Alex Jones Show - 20100420_Tue_Alex

00:00:00.000 We're gonna find a certain drug to hell on. 1.00

00:00:03.000 Look, look, shut up and sit down. 1.00

00:00:05.000 Please shut up. 1.00

00:00:06.000 Look, here's what I'm going on. 0.99

00:00:19.000 Here's what I'm going on.

00:00:20.000 We're looking for the next person to be able to.

00:00:21.000 Look at that person to be able to.

00:00:24.000 Let me talk to the next person.

00:00:28.000 These guys are going to ask a question.

00:00:28.000 Here's the deal.

00:00:30.000 At the end of this, you're going to look at these guys' mouths, and you're going to leave your question to them.

00:00:35.000 You can have a chance to ask.

00:00:37.000 Oh, do it! 0.93

00:00:38.000 Please do it!

00:00:40.000 I am not resisting!

00:00:41.000 I am not resisting!

00:00:43.000 I am not resisting what they're telling me.

00:00:46.000 I work with this man, sir.

00:00:47.000 I also work with this man.

00:00:49.000 Okay.

00:00:49.000 I am with Austin Copwatch.

00:00:52.000 This is Aaron Dykes.

00:00:53.000 Sir, you need to let me in here.

00:01:03.000 I'm with Austin Top Watch.

00:01:07.000 Sir.

00:01:09.000 We have an issue here, sir.

00:01:11.000 I need to speak with a supervisor now.

00:01:14.000 Okay, so this is a First Amendment issue.

00:01:16.000 Remember under Bush, they would have town hall meetings when they were open to the public, but they would make you sign a pledge not to ask mean questions or that you agreed with Bush or Cheney.

00:01:27.000 They would also go into parking lots and find anti-war bumper stickers and follow people in and arrest them.

00:01:35.000 That was all over the news.

00:01:37.000 Now what happened is, they had said that Karl Rove was going to give a speech at UT last night to a packed ballroom of over 500 people that was open to the public and free, no stipulations, and that he was going to have a question and answer.

00:01:52.000 And the same thing that happened to me back in 98 with Bush when he was governor.

00:01:54.000 They said they were going to have a press conference.

00:01:56.000 The media was all there.

00:01:57.000 He gave a speech and they said no press conference.

00:01:59.000 And at the end of his speech, I said, Governor, you know, isn't it the CFR, the New World Order, that's destroying America?

00:02:04.000 Don't you want to fight that?

00:02:06.000 And they had me basically kidnapped for an hour.

00:02:08.000 They said I was arrested, drugged me out, put me in a car, drove me around.

00:02:13.000 Now, they detained quite a few people.

00:02:16.000 And no one disrupted.

00:02:17.000 And Aaron was there.

00:02:18.000 You can correct me if I'm wrong.

00:02:18.000 Aaron didn't get out of jail until about four this morning.

00:02:21.000 And so his video hasn't been uploaded yet, but we have some of the other folks that were there and have uploaded it.

00:02:26.000 We were able to grab the audio quickly when he just got into the office.

00:02:29.000 It takes longer to upload the video.

00:02:30.000 We can play some of the audio, but we do have some video clips.

00:02:33.000 We just played one of those, and there's different angles that are up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:02:38.000 But the issue here is Aaron was quiet throughout the whole speech.

00:02:44.000 He said, thank you, and he was done.

00:02:46.000 And before he said that, he said, we weren't going to take questions, but I've got some prepared written on cue cards.

00:02:53.000 Lord knows where they came from.

00:02:54.000 Probably fake questions.

00:02:56.000 So they said no questions, and they said, well, I'm going to answer some questions on cue cards.

00:03:00.000 But they hadn't handed these out.

00:03:01.000 This hadn't been public.

00:03:04.000 Aaron, after he says thank you, and is about to be asked questions off cue cards, Aaron brings up some important issues about the Downing Street memo, White House memo, that are declassified the last four years and publicly admit that the White House premeditatedly lied about WMDs.

00:03:19.000 They weren't wrong, they didn't get it wrong, they knew they were lying.

00:03:23.000 They even talked about, in the White House memo, shooting down a U.S.

00:03:26.000 aircraft or getting it shot down or a U.N.

00:03:28.000 aircraft to blame it on Saddam.

00:03:30.000 That's the Times of London Associated Press.

00:03:32.000 But the general public doesn't know this.

00:03:35.000 It never became a big nightly news item.

00:03:37.000 And so Aaron went down there, Rob Doo went down there, Rob Jacobson went down there.

00:03:42.000 I've been doing radio, TV interviews, and quite frankly, after four hours every day, that's why I don't go to many of these events.

00:03:46.000 I'm just exhausted.

00:03:48.000 But the guys wanted to go.

00:03:49.000 I didn't say go.

00:03:50.000 I said, do you want to go?

00:03:50.000 And they said, yes.

00:03:51.000 I said, don't get arrested.

00:03:53.000 But then they came up and grabbed Aaron.

00:03:57.000 Roughly.

00:03:58.000 And started saying, resisting, resisting.

00:04:00.000 And that's coming up on some of the audio.

00:04:03.000 And then, Aaron's gotta get some sleep today, but I guess tomorrow he'll be able to upload the whole thing unedited to YouTube for people.

00:04:09.000 Because again, it's easy to grab audio off something.

00:04:11.000 We could just play it raw, right off the chip, couldn't we?

00:04:15.000 Yeah, it's right over there, so.

00:04:17.000 Well, then why are we just gonna do audio?

00:04:21.000 The way they have it set up, I'm not sure.

00:04:23.000 Oh, so we can do both?

00:04:24.000 I mean, see, the problem is I'm all doing the live radio shows.

00:04:26.000 We're just having a debate about this right now, because you guys had said we had the audio up, so we can play the video too.

00:04:31.000 Do we have it cued up to the point?

00:04:36.000 I'm going to cover news.

00:04:36.000 Go out and have a meeting with them about that, because I want to find out exactly what we're going to do, and then we'll find out.

00:04:42.000 And we'll get Aaron's story here in just a moment, but it's better to just play it live since we're at PrisonPlanet.tv than wait until Aaron goes and takes a nap and then does it.

00:04:52.000 But InfoWars journalist arrested, hailed for asking Karl Rove a question during UT appearance.

00:05:02.000 And it says Aaron waited until it was question time, and rather than sit through the pre-selected controlled media questions, Aaron wanted to know about the Downing Street Memo.

00:05:09.000 And so, Rob Jacobson stood up and shouted in agreement with Aaron.

00:05:16.000 They then separately grabbed him.

00:05:17.000 They were going to arrest him.

00:05:18.000 So Aaron was in the University of Texas detainment area, in the offices with the police.

00:05:26.000 I talked to him after he got out, and they were coming over to Aaron saying, we're going to charge you with resisting.

00:05:30.000 So that's why it's in our article that they were going to charge him with resisting.

00:05:33.000 They ended up charging him with something else, because Aaron pointed out, this is all on video, you're not going to get away with this.

00:05:39.000 And so Aaron, we're going to play this video, unedited, for the first time, I haven't even seen this, from your camera, what happened, but break down what happened last night.

00:05:49.000 Roe was such a pernicious liar and manipulator of public truth and he just staged the whole thing making comments about how this is his free speech and not the liberals and then only after someone interrupts does he finally say yes there will be questions after they said there will be none but he says they will be from pre-written cards that are only for Democrats or Republicans and you line up And my question didn't fit into the category.

00:06:16.000 I'm not a Republican. 0.93

00:06:17.000 I'm not a Democrat.

00:06:18.000 And so the free speech was a fraud.

00:06:20.000 They announced that they would be warning people for disrupting.

00:06:24.000 They acknowledged that there were disruptors because there was Code Pink and other groups spread throughout the thing.

00:06:32.000 I was persecuted for reasons I don't fully understand.

00:06:34.000 As soon as I outburst, they grabbed me by the elbow without warning.

00:06:38.000 They were there in like five seconds.

00:06:40.000 Yeah, they were surrounding me, and as soon as they got the chance, they grabbed me by the elbow, jerked me back, and I heard the cops saying, stop resisting arrest.

00:06:51.000 Is he resisting arrest?

00:06:52.000 He's not resisting arrest.

00:06:53.000 And so I had to defend myself out in the public and say, no, I'm not resisting arrest.

00:06:57.000 I'm not resisting arrest.

00:06:59.000 And the rest is on video.

00:07:00.000 They dragged me back, and I was simply trying to ask Karl Rove a question, which I continued to do.

00:07:10.000 You know, getting you guys out of jail at what, about four in the morning?

00:07:12.000 And there was another fella from We Are Change that we bailed out.

00:07:16.000 But here it is out of News 8 Austin yesterday morning before Karl Rove spoke.

00:07:21.000 And it says, former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove will give a lecture at the University of Texas Monday.

00:07:26.000 Rove is expected to talk about his time at the White House as former President Bush's top political advisor.

00:07:31.000 Rove will also share his...

00:07:33.000 Analysis of key issues the nation faces currently, including health care, the economy, and protection of individual liberties.

00:07:39.000 And I have a separate article about the George W. Bush Center in Dallas calling for defending internet freedom and having a big conference yesterday.

00:07:46.000 So they are now the freedom fighters. 0.97

00:07:48.000 They passed the Patriot Act, they write White House memos about torturing children in front of their parents, burying people alive, killing them, raping them is good. 0.76

00:07:57.000 They start cyber security that lets the feds take over the web. 0.84

00:08:00.000 Obama's continuing that.

00:08:02.000 Everyone agrees it's draconian.

00:08:03.000 I mean, even CNET News calls it the end of the free internet.

00:08:07.000 They're the ones that engineered this.

00:08:09.000 Obama's taken the baton in this relay race, and then he's at UT, according to this, Doing a national tour about freedom of speech, and then here they are doing this to you.

00:08:19.000 I haven't had a chance to see his speech yet.

00:08:21.000 I mean, did he talk about freedom of speech?

00:08:23.000 Oh yeah, and he makes jokes about it, and talks about how he's never allowed to speak.

00:08:27.000 He's the one with the microphone, knowing that there's no microphone set up for audience questions, and he's not really interacting with the audience.

00:08:35.000 There is no free speech if you don't like Karl Rove at an event.

00:08:38.000 You can hold a sign, he doesn't care.

00:08:40.000 He's been confronted over and over, at least a dozen times that I've seen.

00:08:43.000 He seems to enjoy it.

00:08:44.000 He laughs at them.

00:08:45.000 He sticks his face in the window and makes, you know, piggy faces. 0.99

00:08:48.000 And he's disgusting. 1.00

00:08:49.000 He's a war criminal. 1.00

00:08:50.000 The blood is on his hands, but he's frankly not in touch with that.

00:08:55.000 But that's not going to keep us from resisting that.

00:08:57.000 Well he got caught, it's now admitted they had to release him, setting up the Alabama governor.

00:09:01.000 Just lying and having an ex-con lie and put him in jail.

00:09:05.000 And it turned out he made all the orders. 0.80

00:09:06.000 I mean, this is a hardcore evil person.

00:09:08.000 It's a total joke.

00:09:09.000 They did nothing but shred the Constitution and now that Obama's in power...

00:09:13.000 They'll make issue of freedom of speech.

00:09:15.000 Well, they're going to ride back to power because, I mean, he was the guy that brought Rick Perry up in to politics and George Bush.

00:09:21.000 I mean, he was the kingmaker for both.

00:09:23.000 And he's the one telling Perry to say, Texas will secede.

00:09:26.000 We're fighting the new world order now.

00:09:28.000 I got to go to the Bilderberg Group in 10 minutes.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, I mean, Rove tracks back to so much Dirty Laundry, but the bottom line point is he didn't allow anyone to speak and it's just a travesty, really.

00:09:40.000 Now, when I talked to Aaron after they'd arrested... I mean, when I talked to...

00:09:46.000 Rob Jacobson, after they'd arrested you, they were saying they were going to charge you, he said, when you were in the cell with him before they moved you to the Travis County Jail, that they were going to charge you with resisting?

00:09:58.000 Yeah.

00:09:58.000 In fact, I overheard some of the cops talking about how the other people wouldn't be charged, they would be sent home.

00:10:03.000 But not this one.

00:10:04.000 And I didn't really catch on what their specific reasons were, but they clearly singled me out in the filing room and put me in handcuffs.

00:10:12.000 Jacobson was not in handcuffs.

00:10:14.000 Some of the other protesters, who I didn't know personally, were not in handcuffs.

00:10:17.000 I was singled out, as was the other guy who was arrested.

00:10:20.000 I know you spent last night with this We Are Change guy.

00:10:22.000 We bailed him out, but we've since forgotten his name.

00:10:24.000 I know you didn't get any sleep last night, but we'll get an article filed tomorrow with all the names and what happened.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:31.000 It'll pop in your head in a minute.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:34.000 Oh, you remember it now?

00:10:35.000 His name is Jeff Owens, so I got to know him.

00:10:38.000 He's actually a war veteran, and he said he was there to speak out against civil rights, and he wasn't concerned about getting arrested.

00:10:45.000 Oh, I wasn't clear, because right before we went live, you said, I need to run out and check his name.

00:10:48.000 I've forgotten, so it just popped in your head.

00:10:49.000 I did forget his name a couple times last night.

00:10:51.000 OK, I was trying to be clear.

00:10:52.000 So, I mean, tell us about what happened to him.

00:10:54.000 It's a long night in jail and there's so many confusing questions and all kinds of rigmarole and like they ask these framing questions.

00:11:01.000 Are you going to commit suicide?

00:11:03.000 And all kinds of questions with strange edges to him.

00:11:06.000 But he had a very same processing as me.

00:11:09.000 He had the same charge, the same bond fee, and he was in the cell right next to me.

00:11:14.000 And you've been charged with?

00:11:15.000 I've been charged with disrupting a public event, I believe.

00:11:19.000 Alright, let's go ahead and start rolling this video.

00:11:23.000 This is from last night.

00:11:24.000 I haven't even seen this.

00:11:25.000 Aaron hasn't even really seen this.

00:11:27.000 We just loaded it into the computer.

00:11:29.000 We shot these on small flip phones, or flip cameras, we call them flip phones, because those were easy to sneak in because they were saying no filming, right?

00:11:38.000 Yeah, I mean, they're totally draconian.

00:11:39.000 And this is one of those things put on by the Republican Party.

00:11:42.000 They snicker at everyone who's in opposition.

00:11:44.000 But this is at a state university, supposedly open to the public, but you don't bring your video cameras.

00:11:49.000 It's open, but they control every parameter.

00:11:51.000 And if you speak out, you're arrested and dragged out.

00:11:54.000 And Karl Rove lied.

00:11:56.000 Rove lied and said you'll be warned three times.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, well, they made a point.

00:12:01.000 They acknowledged there will be disruptors and there's various viewpoints.

00:12:05.000 And so the police came up and they announced they would warn people three times, then arrest them.

00:12:10.000 And then when someone does disrupt, they have a speaker to stand up for Roeb and say, we ask that you stop speaking just so they can talk over him, you see, so that their question can't be heard.

00:12:20.000 And so Karl Rove takes a break and they say, we ask that you stop speaking, you'll be removed from the university.

00:12:25.000 I've seen this at the Petraeus speeches and other Rove speeches.

00:12:29.000 It's really a control tactic.

00:12:31.000 And let's be clear, he was done with his speech and they were saying, we're now going to go to these cue cards.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, I mean his speech was so boring I didn't think it would be worthwhile to interrupt it.

00:12:40.000 The only reason I did interrupt at all is because there was no free speech.

00:12:44.000 You had to be a pre-written cue card, Republican or Democrat, I'm not that.

00:12:48.000 But yes, I waited until he said thank you, indicating the end of his speech after he wrapped it up and said, you know, Obama's not so bad after all since he continues that war.

00:12:57.000 Those wars, rather.

00:12:58.000 Really?

00:12:59.000 Oh yeah, he gives Obama credit.

00:13:01.000 He says, you can see, even though it's not what he campaigned on, it's reflected in the polls.

00:13:06.000 People love that he's continuing the war, basically is the essence of it.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, he has the lowest approval rating of any president in a year and a half in.

00:13:11.000 As long as he continues the war, he's not so bad. 0.99

00:13:13.000 I mean, Karl Rove is such a duplicitous liar. 0.95

00:13:16.000 Let's go ahead and go to this video. 0.98

00:13:17.000 Here it is.

00:13:18.000 ...and extremism.

00:13:19.000 And the president of the White House.

00:13:21.000 Thanks for having me here today.

00:13:24.000 Now I'm going to bring up the questioners.

00:13:27.000 You talk about free speech, but I'm not a Democrat or a Republican.

00:13:31.000 Are you going to take my question?

00:13:34.000 Take my question.

00:13:38.000 I have a question.

00:13:39.000 You're gone.

00:13:46.000 You're gone.

00:13:47.000 The Iraq War, the blood is on your hands!

00:13:53.000 Don't touch me!

00:13:53.000 Don't grab me!

00:13:55.000 We're tired of your skull and bones narco-trafficking! 1.00

00:13:59.000 Get your hands off me! 1.00

00:14:02.000 Get your hands off me! 1.00

00:14:04.000 I am not resisting.

00:14:21.000 If you want me to leave the building, that is fine.

00:14:25.000 I'm more than happy to leave the building.

00:14:30.000 I'm not resisting arrest.

00:14:35.000 Sir, I have a right to free speech.

00:14:37.000 You have no reason to arrest me.

00:14:38.000 Why am I being arrested?

00:14:39.000 You are under arrest.

00:14:40.000 What is the reason?

00:14:41.000 Disruption of a lawful assembly.

00:14:42.000 Are you going to read my Miranda rights?

00:14:44.000 I'm not asking you incriminating questions.

00:14:45.000 I'm trying to get in the house.

00:14:51.000 How long did this go until they turned the camera off?

00:14:54.000 You know the camera off?

00:14:58.000 Once they did the initial handcuffing.

00:15:01.000 Keep rolling in here.

00:15:03.000 Going into the dungeon.

00:15:04.000 I'm not going to like it if I see you personally for violating my rights of free speech.

00:15:07.000 Here's all the other criminals.

00:15:15.000 I think that was Jacobson for one second.

00:15:18.000 Oh, so that's when it got turned off.

00:15:20.000 I guess so, yeah.

00:15:20.000 They grabbed it away from you?

00:15:21.000 They took it from me when they put me in cuffs, so.

00:15:25.000 And there's Rob in there.

00:15:28.000 Oh man, I tell ya.

00:15:30.000 I mean, they were silencing free speech very skillfully.

00:15:34.000 Rove is skillful.

00:15:35.000 I mean, I wish I could come off articulately.

00:15:37.000 He knows how to handle all these questions. 0.89

00:15:39.000 He's an old Watergate dirty trickster.

00:15:41.000 That's when he... And he tripled the size of government.

00:15:44.000 He supported the assault weapons ban.

00:15:46.000 He got Bush to support carbon taxes. 1.00

00:15:49.000 And the Republicans are just a bunch of idiots. 1.00

00:15:51.000 They wonder why they're losing their country. 1.00

00:15:53.000 They wonder why everything's falling apart.

00:15:54.000 They go in there, these milquetoast, weak-looking people, and just look up at him like a dog looks at its master, just lovingly.

00:16:02.000 Oh, we love you, Rove. 0.94

00:16:04.000 We love criminality.

00:16:05.000 We love it all.

00:16:06.000 We love Bohemian Grove. 0.99

00:16:07.000 We love the gay orgies. 0.99

00:16:09.000 It's conservative. 1.00

00:16:11.000 It's sick.

00:16:12.000 It's not our everyday point, but the way they control politics on college campuses, you know, is the embryo of the weak party system we have today that makes things so bad.

00:16:20.000 Well, Karl Rove, you know, he likes all those midnight visits that came out in the news.

00:16:26.000 You know, that's neither here nor there, I guess.

00:16:28.000 It's all just a big, but he's conservative, though.

00:16:31.000 That's good.

00:16:32.000 And, you know, it's good that Newt Gingrich is supporting carbon taxes.

00:16:36.000 You're some kind of commie.

00:16:38.000 You're against taxes, boy. 0.97

00:16:41.000 It's sick.

00:16:42.000 I mean, we know how the Constitution should put us, but we're not there.

00:16:45.000 Anything else, Aaron, you'd like to add about this fiasco?

00:16:48.000 It was a long night.

00:16:49.000 I'm glad it's over.

00:16:50.000 I really didn't want to get arrested, but sometimes it has to be done.

00:16:54.000 Well, I mean, in the old days, I guess I've got to start going to these, I would get up and, you know, ask questions of Reno and other people and Barry McCaffrey and others, and they didn't arrest me.

00:17:04.000 I'll say one thing about Rove.

00:17:05.000 I've been through a lot of hairy confrontations working for you over the years.

00:17:09.000 This is the first time I've been arrested formally in cuffs with charges.

00:17:13.000 Bilderberg would be the second.

00:17:15.000 And you've had armed security guards of the Federal Reserve a half mile away come to a city park and tell you to turn a camera off or they're going to arrest you for handling their guns.

00:17:23.000 Oh yeah, we've been through some adventures.

00:17:26.000 That's the world out there.

00:17:27.000 Someone has to stand up, Alex.

00:17:30.000 We weren't born to be in some prostrate position.

00:17:33.000 At some point, someone has to stand up.

00:17:35.000 I wish it was someone more articulate than me.

00:17:37.000 But I thought you worked for a right-wing pro-war guy, the liberal media says.

00:17:42.000 But we're out asking questions against the war, which the Democrats don't do anymore.

00:17:47.000 You notice now, it's their war, and they like it, and they like the torture, and they've just shut up.

00:17:51.000 Aaron Dykes, good job.

00:17:52.000 Go home and get some sleep, buddy.

00:17:53.000 Thanks, man.

00:17:54.000 Great job.

00:17:55.000 All right, we'll be back with more news, and we've got Dr. Bob Bowman coming up.

00:17:58.000 Stay with us.

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00:20:01.000 Hi, this is Alex Jones.

00:20:02.000 Did you know that the global elite are now storing non-hybrid seeds in secret storage vaults near the Arctic Circle?

00:20:08.000 Did you know that in a real meltdown, non-hybrid seeds can become more valuable than silver or gold?

00:20:13.000 It's true, seeds have outperformed even gold and silver before in this country, and it's possible they could even happen again.

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00:20:57.000 This is Alex Jones for SurvivalSeedBank.com.

00:21:25.000 It's sundown on the Union.

00:21:27.000 Well, it's sundown on the Union.

00:21:30.000 Dr. Bob Bowman is coming up inside the Secret of Star Wars program.

00:21:39.000 As much as he can tell us legally and lawfully, we'll talk about a host of other issues with him as well.

00:21:45.000 We've got an Oklahoma City bombing survivor who's saying it's an inside job joining us in the last 30 minutes of the transmission.

00:21:55.000 You better get that through your head.

00:21:57.000 This world is ruled by violence.

00:22:01.000 We need to start being honest about that.

00:22:04.000 I wanted to say one other thing about this.

00:22:06.000 I mean, I guess I was arrested for asking Bush a question in a press conference.

00:22:10.000 But this has now happened to Aaron.

00:22:11.000 It's happening to more and more people.

00:22:13.000 And that's why they've hired provocateurs to dress up as anarchists since Seattle in 99 to attack police and others.

00:22:20.000 And it's come out in every case it was staged to then scare other Americans from going out and demonstrating because you're met by police in riot gear beating their shields and firing tear gas, pepper spray, and rubber bullets at you.

00:22:34.000 Famous video in Miami of peaceful people with signs being shot with rubber bullets and going through the sign and blooding their face.

00:22:40.000 And then the cops after the event videotaping their after action.

00:22:45.000 Hey, did you see how funny it was when we shot through that sign and shot that lady in the face? 0.93

00:22:48.000 Ah ha ha!

00:22:50.000 It's going to be very funny, cops, when the bankers take your pension fund, too.

00:22:53.000 You think you're a big shark?

00:22:54.000 You think you're the big fish on the block?

00:22:56.000 You think your bosses care about you?

00:22:57.000 When they're done with you, they'll flush you down the toilet, just like they're flushing this republic down the toilet.

00:23:04.000 But I want to thank everyone that called the jail.

00:23:08.000 When we got down there to the jail last night, they said it'll be 24 hours until he even sees a judge.

00:23:16.000 This is like at 10 o'clock at night.

00:23:18.000 And then they got a bunch of phone calls down there, and they did tell Aaron they got phone calls, so the We Are Change fellow and Aaron were released.

00:23:26.000 They were released.

00:23:28.000 And so that's good news.

00:23:30.000 One other tidbit here.

00:23:31.000 We are premiering Police State 4 The Rise of FEMA tomorrow at 3 p.m.

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00:25:25.000 All right, we're reaching the halfway point in the radio broadcast up Dr. Bob Bowman joins us coming up, and then an Oklahoma City bombing survivor who says it was an inside job and saw McVeigh and the government inside wiring the building.

00:25:38.000 We'll be right back.

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00:25:50.000 Hi, this is Alex Jones.

00:25:51.000 Did you know that the global elite are now storing non-hybrid seeds in secret storage vaults near the Arctic Circle?

00:25:57.000 Did you know that in a real meltdown, non-hybrid seeds can become more valuable than silver or gold?

00:26:02.000 It's true.

00:26:02.000 Seeds have outperformed even gold and silver before in this country, and it's possible they could even happen again.

00:26:07.000 So our friends at Solutions from Science have put together the perfect mix of non-hybrid seeds. 0.84

00:26:13.000 They call it a survival seed bank.

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00:26:20.000 And here's the best part.

00:26:21.000 These seeds have not been genetically modified in any way.

00:26:24.000 And you actually get enough seeds to plant a full acre crisis garden.

00:26:28.000 So visit them today at survivalseedbank.com.

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00:26:33.000 Or give them a call at 877-327-0365.

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00:26:34.000 Remember, in a real crisis, non-hybrid seeds are the ultimate barter item.

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00:26:41.000 Remember, in a real crisis, non-hybrid seeds are the ultimate barter item. 1.00

00:26:46.000 This is Alex Jones for SurvivalSeedBank.com.

00:26:49.000 Waging war on corruption.

00:26:55.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:26:58.000 Big Brother.

00:27:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:27:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:27:10.000 You want answers?

00:27:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:27:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:27:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:27:23.000 Okay, Dr. Bob Bowman thought he would be to his home by now, but he's not.

00:27:26.000 He's on the road in his RV, driving his RV across the country.

00:27:31.000 We've interviewed Willie Nelson from his bus before, going down the roads.

00:27:33.000 We'll see how this goes, but he's going to be to a parking spot in about 20 minutes, so we're honored to have him.

00:27:40.000 Robert Bowman is a former director of the Advanced Space Program Development for the U.S.

00:27:45.000 Air Force and the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former U.S.

00:27:49.000 Air Force Lieutenant Colonel.

00:27:51.000 With 101 combat missions over Vietnam, he holds a Ph.D.

00:27:54.000 in aeronautics and nuclear engineering.

00:27:58.000 And despite his involvement in the space program and defense, he emerged as an early public critic of the Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI, a.k.a.

00:28:05.000 Star Wars, during the Reagan administration.

00:28:07.000 He's also a critic of George W. Bush's administration's national missile system.

00:28:11.000 And he's a 9-11 researcher, truther, He's a great man, and we're honored to have him on with us.

00:28:19.000 We're going to talk first, before he gets parked, about the latest 9-11 truth, about the talk of Iran supposedly having a nuke, and they're going to nuke us. 0.81

00:28:28.000 The government now saying Homeland Security's number one threat is the American people.

00:28:32.000 I mean, we knew this was really being set up in the shadows, but now it's out in the open.

00:28:36.000 The draconian Orwellian system we're sliding into.

00:28:40.000 We're going to discuss this first with Dr. Bob Bowman, then we're going to get into Star Wars.

00:28:45.000 How advanced it was, what he can talk about that's been declassified or leaked that he's allowed to discuss, versus what he projects they've got today.

00:28:53.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, good to have you here with us.

00:28:56.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:28:56.000 Good to be back.

00:28:58.000 There is so much going on, so much happening, but before we got a break, what do you think of 15 months into Barack Obama's administration?

00:29:06.000 What do you think of him?

00:29:09.000 Well, of course...

00:29:12.000 Like so many, I'm very disappointed, particularly with the expansion of the war in Afghanistan and extending it into Pakistan and even talking now, he hasn't, but others talking about the possibility of going into Iran and the new justifications of that based on this supposed Pentagon

00:29:42.000 determination that gee whiz they might have not only nuclear weapons but intercontinental ballistic missiles by 2015 if they get enough foreign help.

00:29:53.000 I think that's a bunch of baloney myself.

00:29:58.000 Ballistic missiles are an extremely advanced high technology project and there are very few countries in the world that can pull that off.

00:30:12.000 And some of them have been trying for decades, like North Korea, without success.

00:30:22.000 I think this is just another justification doing for what a minority in the Pentagon want to do, and whether they're doing it because The Israelis want to do it, or they're doing it for some other dumb reason, I don't know.

00:30:42.000 But with our military already overextended and depleted and demoralized, it would be a horrendous mistake.

00:30:54.000 Iran is much stronger militarily, a much larger country than Iraq.

00:31:07.000 I mean, it would be, I think, the end of the United States as we know it.

00:31:14.000 Well, sir, I heard Fox News last night on the radio saying Iran now has intercontinental ballistic long-range missiles and we've got to go in.

00:31:23.000 And it's all over the news today, just like they said Iraq had nukes or WMDs.

00:31:28.000 I mean, this is a replay of 2003, is it not?

00:31:31.000 Of course it is, and it's total malarkey.

00:31:35.000 Well, stay there, sir.

00:31:36.000 We're going to come right back and get into this disaster for the United States.

00:31:40.000 We've got the Russian president saying it could be the beginning of World War III.

00:31:44.000 We're going to talk about it all on the other side with Dr. Bob Bowman.

00:31:49.000 And we'll discuss homeland security now, saying they're worried about Iran nuking us with a suitcase nuke and working with domestic groups.

00:31:57.000 Homeland security's got to be used on the right-wingers now.

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00:35:10.000 We're going to go inside the Secret of Star Wars program.

00:35:14.000 It's really a preemptive offensive sneak attack weapons system with Dr. Bob Bowman, the former head of the Star Wars program.

00:35:22.000 He joins us as he hurtles down the highway in his RV.

00:35:30.000 Robert Bowman is a former director of the Advanced Space Program Development for the U.S.

00:35:34.000 Air Force, holds a Ph.D.

00:35:36.000 in aeronautics and nuclear engineering, flew 101 combat missions over Vietnam, bombing missions.

00:35:44.000 And he joins us today, and we really appreciate him coming on.

00:35:48.000 For stations that just joined us, some people that just joined us, we were talking about the new hype to go into Iran.

00:35:53.000 They're changing the last letter of Iraq, the Q, And putting an N on it to make Iran. 0.97

00:36:01.000 And they're saying they've got secret nuclear technology nobody else has got with no proof to make enriched uranium, weapons-grade uranium without centrifuges.

00:36:12.000 They're saying they've got ICBMs that can hit us now.

00:36:16.000 The Pentagon says maybe in five years.

00:36:18.000 North Korea is much more advanced. 0.71

00:36:20.000 You can't ever get them off the ground.

00:36:21.000 They blow up almost every time.

00:36:22.000 You just ride on the pad.

00:36:24.000 Sometimes they go up a few thousand feet.

00:36:26.000 I mean, even our own government, the 50s, 60s, and 70s had large portions of their ICBMs when they were being tested blowing up or blowing up before they left the atmosphere.

00:36:35.000 But oh no, and they've got magnetic pulse weapons, the news says, that can destroy all electronics.

00:36:41.000 Here's Reuters, Iran missile may be able to hit U.S. 0.83

00:36:44.000 Here's another one, Times of London, Pentagon chiefs raise threat of attack as Iran taunts U.S. 0.89

00:36:50.000 with missile display.

00:36:52.000 So we can show our weapons, but they can't.

00:36:55.000 And here's another one, Al-Qaeda chief in Iraq, captured, killed, never actually existed, recaptured, now killed again.

00:37:02.000 They've announced over and over again they kill these Al-Qaeda guys and never retract the last guy they killed, even though they claim they kill them again.

00:37:09.000 And then here's another one over here, where they're claiming that Fox News is claiming that I'm looking for my article, just printed again, a Fox News headline, Osama Bin Laden has a Facebook, and then it admits to the next line it's not even him.

00:37:24.000 So anybody could create a Facebook, say they're threatening us as Osama Bin Laden, and it always turns out it's fake, but that's the proof that they're going to kill us if we don't give all our rights up.

00:37:34.000 And as it went to break, Dr. Bowman, you were saying this is all a fraud, and that this could basically end the United States.

00:37:41.000 Go through that scenario for us.

00:37:44.000 Well, we're being lied to again, as you know, about all this stuff about Iran, as justification for the war that a few people want to get us into, as if we didn't have enough illegal corporate wars of aggression right now.

00:38:04.000 And if we take on Iran, which is Much bigger and more powerful than Iraq was, and we're still bogged down in Iraq. 0.95

00:38:19.000 Where are we going to get the military for that? 0.76

00:38:23.000 Our military is already overextended with what they've got on their plate.

00:38:28.000 And, of course, what is Russia going to do?

00:38:32.000 What is China going to do?

00:38:34.000 And are we just Would we be taking on much more than we can handle?

00:38:40.000 And I believe we've already got more than we can handle.

00:38:46.000 And we've got to get out of where we are.

00:38:51.000 And absolutely no attack on Iran.

00:38:54.000 It would be another false attack based on lies.

00:39:01.000 And I don't think they're going to do it because

00:39:09.000 Most of the people surrounding Obama are neocons, well they're trilateral commission, they're globalists, but most of them are not neocons, and I think they're a little more rational than Cheney and his minions pulling George W. Bush's strings.

00:39:33.000 So, and the people in the Pentagon now, Are more rational than Rumsfeld and some of the generals he had working for him.

00:39:47.000 So I don't see them succeeding in pulling this off, even with this massive campaign of lies.

00:39:57.000 But, you know, I'm going to work very hard to prevent it.

00:40:01.000 And I'll probably have to put out another open letter to the Pentagon, just like I did Uh, in 2007, to keep Cheney from attacking Iran then, I'm gonna have to do it again.

00:40:14.000 Alright, let me stop you there.

00:40:15.000 Doctor, let me stop you there and we'll go over some of what you said in your letter, and they did listen to you.

00:40:19.000 We had Fox Fallon refuse in 2008 to launch an attack on Iran then, so they've had a lot of people resign that basically stopped Cheney, and how that ties into 888.

00:40:30.000 For those who don't know, the Times of London and other publications have now talked to diplomats and others who were in the meetings when Cheney engineered through NATO and Georgia and Israel the sneak attack on South Ossetia to test the Russians.

00:40:47.000 And that Cheney was saying, let's go ahead and have a nuclear war with them.

00:40:51.000 And the head of the Russian general staff, the Air Force head, went on TV three days into it because they were landing more NATO forces in Georgian capital and said, we may have to have a nuclear war with you.

00:41:05.000 And so this shows the megalomania, and it appears with Gates and others that we still have the Cheney people in there, and they're replaying all the same propaganda that we saw before Oklahoma City, before 9-11, And before the Iraq war, all rolled into one.

00:41:22.000 We've got FEMA drills of improvised nuclear devices going off. 0.52

00:41:26.000 We've got Obama saying the number one threat to America is now domestic groups or Iran setting off nukes inside the U.S.

00:41:34.000 Again, Dr. Bowman, couldn't they stage a false flag terror attack in the United States to blame it on Iran?

00:41:43.000 I mean, isn't that their only card?

00:41:45.000 It appears they're going forward with this, and absent a huge false flag, or a nuke going off in Paris, who knows what, staged by the military-industrial complex, how are they going to get this, and is that a danger?

00:41:58.000 Well, I think you're exactly right.

00:42:00.000 The only way they would succeed in getting a war against Iran is another false flag attack like 9-11, blaming it on Iran. 0.53

00:42:15.000 And, you know, back a couple years ago when that B-52 flew from Minot to Barksdale, as far as I know, there's still possibly one nuclear weapon missing from that bomber.

00:42:35.000 If the neocons have that, then they could use it in a false flag attack on Iran, claiming that Iran smuggled it in in a suitcase.

00:42:52.000 They can't simulate an intercontinental ballistic missile attack on the United States.

00:42:58.000 Too complicated.

00:42:59.000 Everybody would know where it came from.

00:43:02.000 And they can't get an ICBM and a launch pad for it to Iran.

00:43:08.000 So I think you're right.

00:43:10.000 A false flag attack is the only way they're going to pull this off.

00:43:15.000 And the thing is that the 9-11 Truth Movement is extremely valuable because we're continually letting them know that we're watching.

00:43:26.000 And if they try something else like they did in 9-11, they've got to know that we're watching and we're liable to catch them red-handed, and that'll be the end of them.

00:43:36.000 And so, that's one of the great values of 9-11 Truth.

00:43:41.000 It is deterring them from this kind of thing.

00:43:46.000 But I know there are some crazies there who would like to try it anyway.

00:43:51.000 Well, let's take the Minot, Dakota situation where they flew them down to Louisiana.

00:43:57.000 And again, the reports are there is a missing nuke.

00:44:00.000 I mean, this was in the news.

00:44:01.000 This happened.

00:44:02.000 And then more than a dozen of the people who were at the bases who blew the whistle committed suicide or died within a week, which adds another layer of evidence that this was an attempt To smuggle a nuke out of the chain of custody with the military.

00:44:19.000 And again, for those who don't understand what me and Dr. Bob Bowman are getting at here, you have to put your mind in the mind, put yourself in the mind of the globalists, of the controllers, to realize how they're doing all of this.

00:44:32.000 And they'll never get away with an Iran attack without staging an event. 0.84

00:44:36.000 And then now FEMA, these secret documents, Got leaked.

00:44:41.000 FEMA admits they're real, but is ordering websites to remove them.

00:44:44.000 That in May, they were going to have multiple simulated improvised nuclear device detonations in different parts of the U.S.

00:44:54.000 Clearly, we know they've used drills in the past to smokescreen their real operations.

00:44:58.000 Why?

00:44:59.000 Why are drills so important in and around terror attacks?

00:45:02.000 We saw it on 7-7.

00:45:03.000 We saw it on 9-11.

00:45:04.000 We see it over and over again.

00:45:05.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, why is that so important?

00:45:08.000 Well, it confuses people who are trying to defend against something.

00:45:15.000 The exercises going on on 9-11, of course, kept a lot of our interceptors away from protecting the Northeast Corridor and also confused the radar and the controllers and Made it much easier for Cheney or whoever to get away with their stand down order.

00:45:45.000 And they get to bootleg the actual attack through the drill funding.

00:45:52.000 And if other good elements of the government, 99% not involved, catch them in the act, they can just say it's part of a drill.

00:45:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:03.000 Which of course is the true story of Valkyrie.

00:46:06.000 The Germans used a government drill program as an attempt to reverse engineer it and overthrow Hitler but that failed.

00:46:14.000 Yes.

00:46:18.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, we're going to break and come back and continue to discuss false flag terrorism and your concern and time frames and how you think we can stop this.

00:46:27.000 I agree with you that it is essential, that it is vital that 9-11 Truth continue to expand.

00:46:35.000 We've also seen preparatory demonization of 9-11 Truth, claiming we're going to stage terror attack by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News the last three months.

00:46:44.000 As a preparatory event so that they can try to discredit us or maybe even claim we're involved when the attacks take place.

00:46:50.000 All of it's on the table.

00:46:51.000 They're clearly moving in this direction very rapidly.

00:46:54.000 Dr. Bob Bowman's our guest.

00:46:55.000 We'll give you his website on the other side.

00:46:57.000 Stay with us.

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00:50:58.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, former head of the Star Wars program, is our guest.

00:51:12.000 He exposed SDI prominently as an offensive sneak attack weapon.

00:51:18.000 We're going to be talking about that with him.

00:51:21.000 And I want him to go as far as he can legally with when he was there in the 70s and early 80s just how advanced these systems were.

00:51:30.000 Uh, and now they're more and more admitting they have these space planes and that the NASA program we see is just a vestigial front.

00:51:37.000 Uh, that the real program is almost entirely Pentagon and military.

00:51:41.000 Uh, Dr. Bob Bowman, I mean, amazing information you were just discussing.

00:51:45.000 The fact that you agree with my analysis, they are hyping false flag nuke attacks, saying it's the number one threat.

00:51:52.000 Uh, Obama said that on...

00:51:54.000 Last Friday at the big D.C.

00:51:56.000 summit, they're now saying domestic groups are going to attack.

00:51:59.000 Bill Clinton's saying domestic groups are going to attack, that the Tea Parties and people should shut up about the banking bailout, or we're going to cause a terror attack.

00:52:07.000 I mean, I've seen this over and over again.

00:52:09.000 In my gut, there's no doubt they're moving with domestic attacks to blame it on domestic groups, blowing up federal buildings, and seriously considering detonating a nuke and saying Iran smuggled it in.

00:52:22.000 I think you're exactly right, Alex.

00:52:23.000 director saying the biggest threat now is domestic American groups.

00:52:28.000 So now Homeland Security is out in the open targeting the American people.

00:52:34.000 Your comments on that, sir?

00:52:35.000 I think you're exactly right, Alex.

00:52:41.000 They're doing all this stuff and they're trying to make domestic groups, in other words, we the people, the enemy.

00:52:51.000 And, you know, like we've said before, we must be winning.

00:52:58.000 Because as Gandhi said, first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then you win.

00:53:05.000 We must be winning because they're already to be attacking the space.

00:53:10.000 You're absolutely right, Doctor.

00:53:12.000 Going back to 888 briefly, then we're going to come back and get into what's happening with the economy and Star Wars and other issues you'd like to discuss, and how we can reach out to the Pentagon.

00:53:24.000 888, the bottom line on what happened there, and what type of window does that give us into the psyche and into the war planning of the people running our government?

00:53:39.000 Well, first, tell me what you mean by 888.

00:53:45.000 888, the situation in 2008, the operations by Georgia against South Ossetia.

00:53:54.000 Oh, right, right.

00:53:57.000 Well, we know that that was orchestrated by elements of the United States and as a provocation to Russia.

00:54:11.000 Russia came in to protect its people, but it, I think, exercised admirable restraint by not going all the way and taking over Georgia.

00:54:28.000 But what does that say about the psyche of Dick Cheney, that it's now come out in mainstream news that he wanted to go ahead and have a nuclear war with Russia?

00:54:38.000 Well, he's the same kind of megalomaniac, evil genius that Kurt LeMay was at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:54:50.000 I mean, when JFK and Khrushchev were able to defuse the Cuban Missile Crisis, General Kurt LeMay was absolutely incensed.

00:55:02.000 He says, we lost!

00:55:04.000 Because he wanted that to result in a nuclear war. 0.99

00:55:07.000 So these guys are just plain crazy.

00:55:12.000 In fact, the maker of Dr. Strangelove, the director who did his research, Stanley Kubrick, said that General Jack T. Ripper character is Curtis LeMay. 0.74

00:55:25.000 Of course.

00:55:26.000 And to those of us who knew LeMay, it was obvious when we watched the movie.

00:55:33.000 Unbelievable.

00:55:35.000 How did you awaken?

00:55:36.000 We're going to break, but I want you to talk about this when we come back, but go ahead and start.

00:55:38.000 I mean, you're on 101 Combat Missions, Vietnam, you know, Warhawk, you get in the highest levels of the Pentagon.

00:55:45.000 What woke you up to all this?

00:55:49.000 Well, it was really being sort of on the inside when the crazies first got control of the government when Ronald Reagan was elected.

00:56:01.000 And even before he took office, there were secret meetings on how they were going to use Star Wars weapons.

00:56:10.000 That's why they invited me, because I had just retired as head of Star Wars.

00:56:17.000 So they were going to use those as part of a first strike on the Soviet Union. 0.53

00:56:23.000 And, you know, I told them they were absolutely crazy and I didn't go into any more of their meetings and I started fighting them in public.

00:56:33.000 All right, stay there, Dr. Bowman. 0.83

00:56:35.000 When we come back, I want you to start over and continue.

00:56:37.000 Let's get into Star Wars right now.

00:56:39.000 We'll be right back with Dr. Bob Bellman.

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01:00:24.000 For a half hour into the next hour, then we have an eyewitness from the Alfred P. Murrow building, Jane Graham, who saw McVeigh and other feds inside planting the bombs.

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01:00:57.000 Okay, Dr. Bob Bowman, you were hurtling down the road in your RV.

01:01:02.000 You've now gotten to your stop for the night, so we've got you settled here.

01:01:05.000 We appreciate you coming on on short notice.

01:01:08.000 And we really appreciate you coming on, because I know you've had a lot of health problems lately and your information is so precious.

01:01:13.000 It was good to get to see you at that 9-11 Truth event a month or so ago here in Austin, Texas.

01:01:18.000 And we appreciate, again, your tireless effort to warn people, much of the time at your own expense.

01:01:23.000 Okay, I'm going to stop now.

01:01:25.000 Go back to what you said as we went to break about when you really woke up to this global criminal Network, because we know that Rumsfeld came right out of the L.L.

01:01:35.000 Lemonsir crew years after he left.

01:01:37.000 I mean, he's been there forever.

01:01:39.000 The youngest and then the oldest Secretary of Defense.

01:01:42.000 He sat at the feet of these cold warriors who wrote up Operation Northwoods.

01:01:49.000 Of course, the plan to stage 9-11 style attacks.

01:01:52.000 So you were getting up to Star Wars and what it was really designed for.

01:01:56.000 Then we'll talk about the real space program that's military versus the kind of tinker toy front that the public knows as NASA.

01:02:05.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, you've got the floor.

01:02:06.000 Okay, Alex.

01:02:08.000 Well, yes, I found out firsthand that these crazies were planning on using my Star Wars program as part of a First strike against the Soviet Union.

01:02:27.000 And so I started opposing them on that.

01:02:31.000 And pretty soon, of course, I found I had less freedom of speech in industry than I've had in the military.

01:02:40.000 So before long, I was out of industry and unemployed.

01:02:46.000 And I have been in that position now for 28 years.

01:02:51.000 And when I started fighting Reagan and his crowd, General Danny Graham and the crazy George Keegan and Senator Malcolm Wallop and Edward Teller and Dick Cheney and whatnot, General Danny Graham and the crazy George Keegan and

01:03:11.000 And the ones that didn't die off, like Teller and Danny Graham, the ones that didn't die off came right back with George W. Bush. 0.99

01:03:22.000 But what they did back then in 1982 and 1983, they got Reagan, who had not the clue what he was doing, and I don't think George W. Bush did either, They were useful idiots to these global criminals. 0.89

01:03:42.000 And they got Reagan to sign a defense guidance document in 1982, which did Two important things.

01:03:54.000 One, on the larger scale, it ended our policy of using the military to prevent a nuclear war, and we went from a policy of war prevention to one of war fighting.

01:04:13.000 And in that document, written of course by Richard Perle, part of the Cheney crowd, In that document, he ordered the Department of Defense to prepare to fight and win a protracted nuclear war.

01:04:30.000 Now, that's chilling.

01:04:32.000 And that was leaked to the press by my old friend Bob Scheer, who used to be with the Los Angeles Times.

01:04:40.000 And eventually, of course, because he was a good, honest reporter, he got himself fired.

01:04:46.000 He leaked that defense guidance document.

01:04:50.000 And there were many of us, I think, at the time who said, well, you know, when we went into the military, it was to protect the people of this country by preventing a nuclear war, not going out and fighting an aggressive nuclear war.

01:05:06.000 So we wouldn't have any part of that kind of policy.

01:05:10.000 The second thing that that defense guidance document did was to order the Department of Defense to deploy Star Wars weapons in space as soon as possible.

01:05:21.000 And the document assigned those weapons two missions.

01:05:27.000 The first mission was to destroy opposing satellites and seize total military control of space.

01:05:38.000 The second mission was to destroy targets on the surface of the Earth from space without warning.

01:05:47.000 There wasn't a word in that document about shooting down ballistic missiles.

01:05:52.000 That whole peace shield garbage was a total myth for consumption by the American people who would never have approved Star Wars weapons for offensive purposes.

01:06:11.000 And now we've gotten another bird's eye view into their mindset with Cheney having Georgia on 8-8-8.

01:06:19.000 Two years ago, two and a half years ago, launched that sneak attack, and we've seen Iraq, we've seen Afghanistan, they now want to go into Iran. 0.90

01:06:28.000 We see this doctrine in the PNAC documents from 2000, where they say, we need new Pearl Harbor events, we need terror attacks to get the American people to go out there and wage these wars of empire.

01:06:41.000 But this isn't even an empire for the American people, it's an empire we pay for. 0.59

01:06:45.000 It's an empire for these big mega banks And corporations.

01:06:48.000 Please continue with the Star Wars program.

01:06:51.000 But let's start at the beginning.

01:06:53.000 Because it's now declassified, it's now public, it's now admitted.

01:06:56.000 We heard that Ronald Reagan Launched Star Wars in 81.

01:07:00.000 But then now we've gotten the Bohemian Grove documents that they released to Santa Rosa State University, Bohemian Grove did, that in 79, before he was even president, they were there talking about the program that the Air Force had that you ran, that they were going to weaponize.

01:07:14.000 So that's now been released, and the San Francisco Chronicles reported on it as well.

01:07:20.000 And so what was that program when you ran it?

01:07:23.000 How advanced was it?

01:07:25.000 Well, I retired in 1978, and the program had been going on actually since 1962.

01:07:29.000 what do they have today?

01:07:32.000 And so what were you developing versus what they took it and created? - Well, I retired in 1978, and the program had been going on actually since 1962.

01:07:46.000 At that time, they called it BAMBI, which stands for Ballistic Missile Boost Intercept.

01:07:57.000 Isn't it lovely the way they take our weapon systems and give them a nice, cuddly name like Bambi?

01:08:04.000 And when the Soviets, for a while, were working on a similar system, they dubbed it the Killer Satellite.

01:08:13.000 So, anyway, that's just, you know, a little trivia.

01:08:18.000 But at that time, in the mid-1970s, We were working on several pieces of it.

01:08:25.000 Most of what we were working on was toward a system of laser battle stations.

01:08:32.000 And these laser battle stations were being developed in bits and pieces.

01:08:39.000 We had a contract with TRW for the laser itself, chemical laser.

01:08:45.000 We had a contract with Kodak and with Perkin Elmer To build a 50-foot diameter actively cooled mirror which could reflect the laser beam to its target without burning up.

01:09:01.000 We were developing the Pointer Tracker System and the Fault Tolerance Spaceborne Computer with Raytheon.

01:09:09.000 And we had system studies to put it all together with Lockheed.

01:09:16.000 That's a little of what we were doing with laser battle stations.

01:09:20.000 We were also, and by the way, in our studies, and we also had some other organizations doing studies for us, Aerospace Corporation and RAND Corporation, on the military effectiveness of these things, and the RAND Corporation study concluded that before a system of laser battle stations got good enough to be

01:09:44.000 Uh, effective against ballistic missiles, they would be powerful enough to incinerate cities in minutes, causing the kind of firestorms that consumed Dresden and Hamburg and Osaka in World War II.

01:09:57.000 We also were looking at, uh, kinetic energy tail vehicles.

01:10:03.000 Uh, the kinds of things that, uh, later became brilliant pebbles, uh, smart rocks first, then brilliant pebbles, and then rods from God.

01:10:13.000 Where you take a few pounds of metal, properly shaped, fired at the Earth from space, and it impacts like a meteorite, and at least in theory, is capable of destroying hardened military targets like missile silos and command bunkers.

01:10:27.000 Totally without warning.

01:10:29.000 That would be DU.

01:10:30.000 That would be DU, correct, Doctor?

01:10:32.000 That was what?

01:10:33.000 Uh, those, uh, those meteor gun weapons, would that be DU, depleted uranium?

01:10:39.000 Yeah, and I never said that at the time, uh, But yes, they're a combination of titanium and depleted uranium.

01:10:52.000 A titanium shell with a depleted uranium interior and guided by GPS.

01:11:01.000 And I never revealed those details at the time, but a couple years later I was debating one of the General Abramson's colonels in the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization.

01:11:13.000 And I started talking about the pure offensive purposes of Star Wars weapons.

01:11:21.000 And in his rebuttal, he said, you know very well that those titanium cones fired at the Earth from space and directed by GPS, that program doesn't exist.

01:11:38.000 And he said, well, I said, well, that's interesting because you just revealed classified details that I've never talked about and certainly didn't mention in my talk.

01:11:49.000 So obviously the program does exist.

01:11:52.000 And so since then, I've been able to tell more details.

01:11:58.000 Now, when we talked, you said you're also allowed to reveal that it's robotic space planes.

01:12:06.000 And, you know, you've been out of this for a long time.

01:12:09.000 But, I mean, from what I've talked to people at NASA here in Texas, people who were on the original Apollo program and beyond, and some of them we've had on air.

01:12:18.000 And, you know, these are guys you can watch the NASA film footage, and there they are on mission control.

01:12:23.000 They say that more than 90% of NASA, which is run by the Pentagon and by the President, is military, and that basically Wernher von Braun drew up the space shuttle in the 30s, it's a 1960s, 70s, 80s technology, and that the space program we see is really a facade for a larger black-op system, and that the militarization of space is just off the charts right now.

01:12:49.000 I mean, what can you speak to along those lines?

01:12:53.000 Right, well, space has been militarized for a very long time.

01:13:00.000 Most of the stuff up there are military satellites of one kind or another, either reconnaissance satellites or military communications satellites and various other things.

01:13:16.000 The weapons themselves may not be up there, but the gun sites are up there and all the rest of it.

01:13:24.000 Uh, the whole military command and control system is space-based.

01:13:29.000 So, uh, my task, really, uh, when Reagan was trying to do all this stuff was not to keep space from being militarized, as it already was, but to keep it from being weaponized.

01:13:42.000 Because that's the line we simply did not want to cross.

01:13:46.000 We understood that when we put weapons in space that, uh, Uh, you know, and particularly if they were the kind of stuff like Star Wars weapons with the kind of offensive capabilities they represented, that the Soviet Union would have, uh, no choice but to start shooting them down as fast as we put them up. 0.51

01:14:08.000 And of course, that was a task that was fairly simple.

01:14:11.000 The, uh, these space-based weapons are extremely vulnerable.

01:14:16.000 Uh, after all, they follow fixed orbits.

01:14:21.000 So you always know in advance exactly where they're going to be at any given time.

01:14:26.000 The mirrors that we were designing could be destroyed by such exotic anti-satellite weapons as a bucket of sand or a thimble full of sewing machine oil.

01:14:38.000 Uh, I always told the government, look, these things are never going to have any defensive value because of their enormous vulnerability.

01:14:48.000 They will be totally useless to an innocent party sitting back trying to defend himself because all the opposing side will do will be to knock out, uh, critical elements in the system first and then launch their missiles.

01:15:05.000 And even if you made these things, So that they could, in fact, shoot down ballistic missiles, which they couldn't do at that time.

01:15:15.000 They would be useless because they'd be put out of operation before the missiles were fired.

01:15:21.000 And I thought that was a pretty good argument.

01:15:25.000 I also pointed out that having these Star Wars weapons on both sides is the ultimate military lunacy because it rewards whoever shoots first.

01:15:37.000 And what we had at that point in the 70s was a stable nuclear balance because whoever fired first lost the war.

01:15:50.000 And the new technology changed that.

01:15:53.000 Doctor, let's go back.

01:15:54.000 We've got plenty of time to continue, but while we've got you, I want to go back.

01:16:00.000 What can you tell us about the robotic space planes?

01:16:07.000 Uh, not very much.

01:16:09.000 I mean, if you take a design roughly based on the shuttle and you eliminate all the, uh, uh, people from it and all the life support systems and all the oxygen and all the food and, and all the piss tubes and all, you know, all of that kind of stuff and make it robotic with, uh, So you can only hypothetically talk to us about what's going on because that's classified.

01:16:39.000 make the thing a heck of a lot smaller, and make it perform a heck of a lot better for a lot less money.

01:16:47.000 So you can only hypothetically talk to us about what's going on because that's classified.

01:16:53.000 Right.

01:16:54.000 Well, now NASA admits they have been developing space planes, and the Pentagon admits, like the B-1 bomber, the B-2 bomber were secret for many, many years, with the stealth bomber for 20 years before they rolled it out.

01:17:07.000 I mean, can you talk about how big the military NASA is versus the public NASA?

01:17:20.000 Shorter answer to that is I don't know anymore.

01:17:24.000 Uh, because, uh, all of my people on the inside that I used to get fed all the information, uh, uh, from, uh, all my old ex-students and people who used to work for me that used to, uh, uh, cue me in, they've all died or re- or retired and disappeared.

01:17:45.000 So, I really don't have recent information.

01:17:48.000 Alright, Doc, stay there.

01:17:50.000 We're gonna talk about, uh, X-ray lasers and more when we get back on the other side of this break.

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01:21:11.000 We appreciate him joining us today.

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01:21:34.000 Doc, I was interrupting as we went to break, bringing up x-ray lasers, other weapons systems, and you said you can speak to x-ray lasers.

01:21:44.000 The way I saw the news describe them, one system is a nuke detonates, and there's these rods in space, that sounds pretty dangerous to the rest of the satellites and things, and then fires just incredibly high-powered Yes.

01:21:57.000 That is the original design of Edward Teller in the early 1970s.

01:22:02.000 And he worked on it.

01:22:02.000 And is that one facet of X-ray lasers?

01:22:04.000 Yes.

01:22:06.000 That is the original design of Edward Teller in the early 1970s.

01:22:15.000 And he worked on it.

01:22:18.000 There were several underground nuclear blasts that were designed to test this to see if they could actually get an X-ray laser to work when pumped by a nuclear explosion.

01:22:38.000 - Okay.

01:22:39.000 And they never were able to get it to work.

01:22:43.000 And I lectured on this extensively in the early 1980s.

01:22:52.000 Uh, when Teller was still pushing it, uh, and had gone public with it, and it, uh, it is really a crazy Rube Goldberg scheme, and is supposed to pump these beams of x-rays out these tubes in the, uh, tiny fraction of a second before the whole thing evaporates because of the nuclear explosion.

01:23:20.000 And those beams of x-rays have to be extremely accurately pointed because they have to be pointed at where the ballistic missiles will be when the x-ray beam gets there.

01:23:37.000 And from hundreds or perhaps even thousands of miles away.

01:23:48.000 We were never able to get the pointing of those long, wimpy rods accurate enough to do any good.

01:24:01.000 We were never able to get the x-rays to actually laze.

01:24:06.000 There were a whole raft of things that were just totally ridiculous, and the early SDI Just threw that whole system away completely because it was so ludicrous.

01:24:23.000 What about neutron bombs from space?

01:24:28.000 Well, sure.

01:24:29.000 I mean, you can send anything down to Earth from space, and if you guide it with GPS or something else, you can do a lot of damage.

01:24:43.000 Of course, neutron bombs Uh, are basically people killers where the kind of bombs from space that, uh, we studied, uh, didn't need any explosive whatsoever.

01:24:59.000 Uh, you know, just the impact of the, uh, uh, heavy titanium clad depleted uranium rod, uh, It would, like a meteorite, do the damage without any explosive whatsoever.

01:25:17.000 And that's mainly a decapitation weapon, correct?

01:25:20.000 That would be good for taking out world leaders?

01:25:22.000 World leaders and command bunkers and missile silos.

01:25:30.000 Incredible!

01:25:31.000 Hour number two with Dr. Bob Bowman.

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01:27:28.000 Well, it's already the fourth and final hour.

01:27:38.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:27:39.000 Dr. Bob Bowman is our guest today, former head of the Star Wars program, 101 combat missions over Vietnam.

01:27:48.000 He is a PhD in aeronautics and nuclear engineering.

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01:28:00.000 For radio listeners, it is ThePatriots.us.

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01:28:10.000 Before we get back into Star Wars, we appreciate your time today, and take some phone calls.

01:28:16.000 You alluded to the fact that you believe we're winning.

01:28:19.000 And I remember talking to you six, seven, eight years ago, and you were a little more pessimistic, if memory serves.

01:28:25.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but why do you say those that want liberty and freedom and peace are starting to win?

01:28:34.000 Well, and in that, I include we 9-11 truthers, because they are demonizing us.

01:28:43.000 They're attacking us.

01:28:47.000 It makes a world of difference.

01:28:48.000 It's sort of like in my congressional race, and I'm sure you remember that one.

01:28:52.000 Yes.

01:28:53.000 And at first, the seven-term incumbent Republican tried to ignore me, and then they came out ridiculing me as a 9-11 truth wacko, and it was only in the end

01:29:11.000 Uh, when they got really scared that they put out enormous amounts of money onto slick brochures attacking me on every conceivable front and, you know, my name all over the place, uh, with them attacking me.

01:29:26.000 And that was pure desperation.

01:29:29.000 And of course, the exit polls seemed to indicate that I won that general election by 12 points, but the electronic touchscreen voting machines had it turned around.

01:29:42.000 Obviously, their own polls showed that they were behind, and so in their desperation, they attacked me.

01:29:52.000 Well, the same thing is happening to us patriots and 9-11 truthers today.

01:29:58.000 They tried just ignoring us, and that worked for a while, but not for too long.

01:30:05.000 And then they started, tried ridiculing us with all those hit pieces, National Geographic and Popular Mechanics and all that stuff.

01:30:17.000 And that didn't shut us up.

01:30:21.000 And we're starting to make headway into the mainstream media.

01:30:26.000 And now they're just outright attacking us and saying that we are potential terrorists And that, you know, we ought to be gunned down or locked up.

01:30:37.000 And for those that have missed it... So I think we're winning.

01:30:39.000 Absolutely.

01:30:40.000 For those that have missed it, they're really saying that now.

01:30:43.000 I mean, we're the non-violent, peaceful people exposing false flag terror that's been declassified in hundreds of cases.

01:30:49.000 Not just by our government, but others.

01:30:50.000 And they're everywhere now saying that we want to assassinate Obama.

01:30:55.000 I mean, Glenn Beck just pulls this out of the air.

01:30:57.000 Then you have that very suspicious Pentagon event that happens after this crescendo of demonization.

01:31:04.000 Yeah, well, you know, the people who are accusing us of those kind of things, it's a matter of projection, because if there's anybody that wants those kind of actions taken, it's them, not us.

01:31:19.000 And personally, I'm disappointed with Obama, but I would much rather have him in there than George W. Bush, and I would In particular, Dick Cheney.

01:31:33.000 And I'd much rather have him in there, frankly, than Joe Biden.

01:31:38.000 So, no.

01:31:41.000 I put my body on the line to protect Barack Obama because he may not be doing what we need, but he at least hasn't done as bad as has been done in the past.

01:31:53.000 So you don't think he's completely mentally ill like Cheney?

01:31:56.000 We'll be right back. 0.95

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01:33:58.000 Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.

01:34:03.000 If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?

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01:35:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:35:23.000 Every day, sometimes multiple times daily, Newsweek, Time Magazine, London Guardian, New York Times, Write articles saying I'm calling for violence when all we've ever done is called for peace and non-violence.

01:35:38.000 PBS is here today.

01:35:40.000 Nightline just called.

01:35:41.000 They want to do an entire 8-minute profile on Alex Jones only.

01:35:46.000 It is very creepy because I never intended 14, 15 years ago when I started getting on air to have had this big of an effect and to have learned as much as I've learned.

01:35:55.000 But it's a testament to all of you out there what you can do if you take action.

01:35:59.000 But I don't like to talk about myself, but I do get some concern and try to analyze this.

01:36:04.000 Dr. Bob Bowman, what does it sound like to you that they're demonizing all of us now, claiming we're for violence, but specifically singling me out?

01:36:11.000 I mean, you've been doing this longer than I have.

01:36:13.000 Do you have any advice for me?

01:36:16.000 Well, I'd say to keep doing what you're doing and be just as public as you can, because the more in the public eye you are, the less they can do to you.

01:36:28.000 The people who get picked off are usually the ones that very few people have heard of.

01:36:36.000 And so I'd say just Keep out there in the public eye and give them a black eye.

01:36:44.000 Keep doing it, Alex.

01:36:45.000 That's all I gotta say.

01:36:46.000 But why are they coming after me so much?

01:36:48.000 I mean, I mean... You're effective.

01:36:54.000 You're effective.

01:36:55.000 That's why.

01:36:59.000 You know, I committed to this just like you committed to telling the truth and I've passed the point of no return a long time ago, but it is creepy to have the eye of the beast looking at you.

01:37:13.000 Oh yeah.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:15.000 You know, I'd like to talk about, we've talked a lot about the past, I'd like to talk a little bit about the present and the near future because I'd like to talk a little about our plans for how to take back the country and Okay, we're gonna do that.

01:37:38.000 And we'll also have you back, because you're a treasure, Dr. Bob Bowman.

01:37:43.000 But, you know, the old saying, when you're over the target, you're getting the flak, like when you had SAM missiles getting shot at you in Vietnam.

01:37:49.000 But while we've got you picking your brain, we talked during a break.

01:37:53.000 About CERN, if you think it's a danger, you gave me your answer.

01:37:57.000 We also talked about, and you said you were aware of it, that the Air Force has talked about, they're trying to develop antimatter weapons.

01:38:03.000 I mean, isn't that dangerous?

01:38:04.000 I mean, even the testing of those.

01:38:06.000 Talk about CERN versus antimatter weapons.

01:38:11.000 Okay, well, CERN, the equivalent of Brookhaven cyclotron, In the corner of Switzerland and France there, the European version.

01:38:28.000 CERN, I've been there, I've been through it and looked at their operations.

01:38:36.000 I don't see anything nefarious about it.

01:38:40.000 Scientific knowledge can always be used for good or evil, and all too often evil, and they're producing new scientific knowledge.

01:38:48.000 They're also playing around a little bit with the collisions between matter and antimatter and that theoretically can put out an awful lot of energy and it is dangerous and the experiments have to be extremely carefully controlled.

01:39:09.000 Now as far as taking antimatter and weaponizing it, I have never heard of any Uh, effort which has been anywhere near successful in making weapons out of this stuff.

01:39:25.000 Uh, it's too hard to produce, too hard to contain.

01:39:30.000 Uh, I don't see anything of that kind in the foreseeable future.

01:39:40.000 But it is dangerous from the physicists I've read, mainline physicists, that the Pentagon admits they are playing with it and trying to isolate it.

01:39:48.000 I mean, couldn't that create potentially some type of chain reaction?

01:39:53.000 Yes, it is dangerous.

01:39:56.000 And there are a lot of things that are going on that are dangerous that I have been opposed to from the beginning, like HAARP up in Alaska.

01:40:05.000 And I've been up there to that facility.

01:40:09.000 I think it's extremely dangerous to dump huge amounts of money, I mean, of energy.

01:40:17.000 It's money to the people who sell them the gas that they're turning into energy.

01:40:22.000 Dumping all that energy into the stratosphere is extremely dangerous.

01:40:29.000 They're talking about weather modification, they're talking about mind control, they're talking about all sorts of weird things.

01:40:38.000 They don't really know what they're doing and it could have very negative consequences that they don't know how to control.

01:40:49.000 So I have been against the HAARP facility from the beginning.

01:40:55.000 Well here's a quick question, here's a quick example.

01:40:59.000 Four years ago in the interviews on YouTube and Google everywhere, just Alex Jones interviews head of HAARP, we had the private PhD director, but the military runs it, and when I was contacted by HAARP and they said, you want to clear up rumors, we'll have the director on.

01:41:14.000 I was contacted.

01:41:16.000 And so, then comes the day to get him on for an hour-long interview, and I've got some colonel bossing me around during the breaks, and they've got the line under their control fading him down several times.

01:41:28.000 Then he starts talking about, we have a lot of fun, he's like a mad scientist.

01:41:32.000 We can even, you know, ignite the atmosphere some nights and create artificial Aurora Borealis.

01:41:37.000 Then they turn him down, gripe at him during the break.

01:41:40.000 I mean, this was bizarre.

01:41:43.000 But I mean, it was really the director of HAARP we had on.

01:41:46.000 Why would they contact me to come on, and then why would he then start talking about igniting the atmosphere?

01:41:51.000 This didn't sound too safe.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, well, uh... They, I guess, figured that the colonels could control him.

01:42:02.000 But, you know, when scientists start talking about their stuff, they just start blabbing a lot of times.

01:42:11.000 And, uh...

01:42:12.000 Sure, that's what happened.

01:42:13.000 But we're trying to infiltrate the Congress.

01:42:21.000 We're trying to get rid of almost all the incumbents in 2008.

01:42:30.000 We had about 30 members of our organization, the Patriots, run for Congress around the country, but they all ran as Greens or Libertarians or Independents or Right-ins, and of course nobody got elected.

01:42:44.000 So we're taking a different tack this time.

01:42:46.000 We're having each of our chapters groom people within the chapter to run Well, Bob, let me do this.

01:42:58.000 Let me do this, because I promised to go to calls, and you've been very gracious with your time.

01:43:01.000 How about when the interview ends, we pick a date when you're going to be at your home next week, and we have you on for a full hour about your program to get true patriots elected to Congress.

01:43:11.000 People can find out at your website as well.

01:43:14.000 How about you come on for a full hour just on solutions next week?

01:43:18.000 Sure.

01:43:18.000 Okay, let's set that up, because I want to go to calls now.

01:43:21.000 We've only got four minutes in this segment, a short five-minute segment, before we let you go at the bottom of the hour.

01:43:21.000 I promise to.

01:43:27.000 But give out your website one more time, where you've got more of this battle plan up there.

01:43:32.000 Yeah, stoppatriots.us, and there's information there on what you can do to help.

01:43:40.000 We desperately need money.

01:43:42.000 We're about a million and a half dollars in debt.

01:43:46.000 And I'm on the hook for it personally.

01:43:49.000 We desperately need some contributions and you can do that through the net.

01:43:55.000 The other thing is I've just published a book called A Populist Vision for America.

01:44:00.000 And one of the chapters in that book is all about what individual citizens can do.

01:44:06.000 So anybody who wants that book can request it.

01:44:12.000 So get on the website.

01:44:15.000 And next week, we'll spend an hour on solutions and the book with Dr. Bob Bowman.

01:44:19.000 So we'll set you up for that as soon as the radio interview ends.

01:44:22.000 Let's talk to Mark in California.

01:44:24.000 Mark, you're on the air with Dr. Bob Bowman.

01:44:25.000 Go ahead.

01:44:26.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

01:44:28.000 How are you doing?

01:44:28.000 Hi, Doctor.

01:44:30.000 Great.

01:44:32.000 My first question was about 9-11.

01:44:34.000 In your experience, what has been Um, the best way of communicating, you know, uh, the 9-11 truth to friends, family members, other people that are close to you that, you know, you respect very much, but that are otherwise ignorant to the truth or are subjected to the propaganda machine and have not yet realized what's really going on.

01:44:54.000 That's a great question, Mark.

01:44:55.000 Thank you.

01:44:56.000 Dr. Bob Bowman.

01:44:57.000 Okay.

01:44:58.000 On my website, I have a three-minute video Uh, I call the smoking gun video.

01:45:05.000 It's all about World Trade Center 7.

01:45:08.000 I use it with friends and family, and I use it when I lobby in Congress, because you can't get a congressman to sit down for two hours and watch news change or something, but you can get him to sit down for three minutes.

01:45:23.000 And in three minutes, They see the BBC broadcast World Trade Center 7 collapsing before it did, they see Larry Silverstein talking about pulling it, and they see the building come down from about 12 different views.

01:45:39.000 An apparent controlled demolition of an intact building with no visible fire.

01:45:44.000 If that doesn't convince them that the whole Bush official conspiracy theory is a lie, I don't know what will.

01:45:54.000 And you can download that from my website.

01:45:57.000 And I would add the caveat, you have six of the ten commissioners saying it's a fraud and a cover-up.

01:46:02.000 I have AP and Raw Story here revealed Ashcroft Tenant Rumsfeld warned 9-11 Commission about line it should not cross and told them don't investigate the attacks themselves.

01:46:12.000 And as a former intercept pilot, I think that's some of the most convincing information when you've given your speeches in the past explaining that you were once an intercept pilot and they stood down.

01:46:23.000 Absolutely they did.

01:46:25.000 Hijacked airliners did not fly around for an hour and 40 minutes without being intercepted. 0.92

01:46:30.000 And that day, 9-11, uh, was I was watching things unfold.

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01:46:39.000 You know, it's, uh, so I knew we were being lied to from day one.

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01:46:46.000 Thing is, 9-11 is extremely important because all the evils that are going on are being blamed on it.

01:46:54.000 So we need 9-11 truth, because without it, all the evils will continue no matter which way we turn.

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01:50:58.000 Final segment with Dr. Bob Bowman.

01:51:08.000 We have a Oklahoma City survivor.

01:51:10.000 Says she saw McVeigh and the black op teams in there planting the bombs.

01:51:15.000 So that is coming up.

01:51:17.000 It's right after the anniversary of that federal operation in 1995.

01:51:20.000 They're getting ready for another one.

01:51:23.000 Let's talk to Jim in Missouri.

01:51:25.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

01:51:25.000 Quick question for Dr. Bob Bowman, Jim.

01:51:28.000 Hey Alex, you always seem to amaze me.

01:51:30.000 Don't worry about it.

01:51:31.000 Truth will prevail.

01:51:32.000 Hey Bowman, I got a couple questions and you can touch on what you want to touch on.

01:51:38.000 What's the deal with the TR3 platforms, the H3 mining on the moon?

01:51:45.000 And why, if you know anything, why do we have so many battleships over in the Gulf of Aden?

01:51:55.000 Okay, well, the first two, I don't have any answer for.

01:52:02.000 We can't mine the moon until we get back there, and that's going to be a while, it looks like.

01:52:08.000 The battleships, unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff in place.

01:52:15.000 I understand including bunker buster bombs on Diego Garcia in preparation for an all-out attack on Iran which I hope never comes and I'm going to do everything I can to prevent. 1.00

01:52:29.000 And they've been reporting that we've shipped the missile casings so the Israelis can put small nukes, I guess they call it the mega bunker buster, to use against Iran.

01:52:39.000 And they say, oh, this is the friendly nuke.

01:52:41.000 We're allowed to use this preemptively.

01:52:43.000 How far do you know that as far as we've done any reverse engineering? - I did.

01:52:54.000 Jim, he doesn't get into all the conspiracy theory stuff.

01:52:57.000 He actually headed up Star Wars.

01:52:58.000 We're talking about what's going on out there and what he can talk about that isn't classified.

01:53:04.000 Might have the wrong show there.

01:53:05.000 George in Connecticut.

01:53:07.000 George, you're on the air.

01:53:08.000 Welcome.

01:53:09.000 Hi there.

01:53:11.000 Dr. Bowman, I just want to give you a little bit of insight on the Star Wars thing.

01:53:15.000 My mother was a double agent in Germany, undercover during World War II, and she saw the first laser, operational laser weapons being shooted down, Allied flying things, or other type of weapons, because she was well-connected, and she basically debriefed Some of the scientists at Perpin and Elmer in Norwalk, Connecticut.

01:53:38.000 And actually, as a kid, I saw some of the original pictures of some of these weapons when they were still classified, six months away from being declassified, and was invited to a scientific seminar.

01:53:49.000 All right, George, that's interesting.

01:53:50.000 You ought to call in sometime.

01:53:53.000 What about advanced weapons platforms?

01:53:55.000 And we know the Nazis had the jets first, and now I've seen mainstream articles claiming they had primitive A-bombs.

01:54:01.000 Did you ever run into any of that?

01:54:04.000 Well, I know they have the jet.

01:54:06.000 I don't know about any A-bombs.

01:54:09.000 Lasers, yeah.

01:54:13.000 We have much more effective and powerful lasers now.

01:54:19.000 But again, it depends on what you want to do with it.

01:54:22.000 And you can knock aircraft down.

01:54:25.000 You can do a bunch of stuff from space.

01:54:28.000 But there's a lot of things that you still can't do with them.

01:54:34.000 What's more effective, from your knowledge, the space-based or those big DC-10s with the big chemical lasers mounted on them, so air-to-ground or air-to-air anti-missile?

01:54:43.000 Again, it depends on what you want to do.

01:54:46.000 If you're trying to shoot down a missile, which is what they advertise these things for, doing it with a 747 or any of those things is absolutely crazy.

01:55:00.000 Because they themselves are so vulnerable.

01:55:03.000 Any country or group that has the technology to send a missile against the United States would certainly have the technology to shoot down a 747.

01:55:16.000 And you do that first.

01:55:18.000 It's just like in the old days. 0.65

01:55:20.000 What they're advertising as being defensive is ridiculous because of vulnerability. 0.61

01:55:27.000 I mean, clearly, these airborne lasers are meant for assassinations and offensive operations and killing personnel. 0.89

01:55:35.000 Sure.

01:55:36.000 Sure, they won't admit that, but of course they are.

01:55:40.000 Alright, well, Dr. Bob Bowman, it's been an amazing interview, and your phone's breaking up a bit, so we're going to let you go, but we're going to get you set up to come on for a full hour to talk about your new book next week, here on the radio broadcast with us.

01:55:52.000 Thank you for spending so much time with us.

01:55:53.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:55:56.000 We'll see you.

01:55:57.000 Again, we'll have him with us next week on a landline, ladies and gentlemen.

01:56:00.000 But I wanted to get him on as soon as possible.

01:56:02.000 Dr. Bowman has been in and out of the hospital with cancer.

01:56:05.000 He's going to be with doctors throughout part of this week.

01:56:09.000 And he's a tough guy.

01:56:12.000 And he was here last year for an interview that we put in Fall of the Republic.

01:56:18.000 My latest documentary film, and he did a couple hours on the radio, did the interviews, and then you could just tell he was drained when he got back in his RV and drove off.

01:56:28.000 Such a great guy, and tough.

01:56:31.000 Tough, because he doesn't feel too well, so be sure and support him.

01:56:34.000 Tireless fighter for freedom.

01:56:36.000 Okay, we've got a very informative Lady who survived the Oklahoma City bombing attack 15 years ago, joining us on the other side of this quick break. 0.99

01:56:45.000 Don't forget, Police State 4 The Rise of FEMA premieres tomorrow at PrisonPlanet.tv.

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02:00:01.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.

02:00:07.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:00:10.000 We have Jane Graham's affidavit.

02:00:22.000 We've interviewed the former foreman of the Oklahoma City Grand Jury.

02:00:26.000 We've interviewed police officers.

02:00:29.000 We have a very clear picture of what happened that day.

02:00:31.000 A very clear picture.

02:00:34.000 And in fact, Jane, if memory serves, I've interviewed her in years.

02:00:38.000 I remember that she even saw some of the people that she saw working in the building planting gray sticks of butter with wires, who had federal passes as maintenance people, on some of the news footage.

02:00:51.000 And I've talked to other witnesses that said they saw those men in there.

02:00:54.000 And then on the news, after the bomb had gone off, they'd say, well, that's him.

02:00:58.000 Well, that's him.

02:01:00.000 John Doe number two, Iraqis involved, all protected by the U.S.

02:01:03.000 government.

02:01:07.000 Jane Graham is a ninth-floor survivor of the Murrow Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City in 1995.

02:01:12.000 She's made a video affidavit after she watched the video cover-up in Oklahoma.

02:01:17.000 In that video, she recognized seeing two men who were caught on camera walking hurriedly away from the building after the bombing, holding walkie-talkies.

02:01:24.000 She says that she had noticed these men in the building prior to the bombing wearing General Services Administration maintenance uniforms that she did not recognize GSA employees.

02:01:36.000 And we have her affidavit up on InfoWars.com.

02:01:40.000 Now there's a new article out by Red Dirt Report, a great outfit out of Oklahoma, and it boils down, again, she's one of scores of survivors and witnesses that basically tell the same story.

02:01:51.000 Okay.

02:01:52.000 And now you have Terry Nichols saying, in a sworn federal affidavit, that McVeigh was a black op operator.

02:01:57.000 You have McVeigh separately saying, one day it'll come out, the government did this.

02:02:00.000 The ATF, 30 seconds after the bombing, in full bomb gear, telling medics, patch me up, I was on the 9th floor.

02:02:06.000 She was on the 9th floor.

02:02:07.000 It was almost completely destroyed. 0.89

02:02:08.000 Asinine.

02:02:10.000 While Oklahoma and the rest of the world respectfully remember the 168 people who died in the bombing of the Alvar P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, one survivor of April 1995 blast, Jane Graham, wants her questions about what really happened that day answered once and for all.

02:02:24.000 Graham, a native of Chicago, was working for HUD office on the ninth floor of the Murrah Building that morning, told Red Dirt Report that there were a lot of strange things going on in the weeks leading up to the bombing, things that she shared numerous times with federal agents, things she felt were ignored, This including the presence of maintenance workers who do not recognize military people in the parking garage and more unusual activity.

02:02:46.000 But one of the key figures, the bomber himself, Tim McVeigh, was spotted in the federal building on a number of occasions and by multiple witnesses, I would add.

02:02:53.000 It was a couple of weeks before the bombing.

02:02:55.000 I had seen McVeigh in the building prior to the bombing around the first week of April.

02:03:00.000 McVeigh, Graham said, rode up the elevator while she was heading to her office on that morning.

02:03:06.000 And we have the former head of Air Force Weapons Development saying the building was blown out and on in.

02:03:11.000 And you have the seismographs and the blast points.

02:03:13.000 I mean, it just goes on and on.

02:03:14.000 Hoppy Heidelberg, the grand juror foreman, being threatened by the FBI and cops being killed who spoke out.

02:03:19.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

02:03:20.000 And I'm going to have her back up in the next few weeks for a full hour. 1.00

02:03:23.000 She's very gracious.

02:03:23.000 But I hate to even cover this without going over all the evidence.

02:03:26.000 Let me just read a few more lines and we're going to her. 0.98

02:03:30.000 Uh, she said, McVeigh was in military fatigues.

02:03:33.000 I looked at him and said, hi, and he simply looked straight ahead.

02:03:36.000 He got off the sixth floor.

02:03:38.000 I turned to someone else in the elevator and said, well, he's certainly not very friendly.

02:03:41.000 Another time, Graham said, he was in the elevator again and got off on the ninth floor where the Secret Service and BATF offices were located.

02:03:48.000 Another unusual event, Graham recalled, was on Friday, April 14th, 95.

02:03:52.000 She had parked in the Murrah parking garage and she noticed three men standing together on the south side of the parking area.

02:03:58.000 One of the men was holding what looked like floor plans.

02:04:01.000 She said at first she thought about the recent phone problems that had been plugging the building and problems with gas fumes in the area.

02:04:08.000 I watched them carefully, Graham said.

02:04:09.000 They were standing behind a green light station wagon like an old country Squire wagon.

02:04:18.000 It was filthy and I couldn't see the plate on it.

02:04:21.000 As she watched the three men, one of whom was wearing dark clothing and two wearing short sleeves and jeans, one of the men held a stack or a roll of what appeared to be telephone wire.

02:04:30.000 And then we'll have her Finish up with what she was told, and she talked to other people, military personnel, people that said they were FBI, people she'd not seen before.

02:04:41.000 It just goes on and on.

02:04:43.000 People approached her, identified themselves as FBI, wanted to know about the men.

02:04:48.000 I mean, it just goes on and on.

02:04:50.000 And Jane Graham, on record, has been all over national TV.

02:04:53.000 She was up there on the ninth floor.

02:04:54.000 She's one of the survivors.

02:04:56.000 And Jane Graham, we appreciate your courage, and you're speaking out again, and it's good to have you on with us.

02:05:01.000 Thank you very much for having me.

02:05:03.000 Yes, go ahead.

02:05:07.000 No, no, no, you go ahead.

02:05:08.000 I mean, millions are listening.

02:05:10.000 Tell folks what really happened.

02:05:12.000 Well, I think you've covered a lot of it, but going back to, I'll try and keep it, the most important part was the Friday before when I saw the men down below.

02:05:26.000 I was asked about the three men, and I did tell them that they wanted to know what I thought they were, and I said, well, I would take the man in charge, being a surveyor, and military.

02:05:41.000 I said that was the first two things that came to my mind when I saw them, and I gave them a visualizing the size of which they were holding up, and I was told that that is exactly the size of plans that plans are when they are, in fact, drawings of the building and the garage area.

02:06:10.000 And the third gentleman was tall, very, very nice-looking man.

02:06:15.000 Dark hair.

02:06:16.000 His hair came right to his collar.

02:06:20.000 He had very dark eyes, dark hair.

02:06:23.000 He wore a black cowboy hat with a silver trim on the hat.

02:06:29.000 And he had black jeans, black boots, black shirt.

02:06:34.000 And I really got a good look at him.

02:06:36.000 He turned away from me and went to the north wall and was having a cigarette.

02:06:40.000 And he did not want me to watch him.

02:06:44.000 And of course we now know, I mean you saw him on the news, Andreas Stossmeier, the son of a top SS general, is an admitted black ops commander for German and US intelligence and was at Elohim City being run by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

02:06:59.000 Yes.

02:07:00.000 And that was who I identified later on.

02:07:04.000 I also identified one of the men when I was finally shown some pictures, not by the FBI, not by the police, but through a private investigator who was giving me, and I identified Gary Hunt as one of the gentlemen that I saw in the building with another man who was about 5'8", light brownish-blonde hair, very poor, very, very bad-complected.

02:07:32.000 When they both came out of the stairwell, they looked directly at me, and then they bent their heads down and turned around the corner to go around the hallway past GSA because that is an outside door there to the outside of the building on the west end of the building.

02:07:56.000 So I was very much aware of them, and then I was going to go upstairs, and I thought it was odd that they came down the stairwell, and as I said, they were going quite quickly, and I was talking to somebody else, About the fact that I had seen some maintenance men, you know, some outside maintenance men.

02:08:22.000 And it wasn't just right after that when I was waiting at the elevator, a gentleman came up to me and said he was talking to some others and he said, I'm from the FBI and someone told me that you have seen two maintenance men.

02:08:40.000 And I said, No, I didn't.

02:08:43.000 And of course, at that time I was thinking whether they were talking about the elevator, which we've had a problem with, or the phone company.

02:08:51.000 And it wasn't registering to me at all about associating them with the two GSA draft maintenance men.

02:09:02.000 And it was only later on, after I saw a video and saw the two of those men, I realized this is the men that they were referring to, who somebody obviously had told them, I assume it was the men that I passed, that I had seen them.

02:09:18.000 Um, so that, I think in that in itself probably saved my life at that point because Terry Yankee had seen so much and he was killed.

02:09:27.000 A lot of people were murdered because of what they saw or what they wrote or what they did.

02:09:33.000 Yeah, let me stop you there.

02:09:35.000 Terrence Yegge was cop of the year that year.

02:09:37.000 He went in, local Oklahoma City cop, saved a bunch of people.

02:09:40.000 And the last person he talked to was his partner.

02:09:43.000 He'd hidden evidence of it being an inside job in a storage locker outside town.

02:09:49.000 He'd been told to get off the case by his superiors.

02:09:51.000 And the last phone call to his partner said, I'm being tailed by feds.

02:09:54.000 And then he was found murdered and tortured.

02:09:55.000 That's right.

02:09:58.000 That is correct, and I did go.

02:10:02.000 I wrote a letter to Stephen Jones.

02:10:05.000 I wrote a letter to the FBI.

02:10:08.000 I wrote one to my doctor and another person, and I told them exactly what I saw.

02:10:14.000 I gave them descriptions of the man.

02:10:16.000 I gave them what they were wearing, everything I could about them and what had occurred.

02:10:23.000 And I never did hear anything from anyone regarding from the FBI or the police about looking at pictures of anyone, trying to identify anyone.

02:10:37.000 And I did talk to one attorney, and he said, well, I know the sketch artists, but the police are just really, really good.

02:10:47.000 We'll get a sketch done.

02:10:48.000 I said, fine.

02:10:49.000 Never heard from him again after that.

02:10:51.000 It just dropped.

02:10:52.000 You know, that was the end of that discussion.

02:10:54.000 I went with Debbie Nakanishi to Washington several times on this case.

02:11:03.000 I met with one of the men who was on the attorney's staff there, you know, dealing with, I wanted information about, well, how does one, how does one, Deal with this as far as from the legal aspect of the government and for review and so forth.

02:11:26.000 And he said, well, there were only like, I think, three men that, you know, deal with a lot of these issues.

02:11:33.000 And that really, you know, there wasn't anything that they could do.

02:11:36.000 And I wanted, I tried to see the congressmen and senators from the state of Oklahoma.

02:11:42.000 None of them would see me or talk to me.

02:11:44.000 And the only person that would talk to me was Uh, was James Traficant.

02:11:51.000 And I did meet in his office, I met his assistant, and at that time he had requested from GSA all of their files.

02:12:01.000 And, um, the FBI had come to him and told him that they wanted to go through all of the files that he had to, um, white out various things that would be incriminating, and he told them they didn't have the authority to do that.

02:12:20.000 But he would give them one day, and they said, because he said they would not be able to do that.

02:12:25.000 And his assistant told me that they had threatened James Traficant and said, we will get you for this.

02:12:32.000 You know, we're going to get you over there.

02:12:35.000 And it's now been declassified that the current attorney general, back at the time, was the deputy, and the memos have been released in his emails where he said, we've got to have a full court press.

02:12:46.000 This is like D-Day.

02:12:47.000 We've all...

02:12:49.000 We've got to get down to Oklahoma City, this is on the 16th, and cover this up, or it's over for us.

02:12:55.000 And we can even pull those emails up, I've read them on air.

02:12:58.000 And so that clearly shows they were going into Congressman's office and saying, you shut your mouth.

02:13:02.000 There's so much to talk to you about, Jane Graham.

02:13:05.000 Expanding on this, what about your run-ins with Tim McVeigh in the weeks before the Alfred P. Murrow building was blown out from under you?

02:13:14.000 Yes, yes.

02:13:15.000 He was there.

02:13:16.000 He was there a number of times going up.

02:13:21.000 As I said, he went to the 6th floor.

02:13:24.000 I think he even went to the 5th floor and certainly the 9th floor.

02:13:27.000 He had gone up there And I really thought that he was with the military units there and going in to report.

02:13:36.000 Or up on the ninth floor, they had ATF and other operations up there.

02:13:42.000 And I thought, well, whatever he's doing, he's new and he's just reporting in to whatever he needed to do.

02:13:50.000 And the comment I made about his not talking was the fact that Uh, everybody in that building would always be very, um, pleasant and always friendly and, hi, how are you?

02:14:03.000 You know, regardless, if you didn't know them, they spoke, and he absolutely would just look straight ahead.

02:14:08.000 Totally military.

02:14:11.000 And also, one of the things most people do not know is that, um, uh, the The bomb squad had parked across in the church parking lot that morning and had their dogs out.

02:14:26.000 And one of the postal workers, a friend of mine that went with me to Washington several times, she had seen them now.

02:14:33.000 She was told her job was threatened.

02:14:34.000 She was told, do not discuss this with anybody.

02:14:40.000 She went to the union in regards to that issue, and that was taken care of relatively quickly.

02:14:47.000 But it was important because when I went up to the seventh floor, I ran into Trish Nix, who was killed in the bombing, and she said, have you seen the bomb squad?

02:15:02.000 And I said, no, I haven't.

02:15:03.000 And she said, well, they've been in the building.

02:15:06.000 So I knew right then that there was something going on.

02:15:10.000 And of course, like I said earlier, two weeks before that, when I was in the coffee shop, I was sitting in a booth and right next to me on the other booth was another lady talking to a friend of hers, telling her that she had called a friend who worked at the FBI office at 5010 Place and that

02:15:31.000 Her, uh, this friend had received a fax stating that there was going to be a bombing in the federal building, and I was very, and that, not to, and she gave it to her supervisor, and he said, don't worry about it, we know about it already.

02:15:45.000 And I was concerned because my, at that time, daughter-in-law had been working at Baliance, which is in 50 Penn Place, and I said, oh my God, surely, when I came home, I said, surely they're not, um, not going to try and bomb 50 Penn Place, of course that's where FBI was.

02:16:01.000 And I thought, all those people, you know, they have nothing to do with the government.

02:16:06.000 Well, Jane, let me back you up on this, because some of this has come out in newspapers, but I have an employee whose dad was working in a federal building in Dallas, and they got that fax the day before that a federal building was going to be blown up.

02:16:21.000 Uh, and then I know someone separately who was working at a federal building at the time on the West Coast who remembers those faxes coming in.

02:16:28.000 And it's even come out in the news that there were some warnings.

02:16:32.000 Uh, but you've got McVeigh in the building, you've got all these guys running around.

02:16:35.000 Going back from some of your earlier video testimony, and I haven't seen it in years, but am I correct in saying you didn't just see wiring?

02:16:40.000 You saw gray sticks of butter?

02:16:43.000 I, I, I didn't know what it was at the time.

02:16:47.000 I just, I saw it looked like putty.

02:16:50.000 And I thought, uh, I didn't know what it was until someone told me, oh no, that's C4.

02:16:58.000 That's what that looks like.

02:16:59.000 Now who had the blocks of gray putty?

02:17:01.000 Those were the two, that was the man that was with the gentleman who was holding the plans in the building.

02:17:09.000 And so you're walking by these guys and you've never seen these maintenance crews, but they're there with wires and gray putty?

02:17:16.000 No, no, no.

02:17:17.000 Not the two maintenance men.

02:17:19.000 This is separate?

02:17:20.000 These other three men were entirely different men.

02:17:25.000 I would have bet money on the two being military.

02:17:29.000 Absolutely military.

02:17:31.000 The other one who I later identified was Strathmire.

02:17:36.000 But those three were different than, than, uh... Okay, hold on.

02:17:42.000 We've got a final segment.

02:17:43.000 It's clear we're gonna have to get you up again and really debrief you on all this.

02:17:47.000 You've told the story and it's been proven to be accurate.

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02:21:04.000 Murrow bombing survivors says feds involved in blasts that killed 168 in 1995.

02:21:11.000 And it's chilling, I believe.

02:21:13.000 I was talking to Jane Graham during the break and I said, do you see the same propaganda Clinton's saying?

02:21:18.000 I hope there didn't have to be a terror attack to make the Tea Party shut up.

02:21:21.000 Where do you see this going?

02:21:23.000 And what she said was chilling.

02:21:25.000 But finish up.

02:21:26.000 So it was Strassmeier and the other two guys in the garage you saw with the gray sticks of putty or butter.

02:21:32.000 Now, specifically, where do you think this is all going?

02:21:35.000 Who do you think from the evidence was behind this?

02:21:39.000 There are several things.

02:21:39.000 First of all, the ATF that morning, and I think people need to understand, that morning, before the bombing, there were two men dressed with ATF Ray Jackets on talking to a third gentleman outside in front of the Murrow building that morning.

02:21:55.000 And I then found out you don't wear those unless there's something going down where they need to be recognizable immediately.

02:22:03.000 That's one.

02:22:04.000 Strathmire and the other two gentlemen that were in the garage the Friday before, yes, what I saw them have, I was told that what they thought was the putty was in fact actually what I gave a description of, and I was told that's C4.

02:22:24.000 What I am saying is that if anyone goes back in history, history repeats itself always, but governments always, one of the things they have done, they go in and they take care of creating an incident, creating a bombing or whatever, in order to come back in and fix it so that

02:22:52.000 Whatever has happened, they've got a solution of how they're going to fix the problem, whether it be they're going to say, well, the terrorists did it.

02:22:59.000 We now have to have additional protection.

02:23:04.000 We need to blame it on the militia.

02:23:07.000 We need to blame it on—we need to have a Patriot Act.

02:23:11.000 We need gun control. 0.88

02:23:13.000 They've always got an agenda to take away rights.

02:23:17.000 And to sell it to the public in mass as, we're protecting you, we're the good guys, we're taking care of you, we're protecting you.

02:23:26.000 And I'm saying that this was done, they can claim, they can claim that they had no part in it because issues involved in it, and even though they were behind it, and they, I imagine and feel very confident in, that they did have McVeigh on their payroll.

02:23:50.000 They did get Strassmeyer out of the country with his luggage, with everything.

02:23:58.000 A straight shot through was told by, I understand from others, they were told, do not go through his luggage.

02:24:06.000 Just give him a free pass to go back to Germany. 0.99

02:24:10.000 There were other people who were involved and money that came from the Islam countries and involved.

02:24:23.000 So, they could go from a very technical, big, big organization and having other people do their work through FBI, CIA, and then say, well, we don't know anything about it.

02:24:37.000 Absolutely, Jane.

02:24:39.000 Jane, Oklahoma City bombing survivor, we're out of time.

02:24:42.000 In closing, though, Are you concerned seeing the same buildup of propaganda claiming domestic groups are going to attack again?

02:24:50.000 The government's doing unpopular things.

02:24:52.000 They need to play the part of the victim again.

02:24:54.000 I see pre-programming for another Oklahoma City.

02:24:57.000 Do you agree?

02:24:58.000 Absolutely.

02:24:58.000 I think they will do something.

02:25:00.000 I really believe that it's not a bombing.

02:25:02.000 They think it's going to be something that will have to do with water supplies or germ warfare of some sort.

02:25:09.000 But they're planning ahead to do something big in order to blame the militias, blame the Tea Parties, because the American public is getting fed up with having their rights taken away, being taxed to death, and government because the American public is getting fed up with having their rights taken away, Jane Graham, we're going to interview you again in the near future for a full hour.

02:25:35.000 God bless you.

02:25:35.000 Let me say bye to you at the end of the show.

02:25:37.000 Great job, crew.

02:25:38.000 God bless you all.

02:25:39.000 Police State 4 premieres tomorrow.

Alex Jones Show - April 20, 2010

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