Alex Jones Show - 20120921_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 Waging War on Corruption.

00:00:01.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:04.000 Big Brother.

00:00:12.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:13.000 Government cover-offs.

00:00:16.000 You want answers?

00:00:18.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:19.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:23.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:31.000 Alright, Ted Anderson's with us another five minutes.

00:00:34.000 Ted, let me just have you back on.

00:00:40.000 Let me just have you back on for the whole third hour, if you can do it, to actually get into monetary issues and not just sit here and pitch gold and silver.

00:00:49.000 And again, we pitch things we believe in, which then funds our operation.

00:00:53.000 But that's why I get so excited about all this, because I believe in it.

00:00:57.000 I just called Ted last week and...

00:00:59.000 Ted, you've been so busy, I asked what you thought the best of the radio specials were, and you were gonna call me back, I was gonna get a few gold coins and some silver, and Ted, you didn't call me back, so I need to call one of your brokers, don't I?

00:01:10.000 Yeah, well, no, we'll get it done.

00:01:11.000 But I can tell you right now, watching the charts yesterday, silver and gold both, it just, it was just coming along and going and then all of a sudden a spike upward.

00:01:22.000 I mean, to have a $46 increase in gold in one day and about $4.60 in silver in one day, are you kidding me?

00:01:30.000 And that's just quantitative easing, that's just the news breaking.

00:01:34.000 The FOMC Open Market Committee comes out and they decide that they're going to Get into this quantitative easing.

00:01:40.000 But like you say, it's not called QE3.

00:01:42.000 The reason why that is is because QE2 had an end date to it and a goal.

00:01:47.000 And this is how much we're going to do.

00:01:48.000 This is open-ended quantitative easing.

00:01:50.000 They said that we're going to continue to print more money and to get the printing presses rolling until they see the economic results that they're looking for.

00:01:58.000 And basically it's just an open-ended thing.

00:02:01.000 Well, we're heading off of a cliff, Alex.

00:02:03.000 And if people aren't smart enough to get out of paper, I mean, I don't care.

00:02:07.000 Find, you know, buy storable foods.

00:02:11.000 I don't care what you buy, but get yourself out of the paper crows. 0.87

00:02:15.000 Ted, you predicted this.

00:02:16.000 Porter Stansbury predicted it.

00:02:18.000 Gerald Solente predicted it.

00:02:20.000 They all predicted it.

00:02:22.000 We all predicted it.

00:02:23.000 And it means curtains.

00:02:24.000 In fact, I have a clip of Ron Paul here.

00:02:27.000 This is Ron Paul last night saying we should be panicking over this.

00:02:32.000 And Ron Paul's never talked like that.

00:02:34.000 This means inflation.

00:02:37.000 And because it's not targeted as a real turning up the printing presses that at least helps the people on one level.

00:02:46.000 This is all pointed at the ultra-rich.

00:02:49.000 It's going to be a double whammy.

00:02:50.000 Here's Ron Paul.

00:02:51.000 The one thing that Bernanke has not achieved that frustrates him, I can tell, is he gets no economic growth.

00:02:57.000 He doesn't do anything with the unemployment numbers.

00:03:00.000 And from my viewpoint, I think the country should have panicked over the fact of what the Fed is saying, that we've lost control.

00:03:07.000 The only thing we have left is massively creating new money out of thin air, which hasn't worked before and it's not going to work this time.

00:03:15.000 You know, Ted, I'm gonna be honest.

00:03:16.000 You know me privately.

00:03:17.000 I'm very calm, very intellectual, very focused until I get on air.

00:03:20.000 And then I turn into the wild man because I get so angry about this stuff.

00:03:25.000 And I don't do it on purpose, but...

00:03:27.000 Intellectually, this has been like a bomb being dropped on us, and I'm so angry that I even sarcastically made fun of the fake UT bomb threat for the first 45 minutes of the show, instead of really talking about the full magnitude of this unlimited QE.

00:03:46.000 But as Ron Paul just said, this means that this is all they've got, and they're going to use it to transfer wealth.

00:03:53.000 You know, Ron Paul says they're trying to fix it.

00:03:56.000 Look, the globalists admit they've engineered this, so it's time to stop saying they don't know what they're doing.

00:04:02.000 They're in control.

00:04:03.000 They run a global government.

00:04:04.000 They know exactly what they're doing.

00:04:06.000 Ted, I'm not knocking Ron Paul here, but he gives them this thing that they don't know what they're doing.

00:04:11.000 I've been saying for over a decade this was coming exactly as it has.

00:04:15.000 George Humphrey's been saying it for 14 years, economist, friend of mine.

00:04:18.000 This is an engineered collapse, Ted.

00:04:20.000 I know, you've been talking about that, and I've alluded to that as well.

00:04:24.000 The very system that's set up creates debt, you know, money from debt is going to just mean more debt as the economy grows, we're going to get further into the hole.

00:04:32.000 And they hold the debt.

00:04:33.000 Listen, can you do a full hour with us and take calls?

00:04:36.000 Yeah, we'll go ahead and do that on the third hour.

00:04:39.000 I'll see you back in 55 minutes, Ted.

00:04:41.000 All right, sounds good.

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00:04:45.000 That's where I get my gold and silver.

00:04:47.000 And again, I bought gold at $260 an ounce.

00:04:50.000 I didn't sell it when it hit $2,000.

00:04:52.000 When it dropped down to $1,650, I didn't sell.

00:04:54.000 Same thing with silver.

00:04:55.000 I bought silver at $5 an ounce.

00:04:57.000 When it got up to $40, $45, $50 an ounce, I didn't sell any of it.

00:05:02.000 When it went down, I didn't sell it because I understand what's happening.

00:05:05.000 The worst drought in 50 years continues, And the first six months of 2012 marks the hottest half year on record, 78%.

00:05:13.000 78% of the Midwest corn belt is in drought conditions.

00:05:16.000 Not only corn, but soy, alfalfa, fruits, vegetables, and wheat are all impacted, raising prices.

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00:08:35.000 Alex Jones.

00:08:38.000 What we are looking at is good and evil, right and wrong.

00:08:48.000 A new world order.

00:08:49.000 A new world order.

00:08:53.000 Well, I tell ya, we are really excited to have this fellow on because last year or so, he has exploded on the scene with Fox 19 television.

00:09:05.000 And he's also worked at other TV stations around the country, and he just absolutely knocks it out of the park on pro-Second Amendment stuff, on covering how Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement were shafted by the Republican establishment.

00:09:19.000 He got an interview with President Obama last week, that we're going to play a clip of later, where he really nails him down on the NDAA and secret arrests of American citizens.

00:09:29.000 By the way, a federal court Two days ago, did a permanent injunction.

00:09:34.000 Of course we had Chris Hedges on, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, who was part of that suit.

00:09:38.000 Now Obama is appealing to the Supreme Court.

00:09:41.000 He also has looked at some of the anomalies of the shootings there in Colorado.

00:09:50.000 So basically, he's like a professional focused, you know, kind of news style Alex Jones, which I love.

00:09:59.000 We need more people that have courage.

00:10:02.000 And I think this guy's going places, let me tell you, because he's got it all.

00:10:06.000 And it is so exciting to see reporters like this.

00:10:10.000 Now I'll say this, I remember Bill O'Reilly on Fox Television 13 years ago interviewing people Like Tony Brown about the Illuminati and the New World Order, and I saw him on Extra, was it hard copy?

00:10:23.000 20-something years ago, we have the tape, we played it, exposing how the government and E. Howard Hunt basically killed JFK.

00:10:32.000 So I hope that Ben Swan, if he ends up on national television, doesn't turn over to the dark side like Bill O'Reilly.

00:10:40.000 But I gotta tell you, it's just great to have him on, and I know there's other people out there.

00:10:45.000 In fact, if you're a radio listener, if you could see him, we bring him up on Skype, you know who I'm talking about.

00:10:49.000 But in a few minutes, we'll play some clips and you'll know who we're talking about.

00:10:54.000 But Ben, it is great to have you on with us here today.

00:10:57.000 Alex, thanks for having me on.

00:10:59.000 I appreciate it.

00:11:00.000 So, tell us about your awakening.

00:11:03.000 I mean, how they allow you in mainstream television to tell the truth.

00:11:09.000 You know, a lot of people are asking that question and how we get to cover the things that we do.

00:11:12.000 And I'm really blessed.

00:11:14.000 I work at a TV station that is not owned by Fox.

00:11:17.000 We're a Fox affiliate.

00:11:18.000 And because of that, a lot of people assume that we're owned by Fox.

00:11:21.000 We're not.

00:11:21.000 We're owned by Raycon Media.

00:11:24.000 And I work for guys who are just interested in getting out factual information.

00:11:28.000 And so we've had a tremendous response.

00:11:30.000 I think the response that we've gotten from people has been just beyond expectation, far above and beyond expectation.

00:11:37.000 And people are really hungry for it.

00:11:38.000 They're hungry for someone who will look beyond, you know, the typical mainstream narrative.

00:11:43.000 And obviously, I mean, this is no surprise to you because clearly, you know, the issue with alternative media is it is growing so fast right now versus what's happening with national media or mainstream media, which is essentially dying right now.

00:11:56.000 And there's a reason for that.

00:11:57.000 I mean, people have already heard all these same types of narratives before, and they're tired of them, and they're moving beyond them.

00:12:04.000 And so we're fortunate to be kind of a bridge, I think, between alternative media and mainstream media.

00:12:09.000 By the way, I should add, they give you leeway because you have won both the Edward R. Murrow Award and two Emmys.

00:12:17.000 That you got, I guess, reporting from Texas.

00:12:21.000 So, I mean, you are quite the journalist, and so you're actually really doing real research.

00:12:26.000 It's just, it's amazing.

00:12:28.000 And again, mainstream media would still be dominant if people like you were on the national scene.

00:12:35.000 How long have you been there in Cincinnati?

00:12:37.000 For about a year and a half, just a little over a year and a half.

00:12:40.000 And about two to three months after I came to this station, we had this idea that we were going to try something different because it was time to kind of rebrand ourselves a little bit.

00:12:50.000 We moved towards a balanced news brand, which again, sounds very much like the Fox brand.

00:12:55.000 And so there are advantages to that, but then there are some disadvantages because there are some people who go into it automatically thinking, well, you're just, you know, little mini Fox News.

00:13:04.000 And Part of the goal of that balanced brand was to do this segment called Reality Check, where we look beyond headlines and actually hold politicians accountable.

00:13:13.000 I'm not sure my bosses realized how accountable we were going to hold them, but so far they've been extremely supportive of it, and we're doing our best to get out there and get to the facts.

00:13:23.000 How did you get the Obama interview?

00:13:25.000 And then give us some of the behind the scenes.

00:13:26.000 We're going to play a clip of it in a moment.

00:13:28.000 But I mean, pretty amazing.

00:13:30.000 Out of a sea of journalists and so-called mainstream media, no one will ever ask him a hard question.

00:13:35.000 We know now, for the first time ever, they're vetting the questions beforehand.

00:13:39.000 They're in the press briefing room.

00:13:42.000 And also, when Obama goes out and gives official press conferences, you obviously got off script there and actually did your job.

00:13:50.000 Well, you know, with the Obama interview, it's pretty simple.

00:13:53.000 I mean, he's been very good about doing these interviews with local media everywhere he goes.

00:13:59.000 And it's actually a very good strategy, because what you wind up having are reporters who will go out and ask a number of questions.

00:14:05.000 Typically, they're locally focused.

00:14:08.000 So in the case of Ohio, they'll ask about the auto industry.

00:14:11.000 They're going to ask about jobs in Ohio, the economy, which is actually doing better than a lot of places in the nation.

00:14:16.000 And so it's really a good place for him to do those interviews.

00:14:18.000 But he does them everywhere.

00:14:20.000 And we were just next on the list.

00:14:22.000 And as we went down the list and they gave us the call and said, you know, send somebody up and it was us.

00:14:27.000 I think one of the advantages that I had was the week before we had done a one-on-one with Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan together.

00:14:35.000 And when we sat down with them, you know, we weren't easy on them.

00:14:38.000 And one of the questions we asked Romney about was how, you know, his campaign, along with the RNC, had worked to decredential and essentially disenfranchise all of these Republican delegates from the state of Maine.

00:14:50.000 And so we were hard on Romney, and I think that they suspected, I don't know this, but I think they suspected we would probably not be as hard on the president, because as you know, Alex, I mean, that's the way media works in this country.

00:15:01.000 You either support one side and then attack the other, or vice versa.

00:15:05.000 So, you know, they allowed us to come in and do the interview.

00:15:09.000 They put no prerequisites on it.

00:15:11.000 Just told us you have five minutes and when your five minutes is up, you know, you're done.

00:15:14.000 And so we went from there.

00:15:17.000 Incredible.

00:15:18.000 We're going to play a clip of that right now.

00:15:20.000 In fact, here it is from the intro of the news piece.

00:15:23.000 Folks can go to Fox19.com and watch the whole thing.

00:15:26.000 And I should add, other Fox affiliates around the country who are on YouTube are lucky to get a few thousand views, even on big stories.

00:15:33.000 Your stories are getting hundreds of thousands and millions of views, again, showing that the future is real reporting, Real questions.

00:15:42.000 There's no debate the NDAA is unconstitutional.

00:15:45.000 The courts have already ruled it.

00:15:46.000 There's no debate.

00:15:46.000 It's super scary right out of Nazi Germany.

00:15:49.000 So media though just acts like, oh, we're going to be, you know, non-biased.

00:15:53.000 Well, I mean, a ham sandwich is a ham sandwich.

00:15:56.000 A draconian piece of legislation is draconian.

00:15:59.000 And that's the end of it.

00:16:01.000 I mean, you have to report the facts.

00:16:02.000 You've done that.

00:16:03.000 And the media can take a cue from this.

00:16:05.000 Here it is.

00:16:07.000 Mr. President, first of all, thank you for taking the time to talk with us.

00:16:10.000 When you signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law, you issued a signing statement at that time that said you would not use that power for indefinite detention on Americans.

00:16:18.000 You understood the concerns that people had.

00:16:20.000 A judge earlier this year issued that the administration couldn't use those powers because it's unconstitutional.

00:16:26.000 So why are the government's own lawyers fighting that judge's order, the injunction in particular?

00:16:31.000 Well, look, the basic principle here is, number one, my first job is to keep the American people safe.

00:16:36.000 Number two, we've got to do it in a way that respects our values and our traditions of rule of law.

00:16:43.000 That's why I banned torture.

00:16:45.000 That's why I've argued that we should actually close Guantanamo.

00:16:49.000 But I've also said that, you know, we've got some bad guys who are down there who we may not be able to try in a traditional court.

00:16:59.000 But I have pledged to try to hurt Americans and so that's something that we inherited that we're dealing with and it's complicated. 0.63

00:17:07.000 On the other hand what I also said was a US citizen can never be subject to that kind of detention.

00:17:13.000 Congress disagreed with me and I didn't want us to not be able to finance our military and pay our soldiers and our troops.

00:17:21.000 So I signed the bill but what I also said was look that I'm never going to use this power and You know, what I would suspect is that the courts are going to agree with us over the long term that that is not something that you can use when it comes to U.S.

00:17:36.000 citizens.

00:17:37.000 Well, let me ask you then also about the so-called presidential kill list that's gotten a lot of attention and this list of folks who have been targeted for assassination.

00:17:44.000 And on that list have been U.S.

00:17:45.000 citizens who have not been afforded trial, including Anwar al-Assad.

00:17:48.000 Let's stop right there.

00:17:49.000 How do you, as president, or any president for that matter... Yeah, we've got Anwar al-Awlaki who dined secretly at the Pentagon.

00:17:56.000 We've got all that going on.

00:17:58.000 And we've got the fact that Obama, it turns out, demanded...

00:18:03.000 That it be added to the bill, the indefinite detention of Americans, and he's got his Justice Department fighting to defend the legislation of the NDAA and his signing of it, and then he just sat there, Ben, and told you that, oh, he knew that the courts would overturn it.

00:18:21.000 I mean, that makes Bill Clinton look like he's honest.

00:18:26.000 Well, you know, look, this story, especially on the kill list, has gotten so much attention nationally and to the point where it was picked up by the Atlantic and Huffington Post and a lot of liberal, even the UK Guardian, liberal publications ran that interview.

00:18:40.000 And it was really interesting to me to go through and to read the comment section.

00:18:44.000 Not so much what they were writing, but the comment section afterward.

00:18:47.000 There were a couple of things that were very interesting there, because I think you alluded to a minute ago, We're not really breaking ground here in terms of those questions.

00:18:53.000 And those questions are not conspiratorial.

00:18:57.000 They're not, you know, these kind of off-in-the-weeds questions.

00:19:00.000 This is stuff that's pretty much out there and it's pretty easy to find.

00:19:03.000 Any reporter can find it.

00:19:05.000 The discussion on the NDAA or the kill list or the situation with Awolaki.

00:19:09.000 The problem is, I believe the problem really stems from the fact that media won't talk about these things because it does require some real effort to dig into it.

00:19:19.000 I got a couple of interviews with reporters who asked me about it.

00:19:23.000 Why would you ask those questions?

00:19:24.000 And how could you even ask that?

00:19:25.000 I mean, how would you even have the background on it?

00:19:27.000 Well, because we've been covering it for a year.

00:19:30.000 We've covered all of these issues.

00:19:31.000 You mentioned about the Obama administration asking for it.

00:19:33.000 We've covered extensively that statement by Carl Levin.

00:19:37.000 I'll say.

00:19:38.000 I'll tell you what, stay there.

00:19:40.000 We're going to come right back after break and continue.

00:19:40.000 Stay there.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, the Senator Carl Levin and others came out and said, hey, don't blame us for this.

00:19:47.000 You asked for this.

00:19:48.000 And then they released the letter.

00:19:49.000 I mean, the whole time Obama says, I don't want it.

00:19:53.000 And then he says, don't worry, I'll veto it.

00:19:55.000 So opposition can't form.

00:19:57.000 And then he gets it passed.

00:20:00.000 And then he says, I won't sign it.

00:20:01.000 But then he does.

00:20:03.000 I mean, this is incredible deception.

00:20:04.000 Stay there, Ben Swan.

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00:24:04.000 All right, we're back live.

00:24:14.000 We've got Ben Swan.

00:24:16.000 He reports for Fox 19 out of Cincinnati, Ohio.

00:24:20.000 And every week makes national news because he covers hardcore issues and does his research.

00:24:26.000 And I think you were alluding before we went to break there, Ben.

00:24:29.000 That the media kind of comes to you and is like, how do you know this?

00:24:33.000 It's almost like you're reading a book.

00:24:33.000 How do you?

00:24:35.000 That's weird.

00:24:36.000 I've had other media ask me questions like, how do you know all this stuff?

00:24:39.000 And I'm like, well, I'm into the news.

00:24:41.000 I'm into the information.

00:24:42.000 So elaborate on that.

00:24:43.000 And then, yeah, continue on the point you were getting into with Obama saying, well, you know, I knew courts would overthrow it when it turns out he was the one, his White House, demanding that the indefinite detention for citizens be in there.

00:24:58.000 You're right.

00:24:59.000 Well, absolutely.

00:24:59.000 And let me just comment on that second part first, because you'll notice in the interview that we did with him, you know, you got five minutes, so there's not a whole lot of time.

00:25:06.000 If you want to fight over one subject, you're not going to get much else in there.

00:25:09.000 And so what we choose to do, because of the segment we do with Reality Check and the way it's built out, you know, it really is perfect for going in, you ask the question, he gives the answer.

00:25:17.000 But we don't leave it at that.

00:25:18.000 And that's what so much national media does now.

00:25:20.000 It's a he said, she said.

00:25:21.000 I ask the question, you give the answer, and we're done.

00:25:24.000 What we do is say, okay, I'll ask the question, you give the answer, and then we're going to go back and fact check your answer.

00:25:28.000 And if you're wrong, we're going to say you were wrong.

00:25:30.000 And if you're not being honest, we're going to say you're not being honest.

00:25:33.000 So what we saw in that case is he never directly addresses the second part of my question, which was, why are your own lawyers Fighting that injunction, which, of course, as you just mentioned, that question is now dated because, as of yesterday, they're now fighting the overall striking down of the indefinite detention clause, and they are appealing that ruling.

00:25:54.000 So if the president is honest when he says, we always knew it would be struck down, we believe that it would go to the courts, we believe the courts would side with us, show me how that's siding with you if you're the one fighting it.

00:26:05.000 Regardless, you know, as you mentioned a minute ago with media, People keep asking, well, how do you know all this stuff?

00:26:11.000 And really, there are two things.

00:26:12.000 Number one is, as you mentioned, you just have to do a little bit of research, and there's so much of this stuff out there.

00:26:18.000 And again, it's because of the Internet.

00:26:19.000 It's because of alternative media.

00:26:21.000 And also, look, listen, I've got brilliant, brilliant people who follow me on Facebook, on Twitter.

00:26:26.000 I mean, the people who call themselves followers or fans, that's the term that Facebook uses, right?

00:26:33.000 I'm fans of theirs.

00:26:35.000 I'm a huge fan of theirs because they're so smart and they have so much information and they just constantly are feeding back into me a lot of information and what's going on in the world and did you know this and did you know this and I feel like they've been helping me to gain an education because there's so much stuff out there and they're just not helping to draw it all in.

00:26:54.000 Man, I tell ya, it is so refreshing, Ben, to see somebody professionally get up there and I told Chris Hedges this last week, because I'm not liberal or conservative, I'm just about truth and justice and freedom because I love my wife and my children and I want a future.

00:26:54.000 Well said.

00:27:12.000 It's refreshing to have somebody like Chris Hedges out there fighting the NDAA with his lawsuit and winning.

00:27:19.000 And it's refreshing to see somebody like you, well-spoken, focused, handsome, getting the word out and reaching millions from one little TV station.

00:27:29.000 Because it gives me hope that there are going to be other people out there that can do a better job than I can.

00:27:35.000 That's what I told Chris Hedges.

00:27:37.000 I mean, we all have our own tools in the fight for liberty.

00:27:40.000 It's just, it's great.

00:27:42.000 Now I'm wondering who else is going to step up?

00:27:44.000 Who else is going to take action?

00:27:46.000 Because all that evil needs to flourish is that good men and women do nothing.

00:27:50.000 And so I salute what you're doing.

00:27:52.000 And the point you make about What your listeners and viewers are saying, following the points they give you.

00:27:58.000 It's incredible data.

00:28:00.000 It's like the comments under the stories you were alluding to.

00:28:03.000 The amazing points they're making.

00:28:05.000 And you see everywhere, whether it's a right-wing site or a left-wing site with those bias, the comments more and more aren't left-wing or right-wing.

00:28:13.000 They're like, hey, we see through this.

00:28:15.000 Right, right.

00:28:16.000 Well, no, that's absolutely true.

00:28:18.000 And what was exciting about, like, for instance, the Huffington Post is a good example.

00:28:21.000 On the HuffPo article, if you read the comments, it was so interesting to hear people who are so used to this left-right paradigm that they couldn't even begin to fathom the idea.

00:28:31.000 So their first complaint is, well, you're from a Fox station, so what you're asking the president about, you know, this kill list can't possibly be true.

00:28:38.000 Secondly, it's the same people in many cases who wanted Bush tried as a war criminal, who want Cheney tried as a war criminal, Who give Obama a pass on his kill list.

00:28:48.000 And so it was really interesting, that dynamic was, they were really struggling through it.

00:28:52.000 And then of course, you know, I posted it on my social networking pages so that people could see it there, go there and comment.

00:28:59.000 And what was exciting to me was, some of our people, and when I say our, I mean, you know, liberty-minded people, start writing on there, and actually were winning some arguments, and I think even winning over some people's minds, saying, look, you have to, Breakthrough and shatter through that paradigm that says it's left versus right, Republican versus Democrat, because it's not.

00:29:17.000 It's liberty versus oppression.

00:29:19.000 That's what the real issue is, and I think people are beginning to see that.

00:29:21.000 Wow, we're gonna go to break in a long 18-minute segment coming up.

00:29:25.000 I want to get into your favorite reports and what you're working on now, and then open the phones up for your fans all over the United States and worldwide that watch your Reality check is as soon as it comes out.

00:29:36.000 I know we do.

00:29:37.000 And I remember seeing you about a year and a half ago.

00:29:38.000 I'm like, man, this is something different.

00:29:40.000 And then the reports just keep coming.

00:29:42.000 And then in hindsight, they're so accurate.

00:29:45.000 A breath of fresh air, folks.

00:29:46.000 A breath of fresh air.

00:29:48.000 We'll be right back.

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00:33:05.000 The answer to 1984 is 1776.

00:33:11.000 You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.

00:33:15.000 Well, he is an award-winning researcher, reporter, TV anchor.

00:33:23.000 He anchors the news there on Fox 19, Fox19.com in Cincinnati, Ohio, working at other stations in Texas.

00:33:31.000 He's won the Edward R. Murrow Award and two Emmys.

00:33:35.000 On his mantle.

00:33:36.000 And he's a patriot.

00:33:38.000 Very exciting.

00:33:38.000 I want to get into some of his other stories here.

00:33:41.000 Ben Swan, local Ohio reporter, grills Obama on Kill List.

00:33:46.000 Here's another one.

00:33:46.000 Reality check.

00:33:48.000 Is the embassy attack in Libya a clear example of blowback?

00:33:51.000 Here's another one.

00:33:53.000 Will the Libya attack shape American foreign policy moving forward?

00:33:57.000 These are the important questions.

00:33:59.000 He goes on.

00:34:00.000 Did RNC script the rule changes?

00:34:03.000 Will that start a civil war in the Republican Party?

00:34:06.000 He questioned the Aurora shooting and the anomalies and people saying other shooters and all the rest of it.

00:34:12.000 I mean this is what...

00:34:13.000 We need to talk about these are the questions.

00:34:15.000 I've got to ask you this not to you know, not to promote my show or anything.

00:34:19.000 I'm just flattered by it.

00:34:20.000 My producer was telling me when he asked have you ever heard of the Alex Jones Show that you indeed have heard of the show and do listen sometimes.

00:34:27.000 Now, I know as a journalist, I'm more of a journalist slash commentator, you know, rabble rouser.

00:34:32.000 I wear a lot of hats around here, but I'm just curious.

00:34:36.000 How did you stumble across my broadcast and how did it affect the different perspectives that you're bringing to your own show?

00:34:44.000 Well, I would say that I knew of you because I'm from Texas and I always say you're down in Texas.

00:34:48.000 So now I'm from further west than you are.

00:34:51.000 But I was aware of you and heard your name. 0.96

00:34:54.000 And then most of it really was very conspiratorial and the guy's a nut job.

00:34:59.000 I didn't really know much about you.

00:35:01.000 And then once I've gotten more into what we've been covering the last few months, I had a lot of people who have said, you know, Alex Jones has covered a lot of these things.

00:35:09.000 And obviously there are people who are weary because, as you said, you're more of a commentator.

00:35:12.000 So in your case, certainly it's more of a, there's more opinion infused into it, more perspective infused into it, which is fine.

00:35:20.000 I mean, clearly you're doing what you do.

00:35:23.000 So I think there's something very important about alternative media, and one of the things that I think is impressive, regardless of how people feel about you one way or the other, because obviously you have many, many fans out there, and you got people who don't feel as strongly about you, or dislike you.

00:35:38.000 You know, and that's not necessarily a bad place to be.

00:35:41.000 Look, I always tell people, I would rather people love me or hate me, but don't feel nothing about me.

00:35:46.000 Because as soon as you're the guy that people feel nothing about, then you're not accomplishing anything.

00:35:50.000 You know, at least challenge the narrative and challenge what people are thinking and challenge their minds.

00:35:56.000 And so I think you do a great job of that, and I take my hat off to you for that.

00:35:59.000 Well I just wanted to get your perspective because I again admire your courage in what you're doing.

00:36:04.000 I mean obviously you're a talented guy and I hope that it doesn't count against you with the power structure that you're telling the truth.

00:36:12.000 Have you gotten any big national offers yet in the last year and a half that you've been knocking it out of the park?

00:36:17.000 No, no.

00:36:18.000 In fact, very little talk from anyone higher up, which is fine with me.

00:36:24.000 You know, one of the things I don't ever want to do is I never want to look beyond where I'm at right now.

00:36:29.000 As I mentioned at the beginning of this, I'm incredibly blessed to be doing what I'm doing and to have the platform that I have.

00:36:35.000 And I will say that in the last year and a half, my view of what You know, national media is, has completely changed, and certainly my view of what it means to be a national voice, because we're sitting here in little old Cincinnati, Ohio, and yet we have a global voice right now, and people in 30 different countries are watching what we do, and it's this little five-minute segment, and, you know, we do it three times a week.

00:36:58.000 Yeah, if I was Glenn Beck launching his new TV network back on television, I would hire somebody like you.

00:37:06.000 I think that'd probably be a perfect fit.

00:37:07.000 I mean, Glenn Beck actually is in competition with me.

00:37:09.000 He thinks I'm not in competition with him.

00:37:11.000 I want to defeat the globalists.

00:37:12.000 There's no future.

00:37:13.000 But the reason I brought up myself was I wanted to get into your view of the world because I know as a journalist you don't want to Put any of those views out because then they could say, oh, well, that's his bias.

00:37:24.000 But come on.

00:37:25.000 I mean, tyranny is tyranny.

00:37:26.000 I mean, it wouldn't be, oh, you have a bias in 1860 because you were against slavery and, oh, that's your opinion.

00:37:33.000 Obviously, it's the right position to be against slavery.

00:37:35.000 I mean, some of these things are so clear.

00:37:37.000 What is your view of QE3?

00:37:39.000 What is your view of the TSA?

00:37:41.000 All of this stuff.

00:37:42.000 I mean, is it that the world's getting crazier that that's brought you closer to, say, my views?

00:37:48.000 Well, here's what I think.

00:37:49.000 You know, you asked about QE3 and we're actually doing a piece on it next week to explain to people exactly how it works and what the design is behind it.

00:37:56.000 My issue is less about, like for instance, Obviously I have very strong opinions, but I think most people do.

00:38:03.000 My issue is more about making sure that I'm not going to necessarily try to sway someone else's opinion.

00:38:08.000 I just want their opinion to be based on fact, not on fairytale.

00:38:12.000 And I think what we see too often in modern media is that we're allowing people to buy into fairytales.

00:38:18.000 We don't challenge them.

00:38:19.000 Jon Stewart does a hilarious bit making fun of the way that CNN does their whole, we'll leave it there, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but they have this phrase, we'll leave it there.

00:38:27.000 And he made fun of that one time.

00:38:29.000 And the fact that they say we'll leave it there on major issues that shouldn't be left there because you're not allowing people to go through this process of critical thinking and to say, well, what does this actually mean for my life?

00:38:39.000 So when Ben Bernanke announces, yeah, we're going to go ahead and move on with QE3 and it'll help the economy.

00:38:45.000 I would be willing to bet you that only one-tenth of the population, if even that, has any clue as to what he's talking about.

00:38:52.000 Has any clue at all.

00:38:53.000 Maybe even, maybe even, you know, one percent of the population really understands.

00:38:57.000 No, no, I agree with you because I've talked to so many bankers, business people, even folks that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:39:04.000 They don't, who are in finance, they don't understand what this means.

00:39:08.000 Right.

00:39:08.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:39:09.000 Absolutely.

00:39:10.000 Because there are so many different components to it.

00:39:12.000 You know, you mentioned that we've been talking a lot about the issue in Libya, what's going on over there right now.

00:39:17.000 And one of the reasons we're able to do that is because if you go all the way back to when we first started doing these, one of the very first reality check segments we ever put together was about the fact that the U.S.

00:39:28.000 was getting involved in Libya And it didn't make sense as to why we were doing it.

00:39:31.000 The fact that we were involving ourselves without a declaration of war.

00:39:35.000 And now we're starting to see kind of the ramifications of that foreign policy.

00:39:38.000 And what's it really about?

00:39:39.000 One of the things we're going to move into in the next few weeks, and I think people will be pretty interested in it, is we're going to start taking a look at the situation with the petrodollar and what China's doing right now in terms of these refineries they're attempting to build in Saudi Arabia and in Egypt.

00:39:55.000 And ultimately what it's going to mean if the petrodollar disappears and there's a new currency in which oil was bought and traded.

00:40:01.000 If that happens, it means a change in the way of life for every American that people don't even see coming because nobody's talking about it in national media.

00:40:09.000 Alternative media, you guys are talking about it.

00:40:11.000 Thank you, Mr. Edward R. Murrow.

00:40:13.000 Absolutely on target, right there.

00:40:17.000 That is so exciting to hear someone in mainstream news understand that.

00:40:21.000 And the power structure knows this, but it's at a very high technocratic level.

00:40:26.000 They're engineering this while moving their assets to China and other areas ahead of this seismic shift to bring in this global governance, this world government run by the private banks.

00:40:38.000 How do I know that?

00:40:38.000 They wrote about it 30 years ago.

00:40:40.000 They wrote about it 10 years ago.

00:40:41.000 They now brag about it here and there.

00:40:44.000 So more and more, the mainstream media realizes their passe.

00:40:47.000 Have you seen the CNBC clip where they admit, hey, we're all slaves to global government run by bankers?

00:40:53.000 No, I haven't seen that one.

00:40:55.000 Guys, can we cue that up, please, the CNBC clip?

00:40:58.000 Because in more and more publications, they are admitting it, but it's more in establishment publications or in trade publications, they're admitting where we're going.

00:41:07.000 But this isn't just quantitative easing.

00:41:10.000 It's also been, and I want your take on this, going directly to the megabanks themselves as a kind of bailout.

00:41:17.000 I mean, the $40 billion a month, half of the $80 billion goes to buy These derivatives, these mortgage derivatives, I mean, that isn't the taxpayer's job to pay for that.

00:41:27.000 No, absolutely not.

00:41:29.000 And they're doing exactly what you said.

00:41:30.000 What they're essentially doing is saying, look, we're going to go in and we're going to buy all these mortgage-backed securities and derivatives.

00:41:36.000 And in doing so, they are creating a system where they're socializing the profit, or excuse me, they're privatizing the profit, in that the banks are the ones who will profit from it.

00:41:46.000 But then they're socializing the risk of it.

00:41:49.000 They're buying up all these risky things with our dollars, then turning around and saying, well, here are the profits for that.

00:41:54.000 We don't share in the profits of it.

00:41:56.000 The other issue is that this is indefinite, and people may not realize this, but when you move into quantitative easing that has no end to it, it's simply indefinite, and you're going to buy all this up.

00:42:06.000 If you have a 401k, if you have a mutual fund that you're investing into for your retirement, all of those very safe ones that traditionally have done well, those are all going to be bought up by the Fed.

00:42:21.000 The Fed's going to have control of that.

00:42:22.000 The government will control all of those safe bets, which means if you have money you need to put aside for your own retirement, they're actually going to force you to put it into riskier stocks.

00:42:32.000 There are no safe bets because they're going to buy up all the ones that are safe.

00:42:35.000 So it really hurts everyone in this process.

00:42:38.000 It doesn't just help the banks, but it actually puts, you know, the average investor in a position where everything they're investing into for their future that traditionally has been very safe is now going to be very risky.

00:42:48.000 They infect the whole system, then hold you hostage and say, we're too big to fail, and then basically transfer all the wealth to themselves while destroying your wealth.

00:42:59.000 Then they're the last group standing, and they're able to buy everything up for pennies on the dollar.

00:43:03.000 That is the economic model of conquest that we're now facing as a society.

00:43:09.000 And as you just stated, when they announce unlimited QE3, that leads one place.

00:43:15.000 It leads to Weimar Republic, Germany type inflation.

00:43:18.000 It leads to Zimbabwe style inflation.

00:43:23.000 That is the road that they've now put us on.

00:43:26.000 And like you said, it's just a minor footnote.

00:43:29.000 All QE3.

00:43:31.000 No connection to gold exploding and other commodities like gasoline, oil, spiking.

00:43:38.000 And this is just with the announcement.

00:43:41.000 And here are the insiders now, not doing QE1, QE2, QE3, unlimited, open-ended QE3.

00:43:48.000 Now they get to know, the insiders, when they're going to be doing it with these little adjustments.

00:43:54.000 The insider trading ramifications are stratospheric.

00:43:58.000 What's interesting, too, is even the terms that are used, QE1, QE2, QE3, it sounds like it is the third time that the Fed has gone through this process in order to, as most people would call it, stimulate the economy.

00:44:11.000 The problem is QE1, QE2, and QE3 are not the same thing at all.

00:44:15.000 They were completely different programs that were designed in order to affect the markets and affect the system.

00:44:21.000 So QE3 is not round three.

00:44:24.000 And that's what most people think that it is.

00:44:25.000 It's an entirely different setup.

00:44:27.000 Again, as you mentioned, buying up all of these mortgage-backed derivatives.

00:44:32.000 And as a result of that, I think most people have no idea.

00:44:34.000 They think, I think they think QE3, more stimulus, that means the government's going to put more money into the system.

00:44:41.000 That's good for everyone.

00:44:43.000 And again, as you mentioned too, most financial channels and most financial reporters aren't even talking about it in any term that people can understand.

00:44:51.000 But what you describe right now about shifting all of this burden away from the banks themselves, putting the risk onto the taxpayer, buying up the safe bets, shifting their own money, this is all stuff that while when you say it, a lot of people would say, oh, it's Alex Jones, it's all conspiratorial.

00:45:09.000 It's not a conspiracy at all in terms of being hidden.

00:45:12.000 It's a conspiracy that's happening right out in the open, and anyone can find this information.

00:45:16.000 They're just not bothering to do so.

00:45:18.000 They're too busy worrying about the fact that Jersey Shore is off at the end of the season.

00:45:22.000 Well, exactly, and a lot of times I get up here and rant and rave because I'm genuinely upset.

00:45:27.000 That tends to get people out of their trance to realize something's going on, and I kind of make it safe to talk about these things, and then others can start to cover it.

00:45:35.000 So I think everybody, you know, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

00:45:38.000 That's why I'm excited to see you and others out there, you know, exposing this in a really focused news style, because that will reach people out there who've kind of heard about this, but think it's a conspiracy theory.

00:45:50.000 And there you are with a whole news team behind you, able to lay all this out.

00:45:53.000 And people can go again to Fox19.com to find all your reports.

00:45:58.000 They're also on YouTube.

00:45:59.000 Before we go to some phone calls here and talk about some of the other reports you're working on right now, Ben Swan.

00:46:08.000 I wanted to ask you the question about your social media and things.

00:46:15.000 Some of your own private websites or things outside of the Fox side.

00:46:18.000 If folks want to follow some of the things you're talking about off air.

00:46:21.000 Yeah, you can go over to Facebook.

00:46:23.000 We have a pretty strong Facebook page.

00:46:25.000 It's facebook.com slash Ben Swan Reality Check.

00:46:28.000 That's the easiest way to find it.

00:46:30.000 And Swan is two N's. 1.00

00:46:32.000 So if you're not familiar with me, then you've got to put in B-E-N-S-W-A-N-N. 0.99

00:46:37.000 Reality check.

00:46:38.000 And you can follow us on Twitter as well, and it's at Fox19VinSwan.

00:46:42.000 So we're doing work on both of those sites.

00:46:44.000 We don't really have much going on with Google Plus yet, but we're working on creating some circles there, create more discussion.

00:46:49.000 Again, because as I mentioned, I mean, I'm a huge fan of the people who follow me, and I just feel like those are the folks, so many of them are so smart and savvy, and they know what's going on.

00:47:00.000 They're awake is the term I would use for them.

00:47:02.000 And when you get around people who are awake, it energizes you and Yeah, that's what's happened.

00:47:07.000 Well, I've seen your sites.

00:47:08.000 It's basically, it's liberty lovers.

00:47:11.000 It's my listeners, it's your listeners, it's people that understand what's happening and who are breaking down the left-right paradigm and saying, hey, it's about liberty.

00:47:18.000 Now, the Democrats just so happen to be, you know, absolute tyrants.

00:47:23.000 The Republicans, same ball of wax.

00:47:26.000 I tend to agree with Republicans more because on the surface they say they're pro-gun and things like that.

00:47:30.000 But again, at the very top, you see with somebody like Obama and Romney, Past the rhetoric, there's almost no difference.

00:47:37.000 What's your take on that?

00:47:38.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:47:39.000 I think you have to strain to find a real substantive difference between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

00:47:47.000 And that's one reason why the two of them, I think, are going to really struggle when you get into this debate.

00:47:52.000 The conventions were fascinating for folks who were kind of political watchers.

00:47:56.000 The conventions were really interesting because the Republicans did such a poor job of shaping their message.

00:48:01.000 Their message really wasn't about what they're going to change in the future.

00:48:05.000 It was about how Obama had failed and he hadn't done enough and they really pushed for this we built it kind of idea because they were using a play on words.

00:48:12.000 But there really wasn't a vision for what they would do differently.

00:48:15.000 The Democratic Convention, the same way, there was no real vision for the future.

00:48:19.000 It was Well, if we go with that guy, we're not going to like it.

00:48:22.000 And so there was very little vision casting in either convention, which was kind of fascinating to me.

00:48:27.000 And part of the reason I think for that is because if you really break down the direction that Governor Romney wants to take the country and the direction President Obama does, There are some differences in terms of how they want to deal with taxation, how they want to deal certainly with people who are in higher income brackets and taxation.

00:48:43.000 But if we're talking about, for instance, foreign policy, tell me one thing Governor Romney will do differently than what President Obama did.

00:48:50.000 Or TSA, or NSA, or the police state, or any of these things that really matter.

00:48:56.000 It's like MapQuest plotting two different ways to go to the same destination.

00:49:03.000 I mean, there's some changes in the route, but it goes the same place.

00:49:06.000 Absolutely.

00:49:07.000 Because ultimately, their view, and even when we talk about, you know, you asked me about some of my own personal views.

00:49:13.000 Look, I'm a journalist.

00:49:14.000 I'm a constitutionalist.

00:49:16.000 My personal view is that the Constitution, rule of law, is what our founders and framers designed.

00:49:21.000 They knew that we should not be a democracy.

00:49:24.000 People say all the time we're a democracy.

00:49:26.000 It's one of my biggest pet peeves.

00:49:27.000 We're not a democracy.

00:49:28.000 We're a republic.

00:49:29.000 We're a republic, absolutely.

00:49:30.000 And the difference is vast.

00:49:32.000 The republic is rule of law.

00:49:34.000 Democracy is rule of mob.

00:49:36.000 And so all you need is a plus one in a democracy in order to push through any crazy laws or rules.

00:49:42.000 And rob the other 49%. 0.98

00:49:43.000 It's two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

00:49:45.000 But again, that's terrorist talk according to Homeland Security.

00:49:49.000 Have you done a report yet on MIAC and Homeland Security reports saying veterans and gun owners are the terrorists?

00:49:54.000 You know what, some people have been sending me some of that information and we are looking at doing something on that.

00:49:57.000 Alright, we're going to break. 0.84

00:49:59.000 If you believe in the Constitution, you're a terrorist. 0.73

00:50:02.000 Exactly, we're going to break.

00:50:03.000 As usual, I've hogged the guests.

00:50:05.000 We've got loaded phone lines for you, but let me just add this here.

00:50:08.000 DrugsReport.com, it's also at InfoWars.com.

00:50:11.000 Our story about the nuclear reactor also evacuated at the J.J.

00:50:16.000 Pickles Center here in Austin, Texas.

00:50:18.000 It's top red-linked at the number one website in the world, DrudgeReport.com.

00:50:22.000 You can go there, and I'm glad that our servers are still staying up.

00:50:26.000 That'll probably send us about three million readers.

00:50:28.000 Or is the site still up, InfoWars.com?

00:50:31.000 Top linked there.

00:50:32.000 And they're now evacuating multiple campuses, not just the University of Texas, but up in North Dakota as well.

00:50:38.000 Over the, someone's basically saying they're Al-Qaeda, saying all these bombs are about to go off.

00:50:44.000 We've got reporters still downtown.

00:50:46.000 Well, now they've gone to the reactors.

00:50:48.000 They'll be popping in during the next hour a little bit when we cover QE3 or unlimited QE, what that means, and so much more.

00:50:56.000 But straight ahead, final segment.

00:50:58.000 Maybe I'll twist his arm for five more minutes.

00:51:00.000 Into the next hour, we can take six or seven calls with Ben Swan from Fox19.com.

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00:54:03.000 I think that right now the question is, do we all work for central bankers?

00:54:24.000 That's what I want to address to our guest tonight.

00:54:26.000 Is this global governance at last?

00:54:29.000 Is it one world, the central bankers in charge?

00:54:31.000 Jim Iorio, you say we've got some downside here, a correction in the markets.

00:54:36.000 Fine.

00:54:37.000 But aren't we all just living and dying for what the central banks do?

00:54:40.000 Aren't we all just counting on the fact that there's a Bernanke pot And they go on for five minutes to all agree we're run by global government, run by banks.

00:54:57.000 Exactly what I said 17 years ago was gonna happen.

00:54:59.000 Because I was reading the Trilateral Commission public documents.

00:55:03.000 But the issue here is Bernanke said a year ago there'd be no QE3.

00:55:07.000 Well, now it's just unlimited QE.

00:55:09.000 And they wanted us to beg for it first, because if they don't do it, we're in trouble.

00:55:13.000 But if they do, we're in trouble because they engineered this.

00:55:16.000 Ben Swine, he's one of the anchors over there, an investigative reporter at Fox 19 in Cincinnati, now has a national, international following via YouTube and their site.

00:55:26.000 We're taking phone calls, got a lot of fans.

00:55:29.000 Big fan of yours, Mr. Swan, and you as well, Mr. Jones.

00:55:31.000 I wanted to bring you up to pace on a few things that I found out.

00:55:35.000 Brian in Colorado, you're on the air with our guest.

00:55:38.000 Go ahead.

00:55:38.000 Big fan of yours, Mr. Swan, and you as well, Mr. Jones.

00:55:42.000 I wanted to bring you up to taste on a few things that I found out.

00:55:47.000 I live in Colorado, and it's very frightening to have the ATF state that they're going to take people's gun rights that smoke marijuana or use marijuana because a lot of people in Colorado have guns, and a lot of people in Colorado smoke marijuana.

00:56:02.000 But the thing I really wanted to point out to you, gentlemen, is that through my research, I found that marijuana oil cures cancer.

00:56:09.000 Well, it's certainly been shown to be a treatment.

00:56:12.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:56:13.000 This is how crazy the news is.

00:56:14.000 That broke after I was off air yesterday.

00:56:17.000 We carried it on the nightly news.

00:56:18.000 I read the ruling from two days ago.

00:56:21.000 It's true.

00:56:21.000 They're saying alcohol abuse, marijuana use, any drug, any substance abuse, that they say, no judge, no jury, they're taking your guns.

00:56:30.000 Ben Swan, what do you make of that?

00:56:33.000 I haven't heard it.

00:56:34.000 So I really can't comment on it.

00:56:37.000 I'd love to see it though.

00:56:41.000 It's already in Featured News Archive.

00:56:43.000 Just put it up on screen for folks that are watching and listening.

00:56:46.000 You can find it at InfoWars.com.

00:56:48.000 I have it reposted to the front page.

00:56:50.000 Thank you, Brian.

00:56:51.000 Let's go to Luke in South Korea.

00:56:55.000 You're on the air with Mr. Swan.

00:56:56.000 Go ahead.

00:56:57.000 Hi there, how are you?

00:56:58.000 I've seen from my own experience with mainstream media that certain stories the government want to have suppressed never make it to air.

00:57:07.000 And in England they have the DA system, Defence Advisory.

00:57:11.000 They've still got the legacy of that in Australia and they're trying to re-enact it as a voluntary system.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, it's a D notice, absolutely.

00:57:17.000 And they're trying to get that here.

00:57:19.000 What's your question for Mr. Swan?

00:57:21.000 Well, right, with the absence of a D-Notice, how does the government get the issues they want suppressed, suppressed?

00:57:28.000 They have talking points.

00:57:30.000 We know it's happening.

00:57:31.000 Well, I mean, I know because I've talked to National, they have talked, well, you saw two weeks ago where the New York Times is in contact with the CIA and killing stories for them.

00:57:42.000 Ben, your take on that?

00:57:43.000 Absolutely.

00:57:44.000 I think there are definitely talking points to go out.

00:57:46.000 And I think within local media, the issue isn't so much talking points as it is groupthink.

00:57:51.000 If, you know, the sister parent station or if the networks aren't talking about it, then it must not be news.

00:57:57.000 And so it's groupthink on the lower level, bigger level, it's talking points.

00:58:00.000 Exactly.

00:58:01.000 At the top of the pyramid, talking points are given, White House meetings, you name it, book deals, all of it, because I've been offered it.

00:58:08.000 And then all the little parrots think, oh, those are the stars.

00:58:11.000 If I copy what they say, I'll rise up.

00:58:14.000 When in truth, even if you were a cynical mercenary, being different is what will make you rise up in a stagnant system.

00:58:21.000 Why not?

00:58:22.000 Alright, I hope that answers your question from South Korea.

00:58:25.000 We're gonna race back, and we're gonna go to Angel, and then we're gonna go to Eric.

00:58:30.000 At least those, maybe some more.

00:58:32.000 Or Ben Swan, Fox 19 reporter.

00:58:35.000 But like he said, now from that city, he's worldwide.

00:58:39.000 That's why the dinosaur media is in so much trouble.

00:58:41.000 That's why the info war is exploding.

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01:00:02.000 Big Brother.

01:00:09.000 Mainstream media.

01:00:11.000 Government cover-ups.

01:00:13.000 You want answers?

01:00:15.000 Well, so does he.

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01:00:21.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:27.000 Alright, let's go to an InfraGard story. 0.98

01:00:31.000 With Chris in Florida, an InfraGard just hung up. 1.00

01:00:33.000 I'm trying to get to your calls.

01:00:35.000 Uh, Chris in Florida, you've got a InfraGard, uh, story. 0.96

01:00:42.000 Hey, my dad's calling me up right now.

01:00:44.000 Uh, hold on one second.

01:00:46.000 Hey, hey, what's going on?

01:00:47.000 I'm here on the radio.

01:00:51.000 Yeah, okay, you wanna come on?

01:00:53.000 I guess you're on your lunch break?

01:00:55.000 Well, no, no, no, no.

01:00:57.000 Call our internal number.

01:00:58.000 That's a psy-op.

01:00:59.000 Then he'll say that isn't your dad.

01:01:01.000 And then he'll say, listen, I can tell that guy's following a script.

01:01:06.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:01:08.000 Since you called in now, this is exciting.

01:01:09.000 I'm going to go to my InfraGard guy. 0.99

01:01:11.000 Hey, guys, will you come get my phone and give my dad the hotline number, please?

01:01:15.000 That's hilarious.

01:01:16.000 You don't have to talk about the patient itself.

01:01:18.000 Just, you know, just tell me.

01:01:20.000 Well, you know what to do.

01:01:21.000 Here it is.

01:01:24.000 I know it was a year and a half ago, Dad.

01:01:25.000 Just hold on.

01:01:26.000 Dad, that's a psy-op.

01:01:27.000 They do that to change the subject and imply we're dishonest.

01:01:31.000 Just hold on.

01:01:31.000 Just tell the story.

01:01:32.000 Here it is.

01:01:33.000 Give him the hotline or call him.

01:01:35.000 Just call that number and put him on right now.

01:01:37.000 Anyways, getting back to what I was saying earlier, InfraGard's admitted.

01:01:42.000 Clergy Response has admitted.

01:01:43.000 Chris in Florida, finish your InfraGard story.

01:01:45.000 Go ahead.

01:01:47.000 Well, Alex, a few years ago I talked about InfraGard to a neighbor who claimed to have worked for Raytheon and the FBI, and then he proudly showed me his InfraGard card.

01:01:57.000 He turned out to be a busybody, a stalker, not just towards myself, but another neighbor's.

01:02:02.000 And about keeping Tom as well, he liked to call... Yeah, I mean, you heard me profile him, and that's exactly what my dad was saying.

01:02:09.000 He said he's run into several of these now.

01:02:11.000 Well, I'm not supposed to get into it all, but the point is, go ahead.

01:02:16.000 He also likes to call police with false accusations that apparently he felt powerful by his InfraGard card.

01:02:22.000 Maybe everyone should carry one, sort of as a KMA.

01:02:25.000 You know, as Aaron Russo's talking about Nicholas Rockefeller's thing, that he'll have a KMA chip.

01:02:32.000 Kiss my you-know-what chip.

01:02:33.000 Unfortunately, he died of emphysema due to his irresistible smoking habit.

01:02:39.000 If I could bring up another issue that I called about.

01:02:42.000 There's a locally based radio talk network, radio network, that carries your show and talk network here in the Tampa Bay area on 1340 AM and 1350 AM and 880 AM on Little Rock, Arkansas.

01:02:54.000 That's a 50,000 watt transmitter who now accepts the local new community currency called Clearwater Hours.

01:03:01.000 I want to get the owner of that system on.

01:03:03.000 I know they got us on a bunch of great affiliates.

01:03:05.000 God bless them.

01:03:06.000 Spread the word.

01:03:07.000 Here is my dad, David Jones.

01:03:08.000 Now, that was probably InfraGard calling in. 0.99

01:03:11.000 Because you notice, they wouldn't admit InfraGard or any of it exists.

01:03:14.000 It was, I want to hear your dad.

01:03:15.000 It isn't true.

01:03:16.000 As if we don't know this country's going to hell in a handbasket.

01:03:19.000 And they admit the veterans are the number one enemy.

01:03:22.000 And they got spy networks.

01:03:24.000 That's all admitted.

01:03:25.000 They're harassing veterans, you name it, but oh, it doesn't exist.

01:03:29.000 Dad, I know you don't, you didn't want to tell me the whole story because it's patient, you know, doctor privilege, but you're allowed to say as a dentist, what happened?

01:03:36.000 Is it true that this person has been your patient for a very long time, wanted to hire you to be a minion, and then you went and talked to other dentists and found out they'd been visited by other groups?

01:03:46.000 Let me explain.

01:03:47.000 I actually was doing some consulting in Dallas at the time and I was passing through Waco and I heard a local police liaison in Waco talking about how people could volunteer and it could be a career path toward really good employment for kids in high school and people in their neighborhoods and all different levels and it was literally about becoming

01:04:12.000 a volunteer part of an intelligence gathering, keep your neighborhood safe volunteer type program.

01:04:19.000 And it was going on, and it was real interesting to me because about that same time, someone had pre-approached Dr. King in his neighborhood about being involved in doing that sort of thing.

01:04:32.000 In other words, see something, say something, keep your neighborhood safe.

01:04:34.000 Tell us what happened to you.

01:04:36.000 I basically was just approached by a patient that was involved in law enforcement that had said that they would like for me to be involved in basically just being aware of what was going on and to talk to other doctors and things in our organization that we were in a good position to...

01:04:59.000 Hey, now that we've started this, we've got Tom Woods coming on, We'll come back to you.

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01:08:27.000 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I've been taking calls for two hours, and I'm doing a lot better than I normally do, and it's been pretty powerful hearing whistleblowers about InfraGard spying on people and things.

01:08:38.000 And we opened up our internal phone lines as well and never got to that phone bank.

01:08:43.000 Scott, Chuck, Lyon, Hart, Blake, I'm going to get to you guys with Tom Woods, because you've been patient.

01:08:49.000 I know we've got loaded phone lines over here.

01:08:49.000 If not, you can hang up.

01:08:52.000 We've got whistleblowers on InfraGard pouring in.

01:08:56.000 This is crazy.

01:08:57.000 I mean, this subject is big.

01:08:59.000 Now, InfraGard, guys, type it into Google and show people or startpage.com.

01:09:04.000 Just type in InfraGard.

01:09:05.000 The FBI admits they have it.

01:09:06.000 They have clergy response teams.

01:09:08.000 We covered it when it was still secret.

01:09:11.000 And it's getting preachers to spy on their flocks and try to influence them to accept gun confiscation, you name it.

01:09:16.000 I've played newscasts where they admit it.

01:09:20.000 And then this caller calls in and says, I disagree.

01:09:25.000 You know, I want to hear your dad say that he got approached to be part of the See Something Say Something and invited to meetings and things.

01:09:33.000 And then my dad talked to other dentists and found out they've been visited by other groups at home.

01:09:37.000 And this is on record. 1.00

01:09:38.000 They count on you being ignorant. 0.99

01:09:40.000 They'll have these community FBI meetings. 0.99

01:09:42.000 You go to them.

01:09:44.000 It's not about Al Qaeda.

01:09:45.000 It's about the veteran next door.

01:09:46.000 That's in the news.

01:09:48.000 So my point is, this was a year and a half ago now, my dad ended up calling into the back line and getting on.

01:09:54.000 Is that my dad suddenly heard ads on the radio about it.

01:09:58.000 Dentist he knew what happened to and then it happened to him.

01:10:00.000 He can't tell the whole story because of patient-doctor privilege.

01:10:05.000 My dad's a dentist.

01:10:06.000 But dad, I gotta go to our guest here and I appreciate you listening to the show.

01:10:10.000 I didn't know you were listening when the guy called in.

01:10:12.000 So just briefly...

01:10:14.000 The guy was implying, and I was making this up, the TSA isn't sticking their hands down our pants either.

01:10:20.000 Break down your concern and what went on without violating the, in fact, just tell the stories of the other doctors.

01:10:28.000 Getting visited at home, that's better.

01:10:30.000 Basically, it was all a cumulative effect from having heard things on the radio mentioning it to people, and then just out of the blue, someone who'd been a patient for a long time, there was a fairly senior person involved in the administration and law enforcement had said, we're organizing community-level there was a fairly senior person involved in the administration and law enforcement had said, we're organizing community-level things whereby people are volunteering to go out

01:10:56.000 And what we've found that teachers and doctors and certain other people, bankers, have key positions where they can see and understand things that are going on that we need to know.

01:11:07.000 I could use your help on an administrative level.

01:11:11.000 We're creating career paths for a lot of people at all different ages.

01:11:15.000 Young people, people in high school, people in college, and people that are senior people in their professions.

01:11:23.000 Right now it's an organizational state, but it could develop into something much more involved.

01:11:29.000 And now dad, I think you're conflating several stories here because I know you don't listen all the time, but there was also the other individual, and I know you can't, that also came and flashed his little badge and things and was talking about something else.

01:11:46.000 Well, I've had several people approach me over time.

01:11:49.000 I didn't know which incident you were talking about.

01:11:51.000 This was about the time after I'd gone through Waco and picked up a very similar community program.

01:11:59.000 Yeah, well, there was one guy who wanted you to watch your patience as well.

01:12:03.000 Well, no, this was the whole thing.

01:12:04.000 That's the whole point.

01:12:07.000 You're in a situation of interviewing people and talking to people and being in positions of trust and things like that.

01:12:12.000 But I think more than anything, they were interested in me.

01:12:15.000 basically doing some monitoring of charting issues and things on a general basis, but it didn't get so detailed because I was not interested in it.

01:12:27.000 But then you found out that other dentists were getting visits at home.

01:12:32.000 Yes.

01:12:33.000 I found out that a very high percentage of them were.

01:12:35.000 Okay, so there you go.

01:12:37.000 All right, Dad, thank you so much.

01:12:39.000 Just briefly, while you're here and Tom Woods is patiently holding best-selling author, I keep meaning to get you on air, because I only promote things.

01:12:46.000 You know, I wasn't promoting the Longevity insurance cards because I just wasn't sure about them, hadn't used them.

01:12:51.000 I've now gotten a few prescriptions the last year.

01:12:53.000 It took that long to actually get a few prescriptions.

01:12:55.000 I don't get them a lot, as you know.

01:12:57.000 Uh, the nasal spray and then some stuff for my kids.

01:13:00.000 We saved over 30% each time with them.

01:13:03.000 They're totally free.

01:13:04.000 You can just put in basically whatever name you want, and it accesses the discount.

01:13:08.000 You, though, have given out thousands of these now.

01:13:10.000 You know, you manage 14 dental offices.

01:13:12.000 What type of responses with the InfoWarsRX since the guy called in and said we were making this up?

01:13:18.000 Now that we have you on air about this, let's do a evil capitalism plug. 0.80

01:13:21.000 I will just say that I have even started having patients that have insurance use them.

01:13:26.000 For example, I have a patient who uses a prescription for, let's just say, creating younger skin.

01:13:34.000 It's basically retinoic acid and she was able to get the meds cheaper using the discount card than it would be on her insurance.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, so again... That was an expensive item.

01:13:46.000 Again, you've been now the last six months using it.

01:13:49.000 I was never going to promote it because I couldn't understand it.

01:13:51.000 It sounded too good to be true.

01:13:52.000 And then you were telling me, hey, this is what's really hot because you, you know, bought a bunch of... Well, it's a great value.

01:13:58.000 I just basically give them away for free and people, anybody, and at first I was saying use this if you don't have insurance, but people were telling me In fact, I heard one of your pharmacy people online talking about how sometimes that you can buy stuff generic cheaper without using insurance than you do with it because the volume pricing is so low if you're buying a, say, three months, six months, or a year supply rather than paying the copay.

01:14:23.000 But this doesn't even access, you know, generic stuff or bolt buying.

01:14:27.000 This is across the board.

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01:14:31.000 Dad, thank you for joining us.

01:14:32.000 Alrighty.

01:14:33.000 Have a great day.

01:14:33.000 There he goes.

01:14:34.000 Okay, punk, good try calling in and implying that isn't going on. 0.97

01:14:37.000 Counting on listeners being ignorant and not knowing InfraGard is real. 0.98

01:14:41.000 There you go. 0.53

01:14:43.000 Okay, now I apologize to our guest.

01:14:45.000 We are going to shift gears now.

01:14:47.000 Joining us via video Skype, if you're a PrisonPlanet.tv viewer, or if you're listening on XM 166 out there, Thomas E. Woods Jr.

01:14:56.000 is a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mies Institute and creator of the Tom Woods Liberty Classroom.

01:15:01.000 Oh, that sounds evil right there.

01:15:02.000 He'd probably have InfraGard watch him. 0.93

01:15:04.000 He holds a bachelor's degree in history from Harvard and his master's And it just goes on, and a Ph.D.

01:15:11.000 from Columbia University.

01:15:12.000 He is the author of 11 books, most recently Roll Back, Repealing Big Government Before the Coming Financial Collapse, Nullification, How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century.

01:15:21.000 Woods has been edited and written, the introduction to five additional books, and I just always enjoy hearing him when he's a guest on the radio or on TV.

01:15:32.000 TomWoods.com.

01:15:34.000 And thank you for holding the last five minutes while my dad was on.

01:15:38.000 What is your take, briefly, of the Stasi state, the Infra Guard, the clergy response teams, Homeland Security saying veterans are the number one terror threat?

01:15:47.000 Well, it's really something.

01:15:48.000 I mean, of course, we had the case of somebody being incarcerated because of some Facebook posts, for heaven's sake.

01:15:54.000 And, I mean, it seems to me we cannot hit this hard enough.

01:15:58.000 Now, on the other hand, there are two things that I note about all this.

01:16:01.000 On the one hand, technology is being exploited by the bad guys to go after the rest of us.

01:16:07.000 But on the other hand, there are ways in which we can use technology to fight back against them.

01:16:11.000 And one silver lining, as we're watching this sort of police state develop, Is that today, you know, people have got smartphones and they can record these incidents with the police very easily and discreetly.

01:16:24.000 And before you know it, they're all over YouTube and things that the authorities might have been able to get away with in the past, suddenly they're on the defensive.

01:16:32.000 So I'm still cautiously optimistic.

01:16:34.000 We've still got some weapons in our arsenal here.

01:16:38.000 But now the feds want to be able to hit a code citywide and kill all the cameras on the iPhones and Droids.

01:16:43.000 Did you see that?

01:16:45.000 I didn't see that.

01:16:46.000 I'm hopeful that there's got to be some, some entrepreneur somewhere who figures out a way around that in the same way that, you know, they try to, they try to do the same thing to radar detectors, and there are always ways around it.

01:16:58.000 My hope is that a free people that actually cares about his freedom will always be one step ahead.

01:17:03.000 Well, I agree with you, but why are we letting the government say we're going to hit a button and broadcast a code to turn your camera off without a warrant, without anything controlling your property?

01:17:12.000 It's incredible.

01:17:13.000 That's true.

01:17:14.000 Of course, we're not letting them.

01:17:15.000 They're doing it regardless of how we feel.

01:17:17.000 And it just goes to show how frustrating it is.

01:17:20.000 I'm sure you feel the same way.

01:17:22.000 When I see people get really passionate in a presidential election year for a candidate other than Ron Paul, I feel like you just haven't woken up yet.

01:17:31.000 There obviously isn't going to be a change between Romney and Obama, and the fact that people are going to see this Dinesh D'Souza movie and walking out saying, I gotta clamp down, I gotta do everything I can to get Establishment Candidate A out so I can replace him with Establishment Candidate B. If only these people's efforts were directed in the right place, we might be getting somewhere.

01:17:53.000 I'm glad you brought that film up.

01:17:54.000 I mean, it was at about an 8th grade level instead of a 2nd grade level like most, you know, democratic films are.

01:18:00.000 But it's honest that government wants to destroy America, but that's to consolidate it.

01:18:04.000 It's really colonialism by the globalists and crony capitalists against America.

01:18:09.000 It's not Obama is anti-colonialist so he's misguided.

01:18:13.000 Obama's a total globalist like Romney.

01:18:15.000 Yes, of course that's right.

01:18:18.000 First of all, Obama is not a Marxist.

01:18:21.000 He doesn't hold most of the Marxist views, but in a way that makes him more sinister and more dangerous.

01:18:26.000 He doesn't want to end American imperialism or any of the old Marxist slogans.

01:18:31.000 He wants to intensify them, as does Romney.

01:18:34.000 And in terms of surveillance and all the other issues, The two people are indistinguishable.

01:18:39.000 He's bringing imperialism home!

01:18:40.000 You know, what I want to do is, one of these days I'm going to make a video, when it gets time for the presidential debates, a video of the top ten questions that will not be asked of these people, because if you did ask it, it would expose the scam of the so-called free elections that we have.

01:18:57.000 Well, Tom, I tell you, an hour is not enough time.

01:19:00.000 We got you on about 10 minutes late.

01:19:01.000 We're going to go to break here and come back.

01:19:03.000 I'm going to give you the floor.

01:19:04.000 What do you want to get into first?

01:19:05.000 Solutions, I was told.

01:19:08.000 Well, sure, we might as well try, right?

01:19:10.000 Can't hurt to try.

01:19:11.000 And we can't be afraid of failing, because how could we be in a worse spot than we are now?

01:19:16.000 That's a good point.

01:19:17.000 And, you know, you predicted the collapse, and you've talked about ways to get the word out before that happens.

01:19:21.000 Now it's here.

01:19:22.000 I want to talk about your last two books.

01:19:23.000 I've read both of them.

01:19:25.000 Amazing information.

01:19:26.000 And again, we're honored to have you here today with us.

01:19:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, you can visit his website, tomwoods.com.

01:19:32.000 We've got a link to it up at infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv.

01:19:37.000 Again, I apologize for having my dad on kind of like that.

01:19:39.000 He's never been on the show before.

01:19:40.000 I think a couple times he's called in over the last 17 years, but a guy called in going, you're dad, I want to hear him claim the government tried to recruit him to spy on his patients.

01:19:48.000 And my dad didn't tell you the half of it, okay?

01:19:51.000 Okay, like I'm, you know, kind of a wild guy.

01:19:54.000 My dad's kind of the opposite, real calm, and he didn't tell you half of it, okay?

01:19:59.000 We'll be right back.

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01:24:01.000 All right, Tom Woods is our guest.

01:24:17.000 This is a short segment, long segment coming up.

01:24:20.000 I think this is our first visit with him over the years, hopefully the first of many.

01:24:24.000 Tom, what are solutions to this fight?

01:24:26.000 I mean, Ron Paul's still out there getting the word out, but he's riding off of the sunset a little bit.

01:24:31.000 Ran's up there, you know, close to his dad, but not his dad.

01:24:35.000 Obviously, those are focal points.

01:24:36.000 There's what you're doing with Lou Rockwell and others doing a great job.

01:24:40.000 I know that you're in a film that we promote and sell, Nullification, which breaks down states' rights.

01:24:46.000 And when I go study what the Pentagon's doing, they're not preparing to fight Al-Qaeda.

01:24:50.000 They talk about going after legislatures that rebel and don't go along.

01:24:55.000 So the corrupt system is worried about states' rights.

01:25:00.000 That tells me it's the answer.

01:25:01.000 Tell us about that.

01:25:03.000 Well, my view is that we have to try something that's not out of the New York Times playbook.

01:25:09.000 I mean, the New York Times and the mainstream media, their role is to try to limit our range of debate.

01:25:15.000 It's to say, well, here are the issues that you're allowed to talk about, here are the positions, here's the three-inch range you're allowed to take on those issues.

01:25:22.000 And if we're going to play by their rules, we're never going to get anywhere.

01:25:25.000 So we've got to be willing to do things that aren't mentioned in Newsweek or aren't mentioned on the TV.

01:25:31.000 And so that's why I like the idea of state nullification.

01:25:34.000 I wrote a book called Nullification, as you mentioned.

01:25:36.000 And the idea of this is that the states created the federal government.

01:25:40.000 They ought to have some say in whether the federal government is obeying the Constitution or not.

01:25:46.000 Saying what their opinion on that is.

01:25:47.000 And in fact, as Madison and Jefferson said in 1798, the states in the last resort have to say to the federal government, no, what you're doing is unconstitutional and we refuse to go along with it.

01:25:57.000 Now that is, needless to say, not in the Romney agenda, it's not in the Obama agenda, it's not what Chris Matthews would say, it's not what Bill O'Reilly would say.

01:26:05.000 So, in my book, that makes it great.

01:26:08.000 So basically you've got all the corrupt, as Mike Church calls them, the Decepticons on the one side, and you've got Thomas Jefferson on the other.

01:26:15.000 I'll take Thomas Jefferson and state nullification.

01:26:17.000 We're starting to see this picking up steam around the country as people feel like, you know, I voted for the candidates, I've handed out pocket constitutions, I've done everything else.

01:26:27.000 I'm gonna try this.

01:26:29.000 If it's good enough for Thomas Jefferson, it's good enough for me.

01:26:31.000 What is the harm in trying it?

01:26:33.000 And I'll tell you, there's a lot of fun in trying it.

01:26:35.000 Because when you see the look on the face of Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews when they talk about the reappearance of state nullification, it's like their dog died.

01:26:45.000 This is not something they want us doing.

01:26:48.000 By the way, you have absolutely hit the heart of it.

01:26:50.000 They control the debates between the Demo-rats and the Decepticons.

01:26:56.000 They sit there and give you this false tiny spectrum.

01:27:01.000 And my seven-year-old daughter was in the back of the car and she goes, well, daddy, are we Democrats or Republicans?

01:27:06.000 And my nine-year-old son said, no, that's a false choice, because he listens to the show more.

01:27:11.000 And said that's, you know, how they control us.

01:27:14.000 You know, we need more choices.

01:27:16.000 And I was like, amen to that.

01:27:18.000 And, you know, she started to get it.

01:27:19.000 I'm like, they give you false choices and they're scared because they're losing control of the narrative now.

01:27:26.000 They can't keep us on the reservation.

01:27:28.000 Absolutely.

01:27:29.000 So, of course, when you do pursue something like state nullification, as some states have been talking about with a variety of pieces of federal legislation, naturally the state is going to come out with all the guns, rhetorical guns, at least at this stage, that they have.

01:27:41.000 Namely, they're going to accuse you of, well, of course, you're an extremist, a word they never define, of course.

01:27:47.000 There's nothing extreme about what they do, you understand.

01:27:49.000 I'm extreme, not them.

01:27:51.000 They call it sedition.

01:27:52.000 They call it sedition to even want to have a state.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:56.000 Sedition, that's right.

01:27:57.000 Well, of course, the irony, well, there's a lot of irony here, but I hardly think it's sedition to support Thomas Jefferson.

01:28:04.000 So I always point that out.

01:28:05.000 They never want to talk about Jefferson.

01:28:07.000 But the long and the short of it is, we're just reclaiming what are obviously our American rights.

01:28:12.000 And in the nullification book, the whole reason I wrote it was that I knew we were going to be attacked and smeared.

01:28:18.000 We support slavery and all this nonsense. 0.93

01:28:20.000 Nullification was never used to uphold slavery.

01:28:22.000 It was used to fight against the fugitive slave laws.

01:28:25.000 They don't want us to know that because they want to paint us as these terrible people who pine for slavery.

01:28:31.000 That's right.

01:28:31.000 They use, for those that don't know, states' rights so that people could run and be safe.

01:28:37.000 That's exactly what was going on in Wisconsin and elsewhere and they said we have to protect our state sovereignty, our right to protect these poor souls and give them a jury trial and not have them just be dragged away to their masters.

01:28:48.000 That's history that we're not supposed to know.

01:28:50.000 We're supposed to know that the states are wicked, the federal government is this great wonderful progressive force and we are blasting that narrative to bits with nullification.

01:28:59.000 Keep telling us about it.

01:29:01.000 Well, you said short break, short segment, long segment.

01:29:04.000 I figured I want to give you a chance to jump in and stop me.

01:29:06.000 Well, we're going to break in about a minute.

01:29:08.000 It's just that that is the answer.

01:29:09.000 When you read the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, when you look, you saw when Texas unanimously in the House said, we're going to enforce the law, don't grope people at the airport, misdemeanor on the outside, felony on the inside.

01:29:22.000 That's just the law.

01:29:24.000 They threatened F-16 armed blockade.

01:29:27.000 And it wasn't even big news.

01:29:28.000 It's like, oh, well, RF-16s will stop you from enforcing that.

01:29:32.000 I mean, the state should have called that bluff.

01:29:34.000 I want to come back and get your take on that, and then just keep expanding, because we sell the DVD that's based on your book to a great extent.

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01:34:01.000 Tom Woods, best-selling author, our guest.

01:34:04.000 The documentary film Nullification and the Rightful Remedy.

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01:34:12.000 Whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.

01:34:19.000 Thomas Jefferson.

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01:34:34.000 It's really an amazing film.

01:34:36.000 Nullify Now.

01:34:37.000 Because the federal government itself Has been taken over, and I want to get into that subject right now with our guest, but there's also a dark side type of nullification.

01:34:49.000 When Congress won't do things that are unconstitutional, like pass carbon taxes, Obama just does it via executive order.

01:34:55.000 So the federal government itself, as they've bragged on CNBC, has been captured by these offshore globalists that are above the law and fat on bailout money.

01:35:05.000 Here's an article out of local news.

01:35:07.000 Elgin Sustainability Visioning Workshop set for September 10th.

01:35:12.000 That's here in Elgin, outside Austin.

01:35:14.000 It's a cow town. 1.00

01:35:15.000 And they say they want to take over the local land, decide who can develop.

01:35:19.000 And they put it out there like it's a wonderful new thing.

01:35:22.000 That's what the UN said three years ago at the Copenhagen Treaty.

01:35:25.000 They said we can't take over the federal government fully.

01:35:29.000 We'll take over at the city and county and state level.

01:35:32.000 And Schwarzenegger leads that initiative show.

01:35:35.000 They understand the real power is local.

01:35:36.000 That's why they say, think globally, act locally.

01:35:38.000 So they don't want us doing that.

01:35:39.000 They're like, oh no, let's have 60% turnouts for a federal election, but 8% on average for local.

01:35:45.000 So everybody get out to Elgin tonight.

01:35:48.000 We'll give you that at the very end of the show.

01:35:50.000 But these meetings are happening everywhere.

01:35:52.000 We're, hi, you want to have a livable area?

01:35:55.000 Pass a law that bureaucrats decide if you can use your land at all.

01:35:59.000 You know, forget fish and wildlife saying you have a puddle on your land that you've owned for a hundred years, now we're going to take it.

01:36:03.000 Now just pass a law because it's trendy.

01:36:06.000 We're going to shut down your coal power plant because it's trendy.

01:36:10.000 Going back to Tom Woods.

01:36:11.000 Tom, getting into the issue of What the feds are doing and how they themselves have been taken over.

01:36:18.000 We ended the last segment bringing up the point about Texas threatened with F-16s to not let aircraft come into our state if we dared to not let TSA, who aren't even police, stick their hands down our pants.

01:36:34.000 Well, my own recommendation for this is that as we go forward and as we gain more and more interest in the idea of nullification is that we need to coordinate.

01:36:42.000 We need to have friendly legislators in one state coordinating with legislators in other states.

01:36:47.000 And we do have legislators around the country who are on board for nullification.

01:36:51.000 I know that for a fact.

01:36:52.000 I know a lot of them.

01:36:53.000 And have the states do this all at the same time.

01:36:56.000 And then really, I mean, of course the federal government has overwhelming power.

01:36:59.000 It could, strictly speaking, do whatever it wants.

01:37:02.000 But it does have to reckon with public opinion at some level.

01:37:05.000 It does not want the general public to withdraw its consent entirely.

01:37:10.000 So, I'd like to say, what if 15 states refused to do something at once?

01:37:13.000 Or 20?

01:37:14.000 Or 25?

01:37:14.000 What are they going to do?

01:37:15.000 Withhold the highway money from everybody?

01:37:17.000 At some point, They have got to back down, which they have done in the past.

01:37:22.000 They backed down on Real ID, although now they're trying to get that back.

01:37:25.000 They backed down on 55 miles an hour.

01:37:27.000 All we have to have is a collective, this is wrong, you shouldn't be over this, and a Sammy Hagar song.

01:37:33.000 We've got to make it culturally popular to rediscover liberty.

01:37:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:38.000 And the fact that, I mean, you could sort of play on, you sort of do what I used to do when I was a college professor.

01:37:43.000 I'd have all these 18 year old kids and they weren't all that excited about being in my class.

01:37:47.000 I don't know why, but they weren't.

01:37:49.000 And so one of the ways I would get them excited is I would say, look, I'm going to teach you stuff in this room.

01:37:54.000 That if you went to Harvard, they would not tell you.

01:37:56.000 And then suddenly, their teenage rebellious nature, I was using it for my purposes.

01:38:01.000 So suddenly, because they wanted to know, well, what are they keeping from me?

01:38:04.000 Well, likewise, nullification and the sorts of things we're doing are the sorts of things that we are not supposed to do.

01:38:09.000 No authority wants us to do them.

01:38:11.000 That sort of makes them cool.

01:38:12.000 I mean, in the old days, the left used to say, question authority.

01:38:15.000 Now the left is the authority half the time.

01:38:18.000 So they have no use for questions anymore.

01:38:19.000 We are the question askers.

01:38:21.000 And we're the ones, and I'll give you the answer.

01:38:23.000 The answer is nullification.

01:38:24.000 It's not the answer to every problem.

01:38:25.000 But what it does, even if it fails, which I don't think it will, but even if it did, it succeeds in getting people to think outside this suffocating box.

01:38:35.000 Yes.

01:38:36.000 Like the only opinion you can have is between Joe Biden and Mitt Romney. 1.00

01:38:40.000 That's just a, that's a mental disease. 0.92

01:38:42.000 Exactly, but I mean what you just said is so true.

01:38:45.000 They lie awake at night afraid of nullification because the states created the federal government and the two are supposed to be a separation of powers and the federal government has become this distant imperium just like England became a distant imperium and the city of London from the 13 colonies and you read what's in the Declaration of Independence It's exactly what's happening today, and then some.

01:39:08.000 I mean, things are worse today than they were then.

01:39:11.000 And like you said, so-called liberals aren't liberals.

01:39:15.000 They are authoritarians.

01:39:16.000 They always want to tell us, well, a nine-month-old baby in the womb is not a baby.

01:39:22.000 We say it's a fetus.

01:39:23.000 You know, everything with them is they define everything, and it's so pretentious, and it's a mind game.

01:39:31.000 Go ahead.

01:39:31.000 I'm sorry.

01:39:32.000 No, no, not at all.

01:39:33.000 I agree with everything you've said.

01:39:35.000 On the nullification issue, Jefferson predicted this outcome, and he warned, he said, if you let the federal government have the final monopolistic word on what the Constitution means, take a wild guess on what will happen.

01:39:48.000 It's going to interpret it in ways that benefit itself.

01:39:51.000 And in ways that eclipse the states and the people.

01:39:53.000 Well, obviously that has happened.

01:39:55.000 Now the argument for nullification, constitutionally, morally, every other way, is such a home run.

01:40:00.000 I know this because I've had exchanges with law professors on it.

01:40:04.000 These law professors can't debate their way out of a paper bag.

01:40:07.000 They all have the same three rotten arguments.

01:40:10.000 So I got so sick of answering the same things over and over again, I just put up, I bought the domain name state nullification dot com and I basically put up there All the information you need to be even a law professor.

01:40:21.000 Because they don't have the arguments.

01:40:23.000 It is true that Jefferson said these things.

01:40:25.000 It is true that the states created the federal government.

01:40:28.000 All these things are true.

01:40:29.000 That the Constitution was ratified state by state.

01:40:32.000 That the United States in the Constitution Hey, just 30 years ago, the FBI had to get permission to come in your town.

01:40:42.000 Now the police get little federal cards under their toadies.

01:40:45.000 And why do we even have states then?

01:40:47.000 Why do we even have an America?

01:40:49.000 Why not just a global government?

01:40:50.000 Well, that's why they have to get rid of the states to then get rid of the sovereignty itself of the country.

01:40:55.000 Right, exactly.

01:40:56.000 The states are not just, you know, cute little, you know, arbitrary boundary lines and, you know, Vermont has some quirks and California has its quirks and isn't that neat.

01:41:04.000 These are supposed to be boundary lines against tyranny.

01:41:07.000 That's why they're there.

01:41:08.000 They're not there for convenience, for the government.

01:41:11.000 They're not there for fun.

01:41:12.000 They're there for this purpose.

01:41:13.000 If we're not going to use them, you're right, we might as well not have them.

01:41:17.000 Well, they're firewalls.

01:41:18.000 Aren't they like bulkheads in a ship?

01:41:20.000 I mean, if one falls, people can run to the other?

01:41:23.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:41:24.000 In fact, what's so awesome is that in the early 19th century, so 200 years ago, the governor of Connecticut... What?

01:41:31.000 A northern state?

01:41:32.000 Yes, that's right.

01:41:33.000 The governor of Connecticut, Jonathan Trumbull, said that the state governments are in the last resort, the bulwark of the liberties of the people.

01:41:42.000 And so in 2010, in Connecticut, the very same state, 200 years later, there was an attorney general race.

01:41:49.000 And the woman who was running as a Republican got in the debates, picked up my book Nullification, which quotes the old Connecticut governor from 200 years ago, and she quoted from it and said, we need to do this again.

01:42:00.000 Well, of course, the media just went absolutely berserk.

01:42:04.000 She's not staying between the Biden and Romney spectrum.

01:42:08.000 How dare she say these things?

01:42:11.000 It's exciting that we have all this history, real U.S.

01:42:15.000 history, that is not taught.

01:42:17.000 And I don't think it's not taught just because by accident or they didn't have time to get to it that day.

01:42:22.000 It's because if you don't teach it, it's easier to pass off this narrative whereby In American history, all we have is the great, glorious, progressive federal government always doing wondrous deeds for the people.

01:42:34.000 That's what they want us to take, so that we'll sit back and not ask them questions.

01:42:41.000 Where do you see this confrontation going?

01:42:43.000 Because clearly the federal government's buying 1.4 billion bullets.

01:42:47.000 The lapdog media spins that into $174,000 and says, why are you guys upset?

01:42:53.000 When they're setting up checkpoints, TSA on the streets, 1.4 billion bullets, and they spin it to $174,000.

01:42:58.000 When they are federalizing everything, NDAA, Patriot Act, face scanning cameras going into buy and sell.

01:43:09.000 Out of a science fiction dystopia.

01:43:12.000 And then they still look at us and go, you're the crazy people that say the government's too big.

01:43:17.000 Or, you know, the Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL are like, dangerous terrorists think there's a world government as it's being announced everywhere.

01:43:26.000 I mean, I don't think they understand, or do they, that they're really losing the hearts and minds right now.

01:43:31.000 And shoveling more disinfo is only making people's exodus from under their dark wings accelerate.

01:43:40.000 I mean, the fact that, as Lou Rockwell said at the Paul Festival, I don't think there's a 25-year-old in this country, a 25 or under, who still reads a newspaper.

01:43:40.000 I think so.

01:43:50.000 So, in other words, the usual mechanisms that they once used to manufacture consent No longer exist as far as most young people are concerned.

01:43:59.000 And then of course we all know how Ron Paul did among the young people.

01:44:02.000 Gary Johnson, who's not quite Ron Paul, but nevertheless he represents some kind of a difference, is doing much better among the younger people.

01:44:09.000 So although time is not really on our side in some ways, well in other ways at least we see that the young people who haven't been raised on a diet of, you listen to the three channels and you accept what they say, are willing to look elsewhere For their information, because they know liars when they see them.

01:44:25.000 Well, that encourages me.

01:44:26.000 But we also, as you're right, we've got to talk about the local level, because maybe at this point, I mean, Ron Paul did us a great service, educational service, on the national level, and I don't know what we would have done without that.

01:44:36.000 But moving forward, we've got to think about the local level, and what you can do as an individual.

01:44:40.000 Like, New Hampshire is a great example.

01:44:42.000 They passed a jury nullification law, so that juries can not only decide whether the person was guilty or innocent, but also decide the justice of the law.

01:44:51.000 The Free State Project in New Hampshire is trying to encourage a free society by just having people go to one place, New Hampshire, and working together to build a free society.

01:44:59.000 Now, unfortunately, my old state of Massachusetts, which I'm sorry, I apologize, I'm from Massachusetts, is screwing that up because so many people in Massachusetts, they screw up Massachusetts.

01:45:08.000 They have no idea why Massachusetts is screwed up.

01:45:10.000 They have no idea that they did it. 0.94

01:45:12.000 And then they move to New Hampshire.

01:45:13.000 They want to screw up New Hampshire.

01:45:14.000 So they've got their hands full up there.

01:45:15.000 But these are the sorts of things that liberty-minded people creatively are coming up with when they're faced with what seems like insuperable odds.

01:45:24.000 They're just saying, well, you know what?

01:45:25.000 It may be insuperable odds, but I'm going to go down fighting.

01:45:29.000 And maybe we just might win.

01:45:30.000 Well, look at California.

01:45:32.000 I mean, they passed a 20% carbon tax a couple years ago.

01:45:36.000 Knowing that when you raise taxes too much it actually destroys the tax receipts and now the exodus has accelerated and then their answer is raise taxes again.

01:45:50.000 There is this predatory instinct to the bureaucrat and the bureaucrat Minions and also these kleptocrat mega corporations that love working with big government to shut down their competition.

01:46:02.000 I was reading where Walmart now, you know, has much lower profits.

01:46:06.000 Well, what do they expect when they engage in anti-free market monopolistic tactics and then try to frame the free market for a monopoly they've created that's the opposite of that?

01:46:17.000 Well, there's also this move to try to get national sales tax on the Internet, and there are some merchants who would like to see that happen because they feel like that would help them against local competitors and so on.

01:46:31.000 Everybody winds up trying to use the government to line his pockets, which is why, unfortunately, in the mainstream media, the way they respond to that is to say, well, we've got to take the money out of politics.

01:46:41.000 You've got to take the power out of Washington.

01:46:45.000 Because you're never going to be able to get the money out as long as there's stuff to be had.

01:46:49.000 The crooks will always figure out how to get their grubby hands on it.

01:46:53.000 So you have to go after the source of the problem, which is not that too much money is being donated to campaigns.

01:46:59.000 It's that once elected, the president can favor you.

01:47:02.000 We don't want that.

01:47:03.000 Well, that's like the more money they spend on education, the more expensive it gets, the lower the quality.

01:47:08.000 The more money you spend on health, then the higher the cost and the less quality because it's all being centrally controlled.

01:47:18.000 You cut the money off, then that will start cutting the corruption off.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:47:23.000 I mean, the education bureaucracy is a disaster and a joke.

01:47:27.000 I mean, the administration is so bloated in all these cities.

01:47:32.000 In New York City, it's something like 6,000 bureaucrats in the central office, whereas the Catholic schools educate like one-sixth as many students, so they should have 1,000 bureaucrats.

01:47:41.000 They've got 26.

01:47:43.000 I mean, it goes to show there's something wrong here.

01:47:45.000 This is not a matter of, I just said this on C-SPAN the other day, this is not a matter of the government is there because these are wonderful public-spirited people who just want to promote the common good.

01:47:54.000 No, these are people who want to loot and expropriate you and build up their own impenetrable fiefdoms.

01:48:02.000 Where they increase their budgets and their power.

01:48:04.000 That's what it is.

01:48:05.000 It's not what you learned in third grade about how the government works.

01:48:08.000 That's the reality of what's going on.

01:48:09.000 Well, look at this example of where the people end up in the safety deposit box having coins worth 7.9 million apiece, these St.

01:48:16.000 Gaudens 33, and the government said, well, we have an executive order that we can take your gold, and they just steal it.

01:48:22.000 And then ABC News reports it like it's a good thing.

01:48:25.000 I mean, don't people understand that once due process, the Constitution and Bill of Rights is gone, none of us have any protections?

01:48:32.000 Don't the bureaucrats know that...

01:48:35.000 They can be looted now?

01:48:37.000 I mean, don't the cops know that once there's on a Bill of Rights and Constitution that they have no protections?

01:48:43.000 Well, that's why I think it's important all this, there's been some good educational work done to try to reach local police and educate them and make them alert to what's going on.

01:48:51.000 A lot of them are just, they feel like they're just doing their jobs and they're not really aware of the implications of all this.

01:48:56.000 So that does need to be promoted.

01:48:58.000 But the long and the short of it is what we're seeing though today at the same time, I mean, I think we've got two things going on at once.

01:49:05.000 On the one hand, the acceleration of trends that are deeply disturbing and dangerous for all of us.

01:49:11.000 But on the other hand, we have more people than ever Who are becoming alert to this and are becoming interested in alternative sources of opinion, and that's all to the good.

01:49:21.000 And so, for instance, September 22nd, I'm told there's a big nationwide and the Fed rally at all the different Federal Reserve Banks.

01:49:28.000 Now, for me, most of the time I feel like a lot of these demonstrations don't really do much, but I make an exception to this.

01:49:35.000 Because the very fact that there's a demonstration outside a Federal Reserve Bank makes people realize the Federal Reserve is something people actually have an opinion about.

01:49:44.000 And it makes them start realizing, hey, it's private, and hey, we're not just going to protest the puppet Republicans and Democrats.

01:49:50.000 We're going to go directly to the real puppeteer.

01:49:54.000 Exactly right.

01:49:55.000 Because again, establishment candidate A versus establishment candidate B isn't going to change anything.

01:50:00.000 These people aren't, none of them are going to dismantle the Federal Reserve.

01:50:04.000 That's their bread and butter. 0.85

01:50:05.000 None of them are going to do any of these things.

01:50:06.000 So we have to go directly, again, we have to go directly to the public and say, what is the thing, the most important institution, That is privileged by the government, namely the Federal Reserve, that you never hear about, or if you do talk about it, you are dismissed from polite society.

01:50:22.000 Why is that?

01:50:23.000 Why do you think it is that we're not supposed to talk about this?

01:50:25.000 Again, arouse people's curiosity.

01:50:28.000 Now, again, I don't know in the endgame of all this How this turns out, if we necessarily win.

01:50:28.000 That can't hurt.

01:50:33.000 Maybe we win, maybe we don't win.

01:50:35.000 Well, resistance is victory.

01:50:36.000 The level of turning we'll live under is what we put up with.

01:50:38.000 As Jefferson said, I want to come back and talk about how we counter all of this.

01:50:44.000 But, bottom line, people are really starting to wake up, as you were saying.

01:50:47.000 And as things get worse and worse, that will only get other people to wake up.

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01:54:01.000 One foot on the brake and one on the gas.

01:54:08.000 Hey! 0.99

01:54:09.000 When there's too much traffic, I can't pass, no.

01:54:19.000 So I'm tired of this.

01:54:24.000 Leave a room for me.

01:54:26.000 Black and white, come and touch my groove again.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, the federal government had decided we were all going to drive 55, and the people said we're not putting up with it.

01:54:39.000 And it took 20 years, but now they're raising the speed limit up to 85 in Texas.

01:54:44.000 Hey, the Germans can drive 150. 0.61

01:54:46.000 A lot of the studies show that You get places quicker and there's actually less accidents.

01:54:55.000 But you better not be texting while you're driving.

01:54:58.000 The point is, the reason I wanted to play a little clip of that, is that it's an example of people just saying no.

01:55:04.000 And culturally getting what's happening.

01:55:06.000 Abortions becoming incredibly unpopular.

01:55:08.000 Gun controls becoming incredibly unpopular.

01:55:12.000 Because people are just waking up and figuring out, hey, you don't want my guns to protect me, you want to make me your slave.

01:55:20.000 Tom Woods is our guest, best-selling author, researcher.

01:55:20.000 And that's what's happening.

01:55:24.000 He's also been awarded Humanities Studies Fellowships, and he's taught at universities.

01:55:28.000 I'm not going to go over the whole deal, but he has written the book, Nullification.

01:55:32.000 We sell the DVD that he's in that is incredibly powerful.

01:55:36.000 Nullification, infowarestore.com.

01:55:38.000 Hope you get it today.

01:55:39.000 We've got about five minutes left.

01:55:42.000 Look, I mean, I mentioned this.

01:55:43.000 You've got the UN and globalists taking over with sustainable development and all the rest of it in towns everywhere because no one's resisting them.

01:55:51.000 They understand the power of the local. 0.98

01:55:53.000 And so I tell listeners, just get out there with the truth and get in these parasites' face. 0.98

01:55:58.000 And they'll act like you're powerless up front. 0.99

01:56:00.000 That's a mind game.

01:56:01.000 The truth is, they're powerless.

01:56:03.000 Tom Woods.

01:56:05.000 Well, that's absolutely right.

01:56:06.000 And as you said earlier, the turnouts for these local elections are basically negligible.

01:56:11.000 So this is, I mean, talk about low-hanging fruit.

01:56:13.000 Forget about trying to run for Congress or something when you could get the state Senate without all that much difficulty and a lot of...

01:56:20.000 Good, liberty-minded people will rally around you, and you don't need a gigantic budget.

01:56:25.000 But if you are remotely charismatic and you know your stuff, then you can't actually stop these people.

01:56:30.000 Because really, these people, they prosper in the darkness.

01:56:35.000 They prosper by keeping their intentions quiet or off the table or masking them with cutesy, saccharine-sounding language about the children and future generations or whatever.

01:56:45.000 But they need that benign mask ripped off their faces.

01:56:48.000 by somebody who's knowledgeable and frankly who can laugh at them.

01:56:51.000 Humor is so important because these people like to be treated with deadly earnest.

01:56:57.000 And for us just to treat them as just laughable nobodies just gets under their skin.

01:57:01.000 And to me it's not enough to just to fight them.

01:57:03.000 I want to get under their skin.

01:57:04.000 You know, it's funny.

01:57:05.000 I didn't understand that until a few years ago, 17 years on air, that they will ban our videos and file false claims on them when I make fun of a professor saying reduce humanity or I make fun of the TSA.

01:57:18.000 They do not like us laughing at them.

01:57:22.000 You're right.

01:57:22.000 Yeah.

01:57:23.000 So, I mean, basically, everybody's got to do what he's got to do.

01:57:26.000 And I know, you know, you have a huge audience and a lot of your audience feels like, I'm already doing everything I can do.

01:57:32.000 But maybe not everybody.

01:57:34.000 Maybe you should be writing a blog or something instead of emailing 50 of your friends your thoughts all the time.

01:57:40.000 Share your thoughts with the world.

01:57:42.000 Start doing YouTube videos.

01:57:43.000 Start doing local access.

01:57:45.000 Put out a local newspaper.

01:57:46.000 Put out a newsletter at work.

01:57:48.000 Just start talking.

01:57:49.000 Whatever.

01:57:49.000 Yeah, read a book with your friends.

01:57:51.000 Something.

01:57:52.000 But I mean, we have an opportunity that hasn't been seen since Gutenberg.

01:57:55.000 To spread information.

01:57:56.000 And if we don't take it, we have only ourselves to blame.

01:57:58.000 And that's why Obama now says the cybersecurity executive order to shut down free speech.

01:58:03.000 He's now saying in executive order, Congress wouldn't do what he wanted.

01:58:08.000 Well, the executive order thing, I mean, we could do a whole show on that, but that is just so egregiously unconstitutional, but neither party will actually stop it.

01:58:16.000 As long as my party's president is doing it, it's okay.

01:58:19.000 Alright, Tom Woods, we're out of time.

01:58:21.000 Will you come back and visit us soon?

01:58:22.000 I'd be glad to.

01:58:23.000 Alright, amazing.

01:58:24.000 TomWoods.com.

01:58:25.000 I'm Alex Jones of Infowars.com.

01:58:27.000 In closing for this hour, 6.30 p.m.

01:58:30.000 tonight, Elgin High School.

01:58:31.000 They're having a Sustainability UN Visiting Workshop to brainwash the locals to literally go into bondage.

01:58:39.000 If you're in Central Texas, be out there.

01:58:41.000 6.30 tonight.

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02:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:22.000 Well, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who's been in a lot of serious war zones and reported on some of the biggest stories of our time as a Pulitzer Prize winner, He is Chris Hedges and the website's truthdig.com.

02:00:50.000 He has a new book out that we're going to be breaking down with him today, Days of Destruction, What Days of Revolt.

02:00:58.000 I can't wait to read it.

02:01:00.000 And he's saying, is revolt all we have left?

02:01:02.000 Well, yeah, there are many forms of revolt.

02:01:05.000 I mean, I went into, you know, basically a preaching fit last hour, but it's effective.

02:01:10.000 It shows my desperation.

02:01:11.000 It's almost like my ghost dance here, wishing that we weren't going into such a fascist, corporatist tyranny.

02:01:18.000 But Chris Hedges joins us, one of the few real liberal voices that you can say is respectable and really makes sense and who doesn't compromise.

02:01:26.000 It's very scary to see none of the main conservatives against torture, Secret war, the end of the Bill of Rights, and really hardly any liberals.

02:01:36.000 In fact, a lot of them love it because it's empowering their precious state that they don't understand is now a corporate instrument.

02:01:42.000 Chris, we're about to go to break here in a few minutes, but I didn't want to waste any time getting you on.

02:01:46.000 Great to have you here, sir.

02:01:49.000 Tell us a little bit about the new book.

02:01:51.000 Well, it goes to the sacrifice zones, the poorest pockets of the country that have been forced to kneel before unfettered corporate capitalism.

02:02:03.000 And it's a kind of warning because They went first and we're next as we allow these corporate forces to reconfigure the country into a form of neo-feudalism, an oligarchic state backed by, you know, the most intrusive security surveillance apparatus probably in the history of humankind.

02:02:25.000 And I speak as somebody who covered the fall of East Germany.

02:02:28.000 I'm very familiar with the Stasi state.

02:02:32.000 Uh, and you know, there are no impediments left.

02:02:35.000 So, you know, it looks at places like Camden, New Jersey, which per capita is the poorest city in the United States, not surprisingly also one of the most dangerous, Pine Ridge, South Dakota.

02:02:47.000 Lakota, Indian Reservation, where the average life expectancy for a male is 48.

02:02:52.000 That is the lowest in the Western Hemisphere, outside of Haiti.

02:02:56.000 The coalfields of southern West Virginia, one of the most minerally rich pockets of the United States, and yet, of course, harbors the poorest population, along with terrible ecological devastation.

02:03:10.000 And finally, the produce fields, where these undocumented workers, who are the perfect worker, In the eyes of the corporate state, because they have no legal rights. 1.00

02:03:21.000 They can be abused.

02:03:22.000 There are no benefits.

02:03:24.000 They work day by day.

02:03:26.000 They show up in collection centers.

02:03:28.000 When they don't have enough work, they sleep out literally under mango trees in Florida.

02:03:32.000 And then we finally end with the Occupy Movement, which is, again, you know, with the title of the book, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:03:40.000 That first bubbling, I think, of consciousness Of revolt, of a recognition that we have undergone a corporate coup d'etat in slow motion and it's over.

02:03:52.000 Citizens United probably nailed the last peg in the coffin.

02:03:56.000 And civil disobedience is, I think, all we have left.

02:04:00.000 Now we're going to go to break here in a moment and come back and get into your case against the NDAA and all the amazing work you're engaged in, and just some of the signposts that we see showing that this, from my view, has been a conscious, RAND Corporation talked about it 15 years ago, construction of a system designed to implode the economy under a feudal system, as you said, using poverty as political

02:04:24.000 control because you can say what you want about America and what it's done the last hundred years but even in the 40s 50s 60s there was a plan to build up the third world and stuff now it is no make everybody poor and have private cities the elites live in and it's such a evil Malthusian view I want to get your well-traveled expert view on this from your perspective and talk about the book Straight ahead after this break, amazing interview coming up with Chris Hedges.

02:04:52.000 Truthdig.com will tell you more about the book, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:04:56.000 I'm Alex Jones with Infowars.com.

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02:07:56.000 You are either with the republic or against it.

02:08:09.000 Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.

02:08:14.000 It's Alex Jones.

02:08:19.000 That's right, and it was Thomas Jefferson that said, resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.

02:08:24.000 Many other founders said similar things.

02:08:27.000 But the point is that we are going into a classical tyranny.

02:08:33.000 No one can deny it.

02:08:36.000 The NSA has been caught spying on everyone in live time, totally illegal.

02:08:41.000 They're arresting people, torturing them, torturing their children in front of them in Abu Ghraib.

02:08:46.000 Bush brags about it in his book and doesn't get in trouble, even though his minions went to jail.

02:08:51.000 And now Obama has accelerated it and Romney signals he's going to accelerate it.

02:08:56.000 We're in deep trouble.

02:08:57.000 We've got an amazing guest joining us, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who has covered, you name it, the Stasi, the Russians, and many tyrannies.

02:09:10.000 He's been in high-level coverage of negotiations all over the Middle East, and he sued earlier this year over the NDAA that Obama signed on December 31st, when he thought no one was paying attention, 2011.

02:09:26.000 He has a new book just out, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:09:31.000 We're going to talk about that.

02:09:32.000 We've only got him to the bottom of the hour.

02:09:34.000 He's, again, gracious, but a joint is a very busy man.

02:09:37.000 And I want to talk about his NDAA suit.

02:09:39.000 It's having some success.

02:09:41.000 I want to get his take on everything that's unfolding.

02:09:44.000 But now we have activists put on terror watch lists preventing protesting DNC.

02:09:48.000 Turned up the Army, the ACLU.

02:09:51.000 Here's the ACLU press release just out yesterday on it.

02:09:53.000 They got the document where the Army, DOD, did it.

02:09:57.000 And they say in here that it's low-level terrorism to protest and ask the court to keep him in jail because protesting is now illegal.

02:10:06.000 We are seeing again the FBI caught with 12 million IDs of folks with Apple computers.

02:10:13.000 Here joining us to break it down is Chris Hedges, who I don't really need to go over more of his bio here.

02:10:20.000 Most people know who he is or should know who he is, but he joins us now.

02:10:27.000 Chris, what is the state of the world in your view?

02:10:30.000 Well, I think, you know, one of the things we have to be clear about is that the assault on civil liberties, which began under the Bush administration, has in fact been accelerated by the Obama administration.

02:10:42.000 It's worse under Obama than under Bush.

02:10:46.000 When you tick off all the things that the Obama administration has done over the last four years, refusal to restore habeas corpus, interpretation of the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force Act, as giving the executive branch the right to assassinate American citizens, whatever you think of these figures, like Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemeni cleric, and then, of course, his 16-year-old son, who was never accused of anything

02:11:12.000 two weeks later, the FISA Amendment Act, which one of the plaintiffs will be heard in the Supreme Court on October 29th, which retroactively made legal, but under our Constitution has always been illegal, warrantless wiretapping, monitoring, and eavesdropping warrantless wiretapping, monitoring, and eavesdropping of tens of millions of American citizens who have done nothing, been charged with no crime, and we know that all of our personal information is now being stored out in supercomputers in Utah.

02:11:41.000 The Obama administration has also employed six times the Espionage Act, which was never designed to ferret out whistleblowers as they are using it.

02:11:53.000 These are people who have exposed war crimes in the case of the CIA official Sterling who purportedly leaked this information to Jim Risen at the New York Times.

02:12:05.000 He's used it to essentially shut down Anything that counters the official government narrative.

02:12:12.000 And I was an investigative reporter for the New York Times.

02:12:16.000 I know many of the major investigative reporters.

02:12:18.000 And they will tell you that at this point, investigating anything the government does has become impossible.

02:12:25.000 Even on background briefings will no longer be given because people are scared of being charged with the Espionage Act.

02:12:32.000 officials have been charged, which, of course, brings with it prison time.

02:12:36.000 And this brings us to the National Defense Authorization Act, which, as you mentioned, Alex, was signed by the president on December 31st, New Year's Eve, of course, a moment when he thought we weren't looking.

02:12:48.000 Now, the National Defense Authorization Act, Section 1021, authorizes the U.S. Constitution government, or more specifically, the executive branch, to condemn or label an American citizen a terrorist.

02:13:06.000 And not only a terrorist, but in the language of that section, someone who has relationships with what they call associated forces, a term that's never defined.

02:13:16.000 To use the military, this is contravening 200 years of domestic law, to detain these people, hold them in military facilities, strip them of due process, and if the military so determines, actually ship them to offshore penal colonies like Guantanamo actually ship them to offshore penal colonies like Guantanamo and other black sites around the world in the language of this section until the end of hostilities, whenever that is.

02:13:42.000 In an age of permanent war, that's a very long time.

02:13:45.000 We challenge that in federal and the Southern District Court of New York.

02:13:50.000 Federal Judge Catherine Forrest issued a temporary injunction, in essence invalidating that section of the NDAA, Today.

02:14:04.000 We had a final hearing at the beginning of August.

02:14:07.000 And in which Judge Forrest will now determine whether that temporary injunction will become permanent.

02:14:15.000 But we know how the Obama administration will respond if she invalidates that section of the NDA, which of course I think she should.

02:14:23.000 They've already challenged the temporary injunction.

02:14:27.000 They will clearly challenge the permanent injunction if she rules that it is unconstitutional, as it appears she will.

02:14:36.000 Uh, that will take it to an appellate court.

02:14:38.000 If they uphold the ruling, it will go to the Supreme Court.

02:14:41.000 But all of this comes under the Obama administration.

02:14:43.000 And my frustration with self-professed liberals is that, um, you know, they're entranced with the rhetoric of Obama and utterly ignore the facts.

02:14:54.000 Utterly ignore what he has done.

02:14:57.000 And as you mentioned earlier, I think what we are seeing is, in essence, a rewriting of the legal code to criminalize any form of legitimate dissent.

02:15:09.000 And that's because the corporate state, corporate power, understands very well what's coming, both in terms of the environmental crisis and the economic crisis, and they want the legal mechanisms to shut it down.

02:15:22.000 You know, it's interesting that in the August, in the last hearing, In Judge Forrest's courtroom, she, as the judge, actually brought up the detention of 110,000 Japanese-Americans who, you know, because of their ethnicity, were sent to internment camps, again without any kind of legal recourse, and said that this section of the NDA essentially sets that precedent.

02:15:49.000 We are now reaching the Alexander Schultz-Nietzschen type moment, asking will we burn later in the camps, wishing we'd done something.

02:15:57.000 And now, three months ago, the Army document came out for re-education centers.

02:16:01.000 The Army admitted in a press release that our document was real, but that we shouldn't have it.

02:16:06.000 And another public document for gun confiscation during crises.

02:16:10.000 They're buying armored vehicles.

02:16:12.000 They've bought 1.4 billion rounds of ammo.

02:16:15.000 The media spends it to say, hey, they need 174,000 rounds of ammo.

02:16:20.000 No, it's 1.4 billion.

02:16:22.000 So we're seeing all sorts of propaganda.

02:16:24.000 Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist who's covered police states worldwide, Chris Hedges, joins us.

02:16:29.000 We're going to talk about his book here in a moment.

02:16:31.000 We're going to skip this network break so we have more time with him.

02:16:34.000 What is the ruling class thinking?

02:16:35.000 Because we've always had different corrupt elites and things, but there was still an understanding, even for the ultra wealthy and powerful, That you want checks and balances going back to Magna Carta because other elites can come in and rob you and that nobody wants to live in a society that's not free.

02:16:52.000 I mean, free societies are more productive, they're happier, they're better.

02:16:57.000 What has happened to the ruling class that they're going, I mean...

02:17:01.000 The Stalin-Mao-Hitler route. 0.72

02:17:05.000 I mean, this is... I mean, earlier in the shorter segment, I'd like you to recap that.

02:17:08.000 You pointed out you've covered a lot of historical events that happened as they happened.

02:17:12.000 This is one of the nastiest, most scientifically crafted, over-the-top... I mean, so many things that are in 1984 have now been surpassed.

02:17:22.000 And now they're getting ready for the physical roundups.

02:17:25.000 I don't think people understand, who haven't looked at history like you and others have, just how dark it is, is my point.

02:17:31.000 Yeah, I mean, in the language of patriotism, these people are traitors.

02:17:35.000 And that's the difference, as you point out, between the older ruling elite, and I come out of the working class, they were certainly no friends to working men and women, frankly, but they cared about the sustenance of the nation.

02:17:48.000 The new ruling elite is global.

02:17:50.000 It, in the language of business, is quite willing to harvest the nation.

02:17:53.000 That's how you've seen manufacturing jobs shipped overseas, and you look at labor conditions in southern China where Apple products, I mean all sorts of products that we buy are made, and it's out of Dickinsonian England.

02:18:07.000 You know, 70-hour work weeks, abusive conditions, you know, no labor protection, and what they tell now.

02:18:16.000 We're Foxconn that Apple uses while being lectured by Al Gore here domestically.

02:18:16.000 Exactly.

02:18:19.000 They have to be competitive, in essence, with prison labor in China or sweatshop workers in Bangladesh who make 22 cents an hour. 0.51

02:18:27.000 Exactly.

02:18:28.000 Where Foxcom that Apple uses, while we're being lectured by Al Gore here domestically, they have to put suicide nets up.

02:18:35.000 Yeah.

02:18:36.000 You know, what happens is when they don't meet their quotas, and there's a good book by a Berkeley sociologist who's of Chinese origin, a Wendt wrote about it, Wendt wrote about these conditions.

02:18:49.000 When they don't meet their quotas, and they don't make the profits, there are workers who will work and actually not be paid.

02:18:55.000 And at the end of the month, they will climb up to the roofs of these overcrowded dormitories and jump off and commit suicide.

02:19:05.000 And that's the world that these corporations have created.

02:19:08.000 And that's the difference between the old robber barons, the Rockefellers, the Mellons, the Carnegies, and the new robber barons, who are quite willing to sacrifice the nation, indeed are, for profit.

02:19:21.000 When they do their speculative gambling on Wall Street, and their bubbles crash, they loot the U.S.

02:19:27.000 Treasury, and then they make the rest of us pay for it through austerity programs.

02:19:31.000 I see the same thing in Europe, because, of course, it's a global corporate movement, so that when Papandreou in Greece announces, OK, you want austerity, I'm going to put it to a referendum, he's gone within a week, and he's replaced with a banker technocrat that is essentially pliable and a puppet.

02:19:53.000 Of the banks and of the corporate interests.

02:19:55.000 This is a global phenomenon.

02:19:57.000 We're not exempt from it.

02:20:00.000 And these essentially narrow oligarchic corporate forces, we see it.

02:20:06.000 They make all their money here and then they move overseas so they don't have to pay any taxes.

02:20:10.000 Well, they're moving to armored redoubts on Pacific Islands, and admitting they are, and they're bragging that they're converting us to a tyranny, and training the police that we're their enemy.

02:20:20.000 I mean, this is a nightmare scenario, and the attitude is, Americans are uppity.

02:20:27.000 We're going to bring you down, we're going to cut you down to size, while lecturing people who are on welfare because they've destroyed the jobs base, while they are the biggest recipients of corporate welfare contracts, bailouts, and then in Europe, I've looked at the numbers, almost all the real debt is owed by the big zombie banks, and they've done this trick of convincing everyone that the Europeans are lazy, and now today they're reporting that they want Greeks to work six-day work weeks

02:20:56.000 And then most of the money is to be paid to the bankers that Greece is having to hand their islands over to.

02:21:01.000 Yeah.

02:21:03.000 Well, that's precisely it.

02:21:05.000 And, you know, they will... Corporations know only one word, and that's more.

02:21:12.000 And they are going to push and push and push.

02:21:14.000 You know, like all sort of elites that have unplugged themselves from the reality around them, they're woefully out of touch with what most Americans are undergoing.

02:21:24.000 And it is always the ruling elites that finally determine the parameters and configurations of revolt and rebellion.

02:21:34.000 And because they have not responded rationally, as the columnist Paul Krugman writes week after week, to both the economic and political crisis, it means that there will be a backlash.

02:21:45.000 What exactly it will look like, How it will appear, when it will appear, I don't know.

02:21:50.000 I've covered, you know, revolutions in Eastern Europe, uprisings in Palestine, the war in Yugoslavia.

02:21:56.000 But I do know, especially having spent the last two years on this book, in the poorest pockets of the United States, without any question, that it's coming.

02:22:06.000 And the establishment knows that and is making preparations for it, I think, to use that crisis as a pretext to grab even more power.

02:22:14.000 If you expand on this out into the future, what type of world do you think the ultra-rich, who are obviously monopoly capitalists, what type of world are they planning on building?

02:22:29.000 In essence, a kind of feudal system, where you have a tiny, filthy rich, oligarchic elite, a small sort of core of corporate managers, public relations people, in essence propagandists, and then the rest of us hanging on by our fingertips.

02:22:46.000 And, you know, interestingly enough, this completely replicates the political and economic structure that Orwell painted in 1984 with Oceana, where you had an inner party of 2% to 4%, an outer party of about 12% and the rest are what he calls proles.

02:23:03.000 That's already, I mean, all you have to do is look out your window.

02:23:06.000 I had a decaying infrastructure, closing schools, closing fire departments, you know, closing libraries, long-term unemployment and underemployment, coupled with, you know, this kind of constant sustenance of criminal enterprises.

02:23:24.000 I mean, look at Goldman Sachs.

02:23:25.000 Goldman Sachs has bailed out every penny on the dollar by the American taxpayer, and now we give them, in essence, 0% interest loans so that they can gamble.

02:23:36.000 I don't know what it is.

02:23:37.000 It's not capitalism.

02:23:38.000 And then to loan it back to us at 10, 20, 30 or more percent.

02:23:38.000 I don't even know what it is.

02:23:43.000 And they often don't loan.

02:23:44.000 Talk to any small businessman, they can't get loans.

02:23:47.000 And why should the banks loan?

02:23:49.000 They've got all the money they could ever want.

02:23:50.000 Taxpayer backed money.

02:23:51.000 Expanding on this, I went and saw Dinesh D'Souza's film, the 2016 Obama's America, and they were saying that Obama was anti-colonialist, when really, I see this as a new colonialism, where it's these mega-banks and mega-elites that are destroying the nation states that were the old cores of the empire, not just exploiting the third world.

02:24:16.000 They've brought the cancer home, but then they spin it that Obama is an anti-colonialist, and so that's why he's doing what he's doing.

02:24:25.000 I mean, it's an amazing spin.

02:24:27.000 And you know, we actually call the places that, you know, places like Camden, internal colonnades, because it is a form of colonialism.

02:24:27.000 Thank you.

02:24:37.000 And, you know, just to go back to your point earlier about the militarization of police, you know, I think when you look at the war on, the so-called war on drugs, you see the portal, the way they entered it, so that if there's a night raid now in Oakland, You have Kevlar-plated command helicopters, command centers, people dressed in black, carrying M-16s.

02:25:02.000 It looks no different from a night raid in Fallujah.

02:25:06.000 And that's the point, that as the disintegration continues, the more brutal forms of control that are used on the outer reaches of Empire migrate back to the heart of Empire.

02:25:20.000 And the megacorporations then plan to even implode the old homelands, and then just have a giant squalor that they rule over from private, heavily armed doubts and cities, and that's now even their admitted plan, the Rand Corporation is saying.

02:25:38.000 What a hellish vision!

02:25:39.000 What a hellish world!

02:25:40.000 It sounds like something the devil would come up with.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, and you have corporations like Bechtel buying up all the clean water. 0.88

02:25:48.000 In Chile and other places because they know that pretty soon water, you know, water for most of us will be contaminated.

02:25:55.000 We'll have to pay for it, just like everything else.

02:25:57.000 Yeah, I mean, they, you know, if you sit down inside the NSA or any other, their sort of analysis of where we're going is not going to be much different from yours or mine.

02:26:07.000 It just doesn't make it out into the mainstream.

02:26:11.000 Well, that's right.

02:26:12.000 They've got British Ministry of Defense reports, Pentagon reports, admitting a hellish world, and then if I cover it, the media calls it pessimism porn.

02:26:22.000 Won't this be the defining moment when your case goes to the Supreme Court if they don't uphold the Constitution?

02:26:29.000 I mean, this will be overthrowing Magna Carta, habeas corpus. 0.63

02:26:32.000 I mean, this is probably one of the biggest cases ever.

02:26:35.000 What is it like to be at the center of this?

02:26:38.000 Well, it's sort of bizarre in a sense because I agree with you.

02:26:41.000 I mean, it is, and the judge agrees with us, that this is just this amazing attempt to essentially strip us of the rule of law, of due process, and yet it doesn't get covered.

02:26:54.000 It doesn't get covered.

02:26:55.000 Because both the Republicans and the Democrats are essentially beholden to corporate power and the security and surveillance state.

02:27:02.000 I mean, this was a bipartisan effort, sponsored by Carl Levin and John McCain.

02:27:08.000 And so because the media won't step outside these very narrow parameters, Which essentially stretch from A to B, that's what stunned me the most.

02:27:19.000 How egregious the assault is, how naked the assault is, and how it's virtually uncovered.

02:27:25.000 I mean, the New York Times did write a good editorial about it after the temporary injunction was issued, but, you know, if you look on the airwaves, it doesn't exist, and yet you have all these people sort of shouting about the Constitution and civil liberties and here in an Incredibly overt attempt to take away our right to trial.

02:27:50.000 It's violence.

02:27:54.000 And now, I see a lot of conservatives going along with this, when the government's now said, don't worry about Al-Qaeda, and we're going to use them and others to take down Syria and Libyan places. 0.72

02:28:04.000 But, you know, the new enemy is domestic threats, and they're out, like they've done with Muslims, provocateuring, you know, militia groups in Michigan and things, trying to get some type of civil war going so they can now target the American people as the enemy.

02:28:18.000 This is very cold-blooded.

02:28:21.000 I think it is a left-right issue.

02:28:22.000 You know, the American conservative just ran a long article called In Defense of Bradley Manning, raising precisely these points.

02:28:32.000 And that's why I think that, you know, the political theater of the Republicans and the Democrats, you know, is really a kind of of mass money-drenched spectacle that diverts us from debating issues that I don't think, you know, really, you know, for anybody who cares about the rule of law and the democratic state, no matter what your political opinion is, there should be any divide on it Well, that's right.

02:29:02.000 We're all Americans.

02:29:03.000 We're all humans.

02:29:04.000 And if America becomes this pure tyranny, boy, the world better look out.

02:29:08.000 If they think we've been doing bad stuff so far, Chris, look out.

02:29:11.000 You know, I know you've got to go.

02:29:13.000 I'll talk to you briefly during the break if you can stay five more.

02:29:15.000 I want to come back and talk about the book.

02:29:17.000 But if not, folks...

02:29:20.000 Okay, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:29:22.000 I have not read it yet.

02:29:23.000 I will read it because, let me tell you, when I see Chris Hedges' videos online, he's focused, he knows what he's talking about, he's articulate.

02:29:31.000 I get mad and just yell and scream.

02:29:33.000 I wish I was like him.

02:29:34.000 But then I'm just a constitutionalist.

02:29:36.000 I want my Bill of Rights.

02:29:37.000 I want my Constitution.

02:29:38.000 If that's liberal or that's conservative, then that's what I am.

02:29:40.000 But I just love Chris Hedges and he's so, so, so good to come on and talk about this with us.

02:29:45.000 We'll be right back to talk about his book for a few minutes.

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02:33:08.000 Okay, we've got about six, seven minutes left with Mr. seven minutes left with Mr. Hedges holding over with us.

02:33:31.000 Pulitzer Prize winning author, journalist who's covered some of the most dangerous places in the world.

02:33:36.000 And he's saying that, well, what he sees here in America, I wanted to expand on that, is the worst he's ever seen so far.

02:33:41.000 I want him to elaborate on that because it's intriguing if I went over his bio here for folks that may not know who...

02:33:48.000 Who Chris Hedges is.

02:33:50.000 He's been in over 50 countries.

02:33:51.000 He's covered the big battle zones.

02:33:53.000 He's covered world leaders.

02:33:54.000 He's covered the Stasi and their activities.

02:33:57.000 Just amazing.

02:33:58.000 And he's got a new book out that we're going to be obviously breaking down as soon as I get a chance to read it.

02:34:04.000 Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:34:06.000 But I wanted him to go over basically what the book covers because earlier he started mentioning that it's a reservation program.

02:34:14.000 And I've interviewed a lot of Native Americans who've gone over the history.

02:34:18.000 And they point out that Indian policy became what Hitler used, and I've actually read that in Hitler's own writings, that he used that model of the concentration camp off the reservation.

02:34:28.000 The company store that keeps control of the people, keeps them in poverty, their life expectancy, and that that's the whole model now of this corporate state.

02:34:38.000 Get rid of your jobs and then give you a pittance to barely even keep you at subsistence.

02:34:43.000 Destroying destinies, destroying societies, So you can control them.

02:34:47.000 And now the corporate state doesn't want even free market competition.

02:34:51.000 It's coming in with regulations shutting down what's left of our industry.

02:34:55.000 I mean, it's a cold-blooded, systematic, military-style takeover.

02:34:59.000 So, Chris, break down your new book, which I can't wait to read, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

02:35:05.000 Well, yeah.

02:35:06.000 I mean, Alex, I think you nailed it.

02:35:07.000 I mean, that's why we begin with Pine Ridge, because that's where it all began.

02:35:12.000 Uh, and originally, uh, you know, those reservations were openly called prisoner of war camps.

02:35:18.000 Uh, and you're right.

02:35:19.000 They, they make, uh, self-sufficiency impossible and create this kind of culture of dependence.

02:35:27.000 Uh, which destroys dignity, self-worth, uh, community, uh, with all of the attendant problems.

02:35:34.000 That's why you have an 80% estimated, 80% alcoholism rate on Pine Ridge.

02:35:40.000 Uh, and everywhere we went, whether it was Camden, whether it was, uh, Southern West Virginia, where people are taking OxyContin, what they call Hillbilly Heroin, uh, you know, they The sort of drugs and the alcohol anesthetize people to the kind of pain and the suffering to which they have been reduced.

02:36:01.000 And I think the reservation model is, in fact, one that we spent a lot of time reporting on and looking at for precisely that reason.

02:36:10.000 You know, when you reduce people to a level of desperation, it becomes far easier to control them.

02:36:19.000 And that's what we're seeing.

02:36:20.000 I mean, you know, just all sorts of, just in the last few weeks, the refusal to restore unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans, which means tens of thousands of these people will eventually lose their homes, a number now over six million.

02:36:37.000 You know, there's just, Obamacare is another example.

02:36:43.000 It's a corporate, essentially the equivalent of a bank bailout bill for the pharmaceutical And I've got to interrupt.

02:36:49.000 is $477 billion in subsidies.

02:36:52.000 And, of course, they can keep, as anyone such as myself knows who doesn't have a company plan, keep jacking up co-payments and premiums.

02:37:00.000 And I've got to interrupt.

02:37:01.000 See, you're the only scholar out there on the so-called left, but you're just a human who wants freedom, who's honest that the insurance companies wrote it, and then the right wing gives Obama cover and goes, He goes, how dare you want to make us commies when the whole thing was written to let corporations control the quality of care, make you buy their product and jack up the price.

02:37:20.000 I mean, it's such a fraud.

02:37:22.000 But then you've got all the people on the left who mean well supporting it through ignorance.

02:37:27.000 Yeah, it is.

02:37:30.000 It is, uh, I mean, you know, this is, I think, a very telling piece of legislation because it was written in the Heritage Foundation.

02:37:37.000 It was first put into practice by Mitt Romney when he was governor in 2006 in Massachusetts, and then adopted by Barack Obama.

02:37:46.000 And Obamacare is Obamacare.

02:37:47.000 And that is a kind of window into the kind of false debates that go back and forth, because both of these two political parties are slavishly devoted to corporate interests.

02:38:01.000 Obamacare is essentially forcing us to buy defective Corporate product, a for-profit product.

02:38:10.000 It's staggering.

02:38:11.000 And what is the revolt angle of the book?

02:38:13.000 Because, again, I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

02:38:15.000 I'm going to order it today.

02:38:16.000 I think it's just this understanding that the formal mechanisms of power are not going to Defend civil liberties or our interests or institute the kinds of reforms that will bring back the kind of egalitarian society that I think we all want.

02:38:34.000 That now resistance has to come outside those formal mechanisms of power.

02:38:39.000 That means acts of civil disobedience.

02:38:41.000 I was arrested with Occupy protesters in front of Goldman Sachs.

02:38:45.000 Going to jail is more time than I care to donate to the federal government, but I don't think we have any option left.

02:38:53.000 And I'm not naive enough to even promise you that it will work.

02:38:58.000 But I can tell you that the system is so corrupt.

02:39:01.000 You know, you take New York City police and you look closely, most of the egregious assaults against protesters were carried out by the white-shirted officers who are earning about $110,000 a year.

02:39:13.000 There was a lot of fraternization with the blue uniform police because These corporations hire them, like Goldman Sachs and Citibank, as rent-a-cops for private security for $37 an hour in their off time so they can, you know, make some money.

02:39:28.000 Well, Goldman Sachs gave them, what was it?

02:39:30.000 It was some giant amount of money the week before as a pure gift right to the police, a public bribe.

02:39:36.000 Yeah, J.P.

02:39:36.000 Morgan, I think it was.

02:39:38.000 Morgan was like... Right, exactly.

02:39:38.000 Yeah, J.P.

02:39:40.000 I mean, and I think, you know, when I cover the fall of East Germany, what happens is when the foot soldiers are no longer willing to defend the elite, you know, when Erich Honecker, the dictator in East Germany, sent down an elite paratroop division to Leipzig, where I was, and they wouldn't fire on the crowd, Honecker lasted another week in power.

02:39:58.000 And I think that, you know, in fact, Well, part of the reason, I'm guessing, that the NDAA was pushed through, I think, is because there's a kind of fear among these corporate oligarchs that the police won't protect them.

02:40:13.000 Well, that's one of my final questions here.

02:40:14.000 I've got a few to race through.

02:40:16.000 I want to know what else is in the book so people will definitely get it because your ideas are right on from my own research but so well laid out.

02:40:24.000 That was my next issue.

02:40:25.000 I'll guarantee you that if things continue to implode, the people they know that aren't going to shut up and go along are people like Chris Hedges, people like Alex Jones, people that they know are controlled by conscience.

02:40:38.000 Not because I'm some goody-two-shoes, but because I don't want to live in a fascist state.

02:40:42.000 I mean, I want my children to have a future, and they're really trying to set the precedent For this, as they force people into a revolt, kind of arresting and, which they admit, scooping up people that they see as leaders.

02:40:57.000 Yeah, and I think that once you create that legal mechanism that essentially permits or gives to the state that kind of power, then you're in really serious trouble.

02:41:07.000 They use it on marginal elements within the society first, Muslims, black bloc anarchists, whatever, militia members, but you don't want to give them that kind of legal power, which unfortunately we've already done.

02:41:20.000 Because they use the sort of fringe elements as a way to justify that kind of power, and then they turn it on the rest of us.

02:41:30.000 That's exactly right.

02:41:31.000 And history has just borne that out, you know, in conflict after conflict that I've covered and watched.

02:41:38.000 What about geopolitically?

02:41:40.000 It seems like the world is kind of waking up to the fact that the United States has been seized by very evil forces.

02:41:48.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I was quite an opponent of the invasion of Iraq on that issue, and I had been the Middle East Bureau Chief of the New York Times, because, you know, it was not only, you know, a tactical blunder, but probably one of the most strategic blunders we made in essence throwing the balance of power to Iran. 0.92

02:42:09.000 Yeah, I think that, unfortunately, you know, we don't have a lot of friends left because of, I think, very misguided imperial projects that, again, of course, I mean, the war in Afghanistan, which, let's be frank, we're losing.

02:42:25.000 You know, there are a handful of corporations, Halliburton and Raytheon and on and on and on, for whom they make money in all wars.

02:42:36.000 Could the Anglo-American establishment kind of stall and not have a Berlin Wall moment but just kind of collapse like the Soviet Union? 0.73

02:42:43.000 I don't know.

02:42:46.000 I mean, that's the big question.

02:42:48.000 I mean, collapse is coming.

02:42:50.000 How does it come?

02:42:52.000 Does it come gradually?

02:42:53.000 Is there kind of a slow decline like the Ottoman Empire?

02:42:57.000 Does it implode?

02:42:58.000 These are questions that I ask all the time, but I don't have a definitive answer.

02:43:04.000 Well, I think they're going to try to go Hitler crazy and launch a bunch of wars that are so bad, everybody kind of lines up because we're in so much trouble.

02:43:12.000 Well, yeah, the government's corrupt, but we're, you know, fighting Russia and China now, so let's line up.

02:43:16.000 We just lost 500,000 people.

02:43:19.000 I mean, I think the elite are that crazy, and the way they're digging in, the way they're getting everything ready, looks like they're gearing up for World War III at a scale much bigger than the Cold War.

02:43:30.000 The COG, the armored pillboxes, the weapons caching, studying history, Chris, in closing.

02:43:36.000 I'm not just trying to be a fearmonger here, I'm scared.

02:43:39.000 I mean, I've studied history, I'm a history buff, and they're digging in for what looks like not just a war with the people, but a war with everybody else.

02:43:47.000 Well, you know, that's as Randolph Bourne said in World War I. He said war is the health of the state, by which he meant that when the state declares war, you're right, everybody lines up behind it, you know, in the name of patriotism and everything else.

02:44:02.000 And it is a very effective measure, as it was in World War I, to essentially crush any form of dissent.

02:44:08.000 So, yeah, you're right.

02:44:09.000 I mean, history has shown that to be a very effective tactic for despotic states to channel Well, hopefully your book will wake people up, and I know it's got amazing illustrations in it.

02:44:29.000 Tell us a little bit about the book that you haven't covered and about the cartoonists that you worked with.

02:44:34.000 Yeah, this is Joe Sacco, who is an amazing reporter in his own right, does whole graphic novels that he reports out.

02:44:42.000 We met in Bosnia in 1995.

02:44:46.000 And I think one of the reasons I found him so important in the book, 50 pages of illustrations, as well as comic panels sort of profiling people's lives, is that so many of these Americans by the corporate media have been rendered invisible.

02:45:01.000 And I think one of the goals of the book was to make them visible, and Sacco did that, gave the book a kind of punch that pure prose wouldn't have had.

02:45:11.000 Do you have hope for the future?

02:45:12.000 I mean, would you say it's a 60% chance we're going to go into this total tyranny?

02:45:16.000 Or is it a 70% or a 20%?

02:45:18.000 I mean, what's your... There's few people who've traveled more, seen more, reported on more.

02:45:23.000 So I really respect your view on this.

02:45:25.000 I know our listeners do.

02:45:27.000 I mean, looking into that crystal ball, what's our odds?

02:45:30.000 I think it looks pretty bleak, but I don't think we can use the word hope unless we actively resist every way possible, which is why I was in protest outside Goldman Sachs, why I sued Barack Obama and Leon Panetta over the NDAA.

02:45:48.000 I think it's a kind of moral imperative to resist, but at the same time, a very sort of sober view, it doesn't look great.

02:45:58.000 Have you been threatened?

02:46:00.000 Yeah, but over my opposition to the Iraq war and then interestingly by black anarchists, who I've been very critical of. 0.93

02:46:08.000 Well, most of them are run by feds.

02:46:11.000 Well, Chris Hedges, that's what I found from my research.

02:46:16.000 Again, your website is also a great place for people to visit.

02:46:22.000 Tell us about your website.

02:46:23.000 Truthdig, yeah.

02:46:24.000 This is Bob Scheer's website out of L.A.

02:46:26.000 I write a column every Monday for them.

02:46:28.000 All right, well, thank you so much, Chris.

02:46:29.000 All right, there he goes.

02:46:29.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:46:31.000 I ended up spending more time with us.

02:46:33.000 Man, I wish he was wrong.

02:46:34.000 I wish I was wrong.

02:46:35.000 You know, last hour, I kind of went into this ranting rage about the tyranny we face.

02:46:42.000 But, I mean, I bet my family that we can beat this.

02:46:45.000 I mean, let me tell you, if I didn't think we could turn this around, I would leave the United States.

02:46:53.000 Not that somewhere else would be perfect, but I would get out of the fight.

02:46:57.000 Because, let me tell you something, the people running things have made a friend with evil.

02:47:03.000 They have decided that they're going to rule the world, they've got the power, they've got this historic moment, they're going to use it.

02:47:11.000 And we've got to decide, we've got our historic moment as human beings that stand for freedom and justice to resist these people.

02:47:18.000 Because, you know, Chris Hedges talks about how they want to render us impotent and where we can't have jobs in the future.

02:47:24.000 That is the policy of the globalists.

02:47:27.000 And, you know, Obama is not anti-colonialist.

02:47:30.000 Colonialism became what you call globalist.

02:47:33.000 And then the right-wing packages anti-colonialist as communist when the communists are actually running their own form of collectivist colonialism that then implodes and is taken over by the bankers.

02:47:44.000 I mean, we're facing such a sophisticated situation.

02:47:47.000 People say, well, are you for Occupy or against it?

02:47:49.000 The globalists talked about Occupy because their computers We're able to predict that there would be flare-ups at that moment against the banks, and that people knew that the banker bailouts were a corporate transference of wealth from the people to the elite.

02:48:05.000 Just a robbery.

02:48:07.000 A private taxation mechanism.

02:48:10.000 So they announced, everybody who's mad at corruption on Wall Street, show up.

02:48:14.000 Then the Democratic operatives show up, and a lot of other activists as well.

02:48:18.000 Soros is unable to take control of it. 0.95

02:48:20.000 That was going to be kind of the revolutionary arm of Obama's second election.

02:48:24.000 But with the corporatists running it, the Occupy folks got wise to that, didn't work, so then they flushed him and Obama in what, 37?

02:48:33.000 Locations nationwide and in multiple, a whole bunch of states, 14 states, had people arrested in midnight raids directed by the feds.

02:48:43.000 Folks, when your police are being directed by feds to scoop up protesters, you're not in Kansas anymore.

02:48:50.000 You're in a dangerous police state.

02:48:51.000 And what people don't get is, well, I don't care if I'm in a police state, I want cops and guys with machine guns on every corner, because it's for Al Qaeda. 1.00

02:48:58.000 But see, it's not for Al Qaeda now, it's for you. 0.94

02:49:01.000 And it's because they're planning to take your bank account.

02:49:05.000 They're planning to devalue your dollar.

02:49:07.000 They're planning to take your pension fund.

02:49:09.000 And I don't mean the government pension fund.

02:49:11.000 I'm talking about your private ones.

02:49:13.000 They're already doing that in Europe.

02:49:14.000 Putting taxes on them and stuff.

02:49:17.000 I mean, I've got financial news on Europe that I'm going to get to after... Well, I guess Dr. Stallman's joining us.

02:49:24.000 I'm almost out of time.

02:49:26.000 Where is my financial stack?

02:49:27.000 I mean, let me just hit a few of these right now.

02:49:29.000 This is so serious.

02:49:31.000 Folks, and for the millions that are serving this, we're not coming back from this, okay?

02:49:37.000 You notice, the deeper we get into globalism, NAFTA, GATT, any of it, things get worse.

02:49:42.000 Because it's meant to be bad.

02:49:45.000 They write white papers on it, it's horrible!

02:49:49.000 It's not my opinion we're signing on to evil, it's happened!

02:49:54.000 The same robber baron families funded Hitler! 0.79

02:49:59.000 Okay, we're in trouble!

02:50:02.000 These elites put Mao into power because they wanted to have a strong guy take over.

02:50:08.000 Our government put Mao Zedong into power.

02:50:10.000 That's been declassified for about 10 years.

02:50:14.000 I just got chills saying that.

02:50:15.000 Do you realize, under globalist funding, he killed the Chinese, say 85 million people.

02:50:21.000 The CIA says 64 million.

02:50:26.000 Man, they aren't playing games.

02:50:29.000 They want to reorganize and kind of erase the disc, clear the table in America and Europe.

02:50:36.000 And they are lining up the troops and the military to do it.

02:50:40.000 And they're going to do most of it with starvation.

02:50:44.000 And, man, I just don't want to go down this road.

02:50:47.000 I mean, they've got America in the guillotine.

02:50:50.000 And I'm saying, let's get our head out of here.

02:50:52.000 And let's get our neck out of this thing. 0.84

02:50:54.000 Let's wake up and say no! 0.70

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02:54:00.000 Well, you just heard a Pulitzer Prize-winning top journalist tell you we're going into absolute hell. - And I have all the documents.

02:54:26.000 I should have brought this up to him.

02:54:27.000 It'll be about eugenics. 0.96

02:54:28.000 About how they would give the blankets with smallpox and poisoned food and water to the natives to make them weak. 0.96

02:54:34.000 They'd kill the strongest members. 0.97

02:54:36.000 They'd kill people that tried to lead. 0.99

02:54:41.000 And again, that was done to a minority.

02:54:44.000 That's how cultures always do it. 1.00

02:54:46.000 But then it ends up getting exported on to everybody.

02:54:49.000 And now the troops have their death benefits that they take part of their check out of, if they sign on to it, and just steal it.

02:54:54.000 And it was in Bloomberg and AP a couple times two years ago and never again.

02:54:58.000 It's like, yeah, we take the death benefits of vets from World War II right through to the current conflict.

02:55:03.000 Yeah, we run a scam on them.

02:55:05.000 And yeah, the big banks launder the drug money and run the aircraft. 0.93

02:55:07.000 And yeah, the troops grow the opium.

02:55:09.000 And yeah, the troops are dying and have all these increased cancers and their kids are deformed from DEA.

02:55:13.000 But so what? 0.97

02:55:14.000 Hey, did we tell you we're going to forcibly shoot your kids up in school? 0.98

02:55:18.000 And make them, you know, have abortions and say that they gave consent at 12 to have an abortion. 0.98

02:55:22.000 Because we threw them in a truck and took them and had them sign a form.

02:55:27.000 I mean, the government is just power grabbing and it's moving faster and faster.

02:55:33.000 And I'm sitting there watching it happen.

02:55:36.000 And then I look at my kids.

02:55:37.000 And I look back at America and then I look at my kids.

02:55:44.000 And I'm like, do I get out of here?

02:55:47.000 I've said I'm going to stay to the end.

02:55:48.000 These people don't understand what they're up against.

02:55:52.000 Because if we knew what we were up against, we would say no.

02:55:58.000 If you knew how bad it was, the danger is letting this win.

02:56:03.000 People think, oh, it's dangerous to fight this.

02:56:04.000 No, no, no, no.

02:56:06.000 Yeah, for people like me, sure.

02:56:08.000 But for you, the danger is in going along with it.

02:56:12.000 I mean, if I was a cop and there was somebody filming me down the street at, you know, at something I was doing, I wouldn't run over and arrest them.

02:56:19.000 You know that's the First Amendment.

02:56:21.000 You know they're not a terrorist.

02:56:22.000 Shame on you. 1.00

02:56:24.000 You take their right away, you're gonna get yours taken away, you idiots! 1.00

02:56:28.000 You idiots! 1.00

02:56:30.000 Do you have any idea what you're doing? 1.00

02:56:33.000 How much danger going along with these orders is putting everybody in.

02:56:37.000 And it's so planned.

02:56:44.000 That's what's, it's all over the RAND Corporation, public documents.

02:56:47.000 I remember reading RAND Corporation stuff in 98-99 where there will soon be a giant terror attack.

02:56:55.000 We will radically re-engineer America. 0.87

02:56:57.000 Prepare for the attack.

02:56:59.000 This will happen after the attack.

02:57:00.000 And it was clear they were saying that it was going to be staged.

02:57:03.000 And that was a good thing.

02:57:04.000 And I'm just like, what?

02:57:05.000 Hey everybody, they're going to stage terror.

02:57:06.000 They've done it before.

02:57:07.000 Look, look.

02:57:09.000 Now look what happens.

02:57:09.000 See, they did it.

02:57:12.000 Moody's lowers Outlook.

02:57:13.000 And you're like, our government did it?

02:57:15.000 Yeah, the criminal elements that run our government and run Al Qaeda did it. 0.96

02:57:18.000 Yeah, you bet they did.

02:57:20.000 And your naivete doesn't protect you.

02:57:23.000 It endangers you.

02:57:24.000 It allows this to happen.

02:57:27.000 Moody's lowers Outlook for European Union's credit rating to negative.

02:57:33.000 But I thought they gave the foreign bankers all their money.

02:57:35.000 That would fix it.

02:57:36.000 Oh, as I told you, it's only going to get worse.

02:57:38.000 Because it's designed to.

02:57:40.000 And then they always pose as the savior.

02:57:43.000 Breakdown!

02:57:43.000 Three tons of food looted from grocery stores in Spain as millions struggle.

02:57:48.000 Yeah, they're still getting their welfare checks, but their currency doesn't buy it anymore.

02:57:52.000 Food stamp use climbs to record.

02:57:54.000 Reviving campaign issue.

02:57:57.000 46.7 million.

02:57:57.000 That's only one type.

02:57:58.000 It's more like 70 million are on partial food stamps.

02:58:01.000 Let's continue.

02:58:03.000 Chart of the day.

02:58:03.000 803 years of global inflation.

02:58:07.000 803 years of global inflation.

02:58:08.000 And it shows how there's been as much inflation in the last 100 years As there had been in the 800, 900 years previous.

02:58:19.000 There's no inflation.

02:58:21.000 Continuing here with the news, ladies and gentlemen.

02:58:25.000 EU says Greeks should work six days a week.

02:58:28.000 CNBC, yeah, because they're lazy.

02:58:30.000 Most of that debt's the bankers, but they sign you onto their debt and then tell you how they're lazy.

02:58:35.000 Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. You are listening to GCN. - Visit GCNlive.com today.

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Alex Jones Show - September 21, 2012

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