Ali Dawah - September 25, 2019


＂WHY I LEFT TOMMY ROBINSON＂ - SHOCKING INTERVIEW WITH CAOLAN ROBERTSON

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In this episode, we are joined by a very special guest who is a member of the freedom of speech movement in the UK. He talks about the events that took place at the Freedom of speech rally in London on the day of the 9/11 terrorist attack and how it all went down. He also shares his story of how he got involved in the movement and how he became a part of the movement.

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00:00:19.680 ask you a question you can while we're filming this is an important question you have somebody
00:00:24.720 who gets paid for smashing windows and then you have the guy who sells windows yeah they both
00:00:29.040 benefit of each other you smash the window we'll sell it we'll give you a little profit
00:00:32.560 tommy and isis are buddies they love each other i'm being honest with you when an attack happens i
00:00:36.640 genuinely believe tommy gets happy i believe he says that's what we need because in order for us
00:00:41.520 to achieve our agenda okay he has said that said what like if a terror attack happens
00:00:55.040 the way that you are looking specifically
00:00:58.560 it's just not correct like it's it's what we're talking about is incorrect
00:01:11.840 we've been here for about 20 minutes now and we don't have any updates on specifically what's
00:01:15.280 happened but what we do know based on all the reports is that a car has plowed
00:01:19.120 through westminster bridge and crashed into the houses of parliament gunshots have been fired within
00:01:23.600 the gates and three people have been confirmed dead i don't think this is any surprise to anybody
00:01:29.920 watching this it's already reported that the man who did this was of asian origin which i don't
00:01:34.400 think is very surprising to anybody if you import a culture you get a culture this is a culture of
00:01:42.160 violence destruction and terrorism and there should be no surprise when we see it on our streets we're
00:01:48.240 following and waiting for them to do this
00:02:00.880 yeah no problem so now i was just saying to you yeah i parked and i thought the stage was there so
00:02:04.880 i was waiting for you there you know what made me remember because i was like wait when those when
00:02:09.360 they when they when they when they encircled us you know what was it uh what they called those
00:02:13.200 hooligans football uh dfla yeah dfla what made me remember where the stage was was when i got chased
00:02:20.800 when hijab was getting hit and they took me around the stage and you see these barriers here that that's
00:02:26.160 what made me remember okay this is where the stage is it's not there because because i was surrounded
00:02:30.320 by them and i thought i was gonna die basically so that's that's the case that made me remember
00:02:35.040 i find that quite interesting that was like because like a massive rift so what like what
00:02:41.520 happened behind the scenes i mean i guess you know everything but that was like the moment everything
00:02:46.960 fell apart like the movement like what did you like i felt like we were like legitimate that day
00:02:52.960 like i felt like we had like taken our country this is what i was saying to the producer like we
00:02:58.640 popular music there was young people there what did you think about that did you think that was like
00:03:02.800 worrying or do you think it wouldn't last long to be honest when i heard that this rally is happening
00:03:07.840 and i knew that for example this whole freedom of speech thing is being uh it's it's it's not the
00:03:13.120 real face of it i said to myself okay it's a freedom of speech event okay so that means it's for
00:03:18.240 everybody so i said surely though i'm sure that they will let me speak yeah obviously in my head i was
00:03:22.720 thinking i don't think they are but let's put it to the test because what it would do is it would
00:03:26.720 kind of grow my respect a little bit to to tommy so i thought you know what if you believe in freedom
00:03:31.760 the speech i'm sure he would allow me to talk on stage so that's why i got in contact with i
00:03:35.040 think lucy or george or you i can't remember it was lucy yeah yeah and then i said look can i come
00:03:39.680 you know and then i think there was a bit of it she was like uh yeah i think she she kind of felt
00:03:45.440 the idea of okay actually why not kind of stuff so she was like yeah i said okay good um let me know
00:03:50.000 when yeah so then i was speaking like use organizer george and lucy so i was like that's quite interesting
00:03:55.200 so i spoke to hijab i said look they actually let me speak yeah and obviously he was like nah
00:03:59.360 they're not going to i was like imagine yeah and it seems quite official so when that happened then
00:04:04.080 we heard like a back and forth happening you know uh he's going to speak he's not going to speak then
00:04:08.480 the followers of john robinson the far right uh they were having debates i can hear the discussions
00:04:13.360 i can on facebook social media no he's not going to speak he's going to speak so okay what's going on
00:04:18.080 you know uh i understood yes some people might dislike the fact that i'm going to come but i said surely
00:04:23.200 if you're standing on the principles of freedom of speech yeah you might not like it but you know uh
00:04:27.840 you're going to allow me to uh speak yeah there was a philosopher who said um he said um i i despise
00:04:34.960 what you say but i'll defend to death the right for you to say it we quoted that as well yeah yeah yeah
00:04:40.320 no there but i was like i remember when you were invited um when you made the offer we were in a
00:04:45.520 room with tommy oh and we were like in a hotel room we were like oh my god ali wants to speak and
00:04:50.480 then tommy burst out laughing he was like that would be serious let's do it and then lucy was like he might
00:04:55.600 be heckled a bit but it'll get the crowd going and he was like he was 100 wanting to do it and it
00:05:02.080 wasn't until you arrived that the head of the dfla or the fla or this like far right group you know
00:05:09.360 pretended they were about football yeah um texted tommy and said if you let him on stage we'll storm the
00:05:16.560 stage you'll you know you'll be attacked or whatever and tommy was like
00:05:25.040 and i was saying this is about freedom of speech this is the purpose of the event it's about freedom
00:05:28.960 of expression and freedom of speech that's literally what it's about nothing else um
00:05:34.000 and he was like i can't do it i can't do it like it's gonna piss everyone off i can't do it and then 0.74
00:05:38.320 lucy came on super super super heated she said everyone knows about this everyone already knows 0.98
00:05:42.880 he's invited he said he doesn't care you can spin it up and she said just admit it it's because
00:05:46.560 he's muslim isn't it and he said yeah it is that's it and that's when we realized like at that moment
00:05:53.680 that he didn't even talk about freedom of speech obviously no but we were quite convinced like i
00:05:59.920 like we were genuinely like this is we are like a cool counterculture thing you know there's a lot 0.95
00:06:04.160 of far-right idiots that we don't want but we genuinely believed in that and when he said no that's 0.96
00:06:09.200 that's when all but you exposed the whole thing yeah no to be honest look i i didn't have the 1.00
00:06:14.640 intention my intention was if they let me speak i've got a speech that i'm going to rip tommy into
00:06:19.200 pieces yeah and i might have a few i just had to work on my reflexes to dodge a few uh bottles that's 0.98
00:06:23.920 going to be thrown at me but i just okay if they do that at least my respect will grow go for them
00:06:27.600 because they don't like me they despise and like what i said the statement of defending your right
00:06:31.920 to death to speak i thought they would when he didn't i think he made the biggest mistake of his life
00:06:37.520 and it truly showed me what his nature is it's not about freedom of speech that day i knew it
00:06:42.400 you know because at the end of the day if i came here to fight or cause an issue i would be at fault
00:06:47.040 but i was invited i was officially invited yeah because i'm not going to come here like you know
00:06:50.960 so when i came and all i want to do is come in and i could see there was a conflict someone's like oh
00:06:54.960 i don't know you're not speaking today i was invited okay let's go find out and i was not even on
00:06:59.440 purpose i i personally believe to me even didn't put us backstage even he could have put me backstage
00:07:04.240 yeah and say okay look you're not speaking about at least you're secure he knew dfl uh whatever
00:07:09.760 they're called here uh the football alliance they were out there yeah so he kept me and hijab out 1.00
00:07:15.120 there knowing look every two seconds i have to look behind me yeah because i don't know who's going to
00:07:18.800 come and do what and then what happened is obviously hijab got into a bit of a thing with that other
00:07:22.560 guy that tall guy and he made a phone call when he made a phone call i had to get one guy to say
00:07:27.360 go and call the police because he's making a phone call and i don't know what's going to happen
00:07:30.720 so when he rang about five minutes later and we saw all you know all those people coming behind
00:07:35.040 us trying to push us barge us and i was like look this is what you stand for freedom of speech and
00:07:39.120 let me speak yeah if you didn't if you don't want me to speak then why did you invite me here for
00:07:43.360 so it seemed like a setup to me like tommy knew he's not going to let me speak but he thought
00:07:47.440 there's going to be atmosphere of hate you know this might be an opportunity to get him bad um
00:07:53.520 and yeah and it backfired on him and it backfired on really bad it made him look you know uh really bad
00:07:58.720 yeah what do you think would have happened if he would have let you speak and it was a big
00:08:01.360 success and he gave the speech i i think he'd be now like sorry do you think he'd be like a massive
00:08:05.760 success now he would have carried on look should i tell you something if he did that it would have
00:08:09.360 worked in favor of him like it would have been he would say you know what look freedom of speech
00:08:13.120 for everyone even somebody that i don't like i despise i allowed him to speak it would have been
00:08:17.840 it would have been brilliant for him you know but it shows you that the hatred that he has
00:08:22.240 for islam and muslims contradicts his whole belief of freedom of speech because this is why i said to him 1.00
00:08:27.600 you talking about freedom of speech i know it's nonsense it's absolute rubbish because 0.99
00:08:31.840 you hate islam and muslims so much that you will go against your own principles the fact that you're 0.99
00:08:36.640 here standing here shows me that you're a man of principles you you said look this is my principles 0.97
00:08:42.720 anybody that goes against i'm going to speak out against it you know and we have a principle in
00:08:46.320 the quran allah tells us speak the truth even if it's against yourself or your kin so meaning i'm not
00:08:51.120 going to speak let's say if you and hijab had a dispute and i know hijab is wrong i'm not going to take 1.00
00:08:55.440 hijab side because he's muslim i'm not going to take his side because he's my best friend i'm going 0.99
00:08:58.800 to take your side because he's wrong and today what you're doing here today shows me you kind
00:09:04.480 of implementing what god tells us to do in the quran how do you feel coming here like after
00:09:10.640 yeah obviously it's yeah it just brings back memories it brings back memories like i said to you before
00:09:15.840 i thought the stage was back there then i said to myself hold on a second when i was being chased
00:09:19.840 and when hijab was being attacked and the group of people were chasing me i was brought to a these
00:09:24.720 black gates and that's not there so i said no it must be further up so the fact that we got attacked
00:09:29.360 helped me find the stage because that's that's what made me remember the stage was here not there
00:09:34.480 so me and the camera were waiting there and i said oh no actually those black gates are not here
00:09:39.040 so the fact that we got attacked kind of helped me in a positive way to find the stage here today
00:09:43.600 how did you feel about me and maybe george when you were attacked do you think you were to be
00:09:49.120 honestly obviously i felt like a bit like like with you i had a perception about you because
00:09:53.040 that um i can i can remember when was it the london bridge attacks happened yeah i can remember you
00:09:58.160 was um because i was following you guys on social media to know like where you guys are so i can
00:10:03.040 confront you guys you know because what you were saying wasn't what my religion was about you know
00:10:07.600 so i i can remember i came when the attacks happened london bridge um i think you was there and i think we
00:10:13.120 missed you by yeah you was there so i i couldn't remember i had a perception about you you know
00:10:18.560 that you know you seem you didn't seem like you fitted in the father like you seemed like somebody
00:10:23.840 had you know been told certain things and you had hate inside you but you just didn't seem like i
00:10:28.720 couldn't say okay this guy i couldn't call you fire right like it's just the words that you were
00:10:31.840 uttering was but when i looked at you as a person and you know i was like you know there's something
00:10:36.800 more to it but tommy yes even lucy i feel a bit like that about her as well but you know i just
00:10:42.800 seemed like somebody who's been brainwashed somebody who's seen certain things that are
00:10:46.720 happening and rightly so you know at the end of the day you've seen people that claim you know
00:10:51.120 shouting the name of my religion uh coming and doing attacks you know i know that people are hurt
00:10:55.920 they're upset and they have a right to be upset i was upset because this person is hijacked my religion
00:10:59.920 but i saw somebody who was deeply hurt and was being brainwashed so you were in the wrong crowd
00:11:04.240 telling you the wrong things and i really wanted to have a discussion with you and sit down and speak with
00:11:08.160 you so i missed you at that moment in time but obviously i had that perception i felt you know what
00:11:12.320 actually you know the the the the innocent person that i saw in you that day was like okay now he's
00:11:18.400 not that instant because they would have let me speak you know lucy came and obviously when they
00:11:22.160 surrounded us she was trying to defend us etc i i i admired that i admired that can i ask you a question
00:11:27.280 if you don't mind can i ask you a question you can while we're filming if it's an important
00:11:32.080 question no problem i'm a christian i i love you yeah but uh what what what what what i see today in
00:11:39.040 the world regarding islam yeah there's no judgment on people wherever we come from we love one another
00:11:46.000 yes especially as a christian yes but when i see islam today until i'm 74 years old now you look you look
00:11:55.120 45 45 yes thank you very much god bless you thank you but uh all all i see from islam and i've been
00:12:03.840 observing it now for the past 40 years i became a christian about 40 years ago i started to take an
00:12:09.760 interest in religious movements in the world all i have seen from islam in the past 40 years that i 0.97
00:12:17.120 have been watching is violence murder slaughter mayhem poverty that's all i see i don't i see the sunni
00:12:29.280 hating the shia i see the shia hating the sunni i see the wahibis hating the sunni sorry the shia 0.61
00:12:37.280 all hating one another that's all we see in murder i used to think a lot of the time that's
00:12:44.560 i mean i assume you've seen that in media and not sort of in real life is that this is real life yeah
00:12:49.680 but there's a lot of stuff that's pushed more in certain ways by being you know conflict the media
00:12:55.520 likes conflict so that's just a denial of what's actually happening no it's a denial if you and in the
00:13:01.600 iraq iran war there was over one million muslims killed one another this is a reality that's that's 0.97
00:13:08.640 that's a big can i can i say something over a million killed uncle you know uncle you know yeah
00:13:13.600 the iraq iran war that was that was a battle between shia and sunni no it wasn't uncle can i say something
00:13:19.520 i've been listening to you and you've repeated the words i see see see yeah yeah so where can i ask
00:13:24.720 television that's exactly my point because you keep saying i see and i was wondering if you went and saw it
00:13:29.280 it for yourself or you was shown it i've got friends who've come from muslim countries you've
00:13:34.080 told me about it christian friends who became christians yes and now they became christians
00:13:38.720 they're under the threat of death i i would say this is the biggest propaganda out there well that's
00:13:43.120 nonsense son so you said it's a lie if you allow me to well that's nonsense you're not you're not you're 0.61
00:13:47.920 telling a lie this is a reality if i can just elaborate in syria right now they're killing one and 0.90
00:13:53.760 yeah yemen they're killing one another god bless you i love you i'm not against you i'm just saying 1.00
00:14:00.320 to you as a human being but all i see from islam is slaughter murder and mayhem that's all i see 1.00
00:14:07.120 you've made a point if you would the thing is you've come here if you imagine if you're a christian
00:14:10.720 if i came and said the ira uh the laws resistant the crusaders and i came and said thank you very
00:14:16.000 much and i want to go would it be fair for me to come and make these accusations and then say i have to
00:14:19.520 go now i have to go now i have to go you have to go you have to go i'm just saying as a christian
00:14:24.880 that's all i see you know i have been attacked by muslims in this country for preaching the gospel 1.00
00:14:30.720 i'm sorry that is that's not i have been threatened my life has been threatened in this country yeah i
00:14:35.520 just met a woman today who was attacked with a muslim with a hammer she had a skull was cracked
00:14:43.120 in 12 places do you mind reading this this is from the quran do you want me to read it for
00:14:47.520 i've i've i've looked at the quran for over 15 years can i read it for you surah 9 it says when
00:14:52.640 the sacred months are over take the infidel captive and slay them and who are they the people who 1.00
00:15:00.240 persecuted muhammad infidels okay i'm an infidel god bless you thank you you be careful young man 0.92
00:15:05.760 thank you be careful i say that in love i love you i'm not against you but you've got to be honest thank you
00:15:11.520 you islam is not a religion of peace it's a religion of war and slaughter thank you muhammad 1.00
00:15:17.840 was a jihadist he was the first jihadist thank you sir god bless you thank you so so what happened 0.88
00:15:24.320 right there this is actually profound you see right there what's happened is a perception that's built
00:15:29.760 in the mind he came and told us it he didn't want to clarify and he said i this is exactly the problem
00:15:36.480 you see that was actually amazing i don't believe in coincidences everything happens for a reason
00:15:40.160 you see that man he came here said a few things yeah imagine if a bbc or someone was recording
00:15:46.400 you're gonna have people watching be like yes that's what he's talking about i wanted to clarify
00:15:50.400 yeah exactly do you see what i'm saying this would have been tommy would have loved this this would
00:15:55.360 have been beautiful yes yeah exactly exactly the weather the weather is perfect the conditions are
00:16:00.480 perfect it would have been amazing but you see the moment where i said to him can we just read this
00:16:04.080 quran verse i don't want to know what does that show you it shows you that he's saying i'm happy
00:16:09.040 believing what i'm believing and i do not want to know it don't tell me anything that may change my
00:16:13.680 mind however with yourself you broke that barrier you said no no i want i want to learn i want to
00:16:19.280 understand and that's why where you are today is where you are today myself personally my father hates
00:16:24.400 this now i speak to my dad my dad says the thing that i hate the most has been born into my family
00:16:28.320 but i say to my dad dad just read that's what i did before i came to islam i read i didn't take
00:16:34.480 media so i just want to be diverse in the quran here allah says in the quran allah does not forbid
00:16:39.120 you as regard to those who did not fight you based on your faith and did not expel you from your homes
00:16:44.480 that you do good to them and do justly with them so allah saying people that did not come and keep you
00:16:49.360 from your houses and persecuted you because you're a muslim he does not forbid you from being just and kind
00:16:54.000 to them so everything that he's saying the quran tells me to be just and kind to the christians
00:16:58.080 the jews anybody as long as you're not attacking me based on my faith and him quoting surah toba
00:17:03.680 he's talking about the prophet peace be upon him when he was attacked by the pagan arabs his family 1.00
00:17:08.800 his uh followers were persecuted so he's saying basically to defend yourself you're a jihadi so
00:17:14.480 as muslims what do we need to do we need to be we need to be we need to carry on being slaughtered 1.00
00:17:17.520 and that's a fine example man it's a fine example this is something i'm trying to understand so it's
00:17:22.400 yeah i mean i'm completely yeah do you know what i like should say here because i'm super um
00:17:30.640 if you like have any input i'm just completely like yeah yeah no no look how are you feeling
00:17:35.680 right now just how did that make you feel because that was wild um maybe he saw his old self there
00:17:41.040 yeah no i did i did see my own self yeah it's exactly the quotes kind of stuff that you used to say yeah
00:17:46.800 yeah yeah it's weird but he just yeah i don't know how i thought about that yeah it's weird
00:17:53.920 what was he saying that right in your head is what what made what made you like feel a reaction
00:18:01.760 when he said that islam is a religion of violence that he said that whenever you think of islam you
00:18:07.600 think of terrorism rape murder villaging that is the core of what we used to believe yeah with lauren 0.88
00:18:15.040 southern with our documentaries with everything um it's weird i haven't heard anything like it in
00:18:20.960 a long time and it's just yeah that's that's the reason you know i didn't think you know if you
00:18:27.440 remember you said that when so one last point the um the weirdest thing was he's just like a normal
00:18:32.480 person it's not yeah so yeah like it reminds me how yeah but but do you see you see like if we go
00:18:38.960 back to nazi germany when the nuremberg laws were implemented you see when you want to slaughter a 0.86
00:18:44.880 group of people it doesn't start with hey pick up the guns and we're ready to kill nobody will do
00:18:50.800 that nobody in their right mind will do that it's all justifying okay why do we need to get rid of
00:18:56.240 these people for a better future for our kids look this religion is bad these people are not bad but 1.00
00:19:01.920 they're brainwashed so what it does is it justifies so when you start the propaganda and the media if you
00:19:07.760 look at how the jews were treated in nazi germany where they were drawing pictures with their big noses 0.68
00:19:11.680 evil looking people you know what they were doing is they were preparing people psychologically and
00:19:16.720 mentally so when the day comes to pull the trigger they are ready to do it and this is exactly what's
00:19:20.960 happening with this man he could justify to himself and say like the for example the christ
00:19:25.600 church attacker yeah he justified it to himself and said these guys are the problem i need to deal with
00:19:30.320 the problem so he went out there and start shooting and killing innocent men women and children
00:19:34.880 why because he justified it to himself if he didn't if he didn't believe this and where did this come from he had a
00:19:40.080 connection to that guy um i forgot his uh face uh you know the guy tom robertson read the speech out
00:19:47.760 martin selma yes exactly and he was even giving money towards them yeah so why why is that happening
00:19:53.920 because these words that we deem to be freedom of speech it's basically a free ticket to spew the
00:20:00.960 nonsense that i want to do and then tommy's not going to do because tommy lives in a nice house in a
00:20:04.800 mansion he's got a jacuzzi he'll be zipping his tea while he's got his foot soldiers people like you i'm
00:20:09.120 telling you same goes with majid nawas do you think if majid nawas if you believe blowing yourself up
00:20:14.560 goes paradise go and do it yourself in a desert somewhere else and blow yourself up yeah okay if
00:20:19.840 you believe go look if you believe in paradise instead of getting these youngsters that you're 0.97
00:20:23.600 brainwashing to go and do your dirty job while you're sitting on your comfy home you go and do
00:20:28.560 it that's the reason why we confront hate from both sides because they're both i believe they're both
00:20:32.640 business partners they work with each other you have somebody who gets paid for smashing windows
00:20:37.120 and then you have the guy who sells windows yeah they both benefit of each other you smash the
00:20:41.280 window we'll sell it we'll give you a little profit tommy and isis are buddies they love each
00:20:45.040 other i'm being honest with you when an attack happens i genuinely believe tommy gets happy i
00:20:49.360 believe he says that's what we need because in order for us to achieve our agenda okay he has said
00:20:54.560 that said what like if a terror attack happens like it helps good it's good like for example 0.78
00:21:04.800 it makes people angry and it makes it more sympathetic tommy and it usually causes a massive
00:21:09.600 spike of views exactly and and and and isis they they love the same thing with isis when when an
00:21:15.040 attack happens christ church see what they're doing to our brothers and sisters in iraq one million you
00:21:19.280 see what they're doing time will take revenge that exactly itself for the youngsters it's emotional
00:21:24.960 most of these youngsters who carry out the london bridge attacks what is that i speak to them i've
00:21:28.960 confronted some of them their ideology and their thinking is but they do it to our brothers and
00:21:33.120 sisters i say to them okay bush and tony blair or whoever they do it to our brothers and sisters
00:21:38.480 is bush my teacher or the prophet muhammad who's who's our teacher bush or tony blair or the 0.81
00:21:43.520 prophet muhammad prophet muhammad would the prophet peace be upon him go and kill innocent 0.99
00:21:46.320 people no so don't give me false analogies of tony blair's not my teacher i'm not gonna look at
00:21:50.880 tony blair like okay he's killed a million people okay let me go do the same he's not my teacher
00:21:55.440 islam is what i live my life by and it doesn't teach that and what you said i know it 0.98