Anarchonomicon - December 03, 2025


Ep 20 Hobos and More w⧸Lord Woodmouse


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00:00:00.000 They will chain you, like Prometheus, to a rock, where the memory of your own greatness
00:00:15.080 will gnaw you the battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the
00:00:33.300 video arena the video drone you look around what do you see businessmen
00:00:38.580 teachers lawyers carpenters the very minds of the people we are trying to
00:00:44.420 save but until we do these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy
00:00:50.140 no we're not doing that you're getting called a slur after all there is nothing real outside
00:00:57.320 our perception of reality is there you can see that can't you tribal people uh one of their main
00:01:06.720 kinds of sport is sort of butchering each other it's a full-time sport in tribal societies 0.76
00:01:13.160 You, my children, are the water. They will wash away all that has gone before.
00:01:21.860 The gleam in the eye of sex.
00:01:24.520 It's very simple. The message is force is more effective than voting. Elections change nothing.
00:01:31.640 But I had some ideas. We got global and tribal. We were going to become...
00:01:35.340 The closer you get together, the more you like each other.
00:01:37.460 Yeah.
00:01:38.180 There's no evidence of that in any situation that we've ever heard of.
00:01:41.880 Major Lennox answered with his life, as you should have done if you had any sense of honor.
00:01:46.880 You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.
00:01:51.880 And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
00:01:58.880 He who saves a nation violates no law.
00:02:05.880 All forms of violence are requests for identity.
00:02:09.880 When you live out on the frontier, you have no identity, you're a nobody, therefore you
00:02:15.020 get very tough.
00:02:17.020 You have to prove that you are somebody, and so you become very violent. 1.00
00:02:21.940 I'm coming to kill you! 1.00
00:02:24.680 For greater safety, please avoid the English language. 0.99
00:02:30.960 Please do not translate this message.
00:02:34.760 And so identity is always accompanied by violence.
00:02:39.100 This seems paradoxical to you?
00:02:41.200 It works.
00:02:42.400 Violence works.
00:02:44.140 Therefore, television is reality.
00:02:48.040 And reality is less than television.
00:02:51.100 Were you listening to me, Neo?
00:02:52.800 Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? 0.98
00:02:55.300 It's just a grotesque postmodern psyop and anyone who's fallen for this is brain damaged.
00:03:00.440 Hello, hello, hello, glorious listeners.
00:03:03.300 Welcome to another exciting episode of the Inarconomicon podcast.
00:03:06.380 Today we are, I am celebrating my big recent post, a tactical espionage dollar store hobo, 116 pages of my most insane modern espionage, urban warfare theories, theories, the Anarchonomicon kit list,
00:03:32.060 to all my secrets that I've accumulated, all the things you can do with ordinary household
00:03:41.380 items you can buy at the dollar store to partake in modern espionage warfare.
00:03:50.880 Big project that I've had in the work in a long time.
00:03:54.620 It went out like two weeks ago under paywall, so all my glorious paid subscribers out there,
00:04:01.420 Thank you so much for supporting the project.
00:04:04.960 Thank you so much for keeping Anarchonomicon online and going and making it so that I do not starve in the streets.
00:04:14.400 I don't have to be quite a hobo all the time.
00:04:17.900 But that is now out of paywall.
00:04:21.760 We've had a put out a glorious video promo that I am quite proud of.
00:04:28.900 I find quite funny.
00:04:30.020 I find all the references in that little video promo excellent.
00:04:34.980 And today I am joined by Lord Woodmouse.
00:04:40.800 Say hello, my Lord.
00:04:43.920 Hello, glorious listeners.
00:04:46.960 Yes, today I'm joined by Lord Woodmouse, and we are just going to be discussing the piece.
00:04:53.280 He read it while it was in paywall, and we're going to be diving through the piece, sharing
00:05:03.000 theories, hyping it up, having a little discussion about the end product.
00:05:09.460 Obviously, it's vastly longer than we can get through over the next hour or so, so we're
00:05:18.080 just going to be hyping up discussing an interview uh chilling absolutely what did you think of it
00:05:28.540 what what did you take away what was the dramatic uh insight that you enjoyed or maybe you didn't
00:05:37.380 enjoy maybe you thought i'm i'm a complete retard what did you think um well when it first came out
00:05:44.700 um my this is you know not to glaze too hard but my friend texted me at the same time I texted him
00:05:54.240 I was like dude look what look what just dropped and he like he was literally he was texting me
00:06:00.140 like at the same time so he was very excited I was very excited um and uh yeah I read it
00:06:06.940 pretty quickly and uh yeah it was a lot of good stuff I mean it was a lot in the same vein
00:06:13.160 of the Luigi Mangione one which I really really liked um you know if you're into that kind of
00:06:22.360 stuff is you know like an academic exercise and um you know if you're writing a novel about a
00:06:29.240 contemporary insurgency or criminal operation um and you wanted to make it realistic that would
00:06:36.720 be a great place to start and uh yeah i thought that the dollar star hobo thing was an excellent
00:06:44.100 expounding on that and building on that like in a lot more detail and a lot more
00:06:51.380 um a lot of practical notes i will say the biggest thing that struck me in terms of insight
00:06:58.960 i was just thinking about this a second ago when we talked about it um was how everybody gets hung
00:07:06.420 up on uh weapons like particularly in the u.s we have this sort of fascination with weaponry and
00:07:16.300 and i think and this has actually come on the discord but i think it's almost like a uh
00:07:21.540 it's a little bit of a crutch because we we kind of uh i think that the possession of so many
00:07:29.260 armaments gives us a false sense of security we get all wrapped up on all these weapons that we
00:07:33.580 have but you made an excellent point in that article where you said look all these big weapons
00:07:40.680 especially automatic weapons are effectively defensive they're to make up for the fact that
00:07:45.180 you got surprised or like that you you know you're you can't know when you're going to be attacked so
00:07:50.200 your defensive weaponry has to be very heavy has to be able to deliver overwhelming firepower
00:07:54.820 but when you're doing offense it's the exact opposite and you want to be quiet and you want
00:08:01.820 to be discreet and you want to be um kind of really low key and i thought that was a very
00:08:09.700 good point and it also dovetailed nicely with like i've been reading a lot about the ira recently i
00:08:15.780 just finished bandit country which is about the ira and south armagh northern ireland and the
00:08:20.500 trouble and a country is an amazing book uh i've been dragging my feet on writing a a review of it
00:08:29.800 it's a long book i've been dragging my feet on finishing it's like four of them it's super long
00:08:35.000 i didn't realize how long it was like picked up and and you know you trudge through it and it's
00:08:39.500 like it's it's good so it's easy to read but it's like i was like how am i not done with this i'm
00:08:43.980 like 300 pages in there's another 150 pages but that was a really really good book for and it was
00:08:50.720 very contemporary so like most of the lessons would still apply um but then i i just i started
00:08:56.840 reading i'm like three quarters the way through guerrilla days in ireland by tom barry which is
00:09:01.240 about the ira and west the west cork brigade in uh the irish anglo war of of 1919 to 1921 that led 0.98
00:09:10.320 to irish independence and those guys started with zero weapons and these absolute fucking chads 0.99
00:09:18.700 would just um ambush british patrols and like literally take their fucking rifles from like 1.00
00:09:25.320 with no casualty. 0.98
00:09:27.040 I mean, like, if you have the element
00:09:29.240 of surprise, or, like, the other
00:09:31.200 guy's drunk or sleep, you can, like, 0.98
00:09:33.520 you can kill someone with a rock in a 0.99
00:09:35.340 sock. 1.00
00:09:37.360 You can kill someone with your... 0.99
00:09:39.460 Yeah, like, like, you know, 0.99
00:09:41.740 yeah, exactly.
00:09:43.300 And it is... I've been beating this one.
00:09:45.400 Well, I'm a weakling. I can't
00:09:47.360 quite kill someone with my hands. 0.98
00:09:48.960 My little dinky fingers won't quite 1.00
00:09:51.240 reach around their neck. But, uh,
00:09:53.640 you know, you give yourself, like,
00:09:55.320 some norm some reasonable leverage and like uh you can overcome that
00:10:00.560 fair enough but you know napoleon says uh in war the moral is the physical is three is to one
00:10:09.620 so when you have that like moral moral in the sense of like morale not necessarily ethics but
00:10:17.260 like um although that plays a part like whether you feel that you're in the right or not um
00:10:22.180 in the irish had all of the above it was like they felt they were morally justified but they
00:10:26.880 also had this incredible morale and when you have the momentum of like catching somebody by surprise
00:10:31.600 it really demoralizes them uh nobody nobody wants to be caught by surprise and they're
00:10:37.600 you know they're they they're in cooper's color code white and you're in cooper's color code red
00:10:41.800 it's like pretty much that's the end of the story you know so um i thought that was anyway that was
00:10:47.760 a long way to say one of the biggest insights i took from that was not to not to confuse offensive
00:10:56.520 and defensive armaments and i've definitely been guilty of that as anybody like as any american
00:11:02.880 like man i gotta get more would it be great to have you know a different rifle or a better rifle
00:11:08.460 or like you know a different this or different that or man it sucks that you can't get you know
00:11:12.760 automatic what you know all this stuff of like wouldn't it be cool if we had mortars and it's
00:11:15.920 like yeah at the end of the day like all this big weaponry is ultimately not for guerrilla warfare
00:11:23.560 it's not for insurgents it doesn't even work particularly well for most well orders you can
00:11:28.520 make yourself that's i shouldn't have said the rounds the rounds are like a little bit more of a
00:11:35.080 design feat but the the yeah that's one of the lessons of bandit country is how effective mortars
00:11:41.500 are um indirect fire is a magical thing uh actually i i've been uh one of the pieces that
00:11:52.580 i've been working on and i've been meaning to like just double check some things before i actually
00:11:57.180 write it but one of the pieces i've been working on is uh how to defeat an armored column with
00:12:03.140 nothing but garbage and of course the because uh i'm already spoiling it now i might as well uh
00:12:11.960 tanks offend me uh they insist upon themselves uh i i do not care for for the modern maiden 0.88
00:12:21.900 main battle tank and what it's done to warfare you know
00:12:27.020 uh infantry for the tough uh artillery for the smart cavalry for the brave it ruined cavalry
00:12:37.200 like uh cavalry does not have the ethos it once did because you can't say cavalry for the brave
00:12:43.400 when you're the the most armored thing on the modern battlefield you know now it's like uh
00:12:49.640 The cavalry for, like, the gearhead.
00:12:52.680 But the other thing is, like, it hasn't really, but, like, in people's psychology, it has made, like, the modern battlefield pay to win.
00:13:03.120 Which, like, if you can tell from this piece, I'm very opposed to that ethos.
00:13:09.160 I firmly believe in, like, some broke-ass guy who, like, just has been willing to read, like, a lot of PDFs and, like, endure a lot of suffering, his ability to, like, change the modern battlefield.
00:13:26.460 Maybe this is like my Canadian, like, scouts slash cadets, like, mind of like, you know, oh, we're broke and no one thinks much of us, but we're scrappy and also we know all the dirty tricks.
00:13:44.840 but uh so one of the things that i've been like
00:13:50.080 i i want to write a piece on it's just like how to fight like a full-size armored platoon
00:13:58.540 with garbage you know assuming you have like 36 people are willing to accept that half of the
00:14:06.200 mark coming back but like that's the key like if you have like to the hobo thing like if you had 0.83
00:14:13.480 a thousand guys that were committed
00:14:15.340 and
00:14:17.040 like true believers
00:14:18.680 you could probably take down a modern
00:14:23.420 state
00:14:23.940 oh less
00:14:26.240 less
00:14:26.760 like
00:14:28.000 if you see watch Michael Collins
00:14:33.380 the movie like
00:14:34.720 that film actually
00:14:36.880 what are the better Liam Neeson roles
00:14:39.400 watch that film
00:14:40.700 I haven't watched that okay
00:14:42.620 michael collins the movie okay yeah with liam neeson it was done in the 90s uh it they do like
00:14:51.340 a like the hobo theory is like kind of derived from like their guerrilla camp campaign you know
00:14:59.280 a lot of it scaled up to like uh to like uh a world with like persistent ai surveillance and
00:15:08.220 like cameras everywhere and like a very sophisticated surveillance state but uh like
00:15:13.640 they really michael collins like the the irish republican army under him they had uh like fewer
00:15:24.700 than like 600 700 guys like uh his famous uh assassins the 12 apostles were 12 guys
00:15:35.380 mind you they were 12 guys like working around a clock like uh gathering intel and assassinating
00:15:43.480 people but like uh in total like the number of people who died in the uh the entire uh irish
00:15:51.800 civil not the irish civil war the irish war of independence was like uh six like fewer than 600
00:16:00.040 people is like 582 yeah it was kind of like a false it was like a small-scale war yeah yeah
00:16:07.660 which um is like one of the curious things about it because like the british had just fought world
00:16:14.760 war one and like they lost 50 000 men in like one day at the song yeah and it's like well why
00:16:25.520 were they willing to give up ireland for so few and there's like a political side to it
00:16:32.340 and there's a timing thing and there's also like uh just like how colin's head of
00:16:41.260 staged and timed it that like uh it was feeling very apparent that like uh
00:16:46.400 like uh the way he'd stage it he'd like matches and husbanded uh his public support very well
00:16:55.400 that like uh the british could escalate but there was like no way for them to escalate in a way
00:17:01.860 that wouldn't cause a counter escalation so like despite the fact that like theoretically the
00:17:08.280 british could lose like 50 000 casualties it's like well the irish are willing to lose like
00:17:14.320 like by the time you get to the point where you've lost like 50 000 casualties
00:17:18.820 which like most of the british like parliament was willing to like even countenance that as an
00:17:25.160 idea but like even if you like head the will there it's like to get to that point you'd have
00:17:31.260 to like you'd be progressing the irish show to a point where they're willing to like lose 250 000
00:17:38.080 people and it would still not be solved at that point they would have got irish people to take
00:17:44.700 up arms because like at the time you know the reading this book about that same war
00:17:50.060 by tom barry and granted he's just talking about west corks it's only one area
00:17:54.840 but he was the most the most active commander um it really was like a small portion of the
00:18:03.260 population that was fighting and most of the population supported them but they weren't
00:18:07.160 actively they weren't actively fighting um but the more the british did the more it earned them
00:18:15.800 and and one of the things that like this is kind of one of the things that i have written about a
00:18:23.040 little i want to write more specifically about the the ethics of insurgency but like there's a real
00:18:28.820 power just practically and politically i know a lot of people in like sort of new right-wing
00:18:35.000 spaces especially like nichian types and he's wanted you know they want to be like well we
00:18:39.280 don't need a reason and there doesn't need to be a justification and morality doesn't matter and 1.00
00:18:43.580 it's like to me that's it's just intellectual laziness it's like it sounds posed and badass
00:18:50.920 and it's like actually it's it's just shows that you haven't put in the work to think about it
00:18:55.440 because morality it's like i'm not telling you what your morality should be but it is just an
00:19:00.120 order of priorities and well this is the problem with like most political theorizing is that uh
00:19:08.360 like there's morality which is like base like uh there's morality which is like basically this is
00:19:17.540 the thing i want and like uh you know every like political commentator does this where they tell
00:19:23.040 a just story so story where morality is this core factor we know it's this core factor there go you
00:19:29.440 know through a chain of like subversions and like steps where they slip something in ergo my political
00:19:36.480 program and my ideals are the only thing that can work you know uh ergo any government that's not
00:19:44.480 like a uh integralist catholic government is doomed to fail or ergo any like uh political
00:19:51.480 program that isn't a democracy is doomed to fail or ergo anything but absolute monarchy
00:19:56.800 cannot sustain self and it's like
00:19:59.880 obviously like you can see
00:20:01.900 where they slip it in but then
00:20:04.040 there's the
00:20:05.940 inversion of that where you just reject
00:20:07.860 the moral or the
00:20:14.000 morale like 0.98
00:20:15.280 the French I quite like
00:20:17.940 the French E on the end 0.99
00:20:19.980 of morale
00:20:20.660 and like military
00:20:23.780 moral where
00:20:25.680 where it's like very plainly saying that no this is like in we're discussing a like physical
00:20:32.220 fat factor of like group cohesion that is divorced from like propositions of abstract
00:20:40.000 morality or like absolute morality this is like a social and internal motivational part because
00:20:46.880 people tend to think they they they tend to only have that cohesion when they think that it is
00:20:53.060 rightly or wrongly when they think that it's connected to the abstraction so for example
00:20:58.680 where i was not not yes and no you don't remember like commissars work like the fastest way to
00:21:06.920 erase the morale of the unit is just to shoot the man who is like belly aching the most and say that
00:21:15.120 can be you and like that actually has a profound effect positive effect on uh unit morale and uh
00:21:23.120 is quite quite effective and actually increases the unit morale in uh the dawn of war video game
00:21:30.580 uh well that is important uh but yeah i mean in the in the short term uh that is true within the
00:21:39.800 But I'm speaking like more broadly in terms of like winning the battle for the hearts and minds of not just your own unit, like your own unit is very important.
00:21:51.320 It's perhaps the most important thing, but also everyone else that you need to persuade, because ultimately, like human political order, you know, we like this is where like the might makes right thing breaks down is like humans aren't constituted such that, you know, one person can actually exert much force.
00:22:09.800 against other people no i'm gonna i'm gonna push back on that this is one of the things that uh
00:22:16.760 that uh i know exactly the point you're making it's a very coherent point it's a very popular
00:22:22.400 point but uh if you actually study the history of like grill insurgency one of the first things you
00:22:29.120 you start to realize that uh that's not the case or if you study it honestly a lot of people like
00:22:35.940 desperately want to draw the wrong conclusion from the history of real warfare
00:22:39.680 but uh if you say like the campaigns of like chairman mao or like any of the uh communist
00:22:46.020 rebel insertions uh they managed to get like insane amounts of support from the local populace
00:22:52.840 and if you read like mao's uh guerrilla warfare or like a lot of the accounts
00:22:58.640 accounts of it like the cuban revolution the first thing you realize is that it's like
00:23:04.260 Oh, these guys are getting, like, public support by being incredibly vicious monsters.
00:23:10.160 Like, Mao insisted that the insurgent must swim through the populace as a fish through the ocean.
00:23:18.880 Public support is as vital to the insurgent as, like, oxygenated water is to the fish.
00:23:25.560 You know, if the insurgent loses public support, it's as if the waterfall to the stream, to the pond has stopped, and now it's stagnant water and just, he starved.
00:23:43.940 So how do you increase public support from the insurgent?
00:23:48.160 and i was very clear about this terrorism that uh the fastest that and what he describes is uh
00:23:57.140 that the public responds to the perception of the ability to commit violence that uh
00:24:04.780 that actually the fastest way to drive public support is not to like you know really convince
00:24:11.300 the public that you're doing good work or like have outreach programs and whatnot it's to like
00:24:17.980 start running protection rackets on them and taxing them and like committing violence against
00:24:23.620 like the one or two informants or like the people who refuse the tax and then more importantly to
00:24:30.200 like bomb the government official buildings because the first thing that the public learns
00:24:37.060 is that they can consistently uh is that the violence of the insurgent is consistent and
00:24:46.360 unavoidable and the violence of the government is like uh weak or like or like uh inconsistent
00:24:56.760 or that they can't protect protect themselves and it actually like the the kind of democratic like
00:25:04.220 uh like our democracy view of like hearts and minds is completely wrong in that like
00:25:13.920 okay i wouldn't disagree with any of that i shouldn't have used the phrase hearts and minds
00:25:18.180 so what i mean is not that you necessarily need the support of the majority or even the
00:25:22.540 like the people per se but what i mean is if you break it down if we strip down power
00:25:30.800 like the origins of power let's say like um like it let's say that i'm i'm stronger than you
00:25:38.380 you know i can maybe make you do what i want if you happen to be in the same room with me
00:25:44.480 um you know for a period of time and maybe even beat you down to like do it a little bit
00:25:52.940 outside of that room but you know it's very unlikely that i'm so strong that i can do that
00:26:00.020 to two or three people at a time so on some level i have to convince people
00:26:06.180 Some group of people
00:26:08.380 That there's some reason
00:26:10.780 That they should cooperate with me
00:26:13.400 In protecting power 0.96
00:26:15.100 Against other people
00:26:16.200 And then once you have some organized core
00:26:19.400 Yeah
00:26:20.800 An organized
00:26:22.120 Small organized minority committing violence 0.72
00:26:25.280 Who's really dedicated to it
00:26:26.920 Yeah it doesn't really matter what a disorganized
00:26:29.280 And you know generally
00:26:31.000 Unserious public thinks
00:26:32.740 Necessarily
00:26:33.920 And you could take a variety
00:26:36.180 It depends on the public. I would say that it depends on the habits of the people and what they're used to and how much they're used to resisting. The Chinese who are historically very accustomed to servitude is probably a different story than a population that's not used to that.
00:26:52.680 But yeah, there's nothing there's nothing untrue about what he's saying. But what I all I'm saying is like, when we talk about the morals, it's like, if you break down this idea of like, well, there is no morality, and it doesn't matter. It's like, well, that's, that's, it's an incoherent, it's a logically incoherent worldview, because even the speaker.
00:27:14.260 Well, like, so for example, morality, like one of the best examples of a coherent moral, moral with like the silent E on the end, air quotes, insurgency that was heavily, that was like very effective, and it's still very effective, is the Epstein blackmail network.
00:27:42.820 belly all those people
00:27:44.960 uh really
00:27:47.240 really believe in the code of silence
00:27:49.300 between them none of them are ratting on each other
00:27:51.340 they're they're almost
00:27:53.280 all very convinced that like if you
00:27:55.340 rat you will be you can 0.99
00:27:57.300 be killed and uh 1.00
00:27:59.200 also if you screw with them like they 1.00
00:28:01.280 can just leak you your
00:28:02.720 uh blackmail
00:28:04.400 uh you know all their
00:28:07.300 all their rich
00:28:08.640 they're all too far in at this
00:28:11.360 point like yeah they've all been like tempted in and participate in the rituals that like
00:28:16.880 reified their participation and like a lot of them consented to video of themselves like
00:28:23.500 taken doing all manner of stuff you know it's alleged now that like uh someone out there has
00:28:33.760 video of like trump and bill clinton having sex with each other which is like an insane
00:28:40.380 is that confirmed is that real uh one several of the emails that have like leaked seem to suggest
00:28:51.280 that however that could be a lie that could be like uh an inside joke that like uh actually
00:28:58.440 there was like something else that they refer to as trump blowing bubba you know uh which 0.99
00:29:06.680 You know, like, the plain reading of that is Donald Trump performed oral sex on Bill Clinton. 0.97
00:29:13.480 However, there are, like, you know, it might be a reference to, like, an infamously, like, lost game of golf or, like, you know, they both had, like, relations with, like, the same, like, underage girl in an order of events. 0.93
00:29:36.680 or it could refer to, like, a business relation or whatnot.
00:29:39.620 Like, it could be a metaphor for, like, a lot of stuff.
00:29:42.020 But the plain reading, like, if we assume they're just, like, that it's just, like, there isn't a, like, another level of it.
00:29:52.100 The plain reading is that, and that would, like, actually fit, like, the, both those characters being, like, very deeply tied into that network.
00:30:06.560 and, like, neither of them acting against the interests of who we assume was behind the Epstein Network,
00:30:14.900 which is America's number one ally.
00:30:17.920 But, like, if you look at the Epstein Network, like, that is a very good example of an insurgent criminal network,
00:30:29.660 you know, basically a guerrilla movement, you know, kidnapping, sex trafficking American girls,
00:30:35.280 and, like, murdering, involved with at least a few murders that I've seen alleged, alleged, you know,
00:30:47.460 as an extension of, like, a intel service, but with profound moral cohesion and that,
00:30:57.040 and profound, like, moral enforcement on their, the people involved with them, their supporters,
00:31:03.920 their network uh everyone who has information on them is like part of this enforced moral order
00:31:12.460 of like silence and complicity and like uh business relations that uh you know theoretically
00:31:21.380 that like uh you know they aren't all being down by like naked force you know uh epstein didn't
00:31:31.240 have like dozens of guys all standing next to them with with uh pistols you know threatening
00:31:39.200 to shoot them if they if they didn't uh keep up the shroud but like they were all compromised they
00:31:45.840 were all they all like consented into this moral order you know the ones who were resistant 0.62
00:31:52.200 resistant either like said no way and left and like didn't get get anything on them you know a
00:32:00.320 few who like pro frank like prominently were killed or allegedly were killed and uh you know
00:32:08.560 some of the ones who are resistant or were trying to like like you know uh baby toe their way in
00:32:15.760 uh they were like they were like quietly compromised in several ways and they couldn't
00:32:22.240 help but be drawn in you know like a prison gang or whatnot you know allegedly uh this is
00:32:28.500 why these like organizations tend to go through uh uh lots of like lsd and other things that like
00:32:36.260 that like uh you know you get dosed with lsd secretly uh behind your your back and next thing
00:32:43.860 you know you wake up next to like like someone a decade under the age of consent and like your
00:32:51.920 videos played back to you that you don't remember but now you're you're compromised and they don't
00:32:57.320 they don't need someone with a pistol standing next to you that video is is in their archives
00:33:02.980 and you're going to do what they say uh yeah well like that's an example of like a very coherent
00:33:09.840 moral order that is very effective on the moral level uh as insurgency that like lines up not at
00:33:17.960 all with what we think of as morality uh uh the uh the catholic church like uh the alleged or
00:33:26.920 now it's like basically confirmed by all the trials but like the uh blackmail and like
00:33:33.880 homosexual networks within the catholic church the pederast networks uh they had like some of
00:33:41.540 the most intense internal moral coherence of like any networks on earth you know they covered up for
00:33:49.020 each other for decades and decades on ends across like dozens of countries yeah uh well there is
00:33:56.040 school where there is understanding same with epstein of like we're better off under our own
00:34:02.880 code you know we're better like we're all better off if nobody breaks and you know we're not
00:34:09.540 answerable to anyone you know we need to handle this in-house kind of deal and yeah that that's
00:34:17.000 all true like this is when i say moral i'm not necessarily meaning like the absolute moral law
00:34:22.600 of like of god or the natural law that like here has yeah well this is one of the things where like
00:34:28.260 michael collins uh he's the one who uh innovated uh the irish code of silence that like held like
00:34:36.800 still holds throughout most of ireland that like uh anyone ratting on the ira to the police like
00:34:47.000 if it was like even like a neighbor woman or something you know someone uninvolved that
00:34:53.500 anyone ratting for any reason automatic death penalty uh and they would like go about and 1.00
00:34:59.980 enforce it and like this was actually the majority of the killings in like both both
00:35:06.060 ireland in northern ireland was like seasoned ira assassins like killing random people who
00:35:15.460 informed to the cops and like viciously enforcing this uh no ratting code and because of that uh
00:35:24.940 you know this is the most effective insurgency probably in human human history in terms of
00:35:31.840 reach and sophistication and like uh you know ira men are still getting like pensions from the
00:35:38.900 british government uh in accord with the good friday agreement like uh yeah they were very very
00:35:45.740 successful whereas and you just and the thing the reason i'm like really belaboring the point
00:35:53.240 is because uh this is like like we're saying moral or morale or morality
00:36:01.340 and and this is the opposite of what like many people would naively think of as morality so like
00:36:14.380 uh uh the William Butler Yeats in his poem the second coming uh expresses the sentiment of like
00:36:24.860 every uh movement conservative in history and every like conservative voter in history uh the
00:36:32.600 famous line oh the best lack all conviction will the worst are full of passion and intensity it's
00:36:39.060 like and uh they think that like morality is tied up in this like like dithering and lack of
00:36:47.420 conviction and like uh this preening over like am i really doing the right thing am i really doing
00:36:54.220 the right thing you know doubting uh the morality of their action god is this really right am i
00:37:01.680 really called on to do this how do i know i'm not the monster and all all that whereas it's like
00:37:08.920 no no no um morality as a factor morale as a factor is about not doing that it's about
00:37:16.600 about certain the worst full of passion intensity it's about like what's it's about being and
00:37:22.260 enforcing uh certainty and like coherence and like uh in a lot of ways like giving yourself
00:37:33.780 over to like the alien logic of the conflict itself and the institutions themselves you know
00:37:41.380 Because if you think of these rules as like war gods, like these perverse war gods who are like incentivizing this behavior, it's like, yeah, yeah, they do give absolute power to whoever like gives himself over to like that logic most fully.
00:38:11.380 and that's where like uh i really wanted to belabor the point that's like no there is like
00:38:20.640 a very intense like abstract ethical system at play and it is tied up it is an ethical system
00:38:29.860 and it is like this like social ethics and it is a a moral system of a sort but like uh
00:38:39.760 what what is actually being enforced is often like the most twisted evil thing in terms of like
00:38:48.360 the absolute morality that people like uh feel in their heart of hearts and whatnot and that like
00:38:55.020 it's important to recognize that it's like no the coherence of like the ethical system
00:39:01.680 is this thing outside of that uh the british royal navy executed 12 year olds for falling asleep
00:39:10.360 and that's why they were the most effective uh uh institution in human history is because if a
00:39:18.880 12 year old midship and fell asleep at his watch he could be he the sentence for that was being
00:39:25.480 hanged automatically they were making exceptions and because they weren't weren't making exceptions
00:39:33.200 no matter how monstrous that made seem to us that made their institution incredibly powerful
00:39:37.980 and the yeah i mean in that case like i i would i would just i would just say that most of what's
00:39:48.700 like actually necessary in warfare like that people consider unethical is just a it's just
00:39:55.180 their own incoherence in how they think about ethics um so like the example of the 12 year
00:40:02.200 old midshipman it's like well the question is not whether you can hang a midshipman for
00:40:06.360 dereliction of duty the question is you know can 12 year olds be midshipman if they can
00:40:13.420 be midshipman then they can be hanged for dereliction of duty so it's like the category
00:40:18.520 every midshipman that's the thing in question you know whether or not you can put a 12 year
00:40:24.200 old into it it's a cultural consideration same as the age of consent for anything else
00:40:28.420 you know can they buy alcohol can they consent to sex can they whatever like well that's always
00:40:33.580 been content historical i've always wanted to kneel someone that this is like an example of
00:40:40.380 the failure of
00:40:42.180 Jesus' leadership
00:40:44.080 that Peter and 0.94
00:40:46.260 the apostles felt they could
00:40:48.320 fall asleep in the Garden of Gethsemane.
00:40:51.060 That's like...
00:40:52.100 That's like
00:40:54.300 they didn't fear they'd be hanged for that.
00:40:57.660 Well, he wasn't
00:40:58.340 exactly running a military operation.
00:41:03.100 Sell your cloaks and
00:41:04.300 buy its sword, and yet he's not
00:41:05.900 hanging them for...
00:41:07.220 That's true, he didn't.
00:41:08.140 uh but there's got a sleep other watch some training period between buying a sword and
00:41:14.540 getting hung for uh obviously but um just to finish real quickly what i was saying about
00:41:21.620 the west cork brigade and the ira like with regard to morale is that they were very conscientious
00:41:26.960 about who they killed and didn't kill they did kill informers and they did kill um they did kill
00:41:34.700 british soldiers and policemen and but at the beginning they were trying to abide by the laws
00:41:39.740 of gentlemanly warfare and like they wouldn't even kill british soldiers and policemen when
00:41:44.740 they were off duty like if they took their uniform off and went to the pub and they were off
00:41:48.320 off hours like they wouldn't kill them and they stuck to that for the british brigades that
00:41:54.920 behaved themselves by those same rules but for like the essex regiment and the black and tans who 0.93
00:42:01.180 you know were terrorizing the irish countryside they started killing those guys when they were 0.67
00:42:07.560 off duty and and they also stopped accepting their surrenders because they had uh the essex
00:42:13.480 regiment in particular had done like a fake surrender at the battle of uh of uh kill michael
00:42:19.260 and uh like the iris totally destroyed them in the battle to kill michael and then they they
00:42:23.880 surrendered and then they killed some of them when they uh when they came closer to like take
00:42:28.460 their weapons they killed a couple of them those are the only only uh casualties that the irish
00:42:33.520 took at that battle and so after that they were like no more surrender for you guys because you 0.98
00:42:38.340 fucking you violated the code so like now we're gonna but they were very they were very like we're 0.97
00:42:43.260 gonna follow the code and as a result like they had perfect moral clarity about that they were 0.99
00:42:49.040 on the right side and that like for example the bishop of cork issued this you know incredibly 0.90
00:42:57.760 retarded um decree saying well you know you can't be ambushing british soldiers and and policemen 0.92
00:43:05.160 this is murder you're going to be excommunicated you're ipso facto excommunicated and you know of 0.95
00:43:10.680 course this is totally contrary to the entire like the church's whole scholastic tradition of just
00:43:16.760 war and of course an irish theologian a refutation of him but tom brady was or tom barry was able to
00:43:23.520 go to his regiment and say hey if anybody has a problem with this you're free to leave we won't
00:43:28.580 treat you as a deserter and not a single person left like they all just were like no we're good
00:43:33.800 we're going to ignore the bishop because they knew that they were doing the right thing because they
00:43:38.240 were following their code now you can agree with their code or disagree with it but they were they
00:43:44.580 were staying completely coherent and because of that they had unbelievable unit cohesion which
00:43:49.480 led them to be extremely effective militarily and extremely effective with regard to dealing
00:43:54.520 with both the british and the local population and it actually changed the behavior of the british
00:43:59.340 troops in that like the british troops who were well behaved got better behaved and even the
00:44:05.020 british troops who were poorly behaved got better behaved because they saw like okay well they
00:44:08.800 started burning for example they started burning ira people's homes and they would burn they were
00:44:12.920 like okay you're going to burn ira homes for every home you're going to burn we're going to burn two
00:44:17.260 loyalist homes and so they would respond tit for tat in an aggressive escalation and there was a
00:44:24.560 coherence to it that made sense to everybody and i think when i'm talking about morality i mean like
00:44:34.480 when you don't have clarity then
00:44:38.600 what happens is when you're at the moment of decision you can waffle
00:44:44.040 like is this within my guidelines whatever your guidelines are whether they're internal external
00:44:51.240 whatever you need to figure out well ahead of time and if you're the leader you have to set those and
00:44:58.500 they have to be extremely clear and they have to be extremely ironclad and maybe they're the
00:45:02.460 guidelines of mal or maybe they're the guidelines of you know natural law just war theory or maybe
00:45:08.880 they're the guidelines of like you know democracy or nothing you know whatever they are it's like
00:45:15.260 you that's what has to guide your action because once you step outside of that now your troops get
00:45:20.940 demoralized by getting confused like oh what are we fighting you know what i mean
00:45:26.420 i i need to have you back uh i want to do uh my earlier project from last year around the same
00:45:36.860 time my earlier mega project uh the warlords reading list the uh first part of it uh is
00:45:47.020 the ethos section and one of my projects i want to do for the podcast just go through and read uh
00:45:53.500 the the like uh short primary documents of like the the first four entries on it
00:46:03.100 on that are very short uh the royal navy articles of war uh the american revolutionary primary
00:46:12.260 documents so the uh the declaration of independence and the articles of confederation
00:46:18.360 are both very short uh the ira green book which is also very short and the uh uh scarback and
00:46:29.460 leeson's uh not social world of the in social order of the underworld that's the book length
00:46:35.900 version but they have a uh shorter essay i can't remember the specific title title of it but uh
00:46:44.640 i want to do it might be one episode it might be two depending on how long it takes
00:46:50.860 uh the um but i want to go through and like read those in full and commentate
00:46:57.320 on them and say
00:46:59.500 and kind of unpack
00:47:01.720 why these are such effective
00:47:03.520 documents. In the case of
00:47:05.900 the primary sources, in the case of the article
00:47:08.060 go through why the
00:47:10.140 constitutions of prison
00:47:11.880 gangs are so effective.
00:47:16.400 And like
00:47:16.720 Draw and Connect. It might be one episode, it might be two
00:47:20.060 but I'd love to have you back for that.
00:47:22.380 And like really go into the
00:47:23.620 reality of it.
00:47:25.000 a lot of thought to
00:47:26.160 and intend to get more thought to.
00:47:29.020 Are you familiar with this guy Varg Freeborn?
00:47:33.160 Varg?
00:47:34.380 Oh, uh,
00:47:36.260 uh,
00:47:37.480 my Meech won't.
00:47:38.880 Actually, he's not my Meech anymore. I think he unfollowed me.
00:47:41.820 Uh, the, the,
00:47:42.920 the murder
00:47:44.820 heavy metal guy from, uh, Sweden.
00:47:47.760 No.
00:47:48.800 He's, uh, he's an American. 1.00
00:47:51.180 Oh, I ignore all that 0.98
00:47:53.300 then. I'm thinking Varg 1.00
00:47:54.840 the kernes oh okay no no varg freeborn is an american guy he he's uh he's uh the author of
00:48:04.360 violence of mind and beyond uda he was in prison for five years for stabbing a guy a bunch of times 0.79
00:48:11.120 it was totally justified stabbing it's a crazy story that he actually all all vargs have been
00:48:15.700 to prison every single varg there's no varg it hasn't been if you are bar if your name is varg
00:48:22.620 and you have not been to prison uh i have some disappointing news about what you're going to be
00:48:28.280 doing in your 30s and 40s dude but uh but yeah every vark sorry to all the vargs out there that
00:48:35.300 might be listening to this bad news um yeah so he has these two books uh violence of mine and
00:48:42.240 beyond uda and they're both about like so so he's he's got this unique perspective because he was
00:48:47.720 raised in a criminal family and he's very very familiar with violence a lot of violence growing
00:48:53.320 up goes to jail at 19 for stabbing a guy in self-defense but they said oh it's too violent
00:48:58.800 it's actually you'd enjoy it because i know you have like a lot of stuff about knife fighting he
00:49:02.940 was pointing out one of his points is like a knife is not a good tool for self-defense because your
00:49:08.120 average person like prosecutor jury whatever does not understand how many knife step like how many
00:49:15.800 times you have to stab somebody to get them to stop and so it's like you know the police are
00:49:21.480 never going to come to your house and find you like covered in blood you know standing over a
00:49:25.980 guy with 17 stab wounds and be like all right you're free to go like because it's self-defense
00:49:31.640 whereas you could shoot a guy several times and like if if all the facts line up and it looks like
00:49:36.500 you're in the right you know you might you might be good to go you might not get charged um but
00:49:42.540 this is also the case where a lot of americans who insist on like 45 acp versus nine millimeter
00:49:51.220 parabellum 45 acp is fewer gunshots at trial for like the same magazine like you mag dump with like
00:50:02.480 a seven round uh 1911 it's like oh you shot him seven times if you have like a 19 round uh
00:50:12.000 nine millimeter you shot him almost 20 times that's a good point one of the like
00:50:20.860 self-defense things that i'm like that's actually like probably matters you way more than like uh
00:50:28.160 that people don't discuss yeah it was something i hadn't thought about but but when as soon as
00:50:36.540 he said it i was like oh shit that that actually does seem like it would matter a lot so
00:50:41.180 anyway he's got a lot of good stuff about violence but his um what i'm saying is you 0.97
00:50:47.620 should carry a 410 revolver shotgun in a pistol profile yeah the judge the 410 the little 410
00:50:57.440 pistol shotgun um yeah so he he's got this book about like basically like how you have to have
00:51:04.440 your orientation locked in and like have already decided ahead of time like what you're willing to
00:51:10.900 kind of like you had a post like i don't know probably a couple years ago now about you should
00:51:18.580 be thinking about violence like you should be thinking about how violence is used against you
00:51:23.540 you should be thinking about the violence that lies behind everything that's done to you by the
00:51:28.000 state you should be thinking about the violence that's done to you casually throughout the sort
00:51:32.760 of things that we're subjected to in everyday life if you live in a major u.s city which thank god i
00:51:37.080 you're not but um in in what are you willing to use violence for like both practically morally
00:51:44.920 whatever the case may be for you and he's very much in that wavelength like everybody thinks
00:51:50.620 like oh i'm gonna do x y and z and it's like yeah probably not you actually haven't thought
00:51:54.900 it through you need to actually go through the exercise and if possible do like force on force
00:51:59.420 training where you you actually exercise the faculty of deciding to use the violence and
00:52:08.380 you have clear boundaries about what you will and won't do because if you don't have those
00:52:13.500 clear boundaries already set up then there's some fuzziness and ambiguity at the time of
00:52:18.000 when action is required and you know uncertainty is the biggest uncertainty is the death of the
00:52:25.720 fighter so when you're fighting the last thing you want is uncertainty and that's why it bothers me
00:52:31.700 when people will be like well you know it doesn't matter about the morality and it's like actually
00:52:35.200 it does because how however much you may want to posture and be a badass and whatever like you
00:52:42.140 don't have any morality anymore i'm a nietzschean or whatever like you're actually a rational animal
00:52:48.180 which means you're a moral animal and you have some idea about what you're for and you have some
00:52:55.260 idea about what you should and shouldn't do necessarily because you think that some things
00:53:00.520 are better than others like you have some capacity for judgment and if you just glibly wave that off 0.94
00:53:08.000 and don't address it then when the time comes when it's time to actually do shit and the time
00:53:13.860 you know god willing will come then you're not gonna you're gonna you're gonna be trying to
00:53:21.480 answer that problem way too late like while stuff's already happening you don't want to be
00:53:27.080 answering that in the middle of things and that's kind of that's that's sort of the there's a lot
00:53:32.920 more to his books but that's i would say the biggest takeaway that i got from them is don't 0.95
00:53:39.820 be so casual and glib about assuming that you already have your shit worked out you know like
00:53:46.680 be very serious about figuring out what you're going to do yes and this is this is one of the 0.94
00:53:55.760 things where uh a lot of americans especially because um focusing on like the thing with uh
00:54:04.360 weapons a lot of americans especially uh do not appreciate the purpose of um a lot of traditional
00:54:13.000 like uh melee and other weapons because they're they have such ready access to like profound
00:54:21.500 overkill weapons so like uh so like when you have an ar-15 or like you have five like most americans
00:54:30.900 do or like you can every day carry a uh a like uh
00:54:38.100 you can every day carry like a desert eagle a lot of americans don't don't think of like
00:54:48.880 oh what was the point of brass knuckles again what what was the point of like uh
00:54:55.080 having like a baseball bat with like uh some barbed wire wrapped around it what was the point
00:55:01.340 of what was the point of all these like weapons that the mafia used in spite of the fact that
00:55:08.600 the mafia like clearly had access to firearms and like clearly had the money that they could just
00:55:14.120 like order the same guns out of soldier of fortune magazine they that everyone else could order in
00:55:20.940 like the 70s well the point of it is that like if you like cripple someone and like inflict
00:55:30.560 catastrophic brain damage on them but they're alive that's a that's a different charge
00:55:37.640 than if you kill them you know and basically uh a body is always the greatest witness
00:55:48.880 and like a person is always the worst you know uh the second if like someone like breaks into your 0.98
00:55:58.680 house or like assaults your daughter or all kinds of things screws your car
00:56:08.180 if they if you wound them they have to go on the witness stand and say what they were doing and
00:56:20.080 why they were there and speak a coherent sentence about uh what happened if like you're going to be 0.93
00:56:28.360 charged if you kill them all of a sudden they're they're an angel you know they are the greatest
00:56:35.820 they're the greatest witness of all time uh uh this is the you know they're they're pure being 0.96
00:56:46.640 of forensics and wound ballistics and in dna and they can say nothing that will discredit them
00:56:56.920 You know, this is, you know, this is, like, even, even, like, profoundly innocent people, like, profoundly moral and upstanding people have, like, screwed up the case against, like, guilty as sin people, people who, like, should have gone to prison forever, forever.
00:57:22.380 but it's like oh that like 17 year old girl who was raped uh broke down crying and like said
00:57:29.380 something that could be interpreted one way instead of the other on the witness stand under
00:57:34.300 cross-examination and so the jury hanged you know uh you know she said oh i couldn't tell
00:57:42.860 if it was that black guy or that black guy are you sure are you sure you could tell it was dark
00:57:47.860 goes dark goes dark well i'm not sure i'm jury whereas like 0.60
00:57:52.500 whereas like to be fair it's hard to identify black people in the dark yeah whereas of course
00:58:00.900 like if instead of like suffering a concussion she's suffered a fatal brain embolism she can't 0.83
00:58:08.860 discredit herself on the on the witness stand you know she's a perfect angel that was cut down by
00:58:15.200 this monster you know uh every wound is going to be examined perfectly forensically uh all dna
00:58:23.380 evidence is like not he said she said but like 100 uh the assailants uh you know you can
00:58:34.380 fingerprint a body you can't fingerprint a live person you know uh you you know wounds wounds
00:58:43.760 heal on a living person uh on a body they're like perfect evidence you can do like bite mark
00:58:49.580 analysis and stuff like uh well like the difference between like someone who's horribly injured
00:58:58.600 injured and someone who dies like uh might be the same force it's the biggest difference in
00:59:07.440 the world in terms of like whether the cops will even bother investigating it because they like
00:59:15.200 can't deal with it or there's no forensics or like you know you can't perform an autopsy on a living
00:59:20.300 person and all a good very good point and and this is why the mafia like had all this like
00:59:33.600 emphasis on all this like and all these insanely specific ways of uh inflicting
00:59:42.540 lots of damage very reliably and like protecting themselves from like
00:59:48.320 their opponent while beating them with like a baseball bat or like a brass knuckles or whatever
00:59:56.220 or um you know half the great mafia movies are just about like different intimidation tactics
01:00:03.600 yeah mafia head that wouldn't produce a body uh takashi takano's outrage amazing movie
01:00:11.020 uh the entire film is basically like uh all these gangsters coming up with new and horrifying ways
01:00:18.040 to like maim each other without like actually producing a body until the end at which point
01:00:25.340 like one faction wins and they just purge the others but uh but like uh it's an amazing movie
01:00:32.360 Takeshi Katano's Outrage Trilogy is like one of my favorites but uh the thing is Americans
01:00:39.020 like uh you're all the time from like um American right-wingers and whatnot it's like
01:00:45.540 oh yeah but if you do anything uh they'll you know they'll the cops and everything will come
01:00:52.460 after you look they'll let these guys do this but if you do anything they'll put you away for life
01:00:57.180 and it's like well yeah because what they're doing is is non-lethal and like just imposing
01:01:05.300 massive costs most of the time whereas what you're proposing doing to stop and stop them
01:01:11.340 produces a body you know uh we tend to yeah the the availability of lethal force i do think has
01:01:20.860 kind of decreased
01:01:23.120 Americans awareness
01:01:24.420 and ability to wield
01:01:26.880 non-lethal force
01:01:28.140 and that is a
01:01:30.920 big weakness like you see a lot of people
01:01:32.880 who are like you know
01:01:34.660 fat 0.93
01:01:38.160 and like out of shape and old 0.72
01:01:40.680 and it's like I don't need to work I don't need to do
01:01:42.760 combat sports or I don't need to work out
01:01:44.580 I've got my Glock or whatever and it's like
01:01:46.740 yeah man
01:01:48.680 there's a lot of I mean it depends where
01:01:50.700 you live here too like state by state is dramatically different like where i live
01:01:54.880 you know there's stand your ground castle law there's no duty to retreat so there's really 0.97
01:02:01.440 good self-defense even the italian gangsters were all fat and miserable like uh right yeah you have 1.00
01:02:08.020 like tony soprano gabagoo looking motherfuckers you know grabbing young guys and like concussing 0.99
01:02:16.840 them into the hospital with like brass knuckles and stuff because like uh like even like really 0.98
01:02:23.920 relatively simple melee bludgeons like if you have the elements surprise it really doesn't matter
01:02:29.860 like the fitness variables right assuming you're not so morbidly obese you can never surprise any
01:02:36.920 anyone you know the tuba plays when you walk along uh yeah you're not necessarily going head
01:02:43.060 on head if you're good with your ambush tactics then it doesn't matter but like my point being
01:02:47.160 like a lot of people don't study any of that because they're like well i've got a gun and
01:02:50.600 it's like yeah well you know a lot of times a gun is not necessarily the appropriate response
01:02:55.180 or even if it is like in our minds the appropriate response it's like well the rest of society
01:03:01.100 doesn't necessarily think that so you're you know better off you can't you can't just shock and
01:03:09.940 Even in the 18th century, you couldn't just shock and blast a guy that you didn't like looking at your daughter.
01:03:21.020 You know, you could beat him with a riding crop.
01:03:26.880 You'd do a lot to him, and then it was like, well, he says, he says.
01:03:31.120 but uh but like uh yeah americans get themselves in this position where it's like
01:03:41.140 i can either dump 30 rounds into them or i can do nothing and like uh almost all like effective um
01:03:52.700 like military institutions and martial institutions in history have had like an entire
01:03:58.700 spectrum of options they could use even the royal navy which would like hang you for falling asleep
01:04:04.180 or like simply slapping an officer uh they had other options you know if you just failed to salute
01:04:12.800 uh you you could simply be flogged you know they had a full spectrum of options yeah like
01:04:20.160 they and even if it was like well we could put you to death but we're gonna be kind and instead
01:04:24.780 we're gonna flog you 40 times and then you're gonna you're gonna live on bread and water for
01:04:28.640 40 days which like actually you could get an infection die from that but i was like
01:04:36.720 80 percent of the time he'll survive yeah that's crazy i apologize i totally derailed you from the
01:04:45.420 actual the article with my with my i spurred that a little bit on like a little bit of just 0.57
01:04:52.840 war theory which is inspired by somebody commenting a retarded thing on one of my articles 0.62
01:04:57.720 yesterday or the day before 0.90
01:04:59.380 which says
01:05:01.200 I'll just hold you here an hour longer
01:05:03.960 to go over the actual article
01:05:06.100 yeah
01:05:07.560 sorry I derailed
01:05:09.320 but anyway
01:05:12.320 Hactical
01:05:13.900 Espionage Dollar Store
01:05:16.080 Hobo
01:05:16.660 I'm so proud of that title
01:05:18.740 it's a great title
01:05:19.940 it's a fun title I saw it and I was like
01:05:24.020 you know what that's good
01:05:25.840 yes i my my love of well the promo video uh you listeners at home i am including the video in the
01:05:38.660 show notes might even play right in your podcast player in the show notes but uh
01:05:43.940 the the promo video
01:05:47.740 uh if you get all the references you can pretty much see everything
01:05:53.880 thing that's going to be in the article uh obviously i am heavily inspired by like
01:05:59.760 metal gear solid and and lots of other stuff from like that area of like pop culture and video games
01:06:08.160 i think hideo kojima has like basically successfully predicted the entire future
01:06:15.940 of modern warfare and like everything else it's just us working backwards to like
01:06:21.320 see how he predicted the future.
01:06:25.680 You know, right down to the drones.
01:06:28.320 You know, he had the Cyphers and Meliarsol 2
01:06:32.580 are basically quadcopter drones,
01:06:34.720 but they aren't quadcopters.
01:06:36.380 But they're the exact same size
01:06:37.740 and have a camera and a weapon,
01:06:40.320 even though you imagine them firing guns,
01:06:42.700 not kamikazzing.
01:06:44.780 and and i i think his like vision of what a soldier is uh has like largely come true like uh
01:07:00.700 have you read the accounts of like uh the ukraine battlefield like what actual soldiers are doing
01:07:08.580 on the front like what actual infantry soldiers are doing i've read some um i've read most recently
01:07:16.600 i read the uh i read some by that's one uh well i guess he hasn't actually gone out there yet but
01:07:24.520 that uh hexing cart tote deck or tote the the uh the neo-nazi guy that he's got some good breakdowns
01:07:31.780 on a variety of things one of which i think i found it if you read you restack something he
01:07:36.540 put on substack which is like a good analysis but uh yeah the short answer is yeah i've seen some
01:07:42.040 it seems to be like world war one except way lower troop density plus mostly drones
01:07:49.500 and so a little bit of armor so the actual soldiers on the ukrainian battlefield
01:07:57.280 like uh what a a rotation to the front looks like like if you're actually going to the front
01:08:03.500 uh if you're doing assault it's like a little different uh like you were doing an assault uh
01:08:09.580 you you got to build up and like stage and like plan it but uh like if you're just going to the
01:08:16.360 trench you're actually getting dropped off from your vehicle a lot of times like 30 kilometers back
01:08:22.700 and what you have to do then is you have to like insert to the front trench line
01:08:30.540 uh like trying to dodge the drone cover and like trying to be like really stealthy controlling
01:08:39.260 your electronic missions controlling your visibility like uh basically metal gear solid
01:08:44.920 three you're doing metal gear solid three you know you're doing a snake eater insertion like
01:08:50.540 crawling along the trenches and stuff like uh keep your eyes peeled because uh drones and
01:08:58.880 everything else are out there looking for you there's a sniper you know somewhere out there
01:09:04.060 that's like looking to find someone like you you know it's all out out there uh mines are everywhere
01:09:11.320 uh there's booby traps and stuff but basically the last like 10 to 30 kilometers uh if you aren't
01:09:21.700 doing like a motorcycle assault are being done on foot uh hiking it out through through the
01:09:28.700 fields and like the tree lines and stuff to get to get to the trenches and you have to like do it
01:09:36.560 in a certain amount of time because uh basically uh during the daytime at night they do have um
01:09:45.440 ir and night vision which is like spooky but it's relatively scarce it's expensive
01:09:51.480 whereas in daytime like uh fpv drones everything is out there looking for you the time that they
01:09:58.320 really like to do it is uh sunset and sunrise because that both myth it's both low visibility
01:10:05.020 like uh it's very hard for cameras to pick up a sunset and sunrise if you ever shot a video
01:10:11.260 uh like tried to shoot a film or uh or something with like dramatic lighting you you quickly
01:10:19.720 realize that you can't just shoot what you want to shoot at the time of day you want to shoot it
01:10:25.380 actually like is kind of tamra spaz out at sunrise sunset and all that but uh so they time it at
01:10:34.500 sunrise sunset to uh for when the night vision and the ir is spazzing out and like they might get
01:10:43.920 get the sun on the rise and completely frying frying it and the ordinary cameras on like the
01:10:51.700 cheap fpv drones disposable ones also can't can hardly pick anything out that you want to insert
01:10:59.680 so far during that time and then like maybe the last bit better the starting bit like under cover
01:11:04.820 of darkness but uh they're doing these snake eater type insertions insertions between like
01:11:11.320 hide sites to get to the front and then fpv teams will be sending it send the other drones like
01:11:20.780 deep into the enemy lines or uh you know snipers will be uh doing their scouting and maintaining
01:11:28.340 uh visual lines lines which uh a lot of people think snipering snipers have become like
01:11:34.840 obsolete this cannot be farther from the case because uh they they right now are the only like
01:11:42.580 unit like a guy in a ghillie suit that can like maintain consistent observation
01:11:48.240 of an area like visually uh on the modern battlefield like our vehicles are going to be
01:11:54.760 like picked off like crazy uh uh any like large unit is going to get like pounder picked off so
01:12:04.500 like the guy in the ghillie suit um you know depending on the conditions very little might
01:12:09.560 come in range of that rifle but using that scope to like see out and see what's actually happening
01:12:15.420 and like that little radio to call an artillery and it's actually like if anything increased in
01:12:20.800 in relevance but it's amazing because this is exactly what Hideo Kojima predicted you know
01:12:29.020 these one two-man sneaking operations sometimes it is even like one guy you know one guy is
01:12:35.820 relieving so he relieving another guy so he has to insert you know 10 to 30 kilometers 0.99
01:12:44.060 and every soldier assaults snake now which is horrifying because you're out there fucking alone 0.67
01:12:49.660 and like like you're one person against like the the storm of technological nightmares that the
01:12:57.280 modern battlefield has but it's also i find deeply fascinating because it's like uh something that
01:13:04.260 actually to the to most my listeners uh should be like actually kind of familiar kind of like
01:13:13.340 intuitively makes sense that it's like oh yeah you're crawling along the ditch ditches and you're
01:13:19.120 like sneaking in through this like dangerous environment and like trying desperately not
01:13:27.160 to step on a landmine mine and then like uh once you get there get there it's not it's not
01:13:36.360 obviously it's not call of duty aren't shooting it's manipulating all these different gadgets
01:13:43.240 to understand your environment and to, like, deploy these systems.
01:13:49.360 Like, even the, like, anti-tank missile systems and whatnot,
01:13:55.620 it's kind of like a strategic little mini-game
01:13:59.140 to try and, like, get those set up at an angle
01:14:04.680 where, like, you could possibly use them
01:14:07.340 and then, like, duck in and out of cover
01:14:10.400 to, like, maintain awareness.
01:14:14.040 It's shockingly what Hideo Kojima predicted in his gameplay loop
01:14:20.020 in, like, the Null Your Salt games.
01:14:24.800 And a big part of this Dollar Store Hobo series
01:14:30.640 is, like, translating a lot of those lessons
01:14:33.720 to a completely different battle space,
01:14:38.640 which is the modern urban espionage bowel space.
01:14:42.760 What we saw with, like, Luigi Mangione
01:14:45.340 and his assassination of Brian Thompson,
01:14:50.080 the UnitedHealthcare CEO.
01:14:53.300 And, like, the amazing thing about the Mangione case
01:14:58.480 was he, almost all the traditional forensic stuff,
01:15:02.300 he got 100% correct.
01:15:03.840 You know, he used a homemade handgun that could never be ballistically traced.
01:15:15.400 He wore a mask, he wore gloves, he did everything right.
01:15:20.800 He had no financial records.
01:15:22.920 He somehow found a hostel that he could pay for with cash in NYC, which I didn't think existed.
01:15:30.720 uh that like they didn't need id he he also had like fake ids and and all these uh
01:15:37.960 distractions whatnot yet his exertion insertion and exfiltre his infiltration and exfiltration
01:15:46.440 were like profoundly lacking and they're actually able to just like in the camera net of nyc
01:15:52.740 like track how he he got out and almost certainly AI was used but the thing is with the AI is that
01:16:03.240 like most AI surveillance is actually like consistently less effective than if you just
01:16:11.020 have like a a like competent human who could go through the video camera feeds manually
01:16:19.540 in a time efficient manner which like obviously doesn't actually work because almost all police
01:16:26.100 departments uh their facial recognition units the actual people they have behind the desks
01:16:31.500 that's where they like shove their diversity hires so like they're all they're almost all
01:16:36.840 incredibly lazy and incompetent but uh so that's why like actually employing machine ai 0.67
01:16:46.300 that's like less reliable than like a competent investigator but more reliable than an incompetent 0.51
01:16:52.880 investigator is actually like a great upgrade but the thing is like all the tactics that we see
01:17:00.220 on the ukrainian battle space do have their analogy in like a modern urban espionage space
01:17:07.580 like the distances involved are like very comparable you know how far can an individual
01:17:14.920 travel in like a reasonable amount of time to like like be inserting from like far back where
01:17:23.900 a vehicle isn't gonna be picked off because a because vehicles on the ukrainian battle space
01:17:30.140 are like drone magnets but on the modern battle space on the urban espionage battle space are like
01:17:38.100 easily trackable information leak machines. You know, your car is basically a cell phone that's
01:17:47.260 leaking everything about you. It's listening to you. Every car is bugged. The same microphone
01:17:56.860 that you can talk hands-free to your mom when she calls you while you're driving,
01:18:04.160 uh that same microphone is listening to every single conversation that ever happens in that car
01:18:10.580 like you cannot have a private conversation in your car you actually have to stay out of the car
01:18:15.880 car with uh your buddy if you want to have a private conversation you gotta leave the cell
01:18:21.320 phones in the car car that uh if you're in the car you're being listened to but like um
01:18:28.900 so this is a question about like the digital offset part like um so two questions here this
01:18:37.220 did occur to me like when it came to vehicles like number one what's the year cut off when like
01:18:43.620 vehicles go digital or like they have the ability to track versus the ones that are too old to have
01:18:49.140 that ability that's my first question so go ahead if your car has on star which was around in 2012
01:18:56.840 you're being tracked
01:18:58.340 well I'm poor
01:19:01.300 so I don't have any cars from
01:19:03.240 that young
01:19:04.260 like
01:19:07.340 the other thing
01:19:09.720 is like if you're on
01:19:11.600 like oh that'll
01:19:13.620 get you on the list if you're on like
01:19:15.420 any list at all or you think
01:19:17.700 there's any chance at all that like
01:19:19.640 you're posting history or like
01:19:21.860 something else
01:19:22.940 has like
01:19:26.280 garnered attention a your vehicle is also leaking because automatic license plate readers are
01:19:32.180 everywhere and the police are just maintaining like records of like where your license plate
01:19:38.240 like pings out and i'm also certain that like those are probably also checking like make
01:19:46.620 make and model so i think they can probably some percentage of the time pick up uh
01:19:54.240 oh that's a honda civic you know from car shape and whatnot so gray honda civic and they can
01:20:02.540 probably during the daytime at least uh pretty accurately guess the exact uh paint job so it's
01:20:14.000 like well it's a honda civic of like the matte gray variety and you know might even be able to
01:20:21.760 generate a year from that and that's like immediately cutting you down from like
01:20:26.160 three million people in your metro area to like 800 800 to or not 800 you know a few thousand
01:20:37.000 like that's that's a huge cut down but uh the other thing is like if the cops are like
01:20:44.600 an intel agency or like you're jealous x or anything if anyone at any point decided i want
01:20:52.320 to attach an airtight to that car um you know that's like several months that they had the
01:21:00.440 precise gps location of the vehicle like basically at all times you know your your perfect 1980
01:21:08.560 toyota hilux you know that itself went through the toyota wars and stuff stuff and like it doesn't
01:21:18.960 even have an aux cable you know you ripped out the sound system and whatnot one jealous ex puts
01:21:26.240 an air tag on there or uh one like suspicious cop that's leaking gps location as well that doesn't
01:21:36.100 mean that like you give up and like oh yeah i'm gonna run my cell phone at all time who cares
01:21:41.980 like all this information silos uh i can guarantee you like uh there might be like two or three guys
01:21:50.800 who can, in the NSA, who can correlate, like, all the automatic license plate reader, all the
01:21:57.860 AirTags, all the OnStar, like, all the information leak, you know, there might be one company that
01:22:05.700 can do that. Maybe, maybe Planteer can, like, get five or six of them and is, like, working on
01:22:11.800 on the other 20 forms of information leak. You know, they can, they can correlate, they can
01:22:18.460 track the uh the sim triangulation of like the onstar but not the uh but not the dodge system
01:22:28.280 or not uh the the toyota drive app or whatever but uh but all that's leaking so this is where
01:22:38.540 Or, like, what you actually want to do if you're considering, you know, committing crime or resisting the communist regime that takes over when, like, Mecca Stalin comes back.
01:22:58.440 or like the the red dawn north koreans take over america without resistance is you want to
01:23:07.520 park your car after inserting to like within 50 kiloneers or like some travelable amount of
01:23:15.060 distance distance of your target and then insert the rest of the way like by a bicycle skateboard
01:23:23.420 a non-car vehicle you know and
01:23:29.640 you know potentially a motorcycle if it's like one that's like not registered to you
01:23:39.820 well as soon as it's registered it has a lot of the disadvantages of a car mind you motorcycles
01:23:44.940 vehicles are better than cars for this. But once you've, once you've, once you have a
01:23:55.100 registry attached to the vehicle, you want to be off it. And if it's like trally on major
01:24:00.440 roadways and like going, going through automatic license plate readers and like caranet systems,
01:24:08.040 you want to be aware that it's like very visibly trackable for those systems. So what
01:24:14.780 you want to do is you want to park get out of the vehicle and like do a depending on what you're
01:24:23.960 doing uh you know if you're just like there's tons of like activity that's like not immediately
01:24:34.940 like uh doesn't attract a lot of heat but it's like okay you do an hour-long insertion you know
01:24:41.700 you just don't want your car like parked within five miles of the place okay you get out you you
01:24:48.680 walk or skateboard the rest rest of the way then you do it back and it's like you burn three hours
01:24:54.640 you know for a small small thing you know petty vandalism or whatnot like you just don't want it
01:25:03.000 immediately traceable whereas like for something major you you want to insert like uh 30 to 50
01:25:09.860 kilometers and like get it like 12 to 16 hours or more you know if you're assassinating the
01:25:17.480 president you'd want to do like a 15 day long circuitous thing to do it because they're going
01:25:23.700 to desiccate absolutely everything to you and you know the smartest data engineers in the world are
01:25:29.200 going to be trying to solve who you are and how you did it but uh but what the reason you're doing
01:25:36.440 this right is because despite the fact that um you know they're they're tracking your vehicle
01:25:44.940 and they're they have ai camera surveillance nets and all this information is leaking uh even the
01:25:54.440 ring cameras like uh the home household cameras that people put out for like porch pirates and
01:26:01.580 whatnot if the video is stored other than like a hard drive that's wired to that camera if it's
01:26:09.600 like a software as a service type thing where it's going to a server on that on that camera company's
01:26:16.860 servers all that video video that's stored is like immediately sold off to like third-party
01:26:26.160 data brokers and like is sold to the nsa and stuff and the police have like very documented 1.00
01:26:33.420 back doors and all all that if you install a ring camera on your house like you're an idiot who's 0.99
01:26:39.520 like giving the nsa immediate surveillance of all your comings and goings from your house 0.99
01:26:44.540 but uh the but the reason you're doing this like extended exertion insertion and exfiltration is
01:26:54.400 you're radically increasing the data set of people that they have to check check against
01:27:01.200 uh from the moment of contact so like uh the red dawn north koreans have invaded america has fallen
01:27:10.360 to commune communism uh king jong-un is uh is a god emperor of america and you're like the last
01:27:20.020 resistance to him and you decide you're gonna fight to the last for trick justice in the american
01:27:26.900 way and you're gonna like you're going to assassinate uh a like governor of the of the
01:27:39.580 pong kyongyang occupational army of like your state right you're like you're the you're the
01:27:49.560 American like uh equivalent of the Czechoslovaks who like took out Reinhard Heydrich you're gonna
01:27:56.360 get this guy guy what you're doing by doing this long infiltration where you're like getting out 0.87
01:28:05.140 of your car like 50 kilometers away then switching to a bicycle then parking the bicycle then
01:28:11.940 continuing on on foot from there and like changing a costume and whatnot is at the moment of contact
01:28:20.520 when like you quick toss a grenade into this guy's car as he's like driving away from the
01:28:29.220 governor's mansion to like go beat kittens uh uh when that when his car blows up because you toss
01:28:39.120 a grenade in it and he dies the first thing they're going to do in the investigation is
01:28:44.800 they're going to look at all the cameras on the angle of of where his car blew up and they're going
01:28:51.640 to probably maybe depending on the situation see you throwing the grenade or they're going to
01:29:01.740 have to go out further and they're going to see all the people who were who moved into the area
01:29:08.240 where his car was uh where someone threw the grenade in and they're going to try to identify
01:29:14.580 everyone around him right so they're going to have like one suspect or they're going to have a set of
01:29:20.840 like 20 to 30 suspects in this area and if you're like really sneaky and you like hit in a quarter
01:29:27.400 for like three or four hours you know it might be a set of like 400 right but in that set of forum
01:29:36.880 let's say one to 400 who like could plausibly have thrown your grenade then they have to track that
01:29:44.600 person to find who it was so let's say they got you you yourself throwing the grenade into like
01:29:50.620 uh governor kim jong into uh regional military governor yang's uh motorcade uh they see you
01:30:04.780 they have like your body you're wearing a mask but they can can see your body they the cameras
01:30:12.220 aren't good they don't have like retinal scans basically no no police surveillance camera isn't
01:30:18.360 like 12k or more that they can like pick out a retinal skin scanner and whatnot you don't have
01:30:25.580 to worry about that but they know yay high uh they know your height they know vaguely the clothes
01:30:32.880 that you're wearing and they can they can see your gait analysis they can like see the fingerprint
01:30:38.440 of how you're walking at them moment and they know what your clothing looks like so they know exactly
01:30:46.420 how you're dressed what they have what the ai they're employing them has to do because even
01:30:54.000 their messiers like if you're extracting like 50 kilometers their messiers cannot manually
01:31:00.200 like go okay walked across this camera at this time okay go to all like 30 cameras around it
01:31:06.920 like within that time and watch it all they can't manually like track you camera camera to camera
01:31:13.100 even with software it would just take take too long they employ ai to do that and what the ai is
01:31:18.800 doing is it's comparing the data
01:31:21.780 the data set of all these and it's trying to do that
01:31:27.300 that brute forcing it across uh menu checking all this within its limiting computing power
01:31:36.360 which is slightly worse than an actual human doing it but also with some probability of
01:31:43.720 failure camera camera to camera so so you're walking you're running and then walking away
01:31:50.920 from where you've just assassinated military governor yang and you go by like 13 cameras
01:31:57.380 cameras within like the first three or four blocks and the ai does successfully track you
01:32:04.560 the first 13 cameras it has like a 99 success rate of tracking you camera to camera and they
01:32:11.920 have a good camera coverage this is like manhattan uh they have police cameras everywhere
01:32:17.320 but you aren't going three blocks you're going 50 kilometers and that one percent failure rate
01:32:25.080 to like catch you again that adds up if you're going across hundreds of camera cameras and
01:32:33.080 because it's 50 kilometers it's now that takes like eight hours there's 70 to like a large
01:32:45.040 metro area like potentially a million moving people and the thing is what you're going to do
01:32:50.500 is you're going to take paths like uh bicycle paths nature paths etc where the camera network
01:32:58.240 is going to get weak and because you're parking 50 kilometers away where you parked is like probably
01:33:04.040 outside the metro area or it's like at the extreme opposite end so as you go you're going to be going
01:33:11.420 through, like, industrial areas, residential neighborhoods.
01:33:19.500 A lot of places where the camera net breaks up are the systems,
01:33:22.800 like those ring cameras are actually siloed differently
01:33:26.180 than the police surveillance net.
01:33:29.540 So the AI can't necessarily draw from both at once.
01:33:35.760 Or if it can, there's bugs with it.
01:33:38.500 And what's going to happen?
01:33:39.780 and what's going to happen is uh especially if you like stop and kill time like dead spots
01:33:48.000 is there's going to be other people who are like vaguely the same height or dress vaguely
01:33:55.300 similarly that especially as the lighting changes throughout the day are going to trick up the
01:34:02.260 camera and it's going to start falling then them it's going to generate like so many false positive
01:34:07.100 start generating false
01:34:08.980 positives just randomly through the noise.
01:34:12.280 And
01:34:13.020 it has to now track
01:34:14.700 them, like tens
01:34:16.620 and dozens of cameras,
01:34:18.840 and eventually you just burn out the competing power
01:34:21.040 of it.
01:34:22.520 On the exfil,
01:34:25.040 so this is something I was
01:34:27.020 wondering.
01:34:29.400 I think
01:34:30.620 Luigi
01:34:32.960 changed
01:34:34.920 clothes
01:34:35.700 in central park i think and i think it didn't help him because he didn't wait long enough and
01:34:42.100 you know yeah pretty trivial but like what in general just as a general question let's say
01:34:49.680 you know in this hypothetical scenario where you're resisting you know the red dawn north
01:34:54.240 koreans um and you do something naughty uh if when you're ex-building do you think it's
01:35:04.680 more advantageous to change your clothes sooner like close after the after contact or like
01:35:14.080 closer to when you reach your your exfil point
01:35:17.720 so um the time when it's going to be most advantageous to change clothing
01:35:24.780 which is a good question because like this is actually like
01:35:28.320 like uh caution changes are scarce resource you can only do it like a few times especially if like
01:35:35.460 like the weather is bad like you're going to carry like more than two like cold weather coats
01:35:43.480 or you aren't going to like be able to fit like multiple sets of pants and your equipment in a
01:35:49.620 backpack or you aren't going to be able to fit like multiple bait backpacks within your own
01:35:55.040 backpack and have room for something something else so like a camera a costume change is like
01:36:01.800 a scarce resource that does actually have to be strategically timed and my answer is that you want
01:36:09.560 to time it for when um the risk of false positives for the camera net is at its highest so like uh
01:36:21.100 let's say you're insertion you're going this like 30 kilometer insertion by a bicycle and foot
01:36:29.740 and your actual travel time is only like two and a half hours because you're using a bicycle
01:36:37.880 but what you planned because you want to budget like more time you don't want to be like luigi
01:36:43.060 where the entire thing takes 20 minutes and so even though you go into central park in a camera
01:36:48.220 dead zone and you change out of your clothes into another outfit they pick you up anyway because
01:36:55.940 you're the only person who walked out of central park wearing a mask within like 10 minutes of the
01:37:02.900 assailant going into central park uh what you want to do is you want to time your your caution
01:37:10.260 change for uh dead time and when there's lots of other people who could be false positives
01:37:16.520 so like uh so like uh if you were say in so like louis g's timing of the costume change in central
01:37:29.760 park would have been perfect and incredible if he had stayed in there like four hours or um if
01:37:36.460 you're in like a large crowd like if you're like at rush hour and like uh you you were in a camera
01:37:48.240 dead zone and you like ducked into a washroom that would be a good time to change your clothes
01:37:53.780 and then just like stay in there an hour and because it's like rush hour in like the vicinity
01:38:01.240 of like a mall or down downtown 70 000 people have moved through there there without uh the
01:38:09.900 camera net seeing you it generated so many false positives and then you come out at the end of
01:38:17.820 the alley hour or two hours in different clothing it doesn't pick up you you're less probable than
01:38:25.700 like the 50 false positives it generated you just slip right right by you want to maximize it
01:38:33.340 you want to time the caution change generally for like the maximal amount of noise
01:38:41.480 and the alternative is like maximal vulnerability or opportunity so like uh
01:38:49.980 So, like, you tend to get, like, bonus costume changes in probably towards the start and end of an exfiltration because your outfit doesn't have to last, like, an entire exfiltration then.
01:39:13.780 So, like, this is where the tactical flip-flops come in.
01:39:16.500 Oh, no, that might...
01:39:18.500 so so in let's so like uh you can if you're going to be getting in your car within two
01:39:27.000 kilometers it's very easy to to switch into flip-flops so that the footwear doesn't match
01:39:33.500 up when you re-enter your car car and that like you know you wouldn't that wouldn't be a primary
01:39:40.420 caution change at like the height of a mission or that wouldn't be uh but like that would be
01:39:46.580 you know a bonus costume change you could squeeze in because you don't need your footwear to last
01:39:52.320 50 kilometers at that point gotcha so another um so another question that kind of comes off
01:39:59.800 the back of that is like so if you're in a lower density area like you know some of us theoretical
01:40:06.680 peasants um who live in lower density areas like even the cities near where we live are are much
01:40:15.060 lower density than let's say like mankind you know like new york city is going to be obviously
01:40:21.100 like one of the most surveilled places on the planet and you know cities in the midwest or like
01:40:27.340 like the pacific northwest or the south or whatever they're going to have surveillance but
01:40:32.220 you know they're not as dense they're not uh you'd be surprised at how dense automatic license plates
01:40:40.200 readers are
01:40:41.220 throughout the U.S.
01:40:43.520 The U.S. is at the cutting edge of this, but
01:40:46.220 like
01:40:46.500 little metro areas of like
01:40:50.320 little
01:40:52.420 outside the U.S.
01:40:54.100 This will sound huge, but like
01:40:55.620 small metro areas of like 100,000
01:40:58.100 in like
01:40:58.800 Indiana or like Iowa
01:41:01.640 the cops
01:41:04.180 have their own like automatic license
01:41:06.020 plate reader system that is tracking
01:41:07.880 everyone because
01:41:09.400 american cities are worse phones yeah but uh vehicle wise yeah i 100 and i just meant like
01:41:18.960 in terms of lower population density i assume that you would also expect like there's just
01:41:23.520 going to be a smaller camera net like a less dense camera net in a lot of those yeah so like
01:41:28.880 the real challenge with like low population density areas is uh because the population
01:41:36.680 density is lower the false positive rate is much lower as well so like uh so like
01:41:44.080 um most ai surveillance like tracking can differentiate like um i've seen up to a million
01:41:53.200 people like 10 million if like you're right in front of the camera but like most security cameras
01:41:59.020 like especially outdoors mountain mounted high like can only differentiate like 70,000-ish
01:42:08.100 at the clearest point in the day like that plummets in bad weather at night uh with like
01:42:15.340 baggy or like face covering clothing uh during like a sunset or depending on how the light is
01:42:24.600 hitting it during like sunrise sunset and like that that red glow that really messes with with
01:42:31.760 cameras it can really fry it right um but if you're in like a town of 10,000 and that that camera
01:42:47.400 you know can differentiate it's dropped down to 20,000 it can differentiate it can differentiate
01:42:52.940 every single person in that town right like if a camera can dip if an ai can differentiate just
01:43:01.760 11 000 but you're in a town of 2 000 you know it can differentiate and track every individual
01:43:07.740 that town or at least every individual that walks in front of the camera so how do you defeat that
01:43:14.660 how do you defeat a low population area like uh like if you want to assassinate the governor and
01:43:22.500 the red dawn north korean governor and he'll he is high his mansion is located in a town of 800
01:43:33.220 how do you defeat that and the answer is you have to increase the data set
01:43:38.120 to to the point where the false positives matter again you have to increase the data set to the
01:43:45.180 size that you can hide in it so like uh and ultimately you can always do this because
01:43:50.800 there's 8 billion people on planet earth and no ai system can differentiate 8 billion people
01:43:56.900 like uh even like the airport like biometrics and stuff i saw that like cap out around like
01:44:04.680 50 million that's like you actually staring into the camera so it can see your
01:44:09.600 like the details of your cornea uh but the thing is you have to actually increase the data set
01:44:17.320 to that size. So like, let's say, heaven help you, you live in the same town as the governor,
01:44:25.000 that same town of 800, and you want to take out the governor. How do you do that? You know,
01:44:30.520 you're, you're 800 people and the AI surveillance net can differentiate 10,000, 10,000. How do you
01:44:40.400 do that? And the answer is, well, you have to increase that data set size. So like,
01:44:44.920 you're going to have to like leave town
01:44:49.240 town probably for like
01:44:52.040 a month and then like start
01:44:56.480 landing your infiltration back through from a distance
01:45:00.880 that the data set has increased to like a million people or so
01:45:04.280 so like to go across town 0.98
01:45:08.960 to kill the Red Dawn North Korean governor 0.98
01:45:11.920 you have to go outside of town for like for like several long weeks weeks and then 0.68
01:45:24.040 or like even move outside of side of town and then do a long infiltration like starting at
01:45:33.740 the extreme outs outskirts like several hundred like again like 50 to 100 kilometers away that
01:45:42.920 like within that circle is like a large metro area with like hundreds of thousands of people
01:45:48.880 and then you infiltrate again it might actually be convenient to avoid the camera camera net
01:45:55.880 doing this because like you know if he lives on that i would just be like living in a rural area
01:46:01.320 i think that the the hat well number one like you would obviously you would wear face coverings
01:46:08.960 and baggy clothes so it's like there's really at that point if you do that correctly
01:46:13.480 particularly like you're saying at certain times of the day or night uh not not really because like
01:46:23.420 so the the red dawn north korean governor he has cameras inside his mansion right 0.81
01:46:29.820 And because you're living in a totalitarian, post-North Trig America, there's cameras in the town, right? 0.65
01:46:39.080 Right. 0.91
01:46:40.880 Gate analysis isn't good.
01:46:43.440 Their ability to identify people uniquely by the length of their strides and footsteps and just hide alone isn't that great.
01:46:53.760 But if you live in the same town as the governor and you have to go to that grocery store in town and the town has a population of 800, that camera outside the grocery store is picking up your gate at least well enough to differentiate 800 people. 0.90
01:47:10.240 So when you break into the governor's mansion, that same camera net that extends inside the governor's mansion because the governor is like smart, he's a smart red Don North Korean, it will recognize the gate from that. 0.81
01:47:27.360 And I can guarantee you the North Korean NSA is going to like correlate those two data sets. 0.97
01:47:34.760 So this would assume like, yeah.
01:47:39.160 but they were in order for that a hundred percent that makes sense in order for that to work for
01:47:43.800 this north korean government though they would need for you to actually be close enough to the
01:47:51.120 camera to like get to actually get picked up by like the cameras inside of his house so
01:47:56.800 so a couple of things what that comes to mind one is from this uh there's a couple questions i want
01:48:02.840 to ask you about this other p i don't know if did you read uh did you read the piece on getting away
01:48:06.640 with it by that
01:48:07.800 same guy referenced before the
01:48:10.600 it's like three 1.00
01:48:12.540 names of this stupid blog. It's Hexen Karthodek 1.00
01:48:14.880 Iconoclast and the
01:48:16.600 guy's name
01:48:17.220 No I haven't
01:48:20.120 read this one
01:48:21.440 So he wrote one about getting away with it
01:48:24.700 right after the Tyler Robinson thing
01:48:26.480 It's kind of like your Luigi Man
01:48:28.240 Oh he wrote his own getting away with it
01:48:29.720 Link me that and I will
01:48:32.560 put it in the show notes. This is not my
01:48:34.600 getting away with it on Luigi Man
01:48:36.360 this is another getting away with it yeah yeah so well before I referenced yours what the question
01:48:43.660 I'm going to ask is piggybacking on his so I'll link it I'll send it to you in a second
01:48:48.480 so he mentioned like one of the things that you can do is to just bring a cell jammer with you
01:48:58.900 and because most video cameras are no longer cctv you know they're normally they're now
01:49:07.060 hide the internet if their internet's disrupted then they're not going to be taking video anymore
01:49:14.100 and so because the jammer is going to work within i forget it was like 20 or 30 meters
01:49:19.440 like yeah you'll still get picked up by stuff that's further out but all the basically all
01:49:24.940 of cameras that are closer that are going to get good quality video of you are going to cut out if
01:49:29.740 you've got the jammer i i wouldn't trust that because uh basically any technologically advanced
01:49:38.560 opponent advanced any opponent or like good camera company like the obvious workaround to that is
01:49:48.340 just including like a 128 megabyte or like like an insanely cheap uh internal memory system
01:50:00.600 that if it loses internet connection it just records locally until it regains connection
01:50:07.300 can send it out which like i i bought a uh a micro sd card recently that was like 20 bucks
01:50:16.680 and stored like 64 gigs so like uh you walking in front of the camera while running a
01:50:23.560 a jammer i i don't think if that does work that's like the easiest problem to resolve and my
01:50:32.560 suspicion is that like most ring cameras and stuff probably have like enough internal memory
01:50:38.660 to just a small storage like cover if if wi-fi goes out yeah now if wi-fi goes out more
01:50:47.980 permanently those small storages like fill up pretty quickly like video actually does
01:50:53.900 uh devour memory like uh and the way you get around the fact that video devours memory
01:51:01.800 is uh you know you lower the busy video quality or you change the codexes or you lose information
01:51:08.740 and and that is like you know a victory in itself so if like the internet goes down for an extended
01:51:18.180 period of time uh you know that will take out these like uh surveillance as a service cameras
01:51:26.860 like pretty quickly like i doubt most of them could last like 24 hours or like
01:51:33.940 without like recording over themselves but uh but like if they have any internal memory at all
01:51:43.660 like you running a jammer jammer and then walking in front of it it's like oh it was jammed for like
01:51:51.780 five minutes that you know storing five minutes of video is like
01:52:00.740 not hard and it's like you know that might actually work on like some current systems
01:52:08.120 you know that might actually be good advice that does work depending on the the region but that
01:52:14.620 advice is going to stop working and like this is uh it's not going to work with everything
01:52:20.100 level of the camera yeah and this is uh actually the cutting edge of modern warfare is uh how to
01:52:29.340 technologically get over jamming so uh this is the actual use of ai in joe in drones is uh
01:52:39.260 they want to be able to like program in uh a planned like a flight plan or like uh
01:52:48.860 rules engagement to a drone so that like uh the actual goal of like the ai drone swarm
01:52:56.460 is not to have like fully autonomous uh uh vehicles that uh
01:53:04.020 never have an operator i don't think that's like really ever going to happen just based on like
01:53:10.920 the logistics of like how many drones can be deployed in ukraine and how like they burn
01:53:18.000 through them and still operating then what i suspect is going to happen is uh is that
01:53:24.960 ai is going to be used for like terminal guidance for drones so like a drone gets jammed uh as it's
01:53:33.720 about to as it's seen a tank and the operator like can no longer communicate with it well the drone
01:53:40.840 just going to default to attack in the tank and use ai for like the terminal guidance or uh you
01:53:48.860 know drone is surveilling an area and all of a sudden it gets jammed jammed and it was a recon
01:53:54.840 mission okay it executes like a recon search pattern and like has like some programming that
01:54:01.600 like if it sees anything interesting it can like give it an additional look and then you know
01:54:09.360 returns to to its operator under its own own guidance and then like can give the video of
01:54:19.580 what it recorded uh during its like you know 20 to 40 minute uh recon operation and so the jamming
01:54:28.260 doesn't interrupt it or it only interrupts like the operator's judgment over that time like the
01:54:34.580 information is still recovered and the drone is uh still operational and like uh you know it's
01:54:46.240 like those recon missions are like those just like find and kill missions might get offload
01:54:51.940 to the drone ai but the ai in the drone itself like it's not
01:54:55.640 like uh when it's native to the drone and like can be jammed by the ai itself that's on the drone
01:55:05.900 is going to suck because the drone doesn't have like a gpu on it the drone has like
01:55:12.360 whatever little algorithm can be programmed into the cheapest uh
01:55:16.480 programmed into the cheapest uh uh system that's native to the drone so the actual like
01:55:25.440 recon and uh and turmoil guidance is going to be like very very basic and just like gonna execute
01:55:34.380 like this slightest pattern like pathably well until it can hook back up with an operator
01:55:41.200 that makes sense um so that's yeah that's an interesting note i was wondering about that
01:55:49.380 because i'm not you know i'm not a i'm not a technical guy so i was like well that seems a
01:55:53.960 little bit too true you know like that's probably like the drone swarm idea like uh they say drone
01:56:01.840 swarm and like my my impression is that this is like a marketing gimmick by like the ai companies
01:56:10.360 and like the drone companies to like hype up people outside the military industrial complex
01:56:16.820 and to get like the aging uh senior officers who don't really understand like modern computing
01:56:23.600 and like
01:56:25.160 but like are in charge of procurement
01:56:28.640 to buy in on it
01:56:29.840 because the thing is
01:56:30.880 like the thing is with a drone swarm
01:56:35.840 like the vision of what a drone swarm
01:56:38.220 like you want it to be
01:56:40.040 is that
01:56:41.620 you know you want
01:56:43.520 hyper powerful AI
01:56:45.900 with like all this like
01:56:47.620 crazy AI maneuvers
01:56:49.940 of like super piloting
01:56:51.840 piloting hundreds of drones at once they're all going to like smartly attack a target and it's
01:56:58.960 like well okay all those drones aren't going to have gpus on them so the only way they could like
01:57:04.700 actually get the signal to do like that complex processing and decision making is via a wireless
01:57:12.540 signal and even if they're daisy chaining off each other that's trivial to jam so it's like
01:57:17.800 what happens when they get jammed jammed inevitably uh so you're gonna have like what a
01:57:26.160 a drone operator on like a u.s ship or in a u.s military base sending out a signal to all these
01:57:33.100 drones because and that like ai server uh on the ship or on the base is running all the gpus to run
01:57:41.380 the run the drones or is it going to be like some dumb networked ai that's like oh this basically
01:57:49.000 still depends on an operator and like as soon as you do the logistics of like okay the drone
01:57:56.360 itself needs to be so cheap uh uh the the drone needs to like do these complex missions which
01:58:08.240 require this much judgment like you very quickly get to like okay networking them like to act in
01:58:14.720 tandem that's a good way to lose a lot of assets at once very quickly and also there's no way to
01:58:21.800 actually get the ai to them without like making incredibly expensive drones that aren't like
01:58:29.380 the disposable one-use weapons you need and also like this is this is the big dirty
01:58:36.920 secret with AI and drones is that, like, privates and corporals with VR goggles and, like, choice
01:58:50.800 and, like, gaming controllers, like little Xbox controllers, are not hard to source. Like, those
01:59:01.980 are not a scarce resource you know pro gamers you can get a lot of gamers out within 30 kilometers
01:59:09.540 of the battlefield and they're going to do way better than any uh ai drone swarm and if you have 0.53
01:59:17.900 them on little headsets they can like coordinate really well and they're really fucking good at 0.80
01:59:22.320 this they've been like training at this like their entire young hot lives and like ukraine and russia
01:59:31.340 their bottleneck for drones has been how many drones they could make like ukraine can like
01:59:40.380 make and destroy like 30 000 a month and at no point in that time has the bottleneck ever been
01:59:48.000 oh we ran out of like we ran out of like pro gamers we could have operating the drones it's
01:59:53.800 like no that's not the bottleneck you know getting getting a young 18 year old to use
02:00:01.300 vr goggles and an xbox controller is not the bottleneck you know the bottleneck isn't human
02:00:09.900 decisions and judgment the bottleneck is like producing these things quantitatively and cheaply
02:00:16.980 enough and this is where um like a lot of the drones i've seen proposed are not by the u.s
02:00:24.900 military are like doing the opposite of solving that ball mech where it's like oh these are
02:00:30.660 these autonomous systems uh can land themselves and are like recoverable if they don't find a
02:00:39.560 target and it's like okay you managed to fit a vertical takeoff and landing gear on the it's
02:00:46.940 like launchable flying missile so that i can recharge and take off and fly again okay that
02:00:54.080 that added like ten thousand dollars to the unit cost of something that you're supposed to be
02:00:59.060 producing ten thousand of a month in like a modern con conflict for like no reason
02:01:06.960 yeah i feel like the big downside to the military industrial complex we have is that like everything
02:01:14.180 has to be expensive to support them like the u.s military
02:01:19.280 like yeah the reason i i created the hobo reading list is because like my philosophy of like you
02:01:29.500 know it's not true of the reading list uh i originally said uh you know you should be able
02:01:34.360 to buy it all for like one thousand dollars which you can't buy all for one thousand dollars
02:01:38.900 everything on the list uh maybe if you like really troll craigslist uh or a year you could
02:01:46.900 just barely do it but uh you know two thousand three thousand dollars you could have every
02:01:52.240 thing on the list and like if you include stuff you already have like you can get up to like
02:01:57.020 the complete list like probably under a thousand dollars and and like that philosophy of like
02:02:05.340 no keep it cheap keep it simple keep it disposable uh you know invest in skill not stuff
02:02:14.840 uh is the opposite of u.s multicultural the u.s is in love with exquisite systems
02:02:21.660 uh this is bill buper it's at a chasing ghosts uh term for it that uh you know
02:02:29.560 uh the switchblade costs fifty thousand dollars per per uh switchblade drone that you like fire
02:02:39.680 from a mortar tube it's like like we're america we're gonna make the best it's gonna have like
02:02:46.180 more range and it's going to do all all this it's like yeah but the the this is where america can't
02:02:56.600 make artillery shells for the life of it it's like you're spending a trillion dollars a year on this
02:03:02.600 military and yet you can't out produce russia in artillery shells to feed to ukraine which is what
02:03:09.280 they actually needed because artillery is still basically king of the modern battlefield and
02:03:17.100 and is still the big killer and was a big killer in ukraine
02:03:22.740 the u.s can't produce those artillery shells because the u.s political system is incapable
02:03:30.220 of investing in simple production factories uh politically is incapable of it like that factory
02:03:38.860 in Scranton, Pennsylvania that produces all the artillery shells, the last thing Congress wants to
02:03:45.720 do is give them money to produce more factories like that and to just scale up production because 0.98
02:03:52.100 that doesn't hire any university graduates. That hires just like a bunch of people in Scranton, 0.88
02:03:57.360 Pennsylvania. And what Congress is in the business of is it's in the business of spreading
02:04:05.180 the production of every system across as many states as possible and as many university graduates
02:04:11.840 as possible is sinecure. And that's the only way you can politically do anything in the U.S. system.
02:04:17.300 So as soon as like modern warfare produces this contest to like cheaply produce $500
02:04:26.140 dollar uh like shop craft quadcopter drones as like an augmentation to artillery uh what does
02:04:36.540 the u.s military industrial complex do it comes up with 10 million reasons why you don't want that
02:04:43.720 you don't want that there's no reason you want that you want 10 000 to 50 000 unit drones that
02:04:51.520 have all these advanced systems that you have to pay engineers and university graduates to
02:04:56.720 maintain and produce across 10 states and yeah that was kind of like i don't know that was like
02:05:07.860 the uh something that was kind of like a cultural thing in the
02:05:13.260 in the marine corps that people would talk about is like the other sort of like making fun of the
02:05:20.900 other branches for relying on equipment and i mean to some degree the entire u.s military relies on
02:05:26.920 equipment insofar as like you know we have night vision and the enemy generally doesn't and like
02:05:34.000 we you know we have equipment that they don't have but like in general the marine corps
02:05:37.520 infamously always had like the worst you know equipment the lowest budget it objectively has
02:05:46.180 the lowest budget um and like got hand-me-down equipment and whatever and it was like you know
02:05:51.560 no you focus on personnel and morale and like famously as i think you had that um you know
02:05:59.780 danny danny wolf on um and i read one of his articles he was talking about like the marine
02:06:06.220 corps who's the one branch that has not had a recruiting problem in the u.s military uh because
02:06:12.720 they never change their messaging like the they know they don't chase anybody ever like you got
02:06:18.120 it like it's it's i mean there's been a hundred skits made about this to the point that it's a
02:06:21.980 trope but like you go to recruiting offices and it's like they all want to recruit you and like
02:06:27.000 you go in the marine corps office and like you can't find the guy he's like oh you want to be a 0.98
02:06:32.040 marine okay sure you know fuck off like like you know come back tomorrow at 6 a.m for pt we'll see 0.99
02:06:41.340 you know and they'll like run the shit out of you and you know basically try and prove you 1.00
02:06:47.260 you can't do it so it's like it's a little it's it's it's um a little bit of that same ethos
02:06:53.040 that you're talking about of like trying to make it more about the skills and the ethos of the
02:06:58.860 individual than like the amount of equipment because like the equipment goes away then
02:07:04.680 Well, yeah, I wouldn't object to a focus on kit if, like, the focus was on good kit and basics first.
02:07:17.300 But it's like, you know, the U.S. military will invest in, like, billion-dollar specialized weapon systems.
02:07:30.840 but the thing that like actually would make a big difference on the modern battlefield which is just
02:07:39.480 universally equipping uh suppressors to everyone which like you you know all's all arms up to a
02:07:48.960 certain size can be suppressed and that dramatically like reduces the profile and like
02:07:53.860 you think insurgents are like the enemy if they're reacting to contact or if like that's the only
02:08:02.000 information they have that a firefight is happening like two kilometers away
02:08:08.080 dramatically reducing that footprint is like a big effect you know there's a lot of like
02:08:16.740 afghan and iraqi engagements for like this insurgents would not have been able to find
02:08:24.380 the americans if they had been suppressed and like that noise just wasn't carrying
02:08:29.900 that actual like 500 mirrors to like two kilometers yeah that's uh
02:08:38.100 that's an it that's an interesting point but it's like that's a very
02:08:44.380 modern suppressors are like shockingly over designed because they're like all searching
02:08:52.740 for that like extra decibel that'll make it sound like really cool and like a movie
02:08:56.680 but like the actual like big effect of a suppressor is like just like the first 10
02:09:04.420 decibels it shaves off like that's like giving everyone like crappy 80s style suppressors that
02:09:11.400 costs like 50 bucks would be really cheap it would be a big big upgrade and there's like
02:09:17.700 hundreds of things like this where you know uh campers and like uh hikers and and uh
02:09:27.520 just ordinary like sports adventurers have discovered oh this is a really awesome piece
02:09:34.160 of kit and then like soldiers have to buy their own or like have been going without any
02:09:39.720 anyway like a lot of like really dumb stuff uh hiking trailers do you know what a hiking trailer
02:09:48.400 is uh no not off the top of my head a hiking trailer is like a single wheeled like a trailer 0.69
02:09:57.860 that like ties to your back with a rope but then instead of like carrying like a 30 pound to 70
02:10:05.120 pound ruck uh you can carry like 100 to 150 pounds for about the same amount of effort because like
02:10:14.060 it's resting on a wheel it's like being pulled behind you and uh hikers carry these through the
02:10:20.800 mountains and they look really impressive the design some of them look like really comfortable
02:10:25.980 some of them look like really awkward but like the seems like okay so how how close is it how
02:10:37.240 long is the rope between you and the the designs vary but uh weird that's interesting i'm trying
02:10:46.500 to think when i saw things it is they obviously like do work like people use them you know uh
02:10:53.880 there are versions that you just like hold with your hands and they uh it kind of like works like
02:11:00.340 a sled which the military does use in winter warfare uh but uh the thing that blew me away
02:11:08.800 with it is the military has been like chasing a robot like cow type thing that can haul like
02:11:17.380 infantry equipment for decades i've been seeing like videos of these like robots that are like
02:11:25.240 being tests in afghanistan since like 2012 and yet at no point did they ever invest in like
02:11:31.400 just hiking trailers for their men that's like oh yeah you're like a hundred pound rucksack that
02:11:37.860 you've been like hauling on your back the entire way uh you can carry that on like a little wagon
02:11:46.460 you know like any civilian would do or like or like uh you know my
02:11:53.940 my my ex's mother would do when she goes to the grocery store in the city she had a little wet 1.00
02:12:02.600 a little trailer that she hold with her like on two wheels she's walking down the street and
02:12:07.560 she's load up her groceries and that and yet that's not a standard piece of kit in any military
02:12:13.080 that i know of and it's like uh just harvesting these like simple wins uh no military is interested
02:12:20.980 in that because like there isn't uh you can't appease a special interest group by like hunting
02:12:31.080 down a company that doesn't even know it has military applications and just thinks it's like
02:12:36.160 a niche camping piece of kit that's a good point so before i um before i have to call it quips for
02:12:45.040 the night i did want to ask you about um so one of the other things that the same guy mentioned
02:12:50.760 actually while i'm thinking i haven't linked it to it yet let me find it real quick and link link
02:12:55.040 to it um uh uh let me try to find this um so you point out like hey you just don't want like
02:13:07.400 with regard to vehicles you want to infill from a long ways out from where your vehicle is um and
02:13:19.580 you want to infiltrate from a long ways out and then
02:13:28.820 that way your vehicle's not connected to the point of contact at all
02:13:34.580 he was his his approach to that was um rather than like a
02:13:44.620 effortful infill exfil was just essentially have a burner vehicle which would be like you know
02:13:52.780 not the vin is not attached to you at all so either it's a stolen vehicle or it's a vehicle
02:13:58.020 that like you bought on facebook marketplace from a private individual and never registered
02:14:05.360 so it's not connected to you you know maybe it's got fake plates whatever you know whatever you do
02:14:11.800 to like kind of conceal it but like it has no real connection to you so you like use that vehicle
02:14:16.880 for you know immediately exfil after con you know infill and exfil and then you know move from that
02:14:25.600 from that vehicle wherever it gets stashed to your you know whatever your other vehicle is
02:14:32.940 uh and then go from there and like that way there's a point of separation
02:14:37.080 and i'm curious what that approach so that a hundred percent works um it generally is more
02:14:47.440 useful the smaller the vehicle is and you also don't want to store it at your house you want to
02:14:55.960 store it like a very good distance from you because uh you know if that vehicle gets within
02:15:05.740 like a kilometer of your home um all of a sudden that become if it's partly a kilometer from your
02:15:13.840 house or like heaven help you in your driveway and they start GPS tracking that vehicle all of
02:15:21.500 a sudden they're like well we know where this is or this like greatly winds down the number of
02:15:29.140 people whose vehicle this could be the if it's like on a back street from your house but uh
02:15:35.740 part of the other problem is lay aside because vehicles are giant cell phones
02:15:40.920 are constantly leaking data like they start tracking this vehicle and it's like picking up
02:15:46.780 audio and it uh it picks up your voice which is a unique biometric identifier again false positive
02:15:57.980 liberate it's like they can't differentiate the entire human race but it is like a piece of data
02:16:05.400 it's like it managed to like like bluetooth or sim card handshake your vehicle it's like oh this
02:16:13.760 is the vehicle it is leaking data it has like some connection and we're just going to listen
02:16:19.980 to its microphone which like the nsa can probably do depending on the vehicle uh that might pick up
02:16:27.220 identifying information on you so while that works and like uh you know you have like a
02:16:38.300 a zero registry uh vehicle that you buy off like facebook marketplace your craigs
02:16:46.440 craigslist for cash and then like never switch the bin over to you and like run fake plates on it
02:16:52.620 on it like that would work and done right that like adds up really well but the other thing is
02:17:00.100 you know you you do anything major like you assassinate the uh north korean governor of
02:17:07.720 washington state after the the north the red dawn north greens take over you gotta dispose of that
02:17:16.820 vehicle or you want to like get rid of that vehicle and that's like an asset loss that might
02:17:23.140 be expensive for you you know yeah we're hobos we're broke it's like then every operation you
02:17:31.060 do you've got to basically buy a vehicle for which is several thousand dollars so like yeah
02:17:35.940 which like again small stuff like uh you go and intimidate a guy because uh he refused to pay the
02:17:42.620 protection money or like you don't commit vandalism you probably don't have to switch a vehicle
02:17:46.580 after that they aren't going to be tracking that that that closely but like um yeah that doesn't
02:17:52.660 add up like heat accumulates like you know that's a major major high profile thing so if you're
02:18:00.040 going to do something like that then you have to expect that like most of the power of the
02:18:05.040 government although maybe not like as much as this is where like uh dirt bikes mini bikes like
02:18:12.200 motorized bicycles um uh e-scooters motorized scooters uh uh like powered vehicles that
02:18:23.520 aren't cars and like aren't as expensive as cars like those get very useful this is why i reckon
02:18:30.100 i include uh in the hobo list uh the little chinese uh motorized bicycle kits for 200
02:18:38.740 Like, they're crappy engines, and they aren't, like, very good, and they burn out, like, within, like, the first 5,000 miles.
02:18:51.980 But you have pedal backup, and that's actually disposable.
02:18:59.760 It's so fun.
02:19:01.940 I used to have one of those a long time ago.
02:19:03.940 yeah and those you know are not leaking any info on you uh right there ain't been might be a little
02:19:11.420 loud loud and it's a little obnoxious but those are complete ghost vehicles and like yeah you
02:19:18.240 just pop off the front tire and like shove the whole thing in your car car and then deploy from
02:19:25.340 from somewhere that it's like as compact as a bicycle as well so like uh
02:19:32.580 shake with arrow was was right in the motorcycle diaries that that's the true vehicle of a gorilla
02:19:39.860 uh obviously he wasn't a gorilla at the point where he wrote the motorcycle diaries
02:19:45.620 but uh but like those were good instincts on this part that like the little motorized
02:19:52.060 bicycle not even e-bikes because e-bikes can be like pretty expensive and like you probably don't
02:19:59.320 want to dispose of one of them at the end of it but like you know a $200 bicycle and a two
02:20:05.340 or like a $70 used bicycle and then a $200 motor build kit you know you can dispose of those
02:20:14.400 those like
02:20:16.740 like 15 times
02:20:20.300 I'm like your wallet 1.00
02:20:21.360 if you're a true hobo 1.00
02:20:24.200 that'll hurt your wallet but like 1.00
02:20:26.040 you know it's not a huge barrier
02:20:28.260 yeah that's
02:20:30.360 a good point
02:20:30.940 final question
02:20:34.080 before I have to go
02:20:35.260 there's meaning to ask earlier so like
02:20:38.220 we talked a lot about okay yeah
02:20:40.000 if you were talking about with the car
02:20:42.240 well if you're in
02:20:44.040 a modern car that has bluetooth that's recording you um and of course we know our phones are
02:20:50.280 are recording us and you know that's all true it seems like on paper and it's like the nsa and
02:21:00.300 fbi or whatever like theoretically have that capability um but it like there's they don't
02:21:09.080 have a guy listening to me
02:21:11.000 presumably
02:21:12.940 well maybe me because I've
02:21:15.160 written stuff about violence but your average
02:21:17.280 bear they're probably
02:21:18.980 not even listening I don't think they have enough
02:21:21.060 people but like they literally don't have enough people
02:21:23.240 to listen everything so it's like
02:21:25.180 okay so the question then becomes like
02:21:26.980 if there's no particular
02:21:28.320 they might educate an AI to like
02:21:31.340 track your
02:21:33.000 conversations and then like
02:21:34.880 raising your lowering priority
02:21:36.960 on you
02:21:37.520 you depend depending but like that's you know that's a transcript that's like buried in a
02:21:47.440 in a file somewhere but uh like i suspect there's a class of dissident that they are looking at like
02:21:55.320 fairly closely or like trying to pounce on them when they do something illegal like uh
02:22:02.520 like it's been a trove for a while that like white nationalists get like rolled up for everything
02:22:10.880 and probably the reason like white nationalists can never catch a break despite being smarter than 0.95
02:22:17.360 like other criminals like statistically and like very demonstrably in the sophistication of their 0.90
02:22:24.060 crimes it's probably because the NSA like as soon as they see that you're like Aryan Brotherhood or
02:22:30.400 something or like a group that they hate uh they dedicate like all this backdoor compute power to
02:22:37.460 tracking you and then like when you do something it's very easy for them to generate a hint or help
02:22:44.560 a police department parallel construct uh how you did it so but uh yeah if you like aren't really
02:22:56.500 politically exposed if you don't think they're like tracking you already and like the crime
02:23:02.220 you're committing uh isn't like immediately going to like set off their political hackles that's
02:23:10.400 like we need to get this person uh they probably aren't going to dedicate a lot of resource
02:23:15.480 to this to what you do like uh like the majority of homicides
02:23:21.840 like do not get that many resources dedicated to them or like especially missing persons get
02:23:30.800 like no resources despite like a significant percentage of missing persons actually being
02:23:35.940 homicides it's just no body oh it's a missing person he probably did x or y but uh like as soon
02:23:44.380 as they think like something politically exposed is happening or like a distant student this is a
02:23:50.820 red and down north koreans think that a true american patriot is up to something they're
02:23:56.540 going to dedicate infinite resources to it but uh another reason i guess the other question is like
02:24:03.160 do you think that how how does that scale up and because there's like you know in terms of people
02:24:09.540 like i don't know i mean you obviously have you have a very high profile i i have very little
02:24:15.940 profile other than like you know being a small sub stacker but like so let's say people like me
02:24:21.420 that are just like you know or even people lower profile than me that have never written anything
02:24:26.140 publicly but maybe they've interacted with a lot of stuff on social media where they're like yeah
02:24:30.380 you know i like white identity or whatever that okay so they're in like you know the ai has
02:24:37.340 identified like okay this person interacts with this kind of content and then so there's that
02:24:43.880 side of it and then the other side of it is like well is the target like how important does the
02:24:53.640 target have to be before like that full power of the in it like basically all the work before all
02:24:59.160 the illegal shit comes into play we're like i mean like ultimately it's a probability thing and
02:25:06.340 it's like uh you know you could you could honestly like really screw up like almost everything and 0.96
02:25:14.520 there's still like a one to five percent chance that you're gonna get away with it even if it's
02:25:20.140 like horrifyingly massive just off randomness you know like uh it hasn't happened yet but there is 0.63
02:25:27.700 like there is a scenario where like uh fucking like jar jar banks type character uh like 0.97
02:25:36.140 kills the u.s president and gets away with it just because he locks into succeeding and then 0.97
02:25:42.000 he locks into getting away with it so like uh i guess there's like a sliding scale between like 0.51
02:25:47.640 obviously if you were to kill a head of state that's going to bring down the entire force
02:25:51.880 of every government on you because that's like they can't they can't allow that to go unsolved
02:25:57.160 um versus if you kill a random civilian who nobody like has zero political significance
02:26:05.760 you know they don't really care because they don't that's not what they're worried about
02:26:10.440 but there's all kind of stuff in between there like you know so um let's say like a
02:26:17.000 let's say like a lower circuit court judge who made like a decision that you know a particular
02:26:23.880 faction finds to be particularly odious let's say that like that guy is discovered killed in his
02:26:30.220 driveway but they also took money out of his wallet like how much resources does the state
02:26:35.760 like how many laws is the state willing to break and how how many resources said the operative
02:26:41.980 words always loot the dead bodies of your fallen foes this is this is as true in dungeons and
02:26:48.100 dragons as it is in real life always lit the bodies never never leave cash in the wallet
02:26:53.920 because that's i've thought of that i'm like man if you're gonna in minecraft i promise i've never
02:27:00.480 done anything wicked and i never will um but uh you know always take the wall always take the wall
02:27:08.740 with you but uh maybe that's just my answer but but uh the answer is it's like heavily randomized
02:27:22.980 You know, like a lazy police force will let shocking things get go free and then like solve somehow miraculously solve the other stuff.
02:27:39.520 And it like depends on like which cop you get on the case.
02:27:43.920 Like that's an intense amount of randomness right there.
02:27:47.340 like uh like if you get like the lazy corrupt corrupt cop who just want like uh depending on
02:27:54.460 the copy yet like a cop might pin your crime on someone else and then you're 100 away with it
02:28:01.460 because that cop will fight tooth and nail to keep that uh guilty verdict sticky on the guy he like
02:28:07.720 framed for your crime because he just wanted a you know it off his desk or he like had someone
02:28:15.460 he hated that he wanted to go away but like it's intensely randomized and like it is all
02:28:24.260 sorry go ahead it is a lottery and this is why like i tend to focus on like okay what's like
02:28:32.500 the actual like skill level where you're reducing it down below like 99.9 you're getting away with
02:28:42.480 it because ultimately what you want is you don't want to be like oh yeah this is the bare minimum
02:28:50.440 where i can get to like 90 i'm getting away with that you know 10 is still a lot for something that
02:28:56.460 will like fuck up your life but the other thing is uh uh ultimately if you can do something
02:29:03.360 successfully and do something reliably successfully you want to be able to do it at scale like uh
02:29:09.780 uh i watched the tv show masterminds of the kid not the british game show the canadian true crime
02:29:17.640 series a high school student nearly crippled the nation's economy he was canada's most notorious
02:29:25.400 counterfeiter his notes just exploded across the country it wasn't necessarily the money
02:29:30.980 it was the challenge he was a big player it just mushroomed into so much more
02:29:38.180 There was no way we were ever gonna get caught.
02:29:41.180 We were untouchable, invincible.
02:29:43.180 Find out how we did it, next on Masterminds.
02:30:08.180 It's up on YouTube. And every episode they'd follow some criminal who who use like unique techniques that they'd never seen before and like never really saw again, but like got away with millions of dollars by doing it.
02:30:25.700 It was a great show.
02:30:27.000 20 minutes, like, 20-minute how-done-its.
02:30:33.120 But one of them was a guy who robbed over 50 banks.
02:30:38.220 And what he'd do is he'd just walk into the bank at noon hour when it's busy, wait in line.
02:30:47.840 and when he got to the front of the bank he just take out again quietly put it on the till
02:30:53.600 on the desk person behind him in line wouldn't even know this was happening and hand a note to
02:31:00.700 the teller saying saying basically uh empty the till into this bag bag just a till no funny
02:31:08.720 business she does it he leaves takes like one minute and he's out from like him announcing
02:31:16.320 that he's robbing the place to leaving there are no witnesses just like the teller behind the
02:31:20.940 on the counter and then he like like jog ever so slightly down the street like go into an alley
02:31:29.000 strip out of like workman's clothes into like a suit that he's wearing underneath like he has
02:31:34.480 like full theatrical disguises on like all suddenly the beard comes off and he's turned
02:31:39.760 from like an old man into a young man and stuff like out of the like full mission impossible like
02:31:48.100 theatrical like transformations he was doing doing for five thousand dollars from the till
02:31:55.700 but the thing is he had this down like to such a pace and the thing is he'd fly across the country
02:32:01.700 to do it like in the era when like local police weren't correlating all these robberies and the
02:32:07.940 thing is because it's such a small robbery and like no shots are fired there's only one witness
02:32:13.060 or whatnot it's like under ten thousand dollars mind you under ten thousand dollars in the 80s
02:32:18.360 so like still a fair amount of money a lot of money back then yeah uh he was able to like
02:32:24.600 he carried out like 50 to 100 robberies this way this way and like had entire like tempo of his
02:32:32.660 life around just traveling around performing these robberies and like then transforming with
02:32:38.280 like no witnesses in the era before like widely available you know old crappy film security cameras
02:32:45.520 and stuff you know flying on like paper plane tickets that you had to buy uh buy in the airport
02:32:54.500 well not in the 80s and they only found out this guy existed because of his hubris
02:33:01.280 ah one time in winnipeg manitoba he robbed a bank and then while the police were in the bank
02:33:11.120 the bank investigating this going what he did what oh that's so so odd you know just five thousand
02:33:18.520 dollars so quiet hmm they they got a phone call another bank had been robbed and they read out
02:33:26.260 the number and you look across the street he robbed the bank across the street from the bank
02:33:30.220 he had just robbed while the cops were in there investigating it and still no one had seen anything
02:33:34.900 he was able to do it in like two banks across the street from each other on the same day
02:33:38.780 within like the same hour without getting caught it's like oh wow what a what a great man what a
02:33:46.420 genius it's like yeah but he betrayed the core thing that had protected him now they knew he
02:33:53.100 existed now they knew that it wasn't like like a one-off thing or just like oh a guy really needed
02:33:59.620 five thousand dollars now they knew that like oh this guy is doing this professionally and he's
02:34:05.040 done this long enough to get cocky at it and they start phoning up and they realize
02:34:09.200 he's done this 50 times
02:34:12.860 across the entire country and they're like phony all these like like you know manitoba you know
02:34:23.380 north of um north of wisconsin calling nova scotia east of uh maine uh going hey have you guys ever
02:34:35.980 had a robbery like this oh yeah we had this one actually let me call like buddy he he said there
02:34:42.360 was something like like this yeah and they find five over in nova scotia and all of a sudden they're
02:34:47.760 like oh we need to create a task force on this guy this is the thing you want to change up your
02:34:53.200 method often enough that you're ranking task force task force is dedicated to you like uh
02:35:00.320 once you get a task dedicated that's kind of like that's kind of the beginning yeah but the thing is
02:35:07.020 if you do the same crime the same way i don't care if it's like stealing lollipops from like
02:35:12.560 children if you do that 200 times you're going to get a task force dedicated stopping you
02:35:18.160 yeah you gotta method that's like yeah yeah change it up yeah switch to mars bars
02:35:25.420 inconvenience stores not lolly stop not uh lollipops in candy stores
02:35:31.360 yeah i get a little bit of a little bit of variety um like uh man you don't want a name
02:35:39.500 you don't want to announce that I'm Kira
02:35:41.840 and I'm Justice
02:35:43.060 and you can't catch me
02:35:45.240 that tendency you caught when you
02:35:47.540 have a name and you say
02:35:48.940 you'll never catch me
02:35:50.480 you'll never catch me
02:35:51.460 Zodiac was the exception
02:35:53.440 that's crazy
02:35:56.620 but yeah no
02:36:01.200 ultimately
02:36:01.780 ultimately the greatest
02:36:05.600 crime in history no one knows what it is
02:36:07.920 because
02:36:08.440 no one even noticed it happened
02:36:11.420 you know the greatest
02:36:13.700 the greatest criminal campaign
02:36:15.680 just looks like a series of like
02:36:17.500 random one off crimes you know
02:36:19.560 guy goes from like a hobo
02:36:21.940 to a billionaire and no one even knows
02:36:23.700 he's done it
02:36:24.420 that's a good point
02:36:27.900 presumably the good ones don't get caught
02:36:32.060 yeah
02:36:33.760 if you do it right
02:36:37.260 the only time someone should know you exist
02:36:39.840 is when you finally overthrow the government.
02:36:44.480 Yeah.
02:36:46.460 Then you hire a biographer
02:36:47.960 to tell your life story with advantages
02:36:50.060 as you crown yourself
02:36:51.860 emperor.
02:36:56.420 That sounds about right.
02:36:58.880 And
02:36:59.300 then you
02:37:01.780 reveal to the people of America
02:37:03.700 that it was you who liberated them 1.00
02:37:06.000 from the Red Dawn North Koreans. 1.00
02:37:09.700 Inshallah. 1.00
02:37:17.480 Well, I think that's probably going to do it for me.
02:37:20.000 I got to turn in here. 0.79
02:37:22.660 And may your reign as emperor be even worse than Kim Jong-un's. 0.76
02:37:28.880 You know, God willing, it might be. 0.79
02:37:32.160 i don't know how many people kim jong-un has killed but uh i have a feeling that body count
02:37:40.220 is nowhere near sufficient for what we're going to need to do
02:37:43.060 i'm kidding since i would never know there's a lot of north koreans that's true i actually don't
02:37:52.060 know very much about north korea to be honest i i feel negligent mind you there's fewer than if
02:37:57.740 we didn't have Kim Jong-un
02:37:59.740 so 0.59
02:38:00.400 maybe he was the good guy
02:38:03.660 all along
02:38:04.280 yeah who knows
02:38:06.360 but
02:38:08.180 anyway thank you
02:38:11.680 so much for coming on the podcast
02:38:13.180 and spurting you up to me about
02:38:15.720 topics
02:38:17.840 that I uniquely
02:38:19.540 spurred about
02:38:20.560 I want to have you back for that discussion
02:38:23.820 on ethos and like the
02:38:25.580 the primary texts of effective, uh, military institutions.
02:38:31.160 Yeah, that would be fun. Enjoy that.
02:38:35.220 And yes, uh,
02:38:36.980 I expect to have you back many,
02:38:39.440 many times in the course of the Narconelicon podcast.
02:38:42.480 And you dear listeners, I will include, uh,
02:38:46.760 I will include my getting away with it in the show notes and I will include,
02:38:50.900 uh, the, uh, Hexenheart.
02:38:53.300 haran for comparing contrasts but do check out it's out of paywall i'm linking the promo video
02:39:01.980 which is like really awesome really stylish and the article itself tactical espionage dollar
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02:39:24.040 You listeners out there,
02:39:25.720 stay glorious.
02:39:28.740 That was awesome, dude.
02:39:29.580 Thank you.
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02:39:31.440 I appreciate it.
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