WILL NON MUSLIMS GO HELL FOREVER？ - ATHEIST CONVINCED
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Summary
In this episode, we have a discussion about the Quranic view on hellfire and what it means to be condemned to hell forever. What does the Qur'an say about hellfire, and what does it mean to be in hell forever?
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okay assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh brothers and sisters and dear friends
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i was reading my book and then came a gentleman this handsome gentleman what's your name tony
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tony how you doing cheers me and you had a nice discussion yeah remember uh two weeks ago after
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three weeks ago and then i went home and guess what what the michaelson recording and i was
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devastated well speaker's corner's lost exactly so yes so anyways you're here today you said you
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wanted to ask me a question yeah i'm interested in what the quran's view is on hell hell yeah
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i'm hearing from different muslims cheers thank you yeah i'm hearing from some muslims that the
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position is that it's possible to be condemned to hell forever yeah and from other muslims
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that that's metaphorical and that nobody ends up in hell forever so i i'm asking what your
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understanding is okay the orthodox position is that um there there is going to be people who
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will end up in hell forever there are going to be muslims who are going to be in hell not forever
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there are the munafikun uh the disbelievers who are going to be in the lowest part of the hellfire
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uh and they're going to get the most severe punishment right um there are people who allah has
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mentioned specifically that they are in hellfire forever like abu jahal abu lahab uh phiraun so
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our position in islam about hellfire is the following if you die upon disbelief
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we will say your origin yeah because your original position is that you died on disbelief
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however can i say that you're going hellfire no so let me make this clear for you again
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i get it when you die if we for example we will say you will not be buried with the muslims because
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you died as a disbeliever uh-huh your original position by default is you died as a disbeliever
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if i pass away my original position or passing away is as a muslim no one can come and say ali
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dawah was doing dawah for so many years and he made so many people come to accept this stamp which
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is not true by the way but i was amazing person whatever it may be no one can say i'm going heaven
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no one can say you're going hell okay my my concern is that your view of allah is that he would
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condemn some of his creation to eternal hell a lot of his creation thank you that was very clear yeah
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a lot of his creation now now do you understand that for a lot of people who aren't muslims that's
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a particular sticking point no it won't be because i've got a little well i am one of them i've got
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i've got a little gift for you and this gift that allah god almighty has given to all human beings
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is the following and no other religion has this not christianity not buddhism not hinduism not
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sikhism not christianity not judaism yeah here's the following the prophet peace be upon him told
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us and allah says in the quran we do not punish any nation until we send the messenger so let's
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make this clear god almighty is saying we will never punish any nation until a messenger has gone
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there and told them clear cut that the true way is the way of god i understand so so therefore
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in islam islam is the only religion that says the following listen carefully if anybody there's four
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people a child who hasn't reached age or puberty a person who is insane the mental uh a person who
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hasn't heard the message of islam sure and some scholars even say a person who's heard the message
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of islam but in a distorted way terrorism yeah i get it i get it so so what we are told these people
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will be tested on the day of judgment because allah it will be we believe god almighty is the most
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merciful very merciful okay with respect i think i understand where you're coming from okay i like
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the fact that you don't want to preemptively judge people who've got mental problems or who haven't
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heard the word people will end up in hell forever forever yes and i am politely expressing that that
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creates concern for some of us and some muslims will be in hell as well when we're trying to look benignly on
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that view can you understand did i answer that question you did but you know you were clear
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enough to give me a clear answer allah does do that i'm hoping you can understand why no no no no no
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allah does do that because you know what's interesting before i was coming here on the
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phone i was in muhammad hijab i want to explain this to you when allah talks about hellfire allah says
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that the hellfire is something that they earned when allah talks about paradise he says it is something that
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they inherited a lot of us feel that you'll hear this voiced a lot a lot of us feel that infinite
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punishment for a finite transgression is a disproportionate level of no it's not so if
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you've gone he goes to hell for a while and then he comes out you might have gone finite punishment for
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finite transgression particularly seeing as god created you to be fallible and fine okay but because
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god seems to have gone i'm going to build you fallible you're going to get some things wrong
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and if you get certain things wrong i'm going to punish you infinitely a lot of us can't gel that
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with the idea okay okay let me explain that to you yeah so here is a misunderstanding of you allah is
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yeah the question is the following we live a finite life why would we be destined to hellfire forever
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that's the question that was sorry that was thank you that was okay so the question is we live a finite
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life why would god put us in hell forever when we live the people and we're fallible people let me
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explain to you yeah let's suppose arguments say for every day of disobedience to god you deserve one
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day in hellfire okay would you say that is fair it's fairer fairer okay all right now if you live 50
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years yeah and 50 years in hellfire that's fair fair okay if god knows that through the rest of your life
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if you live the billion trillion years you're going to be doing the same sin again and pointing to
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hellfire is that just you know what now let me be clear what i'm going to say now because i don't
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want you to write this up as ali darwa convert stupid atheist okay fine you're not stupid you're
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having a very intelligent but i enjoyed talking to you i've never heard that argument before
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and that does go some way i don't believe i don't think it's the case i've never heard that argument
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before and it would go some way to resolving yeah i don't okay you shifted me 10 okay tony so what
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i would say is look my job here is having a nice civilized discussion yeah we learn from each other
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i listen to you sometimes i learn from you yeah the concept of islam this imagination of god almighty
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is this monster who wants everyone to go hellfire is not islam in islam allah wants paradise i hope so
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he does you know why because he's the most merciful let me tell you something islam when you smile
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is charity you get reward look you guys have got a lot of great things no no no but what i'm trying
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to say there's a lot about islam i think it's true thank you but what i'm saying tony hear this out
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yeah god almighty has created us and he wants paradise for us he does not want anyone to go hellfire
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let that be very clear the god that we worship is not a god that's saying oh who can i throw in hellfire
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this is not allah in the quran every single chapter except surah toba allah says the most merciful
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the very merciful god almighty tells us his mercy is in hundred forms only one of them is in this
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earth yeah and 99 is saving in the hereafter yeah so the question is this that god does god want
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hellfire for us no he's created you he wants you to acknowledge him worship him and he wants paradise
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is not something you earn paradise is something given to you so what okay oh that's a whole new listen
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you've got to go that's a whole new i thought you earned it the whole premise of religion is that
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you're responsible for your moral choices no no no okay you're caught in an existential but this is
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what i'm saying that's another debate in the quran okay okay i'll just explain to you for the next
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debate bear in mind yeah in the quran hellfire you earn it it's your deeds that done that paradise
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is something rewarded so the default is paradise it's not yes it's rewarded to you okay it's not something
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you earn because unless you unless you screw up you go to heaven no no no if you really screw up when
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i mean really i'm talking about really well you're better if you're going to hell forever yeah but but
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but god almighty has given you vast options to worship him i'll hold it just a minute vast options
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to uh worship him and the doors of paradise are there and there is a big chance for you to enter in
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paradise if you don't then that's your fault okay listen nice any last words any last words no that
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was great thank you thank you it's a pleasure yeah i hope we can do this we always love yes 100
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determinism we need to do yes hard determinism yeah yeah yeah okay thank you thank you thank you
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so guys as you can see today at salam corner we had a beautiful discussion with tony uh actually
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a really nice discussion with him a couple of weeks ago but there was no audio but as salam we've got
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a new cameraman he's making things happen you see that crisp camera as you can see brothers and sisters
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