Ali Dawah - October 12, 2016


IS CHRISTIANITY POLYTHEISTIC OR MONOTHEISTIC？ ｜｜ SPEAKERS CORNER

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tawheed praying to God vs Muhammad propaganda al-ulihiyya
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Prophet Muhammad Jesus Christ Holy Spirit Ibn Kathir Tashahud Umar Manathan Uza Ya Muhammad Al-Uluhiyya Allahiyah Jeremiah Abraham Shahud Isaiah Alpha Omar Adam John
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In this episode, we debate whether or not we are monotheistic or polytheistic, based on the standards of Islam and what we believe about God and His relationship with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Father.

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00:00:00.000 I'm talking about monotheism or polytheism, that's my debate.
00:00:27.840 If there's anyone who wants to address it, please.
00:00:30.520 No, no, no, no, that's one argument.
00:00:32.200 No, he has no image.
00:00:33.040 No, no, you know why?
00:00:34.060 You know why?
00:00:34.460 No, because the thing is, you guys claim you're monotheistic, but I believe you're monotheistic.
00:00:39.080 That's the debate I want to have, if you want to.
00:00:40.880 You just contradicted yourself.
00:00:42.020 How?
00:00:42.820 You just said, we claim you're monotheistic.
00:00:45.200 Yes.
00:00:46.120 And we are monotheistic.
00:00:47.240 No, you're polytheistic.
00:00:48.000 You said monotheistic.
00:00:48.940 No, you're polytheistic.
00:00:49.660 It's all right, no problem.
00:00:50.540 He believes you're polytheistic.
00:00:51.640 No, no, I believe you're polytheistic.
00:00:52.960 Prove it.
00:00:53.580 Okay, my evidence is basically that...
00:00:56.560 If you are polytheistic, I'll prove that, but go...
00:00:59.020 Okay, good, good, good, good.
00:01:00.020 Okay.
00:01:00.280 So, one second, one second, one second, bro.
00:01:02.300 One second, one second.
00:01:02.900 Yeah?
00:01:03.660 Yeah, one second.
00:01:04.500 I tell you we have tawheed, yeah?
00:01:06.500 We have a principle that we worship Allah.
00:01:09.800 Prove mine first.
00:01:10.760 Not me.
00:01:11.240 I don't have a religion to myself.
00:01:12.720 No, no, prove that I am polytheistic.
00:01:14.240 Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
00:01:14.960 Let me finish.
00:01:15.980 Yeah.
00:01:16.580 We believe in a principle called tawheed, yeah?
00:01:18.700 Al-Uluhiyya, al-Uluhiyya, al-Uluhiyya, no, al-Rububiyya, al-Uluhiyya and asma wa safad.
00:01:24.880 It's worship, singling out God in what He does.
00:01:28.680 Meaning, all power and knowledge is with Allah.
00:01:32.820 Yes?
00:01:33.460 We single out God in worship.
00:01:35.640 Meaning, we worship God and God alone.
00:01:37.600 Not the Prophet Muhammad, not Jesus, not statues, no trees or nothing. 0.98
00:01:40.960 I can prove that.
00:01:41.800 We'll come to that.
00:01:42.460 We'll come to that.
00:01:43.200 The third point is His names and attributes.
00:01:46.120 He's got many names and attributes.
00:01:47.100 The most merciful, the most powerful, the most knowing.
00:01:50.760 Now, I'm just going to prove to you why you're polytheistic based on this standard.
00:01:55.680 Based on your standard, yeah?
00:01:56.740 Based on the standards of Islam, yeah? 1.00
00:01:58.640 Okay.
00:01:59.340 Because you need to understand.
00:02:01.520 Do you believe God Almighty is the most powerful?
00:02:05.240 Of course.
00:02:06.560 Okay.
00:02:06.980 He's all powerful, yeah?
00:02:08.240 Okay.
00:02:08.720 Does He share His power with anything else?
00:02:11.220 No.
00:02:12.360 So, the Holy Spirit and Jesus?
00:02:14.180 That's not sharing.
00:02:15.400 How is that?
00:02:15.800 What is that then?
00:02:16.680 That's not sharing.
00:02:17.660 Okay.
00:02:17.900 So, when Jesus is going to be glorified next to the Father on the day of the end of times,
00:02:22.100 two gods in the same place on His left hand side?
00:02:24.680 One God, three persons.
00:02:26.300 Okay.
00:02:26.980 Okay.
00:02:27.680 When Jesus is being glorified next to the Father, how many beings are there?
00:02:34.140 One being.
00:02:35.540 Okay.
00:02:35.940 Three persons.
00:02:36.580 Okay.
00:02:37.400 God and Jesus being glorified next to God.
00:02:40.700 Next to.
00:02:43.380 Not next to.
00:02:44.660 Like me saying.
00:02:45.360 It doesn't even say that.
00:02:46.460 Yes.
00:02:46.740 It says on the right hand side of God, He'll be glorified.
00:02:49.120 That's not next to.
00:02:49.980 That's referring to authority and power.
00:02:53.540 It's got nothing to do with position.
00:02:55.340 Okay.
00:02:55.360 But do you understand my point?
00:02:56.560 Power.
00:02:57.120 You said authority.
00:02:57.340 I don't understand your point.
00:02:57.920 You're saying next to.
00:02:59.440 Okay.
00:02:59.640 Did you not say?
00:03:00.700 Did you say authority and power?
00:03:02.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:02.960 Okay.
00:03:03.740 So, if He's going to be there with authority and power, we believe the ultimate authority
00:03:10.160 and power knowledge is with God, not with...
00:03:12.420 And that is Jesus, yeah.
00:03:13.640 And Jesus is God, yeah.
00:03:15.140 So then, when they say Jesus will be glorified next to the Father, why do they say Jesus will
00:03:20.260 be glorified on His own?
00:03:22.560 Because God is love and for God to exist in love.
00:03:26.320 What's God in love?
00:03:27.620 Can I explain?
00:03:28.820 Yeah.
00:03:29.240 Love cannot exist on its own.
00:03:32.500 In His nature, love has to love an object.
00:03:36.140 That's someone...
00:03:36.700 Let me explain.
00:03:37.580 So, love was eternal in the beginning.
00:03:40.640 Love coexisted between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
00:03:44.640 Yeah.
00:03:45.080 Do you need to do that again?
00:03:46.060 No, no, no.
00:03:46.960 It coexisted between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, yeah?
00:03:49.520 Yeah.
00:03:50.120 So, Him, God loving you is unconditional because it was eternal, yeah?
00:03:56.040 So, that's why it was between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
00:03:58.740 But Allah on the other side, if He's loving, who was He loving before He created anyone?
00:04:04.280 What we're saying is what you're asking is God needs like another being to love.
00:04:09.740 God...
00:04:10.180 Okay.
00:04:11.200 We believe God is...
00:04:12.800 He doesn't need anything.
00:04:14.080 He's free from any need.
00:04:15.200 I didn't say He needs it.
00:04:15.740 Yeah?
00:04:16.060 It's within Himself.
00:04:17.400 Okay.
00:04:17.560 Love...
00:04:17.880 Yes, love...
00:04:18.900 So, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit is within Himself.
00:04:21.360 That's love.
00:04:21.960 That's eternal.
00:04:22.560 Okay.
00:04:22.940 But when you said Jesus will be next to the God with authority and power, we believe...
00:04:28.500 What you're telling me is God sharing the power.
00:04:31.780 That's not sharing.
00:04:32.880 No, no, but to me, to me, you need to understand...
00:04:34.740 Look, look, pure...
00:04:35.540 That's within the divinity of God.
00:04:37.840 Let me tell you about why I believe we're monotheistic and you're not.
00:04:41.660 Because we believe in Arababiyah, singling out God in what He does. 0.99
00:04:46.060 He's all-powerful.
00:04:47.100 He does everything according to Himself.
00:04:48.400 No, He doesn't need another person coming and moving this or that.
00:04:52.580 He does it inside.
00:04:53.440 Allah has other people coming.
00:04:55.120 Allah is a pre-Islamic God. 1.00
00:04:56.600 It's not an Islamic God. 0.99
00:04:57.560 That's another topic.
00:04:59.000 Right?
00:04:59.300 That's not...
00:04:59.920 I said I could prove that for you too, sir.
00:05:01.500 No, no, no.
00:05:01.940 But the thing is, you need to prove that...
00:05:03.860 No, no, but your premise...
00:05:05.060 Your premise is Allah is a monotheistic God.
00:05:07.440 In Islam, do we not worship God and God alone?
00:05:10.680 No.
00:05:11.240 Okay, where's your evidence for that?
00:05:12.160 Surah 4, 64, 64, 64.
00:05:13.520 Okay, read it please.
00:05:14.740 Take it out.
00:05:15.940 You can use my iPad.
00:05:17.120 I don't know how to operate it.
00:05:18.860 No, just open it.
00:05:21.500 Yeah, hold it like that.
00:05:22.820 It's not just that scripture anyway.
00:05:24.300 Yeah, no, it's fine.
00:05:26.880 Oh, sorry, it's that way.
00:05:29.500 Oh, is it this way?
00:05:30.880 No, 2, 4, 6, 8.
00:05:32.340 Just do this.
00:05:33.880 And then go here.
00:05:35.540 And go to the Quran app.
00:05:37.300 Yeah.
00:05:38.800 Oh, you alright?
00:05:39.540 It's raining?
00:05:39.740 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:40.120 Yeah, that's fine.
00:05:42.700 Just press that.
00:05:44.680 Yeah, choose which to.
00:05:46.660 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:47.960 We did not send any messenger but to be obeyed by the leave of Allah.
00:05:52.420 Had they, after having wronged themselves, come to you and sought forgiveness from Allah,
00:05:58.140 and had the messenger prayed for their forgiveness,
00:06:01.000 they would certainly have found Allah most relenting, very merciful.
00:06:03.860 That's just context, yeah?
00:06:05.100 So, never by your Lord, never shall they become believers,
00:06:08.800 unless they make you judge in the disputes that arise between them.
00:06:14.180 Then find no discomfort in their hearts against what you have decided and surrender to it in total submission.
00:06:21.300 Allah is saying they have to submit to you to become proper believers. 1.00
00:06:26.320 Okay.
00:06:26.820 So, what's the problem in that?
00:06:27.740 Allah and Muhammad, yeah? 0.57
00:06:29.400 They're partners.
00:06:30.200 Okay.
00:06:30.580 Alright, good.
00:06:30.980 Into your scripture.
00:06:31.560 Okay.
00:06:31.940 And I can show you more, but let's exerge that.
00:06:34.500 No, that's fine.
00:06:34.900 So, basically what you're saying is, Allah says, obey me and obey the messenger until they make you a judge between you,
00:06:39.960 that basically they're not true believers.
00:06:42.020 Yeah.
00:06:42.440 And that means that they are, Allah is basically saying,
00:06:46.000 You have to submit to them equally.
00:06:47.680 Okay, good.
00:06:48.420 Okay, so basically what you're trying to say is,
00:06:49.880 I can show you the tafsir of what Umar did, 1.00
00:06:52.360 because why this verse came down,
00:06:54.420 Ibn Kathir said why this verse came down. 0.61
00:06:56.760 Umar cut the neck off.
00:06:58.340 Okay. 0.96
00:06:58.680 Some guy who disagreed with Muhammad.
00:07:01.040 Okay, okay.
00:07:01.560 Just purely...
00:07:02.420 That's out of context what you're talking about.
00:07:04.500 No, that's why this came down.
00:07:04.820 Let's stick to the topic.
00:07:05.700 Let's stick to the topic, yeah?
00:07:06.540 That's why this came down.
00:07:07.160 Let's stick to the topic.
00:07:09.320 That's why you explained the Salah.
00:07:10.340 Okay, okay.
00:07:10.940 But what I'm saying is, let's stick to the topic, yeah?
00:07:13.860 You said that because it's...
00:07:15.380 Are you okay?
00:07:16.200 No, no, it's okay.
00:07:16.880 Yeah, you can close it like that if you want.
00:07:18.560 Yeah?
00:07:19.100 Okay.
00:07:19.640 So, what you're trying to say is that,
00:07:21.160 God Almighty has a partner
00:07:22.700 because he said you need to worship me
00:07:24.820 and obey the messenger, yes?
00:07:26.840 Yeah.
00:07:27.280 Okay, good, good, good, good.
00:07:28.220 They have to submit to him
00:07:29.500 and have no finding in themselves to disobey.
00:07:33.300 That's why you can't criticize Muhammad.
00:07:34.660 Okay, all right, okay.
00:07:35.680 You can't criticize Muhammad.
00:07:36.140 Okay, so basically what you're saying,
00:07:37.720 basically what you're saying
00:07:38.560 is that because of this,
00:07:40.100 Muhammad is a godhead.
00:07:41.320 Of course he is.
00:07:42.020 Okay, so let me disprove that
00:07:43.180 because what that means is,
00:07:44.680 God Almighty says,
00:07:45.460 obey me and obey the messenger.
00:07:47.020 Did the Prophet Muhammad, 1.00
00:07:47.920 peace be upon him,
00:07:48.540 tell us to worship Allah and Allah alone?
00:07:50.200 Muhammad himself.
00:07:51.780 Yeah.
00:07:52.340 Muhammad himself said it, yeah.
00:07:53.420 Okay, all right.
00:07:53.860 So when we obey him in that,
00:07:55.520 does that mean he's a godhead?
00:07:56.740 Yes, he is.
00:07:57.480 Okay.
00:07:58.040 Because the reason why people are killing
00:08:00.500 when you criticize Muhammad
00:08:02.680 is because they see him as God.
00:08:05.000 I think that's too much television.
00:08:06.540 No, that's too much TV.
00:08:07.720 That's Ibn Kathir.
00:08:08.860 I'm giving you Ibn Kathir.
00:08:10.040 You're going to propaganda.
00:08:11.140 I'm asking you a question. 0.98
00:08:11.920 You're saying killing, killing on the side note. 1.00
00:08:13.820 Listen, there's a lot of Christians killing Muslims, 0.99
00:08:16.180 but I don't mention that. 0.99
00:08:16.900 I'm giving you the tafsir. 0.65
00:08:17.960 I'm asking you.
00:08:18.500 Of that verse.
00:08:19.240 Okay, okay.
00:08:19.760 I'm telling you,
00:08:20.720 do we not as Muslims worship the God Almighty
00:08:23.460 by obeying the messenger?
00:08:25.120 Doesn't the messenger say to us?
00:08:26.040 You say that.
00:08:26.640 Okay.
00:08:27.020 Doesn't the messenger say to us?
00:08:28.060 Your actions are different.
00:08:28.560 Okay.
00:08:28.940 Your actions speak more than your words.
00:08:30.400 Okay.
00:08:30.760 Did the Prophet Muhammad tell us 0.56
00:08:32.120 to worship Allah and Allah alone?
00:08:34.100 Yes, he did.
00:08:34.860 The Prophet Muhammad has passed away now.
00:08:36.380 Yeah?
00:08:37.140 Today, do we worship Allah and Allah alone? 0.75
00:08:39.020 Yes, we do.
00:08:39.780 So we obey.
00:08:40.920 But you don't do it like that.
00:08:42.380 One second.
00:08:42.860 I'm telling you.
00:08:43.780 Is there anyone that goes and prays?
00:08:46.560 Show me one Muslim that says, 1.00
00:08:48.560 Oh, Muhammad. 1.00
00:08:50.200 Please give me this.
00:08:51.180 What is Tashahud?
00:08:52.580 Tashahud is praising the Prophet.
00:08:54.860 Meaning?
00:08:55.060 You mentioned Muhammad's name in your prayer.
00:08:56.980 Yes, of course we do.
00:08:57.740 We're praising.
00:08:58.120 Does he hear you?
00:08:58.860 The Prophet, peace be upon you.
00:08:59.620 When we pray for him,
00:09:00.680 the du'as are brought forth to him. 1.00
00:09:03.020 Yes?
00:09:03.420 What I'm trying to say to you is,
00:09:04.940 do you,
00:09:05.360 if your father passed away,
00:09:06.800 if you prayed for him,
00:09:08.080 does that mean you're worshiping him?
00:09:08.900 I don't pray for him.
00:09:09.760 Okay, if you said...
00:09:10.500 That's wrong.
00:09:11.440 The guy's dead.
00:09:12.140 He can't hear me.
00:09:13.220 I pray to God who can hear me.
00:09:14.700 No, no, no.
00:09:15.040 But one second, one second.
00:09:15.760 You don't understand here.
00:09:16.620 That's monotheism.
00:09:17.380 Good, you should do that.
00:09:18.420 You're not doing that.
00:09:19.360 No, no, no.
00:09:19.720 You're missing.
00:09:20.420 No, you're missing the point.
00:09:23.420 The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
00:09:24.880 If I praise him
00:09:26.120 and say he was Almighty's messenger,
00:09:28.440 is that worshiping him?
00:09:29.660 In the press?
00:09:31.700 Yes.
00:09:32.100 In your press?
00:09:32.800 In the prayer.
00:09:33.240 If I'm saying,
00:09:34.160 peace be upon him and his family.
00:09:35.620 You don't say that.
00:09:36.020 You say,
00:09:36.500 Oh, peace be upon you, Muhammad. 0.99
00:09:38.420 Okay.
00:09:38.720 That's the Shahud. 0.97
00:09:39.400 Okay, okay.
00:09:39.800 When you're saying you,
00:09:41.060 he must be able to hear you.
00:09:42.800 No, no, no.
00:09:43.200 You're missing the point.
00:09:44.060 If I go and pray for my dad
00:09:45.960 and say,
00:09:46.480 Oh God.
00:09:47.580 No, one second.
00:09:48.220 No, no.
00:09:48.780 For my dad.
00:09:49.820 But you're not praying for Muhammad.
00:09:50.920 You're praying for Muhammad. 1.00
00:09:51.200 One second, one second.
00:09:52.360 If I'm saying,
00:09:53.420 may peace be upon you,
00:09:55.000 I'm asking God
00:09:55.860 to send peace upon him.
00:09:56.840 No, you're not.
00:09:57.280 Yes, we are.
00:09:58.480 Where's your evidence?
00:09:59.700 Okay, if you're saying
00:10:00.800 that to me,
00:10:02.160 God forbid, yeah?
00:10:03.600 Yeah.
00:10:03.760 What if you die 0.98
00:10:04.640 and I say, 0.97
00:10:05.660 Oh, peace be upon...
00:10:07.140 What's your name?
00:10:07.680 Peace be upon Ali.
00:10:08.480 Oh, peace be upon you, Ali.
00:10:10.380 I'm not directly talking to Allah.
00:10:12.600 I don't understand.
00:10:13.480 I don't understand.
00:10:14.220 I'm talking to you.
00:10:14.900 I don't understand your point.
00:10:16.280 If I am sending peace be upon...
00:10:18.060 Like the Prophet Muhammad, 1.00
00:10:19.600 Moses, Abraham,
00:10:21.480 I'm asking God for mercy upon them.
00:10:24.320 How is that worship?
00:10:25.040 This is how you do it.
00:10:26.220 You say...
00:10:26.640 You know, you know...
00:10:28.160 Allah, yeah? 0.51
00:10:29.440 Allah, I ask you
00:10:30.580 for peace be upon Muhammad. 0.86
00:10:32.580 You don't say...
00:10:33.160 Okay, ask you.
00:10:34.000 Ask who?
00:10:34.860 Ask who?
00:10:35.680 You ask Allah himself.
00:10:36.800 No, no.
00:10:37.420 One second.
00:10:38.120 You talk to Allah himself.
00:10:39.600 In salah, who am I...
00:10:40.580 Muhammad.
00:10:41.320 In salah, who am I praying to?
00:10:44.380 Both of them.
00:10:47.200 Even the sisters got shocked.
00:10:48.620 Yeah?
00:10:48.840 That's the evidence.
00:10:50.220 Of course they are.
00:10:50.760 Because they don't hear this.
00:10:51.840 Guys, when we pray,
00:10:52.920 we're praying to Allah
00:10:53.740 and Allah alone.
00:10:54.740 That's why you say it.
00:10:55.900 But I just explained it.
00:10:57.140 Listen, listen.
00:10:57.840 Why don't you pronounce
00:10:58.860 the name Muhammad
00:10:59.820 in your prayers?
00:11:00.820 Brother, is there any chance
00:11:01.460 we can use that for the camera?
00:11:03.080 Like if you stand next to it.
00:11:05.020 No, no.
00:11:05.420 If you stand next to it
00:11:06.180 for the camera, yeah?
00:11:07.120 Sorry, sorry.
00:11:08.320 No, no.
00:11:09.320 Nothing.
00:11:10.120 Yeah.
00:11:10.540 Yeah, if you just go over the camera.
00:11:11.960 No, no.
00:11:12.900 You're missing something.
00:11:14.200 Praying is what you guys do,
00:11:15.780 which is Allahiyah.
00:11:16.540 That's the second part.
00:11:17.240 I don't mention anyone's name.
00:11:18.780 Do you not pray to God?
00:11:21.000 I pray to God.
00:11:21.800 In the name of?
00:11:22.420 In the name of?
00:11:23.360 In the name of?
00:11:23.880 Jesus is God, brother.
00:11:25.100 One second.
00:11:25.720 One second.
00:11:26.280 One second.
00:11:26.800 One second.
00:11:27.820 But if Muhammad is not God, 0.70
00:11:29.060 so you can't mention
00:11:29.840 his name in your prayers.
00:11:30.640 Listen, you gave me a verse
00:11:32.180 saying that we worship
00:11:33.420 Prophet Muhammad 0.98
00:11:34.480 because Allah said
00:11:35.500 obey me and obey the messenger.
00:11:36.900 I'm asking.
00:11:37.560 He said it.
00:11:38.060 I'll give you the tafsir 1.00
00:11:38.920 of what Muhammad did 0.94
00:11:39.520 in the neck of.
00:11:40.420 Listen, listen.
00:11:41.380 All you're doing
00:11:42.140 is doing propaganda.
00:11:43.520 Listen, listen.
00:11:44.220 Let me make a point.
00:11:45.340 Can I make my point?
00:11:47.600 I'm telling you,
00:11:48.680 God Almighty said
00:11:49.620 obey me and obey the messenger.
00:11:51.040 Do we not,
00:11:52.300 didn't the prophet told us
00:11:53.240 worship Allah and Allah alone?
00:11:55.120 Did he not say that?
00:11:56.140 Okay.
00:11:56.680 One second.
00:11:57.920 Okay.
00:11:58.520 If he taught us
00:11:59.320 to worship Allah and Allah alone,
00:12:00.920 do we not obey the messenger
00:12:02.520 through that?
00:12:03.500 By implementing that?
00:12:04.520 what the scripture says?
00:12:05.340 No.
00:12:08.220 Doesn't it say
00:12:08.920 they have to be a proper believer
00:12:09.860 they have to submit to you.
00:12:11.880 In what?
00:12:12.400 In what?
00:12:13.060 And not find anything in them.
00:12:14.380 In what?
00:12:15.040 In what?
00:12:15.480 In what?
00:12:16.120 To become proper believers.
00:12:17.240 In what?
00:12:17.840 To become proper believers.
00:12:18.540 What's it?
00:12:18.800 In what?
00:12:19.800 What do you mean in what?
00:12:21.240 One second.
00:12:21.880 We need to submit him in what?
00:12:23.600 What do you mean in what?
00:12:24.460 In judgment.
00:12:25.340 Yeah.
00:12:25.880 Okay.
00:12:26.520 So if somebody comes
00:12:27.800 and the prophet Muhammad
00:12:28.920 comes as a judge between us,
00:12:30.420 whatever he says,
00:12:31.620 we obey that.
00:12:32.680 How does that mean worship?
00:12:34.560 Brother,
00:12:35.440 you can't just submit to him
00:12:37.500 if he's wrong.
00:12:39.260 One second.
00:12:39.820 Who said he's wrong?
00:12:41.460 Who said...
00:12:42.060 One second.
00:12:42.380 You have said Allah and Allah alone. 0.94
00:12:44.460 Simple.
00:12:44.880 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said,
00:12:45.840 indeed,
00:12:46.180 if the prophet Muhammad
00:12:46.800 said anything of himself,
00:12:47.860 we would have grabbed him
00:12:48.680 from his jungle vein 1.00
00:12:49.480 and cut it. 0.98
00:12:50.340 Or grab it.
00:12:51.180 So the fact that God...
00:12:52.580 The fact that he says that
00:12:54.020 shows us that we...
00:12:55.080 We're not going...
00:12:55.940 That's another topic, my brother.
00:12:57.640 No, no, no.
00:12:58.500 But no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:12:59.780 I'm giving you context.
00:13:00.660 I'm giving you context.
00:13:01.380 I'm giving you context, yeah?
00:13:02.720 So when it comes...
00:13:03.700 We singled out God Almighty
00:13:06.500 in what he does.
00:13:07.300 We don't say he needs Jesus
00:13:08.940 or Muhammad 0.93
00:13:09.680 to make powers.
00:13:10.840 You do.
00:13:11.240 We don't.
00:13:11.920 We don't.
00:13:12.360 I can expand this topic.
00:13:13.800 We will let them...
00:13:14.480 Expand this topic with more verses.
00:13:15.980 Can I give you more verses?
00:13:16.760 Listen, listen, listen.
00:13:17.220 You can give more verses.
00:13:18.320 But what you're missing here is this.
00:13:19.960 We worship God Almighty alone
00:13:21.600 and we...
00:13:22.560 Look, look.
00:13:22.960 That's your claim.
00:13:24.240 That's your claim.
00:13:25.120 You say that.
00:13:25.700 Listen, listen.
00:13:26.320 Say that.
00:13:26.640 Listen.
00:13:27.100 Show me a single Muslim 1.00
00:13:29.480 that does that.
00:13:30.180 None.
00:13:30.840 So what I'm trying to do is
00:13:31.880 that goes and says,
00:13:33.220 Ya Muhammad.
00:13:34.880 I just showed you the...
00:13:35.820 My brother.
00:13:37.720 My brother.
00:13:38.320 My brother.
00:13:39.080 Look, you can give.
00:13:39.660 Look, take my iPad.
00:13:40.400 Give me scriptures all day, all night.
00:13:41.980 You're missing...
00:13:43.020 You're missing the point.
00:13:44.620 So the point here is this.
00:13:45.580 He's saying you worship Muhammad. 0.96
00:13:46.920 Why?
00:13:47.180 Because Allah said,
00:13:47.740 obey me and obey the messenger.
00:13:49.320 He needs to put your pen on.
00:13:50.660 2, 4, 6, 8.
00:13:52.660 So this is the evidence he's bringing.
00:13:54.480 He's saying that we worship him
00:13:55.680 because we have to obey.
00:13:56.800 Yeah, you do.
00:13:57.440 So do you...
00:13:59.280 For example,
00:14:00.600 when Moses came down with commandments
00:14:01.860 and those who obeyed him,
00:14:03.300 are they worshiping Moses?
00:14:04.340 No.
00:14:05.780 It's got nothing to do with that.
00:14:07.180 It's hard.
00:14:07.760 Didn't Moses come down with commandments?
00:14:09.640 These are prophets.
00:14:10.580 Did he not come with commandments?
00:14:11.560 Yeah.
00:14:11.800 He came with commandments.
00:14:12.680 If anyone...
00:14:13.520 He never said,
00:14:14.260 obey me,
00:14:15.320 submit to me
00:14:16.060 without finding anything inside you
00:14:18.060 to criticize me.
00:14:19.060 To become proper believers.
00:14:20.800 He never said that.
00:14:21.420 If anyone rejects the commandments,
00:14:22.680 what are they doing?
00:14:23.940 Are they disobeying Moses or God?
00:14:25.200 It's the commandments of God.
00:14:26.740 Okay.
00:14:27.600 Thank you.
00:14:28.500 You're not disobeying the commandments of God.
00:14:30.300 Thank you.
00:14:30.560 The commandments of Muhammad. 0.93
00:14:31.660 Thank you.
00:14:32.240 That's why Omar cut the neck of someone
00:14:34.360 who disagreed with the guy.
00:14:35.760 My brother, look, look, look.
00:14:36.580 What you're doing is,
00:14:37.880 you're just going at propaganda.
00:14:39.220 You don't keep talking about killing.
00:14:40.700 It's simple.
00:14:41.460 Moses came with commandments.
00:14:42.620 If Moses... 0.60
00:14:43.540 If anyone disobeys Moses' commandments,
00:14:45.540 it's like you're disobeying God Almighty.
00:14:47.180 It's the same with the Quran. 0.96
00:14:48.080 The prophet came with a revelation.
00:14:50.400 Anyone that disobeys that,
00:14:52.100 they're not only disobeying the message,
00:14:53.360 they're disobeying Allah 0.99
00:14:54.000 because Allah sent those revelations.
00:14:55.780 So that's why
00:14:56.580 you do not single out God
00:14:58.220 in what he does.
00:14:59.120 What you do is,
00:14:59.940 you give powers to other people.
00:15:01.060 Like you said,
00:15:01.500 authority and power.
00:15:02.380 Jesus shares it with God.
00:15:04.040 I didn't say he shares it with God.
00:15:05.500 You said he's going to be glorified.
00:15:06.920 He's got himself.
00:15:07.500 Then why do you pray to the Father?
00:15:08.780 Sorry?
00:15:09.520 Why do you pray to the Father?
00:15:10.680 Because he was a man as well.
00:15:11.720 Thank you.
00:15:12.080 There you go.
00:15:12.300 Okay,
00:15:12.680 let's give this verse
00:15:13.320 or we can go over this place.
00:15:14.020 He's got two natures.
00:15:15.020 Beautiful.
00:15:15.720 But Allah can't do that. 0.98
00:15:16.720 No,
00:15:16.840 but that's why you're polytheistic.
00:15:17.960 No,
00:15:18.220 but do you understand?
00:15:19.380 You know what's the funny thing
00:15:20.100 with our Christian friends?
00:15:20.760 They think it's an ability
00:15:21.960 for God to come and have a pew.
00:15:23.460 They go,
00:15:23.700 look,
00:15:23.840 that's an ability.
00:15:24.480 God can do that.
00:15:25.060 They think it's something good.
00:15:26.120 It's so sad.
00:15:27.040 He can.
00:15:27.440 God can have a pew.
00:15:28.000 God can have a pew.
00:15:29.640 Can Allah do that? 0.98
00:15:30.920 No,
00:15:31.180 he does what he prevents his majesty.
00:15:33.020 I'm better than Allah then. 1.00
00:15:34.120 Really?
00:15:34.680 Okay,
00:15:35.140 can God lie?
00:15:36.180 That's not in his nature.
00:15:37.100 Why?
00:15:38.020 One second.
00:15:39.000 Pew it.
00:15:39.500 One second.
00:15:40.060 Pew it is in his nature.
00:15:41.400 It's a star for Allah.
00:15:42.060 But lying is not.
00:15:43.000 No,
00:15:43.280 becoming a human,
00:15:44.480 he can do that.
00:15:45.480 But he can't lie.
00:15:46.740 That's the devil.
00:15:47.600 Okay.
00:15:47.860 That's not God.
00:15:48.420 Who gives these terms and conditions?
00:15:49.460 Let me give you another verse.
00:15:50.220 Let me give you another verse.
00:15:50.880 Exactly.
00:15:51.660 I've answered that question.
00:15:53.180 Say,
00:15:53.420 O Prophet,
00:15:53.900 if you really love Allah,
00:15:55.180 then follow me.
00:15:56.540 And Allah shall love you
00:15:57.540 and forgive your sins.
00:15:58.800 Allah's most forgiving
00:15:59.860 and most forgiving.
00:16:01.160 Say,
00:16:01.800 Obey Allah
00:16:02.600 and the messenger.
00:16:04.080 There's a separation.
00:16:05.560 Okay.
00:16:05.940 I forgot the Arabic word there.
00:16:07.880 And the messenger.
00:16:09.180 Yes.
00:16:10.720 Wah.
00:16:11.380 Yeah,
00:16:12.000 that's the number.
00:16:12.980 What does wah mean in Arabic?
00:16:15.300 Partnership.
00:16:16.100 Okay.
00:16:16.760 Partnership.
00:16:17.700 Trust me,
00:16:18.240 it's partnership.
00:16:19.060 I checked that.
00:16:20.220 You don't have to trust me.
00:16:21.920 Trust me,
00:16:22.640 I don't know Arabic,
00:16:23.480 but trust me.
00:16:24.180 Go and check with Arabic scholars.
00:16:25.460 Don't trust me.
00:16:26.080 Listen,
00:16:26.440 does it say,
00:16:26.860 Obey Allah.
00:16:27.300 And Allah does not love the disbelievers. 0.95
00:16:28.700 I'm going to simplify this.
00:16:29.680 Let's say,
00:16:30.020 Obey Allah and obey the messenger.
00:16:31.480 And the messenger.
00:16:32.200 One second.
00:16:32.780 Did the messenger say,
00:16:33.640 Worship Allah and Allah alone? 0.82
00:16:34.940 Yeah,
00:16:35.300 he did say that.
00:16:35.900 Do we obey him in that?
00:16:37.240 Sorry?
00:16:37.880 Do we obey him in that?
00:16:39.160 Yeah,
00:16:39.320 you do.
00:16:40.680 That argument is buried.
00:16:41.040 But it's more.
00:16:41.940 It's more.
00:16:42.440 I'm giving you more.
00:16:43.200 The argument is buried.
00:16:43.940 You're going beyond that.
00:16:44.340 No,
00:16:44.480 do you understand the argument is buried?
00:16:45.760 I'm going beyond that.
00:16:46.760 Look,
00:16:46.960 you don't understand.
00:16:48.100 Let me repeat it again.
00:16:49.620 Did Allah say,
00:16:50.480 Obey me and the messenger?
00:16:52.060 Did the messenger say,
00:16:52.820 Do we worship Allah alone?
00:16:53.940 Yes.
00:16:54.440 Do we worship it?
00:16:55.160 Do we,
00:16:55.380 do we,
00:16:55.960 do we,
00:16:55.980 do we,
00:16:57.000 do we,
00:16:57.020 do we,
00:16:57.040 do we acknowledge him in that and do that?
00:17:01.840 Yes.
00:17:02.920 That's your argument.
00:17:03.940 We worship Allah because the prophet told us and we submit to the prophet.
00:17:07.440 That's it.
00:17:08.280 That's,
00:17:08.720 that argument is that.
00:17:09.880 I don't want to carry that on any further.
00:17:11.120 We'll let the viewers decide.
00:17:12.100 Yeah.
00:17:12.140 Okay.
00:17:12.860 You don't want to carry on with that.
00:17:13.980 No,
00:17:14.260 no,
00:17:14.280 no,
00:17:14.300 no,
00:17:14.320 we can't because,
00:17:15.000 okay.
00:17:15.580 Now the second reason why I believe you're polytheistic.
00:17:18.300 Can I show you another verse?
00:17:20.360 Can I show you another verse?
00:17:21.820 Surah 53,
00:17:23.020 Surah 53,
00:17:23.800 19 to 21.
00:17:25.540 Who are they?
00:17:26.660 Allah,
00:17:26.960 Manathan Uza.
00:17:28.620 Okay.
00:17:29.140 Okay.
00:17:29.420 I'll take it out.
00:17:29.860 They're one Asian Arabs used to worship. 1.00
00:17:31.380 No,
00:17:31.560 who is Allah?
00:17:32.280 It's their God.
00:17:33.540 Pre-Islamic God. 0.87
00:17:34.560 No,
00:17:34.800 it's Allah.
00:17:35.360 Allah is the word.
00:17:36.900 Allah.
00:17:37.320 Allah.
00:17:38.220 Allah.
00:17:39.220 My brother,
00:17:40.180 were they statues?
00:17:41.320 Sorry?
00:17:41.780 Were they statues?
00:17:42.400 Yeah.
00:17:42.820 Did the prophet destroy them?
00:17:43.680 He actually affirmed them.
00:17:45.780 I can show you the scriptures.
00:17:47.660 Yeah?
00:17:47.860 My brother,
00:17:48.140 I'm asking you.
00:17:48.500 He affirmed them,
00:17:49.120 and then he destroyed them.
00:17:50.300 It's super quick.
00:17:51.360 Okay,
00:17:51.580 let me get this right.
00:17:52.200 The prophet got God from there,
00:17:53.640 and then he went and destroyed his God.
00:17:55.360 No,
00:17:55.560 no,
00:17:55.680 he affirmed them.
00:17:56.900 He affirmed them.
00:17:57.920 Did the prophet destroy them?
00:17:58.960 He used that part.
00:18:00.880 Okay.
00:18:01.300 Yeah?
00:18:01.760 For worship.
00:18:02.900 I'm asking you something.
00:18:03.960 Did the prophet go into the Kaaba and destroy the statues?
00:18:07.720 Yeah.
00:18:08.540 So he destroyed the...
00:18:09.760 He didn't destroy the gods.
00:18:11.680 Wow.
00:18:12.200 Okay.
00:18:12.760 Okay.
00:18:13.080 Can I show you the tufts here?
00:18:14.660 Okay.
00:18:15.480 Listen,
00:18:15.960 our debate today here
00:18:18.680 is Christianity,
00:18:19.820 monotheism or polytheism?
00:18:20.860 Oh,
00:18:21.040 it's not about Islam as well.
00:18:21.780 No,
00:18:21.960 it's not as well. 0.94
00:18:22.540 Islam is no problem.
00:18:23.360 That's why I'm here.
00:18:23.820 Look,
00:18:23.880 we're debating.
00:18:24.700 Point two,
00:18:25.280 al-rababiyya.
00:18:25.980 We single out God in what he does.
00:18:27.760 All power and majesty,
00:18:29.200 all knowledge belongs to him.
00:18:31.220 Yeah?
00:18:31.780 He has power with himself.
00:18:34.040 He doesn't share it with Jesus or Muhammad.
00:18:36.120 Al-ulihiyya.
00:18:37.380 Worshipping,
00:18:38.000 singling out Allah.
00:18:39.920 Yeah,
00:18:40.100 yeah,
00:18:40.320 it's right.
00:18:41.120 Can someone hold this for me?
00:18:42.120 Yeah.
00:18:42.620 Yeah.
00:18:43.100 Okay.
00:18:43.700 The second point,
00:18:44.820 the second point is al-ulihiyya.
00:18:46.940 Singling out.
00:18:48.220 Let me tell you why you're polytheistic.
00:18:50.140 Yeah?
00:18:50.500 Because in Islam, 0.91
00:18:51.500 we have something called al-ulihiyya.
00:18:52.740 Singling out in worship.
00:18:54.320 Meaning,
00:18:54.880 when I worship,
00:18:55.720 I worship God and God alone.
00:18:57.080 Not Muhammad, 1.00
00:18:57.540 not Jesus,
00:18:58.200 not statue.
00:18:59.120 You're really laughing.
00:18:59.840 Okay,
00:19:00.240 I know,
00:19:00.460 it's funny.
00:19:00.940 I will laugh as well
00:19:01.700 with what you're telling me.
00:19:02.780 Now,
00:19:03.180 do you worship God?
00:19:05.160 Yes.
00:19:05.980 In the name of?
00:19:06.900 Jesus.
00:19:07.680 Okay.
00:19:08.580 So,
00:19:09.360 if...
00:19:10.520 And I explained that to you,
00:19:12.440 yeah,
00:19:12.740 using the analogy of love.
00:19:15.120 One second.
00:19:15.700 Yeah?
00:19:15.980 The love doesn't...
00:19:16.800 Jesus,
00:19:17.320 people always come and say,
00:19:18.340 Christians,
00:19:18.940 Jesus is all loving.
00:19:20.060 Is Allah loving? 0.74
00:19:20.740 Yes,
00:19:20.980 He is all loving.
00:19:21.360 Who was He loving
00:19:21.940 before He created anyone?
00:19:23.460 What do you mean?
00:19:24.300 No,
00:19:24.500 He had the...
00:19:25.500 Was He loving?
00:19:26.280 He had the attribute.
00:19:27.540 But who was He loving?
00:19:28.420 No,
00:19:28.640 He doesn't.
00:19:28.940 No,
00:19:29.020 He's all loving.
00:19:30.040 Yeah,
00:19:30.220 but you have to love something.
00:19:32.000 No,
00:19:32.200 no,
00:19:32.360 that's your term.
00:19:33.180 That's your term.
00:19:33.960 That's your term.
00:19:34.680 Love demands you to love Him.
00:19:36.020 That's your term.
00:19:37.460 No,
00:19:37.620 let's move.
00:19:39.680 No,
00:19:39.900 no,
00:19:40.040 two minutes,
00:19:40.400 Ustaz.
00:19:40.980 Now,
00:19:41.300 when it comes to al-uluhiyah,
00:19:43.260 we...
00:19:43.740 This is why we're monophistic,
00:19:44.960 because we worship God alone.
00:19:46.180 You will never see a Muslim, 1.00
00:19:47.440 a true Muslim, 0.83
00:19:48.300 saying,
00:19:49.060 Oh,
00:19:49.240 Muhammad,
00:19:49.780 ask Allah,
00:19:50.440 Oh,
00:19:50.680 Jesus.
00:19:51.340 But why do you pray to God
00:19:52.780 in the name of Jesus?
00:19:54.440 Because Jesus Christ is God.
00:19:56.920 Okay.
00:19:57.240 And Father,
00:19:58.400 Son,
00:19:58.600 Holy Spirit,
00:19:59.160 they're one being,
00:20:00.240 three persons.
00:20:01.520 When Jesus went to the Mount of Gethsemane
00:20:03.200 and prayed,
00:20:03.820 who was He praying to?
00:20:04.520 The Father.
00:20:04.920 But isn't He the Father?
00:20:06.500 No.
00:20:07.520 Jesus is not the Father.
00:20:08.360 Jesus is the Son.
00:20:09.480 So He's the Son,
00:20:10.420 not God?
00:20:11.200 No,
00:20:11.780 I didn't say that.
00:20:12.840 I've explained it to you,
00:20:14.260 but all you're thinking is the Father is the only God.
00:20:18.140 But all you're thinking is the Father is the only God.
00:20:29.260 I'm not saying that.
00:20:30.420 Didn't you say it?
00:20:31.200 Three persons,
00:20:32.260 one being.
00:20:33.380 One second.
00:20:33.760 You pray in the name of Jesus to God,
00:20:35.720 yeah?
00:20:36.680 You pray in the name of Jesus.
00:20:38.000 Yeah.
00:20:38.560 When Jesus went to the Mount of Gethsemane
00:20:40.200 and fell on His face,
00:20:41.840 did He say,
00:20:42.860 Oh,
00:20:43.260 in the name of myself?
00:20:45.320 No, He did.
00:20:46.060 Why?
00:20:46.340 Because He's praying to the Father.
00:20:47.280 He's praying to the Father?
00:20:48.240 Yeah,
00:20:48.340 because He was a human being
00:20:49.580 and God at the same time.
00:20:51.480 Yes.
00:20:51.980 Why do you need to go somewhere?
00:20:52.860 No, no, no.
00:20:53.200 I don't need to go somewhere.
00:20:53.560 He was a human being
00:20:54.440 and God at the same time.
00:20:55.420 In His human nature,
00:20:56.720 He prayed to the Father.
00:20:57.600 In Islam,
00:20:58.940 we don't believe in this.
00:21:00.060 Look,
00:21:00.200 you have a right to believe that.
00:21:01.400 This is one of the second reasons
00:21:02.920 why you're a polytheistic.
00:21:04.200 Because you...
00:21:05.340 No, that's not a reason at all.
00:21:06.360 Okay, okay.
00:21:06.860 Look,
00:21:07.180 you've brought your argument forward.
00:21:08.240 Him as a human,
00:21:09.280 He's also got His divine attributes.
00:21:11.220 Yeah, yeah.
00:21:11.480 Well, let the viewers decide
00:21:12.260 because it's no point us carrying forward.
00:21:13.460 Yeah.
00:21:13.820 The third point,
00:21:15.340 Asma wa Safat,
00:21:16.260 names and attributes.
00:21:17.360 Do you believe God's all-powerful
00:21:18.420 and all-knowing?
00:21:19.560 Yeah.
00:21:20.200 Okay.
00:21:20.860 When Jesus...
00:21:21.520 I'm going to go to the last days.
00:21:22.560 He was a human being
00:21:23.680 and God at the same time.
00:21:25.100 Not the last days.
00:21:25.400 When Jesus was on the cross,
00:21:26.420 what happened to His power?
00:21:28.240 Nothing.
00:21:29.460 So why did He allow
00:21:30.240 the creation that He created
00:21:31.640 to stone Him?
00:21:32.880 Because of you and I.
00:21:34.140 Because of our sins.
00:21:35.100 You and I.
00:21:35.420 What happened to His power?
00:21:36.320 Not why He did it.
00:21:37.500 I'm asking,
00:21:38.180 what happened to His powers?
00:21:39.480 What do you mean
00:21:39.720 what happened to His powers?
00:21:40.620 He let His powers aside
00:21:42.420 so that He can die
00:21:43.840 and resurrect for you. 0.99
00:21:44.760 One second.
00:21:46.000 That's a sacrificial love.
00:21:47.460 One second.
00:21:48.020 Are you telling me
00:21:48.720 He said to His powers,
00:21:50.640 go on holiday?
00:21:51.840 What are you talking about?
00:21:52.940 Come on.
00:21:53.260 I'm just trying to make hands.
00:21:54.200 No, how did...
00:21:54.980 Listen.
00:21:55.360 There's the Father,
00:21:56.240 there's the Son and the Holy Spirit.
00:21:57.420 The Father didn't die.
00:21:58.680 The Spirit didn't die.
00:21:59.620 The Son died.
00:22:00.660 Okay, one second.
00:22:01.320 Yeah?
00:22:01.600 One second.
00:22:02.440 But His...
00:22:02.800 So God still exists.
00:22:03.820 Okay.
00:22:04.300 But for example,
00:22:05.280 look, number one,
00:22:05.980 if He was all-powerful,
00:22:07.360 He would not allow
00:22:08.440 His powers...
00:22:09.360 He can't say,
00:22:09.840 oh, I'm going to take my power out.
00:22:11.100 There you go.
00:22:11.800 In fact, if He was powerful,
00:22:13.080 He could take it away
00:22:14.000 and bring it back.
00:22:14.720 No.
00:22:15.320 No, no, no.
00:22:16.000 Because just...
00:22:16.760 I can't do that.
00:22:17.140 No, no, no.
00:22:17.660 Just...
00:22:17.900 Okay.
00:22:19.920 Can't God lie?
00:22:21.320 I told you.
00:22:22.220 Okay.
00:22:22.460 Nature.
00:22:23.200 Okay.
00:22:23.600 So for example,
00:22:24.340 He says...
00:22:24.820 One second.
00:22:26.620 He says it's not in the nature of God to lie,
00:22:28.780 but it's in the nature of God
00:22:29.640 to take His power away from Him.
00:22:32.440 It's in the nature of God
00:22:33.500 to become a man.
00:22:34.260 Second point.
00:22:34.760 That's what He did.
00:22:35.520 Second point.
00:22:36.040 Is God on the way?
00:22:37.760 Why did Jesus say,
00:22:38.760 I do not know that I was?
00:22:39.740 Because He was a human being.
00:22:41.180 He was going to visit Adam to lie.
00:22:42.700 That was pre-resurrection.
00:22:44.260 Let's go to post-resurrection. 0.55
00:22:45.900 What did He say?
00:22:46.480 That culture is a religion.
00:22:47.400 Okay.
00:22:47.620 It's the Alpha and the Omega.
00:22:49.440 Yeah, that's right.
00:22:50.160 You just said you are polytheistic.
00:22:52.200 You just said it.
00:22:52.460 No, no, no.
00:22:52.960 I said this is the reason why
00:22:54.100 I believe you guys are polytheistic
00:22:55.760 and not montheistic.
00:22:56.820 Yeah?
00:22:57.180 Okay?
00:22:57.660 Because we sing it out God
00:22:59.060 in what He does.
00:23:00.200 We sing it out God in worship.
00:23:01.540 We sing it out God in His religion.
00:23:03.280 Nobody begins to give His powers away.
00:23:05.180 Oh, no.
00:23:05.660 If a religion comes today
00:23:07.120 and says,
00:23:07.840 we have 600 gods
00:23:09.300 but in one form.
00:23:11.800 Is that monochism not polytheistic?
00:23:14.300 Okay.
00:23:15.060 So we're not saying that.
00:23:15.960 Okay, no, no, no.
00:23:16.520 I'm not saying that.
00:23:17.100 What's it?
00:23:17.860 So you're saying this.
00:23:19.000 A religion comes today 0.96
00:23:19.980 with 600 gods
00:23:20.960 but there's one in essence.
00:23:22.320 He says that's polytheistic.
00:23:23.940 Do you believe Jesus,
00:23:25.480 the Son,
00:23:25.900 the Son,
00:23:26.400 the Son,
00:23:27.280 the Holy Spirit,
00:23:28.580 and the Father?
00:23:29.040 I'm sorry.
00:23:29.760 I'm sorry.
00:23:30.580 I'm sorry.
00:23:30.780 I'm sorry.
00:23:31.500 What's it?
00:23:32.140 What is it?
00:23:33.240 Okay.
00:23:35.560 Three in one?
00:23:36.500 Okay, got it.
00:23:37.740 If it was three beings,
00:23:39.000 it's polytheistic.
00:23:39.440 No, no, what's it?
00:23:40.240 What's it?
00:23:40.260 John, three in one being,
00:23:41.660 montheistic.
00:23:43.060 Six hundred in one being,
00:23:44.460 polytheistic. 1.00
00:23:46.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:23:49.220 It's not a human and a spirit. 1.00
00:23:51.780 There can't be six hundred spirits
00:23:53.740 and six hundred humans.
00:23:55.000 There's a human being.
00:23:56.440 Yeah?
00:23:56.740 You have a soul.
00:23:57.900 I'm trying to explain.
00:23:58.420 You have a body.
00:23:59.160 You have a soul.
00:23:59.680 You have a spirit.
00:24:00.380 There's only three.
00:24:01.460 That's how God created it.
00:24:02.240 No, no, no.
00:24:02.780 You can't say six hundred.
00:24:03.820 You're missing.
00:24:04.320 No, no, no.
00:24:04.740 You're missing.
00:24:05.740 Why are you saying?
00:24:06.380 Who gives them limits?
00:24:07.440 Because if you see God's mind,
00:24:08.500 that's the principle.
00:24:09.400 In the beginning of creation.
00:24:10.320 No, no, no.
00:24:10.340 But that's how Hindus come and say this.
00:24:11.980 There's many gods,
00:24:12.600 but they want to listen.
00:24:13.500 But that's not in the beginning of creation.
00:24:14.820 In the beginning of creation,
00:24:15.920 God said,
00:24:16.580 I'm creating this message.
00:24:18.320 Okay.
00:24:18.740 Through his word
00:24:19.620 and the spirit of it.
00:24:20.740 Okay.
00:24:21.440 He can't come down here,
00:24:23.480 walk and talk with me on earth.
00:24:25.200 No, no, no.
00:24:25.920 God did that in Genesis.
00:24:27.340 No, no.
00:24:27.700 But you need to understand.
00:24:28.740 I'm saying can God lie?
00:24:29.620 You're saying he can't.
00:24:30.460 I'm talking about nature though.
00:24:31.640 No, no, no.
00:24:31.940 But what I'm saying is
00:24:33.240 in his nature,
00:24:33.860 he can't lie.
00:24:34.500 Yeah, but that's evil.
00:24:35.620 That's evil.
00:24:36.140 Are you saying
00:24:36.520 becoming a human is evil?
00:24:37.680 No, no, no.
00:24:38.220 One second.
00:24:38.760 Look,
00:24:39.140 it doesn't suit God's majesty
00:24:40.720 because you're saying
00:24:41.400 he becomes a man.
00:24:42.800 Yeah.
00:24:43.440 How are you glorifying God
00:24:44.580 by saying he came and went to the toilet?
00:24:46.220 Because he comes and relates with you.
00:24:48.620 That's God.
00:24:49.660 No, no.
00:24:49.880 He can relate with you.
00:24:50.840 Listen, listen, listen.
00:24:51.320 If I make a chair,
00:24:54.160 I don't need to become a chair
00:24:55.260 to relate with a chair.
00:24:56.260 The chair can't talk to you, brother.
00:24:57.680 No, but exactly
00:24:58.220 what I'm trying to say.
00:24:58.980 I need to talk.
00:25:00.260 I talk.
00:25:01.280 Listen.
00:25:01.860 We're relational.
00:25:02.880 Listen, listen.
00:25:03.400 So God comes
00:25:04.340 to relationship.
00:25:04.880 Listen, listen.
00:25:05.200 Like I said before,
00:25:06.960 you were saying
00:25:07.500 three in one,
00:25:08.700 the Father,
00:25:09.160 the Son,
00:25:09.360 and the Holy Spirit,
00:25:10.260 one in essence,
00:25:11.060 monotheism.
00:25:11.840 Yeah?
00:25:12.300 If a religion came 0.94
00:25:13.520 and said 600 gods,
00:25:14.900 one in essence,
00:25:16.360 you're saying polytheism.
00:25:17.260 Yeah, but you're going
00:25:18.160 against the principle of creation.
00:25:20.080 Listen, listen.
00:25:20.440 God created it that way.
00:25:22.140 Look at Islam. 1.00
00:25:23.560 Body, soul, spirit.
00:25:24.760 You are already body, soul, spirit.
00:25:26.020 Let me make it simple for you.
00:25:27.900 Worship God alone.
00:25:29.160 And that's Jesus Christ.
00:25:30.240 Look, look, one.
00:25:30.920 Jesus Christ.
00:25:31.580 Look, ask me in Islam.
00:25:32.380 Listen.
00:25:32.920 One.
00:25:33.220 Only Muslim. 0.95
00:25:34.140 One.
00:25:34.500 Only Muslim. 0.95
00:25:35.080 Worship God alone.
00:25:35.900 Only Muslim. 0.95
00:25:36.720 Worship God alone.
00:25:37.880 Jews, they knew.
00:25:38.920 They knew.
00:25:39.900 See, even.
00:25:40.580 See, no, no, no.
00:25:41.340 I'm showing you from the Old Testament.
00:25:42.140 Then why don't they follow it?
00:25:43.300 What do you mean?
00:25:43.960 Why doesn't the Jews follow it? 1.00
00:25:45.180 Who's Isaiah?
00:25:46.040 One second.
00:25:46.660 No, no, one second.
00:25:47.200 Who's Jeremiah?
00:25:47.600 According to you.
00:25:48.220 Who are the Jews of today? 1.00
00:25:50.040 Who are the Jews of today? 1.00
00:25:50.520 I'm not talking about the Jews today.
00:25:52.080 They also believe it.
00:25:53.180 There are some who don't.
00:25:53.960 There are some who do.
00:25:54.620 We're Jew believe that.
00:25:55.400 One second.
00:25:56.620 We're Jew believe that.
00:25:57.340 I know Jewish people that believe about Trinity.
00:25:59.140 In Trinity?
00:25:59.480 Yes.
00:25:59.760 Show me one.
00:26:00.900 Are they here?
00:26:01.820 I'll come to you.
00:26:03.560 Thank you.
00:26:04.460 Are you sure you'll come with me?
00:26:05.580 Thank you.
00:26:05.860 I'll come with you.
00:26:06.140 Where are you going to come?
00:26:06.820 Wherever you like.
00:26:07.480 Take my number.
00:26:07.940 I'll come.
00:26:08.220 I'll drive, mate.
00:26:08.720 No problem.
00:26:09.320 I'll come.
00:26:09.840 I want to see that Jew. 1.00
00:26:10.920 How's he a Jew? 0.98
00:26:18.220 Na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
00:26:23.000 Na, na, na, na, na, na.
00:26:25.420 Amen.