Anarchonomicon - Ep 18 Bacha Bazi and the Horrors of Empire w⧸Danny Wolf

00:00:00.000 Hello, glorious listeners.

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00:00:58.500 Now on with the show.

00:01:00.000 They will chain you like Prometheus to a rock where the memory of your own greatness will gnaw you.

00:01:30.000 the battle for the mind of north america will be fought in the video arena the video drone

00:01:39.700 you look around what do you see businessmen teachers lawyers carpenters the very minds of

00:01:46.680 the people we are trying to save but until we do these people are still a part of that system

00:01:51.780 and that makes them our enemy no we're not doing that you're getting called a slur

00:01:58.140 After all, there is nothing real outside our perception of reality, is there?

00:02:05.500 You can see that, can't you?

00:02:07.540 Oh, no. Tribal people, one of their main kinds of sport is sort of butchering each other.

00:02:13.620 It's a full-time sport in tribal societies. 1.00

00:02:16.420 You, my children, are the water. 0.99

00:02:20.200 They will wash away all that has gone before.

00:02:23.180 The gleam in the eye of sense

00:02:27.500 It's very simple

00:02:28.840 The message is

00:02:30.140 Force is more effective than vote

00:02:32.700 Elections change nothing

00:02:34.620 But I had some ideas

00:02:35.780 We got global and tribal 0.99

00:02:37.100 The closer you get together

00:02:39.600 The more you like each other

00:02:40.680 There's no evidence of that

00:02:42.640 In any situation we've ever heard of

00:02:45.320 Major Lennox answered with his life

00:02:47.460 As you should have done

00:02:48.540 If you had any sense of honor

00:02:49.800 You have to understand

00:02:51.240 Most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

00:03:02.060 He who saves a nation violates no law.

00:03:09.380 All forms of violence are a quest for identity.

00:03:13.020 When you live out on the frontier, you have no identity.

00:03:16.940 You're a nobody.

00:03:17.900 Therefore, you get very tough.

00:03:19.240 you have to prove that you are somebody.

00:03:23.420 And so you become very violent. 1.00

00:03:25.360 I'm coming to kill you! 1.00

00:03:27.740 For greater safety, please avoid the English language. 0.99

00:03:34.100 Please do not translate this message.

00:03:38.020 And so identity is always accompanied by violence.

00:03:41.960 This seems paradoxical to you?

00:03:44.480 It works. Violence works.

00:03:47.460 Therefore, television is reality, and reality is less than television.

00:03:54.420 Were you listening to me, Neil?

00:03:56.120 Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? 0.97

00:03:58.600 It's just a grotesque postmodern psyop, and anyone who's fallen for this is brain damaged.

00:04:03.700 Hello, hello, hello, glorious listeners.

00:04:05.660 Welcome to another, well, another episode of the Anarchomon Gone podcast.

00:04:12.340 uh this is probably going to be the darkest episode of the anarchonomicon podcast so far

00:04:20.140 and we haven't really been holding back on topics uh uh if you listen to this podcast with a small

00:04:29.780 children or friends and family a interesting choice but b uh you might want to skip out on

00:04:37.380 that for this episode because this is about as inappropriate as it's going to get but important

00:04:45.040 um i am joined today by danny wolf yet again say hello danny how are you doing i appreciate you

00:04:53.720 having me on the show and danny has has very graciously agreed to talk about probably the

00:05:02.040 darkest topic in the entire history of the war on terror um bacha bazi a boy play in persian is it

00:05:14.460 or something like that uh pashtu in the region but it's common throughout that entire area

00:05:22.420 in um afghanistan pakistan it was uh practiced heavily by the ottoman empire too

00:05:28.000 yeah i remember the name like had some weird linguistic origin like it's not even like

00:05:33.760 like a pashtun words it's like like a pashtun reinterpretation of words from like urdu or like

00:05:40.980 maybe arabic like it's it's spread about and then got out and then returned or something

00:05:48.960 i think it uh it means something like chai boy like a tea boy because they serve tea

00:05:55.060 But it definitely has a different connotation.

00:05:59.980 Yeah.

00:06:01.440 But before we dive into the deep end on that one,

00:06:10.700 refresh our listeners.

00:06:13.320 Tell us about yourself, Danny.

00:06:15.400 Tell us about your experience in GWAT

00:06:18.880 and how you came to be someone that I can interview

00:06:22.660 on this, like, dark chapter of American empire?

00:06:27.360 So, obviously, G-Watt veteran.

00:06:30.500 Last tour was OEF, Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan,

00:06:34.920 about a decade and a half ago.

00:06:38.500 You know, young guy at that time,

00:06:40.360 so all of this kind of really broke me for a while.

00:06:42.980 I spent the last 10-plus years kind of putting the pieces back together.

00:06:47.220 um i've been talking about this topic publicly for well over 10 years probably since i got back

00:06:54.540 from over there um a lot of guys know about it it's usually pretty much seen as cliche as a

00:07:01.020 stereotype among us recently i just replied to someone's tweet about it about a bunch of bazi 1.00

00:07:08.620 a few days ago and i i guess for whatever reason with um all the afghani migrants getting sent to

00:07:16.880 the uk and it being a hot political topic people decide to pay attention finally so ended up going

00:07:23.240 viral i had a bunch of reporters reaching out to me and uh you know there were documentaries done

00:07:29.040 on this that we actually had a reporter embedded while we were over there that did a really good

00:07:33.720 documentary covering the nitty-gritty dark details of this very uh honest journalism surprisingly

00:07:40.340 from vice that didn't hold any punches so a whole bunch of people reached out to me all these big

00:07:46.620 mainstream platforms um but i'd much rather stay within the community and uh talk about that stuff

00:07:54.720 with you and all of our folks out there um it's weird to me because it's something that a lot of

00:08:01.440 us that have served over there are very well aware of but it seems like the average american

00:08:06.900 is just finding out this was a common thing over there and the uh perhaps the the irony of it

00:08:14.440 is that it was mainly our partner forces.

00:08:18.800 That's not to say that it wasn't going on in the Taliban as well.

00:08:22.100 But the Taliban very much were not approving of this practice. 0.83

00:08:28.200 So it was our partner forces primarily doing a lot of the raping and pedophilia, 0.96

00:08:34.580 the Baca Bazi practice, very folks that we had put pretty much in charge of the country over there. 0.52

00:08:41.760 the background on the region that a lot of folks still know about with afghanistan

00:08:46.940 in the 90s you had all of these various tribal warlords these chieftains that ran different

00:08:54.620 provinces and districts in afghanistan and they were all drug lords and warlords they

00:09:02.320 measured their status and how many bachabazi they had how many of these young boys they 0.75

00:09:07.680 kidnap and have as sex slaves so the taliban originally how they were created was a guy named

00:09:15.560 omar got 30 people together with a few ak's and they went to rescue a young girl who had been

00:09:23.300 kidnapped by one of these tribal warlords and they went in they rescued her and because of that

00:09:30.820 the uh the people of afghanistan saw them as heroes they started giving them support and funding

00:09:36.540 and they were able to recruit more guys and the very next thing that they did was saving a young

00:09:43.500 boy who was being fought over by two other warlords and they ended up growing so powerful 0.95

00:09:51.980 as a faction in afghanistan that they were eventually able to help push all of these tribal 0.80

00:09:57.200 chieftains out and uh free the people from an even worse regime than the taliban um you look

00:10:06.640 at a lot of the northern alliance the folks that we put in charge of the government the anas 0.80

00:10:11.460 your afghani national army those guys are all the warlords that the taliban are seen as heroes

00:10:19.600 for defeating in the 90s they're the guys that were killing thousands of civilians

00:10:25.940 without any concern for collateral damage.

00:10:29.920 You know, those are the guys that were going in

00:10:32.240 and kidnapping people's boys and grandkids.

00:10:35.200 So the Taliban were the freedom fighters at that point,

00:10:38.920 seen as heroes because they were defeating these pedophiles.

00:10:42.680 We went in there 2001, shortly after 9-11,

00:10:48.520 to supposedly to go after bin Laden.

00:10:53.060 And the only people in Afghanistan that weren't sympathetic to the Taliban were the Northern Alliance, the same warlords that the Taliban had pushed out in the 90s for being so brutal and ruthless.

00:11:06.960 everyone else majority of the country at least was either part of the taliban or sympathetic to

00:11:14.520 the taliban because i think a lot of the disconnect on the civilian side is americans think that the

00:11:21.640 taliban is like this organization that you have to seek out and join up with a hierarchy and that's

00:11:28.720 not what it is it's it's really just an idea you know if you resist foreign occupation if you put

00:11:34.260 a white flag outside your house, you're Taliban. And most of the population of Afghanistan

00:11:41.420 was either in the Taliban or supporting them with their material or their family member

00:11:48.740 is part of Taliban. So we didn't have a whole lot of options as far as partner forces to

00:11:54.120 choose from. And even though Washington, you know, Pentagon, CIA, DIA were very well aware

00:12:02.340 of the practice of Bajabazi among the partner forces that we were working with,

00:12:08.160 they really just didn't care because the way they looked at it was,

00:12:13.140 who else are we going to partner with against the Taliban in this country?

00:12:18.440 So we would first clear an area out of insurgents of Taliban and try to restore order and peace.

00:12:26.640 and then we would start recruiting for the afghani national army the anas and um local

00:12:35.160 police and militia so like we had these little patrol bases pbs and over time as things settled

00:12:42.020 down we would hand some of these pbs off to the afghani police and anas so that they could

00:12:47.680 operate out of them and we'd supply them with weapons humvees uh toyota trucks you know all 0.98

00:12:55.880 that stuff. And then we would go in as advisors and train them up on how to either operate as an

00:13:02.980 ANA alongside us or train them how to police effectively in the districts and provinces they

00:13:10.640 were operating out of. But they were largely left to their own ends in between us rotating,

00:13:16.740 going out to each one of these PBs to check on these guys and kind of babysit them a little bit,

00:13:21.580 run some ops with them so we started to realize we were young guys then you know 20s early 20s

00:13:29.760 18s some of us so we were more focused on just not getting blown the fuck up and the more that

00:13:37.640 we get to have some one-on-one time with these guys while we're training them up we started

00:13:40.900 noticing things that are just weird just off we started noticing that they'd always have these

00:13:47.560 young boys into pbs so we started to put two and two together and we all started reporting it up

00:13:53.920 the command and we figured you know there's a lot of gray area with the cultural differences here

00:13:59.620 but surely pedophilia is something we can all agree is not allowed and these guys will be held

00:14:05.260 accountable we'll send them off to you know cobble to be put on trial justice will be served

00:14:12.220 no one would ever in certain terms tell us not to report this activity 0.99

00:14:20.840 they cover their own ass they they never wanted to say in front of a bunch of marines 0.76

00:14:27.320 do not report this activity but it was always implied that it's basically going to go nowhere 0.99

00:14:33.500 so you'd report it and then it would go up chain command it would just disappear i don't know where

00:14:38.540 the disconnect was if it was like the field grade level or if it was back in washington or

00:14:44.780 who it was that was sweeping this stuff under the rug but it it never went anywhere some of

00:14:52.220 these guys would disappear for six months on hajj you know religious pilgrimage and then they'd come

00:15:00.740 back and you'd have to give them their job back because there was really nobody else to replace 0.91

00:15:05.920 with nobody wanted to be partnered with us against the taliban you know um

00:15:12.720 i was there shortly after barack obama went on tv and announced we were going to be withdrawing in

00:15:17.920 2014. so the taliban and the people of afghanistan both knew there's a clock counting down and we

00:15:28.160 only have a few years before the americans leave so a lot of the folks that probably would have

00:15:33.760 have partnered up with us and helped us out chose not to because they knew we weren't going to be

00:15:38.580 around much longer um the taliban had a saying over there you know the you americans have the

00:15:44.580 watches but we have the time the idea was that they knew all they had to do was wait us out

00:15:49.340 he kind of really screwed us there by announcing that then which ruined a lot of opportunities we

00:15:55.600 had to uh build rapport with the locals so of course they know well hey the american's gonna 0.61

00:16:01.060 be gone soon so i'm not going to do anything to piss off the taliban because as soon as the

00:16:06.160 americans leave the taliban are just going to come back and take back over and they didn't they 0.61

00:16:10.500 were worried about you know reprisal from helping us but they hated the northern alliance you know 0.96

00:16:17.380 a bunch of bloodthirsty pedophiles so the locals would be just polite enough to us and give us 0.98

00:16:26.200 just enough information for us to basically fuck off and leave him alone and for them to not get 1.00

00:16:32.420 in trouble with the taliban well inadvertently we'd be going around you know doing a patrol 0.99

00:16:38.940 and you'd have this woman come up and just in tears wailing streaking like

00:16:45.420 screaming her head off and she'd start talking to the terp and the terp would start translating it

00:16:51.260 to us that she was begging for our help because her son had been kidnapped by the local PB commander 0.95

00:16:57.400 and that he was sodomizing him. So, of course, that's going to really fuck you up when you're 0.99

00:17:03.220 like 18, 20 years old hearing that and seeing this woman screaming in front of you. And your 0.99

00:17:08.420 whole job to be there in your mind is to make this place better, make it safer, help these people.

00:17:13.500 so we report up the command command to send us out there to check it out well a lot of times they

00:17:22.540 would communicate ahead to let these guys know we were coming so that they knew there was going to

00:17:26.800 be you know convoy vicks coming down the road they don't light us up you know obviously we're

00:17:32.300 the only ones out there in mraps but they would give them a heads up we were coming out so what

00:17:36.640 they would do is just hide the kids they would move them somewhere else or sometimes they would

00:17:41.800 just hollow out a section of mud brick wall and stuff them in there and uh gag them so they

00:17:47.760 wouldn't make noise um they'd get really creative and just strip all of the uh defensive measures

00:17:56.800 around the perimeter all the seawire and everything and they'd scrap it in the bazaar for money for 0.99

00:18:02.080 more uh heroin because they're all fucking high all the anas and ap's were always nodding off 0.98

00:18:08.780 high as hell on opium so they would um strip all the c wire and stuff down because they knew that 0.99

00:18:16.380 meant we couldn't stay the night there with them the rule that the command would put out at least 0.52

00:18:21.320 my command i don't know how this was you know country one but my command said no miners in the

00:18:27.160 pb overnight essentially um our command knew that they couldn't enforce not having miners in the pb

00:18:38.160 at all it was like they understood that it was going to happen anyway so they made this half-assed

00:18:43.580 sort of band-aid solution where the pb commanders could have minors in the pb that weren't related

00:18:51.840 to them that were definitely sex slaves as long as they didn't spend the night with them

00:18:57.000 well pb commanders got hip to this after we told them that and they just started making sure that

00:19:03.180 we couldn't stay the night so they would keep the kids somewhere else while we were there in the

00:19:07.440 daytime teaching these guys how to you know train them up on on how to do their job and then we'd

00:19:14.340 have to boogie back out back to rpb or back to a fob when uh started getting dark because you know

00:19:20.740 they've purposely removed all the defensive measures around their perimeter so that we can't

00:19:25.220 stay and we'd go in there while we're training them and while this is going on and while we're

00:19:32.200 reporting them for being pedophiles all the gear and materials that we're providing them with you

00:19:38.780 know taxpayer funded stuff weapons vehicles they're stripping all this stuff down and selling 0.98

00:19:45.840 the parts in the bazaar for money for more fucking heroin and we'd report that too and the command 0.75

00:19:52.840 would sweep that under the rug and keep providing them with more so like you'd give them a toyota 0.96

00:19:57.960 truck maybe two or three toyota trucks to patrol out of and within a few weeks they'd be down to

00:20:05.400 one and the other two would be completely stripped no transmission no engine and no wheels and you'd

00:20:11.960 report it but the command would keep sending them fuel and oil and uh money to do maintenance on

00:20:19.240 those other two vics even though they were completely inoperable and this was just everything

00:20:25.800 Every single PB was doing some kind of scam or scheme like this.

00:20:32.060 There was, you know, some decent PB commanders that were all right.

00:20:37.160 There's some decent ANAs. 0.99

00:20:39.980 But it seemed, at least in my experience in the area where I was at, the majority of them were all scammers and pedophiles. 1.00

00:20:46.180 Half of them would play both sides and either snitch to the Taliban so we'd get ambushed. 0.85

00:20:53.800 or they'd shoot you in the back on post you know the guys that were more in the rear

00:20:59.040 would be on post with an a and a and they would never turn their back on them because we had

00:21:05.040 several marines get shot in the back by a and a's a lot of the guys in the rear were asking to come

00:21:09.880 up to the pbs because they figured at least if they're on patrol they get an opportunity to shoot 0.96

00:21:15.440 back but if you're stuck on watch with an a and a that wants to kill you you know that's more 0.90

00:21:22.360 dangerous than maybe stepping on an ID. So we had all this going on. We're sending all these reports 1.00

00:21:29.660 up and nothing would ever come of it. You know, I didn't have very much rank, so it wasn't like I

00:21:35.040 could circle back on it, so to speak. And, you know, I'm not going to go in and bug my platoon

00:21:40.240 sergeant and piss him off about reports of stuff going on when we got mass CASVACs happening and

00:21:48.240 we're getting troops in contact on a regular basis but we keep reporting because we figured

00:21:54.240 at least you know maybe eventually the the wheels will get turning we'll see some results coming

00:21:58.820 out of this and if nothing else we're going to be the thorn in the command side that keeps 0.99

00:22:05.380 hammering on this and doesn't relent doesn't let up like we want to just roll out there and fuck 0.99

00:22:11.540 these guys up you know you're raping kids we got to the point where at least towards the end of 0.99

00:22:17.900 deployment and definitely after i got out of the marine corps i hated the partner forces more than 0.97

00:22:22.300 the taliban like i started to see the taliban as the lesser of the two evils so we wanted to go out

00:22:29.260 and just commit violence on these guys and uh you know your hands are tied behind your back

00:22:36.460 you're you're actually more at risk of you know getting court-martialed for beating the 0.99

00:22:45.020 the shit out of a pedophile over there than you are for collateral damage so whether it was 0.96

00:22:55.780 i was gonna say i i was researching this uh not too extensively but a fair fair bit before this 0.98

00:23:06.980 episode and we do have there are cases uh there's this one i found in the new york times where uh

00:23:13.740 green berets a uh a decorated army sergeant who had a he had the um i'll say the bronze star the 0.99

00:23:24.420 distinguished service star like uh he was he was highly decorated yeah yeah and he whooped the shit 0.74

00:23:32.840 out of one of them and he got screwed for that yeah he and a captain uh wound up beating the 0.97

00:23:41.080 crap out of one of them because well obviously that's what you did that's what a sane person

00:23:46.900 would do and uh in 2016 who's finally allowed back in the military uh yeah he got after a public 0.98

00:23:56.280 outcry but he got raked over the coals hard if i remember the specifics of that one i want to say 0.98

00:24:03.760 that the afghani that he beat the shit out of was raping a little boy on a u.s post 1.00

00:24:11.080 that was the fucking audacity that they had they wouldn't do that around us they weren't stupid 1.00

00:24:17.460 they would do it in the pbs that they were operating out of but in that instance if i'm 0.99

00:24:24.260 remembering the story right the facts of this i want to say it happened on a coalition forces

00:24:30.020 installation so like i think they were actually you know hearing the boys screaming and it was 0.78

00:24:38.860 kind of a heat of the moment thing you know and he beat the shit out of the guy you know i wish 0.98

00:24:45.440 he'd killed him but i know he'd still be in leavenworth if he had but he beat the shit out 0.97

00:24:50.060 of that guy and then he got raked over the coals for it and made an example out of partly because 0.95

00:24:56.280 i want to say he was either green beret or delta and i know they made an example out of him

00:25:01.380 and really screwed him over good but i think he uh he got uh acquitted or something later down

00:25:08.920 the road i don't remember the specifics of it but um that was a big case back when i was in

00:25:14.800 so that was one of the things that they'd hang over your head you know if you if you're going 0.76

00:25:18.920 to go out there and do some vigilante shit they're going to make sure that you went to the brig 0.95

00:25:22.880 that court marbled yes he would he was green beret with bronze star i'm reading the uh 0.98

00:25:31.200 the article right now uh new york times article from 2016 but uh you're saying that uh americans

00:25:39.080 really had no conception this is going on this is one of the things that uh because as you said

00:25:45.200 like you had a vice reporter embedded with you um i there's a vice documentary in 2013

00:25:52.400 this is what winning looks like by ben anderson and there was a that's the one there's a i tell

00:25:58.280 everyone to watch that every american um every westerner really should watch that it's the only

00:26:05.520 thing that i've seen come out that's completely objective just honest journalism nothing clipped

00:26:13.260 out of context no bias but the uh the reporter that did that project through vice he uh he knew

00:26:21.380 how to ask hard questions um to the command to the locals to uh us and uk ambassadors that came

00:26:29.200 out there he was asking some really pointed questions he knew how to get people's guard

00:26:33.840 down and then hit them with a really good question so he did a good job of that

00:26:38.180 and he just presented it as is raw um that's one that i think everyone should watch is this is what

00:26:46.860 winning looks like and there's a there's a marine in in that documentary uh major steuben who uh

00:26:53.660 he was in charge of uh the mps that were helping teach the afghani local police how to do the basics

00:27:02.620 of policing there's there's some stuff in that documentary that's pretty tough to watch but it's

00:27:08.300 It's really enlightening, and watching Major Steuben struggle to pull it together while he's talking about all the pedophilia going on and how he's been trying to handle it and nothing comes out of it, it really encapsulates what all of us are struggling with over there.

00:27:27.460 and uh you can see that the man is you know really trying not to break down and he's trying

00:27:33.280 to be professional but he's uh he's also being a lot more candid probably in the command would

00:27:38.160 have cared for and he talks about a lot of the same things that i'm covering right now

00:27:42.180 that's been out for uh over a decade now and uh there's been a new york times stories about this

00:27:49.760 i think there's been a few books so it's really weird a lot of my veteran friends and i've been 0.86

00:27:54.460 discussed in this the last few days because we've been talking about this shit for 15 20 years and 0.60

00:28:00.240 nobody cared until they could politicize it you know because the very people that are going to 0.98

00:28:06.180 the uk right now those 20 000 um migrants those are all coalition partner forces those are all

00:28:15.580 your A&As and APs and your Terps, and a lot of them, our Northern Alliance, are the same guys 0.75

00:28:24.920 that have got to Bazi, the same pedophiles that make the Taliban look less evil by comparison. 0.92

00:28:33.840 That you would literally be safer having Taliban immigrate to the UK than these guys. 0.94

00:28:40.380 and uh so it's weird to us that it's finally big news and it sucks because in a way that kind of

00:28:47.820 identifies that there are a lot of people who are very political they didn't really care about what

00:28:54.600 was happening to these little boys until they could use it for their politics but it is what

00:29:00.180 it is you know that's that's how some folks are a lot of people i think just uh never got exposed

00:29:05.460 to it um a lot of guys even in our spaces in the political spectrum they're pissed off hearing

00:29:12.620 about this stuff and they've never had anyone on the news talking about it you know if you if you

00:29:19.040 didn't have a close friend or relative that served over there in that time period to tell you about

00:29:25.540 it it's not like we're going to go out to the bar and talk about this stuff but when we get around

00:29:31.080 our family or another vet you know the the topic will inevitably come up at some point

00:29:37.320 um yeah i don't know for me that was the hardest part of the deployment a lot of guys talk about

00:29:47.800 having ptsd from watching their buddies die from having to kill people i became a marine to kill

00:29:55.720 people that was our job you know the army is there to occupy and stabilize the marines are 0.99

00:30:01.920 there to fucking kill people that was my job kill bad guys we all watched 9-11 when i was in high 1.00

00:30:07.780 school we we all got really pissed off and we wanted to go hurt somebody fuck them up so it 0.99

00:30:15.040 wouldn't happen again and that's why most of us joined up so that stuff's never bothered me i've 0.99

00:30:20.680 never lost any sleep over killing bad guys. That was the real reason I went there. But a lot of

00:30:29.440 guys, and myself included, struggle with the other stuff that we saw over there. The stuff that

00:30:35.460 we couldn't stop from happening to these little kids. That's the stuff that really broke a lot

00:30:42.640 And I think the per capita, if you were to look into the statistics of it, OEF probably had a much higher suicide and PTSD rate than OIF than Iraq because of this.

00:30:59.560 you know you go out there working around pedophiles day in day out you report it

00:31:06.120 and your command in washington the government that you're supposed to respect and look up to

00:31:11.920 sweeps under the rug you know how's that supposed to make you feel as a young 18 19 20 year old kid 0.98

00:31:19.740 you know it'll really fuck you up first in the heart and then in the head so then you come home

00:31:27.060 you try to square that circle with what you had to be complicit to and it doesn't align with your 0.82

00:31:35.780 moral compass you know that's where a lot of the ptsd and mental health comes from it's not so much

00:31:41.700 from doing your job and losing friends that stuff's tough and it uh definitely sucks but

00:31:48.960 i think a lot of the guys more of what it is is struggling with the fact that we were partnered 1.00

00:31:54.700 with fucking pedophiles 1.00

00:31:56.120 and that's not an easy thing to admit 1.00

00:31:58.900 and talk to people about

00:32:00.080 because it completely subverts

00:32:03.120 the purpose of the mission

00:32:04.320 it kills any kind of

00:32:06.980 patriotic duty that you can excuse

00:32:09.280 for why you went over there

00:32:10.820 and it's not like

00:32:13.220 Iraq where some of the

00:32:15.320 people were happy we were there

00:32:16.640 some of them felt like they were being liberated

00:32:19.160 the Kurds

00:32:21.320 obviously were very happy that we went

00:32:23.240 to Iraq 0.81

00:32:24.700 they were being systematically wiped out by saddam um it's the irony is we went to iraq 0.94

00:32:33.340 for a reason we went to iraq for wmds we knew they didn't have all so that we could topple a 0.63

00:32:41.660 regime that israel didn't want in their backyard it had nothing to do with 9-11 it was just an

00:32:47.340 excuse and then afghanistan the country that we actually had a purpose to be there allegedly 0.96

00:32:54.700 to find bin laden he wasn't even in the country so we're in afghanistan we bomb 0.51

00:33:01.660 the two cities into dust you know kabul and pandar probably so that we can make a bunch 1.00

00:33:07.900 of money on reconstruction and then we go out and we lose all these guys in this pointless meat 1.00

00:33:15.980 grinder in helman province and all the other hot spots and for what so that you can put a

00:33:25.820 bunch of pedophiles in charge of the country you know and and the distinction between the two

00:33:31.580 different conflicts is very night and day because like iraq was a very kinetic area where you would 0.91

00:33:39.500 would have a lot of gunfights and afghanistan you know you'd be walking through waist deep canals

00:33:46.820 and all of a sudden the guy in front of you his legs flying through the air you can't hear anymore

00:33:54.060 and he's drowning in this canal because he stepped on an ied

00:33:58.700 canal can you can you just describe uh this environment because a lot of a lot of people

00:34:06.640 picture afghanistan and they're just picturing uh you know endless desert in arizona from a movie

00:34:14.220 whereas afghanistan's closer to like uh parts of utah or colorado than it would be to say

00:34:24.700 nevada you know so like iraq looks like the moon you know just sand and dust in every direction

00:34:33.680 Afghanistan is a high desert.

00:34:37.640 It's an arid desert with a high elevation.

00:34:40.860 It's very mountainous.

00:34:42.380 There's parts of it that are wooded.

00:34:44.540 The area we were in had a lot of canals that the farmers were using.

00:34:49.080 It was weird.

00:34:49.680 It looked just like the little rice paddy canals that you see in Vietnam War movies. 0.99

00:34:57.240 And we would be wading through that shit, trying to cross an area. 0.99

00:35:01.560 and it would be littered with IEDs so we'd have a guy in the front who would sweep for IEDs 0.99

00:35:08.840 and didn't always pick them all up because they were all made with various different materials

00:35:14.440 some of them were leftover Soviet mines that had been disassembled and then put back together

00:35:20.560 and frankensteined and then we would all try to walk right in the footsteps of the guy in front of

00:35:28.460 you because that was the only thing that you could trust is being clear and the vast majority

00:35:37.880 of our casualties was from IEDs you know even a guy just barely turning to signal a halt might

00:35:43.980 clip an IED with his toe and set it off and a lot of times there'd be multiple IEDs in one area or

00:35:49.860 daisy chain together and the few firefights you would get into would usually be an ambush that

00:35:56.400 would follow after you'd trigger an IED and take casualties so it's pretty hard to have morale in

00:36:05.280 that situation as you're just walking around patrolling and losing guys to IEDs to someone

00:36:12.600 that you'll probably never see you can't just go kill the guy that killed your buddy just some 0.94

00:36:18.640 random bomb maker placed that and best case scenario you take some pot shots and maybe you 0.99

00:36:25.820 You get to call IDFs, you know, mortars or artillery on their position and kill somebody.

00:36:32.800 But any sense of like retribution or justice is pretty much gone because you're not getting into close contact with these guys.

00:36:42.980 There's a very demoralizing war.

00:36:45.120 It's a war of attrition.

00:36:46.120 They would wear us down. 0.92

00:36:46.980 and then you'd be out there with partner forces watching them just fuck everything up

00:36:54.300 and a lot of them didn't want to be there they just wanted the money

00:36:59.480 sometimes they they wouldn't get out of the vehicles and we'd pull up somewhere and that's

00:37:07.460 how we knew we were about to get ambushed because they'd tipped the taliban off and then you know 0.95

00:37:13.880 that half of them are pedophiles or if they're not pedophiles they're rapists or they're strong 0.97

00:37:20.100 arming the locals you know the APs and ANAs some of them would shake down the locals and steal all 0.98

00:37:25.680 their stuff just strong arm robbery and on the side of the road right in front of you and you'd 0.84

00:37:31.920 be screaming at them and what a little bit of past due you knew and and having the terpia on 0.99

00:37:36.060 them and they just didn't give a fuck because they know you can't do anything you're a dog with a lot 0.99

00:37:40.000 of bark and not a whole lot of bite um so you'd watch them robbing civilians you'd watch them 0.99

00:37:50.740 arresting people that you knew weren't Taliban they knew weren't Taliban but it was someone that

00:37:55.420 they had a previous feud with so now that they have the power to detain people that they think

00:38:00.740 are Taliban well they abused that they would just arrest anyone that pissed them off or that they

00:38:05.560 didn't like even their own family if they had a dispute with them

00:38:10.000 and you can't really teach these people uh higher concepts like miranda writes probable cause you

00:38:18.720 know they're all illiterate and they're basically living somewhere around you know a mixture of of

00:38:26.080 uh bronze age and victorian period technology and culture here so you try to explain to someone who 0.94

00:38:34.480 can't read can't write and is is living as if it's hundreds of years ago that you can't just arrest

00:38:42.480 someone that's related to the taliban you have to actually have evidence that they themselves are

00:38:48.480 taliban and they can't grasp these concepts because they operate on a feudal system

00:38:55.440 so a lot of these tribes out in rural parts of afghanistan if i run over your dog 0.98

00:39:01.760 i have till sunset to either replace your dog with a new dog or let you kill my dog or we have a blood 0.72

00:39:09.520 feud between all of my people and all your people and if that happens then any person in your family 1.00

00:39:20.000 that i come across i'm just going to kill them even if they had nothing to do with it 1.00

00:39:26.400 so northern alliance and the taliban would both take advantage of this 0.97

00:39:31.760 These young boys that would be kidnapped and sodomized by the PB commanders in the ANAs, a lot of times they would run away, and they're going to run off to the Taliban because that's the only group that is not going to bring them right back to the PB commander, and the Taliban were actually safer because they didn't condone the practice of Bajabazi.

00:39:56.100 that they'd run off, join the Taliban. 0.87

00:39:59.140 Taliban would use that to their advantage, 0.68

00:40:01.900 give them an AK, 1.00

00:40:03.540 say, hey, that guy that was raping you in the ass every night, 1.00

00:40:06.920 let's go kill him. 1.00

00:40:08.860 Well, they'd plan it for when we were going to be there. 1.00

00:40:12.260 So that kid would be shooting at the A&Es or the APs,

00:40:17.200 and then he'd get lit up by us. 0.95

00:40:20.220 And then his whole family would join the Taliban 0.97

00:40:23.480 because we killed their kid. 0.99

00:40:26.100 You know, their kid who got kidnapped and raped got killed. 1.00

00:40:31.180 Yeah, it's a really fucked up situation. 1.00

00:40:34.000 And it sucked watching Kabul fall when Biden did that disaster withdrawal. 0.99

00:40:44.660 But then I thought about it later and I thought, you know what? 0.99

00:40:48.080 The Taliban can't be any worse than the pedophiles we left in charge of the country. 0.98

00:40:52.700 so at least 1.00

00:40:54.900 you know women's rights

00:40:57.260 obviously won't be great under the Taliban regime 0.83

00:40:59.560 but it'd be a lot less 1.00

00:41:01.220 boy fuckers in charge of the country 1.00

00:41:02.900 so I can see that at least as a win 1.00

00:41:05.020 it's really weird

00:41:07.180 with a few years of age

00:41:11.280 to look back on some of these things

00:41:12.960 I think it's part of why

00:41:15.380 a lot of the young guys today

00:41:17.120 that ask me about enlisting

00:41:18.840 I try to talk them out of it

00:41:20.020 um you know if i went back in time i would do it all over again if for no other reason that then

00:41:27.840 so that nobody else would have to experience it but if i was 18 years old today i wouldn't enlist

00:41:33.820 knowing what i know now about the american government and the way things have changed and

00:41:40.400 a lot of the the lies that we've been fed there's no way i would serve this country today if i was

00:41:47.320 18 years old so yeah it's i would say that was the catalyst for a lot of us becoming libertarians

00:41:56.820 and then shifting further and further right you find out that your government is putting pedophiles 0.98

00:42:02.840 in charge and then covering up the fact that they're kidnapping and raping boys 0.96

00:42:07.640 then you lose all faith in it and you start to question what else did they lie to me about

00:42:14.620 So I think a lot of the reason why you have so many vets in the fringes on the far right is the guys from OEF.

00:42:25.340 They went over to Afghanistan, went over to Iraq, saw all this stuff and started to re-examine history.

00:42:33.620 Because if they're fine with covering up mass sexual assault and enslavement of little boys...

00:42:44.620 You know, what else are they getting up to?

00:42:47.420 And, of course, later on, we find out about the Epstein scandal and all that stuff, the list that you and I will never see.

00:42:56.280 So I think it served as sort of an inflection point for a lot of us when we got back and had some time to decompress and process all this stuff.

00:43:04.320 yeah so it this kind of brings it to a point that i want to explore throughout this pod

00:43:15.680 podcast which is uh bacha bazi is like probably the most well-documented uh like

00:43:24.060 wide number of sources like barely concealed example of this um the documentary this is what

00:43:32.920 winning looks like uh is up on youtube it's an hour and a half i will include in the show notes

00:43:38.480 to this episode the link to it but uh there are articles everywhere about this the wikipedia page

00:43:46.300 on botch of aussie is extensive this was actually incredibly well documented during the war in

00:43:52.960 afghanistan it however it was not reported uh in any way with any urgency so there's

00:44:03.520 this is kind of the trick for like a lot of the the news and whatnot that uh all the dark

00:44:11.680 secrets of the empire although the vast majority of it does get reported in some way shape or form

00:44:18.080 or gets reported in a way that leaves out the story but acknowledges the events that happen

00:44:23.240 around it, then you have to piece it together yourself. But something like Bacha Bazi,

00:44:29.360 this was fully documented, like the extent of it. There was an estimate in 2016 that something like

00:44:37.120 10% of the boys in Afghanistan had been subjected to it, or 10% of the boys in the areas they

00:44:44.580 surveyed that this was shockingly extensive and known to be extensive and of course it was not

00:44:50.740 debated on like cnn or any of like the news talk shows you know you know uh there are like multiple

00:44:57.040 news networks on cable there are 24-hour news networks that never discuss this once because

00:45:03.600 of course their job is to to reinforce a narrative in context that suits regime not to actually

00:45:11.060 inform their audiences at all this is this is part of the reason why they valued vice so highly and

00:45:16.640 bought it out for so much was because vice in its golden age of like 2009 to like 2014-ish

00:45:26.600 was actually like doing real reporting and that was actually fairly threatening to uh the state

00:45:34.380 of the american regime so of course they had to inflate its valuation to billions so they could

00:45:38.920 buy it out and turn it into what Vice is now, which is basically like BuzzFeed, only worse.

00:45:50.540 But the dramatic thing about all this is that while this was incredibly well documented

00:46:00.400 in Afghanistan, despite many Americans only finding out about this now, this is a consistent

00:46:07.220 pattern of uh the american empire and like uh nato in general so uh if you look at northern ireland

00:46:16.080 there was the king k boys home scandal where it where now it's like still somewhat debated but

00:46:23.660 it's pretty much a public record that uh mi5 and like the british intelligence services

00:46:30.940 were just permitting a home for orphaned boys

00:46:36.760 to be used as a brothel for pedophiles.

00:46:43.060 And this was how they were maintaining control in Northern Ireland. 0.98

00:46:48.420 And this is how they were rewarding and recruiting pedophiles

00:46:53.600 to run the government of Northern Ireland.

00:46:56.700 And you can see this in the Epstein case where networks were doing the exact same thing to subvert the US government.

00:47:09.840 That one, people will debate that case more because it's like, it actually is shockingly documented.

00:47:18.660 But people, again, haven't seen the documentation and has been, like, heavily suppressed from mainstream discussion.

00:47:28.120 You see other networks like this.

00:47:31.420 Nixxiom, the Marterta Dutro scandal in Belgium is suspected to be this.

00:47:38.240 You see stuff like this with Rothrum, where it has come out that, like, local police and, like, councils and, like, lots of people associated with British politics were raping the girls who were victims in the Rothrum grooming gangs.

00:47:55.740 And you have stuff like Jimmy Saville in London, who was doing the same thing to little boys and like might have had over a thousand victims of like British boys who had been like trafficked by this prominent British political figure.

00:48:12.340 And you can see this long track record of exactly this in war zones and in like what's what's supposed to be peace of NATO and Western countries using pedophilia and sex trafficking of enslaved children to maintain control in areas and to recruit assets.

00:48:36.520 and you can see this going back to Vietnam is maybe the most traumatic one and this one doesn't

00:48:45.320 get discussed a lot but there was were insane levels of human trafficking during the Vietnam

00:48:50.840 War. I saw numbers that estimated the hundreds of thousands of women were trafficked during the

00:48:57.960 Vietnam War and to the point where the U.S. military was like pretty openly complicit in it

00:49:05.180 And this is how they were compensating various allied actors.

00:49:12.640 And each of these, a person might debate one or the other.

00:49:21.240 But on the whole, there is this massive pattern of this occurring across America's war zones.

00:49:29.320 And the question is, why?

00:49:30.980 And it seems that there are several different explanations, and one can speculate about various criminal networks being networked right into American government or various sexual minorities actively encouraging this kind of behavior.

00:49:53.900 At the same time Bacha Bazi was occurring, there was millions, potentially billions, being spent on LGBTQ in Afghanistan.

00:50:04.980 And they're actually plays and stuff trying to romanticize Bacha Bazi that almost certainly received government grant funding that were trying to, like, interpret it as, like, a genderqueer thing of Afghanistan and trying to whitewash it. 0.54

00:50:24.700 But probably the most dramatic thing that you see across all of these is recruiting pedophiles and sexual perverts and sex traffickers is the fastest way to recruit people who do not have political demands. 0.73

00:50:44.060 They're so compromised and pliable. 0.88

00:50:46.920 exactly and usually if you go into a country and you want to to uh change the regime or you want

00:50:57.820 to create a political order or you want to reinforce a political order that's cumbly

00:51:02.440 any map gamer can tell you this any like uh anyone who played like civilization or hearts

00:51:10.420 of iron 4 or like any map game in history anyone who's read a history book can tell you that

00:51:15.100 this. If you go into a country that's crumbling or doesn't have a political order or doesn't

00:51:20.000 or that doesn't work, usually the first thing you have to do to make it work is you have

00:51:25.560 to change the politics. Like you have to really aggressively assess your political vision

00:51:32.800 and say, okay, this political vision isn't working. We have to change what we are doing.

00:51:40.160 We have to change how we're incentivizing different groups, which groups we're rewarding, which groups we aren't rewarding, who we're putting in charge, who we're not putting in charge.

00:51:50.340 And, of course, America and Britain, both in Northern Ireland and in now the rest of Britain, and America in Vietnam, and America in Iraq, and America in Afghanistan.

00:52:05.220 in the consistent thing that nato can never do is it can never make these calculations it can never

00:52:10.560 make a political change it can never you know forge alliances that give real political concessions

00:52:17.640 because of course the ultimately everything that the the uh that liberal democracy that's what

00:52:29.300 we'll call the post-45 regimes, everything a liberal democracy does has to implement the

00:52:36.520 exact same political program. You know, you need girls schools in Afghanistan, you need LGBTQ 0.95

00:52:41.100 programs in Afghanistan, you need democracy in Afghanistan, and you need a massive bureaucracy

00:52:49.120 in Afghanistan. You need to recreate all the things that like actually don't work that well

00:52:54.740 in america to be in with and you need to recreate them in a place where

00:52:59.060 where none of these institutions on their own can work and all of them immediately contradict each

00:53:06.460 other you're going to have lgbtq programs administered by bureaucracy staffed by illiterate 0.99

00:53:13.960 afghans and have a democracy in which the afghans normally are supposed to be able to vote on this 0.89

00:53:20.360 and say no to this, allegedly.

00:53:23.520 And, of course, all that is contradictory and doesn't work,

00:53:26.400 but all of it has to be implemented

00:53:28.380 because the American regime and the American public

00:53:32.300 and the American bureaucracy all demands it.

00:53:35.560 And the narratives are so strong

00:53:42.240 and the institutional demands are so strong

00:53:45.220 that you can't make any political concessions.

00:53:50.360 America could not go into Afghanistan and say, oh, we're going to formalize a system of tribal warlords.

00:53:58.340 We're going to reaffirm this in a way that actually, like, moves you up the civilizational structure.

00:54:04.140 And we're going to give you guys, like, heraldry and, like, hold fast. 0.98

00:54:09.660 And we're going to make you a landed gentry that is, like, highly responsible to your local populations. 0.93

00:54:15.460 relations uh you know you can't recreate like 16th century england or something because of 1.00

00:54:23.060 course that'd be an immediate rebuke to the american elite and the american way of doing

00:54:28.600 things what do you mean we can't implement a constitutional republic in afghanistan so

00:54:34.400 immediately you have to implement all these contradictions that like just kind of barely

00:54:40.040 work in like american europe in afghanistan or vietnam uh you can't just create a military

00:54:48.880 dictatorship around like the few people who are like are actually doing a decent job and

00:54:53.580 centralized authority in them you can't you can't create a a functional theocracy you can't do any

00:55:01.060 of the things that uh the british empire would do in a heartbeat uh if they looked at the country

00:55:07.880 and saw that as like, oh, this is obviously the institution that would govern this place, you know.

00:55:13.120 The British were happy to install a Republican system, a local colonial parliament, a monarchy, a theocracy, a network of, like, principalities.

00:55:29.320 the british and the french and and all the 19th century empires were very stable because they

00:55:35.900 could just select the system of governance and like the institutions that would would work

00:55:43.780 whereas the the post 45 liberal liberal democratic order is dead set on imposing

00:55:53.040 the exact systems that will work. So Vietnam has to be a democracy, but also has to keep the

00:56:01.660 Catholic minority in charge, but also has to remain loyal to the U.S. at a time when like 0.91

00:56:07.240 80% of the population are like communist-leaning Buddhists. But it has to still be like nominally 0.93

00:56:14.700 run as a democracy because you have to say to the American public that you're fighting for

00:56:20.420 democracy in vietnam so you wind up with all these contradictions and how do you paper over

00:56:24.680 those contradictions how do you recruit people to this mess of a system that's like supplying

00:56:30.200 no political outcomes that anyone wants how do you recruit people to reinforce you know the

00:56:37.300 dysfunctional british government in northern ireland that like even the loyalist paramilitaries

00:56:42.640 are complaining about and like having standoffs with how do you how do you get people to reinforce

00:56:48.860 Of course, the council of Rothrum, you just recruit the worst of the worst that will, like, that have no political demands. 0.99

00:56:58.880 They just want drugs and, you know, children to rape. 0.62

00:57:04.000 See, the thing is, with capitalism, but with our entire global economy, there have to be more losers than winners for the math to work out. 0.96

00:57:15.980 it's very easy to appeal to the worst elements of society

00:57:21.480 because everyone who's doing better than them is already their enemy

00:57:25.860 they're already envious of them so all you really have to do

00:57:29.600 is pit them against the people that they're envious of

00:57:33.960 and channel that resentment and you can see how that's being done

00:57:39.760 in western politics how the left works that to their advantage over and over

00:57:45.160 um the thing that a lot of westerners don't understand about muslims is that they don't

00:57:53.180 want democracy they hate it it's a it's a foreign european idea that they feel like it's being

00:58:01.280 forced upon them at the barrel of a gun if they had their way and they were able to establish

00:58:07.080 a popular majority in a western nation they would quickly overthrow the government and change it 0.91

00:58:15.160 from being a democracy to something else democracy does not mesh well with sharia

00:58:22.300 or the teachings of muhammad and uh you can get a lot of muslims that have a conversation pretty 0.95

00:58:30.580 candidly with you about this um a lot of people i spoke to in country over there they didn't want

00:58:37.360 democracy. And they certainly didn't want democracy forced upon them where the U.S.

00:58:44.400 picked two candidates that both they knew that they could control because they were puppets,

00:58:49.600 probably compromised and blackmailed too. They got to have a vote, the illusion of choice,

00:58:56.360 but it was between two puppets. They were both weak and nobody respected them, which is part 0.91

00:59:03.320 reason why the taliban were able to steamroll into kandahar and kabul so fast um 1.00

00:59:11.960 democracy is completely antithetical to islam 1.00

00:59:17.400 so they'll come into your country to get the opportunities and to get the subsidies and 1.00

00:59:23.400 they'll bring their 18 kids so when you bring in one of these refugees from afghanistan like the 1.00

00:59:30.440 20 000 going to the uk people don't understand you need to put like a zero on the end of that 1.00

00:59:36.120 because every single one of them is going to probably have at least 10 dependents

00:59:40.000 they're going to have their wife and then their 10 kids so if you bring 20 000 of them into your

00:59:46.900 country you're actually bringing 200 000 of them into your country and who knows how many of the 0.94

00:59:53.580 older boys they have are also pedophiles um you know pakistan the practice of bacha bazi is very

01:00:02.520 rampant in pakistan as well it's very common it's actually lessened extremely in afghanistan 0.55

01:00:10.500 in the areas where the taliban maintained control it's probably still pretty bad in more of the rural

01:00:16.140 tribal areas but in the in the cities and areas where the taliban has lots of checkpoints and

01:00:21.780 It has lots of people out there working as militias and cops.

01:00:27.680 It's safer than it was under the regime the U.S. installed.

01:00:32.040 But you go across the border into Pakistan,

01:00:33.900 and you can even see this stuff on a lot of the social media

01:00:37.220 that comes out of the Middle East.

01:00:40.700 You can see it on Al Jazeera.

01:00:43.600 It's extremely common practice.

01:00:46.200 It's the whole region.

01:00:48.020 The Ottoman Empire, for those who are really into history, 0.87

01:00:50.760 one of their practices after they conquered you

01:00:54.000 is you would pay a tithe every year

01:00:56.460 and young boys 1.00

01:00:57.180 you know they'd go into like Bulgaria

01:00:59.760 because that was part of the

01:01:03.160 former Byzantine Roman Empire

01:01:05.400 that the Ottomans defeated 0.54

01:01:07.060 they would go to Bulgaria every year 0.98

01:01:10.080 and harvest boys that 1.00

01:01:12.180 would please the masters back in Istanbul

01:01:16.380 as young as seven years old

01:01:19.900 and they'd bring them all the way back and train them to be 0.98

01:01:24.340 you know, jesters and entertainers but also to be sex slaves 0.96

01:01:28.720 and this was very common in the Ottoman Empire

01:01:31.680 which lasted all the way up until, what, the end of World War II

01:01:35.780 you know, T.E. Lawrence

01:01:38.800 1918

01:01:40.000 yes, right, collapsed around the end of World War I 0.99

01:01:44.160 and then after that it was the Turks

01:01:46.260 but uh you know lawrence of arabia t.e lawrence even deals with how common sodomy and rape was

01:01:54.220 in the ottomans when he was waging war against them uh this was the whole region but um strangely 0.99

01:02:01.940 enough not as much practiced in iran the persians don't seem to be as on board with the boy fucking 0.86

01:02:09.280 um but in afghanistan pakistan all the areas that are predominantly sending migrants to the uk and 0.99

01:02:17.400 canada yeah probably i don't know one out of every four is a pedophile and and that's being

01:02:25.380 conservative yes um t.e lawrence has a quite disturbing description of this right at the

01:02:33.780 start of uh seven pillars of wisdom that uh it don't listen to seven pillars of wisdom on audiobook

01:02:41.620 you do not want to listen to an old british man whisper that passage into your ear i made this

01:02:48.600 mistake uh myself i had to shut it off and i never finished the audiobook because uh that passage is

01:02:55.740 vastly too long to listen to some 75 year old british man whisper it but uh they're very

01:03:03.260 descriptive too but the rest of the book is definitely a must read i read that 15 years ago

01:03:10.620 because it seemed like it would have some parallels to where i was getting ready to deploy to

01:03:15.720 i read that in dune when i was getting ready to go on my last deployment um but yeah he spoke about

01:03:24.220 it very very descriptively in that book and uh a lot of guys fighting against the ottomans would

01:03:32.340 save one round in their rifle or their revolver so they can kill themselves so that they wouldn't

01:03:37.200 get raped to death by the Ottomans if they got captured. So it's been a very common practice 0.97

01:03:42.960 for centuries, you know, probably going back 1,500 years in the region. And it's still extremely

01:03:53.460 common in Pakistan. So a lot of the folks in the UK, they're starting to get up in arms over all

01:03:59.640 these migrants i don't think they understand the majority of the migrants that they've been

01:04:04.260 bringing into their country for decades now are these very same people they're the people that

01:04:10.200 make the taliban look like the good guys because while the taliban are brutal with their enforcement 0.95

01:04:19.740 of syria and they'll cut your head off if you break their raw their laws the people that you're 0.94

01:04:27.000 bringing into the uk and into canada and into australia are pedophiles and for some reason 0.97

01:04:34.960 that gets glazed over in not only the news but in a lot of the social media discussion on this

01:04:41.180 um you would think that would be the one thing we could all agree on across the board politically

01:04:49.520 that we're against and it's weird to me seeing after the epstein file thing fizzling out and

01:04:56.960 we're not going to get all the list and there's probably going to be no justice served i've been

01:05:01.600 seeing this weird argument emerging that i would have expected from the left but i never would

01:05:07.840 expect it from normie conservatives that i'm seeing these big accounts now saying that

01:05:14.160 anyone who's still obsessed with the epstein list and bringing people to justice

01:05:19.520 is suspect because you shouldn't care that much to think about pedophiles like one account is a

01:05:24.880 bigger right-wing account was basically implying that alex rosen the pedophile hunter must be a

01:05:33.040 pedophile because why would he care so much about pedophilia unless he was a pedophile and it's this 0.98

01:05:39.520 ridiculous logical fallacy argument around like the dark sorcery mental gymnastics you have to go 0.95

01:05:46.880 through to be able to say that publicly and not just delete your account the lengths that people 0.82

01:05:53.760 will go to to toe the line get a few bucks thrown at them and maintain their loyalty to the trump

01:06:01.520 regime is just insane the idea that someone would say if you want if you want to bring pedophiles 0.96

01:06:09.600 to justice you might be a pedophile that is a ridiculous argument that's something like 0.85

01:06:13.600 something that the left would say yeah and that is a good point to uh have a brief ad break 0.88

01:06:22.080 because i this podcast anarchonomicon has never received a dime of outside funding it's never

01:06:31.480 received like think tank backing it's never received a uh a uh tweet for cash thing i

01:06:40.900 Are you saying you're not getting the field bucks?

01:06:44.180 I am not getting the field bucks.

01:06:46.140 I can tell you that right now.

01:06:48.340 This has been a...

01:06:50.900 Some people that have followed me a long time have seen brief screenshots of my spreadsheet that I...

01:06:57.600 This was all clawed up by, like, autistically tracking the algorithm

01:07:02.340 and autistically uh uh spurging out and digging through all the ways to min max to an audience

01:07:11.100 uh and my reach reflects that and my bank account reflects that that in that i have received none

01:07:19.960 of this money there are people with like half my follower account are making probably multiples

01:07:26.300 more than more than me and it's because i i'm very young uh i i expect to be doing this for like

01:07:34.760 40 50 more years assuming someone finally doesn't shoot me uh and because of that i'm not going to

01:07:42.940 like sell out and ruin my reputation and like lose my soul my intellectual honesty for like

01:07:48.840 a few years bucks i've received offers or i used to receive offers i've been receiving less less

01:07:55.720 since I've been like offending people but like uh you get like a moderately big account you receive

01:08:01.260 like all kinds of offers all the time to like like tweet or take certain positions for cash

01:08:08.020 and like some some of this is like fairly obvious stuff like uh various like bitcoin schemes like

01:08:13.860 if you promote a crypto thing you make money but uh there's a lot of stuff that's like way shadier

01:08:20.880 and it's just like oh we want you to say x or y i can guarantee you that if you like

01:08:27.140 if you cozy it up to to a major political party or if you cozy it up up to a major lobby like

01:08:34.860 israel or if you cozy it up to any one of a dozen like issues or lobbies or like political affairs

01:08:41.980 you could make like significant money tweeting and i've seen this happen i've seen i've seen

01:08:50.440 other influencers who i respect like uh toe the line of okay i'll do this but not not this and

01:08:58.280 i've never done it so become a paid subscriber today dear patron you're the only you're the

01:09:04.440 only ones out there who like are actually sustaining this project you know small dollar

01:09:10.620 uh sub stack subscribers are the people keeping this project going and you know they're they're

01:09:18.780 almost certainly

01:09:19.620 entry-level McDonald's clerks

01:09:22.700 in some parts of America that make more than me

01:09:24.720 because of that.

01:09:27.300 I'm not going to

01:09:29.280 sell out

01:09:31.060 for a few bucks and

01:09:32.460 have an asterisk

01:09:35.160 next to what I hope

01:09:37.220 will be a decades-long

01:09:39.000 career after this.

01:09:40.780 Good on you.

01:09:42.960 That's awesome.

01:09:44.460 Me and some of the bigger-name writers

01:09:46.960 in these spaces

01:09:48.440 took on a project to do a fiction literary magazine and the the topic of funding came up

01:09:55.660 and uh everyone joked they're like yeah so we're not gonna water our content down to get the field

01:10:02.900 bucks right and i was like absolutely not we did a little you know mini gofundme and threw some

01:10:07.780 most of our own money into it and i self-funded it and i'm sure at some point as it grows i'll

01:10:14.360 get some offers for it but i would rather keep it independent you know there's plenty of money

01:10:20.180 in our own spaces like dissident soaps and white boy summer apparel and a lot of these base brands

01:10:26.280 there's plenty of ways to keep all the money in house and to partner up with other base brands

01:10:32.760 without having to sell out a lot of these uh writers that were pretty edgy and based

01:10:40.440 the moment that they get any mainstream attention they immediately pull away and go more mainstream

01:10:47.880 and then they try to hide their previous beliefs behind humor and say no no i'm not really racist

01:10:54.040 it was just a meme and it's happened every time that there's any opportunity for someone to make

01:11:02.220 a few bucks and i'm like you have to think there's also a cost to choosing that and you might make a

01:11:07.960 few bucks short term but what is the opportunity and relationship cost to having everyone in the

01:11:14.640 community realize that you're a sellout so i don't know um if they're supporting their family

01:11:21.720 and they can live with it you know that's on them but me i'd rather be able to look myself in the

01:11:25.720 mirror well the thing is like you can see this if you followed uh politics and like kind of

01:11:34.900 very space it's like the libertarian world then then like uh the trump one world and then

01:11:41.580 you know the covid era world uh you can see like uh generations of thinkers and like

01:11:48.620 influencers and personalities who should have had like decades of career left in them

01:11:53.500 like as soon as they sell out it's like like uh their currency even if no one ever calls them on

01:12:01.460 their currency just like starts degrading like uh there's something that like people

01:12:06.300 even if your audience doesn't notice it their brain does that uh that you know all of a sudden

01:12:13.160 you're biting your tongue or you're pulling your punches and they just start peeling off because

01:12:19.360 you know you you can tell when you're like getting sold a bill of good and when it's like

01:12:26.140 just entertainment it's not like it's just meant to waste your time time as opposed to like limits

01:12:33.980 on you too because the reason that we've always been able to beat the left on memes and on art

01:12:41.500 and content is we don't have as many rules of engagement on what we're allowed to talk about

01:12:47.160 or do as they do they really paint themselves into a corner the moment you start going more

01:12:52.000 mainstream normie conservative or like normie libertarian all you're doing is placing more

01:12:58.760 constraints on you on your humor and how you're allowed to approach subjects so you're going from

01:13:05.320 being you know uh throwing nuclear takes out there and being super edgy to closing yourself

01:13:13.120 off from a lot of that and everyone knows it when they see it even if they don't say it i've seen a

01:13:18.320 lot of big breeders right now that you can tell are already in that tailspin where they're losing

01:13:25.160 momentum and they've already pretty much played out all their material and they can't go any

01:13:31.120 further across the line anymore because they're either funded by somebody that that will get

01:13:38.280 pissed off if they do or they're courting a benefactor trying to get funding and we all

01:13:44.400 innately can sense that even if

01:13:46.480 even if

01:13:48.640 the evidence isn't out there

01:13:50.340 in public yet

01:13:52.300 you can suss it out you know

01:13:54.120 I've watched a lot of writers

01:13:56.700 and bigger accounts

01:13:58.540 lately kind of going into that right now

01:14:00.740 chasing the

01:14:02.320 Theobucks and the 1.00

01:14:04.480 whole Batberry Weiss sphere

01:14:06.420 but it's not for me

01:14:08.160 yeah

01:14:10.460 you know

01:14:12.960 Bill O'Reilly

01:14:14.840 and Tucker Carlson have

01:14:16.380 basically the same career

01:14:18.400 except when Fox decide to

01:14:20.800 axe Bill O'Reilly

01:14:22.820 there's

01:14:25.000 nothing that he had pushed the limit on

01:14:26.800 that would make you want to follow

01:14:28.780 Bill O'Reilly away from Fox

01:14:30.500 whereas Tucker

01:14:32.520 he stayed with the same

01:14:34.260 toast views that he had prior

01:14:36.360 Tucker's just saying to hell with it 0.62

01:14:38.680 I'm going to let it ride

01:14:39.800 and I'm enjoying watching it

01:14:42.960 You know, yeah, he's not all the way there on some topics like we are, but he's slowly catching up and his audience is different.

01:14:51.400 You know, my audience and yours is a very different audience than Tucker's.

01:14:56.200 And I think sometimes folks forget that, that he's reaching boomers right now.

01:15:01.840 I've had boomers asking me about the USS Liberty incident in the last few weeks.

01:15:06.660 And I know it's partly because of them watching Tucker Carlson.

01:15:10.260 And this is unprecedented. I haven't had boomers reaching out to me about USS Liberty and all kinds of other subverted history. I had a boomer that I sent an Oscar Logos video to that they sat down and watched, and they were asking about culture equity.

01:15:32.140 this is stuff that i never would have imagined in 2025 just a year ago you know so i think he does

01:15:41.460 a lot of great work him and martyr made are both slowly catching up to us so instead of poking at

01:15:47.140 them and pushing back because they're not far enough right i'm just going to appreciate that

01:15:51.900 they're doing good work for their specific audience and i think eventually they'll connect

01:15:56.960 the dots and end up shifting further to the right um by the way and for those that uh

01:16:04.420 i was going to say culture critique is an amazing book and amazingly dense like uh one of the one

01:16:13.840 of the most fascinating ethnographies i i've ever read and also like one of the hardest books i ever

01:16:21.220 to speed read for a book club very good book it will give you a lot of information condensed down

01:16:31.280 i say it's one of the most information dense books that i've read in a while and um it's not

01:16:36.720 super academic in the terminology or the wording it's more of just the the level of layers of

01:16:43.040 ideas that it's hitting you with it's a truth nuke in a book um and uh i look at that i wish

01:16:52.100 uh we could get mike ma to come back and write one more book so we could get the third book in

01:16:55.760 the series but i think he had the right idea put out two awesome books and then just disappeared

01:17:02.160 before the legend can burn out mike ma i'm unfamiliar with his work could you summarize

01:17:08.080 it briefly for our audience uh so we put two books up uh harassment architecture and gothic violence

01:17:16.800 the closest i can give you an espn highlights version of it is basically a fight club for

01:17:23.200 based people but uh very well written a lot of these other writers that you see that have

01:17:30.720 published books in the right in the last 10 years a lot of them kind of wrote his coattails because

01:17:35.200 he did it all on his own uh just guerrilla marketing and grit really young guy um very much

01:17:43.760 a uh sort of uh collapsed rebellion theme so they're really good books for a young guy that's

01:17:50.640 kind of uh feeling like his life doesn't have purpose or that um he's searching for identity

01:17:57.680 meaning they're a little bit like a fed post in a book form but they're they're a great read i

01:18:04.480 I highly recommend them.

01:18:05.540 And he ended up hitting critical mass with the timing being just right.

01:18:10.500 He self-published them instead of selling out.

01:18:13.880 And they ended up becoming really big on 4chan and Reddit and all over the online right.

01:18:19.400 And then he just decided to disappear and go off and be a hermit instead of selling out and starting to put out less and less quality books like a lot of folks do.

01:18:31.800 He said everything he wanted to say, and he ended on his own terms, went out the way he wanted to.

01:18:38.800 Incredible. We should all be so lucky.

01:18:43.460 So I do want to circle back to Afghanistan, what this episode is normally about.

01:18:51.940 uh so we we've covered the broad broad topic but uh i i'd be a bad in interviewer if i wasn't going

01:19:02.680 to ask uh ask about your personal experience so you land in afghanistan uh you don't have to give

01:19:10.140 your exact tour dates but uh but uh you what what well what's was your first tour like like what

01:19:19.620 was the uh personal story the memoir section like uh you complete your training

01:19:26.220 or what is there a story there as well so this deployment was my last deployment so i'd actually

01:19:34.720 already been previously deployed several times before this um it was still an eye-opener in that

01:19:43.560 a lot of my previous training and deployments didn't really fully prepare me for it because

01:19:47.920 It was just such a different conflict altogether, the nature of it,

01:19:52.400 and the people, what we were trying to do there, was so much different.

01:19:57.500 I was just a grunt, you know.

01:20:00.800 I got out as an E5 as a sergeant, so I wasn't anybody special.

01:20:03.740 I wasn't high-speed, low-drag, recon, or anything crazy like that.

01:20:07.700 So I was just a young guy with a rifle just going out on patrol,

01:20:11.420 and I had already passed my gung-ho days.

01:20:15.900 It was kind of dropping my pack a little bit.

01:20:17.920 You know, I wasn't sure if I really wanted to do 20 years.

01:20:21.600 And the command climate, the politics was already starting to shift left pretty quick.

01:20:26.980 So a lot of us were starting to get a little bit demoralized.

01:20:30.420 Yeah, it's been back between like 2009, 2011.

01:20:34.980 And getting over there, the very first day that we rotated in, we had a casualty, which usually doesn't happen.

01:20:45.800 It's not often for your very first day on rotating

01:20:48.780 on a deployment to have a catalyst.

01:20:50.900 There is just so many IEDs everywhere.

01:20:55.600 As soon as you went outside the PB, it was just IEDs.

01:21:00.960 So the threat level was super high.

01:21:03.420 The op tempo was really high.

01:21:09.080 The people there definitely were not happy that we were there.

01:21:12.480 You can see that look of hatred in the eyes of a lot of them.

01:21:15.800 So it was tough to rectify the fact that you're there supposedly helping these people who hate you while trying to fight the Taliban, who they 100% support.

01:21:32.500 And you're trying to justify this all in your head as a young guy.

01:21:38.880 And then going out there and just watching your buddies get blown up for it.

01:21:44.060 so i was there right at the period where the area helman province we were in was we were starting

01:21:52.480 to get it calmed down a little bit and the idea was in preparation for withdrawal we're going to

01:21:59.120 train up the local forces to replace us you know we're going to riff out with them and they're

01:22:05.300 going to watch us operate then we're going to riff out together and do it side by side and then

01:22:12.140 And we're going to go out with them while they do it on their own without supervising.

01:22:16.260 And then eventually the idea is for them to be able to go out there without us holding their hands.

01:22:21.700 And it never really worked out very well that way.

01:22:24.720 They were very clumsy. 0.70

01:22:26.820 A lot of them were lazy. 0.96

01:22:27.900 A lot of them were high. 0.92

01:22:29.200 You know, they're always high as hell when they show up.

01:22:33.660 And they were never able to really operate effectively the way that we had hoped. 1.00

01:22:38.060 We had these grand ambitions for Afghanistan. 0.63

01:22:40.500 We were going to modernize it.

01:22:42.140 make them more developed and the problem with that was there's no infrastructure in place

01:22:49.920 not just physically but mentally so in afghanistan there's kajaki dam which is this

01:22:58.320 hydroelectrical dam that can power electricity for most of this valley that we're in and it

01:23:06.260 had been built by u.s funding back in i want to say the 60s as part of uh trying to modernize

01:23:14.740 afghanistan the middle east to get them to sign with us instead of the soviet union

01:23:19.940 well of course it had been out of operation for decades because they didn't have anybody in

01:23:24.180 afghanistan has the education to run this or maintain it or repair it and they don't have any

01:23:29.780 comply chain to get any parts in for any of this stuff so they don't understand how it works they

01:23:35.540 don't understand why it works they don't know how to maintain and fix it and they don't have any

01:23:41.780 way of getting parts ordered for it so they just let it deteriorate so you could have the entire

01:23:48.820 area getting electricity from that and instead basically nobody had electricity when we got there

01:23:56.980 and you'd come across this with every time you would solve a problem it would create five more

01:24:02.100 that you hadn't accounted for so we get laptops you know these little tough book laptops

01:24:08.180 for all of the ana forces and pv commanders you know our partner forces and you get them in past

01:24:16.100 you because that's their native language you figure all right cool it's in their language

01:24:21.780 and we'll shoulder surf over them with the terp next to us and we'll help them figure it out 1.00

01:24:28.340 well they're all illiterate so they can't even read it even though it's in their own language 0.53

01:24:34.380 so we leave dip out for a few days by the time we come back they've sold all the laptops in the 0.93

01:24:40.140 bazaar and uh either snorted it all up their nose or smoked it all shot it all into their arm

01:24:49.660 so every time you would try to arm them with some new technology they were incapable of 1.00

01:24:58.220 effectively using it the the comms and stuff that we had they didn't know how to use that stuff

01:25:04.460 um so it was very frustrating because you're there and you know that the people back home

01:25:11.600 have been told that we're gonna make this country a democracy we're gonna make it safe 1.00

01:25:16.280 we're gonna help bring these people in the future we're bringing them from the taliban 0.87

01:25:22.620 all this stuff and then you get there and it's all a lie and all the things you're trying to do to

01:25:27.000 help these people end up backfiring because they are living so far back in the past it's almost

01:25:34.860 like you would need to go through multiple generations to sort of culturally and intellectually

01:25:41.140 evolve them up to the point where you could even start doing this stuff and the only people in the 0.95

01:25:47.300 country that were educated were either Taliban from wealthy families that you know sent their

01:25:52.500 kids off to hobsford or really corrupt people in the government that were part of the northern

01:25:58.520 alliance so everything that we did it seemed like we either had our hands tied behind our

01:26:05.500 battery and shot in foot you know we have fuel coming in for all of our partner forces vehicles

01:26:12.020 and it would come in from like kabul or kandahar well the moment it would leave whatever depot

01:26:20.740 it had been parked at the corruption and bribery would immediately go into play you know every time

01:26:28.420 they'd go through a checkpoint they would have to give away some of the fuel that was supposed to

01:26:34.340 come to us to whatever local person was bribing or blackmailing there's this whole system of

01:26:40.740 corruption from top to bottom of the government um there there's a funny way that one of the

01:26:46.660 the Turks described it, is that at least in Afghanistan, corruption is available to the

01:26:51.300 common man, because everything in the government involves bribes and schemes and scams and

01:26:57.580 blackmail. Anything that you want to get done, you literally have to factor that into the budget.

01:27:03.840 By the time the fuel truck gets out to where we are, most of the fuel's gone, because they've

01:27:09.340 skimmed it all and sold it all for profit, or it's been strong-armed from them, from some other

01:27:15.880 warlord or some other person that has a checkpoint set up with no americans around

01:27:22.760 and everything that you try to move in and out of the country it was like this

01:27:27.400 so you know i was a grunt but from the logistics guys that i would talk to

01:27:33.880 they were always having to equate all of the grift and scams into anything that they were

01:27:39.720 trying to get ordered because they knew that most of it wouldn't show up and you'd go to the

01:27:46.680 police stations you know little tvs and stuff and they're growing like in the documentary that you

01:27:54.100 put in the link there you'll see it they're growing weed and hash and poppy in the middle

01:27:59.420 of the police station so and you can't do anything about it you know you come back and you tell your 0.98

01:28:06.860 command about it and they figure well if we can just try to get them to stop fucking boys then 0.97

01:28:13.580 we're we're gonna end it there that's as far as we can hope for because we can't get them to stop 0.97

01:28:19.180 smoking weed or doing opium or they'll just stop filling up to work so it was kind of a weird

01:28:26.540 transition thread for me because we'd gone from where we would carry around these ziplock bags

01:28:32.260 of money, of like Afghani money, that we would pay the APs and the ANAs with, to then the

01:28:40.580 government paying them. Well, you could tell the moment that change happened, because their

01:28:46.540 attitude shifted immediately. The moment that we weren't the ones doling the money out, and it was

01:28:53.120 coming automatically from the government on a payroll, they didn't give a fuck what we told 0.98

01:28:57.800 them to do we brought them out on patrol with us and they would just sit there and wait for us to 0.99

01:29:02.760 get a shot at they didn't give a shit anymore because they knew they were still going to get 0.96

01:29:06.880 paid so we also didn't have as much leverage at that point when it came to enforcing rules and 0.99

01:29:13.460 regulations so we couldn't tell them that they couldn't do drugs anymore because they would just

01:29:19.460 stop showing up to work and they'd probably still get paid anyway because it would slip through the

01:29:23.460 tracks or they'd bribe the right person in the government to keep paying them so you'd come out

01:29:30.300 there to check on them while they're on patrol or back in their pb and you're trying to bring

01:29:37.700 them gear and supplies and training taking time out of your life to try and help these guys out 0.99

01:29:42.060 and they're basically telling you to go fuck yourself through the turf and they're all high 1.00

01:29:47.200 all the time and yeah every day putting up with that shit will wear you down let me tell you 0.99

01:29:56.000 so yeah i don't know i'm sure a lot of guys have had different experiences depending on where they 0.98

01:30:02.240 are at but i know for us there it was pretty pretty rough coming home after all that

01:30:07.260 so um this might be interesting for our listeners could you could you take us through

01:30:16.460 like a standard patrol or like an example patrol of what you guys would actually be doing out there

01:30:23.860 because I know depending on the war a patrol is like can be wildly different different things like

01:30:31.920 even whether you're mounted or unmounted or or how you're going going out changes wildly like

01:30:39.880 how long would a patrol be and like what would you be doing like how many kilometers how many

01:30:46.180 how much would you be carrying how many people would you have

01:30:49.280 so when i was out there it was usually uh platoons maybe a company size element

01:30:57.460 it's going to take up most of the day a lot of it was on foot which sucked you know 0.88

01:31:04.260 and it was slow moving because there was so much threat of ieds that we had to

01:31:11.120 go really slow weird ranger file you know one in front of the other single file formation 0.99

01:31:16.400 and you have to wait for the guy in front of you you clear it make sure there's no ids so it's very

01:31:23.680 slow moving arguably removed a lot of our effectiveness because if you're ranger filing

01:31:31.160 out in the open you have no cover no concealment the best that you can hope for is that you get

01:31:37.520 shot at from either your porter starboard so you can all just turn on long and engage

01:31:42.560 so it reduces your tactical abilities considerably but most of it was on foot 0.99

01:31:50.160 we ended up having to get rollers on a lot of our vehicles because the ied presence was so bad

01:31:56.560 but essentially how it would operate is you have your intel guys and your counter intel working 0.99

01:32:04.000 with what's called a human which is human intelligence so that's you know local civilian

01:32:09.760 population or maybe you flip the guy with the taliban with bribes and they would give you

01:32:17.320 information on the enemy's presence you know how many guys they got what they bring to play with

01:32:21.720 all that stuff and then you would run on a patrol in an area where you had gotten intelligence that

01:32:27.760 the Taliban we're currently at you get you know 17 out of 28 threat indicators from your intel guy

01:32:35.680 about likelihood of enemy contact in this area say a click and a half away and you would go out 0.66

01:32:43.500 there as both a show of force and also trying to get into contact so you can engage and eliminate

01:32:50.920 the enemy and a lot of these threat indicators that we get you know we get debrief and you get

01:32:57.880 all these threat indicators from the intel guys of well you know we think you might take indirect

01:33:03.480 fires from this direction and indirect fires meaning like mortars and half the time it was

01:33:09.720 bogus because the the human intelligence assets that we had on the ground were playing both sides

01:33:14.440 against the middle so a lot of our intel was bogus which would waste our time a lot and sometimes it

01:33:21.480 would be the dumbest thing so the taliban's flag was a white flag which is really weird for us to

01:33:27.320 figure out you know like a surrender flag is their battle flag so constantly the intel would be 0.98

01:33:34.680 something dumb like a local had seen a white flag stuck up in a tree or off the side of a house so

01:33:42.040 obviously that must be a Taliban stronghold where they're building IEDs, right? And you'd go out 0.99

01:33:49.180 there and someone had just stuck a piece of a sheet off the side of a tree just to fuck with 0.99

01:33:54.620 you, just to make you think the Taliban were there. Like 90% of the time you're going out there 0.98

01:33:59.720 and the reason why you're out there is bogus. The people you're with are lying to you. And half the

01:34:05.920 time it's just a wild goose chase. But in the middle of that, you'll always run up on something

01:34:11.860 else happening you'll see someone doing something shady and then you'll tangent off and deal with

01:34:17.520 that a lot of the locals were farmers and a lot of them were spotters is what we called them for

01:34:27.120 the taliban so what they would do is as soon as they would see marines come in they'd have a guy

01:34:34.720 they would get on a cell phone to the taliban let them know where you're at and then they could

01:34:39.100 He'd either roll up and hit us really quick or try to lure us, to bait us into walking onto an IED. 0.96

01:34:50.520 So they'd get a local to tell us he had seen Taliban somewhere, and then he'd get us to walk over IEDs in the process. 0.52

01:34:58.940 Then you'd deal with a casualty event and stabilize personnel, wait on a bird to evac them. 0.97

01:35:06.380 so every time you went out it was always some dumb shit that would happen and sidetrack you 0.98

01:35:12.340 onto something else and very rarely was the the reason that you were going out in the first place 0.97

01:35:17.760 um very rarely did that ever materialize in anything useful so it's very frustrating

01:35:25.120 especially when you're a you know junior enlisted guy that your entire job is just to get told what

01:35:30.620 to do all day and then you're getting told what you're supposed to do and what's what's going to 0.96

01:35:35.980 happen and then it all ends up being bullshit and you said a click and a half was it really that 0.83

01:35:45.420 close to your uh your forward operator operating base just like a kill mirror 0.93

01:35:51.320 something you could get zapped just going outside the wire so the uh the tempo and everything

01:36:00.700 shifted midway through the deployment, but early on, just outside the PB, you could either

01:36:09.220 step on an IED or get murked by someone on a ridgeline. 0.77

01:36:16.580 We stabilized enough and took out enough of them, smoked enough Taliban and pushed the 0.67

01:36:23.220 rest of them back that later on in the deployment, it was a much safer area for us to operate 0.79

01:36:29.120 in but early on during the fighting season you know during the warmer part of the year

01:36:34.480 it was very kinetic as far as afghanistan goes so some of your some of your ops would be right

01:36:44.160 outside the wire because you have enemy forces pushed up all the way close to the pvs a lot of

01:36:51.480 times what they would do is they would send one group out to do an ambush on us while we're doing

01:36:58.300 patrol is they'd have all the locals spotting for them and passing word along to them where we were

01:37:04.380 at where we were headed they would ambush us with a small element and then they would try to get us

01:37:11.100 to burn through as much ammunition as possible so that they could do a retreat to bring us into

01:37:18.220 a larger ambush in hopes that we had burned through a lot of the ammo for like our 240s

01:37:25.340 and our saws you know all of our machine guns that we use for suppressing fire

01:37:30.380 they would try to count the rounds off while we were shooting at them and they would bait us in

01:37:35.580 order to get us to shoot at them and they would stay just far enough ahead of you you'd have a

01:37:40.780 hell of a time putting a round center mass on them so you're just sitting there throwing suppressive 0.74

01:37:46.060 fire at them and they're counting how many rounds you're burned through and then they would break

01:37:50.940 can act like they were retreating just to lead you into another bigger ambush so they were smart

01:37:57.020 i got to give them that they made very effective use of what little resources they had they were

01:38:03.420 they weren't the best trained fighting force but they definitely were passionate about their cause

01:38:09.260 and were very effective at figuring out how to do a lot with a little um when we started jamming

01:38:17.580 cell phones on our vix so that they couldn't remote detonate ieds with cell phones then they

01:38:24.380 went low tech so every time we'd go high tech they'd go low tech to defeat it when we started

01:38:29.980 jamming with wideband jammers they couldn't use radios and cell phones to set off ieds anymore

01:38:35.420 so what they started doing is using like egg timers or dryer timers or uh these big pressure

01:38:43.660 plates that we we called them anal beads so it was like two big steel rings with uh ball bearings

01:38:50.740 in between them and the weight of a humvee of like a fully loaded up armored gun truck

01:38:56.500 would be enough that those two steel rings would compress against one of the ball bearings and it

01:39:04.900 would close the circuit and it would detonate the ied or they would take uh two rusty old handsaws

01:39:12.700 and put them over top of each other so when you put down the two saw blades connect

01:39:19.260 and that closes the circuit so they're really smart a lot of the things that they did they would

01:39:24.220 punch what we called keyholes in the side of every building in an area where they were getting

01:39:30.460 ready to ambush us it's like all these mud brick walls you could smash a hole through it with a

01:39:35.420 sledgehammer right so they would punch holes through the walls so that they had keyholes

01:39:40.700 or murder holes where they could shoot at you and you couldn't see them and uh every single one of

01:39:47.180 these homes had a little like compound wall around it with a metal door so first you'd have to clear

01:39:52.460 the compound itself before you could clear the house so sometimes they'd have grenades attached

01:39:57.820 to string pull the pin out throw the grenade over the wall right as you're getting ready to breach

01:40:03.660 and then bounce the string so that you can't grab it and so that it blows up at crotch level 0.90

01:40:08.700 a lot of their stuff over there it wasn't designed to kill you it was designed to maim you

01:40:15.220 because they knew that that was more demoralizing and if you maim a guy well now it's going to take

01:40:21.280 a whole bunch of personnel to have to uh you know deal with that guy you know if you if you have a

01:40:27.440 double triple amputee then not only is he out of the fight but now all these personnel back stateside

01:40:35.160 are busy having to take care of that guy so a lot of their ieds were designed just to take your limbs

01:40:41.360 off um and we did pretty high number of kia on that deployment but it was nowhere near as high

01:40:50.100 as our casualties as our as our wounded and a lot of our wounded would be double triple 1.00

01:40:58.400 amputees and uh and it was fucked up but it was smart on their part and you know it fucks you up 0.99

01:41:07.660 more watching all your buddies get their arms and legs ripped off sometimes than just having them 0.99

01:41:13.300 get pink misted so they thought about all of this of the war of attrition and how it would affect

01:41:20.000 our logistics and all of that and then you'd have those guys go back and uh you know if you lost an

01:41:28.720 arm you'd probably be all right you lose both your legs or your triple amputee well you know

01:41:37.040 i didn't keep track but i'd say the majority of those guys their wives all left them within about

01:41:43.200 six months of them coming home um took the kids you know full custody uh 50 of their money

01:41:53.200 then a lot of those guys committed suicide of course so the suicides were super high

01:41:58.400 um we lost more guys by far to suicide than we did to bullets and ids so yeah it is

01:42:09.200 It was a rough thing to come home feel. 1.00

01:42:13.420 But, yeah, between the Basha Bazi and the IUDs, you know, 1.00

01:42:18.720 every day you'd go out there, try to step in the exact same footstep 0.99

01:42:22.660 as the guy in front of you so you didn't get blown up.

01:42:25.320 You knew every step you took could be your last step on two legs.

01:42:31.040 And watch a lot of guys go out that way. 0.98

01:42:33.680 It's really sucked. 0.88

01:42:34.640 it's tough 0.88

01:42:37.780 any time you lose someone

01:42:39.420 but at least you lose them in a gunfight 1.00

01:42:42.300 then he went out like a fucking gunslinger 1.00

01:42:44.640 and then we're gonna go 1.00

01:42:46.540 try to fucking kill whoever shot him 1.00

01:42:48.460 you know 1.00

01:42:48.800 and then at least you can get the satisfaction of retribution

01:42:52.400 but you're getting blown up 0.98

01:42:54.200 getting your legs and arms ripped off

01:42:56.940 by IEDs 1.00

01:42:58.920 built out of old Soviet

01:43:00.580 landmines

01:43:01.580 mixed with whatever 0.96

01:43:04.040 redneck riggery they could figure out with uh they would take spray paint cans that our 0.99

01:43:11.720 combat engineers would use they'd take the spray paint cans and spray all the spray paint 0.68

01:43:16.380 onto a metal surface and then scrape the metal flakes out of the spray paint

01:43:20.840 and add that to their explosives because it was an accelerant they do all this 0.98

01:43:26.240 crafty little shit basically just to fuck us over more so i gotta give them they were uh 0.98

01:43:32.560 very resourceful if anything i'll give them that um a very very resilient determined enemy 0.99

01:43:41.740 after all these years i've gotten over a lot of that stuff so i look back on it that i can

01:43:46.940 respect the amount of effort they put into fighting me which is more than i can say for

01:43:52.920 the partner forces we had with us well this is the uh the thing one of my friends said to me

01:44:01.040 is that you know the translation of Taliban, right, is student.

01:44:06.060 That the Taliban originally was like a student movement

01:44:12.520 or like a high human capital movement.

01:44:17.100 Yeah, it's Pashto for students.

01:44:19.700 That it was explicitly the literate people of Afghanistan

01:44:25.620 and the high human capital people.

01:44:28.620 so it's like well it's like a lot of the uh imams in afghanistan today the older imams

01:44:36.920 were the intellectual elites back in the 90s when the taliban formed because they're some of the

01:44:43.620 only literate people in the country the uh leftovers and holdouts from afghanistan's glory

01:44:50.760 days back when it was much more developed you know prior to the soviet invasion so a lot of the uh

01:44:57.020 freedom fighters that fought against the soviets and mujahideen and all that

01:45:01.700 a lot of them were the college graduates when afghanistan had much more infrastructure it was

01:45:07.980 more modernized and then they became the taliban and a lot of the uh the older veterans of the

01:45:18.060 soviet war joined the taliban in the 90s after the younger guys started up so yeah the majority

01:45:25.520 of the population there that actually is educated are taliban and most of the imams that teach

01:45:32.880 everyone at the madrasas you know at the schools they're all taliban or they're connected to and

01:45:40.560 affiliated with taliban so the only people that they have that can teach you what the quran says 0.98

01:45:48.480 are radicals now the quran is not very peaceful anyway it doesn't matter how you 0.65

01:45:53.920 you uh choose to interpret it at its core i've read it myself it's very explicitly clear about

01:46:01.440 some things but all your your clerics your imams they're teaching it to the people they're all

01:46:08.320 giving them the you know the pro-taliban jihad slant to it so most of the people that we came

01:46:16.720 across that had any kind of formal education or could read and write were all taliban i know when

01:46:24.880 i was there early on in the deployment anyone who had a neatly trimmed beard you could pretty much

01:46:31.200 just smoke him without calling it any a pid because the only people that have a neatly trimmed beard

01:46:37.360 were taliban um anyone who had any kind of icons or binoculars you could just smoke them on site 0.72

01:46:44.400 I was the only people that could afford a cell phone were Taliban, at least in the area that I was in. 0.79

01:46:51.000 None of the locals had anything like that. 0.98

01:46:54.100 We were out so far in backwoods, kids had never seen pens before or lighters.

01:47:03.820 They thought a lighter was magic.

01:47:06.760 We'd give them soccer balls, and they'd never seen one before.

01:47:09.780 It was a big deal to them.

01:47:10.760 and some of the areas out there 1.00

01:47:14.020 you'd have people that know shit 0.98

01:47:15.720 their job in their little village 0.99

01:47:17.160 every week they run to the next

01:47:19.880 village find out the news

01:47:22.000 run back and yell it out

01:47:23.860 because nobody can read

01:47:25.160 that's the only way you can get news

01:47:27.560 amazing

01:47:33.160 this is

01:47:35.180 like this is a lot

01:47:38.000 of stuff that's like

01:47:40.760 you go to homeric greece and like uh a lot of this stuff isn't the case now like uh the ancient

01:47:49.940 greeks had uh had various types of like game balls and and stuff and like uh had

01:47:59.280 had like uh more advanced uh systems of heralds and and whatnot but uh this is yeah in many

01:48:10.620 ways they're like uh more backwards than the bronze age in some respects it's it's really surreal

01:48:19.740 uh parts of pakistan i've heard are pretty similar to this the more you know rural sparse areas um

01:48:27.100 it's different in the in the city the higher population density but when you get out into

01:48:32.220 the mountainous parts of afghanistan you'll come across people that are practically neolithic

01:48:40.620 by our standards you know all they have is you know their goats or whatever they have to do

01:48:48.180 subsistence farming off of and their mud brick house and nobody reads nobody writes

01:48:55.520 nobody has electricity or a tv some people in the area we were in started to get some electricity

01:49:02.800 a few there wasn't very much and uh and it's so dumb because you have this hydroelectric dam 0.73

01:49:13.220 right there they have electricity in a whole valley but there's nobody in the country smart

01:49:18.740 enough for you to even commit the resources to getting it running again you know we had people

01:49:24.200 with the brains that could have got it operational again are you going to commit tens and tens and

01:49:29.260 tens of millions of dollars investment into getting all this stuff shipped out there and

01:49:34.660 all the man hours that could go into rebuilding it when you know that there's nobody in Afghanistan

01:49:40.000 that you can train up to effectively run and maintain it and that's the situation you run

01:49:46.080 across throughout the entire country you know um we joked when uh the Taliban took over Kabul and

01:49:54.320 Kandahar that all these guys that were, you know, like riding into battle on horses trying to kill

01:50:00.640 us would end up offing themselves when the Taliban took power again and had to start sitting down at

01:50:08.340 desks and doing spreadsheets. They took over all the government infrastructure and buildings that 0.76

01:50:15.940 we had put in place for the Northern Alliance, the regime that we put in power. The Taliban 0.80

01:50:20.820 has been repurposed all of that and if you follow lord miles on twitter you can see a lot of the 0.98

01:50:26.820 you know he hangs out with the taliban and you can see a lot of the infrastructure that we built

01:50:33.260 for the northern alliance the taliban is not wasting it you can see them repurposing it

01:50:37.820 but you'll see this taliban fighter who might have been like a warlord 10 15 years ago fighting

01:50:45.900 me and my buddies and now

01:50:48.460 he's sitting at a desk on a

01:50:50.420 computer in Excel's fridge

01:50:51.940 with

01:50:53.340 his dead soul in his

01:50:56.400 eyes staring back at you.

01:50:59.020 Yes, I've heard

01:51:00.920 I've seen

01:51:04.800 several complaints

01:51:06.500 like tweets and interviews

01:51:08.660 and stuff of

01:51:09.820 them actively complaining that

01:51:12.640 life has become miserable

01:51:14.480 Well, for them now that they actually run the government, they really miss being out on their motorcycle, setting up IEDs under the sun.

01:51:25.080 You know, they were free then, and now they're part of the Western tradition of consumerism and nine-to-five wage slavery.

01:51:36.440 That's the improvement we made on the country.

01:51:38.900 We caused a heroin epidemic and now a meth epidemic, from what I hear. 0.81

01:51:46.100 And we introduced them to being waged up and doing Excel spreadsheets. 0.70

01:51:52.940 Maybe Lord Miles can get them all into a merry band of hooligans and go invade Haiti or something. 0.59

01:52:01.200 Maybe, maybe.

01:52:03.300 Who knows?

01:52:04.180 Maybe they'll adapt to the spreadsheet.

01:52:05.480 Maybe they'll all become little map gamers running their little kingdoms.

01:52:11.720 That's the cruelest punishment of all.

01:52:14.740 I guess there is some justice in the world.

01:52:19.480 But in terms of the topic of this,

01:52:28.980 Has there been, like, any institutional or, like, official review or recognition that promoting drug addicts and pedophiles to run regions and abuse local populations is, like, not the way that counterinsurgency should be fought?

01:52:50.380 Absolutely, yeah.

01:52:51.840 Not one bit.

01:52:52.940 and that is on both the military side and on the government side so they will never admit how bad

01:53:04.180 they fucked that up you may have some field grade officer in the army in the marine corps somewhere 0.74

01:53:11.640 that is giving out books and having people watch this documentary and saying you know what can we 0.88

01:53:17.780 learn from this purely on his own volition to hear people but as far as the the higher up than

01:53:25.960 like the pentagon and washington no not not at all and i mean i still have a lot of friends who

01:53:31.880 were my my peers and my juniors in the service that i still reach out to and ask about stuff

01:53:38.780 and find out what's going on and there hasn't been any kind of admission of guilt or recognition

01:53:44.580 that we might have done a few things wrong.

01:53:48.260 Definitely absolutely nothing when it comes to Baca Bazi

01:53:52.520 or the way that the poppy fields essentially exploded when we were there.

01:53:59.320 I mean, the Taliban actually limited the production of poppy.

01:54:05.120 So, you know, opium is obviously haram.

01:54:08.860 You know, it's not acceptable under Syria. 0.80

01:54:12.260 so when the taliban originally took over in the 90s their first thought was they were going to 0.99

01:54:19.280 get rid of it entirely because it's uh unholy you know it's a sin but then they they realized that 1.00

01:54:28.540 they really didn't have any other exports you know there's plenty of raw natural resources

01:54:33.000 in the country problem is they don't have any infrastructure or educated experienced personnel

01:54:39.580 to get it out of the ground and refine it.

01:54:43.320 So the only thing that they really have is heroin.

01:54:46.300 So eventually the Taliban had to sort of compromise

01:54:49.220 and allow the farmers to grow poppy,

01:54:53.180 but limit the amount of it they were going to grow.

01:54:55.800 So enough that they could live off of

01:54:57.580 and give the Taliban a cut of the money, 0.81

01:54:59.840 but not enough to where they were going to cause a drug epidemic.

01:55:04.760 So when we went in 2001 and we poppled the Taliban regime, 0.92

01:55:08.120 and took them out of power 1.00

01:55:10.740 and put the old drug lords

01:55:12.840 and warlords back in power

01:55:14.480 well then everyone

01:55:16.820 took it as a free reign

01:55:18.600 a license to grow

01:55:20.620 as much as they wanted

01:55:21.480 so if you look back on the

01:55:24.080 opioid epidemic here in the US

01:55:26.740 which was started

01:55:28.660 around like 2007, 2008

01:55:30.680 it lines up pretty well

01:55:32.860 with when

01:55:34.680 the opium production in Afghanistan

01:55:36.520 went into high gear

01:55:38.120 And there's a big problem, you know, when the Taliban were still in charge of the country in the 90s, they would send some of their troops out with the farmers.

01:55:49.980 So when the Serbian KOA gangsters and the Russians came down to buy opium to take back to Europe to turn it into heroin, that they wouldn't just kill the farmer and take it.

01:56:02.100 When we took the Taliban out of power, all the farmers started growing as much poppies as they could. 0.70

01:56:08.120 which lowered the price

01:56:10.300 of opium in the area 0.98

01:56:11.980 which pissed off the Russians 0.99

01:56:13.980 and the Serbians

01:56:15.200 you had a lot of these weird conflicts

01:56:18.200 where you'd have eastern European

01:56:20.160 foreigners coming in and just 1.00

01:56:22.060 killing people because there was 1.00

01:56:23.980 arguments over the drug trade 0.95

01:56:25.720 and I'm sure you know

01:56:28.200 CIA,

01:56:30.140 CIA, whoever probably was doing 0.99

01:56:32.100 some shady shit with that as well 0.99

01:56:33.940 I'm sure 0.98

01:56:36.260 the Pompey production has probably

01:56:38.240 gone down again. The Taliban's pecking 0.98

01:56:40.140 charge. But that was 0.96

01:56:42.160 the irony, is we really just made the place

01:56:44.040 worse.

01:56:45.820 Between how much of their infrastructure

01:56:47.780 we bombed in the airstrikes

01:56:49.840 in 2001

01:56:50.700 leading up to the invasion

01:56:53.420 and 0.97

01:56:54.860 how much we fucked it up 0.95

01:56:57.900 over the 20 years afterwards 0.95

01:57:00.100 before the withdrawal

01:57:01.400 with the drug epidemic

01:57:03.480 and everything else. Right now you've got

01:57:06.060 But I think the last time I checked up the statistics, I want to say it was like 20% of the male population in Afghanistan now is on either opium or meth.

01:57:19.020 And they didn't even have meth before we went out there.

01:57:22.380 So about a quarter of the population, at least in the cities, is now abusing drugs and unemployed.

01:57:30.800 Of course, the Taliban shares a little bit of blame there as well.

01:57:37.240 They're now in charge, but we left them quite a mess to take over.

01:57:42.280 So I'm going to be hopefully optimistic that maybe they can undo some of the damage that we did,

01:57:48.600 and hopefully they will move forward with some reforms and treat the people better,

01:57:54.360 at least than the Northern Alliance. 0.59

01:57:55.780 I'd like to see where five, ten years down the road, Afghanistan would be largely peaceful and maybe start working back to where it used to be in the 60s and 70s when it was like the Paris of the Middle East. 0.70

01:58:12.220 But that's probably wishful thinking. 0.95

01:58:14.140 no and part of me wonders if some of the stuff i can see like a weird twisted intentionality

01:58:25.240 behind it uh i i don't think it's a it's coincidental that uh the u.s uh meth and heroin

01:58:35.600 problem is terrible exactly in the regions that like dc perceives as enemy populations

01:58:45.600 and then afghanistan also develops meth and heroin problems absolutely i don't believe in

01:58:51.900 incidents and like uh it is weird too because if you think about it you know for for every body

01:58:59.600 that we dropped over there smoking Taliban. 0.92

01:59:04.500 How many Americans did we indirectly kill 0.91

01:59:07.260 by causing Afghanistan's heroin epidemic, 0.51

01:59:13.080 which you know had to spill over? 0.86

01:59:15.140 So the second order effects of that,

01:59:17.760 I've often thought about this is

01:59:19.720 how much of the opioid epidemic here in the U.S.

01:59:23.800 was a direct result of what we were doing in Afghanistan.

01:59:29.600 yeah no there i haven't read the details yet but that was one of the speculated things that

01:59:37.720 people expected uh eurasia's uh heroin prices and opioid prices to increase at least like

01:59:45.360 in europe and like central asia because the taliban had won and um yeah they'll limit production

01:59:54.740 when you look at the people 1.00

01:59:59.160 that you're killing

01:59:59.980 are the people who are against drugs

02:00:03.300 and against pedophilia

02:00:05.400 and the people

02:00:07.680 that you're putting in charge

02:00:08.980 are

02:00:10.320 selling all of the drugs 1.00

02:00:13.600 and raping all the boys 1.00

02:00:14.700 and 1.00

02:00:16.720 there's no way that you can look at that

02:00:19.420 and say we're the good guys

02:00:20.660 well yeah and this has been kind of explicit u.s foreign policy or like uh understated like

02:00:34.400 euphemized white papers that the primary goal of the u.s was to prevent um since 91 you can read

02:00:43.540 like white papers from like wolfowitz and the neocons on this that the primary goal was to

02:00:49.320 prevent uh beyond just taking out israel's rivals like uh obviously the seven nations they want to

02:00:57.840 knock off with the seven countries that were immediate threats to israel and like posed uh

02:01:03.340 famously for you readers at home uh wolfowitz uh actually this one might not have been wolfowitz

02:01:11.700 it might have been another one but it was the uh clean start or clean break paper um i'll try to

02:01:18.760 look it up scott horton if you follow him is very good good on this uh at the libertarian institute

02:01:24.440 uh anti-war radio um uh the recently on tucker i need to listen to that one but uh but they

02:01:33.820 published this white paper that the primary goal goal in the middle east was top topple uh seven

02:01:41.160 seven countries and there's like oh this will be democratic reform after we take out saddam

02:01:47.280 or whatnot and then like six of them they did a hard regime change after and iran's the last one

02:01:53.460 left standing but uh i think that was i think that was wolfowitz he was the secretary of state

02:02:00.060 back in the early 2000s because wolfowitz is the one that convinced cheney and bush to invade iraq

02:02:08.120 um so wolfowitz secretary of state early 2000s so like 9 11 before 9 11 it even happened

02:02:16.920 And Wolfowitz, Jewish-American, very close ties in Tel Aviv, basically Israel's guy in our government, right?

02:02:26.820 And he'd risen all the way up to Secretary of State under George Bush.

02:02:31.100 So prior to 9-11 even happening, Wolfowitz had already been advocating for us to go back into Iraq and take Saddam out of power.

02:02:39.240 The 9-11 just gave him more leverage to apply more pressure through the Jewish lobbies, you know, APAC and ADL and the whole Jewish lobby conglomerate.

02:02:51.780 But the reason that they wanted Saddam toppled had nothing to do with any WMDs at all. It was because he was giving out $10,000 rewards to the families of any Quds fighters who were killed by Israel. 0.54

02:03:08.620 So Quds being the Palestinian resistance at the time.

02:03:12.480 So if you were a Palestinian and you martyred yourself for the cause of a free Palestine,

02:03:19.440 then Saddam's government would award your family $10,000.

02:03:24.000 And this enraged Israel.

02:03:26.860 There's also, I want to say in 1991, that Israel killed a bunch of people in Gaza.

02:03:34.560 Go figure. 1.00

02:03:35.560 and in response 0.55

02:03:37.420 Saddam fired some

02:03:40.120 scud missiles at Tel Aviv

02:03:41.640 basically

02:03:42.640 stop killing people in Gaza 0.99

02:03:45.360 or I'm going to keep raining missiles on you 0.99

02:03:47.780 and it was a little back and forth

02:03:49.860 the same as the recent one with Iran

02:03:51.460 and it didn't evolve

02:03:53.900 into anything more dramatic than that

02:03:55.840 but because he had done that

02:03:58.140 because he had

02:03:59.160 proven that he had missiles that could

02:04:01.860 hit Israel

02:04:02.740 Israel wanted him gone

02:04:05.200 They wanted his whole regime gone, not just him.

02:04:08.980 And so they had been applying this steady pressure all throughout the 90s on our government to go back to Iraq and do, you know, Gulf War II.

02:04:18.820 So once they had George W., George Sr.'s son, as the president, and they had stacked out, you know, a lot of the government were GOP at that time.

02:04:30.700 Well, they saw it as a green light.

02:04:33.060 Like, hey, you know, we got his son, we'll just go back in and do Desert Storm 2.

02:04:41.240 But it took until 9-11 for them to have enough justification to the American public to be able to sell another war in Iraq.

02:04:51.140 And it had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11, even though that was the justification.

02:04:55.600 It had everything to do with Saddam giving out money to Palestinian martyrs and with Israel knowing that if they went into Palestine and murdered a bunch of people, that Saddam would retaliate with missiles.

02:05:13.280 That was the same thing that we've seen going on again today, except now we see it playing out in Iran because they haven't been toppled yet. 0.74

02:05:21.720 you know the ayatollah is the new saddam that israel wants us to go topple and it's essentially 0.85

02:05:29.040 the same recipe happening that happened when i was growing up is now playing out on tv while the 0.96

02:05:35.660 zoomers are watching it is you have israel going in and mass slaughtering civilians you know 0.99

02:05:42.200 targeting catholic churches blowing up little kids and iran says all right fine fuck you and we're 1.00

02:05:49.560 gonna send missiles you're gonna murder civilian muslims then we're gonna go to war go jihad 1.00

02:05:57.460 against you you get the the houthis indian men and now iran both responding to what israel is 0.99

02:06:04.520 doing to the people in gaza and it's the strangest thing to me because you know i'm not pro hamas i'm

02:06:11.380 not pro muslim by any means you can be against islam and zionism at the same time

02:06:17.940 which to me seems like common sense but you're murdering little kids and somehow people are

02:06:26.740 defending this well this is the insane thing because most of the the regimes that have been

02:06:34.540 toppled by the u.s as a result of this policy had been

02:06:39.420 they've all been 0.53

02:06:43.420 they've all been

02:06:45.380 secular

02:06:47.280 regimes 0.99

02:06:49.040 Syria, the Alawites

02:06:50.860 a lot of people

02:06:53.680 think they're crypto-Christians

02:06:55.200 the Alawites

02:06:56.060 that a lot of their beliefs are weird 0.92

02:06:59.600 and that they're very normally

02:07:01.480 Muslim but like

02:07:03.340 they're sort of like 1.00

02:07:05.420 Gnostics 0.96

02:07:06.100 yeah yeah 1.00

02:07:07.640 like Gnostic Christians 1.00

02:07:10.060 they're totally Gnostics 1.00

02:07:12.000 so they're similar to 1.00

02:07:14.260 Coptic but they're

02:07:15.740 on the screen 1.00

02:07:16.520 Syria would

02:07:17.700 say 0.98

02:07:18.380 so Syria 0.81

02:07:26.540 and then

02:07:29.880 Saddam

02:07:32.120 in Iraq was leading a Baathist 0.72

02:07:34.220 government which is like

02:07:35.220 like vaguely related to like uh to like uh socialist ideas like this weird intersection

02:07:42.760 of like tintoism and like italian fascism that is like like this really bizarre nationalist

02:07:50.300 ideology that's like like uh kind of intersects with like zionism or tintoism or titoism sorry

02:07:58.960 or, like, odd nationalist ideologies that were cropping up in the 1920s.

02:08:06.560 And then Gaddafi is, like, this bizarre Libyan nationalist, you know, Colonel Gaddafi, like, he's leading a military dictatorship.

02:08:18.220 And, like, Gaddafi himself, I'll add this to show notes, I found his green book is up on Archive.

02:08:25.040 but uh he has like this entire uh third way ideology of like libyan government that is like

02:08:32.820 that's like he's another one of these bizarre like sort of secular sort of like his own

02:08:41.220 own vision kind of characters and have like these pan-african ideas so like these are some like the

02:08:48.700 most and then of course the taliban is the taliban and of course yemen was another country they want

02:08:55.520 to topple and lebanon was another country they want to topple which lebanon is a democracy you 0.65

02:09:02.060 know it's one-third christian one-third muslim one-third and the like these are the most disparate

02:09:10.840 and weird governments like in the world like they aren't actually like anything that existed in the

02:09:17.680 Cold War. And they aren't, outside the Taliban, they're not theocracies. Like, they aren't

02:09:21.800 actually like Iran in any which way. Like, they're some of the most unique and odd, like,

02:09:27.680 ad hoc governments that existed anywhere in the world at the time. And the only thing they all

02:09:35.180 had in common was they all, like, were a thorn in Israel's side. They all, like, unlike Egypt 1.00

02:09:41.140 and Jordan, which are both, like, entirely financially dependent on, like, U.S. aid and

02:09:47.100 the billions they receive every year to play nice with israel uh all these other countries weren't

02:09:52.260 receiving you know billions in foreign aid and they were like behaving basically like rashly

02:10:00.360 and normally like they had the same reactions to israel's behavior that like that like most

02:10:06.580 observers had had like um a lot of these weren't even like that belligerent like uh

02:10:13.660 Gaddafi as far as I can recall

02:10:16.420 like never

02:10:17.240 never

02:10:19.180 sent aid or anything

02:10:22.380 then like if I recall right

02:10:24.380 Gaddafi like sent more aid to the

02:10:26.500 Irish Republican Army than he did to the

02:10:28.440 Palestinians but like 1.00

02:10:30.420 they're all these 1.00

02:10:31.140 weird regimes

02:10:34.380 that like the unique thing about them

02:10:36.320 is just that they aren't like 1.00

02:10:38.060 they're all Israel's

02:10:40.580 neighbors

02:10:40.880 and they all every single one of them had several warring factions vying for power

02:10:51.600 that could only be brought to heel by a dictator so the moment you took saddam out what happened

02:10:59.420 iraqi at arab spring between the sunni and the shia because you have these uh the sunni and the

02:11:05.720 elements in iraq who disagree on how to interpret foran who the prophet was and they hate each

02:11:11.880 other and then you also have the the holdouts from the baath regime which is saddam's like uh

02:11:19.000 turning nazbol into a real thing you know you see the same thing in libya except since we took

02:11:25.240 gaddafi out the entire country's falling apart and you have like a dozen different tribes and

02:11:31.400 factions fighting for power now still to this day you still have slave auctions going on in

02:11:36.820 Libya to this day where people who are trying to illegally migrate in Europe through Libya

02:11:42.580 are being captured by these various factions enslaved and then sold for something like 20-50

02:11:50.060 bucks equivalent in office all because we took Gaddafi out now when Gaddafi was in power

02:11:56.240 you know none of these guys were saints but when he was in power um Libya had some of the best

02:12:04.480 equality and women's rights in the Middle East and uh decent health care and education system 0.65

02:12:11.720 you know there's that meme with Gaddafi with all of his female bodyguards right

02:12:16.880 so it was basically a peaceful country Gaddafi wasn't trying to be aggressive to anybody he

02:12:24.480 wasn't invading anybody um so it didn't really make a whole lot of sense to take him out of power

02:12:31.740 unless you just wanted to destabilize the region then it made plenty of sense and then you have

02:12:36.900 Assad Bashar al-Assad who was the first person in Syria in a position of power to protect the

02:12:46.900 Christian minority in his country. And you had in 2013 and then again in 2017, so under the Obama and

02:12:55.100 the Trump administration, twice the U.S. government, the CIA, Secretary of Defense, President of the

02:13:02.740 United States, went on TV and accused Bashar al-Assad of gassing civilians in Syria. And both

02:13:09.900 times it was proven that it was the White Hats and Daesh and ISIS, the people that we were backing, 0.81

02:13:16.900 had gassed civilians and then tried to frame the syrian regime and in syria you know we could

02:13:25.820 have backed assad and then used uh a combination of carrot and stick to get him to enact some

02:13:34.560 reforms in order to lead the government in a in a direction that would have been better for all

02:13:41.120 people of syria instead we chose the most violent extreme element of the opposition of the rebels 0.90

02:13:48.800 a group that was so bloodthirsty the al-qaeda even wrote them off as being savages wouldn't deal with 0.84

02:13:54.960 them um all pedophiles and rapists and we funded and trained and supported them for years while 0.87

02:14:02.880 they turned into isis and then went on a rampage through middle east trying to start a caliphate 0.98

02:14:08.480 even when isis was crucifying toddlers in syria we still supported them gave them toyota trucks 0.86

02:14:20.320 wired them one we didn't stop supporting isis until they crossed over in iraq because you know 0.97

02:14:27.800 that's our little pet democracy country it's got oil but we were fine with them mass slaughtering 0.99

02:14:35.160 civilians and torturing them and putting it all over Twitter and Telegram as long as they kept 0.98

02:14:40.860 it in Syria. And somehow that was the same choice compared to Bashar al-Assad, who protected the 0.68

02:14:50.460 Christian minority and basically had a secular government. The beginnings of modernization 0.62

02:14:58.020 were happening in Syria under Assad. Now, he's not a perfect guy either. None of these guys are.

02:15:03.740 But I think if you look at the regions that they were in charge of and you look at all of these factions that want to kill each other in all of these countries, you might have to have a few generations of diet dictatorship to slowly bring them to a place where they can have peace and democracy.

02:15:23.960 And some of them may not even want democracy.

02:15:25.980 A lot of the people in the Middle East, even if you gave them the option, they would never choose it.

02:15:33.860 That's the thing that the Western mind has a lot of difficulty grasping.

02:15:37.560 It's just because you take out Assad or Gaddafi or the Ayatollah even.

02:15:44.040 That doesn't necessarily mean that those people want democracy.

02:15:47.020 Maybe they want a new regime or maybe they want to create something entirely of their own.

02:15:52.960 but they did the last thing they want is for the west to come in and say here's how it's going to be

02:15:57.920 because like in iraq and afghanistan we wrote their constitutions for them they didn't get

02:16:03.040 any say in that we wrote it all for them say here's the foundation of your government now

02:16:08.800 and they were very resentful about that they felt like they didn't have a

02:16:13.600 any skin in the game or a say in how their own government was formed

02:16:17.040 so we basically tried to repeat the same mistake in syria and libya and uh i think it would have

02:16:28.560 happened in lebanon too if things hadn't played out different and now we're looking at the

02:16:33.680 potential of going to war with iran and doing the same thing making these same mistakes that

02:16:37.920 we've made over and over and over and over again and it never works out well for us

02:16:41.960 it never works out better for the people there and then it always ends up causing this mass 1.00

02:16:49.540 influx of refugees back into our countries full of people who just watched us bomb their country 1.00

02:16:55.540 so you you have them resentful of you for coming in and telling them how to live their life and 1.00

02:17:03.280 killing their relatives and then you give them an opportunity to come live for free off of you 0.53

02:17:10.500 and expect them not to act out or bring the criminal elements of their culture you know in 0.84

02:17:17.740 the uk a lot of these guys in pakistan just go there for vacation they apply for asylum 0.68

02:17:24.900 they spend a year there knowing their asylum won't be granted and they live for free in a hotel for

02:17:31.700 a year it's like going on holiday for them and you know rape a few teenage girls while they're

02:17:37.280 there probably get away with it or get arrested and not even sentenced and then if their asylum

02:17:43.700 is rejected or they get arrested for pedophilia or rape well they get a free ticket home but if

02:17:54.120 they live in somewhere like syria or afghanistan the uk government doesn't have any uh dialogue

02:18:01.140 with those countries' governments, right?

02:18:03.660 So if you flee from Afghanistan or Syria into the UK

02:18:08.000 and your asylum gets rejected or you get arrested,

02:18:13.900 they can't even enforce deportation on you

02:18:16.780 because it's not like they can fly a plane into Afghanistan and drop you off. 0.55

02:18:21.020 And they can't talk to the Taliban to get them to agree to accept you. 0.57

02:18:25.460 So they can basically just go to the UK illegally, 0.61

02:18:28.360 apply for asylum live for free off of the system off taxpayer money for a year 0.65

02:18:33.440 and then even when the year is over and they're not approved for asylum they can just stay there

02:18:39.660 illegally and keep collecting whatever subsidies they can get access to because there's no way to

02:18:45.480 enforce the deportation and that is just the definition of a broken system

02:18:49.700 they will chain you like prometheus to a rock

02:19:01.020 where the memory of your own greatness will gnaw you hey you hear me

02:19:08.160 uh it started cutting out uh while you were talking and then it just uh dropped you entirely

02:19:17.360 out interesting that's easy for me to edit but uh i was

02:19:26.020 yeah yeah but um

02:19:30.140 part of my conspiratorial mind wonders if

02:19:35.980 if pardon that the the migrant situation has been funded to the health because and this is

02:19:43.620 getting very conspiratorial isn't because uh israel and the western elites attach them

02:19:50.020 want the same option the west that they've exercised throughout the middle east which is 0.88

02:19:54.820 they want they want tons of like corrupt uh corrupt unattached uh uh islamists that they can 0.91

02:20:05.580 give a shipping crate of small arms at any moment to to make a western country blow up if it starts 0.90

02:20:12.240 going up going up against Israel that uh you know like like yes yes that is speculative but if I had

02:20:21.240 to bet I would say you're 100 correct um it's a mix of that you know having a compromised

02:20:28.800 leadership that you can lean on any direction you want but I think it's also destabilizing 0.85

02:20:36.540 that region gives Israel a lot of leverage for power, and not just power and political influence, 0.72

02:20:44.160 but also financial leverage. You know, you look at what the U.S. and the U.K. have done throughout

02:20:49.400 the Global South. One of our favorite foreign policies is to destabilize a region more than

02:20:55.560 it already is, and then use it as leverage politically and financially to wage economic

02:21:02.060 warfare and to go in and do reconstruction but then the government owes money on all that

02:21:11.300 infrastructure we built and we know they're not going to be able to pay it back so then they're

02:21:15.240 enslaved to us through debt so i think it's a mixture of the political influence that israel

02:21:22.980 wants over compromised leaders in the middle east as well as the ability down the road for them to

02:21:31.440 kind of do the same thing that we've been doing is i think their plan is to subjugate a lot of

02:21:37.980 the middle east and then go in and modernize it and make a bunch of money off that and you know

02:21:45.940 everything i said earlier about afghanistan is all stuff that i've seen go down oh yeah in europe

02:21:53.940 Yep, absolutely, yeah. 0.97

02:21:56.260 That if you have like 200,000 Afghans who are already like corrupt pedophiles and we're like willing to work on these patrol bases, it's very easy to smuggle a shipping container of AK-47s into England. 0.98

02:22:14.980 And then, you know, if England ever votes against Israel or is against the index now, you won't go in anymore because they're in the midst of a civil war. 0.91

02:22:25.800 Oops.

02:22:27.720 Guess you shouldn't have left those.

02:22:29.120 Yeah, I mean, that is a very plausible.

02:22:32.020 That's a very plausible possibility.

02:22:34.680 I would give that plenty of.

02:22:38.540 Plenty of credence if I was a betting man. 0.91

02:22:40.860 And I mean, if you look at the IRA, not to besmirch the Irish, but a lot of the IRA for decades have been very far left and even courted in some of these Muslim groups. 0.91

02:22:52.660 I think if Mossad wanted to work some backdoor deals and ship a bunch of AKs to Ireland and then get them brought over to the UK from there, that would be something they could probably be able to do. 0.61

02:23:05.920 yeah if Gaddafi could pull it off in the 80s it'd be trivial to do now

02:23:11.740 absolutely yeah and i mean with all of the folks that they've had piling in there for the last 30

02:23:19.640 40 years if anything there's much more convenience and ways for them to make that happen now than

02:23:25.980 there was back then there's such a large muslim population in london and throughout the uk now

02:23:32.820 and even Ireland, that there's plenty more people

02:23:36.660 that they would be able to lean on to make that happen.

02:23:39.060 And I think we've even seen in the past where Mossad has tricked

02:23:43.020 Muslim organizations into working with Mossad assets

02:23:48.760 without even knowing it to do things like this. 0.99

02:23:51.640 So I wouldn't put it past them to do it in the West.

02:23:54.540 They've gotten pretty bold on how much they'll push back

02:23:59.220 against the U.S. and the U.K.

02:24:00.700 and the moves that they'll make that are obviously adversarial to both of us.

02:24:06.680 The fact that anyone on either side of the political spectrum in the West

02:24:12.020 would see Israel as an ally is just comical.

02:24:16.940 Adversary or allies don't spy on you.

02:24:20.480 Allies don't blackmail your government.

02:24:23.760 And allies don't put massive amounts of funding

02:24:27.420 into sending the people that they're at war with into your country.

02:24:31.680 If we're allies with Israel, then that means that we're enemies with their enemies, too. 0.78

02:24:37.540 We're inheriting all of our allies' enemies when you forge an alliance with someone. 0.80

02:24:42.760 That's common sense. 0.79

02:24:44.580 So if the Muslims in Syria and in Lebanon and Pakistan are at war with Israel and we're allied with Israel.

02:24:54.660 oh i think i lost you there could you repeat that

02:24:58.840 there we go now you're back so i was saying that uh you know we get an alliance with israel you

02:25:05.240 inherit the enemies of your allies so if israel is at war with all these dozens and dozens different

02:25:11.120 groups of muslims and then we're importing those people we're importing the enemies of our ally 0.88

02:25:17.820 and all the muslims see us being in bed with israel which naturally makes them see us as 0.98

02:25:25.500 an enemy as well there's no logic to this whatsoever that you can argue on me any sort

02:25:32.600 of good faith why we would be increasing migration from all these war torn nations in the middle 0.66

02:25:38.560 east that we've been helping bomb and disrupt and destabilize for decades on behalf of tel aviv 0.72

02:25:45.060 To any rational, bound-thinking person, this would be absolutely absurd.

02:25:52.320 And somehow we have people on both sides of the political spectrum to justify it every day.

02:26:00.360 Yeah.

02:26:02.340 Like, Epson on its own would have been like, that's worse than Pearl Harbor.

02:26:10.420 The current estimate for the number of vaccines victims released by the DOJ and reported it into, you know, the two most pro-Israel parts of like the U.S. government and the media currently estimate the number of victims at over a thousand.

02:26:32.700 So over a thousand underage, underage girls, you know, female child civilian targeted with no declaration of war in peace, peacetime by a normal ally with the hope of like never announcing this to, to America or the public.

02:26:57.100 like uh pearl harbor was 2500 soldiers in like hours before a declaration of war

02:27:06.160 you know yeah and i mean even even though it was a sucker punch by japan

02:27:11.860 they were bombed a military target not civilians and it was it was just war you know it hadn't

02:27:21.040 been declared yet see if you even argue about the ethics of that but it was just a surprise attack 0.98

02:27:26.400 against the foreign military but mass raping underage girls that's infinitely worth and

02:27:35.200 i and i would like to think that if this had happened to us during the time of pearl harbor 0.96

02:27:40.800 that we would have gone to war with whoever had done that you go in and mass rape underage women

02:27:46.320 in someone else's country that's an act of war in my mind troy was fought over the rape of one woman

02:27:56.400 yeah like the trident war was fought over the rape and kidnapping of one woman

02:28:02.740 so so like a thousand in in the heart of the american empire in new york city like uh that's

02:28:11.920 that's like it has to be amongst the like worst attacks and like war crimes that have ever been

02:28:21.500 carried out against like a major empire fire like during peacetime like that's the insane thing

02:28:31.300 they'll do that to their allies what do you think they're doing that we don't know about to their 0.92

02:28:37.020 enemies if they'll rape a thousand young girls here in the u.s and supposedly they're our greatest 0.79

02:28:43.480 ally what kind of stuff are they sponsoring in the middle east against the people they're openly 0.94

02:28:49.440 adversarial too and you know Epstein's just one guy I guarantee you there's dozens maybe hundreds

02:28:56.480 of guys like him doing the same thing here in the U.S. and all over if uh if that stuff were to come

02:29:03.480 to light yeah no it's one of the most like shocking and shameful things in U.S. history

02:29:15.180 and the fact that you'll have these people like try to defend it or try to contextualize it

02:29:23.440 or try to say oh well everyone performs espionage on everyone or uh or uh you know it's not that

02:29:31.900 bad or it wasn't that many or it's just like 17 year old prostitutes and we know that like those

02:29:36.440 girls as young as 11 or or oh they were willing when we know that like several tried to escape

02:29:43.240 the island and were like hunted down in boats and dragged back to to little saint james and like

02:29:50.340 the u.s virgin islands have released reports on this they're like this is and we had and

02:29:58.060 people say well well you don't know it's israel when you know a rock met with epstein 30 times

02:30:06.020 between 2013 and 2018 and you know the israeli prime minister was meeting with epstein

02:30:12.420 at Epstein's house, and Gisling Maxwell's dad is buried at the Mount of Olives and had like six

02:30:21.180 current and former heads of Mossad in attendance, and the Israeli prime, uh, I can't remember if

02:30:28.720 it was the prime minister or the president, uh, Israel has both, uh, one of them was the one who

02:30:34.340 read the eulogy like uh the the idea that this isn't very clearly open and shut or that uh

02:30:43.020 or that you don't need a thorough like like church committee type inquest

02:30:50.040 but at the minimum to like dig it all all out if they were somehow like if there's a somehow a rogue

02:31:01.460 element and that this wouldn't be the basis of like

02:31:04.600 them losing a ton in negotiation at the minimum

02:31:09.260 but uh like

02:31:12.360 evidence linking

02:31:13.720 evidence linking Epstein to Mossad is insurmountable you know no serious

02:31:20.360 thinking individual can possibly with a straight face say that there's any

02:31:24.720 doubt in their mind about Epstein being a Mossad asset

02:31:27.800 But what they did, you know, our ancestors would have burned cities for this.

02:31:35.280 They would have been nailing people to two pieces of wood or throwing them in a wicker mat.

02:31:41.040 And it's shameful that we won't even come even close to what we should be doing for retribution, even a fraction of what should be done to these people. 0.84

02:31:53.780 Well, Japan, they ate two nukes over Pearl Harbor. 0.83

02:31:57.800 yeah i mean we incinerated cities for far less than this and i think this

02:32:04.200 calls for us doing it again um i think it just further solidifies unfortunately that there's

02:32:11.620 no political solution if people can rationalize this in their mind then there's no depth that

02:32:18.940 they won't sink to to be complicit to this regime as long as the system keeps going and they keep

02:32:25.480 getting the comforts and conveniences out of it,

02:32:30.260 they will rationalize it however they have to.

02:32:33.720 But I think Epstein's been a black pill for everyone,

02:32:37.160 even the normies, that there is no political solution.

02:32:41.320 Boomers will accept anything as long as they think

02:32:44.320 that they'll still get Medicaid and Social Security, 1.00

02:32:47.800 which is insane.

02:32:49.100 Absolutely.

02:32:50.280 They will accept extraordinary amounts

02:32:52.960 And people vaguely associated with government will say and do anything to accept to keep working for the government or to keep, like, not having cognitive dissonance about working for the government. 1.00

02:33:07.080 Well, may all their caregivers be Somalian. 0.96

02:33:10.180 oh and by the way not to go too far off topic but did you see did you see the black guy with 0.99

02:33:16.920 the 20 pound chain that got sucked sideways folded in like a lawn chair inside that mri machine

02:33:24.120 yesterday uh i did not see and i heard about it is there a video is there like a

02:33:31.680 uh there's not a video of it happening but he was wearing a 20 pound workout chain with padlock

02:33:38.560 And apparently he didn't know how magnets work.

02:33:41.520 So he walked up to an MRI while it was active and got sucked inside of it.

02:33:47.200 And he basically became Mjolnir.

02:33:51.500 Extraordinary.

02:33:53.200 Ancient civilizations would worship this man as a god.

02:33:57.420 You know, there would be stories about him like that guy who dived into the volcano and became a volcano god.

02:34:04.540 It's like this guy would become, you know, technically this is how Western culture still works.

02:34:10.820 You know, there should be a comic book about this man getting superpowers from this.

02:34:16.500 But ancient civilizations would worship this man as like the ghost of the MRI machines or something.

02:34:24.000 The Lord of Chains or what have you.

02:34:26.260 extraordinary 1.00

02:34:28.720 I'm just imagining a black man 1.00

02:34:30.520 wearing 20 pounds of chains 1.00

02:34:32.160 floating sideways through the air

02:34:33.960 it mocked Jesus in my mind

02:34:35.580 and it's

02:34:35.940 I really want to see the memes

02:34:38.940 that the boys create out of this

02:34:40.400 the meme game

02:34:45.860 the meme game has been

02:34:48.080 shirking its responsibility on this

02:34:50.040 now I check 4chan

02:34:52.980 they might have something like this

02:34:54.460 on this yet

02:34:55.140 Alrighty, maybe. Although 4chan isn't what it was.

02:34:59.740 But we had been going for about

02:35:02.700 three hours on the state of 1.00

02:35:06.540 Middle East feet of poor Afghani boys 1.00

02:35:10.980 and the horrible things 1.00

02:35:15.180 inflicted on them and the horrible things inflicted on

02:35:18.660 American girls by largely the same enemies

02:35:22.220 and British girls by largely the same enemies.

02:35:26.680 Did you have any final thoughts, Danny?

02:35:30.820 Wicker man.

02:35:32.420 My final thought.

02:35:34.040 Wicker man.

02:35:36.080 You saw my tweet on this.

02:35:39.780 Yeah, you and I are of the same mind on that.

02:35:42.160 I'm writing a book about this right now.

02:35:44.960 We're very much synergistic when it comes to this.

02:35:49.500 The Wicker man existed for a reason.

02:35:52.220 This is the true trad solution to the problems of modern governance 1.00

02:35:57.760 and ethnic enemies infiltrating your spaces. 1.00

02:36:02.660 You need to sacrifice them to the sun at May festivals. 1.00

02:36:07.800 And this will bring bountiful harvests and happy civilizations and good governance.

02:36:15.600 Also, it's just very visually compelling.

02:36:18.660 All right. Well, thanks again for having me on the show.

02:36:20.960 I appreciate it as always. It's great to be here. Thank you for having me on.

02:36:25.400 Thank you for coming on. This has been an amazing experience for me, and I'm certain very informative for our listeners.

02:36:36.000 In all the worst ways.

02:36:39.900 Yes, do look at the show notes. I've been adding links to my little notepad during the show.

02:36:49.620 I'm going to have 1.00

02:36:51.560 Muammar Gaddafi's

02:36:54.140 little green book down there.

02:36:56.720 I have the links

02:36:58.000 to the documentaries on

02:36:59.640 Bacha Bazi. I have the YouTube

02:37:01.760 link. I have

02:37:03.980 the Clean Break

02:37:05.060 New Strategy for

02:37:07.980 Securing the Realm by

02:37:09.480 Wolf of Wits.

02:37:15.920 No, no, no. It was

02:37:17.620 prepared by Richard Pearl

02:37:19.400 for benjamin netanyahu and then got adapted uh through of the throughout the u.s uh another

02:37:30.440 thing you should look up dear listeners is uh to get a feel for like the the war that uh america

02:37:41.320 has just funded in syria and its outcomes look of asthma al-assad uh the first lady

02:37:49.420 of syria from 2000 to uh 2024 uh she was raised in england she's a she's ethnically syrian but like

02:38:03.180 very

02:38:05.600 uppercast. She looks like

02:38:08.540 a little English girl. 0.99

02:38:10.840 Every photo she's in 0.96

02:38:12.780 she has her hair uncovered 1.00

02:38:14.780 and she looks as English 0.60

02:38:16.660 as English gets.

02:38:19.780 And she was

02:38:20.840 the first lady of Syria and this was 0.65

02:38:22.720 the type of 0.98

02:38:24.060 government and culture the

02:38:26.600 Assad regime was

02:38:28.520 maintaining in Syria, this

02:38:29.980 secular multi-ethnic society.

02:38:33.180 And we overthrew that to install an Islamist terrorist who had worked variously for Al-Qaeda and ISIS, because he was willing to accept funding from Israel, whereas Assad was not.

02:38:53.340 And this is the state of U.S. foreign policy, that Americans will bomb ISIS in Iraq and then fund ISIS in Syria, despite them being the exact same organization and those arms flowing backwards and forth freely.

02:39:13.260 Really. This is creating deserts and calling it peace by not even having the nerve to use your own arms for it.

02:39:23.900 Having to make other people fight over it.

02:39:29.360 Ironically, the only fictional depiction of this foreign policy that I have ever seen is Zardos.

02:39:35.840 With Don Connery. That is American foreign policy. It's Zardos.

02:39:43.260 Which is, says something about the state of the world we're in.

02:39:52.220 Danny Wolf is on Substack.

02:39:56.200 I'll link to you, Danny.

02:39:57.860 And your book is coming out soon.

02:40:03.260 Or will be.

02:40:06.420 Yeah, I've got a novel coming out.

02:40:09.260 It deals with a lot of the themes that have collapsed. 0.95

02:40:11.840 and uh the zoomer plight because of how the boomers sold us out to private equity

02:40:19.400 so uh i guess you could call it sort of a mashup of fight club and mike ma there there will be

02:40:27.120 plenty of blood actualization rituals and wicker men amazing stuff keep your eyes peeled for it

02:40:34.840 And remember, dear listener, no one is paying me or the Anarchonomicon project for this.

02:40:42.140 No one is, no organization will pay us to be this based at you.

02:40:50.460 You have, if you want all this to continue, you have to for yourself. 0.95

02:40:56.140 Cat girls don't grow on trees.

02:40:59.760 But yeah, I think that was a good episode.

02:41:03.700 What do you think?

02:41:04.840 yeah i hope so i didn't go into super graphic detail because i didn't want to

02:41:11.480 um get too hung up on the the worst parts of it but i think i got the point across

02:41:17.440 uh that's what makes this the nark and homicon broadcast you have to go into like

02:41:25.700 the horrifying graphic detail i had the disclaimer at the start you

02:41:29.020 You know, ideally, you say something and you don't cry, but you look very forlorn, but one of the listeners cries, you know?

02:41:39.860 I will keep that in mind going forward. My apologies.

02:41:45.380 Yeah, I gotta have the real Barbara Walters heartfelt interview. I've been told I need to cultivate this serious 60 Minutes voice.

02:41:56.820 it is weird to me though that they're like that that vice documentary um 2013 he filmed it with

02:42:06.720 us in 2010 and 2011 and then they spent the next two years editing it putting it together

02:42:12.720 all the stuff's been out there but none of it was put out there in a big way

02:42:17.960 so it's almost like they had it out there to where they could say they documented it 0.81

02:42:22.620 cover their ass but in a way where it wouldn't ever be widespread and yes i don't know about 0.95

02:42:31.120 all the different provinces of afghanistan but i know in the province i was in literally every 0.99

02:42:36.460 single pb and every single district had bachibasi 0.92

02:42:39.400 vice is vice is interesting because they're a canadian company that was founded by hipsters 0.96

02:42:49.320 like 0.98

02:42:50.140 like uh

02:42:51.500 yeah Shane Black

02:42:55.640 and

02:42:56.700 they grew this like

02:42:59.340 very

02:43:00.300 like very grassroots very organic 0.99

02:43:03.540 apparently they're kind of dicks to dicks 0.99

02:43:05.580 this way 0.99

02:43:19.320 Thank you.

02:43:49.320 We'll be right back.

02:44:19.320 Thank you.

02:44:49.320 Thank you.

02:45:19.320 Thank you.

02:45:49.320 Thank you.

02:46:19.320 We'll see you next time.

Anarchonomicon - September 29, 2025

Ep 18 Bacha Bazi and the Horrors of Empire w⧸Danny Wolf

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