Ali Dawah - ＂WHY I LEFT TOMMY ROBINSON＂ - SHOCKING INTERVIEW WITH CAOLAN ROBERTSON

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00:00:19.680 ask you a question you can while we're filming this is an important question you have somebody

00:00:24.720 who gets paid for smashing windows and then you have the guy who sells windows yeah they both

00:00:29.040 benefit of each other you smash the window we'll sell it we'll give you a little profit

00:00:32.560 tommy and isis are buddies they love each other i'm being honest with you when an attack happens i

00:00:36.640 genuinely believe tommy gets happy i believe he says that's what we need because in order for us

00:00:41.520 to achieve our agenda okay he has said that said what like if a terror attack happens

00:00:55.040 the way that you are looking specifically

00:00:58.560 it's just not correct like it's it's what we're talking about is incorrect

00:01:11.840 we've been here for about 20 minutes now and we don't have any updates on specifically what's

00:01:15.280 happened but what we do know based on all the reports is that a car has plowed

00:01:19.120 through westminster bridge and crashed into the houses of parliament gunshots have been fired within

00:01:23.600 the gates and three people have been confirmed dead i don't think this is any surprise to anybody

00:01:29.920 watching this it's already reported that the man who did this was of asian origin which i don't

00:01:34.400 think is very surprising to anybody if you import a culture you get a culture this is a culture of

00:01:42.160 violence destruction and terrorism and there should be no surprise when we see it on our streets we're

00:01:48.240 following and waiting for them to do this

00:02:00.880 yeah no problem so now i was just saying to you yeah i parked and i thought the stage was there so

00:02:04.880 i was waiting for you there you know what made me remember because i was like wait when those when

00:02:09.360 they when they when they when they encircled us you know what was it uh what they called those

00:02:13.200 hooligans football uh dfla yeah dfla what made me remember where the stage was was when i got chased

00:02:20.800 when hijab was getting hit and they took me around the stage and you see these barriers here that that's

00:02:26.160 what made me remember okay this is where the stage is it's not there because because i was surrounded

00:02:30.320 by them and i thought i was gonna die basically so that's that's the case that made me remember

00:02:35.040 i find that quite interesting that was like because like a massive rift so what like what

00:02:41.520 happened behind the scenes i mean i guess you know everything but that was like the moment everything

00:02:46.960 fell apart like the movement like what did you like i felt like we were like legitimate that day

00:02:52.960 like i felt like we had like taken our country this is what i was saying to the producer like we

00:02:58.640 popular music there was young people there what did you think about that did you think that was like

00:03:02.800 worrying or do you think it wouldn't last long to be honest when i heard that this rally is happening

00:03:07.840 and i knew that for example this whole freedom of speech thing is being uh it's it's it's not the

00:03:13.120 real face of it i said to myself okay it's a freedom of speech event okay so that means it's for

00:03:18.240 everybody so i said surely though i'm sure that they will let me speak yeah obviously in my head i was

00:03:22.720 thinking i don't think they are but let's put it to the test because what it would do is it would

00:03:26.720 kind of grow my respect a little bit to to tommy so i thought you know what if you believe in freedom

00:03:31.760 the speech i'm sure he would allow me to talk on stage so that's why i got in contact with i

00:03:35.040 think lucy or george or you i can't remember it was lucy yeah yeah and then i said look can i come

00:03:39.680 you know and then i think there was a bit of it she was like uh yeah i think she she kind of felt

00:03:45.440 the idea of okay actually why not kind of stuff so she was like yeah i said okay good um let me know

00:03:50.000 when yeah so then i was speaking like use organizer george and lucy so i was like that's quite interesting

00:03:55.200 so i spoke to hijab i said look they actually let me speak yeah and obviously he was like nah

00:03:59.360 they're not going to i was like imagine yeah and it seems quite official so when that happened then

00:04:04.080 we heard like a back and forth happening you know uh he's going to speak he's not going to speak then

00:04:08.480 the followers of john robinson the far right uh they were having debates i can hear the discussions

00:04:13.360 i can on facebook social media no he's not going to speak he's going to speak so okay what's going on

00:04:18.080 you know uh i understood yes some people might dislike the fact that i'm going to come but i said surely

00:04:23.200 if you're standing on the principles of freedom of speech yeah you might not like it but you know uh

00:04:27.840 you're going to allow me to uh speak yeah there was a philosopher who said um he said um i i despise

00:04:34.960 what you say but i'll defend to death the right for you to say it we quoted that as well yeah yeah yeah

00:04:40.320 no there but i was like i remember when you were invited um when you made the offer we were in a

00:04:45.520 room with tommy oh and we were like in a hotel room we were like oh my god ali wants to speak and

00:04:50.480 then tommy burst out laughing he was like that would be serious let's do it and then lucy was like he might

00:04:55.600 be heckled a bit but it'll get the crowd going and he was like he was 100 wanting to do it and it

00:05:02.080 wasn't until you arrived that the head of the dfla or the fla or this like far right group you know

00:05:09.360 pretended they were about football yeah um texted tommy and said if you let him on stage we'll storm the

00:05:16.560 stage you'll you know you'll be attacked or whatever and tommy was like

00:05:25.040 and i was saying this is about freedom of speech this is the purpose of the event it's about freedom

00:05:28.960 of expression and freedom of speech that's literally what it's about nothing else um

00:05:34.000 and he was like i can't do it i can't do it like it's gonna piss everyone off i can't do it and then

00:05:38.320 lucy came on super super super heated she said everyone knows about this everyone already knows

00:05:42.880 he's invited he said he doesn't care you can spin it up and she said just admit it it's because

00:05:46.560 he's muslim isn't it and he said yeah it is that's it and that's when we realized like at that moment

00:05:53.680 that he didn't even talk about freedom of speech obviously no but we were quite convinced like i

00:05:59.920 like we were genuinely like this is we are like a cool counterculture thing you know there's a lot

00:06:04.160 of far-right idiots that we don't want but we genuinely believed in that and when he said no that's

00:06:09.200 that's when all but you exposed the whole thing yeah no to be honest look i i didn't have the

00:06:14.640 intention my intention was if they let me speak i've got a speech that i'm going to rip tommy into

00:06:19.200 pieces yeah and i might have a few i just had to work on my reflexes to dodge a few uh bottles that's

00:06:23.920 going to be thrown at me but i just okay if they do that at least my respect will grow go for them

00:06:27.600 because they don't like me they despise and like what i said the statement of defending your right

00:06:31.920 to death to speak i thought they would when he didn't i think he made the biggest mistake of his life

00:06:37.520 and it truly showed me what his nature is it's not about freedom of speech that day i knew it

00:06:42.400 you know because at the end of the day if i came here to fight or cause an issue i would be at fault

00:06:47.040 but i was invited i was officially invited yeah because i'm not going to come here like you know

00:06:50.960 so when i came and all i want to do is come in and i could see there was a conflict someone's like oh

00:06:54.960 i don't know you're not speaking today i was invited okay let's go find out and i was not even on

00:06:59.440 purpose i i personally believe to me even didn't put us backstage even he could have put me backstage

00:07:04.240 yeah and say okay look you're not speaking about at least you're secure he knew dfl uh whatever

00:07:09.760 they're called here uh the football alliance they were out there yeah so he kept me and hijab out

00:07:15.120 there knowing look every two seconds i have to look behind me yeah because i don't know who's going to

00:07:18.800 come and do what and then what happened is obviously hijab got into a bit of a thing with that other

00:07:22.560 guy that tall guy and he made a phone call when he made a phone call i had to get one guy to say

00:07:27.360 go and call the police because he's making a phone call and i don't know what's going to happen

00:07:30.720 so when he rang about five minutes later and we saw all you know all those people coming behind

00:07:35.040 us trying to push us barge us and i was like look this is what you stand for freedom of speech and

00:07:39.120 let me speak yeah if you didn't if you don't want me to speak then why did you invite me here for

00:07:43.360 so it seemed like a setup to me like tommy knew he's not going to let me speak but he thought

00:07:47.440 there's going to be atmosphere of hate you know this might be an opportunity to get him bad um

00:07:53.520 and yeah and it backfired on him and it backfired on really bad it made him look you know uh really bad

00:07:58.720 yeah what do you think would have happened if he would have let you speak and it was a big

00:08:01.360 success and he gave the speech i i think he'd be now like sorry do you think he'd be like a massive

00:08:05.760 success now he would have carried on look should i tell you something if he did that it would have

00:08:09.360 worked in favor of him like it would have been he would say you know what look freedom of speech

00:08:13.120 for everyone even somebody that i don't like i despise i allowed him to speak it would have been

00:08:17.840 it would have been brilliant for him you know but it shows you that the hatred that he has

00:08:22.240 for islam and muslims contradicts his whole belief of freedom of speech because this is why i said to him

00:08:27.600 you talking about freedom of speech i know it's nonsense it's absolute rubbish because

00:08:31.840 you hate islam and muslims so much that you will go against your own principles the fact that you're

00:08:36.640 here standing here shows me that you're a man of principles you you said look this is my principles

00:08:42.720 anybody that goes against i'm going to speak out against it you know and we have a principle in

00:08:46.320 the quran allah tells us speak the truth even if it's against yourself or your kin so meaning i'm not

00:08:51.120 going to speak let's say if you and hijab had a dispute and i know hijab is wrong i'm not going to take

00:08:55.440 hijab side because he's muslim i'm not going to take his side because he's my best friend i'm going

00:08:58.800 to take your side because he's wrong and today what you're doing here today shows me you kind

00:09:04.480 of implementing what god tells us to do in the quran how do you feel coming here like after

00:09:10.640 yeah obviously it's yeah it just brings back memories it brings back memories like i said to you before

00:09:15.840 i thought the stage was back there then i said to myself hold on a second when i was being chased

00:09:19.840 and when hijab was being attacked and the group of people were chasing me i was brought to a these

00:09:24.720 black gates and that's not there so i said no it must be further up so the fact that we got attacked

00:09:29.360 helped me find the stage because that's that's what made me remember the stage was here not there

00:09:34.480 so me and the camera were waiting there and i said oh no actually those black gates are not here

00:09:39.040 so the fact that we got attacked kind of helped me in a positive way to find the stage here today

00:09:43.600 how did you feel about me and maybe george when you were attacked do you think you were to be

00:09:49.120 honestly obviously i felt like a bit like like with you i had a perception about you because

00:09:53.040 that um i can i can remember when was it the london bridge attacks happened yeah i can remember you

00:09:58.160 was um because i was following you guys on social media to know like where you guys are so i can

00:10:03.040 confront you guys you know because what you were saying wasn't what my religion was about you know

00:10:07.600 so i i can remember i came when the attacks happened london bridge um i think you was there and i think we

00:10:13.120 missed you by yeah you was there so i i couldn't remember i had a perception about you you know

00:10:18.560 that you know you seem you didn't seem like you fitted in the father like you seemed like somebody

00:10:23.840 had you know been told certain things and you had hate inside you but you just didn't seem like i

00:10:28.720 couldn't say okay this guy i couldn't call you fire right like it's just the words that you were

00:10:31.840 uttering was but when i looked at you as a person and you know i was like you know there's something

00:10:36.800 more to it but tommy yes even lucy i feel a bit like that about her as well but you know i just

00:10:42.800 seemed like somebody who's been brainwashed somebody who's seen certain things that are

00:10:46.720 happening and rightly so you know at the end of the day you've seen people that claim you know

00:10:51.120 shouting the name of my religion uh coming and doing attacks you know i know that people are hurt

00:10:55.920 they're upset and they have a right to be upset i was upset because this person is hijacked my religion

00:10:59.920 but i saw somebody who was deeply hurt and was being brainwashed so you were in the wrong crowd

00:11:04.240 telling you the wrong things and i really wanted to have a discussion with you and sit down and speak with

00:11:08.160 you so i missed you at that moment in time but obviously i had that perception i felt you know what

00:11:12.320 actually you know the the the the innocent person that i saw in you that day was like okay now he's

00:11:18.400 not that instant because they would have let me speak you know lucy came and obviously when they

00:11:22.160 surrounded us she was trying to defend us etc i i i admired that i admired that can i ask you a question

00:11:27.280 if you don't mind can i ask you a question you can while we're filming if it's an important

00:11:32.080 question no problem i'm a christian i i love you yeah but uh what what what what what i see today in

00:11:39.040 the world regarding islam yeah there's no judgment on people wherever we come from we love one another

00:11:46.000 yes especially as a christian yes but when i see islam today until i'm 74 years old now you look you look

00:11:55.120 45 45 yes thank you very much god bless you thank you but uh all all i see from islam and i've been

00:12:03.840 observing it now for the past 40 years i became a christian about 40 years ago i started to take an

00:12:09.760 interest in religious movements in the world all i have seen from islam in the past 40 years that i

00:12:17.120 have been watching is violence murder slaughter mayhem poverty that's all i see i don't i see the sunni

00:12:29.280 hating the shia i see the shia hating the sunni i see the wahibis hating the sunni sorry the shia

00:12:37.280 all hating one another that's all we see in murder i used to think a lot of the time that's

00:12:44.560 i mean i assume you've seen that in media and not sort of in real life is that this is real life yeah

00:12:49.680 but there's a lot of stuff that's pushed more in certain ways by being you know conflict the media

00:12:55.520 likes conflict so that's just a denial of what's actually happening no it's a denial if you and in the

00:13:01.600 iraq iran war there was over one million muslims killed one another this is a reality that's that's

00:13:08.640 that's a big can i can i say something over a million killed uncle you know uncle you know yeah

00:13:13.600 the iraq iran war that was that was a battle between shia and sunni no it wasn't uncle can i say something

00:13:19.520 i've been listening to you and you've repeated the words i see see see yeah yeah so where can i ask

00:13:24.720 television that's exactly my point because you keep saying i see and i was wondering if you went and saw it

00:13:29.280 it for yourself or you was shown it i've got friends who've come from muslim countries you've

00:13:34.080 told me about it christian friends who became christians yes and now they became christians

00:13:38.720 they're under the threat of death i i would say this is the biggest propaganda out there well that's

00:13:43.120 nonsense son so you said it's a lie if you allow me to well that's nonsense you're not you're not you're

00:13:47.920 telling a lie this is a reality if i can just elaborate in syria right now they're killing one and

00:13:53.760 yeah yemen they're killing one another god bless you i love you i'm not against you i'm just saying

00:14:00.320 to you as a human being but all i see from islam is slaughter murder and mayhem that's all i see

00:14:07.120 you've made a point if you would the thing is you've come here if you imagine if you're a christian

00:14:10.720 if i came and said the ira uh the laws resistant the crusaders and i came and said thank you very

00:14:16.000 much and i want to go would it be fair for me to come and make these accusations and then say i have to

00:14:19.520 go now i have to go now i have to go you have to go you have to go i'm just saying as a christian

00:14:24.880 that's all i see you know i have been attacked by muslims in this country for preaching the gospel

00:14:30.720 i'm sorry that is that's not i have been threatened my life has been threatened in this country yeah i

00:14:35.520 just met a woman today who was attacked with a muslim with a hammer she had a skull was cracked

00:14:43.120 in 12 places do you mind reading this this is from the quran do you want me to read it for

00:14:47.520 i've i've i've looked at the quran for over 15 years can i read it for you surah 9 it says when

00:14:52.640 the sacred months are over take the infidel captive and slay them and who are they the people who

00:15:00.240 persecuted muhammad infidels okay i'm an infidel god bless you thank you you be careful young man

00:15:05.760 thank you be careful i say that in love i love you i'm not against you but you've got to be honest thank you

00:15:11.520 you islam is not a religion of peace it's a religion of war and slaughter thank you muhammad

00:15:17.840 was a jihadist he was the first jihadist thank you sir god bless you thank you so so what happened

00:15:24.320 right there this is actually profound you see right there what's happened is a perception that's built

00:15:29.760 in the mind he came and told us it he didn't want to clarify and he said i this is exactly the problem

00:15:36.480 you see that was actually amazing i don't believe in coincidences everything happens for a reason

00:15:40.160 you see that man he came here said a few things yeah imagine if a bbc or someone was recording

00:15:46.400 you're gonna have people watching be like yes that's what he's talking about i wanted to clarify

00:15:50.400 yeah exactly do you see what i'm saying this would have been tommy would have loved this this would

00:15:55.360 have been beautiful yes yeah exactly exactly the weather the weather is perfect the conditions are

00:16:00.480 perfect it would have been amazing but you see the moment where i said to him can we just read this

00:16:04.080 quran verse i don't want to know what does that show you it shows you that he's saying i'm happy

00:16:09.040 believing what i'm believing and i do not want to know it don't tell me anything that may change my

00:16:13.680 mind however with yourself you broke that barrier you said no no i want i want to learn i want to

00:16:19.280 understand and that's why where you are today is where you are today myself personally my father hates

00:16:24.400 this now i speak to my dad my dad says the thing that i hate the most has been born into my family

00:16:28.320 but i say to my dad dad just read that's what i did before i came to islam i read i didn't take

00:16:34.480 media so i just want to be diverse in the quran here allah says in the quran allah does not forbid

00:16:39.120 you as regard to those who did not fight you based on your faith and did not expel you from your homes

00:16:44.480 that you do good to them and do justly with them so allah saying people that did not come and keep you

00:16:49.360 from your houses and persecuted you because you're a muslim he does not forbid you from being just and kind

00:16:54.000 to them so everything that he's saying the quran tells me to be just and kind to the christians

00:16:58.080 the jews anybody as long as you're not attacking me based on my faith and him quoting surah toba

00:17:03.680 he's talking about the prophet peace be upon him when he was attacked by the pagan arabs his family

00:17:08.800 his uh followers were persecuted so he's saying basically to defend yourself you're a jihadi so

00:17:14.480 as muslims what do we need to do we need to be we need to be we need to carry on being slaughtered

00:17:17.520 and that's a fine example man it's a fine example this is something i'm trying to understand so it's

00:17:22.400 yeah i mean i'm completely yeah do you know what i like should say here because i'm super um

00:17:30.640 if you like have any input i'm just completely like yeah yeah no no look how are you feeling

00:17:35.680 right now just how did that make you feel because that was wild um maybe he saw his old self there

00:17:41.040 yeah no i did i did see my own self yeah it's exactly the quotes kind of stuff that you used to say yeah

00:17:46.800 yeah yeah it's weird but he just yeah i don't know how i thought about that yeah it's weird

00:17:53.920 what was he saying that right in your head is what what made what made you like feel a reaction

00:18:01.760 when he said that islam is a religion of violence that he said that whenever you think of islam you

00:18:07.600 think of terrorism rape murder villaging that is the core of what we used to believe yeah with lauren

00:18:15.040 southern with our documentaries with everything um it's weird i haven't heard anything like it in

00:18:20.960 a long time and it's just yeah that's that's the reason you know i didn't think you know if you

00:18:27.440 remember you said that when so one last point the um the weirdest thing was he's just like a normal

00:18:32.480 person it's not yeah so yeah like it reminds me how yeah but but do you see you see like if we go

00:18:38.960 back to nazi germany when the nuremberg laws were implemented you see when you want to slaughter a

00:18:44.880 group of people it doesn't start with hey pick up the guns and we're ready to kill nobody will do

00:18:50.800 that nobody in their right mind will do that it's all justifying okay why do we need to get rid of

00:18:56.240 these people for a better future for our kids look this religion is bad these people are not bad but

00:19:01.920 they're brainwashed so what it does is it justifies so when you start the propaganda and the media if you

00:19:07.760 look at how the jews were treated in nazi germany where they were drawing pictures with their big noses

00:19:11.680 evil looking people you know what they were doing is they were preparing people psychologically and

00:19:16.720 mentally so when the day comes to pull the trigger they are ready to do it and this is exactly what's

00:19:20.960 happening with this man he could justify to himself and say like the for example the christ

00:19:25.600 church attacker yeah he justified it to himself and said these guys are the problem i need to deal with

00:19:30.320 the problem so he went out there and start shooting and killing innocent men women and children

00:19:34.880 why because he justified it to himself if he didn't if he didn't believe this and where did this come from he had a

00:19:40.080 connection to that guy um i forgot his uh face uh you know the guy tom robertson read the speech out

00:19:47.760 martin selma yes exactly and he was even giving money towards them yeah so why why is that happening

00:19:53.920 because these words that we deem to be freedom of speech it's basically a free ticket to spew the

00:20:00.960 nonsense that i want to do and then tommy's not going to do because tommy lives in a nice house in a

00:20:04.800 mansion he's got a jacuzzi he'll be zipping his tea while he's got his foot soldiers people like you i'm

00:20:09.120 telling you same goes with majid nawas do you think if majid nawas if you believe blowing yourself up

00:20:14.560 goes paradise go and do it yourself in a desert somewhere else and blow yourself up yeah okay if

00:20:19.840 you believe go look if you believe in paradise instead of getting these youngsters that you're

00:20:23.600 brainwashing to go and do your dirty job while you're sitting on your comfy home you go and do

00:20:28.560 it that's the reason why we confront hate from both sides because they're both i believe they're both

00:20:32.640 business partners they work with each other you have somebody who gets paid for smashing windows

00:20:37.120 and then you have the guy who sells windows yeah they both benefit of each other you smash the

00:20:41.280 window we'll sell it we'll give you a little profit tommy and isis are buddies they love each

00:20:45.040 other i'm being honest with you when an attack happens i genuinely believe tommy gets happy i

00:20:49.360 believe he says that's what we need because in order for us to achieve our agenda okay he has said

00:20:54.560 that said what like if a terror attack happens like it helps good it's good like for example

00:21:04.800 it makes people angry and it makes it more sympathetic tommy and it usually causes a massive

00:21:09.600 spike of views exactly and and and and isis they they love the same thing with isis when when an

00:21:15.040 attack happens christ church see what they're doing to our brothers and sisters in iraq one million you

00:21:19.280 see what they're doing time will take revenge that exactly itself for the youngsters it's emotional

00:21:24.960 most of these youngsters who carry out the london bridge attacks what is that i speak to them i've

00:21:28.960 confronted some of them their ideology and their thinking is but they do it to our brothers and

00:21:33.120 sisters i say to them okay bush and tony blair or whoever they do it to our brothers and sisters

00:21:38.480 is bush my teacher or the prophet muhammad who's who's our teacher bush or tony blair or the

00:21:43.520 prophet muhammad prophet muhammad would the prophet peace be upon him go and kill innocent

00:21:46.320 people no so don't give me false analogies of tony blair's not my teacher i'm not gonna look at

00:21:50.880 tony blair like okay he's killed a million people okay let me go do the same he's not my teacher

00:21:55.440 islam is what i live my life by and it doesn't teach that and what you said i know it

Ali Dawah - September 25, 2019

＂WHY I LEFT TOMMY ROBINSON＂ - SHOCKING INTERVIEW WITH CAOLAN ROBERTSON

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