Ali Dawah - September 20, 2021SATAN OR ALLAH？ - SATANIST VS MUSLIM
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In this episode, we are joined by a man who is a satan worshiper. He shares his story of how he became a worshipper of satan and how he ended up worshiping satan.
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we have what's your name june june that's good yeah june we're in september how you doing yeah
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i'm good man that's good june yes i think you maybe you're the first person ever that i'm talking
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to that is a satan worshiper tell me your story um i was christian for two years okay when i was 18
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okay um i found out about it from my ex who was a witch at the time pagan she was a witch
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pagan yeah um she used to be a satanist okay so i found it out through her and the more i discovered
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the further i went into it i've been to the temples in america okay just works it works yeah okay
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so when you say it works what do you mean by that works for my life gives me freedom be who i want
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do i want within reason and still have a good afterlife okay who promised you your afterlife
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baphomet he promised you and why do you know what he said is the truth
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in alas the crowley's the book of law yeah he has said that the hierarchy of demons cannot overrank
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another demon so what he says as the ruler of hell is true i'm going to go to surah ibrahim
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verse so we can make some sense of this yeah yeah so now you're a satan worshiper so you worship
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satan to an extent okay why do you worship satan is he deserving of worship so we worship
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baphomet yeah we say how we say it at the end okay who's baphomet baphomet is above satan
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he's above satan and who is he we call him iblis sorry we call him iblis we have iblis and we have
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foot soldiers yes yeah okay so is baphomet the iblis i guess so okay why is he deserving of worship
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he promised you he promises you good afterlife okay peace so how is he well when you talk about
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satanism or satan we're not really talking about someone that's quite good here yeah so how have you
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defined that as someone good okay so satanism comes from two words okay satan and ism they both
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derived from latin okay satan satanus which means opposition and ism it's opposition yeah and ism
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comes from ismail which means um god so it's the opposition to god okay how could opposition to god
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be good so god is good we don't deny that we follow the bible's timelines aka adam and eve jesus christ
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but we don't follow his outlook on life in our doctrine it does say a lot about the bible and what
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you should follow yeah but for example it says you can't have sex before marriage right yes or you
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can't be gay yeah we don't follow those stuff why we just don't it's not in our doctrine so your
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rebellions yeah so if you're rebellion against god which is the ultimate source of all creation and the
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creator of baphomet yeah yeah he created baphomet yes yes you created baphomet he was always there
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he was always there so is he good okay so god is as you affirm god what's the attributes of god
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does he have a beginning okay can you have two all-powerfuls yeah i know it doesn't make sense
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logically yeah in a broad understanding of it yeah it's outside of human comprehension so if you're
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putting two all-powerful against each other you won't know the outcome until judgment day no but the
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thing is here and the judgment day what's going to happen is uh which i'll show you but guess what satan
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says next the one that you worship and iblis satan will say when the matter will have been decided
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so who's going hell is clear who's going paradise is clear right it will be said allah promised you
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a cheerful promise while i gave you a promise and did not fulfill it so satan is promising you a lie
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and on the day of judgment when you're with him he's going to say this is what he's going to say to you
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he's going to say god promised you a truthful promise while i gave you a promise and i did not
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fulfill it i had no authority over you except that i invited you and you accepted my call so do you
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not blame me but blame yourself neither i am to come to your help nor can you come to my help i
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disown your association with me associating me with allah in the past surely there is a painful
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punishment for the unjust so satan is saying i'd like you you followed me because they can't be two
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all-powerful number one even though it's contradictory because allah says in the quran if there was more than
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one god they would fight each other yeah so the fact that you are following satan and you know that
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god is the most powerful there can't be two powerfuls god ultimately has to create can i yes
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so what you're saying is from the quran yes we don't follow the quran and also we don't worship satan
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so we worship bath and meh and you're saying that two all-powerfuls come together it contradicts yes
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it doesn't yes it doesn't because on judgment day you'll see what happens in the bible what is hell
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describe this i don't know a lake of fire it's one sentence in the whole thing yeah why would he
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not describe all of it well it does in the quran that's why we believe the bible has been corrupted
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where does it say that the bible is itself if the bible is called as a bible itself it's corrupted
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but where does it say in the quran it says vote to those who change the scriptures with their own hands
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and say this is from god forget what muslims say go to the bible yourself but what you're doing now is
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you're worshiping something that's not deserving of worship and not only that huh how is he not
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deserving of worship because there's something more powerful than him he's not which is god yes
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of course baphomet that you're talking about is not deserving of worship because something created
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him no one created him my friend no no he did god is uncreated you can't have two uncreated
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uncreated beings sorry yes you can no you can't do you know what cantos are okay tell me
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do you know what cantos are no okay so you know in islam you have hadiths yes satanism cantos they are
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poems made after dante's death okay so dante in one says although there may be two more powerful
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deities than myself yeah there is one worthy of worship so okay so there's okay so there's two
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powerful but one worthy of worship so what scholars have decided from that yeah is that dante believed that
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although there were two more powerful gods that would fight on judgment day there is something
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that created them which is outside of comprehension and that's the only line in the canto that says
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that so if there's two powerful and one is worthy of worship our point still stands because even if
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satan we believe satan has iblis has certain powers yes that's given to him by god we believe the
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antichrist would have some powers that's given to him by god my friend satan is not baphomet no i know but
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baphomet has certain powers that's given to him we refer to him as iblis yes yeah iblis has powers
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that is given to him he's inquired by a god because he said to god give me till the day of judgment and
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i will misguide them yes so what you're doing in a nutshell is you're rejecting god because god wanted
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to do something so you're taking your logic over god's commandment and that's the reason why iblis
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baphomet got misguided because god said iblis is satan no iblis no satan we use that interchangeably
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but iblis is the main guy he's the one who disobeyed and this will stifle and then he has his
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children little satans you know etc they come you know whisper the specific satan when you're praying
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the special satan that tells you to do this and that so he has his little full soldiers the point i'm
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trying to make here is that when god almighty told him to bow down to adam he said no and why did
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he say no because he used his logic his aql logic over the naql which is god's text that's what
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called him to be misguided and that's the reason why what you're following is your outright saying
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yeah we believe there's god but we don't follow him yes so why are you doing that because you're
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using your logic and your logic is misguiding you not only that you're worshiping something that is
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not deserving of worship iblis baphomet yeah what you've um told me we already believe so we know
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that god created satan gave him certain powers and then kicked him down to the lake of fire no
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no did he create baphomet no no that's the issue here we say that he did create baphomet how could
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you have two powerful beings how does it say baphomet in your quran no it's iblis because one you're
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talking about yeah the head it has to be iblis satan is not baphomet my friend they're two different
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people iblis i'm saying baphomet has to be iblis if he's the main source i'm saying from our
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traditions he has to be iblis if he's the one you do you worship baphomet yes so he's iblis my friend
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from your quran you only believe one satan right no no one there's iblis okay and there is many of
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his four soldiers okay yeah sorry my bad so you believe that there's a bliss right yes so what you're
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saying is just going back to the quran if you go back to our doctrines and scriptures yes there's two
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they're two distinct different beings so like you're saying you've got iblis and his foot soldiers
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yeah we got baphomet satan and then the foot soldiers if you want an analogy yeah but why are you
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worshipping him when he's the source of evil baphomet is not the source of evil he is okay my friend satan
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is the source of evil right okay okay so satan we do we don't worship now even though it's called satanism i
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told you why it's called satanism okay opposition with god baphomet is the counterpart of god but he is
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described as the god of peace and he gives you peace in the afterlife one second
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this uh let's draw him what is it like is it like this something like this yeah something like that
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yeah yeah and then you have god yes and then you have satan yes yeah you worship
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baphomet yes satan is god's foot soldier or baphomet's foot soldier made by god
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casted down to the lake of fire to become baphomet's foot soldier so he became baphomet's foot soldier
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now he was created by god tell me the attributes of baphomet tell me something about attributes as in
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powers or looks looks powers tell me about okay so he's depicted as a goat with a human body he's got
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tits and a penis okay okay so here's the image of duality and his attributes he has the exact same
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attributes as god can you tell me how he can be god that has two boobs and a penis and his head is a
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god can you tell me how on earth does that even resonate with an all-knowing all-powerful god
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a god of mercy and justice so that's just what he's depicted as so if you're putting it that way
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why is he depicted in that way why not another way okay he's depicted as the image of duality
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so duality coming from a man man and a woman and then a goat so animal woman man all three in one
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okay but how how can i relate that and say that is god worthy of worship so he promises you a good
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afterlife if you just follow him and follow his moral outlook on life so if you worship him
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and what would you get in the afterlife so you know how in islam you have seven levels of jenna
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it's more than that okay but to my understanding that was it in um satanism from dante's inferno and the
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paradisio perfectorio all that he wrote there's nine different levels of hell okay seven of them
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continue in torture till you get to the bottom yeah so you're judged on your sins the top two
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paradise you can have whatever you want now i usually analogize it like this right so if you
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believe that you can sell your soul to the devil yeah and get whatever you want on earth yes then if
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you go into hell which is ruled over by baphomet he could give you whatever you want in the first two
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levels so in hell you get whatever you want in the first two levels you're in a fire well there's no
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fire now we're gonna ask for water can i have water please it's hellfire there's no fire there no you
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said there's in the first two levels there's no fire what's there paradise no you said the other three
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are paradise no top two the top two paradise seven torture oh okay so one second you said that you if
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you this if you obey him yeah you get paradise yeah well to me you're explaining god you've just given
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you called it baphomet you called it worshiping all you've done is shirk it's idolatry you said i'm
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going to call not in god i'm going to call him baphomet and then i'm going to follow him and worship him
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and then there's also god in the picture so what's the point of god here then what's god doing here
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is he just watching what's he doing so the reason we worship baphomet instead of god is because he
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gives us so much more freedom than what god does like relating back to the um you know the sex and
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okay one second one second so you are basically what allah says in the quran yeah you are worshiping
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your desires so what you're doing your worldly desires yeah yeah no problem call it whatever you
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like desires yeah yeah this is your god this here is your god because what you're saying is the following
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and this is exactly how satan got misguided allah told him to bow down to adam yeah he said no because
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i'm better than you he used this logic which is actually made him the moment he said he's better than
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adam he showed how stupid he is and how he's not better than adam because he was arrogant yeah and
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he said i'm created of fire and it's created of clay so what he's done is he is acknowledging or trying
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to logically say well our clay is better than fire yeah god gave him that brain or the god gave him that
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logic how are you using your logic to attack god what it tells is right what you're saying is no
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we don't like what god said we're going to follow what we call iblis back from where you said something
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else we're going to follow our desires who's going to fulfill our desires i know we'll make an imaginary
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person with a goat and boobs and a penis and we'll call him baphomet and he tells us and this is by
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the way following your desires because no such thing with baphomet exists i believe and what you've done
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is you made it up in your head and you're like okay we'll follow baphomet okay so that's how it seems to
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me and now you're following him because he allows you to do whatever you like and allah says
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have you seen the one who takes his own desires is god my friend i've said this multiple times
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they're not the same people but satan says follow your desires i'm talking about satan sorry i'm
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talking about baphomet i'm talking about it okay so baphomet yeah although he gives you certain
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things you can do yeah sex before marriage being gay and trans whatever he gives you certain things
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you can do that isn't in the bible or the gram yeah and it's against what god commanded yes yes so the
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fact that he's given you the free will to do that and choose who you want to be yeah he's whatever you're
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worship whoever you are yeah he claims you no what you're doing is the following you're saying
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because he allows me to do things god has told me not to do is worthy of worship and you're not sure
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allah says have you seen the one who takes his desires is on god the one you're disobeying because
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you don't have what he's saying wants the best for you don't disobey him because you don't like what
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he's saying if he's deserving of worship just the way you believe baphomet is deserving of worship
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because he tells you to have some sexual freedom doesn't mean he's good for example and i call
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this example from a discussion if you go to a kid and say chocolate or broccoli which one would the
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kitchen but would chocolate benefit them no which one what would benefit them the same situation god
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is telling you broccoli you're saying i want chocolate and if you carry on having chocolate it's
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going to be bad for you and you know what the amazing thing about this is god tells you there
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is a chocolate you can have yes just be patient but have it this way yes so there is chocolate
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and by the way me talking to you i had to do my adhkar you know adhkar means my prayer yeah to
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protect you because you're a satan worshiper i'm not saying you're bad don't get it wrong yeah there's
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hope i'm not trying to say but i have to protect myself because we believe in the other realm yeah satans
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jinns yeah otherwise i will say to you wait i have to do my prayer well do you practice like yeah
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you don't have to say this but you practice like magical yeah yeah you don't no you said you didn't
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you said he was with someone who's a witch yeah my ex okay but she wasn't okay look listen june
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look you're a fellow human being i'm sorry if i offended you before about baphomet i'm sorry forgive me
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what i'm trying to say in the following is i want the best for you like i want for myself yeah
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i believe the part you own is wrong fair enough but what i'm saying is have you read the quran you
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haven't give the quran a chance i'm going to okay let's give you a quran i've been to a mosque
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yeah interesting no problem if you want get my contact details yeah we can go but what i'm saying
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is just think about it god wants the best for you having anything you want doesn't necessarily mean it's
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good for you there are certain things that god has created us with you can have marriage you don't
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have to have sex before marriage yeah there is a lot of juices orange juice apple juice raspberry
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juice stay away from alcohol there's a lot of meat chicken beef duck i'll give you a list king
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prawns stay away from pork yeah what i'm saying ali is he only gives you what you want to a certain
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extent okay okay that's good now june that's very interesting yeah even baphomet is giving you
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freedom to a certain extent then why do you worship the one that's the zil which is god giving you
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more freedom no but one second how does that mean that's good check this out yeah baphomet is saying
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you can do no god is saying you can do a b but not c d e f g yeah baphomet is saying you can do a b c d e f
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but not g h i j k l m n o p yes there's just a few differences man open the quran somewhere let's see what