Alex Jones Show - 20130405_Fri_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

00:00:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we are live. we are live.

00:00:41.000 It is Friday, the fifth day already, hard to believe, of April 2013, and we are going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:53.000 I've got Chuck Baldwin, a former Constitution Party candidate, joining us, coming up at the bottom of the next hour to get into the Southern Baptist Convention.

00:01:06.000 The official Vatican newspapers here in the United States, you name it, calling for an abolition of the Second Amendment.

00:01:14.000 Absolutely state-run, government-controlled religious groups in this country.

00:01:19.000 Truly despicable.

00:01:22.000 And if so-called Christians put up with this, next they won't just be saying abortion's good, they'll be saying human sacrifice is good. 0.76

00:01:29.000 And I'm not joking when I say that.

00:01:33.000 I see an Associated Press headline.

00:01:35.000 They're restricting the use of the term Islamicist.

00:01:39.000 Can't even call Al Qaeda terrorists now, because they're the good guys overthrowing Libya and Syria, and now you can call anybody that wants liberty a right-wing extremist or a constitutionalist and extremist.

00:01:54.000 That's the new bad group, officially.

00:01:56.000 And I'm going to be getting more into this case of this family who are our listeners.

00:02:01.000 We've confirmed it in Florida.

00:02:03.000 All over the news, kidnapped children Government extremists, anti-government extremists kidnap children.

00:02:11.000 Yes, their own children.

00:02:14.000 They claim they took their children, their two little boys, because they found a small amount of marijuana.

00:02:24.000 The government's going to take your children for a small amount of marijuana and they hadn't gotten them back over a year later.

00:02:31.000 That is a predatory government that publicly grows the opium and loads it on the C-130s in Afghanistan to fly heroin into America onto the streets and into your sons' and daughters' veins. 0.58

00:02:44.000 This is a totally sickening joke.

00:02:47.000 But, again, everybody knows the government deals drugs.

00:02:49.000 They have congressional hearings admitting it.

00:02:52.000 And then they have a public policy poll going, do you believe the conspiracy theory the government's involved in drugs?

00:02:59.000 I mean, they've busted I've had Serpico on.

00:03:03.000 He said everyone in the narcotics division of the detectives, everyone but him, was dealing drugs.

00:03:10.000 Everyone.

00:03:11.000 And he wouldn't do it, so they shot him in the face.

00:03:14.000 Frank Serpico.

00:03:17.000 I grew up and the police dealt the drugs.

00:03:20.000 And I didn't use them.

00:03:21.000 I tried one or two and hated the way it made me feel.

00:03:24.000 I'm like, I feel terrible when I'm on this.

00:03:26.000 The next day I feel like I was run over by a truck.

00:03:28.000 No thank you.

00:03:30.000 And I'd say, what are you doing raiding our party saying you're looking for drugs? 0.54

00:03:34.000 You sell drugs.

00:03:35.000 Oh, did I go to jail or did I go to jail? 0.75

00:03:42.000 And I mean, I'm just calling all the bull.

00:03:44.000 I'm done.

00:03:45.000 I'm done.

00:03:46.000 I'm calling it all.

00:03:48.000 I'm done.

00:03:48.000 I mean, I physically didn't even get angry yesterday.

00:03:52.000 I got physically ill.

00:03:54.000 Yesterday, watching all the newscasts, just talking trash about two parents that had the will and the courage to get their kids back from an evil government.

00:04:02.000 I mean, if you saved somebody from a Nazi death camp, you better believe it was on the radio that terrorists had stolen, you know, a prisoner. 0.60

00:04:11.000 I mean, if aliens sat down in flying saucers and said, anyone that doesn't help us are terrorists, I guarantee you, your neighbors, if you were against the aliens, would rat you out to them.

00:04:21.000 Guaranteed!

00:04:22.000 Guaranteed!

00:04:25.000 I'd say half the public.

00:04:27.000 If blood-drinking aliens landed and said, give us children to stick a straw in and drink their blood, and we won't kill you, your neighbors would come grab your children and deliver them, bowing to the aliens.

00:04:39.000 Oh, great bobble snap. 0.95

00:04:41.000 Here is the child, drink their blood.

00:04:43.000 I mean, I'm serious.

00:04:44.000 I'm serious.

00:04:45.000 These are collaborator enemies!

00:04:48.000 And just, we need to call them out for what they are, break the trance and realize, we got tyranny running wild, and now it wants to shut down the real media.

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00:08:03.000 Live from Austin, Texas, broadcasting worldwide, it's Alex Jones.

00:08:11.000 I know you've been seeing me now, here's a surprise.

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00:08:35.000 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this fifth day of April 2013.

00:08:45.000 It is Friday, and coming up in the second half of the broadcast, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is going to be joining us to discuss all the major denominations, from Catholic to the Southern Baptist Convention, calling for the end of the Second Amendment and basically the end of America.

00:09:04.000 This is the great move ahead of the new global wars they're about to start, the implosion of the world economy in every nationally sovereign state, and the ushering in of the one world government.

00:09:18.000 And the church is all lining up again to worship abortion, to worship gun control, to worship the end of marriage, to just worship tyranny, period, and to openly call for world government, as the Vatican is now doing.

00:09:31.000 Here is the CNN headline report.

00:09:34.000 North Korea loads missiles onto launchers.

00:09:39.000 And they're talking about nuclear war by next Wednesday.

00:09:43.000 Yes, ladies and gentlemen, they're talking about nuclear war.

00:09:47.000 We're not talking about nuclear war.

00:09:49.000 The establishment is.

00:09:50.000 Two medium-range missiles have been loaded onto mobile launchers in North Korea and are ready to be launched.

00:09:57.000 South Korea's semi-official Yonhap News Agency reported today.

00:10:02.000 Citing military sources in Seoul.

00:10:05.000 By the way, we have a correspondent in Seoul, South Korea, and we're working on that right now.

00:10:11.000 A U.S. 0.66

00:10:12.000 official, not a servant, but official, with direct knowledge of the information, told CNN on Thursday that missiles and launch components have been moved to the east coast of North Korea in the last few days.

00:10:24.000 And again, that would be able to target uh... the west coast of the united states uh... or be able to obviously hit japan is much closer in response south korea has sent aegis destroyers equipment advanced radar systems in the both its coast yonhap said citing navy sources the apparent deployment comes amid further threatening statements by north korea and heightening tensions in the region a situation that does not need to get any hotter u.s.

00:10:49.000 state department said why did the state department authorize of the u n then in the mid nineties ABB, the nuclear reactor company, the multinational company, headed by Donald Rumsfeld to transfer the reactors to him to get the fissile material to make the atomic bomb warheads.

00:11:06.000 Primitive warheads.

00:11:07.000 The 1950s...

00:11:11.000 Science level warheads.

00:11:12.000 Why was that done when there were reactors they could have been, quote, given the last time they were holding the world hostage?

00:11:18.000 Oh, you're threatening war with the south of conventional weapons.

00:11:21.000 Here, let us give you reactors to make A-bombs. 0.59

00:11:26.000 I guarantee you when we're in some new giant wars with Al-Qaeda that's being given the entire Middle East right now, a year from now, two years from now, three years from now, four years from now, it will be a conspiracy theory that the West put Al-Qaeda in those countries.

00:11:41.000 It'll be, how dare Alex Jones claim Al Qaeda was put in by us?

00:11:47.000 And I'll be like, I have LA Times, Associated Press, Reuters, CFR from 2010, 11, and 12, 13. 0.99

00:11:53.000 Shut up, traitor! 0.99

00:11:53.000 You hear that? 0.99

00:11:55.000 Shut up, traitor! 1.00

00:11:57.000 Yeah, there's London Guardian dealing with the... 1.00

00:12:08.000 That's talking about in 2000, him transferring stuff to him.

00:12:11.000 He was doing it in 1995-96.

00:12:13.000 Anyways, it's just having a memory in a culture of people that don't even know which end is up, it's really weird.

00:12:22.000 I mean, I guess I'm a heretic.

00:12:24.000 Because I know sodium fluoride and the levels they put in the water and food are increasing cancer.

00:12:29.000 They admit it.

00:12:30.000 I know they're putting bisphenol in the plastics, in that type of plastic, to reduce fertility.

00:12:37.000 The White House Czar brags about it.

00:12:39.000 John P. Holdren.

00:12:40.000 I mean, I know they're doing all this.

00:12:42.000 I know they're bad.

00:12:44.000 I know they plan to bring in global crises to sell total tyranny and the shutdown of the alternative media as the answer.

00:12:52.000 And the shutdown of the old web with the new controlled internet.

00:12:55.000 It's all being announced.

00:12:57.000 It's all happening.

00:12:59.000 They're going to take your pension funds, all of it.

00:13:03.000 All of it.

00:13:04.000 You can have no independence.

00:13:06.000 All of your pension fund, public or private, will be taken.

00:13:09.000 All of your bank accounts will be taken.

00:13:11.000 And then your life will be taken.

00:13:14.000 How do I know that?

00:13:15.000 That's how tyrannies work. 1.00

00:13:17.000 If they can get any of it, they're going to get it all.

00:13:19.000 What did I say three weeks ago when the Cyprus thing started?

00:13:22.000 I said, if they can get 10%, people are like, how dare you say that?

00:13:26.000 They're not taking any money.

00:13:27.000 That was the first response.

00:13:28.000 It couldn't be true.

00:13:30.000 I was reporting on Foreign Press. 0.99

00:13:31.000 First few days, you're a liar, Alex. 0.98

00:13:33.000 On my own website, InfoWars.com, the comments of trolls and spammers, Alex, you're making it up. 0.97

00:13:38.000 Okay, they are taking the money, 7.5%. 1.00

00:13:41.000 It's not 10%, you dirty liar.

00:13:45.000 Because they were covering articles from days before, it was then 10%, then it was 20, then it was 30, then it was 40, then it was 50, then it was 60, then it was 70, then it was 80, then it was 90, then it was all the money out of your bank account.

00:13:58.000 For many of the people that had accounts, the lowest number was 40% out of your bank account.

00:14:03.000 And now they're saying they're going to take more.

00:14:05.000 And you notice at first they were like, yeah, tough bailout for snipers, but it's what it needs.

00:14:11.000 Fox News reporting.

00:14:12.000 You know, I'm Shepard Smith or whatever his name is.

00:14:18.000 That's right.

00:14:18.000 And then a few days later, now they call it a bailout.

00:14:21.000 They don't even say money out of the accounts on CNN, Fox, MSNBC.

00:14:27.000 That's how it works, you see, and now it's a conspiracy theory.

00:14:31.000 They didn't take money out in Cyprus.

00:14:33.000 There's not two billion bullets.

00:14:37.000 And of course, then it turned out that they sold it as, we're going to get the rich people's money when it was actually the poor people.

00:14:42.000 Turns out, hundreds and hundreds of mega-rich that had their money there, all their money was taken out in the weeks and months before.

00:14:51.000 Reuters reported, oh, but I forgot it doesn't exist.

00:14:54.000 I mean, this is the crazy land That we've gotten to.

00:15:00.000 So they're now loading missiles onto the launchers.

00:15:03.000 All embassies told to evacuate staff from North Korea.

00:15:06.000 The British are pulling out. 0.99

00:15:12.000 That is the type of information that is unfolding right now.

00:15:19.000 And maybe this is like all the last threats.

00:15:21.000 You know, remember Homeland Security about a month and a half ago?

00:15:25.000 They were talking about cutting Homeland Security's ever-growing budget, just to cut the growth of it.

00:15:33.000 Just hundreds of billions of dollars a year, conservatively.

00:15:36.000 They said, we're just going to cut a few billion of your growth.

00:15:38.000 And they said, okay, terrorists will hit us.

00:15:43.000 Al-Qaeda, working with the Tea Party, remember that was the headline, is going to hit America. 0.94

00:15:49.000 And if anybody could think they'd go, the Tea Party's made up of mainly Islamophobes, who gave up all their rights, believing they were going to fight Al-Qaeda.

00:15:57.000 Now the government publicly runs Al-Qaeda, so they're flipping it over to the Patriot movement, is the terrorist.

00:16:03.000 But they came out and said, well who's going to hit us?

00:16:06.000 Right-wingers working with Al-Qaeda.

00:16:08.000 Haven't you seen all the new dramas on ABC, CBS, and Fox?

00:16:16.000 And Spike TV and everywhere else.

00:16:18.000 I mean, on all the shows the killers are gun owner patriots.

00:16:26.000 Haven't you seen the medical shows?

00:16:29.000 And then the cops are out there and there's a tea party event in Louisiana.

00:16:39.000 And people are visiting from Florida, husband and wife who are engineers who have two little boys.

00:16:43.000 So they raid the rooms of the people.

00:16:44.000 This is an anti-government thing.

00:16:46.000 You're not allowed to have a tea party event at the hotel with speakers.

00:16:49.000 You know, good agents, you know, good maids went in and dug through stuff, you know, in the free country and claim they found less than a gram of marijuana.

00:16:58.000 And a pipe.

00:16:59.000 And so the children were taken, thank God, in our free country.

00:17:03.000 If they catch you with marijuana, your children are taken.

00:17:06.000 Air Force veterans, no criminal record.

00:17:09.000 And then a year later, you know, the government has the kids.

00:17:12.000 And then now the parents went and took their kids back.

00:17:15.000 Oh my gosh, can you imagine?

00:17:17.000 You know, there's only one thing worse than that.

00:17:18.000 One time I went in the garage, and usually if I left the door open and forget to close it at night, raccoons go in and try to find the dog food.

00:17:27.000 And the most evil thing that you've ever seen happens.

00:17:31.000 If there's a mama raccoon or daddy raccoon in the garage, they're not mean about it.

00:17:36.000 They'll just kind of run out.

00:17:38.000 But if they brought their babies in with them and you try to get close, They just get their back against the wall, they won't leave, and they start hissing and growling at you.

00:17:46.000 And if you go up to them, they will attack you and bite you. 0.96

00:17:49.000 And I think all raccoons should be executed, hunted down, and put in FEMA camps, because there's nothing worse than wanting your babies to be safe. 1.00

00:17:58.000 There's nothing worse than a parent wanting to be with their child. 0.99

00:18:05.000 I mean, I think abortion is great in this country. 1.00

00:18:08.000 I think it's great we've killed 53 million babies. 0.92

00:18:11.000 I think it's great now the Journal of Bioethics is calling to kill babies up to age 3. 0.97

00:18:16.000 I think it's great they're calling for death panels of old people. 1.00

00:18:19.000 And I think it's great that all over the country, I know people, I'll be in a restaurant listening or I was at Barton Springs once and heard a couple going, it's just terrible.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, I can't believe it.

00:18:31.000 I mean, no criminal record.

00:18:33.000 He's a professor.

00:18:34.000 She's a scientist.

00:18:35.000 She went in to have her second child.

00:18:36.000 They claim they found marijuana in her system.

00:18:38.000 They took both their kids.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, it's been two months.

00:18:41.000 They hadn't seen them.

00:18:42.000 And they're ending parental rights.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

00:18:46.000 And then I'm in a restaurant and I start talking to the people.

00:18:48.000 Or I'm in a restaurant and hear them going, yeah.

00:18:51.000 They pulled him over and he had some marijuana in the car.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:55.000 So they went to the house and took their kids.

00:18:57.000 I mean, folks, this is... The government ships the drugs in.

00:19:01.000 It's trying to put your kids on Ritalin and Prozac-type drugs that are deadly and cause heart palpitations, heart expansion, brain shrinkage, retardation of growth, mental illness. 1.00

00:19:11.000 I mean, it's speed.

00:19:13.000 It's hallucinogens.

00:19:14.000 They're putting deadly shots in the kids.

00:19:17.000 Cancer is exploding off the chart.

00:19:19.000 Wood alcohol, aspartame, in all the sugar candies now.

00:19:22.000 You can't even, not just find gum, but it's now going in milk.

00:19:26.000 Unlabeled, aspartame, wood alcohol.

00:19:28.000 It breaks down to wood alcohol at 87 degrees.

00:19:30.000 The body's 98 plus.

00:19:32.000 I mean, they're just murdering a ship. 0.82

00:19:34.000 But oh, let them find you with marijuana.

00:19:37.000 That's why they want to act like marijuana is legalized, so you go and get it so they can take your kids. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Marijuana is more illegal now than it's ever been.

00:19:45.000 Do not smoke it.

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00:24:09.000 Look what's posted on Piers Morgan's lawn.

00:24:12.000 The last time we had the Veritas Project on, the folks that brought down Aker and they told me off-air they were going to go to his house.

00:24:19.000 Pure genius.

00:24:20.000 Real reporting.

00:24:21.000 Look what's posted on Piers Morgan's lawn.

00:24:26.000 Sting video snags CNN advocate on grabbing guns.

00:24:30.000 He has an armed response security system.

00:24:34.000 So he has armed guards, ladies and gentlemen.

00:24:37.000 That's a very expensive Security to have.

00:24:43.000 We've actually looked at it for our office, but why not just have us armed?

00:24:47.000 So basically retired police generally or military with special permits for armed response for LA.

00:24:55.000 They show up to his house.

00:24:57.000 Armed response.

00:24:58.000 Piers Morgan, the resident gun control advocate of CNN, protects his own personal property with signs warning That it is guaranteed by an armed response security services, according to a new investigation by self-described guerrilla journalist James O'Keefe of the Project Veritas.

00:25:16.000 It's known for his undercover video operations.

00:25:19.000 He recently exposed how journalists with a newspaper that revealed the addresses of gun permit holders in the New York City were unwilling to take a dose of their own medicine to declare their homes gun-free zones.

00:25:31.000 I'm telling you, these guys are the model of journalism.

00:25:36.000 It's funny, I was talking to him off air about some stuff and I said, yeah, you know, you ought to go out and show Piers Morgan's bodyguards.

00:25:44.000 And they said, actually, we're on that.

00:25:46.000 We're going there next week, but don't tell anybody.

00:25:48.000 It's just like, bam.

00:25:51.000 And I'll be honest with you, I've actually got reporters going out to L.A.

00:25:55.000 They've scooped us, I'm more than happy.

00:25:57.000 We got guys going in, well, I'm not going to say when, and that's on their list, is to I gotta love it, man.

00:26:07.000 You gotta love it.

00:26:08.000 You gotta absolutely love it. 0.99

00:26:09.000 I mean, that's how you deal with these hypocrites. 0.97

00:26:12.000 And that's why they're so upset about the alternative media. 0.94

00:26:15.000 In fact, Fox News is asking, is Drudge on the White House enemies list?

00:26:21.000 And of course, the answer is yes, it came out What, three years ago, in the news, that I'm on the enemy's list, Drudge is on the enemy's list.

00:26:30.000 Oh, Breitbart's on there, but you can scratch him off.

00:26:33.000 Guess they got him.

00:26:35.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:26:36.000 They just announced how he died 45 minutes after he was at the hospital.

00:26:39.000 That's just a telltale sign when they tell you that there's no...

00:26:46.000 No foul play immediately that you've got some really suspicious stuff going on.

00:26:50.000 But again, here's the good news in all of this.

00:26:53.000 They wouldn't be freaking out.

00:26:56.000 They wouldn't be Coming after us with all their government-controlled organs like Media Matters, ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center, MSNBC, CNN.

00:27:06.000 They wouldn't be demonizing Infowars.com if we weren't effective.

00:27:11.000 So, there's the good news.

00:27:13.000 You know, my grandpa was in the Army Air Corps.

00:27:17.000 They had an old saying.

00:27:20.000 He was flying out of North Africa into Italy, and then after they took over Italy, he was on the ground there.

00:27:24.000 But the point is, did his 22 missions, was that they had an old saying, how do you know when you're over the target?

00:27:30.000 It's when you're getting the flack.

00:27:32.000 Because they put the flack around the factories and around the military bases.

00:27:36.000 They put the big anti-aircraft guns, and then they're shrapnel.

00:27:40.000 They're like...

00:27:42.000 Shells that go up and explode, and they've got a bunch of pieces falling at hundreds of miles an hour through the air, meant to knock out your windshields, go through your engines.

00:27:53.000 And so how did you know where to bomb?

00:27:55.000 Where you saw the flak coming up.

00:27:58.000 You had to fly into the cloud of flak.

00:28:03.000 And so where do you see the flak going up?

00:28:06.000 Where do you see the flak coming in?

00:28:09.000 The only real media in this country.

00:28:11.000 Does that mean I'm perfect?

00:28:12.000 No.

00:28:12.000 Does it mean these other sites are perfect, like DrugsReport.com?

00:28:15.000 No.

00:28:16.000 But you better believe, and you better think you're lucky stars, that InfoWars.com, and PrisonPlanet.com, and InfoWarsNightlyNews, and this syndicated radio show, and our AM and FM affiliates are out there.

00:28:27.000 Because the show's growing.

00:28:29.000 But all the time, we'll be number one rated in the city.

00:28:33.000 Or number two rated in the city.

00:28:35.000 And they'll switch formats.

00:28:36.000 Big Money comes in and says, we'll pay you triple what you're making to put ESPN on and get rid of Alex Jones and this talk radio lineup in Orlando.

00:28:45.000 They'll come in and they'll say, you know what, money on the table.

00:28:48.000 Take Alex Jones off in Dallas.

00:28:50.000 Just getting listeners isn't all it takes, ladies and gentlemen.

00:28:55.000 I've gone uphill.

00:28:58.000 Uphill battle for 18, almost 18 years.

00:29:01.000 I don't know, 1995, how many years is that?

00:29:03.000 It's not quite 18, it's almost 18.

00:29:06.000 For 18 years, ladies and gentlemen, just to get the platform we've got, and we've got the White House breathing down our neck, and if they could get local police to be corrupt and set us up, they would.

00:29:19.000 I wouldn't last living in New York, guaranteed.

00:29:22.000 I wouldn't last living in LA, folks.

00:29:24.000 Okay?

00:29:27.000 I've even moved to a town outside Austin, because I know what I'm doing.

00:29:32.000 But the whole point here is, ladies and gentlemen, that, understand, we're going in against the Death Star here in X-Wings.

00:29:40.000 I mean, I hope you realize what you're watching here.

00:29:42.000 Because there's not much opposition to this.

00:29:45.000 We'll be right back.

00:29:50.000 We're on the march.

00:29:51.000 The Empire's on the run.

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00:32:00.000 Alex Jones here with a message to fellow freedom lovers.

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00:32:56.000 We're getting prepared.

00:32:57.000 Are you?

00:32:58.000 InfoWarshop.com We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.

00:33:07.000 It's not about keeping guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.

00:33:11.000 And I'm sick and tired of people lying to the American people.

00:33:14.000 We can't have a totally armed society.

00:33:18.000 We're not proposing a gun registration system, we're proposing background checks for criminals.

00:33:24.000 In the spirit of gun control, will you disarm your entire security team?

00:33:28.000 Uh, we'll get right back to you.

00:33:29.000 You'll get back to me?

00:33:30.000 Hitler took the guns. 0.59

00:33:31.000 Stalin took the guns.

00:33:33.000 Mao took the guns.

00:33:34.000 Fidel Castro took the guns.

00:33:35.000 Hugo Chavez took the guns.

00:33:37.000 And I'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms.

00:33:42.000 Doesn't matter how many lemmings you get out there on the street begging for them to have their guns taken. 1.00

00:33:47.000 We will not relinquish them.

00:33:48.000 Do you understand?

00:33:49.000 The answer to 1984 is 1776.

00:33:51.000 1984 is 1776.

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00:35:01.000 There's not a lot of real opposition to the globalists and the crime syndicate.

00:35:05.000 But the opposition that's there, Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, WorldNetDaily.com, DrudgeReport.com, we are all on the White House enemies list that came out years ago.

00:35:17.000 They are freaking out.

00:35:18.000 It's coming out on C-SPAN that they're tracking what we're doing.

00:35:21.000 They're upset about what's going on.

00:35:23.000 They're saying the news on drudge is causing us problems.

00:35:27.000 Because they cannot control the narrative anymore.

00:35:29.000 They say, they're not two billion bullets, there's no armored vehicles, there's no move towards a police state.

00:35:35.000 Fast and Furious didn't happen, we keep reporting it, then they have to admit it was a false flag.

00:35:41.000 It's all coming out.

00:35:43.000 They have to have their takeover in a vacuum where there's no resistance.

00:35:48.000 We're resisting.

00:35:50.000 We have the truth.

00:35:51.000 They're losing credibility.

00:35:52.000 MSNBC's top shows, a million viewers.

00:35:55.000 CNN's top shows, 500-600,000 viewers.

00:35:58.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we have 3 million listeners a day.

00:36:02.000 I'm not bragging.

00:36:03.000 I'm saying I'm in danger.

00:36:04.000 You're in danger.

00:36:05.000 We're all in danger if we don't take action.

00:36:08.000 Because we're actually having an effect on these people.

00:36:11.000 History isn't just evil.

00:36:13.000 History has multi-facets.

00:36:14.000 Those that aren't informed, those that are informed, the mercenaries, the truly evil, the truly virtuous.

00:36:21.000 There's a lot of different factions out there, and there are different currents in this universe.

00:36:25.000 You need to stand up for liberty, and evil will vanish like tyrants at daybreak, like mist, like phantoms at daybreak, to quote Thomas Jefferson.

00:36:40.000 We've got purges against gun owners and veterans.

00:36:43.000 Veterans who've had their arms and legs blown off or having their kids taken.

00:36:46.000 Veterans that are caught with even half a marijuana cigarette or having their children taken.

00:36:50.000 Veterans are having their guns taken en masse.

00:36:52.000 There is a domestic purge like Nazi Germany started with groups that were unpopular at first and expanded on to everyone.

00:37:00.000 I've studied tyranny.

00:37:01.000 It's happening next hour.

00:37:03.000 I'm going to get into that.

00:37:03.000 But a big surprise.

00:37:05.000 He's a smart guy.

00:37:06.000 He knows he's monitored.

00:37:08.000 So he was smart to get out of the country and then contact us.

00:37:11.000 He said, I'm going to have a surprise for you next week.

00:37:13.000 I'm an expert on Korea.

00:37:15.000 And I knew he was.

00:37:15.000 He helped write Tom Clancy's books, co-authored them, has had a lot of his books turned into major hit motion pictures.

00:37:22.000 He has multiple degrees from MIT and Harvard.

00:37:25.000 I don't have his bio here in front of me today.

00:37:28.000 And did write the book on modern psychological warfare for the State Department that was picked up by the CIA and others.

00:37:34.000 He's negotiated major hostage rescue operations.

00:37:38.000 He's run PSYOPs.

00:37:39.000 He's brought down foreign governments.

00:37:41.000 That's all on record.

00:37:42.000 He won't brag about it, but you can Google Dr. Steve Pachinic and find news articles about him.

00:37:47.000 And no one's seen what he looks like in about 20 years either.

00:37:50.000 But we got a photo from him about 30 years ago.

00:37:54.000 And of course he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations as well.

00:37:57.000 But as he says, a mole in there against the globalists.

00:38:00.000 He exposes that Bin Laden was already dead, other false flags.

00:38:04.000 And we get his email.

00:38:05.000 We call the hotel.

00:38:07.000 Now he's out on the DMZ.

00:38:09.000 Dr. Steve Pachenik is There was a sandstorm coming in out of the desert on the DMZ.

00:38:16.000 He's watching troops coming in right now and he can give you what he believes is the inside intel scoop from his contacts on what's really happening with the biggest crisis The biggest saber-rattling in the 60-year conflict, an ongoing conflict, that is the North-South Korea proxy situation.

00:38:36.000 So I'm going to give him the floor now.

00:38:38.000 Joining us from somewhere in South Korea, right on the DMZ, he is there.

00:38:44.000 Dr. Pachinik, thank you for going there and reporting for us.

00:38:47.000 Well, thank you, Alex, and thank you, America, for listening to me.

00:38:51.000 I was tapping on last week's show.

00:38:53.000 I was on Monday, and we talked about standouts and all the other false flags.

00:38:58.000 But I didn't want to give you the surprise that I knew the next day I would be headed out on my own money, my own time, without any assistance from anybody, straight into Seoul, Korea, and up to the DMZ right now.

00:39:09.000 I'm on the DMZ.

00:39:11.000 It's about 2, 140 a.m.

00:39:13.000 in the morning on Saturday.

00:39:15.000 So we're 11 hours ahead.

00:39:17.000 What I see is a huge sandstorm coming in from the Gobi Desert of China.

00:39:22.000 And in a way that really is the metaphor for what's happening in Korea.

00:39:27.000 China is the primary mover of North Korea. 0.90

00:39:31.000 China is the responsible agent that creates Kim Jong-il, Kim Il-sung, and Kim Jong-un. 0.98

00:39:38.000 The reason I went here was to show the American public in real time, only through Alex Jones, how distorted our representation is of the media, how inappropriate and how agitation propaganda is being played through CNN, which I woke up to, and it was unbelievable.

00:39:57.000 Wolf Blitzer, Farrakhan, Amanpour, all the people that we talked about who don't know absolutely nothing, are being told by our military and our government To create a sense of panic and agitation that there would be a nuclear missile strike somewhere on the Pacific, possibly near Seattle, possibly on the East Coast, but the entire scenario is totally false.

00:40:21.000 Well, I'm here, unofficially, but the Korean government has not stopped me because I've worked with them.

00:40:27.000 Let me explain a little bit of my history.

00:40:28.000 It's not just that I wrote about North Korea.

00:40:31.000 And I was here, but I was Deputy Assistant Secretary of East Asia, which meant that Korea was under my jurisdiction.

00:40:37.000 And I was the first, the first person to actually work with, in the 1980s, a man by the name of Chun Doo-won, Noh Tae-woo.

00:40:45.000 Our own government didn't really remember this.

00:40:48.000 And what that meant, in simple language, was I was able to help the military government of South Korea.

00:40:55.000 That's the present president, a lady whose name is Park.

00:40:59.000 Who's father was assassinated in a military coup.

00:41:02.000 I was able, with the assistance of the U.S.

00:41:04.000 government, to transform the entire country of South Korea in the 1980s from a military dictatorship to a civilian one.

00:41:12.000 And then eventually brought in directly Kim Jong-Som and Kim Dae-Jong.

00:41:18.000 There's a lot of names here, but those in the world will understand it in the South Koreans.

00:41:23.000 I'm here in the DMZ zone, an unidentified area.

00:41:26.000 I've been supported by the South Korean informally, through my guides and others, but I've had the opportunity, and the unique one, and the reason I've done this, to really be able to co-op and to explain to the Americans, only through the Alex Jones Show, and Alex and I are being paid.

00:41:42.000 This goes back to our friendship and to the belief I have in that he's the only media that I can get the real truth.

00:41:48.000 And as I'm seeing it now, I see brigades, possible brigades, about 5,000 to 10,000, 15,000 young South Korean soldiers moving in concert with half-tracks.

00:42:02.000 and tanks.

00:42:03.000 The tanks are old, they're not modern.

00:42:06.000 I interviewed, even though the military did not want to work with me, I asked for a formal request, although I came in very quickly to the Republic of Korea Army, which I knew very well because I knew all of their generals.

00:42:17.000 So you have to remember, America, that 20 to 30 years ago, Korea, South Korea, was run by a military dictatorship.

00:42:25.000 The dictatorship was assassinated.

00:42:27.000 I was not involved in it.

00:42:29.000 What I was involved in was transforming the dictatorship into civilian government.

00:42:34.000 And now the leader of South Korea is a very elegant, very competent woman who is the daughter of the man who was the leading dictator by the name of Ms.

00:42:44.000 Park.

00:42:45.000 She in no way has interfered with my work.

00:42:47.000 I was provided with a guy who speaks English, Russian, Japanese, and is extremely knowledgeable and is head of the major companies here.

00:42:56.000 And he, I recruited him very quickly.

00:42:59.000 He may be KCIA, he may not, but we went immediately up to the DMZ zone.

00:43:05.000 I'm near the DMZ zone.

00:43:06.000 I see the half-tracks coming in with tanks.

00:43:09.000 The tanks are very low quality.

00:43:11.000 They're not M1 Abrams.

00:43:12.000 They're very sophisticated ones.

00:43:14.000 But most importantly, I want to express the spree, the joy, and kind of the sadness of when you see young men going to war.

00:43:24.000 When I was drafted, I was 24, 25.

00:43:26.000 What Alex was telling you, these young kids had mandatory two-year service in the Republic of Korea Army, which is a very effective army.

00:43:36.000 In the old days, we had to hold back.

00:43:38.000 P.L.O.

00:43:39.000 meant Petroleum Lubricant and Oil because the South Korean Army was very effective and if we didn't hold them back they were attacked across the DMZ.

00:43:39.000 P.L.O.

00:43:47.000 So you have to imagine Korea being split in half with a line of control where on the one side the North Koreans have 2.2 million military soldiers with antiquated equipment and old generals who come out of the communist regime who were trained by Kim Il-sung Now Kim Il-sung was the father of North Korea. 0.56

00:44:08.000 The reason they say he's crazy or it was inappropriate is wrong.

00:44:12.000 Kim Il-sung was a very famous fighter against the Japanese occupation.

00:44:18.000 And to understand the history of Japan, of Korea, you have to understand that Korea was slaughtered by Japanese rule over a 35-year period, starting from 1915 to 1945, where the Japanese still do not want to apologize to Korea, and where they used the women of Korea, raped them, pillaged them, came and brought them to Japan to serve as service women. 0.61

00:44:43.000 Japan will not apologize for this, and very few Koreans in South Korea will ever forget what Japan has done. 0.97

00:44:49.000 Despite the fact that Japan is now doing business.

00:44:53.000 They created hundreds of thousands of the ghost children.

00:44:56.000 So you've given us background.

00:44:57.000 I know you are a leading Korea peninsula expert.

00:45:00.000 You were telling me off-air this is a giant sci-op, multi-faceted.

00:45:05.000 Who's behind it?

00:45:06.000 What's the master plan Dr. Pachinik?

00:45:08.000 Here's the major psyops.

00:45:09.000 The major psyops is we have had our army involved in several basically failed wars.

00:45:18.000 We had them invaded into Iraq, as you know from Bush.

00:45:21.000 We had the invasion of Afghanistan thanks to Obama.

00:45:25.000 And we've had incursions into various Middle East countries.

00:45:29.000 All have failed.

00:45:30.000 We also have to remember that the U.S.

00:45:32.000 Army failed in the war in Korea and that the only general who brought it forth and made peace on the DMZ was General Eisenhower.

00:45:40.000 So it took a military man to bring peace.

00:45:43.000 What really happened now was I anticipated that because the Navy was not involved in any of the prior incursions in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and only served as a deterrent in the Mediterranean and in the, basically, the oil companies denying any access to so-called terrorists, which really weren't there.

00:46:05.000 They immediately switched to Asia, as we began to get involved with Asian denial of access in the Straits of Malacca, and instigated the Japanese militaristic empire.

00:46:17.000 And at the same time, we were forcing the Chinese in our confrontation to force the North Koreans. 0.94

00:46:25.000 So it's a kind of kabuki.

00:46:29.000 Concentrated efforts on the part of the United States, North Korea, South Korea and China, which I have seen for over 35 years.

00:46:37.000 What happens usually is that the leader of North Korea, at the instigation of China, because of our relationships that become poor, as our relationship with China becomes poor, China starts to act out and then informs North Korea to do something that seems silly or very dangerous or self-destructive.

00:46:59.000 In the meantime, we know very well everything about Kim Jong-un, the new leader.

00:47:05.000 He has been in Switzerland for 15 years.

00:47:08.000 He was a very poor student, extremely shy, very loved basketball, but in fact was never trained to either be a leader of the Communist Party or, as they call him, the commissioner or the master planner and master soldier of the DPRK or the Korean Army.

00:47:28.000 So I knew that basically we had a phantom army We had a paper tiger in the U.S.

00:47:34.000 and we had basically a very strong China, which where we all played and agreed that as our Navy went to the Asian course, we basically would start creating another strategic tension, as we had done with terrorism in 9-11, as we had done with Afghanistan, the Haqqani group in Afghanistan, as we had done the civil war in Pakistan, and as we now supporting the Salafists in Syria.

00:48:01.000 All of this is done in order to fulfill the mandates of our soldiers who have not been in duty and in action and need to have the action and test out their battle plans.

00:48:12.000 In effect, our military has been very ineffective.

00:48:16.000 There is no way, as I see it on the DNZ and having worked with previous generals all the way in Seoul, that you people have to understand that Seoul is only 30 miles away from the DNZ.

00:48:27.000 The DNZ is literally the demarcation where 2.2 million North Korean soldiers can invade in 30 miles and there is no army in the world, including the U.S. Army, Army, and they know that very, very well.

00:48:41.000 I've repeatedly went over this with several generals over 30 years, and I informed them that we are nothing more than what we call a tripwire.

00:48:49.000 In other words, U.S.

00:48:51.000 soldiers being placed here was an unnecessary expense on the behalf of the U.S.

00:48:56.000 public.

00:48:57.000 and the American presidents as a requirement for a tripwire.

00:49:01.000 That meant as soon as the North Koreans would attack into Seoul, which they never would do, and every South Korean knew that, then there would be total conflagration. 0.72

00:49:12.000 Well, that never happened in 30 years.

00:49:14.000 I knew Kim Il-sung.

00:49:15.000 I knew how ruthless he was, but he was very smart.

00:49:19.000 Am I correct in saying this is the greatest saber-rattling escalation, And why would the Chinese play along with the West? 0.98

00:49:27.000 I don't know.

00:49:28.000 I mean, I know at the high levels, I mean, there are globalists manipulating both sides, but what's the larger game?

00:49:34.000 Why is China playing along? 0.79

00:49:35.000 I mean, we know the shift a few years ago was the ships in the Pacific.

00:49:39.000 Uh, you know, the Middle East is to be given to Al-Qaeda. 0.95

00:49:41.000 Uh, there's, you know, to be a domestic crackdown on real Americans here.

00:49:45.000 That's the new war. 0.93

00:49:46.000 And then have real, uh, you know, confrontations with the Chinese while the globalists have invested everything in China.

00:49:54.000 Well, let's take away the word globalist.

00:49:56.000 What we do have here, and let me use another word, Alex, not to contradict you, but basically what we have in South Korea, unlike North Korea and even China, South Korea is the fastest growing country in the Asia.

00:50:10.000 It is the highest productivity with the lowest number of unemployment, and they have been producing products from Samsung to Hyundai and selling them all over the world.

00:50:19.000 It's the New Japan, it's the New Japan, the most connected It's beyond the New Japan.

00:50:23.000 It is so strong it can out-compete Japan. 0.96

00:50:26.000 Now let's get to China.

00:50:28.000 The reason we have this confrontation with China, which we facilitated and we deal directly with China, is the fact that we have a new leader in China named Xi Peng.

00:50:38.000 Xi Peng is a technocrat.

00:50:40.000 And much like Kim Jong-un, the new leader of North Korea, he is a spoiled, coddled, Prince Link. 0.68

00:50:49.000 In other words, in China, you have to remember there was always a one-son policy. 0.56

00:50:54.000 And he's the, so he's like the baby boomer of the vicious, demonic Chaikoms. 1.00

00:50:59.000 We'll be back with Dr. McShannock.

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00:54:26.000 so he can actually get some sleep.

00:54:28.000 So 6, 7 a.m., that'll be Sunday, 4 to 6 central.

00:54:31.000 He's there, and again, folks, this is what he's done.

00:54:35.000 This is the desk he was over for a while.

00:54:37.000 He's talked a lot about this.

00:54:38.000 It's well-known in the news media.

00:54:41.000 That that's what he did, and he was telling me off-air some interesting things.

00:54:44.000 What is the big picture here, Dr. Steve Pichening?

00:54:47.000 You're there with this crisis.

00:54:48.000 How real is the crisis?

00:54:50.000 What does this signify?

00:54:51.000 You were getting into the new Communist Party head there in China.

00:54:55.000 You agreed with me during the break that he is a giant, spoiled Communist baby boomer.

00:55:00.000 What this really signifies is our American inability, over 30 years South Korea has grown because of people like myself and others like Don Gregg, Jim Lindley, who worked here and really transformed this country from a military dictatorship to a civilian one.

00:55:16.000 What it also emphasizes is how poor and desperate North Korea is because we will not absorb, we the United States and China, will not absorb North Korea in a unification process into South Korea.

00:55:30.000 And the reason for that is that South Korean poverty and ineptness and communism, I've had experience with 30 years ago when I took down the Soviet Union, I took down East Germany and West Germany, and everybody knows in the U.S. 1.00

00:55:43.000 government, that if we were to take down quickly the North Korean government, which we are able to do by just not providing food and forcing the Chinese to break open their borders, we would have a major economic crisis.

00:55:57.000 So what this is, is a controlled agitation propaganda in order to maintain a soft landing.

00:56:03.000 Now, let me explain this to our American people.

00:56:06.000 The reason we work with the Chinese and the reason we work with the North Korean, because the American public doesn't realize we're supplying food in order to keep the people in North Korea at a subsistence level.

00:56:18.000 What's not possible and what's happening here is the frenzy of the American media and once again Obama and his White House and the ability of Secretary of State Gary to keep his mouth shut.

00:56:33.000 They have violated every principle of international crisis management which I developed, which others have worked with like Charles Hill and other administrations, and who know that in order to keep a crisis like this from escalating by accident, We keep the media away.

00:56:51.000 We don't discuss military equipment.

00:56:53.000 We don't get into the frenzy and warmongering of explaining what kind of missile systems the North Korean have, how they can shoot the missiles into the sky and get into the eastern, western part of California.

00:57:05.000 It is not possible.

00:57:07.000 The North Koreans have absolutely no capacity to develop a missile.

00:57:11.000 They can't even make an automobile.

00:57:13.000 They can't even... They drive 57 Chevys around.

00:57:17.000 They're a total joke.

00:57:18.000 It's a total joke.

00:57:19.000 They have a 2.2 military army and when I saw the equipment it hasn't changed.

00:57:23.000 Even now as I analyze the equipment with my guide and the DMZ and I can see the soldiers on this other side with binoculars.

00:57:32.000 You have 2.2 million soldiers who are really hungry, they're starving, they don't believe anymore in North Korea.

00:57:38.000 But what South Korea had done very brilliantly over the years with our encouragement was to create under Hyundai and Samsung Sure, they've used the threat to control their people.

00:57:49.000 Let me throw this at you.

00:57:50.000 Is it the real danger when the wall comes down?

00:57:53.000 And that if there's not a transition because the West wants to keep this going?

00:57:57.000 As always, Alex, you hit it right on the head, and we made that mistake.

00:58:01.000 I made that mistake, along with Baker and Zelleck, in the transformation in East Germany. 0.66

00:58:07.000 What we did not realize at the time when we brought in Communist Germany, which was even more economically advanced than North Korea, we had completely flooded the capability of the West Germans to handle 50,000 East Germans who didn't have work, didn't have jobs, weren't trained, weren't entrepreneurs, and basically lived at subsistence level. 0.71

00:58:32.000 It cost Germany and the United States a fortune.

00:58:35.000 Sure, so let's come back in one minute and talk about what's going to happen.

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00:59:59.000 Big Brother.

01:00:06.000 Mainstream media.

01:00:07.000 Government cover-ups.

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01:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

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01:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:22.000 It has been said by many a historian that war is the health of the state. 0.89

01:00:27.000 Our authoritarian state, the Chinese authoritarian state, the North Korean authoritarian state, the South Korean state, they all stand to gain on the surface from crises, diversions, but with a collapsing hermit kingdom of Stalinist scum oppressing and sitting on top of the little skeletons that they've almost sucked dry.

01:00:47.000 Could this all be jockeying for some new deal, for a new level of aid?

01:00:51.000 Because China doesn't want to do it. 0.99

01:00:52.000 Why not let the North fall, implode into China, really cause them some problems? 0.99

01:00:57.000 No, the globalists don't want that.

01:00:58.000 They want to use Mexico to implode into us instead. 0.97

01:01:01.000 But could this get out of control?

01:01:03.000 And I think what Pchenik said to me off-air is, they've got a bunch of Rubes and Boobs, a bunch of pirates, boobies, over there who don't know what they're doing. 0.86

01:01:12.000 In four minutes, Doc, you're back with us Sunday in the second hour.

01:01:15.000 You'll have more.

01:01:16.000 You're on the DMZ of Stuff Breaks.

01:01:17.000 If you want to stay up, we could do a Nightly News tonight.

01:01:20.000 I'd love you to email us some photos of what you're seeing.

01:01:22.000 That'd be powerful.

01:01:23.000 I'm sure you've got a snapshot digital phone.

01:01:26.000 What's the big danger then?

01:01:27.000 Could this be the North preparing to collapse?

01:01:30.000 Well, this is partly the North preparing to collapse, but I don't believe that's the real danger.

01:01:35.000 The real danger is China is in very serious trouble because China cannot control its internal security. 0.76

01:01:41.000 So in turn, China and its relationship with the United States and the fact that the United States think that correctly, Is supporting Japan and in the war between the United States, Japan, and China, China's only recourse is to instigate a very inappropriate agitation of North Korea, claiming that they can send missiles and all. 0.57

01:02:04.000 Our best recourse now is for a secretary of state and a president to cool everybody down, to shut down and warn CNN and all the media that if they don't stop and cease and desist to create agitation propaganda,

01:02:18.000 which is the first principle of international crisis management, and which is the first principle of international crisis management, and then they tell our own military generals to stop talking about missiles and construction of missiles, and they'll have the capability to do this and handle it in a quiet, discreet military fashion.

01:02:36.000 I have no problem if two Aegean missile system destroyers are coming in here. 0.95

01:02:42.000 The South Koreans have agreed with me.

01:02:44.000 They have no problem with two stealth bombers coming in or two stealth fighter fighters, but it has to be kept quiet.

01:02:51.000 The success of international crisis management in an inappropriate society like Kim Jong-un, whose brain I know very well, and contrary to the media where they hype it up and said only a psychiatrist would really understand him.

01:03:05.000 Well, here I am, the psychiatrist who really understands him and has 30 years of experience.

01:03:10.000 But our government, our media, our intelligence didn't want to hear anything I had to say, so I go to the only outlet and the only man and friend that I've had for 20 years who's allowed the truth to come out, and that is for us to tone down our rhetoric, stop the agitation propaganda, stop announcing what we're stop the agitation propaganda, stop announcing what we're doing.

01:03:29.000 We can quietly support Ms. Park, who's handling this situation extremely well, and I have to say the South Korean people.

01:03:37.000 All 30 million of them, very young, low below the age of 40, are making fun of us and saying yes.

01:03:44.000 Actually, the night before I was on the DMZ Zone, I had what we call the Last Supper, where everybody joked, we ate eel, we drank some Kampai, and we said, okay gentlemen, this is our Last Supper, when in fact we knew there was nothing that was to be dangerous.

01:03:58.000 Soul is moving, it's active.

01:04:00.000 It's clean.

01:04:01.000 It's appropriate.

01:04:02.000 The people are kind.

01:04:04.000 The children are kind.

01:04:05.000 No one is panicked.

01:04:07.000 But they find it disgusting that the United States government is creating, again, more crisis, more agitation, in order to serve the U.S.

01:04:15.000 purpose, the Chinese purpose, and to create another potential war. 0.98

01:04:20.000 The danger of all of this is because our president is so inept. 0.96

01:04:24.000 As we've seen in Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria, and because the White House is an old, antiquated bunch of people who have no experience whatsoever. 0.99

01:04:34.000 All right, well stop there.

01:04:35.000 I want to come back.

01:04:36.000 I've got another guest coming up, Chuck Baldwin, but Dr. Puccinich, you are a psychiatrist, a Harvard psychiatrist.

01:04:42.000 And you helped work the Camp David Accords.

01:04:44.000 I mean, you're famous for this.

01:04:46.000 Haas's negotiation, you name it.

01:04:47.000 I want you to come back and tell us the danger of hyping this and getting it out of control.

01:04:52.000 And I want you to briefly give us an analysis of Kim Jong-un, the Chinese leader as well, and the South Korean leader, and Obama.

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01:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:08:25.000 All right, again, thank you for joining us here on the second hour of this Friday edition, the fifth day of April, 2013.

01:08:32.000 I'll be back this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

01:08:34.000 Central, with the Sunday Show, many of our Aminevim affiliates that carry the Weekday show also carry the Sunday show, but you really should call XM and get them to pick up the Sunday show as well.

01:08:48.000 That's how we get on more AM and FM affiliates as well.

01:08:51.000 If you're listening on the internet or on satellite in your area and there's not a local AM or FM, call the local talk station, tell them, pick up the broadcast.

01:08:59.000 That's how we've gone over 150 affiliates and we're with a small syndicator.

01:09:04.000 The big three pretty much have a monopoly.

01:09:06.000 We have like salmon swum upstream.

01:09:09.000 And my point is, the White House responds to us, the globalists respond to us, the globalists respond to the Drudge Report.

01:09:16.000 More and more, there's only a few outlets that are really able to get real news out.

01:09:22.000 No one would know about the Copenhagen document that they plan to shut off the third world energy supplies and our energy supply if Infowars.com hadn't written about it with Lord Monckton and then DrudgeReport.com hadn't picked it up.

01:09:34.000 I mean, there's just hundreds of things like that.

01:09:36.000 No one would know about the bullets, the domestic arms buildup, all of this.

01:09:39.000 And listen to me, you've heard all the historians we've had on.

01:09:43.000 You've heard all the military historians, all the sociologists, all the anthropologists.

01:09:48.000 I am a person, because I enjoy it from a young age, I'm a person that's read psychology, anthropology, sociology, history.

01:09:57.000 So, it's not rocket science, though.

01:09:59.000 What we see forming worldwide is a decadent cascade event with corrupt, leveraged, disconnected leaders because of decadent, disconnected populations, not predominantly, but enough of it, to aid them and a government and corporate class that have become degenerate.

01:10:16.000 That's when world wars happen. 0.80

01:10:19.000 And we've told you that as the world economy melts down, as there's currency wars, physical wars will begin.

01:10:25.000 You notice they're now saying they're not going to call Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda.

01:10:28.000 They're not going to call them Islamist.

01:10:29.000 We're now told to call them good guys.

01:10:31.000 That's Associated Press today.

01:10:33.000 If you just join me, I'll go over the article.

01:10:35.000 That's because the globalists are going to use them as the new proxy army, because they're the old proxy army.

01:10:41.000 And we've got a guy on the line who was there with Jimmy Carter when all that started, and who knows Brzezinski, and he's a Psychiatrist and an MD.

01:10:50.000 He is an American psychiatrist, former State Department official, author and publisher.

01:10:53.000 He is currently acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the best-selling Tom Clancy Op Center and Tom Clancy's Net Force paperback series.

01:11:02.000 Trained in psychiatry at Harvard University and International Relations at MIT.

01:11:06.000 His novels are based on 20 years experience and the truth is, he won't ever talk about it on air, but you can go look at Overthrowing, Major governments, you know, get accredited to psych warfare, you know.

01:11:17.000 He won't talk about it.

01:11:19.000 Maybe it's not true.

01:11:20.000 The London Guardian says it is.

01:11:21.000 Tricking the communists to kill the Prime Minister, who they'd already captured.

01:11:25.000 I mean, things like that.

01:11:27.000 Really interesting guy, who only really pops up on this show because other places would censor him or control what he talks about.

01:11:33.000 We had him on in the last hour.

01:11:35.000 We've only got about nine minutes left here.

01:11:37.000 But he was the head of the desk over that area of Asia for a period of time.

01:11:42.000 He helped get rid, I remember this is on record, of the military dictatorship that was in South Korea for so long, and a transition.

01:11:50.000 He's there on his own, with a guide, given to him by the government, up on the DMZ right now.

01:11:55.000 I want you briefly to go over the mindset of Kim Jong-un.

01:11:59.000 The mindset of the new Chinese Communist leader.

01:12:01.000 Why Obama and the media are hyping this, and why you're saying there's a danger in the hyping, where they're saying nuclear war could happen any minute, the North is saying they're going to nuke the U.S.

01:12:12.000 What is behind all this, Dr. Steve Puccini?

01:12:15.000 Let me get into the mindset of Kim Jong-un.

01:12:17.000 I know his mindset extremely well.

01:12:19.000 He grew up in Geneva, Lake Geneva, in Switzerland.

01:12:23.000 He went to the Swiss boarding school.

01:12:24.000 By chance it happens that I went to Swiss boarding school, but I was kicked out.

01:12:28.000 He was not.

01:12:29.000 He was a very poor student.

01:12:30.000 He was very shy. 0.99

01:12:31.000 He was very inept and really only enjoyed basketball. 0.78

01:12:35.000 The reality is what you have is the classical communist scenario and paradox where the entire Kim Jong-un family and the entire Kim Jong-il family had for 15 years lived in Lake Geneva in prosperity. 0.97

01:12:49.000 And even Kim Jong-un said to his own father, how is it that I can live a life of luxury, horseback riding, shooting, skeeting, and playing basketball while white people are starving?

01:13:01.000 And his father just said, don't worry.

01:13:04.000 We will have the money and we'll always maintain our power structure.

01:13:07.000 So the real issue now is can the Korean military control Korea?

01:13:12.000 And the answer is not clear, because they take directions exactly from the Communist China.

01:13:18.000 And the Communist China, Xi Peng, who I have followed for over 20 years, is the son of the famous revolutionary of the Communist Party, who was indicted in the Cultural Revolution and was so-called reformed, but was brought up through the system because of his alliances with the military and the crony capitalism and corruption of China.

01:13:38.000 China has been having problems with the United States and our force structure in Eastern Asia, and the fact that we have moved all of our battleships and our marine corps to Eastern Asia to deny access to the Chinese correctly, to their trading companies, and all to the fact that they're collapsing internally.

01:13:56.000 So two countries are collapsing internally.

01:13:59.000 China, because it cannot maintain social stability.

01:14:02.000 It does not have water.

01:14:03.000 It has to get water from the Tibetan high marks.

01:14:06.000 And the fact that it's economy is totally a false economy and a runaway economy that's been funded by JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and all the hedge funds, including our former Secretary of Treasury, Paul Peterson, who knew nothing.

01:14:24.000 About banking at M1 and M2, but has always been a crony capitalist of the Chinese. 1.00

01:14:29.000 So what you have is two very similar princelings who are not qualified to run their government.

01:14:36.000 In terms of the Chinese leader, he's a technocrat, never had diplomatic experience, lived in the United States, really does not understand how to maintain social stability, like Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, Joe Inline, Lu Chaoqi, and all the original revolutionaries, he's spoiled, he's corrupt, and he has all their families are corrupt. 0.92

01:14:58.000 And the same way we have this corruption in the spoiled Kim Jong-un, who grew up in Switzerland, you can't think of him as a North Korean. 0.97

01:15:08.000 You have to think of him as the preppy Swiss boarding school boy who's shy, inept, has never been in the military, has been forced by his own military to be the face of Korea because his father felt that his oldest son, Kim Jong-un, sucked. 0.97

01:15:23.000 Was too feminine, so we needed a stronger face. 1.00

01:15:25.000 So what we have is a paper doll China and a paper doll North Korea, all creating an episode because the United States military has come in and said, we're going to protect our national security interests.

01:15:40.000 Our economic interest is all the way from Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines and Japan.

01:15:46.000 The reason for that is China has engaged in what we call a low intensity conflict.

01:15:51.000 In the Spratly Islands, which I wrote about 20 years ago, in Pax Pacifica, they can no longer handle the internal economy.

01:16:00.000 So when they can no longer handle the internal economy, they push the Chinese, the Koreans, in order to make the kind of noise, what we call in psychiatry, acting out behavior, or baby-like behavior. 0.99

01:16:12.000 I call Kim Jong-un the baby in the crib who screams and yells.

01:16:17.000 Looks at missiles that really can't fly anywhere, has no capacity.

01:16:21.000 He's one of the few guys in America who understands it as Charles Hill, worked in North Korea.

01:16:26.000 And really what they're doing is we're fostering that type of reaction so that we can demonstrate how strong our Navy is, how strong our capability to control the situation.

01:16:37.000 But in fact, what's happening is we're showing the opposite in the South Korean people and the South Korean army.

01:16:43.000 And intelligence is seeing exactly what I'm seeing on the DMZ zone.

01:16:47.000 We've become a joke.

01:16:49.000 We send over two stealth fighter planes, F-22, which has absolutely no relevance because the North Koreans can never attack South Korea. 0.98

01:16:57.000 Otherwise, they will be destroyed, 22 million people.

01:17:01.000 And South Seoul is only 30 miles away.

01:17:04.000 I'm right on the top of that nuclear storm, right on the DMZ as I'm talking to young Korean soldiers who, quite frankly, are not prepared to go to war and know near the hearts of hearts that they will not confront the North Koreans as they're coming over. 0.82

01:17:19.000 But once that Kim Jong-un, underneath the Chinese provocation and American ineptness in handling this control, will create a situation where it will be out of control, in the case of his grandfather, they blew up the South Korean presidential platform.

01:17:39.000 In the case of his father, they also blew up ships.

01:17:43.000 So what happens in a certain crisis can get blown out very quickly, number one, because we don't have a president who really is qualified to run a...

01:17:51.000 Well, that was my final point, is that you've got special crony capitalist interests that want to work with authoritarian regimes.

01:17:58.000 As Carl Quigley wrote at Georgetown, they want weak people reading off teleprompters.

01:18:03.000 So now there's no leadership anywhere.

01:18:05.000 It's like an absurdist science fiction Kurt Vonnegut novel where some kid from Switzerland is commanding a bunch of psychopaths, vampires.

01:18:13.000 You've got China on the edge of collapse.

01:18:15.000 You've got insanity here.

01:18:18.000 You've got crony interests shutting down all their competition.

01:18:21.000 I mean it looks like a civilization collapse type event down the road with this type of lunacy and then building up North Korea to the South Koreans looks completely insane because they know what jokes they are. 0.96

01:18:33.000 I mean this is Alice in Wonderland.

01:18:36.000 It's more than Alice in Wonderland.

01:18:38.000 It's Alice in Wonderland on steroids and LSD.

01:18:41.000 It's a total nonreality because talking to all the Chinese, the South Korean students, workers, and military, they can't take this seriously. 1.00

01:18:51.000 So we considered the day of the war that Kim Jong-il declared the end of the world yesterday.

01:18:57.000 I went out with some of my South Korean military friends and intelligence operators, and we had our last supper consisting of veal, diet coke, and rice, and we all laughed, showing how incompetent the leader of Kim Jong-il was, the leader of China, and also POTUS. showing how incompetent the leader of Kim Jong-il was, the I guess it will be your last meal with diet coke, with the aspartame.

01:19:19.000 We were sending over two stealth bombers which cost us close to a couple of five hundred million to a billion.

01:19:26.000 They left when they said we sent two Aegean missile ships which can do absolutely nothing.

01:19:31.000 So our posturing is like a paper tiger which China was like and we can do nothing in the entire All right, well, Doc, Doc, Doc... All right, Doc, we gotta go to break. 1.00

01:19:49.000 I gotta come back with one more segment with you, because I gotta find out, what do you expect to see come out of this?

01:19:53.000 What is the danger, then, if it's all just posturing?

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01:24:39.000 Dr. Pachinik, sum it all up for people.

01:24:41.000 You told me during the break what the real danger is that Korea will implode, North Korea will implode, North and South, into China and into South Korea and trigger World War III.

01:24:53.000 In your own words, repeat that and talk about what the establishment is doing and why you think it's so dangerous. 0.74

01:25:00.000 What's going to happen now is because of this predictable, everyone in the media says that these North Koreans are crazy and unpredictable. 0.84

01:25:09.000 The answer is no.

01:25:10.000 They have been extremely predictable, including Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Kim Jong-un, the little princelet. 0.77

01:25:16.000 We know exactly their behavior pattern.

01:25:18.000 We know exactly how they work.

01:25:19.000 We know that every time they act out, we can control it.

01:25:23.000 But in order to control it, we need a very effective, President of the United States, an effective secretary of state, which carry is not, an effective intelligence community, which we do not have, and a military that's not gung-ho and understands the limits of the capability.

01:25:37.000 The limits of the capability is that, very simply, that if North Korea attacks South Korea, which is not likely through Seoul because we're only 30 miles away, if they act out in any way that we cannot manage because of the hype that we have created through a CNN, Wolf Blitz, Zakaria, and Aminapour, army who should be shut down and indicted for creating agitation propaganda.

01:26:04.000 We could have literally an implosion of North Korean poverty scurrying over into South Korea and then have a major collapse of both North Korea and South Korea, but more importantly of China, because the North Koreans are so poor that they're screaming over the border of China. because the North Koreans are so poor that they're screaming So we have an incompetent Xi Peng, who's a technocrat, a princeling, and a spoiled Chinese technocrat, very much like Kim Jong-un, 0.89

01:26:32.000 who's a spoiled Switzerland-trained leader who has been whored by every intelligence community in the world, including the French, who's a spoiled Switzerland-trained leader who has been whored by every intelligence community in the world, including the French, the Swiss, the Americans, the Germans, the Russians, you name them, because for 15 years, if you're in If you're in a Swiss boarding school and you're playing basketball and you're not very smart and you're quite a famine And you don't know how to deal with women. 0.96

01:26:55.000 You certainly don't know how to manage country So we're coming into very quickly thanks to our American media and the frenzy of American media the frenzy of the military particularly the Navy to say that we're bringing in a GNC's that we will send in stealth bombers to does not do anything to control or quiet the temper of a crisis, which is the principles of crisis management that I created 30 years ago.

01:27:22.000 And very sagacious people like Don Gregg, Jim Lilly, and others who had worked in the CIA and had been our ambassadors here understood that you keep the agitation and the warmongering to the lowest flame, What we're doing now is increasing the flame thanks to CNN, thanks to our military and our navy, thanks to the ignorance of the White House, the ineptness of our president, the ineptness of the Chinese, and the ineptness of the North Korea.

01:27:48.000 We could literally land in World War III with not only nuclear proliferation but there is gas warfare and the ability of that we would never thought possible of the North Koreans to come into South Korea because where I am located I'm only 10 kilometers away from North Korea and I can see the North Koreans right now. 0.94

01:28:09.000 I see Kim Il-sung's statues.

01:28:11.000 I see the mobilization of their troops, but at the same time, the young troops in South Korea are not qualified to fight into an army that has only three days of petroleum, lubricant, and oil.

01:28:25.000 So what we have here is an impending crisis that's totally mismanaged.

01:28:29.000 Well, isn't that 101 that you don't build up the enemy as super dangerous and powerful? 0.90

01:28:35.000 They should be laughing at Kim Jong-un, calling him pathetic and weak, and he can't even get What's happening in South Korea? 0.94

01:28:41.000 Excuse me, Alex. 0.99

01:28:42.000 Everybody here is laughing.

01:28:44.000 We're talking about it. 0.54

01:28:45.000 We're saying how absurd North Korea is. 0.99

01:28:48.000 We have absolutely no regard for Xi Peng, and we find him very inept. 0.82

01:28:53.000 The Chinese students should start rioting in China to say this is not the leader of China. 0.99

01:28:58.000 But more importantly, we find it very disgraceful what America is doing by announcing they're sending two stealth bombers, one Chinese, one South Korean official said to me, how stupid can you Americans be to send billions of dollars worth of two planes that will do absolutely nothing? 0.98

01:29:16.000 All right, we're gonna get an update, Doc. 0.96

01:29:18.000 do nothing because it cannot protect from a nuclear war.

01:29:21.000 And all it is is a posture of a paper tiger we become where we're creating a situation where we show our weakness, we show our incompetence, we show our lack of capability to handle this situation, which will literally land into World War III.

01:29:36.000 But we know everything about Kim Jong-un.

01:29:39.000 All right, we're going to get an update, Doc.

01:29:40.000 We're going to come back with our next guest.

01:29:40.000 We've got to go to break.

01:29:42.000 We're going to get an update on a very serious situation Sunday.

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01:33:33.000 I get hurt by tyranny and I'm going to tell a story about that here in a moment and go to Pastor Chuck Baldwin who's going to be riding shotgun with us into the next hour with Dr. Greg Dixon to talk about the takeover of the church in this country.

01:33:46.000 And how they're openly going along with the persecution of veterans, gun owners, all of it.

01:33:52.000 My only gift, I think, is to recognize things hidden in plain view.

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01:34:06.000 Now that's called being a conspiracy theorist, but we're going to be talking to Chuck Baldwin, Pastor Baldwin, former Constitution Party presidential candidate, of course, and someone demonizes very evil, along with Ron Paul and myself, by Homeland Security.

01:34:22.000 But first off, this whole North Korea thing will probably blow over. 0.87

01:34:25.000 But it shows how it's the greatest rhetoric since that war ended more than 50 years ago.

01:34:31.000 And you notice they're putting Al-Qaeda in, in the Middle East, and the AP says, don't call them Al-Qaeda, don't even call them Islamicists.

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01:34:41.000 The new enemy is the American people. 0.99

01:34:42.000 I mean, this is earth-shaking, off the charts, you know, congressional investigation, freaking out.

01:34:50.000 Oh my gosh, they want to use Homeland Security as a coup d'etat against America.

01:34:54.000 I mean, that's what it is.

01:34:56.000 Instead, it's like, yeah, now we fight returning veterans.

01:35:00.000 Take all their guns and take their kids! 0.97

01:35:03.000 I mean, this is Civil War stuff, but despite all that, we need to just pray, move forward, speak out, and resist, because you wouldn't have the White House demonizing alternative media, attacking Drudge, saying they're causing us problems when we're on Drudge every week, attacking us as well, if we didn't have power.

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01:39:17.000 All right, shifting gears now.

01:39:19.000 I wanted to get Pastor Chuck Baldwin on last week when I saw this article.

01:39:24.000 Franklin Graham on the wrong side of the Bible and history.

01:39:27.000 He's come out calling for a massive restriction on the Second Amendment.

01:39:30.000 The official Catholic newspaper, we're going to show that, has come out and said, quote, repeal the Second Amendment.

01:39:37.000 You've got every denomination I know of.

01:39:39.000 I can't go to a church, a Baptist church, a Pentecostal church, a Bible church, without hearing government worship.

01:39:47.000 And I, for one, have had enough, okay?

01:39:50.000 And he wrote the book, Romans 13, The True Meaning of Submission.

01:39:52.000 We also sell that at infowarstore.com.

01:39:55.000 Great book to give to your pastors.

01:39:57.000 But they're under 501c3 government funding.

01:40:00.000 But now they're coming out after the guns.

01:40:03.000 We've got to go after them.

01:40:04.000 And I wanted to ask Pastor Baldwin, biblically, He doesn't really need an introduction here on this broadcast.

01:40:11.000 He's a radio talk show host, syndicated columnist.

01:40:13.000 Of course, been a pastor many years in Florida.

01:40:16.000 Now he's out in the mountain area building a remnant community out there.

01:40:20.000 Staunch defender of the Bill of Rights Constitution.

01:40:22.000 Chuck Bolden live dot com.

01:40:24.000 I wanted to ask him in this great time of evil, What do we do?

01:40:28.000 What does he think we should do?

01:40:31.000 Because there is a purge against Constitutionalists.

01:40:33.000 It's begun.

01:40:34.000 And as every other authoritarian regime, it starts quietly.

01:40:38.000 You know, a lot of times the arrest, you know, for petty made-up stuff starts and no one even covers it and no one recognizes it until it just becomes overwhelming or the dictatorship collapses.

01:40:50.000 So, Pastor Baldwin, thank you so much for coming on with us.

01:40:53.000 Dan, great to be with you.

01:40:54.000 Alex, thank you very much.

01:40:56.000 Well, you just heard that seven-minute intro there where I was talking about all this.

01:40:59.000 Where do you want to start first?

01:41:01.000 I mean, it's like the dam broke, the hedge is being lifted, evil is flooding in, and the preachers are all bought off.

01:41:08.000 Yeah, unfortunately, the 501c3 tax-exempt status has made slaves out of most pastors and churches.

01:41:15.000 They fear the IRS.

01:41:17.000 They fear the loss of their tax-exempt status.

01:41:21.000 And so when they get into the pulpits, they are afraid to discuss anything that might be controversial.

01:41:26.000 Plus, let's not forget this.

01:41:28.000 There's a lot of people out there in the congregations that are very weak, very wishy-washy.

01:41:33.000 They do not want to hear the hard issues.

01:41:35.000 A lot of pastors are deathly afraid of offending their own congregations.

01:41:41.000 They're afraid of losing the tithes and offerings of people.

01:41:45.000 They're afraid of the controversy that may erupt inside the congregation.

01:41:49.000 That combination ...has completely neutered the pulpits of America.

01:41:54.000 And you're right.

01:41:55.000 The churches and the pastors of America are literally contributing to the decline of our liberties here in this country today.

01:42:06.000 It's now come out that the official communist Chinese government is advising Obama on gun policy.

01:42:12.000 If you just tuned in folks, just the People's Daily repeatedly, it's been national news a few months ago.

01:42:17.000 They are now demanding every Hollywood film be put by them.

01:42:21.000 No form of communism or authoritarianism can even be shown.

01:42:25.000 Forget criticizing communist China.

01:42:28.000 Nothing can be shown.

01:42:30.000 We're now not just run by the New World Order here.

01:42:33.000 The communist Chinese that own our debt are occupying us and the reason I bring that up is look at this the preachers are afraid to say anything that offends so now they're banning Lego toys of Jabba the Hutt because some Muslims said it was supposed to be a Muslim just out of the clear blue sky political correctness is political control the Soviet Union called it political correctness and and and so now The preachers are like, I don't want to offend anyone. 0.98

01:43:00.000 That's been used as a weapon to where now they can't even teach marriage. 0.99

01:43:04.000 They won't even criticize abortion because it might offend someone.

01:43:08.000 Now they're taking the crosses out of churches all over America.

01:43:12.000 I know you know about that initiative.

01:43:13.000 I mean, this is it.

01:43:15.000 Do you agree the takeover is now happening?

01:43:18.000 Oh, there's no question.

01:43:19.000 I think it's been happening, Alex.

01:43:20.000 You know, back years ago, when I was running for president in 2008, I was going around the country and talking to pastors, and I couldn't tell you how many of them would say, well, you know, we believe in what you stand for, and we know that you're speaking the truth, and we know that we need change, and blah, blah, blah.

01:43:40.000 But, you know, after all, we're 501c3, and we can't get involved, and you know, so we'll just pray for you.

01:43:47.000 So again, that 501c3 tax exempt status has been the tool that Lyndon Johnson first created back in the 1950s, that he knew what would happen.

01:43:56.000 He knew it would neuter and control the pastors and churches.

01:44:00.000 And that's exactly what it's done.

01:44:02.000 And now when you get guys like Franklin Graham and Richard Land, Who, by the way, is a member of the CFR, as you know, coming out saying that they support Barack Obama's gun control initiatives, especially the universal background check.

01:44:17.000 It shows the power that the government has over many of these evangelical leaders.

01:44:23.000 By the way, Alex, that's why my son Tim and I have written a brand new book called To keep or not to keep, why Christians should not give up their guns.

01:44:32.000 It's a brand new book.

01:44:34.000 It's just about to be released from the press.

01:44:35.000 I want to carry it.

01:44:36.000 I want to carry it, because we carry your book on Romans 13.

01:44:39.000 Absolutely.

01:44:40.000 Very exciting.

01:44:41.000 This is going to be a blockbuster, because we go into the New Testament, the Old Testament, the entire Scripture.

01:44:47.000 And we prove conclusively that nowhere does the Bible teach that Christians should surrender their guns to any would-be tyrant.

01:44:55.000 We go into in-depth.

01:44:57.000 It's a blockbuster book.

01:44:58.000 There's nothing like it in print.

01:45:00.000 And when Christians get a hold of this, and even non-Christians, they're going to realize that natural law, biblical law, revealed law, is on the side of the Second Amendment. 0.85

01:45:10.000 And so this is going to be a book that's really going to help people understand the issue.

01:45:14.000 And somebody needs to send a copy to Franklin Graham, by the way.

01:45:17.000 We're going to talk about that coming up here in a moment, but I'm sure you're familiar with it, but I followed it.

01:45:24.000 I talk to vets every day who've had a leg blown off or something.

01:45:28.000 They get them to say they're depressed, and they take their child, even though their wife is fine.

01:45:33.000 They're not just taking veterans' guns now, they're also taking their children.

01:45:38.000 And then you see cases where anti-government parents, engineers with no criminal record, Air Force veteran, they took their kids, yeah, from the government that had had them for a year.

01:45:47.000 And then they demonized Infowars.com because he got a sticker at his house in Florida.

01:45:52.000 And I mean, are they going to like come grab my kids and say I'm anti-government It's like, well, there go your kids to a re-education camp.

01:46:00.000 I mean, they're just hiding this pure authoritarianism in plain view in every TV show now.

01:46:06.000 Demonizes Christians, demonizes pro-lifers, demonizes gun owners.

01:46:10.000 I mean, it's like The Running Man or something.

01:46:13.000 You turn on any show and they're demonizing patriots and saying we're terrorists.

01:46:18.000 I mean, this is Twilight Zone level.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, it is.

01:46:21.000 And what's amazing to me, relative to the way you started the discussion here with pastors, is do these pastors really think that by them sitting back and not speaking up and not taking a stand, that they're going to be spared?

01:46:35.000 Do they really think that they're going to be overlooked?

01:46:38.000 You know, I think this is very comparable to the Nazi Germany period of history, when there were some 14,000 evangelical churches in Germany at the time.

01:46:50.000 And of the 14,000 evangelical churches in Nazi Germany, that was becoming Nazi Germany, only 800 resisted Adolf Hitler.

01:47:00.000 That's about 5%.

01:47:02.000 Now think about it, Alex, if 25% had resisted Hitler, if 50% had resisted Hitler, the entire history of the world would have been changed.

01:47:12.000 But because the pastor said and did nothing, Hitler was allowed To seize control of the government, and then the country, and enact all these satanic... And 20 million, they were like 75 million. 0.72

01:47:24.000 Germany, counting 2 million soldiers, lost 20 million people.

01:47:29.000 Talk about a judgment.

01:47:30.000 Talk about doing nothing.

01:47:31.000 And it's the same story over and over.

01:47:34.000 And authoritarians, every time, come after Christians.

01:47:37.000 You know, that's the point, is that you're never going to do enough for them.

01:47:42.000 Exactly.

01:47:43.000 Exactly my point.

01:47:44.000 And that's what the preachers don't understand.

01:47:46.000 They think that by remaining neutral and trying to maintain politically correct messages, etc., that they are somehow going to be spared any of this.

01:47:55.000 They're in denial, actually.

01:47:57.000 Well, it's also a cop-out.

01:47:58.000 They go, we're trying to win souls.

01:47:59.000 Yeah, we know the evil's taking over.

01:48:00.000 I went to a big church this weekend with Dave Mustaine when he was in town.

01:48:03.000 Pretty good sermon overall.

01:48:04.000 I liked the preacher.

01:48:05.000 But I saw the assistant preacher and stuff.

01:48:07.000 Looking at us, like, scared.

01:48:09.000 Like, oh my gosh, there's Alex Jones.

01:48:11.000 Man, that guy's trouble.

01:48:12.000 And I didn't do anything or say anything.

01:48:14.000 I just went and checked out that church because my wife likes it.

01:48:17.000 But my point is, is that I have friends and family that go to Baptist churches.

01:48:21.000 They get letters going, don't even talk about politics at church dinners.

01:48:25.000 I mean, this is the Soviet Union!

01:48:27.000 And as you know, the...

01:48:31.000 Thomas Jefferson didn't even say religion shouldn't be involved in things.

01:48:35.000 It said government cannot be involved in religion.

01:48:39.000 As the First Amendment states, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

01:48:46.000 But they've taken separation of church and state and made a debate about does it exist or not, when it never even meant that.

01:48:52.000 It meant the government has no jurisdiction, but they trick people into 501c3, they stop being a church and become a charity.

01:49:01.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:49:03.000 That's exactly right.

01:49:05.000 They're not a church.

01:49:06.000 They are a government corporation.

01:49:09.000 The pastor is not a pastor.

01:49:11.000 He is a corporate officer.

01:49:14.000 Same with the deacons and elders.

01:49:15.000 They are viewed as corporate officers of the state.

01:49:19.000 And I really believe, and this is kind of harsh for me to say, but I mean, I've been in the heart of this battle for so long, and I really believe what I'm about to tell you, Alex.

01:49:29.000 I really believe that at the heart of the problem, our pastors and churches today are state worshipers.

01:49:39.000 They are.

01:49:40.000 I really believe that.

01:49:41.000 They do not worship the King of the Universe, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

01:49:46.000 They pretend that they do.

01:49:48.000 They sing songs, they have praise services, you know, they have worship services, they talk about Jesus, they preach the gospel, etc.

01:49:56.000 But every time when push comes to shove and you've got to make a decision, government is going to be the one that you side with.

01:50:04.000 That's right.

01:50:05.000 Who you serve is who you obey.

01:50:07.000 Exactly right.

01:50:09.000 Exactly right.

01:50:10.000 And who you give preference to, and who you give loyalty to, and who you give sovereignty to.

01:50:14.000 And what's happened in our churches today is that they have fallen for this erroneous Romans 13 interpretation that Tim and I wrote about, and you sell the book on your show, and so many of your listeners and readers have purchased it.

01:50:27.000 That Romans 13 misinterpretation has propagandized the church, indoctrinated the church, to the point that they're no longer able to properly analyze government from a biblical point of view.

01:50:39.000 It was Hitler's most quoted passage in his radio addresses.

01:50:44.000 Do what I say, Romans 13.

01:50:45.000 Do what I say, Romans 13.

01:50:46.000 We're going to talk about that, but first, the gun grabbing.

01:50:50.000 You'll be with us into the next hour with Pastor Greg Dixon, who is not 501c3, and so they seized the biggest church in America.

01:50:57.000 Stay with us.

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01:55:05.000 Parents who took kids back from CPS demonizes anti-government.

01:55:09.000 By the way, speaking of his book, it's available up at the website, InfoWarsStore.com, Romans 13, the true meaning of submission.

01:55:23.000 And we're also carrying the film that I produced, Strategic Relocation, A Noble Lie Exposing False Flag Terror, and After the Tribulation.

01:55:32.000 And I want to ask Pastor Baldwin his view on that, because I just see the whole thing as a cop-out.

01:55:36.000 You know, whether it's pre-, mid-, post-, whatever.

01:55:40.000 But I always hear, well, it's the end of the world anyway, so why fight evil?

01:55:43.000 Why not go out and warn people then?

01:55:45.000 I think God's going to say he didn't know you, but this is a short segment.

01:55:48.000 We're going to have you with us into the next hour on Pastor Dixon, who was persecuted, the biggest Baptist church, the biggest church in the country, period, because he wouldn't be under government control, thought I was in America.

01:55:58.000 But get into Franklin Graham, your article, The Southern Baptist Convention coming out and saying get rid of the Second Amendment.

01:56:05.000 I mean, this is incredible.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:56:09.000 I think it's imperative that Christians and non-Christians alike understand that this is a very, very serious attempt to dismantle the Second Amendment.

01:56:19.000 Unfortunately, we have many evangelical leaders, such as Franklin Graham, Richard Land, and many others, who have taken the position that the state is always right, and that you never resist, you never question the state.

01:56:32.000 And if the state says that you are to register your guns, then you're supposed to register your guns.

01:56:37.000 If a universal background check, then so be it.

01:56:40.000 Uh, as we know, the FEMA has been instructing pastors for many years and schooling them in when the president declares a national emergency, asking the pastors to instruct the congregations to surrender their firearms.

01:56:59.000 This has been going on for years.

01:57:00.000 You've been reporting on this for years.

01:57:02.000 So have I. And by the way, four years before it was declassified, we broke it with Pastor Butch Paul, yourself and others, here on Genesis, and we broke it nationally.

01:57:11.000 But people couldn't believe hundreds of pages of training manual.

01:57:15.000 They found out the pastor went and threatened him, kicked him out of the hospital, where he did free ministry for people.

01:57:21.000 And it gets worse.

01:57:22.000 There's the red light.

01:57:24.000 FEMA training to take guns and have pastors prepared for it.

01:57:28.000 They're planning to come for the guns.

01:57:30.000 This is like catching, you know, the Nazis, you know, infiltrating the White House or the Chi-Coms. 1.00

01:57:35.000 I mean, this shows the authoritarian, creeping nature that they're waiting for these shootings, which a lot of them they're staging.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, whether they're staged or not, the result is the same.

01:57:47.000 They're using the opportunity to come after the people's guns.

01:57:52.000 And this is why I think that the book that Tim and I have written is so important, Alex, instructing Christians that nowhere does the Bible teach that they are supposed to surrender their guns.

01:58:04.000 And even in the Garden of Gethsemane, when Jesus said to Simon Peter, Put up thy sword, they that live by the sword die by the sword.

01:58:11.000 That has been misinterpreted so much by Christians through the years.

01:58:15.000 It has nothing to do with surrendering your guns.

01:58:17.000 In fact, Simon Peter kept his sword.

01:58:20.000 He put it in a scabbard.

01:58:21.000 Jesus protected him.

01:58:23.000 The power of his voice knocked over the soldiers that came to arrest him.

01:58:27.000 Simon Peter and the other disciple that was armed walked out of the Garden of Eden with their arm.

01:58:33.000 By the way, it was against Roman law for them to carry A Roman soldier.

01:58:37.000 They were slaves.

01:58:37.000 Absolutely.

01:58:38.000 They were captured.

01:58:38.000 Stay there.

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01:58:47.000 In the last two years alone, the U.S.

01:58:52.000 has seen huge losses to our food supply.

01:58:55.000 In 2011, storms and floods raged across the U.S., costing us $20 billion in lost crops alone.

01:59:00.000 In 2012, we saw the largest drought in the country in more than 50 years.

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01:59:09.000 We all are.

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02:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:25.000 All right, he's with us for another 30 minutes.

02:00:27.000 He'll be riding shotgun with Dr. Greg Dixon.

02:00:31.000 We're going to tell that story of a church, now many years ago, was it 12 years ago, that their employees even paid taxes.

02:00:42.000 Paid the withholding, all that.

02:00:43.000 The church said, we're not going to handle money.

02:00:45.000 We're not indentured servants.

02:00:46.000 We don't have to do this.

02:00:48.000 We're not under the government.

02:00:49.000 We don't want your 501c3.

02:00:51.000 And they came and stole their church and arrested everybody.

02:00:55.000 And that's Soviet Union, ladies and gentlemen, and that's why the churches have all rolled over and said, we'll push abortion, we'll say turn the guns in, Billy Graham's son...

02:01:06.000 is out there, you know, saying you don't need guns, it is so demonic.

02:01:09.000 And I can't wait to read your new book if it's anything like Romans 13, full of all the quotes to give to these preachers.

02:01:14.000 They already know the truth.

02:01:15.000 But, again, they don't really want to be preachers.

02:01:18.000 They want to be married to the state.

02:01:20.000 They are high priests of the state-run churches.

02:01:23.000 Let's go back to Chuck Baldwin.

02:01:26.000 Chuck, you were trying to get into Romans 13.

02:01:28.000 What should we be saying to Franklin Graham and the rest of these people that say, you know, turn your guns in?

02:01:33.000 The big Catholic newspaper said, quote, repeal the Second Amendment. - Yeah.

02:01:38.000 What are they going to do with the words of Jesus when he told the disciples that if they needed to sell their clothes, whatever they had to do, go buy a sword?

02:01:48.000 What are they going to do with that?

02:01:50.000 What are they going to do with the fact that Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament? 0.92

02:01:56.000 And we have the command of God in the Old Testament of many of the deliverers of Israel to arm themselves and to defend and to conquer.

02:02:07.000 God never told His people to lay down.

02:02:10.000 No, never.

02:02:11.000 They always resisted.

02:02:12.000 If you were going to take out of the Bible all of the stories of resistance, you would reduce the Bible by probably 60 or 65 percent.

02:02:21.000 Many of the great stories that we revere as Christians in the Word of God, both Old and New Testaments, have to do with resisting civil authority.

02:02:30.000 All the way from Daniel... That's right.

02:02:31.000 The authorities are always resisted and always, you know, put in the line.

02:02:34.000 But the love stuff, turn the other cheek, is with your family, with people around you, trying to work things out.

02:02:41.000 That's where a correct pastor, we see the turning the other cheek, not letting people set you up.

02:02:47.000 Go ahead.

02:02:48.000 Well, yeah, and all this is covered in our book, To Keep or Not to Keep, Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns. 0.51

02:02:54.000 We go into all these passages of scripture and we deal with them individually, one by one, and we show that it does not teach submission to tyranny.

02:03:03.000 That just the opposite is taught.

02:03:04.000 There is a revealed and natural law given by God for self-defense.

02:03:09.000 That is an inalienable right.

02:03:12.000 Weapons everywhere restrain evil, as Thomas Jefferson said.

02:03:16.000 It is a biblical principle.

02:03:18.000 It is a natural law principle.

02:03:20.000 It's founded and grounded in the Word of God and the precepts of Scripture.

02:03:23.000 And for Christians to take the tack that government is God and that we are to do whatever government says, regardless of how scriptural or unscriptural it might be, is idolatry. 0.94

02:03:34.000 I mean, let's call it what it is, Alex.

02:03:36.000 It's idolatry.

02:03:37.000 It is the worship of the state.

02:03:39.000 And what I'm concerned about is that there are many pastors and Christians out there that really aren't Maybe in their hearts understanding what they're doing, but they've been taught this so long and so often that they just think that's the only accepted theology.

02:03:56.000 They've never been taught anything else.

02:03:58.000 That's why in 1775 and 76, Jonas Clark had instructed his congregants at the Church of Lexington for years Before the events of April 19, 1775 on Lexington Green, which took place right in front of the church house, where those men worshipped every Sunday.

02:04:16.000 And so whenever that day came, and they marched on Concord to seize the arms, they were able to stand in front of them, those men that were mainly the church congregation of the Church of Lexington, Pastor Jonas Clark, they were able to do that because the pastor had taught them the principles of liberty for many, many, many years.

02:04:36.000 Well, most of the militias were led by the preachers. 0.99

02:04:38.000 That's why the King of England said, damn these black brigades. 1.00

02:04:43.000 That's right. 1.00

02:04:44.000 That's a quote.

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02:04:54.000 Absolutely. 0.92

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02:08:28.000 All right, if you just joined us, ladies and gentlemen, there is undoubted persecution against Christians, libertarians, conservatives, anti-abortion people, pro-lifers, pro-Second Amendment groups.

02:08:41.000 We get countless calls on air, I see it in the news, I just, all I do is read news all day, where they'll say, yeah, a man arrested for his bumper sticker, pro-life bumper sticker.

02:08:51.000 And you're like, that's gotta be a joke.

02:08:54.000 Or, um, You know, family went to anti-government rally, children taken, or anti-government people wouldn't give kids vaccines, children taken.

02:09:04.000 There is no law to take the vaccines.

02:09:06.000 But the family courts aren't real courts, they're so devilish, they were set up as a race sterilization operation in 1910 in New York. 0.94

02:09:15.000 See, I know the whole history of it.

02:09:16.000 They were like, well, the judge said we didn't give them the shots, so they took the kids.

02:09:22.000 And they just eyeball you, and if they think you're ignorant, and you don't know how to fight back, they go, sign this, you'll get your kids back.

02:09:28.000 And you sign it, you're admitting you're bad, and then through fraud they go, ah, I've got the confession. 0.91

02:09:33.000 I mean, these are authoritarian criminals all over the place.

02:09:37.000 And look, if you're good cops out there, and you're getting mad hearing this, well, you're guilty.

02:09:43.000 Because I'm not talking about you.

02:09:44.000 The system is corrupt, there's no doubt, some jurisdictions are better, haven't been totally taken over, but this country is evil.

02:09:54.000 This country has rationalized and rationalized.

02:09:56.000 Now, I want to read to you the, the, the, in fact, will you guys pull up the First Amendment online for me?

02:10:01.000 I need to have my pocket constitution.

02:10:03.000 It's normally, normally in here.

02:10:04.000 Somebody, somebody picked it up.

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02:10:09.000 First Amendment starts with Congress shall Make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

02:10:19.000 And then it goes on, or freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, or the right to, you know, assemble or redress of grievances.

02:10:26.000 But, but, you, you, there it is.

02:10:28.000 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or the press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievance.

02:10:39.000 Now, you never heard it was Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

02:10:47.000 This country, you know, my dad's family goes back to the Mayflower.

02:10:52.000 This is very rare by the way.

02:10:53.000 It's 200 plus thousand Americans are living, had somebody on the Mayflower.

02:10:57.000 My mother had two people in the Mayflower, I forget his name, the barrel maker and the famous woman.

02:11:02.000 They got married.

02:11:03.000 The lowest guy on the totem pole was the barrel maker.

02:11:06.000 They got married.

02:11:07.000 That's my ancestors.

02:11:08.000 And then my dad's side, kind of a scoundrel of a guy, but the captain of the Mayflower.

02:11:13.000 Now, the whole point here is, ladies and gentlemen, they had gone and my mother's gone and visited where my family was from in England and then went over to the Netherlands.

02:11:24.000 She's been over there, where they have the original little churches of the pilgrims.

02:11:30.000 They were going all over the place trying to just try to read the Bible and not worship government.

02:11:35.000 Because everywhere else you had a government-run church.

02:11:38.000 And they spied on you, they didn't teach the Bible.

02:11:40.000 It didn't matter whether it was England's fake Protestant churches, you know, from their perspective, the Catholic Church, all of it, it all became political.

02:11:48.000 And so that happened.

02:11:49.000 So, I want to explain something to you.

02:11:50.000 This country was founded on religious freedom and they could still never get it in the colonies.

02:11:56.000 Because people would take over and try to make you follow their version.

02:12:00.000 So, when you see the churches saying, we're 501c3, which just turns them into a government charity, a government corporation.

02:12:08.000 See, in the fifties, all the denominations said, sign on to this, you'll still get your tax exemption.

02:12:12.000 And they got tricked.

02:12:13.000 Oh, really?

02:12:14.000 And it was a contract fraud.

02:12:15.000 Going from a church outside jurisdiction into a contract.

02:12:18.000 Now, Pastor Greg Dixon had the biggest stand-alone church in the country.

02:12:23.000 It was all over 60 minutes, you name it.

02:12:26.000 Uh, you know, anti-globalist, anti-New World Order, you know, just Bible believing. 0.99

02:12:29.000 Biggest church, Indianapolis Baptist Temple, 8,000 plus member, uh, 41 years.

02:12:36.000 And his son now pastors it, but they had been 501c3, and he can tell the story better than I, and then I've got Chuck Baldwin with him to go back and forth here.

02:12:46.000 But the point is, is that they came and took their church.

02:12:49.000 Now, they said, well, you've got to pay taxes.

02:12:51.000 Their church members paid the fake income tax.

02:12:55.000 But it's not the church's job to collect it and run it.

02:12:58.000 That's indentured servitude.

02:13:00.000 And now, you see the churches of America starting to say, you know, abortion's good. 0.81

02:13:06.000 You know, turn our guns in are good.

02:13:08.000 They're not even churches.

02:13:09.000 And in just a decade, this has happened.

02:13:12.000 And now they have the clergy response teams, mainstream news, telling their flocks, turn your guns in, it's of the Lord.

02:13:18.000 America, the National Catholic Review, repeal the Second Amendment.

02:13:21.000 This is happening.

02:13:24.000 And whether you're Catholic, Protestant, whatever it is, and even if you're not a, quote, Christian, you better be concerned.

02:13:30.000 Because when the church has become state-run, you've got authoritarianism.

02:13:33.000 Now Chuck Baldwin, you want to introduce this topic, because I know you're an expert on it as well, and then bring up Pastor Greg Dixon, a graduate of the Baptist Bible College, Springsville, Missouri, in 1953.

02:13:44.000 And of course, the famous Baptist preacher in his own right, I'm not going to go over his whole bio.

02:13:50.000 It was a 91-day, quote, siege, where they wouldn't leave the church, but the media called it a siege, like they were terrorists.

02:13:57.000 And we'll give you their website as well.

02:13:59.000 I mean, I'm ranting here because this is so evil, and it's just accepted now.

02:14:05.000 So explain what's happening here, and did I break it down correctly, Pastor Chuck Baldwin?

02:14:11.000 Yeah, yes you did.

02:14:12.000 And Greg and I go back a long ways.

02:14:14.000 He's a dear friend.

02:14:14.000 I'm glad you got him on.

02:14:17.000 Everybody should be familiar with this story.

02:14:19.000 What you said is exactly right.

02:14:21.000 Greg Dixon was preaching the gospel without the 501c3 tax exempt status.

02:14:28.000 The tax issue that you described was what happened and they came in and by the way, people need to realize that this took place under the Bush administration and GW Bush.

02:14:38.000 In fact, this is one of the first things that the new GW Bush administration did.

02:14:45.000 Was seized Indianapolis Baptist Temple.

02:14:47.000 First time in history that a church in the United States had been seized by the federal government.

02:14:55.000 And that happened under a Republican presidential administration.

02:14:59.000 And we know why.

02:15:00.000 Because they were getting ready with a faith-based initiative to buy off the churches. 0.98

02:15:04.000 So they had to get rid of the major group that was resisting it.

02:15:07.000 I think they wanted to make Greg an example.

02:15:10.000 He was the guy that they saw as the thorn in their side, and they wanted to make him an example.

02:15:16.000 And that's exactly what they did.

02:15:18.000 They didn't kill the church.

02:15:19.000 His son is still pastoring.

02:15:21.000 They're still growing.

02:15:22.000 They're still preaching.

02:15:23.000 They're still winning souls.

02:15:24.000 They're doing a great job for the Lord.

02:15:26.000 But they definitely seized the church, and they sent a message to preachers all over America that you better kowtow To the IRS, or we're going to come and get you.

02:15:37.000 And again, spun in the media like they stole money and demanded millions.

02:15:40.000 Every dime had been paid to the Offshore Federal Reserve crime group.

02:15:45.000 They just had the members of the church individually do it, because Congress can make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

02:15:54.000 Pastor Greg Dixon, thank you for joining us today.

02:15:56.000 I want to get into your story for people, but you You broke it all down, or you could say prophesied, it wasn't hard to do, that as you guys went down, the church would become a pure organ of Satan, and now by and large it has become that.

02:16:11.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:16:12.000 I appreciate being on the program today and appreciate the great work that you're doing.

02:16:16.000 Thank you, sir.

02:16:17.000 I'm holding in my hands right here the front page of the Indianapolis Star, Wednesday, February the 14th, 2001, the headline says, Feds Seize Baptist Temple.

02:16:33.000 And the front page has the picture.

02:16:36.000 You can show the viewers.

02:16:38.000 One hundred federal marshals came in and broke down the doors of the Indianapolis Baptist Temple.

02:16:45.000 And it says, Fed seized Baptist Temple.

02:16:48.000 Well, they didn't.

02:16:49.000 Thank God they didn't seize the Baptist Temple. 0.92

02:16:53.000 They did carry some of us out.

02:16:58.000 But we were seen worshiping together the next night.

02:17:01.000 At the Jonathan Byrd's cafeteria, the convention center out there.

02:17:06.000 So they stole the land and the building?

02:17:08.000 They've been worshipping together ever since.

02:17:10.000 So they did seize the buildings and sold off six million dollars worth of property, 22 acres of land right in the middle of Indianapolis, and sold it for a million and a half.

02:17:23.000 And there's where we had a Christian school.

02:17:26.000 They now have a charter school, we say they have a communist school now, where we were teaching the Bible, they're teaching atheism, where we were teaching the free enterprise system, they're teaching communism, where we were teaching creationism, they're teaching Darwinism.

02:17:41.000 So anyway, they've got their charter school there now, but the church is still going right on, praise God for that.

02:17:48.000 But nevertheless, the church is still there.

02:17:51.000 I think it's very important and it's good to Be united with my good friend Chuck Baldwin again.

02:17:59.000 We've been good friends for a long, long time.

02:18:01.000 We were comrades together in arms with a moral majority back in the 80s.

02:18:06.000 It's always good to be with Chuck again.

02:18:08.000 And he's a great soldier of the cross, I can assure you that.

02:18:13.000 But I think it's important for people to understand that under communism in China, they had the Three-Self Movement.

02:18:22.000 The Three-Self Movement was this.

02:18:24.000 State-recognized churches, state-financed churches, and then the church was to espouse state propaganda.

02:18:35.000 That's exactly what we have in America.

02:18:37.000 We have state-recognized churches through incorporation, through 501c3 recognition under the IRS.

02:18:49.000 Then you've got state finance churches through the tax-deductible gift and tax exemption, and then the churches are to espouse federal public policy.

02:19:01.000 Now, that's exactly where we are.

02:19:03.000 The reason that the churches won't take a stand and the pastors won't take a stand is because they don't want to give up their tax exemption and they don't want to give up their tax-deductible gifts because all of the religious organizations in America who are not churches, they couldn't exist without the tax-deductible gifts.

02:19:28.000 So they're worshipping the golden calf.

02:19:31.000 And the churches could not exist without the tax-deductible gift.

02:19:31.000 That's right.

02:19:36.000 The First Baptist Church of Dallas, downtown Dallas, they have just built a massive, massive That's where my grandma went when she... You know, I tell you what, stay there.

02:19:51.000 We're gonna come back and talk about what this means.

02:19:53.000 Even if you're not a Christian, folks, having a state-run church means look out, look out. 0.96

02:19:59.000 We are in trouble.

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02:24:41.000 I have a couple of special reports I'm going to air before the main broadcast ends.

02:24:46.000 But here's my bottom line, Pastor Dixon.

02:24:48.000 I want you to recap your story and the now what you see happening with the churches and then get Pastor Baldwin's take on it.

02:24:54.000 But it's simple.

02:24:56.000 People that give in to corrupt governments, they get totally overrun.

02:25:02.000 Because then even more evil people who will push it further will get into government. 0.63

02:25:06.000 And then more evil and more evil.

02:25:08.000 So you end up getting kind of a survival of the most evil.

02:25:11.000 And that's why you end up with human sacrifice in every culture, mass death, worship of government.

02:25:17.000 And this worship of government is the opposite of what was given to the Israelites by God.

02:25:25.000 It was the first time you don't worship government, you worship God.

02:25:28.000 It's like they said to Saul, you don't want a king.

02:25:32.000 Israel, you don't want a king.

02:25:35.000 You follow what God says, and so no one can then dispute that.

02:25:38.000 And so we are the sovereigns here, with only God above us, not the state above us.

02:25:43.000 Because whoever you put above you is God.

02:25:46.000 And we've now made the state God, and it's now acting like God, and it's now saying it's God.

02:25:51.000 And Chris Rock is saying Obama is our father.

02:25:53.000 No!

02:25:54.000 El Jefe is not my father.

02:25:56.000 Okay?

02:25:57.000 Okay, my physical father is David Jones, but my spiritual father is Jesus Christ.

02:26:01.000 What do you say to that?

02:26:03.000 Well, what you're saying is absolutely correct, but see, we're going through the same thing that Daniel went through with Nebuchadnezzar, that the three Hebrew children went through, that the pastors went through with Hitler, and let me read it to you.

02:26:19.000 Let me show you what I'm talking about.

02:26:22.000 In 1998, under Clinton, under the Clinton administration, this has all been documented, All of the alphabet soup agencies, including the CIA, the FBI, the IRS, under the Janet Reno Justice Department, came together in the White House.

02:26:51.000 And the not-for-profit division of the IRS that controls 750,000 churches in America, And their purpose of the meeting was to devise a plan classified as top secret called Operation D. And to devise a plan to control all uncooperative churches in America.

02:27:18.000 Incredible.

02:27:19.000 To put together a plan.

02:27:22.000 And they said that their plan was a five-pronged plan.

02:27:31.000 It included the financial power of the IRS, international pressures using the treaty powers of the UN, the investigative and intelligence forces of the FBI, CIA, and NSA, the judicial and prosecutorial assets of the U.S.

02:27:47.000 Justice Department and federal courts, and congressional legislations.

02:27:51.000 Now, they used all five of these against our church to bring us down.

02:27:58.000 Our church was the first church That they used to bring pressure and to muscle us down.

02:28:09.000 This is pure authoritarianism.

02:28:11.000 When reporters get detained in China, it's national news, but then we get arrested trying to do interviews, or trying to hand out literature now, or get tickets.

02:28:20.000 I mean, we have become an authoritarian state.

02:28:23.000 Now, prior to this, Tecan in Texas, and I'm not going into this in great detail, but prior to this, An organization called TCAN in Texas went through thousands and thousands and thousands of United Nations documents and came to the conclusion that the goal of the United Nations is to eliminate every local church on earth.

02:28:53.000 To eliminate every local church on earth.

02:28:57.000 Now that's what this whole issue Islam is about right now. 1.00

02:29:03.000 They're using Islam now to destroy Christianity and then they'll turn around after they get through with that. 1.00

02:29:10.000 Then they'll end up, then they will destroy Islam. 1.00

02:29:15.000 But right now they're using Islam to destroy Christianity. 0.98

02:29:18.000 Exactly.

02:29:18.000 Notice how they can't have Legos of Jabba the Hutt saying it's anti-Islam, has nothing to do with Islam.

02:29:24.000 They're using it as political correctness. 0.94

02:29:26.000 To bring in and say you can't criticize Islam out of the Bible, or you can't criticize homosexuality, or you can't, because that violates hate speech, to shut down and bring in one world religion that the UN openly is calling for. 0.79

02:29:41.000 Pastor Dixon, stay there.

02:29:42.000 Pastor Baldwin, I'm going to get your take on this when we come back.

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02:33:05.000 You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.

02:33:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to be honest with you.

02:33:22.000 Woo! 0.99

02:33:24.000 When I learn about how they're persecuting Christians, or anybody, I take it personal.

02:33:32.000 And it's not because I'm some goody-two-shoes, bleeding-heart person.

02:33:32.000 I feel it.

02:33:36.000 I have empathy.

02:33:37.000 God gave us that.

02:33:38.000 And I've just noticed that most people that don't believe in God, and certainly state, has used religion.

02:33:43.000 Religion's been used for great mass murder. 1.00

02:33:45.000 I don't deny that. 0.97

02:33:46.000 But look at the Communists, the greatest mass murderers in history. 0.98

02:33:49.000 They're anti-Christian, and Christians having to literally run to the hills. 0.75

02:33:52.000 They just recently found families, you know, living out, multi-generation Christians from Ukraine who had gone hundreds of miles into the mountains in Siberia to survive.

02:34:03.000 And this is the type of world we're talking about.

02:34:06.000 And I think about my listeners, the family, the Haken family, where they claim they were at a tea party event.

02:34:16.000 They rented their hotel room and found a small amount of marijuana.

02:34:19.000 They're both engineers.

02:34:20.000 He's an Air Force veteran.

02:34:21.000 Probably isn't even true.

02:34:23.000 Because I grew up in Dallas where the cops would plant drugs on people, and witnessed it.

02:34:28.000 And I'm not saying all police are bad, but the state is bad.

02:34:31.000 Those directing the state from on top are bad.

02:34:35.000 And I got physically, it was beyond hatred, beyond anger, it's more of a sorrow, but just sick of it.

02:34:43.000 Like, why are we so weak?

02:34:45.000 Why have we let the evil get so bad?

02:34:47.000 And it was the realization last night That it's going to get so much worse, folks, because people think by giving into evil that somehow it makes everything okay.

02:34:57.000 It sinks to the bottom.

02:34:57.000 No, no, no.

02:34:59.000 And I wanted to ask Pastor Baldwin, before we go back to Pastor Greg Dixon here, of ChuckBaldwinLive.com.

02:35:06.000 You can go to TheBiblicalLawCenter.com for Pastor Dixon's excellent site.

02:35:10.000 Everybody needs to direct their pastors and preachers to this because I'm not even judging people that are 501c3 and don't really know or they don't really understand.

02:35:18.000 You need to go convict them.

02:35:20.000 You need to give the book Romans 13 to them.

02:35:22.000 You need to send them to the Bible Law Center because... 1.00

02:35:26.000 It was our churches that led the war against King George, and it's going to be the churches that lead in the forced inoculation, the gun confiscation.

02:35:33.000 I can play newscast where they say, we are training for gun confiscation, forced inoculation, and to tell the families to go to the FEMA Center.

02:35:42.000 It's of the Lord, Romans 13, do what you're told.

02:35:44.000 I mean, I've played that clip probably a hundred times.

02:35:46.000 Just type in Clergy Response Team into YouTube, you'll get the newscast.

02:35:50.000 Four years after we broke it.

02:35:52.000 Okay, it's so creepy that they've been training the preachers to tell their flocks, just like in Red Dawn, they use the mayor and the preacher.

02:36:02.000 When the Soviets take over to go, I mean this is classic, right out of an authoritarian novel. 0.74

02:36:07.000 That's what I'm getting at.

02:36:10.000 People have got to wake up.

02:36:11.000 What do you call waking up or being in denial?

02:36:14.000 Because the people are given a great delusion.

02:36:17.000 I mean, the Bible talks about they were given great delusion.

02:36:19.000 You've got to be in a flaming delusion to not see That evil is just going hog-wild and that it's going to persecute good people.

02:36:27.000 Even if you go along with the New World Order but secretly love God and you have a good heart, they're coming after you.

02:36:34.000 That's what I'm seeing.

02:36:35.000 The system releases criminals, pays Al-Qaeda to murder Christian communities in Syria.

02:36:41.000 I mean, the system hates good people and Not all departments are like this, but you can see, like the Bible says, certain cities get taken over by evil.

02:36:50.000 You can see the evil cities versus the ones that aren't fully taken over, but the body snatcher operation is ongoing in every town now.

02:36:59.000 Evil is on the offense right now, and I want to ask, who will, you know, lift up a standard?

02:37:04.000 The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard when the enemy comes in like a flood, Pastor.

02:37:09.000 Yeah, absolutely, and the only ones to do that are the pastors.

02:37:13.000 They are the key.

02:37:15.000 Back in 1775 and 76, if it were not for the colonial pastors, the so-called Black Robe Regiment, there would have been no Bunker Hill, there would have been no Lexington Green, there would have been no Concord Bridge, no Declaration of Independence, no Constitution, there would have been no United States of America. 0.93

02:37:34.000 It was the pastors of Colonial America that literally led the war for independence.

02:37:40.000 They preached, they taught, they exemplified, many of them participated.

02:37:44.000 And the enemy knows that.

02:37:46.000 That's why they're going after him today.

02:37:48.000 That's why they're neutered. 1.00

02:37:48.000 Absolutely. 1.00

02:37:49.000 And that was such a stroke of diabolical genius back in the 1950s when Lyndon Johnson created the 501c3 tax exempt status.

02:38:00.000 It really was.

02:38:01.000 From a diabolical point of view, it was a stroke of genius.

02:38:04.000 Because what it did, it allowed the government to control the churches, and the preaching especially.

02:38:11.000 The preaching of the churches via the threat of the loss of tax-exempt status with the IRS codes 501c3.

02:38:20.000 So, what's happened since, coupled with the Romans 13 misinterpretation, obey the government no matter what, What you have is a double whammy against the pastors and churches, and the result is what we have today. 0.89

02:38:36.000 A neutered, silent, scared, pitiful, pathetic pulpit until the pastors begin to awaken.

02:38:45.000 Energize their congregations and have you heard churches all over the place are being told pull the crosses out I mean, I mean, I mean pretty soon. 0.96

02:38:54.000 There'll be nothing I've heard of that and I you know I keep hearing more and more of this type of activity taking place and you got to ask yourself Where is it going to stop and the fact is it's never going to stop but these churches have been indoctrinated Also in the universities and the Christian colleges and the seminaries.

02:39:11.000 It's all about success Alex.

02:39:14.000 It's about money It's about 401k retirement.

02:39:17.000 It's about insurance plans.

02:39:19.000 It's about getting ahead.

02:39:20.000 It's about using the current church.

02:39:22.000 Well, they could just turn the church into a swingers club, then.

02:39:24.000 Maybe that'd get more people in the door. 0.99

02:39:27.000 Well, unfortunately, there's probably too much of that going on, too.

02:39:30.000 But the fact is that what they've done is that they've created this social organization that is success-oriented.

02:39:39.000 It's all about climbing the ladder, just like A businessman who wants to further his business.

02:39:46.000 Absolutely.

02:39:47.000 I want to bring you back in a moment to talk about the Second Amendment issue with Pastor Dixon.

02:39:51.000 But let's get Pastor Dixon's take on this.

02:39:53.000 How do we reverse this?

02:39:55.000 These points I've made.

02:39:56.000 The persecution of good people is accelerating.

02:39:59.000 But not only that, many of these men, even fundamentalist men, are sincere in believing that soul winning is the most important thing.

02:40:12.000 Therefore, they are justified in taking these not-for-profit gifts.

02:40:19.000 They are justified in compromising, so to speak, as long as they're winning souls.

02:40:27.000 And we've got to somehow break through this malice.

02:40:32.000 Somehow we have to break through.

02:40:35.000 See, for instance, the preachers are saying, well, they're not telling me what to preach.

02:40:40.000 Well, that's like saying, well, they're not telling me not to speed.

02:40:47.000 Well, you drive down the highway and you see a speed limit sign and it says 50 miles an hour speed limit.

02:40:56.000 But just because a policeman doesn't come to you personally and say you're not to speed, that doesn't mean you're not supposed to speed.

02:41:07.000 Well, just because the head of the IRS, the not-for-profit division of the IRS, doesn't come to you and say personally to you, or you don't get a letter from them saying you're not to espouse federal public policy, or that you're not supposed to endorse candidates or specific legislation, doesn't mean that you're not supposed to do those things.

02:41:31.000 You can read the contract, you can read what the law says.

02:41:36.000 Now, for instance... That's right, you've signed a covenant, so don't cop out and say you haven't, and look what's happened to the churches, and look at how selectively all the pro-abortion, all the anti-gun churches, they can say who to vote for, but if you get a constitutional church out there saying something, here comes the IRS, what's the IRS doing in a church?

02:41:56.000 The answer is you're not a church now, you are a government corporation.

02:42:00.000 That's exactly correct.

02:42:01.000 Now let me show you.

02:42:03.000 The IRS is keeping every single preacher in America who speaks out on any public policy issue and it gets in the newspapers, it gets on television or radio.

02:42:18.000 The IRS is keeping a file on that preacher the date that they gave that speech or the sermon Whether it was on the internet or wherever it was, let me give you an example.

02:42:32.000 That's church police!

02:42:34.000 That's absolutely correct.

02:42:36.000 They kept a secret file on me that went clear back to 1971.

02:42:41.000 I'm just going to give you a few of the headlines that was out of the Indianapolis Star.

02:42:48.000 1971, Baptist High School Distress Bible.

02:42:52.000 1978, Reverend Dixon fights daycare license.

02:42:57.000 1978, church plans tech school.

02:43:00.000 1981, pornography target of downtown rally attended by 1,000.

02:43:03.000 1983, Reverend Dixon opposes lottery bill.

02:43:05.000 1983, Reverend Dixon opposes lottery bill.

02:43:08.000 1983, churches to fight encroachment.

02:43:12.000 1985, state laws may collide with church.

02:43:17.000 1986, group to obey Jesus, not government.

02:43:22.000 1987, Dixon opposes Governor Orr on students.

02:43:25.000 And they're putting this in the newspaper as if it's a list of your crimes.

02:43:31.000 Oh my gosh, a church went down and rallied against pornography.

02:43:35.000 They're not allowed to do that.

02:43:36.000 I mean, what country is this?

02:43:39.000 What's the world coming to?

02:43:40.000 A church against pornography?

02:43:44.000 Now listen to this one.

02:43:45.000 How many churches, how many preachers, Chuck, have you heard say, well, when they tell me I can't preach against homosexuality, I'll do something.

02:43:55.000 Listen to this one.

02:43:57.000 Gays urge panel to include them in anti-bias bill.

02:44:03.000 But guess what?

02:44:04.000 Old Big Mouth was there.

02:44:06.000 It was opposed by Reverend Greg Dixon.

02:44:11.000 1990.

02:44:11.000 That was the headlines in the Indianapolis Star.

02:44:15.000 Now this was just a few of them.

02:44:17.000 I don't, I'm not going to take time on the broadcast today to read all of them.

02:44:21.000 This was in, this was in, we got this through Discovery.

02:44:27.000 This was in our file.

02:44:28.000 We got it through Discovery.

02:44:31.000 They've kept a secret file on me since 1971.

02:44:34.000 You think they don't have a file on Chuck Baldwin?

02:44:37.000 You don't think they have a file on Jeffers, First Baptist Church in Dallas?

02:44:42.000 You don't think they have a file on every preacher in America that's speaking out on these public policy issues?

02:44:48.000 Listen, fusion centers, that term comes directly out of East Germany.

02:44:52.000 When I first heard this, Twelve years ago, I didn't believe it.

02:44:56.000 I looked up the federal purchase orders.

02:44:57.000 They hired Marcus Wolf for three years to set up Homeland Security, the former head of the Stasi.

02:45:03.000 This is directly out of East Germany.

02:45:05.000 They actually set up what we're now seeing launch in America.

02:45:11.000 Absolutely.

02:45:12.000 Absolutely.

02:45:14.000 And you can say all you want to about, well, we're going to get some attorney to help us.

02:45:19.000 We're going to get some attorney to fight for us.

02:45:23.000 These attorneys will run. 0.69

02:45:24.000 They'll have their tail between their legs because in the first place, They're going to, the minute you get into court, they're going to say, you signed the contract.

02:45:34.000 You signed the contract!

02:45:36.000 Isn't that the problem in America?

02:45:37.000 Is that, I mean, I don't think of myself as a tough guy or something, but I have no fear of them coming after me, what, maybe in the newspaper, they may set me up.

02:45:46.000 I just have peace, other than wanting to resist them.

02:45:50.000 I don't have peace there.

02:45:51.000 What happened to the spirit in America?

02:45:53.000 Because, because I'm a pretty wicked devil, and I absolutely in my heart want to resist these people in my soul.

02:45:59.000 Where are the men today?

02:46:00.000 Where are the people?

02:46:02.000 I mean, they don't even hardly protest abortion anymore in this country.

02:46:05.000 Where is it?

02:46:06.000 I guess we're just going down.

02:46:09.000 That's one of the reasons that, see, when we were, when we were, the Bible says rebellion is worse than witchcraft.

02:46:15.000 When our church was a corporation, a 501c3 nonprofit corporation, we obeyed all the laws.

02:46:25.000 We withheld taxes.

02:46:27.000 We did everything.

02:46:28.000 We dotted every I. We crossed every T. We did everything.

02:46:32.000 But when we unincorporated, when we got out of the system, when we were no longer a 501c3, we said no more.

02:46:42.000 We didn't do any of those things.

02:46:43.000 We stopped being a federal tax collector for the government.

02:46:47.000 We stopped collecting federal income tax.

02:46:56.000 And our position was that these people are not employees.

02:47:00.000 Well, they spin it like it's demonic to resist a corrupt government, but resisting is one thing.

02:47:08.000 I mean, obviously, rebelling against God is super evil, but they call churches rebellious that don't submit to the government.

02:47:15.000 What do you say to that Romans 13 issue?

02:47:18.000 Well, in the first place, if you've signed the contract, you better obey the contract.

02:47:24.000 But that's what the Biblical Law Center does.

02:47:27.000 We help churches to organize and reorganize so they can be free from 512.

02:47:34.000 And they're doing that successfully by the thousands.

02:47:37.000 So, well, I can't, I'm not saying we're, they're doing it by the thousands.

02:47:40.000 No, no, there are a lot of churches starting and a lot of ones that are, I mean, I got friends right out here that go to churches that have been around for decades that aren't 501c3.

02:47:48.000 I know, but there's more to it than just, I mean, there's, you've got to, you've got to, that's why the Biblical Law Center is trying to, It's more to it than just... I'm telling you, there's more to it.

02:48:01.000 Listen, we'll get Sean for a full hour sometime just to get into the law aspects.

02:48:05.000 I know you've been through it yourself.

02:48:07.000 You're the experts on it.

02:48:08.000 But I wanted to get Chuck Baldwin's take here on the State of the Second Amendment and then get your take, Pastor Dixon.

02:48:14.000 I mean, now the church is... Well, let me ask Dixon briefly.

02:48:17.000 What do you make of the first, you know, the Southern Baptist and all the rest of them coming out and saying, basically, turn in your guns to the government?

02:48:25.000 Well, in the first place, we're seeing now a specific line between fundamentalists and evangelicals, and we've been trying to tell them that all along.

02:48:38.000 There's a difference between fundamentalists and evangelicals.

02:48:41.000 And so these wimpy evangelicals now are wimping out.

02:48:45.000 And so we're seeing it now.

02:48:49.000 And so the evangelicals, they want to be seen as these nice guys and go along guys and to get along guys.

02:48:57.000 And so they're saying, well, we can give in and we can give in on it.

02:49:01.000 And they're doing the same thing on the immigration.

02:49:03.000 They're saying, well, I was a stranger and we took them in.

02:49:08.000 Well, I appreciate that verse, but it doesn't mean that you have to take some wicked people into your home and turn your children over to some predator just because the Bible says, I saw a stranger and we took them in.

02:49:23.000 It doesn't mean that when Well, the point is, it's globalism, it's pure UN ecumenical takedown of America, and it's all moving now, and it should be an alarm bell.

02:49:34.000 If your church is telling you you should know guns, ask why the government has guns.

02:49:39.000 We're supposed to be the government.

02:49:40.000 You say, render unto Caesar, we are the government.

02:49:43.000 The Bill of Rights is the government.

02:49:45.000 That's what you follow.

02:49:46.000 That's the biblical law, not the law of the satanic UN.

02:49:50.000 Pastor Baldwin?

02:49:51.000 Yeah, it's...

02:49:53.000 Thanks, Alex.

02:49:55.000 This is an issue that I'm just really passionate about right now because I think this is the defining issue for the future liberty and freedom of our country.

02:50:05.000 The semi-automatic rifle is the most efficient, the most effective self-defense tool in modern time.

02:50:13.000 It is equivalent to the Roman sword of the first century.

02:50:16.000 Jesus commanded the disciples to buy the Roman sword and to possess the Roman sword.

02:50:22.000 I would remind people that back in the Old Testament in Genesis 14, back before the Law of Moses or anything of that nature, when Lot was taken by five heathen kings, He armed his servants.

02:50:35.000 He, Abram, they went after them.

02:50:38.000 They took them to the battlefield.

02:50:41.000 They fought.

02:50:42.000 He slaughtered the kings.

02:50:44.000 He rescued Lot by the power of the sword.

02:50:48.000 The ability to defend oneself.

02:50:51.000 It is a fundamental natural law principle that is given by God, whether we're Christian or non-Christian, no matter what our denomination or lack thereof.

02:51:01.000 The righteous self-defense is sacrosanct.

02:51:04.000 It is sacrosanct, absolutely, and it is given by God.

02:51:08.000 And for preachers to acquiesce on this issue, Is absolutely, in my opinion, blasphemous against the laws of God.

02:51:17.000 And unfortunately, Greg, I think you'd admit with me that there are many of our brethren In the fundamentalist ranks that have capitulated on this issue just as evangelicals have.

02:51:31.000 Well, I haven't heard any of our unregistered church preachers.

02:51:34.000 Oh yeah, no, maybe not those guys.

02:51:35.000 Not those unregistered guys.

02:51:37.000 I'm sure they haven't. 0.58

02:51:39.000 But there's a lot of guys that would call themselves fundamentalists that teach this asinine interpretation of Romans 13.

02:51:45.000 That no matter what the government declares, that you are to submit.

02:51:49.000 And I've known some of these guys, I know some of these guys personally.

02:51:53.000 Well, I would say that I'd call them, I'm putting them over in the evangelical camp.

02:51:58.000 Well, listen, just to be clear here across the board, guys.

02:52:02.000 Undoubtedly, what do you call this massive explosion of evil moving on all fronts, swarming us?

02:52:09.000 What do you call that in history and biblically?

02:52:12.000 What we're going into?

02:52:13.000 An acceleration?

02:52:13.000 A quickening?

02:52:16.000 Jesus said that in the last days, many, many will fall away, and we're living in that day that many, many are falling away.

02:52:27.000 This is the great falling away.

02:52:29.000 That day will not come until there come a falling away first, and that's exactly what we're seeing.

02:52:36.000 Well, I think we're also seeing the age-old principle of Self-promotion.

02:52:44.000 The idea that I am going to get ahead.

02:52:48.000 I'm going to be prospered.

02:52:49.000 I'm not going to endanger myself.

02:52:52.000 I'm not going to risk anything.

02:52:54.000 I think that's innate in many people.

02:52:57.000 They don't want to risk.

02:52:59.000 They don't want to endanger themselves.

02:53:01.000 Don't they know fortune favors the bold?

02:53:03.000 Our fortune is liberty.

02:53:05.000 Yeah, well, no they don't.

02:53:08.000 For so long they have been taught and indoctrinated in this principle of submission to government.

02:53:15.000 This has been going on for nearly a hundred years.

02:53:18.000 I mean, you've got to go back to the war between the states, probably, before you found preachers that were really talking about this.

02:53:26.000 Since then, the preachers haven't been talking about this.

02:53:29.000 Just the opposite, Alex.

02:53:30.000 They've been talking about submit to the government.

02:53:33.000 The government is good.

02:53:34.000 The government is of God.

02:53:36.000 Don't resist.

02:53:37.000 Do what they say.

02:53:37.000 This has been indoctrinated in them for 150 years probably.

02:53:43.000 I'm not on some high horse because I'm not a preacher and I'm not perfect, but I have a relationship with God and I love innocent people.

02:53:49.000 I want to protect them.

02:53:50.000 I don't know how you couldn't have burning in your bones to resist what's happening.

02:53:54.000 And I don't know how these preachers can actually be saved Christians and sit there and promote all this evil.

02:54:00.000 Pastor Dixon, what do you say to that?

02:54:03.000 Well, all I can say is that I'm not going to say that they're not saved, but I'm going to say they're sure deceived.

02:54:14.000 And the Bible says deceived and being deceived.

02:54:17.000 And I'll guarantee you they need to get back and take a new look at what the Scriptures teach.

02:54:22.000 But I think it's just a total misunderstanding of the whole purpose of the Christian life.

02:54:29.000 And the Bible says, resist the devil and he'll flee from you.

02:54:34.000 And Paul the Apostle said, ye have not yet resisted unto blood.

02:54:39.000 And we're to resist even unto blood.

02:54:42.000 That's what Paul the Apostle said.

02:54:44.000 And we're to resist with everything that is within us.

02:54:49.000 And we've just become so soft.

02:54:52.000 Everything is so soft.

02:54:53.000 Sure, the Bible doesn't say, lick the devil's boots and he'll flee from you.

02:54:57.000 That's right.

02:54:58.000 That's right.

02:54:59.000 And everything is so soft today.

02:55:04.000 We have such soft lives.

02:55:06.000 Soft men.

02:55:07.000 Men are soft. 0.81

02:55:08.000 That's right.

02:55:09.000 And we've become so feminized as men.

02:55:11.000 And we're enjoying.

02:55:15.000 We're at ease in Zion.

02:55:17.000 That's what the Bible says.

02:55:19.000 It says we're at ease in Zion.

02:55:22.000 And the scripture says that Ephraim turned back in the days of battle, and that's where we are.

02:55:29.000 Well, I'm not at ease.

02:55:30.000 I'm not at ease.

02:55:31.000 I mean, I just... I don't know how anybody can be at ease when pure evil is rising all around us.

02:55:38.000 Alex, let's remember too, let's focus again on the importance of standing for the Second Amendment.

02:55:45.000 I just can't stress this enough.

02:55:47.000 Oh yeah, if they get that, they get everything.

02:55:49.000 We must draw our line in the sand on this issue.

02:55:55.000 I mean, I have publicly said, I have publicly written, you've read my stuff and you see what I... I am willing to be a lawbreaker When they tell me that my semi-automatic rifle is against the law, I am willing to be a lawbreaker.

02:56:13.000 I will not submit to that law.

02:56:16.000 I will not register my rifles.

02:56:19.000 I will not surrender my rifles.

02:56:21.000 That's why they hate Heston so much.

02:56:22.000 He said, for my cold, dead hand.

02:56:24.000 It's that not submitting, because they always want a little more, a little more.

02:56:27.000 We said, no, no more.

02:56:29.000 You will not pass.

02:56:31.000 That's why, again I have to say, that's why Tim and I wrote the book, To Keep or Not to Keep, Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns.

02:56:39.000 If we do not take a stand as a church on the issue of the right to keep and bear arms, and preach it from a biblical, natural law perspective, and make people understand that they are morally justified, they are spiritually justified in violating any law, That requires them to surrender their guns.

02:57:03.000 If we don't take that stand and draw that line now...

02:57:08.000 There is no liberty left in America.

02:57:11.000 I cannot stress that.

02:57:12.000 And I want to state something.

02:57:13.000 It's so immoral because we know they want the guns to enslave us.

02:57:17.000 We know they're authoritarian.

02:57:19.000 So you are aiding and abetting the enemy in what they're going to do.

02:57:22.000 And that's why anyone that promotes it knowingly, like these police chiefs and stuff that know, they are active collaborators with the enemy.

02:57:30.000 They are globalist operatives and we know who runs the New World Order.

02:57:33.000 They are agents of Satan.

02:57:35.000 And that's not a verbal flourish. 0.96

02:57:37.000 These people are agents, consciously, of the devil.

02:57:40.000 Go ahead.

02:57:41.000 Well, I appreciate what you're saying, but what you have to understand is, and this may sound Pollyanna, but the First Amendment was written before the Second Amendment.

02:57:55.000 No, I know they have the right.

02:57:57.000 I'm saying they want our guns to devour us.

02:58:00.000 I appreciate what you're saying, but I want you to hear me for just a moment.

02:58:05.000 We gave up the First Amendment.

02:58:09.000 Now, we didn't... The Bible says judgment must begin at the house of God.

02:58:15.000 That's right.

02:58:16.000 And the preachers gave up the First Amendment.

02:58:22.000 And if we weren't willing to fight for the First Amendment, why do you think they're going to be willing to fight for the Second Amendment?

02:58:29.000 That's right.

02:58:30.000 I'm going to fight for the Second Amendment, and I know a lot of others that are as well.

02:58:34.000 Five minutes to overdrive, gentlemen.

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03:00:26.000 Look, I got in Piers Morgan's face.

03:00:29.000 Made a lot of little people uncomfortable out there because they want to be in a trance, but it's now been seen as a seminal moment in television by many people.

03:00:37.000 And it's because I simply got in his face and said, I know you're coming to take my guns to enslave me.

03:00:41.000 Now it turns out the article's up at Infowars.com.

03:00:45.000 We've got him coming on Sunday.

03:00:48.000 The Veritas Project, they went to his house, and he's got armed security guards.

03:00:52.000 Okay, so there you go.

03:00:54.000 That is the individual at CNN, Piers Morgan.

03:00:57.000 They want our guns consciously to enslave us.

03:01:00.000 And you got the state rep out in Colorado who says, well, we gotta ban 15-round mags, because after you've used the mag, you throw it away. 0.99

03:01:08.000 I mean, you know, there's also a lot of useful idiots in this, so yeah, we shouldn't judge them all. 0.98

03:01:12.000 I judge their actions. 0.99

03:01:13.000 I don't judge them.

03:01:13.000 I want... I don't enjoy hating the New World Order.

03:01:16.000 I hate what they're doing.

03:01:17.000 I want to give Pastor Dixon two minutes to finish up, and then the last word to Pastor Chuck Baldwin.

03:01:22.000 ChuckBaldwinLive.com, BiblicalLawCenter.com for Greg Dixon.

03:01:27.000 Greg, two minutes.

03:01:29.000 Well, I appreciate what Chuck said, and I'm not talking about him.

03:01:33.000 I just want to reiterate what we were saying, that the preachers, I'm talking about the preachers, if they're not willing to take a stand on the First Amendment and fight for God and the right to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ unfettered, free from government.

03:01:56.000 Why in the world do we think that they would be willing to fight for the Second Amendment?

03:01:59.000 That's the point that I'm trying to make.

03:02:02.000 And once again, I rejoice that there are still programs like this one, and we need to support Alex Jones and we need to stand and give thanks to the Lord that we still have freedom of the press in this country, that we still have programs of this kind, conservative broadcast, conservative television.

03:02:28.000 We trust that you go to our website.

03:02:33.000 TheBiblicalLawCenter.com.

03:02:36.000 I'd like for you to get my book, The Trail of Blood Revisited, how to be free, getting free from 501c3.

03:02:42.000 Yeah, we need to carry that book because I've read excerpts and I've gotten to read the whole thing.

03:02:47.000 I want to get you back on in the next month for a full hour on breaking the bonds of enslavement over the churches.

03:02:52.000 We'll talk to you very soon.

03:02:53.000 Thanks for all the time, Pastor Dixon.

03:02:56.000 Thank you very much.

03:02:57.000 Thanks for having me.

03:02:57.000 You bet.

03:02:58.000 Had the biggest church in the country, and found out about all this, did the right thing, and is now trying to bring the church out of bondage.

03:03:05.000 And again, even if you don't believe in God, folks, when the government takes over the church, you're in trouble.

03:03:09.000 Final comments, Chuck Baldwin.

03:03:10.000 Pastor Baldwin.

03:03:12.000 Yeah, Alex, thanks a lot, and Greg's a great man, and I appreciate you having him on.

03:03:16.000 Yeah, I just think it's absolutely critical that we, regardless of whether we call ourselves Christians or not, whether we go to church or not, that we understand the moral, biblical principles that are undergirding the Second Amendment.

03:03:31.000 That the battle is being waged right now over the right to keep and bear arms.

03:03:38.000 This is where the battle is raging.

03:03:40.000 We must not capitulate, compromise, or surrender this issue.

03:03:44.000 If we do, there is no more freedom of any kind left in the United States.

03:03:49.000 And a lot of times I'm finding that many unsaved, unchurched people are more willing to stand for the Second Amendment than many of my Christian brethren.

03:03:59.000 And I find that really disconcerting.

03:04:01.000 It's because they've got instincts.

03:04:04.000 They've got gut.

03:04:06.000 And they're good people who probably deep down love God.

03:04:09.000 Absolutely right.

03:04:10.000 God-fearing people.

03:04:11.000 I hear in our fellowship in the Flathead Valley of Montana, Liberty Fellowship that I started a couple years ago.

03:04:18.000 We have people of all types that come to our fellowship.

03:04:22.000 Some don't even profess to be Christian.

03:04:24.000 But they appreciate the biblically-based principles of liberty that we preach every Sunday afternoon from our pulpit that's live-streamed at LibertyFellowshipMontana.com.

03:04:35.000 So I'm finding people of all kinds and all shapes and sizes.

03:04:39.000 That are willing to stand and I'm very encouraged by that.

03:04:42.000 What I'm not encouraged about is people like Franklin Graham and Richard Land and so many of these other preachers across America that are not willing to stand up in their pulpits for the Second Amendment.

03:04:53.000 So I encourage people if they're attending a church where the pastor is not standing up for the Second Amendment Speak out.

03:05:00.000 Speak out.

03:05:00.000 Thank you, Pastor.

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Alex Jones Show - April 05, 2013

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