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00:00:36.000 I'm David Knight, your host today on this Thursday, December 4th, 2014.

00:00:39.000 Things are getting really crazy, folks.

00:00:43.000 Not only these grand jury non-indictments, but the reactions of people.

00:00:48.000 We've got a story up on InfoWars right now.

00:00:51.000 Left has gone insane saying that White Christmas is now racist.

00:00:56.000 They had actually had people tweet that out.

00:00:59.000 Uh, angry about the ceremony at Rockefeller Center where they lighted the Christmas tree and played White Christmas saying that that was racist.

00:01:06.000 That's the story up by Paul Joseph Watson and he's going to be joining us in the second hour.

00:01:10.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:01:12.000 We're also going to talk about another one of his stories up there.

00:01:14.000 Cops celebrate the Garner decision also on Twitter.

00:01:18.000 It's amazing to see what, uh, What people really think.

00:01:22.000 It's kind of like looking at Twitter.

00:01:24.000 It's kind of like doing a man on the street.

00:01:26.000 You can really see what people think.

00:01:28.000 So you got some cops talking about it.

00:01:29.000 They said, let's celebrate. 0.99

00:01:31.000 Let's kick some thug butt. 1.00

00:01:33.000 It's a euphemism. 0.99

00:01:35.000 That's not exactly what he said.

00:01:37.000 But that's another article from Paul.

00:01:38.000 So he's going to be joining us in the second hour.

00:01:40.000 He's going to be with us the second and third hour.

00:01:43.000 Also joining us in the second hour is going to be Lionel, the talk show host.

00:01:47.000 He's based out of New York, so interested to see what he's seen there as an eyewitness.

00:01:53.000 And of course, he's a former prosecutor and defense attorney.

00:01:56.000 I want to also talk about what's going on with these grand jury indictments or non-indictments.

00:02:02.000 That's something that I don't think really has been covered enough, how the system is corrupt and working not to investigate itself.

00:02:10.000 I mean, when you've got the government Investigating itself, doing it in secret.

00:02:14.000 Do you really think you're going to get anything other than non-indictments?

00:02:19.000 They've been training police, and we see these, several of these recent incidents.

00:02:24.000 It's been rookie cops who have done the shooting.

00:02:26.000 They're along with a veteran cop, but it's a rookie who comes out shooting.

00:02:30.000 The rookie with his gun drawn, who shoots somebody without warning, shoots somebody who's not armed.

00:02:35.000 We see this over and over again.

00:02:36.000 We've seen that in New Mexico.

00:02:38.000 They're actually training what, in the State Police Academy, we had a veteran instructor angry about the fact that they were teaching what he said was a shoot first curriculum.

00:02:50.000 This veteran police instructor at the police, the State Police Academy, called them out on it and basically they wouldn't do it.

00:02:57.000 He resigned or, I don't know if he resigned or they fired him, but basically he wouldn't do it.

00:03:01.000 The rules are changing.

00:03:04.000 They're changing the way they're teaching the cops and of course we've been covering the militarization of the police.

00:03:08.000 We see the equipment that they're giving them.

00:03:10.000 Now of course Obama has come out with some prescriptions for correcting this and there you see that picture that was up in New Mexico and of course they got that on film and of course we got the filming of Of Mr. Garner, who was just killed, but, you know, the solution is going to be get more cameras.

00:03:29.000 No, that's not the solution.

00:03:31.000 It's just going to, that's not changing anything.

00:03:33.000 If you don't change how you're instructing them, essentially the rules of engagement, because they're being told they're working in a military environment, if you don't change that mindset, That they're out there, that there's people who want to kill them, and if they don't shoot first, they're not going to come home to their families.

00:03:52.000 If you don't stop that, if you don't stop the military mindset, it isn't going to do any good to have the cameras out there.

00:03:58.000 But he's also come up with some other solutions.

00:04:00.000 We're going to take a look at the former police commissioner, or maybe he still is a police commissioner in Philadelphia.

00:04:07.000 I think he is.

00:04:09.000 But anyway, he's going to put him in charge of his task force on 21st century policing.

00:04:14.000 Can you imagine what that task force is going to look like?

00:04:17.000 We're going to look at the background of this police chief.

00:04:21.000 It's not anybody that I would put in charge of it.

00:04:24.000 He has had a lot of problems, a lot of problems in his department.

00:04:28.000 We're going to look at that.

00:04:29.000 And of course, Eric Holder is talking about it as simply being a racial issue.

00:04:34.000 He's promising now to End racial profiling once and for all.

00:04:39.000 See, if they can turn it into that, then we don't address the real problems that are here.

00:04:45.000 And, of course, we're going to talk about the manufactured racism of the left.

00:04:48.000 And we're going to talk about some good cops in Illinois, of all places, who are known for its corruption.

00:04:54.000 But some good cops, I think they're outside of Chicago, standing up to the corrupt police department.

00:05:00.000 They're demanding arrest quotas.

00:05:02.000 And we've seen that happen before with a whistleblower in New York.

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00:08:26.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

00:08:40.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

00:08:42.000 It's a strange news day today.

00:08:44.000 We've got an article up on Infowars.com.

00:08:47.000 The left has gone insane saying, White Christmas is now racist.

00:08:51.000 That was a tweet from somebody angry about the ceremony yesterday in New York at Rockefeller Center, of course, in the wake of the non-indictment of the officer who murdered Eric Garner.

00:09:06.000 And I say murdered.

00:09:07.000 It is definitely a homicide.

00:09:09.000 I'm not the one saying that by myself.

00:09:11.000 Of course, that was the coroner said that, but the grand jury did not return an indictment.

00:09:16.000 So we're going to look at that.

00:09:16.000 We're going to look at people's reaction.

00:09:18.000 We're going to look at real racism, manufactured racism.

00:09:22.000 Not just from people on Twitter talking about how white privilege is on display here, but we're also going to talk about the manufactured racism of Eric Holder and Obama, and we're also going to talk about Obama's proposed solutions.

00:09:40.000 There's non-solutions of getting more cameras.

00:09:42.000 Hey, they recorded what happened there.

00:09:45.000 That didn't do any good.

00:09:46.000 They recorded what happened when the homeless man was shot in the hills outside of Albuquerque.

00:09:51.000 They recorded the homeless man being shot by eight police officers shooting 49 shots at him from a distance.

00:09:58.000 He was unarmed.

00:09:59.000 We've seen these recordings.

00:10:00.000 We've seen them ad nauseum.

00:10:03.000 We've seen the video that went viral, over a million views.

00:10:06.000 This is what happens when you call the cops.

00:10:09.000 We've got that linked up on InfoWars from a couple of days ago.

00:10:12.000 We've seen it!

00:10:14.000 It just makes us angry because they're not doing anything about it.

00:10:17.000 But of course, that's what the police are being trained for in the police academies.

00:10:21.000 But we're also going to talk about some good cops.

00:10:23.000 We're going to talk about some honest cops in Illinois.

00:10:25.000 Like I said, of all places you wouldn't really expect that.

00:10:29.000 Suing their police department because they've been given arrest quotas.

00:10:34.000 Told to arrest people even without probable cause.

00:10:36.000 We've seen that happen in New York in the case of Adrian Schoolcraft.

00:10:40.000 He recorded the police there for a long time.

00:10:43.000 He wore a mic because he knew that was what was happening there.

00:10:47.000 A great whistleblower.

00:10:49.000 He was told on occasions to go out and arrest people on Halloween.

00:10:54.000 He said they told him to go out and just pick up the first three to five people that they get, bring them back, we'll work out the charges later, don't stick around and do the paperwork, and then go out and get another three to five.

00:11:06.000 He's got recordings of them saying that.

00:11:08.000 You want to talk about recordings?

00:11:09.000 He's got recordings of them saying that.

00:11:11.000 What are they doing about it?

00:11:12.000 Well, when they found out that he was recording these arrest quotas, these illegal actions that they were giving... Oh, and there's another thing I've got to tell you too.

00:11:21.000 Adrian Schoolcraft pointed out that they were covering up serious crime meanwhile going after people really hard on small minor variations things like we just saw with the Eric Garner case you know when you got bankers who steal billions of dollars from people and they get interest-free loans yet you got one guy with a petty crime selling some loose cigarettes and he gets killed on the streets

00:11:50.000 That's what has been going on for a very long time in the city of New York.

00:11:54.000 That's what Adrian Schoolcraft was primarily showing.

00:11:57.000 He was showing that when people would report a rape or a car theft, they didn't want those serious crime statistics to show up.

00:12:04.000 They wanted to show that crime was going down.

00:12:06.000 Giuliani bragged about that, you know, he's getting serious crime down.

00:12:10.000 Well, the way they did it was they would show up and they would say, your car really wasn't stolen.

00:12:14.000 Don't you remember that you had a cousin who you loaned it to?

00:12:19.000 Because if you file this as a car theft, you're going to be tied up.

00:12:23.000 You're going to lose a lot of work.

00:12:24.000 You've got a lot of paperwork to do. 0.98

00:12:25.000 They would tell that to rape victims. 1.00

00:12:26.000 They would say, you're going to have to go to court.

00:12:29.000 You're going to have to relive all of this stuff.

00:12:31.000 Your reputation is going to be publicly ruined.

00:12:34.000 You don't really want to say this is a rape.

00:12:36.000 Don't you want to change your story and not report this as a rape?

00:12:39.000 But then when it came to petty violations, you got too much hair on the floor of your barber shop.

00:12:45.000 They would hit those people with a couple hundred dollar fines.

00:12:48.000 That's the city of New York.

00:12:50.000 That's Giuliani's New York.

00:12:52.000 That's Bloomberg's New York.

00:12:53.000 That's Blasio's New York.

00:12:54.000 That's been New York for a long time.

00:12:57.000 That's what's really behind.

00:12:58.000 That's a big part of what's behind this.

00:13:00.000 But of course there are police brutality issues.

00:13:02.000 There's excessive use of force issues.

00:13:04.000 They need to be rained down.

00:13:05.000 We got another story from Paul Joseph Watson.

00:13:08.000 Cops celebrate on Twitter the Garner decision. 0.99

00:13:10.000 Let's say let's kick some thug. 1.00

00:13:12.000 I'll say but because I can't say what they actually said on the air. 0.98

00:13:16.000 That's what we see them celebrating on Twitter, just as we see some other tweets saying, White Christmas is now racist.

00:13:23.000 This is the kind of insanity that is coming out of this.

00:13:26.000 The kind of, the way that people are choosing upsides.

00:13:31.000 And we're going to be talking to Paul Joseph Watson.

00:13:33.000 Those two stories are both his.

00:13:35.000 As I said in the first segment, when you look at Twitter, it's kind of like doing a man on the street survey.

00:13:41.000 You can see some amazing things, and both of those stories that Paul has up there are about Twitter.

00:13:46.000 He's going to be joining us in the second hour, and of course we want to get your comments as well.

00:13:52.000 And I don't want to ignore what's going on with the legal system, with the grand jury.

00:13:57.000 This is not a trial.

00:13:58.000 Let's understand this.

00:14:00.000 A grand jury hearing is not a trial.

00:14:04.000 It has a jury, but it has only the prosecutor.

00:14:09.000 And as Judge Napolitano said, if you don't get an indictment, it's because you don't want an indictment.

00:14:14.000 Many people have been saying this.

00:14:15.000 Of course, there's the expression that everybody uses when they start talking about grand juries.

00:14:20.000 They say, you can indict a ham sandwich with a grand jury.

00:14:23.000 It's a very low standard of proof to take it to a trial.

00:14:30.000 And of course, it's only being controlled by the prosecutor.

00:14:32.000 So if the prosecutor controls what the jury sees, and it's not an adversarial situation, that's the key thing.

00:14:39.000 Another key thing is that it is not public.

00:14:43.000 They're using these grand juries as a beard for not taking these things to trial, for not talking about what's going on there.

00:14:50.000 They don't want people to see that.

00:14:53.000 So they do this secretly, as there was an article that was from Breitbart, and I gotta say, it was one of the most sycophantic articles I've ever seen for the system, by Ben Shapiro.

00:15:07.000 One thing, though, that he has in here that's correct, he says, the charges.

00:15:10.000 First of all, it's vital to note that nobody knows exactly what the charges filed with the grand jury were against the police officer.

00:15:16.000 According to ABC News, the charges could have included second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, felony assault, reckless endangerment.

00:15:24.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:15:25.000 We don't even know what they were coming at for charges.

00:15:28.000 That's the point.

00:15:29.000 Whenever I've contacted district attorneys to try to get information on cases, I've been told by district attorneys, this is a grand jury situation.

00:15:37.000 Those records are sealed.

00:15:38.000 We're not going to put them out.

00:15:39.000 What the guy did in Ferguson, the prosecutor in Ferguson, did is very, very unusual to make that public.

00:15:46.000 And of course he did it as a document dump.

00:15:48.000 Thousands of pages and people are starting to go through that and there's a crowdsourcing investigation to see what happened.

00:15:55.000 And we, in retrospect, look at that and we find some very amazing things that have come out.

00:16:00.000 Things like the fact that the police show up and they don't bother to record any of his initial statements.

00:16:07.000 The officer who was supposed to be doing that said, My recorder was out of batteries.

00:16:12.000 I didn't have a pen that wrote.

00:16:13.000 And you know, I just can't remember because there was just so many important things going on.

00:16:17.000 Wasn't it important to take the statement of the police officer?

00:16:20.000 And of course, they talk about how whenever they show up on a crime, their assumption is that a police officer has been attacked and is the victim.

00:16:27.000 That's their assumption.

00:16:28.000 When they go to a grand jury, that is still the same assumption.

00:16:32.000 That the police officer is the one who's innocent.

00:16:35.000 That's why you don't see indictments.

00:16:36.000 Let me tell you, grand juries, the last year they took statistics in 2010, they had 162,000 grand jury cases.

00:16:41.000 You know how many did not return an indictment?

00:16:42.000 in grand jury cases.

00:16:43.000 You know how many did not return an indictment?

00:16:47.000 Eleven.

00:16:48.000 Eleven.

00:16:50.000 That means when you go before a grand jury, you've got about a 99.9999% chance of getting indicted if they take you before a grand jury because they control, the prosecutor controls the entire process.

00:17:02.000 If they don't indict you, it's because they don't want to indict you.

00:17:05.000 When you look at the Darren Wilson thing, any defense attorney that isn't absolutely convinced that the police are on his side is not going to let his client testify at all.

00:17:14.000 At a grand jury situation.

00:17:16.000 He can't even be present.

00:17:17.000 The defense attorney can't even be present.

00:17:19.000 He can't object to anything that the prosecutor is saying to his client.

00:17:24.000 And everything is going to be on the record.

00:17:26.000 You're talking about waiving your Miranda rights.

00:17:29.000 Yet Darren Wilson was allowed to go into this grand jury and talk for over four hours because he wasn't the one on trial.

00:17:35.000 It was Michael Brown who was the one on trial.

00:17:37.000 And that's the way they look at this.

00:17:40.000 So we're going to talk a little bit about that, about people's reactions to it.

00:17:42.000 We're also going to have Joe Biggs joining us in the next segment.

00:17:45.000 He's going to join us in the segment before the bottom of the hour because one of the stories that's come up is a story about Michael Hastings has resurfaced again.

00:17:54.000 We see some emails within the FBI that have been released because of a FOIA request.

00:18:00.000 And we see that they're talking about how they can put down these conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Michael Hastings and of course that's how Joe Biggs essentially got hooked up with Infowars initially and as part of that investigation because he didn't want to take the mainstream media's lies on that.

00:18:20.000 He was very angry about what had happened.

00:18:21.000 He didn't believe it.

00:18:22.000 We didn't believe it.

00:18:23.000 We interviewed him.

00:18:24.000 He made some public comments on some other shows and You know, Joe wants to get to the bottom of things.

00:18:31.000 He wants to get to the truth, and he isn't going to take some improbable, impossible explanations for stuff, and neither are we.

00:18:39.000 That's why Joe is here.

00:18:40.000 That's why we're here.

00:18:41.000 So he's going to talk to us for a five-minute segment before the bottom of the break.

00:18:47.000 We're going to take your calls.

00:18:49.000 We're going to get your opinion.

00:18:50.000 I want to know what you think about these situations in New York and in Ferguson.

00:18:55.000 And of course, we've got a lot of other stories that are coming out.

00:18:57.000 Before we get to the serious news, though, there's a story that was on Drudge, a couple of stories.

00:19:04.000 One, about the hundred missing brains in Texas.

00:19:08.000 We have, at the University of Texas, they had a hundred brains go missing.

00:19:12.000 And we've done Men on the Streets there, and I was just surprised that it was only a hundred brains that are missing, because whenever I've gone down there to do Men on the Streets, it seems like there's a lot of missing brains.

00:19:21.000 But these are brains that were actually stored in bottles, and they've now found, they believe that they were destroyed about a decade ago.

00:19:31.000 Interesting Another article that was on drudge.

00:19:35.000 Mice implanted with human brain cells become smarter.

00:19:41.000 This would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

00:19:44.000 They're creating chimeras.

00:19:45.000 They're putting human cells in the mice of brains. 0.53

00:19:47.000 And no, this isn't Pinky and the brain.

00:19:50.000 Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

00:19:52.000 If you're thinking that this is a way to unleash really dangerous chimeras with this kind of genetic experiments, that's what I'm thinking. 0.98

00:20:01.000 I'm going to be right back.

00:20:02.000 We're taking your calls and Joe Biggs is going to join us to talk about Michael Hastings.

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00:24:21.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, I'm David Knight, your host today, and with me in studio is Joe Biggs, our reporter who joined us, really got in touch with us because of the Michael Hastings investigation.

00:24:41.000 We were looking at this, now we've got a story saying that the Emails that were released as part of a FOIA request show the FBI was working to debunk quote conspiracy theories now of course the entire The term conspiracy theory is something that was created by the FBI to shut down investigations And questions about the official story about the JFK assassination And we had some real questions about this Michael Hastings death from the get-go as we were just talking about

00:25:11.000 I immediately knew when I looked at this and saw the pictures of the engine down the road at a right angle to where the car had crashed into the tree.

00:25:22.000 I knew that that didn't happen from it crashing in the tree.

00:25:25.000 When you crash a car into a tree, the engine is not going to be ejected 150 feet or 200 feet or whatever down the road.

00:25:32.000 It's going to be captured into the car.

00:25:34.000 And you could also see that the fire was contained to the front of the car.

00:25:37.000 It did not involve the rear of the car.

00:25:41.000 And I did a lot of research about car accidents after that, specifically because of that.

00:25:46.000 Because it's something of an urban legend that Hollywood has.

00:25:50.000 We drive a car off a cliff and it immediately explodes.

00:25:53.000 That doesn't happen unless it's a rear-end collision and the gas tank is ruptured.

00:25:58.000 And that gas tank, the rear end of that car was still in effect.

00:26:00.000 Well, even then though, I mean, I've actually shot a car, you know, being in combat and shot gas tanks before and watched them explode.

00:26:08.000 It blows up and the fire isn't even that bad.

00:26:11.000 It takes hours to get to the point where what happened in the Hastings crash.

00:26:16.000 Now you gotta think, he's traveling down, you know, his direction of path.

00:26:20.000 So there's a few things that happen.

00:26:21.000 He's traveling, then you see a flash of light, then you see the lights in the vehicle go out.

00:26:25.000 So that's where there's an explosion.

00:26:28.000 Yes.

00:26:28.000 Then you see the flash.

00:26:29.000 So at that point, that's where the engine's ejected.

00:26:32.000 And that's what came, eventually we saw that.

00:26:32.000 Exactly.

00:26:34.000 But understand, on the very first night, when you see that engine down there, it's like, Something is wrong.

00:26:38.000 Exactly.

00:26:39.000 And we knew that he had made a lot of enemies in Afghanistan, when you were talking to him, and with McChrystal, who is, you know, the guy, the general in charge there.

00:26:50.000 So we knew he had a lot of powerful enemies.

00:26:52.000 He was almost kicked off of Air Force One as well, when he was doing the Panic 2012 book about the Obama campaign.

00:26:59.000 He had a lot of enemies in high places, and this happens.

00:27:01.000 And then we learned that he was, WikiLeaks said that he was being investigated.

00:27:06.000 And so it's just one thing after the other.

00:27:09.000 As you start to look at it, it all starts to unravel.

00:27:11.000 The physical evidence, then the video that surfaces, then the emails that surface.

00:27:15.000 But talk about, just before we came back on, just before we had the break, you were talking about the unusual aspects of this FOIA request and the investigation.

00:27:27.000 So when you submit a FOIA request, there's a few things that happen.

00:27:31.000 For this one, the original FOIA requests were based off of the media chatter.

00:27:38.000 Hey, because of the email that I had released and all that, was he being investigated by the FBI?

00:27:43.000 And maybe that's the reason why he was leaving at such high speeds in the middle of the night or early morning, however you want to look at it.

00:27:50.000 Well, when you submit a phobia request like that, they're supposed to come back with a confirm or deny as to whether or not they're investigating that individual.

00:27:59.000 Well, this didn't happen in this case for some reason.

00:28:01.000 They flat out said no, they were not looking into Michael Hasings.

00:28:05.000 So that in itself is very unusual.

00:28:07.000 That's something that doesn't happen.

00:28:09.000 It's like I said, it's a confirm or deny.

00:28:11.000 So, like I said, they flat out said, no, we're not.

00:28:14.000 But then a year later, they came out and said, well, actually, we were looking at Michael Hastings for what they called controversial reporting in his Rolling Stone article about the Bo Bergdahl, the last American prisoner of war.

00:28:28.000 So it just goes to show you that they were so quick to say, no, we have nothing to do with this.

00:28:34.000 And now they're trying to scramble around, apparently, and debunk these conspiracy theories.

00:28:39.000 Well, we always catch them in a flat out lie.

00:28:41.000 We always look at this.

00:28:43.000 We're not conspiracy theorists.

00:28:45.000 We are skeptics who investigate the official story, or any story that people have.

00:28:50.000 And we ought to come to these things with a healthy dose of skepticism.

00:28:54.000 That's really the only kind of objectivity that you can really have.

00:28:56.000 If you're investigating a murder as a police detective, you don't want to come in and say, well, I was told by his wife that such and such happened, so I'm not going to investigate her.

00:29:06.000 She's above investigation, yeah. 0.99

00:29:08.000 So, I mean, we look at this, we immediately see there's something wrong with it.

00:29:11.000 Then we see things start to surface.

00:29:13.000 The fact that WikiLeaks says that he had contacted them.

00:29:17.000 We hear testimony that he was concerned that he was being followed.

00:29:21.000 He was looking under his car for bombs, his landlady said.

00:29:26.000 We see a lot of things like this start to surface.

00:29:28.000 The fact that he sent out communications to people that he worked with and said, I'm gonna be gone for quite some time.

00:29:33.000 I mean, it was really, really I mean, I had a deep gut feeling that something was up.

00:29:39.000 You know, and they come out and they're like, DMT, DMT, this is what it is.

00:29:42.000 Drug results show that there's DMT in the system.

00:29:45.000 Okay, look, you know, that has nothing to do with an engine shooting out of a vehicle.

00:29:51.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:29:52.000 Thank you so much, Joe.

00:29:52.000 It was phony.

00:29:53.000 We're going to be right back with your calls.

00:29:56.000 Thanks, Joe.

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00:33:37.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this Thursday, December 4th.

00:33:49.000 We're going to be joined in the next hour, Paul Joseph Watson.

00:33:54.000 He's been looking at reactions to the Eric Garner non-indictment that didn't happen.

00:33:59.000 The police officer was not indicted for the death of Eric Garner, the man who was choked to death or who they caused to have a heart attack because he was selling single cigarettes on the sidewalk.

00:34:13.000 Something that New York City is very serious about, getting their taxes and of course harassing petty crime that they can get revenue out of letting the serious crime go.

00:34:23.000 That was a story of Adrian Schoolcraft, a New York City cop, and I talked about what he did recording the police for a couple years.

00:34:31.000 Let me tell you what they did when they found out about it.

00:34:35.000 As we see so often, it's not the person who exposes...

00:34:40.000 Illegal activity exposed by a whistleblower.

00:34:43.000 They don't arrest the people who are conducting the illegal activity, as we see over and over again.

00:34:47.000 No, they arrest the whistleblower.

00:34:50.000 In this case, they came to his apartment.

00:34:53.000 I think it was the second in command at the New York City Police Department.

00:34:57.000 They told him they were very concerned that he seemed suicidal.

00:35:02.000 And for his own protection, they were going to put him in an insane asylum.

00:35:07.000 And he recorded this.

00:35:08.000 He was wired in his own apartment recording that.

00:35:12.000 And they of course knew that he'd been recording them.

00:35:14.000 So they found that recording.

00:35:15.000 What they didn't find was the recorder that he'd put on the shelf.

00:35:18.000 He had actually a second one.

00:35:19.000 His father was a retired cop.

00:35:23.000 And when he went missing, because they took him and put him into an insane asylum, he was there for several days before his father, the retired cop, was able to find him.

00:35:32.000 He began a large lawsuit in the city of New York.

00:35:35.000 And he was a key witness in the stop-and-frisk cases and hearings that were going on where the New York City Police Department would just stop people on the street and frisk them for no apparent reason, for no probable cause.

00:35:50.000 Now we're going to look at some good cops who've had some Besides Adrian Schoolcraft, we've had several cops actually file suit in Illinois.

00:35:59.000 We're going to talk about that story.

00:36:01.000 Saying that their police department was essentially telling them to do the same thing that the New York City Police Department was.

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00:36:12.000 And they said, we don't want to arrest people without probable cause.

00:36:16.000 So we're going to talk about that.

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00:37:51.000 Now I want to go to some of your calls, but first I want to just hit some of the high points, some of the headlines of some of the other articles we're going to talk about later on in the show.

00:37:59.000 We have Texas has filed as part of a 17 state lawsuit challenging Obama's unconstitutional amnesty executive action.

00:38:07.000 And of course our governor-elect is the current Attorney General, Greg Abbott.

00:38:12.000 He has sued the federal government over a lot of illegal activity and it's been a target-rich environment actually under the Obama administration.

00:38:21.000 He's leading that lawsuit.

00:38:24.000 And Texas is, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with that.

00:38:27.000 Also, Obama, he got caught a couple of days ago saying, as he was getting heckled, he was trying to pull it back, he obviously got flustered, and he said to the demonstrators who were heckling him because he hadn't done enough for illegal aliens, he goes, hey, I changed the law for y'all.

00:38:43.000 I changed the law for you.

00:38:45.000 Get that?

00:38:46.000 I changed the law.

00:38:48.000 It said 22 times, hey, we don't live in a dictatorship.

00:38:51.000 We've got a constitution.

00:38:52.000 I just can't arbitrarily change the law.

00:38:54.000 That's not how the country works.

00:38:55.000 But then...

00:38:56.000 When he's under pressure with some hecklers, he said, hey, I changed the law for you.

00:39:00.000 Now he's trying to walk that back.

00:39:02.000 He says, well, you know, he was just speaking colloquially when he admitted to violating the Constitution, acting as a dictator.

00:39:09.000 This is something that has been building under Republicans as well as Democrats.

00:39:14.000 And I say Republicans are even more guilty about it because they keep telling us that they're going to do something about it.

00:39:21.000 And their opposition lasted all of five minutes after the election, as they're pointing out yesterday.

00:39:26.000 They didn't do anything about it.

00:39:28.000 Yet, the only thing they did when they came back after the election before they left again for Thanksgiving holidays, was to pass the Keystone Pipeline for the ninth time.

00:39:37.000 And I've probably said that on air nine times, and I'll keep saying it.

00:39:40.000 Because they know the Keystone Pipeline legislation they passed was never going to go past the Senate.

00:39:45.000 And of course the President would have vetoed it, and yet they tell us they can't do an impeachment for all the criminal, illegal activities of the Obama administration.

00:39:56.000 All they need is one of them.

00:39:57.000 All they need is using the IRS against political enemies, doing it at a scale and a scope that Richard Nixon Never even conceived of from what we can see in the impeachment articles there.

00:40:08.000 He wasn't accused that I'm sure he probably could have conceived of it He had some pretty dark thoughts.

00:40:13.000 I'm sure but He never did anything the scope and the scale of what Obama has done and of course he has people all the way down The government covering that up with the Justice Department I talked about whistleblowers, not going to jail when the criminals don't.

00:40:32.000 We had a great interview last night.

00:40:33.000 I'm not sure when it's going to air.

00:40:34.000 It's either going to air tomorrow or Monday, because if it airs tomorrow, it's going to go on YouTube on Saturday.

00:40:42.000 That's really a bad time to release an important interview like this.

00:40:45.000 But I talked to a fellow who was on the ground floor with Savings and Loan Investigations, a Greg Morse.

00:40:52.000 He did investigations about the banking scandal, found the largest tax evasion case in history.

00:40:58.000 And this is not tax avoidance.

00:41:00.000 This is tax evasion.

00:41:02.000 Criminal tax evasion.

00:41:04.000 Now, he also found, of course, the largest securities fraud situation.

00:41:10.000 He's reported both of those to the IRS, to the SEC.

00:41:13.000 Doesn't apparently appear to be any interest from them, not surprisingly.

00:41:17.000 And of course, the Justice Department doesn't think they have any jurisdiction in that.

00:41:22.000 It's interesting because the biggest IRS whistleblower, who got eventually a $104 million dollar whistleblower fee for exposing tax evasion from the IRS, before he got that, he spent two or three years in jail.

00:41:38.000 He reported tax evasion using the Swiss bank UBS and the Swiss banking system in general.

00:41:44.000 It caused a massive change in tax issues and it caused them to get a lot of revenue.

00:41:51.000 But before they treated him as a whistleblower, the Department of Justice, Eric Holder's Department of Justice, sent him to jail.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, he exposed criminal activity and only the whistleblower goes to jail.

00:42:04.000 None of the bankers ever went to jail.

00:42:05.000 Even after they completed the investigation, found these guys guilty, none of the rich and powerful, none of the criminal bankers did it.

00:42:13.000 Now this interview is interesting because this interview actually is not just a historical expose of wrongdoing.

00:42:20.000 It shows what is actually still going on.

00:42:22.000 How they are using this money into Channeling an end to black operations that are going to be funding taking down other governments, funding terrorism, funding drugs, that sort of thing. 0.94

00:42:35.000 It's really like the Iran-Contra scandal, except instead of being funded by illegal weapon sales to Iran, instead of being funded by crack cocaine, their black operations are being funded by stealing your mortgage. 0.68

00:42:48.000 And the thing I like about the interview is that he gives you something to do for free that I think could have a big impact on this.

00:42:58.000 So look for that interview.

00:42:58.000 It's going to be coming up in the next couple of days.

00:43:01.000 Now I want to go to your calls, but as I said, I wanted to cover just briefly some of the other headlines that are here besides the amnesty issue.

00:43:07.000 We've also got a story we're going to talk about later about the CPS confiscating children after a family chooses home birth.

00:43:14.000 We also have an anti-fluoride campaign going on in Dallas.

00:43:17.000 I like the slogan, get the F out of Dallas.

00:43:21.000 This is something we interviewed again on the Nightly News.

00:43:23.000 Leanne McAdoo talked to the person who was doing an Indiegogo campaign to fund the advertising to educate people about fluoride.

00:43:31.000 And listen.

00:43:33.000 If fluoride is medication that is safe and effective, then why would you put it in the water supply?

00:43:40.000 If you don't control the dosage of something that is safe and effective in a controlled dosage, if you don't have any control over the dosage, if you're dumping it in the water supply, you don't have any control over the dosage that people are getting.

00:43:52.000 A baby is going to get the same dosage that a fully grown man will get.

00:43:57.000 You see the problem there?

00:43:59.000 If it's safe and effective to start with, once you dump it into the water supply, it is no longer safe and effective.

00:44:05.000 And they point out, of course, that it is not safe and effective, as they point out in the ad campaign.

00:44:10.000 They say, why do people have to wear hazmat suits when they handle fluoride?

00:44:15.000 It's so corrosive, it eats through concrete.

00:44:17.000 We showed that.

00:44:18.000 We went to the Austin Power, the Austin Water Supply.

00:44:22.000 We actually took some, the people at, I wasn't with Infowars at the time, but they took video of the corrosion on the pipes.

00:44:29.000 They took video of the fact that it was a class 4 toxin out of 4 classes.

00:44:34.000 They say, if you're warned to call poison control when you swallow your toothpaste, why is it still added to the water that we drink, that we cook with, that we shower with?

00:44:42.000 And why are we spending, in Dallas alone, a million dollars to do this?

00:44:46.000 And we've had study after study from Harvard and other places showing that it lowers IQ, that it increases the risk of cancer, yet we're spending millions of dollars to get rid of corporate toxic waste.

00:44:58.000 That's how we're used by the big corporations.

00:45:01.000 They would have to pay a lot of money to get rid of this toxic waste, or they can sell it to us for a lot of money and have us drink it.

00:45:10.000 That's what they're doing.

00:45:12.000 We also have some reactions from Giuliani and from Rand Paul, but I want to get your reactions right now.

00:45:18.000 We've got some callers that are on the line.

00:45:20.000 Let's go to Kyle in Utah.

00:45:23.000 Kyle?

00:45:25.000 Hello, Kyle.

00:45:26.000 Hello Dave, how are you doing?

00:45:28.000 Doing good.

00:45:29.000 I'll get right to the point.

00:45:31.000 I'm actually calling about a different article I think was linked on Drudge about the Utah Transfer of Public Land Act.

00:45:40.000 And Rep.

00:45:42.000 Ivory said that the deadline, I guess the deadline's coming up is December 31st, and that they're going to move forward and use all the resources at our disposal.

00:45:56.000 What is your take on this?

00:45:59.000 I know that Arizona passed a similar act.

00:46:02.000 Is this the first time this is going to be attempted?

00:46:06.000 And what do you think these resources... They're clearly moving the ball here on this.

00:46:14.000 Part of the problem out west, and this is an issue at the Bundy Ranch, we had people who were from local governments in Utah that had shown up to talk about this very issue.

00:46:22.000 There were several issues going on at the Bundy Ranch.

00:46:25.000 What got us involved was, again, the excessive use of force, the police brutality.

00:46:30.000 But there was also an underlying issue that caused this conflict in the first place, and that was the fact that most of the land is owned out west by the federal government.

00:46:41.000 And what they were doing with the land, what Harry Reid and others do with the land is they're now putting it to investment use.

00:46:49.000 Telling people that they have to protect the desert tortoise specifically in Nevada and yet setting up a lot of projects, natural resource exploration in terms of mining, working with crony capitalism partners in terms of setting up large solar systems.

00:47:05.000 So this is where it's happening.

00:47:06.000 They're treating this public land and they're going to treat it as their personal fiefdom.

00:47:10.000 They will use it.

00:47:12.000 And they will keep you off of it.

00:47:13.000 That's what the people at the Bundy Ranch said.

00:47:15.000 They said, we've been here and our ancestors have been here since even before it was a state.

00:47:19.000 We've always had access to this land, particularly that land.

00:47:23.000 They had a lot of cattle there.

00:47:24.000 There used to be over 50 ranchers in just that one area.

00:47:27.000 Bundy was the last guy there.

00:47:29.000 And they said, when they come in, they're going to do what they've done in every other park.

00:47:35.000 And I saw this in September when I went to Yellowstone.

00:47:38.000 They brag about the fact that they only give you access to 1% of the park, that the 99% of the park is off access to you.

00:47:47.000 And they said, this is what's going to happen to the public.

00:47:49.000 It's not going to be public land.

00:47:51.000 They are going to put a couple of trails in it, put some trails around the perimeter of it, and it will be off-limit to the public.

00:47:59.000 But they will use it for their own purposes.

00:48:01.000 They will use it for their corrupt games that they play with crony capitalists that they can trade influence and trade projects with.

00:48:09.000 It's a very serious thing and we need to roll this back and look at how we got into that situation.

00:48:15.000 Why wasn't that land turned over To the people as it should have been.

00:48:19.000 Why was it kept by the federal government?

00:48:21.000 Because places like Utah and other states that were out west, they were originally territories.

00:48:24.000 As they became states, that land should have been turned over to the people. 0.66

00:48:29.000 It wasn't turned over to the people.

00:48:30.000 The federal government retained ownership and now we see what they're doing.

00:48:34.000 They're not good stewards.

00:48:35.000 At the same time in Nevada that they were talking about protecting the desert tortoise, of course, they had, I think it was 1,200 of them that they had euthanized at their center because they didn't have the funds to feed them or whatever their excuse was.

00:48:48.000 But they're using these issues of endangered species to, in many cases, that's the basis on which they want to do this.

00:48:56.000 But yeah, it's a very serious issue.

00:48:57.000 It is a big grab of authority, just as we see the FCC trying to extend its authority and ushering in Internet censorship.

00:49:05.000 And of course, that's one of the articles we're going to talk to Paul Joseph Watson about in the next hour.

00:49:09.000 We see Obama official is meeting with a Chinese Internet censorship czar.

00:49:13.000 There's a lot of ways that we see the federal government moving to take control of the Internet.

00:49:18.000 In the same way that the EPA or the Bureau of Land Management is trying to take control of the land out west and exercise a more rigid, exclusive control.

00:49:28.000 That, of course, it all plays into Agenda 21.

00:49:30.000 That's the endgame.

00:49:31.000 If you want to know where all this is headed, it means that they're going to concentrate all of us into very small areas, high concentration areas.

00:49:38.000 We will not be allowed into those areas whatsoever.

00:49:41.000 Let's move on to, we've got somebody with us, an ex-cop in Maryland.

00:49:45.000 Let's talk to him.

00:49:49.000 Hello, can you hear me?

00:49:49.000 Hi.

00:49:52.000 Yes, I can hear you.

00:49:53.000 Go ahead.

00:49:54.000 Yes, I am.

00:49:56.000 Thank you for taking my call, and I'll try to keep it brief, but I really, really appreciate what you guys are doing.

00:50:06.000 I'm an ex-cop from Maryland.

00:50:10.000 And I just wanted to talk about the outrageous police conduct.

00:50:21.000 It has gotten so bad that, and I think it is getting a little worse now.

00:50:30.000 I was an ex-cop in the 80s, in the late 80s.

00:50:34.000 And the reason why I got out, I spent like two years in.

00:50:39.000 The reason why I got out is because I saw so much abuse of regular citizens not doing anything wrong.

00:50:47.000 There is a culture among many police.

00:50:53.000 Hang on, hang on.

00:50:54.000 We gotta, I want you to hang on through the break.

00:50:56.000 We'll be right back.

00:50:56.000 We gotta take a commercial break.

00:50:57.000 We're gonna be talking this is the next cop in Maryland.

00:50:59.000 I want to get your take on and reaction to some of these things.

00:51:02.000 We'll be right back with your calls, and Paul Joseph Watson will be joining us in the next hour.

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00:54:08.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

00:54:33.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

00:54:34.000 We're going to be joined by Paul Joseph Watson in the next hour.

00:54:37.000 Also by talk show host Lionel.

00:54:39.000 It'll be interesting to talk to him because he is a lawyer, a former prosecutor and defense attorney.

00:54:45.000 I want to talk to him about some of the issues involved in these grand juries as well as he's in New York.

00:54:50.000 I want to see what he's Seeing the last day or so in terms of reactions, but he'll be with us as well as Paul Joseph Watson.

00:54:58.000 Right now, we're getting your reactions.

00:54:59.000 Of course, we'll take some more calls after Lionel leaves us in the third hour when I'm here with Paul Joseph Watson.

00:55:05.000 We'll take some more of your calls, but I was talking before the break to an ex-cop from Maryland who called in.

00:55:12.000 I want to get back to his phone call, but just want to point out up on the Drudge Report right now, the top story, New Dawn.

00:55:17.000 China is now the world's biggest economy, and as I point out, this is the first time this has happened since U.S.

00:55:24.000 Grant was president.

00:55:26.000 That disparity is going to continue to grow.

00:55:29.000 Just recently Obama went to China, and what did he agree to?

00:55:33.000 Well, he agreed to decline energy output in the United States by 26% over the next 11 years.

00:55:41.000 China, meanwhile, will not decline, but will cap.

00:55:45.000 Their energy output in 16 years.

00:55:48.000 They will be allowed to continue to grow.

00:55:50.000 There's no restraints.

00:55:51.000 Nobody is worried about global warming, it seems.

00:55:54.000 If the global warming, if the global pollution is coming from China, they're not concerned about that. 0.71

00:56:01.000 It's only American factories, American power plants, American automobiles that can contribute to global pollution. 0.51

00:56:11.000 You understand how this is being used?

00:56:13.000 The same way they're using racism.

00:56:14.000 Of course, we're going to talk to Paul Joseph Watson about how they're manufacturing racism.

00:56:19.000 I guess that's about the only thing we're manufacturing anymore in this country, is government regulations and racism.

00:56:26.000 But let's go back to XCOP in Maryland.

00:56:28.000 We had to go to a break.

00:56:30.000 XCOP, you said you were there for two years and you left because you were concerned about the excessive use of force that you saw?

00:56:40.000 Yes, Mr. Knight.

00:56:42.000 I saw a lot of abuse.

00:56:49.000 By the way, I like the way you said, manufactured racism.

00:56:53.000 That is so true.

00:56:55.000 I happen to be African American.

00:56:59.000 And I tell you, man, From a perspective of African-American, ex-police, more conservative, on the conservative side, I get flack from, believe me, a lot of African-Americans. 0.98

00:57:17.000 More African-Americans than, per se, white people.

00:57:23.000 Let me ask you a question about that, because Giuliani, when he was on making his remarks, one of the things that he pointed out, he says, if I recall, there was an African American sergeant on the scene when Eric Garner was killed, in charge of the entire situation, and never did anything to stop.

00:57:39.000 You know, that's what I've been saying when I look at Obama saying we're going to get, we're going to get racial quotas here, we're going to stop racial profiling, but we're going to get more black police.

00:57:48.000 Do you think that's going to solve the problem?

00:57:49.000 Are they going to see themselves, are they going to identify with the black community, or are they going to identify as being part of the blue community, in your opinion?

00:57:58.000 Okay.

00:57:58.000 No.

00:58:00.000 In my opinion, I've seen a lot of black police officers do a lot of heinous things against black people, too. 0.91

00:58:16.000 So I don't think that's going to do a lot of things. 0.88

00:58:21.000 I think that it's a systemic problem in that when police are allowed to, and I'm an ex-cop, Hang on.

00:58:37.000 Stay with me right after the break.

00:58:38.000 We're going to take a quick break.

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00:58:40.000 I want to get a little bit more from you, but I do want to get to some other callers that we've got on the line.

00:58:44.000 We're also going to have Paul Joseph Watson joining us and Lionel.

00:58:47.000 We'll be right back.

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01:00:28.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:34.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:36.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

01:00:37.000 We're going to be joined in the next segment by Paul Joseph Watson from London, as well as by Lionel, the talk show host who comes out of New York.

01:00:45.000 He also has a background in law, so we're going to talk to him about some of these grand jury indictments.

01:00:50.000 Right now I've got a caller who called in, an ex-cop from Maryland.

01:00:54.000 As we were just talking before we had to go to break, you were saying that you're a black officer. 0.92

01:00:58.000 You've seen a lot of black officers abusing People and the general public. 0.96

01:01:07.000 And as I was reading this quote from Giuliani, that's essentially what he said. 0.92

01:01:11.000 He said there was an African-American sergeant on the scene and the entire time did not do anything to stop. 1.00

01:01:17.000 So obviously he didn't have a problem with what was going on.

01:01:21.000 I think it boils down to training.

01:01:23.000 You were a cop back in the 80s, you said.

01:01:25.000 Don't you get a sense that they're being trained in a very different way than people were 30 years ago?

01:01:32.000 Yes, definitely.

01:01:34.000 And the caliber of police officers has devolved into something really bizarre.

01:01:41.000 But some of the things that I saw, some of the things that I heard were from other police officers, you're a new pair of shoes speaking to the residents in a poor urban area where I work.

01:01:57.000 They would tell the people, You're just a new pair of shoes for my kid.

01:02:02.000 Because what happens is that if you make an arrest and hearing this, hearing this just made me irate because I started college last in my junior year and then joined the police department thinking that I was going to do like a greater good because I think I'm a pretty good guy.

01:02:21.000 But hearing this was just so bizarre.

01:02:26.000 You're a new pair of shoes.

01:02:27.000 So then if I arrest you, Then I'm going to get an extra $40, $50, $60 back then to take care of my family.

01:02:38.000 So what do you consider people just a source of revenue?

01:02:42.000 And then I tried to stop it.

01:02:46.000 I tried as a rookie cop coming straight out of the police academy.

01:02:51.000 I tried to stop it in a naive way.

01:02:55.000 And what I got?

01:02:57.000 What I got?

01:03:00.000 In the inner city, you're supposed to have backup.

01:03:06.000 Oh, like SuperGo.

01:03:07.000 Did they set you up?

01:03:09.000 Exactly.

01:03:10.000 You're supposed to have backup within 10 seconds.

01:03:12.000 15 seconds, Matt.

01:03:15.000 What I found out, it was taking 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and these are, some of the guys are like bad.

01:03:21.000 I mean, you know, you have four guys up on a, you know, selling drugs, and a lot of them have berettas and stuff on, and you call for backup, your backup doesn't come.

01:03:29.000 So what do you do?

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 Well, you're familiar with the Serpico story, right?

01:03:33.000 You've seen the movie, probably, with Al Pacino?

01:03:37.000 And, of course, that was exactly the way they got rid of him.

01:03:39.000 He didn't want to go along with the corruption.

01:03:41.000 He didn't want to go on the take.

01:03:43.000 So they perceived him as a big threat to them.

01:03:46.000 In his day, the issue, he said, was really graft and corruption, although I believe it was still being driven by the same thing, and that's the war on drugs.

01:03:54.000 It's driving both the graft and the corruption and the police force and government as well as now.

01:04:00.000 Of course, that's the basis for these SWAT team raids.

01:04:03.000 It's all the war on drugs, this shoot-first mentality.

01:04:06.000 We've had the, it's been police rookies who have been, we've seen a couple of these incidents in just the last week or so.

01:04:14.000 We had the case of the 12-year-old who was shot dead, and that was a rookie.

01:04:20.000 The 12-year-old had a BB gun.

01:04:23.000 Somebody called it in because this guy was playing around with a BB gun.

01:04:26.000 I saw the pictures of him pointing the BB gun around.

01:04:29.000 It reminded me of a Christmas story where Ralphie gets his BB gun.

01:04:34.000 I did that kind of stuff when I was a kid.

01:04:36.000 I had guns, toy guns, that I was shooting at imaginary villains with.

01:04:41.000 I didn't expect and shouldn't have been shot dead by the cops.

01:04:44.000 And in this particular case, you got, there's video that exists, you see the cop car pull up, and the rookie jumps out.

01:04:50.000 And within one second, he shot that kid dead.

01:04:52.000 And that kid wasn't pointing a gun at him, wasn't any threat to him, and it was a toy gun.

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01:05:07.000 We're going to talk to him about what's going on.

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01:08:18.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show in this live December 4th, 2014 edition.

01:08:28.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

01:08:30.000 Joining us this hour, joining us right now, is Lionel.

01:08:33.000 He's a renaissance lawyer, news decoder, First Amendment sentry, and a New York-based television legal analyst.

01:08:40.000 And so, I want to see what he's seeing there on the ground, and also talk to him about what's going on with grand juries.

01:08:47.000 Kind of fill us in a little bit about how that works.

01:08:49.000 Lionel, thank you for joining us.

01:08:51.000 Thank you, sir.

01:08:53.000 Now, you're based in New York.

01:08:54.000 What have you been seeing, what have you seen over the last 24 hours there?

01:08:58.000 Well, reaction, and I've got to say, I'm absolutely thrilled that finally Americans are getting off of their collective duffs.

01:09:11.000 And reacting, for the most part, it was peaceful.

01:09:14.000 It might have been obstructionary or obstructional, whatever the particular adjective, but very, very peaceful.

01:09:14.000 Good.

01:09:23.000 The NYPD has been, I think, equally as accommodating.

01:09:28.000 So there's a part of me, David, that says, great for the First Amendment, great that finally, instead of sitting home and, you know, tweeting and favoriting or retweeting, somebody's actually speaking up now.

01:09:42.000 I'm not saying everybody necessarily is correct in what they're protesting.

01:09:47.000 There's a lot that's going on here, but it doesn't really matter.

01:09:50.000 The First Amendment rings true and I'm very proud as an American to see that people are utilizing that right and peacefully.

01:09:57.000 That's good, and so you're not seeing the New York police essentially getting kind of provocative in the way they interact with the crowds like they did in Ferguson, kind of getting in their face, drawing a line, don't get here, stand over there, now you can't stand over there.

01:10:10.000 We've seen that happen so many times in so many different cities.

01:10:13.000 We saw it happen in Dallas with the JFK commemoration.

01:10:16.000 We saw it happen in Ferguson.

01:10:17.000 That's not happening in New York?

01:10:19.000 Well, it may be happening, but it's not being reported.

01:10:22.000 It's a city of 8 million people, a lot of areas, and so they're very well made, but from what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing, they've been most professional, as they normally are.

01:10:34.000 I mean, let me just stop right there.

01:10:38.000 You know, David, we always have to do this proviso.

01:10:44.000 Not all police are bad.

01:10:46.000 Right.

01:10:47.000 They do a good job.

01:10:48.000 Yes, we know that.

01:10:49.000 We understand that.

01:10:51.000 And we don't want to live, I don't want to live in a society without police.

01:10:54.000 I'm not a full-blown anarchist or whatever.

01:10:57.000 But you brought up something which is the most important.

01:11:02.000 You know, David, in my humble opinion, I don't mean to interrupt, but just so that you know my point of view, the issue is not race.

01:11:09.000 The issue is the hyper-militarization of the police, number one, which we have been talking about and I have been talking about for years, that's number one.

01:11:17.000 Right.

01:11:18.000 Number two, there's a systemic If you will, attitudinal problem in some departments, in some cases, where the police are almost allowed to assume this very hyper-adversarial position.

01:11:35.000 It's kind of an attitude.

01:11:39.000 Let me ask you this question.

01:11:41.000 Let's assume we had this time machine.

01:11:43.000 We can go back, we can look at a situation that happened.

01:11:46.000 We take the Eric Garner case, exactly as it happened.

01:11:50.000 At the same site, same players.

01:11:52.000 And through the magic of time travel, we could put in place of Eric Garner, instead of a 300-pound, rather large, African-American male, let's say a slight African-American man who's 80 years old.

01:12:07.000 And then a grandmother who's white, and a child, and a priest, and a man with a suit, a bunch of variables.

01:12:13.000 Would we have had same degree of escalation in varying parties involved?

01:12:23.000 Or would the police have said, no, this is a one-size-fits-all reaction.

01:12:27.000 When you resist, this is how we react.

01:12:31.000 And I would venture to say, no, you would not see the police act the same way.

01:12:37.000 So the question is, why?

01:12:42.000 Why would they not put a chokehold or Toronto restrained or whatever on a grandmother? 0.99

01:12:48.000 She's resisting.

01:12:50.000 Or a man in a business suit or a priest.

01:12:53.000 And I think we have to be honest.

01:12:56.000 Yes, there is a reaction.

01:12:58.000 Now is that racist?

01:13:00.000 I think that word's too patellar.

01:13:00.000 I don't know.

01:13:02.000 Too Pavlovian.

01:13:04.000 Racism.

01:13:05.000 Racism.

01:13:06.000 Just because there's a disparity is because... Well, you know, Lionel, I kind of think I would come up with a different answer.

01:13:12.000 I kind of think they would, based on all the different shots we've seen.

01:13:15.000 I know that the statistics show that The predominance is against black people.

01:13:20.000 We know that they're arrested at a higher rate for marijuana.

01:13:24.000 They go to jail based on the crimes that come together.

01:13:28.000 They are more likely to serve jail time if they're arrested for marijuana than white people are. 0.93

01:13:33.000 So I understand there is a systemic bias against blacks.

01:13:37.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:13:39.000 Absolutely.

01:13:40.000 But you know I've seen so many police brutality Videos, just that video that just went viral.

01:13:45.000 We had it up on our site earlier in the week.

01:13:48.000 This is what happens when you call the police.

01:13:49.000 I mean, I see people of all different colors see that happening to them.

01:13:53.000 They've got mandatory drawing blood, even if you're not drinking.

01:13:58.000 They don't even have to be suspicious that you're a drunk driver.

01:14:00.000 They can just demand to draw your blood.

01:14:02.000 I've seen pictures of people saying, what is this?

01:14:04.000 Is this America?

01:14:06.000 Right.

01:14:06.000 And that's a white guy in that particular case.

01:14:09.000 A point well taken.

01:14:10.000 You bring up an excellent, excellent point.

01:14:12.000 And by the way, we need this so much.

01:14:15.000 Not only in media and radio, but just talking.

01:14:19.000 Not necessarily saying my hashtag, my selfie, you know, image is better than yours, or more pithier, is pithier than yours.

01:14:27.000 Let me go back to some other cases, which I think are horrible, and really speak to what you're saying.

01:14:32.000 It was a case, horrible case, that we solved.

01:14:35.000 Kelly Thomas, 2011, Fullerton County.

01:14:39.000 Schizophrenic, homeless man.

01:14:41.000 Known by Fullerton County, these police officers, who was beaten to death.

01:14:46.000 Not quickly, but it involved a series of blows and contact.

01:14:53.000 Put him into a coma, and then life support was pulled.

01:14:58.000 Would that situation have been different had it been a different man, a different situation?

01:15:03.000 I say yes.

01:15:05.000 Not because of race.

01:15:07.000 I think that sometimes cops, in situations like this, do have the ability to say, you know, this guy's being arrested here, Eric Garner, back to him, for selling loose cigarettes, untaxed.

01:15:22.000 This is not exactly public enemy number one.

01:15:25.000 Right, exactly.

01:15:26.000 This is, this is this, Nonsense called the Broken Windows Theory.

01:15:31.000 You're going to hear a lot about that.

01:15:32.000 The Broken Windows Theory.

01:15:33.000 Sounds terrific!

01:15:34.000 Quality of life crimes.

01:15:37.000 Quality of life!

01:15:38.000 I don't think that if somebody was saying, whoa, whoa, Knight, hold it, you and I are partners.

01:15:43.000 Imagine that.

01:15:44.000 Hold it, hold it.

01:15:45.000 It's that 90 year old grandmother.

01:15:46.000 Don't you understand?

01:15:47.000 We reacted.

01:15:48.000 People do.

01:15:48.000 No.

01:15:49.000 There is, they have the ability to say, whoa, wait a minute, sir, back up.

01:15:53.000 We don't want to bother you.

01:15:55.000 Or, or Tamir Rice.

01:15:56.000 Whatever happened to the bullhorn?

01:15:58.000 Whatever happened to getting on?

01:16:00.000 You dropped the gun.

01:16:01.000 Put your hands up.

01:16:04.000 The way police confront, going back and I'm jumping around and I'm sorry for that, but you mentioned Tamir Rice.

01:16:10.000 This is the case.

01:16:11.000 If you and I were partners, I would say, why are we driving up to this person that we think has a gun?

01:16:16.000 Why don't we?

01:16:17.000 Make it a safe distance.

01:16:19.000 Call for backup.

01:16:20.000 What's the hurry?

01:16:21.000 He's by himself.

01:16:23.000 Let's use this.

01:16:24.000 I don't understand the immediacy.

01:16:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:16:28.000 It's frightening.

01:16:29.000 It's systemic.

01:16:31.000 It's attitude.

01:16:32.000 It's us and them.

01:16:33.000 It's where the cup?

01:16:35.000 I don't know.

01:16:36.000 And we can see the video there, you know, he doesn't look to me like he's a serious threat to them, like he's fighting back.

01:16:42.000 I've got Paul Joseph Watson joined us on the line from the UK, and I wanted to get, let's put that question to Paul.

01:16:47.000 Paul, what do you think?

01:16:48.000 Do you think, in terms of the way this is being portrayed by many in New York as racism, you've got a story up on Infowars.com right now, some people tweeting out that they thought that playing White Christmas at the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Rockefeller Center in New York was racist.

01:17:07.000 Well, I mean, this is an example of how this has degenerated so quickly.

01:17:12.000 And you know, David, I was attacked as a white supremacist for supporting the facts in the Brown case, just as I've been attacked as a cop hater for supporting the facts in the Garner case.

01:17:23.000 But this has been hijacked by social justice warriors, as Lionel said, to all be about race.

01:17:29.000 When it's not about race, it's about violence.

01:17:33.000 As he mentioned, Darius Rucker, this black singer, sung White Christmas at the New York tree lighting ceremony last night.

01:17:42.000 And the outrage was immediate.

01:17:45.000 That snow itself, a form of frozen precipitation, could be racist.

01:17:51.000 That this was an offensive slur against the Ghana verdict.

01:17:56.000 And, you know, I sent out a tweet.

01:17:59.000 White Christmas is a song about snow.

01:18:01.000 It's not a song about white people.

01:18:03.000 So it's an illustration of how this has been hijacked by many on the left, just as the Ferguson protests were hijacked by communists, to make everything about race and not about what it should be, which is police brutality, which is what we should all be unifying against.

01:18:03.000 Yeah.

01:18:21.000 Because when they make it about race, that only ostracizes conservatives.

01:18:26.000 It turns away half of Americans They don't want to support this movement because it comes across as ludicrous when people are saying that singing White Christmas is a racial slur.

01:18:37.000 It's actually counterproductive.

01:18:39.000 This is about violence, it's not about race. 0.65

01:18:41.000 You know, white privilege.

01:18:43.000 There's a hashtag, Twitter trend, Criming Wild White, which is a bunch of white people confessing their white guilt over having minor infractions and not being punished by police.

01:18:54.000 But, you know, Kelly Thomas, his white privilege didn't count for anything when he was beaten to a bloody pulp in California.

01:19:03.000 James Boyd shot down like a stray dog in Albuquerque.

01:19:07.000 He couldn't rely on his white privilege to save him from that situation.

01:19:11.000 So it's not about black or white, it's about police brutality.

01:19:14.000 That's what we need to focus on.

01:19:16.000 We've got a break coming up, but we've also got this story from Kit Daniels.

01:19:22.000 I want to get Lionel's reaction to this.

01:19:25.000 Tweeting out, and this is a tweet somebody put out, next time someone asks, white privilege is fatally choking a man on camera for millions to witness and getting away with it.

01:19:34.000 I would say that's not white privilege, I would say that's maybe blue privilege.

01:19:37.000 We need to look at what is actually going on with these grand jury situations and I want to get Lionel's reaction to that as a former prosecutor, as a defense attorney.

01:19:47.000 Talk to us about what's going on in these grand juries.

01:19:51.000 Why aren't we seeing indictments come so that we can have a public open trial that the public can see the evidence that's there.

01:19:59.000 I think that would de-escalate these situations.

01:20:00.000 We'll be right back with Paul Joseph Watson and Lionel.

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01:24:16.000 I'm David Knight in Austin and we have a Brit joining us.

01:24:21.000 Paul Joseph Watson from the UK as well as Lionel.

01:24:24.000 We took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we caught the bloody bread.

01:24:29.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:24:30.000 I'm David Knight in Austin and we have a Brit joining us.

01:24:33.000 Paul Joseph Watson from the UK as well as Lionel.

01:24:36.000 And I wanted to go back to Lionel about this grand jury indictment or I should say non-indictment.

01:24:41.000 uh, We just had Judge Andrew Napolitano go on a radio show yesterday and say, I think it's clearly a case for criminally negligent homicide.

01:24:51.000 He said, I think that the use of deadly forces is not Ferguson, Missouri.

01:24:55.000 This is not somebody wrestling for your gun.

01:24:57.000 This is not where you shoot at or be shot at. 0.99

01:24:59.000 He said, this is a choking death of a mentally impaired, grossly obese person. 0.93

01:25:03.000 His only crime was selling cigarettes without collecting taxes on them.

01:25:07.000 It doesn't call for deadly force by any stretch of the imagination.

01:25:10.000 But then he says this.

01:25:12.000 He says, the grand jury decision tells me that the district attorney didn't want an indictment.

01:25:19.000 Does that tell you the same thing, Lionel, as a former prosecutor and defense attorney?

01:25:24.000 No, it doesn't.

01:25:26.000 It could, but it doesn't necessarily tell me that.

01:25:31.000 Let me break this down very, very carefully.

01:25:37.000 You know, you had mentioned something before where you said, we're not conspiracy theorists, we're skeptical.

01:25:43.000 So yes, I can be very skeptical about this grand jury, no bill.

01:25:49.000 OK, but it works like this.

01:25:54.000 A prosecutor delivers a case to the grand jury, and the grand jury historically has been almost like an outlier.

01:26:02.000 This weird tribunal.

01:26:05.000 It's not a part of the criminal justice system, not a part of the judiciary, not the legislature, not really anything.

01:26:11.000 It's kind of like this, ideally set up as this neutral, detached buffer between a The magistrate, the crown, and the people.

01:26:23.000 The idea of standing there between the marauding crown and people and saying, no, no, you have a case, you don't have a case.

01:26:29.000 Well, that might be fine historically.

01:26:32.000 What it means is, is that provided there's enough probable cause, and the best definition of probable cause is, you probably did it.

01:26:39.000 Probable cause in burdens is here.

01:26:43.000 Reasonable doubt is here.

01:26:46.000 And you're saying the probable cause for people that aren't watching and listening on the radio, you're saying probable cause is much, much lower?

01:26:51.000 Correct.

01:26:53.000 Probable cause means he probably did it.

01:26:55.000 It's the easiest burden you can imagine.

01:26:58.000 But here's the problem.

01:27:00.000 If I'm a prosecutor, I don't want to bring a case that I think is going to stink at the trial level.

01:27:07.000 I don't want to bring a case where the medical examiner in this particular case, we believe because we really haven't heard the Staten Island Grand Jury minutes, but let's assume the prosecutor or the medical examiner testified that A, this was not a chokehold.

01:27:24.000 A chokehold, a carotid restraint.

01:27:26.000 This was a poorly used neck restraint or something.

01:27:34.000 He did say that the cause of death was compression, but also chest compression, and also asthma, perhaps obesity, perhaps other factors.

01:27:47.000 So the question number one is, imagine that this indictment came, this indictment was issued, and at the trial level, the defense lawyer says, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Can you find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this death was caused by this officer?

01:28:11.000 If no, that's not guilty.

01:28:14.000 So, just because it works at the grand jury level, doesn't mean it's going to work at the trial level.

01:28:20.000 And any prosecutor who merely says, I don't care whether this case has a chance of conviction, my job is to get a an indictment and that's all I care about.

01:28:32.000 That's negligence.

01:28:34.000 Now the other problem with this is that police officers by virtue of their position can do things that citizens can't.

01:28:43.000 They can actually arrest. - Wait a minute, 'cause we're about out of time We'll join this when we come back at the bottom of the hour, but we're talking about the grand jury.

01:28:52.000 I think it's important for people to understand, and this is the problem that I have with it, is the fact that this isn't a trial situation where, you know, you've only got the prosecutor addressing the jury.

01:29:02.000 He can tell them anything that he wants to.

01:29:04.000 It's not an adversarial relationship.

01:29:06.000 There isn't a defense attorney present, because nobody's been indicted yet.

01:29:10.000 So he can basically tell them whatever he wants to, and no matter how skewed the evidence is, there's nobody to object to that.

01:29:18.000 That's why they've had 162,000 grand juries with only 11 cases where it wasn't returned as an indictment.

01:29:26.000 That's why you have that familiar saying that Judge Napolitano repeated, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

01:29:33.000 I want to pick up with that before we go on to the different rules that we have for police Right after we come back from the break, we're talking to Lionel.

01:29:40.000 He's in New York, a former prosecutor as well as a talk show host personality there.

01:29:46.000 We also have Paul Joseph Watson joining us from the UK.

01:29:48.000 I'm going to give him a chance to ask Lionel some questions about what's going on with police brutality.

01:29:54.000 Stay with us.

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01:33:30.000 Joining me is Lionel from New York, and of course he is a former prosecutor and defense attorney.

01:33:36.000 I want to get his take on what's going on with the grand jury part of this, because I think a lot of people are looking at this and seeing the government investigating itself in secret, because grand jury proceedings are secret, and of course finding itself not guilty.

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01:34:22.000 For a prosecution that the prosecutor doesn't really want to go through with for maybe reasons other than there's there's not anything to look at here.

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01:35:52.000 Lionel, you heard what I had to say about grand juries.

01:35:55.000 I mean, I think that a lot of people really wanted to see The evidence presented in Ferguson, as well as here, they wanted to see that it was going to be investigated openly.

01:36:04.000 They wanted to see what evidence there was.

01:36:06.000 In Ferguson, we got a document dump after the fact.

01:36:09.000 And usually, we don't even hear anything about what goes on in a grand jury.

01:36:13.000 It's usually kept secret.

01:36:14.000 We don't know, in New York, even what the charges were that were being investigated as to whether he's going to be indicted.

01:36:20.000 Go ahead.

01:36:21.000 Well, as far as Ferguson goes, I've got to tell you something, that may be one of the most thorough grand juries ever.

01:36:26.000 That was an anomaly.

01:36:27.000 It's not supposed to be like that.

01:36:28.000 You see, what we're doing is we're in essence saying, how dare Bob McCulloch not be so quick and so railroad-ish in his grand jury like others?

01:36:37.000 How dare he put on so much evidence?

01:36:39.000 How dare he be so thorough in putting on evidence which people call exculpatory?

01:36:44.000 How dare he do that?

01:36:46.000 Come on, you're supposed to run this thing through and indict that ham sandwich, which the great jurist Saul Wachtler coined in 1985.

01:36:54.000 No, what happens is this.

01:36:56.000 I wish more cases were thorough.

01:36:58.000 It's the opposite.

01:36:59.000 Yeah, he'd never done that in 28 years.

01:37:01.000 Why do you think that he never did that in 28 years?

01:37:03.000 Did he give the other people that he went through the grand jury process, did he give them a fair trial if he only gives the cop a full investigation?

01:37:12.000 And of course, he's presenting evidence that there's, you know, he's... I guess a lot of people, as I look at some of the evidence that's come out of there, and as I look at some of the transcripts, and there was like over a thousand pages, so people are just now starting to get through that.

01:37:25.000 Looks to me like there was a lot of coaching, a lot of protection.

01:37:27.000 It looks to me like Darren Wilson wasn't on trial.

01:37:30.000 Michael Brown was on trial in that grand jury.

01:37:34.000 Let me just clarify something.

01:37:37.000 I'm not defending this.

01:37:39.000 I'm trying to explain a system that I have spent most of my adult life trying to figure out, and certainly not directed to you, but there are a lot of armchair instant experts who say, boy, this grand jury thing screwed up.

01:37:52.000 I'm thinking, where the hell have you been?

01:37:54.000 Where have you been?

01:37:55.000 This whole thing is, people have screamed about this for the longest time.

01:38:00.000 But let me ask you this question.

01:38:01.000 Let's assume you're a grand juror, because I want to hear from them ultimately.

01:38:04.000 I want to hear, forget McCulloch.

01:38:06.000 I want to hear from somebody from St.

01:38:08.000 Louis or from Staten Island.

01:38:10.000 And if you're a grand jury, a juror, and I say, ladies and gentlemen, we have something you don't normally hear.

01:38:15.000 Here's the target of the investigation, the cop.

01:38:18.000 And he takes a stand and he says, I was, this is the Michael Brown case, I was placed in fear.

01:38:24.000 I was placed in fear and I reacted because I thought I was saving my life.

01:38:28.000 Okay, good.

01:38:29.000 He testifies.

01:38:30.000 Now remember, his lawyer can't cross-examine.

01:38:33.000 He's just there.

01:38:36.000 Well, grand jurors can ask questions.

01:38:38.000 And that brings up an important point, Lionel.

01:38:40.000 If you were his defense attorney, would you allow your client to go testify before a grand jury where you could not be present for everything he says is going to be on the record?

01:38:49.000 Would you let him talk for four hours if you didn't believe that the prosecutor was on his side?

01:38:56.000 I wouldn't.

01:38:57.000 I wouldn't let anybody testify, ever.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, they typically don't do that, yeah.

01:39:03.000 But what happens is, you see, look, and I know how this looks.

01:39:07.000 It's like, hey, listen, why don't you come and testify and well, I'll ask you some simple questions and we'll basically load it up.

01:39:17.000 Until a grand jury says, wait a minute, I was there and we declined to prosecute, not because we were set up, but we didn't think there was probable cause.

01:39:28.000 Now, again, the probable cause standard is so slight that whenever probable cause is not had, you wonder, What was so special?

01:39:38.000 But let me go back to now, jumping back to the Eric Garner case.

01:39:42.000 What in this particular case, if the medical examiner said, I cannot tell you right now whether this death was caused because of a chokehold, because of a pre-existing medical condition, or it was the time to go.

01:40:00.000 Let me back up.

01:40:02.000 Medical examiners determined four types of death.

01:40:05.000 There are four types of death, period.

01:40:07.000 Think of the mnemonic NASH.

01:40:09.000 N-A-S-H. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Natural, Accidental suicide or homicide. 1.00

01:40:14.000 That's it.

01:40:16.000 So when a medical examiner says this cause of death was homicide, that means it was a death caused by or because of the action of another.

01:40:26.000 In fact, people who are executed, people who receive the death penalty on their death certificate, it says cause of death homicide because you're killed.

01:40:36.000 Right, and that's what the medical examiner said in the case of Eric Gardner, that it was homicide.

01:40:39.000 Yes, go ahead.

01:40:40.000 It wasn't natural death, it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't suicide.

01:40:48.000 So, therefore, there was a human connection.

01:40:51.000 But this particular case, the police officer, who was under department regulation, unable to do a carotid restraint or chokehold, which in fact may or may not be, that's not against the law!

01:41:05.000 So what happens is, I'm telling you right now, there is no evidence of murder.

01:41:10.000 There is no crime here.

01:41:12.000 There may be negligence.

01:41:14.000 Now remember, there's different fora, different forums.

01:41:18.000 There's the criminal arena.

01:41:20.000 The civil arena, that's the lawsuit.

01:41:22.000 That's where you seek monetary damages, big bucks for wrongful death and loss of society, the loss of a father, the loss of a husband.

01:41:30.000 And then there's federal, either federal civil rights or some other federal crime.

01:41:36.000 Just because there is no evidence to prove a crime in that there was no evidence of murder, Involuntary manslaughter does not mean that he's at all off the hook when it comes to civil.

01:41:51.000 I'm telling you right now, this is a civil slam dunk.

01:41:55.000 Let me also throw in, there's administrative because he most probably will be bounced off of the NYPD because he violated this rule.

01:42:04.000 So you would say, so Judge Napolitano said he thought it was clearly a case of criminally negligent homicide.

01:42:10.000 You would say that, in your opinion, you think it's civilly negligent homicide?

01:42:14.000 Oh yes, because right now I could say this is not, you see, this is a police officer who did not pick somebody out of a crowd, who decided on his own to be excessive.

01:42:27.000 This is a police officer, right or wrong, who was in essence ordered to try to restrain someone and he would testify at trial.

01:42:37.000 He did it because he was following the department's directions.

01:42:41.000 He swore an oath to follow not only the law, but the orders of his superiors.

01:42:49.000 And he was told, we have an arrest.

01:42:51.000 Let's do it like we've done it a thousand times in training.

01:42:56.000 So this police officer would testify, I'm not acting rogue.

01:43:00.000 I'm not going off the reservation.

01:43:02.000 The only thing I did that was negligent was later on.

01:43:06.000 Now this is where it gets interesting.

01:43:08.000 If a jury believed, you know, we were with you, officer, until we believed that you heard him say, I can't breathe.

01:43:19.000 Yeah.

01:43:20.000 At that point, you should have let go.

01:43:23.000 At that point, you should have, using all standards of care, realized that you were going too far.

01:43:30.000 Maybe then there's a negligence portion of it.

01:43:34.000 Or maybe the point at which he loses consciousness, they try to do something to administer some CPR or something like that.

01:43:41.000 I want to give Paul Joseph Watson a chance to get in because I've been dominating the conversation with you.

01:43:45.000 It's fascinating.

01:43:46.000 Paul, was there anything, how do you feel about this and did you have any question for Lionel?

01:43:52.000 Yeah, I wanted to get back to this issue about police brutality, the causes of police brutality, because I think this is what we're being misdirected from.

01:44:01.000 These officers are acting in accordance with their training and that's the main problem because their militarized training, which is being directed to them by the federal government, Is not to de-escalate.

01:44:13.000 It's to immediately resort to violence and then when they're exonerated in these cases, it only gives them more confidence to act in the same manner in future situations like we saw with the Eric Garner case.

01:44:26.000 And my article on Infowars posted a few hours ago. 0.99

01:44:29.000 We have police, in actual police forums, verified members of the law enforcement departments across the country saying that this decision in the Garner case justifies them being able to, quote, kick some thug ass. 0.99

01:44:44.000 So... 0.97

01:44:45.000 They're taking this as a sign that everything they do is justified, again legitimizing police brutality within police departments.

01:44:53.000 So we have a problem centered around violence and the justification of violence both in the police department and also in the black community. 0.97

01:45:03.000 And this is what is not being discussed because it's being hijacked and it's all being directed towards a debate about race.

01:45:10.000 You've got FBI crime statistics which show that Black people commit almost the same number of homicides as whites and Hispanics put together, despite the fact that they only represent 13% of the population in America. 0.99

01:45:25.000 Also, 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks. 0.99

01:45:29.000 Again, despite the fact that they're only 13% of the population. 0.99

01:45:32.000 So, is this because of their skin colour?

01:45:35.000 Just as because in the case of police, they resort to violence not because of their skin colour.

01:45:35.000 No.

01:45:41.000 This is about an endemic problem of violence within both police departments and the black community.

01:45:48.000 The way that this is being hijacked, and it's all about race, it's all about white privilege, which again in the case of Kelly Thomas and James Boyd, they couldn't exercise their white privilege to save them from their fate.

01:46:00.000 This is the point.

01:46:01.000 It's all being misdirected.

01:46:03.000 What we should be focusing on is the training that law enforcement is getting, which makes them resort to violence immediately, as well as the culture within the black community that promotes this criminality. 1.00

01:46:16.000 Which is hyped and promoted by white-owned entertainment companies which glamorize this thug-life culture through rap and hip-hop. 0.55

01:46:25.000 None of this is being addressed now that the social justice warriors have hijacked this case and basically turned it into Occupy 2.0.

01:46:33.000 This is being used as a divisive tool.

01:46:37.000 To turn us away from the problem of violence in both the police community and the black community towards just squabbling with each other over side issues about white privilege. 0.86

01:46:48.000 So I wanted to get Lionel's take on that.

01:46:50.000 I would not have said it better, my dear friend, that I will not try to.

01:46:55.000 Let me tell you that imagine this hypothetical.

01:46:58.000 We have a series of doors.

01:47:01.000 In this door, we can discuss the grand jury problems, anomalies and the like.

01:47:07.000 In this door, we can talk about inherent problems within African-American culture. 1.00

01:47:13.000 In this door, we can talk about the hyper-militarization of the police.

01:47:16.000 In this door, we can talk about training.

01:47:18.000 And you're right.

01:47:18.000 In this door.

01:47:19.000 Now, the problem is that when we change doors in mid-sentence and go from police argument to race, In a society that is not able to handle critical thinking, in a society with this mamby-pamby, almost cartoonish media, who cannot handle this, throw into the mix, this is a rather complex situation.

01:47:45.000 Now, what you said, Paul, I agree with 100%.

01:47:47.000 There has been, and you know, in this country, let's back up.

01:47:52.000 There has been a firewall, by design, from Posse Comitata in 1878 to our loathing of standing armies, a firewall between civilian law enforcement and military.

01:48:07.000 I've often said, if you do not like being a police officer, If you don't like, as we say in New York on all the police cars, you see CPR, Courtesy, Professionalism and Respect.

01:48:20.000 If you don't want to read rights, if you don't want to take down names and be courteous and be a peace officer or constable, then join the military!

01:48:28.000 Go someplace where you can engage the military, start shooting when you're told to, because police officers involve a certain skill set that military doesn't.

01:48:38.000 And what happens is when you throw into the mix this idea through 1033 programs, MRAPs, automatic weapons, from when Sheriff Andy turned into Robocop, and you have this crew-cutted, mirrored glasses, heavily armored look, when you have the Boise Police Department having urban assault commando trucks, when you have this other attitude, and this is what I've heard,

01:49:07.000 Well, how dare this man, Eric Garner, dare resist arrest?

01:49:13.000 Now, resist arrest can be, and Paul and David, we've seen this, when somebody asks a police officer, why am I being arrested?

01:49:22.000 You're resisting!

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:24.000 Or takes a picture.

01:49:26.000 He's arrested.

01:49:27.000 This is a country, we've seen it from TSA, from gate rapes, from airports.

01:49:34.000 We have seen the slow, systematic, systemic, heightened militarization on all levels.

01:49:43.000 It's gotten so bad that even in schools, little kids who point fingers are in essence arrested in the school system.

01:49:52.000 So we have become this hyper Law and order on steroids mentality.

01:49:59.000 That, I agree Paul, is another avenue.

01:50:03.000 Because I'm sure that if we look to other cultures, other police departments, other countries, they have their store of thugs and the like.

01:50:17.000 And we have, by virtue of this, let me throw in another problem.

01:50:22.000 When the social media, God bless protests, but when the momentum of the meme starts, when somebody says, and I know this, you know how many times I see people running around here who are thrilled to be a part of the protest?

01:50:36.000 Hey, we're going to Grand Central.

01:50:38.000 Come on, get your phone out.

01:50:40.000 Let's Instagram this.

01:50:41.000 This is, I'm not saying people are not sincere, but there is A celebration sometimes!

01:50:50.000 Hang on Lionel, we gotta take a break.

01:50:52.000 And as you're talking about the militarization of the police and we're talking about the training, maybe there's a question if would the system have liability if they found these police officers guilty because they trained them to act that way.

01:50:52.000 We'll be right back.

01:51:05.000 We'll be right back with Lionel and Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

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01:54:23.000 I'm David Ida.

01:54:23.000 I have Lionel on the phone with us, and Paul Joseph Watson is joining us from the UK.

01:54:28.000 As we were going to break, we were talking about, as Lionel had put it, there's so many different doors to this.

01:54:34.000 We have the excessive use of force, the militarization of the police, the way they're trained, the way they're equipped.

01:54:40.000 And then, of course, we also can look at the grand jury.

01:54:42.000 Why there are so few indictments of the police when they do this.

01:54:46.000 And I have a question for Lionel.

01:54:47.000 Is it maybe because if some of these police officers were indicted for doing what they're trained to do, doing what they're equipped to do, which we as a society need to have this discussion as to whether or not we want militarized police.

01:54:59.000 I sure don't.

01:55:00.000 And maybe if they're indicted for some of this stuff, would they sue their employers, the system?

01:55:04.000 Is that why the system apparently is going so easy on them?

01:55:08.000 Because it would essentially be liable if this started to come out.

01:55:13.000 Well, we've got a problem with immunity.

01:55:14.000 That's because people, we don't want to hamstring police.

01:55:18.000 We don't want to have them say, because God forbid, David, somebody is attacking you or your family, you don't want police officers saying, you know, I normally be a little bit more aggressive in helping out David here, but I don't think I want to risk the chance of civil liabilities.

01:55:35.000 I think I'm going to back off a little bit.

01:55:37.000 So we obviously don't want that.

01:55:38.000 But David, may I ask you something, sir?

01:55:42.000 Do you remember a time, perhaps maybe we're in the same generation, but I know instances where friends of mine Can tell me a time when, when they were out acting like a fool, police officer came home and brought them home, knocked on the doors and, Mrs. Nye?

01:56:00.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:56:01.000 Well, David here has been acting up.

01:56:02.000 Why you?

01:56:03.000 Oh yeah.

01:56:04.000 And, and, and they can tell these stories.

01:56:06.000 You know, Norman Rockwell.

01:56:08.000 Yes.

01:56:09.000 The, the picture of the little boy runs away.

01:56:11.000 Grant, it's a kid.

01:56:12.000 There are views of, from Sheriff Andy to Adam 12 to Dragnet, Bumper Morgan, the Blue Knight, and all of a sudden, the idea of the police officer as being wise, the guy in the community, the one who ran the traffic signal on Sundays when church let out, that image, Has been changed.

01:56:40.000 I want people to Google this.

01:56:41.000 I told somebody this and they didn't believe it.

01:56:43.000 Look at the number of cases where people have been denied applications to police forces because their IQs were too high.

01:56:52.000 Yeah, there was actually a lawsuit about that.

01:56:54.000 And then the guy lost.

01:56:54.000 Yes.

01:56:56.000 They wouldn't hire him as a cop because they said his IQ was too high.

01:56:59.000 He sued them and they said, no, they don't have to hire you.

01:57:01.000 Your IQ is too high.

01:57:03.000 If we are going, and I'm telling you right now, look no further.

01:57:08.000 Go back to the TSA, look to the Feds, and look to how people handled that.

01:57:15.000 Look to how we, not only do we have this new brand of G-Men, but how we became kind of systematically acclimated.

01:57:25.000 Dare I say, another door.

01:57:27.000 So we might want to consider this.

01:57:30.000 Why don't we just abolish the grand jury? 1.00

01:57:33.000 Why don't we just, seriously, we can do it, there's no reason why we can't.

01:57:36.000 Pass a constitutional amendment or a state statute, just say we're done with this, and have the prosecutor, like in other jurisdictions, like in the state of Florida, the only time you use a grand jury is if it's for a first degree murder or some type of investigation.

01:57:49.000 That's right.

01:57:50.000 But just sign the affidavit, sign the indictment, sign it yourself.

01:57:54.000 What are we doing this for?

01:57:55.000 Have accountability.

01:57:57.000 Have the police officer or have special prosecutors.

01:58:01.000 That's another thing.

01:58:02.000 Have statewide prosecutors or a law that says when you have a police officer in, let's say, the city of Austin, I agree.

01:58:10.000 You don't have the Austin DA prosecute somebody that by virtue of natural affinity and propinquity and professional relationships, let's automatically bring in another prosecutor.

01:58:21.000 Change the system.

01:58:23.000 Address it.

01:58:24.000 I agree.

01:58:25.000 Yeah.

01:58:26.000 And we've had Serpico who went through this whole ringer.

01:58:30.000 He has said that we have to have outside oversight in this, and what outside means, what that means for another jurisdiction, whatever that means, that has to be there.

01:58:39.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Lionel, out of New York, and we have, and your website is, give them your website, Lionel, we've got a couple of seconds.

01:58:46.000 LionelMedia.com, and my Twitter handle is LionelMedia.

01:58:49.000 We'll be right back with Paul Joseph Lawson.

01:58:51.000 Thank you so much, Lionel.

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02:00:28.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:37.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:00:38.000 I'm David Knight in Austin and we have Paul Joseph Watson joining us from the UK.

02:00:43.000 In the last hour we were talking to Lionel, a talk show host out of New York, about the recent grand jury non-indictments in Ferguson and now in New York with the Eric Garner case.

02:00:55.000 And he said something in the last segment that I thought was interesting.

02:00:58.000 I wanted to talk to Paul about this.

02:01:00.000 And he said, remember back when we were younger, he and I, we had a very different kind of attitude from the police, of course.

02:01:08.000 And that's what we're all talking about.

02:01:10.000 This radical change that's being pushed from Washington, this militarization of the police and their equipment and their training and the way they regard themselves in the public.

02:01:20.000 And Paul, I wanted to ask you this.

02:01:21.000 I remember this As we're dating ourselves here, I remember this Roger Miller song, England swings like a pendulum do.

02:01:28.000 They talked about bobbies on bicycles, two by two.

02:01:30.000 I was there in the 80s quite a bit of time with my wife and I was really taken back by how kind the police in in the uk were especially around london how approachable they were because they weren't armed and they weren't in cars and it was a very different situation when i went back 20 years later because they had much more of an american model and i think it was easier

02:01:57.000 for me to see it there because it wasn't this very gradual process that has happened in the united states so Although, in the last few years, they have accelerated the change so much, I think you have to be pretty blind and deaf to not notice what's going on in American Hour.

02:02:13.000 Just totally apathetic.

02:02:14.000 But let me get your take on what's going on in the UK, because that was my take on it.

02:02:18.000 It's a very different situation where they were Going on patrol, two guys on foot or on bicycle, they had a radio, they had their billy clubs, they could call for support, but they were not armed and it seemed to me they had a very different attitude.

02:02:31.000 Well, I think there's a statistic, David, which is, I'm not sure if this is correct, but this is what I read today, that police in America have killed more people than police in the UK have ever killed in the history of policing.

02:02:44.000 Now, it's, that may not be completely accurate, but... You mean, just like the last, in just the last year, over what period of time in America?

02:02:52.000 Over the last year in America.

02:02:53.000 Oh, the last year.

02:02:54.000 That's the last year.

02:02:55.000 We know they've killed 5,000 Americans since 9-11, and that's primarily as a result of this swatification of the American police force. 0.65

02:03:05.000 Yes.

02:03:06.000 And that is one of the iconic images of America, unfortunately, to the rest of the world, is police pulling somebody over on the highway and harassing them.

02:03:16.000 Hey, we're number one!

02:03:18.000 Exactly.

02:03:18.000 The show Cops was pretty emblematic of that image.

02:03:22.000 And generally it's true.

02:03:24.000 I mean, police in Europe are not nearly as quick to resort to violence and brutality as police in America are.

02:03:32.000 And again, it goes back to their training.

02:03:34.000 It goes back to the DHS classifying the American people as the enemy, you know, returning veterans as terrorist threats.

02:03:43.000 They're constantly harping on about lone wolf extremists.

02:03:47.000 So police are going out there with this belief that everybody wants to attack them, that their lives are constantly under threat.

02:03:54.000 And you know, they are in some cases, but it's completely overhyped.

02:03:58.000 And that's why you see such an instant resort to violence in all these situations.

02:04:02.000 There's a very explicit aspect of their training, as you point out, to tell them that you're in a very dangerous situation.

02:04:09.000 There are people out there who want to kill you.

02:04:11.000 There's actually a killology course that's being taught to police departments around the country saying that it's a war zone out there.

02:04:18.000 I mean, explicitly saying that.

02:04:20.000 I mean, that certainly has been the implication.

02:04:22.000 But I think even to look at The difference that I saw in the police there as they went from essentially being on foot, on bicycles, and then arming them, putting them in cars, it really changes their attitude.

02:04:36.000 And if that changes their attitude, just that little bit, giving them a gun changes their attitude, Think what it's going to do to give them military-style assault weapons, to give them MRAPs, to build it up into a militarized situation like that.

02:04:50.000 We just had some cops in Alaska, one of the last places in America where they're not armed, and the cops said, my best tool is my mouth, because that's how he can keep things from getting escalated into a violent situation.

02:05:02.000 That's how he keeps from getting shot, because he's clever, he uses his mouth.

02:05:07.000 That's the Andy Griffith model.

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02:08:33.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:08:41.000 I'm David Knight.

02:08:42.000 On this Thursday, December 4th, 2014, I'm here in the studio in Austin and we have Paul Joseph Watson joining us from the UK.

02:08:50.000 We're going to talk about some of the, we've been talking mainly about the grand jury non-indictment in the Eric Garner case, the man who was essentially died for an unpaid tax on cigarettes.

02:09:04.000 I want to talk about some good cops here and get your reactions.

02:09:08.000 We're going to go back to your calls.

02:09:10.000 We've had some people who've been on hold for quite some time, and I promise we're going to get back to you right away.

02:09:13.000 But I first want to just kind of throw this out here.

02:09:16.000 We've got a story that's on the freethoughtproject.com.

02:09:20.000 Illinois cops are standing up to their own department saying that forcing quotas requires them to make arrests without probable cause.

02:09:27.000 This is coming in Illinois, of all places.

02:09:30.000 This is a town called Normal.

02:09:33.000 And I would say that the Normal situation is that that's what cops appear to be doing in many, many cities.

02:09:40.000 That's exactly what was happening in the New York Police Department.

02:09:43.000 That's what Adrian Schoolcraft wore a wire on himself to record that happening over and over again.

02:09:49.000 That he was told to go arrest people just to have a headcount on non-violent crime.

02:09:56.000 Allowing serious crime to go unpunished.

02:09:58.000 Discouraging people from filing complaints on serious crimes and yet hammering people on petty regulations.

02:10:06.000 Now in this particular story, they say that this is several police officers now have taken a lawsuit.

02:10:12.000 They've taken a different approach than Serpico did, a different approach than Adrian Schoolcraft did.

02:10:17.000 These guys got together, and to their credit, and we need to, as Serpico said, we need to stand up for the cops who do the right thing.

02:10:25.000 These cops are doing the right thing.

02:10:26.000 Patrol officers Brian Larimore, Debrake Weir, Deborah Weir, Todd Van Hoven were tired of being forced to collect a minimum amount of revenue each month or face disciplinary consequences.

02:10:40.000 They claim the department is abusing its power and they have filed a multi-page lawsuit, I think it's 27 pages, dealing with these allegations.

02:10:48.000 They say that it's more than just traffic citations as well.

02:10:51.000 The lawsuit details requirements to make at least two criminal arrests each month.

02:10:56.000 So they're not just after petty regulations.

02:10:58.000 They're actually going out and have a quota of criminal arrests.

02:11:02.000 A quota of criminal arrest.

02:11:03.000 Hold that thought there for a second.

02:11:05.000 Think about that.

02:11:06.000 Think about how they're ruining people's lives for a quota.

02:11:10.000 What's the agenda here of the police department?

02:11:12.000 These rank-and-file police officers are pushing back against a criminal system that is training our officers to act like they're in a war zone, equipping them and training them to shoot first, to shoot on sight, hyping them up, and then also sending them out to arrest people criminally and then also sending them out to arrest people criminally on a quota system.

02:11:32.000 So there you go.

02:11:34.000 That was what was happening in New York.

02:11:36.000 That's what Adrian Schoolcraft blew the whistle on.

02:11:39.000 For that, they put him in an insane asylum until his dad found him and got him out and also found the recording where they, I think it was the number two, if I'm correct or not, the number two at the New York Police Department was threatening him and was there at his apartment when they put him into the insane asylum.

02:12:00.000 I want to get Paul's reaction to this.

02:12:01.000 We have Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

02:12:03.000 It seems to me, Paul, this is very much like the war on drugs, this petty issue here.

02:12:10.000 If we can kill a man for a cigarette tax, isn't that what we've been doing with the war on drugs?

02:12:14.000 You know, when we have these SWAT teams who basically throw Flash grenades into a baby's crib and it's all justified and the militarized SWAT teams are all justified because it's about this prohibition law that we passed and of course now that we got the law we are entitled to do anything to any extreme to enforce that law.

02:12:32.000 Well, exactly.

02:12:33.000 This is what people have missed again in the Garner case.

02:12:36.000 The confrontation, the death of Eric Garner would have never have occurred if not for this ludicrous New York State and city cigarette tax.

02:12:46.000 There was a 190% hike in cigarette tax.

02:12:50.000 In New York State since 2006.

02:12:53.000 In turn, that led to a 59% increase in cigarette smuggling over the same period.

02:13:00.000 So now you have a situation where half of all cigarettes consumed within New York State are smuggled Are, in the eyes of the government, illegal cigarettes.

02:13:10.000 Because they now have a $4.35 per pack, dollar per pack, tax, in addition to a $1.50 per pack tax for the state, for the city as well, on every pack of cigarettes.

02:13:23.000 So if this hadn't have been imposed by the likes of Bloomberg, who before the confrontation with Eric Garner, increased police powers to target so-called cigarette smugglers, This choking death would have never have happened.

02:13:38.000 So Ghana's death was essentially caused by big government, caused by these punitive, greedy taxes being imposed by the state.

02:13:48.000 So again, that's a major issue.

02:13:50.000 These ludicrous taxes, again, are a direct cause of police brutality.

02:13:55.000 If we really want to address The issues, the solutions in preventing police brutality.

02:14:01.000 We need to know how these cases arise in the first place.

02:14:04.000 And in the case of Ghana, he was basically summarily executed for tax evasion.

02:14:09.000 So now they've set that precedent that American citizens can be summarily executed, choked to death, for violating some ludicrous tax law.

02:14:18.000 And we've seen this developing over quite a long period of time with the war on drugs, the massive, massive incarceration.

02:14:26.000 Again, that's where we also lead the world in terms of our prison population.

02:14:31.000 The number of people that we have per capita in prison adjusted for population is far greater than it is in communist China or in Russia.

02:14:40.000 It is, we lead the world and it's not even close with these other people, how many people we've thrown in prison.

02:14:46.000 And of course, this is where Those of you who are listening, although we've nearly lost jury trials, if somebody has a jury trial, this is where you can have an effect.

02:14:58.000 It can only be one situation, perhaps, but you can, as the proverb has, you know, the guy who was picking up the starfish and the beach was littered with starfish who were dying because the water was out.

02:15:10.000 The guy goes up, picks up one and throws it back in.

02:15:12.000 The guy says, Another guy says, how much good is that going to do?

02:15:15.000 That's just one starfish.

02:15:16.000 And he goes, yes, but it is one.

02:15:18.000 That is what you can do as a jury.

02:15:20.000 You can nullify these outrageous draconian laws and the penalties that come with them, the mandatory minimums.

02:15:27.000 You can nullify that as a single jury.

02:15:30.000 You can hang the jury.

02:15:32.000 You have the right, you have the duty to do that.

02:15:34.000 It's called jury nullification.

02:15:35.000 You need to educate yourself about that.

02:15:36.000 But I want to look at, real quickly Paul, get your reaction to this.

02:15:39.000 There's a story that was up on Reason two days ago, talking about the San Francisco Police Department and the approach that the police chief there is taking towards the war on drugs.

02:15:49.000 They said, when San Francisco stopped prosecuting drug users, violent crime went down.

02:15:56.000 And so they talked to the police chief there and he says he supports drug prohibition.

02:16:01.000 He says, I'm an ARC.

02:16:01.000 I've been a narcotics guy forever.

02:16:03.000 I feel sorry for the people who are addicted to drugs.

02:16:07.000 However, even though he sees it as a serious public health issue that needs to be addressed, He is not going out there and escalating the violence.

02:16:16.000 They say that San Francisco offers an enticing glimpse at what American cities might begin to look like if drugs were legalized or decriminalized.

02:16:24.000 His department still makes arrests for drug dealings but only on a complaint-driven basis.

02:16:28.000 They don't go out of their way to set up stings or raids or SWAT raids as we're talking about.

02:16:33.000 He says, we're not trying to keep a stat game going on arresting people for narcotics, and it hasn't hurt us trying to achieve our goal and trying to make San Francisco safer or safest is what he said.

02:16:45.000 So there's a situation where they de-escalated this, where they de-escalated the violence.

02:16:50.000 He's still arresting people if there's complaints about it, but he isn't getting in their face about it.

02:16:55.000 And I think it's an important look at what things might look like if we got rid of the excuse that they've been using to create this militarized police force.

02:17:04.000 Well, I mean, David, we know that ending drug prohibition reduces crime.

02:17:10.000 Any country that has done it, that's exactly what happened.

02:17:13.000 I mean, look at Portugal, look at other countries in Europe.

02:17:16.000 As soon as they start taking those steps, crime is reduced.

02:17:20.000 And actually, even, I was watching Fox News a couple of days ago.

02:17:24.000 They had a host and three panel guests who all agreed that the war on drugs has failed.

02:17:30.000 That it's completely ridiculous that it's just targeting innocent people, wasting money, creating this huge prison industrial complex.

02:17:38.000 And they all agreed on Fox News!

02:17:40.000 They all agreed that the war on drugs had to end.

02:17:43.000 So, I mean, when it gets to that stage, it's over.

02:17:44.000 We've seen Colorado, their economy is booming as a result.

02:17:48.000 The legalization of marijuana.

02:17:50.000 We've seen other states take steps in that direction since the midterms and it's just positive benefits all around.

02:17:57.000 And if you look at the cases in other countries, it works every time.

02:18:01.000 So I think that's one front on which we're winning the battle.

02:18:05.000 That's good, you know, because prohibition doesn't work. 0.96

02:18:06.000 It didn't work with alcohol prohibition.

02:18:08.000 Even though when they did alcohol prohibition, they had at least enough respect for the Constitution to file two constitutional amendments.

02:18:15.000 We got one creating alcohol prohibition, another one to repeal it.

02:18:18.000 Why did they need to have a constitutional amendment? 0.99

02:18:21.000 Because the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to tell you what you can own, to tell you what you can put in your body.

02:18:28.000 You know what?

02:18:28.000 They don't even have the constitutional authority to mandate insurance to you, do they, Paul?

02:18:32.000 We're going to be talking more about that.

02:18:34.000 But I think that's really what's been driving the violence in the last couple of decades.

02:18:39.000 We've seen the rule of law.

02:18:40.000 Eroded in terms of civil forfeiture acts where they can seize property, charge the inanimate property with a crime when they never charge the person possessing it with a crime.

02:18:50.000 Just confiscate stuff, steal stuff.

02:18:52.000 It breeds corruption.

02:18:53.000 It's bred violence.

02:18:55.000 It's a policy that needs to go.

02:18:57.000 But I think that the reason that they're willing to let it go...

02:19:00.000 Is because they know they can replace all of this militarized, violent stuff with the war on terror.

02:19:08.000 I think that's where they're going to put their next focus on.

02:19:11.000 And I think they're going to continue to do the same types of militarized police unless we push back, unless we can get above this idea that this is simply white against black.

02:19:21.000 That's the thing that they're trying to sell us.

02:19:23.000 If we buy into that, we're not going to have reform.

02:19:27.000 Exactly, and on the jury trials, just quickly, there's a story.

02:19:31.000 South Carolina jury indicts white officer for killing black man.

02:19:35.000 Media ignores, that's out of truth revolt.

02:19:38.000 And basically this was a police chief who back in 2011 had a struggle with an African American in a vehicle, shot him in the chest.

02:19:47.000 He was unarmed, and this officer has just today, or yesterday, been indicted by a grand jury in South Carolina.

02:19:55.000 But of course the media is not going to give that any attention, because they're trying to fan the flames of this race war, which again ignores the real problem.

02:20:03.000 Hang on Paul, we gotta go to break.

02:20:04.000 We're gonna be right back, and Paul Joseph Weiss and I are gonna take your calls.

02:20:07.000 I know we've had a lot of people who've been hanging on for a long time.

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02:24:37.000 Eric in Texas, go ahead.

02:24:39.000 Hi, David.

02:24:41.000 I want to talk about, you know, the corruption in the country and it goes with the police.

02:24:46.000 I totally agree with Mr. Watson.

02:24:48.000 He nailed it on the head.

02:24:49.000 I think what's happening, not only have they taken control of the discussion, you know, we're not allowed to see that, you know, there's corruption in the judicial system as a whole.

02:24:58.000 You know, the judges, the lawyers, the whole system works with these police, they're bad, and it makes the good ones look bad, and it causes a lot of people on my end, you know, I have a lot of conservative friends, a lot of liberal friends, they're disgusted, and they've decided to just take the cop's side.

02:25:17.000 And they see it as fine.

02:25:19.000 And again, I see this as, you know, an attempt to take over the discussion from us.

02:25:24.000 Remember, Hillary Clinton said we're losing the info war.

02:25:27.000 I see this as part of a, you know, a desperation act to try to, you know, take it so they maybe, you know, take it back.

02:25:27.000 Yeah.

02:25:35.000 But how do we reach people, David, that they refuse to listen, you know, to let's say, you know, we have a black community. 0.89

02:25:42.000 They won't listen to any white people. 0.94

02:25:44.000 We have a white community, they won't listen to anybody liberal. 0.91

02:25:47.000 Whatever the situation, whatever group you live in, we need to come together.

02:25:52.000 And how do we do that?

02:25:54.000 Because there's so many people, they're just not going to hear you.

02:25:57.000 You guys are absolutely right, but you'll never be heard.

02:26:00.000 Well, they start to bring in nonsense like that.

02:26:02.000 I remember just a couple of weeks ago there was a big discussion about an Uber executive, you know, the cyber taxi system.

02:26:11.000 An Uber executive said that he'd like to hire four people to go after a particular journalist, pay him a million dollars to do it, you know, get dirt on her, make it public.

02:26:18.000 And there was a huge pushback against that.

02:26:21.000 This journalist started turning it into sexism instead of attacking people.

02:26:26.000 That's a very underhanded suggestion to do something like that.

02:26:30.000 It's against our First Amendment, but it really showed the character that they would do something like that or even think that that would be a reasonable thing to do as a guy put at force.

02:26:40.000 But then when they started talking about it as sexism, it basically lost all momentum.

02:26:45.000 And when they start talking about this as being simply a racist issue, then we take reform off of the table.

02:26:52.000 And that's really what Eric Holder is doing.

02:26:54.000 He's now promising to end racial profiling once and for all.

02:26:58.000 He's going to institute rigorous new standards and robust safeguards to help end racial profiling once and for all.

02:27:04.000 It's about a problem that's much bigger than that, and I'll let Paul comment on that.

02:27:08.000 But I think when I looked at that video that was up the other day, this is what happens when you call the cops.

02:27:12.000 He was showing the abuse on white people as well.

02:27:15.000 He was even showing CPS abuse, Child Protective Services abuse.

02:27:19.000 And of course we have the article today about the couple had their children confiscated after their home birth.

02:27:26.000 Some people reported them because they gave birth at home and the CPS people start coming there.

02:27:30.000 That's their probable cause to intrude into their family.

02:27:33.000 Then they start nitpicking their lives and next thing you know they've confiscated their children.

02:27:37.000 So Paul, how do we get this Narrative away from them, this narrative that they're trying to sell everybody, that it's simply racism.

02:27:45.000 Well, I mean, the federal government routinely makes a big show about, you know, federal investigations, Justice Department investigations, no matter what your take on Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown or Eric Garner.

02:27:57.000 Those federal investigations go nowhere.

02:28:00.000 The Trayvon Martin federal investigation is still open.

02:28:04.000 And by all accounts, it's completely fruitless.

02:28:06.000 It's not even coming to any conclusion.

02:28:09.000 Again, proving they don't care about justice, but they're right there on the scene in the very first moments inciting the race war, like Obama was saying that the anger in response to the Michael Brown case was justified, when if you actually look at the evidence and the facts of the case, not the emotional manipulation and the media narrative,

02:28:28.000 Then the anger in that one specific case was not justified based on the evidence, the autopsy results, the ballistic evidence, which backed up Officer Wilson's version of what happened.

02:28:40.000 It would be justified in the Eric Garner case, and that's the point I've made.

02:28:43.000 You know, I've been steadfast and consistent in supporting a judgment based on facts and evidence, not on emotional manipulation.

02:28:51.000 So whereas I Agreed with the grand jury verdict in the Brown case.

02:28:55.000 I disagree with it in the Garner case.

02:28:57.000 Because again, I'm not influenced by this media narrative which is pushing race and division.

02:29:02.000 I think we need to elevate the black voices that are speaking out against both violence within police departments and violence within the black community.

02:29:11.000 Because they've got the most credibility and hopefully the social justice warriors who get distracted by white privilege and all these other distractions will pay heed to those prominent black voices like Charles Barkley.

02:29:26.000 We heard the same criticisms of the Bundy Ranch.

02:29:27.000 We heard people say, well you show up here but you're not going to show up at the inner city.

02:29:30.000 We did show up at the inner city with our reporters and you know what?

02:29:33.000 There were volunteers who showed up at the Bundy Ranch to constrain the violence there that was being conducted by the federal government.

02:29:40.000 And we also had volunteers, Oath Keepers, show up to protect private businesses in Ferguson.

02:29:47.000 And of course, they were shut down, mainly, by the feds.

02:29:50.000 We're going to be right back.

02:29:51.000 Hang on through the break.

02:29:52.000 Eric, if there's anything else that you wanted to follow up with, since you've waited so long, I'll take your call if you want to hang on through the break.

02:29:58.000 We'll be right back.

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02:35:40.000 Now going back to Eric in Texas, I know Eric you held on for a long time.

02:35:43.000 You were talking about how frustrating it was to try to get your friends, both conservative and liberal, to really see what the issue is here because they are being blinded and misdirected by this red herring of racism.

02:35:56.000 They're not seeing that this is a much broader, much deeper problem than merely racism.

02:36:02.000 And I say merely.

02:36:03.000 There certainly is a component in terms of a statistical disproportionate amount of crime that's in the black community and a disproportionate number of people. 1.00

02:36:12.000 Even if you adjust for that, the number of people that go to prison in terms of black versus white, the system, I believe, is definitely skewed against the black people.

02:36:21.000 But we need to not just say, let's send more white people to prison or let's send less black people to prison for violation of drug prohibition.

02:36:30.000 Let's look at drug prohibition, for example, and say, this is wrong, we shouldn't be sending anybody to prison, black or white. 0.99

02:36:36.000 What are your comments, Eric?

02:36:38.000 I think you guys are absolutely fantastic and correct.

02:36:41.000 I had a simple idea, it probably didn't originate from me, but how do we, I mean, is it possible we can take people like Professor Griff, you know, the real Rick Ross, the real guy, And send them on a little tour, like a small tour, you know, maybe five cities or just see how it goes.

02:36:56.000 And send them to inner cities.

02:36:57.000 Let them talk to the kids.

02:36:59.000 Let them talk to the violent people, you know, that we really need to change. 0.67

02:37:04.000 Because there's plenty of good people in those black communities. 0.76

02:37:06.000 You don't hear them on the TV.

02:37:08.000 And they've had the courage to come on our show and talk about that.

02:37:11.000 And as a matter of fact, Rick Ross was going around in Texas here.

02:37:14.000 That's when Josh went around and filmed him.

02:37:15.000 That's part of our report that we put up.

02:37:17.000 That's a very important message to get out.

02:37:17.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:37:20.000 Yes, thank you.

02:37:23.000 Thank you very much, Eric in Texas.

02:37:25.000 Let's go to Chris in Nevada.

02:37:26.000 Go ahead, Chris.

02:37:29.000 Well, good morning, David and Paul.

02:37:32.000 Good morning.

02:37:33.000 What's on your mind?

02:37:34.000 Well, I'm a former multi-jurisdictional law enforcement professional myself, having served in four different distinct jurisdictions and attended four of their different and separate training academies.

02:37:49.000 I wanted to comment on the devised misinterpretation or made to be misinterpreted word term crime that is set forth in the probable cause description.

02:38:07.000 Probable cause is described as the facts or circumstances that would cause a reasonable man to Conclude that one, a crime has been committed, and two, the person accused committed said crime.

02:38:22.000 However, the word term crime has a specifically delineated meaning, constituting that of a felony criminal nature set forth in the case Thompson v. Smith, which says for a law enforcement officer to have a municipal purpose

02:38:41.000 To be in the presence of an individual to make further inquiry, he must be able to articulate with extreme specificity the facts or circumstances that would cause him to conclude that, one, a particular felony crime had been committed, and two, the circumstances that would cause him to conclude that the person he was stopping had some reasonable basis for relating to that felony crime.

02:39:09.000 Okay, so what do you think about these two indictments here?

02:39:12.000 What's your opinion of them?

02:39:14.000 Should there have been grand jury indictments?

02:39:17.000 Well, what you're seeing there is what's referred to in law as Lex Locam Tori, the local law of the emperor.

02:39:25.000 Common Parliance is called hometown.

02:39:29.000 Whenever the jurisdiction that you're in is paid for, all the police, the prosecutors, the judges, Uh, has their variable financial liability on the line.

02:39:42.000 It's to their particular interest to have the pre-concluded accumulation of the grand jury or purported.

02:39:51.000 It's probably a jury trial rather than a trial by jury specifically.

02:39:56.000 But the, like you observed, in fact, I really have to compliment Lionel that was on here earlier.

02:40:01.000 He was an immensely knowledgeable, experienced prosecutor, but he is more of a defender.

02:40:08.000 These insinuations for the prosecution in league with the judge in their particular court can put their thumb on the scales of justice and use their prosecutorial and judicial discretion

02:40:23.000 To influence the presentment and of course the counties have unlimited resources to develop the evidence and pick and choose or cherry pick the evidence that's most effectuous to the presentment of their point or political agenda that they wish to put forth to the jury.

02:40:40.000 Yeah, and going to that, in the case in Ferguson, Missouri, for example, what we have learned as some of these records have been released, and they're typically not released at a grand jury, is we learn things like Darren Wilson was allowed to wipe any and all blood off of himself.

02:40:54.000 He was allowed to wipe off the gun, which was a key part of the story, that he was wrestling with Michael Brown with his gun, and he was able to wipe that off.

02:41:04.000 So they couldn't verify that they had any fingerprints of Michael Brown on the gun.

02:41:08.000 We also know they didn't record the conversation.

02:41:10.000 We know that the officer who investigated the scene of the crime said he didn't really see any need to measure the distance between the police car, the police officer, and Michael Brown when he was shot.

02:41:21.000 All of these things start to come out of the grand jury trial, and so you look at this and you say, well, did we really have a fair hearing here?

02:41:28.000 I think that what's going to happen is, certainly, it's going to move to a civil venue and there's still going to be some liability there.

02:41:34.000 Of course, the taxpayers will be the ones who will wind up paying that, but I wonder If these guys were criminally convicted, these police officers, because of their training, because of the way they've been equipped and trained, I wonder if they would in turn sue the city for damages because they were doing what they were trained to do.

02:41:53.000 Paul, did you want to comment on this?

02:41:55.000 Yeah, just on the Brown case, I mean, the ballistics and the blood splatter show that Brown's blood was on Wilson's gun.

02:42:03.000 The autopsy results also show that Brown's thumb was grazed by a bullet, which directly suggests that there was a struggle for the gun and that Brown tried to grab Wilson's gun, backing up Wilson's testimony.

02:42:16.000 Also, the eyewitnesses Many of them told the police that they were intimidated by other people living in the immediate area to verify this myth that was created by Brown's accomplice in the robbery of the convenience store, which was that Brown had his hands up when he was shot.

02:42:34.000 The autopsy results again say that that's false.

02:42:37.000 They say that the claim that he was shot in the back is false.

02:42:40.000 So a bunch of witnesses basically got caught lying and then the ballistics, the blood spatter.

02:42:46.000 The autopsy results do back up Wilson's account which is why I base my judgment on that evidence and which I believe is why the grand jury acquitted Wilson.

02:42:55.000 Yeah, I don't really want to get into, you know, rehashing all the details of the trial and everything.

02:42:59.000 I think though what The documents that we've seen come out of the grand jury, I think, show that there's a very different standard of evidence.

02:43:06.000 For example, if I, as a private citizen, were involved in a shooting and I wiped all the fingerprints off the gun, that might, in and of itself, be probable cause to have a A murder trial or something for me.

02:43:20.000 So there's a very different standard of evidence.

02:43:22.000 There's a very different, actually they have a law enforcement Bill of Rights that was put in by Senator Joe Biden after multiple times that give a very different approach, a very different presumption, special protections with the police unions and other things that allow the police to actually have a second, a superior Bill of Rights, which of course they don't pay much attention to our Bill of Rights.

02:43:44.000 But they get a special privileged approach to all this, and that's what I see coming out of some of these records, coming out of the grand jury, which I think is more relevant in the broader scheme of things, whether or not Officer Wilson was justified in that.

02:43:59.000 And again, I don't want to make it so much about Wilson versus Brown or Black versus White, because this is a very broad problem, and we have a lot of systemic bias, a lot of systemic corruption, and we have a lot of systemic training for violence that's going on in this.

02:44:14.000 Let's go to Sean in Tennessee.

02:44:16.000 Sean, go ahead.

02:44:18.000 Hey, how you doing?

02:44:19.000 I'm a former police officer.

02:44:21.000 I also help teach Constitution and Statutory Law at the Upper East Tennessee Research Institute.

02:44:27.000 One thing I wanted to talk about was the fact that jurisdiction.

02:44:30.000 We keep talking about all these entities getting away with everything they're doing, including militarization of the police nowadays.

02:44:38.000 The problem is, like in the Money Rant issue, remember he kept saying, I don't have a contract with the federal government and they don't have jurisdiction.

02:44:44.000 Yes.

02:44:45.000 The FBI cannot write you a speeding ticket on a roadway because they only have jurisdiction within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

02:44:52.000 Yes.

02:44:53.000 And that is Washington, D.C.

02:44:55.000 And we keep believing the myth that the United States of America and the United States are the same thing.

02:45:00.000 And in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution, they're not.

02:45:04.000 That's a very good point.

02:45:05.000 When I was at the Bundy Ranch, one of the things that, you know, the thing they were most concerned about was the violence that was being perpetrated against people.

02:45:13.000 And that morning that they had the standoff later on in the day, that morning when Sheriff Gillespie showed up at the Bundy Ranch, Cliven Bundy said to him, I want you to confiscate the weapons of the BLM.

02:45:26.000 I want you to open up these roadblocks into these areas because you are the one with jurisdiction.

02:45:31.000 I'm going to wait a couple hours for you to do this.

02:45:33.000 And when he didn't do it, that's when he said, let's go get our cattle back because the sheriff wasn't going to do anything.

02:45:38.000 It's local law enforcement that has the jurisdiction.

02:45:41.000 You're absolutely right, Sean.

02:45:43.000 Um, if you don't mind, there's a famous case.

02:45:46.000 It's called Barron versus the City of Baltimore.

02:45:48.000 A lot of us believe we have constitutional rights.

02:45:50.000 We don't.

02:45:51.000 As men, we are above the Constitution and outside of it.

02:45:54.000 The Constitution was written for the United States as a limitation on their power, not a grantor of ours.

02:46:00.000 We have unalienable rights, numerated in the Declaration from the Creator.

02:46:05.000 And as long as we don't harm anyone, there is no crime.

02:46:09.000 They can't charge you with marijuana and stuff like that.

02:46:13.000 When I did that, I didn't understand that.

02:46:14.000 Cops don't understand that code is under the Uniform Commercial Code, and that laws and codes are two totally different things.

02:46:23.000 They are not.

02:46:24.000 A code is a copyrighted, private copyrighted list of codes and regulations for a particular jurisdiction, and it's only applicable to corporations, states, and attorneys.

02:46:36.000 The Bar Association is not a license to practice law.

02:46:40.000 We had a law for a hundred years before the bar ever existed.

02:46:43.000 The problem is that the American people have become completely ignorant as to who they are, and they're supposed to be above the government.

02:46:51.000 We don't complain.

02:46:53.000 As men and women, we file claims on their oath of office.

02:46:58.000 Absolutely.

02:46:58.000 You're absolutely right.

02:46:59.000 and a breach of their contract when they commit perjury, and we take their bonds from them.

02:47:04.000 That's how you hold them accountable.

02:47:06.000 We don't keep complaining and whining why they keep doing this.

02:47:09.000 We have to take their power away.

02:47:11.000 You're absolutely right.

02:47:12.000 We have those rights from God, and we established the government and the Constitution to protect those rights, and they've turned this upside down.

02:47:22.000 Sean, you're going to really enjoy the interview that we had with Greg Morris about this entire banking system.

02:47:28.000 I mean, this thing is like the Iran Contra going from the very beginning where they break the chain of title all the way to the funding the black ops through the Swiss banks.

02:47:39.000 That's a very important process and one of the things that's very important about this interview and what Greg Morse is trying to do and this is someone who was involved in the early days of the savings and loan crisis and that is to force a review of this illegal operation that they're doing.

02:47:53.000 CNN and just these bankers completely changed the way we record and register our properties, broke the chain of titles with these new institutions that they created from 1995 to 1999.

02:48:07.000 They created this crisis, they created these institutions, they've hoodwinked the public, and then they use that money to fund wars, to overthrow governments, to push the drug to put it into these black ops. 0.60

02:48:18.000 That's an important thing for people to understand where their rights come from.

02:48:21.000 If you want to audit the Fed, start with auditing your own mortgage.

02:48:24.000 See what's going on with that.

02:48:26.000 Thank you so much, Sean.

02:48:27.000 I want to try to get some of these other people to comment, and I want to give Paul a chance to talk.

02:48:31.000 Let's go to Jacob in Ohio, and I'll let Paul respond to his call.

02:48:35.000 Go ahead, Jacob.

02:48:35.000 Yes, hi.

02:48:38.000 I just recently turned 18, and I kind of did a shadow program with our local police station, and, well, basically, it was outrageous some of the stuff that they taught me and some of the stuff they were teaching the other shadowers it was outrageous some of the stuff that they taught me and some of the stuff they were teaching the other shadowers And well, just any questions that you have for me about when I was in the program.

02:49:07.000 Well, so you're basically following them around like a career day, right?

02:49:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:49:13.000 Okay, tell us one thing that was the most, you said you were outraged by what happened, what was the most outrageous thing that you saw?

02:49:20.000 Well, one night, it was, I think, 9.15 at night, there was a group of, I think, four or five teenagers outside of a McDonald's, and one of them took off running.

02:49:31.000 And they obviously were dealing drugs or something, and it turned out to be a dying bag of weed I got out of the car and said, you know, stop, you know, and then Deputy McCain came out.

02:49:44.000 He didn't shoot him, but he got the taser and shot a, I think he was a 15 year old boy, shot him with a taser.

02:49:52.000 And he sat there and, you know, twitched out, man, literally.

02:49:59.000 Well, we have a situation here in Texas, right outside of Austin, is down in Bastrop.

02:50:04.000 They had a fight that was going on, and between a couple of people, a third party got between them, according to witnesses, and broke that up.

02:50:11.000 And then you see videotape of a cop just walking up and tasering that kid.

02:50:17.000 Not really assessing the situation.

02:50:19.000 Tasering him.

02:50:19.000 He falls down on the concrete floor.

02:50:22.000 Brain damage.

02:50:22.000 Still in a coma, I believe.

02:50:24.000 That's a lawsuit that's working its way through.

02:50:26.000 So, that's something.

02:50:28.000 You shadowed the cops as part of your school program.

02:50:31.000 I think that's an important thing for people to understand what's going on.

02:50:36.000 To look at the rules that they're giving them.

02:50:39.000 To engage the public.

02:50:40.000 And have a real discussion about what appropriate use of force is.

02:50:43.000 And I hear the music coming in.

02:50:45.000 We've got to go to Go to a break, but I'm going to come back and give Paul a chance to talk.

02:50:49.000 Thank you so much, Jacob in Ohio.

02:50:52.000 We're going to go to George in Connecticut right after the break.

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02:54:08.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:54:26.000 I'm David Knight.

02:54:27.000 I have Paul Joseph Watson in the UK.

02:54:29.000 And we've been taking callers.

02:54:31.000 George in Connecticut, I know you've been holding for a while.

02:54:33.000 I want to get back to you and Overdrive and the other callers that are there.

02:54:36.000 I've only got Paul for this one last segment.

02:54:38.000 And I wanted to get his take on what Obama is proposing in the wake of these high-profile police violence cases.

02:54:47.000 We've had him propose $263 million for body cameras.

02:54:54.000 We see that Eric Holder says he can end racism with racist quotas and now we've got a police chief that's going to chair the 21st century committee on chairing on 21st century policing task force that has a real troubled past.

02:55:11.000 This is a police chief Who is the police chief of Philadelphia.

02:55:15.000 He, on his watch they say, and this is in the AntiMedia.org, they say a federal investigation into corruption was launched over a conspiracy, robbery, extortion, kidnapping and drug dealing.

02:55:25.000 That's the guy you picked to chair your task force on 21st century policing.

02:55:30.000 They say the Philadelphia police were also caught ignoring thousands of rape cases to keep their crime numbers low.

02:55:36.000 What I talked about earlier in the program going on in the New York Police Department.

02:55:40.000 And even though marijuana was decriminalized, he is still saying that he's going to continue to arrest people pursuant to Pennsylvania law, even though they decriminalized it there in Philadelphia.

02:55:53.000 Paul, your reaction on Obama's solutions?

02:55:56.000 Well, of course, the body camera solution has been rendered completely invalid by this Eric Garner case where the guy who filmed the choking death himself was indicted and the cop wasn't, so that's gone completely out of the window, that doesn't even matter anymore.

02:56:13.000 That's right.

02:56:14.000 As far as racist quotas, what, are they gonna arrest more white people to get the quotas up?

02:56:19.000 I mean, what kind of solution is that?

02:56:21.000 Yeah, because we have these private prisons that are guaranteed to have a certain occupancy rate, so if they're going to arrest fewer black people, I guess we're going to have to get more of everybody else to fill up these prisons, because we've got this private prison military-industrial complex. 0.69

02:56:34.000 Well, you know, there's some interesting stats that have just come out of the Centre on Juvenile and Criminal Justice Department.

02:56:40.000 In 2012, 123 blacks were killed by police with a gun.

02:56:42.000 323 blacks were killed by police with a gun.

02:56:45.000 And in the same year, 326 whites were killed by police with a gun.

02:56:50.000 So if you take out Hispanics from that white total, that is generally in coordination with the population of white and black people in America, Including Hispanics, whites are about 70% of the population, blacks are about 13%.

02:57:06.000 So if those stats are accurate out of the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice Department, which says that police killings of blacks are down 70% in the last 50 years, Then again, it emphasises the point that this is not about race.

02:57:20.000 This is about police brutality, which is what I've tried to emphasise all along, but that's what the social justice warriors are taking the focus away from that, making it about white people and white privilege when it's about violence.

02:57:36.000 And of course they can take this in any direction they want to, to avoid any kind of reform.

02:57:40.000 We also, you're talking about how futile it is to say that body cameras are going to actually stop anything.

02:57:46.000 We saw the murder of that homeless man outside of Albuquerque.

02:57:50.000 We saw that on a body camera.

02:57:52.000 We've seen the two recent shootings, one of a guy in Walmart who was going to buy a BB gun.

02:57:57.000 We saw that on video.

02:57:59.000 He was shot by cops without warning.

02:58:01.000 We saw a 12-year-old who had a BB gun, shot by cops.

02:58:04.000 We saw that on video, shot without warning.

02:58:06.000 And in both of those cases, the amazing thing is, even though they were holding BB guns...

02:58:10.000 People turned the direction onto the BB guns and said, well we shouldn't even have toy guns because people are getting killed with toy guns, so let's ban the toy guns instead of addressing cops who show up on the scene shooting first.

02:58:24.000 Exactly, and in the case of the 12-year-old, I mean, he was shot instantly.

02:58:27.000 There was no hesitation whatsoever.

02:58:28.000 Absolutely.

02:58:29.000 Absolutely.

02:58:29.000 He jumps out, and it was a rookie.

02:58:31.000 That's what they're training the rookies to do.

02:58:33.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

02:58:34.000 Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

02:58:36.000 Stay with us right after the break.

02:58:37.000 In Overdrive, we're going to take the people who've been holding on call, try to get as many of those as we can through.

02:58:42.000 through.

02:58:43.000 We'll be right back.

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02:59:57.000 1-882-5331-391 you're listening to the Alex Jones show fix bayonets

03:00:24.000 We are now entering overdrive with your host Alex Jones broadcasting live from the front lines.

03:00:31.000 If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance.

03:00:35.000 Welcome back to Overdrive.

03:00:43.000 I wanted to get some of the callers who've been waiting a long time patiently.

03:00:47.000 I wanted to finish up with Paul Joseph Watson while I still had him in the UK.

03:00:50.000 But let's go to your calls and see if we can get through as many as we can here.

03:00:54.000 George in Connecticut.

03:00:57.000 Hi Paul, I was listening to Curtis Sliwa and Ron Cooby at a New York station, I think it's syndicated throughout the United States, and they were talking about the issues and they said they had an expert on there that was sort of neutral, he wasn't pro-cop, whatever he's been involved in this situations in New York routinely.

03:01:18.000 And he said it was mainly because it was in Staten Island.

03:01:22.000 Staten Island is a bedroom community for lots of the police, including their families.

03:01:27.000 So if you have mostly family and people who are related to the cops in one way or another, it's harder than ever to get a jury to.

03:01:36.000 Yeah.

03:01:37.000 And And the other point they were making, they should have probably had a special prosecutor.

03:01:40.000 But I have another slant on this as well, because I've been victimized by police as well as not being victimized in other countries.

03:01:48.000 Anybody who thinks that this is the way we should do police business, they should do a Google search on how many people were killed by cops in Japan.

03:01:57.000 Zero, probably in the last 10 years.

03:02:00.000 As Paul pointed out, we've had more in one year than they've had in the entire history of policing in the U.K., And they've got a much longer history of policing there than we do here.

03:02:00.000 Oh, yeah.

03:02:09.000 And I've had incidents with police in Japan because I lived there several years, and even started yelling at a cop because he kept bothering me every time I went by.

03:02:18.000 He thought all white guys look the same, you know?

03:02:21.000 I'd tell him, we don't look the same, can't you remember?

03:02:25.000 Yeah, that's part of the problem.

03:02:27.000 Well, you know, Lionel said that, uh, pointed out that in many states, if it's a felony, they'll go straight for a trial.

03:02:34.000 They don't go through the grand jury process.

03:02:36.000 I think one solution would be for these situations, especially when people are calling into question excessive use of force.

03:02:43.000 I think they ought to go directly to a trial.

03:02:45.000 Skip the grand jury stuff.

03:02:47.000 We don't need to see some kind of a secretive non-trial.

03:02:50.000 We need to have this as a real trial.

03:02:52.000 It needs to be have some outside involvement, not just the people who live there in the community, not people who are part of the system.

03:02:58.000 And this is a bigger problem than just Staten Island.

03:03:01.000 This is a bigger problem than white versus black. 1.00

03:03:03.000 This is a national problem.

03:03:04.000 This is happening all over the country.

03:03:06.000 These rules of engagement, this militarization of the police that's being driven out of Washington.

03:03:11.000 Thank you so much, George, in Connecticut.

03:03:13.000 Let's go to Dave in New York.

03:03:15.000 Dave?

03:03:16.000 Hey guys, how you doing?

03:03:17.000 Doing a great job.

03:03:19.000 What's your question?

03:03:19.000 Thank you.

03:03:19.000 Go ahead.

03:03:22.000 I want to comment on the difficulty of cooperating.

03:03:27.000 And I want to tell you a story, and I hope you can put it on your website.

03:03:30.000 It would help us.

03:03:32.000 We're fighting a case where a gentleman was charged with murder.

03:03:36.000 What led up to the charges is he found out he had a fugitive living next door.

03:03:41.000 And when he helped the guy, eventually the guy told him that he was, uh, confessed he was wanted for rape.

03:03:49.000 My guy went to the police, he made arrangements with the police to deliver this guy to the police.

03:03:55.000 So, he takes him down the road, they pull the guy over for speeding, Reprimand my guy who's speeding and pull the fell out of the car gently and courteously and ask him who he is and then without even cuffing him or checking to see if there is a warrant they take him back to the shack where he stays.

03:04:17.000 Where he promptly bolts having no cuffs on him.

03:04:22.000 They assure my guy no big deal but next day they amount an enormous manhunt.

03:04:29.000 Which my guy, again, assists.

03:04:32.000 Telling them the lay of the land.

03:04:34.000 They surround the wrong building.

03:04:35.000 They flush this guy into a reservoir where he's swimming at, what, half a mile an hour?

03:04:41.000 Uh-huh.

03:04:42.000 They ride to the opposite side of the reservoir with SWAT, dogs, helicopter, boat, and they miss the guy.

03:04:51.000 Somehow they lose him.

03:04:53.000 But, do you think this guy, we're almost at it, we've got ten seconds.

03:04:56.000 Was this guy involved with him, you think?

03:05:00.000 No, he was not.

03:05:01.000 But when he showed up the next day, my guy shot him after trying to arrest him when he lunched at him.

03:05:06.000 Oh.

03:05:06.000 Well, that's all the time we've got tonight.

03:05:08.000 Nightly News.

03:05:09.000 Hang on, we'll get your phone number.

03:05:10.000 7 Central, 8 p.m.

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