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00:08:58.200Was it a false flag? Was it, was it Israeli intelligence? Was he, was it some faction in the Maga movement? The Israeli one, you might be surprised at that theory because, because Charlie Kirk was like a centrist Republican Zionist.
00:09:23.280turning point usa had always been zinus but if you had to look at charlie kirk's uh like behavior
00:09:31.120and like uh postings and appearances over the past three months uh he was positioning himself
00:09:40.360so often had several events where he was very critical of israel in the u.s relationship
00:09:44.900with israel and i didn't even really read him so much as like trying to break with
00:09:50.800with israel so much as like uh trying to arrange uh the american like center right in a position
00:10:00.780where it could like bargain more harshly with israel like uh okay if you want to do this you
00:10:06.800can't do that if you want to do this you can't do that and like like it wasn't he wasn't really
00:10:12.680setting himself up for like this huge break with israel he was more setting himself up up to uh
00:10:19.020apply pressure or demand concessions or, you know, extract a price for what has been like
00:10:30.180bottomless U.S. support. But that was like one of the most prominent theories that Charlie Kirk
00:10:37.060was taken up by Israel. And several events afterwards kind of lined up with that. Ben
00:10:43.400Ben Shapiro apparently is now in charge of Turning Point USA, like his faction has like seized power in the vacuum, which lines up with that theory.
00:10:55.240But the big, with the catch of the alleged assassin and the videos that came out of how the assassination was carried out, it doesn't quite rule out the idea that there could be like a, like an MKUltra, like glowy plot that like, oh, this was not the Patsy, but like an easily controlled plot.
00:11:25.240Like, young person who, like, delusionally bought into the, who, like, didn't realize he was being controlled by, like, DFPI or an intel agency or something.
00:11:39.760Like, so many, a dumb one, getting arrested for the stuff or wind up carrying it out.0.73
00:11:48.140They want to be influenced by outsiders they don't realize are feds.0.99
00:11:52.160But but it's looking like it's just this one individual. You guys jump in. I could ramble on and cover everything without you.
00:12:04.340Yeah. Well, you know, it is it is reminiscent of the the Trump thing with with the Thomas Matthew Crooks, because, you know, he's clearly a deranged individual of kind of a similar, you know, like online radicalization had some propensities both ways, you know, went hard left.
00:12:26.920but clearly not a professional but also clearly you know if if we just look at the surrounding
00:12:35.180evidence it i mean it sure looked like he had help you know the guy had this access and he had
00:12:42.060you know the drones and he exposed all this kind of thing and all his social media and discord and
00:12:47.960everything was scrubbed you know um that's very unusual so if to your point like you know maybe
00:12:56.380it is somebody that was controlled in this case the social media as far as we know hasn't been
00:13:00.800scrubbed and you know we have a legitimate capture and all this stuff so like maybe it isn't maybe
00:13:06.880it's just this guy but it does raise the question like you know it is possible that he had some kind
00:13:12.840of institutional help um i think as somebody pointed out it seems extremely unlikely that it's
00:13:19.160foreign institutions just because the risk reward doesn't it wouldn't really seem to be there to
00:13:24.780make any kind of sense um but you know it does make you wonder like you know did he have help or
00:13:32.880not i i wonder maybe i don't know if the glowies did this uh why what what is that to gain i don't
00:13:44.860know well you know well yeah so the theory would be that it was because like charlie kirk was um
00:13:53.800edging away from israel and like israel uh is in basically a major crisis right now like israel
00:14:04.000is you know it's not quite losing the war but this is like germany 41 42 where it's like
00:14:12.180like it still looks like you're winning but it's like you're facing enough resistance and there's
00:14:19.220enough like multi-various factors that's like if you aren't firing on all cylinders correctly like
00:14:26.520if you stall out or whatever like things could get really bad really quickly and the u.s empire
00:14:33.040itself is like kind of in like a very tight spot right now um if you look at the map of the world
00:14:41.080it's like the u.s has a has an unending crisis on its border but then now there's the standoff
00:14:48.100with venezuela which um honestly looks like that's an attempt to like save face or um or rescue the
00:14:57.180u.s from like its loss of prestige elsewhere but like you know you could bully venezuela um get
00:15:04.320some concessions from them on oil like maybe maybe have like a rollover like uh 91 when iraq if things
00:15:12.500hit really hot and then you know the u.s has re-established its prestige and dominance but
00:15:18.020if you look elsewhere on the map it's like ukraine isn't going well and the u.s is like
00:15:22.720kind of out of ammo for like the next one to two years and a lot of its core systems like you can't
00:15:28.840really allocate resources that well uh iran the nuclear facility looks like it's still basically
00:15:36.360functional um Israel Gaza like uh this is the fourth or fifth time Israel has like tried to
00:15:43.760force the Gazans out of Gaza City and like um it's very easy to get a distorted picture of Gaza
00:15:52.320because like the Israelis are trying to create an image of invincibility and the Gazans are trying
00:15:58.420to create an image of themselves as these poor victims who are just being genocided but uh if0.60
00:16:04.200you actually look at like the strategic situation on the ground like Hamas I've been talking about0.70
00:16:09.760this for like three years Hamas is like their tunnel network is one of the most extensive
00:16:15.340tunnel networks in human history and they're like guerrilla techniques and like their guerrilla
00:16:20.860craft works like they have novel weapon systems that have come over those tunnels in like the past
00:16:27.320four to six months like uh like a lot of the the late explosives that hamas is using a lot of the
00:16:36.320war the uh shape charges that they're using like have had design changes just in the past four to
00:16:42.860six months they're there they're still having like this technological progress and they're still
00:16:48.440basically the palestinian the gossians are not dying at the rate that uh israel is losing
00:16:56.880international prestige but also like a lot of state capacity relate to injuries to their own
00:17:04.280soldiers and like the internal divisions of israel between uh the draftable people and the non-draft
00:17:11.080draftable people is getting really really tense and you can see this with israeli foreign policy
00:17:16.380the recent strikes on qatar and then of course there's you can see tensions erupting all around
00:17:52.420You had like the tensions between India, Pakistan, like within the past three months, they were on the edge of like nuclear war.
00:18:02.260You have the tensions building with Taiwan.
00:18:09.800There's just all this stuff building that suggests that the U.S. empire and the U.S. world order is really kind of balanced on nice edge.
00:18:19.800You have the U.K., where Ireland, the U.K., and France are all, like, in a race to see which one of those is going to, like, topple over into, like, trouble-style, like, assassination campaigns and whatnot.
00:18:37.380And the U.S. dollar is pouncing on the edge.
00:19:11.440them i don't really get it i don't have this question i don't know how it possibly helped
00:19:16.800but so charlie kirk is like um the member of like the maga coalition uh like the core
00:19:27.180maga like movement that's most in in touch with like the young republicans
00:19:33.660and like has this massive influence like he was probably on track to be like president within the0.81
00:19:40.100next 20 years or like a senator or someone very major but he's edging towards like like breaking
00:19:50.240with Israel or like really applying pressure to Israel you know taking him out keeps the like
00:19:56.960MAGA coalition and like institutional MAGA like the mainstream like conservative Christian MAGA
00:20:04.080Like, if he was planning to break anti-Zionist or like, oh, we need to pull back from this, like, take him out, could keep that entire faction on side for Israel like another year, another year and a half compared to where it would otherwise be.
00:20:27.740Dude, so I think the absolute opposite is the case.
00:20:31.880I mean, if you look and I know Twitter is not real life, but like Twitter is at least a reflection of the politically aware, politically online section of the population, which is, you know, the ones who influence everybody else.
00:20:48.320Like, you know, if you're the political one in your group of friends, they ask you what's going on.
00:20:52.860So like that, that influences, it does influence a lot.
00:20:56.720And if you look at what's going on on Twitter, like it is not friendly to Israel.
00:21:01.460It's not, it hasn't moved in an Israeli, in a pro-Israeli direction. And, you know, in some of this is like, look, you know, the left has spent the last 70 years making Hitler and fascism a shelling point and racism a shelling point for the right.
00:21:19.960Where like they basically hit everybody over the head consistently with Hollywood and media and everything with like anything remotely right wing is racist Nazi Hitler.
00:21:30.280And so when you have this incredible like violent moment, this emotionally disruptive moment where all these normies go from Cooper's color code white to Cooper's color code black, they don't like they haven't spent a lot of time thinking about political theory.
00:21:44.600They haven't had a time to gradually become radicalized or gradually become aware of what's going on.0.65
00:21:49.320They go straight to black. And it's like, you know, I know people in my personal life that that are shaken by this that don't, you know, are not particularly political. And you see it on the timeline. And yes, the Internet's not real life, but it is some reflection of real life.0.68
00:22:06.200And it's like, look, you know, the dichotomy that has been set up for us by Hollywood and the media and by just political discourse in general is not friendly to Jews or Israel if you create a situation where it's like right or left.0.72
00:22:26.580Because they basically defined the right into a box of making Jews one of the hostile parties.0.56
00:22:36.200And so I don't see this as benefiting Israel in any way, shape, or form, ultimately.0.51
00:22:42.540I think Charlie was, like, the perfect limited hangout and the perfect gradually, like, oh, we'll gradually update our position to keep as many people as we can and prevent them from rapidly escalating to, like, the Nick Fuentes position or pass the Nick Fuentes position to maybe something a little bit more primal.
00:23:06.200so this is the thing like this is the problem with uh conspiracy theories is that
00:23:14.560controversy theories are that people are confident whereas like the as or that like
00:23:21.420there's actually like this master chess player behind it whereas like i think the most plausible
00:23:26.460conspiracy theories are miscalculation political theories so like everything you said i would
00:23:33.260allow is like true or like close to true enough that we'll link over my
00:23:38.700minor details the thing is though you that you gotta remember is that like the people who run
00:23:43.980like uh the american establishment and the israeli establishment and the american like uh
00:23:51.660kind of like communist progressive jewish establishment you know like uh like the people
00:23:57.820who hate netanyahu because he's not creating israel they like like that's a unique faction0.68
00:24:03.020that also is like its own like kind of criminal entity and today like all those people are still0.66
00:24:09.480running like mafias that date back to the commies commies like if you look at all the people in
00:24:14.720those factions so like the american deep state uh the israeli deep state the the american like
00:24:50.380but like if you listen to him speak like over time like he's very like you can see he's had
00:24:58.760cognitive decline he's had more gentle cognitive decline but like but like uh that's a that's a
00:25:04.780geopolitical factor people don't take into effect is that like netanyahu like like he was the like
00:25:12.020lord palpatine of like american israelian world politics but now he's like so old that he's almost
00:25:19.940certainly like losing it and like making mistakes and whatnot but the thing is all these like
00:25:24.260old figures like even like Alex Soros is the young one that like George Soros handed over
00:25:31.320control of his empire to and he's like he's like relatively old himself but also like he's
00:25:38.820like kind of this like screw up rich good son like uh like he's a character from succession
00:25:44.000You know, he's, he's not really like with it and attached or like really understands how the world works because he's never had like a real, the real tension in his life that comes from like not having things or, or like being at risk of actual failure.
00:25:59.420so all these people who are like running all these influence networks and whatnot you know that
00:26:06.160that we're like we're like just starting on the 40s we're we're building and like kind of strong
00:26:14.520in the uh in the like building and like reach their prime in like the 80s and 90s all these
00:26:22.140institutions are run by like dinosaurs you don't understand how anything work works anymore like
00:26:27.160like uh robert maxwell the epstein network like uh robert maxwell was the head of it and he like
00:26:35.100he died in like 91 but he's like was just at the age where he could still be alive today and like
00:26:43.480senile senile as could be and death gripping onto power and like epstein himself was like getting
00:26:49.680like very old like he was slightly younger than trump like all these people like we're getting
00:26:55.880to the point where the second generation of them are like these ancient like dinosaur dinosaurs
00:27:02.080and all these people like you can see this with trump you can see this with a lot of them they
00:27:07.980they still think uh cable tv is the world that you know if you take out that uh if someone's
00:27:15.440non-cable tv you like silence them they don't realize cable tv is like you know 12 to 20 percent
00:27:22.780of like the public discourse that's left you know like uh that it's all happening on twitter it's
00:27:29.220all happening on tiktok they fundamentally don't understand it's all happening on discord server
00:27:33.460servers that uh that like i could totally like yeah like almost all the conspiracy theories that
00:27:43.160i see that it's like oh that's actually implausible plausible or like that seems like what actually
00:27:48.260happened almost all of them that like closely aligned with the facts now involve like some
00:27:54.500ancient ancient dinosaur from like the 80s or the cold war uh ordering something insane that you'd
00:28:03.740never in the world expect to work because they still think it's 1985 and if you can get someone
00:28:08.960off cable tv that they're silenced forever so like you see this stuff that's like this is like a
00:28:16.200theory of like boomers holding on to power and like gerontocracy uh like like a uh what do they
00:28:23.420call it the competence crisis but literally as a result of dementia yes exactly so like um0.59
00:28:30.740so like assassinating charlie kirk if you're like would not make sense to any of us like none of us
00:28:38.800would come up with that plan like how can how can we get the young people on side you know we would
00:28:45.420think like oh if you came up with this like really evil like ai algorithmic manipulation thing or if
00:28:50.880you came up with this or you came up with that or like you started buying i were like some very
00:28:57.540very very far right very cynical uh like component of the deep state and i'm like hey i want to get
00:29:04.020like all of the normie conservatives to go really far right really fast then i would think of it
00:29:10.760yeah but yeah i think like a lot of these people still are living in like the 80s 90s when like
00:29:17.700you know yitzhak rabin was assassinated in israel and like all his political opponents
00:29:25.820just gained all the power in the world and like his dream of like uh uh like two-state solution
00:29:31.580that greatly favored israel and like kind of made israel like like a back burner like
00:29:36.600semi-normal country that completely fell fell apart and his assassination completely worked
00:29:42.800to do that you look at like the jdl or all this stuff that was that was done in like the 80s and
00:29:48.34090s the the censorship campaigns uh it's like the anti-semitism campaigns against uh uh like
00:29:56.400holocaust deniers in the 80s you know the trial of ernst sundell and all these fears the the libel
00:30:03.320trial of um the like the arrests of david urbing like all the stuff that was done in like the 80s
00:30:11.740to the early 2000s like uh pat buchanan out of political life yeah all all the maneuvers that
00:30:22.620like you can see them doing in politics that has like kind of a shady artificial
00:34:11.100So the way you start civil wars today, and we saw this in Euromaidan and it worked quite well, is you wait for like a crisis, like the Euromaidan riots, or you artificially create one with like a color revolution type thing.
00:34:32.640uh you destable you get a country to a destabilization point like let's say January
00:34:39.6806th for example and then once all the protests are out and once everything's going insane what
00:34:46.640you do is you have like a sniper on a roof start shooting people this is what they did during
00:34:53.200Euromaidan you know traditionally what riot police and every and uh anti-protest forces do
00:35:01.560is they use non-lethal force hoping to like cripple or injure the protesters so that they're
00:35:10.640dissuaded they go home eventually they like kind of run a manpower and it peters out uh
00:35:15.320the trucker protest in ottawa is a good example of this where like uh the trucker protest was
00:35:22.360cleared out by like batons and like riot police and stuff and eventually they they did exhaust
00:35:30.680them and they did go home it ultimately the canadian government did cave but like the canadian
00:35:36.760government didn't fall to the trucker protesters like there there was a brief moment there where
00:35:42.100looked like justin trio might actually be forced to step down or something and didn't get to that
00:35:45.900point but uh that that's that's an example of how like anti-protest forces work right you want
00:35:53.700non-lethal force applied such that it breaks the protest boat and then like you can arrest them
00:35:59.620later what you don't want is to create a ton of martyrs where it's like you don't want to create
00:36:05.500a ton of deaths that it becomes a rallying cause you know a bloody sunday or black tuesday or
00:36:10.940black or like uh something like like that where all suddenly you have a ton of martyrs in the
00:36:17.260street so what has been happening the last 20 years and you see this in countries that like
00:36:24.240The U.S. wants to destabilize and other countries want to destabilize is we'll get to a riot or protest point where, like, all the people are on the street.
00:36:34.040And then all of a sudden, there are these police snipers that are observing the situation.
00:36:40.340All of a sudden, the official story that the U.S. puts out about the Ukrainian government is they just open fire on the crowd and, like, start assassinating all these protesters.
00:36:53.080and that the protesters had to arm up and overthrow the government.
00:36:56.920The conspiracy theory is that those snipers were not the Ukrainian government,
00:37:02.700that it was like some quiet faction of like the Bandarists
00:37:07.840or some U.S.-aligned militia task force
00:37:12.740that shot on their allied protesters to create martyrs
00:37:18.080that would then justify like the U.S. intervening and overthrowing
00:37:21.900and like backing the protesters to violently overthrow the government and that's if you want
00:37:29.480to overthrow through a government that's like basically the fastest way to do it uh you you
00:37:37.220get a bunch of people on the street and then you you false flag kill your own allied protesters
00:37:44.120so that you have enough martyrs that uh the government has to be overthrown the people
00:37:48.360not stanford and then you know the government falls like uh if during the january 6 protests
00:37:55.060uh a sniper had just like taken out 20 to 30 uh trump supporters uh or there had been like a
00:38:04.880massacre on the washington mall that would have escalated to civil war very quickly uh you can
00:38:11.180see well then exactly how i would imagine there's plenty of opportunity for that
00:38:18.460in the future i think there are plenty of protests planned let's hope they're not
00:38:25.140overcome with bloodlust any weird shooters well yeah but uh like uh and the thing is there is a
00:38:34.880way to use gunfire to put down a violent protest uh that does break it but like basically to do
00:38:42.040that you have to kill like several thousand people like uh like napoleon at the road
00:38:48.840like uh von demir the uh the uh police action by napoleon that got him a uh promoted to general
00:39:02.520I think it was uh it was like it was like 20 to 30,000 royalists and like I think he killed
00:39:12.280like a thousand of them like completely broke their forces uh took out their leadership and
00:39:17.900stuff and but like that's the number of casualties you have to inflict to actually like break a
00:39:26.200movement with uh with grape shot and gunfire and i and like honestly i'm not sure that would even
00:39:33.220work today because like uh yeah imagine in like the 1790s the big limiting factor of who could
00:39:41.180try to overthrow the governor or not was how close to parish you are right so like there's a limited
00:39:46.940number of royalists within the vicinity of paris and you take out like like hundreds or thousands
00:39:52.920of them with rape shot you know they're there anymore whereas you know there's a hundred thousand
00:40:00.700a hundred million americans within like a five to six hour drive of washington dc so like
00:40:08.160so like even if like i don't know dc riot police took out like set out to murder every single like
00:40:16.880jan 6 or they would like not actually cripple uh the the trump this force at all because they have
00:40:27.020like you know four million more people who might show up to to protest that that or might take
00:40:34.540action because of that who are in driving distance and like can travel like that so i don't think you
00:40:39.680can actually break a like movement with grape shot anymore however what you can do is you can
00:40:46.080inflate like a few dozen casualties it make it tip over into like okay now we're overthrowing
00:40:52.000the government and we've seen stuff like this like like almost a dozen times depending on which
00:40:59.260which uh revolutions you think were like authentic or which ones you think were like
00:41:06.280color revolution type things where uh the the u.s or another government was playing both side
00:41:14.180and trying to make them overthrow the government.
00:41:16.400There's a lot of weird stuff around the Arab Spring.
00:41:18.420There's a lot of weird stuff around Euromidan.
00:41:21.200There's been like four or five weird things like this in Central Asia.
00:41:29.320The Nepal Revolution, I haven't followed closely,
00:41:34.460but I've heard like a ton of weird stuff out of there.
00:41:37.960there that uh all of this stuff is like
00:41:42.220shockingly doable now so that's what like um
00:41:48.080so like that's what an attempt to start a civil war would look like by a hostile third party
00:41:55.480is like a massive protest and then a bunch of sniper fire kills like dozens of people
00:42:01.340and the protesters all insist the government open fire on them and the government insists
00:42:06.760that they didn't open fire on them some third party they don't know open open fire and they're
00:42:12.260trying to figure it out and in the chaos like a civil war starts that's basically how it'd go
00:42:21.580uh onesie twosie assassinations like this um i can't imagine like i can't imagine russia or
00:42:31.580china doing it because if like the if you i like let's say china was the one that like took out
00:42:41.500charlie kirk uh you imagine like some some figure thinking this like oh yeah we can make the u.s go
00:42:48.020into civil war what we'll do is we'll we'll take out the moderate conservatives make it look like
00:42:53.380leftists did it have a back and forth forth and you know within six months to a year um
00:43:01.100all the moderate middle has disappeared there's two polarized sides and they have a civil war
00:43:06.360you know you could tell a story like that like we could artificially create this like0.56
00:43:10.300cycle that's like the troubles and it descends into civil war well the problem if you're china
00:43:15.660and you do that is that it's very possible for the u.s government to like get evidence that that
00:43:24.000happened or capture someone or like because you can imagine the cycle has to play out a few times
00:43:29.020to, like, even get to, like, low-level troubles, like, without destabilizing the state.
00:43:34.880So if you plan to do that, basically every time you're risking, like,
00:43:41.500some, like, knock-down evidence falling into the hands of the U.S. government,
00:43:45.340and then the U.S. just hold on to that.
00:43:47.420And then they have an instant, like, get a jail three card or card they can play
00:43:54.380at the exact moment the U.S. wants the country to unite around hating China.
00:43:59.020You know, they have a dead-to-rights casus belli for some intervention against China that they can say they discovered exactly at the moment they want to discover it and create all this unity against China at the moment they want to.
00:44:21.180And you can imagine, like, China, to do this, would have to send in, like, people to the U.S. to, like, coordinate with these people or, like, have, like, some engagement.
00:44:33.740So, like, there's actually a risk that, like, one of these guys will get caught and, like, sing like a canary.
00:44:41.060and then it's like you know the u.s public doesn't even doubt they're being told the truth because
00:44:49.820like like uh you could leak enough information that becomes that dead to rights and you know
00:44:56.260the u.s might actually get this the first time but then still let you carry out one or two more
00:45:00.580assassinations to like gather more evidence create an open nut shut case and then just when you think
00:45:06.820keeps to stabilize the u.s also only the u.s is unified against you you a over taiwan or whatever
00:45:14.160and they all all america is crying for blood and the u.s president has all this energy behind them
00:45:20.480to go after you as hard and as fast fast as they can and like strike a hard negotiating position
00:45:27.420and like arrest half the chinese officials in the u.s half the diplomatic officials or like
00:45:34.740affiliate people uh like that's a way more complex operation whereas compared to like
00:45:44.340a faction that's already part of the U.S. regime and already like insulated or like running the
00:45:51.480U.S. investigators uh you can do way more like like work the case of like a kid like this and
00:46:01.860make him uh go after kirk or someone else or like select one who's like already talking about going
00:46:09.640after someone someone and like work him and then you control the investigation so you can make that
00:46:15.160evidence disappear as it happens like uh like fundamentally the internal factions of of the
00:46:25.680u.s including israel but also including like like uh the euros and a few others that have like
00:46:32.400real influence in the u.s like they're more likely to get away with this or to try something like
00:46:38.600this knowing they could get knowing they won't get caught than like russia or china but uh
00:46:45.500you know it's also very possible this kid just acted on his lonesome and decided to do it and
00:46:52.060there wasn't actually like much rhyme or reason to it like i wouldn't have innately predicted
00:46:57.860that charlie kirk was going to be targeted before it happened yeah i was gonna say that's the
00:47:05.020evidence toward being like left brain yeah i i mean i was gonna say this one doesn't have the
00:47:10.640kind of like the thomas matthew crooks thing where it really looked like he had help you know whether
00:47:15.560that was and i know people have speculated that was you know right-wing people but in any case
00:47:21.740Uh, this case doesn't really look like that, at least so far as we know. And, um, it's like, yeah, it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem like it was a, uh, anything that would, would clearly, uh, benefit a particular foreign actor and be low risk enough.
00:47:43.340So it does seem, I mean, would you say then it's like, just from a statistical standpoint, it's much more likely that this is a lone shooter, you know, with maybe second place being maybe a crazy Mossad cell with the U.S. help?
00:47:58.260yeah so like what i suspect is that uh this kid 100 did it and then
00:48:08.300like uh the outside like conspiracy would be that uh he was being worked by like uh an intel agency
00:48:18.220or like an influence network network is part of a conspiracy that like they found out this kid was
00:48:25.420like thinking like this and like planning something like this and so egged him on on and
00:48:31.600like provided him some assistance without him realizing that that's the case like uh like you
00:48:37.540imagine uh if you're like an antifa or like uh you know a left-wing kid who's like already thinking
00:48:45.520like this kind of have a hero complex kind of like a little mentally unstable um you can wind
00:48:52.700up talking to people who say oh yeah that's a great idea we'll help you with it uh we're
00:48:59.560we're these left-wing activists or whatnot and they're like not realize that like 80 percent
00:49:06.920of the people you're talking to are actually like feds are actually part of like some espionage
00:49:11.440influence network and they like help you out and talk you through it through it and like you never
00:49:17.860figure it out and you never turn on them because you think that they're like you know your allies
00:49:23.840are still out there who are still fighting the good fight and whatnot and so you insist that
00:49:28.320you're worked alone and actually defend and as you work to defend the people who were like
00:49:34.500grooming you to ruin your life uh like uh there are cases of like actual terrorist movements
00:49:44.840like getting pwned like this like actual like networks of like hardened guys getting to the
00:49:50.940point where it's like where it's like uh they were pwned all their information was leaking
00:49:56.620to like an outside intelligence agency and basically any single thing they tried to do
00:50:02.200that outside intelligence agency was just deciding do we want them to screw up and get caught or do
00:50:07.020we want them to succeed and then ratting them out or helping them depending on what they're
00:50:12.600playing to do and like actually like having their place guys uh run influence uh suggest things for
00:50:21.580them to do and whatnot like there's a lot of cases of like militias and groups like this
00:50:27.400like complex militias and stuff like that getting pwned to this level so like artificially doing0.66
00:50:33.880that like bringing in like some dumb kid into what he thinks is like a resistance movement
00:50:39.560and actually it's just like 10 feds in a room with this one kid like uh we see that all the0.96
00:50:45.780time in like the stings that the fbi bus where it's like you know we stopped a conspiracy to0.98
00:50:51.440kidnap gretchen whitner and that conspiracy was 20 guys in a room and the four dumbest
00:50:57.620guys who are doing the least all get arrested for the conspiracy and the 16 guys who are actually
00:51:03.820doing tons of stuff like they all have to go through free because they were all actually feds
00:51:08.800uh so it's like like the exact same type of like a honey pot like uh
00:51:16.440like nut grooming and stuff that you see with like uh the arrests the fbi produces to make
00:51:25.300them look like complete to make them look like they're actually stopping terrorists
00:51:30.080is exactly the type of like grooming and like0.57
00:56:17.980So he takes the shot and actually, you know, for like a dumb 22-year-old, you watch the video and it's actually like, you know, dumb 22-year-old, like hardcore, you know, like he, he had like staged the rifle or like he waited it.0.92
00:56:42.720I think he had the rifle with him but he's like runs out from where he's like hiding as soon as0.95
00:56:48.540he sees that Charlie Kirk is there goes down takes position lines up fires the the shot like
00:56:56.680we have the video him like running out to the shooting position so so like he wasn't
00:57:04.460going to sit out there and get like spotted by the cops immediately you know if if like uh there
00:57:11.060was a like counter sniper team or like like people just paying attention you know you had to see it
00:57:17.940within like five to ten seconds till you actually get it which like usually you know you're off in
00:57:24.080la la land or you're looking looking elsewhere you know it takes a while to just notice something
00:57:28.960and then immediately he takes off running again and and this is also where we know he wasn't like
00:57:38.380a pro or like he didn't actually have like someone that smart uh like coaching him because
00:57:46.500the way he decides to get off the roof he doesn't go back through the building back through the
00:57:51.380stairs that he just came up which would have taken like 10 seconds more it doesn't take that
00:57:56.720long to run down a flight of stairs um instead he goes to like the far back corner of the roof
00:58:03.120climbs down it and like jumps off and the total roof like the total clearance of this like
00:58:10.000university building is like six to eight mirrors top to bottom so he he dangles from the edge like
00:58:18.060gives himself like a meter meter and a half of like like extra cushion and like drops and falls
00:58:24.380And this is the exact mistake John Wilkes Booth made, assassinated Lincoln.
00:58:31.540Like, he dived out of the opera box, partly to get away from, like, a man who's trying to fight him in the box.
01:03:37.700You know, they don't they don't they don't they don't kill politicians anymore like they used to.
01:03:44.500What happened? We used to kill Robert Ford needed to, like, talk to a governor and all this stuff before he assassinated Jesse James.
01:03:56.680But the guy who shot Robert Ford, he just, like, got out of prison and went and shot Robert Ford for, like, no reason and then got a pardon for no reason.
01:04:05.300incredible but uh but no so so like to my mind just him being like a crazed like
01:04:18.060like kid doesn't seem that odd and like this actually does explain why charlie kirk like
01:04:24.960very well like we had to go through the entire explanation of like why would israel do this0.96
01:04:29.400well you have to assume that they're that the person making the decision is a retarded boomer0.95
01:04:34.060And they want to keep the the like Mauga right influencers afraid, like the mainstream ones with the names and all this stuff.0.97
01:04:43.180Like you have to tell this like long, elaborate story with like a lot of geopolitics to to tell a story about why the conspiracy theory would be true.
01:04:54.080Right. Like that's a fairly elaborate story. You both agree.
01:04:57.040yeah a hundred percent i mean if we if we go with occam's razor it's definitely the uh it's
01:05:05.240definitely the lone kid who got radicalized and uh maybe maybe not got egged on online
01:05:15.360but this also explains why charlie kirk because like charlie kirk he's not the most extreme he's
01:05:24.160not the most inflammatory you know tucker carlson's the most anti-israel if you wanted to like
01:05:29.140really scare someone about like don't talk about you after you have seen don't talk about israel
01:05:33.580blah blah blah blah you wouldn't go after charlie kirk you'd go after tucker carlson or one of the
01:05:38.300other like figures that's like going hard on it you go after nick fuentes so the exactly well the
01:05:46.080thing is if you're going to if you're like a crazed leftist kid who's really offended at
01:05:51.340violence coming to campus or like the fascists taking over you know fascism rising in the youth
01:05:58.700uh charlie kirk is he exactly the person you'd assassinate because charlie kirk's entire thing
01:06:05.640for like 10 plus years has been going on to campus and like confronting and engaging with
01:06:11.480these people on their home turn you know he's he actually isn't what he's portrayed as that he just
01:06:18.100goes and like like sound bites all these moments with uh you know blue haired like 18 year olds
01:06:25.160like a he was relatively young himself when he started but but b like uh he would actually have
01:06:32.020people up and give them a platform with where they could talk for like a significant amount of time
01:06:36.980and he'd respond like uh by all accounts like very civilly like uh he wasn't like having angry
01:06:44.320confrontations with people they might get angry but he was like pretty pretty calm whatnot and it
01:06:50.280was like a fairly intellectual discussion like as much as one could could expect like it was
01:06:57.720it wasn't cheap but uh the thing is he's been doing this yeah exactly uh but he's been doing
01:07:08.760this for like 10 plus years like he's he's gone on hundreds of campuses and done this you know if
01:07:14.860you think okay if a blue-haired or like a liberal college student is going to like assassinate a
01:07:23.280conservative influencer if like uh if like one of these uh speeches violent types
01:07:30.300violence type types is going to take a literally and actually shoot one of these people or like
01:07:36.060one of these guys is going to die on a college campus like all of suddenly the odds that it's
01:07:41.480charlie kirk like rise to 50 60 70 percent like he's done it more than anyone else he
01:07:49.940maybe done it more than all the others combined like uh like here's the one still doing it
01:07:56.700throughout like all of 2020 all of um well 2020 there's like coven stuff but he he's the one who's
01:08:04.420still doing this in 2025 you know you know he's going and all his events are announced in advance
01:08:13.320you know i i i can't remember his like funding model but i think there was like
01:08:19.300actually there might not be a charge to attend i'm i'm i might be wrong about that but like
01:08:25.740like these are i'm pretty sure you have to rsvp so they're well announced in advance everyone
01:08:31.900knows where he's going to be or where the event's going to be held like you naturally like a lot of
01:08:38.100public figures if you're going to like try to take out say like i don't know tucker carlson or
01:08:46.100something like you have to kind of figure out like where are they going to be like that's actually
01:08:50.140like kind of a challenge like tracking down the majority of public affairs like uh i don't know
01:08:55.860if you want to take out, like, the head of the IRS or if you want to take out, like, Fauci or, like, Bill Gates or someone, like, it's only a bit of a challenge to figure out where, like, a lot of these, like, major public fairs are going to be at any given moment.
01:09:11.200Like, I don't announce my comings and goings.
01:09:14.500And, like, I'm, like, I'm probably, like, easier to track down than most of these people.
01:09:20.540you know you know it's very easy for a lot of these guys to like you know if you really like
01:09:28.140hate mark zuckerberg but you live in florida you know how much money are you going to pour0.88
01:09:34.540into going after mark zuckerberg you know yeah you know which like sounds dumb that it's that's0.93
01:09:41.520like it sounds dumb that's like well you're willing to risk like your life and freedom like
01:09:47.220You should be willing to, like, put $10,000, $20,000 into that question.
01:09:52.000Like, rationally, if you're going to risk your freedom, you should be willing to dedicate six months and $20,000 and actually move out to California and, like, rent an Airbnb and, like, track down, oh, this is where Mark Zuckerberg lives and, oh, I saw him once and this is where his security is.
01:10:10.680what about a credit card it's like what does a personal guarantee mean when you're gonna
01:10:15.780you're almost certainly gonna die in the process yeah but for most people it's like
01:10:21.780like in the back of their mind they're thinking oh i'm probably gonna chicken out you know it's
01:10:27.440probably gonna they're probably gonna be something that i don't you know if you went after mark
01:10:31.820zuckerberg and you're like i'm gonna encounter him in his mansion then you find out that like
01:10:35.340what i assume is the case that mark zuckerberg's mansion is a fortress
01:10:40.180with like they spend like 20 million dollars on security for him it's like insane a lot of people
01:10:46.180would go after mark zuckerberg if they could but uh the oh my god i assume he's got a whole team
01:10:52.340like i assume he's got at least a dozen like former special forces guys or whatever
01:10:58.220but like the the process of even like figuring out how you would go after mark zuckerberg like
01:11:04.960you didn't spend ten thousand dollars just like following him around and trying to figure out
01:11:09.580where where is he going to be at any given moment you know where does he live what does he do
01:11:13.980oh i saw him once and there were like 20 eyes around him how am i going to do that like like0.99
01:11:20.420you could easily spend like six months and ten thousand dollars always inside that's dumb and
01:11:25.120you're never going to succeed and give up on it and now you're up ten thousand dollars like0.88
01:11:28.480that's very unappealing to like someone with a hero complex despite the fact that you're like
01:11:33.560gambling you know your life and freedom on it so like you should be willing to expend six months
01:11:39.180and twenty thousand dollars just to figure out if you want to do it or not but uh that's profoundly
01:11:44.220unappealing that does that isn't part of the fantasy so uh whereas charlie kirk and like a
01:11:51.180lot of guys that hold public events that's a really cheap thing to figure out if you could
01:11:56.860get up or not you know he's coming to your university like this kid lives in the provo area
01:12:01.500he he's not coming from maine maine to get charlie kirk because he's like trying to do
01:12:07.560an opsec thing or like or like really track down this guy that he hates he's only after
01:12:13.040a target of opportunity and if he like chickened out or decided he couldn't do it or whatever
01:12:19.280you know he was out like maybe like a hundred bucks if he like bought some things but he didn't
01:12:26.760even buy a rope so he's probably not even out a hundred bucks and they're like and they're like
01:12:33.140it gets to the day and he's hyped up and he managed to talk himself into it and you know
01:12:37.820maybe maybe some fed was talking him into it maybe not not but uh like he gets to it and oh my god
01:12:46.000he's done it what does he do he goes back home and talks to his dad and his dad talks his youth
01:12:54.540faster and that's how it gets out to spend fact that like the actual plan and like the like
01:13:01.340operation was carried out like semi-decently like it like 4chan didn't get him within the first 24
01:13:10.000hours which is like you know luigi lasted like only five days and he left the metro area mind
01:13:20.320you he stopped in Altoona and never stopped in Altoona but uh but like uh when you like add it
01:13:28.140up all that way like who's gonna actually come to your university who do you who would like one of
01:13:33.160these guys know that they're supposed to hate who would one of these guys have the opportunity to go
01:13:38.340after who would one of them like actually hate for like spreading hatred or like and field in
01:13:44.320their personal lives. All of a sudden, Charlie Kirk seems like the main target. It seems
01:13:52.360like if he settled on someone else, that would be actually kind of odd. It's not like Jordan
01:14:01.780Peterson is still doing these tours of universities. It's not like he's going to go after Dennis
01:14:08.740Prager you know I mean yeah exactly no I think that's true this is like Charlie's almost kind
01:14:16.960of like a shelling point for the left and that you know he is the one that everybody thinks that
01:14:20.960when they think of the right-wing fascism because they are so insulated from us they don't actually
01:14:26.760know what we think as you know the meme is famous for showing like they have no clue what we think
01:14:33.060they actually don't know what far right is which you know interestingly is why they seem to think
01:17:51.760He did a kind of confident job, even when he had the Eye of Sauron on him.
01:17:55.640he was staying one step ahead for a bit he was in the arena betting it all against the panopticon0.96
01:18:02.480for what he believed in them boomers fucking rub rub pulled him the man was all in betting his life0.97
01:18:11.300and freedom on what he believed him inspecting no rewards say what he thought was the betterment of0.99
01:18:15.940his country and his own father betrayed him this is a civil war it doesn't matter if you're ira or0.97
01:18:22.760uvf any who'd betray their child as scum that the insane thing is now we know who who's next in the0.94
01:18:31.060domino chains of assassinations antifa basically has this set of establish a precedent real greek0.95
01:18:38.380tragedy and then i post the heat map meme so already i'm getting tons of hate for this right
01:18:47.080I'm getting like tons of people like raging at me, what's wrong with you, etc.
01:18:55.440So then I post the heat map meme of the left and the right.
01:19:01.000A whole lot of so-called conservatives are revealing they're actually communists once you scratch the surface.
01:19:07.000If I do value the I have never met over my own child.
01:19:13.380Again, paraphrasing another conservative.
01:19:16.100i always told my kids it doesn't matter if the cops come to the door i'm siding with them
01:19:21.100to which i i say wow so brave so that's what the founders thought sure that's what the founders
01:19:29.280thought too if the redcoats ever come to door for our police screw our posterity0.99
01:19:34.260is uh then i shit folks on tritians as always the christians who go on about the evils and0.99
01:19:45.760paganism are the first to demand and defend actual child sacrifice. But our morality says0.99
01:19:51.800it's good we sacrifice our own children to force busing and anti-racism and the police.
01:19:58.100What if the situation was reversed? What if the kid was a right-wing assassin taking on
01:20:03.000Fauci or Hillary or Stephen Colbert, taking out Fauci or Hillary or Stephen Colbert,
01:20:08.400and his Karen MSNBC-watching mother turned him into the cops? Would you call her a hero?
01:20:14.240Betraying your own child is not admirable.0.77
01:20:17.880Look at how central betraying your own kids to the state is for boomers, Christians, and conservatives gesturing at the people replying to me.0.93
01:20:37.260They need to justify it because their lives are spent betraying their kids.
01:20:40.720the father could have said i was watching tv and didn't see you steal what you need and leave i
01:20:48.280can't support this this is goodbye bye he could have just cast cast the kid out and washed his
01:20:55.460hands of it but instead every single boomer here has to justify why not just why not just not
01:21:03.060helping but actively betraying your child to the state is right there are three respectable choices
01:21:08.980in this he could have helped the son if the father agreed with his cause he could have kicked out the
01:21:14.620son if the father can't support that cause or he could kill the son if the father disagrees with
01:21:20.360the cause that dramatically ratting out your own son to the government is betraying the very idea0.95
01:21:26.000of kin fatherhood and hospitality and tetsuo's our friend not yours if someone's gonna kill him it
01:21:32.920should be ours hey and i go on with several several more this is a long thread of me like
01:21:43.460just stacking this up but uh but yeah so i was being like pretty belligerent but
01:21:52.160not even a little not even a little bit nothing about that is like it is crazy to me that that0.83
01:21:59.780like it is it is fucking insane i assume i can swear here um like nuts dude what in the ever0.91
01:22:09.440loving fuck like the idea i i mean and you know daryl cooper god bless him you know decided to0.98
01:22:16.900come back in the right direction on this like yeah man if that's first of all it would never0.99
01:22:22.000be my kid for obvious reasons but like um because this is this is ultimately the fault of the0.98
01:22:27.480parents everybody said oh it's not the parents it's like of course it's the fucking parents it's0.99
01:22:30.660your genetics it's your upbringing what else is there what is the schools you put them in the1.00
01:22:34.460fucking schools you stupid cucks anyway but like yeah of course it's your fucking fault but anyway1.00
01:22:39.560like if it was my kid like yeah i mean probably if it was like you know if he killed somebody1.00
01:22:47.400where i'm like you know on the fence about it it's like yeah you know uh good luck kid um and
01:22:54.300if it's somebody if it's something like oh no you picked the wrong side of this and you're like
01:22:58.680on the other side now i'm not gonna hand you over to the enemy i'm gonna take the father's1.00
01:23:04.740primordial right and i'm gonna kill you my fucking self with my own fucking hands i i will1.00
01:23:10.500and like you know i'm catholic many christians will look at that and be like oh that's it's1.00
01:23:15.080like hey fuck you all your ancestors believe that you're gonna tell me you're a better christian1.00
01:23:18.400than them you can go fuck yourself like no we don't do this and to the degree that they and1.00
01:23:22.960And by the way, to the degree that they didn't believe that, to the degree that they added a system of like sort of impartial justice, that was only because they lived in very small insular tribes.0.99
01:23:34.120And it was like, OK, well, we've all sort of decided we've kind of decided to outsource this police function, this this execution function in order to avoid sort of escalating cycles of retributive violence.
01:23:50.220and so we're going to kind of like bring it to the village elder but it would never go much far
01:23:56.720outside it's never going to go outside the community ever ever ever so it might go up to
01:24:01.880like a higher extension of the family it might go up to a community elder it maybe go up to the
01:24:07.220feudal lord but like that's where it's going to stop it's going to go to somebody that you know0.99
01:24:11.040personally and that person's going to fucking kill you you're going to be killed like never in the1.00
01:24:16.800past this is like your family and your community gonna hand you over to a stranger who will kill1.00
01:24:21.440you hey man get fucked like you're gonna get killed by someone who fucking knows you who knows1.00
01:24:28.520your name who knows your family who knows your history who knows who the fuck you are and they're1.00
01:24:34.120gonna look you in the face and say hey say you're fucking after contrition and make your peace with1.00
01:24:38.820god because you're going to the particular judgment that's like that's what our ancestors always did1.00
01:24:44.460this idea that you would fucking send your son to the feds like dude what a despicable action1.00
01:24:52.200it's like have the fucking courage kill him yourself and then fucking go to prison if you1.00
01:24:57.040have to what like what does that matter you've already failed in life if your son is doing1.00
01:25:01.540something you have to kill him for they're like you know turning him in and of course you know0.64
01:25:06.380the whole thing is like maybe he didn't turn him in maybe the pastor turned him in which is like0.99
01:25:10.400there's a whole commentary on that but anyway sorry i didn't mean to like go on a rant there
01:25:15.500i i i i love it yes i i got into a fight with someone in that thread actually was like yeah
01:25:24.140didn't you know that that not turning him in is a felony and i'm like yeah yeah who cares like
01:25:31.900you're going to betray your own child over a matter of law and also and also no um
01:25:40.160uh spouses and parents cannot be compelled to like testify against you or at least spouses
01:25:47.180and preacher parents as well well you can't compel i don't know about parents spouses for
01:25:51.300sure and also like it's a story until recently priests in the confessional this is where like
01:25:55.980i got a shill for the catholics here like um priests will not turn you in because they will
01:26:02.380literally like they will be ipso facto excommunicated that's what the seal the
01:26:06.680confessional forbids them if you come and like confess something and say hey look i did now they1.00
01:26:11.680might tell you for your penance they might say hey motherfucker you have to go fucking submit to the0.99
01:26:16.040judgment for this that might be your penance but they're not going to turn you in so a protestant1.00
01:26:22.860pastor though like a a youth pastor or whatever like they don't owe you jack shit0.91
01:26:28.780what even is that a youth pastor it sounds so dude i don't know if it's an american thing0.99
01:26:35.880or something it's super gay it's very american1.00
01:26:39.420oh it's so gay dude i i mean i can't get over how i mean i'm i this is not a time to shit on1.00
01:26:49.740the protestants there's plenty of gay catholic shit too we've got no room to talk but like1.00
01:26:53.480the youth bastard thing is pretty fucking retarded uh no all every denomination has their own unique1.00
01:27:01.880form of retardation that is their own but somehow all equally retarded uh but uh but no this is1.00
01:27:11.100like one of my follow-ups north or south axis or allies irish or british patriot or loyalist0.98
01:27:19.120if as a parent you betray your own child whilst they're under your protection you're a monster
01:27:24.700i'm right wing this shooter is my enemy but i despise anyone who thinks betraying their own
01:27:30.940child is admirable like um and i i want to unpack that you know let's say let's say this is mike
01:27:39.820right and i like disagree with him profoundly this is i consider this like profoundly evil
01:27:45.240which i would if it was my kid and i'm like oh that's like that's horrible and that's exactly
01:27:51.740you know i might raise my kid that he'd be willing to like commit violence but not against
01:27:58.280charlie kirk for the crime of speaking on college campuses and like having discussion uh you know
01:28:06.780under no circumstances he's going after charlie kirk specifically justified there are many people
01:28:13.860might be justified against but certainly not charlie kirk and that goes across the political
01:28:18.500spectrum like someone just just uh discussing their ideas and like not taking taxpayer money
01:28:25.360to do it and like and like debating openly and using their expression like like no you actually
01:28:33.340have to point to like a physical crime where someone is like actually enacting violence or
01:28:39.240enabling violence or like taking taking money from someone else via via violence to like
01:28:46.660justify it and then you have to ask yourself is this person like like the worst of it this is why
01:28:52.580partly why i'm like my examples i'm like well you could imagine like you know
01:28:58.940actually i'm not going to unpack that i'm not going to unpack unpack that farther but like
01:29:05.320Yeah, we don't want to outline any particular targets, but I think we can all think of, like, who's morally legitimate target and who's not.
01:29:12.480And, like, there's also degrees of culpability.
01:29:15.120Like, you're not, you know, you can't kill the local librarian because she works for the state.
01:29:18.920Like, that's, you know, a little far out.
01:29:22.960Or, like, you certainly can't start there.
01:29:26.700Like, you have to, like, start with the most egregious cases, you know, or else it's just, like, or else it's selective punishment, you know.
01:29:35.320You know, like, say what you will about Thomas Matthew Crook's, like, President Trump, like, is a murder.
01:29:44.820Like, he has, like, killed, like, hundreds of people by his orders and by his actions, and he is the head of, like, the state and whatnot.0.55
01:29:52.580Like, of all the figures you could, like.0.68
01:37:38.060But, like, this idea that, like, this inability of most commentators to just, like, reverse it or to analogize, like, the current conflict, any historical conflict.
01:37:57.240like uh if if during the american civil war like some father or mother had like betrayed you know
01:38:07.640their kid was john wilkes booth and they betrayed john wilkes booth uh to the north everyone would
01:38:14.840say oh that's like a horrible parent you know you know that's a like you shouldn't betray your own
01:38:23.080own kid at you know what you should do if you morally disagree with your you're like child
01:38:29.620and they've done something horribly criminal criminal say okay that's it you're out uh i can1.00
01:38:35.320i'm not your parent anymore uh you have to leave uh take your shit and go uh this is it and0.98
01:38:44.440and like like you know you break it there and you say if ever you know if you're really pissed you0.99
01:38:52.480say, if ever we meet again, we will be
01:48:18.400but uh there's a reason that i felt it was necessary
01:48:23.160like there's a reason i do this and the reason is because like we're probably staring down like
01:48:33.640like going around the map of like all the crises that are starting and all the like internal
01:48:39.820tensions that are going on and you know my country is probably further along this path
01:48:46.940in the U.S. and Britain's further along this path than my country. The reason I harp on this is
01:48:54.040because these are the values that actually have historically sustained intelligent white European
01:49:03.380families through hard times. These are the values that like actually let you survive like a world
01:49:09.180crisis or civil war or like a rolling like like international troubles type thing like uh this
01:49:18.160could this is probably going to spiral over the next 20 plus years and this is going to get worse
01:49:23.700and there's been ethnic replacement everywhere and there's probably going to be hot ethnic conflict
01:49:28.620close to everywhere and these values the values of like loyalty to your family or0.59
01:49:35.320you know if your your kid has like taken up with the other side what you do about that do you rat
01:49:45.080them out to the police or do you handle it yourself or do you kick them out and say no you're done
01:49:49.740you're gone you know take your cash and take your stuff in your cash and and go we don't want to see
01:49:56.100you see you again like uh like these codes and these values are are very important because you0.99
01:50:04.360get them wrong if you aren't doing them right you're just gonna fucking die like uh if you
01:50:09.100aren't if you're in following like the moral logic and the moral code of like kinship and loyalty0.97
01:50:15.200and really relationships and you aren't navigating that and you aren't aren't navigating norms of
01:50:20.680hospitality you aren't navigating like what friendship truly is like like uh will your
01:50:27.060friend head your back in a fight if you're at a bar and like someone punches you in the back of
01:50:31.380the head or like will your friend just sit there and go well uh you insulted him earlier so uh
01:50:36.700i'm not getting involved like uh like whether you are tracking that and like morally understanding
01:50:43.520that and like imbibing those like again this goes back to like the sea people and the ancient
01:50:49.780arians like the normal codes of like aristocratic hospitality and honor and loyalty of kinship and
01:50:56.720friendship and all this stuff like this is ancient stuff that has like safeguarded people from like
01:51:02.800the dawn of time to like uh you can go to recent conflicts like uh it was a hundred years ago but
01:51:09.980the irish war of independence uh exactly these norms were how the irish like outfox the british
01:51:18.700uh michael collins great film uh great film starring uh liam neeson michael michael collins
01:51:26.640from like the 90s it's in color it has a romance to wonderful like it would make a good day night
01:51:32.240film film even or a good film with family but uh michael collins uh he established the norm
01:51:40.520that you see repeat throughout like all the irish shovels that uh no you do not go to the british
01:51:47.540police for anything uh if you have a problem with like someone doing something someone messing with
01:51:53.620your property or someone uh or someone committing violence against you or trying to run a protection
01:51:58.740racket on you or whatever you come to the ira and anyone who rats to the police about anything at
01:52:04.700all like anyone who goes to british or treats the british as the legitimate government you know0.90
01:52:09.400that's that's punishable by death death because that's how he got an act of war
01:52:17.280yeah you're inviting an enemy government into our community and wielding it against
01:52:26.180against your fellow irish yeah it's like it's like inviting somebody into your marriage it's
01:52:31.920like your wife saying oh we have this dispute which if you have disputes with your wife you're
01:52:37.120already wrong but like um you picked the wrong woman most likely but um you know if you have a
01:52:44.560dispute inside the family if you bring somebody from outside the family if she were to say like0.84
01:52:49.780oh i talked to this guy and he thinks this and it's like hey we're fucking done
01:52:54.900you know yeah exactly it's like hey look no that's that's not that's not happening like0.86
01:53:04.560whatever disagreement we have is trivial in comparison to like bringing an outsider to bear
01:53:10.040on uh an intimate relationship and the same goes with a people with a nation with you know and i
01:53:19.060don't believe of course as as you know same as kulak like in this arbitrary like artificial
01:53:24.360political entity that we call the state which is a totally modern construction which our medieval
01:53:28.680ancestors would never have recognized but there is such a thing as a nation and it is a it is a
01:53:34.040function of kinship and it's like yeah i mean you may not know the people and whatever and like
01:53:38.800there's levels of kinship and if you're irish for example in the 1920s or in the 70s or the 90s when
01:53:45.140the troubles are going on like yeah i mean you don't go to the british for anything they're the
01:53:51.100enemy and but most importantly this was how michael collins broke the informants like uh
01:54:00.020It's just no, anyone who's going to the British for anything, like, and he had an assassination campaign and it's a wonderful moment in the film version of it.
01:54:10.600And it's a real moment in the actual story of it where they realize, oh, crap, we're going to have to, like, assassinate all these, like, civilians and whatnot who have been informing to the British or have been, like, participating in through it.
01:54:25.980And we're going to have to go through, like, really ruthlessly to establish this norm.0.86
01:54:37.340But, like, if they didn't do that, they would just have been, like, and they would have just been exactly where they were, which was being, like, crippled by all these informants.
01:54:47.620And part of the reason he did it is he realized that if he didn't do this, that, like, it would just be a matter of, you know, whenever a reasonably competent British administrator comes along and goes through their files, you know, they could wrap them all up.
01:55:02.940but uh like this is this is the kind of logic that like has dominated for the past 3 000 years
01:55:13.320and dominates in the western world whenever there's like an even moderate like civil conflict
01:55:20.980like this is the logic that dominated in like in france throughout uh the tragic years from like
01:55:29.540uh 38 to actually france was destabilized relatively destabilized by like communists
01:55:38.400versus uh right wing wing conflict even before world war ii but this dominated in france this
01:55:43.960dominated in spain this dominated in ireland uh this this dominated in the balkans in the 90s
01:55:50.440like uh this is like the default of like like what happens in the west like in the absence of
01:55:59.980this incredibly like artificial thing we call like a liberal democratic state and yeah it
01:56:08.020and your ability to survive what is like coming down the pipe in like next five to 25 years
01:56:15.320you know and it's probably going to be like start sooner rather than later and it's probably
01:56:21.660going to last longer rather than shorter uh uh your ability to like survive and thrive
01:56:28.900and like not be like crippled and immiserated and like have your like children ripped away
01:56:37.340from you is dependent on your ability to like like imbibe those like ancient values it is
01:56:44.660very it is genuinely shocking like when you look at the values that like
01:56:52.020work in ireland in the 1980s like northern ireland in the 1980s and the values that worked
01:57:00.860in ithaca in like 1100 bc that's like oh yeah this is what like
02:09:11.4402,000 people who have combat experience who are seasoned and networked, that's actually a lot. That's way more than I thought. That raises the threat level significantly in my estimation. I did not know about that.
02:09:28.500yeah um obviously like that does not compare to the number of like
02:09:35.100like right-wing g-watt guys who like just went to america's wars and like you know i know but are
02:09:43.560they as united and connected no that's the thing like the like the right-wing people in the united
02:09:49.300states like hardly dare speak to each other you know because like you know and obviously like
02:09:56.380i have a unique situation because i have a community where like we can talk to each other
02:10:00.820but even then like a lot most of the people i know are not in it don't have any war experience
02:10:05.480so it's like we can talk to each other because we have like a lot of in-person contact but most
02:10:12.120people don't have that and it's like okay so there's yes kulak you're 100 right there's a
02:10:17.700bunch of gwag guys who i think are right about now feeling pretty fucking right wing
02:10:21.900and you know when i was in the military like again like the the the combat arms segment of0.79
02:10:28.520the military is very right wing but they're not they don't know each other you know like i i think
02:10:34.360it was one of your articles i think a while back it was talking about how you know since world war
02:10:39.760one they separated the units where they're not location based so like you know whoever you fought
02:10:45.880with doesn't live near you and uh so you know despite the fact there's a lot more of them i
02:10:52.120wonder it's like hey are the lefties because they are permitted to communicate because the government
02:10:57.700is fundamentally left wing like do they have an advantage i mean well of course the answer is yes
02:11:03.480but like this is why larping is important this is why like going on from your little
02:11:09.100this is why going on forming your little airsoft teams and like and like going on and rucking or
02:11:15.540doing like a little survival like canoeing weekend down a river with like uh you know a few of your
02:11:23.500g walk guys and just a few of like the outdoorsy larpers like that's really important because a
02:11:30.380creates cover for like if if a bunch of those guys did want to get together for like something
02:11:35.600serious but b it's just like oh you're creating like cohesion and you're creating trust and you're
02:11:42.220establishing like an ongoing relationship that like if something happens five years down the line
02:11:48.860like you're reasonably sure those guys aren't feds because you went on like a two-week-to-new trip
02:11:54.340with them like five years before and like well you'll be happy to know i recently started larping
02:12:00.000hard like that and uh yeah hey you look and the other great thing by the way i gotta thank you
02:12:06.220for the recommendation on the uh reading list of um uh bandit country by toby harndon about the the
02:12:13.760ira and of course it resonates with me because i'm ethnically irish but uh one of the things
02:12:18.180that really stuck with me on that is they were like when you're looking to recruit somebody to
02:12:22.100the ira your prime candidate is somebody who is whose ancestors were fighting the english 100
02:12:28.340years ago and you need to know that that person for three generations like you need to know who
02:12:34.380their grandparents are and and again like i hate to harp on this too much but like the benefit of0.81
02:12:40.000having a real fucking community is like you know who people's parents are you've known them for 200.86
02:12:44.560years and like where i live basically everybody that i hang out with i know who i know who they0.98
02:12:50.620are i know who their parents are i know where they're from and like their motivations are clear
02:12:54.500like i i've known them for a long ass time or or at least known of them you know like everybody
02:12:59.740he knows of each other yeah no that's ah so that is such an amazing book bandit country is
02:13:10.540bandit country is an incredible book for like 10 to 20 different reasons a it's like the most
02:13:17.640successful uh small gorilla team in human history like they had the british traveling around by
02:13:23.700helicopter because they couldn't take their roads dude i had 10 percent of the way to the book and
02:13:28.440I can't, like, every time I talk to my friends, they're, like, you know, just bombarded with facts about the IRA.
02:13:35.860I'm like, did you know that they couldn't go outside because of mortar fire?
02:13:40.340They were not allowed to step outside.
02:13:42.520Did you know that the IRA put up signs, like, saying, uh, sniper at work?
02:13:49.580And I was like, dude, I, I don't know.
02:13:56.420The thing that blows me away about that book, though, is like that's the only book that covers like half of the most prominent, like low level crime.
02:14:08.320so like uh so like almost every industry in the west or like every like a small criminal operation
02:14:17.540uh in most industries have this are like small crimes like uh like defrauding government subsidies
02:14:26.620or like gasoline smuggling or like cigarette running in like uh on the u.s canada border
02:14:34.660These small dinky crimes are actually like fairly high margin, like make 20 to 30 percent margin or so.0.95
02:14:41.320But it's like dinky onesie, twosie stuff.
02:14:44.640It's a, you know, vaguely like a legal industry, but you're cheating.
02:14:51.660And this is like almost how almost all like big criminal networks start as they start off with this dinky onesie, twosie stuff and then slowly escalate.
02:15:03.340you know because it's like actually very specific like the types of crime like how do you defraud a
02:15:09.120like government gasoline subsidy or whatnot or how do you like draw businesses into that to do it
02:15:16.860and no one ever talks about this because it's not glamorous and like no one ever writes a book about
02:15:23.360it and like it's never covered and like no one ever gets busted by it but if you read bandit
02:15:29.340country uh the ira in south armagh uh they cover that in extraordinary detail because that's what
02:15:36.960these guys are doing and these guys were were like being observed with a microscope by like mi6 and
02:15:45.180mi5 and the sas and like all the media in great britain for like 30 years and so you get all
02:15:55.740these detail of like uh like farmers who owned farms on both sides of the british-irish border
02:16:03.440and like have run pipes between their two farms so that they could they could fill up a tank on
02:16:11.100one side of the border with gasoline and funnel it over to their tank on their other property
02:16:18.140and just have trucks go in and out all the all the time like bringing gasoline in or taking it
02:16:25.000out depending on which side of the border had like fuel subsidies or not and like and they were
02:16:32.040like i hate to interrupt but like i was got so excited when i was like they were just moving
02:16:36.820pigs from one side of the the uh so this one kingpin tom slab murphy was like the guy and
02:16:45.860he was moving these pigs from one side of his land to the other because he lived on the border
02:16:49.800and like to take advantage of like i don't know some sort of forex or subsidy or whatever
02:16:54.100I don't I haven't fully comprehended the details of it, but it was just so funny.
02:16:59.640And it kind of ties back to what you were saying earlier about this, you know, the IRA and its enforcement of norms and familial ties is that, you know,
02:17:12.180multiple british commanders who are in command of south armagh were uh like when they showed up
02:17:18.740the previous commander was like would point at the slab murphy farm and be like this is where
02:17:23.740it's all coming from like all the ira guys are getting trained on the slab murphy farm all the
02:17:28.920ira guys are run out of the slab murphy complex and yet they couldn't get them they couldn't get
02:17:35.060him i think they did eventually get him like very recently the book was published for the
02:17:39.280introduction but they couldn't get him because nobody would rat on him because they successfully
02:17:44.640police the rats for like 30 years yeah and this is like uh basically you have um in terms of like
02:17:57.360the greatest political institutions ever run in terms of like maximum discipline and like
02:18:04.540competence of their people like you have the royal navy uh in the like at the time of the0.56
02:18:11.780napoleonic wars and like afterwards uh you have like the aryan brotherhood in prison where that0.91
02:18:19.520like they managed to get it that like to this day if one aryan brother like shows up in your prison0.92
02:18:27.600that one brother just runs all the whites in the entire prison like just one guy shows up0.85
02:18:34.840and it's like every every criminal organization though every organized crime group every like
02:18:40.500minor prison gang every like gang that's on the outside all of them that one guy shows up and0.81
02:18:45.780they're all like no we're answering to this guy and if you have a problem with that we will kill1.00
02:18:50.300you because because they have influence throughout the all the other prisons and if they fuck with0.99
02:18:55.920the iran brotherhood uh they're just like all their guys in other prisons are going to start0.95
02:19:01.700getting hit immediately and the other example is the iran seth armagh who like is our example of
02:19:12.080like a group this discipline being run out of uh being run out of like normally a free free space
02:19:21.940first world country and it it's like like these are some of the these are the most discordant
02:19:33.520possible examples you know british ship in like 1812 uh an american prison gang in
02:19:40.060in california in like 2025 and a and the irish like resistance movement in the 1980s but like
02:19:52.820that's the that's what peak performance looks like and you should be studying all three examples
02:19:59.840you should be watching movies about all three back to back you should be watching master and
02:20:04.860commander uh michael collins and shot caller back to back on the same night that might be
02:20:11.860shot caller is so good i watched shot caller and i was like no i totally would do that i was like
02:20:18.060and and i i i told my wife i was like if i ever go to prison understand that i'm getting it i'm0.80
02:20:23.200getting a fucking uh swastika tattoo on day one and i'm not like like like dude i'm like understand0.93
02:21:52.760is you just make good relationships with all your relatives you look at your savings account
02:21:59.280and you just accept you know assuming it's a reasonably like short amount of time that you're
02:22:04.240going to be expensing you know 500 to a thousand dollars a month paying rent to some gang to look
02:22:11.520after you you know you can do this in almost any prison in the world uh you can bargain them down
02:22:17.940Like if you're going to, if you're in Southeast Asia, a hundred bucks will cover it easily.
02:22:24.220But almost any prison in the world, if you're just like, make contact with one of the gangs and say, hey, listen, I'm willing to like arrange these payments.
02:22:41.280And actually, depending on the lawyer, if you get a good criminal defense attorney, they can make the arrangements for you.
02:22:47.380but uh the have you seen that series by the guy um what was the guy this tall tall skinny white guy
02:22:56.260who went to prison for drugs who is in the colombian cocaine it was big a couple years ago
02:23:02.980a huge youtube channel and then he finished a series and he's like not actually that funny
02:23:07.220as a comedian so i think it dropped off but like do you remember that guy no no no i don't know0.61
02:23:13.260fuck i gotta send it to you it's actually really you would love it it's actually really good so0.61
02:23:18.160the guy has a whole series of like his experience in prison but yeah he was talking about how like0.99
02:23:23.140he had all this money that he had built up from drugs and he had it set aside and in the moment
02:23:27.600he got arrested he called his parents and he was like give the money to the fat man which is like
02:23:32.400the best criminal lawyer in seattle or portland or wherever he was from it was somewhere in the
02:23:37.200northeast i don't remember sorry northwest i don't i don't remember exactly but it's like
02:23:41.400seattle or portland or whatever and like he was known as a really good criminal attorney and he
02:23:45.620represented criminals and um he was like he had like a million dollars in cash or more from his
02:23:52.080uh you know a criminal activity running drugs from columbia and he was like give the money to
02:23:59.220the fat man and the guy got him like a sweetheart deal he did like a year and a half and he had done
02:24:03.640like significant amount of drug trafficking um i'll have to find the guy and put i'll put it in
02:24:10.060discord but uh um it'd be an inch it's it's it's fascinating because it's like all about prison life
02:24:17.740and all that stuff and if you're making money in crime make sure you give some of that money to
02:24:23.680your mother to your other family members so that they like you and and that when you go to prison
02:24:29.420and you have all your money taken from you uh they can still like pay up your commissary and
02:24:35.040other stuff to like keep you keep you well maintained yeah exactly
02:24:41.700because like like there's no reason like a moderate like moderately intelligent like uh
02:24:51.120like reasonably competent guys who like don't have enemies and aren't like
02:24:57.760you know haven't committed like horrifying crimes against children uh there's no reason that like
02:25:03.560those guys should really be that afraid of going to prison like uh
02:25:08.680like when you are to and like i haven't really heard stories from like those those types like
02:25:17.360ross olberg went to prison and like you know he he helped people on their legal cases and he was
02:25:23.840like well liked by the other prisoners what i understand like there's no reason like a moderately
02:25:29.540intelligent person should be having like extended trouble heaven help them if they have to go go
02:25:37.140beyond bars but uh yeah but yeah no we've we've covered a lot we've covered uh the charlie carrick
02:25:43.900assassination we've covered we've covered uh the ancient norms of of hospitality and loyalty we've