Anarchonomicon - Ep 13 Marines, Charlottesville, Bounty Hunting, and Helene w⧸Danny Wolf

00:00:00.000 They will chain you, like Prometheus, to a rock, where the memory of your own greatness

00:00:15.080 This will gnaw you.

00:00:29.080 The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena.

00:00:35.080 The video drone.

00:00:37.080 You look around, what do you see? Businessmen? Teachers? Lawyers? Carpenters?

00:00:42.080 The very minds of the people we are trying to save. 0.97

00:00:45.160 But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy.

00:00:50.600 No, we're not doing that.

00:00:52.640 You're getting called a slur.

00:00:54.640 After all, there is nothing real outside our perception of reality, is there?

00:01:02.040 You can see that, can't you?

00:01:04.660 Tribal people, one of their main kinds of sport is sort of butchering each other.

00:01:10.100 So, you know, it's a full-time sport in Trump's societies.

00:01:13.540 You, my children, are the water.

00:01:16.880 They will wash away all that has gone before. 0.98

00:01:21.840 The gleam in the eye of sex.

00:01:24.520 It's very simple.

00:01:26.220 The message is force is more effective than voting.

00:01:29.980 Elections change nothing.

00:01:31.640 But I had some ideas we got global and tribal.

00:01:34.120 We, you know, we were going to become...

00:01:35.320 The closer we got together, the more you like each other?

00:01:37.460 Yeah.

00:01:38.180 There's no evidence of that in any situation that we've ever heard of.

00:01:42.300 Major Lennox answered with his life, as you should have done if you had any sense of honor.

00:01:46.460 You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.

00:01:51.820 And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

00:01:58.740 He who saves a nation violates no law.

00:02:03.900 all forms of violence are a quest for identity when you live out on the frontier

00:02:11.120 you have no identity you're a nobody therefore you get very tough you have to prove that you 0.99

00:02:18.380 are somebody and so you become very violent i'm coming to kill you for greater safety please 0.99

00:02:25.980 avoid the english language please do not translate this message and so identity is always accompanied 0.95

00:02:36.860 by violence this uh seems paradoxical to you it works violence works therefore television is

00:02:46.440 reality and reality is less than television were you listening to me neil or were you looking at

00:02:53.760 the woman in the red dress it's just a grotesque post-modern psyop and anyone who's fallen for this

00:02:58.720 is brain damaged all right so i will go ahead and get us started hello hello glorious listeners

00:03:04.840 welcome to another exciting episode of the anarchonomicon podcast yes this is a very

00:03:10.600 exciting episode for us both because i have a new microphone and now that scratchy awful voice you

00:03:18.380 are hearing should sound mildly better uh are still getting my autistic stutters and spurgs

00:03:26.380 and starts and stops but uh we this is also an exciting episode because we are joined today by

00:03:33.920 one of the more interesting figures in our in our space guy i've been like on the periphery of for

00:03:41.940 for a fair while now.

00:03:45.020 And, Guy, you should be following, dear listeners.

00:03:49.160 Danny Wolf.

00:03:50.680 Say hello, Danny.

00:03:52.500 Hey, it's great to be here.

00:03:53.920 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:55.660 So, how many followers are you at now, Danny?

00:04:02.360 You were...

00:04:03.940 I remember when I was first introduced...

00:04:06.960 I'm still kind of a...

00:04:08.520 I'm kind of a smaller account,

00:04:10.540 So I think I got like 30-some thousand on Twitter, and then I have threads in a few other places that I'm on.

00:04:16.560 All right.

00:04:17.160 Just in the time I've known you, you've grown like a surprising amount.

00:04:22.580 I remember you being a much smaller account.

00:04:27.420 I was introduced to you.

00:04:30.360 It's been a slow burn for me.

00:04:32.880 I've been around since like 2017.

00:04:34.900 on the peripheral when it comes to social media.

00:04:39.400 I didn't really get active until the last couple of years on Twitter.

00:04:42.800 All right.

00:04:44.080 So you really came to my attention of summer of last year

00:04:52.200 or fall of last year.

00:04:53.800 It was when you and several people I knew

00:04:59.420 kind of from around the wider South

00:05:01.680 and like the Pacific Northwest and Oldham.

00:05:04.900 wide middle of the country we're all converging on uh north carolina doing relief work related to

00:05:11.360 the uh horrible hurricane they had there and and really i i was following this i was like trying to

00:05:19.900 like volunteer information stuff like from a distance and and basically everything everything

00:05:27.560 i tried to do someone had already immediately had already done it faster and better on the ground

00:05:32.920 I was quite superfluous. But I was really taken aback with the really impressive organization effort you guys put in. I had several friends who participated in that effort, and you took a very impressive leadership role in this.

00:05:54.680 but uh as as you've said you are an old old head in this space uh you've been around significant

00:06:03.080 longer than i have uh so what we're hoping to do with this episode is kind of build up to that and

00:06:10.460 build up to what you're working on on now and people doing stuff in like meat space and like

00:06:17.600 actually doing doing meaningful organization and like building out uh what politically matter

00:06:24.500 matters like real organization not not volunteering for parties or whatnot but uh i have

00:06:33.360 i want to go back to your origin uh how did you get involved in

00:06:39.700 in kind of this entire space how did you uh how did your evolution be in

00:06:46.000 well um i started out as most of us do as a libertarian sadly that's probably one of my

00:06:54.380 few regrets in life is my years i spent in the libertarian space um oddly enough it was being

00:07:01.080 stationed out in southern california in the marine corps that kind of led me here that was my my first

00:07:06.760 real red pill you know probably 30 40 percent of my marines didn't speak english which is how i

00:07:12.560 learned how to speak spanish um as i got out of the marine corps there was the ron paul revolution

00:07:20.720 which we all all know about which didn't uh didn't work out too well and just the way that

00:07:27.200 culture and society at large were going just kind of anyone who was sane and paying attention

00:07:32.120 anyone with critical thinking eventually started to shift right uh 2017 when we had unite the right

00:07:39.240 in charlottesville was kind of the the last nail in the coffin for me i went there as a libertarian

00:07:43.920 And I came back as alt-right.

00:07:46.820 Wait, so you were in the Marine Corps in like 2008, 2007.

00:07:52.680 And even then, your fellow Marines didn't speak English?

00:07:58.220 Like they're all speaking Spanish?

00:07:59.800 How did that work out?

00:08:01.780 Not at all.

00:08:02.820 I was actually in before then.

00:08:05.660 So we had a lot of guys from Puerto Rico who are U.S. citizens but just didn't speak English.

00:08:10.640 They learned a few words here and there in boot camp.

00:08:13.920 A lot of our guys in the fleet were from Mexico.

00:08:17.520 You know, we'd go down to Tijuana together on the weekends and stuff.

00:08:20.660 We actually had an incident where a few of our Marines from L.A. were MS-13,

00:08:27.860 and they enlisted in the Marine Corps so that they could steal weapons from the armory to give to MS-13.

00:08:32.840 It was a big deal about a decade and a half ago.

00:08:36.280 So there's something that has kind of always been an unwritten rule in the military,

00:08:41.540 at least in the marine corps i've seen it in other branches as well when you're an nco and you get

00:08:46.080 new boots you room them by color you never say it out loud but you know you get a new boot who's

00:08:52.240 black you room with blacks you get a new boot who's latino you room him with latinos and so on

00:08:57.520 because uh everyone's kind of clicked up by race it's a lot like really and this like uh so i i'm 0.97

00:09:06.460 naive

00:09:07.440 naive Canadian like 0.97

00:09:10.020 but the

00:09:11.740 like my impression was like this

00:09:14.540 was the kind of stuff that was just like starting

00:09:16.520 to crop up in like the

00:09:18.800 post-spine world I did

00:09:20.660 not realize that this was already

00:09:22.760 like pre-Obama like

00:09:24.740 immediate post 9-11 America

00:09:26.740 was already

00:09:27.640 like having the Marine Corps

00:09:30.800 operates all like

00:09:32.900 prison racial dynamics

00:09:34.400 so it's unspoken no one would ever admit it out loud but everyone knew it you know uh at least as

00:09:45.540 far as the barracks life went or if you were on a ship in a birthing everyone was going to kind of

00:09:50.200 bunk by their platoon squad and fire team but also by the guys you hang out with and everyone

00:09:57.480 just kind of naturally segregated it's like in jail there's no rule that you have to ride with

00:10:02.040 the guy who's got the keys to the white car, but you know better than to not hang out with

00:10:07.200 your type, you know? So it just kind of naturally segregates itself. I was in the Obama administration

00:10:14.600 years, so that probably had something to do with it. When he became the president, a lot

00:10:20.800 of the guys in the Marine Corps, Navy, a lot of the black guys got kind of tribalized

00:10:26.640 by that all right and so um so this is some so this is very interesting to me because um i just

00:10:37.400 finished reading uh pete hanks says war on warriors and i just finished reading the kind of

00:10:43.600 herring like academic counter or continuation of that book depending on how you want to interpret

00:10:49.320 it uh martin man creveled uh pussy cats uh why the west lose war loses wars uh uh both books kind

00:10:58.540 of analyzing the current state of the us military and and it's been probably a staple of uh of

00:11:10.120 grumblings about the military for 10 20 plus years uh the black mafia that uh that that uh 0.56

00:11:19.300 African Americans in the U.S. Army are like feel a deep ethnic kinship that is for each other and

00:11:27.180 like will advance each other's interests in ways that would be like that are grossly inappropriate

00:11:34.520 and would be obviously grossly inappropriate if a white person ever did that on the basis of like

00:11:40.480 another soldier being white or promoting someone to NCO or favoring them for NCO on the basis of

00:11:46.920 the color of their skin, that this is like, it has been a standard grumble in the U.S.

00:11:54.220 military for decades now, which it's always one of those things that's hard to gauge as

00:12:03.940 an outsider.

00:12:05.160 But you're saying this went into overdrive during the Obama year.

00:12:09.480 and overdrive i got out uh you know 2012 and it got even worse after i got out but it was

00:12:19.580 very much present during the time that i served and it wasn't just the black mafia is also what

00:12:25.720 we call the philippine mafia in the navy the filipinos uh same thing we didn't really have

00:12:32.080 the DEI policies when I was in but it was kind of uh enforced behind the scenes you know if someone

00:12:40.600 was Filipino or black and became like a first sergeant or a master sergeant then they had a

00:12:44.780 lot of pull to decide who picked up rank next so we kind of joked you know cutting scores and merit

00:12:51.780 was only half the equation it was also you know who's going to be on your board what color are

00:12:57.780 you what gender are you and this is all before like 2012 and and the second term obama policies

00:13:04.400 when all suddenly that's being pushed heavily from the top on down and and you can tell that

00:13:10.780 the officers are being promoted based on hitting numbers this is all this is just a baseline ethnic

00:13:17.400 tension that was organic to the mix up of the rancor without like an artifice being mandated

00:13:24.520 absolutely and i mean the marine corps was probably the most resistant to it out of all

00:13:31.780 the branches they were the last that gave a lot of this stuff um the military at the higher ranks

00:13:37.600 like your field grade and above has been political for decades but the the ethnic tribal conflicts

00:13:44.760 going on that's probably been around since at least the 80s or 90s it just got a lot worse

00:13:49.140 after 9-11 really you you date it to 9-11 oh what makes you say that

00:13:55.000 no not specifically to 9-11 but to the g-block guys like me the ones that i served with it

00:14:03.960 definitely got worse while we were in and just kind of uh continued escalating after i got out

00:14:10.240 obviously like 2016 and going forward it kind of went off a cliff all right and interesting because

00:14:18.420 one of the things that, like, you notice over the course of GWAT

00:14:26.220 is stop-loss policies and other retention policies

00:14:32.200 having come in, and kind of the desperation for recruitment

00:14:36.460 that we saw in the Biden years

00:14:39.840 had, like, grown to a fever pitch during the latter Bush administration,

00:14:44.800 that uh there's just a struggle to keep keep guys in at the height of height of iraq and i i'm

00:14:53.860 wondering if that if uh a lot of this was caused by like it lowering recruitment standards to try

00:15:01.680 and like meet numbers when like no one was enlisting and no one was volunteering to go to

00:15:07.000 Baghdad, or

00:15:08.480 if I'm completely off base with that.

00:15:11.160 Well, I know

00:15:12.200 when I first

00:15:14.920 went in, it was, you know,

00:15:17.100 the height of the war, so they just needed

00:15:18.960 bodies. We had guys

00:15:20.960 that were felons getting felony waivers.

00:15:24.340 They didn't

00:15:24.960 care as much about marijuana, you know.

00:15:27.800 So they were taking a lot

00:15:28.920 lower standards when I was in Baskins. They needed

00:15:30.800 bodies to throw to the meat grinder. 0.94

00:15:34.020 I think the standards

00:15:35.060 lowered a lot more in the last

00:15:36.320 It's probably four years, but the stop losses and all of that and the retention, it's been an ongoing thing because as morale goes down, you're going to have lower retention rates as your troops begin to lose focus and don't think that the mission is meaningful to them anymore.

00:15:56.600 In the last four years, I'd say it's gotten a lot worse, and that's why you see all the branches of the service failing to hit their numbers.

00:16:03.720 I think the Marine Corps was the only one that made their numbers,

00:16:06.020 maybe Marine Corps and Space Force last year.

00:16:08.880 The troops don't believe in the mission anymore.

00:16:11.420 The military has become kind of a joke to the whole world,

00:16:15.400 and it's just a way to pay for college at this point.

00:16:18.740 When I went in, we were fresh off of 9-11,

00:16:21.780 so a lot of us, we called ourselves Generation Revenge.

00:16:26.540 Then it ended up the show Generation Kill built on that.

00:16:30.660 We were just pissed.

00:16:31.440 We didn't care necessarily who was at the root of 9-11.

00:16:37.660 We just cared about punishing somebody for it.

00:16:40.160 It was a lot easier for them to tap into that rage, that angst of my generation to recruit and hit their numbers and send people over there. 0.98

00:16:47.940 As Zoomers, they've been born into a world where they've never seen America with a healthy economy in war. 1.00

00:16:56.160 So there's not really any sense of nostalgia for them to have pride in. 1.00

00:16:59.880 There's nothing better for them to look back towards to inspire them.

00:17:04.980 And what they've been watching the last 25 years of GWAT and all the other just failures of policy, there's really no incentive for them to join.

00:17:14.640 Like if I was 20 years old today, I definitely wouldn't enlist.

00:17:20.640 That's dramatic to say.

00:17:22.520 And I've been, we've been hearing that from like hundreds of thousands of former soldiers have said exactly that, like their sons, their male relatives, their cousins, the sons of friends that like, if you listeners at home are considering enlisting, speak to like your older male relatives about your desire to speak to like a couple of people.

00:17:52.520 on that veteran and like very likely they will tell you not to you don't just have to take our

00:17:58.620 word for it this has become like a universal thing of the american empire that's quite dramatic um

00:18:05.760 but uh the the dramatic thing with what you said that the only two branches that are

00:18:14.480 that have like intermittently met recruitment targets are the space force which is tiny as

00:18:20.860 and basically he's only hiring highly specialized technical people

00:18:25.900 at what I assume is an upgraded salary.

00:18:30.580 It's basically an upstart.

00:18:36.880 So the pay is the same.

00:18:39.000 The pay grades are the same across the branches.

00:18:41.620 So they still make the same amount of money,

00:18:43.240 but you're getting a way better contract

00:18:45.140 and you're probably going to pick up rank a lot faster

00:18:47.660 with it being a small specialized branch.

00:18:50.140 It's like Space Force.

00:18:52.300 It's got that prestige to it if you're in the Air Force

00:18:55.000 and you can transfer over to Space Force.

00:18:57.680 That's a big deal.

00:18:58.960 The Marine Corps is just, it's always hit its numbers

00:19:02.360 because the Marine Corps doesn't want everyone.

00:19:05.000 The Marine Corps is a very elitist organization.

00:19:07.920 It has never leaned into DEI when it comes to their recruiting ads.

00:19:12.840 It's always, you're probably not good enough for the Marine Corps,

00:19:17.600 but you can give it a shot.

00:19:18.640 but we don't want you and we're not going to give you an enlistment bonus your bonus is that you get

00:19:24.540 to be a marine and i think having that that brotherhood and more of a meaningful ethos to

00:19:31.720 the marine corps has been a boon to their recruitment whereas you've seen the army kind

00:19:35.960 of turn into like a jobs board advertising it and cyber security and their numbers have plummeted

00:19:44.620 Yeah, the Marine Corps, I, part of me can't help but wonder if the Marine Corps isn't just cannibalizing the other services, though.

00:19:53.700 Because the Marine Corps has that ethos and has, like, really good marketing around that ethos.

00:20:00.860 Everyone knows that Full Metal Jacket was about the Marines.

00:20:04.860 It wasn't about Rangers.

00:20:06.520 And one of the things that I've noticed is that heavily publicized forces seem to get away with really awful contracts and stuff like that.

00:20:26.700 So, uh, the Navy, uh, the Navy SEALs, uh, is probably like one of the rawest deals you

00:20:36.140 can take in regards to recruitment, because, um, if you join the Army for, uh, to be special

00:20:44.180 forces and you don't make Delta Force, like, uh, you just aren't good enough, there's a

00:20:49.700 tier below everything in, in the Army.

00:20:52.400 So if you, if you aren't good enough for Delta, you might wind up a Green Beret, you might

00:20:56.300 wind up a ranger you might wind up a uh air assault recon you might wind up a tanker there's

00:21:04.680 a tier there's a series of tiers that you can wind up when in a i analogize it to to bankers you can

00:21:13.380 to sorry accountants you can wind up a chartered accountant or you wind up whereas whereas with

00:21:20.780 the navy if you go to buds and you wash it out it doesn't matter how close you were to graduating

00:21:25.700 you get whatever you get i met guys on ship when i was on the mew that were you know scraping paint

00:21:33.080 on the side of the boat or working in the ship store and they're like dude i was supposed to be

00:21:38.860 a fucking seal and now i'm scraping paint for a living or running vending machines exactly and 0.87

00:21:44.520 it's the it's the ross deal there's no uh there's no like fail position and buds especially is 0.99

00:21:51.900 designed so that like 80 percent of people will wash out like it's not it's not as if they if they

00:21:58.560 have a particularly good intake and 100 percent of people are like of seal grade and they just get

00:22:03.980 all the best athletes in the country that year because a good movie came out out that everyone

00:22:08.820 decide they want to be seals that all suddenly they'll have a like 90 100 conversion to seals

00:22:15.360 off of buds and like the good performance of these people like it's designed to winnow you

00:22:20.120 down to a percentage so it's not even like like uh depending on how you show up show up in uh

00:22:27.880 in what state that it's a pass fail it's you're graded on a curve and this always well there's a

00:22:38.460 very uh there's a very good reason for that and it's something that the marine corps does share

00:22:43.060 a lot in common with SEALs is that at the higher levels, it doesn't matter if you're a D1 athlete

00:22:50.920 and you're super smart and you're gung-ho and you're great at math and everything else.

00:22:57.360 The things we're looking for can't be trained. You either have it or you don't. They can only

00:23:02.880 be vetted for. So all of our training pipelines are essentially a filtering process. What we're

00:23:08.740 looking for is not the stud that can do everything better than anyone else. It's the guy that can do

00:23:14.400 everything very well, is highly competent, but can also mesh well with the guys that are already on

00:23:20.640 the team. There's a thing that we talk about when it comes to CQB, your higher levels, which is

00:23:26.380 called mind mesh, which is where you've trained with these guys enough and you blend in with them

00:23:32.580 enough that you can kind of predict each other's reactions in any given

00:23:37.300 situation based on how much you've worked together and how well you mesh

00:23:41.080 together.

00:23:42.600 You're not using verbal communication all the time.

00:23:45.780 So you need to be able to look in your periphery and know, Hey,

00:23:48.120 Smith is going to do this.

00:23:49.880 He's going to bump over here because we're coming to a corner fed room.

00:23:53.940 And you have to be able to mesh together that way.

00:23:56.380 You could be better than everyone else on the team.

00:23:58.620 but if you don't work well as a team and kind of fit into that flow of things that we've already

00:24:05.980 established we don't want you and the seals is really big on that so like they're not looking

00:24:11.220 for people that they can train they're looking for the 0.01 percent of the population that has

00:24:17.300 that thing that you can't train people on and they're filtering everyone else out uh yeah and

00:24:24.780 I appreciate that, but if you're looking at it from a, is this a career choice I'd like to make, like.

00:24:32.660 Oh, yeah, no, then it's lost.

00:24:35.140 Yeah, then it's like, all of a sudden.

00:24:37.040 It's very much leveraged against you.

00:24:39.320 All of a sudden, it's like you can't even look in the mirror and assess it.

00:24:42.860 Like, you can't measure, well, I'm this fit, I'm this intelligence, I'm this good at this.

00:24:48.100 Or even that, like, you were an amazing team player on your varsity sports team where you gelled well with everyone.

00:24:53.760 one because it might be that you show up and just uh the people who are there you don't gel with for

00:24:58.580 whatever reason there's a cultural gap or like they formed some culture that like just doesn't

00:25:04.380 mesh with you it's like uh from your perspective that's like like a horrible variable that you'd

00:25:10.640 never want if you're considering like risking washing out and like scraping paint for the next

00:25:16.140 three years and yet there's no oh yeah and i mean it's a it's a paradox because uh most of the guys

00:25:23.900 that are going to wash out of buds would probably be above average in any other unit um certain

00:25:29.880 parts of marine corps you're talking like marsoc raiders things like that is the same situation

00:25:34.680 they're probably above average marines but even though they are they're just not going to make it

00:25:41.280 Because it's not something you can really gauge until you're there.

00:25:45.740 And it's a lot about critical thinking, pattern recognition, you know, things that are obviously parallel to our circles.

00:25:55.340 The guys that you want for those tier one jobs would make terrible Marines and sailors in the big Navy and the big Marine Corps.

00:26:02.020 They've got authority problems.

00:26:03.900 They like to be in charge.

00:26:05.600 they believe in a team that has fluid leadership that moves based on who is going to be in the

00:26:12.000 best position at that given moment to make the decision it's surfers and country boys with an

00:26:18.980 authority problem that are above average iq and have critical thinking so those aren't things you

00:26:25.680 can train for you're either born with or you're not there's an environmental aspect to it but you

00:26:31.640 take those guys out of the SEALs or

00:26:33.700 out of the Raiders and

00:26:35.680 they're going to be getting NJP'd all the time

00:26:37.640 in the regular Marine Corps or the regular Navy.

00:26:40.280 So it's the weird paradox of

00:26:41.660 that. But your average

00:26:43.820 guy, even above average

00:26:45.900 that isn't that .01%,

00:26:48.040 yeah, it's a terrible deal. 0.57

00:26:50.080 Yeah, and this is where I find

00:26:52.780 it

00:26:53.280 extremely paradoxical

00:26:56.400 that they have

00:26:58.320 no shortage of recruitment for Budge

00:27:00.060 yet uh often can't fill fill a ranger's class or like uh struggle to fill a lot of the smaller arm

00:27:08.880 uh more niche army roles that like are almost certainly a better deal and have like

00:27:15.060 better uh redundancy if you wash out out of something but uh that that's a side thing that

00:27:23.140 i i had a conversation with a guy who's thinking of going into buds and i told him don't do it

00:27:29.100 don't don't do it you'll like 80 chance 80 plus percent chance you'll wash up for a reason that's

00:27:36.500 like not really attached to like your efforts or like uh even your individual well quality and

00:27:43.720 then you're going to be striping paint for three years whereas you could you could do something

00:27:47.920 cool in any other branch which is why which is why i find it like paradoxical that that that uh

00:27:56.320 that BUDS and Marines are like two of the branches

00:28:01.680 that aren't having recruitment problems,

00:28:05.440 which is very interesting.

00:28:10.920 Because they both provide something that can't be paid for.

00:28:14.940 They provide a rite of passage and a meaningful mission,

00:28:21.260 and you can't sell that.

00:28:22.820 You know, the Army will use money and cool jobs to try to bait people in. 0.97

00:28:29.280 Marine Corps and the Navy SEALs, they don't give a fuck about you. 0.96

00:28:31.940 They don't care that you're Ivy League. 0.97

00:28:33.440 They don't care that you rode through. 0.98

00:28:35.840 But they can give you something that can't be bought that's rare, especially today when everything is fucking fake and digital. 0.96

00:28:44.000 Authenticity is the rarest commodity on Earth. 0.97

00:28:47.340 I can say it.

00:28:49.040 I can say it.

00:28:50.300 I'm still deeply suspicious of it.

00:28:56.060 I was raised on the legends of Alexander and pouring out the water because if the men don't drink, I don't drink.

00:29:06.280 Fundamentally, I'm looking for a pirate captain who's promising me lots of wealth and fortune.

00:29:14.860 I'm not looking for someone to promise me that they don't care and this will be a great challenge and, like, stiffly challenging for no reason.

00:29:27.380 The key is that once you make it past the challenge, then the leadership style reflects Alexander a lot.

00:29:34.920 I mean, the Marine Corps started as a bunch of pirates.

00:29:36.780 they got

00:29:38.540 together

00:29:41.020 at Tun Tavern and part of the deal was

00:29:43.000 we can't pay you

00:29:43.980 Continental Congress didn't have enough money to pay the Marine Corps

00:29:46.820 but you can keep whatever you get

00:29:49.120 so they're basically pirates

00:29:51.160 that paid themselves off of whatever they

00:29:52.980 stole off the Redcoats 0.50

00:29:54.240 and then they got clemency for the 0.91

00:29:56.960 piracy in exchange for

00:29:58.940 fighting in the war for independence

00:30:00.400 so once you get into the fleet and if you go into

00:30:02.760 pretty much any other part of the Marine Corps

00:30:05.040 of the Navy that's not Bugs or, you know, MARSOG,

00:30:09.140 that's definitely the leadership style that you're going to run into,

00:30:12.520 especially on the Marine Corps side.

00:30:15.060 Any leader that's not out there with his guys is definitely not going to earn

00:30:19.260 a whole lot of respect.

00:30:20.860 Doing the same dirt is what earns the respect of the guys that work for you.

00:30:24.880 Fair enough, fair enough.

00:30:27.180 So you're, we've gone off on a wide progression here, but your journey.

00:30:32.760 So you get out of the Marines, what year would it be, or around when?

00:30:42.080 Right around the end of 2012, early 2013.

00:30:45.440 And you're still a Ron Paul guy at this point.

00:30:49.660 You're still a libertarian, or are you starting to wander away from it?

00:30:54.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:55.880 so i was a right-leaning libertarian probably more of a small l than a big l and uh back in

00:31:05.600 2012 when ron ran for president i was still in southern california he was the first guy that

00:31:12.160 united people my age on both sides of politics every liberal that i ran into in california

00:31:18.380 under the age of like 40 was going to vote for ron paul and we watched fox news and everyone

00:31:25.140 snubbed him and tried to blackball him from getting airtime on a major media but he had

00:31:31.340 massive support from the younger generations on both sides of the aisle but as the years went by

00:31:38.940 the libertarian party became gayer and gayer and went more towards the anarcho-hedonism route

00:31:44.960 it kept pushing guys like me further to the right all right and and so this this process

00:31:53.900 My timeline of events is always messed up because there's always, like, there's always, like, a weird two years earlier thing that happens in Canada that anticipates what happens in the U.S.

00:32:07.740 Me Too starts around, like, 2016, 2017, but Canada has, like, Slut Walk in, like, 2011, 2012. 0.73

00:32:14.660 so so you're out uh 2013 and you're leaning further right and then and then we're getting 0.54

00:32:24.000 into like the start of the culture like like uh game brigade is happening if you're online you're

00:32:29.660 seeing the very late obama years uh the rise of like intense wokeness and 2015 the right

00:32:37.360 the premonitions of Trump into 2016, of course.

00:32:43.800 And then 2017.

00:32:46.720 Yeah, the great meme war.

00:32:50.460 So I think the 2016 Trump's first presidential campaign

00:32:56.860 definitely galvanized the whole lot of people

00:32:59.460 that felt left out of politics previously.

00:33:02.920 And that's when you saw the meme war,

00:33:04.900 Gamergate, all this stuff kind of coalesced around the same time, 2014, 2016.

00:33:11.120 And I think a lot of folks knew from the start that Trump wasn't our guy.

00:33:16.320 He was more of a stepping stone.

00:33:18.760 They didn't say it out loud because they didn't want to get crucified.

00:33:21.540 And part of them wanted to believe in some kind of misguided hope that he was actually going to build a wall and all this stuff.

00:33:27.980 and i think 2017 they thought they could just push the overton window further right

00:33:34.900 and continue the momentum that we had from 2016 and that's when you saw you know augustus

00:33:40.660 invictus running for senate and the libertarian party going further left and kicking ron out of

00:33:47.860 the party and that's when you had unite the right and everything that's kind of led to where we are

00:33:53.760 now so so lead me up to unite the right because this is a a huge event in in the american timeline

00:34:04.160 that i was like completely checked out of when it happened uh i was buried in

00:34:10.840 i can't remember what i was doing 2017 it was it was like an obscure time time for me but uh

00:34:20.240 lead us up to unite

00:34:22.700 by the right. Trump's just been elected.

00:34:27.580 Things are kind of reaching a fear pitch.

00:34:29.540 Richard Spencer's out there.

00:34:30.980 All these fears are floating

00:34:33.420 around, pushing this

00:34:35.280 event. What leads you to

00:34:37.260 decide to go to Charlottesville?

00:34:39.700 And

00:34:40.160 what are the things that are

00:34:43.080 building up to this?

00:34:47.980 I didn't know any of these

00:34:49.840 faces were back in

00:34:51.680 late summer

00:34:53.500 2017. Richard Spencer,

00:34:56.040 I didn't know who the hell he was. I just

00:34:57.620 saw some guy lisping on

00:34:59.520 social media. He sounds kind of gay, 0.97

00:35:02.060 but whatever. 0.97

00:35:03.500 I went to protect Southern Heritage,

00:35:05.980 you know, the statue of Robert E. Lee.

00:35:07.900 I went as a libertarian that wanted

00:35:09.740 to defend our

00:35:11.880 heritage against Antifa.

00:35:14.060 And then the events

00:35:15.820 that took place there

00:35:17.520 and Antifa and Black Lives

00:35:19.820 matter chasing down that kid in his car uh with baseball bats and guns causing him to not really

00:35:27.980 have any other option what are you going to do if you got people beating on the back of your car

00:35:31.600 they want to drag you out and kill you are you going to sit there or are you going to drive

00:35:36.260 forward and try to get away and we all know how that ended he did the only thing that he was left 0.85

00:35:42.440 with an option to do at that moment and uh some overweight communist died of a heart attack as a

00:35:47.840 result um i watched a lot of maga types show up because they weren't really any more aware of what

00:35:56.340 the event actually was than i was at the time so we had a lot of far right guys coming with body

00:36:03.040 armor and shields and clubs because they knew what to expect from the other side and then a lot of us

00:36:08.740 that you would have considered normies back then we just showed up knowing there'd be a fight with

00:36:15.540 antifa but not expecting it to be as bad as it was the mayor and the police chief

00:36:19.820 disadvantaged everyone by kind of kettling us in and letting antifa do whatever they want so

00:36:28.060 they're throwing bricks and piss bottles at you while you're being escorted by the cops between

00:36:33.640 two sides of antifa throwing stuff at you and at the end of the event you had a lot of these normie

00:36:39.440 MAGA types trying to go back to their cars and asking the more militant guys on the right for

00:36:46.220 protection. It was a really interesting event. It changed a lot of people's perspectives.

00:36:51.740 It definitely led to a lot of you guys that have popped up in the last few years.

00:36:57.700 This circle of the internet wouldn't exist without Charlottesville.

00:37:02.080 And I think it was everyone seeing, oh, these people really do hate me. They really do want

00:37:06.560 me dead i think that was kind of the the final red pill moment for a lot of guys because i always

00:37:11.620 say if you scratch a dissident right guy deep enough you're going to find a a disenfranchised

00:37:16.840 ron paul libertarian yeah and so a lot of this stuff this is where i was kind of checked out

00:37:24.440 in 20 something because a lot of the stuff i remember from like 2014 2015 uh on campuses uh

00:37:32.860 that uh you had the battle berkeley you had a base stick man you had like a

00:37:39.320 there was a famous bike locket attack there were a lot of these events where it was uh

00:37:46.100 the boomers at the time and dens of normies were saying well that's just on campus who

00:37:53.300 who cares and the obvious answer is well these people are going to graduate him

00:37:57.040 and implement this in the real world and and they reply no that's impossible that can

00:38:02.780 never happened you know is it the 1960s and 70s had never happened and of course immediately

00:38:08.480 boomers seem to not understand what institutional captures second order effects are which i think

00:38:16.420 is a lot to blame for what's happened over the last 50 or 70 years they don't realize every time

00:38:22.580 you surrender an institution to a marxist color revolution that that institution is then going

00:38:31.060 be weaponized against you down the road so they think well you know ivy league universities are 0.89

00:38:36.840 for liberals anyway who cares we got the sec every time you see ground you're just giving them more

00:38:44.160 power to hit you over the head with and they're learning that now you see a lot of these bigger

00:38:50.860 accounts in the normie side of the right wing are starting to echo the same kind of things that you

00:38:56.880 and i have been saying and they're starting to embrace a lot of our point of view slowly maybe

00:39:02.360 but it's i guess on their end at least it's a a day later dollar short you know they finally

00:39:09.820 realized that once it was too late to fix it yeah i i'm actually not even sure they realized it um

00:39:15.960 i suspect that a huge factor in like kind of the death of boomer conservatism and like

00:39:22.240 centrist liberalism that wanted to just surrender the institutions without a fight

00:39:27.600 uh largely because the thought of like actually fighting from the right or like actually doing

00:39:35.780 anything to maintain like a conservative bent out institution was like trained it to them as

00:39:40.300 fascism uh the reason that has like stopped isn't because they they like saw and were gasped and

00:39:48.300 or recoiled in horror it's because like they all aged out or became senile or died in like the past

00:39:55.640 15 years like uh it it's not the case that uh you know all these uh boomer boomer libs and 0.64

00:40:04.500 conservatives all suddenly got radicalized uh you know naive like gen xers unlike uh older

00:40:13.080 millennials did but by and large like uh the reason uh like a flash march through the institutions

00:40:21.800 like 2014-2015 can't happen anymore is because all these uh all these 60s liberals and stuff

00:40:30.280 have died of old age nature like are now nursing homes uh and no longer have like

00:40:40.260 yeah exactly uh uh it's not the case that they broke their programming at the end of their life

00:40:48.560 it's uh it's a lesson from watching them fail to maintain what they had uh but uh the the

00:40:57.700 violence building like uh what you're describing the tactics of like the piss bottles the uh the

00:41:04.320 bats the bricks like um all this was building for her like four years you know five if you

00:41:12.100 want to look back at like the very early premonitions of this that were like trial

00:41:16.220 ballooned in like canada in the uk very early early on that uh a lot of these these tactics

00:41:23.640 um if you look at a if you look at things like uh like the battle berkeley or even going back

00:41:31.780 further like the the g7 protests in toronto or like the various riots and various riots that

00:41:38.400 occurred in the uk well a lot of these tackets had been like percolating for five years like

00:41:43.960 being refined and and you could see them graduating from like uh graduating to from like sticks to

00:41:54.220 pre-prepared stakes to bats to full riot gear.

00:42:00.140 This entire culture of rioting was trained into the left in the course of five, six years

00:42:06.520 that was not there in the 2000s.

00:42:15.800 It grew out of Occupy Wall Street.

00:42:18.640 You know, if you remember that, all the college kids protesting Wall Street, their movement lost momentum and just kind of fizzled out.

00:42:30.260 But Antifa became a big part of their movement towards the end and started smashing Starbucks and ATMs and anything that was associated with capitalism and starting to do what we call, you know, black block tactics all back in 2012, 2013.

00:42:48.640 And the frustration that grew out of that failed movement bled over into 2014, 2016.

00:42:57.380 They learned a lot of tactics in Occupy, but they never achieved anything.

00:43:02.640 You know, after you do activism to get awareness for something, there has to be a step after that.

00:43:11.340 There needs to be action that's carried out, mission to execute.

00:43:14.520 And a lot of these movements, they fail at that point.

00:43:16.900 they fail to launch because all they do is build awareness and do protests so when occupy wall

00:43:22.280 street ran out of steam then there was this rage on the side of the left and even a little bit in 0.65

00:43:29.640 the center on the libertarian side where it was like masturbation without the payoff you know

00:43:36.080 they did all this stuff they didn't achieve anything out of it so that frustration sort of 0.70

00:43:41.920 fueled antifa and the greater left into wanting to have a fight with somebody well the easiest

00:43:48.320 people you can excuse having a fight with in america is anyone you label a nazi this is a

00:43:53.100 really fascinating part that these people like uh like the wide for wide swaths of antifa and

00:44:02.440 the former occupied people like uh it's very apparent that the rioting is the end in itself

00:44:07.580 or the violence is the end in itself

00:44:09.740 because they went from

00:44:10.700 protesting

00:44:12.700 large banks and

00:44:15.460 these corporate entities

00:44:17.140 to now Antifa is basically

00:44:19.860 corporately sponsored.

00:44:23.180 I'd be

00:44:23.940 shocked if there's a single Antifa person

00:44:25.820 who doesn't realize

00:44:27.360 that the reason they're getting pre-prepared

00:44:29.980 placards and

00:44:30.920 pre-prepared equipment and stuff

00:44:34.120 is because some

00:44:35.340 some billionaire influence peddler is backing them behind the scenes and using them as like

00:44:41.960 a private shock militia to enforce regime orthodoxy. Like, uh, it's not organic that

00:44:49.860 they're, that they somehow can always show up, uh, wherever, wherever like a right winger or

00:44:57.220 grandmother is like grotescing the regime or is prying out abortion clinic, but somehow can't

00:45:03.200 show up for anything that is being done by the government that uh

00:45:08.200 so down here you know the no kings protest we just had the other day

00:45:16.160 um where i'm at down the gulf coast there was several no kings protests in a close proximity

00:45:23.540 to me and they were staggering the time so that they could get done with one and then bust them

00:45:29.180 to the next location to make it look like they had more organic presence than they actually did

00:45:33.560 and i actually went up traveled to the no kings protest up in atlanta because i knew that was

00:45:40.880 going to be one of the bigger ones so i figured if anything was going to pop off on this side of

00:45:44.540 the country be there and i got there with another guy that was working as my cameraman

00:45:50.520 it's like 10 in the morning there was 5 000 people within the approved little protest space

00:45:57.780 at liberty plaza and then another 3 000 waiting outside and we looked around and we dressed like

00:46:03.260 antifa because that's we were expecting to blend in with antifa and we ended up sticking out like 0.98

00:46:07.580 a sore thumb because we get there we look around there's 5 000 like boomer middle-aged white ladies

00:46:13.400 sitting in lawn chairs holding up signs and then they paraded the the few people of color you know

00:46:18.340 the token people of color up front duel with beef and two hours later it starts getting hot 0.79

00:46:24.300 they all walk back to the parking garage where they pay like $40 an hour so they don't have to 0.97

00:46:30.580 walk past the bus stop full of all the black people dying of fentanyl and it's just kind of 0.96

00:46:36.180 a joke yeah we expected a lot more to come out of it but I noticed that everywhere we went there 0.89

00:46:42.680 was some group with a bunch of white buses and that's where all the younger college kids a lot

00:46:48.240 of them would show up from and they're just getting bussed around from one rally to the next

00:46:52.220 um i don't know i feel like if you're a straight guy then like fight club and mike ma is your 0.98

00:47:00.180 outlet for your rage and if you're a fag then i guess you go into anti no i definitely see this 0.94

00:47:06.480 and uh of course if you're if you're an angry like 55 60 year old woman uh you join like 0.98

00:47:15.440 party politics and protests i i'd been i'd been amazed at like the uh the past 10 years

00:47:23.080 at the radicalization of like the arch normie like uh like uh the tv watcher or like the casual

00:47:31.280 news reader uh that that this is actually like this core demographic is actually like a very

00:47:37.280 small percentage of the population at this point like uh women who still read jezebel or who are

00:47:43.280 still like uncritic or uh 65 year olds who are still uncritically reading atlantic or like are

00:47:51.000 are cultivating their image of themselves as like a bureaucrat who has has uh some refinement and

00:48:00.480 taste you know some some accent affectation that uh that obviously isn't natural to them and they

00:48:09.880 didn't pick up actually traveling but like something that they wanted to incorporate

00:48:13.720 into your identity like these these types of like uh people who pretend to like some

00:48:20.760 intellectual life and for fun that they don't really have have this like what used to be like

00:48:27.460 the norm the normal like consumer of like upper middle class culture is now like as radicalized

00:48:35.060 as possible possible and it's extraordinary because like uh these people who think of as

00:48:41.200 crowd followers now all like stand out stand out like sore thumbs because they're basically the

00:48:48.520 only ones who have like uh you're seeing how small a subset of the population these people are

00:48:55.740 but how committed they are to the idea that they're the majority or that they're the the

00:49:01.340 trendsetter uh we had this

00:49:04.500 everyone wants to uh be like an elitist avant-garde um he stayed on the right too

00:49:14.720 but they they're trying to be avant-garde in the in the vein of you know like hunter s thompson

00:49:20.900 but to be avant-garde in the last five decades is basically to mock the middle working class

00:49:27.760 you know all of these ivy league liberal journalists and writers for the last at least

00:49:33.380 50 years have made a career out of making fun of the average working class guy and that has become

00:49:41.760 well it's very important that the left is composed of the people who read the new yorker to make fun 0.62

00:49:47.960 of the lower classes not the people who who like laugh at the new yorker and it's like vain

00:49:54.520 pretensions that uh the actual avant-garde is very plainly not all the left left now the left

00:50:02.320 can't produce art to save their lives and the the lower classes the middle classes the self-employed

00:50:10.580 classes are like completely divorced from the left or like anything going on one of these places but

00:50:16.140 all the aspirant bureaucratic class, but the mediocre within it that are utterly consumed

00:50:28.020 with this image of themselves as more intellectual than they are and more important than they

00:50:36.840 are.

00:50:38.500 Ironically, the people who are actually doing well in these bureaucracies, you'd be shocked,

00:50:44.300 like half of them are our guys just because like they're the ones who are creative and fluent

00:50:50.120 enough and clever enough to like actually do well and put out fires and like be the competent person

00:50:57.740 in the room that uh that you can wind up in a room with like like 10 people at 10 government 0.53

00:51:05.180 departments and like they're all the competent white guys who actually do things and almost all

00:51:10.940 of them are like based right right wingers now that uh that all these that uh the only people

00:51:19.040 who actually believe the regime rhetoric are like can torture themselves into believing it

00:51:23.460 are the the funkies and the mediocrities with their imposter syndrome it's it's quite it's

00:51:31.660 quite a dramatic thing the evaporative cooling effect that's happened as like wokeness has like

00:51:37.960 declined and died culturally but uh so you're but uh this again we're way off topic

00:51:47.220 getting back to your journey uh so you attend charlottesville uh

00:51:52.940 uh and you come out of it like unscathed in the immediate day it's far

00:52:01.260 uh does anything dramatic to you happen on the day of charlottesville or are you just 0.92

00:52:07.980 witnessing all this manda i mean i um i got to beat the shit out of a bunch of commies

00:52:16.680 so that was pretty fucking cool um after it was just the backlash you know everyone getting doxxed 0.67

00:52:23.840 I was deplatformed personally by Mark Zuckerberg, amongst many others. 0.89

00:52:29.480 And then having the normies disavow us, you know, the very people that are slowly starting 0.98

00:52:34.620 to parrot the same shit we've been saying for seven years were the ones disavowing us 0.98

00:52:39.300 and celebrating it back then. 0.99

00:52:41.880 But it definitely was my final moment in forward progression on the political spectrum.

00:52:51.360 So after that, I got a lot more involved in our circles. 0.99

00:52:57.920 Fortunately, I ended up getting a job as a bail bondsman, which worked out really well because it turns out nobody gives a shit if a bail bondsman is racist. 0.98

00:53:05.220 It's kind of a requirement for the job. 0.98

00:53:06.460 almost so you have to be kind of nice when you know the crying baby mama shows up your office

00:53:17.040 at like 3 a.m because her boyfriend has been arrested for domestic violence and and uh drug

00:53:23.500 distribution for the 20th time but the moment they sign on the contract then your customer

00:53:29.020 service mask comes off and you start threatening them with all the things you'll do to them if

00:53:33.260 they don't show up to court and pay their bills so no one really cared about my background in that

00:53:39.920 because it is essentially a like mercenary law enforcement i guess it's one of the last wild

00:53:45.380 west careers still available in the u.s listeners at home if you're in a dire spot and want a career

00:53:52.340 that's mercenary wild west and like has some physical element and gets you you in contact

00:53:59.180 with the underworld and kind of understanding

00:54:01.920 what's going on out there, consider

00:54:05.100 bail bondsman. That is

00:54:06.760 one I had not considered before, but that is

00:54:11.920 that would certainly be like a good introduction.

00:54:19.360 It's never boring work.

00:54:21.460 It can make you pretty decent money.

00:54:24.400 A lot of the stories that I share

00:54:27.260 on sub stack or they're making their way into books are tightly based on real life experiences

00:54:33.520 it teaches you a lot about uh sort of having one foot in each world as far as you have to

00:54:41.380 bend or fracture the occasional law to get your job done because you have in some ways more freedom

00:54:48.120 of authority than a cop and then less than others so you you kind of straddle the line between the

00:54:54.840 people that you're putting away or bonding out and law enforcement aspect of it it's a really

00:55:01.400 unique job and it's not that hard to get into i think a lot of places you know you pay like

00:55:06.860 300 bucks to take the test and get your license and badge it's not hard to get into as long as 0.92

00:55:13.480 you're not a felon but um a lot of late nights a lot of drunks a lot of scumbags the bonus is if

00:55:21.880 they skip court you can to a degree you can do a little bit of vigilante justice because i mean

00:55:27.420 there's not really such a thing as excessive force and bail enforcement it's kind of a uh

00:55:34.080 their word versus your situation so take me through a because this is like uh something of

00:55:41.440 an alien role to to me uh i haven't really i'm not sure how this economy works in can or like

00:55:51.000 most of europe but it's a huge thing in the u.s every time i travel the u.s i see

00:55:55.380 the bail bondsman signs on the side side of the road what take me through a like typical bail

00:56:02.060 bondsman case uh take our reader service this will be like very educational

00:56:06.320 90 of your work is not the flashy cool stuff it's not dog the bounty hunter 90 of it and where you

00:56:17.540 make most of your meat and potatoes is making commission on bonding people out and of course

00:56:23.440 the uh the worse the crime they committed the more of a danger to society their category of crime is

00:56:30.220 and their criminal history the higher their bonds going to be and the more money you're going to make

00:56:34.400 so as a bondsman your main job is you're sitting at the office usually at night and you're waiting

00:56:42.960 for someone to get a DUI or you're waiting for someone to get arrested for domestic violence

00:56:47.760 or drugs or whatever it is. And once you spend any amount of time on the job, you're going to

00:56:52.480 get to know the frequent flyers. So I was fortunate in that I dated a lot of ladies in 1.00

00:57:00.100 law enforcement, which was sort of a strategic partnership in that anytime they apprehended

00:57:06.820 someone with a high bond, they'd let me know and then I could look up their family on Facebook,

00:57:10.500 start talking to them, get them in the bond office. We have kind of a wide latitude when

00:57:18.200 it comes to enforcement. A lot of people don't realize this, but when you co-sign on someone

00:57:23.580 else bonding out, you're waiving your Fourth Amendment rights until the trial's over.

00:57:29.320 So if we decide we don't like the way you looked at us, or we think you're at risk

00:57:34.440 violating your probation or the conditions of your release, we'll just revoke your bond.

00:57:39.580 and we can just come kick your door in.

00:57:41.200 We don't need a warrant.

00:57:43.020 So that aspect is, of course, the flashy part

00:57:46.200 everyone wants to hear about is chasing people that skip court.

00:57:49.780 It probably only happens about 10% of the time,

00:57:52.040 and a lot of the time you're going to get a hunch who it's going to be.

00:57:54.860 So one of the ways I would sort of counter that

00:57:56.940 is if I felt you were probably going to skip court,

00:58:00.200 I would have one of the other guys go put a GPS tracker 1.00

00:58:03.640 on your girlfriend's car in the parking lot 0.99

00:58:06.060 while she's signing the bond with me.

00:58:07.740 and we would just keep a close eye on them and then when they failed to show up to court

00:58:12.740 we'd skip trace them to find out where they just spent their debit card at last

00:58:17.420 and go pick them up usually they're going to self-surrender or we're going to pay someone

00:58:22.700 else who bonded with us you know take a few bucks off what they owe to snitch you out

00:58:26.460 so it's very rare that you're actually going and kicking in doors which is the fun part that's the

00:58:32.680 part that kind of keeps you slogging through all the slow days of dealing with people coming in

00:58:38.520 through the office and that is fun I'm not gonna lie that for me getting out of the Marine Corps

00:58:44.720 and becoming a pedestrian is scratch that itch you know getting to do the detective work 0.98

00:58:51.640 catfishing dumbass criminals and then kicking in their door and bringing them back to jail 0.87

00:58:57.180 it's definitely a fun job it's it's not something that's ever boring but that's a very small 0.99

00:59:04.600 portion of your daily routine a lot of it you're basically a glorified loan shark you know we run

00:59:11.100 a risk assessment software that ironically is a little bit racist itself in how it categorizes

00:59:18.840 risk and we have an insurance company that floats us the liquid capital to get you out that's why

00:59:25.720 they call it surety bail is because you're working with a large insurance company that floats the

00:59:30.740 money. So when you skip court, you know, we're on the hook for that money that we owe to the court

00:59:36.260 and the insurance company. That's why we have, I want to say the national average for bail

00:59:41.840 enforcement is like a 94% capture rate. And I think actual law enforcement is somewhere in like

00:59:49.340 the 70s percentile they're getting paid a accelerator hourly and they got better things

00:59:55.420 to do they're gonna wait for you to run a red light we got money on the line so we're gonna

01:00:00.180 make sure you don't get away and when we pick you up if you're cooperative sure i'll let you

01:00:06.220 make one last phone call maybe i'll even let you stop at mickey d's on the way to the jail

01:00:09.900 if you pissed me off if you make me run and get tired we're gonna say you resisted no matter

01:00:17.140 whether you do or not and if we find weed or crap or something on you we're gonna make sure you get 0.60

01:00:21.940 slapped with that too and it's gonna be a rough day for you but i think the the one fun thing if

01:00:28.600 you're a young single guy because it's definitely not a a job for someone who's married it's a lot

01:00:33.180 of late nights um if you're a young single guy though getting into this industry you'll never

01:00:39.460 be bored i promise you that you will learn a lot about the world the only downside is it makes you 0.98

01:00:44.660 pretty fucking jaded because you're dealing with a scum of the earth every day coming in and out 0.99

01:00:49.540 of your office it definitely taught me that probably 80 of the cops are racist because 1.00

01:00:56.000 they're so fucking tired of having to be adult babysitters to these people every day all right 0.89

01:01:01.260 so so kind of two questions so you're bulldog in the case where the person has skipped the 0.95

01:01:11.860 bail you're doing the full dog the bounty hunter arrest like detaining them your yourself like uh

01:01:19.500 you don't just identify where they're at and call call the cops and have the cops do it because

01:01:24.140 the cops probably won't chill up

01:01:26.060 they don't give a shit about it if it's bail it's 100 on you um if you know the person's 0.97

01:01:35.220 armed and it might be a standoff situation you can do a courtesy call it's like i would always 0.98

01:01:39.500 do a courtesy call to local law enforcement partners just to let them know hey i'm gonna be

01:01:43.960 here picking this guy up on a warrant here's what me and my guys look like what we're driving please

01:01:49.020 don't shoot us if some nosy old lady calls you to show up so i would always try to be professional

01:01:54.780 and do courtesy calls with local law enforcement and if you thought you were gonna have like a

01:01:59.580 barricaded suspect situation you could try to get them to help you on that but otherwise they see

01:02:05.900 you as part of the problem because you're bonding these people out and it's a they see it as a

01:02:10.740 predatory situation they don't care that we make their job easier they don't care that we are

01:02:18.940 better at finding these people and letting them do more important things so they're not going to come

01:02:23.600 help you it's on you and if you're chasing down skips for your own agency that bonded on you

01:02:30.540 you're not getting paid for that you're just going and preventing being uh losing money so

01:02:36.200 you're preventing a loss of money now if you get contracted for another bondsman to go chase down

01:02:41.800 one of their skips yeah you're gonna make buku bucks on that all right and now the other aspect

01:02:47.480 of it is obviously there's like a wide spectrum of danger associated with uh various crimes and

01:02:55.960 you're the one making the decision as to whether to bond someone or not uh are there are the cases

01:03:03.900 you just don't don't bond uh maybe not even because of flight risk but just because the

01:03:10.320 the crime is violent enough that it's like oh that'd be dangerous to try and chase them down

01:03:16.180 again like a a multiple homicide case if they somehow may uh were approved for bond or no is

01:03:24.520 no definitely not even if you wanted to your boss is going to make you do it because the money is 0.92

01:03:30.720 going to be so good on that boss um there are people who have repeatedly beaten their wife 0.99

01:03:37.320 and are just a scumbag and you're not going to make that much money we can kind of be like you 1.00

01:03:41.720 know let him rot or let him call someone else um if you're a pedophile you know we're going to 1.00

01:03:49.520 either try to not bond you or we're gonna try to make your life fucking hell while you're bonded 1.00

01:03:55.020 out with us and we're gonna try to taunt you into skipping court so we have an excuse to come beat 0.99

01:04:00.140 the shit out of you so there's sort of personal bias to it but ultimately it's capitalism man 0.96

01:04:06.700 so the worst crime category you committed the more money we make if like a a former special 0.99

01:04:13.960 force sky turn terror somehow is approved for bail you're gonna you're gonna sign

01:04:20.960 then off on that bail and just accept you might have to chase him down

01:04:24.600 100 now we're going to put in a lot of um contingency plans and so is the judge the

01:04:32.160 judge is probably going to put you on a house arrest and ankle monitor and all that good stuff

01:04:37.520 and part of our job will be to enforce that because when you're bonded out you're not actually

01:04:41.820 free you're remanded into our custody now yeah you get to go back home and maybe go to work so

01:04:48.720 you have a lot more yard time than the guys that are still sitting inside but you're not actually

01:04:53.700 free so we're in charge of you babysitting you making sure you go to court and we can keep tabs

01:04:59.920 on you as part of the condition of your bond so if we have someone that's at risk we're going to

01:05:05.840 do a whole lot of other things in the background that probably violate the hell out of your civil

01:05:11.880 rights but you don't have those while you're bonded anyway so all those high risk cases

01:05:17.680 if the money's good enough we'll figure out ways to mitigate the risk and make sure that you don't

01:05:23.580 slip out and get away from us all right and so now i'll get asked uh do you have any dramatic

01:05:31.360 case of people actually getting away from you uh uh dramatic runs or uh or uh good stories of

01:05:39.820 people who put up a good chase i've never had anyone succeed in getting away uh i had a guy

01:05:49.320 this is down in the southeast kind of the backwoods uh he was a a meth cook he's actually

01:05:55.520 operating out of a stolen u-haul had a little mobile meth lab going when he got caught and he

01:06:00.740 He was well-known to law enforcement in the community, and everyone had bonded him out at least once or twice.

01:06:06.580 So we knew he was kind of an unhinged guy that we needed to keep an eye on.

01:06:11.500 He ended up skipping court because he knew he was faced probably 15 to 20 years. 0.77

01:06:16.920 And we knew his residence was out in the woods.

01:06:20.180 He lived in a little trailer on the skilts out in the middle of nowhere.

01:06:23.500 I'm talking like a mile back from the road, guy breeds pit bulls for a living.

01:06:28.660 we're going out there there's three of us to apprehend this guy and when we knock on the door

01:06:34.720 of the trailer luckily we were standing to the side of the door you know we learned this the

01:06:40.000 hard way we're standing off to the sides of the door when we banged on the door because he ended

01:06:45.140 up uh putting a few pretty good size holes through the door or the shotgun and then he proceeded to

01:06:50.700 try to push his window ac out and jump out the window the problem was he was a pretty big fellow

01:06:57.020 So he ended up getting stuck up in the air, suspended, stuck in this window.

01:07:02.620 And we're trying to fight these three pit bulls that he sicked on us.

01:07:07.620 We're dealing with his baby mama, hoping that he doesn't have a meth lab about to turn the place into an ashtray.

01:07:14.220 And we're trying to figure out how to extract this guy out of the window.

01:07:19.780 So that was more of the more fun chases that we did. 0.90

01:07:23.120 It definitely scares the shit out of you the few times you do get shot. 0.98

01:07:27.020 You know, it doesn't happen very often, but it definitely will wake you up pretty fucking quick. 0.91

01:07:32.540 I've never had anyone succeed in getting away.

01:07:34.940 We had a guy that went all the way up to Canada, and I didn't even know we could go to Canada.

01:07:39.800 But we ended up getting paid all expenses by the boss to travel up to Canada and bring him back.

01:07:46.340 You can't go to Mexico, obviously. Dog the bounty hunter figured that out the hard way.

01:07:50.480 Oh, why can't you go to Mexico?

01:07:54.860 Bounty hunting is actually against the law there.

01:07:56.660 It is in a few states in the U.S. too.

01:07:59.600 So you have to be very aware of local laws and regulations when you're doing this.

01:08:04.100 It's like anyone that bonds out from your state, you can contract to go after them if they're not bonded with you.

01:08:12.540 And you can chase them all over the country.

01:08:14.280 You can chase them to Canada.

01:08:16.620 But there's different rules everywhere you go.

01:08:19.560 And there are a few liberal states in the U.S. where you're not allowed to pursue people. 0.99

01:08:23.900 If they go there, you can just find a fuck because they're almost like a fugitive sanctuary state. 0.98

01:08:28.900 I'm fascinated that you're able to go to Canada. 0.98

01:08:33.260 I'm not sure if you know the legal complexities of that or were you just calling the local police and being like, yeah, he's here and this is what he's charged with and there's an international warrant on him.

01:08:44.960 we had to work through interpol and the mounties and local police and you know as a u.s citizen

01:08:54.500 you're not really supposed to bring guns into canada across the border so it was a really

01:08:59.200 weird situation it's something i just kind of learned on the fly luckily one of the guys i

01:09:03.560 was working with was an older guy had done this before so he kind of took a point on it and knew

01:09:08.820 what all the local laws were um the guy ended up self-surrendering once we cornered him so it

01:09:15.780 wasn't too big of a deal and then we just flew him back and all right oh so you so you were able

01:09:22.380 to go through interval which is weird because you're not an actual law enforcement yeah it's

01:09:29.540 it's a really weird thing is even a lot of cops in the u.s if they're new to the force they don't

01:09:34.420 really know the ins and outs of bail enforcement. And Canada, as far as I know, doesn't have

01:09:39.560 surety bail. So they didn't know anything about it. So we had to go kind of through a whole

01:09:45.660 process of different chains of command. All right. Fascinating. And so you're doing the

01:09:53.400 training shot out. I assume you guys are as armed as you can possibly be every time you go out or

01:09:59.880 close to that.

01:10:03.460 Yeah, I mean, you wear a plate carrier,

01:10:06.480 you usually carry just a sidearm.

01:10:09.460 You know, we're not usually going out there with ARs

01:10:11.840 looking like we're about to invade Afghanistan.

01:10:14.500 But the more gear and the more guys you got

01:10:19.100 that know what the hell they're doing,

01:10:20.100 it's more about having somebody with you

01:10:22.060 that you can trust to not shoot you

01:10:25.280 when something goes south.

01:10:26.360 Because you get some of these guys that are trigger-happy,

01:10:28.080 that have no prior training or experience anything and they're a bigger threat to you than the guy

01:10:33.980 you're going to pick up so it's more about having a few guys with you you can rely on when things go

01:10:40.080 south using tech and social engineering to your advantage every opportunity you get most of these

01:10:47.220 guys we're not going to get indoors i wish that was the job every day that's a blast most of it 0.66

01:10:53.400 you're using a female bail bondsman to catfish him on tinder or you're having somebody snitch 0.75

01:11:00.020 him out and you find that there's no honor among thieves when uh when it comes to like 200 bucks

01:11:07.760 to go buy another hit of whatever their preferred poison is they're going to snitch you out every

01:11:12.720 time i don't care if they say you're their boy when it comes down to it they're going to throw

01:11:16.800 you so these guys are are jumping bail some of them like uh you're one example the guy was looking

01:11:22.880 at like 10-15 years

01:11:24.460 and they're going on tinder

01:11:26.600 and they're hanging around their old

01:11:27.780 friends and stuff like

01:11:29.540 so we have a joke that every 1.00

01:11:34.620 guy is easy to catch that women are

01:11:36.600 the only ones where you really have to be 1.00

01:11:38.260 wily to catch them

01:11:39.200 you will find a lot of these guys

01:11:42.620 they're unemployed

01:11:44.460 almost every time 1.00

01:11:45.440 they usually have three baby mamas

01:11:48.180 they usually hide either at their mom's house

01:11:50.480 or with one of their baby mamas 0.99

01:11:51.840 and all day they're on social media and dating apps so we'd get a female bail enforcement officer 1.00

01:12:00.580 to kind of catfish these guys we'd go to where we think they're hiding out and just have her swipe 0.99

01:12:05.400 right on every guy that looks kind of like the guy we're looking for and a lot of times that's

01:12:10.360 how you'd find them i wish it was something more jason borm that was cooler than that but that's

01:12:16.440 usually how it works out guys are pretty simple minded so it's easy to trick them think so you

01:12:23.420 dear listener at home think about it this is who the american system optimizes to breed the most

01:12:29.960 these guys with like three baby mamas who are out on bail looking at 10 10 plus years in prison

01:12:36.460 possibly and they're still swiping right and still messaging uh the female bails bond bondsman

01:12:44.680 trying to track them down and going on dates

01:12:46.600 with her, even while they're out on bail.

01:12:49.460 Bail had skipped bail

01:12:50.640 and are looking at 10 years in prison if they're caught.

01:12:53.420 This is

01:12:54.420 tormenting

01:12:56.780 some of our listeners. I hope you realize

01:12:58.720 that this is what the U.S.

01:13:00.720 system optimizes to

01:13:02.560 breed and reproduce.

01:13:07.340 Inspell

01:13:07.820 from suicide watch.

01:13:09.720 What's that? You're going to have to translate that.

01:13:12.560 as they're incels

01:13:14.920 incels on 1.00

01:13:17.040 suicide watch hearing this shit right now 1.00

01:13:18.980 the thing is all these guys were 1.00

01:13:20.780 broke losers 0.96

01:13:21.860 a few of them were living out of their mom's basement 0.99

01:13:24.840 working at mcdonald's

01:13:26.020 and somehow they always have multiple 1.00

01:13:28.420 women in their lives

01:13:29.900 I can tell you exactly why 1.00

01:13:31.400 so anyone out there

01:13:34.020 anyone out there that thinks that you're gonna be

01:13:36.700 single forever I promise you 1.00

01:13:38.300 if these losers can get a woman you can 1.00

01:13:40.460 So don't doom scroll, don't black coat. 1.00

01:13:43.680 I can tell you exactly why these guys are getting women. 1.00

01:13:45.720 It's because they're losers. 1.00

01:13:47.680 It's because they're like violent criminal thugs and have tattoos and don't obey the rules. 1.00

01:13:55.300 This is what women find attractive. 1.00

01:13:57.520 They're bad boys. 1.00

01:14:00.200 It's a myth that women are some... 1.00

01:14:03.480 There's definitely... 1.00

01:14:05.460 You can't beat nature. 1.00

01:14:07.500 She's undefeated. 1.00

01:14:08.380 I think, yeah, on some genetic level, just a guy who's more capable of violence and isn't a pussy is always going to have some options, even if economically and every other way he's a loser. 0.99

01:14:23.520 just not being a bitch and being a little bit dangerous you know there's a reason why so many 0.99

01:14:29.560 women are in a true crime and while they have some sort of fascination with serial killers 1.00

01:14:36.060 or luigi people that would probably kill them in real life but they're all attracted to them

01:14:41.780 watch a lana del rey music video this is like endlessly fascinating to me and it's like as

01:14:48.480 as you see it it's everywhere but if you watch alana delray music video uh everything she does

01:14:55.500 is like this arch americana uh like she's singing in cathedrals she's singing in mansions she's

01:15:01.300 singing in this like like incredible like sepia filter filter uh like just these gorgeous videos

01:15:09.260 that's like communicating this like arch class and wealth and whatnot about these tragic apocalyptic

01:15:15.620 loves you know in she's in like a james bond car or like she's in a cathedral and there's a tiger

01:15:22.560 there and whatnot but it's like classily done like it's the wealthiest looking thing you could

01:15:27.620 possibly see it's like communicating like uh like she's america's princess pretty much

01:15:33.460 pretty much she's the highest class woman you can imagine in every single lana delory music video 0.75

01:15:39.840 the guy is this skinny meth head looking mofo with like tattoos and like a mullet and like 0.99

01:15:48.400 a mustache or something that has like no that looks like the trashiest person you can 1.00

01:15:54.740 could ever meet except he looks like he's committed some violence in his lifetime he

01:15:58.960 looks like he's broken the law and like that's that's the fantasy that like hundreds of millions

01:16:05.600 of american girls have like bought into and been heartbrook broken over and lana del rey is me

01:16:12.400 and then you look at lana del rey's actual husband who she married and it's just like uh

01:16:19.680 exactly gator guy exactly she uh america's princess it's like perfect this uh this like

01:16:29.360 perfect dream of american femininity marries an airboat gator man and starts eating gator meat

01:16:38.120 and actually she looks better than ever now because she's eating like all natural gator meat 0.58

01:16:42.980 as opposed to like whatever whatever she was eating on the road so she's actually living her

01:16:48.340 best life right right now but uh but you kids at home you don't have to be rich you don't have to

01:16:56.140 be gorgeous you don't have to be you don't have to be prince charming you don't have to be james 0.98

01:17:01.660 bond you just have to not be a pussy this is this my exactly dangerous exactly but uh 1.00

01:17:10.660 but no this is uh but taking it back to the black fellow uh this is uh something that uh 0.99

01:17:21.780 a fellow i met recently who had spent like uh the past five eight years in prison uh i never heard

01:17:30.520 what the charge was actually friend of a friend but uh he was chatting with him with him at a

01:17:38.520 at a like get together and he was saying that uh one of the one of the most disturbing things he's

01:17:44.560 seen getting out of prison is like how prison culture and like gang culture which um he argues

01:17:52.020 gang culture actually isn't gang culture that all gang culture is just prison culture continuing

01:17:57.400 outside but he argues that like all the logic of prison culture and like uh and like the racial

01:18:03.920 dynamics and the like status hierarchy and like the standoffish uh kind of threat equilibrium

01:18:11.300 and what makes someone high status that the world is being consumed by prison culture right now and

01:18:17.740 that that uh since he's gone out every institution he sees and every like aspect of life that he sees

01:18:24.260 that he knew he's knew before he went in has become more and more like prison culture in his

01:18:29.980 absence and this is this is very disturbing disturbing to hear and i'm like well is that

01:18:38.240 true but everything you're saying about uh even going back to like the racial divisions of of the

01:18:45.160 uh of the marine corps to now uh all these uh bail skippers having having three baby mamas

01:18:53.720 and be on tinder at the same time all this is lining up that like uh his his observation is

01:19:00.420 like disturbingly, disturbingly real to me right now.

01:19:07.480 No, there's definitely an element of truth to what he's saying.

01:19:10.260 But I mean, you got to look at it.

01:19:11.940 America is in a deep state of decline.

01:19:15.520 And whenever you see a civilization that's approaching collapse,

01:19:22.640 whatever the most vile, vulgar, lowest class tropes are become commonplace.

01:19:29.520 commonplace they get normalized you know when a civilization's ascendant when it's at its peak

01:19:36.320 that stuff is all sort of uh stigmatized you know and uh the lower class all want to

01:19:43.440 they want upward mobility to get into the middle class right now the middle class is evaporating

01:19:48.880 and you're getting more of a two-tiered society and i think ai is really gonna push that further

01:19:56.480 when you have 60 of the population rendered obsolete by ai and they go on universal basic

01:20:03.520 income or how will we solve that problem you're going to have a two-tiered society you're going 0.99

01:20:09.120 to have the people that are still producers at the top and then you're going to have massive

01:20:16.240 population of underclass and i look at this and i see you know like vo3 the videos that it can put

01:20:23.760 out they're basically going to liquidate only fans which is great but you're gonna see a lot

01:20:32.840 of dark stuff coming out because i mean if you let ai render like freight brokers and accountants

01:20:39.820 and paralegals and all these people out of a job they're all on ubi i think the only thing left

01:20:49.000 that ai can't compete with is the human desire to inflict suffering on other humans so like a writer

01:20:54.760 friend of mine is doing a project called meet suit he's a one of our guys who's homeless and

01:21:02.360 he writes about his journeys and pretty much his audience has decision making over him so if they

01:21:09.080 say hey you got to shave your beard he's got to do it and provide a picture and the whole idea is to

01:21:13.880 kind of give people a look into the near future the dystopian transhumanist horizon that is

01:21:20.500 approaching us quickly all of these only fans creators and youtubers have a very uh narrowing

01:21:29.220 window of time that they're still going to be able to make an income off of this before ai takes over

01:21:34.520 and i think we're going to see a lot of disturbing stuff coming through the pipeline

01:21:38.700 where people will be willing to let you do pretty much anything to them

01:21:42.600 as long as it gets them attention and clout and a little bit of income.

01:21:47.380 Because we all know that if we ever do get UBI,

01:21:50.800 it's going to be just enough to survive off of,

01:21:54.120 but not enough to feel human.

01:21:56.400 I can say it. 1.00

01:21:58.660 Mind you, I wouldn't count the e-girls out yet. 1.00

01:22:03.620 The e-girl economy is vast and multivaried 0.99

01:22:07.440 And has wonderful, wonderful allowances for creativity and all kinds of madness, as you know, dear listener. 0.93

01:22:17.720 But, uh, but coming back to your, your story, uh, uh, after that digression, uh, so you're working as a Bales bondsman.

01:22:30.420 And then, you haven't mentioned it to me, but I have to ask, what happens in, like, 2020, 2021 during the Summer of Love, COVID, the election?

01:22:44.240 Like, you must have had the most fascinating, like, view on this of, like, anyone on Earth.

01:22:49.880 i so i actually got hired as armed security during the summer of love for a lot of businesses

01:23:01.480 so in the state that i was working out of i was actually going through cancer treatment at the

01:23:07.580 time so i had to relocate to a state for cancer treatment and i got a job in a bail bonds agency

01:23:14.580 there while I was going through that and then 2020 happened and the bail bonds agency there

01:23:21.140 pretty much everywhere across the state had to shutter its doors for almost a year because

01:23:27.120 they didn't want to add more prison population and increase the likelihood of spreading COVID

01:23:34.420 so they just started PR bonding people and I'm talking about like armed robbery charge

01:23:39.860 release them on personal reconnaissance so for about a year they put us out of business

01:23:45.080 so i worked doing armed security during the riots and that was interesting because uh

01:23:52.720 one of the businesses i worked at was right next to a biker bar and biker bar had a bunch of hell's

01:23:58.900 angels come in and do security for them so we were watching the rioters come down the street

01:24:03.760 we were in a downtown area and they were destroying every building looting everything

01:24:09.540 burning cars and then as soon as they came to a place where they saw a bunch of pissed off 0.57

01:24:13.840 white dudes with guns out front they just sort of like part of the seas around us

01:24:18.100 destroyed everything else around us but the business i was guarding in that biker bar 0.78

01:24:24.320 they were still standing at the end of it so we got the uh front row seats to the destruction 1.00

01:24:29.420 but at least I got paid for it

01:24:31.800 but yeah COVID was

01:24:34.140 a weird time I ended up

01:24:35.900 not getting out of bail bonds

01:24:38.300 entirely I still have my license and I'll

01:24:40.220 still help other agencies chase

01:24:42.320 every once in a while

01:24:43.240 but I ended up getting a DOD

01:24:46.220 job about halfway through that

01:24:48.160 and

01:24:49.840 photoshopping one of my

01:24:52.220 co-workers vaccine cards so that

01:24:54.240 I could get on base without having to get the jab

01:24:56.540 based in both senses of both senses of the word uh but uh oh that is interesting so

01:25:08.400 was there like a special legal allowance for you as like armed security or like i imagine

01:25:14.620 there wasn't a special legal allowance for uh the hell's angels so no it's uh just a thing

01:25:23.840 the business owners did on their own and it's by ccw lots you know as long as it's a justifiable

01:25:31.740 homicide and you've had your life put at risk then it's legal we didn't have to shoot anybody

01:25:38.540 unfortunately um they all just avoided us but a lot of businesses watch what was happening in

01:25:47.020 minnesota and a few other places and they say you know i'm not going to let this business that i've

01:25:53.220 invested my whole life into or has been handed down by my my parents and my grandparents i'm not

01:25:58.060 gonna let these people burn it down so they've just hired people to be private armed security 0.99

01:26:02.960 you just stand out front with an ar and these riders are all pussies you know they'll gang up 0.99

01:26:09.860 on someone and beat them up or loot a place where there's no risk but the moment that there's someone 0.99

01:26:15.400 there that they're having to actually fight or worry about uh someone being strapped yeah they're

01:26:22.980 gonna go pick an easier target well it well this is where it's like uh dramatic that the only

01:26:28.340 the only person who was standing out with an ar-15 that we ever heard of them actually like

01:26:34.560 trying to do anything to was of course kyle rittenhouse this like 17 year old baby face 0.86

01:26:40.980 like uh is he half korean uh like he he's doubly baby face some way there's like um something in

01:26:49.900 There's an ethnic background there that he just, like, looks vastly younger than he is. 0.69

01:26:55.520 And, like, he was the only one they thought to challenge because he looked, like, innocent.

01:27:02.840 And, like, maybe they could try him.

01:27:05.840 Whereas, like, obviously you or the Hells Angels or the famous one in, uh, in, uh, not Kenosha, um, Milwaukee was, uh, the Mexican Mafia was patrolling their streets, their neighborhoods, just, uh, looking in people's cars and saying, yes, you can come here, no, you can't come here, etc.

01:27:28.460 but uh yeah rittenhouse was the only one they they felt the desire caught out on his own the

01:27:37.600 only one they felt felt the desire to like actually challenge or fight because they thought they could

01:27:44.920 and then like even like the most baby-faced guy out there uh you know gunned down two of them and

01:27:53.660 didn't suffer any injuries.

01:27:59.820 It's because he was a young kid and he was all alone.

01:28:02.720 They thought they could just swarm him.

01:28:05.160 If there had been two or three guys with him that were carrying, 0.99

01:28:09.400 I guarantee they wouldn't have fucked with him. 0.99

01:28:12.160 But they were probably going to smoke him if they'd gotten the opportunity. 0.99

01:28:17.060 So they all ganged up. 0.95

01:28:18.100 And two of them were pedophiles, if I remember right, that he popped.

01:28:22.120 They're all going to gang up on some teenage kid because he was alone. 0.81

01:28:25.300 Yeah, the famous meme of it was that the Trump assassin fired randomly into a crowd and hit a fire chief. 0.95

01:28:36.340 And Kyle Rittenhouse fired at two Antifa guys trying to attack him, and he hit a pedophile and domestic abuser. 0.82

01:28:49.080 Yeah.

01:28:49.720 But, okay, so you're doing all this during 2020, 2021, and so bring us up to the story that I know so far.

01:29:04.500 How does this story come around to Hurricane Helene?

01:29:11.040 So I did the DoD thing for a while, post-COVID and budget cuts, had a lot of layoffs.

01:29:18.000 so i ended up getting into freelance writing which eventually replaced my main gig and became

01:29:26.840 my full-time job got hired by a couple of firms that backed comic massey to sort of put out

01:29:34.480 content for them as a ghostwriter and then i linked up with made a friend and everyone in

01:29:41.680 our mutual circles probably 2022 2023 so last year when we saw what was going on with hurricane

01:29:51.160 helene uh i told him i wanted to go up there and try to help out and he 20 minutes later he was on

01:29:58.240 the phone with me buying a flight so we went out there we had a whole team of guys it wasn't just

01:30:04.180 me and meta out there doing all this we had a whole lot of support you know we had old glory

01:30:08.300 club and pete canones providing a lot of manpower and funding we had i don't know how many of you

01:30:15.880 listening probably ended up donating to the gofundme we had um a whole lot of folks were

01:30:22.220 backing us we went out there we had a small group of guys and we linked up with some other base guys

01:30:27.940 that were out there there were some patriot front guys out there ogc guys um we were too late to

01:30:35.540 help out on search and rescue obviously but we ended up doing a little bit of search and recovery

01:30:40.260 assistance and getting a lot of people food and generators getting a lot of people into hot tents

01:30:47.100 so they wouldn't freeze to death in the winter so a lot of the guys had to go back i want to say in

01:30:53.060 november to vote and i ended up staying out there for about three months in the winter

01:30:57.720 just trying to keep people warm in tennessee and west north carolina and they put me on the face

01:31:06.220 of it on the news and all about but i kept telling me i'm just a guy they asked who i was with

01:31:11.940 as well some 30 group or somebody said i'm just a guy but it was probably a lot of you listening to

01:31:17.940 it right now to me talk that we're the only reason that we were able to go out there and help those

01:31:22.720 people we had a whole lot of our guys donating supplies and funding the go fund me so we could

01:31:29.740 buy more generators and medical equipment so i was out there for about three months

01:31:34.500 and that ended up i want to say about january of this year

01:31:38.400 all right and so now what's the current state of like uh the hurricane helene relate i remember

01:31:48.480 Overhearing that, like, basically the day after the administrations changed, all of a sudden all this relief just showed up that all of a sudden the government started working and it became immediately apparent that the Biden men had, like, purposely held it up.

01:32:07.920 But that's just a story I heard.

01:32:09.340 I have no idea if that's true or not. 0.93

01:32:14.140 There is some truth to that.

01:32:15.720 When we got there right after the hurricane had hit, the National Guard was there.

01:32:22.660 The 101st Airborne had been called up, the 82nd Airborne.

01:32:27.060 But a few days after the hurricane, for whatever reason, the governor stood them all down.

01:32:34.280 And not just the Army and the National Guard, but a whole bunch of the EOCs as well,

01:32:38.820 suspended the searches for the missing people,

01:32:41.080 which was the main reason why we were having to help the family search

01:32:44.700 just because all of the law enforcement and emergency personnel were no longer doing that.

01:32:52.540 So it's like, all right, you got these, I forget how many it was at that time,

01:32:56.500 like 15, maybe 22 people who were still missing that had been swept away.

01:33:00.720 And they just weren't looking for them anymore.

01:33:04.700 And in North Carolina, there's actually a statute where without a body,

01:33:10.100 you have to fight in court for like seven and a half years in like probate court to try to get

01:33:15.460 the life insurance policy or change the ownership of their house or any of that stuff so we actually

01:33:23.960 worked with one of the survivors of one of the victims uh her name is kelly white and she

01:33:32.320 was looking for her cousin with us and she ended up getting a law passed just recently called

01:33:38.160 Elena's Law to do away with that so these folks wouldn't have to wait seven years to try to move 1.00

01:33:44.060 on with their lives. So that was a good thing that came out of it. But one of the things we noticed

01:33:48.260 was the Army and the National Guard were just kind of sitting there at the grocery store parking

01:33:54.640 lots with all their IFVs and all their Humvees and all their five tons. And they wanted to go

01:34:00.480 out and help people. So did their command. I even had a battalion commander from North Carolina

01:34:05.880 a national guard come out and visit me and he said hey i'd love to give you manpower and some

01:34:11.500 excavators and some help he said but the governor stood us down and all the eocs the emergency

01:34:17.620 operation centers he's like so we can't do anything for you he's like i've tried to petition

01:34:22.040 as high up as i can go but the governor is saying no so a lot of the locals that were resourceful

01:34:29.280 ended up doing a lot more for their communities than these resources from the state and federal

01:34:34.500 level did. And what was the name

01:34:36.620 of the governor?

01:34:38.320 I feel this is important to

01:34:40.740 name the individual

01:34:42.460 officials.

01:34:45.940 So

01:34:46.420 it was not Stein as the

01:34:48.580 new governor, I want to say. It was the one

01:34:50.420 previous to him.

01:34:52.740 So I forget his name, but he was the governor

01:34:54.480 of North Carolina last year.

01:34:57.000 All right. I'm going to look

01:34:58.440 this up just now.

01:35:02.960 Whoever was the governor of North

01:35:04.420 Back in November, October, December.

01:35:07.840 So currently it's Josh Stein.

01:35:12.320 Let's see.

01:35:20.660 Proceeded by.

01:35:25.380 By Roy Cooper.

01:35:28.640 And it is the office as governor of North Carolina on January 1st, 2025.

01:35:34.420 Yeah. Roy D. Cooper. That's it. He was the governor while I was up there. They're both Democrats. So many people were pissed at the way that Roy Cooper handled the whole situation up there, the aftermath.

01:35:48.380 And then they voted in another liberal Democrat governor.

01:35:54.340 You know, the folks in Raleigh and Charleston up there, they all voted in another Democrat governor after everyone was so upset about how the previous administration handled the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.

01:36:12.320 and i mean it was funny we were up there just climbing up the side of mountains in the

01:36:16.760 appellations middle of fucking nowhere to bring these people food and water and generators and

01:36:22.680 we saw plenty of uh kamala harris signs and we'd still help those people we'd joke that we were 0.92

01:36:27.260 going to be like hey stop resisting we're here to help you uh we had you know white boy summer

01:36:33.400 apparel sent us a whole bunch of supplies to hand out dissident soaps help support our mission out

01:36:39.480 there. We made sure not to look like the right-wing death squad when we were going out to help these

01:36:44.480 people, but there wasn't a whole lot of government resources on the ground until about, I want to say

01:36:53.700 two weeks after Trump took office in January. That's when they brought the army back in

01:36:59.800 and brought in a lot of supplies and resources. But between late October till early January,

01:37:08.080 These people are just kind of on their own.

01:37:10.780 All right.

01:37:11.420 And you listeners at home, I'm going to harp on this point.

01:37:17.100 Governor Roy D. Cooper, Roy Ashbrake Cooper, sorry, was the governor at the time.

01:37:25.000 And he has now accepted a teaching position at Harvard University upon leaving the governor's office.

01:37:32.600 So he was well rewarded for his punishment of the people of the South.

01:37:39.920 And I'm not sure if this was edited into his Wikipedia profile afterwards, or if this was a cruel irony. 0.77

01:37:47.960 I think this might have been, like, he or his people, or someone edited this in.

01:37:53.300 But under his personal life, it says, plain as day, that Roy D. Cooper is an avid fan of the NHL team, the Carolina Hurts.

01:38:10.520 The irony is thicker than Randy Fine on that one.

01:38:14.560 Well, I wonder if that is a nutty dog whistle that one of his people intentionally added in.

01:38:21.220 I'm kind of conspiratorial about that stuff.

01:38:23.680 People do like their signal.

01:38:25.940 I like to think it's one of our guys.

01:38:28.440 I like to think one of our guys is one of their guys.

01:38:31.160 That might be the case. 0.98

01:38:32.600 We're going to white pill.

01:38:33.880 Okay, we'll white pill on this.

01:38:36.520 But so you're out there of three months and like trying to keep these people like warm and fed.

01:38:43.080 fed and doing like uh this emergency logistics and organization in like a

01:38:50.920 a grid down scenario like uh i haven't really seen it seen people writing about this but to

01:38:59.640 my mind this is like one of the great repper case studies of all time of like how do you

01:39:05.840 dynamically organized people across this like extended period of of like government abandonment

01:39:13.740 and like complete failure it's like um there was no power there uh the power in a lot of areas

01:39:22.500 were still out over a month later there was no clean running water that you could safely drink

01:39:28.480 for about two months in a lot of areas out there uh a lot of the bridges were swept out roads 0.81

01:39:35.160 swept out and it looked like a fucking war zone um you look at swananoa one of the hardest areas 0.86

01:39:42.600 right outside ashville and we called it zombie land because you know we first got there it's 0.98

01:39:49.420 just people walking around looking like zombies because there were houses in the middle of the

01:39:54.920 road and it looked like a nuke had just gone off everything was flattened um there was looting

01:40:01.140 constantly in gunfire for a while there. They had to bring in the Capitol Police and the National

01:40:05.780 Guard to enact martial law. So we had curfews for about a month and a half. It was nuts. It looks

01:40:12.720 like an apocalypse if you were there. And then you drive an hour and a half, two hours away and

01:40:18.000 everything was fine and nobody knew what was going on. And everyone focused on Asheville,

01:40:23.880 you know, the big liberal Mecca of that area. And they were fine. That's where most of the

01:40:28.220 resources were sent first but then you'd go to places outside burnsville um spruce pine erwin

01:40:35.600 tennessee where a lot of the damage uh ended up at where a lot of people that got swept away

01:40:41.480 ended up at and it just looked like a bomb had got off it looked like you know tehran probably

01:40:47.640 is looking right now and there was no organization and i i mean that as far as state level law

01:40:56.920 enforcement or emergency personnel. The communication was terrible. The organizational

01:41:02.920 structure was terrible. It was a logistical nightmare. And Meda and I showed up. And I got

01:41:09.480 to give that guy a lot of credit. And I hope a lot of folks out here listening hear this. He did a

01:41:15.280 lot of work out there. It was great. He ended up basically running an entire town for a while out

01:41:26.060 there and those people were so proud of the work he did they they wanted to make him mayor

01:41:29.980 that's extraordinary I've hung out with Meta like uh several times since this happened and

01:41:40.700 and and Meta does not hype this up at all at all he's like as modest as can be about this uh

01:41:48.380 he's a really humble guy which is one of the things I respect about him I I showed up I'd

01:41:54.400 already done um some disaster recovery after hurricane michael down here so i had a little

01:42:01.000 bit of experience in certs and i kind of knew what i was getting into but i'd never been anything in

01:42:05.420 the scope and scale of something like this before they'll probably be writing manuals about this one

01:42:11.080 for years and we're just out there with bow fangs trying to talk to locals and and uh get up with

01:42:17.900 people who have supplies and help people that are hurt or hungry um we we joked about it because

01:42:24.300 that was the first time meta and i had met in real life and he is the the logistics guy and he called

01:42:31.540 me more of like the uh action chad guy so we had very different perspectives on how to handle the

01:42:37.460 situation but i think we uh we found balance in the middle and appreciated what each of us brought

01:42:44.640 to the table but yeah he did a lot of hard work out there i'm pretty sure that they'll probably

01:42:49.300 put a statue of him up on top of that mountain uh what so so you're doing all this what is the

01:42:57.580 scale of the area you're working like how many guys you have covering how much

01:43:02.120 so we're working with a lot of different partner organizations where we just gotta everyone

01:43:08.140 put aside their petty differences to work together for a common good so we set up um a tack and a lot

01:43:16.820 of uh navigations and communications we had signal chats and we work with christian rangers

01:43:25.800 old glory club uh red truck men uh there's a few patriot front guys out there a whole bunch of

01:43:34.640 local groups too some of them based some of them not some of them liberal some of them hippies

01:43:39.200 but we all just put all that bullshit aside to work together to help these people out

01:43:43.660 and we were covering an area that extended from just north of the south carolina border 0.84

01:43:51.200 to all the way up past erwin tennessee so i want to say it was like seven or eight counties

01:43:58.520 affected that we were dealing with so i am looking up irwin tennessee uh

01:44:05.940 right now and i'm going to measure up this area and is there like an unusual

01:44:15.700 shape to the range you'll hear so irwin tennessee uh to

01:44:21.320 just up to the north carolina border or the south carolina border you said

01:44:28.520 South Carolina. So the affected region was all the way down southeast of Asheville. Chimney Rock, Bat Cave, all those areas.

01:44:39.260 So this is about 100 kilometers by maybe another 100 kilometers square?

01:44:56.920 or uh well then it extends west all the way into eastern tennessee on the west end of the state

01:45:05.420 and then it extended east um as far as spruce pine and elk park so it's a pretty widely affected

01:45:13.440 region yeah i'm looking at the okay just like oh and you're dealing with uh all the all the

01:45:22.960 train in here that this is like uh this is like right along the spine of the uh Appalachian

01:45:28.780 Mountains I am some of those areas in the early days you're having to get up there either by mule

01:45:36.520 or you're having to hack in front of you the debris with a chainsaw so that you can meet the

01:45:42.240 fire department in the middle while they're hacking through the down freeze at the same time

01:45:46.420 it was uh i've never seen anything like i've been to war i've been overseas i've seen a lot

01:45:53.920 of gnarly stuff over there but i've never seen a destruction to this level before in my life

01:45:59.280 it was something well i'm looking at the geography like the topography the topographic map of it

01:46:04.940 right now and it looks like it looks like afghanistan like it looks like uh like kind of

01:46:11.860 central afghanistan in the like winding maize mountains uh obviously hilly obviously uh

01:46:20.480 forested as opposed to desert but but exactly that like type of topography of just like these

01:46:27.420 these vast networks of like rolling mountains and like blind blind valleys and

01:46:34.540 and like if you just look at on a map you can see exactly why there are mudslides and why uh

01:46:41.860 why like flash flooding

01:46:44.340 happens

01:46:45.620 like across this

01:46:48.360 wide expanse of area

01:46:49.740 because you have like

01:46:51.760 a lot of those

01:46:52.420 little valleys that you're seeing

01:46:55.400 they actually channelized a lot of the flood

01:46:57.460 waters and one of the

01:46:58.980 dams actually gave out

01:47:01.340 which then

01:47:03.400 poured down

01:47:05.300 those valleys with mountains on either side

01:47:07.600 and

01:47:08.280 at times you had the river

01:47:11.520 moving over 100 miles per hour with billions and billions of gallons of water being displaced

01:47:18.120 over a period of minutes or a few hours. So you had folks that were swept out around Burnsville

01:47:26.100 that they found them as far away as south of Swannanoa. You had people that were swept out

01:47:32.560 in Green Mountain that were found past Elk Park, Tennessee. Right there's the split off where

01:47:39.500 some of the rivers run north to south and some of them run south to north all the way into tennessee

01:47:45.620 wow no and like uh if you're to listeners if you're from a like a flat area or like

01:47:58.060 haven't really like been around mountains in your life not that i'm like some mountaineer expert but

01:48:05.380 like the way the way land and like human development happens in like rural areas around

01:48:12.180 mountains is people largely build in the valleys like uh you have to obviously you want to build

01:48:21.800 up from from the rivers and stuff that run in the center of the valleys but uh as a rule like

01:48:27.820 all human development in mountains like with with some notable exception happens in the valleys

01:48:35.240 because that that's where it's flattest that's where you can like get a like roadway through

01:48:40.360 that's where you can like access access land to like build a house and like have access to the

01:48:47.240 rest of civilization so for all that to turn on you immediately is like horrifying

01:48:55.340 we like to not to uh downplay the the death and destruction or keeping it by any means but when

01:49:04.720 we first got there we were looking at each other in awe of the raw power of water and of nature 0.97

01:49:11.980 and we joked and said you know the the spirits of the ancestors were tired of all the shit libs 0.99

01:49:18.880 in western north carolina so the mountains got pissed off and said no more fucking airbnbs 0.97

01:49:23.880 yeah no it's like it is just this extraordinary force of nature i i toured uh johnstown pennsylvania 0.91

01:49:37.460 uh several years back which was uh the site of like one of the worst single day loss of life

01:49:45.960 uh outside of war in american history before uh 9-11 although that kind of counts as war

01:49:52.000 which was like a town of 2000 was swept away it when uh a dam burst

01:49:59.400 first in like the 20s or 30s 30s that like uh this is

01:50:06.660 this is like one of those horrifying forces of nature and and you guys are out there in the

01:50:15.160 It sounds like the worst possible train to try and mount a, like, search and rescue or a relief effort.

01:50:23.180 When we first got there, the EOC and FEMA and the Army didn't have any contact with the people in areas like Batcave and Chimney Rock.

01:50:35.580 so we actually my guys myself and a few guys that met me up there we would go out and scout

01:50:43.780 and try to find the chief of the fire department and assess the situation on the ground and try

01:50:49.920 to help whoever needed it the most and then try to get them in contact with the EOC and the army

01:50:55.660 so that we could get more help to come in so we were kind of going in with four wheelers and when

01:51:03.240 the locals would have a checkpoint where they'd had the road blocked off to keep looters out

01:51:08.000 we would just blow past them on four-wheelers and dare them to do this or we would hike around them

01:51:13.860 and what we'd do is we'd try to find people on facebook groups in the local area that had

01:51:19.540 someone missing and we'd screenshot the conversation with their relative and then we'd try to find that

01:51:25.460 person once we snuck into the area and be like hey here's who sent us here's some supplies

01:51:30.520 vouch for us to the fire department so we don't get shot

01:51:34.180 and let us know what you need so we can go talk to the army for you

01:51:38.620 because a lot of these people were cut off completely you'd have to hike

01:51:42.740 for miles and miles to get to them because the roads were gone

01:51:46.160 extraordinary and you're staging all this

01:51:52.260 with uh you said signal atac

01:51:55.660 Baofeng Radio's

01:51:59.700 Starlink?

01:52:02.620 So, later down the road, Infowars

01:52:05.960 interviewed me and a bunch of news and media, and then I ended up

01:52:09.960 getting Starlinks sent to me.

01:52:13.800 Some big NGO

01:52:15.600 sent us a bunch of the little mini Starlinks. But when we were first there,

01:52:19.620 we were just there with Baofengs, and we were just kind of roughing it. 1.00

01:52:23.200 We had just a couple of our own personal vehicles. 1.00

01:52:28.560 Locals helped provide a four-wheeler.

01:52:31.540 And we would go into the areas that were hardest hit that didn't already have FEMA and everybody there already.

01:52:38.720 We didn't want to get in anyone else's way.

01:52:40.880 We didn't want to be a liability.

01:52:42.700 So we tried to go where the need was greatest and where people weren't already getting help.

01:52:47.800 So a lot of the areas were cut off around Batcave.

01:52:51.100 we focused on and in the, in the haulers outside of Burnsville.

01:53:00.740 All right. And, well, what's the range on like a,

01:53:06.360 what's the range on a Baofeng in the mountains? Because like, this is already like.

01:53:14.100 we uh we had a few of the basic ones then i had a few of the really fancy ones you know the green

01:53:21.460 one has the extended range and we uh at one point we even had a repeater that someone sent out to us

01:53:27.300 uh it's definitely affected by terrain so if you're up in the mountains it's anywhere from

01:53:34.180 a half mile to a couple miles depending on if you can bounce the signal around or over

01:53:39.300 if you're in a flatter terrain you're going to get a few miles

01:53:44.920 but in a lot of areas we were in we had a mountain on either side of us

01:53:48.920 so you're probably only going to get good signal for about maybe a mile

01:53:55.260 all right so you you guys are having to like daisy chain

01:54:01.320 messages if you want to send it send it all the way back

01:54:05.340 We had human retrans towers where we'd have a guy go out with a spare radio and he would go climb up on top of a mountain halfway between us and the next group and he would bounce messages back and forth on different nets.

01:54:21.500 All right. And you said you're using ATAC. I assume you're having to like plot that out or like Bluetooth it to each other before you stage out that like...

01:54:35.340 Obviously, you aren't getting cell signal to dynamically update,

01:54:41.480 or you aren't operating like a mesh-tastic or something to...

01:54:45.320 We had some mesh-tastics, and I had a wearable Garmin.

01:54:50.520 And then when we had the mini Starlink, we would use that.

01:54:54.400 So we were using a whole bunch of different stuff.

01:54:56.180 We were using Cal Topo, Star Topo.

01:55:00.980 We were using ATAC.

01:55:02.180 um you'd get new people that would show up to help and you'd kind of gauge what their

01:55:07.400 operational abilities were and then you would communicate with them however they were most

01:55:12.120 effective based on their resources we were working with probably about 20 or 30 different groups at

01:55:19.040 one point up there and we were trying to um centralize communication with all these different 0.92

01:55:25.480 people that use different comm systems it was the logistical fucking nightmare 0.77

01:55:29.980 i i can imagine and uh i i've been following s2 underground's commentary on this i'm not sure 0.88

01:55:40.780 if he's someone you would have bumped into or not out there oh yeah i know i know yeah and i'm an

01:55:47.800 infantry guy so i'm not a comms guy i was having to learn how to program everyone's weird off-brand

01:55:54.200 radios on the fly we had a couple of guys from bragg that were od aids and they took some time

01:56:01.560 off to help out they were great guys and we're working with them and we're working with a bunch

01:56:06.560 of random pedestrians we're working with law enforcement fire departments fema uh national

01:56:14.020 guard big army and all these security groups and then our guys uh pacific northwest gorilla was

01:56:21.580 out there doing a lot of great stuff too and everyone had different comms everyone had a

01:56:27.120 different background um a couple of the guys like melon from old glory club came out and uh a few

01:56:34.780 other guys from ogc that were great they set up their little headquarters there and these were

01:56:40.500 all you know like airport intel and cyber security guys and i'm just uh you know a grunt so we just

01:56:48.980 kind of leaned into each other's

01:56:51.220 strengths and came together.

01:56:54.020 That is

01:56:55.100 extraordinary.

01:56:58.040 This is one of those

01:56:59.080 things where if there

01:57:00.960 was someone at, like, FEMA

01:57:02.800 or, like, in the Biden administration just

01:57:05.000 spitefully saying, no, we aren't going to

01:57:06.960 help these people, because 0.98

01:57:08.720 screw them, you know, 0.99

01:57:11.040 this helps us anyway, like 1.00

01:57:12.940 getting the rubes out of

01:57:15.080 North Carolina or whatnot.

01:57:16.640 Like, you know, the most malicious

01:57:18.780 conspiracy theory you can imagine uh like they made the biggest mistake in the world by like

01:57:25.560 not just doing their job because like this is probably the greatest like test case under like

01:57:31.940 some of the harshest conditions and like some of the hardest like logistical challenge of

01:57:38.780 communications that now we have a test case for for all these disparate like uh organizations

01:57:46.440 and volunteer

01:57:47.660 forces and

01:57:49.820 different

01:57:50.760 groups and units

01:57:53.640 all coordinating

01:57:56.520 comms

01:57:58.760 and ATAC and Mesh-tastic

01:58:00.520 and Starlink

01:58:02.640 and all the

01:58:03.200 You know how everyone 0.99

01:58:06.020 spirals and there's all the fucking 0.99

01:58:08.260 e-drama on here and 1.00

01:58:10.240 all the

01:58:12.160 different groups that have their

01:58:14.260 different ideals and beliefs 0.99

01:58:15.520 but when we were there for those few months we all put that shit aside to work together uh pagan 0.99

01:58:22.500 christian orthodox trad cath libertarian fascist it didn't fucking matter we were just there to 0.98

01:58:28.960 help people right and that stuck with me i've always been one of the guys trying to end the 0.94

01:58:35.100 brother wars on my humble little corner of the interwebs but that really stuck with me on the 0.96

01:58:39.740 backside of that is when uh when something like that happens there's no time for that bullshit 0.96

01:58:48.580 you put it aside you get the mission completed and you worry about your petty differences later

01:58:53.040 and i think a lot of people came together that probably wouldn't have liked each other until

01:58:57.940 they had to go through that together and uh it was great to see it was great to see what we were

01:59:03.240 capable of i do think that it radicalized a lot of locals there you know we're giving out

01:59:09.280 white boy summer apparel to these hippies they're sitting there smoking weed in front of the

01:59:15.260 the national guard and we're giving them based apparel and stuff from dissident soaps and they 0.62

01:59:21.280 have no clue what it is um so they're wearing like white boy summer shirts and sunglasses that 0.99

01:59:27.680 we gave them while they're talking to the governor and calling him an asshole and they saw who came 0.97

01:59:34.980 to help them and they're not going to forget that you know the guardian did that big hit piece on 0.99

01:59:40.160 white nationalists coming to help people after the hurricane and it was laughable you know they

01:59:45.540 targeted patriot front and there's a lot of patriot front guys out there helping and i can't speak to

01:59:52.560 the leadership you know rousseau but the rank and file was just regular guys like us you know

01:59:58.580 regular people like me out there putting in work and everyone came together and everyone there that

02:00:06.080 lives there will remember who came to help you know the liberals in ash will probably 0.95

02:00:10.440 still be just as dumb as they were before but a lot of the folks out there in the more rural areas 0.91

02:00:16.760 that were hit the hardest they are even more radicalized against the government than they were 0.98

02:00:22.620 before no uh and this is where drawing a full circle around paul was fundamentally right that

02:00:32.580 at the moment of crisis it it isn't like uh it isn't ideologies or like different identity groups

02:00:41.440 it's uh it's you versus the government really yeah we worked with a few liberals and we ended

02:00:50.120 up saving uh 15 illegals that uh all their houses got swept away and they're freezing to death

02:00:57.660 in the middle of winter no sleeping bag no coats kids you know and this liberal charity group uh

02:01:05.880 out of astville the lady running it super far left boomer hippie whatever he was providing

02:01:13.320 resources to go help people in the area so i spoke enough spanish thanks to being stationed 1.00

02:01:18.160 in california and i could talk to these people they'd been looted twice by some local blacks

02:01:24.640 after losing everything and they were terrified so i made the joke to the lady you know i was like 0.98

02:01:30.700 well we'll worry about deporting them later but i'll stop them from freezing to death for now

02:01:34.780 and uh later down the road she had some choice comments you know a few months later on twitter 0.97

02:01:40.860 about me because uh but at the time she didn't give a shit you know i could have been hitler 0.74

02:01:46.520 at the time and she wouldn't have cared as long as i was out there to help so it was interesting

02:01:51.440 seeing the politics sort of melt away as far as the local population and i'm sure they went back

02:01:58.240 to all the bickering afterwards but at least for the time i was there for the most part politics

02:02:03.760 just didn't matter because the outside world didn't exist to us while we were there we didn't

02:02:09.180 have tv most areas didn't have self-service or power or internet so we forgot what was going on

02:02:15.100 And I forgot there was a presidential election for at least a few weeks.

02:02:18.940 And then someone told me Trump won.

02:02:21.480 We didn't have time for that.

02:02:23.540 That lesson is part of why Mehta and I both, and hopefully a lot of other folks, feel the same way.

02:02:30.940 I know Clay Martin does.

02:02:33.700 We're trying to end all the brother wars and the purity spiraling.

02:02:37.280 We're never going to be able to hurt all the cats and get everyone to get along.

02:02:40.780 But all the petty drama on Twitter and everywhere else is just a waste of everyone's time.

02:02:48.600 You know, there's a war on the horizon.

02:02:50.160 Do you want to make more enemies to fight or do you want to have more allies?

02:02:54.620 Exactly.

02:02:56.160 So what is the state of like North Carolina, eastern Tennessee now?

02:03:03.280 Uh, I, I remember following, following this and there was, according to some people, dramatic change when, when Trump came in. But, uh, like, uh, it, like, are they still rebuilding? Uh, are there still relief efforts ongoing? Uh, what's kind of the story there?

02:03:26.420 The mid-to-long range kind of fascinates me on this stuff, because everyone wants to hear about the disaster, but what's the process of rebuilding like?

02:03:46.680 So the sit-rep on the ground there, everyone's got power. Most areas have clean water. Nobody's going to freeze to death, obviously, now.

02:03:56.880 It's going to take years, probably like five years to rebuild, honestly.

02:04:01.140 It's going to take a long time.

02:04:02.560 We were working with a few construction companies at the end out of Raleigh

02:04:06.220 that were going to try to use some grant funding to start rebuilding people's homes.

02:04:11.120 A lot of those people either didn't have home insurance that covered flooding,

02:04:15.760 that flooding doesn't happen there in a way that is anything like what this was.

02:04:21.760 It was unforeseen.

02:04:22.880 a lot of people aren't going to get any reimbursement even from home insurance so

02:04:28.740 they're just asked out um without churches and charity groups they're just going to be

02:04:37.380 on their own living out of a motel until they get back on their own feet and all the property

02:04:42.780 they inherited from seven generations ago is now either completely destroyed and unusable

02:04:47.700 or they're going to have to sell it because the uh the government rezoned the flood zone and now

02:04:56.200 they won't be able to rebuild there or there's a river running through where their house used

02:04:59.700 to be now because it changed the entire topography of the rivers um there's a lot more resources now

02:05:07.680 thanks to trump i think i want to say like two weeks after he took office he flooded the area

02:05:12.960 with as much resources as he could but now it's just uh rebuilding both the economy and everyone's

02:05:19.960 homes and that's going to take a long time uh a lot of bridges still haven't been built so there's

02:05:25.860 some communities they're still having to use four-wheelers to get to town so it's going to

02:05:30.460 take a long time and the budget is not good i got to see uh where the budgets were at by sitting in

02:05:36.580 a lot of these county meetings they would bring a lot of the bigger volunteer groups in along with

02:05:42.220 the government and fema and we would sit down and try to work together and help each other out and

02:05:47.700 the money was already evaporated so i don't know what the long term is going to look like but it's

02:05:54.200 probably going to be five years out i was just there for the front site post you know anything

02:06:00.420 that i could do to keep people from dying or

02:06:03.720 being having their loved ones still missing and no one looking for them that's the stuff that i

02:06:11.560 was focused on there's still some of our guys out there from otc that i know of they're helping

02:06:16.520 that are trying to stick it out for the long term but i'm not going to move to north carolina for

02:06:21.560 five years to fix it you know at some point they're going to have to start helping themselves 0.98

02:06:25.980 out and figuring it out but i think uh it was a good stress test and a good shit test of guys 0.79

02:06:35.880 on the right that talk a big game on the internet to see what can we do in real life and i think

02:06:40.500 I hope that myself and the other guys out there, I hope that we inspired some of you guys and that we lived up to your expectations.

02:06:48.620 No, this is, this is extra, this has been, like, extraordinary, just the, like, this is probably the, the hardest, like, relief effort you could imagine.

02:07:02.220 Like, if you compare it to something like Katrina, Katrina, as far as I know, a good chunk of, like, the cell repeaters were, like, still functional.

02:07:14.520 Because, like, an urban area, you know, if you take, like, six or seven cell repeaters, there's still, like, or even half of them, there's still a good chunk of the city that's still covered by cell coverage.

02:07:26.000 Whereas you're going into areas that, like, I imagine still large sections of it, like, require you to mess with radio and, like, all this, like, hard, hard logistical stuff that is, like, no one really thinks about or is, or, like, only the most advanced preppers imagine they'll have to use because they're paranoid about, like, oh, companies will shut down the cell system or, you know,

02:07:56.000 the government will nuke the internet

02:07:58.820 in a large enough crisis.

02:08:01.640 But you're out there.

02:08:04.100 There's some areas out there

02:08:05.380 that even before the hurricane

02:08:07.180 didn't have cell phone service

02:08:09.140 and didn't have internet.

02:08:12.220 They may have had dial-up at best,

02:08:14.340 but they didn't have cell phone service.

02:08:15.940 They didn't have cable or anything like that.

02:08:18.260 And a lot of the towers got taken down

02:08:20.420 by the floodwaters,

02:08:21.420 even up in the mountains.

02:08:23.360 So I know some parts of Burnsville,

02:08:25.680 So even in like December, still didn't have cell service.

02:08:31.120 So a lot of the more remote areas in Tennessee and down southeast of Asheville still didn't have cell phone service for a long time.

02:08:40.220 This is like maybe one of the hardest environments that would still have a population that you can imagine having to do this kind of relief effort, having to do an operation this size.

02:08:54.800 And seeing, having followed you guys, like going through this dynamically as it was happening, having been in the group chats, like seeing you guys solve these problems as I was commentating the election.

02:09:13.820 And I did not participate, but did try to connect a lot of my guys to donate.

02:09:24.960 This has been one of the most impressive, dynamic things I've seen from our guys in probably ever.

02:09:38.980 It was a huge white pill.

02:09:41.440 like going in i was expecting everyone to argue everyone want to do it their own way everyone

02:09:48.900 to want to be a chief nobody wants to be brave and that's not what happened and i'm not going

02:09:53.680 to say we didn't have our little disagreements here and there but we kept them in private

02:09:56.340 and we were out in public around the locals we uh we made sure that they knew we were just there

02:10:04.940 to help we're not there to cause more problems and argue in front of you and what you're dealing

02:10:09.900 with is something we can't even imagine so we kept it all in-house we all worked together really

02:10:15.720 well there's a huge light bill coming out of that it also gave me a lot of uh perspective

02:10:22.360 on what's coming down the pipeline in the future if things continue on their current course you

02:10:30.760 know if we have an economic collapse or or some sort of loss of law and order i got a

02:10:37.500 firsthand taste of what that's like uh seeing people that are literally starving to death and

02:10:43.000 how desperate they are and what they're willing to do in a situation like that will really wake

02:10:47.080 you up yeah if you're the kind of person who who repeats the phrase complex systems won't survive

02:10:55.160 the confidence crisis well this it we we've had a vision of like a deep confidence crisis where

02:11:02.240 the state the federal government uh in many areas uh segments or entire parts of local government

02:11:10.380 just like cease to function function in all the systems of like but communications electricity

02:11:19.000 food food like normal relief normal uh police and emergency services just just failed like 0.93

02:11:29.220 This is the case study of what the self-Africanization of America would look like. 0.99

02:11:38.660 A hundred percent. 0.93

02:11:40.620 A lot of those areas, the volunteer fire chief became the mayor temporarily for weeks, some of them for months.

02:11:50.040 There was, there's no ambulance, there's no law enforcement.

02:11:54.640 The locals are running armed checkpoints to keep looters out.

02:11:59.220 There's no water, there's no stores around, there's no power, there's no cell service, nothing.

02:12:06.140 And it was funny, we joked that it takes something like this happening,

02:12:10.800 the power of being out for a long time for a lot of people to meet their neighbors.

02:12:14.820 But in the more remote areas, they all knew each other.

02:12:17.220 And those areas were the hardest hit, but they were also the most resourceful and resilient folks out there.

02:12:23.180 We had people

02:12:25.040 That would try to pay us some moonshine

02:12:27.800 For bringing them MREs 1.00

02:12:29.220 From FEMA

02:12:30.460 It was wild 1.00

02:12:31.880 We had one old lady on the side of a damn mountain 1.00

02:12:34.800 And I'll never forget 0.98

02:12:35.880 Me and Tony and Doug

02:12:38.700 Were climbing the side of this mountain

02:12:41.080 For two hours to get to this old lady 0.91

02:12:43.080 That everyone was worried about 0.86

02:12:44.180 And we're carrying this huge generator

02:12:47.140 And a bunch of food

02:12:50.120 And we get up there

02:12:51.820 And she's like 90 years old. 1.00

02:12:54.600 Brails can be, but still had her wits.

02:12:57.460 And she's like, I'm fine, sweetheart.

02:12:59.380 I got my garden.

02:13:00.400 And you hear them boys down there on their ATVs?

02:13:03.920 They're into that meth, but they sure do take care of me.

02:13:09.200 So these two teenagers had stolen four-wheelers from one of the farmers.

02:13:15.660 And yeah, they were tweakers, but they stole the four-wheelers

02:13:19.700 so they could run food to keep this old lady alive 1.00

02:13:22.480 for God knows how many weeks, you know? 1.00

02:13:25.640 That's extraordinary.

02:13:29.300 This is where I want to heavy you on,

02:13:34.000 not just for the Hurricane Helene release stuff,

02:13:36.800 not just for the military stuff,

02:13:38.120 but, like, your life is a series of, like,

02:13:42.940 American Gothic or neo-noir or, like,

02:13:46.440 or like

02:13:49.120 post-apocalyptic punk stories

02:13:51.920 that you have this

02:13:53.220 this extraordinary

02:13:55.920 experience with like

02:13:57.540 with like

02:13:59.600 kind of

02:14:01.580 kind of Homeric

02:14:04.140 noir America

02:14:05.320 but like

02:14:06.600 also you have this

02:14:08.920 extraordinary way of

02:14:11.320 of pulling out

02:14:13.820 these stories that

02:14:15.440 a lot of people, this stuff could happen to

02:14:17.740 and they wouldn't

02:14:18.360 think that that's a story that they

02:14:21.180 could tell or attach the right

02:14:23.600 details to it.

02:14:27.400 And you're

02:14:29.540 working on

02:14:31.500 a narrative and

02:14:33.240 fictional products now, aren't you?

02:14:37.520 Yeah, I've been

02:14:38.980 blessed with an interesting life and

02:14:41.400 I learned how to

02:14:43.460 write while I was overseas journaling, and I've just gotten better at it over time.

02:14:50.800 I've been blessed with a lot of good mentors as well when it comes to the writing side.

02:14:55.580 I'm working with a lot of guys right now. We're putting together a project.

02:15:01.060 Clay Martin has always been a guy that I've looked up to and been influenced a lot by.

02:15:05.400 Mike Ma, obviously, as well. We're putting an indie lit mag together for our guys.

02:15:13.460 and rambo van halen myself uh dan baltic a lot of folks are on board with it and the plan is to

02:15:21.820 make it a print magazine as well not just a sub stack with a bunch of writers that you know

02:15:26.180 but the plan is to have a quarterly print magazine like back in the old days some of the older guys

02:15:33.320 back in the 90s you probably remember that underground counterculture writers would put

02:15:38.600 together to these little beings that you had to actually sign up for by sending a check through

02:15:43.900 the mail like you were etching it into stone you know and every three months it would come out if

02:15:49.040 you were into some obscure hobby box before the internet became prevalent this was the way that

02:15:55.280 you had to communicate with other people you know you didn't have the the endless niche communities

02:16:01.960 that you now have on the internet so we thought we'd do something different instead of just having

02:16:07.120 it be a substack and we'll build into a quarterly print magazine try to put something special

02:16:13.780 together for everyone have some uh some artists in it as well instead of just stories uh hopefully

02:16:20.720 skinless frank and a few other folks that you guys are familiar with maybe some uh some vintage

02:16:26.620 classy tasteful full frontals you know some uh cindy crawford and uh and whatnot in between the

02:16:35.960 stories, but it's mostly going to be dystopian fiction because one thing I've learned over the

02:16:41.360 course of my life, you can never argue someone into believing the same thing you do. You're not

02:16:46.980 going to reach the people on the other side of the aisle by debating them. Debates are for people in

02:16:53.240 the same political spectrum that just disagree on the means to get to where you want to go.

02:16:58.380 You know, they're between people that respect each other. You're not going to win any hearts

02:17:02.000 and minds by debating the opposition that hates you um but you can reach a lot of people through

02:17:07.640 stories uh humankind has been teaching each other for thousands of years through stories

02:17:15.500 and if a debate has to have a loser nobody wants to lose right but there's never been a story

02:17:21.660 written where the reader was the villain so you're going to reach a lot more people by

02:17:26.280 communicating your philosophies and your goals through a story than you're going to do by going

02:17:32.060 onto these spaces and arguing with someone and screaming for an hour. It's good entertainment

02:17:38.840 for cheap clicks, but it doesn't actually achieve anything. We're hoping that we can put a lot of

02:17:43.260 great stories and content together for everyone and kind of highlight the talent in our corner

02:17:49.560 of the internet. We haven't figured out the name for it yet, but we got a lot of folks on board

02:17:55.600 with it some of them you'll recognize some of them are new they're all great writers and that'll be

02:18:02.000 happening this month so if you want to be included as a writer we're doing open submissions just

02:18:08.820 follow me on twitter and i'll keep you all on the loop on it we do a weekly space every wednesday

02:18:13.660 night at like seven central where we bring people on discuss what they're writing a lot of the stuff

02:18:19.260 that i'm writing um if you're into mike mon clay martin you'll like me i'm i'm not writing the next

02:18:27.720 bronze age mindset that's not who i am but uh working on a book called american visigoth that

02:18:34.720 is about essentially america has roamed during the collapse and the main character being given

02:18:44.640 the choice between polishing the marble while the gate guards are drunk or stripping the copper out

02:18:51.840 of the walls and selling the furniture and grabbing a torch that's a little bit of a

02:18:57.520 fight club mixed with gothic violence but we've got a lot of exciting projects coming out from a

02:19:03.680 lot of other writers hopefully we can get some feedback from y'all let us know what we're doing

02:19:08.080 right what we're doing wrong put out some good books for you and some good stories i think

02:19:13.280 stories are important and when we're in these these times right now where everything seems

02:19:21.200 so close to the brink you know war with iran and the war in ukraine and all the the drama and

02:19:28.120 politics going on right now stories can inspire us and hopefully produce some change that will

02:19:35.100 ripple across the entire culture not just in the online right i think that we can inspire a lot

02:19:43.100 of people outside of our circles and the way to do that is not by arguing with them but we can

02:19:49.140 reach them by telling a good story all right i i feel called out personally that i i need to write

02:19:57.780 more and spend less time arguing on the internet but uh hey you start writing more i will i will

02:20:05.120 i will publish it in the magazine but um i'm more talking about you see like jordan peterson and 0.87

02:20:12.320 these normies doing these stupid debates on jubilee that are just uh they're farming 0.83

02:20:19.500 engagement by having people that are never going to see eye to eye just screaming at each other 0.99

02:20:24.500 and i think it's a way like i can sit down with stone choir and we can have these deep talks in

02:20:33.640 the dms about faith and never have it be an argument um and we're on opposite ends of the

02:20:40.720 spectrum so we can talk about frith and the eddas and he can teach me more about christianity and

02:20:49.360 the bible and different aspects of the faith and we do that all the time and we never disrespect

02:20:55.760 each other or throw stones but when you see public debates it just turns into a shouting match and i

02:21:02.860 just feel like that's counterproductive no i i feel you i i'm really excited that you guys are

02:21:09.960 committing to like create an object that uh it will be a physical magazine and not just uh

02:21:18.420 uh subs sub stack this is something that also that i need to do and i feel personally called

02:21:25.360 out out by that uh that uh this is something i'm like nagging myself to do and like have not gone

02:21:32.920 gone around to that i have like tons of things that be wonderful objects and things that people

02:21:38.420 said oh i would buy this from you you that uh i i feel like maybe maybe this is a friendly

02:21:46.360 challenge it's not an insult i feel like um we've had plenty of sub stacks and as much as i love them

02:21:52.880 and i have one i feel like it's a certain point you gotta start taking yourself and your audience

02:21:58.720 more seriously and if you have a whole bunch of folks invested in you then why settle for just

02:22:06.700 having something digital when you can give them something more than nobody else's. I think

02:22:10.820 anything less than something real at a certain point becomes a grift. So I feel like they deserve

02:22:19.380 more than what they're getting from a lot of what's out there. And I'd like to give them

02:22:24.800 something better, a better bang for their buck, something that you can feel with your hands.

02:22:29.400 and it's it's uh me as a writer the way that i like to read is i would rather have a book

02:22:37.480 that i can smell the paper and feel the texture on my hands reading on a kindle is such a passive

02:22:43.520 activity you know so i'm hoping that we can bring something out that'll be real and tangible

02:22:50.100 that isn't the same doomer swap being put on sub stack there what else is putting out there

02:22:56.960 and hopefully we can get a lot of people

02:22:59.600 that nobody's heard of yet

02:23:01.000 we can get some fresh faces in there

02:23:03.260 I don't want to be the one doing all the writing

02:23:05.560 and the talking, I get tired of hearing myself

02:23:07.860 this is exactly the case

02:23:12.340 you need something that you can read

02:23:15.060 when you're off wifi at the beach

02:23:18.420 that you can't have

02:23:23.060 an actual proper reading experience

02:23:25.620 if it's entirely digital, which, again, I'm completely guilty of.

02:23:32.100 I'm maybe the most guilty of this.

02:23:35.020 But no, this has been extraordinary.

02:23:39.420 We're coming up on two and a half hours now.

02:23:43.740 Now, were there any other points you wanted to get to?

02:23:49.680 I think that's about it.

02:23:51.300 I don't want to ramble on and put everyone to sleep here.

02:23:55.620 I'm going to try to package a lot of these stories into long-form stories on Substack that will hopefully be written far better than they're spoken.

02:24:06.480 I was never a podcasting and radio type guy, so this is all new stuff to me.

02:24:12.080 So for those of you out there, thank you for having patience as I ramble on here and try to figure out how to speak half as well as I can write.

02:24:20.980 No, this has been extraordinary.

02:24:23.320 Sorry. Like any one of these stories or chapters of your life couldn't themselves be a book.

02:24:34.080 The Hurricane Helene case study in particular, someone has to write the deep dive action after action report,

02:24:44.400 the the full campaign analysis of uh that relief effort and the uh all the factions that turned

02:24:52.920 out and all all the things that were going on because that is every time i hear about i hear

02:24:59.320 about something something new that's like extraordinary and like it is really cutting

02:25:06.500 edge in the preffer and like relief space and like uh even a lot of like conventional military

02:25:13.020 sense like uh like uh i'm not sure how many uh how many soldiers who deployed actually have the

02:25:22.260 experience of like having to coordinate with the with like 10 different groups who all have like

02:25:28.040 different comm systems and and have to get them all like cohering and working together like that's

02:25:35.740 an incredibly unique like cutting edge

02:25:38.100 skill set

02:25:40.040 and problem that

02:25:41.480 you guys like

02:25:43.880 might have set the world standard

02:25:46.120 I'm trying to

02:25:50.500 it was definitely

02:25:51.780 humbling and an honor

02:25:54.120 to be in

02:25:56.140 that specific seat

02:25:58.020 in that moment with all that going

02:26:00.040 down we learned a lot it's

02:26:01.960 you know I met a lot

02:26:04.020 of GWAC guys out there and one of the things that we learned repeatedly is that nothing that we did

02:26:11.080 in Iraq or Afghanistan could have prepared us for this and we all had different backgrounds we all

02:26:17.040 spoke different jargon we all had different uh training and ethos and culture and we had to

02:26:23.280 learn how to blend all that together and still be effective and we had to learn how to work with

02:26:29.600 law enforcement and fema and all these different groups who operate entirely different and use 0.65

02:26:37.200 different language and we didn't have the uh the gift of time with which to do it so we just had

02:26:44.820 to make it work you know failure wasn't an option and a lot of guys rose to the occasion i was really

02:26:51.660 proud of the guys that went out there so i hope that that's um an accurate reflection of a lot

02:26:59.840 of the folks on the internet but i know that all the people that showed up boots on the ground out

02:27:04.360 there really made me proud no i i've been blown away by it and i've been blown away by uh

02:27:12.560 almost none of these guys have like bragged or like shared stories about

02:27:19.540 about it it's been like pulling teeth to actually figure out uh uh all these things they did or

02:27:26.300 like you have to speak to someone else who knows them to like hear what they they did out there

02:27:32.080 that it went from them being group chats talking about it and like starting to coordinate it to

02:27:38.840 like uh to like them being incredibly humble about it and it's been like shocking slowly

02:27:47.040 unraveling

02:27:48.020 all these things

02:27:50.540 things these guys did out there

02:27:52.780 it's been

02:27:55.740 very extraordinary and like I said

02:27:58.520 that campaign

02:28:00.600 review that campaign analysis

02:28:02.980 of like all these relief

02:28:04.240 efforts in this like really

02:28:06.660 impossible environment

02:28:08.100 has to be

02:28:10.960 has to be written and

02:28:12.820 has to be like laid out with

02:28:14.680 maps and like technical

02:28:16.600 analyses and like uh real detailed tracking that you'd give like a uh like a military campaign but

02:28:25.940 of course this is more extraordinary because it wasn't the centralized vision of one commander it

02:28:31.620 was this thing that it organically had to be arranged from like the virtues of the people

02:28:37.860 who showed up which uh speaks extraordinarily to the people who went out there that it was

02:28:45.560 possible to do at all and that it

02:28:48.420 worked and like

02:28:50.100 whatever malicious force

02:28:52.420 decided not to

02:28:53.940 withhold aid to these

02:28:56.340 people that like whatever they intended

02:28:58.300 whatever malicious

02:29:00.400 intent was there

02:29:01.920 didn't win in the end

02:29:04.520 evil

02:29:06.480 lost you know a lot

02:29:08.500 of people passed away

02:29:09.600 from the flood you know nature

02:29:12.420 definitely won but

02:29:14.240 Between good and evil on the backside of that, good won this time.

02:29:20.420 No, and that is, like, the most extraordinary white pill I've heard over the past, like, 10 years.

02:29:28.400 You know, forget the elections and, like, the protests and, like, the meme wars and stuff. 0.76

02:29:39.380 Some of it was very helpful in white polling.

02:29:43.820 Some of it, I think, was somewhat artificial and some of it was in between or had very cynical or was overtaken by a lot of cynical political calculations. 0.52

02:29:56.900 But this is like one of the most extraordinary white pills and all came out of the like rise of the prepper community and like the rise of just people interested in preparedness and like facing the decline of the West head on.

02:30:21.060 And that is truly extraordinary and my hat's off to all you guys.

02:30:26.900 we just did the same thing that those folks up there would do for us.

02:30:33.200 And I firmly believe that in my heart.

02:30:36.480 If the situation was reversed and that disaster happened in my backyard,

02:30:42.740 I believe that those folks would be the ones coming down here to help me.

02:30:46.720 And a lot of the same guys that went up there from as far away as Oregon and Idaho and Washington,

02:30:53.680 they would be right here in my backyard helping me.

02:30:56.900 i'm sure of it no some of the most extraordinary people i've ever heard about i i i i'm upset that

02:31:07.020 i chose to cover the election instead of dropping everything for it or didn't think that that would

02:31:14.440 be the thing that should have done that moment maybe a reflection on my on my character in some

02:31:20.500 way but uh we all have our you know i didn't know what it was going to be like when i got out there

02:31:28.740 until i was there we all have our mission and our gifts um yeah i'm not a good man but i'm trying

02:31:34.780 to be a better one is what i always tell everyone we each have our path and our skills and sometimes

02:31:41.340 uh the mission is chosen for you not the other way around so what you're doing and what a lot

02:31:48.380 of these other folks out here is doing is just as important ah fair enough fair enough i'll

02:31:53.660 try to take that to heart but uh anyway uh this has been uh my interview with danny wolf i

02:32:05.320 you can follow him uh danny wolf uh uh danny's manifesto on on twitter and danny wolf at

02:32:17.480 substack.com.

02:32:19.940 Is there anywhere else

02:32:21.420 that people should follow you?

02:32:24.360 I'm on threads

02:32:25.400 in a few other places, but

02:32:27.520 I predominantly stick to Twitter.

02:32:29.500 I don't like to be in too many places at once.

02:32:31.940 Yeah, they can just find me on X

02:32:33.280 or follow me on

02:32:35.460 Substack. I've been doing a terrible

02:32:37.380 job about writing on Substack,

02:32:39.320 but I promise I'm going to get better about

02:32:41.200 that this week and start putting out a lot

02:32:43.320 of these stories.

02:32:44.940 I'll put some stuff about my time as a bail

02:32:47.120 bondsman uh in the marine corps baleen and a lot of my fiction work too so thanks for having me on

02:32:55.240 kulak it's been great i appreciate it extraordinary yeah and i i will link all that in the the show

02:33:03.520 notes uh any closing thought uh civilized is a slur

02:33:10.400 very much so uh oh one last thing is there a place for people to pre-order uh your your magazine

02:33:22.140 that you put together we want to get the design and all the logistics done and make sure that

02:33:27.320 we have a solid product before we start putting out there so you dear listener at home there's

02:33:36.660 nowhere that you pre-order this magazine so what you have to do is you have to just go into danny's

02:33:43.140 dms and spam him i want to pre-order but uh but yes uh dm and try to get on a a list or something

02:33:53.620 check him out at uh danny wolf danny's manifesto on twitter and dannywolf.substack.com

02:34:02.100 in the show notes.

02:34:05.140 Stay glorious out there, dear listener.

02:34:07.720 Stay glorious.

02:34:09.200 And stay dangerous.

02:34:11.060 Very much so.

02:34:13.420 Anyway, now you can tell me about the top secret project.

02:34:17.900 Yeah, edit that one little part out.

02:34:20.180 Yeah, yeah, I will edit that out.

02:34:23.020 Don't worry.

02:34:23.340 Okay.

02:34:25.860 So, I taught myself how to code.

02:34:29.560 And I start.

02:34:59.560 Thank you.

02:35:29.560 Thank you.

02:35:59.560 We'll see you next time.

02:36:29.560 Thank you.

02:36:59.560 Thank you.

02:37:29.560 Thank you.

02:37:59.560 Thank you.

Anarchonomicon - June 21, 2025

Ep 13 Marines, Charlottesville, Bounty Hunting, and Helene w⧸Danny Wolf

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