00:05:56.360oh no not really this is why they're here no it's fine this is that's a pretty good history man
00:06:05.400although you know i'm not going to claim more credit than i should in in some respects and
00:06:09.880i'll also point out that assange and albrecht you know they they made it if not worse for where but
00:06:17.120i mean they made it they got they got through um but i i think i know what you mean like those
00:06:23.360projects as embodied by those people were stopped and in an important way like ours wasn't and and
00:06:30.900agree with you it's not because i'm like particularly intelligent or like um had the
00:06:35.520kind of magic words as an attorney or a law student i think personally when i when i meditate
00:06:43.240and i look back at it it's it's because there was an aspect of cold war politics in the
00:06:49.820administrative state that's just a quirk of history a quirk of luck you know and you can
00:06:56.200explain it like in you know schmidtian terms or something you can explain why it worked and i think
00:07:01.160it's simply like that's how large the blind spots are when there really only is one like superpower
00:07:08.540in the nomos of the earth if you will so that and i can go into that later and we can take it back
00:07:15.800to liberator i'm just saying i think it's almost like an accident of of cold war politics that i
00:07:20.380was able to kind of escape justice in the first 10 years of 3d guns no uh yeah i i very much see
00:07:31.460that but i also see like um looking back at it you did have it's at your coin press and how much
00:07:39.480of the groundwork you have laid to um kind of force the state into a like challenging legal
00:07:48.060fight from the start like uh like Julian Assange and Julian Assange obviously was like
00:07:57.420trying to like always had a legal argument a journalistic argument but he was he was a foreign
00:08:06.500actor he was based out of the UK which is like not a a like if you're going to take on the
00:08:15.700bureaucrats the uk is not the place to stage your last stand and and it just like he had all these
00:08:25.720interesting plevers at his disposal but he was ultimately set up for like cyber security more
00:08:34.880the legal fight obviously um ross albert uh with with uh silk road uh he his wasn't his security
00:08:46.880was entirely opsec base you know he was explicitly running a cartel or like a spinoff of what a
00:08:56.520cartel is uh that's controversial but those were the charges from the start he knew those would be
00:09:02.320the charges from the start start and yes moto uh you know his plan was to disappear disappear
00:09:11.880whereas um you you chose your ground very very well you chose austin texas usa and you chose to
00:09:20.560immediately like have press releases even before the liberator was was released the liberator for
00:09:27.380those of you at home was the first 3d printed firearm basically basically a zip gun like uh
00:09:34.100in terms of firearms mechanics it's like not not revolutionary aside for the fact that it's 3d
00:09:41.000printed and it was more a in a lot of ways it was more of a publicity stunt than a like real
00:09:49.360tech demo because of course you can get hype and make make a single shot firearm you know
00:09:55.860These have been made since like 1100 AD, but the staging and the plotting of it, the kind of legal, political, media campaign was actually, take this how you will, but like any like civil rights lawyer in the future should be studying your campaign as like one of the really brilliant Supreme Court.
00:10:25.860lauded campaigns thank you and it's that's very kind and it's an interesting time for you to say
00:10:34.180that because we just lost uh our first supreme court case uh last week uh that was a the ghost
00:10:41.120gun case you may have seen in the news um so there's like you know there's obviously the
00:10:46.980campaign to get to the supreme court and the attempt to within to operate within the american
00:10:53.120legal system and structure. And then the kind of knowledge that, you know, you know, they're
00:11:00.080always going to invent some reason why, uh, you know, they don't, they don't have to get to the
00:11:04.180merits of the decision, which is what, again, what the, even the Supreme court did here, this is,
00:11:08.840this is also like the, just the facts of our, our litigation in the past 12 years.
00:11:14.100We always have these great merits questions because like you said, we've posed them in
00:11:18.580really difficult ways, which actually do appeal to the tradition of American
00:11:23.480jurisprudence, things like the Second Amendment, the First Amendment. And so it becomes almost the
00:11:29.700reflexive exercise of these courts, courts of appeal, and now the Supreme Court, to find some
00:11:34.220way that they can avoid those ultimate judgments. If you don't mind, I'd back up again. And I think
00:11:41.860a way to thread, to characterize these projects and to differentiate, let's say, Liberator and
00:11:48.200what became defense distributed from the Toshi, you know, Assange, and I was able to meet Assange
00:11:54.700over the years. Again, I think what differentiates the projects is they fortunately or unfortunately
00:12:01.000had to define themselves as outside the United States. And I mean that like in a legal, legal
00:12:07.540fact as cultural fact, they, they were define themselves as outside in cyberspace or, you know,
00:12:13.400julian's case of course he was relying upon european ideas of the law um of course he was an
00:12:21.240australian the liberator project defense distributed tellingly knowingly right begins with an american
00:12:29.140idiom and says first and foremost of course this is the logical historical result of the second
00:12:35.540amendment and so you're you're asking the government to go to war with itself basically
00:13:35.180who are wondering where deep in the weeds,
00:13:38.160uh the real legal challenge to cody was not that he built a 3d printed firearm
00:13:47.080uh if i recall uh from reading your book you had an ffl like you're perfectly licensed
00:13:53.580to make a firearm you were like you're licensed to make a firearm out of metal you're licensed
00:14:01.620to make a firearm of plastic you were licensed to you know there are some restrictions on what
00:14:08.060can be made you can't make a short barrel rifle and there's tons of finicky things but
00:14:13.340the actual manufacturing of the liberator pistol this um model i think 3d printed
00:14:19.820hunk of plastic that that a round would go through and not blow off your fingers
00:14:25.400hopefully uh uh that was perfectly legal the the thing you did that started like a decade of legal
00:14:35.380challenges is you put cad files on the internet like uh like the core crime that mr wilson here
00:14:44.100committed is not that he built a firearm with the 3d printer and designed designed a file to do it
00:14:53.440it's that he then uploaded that file to the internet and of course immediately it was then
00:14:58.260like scraped and put on torch sites so as soon as it was out there it was out there it's it's gone
00:15:04.400To this day, there are websites online where, in spite of your legal fights, you can get designs for basically every type of firearm under the sun off one of these file sharing platforms or off a dedicated site.
00:15:23.920If you're not in the U.S., you have to use, like, a VPN or you have to use a burner laptop with a VPN, but these are, like, really trivial to get, and yet that was a crime.
00:15:36.660That was the thing they fought you for and are still fighting you for is putting a string of code on the Internet for others to see it.
00:15:47.640And that's an interesting legal challenge because, of course, there's already a legal fight in the 90s about can you put proprietary code and information on the internet when pretty good privacy, original encryption in the 90s.
00:16:14.160There's the entire cypher wars over was the code to run like a cryptographic cipher,
00:16:23.840like a public cryptographic cipher to have like secure communications.
00:16:28.900What that we now all use, like your emails are encrypted,
00:16:32.380like HTTPS on every website is a layer of encryption.
00:16:38.700That was a controlled good in the 90s.
00:16:40.920code to do that was was like consider a military secret and people were putting this
00:16:48.500this out there and they were being taken to court over it and um the legal cases were actually very
00:16:56.260interesting because you're forbidden from like transparent code well code is just a string of
00:17:03.900figures what if you put print a book with that code in it and that was one of the famous legal
00:17:09.560challenges is that someone had printed the code for an encryption sniper in a book and published
00:17:15.560the book book that you know you'd have to use machine learning or you have to hand copy it
00:17:21.040put in a computer but it was out there in a book and i was concerned a munition um a t-shirt was
00:17:26.520printed this t-shirt is a controlled munition and cannot be exported because they put the code for
00:17:35.000the for the for the encryption encryption program like the encryption key on the t-shirt
00:17:43.460so this question of what is ironically this question of what is a weapon and what is speech
00:17:51.220uh you made it very explicitly a handgun gun and a cad file that is that a weapon or is that speech
00:17:59.820Can the government control that or is that First Amendment protected?
00:18:04.540This is already happening in the at the extreme definition of both speech and weapon with cryptographic files in the in the 90s, which is part of the reason I find it insane that they like challenged you over it in 2012, 2013.
00:18:26.420Well, you know, that's why they did it.
00:18:28.340I mean, you look at it correctly, but that is why they did it because there was this
00:18:31.460precedential value and basically when the national security council met about what to
00:18:37.300do about liberator and the other files that were popping up on the internet, they had,
00:18:42.020they had this fight fall back to and look to.
00:18:45.300And of course there's, you could say the state department, right?
00:18:49.700Like in your, in your theories of the state, the state department runs the show anyway.
00:18:53.940And so it was the state department's preference to make this an ITAR fight.
00:18:58.340And they had a strong hand to do that.
00:19:01.760At the same time, in 2013, even after the results of the Bernstein and Zimmerman fights that you're referencing, PGP and RSA and all that, it had never been conceived.
00:19:16.420by 2013 it had still never been conceived that people would develop these technical data related
00:19:22.620to munitions and then just share it on the internet for for social reasons uh it's still
00:19:31.360not really been imagined in the law and even i remember um stuff in 120 in the cfr like discussing
00:19:38.040how you know the practicalities of itar some of that stuff hadn't been updated since the 1980s
00:19:44.900and it had not even contemplated the fact of an internet.
00:19:48.620So we were talking about just this huge exposure
00:19:50.800where, you know, like in the cultural theory
00:20:35.620not just a First Amendment and Second Amendment case.
00:20:37.880You don't know what the court's going to like.
00:20:40.100Will the Supreme Court ultimately decide
00:20:41.440this is a speech case or a gun case, right?
00:20:43.220Like you had to have both kind of groups along for the ride.
00:20:46.760And this was before the Great Reckoning that Trump forced.
00:20:49.440So we even had attachment from, you know, like journalist committees for, you know, the Free Press and the ACLU.
00:20:58.020I mean, it was a strange time when kind of everyone, even if progressionally, even then, was along for the ride because it just affected too many things to get it wrong.
00:21:29.520Your book just covers one year of your, your side.
00:21:32.880It covers basically from when you decide to start, um, defense district or the precursor,
00:21:40.580uh i'm not sure if it was named and it's attributed at that point up till the liberator was
00:21:46.380was printed and that's a book-like story that and it's insane story it's a it's really one of like
00:21:54.260the crazy cyber thriller story uh real life cyber thriller stories of our time but that's one year
00:22:02.260of the scythe you like uh the the legal madness since then uh uh spanning multiple contents and
00:22:13.180at this point and you know german east german police assassinating one of your um
00:22:21.100call spiritual colleagues peers uh jay stark right uh like like this has been insane
00:22:29.900story sorry so so what is the state of the law now because we know the practical reality is0.89
00:22:39.260you can't really stop this um you know rohingya muslims and and buddhist militias are now 3d
00:22:49.560printing firearms in the myanmar civil war um you know 3d printers are being used to like0.77
00:22:56.620make parts for like fpb direct homebrew fp3 fpb drones in both syria and and ukraine like this
00:23:07.440genie is out of the box there's some 3d printer in like one of the deepest tunnels in gaza uh
00:23:14.400printing off parts, in part because of this revolution, in part because that's what everyone
00:23:23.200else is doing. If you didn't do it, someone else would have. But the legal battle, though,
00:23:33.860what is the state of law right now? You just lost a case at the Supreme Court. Take us into that.
00:23:38.620What was the operative question? I did. That case had two questions, or at least we all thought it
00:23:44.160did. That's how the Supreme Court defined it. And these are secondary questions. They don't
00:23:51.920necessarily touch on 3D printing per se, but those questions are, as presented to the Supreme Court
00:23:57.040most recently, what's the definition of a frame or receiver? And is the ATF exceeding its authority
00:24:02.960by trying to expand the statutory definition of frame or receiver or weapon as defined in the
00:24:10.1801968 Gun Control Act by kind of lumping these new ghost gun kits and unfinished receivers within
00:24:17.380that definition. I didn't say that as cleanly as I could have, but that was, you know, this was
00:24:21.940the so-called ghost gun case. And ghost gun has become a term with some currency in the past few
00:24:26.660years, especially during the Biden administration. No doubt you've probably heard the term.
00:24:31.840It's one of the emanations, one of the practical, like screenings that the popular press and,
00:24:38.360you know, political actors have done in the post 3D printing gun moment, they've said,
00:24:44.040well, certain guns are, are now ghost guns and we can come up with new theories for how to regulate
00:24:48.660them, um, by their stage of completion, by their ability to be readily identified by how many
00:24:57.280components are sold within a kit. So it's, it's kind of like this second generation of gun control.
00:25:03.140And I would say that we've lost the first important fight before the Supreme Court.
00:25:11.320All right. So for you listeners at home, who I imagine the majority of our listeners probably don't know how to disassemble a firearm.
00:25:22.340I have a lot of international listeners.
00:25:25.980A receiver, the main receiver, the primary receiver of a weapon is what in the U.S. and most of U.S. associated states, Canada has similar laws that kind of overlap, kind of don't.
00:25:44.320But a receiver is what's considered the heart of the firearm.
00:25:47.420In an AR-15, which is maybe the easiest one to conceive, there's two receivers, the lower receiver and the upper receiver.
00:25:56.540The lower receiver, which houses the trigger, the magazine release and feet, feet ramp, holds the bolt carrier when it's in.
00:26:12.600This is considered the beating heart of the firearm.
00:26:15.860This is, even without all the parts in it, just the chunk of metal that is the lower receiver, this empty shell of metal that has some holes drilled in it, it is considered a firearm, despite the fact that it's, like, actually one of the simplest, most easy-to-built parts in a firearm, compared to, say, the barrel, which has, like, pressure durances, or the bolt carrier, which has, like, all these finicky little parts and extractors.
00:26:45.860Extractors, compared to the trigger group, which is like this little kind of cloth work device, the receiver, this hunk of metal that is very simple when left out its own, it's considered the fire.
00:27:31.280Because ultimately, regardless of the technical justifications or definitions, this is all historically contingent in the law.
00:27:40.340Like you point out, there's no real guideline rule about pressure-bearing components necessitating definition as a receiver in the United States.
00:27:50.280Although there was something like that in the past.
00:27:53.060You have something like that in Europe.
00:27:54.560the United States, it's almost entirely accidental and just a feature of where people in OEM
00:28:01.760manufacturers began just stamping serial numbers for arms and commerce. And then you get these
00:28:08.400post hoc justifications through, you know, layers of regulatory decision in the 20th century that
00:28:15.320end up becoming justified in court and stuff as like, well, you know, this is why the lower
00:28:21.000receiver of the ARs. This is why it's important. And again, it's not true, but okay, this becomes
00:28:27.380glazed over again with even things like Supreme Court decisions like we've just gotten,
00:28:31.940making it all somehow make sense since the 1960s. It's just important to know that
00:28:36.180it's all entirely contingent. Nevertheless, the accident of, for example, the AR-15 receiver being
00:28:43.660a regulated component, it is just a fact of the way that gun is built with new materials and stuff
00:28:49.420that you could make that lower receiver out of plastic.
00:28:52.280And that ends up being one of the most important facts
00:29:18.660If you're willing to break every law, it's actually more challenging as a non-American,
00:29:23.760because in America, everything that's not the receiver is largely unregulated.
00:29:31.100Like, you can order, even as a convicted felon and preacher,
00:29:34.880you can order basically all the parts of a firearm except the receiver.
00:29:39.660Like, if you're ordering, like, handguards or trigger groups or whatnot,
00:29:45.400that's considered just another object in the world.
00:29:47.920that's a doohickey that's a party that's a that's a screw screw which is part of the interesting
00:29:54.980fact about firearms is compared to say swords or spears or or like most historical weapons which
00:30:02.980are monolithic or like very obviously have a monolithic core part of it the the head of the
00:30:10.280spear, spear, say, or the blade of the sword. Firearms are assemblages of hundreds of individual
00:30:18.660parts, which all wear out, which all have to be replaced at some point, or can break ran wear,
00:30:24.720or can be swapped out to achieve this or that. The modern AR-15 is basically a Lego set
00:30:32.700set that you assemble your own way and many people own like dozens of individual parts that
00:30:40.440are not on any individual firearm because they want to swap it out for something something else
00:30:46.220that the idea of trying to regulate the object of a firearm itself has always been a little
00:30:52.900quixotic and now that we're at the point of complete interchangeability is like
00:30:58.500well you can see it in your case in the current state of the law that it's
00:31:03.220that um the idea that the firearm itself is an idea or the firearm itself is a set of knowledge
00:31:13.260or the firearm itself is a a like abstraction like uh that seems you know to the listeners at
00:31:23.920Well, that might seem like a very quixotic, like philosophical interpretation, but no.
00:31:28.640In terms of like the firearm itself, the firearm itself is a hundred individual pieces, almost none of which are actually controllable or regulatable.
00:31:38.860You know, Vietnamese guerrillas in caves were assembling little bamboo barrels to with nails that they used as traps to set off to set off priors out fire one shot into the foot of a GI.
00:35:31.100But for how absolute the First Amendment is
00:35:37.100and for how cut and dry the Second Amendment is supposed to be,
00:35:41.960the Supreme Court in your case has pretty much given the ATF
00:35:47.320the power to define, define firearm in such a way that not only tramples the Second Amendment,
00:35:56.100but, but gives it wide latitude to define speech itself as, as firearms, not even with
00:36:05.540a kind of dry definition, but with, um, whatever standard they wish to apply. And if, if you,
00:36:15.240If they decide to completely trample your rights with that, you know, have fun with a 10-year legal battle, the ACLU isn't going to come along for you now.
00:36:30.560And look, I don't want to be accused of overstating the problem, but speech is certainly now inclusive within the definition of a firearm after this case.
00:36:40.980And the Supreme Court would tell you, hey, we didn't decide a Second Amendment case.
00:36:44.060that wasn't the question presented. This was an APA case about, you know, can an agency define a
00:36:49.660term that it's charged to define under the statute? You know, can it define it? Was it outside of its
00:36:54.740power to do that? Okay. They ducked that direct question and said, okay, well, here's a test.
00:36:59.720We all celebrate the end of Chevron deference, for example, if we follow Supreme Court and if
00:37:05.460we're kind of right-wing affiliated or something, we might say, okay, you know, the advent of Trump,
00:37:10.480of the Trumpian revolution, the end of Chevron deference, hey, it represents some major setback,
00:37:14.660at least conceptually for the administrative state, because now with Republican lawyers and
00:37:18.960federal judges, we're not bound to defer to agency interpretations of statutory definitions or
00:37:25.940something. But what the principal in our case just decided is something worse than Chevron,
00:37:32.880which is like, well, if you can imagine application of this administrative rule,
00:37:38.000which reaches at least one actual object, uh, well then, you know, the, the rule is presumptively
00:37:47.220valid. And, and how did the court do that? In our case, they said, well, look, we don't have
00:37:51.660to go through the record and do a bunch of line drawing. You know, we're not going to settle what
00:37:55.100is and isn't a firearm today, but we're going to, let's look at this kit that this company
00:37:58.960Polymerati sold. They named their kit buy, build, shoot. And really other factors aside, it's all
00:38:05.480in the name and so because they decided the name of that um for sure this kit among others is
00:38:11.260definitely regulated by the statute and therefore the statute is presumptively valid but you can see
00:38:15.520how the speech the marketing the commercial speech at least about this product was a determinant
00:38:23.340in deciding whether it met the gca definition of a firearm that's that's nuts man
00:38:29.620yeah and was was that mentioned in any of the dissents or was that just like um
00:38:36.740completely washed over by by the yeah i mean alito has this kind of grousing
00:38:43.600it's almost a concurrence but it's a dissent where he's like ah the majority just kind of1.00
00:38:48.140invented some shit here they just pulled this out of their ass this is a dumb test um0.99
00:38:52.640alito basically says as much as that but this is a 7-2 case man i mean this was not hard1.00
00:38:59.600in some I don't know what the different majorities might have looked like in this case but they give
00:39:04.300it to Gorsuch maybe as a way of narrowing decision and kind of styling this thing as a conservative
00:39:12.300victory but these conservatives on this court they are always are outsmarting themselves and
00:39:17.480and this is a nightmare and we're critics of the administrative state you could see how this is
00:39:21.880this is incredible not just for gun cases or speech cases but Jesus Christ this is like
00:39:27.000basically high pro for the administrative state trump moment or not it's like okay i guess every
00:39:35.040rule under the salerno test is invalid unless an agency is so crazy that they write a reg that
00:39:41.280doesn't even correspond to any given reality i mean that's a crazy test any for those of you who
00:39:49.700are listening and completely lost uh the death of chevron doctrine um i can't recall the specific
00:39:56.180case name but chevron doctrine is this policy from the 80s that said uh regulations that were
00:40:04.020written by regulatory agencies not laws uh clarifications of laws so congress writes a law
00:40:12.620you know schoolhouse rock rock it's supposed to be it goes through the three branches of
00:40:17.620government it gets written down it gets passed and that's where the law is it's in a bill that
00:40:24.500you can read. What has been happening with the administrative state is agencies have been
00:40:30.940empowered to write interpretations of laws that might be dozens or hundreds of pages long that go
00:40:38.880into incredible minute detail and are maybe quite irrelevant to anything that is written in the law.
00:40:48.420And of course, their regulations are not laws. They do not pass the three branches. They were
00:40:53.400not voted on uh they were just some guy who was never elected in a in a suit in a building in dc
00:41:02.380uh decided to interpret a law in such a way that now his whims are getting the power enforcement
00:41:12.180of whatever penalty congress put down down for it and what was supposed to have happened this
00:41:21.000was supposed to be the great victory of trumpism this was supposed to be on paper the mechanism
00:41:26.560whereby like elon and doge could start winding back the entire uh deep state the federal monstrosity0.98
00:41:35.220administrative beast um you know fdr's bastard child who's now grown to the size the size of0.83
00:41:43.180the earth uh uh what the repeal of chevron doctor was supposed to do is say no the law is the law0.92
00:41:53.000some interpretation written by some bureaucrat in dc is not presumptively valid valid you know
00:42:03.040you get to to go to court and debate the law as it is written and if it's not written in the law
00:42:11.840You know, you can't be held accountable because you didn't pay attention to what some random bureaucrat wrote in his dream diary.
00:42:22.080But we understand certain facts about the federal judiciary, right, and the elite bar.
00:42:26.460And, of course, they socially, culturally, they all skew toward this weird civic, aggressive civic religion.
00:42:35.440And so, you know, even a requirement that they are basically saying, hey, they don't have to defer.
00:42:40.580It's like, well, OK, but they still can and they still will. And when you look at the history of these cases, it's like, OK, well, such a victory we have where, OK, they're no longer required to defer. But of course, they can still choose to defer. Right. You know, it's this this is what we're sold as as earth shattering stuff in the circles of Republican and professional lawyers in this country.
00:43:04.300And now there's a new thing that we have in the administrative wars, which is Vanderstock. And I can't know that Vanderstock will be abused this way, but I've seen my other cases abused and they've certainly not been as significant as this one.
00:43:20.480yeah the um i i've often said that the judicial class is the true enemy of the the people that
00:43:31.300um not just judges but um the class that they identify with the lawyers throughout the bureaucracy
00:43:36.840of dc the lawyer the lawyer guild of people who who get into some institutional opposition because
00:43:45.280they're writing regulatory fine or because they're writing their participating case law
00:43:51.360because they're participating in the regulatory process um basically the judiciary because that's
00:43:59.300that that's their class that's uh when they retire and go to work at a law firm that's that's what
00:44:07.220they get paid paid for that's their connection that's that's their guilt now this priest has
00:44:15.100taken over america like as badly as any monastery ever took over henry the it's england like uh
00:44:23.380this is this is like the eunuchs in charge of manchu china or this is the you know this is the
00:44:32.020poisoners and court women taking out emperors uh in in ancient rome like this is the class of0.78
00:44:41.840people who have like really usurped the public in a in every way and this from an institution
00:44:49.160that like like originally the supreme court itself was not to have a significant interpretation power
00:44:56.460like uh like marbury b madison is something that was just like made up by the u.s supreme court
00:45:05.400like the founders themselves do not even conceive of the supreme court deciding constitutionality
00:45:10.600Or if they thought that the Supreme Court could refuse to enforce laws or like do things on the basis of constitutionality, they would have assumed that that was just like part of the oath that you had to refuse to do unconstitutional acts.
00:45:27.180And it was distributed throughout the entire federal government, like everyone who took that oath from president to congressman to to like military officer to like postal worker was he had the same power to interpret and refuse to do unconstitutional things.
00:45:47.480Well, I mean, constitutional review itself, as you pointed out, might not have been.
00:45:52.500What was exactly conceived in what we built.
00:45:55.620and of course i i'm not an originalist on this i don't know i mean i've read edwin ludlow on this
00:46:00.980a little bit where hey you want a supreme court as like a check on you know in a theory of
00:46:06.680republican checks and balances okay that but that doesn't mean that constitutional review
00:46:12.060of the decisions of the other branches was exactly what was supposed to happen there um yeah and
00:46:18.660And instead of like, and what the judiciary has really stolen for itself, is a monopoly on review.
00:46:28.720So, of course, there's a massive incentive for the judiciary to torture what words are.
00:46:34.380Because if you have a monopoly on review and interpretation, and you can make words and language and law as complex and ridiculous as possible,
00:46:46.700and you can like basically everyone in america is a post-water modernist now like uh this was
00:46:54.520uh kurdish yorban and like the uh what was the project erbit like uh this was like half the
00:47:04.640vision of like that which i'm not sure how far it's gone ahead and fallen up that project but
00:47:10.700Like, the pitch was, what if law was written in code that, obviously, the English language has gone from something that was, like, fairly solid in terms of meaning to now, like, if you're allowed to interpret words, you can, you know, whether you take a law class or an English lick class or, like, a psychology class, you know,
00:47:39.040you will be told that words can mean absolutely anything no matter what and in meaning is
00:47:45.380inherently meaning meaningless so or a logic clash you know we're at the point of so many
00:47:51.400contradictions that any contradiction implies absolutely anything and it's opposite so the
00:47:57.300the fact that judiciary is at this you know as if there isn't contradictions in the u.s legal
00:48:04.360But of course, I of course, I agree with you. It's just neither, though, am I trying to say it's certainly a fact of just reality testing that, OK, you understand progressives want to more or less siphon the power, the legislative power from Congress and give it to the administrative state.
00:48:22.480Okay. And it seems to me like the kind of counterbalance to this in the power process is Republican lawyers and professionals who want to take power away from the executive or Congress and then more or less give it to the judiciary, if only for the reason of just empowering the Republican lawyer profession.
00:48:42.220um that sounds like really cynical for me to say that i'm going to keep participating in the
00:48:48.320process don't get me wrong but this also is like an accurate description of what is going on
00:49:02.780it's as corrupt as like uh the catholic church right before the reformation like uh
00:49:12.220You know, you can interpret you can interpret divorce solvents as a form of indulgence, even that the sinnings of acting against your wife are now resolved in in the American legal system by giving money to lawyers.
00:49:27.740Yes. And then, of course, you need. Right. I agree with it.
00:49:32.560uh you know inflicting emotional strain on on a woman in the workplace is now
00:49:39.800now resolved through the american legal system and employment well like there is an actually a
00:49:46.620factor of life that cannot result in lawsuit lawsuit or some other suit where basically
00:49:53.620the judiciary is in power power in a godlike manner which is like part of the reason why
00:49:59.620I love your project because ultimately, like, I don't think this problem gets solved without, like, a Henry VIII-style solution.
00:50:07.560Like, I assume the system's just going to keep decaying and keep decaying until, like, such a point as it collapses due to the violence of, like, another class of people.
01:00:25.360no uh the you know you can just do things also the consequences will be completely random
01:00:36.040like uh right right like uh like um you know keeping it on the
01:00:48.200quote a ghost guns but completely uh back to to a topic my readers know well
01:00:55.040Like, uh, Luigi Mangione, uh, whether or not he would have gotten caught or whether they would have, like, thrown every resource at him is, like, completely random depending on, like, who he went after, why, why, etc.
01:01:10.940uh even which jurisdiction he went to after afterwards so it's probably some stay in the
01:01:16.720union where he just randomly like would not have like put an effort for a new york
01:01:22.960new york investing ever quest and and like uh depending on whether you get the complete iron
01:01:33.140sorrow and treatment like them pouring through every piece of facial recognition tech uh going
01:01:40.800to mcdolls and asking them to use their uh in-store facial recognition technology to track
01:01:46.720you down or whether um or whether you know the vast majority of murders in the u.s the majority
01:01:54.160now are unsolved and like basically get no resources dedicated to them that's basically
01:02:01.160random you know you know obviously mangi only like knew he was like kind of he was cooking the
01:02:09.400I've heard that, like, actually, even something of that scale would have been, is, like, increasingly random.
01:02:19.120You know, none of the people who went after Trump are really being investigated that intensively.
01:02:24.420Their ties are classified as being sheltered by various administrative assets.
01:02:28.860not even because the administrative assets were involved but because they just ideologically
01:02:33.720don't want to investigate ties to ukraine or ties to another agency see um and it's just
01:02:44.820increasingly random right you know what damn i'm i'm i totally forgot to this exact moment but
01:02:52.200Remember, like Trump V1 begins with Paul Manafort, who, you know, I mean, we have Ukraine to thank for that, you know, like I know it's it's a little bit of an overstatement.0.85
01:03:05.260But, you know, Manafort was like a kind of king, a kind of king of graft in in Ukraine.
01:03:10.660And of course, that's that's ancient history now, right?
01:03:13.620Like now we we think of the Biden's graft as overriding that somehow.
01:03:32.080You needed to only go back one more year and you would have seen some really, I mean, Ukraine was just known as this place in Europe that you go for the money.
01:03:40.280And that was just how politics worked in, you know, the mid 2000s.
01:14:20.520But the value of centralized media institutions,
01:14:29.900the kind of institutions that you manipulated,
01:14:33.700both the inter-media institutions like CNN, MSNBC,
01:14:41.140Fox, even outer media institutions like Reason Magazine,
01:14:46.780Which certainly had its role as being the outside-the-box box, where the dangerous ideas could be spelt, but only so dangerous and not touching on any actually dangerous topics.
01:15:05.380uh that ecosystem is completely dead in the water and and the kind of consensus systems
01:15:15.800of society are fully decentralized now like uh the over the over 70 nevorathic is really the
01:15:24.840only ones that are still still controlled by any of these institutions and they're
01:15:30.720they're expiring every day so there's a real question of what happens in the next five years
01:15:38.440like i don't think there could be a moral panic over 3d printed firearms today or and certainly
01:15:45.800not five years from now no in fact if there was if there was going to be it would have been
01:15:51.960mangioni was the touchstone like the he was the match point moment and instead there was almost
01:15:58.120this every time 3d printed guns touches the news but especially with mangioni it's not even
01:16:04.260bewilderment there's a kind of bemused reaction where it's like it's almost funny it's it almost
01:16:10.260delivers the point that the hit was crankish the fact that it was done with the 3d gun
01:16:16.060and still 3d printed guns stay outside of certain mainstream apprehension it's like every time
01:16:22.800they're talked about it's the first time they're talked about um and I these are not these are more
01:16:29.440than just like um I don't know sketched remarks I mean I was talking to the during the Mangione
01:16:35.500thing I was talking to everybody in what you would describe as intermedia and even those
01:16:40.260journals were handling it as kind of like well the 3d part isn't really the most important part
01:16:44.380of this and that's it's almost kind of silly and I'm surprised by that you know I didn't not not
01:16:50.280Like, I thought there'd be two or three moments like Liberator going forward, but there's
01:25:44.300that they at least complimented, you know, that...
01:25:51.100You know, a Columbine way could be a musical style.
01:25:56.960Like, it was a very distinctive, distinctive aesthetic ballet.0.56
01:26:04.800Ballet displaced men and girls become obsessed with.
01:26:08.840But, uh, but within the 3D printed space, um, obviously you have been following this much closer than I am. I sadly cannot play with this stuff at all being in a legal regime where, where like, that's basically entirely illegal and, you know, I'm politically exposed. If I get raided for something, I say a line, uh, I don't want.
01:26:37.560yeah yeah i can't have anything found in my apartment but you know it's what's funny is
01:26:43.180the state of the technology now you know canada kept it legal longer than i was just saying
01:26:49.460canada kept it legal longer than you might you might guess uh but you're you're still right to
01:26:54.540say it's we're closed to you now um the state of the law this is a complicated thing and it's
01:27:02.180always complicated with guns and gun law in the united states because there are the federal rules
01:27:06.560which have their notable exceptions and then there are the state laws which sometimes ignore
01:27:14.360the federal laws uh and then there are the the court the court precedents which you should
01:27:20.260consider as well and when you're in frontier activity like 3d guns all this stuff is being
01:27:25.380determined in these marginal places so there are states which have just tried to outright ban the
01:27:31.180activity. Like, um, in this case, I mean, New Jersey always pops up in these lists, but
01:27:35.560you know, you think of New Jersey, Nevada to some degree, like in vaguer terms, more vague terms,
01:27:42.780California, Washington, they're, they're really trying to make sure that the activity cannot
01:27:46.540happen. Um, now California is not the same situation as New Jersey, but, uh, and then
01:27:53.580there are States that are just trying to include the activity within and try to make it make sense
01:27:58.540with or comport with like standard gunsmithing or commercial gun activity to some degree that's what
01:28:04.980the the biden ghost the biden era ghost gun rules were doing they redefined like at the beginning
01:28:10.420of this podcast you you you had a taxonomy of rifle receivers and the biden era rule
01:28:17.540was an attempt to again redefine and recreate that taxonomy so now we have two families of
01:28:24.620receivers in the United States. We have rifle receivers. There can only be one. And we have
01:28:31.520handgun frames. And these can have complete and incomplete variants now, which according to the
01:28:37.180Supreme Court, either of which at any time, depending upon manifold circumstances, can still
01:28:42.220be considered a firearm. So we discussed some of that. So the federal rules now, especially after
01:28:48.200the Supreme Court decision, are more expansive. And in anticipation of those federal rules being
01:28:53.760backed up a lot of states have adopted the same definitions of frame and receiver and they've
01:28:59.840carbon copied the old school what's called the undetectable firearms act as a way of basically
01:29:05.400giving them backup firepower for if people are to 3d print guns that can pass through metal detectors
01:29:09.940which used to be one of the only ways of of regulating the activity and then there are some
01:29:14.520cities like philadelphia who are outliers that have just kind of gone out of their way to say
01:29:18.560you're never going to make a gun here with a 3d printer or a mill or anything else
01:29:22.160And, you know, they see they see the fact that, like, people can make guns and they're like, oh, yeah, you can't do that here.
01:29:28.480So the state of the law is unevenly distributed across these, like, different levels of jurisdiction.
01:29:34.540And we all look to the federal system to tell us what's going on.
01:29:38.140And even if Congress can't do anything about it, the court, the Supreme Court is saying it's a free for all.
01:29:43.120And you can basically do whatever you want.
01:29:47.780Interesting. And the state of the technology itself.
01:29:52.160Like, I've seen stuff that, you know, even pressure-bearing barrels that I saw a video online of a guy using removal electrolysis in, like, a bathtub to, like, convert a piece of piping into a rifled 9-millimeter barrel.
01:32:00.480Can you, like, if you're in, like, the most restricted country in Europe, if you're in
01:32:04.820britain because you like manufacture a air 15 technologically setting aside the legal question
01:32:12.960or is that like still very much beyond us yeah for an air 15 look you need a full machine shop
01:32:21.180if you're if you're really going to do it an air 15 but at the same time the fgc9 like you pointed
01:32:25.840out and its precursors like the ap9 still built with air 15 mechanics and fire control groups
01:32:34.100in mind. And really like the genealogy of that gun still begins with design of the AR-15 and
01:32:42.760being able to reproduce as many of those parts as you can. It's funny you mentioned Ludi. I mean,
01:32:48.300Ludi, SMGs are the beginning of a strain of pure DIY because of politics efforts. And in fact,
01:32:57.660we translate Ludi in our original Lucky Weapon effort. Like we wanted to make a gun and liberator
01:33:02.260that anyone in the world could make because we, you know, we were trying to make a global
01:33:06.700statement and like whatever inculcation. And okay, it's the retranslation of the liberator ethos
01:33:13.240in FGC-9 that makes that project so successful. There had been another more hobbyist gun that was
01:33:19.320being worked on by a different group of people in let's say the FOSCAD era. And one of its last
01:33:26.160versions was called the ap9 j stark's contribution was to take that more americanized ap9 and bring
01:33:34.160it back to pure commercial off-the-shelf components that anyone in europe could could produce so this
01:33:39.740actually represents the two major strands that still exist in in what we call gun cad or 3d gun
01:33:45.620culture there is an express obvious commercial subculture right it's impossible to make anything
01:33:54.080online not not a commercial culture at this point or like, you know, productized. And this culture
01:34:03.280really makes it has no pretenses about even being political. This happens a lot in gun culture on
01:34:07.960the Internet where they're like, hey, no politics, please. I just like my guns. And it's something of
01:34:12.040like an engineering ideology where they just exult in the product and the hobby itself and
01:34:19.520disclaim any political consequences or motivations. That's still happened in 3D guns. And a lot of,
01:34:25.500maybe even most of what you see on Foscad, like the subreddit or other places are
01:34:29.580people without much of a political orientation, a nascent one, maybe just building the guns
01:34:36.520because they're cool and available. And these guns include pistols, printed pistols, which are very
01:34:42.100popular of polymerity rail type designs or what's called the FMDA pattern. Mangione's pistol was an
01:34:48.280FMDA pistol, for example. And then more extensive or more involved projects are like building pistol
01:34:56.400caliber, sorry, pistol caliber carbines like the FGC-9 or versions like the DB-9. Again,
01:35:03.820the biggest group of these people doing this would call themselves hobbyists and at least pretend
01:35:08.780that they don't have politics or at least nothing outside of standard American Second Amendment
01:35:13.640politics and then i'm sorry no keep going this is excellent i thought i heard you um the you know
01:35:23.460the second and you could say it's a still a minority culture within 3d gun culture a minority
01:35:29.940subculture is a group that disclaims any commercial purpose even if it still has to make uncertain
01:35:37.100alliances with like industrial sellers of kit parts and within that camp there is okay still
01:35:44.820a political mission that political mission is still disoriented it has a kind of it suffers
01:35:51.580like any online leftism of like a you know it can't commit itself to certain
01:35:57.780metaphysics but it's absolutely dedicated to like leftist normativities like
01:36:06.620you know diversity inclusion you know reaffirming online profiles and like minority sexual identities
01:36:14.300and stuff this is just like what it is to be on discord you could say or what it is to be on
01:36:18.460twitter and so there's a confusion of the medium and the message but still within these communities
01:36:23.400there is the most virulent and i think virile form of 3d young culture it reproduces itself
01:36:29.760and teaches people the actual design of these objects and acquisition of the of these projects
01:36:36.420worldwide so the most effective and important projects being worked on are still within this
01:36:43.820this culture but again it's kind of unmoored from its truly post-modern origins um so 3d guns are
01:36:52.860still like a kind of a cringy difficult twitter mediated project of like uh basically a zoomer
01:37:01.720culture, um, that needs to constantly be reminded of what it's actually meant to be doing.0.96
01:37:08.520Hmm. More, more black trans political prisoners. Uh, yeah. Yeah. And some of this is a, of course,0.99
01:37:16.780the consequences of like online anarchist discourse, but you know, it all just gets so
01:37:21.400easily captured, um, by what, by what it is by, uh, you know, I, I read Hans George Mueller,
01:37:28.260for example and profile politics end up always getting in the way of the actual manifest 3d gun
01:37:35.040politics and the more interesting like media consequences of these things like well you know
01:37:40.660are they are they guns or not and we should always stand the idea rep the idea that these aren't guns
01:37:48.120and yet can become them but people bring back all the consequences of in the old fights of the 20th
01:37:56.680century where they want to you know reimpose things like patent copyright you know they want
01:38:01.340to bring they invite the state back into both like the economy of 3d guns and also its its core
01:38:07.840its core definitions that's a mistake but it's also unavoidable fair enough and as for
01:38:15.920we we discuss how 3d printers briefly how 3d printers have been like the spotted printing
01:38:25.480off of weapons in like Myanmar and elsewhere. Have you seen any developments in kind of the
01:38:36.120use of them on the czar world of the modern battlefield or? Yeah, we have. I mean, people,0.93
01:38:45.000that Myanmar story is the big one. Everyone points to that. Even the State Department points to it
01:38:49.960the redefinition of some of its ITAR controls. And so it's the most, what, salient example.
01:38:57.320And yet, you know, where 3D printed guns really seem to have a true life is in European criminal
01:39:05.480cultures and kind of other non-American criminal cultures. And even then it's as almost an ironic,0.54
01:39:12.780more like statement of fashion you know there's there's this ironic relationship that even the
01:39:20.300criminal element has with it which i find fascinating where like the law enforcement
01:39:26.860and like surveillance institutions are kind of like over committed to treating the threat
01:39:32.920seriously when you know what's funny about the phenomena is that it's um it's not all that
01:39:39.000serious and yet can be airsoft conversions represent something similar to me like you know
01:39:44.600these things are toys and yet like yeah you can still kill people with them yeah even0.80
01:39:51.560like the insane thing about europe and them trying to control firearms is that like they have
01:39:59.140immediate like unsecured borders with with both both like the russian steppe and like north
01:40:08.880africa like uh the the idea that they're going to stop or limit the transfer of firearms across
01:40:18.380across the continent when they don't even have internal borders to the eu
01:40:22.620like uh you can drive from france to estonia or even finland without passing through like a
01:40:32.500checkpoint which i euros are poor they don't have cars but like you could you know if you're
01:40:39.360smuggling guns and you'd have the money to afford a car in europe uh that that the the fantasy of
01:40:47.940the gun control state is like this bizarre legal fever dream of like uh you know maybe it was
01:40:57.840feasible in like the 80s and 90s maybe but not really even even then and like now it's like uh
01:41:08.900like the very idea of like banning firearms like
01:41:13.060like it seemed to have been like a product to go after dissidents in the nine1.00
01:41:18.76090s that like they propagandize like like uh old female boaters enough who like now live forever0.98
01:41:27.540forever so like the propaganda you give like a woman in her 50s in the 90s is still like being
01:41:34.860voted on 25 years later and yeah i i mean i like the characterization at the same time
01:41:43.700there is some currency with like linking this activity in europe with the right
01:41:51.440and and there's some truth to it too but what's funny is from my perspective it's funny so a few
01:42:00.760people share my perspective about this you know like the only real gun control state in in europe
01:42:07.780is you know technically not europe it's the uk and they they feel really injured by the phenomenon
01:42:12.360of 3d guns no doubt and they like to hyperventilate about guns already anyway and so they don't shut
01:42:17.740up about the 3d gun threat but it does seem to me that like the eurozone proper basically
01:42:23.780can't can't complain that loudly about it especially with the ukrainian situation and
01:42:29.600you know if you remember before ukraine really as like a conflict
01:42:33.680there did you ever see like uh the last panther or anything like that um
01:42:38.420i'm trying to think of specifically european productions um oh no i uh aside from large
01:42:47.380I don't get much European cinema in my diet.
01:42:50.860It might have been called The Last Panthers or something.
01:42:53.320But there's this like idea that Europe's margins are it's almost like that movie, The Prophet, too.
01:42:58.820Like, well, European Cold War boundaries culturally are in somewhere like around Belgrade.
01:43:08.360And, you know, anything can can flow back to Europe.
01:43:11.260I mean, you know, anything like ethically, materially will flow back into Europe as like the consequences of Europe's brother wars or something.
01:43:21.840And that was that was like the European gun control imaginary.0.69
01:43:26.600And then I think Ukraine just completely scrambled all that.0.85
01:43:29.580Like anybody can get anything they want in Europe right now.
01:43:32.520you know you know cartney thinks the reason um europe is freaking out about the prospect of like
01:43:42.280ukraine losing or negotiating it's just because they know the second war ends like everyone
01:43:49.060funding an army in ukraine is going to turn into like a cartel leader like funding whoever in
01:43:57.400western europe you know some some like far-right extremist in germany like has a friend or a buddy
01:44:03.940in ukraine or like went to volunteer was encouraged by their government and then they
01:44:08.360and then like some of those guys didn't die some of those guys are going to come home
01:44:12.980and you know we're up in the odyssey already pride canada's like but uh you know i'm thinking
01:44:24.660this bill i guess when trudeau is still still in power they announced like the kind of well
01:44:32.580follow-up to the all the gun control they've been doing and they said like hey you know all these
01:44:36.140new rifles you gotta turn them in and by the way um they're going to a good place we're gonna send
01:44:41.760them over to ukraine no um all right so canada's gun was that you you you've led me into talking
01:44:52.740about them the thing about canada that you have to understand is that like our police like
01:44:58.700have never had enforcement capacity um like canada despite being on paper one of the most
01:45:06.760totalitarian places in the world and like um has like a really totalitarian playable culture0.77
01:45:13.100enforced by all these old presbyterian women um like canada canada has like both the most0.96
01:45:21.380authoritarian population on earth and like the least authoritarian setting possible like uh
01:45:30.100like uh to understand the state of like canadian policing you understand that like
01:45:38.140the manhunt like the five-star gta like um like all assets like the entire state turning on one
01:45:47.020individual manhunt was invented in canada in the 30s to hunt down a guy called them
01:45:52.880called um robert johnson the mad trapper of rat river who like shot several cops and like
01:46:00.500led a 50 day like 40 below foot chase across the arctic and and this was the first time air assets
01:46:12.520were brought out to track an individual and he was used to track this guy at minus 40 like he
01:46:17.560crossed mountain ranges that were thought to be impassable in summer in the dead of winter like
01:46:23.240trying to escape these people and and this is like above the arctic circle this is like
01:46:28.520like you know polar bearers you could stumble upon them during this this event and they finally
01:46:35.140found him got him shot him and then they realized they had no idea who he was the mystery of him
01:46:41.160like still still wasn't solved when like the last of documentaries were made some people insist that
01:46:46.960like oh they know who he is now and i have looked looked into it but um canada has had like insane
01:46:53.960stuff like that but on and off forever like this wasn't even the first story like this in the
01:46:58.360arctic there were ones going back to like the 1890s of like these cat and fever cases or like
01:47:04.040guys going nuts and then with their hunting shotguns going after like police officers and
01:47:09.780stuff so you have this like inherently insane population like like who's already who's in
01:47:18.100conditions that like are not set up for like human survival or sanity you know like in places where
01:47:24.100like in the dead of winter night might be like 18 hours longer like total total like the hundreds
01:47:30.880of kilometers from like a police detachment and people who self-selected for that like people who
01:47:38.160said i want that i hate my fellow man that much that i will choose that and and so you have this
01:47:45.960like presbyterian like school marm like government that's being voted on by all these old school
01:47:52.820marms in like ontario and like like the quebecois who will always vote as left as they can pretty
01:48:00.780much and then you have this like vast expanse of like you know at the mountains of madness
01:48:06.900level insanity that like just cannot be policed so like um canada functionally has like more free
01:48:15.600speech than the u.s like despite the fact that on paper um canada has like no speech rights like
01:48:24.000it's all subject to a reasonable limit and like every judge in canada will say the reasonable
01:48:28.620limit is whatever the government wants functionally you have insane free speech rights because
01:48:33.880cops will just not go around to knock on doors over like a social media post they like the idea
01:48:41.040like in in britain they like you know they'll knock on your door over a tv license a license
01:48:47.460but uh the but like uh cops will like do everything they can to not knock on doors here and
01:48:56.760kind of always have because they just like they don't want to see what's in the soul of people
01:49:03.640in the dead of winter on a dark February night.
01:49:09.340So, basically, that ethos that, like, you know,
01:49:16.260you can basically post whatever you want on social media in Canada,
01:49:19.360and, like, the government will encourage the social media companies to ban you,
01:49:23.520but, like, despite the fact that they legally could,
01:49:25.700they're not going to come and drag you away like they wouldn't win Britain.
01:49:29.020that's been applied to gun laws where um like every single gun ban that has ever happened in
01:49:35.800canada the gun has been banned and then nothing has been done to try and take it back you know
01:49:42.480it's just it's banned and when you die of old age you know your your niece or daughter might like
01:49:53.500feel very nervous about the fact that it's banned and she doesn't have a firearms license
01:49:58.460and turn it in like that's how canadian gun laws are enforced there's no effort to take them back
01:50:04.620you know if you're caught committing another crime crime they'll hit you with it as an enhancement
01:50:10.600though like canadian law like doesn't have long sentences you know you can be running like a
01:50:16.600heroin smuggling operation get like three years in canada you know you can be caught with like
01:50:22.02020 illegal guns and get, like, five years. Five years. Like, there's no real, like, I knew a guy
01:50:31.480who, well, I didn't know the guy, knew the girl who he murdered. The girl was murdered by
01:50:39.620her boyfriend, ex-boyfriend. There was, like, a story there I'm not gonna repeat, but
01:50:47.180murdered like an underage girl got 14 years like that's how insanely low canadians
01:50:56.760sentences are so like there's no real penalty and they are going to enforce it so like um
01:51:03.760i know guys who are like legal gun owners have all the licensing and stuff and have like um
01:51:11.700The trio pass these gun bans, like, making all these firearms prohibited.
01:51:17.300Though the thing is, like, there's still guys with prohibitive licenses that they don't issue.
01:51:22.460There's no legal way to get these licenses.
01:51:24.200They're just eternally grandfathered in because they don't want to deal with it.
01:51:28.840But there's still guys who legally have, like, German World War II, like, heavy, squad-heavy machine guns,
01:51:37.140like whatever the German equivalent of a .50 Cal is.
01:51:39.960and has like the tripod and a volley fire sighting system like a little little um whatchamacallit
01:51:49.420uh analog german computer volley firing a machine gun it just has this like in his basement and it
01:51:57.720works and he has the ammo for it for it and like um like that's technically legal legal and everyone
01:52:09.360knows that if he dies there's going to be breaking out of his house and that's going to
01:52:13.040disappear somewhere else and no one's going to investigate too closely and that's like every gun
01:52:21.860that has ever entered canada there's like a fear the one percent of these firearms is like ever
01:52:28.900recovered except at a crime crime scene once it's out there and like basically even illegal firearms
01:52:36.520that are floating around like don't wind up at crime scenes because why would you use a legal
01:52:40.800firearm it can be traced somewhere and was like probably like exotic in some way as opposed to
01:52:46.440like you know it's trivial to cross the border and just get like iffy handguns from like any
01:52:53.280stay in the u.s you know you can knock across the border bring over whenever you want so all the
01:52:59.760like gun bans and stuff in canada um are profoundly toothless like um to the point where
01:53:09.420uh i know some guys who like run ranges and they were asking you know what happens if someone
01:53:17.520brings one of these now illegal guns and fires them at the range and the range officers and the
01:53:23.480police are saying oh you do not have a responsibility to be aware of the legality
01:53:28.400of the guns being fired at your range you know that's on the individual like range member or
01:53:34.300whatnot yeah so like if someone shows up with like uh anything really and fires it at like a shooting
01:53:44.340range like uh as long as because like all these ranges are in the middle nowhere and have like
01:53:53.040one shooter at a time you know use like just a sign-in system like a shoot paper like uh
01:53:59.480there isn't even a way to like stop people from like recreationally firing these these like now
01:54:06.320illegal fire arms that uh and there isn't like well you'd think it'd be like oh but this gives
01:54:16.240them like a mechanism if they ever want to go after dissidents and it's like yeah but they don't
01:54:21.160even have the like state capacity to go after distance like uh like canada is in this eternal
01:54:31.640state of hypothetically being one of the most totalitarian countries on earth while simultaneously
01:54:39.480also being like this completely lawless like frontier and that just kind of its eternal state
01:54:48.260like that account and i believe it of course but there are you know you mentioned state capacity
01:54:56.420there's there's still like forms of life that this prevents forming like there will never be
01:55:06.720the equivalent of the nra in canada at this point and i i met people who are attempting to create
01:55:13.000something like that and i'm not saying that you need an nra for example but you know they've like
01:55:19.140replacing whatever that original commonwealth and french canadian stock is with like this new
01:55:27.340perfect form of metropolitan subject and i do believe that like at least in the cities and
01:55:35.420the places that matter the gun control will be effective is effective i suppose we you know we
01:55:42.300differ on what effective means well like canadian canadian cities are like
01:55:49.060increasingly lawless directors for international crime like this is the the dirty secret canada
01:55:55.700is that like um basically the the entire economy of canada is a money laundering scheme for like0.85
01:56:01.920ccp um like dirty funds or like indian organized crime and stuff like the canadian housing market0.97
01:56:10.500is not the most expensive housing market in the world
01:56:13.520because the Canadian economy has fundamentals