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00:00:31.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:38.000 Welcome to the Alex Jones Show on this Friday, December 5th, 2014.

00:00:42.000 I'm David Knight.

00:00:43.000 I'll be your host today, but I'll be joined in the next segment with Paul Joseph Watson from the UK, and we're going to have back on the show Lionel.

00:00:49.000 We talked to him yesterday.

00:00:50.000 He's a New York-based talk show host, and of course he's a former prosecutor, defense attorney.

00:00:57.000 We talked to him about these grand jury indictments and we want to talk to him a little bit more.

00:01:00.000 It's a very good discussion there.

00:01:02.000 And I think really kind of the theme today is are we going to be a nation of laws or are we going to be a nuclear banana republic?

00:01:11.000 Because we've got Jerome Corsi coming on later in the show and he's going to be talking about Obama's amnesty order.

00:01:18.000 That was bad enough that he did an executive order just bypassing Congress.

00:01:23.000 And of course he admitted to it, we talked about that yesterday, how they tried to walk back his comments when he was being protested by some illegal aliens who were criticizing him for not going farther.

00:01:33.000 And he said, I changed the law for you.

00:01:37.000 I changed the law for you.

00:01:41.000 Well, executive orders are not about changing the law.

00:01:45.000 Shouldn't be, if we're going to have a democracy.

00:01:47.000 Laws originate, of course, in Congress if we're going to have a nation that is run according to the rules, according to the Constitution that they swear to.

00:01:56.000 But Jerome Corsi did a little bit of digging, and he found out something very interesting.

00:02:00.000 He found that Obama had not even signed his executive order.

00:02:04.000 So we've had Obama signing, remember when he signed the NDAA on New Year's Eve?

00:02:09.000 And then when everybody, he said he wasn't going to sign it, then he did sign it, then he says, don't worry, I'm not going to enforce indefinite detention by the military without trial, without due process.

00:02:21.000 Remember when he said that?

00:02:22.000 Do you really trust If you trust Obama to do that, if you're a Democrat wholly swallowed up into this false paradigm they got, and you're such a team player that you believe that Barack Obama would never do this, do you really trust the next president who's probably going to be a Republican?

00:02:38.000 Do you really trust that guy not to enforce that?

00:02:41.000 We've just had the Republican House go in and do what Ron Paul calls a declaration of war, basically passing a resolution criticizing Russia as being aggressive when clearly I think we were behind a lot of the aggression, a lot of the changes that are going on in the Ukraine.

00:02:58.000 Very, very reckless, provocative measure there by the House.

00:03:03.000 But of course we have a dictator who basically thinks that he doesn't even need to sign his dictates.

00:03:10.000 Of course, a dictator is somebody who the law comes out of their mouth, so why would he have to bother to even go through the process of even bothering to sign his executive orders?

00:03:20.000 That's the deep contempt that he has for the rule of law.

00:03:24.000 And of course, we've also got the U.N.

00:03:26.000 Arms Trade Treaty.

00:03:28.000 An article on New American today says that looks like they're going to declare that that's in effect December 25th.

00:03:35.000 That'd be a great day for them to do it while nobody's paying attention.

00:03:37.000 They enact the NDAA on New Year's Eve and they enact absolute total gun control over all small arms, all ammunition, all gun parts, totally embargo that, require that the national government Have control over all weapons, set up a national gun control registry?

00:03:54.000 Hey, that's a great idea, isn't it?

00:03:57.000 Let me tell you something.

00:03:58.000 When you look at all of these police brutality incidents, when you look at people who are being gunned down in the street over and over again on these videos, who are unarmed, do you really think, do you really think it's a good idea to give the police a monopoly on the use of force?

00:04:14.000 Do you really think so?

00:04:16.000 I don't think so.

00:04:17.000 And the bottom line is, the police aren't even going to have that monopoly on the use of force.

00:04:21.000 It's going to be the UN.

00:04:22.000 The UN is already talking about disarming our own police.

00:04:25.000 So that's where the whole thing is headed.

00:04:27.000 I want to cover a couple of quick news articles before we go on.

00:04:29.000 These are just kind of some side things.

00:04:31.000 There's a Utah order.

00:04:32.000 This is from Vox.com.

00:04:34.000 Utah, the state of Utah, is ordering startups to raise their prices so the competitors are treated fairly.

00:04:39.000 Now listen to their rationale.

00:04:41.000 They say that it's illegal for an insurance company to use their website to induce people to purchase insurance.

00:04:48.000 I guess you need to coerce them in order to get insurance.

00:04:51.000 That's the idea.

00:04:52.000 So they say that they're giving unfair... that what they're doing is unfair to their competition because they're giving information to their customers.

00:05:00.000 See, it's supposed to be kept quiet.

00:05:02.000 You're supposed to be forced to buy that insurance.

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00:08:34.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:08:38.000 Welcome to the Alex Jones Show on this Friday, December 5th, 2014.

00:08:42.000 I'm David Knight.

00:08:43.000 I'll be your host today, but joining me right now is Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

00:08:48.000 As I also point out, we're going to be talking today about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

00:08:51.000 There's an article up on New American saying that they are, the UN is saying that they're going to activate the treaty on December the 25th.

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00:09:01.000 They're going to assert control over all weapons, over all small arms, over ammunition, over parts, and they want a gun control registry in every country.

00:09:13.000 And of course, as Alex has pointed out, they're also looking to even disarm the police.

00:09:16.000 Isn't it a good idea with all the police brutality that we've seen, though, to have a monopoly With government, regardless of which government is, whether it's our federal government, our local government, or the UN, should any of them have a monopoly on force, that's why we recognized the right of citizens to defend themselves against criminals, against criminal governments.

00:09:37.000 That is a God-given right, recognized in our Constitution, but they don't really pay too much attention to the Constitution.

00:09:42.000 We've got Jerome Corsi, he's going to be joining us in the show today, later in the third hour.

00:09:47.000 He realized with his research, he's a researcher that goes down and looks at the original documents and the details, writing for WND, he noticed that this executive amnesty order that Obama put out there, that bypassed Congress, that just granted amnesty according to what they're saying, five million people, we don't know how many people are going to be getting amnesty because of course it's essentially an entitlement program as well as an inducement for people to come into this country illegally.

00:10:16.000 But this executive amnesty order from Obama was put out without his signature.

00:10:23.000 And he's talked and verified with the National Archives that they have not received any such order with a signature on it.

00:10:29.000 So we're going to talk in depth about that with Jerome Corsi.

00:10:33.000 And we've got Lionel coming back at the next segment, joining us.

00:10:38.000 Paul Joseph Watson wanted to ask him some questions.

00:10:40.000 I pretty much dominated the questions yesterday with Lionel, who is a talk show host out of New York.

00:10:46.000 He's there at the scene seeing what's happening as well as he has a very important legal background as a former prosecutor and defense attorney.

00:10:52.000 So we want to talk to him about the legal process and Paul Joseph Watson has some questions for him.

00:10:57.000 And Paul, you were contacted I understand by somebody that's a relative of Michael Brown.

00:11:03.000 Did you want to comment on that?

00:11:05.000 Yeah, this just happened about 30 minutes ago.

00:11:07.000 This is Ty Pruitt, who is Michael Brown's older cousin.

00:11:11.000 He contacted me, gave me his phone number, and in fact he's happy to appear on the show, so we can set that up.

00:11:17.000 And this was in response to a rant that I posted on Facebook.

00:11:22.000 Basically, it was off the cuff.

00:11:24.000 I was out jogging, decided to do a rant on my iPhone about what we talked about yesterday, which was not making the Michael Brown, the Eric Garner cases all about race, making them about Being focused on police brutality.

00:11:40.000 And the point I made was that we have a problem with violence.

00:11:43.000 Violence is the issue, not race.

00:11:46.000 Within the police community, the increased militarization of police forces, treating the American people as the enemy, has created this environment where violence is acceptable.

00:11:57.000 And as you see police officers being exonerated for their violence, it only encourages them more.

00:12:03.000 I also made the point that there's a problem with violence within the black community. 0.82

00:12:08.000 Because FBI crime statistics show that black people commit almost the same number of homicides as whites and Hispanics combined, even though they only make up 13% of the population. 0.96

00:12:21.000 And again, is that because of their skin colour? 0.92

00:12:23.000 It's because of numerous different factors, socio-economic as well as cultural.

00:12:23.000 No.

00:12:29.000 One of which, I pointed out in the video, is the fact that we have this rap-hip-hop culture which glamorises violence, which of course is promoted predominantly by white-owned entertainment companies, Sony Prime amongst them, we just saw the big hack. 0.56

00:12:46.000 Of Sony it emerged that, as expected, some ridiculous figure in the high 90% of their owners, the highest paid people in Sony, are white males, Caucasians, and of course their prime amongst the entertainment companies, the music companies, pushing this thug life culture which glamorizes violence. 0.64

00:13:05.000 So I made all those points in a two minute Facebook video rant.

00:13:10.000 I didn't even post it on the websites, but it got something ridiculous like 150,000 views, 5,000 shares.

00:13:17.000 And Ty Pruitt, Mike Brown's cousin, saw this and sent me a message about half an hour ago saying, Hey brother, this is Ty Pruitt, Mike Brown's older cousin.

00:13:27.000 And I've confirmed it's him, he's given other interviews to CNN.

00:13:30.000 I've been saying the same thing in my interviews.

00:13:33.000 And again, we haven't seen this.

00:13:35.000 The dominant factor that has emerged out of this is white privilege.

00:13:39.000 That was the top hashtag Twitter trend yesterday. 0.82

00:13:42.000 Um, criming while white.

00:13:44.000 It was basically white people confessing their guilt, having escaped police retribution for committing minor infractions.

00:13:53.000 So this was all made about race.

00:13:55.000 There were actual segregations of white people White people not being allowed to take part in the protests in Canada and in New York, they were pushed to the edges of the protest by these protest leaders because of their skin color, even though we're all on the same side, or should be, in opposing police brutality.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, that's real racism and that's manufactured racism, isn't it?

00:14:18.000 And Ty Pruitt, Mike Brown's older cousin, contacted me and said, I've been saying the same thing in my interviews and I'm working on waking black people up to the fact of that subject.

00:14:18.000 Exactly.

00:14:29.000 Great rant.

00:14:30.000 It's not about race, but keeping us apart gives them all the power. 0.88

00:14:35.000 So basically he's agreeing with me that By making it about race, we basically turn off half the population of the United States, which is put off by this race baiting, which has been the dominant theme pushed by the media in the aftermath of Ferguson and Eric Garner.

00:14:53.000 So, we're going to get him on the show and that's going to be a good interview.

00:14:56.000 And of course, making it about race, they're doing that by design because they don't want to have a discussion about excessive force by the police.

00:15:05.000 They don't want to have a discussion about the militarization of the police because it's the government that has been doing that.

00:15:10.000 It's the government that's been equipping the police, training the police to behave this way.

00:15:15.000 And so they don't want to have a discussion about that core issue.

00:15:17.000 They want to have a discussion about race.

00:15:19.000 Paul, I wanted to bring up this headline we have here on Infowars.com.

00:15:23.000 It's a story from the New York Daily News.

00:15:25.000 This was at the funeral of the 12-year-old boy who died this last weekend.

00:15:29.000 He had been shot twice in the chest.

00:15:31.000 He had a BB gun.

00:15:33.000 And at the funeral, the mother said, police officers are public servants, not James Bond with a license to kill.

00:15:42.000 And that really nailed it.

00:15:44.000 I'm so sad to see that.

00:15:46.000 One of the things that really bothers me about both this shooting and the one in Walmart, where you had the man with the, a young man with a BB gun that he was going to buy from Walmart.

00:15:56.000 He picked up their merchandise in his hand.

00:15:59.000 And you had somebody call the police and say, we've got a guy in the store with a gun pointing it at people.

00:16:04.000 So the police show up and treat it as if it's an active shooter, but they don't assess the situation they're professionals if somebody calls you up with a false report are you going to be their killer for them i mean are we going to have people who basically call in lies about people they don't like so they can have the cops kill them for them or the cops going to be trained professionals who come in and assess the situation instead of just coming in and shooting the guy and as you can see that the guy runs around the corner and just shoots him i don't know

00:16:33.000 And he's not pointing the gun at anybody, and they don't tell him to drop the gun either.

00:16:37.000 They just shoot first.

00:16:38.000 And so, when we see something like that happen, when we see something like what happened with this young boy, we've had a lot of people come back and say, you know, the problem is we need to ban toy guns.

00:16:48.000 That's not the problem.

00:16:49.000 Racism is not the problem.

00:16:50.000 Toy guns aren't the problem.

00:16:51.000 And they're trying to ban guns for everybody now with this U.N.

00:16:55.000 Arms Trade Treaty.

00:16:56.000 But that isn't the issue.

00:16:58.000 It's the force.

00:16:58.000 You know, even if our police don't have guns themselves, they can still choke people to death, as we saw with Eric Garner.

00:17:06.000 I mean, we've seen a spate of these incidents, more like a flood.

00:17:06.000 Well, exactly.

00:17:10.000 You know, kids with Nerf guns, water pistols, they shut down entire schools in these ridiculous stunts.

00:17:17.000 And you mentioned, again, the violence, the militarization.

00:17:21.000 If you go on YouTube and search police training, two of the top two videos that come up will illustrate this perfectly, and I'm going to make a video about this.

00:17:31.000 One's out of Austin, one's out of Rhode Island.

00:17:34.000 And it illustrates perfectly what we said yesterday.

00:17:37.000 These police are literally being given military training.

00:17:40.000 It shows them being lined up, screamed at by the police chief.

00:17:44.000 Basically, they're going on frog marches in military parades.

00:17:49.000 They're being trained to beat people up.

00:17:51.000 That's the primary focus of the training.

00:17:53.000 And obviously, You know, I would support police being physically active, keeping fit and learning self-defense.

00:18:00.000 Obviously, it's a dangerous job.

00:18:02.000 But all this training is about beating people up and from what you see on these videos, very little of it is about knowing the actual law.

00:18:11.000 Which then relates to this other story we've got on Infowars.com.

00:18:14.000 Man arrested for video recording on private property.

00:18:18.000 Video recording a cop.

00:18:20.000 And again, What we were talking about yesterday, the immediate rush to escalate the situation.

00:18:27.000 This clip is 48 seconds long because the cop in this instance, this is on private property, he's video recording the cop for his own safety, he's not being aggressive, he's kept well back, and yet instantly the cop rushes over to him and arrests him.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, in every single case where people get arrested for video recording police, it's thrown out.

00:18:49.000 Even the NYPD came out a few months ago and had to remind everybody that it's completely legal to film police officers and that it's not an arrestable offence.

00:18:59.000 Yet we see it happening over and over again.

00:19:01.000 And they've lost in court over and over and over again.

00:19:04.000 They tried to send a guy in Illinois to jail for like 75 years because he had recorded something.

00:19:10.000 They keep losing and yet they do this under color of law.

00:19:12.000 And that's what we're going to be talking about later in the show.

00:19:14.000 We're going to be talking about how Obama not only does he bypass Congress, but of course he doesn't even bother to sign his executive orders.

00:19:22.000 And they've got Congress saying they passed the new NDAA and somebody asked the Democrat, did you read it?

00:19:28.000 And he goes, are you kidding me?

00:19:30.000 I mean, they don't read the bills they sign.

00:19:31.000 He doesn't sign his edicts.

00:19:34.000 We are a lawless society.

00:19:36.000 We have police officers who don't know or don't care what the law is, and they're being hyper-militarized with this training.

00:19:42.000 We're about to go to break, but I want to tell everybody, if you didn't see the nightly news last night, Derek McBreen addressed this black and white issue.

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00:24:27.000 Paul Joseph Watson is joining me from the UK.

00:24:29.000 And we're joined in this segment with Lionel.

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00:24:33.000 We had a very good discussion.

00:24:33.000 If you didn't see that, that's available now on YouTube and archives as well as on our archives at Prison Planet TV for our subscribers.

00:24:42.000 If you want to see that, that's really good.

00:24:43.000 We're talking a lot about grand juries, but Paul wanted to talk to Lionel.

00:24:46.000 I kind of dominated the discussion, I guess, and didn't give Paul enough chance to talk to Lionel, so he had some questions for Lionel.

00:24:53.000 So, Paul, you there?

00:24:55.000 Yeah.

00:24:55.000 Hey, I think we've got Lionel.

00:24:57.000 Do we have Lionel guys on the line?

00:24:58.000 Yes, good.

00:24:59.000 Okay, we got him on the line.

00:25:00.000 Go for it, Paul.

00:25:02.000 Yeah, I just wanted to get Lionel's take on how the media reacted to the Ferguson riots because I was thinking of the situation, you know, imagine if back in April Clive and Bundy had been shot by cops during that standoff and white people or Clive and Bundy supporters in general had reacted by looting and burning down buildings bearing in mind We had Obama meeting with the Ferguson leaders.

00:25:31.000 We've got an article on Infowars.com right now.

00:25:33.000 Ferguson activists who met Obama face as assault charges.

00:25:37.000 He basically assaulted a security guard as he tried to get into City Hall in St.

00:25:42.000 Louis.

00:25:43.000 So we had Obama meeting with these people.

00:25:46.000 We had Time Magazine legitimizing the riots, the looting, the burning down of buildings.

00:25:52.000 Now, I don't think the media reaction would have been In the same context, if that situation was reversed and somebody like Clive and Bundy had been shot and his supporters had reacted in the same way that some of the people in Ferguson did.

00:26:08.000 So, Lionel, I mean, you're a prosecutor but obviously you also study media narratives, so what's your take on what I just said there?

00:26:16.000 Well, I have been in the media, and Paul, let me just say something to you, sir.

00:26:22.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:26:25.000 How dare you bring up discrepancies and disparities in the way the media and society and the law deal with black and white issues! 0.59

00:26:36.000 Don't you understand that we can talk about black issues, but not black and white issues?

00:26:41.000 Unless the white issue is an indictment.

00:26:44.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:26:46.000 That's the reaction.

00:26:48.000 You know, Paul, you and David, but Paul in particular, I believe, brought up the notion of there is an inherent systemic problem with this mentality of a lot of police departments that push this militarization.

00:27:04.000 Let me give you an example.

00:27:06.000 Imagine a new couple goes to a child-rearing class.

00:27:11.000 Brand new parents.

00:27:13.000 And the first thing out of the instructor's mouth is, how to discipline a child.

00:27:17.000 How to spank a child and not leave a mark. 1.00

00:27:19.000 One spanking is appropriate. 0.99

00:27:21.000 How to spank... 0.96

00:27:23.000 Guess what those parents are going to do? 1.00

00:27:25.000 Spank! 1.00

00:27:27.000 It's this mentality of the police department.

00:27:32.000 It's this idea that civilians are the enemy.

00:27:37.000 I submit that's the problem. 0.97

00:27:40.000 Not that black defendants are. 0.99

00:27:43.000 I forgot this crimy while white. 0.97

00:27:45.000 So there is this inherent tutorial That's part of it.

00:27:51.000 But Paul, don't you understand when you post these reviews, these scholarly approaches, pointing out the discrepancies and how black violence versus white really isn't true? 0.98

00:28:06.000 You're actually a crypto racist! 0.99

00:28:10.000 No, I've got death threats over it. 0.99

00:28:15.000 Because you told the truth.

00:28:17.000 Listen, Gentlemen, let me see if I can break this down. 1.00

00:28:22.000 People are stupid. 1.00

00:28:25.000 They're not smart. 1.00

00:28:28.000 They're dense.

00:28:30.000 You have to be able to handle nuance.

00:28:32.000 You have to be able to handle years ago, there was a guy on Ed Sullivan, this guy with a stick who would spin the plate and another plate and another plate.

00:28:41.000 And he had four or five plates going at the same time.

00:28:44.000 We can't do that.

00:28:45.000 This is the American discussion.

00:28:48.000 Hands up, or I can't breathe, or something along those lines.

00:28:56.000 That is it.

00:28:57.000 Focus, microscopic, don't look at any other issues.

00:29:02.000 We're not interested in critical thinking.

00:29:05.000 No, no, no, no.

00:29:06.000 It's this one aspect.

00:29:08.000 I, let me tell you what it was like last night in New York.

00:29:12.000 I have never, ever seen anything like this.

00:29:17.000 I'm not talking about a pocket full of protesters here.

00:29:22.000 West Side Highway, Brooklyn Bridge, Grand Central, and I don't mean a couple of stragglers, Times Square.

00:29:30.000 It was huge, big, organized.

00:29:35.000 I hear the music.

00:29:36.000 Yes, hang on, we're going to be right back.

00:29:38.000 We're talking to Lionel, we also have Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

00:29:42.000 Stay with us, we're talking again about what's going on in New York, what's happening with police brutality.

00:29:47.000 Are we going to have a discussion of the real issues, or are we going to let them distract us with this red herring of racism?

00:29:54.000 Stay with us.

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00:33:50.000 And we're talking about excessive police force.

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00:35:16.000 Let's go back to this discussion as we were talking about how they're using racism to throw people off the track.

00:35:16.000 Eastern.

00:35:22.000 I think it's really, excuse me, very much like a red herring.

00:35:28.000 And of course, Paul can correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the UK they banned, I believe, fox hunting now.

00:35:34.000 But before they did that, the people who didn't like fox hunting would throw the dogs off of the trail by taking a particularly smelly fish, a red herring, and dragging it behind the trail of the fox.

00:35:48.000 So once the dogs hit that spot, that was it.

00:35:52.000 They were done.

00:35:53.000 And so now we've got this particularly stinky thing that we've got a long history about, racism, and they trot that out every time to get us off of the trail of the real fox, which is excessive use of force, the way they're training the police, the rules of engagement that they're giving them, even having them call us civilians.

00:36:11.000 And of course, that's something that's been programmed for a very long time.

00:36:14.000 Even going back to Dirty Harry movie, that's the first time I noticed it.

00:36:18.000 I was in a Dirty Harry movie when I was a kid, calling people civilians.

00:36:21.000 I thought that's kind of funny, but it's not funny anymore.

00:36:24.000 I'm not laughing now.

00:36:25.000 Gentlemen, go ahead.

00:36:26.000 I'll let you ask any follow-up questions, Paul.

00:36:29.000 Yeah, I was just going to ask, obviously yesterday we covered the Garner case mainly, which, you know, I saw as a travesty of justice.

00:36:37.000 I was called a cop hater for that.

00:36:39.000 You know, lost friends over that.

00:36:41.000 Lost friends over supporting the grand jury decision in the Brown case, got death threats over it.

00:36:47.000 Because I looked at the evidence that was publicly available, the three autopsies, the eyewitness reports, the eyewitnesses that changed their statements after the autopsies came out, which I thought was crucial, and the threatening behaviour towards eyewitnesses before the grand jury investigation even began that came out in the police reports.

00:37:08.000 So I just wanted Lionel, from his legal perspective, To break down from the evidence that's available and ask him if he agreed with the conclusion of the grand jury in the Michael Brown case.

00:37:20.000 Let me ask you something, Paul.

00:37:21.000 Do you believe racism exists anywhere on the planet?

00:37:24.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:37:25.000 Good.

00:37:26.000 If you answered no to that, that's a problem.

00:37:30.000 Number two, do you think the case of espionage Would make sense in the Michael Brown case or in the Eric Garner case.

00:37:39.000 Espionage.

00:37:40.000 Charging the officers, Darren Wilson and Pantaleo, with espionage.

00:37:45.000 Do you think that charge makes sense?

00:37:47.000 Doesn't make sense to me. 1.00

00:37:48.000 You're a racist. 1.00

00:37:49.000 You're a racist. 1.00

00:37:50.000 You see, you say espionage, people would say, no, that's ridiculous because there's no evidence of espionage. 0.99

00:37:56.000 That's not the right charge.

00:38:00.000 That's what this is about.

00:38:01.000 So what you're doing is you're saying, I'm not saying there's no racism.

00:38:04.000 I'm not saying the Michael Brown case was handled correctly.

00:38:07.000 Now, let's change forums, Paul.

00:38:11.000 Let's have a civil case, a civil jury.

00:38:14.000 Now, we're looking at whether money damages should be awarded to the Michael Brown family or the Eric Garner family based upon police negligence.

00:38:25.000 What would you say about that?

00:38:28.000 I would say that's more reasonable, but given the fact that this civil case in the Trayvon Martin example remains open and seems to be going nowhere, it seems the federal government isn't that interested in pursuing it, either in the Trayvon Martin case or the Brown case.

00:38:44.000 Now the civil case, in our system, as you know, for example, in this case, you have a number of different tribunals.

00:38:51.000 Let's take Eric Garner.

00:38:53.000 One, the state of New York In Staten Island, Richmond County, can bring a criminal case.

00:39:02.000 People of the state of New York versus Officer Pantaleo.

00:39:07.000 Okay, that's a criminal charge.

00:39:09.000 That's a first form.

00:39:11.000 Another possibility is the family.

00:39:15.000 Remember, the state of New York versus, in a civil case, it's the family of Eric Garner versus Officer Pantaleo, the city of New York, the state of New York, whatever.

00:39:28.000 For money damages.

00:39:30.000 The plaintiff is the family seeking money damages.

00:39:34.000 In a criminal case, the plaintiff, in essence, is the state seeking justice or incarceration.

00:39:40.000 Third tribunal, third possibility.

00:39:43.000 An administrative hearing, which we don't hear about.

00:39:46.000 Officer Pantaleo in the Eric Garner case may be bounced from the roles of the New York City Police Department because he violated a rule and an administrative rule they had about, quote, chokeholds, which I submit it wasn't.

00:40:01.000 And I guess I'm a racist, too.

00:40:03.000 Next tribunal.

00:40:05.000 The United States government The people of the United States versus Officer Parentaleo for denying Eric Garner's civil rights.

00:40:20.000 That's really tough because it would have to be evidence that Officer Pantaleo showed or indicated a racial animus.

00:40:30.000 If he said, for example, I'm going to choke that, whatever.

00:40:35.000 That may help.

00:40:36.000 So do we understand four perhaps different tribunals, same death, four separate ways of handling it?

00:40:46.000 In the criminal case, Paul and David, let me ask you this.

00:40:51.000 What should Officer Pantaleo have done?

00:40:55.000 This is Eric Garner.

00:40:57.000 In a case where he has been, people of Staten Island called the police and said, listen, this guy Eric Garner, and by the way, have you noticed that whenever you talk about Eric Garner, you always have to say, it's a tragedy.

00:41:11.000 It's a tragedy.

00:41:12.000 Sorry that he died.

00:41:13.000 As though you have to say this incantation.

00:41:16.000 Of course it's a tragedy.

00:41:19.000 But people called the cops and said, hey, I'm a taxpayer.

00:41:24.000 This guy's back peddling cigarettes.

00:41:27.000 It's not the crime of the century.

00:41:29.000 Get rid of him, NYPD.

00:41:32.000 Do your job.

00:41:33.000 All right, David, Paul, we're all in the police car.

00:41:37.000 We're summoned.

00:41:37.000 What do we do?

00:41:39.000 No.

00:41:40.000 Tell those shop owners, this is chicken stuff.

00:41:44.000 That's not an important charge.

00:41:46.000 We're not interested.

00:41:47.000 Even though he's been arrested, I don't know how many times in the past.

00:41:50.000 And even though store owners are saying, this guy's intimidating people.

00:41:54.000 OK, so we show up.

00:41:57.000 In this scenario, Paul goes over to Eric Garner, this hulking behemoth, and says, all right, that's it.

00:42:04.000 You're under arrest.

00:42:06.000 David and I are your partners.

00:42:09.000 I look at David and I say, I don't think I'm going to help Paul out in this one.

00:42:13.000 He's on his own.

00:42:15.000 And this Eric Garner, very large man, says, I'm not going to.

00:42:19.000 No, no, no.

00:42:21.000 I'm not.

00:42:21.000 I'm not going or I want to talk about this or whatever.

00:42:25.000 Every rule in the police department, in the police academy says we have to protect you, Officer Paul, partner, associate.

00:42:37.000 We've got to contain this situation.

00:42:39.000 We don't let arrestees negotiate.

00:42:43.000 We don't do that.

00:42:44.000 And if you don't like that, you're living in another world.

00:42:48.000 That's the way it's been since time immemorial.

00:42:51.000 There's an old expression.

00:42:53.000 And I talk about it on my Twitter, at Lionel Media.

00:42:55.000 I've said this a million times.

00:42:56.000 You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.

00:43:01.000 Gentlemen, what should this officer have done?

00:43:04.000 Not helped out?

00:43:06.000 Not try to bring this man down?

00:43:10.000 Convince him?

00:43:11.000 What?

00:43:12.000 Well I think the issue is not that they arrested him over a trivial nonsense law that I don't agree with, but nevertheless he was breaking the law, they had the duty to arrest him, they had the duty to protect the fellow officers, but when they Have him down on the ground.

00:43:29.000 It doesn't appear that their life is in danger.

00:43:31.000 And he's telling them he can't breathe, and they're standing on his head.

00:43:35.000 To me, that looks like what they did to Kelly Thomas, where they beat him to death over a long period of time.

00:43:40.000 He might have been somebody that needed to be arrested because he was a mental case, but to do that to somebody, that says there's something else going on. 0.98

00:43:48.000 When somebody breaks into my house, I can shoot them if they're coming at me, but if they're running away, I don't have the right to shoot them in the back. 0.58

00:43:54.000 Kelly Thomas, the schizophrenic homeless man who was beaten, is different because they weren't beating him. 0.57

00:44:00.000 Now, in this case, we look at this video, by the way, jump cuts and edited parts removed.

00:44:06.000 If we look at this, I might say, you know what?

00:44:09.000 Boy, that is not good policing.

00:44:13.000 Let's all agree, members of the jury.

00:44:15.000 Next question.

00:44:15.000 Great.

00:44:16.000 Is this murder?

00:44:18.000 Is this homicide?

00:44:19.000 Negligent homicide?

00:44:21.000 Culpable negligence?

00:44:23.000 Let's assume that Officer Pantaleo, because remember, the facts are what dictate this.

00:44:30.000 Not racism in the history of the country, but the facts of the case.

00:44:35.000 In this grand jury, Whether it was loaded, whether it was it was fixed, whatever.

00:44:43.000 Officer Pantaleo stated, I either didn't hear or didn't intend to kill.

00:44:49.000 I was trying perhaps on the world's worst restrainer.

00:44:54.000 He's bigger than I am. 0.98

00:44:56.000 I suck at this. 0.99

00:44:58.000 I never intended to kill. 0.98

00:45:00.000 Whereas, when you beat somebody repeatedly, until they're in a coma, you'd be hard-pressed to say, that was an accident.

00:45:08.000 Or if you shoot somebody, like Gil Collar, or Dylan Taylor, or Godot, or George, or Michael Brown.

00:45:16.000 Yeah, they all got off.

00:45:18.000 Even when they kept beating Kelly Thomas, they still got off.

00:45:21.000 They still, you know.

00:45:22.000 Well see, and there were no riots.

00:45:24.000 So what I'm saying is that, I would say, ladies and gentlemen, we have exhausted Tribunal No.

00:45:33.000 1, criminal.

00:45:34.000 Now, let's go to the second one, a lawsuit for $75 million.

00:45:41.000 I call as my first witness, I represent the family now.

00:45:45.000 I call as my first witness, Paul Joseph Watson, police training expert.

00:45:51.000 Mr. Watson, based upon your experience and your observation of the officer, Did you form an opinion as to whether he was negligent?

00:46:01.000 Did he violate the accepted standard of care in policing?

00:46:06.000 Absolutely.

00:46:08.000 What is your opinion, Mr. Watson?

00:46:09.000 This is the most negligent, the worst fine.

00:46:14.000 That's it.

00:46:15.000 Because we have just overcome the slight preponderance of the evidence burden.

00:46:22.000 And we have just won $75 million.

00:46:26.000 That's not criminal.

00:46:28.000 That's civil.

00:46:29.000 So, depending upon which forum, and I hate to keep being, I don't want to sound pedantic here, but there were wrongdoings.

00:46:38.000 Now, let me ask you, Paul and David, did you see anything that indicated that Mr. Garner was the topic or the subject or the target of prosecution because he was black?

00:46:53.000 Do we know of any?

00:46:54.000 Maybe there was and we don't know this.

00:46:56.000 Were any racial statements made?

00:46:59.000 Is there anything to indicate that his civil rights specifically, not that he was arrested or arrested poorly, but that he was targeted because of his rights?

00:47:10.000 Do we have anything?

00:47:13.000 No, I don't think so.

00:47:14.000 I think he was targeted because he was doing something that you're not going to find most people who are not poor.

00:47:21.000 I think it was really more of an issue of him being poor and thinking he's going to do something that's in a black market area to try to do this.

00:47:26.000 But, you know, when you're talking about civil suits, let me ask you this, Lionel.

00:47:31.000 There doesn't seem to be any penalty involved for the police individuals in these cases, certainly not for the police department.

00:47:39.000 You know, if they win a $75 million lawsuit, as you pointed out, that gets passed along to the taxpayers.

00:47:46.000 Just like you said yesterday, in some states there's an automatic indictment for some crimes.

00:47:52.000 If it's a felony, they don't even need to have a grand jury.

00:47:54.000 They're going to have a trial.

00:47:56.000 I think that was a great idea.

00:47:57.000 I think that's something that would be a good reform that we immediately, if there's a death involved with police, it ought to automatically go to a trial.

00:48:06.000 But when we have a civil case and there's money taken out, It seems to me if we're going to try to achieve some kind of systemic reform, there has to be a penalty that the system pays, that the police department has something taken out of their budget, at least a huge percentage of that fine that's going to come out comes out of the police department budget or something like that to try to make them reform, put some pressure on them.

00:48:28.000 That, now, that would be interesting.

00:48:29.000 If you said, for example, okay, members of the Garner family, what would you like?

00:48:36.000 $75 million from the public treasury?

00:48:39.000 No.

00:48:40.000 I want 75% of the overtime budget To be, you know, that would get people's attention.

00:48:49.000 That's a that's a different one.

00:48:51.000 Yes.

00:48:52.000 It's very interesting.

00:48:53.000 But in this case, though, let's go back.

00:48:56.000 There was a police officer years ago, Officer Francis Lavodi, who did federal time because he basically went and choked out this guy who gave him some lip.

00:49:06.000 And it wasn't an arrest.

00:49:07.000 It was I mean, it happens.

00:49:09.000 So what I'm saying right now is, once this meme gets started, once we look at this case, people will say, this will have to be our Case, our case, we're going to make all the changes on.

00:49:24.000 I kind of alluded to something last night.

00:49:27.000 I've never heard or seen the amount of helicopters and drones.

00:49:32.000 I don't know if I'm seeing things, but we saw some stuff flying around that was most unique.

00:49:39.000 Now, tonight is going to be probably the last night.

00:49:44.000 before the weekend and the police knock on something have been very good and not losing it you know and and and the then the protesters as well but here is my all my question and paul i'm going to tell you right now i might be a racist as well for what i'm going to suggest in the 60s when you saw dr king and when you saw uh jesse jackson the younger and and others get together they made specific plans They had an agenda.

00:50:13.000 They had goals.

00:50:15.000 While we see people showing protests all over the country, what is your goal?

00:50:22.000 What do you want?

00:50:24.000 Don't say, stop killing unarmed people.

00:50:27.000 That's generic.

00:50:28.000 What do you want?

00:50:29.000 The first thing that we must very simply do, all of us, write this on your, and I mentioned this at Lionel Media on Twitter.

00:50:37.000 I mentioned this.

00:50:39.000 Wonderful hashtags.

00:50:41.000 Mandate a special prosecutor every time there is a cop killing of a civilian.

00:50:49.000 Take the prosecutor from someplace else who can do this without fear of reprisal.

00:50:55.000 Excellent idea.

00:50:56.000 I think that's the key.

00:50:57.000 People get frustrated with this.

00:50:58.000 If they don't have any goals when they protest, they just get even more frustrated.

00:51:03.000 And then, of course, you're going to have some people who use it as an opportunity to go kick the cat.

00:51:07.000 We're going to be right back with Lionel and Paul Joseph Watson.

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00:54:10.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

00:54:23.000 We have Paul Joseph Watson in the UK joining us in this last segment, and also Lionel in New York.

00:54:29.000 And I've had several people hand this, come through and hand this to me, so I need to point this out.

00:54:35.000 There's an article that's up on Infowars.com.

00:54:37.000 The entire racism narrative that we've been talking about, how they've spun this away from what really needs to be talked about, which is how do we reform the way the police are conducting themselves towards the public.

00:54:48.000 That entire racism narrative is put in to stop that discussion.

00:54:51.000 But that falls apart when you look at the fact that what happened to Eric Garner was supervised by an African-American female New York City Police Department sergeant.

00:55:02.000 Had no problem with that happening.

00:55:03.000 So Obama's solutions of cameras to record everything, that's not going to change anything.

00:55:08.000 Obama's solution of having racial quotas in police departments that are mandated or controlled from Washington, that's not going to change anything.

00:55:17.000 But I want to go back to Lionel while we've got him.

00:55:19.000 Lionel, there was also another police shooting just this last weekend.

00:55:22.000 Of course, Mr. Gurley, who was killed in the projects, there were two cops, a veteran cop and a rookie cop, doing a top-down patrol in a project building.

00:55:32.000 The rookie cop had his gun out as Mr. Gurley and his girlfriend entered the stairwell.

00:55:37.000 They got tired of waiting for the elevator.

00:55:39.000 The rookie cop shot him, from testimony that's come out so far, without warning, shot him in the chest, and it sounds like they left without calling for emergency help.

00:55:50.000 So there were some protests on Monday.

00:55:52.000 We had some people who threw some fake blood on the police commissioner.

00:55:55.000 I'm sure that's a factor in these demonstrations that are going on in New York now as well.

00:55:59.000 Yes, in fact, there was also today's Daily News had a piece in which they suggested that one of the police officers, or the shooter perhaps, again, alleged shooters, allegedly did this, but might have been on the phone texting his union rep rather than calling for emergency backup.

00:56:16.000 Wow.

00:56:17.000 Now that's also, this goes to show you, so is that racism?

00:56:21.000 Is that incompetence?

00:56:23.000 You know, one of the problems I have to understand is, you know, Paul and David, When you are assigned to a particular area as a police officer, where there are more drugs, there is more crime, there is more robbery.

00:56:42.000 Now hear me out.

00:56:43.000 In an area, a sector, I don't know what you call it in the UK, Paul, but a precinct or a city or a unit area, a particular locale, and we're going to go in there.

00:56:57.000 And I tell you, by the way, we're going into this new place.

00:56:59.000 It's in Kensington.

00:57:01.000 I don't even know the name.

00:57:02.000 And there's more robberies and rapes and drugs and whatever.

00:57:06.000 What can you tell me about that place?

00:57:08.000 Is that going to be an affluent place based upon the number of crimes reported?

00:57:12.000 Or is there going to be a poor place?

00:57:14.000 What do you think, based upon the statistics, without even stepping foot in that area?

00:57:21.000 What would you guess?

00:57:23.000 Well, I mean, that's the point that many prominent black speakers have made, that the 911 calls are coming from the crime-ridden areas, obviously, so that's where police need to go. 0.99

00:57:34.000 That's where they're called out, that's where they're gonna go.

00:57:36.000 So! 0.81

00:57:38.000 Why do you think, and let's assume they're poor, people of color, African-Americans, Latino, not Park Avenue, not, you know, whatever, Beverly Hills or whatever the particular.

00:57:51.000 Now, if that's the truth, so isn't the issue, well, why are black people or poor people or Latino people living in such areas? 0.78

00:58:02.000 Why is there so much crime there?

00:58:05.000 To begin with, before the police even enter this, why is that?

00:58:10.000 So, I hate to believe in the point, but this goes back into dissecting your argument.

00:58:16.000 If we're tonight going to patrol New York or Austin or London or wherever it is, the majority of our calls, I guarantee you are going to come from the place where there's most crime and they tend to be poorer.

00:58:32.000 So that means that our interaction with the poor, by definition, is going to be greater than our interaction with the high and mighty.

00:58:41.000 Does that mean we're racist?

00:58:43.000 We're going to have to leave it with that rhetorical question, Lionel.

00:58:46.000 Thank you so much for joining us from New York and Paul Joseph Watson from London.

00:58:49.000 Stay with us, we're going to come back at the top of the hour with Joe Wolverton from The New American talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

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01:00:31.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:38.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:40.000 I'm David Knight, your host today on this Friday, December 4th, 2014.

01:00:42.000 Now in the next segment, we're going to be joined by writer Joe Wolverton from the New American, talking about the U.N.

01:00:50.000 Arms Trade Treaty that they say they're going to put into effect on Christmas Eve.

01:00:56.000 So we're going to have a discussion with him about that.

01:00:58.000 What's behind that?

01:00:59.000 How we should react to that.

01:01:01.000 Because, of course, a treaty that violates the Constitution should not be a treaty that is in effect.

01:01:08.000 We don't have dictators who have authority over the Constitution. 0.95

01:01:13.000 They swear allegiance to the Constitution.

01:01:15.000 The Constitution, if you will, is the king.

01:01:18.000 The law is the king.

01:01:19.000 That particular law is the king.

01:01:21.000 They are merely stewards who come and go.

01:01:23.000 So they do not have the right to appoint another king when they do.

01:01:27.000 That's a treasonous act.

01:01:29.000 But of course, we see them do things under current law all of the time.

01:01:33.000 And so it's very worrying.

01:01:34.000 I mean, of course, we've got Obama who does a blanket amnesty on immigration.

01:01:39.000 And says that he's going to do things in the environmental area and Republicans aren't going to be able to stop him even with their bigger majorities.

01:01:48.000 So he is intimidating them and intimating that he is going to pursue executive orders in many areas in these last two years where he doesn't have to stand for re-election.

01:02:01.000 So that brings up a big question and what is it?

01:02:05.000 What are the laws based on?

01:02:07.000 How are we going to pull these guys back who are acting criminally, who are acting outside the law?

01:02:11.000 And of course, we've got Jerome Corsi joining us in the third hour, looking at Obama's executive order and finding out that he didn't even bother to sign it.

01:02:19.000 Not only did he bypass Congress, but he creates this edict.

01:02:23.000 And doesn't even bother to sign it.

01:02:26.000 That's how contemptuous he is of any legal process.

01:02:29.000 We truly do have a dictator and a banana republic with nuclear weapons.

01:02:35.000 It's a very dangerous situation.

01:02:37.000 And that kind of corruption has found its way, that kind of lawlessness has found its way all the way down into the excessive use of force, the rules of engagement, if you will, the militarization of the police.

01:02:50.000 The fact that they don't care whether or not you have a right to record them in public.

01:02:56.000 They have over and over again continue to arrest people even though it has been held up in court after court that yes of course we do have the right to film in public.

01:03:06.000 There's no expectation they watch everything we do.

01:03:09.000 Now speaking of watching everything we do we have a Kit Daniels article up about Google.

01:03:15.000 Julian Assange, who watches them very closely, watches what's happening on the internet, he believes that Google is going to back Hillary Clinton for president in 2016.

01:03:24.000 That's an article up on Infowars.com right now from Kit Daniels.

01:03:29.000 And it's interesting to look at some of the politics here that's going on.

01:03:33.000 Hillary Clinton had this video of a cowboy They're portraying this as if she's trying to go for the male vote. 0.64

01:03:43.000 I mean, this is like a country-western video with all the clues in there, the pickup trucks, the rural setting, this guy with a beard and a cowboy hat, singing and talking about, you know, this is one of her commercials that they're putting out there.

01:03:58.000 And as I point out, it's kind of cringeworthy.

01:04:00.000 And I'm thinking, is that really going to get her support among men?

01:04:06.000 They can't really be that clueless.

01:04:09.000 And as I started to think about it, I thought, I don't think that's really targeted towards men.

01:04:14.000 I think that's really targeted still towards her feminist base.

01:04:19.000 I think she's putting something out there that these urban liberal feminists really want a cowboy boy toy. 1.00

01:04:26.000 I think that's my bottom line.

01:04:28.000 So we'll see what you guys think about that, because we'll be taking some of your calls in the third hour.

01:04:32.000 Also, we've got a runoff coming up in Louisiana.

01:04:35.000 Senator Mary Landrieu is the senator there.

01:04:37.000 Looks like she's not going to win, as the New York Times puts it very well, I think.

01:04:41.000 Her Democrat base has eroded like a cheap levy.

01:04:45.000 Yeah, I see that happening.

01:04:48.000 But we're going to be right back after the break.

01:04:50.000 We're going to be talking to Joe Wolverton from The New American about this U.N.

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01:08:21.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:08:28.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

01:08:30.000 At the bottom of the hour, we're going to be joined with Joe Wolverton from the New American.

01:08:35.000 We're going to be talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

01:08:37.000 We're going to be talking about not only the scope of it, but also the legality of it, what we can do to push back against it.

01:08:46.000 And this is something that's been developed for a long time.

01:08:49.000 They've been trying to sneak this in.

01:08:50.000 I was involved with a gun rights group, and I was there in July of 2012, when they were trying to push this through.

01:08:58.000 And of course, in the lead up to that, we had the Aurora shooting.

01:09:03.000 And that just had false flag all over it.

01:09:06.000 I mean, when you've got a guy who has basically been deeply embedded in psychological studies funded by the U.S.

01:09:13.000 government, and somehow, all of a sudden, a guy with no experience whatsoever with weapons has rigged his house like a Navy SEAL.

01:09:22.000 They find him after the shooting in kind of this spaced-out state next to his car, and he tells him, my place is rigged, is booby-trapped or whatever.

01:09:33.000 If he was going to do that, why would he warn them about that?

01:09:35.000 And of course, the shooter, or as we heard some people believe, there were multiple shooters, got in through a side door that was kind of jacked open into the theater.

01:09:44.000 There was just so many suspicious things about that.

01:09:47.000 And you know what?

01:09:48.000 That narrative wasn't working.

01:09:50.000 When I was there in July, the UN knew they were not going to be able to get this passed.

01:09:54.000 They couldn't sell this to the public.

01:09:55.000 There was a huge pushback.

01:09:57.000 People were even more adamant that even if they were going to buy this narrative that was being sold to them about this lone wolf crazy shooter, they wanted guns to protect themselves.

01:10:08.000 So it wasn't working.

01:10:10.000 They said, we're going to wait until after the American elections.

01:10:13.000 That November 4th, They came back and said as soon as it was evident that the Democrats had picked up seats in the Senate, they came back and said we're going to revisit this next year after the new senators are seated.

01:10:32.000 Which in fact they did.

01:10:33.000 They still did not get it passed, but they had John Kerry, Secretary of State, sign it.

01:10:40.000 Now, what difference does that make?

01:10:42.000 A treaty has to be ratified by the Senate, and a treaty cannot conflict with the Constitution, or with our fundamental God-given rights.

01:10:51.000 And I think that's one of the points that Joe Wolverton is going to talk about.

01:10:55.000 We're going to talk about the scope of this, what it's going to mean if we allow this to go through.

01:10:59.000 And of course, we're going to be talking in the third hour to Jerome Corsi, because he discovered The amnesty edict that came from our dictator Obama was not even signed.

01:11:11.000 That's why I say he's a dictator.

01:11:12.000 You understand that dictator comes from the Latin to speak, right?

01:11:16.000 In other words, the law is in his mouth.

01:11:19.000 The law is whatever he says.

01:11:20.000 He doesn't need a Congress.

01:11:22.000 He doesn't even need to sign his executive order.

01:11:24.000 He just makes the pronouncement and lets people implement it.

01:11:28.000 And of course there's some discussion as to what's his motivation behind that.

01:11:31.000 Is he trying to Distance himself from impeachment?

01:11:35.000 Allow Jay Johnson at the Department of Homeland Security to take the heat for this illegal action?

01:11:41.000 Well, I don't know.

01:11:42.000 We'll talk to Jerome Corsi.

01:11:43.000 We'll get his take on it.

01:11:45.000 Looking at some of the news today, as I mentioned, we've got a story up from Kit Daniels.

01:11:50.000 Julian Assange believes that Hillary Clinton is going to be backed by Google.

01:11:54.000 He points out that Google has very strong ties to Clinton.

01:11:57.000 And, of course, these are people who have looked at a lot of emails.

01:12:00.000 I really would like to see who Who Guccifer thinks is going to be the next president, because he's the guy that's been reading their private email going back and forth, and he's had some interesting takes that have come out of that.

01:12:14.000 As I mentioned in the first hour, there was an interesting story, and I got to it right at the end of the segment, as we're going to break.

01:12:21.000 Didn't have much time to talk about it.

01:12:23.000 The state of Utah has ordered an insurance company startup to raise their prices Because their competitors are not being treated fairly.

01:12:31.000 In other words, they've got competitive prices out there and the insurance that they're putting out there.

01:12:34.000 I thought that was the whole point of the affordable health care, right?

01:12:37.000 Wasn't that the whole point?

01:12:38.000 You know, we were told when Hillary Clinton was trying to shove health care down our throats as an unelected first lady, she said, you know, the problem with rising prices is we've got too much competition. 1.00

01:12:50.000 We need to have a single payer system to get the price down. 0.73

01:12:52.000 Now that's exactly, works exactly the opposite, doesn't it?

01:12:54.000 Well, now here's the rationale that Utah has.

01:12:57.000 They say that a Utah regulator says that offering free access to the website of this insurance company violates state insurance laws, which makes it legal illegal for companies to offer inducements to purchase insurance.

01:13:11.000 They never really wanted you to look at the Obamacare website, the affordable health care website.

01:13:18.000 They never wanted you to look at that.

01:13:20.000 They don't want you to understand what's going on.

01:13:23.000 Gruber's made that apparently evidently clear.

01:13:26.000 As I said before, we ought to Make it a verb to gruber something, to torture the data so that you can deceive.

01:13:33.000 We ought to call that grubering.

01:13:34.000 We can use that in a lot of different ways.

01:13:36.000 Make the guy a verb.

01:13:37.000 But here you've got a situation where state legislators are saying, no, no, no, don't give people to your website.

01:13:42.000 Give free access to your website.

01:13:44.000 They could actually shop and look.

01:13:46.000 And you're offering lower prices than your competitors.

01:13:49.000 See, this was never designed to get us affordable health care.

01:13:54.000 This was designed to mandate that the public buy insurance that they don't...

01:14:00.000 I can't afford and don't need from the insurance companies.

01:14:04.000 This was a handoff to the insurance companies.

01:14:06.000 This was never for you.

01:14:08.000 And one of the things that points us out, I think, is in this YouTube thing, they say you cannot offer inducements to purchase insurance.

01:14:14.000 You can't let people look at the insurance rates.

01:14:18.000 So regulators say that Zenefits, that's the company, is giving away access to its website, and that's unfair to other insurance brokers.

01:14:25.000 And they're also offering lower prices.

01:14:27.000 We can't have that happen.

01:14:30.000 They're trying to make health care unaffordable. 0.96

01:14:32.000 They're trying to make profits for the corporate insurance companies.

01:14:36.000 That's why they don't want you to be able to look at the insurance prices on the website that they put out there.

01:14:41.000 That's why they don't want you to look at it in Utah.

01:14:44.000 It's the state, it's also the feds. 0.95

01:14:46.000 And then of course there's this quote from Sebelius out here.

01:14:49.000 Americans don't like Obamacare because their financial literacy is low.

01:14:54.000 Gruber was telling us that he was taking advantage of people's financial illiteracy.

01:14:54.000 No.

01:14:59.000 He was saying they don't understand that if we tax the, if we add fees at the corporate level, they're not going to understand this stuff.

01:15:05.000 They were using people's financial ignorance to sell Obamacare.

01:15:09.000 That's what it was all about from the very beginning.

01:15:11.000 When you have Hillary Clinton making pronouncements like she did 20 years ago, saying that we can't have competition. 0.99

01:15:18.000 That's causing healthcare to be too expensive.

01:15:21.000 We can't have so many doctors out there because that raises the price of doctors. 0.99

01:15:25.000 I don't care what it is, whether it's widgets or whether it's brain surgeons, if you've got more of them out there, unless they organize themselves into some kind of a monopoly using the government, that's how monopolies always operate, they always get the government to come in and give them a monopoly.

01:15:40.000 Here's another example of that.

01:15:42.000 We've got the Small Business Administration that is supposed to help to level the playing field for small businesses Do you think that the American government is really going to do that?

01:15:55.000 Do you think the Small Business Administration is really interested in helping small businesses or are they interested in helping the big businesses?

01:16:05.000 In interviews, on the nightly news, I've talked to someone who's made this point.

01:16:09.000 He's filed lawsuits against them.

01:16:13.000 He's exposed this over and over again.

01:16:14.000 Here's the stat from this article here from David Stockman's website.

01:16:21.000 In 2009, the top ten lending institutions swallowed up roughly one quarter of all the SBA loan guarantees.

01:16:28.000 You understand that?

01:16:29.000 The top ten Big banks got a quarter of all the loan guarantees, and it's even worse than that.

01:16:36.000 It's not just that the big banks are getting all the money and then loaning it out.

01:16:40.000 They're always doing that.

01:16:41.000 They're getting interest-free loans to pay back not only the bailout money that they got, but getting interest-free loans and then loaning it out to people on home loans and auto loans at 4, 5, 6 percent, then loaning it out in credit cards at 20, 30, 40, 50 percent.

01:16:53.000 But no, the loans themselves are going to the biggest companies.

01:17:00.000 It's not going to the small companies.

01:17:02.000 The vast majority of the loans are going to the very largest companies.

01:17:07.000 We see this happening all the time.

01:17:09.000 That's what the government always does. 0.51

01:17:12.000 It's called regulatory capture sometimes, but it really is just crony capitalism.

01:17:16.000 It's corruption.

01:17:18.000 They use the government to shut down their competition.

01:17:22.000 The bank bailouts did that, to shut down their competition.

01:17:25.000 Look at how many small banks failed.

01:17:27.000 I remember a Drudge Report used to have, you know, every year.

01:17:30.000 Another 150 banks or whatever went out of business.

01:17:34.000 Small banks went out and it was a running total and it was going up on a yearly basis.

01:17:39.000 It's going down now because there's not that many more of them around to drive out of business.

01:17:44.000 Of course, if you want to look at How this plays out, Monsanto and the FDA is a good example of this.

01:17:50.000 We have an article up on Infowars.com today.

01:17:53.000 Monsanto pulling illegal vote counters into the Oregon GMO recount.

01:17:57.000 Remember when we had the election, we talked about how it was unfortunate that the labeling law narrowly lost in Oregon?

01:18:04.000 Well, actually, it didn't.

01:18:06.000 Okay.

01:18:08.000 Right now there's only 812 votes between the no and the yes sides on the labeling debate in Oregon.

01:18:14.000 So what are they doing?

01:18:16.000 What is Monsanto doing?

01:18:18.000 Well, Monsanto and the large corporations that want to keep you from knowing what's in your food have been bringing in people from out of state as observers.

01:18:31.000 It's one of the many ways that they game the system and of course they have been playing Paying to play, I should say.

01:18:40.000 Donating four to five times the amount of money that the organizations who are trying to get labeling out there have.

01:18:47.000 And basically lying to the public.

01:18:49.000 And if they do it enough, I think they've got it down to a science.

01:18:51.000 It looks like if they put out about four to five times the amount that their opponents are able to spend, they seem to be able to pretty regularly pull this off.

01:19:01.000 And at the beginning, when they were first fighting these labeling laws, they were putting a lot of money in, but then they pulled it back to just about four or five times.

01:19:11.000 And in Oregon, it went from an overwhelming majority of people who supported just honesty and knowing what's in your food.

01:19:19.000 Can't I just know what's in my food?

01:19:21.000 We can have this discussion about what GMO actually means to my health, but why are you hiding the fact that it's in there if it's something that isn't harmful for me?

01:19:31.000 We have labels about everything.

01:19:32.000 So they lie to them and they tell them that, oh, this is going to be horrible.

01:19:36.000 It's going to drive the cost of everything up.

01:19:38.000 Look, they redesign their labels all the time just for marketing decisions.

01:19:42.000 But they also point out in this article, of course, and we've talked about this right after the election, the way they got shut down.

01:19:47.000 Was by an educated electorate in Hawaii.

01:19:50.000 Even though they spent over eight million dollars in Hawaii to try to do GMO farming there, it didn't sell.

01:19:57.000 They weren't able to use their propaganda there because people understood the issue.

01:20:02.000 It really is an educational issue and it's a long-term issue.

01:20:05.000 That's where they've had success in the GMO shutdowns is where they stopped the farming of GMO because the people know what's going on.

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01:24:40.000 We're going to be joined in the next segment with Joe Wolverton, writing for the New American, talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty, a very comprehensive piece of gun control.

01:24:53.000 Of course it was not ratified by the Senate.

01:24:55.000 Of course it conflicts with the Second Amendment.

01:24:58.000 But we have seen all kinds of crazy stuff being done by our government under color of law.

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01:25:11.000 That's research done by Jerome Corsi.

01:25:13.000 He's going to be joining us in the next hour to talk about that and the meaning of that.

01:25:18.000 Of course, I think it clearly makes it obvious that we've got a dictator in office.

01:25:23.000 He doesn't think he even needs to put his orders in writing.

01:25:27.000 He just needs to speak them, but of course it's a little bit more subtle than that.

01:25:32.000 That's one of the takeaways to come out with it, but we've also got House lawmakers are going to reintroduce a bill to limit the NSA backdoor spying.

01:25:41.000 We'll see.

01:25:41.000 I don't know.

01:25:42.000 I don't see that they really want to do anything about this, of course, because We've got people violating the law from the NSA down to the police departments.

01:25:52.000 The Department of Justice is violating the law.

01:25:54.000 We've got the IRS violating the law.

01:25:56.000 We've got a president who signs executive orders.

01:26:00.000 If you are so captured by this Democrat-Republican false paradigm they put out there, it ought to scare you to death.

01:26:08.000 To think about the other guys getting in charge.

01:26:12.000 Except, the thing is, they're all on the same team, as we point out over and over again.

01:26:17.000 We even had the bumper, as we came in earlier in the show, of the comedian pointing out, you know, what's the, we got the puppet on the left, we got the puppet on the right, and look, it's the same guy controlling both of them.

01:26:27.000 We got George Bush!

01:26:28.000 This is an article that's up on Drudge Report.

01:26:30.000 George Bush says, Hillary Clinton is like my sister-in-law. 0.97

01:26:33.000 He just called Bill Clinton, his brother from another mother, as Alex has pointed out.

01:26:38.000 I don't know the genealogy as well as Alex does, but he points out that's quite literally close to the truth.

01:26:44.000 So, it's the same group of people where it looks like we're going to possibly have a Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton.

01:26:53.000 Isn't that repulsive? 0.58

01:26:54.000 Doesn't that make you just want to throw up?

01:26:56.000 I mean, it makes me want to throw up.

01:26:57.000 It scares me, too.

01:26:58.000 Except it's not really going to be that different.

01:27:01.000 You know, when we looked at the choice that we were given with Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, you realize, of course, that Peter Gruber was given a shout-out by Mitt Romney for helping him to push through Romneycare in Massachusetts, which was so identical to Obamacare that eventually came which was so identical to Obamacare that eventually came through it.

01:27:20.000 And of course Romney did that with the help of Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts.

01:27:25.000 That should have been a warning for everybody that we were going to get the same thing regardless of who we elected.

01:27:31.000 It was just a different face.

01:27:33.000 You know, do you like this young white guy or do you like Captain Underpants on the other side?

01:27:37.000 I mean, what's your choice?

01:27:39.000 You like this dashing traditional, you know, what is it? 0.99

01:27:43.000 The Fighting Whiteys. 1.00

01:27:44.000 Isn't that what Mitt Romney looked like?

01:27:46.000 But anyway, you could pick the guy that you thought matched your personal taste because we can't even really have a discussion about excessive use of police force or police violating the law without it being taken over by racism.

01:28:05.000 As we pointed out earlier, It was a black female sergeant who oversaw the smothering or the heart attack that was induced on Eric Garner and had no problem with it. 1.00

01:28:18.000 You're not going to see this change by electing a woman or a black or a white guy. 0.52

01:28:25.000 It's what's behind it.

01:28:26.000 You have to look at their policies.

01:28:29.000 They're using that to throw you off of the trail.

01:28:32.000 Now in the next segment we're going to be talking to Joe Woolverton about the U.N.

01:28:37.000 We have an article up on Infowars about another approach to gun control.

01:28:37.000 Arms Trade Treaty.

01:28:42.000 38 billion reasons the Second Amendment is crumbling and it's Bloomberg's money, the billionaire Bloomberg, lavishing money on these initiatives in the same way that Monsanto and the big agri-companies lavish money on these other initiatives to prevent people from knowing what's in their food.

01:29:03.000 They're trying to take our fundamental rights to protect ourselves individually from criminals and collectively against an unconstitutional government.

01:29:11.000 Those are rights that supersede the Constitution.

01:29:13.000 But, of course, Bloomberg has a lot of money there.

01:29:16.000 They point out that he's reportedly spent as much as $50 million from his personal funds in just the 2014 elections.

01:29:23.000 If you go back and you look at even David Clark, we've interviewed him on this show, a black sheriff from Minneapolis, very supportive of gun rights, telling people...

01:29:33.000 Honestly, I can't be there when something happens.

01:29:36.000 You need to be armed, you need to be trained.

01:29:38.000 Make sure you know how to use the gun, but I can't be there for a long time.

01:29:42.000 We'll try to get there as soon as we can, but you have the responsibility to protect yourself.

01:29:46.000 Bloomberg tried to take him out of office with a half a million dollars spent on a sheriff's race.

01:29:51.000 He's got a lot of money and he's going to throw it at this.

01:29:53.000 He's got a different agenda.

01:29:54.000 We're going to be right back talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

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01:35:48.000 DARPA is getting close to an Iron Man suit.

01:35:52.000 Yeah, that's everything that you look at that DARPA is doing really bothers me.

01:35:56.000 And as I look at this article, you know, I think they're actually getting closer to being Hydra.

01:36:01.000 That's the thing that really scares me.

01:36:03.000 It isn't so much that they've got an Iron Man suit, or they've got an exoskeleton suit, or they got robots.

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01:36:26.000 It's about developing weapons.

01:36:28.000 And when I see them developing a robot that can run faster than any human being, I don't believe that they're going to use it to go turn off the stuck valve on a nuclear reactor somewhere, okay?

01:36:41.000 I wasn't born yesterday, and most of our people aren't either.

01:36:43.000 They say the Army doesn't have an Iron Man suit yet, but the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, DARPA, their Warrior Web program, is a step closer to developing a soft, low-powered exosuit that will augment the physical capabilities of soldiers.

01:36:59.000 And of course, we've seen some crude examples of that in some other military organizations as well, but they're going to go full-on Terminator.

01:37:10.000 And as I pointed out yesterday, it's strange enough to see that they've got Terminator that looks like, as everybody is getting concerned about the advances in AI, we've got people like Elon Musk, we've got Stephen Hawkins all saying, look, AI could very easily get out of control and end the human AI could very easily get out of control and end the human race, the I mean, we see that coming true.

01:37:31.000 And then if that's not bad enough, we see them even going to replicating pinky in the brain, sticking human brain, you know, augmenting mice brains with human brain cells and increasing their intelligence. 0.75

01:37:42.000 I mean, this is...

01:37:43.000 Is really getting absolutely crazy.

01:37:45.000 About as crazy as our government that operates by executive order and not even bothering to file the paperwork.

01:37:51.000 Let's go to Dan in FEMA.

01:37:54.000 Let's see, what was that?

01:37:55.000 Whatever.

01:37:55.000 Six?

01:37:56.000 Dan, go ahead.

01:37:59.000 Hi David.

01:38:00.000 Thank you very much for taking my show or call.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, I'm up here in Region 5.

01:38:06.000 Let's start on what you're saying.

01:38:08.000 Kind of two-fold.

01:38:09.000 Real quick to cap on what you're saying.

01:38:13.000 Some of this, maybe I should say, maybe I shouldn't.

01:38:18.000 I was stationed at Fort Irwin, California, Mojave Desert, 88 to 92.

01:38:22.000 Now, that's gone back some time.

01:38:28.000 At that time, uh, Plan Mark Wars, uh, there was a building that we called, that we called, uh, well, we called the Bestar.

01:38:38.000 It's crazy enough.

01:38:39.000 Oh, and we've seen these articles on, uh, on Drudge Report, how they, they're working up for, for laser weapons from space.

01:38:45.000 Go ahead.

01:38:46.000 Now, now, during that time period, there were three satellites dedicated only to Fort Irwin.

01:38:57.000 Says that the commanding generals of the booth, or the people that we're training, at that time would be for Desert Storm, could watch a brigade-level fake war go on.

01:39:11.000 Yeah, they've got a lot of equipment that they're not telling us about.

01:39:14.000 Just think about how rapidly they deployed the drone program after 9-11.

01:39:19.000 When you stop back and think about that, I mean, they didn't want people to think about the fact that they could remotely control aircraft.

01:39:27.000 Even though, going back to the 60s, they had Operation Northwoods, where they had proposed Drone airplanes, commercial airliners, flying them into buildings, staging other terrorist acts so they could use it as a pretext to go to war against Castro in Cuba.

01:39:43.000 But we're not told about that in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s and the 90s.

01:39:47.000 No, when we have September 11th on 2001, nobody's thought about Drone-controlled planes being used as weapons or as a false flag, but after 2001 guess what?

01:39:57.000 It only took about a month for them to have this entire drone army that their Air Force that they're using In Afghanistan it just appeared out of nowhere.

01:40:07.000 Isn't that interesting how these things just come up at a convenient time?

01:40:11.000 I'm gonna hold the rest of your calls to the top of the hour because we just got a hold of Joe Wolverton with the New American and Featured contributor there is articles on the Constitution, states' rights, NDAA, drones, surveillance state, have appeared in national, international publications including LewRockwell.com, Ron Paul Forums, the Tenth Amendment Center, our site, InfoWars, Guardian, and Business Insider.

01:40:32.000 And of course, he's got an article up today about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

01:40:37.000 It's something that I've been following for a long time.

01:40:40.000 Thank you for joining us, Joe.

01:40:42.000 Thank you.

01:40:42.000 Thanks for having me on.

01:40:43.000 I appreciate it.

01:40:44.000 Lay out for people what the real problem with the U.N.

01:40:47.000 Arms Trade Treaty is and then we can talk about how they're trying to push this on us and the constitutional issues.

01:40:52.000 But talk about the substance of it right now.

01:40:55.000 The substance of it is it requires the registration of all ammunition, arms, and component parts.

01:41:03.000 It gives control over those to regional departments of the United Nations.

01:41:10.000 It requires member states, meaning the United States included, To keep a list of gun owners.

01:41:18.000 It empowers the United Nations to send troops in to enforce disarmament should any member state find it difficult to disarm its citizens.

01:41:30.000 It requires tracking to the end user of the manufacturing by the manufacturer of any firearm, ammunition or component part.

01:41:39.000 And at the end of the day, it will lead to the complete disarmament of the civilian population.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, this is full spectrum gun control.

01:41:46.000 They're not looking at something and saying, well, you know, we're going to ban guns that we think looks, we're going to call them assault weapons and say that they look scary.

01:41:53.000 So, you know, if you've got a bayonet attachment on the end, we're going to ban that.

01:41:57.000 No, it's not piecemeal like that.

01:41:58.000 It is everything.

01:42:00.000 Everything.

01:42:01.000 Guns, denying the right to own guns, taking out ammunition, taking out spare parts, as you point out, creating this massive registry and demanding that no one can own anything associated with a firearm.

01:42:13.000 Right, and under Article 16 of the Arms Trade Treaty, it does empower the Secretary General to deploy peacekeepers to any nation whose leaders or legislative body finds it difficult to disarm.

01:42:32.000 So that's Article 16, and it will help It will help that leader or that nation with what it calls stockpile management, disarmament, and demobilization.

01:42:44.000 So you can interpret that the way you think it should be interpreted.

01:42:48.000 Well, the way I interpret that is Lexington and Concord.

01:42:51.000 Because they went after the stockpiles there.

01:42:55.000 You're the first one who's really caught on to that.

01:42:58.000 When the bullets started flying at the War for Independence, it was because King George's troops were coming for the ammunition.

01:43:04.000 Man, yeah, absolutely.

01:43:06.000 This is full spectrum.

01:43:07.000 Now let's talk about how they have manipulated this thing from the very beginning because...

01:43:13.000 They had come up, and we know, even the New York Times pointed out, that Fast and Furious was set up to blame the Second Amendment.

01:43:20.000 And of course, a key part of Fast and Furious was to move guns across the border.

01:43:26.000 And so that's exactly what this purports to take care of.

01:43:30.000 That is the rationale for having to have a UN arms trade treaty, because it's not enough that we just have this problem as they perceive it in America.

01:43:39.000 Individuals can own guns.

01:43:40.000 No, our guns are going across the border to other people.

01:43:44.000 So that was a set piece.

01:43:46.000 That was something that was set up to basically get the public afraid of this, to demonstrate the need for it.

01:43:54.000 And it blew up in their face.

01:43:56.000 I was there in July in New York at the United Nations.

01:43:59.000 We were filming that.

01:44:01.000 We were reporting on that.

01:44:02.000 And they had the people there.

01:44:04.000 It had just blown up about this officer getting killed.

01:44:07.000 And people had realized what was going on with Fast and Furious.

01:44:09.000 So that blew up in their face.

01:44:11.000 And then, of course, they have the shooting that was perfectly timed just as they were about to have the vote.

01:44:17.000 So they delayed all of that until after the election, they said.

01:44:21.000 They didn't wait very long.

01:44:22.000 On the very day of the election, as soon as they saw the Democrats were going to be picking up seats, they said, we're going to revisit this back in the spring after the Democrats are in Congress.

01:44:30.000 And, of course, Joe, they didn't get that ratified by the Senate.

01:44:34.000 Nevertheless, John Kerry, Secretary of State, signed it.

01:44:37.000 So talk to us about the constitutionality of all of that.

01:44:41.000 Well, I mean, the constitutionality is there is none.

01:44:46.000 Specifically, the Second Amendment says, as you know and all of your viewers know, shall not be infringed.

01:44:53.000 Shall not be infringed unless there's armed violence.

01:44:56.000 Shall not be infringed unless there's a mass shooting.

01:44:59.000 It shall not be infringed.

01:45:01.000 That most people, most good, well-intentioned constitutionalists and lovers of liberty don't understand is the Second Amendment has nothing to do with self-defense in the narrow way.

01:45:11.000 It has self-defense in the wider, Lockean way.

01:45:15.000 That is to say, when the government becomes abusive of your rights, it is your duty and your obligation and your right to throw off that government.

01:45:24.000 And at the end of the day, our Founding Fathers understood that the Second Amendment had nothing to do with protecting yourself from burglars.

01:45:31.000 It had everything to do with protecting yourself from tyrants.

01:45:35.000 And the United Nations, no one is more tyrannical in its conception and in its operation than the United Nations.

01:45:43.000 And they understand.

01:45:44.000 They have learned the lesson of history.

01:45:46.000 You know, a gun without a bullet is just a club.

01:45:50.000 So go for the ammunition.

01:45:50.000 Yes.

01:45:52.000 And I'll tell you the story of... I was invited by the ambassadors of Mexico and Spain to speak at the convention where they finally... where they were drafting the Arms Trade Treaty back in March of... I think it was 2012.

01:46:09.000 And I went to that and spoke there at their little meeting on behalf of the Second Amendment.

01:46:13.000 And these guys understood very well And made no uncertain terms that the goal of this, ultimately, is disarmament.

01:46:21.000 But the way to get there, the best way to get there, is to focus on the ammunition.

01:46:26.000 Yes.

01:46:28.000 They specifically, something that most people don't know, and I've written about, but to my, you know, dismay, it hasn't gotten enough traction, which is the fact that it is the ammunition.

01:46:37.000 And at this meeting of the Mexican, sponsored by Spain and Mexico, there at the UN, They mentioned specifically that they were working on, in Germany, they were working on technology that was a tiny chip that would be implanted in every round, and that chip would be required by international law to be used by every manufacturer of ammunition.

01:47:01.000 And that chip would cause the round of ammunition to self-destruct after it had been used one time, meaning the end to all reloading, of course.

01:47:11.000 And we're talking about reloading.

01:47:12.000 At the very beginning of the Obama administration, they've understood that ammunition is the key thing.

01:47:18.000 As you pointed out, a gun without ammunition is just a club.

01:47:21.000 At the very beginning of this, they started out by not allowing the U.S.

01:47:25.000 military to recycle their brass.

01:47:27.000 Remember, they pulled that back and then there was a couple of senators who came back and fought against that.

01:47:32.000 And then a couple of years later, We uncovered some evidence that showed that they were still at a New York Fort, and I can't remember the name of it right now, but they were still recycling this brass in terms of crushing it and selling it to China as scrap, spending money to crush it, selling it to China as scrap metal for far less than they could sell it back into the American market, which is what the military has always done with their scrap brass.

01:47:54.000 So they get rid of the brass.

01:47:56.000 They start making lead illegal in California.

01:47:59.000 They want to do that nationwide.

01:48:00.000 They want to outlaw lead ammunition.

01:48:03.000 So they understand not only as a full spectrum attack, not just this UN Arms Trade Treaty, but they want to get even to the components of ammunition.

01:48:12.000 And as you pointed out about the Second Amendment, it's about It references infringement because I think they always visualize that this is going to be a gradual process.

01:48:21.000 And it has been a gradual process of infringement until now.

01:48:25.000 Now they're getting very bold.

01:48:26.000 With this UN Arms Trade Treaty, they're going for the whole enchilada. 0.61

01:48:30.000 As I said, full spectrum, gun control, all components, all aspects of it.

01:48:35.000 And people don't realize, you know, everyone says, well, if the Blue Helmets come for my gun, they'll pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

01:48:42.000 Well, it doesn't have anything to do with the Blue Helmets.

01:48:44.000 It'll be your local law enforcement that has been co-opted by the federal government.

01:48:48.000 Yes.

01:48:48.000 I mean, we are seeing now that with the Department of Homeland Security and with the Department of Defense giving grants and the Homeland Security creating fusion centers, the local law enforcement is something that just doesn't exist anymore.

01:49:01.000 They're all simply outposts of the larger federal military law enforcement complex.

01:49:06.000 It's becoming a thing where it won't be a blue-helmeted U.N.

01:49:11.000 soldier.

01:49:11.000 It'll be the local deputy sheriff, you know, who has been armed to the teeth by Homeland Security and the Department of Defense.

01:49:20.000 You know, they show up to serve bench warrants with an anti-personnel vehicle, an armored personnel vehicle, and that's how they'll show up to serve the warrant to you to notice to you that you haven't complied with the law requiring registration of firearms.

01:49:34.000 If you want to know exactly how it'll go down, just read the history of the past 20 years or so of the United Kingdom and Australia.

01:49:42.000 And that'll tell you exactly how it'll go down.

01:49:44.000 You'll be, it'll all be enforced by your local law enforcement acting on behalf of the federal government.

01:49:50.000 And of course, they may just kind of wait us out.

01:49:53.000 There was the fellow who did the wargaming scenario, used to teach, still did teach at the military college in South Carolina, essentially talking about a revolution of tea partiers there and how that was going to play out in a scenario.

01:50:06.000 But one of the things that he controversially said was, I will pry that out of your cold dead hands.

01:50:11.000 Hopefully when you've died from natural causes. 0.92

01:50:14.000 We're just going to wait this out.

01:50:15.000 We're going to continually infringe on this until there's nothing left and then we're going to come for the little cleanup operations that we need to do elsewhere.

01:50:26.000 But one of the things I want to talk about under your article, you pointed out the irony of this happening on Christmas Eve and you spent a lot of time talking about Christians involvement and the understanding of where our rights come from that they transcend government they come directly from God and of course at the Berlin Wall when it fell down it was the Christians who in mass went to the wall after having

01:50:51.000 They met for seven years and setting their churches up as a place where people could come and freely talk about politics openly and could come and pray for their country.

01:51:00.000 After seven years of that, they marched on the wall.

01:51:03.000 Almost like it was Jericho.

01:51:04.000 Except it wasn't seven days, it was seven years.

01:51:06.000 It's a long process.

01:51:07.000 It's a revival process.

01:51:08.000 I want to talk to Joe Wolverton about the transcendent issues when we come back.

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01:54:31.000 We have on the line with us Joe Wolverton from thenewamerican.com talking about his article that the UN declares that they're going to put the Arms Trade Treaty into effect on December 24th.

01:54:44.000 Now we've talked about the scope of this, we've talked about how clever the government has become in their gun control efforts, how they have focused on ammunition, and of course we talked about how they early on stopped brass recycling from the military because of course the military makes their own ammunition.

01:55:00.000 They stopped that and then restarted it after Senators protested that.

01:55:06.000 But then it appears we have information that looks like they may have continually stopped that and are recycling that rather than putting it back into the market.

01:55:15.000 But of course, as Nico reminded me, you know, the whole thing with the DHS that Paul Joseph Watson broke here at Infowars, the fact that they are buying Billions of rounds of ammunition and the ammunition shortages that they caused out of that.

01:55:28.000 That was coming out of the general market because, as I mentioned before, the military makes their own ammunition.

01:55:34.000 So they have understood that it's about ammunition.

01:55:36.000 They're working on infringing our basic rights, but now this is coming for the entire thing.

01:55:42.000 This is full spectrum gun control.

01:55:44.000 Registration, ammunition, parts, Everything.

01:55:49.000 Denying the right of individuals to own weapons and then also putting in an enforcement mechanism saying that they will enforce it with the UN although they may have the local police working for them.

01:56:00.000 I want to go back to Joe and and Joe one of the things that we didn't talk about in the last segment of course was the Yeah, I mean, I think it's important.

01:56:08.000 transcendent right that we have the fact that the constitution just merely recognizes those these are rights that we possess as human beings from our creator going back to the declaration of independence that understanding of our rights go ahead yeah i mean i i think it's important i i tell people all the time when i give speeches that there are books that if you want to be part of what's going to happen if you want to be part of taking uh this country back to the place it needs to be the place it was destined to be

01:56:35.000 then you've got to read some of these books that the founders read that informed them and taught them from their the cradle that there we are endowed they did not create this idea thomas jefferson did not out of the blue decide that we were endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights He discovered this from very little.

01:56:54.000 And it's funny to understand that from the time that the federal government took control of education, all of these people, all of their writings, people that most of your viewers probably haven't heard of, these people, Emmerich, Duvall, John Jacques Berlemache and Samuel Pufendorf and Algernon Sidney.

01:57:10.000 These people that were all over the writings and journals of our Founding Fathers were completely scrubbed from the notion of history.

01:57:18.000 Mainly to keep the idea out of our minds that we are endowed by our Creator with certain rights and among those is the right to protect our life and Alexander Hamilton explained it very well in the Federalist Papers number 27 and 28 that are the purpose is to throw off tyranny.

01:57:35.000 John Locke, he learned it from John Locke as well, and John Locke learned it from those other guys that... Well they could even go Joe to the Bible, couldn't they?

01:57:45.000 And have a bit of a revival to understand that we have to stand up for the defenseless, for those who are being oppressed.

01:57:52.000 It was Jesus who overthrew the money changers, got angry about that.

01:57:57.000 Why is there no anger on the part of Christians when we see oppression?

01:58:02.000 When we see oppression coming from our own government, too often I see Christians give government A carte blanche to do whatever they want to because of a misunderstanding of Romans. 0.91

01:58:13.000 And we've had pastors on to talk about this many times, but that's what I think it initially stems from is just a misunderstanding of the lines of authority and a lack of compassion for individuals.

01:58:26.000 I think you're exactly right.

01:58:27.000 I think Jesus in the Bible, as I mentioned in the article in Luke chapter 22, commanded his followers to purchase a sword.

01:58:35.000 I think Paul in his writings specifically said that it is our Christian duty to protect ourselves and protect our loved ones.

01:58:44.000 And they understood very well what that meant.

01:58:45.000 We're out of time.

01:58:46.000 I wish we could go further, but we're out of time.

01:58:47.000 I know you can't continue it.

01:58:48.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:58:49.000 Joe Woolverton, newamerican.com.

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02:00:35.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:00:42.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

02:00:44.000 We're in Austin, of course, early in the program.

02:00:46.000 We talked to Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

02:00:49.000 We talked to Lionel about the rules of engagement.

02:00:53.000 One aspect of the lawlessness that we see, the lack of respect for the Constitution.

02:00:58.000 Of course, we just finished talking to Joe Wolverton from the New American about the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

02:01:04.000 Brings up tremendous questions about what the real law of the land is.

02:01:08.000 Are we going to allow these people under the pretense of following the law to do whatever they please?

02:01:14.000 And essentially I believe that's what the UN Arms Treaty represents.

02:01:17.000 We've had John Kerry sign it, but we haven't had the Senate ratify it.

02:01:22.000 So it isn't even a real treaty as far as the American people go.

02:01:26.000 But it is a very dangerous piece of legislation.

02:01:30.000 That is full spectrum gun control.

02:01:33.000 They may try to enforce it.

02:01:35.000 Obama has said that he's going to go through with his climate change agenda whether or not the Republicans like it.

02:01:41.000 He has absolutely nothing but contempt for our legislative process for Congress and of course Congress is aiding and abetting that by being passive.

02:01:49.000 We know that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have no problem with this kind of dictatorial power.

02:01:55.000 They would like to see the Republicans in control of the levers of power.

02:01:59.000 So they're helping to create this monolithic megastate, hoping that they're going to have the levers one day.

02:02:06.000 But we're also going to be talking to Jerome Corsi at the bottom of the hour about the very executive order that many people have said Obama ought to clearly be impeached for.

02:02:15.000 You know, he said, I changed the law for you when he's talking to some demonstrators.

02:02:19.000 Then tried to walk that back and said, oh, I was just talking, speaking colloquially.

02:02:23.000 I didn't really mean I'd literally change the law.

02:02:24.000 No, he really did.

02:02:26.000 Except that he didn't sign even his executive order.

02:02:29.000 Jerome Kersey looked at the executive order and he realized that it's never been filed with the archivists.

02:02:37.000 He's verified that.

02:02:37.000 It was never signed.

02:02:38.000 That's up on the Drudge Report today.

02:02:40.000 We're going to be talking to him at the bottom of the hour about his research.

02:02:43.000 Of course, we've got a dictator who doesn't even bother to sign his executive orders, but there may be more to it than that.

02:02:49.000 I want to go back to your calls.

02:02:50.000 We were just talking about gun control, full-spectrum gun control, coming after not only the rights to own guns, but also coming after the guns, coming after the ammunition, coming after the parts, full registration, and then saying the UN reserves the right to come in as peacekeepers and take those guns away from you.

02:03:09.000 I want to go to Rich in Oregon.

02:03:11.000 You said you want to talk about guns, Rich?

02:03:12.000 Go ahead.

02:03:15.000 Hey David, how are you today?

02:03:16.000 Doing fine.

02:03:17.000 What's on your mind?

02:03:19.000 My question is to you.

02:03:20.000 I actually have two questions.

02:03:22.000 First of all, doesn't it say when the government in our Constitution becomes lawless that the people of the, let's say of Americans, we do not follow the laws anymore as to what the government Yes, and I think there are a number of ways that haven't been tried legally and peacefully.

02:03:45.000 That's why I'm concerned about people who want to immediately go out and take direct action.

02:03:50.000 We see how people have reacted to the looters in Ferguson.

02:03:56.000 Attaching that, even when they attach it to something that some people might support, an excessive case of police brutality or force, they still don't support that because they don't understand what the problems are there.

02:04:07.000 I think there's a lot more education that needs to be done.

02:04:09.000 I want to see people standing up in juries and nullifying laws.

02:04:12.000 That only takes one person to do that in a jury.

02:04:15.000 If I don't see people doing that in juries, I don't think they're going to have my six if I want to come out and start using force.

02:04:22.000 I want to see people at the state level Sheriffs, state legislators, I want to see them using the powers of nullification.

02:04:29.000 Joe Woolverton has talked quite a bit about that, the new American, talking about nullification.

02:04:34.000 That is a rightful remedy, and we need to have some kind of, we need to have faithful people, people who are faithful to the principles this country was built upon, to be leaders, to have some kind of a power structure in there.

02:04:46.000 Hang on, we've got to come up to a break.

02:04:48.000 I don't want to cut you off or let you have a chance to respond.

02:04:51.000 So hold on the phone there, Rich in Oregon.

02:04:53.000 We'll be right back with your calls.

02:04:54.000 We're going to have Jerome Corsi at the bottom of the hour talking about the contempt that Obama has for our rule of law.

02:05:01.000 Not even bothering to sign his own dictates or file them.

02:05:04.000 We'll be right back.

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02:08:25.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:08:33.000 I'm David Knight in Austin.

02:08:34.000 We were just taking some calls in the last segment, and we ran out of time.

02:08:39.000 We had Rich from Oregon talking about gun control.

02:08:41.000 Of course, in the last hour, we were talking to Joe Wolverton from The New American about the UN declaring that they're going to put into effect their arms trade treaty on December the 24th.

02:08:51.000 Now, there's a lot of countries that have signed on to that treaty.

02:08:55.000 Actually, the US hasn't.

02:08:57.000 Only our Secretary of State has signed it.

02:08:58.000 That's not the way you ratify a treaty.

02:09:00.000 And you can't ratify a treaty that conflicts with our guaranteed constitutional rights.

02:09:07.000 But they do a lot of things under cover of law.

02:09:10.000 A lot of things illegally we've seen our government do and get away with it.

02:09:14.000 Because we've got a lot of people on both sides of the aisle that are complicit in this.

02:09:18.000 And of course we're going to be talking at the bottom of the hour to Jerome Corsi about Obama's recent executive order bypassing Congress.

02:09:25.000 As he said, he changed the law and that's what he meant and that's what he really did.

02:09:29.000 He did change the law, but he didn't even bother to sign his executive order.

02:09:33.000 Jerome Corsi reported on that on WND and of course, Drudge Report picked it up.

02:09:37.000 We're going to talk to Jerome Corsi at the bottom of the hour, but right now I want to go back to Rich in Oregon.

02:09:42.000 Rich, we didn't have time for you to come back and finish your thoughts.

02:09:45.000 Go ahead.

02:09:46.000 Well, the only thing I was thinking about, David, is first of all with the UN treaty, I don't know anything about The UN being part of the United States, that's what they'd like to be, I guess.

02:09:57.000 I'm a U.S.

02:09:58.000 citizen born and raised here.

02:10:00.000 However, I'm somebody that will not comply with anything such as gun control.

02:10:05.000 I, you know, I just feel that it's an infringement upon my rights.

02:10:10.000 Number one, I know I'm not the only one to stand alone on that thought.

02:10:14.000 Also, two, How are they going to enforce that when over 200 million Americans are armed?

02:10:19.000 Also, even when the police are out of control like that, I mean, you know what?

02:10:24.000 You never know if you're gonna get shot when you get stopped or if you're going to jail and you've never done nothing in your life. - I understand, but I think, Rich, the dangerous thing is they've gotten a lot more subtle and clever about the way they're approaching it, and that is they're focusing on ammunition, We've seen this with the massive purchases out of the civilian market with DHS.

02:10:43.000 We've seen it with the dry up of the recycled brass out of the military.

02:10:47.000 We've seen it with the lead bans.

02:10:49.000 So that's what they're working on.

02:10:50.000 They're working on, they may, I don't know if they'll be able, I don't think they're going to be able to push something like the U.N.

02:10:55.000 Arms Trade Treaty through because it's too much at once.

02:10:59.000 But they're coming at it from a process of infringement.

02:11:03.000 Our founders understood that they would not move against us all at once.

02:11:07.000 They would typically come a little bit at a time.

02:11:09.000 They may get bold enough that they may try to just go for the whole enchilada all at once.

02:11:09.000 But who knows?

02:11:14.000 We'll see.

02:11:14.000 I hope they don't do that because that's a lot of people's line in the sand.

02:11:18.000 Thank you so much, Rich in Oregon.

02:11:20.000 Let's go to Aaron in Alaska.

02:11:22.000 I think it's Alaska, right?

02:11:24.000 You wanted to talk about the treaty?

02:11:25.000 Yeah, it's actually Omaha.

02:11:28.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:31.000 Great to talk to you, David.

02:11:33.000 I just want to say that when my dad was my age, he was able to buy a fully automatic AK-47 with a 100-round clip.

02:11:43.000 I mean, you're exactly right when they say that they're subtle.

02:11:46.000 They are slowly coming at us.

02:11:49.000 And the last caller mentioned, you know, we have a lot of armed citizens.

02:11:52.000 Well, I mean, it's just, it's going to be piece by piece like it has been.

02:11:59.000 You just said a lot of people's line in the sand a week ago when Alex was asking the question was that there's a treaty going through and a lot of people don't believe that Agenda 21 isn't real, the main critics, because it's not a ratified, signed, voted on law.

02:12:16.000 I mean, they don't need that.

02:12:19.000 No, actually, Agenda 21 is just that, it's an agenda.

02:12:23.000 What they do is they come up with these goals and processes and then they rely on a RAND Corporation process to enact that at the local level.

02:12:31.000 And they actually even manipulate people, that's part of the RAND process, to manipulate the local population to believe that they actually had input on this, that this was actually their idea, that they signed on to it, and yet it's the same agenda that's being replicated in all these different areas.

02:12:46.000 So, it's a very subtle thing.

02:12:48.000 And we're seeing this, of course, with the gun control.

02:12:52.000 It's also a very subtle, very gradual thing.

02:12:56.000 It's very concerning, and people need to go back, and as Joe Wolverton was talking about, they need to understand their foundations.

02:13:04.000 They need to understand why this is there.

02:13:06.000 They need to understand the basis of our rights, that our rights are not granted by government.

02:13:11.000 Government grants privileges.

02:13:12.000 It doesn't grant us rights.

02:13:13.000 We have rights as human beings, as creatures of our God.

02:13:17.000 Going back to the Declaration of Independence, it's something that really resonates with people when you explain it to them.

02:13:23.000 But of course, they're getting exactly the opposite information in the government schools.

02:13:27.000 That's why the government puts itself in control of education, puts itself in control of the schools.

02:13:32.000 Thank you so much, Aaron.

02:13:34.000 Let's go to Doug in Ohio.

02:13:37.000 Doug, you said you had a non-violent solution?

02:13:41.000 Absolutely.

02:13:42.000 Hi David, good talking to you.

02:13:44.000 I want to say thanks for you guys doing the great reporting you do and putting yourselves in jeopardy for all the things that could go wrong being an employee of Alex Jones because he's one of the greatest people ever.

02:13:57.000 One of the things you need to understand is that we are all in jeopardy.

02:14:01.000 Okay?

02:14:02.000 Everybody needs to understand they're being spied on.

02:14:04.000 I mean, we know we're being spied on, but everybody needs to understand that.

02:14:07.000 When they understand that, when they understand that it isn't black versus white, it isn't urban versus rural, that's when things are going to change, when people come together and realize this is a broad-based attack by a few people on the vast majority of us who just really want to live our lives and be left alone.

02:14:23.000 Go ahead.

02:14:24.000 You want to talk about the nonviolent solution?

02:14:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:27.000 And also I had a couple other things on the guns too.

02:14:30.000 But the non-violent solution, you know, I'm an electrician and I do a lot of driving.

02:14:34.000 And, you know, I'm driving down the road, Drake Dream, and I said, hey, what is the most powerful industry in the United States besides government?

02:14:44.000 Trucking.

02:14:45.000 The trucking.

02:14:46.000 And it's still ran by the people.

02:14:49.000 My thing of it is, is we should be advertising, promoting, we need to get the truckers on board.

02:14:55.000 They're going to shut this country down.

02:14:56.000 We're in deep, deep trouble.

02:14:58.000 Talk is over.

02:14:59.000 Let me tell you, as a trucker, you've got something coming up in just, I would say, within the next five years.

02:15:05.000 Definitely within the next ten years.

02:15:07.000 They're going to go to self-driving cars, and trucks are going to be one of the first places they're going to do it.

02:15:12.000 It's going to be decimating to everybody that's in the transportation industry.

02:15:15.000 I mean, part of this fight that's going on with Uber and the taxi companies, I understand that for the longest time, taxi companies have used government control to shut out their competition.

02:15:26.000 They used it to shut down Jitney Services at the very beginning of the existence of automobiles.

02:15:31.000 They put minority businesses, minority taxi companies, independent companies, they're called Jitney Taxis, they put them out of business even though they didn't want to go to those areas because of the violence in those areas.

02:15:42.000 You had small entrepreneurs who were black, for example, that would go into those areas, that would take the risk, they wanted to serve those areas, but they outlawed it using the taxi system.

02:15:52.000 Now you've got this fight with Uber and the taxi companies, and you've got a lot of local governments that are pushing back against Uber, and I see a lot of conservatives and libertarians taking the side of Uber, not understanding where this is eventually going to go.

02:16:06.000 They're not just going to put out the taxi companies.

02:16:09.000 Uber has said they want to get rid of their own drivers.

02:16:12.000 They're looking for drivers right now, but he has gone on record saying, you know what makes our service expensive, what makes taxis expensive?

02:16:19.000 It's that other dude in the car.

02:16:20.000 Once we get rid of him, we become cheap.

02:16:22.000 And we become so cheap that we make private ownership of cars go away.

02:16:28.000 So it's not just your right to protect yourself, but it's your right to be able to move without government control, government monitoring of your computer-controlled car.

02:16:37.000 And I think that's something that's very concerning, but of course it's going to hit people in the transportation industry like you the hardest, the earliest.

02:16:45.000 Yeah, like I said, I'm not a trucker, I am an electrician.

02:16:49.000 Oh, okay, okay, sorry, yes.

02:16:51.000 Yeah, it's okay, okay.

02:16:52.000 But my thing of it is, we need a Google bomb, we need to be on the CBs, we need to be in the truck stops, we need to be advertising InfoWars on their media sites where the truckers go all the time.

02:17:03.000 We need to get the truckers involved because, look, this country is going to be shut down.

02:17:07.000 It's inevitable.

02:17:08.000 I say let's shut it down on our terms, David.

02:17:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:12.000 I agree.

02:17:13.000 We can shut this country down. 0.97

02:17:15.000 We can bankrupt all these criminal corporate thieves.

02:17:18.000 And we can tell our government, we run this country, not you.

02:17:24.000 And we can put them in fear.

02:17:25.000 And I just don't know.

02:17:27.000 That's what I'm thinking.

02:17:28.000 And I could be right or wrong.

02:17:30.000 But as of right now, it's the only industry in the U.S.

02:17:33.000 that is ran by the people that have that much power.

02:17:36.000 Actually, more power than two country standing armies, I believe.

02:17:41.000 the trucking industry has.

02:17:41.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 You know, so that's my point on that.

02:17:45.000 Also, I wanted to say that because I called in one other time.

02:17:48.000 I'm not called in in 15 years.

02:17:50.000 I've been listening forever.

02:17:51.000 And I called in, and I got 20 seconds, and I went over the drug report.

02:17:56.000 And I just want to say, and I need you guys, your reporters back there, to go to the, it's called the Competitive Enterprise Institute, or you can Google how Matt Drudge and other Obamacare victims can escape the Liberty Tax.

02:18:14.000 And if you read that article and you scroll down under the Obamacare guidelines, it exempts for what they call They are healthcare sharing ministries which are exempt from Obamacare, and if you get insurance through them, you don't have to pay the fine.

02:18:34.000 Yes, Samaritan Ministries is one, Medicare, MediShare, something like that is another one.

02:18:40.000 Those are Christian ministries, and yeah, you can opt out taking the Taking the option of doing it on a religious basis, and those are great ministries.

02:18:49.000 We belong to Samaritan Ministries.

02:18:52.000 They essentially are helping each other by sending their premiums directly to the person who has a need each month.

02:18:59.000 You pay a small annual, and it is a small annual fee to handle the administrative stuff of it, but most of your money is going directly to people That you know what their problem is.

02:19:10.000 You can send them money.

02:19:11.000 They tell you what their problem is so you can pray for them.

02:19:13.000 It's a great ministry and it also gets you out of this Obamacare situation.

02:19:18.000 Did you want to say anything else about that?

02:19:21.000 Yeah, I just wanted you guys to report on that.

02:19:24.000 That's all.

02:19:25.000 Just cover it and maybe explain it to people so maybe they could go there and avoid this because I'm a business owner too.

02:19:32.000 But also, I got a question and then I got a statement.

02:19:36.000 One, the .22 ammo, it was like impossible to get.

02:19:40.000 Now 22 mags are impossible to get.

02:19:43.000 You can get the 22 longs, you know, so you can go in your backyard and play around.

02:19:48.000 I want to know why, why are, you can get, you can get the .223s, the .55s, you know, you can get all the ammo, but 22... We're almost out of time.

02:19:55.000 Make it quick.

02:19:56.000 I don't understand why.

02:19:57.000 Why you were saying shortages and certain things like that?

02:20:00.000 Yeah, well, I don't know except that I know they understand that they need to take away our ammunition.

02:20:05.000 We're going to be right back with more of your calls.

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02:24:26.000 In this next segment, we're going to try to get through as many callers as we can.

02:24:30.000 And then joining us at the bottom of the hour is Dr. Jerome Corsi, writer for WND.

02:24:35.000 And of course, he has discovered that Obama did not sign his executive order.

02:24:40.000 We're going to talk to him about what's behind that.

02:24:43.000 But right now, I want to go back to your calls.

02:24:44.000 Let's go to Dean in Florida.

02:24:46.000 You had a comment about the executive order that we're going to be talking about in the next segment.

02:24:51.000 Go ahead.

02:24:52.000 Yes, how you doing, Dave?

02:24:54.000 Doing good.

02:24:56.000 Yeah, I actually have a couple of points, but addressing the executive order, what it seems to me from what I understand about government and having, you know, lived 51 years, I really think that it's obviously not Obama who's doing this all on his own.

02:25:18.000 I think it's important to recognize this is a conspiracy between all three branches of the government.

02:25:23.000 Oh yes, they could easily stop it.

02:25:26.000 What's going on here is the House and the Senate and the President are all bought and paid for, and they are doing the will of those who we do not see.

02:25:37.000 I mean, the invisible or shadow type of government.

02:25:41.000 Yes.

02:25:42.000 So we're really an oligarchy.

02:25:44.000 We're not what we appear to be, and it's quite unfortunate.

02:25:50.000 And let me interrupt you for a second there and say I teased the interview last night.

02:25:53.000 We're going to air it in full on Monday night, but I talked to Greg Morris, who's somebody that was involved with the SNL scandals from the very beginning.

02:26:02.000 And he's made this exact point.

02:26:03.000 He's done a lot of detailed research just as Dr. Corsi has on this executive order.

02:26:07.000 He's done a lot of detailed research on exactly what happened and what created this mortgage crisis that we experienced beginning, noticed beginning in 2008.

02:26:17.000 He's come up with some very specific documented claims.

02:26:21.000 He's filed RICO statutes.

02:26:23.000 He also explains in this interview how this is the largest case of tax evasion and security fraud we have ever seen in this country.

02:26:31.000 And he has a freeway if you want to stand up and be counted.

02:26:35.000 You know, as we said earlier when we were talking to Lionel, people who get frustrated, sometimes they just get even more frustrated if they don't have a goal, if they don't have a course of action, if they just show up to protest.

02:26:47.000 He's got something to put it right in their face, to expose this to the public.

02:26:51.000 If we get enough signatures behind the 15,000 pages of documents that he's produced to produce this and have some hearings and congressional hearings on this.

02:27:01.000 Anyway, you need to listen to that interview.

02:27:03.000 I won't plug that anymore, but go back to your point that you were making about this being a full spectrum Well, it was actually one of four quick points, so I'll do this as fast as I can.

02:27:21.000 It's you know it's it's quite it's quite obvious um you know that what's going on here is a is an absolutely it's a conspiracy and these congressmen it doesn't it doesn't matter who you vote for anymore um you can vote for you you can you can vote for any of these people all of the all of these people are doing and are going to do the bidding of Those who truly control everything.

02:27:48.000 And look the other way, yes.

02:27:53.000 And the other, if I could go on to two other points real quick.

02:27:56.000 Sure, go ahead, quickly.

02:27:58.000 Yeah, okay.

02:27:59.000 I also wanted to say that one of the things that's very important for us to do and important for all the radio talk show hosts to do that are truly liberty-minded is it's very important for us to publicly call on all law enforcement agencies to obey the Constitution

02:28:20.000 of the United States is put forth by the founders and to absolutely disregard, no matter what they're told, disregard any illegal orders that they are given.

02:28:33.000 Even if it costs them their job.

02:28:37.000 And we just had a story a couple of days ago about officers in Normal, Illinois, filing lawsuits, several officers filing lawsuits saying that they've been given quotas, not only just for things like traffic tickets, but given felony quotas that they needed to file against people.

02:28:51.000 And they said, we're not going to do that.

02:28:52.000 We're not going to make up charges against people just to meet your quotas to show that we're accomplishing something.

02:28:58.000 So they filed these these rank and file officers have filed a lawsuit against their own police department.

02:29:03.000 We need more people like that.

02:29:05.000 And I think it's important to make that call out there to to support people when they do the right thing.

02:29:09.000 Go ahead.

02:29:11.000 And yeah, that's that's extremely important.

02:29:14.000 And, you know, as as we see, police are, you know, law enforcement's getting very, very tough on the population.

02:29:23.000 And they really obviously they really need to be getting tough on the ones who are really doing wrong, which are going to do, which is the people on the top.

02:29:33.000 The last point I wanted to make real quickly was in regards to reporting on protests, especially Ferguson.

02:29:41.000 Hurry, we're just about out of time.

02:29:42.000 Yep, hurry. 0.96

02:29:43.000 Yeah, the only thing I wanted to say was it's important to note that that's what's being shown when you see vandalism and stuff like that.

02:29:51.000 This may not be... Yes, absolutely.

02:29:51.000 Yes.

02:29:54.000 And of course they turned the other way when it was vandalism because somebody was excited or upset about a sporting event.

02:30:00.000 We're gonna be right back with Dr. Jerome Corsi.

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02:35:11.000 Now going to Dr. Corsi.

02:35:13.000 Corsi is a senior staff writer for WorldNetDaily, WND.

02:35:16.000 He's also an investigative reporter.

02:35:18.000 Emphasis on the investigative part because he went down and looked at the actual executive order to see if it was filed, to see if it was signed.

02:35:27.000 Guess what?

02:35:28.000 It wasn't.

02:35:29.000 What's behind that?

02:35:30.000 Does Obama have so much contempt for the process that he doesn't even bother to sign his edicts anymore?

02:35:36.000 Or is there something else there?

02:35:38.000 Is he trying to distance himself from something that is impeachable?

02:35:42.000 I want to get Dr. Corsi's take on that.

02:35:45.000 Dr. Corsi, thank you for joining us.

02:35:46.000 A great pleasure to be with you.

02:35:48.000 Thank you very much.

02:35:49.000 Now this is a very interesting case and it's picked up by the Drudge Report.

02:35:53.000 You've been a couple of days with us and you verified with the National Archives Librarian, Jeffrey Hartley, that yes, there has been no documentation filed about this executive order.

02:36:04.000 Tell everybody about that.

02:36:06.000 Well, it started, I got tipped off by a good friend on Wall Street who called me up yesterday very early in the day and said, you know, he couldn't find the executive order that Barack Obama signed implementing the speech on November 20th when Obama addressed the nation and said he was going to recommend this deferred prosecution for the

02:36:32.000 Basically the illegal immigrant kids who have come into the United States to keep families together, basically. 0.96

02:36:42.000 I said, well, let me look for it.

02:36:43.000 I started looking around and I said, well, you know, I can't find it either.

02:36:46.000 About halfway through the day, I realized that there was some sleight of hand being played here by the White House because what Obama had done was give the impression, and the White House gave the impression.

02:37:01.000 I mean, I'm getting the press releases from the White House, the pool reports.

02:37:06.000 I'm looking through those.

02:37:07.000 The general impression is that there's going to be an Obama executive order signed.

02:37:12.000 Obama flies on the 21st to Vegas in the airplane.

02:37:17.000 He signs two executive orders on immigration.

02:37:21.000 And four reporters are allowed to watch this, but no print reporters or reporters that would ask questions are allowed into the compartment in Air Force One where President Obama is making the signatures.

02:37:21.000 Wow.

02:37:33.000 And so everybody just assumed that those were the executive orders implementing.

02:37:38.000 The deferred prosecution to allow these five million work authorization visas to be given to the parents of the Dreamers.

02:37:48.000 Yeah, that's what everybody was talking about.

02:37:49.000 It's like a massive expansion of the Dreamer Act.

02:37:52.000 Everybody was talking about that.

02:37:53.000 Everybody was saying, he signed this executive order, and he's going back and forth saying that.

02:37:57.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:37:58.000 Well, I mean, it's interesting because the two we signed had nothing to do with this.

02:38:02.000 One, we created a task force.

02:38:05.000 To study new immigrants coming into the United States.

02:38:08.000 The other said the Secretaries of State and the Secretaries of DHS should get together and find ways to save money and make more efficient the issuing of immigrant and non-immigrant visas.

02:38:22.000 I found both of those in the Presidential Executive Orders on the White House website filed appropriately.

02:38:28.000 I found the only implementing order had been a memo written by the Department of Human Services' Jay Johnson head.

02:38:39.000 That was a memo instructing that they were going to do deferred prosecution on this class of, you know, of Dreamer parents for three years.

02:38:50.000 Only three years.

02:38:52.000 And there was nothing else that did it.

02:38:53.000 So I began really searching around and realized then that Johnson had signed this memo but had not filed it in the Federal Register.

02:39:03.000 Which is another problem because federal agencies making rules, new rules, they're supposed to file them for comment in the Federal Register.

02:39:12.000 So kind of the final couple steps I took where I contacted of the Attorney General's office in Texas, Greg Abbott's office, because they had led the suit of 17 states filing against the Department of Homeland, against the Obama administration.

02:39:29.000 Yes.

02:39:30.000 And I decided I better figure out what that was about.

02:39:33.000 And Abbott said, well, you know, they too had concluded there was no executive order.

02:39:39.000 It was all based on a Memo that Johnson signed on his own authority.

02:39:44.000 So we then contacted the National Archives, and the National Archives confirmed that they too couldn't find an executive order.

02:39:51.000 So this was all sleight of hand.

02:39:52.000 So as you point out, head fake question mark.

02:39:55.000 Obama never signed an amnesty order.

02:39:57.000 It was a head fake, like his swearing to the poll of the Constitution was a head fake, right?

02:40:04.000 I think I've got another piece coming out shortly that tries to put this all together, but I think that The Obama people realize at the White House that they did not have the authority.

02:40:15.000 Finally, they figured it out.

02:40:18.000 As Obama has been saying for years, to change the law, which is what he wanted to do, so he kind of shuffled it off to Jay Johnson and said, you change the law, and I'll make like I'm changing the law.

02:40:33.000 This is unbelievable.

02:40:34.000 Here's a guy who, as we've pointed out many times, he said 22 times, I'm not a dictator, I can't just arbitrarily change the law, then he says, I changed the law.

02:40:44.000 He talks about his executive amnesty that he's done, and then when he's heckled by people who wanted him to do more, he says, I changed the law for y'all.

02:40:52.000 And then he comes back and says this colloquial speech, and yet he didn't even bother to sign or file any of this stuff that was all a head fake, right?

02:40:59.000 And so, you know, I'm kind of, I think there's some serious legal ramifications of this, which is what I'm writing about today.

02:41:06.000 But I mean, first of all, the context, when I wrote The Obama Nation in 2008 about Obama, I said it was, you know, never experienced as an executive.

02:41:16.000 He's a radical leftist, Saul Alinsky trained, you know, community organizer, and he'll tell you what you want to hear.

02:41:24.000 And I think we're now living in the Gruber era, after Jonathan Gruber, our MIT professor, has come out and blathered about how much smarter he is than all the rest of us, and he's so smart that he can pull off lying to us for our own good.

02:41:40.000 Yeah, we need to change his name and make it a verb.

02:41:43.000 We say we Gruber-ed the data, we tortured it in a purpose to lie and to deceive, and I guess we could say that Obama Gruber-ed his executive order.

02:41:51.000 Obama Gruber-ed amnesty.

02:41:54.000 That's the story of Bob Gruber.

02:41:56.000 He didn't do any executive order.

02:41:58.000 All just a big head fake.

02:42:00.000 I mean, thanks everybody for listening to the November 20th speech from the East Room of the Oval Office.

02:42:06.000 Nice big central hall behind him.

02:42:08.000 It was really an impressive facade, you know?

02:42:11.000 This is amazing.

02:42:12.000 Now, they said at the Texas Attorney General's office, Governor-elect Greg Abbott said they were aware of this.

02:42:18.000 I mean, what's the implication of this for the lawsuit that they've filed?

02:42:24.000 It's got some pretty serious implications.

02:42:26.000 I mean, one of the implications are that Jay Johnson's out there on his own.

02:42:33.000 And if anybody's going to get criminally prosecuted for spending money that wasn't authorized, you know, it'll be Jay Johnson now.

02:42:40.000 And Obama can say, well, you know, I don't know what he did.

02:42:43.000 He did whatever he wanted to do.

02:42:44.000 I didn't tell him to do that.

02:42:46.000 Jay Johnson changed the law.

02:42:47.000 I didn't change the law.

02:42:49.000 I didn't build it, he did it.

02:42:51.000 It's the same thing Obama is saying about Lois Lerner.

02:42:54.000 Obama gives speech after speech after speech saying how we've got a Tea Party and Citizens United and they're taking advantage of the tax deferred and Lois Lerner says, well I'll fix that.

02:43:08.000 I'll make sure none of them get through.

02:43:09.000 Yeah.

02:43:11.000 So she creates an enemies list and starts discriminating, which is against the law, against political applications on political basis for tax-deferred status.

02:43:20.000 Well here, again, Obama gives out the message, this big speech, November 20th, and Jay Johnson says, oh, don't worry about that, Mr. President, you don't have to sign anything.

02:43:29.000 I'll go ahead and do an executive order for it.

02:43:31.000 You don't have to do an executive order.

02:43:32.000 I'll do a memo.

02:43:34.000 No.

02:43:35.000 And so, I mean, the next thing we're going to do is Obama will say, I'm going to give you an executive order, not sign one, put it in the drawer and say, I'll tell you what it means later on.

02:43:44.000 Well, you know, this is very troubling on a lot of different issues because we really have hit into this Alice in Wonderland government that we've got here.

02:43:53.000 Even my previous guest, Joe Woolverton, talking about the UN Arms Trade Treaty, they're saying they're going to declare that that's effective on December 24th.

02:44:03.000 We haven't ratified that in the Senate, and yet we've had John Kerry, Secretary of State, sign the UN ATT, and of course it brings up a lot of questions about really what they're doing under color of law, things that they don't have legal authority to do, that they're just completely bypassing Congress, having department heads or having bureaucracies take action, and then knowing that the Department of Justice has got their back if anybody comes after them for criminal operations, like we see with the IRS.

02:44:33.000 Well, exactly.

02:44:34.000 I mean, the thing that really amazed me about the immigration, you know, the non-executive order, executive order, was that the White House took so many pains to, you know, to cover this.

02:44:46.000 First of all, we go back very carefully, they only said executive action, which means just, you know, a policy statement.

02:44:54.000 Not executive order, but nobody picked that up, especially when Obama flew the next day to Las Vegas and made this big deal of signing two executive orders on immigration, letting them photograph all that.

02:45:10.000 So of course everybody thought he was signing the executive orders that implemented The dreamers amnesty for the parents that he had promised the night before in the speech from the East Room.

02:45:25.000 But that isn't what he did.

02:45:26.000 He created a couple task forces and told people to go study things. 0.94

02:45:31.000 It's ridiculous.

02:45:32.000 When I look at this, it reminds me of These cases people are looking at of excessive police force, where they're looking at this and saying, wait a minute, we don't really have a prosecutor who's really interested in investigating this. 0.92

02:45:44.000 You know, we've got Obama, who is essentially killing, or has killed, many segments of this economy.

02:45:51.000 Killed our legal system, is trying to kill our economy.

02:45:54.000 And of course, we've got a Department of Justice prosecutor who's basically sitting on the sidelines and saying, I don't care if you use the IRS as against your political enemies.

02:46:02.000 I don't care if you do this, I don't care if you do that.

02:46:04.000 Basically giving him a pass.

02:46:05.000 This is the entire country that's being killed with this kind of lawlessness done under color of law.

02:46:12.000 And making it look like law procedures are being used.

02:46:16.000 That's what's so offensive about what Obama's done here.

02:46:19.000 And it made me wonder too, you know, I've also written about Vice President Biden has been to the Inter-American Bank and he said we're going to give refugee status to the next wave of so-called unaccompanied minors coming from Central America.

02:46:32.000 Well, refugee status is a term of the United Nations and so I'm wondering if Obama is going to apply UN law and say these kids get into the United States with a real pass and a special route to citizenship because they're refugees under the UN.

02:46:49.000 I mean, you could even start sending airplanes down to El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala at the expense of the federal government to pick these kids up as refugees to save them the indignity of coming across Mexico to illegally cross into the United States.

02:47:03.000 Oh yeah, I think some people have suggested that.

02:47:05.000 You know, that's the thing is we cannot take and care for all of the poor of the world.

02:47:10.000 We can try to, in the past they have, individuals have, the government has tried to help people to get a leg up, to get started in their own economy, but basically no country can take on everybody as Obama wants to do, unless you want to deliberately implode the economy in a Cloward and Piven strategy.

02:47:28.000 And of course, that I believe is what is there.

02:47:30.000 So he's directly attacking our economy, attacking our energy industry, going to China, negotiating this deal with them, saying that we're going to reduce our energy output by 25% over the next 11 years.

02:47:42.000 But China can continue to build these dirty power plants, because this is all in the name of global warming, yet global warming doesn't seem to be a problem when the Chinese are doing it. 0.87

02:47:50.000 They can continue to build Well, I mean, first of all, it also means you can't believe anything Obama says.

02:47:54.000 It's a point I've been making from the beginning.

02:47:56.000 This guy will tell you what you want to hear.

02:47:57.000 16 years.

02:47:58.000 So we see that he's trying to take down the economy.

02:48:00.000 He's trying to take down our legal system.

02:48:02.000 And of course, the Republicans are playing ball with him, aren't they?

02:48:05.000 Well, I mean, first of all, it also means you can't believe anything Obama says.

02:48:09.000 It's the point I've been making for the from the beginning.

02:48:13.000 This guy will tell you what you want to hear.

02:48:15.000 He'll create an illusion that he's being illegal and behind the scenes.

02:48:19.000 You know, he's got this this, you know, the slippery deal going on with Jay Johnson.

02:48:25.000 You know, hey, wink, wink.

02:48:26.000 I mean, two organized criminals couldn't have done it better.

02:48:28.000 Let's go outside and talk.

02:48:29.000 We don't want to talk this deal in here.

02:48:31.000 Don't let it be you that made the deal, boss.

02:48:33.000 We'll let this guy down the road make the deal.

02:48:36.000 It's all the insulation, the... Well, you know, Dr. Corsi... I didn't sign anything.

02:48:42.000 Yeah, well, when I look at that...

02:48:44.000 In a sense, I see a parallel to what our legislative branch has been doing for a long time with the regulatory agencies.

02:48:51.000 I know Rand Paul has addressed this to some extent with a lot of reforms, because they don't want to take the heat for a lot of unpopular things.

02:48:59.000 So in many cases, what they'll do is they'll create an agency, give it broad mission strokes, but not write the actual laws and let the laws be written By these unelected bureaucrats. 0.97

02:49:11.000 And then if they step over, the Congress can come in like knights on white horses and say, we're here to rescue you from this regulatory overreach.

02:49:19.000 They've been putting this off to the regulatory agencies in the same way that Obama is putting this executive order off on Jay Johnson, haven't they?

02:49:27.000 Well, and there's a comparability.

02:49:29.000 I mean, certainly the EPA and eliminating coal on the basis of Clean Air, Clean Water Act, I mean, that's legislating.

02:49:38.000 And here you basically got to re... This is legislating.

02:49:41.000 This is saying, you know, a class of people that should be deported.

02:49:46.000 We're just not going to deport them.

02:49:48.000 I mean, this is not prosecutorial discretion.

02:49:51.000 Prosecutorial discretion to me means, you know, I'm the district attorney and I'm not going to bring this case to criminal trial because there's not good enough evidence.

02:50:00.000 It doesn't mean that, hey, anybody who goes through a red light's okay with me because they don't have time to prosecute anybody.

02:50:07.000 That's right.

02:50:08.000 That's right.

02:50:09.000 Absolute criminal behavior.

02:50:10.000 But again, as I say, I think we see this also in the case of regulatory agencies and it's something that's been going back through several administrations.

02:50:18.000 This has become an established fact.

02:50:21.000 I mean, we look at this situation... Obamacare.

02:50:23.000 Obamacare is the same way.

02:50:24.000 Obamacare, they pass, you know, a bill that was already humongous and then it gets expanded in the bureaucracy.

02:50:31.000 So, you know, A pile of paper six foot tall becomes a pile of paper 26 feet tall after the regulators get finished with it.

02:50:39.000 That's right.

02:50:40.000 IRS is the same way.

02:50:41.000 Who could read the tax code anymore after you get finished with the IRS regulations?

02:50:46.000 When Nancy Pelosi said, we have to pass it so we can find out what's in it, I don't think she was simply talking about what was in the regulations.

02:50:53.000 I think she was talking about once they let this gigantic regulatory monster that they're going to create Work at it for a while, then they're gonna see what it looks like, but they're basically punting that off to them.

02:51:04.000 We're gonna be right back with Dr. Jerome Corsi, and then we'll take your calls in overdrive.

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02:54:14.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:54:19.000 Morning at the mine, you could see him arrive.

02:54:22.000 He stood six foot six and weighed 245.

02:54:24.000 Kind of broad at the shoulder, narrowed the hip.

02:54:27.000 And everybody knew you didn't give no lift.

02:54:30.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:54:31.000 I'm David Knight, and we're talking to Dr. Jerome Corsi of WND.com.

02:54:35.000 Investigative reporter, as well as a senior staff writer, expert on political violence and terrorism.

02:54:44.000 He uncovered the fact that, of course, Obama's executive order for amnesty was really just a head fake.

02:54:51.000 He never signed anything, never filed anything, and of course, Dr. Corsi, as you point out, Jay Johnson has put something there, but he has not followed the procedures for new regulations in terms of a guidelines to have a comment period and that sort of thing.

02:55:08.000 Where are we now with this?

02:55:09.000 Now that Obama's been lying to everybody, saying that he was changing the law, that he was doing an executive order for amnesty, and then there isn't any executive order, there's just an order from Jay Johnson to say that they're not going to take action against people who are here.

02:55:26.000 What does that say about this lawsuit that was filed by the 17 different states?

02:55:32.000 Are they still focused on Obama?

02:55:35.000 Are they going to focus on Jay Johnson at DHS?

02:55:38.000 What happens with this?

02:55:39.000 Well, the lawsuit focuses on both, and it's really asking for injunctive relief.

02:55:44.000 It's asking to have the U.S. 0.83

02:55:47.000 District Court issue an order that just stops all this for a while, to sort it out.

02:55:54.000 I think that the... But then, of course, if they stop it, I mean, what their executive order is saying is that they're not going to do anything.

02:56:02.000 So, I mean, can we force them to obey and enforce the law?

02:56:07.000 I mean, when we do an injunction?

02:56:08.000 Yes.

02:56:09.000 The injunction by stopping the implementation of Jay Johnson's memo would mean that they could not start issuing Uh, these, um, work authorizations or give insured non-deportation status to the parents of the Dreamers for three years, which is what Johnston's memo said.

02:56:29.000 So that all stops.

02:56:30.000 They can't hire a bureaucracy.

02:56:31.000 They can't begin issuing these cards.

02:56:34.000 They can't open offices.

02:56:35.000 They can't process anything if the court just stops it.

02:56:38.000 Now, a stopping motion Kind of tries to prevent any more damage to be done.

02:56:43.000 You could still have defunding action by the Congress.

02:56:47.000 You could have legal action that could be criminal investigations, whether Jay Johnson had authorized the spending of money that was not authorized by Congress.

02:56:56.000 That is a criminal violation under U.S.

02:56:59.000 law.

02:57:00.000 You know, there are various actions that could be taken, but it depends.

02:57:04.000 I think the political reality is that in the lame duck Congress, You're not going to get very much settled.

02:57:13.000 In other words, this is going to be a pass-the-buck experience until January.

02:57:18.000 And if the 17 states did get an injunctive relief, then you couldn't get to January with the program already being implemented.

02:57:29.000 It would be an abeyance.

02:57:31.000 Congress would come in with Republican majorities, and I think the Tea Party and conservative voices within the Republican Party would have to steal a lot more of the leadership of Boehner and McConnell when they come back and realize that they have a larger number of Republicans in both House and Senate, and they were elected because Obama's policies were repudiated.

02:57:56.000 So you might get a tougher GOP Congress in January, even Boehner and McConnell are counting on.

02:58:06.000 What's going to happen though is that even if they can block them from doing some of these positive actions, and I know they had printed up 34 million cards to give people and so forth, they can't stop them from issuing that kind of thing.

02:58:18.000 Still, the message that he put out there, that he was able to get out there with his head fake, is an incentive for more illegal immigration.

02:58:27.000 Knowing that at some point they're going to work out the details and these people are going to get to stay here with subsidies and that sort of thing.

02:58:32.000 I agree.

02:58:33.000 It's a green light.

02:58:34.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Corsi, and we're going to look forward to seeing what you uncover and seeing how this turns out.

02:58:34.000 Well, we're out of time.

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02:58:41.000 Stay with us right after the break.

02:58:42.000 We're going to take the people who are on the line right now, try to get through as many of those calls as we can.

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03:00:05.000 You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.

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03:00:27.000 We are now entering overdrive with your host, Alex Jones, broadcasting live from the front lines.

03:00:34.000 If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance.

03:00:41.000 Alright, I'm David Knight and we're back to take some of your calls.

03:00:43.000 I want to move through these quickly.

03:00:45.000 We've had some people waiting on hold for quite some time.

03:00:47.000 Let's go right away to Lisa in Illinois.

03:00:49.000 Lisa?

03:00:51.000 Yes, I'm calling because my son was pulled over for blowing a stop sign that we still can't find where it exists.

03:00:59.000 They put him on probation for a year and told him he cannot have a firearm, possession of a firearm.

03:01:06.000 He has a firearms card and a gun.

03:01:09.000 Wow.

03:01:10.000 And I asked him, what do you want him to do with the gun?

03:01:13.000 The court said he has to give it to somebody who has a firearms card.

03:01:17.000 And I said, well, that would be me.

03:01:19.000 And they said, well, do you live with him?

03:01:21.000 I said, yes, I do.

03:01:23.000 They said, you can't have it either.

03:01:24.000 Wow.

03:01:25.000 So they've instructed me to remove the gun from the house.

03:01:29.000 And I don't understand how a gun has anything to do with a traffic violation.

03:01:34.000 Well, that's how they're expanding this.

03:01:36.000 They're, you know, we heard in the wake of a lot of these shootings, conservatives who would normally be supportive of gun rights saying, well, we need to look at people for psychological evaluation and take that away, take their guns away from them if there's some issue about that.

03:01:50.000 But of course, who gets to decide that?

03:01:52.000 What kind of a due process do you have?

03:01:54.000 And of course, you say it was for a stop sign violation?

03:01:59.000 They came after your son?

03:02:00.000 They wouldn't arrest him.

03:02:01.000 He told them, arrest me, take me to jail.

03:02:03.000 They said, no, we will not.

03:02:05.000 He said, well, if you're taking my truck and you're not arresting me, how do I get home?

03:02:08.000 They said, walk.

03:02:10.000 They confiscated his car?

03:02:12.000 For a stop sign violation.

03:02:12.000 Yes.

03:02:14.000 What part of Illinois are you in?

03:02:15.000 I'm in Joliet, the city of Joliet.

03:02:18.000 Wow, that's amazing.

03:02:20.000 Do you have jury trials there for traffic courts?

03:02:24.000 Yeah, he pleaded innocent and the public defender came up and said, this is what we want.

03:02:32.000 You will A thousand dollar fine, and you will do a hundred hours of community service.

03:02:38.000 You will remove your gun from your home.

03:02:41.000 And then he had to transfer the gun, which I did that for him.

03:02:45.000 But this was over a stop sign violation?

03:02:48.000 Like, oh, we have a transfer form here.

03:02:50.000 Oh, officer, here you go.

03:02:52.000 Yeah, but wait a minute.

03:02:53.000 What was he found guilty of?

03:02:56.000 Breaking, going through a stop sign?

03:02:58.000 Yeah.

03:02:59.000 And we can't find the stop sign.

03:03:00.000 We keep asking them, where's the stop sign?

03:03:02.000 You claim it's at this intersection.

03:03:04.000 There's no stop sign there.

03:03:05.000 Wow.

03:03:05.000 They're like, oh, someone called in and they're seeing him blow the stop sign at 11 o'clock at night.

03:03:10.000 Wow.

03:03:11.000 People are calling in to report blown stop signs at 11 o'clock at night.

03:03:14.000 I don't think so.

03:03:15.000 Yeah, there's definitely something else going on.

03:03:18.000 Well, I'm sorry to hear that.

03:03:19.000 You know, that's just another illustration of how people can get railroaded.

03:03:23.000 And we talk about, we hear people all the time say, well, you should take the guns of people who have been found guilty of a felony.

03:03:28.000 You know, it's a felony ...in Florida to release a helium balloon on certain beaches at certain times of the year.

03:03:35.000 They charge one man down there with four felonies for releasing four balloons.

03:03:38.000 Should he have all of his guns confiscated?

03:03:40.000 Should he be considered a felon?

03:03:42.000 Should he lose his voting rights or whatever?

03:03:44.000 I'm so sorry that happened to you, Lisa.

03:03:46.000 Let's go to Ned in Oregon.

03:03:47.000 Ned?

03:03:49.000 Yeah, hi.

03:03:50.000 Hey.

03:03:51.000 A couple things.

03:03:53.000 One is that The U.N.

03:03:55.000 has no power over the U.S.

03:03:57.000 Constitution.

03:03:58.000 I don't care what they sign or anything like that.

03:04:00.000 It has no power over the U.S.

03:04:01.000 Constitution.

03:04:03.000 It's a very sacred document in that regards.

03:04:06.000 But the other issue, too, about guns that I think is ludicrous is that there are millions and millions of guns out there that aren't registered.

03:04:15.000 And there's nothing that can be done about it.

03:04:17.000 They don't know where they're at.

03:04:18.000 They don't know who has them or anything.

03:04:21.000 What they will do is they will strangle people by going after the spare parts, by going after the ammunition.

03:04:28.000 Whether they get that through with the U.N.

03:04:30.000 Arms Trade Treaty, that's the direction that they're going to start heading with this gun control legislation.

03:04:35.000 I agree with you.

03:04:36.000 There is no way that they can legally enforce a UN treaty that hasn't been even ratified by the Senate that conflicts with our Constitution.

03:04:44.000 And yet, we see over and over again that under color of law, we see Obama doing a head fake on amnesty, we see them violating the law on so many different issues.

03:04:54.000 Will they do it with us?

03:04:54.000 Of course they will.

03:04:55.000 They'll say that they have authority to do it and they will have people who will back them up.

03:05:00.000 I'm sorry I couldn't get to the other callers today.

03:05:02.000 Tonight, 7 central, 8 p.m., The Nightly News.

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