becoming the head of the UN.

02:24:25.000 And I'll give you the chapter and verse, the Constitution, where it's treason.

02:24:31.000 Ronald in New Jersey, you're on the air with Phil Berg.

02:24:35.000 Go ahead.

02:24:36.000 Yes, sir.

02:24:37.000 Mr. Berg, Alex, thank you very much.

02:24:40.000 Just to be quick, I have a question that I've been trying to get a good answer to for about a year.

02:24:46.000 I agree with everything you said.

02:24:48.000 I think that there's ample evidence that there is no birth certificate.

02:24:51.000 But even if there was, even if Obama was born in Hawaii, just by virtue of the fact that his father was never an American, and had he lived, could very well be ruling Kenya.

02:25:05.000 Well, doesn't that in itself contradict what was intended by the founders in coining the term natural-born citizens?

02:25:13.000 I don't believe so, and that's an argument other attorneys have come forth with.

02:25:17.000 I don't believe so because we keep changing the definition of natural-born.

02:25:22.000 For this reason, if a husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend are traveling any place in the world and a child is born, if both are U.S.

02:25:28.000 citizens, their child, when it comes back through immigration and gets a passport, is considered natural born.

02:25:33.000 The statute here, which was changed when Obama was supposedly born August 4th, 1961, the American citizen, in this case the mother, had to convey natural born status, had to live in this country for 10 years.

02:25:45.000 And five of those years had to be after the age of 14.

02:25:48.000 14 is 5 is 19.

02:25:49.000 She was only 18.

02:25:50.000 So she couldn't get a natural born.

02:25:53.000 So we've got them right there!

02:25:54.000 We have them all over the place. 0.80

02:25:57.000 The guys are fraud. 0.99

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02:26:00.000 His real name's Barry Sitaro!

02:26:02.000 Bob in Texas.

02:26:03.000 Bob, you're on the air.

02:26:04.000 Go ahead.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, I have two quick comments.

02:26:08.000 A comment for Mr. Berg was that back before the election, I was able to get through and talk to John Moody, the Vice President of Fox News, and his excuse for them not covering it is that it's quote-unquote not their job and that people shouldn't be lazy and do the work themselves.

02:26:28.000 Which I found pretty funny.

02:26:29.000 Your phone's really bad.

02:26:30.000 Do you have a question?

02:26:33.000 No, just a comment.

02:26:35.000 That's an interesting comment, because Fox is not their job.

02:26:39.000 Fox, it's very strange, they came out of New York, spent an hour and a half driving down here, filming for an hour and a half, went back to New York, never heard one minute of it.

02:26:47.000 But then, if it's not their job, then how come all the media, including Fox, ripped apart, and maybe Fox didn't do it, but all the other media ripped apart Sarah Palin?

02:26:56.000 Well, now Fox is going after you, Great Guns, with the birther thing. 0.93

02:27:01.000 I mean, it's incredible, folks.

02:27:03.000 I mean, that is wrong.

02:27:04.000 Phil Berg, even if he was wrong, has a right to ask these questions.

02:27:08.000 This is outrageous that Glenn Beck's doing that.

02:27:10.000 And I don't want to attack Glenn Beck, but I'm sick of him.

02:27:13.000 Okay, let's talk to John in Wisconsin.

02:27:15.000 John, you're on the air with Phil Berg.

02:27:17.000 Go ahead.

02:27:18.000 Yes, Mr. Burke.

02:27:18.000 Are you still looking for someone with a common ancestor?

02:27:21.000 Since that would convey a material interest in the birth certificate.

02:27:25.000 Sure.

02:27:26.000 Are you?

02:27:27.000 Yeah, I have a common ancestor.

02:27:29.000 Disadvantage of being a Mayflower family. 0.83

02:27:31.000 There are only so many white people on the continent.

02:27:33.000 Well, contact me afterwards and we'll see what we can do with it.

02:27:35.000 They'll probably won't.

02:27:36.000 They'll come up with some excuse, but... Yeah, that's too far back.

02:27:39.000 I mean, if he's related to the Mayflower, then I'm related to Obama on both sides of my family.

02:27:44.000 Yeah, that's true, too.

02:27:45.000 That's probably too far back, but contact me.

02:27:47.000 We'll see what we can do.

02:27:48.000 Thank you.

02:27:48.000 Alright, sir.

02:27:48.000 Thanks for the call.

02:27:50.000 Now, let's talk to George in Connecticut.

02:27:51.000 You're on the air with Phil Burr.

02:27:52.000 Go ahead.

02:27:53.000 Hey Alex, I know you're a hard man to get through to four times, but anyway, the main point is both you guys should try to sue through the English court for them trying to slander you, whatever, especially for you with the financial times, because you don't even have to prove that they slandered you.

02:28:10.000 They have to prove that they were innocent of not slandering you.

02:28:15.000 All right, George, it's a good point.

02:28:16.000 You have been slandered by the Murdoch papers in England.

02:28:21.000 I've seen it, and I have as well. 1.00

02:28:22.000 You can sue their pants off and own them and then use their own money to kick their ass all over the world. 1.00

02:28:27.000 All right, George, it's a good point. 1.00

02:28:28.000 You have been slandered by the Murdoch Papers in England.

02:28:31.000 I've seen it, and I have as well.

02:28:33.000 What about that?

02:28:35.000 Interesting point.

02:28:36.000 I'm swamped right with the Obama thing, but we'll have to consider that.

02:28:41.000 You had me, Alex.

02:28:41.000 I would do something to get the money out of these people.

02:28:44.000 But I'm more concerned right now with using my efforts to out Obama or Barrister Toro, and we'll worry about... Yeah, that's the big fish.

02:28:51.000 That's the big fish we've got to fry.

02:28:52.000 Jamming in, one more call.

02:28:55.000 Chris in Maryland, you're on the air.

02:28:58.000 Hey guys, hey fellas, it's my understanding, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I had a discussion with my dad, but the real issue isn't your Hannity's and your Glenn Beck's.

02:29:07.000 Isn't the real problem the progressives that are taking over our nation?

02:29:11.000 Absolutely, but the problem is Beck supported the banker bailout.

02:29:14.000 Beck says global warming's real now.

02:29:16.000 We've discredited the fake liberals.

02:29:19.000 I'm attacking anybody who's unconstitutional, but I mean, what's your point there?

02:29:26.000 The point is, is that the progressives, and I believe maybe 100% of the Democrats and the majority of the Republicans together, are all progressive and destroying the Constitution.

02:29:35.000 They're after the Constitution.

02:29:36.000 All right, listen, I gotta let you go, because that's not really a question on this issue.

02:29:40.000 Phil Berg, we got Lindsey Williams coming up, and I'm gonna get him to hold a few minutes.

02:29:44.000 I'm sure he's fine, because we've got an hour and a half with him coming up.

02:29:47.000 I want to come back and take some calls.

02:29:48.000 One guy disagrees, Ted in North Carolina.

02:29:51.000 We're on the march.

02:29:53.000 The empire's on the run.

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02:33:23.000 So check out their website up at Infowars.com or just Google Gusset Jeans.

02:33:30.000 Okay.

02:33:33.000 I saw this late last week, and it really upset me.

02:33:38.000 Because, sure, they look like real guns.

02:33:40.000 You can buy an M16, you can buy something that looks like an AK-47, you can buy stuff that looks like a Beretta handgun.

02:33:49.000 They shoot little plastic pellets.

02:33:52.000 So they're not even BB guns.

02:33:54.000 It's a little bit bigger pellet than a BB, about, I guess, three times the size.

02:33:57.000 I've bought quite a few of these guns to train my five-year-old daughter and seven-year-old son on marksmanship in the backyard.

02:34:07.000 And the ATF in Cornelius, Oregon, went in to one of the local dealers of Airsoft plastic pellet guns, that they have no statutory authority, nothing, went in, took the guns from Customs, it turns out Customs called them the toy guns, and are now claiming that they can just basically, outside of law, rule what is a firearm.

02:34:36.000 And we see cases where somebody's got an AR-15 that they bought legal, it has a malfunction, fires two or three rounds, the shooting range calls the police on them, and in federal court they say, it doesn't matter, even if you didn't know and it was a legal gun, you're going to prison.

02:34:55.000 So the ATF is harassing lawful gun owners.

02:34:59.000 Uh, they're raiding people every day I see in the news.

02:35:01.000 Neighbors will see somebody with a rifle put in their car at their house.

02:35:04.000 The police come, they find five guns, a thousand rounds of ammo.

02:35:08.000 There's no law against an arsenal.

02:35:10.000 They call an arsenal, they take your guns, arrest you.

02:35:14.000 Without a law!

02:35:16.000 And so we're joined by Brad Martin of Airsoft, and we'll give you his website here specifically, from Oregon.

02:35:26.000 But he and his son run this toy store, and these are sold in Walmart.

02:35:30.000 These are sold in Academy.

02:35:32.000 These are sold most hardware stores, hunting supply stores. 0.96

02:35:36.000 I mean, this is ridiculous.

02:35:37.000 And for them to say you can cartridge And could build a real gun out of this, because it looks like a gun. 1.00

02:35:43.000 I mean, it's asinine. 0.98

02:35:46.000 I mean, yeah, if you spent two or three times the money it takes to buy a real gun, maybe you could, and it'd blow up in your face.

02:35:52.000 So he joins us to talk about all the different facets and angles of this, and how this is just being selectively enforced, and even the selective enforcement is just made up.

02:36:04.000 And if this is allowed to stand, It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent, because if they can ban BB guns that shoot plastic BBs, what's going to happen to the deadly Red Rider?

02:36:18.000 Will it be banned as an assault weapon?

02:36:20.000 So, we now speak to our guest Brad Martin.

02:36:22.000 Brad, break down exactly what happened and all the latest developments for us.

02:36:26.000 Well, hi there, Mr. Jones.

02:36:28.000 Yeah, this started back in October of 2009.

02:36:32.000 We import airsoft toy guns and airsoft equipment to go along with those.

02:36:38.000 And over the last five or six years, we've had several interventions from customs where they've taken in the vicinity of about $17,000 worth of product from us.

02:36:49.000 And, you know, I haven't really made a big issue out of it.

02:36:54.000 We just took our licks and kept on keeping on and keeping on sort of.

02:36:59.000 But bottom line is this most recent seizure in October was of 30 gas-powered M4 lookalikes.

02:37:12.000 And these pieces are 100% legitimate.

02:37:16.000 They're designed to fire these quarter-inch plastic BBs, as you described, and that's their function.

02:37:24.000 Well, when customs received these, One or two of their agents looked at them and decided that it was above their pay grade to make a call on these things.

02:37:35.000 So they called in the ATF to look at them.

02:37:38.000 So ATF took one or more of these things back to their laboratory in Maryland or wherever this thing is.

02:37:46.000 Held them for five months, and then in early February, after I had mailed some protest letters to the ATF and Customs, I finally get a response back saying that I was not going to get these toy guns back.

02:38:00.000 And they quoted a code.

02:38:05.000 It was code number 922.

02:38:08.000 And it seems that the thing that they're seizing upon is that these toy guns are easily convertible.

02:38:15.000 to real steel firearms.

02:38:17.000 So in other words, you're saying anybody with a little bit of effort can take these guns, these toys, and turn them into real guns.

02:38:25.000 And from our perspective, this is just totally absurd.

02:38:28.000 Because they look like real guns.

02:38:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:37.000 The other day, the port director from Customs in Seattle called all the local TV affiliates in and gave this news conference on air holding one of our guns.

02:38:51.000 and And saying that this is a threat to the safety of America.

02:38:56.000 And he labeled them as machine guns.

02:38:59.000 And while he was talking and handling this gun of ours, this toy of ours, he was trying to stick the magazine into the mag well.

02:39:07.000 And he had the magazine turn around backwards.

02:39:10.000 He didn't even know which way the bloody magazine was turning.

02:39:15.000 We're going to play a clip of this coming up.

02:39:17.000 You've got the ATF agent putting on this big Hullabaloo, trying to scare everybody to set the precedent to ban something that isn't even a BB gun because it looks scary to them.

02:39:32.000 My God, if this is allowed to stand, this is an incredible new precedent.

02:39:36.000 Well, it is.

02:39:37.000 It is scary.

02:39:38.000 You know, and this is a David and Goliath scenario where, you know, I could bankrupt myself fighting the federal government and still end up a loser here.

02:39:46.000 But, you know, it's time for us to stir up the pot a little bit and kind of try to put the brakes on this behavior.

02:39:54.000 We're going to play this video that's up on your website for ThePrisonPlanet.tv viewers and radio listeners.

02:40:02.000 Give us your web address for folks that want to follow this case.

02:40:06.000 Okay, sure.

02:40:07.000 The web address is airsoftoutletnw.com.

02:40:14.000 So, AirsoftOutletNorthwest.com, just NW.

02:40:19.000 Yeah, just NW, not the Northwest, just NW.

02:40:22.000 Alright, we're going to play one of the myriad of newscasts trying to create a panic over the devilish plastic BB gun that is so scary looking.

02:40:34.000 Here it is.

02:40:36.000 And welcome everyone, and good evening.

02:40:37.000 I'm Jeff Giannola.

02:40:38.000 And I'm Kelly Day.

02:40:39.000 Federal agents seized a ship of toy guns they say in the wrong hands that could have actually been deadly.

02:40:46.000 In this COINLOCAL6 exclusive, our reporter Alexis Del Cid talked to the local businessman who Who ordered these toy guns?

02:40:52.000 And I see you have one there, huh, Alexis?

02:40:54.000 Jeff, this is an example of one of the toy guns seized.

02:40:56.000 And besides the orange tip, it looks pretty real.

02:40:59.000 But this is an airsoft toy.

02:41:00.000 It shoots plastic BBs.

02:41:02.000 And the man who ordered these says anyone with any knowledge of weapons should be able to figure that out.

02:41:11.000 No bullets, just plastic BBs.

02:41:13.000 Not a battlefield, just a wooded area made to look like one.

02:41:16.000 It's another version of paintball.

02:41:18.000 For the past seven years, Brad Martin and his son Ben say their family business in Cornelius has steadily grown as simulated combat gaming grows in popularity across the country.

02:41:28.000 This is the contemporary version of Civil War reenactment.

02:41:32.000 While they aim for authenticity in every piece of gear, the Martins didn't anticipate a seizure by customs and ATF agents in Tacoma as their latest shipment of toy guns arrived from Taiwan.

02:41:43.000 Any kid, any parent, any adult going out of the house with this.

02:41:51.000 He needs to be ready for trouble.

02:41:53.000 ATF Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw says not only is the shipment missing the orange tips required on all imported toy guns... With minimal work, it could be converted to a machine gun.

02:42:07.000 To say these are readily convertible to machine guns is absolutely preposterous.

02:42:10.000 The round wouldn't go into the barrel for one, and two, if the firing pin did strike the primer, the gun would basically blow up in your face.

02:42:16.000 Also, the Martins say there are tens of thousands of replicas just like these sold in America already.

02:42:22.000 The only reason they buy from Taiwan is because it's cheaper.

02:42:25.000 Until now.

02:42:26.000 He spent all this manpower, tax dollars, and time, and wasted my time, my money, my profitability, To seize 30 toy guns.

02:42:38.000 That's what he's done.

02:42:39.000 And he's portrayed himself as a great hero.

02:42:43.000 But ATF insists that it did the testing and determined that yes, these can be converted into military-grade weapons.

02:42:50.000 The Martins requested to see the documentation of that and they were told that they'd have to file a freedom of information request with ATF.

02:42:57.000 Now as for the orange chips, this one has one of the ones that came in from Taiwan.

02:43:01.000 Didn't, but the Martins say that's happened before with their shipments from Taiwan and they just had to go up to Okay, and we have Brad Martin online with us.

02:43:17.000 So, you've got an ATF officer in a fancy suit who can't even put the cartridge in it.

02:43:24.000 He can't put the magazine in it.

02:43:25.000 It shoots little bitty round plastic BBs that look like they're even smaller than .22 caliber.

02:43:31.000 There's no room for a cartridge to go in.

02:43:33.000 There's no room for propellant.

02:43:35.000 He uses air to shoot plastic BBs and what's really happening, I saw this five years ago or so in England where they're trying to ban these over there.

02:43:43.000 They don't like the gun culture growing because this is a gateway to real firearms.

02:43:48.000 People are finding out how much fun it is to target shoot or to dress up in gear and you know go to the equivalent of paintball ranges.

02:43:57.000 You know, run around with my children, uh, you know, in the backyard and shoot targets and shoot tin cans, and you learn how to be a good marksman, then they graduate to BB guns, then they graduate to real firearms, and to... This is incredible.

02:44:12.000 This is lawlessness, and you told me off-air that you've talked to other ATF branches, and they're like, we can't believe this happened.

02:44:18.000 These aren't real firearms.

02:44:19.000 We don't... We don't have a, uh, statutory authority.

02:44:23.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:44:24.000 They're in your area.

02:44:25.000 They're just going to do whatever they want.

02:44:28.000 And I guess if they don't have a law, they don't care.

02:44:30.000 Because he says, you go outside with this, you're looking for trouble.

02:44:35.000 He feels like you shouldn't have this as a slave.

02:44:38.000 And so he's going to take them.

02:44:40.000 That's the end of it.

02:44:40.000 It doesn't matter if it's a $30,000 shipment.

02:44:42.000 It doesn't matter.

02:44:43.000 Because they run this country now.

02:44:46.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

02:44:49.000 After about three months of this seizure going on, I started writing letters and calling people.

02:44:54.000 I talked to an agent back in Maryland, I believe it was, who was in the ATF Division of Firearms Importations.

02:45:05.000 And I explained the situation to her, and she said, well, why did ATF take Airsoft?

02:45:11.000 And I said, well, I guess because they can.

02:45:14.000 And she said, well, ATF has no jurisdiction over Airsoft.

02:45:18.000 And if you would like to, if you would give my telephone number, meaning her telephone number, to the local ATF people and tell them to call her, she would inform them that they have no jurisdiction over Airsoft.

02:45:32.000 Now again, uh... I didn't dissuade them.

02:45:35.000 Oh, that didn't dissuade them, so... No, no.

02:45:38.000 So explain, who you separately talked to at ATF, who was... what her position is, and then what they said, because we want to write an article about this.

02:45:47.000 Yeah, well, exactly, and I can provide you with a phone number at some future... I don't have it with me right here, but as I mentioned, after going through After calling the ATF back east and explaining my situation to about four or five people, I finally got to this agent in, as I mentioned, the Division of Firearms Importation.

02:46:11.000 And I explained it to her, and she said, We have no jurisdiction over Airsoft.

02:46:18.000 The ATF controls by ruling.

02:46:22.000 That's what they do.

02:46:24.000 They see something.

02:46:24.000 They don't need a law about it.

02:46:26.000 They just make a ruling.

02:46:28.000 Yeah, let me expand on that.

02:46:30.000 Let me expand on that.

02:46:32.000 This is a commerce issue.

02:46:34.000 You've been robbed when an officer, federal or state, operates clearly outside their jurisdiction, consciously, through color of law.

02:46:42.000 You have been physically robbed, and so you file a criminal police report that you've been robbed.

02:46:49.000 Well, in essence, I wrote to him and I said, you know, what's happening with this shipment?

02:46:55.000 Why am I getting no information about this?

02:46:57.000 Because they're incredibly secretive.

02:47:00.000 They don't give you any information.

02:47:02.000 No judge, no jury, no indictment, no interview, no arrest, no paperwork.

02:47:07.000 Just your 30,000 of toy guns is gone, pal.

02:47:11.000 We don't need no stinking warrants or paperwork.

02:47:14.000 We rule America.

02:47:15.000 You don't sell toy guns around here, boy.

02:47:19.000 Absolutely, that's right.

02:47:20.000 And I figured that if they really thought my guns were machine guns like they said they were, I'd be in handcuffs by now.

02:47:27.000 But they're not down here arresting me.

02:47:31.000 And they're not in other vendors.

02:47:35.000 This is sold at Walmart, Academy, everywhere the exact same fake M16 plastic toy guns.

02:47:43.000 People are running around with these having a great time and it's buoying the gun culture and I think this is an ATF case on purpose from the Obama administration.

02:47:53.000 We confirmed in Austin they shut down a gun show with no law to set a national precedent and I believe they picked you as a small independent dealer to set the precedent.

02:48:04.000 It wouldn't surprise me at all.

02:48:05.000 Yes sir, I agree with you.

02:48:08.000 Yeah, nothing would please me more.

02:48:10.000 your website again for legal eagles, lawyers on the West Coast, other people that want to bring civil rights suits, commerce suits, robbery suits, criminal charges.

02:48:19.000 We have a lot of experts out there that are listening that would want to email you advice.

02:48:24.000 Yeah, nothing would please me more.

02:48:26.000 My website is www.airsoftoutletnw.com.

02:48:33.000 Now, tell people, Brad Martin, when this first happened and any new developments because we're quite a few days into this and I guess they say, look, talk to the hand.

02:48:44.000 You don't get paperwork, you don't get anything, we just rob you.

02:48:49.000 Well, that's basically it.

02:48:51.000 Now, I spoke to an ATF agent up in Tacoma a week or ten days ago, and this guy had his head screwed on straight.

02:49:00.000 I think there are some really good agents in the company, basically, but the anti-gun influence is so strong that I think these sensible guys get shouted down.

02:49:13.000 But I was talking to him, and he said that basically Customs has me on a hit list now, but anytime one of my orders hits port, they're going to flag my order.

02:49:25.000 They're going to take it for intensive examination.

02:49:28.000 And right now, they have two more of my orders backed up in port for intensive examination.

02:49:34.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:49:34.000 They're going to put you out of business! 0.71

02:49:35.000 They got a $30,000 order and just grabbed it with the ATF.

02:49:40.000 What have they gotten now?

02:49:41.000 Oh, they've got about another $20,000 in there now.

02:49:43.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 About another $20,000.

02:49:47.000 Unbelievable.

02:49:47.000 Well, people need to all over the country order the guns you've got in stock, the plastic toy pellet guns, just to keep you afloat.

02:49:55.000 Because that's one thing I've noticed the feds will do.

02:49:57.000 They'll just ruin you to set the precedent, pick a little guy, and then hope you just go away.

02:50:02.000 Yeah, well we're not going to go away.

02:50:04.000 You know, you piss off a Scotsman and they're going to fight back.

02:50:07.000 So I'm kind of fed up with their behavior.

02:50:11.000 I hear you, my friend.

02:50:12.000 I don't know if I can generate enough income to take the feds to court or not, but I'm going to look at that.

02:50:17.000 And I don't know if the NRA or other gun groups could take up interest in this and have talk.

02:50:25.000 We've got Larry Pratt on.

02:50:27.000 What is it?

02:50:28.000 Is Pratt on Thursday?

02:50:30.000 Head of Gun Owners of America, we're going to get, believe me, Jews for Preservation of Firearms, or the Gun Owners of America, is going to want to help you. 0.92

02:50:38.000 We've got the ATF red-handed here in lawlessness, color of law, Shanghai-ing, free-booting, this is the same as just robbing a stagecoach.

02:50:49.000 I mean, they are bandits here, and if the precedent gets set by customs and these guys, we're all in deep trouble.

02:50:55.000 We've got to hang together, or we'll surely hang separate.

02:50:58.000 One more segment, sir, stay right there.

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02:55:10.000 Going back to this gentleman, Brad Martin, I mean, this is like more than Orwellian.

02:55:16.000 It's surreal, like a comedy.

02:55:18.000 The news, holding up a gun with a red tip, a little toy plastic machine gun, saying, oh my gosh, it's so scary, and an ATF guy will put his picture up there.

02:55:28.000 You know, looking like he's in deep fear over all this.

02:55:31.000 I mean, if they can get toy guns, nothing's safe.

02:55:35.000 It's true, the truth.

02:55:36.000 You know, I was talking, I went over to the local coffee shop for a cup this morning, and the police chief from our town was in there.

02:55:47.000 And off the record, not as police chief, but he's 100% behind us on this.

02:55:52.000 And he and I were talking, and he was saying that That Americans are afraid of everything.

02:55:59.000 And the government wants to protect us from everything that's even a little bit scary.

02:56:04.000 And basically that's what's happening here.

02:56:06.000 You know, this creeping totalitarianism of the government wanting to have their fingers and control everything.

02:56:12.000 And it's just got to stop somewhere.

02:56:15.000 I don't know where it stops.

02:56:18.000 Well, look at this ATF officer.

02:56:20.000 What is his name?

02:56:20.000 Clevin?

02:56:22.000 Throw him back up on the screen.

02:56:23.000 Clevin Crenshaw.

02:56:24.000 I mean, he's in what looks like a $2,000 suit.

02:56:27.000 Taxpayer paid for.

02:56:29.000 That's a beautiful suit he's wearing.

02:56:31.000 I gotta say that.

02:56:33.000 I mean, this is a stunt for him.

02:56:35.000 A stunt from the ATF.

02:56:36.000 Guaranteed Obama's pushing this.

02:56:39.000 And he's here trampling on your right to commerce.

02:56:43.000 They've now got $50,000 of your toy guns, and they just think you're not even human!

02:56:49.000 I mean, doing this to you, it's like you don't even exist!

02:56:54.000 That's so true.

02:56:54.000 You know, it's like, since when is it a crime against a vendor who brings in a legal product and somebody somewhere, some wacko, decides that he's going to convert that legal product into something illegal, why does that make it the vendor's crime that he's brought in a legal product?

02:57:17.000 But by the way, I own some of these.

02:57:21.000 I mean, it converts something that's air-powered and doesn't even have the mechanism to, you know, put in a cartridge that has powder that projects it? 0.96

02:57:29.000 I mean, this is asinine!

02:57:31.000 I mean, sure, if you went to a top machinist, maybe they could build something that would chamber a round, but then this is tin metal, it would blow up! 0.88

02:57:40.000 Well, that's our point, too.

02:57:42.000 And if a guy wanted an AR-15 or an M4, he could go to his local gun store and pay $1,000 and get a dependable platform instead of going to an airsoft store and paying probably around $500 and get a dependable platform instead of going to an airsoft store and paying probably around $500 for this product, spending all kinds of time and energy trying to convert this into a gun that's It's totally illogical.

02:58:10.000 Do you agree with me though that they've been trying to kill the gun culture and that Airsoft is literally one of the, and I noticed this years ago, one of the key things getting people into the gun culture.

02:58:23.000 I think you're right.

02:58:24.000 I think they're scared of it.

02:58:25.000 I think they're scared of an armed electorate is what they're scared of.

02:58:29.000 I tell you what, I know you've got to go, but we're going to break for one minute.

02:58:32.000 Let's do five more so we can talk about this creeping totalitarianism with you, then it's open phones and news blitz for the rest of the final hour.

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03:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

03:00:24.000 We are live, ladies and gentlemen, one hour into this Wednesday, 17th day of February, 2010.

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03:00:41.000 Thank you for joining us for the next hour.

03:00:43.000 Lord Christopher Monckton, the third Viscount of Monckton and Brinsley, A journalist, a researcher, a scientist, a consultant, one of the top advisors to Margaret Thatcher.

03:00:56.000 We're very honored to have him.

03:00:57.000 He just got back from a whirlwind tour of Australia with devastating effect on the fraud there.

03:01:02.000 Rudd collapsing as the global warming fraud continues to fall in on itself.

03:01:10.000 Huge developments.

03:01:10.000 We're going to cover more than 30 climate gate level scandals that have come out, each overshadowing the next or the last.

03:01:19.000 We're also going to cover their counter-strike plans, as Schwarzenegger and others said at Copenhagen when it was clear it was dead.

03:01:24.000 They're going to take over the cities and states.

03:01:26.000 Austin faces $2.6 billion in the next three years in taxes on energy alone, according to Austin Energy and the mayor.

03:01:33.000 They're set later this month or early next month to vote it through.

03:01:37.000 The UN is involved here locally.

03:01:38.000 So we're going to look at it all today.

03:01:41.000 Also, criminal prosecutions of these frauds.

03:01:44.000 Uh, Phil Jones, one of the headmasters at collating the fraudulent data, admitting now that Lord Monckton is right.

03:01:51.000 Since 1995, no warming.

03:01:53.000 So, uh, we're gonna go to break here in a moment, but for the next hour, Lord Christopher Monckton To chronicle and break down, as no one else can, the leading expert, in my educated opinion, on the full scope of this attempted revolution to bring society under neo-feudalistic serfdom.

03:02:12.000 Sir, thank you for joining us.

03:02:13.000 Well, Alex, what a wonderful introduction.

03:02:16.000 I just can't wait to hear what I'm going to say.

03:02:21.000 We've got about two and a half minutes before we go to break.

03:02:22.000 Just give us a brief overview of what you're going to be covering.

03:02:26.000 Well, I think the first thing we've got to do is to say that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, that's the UN's climate panel, which has produced four major reports on the climate saying we're all doomed, is now effectively dead.

03:02:39.000 There have been so many revelations over recent weeks of its failure to do the science properly, of it deliberately including false and alarming data with the intention, as a declared intention, of influencing government.

03:02:55.000 It's all over for the IPCC.

03:02:58.000 Nobody is going to take it seriously ever again.

03:03:01.000 I think that's the main point.

03:03:03.000 But then you're quite right.

03:03:04.000 As you said in your introduction, the problem we've now got is that even though national governments are now beginning to realise they can't go on getting away with this because it isn't a vote winner, Local administrations still bullied by these hugely well-funded environmental lobby groups like Greenpeace, which, as far as I know, has a fleet of ships larger than the British Navy.

03:03:29.000 Goodness knows where it gets the money from to run them, but I saw one of their huge ships parked up in Copenhagen with propaganda slogans painted all over it.

03:03:39.000 These organizations are very active at local and state level, and what we're going to need to do eventually is, at government level, simply ban any spending on global warming-related matters, because this scare is now officially dead.

03:03:58.000 I want you again today to address the criminal activities, criminal investigations, your continued challenge for Al Gore to debate you, I have it out of the Dallas Morning News today.

03:04:08.000 The state of Texas is moving to block Austin and other cities that have literally been paid off by these organizations to seize the infrastructure and levy taxes.

03:04:20.000 I mean, the $2.6 billion, and that's Austin Energy, is bigger per year over the three years than the entire current taxing system.

03:04:30.000 I mean, talk about a power grab!

03:04:33.000 That's right, it is outrageous what's going on, and the only way to do that is to stop it from the top down.

03:04:40.000 So that eventually everybody realises that this money-making game, at the expense chiefly of the working taxpayer, it's your blue-collar guy, the guy on whose back, on whose sweat are his brows, the rest of us live so comfortably, it's he who is going to get marmalised and clobbered.

03:04:58.000 Stay there, Lord Monckton.

03:05:00.000 Gotta break.

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03:08:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

03:08:23.000 We are live.

03:08:24.000 Lord Christopher Monckton is our guest.

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03:08:29.000 It is invaluable research to understand this criminal group internationally seeking to really bring in a form of slavery.

03:08:37.000 Scienceandpublicpolicy.org, ladies and gentlemen.

03:08:41.000 We're going to cover a whole host of issues as Lord Monckton briefs us on the open collapse of the carbon tax area of the fake green movement.

03:08:52.000 But first, sir, And of course they're regrouping, we'll talk about that.

03:08:56.000 Tell us about the success of your trip in Australia.

03:08:59.000 I, every day, tuned in to video clips of you on radio and TV, in debates, packed houses everywhere, hands down, trouncing the opposition, and you could see in their eyes, no longer that arrogant false aplomb, that chutzpah, now they look like beaten men.

03:09:21.000 They are in Galloping Retreat.

03:09:23.000 It was very interesting.

03:09:24.000 I mean, I arrived in Australia.

03:09:26.000 Nobody there had heard of me, but there was a really good PR guy who came to see me the day I landed.

03:09:31.000 He said, right, we've laid on a program for you to start going into studios.

03:09:35.000 The moment that began, Then I was rushing from studio to studio, got massive coverage on all the major channels, all the major newspapers, even the left-wing ones couldn't resist having a go at me, as it were.

03:09:47.000 Then, on our first speaker meeting, which was in the largest ballroom in Sydney, which seats a thousand people, we were absolutely full.

03:09:57.000 People had began queuing at 10 in the morning for a meeting that began at 5.30 in the afternoon.

03:10:04.000 And they were queuing down three floors of the hotel, right round the grand staircase, and out into the street outside.

03:10:10.000 We had to turn several hundred people away, unfortunately.

03:10:14.000 Absolutely extraordinary interest, and this happened all over Australia.

03:10:19.000 We went to the working class district of Newcastle in the Hunter Valley, which is the coal mining area, and we had a small room booked in the town hall.

03:10:28.000 We had to abandon that and go into the main town hall building itself, which seats a thousand.

03:10:33.000 Then we had to open the gallery, which seats another few hundred, and even then we had to turn people away.

03:10:38.000 Same thing happened in Brisbane.

03:10:40.000 We had a debate there, which I think the other side reckoned we won it by a country mile.

03:10:45.000 Then we had a meeting at the Irish Club there.

03:10:47.000 They had never seen so many people in that club as they saw that day.

03:10:50.000 700 of them jammed into the room.

03:10:53.000 Then we went up to Noosa, where the Deputy Leader of the Opposition in Parliament turned up to hear me, and he ended up outside, not being able to get in, along with 250 people, because that too was packed out.

03:11:05.000 So I had an impromptu meeting at the car park to cope with them.

03:11:08.000 Then we went down to Melbourne, same thing, absolutely packed out, a ballroom seating a thousand, absolutely full.

03:11:15.000 Then we went up to Canberra and the press club could only seat 300 and we turned at least as many as that away.

03:11:22.000 Then we went down to Adelaide, same thing happened there.

03:11:25.000 We had an overflow room, that was full as well.

03:11:27.000 We had to go speak in both rooms.

03:11:29.000 Then we went up to Perth, where they had to lay on not only an overflow room, but an overflow meeting the following day, because 2,000 people wanted to hear me speak.

03:11:40.000 And as we went around Australia, the crowds got bigger and also got younger, more and more younger people beginning to come to hear the truth about the climate.

03:11:49.000 So a quite extraordinary, overwhelming response, as a result of which I got to meet the leader of the opposition, Tony Abbott, who, if you remember, won office as leader of the opposition over Malcolm Turnbull, his rival, who had previously supported Australia's attempt to have a carbon trading sort who had previously supported Australia's attempt to have a carbon trading sort of cap-and-tack scheme like that which the Democrats in And Turnbull was defeated by his own party.

03:12:15.000 And Tony Abbott, who is sceptical about climate change, has taken over the first politician to win office because he doesn't believe this.

03:12:24.000 So, it was a very good time we had in Australia, Um, very, very receptive audiences, 500 mentions of the tour in the media, both print and electronic, uh, and, uh, according to the people who invited me there, two retired engineers from, from Newspaper who organized the whole thing and paid for it out of their own pockets, fortunately.

03:12:45.000 And we made the money back by the huge crowds that turned up all paying their $20 to hear me talk.

03:12:51.000 But it was an astonishing event.

03:12:53.000 They say that this has actually changed the opinion in Australia.

03:12:58.000 Now why has it done that?

03:12:59.000 Not because I'm a brilliant speaker, but because people were absolutely desperate to hear the other side of the story, which they couldn't get in the mainstream news media.

03:13:10.000 Because the mainstream news media won't even give you the facts.

03:13:14.000 They won't even tell you.

03:13:16.000 That global warming over the last 15 years hasn't been happening in any statistically significant sense.

03:13:23.000 That has now, at last, been publicly admitted by Phil Jones, who's the head of the now deposed and disgraced head of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

03:13:35.000 He's been chucked out because he was caught trying to oppress and tamper with and hide and even destroy scientific data.

03:13:44.000 And the Climategate emails that got released by a whistleblower that have been all round the web did for him.

03:13:50.000 But he was then interviewed by a sympathetic BBC interviewer who nevertheless Got in touch with me first and said, what questions should I ask?

03:13:58.000 And I said, one thing you should ask is asking whether there has been any statistically significant global warming for the last 15 years.

03:14:05.000 And Phil Jones, albeit through gritted teeth, had to admit what he had never before ever publicly said, that yes, I've been right all along.

03:14:14.000 There hasn't been any statistically significant global warming for 15 long years, a decade and a half.

03:14:22.000 I mean, that is the most extraordinary admission by somebody who had been pushing out the official line of the rest of us recent decade has been the warmest on the record.

03:14:31.000 Yes, it has, but we still haven't had any significant warming for 15 years.

03:14:37.000 Now they're beginning to have to tell us the truth, and the media are beginning to have to print the truth, having concealed it from their own readers for a long time.

03:14:47.000 And I think that's the value of the Australian tour.

03:14:50.000 It made the Australian media and many others around the world realize that by deliberately suppressing The fact that they don't happen to fit their chosen storyline about the alarming, dreadful, supposed global warming problem, they are not doing their readers any favour.

03:15:07.000 They've now got to start at least giving the facts, whatever opinions they may like to have, is another matter.

03:15:11.000 But they must now do their job and give us the proper, unbiased, scientific facts.

03:15:18.000 Because if they don't, Then, as I said many times, because everywhere I went I was asked this question, what about the mainstream media?

03:15:25.000 I said it's quite simple.

03:15:26.000 If they go on refusing to give you the facts, and you have to turn to Alex Jones and the electronic, you know, the radio shock jock and the internet to get your news because the mainstream television and newspapers won't give you the facts, Then the mainstream television and newspapers will lose audiences and they will go bust one by one and deservedly so.

03:15:49.000 And they are going bust.

03:15:50.000 I was cheered to the echo.

03:15:52.000 And they are going bust.

03:15:53.000 I mean, the points you make raise so many other issues, but the bottom line is you are a brilliant speaker because you've done the research.

03:16:03.000 You've been right for 20 years.

03:16:05.000 You recognize more than 20 years ago the danger of this criminal Enterprise, this criminal cult.

03:16:13.000 You know, we have the head climatologist for NASA saying, destroy industrialized society.

03:16:16.000 We have Maurice Strong saying, destroy industrialized society.

03:16:21.000 And just like in Russia or in Nazi Germany, when you suppress the truth, it explodes with even more force.

03:16:29.000 But expanding on that, we see the global battle against this fraud uh... every time we do stand up and take action we have success and and and nothing succeeds like success and so now that we have lost uh... this feeling of helplessness and we now have the true spirit of empowerment the route is

03:16:54.000 Uh, intensifying, and they've recognized that they're bald-faced, denying, and stonewalling, and ignoring Climategate for two weeks entirely, and Newsweek saying it's a conspiracy theory, Climategate didn't even happen.

03:17:07.000 This is only further destroying them, Lord Monckton, as you know.

03:17:11.000 So, how do you see this shaking out now?

03:17:14.000 How do you see them counter-striking?

03:17:17.000 They haven't spent, as you know, hundreds of billions of dollars Financing this takeover to go quietly in to the night?

03:17:25.000 No, I think that's very well put.

03:17:28.000 They're going to want to make sure that having invested all this time and effort, and of course it's not their money they've spent, it's your money they've spent, it's the taxpayers' money they've spent on furthering this scare.

03:17:40.000 Of course they're going to want to get their dividend in the way of closing down the Western economy, but I don't think that's now going to happen.

03:17:48.000 I think that the financial recession hasn't helped them.

03:17:51.000 It began really, the rot, when the financial recession set in and people began thinking, you know, do we really believe this climate stuff because it's going to be very expensive if we do.

03:18:02.000 And then came climate change, then came the cold northern hemisphere, winter.

03:18:06.000 In fact, interestingly, the January temperatures worldwide were the highest Since satellite records began 32 years ago, because there's an El Nino going on, so sea temperatures are very much higher than they would normally be.

03:18:22.000 And interestingly, we think that that may be caused by undersea volcanic activity in the Eastern Pacific.

03:18:28.000 Nothing whatever to do with global warming caused by us.

03:18:32.000 So, gradually all these facts about how the climate really works are beginning to come out, and the media can no longer suppress them.

03:18:41.000 And so what I think the usual suspects are going to do now is they're going to realise that trying to maintain these endless scare stories about the climate when the climate simply isn't warming as they had predicted that it would is not going to work.

03:18:59.000 So what they're going to do instead, I think, is to go quiet for a bit.

03:19:04.000 and they'll beaver away at local level rather than at national level, because at national level we are watching and we will stop them.

03:19:13.000 You've got wonderful organisations like Fox News.

03:19:16.000 Now, how has that done so well?

03:19:18.000 It's done well because it does give you, on this and on so many other subjects, the fact that the mainstream news media otherwise wouldn't give because they've become so politicised.

03:19:28.000 They're all effectively Marxist, or totalitarian anyway, in the way they look at things.

03:19:34.000 And Fox News is simply saying, well, we will give the facts.

03:19:37.000 And so half, or just about half now, of the entire television news audience watches Fox News, because otherwise it won't get the facts.

03:19:46.000 And Lord Mongeon? 0.80

03:19:48.000 They've just been reading, for instance, a remarkably stupid piece in the Salt Lake Tribute, which is an extreme left-wing paper, which absolutely hates the administration there, which has, as you may know, passed a resolution saying global warming is nonsense and we're not going to spend any more money on it. 0.98

03:20:07.000 And that the Utah State Legislature has been the first to break ranks and say we're not having any more of this nonsense. 0.98

03:20:15.000 And the local newspaper is absolutely furious.

03:20:17.000 And so it rang up a scientist and got a quote, every single point of which was a lie.

03:20:24.000 So I wrote to the reporter concerned and said, what on earth do you think you're doing?

03:20:28.000 Why don't you ask this so-called scientist whether he has qualifications in climatology, paleoclimatology, physics, chemistry, mathematics.

03:20:40.000 And various other subjects on which he was claiming to be an authority because the statements he made, every single one of which was wrong, it turned out he wasn't any kind of climate scientist at all.

03:20:50.000 And this is the trouble, they just go to the people they know will sing the song they want to hear, rather than going to the people who actually know what the truth is.

03:20:59.000 And these local news media and these local administrations are definitely a pain and they're going to have to be dealt with and dealt with very firmly.

03:21:07.000 The way we've done this in the past in the United Kingdom, where you get a tough-minded, conservatively-minded government in office, is actually to circumscribe their powers so that they are forbidden to spend money on things like global warming.

03:21:22.000 You have to just tell them that is outwith their powers to do that.

03:21:26.000 And if you do that, I know it's harder in the States to do that than it is in the UK, but you can nevertheless constrain quite a bit what they spend the money on.

03:21:34.000 And the other thing is that now that the people...

03:21:37.000 are beginning to realize what rubbish this all is, and how much it's going to cost them.

03:21:43.000 And in particular, that it's going to cost working people, because they spend a bigger proportion on electricity and gasoline than everybody else.

03:21:51.000 They are the ones that are going to get hurt by this.

03:21:54.000 It doesn't matter what Henry Waxman or Ed Markey say about how they're going to compensate them.

03:21:59.000 The fact is, if they compensate them, then their bill won't make any difference to carbon emissions.

03:22:04.000 If they don't compensate them, then it's their own voters that are going to lose.

03:22:08.000 Either way, an ETS is just madness.

03:22:11.000 Any kind of emissions trading scheme, cap and trade, call it what you like, is now doomed.

03:22:15.000 And I think there's no way they'll get that through the Senate.

03:22:19.000 And I don't think the likes of Schwarzenegger and all those characters in California are going to get away with doing what they're doing, which is say, we're going to impose, at state level, taxes that are no longer going to be imposed at federal level.

03:22:31.000 If they try that, Then people will leave and already there's a kind of wagon train no longer heading west heading east back out of California with businesses getting out of California because California hates business and in the end the governor is going to run out of money because he'd have driven all the businesses away that used to pay the taxes that kept him in clover.

03:22:54.000 Now, Lord Monkton...

03:22:55.000 And we'll learn in the end that they can't get away with this, that the people will vote with their feet and get out of local administrations or state administrations that try to impose extra global warming taxes now that we know that global warming, as Henry Ford might have put it, is bunk.

03:23:12.000 Yes, and continuing along that line, and understanding that they're going to come back at us, The state of Texas has announced they are moving to pass laws against cities because you can't have cities operating outside state laws.

03:23:29.000 The cities and counties are chartered by the state and under its constitution.

03:23:36.000 And we have everybody, literally millions, moving every few years out of California, mainly to Texas.

03:23:43.000 That's why the UN lobbyists are here in Austin.

03:23:48.000 This is the big battleground.

03:23:49.000 They're trying to hurry and pass it this month or next month.

03:23:52.000 They were going to pass it in about six months.

03:23:54.000 They're in a hurry.

03:23:55.000 And I agree with you.

03:23:57.000 They're now saying, okay, you win, it's not real, go back to sleep, you won.

03:24:02.000 Because they know now that when they give us a fight back, that we know we're winning.

03:24:07.000 So that only energizes the people to take action.

03:24:09.000 So they're going to play possum.

03:24:11.000 And they're going to call it green jobs.

03:24:14.000 Now they've always done that to a certain extent, but they now have almost 100% shifted out of saying global warming.

03:24:20.000 We've got to save you.

03:24:20.000 Sky is falling too.

03:24:22.000 The economy is dead.

03:24:25.000 Only a green job will save you.

03:24:26.000 But in Australia, in Canada, in Spain, as you know, police sir, I'd like you to break it down.

03:24:33.000 And give people the actual numbers.

03:24:34.000 Green jobs cost, on average, two jobs for every job you create. 0.96

03:24:38.000 It costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund each low-paying green job.

03:24:43.000 And it doesn't work.

03:24:44.000 It's a boondoggle to their friends and Al Gore and others that own large stakes in the select green companies that the counties, cities, and states are forced, with the federal money, to purchase these systems from.

03:24:59.000 That's exactly right, and of course what you're talking about there, that two jobs destroyed for every one created, that's what's known as the Friedman Factor.

03:25:07.000 He won the Nobel Prize for Economics.

03:25:10.000 Thank you for pointing out that if the state, the taxpayer, is made to pay to create a job, every job that's created will destroy two jobs in the private sector.

03:25:20.000 And that's why you have to keep the public sector small.

03:25:23.000 And, of course, this green jobs argument is just another socialistic or communistic or totalitarian way of expanding the state-funded, publicly funded jobs.

03:25:37.000 And destroying the private sector as they go.

03:25:40.000 And of course Democrats are always willing to do that, because they know that most corporations don't vote Democrat, they don't like to contribute to the Democrat, and therefore they would rather shut down corporate America, because they think they will gain political advantage by doing it.

03:25:57.000 They don't care if they drive your nation backwards.

03:26:00.000 And of course, green jobs, as I said in front of the Energy and Commerce Committee of Congress and the Ways and Means Committee, I said the same for both the parties.

03:26:07.000 Green jobs are the new unemployment. 0.98

03:26:10.000 If you want to create unemployment, the fastest way to do it is for taxpayers to be made to subsidize the boondoggles, as you have so rightly called them.

03:26:20.000 There is no economic basis for wind farms, nor is there an environmental basis.

03:26:26.000 But it gives incredible power to the government to give their friends and families and others the money, and we have Obama We have Pachari, for those that don't know, the former or current head of the IPCC and others all openly making Al Gore masses of money off of this and specifically not only that Nobel Prize winning paper On the fact that government destroys jobs for every job it creates, it kills at least two.

03:26:53.000 We know in Spain, this is in Bloomberg, their own government admits every green job destroyed two jobs and cost additional money on top of that And we have England shutting down its steelworks, paying to move it to Pachari's own steelworks that he owns.

03:27:11.000 I mean, this is criminal on its face.

03:27:14.000 This is as criminal as a mugger bashing an old woman's head in with a hammer and robbing her.

03:27:21.000 This is as illegal as a serial killer kidnapping children.

03:27:25.000 I mean, this is... If you take that red car steelworks thing, there was a report about that at last.

03:27:31.000 On BBC television today they've been almost sullenly silent about it and they mentioned it today and did they mention that this was because Europe has an emissions trading scheme and carbon cap and trade and India doesn't and that's why the Indian Steelworks that owns the red car steelworks is moving it to India and that Indian Steelworks is the one that employs Pachauri.

03:27:55.000 None of that was made plain.

03:27:57.000 They just said it was world economic factors that were causing, you know, world economic load-up was causing that steelworks to shut.

03:28:03.000 It wasn't.

03:28:04.000 It was that we've got cap and trade and India hasn't.

03:28:08.000 And our jobs are being exported to India where precisely the same steelwork is going to be built, employing precisely the same number of people.

03:28:16.000 So there will be absolutely no benefit to the planet whatsoever, but quite unnecessarily we will have destroyed 1,700 British jobs and none of the major political parties has said said sorry to these hard-working steel workers in red car who have lost their jobs.

03:28:36.000 Not once.

03:28:37.000 They have sat on their hands and said nothing as these people are thrown out of work.

03:28:43.000 But the good news is, all over the country, people are recognizing what this is.

03:28:53.000 Of course, the provision they've now passed in Utah, We have him coming up in the next hour.

03:28:58.000 The state rep that actually introduced the bill.

03:29:01.000 And he has rightfully said this is a eugenics operation. 1.00

03:29:05.000 This is a population reduction move.

03:29:08.000 This is a plan to de-industrialize the West.

03:29:12.000 All he's doing is quoting from the UN.

03:29:15.000 Quoting from the very people that set this up.

03:29:19.000 Quoting from Maurice Strong, who said 25 years ago that he was setting up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as an intergovernmental rather than a scientific panel, precisely so that it could be transmogrified into a world government one day.

03:29:35.000 That's what he said.

03:29:37.000 Jacques Chirac.

03:29:38.000 He said some years ago that he wanted the world government to come out of the U.S.

03:29:44.000 climate deal.

03:29:45.000 Lord Monckton, stay there, we gotta break.

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03:33:45.000 Now, sir, you got cut off by the break.

03:33:48.000 You were getting into all these world leaders calling for global governance and saying the keystone The cornerstone of this is the phony environmental movement.

03:34:00.000 Continue.

03:34:01.000 Yes, that's right.

03:34:03.000 These people have been using the environmental movement as a way of advancing political objectives that have nothing whatsoever to do with the environment.

03:34:16.000 We're dealing with A Marxist who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, and a very great friend of ours, Eric Ellington, who was one of the founders of Greenpeace, who sadly died just two days ago.

03:34:30.000 He left Greenpeace shortly after he founded it, because so many of these people had come in and taken the organisation over.

03:34:39.000 For purposes that had nothing whatever to do with protecting the environment and were all about achieving political objectives that were bitterly and wickedly hostile to the interests of the West.

03:34:54.000 So this has really been a very, very sad business that the genuine environmental movement has been almost entirely captured now by people who hate the West And who hate success, who hate industry, who hate humanity, who rightly said before the break, they're there to try to get humanity to be killed in its billions.

03:35:19.000 They would like to reduce the population, some of them have said, to just 1 billion, there's a 7 billion it's coming up to at the moment.

03:35:25.000 They say that any more than that and we're encroaching too much on the planet.

03:35:29.000 And they're prepared to use the most draconian methods, including starvation, to achieve their end.

03:35:36.000 And that, of course, is what has happened as a direct result of the global warming scare.

03:35:41.000 Because there are millions starving in the third world now.

03:35:45.000 Millions more than would otherwise have been starving. 0.93

03:35:48.000 Because the biofuel scam into which all the foolish governments of the world gallop in the name of saving the planet.

03:35:55.000 has taken millions of acres of agricultural land out of growing food for people who needed it, and now it's growing biofuels for clunkers that don't, making Al Gore and various absolute bankers very, very rich.

03:36:10.000 And by the way, this is not rhetoric.

03:36:19.000 I mean, these are admitted facts.

03:36:21.000 They want to starve people.

03:36:22.000 They want to control the wealth.

03:36:24.000 They want to set up a planetary tyranny.

03:36:28.000 Expanding on that, You, of course, have called out Al Gore many times.

03:36:33.000 I would like you to do that again today.

03:36:35.000 You've called for criminal investigations.

03:36:38.000 These guys years ago in major papers called for your arrest, called for the death penalty for people that are climate deniers.

03:36:45.000 Cass Sunstein at the White House.

03:36:47.000 Says he wants to make it illegal.

03:36:49.000 I don't know if you've seen that paper.

03:36:50.000 It only came out in the last month that he wrote a year and a half ago for the Chicago Law School.

03:36:57.000 I mean, they have truly committed the crimes to carry out this fraud.

03:37:02.000 So can you speak to that area?

03:37:04.000 And then secondarily, giant Events have taken place, each one bigger than the last, of new frauds, new cooking the books and the thermostat records.

03:37:18.000 I know you know about that, but can you chronicle some of the Glacier Gates and other things that are coming out now on a daily basis?

03:37:25.000 The Met Office... Well, it is an absolutely extraordinary story, what we're getting.

03:37:30.000 And let's just look at the latest of them, which you probably haven't even heard of yourself because it's so new.

03:37:37.000 The UN Climate Panel has underestimated the growth in Antarctic sea ice over the last 30 years by 50%.

03:37:48.000 They've been concentrating on saying, oh, but look how the Arctic sea ice has been diminishing.

03:37:53.000 Well, it has, but the Antarctic sea ice has been increasing almost as much.

03:37:58.000 And yet you'd never know it.

03:38:00.000 Hold on, hold on, hold your horses!

03:38:02.000 I don't mean to interrupt.

03:38:03.000 This is new.

03:38:04.000 Police, sir, tell us where we find this, the admission.

03:38:08.000 This is huge!

03:38:10.000 Yes, I mean, this is yet another error that's been found.

03:38:14.000 And you'll find a very good, detailed explanation of this at whatsupwiththat.com, which I expect you know quite well.

03:38:22.000 It's a very good website by Anthony Watts.

03:38:24.000 W-A-T-T-S, up with that, or one word, dot com.

03:38:27.000 And his lead story at the moment is on what he calls IPCC gate du jour, Antarctic sea ice increase underestimated by 50%.

03:38:36.000 He's got the graph, he's shown you how they've bent it, he's got a detailed description of what they did and how they went about it, and how dishonest it is, because of course, as Arctic sea ice extent has declined, Antarctic sea ice has increased to match it, and so global sea ice extent hasn't changed at all.

03:38:54.000 You'd not know that if you read the media, but let's just go through Some of the other errors that have come to light will start with the one that I spotted when the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report of the UN Climate Panel, the IPCC, came out.

03:39:08.000 Now that, that they've done four of these big assessment reports, that's the most recent one.

03:39:13.000 On the day it came out, I saw that they, the bureaucrats, had put in a graph, a table of figures rather, that hadn't been in the original document.

03:39:24.000 And so I protested and said, by the way, this doesn't even add up to within a factor of two of the total you've put at the bottom of this new table.

03:39:32.000 And also, you've multiplied by ten the observed contributions to sea level rise of not only the Greenland, but also the Antarctic land-based ice sheet.

03:39:43.000 Well, I said that outrageous!

03:39:45.000 You have no basis putting in, as bureaucrats, tables of figures like this, which the scientists haven't signed off on.

03:39:52.000 And on the piece of paper, it's all wrong!

03:39:55.000 And on the piece of paper, it's all wrong!

03:39:58.000 A 10-year-old in math class could tell it was a fraud!

03:40:01.000 I mean, they're so shoddy!

03:40:03.000 I mean, take Glacier Gate from the Himalayas.

03:40:06.000 That's right, and they didn't bother to talk to Professor Pat of the Indian Geological Survey, who's kept me briefed on the Himalayan glaciers for years.

03:40:24.000 And he has said all along, and he's now been proven right, that there's absolutely no basis for the idea that all that ice would be gone in 25 years.

03:40:31.000 He says there's no danger of it going anywhere.

03:40:33.000 And we also know that the lead author of the chapter of the IPCC's report that said this was going to disappear in 25 years, the Somalianites, he said that he knew that figure was wrong, but he left it in there because he wanted to influence government.

03:40:49.000 In other words, it's yet another deliberate lie.

03:40:53.000 It's like Al Gore saying sea levels are going to rise imminently by 20 feet.

03:40:58.000 And we know he knows that's a lie because he buys himself a condo feet from the ocean at Fisherman's Wharf the same year he's making the film in which he tells the lie.

03:41:08.000 It's that kind of thing where we're now catching them out not only telling the lies but pretty much admitting that they're lying deliberately for the sake of exerting a political influence on government rather than just reporting the science correctly.

03:41:23.000 And that's key.

03:41:24.000 What they should be doing.

03:41:25.000 And that's not all.

03:41:26.000 I mean, if you look at the other ones, we've had African agriculture was going to be destroyed by climate change.

03:41:33.000 They've now had to admit that, in fact, even two or three Celsius of warming, which we aren't going to see, but even if we did, it would be highly beneficial to African agriculture.

03:41:42.000 It would lead to a further... Schwarzenegger says they're going to lose... Schwarzenegger says they're going to lose all the grapes for wine in California. 0.91

03:41:51.000 Just asinine lies.

03:41:53.000 Well, actually, they are because they've lost them to frost a couple of years running. 0.94

03:41:56.000 They've had exceptional frost in California.

03:41:58.000 It's been very bad for all the grapes and the fruit crops generally down there.

03:42:02.000 The orange crops have been damaged as well.

03:42:04.000 You know, the citrus crops had a hard time there.

03:42:06.000 But that's because of global cooling, not because of global warming.

03:42:09.000 Then we had the story about the Amazon rainforest, 40%.

03:42:13.000 They said we're going to disappear because of global warming.

03:42:16.000 That turned out to be made up by a campaigner for the Worldwide Fund for Nature, another of the wretched environmental groups run by communists, funded by communist governments overseas. 0.65

03:42:28.000 They have sovereign wealth the like of which you and I will never see.

03:42:33.000 Then we had them saying that 66% of Holland would be underwater when in fact only 26% of it is below sea level.

03:42:42.000 Then they said that there was going to be damage from extreme weather events.

03:42:46.000 Now they've had to admit that there's no basis for that whatsoever.

03:42:49.000 Then they said there were going to be more hurricanes because of global warming.

03:42:52.000 And they were warned by the resignation of one of the lead authors of that chapter that they mustn't go on saying that.

03:42:59.000 They went on saying it anyway.

03:43:01.000 Now that's been turned out to have been written by a journalist from a Marxist newspaper in Britain, not by a scientist.

03:43:08.000 And day after day, new revelations come out.

03:43:12.000 I confronted Pachauri with another one of these in Copenhagen, because the headline graph in the entire 2007 assessment report of the UN was a graph showing that the rate of increase in temperatures has itself been accelerating over the last 150 years, with the implication stated in the report in three different places, that it was we who had caused this acceleration in warming.

03:43:36.000 In fact, there hasn't been an acceleration of the warming rate.

03:43:39.000 That whole thing is entirely bogus.

03:43:42.000 They used a statistical technique that I was taught not to use in Statistics 101.

03:43:48.000 They had no basis for using this cheap trick, which conceals the fact that there's been no significant increase in temperature whatsoever, that the rate of warming that we saw over the last 30 years is exactly consistent with rates of warming we've seen between 1860 and 1880 and again between 1910.

03:44:06.000 So we know it's a natural cycle.

03:44:08.000 We couldn't have had any effect on temperature.

03:44:10.000 I confronted Pachari with this, and I gave him two days to withdraw that graph, apologize.

03:44:17.000 He's used in his own lectures, get it taken out of the IPCC's documents.

03:44:21.000 Otherwise, I said I would report him for fraud.

03:44:23.000 He didn't get in touch.

03:44:24.000 I've reported him for fraud.

03:44:26.000 He is now being investigated.

03:44:27.000 All right, now that brings me to my next question.

03:44:30.000 The fraud goes on forever, and the UN, the media, the spammers that come on our websites, they repeat the same thing. 0.99

03:44:39.000 You are liars.

03:44:41.000 We have thousands of peer-reviewed studies, but then all those studies are based on UN-collected and private environmental group-collected data that every time you spot-check it is a premeditated fraud, not an error, and they've spent hundreds of billions globally, not an error, and they've spent hundreds of billions globally, as you know, pushing this, Lord Moncton. 0.60

03:45:02.000 And so my question to you is...

03:45:06.000 Doesn't there need to be criminal charges on thousands of people and hundreds of organizations if we're truly going to route these people?

03:45:13.000 Justice be done!

03:45:15.000 May the heavens fall!

03:45:15.000 I think probably all we need to do is to pick on one or two who have plainly overstepped the line.

03:45:20.000 Because remember that fraud, like any serious imprisonable criminal offense, is one which has, quite rightly, a very high standard of proof.

03:45:32.000 You have to be able to prove That a person committing the fraud was either grossly negligent and therefore looked the other way when he was cheating people or was deliberately cheating them.

03:45:45.000 And unless you can prove one of those two things, and prove that what he did involved other people in losses, and prove that what he did involved him in gaining at their expense.

03:45:55.000 If you can't prove all that, you can't prove a fraud.

03:45:58.000 So what I would do is I would pick out, for instance, Pattari.

03:46:01.000 Let's take him as an example.

03:46:03.000 Now, he is a trustee of a charity in the United Kingdom called TERI-Europe.

03:46:10.000 That's the Tatar Industries Energy Research Institute for Europe.

03:46:14.000 Now, Tatar Industries, just to get this clear, they are the people who We've closed down the steelworks at Redcar, costing 1,700 of our workers their jobs over the next three months.

03:46:27.000 That's who Qatar Industries are.

03:46:29.000 They have a charity in the United Kingdom called TERI-Europe.

03:46:34.000 It is registered with our Charity Commission, which requires it to file accurate accounts every year.

03:46:41.000 Now, for the last three years, it hasn't filed any accounts because it has made declarations to the Charity Commission That it received in each of those years less than £10,000 in income.

03:46:52.000 However, I found on a government website a statement saying that that particular charity had been paid £30,000 in just one of those three years in income to do a particular job for the government and that income was not disclosed to the charity public.

03:47:11.000 And on further investigation, it turns out that several hundred thousand pounds of income each year have not been declared.

03:47:18.000 And they've therefore got away with hiding from the taxpayers where it is that they're getting their money from.

03:47:24.000 They're getting it, in fact, largely from British government taxpayer sources.

03:47:27.000 So, sir, you're saying then it's like getting Al Capone on tax evasion.

03:47:33.000 Let me throw out a few other names then.

03:47:36.000 First of all, that means Pachauri, whose job as a trustee is to file accurate accounts, is now going to face criminal prosecution in the United Kingdom for false accounting, which is a serious, imprisonable criminal offense.

03:47:52.000 He has been dodging his obligation as a trustee, and two English trustees have now got themselves reclassified as not being trustees, so as to leave him alone in the fray.

03:48:03.000 And they, the police, are now going to go after them too for trying to get themselves reclassified as not being trustees.

03:48:09.000 It's a very, very murky business, this.

03:48:11.000 And what we're now doing is we're looking at the financial vested interest of several of the scientists and algor-types and businessmen and politicians who are advocating this stuff.

03:48:24.000 And we're finding wherever we look that they have Um, financial links with organized crime, financial links with huge corporations that are making money out of carbon trading and banks and so forth.

03:48:38.000 Al Gore was on the board of Lehman Brothers.

03:48:40.000 They were trying to corner the market in carbon trading.

03:48:44.000 They were so busy doing that they didn't look to their main business and they deservedly went bust.

03:48:49.000 But these people, there are links everywhere to huge financial vested interests and a great deal of criminal activity.

03:48:58.000 If you look, for instance, at the European carbon trading scheme that's been running for several years, a recent report by the European Court of Auditors shows that 90% of all transactions Incredible!

03:49:10.000 on the European carbon market are fraudulent transactions.

03:49:13.000 Now, I knew this would happen because it's blindingly obvious.

03:49:17.000 If you set up a carbon trading scheme, then not only both parties do any carbon trading transaction, but also the regulators have a joint vested interest in exaggerating the scale and quantity of the transaction.

03:49:32.000 Incredible.

03:49:32.000 So you have the people...

03:49:34.000 The whole thing from top to bottom is a serious financial fraud.

03:49:39.000 Okay, so we go after Pachari, we go after Gore.

03:49:41.000 What about somebody like Phil Jones, who gets all these millions of dollars or pounds in research funding, the head facility, and we have the emails where he's hiding the decline?

03:49:51.000 I mean, that's... Well, the first thing that happened there is that the Information Commissioner's Office, which I asked to look into Jones' activities, first of all, failed to reply to my letter at all.

03:50:02.000 I'm going to have to sue them to make them do their job and answer my letter.

03:50:06.000 Um, but they then issued a public statement saying that the law prevented them from prosecuting Jones because he would have had to have been done within six months of the offence first being drawn to their attention.

03:50:17.000 Well, in fact, they got the law wrong, but they still decided they're not going to do anything about it.

03:50:23.000 And I think what we're going to find Is that the prosecuting authorities, which are of course directed by exactly the same government that are themselves profiting by this fraud, are going to be told by those governments to look the other way.

03:50:37.000 However, in England and Wales, and I think in some states of the US too, the individual citizen has a right to prosecute if the state fails to do so.

03:50:47.000 Incredible!

03:50:48.000 I think that what's now going to happen is that some of these crooks are going to be prosecuted by individuals where the state won't do its job.

03:50:54.000 Okay, Lord Monckton, we've got one more quick segment.

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03:54:01.000 Well, it's our final segment with Lord Christopher Momson.

03:54:08.000 We have a state representative who just got a law rammed through saying no to the global warming takeover.

03:54:14.000 Texas is doing the same thing.

03:54:16.000 That's all coming up.

03:54:18.000 Lord Monckton, let's talk about how this is going to end, how this plays out.

03:54:22.000 But first I want to throw the caveat out.

03:54:24.000 I know a lot of your Tories in England are still going along with the environmental fraud.

03:54:29.000 The NFL is pushing it here in the US.

03:54:32.000 We see Newt Gingrich doing it.

03:54:34.000 Rupert Murdoch, other than Fox, on his entertainment shows, brags that they implant messages about the green economy and global warming being real.

03:54:43.000 So you say You say that we're winning this, and I agree with you.

03:54:47.000 My problem is, if we don't keep the battle hot and real and focused, it'll just kind of fade away, and they'll just regroup and come back.

03:54:55.000 But how do you see this successfully ending?

03:54:58.000 There's always a danger of that, but I think we can now hope that because their activities have actually been criminal, we can just land one or two prosecutions.

03:55:09.000 Pachauri, for instance, is going to be prosecuted.

03:55:13.000 Because the accounts were plainly not correctly filed.

03:55:17.000 He plainly knew as a trustee that he had a job to make sure the accounts were right.

03:55:21.000 He didn't do that job.

03:55:23.000 He was, at best, negligent, at worst, deliberately fraudulent.

03:55:26.000 Either way, it's a serious, imprisonable criminal offence, and he is going to be prosecuted, even if I have to prosecute him myself.

03:55:34.000 And I know the public authorities here, because there's so much in the pockets of the governing class, won't lift a finger against any of these people, however much they commit fraud.

03:55:43.000 But I am not going to tolerate it, and there are many others here who are not going to tolerate it.

03:55:48.000 So whether they like it or not, these people who have lorded it over, And have corruptly taken money from the pockets of the poor to pay for their own thousand dollar suits, which is what Pachauri usually wears, and their lavish lifestyles in the smartest suburbs of Delhi.

03:56:06.000 That is now going to come to an end and the lifestyle of Pachauri is going to be, for a very long time, behind bars in a smelly Indian jail for the fraud in three And to interrupt everything you've predicted has come true so far.

03:56:24.000 I mean, I really hope this is going to happen.

03:56:28.000 How do we make sure this happens?

03:56:31.000 was pay to keep him and his cronies in clover.

03:56:35.000 And to interrupt everything you predicted has come true so far.

03:56:38.000 I mean, I really hope this is going to happen.

03:56:40.000 How do we make sure this happens?

03:56:42.000 We make sure it happens by looking out for any other activities that are fraudulent by environmental groups.

03:56:49.000 telling lies about climate and profiting by doing so.

03:56:53.000 All of that is fraudulent.

03:56:54.000 All of that is prosecutable.

03:56:56.000 Indeed, under the RICO statute of the United States, some of these environmental groups could be shut down because they've been lying systematically for years and years and years.

03:57:05.000 And destroying people's businesses.

03:57:07.000 They've been hurting people, too.

03:57:10.000 They have indeed, and they've been endangering people by stopping new coal-fired power stations from being built, by stopping new nuclear power stations from being built, by protesting every time people wanted a new power station.

03:57:24.000 Jobs are already being lost.

03:57:25.000 They're a mafia you've got to buy protection from.

03:57:28.000 They also get to choose who they're going to mess with and who they're not.

03:57:32.000 Exactly.

03:57:32.000 And I think that one or two of those people taken to court and prosecuted For criminal fraud by workers who've lost their jobs in that aluminum smelter that closed down recently in the States because it could no longer buy electricity because the grid is running out.

03:57:47.000 Those people have a good case to take these greenies to court. 1.00

03:57:51.000 And all you've got to do is land a couple of them in prison and the rest will run for cover.

03:57:56.000 And more importantly, the people who are now credulously paying the money will stop paying the money because they are just fraudsters.

03:58:04.000 So you're saying, Lord Monckton, we haven't even begun to see the routing of these people, because they were so bold, they've committed so many crimes, that this could discredit collectivism even worse than it did in the Soviet Union? 0.77

03:58:19.000 I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

03:58:20.000 I think the left, by nailing their colors to the mast of this particular rapidly sinking ship, Thank you for listening to GCN.

03:58:28.000 they're not going to find it easy to free themselves from their entanglement with the top hamper of this sinking ship.

03:58:34.000 Lord Monkton, we're out of time.

03:58:36.000 We're out of time.

03:58:37.000 This could be the end of the lesson.

03:58:39.000 God bless you.

03:58:40.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

03:58:45.000 Visit GCNlive.com today.

03:58:48.000 This is Alex Jones with five good reasons you should consider buying a solar-powered generator.

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